Oh, some song, bassline kicking with the beat
And on the top, black belt, did you hear it with the disco strings on it?
Oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun
Let's bust scabs on the lift
Yo, me and my team, we incredible
Let's bust scabs on the lift
Yo, me and my team, yo, we special
So let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go
Tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight, tonight
Come on, come on
Who's bad, we bad
Who's bad, we mad
Oh, it's bad, you're bad, turn it up!
Yes, yes, yes, yes!
Let's go, let's go, let's go!
Right where I wanna be!
Let's go, let's go.
J-Zone, I'm deep in my zone, spread love, you'll be making it known.
I'm really feeling that we go together, cause it's all good times, yeah, now I'm forever.
In the booth or in the club, wherever I go, I turn the music up.
Whatever the day, I make waves, fake dreams, fake moons, fake love.
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow.
Good times for all you'll be letting it show.
Hands to the sky, yeah, I feel it so free.
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be.
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cool breeze, I feel real nice
Star shine, you'll be lit up tonight
Good vibes, and I'm bullet like ice
And I'm cool like ice
Baby, when you look at, look at me
It's a magic what you see
Tell me it's a love or just fantasy
Am I dreaming?
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow
The time's all you'll be letting it show
Hands to the sky, yeah, I feel it so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, break where I wanna be
Yes, yes, yes
Break where I wanna be
Yo, let's get it
Let's go, let's go
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Feel the battle
Dance and move in time
Just like you got to
Watch me dance and sing
Feel the battle
Dance and feel alive
Just feel the battle, go on and go on and feel the battle
Watch me dance
I'm feeling lighter, I'm finally feeling like I can breathe
The night is calling attention, go blowing a breeze
We're rolling downtown, we're grooving to the sky
We're rolling downtown
And we can't figure it feels so right
I think I might be scared tonight
I'm gonna go out of a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
You ain't nothing doing this to me
Now
Go through my closing
Tell my crew what's up
Just wanna party
Ain't nobody looking for luck
The music's popping
The speed is stopping
Feeling alive
Head to the strip
These wheels
On a lot of tonight
I'm living in a fantasy
Come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease
Let me know that you're feeling me
I'm living in a fantasy
Come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease
Come on and get it down
Hey, rollin' down
Hey, feelin' to the sound
Rollin' down town
We get a feeling
It feels so alive
I feel like it's gonna stop tonight
I'm gonna go on for a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
We're losing our say in life
I'm gonna go on for a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
Just give me the beat, I just wanna move my feet now
Just give me the beat, that's all I need
Just give me the beat, and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't go for free
Don't have to eat like an oven baby
Give me that oven, ain't need one to lose control
Go in the beast, stop pumping in the party
Keep jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your crew
You know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got something major in my life
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet down
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet down
Just give me the beat
I don't want to step in your toes when I see you moving
I don't wanna let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
I just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for you, get a new smear
Turn off the heat like I haven't really given that love and ain't me wanna lose control
Cause when the beat stop open and the party get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool, then you know that you're doing the right
And if you ain't in the mood, I tell you what to do, got something major in my life
I think I'm just gonna be
Just gonna be
I've been nice to my child, feeling lonely
But that's the way that I am, with the word out to my love
Every morning when I wake up, I wonder what
Nothing feels so right, nothing is too deep
Oh no, no, nothing
Changes, so like just now
If you stop changing, I'll turn off your hands tonight
Baby, please, I'll turn off your hands
They say it's so hard to find, someone special
The world can spin any round, if I want out of, my love
Every morning, every day, I wonder why
Nothing is new, nothing is new
All around, all around everything
Change, change, change, change, change
Like, change, change, change
Change, change, change, change
Waiting to fall, waiting to move
I can't wait to go to the moon
Maybe
I can't jump, jump, jump
I know the lactic paradise I found in one rock
Bouncing around my eyes I felt the urge to
It was a gift I paid my dues and grabbed my dick
Man, I thought the best adventure
I'm on my way, head on, take it away from me
I'm on my way, it feels so carefree
Let's take those stars and skate to the future
I'm gonna run my plans for the best adventure
It's the best
The best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
And when you take the time to really slow
Don't blink back and then on your way
Just have a watch and a need, this quick extraction will get you back on your feet
I'm on my way, and I'm taking you in baby
I'm on my way, and I'm soaking free
Just waiting through the stars and speaking to the future
I'm on my way, and through the best adventures
I'm on my way, I'm an agent who takes you through
I'm on my way, I'm a black brand new
Let's wave through the stars, let's meet through the future
I'm on my way to my best adventure
Best adventure
This is the best
The best adventure
I'm on my way
And I'm taking you with me
I'm on my way
And the sun can't breathe
And I take those times
And speak to the future
I'm on my way
To the best adventure
Let's go!
That's adventure!
Yeah, uh, fella, yeah
Play!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stepping in smoke with a shine on me.
Oh, crowd lead when I start on beat.
Feel the rent, still there's a vibe I keep.
But it's loud, let it talk, don't speak.
Got a baseline walking like it on these streets.
One step's in, like a victory, sweet.
No cap on the spark when the lights up, babe.
Don't so afraid, make the challenge, he's shit, yeah.
Yeah, we go high.
Watch how we shine
I'm a spark in the room when the bass go boom
I'm just walking around, yeah
Where are they some points?
Yeah, uh, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah
Step energy, that's my lane
Trips, lil' queen, and it's all my name
Got a groove so stick, make the doubts all drank
And then what's built, that's a permanent flame
Hands up, feel the pulse when the kick drum hits
It's not the cost
It's not the cost, yeah
But it's not the cost
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I'm just a dream
No, I'm the one jumping chair
This is the day that I must say
If I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, you don't have a role
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we seek in the woods we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, I love as no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go more
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I don't know why, but it's over now
So let's just say goodnight
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Enough, enough
I don't know why, but it's over now
So let's just say goodnight
Ooh, did you see that girl?
I saw it first
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you
Don't mean no one I stand got a final way to be a man
It's something about the way you turn and look at me
You smile and turn me on and set my mind at ease
Trying hard not to stare, don't want to look thirsty
Just trying to play it cool, gotta show you that I'm hurting
You walked in all the air and seemed to leave this room
I just had to find a way to get it next to you
Here, justify, think it's a chance to satisfy
Yeah, we can play at home and I feel like a moth
Don't wanna piss me off, it's a one-hole cut
How's that? Checking me out
Try hard to figure out what I know about
Watch me rip out all of my keys, stay in the shop
Got a dollar bet first, so I'm gonna take it right out
Woo, it's hollering at the moon
Peek-a-kicking like a fool
I'm bothered as you sit through
All the nonsense they throw at you
The type of thing no one interests me when it comes to you
I can't wait to show you that my love is true
Don't wanna miss my chance
Would you mind if I took your hand?
I don't know the floor, baby, wrist dance
Extended cut, DJ, make it last
But the only ones I hear was so into this groove
Intoxicated by the way I'm body-building
I've been telling my old hey
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
I'm in my living room, I'm in my living room
No one pulls me out, cause I'm never gonna get out
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
You're checking me out, try to figure out what I'm all about
Come on!
No one will make you stay in the shop
Never gonna leave the place you're taking me down
I've been telling my old hey
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
No one pulls me out, cause I'm never gonna get out
I've never been more like you
Just get up and touch me
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Just get up and touch me
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Just get up and touch me
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
Hear the sound
Relax tonight, I want to be where the party's coming
We'll take our time to know
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL and CheX.
Time to start another day of a dreamlandest season of 28, as we are getting past the halfway point in a group stage 1, Effie, Cap, Avery.
Welcome friends. You got a phone call cap in your pocket?
I don't know. This is Avery's bit.
Avery's... I didn't do anything.
Avery, is your favorite comedian, Carrot Top, because you love prop comedy?
No, it's not Carrot Top.
It's not?
Good joke, though.
You truly feel inspired, though.
Who is it?
Carrot Top?
No, the favorite comedian.
My actual favorite comedian?
Yeah.
Well, it was like 90's Chappelle. He's kind of a...
It's true, I don't know how it is.
I think it's in a great direction.
Carlin was a great too.
I identify a lot with Carlin.
That is my favorite flightist.
Some Bill Hicks probably as well.
I was never a Bill Hicks.
But he's just as nihilistic.
Yeah, but he was never a fan.
Hey, Dr. Carlin was not that much as a nihilist.
He was just realistic.
That's a perspective to take if you agree with his...
Who doesn't agree with him?
lot of people unfortunately.
I feel like the older he got, the more and more cynical he became.
Probably true.
I mean, he's funny, but I don't consider him the funniest one.
He's just the one that resonates with thinkers the most.
Sure.
People will understand that the world sucks.
Very, uh...
But it doesn't suck here at Dream League, anyway.
This is your escape from reality, everybody.
That's what Dota is for, my friends.
This is how we escape from the pains of our daily life by playing a video game that makes us all so happy.
Oh man, every time I queue for a game, I just have a big smile on my face.
There's a really dark intro.
Nothing has brought Avery and I's relationship closer than playing Dota together, right Avery?
Oh, I thought you were going to say something else.
I actually don't see you jerking that much these days.
Yeah, Austin, I don't see you queue at all.
What? I'm playing more Dota than you? What are you talking about?
It's not true. I'm a Smurf.
It's a leave it all. I leave it all.
I leave it all to the players.
No, I've never Smurf. I've never used an alternate account once in my entire life.
I have 40,000 hours on my Steam main account. I've never used it all.
So take that! All you Smurfers out there.
Good riddits.
You actually have 40,000 hours.
Yeah, I do.
40k, not Icon hours.
40,000 in the thing.
Idle hours?
I'm sure some of those are idle, but I never idle a lot.
Like intentionally.
Like I was one of those guys who left it on overnight.
Okay.
You know, that's cheap.
I never left it on overnight.
You earned it honorably.
That's right.
I fought through every one of those hours miserably to be here.
So that someone in Twitch chat can go,
Who is this guy who knows nothing about the game?
40,000 hours putting to it.
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
That's actually insane.
Like, sometimes I question the entire reality of the noticing.
I want to add to your watch hours though,
because I want to give you a peek at what happened.
Yesterday on a dream league season 28 group stage show one because as I said
We are getting a little bit past the halfway point
Couple of teams are separating themselves such as mouths getting a victory over falcon
What? I know mouths get good again. I'm so confused. They're good and they're bad and they're good again 2 p.m.
Yesterday they got good
They have only dropped two games this entire dream like one against pundra one against spirit
They are 6 and 2 right now and Falcons got too old in this series.
Did they steal Yandex's energy?
Did Immortal Faith perform some sort of cursed ritual?
They wanted to zap all of their underdog energy?
I guess that must be it, because I was looking at the expectations for today
and I was like, okay, let me look at how Falcons are doing,
and I'll see if I can make a prediction.
And they got too old by mouse and I was like, I don't know what to make of this now.
And they lost a game to Gamrelation as well.
Yeah, but game religions are good.
And I think Falcons budding against them is pretty hard, but I actually just watched the series while we were waiting for the day to start.
And I feel like now as a team, if you give them the heroes what they want and they get really strong lanes, they're just going to play really fast.
If you take away like one or two of their key heroes, they don't look as good.
But they've got their tree in NSF, for example.
Oh man, they got tree in it, okay, then I'm not surprised.
So they're group stage warriors once they get to play Austin teams like put a little bit more effort into
drafting and such and preparing for the team you think
They fall off a little bit
I don't want to be unfair to them. I think they just look a lot better with certain heroes than others
How far they can take the run as you saw in that earlier highlight
Nafi got a 2-0 against Extreme Gaming and this series was Liquid versus Aurora where if you
heard me during the intro, Aurora are currently undefeated right now in this group's game.
No.
Coming all the way from Division 2.
But my personal hero, Quinn, said that they were the worst team in the world.
How recently did he say this?
He said it a week ago.
Before they wanted to turn it down.
Well, I learned to take anything Quinn says with a grain of salt because he said that
it was extreme statements, like, close to the most extreme thing on our player, and
then I asked him about it, like, two weeks later, like, I never said that.
He said everybody on the team was frauds except for Makoto.
And then they won a tournament without Makoto.
And then now they've come into Dream League and they're dominating.
And now that you've maybe just kicked Makoto because they're doing so well,
that was one of the worst predictions I've ever heard in my life.
It's actually astoundingly bad.
Well, welcome to the talent scene, Quinn.
That's what it's like, you know?
You make some sort of prediction
and you just be made a...
One day you're in a TI final,
the next you wake up, you're the next Kyle.
That's...
That's life in the Dota.
Rise and Lose.
That's life in general.
Yeah, that's life in general.
One day you wake up and you're Kyle and you go,
man, how the hell did I get here?
I had so much promise in life and Berv and...
We look on both of these people,
Well, some of them slightly laugh at me, yes, yes, very loved.
Or you can be a team...
Why are you laughing so hard?
You can be a team spirit.
What do you wake up in your Kyle?
That's like the hardest I've ever seen her laugh at me, like I said.
I just, I imagine like you're just having a nice day,
the next day you wake up in your Kyle.
I mean, if you're Kyle, the next day you wake up in your Argentino.
That really does go there a lot.
He's a nomadic individual.
that every day Kyle wakes up he wakes up as Kyle think about the horror of his
existence this thing it's brutal I apologize I love you so much you should
apologize you don't know come on let me call him up alright can you see that why
are the numbers on the bottom it's a trendy rotaries bring up his number
Hello?
Mushy Mush.
Hello, is this Swinobounds?
Oh shit, it's the base police.
Who are you talking to?
Hello?
This whole conversation needs to be under investigation from the base police.
Hello?
I said they're looking for you.
I know, it's why you should talk to him.
I'm okay.
He's not here right now.
Can you take a message?
Yeah, I'll leave a message for him.
Don't worry about it.
Kyle, we love you.
A lot.
You don't worry about it, Kyle.
You're a casting partner?
Yes, I do love cops.
There you go.
I actually hung out with him a long time ago.
Really?
Where'd you guys go?
You went to prison?
Argentine prison?
Wow, I didn't know.
I didn't know you visited in Venezuela.
But you know.
Anyway.
Mirage.
There's probably some new listeners.
There's probably like one in like 10,000.
But there's probably some new listeners.
There's probably like one in like 10,000.
But there's probably some new listeners.
like one in like 10,000, but they're like some pretty like,
who the hell is Kyle?
They just prompt into Dota 2 in like the last year or two
and they're just like, who are they talking to?
Well, we know Kyle's not watching
because they don't get Twitch and sell walkie.
So, okay, we need to move on to this topic now.
F.A, I noticed you're wearing a very, very white shirt today.
I just wish that shirt had some more colors.
Do you know how we can add colors to shirts?
Could it be tie, tying and dying?
Tying and dying.
with blood meal, you shake them and they bleed a lot.
Avery, you really, you really need to take it down a few knots
cause we're on the morning shift.
I thought you were about to have a carry scene.
It makes blood.
Yesterday, as a part of our tradition for this dream league
of having different tasks during the event,
we were tying and dying some shirts.
Didn't get to see the thrilling conclusion yet though
because apparently this is a multi-day process.
We just did the tying and dying, but now they got to do the drying.
Did you watch this?
What is happening?
Like live. Did you watch them in this live?
This was out of control.
This was actually, I would like to formally say this was out of control.
And I'd also like to say Kevin took that extremely seriously.
In a good way or a bad way?
I mean, he was just very, very competitive.
He was directing everything.
And I felt he was stressed watching.
We gotta get away from this. We gotta get away from this. Hold on.
Wait, now I'm stressed out.
I need some help.
Cause they did the fox too?
You gonna phone a friend, Cap?
Hello?
Disco Steve?
I need help.
Disco Steve, we got all for you.
Out of this utter conversation.
And he has answered the call!
Holy shit, Disco Steve!
When you've been wearing the outfit I picked out for him.
S.P.R. fashion.
Disco Steve.
Oh, it's a pleasure.
Thank you very much for delivering today's task,
I can fresh out while you do it!
Can you find my dad? Disgusting!
That's it! My phone is...
Oh my god! Disgusting!
Oh, that's old! These are new!
Read the task for today, I think!
Okay.
What do we got?
God, I'm accidentally sitting on something.
Don't sit on something.
Dream League Bake Off.
Great Dream League Bake Off.
Create the best looking cake.
Back the layers high and use your best creative sense
to make a cake worthy of Twitch Top's approval.
There are two points up for ground.
A whole cake.
Oh yeah, it's the whole...
Oh yeah, it's from scratch.
We're making an actual cake.
I've got flour.
I've got...
I should be very delicate with this.
I've got eggs and butter.
start cracking I've got potato starch and a baking powder I've got sugar I have
bowls oh my god this is gonna be a real British bake off where it just you know
gives us hardly any instructions you just have to make it your own make 20
cakes in three hours, get ready, get set, bake.
Do we have an electric whisk?
We have an electric whisk also.
We don't need that shit.
And last but not least, what in the fashion?
That's right, boy.
What about the cake decoration?
Is this is a really counts?
First we have to bake the cake.
Then I perhaps they will bring out the decorations.
Then tomorrow maybe is the decoration.
I'm under the impression this is a one day task.
Okay, you guys better hurry the hell up, they baked this cake!
They do!
Yeah, actually, we do have to start with the cake pretty early on.
They do!
The show in three hours.
Oh, no worries!
What's up?
There's the oven!
Do any of you have baking experience?
Yes.
Really?
Yeah, I actually do.
What's your pastry of choice if you have to-
I trained in a pastry for over a year.
I can't tell if I'm messing with you.
I'm not messing with you.
I legit have ample baking.
What is the DL?
Why did you dream league?
What is the measurement?
This is why I will be excluding myself from those challenges, I would be unfair.
What led to you one year out of French patisserie?
I don't know what the other is.
How will Europe be in measurement?
Do we have measuring cups or spoons?
Yeah, where's my teaspoons and tablespoons?
I only bake in American.
Everybody bakes with teaspoons and tablespoons.
Oh really? Damn.
I remember that was an American one.
It was an Indian one.
You have baking experience?
I cook a lot, but I'm not really the baker in my family, to be honest.
Everything has been pre-measured, so that's a relief.
Oh, it's pre-measured.
Oh, great, this isn't easy.
Flour in, eggs in, mix it up, butter in, sugar, drip it in slowly, so you don't over-contude it.
Making powder in.
Four eggs.
I'm not an egg cracker.
What do you do, favorite?
What's wrong with you?
I'm a leader.
You delegate a meter of men
request
She's got it on the carpet man. Oh
That looks disgusting now
You guys are doing such constant. Oh my god. Actually, that's what eggs indestructible man
Way too hard
We're missing yoke
The floor is going to be a mess, by the way.
Relax Austin, you're not in the military.
Should we have waited until the floor is covered?
No.
Of a kindness?
That is an electrical ass.
You can vacuum out that.
And I said, are you sure?
Don't worry about it.
Leave the eggs on the floor, I was told.
Technically they have the arm on the floor.
Technically they're on the electronic.
I'm really sorry to tell you production, but the eggs have already hit the floor.
Just a small bit.
They did a lot more than the floor.
Just a tiny amount.
I guess it's cool, but I will say it's not healthy
Well, that's why I'm not a cracker
Let's let's take ourselves off camera so that a paper towel can emerge randomly by looking at
Journey that we are going
For events are going to be making the journey to the eSports World Cup
Dream League Season 27, 28, Birmingham, and Dream League Season 29.
And...
Who's gonna make it? Perhaps a leaderboard?
Apparently Aurora could shed light on that.
Because they're dominating.
And apparently not Yandex even though they're top points.
Because they're floundering.
They'll make it, hypothetically.
There's a lot of four opportunities to get points.
They've won Dream League Season 27.
Now, I'm not so sure how many points we'll get in season 28.
That remains to be determined, seems unlikely though.
Aurora, however, they're not even on the list yet, but seems like they're making a strong
case to make it up.
Well, amazing, we've managed to clean things up.
How did that happen?
Magically.
Magical.
Little elves came by.
Disco elves.
You're reading in front of me, what's happening?
Oh no, I'm just trying to see the steps so we can get this done fast.
You ever read that art of the post by the guy who says he puts paper towels all over the food?
You want to dump the sugar in, C?
Avery, dump the sugar in so you can be part of the cake making process.
You gotta put flour in first.
No, you don't put flour in first.
Yeah, it says.
It's eggs and sugar.
With eggs and sugar.
That's wrong.
Could it be whisk?
You're right.
Mr. Pettisserie owner.
Wait, what?
It says whisk.
Did we whisk?
No, it's eggs and sugar.
Eggs and sugar.
Beautiful.
Need the egg.
Do we have the electric whisk?
To bind the sugar together.
Uh, do you have an outlet?
Do we have an outlet?
That's a good question.
We have a lot of electronics, but do we have an outlet?
I'm not sure if there's an outlet.
We should probably do it later.
Well, I guess we can do that later.
Maybe turn the other one.
Okay, then we can do this step later.
Okay.
Mix the flour, potato starch, and baking powder in another bowl.
So bowl number two.
Dump the flour in, Avery.
Which one's the flour?
This is whiskey I hand.
Well, it's the flour and the starch.
Look the same, so it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter. And the starch ones, the flour, though.
It was labeled.
It smells like something not edible.
It's a good whisking.
I'm missing a bowl.
Baking powder?
Oh, they were both in that one.
They were both in that one?
Yeah, those combined.
All right, listen.
Okay, that's great.
This is our assignment for the day,
but your assignment is to keep track of four different streams going on concurrently.
As this is the probably last day of a full multi-stream 4 series day, Earth is going to
be featuring pain gaming versus occult, tundra versus execration, bedroom team versus occult,
and spirit versus execration.
That's going to be happening on the Earth stream.
After that, Stormstream is starting things off with the undefeated Aurora gaming going
up against OGE sports.
Maybe OG can make them bleed for the very first time.
that Gamer Legion vs. Extreme, Pain Gaming vs. Yandex, and their day will be closed out
with Maus taking on a Gamer Legion.
Ember has a Betboom Team vs. Team Liquid to start things off.
That's the one.
After that, it's a Na'Vi vs. Maus, followed by Partyvision taking on Aurora Gaming, and
they will close out the night with Tundra Esports vs. Na'Vi.
Main stream, though.
Take all the series off because it's going to be cake baking all day with some Dota in
the background. Yandex versus party vision is going to be our very first series, then
Spirit Falcons, OG Liquid, and Falcons. Taking on a team that I did not read quickly enough.
Stunning stuff. Stunning.
Extreme gaming, Neil. Stunning. You're stunning. No you. No you. You have to do this for three
minutes. And I'm definitely not doing it fast enough as an electric whisker, so pay your
I was gonna use the electric one.
Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it!
How about we use the electric one?
Put some sauce into it.
Yeah.
This man's not gonna make it more than a minute.
Avery, you're so good at whisking, but what else are you good at?
Yesterday, you proved to be very good at prediction.
Alright, I'm done.
That was not three minutes.
I really gotta wash my hands, by the way.
There's so much egg over everything.
This guy cracked the whole...
Oh, Avery, you had very good predictions yesterday as we saw you.
Yes.
Did you keep up that trend?
I think I got two more.
That's it.
I would have gotten three.
They ain't broke, they'll ask you.
Oh, my god, I'm still laughing, Clay.
I got zero from yesterday.
I swear, I would be like nine if these teams were doing
what I thought they should do.
Effie would be like nine if Team Spirit got their shit together.
They aren't kind of cooking me, because I cannot root against them.
They're kind of messing me up, but it'll be OK.
How the hell is Neil second?
I'm in great company there, Avery, Quinn, and me.
That's true, America's at the top.
You know what I'm saying?
All the way to the top and locked, actually.
I love that Aire and I have the same score, and we've had the same score every day, but
they still put them in 12th place.
What's that about?
He's a TI winner.
That is called a microaggression production.
Microaggression.
Perhaps if you were able to get more points, you could separate the two of you, as we can
as we can see the predictions for today.
Jenkins continues to be the contrarian.
He was the only person to correctly predict
Bet Boom vs. Yandex though.
He was the only person to say that it would be a 2-0
and he got it right.
So maybe he is onto something
and Yandex will actually cook party vision
as he is picking Yandex for his first prediction.
I think it's very funny that he's doing
the opposite opinion of everybody
but he still is getting points.
Yeah, what a genius.
I can't believe nobody believes Yandex will actually, like Jenkins is just whatever, but
like only me and Cinderin believe that Yandex will get a game.
Everybody thinks that they're so lost that they can't recover.
And I think they'll recover.
I think they also match up against tougher teams at the start.
Yeah, but then they got 2-0 by that, you know.
How'd that even do?
Oh!
It's your turn.
You're the whisker, you're committed.
What?
You're the whisker?
You have to get your whisking in now because we're gonna take you off the panel very soon, so enjoy the moment.
That's the disengage button, but if not, then you press that up there.
Oh, I've never used one.
Oh, oh.
Oh, yeah.
What are you so afraid of, Avery? Where are you...
I mean, if you turn it on, full max.
Whitney, that is full max.
Egg everywhere.
Yeah, I was not gonna get splattered.
Damn, look at it go.
Oh, yeah, are we supposed to do like a...
I'm gonna have to take off a minute for your high-rise.
Is there a visual that we're supposed to know,
like when it's sufficiently with my handaxe?
Yeah, when it's making it up.
It'll get foamy.
It'll get foamy, yeah, okay, perfect.
It'll get nice and foamy.
Once you make it foamy, Cap,
then your time on this panel is done
because then you need to get ready for casting again.
You guys going to talk about it?
We should just sit here and wait.
Hello, ladies and germs.
I've heard a chat talking about how Yannex made a little underrated in this series against Peravision.
People don't think they have the chops, but I think they might.
You look at the scores this might seem a little bit like David versus Goliath and they would tell you that
Perivision is 7-1 and Yanex is 1-7.
Ewwwly! That is not a score you want to see, but I think this is not due to an issue with their players, an issue with their cohesion
I think it's an issue with their psyche. I think they're in a bit of a slump right now
And I think they can get out of that slump.
But I will show you what some of that slump looks like with a couple of clips here. As you can see there's a T-Fight brewing
Planks is coming from the side and wow spells are going off holy moly and then right here
Malady YEEEH jumps Watson into the middle of this fight.
Now it's a conclusion from this that Malady is a bot.
No that is not the conclusion.
The conclusion is that whenever you are in a slump and things feel bad you make uncharacteristic
mistakes as they take a fight where they're up a couple K gold and they end up losing
it horribly and it's a disaster for them.
Now, I think this is a stintum, like I said, of the bigger issue, which is that they are
just in a bit of a funk right now, and I think what they need is they need a good team talk,
they need something to pep them up to get them back to the normal form, because I see
no reason why they can't be as good as they normally are right now.
Here's another example where you look, here we have 23 Queen of Pain by your Cold Brothers.
Yeah, next, they have the last pick in the draft.
What did they opt for?
They opt for a Leshrac into Queen of Pain.
This is a no-go.
This is the hardest counter to Leshrac in the game, Queen of Pain here.
This to me, Yannick's they're not stupid.
They can draft very, very well.
They play a lot of good games, but they pick something very, very silly here at the end
because they're just in a bit of a funk right now.
So I think what they need is any big man's stocks, I think their coach to step up, give
a little pep talk because pretty much every game they've played, they're about even or
even ahead at about the 15-20 minute mark.
So it's not a lane problem, it's not a draft problem, it's a vibes problem.
They can fix those vibes, and maybe they can be the David and Chuck that stone of big Goliath's big bony head
and send him crumbling down to the abyss where he belongs, Paravision.
Not biased at all, I'm assuming, for your two former teammates.
I mean, you know what it's like to have these guys be in a funk as Quinn come down and join us,
because you're seeing signs of life in a team that maybe other teams or other people are judging too harshly.
Cap, thank you very much for your whisking service.
Excellent whisking.
Thank you, Austin Walsh.
And in Sania.
I love your wish.
Welcome to the panel.
Thank you.
You agree with this assessment or do you think that we are, the two sides of the coin, are
we judging Yandex too harshly based on this one and seven score?
Or is there signs of life?
I kept predicting them to like win, which is why I'm at the bottom of the predictions
list.
I had so much faith in Yandex and they haven't delivered.
So I'm at the point now where I'm like, you know, I don't know.
That's what Quinn's sales pitch is then.
You're saying that they're on the edge, but you can still have faith in them.
I feel like I don't have faith in them, but they also might be, I'm not saying they are,
but they might be doing the team liquid.
Where like, you know, the year is really packed.
They've already secured themselves the invite to rally, or not rally, sorry, Birmingham.
Okay, sure.
Wrong year.
Another city, and country.
Wrong year.
Straight up doing the liquid all the way back.
Yes.
And then they're already invited to the next stream link too, I think.
I don't know, they can get points at Birmingham to get to the next stream league.
Uh, true, yeah.
So this stream league for them, their stakes are not that high.
Sure.
So maybe, juicy, juicy point.
Yeah, but they can get the points at Birmingham, I think.
What is the impression?
Well, they're taking that as like a kind of little chill, we're gonna take some time off.
Gotcha.
But I also think they didn't really have much time to practice with, noticed.
I think that's a pretty big deal.
Their roster, they haven't played with full roster for a while.
And they just haven't had the opportunity to screen.
during Blast they had Malak stand again for the offline, which even then they still managed
to get to a five game series against Na'Vi in the Blast and semi-finals, so the team
is still capable, but yeah, I guess bringing notice then, it's a BO2 format as well.
So maybe if it was best with threes, Yannix would be able to not pick Leshrac 24th against
the Queen of the End.
Yeah, I saw that and I was like, holy crap, I can't believe they did this, because it's
weird because you look at their games and they're actually, they're never getting stomped
and nights ever. And I think older drafts like make some degree of sense besides that
one, where there's like some cohesion to picking things the next sense. But this just happens
on Zendota where you get in like a weird mental state as a team and you're losing almost,
it feels like for no reason. Like you look at your gameplay and like, yeah, we're making
dumb mistakes, but like we're all good players. Why are we doing this? And sometimes you just
snap out of it. And sometimes you stay in that funk for a long time. And so I think
for Yandex, you got to, you got to talk stuff over, you got to figure out how to get out
of a spunk because I genuinely think it's like one of the weirdest things in Dota because
you know when you're in it too. Like we suck right now, but like how do we fix it? I don't
know. What do we do?
And we're referring to Yandex as if they are mainstays, but they are a relatively new name
to the Dota list of teams. So if you're unfamiliar with them, let me give you a quick introduction.
The champions of last season of Dream League are back, Team Yandex. Yandex joined the world
of Dota 2 by picking up the roster of Cyber Goose last year, with the original roster
being TA2000, Chara Jr., Notice, Problems, and Solo. While they were decent from the
start, they were nowhere near their apparent potential. That changed when they rebuilt
their roster, with Watson and Malady replacing TA2000 and Solo, and Soxa replacing Problems.
They quickly cemented themselves as one of the best teams in the world after getting
top three in every single event they played in so far.
That's right, this roster has never placed worse than third.
Admittedly, they haven't played in that many events, but surely they'll keep that
stat going, right?
With a perfect blend of explosive talent and experience, Team Yandex are not a team to
be underestimated.
As the champions of Dream League Season 27, with a run that included having to beat Team
spirit in two series back-to-back. Team Yandex are surely gearing up for back-to-back win
here at Dreamleague Season 20 in.
Now in Cap's defense, that was recorded at the very beginning of this event, but that
is why we have such high stamps for them. Never placing lower than third place at any
tournament they've attended, and obviously the defending champions of Dreamleague right
now. So we're not being too harsh, Effie. I mean, they've got TI winners, they've got
Soxer, they've got a championship under their records and they're consistently a podium
finishing team.
Yeah, and honestly, it seems like the issues that they have is something that they could
just wake up one day and play better. Because you watch their games and most of them look
really winnable and they're in a position where maybe one or two plays or out plays
in a team fight is what makes them lose. So I'm not too worried about them so long as
They can just... they... motivated, so to speak.
Like, if they don't find themselves mentally defeated because of their performance,
they're still another group stage, they're not out of it,
and they just need to learn from, like, maybe individual mistakes more than anything else right now.
They're getting into their teamfights.
Like, they're not fighting well as a team together.
Like, they're not pressing their buttons properly together.
I think that those are, like, the moments I think they're faltering in.
Mm-hmm.
Um, because like Clint said, I feel like their lane phase doesn't look that bad.
They have the skill, obviously. They can put themselves in positions where they can win games.
They're just not winning games.
And they can mess up a signature or a technical, but you really got the showstopper right?
You have to nail that.
That's a great British pick-off for a French at the same time.
You guys need to contribute to this kick, by the way.
So, the batter is done.
I will observe it.
We just keep the butter spread off.
Oh yeah, I didn't look right away.
Observe carefully behind glasses' eyes.
Good job. Keep it up.
keep it up I just need someone to spread the butter no yeah that's
butter we want to cover the mold with the butter but I think we may need to
melt the butter unless we just keep it open and I just like rubbing it like
rub a dub dub yeah I just rub it in with this well done butter in the tub yeah
pass me another put it up everything do you know they call me they always call
me butter man in the last game oh yeah yeah I don't know that why do they call
butterman can't talk about that on screen what you can't you can't just like
hint at something and I can't explain why just did take my word for it I'm
gonna give you this life feeling our imaginations are all running yeah you
probably I'm imagining is worse than you telling the truth here but what do you
say like this here what am I doing it wasn't there before it wasn't before
I swear I was not there before. Don't laugh at me. Don't support me.
What do you want to do?
I mean, I think it would be a bit helpful if we melted the butter for a few seconds.
I mean, I can also keep rubbing.
I feel like it's getting pretty good.
It looks fine.
I think you should take it off.
Take it off.
It only looks easier.
There's still things.
Like this.
But I'm trying to prevent my hands from getting it.
It's okay. My hands are already sticking.
We have to.
I'll do it.
Touch the butter so I'm doing it now.
Oh, I was going to give you this.
Before this?
Yes, always.
All right, what do we got here?
We got a Shadowfiend and a Jukiro.
Shadowfiend and a Jukiro, Slark, first phase of Band-O.
I guess we get some nine-class deals up to do that.
Windranger, Monkey King, and Marcy, also Band-O.
Party vision, they take out the tree and protector
of the Shadow Demon, Chen, and Tusk.
And I...
Is this the butter?
Sorry, I didn't run.
We need more butter than this?
Just leave it, leave it on there.
No, no, it's not butter. Leave it what?
Leave it on there, just let it melt a little bit.
Normally you just melt it slightly and rub it everywhere.
And then we can just use this.
You're seeing this win rate of never more in the top left of your screen.
18 picks, 83% win rate, right?
Who is never more? That's a Dota 1 hero.
That's not a Dota 2 hero.
I mean, he builds like a Lothar's Edge, right?
And Bariza de Keanu or whatever.
Who the heck is de Keanu, Reeves?
Buri said that.
Your breath taking.
It's a blizzard cannon, said in like a Japanese accent.
Actually.
That's what it is?
Yeah.
Oh, I was curious the impression.
Yeah.
Buri's out of the canyon.
Now he's saying it like a Swedish accent.
Buri's out of the canyon.
No matter what his name is, though, he's putting up numbers right now.
I had no idea Shadowfiend was that good.
SF Slops.
I like this hero.
When you got a justification as to why his numbers are so high I think it's one of those things where there's
There's not that many cores like that are good versus him that are good right now
Like the typical us of counters are like drows and terabytes and snipers and like stuff that arranges him
And so that that's just not the one hitting you as you run in as that's the one being hit as he runs in like you
He walks up with a big stick and you walk him with an even bigger stick
But all those heroes are kind of bad right now due to numbers reasons
I'd imagine I'm surprised a little bit. We don't see like more more terror blades or things of that nature
Drow is kind of a trash hero, but I think that is like a big reason why I think
There's a circle and sometimes it takes a while people to remember the counters or start picking the counters
And then sometimes the counters are also just too bad to pick and so hero becomes really really powerful
I think Sf is probably a bit of both. I also just think this the part meta contributes to the strength of a carry like shadow fiend
Because melee sports are so popular like Train Protector and Tusk and Clockwork that we're seeing almost every single game
having a carry like SF that has a lot of kill threat online while also scaling and being a ranged hero is super valuable
It's also why we're seeing the Clink's friend as well
Yeah, true. Very, very true. This hoodwing pick... I mean, they pick Ogre, but Ogre's actually cool here
I like Ogre with SF a lot. It's a classic combo. It is that melee dude like you're talking about
It's not someone we see all the time, but it's obviously very nice synergy, and I think it should be pretty good against Morris as well, having some dude who can kind of just move around and get this nice flow to pair with Raze is like, I think it's cool.
I don't see it often, but I like it.
Yeah.
It's the first time in this event.
To add to the SF thing, I also think SF really likes having Oras on his team.
I think he likes having...
Because when you buy Oras, generally you want to play the game grouped up a lot, and this hero likes to be part of a ball.
Like, anything that is like a ball around him where he can just sit there and hit, he really explains that kind of style.
Plus, he is a hero that wins games based on him having more net worth on the enemy,
and that also gets just like further amplified by you being able to ball up so early in the game and just grouping up and running down lanes.
Right. With that in mind though, I'm kind of surprised that Underlord has remained entirely ignored during this pick and ban phase,
because if you want an aura buyer, he has been pretty top tier in that regard.
I think it's a play you'd like to hear of for notice. He plays it quite a bit and
I think it's main heroes are like Mars, Underlord, Eastmaster maybe?
Mm-hmm.
As a player.
There's a kind of class play Phoenix?
No, it's true. This is a support duo I would not associate with party vision if it is the support duo.
There's nine class definitely doesn't play Jekiro.
Yeah.
I feel like he should absolutely not play Jekiro.
I feel like he should absolutely not play Phoenix either.
I'm trying to think if you can do weird outing builds on Phoenix
I think that 9 class is capable of playing normal dota
Like we do talk about all the specialty heroes and things like that
But before he really specialized in his nixes and whatnot
He was playing like dark willow and bad writer supports like almost every game
He can't be a normal player
I played against his shadow demon
What'd he do?
and it was like
You know if there was no nickname above his head like I you there's no amount of money
You could have paid me to believe that that was my class because it looked like
Like straight-up account buyer tier
Yeah, you know a hero. He played a lot or the most before he became a pro. I do
They are there y'all
The original techies player. It was like thousands of techies games. Yeah
techies only. It's him and like this guy called like travel man I think. Travel
on yeah yeah I don't know how to say his name. I don't know how to say his name. Exactly.
But those two were like the main high-ranked techies like terrorists. They've
wasted more people's time than like you can even imagine. Yes, yes. I don't know I
feel like I'm a nine-class defender in the sense that like he is a very
specific and special type of four where you know his heroes and his vials very
different than most other Forrest, but I just found him in a sense that I do think he can
play normally when he needs to. Like everyone was like, oh, they're gonna do badly, because
new off-lane areas are gonna be abandoned on lane. Guess what? He didn't abandon him
on lane. And he's been playing ranged heroes mostly.
I don't think it's that he can't play ranged heroes. I just think he needs like a hero that
can pressure the map. Like, I think when you think of my class like playing some hero that's
just gonna, I don't know, show up to teamfights and, you know, press egg, that doesn't sweep
It doesn't use his strengths. He needs to go up on a hero that he can run around and apply pressure.
Maybe he has some way of doing it with Phoenix.
He's like, I'm going to buy a Rotovacus Meteor Hammer, and I'm going to run around the carry and keep not letting him farm by spamming firescores on him.
I don't know, maybe he has some grand plans for this, but it doesn't strike me as a hero that does what he wants to do in the game.
What if no one mid-Phoenix?
Yeah, again.
I'm going to call it half.
Mid Phoenix is not very good, and you need to be very good at it to make it like not complete game run.
You had a phase, right?
Yeah, Mid Phoenix is really fun.
And I think it's legit not that bad, but you have to counter pick.
Like if the other guy picks Monkey King and you pick Phoenix, like, he can't play.
It's like absurd how bad that matchup is.
But if you play it blind, then the hero has this issue where his first two items feel super high impact.
You have a vessel, you have a shield, they both like, I'm so strong.
And the third item, you look through the entire item list, scrolling all the way down, and nothing looks good.
They're like, well, I guess I'm a core hero and I can only buy two items. That's not very good.
In that case, you're just going to have to believe in what 9-class is cooking up in this scene.
In matchup wise, it's pretty decent against Ogre, I think.
Like, as a lean matchup, you have the passive burn. Ogre is a melee hero.
You also have a very high health boost, which is nice against heroes that spam spells.
You don't have any armor, which is like the trade-off, right?
High health, low armor, so you're good against spells, not so good against auto-attacks.
I'm much scared.
What the heck are you touching me with?
Tap needs to read Twitch chat while he's casting, otherwise he gets the shakes.
I didn't see him and I just felt someone like, touch me.
Yeah, I saw him over there, like, approaching us from behind, so I was worried.
Maybe he's gonna force us through a podcast.
I would never dream of it.
From Yandex to Xen, they've gone for a classic Offlane duo with hoodwink plus axe, which basically says that their pick-off game is going to be very strong.
And I don't think Yandex has had issues with finding kills on the map.
Again, it's been their ability to pick teamfights in a way that isn't a detriment to them in the correct places or maybe while casting what they've had.
Do you think maybe the easiest way to simplify this, or is this an idea that they had that
they're only going to play for pick-offs?
Maybe they thought to themselves, why don't we just shy away from teamfighting?
I feel like that's a weird thing to take away from the game.
It's possible that is the case, because I agree that Axe-Pick feels slightly unusual
to me.
It's not necessarily what I've expected, even though Notice is great at the hero.
It's like saying like we just can't team fight right now so we're just gonna only play the map is like it's a strange take away
I mean there there's some credence to that theory that picks storm now through I think no team fight at all
It is also like just a good storm game and it's all right like it's pretty bad against it
He's pretty bad against it. You're like natural she this buyer eventually. I wish that's a hot take
You're saying Phoenix is bad again storm William Blitzley would disagree with you hard
He thinks Fenix.
He thinks the hardest counters to Storm on position 5 are Phoenix and Undying.
What?
Was there a jump?
What if he thinks he's good at batting against Storm on 5?
I don't know.
You thought me.
How could I believe you?
We've been meeting William about this for a long time.
That's an insane take.
What is the reasoning?
I'm curious.
The reasoning is because you don't just kill them.
One of them is two tanky Undying and the other one is Phoenix who turns into an egg.
You can't just kill them.
And in William's world, Storm should just, like...
So look at what he's doing.
Like, when you zip anything that's, like, within a thousand radius of your zip, should just
explode, die, off the screen.
And I can kind of see what he means by that, but I also think in that same case, as a Phoenix
player, I hate playing in Storm, because he forces my dive, he'll force me to egg when
I don't want to.
It's like, suddenly my egg's on cooldown and we can't take any teamfights, so...
Yeah.
But I understand.
I'm not sure how I feel about the William statement, I'm like...
I'm calling Capitalist Phoenix 4. I think Phoenix's best role is 5 or Offlane.
4 I think is maybe his worst role after Cary. I think Phoenix 4 is Cheeks, I do not believe.
So even if it wasn't 9 class, you still...
Even if it wasn't 9 class, I'm still pressing X to doubt.
But because it's 9 class, I'm pressing X like 5 times.
So do you think party is just the better team?
I do think they're the better team, but I think they might be so bad that they don't win anyway.
Okay, I will go with, I agree with this, but I think they'll win anyway.
I'll go with, I think he's gonna cook!
Nine class.
Yes, I think he's gonna cook, I promise it's in him.
I'm a big Phoenix enjoyer, and you know what?
I don't think that hero is as bizarre as you're making it out to be for him.
Okay, Tranquil boots hexed, nine class Phoenix, I can see it.
He's gonna buy like eight through lands in hotspot, and like he's wanked or something.
He's gonna blink on hills and hotspot you.
Wait, who was the player that would always do like, Tranquil boots into...
Syphilory?
Yeah, Calorie. Yeah, is the Calorie build build viable?
Yeah, Calorie is 8-0's.
He is the best position 5 player of all time.
Ever, yeah.
And if he can pull it off, surely non-class can do it.
I don't know about that.
Calorie is put hours and hours into buying tranquil boots specs.
Well, we're about to put minutes and minutes and maybe hours into this game number one.
Enjoy it.
We count.
I don't know what these guys are talking about, this looks exactly like a 9 class hero to
me.
Reads the lane! Right?
Four position Phoenix.
Fire spirits every like 65 seconds or something.
Very little impact.
That sounds like exactly what my class likes to be able to do.
His poor off lane is basically having an anchor around his neck.
That's how they like to do it.
That's right.
It strengthens SSS's neck muscles.
The perfect set up.
Boots first Phoenix.
Who knows what he's gonna get?
No, no hotspot either, by the way.
you thought there was going to be hotspot shenanigans, which I was down to endorse.
I think hotspot is actually a little underrated.
No, they're still going for dying light.
Okay, but if we analyze the lane overall, yeah.
Phoenix against over S.
That's got to be pretty good.
I would agree with that.
Yeah.
Heavy right click lane, really heavy right click lane in the game.
Bloodlust, you can kill egg and stuff.
But honestly, I think Phoenix nowadays is I don't even look at zero and really think about egg.
I think egg you're either killing or not purely based off of the exposition in the fight
I don't think it's really about having egg killers anymore. Okay. I think those days are good
I'm I kind of agree with that. Yeah
Dude if that class actually leveled up dive right away and snipe couriers the whole time that that would actually make the ultimate
I just got one you got we got one without the dive
You'll be pulling creeps as is the
The ammo for every off lane that is at all difficult
If you're not doing this in your pubs, you're probably wrong
It's it's kind of funny that puppy coaches esteem
And they're all playing functions very similar to how it is it for years, which is just police
And have a very sacrificed off later in ZI that play with
Yeah, for every game, and yeah, it's like very simple somehow this guy just always ends up on these squads where that is the setup
Maybe because he was a five position like he's a four-hater, you know
Or enabler, I guess every once in a while the other support. Maybe hates offlaners
It's because they get all the credit where the five is the real hero there too. Hmm. Just a rough life
A real hero of Dota 2, the actual protagonist.
This would be a good puppy, I don't know.
In terms of like the heroes that are being played on 5 and how they're being played.
Super farm heavy, Shenz and Chandra's.
Like this is his patch!
Yeah, even heroes like Chikiro, pretty farm heavy, while still being very lane dominant.
That's what Ice Rock always does.
does he wait till you retire and now I'm gonna make it good for you that's what
you did to me the second I went what when was elder Titan relevant that is
legit what happened I retired it and then it was the first elder Titan
patch in like really four years and I remember sitting there watching that
shit going come on what is this but I didn't get baited I didn't unretired
that's the bait trying to mate you into it so puppy if it was lose it oh you're
You're watching this and thinking I could do better.
Okay, first off, there's no way puppy's watching.
Second, if he is watching us, he has his own beauty knowledge.
And third, if he is listening for some weird reason,
you always might go, you're always number one.
I studied so many of your replays for years.
Who did you actually study the most?
Oh man, I'm gonna have to think it back.
I mean, legitimately, when you were coming up, it probably was a puppy, right?
Yeah.
Like, a puppy, it was long-standing, one of the Best Buy positions, even mechanically,
within the game.
I watched a lot of, uh, No-Tail.
As first blood, to Watson, the speed is not working out top.
He'll give you a bunch of gold to the SF who is cooking this lane right now.
I watched a lot of No-Tail because he was one of the more sacrificial 5s.
Which I kind of liked at the time.
Interesting.
Snags it.
21-9 for Chirru Jr. seems to be doing pretty well against this Void Spirit, no surprise there though.
Not cool to see them build to this TA.
It's in another game going on right now as well as an SF counter.
I was wondering where this hero was in the middle.
First thing is so much shadow theme.
P.A. is the classic SF counter in that mid lane matchup, sure, but in general, it's still
a pretty good matchup in the game.
Hard for the SF to ever burn refraction, particularly in the late game, you can kind
of accelerate the Roshan's fast so that he's able to follow up and fight them.
So I'm surprised we haven't seen this hero a bit more, but I don't think it's that weak
of a core.
You don't have to super early to get either, because it's not super high priority.
Huh.
It's been hiding, man.
Well, you did call it.
Kind of an annoying lane for a state tannic.
Battlehunker plus push whack.
A lot of things to burn through.
Refraction. Old refraction would have been really ruined by this lane.
And I'm on the pullback here, the chase after him with the battle hunger, get the damage.
They're putting the pressure on the TA.
Once they're early Falcon Blade, those have full wand charges so they don't have to keep
in mind down here.
That's probably why they didn't chase too far.
You don't want to get over-anxious feats of kills to Satanic on top of his naturally
always high CS total.
The only one surprised by this is you.
Were you ever a chat wheeler?
Aw man, I don't know, chat wheel, but you didn't study the...
I hated that.
A chat wheel game?
It was a waste of time.
But it was clearly not a waste of time.
It actually worked pretty well.
Well, nobody could have predicted that.
Get out of here, Shayna.
No one likes you.
I think the funniest thing is that they use these for the other streams as well.
Yeah.
They're not even part of.
Well, here's just, where's that throw Shayna on your screen?
It's kind of messed up if you think about it.
You know, while we have the Paul shout out the twitch chat, great chatters out there. All right, Austin
There were some nice gentlemen in the chat before this game started. I was talking to a little bit
There's this old guy period flax. He was talking out of his ass
I don't know what the hell he was talking about just saying nonsense
There was some discussion about
Birds being government drones, of course because of the phoenix pick
Okay, and the jacquero sure
Shout out to them
That's it. Yeah
who don't know. Avery has a punishment on the line where he has to respond to
somebody in Twitch chat. Yes, Scott Sterling talking about birds or
government drones. That's true. That is true. Good job, Avery. You got it out of
the way. Thank God. I don't have to interact with these heathens ever again.
It's the first time I've ever seen Avery open up Twitch chat before. There's some
good comments sometimes I think people always complain like casters never
recognize my cheese you know that's the number one thing I see whenever I'm
watching it I recognize I'm a man of the people never forget that you buy into
the conspiracies conspiracies are just stories of the average man living in an
abnormal world. Every how do you feel about QAnon? Okay well, Trilane get going into mid.
Chirichunir he has illusion rune. Level 3 Savannah after him hit him with the remnant
in response and actually broke the tree! What happened there? I think that might have been
the storm spirit zip or something because yeah he doesn't have a quelling blade. I thought
he cut it I was like how does he cut? Yeah he has no quelling which is also if she has
no quelling on void spirit. Against the hoodwink. Well that was a little bit delayed.
Try lane gank, but it still ends up working and still ends up getting the tower. This is rough.
All off of Chirichunior having extra dies on his lane. The voids were one creep off of six.
If you look at no one's XP, that's a sad death for him.
22 XP away from having Astral Step.
He goes down. Because he goes down, you lose your tower.
I even lose some more map control here.
I mean, even if he doesn't die there, don't they still lose the tower?
Like, he probably has to go back to base, right?
Probably. That was just a world-time move.
Yeah, I think so.
And now, look at this move!
A big creep wave, alongside another siege wagon,
Maladine, Sox are going for it.
I mean, they've got a Phoenix!
It's not really the most impactful support in the early laning phase, so...
Is it a Phoenix, though?
Is it a Phoenix?
No, or is it a drone?
Hell, we don't know, man.
Can we make control drones, is that what you're using?
Yeah, now I'll head...
I think this is one of the coolest sets that's been had in a long time.
The...
Astral Owl, whatever you want to call it.
That thing's awesome.
Reminds me of my childhood.
Did your childhood feature a lot of owls?
Sometimes.
Because they're out there, they're real Austin.
They're real.
Maybe it was the lollipop owl?
Are you thinking about that one?
I forgot about him until now.
That's right. All of a sudden a flood of memories. How many licks does it take?
How many steps does it take for no one to get out if you're from this gank from Yandex?
That gank turns into a counter gank. Great route for cheer junior. He eats the resources and he will
gladly lap up this amp damage. He's still between that full bottle and a fairy fire. He's got decent
amounts of work to do. Could he maybe swing bottom if Titanic stays on this land? Like he's trying to
to stay down here for some more solo xp but the dangerous lane that's hit on against hoodwink
axe so much easy initiation capability anybody rotate down there it's an easy kill
but you know that she's kind of playing it slow
and also this has been one of the less impressive early games from parry so far
not that it's hindering them too much with this type of lineup but
some of these games they've really come out guns blazing in these lane phases
What do you mean this type of lineup?
Well, it's a very team-fight heavy lineup.
Like, even if you're behind, you can still easily win fights here just based off laning some clutch spells, especially with the supports.
Okay, here comes the rotation, uh...
From that Storm Spirit.
It's a great fight for the index if they bring everybody.
They are.
And everybody's here.
You're gonna catch them, call us.
Know this, fuck them out with the Helmedom creep.
Pretty easy pick-off for a cheer junior with that amp damage.
Now doesn't he have enough mana to be able to zip far enough away?
Triple S is gonna be able to catch him inside the arena, got him on the spear as well,
but he had a lot of charges there.
In fact, he was almost full up on mana, goes back at it,
he'll slow down Triple S and punish him for daring to try and kill the Majestic Storm Spirit.
Why are they trying to fight that?
To me, that is.
There's like no way you're keeping heroes in the fight this, because your Phoenix is doing jungle stacks,
your Jikiro is backing trying.
You're basically drawing a fight you're so poor don't want to take because they don't have a
you have the one stun in the spear there's no way you're killing the storm even if you chain
the pull at the exact time yeah even if he didn't have those magic wand charges he didn't have the
mana to zip out you're gonna just stood there you think he probably lives that's just not the
fight you're taking at this point in the game with your party i'm very surprised that triple s went
down there now that you could have stayed to call us is here set up to protect no one but
but apparently that wasn't required. Sox, the whiffing, the bushwhack.
