Who's badly bad? Who's madly bad?
Let's get connected, you and me
Let's get connected
It's what we need
Let's get connected
We can put this thing together
Let's get connected
Bring it by
Fill it deeper
Down inside
Let's get connected
We can make the whole world better
What?
Come on!
Nothing gonna stop us if we unify
This is what they gonna make the future buy
Everybody got to get together and do this right
One, two, one, two, three.
Let's get connected.
I can be.
Let's get closer.
Let's get connected.
Let's stay connected.
Every time.
Let's get connected.
This is what they call a microputure by.
Everybody got to go together and do this right.
Nothing but a little bit more than getting out of way.
Wanna take a road and start the game.
Everybody gets together, let's start a little bit of life.
Oh, come on.
Am I connected?
Oh, come on.
Am I connected?
Oh, come on.
Come on.
Let's get connected, let's get connected, let's get connected, let's get connected, I can feel
Let's get closer
Let's get connected
I can feel it's getting closer
Nothing gonna stop us if we unify
This is what we're gonna make the future buy
Everybody got to get together ready to get straight
Nothing gonna make nothing get in our way
We're gonna change the world and start the day
Everybody's looking at us, everybody's looking at us
Let's get connected
Yeah, uh, yeah
Yeah
Stepping in smooth with the shine on me
Oh, crowd, leave when I sigh, don't be
Phenograms, guilt, that's a bye-bye key
Cover this loud, let it talk, don't speak
Got a baseline, walking like it on these streets
One step, sitting like a victory
Sweet, no cap, I'm the spark when I let myself in
No slow pain, make the tendency shake
Yeah, we gon' high
Watch how we shout out
Turn up the volume
I'm the spark in the room when the bass go boom
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah
Step in the G, that's my name
Tripp to Green, and it's all my name
Got a groove so stick, make the downstone train
Can't damn what's built, that's a permanent flame
Hands up, feel the bounce when the kick drum hits
The type of freaks that are cluts go next
Every move locked in like I'm playin' that script
I don't brag, I just walk like the clown goes sim, huh?
Oh, yeah we don't hurt
One time we shot
Turn up the ball
I'm a spark in the room when the bass go
Spark in the drumhead
When the days don't come
Talking about years
When the days don't come
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I did, I'll help just a few
No harm I want to return
This is the day that I must say
But to you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand in a far
Now the distance we sink in, no words we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I can't go on!
Enough! Enough!
Get on with me!
Enough! Enough!
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say
Enough! Enough!
I can't go on!
Enough! Enough!
I can't go on!
Enough! Enough!
Enough, enough
Oh, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just save the life
And I would take your time to know you well
No need to ask, tonight is our first girl friend
Time to leave your stress behind
I like the way you move your thing
I want to see you join some more
Ain't no words that you describe
The feeling that comes over the head
Cause I know I can't stand to dance
While your belly doesn't rest
So baby, tonight won't you get
Get into the groove
It's a perfect kind of night
Can make your dreams come true
So come with me
You wanna live those days behind me
Let this party go
And I'll be at your door
Dance, dance, dance tonight
This night will wake you
Tonight's the night we fall in love
Tonight's the night it is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
This night will wake you
This night we fall in love, tonight tonight is all
Yes, yes, yes, tonight, you'll never stop now
This night we fall in love, you'll never stop now
So baby, tonight won't you get it?
You're the girl, there's a perfect kind of night
To me torturing some truth
So come to me
You won't leave those kids alive
Land is fine, go on
And I
I'm so into you, girl
Feel the groove
Stop the music
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving, I keep on reaching out
You're giving me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your heart some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is all I will get tonight
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is all I will get tonight
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my own reflection on
Knowing I'm all you see
When I'm speaking to you
I want your body and your soul and mind
It's been a long time
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on that sort of emotional night
Keep on deepening the wisdom for the
Let's get out of here
Away, my love and hide
I keep on reaching high, I keep on reaching for the sky
I keep on reaching high
I'm gonna feel good, I'm gonna feel good, I don't know
When music does you help music, music does you help, I don't know
Don't leave a sign in the air
Watch me now
I just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it to you
Don't care about nothin', I just wanna know what you want
Just wanna be with you, just wanna groove with you
Don't care about nothin', I just wanna know what you want
There's nothing to think about and nothing else on my mind
All you really need is just to have you girl
And I like to take it for a ride that you can never forget
All the places that you never seen
Let's have a good time, we can't forget the time we always remember
There's a way, on the way to life
We're all, all, all, all in the world
Wanna stop, but we just get stuck
There's a way, on the way to life
I'm on the way, I'm on the way, in the world
Don't stop us, don't want to get stuck
Don't stop us, we just can't stop
As we are
We're on the way to life
On the way, on the way, we don't wanna
Don't stop us, we don't want to get stuck
Gimme some of that fancy dance, give me some of that highlights
I won't stop and never make no dance
Gimme some of that good stuff
Gimme some of that fancy dance
Gimme some of that highlights
I won't stop and never make no dance
Get me some of that good stuff Get me some of that fancy pants
And it's the madhouse I like
I'm on summer land, make me dance
And it's the madhouse of stuff
And it's the madhouse of fancy grand
And it's the madhouse I like
I'm on summer land, make me dance
Get me some of that good stuff Get me some of that good stuff
Get me some of that high love I want some of that good stuff
Make it dance, make some of that good stuff
Make it some of that dance, make it some of that highlight
Make it some of that make it dance
Make it some of that dance
I feel the fire, move your body close to me, yeah
That I feel the fire, let the music steps begin
I see the world and that's what bring it to me, babe
Move that body, let me give you my all
Yeah, oh, you want to be loved
Let me take you to the other side
Yeah, yeah, I don't feel that fire
Will your body catch the beat?
Yeah
Let me come up there
Let the music sense reign again
I feel the rhythm that you're playing is so fine, all mine
The way your movies got me in ecstasy
Yeah!
Oh no, I can't get enough
When we dance, you know I come alive
Yeah!
I'll be your man
Move your body close to me
Yeah!
I ain't gonna lie
Let the music stress me
Now I feel the fire
Now your body call me
Now I feel the fire
Now the music stands free
Now I feel the fire
Now your body call me
I
A bad bloody time!
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
checks.
I expect a permanent press there Ted. If I see one wrinkle on that shirt I'm gonna be
immensely disappointed. I was specifically told that you like ironing.
Yes sir. I don't mind ironing shirts. Shirts are nice and easy. You buy enough of them,
You know what you're doing, it's quite comforting, but just don't give me any kind of fabric
that sticks to the iron, you know what I mean?
When it like, take the iron away, it's kind of gone wrong, but shirts, easy.
How do you feel about pleated pants?
Uh, it can be tricky to get the pleat right once you've bought pleated plants, plants,
pants, of course.
You'll never get the pleat quite right again, but it's okay.
The worst part is the bottom of the shirt.
Everybody knows this bit curls up.
the time, you've got to really work on that and of course between the buttons.
Do you have any chores that you'd like to do as well?
I'm just happy to tense.
Find the useful for something.
You found his true color?
Yeah.
It's not a place in the world that's what's important when you get up to his age, that
you have some motivation to get out there and be productive in society, you know what
I'm saying?
Something that keeps you going day to day.
Yeah, look at him.
He's happy.
He's thriving.
He's a thriving little guy.
He's living life.
He's an element.
Huh?
What?
Are we live?
We are live.
Why don't I actually remind you about what we're doing here and I'll bring you up to
speed on where we are in Dream League Season 28 because we just finished off our second
day of a group stage action.
We only had a few series on day one, now we have three streams on day two, and today we're
going to have all four streams going on concurrently.
This was a banger.
End of the day with a banger.
Tundra versus Xtreme.
I keep telling people about the damn Tinker being broken and how tanky this hero is that
this game showcased it perfectly.
Spen?
Several points this game Spen is hitting this hero, he does nothing.
All he's doing is questioning his life.
He couldn't even kill Amé in some of those fights.
There's that one clip where they try to kill Amé and Tinker shows up, laser, shield.
This hero is...
All of a sudden it's not just the Tinker who's impossible to kill.
bit. Yeah, they almost lost the game. This was on a knife edge the entire time. Went
to 79 minutes in the end. Another way to look at that, though, is that XG somehow won
this game. Yeah, but they had Tinker. So exactly. Tinker's so powerful they could not throw
this game. I see. I see an optimist way of looking at it and a pessimist way of looking
at it. But Xtrema did end up getting the split against Tundra in that series. First series
of the day though had a liquid versus a Yandex. I don't believe this was this one. Oh yeah,
this was on the mainstream. It was going sicko mode on in poker.
Yandex almost win this game. Not quite. Not quite. It was not called Scythe Grand Trick.
Zero four. Yeah, they didn't look happy. I can't believe that. They didn't look happy.
I thought this team was much better than a zero four. Maybe they'll bounce back for the
rest of the group stage, but can I tell you, can I tell you something? If they win this
I have a perfect 4-0 prediction for that day.
Really?
But they threw this game twice in the same game.
Suspicious.
I would like an inquiry.
They did it just to spite you, actually.
Yes.
I have no doubt production told them, XQ Order 95.
This game was on the Ember Stream, a mouse versus spirit and spirit are not looking good
right now in this dream.
Like they are 1 and 4 or 1 and 3 right now.
Well, they're picking Necro.
Yeah.
What's wrong with that excellent hero?
Based on what, Ted?
What's wrong with Necro?
That just tells me that they're lost.
What's wrong with Necro?
What's good with Necro?
He's a great...
I think he somehow fits very well against many of the heroes that are being run.
We got a lot of tanky boys.
That's my point.
Theoretically, Necro should be good.
I think that the hero is still bad, but that's how you know a team is lost
when they pick a hero like Necro and they're like,
Like, surely this will work.
And maybe it does, but like, it just kinda says that they don't really know what they're doing in the meta right now.
I see.
I think Gakro's pretty good. I also like that hero's good against Largo.
Probably.
Yeah, that'll make sense.
Or he just outheals your damage over time.
I want to tell you something about frogs.
Frogs do not like green men and cloaks.
Mmm.
Every's on this bit right now where you just, everything that frog hates.
Yeah, I was gonna say there is a specific thing you were citing. I don't know the reference there, but just anything
What's the anytime a frog dies anytime Largo dies? Let me tell you something
Rocks do not like swords
Let me tell you don't they don't frogs do not like that's true poison
What's the race relation between frogs and toads that they get along let me tell you something
Yeah, now that you bring it up
They quite like to
The classic children's book, Frog and Toad.
Did you read that one?
Of course I did.
Those were great.
Those formative books.
Those were great.
I went back and re-read those.
And they hold up?
They hold up.
I can imagine you go back and read.
Let's see if they hold up.
There's a lot of subtle themes in there
that I did not catch as a three-year-old.
And they made you the man you are now.
So many life lessons.
So many morals learned.
That was all the gameplay that happened yesterday, Ted.
But some stuff happened outside of the game yesterday.
I'm only looking to talk about that.
Unfortunately, we have to, because our responsibility as journalists, we have to preserve our integrity
and share with the world that there were some roster changes that took place in the wee
hours of the night yesterday.
Roster changes.
We're just making a little roster change here after one day.
Who was that?
Small little tweak.
That was RFK.
That was an RFK voice.
We're making a couple of roster changes.
Why are you doing this?
No, the green group voice is making it onto the broadcast.
Oh no, you can't do that.
This is not a good sign for Dream League.
Only day two.
We're going to take it easy.
For anyone who's not picking up what we're putting down,
Pain Gaming had a modification made where King Parker, formerly wildly regarded as one
of the best mechanically skilled players, but also often regarded as a somewhat difficult
player to work with on occasion.
might say toxic some might say some might say that of a job he's working on
McDonald's drive-thru now the piles of burgers next to him oh I see my angry
customer we don't want to be too mean don't draw anything they're like you know
his head getting cars I'm like no but he's in the McDonald's drive-thru now
that's his job he landed on sweet yeah he lost his job the next day he's
We don't even get it. What's wrong with McDonald's front?
That's what I'm saying.
It's a truly a cash perspective.
Supporting them.
I'm telling you, McDonald's right through does not pay you as much money as being a
do-it-two professional player.
Well, it pays more than being.
You better, you better thank your lucky stars, since you somehow made it into a position
to get a salary to play a video game and to make potentially millions of dollars.
And if you throw it away, you're an idiot.
It does pay more than being unemployed.
That is true.
That's true.
Didn't Sheaver start Penn McDonald's? That's her story of life.
Oh really? Yeah. I never worked at a McDonald's. I had a bunch of just never, never worked at a...
Oh, you were to Posh, of course. No, it wasn't that.
I worked at the English, the Posh English McDonald's, Mickey McDonald's, Mickey McDonald's, Sir Mickey McDonald's, Lord McDonald's.
They're all wearing dress shirts and vests, you know. Welcome to Lord McDonald's, but I'll talk to y'all later.
you with you momentarily sir have us
Humbushes there's sort of an
I don't know what he's called in Ireland
isn't that what he's called McDonald's
right
that would be so much better
sure McDonald's draw you're so on
now if you're curious to why Parker was
and no longer
invited to work on pain gaming maybe
we should take a look at the standings
and see how they're doing so far in this
tournament that may have motivated this
change
they're number one
0 and 4
yikes
mm-hmm
a whole bunch of teams are over 40
Yeah, look at that. Half the table is full.
Everyone on the O-1-4 teams should have kicked one person, in my opinion.
And then all those kicked people form a team?
Yes.
And they become the greatest team of all time.
That's what I think the plan is.
I...
Shit.
They're in good company, yes.
Yacobrother is a bedroom team.
Yandex are all O-1-4 in Group A.
Meanwhile, Aurora Gaming, Liquid, OG, and ParVision.
So far, undefeated, but that will not remain for much longer.
And Group B has Falcons cleanly...
Picking a 4-0 at the top of their group gamer legion North Americans best and brightest though
Oh and for what happened to my boys. I know zero and four like I feel like they have been on the up
It's been a nice climb for them. It's not like they lost a Falcons. They were not one of those
Game religion eight that group be losing game a legion. That would be then NA squad
Oh, for speed gaming speed any come on gap. They've been doing kind of okay
Good for them. Good for them. What is the base? They lost the extracuration. That's not a good sign. It's not a good sign
It's only day two of the group stage though plenty of time to bounce back
Shirley
Who they got today? Do you have any idea? That's a good question. Perhaps. Is there anyone to find out the schedule for?
Does anybody know?
this man answers nobody knows nobody knows oh here we go I can tell you our first match up
this is the earth stream we've got aurora gaming versus yakult then extreme versus
execution yakult versus yandex and then malzah versus execution on the earth
stream so no gamer legion there perhaps on storm stream yes there is after pain
Gaming vs. OG Esports and the debut of Smiling Knight as the stand-in for Parker, we're gonna
have Tundra vs. GamerLation Cap.
No!
Oh no!
No!
0-4!
Now they're matching up against Tundra and Falcon!
Not like Best Gamer Bros. not like this!
No, it's not looking good for them on day number three.
Ambers Dream is going to have Party Vision vs. Liquid to start things off.
And then Falcon's Manos, and Witch Team versus Aurora?
Liquid!
That one?
Who is that?
That's Old Snake from Melvier Solid 4.
That's a little Eartho.
Oh, kind of sound like Jenkins.
Why is he screaming liquid?
Is he thirsty?
Liquid Snake.
I haven't played it.
Is Liquid Snake more like...
There's Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, Thunder Snake, Earth Snake.
There's all kind of snakes in the series.
Never played it.
Solid Snake is such a weird name, like just think about it, Solid Snake.
Well, I'm thinking about it.
I'm thinking about it.
Who created the series.
I'm thinking about it alright.
You know what I'm saying.
I've just realized the streams are Earth, Amber, or it should be Earth, Wind and Fire for
the disco theme.
Oh.
Because they're like one of the most famous disco bands.
This should be Earth, Wind and Fire.
If this Dream League was happening in September, then maybe we would have done that.
Why?
Do you remember?
Remember? No, I didn't see, I forgot.
That's the problem with that spawn.
That is just one component of the joys of Dream League is the Dildo.
The other part is our non-linear tasks that we oftentimes complete during the downtime in between games.
Yesterday, we had a competition of trying to complete a three-dimensional puzzle as quickly as possible.
The two teams are the Morning Shift, Captain Buying, Lawson.
You guys are getting creeped?
What's happening?
Listen, we're the one on our team, man.
No, I'm not.
I'm...
Which passers are agnostic, alright?
Which shift are you on?
It's shift v. shift.
Okay, but I'm not doing any of these pass.
If it's shift v. shift, they're literally the passengers.
Yeah.
They're getting carried to defeat.
That's not joking.
Yeah, man.
I don't like that.
Well, technically, we're all usually evening shift.
Yes, we are evening shift.
He's like, you're out of all the evening boys right now.
It's right here, so really, they're just winning points for us.
Well, just won't lock it.
He's got a new tagline, though.
Damn.
We got Bobby, who's in the water today for a tag.
Oh, by the day.
We got a box.
If my wife's head is in this box, I'm going to be very upset.
It's no fun.
What's in the box?
He's peeking.
He's a funny earring, and he's going to give you a box with the open earring.
I won't open it yet.
Just read to me what is on the card, and tell me what our task is.
Why break the joke around the way of the play?
Groovy rainbow drip.
Create the grooviest look with your batik equipment.
What's batik?
I don't know. B-A-T-I-K.
The team who create the best looking t-shirt will get two points. The team with the best socks will get one.
Do your best. Twitch chat decides.
So, can you get the best t-shirt and the best socks for three points total?
That is correct.
That would mean we would then overtake the morning crew.
That's the hope. Come back, mechanism. Come back, time.
Am I allowed to open the box?
You are now allowed to open the box.
What we are going to be doing in the spirit of, again, the disco theme is making tie-dye socks.
I know it's a good money for socks.
So the largest socks are for the watch be worn to children?
Yeah, they're worn.
And we have a tie dye kit.
One step tie dye kit.
So now the other comeback mechanic is that there are a finite number of colors in here.
There's 18 colors to choose from and because we're down, we get choice priority
on which colors will be the most aesthetically pleasing.
Brown.
Primary.
What?
Brown.
Let's see what we got.
This is how I know you're not on my stuff.
Gray. Is there a gray?
Quite a nice dark gray in there.
Shades of gray is tight. I actually
sounds pretty cool.
We need 50 shades of it.
Can you drink these?
They look edible. Black.
There you go.
That's black for you.
Like alcohol mixers.
Like blackberries.
Mango.
I'm gonna pick out the colors that I think I'm gonna force my shit to do something with
I'm gonna do something with gray. I'm gonna make a terrible mess with this. Yes, which is why we're not gonna do it right now
Okay, because we do need to cover up the floors a little yeah, why don't we why don't we do all the fruits?
I've got blueberry mango kiwi. Are these vape juice?
There's grape here. Okay, I'll put some of this in my vape. Lemon, cherry, there's peach
I mean, these are good colors.
Hill with water.
Hill the top of this sticker and shape very well.
What?
Oh, maybe it's been pre-watered.
Oh, I see.
I think it's been.
Production, did you do this ahead of time?
They did indeed.
That's very good.
How many colors do we get to choose?
Red.
We get to choose nine colors and night shift gets nine colors.
Mull it over.
Oh, that's bright orange.
That's vibrant.
That is bright orange.
You want that that is that's it? We'll keep that one lava lamp levels of that's a red yo telling you Kiwi
Yeah, right green nice green. It's a clover. It's a clover. That's lucky. That is lucky clover is lucky
He's right. It's a weak green. No, that's a nice dank navy
You can a navy. Thank you. Thank you for your welcome your welcome
purple purple purple or violet
Purple is probably brighter, Old George better.
Keep mulling these colors over, because in the meanwhile...
A nice fuchsia? Do we have a pink?
There's a rose.
What's the yellow one?
Let me recap you on what we're working our way towards with this dream league.
It's the Sports World Cup.
Two more.
A handful of points being dealt out, and there's only four opportunities to get them this competitive season.
So you got to scoop them up quick, we can take a look at the leaderboard for where teams currently stand.
So while Yandex may be 0-1-4 in terms of our current group stage standings, they're still sitting pretty in first place.
Just reading with all the darkest colors. Look at that.
What are you cackling at, Avery?
Look at that selection.
Browns and blacks and purple.
That's great.
Oh my god, we're going to lose somehow, we're losing a second already.
All right, we've chosen our colors and we've gotten our EWC.
We've got like a rainbow.
They just have dark colors.
Put the labels forward so they can...
Basically our side is like the left side of that leaderboard and their side is the right
side of that leaderboard.
They got a gamer legion brown in here.
My declaration, green.
There was a color theory going on that on Group A all the red teams are actually owned
four and all like the blue and green teams are four and oh.
Oh, shit.
OG, Parry, and I forgot the fourth non red one.
Anyway, these are our colors.
I'm going to choose Clover, Rose, Mango, Kiwi, Navy.
Wait, is Navy really the go-in?
In the Navy, Grape, Lemon, Red.
I'm aware of that.
Is it actually called Red?
It's not like it's a picture of a watermelon.
Watermelon, Red.
And Cheri.
We did Red and Cheri?
Yeah, we just want to deny them colors.
Okay, but surely there's no good color in here?
What cherry is a great color?
Look at these, look at those fuchsia.
Why would we have cherry over fuchsia?
Their colors are going to be peach,
blue,
black,
another kind of blue,
coffee,
that's just a shame, that's not a color.
Fuchsia and gray.
I feel like the orange is
You want to take the orange?
Yeah we've got it
I'm down to take orange
just so we give them yet another blue
Yeah fun, give them the navy
Give them the navy
Alright, give them the navy
I still think we should take grey
because grey has pictures of steel cogs on it
and nothing says the hippie generation
more than industry
So I would like my
It's been noted
been noted for the record.
Thank you.
Well, we'll note it down.
If we lose this challenge, I'll say it's because we didn't take
great.
Yeah.
Meanwhile, I want to know, yeah, there are things that you
can be accountable for every such as the predictions that you've
been making for a dream league.
How you doing on the leaderboard?
Oh, it's a sound of a joke.
Don't make that.
He's just your piece.
Just my own.
I don't think it is about that.
I don't know exactly what it was.
But I wasn't on camera.
It's fun.
It was the audio that was in there.
Look, I have to celebrate the one day I'm in first.
You're eating the quiz.
This is the last day I'm in.
I find one point.
This is the last day I'm ahead of anything.
Actually, Morning Squad is goaded.
Sorry, Ted, you're not included.
I was Morning Squad yesterday.
Morning Squad's made.
I don't know.
You've got two points.
You're really bringing us down.
So I wasn't here on the first day,
and all the results were chosen for me
automatically by production.
OK, very well.
You are asking for your experience.
As Jenkins noted, all the Americans
are currently winning on the leaderboard.
Number one, baby.
Number one to seven,
Jenkins is letting North America down,
but other than that.
So any dodger is dead,
but you guys can predict how all the teams are gonna do.
I will say this is quite fun.
I've never been so invested in the late night games.
Like, I was sitting there watching that XG game last night.
I needed them to win the draw.
I was like, yes, you better fucking win this game.
You better play this tinker to the best of your ability.
So then it looks like today you're invested in
Yannick's getting a 2-0 over Betboom.
Jenkins to Betboom?
Jenkins, look at that, but he's potentially being contrarian.
Hey, okay, that makes sense.
Technically, yandex are 0-4.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt.
Most teams, wow, look at that.
Mean cleanup, almost the same exact predictions.
Great minds think alike.
Actually, about today's were quite difficult.
Yes, I think there's a lot of...
I found them trivial.
...tide volatility and ramness in these.
That is the intention of us
picking the games that we're choosing on mainstream.
We're not choosing the gamer-religion series
because those would be potentially easier to predict.
because you would go you would go game religion over falcons right now of
course listen gamer legion against the rest of field they're just facing up
against the presumably the top two teams today all right so it's probably
gonna be zero and eight for them unfortunately but they'll rise from
that position after that right day three is gamer legion's day all right
there's like ten group stage days right Neil right Neil in group stage one
One plus two, yes, perhaps.
If there's one, though, time is ticking.
Time's also ticking for us, because we got to get into our very first series of the day.
Captain Avery, I'll let you take your positions as we prepare for Yandex.
Here's to that, though.
Yeah, for our first series of the day, we do have two 0 and 4 teams.
And so for this series, Ted, are you all right?
Okay, Ted's all right.
He fell down off camera there.
Maybe that's the sign of what is to come for this series.
I wanted to do a little bit of a review of why I believe one of these two teams is in
this position.
We have Yandex vs. Bedboom.
I wanted to highlight Yandex especially because they came off such a successful performance
in the last few tournaments and they've got an issue that I call stable buddy syndrome.
So you see Axe get initiated on here but that's not what we're looking at.
We're looking at the two people blinking to try to help them.
The Beastmaster going on the back lines trying to salvage the situation,
Axe then buying back to help the team after they tried to save him.
And this, if you looked at the win rate graph for this game,
it was 50-50 leading into this fight and then the game was almost over immediately.
And this is in their next game, playing in the same series where Razor gets gone on,
not too big of a deal.
They're doing a great job poking him down on the side of OG,
making sure they're not committing too many resources,
but then we're going to shift our focus to the bottom of the screen,
For Kunkka, the offlaners notice trying to come in and help, but instead he gets caught,
then Jakiro and Tiny try to save him, and they're going to get caught.
And instead of every single engagement turning into what could be maybe one kill in a tower,
we're seeing it bleed into multiple kills one after the other.
There is a little bit of a balance between individualism and Dota, making sure you do
your own thing, and also playing around your team.
And it looked like from watching the replays of Yandex, both of these games were nail biters
up until that point, and then it got out of control very quickly.
So what I'm going to be paying attention to for Yandex versus BedBoom today specifically
is these mid-game engagements where BedBoom, they're inevitably going to catch Yandex out
sometime with a smoke, and how exactly is Yandex going to respond to that in regards to the
Saber Buddy Syndrome?
Because the ideal response in that situation is to potentially cut your losses every once
in a while.
It's okay to fail every once in a while, right?
I think even if we lose two challenges in a row, it's fine.
It is fine.
Are those our colors?
No, those are the morning colors.
No, those are our colors.
Those are what you picked for us.
Four dark reds and three greens?
Yes, but look what they go left with just junk.
Where's the purples and the blues?
You can mix them up.
You're from the worst red and the worst green.
No, trust me.
The other colors, whatever they tie dye,
it's just going to be like, miserable.
This is some bright colors. These are the we choose only the bright colors. We have like four dark reds. Oh, yeah, they have none
Did you give them any purples?
Maybe I believe they have a fuchsia
That's like the most
Yes, this is great
I'm not invested in it. I believe in you, Ted. I'll compensate for her lack of content to do her tasks.
Trust me. It's not a competition.
The colors we left behind are much more miserable.
It's not a competition. I'll trust you.
But just corner in the market.
Okay?
So it's called...
Sure.
Called...
Monopoly.
It's called corner in the market.
Monopoly. I see two...
I see three dye colors.
Here, I see yellow and orange.
Everything else is not a good color.
You can mix colors to make other colors.
Sure.
Their colors when they mix them just get danker and danker to the point where it's just all they can do is tie-dye things black and gray
You they have pink and purple. They have brown. They cannot wait. It doesn't matter. They have pink and purple. You give them pink and purple.
Don't matter. Those are the tie-dye colors. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective here, if I may. Okay.
This is about crushing your enemy's dreams, not about necessarily achieving your own. Okay. Yeah, that's what this is, bedroom.
And there you go. That's the guy that's this segue. I'm looking for crushing your enemies dreams such as how both these teams are currently crushed in the group stage
They are both 0 and 4 right now, and yet I feel that actually I wasn't paying attention to the predictions
But I think most of us chose Yandex despite the fact that both teams are level on the playing field. I put them split
You put them yeah, I wasn't convinced enough by Yandex's performance. Okay, they just
It's like if you don't
If you make mistakes like they made that I showed in the clips where you have
Medium bad things turned into literally catastrophic things like the the win-rate graphs in those games
It was it was literally flattened and then they lost a buff of both of those plays
Yeah, and I just don't I think it's hard to take a series 2.0 if you're prone to that sort of thing happening
I'm not exactly sure what's happening and why that's being caused sure
but it does seem to be stemming around fights that are happening in the mid lane and also like
Like, you know, the reason why Axe got initiated onto there was because he battle-hungered
a Helm of the Dominator creep for kind of like no reason, basically.
So when I see that kind of stuff, I'm like, okay, that just doesn't fit how skilled these
players are.
So I just feel like something's rattled in there.
I'm not sure what it is.
Perhaps that is the kind of guidance that a coach could help them out with.
Absolutely.
BedBoom team also had some motions going on with their coach, and we got a chance to
you speak to save about what their roster situation is right now.
Our team is not in a very good shape right now, like overall, like after TI, pure left, you know, we got a new team, got a new coach, after TI,
Olke is basically our father of the year. I mean, he taught us everything, honestly, in the competitive, like a lot of things.
and after Kai he left for some months, now I guess team understood that we need him.
I think we're kind of the same team with the different carry, just need to bring back our
like good team chemistry. I think BatBomb is a very good team while adapting, like some long
trim licks like this. That's the first way to go through the group stage number one, which I think
it's not gonna be easy. There's a lot of strong teams, but if we go past this, I think, yeah,
We're gonna be in a good spot.
A version of the BedBoom team that we often don't get to hear about,
a perspective that we often don't get to catch, because for as much as we've been harping on Spirit currently missing silent,
and how much chaos that may be causing in terms of their roster,
I feel like we don't get to shine enough of a light on Bulk,
and what he has had in terms of impact for BedBoom team.
Yeah, and he's one of those coaches that, I mean, probably because of the language barrier,
hear that much content coming from the EEU community a lot, but he's a coach that's highly
respected, has been around for a long time, and everyone sings the praises for.
So a loss like that will leave a pretty big hole, and that's shown in that Boon's gameplay,
to be honest.
Like, they've been in a position from what I've seen at least in the stream league,
where they're doing well on the lanes, which they've always done, I mean with the exception
of like one game maybe, they can get their leads in the early game, but afterwards they
look so lost.
And usually that's the influence of a coach, like, okay, when you do this, this is a timing
that you go to.
If you're playing against this team, you want to make sure around 25 minutes that these
are your priorities.
Who is it on the team right now that can fill that role for them?
Especially if formerly that idea was being fulfilled by Pure, because we have heard Pure
to be a very vocal player and as often times wanted to be the captain, whether or not he
is officially the captain, so losing that voice, all these things may be combining to
That boom team being a little bit more lost than we're used to seeing them.
Yeah, you need a leader, don't you?
And I mean...
I think it's all very well having a coach outside the game, but...
In fact, there's still someone talking about this the other day, about the fact that in CS...
Like in Counter-Strike, to the most, the coach comes in between games, he's like...
Correct.
Shoot them in the head more.
You know, the sort of thing you say in Counter-Strike.
Coach him.
Shoot them in the head more.
He'll have to bomb.
Good advice.
He fused the bomb.
Got it, Skipper.
In Dota, it's a bit different.
The coach can't come in mid-game and say...
Click more creeps.
Did you see the interview with Maposhka?
He was, uh...
What did he say?
He said that he...
We should be able to have a coach.
Correct.
I thought we were gonna have half-time next.
That's...
I don't know how you would have done it, but...
25 minutes, have a break, have a chat, come back.
Either that...
Get on with it.
Or the coaches in the comms...
Get on with it. Everybody else managed.
Get on with it.
There's no breaks in Dota.
You don't get a break when you play in your pub game.
That's true.
You pause it, you take a toilet break, everyone goes,
yeah, cool. As soon as you're gone,
unpause, unpause, unpause.
There's no breaks in there. It's a marathon.
That's what the halftime should be like.
Like they both leave and then someone just quietly...
I'm probably not worth it.
I mean, when you think about it, halftime does happen in just long series,
like in the middle of two series, not when I would occur.
But you might have played an 85-minute game, back-to-back.
You've got to play another 85-minute game.
That's exhausting. You don't get to take an hour off.
You might get 15 minutes, really, as you go.
So I go to the toilet, have a smoke, come back in,
and they're fishing each other, kicking people.
That kind of stuff.
I do think maybe it's an interesting conversation worth having though is like what is the role
of a coach in doubt exactly and how can it be amplified more in competitive because it
is such an important thing that most people don't really have the exposure to.
Like coaches play such a violent and deadly role in these teams and people don't have
your...
You're saying they're like a fog.
I don't know why I use those two adjectives.
I was thinking of the right word.
Maybe because we're talking about tie-dye or something.
We're talking about hippies.
Hippies and farts.
They're hippies and farts.
Anyway, Widow's turn to say is like they are very important
and it doesn't necessarily come off to the average viewer.
So I think there is like a valuable conversation there
and how maybe they can be added into it more,
But not in the sense of like them playing the game. I'll just say that like I hear both sides the argument
I hear like Ted saying yeah
We've Dota's always been this way and like there hasn't been a half-time and I agree with everything about that
But I'm also imagining like every other competition like traditional sports for instance where you're in like the third quarter and
or like towards these into the second half whatever sport you're playing and
You get to a crunch time situation and there's no coach
Okay, so are we gonna have substitutions?
I'm gonna start saying you know what I'm swapping out my time bringing in another carry
I'm not there that doesn't mean referee step in and getting people yellow cards for B.M.
What someone smiley?
Yellow card free kick. He's rage-baiting. Yeah, he's rage-baiting. I don't carry that way. I'm just laughing because I
double-sabotage. I think substitutions would never work. I get it. I mean, you know having someone a coach being able to say
Guys do this more, but I suppose that the thing is if you have that
it does mean that no offense but poorer teams that can't afford like the top
coaches are gonna suffer that's true and I feel like it's it might be too easy
for it a giga-brained coach to just literally manage because I don't feel
like as a low MMR player if I play with a high MMR coach telling you what to do
the gameplay that you are elevated so much like just our timings and tell you
I agree to get and do this to the point where I mean you you coach yeah when you take some sucker like me
Who's willing to give you money?
To learn how to play Dota slightly better. Yeah, right my point is that that coaching does a lot right?
It does I'm teasing you, but it does a lot. It doesn't stick
Yeah, all the time in the moment, but having someone tell you should do this now do this
Don't do that. Go get this guy smoke gang here. It takes your gameplay to a whole other level
So if you're a decent team you have a good coach
It can bump you up a bit more, which I can see by itself.
My argument, I was going to say, if you're a team on the up and coming that maybe having
that coach could give you the ability to be composed more on a bigger stage.
In the moment where your nerves are kicking in, it's 25, 30 minutes plus and you are overwhelmed
with a bunch of stuff and the coach says, okay guys, we've almost got our three big items.
like dodge the smoke and you tank it here and yeah but this and go smoke like
that's the kind of stuff that I know top-tier teams already do right you
know we're still talking about the push because yeah yes suggestion right the
thing is while it does sound cool on paper I think the issue with that
realistically for Dota would be that like there's already been historically
like quite a significant like a regional divide in the sense that some regions are
able to like output more money into the teams and like the analysts and the coaches and
things like that in other regions don't have the same means or capabilities and let's say
like an up-and-coming South American team without access to a proper coach that could
be in the booth with them versus let's say a team liquid with the coach in the booth,
coach in the booth.
With three coaches in the booth?
That would be so much harder.
That would be a much bigger obstacle to climb and you'd be building that wall up even higher
and higher.
I understand the argument. I guess for me, I'm just thinking it more just puts value on the coach itself rather than
favoring teams. Like you're giving them another tool, but I just think it makes the coach role more important and I do think that
Like if you look at other sports, the coach is like usually one of the highest-paid people on the team. Like
I'm just like you have like maybe an American sport. I'm saying you have like not even in America
You have like the five all-stars and the coaches like six or seven teams. Yeah, the coaches are gonna
manager and think about baseball
manager is making me even nearer as much as I am
you think Shohihtoani is making less than the fucking manager?
come on
no no you're right
he's making a billion dollars a week
there anything about being a shoe though for up and coming teams who can't afford a good coach salary
like I just don't think we should come in here
I don't think there's a difference between the salary being paid for good players and a good coach
like I don't think it adds discrepancy to the
for the problem. That's what I think.
It's an interesting thought experiment, though regardless, the coaches...
Another thought experiment.
Lion!
...the coaches are drafting right now.
That's right. That's where they get the most airtime,
and they've picked themselves seven different heroes so far.
It's a lot.
Warlock, Largo, Kaz, and Lion picked up for a bedroom team,
and Yandex got themselves a Mars, a Marcy, and a Shadow Shaman.
This Kaz here has been a scene of a fair bit lately.
Pretty cool.
Pretty, pretty cool.
Pretty cool.
You like him?
I hate him.
No.
He's being sarcastic.
He can't stand this guy.
Too many buttons to press?
Who knows what he does?
Genuinely.
So many different strengths.
Ridiculous.
He's got a space.
Also, this clicks here very good.
In the hands of Aimee.
I am less enthusiastic when it's other players.
In the face?
Yeah.
Oh, he's pretty good.
This here's been trending a lot though.
Like, he's been popping up in the hands of a lot of carries
and you need a ranged turret type of hero.
With the changes that he got,
it makes him more impactful online as well.
with the Searing Era is returning right so I don't necessarily think it's become
very player-specific but it can be failed very easily. Have you guys noticed
which hero is not being contested so far in any way? There's a lot of them you're
gonna have to give us another hint. Hero that was all about it. Razor? Yes,
Razor. Everybody's just like... And Viper. Right, Razor and Viper. Two dickheads.
Yeah. I'm glad they're not in. Like they're boring, man. Come on.
How she raises not that boy. Oh, yeah
I mean actually I like index is draft a lot more
I'm thinking about like the bigger picture of things that boom
Something about the draft feels weird to me like you have a lot of you've really strong lanes on the index with like Mars
Plus most likely shower shaman. I think the Marcy would work better with the Cleanson lane
Yeah, you don't want to double melee is not much fun. Is it yeah, I'm just thinking about how
Now...Bepbune clears lanes on the map, like who?
I guess Kez is decent, when you can just felt what is the first spell called?
Dragon Rush?
You know, this is a Flash.
Echo Slash.
That looks pretty good.
Fatal Bonds.
Upheaval.
That'll clear a wave.
I'm thinking that, like, until Lion blink, they don't really have any playmaking potential
on Beppin' while Yandex has, like, so many different options, that's the kind of one
I'm thinking.
I do think that's what's bothering me with this draft, is you see Lion plus Warlock support
where I like to play to have a tusk or something, moving around the map earlier on, and then you see Laravel from the off lane who's not your blank stunt type of hero.
He's gonna farm for 15 minutes, get his aggs, but I think-
What about Storm Mira for Beth Boon?
I mean, that would be great because they're lacking that kind of spirit that can be the initiation for them and provide the wave clear that Brian's talking about.
And he can get out of Mazarina and everything. I mean, the only thing he's worried about is getting shackled up.
For sure, that would be like a pretty decent pick, but I think for a Bat-Bomb, so long as their lanes are strong enough,
he'll be able to play off of his Logo timing, because I quite like this for a Miro and save as an Offlane duo.
Miro is the type of player who likes to farm for 15 minutes anyway.
Like, he can play make, but he does thrive with like the Beastmaster type of heroes.
So long as Kez has a good lane versus Mars, which he should, Kez absolutely shreds Mars.
It's not even close in most cases.
Then I feel like they should be able to withstand and play on their tempo.
These lights aren't sponsored by a webcam company are they?
You're not even a Minecraft graphics?
Brought to you by Eightpixels!
That's a webcam!
Socks on 4k, that's what I like to say.
He looks like a John Wick character.
So Mr. Wick.
He's tall enough to be one.
Yep.
He has to fight him in a library.
That's a Void Spirit for Yandex. It's pretty cool.
It gives them like that hero that's gonna play tempo, make it so that maybe Mars gets crushed.
alleviated off of his lane once he gets that power rune, maybe he can come and kill
because which is going to be really important.
Okay, this Monkey King actually seals up a lot of their problems because once
Beppin got to the stage of the game where they can make moves, I feel good about it,
but now that they have a guy that's going to carry them through the first 12 to 15 minutes of the game,
the Monkey King very favored against Void Spirit, pretty much any melee hero in lane,
and I think his tempo is going to be a bit too fast for heroes like Shadow Shaman and Marcy,
because Marci and Shadow Shaman, like, they want the momentum to be in their favor, like, they capitalize on momentum rather than really providing it, I feel like.
So, now that... I do think this Monkey King significantly alters the momentum of the first 12 minutes of the game, and I actually immediately swapped to Beppo with the draft favor in here.
It's a great pick, but it's also susceptible to, like, really good support rotations from Yandex.
Like, if Saxon and Melody are on point, they decide to suck a lane and just sit on the Monkey King's lane,
or maybe get a kill early on because that could really shift the tides of how the early game will go.
I agree. There's gonna be very volatile, I think, either way.
Edward?
There's gonna be a lot of fighting. That's what I know.
You were scanning back and forth.
Yeah, we're trying to pick which draft I like, but they both look pretty scary to me, to be honest.
But I would like to see Storm rather than Monkey, but I get it. People like Monkey.
Against a melee Void Spirit, you really want to abuse him.
I get that.
But a little bit more susceptible against the Mars.
Come with your sentiment.
Cut down a lot of trees with that shoot.
That's what I'm saying.
Also, I would like to see Big Snake, not Chicken Fingers,
unless I have a shame.
That's not been happening.
Much better.
Take the Big Snake.
You call the Big Snake this time, so Big Chicken.
Well, I don't know what set he's using,
and he confused you yesterday.
It's it.
Did you, uh, did you predict the draw for this one?
Did you predict at all, actually?
I did. I think I bet on Yandex production to confirm. I can't really remember. I think I said Yandex
He's mulling it over. I don't know
Quickly confront Cap and Avery, core part of the opening show. A quick confrontation over there. Oh
Who okayed the loss of purple and pink?
I voted for gray, brown and black
I'm with you on the pink. I'm with you on the pink. It was all purple. It's kind of whatever, right?
Depending on the shade of purple, right, which it's hard to tell with the purple that they showed us,
but it looked like a dark purple, right? You know, it's not just about the colors.
100%. I was with bright colors. There's a bit of pizzazz and elam, dare I say it,
Even style!
Pinkfo!
Not just colors!
Pinkfo!
You do think you can just win with the colors?
You need more!
Look at that! Great!
We chose the most delicious sounding flavors, Mera, okay?
Number one's to eat great!
I hear you, I hear you.
I hear you, and now, I hear you.
I wanna see you, I wanna see this game!
Let's get into game number one with Cap!
Let's do this!
We're seeing many of this gang based on stuff we saw yesterday, but we'll work here at
But there is a new face to the tournament, Avery.
Do you know which hero that is?
Why?
Is it really the first Lion King?
It happens to not be hero, but I can't listen to it.
Who the hell is that?
Okay, that is the first Lion King.
It's probably the first Monkey King.
It is the first Monkey King.
There's probably a good reason.
Neither of these heroes are too strong right now on paper.
What happened to Monkey King?
He just doesn't win the lane as hard, and he can't snowball as fast.
I think a lot of these other mids are just beating his ass a lot of the time.
Dang.
I think these pure snowball heroes fell off considerably as people found ways to stabilize the map a bit better.
It- like imagine you're playing Monkey King against some Maul Ring Sanking or something, right?
Well, I'm gonna go and lane and abuse the Sanking and then he just goes back and does stacks.
If you die once, he's ahead of you, all of a sudden this game doesn't feel as great.
It's just super volatile and a lot of teams don't want to play for that risk reward because the reward is not as...
It's not as crazy as it used to be.
The game doesn't just implode if the Monkey King wins this lane, which is how it used to be.
Maybe you're supposed to go back for the super aggressive builds.
More points in the Jingu with early Deso, and just run the game over with overwhelming physical.
I wouldn't mind that cost-tall.
Well, there was six games of Monkey King at Blast Slam. It went four and two.
Uh, so not the worst scorer.
Uh, Mickey did go...
Mickey played it, so it wasn't a bid.
He went for a fast S.O., so maybe you're onto something there.
Lion was picked up four times at last, which is kind of surprising to me.
What isn't surprising is it went one in three.
I have no faith in this hero.
Yeah.
Faves a lion specialist.
It's one of their signature heroes of all time.
He's super good on it.
It's just such a tough hero to work,
because he just doesn't really have an ult.
And heroes without an ult are...
well, unsurprisingly, not that strong.
Doesn't have an ult.
No, not really.
He has removed my own mana, which is pretty good.
The spell, they did buff the cooldown on Finger,
which is pretty big for the spell, they should have done this a long time ago.
120 second level 1 is way better than what it used to be, which is like 150 plus.
Yeah, I don't know how finger of death was ever rivaling like Black Hole or Cool Town, like that doesn't sound correct.
Everybody who's played Lion Hose, this spell is not that great.
Yeah.
So you kind of have to make his other kit work.
Maybe it would survive in the fight, get some Manaturing's off, get some Impales.
If you wanted to play a double-disabled hero,
why not play the guy on the other side, Shadow Shaman, who does kind of have an ultimate. That's useful and does things.
It's true.
Also has the equivalent hex
The laning is comparable and
Is innate? I'll play a lot stronger. Yeah way stronger. I would say
So it's a good comparison. Lion's innate. It's only stronger if you're playing mid-lion
Why wouldn't that?
Disessence either can be pretty good in the fight if you get the shard later and you're man-training a couple people and it feels some decent damage
Well, that okay, that's fast. I'm talking in it. I'm talking to hell like that is back to hell
Yeah, that thing is mostly irrelevant can be okay sometimes if you're just chain dining games
But the argument is if you're chain dying then
Well, yeah, the better your game is the worst that that a name is so
There's a bit of democracy built into it. So I just cannot rate this hero too high
I mean basically Valvar expecting you to die on this hero, which is probably
All right, so putting the drafts together is here. What do you like better?
I feel like the Index is more meta.
I'd rather have the Index's lineup, but I do think this Monkey King can do some damage
if GPK pops off here.
Pretty scary last pick to go into.
Their heroes do not do a lot to Monkey King in this game.
Outside of just, they get really big in premium and the late game fights.
But in terms of Monkey snowballing the game, having a good laning phase right around the
map, killing people that type of style, pretty free game for GPK.
I mean, what is he worried about?
You're not playing against any of these Batrider Viper, Jikiro Nonsens, heroes that...
There's no attack speed flows in this game.
I would argue they have...
I think Yandex has decent burst damage.
Which is pretty good...
Dealing with Monkey King.
I just mischief dodges it all.
And, okay.
And they have Mars.
Which, really good for catching the Monkey King.
Whether it's cutting down the trees, or hitting him with the spear, whatever.
Mars matchup is not...
That's not a hundred percent, though.
And so, I mean, isn't it like a bad lane matchup, a good game matchup for Mars?
I don't think the game matchup is okay if you're just playing in utility Mars,
but if you just get stuck in the fight against him building Jingu stacks, you get stuck on the hole.
You are just another melee hero.
Yeah, you can sometimes get some Spear of Shenanigans going, and you can recreate the gas with your spells.
He's better than most melee heroes, but in general, you still don't want to play melee heroes against monkeys.
Well, as it is, this Mars is not likely to have a good game
because we've seen this match up time and time again.
Kez versus Mars.
It's not great.
Socks are going to talk trying to find the first blood in this game.
That's another two man impale from save.
He's just had back to back of those.
Very quiet game here.
Still looking top might find a Miro.
Well, this here's get the jump there with the pick me up was that
Eat their shock to finish him off Watson will claim first blood I mean, I don't know bet that boom socks is out of that
Off-link he does not want to go back there understandably so it's not a win of a lane. I think anymore so
Giving the kill after failing the initial part of the rotation. It's not good
That was weird. It's like they felt he had left already.
He was kind of lingering there.
Stoxel will take something out of that rotation.
Yeah, he does not want to go to this Kessling anymore.
Now they're high enough that they feel like the monkey is going to get aggressive here.
Trying to counterplay GPK, building Gingustax on Chirijunior, then you turn it around.
Power runes also spawning.
And we'll get denied by Kato.
Nice little room to take away from his voids here with an empty bottle.
This monkey does not care about it.
Oh, nice where he talks, that finds a ward.
Notice missing the spear.
Now he does have enough to live here, but just a little bit more punishment on top of
what has been a laning phase of punishment.
17 and 3, lowest CS of the course so far.
Kiritich is 33 and 12, but he's being beaten out by the Monkey King, 46 and 19.
You can't go near that mid lane. Full level ahead.
They are trying to look for the gank of it, but Chiro Junior just playing super defensive.
Now that Monkey is gonna try and rotate.
It's hit by the plug grenade, but gets the jump off first.
I don't know about the Spearman and TP coming in from the voice beard, they're really going in for this.
He might be...
Chiro Junior jumps on him, Shackles goes out, Kiritich, he's trying to stop what he can, does some damage.
No disables though, all the spells continue to go out, and Genie Cable dies as a result.
Now notice, gets another spear on the keratage, all keratage!
Maybe he gets this kill on notice with the Kazarai Katana?
No, nope, not even enough there.
Ooh, I mean, off of such a successful laning phase when...
BB Team just...
Let it flip!
That's the Dauzeff's monkey!
It's super volatile, even if he buys raindrop now...
Didn't have it for that fight.
It's a bad kill to give up for GPK with how much he was dominating this mid lane. They do get double with the truck.
I was just pointing out so they do get a nice little exchange on top of them.
Did not go their way, which will help these supports get boosted up a lot in this game.
That's a big deal here. Straight back at the bottom though, Shackle in the spearback on the tower, nice pulling.
Get the follow-up stun once again.
We've talked about their playstyle and how defensive and reactionary it is, and they're very good at that.
We're seeing that here, the defensive rotation, socks up to top.
Now, multiple times where Malady has shown up at the right time on a smart seed.
Just very good at reading the map and abusing little mispositions, little overextensions.
They can leave this clink slow on top, so they can get more out of the smarts line.
It's very nice for them, especially killing some of these snowball heroes in the case of the one team early.
Both of which I think want to go Deso, but only one probably will, and will probably be Kez, so...
What will GPK end up with? Maybe some Ekko-Saber build, some Diffusal Build, or his options?
There's another rotation from the Shaman, he should...
...take it all three lengths here!
What a... What a start for...
...the big man here.
I was gonna say initially, Largo Offlane seemed to, like, that first week when we saw him,
he was actually getting a lot of kills in, like...
And it feels like people have adjusted to the kill threats of the catchy lick and frog stomping now
I feel like Largo, maybe he hits this big game stride where he's really good
But I feel like a lot of times he's just getting used to dying multiple times in the first 15 minutes
His lane phase has not been impressive now that people are adjusted
Maybe you'll have to see adjustments the other way and picking more aggressive lanes with this hero
Got the grab and the pick me up to land on a safe
But he hits a two-man stun inside the Wukong's man
So Malady's gonna be in trouble to stimulate and an actual step nicely played by Chira, Jr.
to get the kill unsafe and get out.
Now grab from Zoxa with the shackles and wasps showing up and notice.
Okay, there you go. Yandex in their typical five-man defensive move.
This is really good conceptual play against a last-dick mid-monkey game.
Always bring the numbers to this guy.
Don't let him get away with building up the Jingu, running heroes down, getting the numbers advantage.
There's punishing this pick mega hard. He's farmed, but what a combo play from
saving Kato me they just that there and took it I mean I don't think they
expected the supports to be both level six already because of the wisdom trite
steel yeah that's the payoff and now they're both level seven compared to
what five and five huge payoff there instant finger death charge instant
value of the golem into the tower. You cannot ask for more out of the first set of ults here.
Yeah, her early mid tower with golems. And you got a voice barrier kill out of the finger,
which is like the best you're on the map to kill here. Yeah, just in steam value.
And as the index did not read that at all, that's like, what are we doing there? That's a...
We gotta wake up. Yeah, why are we throwing three heroes underneath the mid tower that we're probably not gonna take?
GpK rotate up top, and after Waxin gets Malady, finds him, TP gets cancelled, so Waxin gonna
make a run for it, drops the skeletons, and he's...
Run through his sentry, they have more vision, another sentry gonna be dropped, and see if
he can get outside of the range unlikely though, they're probably gonna be able to keep him
changed underneath it.
It's a little move from that boom here.
And bounce it right back.
Socks have finally hit his little six and will use the wards to take mid tower.
So, goal him on one side, wards on the other, tower takers from both support sides.
It's a big kill to find on this planks, he was free farming up there, he was gonna have
a very fast deso.
So you slow him down and try and progress your own deso.
No, it will not be deso, it will be battle fury for the kez.
Okay, mid deso, no not deso for GPK.
I don't know if I like it. I think one of them should have gone Desmond's key. Yeah, just like that
I don't know what this battle theory has with the rest of the lineup
Like your lineup does not want to have to wait for the carry to come up on
Your line of wants the carry to join this squad in all the early fighting
Yeah, I think this is heritage
It's a style like going monkey King mid
Like he's just following Maureen's build which Maureen also went first side of BKB. I think that's fair. That's okay
It's going to give so much time to you next year.
They're going to get to play their usual defensive style and maybe battle theory will pay off
in that sense if you think you can't break the map.
You get to farm up at least.
Well, they clumped, they get hit by fatal bombs, and then Echo Slash with the battle fury.
Just sound pretty cool.
Another faker.
They picked me up trying to get noticed out of here, but there's just too much power being brought.
Betboom, the adjustments that they've made.
Yeah, they're like, alright, Yandex, you wanna go and make these three, four, five-man moves around the map?
We can do the same.
Four heroes to kill the all-planer, but only two needed for the index.
So technically a more efficient play for them.
Yeah.
But this will result in a tower for them.
Yeah, they're happy about the T-Move overall.
And they have their ults back up.
Fingerdust and Golem online as well as the Monkey Hill.
So they're absolutely ready to take a larger clash.
But with all the towers down, where are you gonna get that?
You could try and fight 14-minute wisdom shrine.
That's what I would say.
That's the next objective here.
No, that could be a nice place to play.
And it's...
...are willing to give it to you.
I think it's always kind of awkward though, when you make that play,
and you have like a minute to that objective, right?
Are you gonna really spend a minute in that area?
Not really.
So they're just gonna look top.
Try and bait the Largo a little bit.
The game will hit here, so they know Yandex is safe enough.
This could go real wrong for Yandex.
They get baited in here on the frog.
They see it with...
Shield Rune on Chira Jr.
He's gonna be the one to break much of this run.
They actually get to step through two of them.
This is not looking terrible!
Chira Jr. has already killed one.
Gon's gonna be dropped, though.
They gotta start backing away with the fade-up on some.
Nope, Aldi wants to go in, he chases after Katoami, and they'll get him.
Full supports will die on Bedboons time.
Kess just late to join the party.
That should have been a pretty decent setup for Bedboons.
Considered they had the numbers at the start.
The index.
See, everybody, they don't care.
You just drop everything, go in, they have Vessel and the Void Spirit, they have the wards to put down.
Dess will have already done all the clings.
This is where I point to the tempo advantage.
If you have a Deso Kes joining that fight versus a Deso Klings joining it, how much does it sway that type of engagement and how much more are you going to get for your team versus building up the slower-scaling item here?
I'm a little worried for Beppum going into these fights, which is what their lineup wants to do. It's Watson joins everything.
You're just going to get outnumbered, you're going to get out DPS. So maybe you just have to go back to finding more pickoffs in this game, which is a style that Lyon can play.
They're trying to do it here trying to find something without the blink on line a little difficult
Watson
Gap is closed and with the finger. I'll put him down pretty quick. That is just a perfect smoking
from save right there
Find the exact route with the exact right heroes and the exact spells you need and just get quick clean kill
Close that carry gap
Speaking of that gap panel, Fury is on it's way, so...
Heritage gets it, about 15-30, not a terrible timing.
No, he's plenty far.
Not to worry here if you're a boon.
Still have that Largo Ags coming as well.
For War Trap.
That was awkward.
But no follow-up, the TV's coming in, can't fix.
I feel like it's not worth it, they just give away ward gold to the Monkey King.
Biggest boss from Bethlehem is if something you index can do with that.
And if it's a top tower you can try and go hit.
And if that rovers up there as well, your best option, no real objective to get on the map.
I mean, if you get aggressive there, right, Bethlehem might just go through the gate.
They would have to preemptively gate though.
And now he's sitting on the gate. Maybe that's just thinking about it.
Well, they've given you a dump for the monkey.
And like, he's a battle for Frikes, so these two, so one-two punch got to their items, you're just kind of missing the Largo Wags, which
still weighs away, just so slow on this hero.
You know, weird little thing about the Andix line, if they're 1 and 2, both have a shard,
a farming shard, that they both want to buy in 15 minutes.
Which kind of means stats-wise, right?
You're like 3,000 gold less in stats, in some ways.
The abilities that they get for the shard are obviously very war, but they're kind of
army. Yeah, I guess it's kind of some missing network. He's off pretty quickly. Yeah, it
does. Just saying like this five minute window here, kind of like weaker than your net worth
says, especially with bedroom hitting many of their timings, they got the battle if you
They've got the DKB done and the Ags done for the Largo.
Yeah, there's the big one there, Largo Ags.
So now they're really wanting to up at the tempo here
if they can get some 5 on 5s going.
Do not want to lose that 20-minute tormentor,
at least without a fight.
Happy to just keep farming for now, though.
Soxa making a move mid, has Blink,
and will find the Largo.
It's close to a tier 2.
Little dangerous. I mean, notice not even throwing the spear?
I can't not want you to commit for it. Well, I guess the spear is going to be put to use to keep GBK back and does keep Sox alive.
Well, GBK continues his ward farming in this game. It's about all he's got in here.
But it's not like the index, it found a lot more either.
Just have both moves from the shaman to get a response, but then there's no follow-up on the map.
Yeah, you both have snowballing mids.
I mean, I think I would rather be the monkey king
And the monkey king versus voidsphere matchup than neither one of us is getting kills, you know
I think voidsphere is more dependent especially spirit vessel, right? I think he's more dependent on getting kills
I would rather be voidsphere, honestly. Why? I just don't trust monkey
Okay, I'll trust this hero in this patch. Hmm
I think Void Spirit can just go Vessel into the Kaiyasha build and you're scaling your
farming fine and the build up's pretty nice.
You're always going to do reliable damage in the fight.
You can always get to the late game Void Spirit.
Stories weird about Monkey King are like jumping in the fight and if he gets disabled, you
have to peek him very early.
Can sometimes be hard to get a good Wukong like what's their setup for Wukong this game?
Lion yeah, it's lion
Yeah, lion can do lion. There's a thing you have to follow up the golem and upheaval
It's not like gandex is particularly mobile void spear it is but clink's is kind of like you know
He mostly just he wants to be able to sit in one spot same with the Mars
Come on, there's the monkey value.
No smoke for you, I sit in tree.
I think Val will ever introduce another hero that uses trees this way.
No.
I just feel like it's kind of unfair that only one hero can use trees the way he does.
There's no way they're gonna force this tormentor. They know the fight is coming again. This is not an objective. You want to give up with the Largo eggs.
Yeah, I noticed it in the position. He's gonna front line here. Ready to go with his blink dagger.
He is poor, but he's got what he needs.
Potentially.
They have big impact. They're still gonna go for it. They're actually gonna take it and then
Mast he be away except now. I don't know. It feels bad if you're about boom here
You can take that like you have the BKB monkey. You can jump in the Largo Ags. You're missing Kes BKB
Yeah, I think that was the call they really wanted to ditches BKB your life
She's so good at fighting objectives like that. It feels bad to just let them sneak away
Yeah, we haven't, like, you hit the Largo Ag's timing and haven't used it in a team fight.
Not great.
Here, continue to scale for sure here.
I haven't seen a golem for a considerable amount of time.
I don't think I've seen a golem other than the mid one and the top one.
So your warlock's not farming a lot.
This is why people tend to just drop them because if the game slows down, you have another
thousand, two thousand net worth here.
Just put some farming goals.
So this will be a four man smoke.
Looking for somebody.
You have to go through some remnants though.
Man, these are annoying.
So far I am Soxa.
Get scared by the lucky trap.
Hey man, Malady, separated from the rest of their cores, notice he's going to break
some of this, is he going to blink away before, okay, blink, or he's got himself stuck.
Do they notice?
I'll see him.
Oh, what a spot.
Oh, Malady!
I mean, he tries to challenge safe here, is he just running into his death?
Yeah.
Yeah, black.
Somebody had to tank the game cause.
I guess.
Did they?
Get down, brother, I'll tank it for you.
No, just like, I'm fine. What are you talking about?
Get out of there, Watson. They almost have us.
Oh, no! Waiting so long to drop the Golem.
Well, I think that's far with it.
Yeah, well, we'll farm neutrals with it.
If Monkey King doesn't take them all, let's get a roach with it.
Roche, it's a Roche-ing goal.
Okay.
Gotta do something in spirit warrior.
Can't let the indexes farm the baffle you have this 5-man ball.
You are strong around the pit with
Largo plus Wukong.
And well, I mean, you do have some, uh, some scouting.
The void spear remnant.
Illusions.
They circle all the way around here.
Wukong's man goes out, they're going to let them take Roshan for the fight afterwards
with the initiation and hitting the backlight, now the jump in from Audi as well.
Blink walks into position to start delivering some damage, but Kiritich is on top of him,
that's not what the Klinks wants.
Miro's going to die inside the pitch, sure, but Kiritich, he's feeling pretty good about
this so far.
They're going to go for Soxa now, turns around, shackles up and tries to finish off at least
this Aegis, they get that much.
With the buyback coming in from safe, he might net a Void Spirit kill, nice blink away from
Soxa.
Oh, he doesn't get pinned!
And because of that, he gets off the finger that kills Chara Jr.
It's a dieback for saying, but he got what he wanted, which was a kill on a core.
He's just liked the whole time.
Smacking people.
No attention going into this Monkey King.
Delta's seriously out of damage there.
I'm a little dubious of the Marcy rebounding that.
Yeah, that was not the play.
I don't know if Watson wanted to be that tight of quarters with Monty Chess.
This is generally worst case scenario for him and I feel like Valady just chucked him in there.
I don't know if that was intentional or not.
Yeah, that might have been one of those like key meant to...
Yeah, like you all took off incorrectly.
Yeah, he wanted to jump off of him.
Cause I don't know why you would need your links that much closer.
He's already hitting him.
Yeah.
Kind of just threw him to the wolves, literally.
The Index? Honestly, they did more at the end of this than I thought they were going to do.
Yeah, the fact that Soxia gets out somehow, not attacking any damage,
and if this pin lands, then your voidsphere probably lives.
Yeah, I guess the violence, it might be close, but...
That's a very close fight considering that Boomer half-aegis.
Well, it's not as one-sided as I thought it was going to be.
This game is very close. It's been close the entire time, still less than 1k difference.
It's gonna make you come down to how hard this Kez can scale into the clink, like who
can close the gap, can you stick on to him, what kind of stuns does your lion find on
the initiation, how much farm can Watson find in this game.
Good news for Yandex is the Void Spirit is quite farmed and did go the better build in
my opinion, even ahead of the monkey here.
So that's gonna be your extra scale in this game.
I think another tower with the shaman, so.
I think it's still going pretty smoothly here for Yandex. I think the onus is still on Bethboom to try and find some more action with either lying pickoffs or forcing true 5v5s.
Which we just haven't really seen yet.
That is where the Largo shines.
Which line up do you like better, Linky?
Probably Yandex's other than the Kez Factor.
Yeah, that's for me is the biggest problem, is that I think they have the better carry late game.
This is pretty nasty with the full slots.
Marcy Shaman, I would give an edge to Marcy Shaman over Warlock Lion though.
Yeah, but I also give like a lot of this late game, because you can't do so much damage,
but if he gets jumped, right, really bad.
And that's what Mars can give to you with late game fights, right, with the scythe and refresher build.
There's nothing to bail out of the chain stuff.
Yeah.
So that's a little concerning.
I think if you're buffing you do want to strike harder in this mid game, like you want to take the 35 to 40 minute period and win at the game in that time slot.
You can go late, but I think you would rather.
Notice.
Jump in from the voids period, already got hexed though!
It's a trouble!
Can they bail him out here, Jinger?
Kits off the disability.
He's okay.
Double DKB, beat use.