They need the Vessel online. They need these support ults online for some more damage.
Then the Sorina becomes a bigger threat, then the Void Spirit becomes a bigger threat.
You just have to let the T.H. angle, but man, the Andix, they have quite a start right now,
and this SF is gonna have a free game. Like,
there is not gonna be able to put pressure into Watson here at all, unless he comes to a fight and dies.
And Ogre SF is...
He's a monster.
It's a monster strat. I've believed in this strat forever.
I mean we've seen a number of these melee supports.
Booger now is going to be slipped in. Do you feel like Over should be seeing more play?
Outside of just SF? Or is this an SF only?
No, I wouldn't be picking this hero outside of SF, but with SF, I think his value goes up so much.
This is the best Bloodlust hero in Dota 2 right now.
You also can't see it on him, that's another reason.
Because of the stupid cosmetic.
Why is that broken?
You don't know he's bloodless, so it's like hard to gauge his damage output.
You're saying there's some situation where like guys we can take this fight
Yeah
That's how they get you
The battle hunger to slow down these heroes trying to retreat away from Chura junior bush whack conum with the ult
It's gonna go off. He's gonna have to egg now
Do they have the ability to kill the egg not so much but they do have the ability to walk away from the egg
Make a trip less than arena.
The arena.
On what?
Me, Ghost out here.
Saving private nine class?
Get out, so I don't cover you.
Again, I don't think Yandex really care
about these fights at all.
They can find a couple of pick offs with the Storm, awesome,
but this is an ogre SF strat.
If the SF keeps farming and getting ginormous,
if you eventually get Max Blust online,
you just gotta take this game over.
And the X went homodom, so he is also farming really well.
Like even when he comes over to that fight, like he probably has his homodom creep pushing out the lane or something.
I wouldn't even mind him getting the Ace Armor over at some point.
Throwing it on the SF versus TA, that'd be super nice.
Well, Satanic is also free farming.
Big stacks being clear right now. Oh, yeah, that's the big boy stack.
And their cores are farmed out of this one's face.
Just having themselves a very consistent game here.
Maybe trying to slow the game down a little bit from the rest of the group stage
and just kind of focus their thoughts, you know, make it simple.
We have some stuns, we have some jump, we have the premier carry of the patch.
Let's just play a nice, normal, solid game of Dota.
What do you think about a notice going pipe next item instead of z yeah he's not going
to blink dagger.
It's fine with SF over strat.
Like this strat is designed to just break higher 25 to 35 in this game if you're ahead.
So if you can make this SF in mid school he will win you the game.
The Goss is actually going to sneak the wisdom shrine here now TP away.
Oh we got him on the very edge.
It's still worth it here.
Maybe get a neutral deny or something. Waste a couple more minutes of the Axis time.
He's not getting to that. It is permanent stack though.
That armor pretty valuable against the TA.
SF continues to get mega-fat. This is usually the position we see CT.
Panicked it's kind of rare that you see they panic this far behind an enemy carry
Given how much space usually has and how fast he forms how young he is
The youth just allows him to hit creeps just a little bit faster than everybody else. Oh, yeah, you can see him easier
My eyesight wasn't what it once was a kid as those gold to those faders
I can't tell can't see how many creeps on the camp. Maybe leave one behind
Again shout the period flag
All these old-timers still trying to play Dota Ted does love being shout out. We appreciate
We appreciate you sticking with it even though it's way past your time
Some fun and notice here well back in triple S
There was out the spear to your junior is not unable to stop that spear and notice now these things that arena is definitely dead
Though it looks like Yandex still feel like they can kind of fight this.
I mean they brought the rest of their heroes. Watson's here for a reason.
Say, Tannis getting kinder around a lot. See, Tannis is gonna die to this bushwhack.
Oh, what a grab.
Getting the grab on SFS was just the nice little icing on top of all this.
Body block from notice with the helmet on, creep enough to be able to pull him back into Watson.
Guarantee, yeah. As soon as the SF shows up and if they have already used their Reno spear on everything,
SF has a totally free fight.
That was just weird like party brought everybody's the chances kind of lingering here
Thinking if I came to this fight, I need to get something else out of it
But there's nothing yet, and he just gets over stunned by mallet
And that is what starts that whole sequence off
It's a greed of youth man want everything Zyce likes to be it
Thanks for picking up on Stockston, got no one, uh, couple more kills.
They need to get somebody going in this game, because right now none of their cores are
really doing it.
Supports have the damage and all, the power, so you got that behind some of these initiations,
but you kind of have to make them start working on somebody around this map.
There's a smoke top I
Failed to see the point of that scan
They saw that move left and then they scammed him as soon as he went out of vision and he indeed did go left
Well the smoke is gonna run into malady which
Valady probably doesn't care this position is not good enough
I think for a part if you go for it back there just lose their position here with a pullback Requiem on
On no one I was gonna say it wasn't good enough for them to take the tower even worse. They lost their midlaner got his ass I
Like this I said feel more than
Just like some mom jungle build or whatever I
Think you still farm super fast with this get some of the extra mana capacity
Demi's raises as a farming tool and still have presses in the fight
I think he's always fighting like clutch little pick-offs in the team fight
Your higher impact in the game
That's also a lot of souls. He's up to 26 on the Necromancer.
Getting to me, Yasha Kaia. This is my favorite item of the patch. I'm not saying it's the most broken, but I think there's some really nice Kaia Yasha build-up.
No Requiem, so no one's trying to get aggressive. Got him in the ice path and the spear.
The SF has held back a little bit. PariVision trying to retreat, but Chira Junior keeps on chasing after no one, and there's no way out for him.
Now, Jere Jr. is just going to be able to zip away while Lotus takes out the Phoenix with good calling blade.
Why are you not getting the kind of fights they want where it's like some arena plus egg going off in your trap,
an ice path macro with jewels on somebody's who can't kill the egg, no one's just getting bled out.
It's another fight where they start on over and then end up losing their nick.
Kind of the value of over. This hero is one of the greatest baits.
Bates in the history of the game, like great Bates, because you effectively throw up Bloodlust,
you enter the fight, you've already used your kit, man, they go on you, I'm just dumb ogre
magi, bro.
Even more when you get a hand of Midas, then you're just like, well, oh, that's no problem,
I got a hand of Midas.
When you are an ogre in the middle of a fight, who's already Bloodlust, you're carry, and
you Midas a creep wave in the middle of the fight, there are very few feelings in life
that are there, that is incredibly satisfying.
This is the five positions version of a high.
Like you just take your hands off the mouse and keyboard and look to God as they throw
their ults on you and like, you've already ascended, you know?
Terries and mids, they get rampages.
Five positions get the perfect bait.
Yeah, you know what the five position rampage is?
It's when the enemy uses five ults on you.
I've been there.
And Ogre Magi is one of the best ult-knights in Tota.
People cannot resist this hero.
They see him, they look into his four eyes.
They leave the face of God, it's so stupid they just panic and they just ult this year
and then they don't realize their mistake until afterwards.
How did they look into four different eyes at once?
Power of the ogre magiles, don't question it.
Enough to drive one into madness.
Ogre boys rejoicing in this game, just doing some work.
There is a Roshan available for real team, so if you get into fight going right now, Tormentor is going to go the index his way.
I think party vision, this was the time to set up for it, right?
Because you know, the team that's in control is probably going to do Tormentor, so that's your opening when they're on the other side of the map to try and take Roshan real quick.
You gotta threaten some objective in this mid-game, as Parry, even from a behind position.
You just have so much teamfight, that's your way back in the game.
I don't think you can give up too many of these for free.
Especially Roche with this TA.
Tough to enter the fight though, because you don't have BKBs.
You gotta beat into these early survivability items.
Pipe on Axe, Greaves on Hoodwink, and you have BKB Storm, BKB SF, so...
I'm not really sure what you're supposed to do to these guys if you're party other than
somehow jump chain stun them first and this is the issue is if they get an Aegis they
put an Aegis on one of these cores between the SF and the Storm that fight becomes impossible.
Well they can wrap the map right pretty decently they've got TA traps they've got the Void
Spirit with the shard and you can always wrap.
You've got Jakiro who's very good at it, Phoenix who's pretty decent as well with Fire
spirits. Oh, I know! The requiem goes out in time! With the Kaya Yasha, the build up of that
requiem is so fast, the TPUA gets canceled there for no one here. Junior's also gonna pick up the
kill on Decolas. This game is looking really, really rough for Parivision. They just have nothing
going for it. They've had nothing since the Laning State. Yeah, we're letting everything happen to them.
They're in a roche and they're gonna try and set up on top.
No blink on his axe, though. If they pull this off, they kill Satanic while doing roche.
Let's just call it. Just call it at that point.
Fortunately, he does not be caught.
Also, I can smell cake.
Okay, I can smell something burning.
Beautiful setup here.
Here, flank from the back, kaiyasha means you get the faster cast time into the double TP canceled.
This has been a rough one for barry who have otherwise been dominating this group stage.
Hey, I found nothing in this game.
Better shut up.
Yeah, I think the expression on no one kind of says it all.
It's kind of like a, well, this one's pretty easy.
Yeah, he's got a BKB.
That's still pretty valuable here though, because he's alone, so...
Sheriff Jr. is not gonna get anything out of this.
So that's a nice BKB to put on cooldown.
Maybe he could make another playoff this.
Still hard to fight into this...
SF though, you don't know where he is on the map.
He went Shadowblade as well, so Watson can get super aggressive here.
I think you need TABKB to take the fights, and I don't know when he's gonna be able to buy it here.
He needs more damage.
But without it, I don't think you can really output too much of the image against one of the so many stuns. There's an Axe Blink call, there's directly in, there's Vortex.
Everybody has an Axe, just simulate good reaction from no one.
Well, you got a BKB out of Storm Spirit, you dodge there, Smoke Inc.
Small little Ws.
For pouty vision.
So pressure comes all the same though, he indexed with his big boy SF.
Kind of marched down any towers they want.
Yeah, I'd like it if they almost left the SF alone, like just hit it over and look for
the pick off elsewhere.
Cause I don't think you're ever gonna fight into this guy with Aegis, just no way.
Like they would have to call an insane glove.
The other route is you can just go higher.
You can go high ground with 1st Aegis with Overess, if you have some sustain and aura's.
Yeah, yeah. Absolutely do.
I feel like I've spent one of the few heroes that allows you to do that.
I think maybe even Ostini would be like, yeah, you could probably go high ground with that.
Probably not him.
9 class caught!
Behind the tier 2, nowhere is safe from Yandex.
Unless you are actually behind tier 3s, I guess.
Where is the fight?
Where is the fight? There has to be a fight.
Well, if they're not careful, they may not be a fight.
If they get picked off like Satanic is here, there might not be a fight for the high ground.
He's taking a surprising amount of time to kill him.
No blade mail.
No down.
31 Necromastery stacks on Shadow Team.
Plus he has...
Well, plus he has the fire shield.
So that V just rocking.
edge so triple S's can't have been rely on Bulwark.
Perfect desktop game so far, that's exactly what you want with this hero.
Feel as if Pahri tried to pick some soft answers to it, like a Mars Bulwark in the TA with
the good counter matchup and some fire spirits egg that maybe you can't right click down
if you can stun him, but they have no BKB piercings line, which I feel like is one of
the biggest solutions to heroes. Heroes like Tusk, Spearbreaker, Faceless Boy. Heroes that
could just go on him when he's BKB, as he's usually dependent on that item.
Yeah, yeah.
And lock him down. They have none of that. So I feel like that's a massive missing component
here.
We got Phoenix Eggs done.
That's true.
Alright, the final minute of Aegis here. And Yandex, you're going to make some big move
Walsh, the Tannock is filled down, they're gonna catch these heroes right as the Tannock was coming back up.
He's gonna try TP into this one.
Can't pull that TP.
Triple S.
Trying to make a run for it with the Arena, gets the other side.
There's notice with the call, though.
And even the Neutrals don't wanna have a taste.
These fighters are way too easy.
Yeah.
They're running everybody in.
Jump wherever the hell you want.
These supports get two shot.
There's no ability to set anything up here for par because the fight is over too quickly.
This game spiraled incredibly fast for them.
I think Yandex is playing pretty well, but I also don't think they played that poorly
in their losses either.
I mean, no, there were some, you know, they're stronger than their record, for sure.
Let's take it back to that Malady Marcy play.
That one was not great, but...
I'm just trying to gauge of how much of this is
parry vision underplaying or
underdrafting for this game, and how much of this
is Yandex returning to form. I don't think they played this draft
well. They should not have been losing early teamfights.
And we never really saw them set up a good early team fights around towers or anything like that
It has felt pretty much urgent. I think the storm has just had so much freeway
Here comes the move from party vision try a few smokes
Some of them have worked fresh gem picker from cheer junior, but it's impossible for party vision to
Find him and catch her
It's possible to find anybody on this map.
Until Yandex finds you.
Yeah, all this aggressive vision from Yandex.
They're gonna set up in the corner here.
You're the ox.
They're already breaking it.
Sox doesn't actually stop the Blinkins.
They'll triple his stuff, maybe just get a green out.
There's gonna be the egg on the corner here.
The Requiem thought about it.
Watson, he's gonna wait for it.
Wait for a better opportunity.
They just give up the ochre.
And we'll see if he gets a Requiem now.
Thinking about it, throws it out.
And they're just gonna full retreat.
They say this is a fight not worth taking.
worth taking. We're missing our beloved Ogre Magi.
That Ogre, he did his job. He tanked some ults there. He did take some. I feel as if
triple S wanted the SF. You had an ob-century trap on SF kind of isolated
from most of the team and he just didn't get the spear on him instead. The Ogre
tanked it. I told you this Ogre is Spell Magnet number one. You just can't help
yourself do you think that ogre should have spear breakers
uh i was about to say he he is the spear breaker
which are in hero form i guess that's the axe now
yeah it's the axe now he is mr planer pocket
Man, I can't even sneak a remnant onto the creep wave.
Notice 18 stacks.
He's a big beefy boy, 9 bonus lvl.
I still don't think the pathway to win if the fight gets better for party until TA B
can be.
I just don't see Sagenic ever being able to go in against the 5 stub laning.
Well, we're about to get through, I think, one of the biggest peaks here for this SF.
He's kind of like soft six-slotted with a Daedalus.
You get this next Roshan.
That is probably a Game Ender, unless party vision can pull out a miracle.
We got BKB 1 and BKB 2 and no one's not going to get a BKB so they got two BKBs to take.
They get the initiation, both BKBs trying to attack the SF.
They have a chance of winning fun stuff.
Yeah.
If you can land stuns on the Stormer SF and burst them down, that's the ticket.
It's kind of ultimately like what a teamfight lineup like this is, right?
It's like you can never really say you're out of the game because you had such a good teamfight.
You can always execute that.
Make it happen.
One good arena opinion and that's that.
Smoking the corner, breaking the smoke, Soxa.
He's the first one in triple S, does not find his mark with his fear.
He was looking for it, but Chirr Jr. is dipping all around.
Now notice, hit in the back line, got a call.
Unavoid spirit.
It looks like the egg is in good spacing though.
It does mean the index are going to have to back away.
They're in good position to get some kills.
Now they have to chase.
Chere Jr., still having his BKB, is going to pop it now to kill no one with a requiem
right in the middle of all of these parry vision heroes.
Yandex, the reset.
It didn't really do too much to stop him here.
GG is called and a very valid GG call at that.
This game was very open.
Almost mechanic every single one.
The end of the game is 0, 2, and 1.
Like, he was almost disappointed in his own team.
Like, I'm not even going to go in the fight.
these fights look so bad. It might have been right, but we did it.
Orange got trapped. 0.3 to 5. That game had nothing going for him for a minute, basically,
1. Stuff perfectly executed over SF strat. If the lanes go okay, you can get your SFs
to farm. You start piling through those objectives. Early BKBs, there's no BKB control in this
lineup. I think this support duo really backfired with this slower pace for party. If they have
more early fights going for them, then these supports are contributing some kills with their
ults and they're playing that style of Odota and Destiny Wisdom Triads, I can see it work, but
if you're just farming, what is the end goal? You're not going to be able to do anything
to these BKB cores, and the BKB cores can go and just do objectives. They don't have to go looking
for you. You're going to have to go to them. So I don't see the game plan here for Parry
in terms of just fitting back and farming. I think they needed to get a lot more done in the
lane phase, a lot more done in that like 15 minute window to snowball this one.
We got some great scores here, 10-0-5 for Watson, Chirichuner, 6-0-12.
What the best score of all?
0-3-11.
Maladine, the equivalent of a support rampage.
I'm trying to reverse engineer the equivalent of a support rampage.
I feel like if it was like 0-0-15,
that would be like the equivalent of like a beyond-God-like support performance.
No deaths, no kills, all team assist.
Yeah, but I feel like once again Cap just says something that makes absolutely no sense anyway.
And the man's not here to defend himself, what a shame.
Although I will tell you that Quinn came to the defense of a Yandex before this series began.
You said that they are in a funk, but it is nothing that they need to be completely alarmed about.
There is a way to rescue yourself out of that funk.
Maybe it is off the shoulders of a shadow fiend who continues racking up wins in a dream league season 28 and Quinn
They get the dub
Yes, sometimes you just wake up on the right side of the bed and I say that with a little bit of tongue-in-cheek
But also I think there's some truth to that and that sometimes when you are in a funk
It's just it's just RNG like your brain is processing things and you're not really sure what it's processing
Like there's the conscious and unconscious understanding stuff right and I think sometimes like like how learning works
is that you're getting better and then you get way worse and you get way better and you get way worse and you get way
Better like it you dip in an upward curve. I think they might have just been in the dip
Maybe they talked about some stuff is after some scrim and they're trying to incorporate it into their gameplay into their mind
And so they got worse, but now it's incorporated their brain is fully processed
They had enough REM sleep now. It's whoop. They're going back up again. The letter either all that or
You know
You can choose don't do it
No one's looking at you, but you know what, that's the last time I'm ever defending nine
class in my life.
Okay, you did not rise to the Phoenix occasion?
No, but actually interestingly enough, just on the topic of Phoenix before we criticize
the sun is that it's occurring simultaneously three times.
So in three of the four series right now, there have been three phoenixes.
So I was just wondering if this hero is trending and screams the last few days, why has it
suddenly become that it hero of today?
Does that happen often in tournaments where...
I would say so, yeah.
I mean, it's quite frequent that you have like some hero
you play against it in scrims and like your mid laner is like
this hero is bullshit, you can't do anything against it
and now suddenly like you are jailed to playing this hero only
it's like the best hero in the game
because like your mid laner's thought about it is like
it comes to runes
I can't kill it for free
it has a glimmer cape
before 45 minutes into the game
that's just unfair!
the hero is broken
We have to play it.
Yeah.
It's been faked.
I mean, that's just kind of how it goes sometimes.
I see the trends.
And in this game, it seemed like maybe the purpose of the Phoenix was create a bunch of stacks.
But then we were wondering why not pick a Keeper of the Light to do that instead.
And maybe it's because Phoenix is just trending more.
I mean, that's why we're game crafting, right?
Yeah.
Our base on absolutely nothing except guessing is...
Well, and the gameplay, because he was stacking a bunch.
Yeah.
What else is Phoenix supposed to do as a 4 position in that game?
I mean, I feel like the main question is, what does 9-class give Pari normally?
I feel like normally he enables no one's game, and he gets the mid laner like snowballing
and he gets him going, and then this game you see clearly that no one was absolutely not
snowballing.
There was nothing really happening surrounding his hero.
And I think when you remove that from 9-class, it hurts their team as a whole.
I think like when he stacks his caudal, he still is able to influence no one's game through with this hero.
But with Phoenix, he just doesn't know how to do it. He doesn't find the opportunity to do that, and it really hurts them.
And Quinn, there seems to be a very short list of players that we trust on Void Spirit right now in general.
Yeah, I'm going to say that list of active players is one. I think it's Nisha, and I don't think anyone else should be touching that hero.
Uh, people just, they don't, they don't get it. They do the wrong skill builds, they buy the wrong items.
It's icky. As a, as a void spirit expert self-proclaimed. I, it gives me the ick. Every time I say, I'm looking, he's 1, 2, 2.
You don't, you don't do that. You just don't do that. That's not a skill build.
On any hero in Dota, 1, 2, 2, just like a bad order, because all of your spells have high mana,
but also all of them do no damage. Like, there's a reason you max spells, right?
And heroes don't go 2, 2, 2. Like, this doesn't make any sense. So I see that.
Yeah, no one don't don't play this here. Oh, go play sniper or something
I'll vouch for your expertise and because their last phase bands are also strange because they banned out pock ember and
Yannick's been down
Huskar slaughter and so
There was an opportunity for party vision to let one of the spirits go that wasn't void storm obviously got picked up and
That was selected but then they banned out their own ember
They banned out their own puck potentially if that's what they wanted well
Well they didn't have overall last pick, right? So they had 23.
I thought Void was 24, I thought Void was 23.
Yeah that is very strange of them. Maybe they thought that something like Ember, had they given it away, would have been harder to deal with than something like Storm.
That had to be the assessment there, like oh now we have the issue of an Ember snowballing with all of these heroes.
But it does feel like in this tournament we've changed so many 24pig Void spirits where it makes me wonder, are teams overvaluing him or is there something that I'm just not seeing?
because in almost all of the Void Spirit games that I've watched so far,
he's like in the middle of the net worth chart.
It feels like, oh, this was a great pick by them,
but then when it plays out, it just seems to fall flat.
Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, I genuinely think people pick it because it's fun.
Like, I think both Nisha was owning on it and Blast, like, he was popping off,
he had some Giga games, and also the hero is fun.
And so anytime somebody sees anyone else pick it, they're like,
it's playable, it's back!
They pull the whole team, bring the bells, the British are coming!
It's playable and then like any time they a game pops up when they need a melee your voice spirits melee
I have a hero just for you and they pick them and they lose and then you lose one game on the hero
I'm done. I'm never playing this hero again. It's so awful. Yeah, that's the cycle
I mean, I don't really remember but I think Nisha was playing it into like bad matchups
Like he was playing against like razors and stuff and drawing lanes
I think he's not like
Because I think usually when you pick last last you want to really mess up the other guy and he's not that guy
I feel like I mean maybe I'm wrong, but I think there's very few matchups in which that he he is done
I get think if you're against like Puck. Puck and Book are the only heroes you can even dream of winning the lane against or if I'm
Personally if I'm playing win ranger mid then it's like impossible to play against Void spirit
That is actually really hard. Is it I played against Maureen one time and he dunked on me
I was winning to win against Void Spirit. Okay, so Williams been making fun of me for my way
I could not get it. I'm sorry, but I could not get a single last fit as win ranger against
I'm like his animation was a little bit, I got a few but I'm just saying it was bad.
I was getting out to see it was bad and I was like this matchup's unfair.
He's like, go stop, blah blah blah blah.
But now I have it come true.
I'll play the man against him, I'll tell him I hear him.
Okay, sounds good.
That's like some ideas are wrong here because didn't he also say, oh it's so hard playing
in Phoenix.
I mean I'm only here, like this entire movie for me is just like putting out all the stuff
that William said that's incorrect.
I just want to say one thing before I move on is, I also think party in general didn't look that clean in this first game because that entire game, I only saw them do the arena combo one time.
And it was that like teamfight near the fermentor area, like minute 28, and all they got was an ogre. It was the one time that they did it, the whole game.
This guy's nine glasses in the Phoenix player, so don't defend him anymore.
Never again!
And I've been very distracted because there's been something very, very delightful smelling in front of us.
We... were baking a little cake during that game.
Ooooooh!
Oh! Okay.
What the heck happened to it?
I don't know, it has like a core.
It looks like an apple pie or something like that.
Uh... I don't think it's supposed to be the... brah in the middle.
It looks very gooey. It looks like a brownie.
Was this in... Tental?
Uh...
Was it cooked long enough?
Oh, okay, wait. It's solid. It's solid.
Why does it look wet?
I don't know, but it smells great.
It does smell good.
This is only the first part, though. We need to do some decorating on that, and in the meanwhile,
party vision need to figure out... uh, yeah, don't let Phoenix cook on this too much. It's gonna be
bad news for the cake. It's bad news for party vision. Let's see if they can fix it up as we get
ready for game number two.
That bloody time!
Just leave, just move your body to the music
Just leave, just let the music take control of you
Just let the music take your toll, just let the music just fade
Whatever you research, everything to do
Girl, I just want you alive
It's so fake, it's so fake
Girl, I'm just one of your ones
It's been so very long
Simple rules are free in my mind
Every time I feel you close
Take me to the hardest part
You just can't control
This box we're going to cry
I'm the neck and I'm on a high
I just can't describe
Girl, you know that it's so easy
So easy
Just let the music take control, just let the music just fade
If only you and me
The dance floor's just a rust
And magic's all around
I've got something on my mind
Something goes off in my mind
You've got nothing you've lost
Take the start, start
You just can't control
This one's between two fly
I'm the light, I'm on the high
Like you can't be spreadin'
Don't you know that it's so easy?
So easy
No, no, no, no
Just been turned it off
I'm just gonna get in
Get in
I'm about to quit my life
Just leave
All you gotta do
Just hope you'll find it too
And there was it
Just leave to the music
Just let the music take control of you
Just leave to the music
Just who you fight to
Just let the music take control
Just let the music play the steam
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold our future in your hands I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection Then come and sweep me off with more faith
We could just solve all this confusion
If we could sort it out
It gets through this situation
No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who we are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know what you know
That we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me
That you think everything's going fine
You sure got a funny way of showing
So this is where I draw the line
If we could just solve all this confusion
If we could sort it out
I could get through this situation
No more hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who we are
Welcome back friends
To the great Dream League big boss
Oh, yeah, you did the thing in Dixie.
It got dunked.
It got dunked, like Phoenix, not Dundun.
Except not the Phoenix is in other games, apparently.
It's just the pause for Phoenix.
Well, we don't know that yet.
We haven't seen the results.
Well, Liquid are winning.
If Liquid are winning, then.
If Liquid are winning.
Not hero-based.
That also means that Shadowfiend's winning.
Liquid!
Yeah, where's the voice line?
Liquid!
There it is, guys.
Do you guys want it to be whipped cream on the sides as well?
Just like a fully submerged.
This whipped cream is not that sweet, so...
I mean, uh, you...
I would not go heavy on it.
Thankfully, we have all of those bangles over there.
Would you go heavy?
Well, I have a nice trigger to it when she does whipped cream.
Because then it's just gonna be like a wet, bland thing, right?
If it's sugary, at least you can justify it.
It's about what it looks like.
It's a cake decorating contest.
That's true, actually. We haven't determined...
I mean, Twishak can't taste it.
They cannot taste it.
So I guess it's purely aesthetic.
We need like 5D, but taste.
Imagine if you could taste this dream.
That would be crazy.
What am I doing?
It's the future of Twitch.
It would be problematic, I feel.
It would get abused very, very quickly.
Let's add smello vision.
There you go.
I don't know if I would...
That would be interesting.
I feel like it would be bad.
You guys do not want to smell Twitch streams.
I promise you that you do not want to smell Twitch streams.
Dude, ask a goal to have no viewers.
You're going to load your stream on Twitch, you boot up the stream and plug your nose.
Like the average Twitch stream?
No.
Dude imagine if you can't turn the smell off.
Oh yeah it's like a bar where you can turn it on and off.
Yeah.
And like your bar breaks and every time you turn the stream on it just goofs, just smells
volume controls.
Your mom opens the door.
What do you want?
Nothing.
I swear.
What's our cake strategy real quick because it's about aesthetic value?
I feel like we should pick a Dota themed thing and try to design the cake according to it.
Because whether if we succeed or fail, it'll be a good time for the people at home.
Can we make a cake bowl?
Let's think.
How would we make the glasses?
Do you think you can do that with sprinkles?
We have these silver pearls.
love Gabe Noel. They would both love you. I like what you're thinking. We can do a
Gabe kick. Because he has the white beard, right? So we can, if we cover enough for
them, and he's also white, so if we cover enough for the like himself, then we
make him, you know, then like, we amp up the fluff a little bit on the bottom, that
could be like his beard. That's his beard. Yeah, because he is, he is Santa
Pill. He is Santa Pill. Okay, I'm convinced we're gonna do a Gabe kick. In the
And meanwhile though, party vision are making a Viper cake.
They respond, or no, they first pick Viper, Yandex respond to Viper with a Razor after
a, oh well, party vision actually banned out Slark.
This is backward.
Yes.
There's no way party vision banned out their own Slark.
I'm tagging you in to do the slides if you're getting tagged in.
But also the ban's not there.
Whatever team is raiding it is second pick.
Can we get production to confirm which team is which, just to make sure?
In the meanwhile though, Slark, Batrider, Tree of Protector, Shadowfiend and Tinker.
Does the Tinker band tell us anything about which team might be which?
I think for sure the team that banned Slark is not party vision.
Okay, it shifts right now.
Now it's correct.
Yes, this is the latest.
So first pick was indeed Razor and it was responded to by Oviper and Marcy.
and Marcy, party vision, follow up that Razor with a Monkey King.
This Razor Viper trade is funny to me,
because I think in theory Viper is pretty good against Razor,
because Razor needs to run in to do damage most of the time,
and you just kind of ult him,
and you kite him, like you kite him better than he kites you,
because both of those heroes kind of do similar things,
and Viper's a little bit better at his job against Razor specifically.
So it's interesting to me that there was,
I guess that they picked Razor over Viper, I suppose,
They did first pick it
It's also a bit surprising though the annex didn't opt to ban monkey at some point
Just I feel like that is perversions best hero historically like by far whether it be on core
No one's really good at or nine-class monkey is like a terror. What would you give up?
Would you give up triumphant bat or asses? It's like that's the question, right?
I feel like you give up that because you've already if you've already banned his idiot melee dudes, right then like
I think in theory, you have a better matchup, right?
Vibrant to Monty than vibrant to that?
Yeah, it's just not in class Monty.
It's always the conversation of comfort versus theoretical draft integrity.
Because I think that's less comfort for Perry.
But Monty is a worse hero, but it's more comfort.
They could have also given up Tinker because Monty was second face thick and yet they found
more value in banning up the tinker.
I think I saw no one play, I don't know if it wasn't the Viper specifically, but he did
have a really nice performance on tinker.
That's true.
And I think for Hari specifically, their tinker is extra annoying because there is a world
in which Satanic plays at carry.
And there's also a world in which mind class plays at four.
And I feel like the cause to play five.
I don't know how good it is in the meta on all these different positions, but like there's
a lot of factors that you have to factor in.
with the monkey king at least you know what you're gonna get and I think that's
something that you can't underestimate like having draft predictability is
quite a big big thing for a lot of things too it's like set up the responses
the way they want sure
but Razor Ripper is really interesting I feel like when Omar came onto the scene
first this became a matchup that you everybody kind of had to explore a lot
and I do know he used to pick Ripper a lot into Razor but from those times the
I remember it is Razor kind of has a lot of like tools against Viper too because you're high single target damage with which Viper dislikes
So if you are able to get on top of them and he isn't able to cut you you kind of like you can flip the script a bit
so it becomes somewhat of like a skill matchup and like
situations how they play out and what the team composition looks like I think ultimately it's like not
It's very hard to say that it's wings one way or the other consistent me
I am worried about this Mars vs. Kez though. Every time I've seen this matchup this Mars
just gets annihilated to a degree where he just can't even begin to play the game. Because
this lane in early game is so horrendous. And even once you get the arena a lot of matchups
change while Mars is part of one of the reasons why heroes so strong is even if your lane
is blase, eventually you get 6 and then now the other guy can die really easily if you
bring numbers. But Kez if you press arena he just spins in a circle and then takes no
damage and heals to full so it's like not only is the lane trashed but you also
have a lot of time ganking it after it's like a lot of things about this matchup
are crap yeah this Marcy changed the equation at all if that ends up being the
lane probably not it's like that much of a Marcy player is he okay because I
feel like I don't really associate him with Marcy I think last year one of the
Dreamleaf when he was Tundra, he was playing Marcy in like almost every game and he was
just completely crushing.
So when I look at these heroes, I would very much rather the Muerta, unless it's a carry
Muerta Flex, because you do see this Marcy, she could be leaning with her.
Like if it is a support Muerta, I would rather it goes with Mars just to kind of make that
Kessling easier, because like Quinn mentioned, it is a Vismal.
And I've even seen Kesses go hunt Mars in the jungle after they've like taken the tower.
Yeah.
Now I really like the kez on the Mars. I've been asking for it every single time I see a Mars
So they do the buck and in volbans. They're kind of covering their viper. It looks like and
It looked like party was gonna put the razor off it
I feel like as a parent of the monkey king, but they kind of just swerve it there. I think for lack of better
mid-heroes
Unless they might is beast mid into Viper playable
I mean, I think it's probably sort of playable, but I think it should be good for Viper
I think Beast generally is pretty dominant laner, so like Viper is 2, but I think it's
more chill for Viper to have a calm first few minutes and then it's for Beast, because
if Beast is not ahead, then it means when the subs come and fight him, it's very bad
for him.
Like he's a strong mid hero because he makes the other mid hero neutered, so when the 3v3
has happened, it's like a 3v2 sort of, because the mid hero just sucks because he's 2v4
from getting hit by Bors.
So back when Marta was a popular carry pick, like for that one patch,
weren't people picking her into Beast Lester or am I misremembering?
Yeah, I feel like people were very comfortable with that.
I don't think Beast like, yeah, I don't think it's like that tough.
Marta, Marcy, if it happens to be that lane, I think into Beast Monkey King should be pretty easy.
Like, he wouldn't have that good of a game.
Watson loves Moira to carry. Every time we pick Moira to like early on as a
support you're like, you get the last pick, what if I just play?
Let's just flex it real quick. Yeah, I guarantee you he wants to flip Moira to right now.
Maybe he won't, but he wants to.
Harry is expecting it because they ban out two supports. They ban out Hoodwink and Shadow Shaman in Final Phase.
When you have a hero like Kez whose damage is all physical and Moira to value automatically,
Because she just purses ulti as a carry, and maybe that was their read on it that they're going to go for this anyway.
And now the Phoenix, this hero is trending dude, I'm telling you, this is the 4th Phoenix pick.
It's another 4 Phoenix, why?
It's the Staxa, it's Mars Phoenix again also.
I really do think that the idea of sending it to 4 is just having a hero that even if the lane goes to shit, you just stack the triangle much more comfortably.
I feel like Staxa also makes much more sense on the hero to me than my class.
I feel like he can be stuck bot.
Like, it's Thunderstuck's turn now, not, like, Yandex's Tuck's turn.
You know, more of like, the way he played with Nara, I think.
Sure.
But, I do think that, so I was defending him, right, in the last game, but he did not look
like a Phoenix player.
So, I think that maybe in the hands of a Phoenix player, we get to see what the concept is,
but seems to have emerged today.
And, like, why people are giving it that farm priority and lane priority.
Like, maybe this will be the enlightening game for us.
We can gain some enlightenment, perhaps, and we're only able to do that from a distance, though.
But what if you were able to watch Dota in person? Cap and Avery, you know where such a thing could happen?
Ooh, I would say perhaps Birmingham.
Birmingham?
Coming soon?
Coming soon!
That's right! It's one of my favorite events of the year. I was very sad to miss it last time.
I think that outside of TI. I think it's my favorite third-party tournament has the best crowd
That's absolutely sure going down gonna get me some room gonna watch me some dough to take it away
What take it away by me you know football champs don't you
Now
I'm
Blanket
It's the gyro pick all over again.
I'm just gonna call like this.
I'm dropping a whole lot of cans on the floor.
Hello, Taksvik.
All right, friends.
That's enough from us.
We gotta make a cake finish, and you gotta finish this series with cap.
Let's meet shit.
The events of the Phoenix, Phoenix returns in game 2, but this time, on the side of Yandex
Exaclis says, we decided not to class him and show you how to get it done.
Maybe he will.
Maybe he will show it.
I mean, they've got the Phoenix Mars combo again.
Do you feel like this Phoenix is different in any way?
Do you have any enlightenment?
Because we heard, if you talk about how, you know, maybe this is some sort of like scrimmage
or something, well, we're going to have to see like what this Phoenix is supposed to
be doing because whatever happened in game one wasn't it.
Well, I'll tell you one thing. He's he's a way better set up
purely due to the fact that he has a melee five we can go in and
The support synergy is gonna be better the way you play the maps better the way to set up gang says nicer
You know the hero they can go in off of like these two or three man hit squads that helps set the play out that helps
By a really large margin at this time we get to see hotspot
Which I think yes has to be part of the reason why people are picking up support Phoenix again is that
But again, Hotspot is actually, look at the numbers, it's kind of insane.
It's super broken.
If you can get like Aether Lens with Max Dunray later, it becomes insane, the damage output.
You just, so will Kill Chorus, if you can get full duration off.
Now, Spell can be a little difficult to land, especially at the max, max range, but it's
super strong.
We saw GHP's a little while back.
All the good tech, it originally comes from Niggna Galaxy, to be honest.
They're just a tech farm squad.
Everybody steals it and they look good, but it's theirs originally.
Gotta get credit where it's due.
It's all miracle.
Not only the plays, but he's got the brain.
I feel like the last few years have just been people trying to catch up to miracles.
They're still trying to catch up to it.
You think Dota 2 would be a different landscape if you could not incorporate, but you know,
you could patent these ideas?
He's super rich
Even more rich than he probably is
You just couldn't like if you're another team you just couldn't do something another team is doing
Unless you like paid some of your prize pool. Well, I'll tell you one thing. I wouldn't have a career. It's our true
I stole everything
He's not gonna like that joke
I don't mean that Sam.
Sam would probably be one of the richest guys.
Yeah, a lot of people stolen from him.
Watson fighting it out, but they two minutes to get first blood first before Watson dies.
Is that worth it, core for core?
I mean, you got the first blood, so it's gotta be worth it.
Yeah, it's fine here.
It's fine. You get to come back for full of worth with the boots won, so you're not buying extra regen here.
in here. I think anytime you can take down Razor Fight for the Lighting Phase, it feels
a little bit, a little bit good too. And again, if this Marsy has a really good game, it's
nice for the rest of the lineup because I think there's some pressure on Malady to be
the setup here. As Mars might struggle against his Kes. Fan will point it out this matchup.
It's a tough one. It's doozy. They're doing pretty good so far early though and maybe that's
another reason the Phoenix is up here. Try and help this matchup. Ghost of Fire Spirits
So on the Kez, you can't fuse your Mars as easily.
I don't see how- like, surely other four positions would give you better.
Who?
Manchester kid.
Cause I ref- cause he just hit the Echo Slash or whatever anyway.
That's like where most of the damage in lane comes from.
Okay, name me a four.
Name you a four position that is going to fight Kez.
Put the Chikiro in here.
Whoop ass.
Ugh.
There's speed up here, man.
Too slow.
Okay, I'm realizing whatever I said you would have just responded with that so it's not
true.
You just happen to say something incredibly dumb.
Or notice.
No one doing really well mid though.
This beast.
Not all the melee heroes are gonna be able to lane against Viper mid but he's crush
here right now on this Beastmaster.
22 and 9.
Yeah.
That's such a weird big hero because he could just turn matchups that he's a fake other major
Other melee mids can't handle into going for this and you're not going for what's going on here boys
I'm not sure. I don't like anybody knows what the hell's happening. I think even nine class was confused
So wait, and I'm supposed to be the one trolling people behind the tower
Well as good as no one is doing triple s is doing as
as badly 10 and 1 for this Razor off of the early first blood.
Seems like not able to really lane too well.
Weren't telling Marcy it was scary.
Super strong lane for sure.
There's so much early spell power you can get thrown out of position,
throw back into a calling if he takes an early deadshot back into Marcy,
right clicks with super high base damage.
Very toxic lane.
Especially when you have nine classes, you're just not in lane most of the time.
It's good to be top though, he has Arnie as blood grenade, he really wants an early kill here.
And Sox is looking real juicy, they hit him with a boundless strike whip, and now chase after, notice, oh what?
And fear plus the fire spear is killed to Kala's.
Notice, I cannot believe he just tried to pull that off, did he just drop a bracer and want it?
That was insane, you were gonna die either way.
He almost got out of there.
Did he?
Nice little moose.
Yeah, if he had like another 300 HP, might've lived.
At least they got back up the hatch. This is a really strong rotation.
It's not a lot you can do against this. It's just too fast.
TP tree line, instant stun jump in.
Ooh, the Phoenix off of that death, though, rotating into mid and getting the kill on no one.
That's big.
Who's performing so well.
That's the biggest kill so far.
Super huge for Sox's game.
Now he gets those extra levels.
Were we just casting Soxta in this position yesterday?
Matched up Mars against Kez, and at some point he's just like,
you know what, that's not a lane I want to be in.
Just rotate out.
Yeah, he's right.
You don't really want a lane against Kez if you can avoid it.
Well, T'Kaz does the same thing.
Off of his death, he also rotates.
It's the off-lane to kill Watson.
These monkeys...
Make some stuff happen here in the early game.
Yeah, good, good ward.
Otherwise they would have been running into an amp damage viper
Instead there they're maybe gonna set up on him. No, there's a little fight in here. Yeah, that's pretty hard to pull off
That's what anything about the monkey in the tree so they're gonna try and cut the trees
Oh, I'm on one. Oh, I'm on the right one, but he's seen no one they're like wait a minute
We can't take this fight pick me up pick me away
And I class gonna chase after him hit him with a boundless strike to finish off malady chair junior
still making his way out of here. Now what do you do from here if you're
parry vision? You've got four heroes. Are you willing to dive this?
Might be. I mean, the beast here, you have Roar. Just all of his Viper, the rune is running out.
Yeah, they might just get both. Roar, go after the Viper, get that kill.
He gets off a Viper, strike onto the Beastmaster.
I think he's gonna be okay, Watson. Pretty clearly gonna get
run down here as well. Oh, this game's looking like the opposite of Game 1. It is, indeed.
He's just all parry in this early game and so much for this, this line-class monkey.
It's like the complete blitzcrank, they took the Phoenix, he's like,
okay now you have to play as Darkshut here, I'm gonna own.
He's just owning.
Level 5, 2-0 and 5-start, Urn has paid off, the Blood Grenades have paid off,
he's made all the right moves.
All about comfort.
He really is during the draft man.
White people ban it, man.
Dima 4 positions right now.
Socks are getting some solo time mid. Still having himself quite a game here on the Phoenix.
He's got way more levels. He's like a full level higher than his carry, which...
It's not necessarily a good thing, but he'll take it.
We'll see how well they're able to put together the combo, because there was something not really working with 9 class and triple S on that.
that Mars Phoenix A combo they really only got it off once and that was not
even a teamfight winning one so we'll see if those pieces get put together a
little bit better as Soxa is almost level six.
Looking for something but trying to get some good vision down nine classes
tracing him the whole way through though gets the dive gets the d-word nice XP
for him. The terrain of terror continues. He's just controlling the the map right now with
teams. Kev's pre-farming top solo. Eastmaster farming jungle solo. These are the heroes you
want getting accelerated in this game. Reezor's just here to take the front of the early game.
Just keep showing down here. He's like the only point of attack. Not a lot for Yandex to do.
You can stack up. What do you think about Watson jungling so early?
I was about to say, you can stack, but Mortha doesn't jungle so well early and doesn't clear stacks super early.
So are you really stacking for Viper?
There's a reason he's not level 6 yet, because he's been back in the jungle with level 1 of his passive.
Yeah, he's lower level than me.
It's usually what happens when I play with Flaks, but it's not for good reason.
Your carry's supposed to be higher level than the 5 guys.
What happens with the game in you and slacks?
Oh, he just instantly pushes the wave with warlock.
I died 1v2 and then he says my carry is terrible.
And then he folks all this fellow xp.
There's a lot of slacks haters out there right now.
I knew it!
Slax is gonna have some words for you later.
Slax, it wasn't me! I didn't bring this up! Just be clear!
Yeah, you know what I have to say? Fuck. That's what I have to say.
Haha, no, his roar goes out!
Notice he's not gonna find the arena rotation he was looking for.
I find us lurking in the trees.
Yeah, he's getting way too much information on the entirety of the
index. You just can't find any kill openings here.
Laps a little too slow and it's really, they have to rotate Mars and the Mars
gate scouted along all of these river paths. At some point in time you can't
let this keep happening. Soxa finally, he's gonna come out of his
envies and try and push to call us back, but damage is already done. The creep wave
was pulled off the tower they will group tank it up together with the shield yeah
you have to use like punch the back the party or just juggling too many heroes
right now
first hour to fall average time is 1038 really why is it so late is is that has
Is that been the meadow and I just haven't noticed?
No towers get taken?
Is it that late?
Is it average?
I mean that definitely met us where 100% it was going down,
you know, before 10 minutes.
But I don't think that's that crazy.
That means roughly half the towers are between,
you know, eight to 10 minute mark.
That seems kind of reasonable.
The other half are 10 to 12?
Yeah, the game's really slow.
It's all down.
Let's not f*** that lady.
Satanic taking some risks here trying to keep this tower alive.
He's trying to pull the creeps off of him.
He's a cat. There's no worse but this hero.
They're gonna arenae and SSS is on the wrong side of it.
He's gonna turn back around, hit the egg with the rest of his team.
Now the wheel goes down at one side.
Beautiful stuff keeps Satanic alive.
Where it's coming in from behind will finish off one.
Now tries to go after Satanic too but he's running out of damage.
Can he get the final hit? He can't!
So Chanix stays alive. I mean, that was a terrible fight for Yandex as is,
but they could have killed the Razor and the Kez.
Might have been a little bit better.
Classic Kez dota, man.
You think he's out of position? You think you got him?
Nope. Very clutch-escape-act from the call, so that was an absolute on point.
He supports for party, doing work this game's night and day.
From the previous one, and this time it's Yandex suffering to bring these teamfights together.
Together you kind of land your combo. I did not really they came in from behind and killed that egg
Yeah, the downside
Like you're landing your combo in the upper half of this play so you're not landing it on the lower half
And no one just does so much work here
He's just mopping the floor on the bottom half while everybody's looking at this kez
Oh, the dagger gets soaked up by the creep.
Now he's here, Watson.
They dive back in here, which your junior's showing up.
They have to shrink the Viper.
They feel like they should be able to win this fight.
No one is a streak.
He does not have Roars, so he's a goal for Watson there.
Probably the hero you want in all of them, trying to finish the maelstrom.
Got the fact that Kez chased away the Mars without the Desno and he doesn't have anybody
backing him up.
Well, Phoenix is still here in this top lane.
The theory of the Mordz is a good match against him though, you know.
In theory.
I, okay, I can kind of see what you're talking about and the whole physical damage.
Yeah, he's turning through.
What's he gonna do?
But what's he going to do is he's going to grappling claw away from your ultimate and then kill everybody else.
I just feel like Muerta, one of her biggest issues is getting kited on her own.
And Kez does that really well.
He's really good at being able to go onto Muerta, force her to pop that ult and get out.
Or there's a possibility of just silencing Muerta and Puncture Zero in there.
You're not thinking about it, this hands does a lot of things.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Surprised, Valve introduced a new hero to Dota that does everything?
No.
I've never seen that before.
And then there's Largo.
He does one thing.
He does it really well.
He's a big boy.
Why are you just monkey?
Why not, man?
Why are you just monkey?
Why not, man?
You're gonna agree to at least do it with style.
I think he's already done his job.
Pick me up to get him out of the Shrek Malady. We'll die for this.
Look how he just...
He really...
Bought into that idea.
He didn't try and run the same direction as Watson.
He ran into the enemy team and said,
Please, take me.
I'm offering you this free kill if you don't chase Watson.
He knows his role.
9 class healing, some creeps being annoying.
He's gonna get bad.
He just had himself way too good an early game here.
3, 1, and 9 Midas party all night.
Yeah, that's what I like to Midas.
He already did his job.
Yeah, I agree.
He already did his job.
I agree.
Okay, to call us, that's not really the combo, but it's a good thing you have, Kaz.
Only a 600 Kaz are I could talk to, Stax.
Yeah, if you just had another 450 HP, you could have lived.
Well, counter move coming in bottom, the index trying to desperately find anything in this
game.
And they're running to the race- Oh, no, oh no, they still got him on the Viper Strike,
though.
They're a little tough with the Plasmas, he was throwing them down so much.
What a nice Plasmas, he's taking on Watson.
Alright, they will get the razor. Had to pop the ult.
That class is too scary, slows it down a little bit long enough for no one to get here.
Once again, Valady is like, please, take me, don't take my cores.
It's just too much space right now for this Kez to do whatever he wants.
He can join the fight, chase the farming.
They know Wapsen wants to keep farming his way through here.
And he doesn't have his ultimate.
Whips, flow down, tagger's gonna take him out if the physical damage does not.
Nine class makes his heroes look so broken you wonder why no one else plays them.
And then whenever they try you go, yep, that's why he's the only one who does it.
thing sucks that during that. How do you enjoy your Phoenix?
That's so talk so easy is it?
Baited him into playing it and then he just beat his ass.
I know at Nandex we're going to be able to find more with the Marci early, like some
ganks on the mid. There's TB Marci mid, jump on his Beastmaster, go top fight on Kez with
Fire Spirits but none of that happened.
Yeah, Viper Marci is pretty potent duo.
Yeah, I don't think no one should have been able to just get out of this mid.
Having won the lane straight up and then just jungle for free.
He never gets touched once in this game.
That is not a recipe for success.
Jorian next year.
Trying to finish up these Zags team behind Tim, smoking through this area.
Frankly, I'm a little bit surprised they smoked down here just because
I feel like the chance of them running into the Monkey King and losing their smoke and
not getting a kill is pretty high.
of
the
Oh, he's coming for you. Oh, no. Okay, okay. He baited him out in a different kind of way.
Dang. Space free. Not noticed. Whippin' the wheel.
See if this hot spot can keep him alive. Got the arena out and the spear.
Good escape back right as the spear was hit onto Kez.
Steeps him a lot of greed, but too many heroes for him to survive.
I guess this is not that bullshit.
It still has a limit.
Second Watson can show up these fights and actually hit people.
The index are now a much better time in this game.
It was good smoke rotation, but then I looked at Parivision's network lead.
Did not realize it was that high.
Seven thousand network lead.
There's a lot on this beast faster and
Mightnest Monkey is starting to pick it up.
Nikes, of course.
Doing satanic things.
But it doesn't look terrible. If you get tags on the Viper, you can put a team fight together where you fight an arena egg with Watson in a good position. I think they are a lot stronger than the network disparity shows.
He's going to stop him right as he was about to complete the TwinGate channel.
Just gusting around of impact.
9 class here compared to that game.
And the entire game is just different because of it.
I owe you one.
Yeah, this team is pretty abandoned on him.
That's just how it goes, like, the way he plays.
If he gets to do his thing, it creates a huge amount of pressure and annoyance on the map
and the team thrives as a side benefit of that.
If he's not able to do that, then your risk is playing 45.
I could tell you it's not easy to play for
That's man who did it for many years
Who were you miss well, I was in an A team so any players are only worth like
Three four sir for the year but later every single one of them
I don't think Parry won a force fight behind towers or anything like that, but if you can
make Yandex go into you, the Viper's just gonna have to run in and try and find something.
Oh, I mean, you got the blink dagger on notice.
They do have this combo, right?
Arena, egg, and then also the Viper knows diving into the middle of that arena, and planting
as nether talks and it sounds really toxic but apparently not enough to stop parry vision
from getting the first agent. A lot of that requires you just running into the fight and
assuming monkey is not going to break your smoke or path. It's got you stun somebody
and then you're just stuck in this awkward situation where you have to arena the monkey
off the tree well at this rate it's the index are kind of all in on one person one person
only their big game combo of this arena egg into the viper and everything is a good workout
then it's all on Watson which Watson kind of could match up but can one where to handle
Three different cores scaling up. I don't really think so. Oh, oh, yeah, this is oh, yeah
Cheryl's built like a truck
As long as you know how to handle her
That's a weapon
Yeah
Got him
That was a nice little bait there
No one just has to.
They're walking into three heroes here.
They're coming through the gate, but if Satanic gets killed fast enough, trying to pull him
back into the silence, burst him down, they've got to do this fast, otherwise the rest of
the team gets here.
Okay, they take away the Aegis, now they're going to run.
The rest of Par-Evision is here for their revenge.
Jira Junior is not convinced that they can't stick around, but I'm trying to tell you,
Jira Junior, get out.
He's gonna get damage, BKBB's master, you want none of that, son.
Nice little Aegis Knight, it's definitely worth the support there.
Buy some time for this board to keep farming it up, try and get to some BKBs or Crimson
Guard on your Viper.
But it will be triple BKB for Pari, maybe even quad BKB if the mugs get there.
And then this combo.
I can't believe he didn't arena him or anything
You've been killed there solo though. I mean viper is walking over there. You could probably keep him for jumping in the trees
The thing is if you arena him
You can't spear or he just heaps out after this beer
Don't do that much
Probably just going to jam their BKB timing here.
Your Morta's not going to do a whole lot.
Your Viper's not going to do a tremendous amount and your combo's not going to do a
tremendous amount.
All these things are going to get mitigated in this game with quad BKB.
So I think the Andex are feeling some pressure right now and make something happen.
It's just tough to figure out where to do it.
The best objective is Roche, but you missed that a long time.
Oh my god.
Got him with the goddamn Croaker, man.
You don't go on nine class, he will eventually go on you.
He has just boned his range, oh man.
No one is allowed in here without paying the Monkey King toll.
Viper strike turn around, breaking the Beastmaster.
Without the roar, it's kind of interesting. The Beastmaster gets a little bit low, trying to pick me up to get close enough, but he's already out.