Notice pushing forward past the DKBs.
And isn't actually getting focused by that boom that boom too focused on retreating because they didn't feel like that fight was good
Man, it's your two-year cut so low off of that
It's just so tanky not easy target to bring down for them
You don't have a decimal out of these heroes, so even though he has limited armor
He's not getting a lot of it removed which is pretty nice for him in the physical burst scenario
That was a great bonds perfect move as well
Well, honestly a decent way to start the fight with Hex in the Void Spirit trying to haul
in him just couldn't capital it.
The Wukong's gonna get kited out and then the fight just kind of dissolves.
Did the Void Spirit have fatal bonds on him?
I believe he did.
So, right, cause he got...
So if they actually hit notice when they backed up, I think cheer junior does end up dying
to it.
I'm gonna be close either way.
He was like in that 5% territory.
But look at this now, E-index, they know some of these Ultron cooldowns, they're just making
Super aggressive move to this wisdom try
Yeah, that boom playing pretty defensive for this trying they brought many heroes of their own
They're gonna go for caretaged when he already peps the man to BKB
And he goes straight to work on the Watson Watson half HP now
GBK tried to jump on to him and the pick me up is not good enough to get him out of there
What a defensive play from that boom they read that one very nicely
Mars gets out, but
Very fast that's from say no spear goes off of that Mars because they just insta hexes to jump
Absolutely read perfectly. I even get the shaman on the other side of the map
Oh, he's a little heel Lincoln what no fingered it down
See collects another charge here
Praise for that
Very cool idea to play this defensively and let Yandex make this move with all the cool-downs
are probably not expecting that move to all be here like this, but they've played it
very well, very conservative.
Expect the move to come in and you just cannot escape all this physical chase down.
That is one thing that the Kez Monkey have going for it.
Yeah, they have so much innate gap close and chase to get on top of this Klingson falling
throughout a fight.
You're gonna need more defensive items here for Watson in this game.
absolutely need a hurricane pike might even need BKB or Lincoln's on top of it
butterfly would be nice but Clink's is not that natural with butterfly buyer
they're like you're feeling it now follow up with the stuns column drop just to
make sure the cheer junior is not getting away
kes factor starting to heat up here working towards butterfly and his own
would be incredibly strong with that window. And like you said, save setting up a lot around the map right now.
Game swings the other way. The index unable to find momentum with the clinks.
Struggling to stay alive against the pick-off around the map.
Ante-damage on the river. Someone wants to go try and find it.
I still think a lot of the Indexed Teamfight comes from them initiating, but they don't
have any real vision mechanics, and they don't have a lot of heroes that want to go in first
without getting hexed.
Like if you go in on Void's Peer of Mars, you don't have BKB, and you get hexed, that's
not going to be a good fight for you.
Man, notice this having such a rough game, net worth wise, but he's not gonna get any of those late game items you were talking about, and even his BKB is being significantly delayed.
That's Mars against Kez, you're never gonna have a good early game.
Yeah.
He's carrying around Gem right now, so trying to regain some map control does have a crimson.
That'll help a decent bit both teams with the Gem.
A triple BKB online for Beth Boomb in that butterfly coming out.
Four Kiritich. Their cores are super strong right now.
And it's another aggressive smoke.
They get to jump on a Kiritich! Kiritich is really fast with the DKBs right now.
It's always too fast for his own good. They didn't even get to jump on.
Yeah.
They just ran up saw the DKB, ran away.
So that is an unsuccessful smoke for Yandex, but they don't lose anything there.
Back to the axe over the Shiva's for Chirichunior.
It feels like, uh, this is, he's like, save as a problem.
Yeah, this is just for the lion warlock backline.
Maybe you get some value against the Largo, but again, TripleBKB already online for Pepoom.
Sags is not giving you almost any value against the KORs this late in the game.
Not sure if I like this too much.
If you can just pop the lion instantly, then it'll pay off.
How reliably can you do that, though?
Like, you're gonna get one surprise factor before Save knows about it, and then after
he knows about it, he can just play really defensive. And with the Bound of Strike, still
got the haste rune on Shira Junior, though. Butterfly, done for the Keds. Man, he is big.
Super Link's is not going to do much to him. No. Especially in a game where he has to
go at least the Hurricane Pike. Maybe EKD instead of the Hurricane Pike. I mean, that's
also fine here as a defensive item, but you're not going to have MKB for so long in this
I think he just still dies to Kez rushing, right?
He will.
A Falcon rush.
If the Kez gets involved with him, yeah.
There's a rebound for repositioning.
That's about it.
You're going to have to survive this BKB duration, which
is down to six seconds, so I need to consider here.
Well, notice finally got his BKB.
Now, I mean, it's so tough.
He's got such a hard job.
He was a hard lane.
And now he's got a gauge.
Every single time he wants to make a jump,
He probably has to pre-BKB, which, oh, you know, 100%.
Can't look really silly if he ends up BKB'ing and finding that the jump isn't really good.
Can't wait on these BKBs if you're in next.
You will get punished by save every time.
Have to be disciplined about it, they're going to smoke into the Bucks' team.
Bouncing BK in the trees here.
He turns around, found the strike on two, trying to get out of the Wukong's command.
With a little bit of trickery, he's okay for now.
Oh, notice, now Pops is BKB.
Pops, the arena, Spear doesn't do anything, and Kiritage is just going to work on him.
Pick me up, does get him away from him, but now Watson's the one in trouble.
They just have so much chase, Miro, look at him charging forward after the rest of Yandex.
They're just leaving Watson because they can't do anything to break this Betboom bomb.
That is supposed to be a great fight for Yandex.
And there's just nothing they can do. They can't stand their ground once these three
BKB heroes just charge them and they don't get the jump. That's the biggest thing there,
if you get a jump spot on the monkey, you just die. And that's a takeable play. But
the fact that these heroes can just pop BKB, you don't find them in the tree line. Once
again, it's that boom, ready for the move. Predicting that angle well. They're just too
You set up for this place.
Yeah, if I'm the index, I think I'm now making the call.
We can never be the ones running into Bed Boom.
We want to start the fight, but we
have to let them walk into us, because every single time
we try, it's just not working.
Or have higher-on vision.
It seems monkey king.
They're fighting in spots where you can't get a higher-on ward
or any sort of vision on GBK.
Makes the fight impossible.
He's just going to sit in the tree,
and what?
He's just going to try and blind arena?
Way too risky.
Yeah, but the save is literally going to backstab him here.
This new cars is bullwork backing up into him.
Oh yeah, if you want a high ground ward, doesn't mean you have to plant one and wait.
It's already a deal. Yeah, or go fight on a ward spot.
That boom significantly ahead now though.
It's gonna be a strong Aegis period for them.
There's your banner into the tower, push three and a half minutes on this Aegis, not something
you can ignore here.
Plus you're willing to give up a lot.
Kez takes building so fast, man.
I think they're gonna give this one up and see what happens,
because it's kinda awkward, right, if you're Bed Boom?
Mid-tier 2 is still up, so you could loop around and go to top.
But far more likely they back off,
pushing these other lanes.
Take that mid-tier 2 next.
Which, it does mean the Andix, they got a ward up here.
I can't fight the Kez right now, though.
I have to try and find anybody else in this game.
Yeah, wait for the Kez to slip by, and maybe some of the supports that follow him, you
can pick those off.
This is a really good ward, and I really want to use it.
Yeah, it's gonna be found, Gem.
On both sides, I believe.
Gem's not over there, though.
He's gonna stay up.
Oh, it's on Miro.
Oh, and GPK is the other Gem.
got from that last teamfight so very difficult to get any sort of vision right now and if I'll
bet them I'm just playing without wings. Five man with Kaz forced the high ground repeatedly
full state mechanic on Kiritich he is out of control. Notice he's gonna have to get some sort of
sick spear back into shackle and Kiritich has been so fast with the mantas and DKBs
They don't really have an instant stuff for saying they're gonna try and catch them off the red then here
Like if my water tax goes down pick me up trying to get him out of there a cost melody is life instead notice within the spear
These perhaps one and only opportunity to catch heritage there
It's just too fast
Yeah, it's easy to find a counter place when you can just sit this guy on the front line and nobody wants to touch it
He's already done the damage now, Miro's just gonna play his song, play out Yandex out of
this game.
Margo Dota right there
All eyes on the Kaz and he is just doing so much work
Decimating the heroes trying to escape the Kazota control
This way just over as a final song they are out man. Yeah, Dex
Loose this game against that boom. They're gonna go to 0 and 5 here
They're kind of just firing and it's not looking better. I don't think anything in this game looks better than what we saw yesterday
Maybe in some things worse, where as if they're starting to find a little bit of their groove,
I like that they went back for some of their classics.
I don't think they felt rushed at all in this game.
There were no pressure moves.
Nothing felt forced.
It was just very comfortable for them.
Very confident, playing their style, though, to scaling up their 1 and 2, letting save,
you know, drive the pick off game, choose one to fight.
And what impressed me most was they just felt like they were ready instead of for every
movie I've ever played in this game.
Where there was the bottom smoke on that tree line which he became breaking it the wisdom track plate with the instant hex on the Mars
The high ground push boys here goes in instantly hex. They're ready for this play
They're just reading what's gonna happen and whenever you can read what's gonna happen next
You're reacting incredibly fast doing the door to becomes very easy to play
So they were they were very comfortable in this game not a lot of pressure going into them and I think it shows
Absolutely, it's made a bet boom look like a damn good team this matchup against yandex
They take their first win of dream
Where was this bedroom for the past two days, this was clean
Especially after we had some skepticism after the first four kicks of the very draft
But then they picked a 24th pick a monkey king after seeing
Yandex's avoid spirits election and that just cleaned everything up. Oh
Milliseconds away from getting that cancel didn't matter though. We got the win anyway and
And a bedroom team put their first win on the board for this entire dream league.
Yandex however still remain fully winless.
After being the champions of the previous dream league, they are now 0-5 right now.
Thanks. We were chatting backstage about this and I find it hard when I see the draft panel to be like,
oh, what a misplay. Well, they should have picked this hero.
But as you watch the gameplay out, it occurred to me that the Monkey King picks, solved all of their problems against Yandex, who have these heroes that want to stand and fight in one place.
If Mars wants to put Arena down, he's not going to put the Arena down and go fight over there.
Clinkz wants to stand there, pew pew pew pew pew pew, and turret. He's not going to say, hey, let's take the fight over there. He wants to stand here.
And what was the other hero that wants to do that?
Cat of Shaman.
Shackles, snake, and then you just say, well, okay, but you're going to be doing this in a monkey arena
So you cool with that bunch of monkeys hitting you jump it up
Everywhere bananas everywhere for throwing poop out you now you're gonna fight in that the monkey enclosure at the zoo
I thought it was a great pick terrifying situation and
They just did some weird shit as well like beyond yeah, I mean he and X I know what's going on
They did look really good last week. There was some games. It's like, oh man, these guys are playing great
Something's up. They're just not feeling it. I have expectations for them
Yeah, also, maybe they were just super emo about get getting knocked out of blast or something. I don't know it could be
Lost in RV, right? So maybe they just said like, oh, we lost to children. So they just kind of those five games though
It was competitive series. They'll lost the loss the manner
shambles mentally
The only thing I can think of is just a wider oh and five right now Brian. Yeah, I mean
I was impressed by that boom as well. Like I think they made a lot of good moves. I think that the monkey King
Not only it's like a good lane pick against void spirit, but it is one of those games where if it's good in the lane
It solves the problem that you have at that stage of the game
And then it's good for all the reasons that Ted just said that that that takes like a lot of foresight from the team
So but going into that game
I actually want to talk about that foresight coming out from bad boom later on reading these smokes like I love cure
It's just instant BKB here because every play that Yandex was going for this game
Even though it doesn't result in a fight
They just could not find an opening and this is the one that like really put the nail in the coffin monkey king in the trees
As a tree gets initiated on to but gets the BKB off before the shadow shaman
This is what you were talking about period and the wukong comes out and they just completely have to
Separate on all sides Delta split on the side of the index
They use arena like defensively and then the golems controlling this area and they're just the ones getting ran down this Largo
With the Ag's BKB and the move speed for his team
There's just no such thing as running away from that and it just I felt like the story of the game for me was they never found like a single
Opening on the side of the index and I actually give a lot of credit to the bedroom for making that so difficult to find
And from the clips he showed us the fights tended to play out for a very long time
Yeah, you look at yandex's heroes that are really not that bursty
And if you don't have a very bursty lineup and you're playing against Largo and fatal bonds and Kev's
It's not going to be in your favor
But for me, this is when I think back then play the best
I really love this formula for them when they simplify their game plan, right? They see Largo
They're like we're going to pick this from Yaro. We're gonna have a playmaking hero and save that can later connect with GPK
and he's gonna hit a timing where we group up and go together, that's when they don't look lost.
That's when they look really good.
But I do think the key to that is picking a winning matchup mid for GPK.
As long as GPK wins this lane and safe can connect with them,
like we saw them do a couple of smokes together where they found clinks up in the jungle, for example.
If they're capable of that within their draft, they're still a really good team.
That has oftentimes been the story of all the bedroom rosters, like whether pure is there or not.
GPK is a maker-break factor for Batboom Team. If he is not succeeding, then Batboom Team
do not look that good. And then if he gets a good lane, and he gets good conversions,
then he's like the best mid in the world.
Agreed. And to me, he should be the last pick player in that draft. Like, if they want to
secure a lane, it should always be that one. So long as you can pick this Largo as Kiro
for Amiero, where he can just get an aura and play on that timing, that's where they
should assign their priority, in my opinion.
I agree.
I also want to say that I think Yamix did some boo-boos of their own.
The biggest boo-boo was, and then we had a good reaction show of Sax would be like,
Oh, they just stood under the mid-tier one and just got rocked.
Like, well, it's just like, okay, boom, fatal bombs.
And they're just like, oh, yeah, it's like they forgot that that was a thing in the game.
And they were just, you could see Sax was like, you could see him thinking, what are we doing?
Which is here it is
Kaboom everybody's done. So like that's that's a big booboo. That's two supports
They're up on kills things are maybe not looking that bad
Maybe you hadn't gone perfectly, but it's like oh, we're taking the tower group up would do some cool shows
I'll wait now. We're all dead. Yeah, the way they grouped up basically implied
They thought that the boom couldn't do anything about right what they're doing
But they have two of the most powerful support ultimates at that stage of the game. So a little bit of overzolsterness
Perhaps maybe all the clips I showed going into the series were in the mid lane
They look really indecisive there and that's kind of the part of the map where if a fight's gonna happen
All the all the visions available the spells are gonna get casted and so it's
What I'm trying to say is that it's not as clear cut on paper how fights play out in the sidelines
I sometimes it's who jumps who and what angle do you get on people?
But I feel like in the mid lane fights are kind of just it's all in the open
Yes, and it's like all you have to do is play the theoretical game there.
So something about Yandex's calibration, yeah, it does feel a bit off.
That's an interesting thing to bring up, because when we did see successful support movements
from Yandex, which we did see in the early game, it was always on the sidelines.
Yeah.
Like it was box of tipping tops, and the melody tipping bottom, for example.
That's when they were owning, right?
But when they went mid, maybe you should kind of avoid that.
Yeah, I feel like they think they can outplay them or something.
And then like Ted said, it's just like, okay.
Okay, boom.
Yeah, exactly, it could be, those early rotations were really good from Yandex, so I don't know,
it's some weird combination of map movement.
You know, it could make a very weird military analogy.
Go for it, yeah.
So the equivalent here, Neil, would be the Vietnam War between America and North Vietnam,
not between France and Vietnam.
There's a different kind of warlock in line, or just in the trees?
So, they were playing when they were hunting in the trees and the jungle and the tight
paths.
Yeah.
It may be well-walked paths, but you can come from anywhere, surprised at any moment, an
ambush, a brawl in the jungle.
That was where they were stronger.
Once they took the flight into the open field, they were up against the might of America's
artillery and air power.
They couldn't stand it.
That's what happened.
They should have stayed in the jungle, should have taken that guerrilla flight, but instead
They fought a monkey war. Never fight a monkey war. Never.
Never fight a land war in Asia either.
Lessons to be taken.
You are such a dad.
Oh, this reminds me of the Vietnam War.
They're fighting a monkey war.
They're gonna fight a monkey war.
We're gonna let's know, Yandex still can take a helicopter out of here
because they are only down one game in this G2 game match.
Hopefully they can recover, otherwise they're gonna go down 0 and 6
At the end of the series, we'll see if they can make that comeback after the break.
to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway.
You hold our future in your hands.
I hope we make it longer than a day.
I can't help showing my emotions.
I've got to be a little more discreet.
If you feel a fraction of affection,
then come and sweep me off with more feet.
We could just solve all this confusion
We could sort it out
Get through this situation
No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me
That you think everything's going fine
You sure got a funny way of showing it
So this is where I draw the line
We could just solve all this confusion
We could sort it out
But through the situation
No more hesitation
No more hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in the world
That we're in the world
Don't say sorry for who you are And let's apologize when we get to know
I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
Unless apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
That we're in love
Yeah!
All right!
Touch me and you'll play the phone
You know I'm your heart's desire
Come too close and you'll get burned
Guess that's just a lesson learned
Give me what you got
You don't know the music that you've heard
Just stand right up
Give me your feeling
Won't you ever let it stop
Just stand right up
Just stop me up
Give me the rush
Just stop me up
Give me my time
Just stop me up
I want the rush Just drop me up
Cause I'm on time All right, give me magic, God
Cause I'm music, look you up Give me magic, God
Don't you ever know
She's got me
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back down sequel?
When the beat's this tough, I'll tell my little brother
Kiss him, kiss him, kiss him
Welcome back friends to a dream league featuring arts and crafts
What does oomg and signal mean?
Huh?
It means missing the input
Oh, no, a TV's broken.
Sorry, I'll just have to imagine what we're seeing.
I'm imagining what you're creating right now. What have you done there, Ted?
Ow!
I have tied my t-shirt from the bottom left to the top right.
Okay.
And then you dye each of these sections, and then when you untie it, it should have an interesting design.
Correct.
That's my hope. Actually, what I've actually done, Neil, is I've made a, what's called
an escape rope.
That's what it looks like.
And if they don't let me out after the second series, I start tying this in sections to
the top of one of the windows here, and then I can crawl out and escape from the dream
building.
Just quietly step-by-step down the wall.
Exactly right.
I look forward to that. If anyone's curious what we're doing, we're making tie-dye shirts
as the assignment for today. You at home are going to be able to vote whichever morning
shift or evening shift ends up my morning shift. Just imagine it's a very rainy day.
It's a weekend. Mama bored. She's like, well, Christ, somebody gave you for one of your
birthdays this stupid tie dye kit. I guess we could do that. Yeah, that sounds great.
Yeah. And then immediately regrets bringing dye into the house for children to play with.
It's going to get messy. So we're not going to paint it right now. We're going to paint
it at the beginning of the next series. Right now we're just creating the patterns and Mira
As created a rocket ship. What did what did I'm doing the bullseye, but what do I do with this bit teddy bear?
What do you mean this bit here? There's a bunch of different patterns that we can create. Yes, I created a spiral you created a spiral
I would get two bands for this. Oh, no three we can make
Spirals or so this is the entire time I kept these are the different types of things
You can make stripes. He doesn't we can make a bullseye mirror made a bullseye
I'm just gonna separate we can also make I did the spiral
We patch these, we can make it, we can make it almost down to the next story.
You climb down that mirror.
Rapunzel, Rapunzel, give me your tie-dye.
Let me see your spiral, Brian.
Do I have to tie this, but is this?
No. Well, you could.
But there, when you have to put a color in each thing.
Fortunately, it's very durable.
5 second rule?
Yes.
It kind of looks like a flower.
It looked even earlier and then I dropped it.
If you do wear this, they do arrest you on the street because they just make a fair assumption.
You can't be of any good with that.
We also swapped out the colors.
Myra has rescued paint from the night shift color.
And so night shift is going to have to make tie dye out of violet, purple, navy, blue, cherry, peach.
All sounds good so far, but then also coffee black and gray. Yeah, good luck with that
I didn't want to backseat you guys too much. So I was like
I only contact eyes on one color, which is pink. I don't think pink should be given away in a tie-dye contest
I think pink's the worst color there. What do you make of it?
I think in a tie-dye contest, it's one of the most used colors alongside purple
So like giving it away feels insane, but I didn't back sit the rest. I only changed the one color
Why didn't we do it in true Jota spirit where there were like picks and bands?
I think we would but they're not here would would pink be first pick first
band on mirror actually think yellow is first pick first
yeah I'm tired I'm even worse color pink yellow kind of tie that's really bright
agree this color combining together like a second around solid light
but pink is definitely up there like a tree and protector band you have to
make sure that's out of the pool why is he like mega band his landing stage is
Just from the punch. He's an Invis guy that hits for 97-grammeters or something. It's just pretty stupid.
Just get a calling blade.
Sure.
Put down all the trees.
Both get calling blades.
That is unironically good advice.
I'm not even kidding. That is literally what we do.
You do have to do that.
Yeah, you chop down all the trees and he's just these...
What does he protect him? Protect that, you bitch.
Protect the bare ground.
Although I believe he still has an innate which makes trees grow back faster.
That was one of the fake facets that I ran by the pros.
You get a fake, fast content piece.
And one of them was that if Trin is in the game,
trees will just randomly sprout from the ground,
even in places where there wouldn't normally be a tree.
That's definitely fake.
Like reforestation of the Dota map.
So you'd be walking around and suddenly there's a tree
in the middle of mid.
There's never been a river.
There's just a tree.
I thought that would be amazing.
That's a good idea.
Fake, unfortunately.
And regardless, he is banned up along with Jekiro, Batrider,
Shadow Demon and Gyrocopter, Yandex, they take out Beastmaster, Abaddon, Warlock, Tusk, and Ursa.
First picked themselves a Shadow Fiend, that Boon respond with a Wind Ranger and a Marseille.
Can we get back to the previous... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Can we get back one player cam?
Neck... That one. What is going on with that ceiling?
What is that?
That's a good question.
I think that flat looks like it folds down.
It looks like the lid of a piano.
It does actually. In fact, the curtains look like the strings inside a piano. I think he's inside a piano
He's currently inside a piano. Do you think he was like walking down the street and the piano fell on his head?
And he just that's his reality. Well, this is where I live now. Yeah, well, I could see that
So Yandex have actually got three of the most heavily contested players of late SF underlord and clockable scene a lot of play
very very very strong lads
Underlord in particular is quite the scary hero, it feels like.
From the games that I've seen, he seems to reach this unkillable point, where he's just beyond tanky.
And the carry picks that are in Nara that punish him are usually like SF or Ursa.
Ursa is not available, right, because he took the first pick on Ranger, which is most likely your carry.
And you have SF with your Underlord. So you know that this guy's going to have a good time in this game.
Yeah, stats based like right-clicking ranged heroes have always been weak in lane versus underlord. That's his bread and butter
Oh, I've got a bone to pick with ESL. Yeah, I thought I'd brains it here a great platform for life
That's what I thought now that they can't stop me. I was I was well with last time I was here
We did a photo shoot for the new merch. Yeah, you remember that?
And I said to them why the hell you get me to put this on and take pictures
You're never going to use him. You don't want some fat old fart that's bald and some are very kindly said
Oh, no, no, we want all body shapes and sizes. Don't worry yours will definitely be used and I was like
Well, that's kind of a back-handed compum, but I'll take it not one picture of me anywhere
We're in the merch just saying I was correct. I could have had the afternoon without having my picture taken. You didn't need it
I did get some free clobber out of it, so I can't complain
But it did make me laugh and I was like you will not use this. Why would you?
No one's gonna look wow. I really want to wear look terry's wearing they didn't listen to me
You know it doesn't need clothes though enigma cuz I
You got to get them young comment like today's a guy's
An interesting hero here because I think the concept outside of just having
an aura buyer of your own and being a Miro hero is that the Midnight Pulse versus the
Underlord. Like, just a means to kill this incredibly tanky hero. That's a very interesting
concept.
I actually, I think the most important part about this conceptual counter to Underlord
is, Underlord is the King of Circles and you just picked two heroes with very strong
circles.
Do the Cogs count as a circle or not?
I guess so.
It's Circlish.
Yeah, it's like, it's a, I think it's sort of obelisk.
Oh, I think it's all blades here right?
So is a big circle void spirit has a lot of stuff. Yeah, he has multiple circles. Yeah
Wendy and Marcy so far the only non-circles this draft is going full circle any
Make they make a very good point right cuz you have to make a terrible point mirror
But what I mean is that when you look at all of this ground
targeted abilities are like
Chaos in the environment you have to think about how enemy heroes are able to like approach that or you have to think about yourself as a
Team how do we play against this well black hole is difficult to navigate
You already kind of have a solution with a ranged carry that late game can maybe five shot him and a black hole if he's not inside of it
Whereas like for that boom it's like okay
How are they gonna play versus the pit of malice and the requiem and the power cons disruptor does not comfortably play or itemized against
things like this. Neither does support Marcy. It's gonna be the BKB Windranger who has, like,
free movement versus Andex, but it'll take a while for her to get there too. So it looks
quite difficult for a best friend to fight Andex, don't you think?
I did think the point of the disruptor is if Undelord tries to join a fight through his
portal, you just send him back and fuck him. Like, that's pretty much... Oh, you brought
some friends? Cool, we'll fight them, but you can pay so.
the aura carrier that would be a concern and other draft gets rounded out with a
muerta
this is what comes back and you just go back in the portal you're a little late
but you got a means to re-enter you know what it's like it's like the
camera on the Game Boy Advance you could there was a there was a camera app on
the Game Boy Color maybe it was the Game Boy Color it's like the worst
There's like three pixels.
That's what those webcams look like.
And on the top of the circles, another one has been added with the calling.
It's actually going to be really hard to navigate.
They bank monkey. That's a big circle.
They need to pick another circle.
It doesn't really fit their draft.
Ah. Coil.
Yeah, that's a circle.
And fire circles at you as well.
Who's the roundest hero?
It's Io.
It is.
You'd have to pick Io.
I'm assuming you're not using the companion cube?
You're not going to use the I-O.
I-O Marcy is a bit of a classic, but...
That'll be of Marcy as the carry.
Yeah.
Let's see.
I-O Marcy with I-O, mid-Wendy, off-lane enigmatic disruptor.
I'm not saying I like it, I'm just saying that's how you could work a circle.
That's how you circle max.
Yeah.
Circle maxing.
What?
Sorry, this is going to sound like the most...
Me were already correctly pointed out I am such a dad.
What the fuck is Lux Maxing?
What does that specifically mean?
Just looking, just dressing nicely and doing your hair and shit?
Yeah.
It's not a bad thing.
I think it's like a more skeleton structure kind of thing.
But how can you max your skull?
You're fucked if you got a bad skull, like I'm sorry.
You can try it.
This is why you'll never make it as a fashion influencer, so...
You gotta...
It's just such a good term, but I thought it was just kind of a joke.
Oh, it's real.
It's so real.
You've been ewing this whole time, I know you have.
Last pick, Ember Spirit.
They have absolutely no way to deal with this hero.
They have the roots for Underlord, I guess, later.
He got the silence from Mu-Lanta.
I mean, the only concern is Beb-Boom being able to fight into all the stuff I think Mero was saying.
Just like so many circles on the ground, so many auras from Underlord, SF clicking people.
I don't know what these... I think they're going to have to play the map better on Beb-Boom team.
Because it's hard for Yandex to get pickoffs.
Like, they don't really have the best ways of killing these cores on the map,
but in fights, I feel like it's really hard for Beppu to approach them, so...
I just think they're gonna have big damage issues.
Like, outside of the Midnight Falls blockhole plays,
it'll take a really long time to kill anybody because of the Underlord,
and while Ember does look good on paper,
I don't really think he's gonna give them the damage that they need.
They're just gonna have to play off of his snowball in early game tempo, which can be interrupted pretty easily,
But that would definitely be their entry point into the game.
The two supports plus Ember trying to make as much of an early game as possible
before Yandex gets to the unkillable stage later on.
How's the matchup Void vs. Ember there?
Very skill-based, but I mean, I feel like Ember just does better in most matchups.
Because he just farms, he's pretty chill.
Yeah, Quinn was saying that they both farm, but Ember does more with that than Void Spirit does.
Which the Dota Bluff actually backs that up because Void Spirit's fifth worst matchup
is in person in the entire season all-time worst. Yeah. Ask him for a friend. All-time worst void
spirit? Actually, I don't remember. I was just only looking at Ember. I can let you know later.
Yes, please. You can look that up. I can ask our cast here something in the meanwhile.
Kat, what's your what's your shoe size? 12.
I'm assuming that'll be the large. You gotta tie dice in socks. We gotta bring you into the
craft participation. You're saying that you're agnostic and I'm about to make you find religion
in the form of tie-dying socks, so...
What if I won a shirt instead?
Yeah, we should have been a panelist.
I'm afraid you're a sock, man.
I don't want a sock!
That's what he gets.
Who's the second-rate shit, man?
What are these second-rate casters
that you're about to listen to?
It's one big game, number two.
It's that boom team versus the undead.
That's just right, apologies everybody, Stunt's panic stickerin' will join you for the third
I'm gonna push you, but for now, you'll just have to deal with this.
Why did I even get home-tied? I didn't even stay home-tied.
Okay, you won socks? Is that what you're saying?
All these socks? What's wrong with socks?
Would you rather have a t-shirt?
I'll take anything.
Life's rough out here. You gotta take what you can get out.
Yeah, what's so rough about your life?
I had to play Dota North America for my career.
That's true. That does leave some long-lasting scars.
Well, we'll see how Betboom, fair, in a second matchup against Yandex.
They already won the first game. Can they get a second win, or is Yandex going to break their losing spree?
They're currently on.
It looks pretty good for them. They have Shadowfiend Underlord. I'm not betting against that, man.
Yeah, once again, it feels like their heroes are a little bit more meta.
For sure. Betboom going their own style again, just trying to find a bit of their own way in this patch.
in this patch. And maybe that'll work then, because as Dave said in the interview, they're
struggling a little bit, so sometimes just going back to your roots can help you find
some identity to make the game more comfortable to play. I think it does look like quite a
good Ember Spirit game, I think GpK should be able to go pretty ham here.
Yeah, see what they can pull off with this Enigma Mars healing as well. There's another
kind of classic lane that Dave knows how to play super well. Miro's very comfortable
on it. Normally I expect the execution to be very high, but the idle on is in the kill
threat and pulling people into it and all that nonsense. In theory it can be a good
lane against FESF a little bit too, so I think that's going to have some cool stuff going
forward in this game. They can execute it, it could be super powerful. If they miss
some of the black holes or some of the rebounds aren't right there, they don't land some
shackles. I think the 5v5s become really difficult because the index of the T-fight is insane.
Do you think that's something that they took from game 1?
They just wanted to make sure they had the better team fight?
Maybe, yeah. I think they really had issues finding openings in terms of jumping the enemy,
and then if you can't get that initiation, they did not have the better straight 5 on 5.
So maybe here they're saying, yeah, maybe we won't be able to jump you foot.
We're just going to have overwhelming auras in circle control behind the shadow beam.
Which is always a good strat trying to throw them into the add-ons, but they didn't get it.
I'm gonna throw Malady into the add-ons.
Oh, and he pauses on him.
Notice paused on Malady?
Yeah, Malady said pause for me.
I DC'd, that's why I got tossed there.
Like...
What is that bird above the carriage hitch?
That's part of the set, is it?
Yeah, it's a little bird that perches on your shoulder, and then you shoot an arrow,
I don't play when you're at a stand.
It's because you play low skill heroes.
You're a low skill man.
If you know, we play many of the same heroes.
That's not even true.
What?
We don't have any overlap, okay?
Don't learn me in with your, your low skill lifestyle, with your socks.
What? I don't want the socks.
You want the socks.
Well, you're getting the socks.
So I'm not taking the socks.
Except the socks.
Little attempt here might be enough. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Plenty.
You can't really get repainted like that.
First blood for notice. He had himself a very good under-award game earlier in the tournament.
They did not win that game, of course, since they have no wins, but he was looking really good for the first 15 minutes of that.
Yeah, he was. And this is also a nice little change from game 1,
Game 1, because last time he was having a play, Mars vs. Kez, which we've all seen, that is a very bad, bad matchup.
And then, he was playing Mars against the Lion, where every single time he tried to initiate, he got hexed instantly.
Completely ruined his game. And this is definitely a look at the game. He's going to have a much better time.
That was very tough. Maybe the one thing you have to worry about is getting glooms out of fights, like if you date into the fight and you get glooms back and you have to go through again,
You can maybe miss your moment a little bit, but otherwise it's a very good onboard game.
You're not worried about too much here.
Yeah, far more standard would be like somebody on your team gets clumped back when you try and bail them out with the gate in.
Sure, I think once you get tags, it's gonna be annoying for the Winter Ranger Ember to play the map.
You just get globally pitted into whatever kind of like hook shot silence from the more the
Pull from void spirit. I think the unrollered axe looks like the scariest item for that boom to have to deal with this game
It's got a jump pull back into the idol ones big damage out of Watson
They're gonna turn back around so you think you killed Miro. It's not looking good for Watson
He will definitely go down malady. Meanwhile the battery is also being soaked up by so many different things
He's gonna go what boy he got him. How did he get that final hit in look at me? Like what?
How did he get a hit in after he died?
Frame perfect right click. I guess so
The man exists past death. Just don't understand like through his gauntlet Adam. That is a little weird
Not no XP for it, but he right clicked him
Very interesting Gabe Newell and fell software calm everybody sent him an email
Ask for an explanation, get back to us.
The power of this enignolink.
I get throwing these idol ones. I think Watson had to just turn and raise earlier there
and take the fight. Might have ended up better.
Oh, big kill, Keratich. Dines in the other side. I'm like, I'm not expecting them to get killed in this line.
Got rooted into the fear, back into the root.
There's a very good Moritzus energy in this line. I like this pick.
I think it's still a kind of underutilized hero. Her spells are very strong. You just,
You need other heroes to kind of synergize with you so that her spells work,
which a lot of times it's like, I don't want to pick a support that I need to enable with cores.
Generally, it's not a great principle in Dota.
Yeah.
But I think this is one of the few that it can kind of justify just because...
She's so powerful.
Like, she turns some of these heroes into absolute lockdown monsters.
The clock and underworld are such a big threat in this game.
Yeah, when you were talking about it earlier, the circles, I was like,
man, this is going to be one of the most effective calling games I've ever seen.
You're inside a cogs, you're inside a pit, you're being pulled in by remnant, like, and the calling is just hitting you the entire time.
It will be a...
...death trap to get up in there, ooh!
They just walked into the cogs here, this is the cogs!
The cogs being bounced around, they do manage to get out with the pick-me-up, but only one of them survives.
Miro dies inside, now the glum's back on the SF to make sure that Marcy gets away.
Socks that deadshot in a second here, let's see if he can get a deadshot that really pushes
Katomi straight into Lonson, beautiful.
Destropped her innate, kind of working against them there
to help Lonson set up the spacing for the races.
Nice little cog play.
Malady kind of using the aggression
from Beth Boomer on this lane against them
as they try and push in with the idle on his edge gate.
Straight caught in the cogs,
socks in the right place at the right time,
now maybe even considering contesting this wisdom
trying to come in a pretty soon.
They got a haste through it on the voids of your mid.
So the fact that Chiro Jr. got that over GPK means he could run and contest the Wisdom Shrine
whereas this Ember is going to be kind of low resources.
So there's also a big deal on the map right now.
So have you overextended bottom Watson? He's just going down here.
Yeah, Watson's just going to do what damage he can't even...
Oh my god, mini raised there.
Plus raised to hit the Eidolons.
Finding over still this Wisdom Shrine potentially, Chiro Jr. does show up with that hasteroon
and that boomer going to have to give this up.
So, are you gonna get it on the other side?
Unlikely, when Ranger fighting into an Underlord,
that's not gonna happen.
They're just gonna have to get this up
unless they're willing to dive some heroes into this
and they're gonna be walking into Cogs,
trying to get inside, they do this, get inside.
Now they have to win the fight, though.
It's a tough one.
They still have the other guy to block right now.
It's a 2v2, now it's 1v2,
with the calling still going out.
Chiro Jr. gives up on this.
He's gonna ashel step away.
Man, GBA just goes in.
And then with the rebound, kinda pulled everybody out.
So they end up getting that Wisdom Shrine on to save.
He gets two kills out of that.
Super nice sequence for him.
Even with the Hacer on the Void Spirit, they're able to contest that eventually with Ember
getting there in the nick of time.
Well played, by the boom, to establish a rough situation with that power room differential.
Something out of nothing didn't even have the blight because Keratin showed up here, right?
He's got to go back through the gate if he wants to get back to lane so they instantly catch him
Malady accidentally clicks the gate there for a second, but that almost ruined that still catches him
He almost didn't get the clogs off because he's going to the gate. Yeah
So that would that almost backfire terrible. That's the power calling in this game
Mercy if you get is not jumping here. I think this is
Unfavorable tree for the boom. Yeah, that's a play from him
Rebound looks like they tossed everybody there.
Yeah, I think the Disruptor passive went off at the same time.
Battle Spishy.
Well, they'll lose Malady again, bottom.
As Beth Boomb is going to try and defend top, they do have a cleanse here in 8 seconds.
It's constantly calling for the silence. So much damage being done!
Jeez, he's almost nice again, man!
They're all gonna get killed here, these guys.
He's too beefy, man.
And coming in on the other side,
we do a cheer, Junior.
Trying to catch all these low health heroes.
Climbs back, notice.
Doesn't mention get off the firestorm.
It does not do quite enough damage
to run the just shy of catching Katoami.
Does he actually get out of here, man?
See if he can juke it out.
Oh, play right.
Sits up on the high ground, drops a ward.
He's away.
And they got nothing out of that.
That's wild.
three heroes that all could have died there, but...
Big question is, can the index defend against these idols?
Looks unlikely. They don't have a lot of early clear form.
Yeah, it's kind of just Underlord. You want to stick Underlord into that.
And this is a great Legion Shield hero.
Oh, yeah. One of the better ones in the game.
I still see him that much. I'm still convinced this item is, like, broken.
It seems very strong relative to the rest of the world.
There's always one or two.
Something's gotta be the best.
Unless you're all equally garbage.
I think that would be Cinderin's preference.
Yeah, he does hate neutrons.
The lower impact they are, the better.
Reach and rune for Chira Junior.
Another very even game, very stable even.
No crazy moves between these two teams.
Even the cheery junior gank is ganking a helmet on creep, not a hero, plus a hundred though.
Not too bad.
It might just be a defensive game for me, and it's kind of been their style as a band.
They also have the underlord for the counter plays, and they have a bunch of heroes that
just want to farm on play.
When you have Shadowpeed, I don't think you have to make too many moves.
Just let the SF get formed, protect him.
Scale him into that mid-lake, where you're getting Roshan's and Aegis' on him, and you just blend shots at everybody.
There will be some pressure on Beth Boob to get a little bit done here with the Ember as we go into this mid-game.
Not a lot of power runs for GBK, no earn charges yet.
I'm gonna get something going with him. You have Static Storm to do it, so you're gonna instantly look for the play I like this.
Trying to find a quick pick off doesn't have to be game-breaking. Just gotta be real quick cuz the mid lane pushed in
So kind of ruins this they run to the clockwork the same time though
Maybe trading out support still got him on the remnant to pull back the disruptor
Malady cannot seem to shake. Oh, maybe he does with the hookshot actually the sounds going on trying to push it back into the
Calling it was close
But he got out of the calling and gets back to his remnant
Yeah, GBK lucky to get out of that.
Yeah.
That was a death trap that this is what this line of supposed to do.
You run into them, the index, they just bring everybody to this higher-up fight.
GBK probably is, you know, it's like, come on guys, just let me get one support kill.
I don't want to fight you.
I just want some burn charges, but nothing is easy in this one.
It's going to look top.
This is another tanky boy though.
Vanguard Underward is a lot of bonus damage right now.
Got him on the shackle.
That's going to help out a lot.
the remnant trying to chase after Kiriti.
Jotah's back on him.
He's making on people, man.
He's going to kill the Marci here, turn some of that damage background on GPK, he tells
what he can't before he goes down.
He did get a dominating kill streak out of that.
So trade off has got to feel pretty good for Bat Boom, at least the cores, not so much
the supports, who looks like maybe they both die, can't tell me, no, he's chilling, it's
out, he's chill.
main drop saving lives out here. And the little charm, the other OP tier one and wild item.
That one's good. So they probably get a power run on GPK. That's a nice one as well. And
the amp damage, you can finish up the vessel here. He will be quite formidable around the
map. You have the enigma who can join those fights as well. It could be a nice little
pressure point on mid if you can bring the enigma mid. Finish up the drum here. You'll
have drum, dom, plus amp damage vessel. You take a fight off that. You're super strong.
you'd like to get more of that going because Watson went untouched in that entire sequence
and starting to pull ahead here, he will farm faster than the Winter Ranger, especially
in this portion of the game.
What do you think about Earn to Vessel by the way?
Do you think you should always level up Earn to Vessel or is there some games you should
not do that?
It's a pretty damn good upgrade.
Okay. Do you agree with your junior not upgrading his earn to a vessel?
Because it looks like he wanted to just go earn and then to yours.
I don't know.
It's not super value against BedBoom's lineup.
No, but it does a lot of damage.
It scales percentage based.
The recipe is not...
It doesn't feel bad expensive when you buy it.
I feel like I'm always upgrading it, but...
You know, just old school, you know?
Tossed him out of the power shot. Not to find his combination, but he's gone no matter what.
So is that amped damage best of timing? Someone who is going to die to this.
And it's...
Well, time too could be 14 minute wisdom shrine to deal.
Notice, he's backing away. He's going to challenge this as his team comes in.
GPK doesn't opt to sit inside the shrine. He wants to kill more.
Tier Junior has to try and help out. Hookshot comes in for the side.
It's same time as a requiem. Chaining up the Disaples. Oh, we got away.
No, no, the Rended! He went to the wrong Rended!
He went to the Rended right next to the SF. They do have the Black Hole to kill Watson here.
Watson's Death Requiem will take out the Marcy, two cores for a core, and a support.
TP in from Soxa, back-to-back deaths for him as he's landed dead right into the static storm.
Uh, very weird game for Soxa.
Overall, four deaths here. Probably not feeling great about it, especially after that.
Wisdom Shrine did go back booms away. They still get the better of this exchange.
They get the big SF kill able to put the black hole to use
As you said a little maybe miss remnant usage from GPK
Somebody had to take the brunt of this
Thunderlord is just smacking people's game. He noticed it's not gonna back down
Cognitive fear and he jumps back and then back in
Yeah, I wonder if he's a god that he put a remnant there. That's what it kind of felt like
life. So I think he just goes back to the back when he can go to the base. Throw another
one, come back. Still a pretty good fight for Pepper. Yeah, absolutely. You get some big,
big hits out of that. It gets to what you were talking about, of the fighting around
these islands right now. Back to miniature junior. Oh, starting to pick up the pace here.
Yeah, time and after more Soxa, nice dodge.
Chase after him with the bullet glimpse and the pick me up, they'll get him either way.
Back to back to back, desperate Soxa.
He's spending more time dead in this last minute and a half than he's been alive.
He's very disconnected for Yandex, this is how it's felt the whole event.
They're just not taking cohesive engagements, people are getting picked off, but boom, taking
advantage of it right now just running the map with the ember. So power the
line-up they can start running you down one by one you're getting glimpsed back
you're fighting into italons the Marci can chase you down the ember can
chase you down you're never getting away from this line-up so you really have to
be careful how much ground you give them.
Trying to get a simple pick-off on say this not so easy here this hill they
can't even seem to get it okay they get them off the rocket flair it seems
Malady gets that one, but trading off Chirichunor obviously not worth it.
GPK is still fishing for more kills.
Gonna land in this balance multiple times here.
Pushback by the Cogs, but they just can't do anything.
Past that. GPK actually still chasing for them here.
They had the Requiem. GPK should've used his kill himself. He did.
I mean, they got the kill on Malady, but...
Not worth.
Not worth at all.
Ted shot attempted Katomi.
He's gonna fish for a spot to TP out from.
Kids behind the trees, and...
No pit!
That was slow there.
Notice gets the big pickup on the ember though, that's a huge deal.
It felt like the index needed something in this game.
Just gets the right click GBK down, that was probably very satisfying.
There's a lot of full crimson on this on rewards.
Pretty strong if he joins a fight, he was hesitating whether he wanted to join that based on how it looked at the start, which was not great.
Oh, no. Once again, Miro's enigma is, um, mannish, man. He's just has so many Idle Ones
out. He got the first round of Idle Ones to split and then had another round of Idle Ones
to kill the SF. Shackle Shot, nice play for Jaratish. Lining that one up. Big kills right
now. Abusing the discord nation from the index. Just finding these pickoffs. Great setup
with the Marci Bottom. The combo's just been super effective for Beth Booth.
Continue to play through GPK more than the Andex are playing through their Void Sphere.
Dude, did not go the Vessels we talked about. He's just not that strong on the map.
He's not offering you that much threat or damage.
I think this build has not paid off at all.
See how much work GPK has done. Even with some awkward deaths,
he's still just controlling the game a lot better.
There's too much threat on these lanes right now.
It's a little two or three-man kill combos.
You're keeping your supports into extra depth out here. They're not accomplishing anything trying to bail these heroes out.
And all of a sudden Todd now works in this game?
Enigma
6 and 3 pipe done drum done
He has some good oras to contribute to this game. Yeah, it's funny. I thought that the
it was going to swing Yandex his way with the Crimson Guard pickup, but
But now that Miro is so far ahead, he's got a pipe on top of it.
Crimson Guard might stop some of the damage from these Atalons and stuff, but, you know,
pipe!
That's gonna stop almost all the damage from the end.
Super good pipe game.
Only the SF can punch through it here.
Uh, just concerned for Chira Jr. out of everybody here.
He's really poor, but just seems off for it.
Like this has just been an off tournament for him.
I'm not sure what this build really is like. What are you doing running around
with an earn of 20 minutes? Going into ULZ? You're not gonna do any damage. Not sure
what he's really gonna accomplish in the fight. Who are you threatening and what
is your purpose? Are you just... I'm gonna cancel Black Hole and hope my ass
of carries the game.
Setting up for tour mentor, that boom gets them aggressive warts down, a little bit de-wording,
and head up to the corner where they will be entirely uncontested.
No way to fight this.
Blackhole's coming up soon, just to make sure it has way too many early orders.
So you get the charge?
Oh, let's see. Look at that reward.
Interesting to go through the gate, but the clockwork was sitting there on the other side.
And Bedboom, no, they've been spotted.
They may still catch Soxa just because he's slow?
Yeah, he's gonna walk into a ward here, get glimpse back.
Their reach is insane with this lineup.
Yeah.
The top smoked the land and they still land it with considerable ease just because the
range of pullback here with a blink disruptor that's early in the game might just even
roast right now and why not? I don't think you really want to try and chase heroes around
this map too much. You know, really fast to cure to cheer. Just an extra bodyguard damage,
playing into it with early meal and your drum on top of that. Very solid single target physical
person. The index in trouble right now. Yeah I'm looking at their items, scrolling through
seeing like what item is going to come up that changed the game for them because I don't
really feel like it does too much for Cheer Junior. The axe, you might get to it on the
end of Lords. It still weighs away but even if it gets to it you kind of need the damage
to back it up and Void Spirit isn't providing you with that damage right now. The SF's farm,
well he's doing alright, he's kinda keeping up with the Winter Ranger despite the multitude of deaths.
Jere Jr. chasing out Takataomi, glimpsed back on a notice. Notice who gets here though with the pit?
On a Kiritage, Kiritage, half HP. Jere Jr. with the Disimulate, almost finished him off and there goes
that agent. So okay, Jere Jr. now the quest is get out. Well he's not getting out, he is stuck.
And Malady is going to pay the price for trying to watch!
As is thought.
Can't escape from this.
Yeah.
Once you're in a fight, you're in there, you're sacrifice yourself here.
It was like, you take ages away, it was a nice use of the ULZ,
before this Winter Ranger has BKB.
Steaming Watson doesn't go down here, maybe they're kind of okay with this trade,
given how strong Sage's trade was.
Look at the haste, Rincewall. I mean, you have to get the Unduler Rags here, you have to get to...
Some of the rest of it in Hurricane Pike, PKB, whatever it is, but you're still going to be lacking a lot of damage.
So a black hole available to link online from your own means. It's a big threat in these fights, and the Shiva's pretty much done here for GPK.
It's flying out, I believe. Yes, though. He's mega strong on the frontline. Not going to go down too easily anymore.
Which should set up for some of the other damage dealers to come into that fight and clean up some big targets.
Got them on the ULT's run mid-play. They've got the follow-up of the AGs under lords, pushing them into the calling.
He's got a BKB though, and they'll pop that now. Underlord trying to get back through the gates.
That's not going to work against the... Okay, they jumped in with a hookshot.
Snogra has his BKB, can they get him here?
With the requiem going out from Watson on this low ground,
trying to fear up some of these heroes.
Kira's team's gone off a win run, it's gone away,
turn around, Shackle kills both.
GPK collects the bounty on the two of them,
and now Miro with the easy job.
All he has to do is just one man black hole.
The fight is already won.
Just a question of how many Yandex heroes can they kill?
Almost get the glimpse on Thawks as well,
but that is a super successful fight for Beth Boone.
Everything they want.
The Windranger tanking the initial blow is fine
because he had BKB completed, so there's no real threat on Kiritich at any point in the sequence.
The index trying to poke the BKB out and maybe reset the fight, but they just get dragged into this overall exchange.
The other one goes down to the very end, and once he's out of the fight,
it's kind of an easy fight for the Ember to engage into.
All of this is fine right here, but once notice is in and that BKB goes out, you can't disengage.
Yeah, he's out of position. And as you said, the cloak doesn't really work when you just be pulled back in.
Your requiem's not doing a lot here, either.
This Watson doesn't have fling, can't get into the middle of the fight.
Just a super nice shackle into the black hole that gets the job done, gets canceled, but that's good enough to secure the kill on the SF.
That's a very one-sided fight. Yet it's just look disoriented, they look frustrated.
You got a feel for them and they won the last dreamline and now they are just, they can
find a win.
That is how quickly Dota can turn on you.
They still been doing pretty good in some of these other tournaments as well, right?
Like they got Hop3 and every tournament that they've been on.
They just can't find any sort of meta in these games.
It looks super disconnected.
How does this happen?
Like, it feels so fast.
The Yandex, again, had great performances in all these tournaments, maybe they didn't
win all of them, but then all of a sudden, they're looking like they might just be bottomed
out because they're going to be 0-6 after this one.
It's usually one of two things, one is people aren't out of form, they're either unmotivated,
rusty, burnt out, like one of these factors causes them to just not be playing well and
People are not individually playing. Well, you're gonna get stopped by teams are way too good. Okay, they're a young team
So I I feel like that you don't get that pass, you know
The other cause is usually your ideas are
outdated
Okay
Lots of you get out of here. Nice job Valady runs interference. Yeah
Kind of losing a little bit of the base right now, but now you play with it for a bit
They get the big boy out, save this SF, that's what's important here.
If your ideas are outdated then even if you're playing well, all these little things don't
go your way because you're just playing slightly worse heroes in the meta.
The match-ups aren't as good as you think.
Your ideas of laning and team-fighting aren't 100% up the par, other teams are going to
beat you by 5 or 10%, all these areas that makes the game seem super one-sided, makes
the game feel unwinnable, and your ideas don't have to be that far behind for you to fall
into this category and sometimes you think you have good ideas and you just don't understand
as well as everybody else and you end up falling all in anyway.
That could be the case for Antics, but I feel like they are drafting pretty well for the
meta.
I don't think they're picking anything that doesn't make sense to me, you know.
I feel like the execution just hasn't been there.
For whatever reason, I mean sometimes there's just variants too, sometimes you just don't
play as well.
to achieve his Watson in trouble, Malady's like I'm gonna try and hook shot, but brother...
That's just a two for one right there.
Yeah, exactly. It's set up near a multiple times now, Malady's tried to help Watson get out,
and Miro's been able to capitalize on that.
But Boone's done a really nice job of just hunting him around the map there,
not giving us enough time to farm up anything he's been chased off camps,
and whenever you chase him away, you can drag him back.
That's just easy pickings.
We have not really seen this under water provide a lot of global value here is
The damage is being done so quickly. There's nothing to get into
Maybe it's less about to Yandex performing badly because they have asked up against OG liquid
I think those two works, you know, not expected to go 0-2, but they're strong teams right now, right?
They're they both of those teams are looking pretty top form expected to be top their group
Is it possible that that boom is just turned to corner and they're doing very well possible as well
They look pretty solid in this series.
Going back to some other core ideas. Played well together.
And we heard Sam talking about, you know, bringing the coach back.
Had him for the last week and a half or so.
And while yesterday didn't go well for Bed Boom,
they matched up against Parivision and Aurora.
Maybe they have managed to shift things overnight.
The game's looking quite good from here.
Another ant damage for the Ember, BKB done for the Enigma, that is.
Really terrifying for Yannick here, they have almost nothing to cancel this.
I mean what stops you just BKB, blink, black hole and death of every fight.
You only have the hookshot to get rid of it.
That can be tough to land, even if you land it, sometimes the damage is done anyway, and
how ahead you are.
Greedy whisper of the dread for cheer junior that's that's quite a bit
That's not good on this hero
Okay, I mean minus 60 attack damage on a course in saying they all took
I mean two sports make sense, but
That's basically says we do not want to fight we just want to grab this game farm
trying somehow go late game here you know yeah I mean the first 30 minutes of
this game have now looked close at all so fair enough it doesn't look like a
change of execution or set up would magically then win them a fight especially
now that they're down 14k
Well, there's the BKB for TPK. This lane goes off zone.
Amp damage in the bottle.
BKB Shiva's done. He is absolutely ready to discharge him, give the frontline.
And they have an axe on Kata-Omi for the disruptor ult.
That is equally terrifying, whoever you find here.
It's just...
These are dead to the chains combo, or you're getting Static Stormed and you can't BKB,
or you're getting Blackhold in that BKB anyway.
Heritage is hunting on the other side where they did take that tormentor.
Oh my god, they got him!
Oh wait, wait, wait, wait, he's dissimilar.
He's good.
He's chilling.
Very close though.
It's still forcing heroes off the map here.
I think there's a tormentor as you mentioned, so that's a clockwork shard.
A little jetpack action.
I don't know, whatever.
Yes, yes, it is a whatever shard.
I'm glad that you have finally changed where you're down 14k.
No, it's whatever in any situation.
I put this in thought of five.
That is so wrong! Oh my god!
You couldn't be more wrong.
It's a vision mechanism, that's the only reason it's vision-proof.
You're literally just trying to bait me, man.
to bait me man. I don't just just bait you.
Let's say I removed the flying vision from this item.
Would you ever buy it?
The flying vision is like a pretty big component of it.
To me that makes the shard trash because if your shard is just I get flying vision, that's not a shard.
Well you also get flying vision.
Okay, any spell in the entire game of Dota with flying vision is viable.
That's whatever. I mean, Spider legs can give you back.
What? Spider legs? Yeah, those are the same thing, for your right.
Just compare Spider legs to a shard. Just wait to 60 minutes. Get 3-path'ing that way.
This might be the game plan here for Yandex.
It doesn't look like the ghost, 60 minutes.
Might have to start thinking about who's getting spider legs here.
He can be done for save.
Very far.
It's about to kill people on his own.
That's kind of chilling right now, they have older olds.
But she became the front line, not a target you can commit into.
I'm surprised they're not just Roshin.
I just turned it here.
There we go.
You can contest or try and steal this.
You have the rocket flare vision.
You have the jet pack vision.
GPK's in a position to break the smokes.
Has a render on the high ground.
Still gonna be hit by the ulcer remnant.
He has to BKB early.
And that is not time for Beth Boone to take Roshawn, they came out of the pits.
That was an awkward move for them.
Yeah, this is kind of weird. Look at this loop around from Soxa, he gets spotted, he's gonna die here.
But there's another angle coming in to contest the Roche.
Trying to get inside the pit, no hookshot, oh it doesn't go out fast enough!
Kiritage still gets the Aegis.
He may have gotten the last hit on the Roshawn due to the Requiem, but without that extra life, or with the extra life on Kiritage, it feels unlikely Yandex can win this fight out.
Not this pit, it's looking pretty nice, grabbing three different heroes.
They're gonna pull back in with the run that Static Storm does go out those top of the two different quarts
from doing much, a long jump in from safe, pulling in Waston from the high ground to low ground.
Waston already low, Kiriti trying to chase after him.
Kiriti does finally lose that Aegis, but here's the black hole.
Mero is waiting and waiting, biting his time.
Full patience from the offlaner, a bent boom.
Finishes off the team by King's style.
How much has finished the game?
Felt like the last ditch effort for Yandex to make something happen here around some of those choke points.
That's some good pits they got the Aegis down, but she killed nobody in this fight.
Everybody's doing a little damage, it's getting split all around, Beppum kited out perfectly.
Just picked their moments, patient with the Black Hole,
Blimsyn everybody back, throwing them back in with the Marci.
Never over committing to this SF damage, just kite them around until the big spells can land and then you deal with them easily.
very well played here almost got the steel with like the hook shot in that was very close
could have maybe changed a decent amount there yeah maybe like heritage wouldn't wouldn't
be able to make the charge that he did for sure just kind of group stuff those two heroes
in the first place for that black hole I think the craziest thing about all of this though
that Jenkins is gonna be right. That's true that is wrong. Slight chains. And socks the
Crimson Guard saved me. Crimson Guard no. Backkitty goes into the pit they try and grab
them pull them out but all they pull is a course. Three man cocks. That's a nice
little pretty group up here if only the SF was still here to keep swinging on
these heroes. A little jet pack to get on out of there. It lands on GPK. They can catch
him. Oh, they got him on the other pit. They can actually kill him here. That'd be a tieback.
Oh, he's in trouble. He's out of remnants. Yeah, he's dead. No remnants. No love. Okay,
GPK getting a little silly with it. Yeah, that was a very forced play. Like, we're just
gonna end it there. Get the tip out for 100 seconds. That'll stall this game. Trouble buyback
coming out from the index though
so he's probably not too sad about it here
cheered you in your buying is
gonna make it feel a lot better
nice for him to catch it again
had his number in this fight
and they really did
I think that much worse it would have been if the SFs had been sent back
and one of those very good ones
established that sequence a lot
straight into the pit. Pit after pit after pit. That's supposed to be the
strength of this line. It's kind of what you're stuck in all these air we control spells.
It's hard to get out. This is so cursed with the pixelation.
That is how.
That was just straight cursed right there.
It's like the thumbnail for one of those mega low resolution Minecraft streams or something.
Or some guy just raging over a bad death on like 240p.
I guess that's big nowadays, you know.
You watch a lot of Minecraft?
No.
But I hear that's what the kids are into.
Trying to appeal to a younger audience.
Oh, man, April, I hear the kids into this Minecraft thing.
No, dad, they're into Roblox now.
Come on, get with it.
Roblox?
Roblox.
Aren't they being, like, indicted for something?
Is there something going on with that that's not exactly up the par?
I'm not gonna say anything more, but...
about that fish. Yeah, I think he said it on that.
He said it on that fish.
Now they added that to Twitch.
Like, they added an entire Roblox section at the top.
It's like front brows and there's just robots.
That's hella annoying, by the way.
Because I've misclicked that all the time.
I don't want to be going in there, you know?
I don't want to be in John Maidencraft's world.
I'm too old for this. Squares confuse me.
Kind of sounding like a square right now.
I need more polygons in my life. That's why I play more.
All the polygons you could want from that hero.
Alright, this should be...
A demon in fight for Batmove. They have so much to take this fight with.
fight with an axe on the enigma, Dato is on the winter ranger, Basher on save.
That is the dieback for Tira Jr. trying to make something happen on the map, which gets
caught.
Double the ward, static storm, full commanding, Autodotus.
Focus fire on him, he is definitely dead, he does have a buyback, but...
Oh, see?
Where is Tira Jr.?
Alright, here comes the gate back in, BKB's being used, GPK gets out, another pit, grabs
a couple of heroes I don't really find enough to work with though.
Watson, doing some okay damage here to Kiritich.
So I'm gonna hit again and pick me up trying to get about Malinich.
She was hoping to stop him with the Hookshot.
Oh, he hit it!
He did not hit it!
Oh, didn't BKB!
What's he doing?
What was that?
That was a mistake.
You got too much now, worth?
You got too many spells and items to click.
This is not going that well for God, the most crucial one.
I mean, they still have a numbers advantage.
It's still 3 vs 5.
Now 2 vs 5. Now 3 vs 5.
I don't know if they can close it out here.
Yeah.
If they kind of used everything.
Use static storm, use black hole.
No peeking yellow.
Winner, Andrea.
They have to back up.
They get two more buybacks.
I mean, it's a fine push buyback.
They didn't play it well, but they still got more out of hands.
Yeah, for sure.
They didn't lose anything.
That's what's important on these high ground pushes.
You just don't want to throw the game.
We'll give an opening here for Yandex. They want to try and look for something over because you know the winner
Ranger has no BKB and you know these ults are on cooldown
So it's probably your best chance to try make something happen in this game
Give a fresh BKB on Watson
for grabbing cut to me first is pretty good. It's super nice. His ult was back up
He looks for more. Hookshot gets the grab. It's on save who doesn't even get the cogs out though
The shackle shot jump forward from sheer junior and get shackled
They asked about the BKB now the requiem off of the pit
But once again these requiem's just really are touching too much a really great gate pit, but
Gandex can't keep chasing they don't have the numbers behind it especially with a buyback being used by Kata homey
Who now looks for the punish with a TPM?
He's on the outpost and he'll find a glimpse on somebody it's noticed
Notice no BKB for him tries to hold back these heroes. They go back to fight it with tier junior. It doesn't work
Attempting to grab the gem didn't grab it now tries to TP way gets up at a neutrals. This is got petrified
That was perplexing he got petrified which pierces BKB. Oh
No
That was a rough ending
That was a rough one.
Yeah, the end is close.
They're woes continue.
We're back to the Minecraft pixelation here.
Man, they're having some struggles there.
But successful series for Bethune.
They are starting to turn around.
Nice little 2-0 for them.
I feel like great about the start to their day.
Those are so very one-sided games.
I feel like they were in control of that series the whole time.
The end is got almost nothing going for them.
At any point.
And I gotta look towards that mid-length though.
They got to pick some issues around that because to me that was the biggest difference in the series. I think GBK just
Posed both games. He felt super comfortable. He's controlling the tempo going in the fight breaking spokes as a frontliner
Just be super annoying
And on the flip side share junior he's like the exact opposite right he's behind on net worth
It's getting killed around the map chance at the fights over the team. They're not really playing through him in
You got that first haste rune? I thought okay maybe with this haste rune you'll be able to contest
Winston trying to like get to and let him going but they never finished Vestal and never translated it
to anything. This is like a mid diff game in terms of the teams enabling their mid and getting
that to work for the non-native player skill. It's just like these games are just what's happening
in the lanes deciding. Man all three cores from that boom. Great scores. 19, 17, 16, 4, 23, 10,
325 hero had some sick black holes in this game though to be fair fights were
pretty easy it felt like that the black holes were more of a finishing blow than
anything else well those were some webcams for a 0 and 14 now that they're
two and four maybe Bedpoom can get them some upgrades
I mean we'll see about that they still got to get a little bit more prize money
before they can make that happen going from eighth place to sixth place might
not be enough but it is at least a step in the right direction as both of these teams entered
this series being 0-4 in DreamLeague's group stage so far and one of them is now exiting 2-4
and Yandex. The champions of last season are down 0-6 right now Zed. Yeah they are really not in a
good place. I know that you guys are kind of surprised that back then we're doing so well
I don't think that we would have had them.
I certainly would have thought the Yandex coming off the previous tournament would be looking better,
but they're really not. They're looking kind of discombobulated and I don't know what's going on with them.
But I did like this. That move draft.
I think the Enigma pick was really nice, really annoying here to play against in lane.
And then, you know, you've got these cores like Asaph, you just want to blow up.
You get a nice black hole like that and kaboom. That's exactly what happens.
So I think a nice drop in execution in both games from that boom and well done to them.
Watching this is like SF getting a black hole compilation video.
Yeah, alright.
But I'm with you. The enigmatic was really good. I love that the way Mira played as well.
Like when he got his dominator and got the awful shirt, they went bottom, got tower, etc.
But they didn't do the natural movement to the mid lane that you do.
take bot tower, go mid, but that wasn't the case. Everybody went with Miro top and they
contested them in a 14 wisdom rune, which really kind of broke the game in the sense
that they found SF and killed them when SF was top of the network. They were doing cool
stuff like the pick me up rebound into block calling SF at the wisdom rune. Doing things
like that early game really is a big game changer because it didn't let SF get to the
point of the game that he needed to, where he does damage or he has a BKB where he can
fight.
Coming to this tournament, I was seeing Enigma more and more in pubs, and I was also looking
at Pro Tracker, which is not Pro Tracker anymore, but it's still AKM more.
And Enigma was actually the highest win rate success hero in the offline.
It was like 700 games, 58% something like this.
It was very high.
And I was like, huh, is Enigma like kind of closet broken right now?
And now that I'm seeing a lot more Clockwork supports, Marcy supports, Tuss, like these
He supports lane insanely well with enigma and also other than gyrocopter, most ranged
carries don't lane particularly well versus enigma either, so I think that was one of
the best enigma players, so he's going to put on a clinic for sure.
I just want to say I'm going to make the maybe not so bold prediction of enigma's stocks
rising significantly over the course of this event because he also buys auras, he has teamfight,
You'll never lack damage because you have pure damage from midnight pulls and black hole.
And if you're allowed to play like a utility, well, also being able to get black holes off
because of these cute little combos like the Marcy, I just, I think this hero answers a
lot of, like, fits a lot of, fills a lot of the blights that these lineups need in the
current meta.
And that's ailing pure damage as well, man.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
You know what that sound means, third?
I do not.
It means that we got an interview.
Oh.
We've got a winners interview with Kata Omi in 720p right now.
Kata Omi, congratulations on a 2-0 victory, but it is the first victory of Dream League.
How's the... what was going on yesterday, if you don't mind me asking?
We just watched the replays of all the overall discrepancy or like drafts.
And what we do on the map, like, we did a huge work, actually, past days after these explosives.
How much of that work was helpless a coach?
Because we saw an interview earlier with Stave, saying that for the past few months you didn't have bulk.
Is bulk back now for this tournament?
Yes, he's fully back.
Okay, nice. So then, what was going on in the meanwhile period?
Were you guys not looking for a coach? Were you experimenting how it would be without a coach? And how did he come back now?
We had the coach, Ereman,
starting from the first tournament of this year, the future. And we just changed Ereman for a book.
different language.
Gotcha, okay.
Because from the English speaking perspective,
we don't get to talk to Bulk that much.
And so, hearing save,
he used the word Bulk is the father of our Dota.
Is that something that you agree with?
Yes, of course.
Right before I was on this team,
Bulk was here for like two years.
All these players I saved.
I was playing with him in past teams like five years ago
They know each other for a long time and they shared the same ideas
Nice, and so I guess was he also helping out in yesterday's discussion
of looking at the replays, figuring out what the issues were and then solving them today
Of course, it's like the best coach job he does, gather us in front of TV, we start watching
the core perspective and also record our voice communication and we're trying to fix that
too.
Sounds good, maybe for the next series of games you can also maybe fix your internet
connection a little bit.
for right now, your internet connection is rock solid
into the game.
Congratulations on the 2-0 victory,
and I'll catch you later for more bedroom games.
Yeah, thank you, Sam.
Thank you very much.
Maybe some audio delays, but at least in-game,
everything is very clean.
And in fact, Brian may have taken a look
at some other moments in that game.
BSJ, what do you have in that game, too?
I actually have one cool highlight for Team UNX,
even though I know that blue and clean sweep that event or that series.
I really like these like foresight layer depth of layer strategies.
So what happened is it's not very common for carries to want to TP,
but more and more,
I'm seeing them have to rotate to help their team defend wisdom shrine.
So here we see Yandex invading.
So then Kiritich is actually going to TP here as Windranger,
as you see in the bottom left.
And this is at seven minutes.
So what's really interesting to me about this whole thing is this is now 40 seconds
later where you're imagining House Kiritich as a hero that can't jungle gonna get back to his lane
They had literally camped there waiting for him to come back through
The portal because that's his only way back and I just think that's like a really cool predictive play
and I wanted to highlight it because
I've only now recently seen carry players more and more be willing to make this TP and it is a super awkward TP if you
Can't jungle because now you're just in the off lane at seven minutes
And I think that there's going to be more and more layers tacked on with this and it's something that players are going to have to consider.
I'm looking forward to seeing the evolution of this wisdom shrine contest carry position helping because that wasn't something I saw last time I was like watching tournaments like full on.
What do you anticipate would be the most likely reaction is that now a support also comes with the carry through the swing gate or the carry stays in the off lane and finds something to do there?
I'm saying like it's either the carry staying in the off lane maybe milking for a follow-up play considering maybe like mid rotates top and carry rotates mid
So you kind of do like a shift across the map
Yeah, but then the problem with that one is that the mid doesn't want to leave at eight minutes like he wants his lane
so
Honestly, I think it might have to be like a okay. You're bringing a wall to prevent this guy from
Getting back through the portal. We're gonna bring an escort like you said that that's another layer
That's the type of stuff where you only get to that point because the first three layers were attacked on sure
That's what I love about Dota is it's ever evolving no matter what?
The how long the meta or that like the wisdom shrines have been there for what like a year and a half or something
So so yeah, very cool
I mean with that being said that just makes me think that they got what they wanted out of a change like that
It was with wisdom shrines and how the matters developed and whether to make the call to attack or in
defend because often we see teams like TPing to the wisdom shrine and like
winning the game off of that basically where it completely shifts the tides that
would have been different otherwise it's become a lot more high-skilled isn't
that right Ted? Yeah, but why do you look so sad? I want to do this tie dye and shit
and be waiting fucking all morning. Well you do care about clothes then. No I just want to see how it goes and also I want to see how you look in some clothes Ted. Do you mind looking at the screen? I'm wearing clothes Neil. Looking at the screen behind you.
Oh! You look good!
Look at this!
They just mean modeling!
We have the photos, Ted.
We were just saving them for a very important moment.
They look great.
Look at me having fun!
They didn't use those on the website.
Shame on you guys.
You know what they used? You.
No.
Yeah.
Where?
On the website. I think maybe Avery.
God, these are tight. Who are these for?
Well, you didn't have to use the latex gloves. We also have plastic gloves.
Yes, the experiment will begin shortly, Mr. Pond.
Thank you, Dr. Flax.
We've got two tubs.
Dr. Von Flax!
Von Flax.
And we've got... oh, I don't know if it's up there.
Oh, yes, here's where the directions.
So, each of our little components have been banded off,
And you're supposed to apply the diet to individual yes actions. Yes. We have to tie it and then we have to die it
You can do it and then die it. Why do they call it? Wait. Oh my god. That's what you
All right, I'm gonna do I've got an idea. Do you just spread it with your hands or do you just?
No, I want yellow as well. Yeah, let me give it a little
Do it a little shake. I'll go in first because I don't mind if I fuck my own experiment. Oh shit. Hang on
Think it's a cap off as a cap. You need a paint brush or nope. It's a spray. Oh, it's a spray. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a sauce bottle
That's getting absorbed quite well actually you got it in the other sections. It's all right. It's all right. Hey
Start with something else. I meant to be perfect until they almost do. Would you like a calling?
I'm gonna let you do yours first because we have to do it in the tub, right? Yes. Yeah, I'll let you go first mirror
Okay, okay. Yeah, you're right.
We can color this, Brian.
But what if your colors bleed onto each other?
That's part of the thing, right? It's supposed to type it.
I'm looking to make the joke.
What's the joke?
Make the joke, coward.
Mango, orange.
I was thinking like all like world colors for me.
You got pink.
I'm gonna do orange, red.
What's the difference between rose and pink?
This pink looks very red.
this look when it comes to the differences between things like rose and pink nobody really knows
i've used a lot of yellow there i didn't go half the bottle i didn't realize rose and pink
rose is red it doesn't look it doesn't look it looks like reddish pink psj so you're right that
should actually be the real pink you're right that rose looks like a rosé i don't think mine's
gonna take a brush by any other than it does i'm not gonna use that nearly as much yellow as well i
I think, Brian, because we both did the spirals, I think we have to also do the back.
I strongly advise...
Oh, wait, yours looks so much cleaner than mine.
I... so I did the double spiral.
Oh!
It told me to fold and then twist.
Oh, fold it.
Are you not doing the bullseye?
I'm doing a different thing. I'm doing my own thing.
Not green.
Alright, we're gonna work on this for a little while, and in the meanwhile, some teams are prepping for the second series of a Dota.
We've got Team Spirit vs Navi coming up after the break.
I'm going to get rid of the stress I'm feeling lighter, I'm falling for the
I'm feeling lighter, I'm falling, feeling like I can breathe, the night is calling,
Teach ya, come blowin' the breeze
We're rollin' downtown
We're movin' to the south
We're rollin' downtown
We can't hear, we feel so right
I think I'm gonna get the skills out tonight
I'm gonna go on, come a good time
Ain't nothin' you wanna stop me tonight
You wanna stop me now
Go through my closure
Tell my crew what's up
Just wanna party
Ain't nobody looking for love
The music's popping
The speed is popping
Feeling alive
Head to the street
These wheels
I'm living in a fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, let me know that you're feeling me
I'm living in a fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, come on and take a ride with me
You're rolling down, you're moving to the south, you're rolling downtown
I'm gonna go out on a girl's night, Ain't nothing gonna stop me from night,
We're cruising by our city line, I can't wait to take the skates out tonight,
It's been six long days since I saw your baby. I've been crying for hours, minutes, seconds, until you're back in my house again.
On the last day in the morning Tuesday night I leave with this lazy whiz tonight I'm hanging with the bees
Thursday night I go to the movies Friday night I just drive to the movies Saturday night the weed just kills the trees
Saturday night
And tonight
Saturday night
And tonight
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you
Don't mean to one night stand, gotta find a way to be a man
It's something about the way you turn and look at me
You smile and turn me on and set my mind at ease
Trying hard not to stare, don't wanna look thirsty
Just trying to play it cool, gotta show you that I'm learning
You walked in all the hair and seemed to leave this room
I just had to find a way to get in next to you
Just find a good chance on the summer spot
All right, could show us your handiwork, you've tied it, oh come on, he's going to
Brian.
Neal.
Sorry, going to Brian.
Going into our next series, I wanted to take a look at Team Spirit specifically because
two days ago, Insania, our Pro Position 5 player here, said that Pantos looked a bit lost and
It didn't look like he had freedom to do what he wanted in the game, and that just got the
curious side of me.
You know, it sparked my curiosity.
So I looked back at the games that he was talking about to see if there's potentially
like a disconnect between Team Spirit, the rest of Team Spirit, and Pontos.
And so I've got some clips for you guys that I think support, and Stania's a hypothesis
and they'll be up to you if you agree as well.
going into the clips. This is the first one at minute six and a half. Game one against extreme.
And I just want to point out that Yatro is number one net worth in the game and that Ponto is in
his own triangle right now instead of defending his carry who's number one net worth. So as we
play the clip this is the beginning of Yatro gets caught. This is an important thing because Ponto
went to go get the rune and instead of coming back bottom he went top and number one net worth goes
down so then we go to the next clip which is what is it gonna show up next
clip there we go so in this case Ponto is near his centaur who actually gets
initiated on to what's going on here it is so he's actually here nearby but
he's he's going to century the ancient camp above instead of playing alongside
collapse who collapsed I imagine is thinking like I have a clockwork near
me and then Ponto's not there to save him and he ends up going down.
So then we go later in the game where you'd want Ponto in my next clip.
Let's go.
Looking like some technical difficulties here.
In my next clip where you're thinking Ponto might be wanting to make plays with his team
is hugging Jotaro while Collapse is going to get caught in the bottom lane and you're
wondering where the clockwork is and you're thinking like this looks like
they're consistently outnumbered throughout the course the game on Team
Spirit and I just want to emphasize that Ponto seems to be kind of just
chilling with Yotaro and we go to the other clip it's missing one of my clips
but it's okay basically there are two clips where they are trying to make
plays and instead of Ponto making aggressive plays he was playing really
defensively with Yotaro and it looked like it was what happened in the early
game is he wasn't there to save his teammates and then later on in the game
when he needed to be making plays he was playing a little bit too overly cautious and when I watched the game they lost a lot of
Momentum on the map throughout all of these plays and I just I really did feel a strong sense of a disconnect between what
Ponto's like was thinking defensively or aggressively and what the rest of Team Spear was so I'm gonna be keeping an eye out
For them being on the same page day, especially between him and the rest of the team
Thank you very much Brian. Yeah, the terminology that I'm standing specifically used as he felt that Panto looked shackled to a
You're Toro now. We actually have some video evidence much as though we need to free you from your shackles parents
Yes, but first I wish to show off my tie-died effort. I've never done this before chat
Yeah, I think that's that's quite nice and sparkly and bright. It's got an interesting design and
Yeah, there you go right back
Fee how do I go?
You can get get the get the hell out of what I leave you leave
Designer logo on it Neil and I'll buy it. He'll buy it everyone buy it
Perfect had the fashion designer justice for Ted whose photo is not used you can you can slide over here
We got a couch down. Thank you my great over Quinn. Hello. Welcome to the panel. Thank you
It's beer versus Navi on the agenda and we got a chance to see Navi already on the mainstream
You got a chance to see spirit already on the mainstream and one of them is looking a little bit better than the other
Only a little bit though, but still I still see Navi as a strangely enough a favorite in this mashup
Yeah, weirdly, I agree. I think Spirit is like, I mean, you can see it in kind of these clips, but they're very much done on the same page.
I think with Spirit, it's like, off. They look really off, because what their standard is, or like their peak is so incredibly excellent,
that when you see them not at that, it looks like a complete mess, and I think they do look like a bit of a mess right now.
I think Panto is, like, Mpochka is almost an irreplaceable player, and he's so specific in what his skill set is, and he's so incredibly good that
that I think pencil is his shoes to fill it's like Ronald McDonald like you know
the gigantic shoes or whatever like you've got to really squeeze those toes
yeah you got a stretch like this this no you can't fill these shoes is
impossible too big yeah and that is something that Brian you decided as
well because we have seen spirit go through many replacements you've
replaced it Toronto Tokyo you've replaced it Mira you've replaced it
for a satanic and then back to you Toro again but we haven't replaced the
Bochka before and now we have and this is what's happening. Yeah, like so much when I was watching
I was just thinking like why are they going for kills and they're barely not getting them?
Why are they playing aggressively up on the map and then barely dying instead of getting away and there was just
They're either missing a hero or they're out of position and it just yeah
It's just so unlike spirit like this is a team that they're positioning on not only in teamfights
But also on the map is so much about what makes them
and able to draw out games to the extent that they always do,
feeling like the team that can come back at any moment.
And yeah, it's just weird.
One thing Insania also said was it doesn't look like they
feel like they have a clear idea of how to turn early leads
into something right now.
Like they had three top networks in that game
that I showed in all the clips.
And it just, how often do you think of Spirit
as a team that falls flat?
Like that's like the last thing I would assign to that team.
I just do want to say that we've talked about Panto a bit, but they played a few tournaments with Panto already
Like he's been with them for a while and they made it to a couple of grand finalists even
The bigger question right now for this tournament is there's no silent
Which you can really see in the way that they're playing and we just we saw how important it was for
But boom to have broke back. They looked like a different team today with their coach back for one day
So silent also is a very difficult person to replace and not just that Laurel isn't here
Meryl is standing in for him, so we talk about spirit, but we also have to be fair and recognize that they're in a very
shaky and unstable kind of position right now, and that's due to all of these changes going on in their team.
Yeah, I think the Laurel standing in particular is like it's a pretty big deal.
I think it's hard to overstate how big of a deal it is. Like this Meryl guy, he has potential, but
to be honest, he's quite rougher on the edges. He's relatively low on more, I think compared to like the standard you would have for like a tier one team.
And you can see it in someone like the moment, like the some key moments
Like I think Laurel is a very clutch player and he's a player who's like not some Omega laner
But just the solid in lane and then he is very very good at the mid and late game
I think Morrell lacks a bit in those those areas that Laurel is excellent in. Yeah
I actually think today is gonna be a much better matchup for Navi specifically because I think they kind of just got skill checked yesterday
against Falcons like a Navi did well in Blast
you know they didn't win at all, but they got to the finals and
They're two and two so far they took two games. I believe off of gamer and gaming Legion
I think that's they beat to zero and then they lost to zero to Falcons, but they those games like if you look at the graphs
They were eighty percent to lose at ten minutes like they were just over
But I don't think that's the type of loss you're gonna get against team spirit
That's they're not the type of team to punish you in that macro sense in the first
You know stacking and getting an insurmountable network lead in the first 15 minutes of the game
So what yesterday I didn't feel like I really got to see
We, Navi, play Dota and have the opportunity to make plays and show what they've got.
So I know we've been talking a lot about Team Spirit and that's what I came in predominantly
prepped with, but also as partially because I just didn't feel like Navi had an opportunity
to show us yesterday.
So I'm really looking forward to a more even game and seeing what they do with that.
Let's see what heroes that they choose to do at a whiff as we get into the draft for
for a game number one, Navi.
Nibbana, Shadow Demon, Jekiro, Underlord,
Kez, and his Templar assassin
pick themselves up a first pick win ranger in spirit.
Nibbana, the Shadow Fiend, the Tram Protector,
the Bat Rider, and the Huskar
respond to that win ranger with the Mars.
And Yatora's very sad that he doesn't get Kez.
He had that Kez haircut already for it.
He was prepped.
That's a real shame.
That's honestly not cool for Navi.
I think they didn't get the memo.
If they'd seen his hair, surely they would have been.
We have to let him pick the cast, guys. Come on. Dressed up for it and everything.
It was actually the one hero, because Spirit got one win yesterday, and it was with Kaz.
Oh, really? Yeah.
Yeah, that hero was very scary, early game. That hero's lane is just such a mess.
If you don't have specific heroes against it, and when you fall behind, he just keeps killing you, is incredibly impressive.
And you also... It's very difficult to bring numbers and actually gank him, so once you lose that lane,
It kind of just doesn't get any better from Aaron.
He was like, he got a press.
Did you say he's like a better PA?
Like, he's not as oppressive as PA, but like, if he gets...
He also has like farming potential and he has better escaping.
Like, turn potential if he gets ganked,
but I consider him like a similar archetype of laner.
Yeah, like a PA if like PA was like Superman and then also on crack.
Yeah, the last thing is just a better PA, basically.
I want to talk a little bit about this first pick, Mars.
from Team Spirit, or like this first phase Mars rather, and to me this is a read that they have
on Navi that they don't have to go for the first pick Viper's or Largo's or Underlords that they've
been doing. They, to me it says that their idea of Navi as a team isn't a team that has very dominant
lanes or a very dominant early game and they can get away with just going for playmaking heroes
and not having to take away that meta and this could be a regional thing that they're more familiar
with the players on the team. Like, I know that you just did Blast Plane, and what I notice
watching Blast when you can correct me on this is that Navi seemed to win by, like,
good team fights and good moves on the map rather than leaning, scaling, or repression.
No, for sure. This is not a very fast team and not a particularly good laning team.
Like, they can make moves and they can win lanes, but it's not their MO. It's not the norm. It's
more of a something that happens, but they ain't playing for it for sure.
I played a bit of Warlock in pubs, like practicing my support, and I felt like the hero really
struggles against dispels, like the hero just, all, not only are his spells all dispellable
fatal bonds and the heal, but he also likes to buy glimmers and solar crests and drums,
stuff like this, so I'm just wondering in theory, I feel like Largo's really good against
Warlock not only in lane, but in game, you don't mind the fatal bonds, you don't mind the heal.
Largo is one of the few heroes in the game that has an offensive and a defensive purge.
I think the only other one is Oracle.
Yeah, the basic spells, technically Shadow Demon, but...
No, I'm sorry, in lane, specifically.
Because Legion and Abaddon can dispel themselves, but they can't dispel enemies, so then you can just heal your teammates.
I'm curious, I think Largo might just completely shut down where the Warlock does in lane.
I do think, I haven't seen Navi play the Largo offline yet, it's mostly the unsupported.
So, if this is their support duo, I'm a bit stuffed with it.
Generally, I think double melee support duos are kind of frowned upon.
You can do double ranged, and you can do like half and half.
But I think double melee causes you weird issues with your late early game, your mid game,
because both of your supports don't have any follow-up damage.
So the heroes that you need in your kill combos are somewhat unusual, a little peculiar,
and I think it's hard to play around that, because your muscle memory is,
if I have a support with me and I'm a core, we can kill the guy,
and that sort of tweaks your muscle memory, and now you need multiple cores and things,
and it mixes things up.
It can be played with probably, but you need to be quite creative.
What do you think of this quad pick?
I'm not like, super convinced by it right now, based on what I see.
Beastmaster does well against it, doesn't he?
Uh, yeah, those, those little, a little odd.
It could be carry cloth, um, got the juices played that before.
And I think, Womp Clock should be an unbelievably oppressive lane from ours, which may be like
offline Largo 4 way nager, like I think that's better.
If it's just mid-quap, then I agree, it makes no sense to me.
Okay, they are ban- I feel like they're also banning to protect mid-quap though, with the
Ember DK Bans.
Yeah, they are.
I would imagine it is a mid-quap and they probably just wanted a way to burst the support on the side of spirit with Warlock and Willow.
And also just a way to get in and out of the arena by Mars.
I do quite like the carry-quap flex that's been experimented with.
At last I thought it was really cool to watch.
And I would like to see more teams do it, but not in this game in particular.
What about the day gone three-quap from here the other day?
Sometimes people make the mistake of just not reading the items they buy and I think
that was one of the reasons.
I think he thought he did something he doesn't and she's just really lucky.
After the game 23 was like, he'll read the item, he'll read the item, and he won't make
the mistake again.
Do you think you could kill Overlord Creeps or something like that?
No, it's like you think it gives more than two All Stats at 100 damage for 1200 gold.
You think it does more than that.
Or maybe it's bugged.
I think oftentimes when Thunder's doing something that you don't understand, it's probably
just bugged. Yeah I trust 33 more than the devs honestly at this point.
I'm thinking long and hard about this. I think this win or your first pick is also a little
odd. I don't think anyone is really prioritizing this hero that highly. It's a fine carry but
most of the time we see it second phase. So bumping up the first is... Did Liquid have his first phase?
Whenever they were giving it to Mickey? I never saw it first phase. They did it like the first
stealing the blast they lost and then they kind of hump the brakes on it for the whole rest of the
tournament until it was like second phase what we've seen at this screen league so far is that
the win ranger is first phase as a response to viper like i've seen viper into one ranger yeah that
makes sense it's happened like at least twice from the games that i've watched so it's not cheaper
uncommon but maybe they were preemptively addressing a viper it does seem that mirrore has been a little
bit unconfident for another lane and heroes like viper kind of simplify your gameplay it makes your
It's funny, I think heroes like this Viper and Razor and stuff, they're heroes that,
the more you play against them, the worse they get.
Like I think when they first re-enter a meta, they'll be better than they actually are.
Because you let the guy link you longer than you should, and you let him spit on you more
than you should, you don't understand like the kill thresholds.
And you play more and more, it's carry beast, really?
Yeah, mid lane and void spirit going up against the Queen of Pain was Beastmaster, Queen of
Okay, not a good matchup or something?
It's just like, Beast Queen is good, that's the thing, Beast is a pretty solid, it's one of the better counters to QOP, Scrinch.
And I think Void Spirit vs QOP is a two sided matchup, like Queen can win that lane depending on her skills, so, very peculiar to me.
I can kind of see what they're doing here, and I like it, it is odd looking at it and knowing that it's a team spirit, but,
I guess they wanted a mid laner that can quickly buy a Vustal, so that they could have that anti-heal early on, and I think the idea of the Beastmaster is,
They wanted claws on the Mars, but they also wanted the timing that Beastmaster gives you compared to Largo.
Like, Largo's gonna hit that 15-20 minute timing with those eggs, but Beastmaster should also be hitting,
and should be better at the time, because a Beastmaster 15-minute timing is much stronger than the Largo's one.
Like, Largo's timing gets really good with the Kaio plus BQB, which is later on in the game.
So, in theory, you could overwhelm their 5-man with your 5-man with a Beastmaster.
Maybe that's the idea.
I mean, my idea here is, if I'm being blunt, I don't like either of the drafts.
So, what happens is when I don't like drafts, usually I like one of them and then I get to kind of test my knowledge.
But right now, I'm just looking forward to learning why one of these drafts makes sense, you know what I mean?
Well, what's your hesitation on each draft? What's your hesitation with Spirit's draft?
I think like the Beastmaster pivot was weird.
Like for me, like you already have a good lane matchup and you have options and then you like, it's just weird to give it a 50-50 matchup.
And then yeah, the quad pick was also strange to me. So there's just no convincing late draft picks, that's all.
Then I'm here to learn along with you, Brian.
Let's get into a game number one of Spear vs Navi with Kev.
Let's be chained.
What we're all going to do is a little learning alongside Brian today, in fact I learned a
little from Brian.
Avery, did you know that Warlock doesn't work very well against dispels?
That's true. Well, this is very, very underwhelming, these bells and pieces you didn't learn them.
You learned anything else? That was it. No, that was it. I learned that Yatoro plays Beastmaster.
Yatoro plays any. One year ago, Dream League season 25,
He played two games of Beastmaster at that tournament, those were his debut matches for
Beastmaster, went alright, one-on-one, and then they never did it again.
Well, that means they should have done it more.
But look at the trap.
The trap has been set.
Will they walk into the trap?
No.
What trap are you talking about?
It has been unsprung.
I don't see a trap anywhere.
There was a trap.
talking about a trap for 30 seconds that I don't know where their trap is. The trap has been dodged,
the play is over, and Cog's bottom to win equilibrium there. The Troll not gonna be happy about that,
gets hit by a Cog as well, as Niko gets hit a bunch mid, so it's already a lot of action happening
on these lanes. Bonds instantly throwing top, get both heroes, they're gonna put the Warlock
on the off lane, ruin the safe thing. Actually, a wild first wave across the board. If he had caught
Niko with that Rin then and who would have brought him pretty low so both use that
verify both all players got the weight instantly back here yeah very nice for
them should be pretty pretty good for Largo he does not want to play up in the
lane with double melee against the boars interesting support lane swap from
spirit maybe they just want some extra sustain for collapse up top but definitely
ruins a lot of your kilter. It's like you would have had a Willow Mars lane against
Winter Ranger, which I feel is pretty good. And I think the Dark Willow fights the
instructor fine.
Well, I heard Quinn talk about the mid matchup and how he thought Beastmaster vs
the Quap is fine and Blue Spirit. Yeah, maybe a little less so, so there's a lot of
weird, really rude, really weird like small lane decisions from Spirit. Hard to tell why
they wanted it this way, because to me I do think the other choices are just better
on paper? I mean for me this goes back to what I'm talking about the pre-games
in the opening session here which is that I think Spirit looks just a bit
lost.
The meddler's just not suiting them. That's just the courier killer. Gonna take a
lot of harass this but he'll be able to walk it off foods first. Lane is still
Far for PMA so he's chilling.
Gives him some good pulls on Niku here.
Morel really putting in work early.
He's going to get Water Room straight back up as...
The bottom room has to be taken against the boar, so...
It's a nice micro there from Yatoro.
He's going to deny out a room from his campaign bottle which just got delivered.
And it's going to reward this harassment.
Should secure a lot of this one for Morel.
Morel, he's in a very good spot, he's done work then.
Spirit laning well early.
Shackle shot, maybe that's the first blood.
Opportunity is there, glimpsed back, and they get the kill before Riddies dies.
Riddies likely to take out here with a blood grenade on him, collapse, runs him down.
So more damage done to Navi, but Navi get the bigger bounty with first blood.
I almost wondered if, uh...
He just stood there and hit him the entire time.
That's Panto on this warlock. You might have gotten that first blood.
The Abel's underestimated how much damage Claps was going to do with this combo into the
Bonds. Target's there.
Because that wasn't very efficient trade.
You're going to bramble the Frogs. Let me tell you something else. They do not like brambles.
That's surprising because they feel like they live in areas where brambles are free.
That's why it's deceptive, but they do not like them.
Okay.
I'm something new today.
Alongside the many other things.
Glitz isn't going to get to do much and they still get most of the creeps once in a while.
Solid, solid start to the lanes here for Spear.
Pretty rich on this beast. Mid lane's going pretty well for them.
Then you should be happy about those two things
You need a good timing over these bastard. Yeah, they play Beastmasters doesn't it always go well
Yeah, for the most part it's not hard to shut this hero down unless you have a very specific all-planer
If you get some stacks up for him, he's gonna be big it's gonna be big boy. That's for sure
I just hope this warlock in the offlane can do it, you can definitely go to the triangle
and stack it up or you just shove the wave in, you go stack, it's pretty smooth, pretty
clean, not great at rotating to these power runes, that'll be something that Earl has
to secure on his own.
You can definitely play the efficiency game and I expect that to happen, you're both
teams would like to get stacks for their all-planer slash
as Beastmaster out of the state play.
How many micro heroes does Yatoro play?
Uh, but do you count Purion as a micro hero?
No, because do you count Brutemother as a micro hero?
Yeah.
Do you count Invoker as a micro hero?
No?
Then I would say two.
Hey Brune mother he's won one game out of five. Well that plays at them
I do not think they are well playing it. Oh the axe has got PMA
Chop the frog down to size
Anyways doing some good work with the port is what I was leading to
Well, we'll banage on mid, he's already up for morale, but he's out of resources.
Scream not in range and dissimilate ready the whole time.
I can't glimpse him there.
We'll have to take the regen, so another rune denied from this campaign, but maybe he gets
a little pick-me-up here, a nice cog hit.
The courier too?
His little doggy? No.
Riddies...
sticking with Panto here.
Make use of this regen.
Though maybe he's going out too far.
He's trying really hard for this kill. The Thunder Strike.
It's taking away Adam. Panto's just going to heal himself up again.
And now Morrell comes in for the punish.
So we missed the remnant.
He ain't base created.
But for who?
Because it's Yatoro lapping it up right now.
He's a thousand ahead of the net.
of the next year. That's pretty wild. He's gonna start maybe stacking ancients for himself
with the Bore. So a spear gonna try and trade out the Wisdom Shrines here. Just a kind of
defensive oriented game for them. They just want us to cure the farm top for the Mars
with the heals. The beast is chilling mid bottom. Void Spear is chilling mid after that failed
attempt onto his life and the Shrines will get split. Feels like Spear very happy with
this early and they're just kind of getting everything they want right now.
All the supports come in top.
Definitely more aggressive potential here for Naughty.
Walk in Cogs' Warlock.
Okay, they're trying to dodge the Cogs, Bramples hits onto the Clockwork, he gets the pin off
of it.
It's actually Team Spirit who gets the kill first, huh?
The super secret strat unleashed by Panto there, of hand, skill, and do nothing.
Come on, he dodged up.
He dodged one of the Cogs by moving more than 50 units.
Yeah, but that's all you need to do to dodge Cogs.
I'm not lying.
If you lose 75 units, you walk into Cogs.
I think it threw science off.
Because he was expecting him to try and dodge it.
,
for the two
to the end of the
I never understood that about that whole story.
The Hansel and Grel thing?
What did you think I was talking about?
I had no idea.
Isn't that where that comes from?
Uh, probably.
Like you kidnap the kids and then you feed them a bunch of candy and then you get catniped
and they put them in e-m's.
Yeah.
But why not just eat them and then just go catch more kids?
it's not just more efficient like what's the point of batting him up that
implies that those were the only kids you're gonna get for a long time but
then why are you living out in the middle of the woods where there's no
kids there also does it which not like candy you should just eat the kids and
that's what I'm saying none of this story makes a candy any sense if you
analyze the calorie distribution of the story none of it makes any sense but I'm
gonna stop I'm gonna stop talking about kids in the woods I'm gonna start talking
Yatoro in the jungle because he is getting ginormous in this game. He has eaten kids out here in this game
The calorie intake for this beast is out of control. The kids are coming for their revenge weapon style
They come through the gate trying to chase them down trying to get off the roar of Rothschild
Spongebob for a second. Niku finally throws out the ultimate
It does take out Yatoro now the dive underneath the tower. Morale surrounded by five heroes zips on out of there with a quick little
astral step
And that is going to be it just two kills for Nabi in this five-man rotation through gate
That's a great move other beats great move. You had to shut down this piece. He's just getting way too much freedom down here
Still super far ahead even after that but best target to use the sonic wave on get your clock back in this game
Get some XP for your supports. You can get the power rune after all anyway
Get this tower you take away the space from the Beastmaster
Big move there.
The Spirit was just not ready for it.
I feel like normally they would defend that kind of play with like a Mars TP in.
You could level in Cast Arena here.
How is Utoro still farming by the way?
Cause he's got one kill, one assist.
He was stacking agents with four.
Okay, he was stacking his own agents.
So I was alerted out.
But he didn't have to buy any regen.
He had a bunch of solo XP and he was just farming small camp on top of wave.
So that's where a lot of this extra gold comes from.
I mean, he already has 91 last hits compared to 1 Ranger's 50.
Oh, nice little aesthetic storm.
Nicely played by Riddies.
That was very simple.
The waning phase may have gone the way of spirits,
Now that we're exiting the laning phase, it's Navi making the better moves.
It's Navi making all the moves. I don't think we've really seen him move out of spirit.
That's true.
It's a very static game for them.
Which they are getting some stacks up. I think this style of game can be okay if you're playing the economy
and you're forcing your opponents into you where you can take some defensive fights,
which is normally kind of how Warlock wants to play.
But that requires some significant stacking in that threat to exist, which...
It's kind of existed a little bit.
They're in a smoky atoro.
Trying to bring him into the fight mid.
I mean, he does have a whore, but he doesn't do that much damage right now.
Damage power on top will be secured off this smoke no matter what.
or what, it's gonna be really nice.
But Hitoru just calls that smoke bomb,
he's like, I got better things to do
like hit jungle creeps.
And he does, that is a better thing to do.
Nice D-word though, from Rue.
Kind of invasions here, now they're taking away
the stacks that the disruptor had made earlier.
Losing some of their mid tower though.
Which I don't, I don't really like the spirit
are just letting this happen right now.
This was part of protecting that triangle for the beast.
I don't think this tower was that easy for Navi to force and they kind of just hit it
with a queen of pain until it died.
Yeah, that was just so free and now they can defend top if they want to, but they're just
going to give it up.
Disruptor is not the greatest at defending this tower.
Yeah, keeping into that safe lane tower is already a death sentence when you see Morrell
has a amp damage.
Just don't think there's no sense to that.
But he wants to use it, so...
But he gets scanned!
Nice little scan.
He has to play.
He gets everybody out.
Now, have you been ubering this map pretty well?
The Spirit not finding a lot of action for this Void Spirit.
0-1 and 0 start.
The only earned charge he got was off his death.
Well, the Agonym Step-Scepter is done for you, Toro.
As insanely fast.
Level 12 Ag's done at 13 and a half.
Yeah, this is crazy.
Team will your Toro once again.
You know, like, now that they've taken the ancient camp away from the offlane,
it almost does make more sense for B's faster to be in the safe lane.
I always see a lot of Terri players play this occasionally.
Aume played it for a little bit.
Yeah.
He saw Pure play it.
That's pretty successful for him.
Like, this hero is a solid carry, and he's a damage dealer.
Trying to catch your Toro on the glimpse back!
static storm all in hook shot sonic wave and it's still not enough your toros alive and he's healthy too
he's not limping away he turns some fire back around on navi and the rest of spirit come through
to collect they get three kills and now a tower to drop gold and help you take this objective
navi threw all of their ults on this man and it did nothing as they couldn't they couldn't get the
The Wind Ranger in there. The Wind Ranger got stuck on rambles into the terrorized Roo really
disjointed that play. So look at VKVs, it's kind of hard to just run through. Without the Wind Ranger
getting a focus fire off here. Yeah, the damage going in. Look, he gets rambled into the terrorized,
into the hole, and just 100 to 0. Got the juice gun annihilated. Trying to follow up on that play.
So that's the difference nature there.
You will need an early BKB in this game. It's probably going to have to be the only BKB.
There's too much crowd control. I mean, that's always the deal with the Mars matchup.
You can't really play Winner Ranger in a Mars without early BKB.
Unless you want to be useless, which is always an option. You know,
everybody who plays pubs knows that you can be useless as a carry.
Like, that is a route to go in the game.
It's a route that many pub players take.
Boot up that game instant lock Phantom Lancer, you're already well on your way to be worthless.
Now honestly, I respect it.
You're respecting useless?
I respect the players that queue up and just, like, first pick PL.
What the hell is wrong with you?
What?
You respect that?
You know what, yeah, like a sick twisted way, you know
Do you also respect serial killers?
Dedication depends on the serial killer. It's a lifestyle, you know
No, not condoning. It's just that
There's a certain level of like, you know, okay
It's turning out dedication to crap. Yeah, it's like I get the game you're playing man
Okay. The sick and twisted game indeed. Well, Navi there, Rocket Flare in the pit watching
this roach go down. What are you going to do about it? You have your Largo at it. I can't
fight into this Beastman, so he's just too strong. He is too big, man. Blink are he done?
Now he has an Aegis. Almost 15. Yutoro, he's in town. He's charging tickets to the show.
expensive tickets. Between him and Largo they got quite the little music fest going on.
Let's go grab with the yules. Definitely steps up this little combo. Still ticks out.
If two heroes can kill your queen like that, 1800 HP Queen of Pain dies to two heroes.
you're gonna start to lose a lot of map control because that is an insane amount of threat right now.
Yeah.
And it looked a little close, but they also overlap their stuns a lot.
Right.
They run mid and bramble at the same time.
Still got her.
I like the ULs a lot more.
I like this ULs build more in this game than the other one we saw because Murrell has
this dark world that can play with him and utilize it.
So it's a setup for multiple heroes in this game and you have a lot of damage follow up.
So I think it makes this utility item a lot better.
Whereas if you didn't have the damage valve, if this Jules does not give you any offensive threat, then it feels way more of a dead item to me, like we saw earlier today.
So I think it makes sense here.
Plus gives you some nice utility against the Windranger until the BKB is up. It's another catch, and down the juice has to play around.
And there's another quick setup on as IST is gone. He really has not found much with the clockwork in this one.
Yeah, but the strength of the Beastmaster, making it so that Navi can't really take T-Fights,
and then now the Yoles on the Void Spirit,
kind of ensuring they have the catch.
I don't know what Navi does until they did BKBs.
They miss their window to snowball this game with some of the early kills.
Yeah.
Disruptor clock are not going to offer you a lot from a defense side of things.
Largo goes down just to...
keep Largo at bay.
Almost died otherwise.
Riddies.
He'll be hunted down.
Got the static storm first though.
So maybe they can get a kill on Dark Will
and return to the sonic wave going out, taking out two...
Nope, he gets denied by Morel.
Nicely done.
Meanwhile, Yatoro just jumping into the middle of these heroes,
dropped the golem on a PMA.
Not dead yet with the Zagatum Scepter.
The Boars are hitting him.
The Golems are trying to hit him.
PMA's just playing his little tune and staying alive.
They've lost the Aegis and now Morel's going to make sure
make sure that Yatoro doesn't die a second time. Somehow. That did not go well for Team
Spirit. Yatoro thought, ah, I've got an axe. I've got an Aegis. I've got a blink
dagger. He could just jump and kill the Largo, but just a little bit shying on the damage.
Frog is tanky. That tanky boy, he's dealing some damage to now. Do not underestimate his
strength at this point in the game. If he survives, does that mean to do Frogs like
Bors? No, stay away from the biology fax, Austin. It's not your story. Leave it to the expert here.
Well, they're gonna try again on PMA and he hasn't healed himself up to full yet.
So it's a real possibility except for the fact that there's a whole team behind him. It seems like
like Team Square to... Did they make a read that that was happening? Or are they just...
They didn't have a read it, so it's kind of a hard go no matter what. No golem either.
It gets through. You just torment your goal. Yeah, I gotta go back and do it without an issue.
Alright, check out the trees because they had the scan on them. They didn't see them going through
gate so they're just trying to make sure awkward's not hanging around or whoever whoever it was
make sure they get the last hit on the tormentor still though nabby get a lot around the map in
return yeah i don't feel this was that bad about time period for all of you they got a lot on this
winranger who again needs bkb to enter these fights closing in on the queen of pain acts as well
these are gonna be big items with larko behind them like larko's gonna have a lot of the damage on
on this Windranger club. It's scary. They're gonna melt some heroes. If they can just land
a quick shackle or hookshot into, I guess shackles, kind of only stuns on this beast,
to me that could be the fight. Shackle them up, BKB, run in, focus fire, Yatoro down.
You might be able to burst him before you can do anything about it. That's an ideal scenario.
I am not convinced that Navi is confident enough to go on Yutoro, you know what I mean?
Well, I think they are if the Shackle is, but Shackle is kind of your only way to map against him.
I mean, you make that play, but there's a lot of interference, right?
Last time he got brampled into Terrorize, there's Golem Drop.
Like, it takes very little for them to disrupt the combo that they have to hit in order to kill Yutoro 100 to 0.
I can play the long fight with Queen Axe plus Largo Song.
You can just bail each other out from the beast damage.
Maybe you don't have to kill Yatoro early, just stop him killing you in a roar.
Yeah, that for me seems like...
Okay, not the position for the cogs, sadly.
As Yatoro sees them, he goes,
Well, I have this little dagger thing that'll get me to the other side of those cogs, kills the clockwork, BKBs, two piece away.
Yes, that guy up.
It's not really building a lead with this Beastmaster strength though.
No, it's kind of stagnated.
In fact, the...
The graphs are all 50-50 pretty much.
I don't like that because I feel like Na'Vi's chances of winning fights goes up dramatically when they get to BKB.
BKB, Wendranger, maybe BKB, QWOP.
I think this queen with the Largo buff should be really strong in the fight.
Throwing daggers out on this lineup.
You have melee hero Void Spirit, melee hero Mars, melee hero Beastmaster.
If you don't burst heroes down in your ulti's, that's a theory.
You get stuck in these long fights where you're just getting daggers thrown on you, there's no way to win that over the long.
And on the other side of that coin, it also the healing factor for Navi because of the Largo, right?
It's like the longer the fight goes, if you don't burst somebody down, they get more and more healing out of Largo,
more and more damage over time out of Largo.
It has to be quick from Spirit. They have to get in there, find their targets, land roar, land Spirit, arena.
Burst that guy down, chain it with the Terrorize.
Don't let Nobby control Wendy's VKV's go off and who's getting focused down to them if
that can go your way.
Still a solid lead here, a lot of it on the Beastmaster.
Collapse is looking bottom.
Both baiting out this lane, the chancel.
That'll be the death of Collapse, the CP gets off any spells.
Not BoFZS's ring, but now glimpsed on a Panto for a plus one.
Well set up a little bait there on that wave.
a lot of waves that he can farm right now. Another attempt by Yator to kill Largo, this
time around they will have a chain stun off of the roar to ensure he doesn't play his
way out of danger. He just beat that frog to death.
What? Nothing about frogs. What are you talking about, man?
I was going to learn a new buzz.
Eekoo blinking for power rune. It's an invis. That's...
...fortuitous.
Double four kill.
Double kill.
Okay, a replay of the frog beatdown. No, it's a replay of the Mars beatdown. Maybe it'll go to the frog.
Is there anything more sad? Oh my god! That's a water jug right there, boy. It's hydration
on. That is a hydro homie for sure, god damn. You think he drinks the whole thing throughout
the series? Like by the end of it will that be empty? You do actually need to hydrate
out when you play.
When you play Dota or you play Mars or offlane, when you play anything, play the game of
life, and you gotta stay hydrated, alright.
Make sure you drink your water home.
Quick shout out to all you viewers, all you dehydrated viewers, watching this game through
through the haze right now.
Can't tell what's going on because your brain's fogged up.
Got to feed her.
Make sure to drink water.
Stay in school.
We'll do that right now.
Don't do drugs, drink your water, and beat frogs to death,
and you can be a successful Dota pro, just like these kids.
Don't just make sure to not actually do toxic.
They probably didn't know that, huh?
They probably didn't drink enough water.
They dropped out of school.
The drugs, I don't know about, but...
They're on Dota.
Oh, Slotik Gatoro in half HP.
I thought it was going to be a hookshot for sure.
Got the juice, has to use these.
BKB pretty early here.
Now the hookshot in.
Catching Gatoro.
Gatoro gets off the roar.
Stopping the focus by his damage.
He's in trouble.
But now, but once it's done, so is he.
Nice pin there from collapse.
Unfortunately, a lot of the damage is out the window once the Beastmaster is dead.
That just means Navi get to do whatever they want.
Glimps back on the collapse for a second kill, a third one on the panto.
And that'll be the end of it, Na'Vi taking over the Roshan site.
Taking over this game, these fights are... do not look easy for Spirit.
Yeah, your Beastmaster is mega far, but as we saw there, their spells in this game decite him.
Sonic Wave can push him off the target, Hookshot can stall him up in the BKB duration.
Both of them landed on Yatoro there.
His fights just kind of shot, and what else is happening outside of his presence?
I think that was... what was more relevant?
This is a very forced engagement.
It's almost already half HP at start this.
He has to just try and run in.
Like, this is never gonna work out.
No, it's not.
Maybe if Arena lands on Got the Juice before he can be gave you out of it.
He's gonna put some damage into this one ranger,
but I think your beast is already dead to around a what?
The Queen has a free fight.
Spirit trying to find something in return.
They do get the Aegis.
Real time, yeah.
Taking away the Aegis nice and early.
It's a great pickup.
Well, that'll equalize it a little bit, but...
Still worried for them about how far Navi's getting on the Queen plus there's three cores together
And I think they're three cores together just looks scary here as we scale
Yeah, right now they have their level three ults on all of their cores on Navi
And strong can't say the same about the void spirit Mars. I
Think it's Queen of pain gets to play the fight with multiple dagger spawns
I think that's just a GG in the fight.
Oh yeah.
Any fight that lasts longer than like 3 or 4 seconds without Spirit getting a kill is just
automatically lost.
I don't think that ever really changes.
Like, even as this game goes late, I think they actually become more and more dependent on the burst damage.
More and more dependent that, like, say, Collapse scales up, and he's able to make good, like, scythe arena initiations.
You know?
I don't know if he's scaling up this game.
Yeah, I'm awful.
It's a very theoretical conversation.
The reality is, a lot of this is on the back of Utoro.
With his roar very easily kills science that's a preview
I'm surprised how he haven't tried to work for more flights
They've gotten some fights, but I feel like most of the fights they've gotten have been
spirit forcing, so objective or something, and they respond.
It's not their initiative, which to me they seem super strong right now, and that you
have a disruptor that you can chase heroes down on the map, you catch the solid.
Yeah, but is there any problem with you letting this game go longer by being defensive?
I see things like that, I think they're just nice little simple plays, they're going to
get you some map control, you have a gem running right now, so it gets you a power, it's a
good power as well.
I also do think this disruptor-largo combo is pretty nice, might be one we see a little
bit more.
Just being able to drag heroes reliably into Largo's A. Lee and keep the fight centered
around him seems pretty good conceptually and it's just a very solid catch hero
with mega range which is kind of what larger lands you know it almost reminds
me of the Dune Disruptive Convict.
You just make the enemy look into the face of them.
The Devil on the Frog, very similar.
Rocket Flare, almost with this knife.
The little Jack that's going to the Beastmaster claims his own shard.
Still mega far.
Do you think he's going to need a refresher at some point?
There comes the smoke move.
It's not quite catching spirit before they get back to this choke point area, so...
Again, to me, that's a response play. It's not be responding to spirit through an objective.
In this instance, they're even late to the party, which is worse.
Like, why was Navi not just threatening to do tormentor, you know?
Are they that afraid of taking the fighting fight?
Got the juice, has to use BKB in a hurricane pipe to shovel away the heroes.
P&A just goes charging in the roar and they're going to all in for the frog.
Spotted away trying to push back these heroes, but the golem dropped it.
Got him. Niku with the BKB asked to blink back, but he's very low.
Morrell is going to chase after him, got a cursed crown on him.
Niku's going to get another blink off.
Hookshot trying to stop these heroes from chasing after.
Shackleshot turned around with a focus fire.
Got the juice, got the kill.
Well, salvages this exchange a lot from the enemy, as they were otherwise getting healthy
there.
Did Collapsus miss the spear on Windranger?
Yeah, he thought he was going to keep moving forward, but he just stood there.
Would that have saved him?
He wouldn't have stunned, but maybe even just a small pushback might have bailed him out
there.
That is the best way to juke a pro player, which is don't move.
Very bold by Largo to go in like this.
No PKB.
He's strong, but I don't think you're that strong, my man.
Especially without BKB, you will get changed, son.
If the whole team is going in together,
maybe his death can result in someone else dying
to get the ultimate chew.
It's not like he just stopped moving.
He was still for like two or three seconds.
Just pick up on the disruptor.
Okay, Spirit, find some lights in this game right now.
Left Windrage is dangerous and she tore apart that void Spirit and now has a Daedalus.
He's the real threat in this game as it goes later and later.
Co-op and Largo are your teamfighter, but this is the guy that's going to cut through
These isolated heroes, super fast.
Obviously the only real issue is lack of direct lockdown.
Yeah, they can never get to disrupt our eggs, that'll do a lot for their life.
That is of course going to be a long way away here.
Spirits still need to keep looking for objectives or some opportunities to build the league here.
And now he's making a move!
He even got a haste on the frog with this super cool Largo animation, look at him go.
Oh, he's singing his song now, stop singing the song.
We want to see the animation.
Down on the floor, look at him go!
He's a monster!
It's like a dog!
And like a dog, they're going to track down Team Spirit here.
Nice man to dodge.
Yatoro's so confident, didn't even use B.T.V.
Very, very fast kill.
I don't know, a focus fire was necessary, but goddamn, did it feel good.
It's pretty free at this point, me and 30 second cooldown.
Did you get to the Hex on the Mars, which I think is a big component of the game?
They're just paying that, but they're just gonna go out there.
If the fight happens right now, there's no focus fire.
In fact, they're gonna jump, got the juice with the Scythe of Ice,
they're trying to get a forced down, but he pounced off the wall and into the spear!
Still no, not dead. Okay, still got bursted and with Zayac, you try to get in there, try to stop him.
But the frog...
Wait, Sonic Wave hitting really strong.
Yutaro starts back away, but Niku's gonna chase after him. Nice spearfist.
The frog!
That is beautiful, but the frog, the frog just keeps marching on and on and on.
Ribbit, ribbit.
Oh my god.
He's too powerful, he's too powerful, dude.
Oh my god.
The frog's rehearsed before, it's what...
What was that?
This frog is out for blood. Look at that DPS coming out from the Largo.
It was a great jump from Spirit. They got the target they want. They get the Winter Ranger with the surprised hex.
All in got the juice very close. He gets forced, gets delivered, but does not get out of that arena.
I think you're getting changed into doing, but then you forgot about me.
You know, there's a plane that's full of...
Largo above.
All over ya.
That is so problematic.
And why I don't really care if Navi isn't being aggressive if they're strong, like...
Ultimately, isn't Spirit always going to be just a one and done?
That reaction is...
Stupid freaking fraud, man!
They are a little bit. That's why I think they need refreshers in this game.
I think they need a refresher Mars, I think they need a refresher Beast, and then they
can take a fight like that.
Cause then you can just refresh, throw out another arena, throw out another roar, take
the frog down, and then your cruise, I guess so.
So I don't think you can just super sit on your laurels here if you're not going to,
oh we're going to always outscale you.
The thing is, the refreshers, they're thinking about Nullifier on collapse and they're thinking
about Lincoln's on your Toro, so.
These refreshers if they come out are going to be a long way away.
I don't know if I like this Lincoln's on your tour.
Why does he really blocky that he has to block this game?
I don't see it.
Versus having a refresher which they desperately need for these long fights.
Maybe you're just playing out getting a refresher shard.
Which I guess he does here.
So that's another way you can kind of play around it.
But he gives it the collapse.
Which is also very good with it.
Who is that damaged by the way on Roche?
It's just a powered Vantub Bloodthorn, yes master.
Skiro's uh...
Skiro's pretty strong.
I think it's still funny how like...
When you get to this point on the frog, you're just playing your song and moving fast through jungle areas and killing the camps as you go.
It's crazy efficient.
It's also really annoying to have to listen to this on repeat for an entire game.
I don't mind this song.
Kind of wish you would play another one of this song sometimes.
I'm just gonna play Collapse, got the scythe, spear, onto Largo.
All in for the frog!
They've got him. Good sonic wave from Niku in response.
Now he's been scythe.
Oh, he's got a four-staff away from the arena!
What a sick four-staff!
The spear back from Collapse, he's gonna be glimpsed and BKB fades away, stuck inside the conch.
Got the juice ripping apart with the power shot.
Now, Yatoro at half, they're trying to focus him down, but he's gone into the round of the roar.
So, he's... see, Got the juice trying to keep his distance right now.
As he uses the QWOP and they got him inside the static storm, he's not gonna be able to get off the roar in the first life.
A buyback from Collapse.
Now on the second life, roar goes out on the Windranger, BKB, Windrun, no problem, no damage being taken.
Got the juice now goes back to that focus fire and takes out your Toro
The buyback from collapse is just not gonna work to save your Toro
But it might be enough to get the co-op to get him now comes got to do what the beautiful shackle like it both
God's both of all the crit and now a glimpse back for a tie-back on all three well got the juice
It's all drunk. He's got every bit of that. He just sucked it all dry
Okay, that's how it's green but you well well proven point there this lead shifts right Navi's well
14,000 damage from the queen by the way seven daggers thrown out so they're
buffed up by Sheeva's thumb buffed up by Largo the Largo went down early he did
have whisper of the dread plus the timeless debuff duration and spell
and perfect neutral item for this Queen of Pain and this is the issue with long
fights even when you take the Largo down first cleanly the fight still goes on so
long you're just trapped in this Queen of Pain health yes one of your corners is going to carry the fight
You kill one of them and then there's just like two others that are doing too much damage
Super good force out there though. If you get a rena spear on the Queen there, this fight could look different
But Navi had been on point with Utility and now Niku, he just goes and he's tired of everybody. He's doing so much damage
Yeah, you pick him up here at the end
But here he did the damage that he wants to do. Yeah, I was so focused on Gatorra
I didn't see Niku just ripping up the back line like he was.
is destroying this, but the only reason he goes down is you're committing multiple buybacks to this
exchange you had in ages on these, you had a lot of pressure charges this fight, you gotta remember
how many goodies did Spirit commit, just to try and get something from here. And then God the
Jew says, no no no no no no no no no no, nobody gets out of this fight, but me.
They got Gem off of that as well, man, buybacks, Gem being taken away from Spirit.
I can't believe they're only up 8k. I guess they were behind
in the Beast Network. The Beast Network was keeping this game afloat
but they have hit the iceberg and now that has thunk considerably.
That is a straight line down. The only time you want to see a straight line down in Dota
is on your network or the enemy's ping.
That's about it.
The enemy's ping?
Well, they're connection quality, not the...
Good news, guys.
Enemies being win from 200 to 50.
Yeah, it's the honor of the game, Austin.
Oh, that's the lowest thing in the world.
We all want a fair match here. No freebies.
Nobody's playing for there, just plus 30.
Yeah, 14,000 network swing off of that teamfight.
And they have some big items coming in.
Especially Talon too, they got the Queen 25, Largo's about to hit 25, the Winner Ranger has her 25 talent.
They got the Titanic on the Winner Ranger, they got Ag Statix Storm available too, so just massive upgrades across the board here for Nabi.
If they can land an Ag Statix Storm off any of their stuns now on these big core targets, that fight might just be over.
There's a Lincoln's on the co-op, I mean he is kitted dude, this Queen is.
Insanely disruptive in this game right now.
I'm gonna keep ya, I kept the whisper to Dredd.
Probably just keep it forever here until...
tier 5.
You got me, MA!
Yeah, just like tier left.
But yeah, he's gonna keep it.
That was like a jump scare.
He goes up to the cliff area and all of a sudden, rounding the corner.
The frog!
The frog coming!
Morale, BKB.
Dodged in the glimpse. They didn't actually get a bramble and a little grab here in PMA.
He's not really taking that much damage.
You've been destroyed in the fight.
Yeah, Toro, BKB, TP out for him.
Well, Navi not afraid of forcing the issue anymore.
They also have Syath.
Stalking collapse for a GP cancels as far as might not get back to base so cleanly here. That's dirty
To try and find him
Guess with the hookshot button this so collapse will get back
And that's why Navierre back in a way here. They can't stop collapse. They don't have the clock where he gets a five versus four
Still doable, but don't need to force it here
Spirit
Just a little late to stop Niku.
Remember, they've got Lincoln's now, so you have to get in here, pop it, and then stun
him with somebody else.
He's going to have to bloodthorne and then roar, roar in the bloodthorne or something.
That's triple Lincoln's across all three cores, and a lotus on Lago.
And remember, it's Lago.
With awkward.
Well, they caught science as he was trying to loop back to his team, because he was in
the bottom right part of the map and has to block this whole way through.
Now the Windrangers isolated here but he's already killed Yutoro and Qwap joins in now.
Sonic Wave pushing past, collapsed, collapsed.
They're really about to block some of the arrows but he's kind of stuck.
If he goes to one side then there's gonna be Qwap, pull back on Riddies, golem trying to chase him down.
It's not gonna catch up to him so all they'll get out of this is Diads and they'll lose two cores.
Yutoro died so fast. One shackle.
That's all it takes to fight.
That is all it takes in this game.
Now they bring it all together and the fights just seem really difficult for your tour anyway
because he has to get through so many effective lincoln's and boat assaults with Largo on the
field.
I don't know how you ever wore any of these anymore.
Heh heh heh.
Yeah, man.
Look at him.
He's dancing around.
Drop the banner. Buy back from New Toro. Now try to get out.
Got the juice. They bring him up with Lotus.
Linkins blocking the attempt of the Yule.
Meryl's not gonna be able to stop them from getting outside of the base.
Navi aren't full retreating, though.
They're still down to take the fight.
Perhaps 15 seconds till collapse is back up.
They should be down to fight. They have status door available.
You can find the opening with the Shiva, see a bunch of heroes, Sonic Wave.
Hits Yotaro, gets into about half HP already.
PMA's chasing after him, dagger after dagger.
Screen, Sonic, another one! They got him inside the fountain!
A dieback for Yotaro with nothing, no response from Team Spirit whatsoever.
He's yelling in their ring.
Look at him go man.
Too much power out of the top, out of the Largo, out of the Windranger.
They really played this draft to its exact moment.
They were very patient.
To be even almost too patient, but...
When that ball gets rolling, this draft is just disgusting.
spirit of any chance of winning those fights, despite how good about teamfight execution
team they are.
It's just impossible.
Especially in the Ultra late.
Like I think this Beast Largo matchup is interesting because you can kinda help tempo
and you can do faster roaches.
Your axe is better for a lot of that early in the game, but in the late game it's not
even close, because this guy with Encore and Lotus and Linkins, you're never gonna land
another roar in your entire life.
It just cuts it off completely.
And if you can't land Roars with this hero, it feels very new.
Especially if he's your character.
If you can't land Roars with Karrie, then what are we doing here in the late game?
So, I feel like Spirit missed their windows who snowballed this game more and
I think Navi understood that pretty well.
Like, Dave, they're just playing for the later timings.
You have overwhelming chase down and kill threat with the Winter Ranger
co-op in the late game that's just going to kite this triple melee line-up.
Sleeping out of the game.
Cool trap by Navi. Honestly, I think it ended up coming together pretty well.
Very well played, and the hard times continue for Team Spirit.
Yup, wish there was a way to sugarcoat it, but unfortunately not.
Navi got exactly what they had in mind.
Spirit decided to make a pivot, extending this Beastmaster to carry and getting a Ophoid Spirit for Morrell.
And Skavi did not blink an eye.
I will continue war-going all over you.
Oh, my god, it did that.
This keeps licking. You can't stop the man.
Keep licking?
And I think this game is honestly...
And how Spirit's form is right now is an important reminder that nobody wins forever.
That was a very, very hard game with a lot of teams vying for that top spot.
And I kind of like it when the epic teams have like down periods.
Because it reminds you that everybody's human.
It's true.
Everybody can fall.
everybody believes that's right and everybody's thirsty but he drinks big
pitch is a war no one can blame them for not being hydrated much I can't blame
them for missing a Mars arena boom I saw that for staff or not missed a Mars
arena yeah but if a quiet game from him this time are we starting the thing now
I don't know what you're talking about if you continue to analyze okay just
I'm waiting to thank you.
For what?
Okay, I'll speak normally.
Yeah, for Spirit, for a while it looked pretty good for them, but they definitely ran into issues,
or if they weren't executing perfectly, they were just getting beat up.
Like, the one thing that comes to mind is when we injure through a shackle at Beastmaster,
and then you throw out, like, preemptively BKB, which would make sense in a lot of cases,
because if he's shackled there, he dies, but you make one mistake, or like, one misjudgment,
misjudgment and you're committed to the fight. So you BKB, you have to chase after the win ranger,
you die there. If I like for Spirit to win this game, they have to kind of pull off
all of their spells perfectly and find the opportunities to do so, whereas Navi had the
ease of execution as the game went on. Yeah, I mean the Manta Bloodthorn build for Beastmaster,
I think is much more of a, like play the map consistently, scale better with farm,
look at you're gonna farm faster than going like the Shiva's refresher route, like that's more of
of a mid-eastmaster as well, but it was very clear that he had to BKB right at the start
of fights, but then they only had enough damage to kill one guy at the start of every fight.
So when that's the formula I've noticed you just have to go refresher.
Like, there's just no alternative.
So I think that's something where once you go the Manta though, it doesn't really fit.
You can't go like Manta refresher.
You just don't have like the mana and they don't synergize those two items.
So, I think, I've experienced this as a carry player
where you just, you have an item that builds naturally
into the next item, but you know the next item
actually should have been a different item.
But you have to commit.
Otherwise you're kind of like half-assing
two different builds.
You don't have to ask two things, whole-ass one thing.
Yeah, whole-ass the wrong thing, exactly.
Whole-ass the single thing.
Yes.
Was automization also what you were focused on
for your highlights from the game?
No, actually, it does play out.
My highlights from this game were playing off the fact
that Team Spirit really only had the damage,
one-time volley of killing one guy. This is the later fights where they're up by 5k and they all
in commit. They kill the Windranger. That's fantastic and it's looking really good for them. Even
Clockwork goes down, but this is what I was talking about where the fight persists and the difference
here is that Navi has a Largo as well as a QWAP who are dishing out so much damage that they
effectively take this fight 3v5 in the sense that after all the spells from Team Spirit have been
cast it is now a 3v5 or I guess a 3v4 because Warlock was dead for this. But this is the same
Same thing here, where instead of it being the Windranger, now it's the Largo, where they have the damage, they have the capability to focus this one guy,
and he's going to go down, once again, ages on the side of Team Spirit, everything on paper, yeah, the four staff kind of ruins the arena,
but everything on paper made sense for Team Spirit, they're up by 6k, they were up by 5k in the previous fight,
But then these long drawn out fights, you know, Quinn was literally
vicariously enjoying this game through Nico as you're seeing the daggers be thrown out on stop.
But yeah, though, it's just the duration of the fights is what I wanted to highlight here.
And I do think it just, I'm not saying it's like purely Yachtrose fault.
I'm saying they're like, it is a vision of the game from the side of Team Spirit that they were not
prepared for the fights to go this long, thinking that I think they all had this idea that if they kill a crucial
target at the start, that's gonna be enough. And then it just ended up not being enough
because two of the three cores on Navi were tearing you apart after the initial jump.
It just mattered who the two out of three were. I don't think Navi particularly cared.