And now the Viper is in pretty deep. Satanic takes the fight to Malady, and then he'll save her for the Viper.
He starts back away with the egg explosion coming in the side. Sox is trying to protect his cores where he can.
Nice hit there from Nightglass, found the strike on two with the Sunrape burnout.
right burnout. They're actually able to kind of stand their ground, the combination of the
egg on the far left kind of pushing party vision away, not able to fight into the viper
so much.
It's a pretty awkward fight for party. The beastess can't commit because he doesn't
have roar, so no one just kind of inbiz walks away, can't fight the viper with all the attack
speed slows. And once he's out of the fight, you don't have a lot of sustained damage there.
Yeah, Monkey's doing a lot of flashy things, but he didn't have any impacts here.
Almost catch no one, but there's no detection. He had Invis and Hamptam is there.
That is the worst Wukong this man has probably ever had in his career.
He dropped it, instantly broke it.
But even then, it's kind of hard to re-engage. That's it. I don't know if I gave you any time to get it.
the game go cheer junior gets caught as it looked like they tried to go for
something here in yandex did not bring enough heroes for it he just needs to
renaut and back down need the Mars BKB so we can exist in the fight longer and
they need this egg to go off in a better spot it's kind of hard because again
they faced a similar problem the last time which is BKB control you drop egg
how do you keep heroes around the egg yeah maybe they're not gonna kill it but
Well, if they just kite it
You have nothing to keep them there with a with the quad BKB online, so
That's why I say the best fight for Yannick's is Roche because at least Roche you can put Watson the paper with the viper
You can force the objective and then if Harry won't contest it. You just egg in the pit
You get value out of that egg no matter what they have to like BKB fight into the egg
Which is a way worse if we notice it gonna be sandwiched here
No one challenges him and puts them right into his two supports that were scouring the bottom side of the map
Oof, and then came through the gate.
Pick-offs add up, man.
I feel like it's like half a party's lead this game.
It's just been killing random cores on the map
with Monkey King set up.
Yeah, game might move in.
My camera's just following nine class,
and I mean, this is level five tree dance thing.
You should be able to move around the map so quickly.
It's got DKB.
See, even if you do catch him,
he's not gonna go down pretty easy.
Good vision.
You're setting it up.
They have to deal with Malady first, otherwise Malady's gonna pick me up and take Watson
away.
They'll kill him and now no one tries to chase after him.
Doesn't mention hitting him with both the Hawk and the Tagger, another Tagger, doesn't
quite land.
Nice class.
Just trying to get a reaction.
And they got one.
This lineup's pretty static if you can just keep forcing them around the map.
They're not happy about it.
They're gonna lose a lot of network to just trying to react to your moves right now.
Bang class instantly gating back to top.
It's like he controls his bottom half, sets the play up, his team comes there, they get
the kill, and then he's off to the other half of the map to do the same thing.
Yeah, this time he's gonna see if he can steal away a wisdom shrine.
Or maybe just kill notice, because he can connect to this play, potentially.
And now the Viper has to go to the other side of the map to help protect that.
Cheer, Juniors! They're pulled around right now!
Smoke coming through, your combo online.
No BKB on the Mars, but you can still find some nice pins before the enemy BKBs go off.
that would be ideal. No Roche available. And it's the monkey. The stupid monkey in the
tree. So much for your 5-man smoke play. Having your camera locked on 9 class and watching
It's almost a little nauseating.
Tree down, tree down, down, tree, tree down.
Agus trying to see the situation. They're going to go after the ag, they're trying to block him.
The agus is going to successfully explode. Can they win this fight anyway though?
That says that's right in the middle of all these heroes, straight in a lot of the damage.
No one's already taken out another side of things. All left up to Watson to try and finish off at least one or two heroes.
He gets one. And that is not good enough.
To call this destroyed.
Like that wheel was a perfect place to catch multiple heroes, blocks the ramp, disjoints
that entire go initially from the index, and they had a nice little escape act on the monkey
which stalled out, Watson's damage going into him, and he was like the first point of contact.
That spear just did not latch into the tree, and that made such a big difference in this
fight.
Just kind of unlucky for notice, I mean you have the right angle, right idea.
This is also their quad BKB timing, so.
For sure.
If the egg successfully explodes, it doesn't do any damage.
Now there's no thinking it up. I mean, it can't explode HP here. No one's half HP.
Nice fun house appearance. It calls definitely happy about that. He's like, you didn't spear me, but I wield you.
Man, I wonder how different that fight is if that pins into the tree.
Yeah.
He just dies, there's no wheel there.
I don't even end up being a one-fifery. That's potentially Watson can hold his ground.
But with a refresher on no one, I mean, he's just so far.
There's nothing to deal with these roars right now.
Normally, you can kind of gear up over Lotus Linkins, but everyone's so poor in this game.
It's gonna be Lincoln's third item for Watson.
Yeah, he'll eventually get there, but it's still a ways away.
The Viper is not gonna have anything for a while.
Mars, just finish BKB.
Blink Dagger for Satanic.
I don't think I've seen that before.
It's gonna get in there.
It's a good Swift Blink, Carol.
Blinking.
Trank it on top of this marita.
I think it makes sense when you have double roar already on the field.
When you roar one of these core targets, you need the damage to connect on top of that roar.
The positioning helps a lot.
This is a fight for Roche.
boring the pit. So you win this, you win Aegis. Sox, you are farming the wrong team.
That was just a little greedy. When this row spawns, you know they're going to make a move for it.
It's going to buy back. We got Wukong's command out of 9 class and his BKB.
You kind of have to smoke here and take the fight here.
Yeah, you get some spells out of parry for that Phoenix death.
Just don't run into the monkey though.
The thing is that was an arcane room roar, he has another one in 15 with a refresher
up.
Now all he has to do is dodge the fight for a little bit longer.
It's up in 10 seconds.
You're not getting any window out of that Phoenix death.
9 class, he's just sitting back here on this cliff, on a ward, so if you back up into him,
he's going to step up.
Well got him on the deadchamber, good read of the situation, then follow up damage, okay,
we do have it.
We will punish him, I think that's, is that the first time they've punished him?
I don't even know if that was intentional, I think he was just shooting it up there to
check the ward spot because they have a central over and the fire monkey well
like last give it nine class take it he has no buyback well that might as well
these masters on the other side of the map right now he's gonna keep me into the
outpost they will still take the fight with the war yeah they should we're
still playing strong it goes for it needy man don't want to get out of the pit
that was a smooth move and the roar has to go into the viper bringing the viper
Number two of the Beastmaster, the A goes off and all party vision has successfully backed away.
Time to go back in with the wheel now, got the fight first.
Satanic quick to take advantage of that one, Sox is trying to stay outside of the pit with his sunray going out.
The arena goes in, the A just gets grabbed by Satanic!
He naps it away from Yandex!
He's going to need that extra life too because it was looking pretty good for Yandex.
The first life, Satanic still go to work because he'll take out the rest of Watson
and they just do not have enough left in the tank if your Yandex just ran out of damage.
If they had taken this fight at the first grove, I think we could see how strong their line-up is around the pit, just sitting in the Viper goo, the arena, the egg.
You buy so much time, but the fact that no one can go in or they have to egg, you can back completely out of the fight and then re-engage and still have tremendous impact.
They're just too far into this fight.
If you just tie out all their first round spells, you land the wheel, it controls the pit.
Very tough to get in here and contest this Aegis drop when Titanic can just
hit their BKB and spam click it. You get the Roche kill, you get a double pin.
Yeah, it was a really nice pin from Notice. I think the Index played this
play honestly pretty well. It's just much downward on these heroes.
They just keep throwing ult into you, keep throwing the BKBs. You have very little
control for it. But unless that Phoenix egg can stun
some of these heroes in the BKB, it's almost a death fence.
One lane of erics and a tier 3 28,000 net worth lead.
It's really interesting that Beast Raster had one of the worst rune rates at the previous
event.
People were kind of trying to play off lane and then there was a point where it just kind
of got switched back towards his mid axe build.
And all of a sudden he's owning games and he's winning lanes that maybe he shouldn't win to the degree he's winning, but it's one of those heroes who has good match-ups against a lot of toxic midlaners that are sometimes difficult to get out of with traditional melee heroes.
It's just like coming back full force, he's owning these games, pretty ridiculous, that one.
Bloodthorn is almost done and he has level 25.
This might have the refresher. I'll take the cooldown. Not the Wild Axis.
I do always find it should be able to take the cooldown when they already have refresher.
Because I... yeah, it's the stronger talent in terms of like long fights. You can even
sometimes get another war off. Or you can take a fight with a refresher cooldown or whatever,
but... no, I thought he should take the no Wild Axis.
What happened to her at the office?
The Beesha does attack the Beesha, right?
Level 25 for the Kez as well.
It's spooky season out here for Yandex.
Torment her for nine class.
And he finished that full switch.
Mass TP's to the outpost.
This is gonna catch somebody.
Can't catch the Biker, can't catch the Mars, doesn't manage to get a leap away, but your
junior's not that fast.
There's no BKBI there, so you're just never getting out of that kind of fight.
Slowest hero in the game with no escape mechanism.
Toast it.
Roast it.
Well, he does have a buyback.
They do also have the high ground defense if they're alive for it, spear back and dead
shot back.
I think Parched Jumping though, yeah I think so too.
I'm just saying there is a possibility of Yandex being able to have a hold here.
All on the Murta.
The Murta runs into any trouble to fight you though.
What's the Roar, my double Roar or Bloodthorne's it up, no, Bloodthorne's it up, look at that.
Ha ha ha ha, that's so fast, just, Static jumped in, he was instantly stunted over 2,000 damage
within that stun period, that's the face of the man wondering why Valve had it this
here over the game.
He almost got lost in that way too!
O'Perry is way back and the Manta dogs and the Viper strike.
Little players, Bode has action, very balanced in all things
of course.
Nice Fox finest creation.
There's Roar that picked me up as a responsibility now to try
and punish, but he just really just killed the one again.
Dude, notice can't catch a blink.
He gets roared solo kill top, buy it back, blink it, roared, kill the game.
It roars somebody else at this point.
Don't need to.
He won't need to, this game.
It's been all parried, 40,000 gold.
Trying to jump onto the razor.
I feel like we haven't even talked about the razor.
I don't know how they've had to do anything in this game.
Yeah.
Apparently, he's just been farming, he has a refresher, he's strong, but...
This game was just all Monkey King early into all beasts and now it's these plus
Keds. Yeah, it's a Kedge show. Disgusting. You got Keds in the late game.
You now have one of the highest DPS heroes in the game. As seen from the way
he just written about it, he now hundreds of zeros here a junior pretty quick.
Wheel Whip doesn't actually catch plots in yes that was very that was very nice
lots of gunoff is old GG out a whole lot of fanfare well they got nine
kinds of monkey that's what there's a big attack in this little band this hero
and his large band his monkey make him play something else or that is the
face of death right there so yeah next I learned a little bit of a lesson there
Maybe some other teams did, because they felt the pressure not early, but he just had a perfect turn.
Perfect moves, got through the lane, found the rotation,
Todd gets the hern charge, just finds out their moves.
Just create so much space for these cores to farm up, pull ahead, get the stacks done,
hit their timing, and then the second you hit a timing with this lineup,
it's so easy to go course-roach, so easy to just jump anybody,
roar them all in them with Kez, give us a skate back, plus the wheel to fail you out in the middle of the fight.
There's too much utility in this lineup for such high damage cores for you to have no
BKB piercing stones.
You know what's funny is that Quinn was ahead of this conversation about Viper, Razor and
how these heroes are usually much stronger when they come back into the meta, right?
Because you, you know, you adjust to it, spend a little time dealing with those.
I think the same way about like tank-class monkey, like whenever it goes a little bit
away, I feel like there's always, you know, like when he first brings it back, it's always
is just so destructive. I feel like as a team you just have to always be prepared and up-to-date
with what party vision is rocking. Sometimes you just get a lot out of it. I certainly saw that in
this game too. Yandex get swamped by party vision. At least they managed to get one game out of it,
so it's not all doom and gloom, but they would have really liked to get a 2-0 if possible.
Unfortunately, 9-Clust wasn't playing Phoenix this time,
and so, ParryVision came correct in this game number two.
They overall end up getting the win.
Quinn, it's a recovery from ParryVision.
Yay. Yahoo. Exciting.
Yeah, I mean, I think Phoenix 4 is very bad,
and I think this is an interesting example,
but it's just very rare that you see one team lose convincingly with a hero.
It looks terrible.
And the next game, the other team was like,
you know what? I want some of that. Give me that.
And they picked up Phoenix and the Stelves once again for no reason.
The theme hero combination, it looks terrible again.
I wonder if it's a trend, not an isolated incident.
Actually, kind of, because we did see Liquid was playing Phoenix Mars.
They won?
They did not win.
They did not.
They lost?
They ended up playing.
But they were winning when we were watching.
Correct.
What?
And Phoenix 4 struck.
That's crazy.
So Phoenix Mars not doing good in this first two hours.
But then Beth and Picks Phoenix.
Well, they're about to lose game 2 then, I mean.
Is it a save, Phoenix?
That's true. You did say save was the only person who you would trust on Phoenix.
I didn't mean that.
It kind of also implied that I felt Socksub might be able to pull that off.
Which, this was an experiment.
Yeah.
The experiment failed.
Aurora won with Phoenix.
That's the thing about science. Not every experiment works.
Yeah.
You gotta test the hypotheses first.
And the Socksub hypothesis,
well, you seem skeptical about me saying it failed.
So you think there's still legs this Phoenix more strategy in the right one?
No, I feel like it seems to me. I honestly I don't know well enough to know for sure
But how are you is obviously a very capable Phoenix player sure
Aurora's eight and zero sure he's trying to play Phoenix every single game sure and people are like
Let's try it must be good
And they might just be more of like a him thing than a overall like don't a thing sure
They also are able to flex it to offline because I'm looking at their game that they won today versus OG and they played
Offline Phoenix, but then the next game they drafted Phoenix again and now to support Phoenix
Yeah, so maybe having the ability to shift it around may make it stronger. I do think the Phoenix is not the only reason
That yeah, it's kind of got to waltz this game. I think it has something to do with their with their cores
specifically their carry and mid I hate this duo of heroes and the specific archetype that is and that is
is range, double range, carry and mid.
I think it's generally kind of crap
when you have double turrets.
These are not good hero damage numbers.
I think the issue with it comes that now you need
your off laner in every fight
because neither your carry nor your mid
actually help each other.
They both just kind of farm
and want other people to do stuff.
And I think generally you want at least two cores
who can sort of do stuff
and only one guy who's like full AFK mode.
Otherwise, I think you end up with weird hero parings.
Similarly, how we're talking on a draft, how if you have too many melee heroes or too many ranged you get similar problems
I think you can see here just the way that their heroes function is incredibly awkward
They're waiting for someone else to help them
But they can't help each other they're standing here, and they kind of just are sitting ducks
They just die in a way that looks very silly and awkward
I
Think this is an oversight and I think it's something that a lot of teams know
But every once in a while teams fall back in the same thing as you get baited into thinking oh, it's a good game for this here
It's a great Mortar game, but you have Razor, or sorry, Braumrazor, you have Viper.
So it's actually not a good Mortar game, even if it's good against their heroes.
So much of what makes drafting, drafting is looking at your own heroes and also theirs.
And I think oftentimes what heroes you have are more important than the ones they have.
But yours have synergy compared to countering theirs, and they counter themselves this game
because their synergy is crap.
We were even talking about it in the green room, like how does Viper's doing these like
very awkward moves, moves that aren't like enabling this game.
And it's like most of the times one of the players that obviously grasp their heroes really well
do these things that are really weird when you get when we can watch it and be like,
this shouldn't really be happening.
It's because they're put in a position that they're not comfortable in.
And I probably like, you know, looking at his draft, you know,
Jared Jr. looks at it, he's like, oh, I don't really know how we're supposed to win this game.
And tries to go for something extra, so I should do something you shouldn't be doing.
And then it just ends up looking even worse.
You know, you have to find, I guess, backup plans.
What's that sound?
Oh my goodness.
We've got an interview on my screen.
Hello, no one. You're back.
And I know you like to keep your secrets quite a bit,
and I respect that.
But I do have to ask you a question about Phoenix.
Because Nine Class is giving Phoenix.
And I don't know if you know this.
That is the first time Nine Class has ever played Phoenix
I knew it.
Okay, so why'd you give it to him?
Me?
I'm not drafted.
You know, I'm just like, I said it's kind of bad and my team is like, no, it's actually
good.
I'm like, okay.
Go pick it.
Well, it didn't work out.
Yeah.
Okay, so who would you like to play for?
Is this a new Colossus idea?
Was it a nine-classes idea?
Or did Puppy bring out the machete and tell you you're picking Phoenix?
the machete and tell you you've taken Phoenix.
No, I'm not blaming anyone. Sometimes you need to give us a try, right?
So maybe it's good, like maybe it's not. So don't blame anyone, like we tried at least,
didn't work out. I mean, if we would play better, I think first game honestly,
we just didn't wake up. We made so many crucial mistakes. We let this ox, maybe like
triple Lotus on nine minutes to storm DZ, they take my tower, kill me, I don't know,
It was like disaster after this, the play.
If this wouldn't happen, maybe it could work, maybe.
I actually am curious about your mid lane,
but I'm actually going to send you to Quinn to talk about that first.
Hello, hello, no one.
I was actually going to ask about mid lane.
I was curious how you feel about the level of mid players right now,
how you think the laning is.
Do you feel like you're the best laner?
How do you think the rest of the mids rank up?
And who would you say the two next best mids behind you are?
I wouldn't put myself as a blister, for sure.
I would say probably all the mid laners right now have the same equal laning, but if I would
put both, I would say it's Mishra of course, and TPK I would say, and then remember others.
And of course Malorraine, I don't know, like this tree is amazing.
Okay, yeah, it makes sense.
Malorraine is impossible to beat when he's playing him out of here.
I know the feel.
Yeah, he's like super annoying.
You want to beat him, but he never gave it to you.
That's tough.
It's a good power ranking.
I'm into it.
How about mid lane heroes?
You're talking about game number one.
We are kind of not too hot on Void Spirit right now.
Based on the games we're watching, we feel like the heroes struggling with itemization.
What do you think makes the hero good right now that makes it a 24th pick?
Honestly, I picked it just to buy Aghanim and Control Storm if the game would be like 50-50.
And I think the games where he will be good, the games where he doesn't need to buy Aghanim
actually.
So he'll be like full-core build, like maybe Vest was sharked into Kai, Yasha, or some
like Kaya into Shiva, Eblade, these all items, so you can just blow up a person basically.
Otherwise, this hero feels like a fucking trash.
That's what we seemed to be the issue, is that most voidswirts were struggling as they're trying to make their way to Aghanim Scepter.
But, like, all the parts of Aghanim Scepter just suck on the hero and don't help you on the way.
Tom?
Okay, that's the sentiment then. Okay, good to know.
Your next matchup is going to be up against Aurora, and Aurora has taken us by surprise.
Came in from Division 2, and it's just crushing right now.
Did you expect Aurora to do this well?
Kind of, I saw their games, they're like, I think they're on the wipe right now, honestly.
They're like, feeling the vibe, they're feeling the heroes, feeling the meta, and like, they're
on, when you're on this wipe as a team, you're basically kind of unbeatable, but this wipe
can be stopped, so maybe we'll stop it.
Alright, that's what I like to hear, that no one, looking forward to doing another interview
after you 2-0 Aurora later today, maybe.
Congratulations on this game to win and to speak to you soon
Thank you my guys bye-bye
Yeah, because there are other games going on on a secondary streams right now
So we can tune into perhaps a niche again someone who he ranks higher as a mid laner
But yeah, this is the bedroom liquid series and Phoenix is losing
I
Gamed number two the team that chooses Phoenix
Crazy, okay. I'm gonna check the stats real quick overall of Phoenix of Dream League carry on please. It's not bad
I believe it's like 16 text and it's like 60 something percent
Yes, not Aurora games
numbers big time right now. Yeah
The him ranking Nisha number one is such a classic. I feel like Nisha is your favorite mid players favorite mid player
Every mid player is like Nisha, he's so, I love Nisha, and then all the other players are like yeah Nisha's, I mean everybody likes Nisha, but I think especially mid players, he's always mid players most revered mid player, always.
You know the funny thing, I obviously love Nisha, but I generally feel like throughout all my years of playing with him, it was very few peers of time where I felt like his laning was really on point.
I mean, for sure years prior, but like through our three years since I think like I would almost say his meaning was as weak as point
I mean, he's obviously very good at Laney, but like I don't consider it to be as like strongest suit
I think it's just like very like he's very consistent and he can play all different styles like he can play drawish lanes
He could be a winning lanes
He can play we're heroes and I think that comes across the strength of mid players because he will play the lane the way it's
Supposed to be played. Yeah, where I think the weak laners are the ones who when they get a strong lane
They play it like it's a weak lane or like they play every lane the same way
I think like players like GPK or whatever that are the best
I think they're like kind of bad at playing weak lanes like they only play
Strong lanes really well like I think Nietzsche is not as good at playing strong lanes as someone like a GPK
Or you can even argue and no one like I think those players are especially good at strong lanes
But I think they're worse at weak lanes like there's like jack of all trades of lane much more well-rounded
Yeah, yeah, Maourin cannot play aggressive lanes unless it's like Hussgar fight for Razor crap. Yeah
That's interesting because I feel like niche sometimes just gets out CS like I've seen it happen, you know
He's got a very high floor. Oh, yeah
I mean like his I'm not saying his leaning is bad. His leaning is obviously amazing
First Khalifa. Yeah
It's so high up. Yeah, the thing with these are from
I'm watching him, obviously you guys have way more experience, but it does feel like
there are some days where he wakes up and chooses a violence, you know?
You really have to account for that day, because there are days where like, okay quiet game
from Nisha, okay quiet performance, then the next day he wakes up and he's like 20 and
0.
I mean, I mean, last time all of a sudden.
Yeah, I feel like where he gaps most players is like in his team fighting and his, what
do you call it, like map, like the way he pressures them up in general.
I think in these two aspects, I feel like a lot of midlaners have a lot to learn from him.
Out of curiosity, what is the difference maker for those days where he just wakes up and goes in the destruction mode?
I mean, I think a lot of times it's about being in a position in the game that he's controlled with.
And not getting grieved by his support leading up to that point.
Like, let's say somebody took a get-bounder room, that's enough.
And then this game is ruined.
His mental will collapse?
No, no, no, no. It's just like, if the support's done good in his game, until like a certain point in the game, usually he just pops off.
I think there is an element to competition like that though, where you aren't fully in control of how well you play on a day in some weird way.
Like, you are in that your practice and your preparation and all that stuff leads up to it, but sometimes you just wake up and you can just feel it in your bones, you're going to play really well.
Like, I remember games against, like when you said that sometimes he wakes up and chooses violence, the first person I think it is tops and bad, but like, there were games I played against this guy where
Like, sometimes you're playing as Topson, it's like, yeah, he's Topson, whatever, it's fine, you know, he's playing some weird hero, it's fine.
And then sometimes it's like, what is happening? Like, he has map hack, and he's Lee Sinakai, you've been his god, it's like, sometimes, and I think there's some players like that,
that sometimes they flip the switch, and when that switch is flipped, you better run for cover.
And I guess, though, the sweet spot is then finding that ability to fannel it consciously, that's what everyone aspires to.
Yeah, I mean, I feel you also want to hit that at the right times of the year.
I think that's like something that we really focused on throughout the last few years
was to not overexert yourself throughout the first half of the year.
And then because, you know, sometimes you have this like very strong feeling like I just can't
wait to go home from work and play X video games. You want that feeling with Dota because I think
when you have that feeling is when you play the best. And if you're playing pubs all the time,
at some point it reaches a point where you're just like going through the motions,
you're doing the same thing over and over again, and it's just not exciting in the same way as it is like when it's limited
So when you play less throughout the year and you try to like play a lot more close like when TI or VR comes around
Usually Dota is more exciting to you and it makes you more engaged it makes you think about the game more it makes you like more passionately
Want the practice. That's a feel special. Yeah, and I think that's usually also when you get more of the
Amazing performances where you're peeking and you hit the peak at the right time
When you can even hear no one mentioned in this interview, it's like Aurora is like feeling the game or another feeling the matter
They're feeling the heroes and I think there is some intangible quality like that
Sometimes you just really want to play or you really just get the heroes like when you click you just know your clicks are right
And it just makes sense like Dota is a very cognitive game
There's a lot of thinking and a lot of like strategy and stuff
But there's also like a very like sort of primal way the game is played like the highest level
Which is like you just you just move your mouse in just the right way
And you just know that your clicks are right then you're just going to win like there's a feeling there that is intangible
Being in the zone right athletes describe it all the time. Yeah, so it's a little state
Yeah, but my question to you guys and I guess especially you couldn't cuz you're I mean given god years is very known for this
Like how much does the meta contribute to channeling that feeling of like excitement?
Fords Dota because there are some meadows where you guys really thrived in and some meadows where it seemed like
you couldn't channel the same motivation. Maybe motivation isn't the right
point, but you know what I'm saying here. Yeah, I mean meta definitely matters a
lot and I think that's like partly why Dota is a weird game when you compare it
to like real sports and why I think like Dynasty is our harder in in games
that are constantly changing because the meta does change right and because Dota
such a difficult game like it's a conversation that's gonna have a lot in
recent years because teams have shifted in all the direction but most players
pick a category and then they just commit to the bit like Falcons is gonna
going to pick three melee stun dudes and follow up damage on their supports, whereas
Paravision is going to pick a hyper hard carry and they're going to farm and turtle.
It's a satanic.
It's like everybody plays a certain way and if that way shifts out of fashion, then like
you can't hit flow state because all your muscle memory is geared toward a specific
way.
And if that way or like Aiden said, like the game being in a state that your brain is
like accustomed to that you just fit into that groove where you just know everything
like perfectly, if that's not, if that groove isn't appearing, if you're not slotting in,
You know the vinyl record players like on the wrong spot, then you're gonna be playing a totally different song you should be I
Wonder then like there's some that you guys are describing when you find yourself in a slump for example like you're just losing and
You're winning just before like how do you go about fixing that if it's purely
Vibes-based or if it's purely like you plus that mouse moving the right way
How is that something as a team that you work on is that like a coach thing or it is all that?
Oh, we're bringing in a team psychologist. Is that part of it?
I mean, I feel like part of it is honestly, like, I don't know if it's true or not.
Obviously, as a team, you're trying to, like, you, you're like, oh, we don't know how to play Chen or Naga.
So we're gonna, I'm just gonna spam play Chen or Naga, you know, like, you'll do what you can.
But I think this some degree beat down, you also realize, like, we're probably not gonna be winning tournaments
for a little while to come, and that's just kind of the way it's gonna be. And I think you...
I think at this point at least the top six teams kind of know
Like you will know by looking at the patch notes whether it's gonna be a patch where you're gonna be a top three team
Consistently or if you're more so as sticks through second
please
Is it okay embracing that or you want to fight?
I mean you're fighting it at all times you're not embracing it
But I feel like some some part of you also is like kind of gets it
That's the most honest part of you like yes. Yeah, so one of you
Yeah, but you also kind of know it's true. Yeah, like I
Don't know if this is unfair to say but I think if Shannon and for horrendous
I'm sure a part of that you guys would have felt in gaming like
It's gonna be slightly more struggle now
Then yeah, otherwise and I know for us like when Chen was very good
We were always like, you know, this isn't gonna be our strongest meta. It's just kind of how it is
We are at minus one before the game even starts.
You have certain disadvantages and it's hard to overcome.
And you do try to overcome them, but like, especially I think for people that have been around for as long as like I have,
you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Yeah, to some degree.
On a lighter note, do you guys want the genius, the schistich, who is grieving the heroes, the runer versus who is boosting it?
No, I want Quinn to question his mortality a little bit more.
Yeah, there we go. Okay. Okay. Now I'm ready for the stat.
Okay. So we've got in the first place with five matches, Kauri or Kauri, everything.
100% win rate.
100% win rate. Easy.
And then we have, making it one game, 100% win rate, so he's lifting up the-
Genghis Khan will always good at Phoenix.
He's a good Phoenix player.
White Mon, three games, 66% win rate.
Also a good Phoenix player.
Funny thing about White Mon is, I feel like you'll always have above average
percentage win rate on every single hero.
Yeah, even if Tundra is 0 and 8, I feel like he's-
Yeah, he's somehow, exactly.
I don't know how it works.
Like someone go in the back and he's doing something funny with that
Like he's winning games of thunder losing. Yes, no hundred percent that guy wins every game even when thunder loses
It doesn't make any sense
Voodoo fuckery
He's got it don't say he's got his own white mod price for sure. He wins every game
We get his junk and to turn up price for every game no matter what
Oh tofu two Phoenix games is zero percent right? Yeah, we're seeing it. Team this team this one game 100% contributing to the team
Okay, China Phoenix is like, you cannot beat China Phoenix.
And it's the best Phoenix region.
We are hearing more fives than fours though.
Tian Ming, 50% win rate.
Tian Ming is both Phoenix.
Almeida is 0%.
I feel like it's not a Phoenix we know.
Speed, one game, 100% adding to the winner.
Wait, wait, that 100% means that he beat Falcon with Phoenix.
Oh, you're right, because that's...
Gamer Legion only has one win?
Or two.
I think they may have two.
But it may let's just there's a 50-50 chance that he beat Falcons with Phoenix. I'm going to point flips
The nine class one game that we just bought zero percent
WS one game a hundred percent and stocks no one game zero percent. The Phoenix is actually sitting at a
66% for great. Okay. This naking 100% win rate though intrigued sorry 63%
Close enough
The Falcons one intrigues me the most though because a hundred percent win rate on Phoenix
Maybe they'll bring it out against team spirit because while we're watching the secondary stream right now on amber on here
The mainstream and you guys are gonna get a chance to watch team spirit versus Falcons
We're gonna go to that after the break
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I wanted to take a look at Team Spirit. I feel like they looked like a team that's been a bit disconnected recently,
and I feel like they are kind of going through something I would like to refer to as an identity crisis.
And I think it's quite apparent when you look at their drafts.
So, I got their first draft here, or second game against Thunder yesterday.
I feel like this draft to me does not scream Team Spirit.
When I think of Team Spirit, I feel like they'd like to draft for...
At a certain point in the game, they're going to be stronger than the enemy team.
enemy team. They're gonna scale up, they're gonna hit a point in the game
where they're just stronger. Their draft comes together, the heroes have natural
synergies, and if you look at it here you can just see like these are just a
bunch of individual heroes. There's like a shadow demon that combos into what?
You're gonna disrupt them to nothing. Or you have this like weaver and razor that
are just they don't have any real synergies with each other. They don't
really play off of each other in any shape or form. They have the minus armor
which you could argue for, but it's not like the classic team spirit. You know
They have some big team fight where they can dump spells on top of each other and this is a lot more of like a
We're gonna beat you in lanes
We're gonna snowball our lead and we're gonna try to win the game that way
Compared to when they do a lot better, which is on my next slide, but I'm good at getting this to get to oh
My god, why am I so bad at this?
I believe in myself and
That is not how you do it
Okay, I'm sorry about this, so there you go, next clip obviously.
Here you go, Team Spirit, well could I get it back on the Telstra, thank you very much,
there you go I figured it out, and here you see Team Spirit with a draft where they win
and they to me look a lot more comfortable, they have a faceless void, there's Mars, Warlock,
if you think about these skills, any two heroes that press spells together, it makes sense,
I feel like I don't even have to draw arrows, you could imagine like Mars Arena with Warlock
Spels nice like pock spells with this guy hoodwink they set up or like warlock spells on void makes sense
Everything just makes sense
You know like any combination of heroes are gonna be able to kill together
They're gonna scale up to a certain point once they get enough items. It's just easy games
And I think this is what makes spirit spirit and this is the kind of style of draft that they're good at playing
And I want them to play leaning into this
I want them especially when you go up against Falcons to lean into what they're good at instead of just trying to adapt to the situation
and play whatever, you know, the meta is or the game calls for.
The idea is of an identity crisis. Thank you very much, Aiden. And believe it or not, Spirit
themselves may share that sentiment because before, earlier in the week, we got a chance to
speak to Collapse about their recent roster changes.
It's kind of a test for us because we kicked our coach and also we had a
Laro on the break. He needs a break because he didn't get a break last year when me and Yasuo were on the vacation
and for now he took it and so we're like
testing
on the panto
nice path down
Still in trouble and eventually dead now the silence out to have anything at all dead seeker
Trying to escape. He's done get some separation
Replay the edges, set it up, get it!
For me, it's a goal to get better and just show the good performance for me.
All other maybe is it's like to win, but for me especially it's just to show the great performance of our team.
I don't think we're too good right now or just in form.
I think it's just 5 or 10 and I hope we'll get better on the Dream League because it's a long tournament, don't hate us, we're gonna test some things.
Don't hate? They're just running some experiments right now. Although his terminology did strike my ear though.
Pyran, first of all, welcome to the panel. Pleasure as always.
Did you hear that the phrasing that he used was that they kicked their coach?
It wasn't like I took a leave, took a break, anything like that, they kicked him.
Yeah, it's, I mean obviously Aiden will know this better than I do, but the relationship I suppose between players and coaches, when things aren't working, maybe there's a tendency for players to say, it can't be us.
Oh, I wish we kicked our coach, like so many times. Like so many times, obviously.
Oh, which one?
William.
Right.
Yeah.
Oh, not Jerax or Jabs or KP, or who else did you have at some point?
I feel like you had a fourth one.
You've had others.
I feel like it's better.
When you weren't playing well, which was occasionally, did you ever think-
Me personally?
Never.
The team sometimes.
Obviously.
Yeah.
Did you guys ever think-
The problem is that an idiot coach we've got.
Oh yeah.
Like all the time.
Yeah.
I actually don't think we ever played bad without thinking Blitz was the problem.
That's kind of the coach's job, I suppose, much like the manager in football. You take
it on yourself. You never say, well, you don't single out players and say, yeah, my strike
is playing like trash. You say, hey, we need to do better. I need to do better and blah,
blah, blah, blah. It has to be collective. You know Jose Mourinho?
Yeah.
Football manager.
If I speak on a big trouble.
That's one of the more famous clips of his, he's got a bunch.
He never seemed to make it about individuals, he almost always made it about either him,
he made himself the story, or about the team, or the officials.
The problem is these stupid refs, the problem is this format.
You can't blame that.
You've got to take the blame and externalize it, I suppose, because if you put it on individuals,
suddenly the way of expectation is tripled.
Not only the stress of wanting to win and play, but suddenly you've also got, shit,
Everyone's looking at me because this is my fault and they know it and they said it and it's trouble
So the coach the person who's the least public-facing I think should take the blame and occasionally they get booted
Yes, I will say William Lee does a better job at taking the shit than most people very good
Like the amount of times that we've been bad and we've just made it all about him
And he's just taking it like a champ is very impressive and the biggest reason why he is such a good coach
I also just wonder if it was a phrasing issue, like, it's as easy as like a kick left, you know.
But he said Laurel took a break though.
Because Laurel is taking a break. Like Laurel is returning.
Like Laurel is returning.
Oh, okay.
So maybe it could have been that, like it's pretty hard to speculate because as anyone
who's watched Spirit over the years, like you cannot overstate the impact Silent has had
on their form and their wins.
He has been instrumental and every time Spirit was good.
Although if he's not there, then Aiden leads some credence to why their drafts look a little
wonky because that first slide that you showed, I was looking at it and I'm like, oh, where's
the utoro I will eventually 1v5 type hero?
Yeah, I mean, it's that and the collapse like Team Fight Presence or like it's just something
about it just feels off.
And I mean, he did say in the interview, they're going to test some stuff.
Please don't hate them.
explore different styles and I think that is usually a consequence of you just
not really like your style isn't working and now you're trying to find like how
can we create something. Also what I think is happening is that they're
trying to accommodate Morelle or Morelle within the draft and that's showing
through some of their wonkier picks because they know that he's a different
style of player we heard from Collaps yesterday describe him as a greedier
mid laner he's not a Laurel type that will come help you he will play for his
own net worth and I wonder for that reason we're seeing Yatoro in different styles of
carry for seeing claps on different styles of off-laner. We even saw him play Necrofos
the other day, you know? This isn't the kind of hero, he won with it by the way, but it's
not the kind of hero we're used to seeing, so with this bub, are they doing the thing
where their whole draft is accommodating him? Could that be what's happening?
Yeah, it could be, sorry, I just saw the Phoenix Mars again.
But the spirits of Phoenix seem when they always have them, but that's within the push
They always happen. Like if you talk about Mars combinations, they've always been the Mars Phoenix team, the Mars Willow team, the Mars Snap team.
Like this has always been their bread and butter. If there's one team that knows how to play around this combination, it is this one.
The only X-Sector would be if it's a five Phoenix, and it's Panto. How comfortable is Panto playing a combination like this with Collapse?
Because when we watch Panto play, it's usually been with Yutaro and not with Collapse.
What's wrong with Phoenix, I'm curious.
It's nothing wrong with the hero. It's just we've had a series of unfortunate events on the stream
Okay, where Phoenix just keeps getting picked and losing and then the other team that beat Phoenix
picks it and loses with the two. So
I myself am a spirit and joyer and I want to see them do well. So this is also very interesting
Falcons, I think notoriously not a Shadowfiend team. Like a Skeeter Shadowfiend is
That's true.
Not really like what you would associate with them, in effect, neither is Malvine.
Neither of them really are Shadowfiend players.
So it's interesting that even they are willing to first pick it.
That's like how impressed of this hero has been.
We are working on a cake here as well.
That's a record player, that's not a cake, but we are also working on a cake.
I turned up on the C-Halfway through this shift.
We do have to pick it up.
You guys have baked a cake, but yes, we must begin, because we need this series left to decorate it.
Well, we've brought you for your decorating expertise.
Then we're in big trouble.
We are attempting to draw David's face first with the jab.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, don't worry, don't worry, Mary.
Trust his chin.
That's his little chin.
Can we draw his glasses first?
We're going to do his glasses next.
Trust me, I made a career out of this crap.
We need a mirror face, Cap.
Life, happy reaction.
All of our work?
There, so easy peasy.
That's his little face.
Now, is this Izzy's?
That's Gabe already.
Now his hair comes in.
Do you know him?
Look, it doesn't look that bad.
It doesn't look that bad.
Okay.
I thought we would have like a mutual...
No!
I thought we were doing it together!
Now I get my fun.
Here's Gabe Newell.
That's his hair.
I thought I would be able to contribute at the very least.
You're gonna do the outside bit. We discussed this.
But I thought I would decide like, oh, his nose, okay.
No.
Think about it.
It's fine.
It's just happening.
It's actually looks pretty convincing.
I think you're judging too harshly.
Right now, his bid is gonna be hundreds and thousands.
Can I have this over pearls to make his spectacles, at least?
Yeah, jazz him up. Those are the spectacles.
Yeah, I'm gonna set them on.
Okay.
We also have colored sparkles.
We've got pink roses.
And little leaves.
This is a- got out of control so quickly.
I thought I could have a part of the aesthetic decision making.
This is Baird. Famously thinking purple Baird. Everybody knows that.
I've seen it every time.
This is Baird, look Meru.
This is Gabe Newell.
I'll turn it to the- I'll turn it to the- so that everybody can see it.
Here we go ladies and gentlemen.
There we go. Who's that?
This is Gabe Newell.
It's eaten the flesh.
That gave noel!
Now you can do the rest of it.
Okay.
I turn up and the problems are solved.
Oh yeah, we were discussing we're gonna give him a little rosy cheeks.
Remember?
Yeah, that part of the view.
Ted rolls in like a phoenix pick in a fucking face.
She looks more like Jenkins.
They're a hit of Andrew with the hair.
Maybe they're related.
That's Andrew wearing a COVID mask.
Just what that is.
You're gonna do the outside.
Let's give him a name.
Maybe you, Ted.
There's one thing.
You know, in a different life, pre-bold.
I did use that.
You know, Ted, you have a lawyer.
Do I have a lawyer?
Yeah.
Why, you gonna sue me?
I think you'll be hearing from Mira's lawyer.
She comes to me.
Oh, I thought you were looking for a new client after Parker fired you earlier.
He did not fire me.
He didn't?
No.
I told you, you signed off on that roster change?
I did not.
Anyway, your total TA? Cool.
Cool. I see synergies, I see team fight, I see scaling.
Do you know the Viper TA matchup?
Nothing specific.
Presumably terrible.
I mean, formerly burning through refraction.
Yeah, so TA obviously doesn't lane that well into it,
but you know what TA's best quality is?
Recovery.
Going jungle.
We actually played this matchup against the Marat Sunfly.
I think we deliberately picked TA into Viper,
Mikkelain until like level 3, and then he just went jungle,
and they were even that worth by the end of it.
Like by the end of the 10 minutes or whatever.
And that's a super power that only TA can really get away with in a Viper situation?
Yeah.
Do you think one of the ways to screw over TA would be to pick a hero that can go and contest her taking stacks?
I mean, for sure.
Generally speaking, TA kind of wins most of her lanes.
So this is already like starting on the back foot,
But when TA is really really strong,
I don't think so.
Do you think it's a spirit?
It exists.
Oh sorry, I'm confused.
I'm not off the banger from the pandas.
Is that thing that the teams may be reversed?
No, I'm just wondering in case there's a tech issue.
No, but it should be Authority A.
And with Phoenix, you actually can lane decently into Viper, because it's hard for him to stack up all the Poisons with all the, like, attack speed down time.
He can also use Meld to kind of, like, wait off Poisons, so there are some ways to, like, make it somewhat doable until you go to the jungle, but eventually you're most likely to win.
Yeah, I was thinking something like Sanking, because that could go and take those stacks and prevent TA from nicking them, and then they banned that.
But it's also just like a kind of typical Maureen hero to put mid, right?
Yeah.
They're sanking, then you also go get stacks.
I mean, so Spirit, they're logic here kind of goes.
I thought you have two slow ranged side lanes.
And usually what you want to pair it up with that is some sort of teamfight mid with a stun that runs around on great chaos.
Yeah, how dead is Pango that it's not even in the conversation?
Uh, I haven't seen anything whatsoever.
Yeah, he's on life support.
What is it about him that they've ruined so soon?
Successfully.
The double, the barriers on your shield crash, you have to hit people now.
Ember.
You used to get it for free even if you didn't hit anyone.
I see.
So this is kind of a hero that goes in.
Do you think the clockwork is maybe going to do some of the lifting in terms of getting
hold of people, looking them down, where you get these two ranged lads to come in and then
you've got Ember chipping away, you've got the bollas or whatever.
So do you think that's helping?
Walk for Sure helps enable ranged heroes to do damage.
It's just Willow in particular doesn't mind getting hook-shotted by a clock.
TA will most likely have a Hurricane Pike.
Phoenix is the one that's going to really suffer here from a clock hookshot.
Yes.
You can't dive away if you get hit by the battery, so...
Yep.
Phoenix clock is an interesting one, because you also have the counterplay of like,
you know how clockwork wants the next cogs and shoot cogs at people because that's the purpose of the arrow?
Yeah.
When you have no attack speed to hit your cogs, it's quite hard to do that.
But I feel like this is quite a weird...
Falcons don't really look like super comfort zone to me.
Like if I saw these heroes, I wouldn't think like...
Oh yeah, that's Falcons like...
Right, forgot.
It's mainly just getter shadow fiends.
I mean even Malrin Ember to me is like a little bit odd.
Yeah.
Like it's...
I'm sure you can play it, but it's just a little bit odd.
It's not the usual stuff.
It's not a strength hero, primarily.
Yeah.
Do you think that maybe they're experimenting a tiny bit against Spirit here,
or do you think that this is a genuine response to Spirit's drop?
I mean it's good like you could look at matchups and be like Ember is descending as TA, he burns refraction really easily, Viper similar story,
Sf is like the best hero of the patch it seems like, or at least this tournament so far.
So it doesn't look that weird when you like analyze it, but the player team combo feels a bit off to me.
I wouldn't say super off, like it's really just Eater mainly, but the Melreen Ember to me is also a little bit off.
And yeah starter counter picked into Ember, could be good.
So, may I see this last pick for Morel, and we've seen it a few times where he's gotten
last pick and dropped the ball.
They give him this starter counter pick to Ember, so of all the games to enable him,
this one seems a bit easier to pull off than, okay, last pick Void Spirit.
But now, what I want to see from him is him rising to the occasion, like winning the lane
and then enabling the rest of his team, because he's only had one really standout game when
he was put, and that was in an overall last pick.
Every time he's gotten over all last pick, it hasn't looked that good.
But this draft looks good for him, like he looks well-enabled with that.
I feel the same way. I feel like they have synergies, they have the minus armor combination of Sardar TA, which is obviously very nice.
He's a villain, yeah.
He's a villain, man. He's a very wealthy man. He should be happy.
Well, you can...
Okay, look, maybe he's got M&M's for teeth.
10, please! I just want it to look nice!
It does look nice!
Look, he's got M&M's for teeth.
Sure. I gave him gray hair.
This is teeth.
I gave him spectacles, lugs.
Sure.
I love doing fringes with Mary.
She's like, what are you doing?
No, it's fine. I did my best.
So did I. Unfortunately, this is my best.
We'll continue the rest next...
I mean I can show us the obstacles kind of. No, no, no!
No, no, no! No, because I was going to use another gummy for the...
Do you remember we discussed this? You were going to do the outside of the cake.
I was also going to help the pin side of the cake.
Well, it helped a great deal. Now do the outside, and I won't touch any of it.
And it'll be exactly as you wanted.
It's too late now, but I... it's fine.
It's unsalvaged.
Everything is okay.
These guys didn't help at all, so how'd I deal with them?
You know, I didn't think anybody could match the bickering of you and I, but now I actually
I kind of want to see an F.E. period, Pat.
That sounds pretty good to me.
So we'll take a murder over that stage.
That's all I know.
I mean, I will back F.E. here.
That kid does look atrocious now.
I'm sorry, Ted, but I don't know what you did to it.
But you guys are not winning today.
Well, he is British.
The British aesthetics are not.
Well, when it comes to food, you know, not their specials.
Of course, of course.
unfortunate.
Alright, we are going to have yet another 3-Rent Mars Phoenix.
It's true, in the hands of Spirit this time.
Did get some BKB beers for the SF, which I complained about earlier, with the Sardar.
So I like that.
They're going to go with this TA match that we saw earlier, very similar draft, that did
not succeed at all for parry vision, but perhaps will succeed for Spirit here as they are against
Falcons.
I feel like this is the Arrested development, you know, they're seeing what I'm talking
about.
Yeah, yeah, like, open relationship. Couple spool themselves into thinking that it's gonna work for them, and it never does.
But it just might work for us.
True. There's always money in the banana stand.
Will these Phoenix Mars work for Team Spirit?
Is there anything about this draft that makes it different from the ones we saw before?
Oh yeah.
Okay.
Oh yeah. I'm glad you asked Austin, because there's Falcons lineup?
You might be looking at this and you might be saying,
What falcons on I don't see it. Where's it? Is it hidden behind this pile of trash? No kidding. It's not trash
But for them it's way out and no means
Is this lineup? Okay, what I get that it's not totally signature
We were in the back room quince that this is the lineup falcons plays when their ego
Completely encompasses them and they think they are gods on earth and you play anything before ultimately going back to planes here
Rating for the thousand time before ti
Well, that's very rude that Quinn said that.
Yeah, he did.
You can quote me on that.
That was the exact quote.
Well, quote you that you're quoting Quinn.
I said, are you sure you want me to say that?
He said, stay for me because I will not be able to.
And I said, okay, if you insist.
I'm not making that up.
That's true.
He'd backed that.
Uh-huh.
I agree.
It's a very unconventional talk.
It's Lockwork, Shadow, Fiend, Stakeflame.
What is this?
Okay, but that's just men.
That's just men, huh?
Yeah, but they don't play.
Yeah, but they don't play Meta. They play Falcons Meta. That's my point. They're bowing to the Meta.
They're saying, okay, whoa, now you're giving me a different story. I was with you on the whole ego encompassing them blah blah blah, but now
they're playing Meta. If they're an ego, they would just play their own style.
Well, it's a both sides Austin. You see they're they're conceding they're bowing to the Meta,
but then their ego is telling them, yeah, we could play these heroes after
Playing brain dead strength triple core for six years.
Of course we can execute clockwork shadow.
More at that.
Yeah.
Pretty happy.
There's the ball ring Ember, and it's just like,
people flame his Ember, right?
OK, you don't have faith in sneaking,
being able to play clockwork?
I do.
He used to play that as an off-linker.
Yeah.
I don't have an issue with them playing the heroes
individually.
Is this a Falcons lineup?
Like, does it work for them as a team?
I'm not doubting the individual's skill.
I'm doubting, will it come together
and will they know how to function?
A lot of question marks in this game.
So far, they're dominating.
Holy crap.
Yeah, I was going to say, individually,
they seem to be doing pretty well for themselves.
And I don't think that's terribly surprising for the Amar
off-lane viper.
You were surprised by this mid-up.
I did not expect Ember to win the early waves this
considerably.
Like, he is just owning.
19 and 4 compared to 13 and 4.
Yeah, this is.
It's also the resource difference, he's just chunking.
Now, Mark, he is the Viper God, so he is giving Yatoro
more than the business right now.
He's giving him the full business card.
This is full on American Psycho,
thick stock white business card.
Nice.
It is nice right now for Omar.
And Yatoro doesn't know what game he's even in right now.
He's a Stages Mask TA running around,
begging for a last hit on this Ursa camp. Will he get it? Will he get it? He will get it.
Plus 62. That is much needed here because the lane is done for him. They can't even
walk up with either hero and they are not getting the small camp off.
I do want to point out that Amar opted for Poison Burst, which is part of the reason
why he's just harassing them so badly. He's not going to go that Thompson, Defensive,
Blah blah blah blah. No no no, this man.
He wants to... He just doesn't want to just ruin your life, he doesn't want to ruin your life, he wants to ruin your career.
That's what he's doing with the Viprens.
He's trying to make sure that when Yatoro has a son and his son goes up as Yatoro Jr.
And he plays Dota, that he also feels the pain of this game.
Papa, Papa, can I play TNT Viper?
No, it's not.
Maybe right, I think you will be able to.
I don't know.
I'm going to final hit from the dark willow.
Hit Skeeter instead.
Skeeter hits collapse.
Collapse hits Skeeter.
And nothing happened.
And nobody dies.
Alright.
Quiet early game here.
Five minutes.
No kills.
Just what?
Somebody wanted.
I mean, if it's a spirit game, an extreme game, a falcons game, it's probably gonna go about this way.
The falcons dominating the CS though.
13 and 3 for Porigatoro. They are super happy in this lane phase. This is the kind of lane phase falcons.
They don't need a lot of kills. They just want to play straight up out CSU, bring out the extra stat items, out CSU even more.
Even more, it was super early Double Wraith Band on a Mara.
That's not items to chase you down and kill you.
It's items I'm just going to stick here with.
Equal over here in front of my tower.
What are you going to do about it?
Nothing.
You can do nothing.
It's perfect Viper gameplay.
This is what Keith Allflane looks like.
Pastry from Maureen.
He is rewarded with his lane victory mid.
Game's going pretty smoothly for Falcons right now.
Thanks Violent would have looked Team Spirit pick Phoenix.
well he got kicked so we'll never know
i do kind of wonder like this
speed bump that uh... spirit is currently going through
how much of that is maposca being gone how much of that is
floral being gone how much of that is
it's a lot to change in the team
As far as God, it should not be this bad.
That's the maul ring.
Seeker weapon man.
This guy just does not lose lane and sometimes he even wins that lane.
He's not supposed to.
And then I love Quinn's breakdown of mid players and like the guys who can play weak lanes
to the utmost degree versus the guys who can play strongly to the utmost degree.
And where did he go?
Take away.
Oh my God.
He's dead.
He's going to die to the poison burst.
No, oh yeah, Toro. Oh, that is an L you're gonna feel for generations you Toro, Jr.
He's gonna be walking out to lane with that. Well that he felt that unborn
But he felt it spiritually
That's a pain. There's a painful lane down here
He's doubling his network that's seven and a half
I'm gonna be a nice catch by collapse
They need something. Yeah, they need it desperately something to change the headlines of this game
Another spear up at a second gonna need it to
One Mr. A's let's him escape there as yeah, you throw into the jungle
It's gonna be a slog for him. It's gonna be a tough game for spear just off the link
Falcons they came to play in this game one. We're all trying to get aggressive. I
I mean, he is favored in the Skrr machine against the Ember in the first one.
No, not anymore.
Well, that is unlikely.
What do you do with it?
He really, really ruins things.
He's going to be running the chain, saying he's coming in from behind the dead shot from
across the screen to push him into snaking.
Perfect.
That's just kind of unlucky for me.
That's one of the few runes that Maarin can just instantly turn and commit for the kill.
Now I'm just gonna bash the tower and if you have the supports to bring here to defend that you don't because somebody has to sit bottom
Yeah, it's Panto because your TA cannot lane here
The Phoenix is gonna be pretty big though
Fast gameplay around mid from Falcons
You get all these power runes, ballerina wins mid, they're able to transition it into a lot of map pressure
Well, at least you luck, Panto.
Trying to hold this tower because I assume that Maureen is going to come down here, push
you out, make sure the Maura can take this.
Just hope they do not find the Toro again.
Another death for him would be to the Toro, I see that.
As Chains in the calling, you're gone.
Yeah.
And Maura, he's instantly looking past this tower, trying to find the Toro on this ancient.
That was like Ember and Muir to- it's like one of those that you're talking about with
The Emperor like, Ramana type heroes.
Where to get some really good value out of the calling.