I would have thought that from maybe Spirit's perspective, the idea was, okay, if we kill
Largo, the guy who's healing everybody, then a long fight isn't as big of a deal.
True.
And they did that.
And then the co-op daggers.
Exactly.
Yeah.
One problem grew into multiple problems.
Perhaps if they were able to kill Largo at like the 28 minute fight,
then that would have been enough.
Just if I can kill one guy, then I can kill the whole team.
Exactly.
I think it's a matter of when you're able to play the map
and you don't have to consistently fight heads on, heads up,
then you can play that sort of style.
But the second that you make that one or two mistakes
and you no longer feel like it's map play,
it's more just head on team fights,
then you've already built for the other style,
but it's not the reality anymore.
So then you end up in the spot that they're in.
Things change quickly in a game of Dota.
Things change quickly around here also
because I want some more insight from my analysts,
but I feel like we've been making things a little bit too easy
on all of them.
So I'm gonna add some debuffs as I ask some questions,
such as a question to Quinn.
Quinn, if we're looking forward to game number two,
you think they maybe need to change some bands and picks
and while they're doing that
and while you're telling me about that,
you are going to struggle to pronounce hero names correctly.
What new heroes should they think about?
I mean, I think they could look at the corp themselves.
The corp?
Because I think it was kind of owning that game.
Morse was not, was not like, I don't know.
It was a bit iffy, misty arena.
It's not what we typically see from collapse on his Morse.
I mean, there's like the classics, like the Mangaes.
Have we seen in the past?
But we haven't seen Mangaes in a while.
I've kind of, I've been hoping for it, but it's not,
it's not up in a reality.
Especially in Kohlaps, his hands.
Yeah, in Kohlaps.
More Lockenstein.
Oh, that's a new one.
He was doing OK.
Yeah.
He's all right.
But that's sort of the issue with Spear right now, right?
They've got some disconnects, you know?
You don't see the rude spurt.
And they don't mix together, you know?
They've sort of isolated their islands.
No man is an island.
Neither is a burst most of them.
Well done, Quinn.
Well done.
I'm proud of you on that one.
I had good analysis as well because,
Effie, I feel like I've got still questions
about how this game 2 is supposed to play out.
I have such high expectations for Spirit,
and I want to know what you think,
if you only answer other questions.
Why was it?
I saw a panelist.
Why was it that when Spirit had an Aegis,
they just lost every single fight?
Why was that? Why were the initiations going wrong? Could the Void Spirit potentially be overvalued?
Could there be a critical error in judgment? Who knows? Nobody knows. Why? Who knows?
Do you think the Void Spirit shouldn't have been picked at all then? Like, should the Beastmaster have been left mid and they go with a carry hero?
Why can you not see what they see?
Why are you incapable of seeing the vision of these geniuses?
Who's vision?
Why is it?
Why does spirit?
Use a handful of why.
Who?
Who's?
What?
How?
Who's vision is it?
I don't know. Who's vision is it?
You tell me.
When? When was it come up with?
It may have happened when
Violent can't have that vision.
Why not Violent?
Why not Panto?
Why Panto when?
Do you think Panto is having a tough time with play,
replacing Maposhka in regards to the vision for the game in the draft mirror?
Do you think Pant is having a tough time?
That was the easiest one, that was the worst.
I was trying not to do that one.
Why was I trying to not do that one?
You exited Grace Boy, well done Mira.
And now Brian, as we are prepping for game number two,
I want you to give me words of praise for the things that Navi did well.
But you gotta do it because we missed your gym session this morning.
Yeah, so Navi in the game, I feel like they had a good idea
of exactly how the team fights were gonna play out
and they chose to patiently play them up.
And during that time, even though they knew
that somebody had to walk in and tank the initiation,
Mira is that about four kilos?
Thank you.
Even though somebody had to walk in
and take the initiation,
that at the end of the day,
what Navi had that game that they didn't have yesterday
was a close enough game,
where the close enough game where they didn't lose so bad
out of the laning phase that they got to execute.
I don't even know that's not a problem.
Which one is this?
I didn't know I was,
I'll give you your pad back now, Mira.
I've never seen that exercise in my life.
But honestly, I believe in RV
when it comes to team fight execution.
And when it comes to being able to,
if they're not too far out of the lanes,
and in this game, I'm a big fan of PMA's Largo.
I'm not going to lie to you, and at first, when I saw Collapse play at the first day,
it's not a flame on Collapse, I was questioning this hero's ability to scale.
But there was not a lack of single target damage on the other team, but the secret to
that is just pick two other carries.
So have three carries as a way to deal with the Beastmaster, I'm running out of the ability
to do push-ups.
That's okay, Brian.
You've done your job because it's not you that I want to break a sweat out, Team Spirit,
things are getting dangerous for them. We're going to see if they can recover in game number two after the break.
I never dreamed I'd guess what ever it is
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I fear, I love just a few
Though I'm not one to pretend
This is the day that I must say goodbye to you
It's what I got to do
Enough, enough
I can't think more
Enough, enough
It all went wrong
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you
Than anything
I remember the days
We couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we seek, and on the road we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough! Enough!
I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough! Enough!
I can't go on
Enough! Enough!
You know when
Enough! Enough!
I don't know why, but it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I don't know why But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
Enough, enough, I can't go on Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye!
Come on, let's go!
I took a train ride
Through a delactic paradise
I found a moon rock
Bouncing around my eyes
For the ocean
It was a gift I paid my dues
And grabbed my ticket
For the best adventure
I'm on my way
And I'm taken to where it may be
I'm on my way
And you don't get free
Let's take those stars and speak to the future
I'm on my way
To the best adventure
It's the best
The best adventure
I know our cast has been feeling left out of all of our crashing activities, so I made
sure we got a packed house for this game 2 draft because I've got some tie-dying for
for you to do a pair of socks for each of you.
Captain.
How do you tie Dave's socks?
Is they like this?
Did they give the same tying pattern for the socks?
No.
OK.
This is more, it's going to be more improvisational.
OK.
So go ahead and grasp it however you choose.
There are gloves.
There are eight.
That's one way to grasp it.
And remember, socks are important for the final score.
We're going to get two points for the winner of the best shirt
And one point for the winner of the best sock.
I would not advise...
Hi, Dimey Daddy!
I'm not gonna say anything.
There's something off.
Hello.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I will prompt you over once while you just...
Was that comfortable?
That was beautiful, thank you.
I hear a good sock, you know, sock...
I don't even know why they gave you microphones.
We hear enough of you during the game.
Focus on the craft.
Yeah, get the geolinks, fox.
I'll be happy to answer your question.
I think you're wearing socks is he not wearing socks?
I am!
This is my feet!
You want to take a tie into the top?
Oh, thank you.
There are different ways that you tie them that will make the pattern differently.
But if it's the way however you want to do it, like you can pinch it somewhere.
Like the easiest thing I imagine is...
Neo, can you hear me twice?
Your hands are going to get colored through if I do it like that.
From the middle?
That's why.
Nice jacket.
Like just pinch from the middle and then tie that.
Thanks.
And then just keep making little balls.
People at home every said nice faces.
Do you know what I mean?
This is what I did.
You just did something little.
I said nice legs.
Actually, hold on.
I don't care about the points.
So I don't care how the socks look.
Okay.
You guys care about the points.
You can sabotage it.
I'm gonna do whatever's easiest for me.
There you go.
tie the thing here and then you just do another like little twisty thing and you tie it again
and then you just keep twisting and tying and then you've dyed different colors and then you dye it
after you tie it you dye it after you tie it oh that's where it's wrong yeah
there's other ways you can do it you can do like horizontal folds and things like that
Why are you laughing at me?
Because I know how competitive you are, Mira.
And so I know that, like, I'm afraid I'm not going to do a good enough job for you.
That's what I'm afraid of.
That's okay, because I don't know how to do this either.
So I'm with that.
Holy, that was great.
Listen, if we lose, it's purely a skill issue.
He shot a Boba Band by our heads like a rocket.
He's trying to get revenge from the time that I nailed him in the head with the bow and arrow.
The bow and arrow.
Suctioned right to my forehead.
Alright, Avery's quietly working away. I need my analysts to focus Windranger, yet again, is a first phase pick.
As far as Navi is concerned, for banning out Shadow Demon, Underlord, Kez, Templar, Assassin, and J'Kyro,
here they ban out the Shadowfiend, a tree and protector, Batrider, Largo, and Huskar.
Respond to the Windranger with a Mars, and a follow-up with a Warlock for support.
They're kind of running it back, but I do understand the Mars idea versus the Windranger.
It's a great hero against her. It reduces her damage significantly and keeps getting arenaed.
But we saw last game how quickly it can go bad if you don't have a secondary means to chase or fight.
Because when Klops wasn't hitting the big arenas or when it was used on one target,
what happens next?
Isn't that right, Brian?
Stop paying attention to what Avery is doing, Brian. You did this, Neal. You brought this on yourself.
I'm confiscating the microphones. Give me the microphones right now.
I think it's fine to run it back. I did hear most of what you said, Mira. I was just getting distracted by him saying, oh, yeah.
But no, I do think that they, like, there's a reason that Team Spirit's willing to pick the first two heroes the same as they did last game.
And I don't mind that approach.
I like the lobby change there change it up
I think it's kind of a cap when the winning team runs back the same draft it's off time the losing team is gonna adjust
Oh, yeah, so I feel like you also have to pre adjust for their adjustment because they're like if you pick the same 14 15
They're gonna respond with slightly different 16 17
It's then gonna throw you off guard so you you be the one to initiate the whoa
They did something different because you don't feel and start off unless you're the the grand finals last game of blast 5
Which is the exact same run back all ten heroes. Yeah, that one's weird because Tundra should have lost both games
But the options kind of choke both games. I don't really blame Falcons
And you don't really blame Tundra either. I always blame Tundra. Okay
They're going to change things up by giving a
Puck to morale instead of a void spirit. So that's one variable that has been modified. I
I think that is a very good variable to modify because it's not just today's game
but yesterday when we watched Spirit play he also got his hands on Void Spirit
which makes me wonder if it's one of his best heroes or comfort heroes. It's just
the way that it plays out in professional Dota is that if it falls behind or
doesn't do what's needed of it, it falls behind pretty quickly. Whereas Puck I
feel is a bit easier to play around and with on its timings like it farms without
really extending its kill spells. And when you have a hero like Ringmaster that shows
up for the enemy team, suddenly you're like, oh, I want to silence.
What's your pick for the-
Are you ready to start coloring SVG? Okay, you've placed it inside. Take some gloves.
You don't do gloves?
He doesn't do gloves. He's shaking his head fervently. Cap is participating. He's a team
player.
He's taking the gloves.
Known glove lover.
Have you ever given me a thumb's up?
That's the way you're just gone, Avery?
No.
Color.
Color the sock.
Do they have time to color the sock?
He's got time to color the sock.
It's like squirt a little on it.
That's all I need.
I just need a little squirt.
We need a little squirt.
I need a little squirt.
Do it in the tub.
Don't squirt over here.
I'll squirt in the tub.
Yeah, I'll color it in the tub.
No, no, why'd you take it off?
Whoa, no, no, you have to take it off.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You squirt.
That's going to get all over you.
I know, but I don't have the time.
You can squirt fast.
Yeah, you can squirt.
Yeah, there you go.
We didn't even have a goosh, which needed squirt.
Please, Cap, this is for the points, bro.
There's still two minutes of reserve time.
Cap, relax.
Tiny gets picked up by a navi, which means that...
Am I looking at a core, Tiny, here?
Yeah, it is.
Water resistance.
Core tiny.
Look at this.
They are?
Don't, don't, don't suck up anything.
I mean...
What, what did you say?
It's water resistance?
Yeah.
Not a crank.
I mean...
It doesn't do anything!
Okay, well that, I couldn't have accounted for actually.
It's, it's, it's mega sculpt.
Are they actually not?
Yeah, they're not.
It just rolls right off.
It's actually water resistance socks.
What is that?
That makes sense, because your feet get wet more often.
These are not 100% cotton.
Okay. This may have been a poorly executed idea on my part, and I apologize.
I will take the fall for this.
It was funny, though.
Gentlemen, take your posts that you're casting us.
You can't hit a lot of camera.
Why don't I write my participation croquis?
I think they did.
I will, uh...
Holy crap, that was like...
Dang.
I got hit in the face with a glove.
Thanks, sir.
Is this the bow and arrow all over again?
You got hit in the face?
Aw.
Like a little bedtime story.
Did you know that in medieval times, if somebody swapped you in the face with a glove, that
was a challenge to a duel.
I need to be a picking lesion commander right now, then.
I hope not.
Heroes, cheat.
Amen.
I could have said a better one myself.
That was core tiny, though.
You said you don't like it, Quinn.
It's dust.
The last tournament that hero had like a 30% win rate and I think that's even high for mid-tiny.
I think that grabbed his absolute dog water.
He just runs out of damage and you're playing against a lot of teamfight, you're playing
against some tanky heroes and some hard to catch heroes.
And I also think that the Tiny Against Puck is like, sure, you counter him sorta, but
you need follow-up damage, like you have a little in the ringmaster, but I think the
execution of all this stuff is very high, especially when you're playing against counter-initiation
from Rina and Rock, but it's not as easy as it may look.
It's a bit of a fake counter.
I love it.
I liked the hoodwink because it deals with a lot of the other counters like DK.
Like a lot of these like kind of beefy boys that pressure puck in line.
So I think the hoodwink kind of forced their hand a bit is all I'm saying.
Like when you're thinking about the puck counters on paper,
they could have gone for a hero like Ember or something,
but you know, you died a puck rather than the other way around.
So I just, all I'm trying to say is I see why they picked it.
I'm not saying I think it's good
What do you think of this formal borst?
It's good against warlock any hero that doesn't really slain that much or cuts waves or can burst waves or any type of shenanigans always be nice
by BKB
Which is like kind of mandatory in this game. You want to hear that like waltz BKB?
He probably needs the BKB or formal borst
It's super good versus Hedwig as well. She suffers very heavily versus Primal's who are really crunching her
breaks all the trees and her spells are kind of hard to cast on him because he's
really fast and moving around usually.
Yeah, no that is it's a very very good Primal game. I'm curious what Gidoro wants for last pick. Faceless Void.
Where are you plucking that out of the- I actually think it's a really good Faceless Void game.
Holy! Ryan's slam jamma!
Take it from here, Ryan Pelley.
That's quite a panda big box.
Primal's just one of the few laners you can actually trade with.
Because his base attack time's really bad.
And then Primal's like an all-in kill-you hero with W plus Q.
And Pit Boy time walks that off.
Tiny gets messed up by time dilation.
You want to be a carry that doesn't mind being tossed back in.
Because their follow-up really isn't that great.
But if I'm like a ranged carry getting tossed and tucked to cogs, that does feel really awful.
So this game, it's gonna be really hard to take him down.
So now they've got like two mobile guys that Tiny and Primal are responsible for catching
and then they've got a Gajillion's four forms of counter initiation on the side of Team Spirit.
And there's not too much like early to mid game objective taking on the side of Navi.
So whenever I see that, I'm like, okay, you have you have time for a cool down based like Spectre Void archetype
where you don't have to fight them unless you want to.
So that's why I thought the Void pick would be nice.
Alright, I'm here for it. I mean, Gatorra's Void is one of the best. We haven't seen it in a long time.
They remember him completely carrying games single-handedly at EWC a few years ago with this hero.
Obviously, the hero is in the same place, but it used to be, but this is one of the games where it could look really good.
I do wonder how it will play out on paper with all of the meta changes over the last year and a half.
Yeah, I'm here for it.
If we killed somebody, American Psycho!
That's him. That's what we call him backstage.
How are you feeling about the two drafts?
I agree. I think it's a cool void game. I think it's about as good a void game as you'll ever get.
Which I think is fun to see because Utaro is just straight up Lee Sin on that hero.
But I think Spirit is playing a lot worse than Adi right now. So to me it's like draft versus play. Who wins?
The eternal question and the game of Dota, the game that we all love.
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. Let's get ready for game number two.
You have count, let's be true.
The first time we are going to see Faceless Void here at Dream League season 28, we did see it five times at Glass Land.
Hey, Greg, do you remember those times?
Yes.
It was the group stage of Glass Land.
For some reason, we had this rash, this infection of supports Faceless Void.
It was picked up five times, and all five times it was support.
So this will be the first time we've got core Faceless Void in the month.
The first time I will have seen Chronosphere in a very long time.
Yeah.
I mean, we see Chronosphere maybe we won't.
This game could go horribly wrong.
Oh, I have faith. I have some faith here.
I do not have faith in the hero, but I have faith in the toro.
Even after getting one?
He had a solid game one.
Let's be fair, he had a solid one.
Did he carry that? No.
No.
But he was really farmed, so if he can get really farmed on board,
I have more faith that you can carry the game with Void than Beastmaster, but I do like Nobby's
Rap better overall. I think the little cooldown playmaking, they don't have to wait for anything.
I also doubt the Void's Chrono with the team. It does not look like a great Chrono game in
terms of synergy with other heroes. No, not in particular these synergies. The best hero they
have is maybe Hoodwing. Yeah, it's Hoodwing, Sharp Shooter, and like Puck can kind of sometimes do
but otherwise you're kind of just playing Void and then you have a team playing Dota.
So I don't like the synergy of the pick too much, but the Void is very good against Navi's lineup.
And if he gets Ultra Farmed, he can definitely cause him problems.
It is a hero that can just chrono win ranger and kill her. Normally that's very difficult to do.
Hopefully Spirit can step up here and give us more of a game two showing for their strengths
in the late game, the team fighting that I think was lacking in that game one.
But what do I know? I'm just an American Psychopath.
It's a great movie though. Not the second one. That was terrible. Why did they make that nobody knows?
Hopefully, this game too will not be like American Psycho 2, which nobody should have to watch.
In fact, you'd have to be a Psycho to watch that film.
Well, apparently you watched it.
It was terrible.
First one classic though, absolute class
Nice shuttle shackle
Two different really nice ones before the dagger hits Rue
voice of
God notes team speak
God is that you it's me Margaret
Yes, Collapse. Big chug.
Yes, drink my boy.
Even Impressi, he's doing that wall CSing.
Get strong.
You may lose this series, but you win the war.
Get him, Zeitz.
There you got him.
This is the classic Clockwork Warlock Minute 2 River battle that we of course see very often.
The enthralling, isn't it? Yes, level one against level one.
They both have boots and blood grenade and they both walk it off. Incredible.
Well, this lane should be a lot more exciting.
Expecting kills, I don't know who's gonna get the kill out of that bottom lane,
but somebody's gonna do... Oh, oh, oh, it's Navi favorite for sure.
Both these lanes are a naughty favor.
Tuck's doing pretty well mid-bill.
Are you a tiny mid-hater, by the way?
Nah, I don't buy that.
It did have a...
It was the most picked hero I've blasted and it did have a 38% win rate.
It's pretty trash.
Yeah, I think it's a bit of a fake stat.
How?
39 matches, plenty of sample size.
I think it came down more how teams were pairing him with the rest of the lineup.
Okay, so what mistakes did teams make?
Definitely very careful with how you pair this hero.
Okay.
So, how did Na'Vi pair it correctly in this game?
Elaborate, please!
I think, basically, I do not think you want long cooldowns with timing number one,
because if you're on the two cores that have long cooldowns,
then this hero ends up just kind of sitting around and waiting,
and you don't feel great.
You do want some team fight behind him, but I think it's...
you don't want too much.
Like, somebody seems to have really slow lineups,
and then they just throw this tiny at the end.
And I'm watching this game and like this dude's just like waiting around on the map.
And I feel bad for him, you know?
There's your first blood of four minutes, and it's got to do this lane super strong.
It was a deed. I also think a big component for mid-times, you need supports that can play with this guy.
When he gets his items, that can go and kill people around the map, because he does not offer enough damage on his own in a vacuum to kill people anymore.
That's the whole thing, it's how the Fiora functions. So he needs supports that can combo well for him.
You want long-range artillery damage, I think is easy.
Like, like, Sapphires would be one of the best ones.
Windranger Power Shot is good enough. Phoenix is pretty nice with this hero.
Phoenix is really good at this hero because it gives you some of that early mid-game long-range fall,
plus the T-fight backup, plus the Sun-Race energy.
Well, they definitely have the low cooldowns, and they kind of have, like, they have supports, apparently.
I think Ringmaster is not as good as Sapphire or Windranger, but the toss combo into Whip, if you have that position,
That position can be okay, but ring master can be tough to position
But the wheel is good backup and the skate back is nice for the hero because he wants people to go in and then you get him
Out and then he can go in again
So saves are like kind of nice with your you just need to make a lot of the little things function
And then this hero is a fine
But is he a premier bid no, but I think he's better than that fat mind shows
Maybe I'll put in a lot of rough positions where he had to do too much and you can't expect too much from this
He's a simple rock at the end of the day.
Well, the simple rock is getting beat out pretty hard by this puck, 22 and 4 compared
to 29 and 8 for the puck.
Real, Real has done work on this lane.
That's for sure.
Real has done well on laning in general, I think.
Stepping up here on Spirit, need it most.
That is the lane that is going best, they're losing the two sidelines, but I think this
Marzlin was expected to lose and Faceless Void is not really a lane
nominator. He's just kind of a guy who sits there and hopes he never fights and
he's kind of doing that. He's farming okay. Power room towards the puck.
Illusion. Run a little bit of mana at least. Here's the supports with the
tiniest. This is where the mid lane becomes pretty scary for Spirit to fight
Cross blood grenade, whip, all being used to try and finish off Panto, he's not dead yet.
Meanwhile, Zayac, Zayac is in some trouble, ringmaster, hops up to the high ground, oh!
Okay, still got him, Morrell, hits him with the waning rip.
Indiana one for one trade off.
Morana is another support, I think, careful.
Oh yeah, I also think the long range artillery is nice because this is one of the few mids
that can guarantee the combo connection.
He wanted the toss on the hog, not the creep.
I think you have to take advantage of the fact that
Apple Ange is no longer a stun you can deal with in any capacity.
Okay, so that's pretty broken against certain match-ups.
Are you saying you want chain stuns off of it?
Yeah, exactly. Okay.
Elder Titan's also really good this year.
That's a forbidden name.
It's not mad at all, it's because, man.
Missed the shackle, got the dagger, missed the whip.
It's a little missed sandwich there for ya.
But to finish my point is, I've named a lot of heroes.
I feel like at that time we saw a lot of mid-tiny, and there's these games you see mid-tiny with like clockwork disruptors on you.
What the hell are we doing here?
What is it? It doesn't do anything to this guy, you know?
What is the point?
Did you ever ask your team in the middle of a game, what the hell are we doing?
I asked him.
Did you say that a lot as a commentator and it makes me think, did he ever say that to
his team?
Many times in and out of team.
I'll tell you, I was valid in asking.
Dagger slips past, collapse, gets up to the high ground, he's going to make him work
for it while Morel doesn't have to work too hard for that kill on Niku.
No shackle shot, had nothing to latch to, trying to get him inside the conch, got him before he could get the spear back and finally, you know, get that kill, it took so long, I had to question if it was even worth it.
Drinks more water here, he's gonna need it.
Slain's a little rough for spear right now.
Winner Ranger on top, the primal's free farming, the tiny did go down, but yeah, the puck's doing very well.
Very well. Okay. Yeah, the puck is the saving grace here for spirit in this relating which is a big deal because
Draft wise they also need him to have a good game to bring the support to do it
Kind of carry the load until the face of voids online. I
Hope you Toro goes meal near here
Mask of madness meal near would probably need to build up for him. It looks like when he's iron
Bringing got the juice through the gate to gank Yatoro. This is a pretty hard kill to get.
And if they get him with the Cawks though, into the Pulverize, then into the Shackle.
Oh no! Got stopped by the Bushwackage just a little early so the Shackle was late as a result.
And now the Punish comes through. They kill PMA.
And after the clockwork they go, they'll get too off this failure of Navi.
It's just a weird situation.
Because you want to throw the shackle instantly so you get the damage for your ult.
Otherwise, you're not doing anything there, but you don't want to overlap the stun.
This is all for forgot to do. Still has ult though, available, but...
Can he connect here?
Nothing to shackle to.
You will not. This Windranger is being denied in this early game, Spirit.
Playing a nice little defensive sequence here.
Nothing to do, Steven got low enough of the...
That, he might end up dying here. He's got lotuses to work with. He eats one now.
Collapsed once again.
He needs to eat another one here. Shaggle shot goes out. Nothing left to do. Got the juice.
He's gonna make a run for it. Winner on past Panto does not get caught inside the arena yet,
but Collapsed is gonna catch up to him with the phase boots and now gets him inside the arena.
Escape back perhaps? Oh, he's got it with the Bloodsport. There's no way you can see through that.
Didn't have a tonic, but didn't want to throw it.
Maybe the cart call. Probably dead there no matter what.
No, I couldn't see it's got bloodsport pass that's true kept on the tonic before though. Yeah, maybe it wasn't even
I'm not thinking this range. Well, I guess they've talked so that's good
We've got to save it for the primal beast you come a big boy
Tiny
Blast there's combo into the wheel
Do not like collapse. They are really ruining his day out of three deaths
just targeting over and over I mean upside for spirit is your your fucking
waiter farming yeah all this attention away from the faces void seems pretty
good especially if they can continue to punish the primal beast at the same time
trying to up the armor with the uproar but now
weighted dice nothing to do with that kill but it take weighted dice
Well, these carries are definitely involved in this game.
A lot of action around these safe lanes, whereas the mid's kinda just been
ghost town. Just supports taking the waves.
Couple of power runes went the pucks way. We got the nice rotation top,
tiny rotation bottom, but again, it's all focused on shutting down these all
players right now. There's two big playmakers in this game.
At some point, if you're not even doing a kick this void out of top, you don't want to let
Yatoro sit here forever but Chrono is back off cooldown and you have to be
wary of playing this guy when that spell is up. Yeah the fact that Yatoro is so
free in his lane that he even considered coming through the gate to use
Chrono's fear in the bottom lane. This does a lot. He's getting a lot right now.
This is a very good early game for him. If you don't abuse Void in the first 10 or
15 minutes, it tends to be one of the best heroes in the game. Here he comes.
Na'Vi, what are you gonna do? They're gonna abandon their safe lane.
Got the rocketflare pushing on him.
Man, that's crazy. They've got Blink, Dagger, Tiny, and they're not...
They don't wanna take this fight.
Fair enough, they're gonna set up on mid.
See if Team Spirit...
They showed a lot of heroes they're gonna try and just hit this tower.
All of us caught.
Errol and the stun.
Yeah, not surprising. I mean, this is a full health tower. There's certainly plenty of
time for Team Spirit to set up. Avalanche covers their retreat.
Back and away they go. Spirit's still happy with these kind of plays, though, because
the Void is getting to farm lane creeps, which is what's important here. He does not want
have to full jungle yet getting close to where you can but man if they can just
keep him on these lanes while some action happens else we're gonna be mega
happy should just be a coil player on to breaking it and trying to get the escape
back onto this tiny never goes out no shot that is the overwhelming team but
you get stuck in coil arena this game you're gonna feel some pain and this
This feels a lot more like it's a Spirit Control tempo than that game was.
Oh yeah.
Like they're getting the discrete fights that happen around the old cooldowns, and then
they're kind of resetting the void gets to stay on lane, the puck's getting really
fat.
Not being able to find this low cooldown pick off game that their lineup really wants to
look for.
They need to find this void a couple of times, they need to get this puck in an avalanche.
This puck is 6-0 right now.
Primal is 0-2-0, I mean you have a primal tiny lineup, and they have one kill between
Yeah, their approach seems to be way more focused on towers than heroes
Right, it's like they showed all these heroes mid to hit the mid tower now
They're kind of doing something similar where they're showing PMA and got the juice both in the top lane while your Toro's like, alright
I'm not gonna show online. I'm just gonna back up with the neutrals
Manto trying to get the toss back instead after open toss up
He was really far out he's like bonding their ancients back alone
That was an absurd play
He pays a price
Space free Toro, I guess that's what they're probably talking about
No, he's not that far behind the Windranger.
No, he's in a very good spot. As soon as he gets Mellstrom, he's gonna start skyrocketing up that network chart.
Unless Navi does something to stop him here, Niko just...
Really finding rotations? I don't know, this seems...
One of those rougher games for Niko we saw. Some rough games from him yesterday.
Just to keep playing with Remastered, that's your best follow-up in this game.
Spirit now making a move.
I feel like the heroes left the vicinity, got the juice inside the arena, science gets
inside with the hookshot, trying to help him out but still, lands his fear.
And now science is likely to die as well.
That's an arcane rip-up.
He usually brought heroes to that. It's not a great fight. Don't know where the Void is either.
Oh, Panther once again is...
He's really just...
Oh, on his own.
Yeah, he's having a very disjointed game from what is happening right now.
It was what Brian broke down in the pre-series analysis.
I mean, your ammo right now should be making sure the Void does not get ganked.
Any vision that helps to cure that is amazing. Any stacks you get up on agents that he can eventually cure with mom is great.
with mom is great and then just push mid lane and make sure mid lane is pushed
without dying as much as you can because that's gonna give you information
vision and let these other plays happen
I can't believe that TP works wow okay your total might actually die here
wheel whip got him on the hypnotize for a second there I thought it wasn't gonna
land that's what I'm saying he's like you can do work one that's rock that's
tiny? Is it dumb rock, I guess? Or it could be primal beast's rock that he throws? The
rock he throws? What if you throw tiny? Yeah, that's an idea. And then when he lands, he
splits into three different tinies. Whoa, that's probably trademarked by Nintendo, but yeah,
that important pick off on this point right he's hit that mom mail stream you
find him in the jungle it's like raise he's about to start accelerate no no no
you send him send him back to the fountain now it's collapse on the run
I spot him.
ROCKSROW!
PULVERIZE!
Got him.
Two big pick offs for Navi.
What the lineup wants to be a cop sheen right now.
I do feel like the clockwork in this lineup is kind of an odd one out.
Like what does he really do?
Inserge you with any of these heroes?
I don't see it.
Yeah, he's just kind of, almost to be a front-line support for WinRanger to play off of, right?
Yeah, but you're against two mobility cores and faces, Warden Puck, that do not care about you at all.
I mean, wasn't, I assume the clockwork is picked up early, right?
Sure, but I still think...
You know, sometimes you just end up with a support that doesn't fit the game.
Because that's how drafts go, you know?
Oh, that's not how drafts go.
That's exactly how they should...
I don't think you know anything about drafting, Avery.
Yeah, well, if you know anything about being useful, how about that?
I thought you had respect for things that were useful.
Hi, dude, you're not one of them.
Oh, that's too bad.
Hey, production, can we get a check-in on the...
We saw the big rock. Can we see the three mini rocks at some point, please?
Thank you.
I saw one of them.
I'm pretty happy for the next 20 minutes.
It's good for them. They like it.
What is this?
A yacht of my guess.
He blinked after him and TP'd away.
One minute to torment her.
Thank you production.
Oh, that was way faster than I thought.
I think they were already cooking that, to be honest.
He kept weighted dice in tier two.
That's not...
There's no way that is.
That's not okay!
I refuse to believe this is better than...
His options.
There's no way.
Maybe there's a bug that makes him bash more often.
Okay, there is a world...
What?
There is a world that it's a higher farming rate item than some of the choices he got.
Okay.
There are some useless ones here for Void.
Steering, Signet, Irrelevant.
Uh, Hessensring, you can argue is good, but he is never gonna need it in a fight, and it's incredibly expensive on his mana pool.
Mana Draw would be useful. Formant Shield, in theory, is useful, but again, is he actually tanking anything in this game?
Defiant Shell would be better.
I would argue, against Windbreaker, it sounds pretty nice.
But in theory, he's not gonna be in that position, is what I'm saying.
But you have to think how your Toro sounds like.
I'm either juggling or I am jumping and fight cronowing somebody and killing them.
So why do I need survivability?
So it's pretty much Define Shell or Bust, is that what you're saying, Tier 2?
Yeah, I think Define Shell is the one I'm looking at that I would take over with with
Dice 100%, but I mean, I still feel like you go back to the original point which was like,
do you take White or Dice?
tier one. It is stylish. I'll give him that. It's stylish, but if it played a little animation
every single time, you actually did the dice roll.
That would be cool.
What was I trying to feel? He's gonna get it? Okay, now, push out of way to make it
super epic.
Now he doesn't have a TP, so we screwed.
That was not...
There was a step two of that plan.
We saw step one and step two.
We need a step three, which is TP away afterwards.
That's kind of worth it, but the fact that Toro gets the last bit there.
Skateback, trying to stay inside the coil.
But that just means he's going to likely die to your Toro here.
Trying to throw him away, but no.
So they get that kill on the clockwork.
They see all those heroes and yet they still lose the mid-flight. Definitely not worth just can't fight pick offs in scheme
Puck is being way too elusive
The primal just finished BKV so now maybe PMA will join more of these fights or start looking for some aggressive
Goes of his own you're still trying to finish BKV on the win ranger
Very close to be give me on tiny too. It's like Wilson. That was a lot
I think primal beasts are like, uh, otters.
Do they find their special rock and they keep it with them in total time?
Sure, man.
Whatever floats your boat now.
A lot of nothing happening right now.
Well, here comes the big smoke play from Navi.
They've got the BKB and the Prime will be soon run into Panto.
Not what they wanted with that smoke.
Either Rose or you try and go tier one mid.
Yeah, I think tier one mid is likely, but if the Winranger dies before they get there, it's gotta stay in front of the shot.
Oh, just too much damage just collapsed.
Comes through and now Zeith has tanked that damage for nothing.
But one hero, you didn't want dying first. Yeah, they made a five-band smoke play and lost their win ranger
With no BKB goes out first from collapse
He's taking a bit of physical damage kind of gets the other side of the arena
But PMA pops a BKB chase is after him now sits on the puck
Puck having rel having to blink backwards here, but oh, that's twice now
Now the Niko's been screwed by the TOS RNG.
Ends up hitting a creep instead of Morale.
He was hoping to alley-oop that to PMA.
He could slam dunk him.
Still gets the jump.
That golem's going to cancel it, though.
There's not enough control here against Morale.
Primal Beast will charge back to safety, but Navi's troubles and woes continue.
He is absolutely destroying this game.
9-0-5-200-PS on this plus.
6,000 damage in that fight, Prasma already done. Super aggressive item build, paying off here from where he is.
Except himself, one of the better games I've seen in a long time.
I can't believe that Spirit is only up 1k. It feels like they just dominated the game.
They are effectively up by a lot more because they are getting through some of the rougher parts of this game.
Even or better with a void farming.
Like now they are taking a roach away from Navi who were hitting their BKB time and this is a massive win for them.
Rockthrow, PMA, do you want to try it?
I think he will go for it here.
Doesn't have PKB though.
Blink charge it!
CrotaSphereHP Liatoro is ready for that one.
I mean, you're just never going to get that against Spacesboy.
I mean, you're never going to get that against your Toro God.
Who times the I-Champ.
The Faker of Dota 2, some say.
Doesn't he need more like five more championships in order to get that?
It's disgusting that you even said that.
As if a world championship is somehow equal to a TI one.
Yeah, silly now that you think about it.
You even said that to me.
So do you think 7 world championships are less than 2 TI's?
No, that would be ridiculous.
So it's the conversion rate here.
But it's probably closer than people think that's all I'm saying.
Closer.
There's some air bounce in there.
Plus or minus a few worlds right here.
That's all I'm saying.
You also have two EWC wins. That's gotta count. That's gotta count. That's gotta be like one
and a half world victories or something. And then each TI's worth two, so he's up to like
five and a half. And then he- And then think about all the third parties, which like legends
It doesn't really have anything else to do with that.
So that's like at least six and a half.
And then there's his badass hairstyle.
So, seven right there.
The blue hair, just... that's a half a point right there.
Faker of Dota, I just did the math.
Faker doesn't add that kind of stuff.
The math adds up, the stats don't lie.
And he probably went in a fist fight.
To be honest here.
Yeah, Toro kind of looks like he can brawl.
Yeah, he's got...
I think he's got the edge off.
Collapse is absolutely going that fast.
He might kill the man.
Let's not go there.
Collapse is going to get killed if he can't get off his BKB.
Chain's stunned.
The wheel is in it off.
We got off the S-in-Tring BKB.
He lives.
We even landed the spear, but BKB will secure the nightfall out for Niku.
It's still too many on the Aegis for this boy, he's just going to keep farming up, he's
BTB already done.
This is those little tiny combos where you eat the extra damage follow up and it makes
or breaks games.
I do kind of wonder like could Riddies have charged the whip a little bit longer?
Maybe a little.
It's really close on those combos though.
The thing is even if they get that kill this game is not progressing how they want.
The Aegis being taken away, how much Void's going to farm in this time?
He's already level 18, level 3 Chrono online.
This is a big concern because he can just Chrono win a Ranger and kill her and then...
What does your teamfight look like?
Avalanche trying to cover Gotha Juice, he got off the BKB.
He's kind of low but he does have enough, at least enough power to throw some damage back at Rue.
Glimmer cape helps him survive.
Now Niku slowed down to a crawl here.
Uh, gentlemen, hey, yeah, yeah, there's no way that Novi you're going to fight over this
because they'd be fighting into this Aegis faceless Void.
They've been trying to dodge this entire time.
Collapse!
It's the plus one on Xyme.
Just getting us starting to fall apart for now.
You just cannot find the pick-off openings.
The jump start, their map control.
They really gotta try on the Toro here?
This does not look fun.
That was a mistake.
Not the greatest Chrono result.
Yeah, but I think it still gets the job done in the end, right?
They're still gonna get PMA.
He was too many old-time dilated,
so he wasn't gonna be able to charge away anytime soon.
So many disconnected plays for Na'Vi in this game.
It's like one or two heroes trying to make plays they need three, four.
They just don't have that little bit of extra damage.
And now the Winter Ranger caught again.
Spearmiss is...
But he doesn't have BKB here.
So surely he will go down eventually.
Yeah, they're just gonna try and keep him here as long as possible.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, well, the disables were on cooldown.
Okay, they didn't come back up quite fast enough.
I miss beer, really hurts them on that play, but you're still forcing the winner into base.
This is buying time for your cooldowns to come back up, so this is the kind of period where Navi wants to find something.
You have no Chrono, no Golem, no Arena.
You have to look for things in these little, these little windows where the ults are down for spirit.
You have the faster Laptop, you have the lower cooldown lineup.
There's some reason Navi do not seem super comfortable with that fact.
I think they're playing too scared in these times when the Ultron pull down.
At least for my taste.
10 seconds, still another power rune.
not too much longer for another chronosphere, another 40 seconds.
So if Navi don't get the lead out here, which if they're not even fighting for the power rune,
is it possible that they...
think that it's fine to push this game late because they do have the ability to 100-0 face this fort?
They do.
If they execute teamfights later with...
Some extra damage on the Windranger, plus, you know, Vip, Primalax, you can scale up,
you can get to like, Shiva's Refresher.
You have a skate back for Chrono, it's not an entirely free Chrono spear game.
I can kind of see the argument you could go ultrally here.
Yeah, like, if you- it's not the fact that this was plan A, but like, if- now that you're
in this position, it might be your best- maybe it's the best idea.
The spear is gonna bail in this tournament, so they do not do a fast at all.
Yeah, they had some very aggressive vision down. They still have this high ground ward on the triangle, which I assume got some idea about the smoke play.
And I'll be able to take the second one and turn the nice one for them.
I almost have the clockwork guys as well that'll give them tiny shard.
Too bad. Cores are still very farmed here. Again, these fights have looked very one-sided,
but if they can land some stun initiations on the void or the puck,
They can easily convert that into a team play.
And they have a lot of capability to do that.
They have a clockwork from going in division.
He now has axe for some extra rocket players and all that nonsense.
You can just find that one shackle Avalanche pulverized into the other two.
Tougher on the puck with the Lincoln's for sure.
But doable. It's not impossible.
Team spirit with the nullifier an easy kill onto the ringmaster and Navi surprised me
really trying to fight this one I thought they were just going to back out beautiful
use of the walls there from collapse now the BKB is one thing for the win ranger can't
stop the space this boy did you get the grabs on him but they got a goal to stop it from
the primal beast and that just puts all these heroes inside the chronosphere gg is called okay
apparently knocky did not think yeah there was a chance for them to take like game apparently
there was a stone to moralize that they a little surprised they called it i don't think that game
was unwinnable like it's really unfavorable at that point and maybe after that fight it's unwinnable
but it felt like they've kind of given up a little bit just like this phase this boy's
It's farming in scale and we can't outscale and let's take some yellow fight.
It doesn't work out and we're just out of that game.
The puck absolutely mildly.
Oh yeah, what a game for Morrell.
10-0-14 on his puck.
I think Yatoro probably could have been any hero in this game.
And Spirit might win it off of what happened in hit alone.
Yeah, like him being on face this way just kind of makes it so it's impossible to likely
with the late game.
But yeah, this game was won early by the puck and Navi.
Understandably so, just kind of call it.
Before it shuts down a lot of the other core scale is the issue.
Like, this game, you can kind of go late if your Winter Ranger can find targets and play the later fights, but it's deep.
Winter Ranger Primal cannot play late-game fights against Chronos for its impossible.
So that's why I can see why they GG out.
It's like, you're just looking now in the future, and the future is very grim.
Yeah, which is the only way you can play if you initiate on the faceless way, but that is then stopped by Golem.
There's no way around it. You can't change stun to him.
Well, and the puck is just playing your face all the time, because Meryl's invincible apparently,
and no one can do anything to him, because Tiny sucks, I guess.
Quinn is right, I hate to say it.
Thoughts, Quinn?
I am right, Tiny does suck.
Absolutely cheats, as you put it.
Good mistake, that was dog water.
Yeah, and this was proof in the pudding, that did not work out well mid for them,
but the other card call that we had, was that faceless Lvoid would have a ball of its time.
Brian, you thought a mile away and Yatoro proved that point quite well.
Yeah, I really like to see...
We saw BedBoom kind of do like their own flavor of the patch
after having not so good of a start to the group stage.
And I think Team Spirit did their own version of that in this game
with giving Yatoro last pick.
I was honestly...
a critic of them giving last pick to Murrell.
Like, I'm not trying to flame him or anything,
but he's not their game winner.
Like, he's their stand-in that just needs to slot in on something comfortable.
He looked a lot better here, just being given a hero.
So even though you get counterpicked with the Tiny, it's Dogwater, as Quinn was saying.
And yeah, Yattaro, I remember when he won TI, he picked 17 different heroes in 17 games,
like, give the sky last overall pick and he'll find the one that works.
And there's a reason I gd'd out, because there was no response to that late game.
Going off of Tiny, I do think when Tiny could be good, is when the enemy carry getting tossed
is just like, breaks the entire enemy team's idea of teamfights.
Like, if a Drow gets tossed in, or like an SF gets tossed in,
it's like, that feels really bad.
But if you pick it before the carry, and then they just pick a more for a tiny,
or sorry, a face's void, some hero that just leaves,
then, yeah, you have some gangthreat in the midgame,
they kill them once or twice, but after that,
late game teamfights, your tiny just falls off really hard,
he has no obvious targets.
Yeah, the void pick was really cool,
and it was great to be here, but had been benched for a while.
It's nice when they get recycled into Dota, but what I really wanted to talk about was Puck's performance.
I think Morrell did excellent, like he was the tempo.
Washington spirit this game compared to Game 1 and even compared to yesterday.
They were like finally moving around together, they were balling up.
It felt like they had kill threat wherever they went on the map,
and I hope this is the kind of confidence boost that Morrell can get to like help them in the later days.
Yeah, even beyond like their game results right now, which are not great, I feel like even his
laning performances have been discouraging. Individually, he's been like, I feel like I can
do better than that because he has a pedigree. He's a yellow submarine player coming to this
promoted squad for right now. And yet, he wasn't really meeting the standard that I would have.
I imagine it's been a bit overwhelming for him, like having to seven for long, not just in this
tournament but a blast and kind of going into a whole different environment and
feeling like you're letting all these people down playing against a different
caliber of players. Having a performance like this really could be the
difference maker for him in the upcoming days. Yeah it's definitely not easy. It's
not easy to slot into any team. It's also not easy I think whenever you're like
you said you're the young upstart you're joining like you could it's not
there's not a higher pressure team you could join. It's literally the two-time
TI winners lauded as the best players of all time not just currently like it is a
high-pressure situation and so I think every game he does play well is very
is very big for him I'm sure he's learning a lot and will be improving
very quickly the longer he plays on this team and so I think he is probably
gonna have a very good trajectory I think you imagine his performances
over time are gonna increase like it just it just makes sense whenever you're
playing with such goaded players and you know you're gonna get more used to
stress over time too. Ends the series in a draw though so a Navi and Spirit neck
and neck Navi entered the series with a split score right now so they're
middle of the pack and Spirit desperately need all the wins that they can get. They are now
two and three, two and four. So on the lower end of things, but signs of life.
Yeah, I don't know. There's like something much more convincing about that one than it was for
Na'Vi. Like, meaning game one, it just looked like Team Spirit didn't really play well while in game two
it felt like, do you know what I mean? Like one team wins because they play well or the one team
wins because it feels like the other team didn't play well like both games it felt like it was decided
by how well Team Spirit played like game one was because they played poorly and game two was because
Team Spirit looked like they played really well I feel like Navi is like a very consistently
inconsistent mid team like mid-tier team like they have a small range but they do kind of have
like a I say inconsistently consistent skill level kind of inconsistent way of doing it like I don't
really know what their identity is with like hero picks and strategy overall like you think of
falcons as a macro team team spirit as a team fighting team I don't I don't know if you guys
have a clear identity of Navi I don't have one watching them we shared this sentiment even after
watching their falcon series and so no matter what type of archetype of team they're against
which is the heavy economy of falcons or the refined team fight of team spirit perhaps contributed
it to you by collapse. Regardless, the team like Navi was struggling. I do get collapse
on the line though. Hey, collapse. How much water is left in your picture right now?
Okay, I see. Well, I mean, you still the first half of the day, so you still got to
drink a little bit more. There we go. There we go. Chuck, Chuck, Chuck. Collapse, congratulations
on the game to win on the on the topic of water and things like that I was
hoping to get some insight from you on Largo tell me what you think about this
hero and how you like playing it or maybe if you don't like playing it to be
honest I don't like playing it anymore because
a sense of curse on this hero.
Every time you pick this hero and every time you're gonna play it, you need to be ready
that you're in the whole early game.
You can just do anything, you just need to farm, and it's like 50-50 to win after you
get axe.
It's just a curse, I would say, to play on Largo.
What do you mean by a curse?
You can't hit me, will you?
Like the burden of... I'm kind of confused what you mean.
I mean, when you pick Largo, you can just help your team in early fights
Because your buttons are not so good, you can do it.
But usually, yeah, the other team, like members, they just get a little...
I don't know how to say it.
It's your team just act when you put a vargo.
I think I know what you mean. Yeah, okay, that's an interesting insight.
because I guess we don't know where this hero is strongest.
Is it an offlaner? Is it a support?
Do you think that supports are built more to handle this curse, like you're saying?
I would say so, yeah.
But I think if Vargo gets a good team, like if your team don't suck on other lanes,
you can just win.
And also as Vargo Posteri, because if your hero gets enough net worth,
It's like, uh, unstoppable hero, like Ice Frog, but it's Dancing Frog.
Yeah, I mean, it's not fair. He's the developer of the game. Obviously, he's gonna be good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I also want to ask you about your new teammate for right now. First, I want to ask, are we pronouncing his name right?
We're saying Merelle. Is it Merelle?
Uh, no, it's Mirelle.
Mirelle.
Yeah, Mirelle.
Okay, we'll add a little le at the end.
How are you guys fitting him in right now?
Because you're no stranger to getting new teammates.
You had Rue, you had Spatanic for a little bit.
Even Laurel was new at one point.
What's it like with Mirelle?
I mean, we already played with him like half a year ago
on the Fissure Tournament with Vulcans and before it.
for it, so we kind of already got used to him and it was not so hard to get to play with
him because we already knew his playstyle, but for now we're just a bit struggling.
I think is our self confidence in our heroes and our gameplay and we like kind of I mean
Laro is like more like active player that goes like to gank like every way in but Mirelli
He just wants to get higher net worth
That's right
And he just wants to farm
If he has a great game, he's going to do the same thing as did Varo
But Varo is doing it even if he had a good game or a bad game
Not sure about bad game, but yeah
Just more like passive, passive voice style
I mean I would say right now
That's good insight. I feel like we saw that as well, but that's the beauty of Team Spirit.
You guys take these players and you make them amazing no matter how raw they are at the
beginning. You polish them off. Collapse, congratulations on a game to win. And hopefully
this is the turnaround for Team Spirit. And we'll see more wins coming forward.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you very much. That's it for right now with Team Spirit.
We've got other activities planned off in the distance.
Dare I say, do I see a Pyrrion flat?
Oh, hello. How are you guys doing?
Wordly, top of the morning to you.
Top of the morning, Todd.
You know, nobody says that.
People think in Ireland, people say top of the morning to you.
They judge.
What do they say?
They say, hello, or good morning.
Hi.
What's the crack with you?
Yes, spelled C-R-A-I-C.
What's the crack?
I was also confused by this.
I'm not Irish. I don't know why I'm helping,
but you know what, for all my many Irish friends out there,
I'll try to do my bit to stop Americans thinking
that you'll say top of the morning.
Yeah, instead of saying, where are my lucky charms?
Alright, Ted, what do you got for us?
I've got a quiz for you guys.
And this quiz is a dad-specific quiz.
So these are all questions that dads know the answers to and
I want you guys to try to give me your best guess at what the answer might be to some of these questions
Okay, and surely this is inspired by Effie calling you out as being a very dad
Exactly, and I thought you know what I am. I am a dad. I'm a proud dad. It's a big compliment. It is. I agree
I think it really is
Also, working with a bunch of young people, I understand that it also is kind of, ugh, you're such a dad.
And, you know, it's kind of a burden as well, but I get that.
Alright, let's go for question one, if we may.
What?
You can read the questions out, Neil.
Which battle marks the beginning of World War II? This is a dad question.
This is a Perian question.
No, you get to a certain age and you become obsessed with military history.
It's just a fact.
And you're just watching documentaries all day?
That's what that history channel is the dad channel. I'm just saying falling asleep in the couch. Yeah is the dad channel
Which battle I don't know. Can you give a hint? I could give you a hint. It was in Poland in 1939
the battle of
Cracow, oh no, it's a decent shout anyone else no clue
I was west of Platte the polls held off the Germans at Danzig for a very long time
Followed up by a course the declaration of war by the allies
I say may we have the next question, please
Pulling on the ears your ability to red sheep loss of appetite and dribbling are possible signs of what and young infants
I'll say a fever
Okay, we got a fever from Brian Quinn. What's your theory? I'll say in your infection
Pulling on the ears. Okay. Yeah, it seems compelling F. E
How young are the infant young?
The babies?
Yeah.
Key things?
Mira gets it.
Wow.
Exactly right.
Well done.
Pulled in with it.
Years, five years, but years.
Yeah.
It's the pain spreads throughout the skull,
and they're very little.
They just pull on things.
Like, you know, it's just for, like, imagine if your ears
were aching, and you just sort of yanked on the Mira.
Because you're hoping it'll do something?
Well, yeah.
I mean, bear in mind, you're two years old.
I'm saying, like, at that point, you're just like,
it's just a vape.
This feels weird.
I'm going to play with it.
Yeah, my friends had a darling little baby recently and now it finally makes sense like he's he's been doing this a lot
They never understood why thanks, man. Yeah, it was gonna be in a dad
Yeah, you go. Thank you. This is a mom quiz also
Well, it's up to both parents to raise a child. Don't don't be so sexist Neil. All right next question
What is the correct way to adjust the thermostat?
To not adjust I think that's the trick question. That's the answer. You don't touch it
Do not touch the thermostat, is the correct answer!
I'm not...
I'm not messing with that thing!
Alright, there's a trick question that's good to know.
But you don't mind if I leave the light on in another room, right?
Depends on the light bulb. LED bulbs apparently now, it's such a small amount of power it doesn't really matter.
Wow, okay.
There was a big article. For parents, I'm sure.
I didn't realize that I'd...
That I read it recently.
But don't touch the thermostat!
I don't know how clear I need to be about this.
We got it just how we need it. We got all the timing set.
He said don't fuck with me if you're cold. What can you do? Put on his wife on a jumper exactly?
Next question next question
We're money
Who said trees me it does not grow a tree
I was I was anti-ride the only wrong answer
What did you tell your kids when they asked you for the first time where does money come from dad?
I've had to explain to them that you go to a job or something and people give you money to pay for your time and your labor
Do your job?
No, they won't do the dishwasher without getting paid. I taught them the value of labor at too young an age
So you do give them an allowance then?
We do give them an allowance, but basically if my kids say can I have money and get out with my friends
I say yeah have some money. I don't want you to be the kid that doesn't have money when you go out with your friends
I live that life. It's a miserable one. Get out with your mates. You got no money. It sucks
But they understand the value of it because they know it does not grow on trees.
It doesn't.
But they both want jobs because they want more money.
I was like, cool.
It's a vicious cycle.
Next question, please.
What does Dad actually do in his shed?
I don't know if I want to answer this question, Ted.
Murder.
Okay, we got Murder as one of the options.
We got Ted is dextering off in his spare time.
Watch the History Channel.
A good guest.
I don't know, drink beer?
That's also a good guest.
Hang out beer while watching what's the main no, it's a very good
Stay out of the shed
Don't go in the shed if God's in there or not in there you stay out of that shed. I told you before
You have told me before next question
the punitive
For semi-colon, the 264 to 146 BC were fought between which two great powers?
Constant, Fandernobyl, and something else.
The Holy Roman Empire.
The Holy Roman Empire, far, far, far later than 146 BC.
The Peloponnesians.
I'm not gonna guess I make a fool out of myself.
Guess, give me one great power that was active in the Mediterranean between 264 and 146 BC that might have been involved in the Punic War.
Alexander the Great.
It was Roman Carthage! Everybody knows that!
Oh, is this where they had elephants?
How often do you think about the Roman Empire, Neil? As you get older.
Every day.
That's my Roman Empire.
Alright, next question, please.
Dad, did you get a haircut?
Okay, this doesn't apply to me because I'm bald but imagine asking a head dad. Oh, I know the answer
Yes, I got them all cut. No, I got them all cut. No, I got them all cut
Well done a good dad joke always and the last question I still make that one
You probably get this one too Brian dad. I'm hungry. Hi. I'm dad. There's left over
No, hi, I'm dad. I think it's I think it's hi. I'm dad. Yeah, I hungry on dad is the typical response
But the actual answer is feed your child nutrition is
Nutrition is important
The verdict of my expectations
Ted thank you very much dad quiz learn about nutrition learn about money and now we're gonna learn a little bit more about
the Dota. First half of the day is done, but we've got two more series coming up. Party
vision versus OG on your screens after the break.
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I think it's a type of onion.
Is that a translate too?
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Actually, I don't know the English name for it.
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I feel like this flavor has like, it peeks, and then when you have a few of them it goes
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But the first few are really good.
I normally think that one of those is the moment you have it.
You have to make sure that everybody else is okay with this, it's a tiny me, and you're
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When these chips taste a little different,
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I feel like a lot of chips in the US, this maybe is crazy to say,
I feel like they don't have that much sugar on them sometimes.
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They're like actual candy.
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Maybe like in the US, you guys have like a certain amount of sugar
that are just automatically removed.
They don't write it on there.
Yeah, because it's in every given.
Yeah, it's like, of course, exactly.
I mean, they don't always like, or they put in chemicals
that we're allowed to put in.
They make things taste interesting.
You can't read or pronounce.
Yeah, you don't know what they are, but they're like,
I don't know, it tastes very good.
Flavoring, something you're like, okay, cool.
I like that flavor, yummy, yummy, yummy.
Something also tasty is dote that we've been having
and we can take a look at what has been happening
as we have four streams going on at the same time.
So there might be some results that you might have missed.
So let's go over some of the results
that we have going on here.
As A now, you feel about group A now?
We have a little bit of an update since yesterday.
I mean, group A looked beautiful yesterday.
It was 4-0s and 0-4s.
Yeah, I feel like they messed up the pattern.
They did, a little bit.
Yeah.
I agree.
I feel like that's my biggest problem with the Group A.
It's not cringe for Aurora, though.
Good for them.
Yeah, good job, Aurora.
Aurora and the Andex, they're going strong.
You're cold, too.
I feel like when Aurora formed, we had good expectations
because they were a lot of good players.
But then they just kind of looked like the weaker
of the good teams, for sure.
And they kind of just stuck there for all some
happy to see them have smooth results.
To be honest, I thought they were going to be terrible.
I think they're doing way above my expectations.
Really?
Yeah.
Do you think it also has something to do?
Because if we compare it to Dream League last time,
we knew that Mouses do very well because they played everything.
And now Aurora is kind of in that boat
because they have literally played everything they played last week
in the Vision 2 of Dream League.
And before that, they tried to get as many games as possible
or tried or had to.
Maybe that's a big impact for them.
I think it's definitely a chunk of it.
I think that that grind helps new teams a lot
I also feel like Lornoff is a better fit for this team than Makoto is like you can debate back and forth who
The better mid player is on an individual skill, but I feel like this you just keep Lornoff because I don't know
It's three to a risk at this point to go back to the other big player
Like there was that tournament with miles where sellers swapped off for a Q or either one tournament or whatever
Like that one to me is like it's a short time period
Maybe it still feels a little like you're there's a spot in your mind
Yeah, but now it's like if you go back
I feel like it's full fledged like full-on doubts like I wish we had Lornoff back if they go back to
Makoto. It's been a long time but definitely has an impact. Take a look if we were able to see
some of Aurora on the stream here today and I can already tell you no, no you cannot. Let's take
a look at the schedule for today that you're watching right here. No Aurora to be found so
keep the stream open but go elsewhere if you want to see them because here we're going to see
some other cool cats. We're going to have Tundra versus Spirit which actually purge. I find very
interesting because both teams have looked kind of okay. I would say they've both looked good but
they've had some falterings. I feel like good is if you compare it to what we were expecting.
Sure like you both of these teams have the capability in first place in many tournaments
but I don't even like some of the spear games they did really well but then they made a bad mistake
and they lost the fight because and then that cascaded to something else happening so it's like
They're like mostly, it's like they have their grips a little bit loose, you know?
They jump up and they try to grab the small creature and it slips out of their hands.
They're like, oh, I almost had it, it was in my hands.
That's exactly what I think when I watch Spirit.
And then people look at the floorboard and they're like, man.
Spirit lost there, they must suck.
But no, they just slipped out.
Look at the small creature, we're talking about it.
They're a wolf for sure.
Why are they crying, Jerb?
Well, this is other slip.
I didn't want to say soap.
I thought soap would be weird.
I didn't want to say soap. I thought soap would be weird.
It's like the most obvious analogy.
Is it not really a bird in taste?
Two birds in the hand is worth more...
One slippery...
One slippery bird in the hand is worth more than two slippery birds in the bush.
Yes, that is the same.
What does it mean?
It means that you're better to guarantee that you have one bird
than it is to say, like, oh, I've got two birds in that bush, but you haven't caught them yet.
That's like getting you two ahead of yourself.
Especially if they're slippery.
Especially slippery.
That's boy.
Two still be burning the bush, Dan.
With that, we are not going to see
Tundra or Spirit try to get his slippery gerbils.
We're not going to see different series first.
We're going to see permanent version versus OG.
Yesterday, actually, up until yesterday,
they were both undefeated.
And then today, they both tied their opponents.
So they're still the same score, which is kind of cool.
As we're going to focus more on this one and the same thing,
I feel like you want to start this one off.
Yeah.
I mean, I took a look at both these teams.
And I feel like it's going to be a stylistic difference today.
You're going to have OG that wants to play really fast.
And you're going to have party vision that are more like adapting to the situation
and trying to get like these draft wins.
And I feel like these two people are going to be the key players for the series.
You see, no one has a lot more variance in the heroes he plays.
Yopaj is a very much like, I'm going to play Temple and I'm going to set the pace for my team.
And I think no one is going to look to try to like hinder that with these trickier mid laners.
Like maybe we'll see some sniper, maybe we'll see some tinker.
He will kind of change the dynamic of the game rather than necessarily match that like temple style that Yopaj wants to play.
And I think this can give quite a big edge to a party if they manage to get that right.
No, I definitely agree. I think also, like it's tied to the four players.
I think nine-class play so many of these melee heroes, these weird heroes that do no damage.
So no one has to do a lot of the damage in response. Like you can't play those space makers because he needs to scale, they need the DPS from mid.
So I think it's like it ties into the structure of the draft.
But I also agree that I think no one is like a better counter pick laner.
Like Yoplas is just not going to counter pick you.
He's just going to pick Void Spirit no matter what you pick and try to go even.
Yeah, and we're going to learn a little bit more about Paravision as well,
because last stream leak became third, very good.
And then and then we haven't really heard from them since.
We played for a long time together and we wanted to stay together after TI.
And we decided to go through our problems.
And also we included psychologists in this to help improve on the mental state.
But after working for three months, we saw that we are having problems that we're probably not going to solve.
And affecting our in-game and out-game communication and gameplay.
So we decided to make a roster change.
About our roster change on scrims, we are doing well.
And I think our expectations were good and expectations are going well, scrims are going well.
And I think we just need to see how to approach the new player, because he's doing well right now, and I think we're on a good way.
I don't expect anything, I want to just grind more and try to become better, because that's the only way with the new player, because it's a whole new team, we just need to try our best.
Well, that just means that they have to make it to the top eight of group stage number
one because that means you go to group stage number two.
And I mean, this card, you just get to play more games.
I think actually I feel like OG would be in the same boat.
More games for them also still very good.
Yeah, I think this is a crazy close match.
I don't really know which way is going to go.
One thing that was interesting about what he said was about the roster spots because
it always, I find it curious.
I mean, if you're not getting first place, you're going to get friction because winning
is basically everything.
They're not playing perfectly, but he said they had stuff that they needed to work through
and then they get a new guy in.
And I was curious, in your guys' experience, if you get a new player to your team, do you
form them?
You say, like, this isn't working E5 and we're too stubborn.
So we remove one and we fit a guy in, do we make him play the way that the other four
want to play?
Is that what you're saying?
Or do they, like, scout this guy and they're like, he's the qualities that we need for
our sub.
Do you have any insight into that at all?
What it could possibly be?
I don't know what it is for party specifically, but I feel like generally when you pick up a new player
You pick him up because he has the qualities that you're looking for and then once you start playing together
You kind of figure out what fits our unit and then who needs to change some players are more adaptable than others
Some people are more rigid and then like in that way you kind of figure out how to make the team come together and work
Well, I also think some roster changes
Are not fully thought out beforehand and they're made like we want to kick this guy
So I guess we have to find a replacement. Yeah, and then you sort of find the best fit
And you both give a little bit and you meet somewhere in the middle
But I think oftentimes it's not as well thought out as you may think it is from the outside
Like they might just be pissed if you haven't like screw this guy and they find it like who's who's available this guy's getting
No, no, no, because I think to know me interviewed no one
I mean yesterday or the day before and no one said, you know, they looked at a lot of replays of offlaners and
That's what he says. The real story is like DM ticked no one in the pub and then no one contacted management and was like get this guy out of here.
Oh no. Alright we're in at draft number one here with we got OG on a Radiant Paravision Dire first pick was a Jokero followed up by a Bat Rider in terms of bands not really too much of a surprise coming out.
Is there any... did he just...
Is this flipped?
Is it flipped?
Why on earth would...
Why would Arivan monkey slark?
Yeah, it must be wrong, right?
Because I was going to say, they have played Slark a couple times on 9 class,
and he played monkey earlier today as well, so...
Yeah, I'm going to assume these are flipped.
It has to be flipped, right?
Yeah!
It is flipped confirmed, so we're going to flip around for you guys.
OG is the one that has the Batrider.
Oh, okay. So the picks are flopped too. Okay. Yes. Well, it's just this is OG
Okay, especially Banyan Windranger against OG makes a lot more sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I will say what you said earlier
It's anything about
OG playing very fast. Yeah, I feel so far every time we watch them play
They are the ones dictating how the other team also plays
Do we think para vision is gonna do that too or are you able to force out?
Is there a way to force OG to play slower?
I think Pari, when they are at their best, is when they can give you certain heroes
and they know the answers to these heroes, because they're pub spammers, they play a lot of matchups
and they can kind of like, have you play the game they want you to play
and then just respond to that and then win on Zetanic just basically outscaling you.
I don't think they're like a team that necessarily looks to like, mow you over the same way OG does.
They would rather just have a structured game and then beat you at the crucial points where you need to win the game.
So they would try to pick the drafts, more so.
I think they will give you certain heroes that they know you are going to pick, so probably this Batrider is what they decided.
We know how to beat Bat, and they gave up the Bat, and now they're going to try to make sure that OG's game plan doesn't come through until the Satanic is strong enough to win the game.
Did you guys see those win rates? Jakira most picked here with 36% win rate.
win rate. Really? Yeah. Yeah, it's 7 and 12. It feels fine. Like, I feel like he does his job in
games. People are picking him early because it is like the lane stabilizer. Even like Void
Spritz win rates, a little Largo is around 35 as well. I say Mars and win rate, you're so high,
whole, I mean, I know what they're buying, you know, that makes sense. But oh my gosh,
that's quite a lot of picks as well. Crazy. The winner's you want is kind of surprising to me.
That is better than I expected. Now, I mean, I think Perry, like their gameplay is
It's very unique, like I think there's some of that boom in some parts of the game where
I think they do this style of like they mirror you almost, like they pick, they try to pick
better scaling than you, that gives Titanic the best game matchup, and then when you run
out of the tower, they protect this tower five years, and then when you go away, they all
go away, and they split up and farm, and then if you come to a place, they go to that place,
like they sort of bounce back and forth and just keep farming and like look at where you're
going and mirror you, it's very, when you're behind against them, it feels incredibly annoying,
because Titanic is just farming a trillion gold and they just keep like body blocking
It's very weird to play against them.
What do you think about Windranger and Mars having such a high win rate?
It seems like in general, being able to kill heroes, this patch is good.
And I feel like that might sound really basic, but heroes that have tools to kill a single target just seem to be quite strong.
And I think that would also speak to why maybe Jackiro isn't that guy.
His heroes are very good at laning, he's very good at rassing, but it's not like, for example, in AA in a teamfight,
just throw an ult, somebody explodes.
He doesn't have that kind of follow up
damage in the same way.
I feel like also Mars is, there's a lot of boots
of bearing is one thing.
So there's a lot of movement speed,
like flopping around right now.
There's Largo as well, huge movement speed.
So being able to stop people from getting away
means you can actually fight pre-BKBs.
I feel like a lot of fights, setting up for Tormentor,
like anticipatory fights, like take tier ones,
win this fight, and then instead of for Tormentor,
that's all pre-BKB, right?
So like Mars ulti in a lot of ways,
if you can get the right fight is kind of like a guaranteed engagement.
Yeah, there's definitely something to do with that.
I'm curious about this Lardo in response to Bat.
We see this hero picked a lot for the Purge on the lick,
and while I think there's some credence to it,
I think this match in particular is somewhat cap,
because I don't think Purge and Snicky does that much.
I feel like Batrider is so much more about how fast he is,
and his lane and the items he buys,
and Lardo is not going to be in his lane, I don't think.
So it's a little, I don't know about this, like as a counter.
Well now it's a butt writer that's not offline, right?
Yeah, that is surprising.
Is it pause five or is it mid-bent?
I don't know, but if you do want to do something funky, I mean, Largo just removes Iron Shell.
That's also gonna be always good.
I feel like for parry it doesn't make sense as a five though.
Like, it has to be offline, right?
Yeah, they did play that first.
And they had it as offline.
Yeah, like 9 Cluster Hero, it seems like very, very odd, and that would be like the requirement, right?
I mean, this Battle Riders, what, Scam?
I feel like it's not really your Cluster Hero, and if you're playing it mid, it's a bit more of like a specialist mid-laner.
Yeah, I don't know, I haven't seen this hero in a long time. I've literally only seen it offline.
And I feel like in some ways, putting it 5 is like a waste of its power.
I think Darkseer is one of OG's best heroes.
In some ways, I think it's a bit of a crutch, the Spirit of Darkseer.
They run it all the time, and I feel like when they don't have it or Mars,
they run it to issues, because they want to run Gung-ho at you.
And if they lack the team fight of the spells to actually win those fights,
then it's weird, because I think they're like draft clashes with their play style.
Yeah.
I was just going to say, I guess they're comfortable with the possibility of a Largo going 5 to counter the Darkseer in lane,
because then it's Largo support, which is worse.
I don't know.
Because you can, you can like, you can remove the iron shells basically.
You can like really screw his like, laning stage by like, burning his mana at a better rate.
Kind of a thing, so the Darkseer could have a worse early game, but it's fine then,
because it's longer support, I guess. They're not worried about it.
I mean, my experience with playing like, Oracle into Darkseer, which is like a similar thing,
is that it is good if your other hero has the ability to pressure the guy in the lane.
Like, if you can remove the iron shells, Darkseer has no spell, you have no spell,
spell you need like an ursa or something that can abuse the fact that there's
some shells on the waves otherwise what ends up happening is both of you just
have no spells and Darkseid just drags the creeps back and does like what every
offlaner does was just this other creeps up and blasted creeps just fine and it
becomes kind of like a eh so-so counter. Makes sense.
Whisper's interesting I actually been saying in the green room quite a few times
that like I feel like this hero makes sense to me in this meta and I don't
why it's not being picked. With all the healing and aura items, it's kind of...
When you play against Wisps, you want to kill Wisps, and Wisps has the problem of
it's hard to protect yourself, but once you have pipes or whatever coming out from your offlaner
that busts out your HP pool, you become a lot stronger.
It's crazy to go to Thlago as well, because it's an AoE heal, so you're going to basically
double heal the guy that's dying. Pretty, it's a cool synergy. And it's good with Gyro, obviously.
It is a weird hero for party though, I think it's not is it that's actually really likes this. Oh, really?
Hey, he plays it on like any time he plays core. He just plays I'll core like he's actually I think secretly an I'll specialist
I'll argue is interesting because like the day he'll like amping and reamping in your healing everyone like it's very cool
I think it's good again
What's Oji has because they heroes are a bit low damage in terms of that single target bursting people outside of the questions
Yeah, first three heroes are very sort of poking blase damage and all that gets shrugged off by I'll Argo
But I do think those two heroes are very redundant together I'll Argo like it's all in on the healing
It's like I a witch doctor something back into the movement speed as well. Yeah, you're getting moves you based on their movement speeds to like
That all out of the or is work well with them
With ancient operation and out of the pool. How do you deal with that?
How do you if you know cuz you kind of know what's coming then? Yeah
The downside to stuff like this is like if you look at how does Pari actually kill a hero on the map
Like let's not think team fights
Let's just think like most of the most of the other doesn't play like as a five-man ball
Yeah, most of the time you're spread out around the map and you're doing stuff
It's very hard for heroes that do the same thing to accomplish
That kind of goal in this game like they have a very hard time planning pick offs
They have a very hard time slowing down OG heroes from farming
Their game plan will be more of like kind of like what Quinn described
where we're gonna just set up the wall, try to cut them up in half, farm our side, match you,
but make sure that Satanic is so strong that when we buff him up, you have no chance to fight us.
But that also gives OG a lot of freedom to make decisions.
You're not really crushing them, you're not really forcing them into bad situations,
and no one kind of has to be the hero that solves that for them at this year.
Yeah, kind of sounds like you're describing that OG will be able to just get their timings and then set the tempo that they want to still.
I think so, yeah.
Also, like, Paravision's draft, if you look at it, is very slow in the early game.
Like, I was not particularly strong at fighting, Spirits are okay, but the nothing special is that the two spells do no damage.
And Largo is a legit NAFK farm hero, so while J'Kyro and Jar'Hoth are like crazy strong, the other two are quite AFK.
So you can potentially just ignore the safe lane, and Spearburger gets shelled up and he runs to the safe lane with Batrider Clinks,
and you can cost the mayhem for some reactions. Like, this Largo hero is his biggest weakness, how slow he is, I think.
It's just Tracer, he said you're dead.
That's just Lord Camera right there.
That's the puck going up.
Oh no, someone else is even worse.
Alright, they needed some way to disable heroes.
The counter-axe movement puck is going to be the option here.
It gives them some more damage,
but it does feel very heavily on Satanic to deal damage.
I'll set a like, Macro-Pyre, like, or a core being there.
They just have no damage on there, on their squad right now.
Yeah, I feel like their damage in this game comes from items pretty much exclusively.
It's not through heroes' spells, so they're going to have to look to build up items.
I would way rather be OG with the only question mark being the position 5 path.
I have no idea how strong this hero is, but I feel like Scam likes to farm and Firefly
is a strong ability and if he's able to get to his blink dagger in a decent manner, I feel
like it'll be just fine.
Yeah, I do think Perverse's draft is the kind of draft though.
If they hit critical mass, then it just looks like they're cheating.
They just can't die like it reminds me of the game for OG finals the Bristol back I owe
Gyrocopter one or whatever like at some point with these IO drafts
You hit a point where you can no longer die and then it becomes absurd because you're also global and the whole match
drinks in the games over so I think it's it's there's almost a race
Yeah, it's a race against clock. Yeah taking time on the bright side. They have spear bricker
So if they can spread their heroes out a little bit they can maybe pick some off occasionally
It should be easier to predict where their games are gonna come from because outside of like the relocate
they don't really have that much setup here so they're gonna have to move a lot of heroes
for every game so there's like some maneuvering things that OG will have advantages in
and their lineup does look a lot cleaner. And of course one major advantage that OG has for this
game is they got the two me on the clings to kind of own, he's gonna own, he's gonna be fine for all
OG fans but let's see if ParaVision's ticking time bomb will come to fruition here with their healing
strap for us that was some cock-jump handouts.
Greetings and after salutations, Dota fans,
here with Cinderin. Paravision versus OG. This is, this was my match of the day. I don't know about you.
I think this one's good.
Both teams, I feel like, I don't know, Paravision, they're on the up and up. Obviously they had such a good year last year and then now they've kind of faltered a bit.
They have a little changing roster and then of course OG, self-explanatory. I picked them top three this tournament.
They've been fifth at a lot of tournaments, so will they make that next step?
We'll see. Interesting lineups as well. We get the frog. We get...
Not to call us, rather, uh...
Nine-class IO.
Not his normal type of weird hero.
Ah, but you can see his dot plus level is very high.
Yeah, so he definitely got the experience running out.
The panel is talking about that as well, that it's a secret go-to core pick.
In pub games, obviously not going to be playing core here.
Unsurprising. The call is in big trouble.
Yeah, he's going to die first.
What if Nico gets it, so the Darkseer with the extra gold, he will get a free trip back to the fountain here.
So two kills for Paravision, but the first blood for OG.
Think you'll take that?
That's definitely Paravision's favorite.
Really?
Yeah.
First blood is not worth as much as two kills.
You know, the experience as well for everybody involved.
Yeah, but if it's spread...
I guess it...
Okay, it's not that black and white, because if you get the first blood on the right hero,
it can really swing the game. Let's say you have a close-ish mid-match-up and the mid hero gets first blood and therefore they can win their lane hard
Then you're converting the gold into more gold and all of a sudden it gets interesting
But I think all in all that's completely fine for a party. If Niko has a crazy game
It's because of the first blood. Yep, just understood
Put that in there right now
For what it's worth Darkseer is a pretty game-good hero to get first blood on. I think we've talked about this in the past
Darkseer is a hero where I would argue the hardest part of the of the game for Darkseer a lot of the time is the first five minutes
Yeah, it's about getting to level three and level five
So your iron shell is good enough that you can just throw on your four and they can jungle and you can jungle and you stack camps
Etc. Etc. Cuz Darkseer doesn't really win lanes most of the time
Especially not against the dominant hero such as jikiro jikiro gyros
like insanely good
I don't know why I didn't register in my brain until that moment
We just saw him not de-war or not get the kill on the courier, but when you're attacking is jacquero
It's two attacks one of them can't miss
Oh, he hit one and missed one up hill. Yeah, it's kind of funny. Yep makes sense to individual attacks the firehead is just more accurate
How do you know is the fire?
Well, can you just prove it? Yeah, we could let's get a highlight
Get a replay of that see which head missed
Very good.
That would be a hilarious bug if it's just always one head is true.
More accurate.
Oh, that's a big courier kill, though.
Yeah, that is huge.
Before he got the bottle, that is very, very bad news for Yopas.
We're approaching the two-minute mark.
Now he has to take the water rune without his bottle here.
Niko will find a kill under Kallus, though.
It's that first blood that we're talking about, so you thought it was useless for OG.
I was expecting to see before they got a couple of levels up like this is a level one spirit breaker with charge
And they managed to find that kill on to call us so in classic jikiro fashion the hubris is what gets you
You think you can't die and here's the replay which oh, yeah
Wait it only fired one attack. Oh interesting
So the second one doesn't the projectile doesn't even show if it misses no
It's because it went into fog as like if you go into fog in between the two attacks the second one doesn't fire
How yeah, that doesn't okay. That does not make sense. It's the two shots aren't shot at the same time
I thought they I mean I thought it's registered in the same no
You know I mean they're individual instances so you can fire one shot and not do it
Can you hit s and stop the second attack? I?
Think technically probably yes, if you time it well
Interesting it's also or not interesting sometimes this also happens in lane
We click liquid fire and you want to liquid fire attack and then if you do it at the wrong time the first part of the shot goes through
than the Liquid Fire doesn't because they go in fog.
I see. It can also happen.
You can tell I don't play Jekiro because I don't play clunky heroes.
And you don't play good heroes.
Oh, you also play turbo. Jekiro's pretty bad in turbo.
Probably a lot worse there than in...
Oh, you turned him into a carry.
Well, Yopah's getting harassed by no one.
Now out of mana, though, onto the puck.
Yep.
As Natsumi gets a kill on 9-class,
so OG racking up the kills here.
I was going to talk about this lane, Insania was wondering how good this bat 5 was going
to be.
It's a really good lane matchup, playing into IO.
Largo can obviously dispel the napalms from one target, but not both.
But regardless, you're double ranged against Largo, you're just going to farm.
Dual breath coming in is due cause, and nine class coming to finish the job on Yopaj.
So finally not having that bottle really hurting his cause for that, I mean, how long was that?
Like a minute and a half?
Yeah.
No, I mean that's pretty impactful though.
Definitely.
Niko will be run down by Satanic.
Keep in mind, Satanic has Afterburner, he's actually so fast that Darkseer has to TP back
to base here.
Going for the treads first on Niko, pretty standard.
But yeah, the big winner in all of this so far in terms of CS, the easily top of the
chart here is Satanic 34 and 8, seeing the 26 and 4 on Clink switch, isn't all that surprising?
I thought maybe Ned Sumer would get a little bit more out of the lane here because I don't
see IoLargo really pressuring him at all.
But oh, this is interesting, 9-class is actually jungling.
I told you he's going to turn to a core somehow.
He is jungling minute 5.
one two zero build. SSS can solo up here because if Batrider ever goes for him, you can always
purge off the napalm stacks. You can throw a frog stump on yourself and just run away.
So they're maximizing by jungling the IO and laning the Largo simultaneously. This should
put them safe. I'm sure the panel talked about this, but the amount of disbells for the frog
this game is insane. You've got Ion Shell, Surge, Sticky Napalm, you have Resident Pulse,
We have spear breakers, hold on, hold those, we're gonna go on top of Statenix, Scan makes
his way over as well, gets a flamethrower, very nice placement, now Statenix in a bit
of trouble, looks like he's fine at distance though.
God, afterburner is so good at this game, you call us, looks like he'll be fine too.
Sometimes you see gyros, I mean gyros facets are, I don't know what the pick rate is in
pro, but I want to say it's like, it's a mixed bag, probably more afterburner than secondary
strikes but it's just crazy good in this moment to have this because the enemy
team Darkseer and Spirit Breaker always gonna be on top of you so you've got to
connect to Rocket Barrage you're gonna get that move speed and in situations
like that if you had the other fast he's dead there with the surge gonna try
no back indeed illusory orb comes through onto Tim's who will be the
sacrifice for OG even a coil expanded immediately snapped by Nico looks like
He'll be okay, no one...
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
If he loses Warp.
Surge has a Podschulon cooled on level 1.
That's true.
Nobody's really coming to help Nico either, so he's gonna have to dodge this?
He does.
He does, and a Surge...
Womp.
EEEK!
ISE!
On top of him?
...and he's okay.
Told you, so there...
That was an important Wrb dodge, nicely done.
SSS getting charged globally, and I assume he comes out of his invisibility.
Frogstop is going to delay this a bit.
Even Yopash coming to play as well gets the 8th of Remnant SSS.
It's just still staying alive.
Meanwhile, NatSumi dying to Satanic, it looks like, as the Spirit Breaker falls.
And so does NatSumi, so OG Loose too.
They did end up getting SSS in that engagement, but it took way too long.
If they had gotten that just a little earlier, then they could have turned that fight potentially.
Yeah, it's the IO factor. You're gonna see the replay here.
so they go and open on him good initial damage nice job from him getting off the
procs dump in time that's really slowing them down on the kill
the tether in the heals from nine class he almost survives this game have to use
the final step here to get the trade at the very least but great move from
Parvizion protecting their wisdom as well with that move so back to the
aspect of the game which I'm interested in which is Largo and the dispels like
This was a pretty early Largo pick, right? It was like second pick?
Yep, second pick.
Is this not something you care about if you're OG?
That he can... I mean, he only has one tongue, I guess?
It's hard to draft a lineup that doesn't have spells you can dispel, right?
I'm not saying you avoid a complete... Is it something that's in the back of your mind, though?
Are we picking too many things that can be just completely dispel?
I think having many things that can be dispel is not a problem.
Do you have heroes where it's like something really crucial that can be dispel?
and i would argue in this in lane that that writer is the big one right
uh...
it's that writer in lane and it's dispelling search in lane i would say
it's pretty powerful and i don't show
uh... but they obviously didn't lane against each other so it doesn't really
matter for that
uh...
i'm trying to think of what's like
what's the worst thing to pick into lago just for the dispel
it's something that's coming to mind is ursa you just remove overpowered that's
really bad
uh... when you lose that
i guess some matchups
For support, like if you're playing Largo into Warlock, you can never use fatal bombs.
No one TP's to the bot lane. He wants to focus.
The dark sphere, as Tim simply charges away. Even the wall is placed.
Coil as well.
A lot of damage on Enneco, and his surge is running out.
Getting quite low. It's going to be a bit of a chase, but he does burn on the high ground there.
Two through call-less.
Relocate returns, and nine-class will maybe find a nice placed remnant.
But he navigates around it, not enough.
For OG's sake, they at least get one, but definitely not the trade they're looking for, Nico's second death of the game.
I have to say this was two very evenly matched teams so far, and the way in which they're playing is...
Kind of what the panel talked about, that Parvizion are very good at being reactive,
so if you're playing heroes like Dark Souls Spirit Breaker into a very reactive team,
you've got to expect them to be ready to counterplay,
And on seemingly every move from Tim's there's either been a puck there or there's been a reload or an IOTP
They have their number
Not a big lead by any means, but I think par vision are if they could look at the game state now
There would be more than happy
They just need time
Largo needs to reach critical mass with ION we might reach the point Quinn was talking about where the dire might just not have enough
Damage my concern for par visions land up on the other hand is they don't have very much single target damage
It's a very, it's a very spread damage line up, right?
Puck is kind of AoE, at least until very late in the game when it starts doing really hard single target damage with Parasma.
Gyro with Flak Cannon is more of a spread damage carry than
straight up single target. So perhaps if you get a timely Crimson Guard on Darkseer here and Greaves, maybe you're...
It's gonna be like two walls running into each other. I don't know who's actually gonna have the kill power here
with the right itemization on the dire.
It's not going to be easy.
What is he going for?
I would say you get pipe and crims in this game.
I just think both items together are really, really good here.
Yeah, we'll be the pipe first at least.
Yeah.
And he's not going grieves as he bought treads, so they're probably bypassing that item entirely.
Well, maybe he's watching a slacks video from old and he's just going to go multiple boots as well.
There's a possibility.
Yeah, but if you do that build as slacks, you don't buy anything else.
So, the soul ring already.
It's not the right build path.
That's fair.
If there was a boots of Midas, you would obviously buy that first.
Don't get any ideas, I straw.
So what's the...
So, Manta's style is going to be the first item for Satanic.
I'm always interested in the build-ups for the Gyrocopter,
because obviously you can sell everything if you want, or the...
And chop-chop it up.
You can take everything apart.
We just assemble it.
Yeah.
But...
When do you go Ags first?
When do you go like a Maelstrom instead?
When do you go Chrysalis?
Because we've seen...
Yeah.
A lot of variation.
Manta is not...
At least in my experience, not that common as the first main item.
I would say, honestly, there are some times that I see these pro teams, and Gyro is one of the most interesting heroes to watch itemization from,
because like you pointed out, there's like three or four build paths where most carries have two.
In this game, Manta is very good because of Batrider and Spiritbreaker, if you're clutch, and against Clinkz.
Just, you know, Clinkz really wants to single target the correct one when he comes out with Strayf.
So I get that mindset, you also get more movement speed together with IO that's really cool to have the Yasha component.
So I can see the rationale here for why I go Manta, but just specifically, there's been a couple of games where I've questioned the Manta versus Zonjara, we've casted together.
Do I like it here? I like the Manta in this game, but I'm not sure if you had to buy it first, I guess.
Like, you could have also gone axe first, and then you have Mansa second, or Crystal is first, for more farming speed.
It's kind of interesting. It would be cool to hear the player's perspectives on this, because it's a give-and-take.
This is...
This should be a slower farming item, clearly, than axe, but maybe it's less bad with IO.
Okay, they're on him!
Yes, they are charged right on top of that IO, last of the reserve for the gyrocopter, but it's Scam who gets burned to a crisp.
Nine classes to trade for now for that rocket barrage is just tearing Tim's a new one.
Yeah, they have to hit that wall. He has way too much movespeed.
Two for one exchange in favor of paravision.
IO already is proving to be quite tough to take down. The vessel of Yopash made it possible. Without it, you might not even have died.
Clinkz with the best I would love to get involved.
And it would be a very fast shard with that burning barrage, one of the best farming items in the game.
Yeah, as far as carries go, this is probably a top 3, right?
When I think of carry shards, I think of Clinkz, and I think of...
Clinkz getting dusted, Ios coming with the relocate as well, and he tries to get a kill he does onto Ducalus,
But it's still gonna be the death of the clink Oh, but they trick and oh wow
You'll punch coming in out of nowhere has this been late to get to the high ground as well
Should be fine to get away with that murder. That's really good for OG considering Dallas an initiation from party where they
Got a clean for four versus one opener and clink. He still gets two charges on the death zone
He gets the lick so
More bulldoze for you.
Back to carries.
Carry shards, clinks, weaver, and Slark, I guess, but Slark isn't really played that
much as carry.
It's a really good shard, though.
Of course.
It's one of the best shards in the game.
It's mostly for support, Slark, if anything.
Yeah, it's just, as far as carries go, many carries just don't buy their shard, right?
Like Gyro is obviously never going to buy his, as an example.
Terrible.
Yeah, you're probably right. I'd have to look at the list and really consider it though,
you know, just because I don't want to say that you're right.
Fair.
You're probably right.
Monkey King's Shard is pretty good too.
Yeah, it's not as good as Burning Barrage. I mean Burning Barrage, like, you get AoE
farm as clink.
Yeah.
It is.
It's crazy.
It's crazy. If you didn't have that shard, you're okay.
Botanic. Are you tanky enough? Pops the Manta, actually dodges the stun. There's the Nethirstrike,
to 9 class in the wall, not doing that much here.
You're gonna have to back away because this awkward,
there's too much damage to it with all the attempts.
Does limp away.
Feels like they need to connect with Yopaj on these moves.
The fact that he wasn't there to begin with means
not that much kill potential yet.
So, keep in mind about iOS,
9 class now picks up his mech is,
I don't doesn't like upgrading this to grieves
because the boots are irrelevant
always tethered to your core
so the reason i'm looking at that is he's obviously playing as the best
oh hang on, nico
we're on the table, nice vacuum on the door, he would be proud of the spirits getting him low
attempted tp and he's fine
oh that's amazing
now the mantle illusions also stuck on the high ground here
oh wait the charge, how close is he to it?
he won't read either of them
And there's a possibility he would have pushed them off anyway, but...
Very nice move, from Nico.
Imagine getting two Hero Vacuum onto a cliff onto the poorhead of the Mangebi.
That is the ultimate BM.
I mean, going for the spray here as he's keeping out is big-style points for me.
Like that is just amazing.
One of the few usages of sprays that we can truly, truly admire.
A lot of the sprays look really funny when you do them on top of freeze,
where they get like a really long nose or something that's my favorite part is
that valve made it integrate with the terrain in the way they did it instead
of just making them forced flat the three-dimensional sprays is quite funny
pressure on the mid tower from parry you know let's keep vision on that spray paint
oh very dramatic one tower is taken by para vision very even game that's true
Not enough for Yopaj though, he'll get the top one on his Void Spirit.
Looking at a Yule's angle, this has been very popular in this tournament so far.
I think the most common Void Spirit we've seen has been not finishing Vessel, but you're
playing against Ayo and Largo, so you're probably just going to buy it, right?
But we've seen Urn into Yule's into Axe be popular with the Shard for farming.
Let's see, Tannock with...
Okay, now I can go almost at the hero list.
I'll use Shard.
You're talking about carry shards?
Yeah, let's see here.
Terrorblade is really good too, Demon's Eel. That's definitely up there as well.
I would not put that ahead of Clinkz. I mean, no, I would not put that at Clinkz.
We agree Sniper is not in this discussion because he's carried too infrequently.
That's also a very good shard though. It is good. Concussive grenade.
That's this conversation in a nutshell.
I will give it to you.
Good job.
Top three, secured, Cinderyn.
So what did we say?
Weaver, Clinkz, and...
That doesn't matter.
Oh, just Clinkz is in the top three?
Yeah.
I mean, I'm...
I mean, it's top two, apparently.
I wasn't even...
I was pretty confident in the top three.
Not bad.
He had a lock for him.
seeing it being put to use immediately here in the triangle.
Working on a dragon lance,
wants to outrange the gyro further.
You're not gonna outrange flak cannon,
I'll tell you that.
TP's top, you'll pause this year as well,
they're trying to take out the IO first,
can they do it?
Oh!
Vacuum wall and running class is dead right off of that.
Now the focus is on Statenac,
the tribes are running away,
he's doing a good job of that because of that bastard,
and now Natsumi and company are burning so hard right now,
that's four dead for OG.
My goodness! All the sustain from SSS, Paravision, somehow escaped this fight with a 1-4 exchange.
Wow, that looked like it was just gonna be... Oh, hang on.
I don't really know, I suppose. SSS, he's still gonna survive though.
He purged off the Vesel.
He's still singing his song.
Yeah, it's hard to Vesel, Largo.
You gotta be clever about it. He's gonna dispel it in regen, effectively making it a heal, though when you Vesel him.
But yeah, I thought for sure, OG were gonna have that.
Alright, surely DePaul is false here, he does.
Actually, the charge ends up connecting onto the puck because the Jekiro died first!
Oh man! What a turn of events for OG!
Now, 9th class connected to Satanic again, he's gonna be focused again.
They can drop to the damage though, as Tim's and everybody focusing this aisle, they do get him.
Satanic, oh, I can't so fast with this facet.
Charge hit, Nolokaz and another Mansand Dodge, second of the game for Satanic.
This guy's good.
No wonder he's so cocky.
If you're going to be cocky, you've got to have what it takes to back it up.
This guy just delivers. Okay, so here's the replay on the previous fight, right?
So I thought when this vacuum wall hits and this charge, this is such a sick combination of abilities.
That's just like surely, oh gee, I'm winning this fight.
But Satanic, again, courtesy of the facet plus the songs from Largo,
Runs out, hasted, survives, and everybody gets to reconnect.
And keep in mind, Jarrah has done a lot of damage already before he gets forced out,
so it's not like he did nothing in the fight.
I had to do a double take.
I felt like there was fatal bonds in it.
Everybody was so low on even HP.
So much damage from Paravision, though.
And then you saw Niko all chat.
He took 1,100 damage from Largo.
Good stuff.
Yeah.
No coil.
Silence into the coil, trying to wait it out, gets off the...
Yeah, he's fine.
Oh, double jump away into instant TP.
He thought there was more coming his way there.
Played that very safe.
Well, Roche was on his way, so understandable.
Very scary indeed.
That is not the right timing to go for that gank, though.
Part of it shouldn't get...
Would you pull a quick one on them here?
They get the shard on Spirit Breaker.
This is a feels good one.
Oh yeah, I love this one.
It's just, it's very basic.
It's one of the more boring shards in the game,
but it's just good.
You get 85 movement speed on charge.
I mean, part of it feels bad that you have to pay for it,
because this used to be just part of the ability, right?
they literally offloaded it from talents to
Akshard
but if you can get it for free here then everything is a-okay
yeah
you're just gonna stand there?
I forget how long I stood there but
you're doing a really good job at holding this grimace not sure if it's edited or if
that's me
genuinely
just for life
what can you do?
fall asleep where you stand
look at the nice ability to toggle in real life
just being able to sleep while standing sometimes
that's narcolepsy i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy
well if you choose it
like it's hopped in
i would like to sleep now
ten
he's out
no coil
no one's thinking about this
wisely decides against jaunting there another wisdom
This time picked up by Miss Misha Fogg.
And what does he got? He's got his axe going for the Kaia.
Yeah, standard.
Likely a BKB. Is it a BKB game?
You got LASSO, you got another strike that goes through.
I think it's decent. You're also blocking quite a lot of damage in spite of, you know, being CC-able.
It is a pretty good Lincoln's and Lotus game though.
Yeah, maybe it's better to go.
Maybe it's got the added value of Lotus as well because of the vessel maybe it adds up. I don't know
How close is Darkseid to Crimson so not that far off as expected he'll be buying both that will be a pivotal point in the game for
OG that's when they're at their strongest
I think they're a vision they get the silence to start things out into the coil again. You'll punch
He's gonna try to break it with those you'lls but he goes right into an ice path and that is gonna be the
The assassination of the mid laner from the OG side, paravision.
Good layering.
And then get the doctor.
Who gets the doctorate?
It is Satanic.
Doctor Satanic in the house.
Do not want to be treated by him, I think.
Roshan will, uh, defeat a dissertation.
This Iolargo combo is so insane amounts of healing.
That's going to be a fun step to look at after this game, regardless of how close and how
long it's going to be a just halting match.
Oh Niko, on for the vac he does, but it's a little bit too late.
So Tanec secures the Aegis.
Obviously one of the worst heroes in the game, and as far as carries go, to make a wall illusion of.
Gyro as seen as a decently common counter pick against
Darkseer for this reason, Ursa is another one, where the illusion just isn't that great.
But they're both very good against Darkseer and lane.
And so far so good for Satanic now 7-0 and 6 in the charge through but
Finally a pick off here for Netsu may feel a bit quiet this games by his clink standards
Yeah, he's got eight charges on the deso
step by step not sure how much I love the
dragon lands here
Instead of getting a faster potential eggs or a Daedalus
Because what are you outranging with this?
you may be getting better position against gyro and perhaps he wants the
full pike to try to disengage when they pile on top of him I could see that
part but if the last couple fights or anything to go by og are missing just
that you know extra 20% damage would go a long way and that's what a crystal
this could have been he is going aggs now though so it was just a value land
This is not going to upgrade it fully unless it's on the way.
It is not. He almost has Axe.
Here's the final component.
Satanic is starting to create some distance though. 4k ahead
of the clinks.
Which by extension means that OG are ahead on the other rolls on average.
So interesting. They're way ahead on support.
Is he just not going to go Axe until much later?
He's going Hurricane Pike now.
and to stay canning as they get charged but they don't want any of this right now
you got the two lives it I think this is the single hero in the game that I am
most curious about pros mindset on when they itemize so yeah curious for sure
Coil, skin is clocked.
Goodbye.
Burning in his own oil.
Sad way to go.
Still pretty damn even game though, I have to say.
Once again, it is just satanic, is very far ahead, but OG's supports are looking nice and healthy there, sitting at 6.5k.
Way ahead of the jikiro and IO, so it's a...
I mean, what's your strategy in fights if you're OJ? Are you trying to just take out? I mean, I
mean, obviously there, but the problem is, Largo is pretty hard to kill.
I think you can prioritize IO. But my concern for them is, what about Ghostseptors? Like,
if they just get a Ghostseptor on 9-class and even kill them? I think Clanks is such a big portion
of their damage, and you're going to be ignoring the wall if there were any illusions there.
Axe for Natsumi now, perhaps that is OG's time to shine.
They have to do something, he has Axe level 18.
This is a big, big power spike.
Wow, they're still ages for two minutes, so you don't want to wait this out?
Maybe you can find a fight away from the gyro.
They almost have Relo again, actually.
I thought there was going to be a bit bigger of a window, but Relo will be ready for this
tense.
You know what you call this?
He's going to be found, takes an astral set, takes a lick as well, speaking of lick, that's
gonna be Alasso right on top of the frog. SSS is dead to start this fight. Good start for OG overall,
no one taking the breath of the damage as well. Gets to the north though, but Natsumi gets destroyed
by Satanic. Still with that Aegis, they do not want to fight him right now. Gets four staff and
Satanic can likely just finish this himself. Subble seal for the Gyrocopter. SSS did buy back though.
Yeah, I guess this turns into somewhat even trade with that in mind, but my god is Satanic strong.
They reload and into basically 3v5 and they are winning it handily when all
the spells are used gyro is king look at that damage breakdown what's the other
gyro fast the secondary strikes is where you your ulti hits twice oh man
that's a fast count right there tell you what yep good for him he's fast we can
get out again they were nowhere near winning that this is the first time a
My team has been up by more than 1k, I feel like.
It's been super neck and neck.
See, this is the way to do it.
You want to lasso Largo and blast him, as they did here.
And it's a nice nether strike on Tupac as well.
If they could somehow have taken out no one here, in this instance, instead of him getting
away, maybe you have a fighting chance, but when the state panic comes in, he's as fast
as the search starts here.
He's hasted with his afterburner plus IO, and then he just hides himself in and continues.
Nice and easy.
Cool
4k lead now next wisdoms are the common
Little bit of breathing room for para vision. Yeah, the real story is this try. How do you kill gyro?
Connected to IO with the frog nearby
It's very very tough
I mean the fact that he hasn't even bothered for a bkb or anything of the sort
still just
Going for the farm slash damage route, now Satanic will get his namesake.
And he has his eyes set on a silver edge after that, so still no aggs, still no BKB.
The silver is a bit curious here.
Wants more movespeed? Question mark.
Doesn't need that. I mean, what's he breaking?
Bash.
Just all about the positioning I suppose, I mean he also hasn't committed for it yet, right? He's queuing it up.
Maybe his idea is he wants to reliably find clinks.
You could argue for a swift blink in that case as well, just as soon as he shows up you just blink on top of him and pop everything.
They are lacking maybe a traditional initiator, that could be a pseudo-initiation, they have to fucking...
Well, I guess they have ice packs from afar, it gets licked back in, pops his crimson, pops everything, it's not gonna matter.
Not nearly enough.
And yeah, it's very important and I'm very good for par vision that's mechanic is this far ahead, because as I was talking about with my concerns about damage,
if Gyro isn't this big, let's say Gyro has the same net worth as Clink's right now, I think you're...
A lot of the moves you're trying to pull off just don't work, because you don't hit hard enough, but Gyro has so many items and so much damage.
He has two more items at that based on that worth.
He's up by 6k on the clinks now, and that's the full Daedalus plus a bit.
Gyro of course can do meaningful single target damage, but without X, that single target damage is significantly lower.
It just...
Point here, this market still doesn't matter.
You have enough for now at least.
John for OG will be to try to find another structured team fight where they get to all play together and utilize their auras
and again you have to kill those healers first
Can you get through the raid boss? 11-0 for Satanic so far
If he does die he'll probably by BKB right after
I would imagine.
Or a Lincoln's maybe.
Or do you just go stats?
I'm trying to think what item I like the most here.
Okay, so he's chop-chopping up now.
He's disassembled his falcon blade into every component,
locked all of them.
Okay, interesting. Scam. He's found out here on the outskirts of the map.
SSS is continuing to keep pace with that song, just haunting Scam and now the spirit's finding him.
It's so interesting that he can't get away there.
Largo IO, hasted movement.
Oh, coil onto 2.
Any reload?
I assume he's going to be fine, Tims.
Actually has a BKB of his own.
Actually, they're going to find the pocket.
Looks like no one though.
His Lincoln's prox on another strike and he's fine.
Close call there for OG, the Batrider did buy back.
Yeah, that was a reload without Gyro, so that could have potentially been dangerous, but they managed to disengage.
They lose nobody.
They'll rush in in about 40 seconds.
Another bit of real estate about to be flamed here, final tier two tower, Satanic.
Doesn't afraid of anything as we used to say ten years ago, or whenever that was.
Did you ever see the name All Your Base are belong to us?
That's one of the originals, man.
Old school.
I forgot which game it's from.
I don't remember either.
I've seen the video recently too, just for nostalgia's sake, never played the game though.
Okay, the Hurricane Pike finished for Natsumi, and I mean, he's been sitting on this crystal list for a bit, so...
Not finishing the Daedalus.
Is there any item for Void Spirit? I mean, he has Shiva's, which is a... I mean, they desperately need that.
Mm-hmm looks like eggs will be next for the double silence potentially see what else you would buy
Oh, they find perhaps a little pick off here on the college. Yeah, there is a relocate though
No one though on the high ground getting destroyed by Natsumi and his skeletons
That is a big kill for OG
That is not bad for them. They want to go for more and I continue you'll punch with the astral step, but
that relocate away is successful on SSS just trumps his way to the other side of the map.
Actually did cost the buyback for Ducales, so another...
Not bad for OG for sure.
Yeah, OG is being awarded with a couple of buybacks not needed from Paravision here.
They have some good heroes to play around Clinkz with when things connect.
What Clinkz loves to play with is reliable stun chains so they can get the full barrage
off plus your eggs. So Badrider lasso is a long-duration single target stun. You've got Charge plus
Nether Strike combo. You've got the Remnant pull into strong slows, which also works quite well.
So it's a matter of, for OG, it's a matter of can you set things up so your clink just gets to
kill shit, because otherwise you're not killing much. Clink has to pass through the front of the
damage. And his Silver Edge Floor finds the clink. The Hurricane Pikes there, he gets licked back
in that, soon he gets hit by the humming missile, he's gonna survive for now,
now inside of the flames and the fire, he does fall to St. Tannick, who is now
just gonna rampage everyone, that's a double kill for him, and now they can start
hitting these buildings in all likelihood, or just get Roche, probably both, 70
seconds. I really like the playcalls, not even waste time on Roche here, if the
if these two heroes don't have Bibeck, which is the case, this could be two
two lanes with Barracks. A full minute, 5v3. Their lineup isn't the best at pushing. Jekyll
is obviously okay. Jairon, the king of hitting buildings, but he's good. Good enough. Yeah,
the wave is killed. So that's the first lane of Barracks here. Will they go for a second
or will they take Roche? That's the big question here. My door should be kicking in any second
now, but the wave is on the way after, so...
Oh!
Satanic, you're left to rooming!
The tank is causing like, I can't finish it!
Yep, that's about his real voice.
Okay, next to top here.
Clanks does have buyback all of a sudden, but with only 20 seconds, there is pretty much no way he's going to expend it.
So they took the full lane, almost a tier 3, and now I would imagine they're going to be line for Roshan.
I mean, I feel like when you get that second fortification, that's almost an objective in and of itself.
Yeah. That's fair.
And now you know, next time you go high ground, as long as it's within that timeframe, you'll be good to go.
This is potentially the last fight of the game here.
If OG lose this, it's over.
If they win it, and maybe steal Roche, they could come back with a vengeance, but this has to work.
They have a good amount of vision available.
Skim has two ops. He's gonna give one over to Tim's.
Roche, Belches, Yopash.
Smoke on smoke.
Actually start things out, gets the D ward.
So, Redmond in there, they can see that they are not
Rushing at the moment.
Ward from Tim's, they do see it.
Immediately counter-warded.
And they also see the second one if they get out there.
They have this entry pre-placed now.
That's out of par vision.
You can see the lines being drawn here from say, Tannock down bottom, calling for a reload.
Just relocate.
Yeah, because what they want to do is they want to pressure this next wave to force Uji's hand.
Now this bottom wave with Double Siege is actually pretty fast if that thing just completely goes for it.
Butterfly's weak though.
For Satanic and yeah, he is back where he came from.
Now it gets awkward. These Double Siege creeps are going to start hitting bottom.
There's a backpitting from Tim's.
I don't know what they wanted to do with this relocate.
For what it's worth, you don't have to go back for this though.
I think the wave is going to get wiped out by just the tower.
Or you could send this guy back.
Thanks, third breaker, will of course be enabled, he'll be able to connect to the fight as long as they see someone to charge on.
Let's see Satanic and then actually get the charge, Chivas.
Really dispelled by Satanic and Roche getting extremely low, Niko goes in with them back,
Stalmer snatches the Aegis at the last moment, and Attumi just raining from above, but the
Ethereals are going to be able to keep the Jikiro alive meanwhile Satanic on top of
9 class trying to go for the clicks, but a nice lasso is going to separate them from
the rest of the fight.
Meanwhile SSS does find Niko, and now an immediate buyback from the Spirit Breaker, so OG they
lose a couple, despite some really good moves and they get that Aegis, dies twice.
It's largely just a math scheme. If Clink's isn't hitting, people won't die. And Parvizion
are well aware of this. So the moment Clink shows they reload on top of him and they bully
him out of the fight. It was a really nice lasso from Skam without that Natsumi's dead
to the Gyro. They got two Ghostseptors, so...
Yep. That was that problem we were talking about. How are they going to continue to kill
supports when the Ghost Sector is coming because Planks is so big of a part of the damage.
Yeah, it feels like Nullifier, if the game would ever get to that point, would be necessary on somebody.
Yeah.
Well, that is second lane, and they could go...
Well, not sure if they want to.
It's not like they have that Aegis.
That does delay the game for OG, Silver Lining.
Yeah, it's a pretty thin one though.
And this is the problem for Natsumi, he has to go MKB because of the butterfly, so who
in the hell can go for nullifier, like a Spirit Breaker made, like it's just gotta be somebody
random.
Yeah, that's tough.
Spirit Breaker, queuing up your favorite item that we never see.
What's that?
Heaven's Hallbird.
Oh, shit.
Because he's playing against a Gyro that doesn't have BKB.
So, that's why he has to say Tannick though.
Oh, it doesn't.
It doesn't have to spell.
Oh, it's a hard to spell only, right?
Okay.
Oh, Coil.
Nathumi is found, but the last one on top of the puck, but no one just has so much
damage with the Tannick pass to him.
Nathumi, okay.
He might make a spell.
He will.
Looks like he might be okay.
SSS on top of Yopaj though, in the midst of all of this, no one wants to continue the
fight.
Watch with the astral step gets a good
Distance away
Still 2k away from his axe. It does feel like oh dear casting all their spells in disengaging though
They're not true. They're not really threatening anyone
Satanic has not feared for his life in quite some time
15 0 and 8 for this absolute beast of a gyrocopter
550 CS minute 40 is not bad
And this is gonna be mega creeps. All OG can do is attempt to delay.
But there's the MKB, so that is what they were probably waiting for because the buyback was there the whole time for scamp.
This would be the last-ditch effort for OG to try and get back in this game.
That's a fact of the game.
Agathames on IO, alright.
Well, that's been a while since I've seen that one, Cinderan.
Classic 9 class. You see this inventory and you say it's 9 class, I would guess it was Flink Tinker.
Buy the same items on IO. He ended up going for the Greaves that we talked about.
Are you even going to buy this on IO with mech?
I mean, you could do it. The Disadol is really good.
Right, but you could have bought Lotus or you could use Largo. There's like other options, right?
But I genuinely thought he wasn't going to upgrade the mech
And just go Lotus instead
Doesn't really matter all that much whatever works. It is a cheap upgrade
So in spite of IO getting nothing out of the boots component
It's still good enough
This is such a crazy gold breakdown to see like this net worth chart just looks like somebody's smurfing or playing alchemist
It's pretty rare that the distance is this big at this level, you know between two carries and it's not like that series played a bad
game. Satanic show to be honest.
Absolutely monstrous.
Looking for the killing blows soon. 42 minute wisdom might be something they're looking at here for a potential level 25 upgrade for Satanic, how close is he?
Yeah, that would be his 25.
It's black cannon cooldown and insane talent.
So for game two, what's the approach, OG?
I think the thing they struggle is just this healing.
I think Largo is just a problem.
And Natsumi just dies here by the way, so the game just ends.
It has just over.
The game has ended now.
That is the most anticlimactic way this could have possibly ended.
They wait a minute and a half for him to get MKB.
Yeah.
He dies one time.
Oh well.
I love Power Rangers' draft this game.
I think this was really, really cleverly put together.
The higher, larger combination.
Good job, puppy.
Pay dividends.
And, yeah, to the side of OG, I think it's not like OG got run over in the sense that
a couple of the fights they lost, they lost by very little.
Like, had those fights swung a little bit in their favor, they hit their item timings
earlier.
Panic was on sub 5% like twice I think in this game where he could have died.
Just these little things where maybe a slightly better execution, maybe one different item choice,
one different hero could have done it.
But sometimes things can end up looking really one-sided toward the end.
It is a compounding game and all of the little things went right for Partizan this time around.
Not that much anti-healing coming out from OG.
They had the Sheevas and I believe that's it.
That's true, but the best one was getting the spell.
I think getting Largo is a good start for them.
Just cutting through all that healing has been obviously very tough.
We can't see the healing here, but I'm going to break it down.
Let's have a quick, very quick look here at the healing.
Largo healed 12k and so did Io. That's a lot.
With that in mind, let's hear from a couple of dudes.
I love being a couple of dudes as far as going to cold drink.
That's like the coolest thing ever.
They're coming eventually.
I promise.
Waiter?
What do you think about the game so far?
I feel like it kind of went as we expected.
I said we did a pretty good job at analyzing the game.
Very original kind of farm.
Oh, okay there.
Thank you.
Oh, lovely.
I appreciate it.
What's your drinking choice?
Mostly air.
Yeah.
Oh, seriously, I'm supposed to do that, sorry.
Oh, this guy's thirsty.
Oh, shit, it's wet.
Is it?
Yeah, it actually is.
Whoops, my bad.
So, what is we expected?
The heal bot, it did come online.
It was a little healing.
It wasn't like super healing, though.
It wasn't like as healing as I may have expected.
Yeah, it wasn't like some dude was getting gigadips and he was just out healing at all.
it all, it was kind of just Jiro had 16 quadrillion net worth and just shot them all.
How does that happen? Because I find it so flabbergasted when one person can be so good
at a game that when there's so many people trying so hard to be good at the game, like
how does he just go a whole game with a nine? Like how would you have to be like to be that
different in a video game? I mean I feel like he's just like a selfish
go-to player. Like it's not a bad thing, like it's a playstyle choice, but like there's
Some players that will come to fights or will do things because they feel like it's good for the team
Whereas I feel like his viewpoint is one of if it's good for me
It's good for the team and he just goes and hits the nearest camp and does every decision that gives him the most gold
Like I think this guy's only thing he thinks about is what gives me the most cold and I'm gonna do that
And are you saying it works?
I mean, I'm sure there's lots of total players that have tried to win that way
But in pubs especially right increase the network your net worth as much as possible because you think you're the best decision maker
Yeah, but in the highest highest levels is that does it only work because he happens to be the best decision maker?
Or is it because his team also plays around that place offer?
I think he's also just really gifted like I'm a planner with this guy in pubs like two and a half three years ago and
Like he would the way he would mantlethouch spells or the items through the body like this kids got the sauce and in a couple years
He's gonna be really like everyone could feel it a few years back
You talk to people like you know this is a panic guy
He's gonna be something how much are they on your radar before they actually picked up my protein because from the outside
If I'm not playing in those pubs, I only see him when he joins the team
I think it depends how good they are like if they're the really really amazing type of players
Like I think if you think back in the day like our TZ and those types of players like people knew these guys were really good before
They were probably emails well yes to mail for sure like you playing against this guy
It's like how I can't wait against guy just kills me reading what takes happening
And so I think for like the generational type talents you can, but I think there's players like Laurel for instance
Who's went on to win TI when reality you know an incredible player who when you play with that guy when he was like back on
Bethlehem years and years ago it was kind of like he's a guy
So I think it depends on like the scale of their greatness whether they're like this to panic kind of guy who the team is about them
Compared to them just being like you know just a guy who fits in the team was really good at the game obviously, but he's not like the star
I think one other thing we talked about in the draft that
but kind of surprised when we thought they'd have a low damage.
And I think one thing that I keep on addressing
is how much Largo does for your team, damage-wise.
And it's not necessarily just his ags,
but I feel like it's also like giving them damage.
It's just so hard to see.
I wish they would differentiate it in the post-breakdown screen
because it's hard to gauge whether it's good or not.
Yeah, it's one of those.
Yeah.
Now, it's one of those heroes that like,
it kind of feels like he's owning,
but you don't really see the onage.
It's just like, why is no one dying?
like why are we all dying? And then you're like, I guess it was the frog because it's not anything else.
Yeah, I mean, the only obvious thing is the anti slow, I think is the most clear
way that he's really effective. If you get by your struck, you still run away. That kind of thing.
But yeah, the damage amp is tough to see. Is there even an effect for like the magic damage
versus the, because he makes you do magic damage based on a component of your physical or whatever,
right? Yeah, I don't think, I don't think it's that visual. And I also think even pro players
when a hero first comes out, a lot of them don't really understand what all the spells do.
Like, you might read the spells and have it like you know what they do in a general sense,
like he has a magic amp, he has an amp.
A bad bloody time!
When you move your thing, I wanna see you do it some more
Ain't no words that can't describe the feeling that comes over me
Cause I'm not used to time to dance, all you gotta do tonight
So baby, tonight won't you get into the groove?
It's a perfect kind of night to make your dreams come true
So come with me, you wanna leave those kids behind
Let this party go, da-da-da-da-da
So baby, the light won't you get into the room
There's a perfect kind of light to record you come true
So come with me, I'll leave those kids alone
Let this party go, and I'll be there
I'm so into you, girl
You feel the groove so into you
Can you feel the groove of the music
I like the groove, yeah
That's got the groove, yeah
It's dance, dance live, it's night away
It's night we fall in love tonight, tonight is all
It's dance, dance live, it's night away
It's night we fall in love tonight, tonight is all
This is it, this is it, man
Don't ever stop, man
Always make me fall in love
Don't ever stop, man
It's been 6,000 days since I saw the baby, now I can see the house next to it, the second
And you're right.
Stand again, mate.
And you're right.
That's the time.
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I'll never disappear
No, I am not one to reach here
This is the day that I must say
If I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't thank you
Enough, enough, yeah
Enough, enough, I know you're fine
But it's over now
Welcome back, you are watching Gremli season 28 and we are in the middle of a series
It's Paravision vs OG and Paravision is a good one
Very good
We're going to find out what happens again number two very soon
But not yet
Because you might have seen that there's been a challenge going on
going on and the morning crew were to get their challenge and it's time for us to also
start on the challenge and the challenge this time around is Groovy Rainbow Grip.
Create the groovyest look with your batik equipment.
The team who creates the best looking t-shirt will get two points.
The team with the best socks will get one and do your best.
Twist shut the sides.
The huge sides.
So, we have a box. Now, I will say there was a box filled with paint this morning, and
because at the moment the morning crew is O2 behind, they got the little bit of an advantage
by getting the first, being the first team to choose the colors.
So, I got here T-shirts.
We're winning.
Oh, it's so easy. I can't even, like, it's like, I'm not even trying.
I'm not even trying.
I'm not even talking about everything we did.
I've got four T-shirts. We don't have any socks, actually, unless this is, no, there's
No socks wait remember them doing socks. I mean that was up in half and half
I don't even they don't have socks they had them but they didn't do it. At least I didn't say it
So perfectly your Swedish company is the plan of the t-shirts
So
It's a considering you know that the so the morning team try to also we'd not just pick on the best colors
They will try to sabotage us a little bit by giving us maybe worse cause you're trying to motivate me
Don't do that. What do you think that I work yesterday? It won't work again
What do you think they did?
If you had a box filled with all the colors of the rainbow,
which ones did they leave for us?
I don't know, probably like black, gray, navy.
That's fine.
I don't know if I understand it's fine, like, correctly,
but I'm thinking of, like, these, like, really colorful.
Gray.
Yeah.
Black.
You actually picked it.
Coffee is a bit brown.
coffee. Violets. There's no colorism in Tideye, okay? Purple? That's pretty good. Okay, we
got cool light colors in Cherry and Peach. Fine. So we're going red and blue. Is there
no yellow? No, no, they took that. No, there were only a couple yellows and they took them.
What? We got some orange. We got slightly seven colors. It's some greens, they took
all those too. Because that's what I'm thinking. Tideye is very colorful usually. Yes. So we're
little bit limited on their options. Now I will say the box has got a fantastic
things written on them and you can easily like have let's zoom in like you
can see what you could do and how you're supposed to fold the shirt for
certain type of results. All those stuff I'm gonna be honest. Okay well how about
Oh there we go the bought the bullseye that's the classic there we go. But how do you want to make a bullseye with these colors that's gonna be really good. It doesn't matter it's about it's about sticking it to the man and
I'm doing what you want to me.
Wait, wait, wait, there's another side to it!
Stop, no, come back!
Who's the man in the sense?
Come back!
Uh, white t-shirts.
Okay.
You can also do this, purge.
Let me see.
Uh, no me gusta.
What about the donut?
Ugly.
The donut?
The donut's are kind of okay.
Yeah.
I don't know you're fluent in Spanish, purge.
I'm not fluent, but I can speak a little.
Yo quiero tomar mi camiseta y comelo.
I'll leave the box here for you, mate.
I said I'm gonna take my t-shirt and eat it.
Oh, guys.
We also got obviously elastic bands.
I'm impressed.
Okay, can I give you guys some pro tips?
Yes, please give me pro tips.
We need to...
Why do you know so much about tie-dye?
Was it already quite after?
Cheever, I know a little bit of things about everything.
And I'm confident about this cheek, as if I know.
Do you want us to do it in Spanish?
No, definitely not.
Explain it to us in Spanish.
I do not know how to say twist in Spanish, so I'm gonna move on.
You can go into the English words.
Okay, great. I'll throw in some English words.
So what you're going to do is you're going to take it and you're going to twist it as tightly as possible
because the tighter that you get it, it's going to allow it to be more of a fractal pattern.
So I'm going to try to twist it like super, super tight.
What do you want me to go for?
I'm not following the rules. I'm winning it. Like I do everything in my life.
That's crazy.
Yep. So you can start from a central point if you want because then it'll spiral out from this center
or you could start from here. You could have the spiral go this way.
Just simply imagine which way the spiral will go. And then when you die it,
It's going to be twisted up so you can kind of like die different sections.
You could do like lines on separate things.
I have a question.
Go wild with it, but twist it very tight.
If you're an expert on tie-dye shirts.
I'm not an expert.
Yeah, you are.
Here I am, but I think that he's like a character.
He's definitely an expert.
More expert than us.
Yeah, yeah.
Of course, you're the expert here, my friend, please.
What do you recommend we do with the colors considering purple, violet, blue, and navy are almost...
Where I think you know, you know color compositions are bad than me.
You spread them out, you put like a lighter color on the inside, like in between them to provide contrast.
Peach is light. We only have one light.
We got cherry and peach, so we'll just do like a dark color, do peach, and then do dark color and do cherry, and then you could alternate them, you go through all of them. Who cares?
Press yourself. But twist it tight. That's not tight enough.
That's not tight enough?
That's not tight enough.
It looks like an ice cream cone on top though. I would eat that.
of the box and anybody I have you like I'm very close I'm very close look at the box and the
inspiration of the ties and tie it one of the but one of the inspiration but it looks like
they're like giga trying no not at all this is just a way of folding it look maybe that
middle one looks this one looks easy I can do this which one I mean I think that what the
heck that was bar looking you guys three I mean this one is easy is it this one you just
That's what I tried to do.
But I failed horrendously.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to do.
We got to twist it tighter.
Number one, get some freaking rubber bands.
I'm not gonna twist it.
I think you will if this one's surely even a little bit.
This looks like an accordion.
I did on all four, except for that one.
There's nobody's gonna do that.
So I did three.
All right, before we twist, it also doesn't even look that cool.
Guys, take some rubber bands.
OK, OK, OK.
There's no point twisting if you don't got the bands.
I'm just getting rubber bands.
This T-shirt was free.
Abe's got plenty of bands, although it's turned into a T-shirt.
There's no price in the price, so I'm gonna assume it was.
Rax on Rax.
Alright, I don't know if these are, I don't genuinely don't think these are the right.
The drops has begun.
Oh, can I say something about last game?
Yes, please.
Just since we didn't do a post game, I think, quick notes, uh, you did do a post game?
Yeah, did she listen?
No, I did not.
I thought you guys were talking about good admitmen here, so.
We did.
We're talking about me.
Anyways, go ahead.
Nevermind, all good.
Nothing to say.
We have a dorks here and a shadow fiend, Kevin.
What do you think about that?
No!
What did you want to say about the previous game?
Come on, Satan!
They bullied me, I don't want to say it anymore.
I didn't believe you.
The Americans just bullied me.
No! The Americans just bullied me.
I'm not like the other Americans.
You bullied me the other day. I'm allowed to hit back once in a while.
That's fair.
Yeah?
No, I just wanted to say no one played very well and you'll probably be able to not snob.
And I think Farrie did a lot of nice preemptive moves towards the mid lane.
Yeah.
Not let him snowball.
Well, we are going to have very different games considering Lore goes out.
We do have already, we're like five picks in.
We got ourselves the Darkseer, once again on the side of OG Batrider, by the way, also got First Face Batrider.
We got Shadowfiend Jakiro Slardar, coming out from Paravision.
I feel like I haven't seen Slardar in a little while, but just me. Did I miss it?
Yeah, it's kind of peeking in occasionally. I like it with the Shadowfiends, it's two sets of Minus Armor, which is really good.
But I actually do like Darkseer, but it's a response to Shadowfiend, because you kind of just push out the lane.
And Shadowfiend doesn't get to wield his Minus Armor or against you, because you're not really there very much.
So I've seen some other teams use it decently well as the solution against that hero.
I don't like these rubber bands. I feel like they're grief enough with these rubber bands.
These rubber bands are for like, kind big rolls of paper together.
You need these like, little, really small rubber bands.
Do we have enough rubber bands?
They almost look like braces rubber bands, I feel like.
Yeah, yeah, this is like, way too big.
Well, if we lose...
This is what the morning shift is about.
Blame the rubber bands?
What?
The morning shift used these to be fair.
So I'm just gonna like, go crazy rubber banding this.
In fact, dude, we should help each other.
That's nothing.
That sounds like it's terrible.
Quinn, if you already made a t-shirt...
I'm just messing around.
Okay, because there is a...
Why do we always have a secret agent ruining our challenges?
That's because...
I'm not ruining anything. What have I done?
Yesterday Jenkins was hiding puzzle pieces in his pockets.
No, that was Ted.
Jenkins was on our team!
He was hiding!
That's what I'm saying!
I don't know why we should do that.
Why does this pick an Asian to have a poor?
I need the box. Can I have the box as well?
I need to choose what kind of pattern I'm going for.
How did they get shouted even this late in the draft?
That's crazy.
It's because it wasn't banned by a party visual.
Ah, okay.
I mean, I think...
I like OG's heroes better this game.
They're less all-in, it's more rounded.
Darkster is one of the best counters to Shadowfiend.
Because you're scaling is illusion super good and you also have this like crazy kill threat in lane
So the whole like the whole game I stuff that's the play really careful
Um, and on top of that, I think shoutyman is really nice against slaughter and jacarral
It's a lot of stuff to purge jarra can go ham. You have nice mix of damage and control
And we have a tough time
Thinking about the t-shirt and also thinking about the draft these guys are just tying up shirts
What happened to your rubber bands, dude?
I don't know. I'm like pretending to do stuff for long enough that nobody notices that I'm actually not accomplishing very much here.
And they'll come and help you later?
Yes, they'll help.
Did you ever do that on Team Liquid?
He's just timing.
No.
You're tying it like it's napkin.
Oh, I can't... I don't know what I'm doing, Shiver, alright?
Do it something that the box did.
Yeah, but it doesn't work when I do it.
As long as you twist it tight enough.
You know what I was thinking of when Kevin brought up SF and Stardar being minus armor
heroes and minus armor is good together.
You think on broadcast that is like the one thing that's been said the most throughout
the past 20 years?
I think the stuns.
I think something about stuns probably said more.
You think so?
They're lacking stuns, they're lacking damage, they're lacking team fight, something along
those lines.
I just feel like, oh that's double minus armor, I feel like I've heard this since the dawn
of time.
relevant though it is it is it's not a bad point I'm just saying it's like you're
gonna stack the minus armor to get them closer to zero because then it does way
more damage that is true mechanically important because people don't understand
the charts well enough I have to keep reminding people thank you guys very
important all yeah when the arm is closer to zero the minus armor does more
and when they have 40 armor that's a fact shit okay so then what's been said
the least on panels like what's the most useful info that hasn't been spread
spread the info in you have a lot to do so share your yeah share the juice say what
concept of the concept I feel like we talk about map control and the
importance of it but it's very rare that we actually explain what that means and
like how it takes place in like a very simple manner so the people that are
like more of a mark and truly understand I would agree with that I think that is
like it's gonna be the topic of this year for panelists to reveal to the
general public. I'm not comfortable actually works. Okay. Now map control works. I feel
like that's difficult to actually do on panel though. It is very difficult because they
make you do weird stuff on panel like tie-dying t-shirts. Hey. Gotta get in touch with your
artistic side. I am very in touch with your- If anything, artistic side. I think sometimes-
Extra constant in there. When you're doing sacred-
Let me try to stay quick.
America's bullying me again, Schiefer.
Again?
We need to...
Europe needs stronger defenses.
You even have nuclear bombs here?
Do you even have one?
Do you guys have one?
Are you serious?
Yeah, I don't know, actually.
Which continent do you think France is in?
Yeah, I know.
I'm saying Sweden.
Oh, Sweden?
No, absolutely not.
Okay, there we go.
That's why.
Well, you don't have any either.
What are you talking about?
We have them.
Are they in your place?
No, we definitely have them.
We have that.
We have yours.
You don't have all of our bonds.
I guarantee you.
We have a lot of them in rural places, like North Dakota and stuff.
Like guaranteed.
Well, we have a lot of them as well.
I know you do.
You mean we store them in your place?
Yeah, but when?
What?
Sorry, made quick sense to me.
All right.
Let's take a look at the draft.
We got two more picks coming.
You felt like you had all of our bombs.
We got two more picks coming.
It looks like we are lacking mid laner on one side.
And to be honest, mid laner on the other side as well, unless there is some flex potential Cottle coming out.
Oh wait, you got it. We're going to see Slardar mid. He's back.
They picked Cottle. We saw Cottle a couple of times yesterday as well.
I don't know how you feel about it. I feel like it's quite a challenge for Yobaj to pick one of his heroes into Slardar.