Break the Ancient Stack.
Alright, five stacks by Panto.
For what?
For a mar.
Well, it's been a disaster lane phase for Spear.
One zero lane's got zero power runes.
And you're not gonna lose two tier ones for free.
Call in for a power rune, because the only way they can really play this game is through their mid, I assume.
It is bottom lane and they will get it, it's the Slaughterer.
That's just because Falcons have completely vacated mid area in favor of taking the tier one tower bottom.
They got a group behind the Slaughterer of Mars and start finding some action either with arena,
or just running people down to like, and die for anvil.
What are you gonna go with the...are you gonna go to the Mars Lane?
You can.
You can go to the Mars Lane or you can try and kill this Viper.
This is not what you want happening.
This is the last interaction you're going to have to deal with on the entire map, is
TA running into Viper.
They will get the high ground D-Word.
Off that kill.
But man does this TA have nothing.
Oh lord, you got messed up.
You think Yotaro gets toxic in games? That's as bad as this.
Oh god, off the egg!
Unfortunately that just puts the egg on cooldown.
Now, a little bit of damage being done, the Viper is going to be stuck here, they have the arena,
and they have a slaughter inside of that arena, chain setting up the Viper to get that kill.
Maureen is going to try and get what he can before he has to jump away to his remnants and leave Crit behind another death here for Falcons.
Hookshot! Oh ho ho! Sneaking with it. Not that it would have been good for you.
Getting the kill on Rue, who's level 5, and giving up your own life for that at level 6 is probably not worth it.
I mean, where was Sneaking, you know, that entire sequence?
That's like the best sequence for a clock to join in these early skirmishes where it's just kind of chaotic.
He's the only guy not there. A little awkward for him, but...
Spirit they get some kills they get the TA involved that's super big for your Toro
I mean there's a pretty forced dive from Falcons. They just
Know how strong they are they could have backed up here, right?
I think that's a
I think he's farming mid right now
That's classic snaking. He's playing Shen
Like he had his level six from the start of this play
He's farming a whole wave and a half to be fair though. I think this is an over force play like I think
Maybe you can lose Viper here to get everybody down here and you get egg and everything and just get out.
As well as plays that you're thinking like, am I really supposed to be in this?
Is this the play we're choosing to make when we have the whole map to farm and we're dominating everywhere?
Yeah, but you don't get the chance to dumpster your Toro like this if you want.
It does send a message.
It's getting to farm some ancients now though, so his road to recovery begins.
TA, plastic, definitely become the highest-neighbored hero in this game.
Yeah, and right now, he's at 4k, and the Falcons scores are at 6k.
So long as you're stuck at this point too, like, okay, dominated lanes, you took the tier 1s.
Now where do you go from here, if you're Falcons?
How do you maintain that pressure around the map?
Yeah, it's like too deep in the map to keep killing heroes
because they're underneath tier 2s.
It's too early to take objectives.
Yeah, you can't rush or anything.
You can stack yourself and just kind of play that game
and just get really fat.
Which you can't eat in typical filings.
You can play through Ember.
Keep skirmishing with him and the supports behind him.
Definitely have the ability to look for kills,
but here's a free SF kill, just chilling on the lane against Arena.
It'll be a 2 for 1.
Look at that.
Very nice.
This is the spell power of Spirit.
Like they not owned on the lanes, but
again, I feel this Falcons lineup is
is not their style, and I think they
are gonna struggle to find play opportunities because
they mostly
wanna dominate lanes into farming you out on the map.
I almost think it's a reason the Ember doesn't
work for them in some ways
compared to a lot of other teams.
I don't think it's like a Maureen Ember skill issue,
though I think a lot of people probably say that.
that I think it's more it's just not how they want to build a lead like can you
elaborate on that like they want to be able to put isolated cores and large
chunks of the map that can control it on their own okay and Edward I mean ever
kind of does that but I feel like the optimal ember gameplay is the supports
are running with him and he's he's just pushing people out of everywhere and
killing people there's always like a little slide chains commas going off
You're getting bonus kills and stuff like that.
Wait, what's the difference between Ember and Primal Beast when it comes to rotating around the map?
I feel like they're kind of similar in that regard.
I think Primal can get a bit more done on his own.
Okay.
You know, if you have a snaking chin farming jungle, Primal can still go look for plays with the power.
Sure, I can kind of see what you mean, but when Ember you want the supports to come to Ember,
whereas Primal goes to the side lanes where the supports already are.
Like, Ember doesn't really accomplish anything on his own.
He can run into people and not die, and he can scout and kind of like steal a camp or something.
But Ember cannot just like go find T.A. in the jungle and solo kill.
I mean, if you're so far ahead, you can do that.
Yeah, sure, you do that with like any kill, but I feel like this hero is a support enabler.
That's his true strength.
Yeah, well, we talked about the slight change into whatever support abilities behind it.
Yeah, but to me, that is the real power of every trigger.
can bring supports into the game. Supports have a guy they can go to and make their game
good, but Falcons almost never need that because their supports just enable themselves.
Like, they're just gonna stack and get a bunch of gold in the xpl stack or they're gonna
get a lane because Maureen leaves it or they're just gonna jungle because they can usually
play as a jungler. So like, why do I need to go to my mid to be enabled when I can just
do it myself? Did he just lose that value? But he will rush Yvus here, which might make
him tanking up to force some of these heroes away from Mary's. That is a spear on the Viper.
Maureen really not being subtle. They saw the ward being placed down and Maureen wanted them to
know, hey I know you guys are here. Chasing them off the power room intent is taking try to get
away from the Slaughterer who's now going to be Viper struck and killed.
That's an awkward place to fight them, but they get the job done trying to slaughter a kill.
Every time slaughter dies, the Ember has free rank.
First item she uses will help Maureen punch through this matchup.
So I kind of like that idea.
It's slow on the build up, but he's having such a good game, he'll get there pretty fast.
It's all just space free ator to try and recover.
Pantel's gotta just keep pushing waves this game. Create some space for this GA.
Well, it's a good thing he did not go the sunspot or whatever, but the dying line facet, which
kind of works if you're playing this kind of farmy...
Yeah, good else.
It's good he anticipated the triple lane loss, I guess so.
read on the high ground word and that will get him to his shard and level 10
he's pretty high level oh yeah he's solid game all things considered yeah if
you can actually get to once again it's it's actually the criticism that has
been drawn to him which it seems to be he's playing his own game on this this
situation it's a benefit
And if you did get to level 12 and have level 2 egg, that is a bit of a game changer when
you come to these team fights.
Wouldn't mind to be a game you're looking for, yes sir.
Snake King's gonna scout it out, though.
Very good, Reap.
An early BKB for Amar.
I'm surprised he wasn't greedy or about it.
Didn't go Manta first.
What is it? Why did you do this?
Once you get able to BKB hit the egg and ignore a lot of the skull, I mean it's a great BKB game.
Yeah, but I agree, I'm surprised you went second on a BKB.
This guy's the master of green, you know?
Still hunting, or at least RU is.
If you have any better behind him here, the area is going to get cleared out, Collapse.
You'll be caught.
Damn, Mar-tippin' collapsed, what was that for?
That's just BM right there.
Got him.
What is this voice?
Blu-ha-ha-ha.
That's what you know about a lot of my games.
Well that's one of those, the voice actor and the director just having fun in the booth,
you know.
Silence after silence pushing the cogs
Maps starting to shrink a little bit here
And some more off items come online for Falcons are able to create these two three-man hit squads
Pick a people off
Shrinking the lanes TA is still trying to recover here
I think if the Viper's in your tower you kind of to go on him, but he already has a early key
So you just can't do anything
I mean, in theory, you can still run him down with Slaughter.
That is fine.
It's gonna be rough to sound advisable.
Yeah, it sounds real rough.
And ideally, you want a Roshan's game of your spirit.
That's where your line of...
really shines.
You have Mars Dark Little Phoenix around Roshpit with a Slaughter TA.
That should be...
the point in this game that you dominate.
You do it ultra fast, you force dockets to fight you, dockets have very little AoE in it's game.
It is worth noting, like they can get it far head off of lanes and some of these single target pickoffs,
but when it comes to 5v5, the Tech Creek don't have an Aura Buyer, they technically have zero AoE control spells.
They can get punished in that, which is why DKBs for them are super important,
to let them kind of just run in and make it an isolated hero on hero battle.
Well, Team Spirit are far enough behind, I'm not expecting them to get first Roshan.
What are you saying, like, second Roshan is the one that Team Spirit must get?
Or do you think they need first Roshan?
I think they kinda need first in this game.
Well, let's see how they set that up.
Radiant?
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He's like, eventually. They may not have the best Roche taking team, but eventually, skater's gonna be able to do it.
There I-
And here we'll grab around behind Ru, he's gonna find his smoke breaks, and he will be caught here if the cogs...
Should stop him from doing too much!
Well, that'll be Roche for Falkens.
They have BKB on Shadowfiend.
Just too rich here out of lane, at least the BKB's already done so you missed your window.
Spicy.
And find that pickoff or two plate into that objective.
How much of a percentage of loss is it first spirits in losing first roaches?
First roaches, it's not really about the first roaches, it's just the way this game should be going.
Aegis doesn't change a lot for Falcons in this situation, but I think Spirit not being strong enough to contest that and take that fight, they lose a lot of opportunity with their line of view.
I kind of disagree with you on Aegis doesn't do much for Falcons.
I think it enables the SF to take all the tier twos.
Aye, he's gonna do that anyway.
I mean, the team fight of Spirit should give you like a little bit of a...
...a pushback.
But now, if you have an extra life, all that team fight is kinda wasted.
I think he's already strong enough with BKV, but it does definitely push him over the point.
Now he's a complete god.
Panto gets the deny, good job, Panto.
After a second there, I thought he just whiffed it.
He gives him the tip, see?
You gotta fight fire with fire.
I can't even believe they're thinking about this.
Could spear them into the tower or something.
Yeah, spear into terrorize.
They need Slardar or BKB to really force that kind of fight though, so you can just stick
on top of the Esa.
Ooh, the King finding a little hookshot action.
It's interesting how he managed to do that.
Seems like it was because he was flying, he had free pathing and vision.
From his shark.
A real Clockwork player with a hit of blind.
A real clockwork player would have been blocked by the Neutrals because he wouldn't have had the positioning without Chipmunk.
I would have gotten that hook shot a hundred times, huh?
BOOHOOOO!
No reaction.
Maureen's locked in.
Yeah, probably because everybody on his panel is just shit talks his ember all day.
So I'll show them.
Well, Deso, Nanta, Dragon Lance, he's back, and he has closed that gap with DSF.
He's leaving the rest of his course in the dust, but Falcon's gonna force it up the
high ground in the triangle. Normally very difficult but they do have that Shiva's
ember on the front line. Yeah exactly. He can go up there, get vision, jump back to
his remnant if it's not safe. He manages to get the spear on the SF here. And remember
he's the one with the Aegis. He still gets off the requiem. It's gonna cost him
Mars his life. There goes that Aegis. They caught Yatoro inside of the chains and
he's not going anywhere man. Surrounded by too many slows. It's kind of what you
expected out of this fight for spirit. Surprise Panto did not A did any point
before that just super disconnected multiple points of entry for falcons not a cohesive
team fight for spirit they still don't have pkb on slaughter you know i never get at this game
a classic amar viper performance from lane domination to obnoxious in the match
You're not just in the fight
And surprise right here if you hit the spear egg
Might of course the rest of Falcons back you get that a just you're able to retreat off of it
Instead your torches gets run over by the billion slows and stuns
Hard to take a long fight, but they just like that the prolongs it
Some pointy a gets gone on unless you're gonna remove this viper from the fight
your courses can't sit there ATF he's public enemy number one but I think
you basically have to change them off of Mars initiation that is not easy at the
moment
that was wild
does not save him
This is going about how most of the Spirit games are going this event.
Well, they are 5 and 3.
The games that we saw, they're all like this.
They're all the ones we watched, they were very disconnected.
The ones we didn't watch, they were only.
Maybe we're the problem.
Wait, you're talking about Spirit or Falcons?
Spirit.
But they're not there too long.
Yes, spirits. They went one-on-one with not the hand pass.
Falcons, meanwhile, they received the dubs off of this stream, or the hells off of this stream.
They went one-on-one with Gamrelich and Zero-Two with house.
Give me back! Give me back!
Daira's bottom tower is under attack.
Boots of bearing? Where the...
Hmm.
Kinda like that.
Seems good with this lineup.
Good spear and already done Solarcrest on the clock, or just buff up these right clickers.
Their eye nasty stuff right now would be a massive kill if you could change something.
They got him!
Got him with a spear initiation from Collapse!
Beautiful!
That's all it takes right there.
Skeeter was so confident, he's like, I got Manta, I got PKB, they try and jump me no problem,
collapse point blank spear very very fast very good angle from him not the
angle you're likely looking at there you're you're probably looking down
and I have BKB on Slaughterer that's a deso charges cooking level 2 egg online
yeah with the looking as bad as it was a couple minutes ago that BKB enables the
Slaughterer a lot the more Slaughterers enabled the more the Phoenix egg is also
enabled. It also helps Yatoro dish out more damage the more he's able to stay in there,
get attention on himself, get more of these pros to pays his out.
It does feel like a lineup for at least for the mid game that they really don't need to have their
other course super farmed. No. As long as they're enabling Yatoro to push out damage.
Unfortunately, Yatoro, he's not enabled as much as he is just being crucified by Falcons.
This Viper has continued to be a menace, but I'm trying to run down the Muerta, but he
won't be able to get the Shadow Realm head, so he'll die into the Viper without getting
the kill on Crit.
Now, start on Maureen, playing around the egg.
Not a problem for him with the Shield Rune.
Nice!
Swing there with Hookshot.
Catch the Panto, and they'll get a third kill off of this, and Falcons can get the
hit high ground if they want without an aegis.
ATF just keeps connecting onto this TA and he's random jungler. It's just a death sentence for
Spirit. The second the Viper is building stacks on TA that fights over, he has no BKB to disengage.
Only that hurricane pike doesn't get him out of the range.
He's all of your damage in this line. Nobody else uses the amp, nobody else can deal damage
into a spear target. The TA has to be alive and the Viper has been on the TA since minute
zero. Falcons really forced this match up and they have a Viper Grandmaster who understands
it so not that it's a difficult one to understand but they played the lane quite well. That
was what's important in this game. It really maximized the differential on the lane.
While they take mid, they cut the two other waves, bottom and top.
And now they back away, farming jungle as they go.
Classic Falcons, they understand this game is effectively one for them, as long as they
don't throw it.
You get another Roshan here, you go high ground, the game is over.
So Spirit want to make something happen before that sequence.
in a minute here. You either got to sneak it, take that fight, find some pickoffs into the
rose spawn. One of those things has to happen here in the next minute.
You're gonna go for tormentor, launch and do that. Meanwhile, Avery, there was a funny
little interaction during the draft. We had an accidental pause from staking. Wasn't
beneficial to them. They'd already picked their final hero. I thought it was funny because
Collapse responded in all chat
He said what was it said?
Scrim scrim reaction or something like that
The idea be like so I believe scrim reflex
That's what it was and the idea being that when it comes to scrims a lot of teams
We'll actually take the time to pause during the draft in order to figure out what their picks are
Yes, bullshit
And obviously it sounds like Falcons may have employed
that a few times against uh i hated that trip against spirit okay i understand you you you
hated and everything but slight change on to viper strike see how many heroes take you get out of
this well get one can they also get this barge oh marine that was smooth he dodges the spear by
throwing out another red net right before he's about to land it jumps to that final one getting
pass the spear and get him to kill on collapse should be close for falcons here anyway so
unsurprising you hate that you don't think there's any validity to making sure that the
scrim is worthwhile playing there is a little bit in your draft it always use it into an unrealistic
situation as well like you don't have 10 minutes to sit there and think of the perfect pick also
That meta of pausing for last pick and scrim started by Chinese teams.
Yes, I don't know where.
And the Chinese teams, the way they would use it, they would literally sit there for 30 minutes.
I remember scrims, we would put the clock on, you start the timer, and it would be 20 minutes plus,
approaching 30 minutes of sitting there thinking of a last pick.
Brother, if it takes you 30 minutes to think of the last pick, like you're not winning this
Sometimes, the draft is longer than the game. That is unacceptable.
I don't want to spend here for 30 minutes while you go through every single hero in the entire history as though to figure out the optimal pick.
What are we gaining from this at a certain point? At a certain point, it's just ridiculous. That's why I hate it.
But at the time, the Chinese teams were some of the best, so you kind of have to put up with it.
Not because of that.
Well, I'm not saying because of that.
I'm saying you did not write them off as scrimmages.
them off as scrim partners because of that because they were too good you
needed them as a scrim part there was a point where I started refusing that's
funny I there was a point where I would like I had a copy paste message where
you join scrim and then I would paste it and be like if you have to pause for
longer than a minute or take a strategic draft pause I will ban like we will
abandon the lobby because damn I don't know because you have a scrim schedule you
have a scrim schedule I get it I get it like every scrim you're an hour late
because you're waiting for 30 minutes and these friends are people to get their last year
but what what are i have shit to do man
i respect the fact you had that message for them people get really mad at that though it did not
like that yeah you didn't you didn't make any friends with that one no well you gained my
respect so maybe it was worth it spear back on the viper they do have to take away the ages
This Viper's not fast, but without the Viper, the Atorro can play some Dota.
He can go after Cedar here, BKB. Cedar's gonna have to throw out the Reckwim.
Push back these heroes.
Look, shot long range. They actually want to re-engage here on the Atorro.
Do you think they're killing Atorro without the Viper?
And maybe they can, but it's gonna cost them heavily.
They've already lost Cedar. A lot of their damage goes out the window without him.
You have to square it out with their ultimate trying to threaten the Slaughter.
He's just gonna run away.
Maureen, all up to you now.
There's one more remnant.
He finds Dodge, Necruz, Groud, and the Bramples, does so pretty well.
Kind of chase him down here.
Maybe, yeah maybe he's just too far away, even for the squad or chase.
Great team fight for Spirit though.
Yeah, very well played.
Also a real buyback, but they stopped that Aegis push.
That was the SF butterfly timing, and most importantly, they got a jump on the Viper
without a margin.
BKB off, we'll get Keshis, I'm in the end.
This will be fantastic, he's gonna get spear back
into the tree, that shield rune,
we'll be out of buying him so much time.
He dies, wicked six streak, what a swing of gold.
I mean, he cost him the buyback of Rue,
but other than that, mega worth.
Mega worth, thick connection from him.
Had himself a great team fight,
and an extra catch on top of it.
That's a big blunder from Falcons.
No BKB off on the Viper,
will receive the tip from collapse who pays it back. That's right, that's who's holding
on to that one for a while. It's just too good, man. Again, point blanks, beer, very little
time to react. Just 100 is zero. Hey, he's not gonna be happy about that tip. Not gonna
be happy at all. Probably a lot of people watching that are happy. I think my understanding
up a Mars here as he's actually happy. Kind of an interesting re-initiation though because
like your SFP kid, he's right now, you already lost the ages earlier, you don't have your
strongest hero. Yeah. I'm not sure. Maybe they're just-
Like you don't want to take the SF versus TA action. I think that reaction was when
snaking hook shot in. Oh, we're going in. I didn't know all these five positions could
to do that. Where's my ores? He's taking heal me.
Our king room. I'll hold that one for Maureen.
That's a perfect scenario for our spirit though.
If you can't all in that Viper, your TA can't enter the fight, and then all this looks so much different, so you're not going to get that opportunity a lot unless you're holding high ground or Falcons force high ground into you.
Which will be interesting to see if they try and re-force it here without an Aegis. Like normally this is not a Falcons maneuver, they rather just bomb the map.
They kind of want to just go with the SF being so strong, he already has Titanic and Butterfly.
I almost hope for our sake that Falcons succeeds in this, because if they fail at this, you'll know what's gonna happen.
They'll never do it again. They'll never do it again.
AY's taking off the belt right now.
Hehehehe.
Skeeter tries to beat his illusions. Doesn't work.
The illusions in the banner and the siege wagons, they're doing some work.
And Skeeter does have an extra life kind of a safe hit, it got off the BKB before the spear this time around
Collapsed sitting on the wall keeping up, and the hookshot will stop him
Solid hookshot, he was out of there if that doesn't land
Really fast reaction from Skeeter, I mean it's all up to reaction types now
Collapsed, the onus is on him to get as close as possible with that spear, Ake is gonna have to go off here
Try to stop the retreat, but...
I'm just sitting here with my finger on B-Gaming. I don't have to think about anything else, and Skiir gets it all that time.
So, correct call to push there without any just successful racks.
One lane left.
Falcons eyeing it up.
Set the Ember back to get the lane in and they're just going to force it for the Roche.
Really?
I mean it's long enough to Roche on that they can, if they die, they won't lose Roche.
But again, it is not typical of Falcons.
No Mars for 20.
It does have 5, but you want to use it here with such a low timer left.
It's gonna be awkward.
Two main crush.
A Mars not using the Viper Strike on the Florida.
I think showcasing any ones to hold it for your Toro if at all possible.
There's the Mars response, so they're just gonna back off.
I got a lot off that.
Restabilize this game.
The aim damage is still sitting in the top rune, so as they back up, we'll discover that.
Pass that bottle over.
Nice little juicy rune here.
How much rune do you think tastes the best?
Found him right there.
Got the spear? Did not get the connection. He didn't throw out the arena.
Now used to the arena defensively. Hookshot onto Yatoro. Yatoro in some trouble. Refraction?
Okay, man to dodge and then the refraction will keep him alive.
They did kill the Phoenix, had to buy back off of that one. He still got the egg, but they don't have the arena protected so much.
much. Spear back onto the Viper. They can kill the Viper. Again, that breeze up
Gatoro's game. It goes out to protect the Barrick. Speeder backs away with his
ant damage. Still willing to take the fight. He became an Injurator! He got caught by
Snakeheed's Cogs! Oh, that was beautiful! He still gets a four-staff away, but he's
no longer in that position to take the fight. They've lost their Slaughter on
another Bi-Bag that is gonna have to be burned by Team Spearing. They gotta make
something happening here you're just gonna get megas
especially with fight for death this is supposed to be your opening
oh my god what's out of that sport the wicked
ow it's ridiculous you're right we have long range now the hookshot yatoro we will die
my man comes out from the slaughtered and he'll try and go to work here but he simply just doesn't have the damage
that yatoro has
So he really can't threaten any heroes as seen from Mal'Reen diving in fearlessly without
a remnant.
Get him still killed!
A little silly, but it comes back off of the buyback to his remnant.
Too much to get worth the binge.
Overwhelming amount of lives here.
Just throw lives at the throne.
Another arena backup.
What's the T8 damage on what you're gonna find here?
We're down here dropping items.
The tip is returned with Smiley Faker.
Ah yes, Samara.
What's the beef being created in this game?
He wants to make sure he's gonna have the last laugh.
He always usually gets it.
Usually gets it, at least from last year or so.
You win TI, you can throw out a few of your spilies and what are they gonna do about it, you know?
I guess one too though, so I don't know if this is the guy to be shit talking, they might, might wake him up for next game.
If there's something that's gonna wake Spear up in this group stage, that might be it.
I don't think they're gonna take it too lightly.
Unless they collapse, needs to be woken up so much. He performs pretty well in this game.
I mean, he gets openings.
Sick.
Blink Spear is in a situation where I think it was all up to him.
The only opportunity to win a fight was on his initiation.
I would really like to see Spear prioritize mid a bit more.
bit more. I feel like they just put Morell in an island too often. Maybe it's a product of the
sidelines not going as well as they need them to in a lot of games and that just collapses the map
too fast and you're not able to put the resources in the mid. But I would really like to see them
like give Morell a very good game. They gave him last pick, they gave him the match, but he got
owned in the matchup, so that does not help. Like that's just a big help to start with. But I still
think their supports are great at playing through Slardar here and you can kind of run around and
You know like you get in one power rune if you maybe take this as the top or find ember in a jungle area like
There's gotta be some place you can make because the s the ta lane was just dead from minute two
So what you have to do something with supports on top. I thought it was just a little too 8k for me
But a lot to work on for teams spirit off of this rough loss the Falcons in game one
There's only so much testing you can do though before you start gotta look a take a hard long look at your results and say
Okay, well, we've changed such and such a variable, you know, there's independent variables and there's dependent variables
At least one variable that I've always trusted T-Sphere with is Teamfight's superiority
Unfortunately, it came in the form of Phoenix and Mars, which is not that good right now
And then the last part that I would generally trust is if I can get a 24th pick, counter pick mid
That should also be a good variable that I can go on
Unfortunately, none of these added up to a win in Sania that got another L.
I mean, I think this time their draft at least looks like it comes together somewhat decently,
but I guess to be honest, Spirit has never really been a 24 pick, like last pick of the draft mid-hero picker.
Laurel has generally been the early pick and then the atoral or collapse hit to be put in that like, premium spot in the draft.
So even though that I like the like the idea here a lot more and it just maybe isn't the right thing for them
But like love said in the interview if this is the tournament they decided, you know, we're gonna try to expand on ourselves
We're gonna try to experiment a bit. We're gonna try to see how can we become better long term because you're gonna have to make
Some sacrifices some events are just where you're gonna have to test stuff out
Yeah, this might be the one for them and it just isn't clicking yet
I'm gonna call a cap on like spirit not being a Phoenix Mars team like
I agree with everything that you said. I just mean this idea that maybe Phoenix and Mars was the issue.
I actually think they pulled it off a lot better than we've seen today.
The issues came from overall play and then maybe Morel feeling very uncomfortable with that last pick slaughter.
He just didn't have the impact that we wanted to see out of him.
And it's hard to blame him for that, right? Like getting put in this position where you have to stand in
and it's just a different tier of dota that you're used to and you have all of this pressure on you, it can't be easy.
I mean, I also think like Yatoro's game was non-existent, right?
I talked about how the TA can go jungle, but it feels like Falcons have leveled up their
Viper gameplay, so they now also know how to prevent that part of the game, because it
used to be something we did in Liquid.
Have they leveled it up by skilling the Q?
That also.
If you don't lose to Beastmaster then.
Exactly.
This was the question that people were talking about from the series before I got here.
I was very upset about this.
The Viper skill build?
Yeah, in the previous series, but uh, yeah, no, I mean, they chased down the TA in the jungle.
I think that was like the main thing.
They did a good job of continuously shutting him down, not just kicking him out of the lane,
but then also continuing to make sure that Yatoro can't play the game.
So how do you open your mouth as if I thought you were...
I was gonna say something, but I'm just looking at these flowers go down on Gabe Duel,
and I think it's elevated it beyond what I thought possible.
You thought we'd already peaked with the hair?
I thought we peaked with the hair.
So this is Gabe living his best life. Look at that cheesy grin. I don't think you can elevate Gabe Newell
That's true
Maybe you can have another submarine never just putting it out there
What do you make these edible roses out of sugar?
Yeah, it's like so what is marzipan almond paste almond paste. Yeah
Hmm
You had some leaves. Oh, yeah, I love
I feel like hogging
Mess it up. All right, this better be done. Otherwise he doesn't have any eyebrows
At least do one thing the way they wanted it to be done because
I have a suggestion here, how about you do it and I will watch?
No you do it.
That doesn't make for good content.
No, everyone has to have a good content.
But me watching is good content.
No, it's fine.
I was thinking we could pull the leaves off the top of this strawberries.
But whatever you want.
I'm fine.
But what do you have to say in the design of the leaves?
There's an eyebrow right there.
And my, and...
Oh my God!
See?
Oh my God!
She can't believe how good that is.
It's so great.
Get his eyebrows.
You're reducing the addability of our cake.
You're going to eat this?
Yes
However you want I'm not gonna say anything
I'm gonna embrace whatever you guys do everybody must be in it's is bad
That it hasn't worked it. Well, all right, so like mirror said it's not it's not that this combo is bad
It's being executed poorly players that are bad, but we're not seeing anyone play it well
So what is the why isn't it working if it should be? It's the pro players fault. There you go
There you go. I didn't say that, I think Spain said that.
No, you understand.
There's noobs.
Speaking power to truth finally.
Truth to power.
Yeah.
Otherwise, that's the opposite. That's the bad thing.
Giving power to truth.
No, you can't mess it up if that's how you want it to be.
I'm going to take this cake for the beautiful amalgamation of our personalities that it is.
There's beauty in the flaws.
Which bit sounds up to you?
Uh, I'd say the... the spectacle.
The sparkly glasses.
No, just trying to like make something shitty fine.
That's me.
Like, what do I do? How do I make this better?
But then it's, yeah.
I try to make like a Caesar thing.
A laurel crown.
What is it called? A laurel?
A laurel.
Like Laurel.
No, like, no, sadly not.
It's a mirror-lay, actually.
LAEREL.
Isn't that a, is that called a mirror?
Because I look like eyebrows, though.
No, do they look like her at all?
Maybe we should- No, they're not.
Also isn't Gaben's hair more white?
You're right, get some touching out on that please.
I put the gray hairs in there, I did.
I feel like- Oh god, no, no, please, because then it doesn't look like hair at all.
If you just cover it completely.
Are you saying Gaben's hair doesn't look like hair?
No, but now you can't even see that it's hair anymore.
That is the one voting in there.
Okay.
Anyway, on the topic of the game-
a guy that didn't want to play position 4 that had to play position 4 in our cake making
process I feel like.
I always want to play position 4.
Yeah but you know like in high level pubs, sometimes there's like a carry player that
doesn't get to play carry and it's very sad and then they have to go play support and
obviously they're not going to play 5, that's below them, so they go play 4 and then they'll
pick like Shadowfiend or Epic Role and they're playing 4.
But they just farm the whole game.
They just don't last it for 10 minutes and then they're a carry player again.
10 minutes of no CS.
I think that's excellent.
Yeah, I think so too.
Would you put your name to this?
It depends what name.
You could put a fake name on this.
Would you like Arthur Smithy this cake?
Yeah, would you want this like on your liquopedia page?
Sure.
Somebody put it on there.
Just on the topic of the game real quick,
do you know when you were talking about
combinations within
the draft for Spirit, it seemed like it only existed with the Mars, like it should have
existed with the Slaughter, but it didn't feel like they were making any plays on the
back of the Slaughter. Like there was one key fiber, okay, Slaughter is getting cut out,
then TA is jumped, and TA can't do anything, and when you run a Slaughter draft, like the
crux of the idea is that you're going in with the Slaughter. You're alive, you're amplifying
damage, you're the one taking the fight, and then your TA can hit targets. But it felt
like in this game that was never the case, and that's because of how well Falken's played.
Like, they themselves had the combinations. I felt like every time I was looking at the game,
like, they were just running at a hero, their cooldowns were low, and they were always positioned
in a way where at least one hero was backing up the Viper, for example, and they could kill whoever
shut up. Yeah. I mean, the Falcons, to be honest, played a very solid game. I feel like at some
points of the game, it almost was like, they're playing 4v5, because they managed to do so much
without Skeeter being involved. Like, it was just like, supports our position where they need to be.
There even I think there was a gank on the mid lane where they connect mid and the way like Ember chains into like
Mark the dead shot back into the clock running in perfectly timed with the cogs
Just how everything comes together in these moments just goes to show like how clean of a team talk ensues and
How well like they execute so well together, which is what I'm missing from spirit and I feel like I
Remember those some interview we did last year where we asked collapse about a specific move that happened on his lane
And he mentioned Laurel was the one that probably called for it
Yeah, and how there it might be a thing where like their early game comms are damaged quite a lot from missing Laurel
Is that and miboshka like the combination of the two people that I think probably had a lot to say in the early game
And now they're like feeling the repercussions of it
Because I think especially when you're new and you're young you usually don't talk that much
You just want to like lost in a player game and make sure you're playing rospery blueberry rospery blueberry
Do you think we should just use the strawberries instead?
Maybe if you're older.
They're quite big though.
You have strong visions of how a cake is supposed to look.
Big though.
I've given up on those visions a long time ago, Neil.
Well, you gotta get back into it.
As much as our team spirit gotta get back into this series, stick around everyone and
we'll be back with game number two after the break.
That bloody time!
It's time to relax tonight I wanna be where the party comes from
I'm gonna break your time to know you well No need to ask, the night is the hour
I'm still afraid, time to leave your stress behind
I'd like to welcome all your things
I want to see you do it tomorrow
Ain't no words that can describe
The feeling that comes over me
As I'm on this time to dance
All your energies are left
So baby, tonight, won't you get
Into the groove
It's a perfect calendar night
Don't make the dreams so true
So come with me
You wanna let those kids behind
Let this party go
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight away girl
Tonight we fall in love, tonight tonight is all
I'm so into you girl, you feel the grime, I'm so into you girl, I'm so into you girl,
If you feel the groove, stop the music
This night, this night, this night of okay girls
This night we fall up, tonight's night is over
It's, it's, it's night, it's night, who ain't got
It's night before love, it's night after love
It's, it's, it's night, don't ever stop, love
It's night before love, don't ever stop, love
Let's give it one more chance Don't wanna get in this town
Let's give it one more try Don't wanna say goodbye
Once we were both so happy just hanging out there was no doubt
Why did we take for granted?
All that was good, I wish we could find what we had and bring it back
I'll try, yeah, yeah, yeah
Don't wanna die, don't wanna die
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
I know we broke that moment
We're both the same
No more to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree
It's not over yet
Let's not forget the most thousand times
I've gone good so good
I don't wanna do this to you
So I wanna try this time
One more try
I wanna take that part of the road
A love like we once had just
Can't be denied
If we go behind this way then
Come on!
Let's do it!
I'm not gonna watch it
I'm not gonna get upset
I don't wanna stay no longer
I don't wanna do it
Let's get it one more time
I don't wanna give this shit
I don't wanna be a star
Let's get it one more time
I don't wanna say goodbye
Liquid!
Liquid, liquid!
Welcome back everyone, it's time for game number two of Team Spirit vs Falcons where you just
witnessed a masterpiece be completed.
Ted, you mind explaining our magnum opus of a cake that we've created?
Oh, absolutely, Neil.
This began as a project that we'd all wanted to work on
for many years.
Finally, we were able to make it a reality.
It is, of course, Gail Newell in cake form.
Everyone can see that.
We're all universally delighted with the outcome.
Yes, here is the cake.
As you can see, these are his little eyes,
and he's wearing sparkly glasses.
This is his little nose, his nostrils,
and there's his toothy mouth.
He has a beard adorned with sparkles because he's wealthy and his hair is the light brass and then around the outside flowers
Magnificent. You think it's worthy of the Paul Hollywood handshake. Oh
God no, I think they threw you off the show. Oh, they're yeah, they might even cut that episode
You say this is not showstopper worthy. No, I mean, it's it's a showstopper of a kind
That's true much the same way that say someone badly burning themselves on the other
Can you pass me a tissue, Neil?
Yeah, I can pass you a tissue.
That would be great for me.
So wipe your eyes from the atrocity that we have created?
No, the beauty of our masterpiece.
Oh, okay, that's a good answer.
It's a beauty, but first I couldn't see, but now that it's complete...
Exactly.
I think that there is...
Some things are so ugly that they become beautiful.
That's what we're hoping for.
And that's really a lot of modern art when you think about it.
I made an entire career off of it.
No, you didn't.
Ladies and gentlemen...
You're beautiful.
It's true, I saw your face.
Falcons go back for the Skeeter SF, potentially.
Legendary in my opinion.
Well, it's 17 and 4, which is pretty nuts.
The hero's doing numbers, and that's no surprise of Falcons.
Find value in it as a first pick after banning out Batrider,
Windranger, Shadow Demon, Warlock, and Jekiro in spirit.
They take out Tramp Protector, Bristleback, Hosskar,
Razor, and Phoenix, and respond to that Shadowfiend
with a Mars, and now they get themselves a Chen Leshrac.
Do you think Spirit have banned the Phoenix so they don't pick it?
Something's confusing me about the UI again.
What's wrong?
stolen.
So...
Spirit's on the map?
Oh yeah, that's true.
That is wrong.
And in fact, the SF was not stolen either.
I think the stolen stuff is assuming the teams were the same way around that they were lost
and of course Falcons were dead last time, so I think that's the problem.
So it is Falcons.
Yes, he was saying in terms of radiant and dire.
Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha.
Uh, okay, yeah.
So it's the run back of the Skeeter SF, worked out the first scheme.
And they have Bounty Hunter against Chen.
This is like a very plastic old school traditional answer to Jungle Heroes.
What's the answer?
You go and hunt him down and say...
You can go hunt him down, you can block his camps.
It's a very easy thing for Bounty to like stick on a guy and just like follow him around and be annoying.
So Chen doesn't get to like play his game in peace.
Also, Chen is kind of like this slow hero that just wants to sit in one place and be annoying,
whereas Bounty's kind of high movement speed, fast, will run around, create pressure that
Chen can't really respond to in the early game.
But what about the laning stage? What does Bounty do in the lane?
So you can pull the creep wave and just not lane, and then once you're off lane or has lane
control, you can look to move around, go mid, even go to your safe lane if you want to.
You can block Chen's small camp to make sure he doesn't have an Eno and creeps to play with.
You kind of have a lot of options, also Bounty Hunter has a lot of armor, and all Chen does is auto attack.
Usually the way he wins trades is by having more auto attack damage than whoever's on the enemy side,
because he has a creep on top of his own damage to hit with.
Doesn't really work, he has Bounty.
What are the odds that they just run at 5 and then they shift it into the gate later to follow the turnaround?
You're saying that it is making copies?
Do you think that's possible for them?
but that be possible but they're very not very powerful I would say I'll say
more likely a snaking ringmaster and it's a great bounty I think bounty is
more like a specialist hero where you kind of have to you have to play it
you get to know how to play very comfortably I think this cap a
cameraman now that's correct multi-talented Renaissance man you
You kinda look like Kunkka, wait, wait, turning her back?
And say Admiral Kunkka.
No room to swing a cat in this crowd!
That kinda looks like a Kunkka angle, wasn't it?
It was just me.
I think so.
Yeah.
I've gotten that comparison many a time.
I see.
For Spirit though, like, their draft to me
is an improvement in the issues that they've been struggling with.
Like, one, I think they lack an idea of how they want to enter the mid-game.
When you have a hero like Chud, like, it kind of simplified, but, you know,
at some point you're going to group up. You also pick early on Morelle's hero in the
Lush Rack, but you give overall last pick in your draft to Yatoro, which I think is
really the best thing that they can set themselves up for because we've seen time and time again
Morelle in these situations as this Paenvin who gets the overall last pick and just doesn't
deliver, whereas we can have situations where Yatoro's last pick and we get that faceless
board that we got yesterday, for example. But you pick this Lush early, you're going
to buff him with the Chen, he's going to have the anchor in the Mars and he's going
to be able to dish out his damage, and even if his lane goes that badly, it doesn't matter
because you didn't expand that phase in the draft for him. This is way better right now.
Yep.
I also think Ember has for a long time been considered very good against Lesh, but that
was when you used to max play to fist, and you could just kind of spam him out of the
lane. I'm not really sure how this matchup goes now when you have the modern skill build
of maxing chains and playing guard. So I'm kind of curious to see how that plays out.
How much of your reluctance to see Maureen on Ember's Spirit because we don't typically
associate him with that hero, I felt like he did quite well in that game one.
He showed off reasonably high skill Ember plays.
Yeah, I think it's like, for me it's like this.
Maureen is Grandmaster tier every single hero that he plays in official is always.
So when he's not that, I'm always like a little bit like, hmm, but it's obviously like a very
good Ember, like he played it perfectly last game.
I don't really have any complaints to be honest.
I think between the two of them, definitely Skeeter is less comfortable on the left than
Alvina's on the left.
Agreed.
I actually looked it up.
That was the Skeeter's sixth ever game on Shot of Fina competitive.
And he's been a pro player forever.
We're talking about Penta, Oliver, and Lepko.
It goes way back.
So yeah, only five games.
But the Falcons are expanding their pool.
Yeah.
And it's kind of cool to see them pull out that win for me, because I feel like Falcons
very often is like very much pigeonholed and so they can only do this one thing.
Especially skitters, specifically.
Yeah.
Whenever we saw that 24th fixed van on day one we were like, well you got to pick out
a skitters box of heroes.
Yeah.
No, so it's cool to see that they're finding new stuff.
Underlord and Doom get banned out final phase by Spirit.
As Falcon still needed a Mara hero and Ursa and Templar assassin taken out for potentially
utoro picks.
Yeah, so the two drafters and the two key players for each side that have their heroes still to be picked
I at least I don't expect it or to play Lashrak
So it will more most likely be a yet or hero in response to Mar
So for Mar, he's trying to find a hero here that yet or we can't counter right now
He's trying to think like if I picked this will be a tour pick and is that good enough for us to win the game or not?
Leo's timber
Traditional answers like more thing
I guess they feel like they got more thing covered decently with like high physical damage from SF
But it looks like it. Okay, more to be good more for the number good times
Why is more thing so good against Timber?
It's just he can morph into Timber and Timber spells are very good against Timber
But I mean in the laning stage are they just kind of ignored in the laning stage Timber doesn't deal enough like high burst damage to kill
Morph and it's not sustained right he has two spells and they'll deal damage to him and as long as more doesn't die
You can only just morph back up and everybody
You also have like back when you used to be able to do the adaptive strike build
You could just spam Timber out of lane with magic damage
If you guys play against strength build morph just pure strength move not like recently, but I have the horrendous
Clinks so this heroes look pretty strong throughout the event to go. It just seems to chill heroes no matter what the game state is
I also think he needed a ranged turret type of hero.
I was pondering whether we'd see Drow come out because we did see Amey win it and I,
the Ags and the Hypothemia being really useful, but the best thing that Yatoro can do is
just take advantage of the lack of jump right now on Falcons, which they don't really have
much of like an instant blink, stun, catch type of thing, and here is the Clink's really
frightened butt.
He's also just going to have the ability to playmake later on and simplify Morali's
game in that sense, because when you're carrying is like AFK the whole game, it's much harder for
like a stand-in to really get the job done whereas if everyone's being active that could
give them the confidence boost that he needs. So to me it does look like they're accommodating him
a little bit throughout the draft but I do like what it looks like. As long as it's not the over
accommodation of 24th pick which we saw in game one did not convert necessarily into a win but
Yeah, just the right amount
Cool thing about things also is one of the few non-strength super high max HP heroes in the game
Because of death facts because of that back and since he's playing his fear damage
Armor like magic is doesn't matter right? She having high HP is quite good
So you're steering arrows lose some value against a high armor timber saw though. That's fair
They got the lash to kill in them. That's true
So, you know what's very sad?
We were talking in the green room about Witch Doctor being the plague of low and more games.
Plague? He's the best thing about it.
He's plaguing low and more games.
You get to play when people don't play.
How do you know that, Aiden?
My friends are low and more and I watch them play.
Are your friends?
Friends.
Oh, wow.
And they are...
Friends.
You're sad.
What does that mean?
We were trying to sell it to Quinn because I've often asked, I've asked SVG about Witch Doctor
and why he's not played in pro games before, and he's just like, he's terrible.
And they were the same, they were like, he's dreadful.
You don't understand how terrifying this hero is when you're a low-marmile player.
Maladit is Insta-Lane-Linner.
It just is.
Anyone out there that's in the same shitty bracket as me, you'll understand.
And you were sad that we're not seeing it in this game?
Naked sad.
Okay, trends come and go.
Much as how Disco isn't dead anymore,
let's see if Spirit's gonna be dead though as we get into game two with Cap and SVG.
That's right, this guy's not dead!
Though I might kill Brian if he doesn't get off the screen, or just...
Welcome everybody, game two, Falcons vs. Spirits! Falcons absolutely spanked!
Spirit in game one, but it's a new day, it's a new game.
That's right, they get spanked again.
Oh, maybe even harder.
I like their draft though.
I like it more than game one.
Yeah, especially the tusk and tusk is really nice against SF. It's one of my favorite heroes against Shadowfiend all-time
I think that's pretty nice. It also gives you some nice just easy kill thread and a lot of tanky heroes
Which is generally what Falcons like to play
So I like that roo got on his tusk is also really good. Yeah, you hated Falcons drafts
And they still won. Yeah, so do you like Falcons draft more than game one? I do. Oh
So maybe they'll lose
I think the bounty can do some serious work in this game like they're a lot of is really fast with the ember timber ringmaster
Just combining for quick kills with this bounty hunter scouting things out setting kills up on the chin
Being annoying mid against the the Lashrack was low armor early and can get kind of killed in these room fights
The track against the clings is always super annoying for you toward a deal with in that mid game just being found on
So I also think this double melee offlane for Falcons should do pretty well though. They did swap supports
Which was smart because Chen up here offers you nothing. Chen
Pretty useless against timber over the long run
Sure, so this tusk makes the lane a lot stronger early and try and force timber off some of the early waves build a little bit of
Elite free of Toro, but I do think this timbers pick was pretty smart because there were very few carries that would have
Done okay against timber and an ice of the scenario and even then
Very few that would have worked with the Chen well against the Timber.
They limited Yatoro's picks a lot, and ATF is pretty confident playing his Timber in anything anyway.
So it's like he's debilitating your pick in the draft wall, so just not even carrying what you end up with.
Yeah, look at the way that Rue has been able to zone off Crit from pulling that second wave.
Definitely way stronger up here than that Chen.
Didn't immediately get the tag team hits they were hoping for to punish Crit, they'll get a little bit more damage on a maar.
Crit does get the sentry deward and the wanes, waves going into them, so...
They'll eventually get something up here.
And look at Grown.
Seven and three, and he's already punished Maureen, got him pretty low.
That's nice.
He's doing a lot better.
He's the all-his-man, though.
Well, that's why it's got the facet.
True.
Chrono... Chrono-optic nourishment.
Also see how well Falcons can do in this SF lane over the long run.
SF ringmaster, that is.
That sounds miserable to play in with Mars chin.
Definitely going to favor Falcons in this lane.
Especially levels 2 and 3, they potentially have some kill to run down with raises on the collapse if you ever throw out some spells for a range creep or something.
It doesn't have the defensive capability.
Chen does not offer you a lot here.
Chen is also generally a lot weaker in the off lane than safe lane.
Can't harass as well, can't zone people out with the creep.
Can sometimes go and like steal small camp creeps?
That's kind of the one thing that is a little weird.
The enemy fight doesn't want to stack or play that camp because Chen can come and take it.
So you do deny that innately a little bit.
Otherwise, it always feels a little awkward playing here on the off lane.
And you also have to think about where there's bounty hunters.
I think Crit has very high capability to just TP bottom in biz, run up that lane and go for the kill on the chin or the collapse Mars if the lane is super far up.
The weasel's chilling.
Too afraid of bounty hunter snipes.
Dude, that weasel's a super old school career.
Yeah, that's one of like the first...
Yes, that is a thing, right?
I'm pretty sure that came out when Havos was still in Naughty.
Yeah, probably.
those were the days man you could play safe lane life stealer go first item
heart and win
yeah it was a different time it was a different time
what's the mean 4 out of 10 what is it yeah it was 4 out of 10 right yeah it was
4 out of 10 yeah because he was a 4 out of 10 on the carry scale of the carries
He's at the... beyond the summit of it.
That was such a...
DUMBERY.
It was the summit.
Didn't realize we had a whole boost defender in the trap.
I mean, it's just to do with the guy was one of the go-carries at the time.
It's like the people critique these go-players for their small inadequacies when the inadequacy is still so high on the scale.
Relative to everybody else anyway because they're go-players.
players it's irrelevant you feel like he was the progenitor to uh some of the
carries that get uh targeted yeah for sure the Dorachios the tomomans
oh it's not compared to the tomomans that's
my tomo man was a different beast let's not go there the Dorachios the whole
I'm just saying at the time who is better than him at the time loader
Yeah
low
You didn't win the guy I did win so I guess that's what it was a beast. Yeah, he was beast down. Yeah
What's up with these early games, they're just so quiet.
Maybe you should talk to them.
I think that's funny man.
I think it was pretty funny, yeah.
Really, you think anybody laughs at that?
It doesn't matter, I did.
Sometimes in cast, you know, it's more for your own amusement than anybody else's.
Yeah. Yeah. I understand. Six minute power root is coming in, but the gank is gonna come
in before that as Morrell gets doped by double supports. Where is the help? Please, Rue, save
me. Don't come in far too late. He will get the revenge kill on Crip, but the damage is
done. The first blow is taken, the mid laner has died.
Is that bounty roll on the flesh?
Even the timing of hip coming back for the power rune is going to be really awkward.
Again, I think they're quiet early game.
It's kind of nice for what Falcons want to do with their two side laners.
If they can start to pick the pace up now and try and find some experience for the bounty.
Yeah, when you're talking about the side lane woes, 14 Spirit, it got me in a hose like, man,
If you're having side lane woes, you do not want to be playing against Val'kyr.
Well, I think it's one of the strongest side lane laning phase teams.
Didn't have to buy her. I would agree.
The only downside for Val'kyr in this game is they are running the bounty,
who generally wants more action for more kills for more XP.
But again, I just don't think it's Val'kyr style with the hero.
I don't think they go into these games expecting that to happen.
They're just going to get XP later on.
on. The soul ring. The soul ring. Like something like this right. The soul ring. Did he get
it? Okay he got the soul ring. It's fine. He dies. Who cares? At least he got his item.
See this is like the falcon's fountain. This is where you can play the same heroes a lot
of other games like Yuzo a lot of way. Like he's going to pull ways to try and get as
much solo XP to him as possible so that that 6 comes online and they get the kill later
and then the bounty will get the XP from that kill. But he's not just sitting there leeching.
She's not just trying to force some clink skill early.
You set the moment up and then you make that moment great.
It rewards you.
Four positions that enable their offlaners.
That's a good spot.
Crazy confidence.
Flitter surrounded by the magic damage of the Leshrac, Amar, will pay the price.
So despite bringing the SF in, they did kind of like separate the three of themselves.
Those are little awkward Falcons for sure.
I don't know what the comms were on that.
I felt like a Marge that didn't understand Lush was going up there, but it should have been super obvious with empty lane mid.
Maureen can always push this lane and get a lot of information.
Get some harass on him.
Now be careful with the shards here though.
Nakin's just dead.
Whip it doesn't go out before the split earth hits him though.
He does as much damage as he can.
Maureen's not gonna be able to play off of that though.
Come on, rough death for Nakin with the rune spawning now.
Trying to get a slight B maybe?
Just fight him.
Maybe he even kills Rue. Snowball goes out, hits him with a stun, haste Rune, picks up my crits.
They do manage to get the kill on Rue. Morrell, I...
Well, now I don't want to know if the comms were between these three.
Oh, you might get him too.
God, are you serious? What?
I'll reach his dismantle spirit.
I mean, that's also the bounty with through and through.
You land some of these shurikens, they do so much damage, but the low cooldown, you max it 5 seconds for a super high damage view, my god.
You missed?
Colossus is trying to style too hard right now.
I don't know about that, he's trying to salvage something.
Or if they get chlorine with just the tusk, that's a bad death right there.
Crit gives it to you, he says close.
He says close.
It's like respect man.
You tried to pull off the, the no, uh, the blind spear play.
It's pretty good.
If he did that, he'd be saying collapse god.
Yeah.
This game became pretty chaotic pretty quickly.
It's what the bounty hunter wants.
Kirk got a lot out of that.
I mean, this is not a kill ball or anything should have given up.
Kind of just like, he's lingering too long and doesn't, doesn't get the jump off, you
know.
He's even surprised with the damage there, but nice pick-off from Rune, and you got to
take these opportunities when you get them.
It's a little six and a half now.
So both of these four positions, I'm going to beast it up here in the early three, one,
and two star for the Tusk, force this for the bounty hunter.
There's all your kills in this game right there between those two.
Ah, the fun of playing Shen against Ember Spirit.
Yes.
How often did you play Shen?
I did play back in the day.
It just doesn't really seem like your style.
Oh, I wasn't.
Who's one of those that you were forced to be doing something you didn't want to do?
My micro was good, but I never farmed a lot, and I was not very good at playing save heroes.
I don't know why. It's not in my nature.
in nature. You're too aggressive of a person.
Yeah. I like the bruisers, you know. I like getting in there. Some players, they like
to sit back and let their team do all the work, but I like to get in there and make
some happen.
Do you have respect for the saviors?
None at all. None at all.
Oh.
I don't know why you and the router don't really work together well.
What was that?
I really wanted to watch the whip that hit the hull there and there.
Big kill on the clink.
I'm surprised Crit isn't hanging out somewhere in a lane
because he is so close to level 6, but he's put a priority
in getting vision for Maureen to continue to be the aggressive monster that he is.
Good shot from Rue, Max-Range will ensure the kill on Snakey,
but now they gotta go back and help deal with Maureen and Crit and Invasion.
Isn't that they have panned off?
You can like, want TP here, but...
It's very awkward for Maury right now.
He's just out. Okay, they're going for it now, they do catch, correct.
And he almost has Trac.
When Trac gets online, this game becomes a lot scarier for Spirit as well.
I can't believe that so many of these kills are on the map.
It's still Rue holding it together. He is.
He is stepping up this game.
Like, this game is a disaster for Spirit without the connections from this Tusk,
Which is why I like to pick I think it just to hear the comfortable with slaying Rue is very confident with
To bring a lot of different lineups together
You already talked about how you like that pick up against SF for over here. I think it's one of the best heroes against SF
Rue trying to keep the pressure off this mid tower
Punch into the split earth do some damage Maureen
Snowball hits it Maureen just not respecting this damage at all again
He really is not. Like, Ruu is just punching his number.
Like, you're gonna say, no.
Tracker's on.