I think for a lot of other mid laner matchups, you wouldn't really want to like speak a slaughter like this because you're scared of getting counterpicked hard
But your pledge is like not that guy and I think that gives the one a lot of freedom and he gives probably a lot of freedom to set up the draft
the way they want to
This is actually okay though. I think it's not that it's like beast is good against slaughter
It's not like Geekka. The slaughter takes the
That's where it gets less slow so you can speed up and kill the boars
Like that's so much of the landing as Beastmaster is like lulling his boars into a false sense of security
He's hitting you he's hitting you and then suddenly you drop on the boards
And you kill them because they give you like a million gold next to each. Yep, so it's like this. Oh, it's fine
Just keep blasting in the creeps. I got your boars
That's like every Beastmaster lands this stupid mini game and trying to make the guy fall asleep. Yeah
I have a cauldron they don't have really nice ways to clear ancient stocks
So it's gonna be like a team effort to take care of ancient in the party
I feel like in my mind this game comes down a lot to how the SF game goes and how well
OG are able to like make the game happen around Darkseer and the Iron Shells and enabling
like that whole part of the map and trying to like maybe use the gyro to go through the
gate and things should happen like on the party vision same thing and if they're able
to respond to that nicely or not.
Yeah, I mean they're definitely weaker, like game Caudal is like famous for being just a complete bot before level 6, so there's definitely a period of time where it's not that easy for them to respond with heroes that would typically respond, like you need like Mars 6 or starter to have some amount of game or things like this, so there's like, there's a window for where OG can exploit them for sure.
Yep.
Which draft do you like better?
How do you make it so that it stays twisted?
It's hard to step right to Q from the draft, but I think Paribasian's better and I think Paribasian's really good against OG.
Because I think Paribasian's super good at dodging and stalling, and I think Satanic also will just always out-carry them if they don't snowball.
Yep, I agree.
So I think Paribasian, even though I don't even know what my draft is better. I have a hard time disconnecting.
Don't zoom in on this!
Every time I try this!
Wait, yours is worse than mine!
Zoom in on Aiden's.
Look, mine is super tight.
But if I tie this, it will just unravel, so I don't know...
What do you mean if you just so if I if I have it all twisted up, right?
And if I tie it over here, it will just unravel. So how do I keep it?
Way more
You need another one like right here and the another one here and then another one here
You just need more of the rubber bands as we have to go into the game
Let's go. We'll figure it out as we go, but we'll also figure out how it's dead kids gonna go
Great song by the way Shannon and it is called
I recognize that one.
That is Waterloo by ABBA. Now I didn't mention last game. Coincidentally, I didn't mention it because I recognized it, but I couldn't name it.
The one they played before last game. That's the one time I didn't bring it up because I didn't know it myself.
And you didn't bring it up either, so I guess alright, we get a pass on that one.
Great intro. Thank you so much.
Why don't you just take over.
That's right. Thank you, Band.
Everybody
Well, we're trying against OG, OG versus PogChampVision. Yep, go ahead. Yep, that's it, so I got...
Okay, thank you, Cinderan, for taking over. Thank you so much.
As OG, looking to... Fuck, I'm talking about Apple. Alright, go ahead.
Oh gee, looking to equalize the series here as they uh, they got a bit stomped in that
game too.
It did last a decent amount of time but it was a satanic show to say the least.
He was playing a gyrocopter in that scene and he's like, you know what, that looks fun.
Let me see if I can replicate that magic, my friend.
Yeah, it's one of those, oh you can do it, I can do it better, but it's like you can't
do it better. He took the secondary strikes fast. It's a different approach. It's also
a very different lane matchup and a different game in general. I kind of like the secondary
strikes with Darkseer. You're going to vacuum people into call-down. It's a very nasty
game combo if you do land it. Generally speaking, when heroes get vacuumed, they're going to
be running in one direction away, and if you place the call-down correctly, you will maybe
hit twice as people get out of back. And that damage will be no joke. OG is sticking to their
guns with the darks here, just very confident. Even though it didn't work last game, they're
still willing to overall first pick it into Shadow Fiend, a hero that, as we established
yesterday, I think is the best carry of the patch. So brave to give that to St. Tannick
when he's clearly warmed up.
Yeah, and between him and no one on the slaughter that is a lot of minus physical armor.
Yep.
And what can you do to combat that?
Well, I'll tell you, Scam could have picked chain meal to counteract it.
But he didn't.
He's not eating chain meals today.
Yep.
I wonder how good that needs to get before people would take it.
I don't know.
Like if you got refunded part of the chain meals cost when you ate it, like 20%.
defeat the purpose
why just have to get more armor
yeah i mean clearly are not getting enough as it is
how much are you getting
the full amount
always it's a little more than that you're getting a little
you're eating a chainmail and getting four armor
and it's not worth it
uh...
this i think so
i can't say i'm a specialist i've never picked it but i don't know if i like that
play by play and i'll just check and get that's right that's how we do
we couldn't do it the other way around you'll have to check for me
very good. Yes I was thinking... How much armor does chainmail give? Isn't it 5?
It gives 4. I got nerfed at one point. It used to be. Yeah so it is 4. Good job.
So the panel was talking about mid lane. I feel like this mid lane is going to be
relatively uninteresting for the most part. They're going to trade farm. I think
if Yopash plays it well he should get out slightly ahead. Like Quinn talked
about you can kill the boars in the river with sprint but it's a skill issue
issue kind of thing. If Beastmaster plays this flawlessly, he should never lose a bore
in theory, but these are human players so something can happen.
The thing I'm mostly interested in in this game is how is 9-class gonna do something
silly because that's what he seems to do. Last game he played IO Jungle level 3. Is
he gonna do the same with Caudle? Because this hero can do the exact same thing, but
he's still Blinding Light level 1 and that makes his jungling a lot worse.
It does.
You want to jungle this here, you jungle this here.
I'm pretty sure he'll get the max speed to get to that point though.
I mean the hero forms a lot faster than Io though, that's for sure.
Oh TP's galore!
Double TP, okay.
They need to get something out of this. Blood grenade from 9 class onto Yopage, gets to the high ground, gets pushed down to the low ground.
Now Noah's like, why'd you do that? Just taking axe to the face, but he gets the crush.
Couple more right clicks, will suffice, and no one is gifted the first blood.
Oh, that's a funny trade-off. He summons the boar to deny the water rune, but now the boar dies,
so they get a little bit the other way.
But yeah, the rune would deny it well worth giving a boar away for.
Now the other rune is not available either.
So no one is going to be pretty starved for resources here.
Might have to go back to base as Tim's is coming in to put some pressure,
but there will be a bounty rune up north.
What an unusual gank.
It's a good caudal to Kuro mid-minute 4.
Can't say I've seen that in the final line.
That's quite a special one. It was a nice
blinding light from 9-class finding the angle there, though.
And yeah, now the stacking begins
a decent amount of experience with this myself.
Caudal on the off lane as the position 4
is really interesting this patch because you have two stacking options.
You can either stack the triangle, both camps,
camps or you can stack the right side if you're dire you can stack the two on the left side of your
radiant. Stacking the dire right side is a lot easier than stacking the radiant left side because
of the leash duration on the camps and where they're stacking in the in the spawn box. So with
one point in the lumenet you will be able to basically pick where he wants to stack. It makes
it a lot harder to block off caudal as well like if you block the triangle he just goes to the other
side. But of course you prefer to do the ancients. No question.
They have quite a good stacking team, have to say. Both supports. Shadow Demon on the
other side. Bors. How much are they going to take to make use of all of these?
Yopash. Looks like it will be the Agh-M's Beastmaster, no big surprise for that mid lane.
It is a deceptively difficult Beastmaster game though, and what you talked about where, if you have really overwhelming physical damage,
Beastmaster can't really play to the strength of the acts of survivability.
If you get corrosive haste and shadowfiend hits you three times, you'll probably die later in the game.
skim with this matchup used to be so insanely lopsided and clocks favor it's
so much better enough to cure than it used to be after you got double attacks
you can destroy the cog in one hit but still but can you attack under battery
salt yeah easily but what you can't do evidently there is it's pretty hard to
cast dual breath sometimes used to not be able to attack under battery salt as
as jikiro are you sure
every single one of his animations were horrific of course i don't know
for you
i'm not saying you're wrong i just i don't particularly remember the attack
animation i remember the cast speech being so bad that you couldn't
that's for sure
everything about jikiro was clunky and only now slightly clunky clunkly
nice lago impression there he's banned unfortunately for you this game so you
chose the one game we're not casting lago to make licking noises
A lot of these heroes have tongues.
Withdrawal symptoms, you know.
Seven minutes without Largo.
You already missed him.
It's a fun hero.
I have to say, I was not excited to cast Kha'Z for the first time, but I was for Largo.
I do hope that Largo gets away from this pigeonhole, only offlane with Ag's Kaio-Sanche.
I feel like that's a bit uninteresting for me personally.
I think it's fun to watch the hero when he goes different builds, plays support.
But in this tournament, for the most part, at least all our games have been offlane.
and he goes like the same items every single time. Always X, always Kaia.
And then it's a matter of do you go Kaia Sanjins, BKB or Kaia Sanjins to Lincoln Slay?
I think only a support player would say, man, he's more interesting as a support.
No, he's interesting when he can do more than when he gets used in multiple ways.
I'm sure you would agree with that.
I do agree with that.
He doesn't have to be support.
I want to see the right click carry. Let's get a facet.
Yeah, I mean, by all means.
The facet is the tongue. The lick is an auto-attacks syndrome.
well i thought it's possibly that he could throw his guitar
uh... that's cool too that's
i'd rather the tongue though
and for a little while it's the best place to go out of this
yep he just walks to find out
farm's right out
nice to use three cc's for him
almost doubling his farm there
pressure does not amount to much for quiet early game
it's quite a few levels though
that's what the smoke with no one yeah he's not by the shadow boys already
half-out of the scamp now gets dual-breathed, places the cogs but satanic
is there to finish the job as SSS, puts down his arena, spear set up, Tim's goes
bye-bye, both supports for OG, back to base.
No posh is here but what are you gonna do? Oh if they find this roar that could be nice.
No posh, roar! Do they have the damage? All three cores up, nice ice path though,
satanic is not gonna get anything meaningful off so it will be a trade.
I asked his requim there, maybe.
Just maybe.
There you go.
Spear's gonna be avoided, but the rebuke is more than enough, so in the end, it's a 1 for 3 in a favorite paravision.
If he could've- I would like a replay of that. If he could've got a requim off, that could've been insane.
There were like two or three heroes stacked next to him.
He- I think he started the animation, and then he switched over to a raise.
So I don't know if he got cancelled, or if he was anticipating one more stun.
Maybe they point blank vacuumed him, and I just didn't notice, in which case it makes sense, but...
Yeah.
Requim there would have been crazy.
Still, our vision overall getting the slightly better exchange out of all of this, and that's good news when you're running Caudal.
Like Quinn talked about, this hero is not very good in lane.
He pays it back big time once he hits level 6 though, if you play around it correctly.
You're seeing 9 Cluster and the exact stacking I was talking about as we see the replay here.
So let's keep an eye on Satanic here.
So Roar and Icepath.
And he moved to...
He cancelled himself.
But there was also a vacuum. I guess that's what he recognized with that Nikola's.
Right.
So, not gonna happen.
Okay.
Yeah, a nice triple stack on the right hand side currently.
courtesy of 9-class with the...
point blank illuminate on the close cam.
And then it reaches the other one you do that at like 55.
Stack them both. So, nose is stuffed.
9-class.
And he'll get out of this one.
He's fine.
That is a fast horse.
It's an old man, but the horse is young.
In its prime. Yep. It is a camel in this set. That's true
But if it were a horse, what's the name of Gandalf's horse shans a little bit of trivia?
I don't know. It's called shadow facts. Oh, I did know that. Yep
Well, how fast to say after somebody tells you then you do indeed know I knew it. Yep. How fast is a camel?
Slower than a horse. Well, I think I would imagine how fast is an ostrich? I'm gonna go
Why doesn't Caudal have an ostrich?
That's true ostriches are fearsome too. They are fast and they're big.
You don't want to mess with them. And knowing Caudal, he would love that because he loves everything.
This is how you know that our casts have really
gotten bad over time.
I'm chat you be teaming something in the middle of the game, and we're gonna talk about what the
That's not about that's not the cast ball. That's a huge thing. How fast is a camel versus a horse?
I'll let you know.
A Camel top speed is 40 miles per hour.
Wow.
That's pretty fast.
Horse is 55 though.
That's a lot faster than I thought.
It's a smoke for paravision.
Just in time, they are riveted by this knowledge they have gained.
Crush onto Scamp is shown now with that Amplify damage.
Icepath finds SSH, he gets off the arena, but there's a roar on top for Yopah, but no follow-up damage.
No one. It's slow to a crawl, though.
He's dead.
It's off a crush, but they should be able to finish him at least, so it's a one-for-one in favor of OG.
A spear, just to see if that works.
And that's gonna break things up.
A little bit of a trade, a favorable trade overall for OG, but it is with the asterisk
that Satanic was not involved, so he is further distancing himself from the gyro, taking advantage
of that free time, 1,000 net worth ahead.
This is not necessarily cause for concern just yet.
Seattle Fiend is oftentimes this far ahead, and what you need to do is kill him once or
twice to really stifle that progression.
easier said than done. But OG have killed in ones this game, there's more times in the last game.
That is true, that is true. I managed to get him this time.
So now his total score is what? 12-1? 16-1.
So was he 15-0? Yep, at least. Maybe he was 16-0 by the end. I don't know if he got the last
kill when they GG'd out. Death on the clinks. Tower time. Jikiro level 7. So liquid fire.
We'll go to work here with Statenac.
Also diving simultaneously here onto Tim's.
Demonic perch. Pretty good against the Slardar, but this is just going to be too much damage.
Nine class as usual. We'll take the kill.
How's his farm coming along?
What kind of items do you want to see from him in this game?
Because we know that these caudals eventually do find a couple of big ones.
Speaking of big ones, no one.
I thought his entire pursuit down there was ended, but he finds Netsumi.
Wow.
It's just ran all the way down the river and found the gyro.
That's after killing the Shadow Demon, so...
Yeah, I think Netsumi just didn't. He was like, there's no way, right?
It's the classic mind game of...
Right.
You think, alright...
It's so dumb, it's smart, right?
Yeah, exactly. It's like Sing Sing's favorite thing to complain about in Orana was,
these good players don't move, so my arrows miss.
very nice initiation, great layering onto SSS, the opage gets the kill
Tims, with the disruption onto no one who's super fast, has a shield rune as well
and get away easily
this whole, it's so bad it's a good thing, there are some examples of that in pro play that are kind of funny
like I just mentioned the Mirana with Singsing, he was always complaining when he was playing against worse players
players that they would walk in the straight lines we never hit his arrows
100% and sometimes against Pudge that's what you want to do when you're
walking away from Pudge at a high level they're always going to try to pump
thank you and guess aside yeah just keep running in the line
it's true it's the good old bell curve meme with a it's when I was very good
at counter strikes the AWP yeah if you stood still I couldn't hit you if you're
flying through the air headshot
that'd be very amazing. That sounds like a you problem
maybe a bit. Not being able to hit people standing still is generally a pretty bad quality
we can one view one anytime you'd like buddy
yeah I'll blame Ping
in my defense I have never been good at counter strike so you have everything to lose
I would not lose though. I've always been aggressively mediocre
I remember yeah, we did play once
One K lead for pair vision, so I mean feels a lot like last game and kind of things are relatively even
But you can see Satanic starting to create some distance right now has a 1300 net worth over the number two
Which is Yopaj?
Of course that ended up getting expounded over and over and over again in last game as gyro
I mean do you see this similar thing happening with?
With the shadow theme because it doesn't feel like from their lineup. It's not the same, right?
I don't have the IO. Right. It's not I don't think it's going to be to the same extent
But I think there's a very high likelihood that S of stays on top and the main thing that gives me confidence
And that is this Lord of our
Because I know you've seen these carry shadow fiends at minute 25 hour and how fast they hit you give them that minus armor
It's ridiculous. So oh, do you need to find solutions for that? I think one interesting
path they have is buying the shard and shattered even just to just against
Corus of Haze it's very good value this game you know that whoever gets jumped by
smarter will be the target of SF it also purges off all of jacquero spells it
purges off blinding light it's really really good shard here yeah could buy a
lotus on darks here if you wanted to so another angle to solve the problem he
needs the armor himself too so those two items I would love to see
9 class, he was not expecting this angle, he has crimson, there's a hook shot, but
scan gets stuck inside of the arena, Niko gets disrupted for the time being, but he's
in a lot of trouble, and satanic with that requiem will put him to his end, meanwhile
Aurora reserve for the support in dukkala, so he just walks away, and now the sphere
is going to hit Yopah, getting bounced left right and center, slow to a crawl, thanks
to 9 class and that's now a double kill for SSS and they're not done yet. No one's gonna
crush the ground. That might break things up, skim. On to the cover of the tier 2, Ducal
is still alive after all of this.
And they can keep healing him for a bit with 9 class. Oh never mind, his ulti actually did
just expire.
I never got to answer your question about Caudal what I would like to see.
Don't care.
Okay, that's fine.
Destruction into death.
Okay, go ahead, skim here now.
Okay.
Tim's being curbside.
I don't care about that though.
He get killed as well.
Four dead for OG.
Oh boy, that is...
The thing that's extra sad about this is that Beastmaster had a 100% kill on Jekiro after the roar,
but he backed off because he recognized if I kill this Jekiro, I'm gonna die,
and then he ran away and died anyway.
So, that was kind of the worst-case scenario.
You got nothing out of that. You kept bleeding kills. You lost your tower.
Pass for the caudal. Pass for Holy Locket, which is the go-to for this hero first, and then...
I mean, there's a couple of possible angles here.
He's curing up Shard, which is fine. If you don't think you're gonna get it from the Tormenter,
I would recommend not buying it until you kill the Torm, because the Caudalon is insane to get for free.
Then you can just rush X.
Which I think is very good this game.
Even though you're against Gyro, all of them are okay.
Hunkshot! Another good attempt, but it's not gonna be successful.
SSS destroys Scam.
Oh my god, and the arena onto three heroes. They panic, it's done.
Not able to get off his Requiem here, but the Crimson Guard keeping Niko and company alive.
They are on the retreat, no one with the crush, and this is not looking good for OG, they lose three.
And it was a very good attempt, but...
I mean, talk about a perfect agreement. He caught the entire enemy team that was left. All four of them were stuck in there, and...
Will drop as well.
So four dead on the attempted...
Roast steel, really.
Alright, well, Sean if he might actually create a similar distance to the last game, but it's not for the same reason.
It's because this time, OG are getting owned. Last game it was kind of even.
This time it was slightly to the left.
Look at this arena, though.
Absolute beauty from SSS.
Flawless placement.
And then all of this AoE damage coming out to get a fat illuminate through, outhealing a lot of it.
And the only guy getting out of this is Yopash with a TP.
And the Satanic has 5 stacks of lasting presence, so reducing it by an additional 5 on top
of the current 8.
The Stryer lineup just has so much chase potential.
If you ever get ahead in a fight, start out with Dagger, you've got Caudal, Solarbind,
Blink, Mars.
You've got to strike decisively when you make a move as OG, or you're not getting
back in the fight.
point the question is is it too late now you're gonna lose the tormentor now as
well did 9 plus by his chart he did so the candidates are jacquero or mars no
mars bought his as well so it's jacquero or slaughter no slaughter bought his as
well it's jacquero or shadow yeah you went to get there you know you can open
up this thing center on the screen yeah that's fun though okay let's see who
gets it it'll be funny if it's satanic yep okay all right he is gonna get that
mid-worth distance and that's another 1400 for free. So shadow rays cool down reduced by two.
Yeah he barely casts rays. This is kind of just almost worse than not having it because you just
give more gold if you die. But now if you get eggs at some point which you want on this build it
it'll be all blue.
Yeah.
It's cool.
That's great.
It looks like you've completed a full item on your HUD.
Yeah.
What is up with Feast of Souls just never being a thing?
What needs to be done for this to be
skilled at any point in the game?
They would skill it if Mask of Madness was an item.
Mask of Madness is your Feast of Souls thinking go stats.
You're using that for the attack speed, the farming speed, the lifesteal, and it feels
like redundant to have that much attack speed.
So you'd rather have the stats of your tank here and your farm safer and all that good
stuff.
But yeah, I agree.
Like considering this is the carry, this is a carry skill, and you're not skilling it
on carry as a...
Come on.
Yeah.
You know.
It's the same with Morphling with the 402 build and people not even getting Adaptive Strike,
which I personally think a lot of the times are mistakes.
It has a mini stun now, but at least we get one point.
Instant outheals, Pautle going to work.
I mean, it's mechanic.
Continuing to get healed to full HP thanks to the Illuminant, and it looks like he'll
get the tower all by his lonesome.
But now a BKB picked up for Yopash, perhaps that is what they're waiting for.
In fact, they're going to smoke and try to find an angle of initiation.
Cook shot to start, but a crush from no one, over to giving Tins to low HP as the heels continue upon the shadow fee.
Now the roar onto the start of BKB the whole time.
He's not taking any damage, the requiem to follow, and everybody runs in fear as Statenik is just right clicking into Oblivion.
No kills yet, but this is almost certainly going to be a lane in favor of Paravision.
Balance and all things shenan. SSS went from a great arena to a travesty, but it's all good though.
They're far enough ahead that he doesn't have to keep delivering this one was a one-man arena on clock
And then he missed the spear right they actually
Defend successfully it seems only a range barracks taken
It's a defense I guess
But you didn't kill anyone
This is not like you improved your position. You just didn't lose
And oh Natsumi no boy say Tanax sees him now. He's gonna run down the river
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
Talk to PSJ about this by the way.
After the last game, or he wrote to me about the whole gyro logic
when Sepcanic bought the Silver Edge last game on Gyro.
I forgot that part about the new Silver Edge.
The movement speed capping.
So when you get hit by Silver Edge for 5 seconds, your movement speed is capped to 200.
So last game, it was against Darkseer, for example, and Spiritbreaker.
Then they just can't use Surge and...
Yeah. After Heroes are useless in that case.
In this case, he's gonna buy it again without really having anything to break.
He just wants to...
I hit you, you can't escape.
It's a 5-second ridiculous slow. It gives good damage.
Pretty cool. Pretty cool.
Nice item, for sure.
And again, he's against the Darks here.
Part of the reason, for sure.
We're gonna keep sieging here without Aegis and without teammates.
Okay, he backed off.
Yo, Paz, you will die here.
I'm so sorry.
They have a bash and two hits.
Yep, he knows that he just has to try to get a kill. Make it somewhat worth it. He gets two callas.
And that... oh, almost no one as well.
That's quite a bit of damage, but obviously one of the four not a fair fight at all.
This is their first kill in ten minutes.
They killed Marsman at 14.
And they ruined the 420 as well.
Yep.
Oh, this is a bigger one though.
Wow!
Alright, I guess some revenge.
I'm thinking big for OG. They've been waiting for this for one and a half games.
For a really big ticket kill.
That's a little bit cocky.
He's so far ahead on network.
It's crazy.
Sixkane, yeah?
That's disgusting.
Oh, that's the Cinderan right there.
Slapping his desk in rage.
Uncontrolled rage some would call it. I can respect that this guy is
It reminds me of myself 20 years ago
Just uh, you're not really raging, but you're disappointing yourself so the table just gets a pat
Hmm, you need to release the anger, but you're but you're not really that angry
Control your emotions when you rage now what it's wasn't like. What's the difference?
I'm stronger now. Oh, but I still don't
Go full-on gorg. I just do I still tap it
How much of that is content though really
That's a good question
Maybe I start doing it. So how do you get all the viewers? I think so just to destroy some hardware
You could do that just make your desk out of boxes
Just have like a mallet lying next to you on the desk for when you die, and you're just really good in there
Yeah, sure. You could do it that way as well
Or a gavel, order in the court.
Order in this Dota court!
DKB for Natsumi now.
Did go the axe build.
Blink on the opa, too.
This is a pretty good timing for OG, now you've got a strike.
Like, you taste the blood against the SF, you're starting to maybe feel like this is possible.
So, gotta try to ride that momentum.
Another kill on SF would be pretty big here, Rosh can respawn now.
Let's see how long the respawn timer will be. Two and a half minutes is a very long one.
Obviously the teams do not know this since TA is not in the game.
But yeah, they will be eager to find an opportunity.
This is probably only going to get worse from here, considering the math of the Slardar ASF
in one or two additional items.
So Oji would love to get some bang for their buck on the Beastmaster right now, but nothing to be found.
Power vision have adeptly dodged any aggression here.
They've read them like a book.
I don't think you can just go and hit this tower.
Like they might do it, but, and it might work.
But theoretically, if you don't know where power vision, yeah,
you can see OG are not going to do it.
So they ran five heroes bottom into smoke, so then TP top.
They lost. That feels pretty bad.
They lost roughly one to two thousand net worth by doing that.
Yeah, their smoke was a net loss by far.
That is really not that great.
Now they will show in the mid lane, at least Natsumi will, and are they going to go for
another smoke play?
Yes.
Okay, attempt number two.
They can see how much they want to capitalize on these item timings.
It's fun to watch the minimap.
Now they're smoking, they're like, they weren't bottom, let's go top, and now parvish them.
They're literally just running in circles for nothing.
See the pinging here, Tim's is drawing the line, and Satanic is drawing whatever that
is.
purge is about to do with a shirt.
Tying it up very nicely into itself.
Not to be mistaken for demonic purge, of course.
That's how he gets it if he doesn't win the competition.
Better off letting him win by default.
I think we should get some nice fan art of people doing
their interpretation of what demonic purge is like.
I think when Slax told him what his hotkeys were,
I think that was the monochrome.
True.
Alright, well that second smoke turned into basically nothing.
So, if tradition is anything to go by here or experience,
now soon we should TP bottom soon.
Because now they've smoked top and not found anything,
and now he has to farm down there.
50-50.
It is getting pushed in bottom, obviously.
They don't have their barracks, so they're going to have to defend.
He's going to run though.
saving his pp so he can connect on the top outpost
yeah og are looking very timid
agonim setter for the dark seer by the way so secondary illusion of sf is very nice
lyrical would be proud
do you get the facet uh... minus i guess you do right
the illusion has the uh...
has presence of the dark lord
and i assume the facet
is connected
So you mean they accept number of souls that it has?
Yeah.
I think so?
That's a good question.
Like when he gets that minus armor, additional.
Oh, if he has the...
If he makes the illusion when he already has that minus armor, it should, I think, work.
I took a question.
If it has the additional lasting presence stacks.
Don't know though.
Now a smoke, this time by paravision.
Nope.
Oh gee, dodging that.
Roche is seen. They know that they have to defend that bot lane at some point.
But Yoko, this would be a really good play. Very savvy play from OG.
What?
It would be, but they didn't look at the clock.
Oh no. Oh no.
Even if you had pretty savvy play, they all had six rapiers, so they could have killed him in time.
Or they just have stunlocks.
Or that.
Yeah, Roshnell running very quickly away from OG.
Scam has Invis and...
He is seen and he is dead.
There's a gem on no one when he was sitting on the high grounds.
Man, that's unlucky.
You lose Roshnell.
That's unlucky.
He does have buyback.
Obviously the hookshot is something that you'd probably want for any kind of stealing Roshnell.
Ages, but...
English.
Remains to be seen whether this occurs.
actually hesitating a little bit here. They didn't need to but they obviously
don't know that Yopash is uninterested but they'll leave Satanic in the pit.
You will finish the job, time to backpack that Falcon Blade, pick up a nice little
snack. So rush banner and Aegis in pair of visions.
Yeah, arsenal again. I think you just each top
It's pretty straightforward, right? You put the s of in front you protect him with the coddle coddle has mech pipe lock it
And to Kira has drums and your mark way of cancels the TP opage
does have roar but
Oh, you can get away from satanic cute little little round Losey sees in a little bit against the blink going through the gate
Looks like he's fine.
Yeah, nicely played.
Of course he's not... Other than gaining his life back, he's not going to be getting too much out of it.
He'll lose the Torm.
No one?
What?
As the nightfall and his arsenal as well is fine.
Yeah, Scam had to hookshot there, I guess, to not die, so...
Opens up the TP out.
Well, now soon he has a Daedalus. He's going to start to hurt now.
And there's the doctor in the house that OG have seen in the river.
It's going to be the final shard now though on the dire.
Jakiro will get the shard. I promise you, I've seen the future.
Unless Scam Rocket flares it.
That's true, that was the one way they could lose it.
close to the callus they have a smoke in hand if they wanted to but want to maybe
just again might just barrel down top lane but as you pointed out it's not
completely it's not completely safe you can get caught in a vacuum cogs combo
with black cannon with Daedalus oh do you have good damage if they find the
right initiation angle but you have to you have to strike decisively if you's
Like if you poke and prod you're never piercing through coddles item build you need to
Hard commit to kill someone and that is what's happening right now
Start onto to call us back wall onto to including safe Tannock force that's the way
He's he has a second life to work with he's gonna try to take out these illusions to start things out SSS gets off his arena as well
Only finding one but it is Nico gets disrupted for the time being
That's the tank in his flank with his food right now.
The BKB will be able to take out the slaughter easily and that's the tank loses life number one
That's the dream fight
That's filming oh gets the normal punch not anymore. Canik though is just gonna destroy everybody in his vicinity
Double the shadow fiend
It was him
That's like a reverse fear weird. It was so good until it wasn't man
I had a lot of hope for OG in that with the Aegis respawn. I really thought they had what it took, but
instantly pikes away the gyro who they needed to kill SF. He solos him with the four attacks from range.
You're gonna see the replayers. Keep an eye on...
So first of all, this arena doesn't really do all that much. Clutch disruption from Tim's on the crush and look at Yopash's damage output.
He's soloing this Slardar.
Disseminate, I guess, helping out a bit. The wall illusion will kill him once.
That guy.
Yep, this is his reaction during that death.
And then this is how he responds.
And there's that.
This is a smashy gyro from range.
Man.
And it's D.
Did he use Feast of Souls there?
I think so.
He does have four points in it now.
Yeah.
Well, a glimmer of hope there for OG.
Shut on them again.
It's not all that bad.
I mean, you're traded evenly, essentially.
You haven't lost buildings.
You did those buildings and the gold leaf didn't grow, so you're staying in this 14k neighborhood, which is of course not great, but
your lineup is showing some promise. Beastmaster can solo a core with dissemination.
And if they find a better vacuum wall than that, there was a two-hero back wall on Jekiro Esa.
If you could somehow find the caudal first, that would be really big, or if you could get two cores in the wall
into some sort of combo with clockwork and a call-down.
It's not outside of the realm of possibility to win a fight, but you're definitely still
clearly on the back foot.
What do you think the win expectancy is?
Uh, 82-18.
What's that?
89-11.
I don't feel like this is a nine-in-one game personally.
I don't... I don't think it's THAT bad for OG. They're definitely well behind, so...
I would have guessed something in your neighborhood that's bad.
There's definitely an avenue here.
It's... I think she...
You know, hardcore right-click with Shadowfiend is always super scary late-game,
but there is a...
a little bit of an X-Factor here with a wall, and this secondary punch from Darkseer...
could make a big difference.
Oh boy, oh Satanic Doctor, it just shot up right in front of me.
Doctor Satanic.
He's on the way.
I guess we can find anything though.
Terror vision.
Smoking.
Oh, hello Scam.
Scam will be killed by Scam.
Yeah, oh my god.
Corrosive Haze and a Shadow Demon.
Shadow Demon has 1,100 damage right now, by the way.
God, that was 1 attack.
1,100 damage. That was not a crit, I think.
No, I don't think so.
That's thickening.
Pretty nice. Good damage.
Yep, now he has that extra negative one armor on lasting presence for this fight.
True. Gets an additional soul for this necromastry.
Again, the fact that it lasts 60 seconds just absurd.
You know that the necromancery thing is uncapped, right?
You can technically get to...
I saw a clip of somebody...
You mean with the facet?
Yeah, I saw a clip of someone in demo mode.
Oh no, that's just his innate.
The necromancery is what gives you an extra soul whenever you...
No, you're right.
That is lasting presence.
You need that to uncap it basically.
But I think I saw someone demo mode necromancery up to a thousand, and then when you cast Requiem,
lags so hard and it looks like a tactical nuke, because all of the souls, like the way they come out...
Nucleo launched.
It looks insane.
If he gets there, this game actually might be a draw, because the server would crash.
That's a good way to go.
You've got to be careful to not get too many souls on SF.
So OG needs to feed a little bit more is what you're saying.
Yeah, he needs to give them another 900 kills without losing, and then we're...
They need to bait him to ulti.
It's possible.
And why would he do that when he hits for 900 damage?
Yeah, that's true.
Or while at that point he would be hitting for way more
What a hero
I'm glad he's back
It's fun to watch fun to watch people get one shot
Yeah, you miss old PA. He missed old flight of fist
You love that not slightly fist if you like one shot. Yeah, it's not technically one shots
But Kez is Kez is your man for
for dumbass assassinations that nobody likes.
Yeah, but you never understand what's happening with Kez, so...
I missed the five battle fury PA that you couldn't see physically the model of.
That's the day. All you see are crits.
Yeah.
Paravision with the full team smoke now.
Hanging towards the south.
Nullifier on no one is a big deal.
Tim's is gonna show himself.
He's gonna die.
He's gonna take a full revenge, actually.
Yeah, blink TP, is he gonna get this?
I actually think SSS had time to spear, but he was maybe anticipating a little bit of a dodge play from ST.
Yeah, when you run straight, send her in.
That's right, if you don't want to get spear, just stand still.
Come on, guys, wrap it up!
Fair vision, get your shit together here.
Production getting bored.
Ok, this is honestly the high ground defense for OG. I can see it. You've got double roar now, you've got vac wall. It's an annoying lineup to push into.
Extra illusions from Shadow Demon who will be making them out of Shadow Fiend, not Gyro.
Well, maybe OG are going to wrap it up. Let's see if this move is going to be successful.
accessible scam. Yeah, they sell that is Miss Krux, but they do get the roar out to
Statenik. He's already super low. Spears gonna buy a little bit of time with the
rebukes as well, but no Statenik does fall. No one looks like he's gonna drop
it as well. So Yopaj the only one to fall for OG so far. And that's to me.
Because BKB has ended, cannot pursue any further it seems. A great assassination
from OG. A two for one, all four is dead. 80 seconds with the man advantage here
and it's the two big ones who are dead.
There's no damage on par vision right now.
I think you could take a lane of racks if you dare to,
but you don't know about the Vivek status, but...
That was about as good as it's gonna get.
You got the Vac Wall, you got the punch,
so you had two SF illusions,
and you chanced on him until death.
He used Satanic, but couldn't hit.
If Satanic gets to attack twice there,
they smash that fight.
Look at this replay, how clean this is.
In spite of completely missing the hook shot,
Back wall into punch, chain stun, now this stun is gonna end, they're putting all their
heals into him, then another stun.
And there, dies to the illusions of the darks here.
Once the SF is down, in the middle of that mess, you better run out.
So a nice swing from Ochi.
Ah, Satanic not used to this feeling of being dead.
Yeah, he looks bored already.
Of course, that generation, he can just tab out and watch a couple tech talks, entertain himself.
SSS just died, apparently.
Not sure how that happened, but...
So, all three cores dead, currently.
But, of course, two about to respawn.
Must have been uneventful, though, because Satanic scratching his neck was, of course, more relevant.
So, it's all good.
So, they get all these kills, they get the tier one bot.
SK lead only for paravision. It was 17-ish.
That's...
This is starting to look so much healthier than it did a moment ago.
That is a... we're up to 75-25 now off that one play.
Oh, now this would be huge.
And this is even bigger, and they're gonna get it, I think.
Mars, not out.
It's the proximity of this.
Yeah, they got it. They got it.
Oh, boy.
That's Aegis, Refresher, Shard, all the goodies for OG.
This feels more like a 50-50 to me now, to be honest.
That was the killing blow for Parry getting that Roche.
that should have ended the game. And now, if you're choosing not to fight and waiting
these stages out, you're giving five minutes of harm over to this tricorps of OG that have
shown that they have the damage it takes. So, you get, like imagine that Sumi gets,
God forbid, a rape here on this guy. We've had some incidents with this in the past,
but I would like it. As the butterfly now, what's it going to be? Let's have a look at that quick
by gyro what is coming up he's thinking about it he is fully loaded now is there
some interesting disassembling strategy here data listen to rapier doesn't sound
great he disassembled butterfly into swift blink yeah maybe just get rapier
I think there's no reason to get rid of the butterfly.
No, it's good.
There's no MKB.
It is.
I did not think OG were going to recover this to this position, but here we are.
OG finds a way, that's why I picked them to be top 3s in the race.
That's right.
Gyro level 24, he's going to close in on that nice flak cannon upgrade.
Or unless he wants the cooldown, I don't think so.
The 20 second cooldown on that when you have secondary strikes is kind of nasty, but
Let's see
Is high ground on the cards or not?
Very timid, but they aren't smoked if they go for some sort of a deep jump these fast ass were fresher, so
Shadowfiend has Lincolns if they can pop that first
That he had it last fight and they did do that
So if they just get another clean jump and they double roar him, he will die
You have to worry about their base and they put the Roche banner down
Which is not in range actually is the creeps end up dying. There's the spear into the barracks
This is going to be life number one easily
And now the Mars arena separating from the rest of his team
Although on the state panic, there's the BKB on the gyro copter. You'll find jumps. They get through number one on the state
Here's a big back wall as well.
Oh my!
Much damage, Satanic gets destroyed.
Do callus looks to be next on the list.
Can they get away with their lives though?
Yopage will not be able to.
Niko now completely at a mana as Natsumi.
Just breaking the server with all these attacks inside the cogs.
SSS dies again.
Has his buyback at the ready.
Natsumi.
Normal fight right now.
Buy no one.
Gonna apply some pressure as Satanic buys back.
He's gonna be getting all the pressure on the hitter.
He's at half-map key already.
Niko trying to get that illusion out of Natsumi.
Do all these right click damage with that flak in and as well, but there's the requiem giving the time for Stanktanic to right click onto the high ground.
I'm dying!
Super low HP! He does die a second time, that Sumi follows Suto, but instant buybacks for OG.
They want to finish this game right here, right now.
This is a 5 versus 3.
Buys the boost to travel, wants to get as close as they can.
That bottom lane is continuing to push though, you have to...
You have to keep that in your mind's eye.
I mean, if you don't have travels on the dire, that wave is never going to be a problem,
and they don't have any travels, so they can't force them back with a counter push.
This is going to be part of vision scrambling inside of their base to defend this 4v5
without their big shadow fiend.
80 seconds is what they have to buy.
I don't think they can ever kill Gyro without him.
They're buying all the items they can't blade mail halberd things you will never see in a regular game
There's the halberd into a crush
There's the punch from Nico on to no one able to sprint away is that to me focusing on the parents
He's already low the bars arena. There's a beautiful disruption just the time to dodge as
SSS with the BKB trying to get away actually trying to go on top of that sumi now
He gets crushed though no one playing all the pressure that he can with the right clicks
It's gonna be close! He does get taken out!
Two minutes on the deck for the Gyrocopter!
Is there any way for OG to capitalize on this at all?
Niko, BKB. Nope.
Gets the punch, but the instant blink away.
They cannot finish this game as Tens
will pathetically die in the base.
Wow, they didn't even take it to your 4.
They got nothing.
They got nothing, yeah.
They got a bi-bay out of Caudal, congratulations.
Wow, I... I don't know how many times in this game I feel like the other team has already won, but I'm just not going to...
Not going to predict anything.
And now 9 class is like, God damn it, I bought a Halbert now.
You can sell it again. I mean, it came in...
It was good there.
Is the bit useful at least?
Well, actually it wasn't, because the Halbert and then he instantly got crushed.
He didn't actually get the... the disnar.
Oh boy.
Well, the game even in terms of net worth
And the biggest thing now is buybacks, it's who kills the big guy without buyback first
You've seen satanic is more than vulnerable. What can he do himself to solve this problem? He's queuing up a
BKB
Which he was assuming will just slot in for his treads
But to be honest with you, I don't know how much he's going to...
Oh, that's going to go again!
Oh, and then he tries to right on him, he gets roared, Static gets already super low,
but he gets some space thanks to the spear from SSS.
Can he get off the requie and he gets forced up to the other side?
Right clicks, Yopaj, who's now dead for likely the rest of the game.
Oh gee!
You carry Spawny in 20 seconds, what are you doing?
They tried something weird and it backfires big time, Static double kill.
Oh no, they tried to get the element of surprise, they can't kill him without Gyro, and they weren't even gonna lose a lane.
They have Glyph to be fair.
He did, but man, the risk reward of that move. You're missing your big damaging hero.
If Paravision want to come and knock on the high ground, your heroes are spawning in 20 seconds, you've got Glyph.
They were not gonna lose anything there, I think. Maybe the tower, but it just doesn't matter.
Now, instead you lost the Beastmatter. He's down for 80 without buyback.
This is infinitely worse.
Satanic is confident knowing he can't get roared.
And he also knows they used both warps. They used refresher.
So, if you could buyback on Beast, it would be one roar.
Well, this is the second lane for television, and they're gonna go for the killing blow, which is mega's.
Tim's doesn't want that to happen. He's gonna pop the Lincoln's.
And now a low to supply to Satanic, just getting all the protection from his support.
Tier 3 down. In a second. After the fortification.
Now they have to buy time. Ironically.
Is there any way they can defend with Megas?
Oh, the crush of beautiful one from no one, but the BKB instantly from the gyro comp.
They're fighting inside of the arena. Destruction on himself, that's doing me.
Has to run back to fountain. They're going to lose the dark sphere.
has the buyback though and still with the wall but they will be facing mega creeps.
There's a hook shot as the buyback now comes from Niko gets the punch, they're bouncing left right
and center inside of the wall. They can't it with this they can't it getting the decent amount of HP
play all the right clicks now to the darksuit that is a dieback onto him and then that's
so many versus the world the world has won so paravision they get their beast master back
but they throw two cores to the grave and it feels like para vision it's I
mean their base is actually getting hit by some creeps right now if those
creeps win this game is pure cinema but don't think so those two shall die and
I say Tannock looking to finish this game tier four only one remaining not
for long ancient exposed okay last-ditch effort for OG what do you have to support
and a dream. Yopaj, Roar number one, and he gets three shot by Satanic as GGs are called.
Wow. Very entertaining game, but Paravision take the series to zero.
All right, they're all smiles. They're laughing a lot more than I'm used to seeing Paravision.
Sometimes in victory, they don't look all that happy, and I feel like this game is perhaps,
maybe you shouldn't feel completely satisfied with that given how close and
that got very very close to an L but maybe they've come to love the tough talk
that puppy has after these terrible wins yeah maybe they're like nervous
laughter look at no one he's he's seen some shit anyway they do get it done a
fun graph for the folks at home here looking like some maybe not the most
exciting rollercoaster but one nevertheless. Oh gee, they made, I mean, look at that Darkseer
damage number. He's top damage in his team over Gyro.
Yeah, that's good.
Nico put in the work against SF and probably showing with this game why they're rating
this hero so highly against Shadowfiend, just taking it regardless and outputting almost
the same damage as Satanic did himself. But not enough.
Yeah, that's to me with, well, it wasn't a Satanic performance on the Gyrocopter. He
tried to replicate it but it wasn't to be in this game with a very entertaining
series overall cheaper. That it was, John, and that it was and I do think I mean
this game was a little bit crazy. I think for a while I just thought the
Paravignes is gonna take it and then and then they weren't just gonna take it
because then OG was gonna take it and then OG didn't take it and the most
Paravignes took the purge. It's something like that. I think there was at least two more
swings within it that happened because I really I thought the game was over. I
I thought OG won when they killed Satanic.
I was so sure of it.
And then they defended barely killing the tower.
It was great, crazy game.
A lot of movements, too.
There's so many times I'm watching Shadowfiend
that I lose track of him, because he would get punched here,
then he'd get vacuumed over here, then use the four-staff.
You just bounced around the fight like a pinball,
getting beat up on just in this fight.
So crazy, crazy game.
Honestly, I feel like OG kind of got outskilled a little bit.
There's some jittery decisions.
the end when he buys back when they double buy and then try to hit the throne. This is the kind of call that if you're not a hundred percent sure it's gonna ruin the game and you can't be making those mistakes as Karrie to be honest like it's just it's not the kind of mistake that you're allowed to make it loses games.
Yeah I mean essentially what happens right is Titanic does not buy back and you want to punish him not having buy back and when you pop your own carry buy back you're in the same spot.
So if the game doesn't end there, you just gave away this massive advantage that you were gonna have for seven minutes
Moving forward where you have a buyback and they don't and you can play off of it in order to like win a fight harder
Instead of they end up using the buyback teleporting into the enemy base. You're buying boss as well
You're kind of like not thinking big picture enough in that moment
And you're taking a massive risk and then in this case it didn't work out with that said though
It was like a solo carry effectively like that shadow Queen is like a ton of their damage, right?
So if he's not coming back like you should have been able to win there
Shouldn't we just criticize that gyrosion to dive in that circumstance that they should have been able to cover him?
I mean, there's there's that's the one way to view it
I think like most of the times the reason you don't see carry players
Clicking their buyback is because they would rather have the seven-minute gap if you think more like tundra mindset or whatever
Like there's a 98% chance we win the game going higher on with 10k lead
But if we have a 50k lead
And I think that's kind of
It's something you have to think about in that moment. I think as Natsumi. Of course for his teammates
They should all be thinking we let our carry down. He died. It's all our fault
Especially position it goes like most fault position five four three mid laners not involved exactly and then what your position five
Why are you saying no, it's the truth of Dota? It's not I wish it was different. Yeah, but it's the unfortunate truth
To be a five play you had to be a little a masochistic. It's just how it goes
I mean that there were definitely moments where I felt like both teams had an edge
I mean the fact that OG could make that comeback to begin with
Was that credit to OG or what did the Paravision do something wrong there?
I mean, OG did have really good fights, certainly
They had a ton of single target disable basically like they had roar they had dark seer punch dark seer vacuum wall
Who is the other one?
There's a third single target hero. I can't remember but it was just a Beastmaster
That's a Beastmaster twice. I can't remember they had a lot of single target disabled that they could use to just throw on shadow fiend
and try to kill him and on the other side they had some counter play they had a lot of heals
I saw in that last fight that the cauldron is using like a
Holy locket from like 600 units away because of his ulti so he was amplifying all the kills a shadow fiend did get when he was
Attacking so if they could just jump on that stuff and chainstone him and kill him then the fight is straightforward ish
So that's all they had to do. Yeah, I mean, I think they figured that stuff out
Well, like it's and I think that's two OGs credit like in a lot of games
There will be one hero that does most of the damage and identifying who that is and how you jump them because a lot of the
Time they're too far away
So you can't actually jump them so you have to wait for them to sort of cross some invisible line into an area
That's actually jump over you and I think oh, you did that very well waiting for them to get very close
And when he's right here then we can go on and it's sort of like
Understanding that line together is like a skill that you build over time is like a team skill
Yeah, I do feel like we saw within this series
We saw darks here pop up twice
But we haven't seen that hero that much insane. Do you feel like this because especially in game 2 it looked kind of strong
I know it lost but yeah, it still definitely had its merits. Do you think we're gonna see more? I think party also played it the other day
I've seen it very few games, but I think OG specifically really like this here. I mean, it's it's kind of like
Historically an OG hero and it very much fits this identity of like playing fast and pressuring and
I think it's a hero that fits them especially well
But I think your overall does look decent. Very good aura buyer, good against like Quinn mentioned during the draft, like these ranged illusion, like the ranged heroes that gave very nice illusion.
Yeah, where's the alarm? It goes off because we get chance to talk to the Colossal Colossal, congratulations. On 2-0, how are you doing?
Hi, feeling good. It was really nice to play today. It was really interesting to play.
I didn't feel this for quite a while, I would say.
And yeah, I'm happy that we won this game.
Why do you think that is? That you're in such a good vibe, good mood?
If you're saying you haven't felt like this for a little while, where's the energy from?
We didn't play much officials, and it was really fun to play.
So it was like we're on the same page, we're doing what we need to do in-game and we are in good mood if we even do mistakes, we are cheering up each other and yeah, Mars just get it, last fight, thanks for here.
Yeah, it was definitely a very fun game to watch. You guys have been pretty open with your road, how you've been going after TI to now also with the new additions to the squad.
I was curious for you, within the team, as the POS5, how do you feel like you've had
to adjust, if at all, over the last few weeks with the changes that you've made?
I think it was more about that we needed a person to take responsibility for the draft
from the previous, because we dragged the end, the last, the draft to the end, but before
It was just a scene and I would say mostly cause I was mostly calling me in the one in the game
It didn't change much just about the draft also just about the draft that that makes sense now last dream league
You guys did very well great results, and I know that therefore you also have that qualified to
To Birmingham already and stuff. Do you guys have set any goals for this dream league in particular?
Or are you now because because it is the first event for you guys in 2026
Is this just like getting back into the groove and seeing how it goes?
We was talking about this we need to improve really hard and go through tournament to tournament because
Mostly we are aiming to like Riyadh, TI, all these tournaments could we just took a new player and he didn't pay
tournament's much and we just need to help him give him some info and all this stuff. So yeah
I got one more question. I'm also position 5 and saw Largo come in and like oh my gosh
we get into a hero that's nice and have an offline installer. What do you think needs
to change about the hero in order to not have it be offline or do you think it actually
was made to be an offline hero and would you like to play it as 5 at all?
I don't really like this hero because it's completely useless on post 5. But on 3 it's
It's good, yeah, it's not crazy, but on boss 5 you know, you're just fucking frog, sorry about this words, but yeah, it's just a frog that do nothing, literally in the game, you can just push and like, click S of your teammate, that's all.
I don't enjoy this gameplay, so need just to add some damage spell to this hero, because without agonium it doesn't do damage, and yeah.
That's fair, that's fair.
But
At least you're very strong being able to I respect that thank you so much the college
We're gonna let you go good luck in your series against I believe yandex tomorrow if I'm correct and
Looking forward to see what you guys are coming up
Yeah looking forward to it so have a good one
Thank you very much, and we're gonna check in now with Jenkins
This is what he's doing today.
Hello, Schieber and Pannel.
You know, Quinn, since Harambe, things in the world
have been very stressful, I find.
And it's even made its way into Dota before group stages
were not stressful at all.
It was just chilling until we get to the playoffs.
Now it's very stressful.
So I want to do something to release that stress.
And I want to ask you guys, how do we feel about movies
as a stress release?
Yay!
Uncut gems.
I like Rathafu. We like movies.
So I have a quiz for you guys.
You're on a team, it's called.
You can score a number of points.
I'm going to show you
some Dota Heroes
that I'm going to make
into a movie poster
or a movie reference.
You need to guess the movie.
There's two levels. There's the hard version,
which I'll just show you the Heroes.
Easy version where I'll do some scene with the heroes from the movie.
So we can just go ahead and jump right into it with our first one.
I'll take these off so I can actually see.
So it will be with these heroes that I am creating the movie.
Gladiator?
We have to guess which movie this one.
Would you like to lock in Gladiator?
I mean it has a mar and a spin as the guy with the shield and the guy with the sword.
So this is an easy one.
We can skip to the next clue, the easy clue.
Oh, it was not the...
That's Gladiator!
Hi there, thanks for your goatee, how's your play?
So that is Gladiator, that's the fight scene.
I was looking for a Tiger model in the game,
I thought maybe like a lone druid bear, but I couldn't get close.
So we'll go ahead, so that's two points for a Team Sheaver.
Congratulations!
Yay!
One, two, or zero points on that.
So you got two, you're at maximum points so far.
Let's move on to the next one.
This is going to be with Tusk and...
Pirates of the Caribbean.
Why is the picture so small compared to the box?
Yeah, that's my bad on the cropping there, she heard.
There you go.
It's the Krita and the princess.
The pistas.
Pirates and the Caribbean.
Pirates and the Caribbean, right?
Yeah.
But would you, any other, any other pirate movie?
There's a pirate in this.
What other pirate movies do we know?
I feel like he would do the easy movies first.
This is an easy movie.
I'll give you a hint.
This is the most watched movie of all time.
What?
Have it so are the might everything avatars growth ice-groo scene. Let's let's get to the next we'll go to the easy clue
Hey, we were a team. It's Titanic
Powers a team shiver
Production is trying to
Thing so much. Yeah, that's gonna be three points. I'm sorry. You do not get titanic
That was so hard to be fair for the for the hard one. They're not they're not gonna get easier
That's how it doesn't have pirates though. No, it doesn't but I use the good
That was about that's the Titanic and they're hitting the iceberg and going there's a Caribbean also has a go
There's definitely ghosts on the Titanic now
The ghosts breathe him ghost breed underwater. Yes, absolutely. They don't need to breathe water
I feel like they don't breathe.
That's really interesting.
We'll go ahead and skip to the next hard mode, hard clue.
We'll be using these two heroes to recreate a movie.
This is an anime full metal alchemist brotherhood.
Is there a movie about it?
Yeah, I think there is.
I don't think it's only a TV show.
Just so it's not super hard for you guys, I will say they're all very popular movies.
There's no there's no like full metal alchemist if you want to do an anime one
We can may bring back the segment but for now this is gonna be like top movies of all time think about top movies forever
But series don't count no series. There's not gonna be a game of thrones reference in here
Well, she were game of thrones references are always good to make so maybe there will be
Winter is coming shiver. It just happened actually I
I know I did do it same one else need to I use your clue
Okay, go easy clue you guys failed that one already. It's the same. It's dragon slayer like it's oh dragon heart
This one's a bit hard. I will give you a hint and say what what other than the heroes am I showing you?
Oh, it's donkey. Oh, it's a stretch
Shrek with donkey and the dragon is going to the castle to rescue Fiona
So that's gonna be your four points total as a team shiver. Hold up. Why is the alchemist not ogre madre?
Why is it not over magic a stretch doesn't have two heads you done?
What's close?
That's definitely ogre is definitely closer ogre. Thank you. Next. We have two points for that
What is this a tree and protect? Oh, this is Robin Hood shortly. Oh, the name is relevant. His name is Robin
Yeah, I don't know what hero that is
The nature is not a popular movie.
Nature's Prophet.
It's something nature related.
Rubbernhood Men and Tights?
Nature related? Anything?
What?
Anything nature related?
We'll go to the easy clue. You guys are not even close with this one.
This will make it easier.
Lord of the Rings?
That's a throne.
That's right, Purges! Lord of the Rings!
Oh, it's the Ents!
That's when the Ents are storming, uh, whatever that was.
Why is Nature's Prophet there?
Because nature's profit, he summons nutrients.
Why is he called Robin?
I think it's random.
It's just names are random.
It's like bought Robin.
I thought he was gonna, it was gonna hit the Robin Hood.
That's right, he got us.
So you guys are still quite good.
Who is Tristal?
Oh, this is easy.
What is it?
Alien?
No, no, no.
This one's easy.
Okay, we're getting...
Oh, no, no, no.
I know.
It's no purge that he got.
Is it Twilight?
With Twilight?
Which Twilight?
That was the last thing that was Twilight.
In my defense, my girlfriend got an ornament
for Christmas in like 2011 that has all three
of the characters on as a Christmas ornament
and she has it and that was like the best ornament ever.
She said she was really embarrassed when she first got it
but now it's amazing.
Now it's amazing.
It's like this ball.
But we have one more final.
In my head.
Difficult.
This is the most difficult one, in my opinion.
What is it, Chen and?
The silence right?
Oh, the silence.
Come on, take your cosmetics off.
Jesus.
Yeah.
Silencer and Shen.
It's religious.
We'll go next.
Little mermaid or something?
I think you can get it from the easy mode clue.
What?
Who mute little animals?
I'll have you guys know our associate producer, Lewis,
was able to actually get this one.
And my girlfriend, who does exist,
was able to get it from the first clue.
We'll go back to the first one.
First clue?
Go back to the first one.
Think about the hero names.
What do they do?
Chen Silencer.
Silencer Chen.
Okay, go to the next one.
What type of animals are those?
Prowlers.
Silence Prowlers?
And what's it? No.
Ancient Prowler.
It's a goat. What's a baby goat?
A kid.
A lamb.
Baby.
And they're what?
Silence of the lamb.
That's right. It's silence of the lamb.
That's...
Why is Chen there?
I guess he has to convert the creeps to have them silent.
That has nothing to do with the null thing.
How did anybody get this on the first one?
I don't think your girlfriend actually did.
Yeah, there's no way.
Well, that's for another quiz.
Guess if this person really exists or not.
And we'll have Harambe, because nobody here has seen Harambe.
That's going to be it for the quiz.
Thank you so much for watching.
I hope the tension has lowered in the room.
And we'll have a back-to-ceiver.
Did we win?
You guys won.
Yeah!
Yeah, let's see who's gonna win our next series shall we we're gonna go for spirit in tongue. I'll see you
I'll be just hanging out
There was no guy
Why did we take for granted?
All that was good
I wish we could
Find what we had
And bring it back
I'll try
Let's give it one more try
Yeah
Don't wanna give it
Don't wanna love
No more
Let's give it one more try
Oh, John, I see that power
I know we both had moments we both the same
No more to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree it's not over yet
Let's not forget almost all the times
It's not gonna look so good
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah
Don't wanna give this dance
Don't wanna see this dance
Let one more try
Just one more try
I'm gonna say this, let it go
A love like everyone's had just
Can't be denied
If we both feel it's no way to end
Come on, let's do it!
Let's do it!
Come on, let's do it!
Let's give it one more chance
I just say goodbye
I don't wanna give this shit
That's it
I'm sorry
I give it to you
I don't wanna say goodbye
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you Don't mean to one night stand, gotta find a way to be a man
It's something about the way you turn and look at me
You'll smile and turn me on and set my mind at ease
Trying hard not to stare
Don't want to look thirsty
Just trying to play cool
Gotta show you that I'm learned it
You walk in all the air
It seems to me this room
I just had to find a way to get in there
See you right here
Testify, it'll be a chance
I'm gonna set this spot
Yeah, I'm gonna play hard and I'll go like a mime
Don't wanna mess me up, cause I'm a real guy
So, checkin' me out
Dream League season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
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Hello!
Sorry, uh, got a little confused, Sheever want to take that one away from you, but no,
it is mine, Sheever.
Sheever, this is my show and I have some great stuff to talk about in this upcoming series
and it is Team Spear playing it so let's take a look at one of their previous matches
here and what they did wrong.
Despite doing things right, they started off very well in the early game.
But they were, can we jump on the clips please, any second, they were doing extremely well in their series, they had a 3k advantage at 30 minutes, which might feel a little mild, but the very smart thing that was done against them was they ended up getting ganked, the Underwood gets picked off in a very safe place on the map that Team Spirit did not expect.
What they did afterwards proved to be their downfall because Thunder over here ended up
pushing this tier 2 tower and moving forward.
And then Spirit being the cool guys that they are with Yatora fighting a DD, they're like
you know what, let's just try to win this teamfight because Aegis is running out anyways.
And in the meantime what they did was they tried to slow down the Jarocopter because
slowing him down while he's killing your buildings for free is a great thing to do.
Very good for Panto here to Ice Pathet and Dual Pathet.
But watch how this fight ends up going.
Yatora TP's in, having the DD.
They're not going to expect this coming.
So he runs in with the sound at the same time that he's stunned in Viper Strike.
But this crazy Eul's here, by boom, that puts him in the air, means that now when he drops
from this, he's not going to be, he's not going to have his DD anymore.
I got removed by that Eul's scepter and then when he jumps down, he's force-spressed BKB.
He goes on the gyrocopter and this really nice snowball is going to pull him to the
right away from the kez at the same time.
So your Toro basically burned all of his resources here just to start in with his DD.
And then he's going to get some damage down.
But at this point, unfortunately, his BKB is gone.
So Invoker here is going to launch all this magic damage in, and he's just going to have
to deal with that.
And deal with it means that he's going to die and go to the fountain.
All this while Underlord is dead.
They shouldn't have gone in.
It would have worked if he had his BKB, but because that Eul's came out by boom, he ends
up getting cleaned up.
And if we look at how much they actually get out of this, it is just a huge mistake because
it is a whole racks.
It is pressuring a Tier 4 tower that they're forced to pipe, actually, and pop BKB to defend
against it.
overwhelming amount of resources that they lost because they tried to take this fight so even if
you're a fantastic team like spirit even if you get this nice bold advantage sometimes it ends up
leading to your downfall because you lose a big gold advantage that you worked hard to keep slightly
ahead due to one mis misplay basically that ultimately cascading them losing this game so
teams here looking great but they are fallible and they can make mistakes and that's something
something they have to avoid doing in this upcoming series.
Thank you!
Can I now?
Yeah, go ahead, Cheever. You can have the drive.
Also, welcome to Jakes on the panel. How you doing?
Thank you. I'm doing great.
I'm excited to watch my boys Tundra play Dota today.
They have a little bit of the same problem that Perz has explained about Spirit though.
Yeah, they do.
They do. They've been a little bit inconsistent.
I think we've seen some
Classic pure gameplay in some of the games where he's just absolutely griefing
But then we've seen
Pure prime where he's doing interesting things and won't be fiving
So it's always fun to watch teams that have somebody that's playing like that
Yeah, okay, you get that box. Okay, I agree with you
Good change the t-shirt in the meantime here start playing make it look like this. Okay. You got it. Very cool
I make a unicorn horn out of this shirt.
There's suggestions in the box.
Can I have a nice color?
Start?
I have planned out my colors.
That's cool, but you can't just take seven of the colors.
No, no, but I will give them.
Can I give them after it?
Because I'm going to use them real quick and then I'm going to give.
No.
OK, we'll have to give me one.
No, no, I don't want those three.
Give me one of the nice colors.
Everyone, how do you buy?
I can put it back.
What's your shirt?
You can remember which one.
I don't need to take the first one.
Just give me like literally any of the nice colors.
Do you think Violet is nice?
Sure. I'll take the Violet.
So selfish.
So to the point I was making...
These are good suggestions.
When teams...
I can do that. I can go ahead.
What's up, Aiden?
When teams that are generally so consistent, like Spirit and Pundra,
have an off time,
it's so rare that it happens.
And it's so rare that it happens at the same time,
they're gonna see both these teams not in peak form,
but we can see both.
I feel like I've never seen this before and I feel like that makes the series super interesting
Is that because you're waiting to see one of them fail or one of them succeed?
It's you watch it to me. I'm not it's more like I like watching
Dota interesting. I feel like that. It's really cool when you get to see new aspects of the same players
There's a how often do you get to watch like spirits not be performance against thunder not
Tundra is like one of the most consistent teams
and Spirits generally like too bad to play Tundra
or like too good and they just stomp
Why do I seem like a hate watcher?
That just seems like your personality to me
Is that off base to anybody else?
You guys really have some great comments for each other
Am I wrong? That's a wacky thing
I thought me and Karen were friends
You think this makes me call you an offering?
I mean, it's okay to be a little bit of a hate watcher sometimes.
I feel like I'm like the anti-hate watcher.
You're the anti-hate watcher? You're in it for the love of the game?
I just don't believe you when you say that.
Like, I know you love the game.
Do you know the first person I said hello to was when I got to Dream League?
No.
Kevin.
What was it?
Yeah.
Did I respond at all?
Yeah.
We were having a nice chat in the kitchen about like...
Oh, that one, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
You were the first person I looked up and came to say hello to,
but now I'm realizing our friendship was all just a lie.
It was all hay watching.
Kevin just hates me.
Beaver, I would like a new color please.
Would you like this? A lighter color or a darker color?
I need some contrast. I would like a lighter color.
This is the biggest contrast you're gonna get as in this...
I don't know how light that one is.
It's kind of dark. It's a dark blue.
Did you want to share this box with me?
I wanted to before. I don't know how I feel about it anymore.
It's not a huge tip.
Wait, are you supposed to wear gloves?
Like what are you should?
Look, I'm not a badass like Kevin.
Look, I already got dying.
Don't you have to squeeze it?
Next to each other.
Like I'm milking the cow.
The paint in the t-shirt?
Oh, they switched the camera off when I did that.
They knew.
I was milking the udder, because it looks like that.
See?
That was great.
But we put the camera back.
I like I milked that in.
You can milk that.
That's the udder.
Why is it being weird?
It's not weird.
People milk cows all the time at here in Sweden.
So we have Ember Spirit versus Invoker.
Thank you.
You know what I realized? Every time I'm on a panel with these two, the panels are just so weird.
But it's like the combination of them.
It's a hate watcher of our panel.
But he's part of it.
I knew I was on the same...
Kevin is just always talking when I'm trying to talk.
A?
What would you like to say about that?