They got a chance and they have this version of Lestrak. They can hit towers, so if they can clear the screen, they can get the tower, but Amar's gonna come in, and this makes this a whole lot messier, still trying to kill Crit, but he had the magic wand charges.
Now morale is going to be blocked and killed.
Crit all of a sudden went from no track to level 7.
Man, you have that like random extra creep there. You can get double hits. So much damage.
Claps. Run down. It's so funny how people use Requiem now and like this.
For like a 0.5 second fear.
50 damage.
The spell is not that useful in the early game.
Just throw it out.
No, it's not.
This keeps spiraling though.
Like, you can't get away with track kills like that.
You gotta respect that the image output from these cores.
Look at this high ground trap.
This could be nasty.
Oh, really nasty with the Shreyle bad.
With the setup chains into the flip.
Oh, they might get both with the track.
And the track kills are mounting up, man.
Oh, boy. Yeah, this is...
I mean, this...
The issue I saw with the lineup is like,
How do you control the map against this ember bounty? You can just kind of run in nice beer from collapse from rails coming in
They're gonna get the arena as a whole crit in
That's a very little jump away to his room then
To get the track on both, but at least you take this bounty off the map you have to bring
You have to bring big core heroes together in this game to kind of fend off your areas
And that ward that got placed deep is been up for half the duration. It's probably gonna last the full time
So much vision off of that
That was a bit tower is gonna fall.
Did deny the imp damage so that was a very big
rune to die. Take away from the Ember here.
Panto making some little things happen.
And they're ready to get your Toro involved in the game. That's so done.
Head straight for the fight mid.
Falcon's there, not gonna expect this DPS. See how much they can get out of it, Maureen.
Out of it, Maureen.
Out of it.
Can't jump to his friend yet.
That was a really big room denied by Pantel.
Not only did you take an empty entry from the Ember,
he had no resources and ends up dying as a result.
Yeah, they might have killed the Leshrac if he had that empty
damage.
Oh yeah, for sure.
He had more resources to maybe get out afterwards.
But instead, the rotation from Utoro works out very well.
We can see that Falka's like, they can still just sit here
and control areas, even when heroes die.
That's how strong some of these little combinations are.
Starting to bleed some kills out, that's some Deso charges for Yatoro.
Exactly what Spirit 1.
Very defensive game from Spirit, but that's, I think I was always going to be...
Just need to get to the Mars Blink, then your catch on the bounty hunter goes up
and can bring a lesion to the fight. His freeze is done.
So he has a bit of counter play against the vessel chains here.
You know what's funny, I always used to ask myself,
on main yatoro, why they don't go soul ring on clinks?
Why they would always go falcon blade?
Now other people have gone soul ring and
now yatoro is like, you know what, soul ring is pretty good.
Skeeter though. Ooh, this db! I want a timing for that!
He was just seconds away from roo snowballing on him.
What was that where you...
Oh, it's kind of sick.
Yeah, it was.
I mean, to be fair, that top lane is...
Gigapushed in and they have a very deep ward alongside that and it's seeing absolutely nothing, so...
But I feel like a lot of players would try to get through there and like farm their way back up the river there.
Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or they'd be trying to farm ancients and gate until their ancients or something, and you'd just bail at the exact right time.
Heads up map, read.
From...
Skeeter God.
Let's get God does it again.
I'm self a perfect SF game hero.
The whole 13-0-0-0, the dream SF game, right there.
I guess he didn't even get an assist for that weapon.
Wait, really?
I thought it slipped collapse, but I guess maybe I just missed him entirely.
Well, collapse has his blink, so...
Time to get the game snowballing in your favor.
And he's got to get perfect spear backs again, he gets it!
Punch up into the split, earth chains done, beautifully done!
Man, there is so much pressure on collapse, cause like they don't have that could've set up for the Ember Spirit, it's just blank spear.
He's been laying there in this series.
And he's got to get really close to him when he does it, if he's too far away then he gives a chance for the Ember to slight dodge it or jump to a remnant.
Pickoffs are keeping him in the game.
Still a little worried about how much farm this Shadowfeet and Timber are picking up,
but you can't stop everybody from farming here.
You just gotta believe in your teamfight with this Chen Tusk giving you a lot of scale.
And it's clean to be able to give you the bonus damage on top of.
This means kill attempts if you throw and get more involved, which is kind of looking
to.
Where do you want to go with this Ember?
Hey, one morale and he is looking toasty.
Grieves simply get through to the chains.
Unfortunately, the numbers are too much for him to handle.
There's so much quick damage fault in Slav with early blink on ATF.
Spear if they want to take the fight.
Margeous goes in, there is the Clink spell, they have got the stuns to keep him inside
of this area.
Oh, he's going to spear back on an attempted chain.
Ice Shards barely missed, they can't make a run for it here, he's got a whoopee cushion.
Gets away.
He's still chasing after him though.
Get the wheel whip though.
Maureen, escape back trying to get away, Gatoro's still chasing after him.
These trinkets are so silly man.
Let's drink it after drink it to keep him alive.
And he's still sticking around.
This guy's way too crazy, but he dies to the arena wall.
They got it.
They got the ring, Matt.
They got him good.
They want more.
So far, really far away, the Tumblr Toy actually pulls Rue to an awkward position.
It's okay, though.
They got the mid tower.
You see Panto playing with double purge creep here.
Super smart with how much you could dispel in this game.
I'm not expecting Spirit to just be setting that trap for the timber, which is what sets this whole sequence up.
Maybe this class has been having fun in this game.
And he seems to be enjoying himself.
The record's not great, but the vibes, they're immaculate.
I still haven't seen SF join this game. He was just finishing BKB, so your hazard now level 15, so you have to be a little wary about chasing again like that if your spirit can be chased into the SF and he just ruins your day.
I mean, you're probably...
The BKV is very well timed, because now Falcons are just gonna set up some torment, or what do you do as Team Spirit?
That's why he didn't want to join those fights. Like, he was hitting a really nice timing here.
You don't want to join that fight die, and then this entire game gets set back.
That's why they call Ski your old reliable.
That is the worst game I've ever heard.
That's what they call them.
Inner circles, that you're not a part of, Austin.
Is this the TI winner plus SVT group figure in? I forgot about this.
Somebody has to serve drinks.
Apparently baked the pastries.
Yeah, I've legit thought of these Malabakian at times.
It's quite fun.
You know, the truth of it's being close to chemistry and cooking, I think that's fairly
accurate.
I have a chemist at heart.
Now, I have poisoned myself like through all the vacation, but that I think is the chemist's
life.
I mean, that was early chemists.
They did do that, so.
I definitely, I definitely fucked myself up somewhere, falling in the light.
Do you like baking more than cooking?
Cause I consider baking to be a little bit more of an art than cooking.
I like baking way more than cooking, but I don't like the product more.
Ah.
Kurt trying to make his way out with the tumblr toy is not going to be making it out of there.
Too much catch here from the trio team spirit.
And yes, I do realize using the word product when I'm talking about cooking does make a
certain implication, but I am not affiliated with that.
Any kind of...
I think you can skip the opposite.
BKB is almost done for Amar.
I think you can keep these purge creeps forever.
I think you need to against bounty hunter.
Like you need to get rid of chains.
You need to get rid of... Can you get rid of Whip? Actually, the Fear? Is that dispellable? It is dispellable.
So you can dispell that, you can dispell the Fear Requiem as well, the chains.
Desol? Apparently you could dispell Hurling Death.
So there's something to dispel from every single hero on Countless.
That's pretty cool.
He's got one following Morel too.
Don't worry my little doggy. He'll help you out. Oh
You got track. Let me go take care of that sir. This is the ultimate Butler service right here
Just triple purge to run around behind everybody
The little Seder seems so upbeat about it too the downside is he's not farming camps or pushing waves
Like a normal Chen army. Yeah, that's why he's not that much more farmed in the ring exactly
So there is a trade-off here, but
But if you're on team spirit, you're not farming as a support too often anyway
No, or at least that seems to be there. I don't know if that's good. I don't think it is
Yeah, you talked about how that is actually spirits downfall. I think it hurts the blog
And you need to find farm on supports on this big
Some capacity
I'm trying to make a move on the list. Where is the purge creep? Oh god, they're not here. They're here too late
Okay, never mind room shows up just make a tie on a mark. It's off his BKB before the punch so he does not get spear-changed
Claps out popping his own
BKB got a mar inside the arena. That's pretty good. The requiem's gonna push him back and they make the commitment a mar is so taking
They're really gunning for him though, and they do manage to get him with a toros damage
But morale is gonna be taken out by Maureen and yetoros not could just push through the walkway
No wait actually purge off the dust and what are they gonna do? They have to buy a gem
banisher
too powerful
The only thing more powerful than satyr banisher is to satyr banisher
And he's got three so unfortunately one of his died. Oh, no
Salute goes out to satyr banisher number three you perished in the flames
Cut down before his run
The Atoroh in his prime though.
Deso and Daedalus, he wants blood.
Now it's not a bad fight for Spirit considering how it started.
Very solid arena time from Klabs to catch the timber after the BKB and then you're able to get him down eventually.
It's just so damn tanky.
Yeah, they're kind of grinding back what, you know, was a pretty rough situation.
themselves in about 15 minutes I just wonder if it's all gonna lead to
something or are this timber SF gonna outscale you anyway because probably
feels that's gonna be the case I just have faith that ATF on this hero in the
18 he wins those games more often not no matter what the draft is yeah it doesn't
have to be like a situation where they're trading well right now but like they
need to be winning fights yes that's what I think especially with Roche
available. That's a really nice pick off because Roche is running to this little summer home up here.
They could also take this tier one tower while they have the numbers advantage. The issues you
can't force the Roche, you don't have to be giving on your tour, it's way too risky. Yeah, yeah. You've
got to find some more pick offs here. They lose their ward. They were running towards Gemma.
Sator banishers. Banto, get up there.
True, he could have to his family.
He could get four of them.
No!
Don't mercy.
Oh, wait, wait, wait. He only killed one of them.
Oh, he killed one of them. He got the other one!
Yes! That's what I'm talking about!
Re-instated.
Welcome back, brother.
Brother.
James! On the clakes, Yatoro, half HP,
but they just roughly banished him,
and he's able to back up on a Mars almost dead.
Oh!
He has to be in the VKB, but he still dies!
And the Requiem is not enough to threaten Spirit. Spirit can keep going, maybe, though it's hard to push up into this high ground.
They change to hold them back. They just say, this is the time to do Roshan. Let's not chase up into Falcons. Let's force them fight us.
They want to stop this Rosh.
Is this why I prefer the Blink Hyasha set builds? You can kind of get in these fights and...
And you know, that's like the 100 distance record.
Yeah, like, it just doesn't do it for...
In this kind of lineup at least, if you're playing the more aura-based lineups where
you can build piping turns and you go behind this right click SF and he's doing rose,
you make the enemy fight you, I think it works out a lot better.
This kind of lineup, I think you want to be able to go in and play off some of your main
stuns.
Yeah, until he has a VKB legit, what does your Toro do, and SF blinks on him and everything.
He just he runs a little distance away then he gets bearded he gets triple raised or double raised maybe
And now you're gonna have three BKB cores
It's gonna be a lot more difficult for Falcons here in the last few minutes
I thought they're gonna be able to extract more value here, but the purge creep shut down the tracks
ATF died back to back with his BKB timing just not tanky enough not getting bailed out by
escape act or tonic or anything like that
SSF's not hitting hard enough. It's free of a game as he had
Daedalus deso clings is doing some work and that's a good point where are the
escape backs. He's been having to use them on like either himself or heroes very
early on in the fight. Timber's been playing away from him a little bit, going in
pretty deep.
Solid position for Spear right now.
I have an Aegis and a very spliced Net worth lead.
They're actually favored for the first time in this game.
You get that BKB.
I mean, this is going to be Team Spirit's time to shine.
of how much they can get it now that they're gonna have to be the once way
more on the offensive is good start pick off on crit start taking some of these
tier two towers
that was just a dodge motor now what do you think about a eggs on clinks since
the nerf is it not worth going eggs because it we still see that some of
these planks, get Agatom scepter, and I think it's also more valued when you're trying
to go high ground.
I think most of the value is in objective taking.
I'm not a huge fan of it.
Okay.
Yeah, it does seem like the Ag since the nerf, it has not been impressive to me.
I've never seen an Ag.
No, it's a little.
like oh man that was really worth it. It's a luxury item at this point. It does, it's
useful but it's not for K plus use though. So I don't hate Yotaro not going at it all
he's gonna go MKB next item to broad damage man. Try and stay ahead of the butterfly pickup
from Skeeter. They already have nullifier and collapse so, hey TF he's thinking about going
I mean, Ag's here, but I wonder if he sees this nullifier, will he change it up?
Or maybe he just doesn't care, he's just gonna go in BKB-Ags and play around it a little bit.
Yeah, I think he's been taking so much grief from the clinks.
Like, what are the other options for him to deal with that? Is it more armor?
Yeah, Sheeva's very good, Sheeva.
Insanely good.
That is, so maybe you're discussing this as a team and ballerine will probably get one in this game
So you don't want to double stack it potentially sure there are other items that timber can get
You almost always goes for the glade near at some point doing this hero
Hey, are we on the chakrams? It's just
It's so toxic. I
Will think it's core at this point
It's kind of crazy, this is like a damage dealing core that has like in his full six
slot Glatner has become the standard.
Yeah.
It's kind of wild.
I think the Twisted Chakra must be so much better specifically by Glatner.
stop now we're yes sir Gatoro is doing it
falcons really did not get too many objectives the time that they're waiting
that is a Chen axe my goodness Panto went for that early I mean I guess you
already have grieves on morale and they have a solar crest he's got one
drums so an axe okay is it that good this game what's it really getting I
think it would have been a lot better if the SF went that kaya yasha blink build
though maybe it's made worse cuz then he's gonna get feared but like it would
save other people
Great, gotta be run down here.
Oh yeah, this Ghost Scepter not lasting quite long now.
I guess he's been always like just channelhand at God to prevent a lot of temper damage.
Does give you debuff man, so temper's not doing any damage into it.
Oh, he's giving magic resistance, right?
Pure damage, I'm sorry.
Oh, it gives debuff, I mean.
You get magicers and debuff.
Yeah, what are you talking about, like, the slows?
Oh, I get what you mean, yeah, I mind.
I mean, like, what are you worried about if you're sitting here in Hanagot with a bunch
of purge creeps?
It's just SF.
You're really worried about.
So there's some validity to it here.
Unless SF rolls up and just ruins your day.
Which could happen.
I mean, that is a Shadowfiend lifestyle.
You just swagger up and ruin someone's day.
He does have Butterfly.
So he's hitting a lot harder now.
They did get the Axe on the timber as well, no sheevahs on the embryo yet, so they are missing that little component, but they're looking for the fight.
They're showing Cric top on a wave, this is pretty sneaky. Pretty rare that you would expect Falcons to be making a move while showing bounty hunter who's not in the move.
And, Morrell, he falls for the little javade here.
Gonna have to BKB and just dead, BKB used, a lot of damage done, Falcons may not get a kill for it but they have the advantage now in fact Malreen says if there's more to be gotten here
Intense it, intends to take the boss down.
Stagger lands and other chains, they're getting bit by bit, the poke is just debilitating man.
That was a perfect kill. No ability to respond to anything there.
That was kind of a sick bait on the map.
Like, I think a lot of people are going, why is Marill just sitting in mid?
But again, if you see bounty hunter farming top wave, how often do you expect the move to come without that track hero?
Yeah, without track, without the hero that's scouting your smoke move.
Exactly. It's very awkward for a moment it catches you before you realize everybody else is off the map.
I'm trying to kill some of the starters, but no the starters protect each other strong together
Brothers back to the fountain to you
Oh, that one doesn't get a break. No back to the clock. Oh, yeah, he needs to heal
Take my shift brother
Get out of my face poogie
Nobody ever high-fives the man.
Utoro is out here, man. Good.
I guess that's EKB.
I guess he is untouchable with that.
Yeah, I mean, what can be done to him? Nothing.
Going for the Wisdom Shrine, then it's gonna be taken by Crypt.
You know, it was just taken, and they know the hero's here. They do.
They see him. Utoro's going for the next one.
one, media snowball onto Skeeter, so much damage man.
Woo, that was not close at all.
He died so fast because of the MKB from Yatoro.
Great, I'm here, it's game now.
Just too much threat on these big core heroes
and that's the power of the Tusk.
You just find these heroes,
shrunk them down to size, you can't just BKB nightfall out.
It's bounty hunter lost too much momentum in this game.
And now it's kind of up to the timbersaw to scale and carry it here.
And those early deaths really hurt, Amar.
The spear, they're going to hit high ground.
Spell to BKB available for the clings.
Hex on the Lashrak.
And they got that hand of God to back them up if they need it.
Birdie's strong formation right now, you know, it's gotta be elseful, Link.
And they did this so fast, it's damage done on a second lane, but Roshan did just spawn,
so no reason to risk anything here.
They are fast enough, eh, can actually, because Roshan spawned just now.
of the prophecy do it before the SF is even backed up alive falcons kind of
scrambling to get to the pit here they're just not gonna have the numbers
to contest another ages take the pipe anyway all the clings keep you out way
oh they they're gonna show suit that is free clearance from Maureen and Amar to
chase down whatever they can find it'll just be the chin not the worst yeah
that's a that's a good break for spirit because that's a very dangerous
situation keeping your carry out like that with the ages and falcons is not
afraid of the rest of spirit they're afraid of the clings
Well, Yatoro's gonna give his own butterfly.
Got him?
Can he get him into the wheel here?
Yeah, they got him.
That's gonna be the Aegis.
As close as BKBs, you can't fall into him again.
Double fire breaks the Agatom scepter of the Timbersaw.
Man, he's just gonna be chased down pretty easily.
Yatoro pop his BKB chasing for more.
Shards kind of ruins the rest of the chase here.
Chase here. Collapsed, still up the blink-over-heat. Oh, what a spirit time!
Almost got the Requiem off, and now he throws in some trouble here.
One more hit, surely one more hill finish him off, and it does.
He has Def now on the run with the rest of his BKB, cotton-side the shards.
Team spirit back and away from Maureen. Skeeter's good for now.
He still has. Requiem is not going to get the chance to. Collapsed, just too good on the initiations.
Running down Maureen up next. No remnants to work with.
What was that Spiros effectively blind?
He just knew that guy was stuck in the shards.
Went in, perfect positioning from Collapse.
Finds another connection on this SF who just can't do anything in these fights, it seems.
Oh my god, maybe he's trying to catch Crit.
This one's a monster.
And this Vellifier really negated the one save that Falcons have in this Ringmaster escape act.
Yeah.
Like, you want to throw it on that timber there if you're snaking, but he's nullified, so...
All you can do is watch his timber go down. There's no bailout.
Dangerous situation of Falcon's taking that fight.
Post-Age of spawn.
He did not like how it ended as fear. Gonna try and claim some buildings here before the heroes are up.
Gonna second lane without the clings.
I mean, you can buy your shadow feed, I guess.
That's gonna feel real bad to do, though.
I think the timber saw is enough to hold this.
Police! Gonna go out after him! Light mirror!
Double trochromes on full supports.
A little bit of damage done.
Again, he has to be careful against this nullifier.
You get spear-stunned in a nullifier and a chain stun.
Just get melted.
Butterfly now done for the planks.
I think how Collapsed is so good with the blink spears that he doesn't need psychobice. He's like, where was the point?
You're looking at that. Just looking. Oh, you're looking at it is quick fun. It's going to refresher
And the shield room.
We had this Navi carrier upgrades into the burn.
I was proud of that.
Which makes no sense, by the way.
No, because now the weasel's in the box that the bird is carrying.
No, the weasel has the box.
It just turns into a bird. Why does a weasel turn into a bird?
What is the lore box?
He's inside the barrel.
What does it have to do with Navi in the back 2010?
Nothing makes any sense about this carrier.
It should be a roof in the game.
You were very supportive of it earlier.
Nothing against Navi, though.
Yeah, you can't shoot Tark Navi anymore. They're back on top.
I apologize, John Navi.
God's Rebuke Crit for the level 25.
They're getting all their 25s. Somehow it's Mars and Lesh who are 25 before the Cleants.
Yeah. So that goes to show you how much farm they found on all three cores here.
You have the Diabolokid explosions, you have your Rebuke Crit, you have your
have your refresher on Mars. Double arena spirit, double nullifier potential.
As Clinkz is closing in on his 25, this game is becoming very grim for Falcons. Just slipped away from them.
Where's Kalatska?
He's not sticking with his team on this high ground, which is a little surprising.
He's going hunting, and he knows somehow that Snake King is going to try and sneak the Wisdom Shrine.
What? He must have seen that off of some sort of deep board or something? Yeah, it was
a deep board. He must have ran down the river in the bottom part of the map.
Ken's taking his gate. Oh, God, he blinked. The spear? Oh, we got him! That was a wide
spear. That's a two-time TI winner right there. There he goes. Metamorphic mandible.
That's actually two-time TI winner on two-time TI winner violence.
Only found the bar.
Rell makes the jump.
He's gonna have to BKB out of here.
Skeeter, four staff, he's able to survive.
Crit, not so much.
Meanwhile Lamar, BKB, timber chain up to the high ground, he's good for now.
Collapse.
He's threatening to jump back in. He does get remnant chain though.
I'm surprised he didn't refresh to just like re-blink arena that timber.
Might have been worth it. He just one of the few heroes would buy here though.
So the call is kind of correct to hold it.
Now how do you stop this final push from Team Spirit with the banner down and
a clink's hitting from 700 range.
I have no clue. I mean you kind of have to beta jump from spirit get your bkbs off and just turn it that way
Do you have some buyback? Okay, there's the jump that got the bkb off. That's kind of it. That's like step number one
Now that wreck wind goes down another arena those skaters still in some trouble to get the escape back to if he is not escaping out of this double arena play
And of God channeling
Channeling just to make sure nobody's getting touched here now. I'm already to go jump in
Back on the SF. We're gonna have to use it here
Snowball in a mars still on top of these heroes Marellis dice up the back line at the same time though
He died ball. He just destroyed them. He got two supports before Skeeter can finally maybe put him down that final
It is just not gonna be enough snowballing after him and Falcon's done with this one. They are
Out of it for game two the series
Go 1-1. That has to have needed another damage item there.
It needs to be a Tannik or Gatalis or an Aegis or something.
You just do nothing at the end of that fight.
Call up to that Timbersaw and just get shredded by the flanks.
Nanna the match right there. Collapsed.
Some sick initiations from him.
But also, ultimately, played the mind game.
Alright, we set him up, got the last laugh.
But you didn't really...
I told you, I killed the victim like that.
I told you.
I actually would have bet on Spirit like a thousand percent scheme just purely off the tip team
I do the second tip to the this game was over like there's no way he won't spear it up
That was a terrible tip in the history of their tips using man of the match the class
I think it was Rue I
Well, I I think this game exists because Rue's early game class is 8-1 and 14
No, the thing is at the point at that point in the game also magic lutes both games Rue had a fantastic game
It's fun, but I think what I have to do is go for me the player the game is rude because I think by the point
You get to that late game. It's not that easy to play, but it's just like getting better and better
But the early game is it's really tough for spear to lose but like I think there's a decent chance
They could have easily gotten run over in this early game with some like similar lane domination
Bounty's tracking people killing you. You're spiraling the mentality's bad. I think rule held it together
shout out to room
SPG putting the support as the MVP, what a surprise.
No bias whatsoever, I mean that was just superior support played, MVP well deserved. Good job, Kanto.
Yep, he put the...
RULE? Oh, never mind, it was RULE. Kanto botched everything.
I mean, did he? I feel like he had some pretty cool moments.
It was the poor duo MPP if anything.
Yeah, I feel like he did some cool stuff with Prog Creeps this game.
They don't get to see all the time, which I think we'll take a look at later.
Sure.
I actually have a question.
It's for one of our castes.
It's for SVG.
SVG, you're...
I don't know if he could just give me some indication as we passed.
Somebody dumped a load of garbage outside my room.
That was Jenkins?
Okay, thank you.
That's all I need to know.
That actually happened?
That actually happened.
I opened my door this morning and there was a pile of takeaway bags and garbage outside my door and Jenkins had left it there
I know what he ordered last night. So what was it?
There was a Joe in the juice bag and there was something else the Joe in the juice might have been familiar in a day
He had a bearded pizza last night. Was there a pizza? This is suspicious
however
That I did see Svg eating Joe in the juice yesterday really yep
It's vicious.
Much to discuss.
The plot thickens.
Yeah.
Much to discuss about this game.
Effie Spirit managed to get themselves a recovery game against a lot of what Falcons
had in game number one.
They had their shadow fiend, an extremely high win rate shadow fiend, but Spirit found
the solution now.
They did really well and again I just think Spirit looked better with this current iteration
if they can give the overall last pick to Yatoro and not too early and it showed throughout
that game that there are a lot of cool things that they did in the laning stage etc.
we can talk about later, but I do really want to emphasize what it was like for the supports
to have not just the Leshrac plus the Mara so they can play with, but they're carry being
active. Oftentimes I was watching that game and Rue was setting up for like a blink initiation
on somebody and Yatoro was there scouting with the Invis. It felt like they were playing
a killer pair for most of the game and it's nice to see Yatoro and Collapse step up this
game and take that upon themselves. You could tell Morelle felt a lot of the burden he eased
in that game.
Yeah, I mean, I think it is still like, it's also just how they always played, you know,
with Laurel, they always picked him early.
And they would say collapse and get tore up for success.
I think it just, it's not even just limited to this roster.
I think this is just kind of how they succeed always.
So, yeah, finding ways to stick to that, I think is, it's good.
It's, because for them right now, it's finding their identity and then learning how to recreate
situations in which they can comfortably play the oil and if we do list the burden off panto it's
necessary because he has a lot of buttons to press a lot of theaters that he needs to click on in
this game number two right yeah so i had at least one moment that i thought was really really cool
he had a lot of satyr moments but this was one specific one i really wanted to show you guys
where they're fighting in one of the crucial fights outside roshan um we're gonna see it here so pay
attention to the purge creep he purges your toros chains the toros gonna run away be completely fine
They turn it around and kill a more where is the first creep on the screen?
I can't do it. Can we can we go back and show Ted one more time?
Is there other idiots? I went by way tiny tiny little person. Yeah, he runs up to you Toro
He purges him and you told me like alright see I'm are I don't care about your damage and then runs away and I'm
I was like, oh my god
I'm way too deep and then he dies because he's expecting to kill the Toro so it was not going to be able to punch back
Here the next clip has nothing to do with first creeps
but I just wanted to show you guys Collapsus patience and how we place out these teamfights and
Here even though they lose Jatoro you're gonna see Collapsus just sitting on the outskirts just waiting biting his time and
Just waiting waiting does not rush it
you know skaters like scared pump fake pumping his requiem and
He doesn't go in until he guaranteed knows that he has no way to follow up and this is kind of how you want a teamfight
And no ring gets baited in too and when they are put in these positions even without Jatoro their hard carry
They're able to clutch out fights and it just speaks to team like fierce team fighting ability. That was such a spirit team fight
Yeah, I felt good to see after a lot of their
stumbles and trips and failures throughout the stream league so far
But it's actually the moment where utoro died there was a region run spotting right so and the stake that merely easily could have made
Was to go for it
But he just ignored it he went up and he's like okay my job is to just disengage
I'm gonna go in when my Mars goes on yeah, if he had taken that
Regeneron, he could have been blinked on as well and insta-killed, but even he was showing that spirit patience and you know
Waiting for the perfect moment and it felt kind of comforting to watch as a spirit
The DNA is still there. It's still there. It's it's it's getting cooked up slowly
Just needs to multiply some more mitosis to spread it throughout all the teammates and then there are one unit
My dirt. Yeah, is that a thing? That's how cells
It's how you add new things, such as new people to talk to.
I got Yatoro on the line.
Yatoro, congratulations on the game to win.
We've been looking at your team quite closely,
and I was hoping to get more insight from you
on your dynamic between you and Panto,
because we've seen you and Moposhka for years and years and years,
and we're wondering how maybe you've changed your gameplay
or you've adapted to Panto, if anything comes to mind?
I think it's more like Panto adapted to us, because we're already like four players with our
like structure, I don't know if it's English, but I mean we're like a team a long time and he
He needs to adapt to our playstyle and it's more like this, I guess.
Gotcha.
Yeah, so you guys had the structure and he just needed to slot into that.
So then do you, I guess the moments that we're fighting is sometimes in the laning phase,
a Panto movement may feel a little bit different than a Mapoche movement.
How often are you telling your support, I want you here versus they just do what they think is right?
Not like often, but sometimes we are talking about laning and fixing our small mistakes
about the laning, how we want to stay, and it's still not clear for us.
Gotcha.
And how much of that, if you can talk about it as much as you want, but how much of that
comes from having a coach?
Because right now you guys don't have a coach, you just have an analyst right now?
Mm-hmm. So are you guys looking for a coach or you're experimenting with a coachless character right now?
You will see. Oh
Okay, I like that little Easter egg. How much of it am I gonna see at dream league though because right now your score isn't too great
You don't have much time to turn things around
Yeah, but it's I guess it's gonna be after like dream league
Okay, I'll wait with dated breath then and I'll let you go for right now because you do have more spheres to prepare for you
Toro, always a pleasure to speak to you and looking forward to more spirit at dream league
Bye-bye
That's it for the games for right now the Dota games
but we've got other ideas to keep you guys entertained because I see a
Menacing looking Quinn is looking very very evil villain right now Quinn
What do you have in mind for us?
I have a quiz
Metal your mental metal about one of our beloved talent here talent former player
Oh, and a good friend to all Aiden insania or Chloe
That man right there in the turtleneck that's me
I feel like he has an unfair advantage in this quiz. He does have an unfair advantage
I expect he will get more answers right, but he's not really it's really you three competing in a sort of
Judging your answers. How will you really know him? Okay? All competing individually. This is not a team
Okay, all right, let's get it started
Okay, first question other than Mickey can you name another player who played along in Spain in his first recorded Dota 2 team?
There's three correct answers
Pre-correcting.
That's recorded.
You used to play for Lions, but you played on a team before that with Mikkei.
Was it...
Yes.
Was it Cool Beans?
It is before that.
It's before Cool Beans.
Was it Xayri?
The points for knowing this game.
You've got him just off of Lycopedia, right?
I have.
Okay.
Is it Xayri?
It is not Xayri.
Xayri's home.
Was it somehow Cinderan?
It is not Cinderan.
Okay, because he's played with a lot of players.
Okay.
Neil?
This is a hard one. We're starting off with a tough one. They get easier. Yeah, I don't know. I'll pick some name out of the
Trixie. No, you're on the right thread. None of those are correct. We're talking hauntraps. Wait, I'm honey
So yeah, okay, I did play with these I played with these guys on NIP for a short stint
None of these are right though, but I played on a different team before that is it pro Dota
That's my first team on the cupidio. Um, I forget what it was or is it folly dudes
It was it was the one with
Okay, it's three Swedes. Okay, so it's steel kid. Yes, solitude. Yes, Mickey. Yep
And to be honest, we didn't really have an offlaner, but it was must I carry it was Jonas and fun was what it said on the
Yeah, he did it. Okay. He said it was very good. Okay. Yeah, that was difficult. Yeah, that's that's what I was called team doge on
Wikipedia. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's after solid. All right. That was a tough one now move on to a little bit a little bit easier one
What is Insania's most played heroes?
I would say Oracle, but it often gets banned.
So he doesn't get a chance to play.
Can I give them a clue?
You can.
I have like three heroes that are grandmasters here.
If you guys know them, I think one of them.
That's not Oracle.
Crystal Meadon.
Alright, I'm going to get you all to give your answers.
Think of them all.
Alright, and you're all going to get us so no one can cheat off the other people.
Alright?
already no okay I'm very slow I'm gonna give you five more seconds okay all
right okay look at that all right in three two one rubik dazzle coddle is
that what I heard rubik dazzle I don't know what tsunami son coddle all of those
are wrong okay oracle you're not collected okay you're like it could be
It was a party to be wrong!
No, I said I have three Grandmaster Heroes, that's probably one of them.
I took you out of it, I said Shil he was Bandalore and I put down your life.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
It was Ingenus on the other side.
Okay, yeah, it was Fallfin.
How many...
Oracles my most played hero on Dota 2?
Competitive, yeah.
Okay.
You didn't take it, was it?
I'll give you a hint.
It's one of those three.
Who, who, the other two?
Uh, Kotol Rubik.
Ah, so we were on the right track.
Kotol, close.
Yeah.
I think Rubik should be second.
Didn't I get a point for that?
Um...
Dude, I just bought an Oracle and the later was like, I'll give you a clue.
I'm gonna say you guys stick to your guns. I'm not gonna give you a point for this.
I'm gonna be out of the park.
I'm a mess, bud.
I'm a danger.
You're a mess, master.
Next question.
At which TI did Insanea's famous gyrocopter incident happen?
I wanna say six.
Okay.
I'm gonna advise you to not help each other on this one. Is there not that many TI's?
I'm confident.
All right.
Oh, was it five?
Do y'all have your answers?
I'm gonna get for six.
All right.
Five, four, three, one, eight, nine, it is nine.
Wow!
That's right, wearing the orange skirt.
The first one with a point on the board,
currently one zero zero.
I also have a point.
A bunch of fake friends up here.
I am really like, our loved talent
is not being shown the proper knowledge it should be.
TI nine was my first TI as a talent.
And I remember that moment vividly,
and I was like, that can happen at TI.
So I remember why I don't remember this, is because Ten9 was in Shanghai, and it was me and Ken and Kothelguy.
Oh wait, that was Kothelguy and Hoppins.
Just in the hotel watching Dota and playing underlords, and really we didn't watch the games that much, so sorry.
Alright, next question. Everybody knows in Stania 1 TI, but what hero would be playing in the final game?
That's a good question.
Okay hero to keep win ti with 224 that's right. What was the big what was one of the big supports in the ti 20?
Yeah, can I ask this 10? Are you happy being associated with this hero as your ti winning hero?
I think it's one of my worst heroes, if I'm honest
With the shots because I'm trying to fit his crazy, you know, I'm gonna step on his
Dude, it's crazy. I feel like you're showing me love with this quiz, but the talent down here
I'm kind of shocked at the the vitriol that's being if you would have gotten these questions without consulting liquid
He would know the answer to this one. Let me tell you that.
Scarring PTA is etched into my skull.
This is your soul. You've got three seconds to finalize your answers.
Alright, I've got an answer in my memory.
Dose.
Uno.
Wola.
Is it operation?
All of these are wrong.
You know those Mala Heroes guys. It was clockwork.
Oh my god!
It was the Aidenwork.
Look at him there.
I remember when Voxy was Techies, and I remember...
Voxy was Willow.
There was a Techies in the finals, right?
Because you guys play Techies vs. E.T.
That's the only thing I remember.
They didn't play E.T. in the finals.
We're gonna speed this along a little, I don't know, it'll take this too long.
It might have been the upper back.
This is another tough one.
Can you name a single team Insania played on in Heroes of Newborn?
Oh, this is easy.
The one with Kyle.
There are a lot. Can you name any of them?
This is so easy.
Complexity!
I should know this one.
That's a good guess. There was a complexity in Han, but I wasn't on it.
I should know this because we literally just did a puzzle with you and Kazoo, wearing a team jersey.
There are like 10.
It was like...
Just named Dota rogues that were active, fanatic.
It was like black magic or something, that was the puzzle team.
Something... black light?
Mouse.
Could I tell them if they get it right?
Uh... Tsunami is very close.
Damn it.
I mean, I feel like Ted was kinda close too, Slash right?
When I said fanatic.
Yeah, you played on the fantastic game on on on we did okay
The answers I have on Han wiki are DMSN Han portal black fade is go to trademark e-sports
Yeah, fire rises internet ganks. There's no keyboard rexars and sink east. Yeah, so easy
You
Yeah, you go he won a lamb with finacic take that
Apparently it wasn't on the Han wiki so I'll get a point for that then. Thank you. Yeah, Aiden knows best. It's his life
So tsunami and Ted both of one point
I'll give me a point four for the
For the first one skipper has to come back here as we're good on the stretch
It's a point. Yeah, we're in Spain you live for a year within the United States. I know this one
Are they guessing state or city or how what are they we're gonna go city here
city I'll tell you that's hard I'll give you I'll give you a half point
how long ago was this I was six years old I went to first grade in the US I'm
gonna say New York City near up easy girls
Ohio that's not a city oh yeah I'll give half point for state
State is off a city. I don't know what city is like Chicago.
I was just thinking like you live there. He did. He did.
What deal? Dallas, Texas. That's right. Oh my God. Dallas, Texas.
Neil, the two points. You lived in the London State.
Yes, sir. What's the matter?
Texan brother.
Don't we go on a date? Hey, man.
And now with that, let's get on to our final question.
What are you guys in age?
What was in Spaniard's original username?
It's multiple choice.
It's Dark Yoshi 30.
Pebbles main, Kirby cape, or Venus.
Okay, so Pebbles main would imply that you know Puck
because Pebbles is the Puck and Han, right?
It's Tinian.
Oh, Tinian, yeah, Tinian, okay.
Pebbles.
Oh, well then, maybe.
Dark Yoshi.
I'm going Kirby cape.
Kirby, a lot of Nintendo themed things.
I'm going Kirby cape.
Matthew, what you feeling?
I'm feeling Dark Yoshi or Pebble's Mane.
Like, I'm vibing with that top section.
Dark Yoshi does sound likely, but I'm going with Kirby cake
because it's a banger.
I'll choose the one that you don't choose, Miran.
I don't think it's Venus.
I don't think it's Venus either.
You go Pebble's Mane, you go Dark Yoshi, I'll go Kirby cake.
All right, let's do it.
Lock it in.
It was Dark Yoshi 30!
Is that your name?
Please, I used the third moon skate.
And then one Saturday, I got messaged by RS Mod 1.
Okay.
Who told me I had been banned,
but if I gave him my password and my username,
then he could unbend me.
He tried really hard, but he couldn't do it.
And then I made a username called dark underscore Yoshi 30,
because I was going to go around and be a meanie to everyone.
Were you Yoshi before Dark Yoshi?
I always picked Yoshi in Mario Kart and everything.
Yeah.
Well, with that.
Well, when you came to Dark Yoshi,
were you Yoshi before that?
I don't remember before.
We have crowned a winner,
and that winner is Neil, our host.
No is Aiden the best.
I'm a real Aiden fan.
Thank you all for going on this journey down memory lane
through instantaneous life.
And I hope you all know I'm a little better now
because it seems like everyone besides Neil
doesn't know him too well.
Very good, Clint.
Thank you, Clint.
You did have to get all those off the incident.
Besides the clockwork one and Oracle, I would have guessed.
Yeah.
Bro, I don't know if you've heard of this.
I'm losing it.
I don't care if you've heard of it.
Let's move on.
There's more Dota to watch.
Quinn, thank you very much for the quiz.
Great quiz.
That's it for us.
Although, Ted, you'll be sticking around
because we've got two more series of Dota coming up.
Stick around, everyone, and we'll be back after the break.
This is the story of a mortal man, an angry man, driven by revenge.
He struck a deal and became a tool for the unfortunate souls in Demne Hell.
This is the story of Razor, a story of hatred and anger.
Find out how this came to be in Tales from the Lorekeeper.
Episode 4 brought to you by DHL.
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort of your life, and I hope
I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold our future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions, I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection, then come and sweep me off with more feet
We could just solve all this confusion
We could sort it out
We'll get through this situation
No hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
Unless apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know, that we're in love, that we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me, that you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got the funny way of showing it, so this is where I draw the line
We could just solve all this confusion We could sort it out
We could screw this situation No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apologies won't get you far Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are, and let's apologize for who you are, because I know that you know that we're in love.
Don't say sorry for who you are
And when apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
Give me some of that, give me some of that
I dance and dance give me some of that hot love
I want something I can make my dance give me something that good stuff
Give me some of that fancy dance give me some of that hot love
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Give me some of that, dance again Give me some of that, highlight
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Give me something like my stuff
Give me something like fancy dance
Give me something like high light
I want someone that can make me dance
season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
I think we're all good.
Thanks.
You're serving four days and we have a discotheque guide.
What is discotheque?
What is that song?
I think there's one thing about this movie that we're going to watch.
Something about Disco Speed that you might be more impressed with than this is, because honestly it looks absolutely spy.
It brings fantastic, fantastic box. But please, can we have...
I've seen Disco Speed in action this morning, and yes, as well.
KILLER MOVES!
Woo!
Holy cow.
That you would carry my Disco's dream, you know that guy?
Yeah, he's been on the morning, so really?
Yeah, he wasn't here yesterday.
I've never seen that guy in my life.
I've never seen that guy.
He's outfit, he looks like the way the Italians used to dress in New York back then,
with the suit and everything in the mustache.
The mustache, he's a mobster, is what you're saying?
No, I'm saying he's just one of the Italians.
Are you saying Italians are mobsters?
We are.
In those days, I'm worried about what's in this box now.
Italian guy with the hands on the box.
No, no, no, we already know our challenge.
There's a head in there.
Just the head.
What's in the box?
Wait, they have a text.
Don't die. Yes, let me read it to you as well Jenkins. So you are fully up to speed including all the other people that might have missed this morning
It's the great dream league bake-off with a little bit simplified considering role
Not as great baking geniuses as the original bake-off of course create the best-looking cake
Stack the layers high and use your best creative sense to make a cake worthy of twitch chat approval
there are two points of photographs and
the cake
Obviously needs to be decorated at the end, but before that we need a cake. We don't have that part yet
Then we got to bake it. We got sugar
We have spice and everything nice. No, we don't have any spice
It's gonna be the cake the flavor of the cake is gonna be the same between both chips because it's been following the same recipe
We're having the time. Thanks. Oh, there's your butter. That's a good Swedish eggs
We've got a whisk electric whisk. We have to find a power plug for that one. This is potato starch and baking powder
potato starch. This is flour and this is the recipe where these are old
ingredients and then we have an oven over there 170 degrees. Oh it's very good.
It's a brawn, nice brand. Wait I have to ask is there hand sanitizer in this
box? Have you guys washed your hands? You don't need it. Why? Because we're not
touching any of the ingredients with our hands. Wow. Oh gloves great.
There you go.
Love's up.
That's the mix and mold we're mixing the thing in.
But you gotta read if you wanna do the mixing
on the thing.
First of all, where is the mold?
Rub the mold with butter?
Mold?
No, this is the mold.
Oh.
There's also, there's power plugs below here
so you can actually plug in the whisk and whisk away.
This is nuts.
It says rub the mold with butter and cover it with flour.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the first thing to do.
So the cake doesn't stick?
Yeah, they're making the pan or the mold nonstick.
No.
I can do that.
Cover it with flour.
Well, you're going to pull flour in here before cooking.
I've never heard that before in my life.
No, I heard the butter run the powers of YouTube.
Do you guys give me permission to do the eggs?
You can do one egg.
Yeah, but I would do the eggs if you do a good egg or a better egg.
But also, if you drop any egg bits, you could take them out.
Oh, that's smart.
Thank you.
That's very smart.
I don't know if that's why we have to set the best surface.
What's the best surface I can do?
The flat surface.
You crack it on a flat surface.
The glass.
No, no, no, no, you just go like what she got like that and then straight in
That's all right
Here's why if you crack it on a surface that's edged it cuts into the egg and pushes the shell
Into the yolk and you can get bacteria in there. I'm genuinely speechless
Wow. I've never seen this peck before. I definitely use peck.
You didn't even want to go as well.
No, no, no, not again!
It's already good, it's already good.
You're fine.
There you go.
Oh, no pits.
No pits! You're good!
No pits! They're all stuck here.
Put it on the table.
Jake, you forgot to put it on the table.
You got it with a bit of an eggy hand.
Oh, yeah, I got it.
I got an eggy hand.
Oh, can we get a towel?
That would be wonderful.
Then what white?
So, what's the white part?
So, then we got discos, the worst towels.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, we have lintel!
Oh, jeesh!
So, right, this is the only tiles we have left.
And is there, are there two?
Yeah.
Bear her.
Thank you, brother.
Great.
You're also here for the, for the Dota 2, of course, there's been a lot of Dota 2 already.
We can actually take a look at group stage standings, while we are continuing to figure
out the...
The sugar goes in with the eggs, for whiskey.
Oh, you can, oh yeah, you can use it.
You want to do the whiskey?
Do you, actually you haven't been involved, Brian, would you like to do the whiskey?
I'm down to whiskey, though.
Can I get the thing? Is there a power plug on that side as well?
Uh...
What does yours look like?
Mine looks like a strip.
A power strip.
If you have a power strip, you can use the whole power strip down here.
There's two empty holes in this power strip.
Okay.
What do we need to put in before we...
It says to add the sugar.
The sugar?
Yeah.
Okay, so...
Oh, these are the groups, by the way. Aurora has already guaranteed through. Congratulations.
Hand in all of them.
Tananao, look at the guy ahead of him.
Peking.
Damn.
They're doing exceptionally well.
I think group B is a lot less straightforward
So I'd like to focus our attention on them for a little bit nobody's mathematically out it
But it's looking pretty rough
For Navi and spirits were two teams that I expected would be I
Think oh, yeah, that's it. I was shocking. Yeah, sure. It would be in the top four ready
Every time I've actually never wished that I would keep the west pointed straight down
Yeah, yeah, I know that part and just move it slowly around in a clockwise motion
Okay, I just didn't want it to like go splash you right when I did it
Just make sure it's submerged
What it draws
Liquid I think I put draw I think I got a cheese. You're probably accurate about that both of these themes have
Honestly looked extremely good
Until it's fluffy
Can you, how are you really tossing?
Well, what's the question?
What's your take?
Oh, I can do the tech segment.
Am I doing it right now?
Yes.
Okay, so coming into the day series, we have both these teams started the group stage four
now and now they've gone one and three in their last four games.
Yeah.
But I wanted to take a look at what happened between the two of them during Blastlam where
Team Liquid 3-0 OG.
And I wanted to show the game graphs looking around the 15-minute mark.
So this is game one, and you'll notice that the game's relatively even until 15 minutes,
and then it goes pretty much all the way for Liquid from then on out.
And then I want to show the game, does that mean Liquid is Radiant, by the way?
Liquid is the top, yes, and then in Liquid's the bottom in this one, and this is a bit
of a longer game, so just pay attention to the 15-minute mark there on the bottom.
It's the same story, the game's pretty much even, even a little bit advantage of OG, and
then it goes purely the way of Liquid.
So I want to check out the team fights or the exchanges that happen here.
So this is game one, where Liquid is going to go on Windranger.
And I want to point out the Sable Buddy Syndrome, but that's been the theme of all the replays
I've been showing.
As the rest of OG responds, they try to force this fight.
They could have just not taken it.
But then a sick three-man stumble on Marcy, and they get absolutely wiped here, and the
game proceeds to end from there.
In this second clip from Game 2, they actually had 5 vs 3, but they underestimated the Largo
Ags timing that Ace just got, and they're going to continue diving 5v3 on paper, it
seems good.
But then they're going to lose the Primal Beast on top, and they're going to have to
disengage.
Am I still okay?
I'm still mixing.
And they're also going to kill the Chin.
Just make sure you get the boss in there too.
So this turns into a smoke gank from Liquid about a minute later, where we're going to
Save a buddy syndrome again. They're gonna initiate on Timbersaw, but he's not the one that ends up being in trouble
It's all the people that are trying to help him. Primal Beast goes in
Attempting to save him draw some attention to himself and this Largo adds you're not running away from it because of the moose speed
You're not bringing these guys down to the insane heal and
Basically what we saw in this series in both of these games is
OG getting a little bit overzealous either in a very even game or a game where they had a slight bit of a lead and
And so today I'm gonna be looking for what they do. I'm trusting that around 15 minutes
We're gonna have an even game
But how does og evaluate these like mid-game engagements and do they go for too much again get a little bit ahead of them?
That's a few three minutes of whiskey
I think that was about
That was that was the that was an interesting touch segment
Whiskey
Touch the uh, that was good. There we go.
My dopamine was very high during that because I had multiple things to focus on. Yes, yes.
You want to butter up the mold? What do you want me to do?
Oh, butter up the mold. But I don't know if I want to also uh, mix it.
No, don't put flour in there. You can also mix the flour, potato starch, and baking powder in another bowl.
That's also, so that's what the other bowl is for.
Yeah, and then we add the dry ingredients to the fluffy eggs and sugar.
They're not that fluffy. Are they fluffy?
Ah, they're pretty fluffy. Do they seem fluffy? Let's have a look.
I mean, I guess. Yeah, it's nice and fluffy actually.
Speak speaking of fluffy. I think tree it has been in Largo banned out both fluffy guys very fluffy
He's been picked or banned in 100% of games and every time tree and has gotten through
He's one so I'm most what game how many games has he gotten through not only three
I mean still to be fair, but it's like when it's that high-pick band and then it gets through and then the team
They let the girls that are banned every game that get through end up being like a 50%
sometimes less sometimes because the team that lets it through purposely
Had a plan. Yeah, exactly the fact that he won all three games
He's let through that even says more about the fact that the hero's like you can come up with a specific plan to deal with it
And you still lose. I don't know if I want to quite say he's like
previous patch Naga level of letting it through and then always regretting it
But it's it's certainly getting there the thing is that Naga was always like a decent laner
But her broken aspect was like map play yeah while for triant
He's a broken laner and he has broken that way so it's like I actually think it's more broken than Naga
Wow, that's that's uh, that's high. Do you think we're just never gonna see tree?
Like there are two heroes. I feel like a band every time it's like bottom tree
Yeah, I'm surprised he got through three three will for sure be solved by the end of the tournament like I think there's always
I think so. I think there's always a couple of heroes and SF is probably the other one in my eyes
Also has a 100% had a 100% win rate when I was looking at it
Said 18 and 5 so okay. There's a lot of group stage matches going on very high win rate and almost 100%
Contest rate. I think next the triant so
Another you know that we don't know why my vouch for SF is that I am not a good
I'll just use the whisker.
Can we get a wooden spoon?
Nice, how many should get wooden spoons sabotaged?
In pubs?
Batrider is the...
Okay, so I'm...
D6 and 9.
Nice.
It's a very good answer.
Bat as an offlaner.
I mean, in general, as a hero,
Bat, I think, conceptually, is good against SF,
because you can...
He's this...
or protect one, like, turret hero.
You can just lasso the turret, bring him in out of position.
single target BKB perils are exactly good against turret, but as an off laner in lane like
SF can get run down by a bat at level 2 level 3, especially if you pair it with something like a
Tusk Marcy, which of course these heroes are getting down, but that's exactly why it's very good at
running down an SF. Is there a hero in the 5 position that will dissuade this aggression? Like
that's you know viable right now? Like does anything come to mind? Like if you're the off lane bat
writer with Brian could you do me a favor yeah can you see if that oven is on
and if it's set to 170 degrees sure so much 575 is it I thought it hundred
seven to 70 I we obviously didn't have any flower left to do it yet anyway
it's good yeah you don't need flour in the
they go they go for the tiny the Tuscan the Mars here like the two best heroes
I think to pair with bats that kill us have they get banned so I do believe it'll be like tiny bat rider in the
Offlane to try to punish us that but of course both of these years are very flexible. So it's not like
It's not like liquid is fully committed to that
I got really confused for a second because I saw the draft overlay had two separate teams and I just thought I did the
complete wrong
Like crap
No, we can now.
Okay.
Proper note.
So, Brian, you asked the question about a hero that dissuades this, and I was thinking,
like, clock is probably the best one.
I don't think it's the best, though.
I was thinking, like, a baton or something, maybe.
I'm pouring the tickets into the mold, guys.
I think that's a very good idea.
Oh, great, yeah, let's do it.
Yeah?
Yeah, right?
I think so.
Let's only read the paper.
And so, not a good idea to read the paper after he started.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But you're not wrong about that.
The operation's a bit off.
We did see Liquid flex the SF to a different position,
so I wonder if O.G. is capable of that too.
I think the wooden spoon that we were supposed to use
to mix things.
I've made do.
We may use the mixer.
Mended make do.
It's the English way.
By the way, I'm curious if Liquid has their eyes set
on Terriblea, because I know they've picked it in the past.
I had this idea that SF was like the most broken carry about a week or two ago
So I just looked up what are his worst matchups?
Mm-hmm, cuz I did not have beat it and his worst matchups are PL and terrible
He's 18 and four now in the tournament. I think was something ridiculous like yeah
Yeah, yeah, probably should ban this hero. I think hey, what do I know?
I got a wooden spoon there. I don't know if we need it now
for this
Abaddon hero that can like dispel and
and like protect against the Bat Rider that way.
Yeah, for whatever safe lane ever,
because I don't think OG is necessarily
fully committed to like SF safe lane.
Yeah, they definitely are not.
I mean, Oracle's a pretty good hero against Bat, just saying.
Is she unpickable?
They already have Warlock.
Yeah, I know, but I mean, like,
why is no one picking this Bat?
It's super popular.
I think it's the same idea as Oracle
where you have this like defensive hero in the safe lane
where you're the lane against the aggressive hero,
But Warlock is just a better hero currently in the meta than Oracle.
Yeah.
But it's the same concept, and also the same concept as Abaddon,
where you're just defensively, like, basically, like,
buzz-killing whatever aggression they have.
Right.
I'm going to pop the cake in the oven 30 minutes.
Yeah.
Do you want to start a timer?
Hey, Siri!
Oh, are you doing?
There's a timer on the...
Oh, is there?
Yeah, but it was, like, at, like, 45 minutes or something.
No, I'll do it on the thing.
What?
Grock is the Twitter AI.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
Is this on?
This is on.
It is going in.
All right.
It wasn't already at 175, right?
It had been like that since we got on the broadcast,
so I'm sorry.
I'm trusting that this is working.
At the timer for 30 minutes.
I don't know how to start it, but it's away it goes.
It is doing it.
I'm curious if this is a razor flex with Batrider,
because we did see a team like would do Batrider 5 in blast.
So there's a potential of them putting the batrider.
It's fine.
We have this covering specifically to like.
Be okay, but I had they did they considered our you know coordination. Yeah, I mean they saw me decorate the cake this morning
So they know what well? I also know that yesterday if we're this morning rather there's some egg left out like in the carpet
It's not a couple of yeah in a week or so. We're gonna we're gonna smell that. Yes. Think of egg
Wonderful, I appreciate you telling me now cuz I would have assumed it would have been Jenkins. Yeah, that's why
Sometimes I do wear that egg rotten egg perfume. It's all the rage these days. I do like these trousers by the way
Thank you. They're Japanese. They're very Japanese. Oh crap. They picked or oh my god. That is a genius. What can I say?
It's purges fatal bonds, which is really really nice. That's true
Yeah, we are discussing this yesterday about how
Largo being nice against warlock because he's got one he's one of the few heroes that has a purge
That's offensive and defensive. Mm-hmm, and or we are like, yeah oracles like the only other one
But nobody picks that and here we are. So apparently it's it's worth purging warlock
is what we're seeing do you think this is a little a little tip of a hat to insane
here as well yes it must have watched that they must have watched
Quinn's quiz and been like yeah I hear you I can I also feel like you have to
talk about when the hero gets picked the element of knowing where the runes are
that is so important especially when OG just picked up storm like there truly is
It's not a better hero in the game that wants to control runes at all points in the game.
And Liquid now has full access to where they're going to spawn.
So I would expect Liquid to pick another rune control mid, or I suppose actually both of
these cores that they have picked right now can also go mid and enjoy the runes.
This is just a quap game for Nisha.
It could be a void spirit game.
It's a good quap game.
Because that's what collapsed, and the answer was to pick in the void was as an answer to
storm was get axe and control storm but that's what he said in one of the
interviews so is that a thing I just don't believe in the voids
Anisha I've played Razormid quite a few times so there does it do anything I mean
I guess in lane it's very annoying for storm isn't it well I think right now if
you have an electric type versus an electric type you would want to counter it
maybe with like an earth type are you Pokemoning this draft yeah okay I mean
So maybe you put tiny bit tiny
He's he's lost a lot of games meant but he's an earth type. He is yesterday. He's very grounded. Why would you not very good?
Why would you not put water type against electricity? I mean that
That's backfire electricity beat water. Yeah, absolutely. I see did you not see the misty Jim thing you electrify all the water misty Jim
Yeah, I'm saying misty when she was the
Jim leader didn't she lose an electric the electric Pokemon shark is this season one of dream league? Yes
Yes. Probably around the same time, actually.
Oh, Misty Jim. Yes.
Oh, those are the days.
Whatever happened to Misty Jim, of course.
We got a couple of off-laners bound on the side of Team Liquid as Nico is looking for his hero.
They got a full minute think about it.
I feel like their draft looks very stable, very solid.
Is there anything in particular that we're lacking?
Or is that going to be the same very stable, very solid,
techy front-liner that we're looking for from there?
Yeah, I think that's what you need.
I'm thinking Underlord, but he doesn't really front line for you because he doesn't, like he's not at the forefront of fights.
No.
I mean, maybe like a Beastmaster or something?
I'll cast Centaur's out. A lot of the strong offlaners are banned already.
Yeah.
And Tidehunter fell off completely. I feel.
And Tidehunter's Razor can be a bit rough as well.
He obviously can't purge the static link.
What about for OG, might they think about, oh I was going to say Mars but he's been banned.
It's very far away.
I'll look at this screen.
I mean do you just...
I was going to say the problem is if you do pick something, that Oracle can just...
So they just go for, you know what, we're just going to be beefy.
It's a good call though because it's like the only strong offlaner left that does the things that you want in a draft right now.
Like the tanky beefy guy to run and get auras. I do think it really leaves you susceptible to Ursa
I think they're basically calling the bluff that like Ursa's unpickable here and maybe
They're basically saying we don't think you'll put razor against storm because it is electric type of electric type
So they're definitely thinking that yeah, so you don't want to do electric type against electric
That's what I'm saying is that they wouldn't pick Ursa here
Why wouldn't you go electric against electric because he'll be an even man because you have you have you have the option to counter
And generally electric is pretty resistant versus electric as well
You know how to handle your own electricity. You also know how to handle other people's electric
All right, so tiny made raise it off
Monkey say how about that?
I mean
It's similar it's similar to Ursa. I think it's more punishing in lane for underlord
I completely agree with everything you said Brian like I feel like
Liquid wins every lane now. You have tiny Batrider versus SF and I understand there's a clockwork
But that tiny is not actually that bad against clock. You can if clock goes in tiny can just toss him out of cogs
I feel like that's a winning lane made its razor versus storm which we did talk to electric versus electric
It's 50 50, but he has an Oracle. He's playing razor against a hero that wants room control
Will they be any bluffing from Nisha?
Like do you think that they'll purposely posture at bottom room for instance?
I don't even think they have to, because they can run the supports mid, maybe even Mikkei will go mid, he's very active on Monkey King, and he's going to have a good start too because he's against Underlord.
I think Razor vs. Storm mid can snowball for Razor if the early runes are controlled, and they have Oracle to do that.
I actually think Liquid really cooked with this draft by leaving the Flex open for the entire time, like four of their heroes. That was nice.
Yeah, I mean, I think that you have an interest we saw yesterday the monkey king kind of be like a trump card to heroes like warlock and underlord
Yes, trolling areas. I feel like we're seeing maybe they got inspired by that. It might be that kind of running back
They don't yesterday like we saw the team fights that monkey King like where one team had like complete area control
And then the monkey King wukong's was what kind of counter that and yeah, they have warlock
They have clock they have underlord a bunch of crap that goes on the ground
No, Brian you showed us beforehand that the games that they had before with each other. Yeah
stable steady even until minute 15 or you know mid mid game basically happened and then liquid
Got ahead with the amount of team fight and maybe even stability that O.G. Has in this game
Do you think that that will be a similar trajectory or did they fix it? I actually think they
Definitely addressed that period of the game like they have really strong mid game
I think that's one of the strongest mid game carries. They have the initiation from storm
They have the underlord who buys like the first big item by that point so they're strong again
I think that their first 25 minutes. I would get I would lean towards OG
I think if the map ever breaks down
Favors liquid to me. It's the lanes. I worry about for OGs
I think there's like a crazy amount of kill threat from liquid in the lanes
But after that, I do think OG has a really strong mid game
I agree sounds like we got a fun game ahead of us between these two teams
We're also got some fun tunes to play before the game starts. Let's head over to the clock
Welcome! Game number one between Team Liquid and OG. Here at DreamLeague, Sponsored by Wisp
Cinderin. That's a good song.
Being played in by the classic of Abba. You know it, you love it. It is gimme gimme gimme.
One of the best riffs of all time, but it's actually not on the guitar in the original.
It's on the keyboard, but it sounds really nice on the electric guitar. Good job.
It's great to see that you know something about something for once.
Yeah, that's why I've got to show it off.
You sure do, Senator.
I have to take this opportunity to be knowledgeable about something.
They don't come by very often.
This will be interesting though. This is a really important game, by the way.
We're reaching that point of the group stage now where we can start looking at standings
and really consider just how much is on the line.
Obviously, in these groups, top four advances, bottom four are knocked out.
out the current scores for these two squads are six and four for liquid and five and five for OG
so I think they'll be top three sender in they need at least a game here for your predictions to
start looking like that so not what I was expecting pretty pretty important stuff I'm
curious to see if the prediction of the panel is going to come true here I respectfully disagree
with tiny bat winning against clock as a I think that lane is going to be tough for them to win
It's possible. I think it's an outplay lane, not a theoretically favorite lane in my eyes for a tiny path.
But they are one of the few hero combinations that can kill SF, so that's already a good start for the side of the lane.
We get to see some cool heroes at least, Cinderan.
Well, first of all, Tofu playing the Oracle, don't get to see that all too often.
Nico playing the Underlord, which I attribute mostly to Ace,
who is playing the Bat Rider off-lane.
And, of course, we get to see a little of that shadow-fiend action
that we've been seeing throughout this tournament.
I'm not sick of it yet.
I'll just assume you're not either.
I just, you know, it's a fun hero to watch.
It's kind of boring to play against it all the time, but...
This is other people playing, so we can laugh at their misery.
That's right.
It's all good.
It's a big part of being a Dota enjoyer.
You're not a true Dota fan if you don't like seeing people suffer.
We haven't, I mean, maybe in the tournament as a whole, but not in our cast at least.
We haven't seen it flexed as like a mid lane spellcaster type.
You know that still a thingy thing that's potentially going to happen?
Or is it strictly just a right clicker right now?
I just think it's very hard to justify it.
Like, why would you flex the best safe lane carry in the game?
Like, it's so difficult for me to find a lane that beats SF plus strong 5.
So I just don't think you have any incentive.
It's also, it's a carry patch, right? It's a patch that's very good for safe laners.
So if your hero is already the best in that category, what's the value in putting it mid?
Yeah. Unless there's like some sort of solution that comes up later in the tournament that we
haven't seen yet where it's like, wow, this safe lane shadow fiend just can't play,
then I don't think we'll see it much. A big oracle fan myself, love seeing this.
I love that they returned Fate's Edict to its old self, where it now has the upside and downside simultaneously again.
So it both disarms and gives magic resist on both, or magic immunity rather, on both allies and enemies.
100% magic resistance, let's just use the correct terminology, we can still get disabled.
But this is still a worse version of the original Fate's Edict, because the cooldown is longer.
And I think the mana cost is also higher, yeah, it used to be 50, now it's 70.
So Oracle still gave him some thoughts, Sparrowgi. We lost some Oracle.
And how the dispel is looking this game. You got the pit, the fatal bond is the big one, I assume.
Yeah, Shadow Ward. You can see Scam is specifically playing around that.
He's trying to only use the Shadow Ward after Fortune's end has been used offensively.
That's when he gets his chance to heal.
Yeah, that's pretty much it, right? What else are you going to purge?
Nisha in the mid lane, 21-7 vs the 15-5 of Yopage's Storm. Can't be too surprised at this point.
Razor should be a bully in lane in a 1v1 with a low range hero.
Yeah, I think this matchup has changed a lot after Storm got Static's Slide as a facet.
Because beforehand, in order to get CS you had to melee the wave, and that's when Razor could link you.
So you have a much better time than you used to.
It's still good for Razor.
Nice bonds, nice cocks.
Yeah, Nisha able to walk out safely.
Tofu not going to be so lucky.
This is likely to be first blood, and yes, it goes to Tim's.
On the clock, he's going to take a static link, but you can see the shadow we're doing work.
And Nisha, he has to be a bit careful here.
His blood is fixed, he's baiting.
He's going to continue to right click.
He does pop this thing, and he lives on sub 15 HP.
That's very specific and correct.
i could have said sub twenty would have sounded better sorry about that
everybody apologies
it's technically correct if it was fourteen or less are you good
i actually didn't look i think it was exactly what i thought at nineteen
you got lucky
yeah it's okay though
my eyes are a little slow these days
other things in general
literally everywhere my body is slow
oh they missed the purge
bit of a swing and a miss there
that calls for an oil filipines immediately
Nisha, giving up a nice stack and has the level advantage, of course, right now in this mid lane.
One minute away from the power runes, we'll probably see another rotation from this, of course.
Nisha is really just taunting him with this low HP count at the moment.
I love that Yopash tries to last it with 11 damage.
Oh, electric vortex?
Oh!
That's another right click, will he miss?
Oh, he didn't, but still wasn't enough damage.
Yeah, raindrop.
Nisha has calculated everything, it seems.
Yeah, he only gives him that opportunity because he has raindropped him.
He knows he was going to.
Hey, that brings them back to base, but this is a pretty good time for Nisha to return to base for a refill since
on the Siege Creek wave, this is some a little bit of a detail on the mid-tech as we see the replay
Yeah, the 11-1
He was down to 10 HP
A really good time to retreat to base on mid is when you have a Siege Creek wave because it breaks the
It breaks the wave pushing right?
It takes so long for the wave to kill the siege that you get to go back to base return and not really lose anything and
And also Nisha will know where the rune is courtesy of his good friend very true tofu very true now
We don't get to see that too often
Now have we seen them fake that they are going there to fake out the other team
I can't really fake on the water rune some spend their on both sides
Oh, this is the six minute room. Yes, so this was the first one and he was there
So no he was not thinking I'm saying in general not this game
Gotta be more specific.
How do I need to be more specific?
I assume he kills off Ace in the top lane by the way while you were...
It's like the boy who cried wolf, you know. If you say dumb shit all the time,
I'm gonna assume that you don't know until you prove to me that you understand what you're saying.
And now that you've proven that, I don't know if we've seen them fake it in the past.
Thank you. You don't know. That's what I wanted to hear.
Seven-minute wisdom shrine. Did I say that right?
It's the truth.
By the way, next to him, he's gonna get a kill.
This would be two deaths in a row for him.
Inside of the cogs, and that's gonna be exactly the case.
Look at that Jenkins. Shadow fiends. Losing to tiny bat.
XD.
Okay, he's nothing.
He's gonna go for his wisdom shrine, but he's gonna get forced off, and that means OG can take it,
but Mikkei did get the other one.
Trading on opposite sides.
Oh, this is cool. Keep an eye on Monkey King.
I'm keeping an eye on Monkey King.
Keep looking.
He's gonna chase and there's a surprise coming
Who's it coming for me with the shadow raisin as well?
Oh
But he gets dispelled a great move from the Oracle as Mickey got it right after the global projectile
It was cool though. I'll give him the style points. Unfortunately. That doesn't really give you anything
It look cool. If it was a little faster
What have made a difference potentially? Yeah, maybe
I'm seeing the replay here on the ace kill, so it gets Cogged and no escape available and
just dies very easily.
It's not too big of a rough start.
Oh, I see why they showed the replay.
The Toss...
Boxy was tossing a range creep on top of Clock, but it got knocked back by the Cogs, since
range creeps have mana.
Ah.
It's a little bit of fun trivia for you, Shannon.
There's one hero in the game that can't be knocked back by Cogs.
Who's that?
I don't know.
It's Huskar, because he doesn't have a mana pool.
That's true.
Cogs do nothing to him.
I was just saying I don't know because I stopped listening to the question.
Yeah, this is why I question you because you don't you could have probably figured it out, but you're just not trying.
Yeah. Which one is this?
Is that balanced?
Great acting.
Am I pointing at Razor?
She got the clapping one out.
I mean, win rate based, Razor is more than balanced in this tournament so far.
He's not look great at all in terms of win loss.
True.
But is it balanced that Huskar can ignore Coggs? Absolutely not, because I like playing
clockwork and I hate Huskar with a passion, so that's not balanced indeed.
You only hate him because of the fast hit that...
Yeah, cauterize is not balanced.
Yeah, let's hear you go on a tangent about that.
It's like a bingo thing.
We need to mention cauterize every tournament, whether Huskar gets played or not.
It's like a contractual obligation of mine.
Somewhere out there, somebody is plastered with that game.
Boxing. On his Kine, one of his best heroes for sure.
Nisha, applying some pressure to this mid lane has a haste around.
He's desperately trying to get back into this game. His net worth is actually significantly better than Niko.
Yeah, that's the upside.
He's doing better than Underlord, but Underlord also got the counter picked harder.
He's leaning into Monkey King Oral. It's a very tough lane with the Warlock 4.
Warlock 4 as your friend. Technically, Warlock 5 is just swapped lanes with Skim, and I think
OG made the, without question, correct choice. And it's not an easy choice to make, per se.
You're not exactly happy as Warlock, laning into Oracle, because you know your spells
aren't good, but you had to give SF the right lane partner, so you could guarantee things
going better up top. So if it was SF Warlock, they might actually dive them with that tiny.
And then it's very different, but the clockwork is a wonderful bodyguard for Shadowfiend.
A good old pairing that used to be even cooler when you could deny cogs for souls.
Fates Edek Nalanisha, he got yet another rune thanks to Tofu.
Has it faked it yet, Sinner? That's the next level play.
That's a good question if they've ever done that since Fates Edek.
Diffusal will be the first item for Mikkei as drums are now in Ace's inventory.
That's kind of telling, isn't it?
That he's going to Diffusal?
Mikkei sometimes goes Battle Fury on Monkeking.
That's like the more hard carry style approach where you feel like you're gonna carry the game and you can just slow it down
This is him saying I need to play with tempo and our lineup has to work around the 15-20 minute mark
We're looking for fights
And I agree with that. I don't think monkey king
If you just go the farming route and you try to get six-plotted
Do you stand much of a chance against shadow team?
I'm not sure we'll see the first rock of the game with the electric vortex from yulepage as well getting bounced all the way around
Ace will tumble and the tier one will go as well
Right in the middle of the cogs you could call an ace in the whole shenan. Wow. That's good. Yeah, and you're really on point today
I am on fire
Like this warlock column that's currently taking the ancients. This is a nice stack that's starting to take that steal
Oh boy. That was bad writers game just vanishing
Yeah, between his fingers. Oh, it starts smells smells like cake in here. Oh, that's nice
That's nice. I hope I get a slice before they decorate it in the ruin. I inevitably
Just smell good. Do you like pound cake? Yeah. Yeah, it's nice
Did you pay attention to what they put in there? No, I don't think it was exactly a pound cake
It was probably pretty close
Do you know I've called the pound cake turn you like to pound it
That's...
No.
You should see me pound it.
12 minute rune.
Thank you so much for that.
It will be top mental image.
It is Arcane.
Nisha.
Doing a great job at running to where he knows the rune will be and securing it.
Yep, no faking yet.
But I'm sure it's coming.
So what's the deal with Nico?
What's happening here?
I mean, I know the Monkey King is a tough lane in general, but he hasn't died, so you think he had more farm than now?
I think this is pretty expected. I think he's playing par. This isn't outstanding, nor is it awful.
60 CS, minute 12. Of course, a big chunk of those are the jungle camps on the right-hand side.
You're just not going to look that impressive when you get counterpicked like this, but fortunately for him, he also doesn't really have to.
to Tim's analysis there to use the Wukong's command on the outskirts the
toss was not not what we're looking for here yeah sure that's the euphemism
tussling the monkey but didn't work that time
that was the full-on misplay from boxy he was trying to toss the clockwork in
place but not his friend instead a waste of time waste of rotation and waste of
resources
how often do you see liquid zero kills me at thirteen
that is a rare sight
down two k
that's ss lead over monkey king that's the cold
oh not three k okay well
uh... oh yeah the two supports are five hundred a head each
that's to me with his master madness dragon lance falcon blade he is
definitely off to a very good start it seems that there's no sure you don't
set by the way just saying. It seems there's two builds on SF right that people go it's
either this one or it's the one that has Yashakaya and Blink and then goes right click which
is I think we've mainly seen Watson do the hybrid build. I'm not the biggest fan of that
build I think it's a little bit more specific where you need to.
Thank you strike into the avatars, but there's the counter initiation
Oh, that's good ball bonds these liquid players are melting
Oh, gee in the right place at the right time dark rift as well or beams gate rather
That's a three for nothing and it's here one. My cat does get the rune though. He knew where that was
No rocket
Yo-Pak, this is bad.
I feel some more of this.
Hmm.
5k lead for OG.
Gracious.
They could well get their own wisdom at the very least.
They're getting nothing going their way and you're seeing this m-
This, honestly, to me, this feels a bit forced.
Like, this kill is not even really that close.
And, uh, three-man bonds and a nice hookshot just feels the deal immediately.
Connecting on Monkey King is the dream from Blockwork.
Nice and easy.
Yeah, it's concerning for Liquid, maybe it's getting into their heads a little bit while
we might actually make it out of group stage one in Dream League.
And that's when the pressure starts mounting on this team.
This is their worst tournament of the year, in general, and they're overperforming with
a six and four score, so...
Barely, that's time to...
Time to get down.
They're exactly fourth, I believe, right?
Oh, no, they're third.
They're currently third, yeah.
And OG is tied for fourth with Bevin.
Yeah, I think if Liquid lose out now and go 6 and 8, I don't think that's gonna cut it for 4th tiebreaker.
I think you have to win at least one game still.
I would think so.
Check out that box.
7 and 7.
Getting zipped on by Yopaj.
Yes.
Should get freebie.
So, do you continue to expand their lead?
And yeah, you're looking at the score correctly. Zero kills still.
Oh, there it is.
For Liquid.
Nice cast was cursed on Sen.
There we go.
They got him.
9 to 1 advantage.
On the board is Liquid.
Natsumi though is not happy about this. The hookshot will hit the Requiem as well.
Bean's Gate being used as Miki inside his Wukong's command.
Not able to get the right click on him. His tilt is actually the one to fall.
And Natsumi getting super low at the Purifying Flames and he gets his Death Requiem.
So some way, somehow Liquid turns this.
Gilpodge with the Soul Ring and Zip.
See if he can get away. He has basically no mana to speak of now.
We get inhibited and lassoed and another kill for Liquid, my goodness.
And this is why we pay BSJ the big bucks to mix eggs while talking.
Because that was his pregame analysis of OG vs Liquid in a nutshell.
It was the exact same thing that just happened again.
Save a buddy syndrome.
That was a dead warlock, that's it.
They just died the entire team trying to fight a lost fight.
The entire lead is gone.
Yeah, they lost 5k.
That is insane.
This is criminal.
Another kill for Liquid.
And now the net worth basically even now.
Yikes, look at that graph.
The Mariana trench, or if you like Italian food, the Marinara trench.
Dip into that right now.
A nice tomato-ish goodness.
Oh, that's from Community, when Troy enters the room of the pizza.
Wow, I got a show reference here. I got the music and the shows.
We just need a movie now.
Yeah, well, that's not going to get down.
So here's the replay. Let's take a look at the cost benefit here. Warlock is dead.
So what they were trying to do was get a caulk knockback on Nisha into the Shadowfeed Requiem, but they got the angle wrong.
And Shadowfiend just gets stuck in the whole Wukong's command for way too long.
And they get the full chase down.
And, yeah, again, what is worth remembering is this was by choice.
OG could have sacked their warlock, caught their losses, called it a day.
But instead, this high-risk place.
And it's also, Underlord came in with a fiendscape into Pathrider,
the hardest counter to the hero in the entire game, almost.
He just gave him a kill.
Not good for the side of OG who, unfortunately,
until that point had been playing a stellar game with basically no mistakes, their lanes went great,
they were approaching a strong mid-game timing, and now...
One thing is the state of the game, the other one is how do you feel?
You were up 9-0, you just bled six kills in a row.
Now it's about that mental fortitude and making rational decisions and not...
Getting ahead of yourself not panicking not overcompensating because the game isn't in a bad state still you're still looking fine
But you were looking great before it was looking like a beginning of a shellacking
Yeah, I was ready to give you like hey how many kills do you think liquid are gonna get this game?
And now I don't really
There's this bit though immediate route from tofu nice timing there this time
They're gonna try to engage, but it was half-assed now Niko is gonna die too probably inside the wu Kongs
They're gonna get the last though and I was you're gonna have to just get away with what they can
And this is a yet another example of where I think the very very top of the top let clockwork dine run and
You could tell from Oji's movements
You could like you could see the indecision in how their heroes were moving like they kept stutter stepping like are we fighting or we're not fighting
until somebody made the clear call and when that clear call came in Niko was
already way out of position so they could get another one eight in a row for
them what a what an interesting game to start our casting game you can see tofu
actually is 2200 is this gonna be a blink or something what's he's saving for
okay he just instantly buys a mech yeah and now a beat nobody in this game is
I'm going to buy Greaves here.
Ace was so poor just a few minutes ago.
Now he has boots of bearing and BKB about to be finished.
And this is a god-like BKB game.
There is so much magic damage that you're going to mitigate.
The only thing that pierces it is Golem and Hookshot,
and it's hard to hit better than it was Hookshot,
so realistically speaking, you're looking at the Golem only to try to break him.
And if he gets on top of Shadowfiend, that is just the dream fight.
You want to lasso SF into the Wukong's command.
If you manage to do that, you probably just win the fight there in that.
Oh gee.
I got their spells back up.
That's torment time. You've got more luck.
No, that's temp.
Scanning.
Ancient company.
Going for the Tormy, Tim.
You're gonna get the vision in time. You get the hook shot.
There's the fish!
Everybody's inside the cogs with the Wukong's command down to the fatal pods.
Doing absolute work.
Mickey just pounding on Yopaj able to zip away the already too dead for liquid
OG trying to reset potentially is Nisha chasing that zoom he gets the hurricane
piped on now Yopaj and company turning on Nisha instead so relatively healthy
though Kim's trying to connect on this but he's just getting inhibited meanwhile
Batrider just destroys Niko so two for two as the clockwork dies as fight
continues and it looks like liquid will come out on top double kill for Nisha I
I don't yeah, I was gonna say I don't think they can actually kill the tormentor though
Well, I really thought oh gee we're gonna win that fight
I'm surprised that shadow fiend didn't get to do more than that look at his pitiful 700 damage in that fight
Yeah, he was just completely isolated cast redlam and then he couldn't get in a good boxed out by the razor
But I would like to see the reason I feel like this shouldn't be theoretically possible for him to get mitigated this hard when bad
writer is fighting underlord I
don't really
Understand how that happens.
Yopage trying to poke and prod has to disengage. That's his monopool gone again.
Okay, let's have a look. Let's try to look at this from SF's perspective.
So this is a glorious initiation.
Golem could be a little closer, but it's all good to get the four-man bonds in the requiem.
What does Natsumi do now?
The requiem only hits one kill.
He gets boxed out. Does he not have Pyke ready here?
He definitely uses it at some point right here.
Yeah, okay.
We're actually all the cogs locking his own teammate in gets the hook shot. It's like fuck you scam
See ya I
Mean I would agree with that sentiment of scam called the mid fight
I'm dead guys, but you should go ahead and
Bleed out the entire this is also going to be torn. Oh
Boy, oh gee. What have you done? You know a couple of blunders here? It's
Expensive and eye of the storm makes this nice and easy all that minus armor, good damage.
Shard for tofu, reign of destiny.
Love it. Love that spell.
One of the coolest name spells in the game.
Warcraft 3, Cinderang.
Not close enough.
What?
Wargrain of Chaos.
No, the spell in Warcraft 3 is literally reign of destiny.
Who has the?
It was the Leshrac character, whatever his original name was.
Tranquility, you mean?
Yeah, something. It was like a rain...
It was basically the same.
The healing rain?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's called tranquility.
That's not almost rain of destiny.
It's basically the same thing.
It's a...
What are you talking about?
It's close. It's a rain of chaos.
Very similar.
Warcraft III is in the rain.
Very similar.
It also works.
That's where they got the idea.
Okay.
There we go.
Yeah, if you say so.
Just have the game designer mind going right now.
Yeah, definitely replaced your memory for that.
Well, good. Can't have.
Man, every time we look at Ace, he has a new item after such a horrific start.
He was only three to start this game.
And this is the most important dagger in the entire game
because he can just get on top of the Shadowfiend,
and he has his, he knows what to do.
So it's just a matter of getting the information.
Oh, that's a good point.
Okay, we'll come to command on the backliner, trying to take out the Oracle,
but finally the Golem comes in from Scam,
but OG in a lot of trouble, and that's been possible to BKB, able to get the Wreck Queen as well,
but everybody else on the Liquid side already have BKBs.
They've lost their tiny to start things out, it's going to buy back instantly though.
And that's the exit strategy for OG, cut your losses where you can, Niko dies,
Yopaj zips to the left, lane break into the right click is enough as a double kill for Ace,
three dead for OG, and I believe only one died with the buy back coming out from the Liquid.
That was not the exit plan though, because they didn't all do the same thing.
SF keep it out and Storm continue jumping in.
They are just not on the same page.
Again, this honestly, I thought this was going to go worse for them in the opening.
So this is a really good Rulkomstraman, double Avalanche.
They get the lasso onto SF, but he gets BKB off, pikes out, gets a nice requiem here.
This is honestly not looking all that bad.
You kill Tiny, you disengage off to the east.
You force Batrider out with SF and now he can TP out.
Now look at Yopash here.
It's exit time. Your SF left. What is this? He's not even remotely close to killing anyone. They're full HP
And he had faked 8 edict on the entire time
This is something that I feel like OG have in general very uncharacteristic
Okay, so I think in general their teamfight coordination and spell casting is one of the biggest strengths of this team
That's that's letting them down right now today. This is just their team fights
They execute the first few seconds well, and then it's like they don't really know what they're doing
That that fight is okay. It's corn leaves
Ages Nisha inside the cogs it's a full static link off though Tim's is Omega dead
And now Nisha with a ton of damage wants to put that to work, but
Unfortunately for him, this force of war has died.
That's not too bad, trading too far ages there.
Unless the ages were about to expire, actually lost track.
Oh, aish!
He gets tossed back, don't have the lock count, that's a long zip.
That's the ex- now we've seen the escape plan there.
That was an actual committed disengage.
Because there were no teammates around to bait him to keep fighting that time.
So 5K lead for Liquid, if you were here about five minutes ago, that was a 5K lead for OG.
Exaggeration of course
Close enough. Oh, the lead was 5k, but it was 10 minutes ago. Yeah, it's uh
Effectively liquid have gained 1,000 gold per minute over OG
Okay, not a good jump from blocks. He didn't connect, but they can't counter engage. Just a lasso
Nice pit to hold him in place, but it's not gonna matter in terms of saving the life of Tim's
It's like every time that lasso is up, Likwit can just get a pick-off.
Actually, it would have liked to see OG take that fight.
Ironically, because the clockwork was getting jumped in last month, that means you don't
have lasso for S up.
It was next to your tier 2 tower, and clockwork had buyback, so you can buyback hookshot in.
If the teammates respond there, you had a double damage as well, you had Dr. Underlord in the
fight.
I knew there was a play to be had, but now they're probably second-guessing themselves
a bit since the previous couple moves went awry, don't want to blunder any more, but
it's important to not get into a hole now where you're like, we can't fight. I think
if they get into that mindset, the game is half lost already, like we're so active,
still hunting. Every opportunity to find these OG members on the sidelines. You know, Pog
TP away though. It has to be KB now. Natsumi has the crystal list. How close is the data
list? He's going to have to hold that thought. He's going to pound into ace. It's enough
damage. Okay. Getting a little payback here for OG.
I mean the kills are starting to be quite valuable now when you've lost this minion
in a row. So it's a step in the right direction. And you know, you're looking at the lineup,
you know the potential is there. Like my concern here is not whether OG can win a fight, it's
whether they trip over their own legs. Their lineup is absolutely capable, they've drafted
and set things up properly. Just got to be on the same page, execute it correctly and
try to catch Liquid off guard, such as there, with that Batrider pick. That was nice. 28
and it wisdom has been claimed.
Nikkei stole theirs.
So, another initiation.
It's time for Foxy, right onto that clock for it.
Easy kill, Yopaj.
He's already out of mana.
It's a reason, right?
The usual blade is doing so much work.
Foxy BKB able to walk away.
Wrecking was gonna help his cause as well.
Underlord tossed up at the last moment.
Niko cannot get back home to where he came from.
Golem used just not Nikkei, but there's the false promise.
She'll be able to heal thanks to the Jingu.
Knight fall away for the SF and skimp.
Gonna beat his sacrifice.
The three dead for OG. Feels like these teamfights are not remotely close anymore.
Oh, I like that from Nisha. Do you see that detail? I guess that wasn't showing on program.
He was linking the Golem, and he kept attack canceling so he was draining more damage.
He was about to kill it, and he just spam-stop attack to drain more.
That's a funny little thing.
But yeah, not to sound like a broken record, but again, if we get a replay of that O.G.,
it's just... that fight was 20 seconds in, and then they go left, right?
It's still not coordinated.
Yopash goes in, so clock's dying here, that's one thing, look at the map position.
Warlock is really far away if you look at the minimap right now.
He has to walk all the way down here, they gate in Underlord, into three heroes with
no backup.
He immediately regressed into the stage.
Now Warlock, correct. This is just not the OG we're used to seeing, man.
I mean, thank God for not suing me that he makes the call to TP out, otherwise that's another wipe, almost.
I guess Yopash was always gonna live there, but, I mean, think about it from this perspective.
You just had one of the best power runes in the game on Storm.
Isn't that a, you know, go S4, smoke, and then Underlord gates in when you're dropping everything together?
Question of the last ten games again.
Oh, get a nice hook shot to get away this time.
Yeah, of course, that too.
He might actually need it in a moment if Mika chases.
Might want to go back in.
The last will reserve just for the shadow feed.
Natsumi's a lot of trouble.
Mika is there as well with the boundless strike.
And Natsumi does fall to Nisha.
And now Nisha feeling very confident in the face of OG.
Only two members alive.
Finally pops the BKB.
Oh, what a beast.
Oh, what a beast!
It's just melting! My goodness!
10-0 and 6 on this Razor.
Absolute beast!
And...
And the tossback into the foulless strike!
They have the connection and the damage beautifully done from Liquid.
That is a full team life.
They're in firm control of this game after being completely dumpstered early game.
Yeah, I was just gonna say, lest we forget, their first kill was at 16 minutes, I think.
It was 0-9.
Nice! So since minute 16, Liquid have gone 26 and 4.
Just out playing. There's no way about it. It takes two to tango. Liquid are playing great, OG are not playing at 100%.
And that can make for mid games like this where it leaves you wondering what could have been for OG if they hadn't dropped the ball those couple of times.
you're playing against the lead opposition you just can't make those
mistakes it's it's gonna cost you games like this and another one DJ Cal on the
time you cannot get away from boxy
17k lead yeah this is such a strange game yeah I'm trying to remember the
last time I've seen a game quite like this because typically when these games
games have these huge discrepancies in terms of highs and lows. It's mid-game or late-game
that did happen. Does it happen after like the 10 minute mark where they're already up
to 5K? I don't think I've, I haven't even last time I've seen anything like that.
Yeah, at the very least, if you have an early lead and you end up losing the game, it's
generally not in this extraordinary fashion where just nothing clicks. Because if you
have a bit more leeway when you have that early 5K advantage to make some mistakes, but
The size of the blunders has been pretty massive here.
Time for Tormentor in a few seconds, in the case of doing the dance.
That is a hideous costume anyway.
You don't like it?
No.
Well, I guess that doesn't mean you don't like it.
You just think it's hideous, but you like hideous things.
Not this hideous.
What's your least favorite cosmetic in the entire game?
Rude Mother.
Okay.
The realistic spider.
I think it doesn't fit the art style of the game whatsoever.
Yeah, that's why you love the one where centaur literally looks like a courier. Exactly. The courier is in the game
That is the art style of Dota. So yes, and I love that. All right, shut your mouth. Don't ever speak of that again
He's dead
No, not ace. No, I didn't specify who I thought it was implied
You did this to me early in the cast. Yeah, the difference is that I'm usually saying correct things
So I don't need to I don't have the burden of proof to show you that I'm right
You have the burden of proof to show me that I'm right. So you make all the rules
I see no interesting. It's just statistics. How very American of you?
It's just a matter of learning to know each other
Some people are just more likely to be right and some are more likely to be wrong
You are at one not one end of the scale Jenkins is at one end of the scale and you're somewhere in between
I'm an average human is what you're pretty much
Jenkins is absolutely an anomaly. We don't have to discuss that one
You're right sometimes, you've got that one right.
And you're the judge jury in execution, you get to decide what is right or wrong.
Another tossback from Foxy, other Zach, or OG.
You know what's right?
Foxy has been finding so many openings on this tiny bit.
I mean he's easily MVP for liquid.
Even though Nisha has completely gone off the rails 11 on 8.
I feel like most of the kills are because Foxy's jumping and tossing them back.
back. Yeah. I mean, he's nice. What's his best gear would you say? Oh, that's a tough
question. Foxy is like S tier on a handful. Tossed tiny. Tossed tiny for sure. Um, this
might be a last ditch effort for OG. Smoked up. I'm trying to think who I really would
love to see him on. Those are probably the two biggest for me. I think so too. There's
the first two that pop and yeah
you've been off the map for a while
he plays a bit of Nick too
but it's not that popular right now but it fits his play style so well
yeah there's gonna be some bias because Tusk and Tiny seem to always be in the
meta
yeah support
25k lead for liquid
kind of wild
have that mid lane
they can go for roche but probably just want to get
a pick off burst
always have to worry about the storm spirit
and clockwork stealing ages shenanigans
actually every single one of og heroes is really good in a fit
you have to group up for fatal bonds
I mean you have to try right? I don't think you give this one for free
But it's also at the same time very difficult to approach the pit against Tiny Tossback, Batrider and Wukong, but what are you, are you just gonna give it?
They have a vision now.
It's time for the next level play, just throw that gate and everybody go through the gate.
That would be hype.
Yeah, it would be very bad.
Wouldn't look that much different from all the other T5s we've seen in there.
That's just Tossback, Tossback, Tens is gonna be dead again, Hurricane Picon to the other side, Static Link's not gonna last that long this time for Nisha.
Oh, he has agonist scepter, unreal, and now Niche can do all the damage he wants.
4 dead, 4 OG, that's GG, 4 OG.
Liquid take game 1 in the dam.
But can only be described as a very interesting game.
I think my unique one.
My concern with this is, I don't think OG are going to be in a better position than this in the next game at 15 minutes.
It's hard to imagine getting a bigger lead than that against Liquid given the drafts that they just had.
So, I think it's pretty crystal clear for OG what you gotta work on for the next game.
Don't blame the drafts, don't blame individual players.
It was a team loss in my eyes, just miscommunication, not confident about what exactly they were trying to do in the moments,
and Liquid on the flipside just a complete contrast.
When they were going, they were in, and everybody did their job.
They played tighter, they had more numbers, and a clearer understanding.
So, yeah, that's, uh, all I got to say about that is on OG to improve Liquid.
Liquid could have absolutely done better too. Let's not forget, they got early game for them at a couple of mistakes, so...
No doubt they still cleaned up.
He ends the game 14-0, but of course, RNBP, which were the official people to elect these things.
Of course, Boxy, who went 0-0.
What an absolute beast.
Speaking of beast, let's talk to these weird guys.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
He got us good.
That's such a funny joke, Brian.
Yeah.
Anyway, how's your sex life?
Uh...
Good.
What a fantastic game that was.
From OG and Liquid.
Uh, Oracle Pick. How's that, how is that going for you?
It was as good as my sex life.
Really good.
I think it was actually a really good oracle pick.
I'm glad to hear that everything is going better for you because last we spoke, things
were going horrendously on your end.
They were rough for the first 15 minutes.
Right, 15.
That's a good joke.
But for Liquid, you were right.
You were right, you knew that in this matchup, 15 minutes in and for some reason OG just crumbles,
but what didn't happen in the way that I expected it to happen, where my deduction after the
fight, and of course this is in retrospect and obviously you can say things much easier
in retrospect, they should have gone on the Oracle.
But the team fight coordination just wasn't there.
How is that possible that that can break down, but only at the 15 minute mark?
I mean, I felt really confident going in that game because you said OG had a really strong lane.
Or Liquid had a really strong lanes. And OG had a really strong mid-game.
So when OG was crushing the lanes, I'm like,
Liquid's got this mid-game in the back.
And it was just, I felt very confident about my prediction from there.
You see that? Look at that. One more time.
I have the I have the power to do that. Wow. Yeah, that's quite powerful. Can I do it someone's
it? Yeah, go ahead touch my thing. Nice. That's how I was feeling when I said when I saw that
fight that like that was the guy that like got up to the bathroom came back a minute
later and oh geez losing after being up by 5k like I know we may I made the pre game analysis
and stuff, but in both those games OG was like up by 1k or down by 1k. Like it was a pretty close
even game up until that point. So this was almost more egregious than all the other examples.
I agree, I agree. And Ted was saying in the old green room back there, and I agree with the old man
that he likes to see when these teams are willing to pick a hero that's maybe not so popular,
because it's just a good game for it and you know in retrospect once again
watching this game it's like not only is Oracle sick because he's playing against
all magic damage and not great backline jump outside of the storm he's also
buffing up a monkey king who you get you give him time to get his jingu stacks
and then when he does get the jingu stacks he's basically satanic king when
he's Oracle because of the amplification of the healing so perfect Oracle pick for
liquid it's almost as if Insania is the ghost of Insania rest in peace he's still around
yeah absolutely rest in peace I think the biggest part about what you said like the
flip side of picking Oracle in a game on him he's an off meta hero that was really sick
that game I feel like what OG did was picked Underlord who's a meta hero who I don't think
It was good that game because the threat that Oracle instantly poses is, yeah, you do have
to go on this because OG had this ball strategy, right?
They had Storm Spirit ball lightning.
They had, I don't think they had any other balls, but they basically were going to walk
together with Storm's two balls.
With their balls.
Yeah, with their balls.
And Oracle just says, if you can't actually jump us meaningfully, then yeah, you can't
kill anybody.
And when you end the draft with an Underlord, it just feels really awkward, you know what
I mean?
And it's kind of hard to jump into Oracle with only a storm,
especially when he's the only one that has balls.
He's the only one that has the balls to jump the Oracle.
And you're playing against a Bat who's building aura items,
you know, Oracle who's building aura items,
who has the Guardian Greaves.
Like, you need, I feel like you need plus one.
You either need to be snowballing or plus one.
Maybe it could be SF.
Maybe this is a game that could have called for like,
the pure, like, half-matic...
The Kaya Yasha build?
Yeah, yeah, we're like, you're trying to set up the requiem and get in position where
you can actually use that to kill the Oracle.
Maybe that requires you to go like, Kaya Yasha, blink, to do that.
I don't know, it's an option.
Part of this is, like, I think there is, it is good to do analysis, but I really can
emphasize enough that this is not just an OG problem.
People have the save a buddy syndrome.
I feel like 80% of the games that I've been reviewing, like a large portion, have just
been one team getting initiated on to in the mid lane at some point, or taking a fight
in the mid lane, where they just, they could just not.
Like it's really that simple, just don't take the fight, like it looks disadvantageous
to you, you lost your warlock at the start, the game I showed from the previous day, their
win ranger got initiated on the start, and it's, I'm wondering what's going on, because
I don't think it's always been this way in Pro Dota, so, but it's not exclusive to
OG. So something's going on where teams either feel the need to take a fight, or maybe they
know at this stage if they lose map control that, you know, the Tormenter gets taken,
Roche gets taken, so maybe they feel like they have to take fights?
Sure. I don't know what's going on exactly.
Yeah, I agree. Oh, hi, Ben. I think that you have teams, like when they're playing at a
peak, like Spirit, for example, if you see peak Spirit, they're very good at just letting
one guy die, and then they farm the rest of the map, or they go for a play elsewhere.
And when the team is not playing at a peak, maybe they've lost the confidence, maybe they
don't have the gold lead that they had before because the meta shifted away from them, then
you see the save a buddy syndrome.
So there's an element of psychology there, I think, and there's also an element of playing
from behind or playing from even, like you don't want to lose the map control, just like
you said.
And in this meta, it definitely hurts a lot to lose map control.
If you lose Tormentor and you don't get some like Roastrade because you're already set
up there, the whole game can snowball from there.
Yeah, I guess my, if I'm thinking from like a team perspective, if I'm coaching them or
something and I'm like, it's easy to say, don't do this.
Like don't save a buddy syndrome, right?
But is the effective, this is what you should do instead.
Is it really just like confidence in your decisions?
Like what else you're doing on the, um, what else you're doing?
Talking like on the map like you know I'm saying like it's it's not as simple as don't do that
Like how do we what do you say to a team to prevent that?
From happening like what are they replaced it with what's like you said it's a psychology game?
Yeah, I guess I guess the question is like who's making the call in the first place?
Do to save the buddy
Or like do you think your call is even being made or is this just something that naturally happens?
Like people press their TPs without saying a word
Yeah, I it could be the fact that I always said don't take fights underneath towers that you haven't said
Where that you're not like if they go on Windranger we go in right like you don't haven't had the forethought or like the
Preparation for if this happens be ready like if Windranger gets initiated on to or Warlock dies
And that wasn't something you predicted like you said like if they go on Warlock here be ready
That bloody time!
It's sound, relax tonight I wanna be where the party's at
Well take your time to know you well No need to ask, tonight is our
I like to wake you up, move your thing I wanna see you do it some more
Ain't no words that kids cry Feeling like I'm over me
Cause I know it's time to dance While you gotta do some nice
So baby, tonight won't you get Into the groove
It's the perfect gal and I Can make your dreams come true
So come with me If you wanna make those girls behind
Let this party go, I can't do it, I can't do it
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight awake girl
Tonight, we fall in love, tonight, tonight is love
Dance, dance, dance tonight, dance tonight awake girl
What the fuck is this?
Tonight, tonight, tonight is love
Dance, dance, dance tonight, don't ever stop that house
It's like you fall in love
And I'll never stop loving you
So baby, for nine won't you get
There's a girl
It's a perfect kind of life
To make your dreams come true
So come with me
You wanna leave those kids behind
And let this party go on
And I know
I'm slow into you girl
Can you feel the ground slow into you?
Can you feel the groove stop music?
It's dance, dance night, it's night away
It's dance night, we fall up tonight as well
This, this, this night, this night away girl
This night we fall out tonight tonight
It's all over
This, this, this night, don't ever stop now
This night we fall out
Don't ever stop now
Just can't believe how cold it feels to have your land
Take it by too lonely a day
I can tell so many ways
I know for sure that you're the one that I've dreamed of
I'm waiting for the light of my life
Wishes do come true
It was a dream that turned us in
You'll never see me again
I hope someday that they won't stop saying love is pain
I just never knew that they did
Till never see you, till never see you
Guess my lucky star
Brought you to me, cause there you are
And like a shining light
Your love has let me see
A world of happiness
But even more than this
I realize a miracle of her, of me
I'm waiting for a lot of her to see
And I wish it's not a dream
I'm not afraid of the dream that you want to see
I'm waiting for you baby
I'm waiting for the sun to take the heat
Oh, yeah, I'm not a special but honest man
We've never, never moved, baby
To where we see the light
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Shit, I don't wanna do it, baby
To where we see the light
Liquid!
I never dreamed that this would ever end But here I am turning away every night
Welcome back you as in previous season 28 and we're in the middle of a series, OG vs Liquid.
Liquid took game 1 and it was basically according to the script.
Brian, we had a script, everybody stuck to it.
They followed it perfectly.
Right now, almost to the second, that was impressive, mate.
That was some bloody good analysis.
That might be some of the best pre-series analysis predictions I've ever seen.
Thank you, buddy. That means a lot.
Yeah.
He said that to me off-camera, too, and...
I did. I did. I did.
It's genuinely impressive.
Thank you.
That was something that you're looking for.
Hats off to OG. They performed.
I just... I wrote the script.
Yep, but they laid out the lines.
No, you are the extra sparkle.
For the people that only tuned in halfway through the game, for example, or maybe halfway through the drafts,
what did you say before series, and why are we praising you right now?
So what happened was I looked at OG vs Liquid, when Liquid 3-0'd them at Blast in the best of 5,
and I looked at the graphs from their games and then watched their clips back,
and they basically had, yeah, Groundhog Day in regards to the 15-minute mark of every game.
I think we have those graphs that we can pull up to show people, but what basically happened was a disaster
This is game one from
OG versus liquid just now we look at the 15-minute mark
Yeah, that about sums it up from then on out it gets worse and worse. Do we have the graphs from the other two games?
Yep, this is the 15-minute graph from
from the second game of
of Blast, and then we have the third graph.
That's actually the one from today.
Okay, so the first one was game one of Blast, but yeah, this one's even worse.
Yeah, because in this one, they had like an 80% advantage
according to, you know, Gaben, and you see that cliff
that happens right at 15 minutes. They could not have timed that better,
actually, so that was impressive, but the point is from there
It's not even like a bump in the road, it's just from there on out, it's completely liquid.
So I feel like OG just literally runs into a wall.
It's just, I'm wondering what's preventing them from bouncing back.
I'm also wondering, I agree with Cinder and Stake that he said during the cast, which
is like, OG is usually very good at teamfighting and this is one of their strengths, but they
just weren't, like he said it works against them, they just didn't teamfight well in this
game.
It's like almost like there's a mental health against Liquid.
Or Liquid is just that much better at teamfighting and not being like caught off guard by the
chaos that OG brings, that their teamfights versus OG look so much better.
Because I feel like OG fights other teams and like this doesn't happen, right?
Like their teamfighting looks good.
But maybe it's something Liquid has figured out against OG.
I feel like most teams, like when I looked at one of the replays from Blast, Liquid had
lost two heroes and OG still had five.
And a lot of teams would have backed off there on the side of Liquid because they'd be like,
oh, like, we're down two heroes, get out.
And the difference there is OG is like, oh, let's chase them.
Like, what are they doing sticking around?
But then Liquid turns with three heroes.
So I'm thinking like maybe OG is not giving credit where credits do.
Like if Liquid thought they should leave, they would leave.
Do you know what I'm saying?
It's interesting because I actually talked to Insani about this, I know there's a draft on the stream, I'll make one more point.
I talked to Insani about this and how Liquid plays, and that all of their players play to their own personal limit,
and that they kind of almost ignore formation. He said that this team is not a good formation team.
Like, they're not good at balling S5 and everyone plays around each other. Like, every individual will just go to their own limit
limit and expect everyone else to expect them to do that, which is why they can turn us
three confidently because they're not thinking about the heroes that are dead, they're thinking
about their own individual limits.
That's a really cool insight.
Do we need to cut this cake in half?
I think we might, we might need to do something, we have made a cake and the cake needs to
be decorated.
We get to make the cake and eat it too, is that the saying?
Well we make the cake, oh no, a little beef, I love.
We're meant to cut this in half.
We have to, because I'll be honest with you.
It didn't really rise.
Because they didn't use self-rising flour.
There's no self-raising flour to this, so it's just as flat as it ever was.
Production, can we just decorate as is?
Yeah, I don't think you can cut this in half at all.
That will be near impossible.
What we could do, is I do like the suggestion that you made off camera, Ted,
where we cut a little bit off the top first.
Two reasons.
We get to test out if it is nice,
because I do think if you're going to serve something to Twitch,
We need we have to know it's tasty if I take it there just straight across and you will know let me do this
Yeah, I'm down. I trust in you. I think you're the expert here if we just get rid of some of this
It's like a doctor for moving a mole. There it is. Here you go, sir. Mr. Jenkins
We'll get rid of that mole for you there. Oh, thank you, but I'm a Canadian doctor. Yeah, we don't have those
It's cake
I feel like I want the middle portion though.
Well you're not allowed to, we're going to ice it.
So that's better.
Excellent.
Okay I'll try some.
I think that's better.
You're telling me it's good.
Okay.
Oh it's very fluffy.
Okay.
Where is the icing?
It's very tasty.
So the previous panel got whipped cream that they could whip for ice.
Oh sure.
Oh here we go.
Yeah there it is.
This grade from Svenske Gordor.
Is it just whipped cream?
No, I say it's whipped cream.
It says...
It's just milk.
It's just cream.
We have to whip it.
It's whipped cream that you can whip up.
What else do we have?
No, it's no sugar.
What else do we have?
We have a bunch of different sprinkles.
Can I whip it?
real good we switch places because this one's plugged in over here what are these
oh we have some like the plants
by the way i want to say i really like tusk with lago because you throw the frogs
thomptown and then you shard them in yeah and then you try to get out of it and then you shard
them in these to run all the way around it's the same thing with like tusk plus uh underlord
i've been seeing people abuse that as well where you shard them so they're stuck in the the ring
for we got silver pearls we got two two forty topping which we already tasted as well it's really
tasty we need to decide what we're are the silver pearls like tasty or these
like actually in edible no you can eat them they're just very hard we got
coconut shavings random candy and chocolate
Christmas decoration this is specifically Christmas though this is
leftover from our Christmas house that's a good for like a decade I think so
if we if they did gaben we need to do something like very extreme to beat that
level of meme like gaben is a good thing to put on a cake okay we can do a
dota logo it's pretty boring it's a bit boring what I have it maybe this is
only funny for people that are Swedish and Canadian I feel like I need to add
sugar to this we're just gonna stay as a liquid no it will you will eventually
get it what about the curling the Canadian curling guy
oh there's the underlord we were cheating but you guys set it up and caught us
it's not fair hey bud get that camera out of here we try to catch his cheap
me oh that's a decent Canadian accent actually I mean you did live in New
York so there's a lot of very different place I want us to be aware there is a
A total of five raspberries only.
Yeah, we used a lot of the raspberries this morning.
Sorry.
Bad to cheating.
Sabotage once again.
Is there a knife that I can use to cut?
There's that plastic knife there.
And there's a button knife somewhere.
You're still doing the communion accent a little bit.
I personally like Marana as a hero.
We have the anime duo there, Marana plus Marci.
We do.
That's a strong duo.
You think you're an elastic dragon?
The other production one.
Yeah, you thought that would be funny.
That would be funny.
Invoker would work too. It's not ironically not a bad invoker or a DK game actually.
What is what is Klink's hate playing against?
PL and Terriblead.
Illusioneros, sure.
Puck.
Holy crap, she's 15 and 3? That's a crazy score line. I mean, I guess it's getting a pretty late pick.
Yeah, I feel like Puck is the type of hero where there's some arbitrary threshold where her win rate goes down.
He said she? Yeah. She's a they. A they. Where they, their win rate goes down because they're highly prioritized and accounted for in every second.
They as in like general heroes or they as in puck? Puck is the best. It is. Yeah, it is. Well, they is our one.
We can make the Dota map, but that will be closer to the Dota logo, sir.