I would like to say that Ember Spirit against Invoker is an interesting matchup.
Why?
Because it's BZM Invoker, which first of all, I think we all agreed upon, is illegal from Last Stream League.
Yeah.
You don't give this man this hero.
Period.
But the scene of the spirit has like some plan in mind, you know?
They want to try the Ember, it's a pretty decently matchup.
Invoker doesn't really have that much nice hard lockdown, so Ember can kind of like,
like through things, and he doesn't have enough sustain to just tank slides.
So, I also feel like with Ember, if you can have a decently phase, this hero is always
kind of good.
And it kind of looks like you're going to get lucky.
I suppose because you, it's hard for you to die, you can pretty much always initiate.
It's not like a hard committal, so it's easier to poke.
You can farm just by getting levels.
There's like a lot of good things about the hero that make it reliably useful.
I'm not correcting guessing that you want a darker color after that one, Kurt.
I think I'm going to redo the vial because I'm afraid I didn't put enough juice on there.
You haven't put a lot of juice on there?
I don't know how much it's teased through.
Yeah, I'm worried about the t-shirt on the inside.
What happens if I get the outside, but it doesn't soak through, you know what I'm saying?
I agree.
bit I'm gonna be kind of careful because I know there was only so much juice for us but
you're right violet is not very violet at all yeah it's like right now at least it could change
colors that's true I really feel like morning shift gave us the worst colors they did well they
they had to because first of all it's a red okay if the roles were reversed we would have definitely
given them the wrong no I'm holding violet at the moment okay that's fine I'll just do a new color
You won't gray great problem. I got a purple blue navy cherry. Oh, dude. Can I do blue? I guess that is that?
Then we need to be better at our pattern making
Interesting what you're doing over there. I'm making a look milk. Go ahead and milk that Aiden look at those others milk that
Oh, it's milk!
You can suck it right out of the calator and it's healthy for you here in Sweden, Aiden.
So we have Phoenix and Shaman that support you on the side of Tundra.
On the other side, we've got Spirit already getting the ringmaster.
Will they go for the other sport right now?
I mean, what would you do otherwise?
Right?
I don't want to select a core yet, because Thunder has a small, they have to select a core anyway. Which core do you think they'll go for?
Well, usually you either look for something with flex, as my glasses are filming.
Primal? I mean, Primal is so much flexi, but no, not anymore, because they already got Ember.
Yes, usually you look for something with flex, or you look for some hero that you feel comfortable playing into pretty much anything.
Like you're saying with this Primal Beast, that like, I don't think Thunder has anything that will counter me so hard that I cannot play the game anyway.
And if it's not a Flexi Hero, generally you want to look at a Hero that has an easy ability to recover from a poor laning phase.
So someone that can farm stacks and come back that way is generally a pretty safe bet.
And I think Primal Beast kind of like fulfills those qualities.
In-cut waves as well, an off-lane.
Yep, yep, yep.
That's a nice field covering.
And I think he's kind of looking at the powder here.
The pilot is that one.
That's okay, I'll put it up a little bit more.
It looks a lot like the blue, I'm not gonna lie.
I mean, I will say I grabbed purple after violet,
and that looks exactly the same.
I hope that in how it dries it looks a little different,
but there's a high chance this will just be
peach and blue, right?
All right, we got the doom coming out. Oh doom against
Okay, yeah, no longer was first phase
I'm kind of excited about doom right now. It might sound a little weird
But I was so sick of everybody getting the same facet for so long and I looked at these other facets
I'm like they're not
Especially amazing, but they are different
You can do some creative things with them like make us slightly stronger
Creepability or have a really long duration doom especially if you like the timeless enchantment later on
I don't know there's like slightly fun things that doom can do and it be explored in new ways, so I'm excited to see there
It doesn't look that fancy. Obviously do me numbers incredibly good
Other than that also, that'll do
So he will hit creeps if you want more drops to
Do that with I
Do that what you can do that with this box the chaos because the box is the box is gone
I actually feel like it's perfect now
You want me to make more of a mess?
I feel like you guys watch this. I will unfriend you guys on Facebook.
I don't think we're friends. We're good.
Can you move it slightly so I can make a mess there without ruining your...
Yeah, you can put it on the table if you're done.
No worries, Kevin.
Can you follow me on eBay?
I don't think I have you on eBay.
What do you sell?
I sell tie-dye shirts actually. This is very convenient.
You guys are you guys are working for me right now
No, you don't get cut it's eBay. You think I make money on eBay. Could I get the blue?
Which blue do you always take?
The actual blue this time around. Does the actual blue look also as dark as the other things?
It was this this is violet. This is blue
They look almost exactly the same. They do look always identical
So, for people that are curious why we already have any colors, there were 18 colors in the
box and the morning crew obviously had the first choice of the colors and they basically
chose as many bright colors as they could, like green and yellow and red.
But you know what, you know what they are?
Sometimes just throwing a lot of color onto your shit doesn't make it look nice.
You still gotta think about color combinations and have taste.
There's limited color combinations you can go for when you have navy, blue, purple, and
violet and they all look like the zinc.
You think morning shifters know anything about putting colors together?
Of course they do.
Neil literally worked at a paint company, come on!
Oh, he did, that's the direction.
He worked at the science part though.
I think he knew his color wheel.
Doubtful.
No, he did.
They're probably like...
You know, he actually did that.
They're like, do calculus on this math and he did it.
And then he went back to playing video games and not waking up on that.
Then they said, do calculus on this math.
But he was far too high to do any calculations.
Exactly.
All right, let's see what we got coming.
So, you're already done.
You can focus fully on the Dota.
Yeah.
So, I don't think...
Snotfire hasn't really been a popular for since they kind of nerfed everything about
the hero.
Castoring John Cookie really hurt.
There's a lot of things, right?
There's quite a few.
Allentree, a lot of things got nerfed.
Deserved, honestly.
Yeah.
It was really good.
But I guess they've kind of picked it as a response to Phoenix.
It's also one of the few nice support tools that you can have against Doom if you eventually
do get there.
Like, picking someone up with eggs or cooking them out and then picking them up with eggs
and yeeting them out is a nice way to save someone if needed.
So there's actually a lot of cool stuff that Rue technically could do if he gets to that
point in the game. And other than that, I feel like for Tundra, it's quite tricky to
stop this primal beast from actually trusting his ult. Like once you get to the teamfight
stage, which you kind of always have to think about when you're playing in spirit, the responses
to primal beast just like sitting in the middle of the fight, DKB it up, and all things are
very limited. You don't really want to use Doom for that purpose. Kind of like, doesn't
makes sense and we have a hey it's trek somebody once told me the world was
getting you know that's fun it makes me think of over magic I don't know about
you this song yeah you're a weird guy you know that I really like you anyway
I'll take a call him an over in the movie, and he's like, I'm not a drama.
I'm pretty sure he says I am an over.
He watched the porn version of the movie.
This is like the best terrible blade game I've ever seen.
But I feel like nobody plays terrible blade.
Yeah, Toro would.
I feel like I've seen Watson play it, maybe.
Why is it a good terrible blade game anyway?
It's good against Doom, and it's good against Alk.
Alk will have Oris.
That's a good active age game!
Yo, let's go!
Okay, Klaas is literally telling me why did you pick this shit?
I promise you, that's literally what he just said.
He's got a billion stuns that he can reflect if he presses it at the right time, which is cool.
He would.
I mean, it's quite strong against Doom.
Doom doesn't like playing without mana.
You have to have, like, Omega, what do you call it?
Like, you're always scared of him pressing E while you're dooming.
And I feel like Neda's Doom is really good.
But if he has like one slight like you know, he's like 99 and every start mm-hmm
But his like 98 that I think sometimes is getting his dooms off and fights and I think anti-maj's makes it quite tricky
And it's really embarrassing if you mess it up me get doomed everyone can see your mistake for like 16 seconds
Yeah, yeah, you don't think about that. All right, no no for sure for sure
What about Anti-Mage versus Alk Matchup?
I feel like Anti-Mage does give Alk a lot of time to hit his pop-off state, you know, get his Radiance Blink.
Yeah, I think AM nowadays can be played a lot more active than you used to.
You're not really going to win the same way that you used to do, where you just kind of out-farm the game,
and you just end up with more network than the enemy team.
I think it's not really everyone's condition in the same way.
Okay, and I think you can kind of connect to move
Quite early and just apply pressure if if the moves happen in a nice way and you kind of play off the mobility more and abuse that factor
I know it looks from the side that it's all the same color. Trust me. There's different gradations
And they may or may not show that way
Yeah, I was thinking about that like dude
They normally need to be washed in water after you let it sit for a while. I believe so yes
I mean a lot of like dies will change color silly with oxidation
stuff like that. You guys can agree with that? Yeah, I have spent a lot of time oxidizing. Do we
have a favor coming into this? Not that the draft is done. You know what? We can hold all that
information in because we can watch the game and see what happens. We got ourselves a doozy here
between Tundra and Team Sphere. Both teams not playing that well though, but they're really good in the past,
you know, they get that back and I'm talking like this because there's a snack fire in the game.
Love this hero, got that Mortimer's Kisses and all that goodness for ya.
Sure do.
I, uh...
I'm just excited about this game because I feel like I went into a time machine and I'm looking at a meta from
a couple years ago. There's almost nothing picked in this game that is S tier in the current patch by consensus, right?
Like what is shadow fiend? What's the what are the potential candidates for S tier heroes that are picked in this game? Ember?
Ring master is like a I guess
Primal beast is a
and then
Invoker maybe S and especially in BGM's hands and then Phoenix you could like argue but the five other heroes
Alchemist barely played doom almost never played
This is Doom's second game of the tournament,
Sapphire's second game of the tournament.
AM, I didn't see the stats.
I haven't seen it.
Ari has played Shatter Shaman before,
so he's like the one player it seems
that likes this more than the others.
Yeah, I don't know.
It makes it a lot harder to predict
because the frame of reference here is a lot smaller
and I'm curious for the teams just how much,
this feels more like a battle of ideas
than proven concepts, you know?
They're like, they have some,
They keep throwing back punches that are based on history.
Yeah, and if you're experimenting, this is probably the time to experiment.
Turn up.
Early stages of the tournament.
I am not a big Alchemist believer myself.
I feel like this hero, I love this hero.
He has very narrow timing windows where he is very strong, and if you miss them,
I feel like the hero never fully recovers to the extent of other carries,
their carries so you really need to deliver when it matters. In a cleanly executed game
I think the Alchemist can still be very good. So pressure on pure to get it right. The good
news for him is this is a relatively easy lane I think for the time being. Phoenix against
Primal Beast and Snapfires should do quite well.
Throw it away.
on himself.
Collapsed playing the Primal Beast this time around, and by this time around, I mean, this
is game one, of course, I haven't seen him yet, today.
He looked all smiles in the draft, so I think he's vibing today, which is, Whitemon has
been playing a lot of Phoenix, I have to say.
Usually he's the ringmaster, but it's going to be Rue, or Spirit, picking it up this time.
Of course, Whitemon famously known for picking the only person to pick the other facet on this hero just to humor us
It was terrible, of course
And we never saw it again after that was true
That was like a year ago. It is actually worth mentioning that it is it is Panto playing on the other side
So still position five just to be clear because I think ringmaster 4 has a very small subset of games that it could be good in
Pro but I see this hero more as a five
I mean if both white mon and pants will play you know, they kind of agree with the sentiment
Rue will be on the snapfire. Did I say Rue? All right
Sure did. Damn it snapfire. Sure. Yeah, brother
Brother sister was different now, Bama
Okay, the BGM. That's where that came from. That's nothing to do with what I just
Pure oh boy, this would be a huge kill already for spirit
That's about the very fire. One more right click does it and that is Rue with the first blood white mon uses a dive in vain
Yeah, this is one of those situations that I found can be a little bit tricky sometimes as a five
You have a good half-pull and you have the small camp and you kind of want to farm that small camp and deny creeps with it
But if you're leaving your carry alone while you're pulling sometimes, I think it's better to just half-pull and leave
You lose a little bit of experience in the jungle
But you're there for your carry and they tried to do both and as a result pure died because it was a 2v1
While they were pulling and spirit will take advantage of that every single time so bit of a slip up there
There's definitely a different way to play that for the side of tundra
But the grand reward now is pure will get a great wave placement courtesy of that pole
All right, I'm gonna say something controversial
Okay
Is it brother sister related or can we know?
Go ahead.
I'm gonna have to hold that thought, we got a concoction being concocted by Pure.
That's gonna reach.
Well, there is a cookie, but not in time, another kill, but this time for Tundra.
This lane is a bit action-packed, maybe not the one we were expecting, potentially.
Give me your controversy here.
So, in Stania, I know he's been a teammate of 33.
He 33 has all stats of 99 and except for getting dooms off, which is 98. I think he's being nice
Hmm for me. This is of the heroes that he plays
Semi-consistently this is his worst hero at least from the cast that we've had in the past. I
Mean, it's still good, but
Compared to his other heroes. It's a pretty big step down. So from what I've seen to I
Disagree with that not because I think this is a very good hero right now
but I think he's the best Doom player in the world.
So that doesn't mean it's his best hero in the patch,
but I think this is the hero that he is the most better
than other players.
You think so?
Yeah, I think so.
But the reason you have games where he looks bad on it
is because Doom as a hero is very polarizing.
If it gets shut down completely in lane,
it's his worst recovery hero.
It's harder to jungle with
than a lot of other stuff he plays.
And it's just a worst hero in Dota right now, period,
than other stuff we've seen, such as Largo and Timbersaw.
So I think it's easier to look bad, but in terms of his overall skill as a player
I think this is 33's best. So that's kind of funny that we're that much in disagreement about that, but with that said
Maybe I've had bad luck on the cast. I mean I understand where you have the perspective that you do because he has games where he looks
Really bad on Doom, but it's not because he's bad at Doom
It's just a hero issue. I would
BZM gets the Sunstrike kill on Tarot speaking of the signature heroes.
Oh, this would be a big chat.
Verifier keeping him somewhat healthy and nice, deafening class with a Blood Grenade from a far BZM in the tree line.
It's not enough to get away.
But Team Spirit might be losing some heroes.
They lose one in the form of Panto, but that's going to be it.
Nice trade for Spirit.
We have signature heroes.
BZMs and Vokers got to be his...
I mean, as to here, you think of it, if you like, with BZM, generally speaking?
Yeah, he's very, very good in Voker.
So we have BZM and Voker, and we have 33 on Doom, and now they're both going to suck on their best hero, Shannon.
Yep, that's how it goes.
So we're going to do a Caster's Curse, and full effect, BZM.
Tornado.
We'll get away from that.
This spells the Flameguard pretty nicely.
Shackle from Ari, but now out of mana.
An interesting detail here.
First of all, we talked about Doom's laning being exploitable.
Exploitable he is doing great. So that's a very good first sign here for 33 doing well against the anti-mage 33 and 10 on the doom
CS
Damn is not a good carry and lenient do it just isn't you don't do a lot of damage doom can play well without mana
And on top of that 33 has actually picked up the break creep from the hill troll berserker
So whenever he hits on a 10 second cooldown he breaks for three seconds
Just quite nice against anti-mage. You just do more damage on every infernal blade
And the cookie actually doesn't do anything, but it matters not the outnumber BZM great invoker son span
Yeah, more cast or curse 30 he hasn't died yet. So
The best invoker player in the world cannot play his way out of that situation for what it's worth
So it's only so much you could do. What do you think of the?
Well, you're out. Hang on
Narell behind 33 but four level six be a good kill. It's a career, which is actually drums
Be the damage to Yotaro but not 33 completely out of mana. Yotaro can't go any further though.
Panto and Morales looks like they're gonna focus. The Doom and 33 will end up dying.
That's why I'm on.
I have some fire spirits to work with. Panto not gonna get sun-stricken.
They're gonna use the Fierce Change.
Double kill for Morale. Nice rotation.
I think, I personally think Ember Spirit has underrated this tournament.
And I know he's been picked a lot and done well and a lot of teams different teams have played it to me
This is an incredible hero right now in one of them
Like one of the best mid heroes just in general
It's exploitable in some counter matchups such as Viper can be really bad and Huskar
But if you avoid those matchups either with bands or picks
To me, this is an S tier mid hero
I'm just
Incredible and they felt confident picking it when easy I'm picked in Voker because they're like well
we know you're gonna go mid so I don't have to worry about all those problems
so I think this is a very clever setup from spirit to give that invoker way to
get this trade now we'll see if that comes back to buy them because BZM is a
great invoker player but as it stands Ember is miles ahead already 1200 up in
the mid lane minute eight and that is obviously going to mean probably a fast
vessel great tool against Alchemist against Doom against Phoenix looking like
an awesome potential game here for Morel.
Yes, Beer Vessel, almost there.
And, I mean, speaking of the BZMs in Voker though,
he went for Agent of Galarron, Cinderan.
Yeah, I feel like he does that every game.
This game in particular, I mean, they have really nice stun in Shackle,
obviously the Hex concoction.
They don't have like this big AoE teamfight.
They have Egg, but nothing really to contain them,
like a Mars arena or something like that.
You think, uh, I mean, we've been seeing the other, or one of the other facets of these.
I don't know the names of these invoker facets.
Yeah, the WECS-focused one is being played sometimes.
I think it's called Mind of Tornaris. Sounds familiar.
Sure.
Are you, could you make a fine dance, Doom?
The shackle, Sunstrike's not gonna hit thanks to the cookie.
It's dangerous just right, man. He didn't get the Doom off there.
This is just got countered by the cookie. If that's all it takes to counter 33, man, what?
That 98 stat line.
Yeah, that's if he was 99 he would have dagger already and get that doom on boy
Steering chain into the whip and to a couple of knives as a big on spot from collapse as he actually go for this nice
Cornetto. Yeah, BZM not gonna be able to evade the steering chains and now a pulverize reserved for the support
And it's already will likely take a tumble here as well
Team spirit off to a really hot start in this game one
Yeah, they're almost 2,000 gold up in an early game against Alchemist, so that's obviously
looking great.
Keep in mind that Alch is 1,500 ahead of Anti-Mage.
That means the other lanes for Spirit are going great.
The Atorral, plus 33.
Yeah, it drains 33 of a lot of mana and he gets popped.
He just can't get the Doom off, he doesn't have the mana in Stenia with the calls.
Meteor.
Meteor
And wheel of wonder from Panto you see him have to face the other direction
I just took the explosion gonna be quite a bit to withstand morale with another kill easy M
For that's already at ten minutes. Yeah
We'll have wonder does a lot of damage. It's an underrated aspect of that
That's concoction with the acid spray cookie though buys him a little bit of space and around should be fine
I mean, the fact that you're forcing Pure out of his comfort zone, he doesn't really
want to fight until he gets that Radiance.
Definitely not.
What would you say is a normal time for Radiance on Alchys?
We're going to see Pulverize in the top lane with an Egg placed as well.
The Egg's on strike.
You're not going to do a whole lot, your Taro side steps.
This one's strike as well.
I mean, my frame of reference might be a little bit outdated because Alka's been, you know, receiving some nerfs and he's really not that popular hero right now.
Historically, Phase Boots, Soul Ring, Radiance, a great timing, something like 11 minutes when you get both buildup items.
Nowadays, I don't know where you're at, but he's not even remotely close to that level.
He's going to be even farther behind now.
We're running this show just playing really fast and it's a very good sign for them that they can do this with minimal involvement from Yatoro.
I think a lot of the times when we see teams run over the laning stage to this extent, it's a lot of the time courtesy of carry rotations through the gate.
But Antimage has been top for 12 minutes straight, so they haven't needed him to kill mid, they haven't needed him to gank bottom.
It's just the other heroes are combining very nicely. They collapse, they have great rotations, they've leveraged this Embertson, obviously 6-0 and 1, and of course Panto on the ringmaster in almost all of the action as well.
Now he's going to steal some stacks here too with Morrell, obviously lovely to do that against Alchemist, feels even better than...
Especially Mud Golems.
Yep, even better for him. The one hero in Dota that likes there to be Mud Golems in the camps.
the ramp speed. Otherwise, very uninteresting and a lot of heroes are pretty slow at farming them.
Oh, no.
Again!
Again! Rue didn't even need the Mortimer's for that kill, but they might turn into another with the pulverized Auri.
Dead again. They kill off one circle, or give some space for Collapse to get away.
to get scenery change. It doesn't have an egg from earlier, so double kill, ferru,
Sunstrike misses, everything going the way of spirit. Yeah, this is something we
didn't really talk about when we looked at the draft, but what an insanely greedy
tricor on Radiant. Look at it. Doom Invoker Alch. If the lanes go badly, who do
you turn to for plays? Is it going to be the X-word Invoker with meteor hammer? I
don't see anyone else, right? Like you're not... you don't have these like high
High-pace carry or some off-laner that offers a ton of utility.
So they're kind of all just playing their lanes and getting ganked, and nobody can really help.
So all of this big props to Spirit for the well-executed first 10 minutes, and now they can reap the benefits
while all of these cores on Tundra need to farm.
You can kind of pick your lane and go kill someone.
This is like the freest Ember game ever.
Collapsed level 11. Almost 12!
and the fact that it's 14 they keep killing pure before he can get the
sacred
it's been now when he responds he will be able to basically
he already has responding us has enough to the sacred like now but still
yes the same net worth this primal beats like that is
that's pretty bad far under par now that you want to have the radiance and
already be working on your next item now
I'm confident in this patch like you know there might be some slight differences
like I talked about but fourteen minutes
100% confidence you want to have radiance and another at least thousand gold. So you are well behind our
More bounty's gonna be grabs here for spirit adding insults injury
I love getting those on the alchemist team, but also not gonna get that the fact that a and gets a battle here before alchemist
It's radiance. Yeah, that's just it's just not this is not normally
Check him PC channel check it
So yeah, Yatoro's battle fury and it looks like a Mantet to follow, no big surprise.
Yeah, standard build here.
I want to go for Helm of the Dominator, I don't think there's any point.
If you were to go Helm, when would that be?
Yeah, I don't know after the nerfs.
That was before battle?
Yeah, there was that phase when Dom was just broken and Carrie Amps would buy the first item.
This would be a nice kill for Tundra as they can get it.
There's the first doom of the game. The box gonna keep him safe for a little bit.
Attempting to walk away. Wheel of wonder placed. Not gonna activate on anybody. Attempted TP from 33.
Not gonna happen thanks to the cookies. Thunder, they want to get this kill on Collapse. He gets with it and gets the kill.
Collapse is a beast of burden.
God damn, he's playing well this game. Gotta say.
Well, he's stuck in the trees so you cast or curse him again.
Well, he dodged the Sun Strike. It was very clever getting stuck there.
Another beautiful play from collapse at the foresight. That's so good
This is like it might have hit it might have hit who knows might have
Instead of talking about BZM's brilliance we can what else can go wrong for touch. Yeah
Even the mistakes that the enemy team are working against you. That's when you know, it's a rough game
And this is a pretty clean execution too. They're kind of landing absolutely everything they want
Even throwing out the early egg, but nice box
And good attempt here from 303 with a teepee out, but cookie won't no problem there and this this is baller
Like I would scream at the top of my lungs
If I was the primal there, yeah, but you wouldn't be in this position. You're not good. That's true. Oh, all right
Silver lining BZM lives. Yeah, that's worth celebrating here a great play from tundra
Something went not wrong
tough okay what is your I feel like I'm asking this too much but at this time
I'm genuinely curious about it. Nice kill from collapse again he is completely
dominating. I'm not gonna ask now. Go ahead. And you knew what the question was.
I know you have it. You have a tick that you just have to get out just verbalize.
Not really. I know you. Okay
Give me the percentage
Alka's down 5k minutes. Are you asking what I think the presentation like or what the graph what you think Dota things
What I think Dota things I pay down Alka minutes 17 in this I would say I'd still say it's 85 15
Why is that much for spirit? I mean
It's pretty close. What is it 75 25 ish?
Okay. Oh, it's 33.
It's getting gone on, but they're going to try to turn this around instead.
The pulverized reserve for 33.
Ari, next on the list, tornado.
Sure.
A wheel of wonder, avoided for the most part, but you can see the ult coming out from the toro,
and now the double kill from morale.
Pure dead to rights.
Again. Silver lining. BZM live, Cinderance.
Second silver lining. Spirit might get the next kill for epic meme number.
That's true. You got to keep track of those. I know you have a tick
With numbers you love specific numbers more than others. I don't know if you can say that's offensive actually because I do have Tourette's
I think tick is very offensive. Okay
what uh
You see the replay. What a beautiful flight here again from Spirit. You can see the decisiveness of Narell
He's just instantly in there every single flight
He's just insta-rementing and trusting in his team knowing that if it gets doomed it'll be fine
And well, would you look at that top left on your screens?
Doom has a green diamond that means he did not get his ulti off courtesy of Insania
So I bet a little bit of a forehead scratcher here. We avoided both. Oh
My god, can can spare give a kill back collapse that horribly somewhere and now it's 421
So dying is feeding horribly now is it? Yeah, okay. I mean when you miss two memes like that
You can dodge it, that makes sense pretty bad.
Alright, that's a public apology and an induction in salary, I think.
Imagine that as part of your contract.
You have to aim for mean number.
That's an Arkaash thing, probably.
Okay, now take...
No, this is a replay of that.
Doom won huge.
33 got the Doom and the Sunstrike on the money.
He almost died to neutral, so that was really close.
So, forget about what Dota Plus thinks.
What do you think the percentage is?
Because when you're down 6k in general, you're down 6k without as your carry at 19 minutes.
33 is dead.
Probably.
Maybe.
Yeah.
I've got some mana, but no it's not.
He doesn't even need it.
He will use it.
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Speaking of ticks.
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So you watch that that's a good question he died to collapse last
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And the next
What do I think really like 90 10 honestly they found a kill here. They do some strike
Spirit vessel applied to pure has the haste room for a good amount of time wants to reinitiate
Okay, well
Sun right now into the infernal blade and a death
Okay
Sticks like that can definitely serve
Honestly that was
Worse than nothing he
He actually he lived he overcooked. He just he went a bit too crazy there on the jumps
Stressed out and paid the price
That was a pretty big kill. He had a not he had a godlike streak and he lost his tower
Yeah, so tundra with a big swing back here, and that's gonna help them
Recover this game quite a bit. Oh, look at this
The reason I was favoring them so much as well
It's one thing with the nature of the line-ups. It's also how the teams play generally tundra when they're behind tend to really
Fall into farming a lot
Good things now they go for torment or sure
So we've seen you and I have cast games of tundra where the early game goes badly and they farm until they lose
And that's part of the concern I have with a lineup like this for them, is when they're this far behind on these heroes, that spirit will just make moves while Tundra keeps scrambling for farm.
But they're doing a good job here at subverting that expectation of mine, really trying to play offensively with what tools they have.
And I agree 100% with that mindset. If you're playing against Anti-Mage, you want to try to punish the enemy team for having four and a half heroes for now.
But of course your Toro is approaching.
Yeah, eventually there will be this fifth hero and he will be something to reckon with.
Still one of my favorite Dota memes of all time.
The old anti-mage has finished farming.
I'm ready. And his team's dead.
What is it in the scroll?
My agriculture ceases hence.
Or whatever.
I don't think I've seen that.
I love that one, it's like written in medieval scroll of him that he's finished farming.
He has his second item in the manta, and once he gets that butterfly which he already has the eagle song, so not that far away.
Okay, the young pure, that's a big pick up. I mean they've cut the lead to 2k, it was 8k2 minutes.
Yeah, this is now a game again.
It's a pretty massive swing here.
So pure, obviously the Radiance Blink PKB, what's the next item I think, what do we need
to go for?
Um, Basher.
Yeah, a lot of the time the next item is Bloodthorn, right?
He's currently eyeing up a Shard.
I guess he wants to have a secondary break out of chains.
It's pretty good and Vessel.
And also has his first teammate of course, which could be very handy.
I mean, usually it's Bloodthorn. I don't know if that's the right item here.
Emperor is closing in on BKB, so it won't be that effective against him.
Antimage already has the Manta, so...
I'm guessing he doesn't know himself yet.
I'm still not seeing anything in that quick buy, so...
He's eyeing up his options.
Epistle is... Epistle is not that great when you don't have high attack speed.
So if you don't have AC or Bloodthorne first, it's kind of math.
Recert Potion gives 50 attack speed. It's something.
I definitely think he should be atomizing against AM though,
because I don't think the rest of his teammates are going to deal with him well enough.
Alchemist has to be the guy who solves that part of the puzzle later.
Last 33 gets that Doom, since you're in.
Yeah.
98 out of a hundred.
I mean Team Spirit feels like they have stopped being ultra aggressive now that they've gotten killed a couple times.
Yeah.
Credit where credits do, Tundra really...
Do you think that they're gonna be ready to fight with this butterfly or do they need
slash walk the BKB for your Toro?
I don't think they need anything extra to fight. I still favor them.
What entices them?
It might be safer to wait for another item on AM.
So...
And when you look at the map right now, the current map state is Tundra favored.
They have very good ward placements in the top half, which is where the heroes are right now.
So the wards from Spirit down south is showing...
Effectively showing Spirit that they are top, but they don't know exactly where.
They don't know if they're smoking now. They're trying to get information here. Morel is moving out in front
Yes, the BKB, but there's an instant hex from Shaman. There is the doom that we talked about
Preventing from getting out by very balls. He puts out the circle war
We can see the cataclysm not doing too much
All right, just feeds his life away collapse on the BKB and the pulverize with the mortars right on top of 33
Trying to get off the doom, but the mantas there he does get it off successfully
Presley it's hard on out a bit of trouble gets boxed up going to the north now gets stunned by the alchemist and pure looks like
They'll get this kill
That is a big one for the side of tundra 33 leading the charge gets steering chains Lotus gets into a respectable
And HP peers going to continue to pound upon these supports in the form of panto now
33 did get deleted by collapse in the meantime though nice tornado that should clean up the ringmaster
White mom takes the tumble from Marell who's still active in this fight, another pulverize coming out, and that one's for BZM, double kill for Marell.
So the AM is successfully vanquished, but the fight still feels like it's spirit favor.
Absolutely crucial for that to not be a disaster for Tundra, that 33 gets that doom off an AM.
He was killing the supernova, and then they were going to get completely run over.
Over.
Are you very aggressive with Pure nearby?
Do they have the right click damage?
Glide of Fist, Cookie, Remnant, and Melee Ring is enough to get away.
Collapse kills off Pure.
Feels like this has happened three or four times in this game.
Cures play from Ari there.
Get this engage.
But yeah.
I wonder how different the game would be if Collapse died those two times he was on 1% HP.
Well played.
Well, here.
You got some good memes.
Thank you.
i try
and that was uh... those nice i hope we get a replay of that whole situation
actually because
it's uh... there's a couple of snap decision-making
moments that i don't mean snapfire just very quick decisions made that had a
huge impact on the previous team fight well first we're gonna see panto this
time probably died to aris jump successful
uh...
they had uh...
they basically had a supernova kill with a m
but he got forced out by the doom, and doomed, I guess we will get that fight now.
So have a look at this. So first, Ari's gonna go in,
he's gonna get rock in the face, and he's gonna die instantly.
33 was about to doom Merell, but cancelled it.
And now, with this pulverize going out, Yatoro feels confident to jump the egg,
but look at that deafening blast forcing him away at first,
and now the doom is forcing him out.
So the supernova goes off, and now they get to go for the chase through.
If that deafening blast doesn't hit AM, he destroys the egg and lives.
So everything changed with one spell cast from EZM there in the heat of the moment, great decision making.
Now, with that in mind, they still did lose the fight, but it would have been a complete disaster.
I mean, considering where they were a few minutes ago, this is progress for Sundra.
It is.
The Spirit certainly still in the driver's seat, it feels like.
And it's going to get ten times harder when your Toro gets another item.
is my overall expectation. When he gets this BKB or Lincolns, whichever he chooses first,
the Lincolns is the current quick buy, so that seems to be the plan. 33 has a purge
creep, but it is so damn hard to counter play AM with this when he has both Lincolns and
counter spell. It's all, it's all order. So that effectively puts a lot of pressure
on arie to break the am arie has been super aggressive i actually love watching him play
he is excellent at shatter shaman there's a reason this thing doesn't play as well
yep of course shout out to grubby if you jiggle in in the chat you know if you know you know
They're smoking all likelihoods here for Conrad.
Yeah, they're very congregated at least, but not going for it right now.
Instead, Whitemon is going to walk on top of these wards, place an Ops, that's pretty
unfortunate.
Now they're going to see this one and get rid of it, but with that information, Spirit
know there's a ward, Panto's pinging it, and they should be able to avoid this choke point
as their next
point of aggression
roche is up
in the top pit and he's about to go for a walk
they're working on an assault
he is not top net worth but not by much
normal alchemist game it feels like you have a six to seven k net worth lead at this point with just you and
whoever's number two
yeah generally if you're free farming in the enemy carry is
also free farming without being one of the absolute best and yeah you're probably looking
at something in that neighborhood so
as a relative I like this purchase from thirty-three the shadow blade
it's a prized it's good he has he has to get creative here against the anti-mage
it's also nice to upgrade into silver edge you get the break
the big slow as we've talked about
can be nice
it will be the link is officially so
It has the ultimate orb, still a ways to go for the finished components.
All the rock throw missing pure, if that hit, they might have actually gone for it.
Perhaps.
He's the one trying his best to force them back up top.
Forged spirits and meteor hammer in hand, he really wants to use it I think, but...
Yeah, white mon is...
He's in...
and BZM will also get out. Nobody getting caught. Yes.
You can tell Yatoro doesn't really want to engage too much until this link is finished.
He was hoping to find BZM there because he walked across that ob-centric combination, but he is out of there, so...
Spirit will not find that keypick instead now. Tundra going for the smoke.
smoke, they want to find a kill and turn this into a roach play. And I'm afraid for them
Pantos all they're going to find.
Yeah, they dust him. He is certainly dead, but there's a fact what cost exactly. There's
the rock throw into the primal ult. It's actually hitting three heroes, the trampol
is doing so much damage, pure as dead. Now to focus on the eggnose, they're just going
to run away.
Still without the out, I don't think Tundra can fight. They actually used the doom. It
Successfully does hit the AM, but he is getting away pretty damn fast 33 in Furnal Blade
Continuing with that sports arc, the Wheel of Wonder holds him in place
He does get the kill he was coming for, but it's gonna cost him dearly. It might cost him the entirety of Tundra
BZM the last to remain alive, but not for long. Triple kill for Morrell, two cores dead for Spirit
And it did require a buyback from Panto
And well, they can't get Roche, so nobody can get that at the moment.
But it is still good enough, right?
This is a game where you don't need clean fights, you don't need flawless execution,
you just need to weather the storm and you know that if this goes down the stretch,
I mean, Doom and Invoker are monstrous late game heroes,
but you have good heroes against them in ultra late game.
I think A.M. one of the better carries against these two in particular.
You're going to have double pulverize as well when double doom becomes a factor, so pure, just easy to get with DKB at all if he doesn't get everything off immediately.
I mean, credit to Tundra for finding the aim kill. I didn't think they were going to get him here, but 33 is using absolutely everything to narrowly get the kill.
And yeah, their collapse also on the edge of surviving, but dies to the Serpent Ward.
Not this time, not this time.
That's a really relaxed look.
Slight giga-chat vibes there.
All good.
I've been a big fan of BZM, and then he told me he was a big fan of Dota Cinema.
Oh.
And then I became an even bigger fan of BZM after he said that.
He hasn't talked to you since.
No, it's actually true. That was years ago, too.
I don't know what I said.
Well, you kind of stopped doing Dota Cinema, maybe you felt offended on a personal level.
True.
Here goes Roach.
Roach will be Spirit.
Well, I say that, Jornado.
Jornado is good at this.
They're too far away, though.
But Spirit don't know this.
They only saw Invoker, but they're going to call the bluff.
Something like that here.
And, well, I'll tape and throw out the Weed of Honor's protection.
It's kind of a clever play here.
They got it.
Meryl will claim a collapse of the VKV Ghost of Fall Rise, but instantly Doom!
Now the steering chase, I don't know, a couple of years Meryl can do whatever he wants without that Doom available.
Yataro almost dies just to the Cataclysm.
Fighting his time, looking to potentially re-initiate BZM.
Looks like they'll get away for the most part, Tundra, Livelift 4.
That is an expended Doom and Supernova though, and they got nothing.
So, the coming two minutes should be fall spirit. How much can they get?
You are?
Oh my, very nicely done. Infernal blade to fall, they don't have the damage though, surely.
You can just blink away at any time.
That was...
The self concoct, that was like the limits of the A we actually like.
He was so close to missing.
He hacks onto your Toro.
Ari, gonna get chased and destroyed.
Manifold actually expanded just for that.
They had a lot of damage to do with it.
to do with it all reflect
does a ballsy play from pure
fight against anand or in believe twilight princess
little reflection in the end of the offering of time for us
you wouldn't appreciate that reference because you don't play video games
that's right only make them
though the truth
and counter strike
one point six and five
and three
of this new shit.
No, not the new garbage.
You're a grumpy old man, you know that?
Oh, tower.
I'm under pressure. Missing the Manta timing here, Yatoro.
Speaking of old man.
Artizzi would have dodged that.
Father time's coming. Artizzi's a lot older than Yatoro.
Maybe my theory isn't holding up quite.
I have been.
well the lincoln's up and running twenty-six hundred into the bkb for you
toro
do you like that purchase
the bkb and i think it doesn't
uh... to me it feels maybe a little bit overkill
i think a pistol here what i would have been a bigger fan of so you can take
matters into your own hands
you don't have the most reliable stunts in your team except primal beast
but if you have reason i don't mind it is because he has another core that is
destroying which is
the ember spirit from morale
argue that both of them are really
if you just survive you end up winning this fight
without question it's not bad
i i think maybe it's a little bit too
defensive
it can absolutely work
roc roc knows that somebody's in the area
sure is
attempted TP
how's it going?
five seconds cooldown on pulverize
All right
The Torre going to show himself down bottom with the protection of Rue snapfire with blink four step and two cookies
You're probably getting away from doom. Oh, I can't wait for this axe
It is one of the coolest I love that one
The goblin being able to throw in a doom to get the
guaranteed stun into you, Lincoln's break with your mana break or whatever creep you have into doom.
That's the ideal situation.
Yeah, but he's in the other team, so it's going to be tough.
God damn it.
It was a good theory though.
It is good.
So throwing in, prime will be.
That's right, and then pulverize it.
That's a good combo.
It would be pretty sick if you could gobble up the enemy players and toss them in.
I don't know why that's not a thing.
You're only in them for three seconds, you only hold them, not a big deal.
Could you imagine?
It's like Walrus kick.
Well, it's like twice the range and a three-second stun while you swallow.
Okay, well, you make that part worse.
Sure.
You're gobbling up enemies and throwing them, that's hilarious.
The problem is you gobbled them TP back to base while they're hit.
Then you just mix the duration so you can't do a TP in time, or it breaks when you travel
enough distance like certain other things that are 2k capped.
You digest them that quickly and nice pulverize in the middle of the dive doesn't have vision.
Now okay, BZM, he shows up along with Pure and the egg is placed successfully so White
Mon shall live.
This is a bit of a distraction though.
Because in your base, Yatoro is wanting to go to town, forces out the BKB from 33, they
get the tower. How much more will they go for?
And the dodge is special this time.
Excellent. Age.
Appropriate. Mantis style.
Age.
I didn't know how to reverse it,
just to be perfectly honest.
I'm aging right now.
Father time. What's the opposite of father time?
Son, child, something?
That's child time.
No, that sounds bad. Let's not go with that.
I don't know.
I don't want to get any lists, although nothing happens to you if you are on it these days. Okay, it's like so whatever
There's a bachelor
There's the bachelor. Well, you're just changing the subject of course nice
So he is gonna go for that after the BKB, but he's still going to get a pistol
As he should of course there's I don't do is there ever an a six-slot of am built that doesn't have a pistol
I don't think so I doubt it. It's the best abyssal hero in the game in my opinion
So really yeah, I don't know who you hold your rate at higher on
These questions well you said really so you sound like you have a counter
It's just something I never thought about oh, I thought it's just like you just like to be contrarians
You're just gonna say really whenever I make a really that's how it would sound if I make
Oh, but you're like whenever I make
Instantly cancelled dog pops the pkb is pure going to town on a me a Torah
the binds the support they have a century as well so down goes Ari and pure
will follow suit that will kill for you Toro problematic pure is dead for a
minute and a half with no buyback and now without pure I don't think they
realistically kill your Toro even without ages they have to get through
counterspell linkins bkb snapfire with two cookies and four staff and a box and
And they don't have nullifier
That purge I guess
On doom 60 seconds long time
I swat to try and delay to start things out. You're just blinks through it
Any man to dodge this time no no age old man time
time. Just changing it every time. Whitemon gets out of the steering chains, Mortimer
is not doing too much. Thinking about going in still. They're not sure about the buyback
situation here. Okay, so go up here for the deafening blast cookie. Shield room balance.
Okay, time to test for old man time.
That's the old man time from BZF.
That's true.
Pretty poorly timed.
This is a pretty good delay tactics from Tundra, I have to say.
12 seconds away now for Pure.
With a little shred of the minus armor on the building.
Sportification.
Stalling, stalling.
They have the speed unit as well. They can likely get the melee and run.
Tundra would have to start to fight instantly.
Yeah, they will attempt to get away from the time being.
Actually, they're being contacted from pure into the cataclysm.
They get the one kill.
Yatoro and company kill off Ari.
And now, Tundra, they're going to have to back away, I feel like.
They're ready to fight.
They're primed and ready.
This is all without the Aegis, as Rosh will be up in two minutes.
So it's a bit of a later spawn.
They almost lost the melee wrecks.
Talk while that was happening.
It's like a quad wave pushing the top melee, but really yeah, I did survive so pure is gonna get three lots of money
33 he only sees one but yet or invisible right next to you now
They can try to go for him instead he blinks away in time definitely blasts applied to the snap fire glide near completely
Reflected. Oh my god
He left
Somehow both live yet Toro playing with his food a bit here. Okay, it's throwing in a creep
Excellent use of the axe.
We live wonder somewhere.
What is that?
Well, Panto is dying to pure that's a dieback.
Okay.
Uh, the kill we all expected of course.
What is he doing over there?
He was trying to set something up from the flank play for his team.
Unsuccessful.
Not the cleanest.
No, it's not the cleanest.
Morrell has axe now by the way.
He is.
Which we talked about.
He's 25.
He is.
Insane.
That's a... this is big of a power spike from an ag I think you get late game than any hero.
Really?
Sorry, I was supposed to react to true statements, right? That's what I've heard?
Yeah.
Radiant?
Oh yeah, if you didn't agree, you were like, really?
There's a difference in inflection here.
Oh. Really?
Really.
25 on AM as well, the blink cast range. Pretty standard here for...
Yatoro not the not a game. That's really worthy of two monoboits in a fight. So I
Have to say it. I gotta give Tundra credit here. They've stayed in this game. Yeah
It's a good time 15 to 39. How are they still in this game?
Very long respawn time for Panto, but with
Him back and Roche up expect that to be the next objective for both sides
It's good for him that he blinked to the right if he blinked more north his smoke might have broken actually
Don't know if they would have seen him though. They don't have any vision in the area. So maybe it was fine either way
But if he has one bad soul stun it could just be game-ending. I'd be very careful
Okay, he's gonna... maybe frontline? No.
They're not going up there. Morrell is fishing.
He's gonna fish up a chicken.
Very quick chicken, that is.
And the chicken will escape, but...
Spirit retained control of the Roche area.
Well, any girl I'm on has found, and look at the Agnes,
that they're being put to good use pure. Self-conconfigent.
They get the batch on the Morrell. Able to find his way away though.
Collapsing out the BKB, the trample right on top.
Pops the refreshers, so there's the pulverize onto 2
with the Wheel of Wonder as well, but they're not looking at him. Collapse dies as a result.
I'm gonna break up this fight a bit.
Without that final beast, he does have buyback if he wants to get back into this game. They have
the Outpost control as well. Oh, they got the HET. Can they do anything with it though? Shackle?
Excellent to shackle. Fox. Fox to save. Yatoro's fine. Meanwhile, 33 might not be fine. He's just
getting sunlocked right now. Nice tornado though. 33. Bist not in range and now again Morrell just
being CC'd to a heart degree but eventually 33 finds his way to the grave. Meanwhile Yatora using
his old four pure cataclysm right on top of them to pass as well. He doesn't have the damage right
now and the egg's gonna pop. It does. The sun ray right on top of them as well and they get the doom.
The Linkins doesn't matter anymore and that is going to be a dead AM. 33 walks away from the
explosion morale now concocted up pure takes that kill for his own and just like
that it's a four for nothing how did tundra win this fight how did they get
back in this game roshan up and running they should be able to get this for free
that is the difference an outpost can make collapse cannot buy back because he
has no connection point to the fight so tundra instead they can buy back 33 and
bring him in and get that doom off you're gonna see the replay here I mean
They're choosing to fight 4v5, right? Collapses dead. They could get out now.
They have everything to disengage, but they're trying... if that...
That's what baited them in, is this Doom kill.
If the scatter blast would have hit on Doom, he would have been dead already.
So Morrell is actually wasting a ton of time and resources going for this Doom kill,
and that is damage that they needed on the out.
Gatoro keeps trying. He's hitting like a wet noodle.
How much mischance is that on that radio?
25%.
Yeah, that's pretty bad luck, honestly. It feels like he should have gotten that kill.
I guess with the Sunray as well.
Sometimes the butterfly effect of Dota is just crazy.
One scatterblast miss.
Might have just lost them four heroes in a row.
Which could end up being the game.
This could be the game ending or the game turning moment where Tundra finally get ahead for the first time,
and it's off of hitting missing scatterblast on a stunned hero.
I've been there.
Are you serious?
But that is going to potentially decide everything.
If Doom dies earlier, they also kill Alk, AM lives, and Spirit are in firm control and
probably get the Roche.
That scatterblast missing is like 15,000, they're worth.
Man, this game's crazy sometimes.
Alright, well, tundra!
What do you think of 33 getting the Aegis?
I kind of like it.
I guess there's not that much value to having it on Alch. He probably also really wants all his slots.
Uh, transformation based hero, not great for him. You could have put it on Invoker though, I suppose.
But, I think they're kind of banking on BZM not getting caught in the first place.
Speaking of him, he now has the radial deafening blast.
He is in entering...
...beast mode.
Alright, let's go. Hey there, young man.
I think it's rewarded with the shard.
Should maybe also keep an eye on Alk's items.
If you can't really upgrade much more, it's time for some axe pooling.
Could be honestly really nice to get one on Phoenix against Pulverize, I think.
Oh boy.
Oh no, that's the dream.
Into the doom, Cataclysm!
He does not bid here, but yetoro's in trouble.
He's inside of a box, yulestuff as well, but he's going to tick out one way or another,
and Panto will follow his carry to the grave, and Tundra are just in the lead now.
What a crazy turnaround in this game.
He will survive there if Rue gets the spade off, but they're very quick.
When he goes in for the gobble up, they changed on him instantly.
He can't turn around and throw him out, and instead they just get additional kills.
Not only Yataro, but the two supports to boot.
Now it's high ground time and Doom with the Lackretty.
Surprisingly good at pushing.
Any hero with a Lackretty can hit hard.
And Serpent Wars will also do a pretty good job.
Cloverized, hitting a couple of heroes now.
Very long duration.
They actually take out Pure instantly.
And they're going to be able to get the egg it looks like.
Nope.
Just in time, it pops.
But now the Abyssal, Whitemon attempting to dive away.
another bash and the death of the Phoenix. Not over yet, says Spirit.
They defend their base, but the AM Vibeck is massive. If you find him one time with this
Doom, that could just spell game. And he has that Silver Edge to cast it.
Blank with a purge first, against the Linkins.
Oh, and Voker actually briefly showing, but quick blink out.
And Rue trying his best with...
I think that's a little bit ambitious, but if it hits, it's really cool for the Holy
Haxer compilation.
It's an old reference, Shannon.
Yeah, I know that.
Old competitor of yours.
Yeah.
Whoa, Dota, Syndra, who never was a competitor, huh, make sure of that.
That's a very monkey-o-like...
They're a high ground attempt, so 30 seconds for pure doesn't want to buy back, obviously.
No ult on the Mantle there, it wasn't cooldown, so couldn't ult it.
Old man, Syndrum, 33, showing him stuff.
The Invis expires.
all the Shudders gonna help in their cause here
pushing into invoke is so hard
yes it is
and they got another tower
the tower but not the Barracks
and again they got a range Barracks bottom
I believe
they still have a range
oh no they did get the melee
they got the melee ages ago
the range has been there forever
I thought it was the vice versa for some reason
old man things
So Spirit will be content with that for now. The Aegis is up for only another 35 seconds.
Oh, you're torn with the Orchid, so he's gonna go for Thorn now.
What did he swap out? He didn't have his boots on his previous item either, right? So what did he
have before? Was it just Battlefury, I guess? Oh, yeah.
I am
Outlive its usefulness it seems but yeah, the
Feevasion is really starting to get annoying for him. So yeah
what thorn is a solid choice
It does come with the it's kind of hard to use for much else than the truth right here because you're playing into
Lincoln's on Phoenix
Shaman has glimmer
I mean the other problem is you have like if you're trying to kill the outfit is berserk potion and chemical rage both
Yeah, the spell it's kind of hard to use but it's still you if you're like an item in this plot
What are what are you debating between is it that a rapier? I guess are the two choices fatalist is a little funky on a
F but it can work. I guess
I mean, how does that work so he's bkb'd
lead the out, the bloodthorn, do you still get, what happens to the evasion?
I don't think you get true strike against me.
You don't get true strike?
Don't think so.
But when it comes to late game itemization on carries, I am so, it's one of my biggest
weaknesses in this game.
One of many.
Yeah, that says a lot then, it's a really big one.
Play more turbo mode.
That's the thing, when you almost only play support roles, and then sometimes off-lane right, the percentage of the games that you've played where you get to that point and it's a decision you have to make is actually pretty smart.
Toro has been there countless times. A late game master.
No Aegis for either side. Smokes on both.
Well they collide, BZM.
The outskirts here. They see the meatballs.
Getting a meatball surprise.
The Tanto will show.
So the wording on Bloodthorn says that it provides true strike against the silenced target.
target. So they have to be silent for that true strength? I'm assuming and
they're not silenced because the BQB right now is still there. Oh that's a big fight!
Collapse, looking for the pulverize. Gonna get the ULZ off for BZM. Remnants are there as well.
BZM is already super low just from the remnant and now they're gonna use the pulverize instead
onto Pure. There is a buyback available, he's gonna be able to use it. Has a cataclysm.
Look at the sunray! Just destroying this primal beast. Pure, trying to finish the job.
Meanwhile, 33 uses the Doom, but not on the AM.
AM has free reign now onto this Alchemist.
Wind Waker is now on Pure, able to get out as a result.
Meanwhile, the Primal Beast finally drops
Collapse to the deck that's three dead for Spirit.
Itaro, Lincoln's pop, has the Spell Shield.
Going on top of 33, but he's gonna get reflected Doom now.
He will take out as a result Varell.
Slow to a crawl, trying to get the Remnant's Cataclysm
is enough to decimate him.
PZM with the kill, thanks to the buyback.
Into the pit now.
Bash is applied.
Alchemist in a lot of trouble, but the hex is there.
Onto Yatoro, he bleeps away just in time.
And now Collapse again!
The ball arrives onto the Lincoln Spark,
but he gets the onslaught onto Pure.
Falls to the deck, has the buyback.
Still has his ult now, because his fight has gone on forever.
Onto the high ground now.
Collapse.
Wheel of Wonder, the second used in this fight, by the way.
Not going to be used to full effect and now they will likely just try to get out of dodge.
The whip onto two, remnants away, Morrell.
He's kind of stuck in place now.
Big meatballs right on his face and he ticks out.
Two minutes, no Ember spirit.
Panto, next on the list and that's going to be three deaths for Spirit without buyback.
Okay, Tora's trying to cut the wave. They're gonna glyph that to stop him from delaying
this. 5v2. Gonna need some absolute magic from Collapse here. Hulverizing that Lincoln's
Phoenix last fight was...
Now it's 4 5-axis fourth on drop. Divine Rapier for 33, it seems.
Okay. He's looking to end it.
That's the first for me.
just want all the building damage they could get I think. This is about can we finish the
game in time. Antime just trying to look for the megas. He's going for tier 4.
Oh, alright. Well, Alchemist now has the Divine Rapier as well. On to tier 3, he's with the
help of the Serpent Ward. Looks like they're gonna have more than enough damage. Yatoro's
in the base, destroying BZM. That is a dieback for him and now the last tier 3 about to fall.
Meanwhile on the other side, it's not gonna be enough damage for Yatoro because he's all alone.
Collapse trying to buy as much time as he can. Egg placed as well with Mortarmas kisses right
on top. Yatoro's still working on the building. He's going to be able to get the last tier
forward, but the H&M exposed and almost dead already. Tundra should be able to finish the
job if they just focus the barracks. Concaution on shelf matters not. Tundra win game number
one. Despite being down 20 kills.
Oh my god, they look relieved to say the least. That looks like a team that feel like they
stole the game. That was unreal and you tore a lot of unhappy about that game. There were
so many things. They were feeling themselves earlier on Spirit. That's a real face-bomber
for collapse. Man, they had everything they needed and then some. And it just got outplayed.
Like there's no way around it. Thunder played exceptionally well with what they had in the
mid-game in spite of...
I have to say, it's a really rare moment for me to say this, so Morale 18-4 played amazing.
I feel like the Toros and actually in the end didn't have that much impact overall, right?
That's crazy to say.
Yeah, they're getting credit to Tundra, especially there.
I feel like they got so much value out of stalling and fights.
Tornados, deafening blasts, hex here and there, all their stuns.
The Toro had all the defensive items and still got caught.
What a game, Shea Mark!
Goodness, what a game, indeed, a lot to break down from that one as we had the absolute brawl towards the end.
It didn't start as brawl, or rather, maybe it did for the side of Spirit as they took a lot of kills,
but there's a lot to talk about for the second half of the game, I think, I'd say again.
Yeah, I mean, I was really impressed, I think, that I actually managed to do anti-mage in almost every single fight
for the second part, like, later half of the game, and it's really not an easy task.
Anyone that played this matchup knows that there's just so many ways to get out of your doom.
Or worse.
Yeah, there's the spell shield, there's the meta, there's the blinking out.
It's really tricky, but I think that I really showed his experience on Doom in the series.
And I mean, this fight was incredible, like pure surviving this.
Sunray, Miss Chance.
I feel like everything else has to come together for that to happen.
Sunray, Miss Chance, is a blind, right?
Yeah.
And then the Radiance is evasion now.
which means it stacks additively.
So that's why that looks so bad.
Evasion and blind stack additively.
Blind and blind, I believe, does not stack additively,
and evasion and evasion doesn't,
but a single source of blind
and a single source of evasion would.
Could do math.
So if you have 50 blind and 50 evasion,
you can't get hit, is that what you're saying?
Yes.
Yeah, so you can do some abuse
with the caudal blinding light,
or a phoenix apparently.
Yeah, yeah.
That's cool.
Yeah, that must have felt kind of awful.
But I feel like actually quite high level spellcasting and teamfighting from Tundra being shown here.
I mean, it's like that's the cool thing about teams being a little bit out of shape because they have it in them to pull it out at any given time.
It's not like they forget how to play Godota, it's just things aren't clicking for them to do it consistently enough to be winning every single game like they're used to.
What are you doing there?
Blood spades?
Is that an otter?
Yeah, it shouldn't have called an utter, before I started putting the blood stains on it.
A little weird.
Just a little weird.
I just started with red, it just happens to be red.
Actually that's peach.
Oh, it's peach.
Yeah, read the book.
It says so.
Oh, it's not much left though.
You're about to run out.
Look, doesn't this coffee look like it's somewhat red?
It does a little bit, yeah.
Shit, I'm about to run out, you're right.
Sorry, Cheever and I used everything.
I don't want to spread it.
Okay, well, let's talk about it though.
Yes, thank you.
Hey, Cheever.
Can I show my clips actually?
Yeah, I have a bunch of those really good doom clips.
I love those.
At least some of them.
Let's take a look.
Roll the clips.
Thank you.
Look at these beautiful dooms, alright?
You can play it on the back line.
They're going to jump on him so that he cannot doom his opponents.
Try to stun them as much as possible.
Eventually he gets the BKB off.
Insta key pesadine finally gets it off on the ham.
But that's what you got to do to get the kill.
They even try to protect him a little bit here.
But he needs to run.
They try to use the cookie.
But the BKBs were perfectly layered for them to get the doom off just enough time to grab that kill.
That is the base, that's the whack-a-mole that Tundra had to play to win this game, was Doom and that guy.
So not easy for this, especially with the monster collapse, figuratively and literally, literally in this game.
He played so well. They did buyback on anti-mage in this fight, I think.
Nope, maybe not. Sorry, barely see the top of the screen.
This was a very long fight. I would love to jump to the next clip if you can, please.
Hell yeah, here it is. Alright, check this out.
Trying to kill the supports, well now you have one less save to play with.
And as they try to defend pure, he doesn't press BKB at the right time, but he gets changed from full to zero there.
3-3 at this point is retreating. He's gonna have to doom the AM. He's basically just waiting.
Notice how he's like really lingering at the back of the fight. He doesn't want to show up until it's the right time, the right place.
And there it is. He showed up. He doomed the AM. We don't know how it happened, but it happened.
So I'm sure it was cool and well done. Well done by 3-3.
I mean, it's the key element to these fights, like he's so patient you can tell like he's
Maybe not this time, but in the only other fights he plays it really patiently and he waits for the right time to find the jump
I think he's gonna die here. I have a question. Yeah
My question is he buys back this right there on the side of thunder you got a doom and alchemist, right? Yep
So, aren't you supposed to, regardless of what else you do, are you supposed to at least have farm your opponents?
I think that's kind of like the way they came back into the game, you know what I mean?
Like they had a pretty rough start, Mirell obviously was like very fat on Ember,
and they kind of just slowly farmed their way back into the game playing the map,
like kind of doing like what they do best, which is smart decisions on a macro based global scale.
Something that's really hard to explain to people at home, but what makes Thunder so special is that when you play against them, you feel like you never see them, but you also feel like all your waves are shoved in your face, and you feel like they're just farming everything, and you're always under pressure to make something happen.
And even though you're free farming an anti-mage and you're free farming a collapse
It just doesn't quite feel enough and that's usually how they win their games
And that's what they did this game with an alcanid doom. So it's just amplified
Keith for a second there. I thought you spilled all that on your pants, and I like well
That's a ruin forever, but that is a box. No, they would just become top-died pants
Wouldn't be that definitely your normal clothes this best. That's fair
Just know that the paint is permanent if it does.
What color is that one Jenkins?
Black.
No, is it actually?
I hope so.
No, this is black.
That's purple or something.
Don't touch it.
Don't touch it close.
This is like, one extra button undone.
I was not this sexual.
That's pervive you.
This one is black, you are holding blue.
I did it stop when I was working.
Don't move too much, you can't see that.
This is not legal.
It's a healthy crop.
I think the twitch rules have changed over here.
Oh yeah, they did.
Oh, have they?
Yeah, I think so.
Nipples.
You can take a little bit of nip is fine.
Yeah, I'm really.
Man nip.
Yeah.
You see.
Thank God.
Oh yeah, you like that?
Yeah, that's really what makes the stream for me.
I'm thinking of witch Jenkins, let's show them.
After a game like this, we were talking about
when the answer games come out, you know,
you kind of know what type of game is going to be.
So I guess in a way we kind of knew
that the later stage of the game that was gonna happen at some point,
where do you feel like they're gonna go not with now?
Like, your spirit went for this, Antimage,
aha, we got you, obviously didn't work out, almost worked out.
I feel like they got kinda close.
They were so far ahead of early game.
Yeah, yeah.
The game looked like a crazy stomp.
Whoop.
The, our TV's are going a little bit, I don't know,
I'll just cover my mic a little bit, it won't come back to you.
But they stomped the early game, it was like,
collapses like a level 8 gank in the top lane.
Super early in the match. I'm just gonna say dude if you Toro can't win this game with anti mage stop picking
Okay, I don't I don't I don't agree with that
I actually think if you're spirit this game feels like quite a fumble because you have
Such a strong lead from the start. I think I don't know what minute was but it was like sub minute 15 that embers period was
all life and
They have first spirit
Traditionally, I would say like they generally struggle with getting their mid laner going and in this game
they had like he was definitely snowballing and it just felt like they
couldn't really like convert that into a W and I feel like for them that's
probably what they're gonna look at I don't think they feel like there's
anything more with the draft I don't think there's anything more with their
heroes it's just like why were we not able to take this like advantage that we
had in the early game and make it into a lead yeah one thing that I am curious
to find out this was a invoker was led true and we had Tanra pick it first
which is a very strong hero for them and of course it goes very late and it has
very big impact so will it be led through again and will Jenkins be able to finish painting his
tie-dye T-shirt in this hike that's coming up before game number two?
I'll take care of that!
The bad bloody time!
I can't believe it!
I feel a fire
Move your body closer to me, yeah
Let it come undone
Let the music stand as free, yeah
I see your love and that's what you bring it to me, babe
Oh, move that body, let me give you my love
Don't you want to be loved? Let me take you to the other side
Yeah, yeah, I'll be in the fire
When your body puts me, yeah
Make the world die
Let the music set us free, yeah
Yeah, I'll be in the fire
I feel the rhythm with your whole machine, fuck it!
To all mine,
The wake on moments got me next to see
Yeah!
Oh no, we can't get enough
When we dance in all our common lives
Yeah!
Don't be a nobody
Well your body kissed me, yeah
Steady, come up down
Let the music set us free, yeah
Have you seen this shit?
When we touch, the music's coming back
I'ma call it down
There I can't hear you
What the fuck is this?!
Back into my life
Let the music start screaming
Yeah, uh, brother, yeah
Lay
Flipping this moon with a shine on me
Won't crowd leave when I sigh on me
Stendor rips you just a bob-obby
Cover this loud, let it talk no squeak
Got a big slide walking like it on these streets
One step ahead, like a victory sweep
No cap on the spark when the lights are fair
Don't so fight, make the challenge seem safe
Here we go, huh?
Watch how we shine
Turn up the vibe
I'm the spark in the room when the bass go boom
It's my people, yeah
Yeah, we don't hurt
Watch out, we shine
Turn up the fire
I'm the spark in the room when the bass goes
Where are they?
It's been six long days
Since I saw you, baby
I've been in your house
and it's...
seconds...
to the back of my mouth.
Come on, guys, let's slap it off!
3rd League season 2018, one more game this week, we're in two games series for this first
game stage and we're in the middle of a game, I'm in the middle of a series I guess, and
it's characters, it's Tundra, first game was taken by Tundra, but if you only watched
the first half hour of that game you would not believe that because thunder I mean rather
spirit is doing very well at this part of that game so I'm sure they're gonna be fired up and ready
to go for game number two because they have something to correct they want to get a tie out
of this one as we are also doing some tie die I think Jankis did finish I did we've taken on some
He talks now, Perch is expressing himself, and there's someone else also very focused
on getting the tie going.
Let's see if...
That's what I call it.
You tie it up first?
Yes.
Oh my god.
Wow.
That's genius.
Yeah, wow.
I made this.
That's also a lot.
And it's like a dirty, moldy pair of socks.
And it's like a dirty, moldy, grass dot.
It looks like he stepped in oil.
You're being right.
I'm gonna do it again.
What color is that one in the corner?
This is black.
I don't want black.
There's not very much left, so I gotta...
Don't do that.
I have to...
I mean, use it.
No, because he also still needs to get his socks.
No, but he's using it also.
I thought it was probably...
He's expressed.
Creating.
I thought it was probably...
Oh, I have an idea.
Artists do like crazy shit with the paint to...
before they use it.
Put it in your mouth and spit it on the sock.
That's a great idea.
It's probably toxic.
That's hard.
The title that it comes out is probably really interesting.
Okay.
Oh, you know what you can do?
Sneeze it out.
Swallow it and sneeze it out onto the sock.
And then it's art.
I have seen...
You are onto something that a lot of creators do, a lot of random stuff with their paint,
like dancing around in it and lying on it and swirbling about things before they draw something.
I kind of like this.
I'm not gonna lie.
It's kind of cool.
It looks like a cow.
put some udders on that yeah I think we're good we only read left otherwise I
told you what man you used it all pieces I did I used on my udders wonderful
let's take a look at this drop we got invoker first phase ban so experiment
failed with that in mind yeah clean kind of sucks I feel like the invoker was
really dealt with well in the early portion of the game but I guess I just
I feel like they don't want to feel it, it's so annoying.
What does that leave in the pool?
Got people first fake, there's some jacqueroes.
Razor.
I think people stepped away from Razor and Viper.
Shadowdeam is a better example.
Save covers lots of bases, can be full but flexible, lanes with lots of good heroes.
Having to save, it's just always good.
There's so many times in the late game where you're like,
oh, they lost this game because one time this guy got changed on perfectly reverse damage.
If you just have a ringmaster save or a SD save, it's like, oh, you can keep playing the game.
Are you expressing yourself here?
Yeah, I've decided your tactic is not half-abs.
You guys all made fun of me for this, by the way.
No, you didn't. That's fair.
When I did this last panel, you had all of your things.
There always has to be one person that does something stupid.
And then you die and then everybody's like, well, he was right.
And you're the Nikola Tesla of tie-dying. So thank you. Thank you Jenkins. I knew you were always my friend until we played curling together
Well, you got to get better at curling my friend speech people are just not
Okay, that's the difference between you and me
Rules are made to be broken as they say
Rules are bent to be nudged generally with your finger
Slightly nudged, slightly nudged.
Michelangelo showed us that.
Oh, go for the Shadow Shaman.
We've got two Shadow-somethings on this team.
I personally love Shadow Shaman.
I felt like this hero was very good in some previous patches,
maybe overshadowed by the supports like J'Kyro and 3M Protector.
You can go for...
You can go for Chicken Fingers, Wind Elaine,
you can go for the Big Ward if you want that big damage
in a really annoying unit.
You have the unit, you have to kill, you have tower push, you have good disable, you have decent laning, you get the break talent, so it kind of makes it so that you don't want to pick up any of these heroes that can be broken.
Even something like an Abaddon can suffer to a Shadow Shaman. You break and you hex him.
And it's just a safe opening, right?
Like, you're covered against all these heroes you talked about.
Though, easy start.
Sox's, I think, Sox's Shousham is also uniquely good.
Are you, you mean?
Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.
He used to be on Tundra My Bed.
You meant, are you?
Anyways, they're both really good.
Soxha does have a good Shousham.
They are great at finding the right pick offs at the right time
to go disable the right person.
And so it takes a lot of foresight sometimes to be ahead.
Be where the carry is going to be in 20 seconds.
It takes a lot of foresight to do that.
I feel like my socks came out a little bit too dark, but that's just the colors we have to work with.
That's why he said socks, uh, because he was working on socks.
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah.
That makes sense.
All right. I feel like Ari, I mean, he said this in an interview, like,
when he came onto the scene, and I feel like he still does it.
Where he thinks the hero is good, and he'll just pick it until you start banning it,
like, no matter what. Even into a hero like S, that was a very good aim.
You hit me right in the jiblet.
That was like, that really jiggled my skin there.
I had no idea what that was.
I'm telling you, you know, you're a very good shot, which is not surprising because you're
American.
But speaking of American, English guy, Ari, he said in an interview, he will pick a hero
until every team bans it.
It's not about being good or being bad, it's like he just likes the hero and he's confident
that he can play it into anything, even Shadow Demon, who can do the single target save.
It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. It wasn't me. I'm innocent.
You're caught blue-handed, though. We see you.
Is that how you did it?
No, the first time I did it.
Can you show me how to do that?
Okay. So you got to stretch it a little bit because these ones are a little tight.
There's a bigger one.
That could work easier.
Like this.
Take a rubber band.
Close your eyes.
That is not it.
Production's throwing dude that was it. It flew right in front of your face
You take the rubber and you put on your two bottom your two bottom fingers
You're pinking your ring finger so wrap it around like this
Yeah, and then you're gonna pull this towards you like make like a gun shape
You're gonna wrap it around your thumb and you're gonna put it right on your pointer finger
And then just shoot you have to balance it's a little hard
You have to go right in the middle of your pointer finger and just shoot all you do is let go of your bottom two fingers
Do you can't do this if you have nails?
Oh, you probably can, it's just gonna be a little harder.
And the stronger you can bend, the rubber band, the better it becomes.
So if you're... or a band is not quite tight enough.
I can't aim.
You have to, like, really stretch it like this.
Oh, can it do like this? Is this okay?
I cannot tell.
No, it's because it's gonna be caught on your thumb.
No, because I'm gonna put my thumb down, right?
Oh, right when...
That looks... lately wrong, but...
How do you have it?
Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm doing it wrong.
I'm doing it wrong.
Alright, alright, alright.
Wait, but how do you make it? What?
You're putting it on your fingers wrong, Sheva. You're supposed to grab it like this.
Imagine it being against you, like you're...
But it's like this.
Yes, you put it in your fingers, pull, and then wrap around your thumb.
And then put it on your pointer finger.
And then when you let go, that's how you shoot finger of death.
Oh, it's so powerful.
Is it actually like this?
Yes, I think so.
What am I letting go?
Just don't point it at my face, please.
Like, oh, with your pinky finger and your ring finger.
Technology.
It's going to be fine.
I'm going to hurt myself.
No, you're not.
Let go of the bottom parts.
It went that way.
Nice.
Almost.
Congratulations.
I like this from Spirit.
Any time there's, like, Gadaw Shaman, Warlock,
you have this heavy team fight bullshit,
like, you know you're going to lose the fights anyway.
So you pick a hero that picks and chooses this fight.
Spirit Breaker is about pick offs.
You can always charge away.
You can also run in, like, soak all the shadow shaman spells
with the status resistance you have.
But then I see Spirit Breaker plus SD,
and I'm thinking, okay, between these two supports,
like, who the hell is doing the damage?
So then they pick Razor.
And I understand Razor does not have a good winner, right?
This is statistics, but in this case,
I believe that this makes sense.
It's a versatile core.
And Stania always says you want a flex pick in this position.
I said it one time, okay? He doesn't always say that.
Are you talking about yourself in third person?
Yeah.
Okay, carry on, carry on.
Yeah, go ahead.
I think Razor with Disseminate is kind of cool too.
You could argue that it's a good hero to do damage with,
since he is kind of like a front-liner anyways.
If you have Crazy Regen on the hero, plus Disseminate,
you're just reflecting all that stuff.
And I've heard you just said you can argue it's a good hero,
and if we take that in a vacuum, that's just straight up wrong.
He's three and ten, why would they pick such a bad hero?
Well, you're picking him later into the draft, that's part of it.
If you have single target disables that you have to put on a hero like Razor, you're getting zapped for sure, which isn't always a good way to start the fight, either.
So, and it's not just you, it's you and other heroes that you're getting zapped.
So, for a hero like Shabashaman, like he's basically locked in place in a lot of cases.
If he wants to throw casual hex on Razor, he can't.
He's basically like Shacklin or nothing.
I think it's just the point that it's hanging, it keeps hammering you on pretty much every panel.
You want to flex.
Stay one time, alright?
If you need a hero that can be in all three core positions, here is.
This is cool.
They didn't reveal anything.
What do you think about this, Brew Masters?
Winner, it wasn't great at the last tournament, but he was decently contested.
The hero has an AoE Dispel.
You can throw that down to remove some Shadow Demon stuff, some Spearbreaker stuff,
throw Razor in the air, maybe, for a couple seconds at a time.
How indecent.
The egg rush build is cool.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, also.
When you guys analyze drafts, do you ever like look at them and be like,
hmm, I wonder which lane match we're going to see?
Let's like step one.
That's what I do, because it's a fairly basic thing to figure out.
I feel like it's usually a pretty good start.
Thank you.
What do you think?
When you see Razor against the heroes he's going up against, where do you feel like he's
going to start in?
I also like, I mean, you're playing with a, probably, Spearbreaker, I feel like SP Razor
Lane is a good one.
Weaver being picked up.
You're saying Razor is not good against Brewmaster?
Is it Razor Dragon against Brew and Lane?
I see.
Is it Razor getting played mid nowadays?
It's all three.
I think it's all three.
And what about Razor against Void Spirit?
Have we seen anything from this matchup like Nisha from Team Liquid?
Their pants are too tight to whip that up.
Liquid.
They're doing very well in this matchup with Void Spirit.
Oh, Void Spirit does well in this matchup.
Yeah, so maybe we don't want to put our Razor into Void Spirit.
Yeah, that's what I was...
I mean, I feel like...
Should there not be a skill matchup?
I feel like Nisha is good as natural.
You think this is Nisha?
Yeah, but it should be 50-50, right?
Both of you are just pushed away.
Alright, so maybe then we don't want our razor mid.
We do like getting us the brew, but maybe now we're starting to think about other potential
lily pick weavers, so they don't think that way.
They think weaver's good against brew, right?
Yeah.
And that's how we break down drafts.
Okay, that's not how I did those things.
That was fantastic.
That was a fantastic segment.
Thank you for this, Nisha.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
I did really love that. I would also like to think about the final couple of picks that
are gonna come in from these routines. What do they need to cover with it? What are we
lacking? Other than a hero for pure, you know, what kind of aspects are they lacking?
Spirit's a little low on stuns, for sure. Their jump is bad. They probably want a mid.
decent against Void Spirit that's also a stunner. I mean DK is if you're low on
stunts but I also feel like early game they're a little low on damage like
burst damage. It feels hard to kill Brewmaster right now. I feel like if you're
if you're Spirit you kind of have this weaver lane that's supposed to just do
well against Brew but it's hard to kill Brew before he gets split off. Yeah that's
true. And generally speaking that's something that's kind of nice to have.
So here I was like Ember Spirit go down in value because they don't really give
that and you're more so looking at heroes like Jenkins that perhaps a DK though DK is quite low
damage and they don't have anything to throw on the stone so it doesn't feel great um you're trying
to think about ways to solve the issues that are presented to you because right now the problems are
I think brew to some degree even though he's countered in lane it's void spirit lockdown
issues you don't have any real like direct target stuns and then you also have to kind of consider
Rasta because you want ways to break the shackle, but you have decent answers to that already
So I think lockdown is really the main problem here for spirit and how do we kill voids for it?
And how do we kill brew maybe something that does okay lane against void as well with all of that like storm
But maybe it's a bit. What is wrong with this jug of water? No fucking way. He's doing this on camera
He's rolling for sure. He's drinking out of this before but it looks like he filled it back up
Do you think because you know you're supposed to drink like two nancy years of water day or something?
How do you how much do you feel like it's like in two and a half a game I think
Do you think he's actually in the bathroom? Is that because I was thinking he's in the closet
But maybe he's like sitting in the bathroom. I mean if you have long games
You know previous game was super long if he drank a liter of water during the game. I mean, there's no way
The gaming toilet that's a DX racer toilet right? Yes. He's already sitting on it
Safe we never know where he's a catheter. It's one of the two
Okay, they did go for the Ember.
I was a little bit doubtful of this hero, because I feel like it kind of has problems
in this game.
It's good against Void Spirit, but it doesn't really solve their brew problems.
They're doing the ignore the brew strategy.
I mean, it's the like, leave, leave Netta to me from your Toro, and you just solve the
BZM problems.
So I feel like Netta, in theory, should have a pretty easy time getting his ultis off.
There is one Spirit Baker charge and a Spirit Baker ult that can kind of prevent them from
getting his ult off, so he should be off to a pretty decent game even though his laning
phase might be a little rough to start off.
I like the Morta pick here, I mean it's very right click heavy on the team spirit side.
He should be able to do a lot of magic damage to these guys, and they don't really necessarily
like buying magic resistance on these heroes, I mean claps will probably buy a pipe, so
I don't know, I feel like Piers can do a lot of damage here.
Although we have seen before, Morta against Shattered even isn't the best, you gotta worry
about your destruction solution is hitting you, the ulti is going to make you immobile,
which isn't fun, it stops your 4 staff, so there's some negatives, but it feels like
a pretty defensible hero, one backed up by the overall strong teamfight of Tundra.
Yeah, you made me remember, because that was literally one of the first series we saw on
Monday, right?
With Mr. Jeterdemo vs. Muerta, but it was actually way worse than what we thought.
Yeah, it's a little bit hard to play against those times.
That's true.
I mean, she's very immobile, she relies on 4 staffs to move around.
And STELT kind of just fully counters that.
I will say, it's surprisingly a pain in the ass to play as Weaver against Maruta.
Like a lot of the time she puts the silence down and your choice is either to like stand
in it or to time lapse back into it.
She can fear you while you're Sakoocheed and you just run back faster because you're Sakoocheed.
It can, I think there will be at least once where Yatoro just dies to Maruta in a way
that it doesn't look like you tore them because the matchup is not that good.
Well, it is a time we find out if it's going to be a 2-0 or it's going to be a tie!
That would be so fitting with the theme as well, but let's find out how it's going to happen.
It's time for the game itself to spin as it is.
Thank you very much. Game 2 is upon us. Team Spirit vs. Thundra.
The last game was very entertaining.
Will this one match its energy syndrome?
We have a brewmaster, always an exciting pick.
Huerta as well, both on Tungra's side.
A little bit of switch up for Spirit.
They don't really have a traditional initiation off lane type here.
It's a razor with their spear breaker and Ember basically being the ones that are going to be flying in.
First of all, I'm happy to see that they didn't lose faith in the Ember after Game 1
Because I think for the most part, Meryl played great, and the hero is just very strong.
Lose faith. He went 18-4.
Yeah. Sometimes teams overreact when they lose.
Not good enough. Next.
Let's...
This guy and this hero might just be a very good choice.
However, the main adjustment that Spirit made was they're more lane-centric and have less teamfight.
And I think, in my eyes, Weaver is a really strong hero, this patch.
I think we've seen it way too little in this tournament so far.
You might think that it's a bit tough to play into a hero like Shattershawman,
which, you know, he has some...
Oh, wait a second, yeah, we might just get a kill here if we're...
Early bash from Rue, he's not gonna take his chances on another,
but the shackle onto said Rue, onto the North, he goes,
but that is gonna be first blood for Whitemon.
Pure will!
Only pops a fairy fire in the trees, he does die, collapsed.
Gonna take a beating from this tower, though,
and he will be taken out in turn by Whitemon,
who gets a double kill on Warlock, Senator.
Yeah, it's probably not worth it for Razor to die to kill him where it's here,
because Warlock gets a charge on his Grimmar.
That book is gonna be worth the read.
It's usually a book, as you like to say.
As you like everything to be juicy.
Wouldn't you?
Spirit have very little teamfights.
They have a lot of skirmish and some interesting hero combinations for finding kills.
Like you look over at the other side,
Brewmaster Oldt, Shadow Shaman, Pushing Towers,
Warlock, Gola Lemon, Fatal Bonds.
There's a lot of...
The two teams are playing two different games,
and I always think those games
get really interesting to watch
because it's about who can really enforce
the successful style for themselves.
Now, historically speaking,
it has been a lot more possible years back
to enforce, say, a split push style or a turtle style.
Dota, as of the last few years, is very hard to not have to play a big teamfight at some point.
But I think Spirit would like to avoid a specific type of fight as long as they can,
and then they're going to try to solve it with items.
Weaver needs probably a BKB down the stretch here against what I'm pursuing will be
Double Disables from Shadow Shaman plus an axe on Void Spirit.
Oh, this is going to hurt him actually.
Nice little catch. He gets Thunder Class as well.
is gonna likely die and it's to Ari's hand. Panto will try to get the trade in the 33, but he pops a fairy fire. Panto will top one of his own.
It's not gonna win this battle. As double kill comes for Ari and the illusions do not kill off 33.
Amazing start in this lane for Tundra. That's just outplay. They just... they catch the tower at the perfect time.
He shakuchi's through for the CS and then he gets shackled and uses the entire duration of his movement speed for nothing.
And afterwards he is in striking distance for both of them to get that nice kill and then yeah
icing on the cakes
He's getting an additional kill and on top of all of that. It seems like 33 doesn't even have plans to go back to base
He's sending out a healing sal on his courier
No more games that's a lot of like
You know it's funny that was an actually yawn too was it actually yeah because I can yawn on command almost
Wow. Do it right now. No. No.
Fetch your canes. I'm not going to fall for that.
Talk to me about the brew. When I look at it, I see pretty good usage of the dispell for the Ember and the Spearbreaker,
but more importantly, probably the tornado against, I mean, pretty much everybody.
Weaver and Razor just holding up in the air with, they can't do anything for extended period of time,
seems pretty annoying for Spirit to deal with.
Yeah, you could even argue the best Cyclone target is Ember because
then
Spirit don't really have very many ways of setting things up their lineup is quite reliant on chains
In order for we were to stick on targets in order for Razor to get off a full link. It's that and Spiritbreaker
so
In a good fight, I think the dream fight for spirit is one where either brew dies before he gets split off
Obviously, that would be great or they kite
for the entire duration of Split, which that's the good news for them. Their
heroes are actually very good at disengaging. Weaver is slippery, Ember is
slippery, you have a save support, you have a hero with just support with charge.
So the least mobile hero in their lineup, aside from of course the Shattered
Even himself, is the Razor. And that's a tanky hero, so he can hopefully
survive as he's currently walking the dog.
The dead shot made that plasma kill do max damage.
Not sure if that would have mattered, but either way, good kill for collapse.
I should mention, we learned the other day how good Shadow Demon is against Muerta, so
let's see how that works late game in terms of demonic purge just being really annoying,
not no mobility and the illusions created can actually hit Muerta in her ult.
of the innate that is.
Indeed.
Now my...
My biggest question for this game in particular is, how is Collapse going to do on Razor?
It's not that he plays a good Razor, we've seen him...
Eight out of nine?
What did Insanius say again? It was 98.
98 out of...
That's not eight out of nine.
Good try.
It's a very different archetype of strategy here, so it's not about the player's capability.
I'm not worried at all about his ability to play Razor.
It's how are they structuring fights when they're running this type of a lineup.
Sometimes you have teams where you have really, really good players in every position,
and the players have wide hero roles, but you're still used to one way of playing.
Ru will get burned out by the Shadow Ward.
You're so used to playing in one particular fashion that when you deviate from it,
the flow of the game just changes a lot.
I need to see this Razor work out for them.
Alright, trying to get a little sneaky.
Gonna heal a decent amount. BZM will join him, though.
It's a full shackle.
Nice route.
Nice dodge from BZM.
You know this is a 1 vs 3.
Oh, okay.
Well, does have to be a bit careful.
Careful dodges the tower shots, he'll live. Nice bash, Rue. Plan that one.
Very close call for Morrell.
And what does he do here?
Have to go back to base?
Yeah.
That feels great.
He could go for the bounty rune, but I think probably better to get a full refill here.
Especially, it feels a lot better to go back to base as a mid laner when somebody's already in early.
Because we know the experience isn't going to waste.
I mean, it's only lost one creep so far, so...
It's okay.
It might not be a disaster.
might be a part of the equation as well if he had more creeps coming his way
immediately or whatever he might have gone to the bounty and then back it's
okay to get some experience spirit breaker of course spirit breakers in
eight collapse interesting he killed off white monotony a cost of his own life
though pure wand action keeping him alive a little bit longer but pure gets
the better of him
Rui is actually going to continue with the charge, it seems, but actually the last moment.
Taro with the Shikuchi.
33.
Very strong through master player.
Not as good as he's doing apparently though.
Monkeys forever is going to be the best hand to play.
You heard he got a lot of praise last game though, from Insania, on the Doom.
He was very impressed.
To be honest with you, that's what really sets apart a player is having played so many different
situations and having such a deep understanding of your role in the game.
I don't think it's always hard to say something like this, but you put any other player in
his position in that game and I don't know if Tundra will win that.
You need a doom expert to solve the position they were in, so I thought it was very impressive
as well.
Whitemon Snag's the first power rune of the game.
He is currently the doctor and he's going to be reading a book relatively soon as well.
36 seconds of waiting.
I figured he'd have more XP at this point.
If he gets a wisdom and uses the book, I think he's level 6.
3-1-1, 5 charges on the book.
It's a thousand experience when you pop it.
It's almost two levels, so with wisdom it's absolutely enough.
But, Pantos Beans? A little cheeky here.
Shadow Demon, one of the better heroes for this, with Disruption.
Contesting the shrine.
I believe Disruption does not work if you're already standing in the circle.
The other heroes still count, so you can't just banish him to steal it.
Ohhhh, 33 shots of stuff.
They were ready for it.
Indeed.
The bait was counter baited by 33.
He's the master baiter of all Dota players in the rest.
As history would sing sing, so it does make sense.
To play together on stream, so I'm sure things show through the ropes.
Early 1k lead for Tundra, but the Wisdom Shrines were traded.
I'm looking for this level 6 timing for both 33 and Whitemon.
It's not just sick level 6, right?
Shaman Ward plus Bruce Blit plus Golem, bye bye towers.
You have no teamfight on the enemy team.
I genuinely think if Tundra want to, they can just go with those 3 heroes to a tower
and you have to continue to make things so hard for Spirit to fight them.
It's kind of one of the weaknesses of Spirit's land.
They don't really have this fat guy that could just sit in front real like spare-breaker kind of that's your support
You could you could build razor that way speaking of the golem into the shack will easy kill onto morale
His first death of the game and now like he talked about that's your one tower in peril
I don't know if I like collapse going this build on razor this game. I
I'm a little bit worried for them with not having oras
against the dire
And also you're playing Weaver and Ember does Razor also need to be a damage dealing core versus going say pipe greaves
It's a really good pipe game you're playing into Muerta void spirit
I don't know because nobody else is gonna buy it right like there's no other hero in their team that'll buy an aura if Razor doesn't so
I'm a little bit worried that if they don't match that part of the game as we talked about if tundra can enforce
what their lineup is good at, you're gonna have to fight them at some point for those objectives,
and if you don't have the Auras, can you even withstand the team fight?
Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know.
I mean, what do you actually think the build's gonna be for Collapsed, huh?
I think it's just going true. I mean, by the looks of it, he's queuing up Tread's BKB now.
I think the forward was Tread's Manta.
This is the ways you build Razor when you're trying to be either carry or secondary carry.
This is something that, say, someone like Amar would do.
It does feel quite greedy.
It's way less greedy if you have a different overall competition.
Shackle by...
Aether remnant.
Charge is coming as well.
Morrell wants to fight. No, he doesn't.
We'll get a little tickle in before he backs away.
33.
Some primal split after ready.
What kind of situation?
I assume these early fights you just get a plus one and you go for a kill,
But Ytaro is going to be pretty hard, unless it's the shaman.
As realistically as the only way you're really going right now is by using Shadow Shaman.
But in terms of early usages of Primal Split, like back in the day,
a lot of times you used to push towers instead of forcing fights.
That has been nerfed a bit though since that point.
How would you like to see it used?
I think gating top and splitting to a team fight would be nice,
because like you said, the Weaver is a tough kill.
That's probably the only real play now that the mid tower was already taken free 10 minutes with the other with the golem play
At the same time he can also you know, you know 33 as a player
He's happy to just farm down there and have ulti ready for five minutes
If he can just free farm and the other heroes take towers with serpent wards. They don't even need to use them
We're just walking around and pushing a rou on the run
It's off a quick charge, but will fall shortly after two BGM's hands
This tier one tower will be quickly taken by the catapult.
Good job, Cardi.
But that's the other thing.
From 33's perspective, do you really feel the need to use,
are you just fine with your content farming?
Do you feel like there's pressure to use the ult?
I don't think you ever feel any pressure to use any ability
if your teammates are winning without you, right?
thing. Unless your lineup expires, but I don't think so. So if you can free farm while his
teammates are winning, by all means. A little bit of a pick here on to Ori. Not the biggest
kill ever. Four collabs. That was a skill build here. This is becoming a lot more trending
right now on Razor. Just get one point in Staticling for the early laning and then you
max the other two for way more damage output. Razor's thunder hit facet.
There's the spear vessel for Meryl. Definitely off to a little slower start this time around.
It's fun to look at the net worth chart. It's like six completely even cores and then warlock is ahead by one a little over a thousand
That's basically the whole lead is
wipe on everything else is
Yeah, well the golem is back up and running as they find a little void spirit in the midst of the jungle
Get the shackled out from Ari, but he is the sacrifice along with his serpent words. It's gonna be some nice farm
For weaver and company looks like thunder still may want to fight
anything
A trap here gonna be orchid reveal on the atoll instantly will be destroyed
Nice job from 33 company
Yeah, that's a tower now. I didn't need to split again
The column will do it
How many times do you think room master is one of pro game without using old C?
A pro game.
Okay, second house.
Considering pop games, probably a lot of pop games.
I wonder if it's ever happened.
No, I doubt it.
What would the instant mean?
I mean, if you absolutely smash the laning stage and the enemy team gives up at like 10 minutes or something.
Yeah, but you're still hitting points.
Probably.
I doubt it.
14 minutes. This is an interesting timing for the dire line up to smoke and try to steal the enemy wisdom,
their composition. Let's see if they do it. They will indeed. This is kind of close on time if they
get broken on the way in. I don't think they're gonna make it there. No, definitely not if they're
slowing down to get pure on board. So this is gonna be for a fight instead. And they'll get this kill.
Already the Orcid producing two kills for Tanra. Really clever pick up 433 this game. I like it a
lot weaver and ember and shadow demon all victims of this item a very unusual
item I would say for a brew hey what what is the typical brew build
it's still some sort of radiance right but you can deviate in such a fashion as
this and play more in like control rather than damage and teamfights he has way
more skirmishing potential like this which is interesting to see right her
what we talked about with the play styles of the lineups in theory, that he is going
the skirmishing item rather than the teamfight item, when their lineups so good at teamfighting,
so perhaps his mindset is, we are so good at that anyway, I don't need to build into
that because we're winning that type of fight, so I would rather be better in the other instances
that break out, and so far so good, two kills with that Orchid that would not have happened
without it.
some pressure to this tier one but what do you think of this 25 talent for
through ready which one the one I'm about to make up oh I am ready what is it
you can use active abilities on your earth panda active items items you can
use like your entire inventory on earth correct 25 talent that's like super late
you're actually thinking about it yeah it's a good sign it sounds really good
but maybe not, or mega broken.
Alright, find some stealth and Ember, hex into Shackle into what exactly?
Aether remnant to start, into Orchid, no chance for Morrell.
Nice to get out.
Yeah, they're not gonna rock for Shackle.
They will rock for Collapse though.
As they can get him.
So you're on board with my idea.
I'm sick.
Per your norm of ideas, it's very good.
I mean, you know, there's a lot of stupid things added to Dota syndrome.
I know. I feel like I'm the odd one out that just doesn't appreciate the stupidity that everybody else loves.
I see.
I'm so smart.
Why this?
You know, three.
Well, why stop farming when you can keep going?
Am I right, fellas?
This is an item that was changed that we, I don't think we've really talked about too much, especially since we haven't cast in a while.
while. You don't get the extra XP anymore, it's just the lower cooldown
effectively. Yeah, so it's more gold less XP. How do you think this has changed the
usage in pro games? I'm seeing it less often of course, but it's still
occasionally picked up. It's significantly worse. Well, that thought's
in there, a dead shot. Alright, go ahead. It's significantly worse on specific heroes
that you bought it on for the levels, at least in large part. Like Phoenix would
sometimes buy it to get levels, get faster level 3 egg because that's so
strong invoker maybe buys it a bit less as another example and then you have the
heroes that traditionally wanted to buy it as well like OD but then you have OD so
true probably not gonna see that that much which is a shame I think OD is a
very fun hero to play and watch that's incorrect that's one of the most
satisfying ultimate in the entire game you have to agree with that
charge into nether strike to be actually have the damage but now the golem comes out
Well, he ran as far as he could.
He does get his primal split off, but it's just an exit strategy.
He's actually getting cleaned up, but the Storm Panda will survive, and thus 33 will as well.
And that's two big ults down for Tundra.
Yeah, mission accomplished, even without kills per spirit. That's very good.
This is them breaking through that teamfight problem for the next two minutes, so bare minimum mid tower.
Maybe you can look at Top as well.
Unfortunately, had this happened two minutes later, this could give them a Torm.
True.
But then the fight wouldn't happen there, because Tundra wouldn't have been there.
So that's kind of a moot point.
I mean, how slow is their rush with Swarm?
It's pretty slow.
Razor is great at killing Tormentor, but not Roche.
If the storm doesn't work on Roche, it works on Torm.
That's also not up anyway, but...
Yeah.
But that would be the thing that would kill the Roche fast, would be Swarm plus if the storm for Minus Armor.
They're very good at killing the Tormentor, so that's something that Tundra needs to be on top of, for sure.
But they'll have all their spells for it.
Serpent, interesting.
Yeah, that's one way to put it.
What?
What was that?
Did he really want to push that wave that badly, I guess?
Trying to get something?
Or a kid onto the ember, but a nice charge from Rue disrupting things.
So, morale will have free reign to get away.
Rue, it might cost him his life.
Nice steering chain, so next shot misses, so Rue should be fine.
Can my AXE need to TP to live?
It's really close to the Lotus.
OK.
Shadow Ward does some decent damage.
Thunder's still not afraid to fight despite not having these two big holds
They seem very intent on pushing out top lane as much as they can to set up the top area for themselves and
Job well done there
Effectively buying time to get in position
Actually, I can see me with this charge
rule
Okay connects initially into the nether strike
Oh, that is...
Unlucky on the chain.
Unless you just wanted to farm wolf camps.
If that connected, he might have used his pierced the veil,
which would have been a pretty meaningful cooldown,
as then it wouldn't be ready for the 20 minutes.
But let's see how this one shakes up.
So first split is coming off cooldown,
Shaman Ward's up in 25, so that lines up nicely as well.
Golem, similar timing.
all the big spells.
Yeah, how do you, if you're Spirit, how do you contest this then?
An ideal leader.
An ideal leader you have to jump into.
Ideal you jump in Razor and Ember together and just create insane amounts of space in the fight.
Because with the BKB on Razor, he's a tough kill right now.
You don't have much damage on Tundra's side.
Like their main damage source in teamfights is, and where to ult, that's just wailing away at people,
but it's not good against BKB Razor, he's just gonna run her down.
down so if you can set up the fight where your big boys in front spirit breaker charges in and
ember creates chaos then suddenly your toro might find the space he needs in the fight this is
also going to be a deso for him now has the shard already but the other option is just just give it
don't try but this was potentially possible for them to actually fight for
how badly tougher they're doing wow this is pretty awful
get it white mon okay well if the shard goes to warlock you probably don't like
that much that shard is not very good while channeling warlock spawns a minor
and every two seconds wow we it also makes the imp stronger on on a people but
it's just that most of the time in pro games you don't get to cast a people for
Five seconds, right? This doesn't happen, but when it does, it hurts. So, you know, I
Feel like
Weaver and spirit breaker are going to not live
You never know. I hope the next collaboration
You know how they have monster on her. Oh, I know it's gotta be with Blizzard
Then you can turn the warlock into bane links
Right, that would be sick the new update to Diablo 2 with a warlock class is actually on steam. Oh, which is
very surprising that's the beginning it's starting
i mean at her with the development of the tech industry probably one of these
companies will buy the other
true although valve have never been publicly they're not yeah
so private so i guess microsoft can't buy them
maybe if they offer a big enough yacht for a game yeah
escape and an island-sized yacht imagine
the new titanic maybe bill can woo
Gave over a nice dinner
He is getting farmed so I had my questions about this build
But so far so good in the sense that spirit haven't been forced to take the team fights that I would like to not have to
Okay, they're gonna try on to the brew again and with Hanto's help man alive
That's a lot of damage disseminate and the double burst from either coming out of invasions very strong. Yeah. Yeah, Toro is getting
Another pick here
Yeah, it's just gonna cost Ari's life
It seems though a good attempt on the other side of the map for time
You're just gonna turn to some ward farming although collapse not being greedy probably the right Luke's BZM was hanging around
Get anything here
I haven't talked about pure as the male Shamantha will be the hurricane pike after the fact
into what I can only imagine as a BKB yeah this hero just buys them in general typically
do not see the Mjolnir earlier then after all yeah actually that's true this is a bit
of a deviation from that.
Oh, they're going to try to force it.
Charge coming.
A lot of damage from the weaver.
He's going to have to pop pierced the bill if he's not careful.
Nice goal on the disrupts, bruised charge.
Actually does pop pierced the bill anyway though.
And with that, Spirit is going to be pretty happy.
That's two ults down.
I feel like Spirit are step by step pulling ahead in this game,
specifically because of the way I was imagining
the Dire lineup wants to play the game.
They are effectively farming on all three cores, they keep pushing out the lanes, they are giving up as few objectives as they can, they've given up three tier ones in the tournament but nothing else.
And they're getting to their timings, and now Brewmaster again.
Yep, nether strike on edge should be able to get up to fault this time.
Maybe they can't.
Uh oh, they got the fault this time.
And now it's the fire one primer run away and the earth panda will follow the rest back home.
Does by the Agnes Scepter before he dies, but it's still a costly death. They're starting to stack up now
I feel like Spirit are playing I mean they played extremely well last game
It's just you know, they dropped the ladder ten minutes or so
We're not within Stania's analysis of that game that they played
No, why that's a huge kill though great caster curse from cinderant
That has nothing to do with what I was well played spirit. Yeah mid dies right after man
incredible display that you have.
They didn't even correct me, it was me that said that.
It's Oral, he's gonna be done as well. Dost finds the distance though.
Now collapse with that ult. Donutown on the R8.
Attempted TP, but then there's corruption on the pure.
It's gonna cost him his life as well, so very costly. It looked like a
good trade across the board initially for Tundra, but they went into the enemy triangle
And then hang the ultimate price if spirit fancy at roaches crossing the river right up to them right now
It's like hey guys. I'm home if you guys want to fight
How does it mean they have decent amount of time? I hope they have a dead roo though. Yes, they do kill themselves on the lotus
And that's died to nether strike a rarity for spirit breaker, but
Yeah, so the dead shot missing there is big it allows your toros to get off his shikuchi and position himself
As soon as Razor comes in, this guy is already lost.
Yeah, I'm curious to keep down the stretch. I feel like Weaver is one of the best carries against Brumaster later when he gets farmed.
If you run through all of the broolings and you get that Geminate Attack proc from your shard, you have so strong king-gull target damage, he's gonna go for it!
And the Roche kill! Are you serious? No way, man!
How's that is that was sick?
VZM man for no one's fear. I'm just don't cold today. Okay. Let's not set something
I'd still I got the ages and roast guys. Yeah
Nice just any other whatever day today is you Toro
VZM
Everybody has that second life that they're striking might be burning it right away, and he gets up to disseminate
But Collapse is gonna find him as well. They're gonna try to focus down the warlock first easy end
Looks like he's far enough away to survive
That is a fucking important steal though on a Roche
Crazy play
How did he have the info for that?
He just pulled a collapse actually no collapse usually didn't he steals the actual
Ages but doesn't get the kill on Roche so he pulled the collapse plus
That's a collapsed plus plus for sure
Love a replay of that. I don't understand how he had to read if that was just flat out just a guess
Or if you had vision and that I missed
He did put a remnant in there, but I don't feel like that was before like well before
Yeah, I don't think I'm sure much vision that even gives in that case
That's why you try ladies and gentlemen what if what if he had just died
It's pretty hard for him to die, I guess.
They have no instant stuns.
They have chains.
True.
And this is where I have to say, in terms of the pace, in terms of the series, I think
the MVP for Tundra is Ari.
Yeah, his shaman is very good.
It has been.
He's been playing so aggressive.
Let's see here.
What vision does he have?
Okay, he did throw the remnant before. Okay, alright.
So, it was still a nice read of trying to throw the remnant then, like if you threw it three seconds before.
So, how much vision does the remnant give? Cause Roche was like towards the entrance of the cave.
If it was back, I don't think it would have seen him.
Uh, yeah, if Roche wasn't in the back, they might not have.
Is it actually that big?
I don't know. That seems pretty large.
Okay.
Just, Observer's just drawing random stuff.
Yeah, they're just playing action.
or primal split even use they want the shadow demon they'll get them
Congratulations, these broolings hit really hard. They're brewed up
But the axe
Can't hit the tower yet though, I forgot what this exit does
Gives you plus one level on hold and makes the brewing stronger because they're they have drunken baller
All right, who's that? That was the last patch that did this right the last big patch. I think so four of it's 740
Yes, he did, BZN. Looks like he'll get another kill to his name, 4-0 and 4, having himself
a great one.
This Razor is...
Well, he's not dying!
Effortless.
DKB Manson Satanic, first three items.
On collapse.
So what angle do you take now?
He's peering up the shard, and then it is refresher.
Stay alive forever is the plan.
So I look over to the couch in the studio.
We've got two from the production crew picking up the paint.
It almost looks like a forensics scene here.
Keeping track of the evidence.
Jenkins likely has done something criminal over there, so can't blame them.
typical
so this is not exactly what you're expecting to do when you're hired to do
audio and camera is it
that's good if you didn't say Jenkins I feel it would have been better
because I feel like I was I actually kept it vague they can use that over and over
you could just say idiot instead of Jenkins and then it's very I can
rerecord that the idiot part yeah later on
Just walk on and say here again is Ari and a very short duration shackle because
Well, do they have anything? No, it's now what don't see that every day
Museum initially being pursued by your Toro collapse is gonna greet him as well
They just don't have the stun lock without there's the shawarys all over the map
It's a full shackle onto your Toro. He's just dead
That is a terrible start to the fight for spirit. You're gonna clean up the shadow demon as well
And all they can do is attempt to TP the nightfall will ensure
The collapse gets away. Yeah, Toro was about 500 gold from Lincoln's is the ironic part about this
He did not need to do this. He was very close
To getting to a key item timing and then maybe could have his own control that got the Torm now instead free pickings for Tundra
another shard and this one is going to brewmaster so that's the liquid courage
you can toss a strong drink to a teammate or drink it yourself activating the
maximum power effect of liquid courage and grading 2.5% max HP region per second
now liquid courage is your innate which is a book so if you're curious using the
twitch overlay you can read how the spell works yeah I'm not gonna do that
I'll just assume it's good for him
Heals and statuages is always nice and slow.
So the thing that I brought it up earlier, and Spirit can obviously still win this game, but...
And again, I'm not saying Collapse is bad at Razor or anything.
I just... The most iconic games for Spirit are the ones where he's playing an initiator, a Mars type, a Mag...
It doesn't, it could be any hero of that archetype.
It's so much harder to play with good lineup like this, isn't it?
It's like, the skill cap is much higher to just get fights started, it feels like.
Yeah, it's a lot more in Rue and Morel to enable him.
Obviously, he had the option as Razor of buying different items to, if you want to try to play more of that initiating role,
There are some creative Razor builds that involve, for example, Hex.
Uh, which is still a possibility for him to get later.
But currently is queuing up the Linkins.
Which, I mean...
He's gonna get a rampage like next fight after we set this.
I mean, really though?
Are you gonna buy BKB Man to say Tannog Linkins as your four items?
That seems a little bit...
Defensive.
No?
Maybe. Does he need it? Maybe he's buying it for your Toro, so they have double Linkens,
perhaps for the Weaver to really enable him. But like you pointed out, you have to be able
to start the fights for Tiefenmatter, right? Or you're relying on Tundra running into you
and you out playing them. Which is, of course, a viable strategy. They will have to push
your base to win, but I kind of like Spirit the most as a team when they take initiative.
I think they are one of the best late game teams in the history of this game, and a lot
of it comes down to the clutchness factor, but it's harder to be clutched when you don't
have heroes that enable that play style.
Like who can be clutched in this game?
It's mainly the guy dying right now.
museum opens things up onto the Shadow Shaman again, or Shadow Demon rather, Panto, another
death to his name.
8k lead for Tanya. This is slowly growing in their favor.
Roshan about 40 seconds.
That's pure. We'll get a very...
It feels like Ari is in... How many assists does he have?
Like seriously, 3, 5 and 13 right now.
16 out of 20 kills, not bad. That's insane.
He has the items for Blink Aetherlands and now he gets
the Hex Breaks talent, which
is very good against Razor, breaking Storm Surge is quite nice in fights. You can break,
I guess you can break Gemini attack with your Hex already, so I guess that doesn't break Bash
with your Hex, you know? Yeah. If the Sheep could bash, that would be really cool.
Very methodical approach for Thunder, just get a pick off here, pick off there,
Tower, now in their favor, Mjolnir for pure, but Agnes Scepter on morale, so that is the
big power spike for the Ember Spirit.
Yatoro in the meantime, what does he have?
Has the Daedalus Deso, Lincoln's as you talked about will be going for the BKB next.
Can sell the Falcon Blade obviously for the BKB, so he's not really that far away?
It's pretty pitiful that he has four charges on the Deso.
How did he buy this item?
Nice.
What?
Is that the celebration of the double wisdom?
The celebration?
Production loves pauses because they get to play.
Oh, my belly shows there.
That's really embarrassing, Cinder.
Oh, I think it's great.
Oh, thank you.
Oh, man.
Refresher pretty soon for 33.
that is, I feel like we've seen two Bruce Blitz this game because they haven't been that much
funny. It's mostly just getting pick offs with Ari setting everything up usually.
All right, would you like to read Liquid Courage now so we can all learn? Because I actually don't
know what it does. I mean, I'm good. Okay, you know what? I'll do it for you. But it will be a
dramatic read. Do a soothing voice too. Yeah. Actually, can you do your British voice? For
For those that don't know Cinder and actually legitimately used to have a British accent, can you bring that out again?
Used to try to have one, it didn't sound great.
Don't be afraid.
When brewmaster drops below 50% health, he gains a status resistance buff.
And his movement speed alternates every one second between being faster and being slower.
The effect becomes stronger at lower health, scaling from 0 up to max values at 20% health.
Max status assist, 20%. Max speed slow, 10%. Max speed increase, 30%.
20 cooldown, 50 monokits, 800 cast range.
7.40c, Magan and Shard max HP regen per second increased from 2% to 2.5%.
7.40b, max speed increase increased. What?
I definitely zoned out halfway through that.
Anyway, thank you for that dramatic roadie.
You're very welcome. Here comes Razor.
And they just run away, lol.
Stun him, Collapse. Stun him now, Morrell jumps in, nothing.
Collapse running away. Kills a ward.
Deadshot hits Yatoro, facing the wall, Blair Witch style.
BZM will get ensnared, immediately lotuses.
Lots of de-wards on this cliff, as everybody's trying to set up for this incoming roche.
Are we close to any items that are going to be picked up in the next minute or so?
Dr. Pzm.
Oh, that's the biggest item you can get.
I saw that.
Might be one of the best doctors in the game actually.
It's very, very good on that item.
Ah, here I'll.
Where it's a closing in on Daedalus, I think that is a really sick timing for Tundra.
They have so much overwhelming damage and I mean, given how this game is gone in the
last 10 minutes, they're probably in a good position to try to enforce that type of fight
by just going rogue.
Like in Spirit has to come to you, surely.
Alternatively, you get the job.
Opening in on 2, Murrell, but he pops the BKB to avoid the Orchid.
He exits though.
The Primal Split activated from 33, dispels the Bulldoze on Teru, attempting to get out of Dodge.
Looks like he's gonna get found first though, so first death for Spirit.
Now if you can look at Collapse, he's just taking so much damage.
Completely destroyed.
Now Yatoro trying to get away.
The Ward Trap onto the Ember Spirit with the Shackle as well.
They're gonna use the Golem on the high ground, but they get the kill they came for, which is the Ember Spirit 33.
Second brew split activated gets the stun and another kill goes away of tundra and bzm
Four for nothing. That's just a total outplay collapse got nothing done
He can't static link them where it's a because she is five for nothing
When I get a team white, why don't you?
Like basically so Razor is running in and he wants to link them where it's a she is linked no one can break it for him
He takes half his health and damage, pops PKB, and then he dies.
Press the Taniq and die.
See, Taniq on Razor is not very good unless you have damage stolen.
And, well, I mean, he didn't.
And now the high ground, pure AM alive.
Ready to go. They get a big item in the Agnus Scepter for BZM, who just polished off his Ultra Kill.
33. I'm not sure if that was the actual reveal of the refresher, but it sure has
some huge impact. I was thinking about going for the Throne, but where's my
so sick when she's pushing with the line. It looks so cool. Gunslinger. Quick work
made of those barracks. Now the Roshi-she lead for Tundra. Yeah, this is a pretty
strange graph to look at in terms of the goal. It's like the game floated for so
long and this period had one bad moment and okay we stabilized again and then
then they had another panel.
That's literally just two even teams for 30 minutes,
and then Tundra's just better.
You're seeing the replay here.
So keep an eye on Razor.
Collapse is going to run in, and he just
gets kited by the entire enemy team.
They reposition, they wait for Brumas,
which will work his magic, and get the damage done into Spirit
breaker.
And now Collapse is going to run in, pop his BTB,
can't free anyone, and just die.
And then he has to say, Tanik, die.
Literally nothing done
That's
That you relatively mobile cores just not tanky not initiators
Art it just makes it so hard to play. Yeah, I think it's they they have the skill to do it. It's just it's not happening this guy
You need to in order to have this line of function
You need to have very decisive engagements where spirit breaker and ember connect so you enable razor
If the enemy team starts the fight, or especially, I think when Spirit Breaker is the target,
you probably just have to dip, just let him die.
Cut your losses instead of trying to help SB, because when he's not an active part of
the fight, I don't think you can win it.
He's so important.
So you're only stunned.
So if you don't stun the heroes, Razor can't really do much.
And I mean, we haven't talked about that much in depth.
The Lincolns is just incredible this game, right?
You can't get charged.
You can break the linkins with charge and then start a static link, but guess what, more to...
She's just gonna pike away then.
So...
It doesn't really matter. You can only get the damage drain on her if you have the stun.
And the stun is one guy.
Tough times.
Gonna get tougher.
Yeah, I mean, they're gonna press the issue here.
They know they have better team fights. They're just aces in there.
Alright, 33 is like, hello!
Into the base we go
And the pure is just going ham the gunslinger is so sick in the base level 25
The dead shot for the road easy tower kill
Collapses gonna pop this BKB try to initiate with by running in he just died
He just dies
That's all it takes
And now pure will try to take out the thunder clap finishes them off 33 a company have got this game in the bag
GGs call Tundra, 2-0 Spirit.
I'll be honest with you, that was a little bit sad to watch, actually.
The last 20 minutes of this game, because the game was building up to be so interesting and so exciting,
and then Tundra were just way better in the second half of that.
That was... it's kind of weird that two teams can be so evenly matched for so long,
and then afterwards it just looked like they were tiered below them entirely.
Now this is such an easy game in the second half of the Tundra side.
A couple of key moments to break down for sure later of why this went wrong for Spirits like this.
It's important that game, they actually looked okay economically if they could find the fights on their terms they had what it took to kill heroes, but they just didn't get a single good initiation.
Like, look at these damage numbers as well.
Cura and PZM are both doubling the enemy cores.
Spirit just never got anything going.
Never strong anything together.
PZM had that ultra kill, 8-0 and 12, Auri.
Every single fight that felt like he was involved in this complete beast as Tundra.
2-0 Spirit!
They did 2-0 Spirit Tundra.
I feel like game two was the tundra way where you think you're okay. You think you're okay and tundra hit their time
Oh, yeah, I mean this series didn't start looking like tundra was gonna pull off a game like that
but yeah, this one was
Pretty clean cut. I grew at the casters like MVP for this game for me. It was definitely already
It felt like in you know, you have the timings of course of the course
But the person that's starting every single fight and also every single gank leading up to those timings is
Ari on Shadow Shaman so you can see why
They prioritized it in the draft despite Shadow Shaman not really being like that great of a hero
It's just the classic Ari. I am good at this
I feel like playing it and I'm gonna style on you in the games and until somebody can
To all that
Hunter will probably keep looking like this if I could mildly disagree with you though
Like I think Ari won them the mid and late game tempo, but I feel like 3-3 won them the early game tempo
Like the Orc and Pivot I thought was very wise for what they needed to do
Like if they didn't have Orc and they weren't getting kills on Weaver
They weren't getting kills on the enemy mid hero like that felt like that small change to change all of it
I don't want to disagree with you, but I also want to shout out a BZM
I mean we're gonna highlight players if you look BZM had a fantastic game on the boys spirits
Orians, San Diego
Who's the last who's the last guy that you have to shout out and disagree with us?
I feel like to be honest whitemon was the one that really loved this game and he doesn't get enough attention
I feel like not enough people mentioned that he's the best five in the world
I heard someone mention it just yesterday. Yeah, that's not enough. I do believe that actually it should be said at least once
I think the people generally say quite a lot
Yeah, but it should be like at least once per time. He plays the game. Okay once a series
carries.
Per game, he plays precisely.
Literally, okay.
Every game.
Yeah.
Okay.
A lot of glaze.
I mean, he was Warlock.
Bro, did you see, okay, he had like minute seven or something.
He came in and he dropped the Golem and they got mid tier one tower from Fortress.
Whoa.
He did that.
That was crazy, dude.
It is actually like quite a skill to drop the Golem, determining when you're gonna
use the book and then drop the Golem because if you, it's always a surprise factor.
It's like, what the hell?
There's a level seven Warlock in my lane.
If you can get that surprise factor, you can get a tower when any other support is not going to get you a tower.
I am mildly disagreeing with you here because everybody plays against Warlock.
You know he has the book. You know he's going to use it to get his uses level 6 when he has the stacks.
That shouldn't come as a surprise if you know that.
Because he's like level 5 and then all of a sudden he's level 7.
It's like there's this uncertainty of, yes, you know in the next two minutes he's going to use it somewhere.
But you don't know when it is. It's like the uncertainty of Roche.
There's like Roche is uncertain. That's why I said mildly. That's a great mildly. Okay, fair enough
You did say mild you covered the bases their verge
Yes, I did and bases that I want to cover is the consistent playstyle that I'm seeing from tundra
Because they keep doing the same darn thing every single game these guys love
playing
For the tormentor because they don't even look at it as like a choice you little
Item that what they care about is the money that it gives you by them not having to buy the damn thing
And eventually it'll be the course so they always do these early plays they they move all of their heroes basically except for 33
Because he's got to hit creeps they move in the top lane and they take this tier one tower a tower
That is normally ignored by many teams
But this team prioritizes a consistent even drop these circle words here in my opinion to defend the safe lanes
Just try to shut down like a minute of creep waves so that their opponents couldn't continue push and they showed up with all
Their heroes to defend and what does that unlock means their opponents can't get remotely close to their tower
and thus teleport to defend the Tormentor. So they wait until their opponents are showing somewhere else,
then they can just take it. It becomes a little bit easier for them.
And then R.I. later on the game, I'll run the 30-minute mark.
We'll guess what's coming up soon. Tormentor might be part of the reason that you got aggressive here on the map.
They weren't successful with the SP kill in this case, but then you instantly TP top,
and you got this great shackle on your Tor, which opened up the game in a huge way.
So your Tor would have loved to have the Aegis that he deserved to have there.
So, and then after they win that fight, what it is again, there's another Tormentor.
These guys are just methodical about taking this thing that they can increase their their net worth game
They do love farming the map and this is one of the great introductions that normally they get with their bones
Don't get it. So you it's kind of a little swing the best team
So I have like a meta hypothetical question for you if you had to talk to 33 in an interview
Would you hypothetically ask him about the tormentor?
No, you can do it. You wouldn't do that. I'm not hypothetical. I said hypothetically you could talk about the trauma
to be like, Oh, great. Okay. Oh, well, let's do don't be just that. Hello, Netta. Good to
see you. Congratulations on the two. Oh, thank you. I have to ask one game question so people
don't get upset. But of course, as the mechanics expert, I'm going to grill you on mechanics
right after that. So orchid brew, what led to the decision there? Because I felt like you guys had
quite a lot of like good disabled void spirit shadow shaman where to why did you go orchid
in this game versus another build?
It's just a build that sometimes I do against we though, because this matchup is honestly really tough for Boop.
And if you are able to get the orchid in like a nice way, then it kind of helps fix it.
It's not only just killing him, it's also like I mean, I can silence him and then press ult, so I don't get fucked by the bugs immediately.
And, yeah, it's kind of nice to buy, especially this lane because this game, because the laning phase was so long that I could make a lot of value from just the HD region.
Because me and Weaver are just laning 1v1 for like 13 minutes. It's pretty unusual. That's why I think the off-build is like an every game thing, but if you are able to make use of the region, then it's pretty nice.
What was the reaction?
Guys, could you, could you?
Like, powerful?
Yeah, Toro's there in real life.
Okay, so the next question that I have for you is regarding the Tor Mentor.
I'm seeing a lot of these good teams, like you guys, really valuing the Dire Tier 1 Tower.
Is there any, like, change in play as an off laner, or change in the way that you're picking,
Based on what side you're on and like where the tormentor is going to be do you think about that when you're when you're drafting your hero?
No, no, no, I just I don't take care of what they didn't and I we kind of choose it a little bit randomly
We used to pick diet again now is sometimes big radiant
Yeah, I don't know okay fair enough fair enough
It's just a different side same shit, okay
I personally felt like prior to this tournament, it was a very get fucked in lane meta for us off laners
where you're playing against like Jekiro, Trian, Warlock, like really hard heroes to lane into.
I guess my first question is, do you agree that that's how the meta was prior to the tournament?
Were you just like, you're going to lose lane as an off laner pretty much?
It depends I guess. It can be a bit of a tough thing to kill all the fucking time and wall
lock. It's pretty annoying. I don't think anything really changed. But yeah, this hero was just
broken.
Yeah, there.
It is what it is.
Okay, my next question, final question, a little toss at the purge, is about starting
items. I've also noticed a lot of you very good off laners that you, Amar, some other
people are going lots of stats in lane, like many gauntlets of strength, many branches,
sometimes starting even like no tangos at all, just full stats. Why is this the build
now? Or do you agree that that is the build? Is it related to tangos?
Same way, it's the other way around.
I think it's pretty hard to do no tango builds nowadays.
They're pretty greedy.
I think, at least for me, no tango has been the default for the past three, maybe four
years.
You almost never want to buy tangos, you just want to maximize your stats because you have
to make better use of the tangos that your support gives you.
But now, because you cannot really do that anymore, you have to be pretty creative and
find ways to make item builds that still feel good but you also have to buy the
tango honestly it's been pretty difficult I've been putting a lot of
thought into like the starting builds recently even after I feel like you
know before this tango change the tango and the brine change I had a pretty
clear idea of what's like the best build that's kind of been like you know
time tested for like years but now there's a lot of new new variations some
people are getting verifiers, actually there's some people are massing
circulates, I think, yeah it's kind of hard to say what's the best starting build
right now, like my favorite build the one triple punch got kind of killed so yeah
I think no Tango builds up pretty hard, it's kind of greedy, if you get attacked
before the lane or even at the start of the lane and you have to wait for your
tango still alive yeah that can be rough so yeah I guess some people still
they agreed it out and they go for it but you get punished if you fit with that
yeah I've seen a mar he does the two-circuits wand or two-circuits stick
and then rest branches that that's what his build is currently yeah that's been
a very very popular build before but I think now I don't feel like it's very
good okay to be honest fair enough okay we got some questions for purge for you
I have a brewmaster question actually, I know why you went orc at this game, but I feel like most brews have been going Midas-Aggs, and I was curious why radiance has fallen off as the brewbuild.
Before you really needed the radiance to actually threaten people during your ult, and now you don't, you kill people with the Aggs, so you don't actually need this radiance as an offensive item.
And also overall, the hero kind of changed a lot, you cannot really play as a front-liner anymore
because your passive is a hell and the way you have to load it up is a lot weaker, like you cannot just go to a wave, use your Q, farm it and then hold your W until when you need it.
Like the moment you're going to pass any spell, you already proc your passive and it's also shorter, so it's pretty difficult to play as a front-liner.
So, you don't really scale the same way with the Radiance Mantar.
This build is a lot worse, I think.
I tried it a couple of times after the patch came out and I thought, they killed this hero,
this is fucking bullshit, I'm never touching this again.
And then, yeah, I kind of realized that the axe is actually broken.
And then I thought that it's pretty lame that the hero is only about the axe now, and they
They killed the other version of playing it, I guess, like playing the map, and Lydian and Manta, and kind of scaling in that way.
But, after a couple of games, honestly, it's pretty fun.
I still like the hero, even though it's almost a different hero.
It feels.
Gotcha, thanks.
Thank you very much, Ana. Always interesting to pick your brain on these things.
Congratulations, and we hope to see you again here.
Bye bye.
Thank you, Insania.
It's not on me, Nara. They didn't let me talk. They didn't let me talk.
That's not on me.
Raise your hand.
That's where he's from.
What do you mean?
There's really...
Correction said, wrap it up.
I was gonna ask if I could ask something after Kevin was done.
Wrap it up, wrap it up.
But I will just have to speak to you without you being able to speak to me, Nara.
I think your doom was really, really, really nice.
I was very impressed.
It was a hard doom, I think.
Look into the camera and say, he's looking at you.
Look him in the eyes.
Nara, your doom performance was amazing.
performance was amazing. I think that's a very good job. I was impressed.
Very good. Let's see who's performance also was amazing. We can take a look at the group
stage standings at the end of this day. There are just two more days. Actually, one and
a half more day left here in this first group stage. And it's getting quite scary for, I
I mean, mathematically out is not yet the case, I think, but three teams, one and seven on the side of group A is like, there's a big oof, agreed with that.
And then there's also on the bottom side of group B, especially with Team Spirit, just getting O2'd by Tundra.
Two teams that are two and six, and a one and seven as well, I feel like that's going to be really hard to dig yourself out of that one.
It is. I mean, it's basically what five good teams, five teams performing well on both groups.
So, makes us tiebreakers a little bit less likely right now, but it's hard to say who's
going to be the team that gets left out.
Aurora still undefeated, by the way.
ParaVision also gets two extra victories at the end of the day here, which is extra nice
because it is Dukalus' birthday and I forgot to tell him happy birthday when I did an interview
with him.
He's watching.
He loves watching the broadcast.
Does he?
He was the Biggiver fan.
Love me more after I forgot.
He was the Biggiver fan.
So I write that all the birthdays
for people at the start of the season
and then I just straight up forgot
to call this as well. I didn't forget to write it down.
I just forgot birthdays in general.
He got the best gift that anyone could ask for
on his birthday. He got the W's.
W's? That's a great gift.
W, W and Shatford you call us.
Happy birthday big boy. He's what? 20?
Uh, no.
24. 16. I think he's 24.
Well, I'm about...
He turned 20. He literally now turned 24, yes.
Let's go!
That's why it's on the panel, guys.
Let's go, Likwuk.
That's the hard-hitting facts right there.
But, yeah, those were the groups.
And let's see who predicted some of the games today correctly,
because here's the predictions that we've had going in.
Definitely wasn't me.
And I think Spirit Navi did actually tie,
so I got one of them correct.
Only Jenkins predicted BB team is going to win.
Jenkins is just going opposite of what he actually thinks on everything.
To be honest, look at the amount of people that thought Yandex was going to 2-0 today
and they just got...
Oh, dude.
Yandex has been farming my predictions.
They have.
Like reverse farming.
Reverse farming.
I keep believing and they keep letting me down.
Why have they fallen off so hard?
They are defending champions.
I mean
Honestly, I feel like
Sox has been like, you know, so incredibly good
And now I feel like he's at a more normal
Sox a level. Okay. I feel like he was like one and a half Sox's
Before and now he's like what a lot of socks. Yeah, yeah, let's take a look at what it does to our leaderboard
Those are points that are added to SVG on top of five points. I will say that's not that's only one improvement from last from yesterday
I feel this is this is wrong. This is this. This is the same as yesterday. So this is not updated
Lies I don't want to know the
Good that one had me in that in the on the left side, so I was on the right side
And I am probably still gonna be on the right side, but I still had more points than yesterday
So let's take a look at what's coming our way tomorrow
Like I said one and a half more day of group stages that we might still have tie breakers
So maybe two full days more of this group stage, but we're having four streams once again tomorrow. This is the earth stream
We got ourselves
Ya called double header and an extracuration double header coming your way pain tundra
bedroom and spirit also featured on the earth stream and
We just call it is this the toilet bowl the first one that's the toilet bowl
Everybody wants to watch that that's gonna be mega interesting. We'll see which which team gets themselves out of the toilet there
Well your storm
Ah, any toilet bowls here? I mean, OG, Aurora, come on, that's a goodie.
Even if Aurora wasn't absolutely popping off now, going 8-0,
that would still be an interesting one, because everybody loves watching OG.
Probably the most interesting tier 1 team to watch currently.
Innovative. But Aurora, I mean, come on.
In one other Dream League, would you see this and actually think Aurora is the team...
Actually, we're OG.
You say it, but you're not.
Aurora has Kippy Coat, right?
Yeah.
No wonder they're doing good.
There you go.
Keep you doing this as coach and we want you I that's why you're high-fiving me. Oh, you're supposed to read this
Okay, sick. So we got that but this is the liquid
Now he versus miles a little fire anything. Yeah, it was I don't know
I don't know what's going on heaven. Just like pull out his hand towards me
If everybody at home can own since you guys couldn't see it. We have that boom versus liquid. I think
That's a pretty fun series to watch
Should be a quick tool for Dyer now V mouse
I think this is like kind of like cool matchup to new school teams kind of really popping
off this year so it'd be fun party versus Aurora is like a classic you know the big
dogs yeah he's got the better teal logo who is the top two it is the top two yeah so that's
the death in a watch I'm telling you today as well to Ember stream just has
buyers Ember is cooking what is this cooking on the mainstream perch mainstream
the index pair of vision should be well based on the results so far probably one
sided but maybe index love a chance to defend their honor Falcons team spirit
is gonna look really solid likely for Falcons there's there's form has been
excellent oh gee like what is really good I can't read fast enough what was the
fourth one what was this camera angle I couldn't see it I don't know what the
That's the bald cam right there.
Actually, we all...
There's no bald.
None of us look too bad right now.
No bald on the camera.
That's a generous camera.
Fine, look at this one.
No, don't mess with the other one.
There we go.
So, where are you?
Now they can see what we're looking at all the time.
We can look at ourselves here.
This is what I've always wanted this one to be.
Is that little green light over there, I think?
I should my rubber band set it.
Okay, if you were looking into it, and I'll tell you if it is.
Yeah, it is.
Very good.
Here?
Yeah, that's it. That one. Yeah, great zooming in on something on Jenkins. Oh, I see what's going on here. No, I see you do
Groovy, baby
Get the chest there in there
Let's make sure that they won.
EWC Leaderboard, while we're at it, because there's a lot of points on the line, and if
you get eliminated here, Bottom 8, you're going to be very sad, because you want to be in the
top half of this Leaderboard, or in the left half, rather, because then you don't have to
play scary, spooky qualifiers, and, um...
Wow.
Yandex is certainly making this interesting, aren't they?
Well, the thing is, so Yandex won the first Streamlink, which puts them very high up,
Obviously on the points, highest on the points.
It does also guarantee them an invite for Birmingham,
so they can take points out of that as well.
So even though they are doing terrible right now,
like it's terrible, it's pretty bad.
They're fine.
They got a lot of points.
There's a high chance that even if they don't take
a single point out of the season anymore,
they're still likely good.
I think in past seasons, it was kind of top heavy.
It was like six teams would kind of get all the points.
And then like the seventh and eighth
would barely squeak through.
So I think they're probably okay.
But with that said, there's legitimately like eight teams that are I would say good right now that have the ability to score points.
So it's it's the hairiest season for Yandex's position that number seems like it's getting higher and higher.
I remember there was like four really good teams, then six really good teams, and now we're up to we're up to eight.
Yep. People are just becoming equally skilled in this game.
That's interesting. Yeah.
We have a very many teams that are good against one team, but terrible against the other.
A lot of different styles are able to work right now rather than just one style that is rain supreme
So that's also very interesting. This was a very interesting day of Dota 2 as well
I would like to close out on the other camera. I was way more fun
Yay
Now we can all look in the camera and wave because this is the end of the show and tomorrow
We'll be back with more dream
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