Oh, that's a, I mean, that's a difficult one. If we can do it well, I will definitely win.
You can get green from the green of the, of the sprues.
There's also the leaves.
If I may, uh, evening crew, if I may, you don't think it's a little obvious?
Ice frog's a good idea.
Doing the dota map, you don't think it's a little on the nose?
Wait, what is on the nose?
It's just like, it's a dota, let's do the dota map.
I'm just saying, I'm thinking I'll throw the box.
Some people just suggested ice frog, I feel like that is a good one.
That is a good one.
But how do you make a frog? We don't have any blue or berries.
Blue? What kind of frogs? Oh, he is ice frog.
Sorry, sorry.
I knew it! The Horry Boss!
I mean we could make Largo!
Are you tasting? We could try these, Ryan!
I tried one, it's like...
It's not bad, it's basically like a sugar ball, I think.
Oh, this is satisfying and relaxing.
It's even better when you're doing it to do an analysis.
Are we... should we focus on that the cake is tasty?
No, Twitch Truck can't taste it, they can only see it.
How do you make an ice frog?
Wooo! Coconut fl-
Alright, alright. We top the cake with whipped cream once it's all stiffened up and nice and stuff.
I can't tell you.
And then we make nice tough tonnets, then we top it with coconut flakes, because that's very icy looking,
so then you've got the ice planes, and you can make multiple frogs out of, you know, one blueberry, being one frog.
That's maybe too small, or you-
No, no, no. Let's- we gotta do-
Or you make one big-
One big ice frog.
One big frog.
You can also, if you want to, if you are gonna be very creative, you squish the blueberries,
creating some blue...
Look at this.
Oh, that's gorgeous.
Careful.
I'm gonna tip it out and then you can spread it around.
Ryan, what do you think of us, Florida, our last pick here for OG?
Oh, never mind.
Well, there goes that.
There goes that.
Let's see how that goes.
Uh...
I mean, if it wasn't OG, I'd say just whip out a Huskar here and like, insta-win the whole
game.
He said whip.
Whip it out.
Do I want it to go over the edges or until the edges?
Um, so they are still around the sides, it's up to you whether you want to do that.
I don't think you'll want to because that just makes it look less like cake.
Okay.
And more like smurry.
Well, you're the boss.
I feel like your boy would climb out as tiny as bees.
I think we should put all this cream on.
Yeah, it's very sturdy so it's possible to climb.
Oh my god, that is creamy.
That is creamy and juicy right there.
I don't know if he wants all of it.
I think he wants all of it.
He will go onto my ice mountain.
Like the cake is flat but the icing.
Do you want to try some of that?
There's no way we're supposed to use all of that icing, right?
This is not icing. This is cream.
Very good.
There's no way we're supposed to use all of that cream, right?
Yep. We're meant to use every bit.
We got a tiny coming in.
Oh, that's good, Ted.
I love that.
Mmm.
Is there something more baller that he can pick mid?
Absolute last pick.
Ya boy. Ya boy.
I will say there's a bit of a downside to the way we're doing things here.
Yes.
Because...
Tell me more. I can't believe it.
a downside? Because, you know, with time, whipped cream will melt.
It will melt, but we only need to pass the judging. You've made a little mountain there.
Yes, yes, because it's going to be a frosty mountain with coconut flakes.
You're ready for the coconut flakes?
You know, we have a purpose-
We're going to put red chocolate over the top. But can I make a suggestion?
Yeah.
The chocolate is like earth.
If we put white on white, it's going to be hard to see. If we grate chocolate on there
and then put the white on top, you're going to see it.
Make an ice mountain.
Do you want to do this, Andrew?
Can I eat more whipped cream?
I can grade, I can grade for sure.
It's really, really pungent.
You want some whipped cream?
I'm good.
It's great, great all over the mouth.
Yeah, I can do that.
Just the top or all of it.
I know that Mira is watching this
just thinking, well done, Ted.
You've correctly sabotaged their effort.
I sure it looks great.
Try to keep it on the cake.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Put it on here.
Like 80% of the time.
You know what I'm saying?
Just grade it nice and carefully.
You want to critique my grading?
Mind your fingers.
My fingers are fine.
I'm dexterous.
Anyway, tiny last bit.
You don't like the heroes of mid. This is this is the opinion that I keep getting here here
Thrown around at this tournament, but I do feel like against pluck. I mean, it's a classic age-old counter
Like surely in this scenario. It's good. I
Like oh geez draft better better be honest if I was looking at like two teams where I didn't know who was playing what I'd pick
Oh geez drafts, but you know, I've got my eyes on what the hell am I going here? What is this?
Yeah, let me do some I've got my eyes on the 15-minute mark. That's all I gotta say
I think we all do at this point Brian. You've got us convinced
I I hope I just hope oh gee like give her relax if I was no G you know how I win this game if I'm oh gee
I spent a timer for 15 minutes, you know at this and then I just say hey guys. Let's have a check it
Don't fight. Let's not fight. Yeah, you know we've been going to the gym out four times this week
This is a setback. This is a setback. This is a relapse shoes
It's fine. I was gonna say that it doesn't matter to me if we win or lose I already won, you know
True you got to be on panel with Andrew and there you go. And I will say I know you like
OG draft better if you just look at the heroes overall, but if you don't
You see that there's a need shop up. That's why I'm excited for that and I can't wait to see that
I'm in the house. Sorry, not about I did
I'm sorry, let's go into game two here see whether OG can pick up the pace against Liquid over the cost
And OG bounce back after... well, what's an only
he described as a disastrous game number one at least past the 15 minute mark as we have talked
about ad nauseam to this point versus liquid who are feeling pretty confident because not only did
they win game one but they get some very familiar heroes we literally talked about last game how
boxy he has two heroes that we think of he played one in game one which was tiny he gets tusk and
And then, I think you and I both agree, best puck to ever live on planet Earth is Nisha.
Yeah, there's, uh, I think the thing that sets Nisha apart from me on Puck is what happens
after minute 30, because I think there's a lot of other Puck players that are, I would
say, equally good, or maybe even better in laning, and maybe in the early rotations.
But Nisha's game sense for getting the maximum value out of this hero in late game situations
This is unmatched. He's just incredibly good at drawing as much attention to himself as
possible without dying. So he's wasting enemy spells, he's wasting their time, he's playing
the map very well. And it's why I think a lot of pro players that play those heroes
would agree it's the same with Ember. These are the two heroes where he just does ridiculous
late game outplays. So for OG's sake, let's hope for them that this doesn't get to 50
minutes. That's one way to do it.
Yeah, and Mikkei will get it on his big bad Sven.
This hero is 1-6 in the tournament so far, so not a great win-loss on the Sven.
Heard some... I think in particular Quinn was a very big hater of mid-tiny.
See if he's gonna be right in this one as well, of course.
Why is that?
I think that part of the rationale for him was that you run out of damage.
Like your hero doesn't scale in the same fashion that certain other mids do.
So you're more team-dependent, nice response immediately there from team and gets a survey.
But it's onto the warlock rather than the Sven.
Yeah, I think that was his main concern, like Tiny's window of opportunity, he just thinks it's too small.
I don't mean I would agree, if it comes to late game I know who I'm picking between Tiny and Puck, like that's not even remotely close.
But I think knowing OG, that's not really the game plan anyway.
This team doesn't play for the one hour games.
It doesn't play for the 45 in the games.
OG like to win earlier than that.
They will not win earlier than that, but this type of...
Yeah, you've played a lot of Largo.
I know you don't play the three necessarily, but what is your favorite combo in lane?
Because Tusk does pretty dirty.
Yeah, I mean is there any downfall to their being or downside rather double melee?
Um, I think double melee lanes are good when they pose so much kill threat that it's hard to
harass them. So Tusk is one of the better ones. Like say you were playing with, I don't know what
would be a weaker four melee four for this that is still traditional. Let's say Spirit Breaker,
for example. I think that's a 10 times worse because that doesn't pose a kill threat really.
So, suddenly Largo is agressive on a lot more.
Oh, they get the arrow, but Shadow Ward is doing quite a bit of work right now.
They still got the Lotus, which is half the play there anyway, on their side.
And I'm happy to see Skam on Marana.
I think sometimes when things aren't going all that well,
just getting onto true comfort picks that you play that other teams don't run as much,
which ironically this is against Liquid where Tofu does play it,
but Skam is a very, very solid Marana player.
And once again, they have opted to swap his and Tim's lanes by default, running the ranged carry on that sumo.
They've done that a lot this tournament, playing Tim's with that sumo instead.
I think it's been a great recipe for success for them, is this melee 4 plus ranged carry lanes.
And it worked fine last game too, like their clock SF lane was going great.
It was never about the laning, that they had any issues.
As I say that, currently, Yopash is actually marginally losing the lane to Puck as Tiny.
Yep, pretty even.
Early on.
Well, a little bit surprising.
He's acting like he's way more denies, though.
Well, oh, is it because Nisha did not get the first blood or anything?
Did he buy more regen?
They split evenly in the bounties.
No, wait, they got three on Dyer, right?
This is slight advantage.
Anyway, it's nothing to write home about.
It's a 200 gold swing right now, so...
The bigger thing this time around is that Niko's getting a game much much better than
last time on Underwater.
This time it's a much easier lane, he's getting good farm.
His hero has some nice combos, Aero, it's great for Clinkz to play with Pit of Malice.
It's great to have multiple heroes that set each other up when you're playing with Tiny
and Marcy.
You can just, you're going to envision that OG have a lot of killer pairings and that's
always going to be a great way to play against heroes such as Puck when you can chain stun
in different fashion.
The challenge is to hit the first one.
After that, it only gets easier.
Foxy taking some harassing, as he tries to pull this wave for Ace.
Oh, this hurts!
So he can't back, Foxy does have snowball, looks like he'll be fine, just barely,
disposed of onto Ace, he's gonna have to use a frog stomp, just to try to get away.
He should be able to, but still.
Heavy damage taken at both lanners of the liquid side.
Do you think for Puck, Cinderan,
that they will just make that facet the default.
I don't even remember what the other one does anymore.
The waning rift one?
Yeah.
I think if they do, they need to nerf it drastically
to put other facets in that don't make this hero bust.
I mean, you can always nerf other things
like damage range, whatever.
I personally think curve ball lasts too long.
That's my main gripe with it.
I think it being able to change direction
and curve and whatnot is fine.
It's just the orcs just last so damn long
Yeah, you're getting two benefits where it should probably just be the one
Yeah, the fact that it lasts twice as long is kind of crazy, right?
You'll pause minute rune. No posh gets the invas will use it immediately
Coil expended though. So who was taken out by your project? They finally have division. Thanks to that century
A couple more right clicks will be enough, but actually a lot of them from Tim's and the Dispose, Yolpaj will live as a result.
Misha has to...or the way.
Excellent rotation from both fours.
Tim's and...
Look at that teamwork center. Where was that after the 15-minute mark in Game 1?
Well, in Game 1 it was still there at the 6-minute mark.
So let's get there first and see if they can keep it together.
True.
But once again, a solid early game from OG, nothing really...
Nothing to be worried about for now.
I think
The biggest difference between this game and game one is just that Nico has
Way more to give he's a thousand gold ahead of ace already
And that's going to be pretty interesting for the dynamic here. Let's see if we can place way out of this one
Probably not well like rebound and rebound away and skim has joined the party
Okay. Oh, there's the other world as well. Hello. Oh, there's a box go back
Well, that's probably just a misclick, because the hitbox on that is astronomically large.
It's very big.
But another successful play from OG, they also gate back, a nice little bonus here for
skim, can gate into picking up the Shrine of Wisdom for himself.
So that's also good for him.
What kind of build do you want to see on Niko this game?
Because I was thinking, I know that Ags doesn't come until later typically, but I feel like
it gets pucked, but this has to be good, right?
good I would definitely say pipe is mandatory you're playing against puck
you're playing against the fatal bonds Tusk has a lot of magic damage Largo
will go aggs because it's seemingly the only build of the tournament you can
buy on this hero in offline so that's a lot of AOE magic damage as well so I
want to see that and then beyond it I kind of like your axe idea I don't think
Crimson Guard is that good here he's not gonna go grieves because he has treads
So, Pybe Axe is nice, um, is there a Shiva's potential angle against Largo Warlock healing?
I don't know if that's good enough, so, let's see.
It is for now, gonna be the Pybe Q up, unsurprisingly.
Here one tower for OG, looks to be going their way, although Liquid trying to mount a bit of a defense.
Mikae with the Storm Hammer, Nisha making his way over as well.
And Alder got you trying to turn this around into ace, but inside the snowball he goes fatal bonds applied now
First to fall is Nico Natsumi
Regretting his decision coming up to the side. It's a one-for-one that definitely favor going to liquid
You'll watch this that's sharing key nothing they can do about that one. So they got like a liquid off
That's me will that's true arrowed not hitting but the toss is enough
So, for OG they get a big value kill. They're trying to go for more as Tim's with a little rebound with his dead body.
Not enough to find any additional kills yet.
They ace with yet another. Frogs stop, but that toss comes in from Yolpaj and a triple kill for the mid laner of OG.
Yeah, this is the hero I think about with Yolpaj being in his element. It's tiny, it's Ember.
So far so good. Can they get more here? Probably not.
still it's kind of weird to sit here and feel like wow oh jeer playing this
really well they're doing so much better than game one but they're actually
doing worse relative to liquid because a game one they were smashing them at
this earlier stage but I think this looks very healthy you could argue it's a
good sign that Natsumi is third on net worth for their team on clink's because
that means the others doing very well since he had a good leaning setup
Yopash 5-0 on Tiny. This is going to be a super quick blink.
See the replay from earlier.
Yeah, that shield rune getting licked off feels pretty bad for Yopash, but...
Didn't matter. They don't matter in the end.
And yeah, this, you know, Puck isn't that strong yet.
This is not Puck's strong timing.
Puck's strong timing is getting Witchblade and maxed out levels on illusory open winning
Rift.
So, credit to OG for being this fight hungry, because, like, this lineup isn't that strong
yet.
Now they have Golem, that's going to change things.
But Largo, of course, has shown limited interest in getting involved.
As a matter of fact, Ace hasn't even learned how to play the guitar yet at level 7.
Hmm.
It's, uh, I don't know how common this is.
I guess 33 does this sometimes as well if he's just farming, but Ace was showing up to the
fight, so.
And now he's going to run into several enemy heroes, Avatar, with the right clicks, but
Snowball's going to keep him alive for a little bit, fiendscape though, on the way.
It's like Yopatch is going to get taken out, that is a big kill for Liquid, and if Ace can
get away. That is a huge boon to them. Coil now from Nisha into the storm hammer. Even
the Sven has come to play. Natsumi takes the tumble. It's a 2 for 1 in Liquid's favor.
Rebound in the retreat, but now we have the god strength with the snowball to follow and
the tag team. This is going to be the third death for OG. Make it 4 as Liquid. Man oh
man. Turn this around big time.
That is a game-changing snowball, keeping Largo alive there, and setting up the fight
on those turns.
If I get a replay of that, I feel like this is a snap decision that you have to make in
the moment, and I totally understand Tim's mindset, but in hindsight, I think it's so
much better to rebound aggressively and kill Largo and play the fight from there.
Like, you're, you're unlikely to, I mean, that feels like this is also maybe a little
bit too harsh.
Like, are you going to make that replay?
But let's look at the replay here.
So, how low does he get here?
Okay, first of all, if they tossed him back to Clinkz, he would have died actually.
He wouldn't have been in snowball range. That's the first mistake from Yobash.
But then they're also jumping out with the Clinkz, so resetting position, that allows Ace to live.
Now they're gonna re-engage anyway, and now he gets coiled.
So the end result is the same heroes flying regardless, but you got fewer kills,
and another attempted rebound save, but the chase potential's there for days.
You're not getting away from Liquid's lineup.
they have well until now they didn't have it but now they're going to have the
larger speed song that the war cry orb and I sure it's in snowball you're not
so you got to be able to stand your ground commit what is happening thank
you so much okay that's a very pious and let's right there yeah leave him
hanging out this party deserves 2k lead for liquid that's alive that was a
live shot by the way
have a whole hotel camera
it's known to be a very animated guy just stands up and claps while watching
this is definitely looking healthy so it is
if the mid-tiny goes well
what is the
what's the biggest power spike for this year at what
time in the game, the items?
Um, I personally find him to be best relative to the field when he gets fast.
Avatar's level 4 and Galactic.
I think that's when you dwarf more or less every other hero for a bit and you want to get
some meaningful payoff. After that it gets trickier because what mid-tiny's will usually do is that
they will itemize utility. They'll buy like, ULs to stay alive or to have more chains done.
They'll buy something like octurine core just have their spells more frequently because it's hard to ramp them up
in other ways
I mean ultra late game tiny can be crazy with two toss charges with a low avalanche cooldown with
Octurine then you almost have avalanche every like three seconds
So that's a crazy power spike, but then again
Seemingly every mid hero has a power spike 25 right he is not going for a collector at all
Is that surprising at all? Is it because they lost at 5?
Like, is that more of a snowballing?
Hey, we're winning a bit. Let's win a little more.
I mean, this could also be me
being a little bit too caught up in what was popular like two weeks ago.
It feels like the Lactry has completely fallen out of favor in Pro.
And I think, you know, sometimes trends are right.
Sometimes maybe you're overreacting a little bit.
I could see it still being good.
When you have this good of a star, you can really snowball with it.
She buys another way.
Hell yeah. That guy's fucking cool.
Going Shiva is another way to amp your damage, but you don't have the best teammates for it.
It's okay with Firestorm, a bit of Starstorm damage, it's like okay, but he's probably
just looking at, I'm going to die to spam.
Well, welcome back from the pause.
Now the last arrow, Starstorm, goodbye.
Are Lekvik gonna try to do anything about this?
Now I hate to say this, but the way my mind just went to, if that were OG last game, they
would have just run in after Foxy died.
Yeah.
Liquid, wiser, and stay away.
So who's faking the rock?
Every Warlock's favorite animation cancel.
Oh, it's so nice when you just mash that.
If you have a cool song playing with a good bass, I'm just hitting that on the bass.
what type of music you could create with Largo, Warlock, there's great a lot of
stuff with just the two of them. The OD have the same sound or they get rid of that.
Wasn't there an animation cancel for Sanities at one point? I don't think
there is. Can you get drums of slom from Beastmaster? Drums of slom. There's
definitely another animation cancel sound effect. We need a hero that
place the keyboard. Well, there's plenty of taunts in the game that we could use as well.
When you mentioned O.D., I thought you were talking about the sound when he rolls up into
a dung beetle. Oh, that is a sound, yeah. But that's not really great for music, I think.
You can make anything music. That's true. As today's music will illustrate.
That's a very tumor statement. Impressive. Scan. It should get dusted, but has his leaps
at the ready link that are now for mckay
so echo saver mask and that is point
the kb will be next
with the which played
about five hundred from finishing blink of the zone
and the big-power spec of course
for ace is the active sector which is about a hundred fifty
and i think more than anything the the biggest
thing in this game is just
I think Liquid feels so comfortable when they draft like this that they're not on a timer.
They're like, we get to late game, we have Nisha Puck, we have this crazy Largo hero when it gets 3 or 4 items.
You don't even need to consider the issue if Sven potentially reaches a little bit of an issue with some matchups later.
Which I don't even think he does, like he's good against Clinks in late game.
Lots of armor, hits like a truck, and has mobility, so for OG, it's probably more a matter of when do we feel like we can press the issue and get something done.
I don't think they should be content with just farming for the next 10 minutes. They obviously want to fight for Tormentor, there's no doubt about that.
But look at the liquid line of a tormentor Largo with eggs warlock puck
Ice shards to block off the path and for cry
It's a godlike
Yeah, lineup and forming feels like all of it sets up so nicely for
Yet people yep
They just need a he needs to hit a couple of times and the clicks is dead and the OG's formation breaks apart if Natsumi dies
I don't think they have enough damage. So very very important
to keep him in the right place at the right time.
Nice smoke from Liquid, 18-minute rune about to spawn.
It is the Doctor. Coil is expended. Tiny's gonna be able to pick up the DD rune though,
but he's gonna pay the ultimate price, gets destroyed,
and now OG need to get the hell out. Rebound's gonna help them in that cause.
Nisha, they get Tim's inside this Jard, so they get that second kill.
kill. OG, we're certainly ready for that.
Take the mid tower as well. This is looking very healthy for the side of Liquid. All these
cooldowns will be available except the golem for the Torment.
Okay, well that was an easy one.
Hello.
Alright.
Yeah, so God Shrink is up, Corl is up, and obviously Largo spells always ready for Tormentor,
We haven't even talked about Croke of Genius yet, the damage we were reverbed with a Puck
Horse vet, they hit insanely hard with this Largo, so two very good friends to play in
a band with, I think Sven probably plays the drums.
Oh, Pit of Malice I think makes a sound, right?
You can animation cancel Pit of Malice, another sound, okay?
Yep, that's true.
He's going crimson by the way. He didn't really think that was needed.
Yeah, I'm not. I don't know. This feels a little bit too cookie-cutter, like, I just buy these items on Underlord because they're...
Osh. Opening. Snowball. Back into enemy lines. Ketamalus holds him in place. He's dead.
Okay, is that a Torm opening perhaps? They kill it fast. They have clanks with Desto.
No boxy up in 23 seconds so they can delay a bit then you won't have to buy back, not that he would anyway.
And yeah, liquid will smoke.
This would be a really good grab, but they need to get the hell out of here.
Oh yeah, they got this.
That's a fast kill.
Time to abort while they smoke to leave.
I love it.
He's taking the gate, it's probably not the call.
Wait, what?
Oh, he was only leashed.
Oh.
He's going to get stunned when he gets through the gate, but...
Still moving my shadow.
I think he's okay.
He's blank.
He's hiding.
Yeah.
Anti-pane.
Oh.
Wow.
Nice.
Okay, I thought that gating was going to backfire really hard that he was going to get caught
by stuns, but only Nisha was in range, and you can still take the gate when leashed.
However, Niko is going to...
Yo, Pange is here, though.
Storm Hammer is going to hit one.
Mckay getting kited a bit.
You can see the fatal bonds applied as Natsumi off the screen now.
Finally, the Sven gets to hit and it's Tim's actually misses there as Niko.
Gonna fly some pressure, gets a nice hit of Malus, but the firestorm as well.
Mickey does have to be careful.
Gonna get some life steal up as Ace.
Ooh, that arrow, if I wanna hit.
Not gonna get a hit, Mickey jumps back in onto the big fat underlord.
There's the golem coming out though and Mickey drops to the deck.
As Ace, running out of mana, so not gonna be too fast for too long, that Tumi will continue to chase, it seems.
You'll punch by him with the Avalanche, so OG with a beautiful fight.
I stand corrected, Chan. That was a VALUE, Crimson.
My concern with the item was that the window that it matters in is gonna be too small,
but when you pick it up and you immediately get the fight that you want the item for, that feels really good.
The damage block there easily saved at least Marci, maybe a secondary hero, and of course, at this point,
Let's say you could decide to buy the Crimson, with only the purpose of winning that fight, I would say it all repaid for itself.
Like that, that was enough.
Now you can't regret it anymore, even if it turns out to be weak for the future.
Oh my god! He actually dodged the arrow! It might cost him his life, though he really wants the Marana. He'll get him!
He should get away.
Did you just say it might cost him his life?
Have you not been watching this guy play this hero?
That was absurd.
He was always gonna kill the Marana with the last attack of John down there.
No question.
She'll have more faith, I suppose. Mikkei though, pines his way.
Oh, that would be a Mikkei!
That sumi is not enough damage.
Not quite.
It is quite a bit, though.
That war cry is really important here.
He needs that armor against Clanks.
LFB could be in the near future, so...
Not a thousand away.
But this is...
Like, if you look at the net worth distribution of this game,
this does not look that healthy for Sven in, like, a meta sense.
This hero is supposed to be ahead...
at this point by more than a thousand against clink so
back then under is caught now
that was kind of weird right?
that's crazy
serial farms like a beast when it's allowed to yes 10 cs per minute
on the under lords sitting at 216 only second to the spin
but he's on the slightly winning side in terms of you know the torment you fight
the fight we just saw so he's
had by the measliest of hundreds of gold
but it's good enough now once again for og
I think it's about keeping up momentum. Try to take advantage of the cool down on Golem,
and of course with the riding on the wall of Liquid are going to get significantly stronger soon.
You kind of want to keep them down if you can. Oh yeah. And this guy might just be kept down in a
moment. Boxy, oh he got away with it. Oh he didn't. Arrow. Nice cast for curse. Yep, it looked good for a
moment but got away with it and within literally 1.5 seconds he dies I'm not
fully at the end of the being right always you know I'm toward it though
everybody think that was one of the ones we could have called oh this is good
though going for the roast five-second arrow yeah it's not very contested so
oh gee finding the objective that they need yeah for sure now who do you put
this ages on. Is it Clinkz or is it Undalore? Like who's the carry here? Probably put it
on the Clinkz for safety. Yeah, I think it will. Oh, imagine.
Hey. So Nico, now that he has the Crimson and Pipe will be... he was changing his build
a lot, it will be the Agonist Scepter. So the global aspect to that fiend's gate.
It's good. I like it. Like you mentioned, interesting against Puck. I think it's also very good against a hero like Tusk.
Just to... you make a play and then you pit of Malice around it so it's harder for Tusk to access the play.
You can mess with Sven. And the dream, of course, is getting to a point where it's impactful enough to force a BKB on the Sven.
If you can use a pit of Malice globally just to do that, and then choose whether you go through the gate or not at any given time,
it'll be nice and maybe since you're going that you also get the glip here
is that? those pits are big yeah it's it's definitely good but depends if you
want to go more auras because AC maybe timing for liquid BKB on Sven octarene
on puck they are very strong Largo still has a bit of ways to go Ace is
actually very poor this game we haven't talked about that so much but he's on
The lower end of what we've seen from Largos. Oh boy from the South they come liquid
You're up to start to get the punch. That's gonna be a quick kill on to
Clink's in a lot of trouble it's all up to Mickey two shots and basically yes ages
That is the one life for him. Yo posh gets rebounded away clink's kind of isolated
But nobody next to him nice pit of malice on tip to they get the storm hammer another support bites the dust for OG
Yep, Yopaj does find his way to the grave though, so a double kill for Mikkei in the end might even be more as Niko gets stuck in between a rock and a tree, actually.
Triple kill for Mikkei, great fight for Liquid, a little bit of a weird segregation there.
The angle from the south kind of separated OG a bit.
Yeah, that was really well played from Liquid to find the initiation angle and the way they did.
Solo's the Marana and they see they catch a glimpse of clink and they just drop the rock on it instantly look at this play here
The golem up to the side that's to me his first life
He gets nothing done except just get a couple of shots out on the warlock
But the damage is already done here warlock on all his stuff off
They're looking nice and healthy, and they can just play to the beat of Largo. Okay. Okay. Okay. The other way we go
Yeah
All right, that's huge. The enemy triangle gets punished immediately 70 seconds of free reign now
This is interesting. He went BKB this early on clink, so we generally don't see this from that sumi, but feels like the overwhelming amount of stuns is
too big of an issue, so has to be able to protect himself. Now the problem is you're probably still screwed if Sven jumps you,
so that's something you have to deal with. Will we see a hurricane hike to try to counter that?
For sure. Yeah, you're definitely going to fight. And it will be an AC next for Nico, so we'll be going the
the extra aura, but this one turns you into a bit of a right clicker as well. Yeah, that's good.
It's a nice mix. Hybrid items, scam rather. Could use some skim milk after this.
Alright, I'm not going to comment any further on that.
I didn't know that. It doesn't mean anything.
Well, you'll figure it out.
What, is it like soy boy or something?
No, I'm not going to say that on broadcast, Sharon. You can talk to Jenkins after,
he can explain it. It's disgusting, therefore he knows it.
Okay.
Yep.
Or maybe I'm the weirdo.
I'm just a little innocent, you know?
I asked him my old age.
As we know.
Nisha.
Okay, being hounded here, but they don't have anything.
Oh, but he's orbed and blinked.
Yeah, he noticed Tim's movements.
He was starting to walk up the lane past the creep wave, and that's kind of a dead giveaway.
Either that or one of Clink's cosmetics showed because that's been a bug forever, but...
He's glowing a lot.
Mostly fixed.
So, this is what I was thinking in Underlord's position.
I like the AC and I like the Glypnir, but part of me feels like Hex is the best purchase,
because this game eventually is going to come down to Can You Kill Puck.
And I think an Underlord Hex could be an interesting way of dealing with it, potentially.
They could also try to get the Hex on Tiny, maybe after he gets his BKB completed here.
Isn't this the hex on Clink's standard as like one of the final items?
Yeah, the problem is I think if Clink gets that, I don't know if you have enough damage in the game.
Really after Daedalus you don't think so?
Like Quinn talked about, Tiny's damage is going to taper off later down the line.
So, Clink's ideal inventory I think is only having one defensive item, which he already has, this BKB.
And I'm not saying hex is a defensive item, it just doesn't give you damage.
So, I would like to see him deck out with full on damage and a pike, so you have pike
BKB, the pike is like hybrid, it's both damage and escape.
And then everything else is just kill target.
Perhaps we are seeing these cookie cutter builds from Clinkz, I feel like it's the same
build every game.
Is there no more orchid plays?
Because forcing early game that is, you should have buy like a yule or anything would have
been pretty valuable, you would think.
And Bloodthorn obviously scales really well.
Bloodthorn is good on the hero, but...
I think the problem with the Orcid is in this game you're playing against heals and save from the tusk,
so maybe you don't pose enough of a kill threat anyway.
And your logic is, we have so many stuns, I need to kill.
And Orcid doesn't deal, I mean it deals some damage, but not even remotely close to Deso, so you're delaying that timing.
And if you want to get Deso, you want to get it first item so it can start stacking, right?
If you're buying Orchid and then Deso Second, then too much of a delay, basically.
Yeah, I think you're just missing out on free damage.
There'll be a game for it. I'm not saying he's never good, but...
There you go.
Leaving away. Daytime now.
And a haste room for Yopatch.
And now let's bring the Firestorm to follow. Avalanche is dodged, though.
And Nikkei, to pop that up, they're going to pound into the flesh of Miko, he's dead already
for getting anything off.
Yopash likely to follow suit, no, able to get the distance away, but unfortunately for
OG the fight's already over and they've lost three.
Yeah, that's just ugly.
When you cast out that pit of Malice and you can't go on it and everybody just sells you,
almost died.
I saved his life.
It's just...
Did he get any of his orders off?
Or is he just stunned? No, he didn't get pipe or crimson off, he just died.
Sven is one of the best heroes against the Underlord at this stage of the game
because you are one of the few heroes that poses enough of an overkill threat
that the, exactly what you said, the Auras don't even get to play.
Okay, okay, let's repeat, but there is the save again from the God himself,
but you can see the dead kill here right now.
There's nothing to stop at.
Here comes Nisha.
Nisha gets away though.
And Nisha coming to save the day.
I thought that was the one necessary from that day.
Hi, the half-suit.
Yopaj dies though as well.
There's the punch, and this is going to be an absolute death for this plane.
If you guys like to kill Tims as well, here he is.
So they did get the Sven, but it cost them dearly.
Yeah. After seeing that fight, I think Oji should be happy they got the Sven.
I don't even think Mika needed to do that.
Nisha with an Octorine is going to kill those two heroes on his own.
He didn't need the help.
Just a little bit too cute, perhaps, from the Sven, but...
I've got a bit of a buffer here.
There's no way about it, Liquid are just playing better than OG today in the mid-game portion.
And they will claim themselves a nice snack on Northwest.
One thing that happened in the previous fight, when Niko died right away without getting anything off,
one thing that feels bad with Underloar when you get aggs is you front-line.
Like, you want to initiate globally, right?
Because otherwise it's hard to use your ult in a fight.
And we see the second part of that engagement.
So, okay, am I...
Am I dumb for thinking you should toss this Sven onto Natsumi?
You are dumb, yeah.
Like, okay, let's try to separate this into two questions.
Okay? Am I dumb? Yes. Should we toss
this Sven onto Klinkz in this situation?
I'm not saying in general. If you toss Sven onto Klinkz and he pops God's drink and kills you,
it's a different story, but Sven had no God's drink and no BKB.
And if you toss them to the clink, I think maybe doesn't get Tusk saved there
It's happened twice now in this game that Tusk gets snowballs off on heroes that get tossed in place instead of back
Now it's possible boxy still gets to pick him up, but I feel you should maybe play for it regardless
Okay, a little bit of an opening on Sonisha, but who's opening on who?
Yeah, I don't think that's an opening. Although that's still me guess what?
The damage from Mickey is unbelievable and they do take out the clink
Yo, Pogch, what's next on the menu, but it's going to be a buyback now onto Marcy and
Ten of Malice, but the lick for Mickey feeling nice and juicy himself.
Yeah, I might call him Licky.
He's in again.
Storm Hammer.
He's out again.
A lot of jumping all over the place, but nothing is a problem for Licky.
He's going to take the tower.
Why are the stupidest jokes the funniest for me?
Yeah, it's because you're so innocent.
You don't get the other ones.
I guess. I have to ask you after the broadcast, you're talking about it.
It's too stupid, I'm not even gonna tell you.
It's something on 4chan, probably.
No, don't you dare!
You mentioned Jenkins, so I just...
Oh, that's fair, but no, that was not the reason.
Another one.
It's not even worth thinking about, honestly.
My liquid had ballooned this to a 12k lead.
And now the puck, Mr. Nisha, up towards the top of the net worth as well.
Oh, hello. Double leap.
But is that going to save you from the Fairy Dragon? I don't think so.
Well, Nisha is the way you're meant to be.
They used all the Ores though. They get him out.
But that's a nice moment of opportunity now for Liquid. All Ores for it.
Oh, they're actually going to want to fight here. Golem is dropping right here.
The shield road is licked and he is dead.
Oh.
Death to licking.
What a way to go, though.
Niko stuck inside the shards.
No one wants to come for him, though, even though he's
used all his oras.
You get a D ward on to the high ground,
but liquid not going to be too bothered here.
There's a Roche coming their way.
Well, actually, he's going to cross the river,
but there will have the doctor.
Who's going to be the doctor, though?
Is it Dr. Nisha or Dr. Mickey?
Two good doctors.
It will be- they're fighting over it.
Never mind, they're not fighting over it.
Okay, this is ambitious.
They have shards.
Yeah, and frog stalk.
Okay, and that'll work.
I feel like when it turns night like that, Roche should just do like a 360 with his tail.
the pit just gets thrown out. Just for fun.
Alright, good start. Like, um, if there are people in this pit, he just digs underground.
Like a...
It becomes like the biggest Earthworm you'll ever see. He starts tunneling under the map,
and then when he's away from heroes, he emerges.
Another free one for Valve?
Yeah, that doesn't sound like Dune at all.
It's a movie reference, so I don't get it.
I know you saw that one.
Well, you're five.
I almost cost, you know, frustration.
How's...
Okay, keep it up.
Ooh, that's tough, actually, to hold back.
That's real tough.
How have you not...
That is unreal, actually.
Thank you.
Jesus.
I love to impress.
God, that is so pathetic.
Daedalus.
Pathetic.
It's a word to use for that.
I mean, not seeing one of the best...
I haven't watched a movie you are, but...
It's like not watching Lord of the Rings, almost.
It's like modern day Lord of the Rings.
It's very close.
That's quite a statement.
Nisha, under the high ground, the jump in from Mikkei wants to focus the underlord.
He's still holding the damage on Mikkei.
He's on the line.
Force that to safety.
He will survive.
Got to turn tail and run on that one.
Very precarious.
If Clinkz gets to stand in the artillery...
On to Nisha, and that is going to be the death of Niko.
76 he does have buyback though
Does he want to use it is the question and
Misha is front-lining because he has that a just intact and he has Largo playing the song of healing the good old island elixir
Feel live forever
Link give this up. No, they're gonna go for it
It's probably gonna be the buyback as well nice avatars with the pit of malice with the fiends cake agonist after boxing kind of isolated
From his king Nico was trying to right-click on the outskirts, but you're gonna try to focus the Nisha fuck
But he does have the ages. Oh, that's a good thing. Oh, no
Heroes stick to anything. It's all bonds. They have to back away now. Surely. Oh, Nico. This would be a dieback for him
He gets read that
There's a foil on the three
Oh that damage
Yo Pa's gonna die in his own fountain double kill for Nisha three dead for OG
And they're just playing with their food now. Why is a ghost scepter to be able to get into that fountain stemmed the last remaining member and
Liquid lose and not nothing at all. GG's called Liquid 2-0. Damn
What a performance. They are just I mean, I think they're like it's really good
Especially knowing their players like getting this clean of a pop game for Anisha and then these heroes to play around with
just a stellar performance from Anisha ends the game 13-1 and 16 and only a
30 I think boxy just put liquid yep he's done man I have
I'm out of here yeah I think he's basically saying I'll take off my Jersey
and Anisha can 4v5 next game don't even need me boys joke to side he played a
great test game I think everybody on liquid side had a solid performance the
The quietest probably ace.
He didn't have to do all that much.
He was slightly under farmed from the top ladies' base.
I mean, he did fit at the low ground of the base,
Senor, and sang songs for them.
That's true. I mean, that is, at the end of the day,
that is the role of the bard.
It's morale booster. You never really get the props.
He did the least amount of damage on a team,
but he did the most damage in our hearts.
Whatever the hell that.
That's very deep.
Yeah, like the sandworms go in Doom.
Let's go to Sheaver. Have you seen Doom, Sheaver?
Do you sing Dune, Sheeper?
Do.
Yes, I did, actually.
Good job.
Ah!
Very good.
Uh, we have, uh, so I can give you here by eight, I will say, they didn't follow the
exact script this time round, but they, they laid it down.
By who, Sheeper?
By what team?
OG didn't follow the script.
No, no, but what team beat OG?
Oh, Lick, quid.
They didn't.
Largo.
There you go.
That's good.
That's the great jokes we come up with in the green room guys, we're here all day, don't worry about it.
Liquid,
Lickay, Lickay, Lickay Natsumi right now.
Uh, honestly, OG gave up a lot of space between 15 to 20 minutes,
and I was almost like, I'm proud of you guys for just not doing anything.
And then they actually hit a timer where they got a kill, I believe on, uh,
I think on like a tusk or something, and then they turned that into the 20 minute tormentor,
And then they were ahead by two or three K at twenty two minutes
And I feel like then from then on out we saw the script play out where it just seemed like every fight went towards liquid
And this wasn't as much about like og taking the advice fights. I think just liquids approach to these fights was really
They do play very well. Yeah, I changed these whiskers a little bit said um, I tried my best, but please
What about these as liquid I was thinking about these as whiskers. No, cuz that we use that
the mouth
Guys, we we want to get out for our cake. We thought you know switch it got a vote
We got to do something that the internet likes but can't explain the whole the whole story
Yeah, what about these leaves as whiskers? So we'll get back to liquid in in one quick second
Especially because we got an interview coming up. We'll look back to them
We couldn't decide on what we wanted to do somebody wanted to do volcano. I wanted to ice frog
Sheaver brought up. What did you want to do? I forgot I want to mountain you want to do mountain
So we turned it into an ice-bar, we had an ice-bar, and that's really cute.
Cat volcano mountain.
That's what we've come up with as a combination of the things everyone wanted.
Right, that's a winner right there.
Because we do democracy here.
Yeah.
And who also looked like they had a bit of a democratic system there was-
Let's not make this political.
Liquid.
Everyone applying of course to their own strength.
Oh man.
I love leaning into shot.
Did you see I did that earlier when I when I threw to the cast as I just stood up straight
In sprinkles gobble that up gobble that down. Yeah, look what it's like back you're in shock. God damn. Sorry Jenkins
It's okay. What's that? What did you want to say Jenkins?
Interrupted you three times just winning the fight
I mean, I agree with what Brian said in the agreement which was that you actually
didn't like that OG didn't fight at 15 minutes there that they avoided the 15
minute fight because liquid was able to hit their timings I mean late game puck
we saw in the in the second to last team fight how much how much damage just a
puck was doing because this one is the best one
I don't know what the fuck I was you say they should have taken the fight of 15
one second zoom in no you're good good this is for my doctor now you're good
yeah can we take a picture for his next appointment where can I get where can I
take it from brother trust me and maybe in the back good I think the back no
It has something to lose.
That's just a scalp.
That's just a piloting.
You're fine.
Trust me.
I've been asked by pretty much every member of every male member
of the talent has come to me at some point said,
how's it looking up there, Flex?
What do you think?
Is it time?
Can you check down there for me?
I can have a look down there.
Again, I will check down there.
Nothing's changed.
What would it be time for?
I don't even want to know.
Let's actually focus on the game because they did play it very well.
Very smooth.
Yeah.
Team Liquid.
We are losing it.
You are not losing it though.
You are not losing it.
You are a supple young boy but it all goes downhill.
I will say told you guys told you so.
Nisha punk. Well, actually was it MVP or was it what are they some the on the Largo? They did first pick Largo and I did feel like
OG could have tried to counter it
They probably had a plan against it because they didn't they did ban it in game one
So they let it through and came to how to plan against it. I didn't see it. I mean, I think the clinks
We saw a draw earlier on the tournament not because of like the hill reduction
But just some hero that actually dishes out a lot of meaningful single target in like beat it in lane. Yeah
Yeah, but some of you did win his lane, of course, as usual, even when he was playing in the off lane,
there's now 5 tofu. Hello.
Hey guys.
I got some Dota related questions for you in this game, in pretty much every game.
There's a big fight around the Tormentor, and I know that Liquid is a very kind of flowy team.
You're not always following a flow chart.
You're just, you're just doing what you want.
And I want to know how important is that tormentor?
Like, do you have to go fight that thing
or can you take a roast trade?
How much are you guys thinking
about the 20 minute mark in these games?
I mean, it's pretty much important to every game.
It's just one of those objectives you want to play for.
If it's that important,
I think if you can feel that you're at a disadvantage
Or sometimes you're not in position on the map at the right time, or the enemy has the area controlled already.
It's fine to dodge. Most of the time everyone bites it, if you can trade for pushing out the other waves.
Establishing control or getting a rush out of it can be worth also.
I think most teams though want to fight and it is an objective that just brings both teams together to actively look for something to fight for.
Like I think we don't like if enemies dodge us, so we are really happy that the tournament
was there, so we can go run and take a fight.
Okay, so I've got another high-level question for you because we have, of course, Insania,
so he's revealing a lot of liquid insights to us, and he said to me that liquid was not
really a formation team.
in fights, they sometimes had to draft not to, you know, stay together as five, because
every player plays to their own personal limits, like Boxie will just keep chasing,
Nisha will keep chasing.
But Gaiman, from where you're from, you guys were a formation team.
So I guess my question is, would you say that you guys are like a team fighting formation
team right now with the addition of you and Ace?
Somewhat more or less, it depends a bit on our heroes, but I think generally I can say
there was a period like a month ago, I'm doing the interview, where we tried a lot of turrets,
basically every game I'm playing was 5 melee with a ranged turret and we tried to
I don't know play as all formation teamfights everyone has their role there's like jumper
safe teamfight and we were struggling with that a bit like we got a lot better but initially we
had big problems with that where I think it wasn't like in our nature to play like that
Like I think we got a lot better, but yeah, we were struggling with formation some I think what made it easy for us like
In previous teams was like auras worse. Like it's very natural. You want to hug each other closely. Yeah, and people don't die
Right now. There's a lot of crimson and pipe in games, but like it's not as
Dominant like obviously in position matters. It's not like we're bad at it now
But things used to be a bit simpler
Okay, thank you for the insight. Can you ask one more question to Will and see if he's booked the Airbnb yet?
Just ask him if he's gotten the Airbnb
Yo Will, did you book the Airbnb?
Yeah, I hear him. Okay. Thank you. That was just for me personally. Tof was amazing to have you here
I'm sure we'll see you again
Congratulations on all the latest success, and we'll see you in the future. Thank you so much
All right, thank you guys and purge has a wonderful
Okay, oh yeah
Stegment for us. You guys can keep cooking the cake here. You're doing to it. Is he cool? Hello? I mean we can scoop it off. Hello
Hello!
What's up everybody?
Hello!
Yes!
Thank you.
What guys?
We've been on a disco set for a whole week and I think we haven't been talking enough about disco.
So I brought some disco facts, a little quiz so to speak, for the disco lovers out there so we can understand disco a little bit better.
Oh!
Send!
This guy doesn't even probably listen to music.
Anyways, let's get it started.
First question!
What decade did disco begin in the United States? Please write your answers
We don't have a lot of time so we're gonna go pretty quick through this one
I'm gonna give you guys five seconds to do your best guess feel free to talk
No, I know the answer
Yes, that's why there are so white for it exactly yes, he just wants he just wants to hear the hubbub
I know you guys all probably wrote the same thing. All right. I hope you're ready. Get ready release your answers, please
What are we on?
Oh, it's for B.
B?
The real answer is B, the 19th, 16th.
Oh, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
It was the way the genre that's going to define the decade starts in the previous decade.
Exactly, correct.
Got very popular in the 70s, too.
I wrote a very small letter at a point.
Who got it correct?
For the scoreboard.
Cheever did.
Just Cheever.
Okay.
Good job, Cheever.
All right, next question.
Oh, sorry.
Fun fact about that.
on the moon. Probably the same decade that Ted was born. Alright moving on. For how many
hours a day did John Travolta dance for to prepare for the movie Saturday Night Fever,
a very famous disco movie. Preparing for the movie. You can't tell by the way out here
is my mom. That's the mean one right? No it's in the movie. That movie is actually people
only remember the disco. It's a filthy dirty movie. There's a lot of shagging in it. Good
for them. What two adults, what two consenting adults want to do on a dance floor is up to
them. Alright ready for the answers please reveal your answers. The answer is B3 hour.
You can't dance for that long it takes a lot of cardio that's why you know what I have
a fun fact casual disco dancing for three hours would burn around 800 calories. That's
That's about a cheeseburger.
Well, it depends on what kind of...
It's a Swedish cheeseburger.
Is it a quarter pounder or a third pounder?
All right, new question, please.
You're asking a bunch of Europeans.
Which disco group features the brothers, Barry, Robin, and Maurice?
Maurice?
Wait, how is this third bigger than a quarter?
Can we move on, please?
Stay on topic.
What are you talking about?
Oh, God.
We have the Bee Gees, the village people, cool in the game.
I don't know, man.
This is the easiest one.
Thanks, Kev.
I have no idea.
Alright, I need you guys to walk in your final answers. What do you have?
I got A.
I also got A.
I don't know. I put D.
That's an anarchist.
The correct answer is the BG.
Yeah.
Can anyone make a famous song?
Yeah, the BG's.
I put BG's.
Can anyone make a famous BG's song?
You get me every time, Andrew. You're too good.
Anybody.
Can anyone hear me?
I know them, but I have no idea about the names.
Staying alive?
Staying alive.
I know something that I was just saying.
Staying.
That's wonderful.
Alright.
Let's keep on moving. All right, this is a very Eurocentric on what year did Abba win Eurovision?
No, that's no story, Sweden. Uh, I'm gonna get this wrong.
No, wait, what was it your first year?
I was a baby. I might have even been on the live at this point. I don't know what year it was.
I didn't even know Eurovision was working in this country.
Yeah, hell yeah!
All right, would you guys like a fun fact about this?
Yeah, okay.
Eurovision in that year was held in Brighton, in the UK.
Oh, you should know this, Pat.
It was on Ted's birthday for sure.
All right, let's reveal your answers, what you guys got?
B, D, I want for B.
The answer is B, 19-7.
No!
I think I saw that in a YouTube title.
Oh, YouTube!
Yeah, I saw that on the YouTube.
We have a reverse 3-2.
We're going here guys, reverse 3-2-2.
Oh, we're catching up to Sheave.
That's good.
All right, next question.
Good job, Brian.
Thank you.
What year was the disco ball invented?
What?
What do you mean?
It was the wheel.
It's a circle.
But who put mirrors onto it in the first time and then patented it?
Someone patented it at disco ball?
Why wouldn't he? It's an invention of the century.
You just got made fun of a little bit.
Why, what happened?
First they showed the disco ball and then they showed the top view of your head.
Can you tell Brian?
Wait, wait, wait, wait. Was it 1935 during World War II?
No, that was 1939 in the Battle of Warstop.
When did World War I end?
1918.
There's no way during World War I somebody invented a disco ball.
I bet they did.
They were busy.
I think they analyzed one night.
We distracted the gentlemen's with a disco ball.
Fast as that, I can describe it.
I've used deduction on that.
Fine, there's a...
Steve, come on Steve, please.
answer is a 1917 was invented in Tennessee early the same year that the modern burger
bun was invented. Oh, because it's a he's American. They didn't get involved until the very end.
All right. We got one. We were. We got one more question. Can she can she for a whole
dearly be a shake. Come on then. How many clubs were in the US in 1979 total disco clubs in the
the whole u.s. yes i should just be putting the same letter
i guess it's better than my actual knowledge here
i think that's how i did the that's how i got my first three points okay
okay i think i was i think i was at these
it's a very popular uh... probably
no you can't copy all right in nineteen seventeen i'm gonna need a final answer
i'm gonna get it wrong here
everybody ready flip them
c
cd is not the answer is c
fifth. Congratulations Brian. I'm on for it. For a reference point in 2023 there are 21,000
subway restaurants in the U.S. Wow. That's a lot of disco clubs. We need to decide. Like restaurants
in like a underground train metro? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. We need to decide because it's between
me and Sheets. What's the solution? You guys both win. Congratulations. Congratulations.
Thank you for watching, I appreciate it.
Thank you, and we're going on to our next game of Dota 2, Stay Tuned for...
Another game.
There's five of them here.
They're sighting.
I'm feeling lighter, I'm finally feeling like I can breathe the night is coming
We're rolling down town, we're rolling to the south
We're rolling down town
The weekend's here, it feels so right
I think I'll make the skis out tonight
I'm gonna go on for a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
The music's poppin', the speed is poppin', feeling alive, head to the strip, these wheels take a run at the night
I'm running into fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, let me know that you feel me
I'm running into fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, come on and take a ride with me
You're rolling down, yeah, you're moving to the south
You're rolling down, down
We can't hear anything so right
I think I'll take the skits out tonight
I'm gonna go out and have a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
We're cruising on our city ride
I think I'll take the skits out tonight
I'm gonna go out, I'm gonna go to my house
And let me know that I'm still here
It's been six long days since I saw your baby.
I've been coming from house, minutes, seconds, until you're back in my house again.
And I stay in the bar babies
Tonight I'll be with the crazy ones
Tonight I'll make it sweet with you
First of all I'm not a good woman
We smile tonight, it's time to get through
It's time to find the sweetest in the huge
Saturday night
Friday night
Saturday night
Friday night
There's a light, there's a light
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
checks.
There we go.
Here's Kamov's game justice back in here, hitting Falcons versus Xtreme being the goal.
Before we get into that game, the story that I want to tell is about team Falcons.
We had a great first couple days of the tournament, but in the last day they had quite a few losses,
which looks rough for them considering they're beginning of the tournament.
So I would love to hop into some replays here and take a look at one of the games where
Falcons fell a little bit short.
And some of it, I think, came down to the fact that they had too many good things going
for them.
They had a Razor, which is one of their signature heroes.
They've got two excellent Razor players.
They got a Largo as well.
They were playing him support, though, but check out what happens here to Mallory.
He shows himself in the mid lane with his Invisory, and you check out the setup.
After he rotates to the bottom, they do this perfect combo with the level 6 Shadowfiend,
a rotation from Storm Spirit, and Mallory with his Invisory, and ends up getting pushed.
He actually solo killed Mid one here earlier in this game.
So very sad for them that that ended up going this way for them.
So they, on the Tundra side, sorry, the mouse side, they end up pushing in the mid lane,
they end up taking the tier one tower, and you're going to see the Falcons retreat because
this is a bad moment for them to fight, but unfortunately from the side, Crick gets caught
from a nice angle to Stormsphere, pays off really effectively in forcing this engagement
and they get a nice kill.
And immediately after this, as they try to control the map, you're going to see on the
bottom of the map, Amar here is going to try to get a little bit more farm out of this
while pushing the lane to try to prevent the mouse side from getting anything done here.
But unfortunately for him, Thorser had had an arcane rune before. Now he's got a regen rune.
Two in a row here allows him to get this pick off, which just further puts them farther behind in this game.
And now Falcons says, okay, well, we're going to bait him, while we push out the bot lane.
They're going to sit around him with all four heroes, which should provide pretty good outcome for them, if a Mar does get gone on.
But Maus doesn't actually fall for it here. There's a 3k disadvantage now, which is not normal for Falcons at this stage, especially when our laning stage went fine.
and they eventually do rotate over, but at this point Falcons has been here so long they end up
spreading out a little bit, Largo backed up to get the wisdom run, and then they get this nice
initiation on two heroes, Mars, such a good hero in these early stages pre-BKB because he locks his
opponents in, the Overgrowth plus the S of Ulti, that's a stun baby, and the Storms here to get
TP's in for a very good fight. So at this point Falcons is kind of like struggling here, 5k behind
they're going to go contest the Roche area, really good jump at first, but one thing I actually want
I want to show you at the start of this. Let me pause this and it's like look at the position here of this shadow fiend
He's to the far left and he's got both mid one and ideally boom in the front that way when the fight does start
He can actually just oops. I mean press for a start. Let me clear this
Hey, what he can do is he can just force that for himself out of the roast pit and that means despite
It's just not bad for him at all
He gets to say a max range
He gets a channel resultee and he gets to just right click this vent in a really really safe location
So the positioning that Mal is used against Falcons after they're in this bad position just made a bad matter a little bit worse for them
So tough game for Falcons. Hopefully they can turn things around today. They got some unfortunate losses
But I think they have it in them to take a nice series here
Thank you very insightful would love for you to join us as well as we are
getting ready to start the
the actual game between extreme and falcons.
And I also would love to hear Purge's opinion
on our current creation.
Terrible, numbskin.
We were tasked with creating a cake.
Morning shift creates a cake.
We create a cake.
You guys all vote at the end of the day,
which cake you like better?
Now we went for a cat volcano mountain.
Yeah.
This is the cat side.
And at the moment the volcano mountain side volcano mountain side. Oh my god, what did you do to that cat's brain?
The cat volcano mountain and
Perch we're trying to see if we have any way to create a crater on the top of his head
Somebody already to put a crater in his head, but maybe we can also use these but I don't know
There's not any darkness in there. Yeah, like you know volcanoes have a crater at the top
Yeah, but we didn't well initially I put it out the top, but then it looks makes the cat half looks stupid
Yeah, so we need to not have a D visual from here
Yes
I think this is the problem with having too many cooks in the kitchen
You're trying to make one Dota strategy be good at pushing and high ground and Roshani and winning lanes
Sometimes you just got to you've got to pick one strategy. Do you want to jump it? Yeah, but it's a metaphor
But that's not okay precisely that's a metaphor
It's that for our days. It's you want a business. No, I'm okay business in the front party in the back
Yeah, we're calling this cat mullet mountains. Can I have the weird color things the pinks and the leaves and things? Yes
They look we class to keep those a ever have a Lincoln cat
200 years ago, bro, you're not so upset about that. Are you these are bendy? We can maybe do something with these
You're not that bendy. I just broke it. Let's take a look at the drop
hey opening with the case that's fun and unusual it's very on brand it seems to
shit on Mars and Lane as well I think every time we see it it's not been so
good for Mars was a bird joke okay yeah I don't know what you're on is it our
pass about Mars Japan has not been picked yet shever Marcy Chan
This is oh, there's actually not one of the tissues or she's I just have jelly on my hands from earlier
I would and then I also jelly from the cake where that come from. I would honestly trust a mar to know
What is like the hardest counter to Mars in the game?
So if I see the instant depicts has yeah, I feel like it is it is because of what we've been seeing
Yeah, just it's really really difficult for Mars to lane this this chocolate
That's a must-taste, you know.
Are you sure there's Marsman here?
Yeah, I tasted the almond.
Really.
Can we get the packet?
Fine.
I'm giving it to you.
I appreciate it, thank you very much.
It tastes like decorative frosting.
I'll tell you that much.
Here you go.
This, Fett, which I think is rice fat.
Invert choker syrup, so it's a type of sugar syrup.
Mounted dextrin, which is a lot of sugar.
It's not like that, Shever.
There's like, I'm not in the chemicals.
Gelatin.
I'm not looking.
There's no mark.
Concentrat fran.
She lied to me.
It's just sugar.
It is just sugar.
But there's a lot of different types of sugar.
Oh, no, there's almond in there.
Oh, the extract or some shit?
No, it could have traces of almond.
Thank you, Shever.
Yeah, that's what you tasted.
Whoa.
She baited me so hard.
It was just okay for the rest of the game.
Did you eat a leaf?
Yes.
I will not be eating another leaf.
Let me eat a leaf to see what Perd, like, understand Perd's reaction here.
The rose is the same as the leaf.
No, it's like, it's strange.
Are you going to eat a leaf or take a bite of it?
No, the rose is better.
Yeah, I'm good with a bite.
It was not a good... not my best leaf.
Okay, never mind.
Uh, how about these heroes though?
I think this is interesting.
When I see Warlock, Kez, against Mars, I'm not thinking, like, okay, how do we beat this
in lane?
I'm thinking, how do we just survive against that lane?
And Willow, to me, is not, I'm going to survive.
This is, I'm going to beat you.
Like Extreme is really doubling down on the Mars Willow lane, which of course is a classic.
Don't get me wrong.
But like, Warlock is going to kill Kez for all of this, and then it's Kez versus Mars,
and we've seen how that goes.
So, I'm interested that Extreme is calling the bluffier a falcon, so they think they
have this dominant safe lane, but Extreme says, now, this classic will actually just
beat it.
Sorry, that fondant reset my brain and started me to focus at this point.
Okay.
There's a lot of magic damage on Extreme as well.
Good teamfight as well.
If they can get past the lanes, the execution is quite easy.
into these heroes. How does Toss work against Marina? You can't ever escape with the Palos
side. No. It's not fair because he throws you into the sky. I feel like it's really
awkward. It should have worked. Like, Marina does not go that high. It does not. That would
be child's play to throw. It would creep over that. Yeah. It does. I mean, it's a lot of
AWE damage. That part is good against Dark Willow because once you get close to him as
tiny, Dark Will is going to have a really bad time no matter what. And it sets some temple.
really need an initiator. This is a problem that they had in the draft that I looked at. I felt like
they got all these heroes they wanted, but then they're like, oh, well, we have Largo support,
and we have Underlord Offlane, and we have a Razor, but they didn't have anybody to jump,
so I feel like the Tiny will ensure this regardless, mostly given them some flex
between four and two. So it won't make their draft completely predictable.
Oh my god. Whoa. How far it goes. Tripe.
Four layers.
That was cool.
Ember spirits.
Gives him some lockdown I guess.
Yeah.
Do you want to play the razor against it or are you wanting to play the razor off?
I personally feel like it'll be razor tiny.
To me it looks like Falcon has currently picked two very strong side lanes.
Like the Ember is not crazy inspiring in terms of it's going to dominate the game or dominate the lanes or anything like that.
It's just Extreme now has a hero that can do like long range poke to set up for a Mars arena, which is really nice.
Like it's a hero that can go in and just do some stuff, see what happens.
Like Willow can poke from far, Kira can poke from far.
And if it looks good, then Mars jumps in and presses his arena.
So I think it just rounds out their draft really nicely.
A lot of roots.
Yeah.
Extreme games turn to death.
through Bramble Maze is a really high movement speed hero is really annoying because it's
not like you want to press BKB for one Bramble Maze but that like two and a half seconds
a route can really screw up your team fight.
Yeah, I've learned against when you have enough heroes like Willow, even just one more like
with stuff on the ground like Jekiro, you just have to buy BKB otherwise it's MR.
I'm just saying they have a lot of crap on the ground so you will have to buy a BKB here
and the thing about Razor though is he doesn't mind going BKB refresher like he's one of
the few cores nowadays that I think can still get away with this build.
This makes me think that the Razors less likely to go off lane, but then at the same time
a lot of the heroes that counter Weaver in my experience are mid laners too, like in
the game, not in the lane, but in the game.
I mean, you just don't put high value in static link, I think, if you go off lane Razor.
Like Razor will farm regardless.
I feel like what Amar likes about this hero is you can just farm and become a carry with
But I still think Razor Offlane is okay, but of course mid against Ember, I don't feel
like that matchup goes either way, handedly.
I wouldn't mind like Lina or DK for Mauryne, it's the way he likes to lane.
They definitely need a stun.
I feel like it's a little greedy if their tricorps like Kez, Razor...
If it's Lina?
Yeah, I guess they wouldn't.
DK is nice.
That's a good suggestion.
I like the lockdown, but do you think that's too greedy or is it just like you get blinked
dagger and you control the game?
Is Sand King?
No, they first banned that.
It's the only team still picking Sand King.
Yeah, I mean, Dece this out.
All of their cores are like, Dece against Razor.
This is one of the first team gaming, but I feel like Razor, which is by no or items,
is gonna be fine.
It's a really good Crimson.
It's a good pipe game.
It looks like a nice Greaves game, as well.
Oh yeah, true.
Get rid of that.
Gets to the Ember and stuff.
Yeah.
A lot of roots and leashes.
Get that Bloodseeker offline from Amar.
I think they just pick Brewmaster and get it working just like the 3-3 method.
That was pretty cool when he did that.
He has some team fight lockdown.
I don't know if that will work, but some Orchid here would be cool.
16 and 3 on the puck so far, the stream language is quite high.
It's a tiny support which is slightly less good, but still fine, and puck is great lockdown
against these two force the downside to the ember weaver they're good against
razor because they're mobile but anti mobility heroes then counters both I
think this is much more of a game pick like puck isn't the best in lane versus
ember and that's one way you can like deal with embers I mean most of those
were already taken out like Huskar first round band and everything monkey
king got banned later but yeah they don't have natural catch for puck I
imagine xxs will strongly consider like the yule's like pipe lotus it is Mars
This is the Yule game, yeah.
I'm just thinking he might skip Blink, because it feels really awful to blink into Falcons lineup,
and they kind of need Auras and the Yules, you know what I'm saying?
And also Lotus is really good here against Falcons draft.
So, like, you need to remove the fatal bonds, you need to reflect the link, you need the armor.
I'm just looking at like
Would you say Kaz is countered by dispels because it removes his damage over time from his
Right clicks. Yeah, definitely. It's a piece to 100%
I like you know Legion for example against Kaz and Lane because you can take off
They take up like 500 damage from his like attack a lot of times mid game
Especially when the desktop comes out people die to that yeah, literally one cue
I'm like a lotus at that point, but you'd have a eul's mm-hmm. I mean, I'm leaning towards I'm leaning towards Falcons
I think just because I don't think extreme extreme amuse have to ramp up the pace this game
But I don't think they have the ability to end meaningfully
Before puck comes online and we've just seen what happens when you have no way to deal with puck and a Lee
Yeah, that's in the win right to they do have an overwhelming team fight
I feel like on extreme gaming is there enough for proper and censored obviously they don't have nothing on the side of Falcon
It's something to say. Yeah, I feel like they're leaning stage needs to go well on the Falcon side
I'm a little bit worried about razor tiny. I think
I feel like they're going to be able to bully you with your hero, Weaver,
but the other matchups are fine enough,
and the rest of the aspects of the game look fine enough for me.
But I think lanes have to go good.
Rift doesn't even play lane on Tiny, though.
Like, this is a hero you pick.
You rush boots, you go win lane, start.
Play not to lane.
Every time I think that, in the Neymar is like number one network,
so I just never count this guy out.
But I agree, on paper, the lane matchups are bad.
We're going to find out how those lanes are going to play itself out,
and how the game is going to play itself out.
are heading over to Sunspot, consider it.
Whoa! Welcome everybody! Welcome to a Dota 2 professional video game, extreme gaming,
versus Falcon Gaming. This is the height matchup.
Falcon Gaming. That's right.
Both teams sitting at 6 and 4. Yes they are.
So this is a very important game, I think winning this more or less guarantees you at the bare minimum a tie
for advancement and most likely to go through.
I'm not going to do all the math for you, you can figure it out.
I don't have calculator.
Okay.
I think maybe fair to say neither team has been in exactly top form but still they're also not at their worst.
They're worst. This is like some been a mediocre tournament, I guess for both both parties until now
And now it's the time to level up when you're facing each other
Expect either team to be
Maybe somewhat satisfied with at least a singular game win
But losing 0 and 2 here is not a nice position to enter tomorrow with
For your final series. So
Yeah, like the panel talked about the instant Kez response to Mars is interesting
I was gonna talk a little bit about these two teams in general
i think these are the two best mars players in the world
uh... they're playing against each other
not really that's the price to see xxs grab it first pic
uh... to force documents not have it
this is going to be a top tier in the series just hands down
uh...
we're surprised to see the park these sixteen and three
insane to me
that sounds
a little high and i think that even balanced
Don't play production, resist the urge. You don't have to send it.
Oh, there it is.
Is that balanced?
Apparently not.
Oh, they had.
They had.
The hell off the screen.
You linger way too long.
I actually, the moment I said it, I was like, they're going to do it.
I was trying to stop it, Shannon, but...
You just love to see yourself on camera.
That's right. I'm a very narcissistic person, as you know.
I...
Yep.
Truly.
I love it.
Why you're going to be a billionaire one day, just like all the Falcons players.
HAH!
Hahahaha
Alright.
I have to warn you, production did tell me that I have a falcons button.
Oh.
And it-
Hahahaha
Great!
Just great.
It's uh, it's gonna be a long one for you.
Sorry about that.
Yeah, especially because falcons are playing kez.
So-
HAH!
That is pretty much-
Anytime falcons or kez is spoken.
HAH!
That will happen.
I refuse to accept these terms.
I don't say it you get to play it when the hero dies what hero the bird hero
That's good enough. All right, whatever. I'll talk about other players got my finger on the trigger syndrome. I'm American watch
Bird all right, we're good extreme versus
Now I can start pressing and people blame you
I can't help myself I know that
So, who did you pick, because I wasn't listening to anything you said up until this last sentence?
It's kind of hard to go against Puck, no?
Like if Puck is not hard-countered, the stats kind of speak for themselves.
And I don't think Xtreme's lineup is particularly good against that hero, so...
The one thing they do have going for them is they have a strong teamfight timing and Ember plus Weaver.
I think this duo of heroes can play extremely fast on the map.
And Falcons, known to sometimes, you know, chill a little bit, farm up.
If they can catch the other heroes off guard and snowball the game off of that, that could work for Extreme.
And most importantly for Extreme Gaming, I think in this matchup against this team is get off to a good laning stage,
so that Falcons can just run the terms of the game.
If this becomes a farm fest where Falcons are inching out against you all the time, even though you're an amazing late-game team next to you,
I just think this is a bad matchup for you.
So...
I would like to see them try to get ahead here early on and put whatever pressure they can.
So far so good up top, the panel is talking about Kaz destroying Mars.
And Texas has something to say about that so far.
You know?
It's a very early stage of this lane.
Oh sorry, you said Kaz.
AHHHH!
Sorry about that.
No delay.
I'm on sub check right now.
Okay.
That makes sense to somebody out there.
So after all these years, Cinderan, what do you think of Kez now?
Any changes there?
All these years, how long has it been?
1.8 years probably.
That's very precise.
Well, I think neither of us is a big fan of the hero.
It's my overall understanding.
So nothing's changed for you.
For me personally, this is my least favorite hero that Valve have added in the last five
years I think.
I'm trying to think of a hero I dislike more that they put in.
I think he's number one.
Like new additions to Dota 2, heroes that didn't exist in Dota 1, I think Kaz is my
least favorite.
I mean, there is something to say by the fact that when you're not having that many heroes
come out, the interval is being so low that it feels real bad when we get one that you
think is wrong.
I know there's just like five people out there that love him, so it's worth it.
And Skeeter is one of them.
No.
I don't think he loves it.
I see so
What can you do?
He's silver tier on it. That tells a story. Yeah, that's true. He hasn't played it that much
This is a team where everybody on their heroes is like platinum plus. Yeah
They have three Grandmaster heroes here and the level whatever that is 20 to 24 warlock on snaking
And then skitter is the odd one out. It's like, okay guys, I guess if I have to yeah, I'll try to play unnamed hero
for you guys. It's too bad they don't get to level their accounts in the pro matches.
I think that should count. Hmm. That sounds like work for Valve, so probably not gonna
happen. That is true. Mid lane, nothing to say. Continuing the good pressure on Smell
Reign, this is what the panel was talking about, that the one thing Puck does not do
particularly well in this game is pressure Ember. This is a quite meaningful advantage
for nothing to say currently up by 500 raw gold just in laning no kills no runes at least I think
the bounties were 2 to split were they no actually they did get three on xg that's such a small
but it's good to be correct in it that's true it is good to be correct
weaver against razor this is the final lane that we haven't covered all that much uh one of racers
Worse carry matchups in the side lanes, so I think this is something that Xtreme were obviously very cognizant about when they picked it.
Oh, Amar might have had a showcase, not a big problem here.
Avalanche comes, but the swarm to follow, Aumei is going to take the toss, he might be the one dying instead.
The static link is not enough though, his rotations come through, F.Y. takes out Amar and Crit to follow suit.
So Xtreme get the first two kills of the game, and F.Y. rewarded with first blood.
in addition nothing to say getting the first power rune so absolutely everything
for extreme so far this haste
in the hands of ember
that would be an interesting challenge for the panel with the two you know the thing
where they have to do the prompt on screen
talk like ember spirit so every sentence has to be four words
okay, picture what he says
all of this bill notice it when he says that every line ever has his forwards
i can't i've always a reference to it something in chinese folklore i think
uh... christened
job to look that up for you
he said flames rush for that three words i think it's a good place for a
plane
so the accounts
seven-minute wisdom shrine
brit enamor both formed up by army taken the front of the damage here malarine
with the waning rift as well, the coil to follow,
fixed is gonna be a potential disaster,
although Amar, he does get the double kill,
dies right after.
Now, Staking and Malarine can overrun FY
to gain this wisdom shrine and likely to kill,
unless FY can deny himself to the wolves.
Wolf attack, unsuccessful.
He baited the mom to Malarine though.
Three for nothing.
Well, three for two.
Correction.
I'm guessing the other Wisdom Shrine was taken by Extreme.
Of course, it went to the hardest.
See, look at this replay here. So, Amé is going to come in and get a good two hero swarm.
This is just the overall current mid diff, right?
Puck is here, Ember is not. That is the difference maker.
If Ember is in this play, I could skip.
get home, but it takes too long for the connection and as he arrives it's too late and he's just
going to back out so a bit of a maybe a missed opportunity you could say for nothing to say
here.
I managed to grab anything out of that.
I have your answer about Embers Spirit by the way I'll let you know.
We've got action Cinderan.
It is simply Chinese Proverbs tend to be four words so it's just mimicking that style.
Nice team.
That's cool.
But why only Ember then?
Uh, that is...
First Mars arena.
Speed are not just fear beautifully done.
Well done by Unnamed Hero.
Okay.
And he's gonna get the Raptor dance off because it's a little bit of HP.
They don't find the killer that's the bigger of the exchange.
Here are my terms and conditions.
If you're gonna use that button whenever we talk about Unnamed Birdman,
you have to do it when I say something about it, not yourself.
You can't just...
You can't lay up for yourself. It's like volleyball. You're not allowed to touch the ball twice at the front.
You said lay up. You do lay up yourself.
Not volleyball.
But not volleyball.
That's a term in volleyball.
Layup.
I hope so. Now that I said it.
Go ahead and Google that while you have Crono offence and Chanel watching the game at all.
That's untrue.
I'm watching the game very intently.
Nothing to say we'll be pushing the towers together with.
Standard move from level 5 Jekiro, but the coil.
Okay, big rotation.
Beautifully timed. They waited for the Flamegards to expire, giving them the opportunity for that play.
Set that up the whole way.
And in turn, they also stopped the push, so that's quite nice, Jakiro.
We'll still stick around though, Ex-Nova. Probably gonna stay in this lane until the job is done or he dies.
Well, Amar, they are crossing over the weaver, but Pock is coming back too.
This will be without Coyle though, FY, is he going to hit it?
He does.
10 minute rune, Amé, gets the arcane, that's a bit of a scary one if he wants to try and
fight with it.
Malrae, steering chains up, gets the illusory orb, barely survives, actually the urn is applied
right now.
Phase shift, bottle, looks like he's going to survive, Amé just biting his time though
has these shukuchi charges. You can basically spam it. This is like a level 25 weaver, basically.
Never really see anyone take that talent anymore because the other one's so good,
but the perma shukuchi is kind of funny.
Sure it's good in lower levels. Tier 1 finally taken by extreme.
Looks like they have some plans to deal with Amidon here, but just the two of them won't cut it.
Razor and Tiny cannot kill this hero.
What hero?
Weaver.
Damn.
Why would Razor and Tiny kill their teammate?
I only heard this hero, and I thought you were trying to bait him.
Static, like on Ame, and the fatal bonds as well.
That's fine.
That's time lapse, worst case scenario.
Let's pull HP again, thanks to the wand.
Crit.
Yeah, a little bit too late to the party there.
Oh, top lane though, Extreme.
Trying to go on unnamed hero, but just pops one of his 12 buttons, gets away.
I mean, you can call it what you want.
I kind of like unnamed hero.
It's like, Ki-Hoo should not be named, yeah.
Birdman.
Tower will be claimed.
So, second tower is relatively quick succession for X-Train, and they've defended all of their towers thus far.
They were thinking about gaining, but...
Column placed right on the tower for Falcons, they want to get their first tower of the game.
Staticling on X, Nova gets the ice path, swarms of follow, Amar getting healed up by the Warlock,
with the backstab from below, Analyst just in time to prevent the arena,
As Exek has tried to find an angle here, looks like they'll get the revuec and the spear to take out Amar.
Still a good trade for Extreme.
Nice to play it from Crit. If Crit doesn't get that toss on Amar's they both die and they defend the tower.
They do still defend it but it took a massive feeding.
Yeah, getting off the arena there for Exek's S would have been really nice for the side of Extreme.
Well, Unnamed Hero has the Blads now.
I'm just going Maelstrom on Weaver.
I'm trying to rub my head around what the logic is here.
The most popular build as of late is the Deso Shard, and you farm really fast.
I think the argument in the past was when you go Maelstrom, you farm faster than you do with the Deso.
I feel like the Shard just covers that so well.
So I wonder what he sees in this here
that he doesn't see in the Deso.
I personally think Deso build is almost always better.
Oh, they find Emily at the terrorize,
and the spear with the arena bedlam,
and he goes back down.
The Atalance from Crit, but he's just gonna get chased as well, is extreme.
Showing up in full force again, they're gonna get yet another tower.
It is 3-0 in that department.
That's a big hit.
That's basically the lead, 3K.
Two kills plus tower and one swoop.
What did they use for it?
Two ultis that are relatively low cooldown?
Not bad.
I guess they have no long cooldown ultimates at all
in their line-up, so they can keep going
whenever they feel like.
It's 14 minutes now.
Time for the Wisdoms.
FY, thinking about being sneaky here.
Risk reward, quite good on this hero,
But of course there are two heroes that can stop you in Shadow Realm TP, between actually three technically, I guess.
If you have the Golem.
He thinks better of it. Good choice, he was gonna die there.
Nothing to say is throwing these Remlins around quite willy-nilly. Now he's got cooldown on it for another...
20 seconds.
It seems like Extreme is really the one setting the pace for the most part of this game.
That's what their line-up's supposed to do here.
Can't blame them.
Let's say as far as Falcons go, this is not like a particularly slow line-up I do, there
are standards, but this is what you sign up for.
When you pick tiny four, you'd need to get to that dagger eventually before things really
start accelerating.
It's kind of weird to see them with one strength hero and that strength hero is a support.
Yeah, true that. They still stick to their logic of we only play cores that are hard to kill, but
It's not strength this time
Tiny nice side step from critical dodge the brambles. You're going to use coil from malarine, but the counter golem from snaking
That's a bad terrorize. Yeah, and that's not going to use for much though
Attempted TP, but they have the cancellation. So the golem basically traded for dark willow's life
That's not that great for Falcons, but I can't convert this to the tower. Yeah, they might get the first tower of the game
That's a very ballsy move
Work here indeed. He's quite low already slight of fist not enough for the remnants are there a more
Fighting his time. He actually does fall, but it's gonna cost nothing to say his life a little bit surprising from extreme
So the very least Falcons get something here
Yeah, that's not a great trade really for extreme side given the position they were in.
I thought they were trying to be able to deal with that, but this is still no tower though.
This is the thing, he just didn't have enough remnants because he keeps throwing them around.
So if you had another remnant there, maybe you could do a little cute outplay instead.
Once the Flameguard expires, you are vulnerable.
Smokes the Ulds.
They don't talk about it, X-Fixes?
Yep.
This first main item of the game, and they're going to smoke up.
Let's see if they can capitalize.
Oh, they will.
They are going to run right into...say it?
Skitter.
That's right, Kaz.
He does get off the raptor dance, but if you go...
Oh, he doesn't get to the high ground either with one of his 12 buttons,
but Brandon Grapplingclaw also thrown out on death.
That was unfortunate. He definitely was not ready for that.
What do you think of his build? Has this been common in the tournament?
I'm asking the wrong person.
Vlad's first?
Yeah, I've mentioned Vlad's.
Yeah, but is that normal?
There's no way it's normal.
Vlad's into Desto.
He'll be delayed further. Amar.
He could disassemble it though, right? Is Amar?
And he'll be caught by the Rambles.
Yeah, what would you disassemble it into though?
Just to make the game satanic?
I suppose.
It's not the cheapest disassemble, but yeah.
Yeah, but it's not like a morphing that gets unbelievable value of life.
No, that's what I'm thinking.
I don't know.
Like, is this a mindset thing where they want to have additional power for fighting?
It's like a replacement for Falcon Blade, right?
That's the alternative here.
He's treating this as a Falcon Blade.
It's a more expensive one, but it offers more utility for the team I
Don't like it as a cast specialist
I thought for 15 minutes that's pretty good eventually
Yeah, I've not played the seriously okay, so I couldn't tell you just how good this would feel to have but definitely not
They have a boiler as well, man, he just walks into death.
It feels like this has happened a couple times now.
Yep.
An extreme, I mean, their lead is only a thousand right now.
And that is with, still, this is gonna be eventually the first hour for Falcons.
I...
Do you like Blade Mail Ember here?
I feel like it's a little bit backwards for me.
It's like, when you buy Blade Mail, it's not like this item is unusual on the hero.
You go in with fling guard, you pop your blade mail, you're super hard to kill.
But at the same time, you're leaving yourself vulnerable to place like this, where if you have say, a EULS or you're working on a VKB, you'll get there faster having that safety against Puck.
This item doesn't counter Puck. It's good against Kez in some...
I did it again.
Oh, there we go.
I'll stop pressing the button for you, you're not paying attention. You don't deserve this.
I just...
I just slammed the ground.
I just slammed the table, though.
That's the most angry I've ever seen.
I got pissed at myself for saying the hero's name out loud.
What hero?
Voldemort.
Yeah.
There you go.
I get to say that.
I looked like Harry Potter when I was younger.
I did.
I have a scar on my head for God's sake.
Yeah, that explains a lot.
That actually is probably true.
Do you remember how you got it?
Uh, yeah, I was running away butt naked as a four year old.
That's not what happens in Book One.
Yeah, that's a little different story.
He's a little younger and I think it has, it involves some magic, but maybe I read
the PG-13 version of the book.
Smoke from Extreme and Falcons simultaneously, they're getting ready for this 20 minute
move on the Tormentor top.
success would love to get a meaningful arena and this is another pick off tossed into the
golem. He pops the blade ball and dies shortly after. Now the counter initiation. Four versus
find a huge rebuke and skeeter and snaking die. So just like that the wombo combo from
extreme despite being at the number disadvantage they find another straggler in the form of
Crit, double kill for X to excess.
Okay, that time it cost him.
That time it did cost him to go on the Ember.
He dies for a fourth time now
on NTS, but as you mentioned
the bigger prize gets we play him still.
Malrin seems to have something to say about it with Amar.
They're not giving up the zone control, knowing that
all these key spells are on cooldown, feeling like they can
dissuade Xtreme from committing for it.
Looks like they are going to potentially be successful.
This wave gets pushed out, let's see what they choose to do.
They have not even...
They do have the health on their heroes to tank it, but maybe the risk reward of getting
jumped by the puck there is too much of a threat.
They are indeed intimate about this.
XXS has his arena in 35, perhaps you can try to take advantage of these low cooldowns,
but you can see thousands tank every day ready.
Other than the Golem, of course.
XXS, well caught!
of signed it. Plasma fielded, nothing to stay. Opens up right now.
Coil toss, nicely done.
X-Fact Fest destroyed before it can get anything off really.
Crit, dead to rights, so nothing to stay his hands.
So one for two extreme, backing away from the time being.
Kind of wait out Amar's ult potentially as now
Rain jumps in pretty juicily, and that's a double kill per hand.
One way to put it.
Oh, they got Amar on the Bramble. That's the man, sir.
That's one applied right now as well. Trying to take it out and attempted TP as well.
It's not going to happen. Amé has the damage.
That was not really even close on the TP, but...
Nice little cheeky play here.
Ooh, yeah, you got it.
They keep it even and they still the wisdom. That's not bad.
They are doing a very good job at protecting the Tormentor area.
the
fact that the tormentor has not been taken out in 22 minutes.
It's pretty rare, isn't it? It is. It looks like it is a fine now, though.
In true, this game fashion, nothing to say will be attacked again.
You get it. This time he did not fall, though. X-Nova gets the shot. That's what everybody's fighting over.
The shard on Jekiro, something to truly behold.
I definitely would have rather had it on FY.
Yeah, that one's really good against Razor, because he's got a Manta, the cursed crown
off, and then all of those crambles are going to grab both Manta illusions and himself.
Yeah, might be worth purchasing, but knowing FY, I feel like it's not crazy that he doesn't
perfectly buy his shots.
Yeah, I also, I don't know, where the lowest one is weird.
It feels like sometimes it's amazing another time shoot.
It's just this hero uses gold so well on other stuff, whether it's a blink initiation, going
for a hex angle, playing long range artillery, glimmer.
This is a very good glimmer game, so you might be considering it.
That'll be KP almost done for Ame, just a thousand away.
Another one for Mars, not too far off either.
This really is the difference maker in current leveling is just Ami, staying ahead by a couple thousand.
He doesn't have his shard yet actually.
Yeah, it's different when you buy Mjolnir. Then I think the shard is not nearly as valuable.
It's still good, but...
I do agree with... I think if you're buying Deso, you have to buy shard for farming.
If you buy me on there, you have the choice.
I see.
Okay.
I'll buy that.
I'll crit, toss back.
You'll dodge the bollum.
He immediately used arena, only onto the support tiny.
They will get crit.
fatalbomb's doing a decent amount of damage.
There it goes, skater.
And malarine to take out the support in turn.
So one for one.
He's actually going to die to the fatalbomb.
He does, skater.
Or the damage overtime.
over time who knows with all the mechanics here I'm gonna say he died to
the lead because the kill went to Skeeter yes it was more facetious than
anything for being honest very even game this is a really entertaining one
can they go for Roche he's gonna swap sides they're on time it's gonna go for
a nice little stroll here
Now it's going to be a long stalemate for Roche, potentially.
A little bit different though, now that it's in the river, of course.
Four Mantar segments everything into one little corner of the map, you know.
Do I have anything key coming up here?
So Amar working on a BKB, only a few hundred away, that will be a very big ticket item
in this game.
Currently he's struggling to stick on his targets between all of these roots and stuns and flows
Just to wait for many problems, but once he unlocks that it will make things a lot easier Malrin with the Parasma
The damage is definitely not lacking on the side of Falcons. It's just like that or hitting heroes
Good blink from crit
Smoke doesn't find anything they will get some warts down though and
Do a lot of damage to this tier 2, forcing the fortification.
Looks like Falcons. Or excuse me, extreme. I have a crack at it. Well, maybe not now.
Yeah, that's a freebie on FYM.
Ah, you're saying that.
Success. Arena. Okay, not a freebie after all. Support for support again.
This thing's very lowly of crit.
There's the BKB that you talked about, I mean, a lot of heroes are about to get their BKBs,
so what do we have right now?
Only one on Aume, not that he can buy multiple, that's not what I meant, Sinnerne, good effort.
Nice, good that you specified it.
Recipe away for XXS.
And Skeeter, I mean, does this hero even, at what point do you buy BKB?
Or do you?
I think you might do that next, after Manta, wouldn't mind it, but probably also want,
like usually you want X as part of the build, I mean.
Oh, that's accessible.
Awkward spot.
He's trying to get bashed immediately, and he's dead to right.
My goodness, but look at the damage applied to Mal'Rain.
Not enough though.
That looks not gonna find him.
Skeeter jumps in with the grappling claw, fuels into the plasma field for a more to finish
shop so two for nada and that could be Roche for Falcons.
Why is Puxo tank when it gets to have every evasion spell in the game? Why does it also
have 2K health? And other things to think about when you go to bed tonight. Down it
This will be an Aegis for who?
It will be for Bird Samurai.
Instant TP down to push out bottom.
A little bit of miscommunication, both Amar and Skeeter are TP'd at the same time.
Skeeter will be like, well, it is the off lane, so you can have it.
And Crit, again found out.
That's gonna be death number seven for him.
It seems like tiny support just has this lot in life, so it has to die many times over again.
Apparently.
That's not enough.
Oh, yeah, the Echo Slash is there as well, Skeeter.
10 damage on them?
I would say we're getting close to the next Tormentor timer.
That's not true though. Yeah, they're actually that's a lot of damage from Skeena raptor dance isn't going to do anything
Thanks to the spear though, so I'm flying
The one thing that he can't do is I run I can't do yeah, it should be a doto bird then
So they should have done need an ostrich skin
I don't disagree though
What if it sounded like this though? Oh
When you wrote it better voice acting than it currently has that is accurate
We you and I both agree on this 100% we're missing that animal flair on these new heroes
There's no personality sound a bit like a bird and Largo needs to sound a bit like a frog
They have zero personality. Why do they not sound like frog? I don't I don't get it either
Why doesn't the bird sound like a frog?
That would actually be kind of funny
You could have closed your eyes and picked anything, and it would have been better than it currently is.
Shiva is for nothing to say. It looks like Agnum Scepter is going to be next as a smoke comes out for Falcon's three minutes on this Aegis.
Crit.
Looking to find something, somewhere.
I'm not giving them anything nice try there for Mal'Reen to get some information, he's
just gonna blink behind the tower waiting for him.
I would say this BKB is also a very big deal for X-XS, it feels like he has gotten his
combo kind of broken several times this camp.
Now the only way to deal with that would be to get a basher on Skeeter or something to
that effect.
Here too, for Falcons, making use of this Aegis.
I'll just continue to farm the outskirts of the map.
Has a crystal list, just, actually has enough
for the Demon Edge here to get the full Daedalus.
And I feel like with that extreme,
that's a pretty big power spike.
You got the Daedalus, the Sheeva, the BKB for the prequels.
Yeah, it's a really strong timing.
The thing is, they might opt not to fight anyway because in 1 minute 30 there's the Tormentor, so it's probably better to wait.
Oh, they find Omni, can they chain him?
Yeah, let's see. He has time lapse, gets it off with the BKB as well.
Doing a good amount of damage to Crit.
Spear not gonna fully commit onto Skater.
Around.
Pull in the coil.
And that would have been only gets X Nova, but he didn't see him. I think now X Nova lives
Oh now Mallory does have case though and the Parasma
He's a truck Nova. He's dead ironically enough. There was the if you run in a straight line
base you probably lived there
I don't see doesn't have the same vision
As the rest so one minute for Torm that means jacquero will respond have time to TP top and you smoke
But this is a play you need to plan now
If that's what you want to do, push out bottom, push out mid and immediately start congregating toward the top half of the map.
Otherwise, I think Falcons are just going to take this one for free, which they would, of course, love.
The thing is, their shards are pretty trash. They either get Warlock or Tiny, they're both very bad.
Fred wants to get aggressive, it's Camus out beforehand, and FY just gets deleted by Skeeter.
Oh, that was not a good run, though.
silent, pops the blade bales like this is going to be too much damage. Skeeter though will lose
the Aegis at the very least, but again extreme. Two deaths, not worth it. And this should open up
Falcons to be able to get that Tormentor. Yeah, pretty as mentioned I feel like they'll take
it more for the sake of not giving it over rather than them wanting the shards. I promise you neither
crit, nor snaking would ever by the short this. Those are horrific. They're pretty damn
on low tier. Maybe I'm slightly underrating the warlock one. I just find that in most
pro situations it just doesn't really, you don't get to channel 10 seconds of upheaval
or 5. Yeah, that's okay. It's better than the tiny one I would guess unless Falcons want
to start farming in which case that won't be nice but not the case that will go to
Snae. He is currently working on the potential agonist, his axe and flink queued up on the
warlock interestingly. There's one of these games to be more important. We are working
on refresher. Or is that... I guess it would be Lincoln's maybe. Anyway, this hero with
refresher is filthy. Yeah. He wants the Lincoln's first. I guess it's debatable which
order is better, but I guess you do want both at the end of the day. But then again, what
What are you really getting Lincoln's for?
That is a great question.
Are you just planning for the inevitable effects?
Or what's the deal?
So there's Cursed Crown.
This Cursed Crown and that's it?
If he cares about Cursed Crown that much.
And the jewels.
Yeah, other than the items obviously.
I don't know.
Interesting.
I've never talked about it before when Lincoln blocks one thing that you really want to block
and they can't do anything else other than use items, it's actually a pretty good purchase
a lot of time.
Yeah.
First crown is that worth.
Those probably feel that good.
Probably is the hex, eventually.
It's a bit puzzling, I'm not really feeling this, because I know Amar historically just
It goes for really carry heavy off-lane builds, right?
Where he will be like, I will carry this game.
So sometimes on Mars, he will buy like damage or Scotty or whatever.
I kind of like Scotty better in this game than Linkin's on Razor.
If you have to go that stat heavy route where you want to be a tanky monster,
I think that would be decent.
Satanic was always on the table.
Even something like AC is pretty good.
Anyway, let's see if we get our questions answered later.
It's gonna look like a true genius when the hex comes out.
It's like, I already have the link.
Satanic is a huge item for Aume. He is starting to get
super scary. He needs to fight, I think.
This is probably peak weaver in this game
relative to the field. This is probably, ah well, 25, okay?
Level 25 is an insane upgrade for this hero. The extra Gemini attack is wild.
Not close to see.
Sort of a level way.
There is Static Link onto the Ember, they have the control again, nothing to say.
Very costly deaths, the Snake King will use a Golem just for Ex-Nova.
I just don't like this Ember built. He just dies in every coil.
Where's the BKB? Where's the counter play? Maybe even a ULZ.
You know, like anything to buy yourself some precious seconds so you can get out.
Seems like his mindset is I'm gonna out-tank everything with a billion armor, but...
There's a lot of magic damage on the enemy team. Puck with Parasma, Tiny Combo, a little bit of Razor.
Mamba number five.
Great song.
Yep.
Yep, it is puzzling. Interesting choices being made.
Hello questions here. Maybe Amar is buying the Lincolns as a joke to taunt NTS.
It's like the sophisticated mantle drop.
He's buying the item that Ember shot with both.
Well, that shouldn't be Lincolns either.
He already has the BKB. He's really trying to tell him,
look, look nothing to say. I have BKB and mantle and Lincolns.
You should try this.
Kazoo would destroy me if I didn't mention this in the rant.
Okay.
Snake King on Warlock has the greedy neutral item and as a result or at least partially as a result
Has an agonist scepter now, which?
Feel like for Snake King a lot of times he ends up position six almost a lot of times
He ends up position four is almost number three. He's like one or the other. Yeah, I look at your father rules
X-XS gets a nice spear gets the rebuke as well as a huge kill onto Mallory
It's going to cost him his life, but he'll take that every day of the week that was insane extreme shows that pop can die
Thereby making it a balanced hero
And he comes think to say slow to a crawl up evil from snaking very scary at warlock shard really popping off there
feel like if you
Channel that for enough seconds with enough heroes inside you should get it going
Those imps should just combine at the end to a golem.
That's honestly not a bad idea to have them somehow.
Or a baby golem, you know?
Yep.
Skater.
In the Roche pit, gonna make him belch, but...
Extreme.
Slowly making their way over, at least the jikiro is, and he...
Come on, Lamar.
Is gonna be caught.
And killed.
So, a freebie for Falcons.
I'm punishing that Deward. I think if Jekyll wants to Deward there, you should call over the team for protection.
You know what Falcons are planning. You know they want to do the Roche. If you have an aggressive ward place like that,
they're looking to punish you on it.
There was backup for Jekyll there that could have got interesting because once again, Amé is mega strong.
How he took the Shikuchi cooldown?
Really? Is that- am I tripping? That's not the common one, right? I'm not out of touch here.
I mean, I wouldn't think so. I feel like every time I've seen...
carry weavers they've gone for the Geminate of 25 very interesting well he's
super mobile now that's for sure I guess the Geminate one is maybe a bit
better when you have desol and the Milnear but it's not much damage you
think he's done this game you think it's that much as in do you want me to rape
him among the numbers in the heroes I think it's probably like third I feel
Like we haven't really just seen him right click in a fight because they're not
I don't these fights are really weird. Yeah, they're not really taking any fights
They give up the ages another item so Falcons get that
Monkey King Bart against the butterfly when will he be done farming center?
I mean, I may will never be done
Well xxs has to use the BKB and the arena is he gonna live though looks like unless
Kez has a global ability that I'm not aware of.
Almost died to LeFonnie Birdman in three hits.
Lovely. Who's your best friend in Dota, Cinderella, that you're on a team with?
My best friend that I was in a team with, Kezu.
Thank you. Wow, that's actually really clever.
I am impressed. Refresher now. What would you have done if I set someone else?
I would have hit it anyway.
It's really hankering for a pushing of a button, you know?
I'm actually kind of...
That doesn't happen very often.
What's this feeling?
Oh, not again. Nothing to say. It gets coiled.
He's doing a lot of damage to Mal'Rean.
Looks like he's going to live.
Well, that's one hero he can survive.
Yeah, if there was a plus one, then perhaps.
He has the eggs now on the Ember.
and now finally as his fifth item he's buying yule's
are you kidding on ember you're kidding fifth item quick buy
okay so he wants to get the wind waker
I'm guessing you're not buying it just yule's now
I would think so he's gonna upgrade it fully and you are playing against
I mean there's some nullifier options on the dire you could get nullifier
uh... maybe he knew all along
you're playing as falcons this game will go late
let's prioritize late game items
then go for the utility later that's very backwards that's right center and but
yeah i can't say that it he didn't think that
but i can say is that he's level twenty
meant forty two on it
as the hex is the link in there for razor yes for comparison pockets little
25, by the way. So there's a little bit of a difference between the two.
There's been some skirmishes here and there, but for some reason, I just get the feeling that both
things are content going late game. Aegis on Kazna. Be brought to Fuhiro's! Into the tower,
and the right clicks are raining from Ame. They get the Aegis, they get Krint. A lot of static
storm damage, so that is a huge amount of Ame. He gets the time lapse out at the last second,
but then dies instantly after Amar wants to chase with that BKB Skeeter as well.
They'll be happy with the three kills.
Oh, look.
He time-lapsed the full HP and then died half a second later.
Show me the damage numbers. This is Vintage Amar Razor.
That was disgusting.
Skeeter was dead in that fight for most of it.
Look at that, 6.3k and almost all of that was on the Weaver.
He just sold him twice against time-lapsed.
how on earth now they're building a shawl fall
half the damage roughly is eye of the storm
does have refresher let them get these late game items like a turbo game
nice tech speed bird guy
we had a few squirmishes here and there both teams are like alright let's get late game items
and have one big fight and then the game basically ends
that looks so familiar with late game
So X-XS gets the two-man spear, both heroes die without getting anything off, and then they still lose.
Yeah, that's the dream setup.
They still lost horribly.
They're just not, not enough damage.
I think part of the problem here is that the Weaver just can't kill Razor, and that's where Mjolnir is, I would say, significantly worse than this.
So perhaps some situation like this, well look at that.
Her nice terrorized layered on top as well, but the fatal guns are good, the golems are good, and just look at Razor pop off here.
And time locks just in time.
And it's time.
Ha ha ha!
Bro, test.
He's not even 25 yet on Razor and that's crazy.
That is pretty crazy.
He's 25 now.
It's going to get even worse.
And the fight on the bot side at here is destroying nothing to say.
Goodbye, Mr. Ember Sphere.
One more death for you.
25k lead for Falcons.
I don't know, Shen.
These players are a lot better.
Okay.
What do you think about this?
Garg!
Okay.
Yep.
I don't know these players are so much better than me. I just don't understand this ember built this game
Maybe that's why they're so much better, but hey, he's losing
So maybe I understand what do you think? Sorry, did you say something? I just okay?
Is there something I'm missing here that makes it defensible to not buy either jewels or
BKB on Ember in your first four items against this lineup?
Am I overlooking something in this?
Cause I personally feel like nothing to say with a quote unquote more normal build in
this game might have changed it.
Alright, we'll find out, somebody will message you.
Send her in.
That's right, I'm going to get a message from-
Get your phone out right now.
Flynn's going to send me a text and you're like...
Son, shut the fuck up man, you don't know.
You don't know. They'll probably be like, wow, nothing to say so bad, I'm better, I should plan this too.
Alright, congratulations on your second chart of the game, Falcons. It will go to Tiny. I peaked, he says.
Beautiful.
Well, he did. He won TI.
True.
Well, he can hit buildings now.
His career.
Falcons, one more push and that should do it for Game 1 unless Extreme can have some sort of a miracle comeback.
You have the added problem now on Extreme that you have to be even more wary of Razor linking Weaver.
Like, Ami can't let it happen because he's going to lose attack speed and damage. It's way too much.
If they somehow set up, let's say a two or three second stun where Amar gets to drain the Weaver,
I think the fight is already mathematically almost impossible.
Weaver is going to lose way too much, and Raze is going to gain way too much, so...
Gotta need some pristine teamfighting here.
Pops the blade now.
He has PTSD from this game. Oh my god, he's going to die right away, gets up a slight at this.
Remnants for the outside Raptor dance right on top of X-X-S, just like that.
he's out of the game likely until the duration 80 seconds no buyback tomorrow
somebody should be able to get mega creeps for falcons
no thing or true about the avalanche the toss we were dead
another core bites the dust GGs fall for mommy and that'll do it for game number
one now falcons
Yeah, that's the server. That's right
They sent them packing
Amar stole all the power of the server with razor
He's static linked valve HQ and grabs himself his
2,730 second win on razor in Pro Dota. Pretty good
I mean, what else is there to say? I feel like I've beat it to death
I don't like the Emperor itemization and I think it's a really big problem this game in my eyes aside from that falcon
better execution overall. I do want to give a shout out though to Ex-Ex-S. We
think did what he could there with the tools at his disposal but just a couple
of key moments where Falcons get the better of them mainly through jumps. I
think Ember having second highest deaths in his team is a major contributor to
the problem here and I'll see. He did a decent amount of damage. I wonder how
much of that with Blade now. Probably a lot. But still, overall, Falcons, looking good.
This wasn't once again, I feel like neither team is in top form, but I think Falcons,
I mean, easy to say when they won. They did look better. Maybe 8,800 damage with Blade.
Okay, so decent. Yeah, not a good start for Extreme, but Falcons fans, I'm sure, are very
happy she I'm sure I'm sure they are I think also there was one major glaring
difference between extreme gaming and Falcons in this game if we look on the
top that's the right side the top right side where all the falcon heroes are you
see buck razor and tiny all of them grand masters and their heroes
respectively we're on the side of extreme they only got normal boss there is
This is a little on Ember.
Sure. Brian, that's best at all.
I believe the Grand Masters actually refer to a PhD.
If you have a master's degree and then you have your PhD.
Okay.
I believe they all have doctorates.
Yeah.
Unraiser, Pock and Tiny respectively.
Are you guys saying that the Herald Grand Masters
have doctorates as well?
Of course they do.
Is doctorates and something stupid like philosophy?
Yeah.
Something that's not gonna work.
Nobody really cares about it.
The thing that I have a question for you guys,
What did you think about the Ember build, Jenkins?
Oh, I think the Ember build was totally fine.
It's a very bold thing for somebody potentially
who only wanted TI1 as a player,
maybe TI2 one of these ancient events.
He criticized such a...
He is master tier on Ember,
but nothing to say he's Ember's.
This is probably his best year on.
I think Cinder has a doctorate in philosophy though,
so that's why he's criticizing the master.
Exactly, exactly.
Go ahead. Yeah, that's that's fair to say. Yeah, he did die a lot.
Puck may maybe lost the lane a little bit, but at some point,
you have the silence into the dream coil.
And then if your opponents are playing well, which they were, they're like,
okay, and the second that combo ends, which is like what? Five seconds,
six seconds, then they're like, then I'm going to avalanche you.
And then when that ends, I'm going to toss you and pretty soon you just can't live
that long. It's not possible. With that said,
it does suck to buy a BKB and for that first combo to happen, you'd be like,
well, that's just a BKB chart, you know, whatever happens, happens.
But it added up big and I feel like they threw away a lot of their advantage
So if you looked at the Nellworth most of the game, Almey had a big chunk advantage
Like he was ahead of his everybody in the game
So like hypothetically that feeding happened less if your opponent's head less gold
Maybe Almey just carries the game by himself
Yeah, shiver. I agree. You need a BKB on your Ember I think to have Weaver be able to pop off in the game
I feel for him. I really do like I think that
It feels I mean you said it when we were watching you're like it feels so shit to play against the poor tiny because
He has avalanche now, which is in aura
Which means if you get it on somebody before the BKB you can just change from them like BKB or no BKB
So kind of baits you you're in these games. You're like, oh, they've tiny. I'm not gonna go BKB. They have puckle to 25
It's BKB piercing. I'm not gonna go BKB
But it's kind of like somebody needed to go in and just do stuff and survive for the other
Heroes on extreme to have an impact. I just want to mention that yesterday. We saw I believe it was Navi that had
Largo quap
Windranger course and they were struggling getting bursted down at the start of a fight
but the other two cores did so much damage that
They were winning fights anyways
And I'm just thinking that maybe this ember build would be better if he had like weaver plus another damage dealer
You know like Mars is not the type to like pick up the slack if you're dying at the start of the fight as ember
You're just not gonna have
Enough damage to take down these targets. You know, I mean I would say I obviously I agree
But I would say
Normally you'd expect an extra damage to maybe come from your supports and and I'd say willow and jacquero aren't they considered to be fairly
High damage supports. Yeah, they're not bad
But I guess at that stage the game you're dealing with like a satanic double BKB on Razor those
Those supports are really good against heroes that are not Puck, dealing damage, you know what I mean?
Like, okay, yeah, sure, you land the ice path, then you have the macro pyre, but there's a lot of heroes that get stuck in that.
Yeah. But Puck just like face shifts and blinks out, so.
Worst case, he's like, oh, I take three seconds of macro pyre, and then I use any of my skills together with it.
Exactly.
With that said, though, I think Demars did a good job against the Kez for a long period of time, and that's something I want to highlight,
Khez actually had a rough game at the start of the game.
He had like up to five deaths or something like that.
He eventually did good stuff, but at the start it was like chain stun on Khez into his death.
And as part of the reason we were able to get ahead was because they were blowing him up consistently.
And these fights in this case, he tried to use his ultimate to get out of it.
He's getting macro-pired. He's getting stunned.
That happened multiple times. That included one clip, for example.
And everything else is going to be skater eventually being like,
I'm the highest damage hero in this absolute game.
You better watch out for me.
With the exception of this jump, really nice grab by the puck.
Eventually skater says, OK, I'm going to just lightly tap
X-X-S and do hundreds of damage to him with the tick.
So that was really effective.
But it gets worse.
Get ready for the damage here.
This is a little fall-up.
Skater's in there.
He's attacking.
This guy's got tons of armor items, actually so many.
But he still died so easily here.
Here's a BKB Mars just exploding the skater on the back line.
And this is, look at this Roshan damage dude.
This is by himself.
Yeah, they nerfed this to towers, but not Rosh.
Yeah.
Like why does this work?
Why does this work on Rosh?
Ready, objective.
The numbers look a little, a little crazy here.
Don't you think?
There was a solar crest in there.
That was one hit.
I think they've ever had like 38 armor or something.
That's, yeah.
I don't, I don't, I don't know man.
That was no aggs.
It was all DPS, but still Falcon Rush.
It might just be inherently broken as a skill.
Yeah, you need to, like, stun and fold to zero, guys.
I think that's the way you play against him right now.
You don't let him just, like, run free in fights.
I remember there was a while where teams were picking Lion
as the answer to it.
Maybe, like, Rasta as another solution.
I think Mars is quite good.
Like you said, in the early game, it was looking good.
And if you can go late game where Mars gets a hex,
then you still have an answer, despite the BKB, right?
But the mid game just went too poorly for Xtreme
to be in that position where they can get the hex where there's not like multiple Lincoln
spheres protecting as well.
And they did have an answer to the kez early on but obviously not enough.
This was a first phase pick for kez so we'll see what Xtreme's gonna do for that.
But I first wanted to check in to see what's happening because of course all the group
A stage games for today are done and tomorrow we have potentially tiebreaker so I want to
keep you guys in the loop because a lot for group A is set in stone. We know the defending
champions Yandex eliminated. Your cold brothers eliminated. Pain gaming eliminated. The other
side Aurora, Paravision and Liquid will all be guaranteed making it to the second group
stage. Yes, that is a team Liquid. Wow. Group stage. You're reading that correct. And for
For better than our G, we don't know yet, but the cool part is that they are actually
facing each other.
That's right.
That's perfect.
Yes.
The only thing is, so the way that it works for us is like, obviously, it's two game series.
It's simple if one team 2-0's the other, but if they tie, they'll play another best
of three for the tie breaker against each other.
It wasn't a five and seven and seven and five.
Yeah.
I think it was.
It wasn't.
Wait, wasn't?
Oh, yeah.
OG would have to 2-0.
Oh, I didn't look at the scores.
I just thought they were the tie.
Still relevant.
They can very well 2-0 Betboom.
Like that's not out of the cards at all.
I just want to make the comment that after the first four games for this group, there
were four teams that were 4-0 and four teams that were 0-4.
And OG was one of the 4-0 teams, and they've apparently gone 1-7 since the first four games.
And Betboom was one of the 0-4 teams, and their coach came back.
That's what happened.
We get to be like if they have they he came back in the beginning of this event
Yeah, you know they need a little bit of time warm up, you know oh and for that's not a big deal
But they were taught like everyone was saying so everyone who works blast and stuff was coming to me saying like yeah
They're not coming to me obviously, but we were talking about it saying yeah that boom not looking too good right now
I'm like what's up with the team and they apparently just haven't had a coach. You know bull cleans in Russian. What does it mean coach?
So he's coached the coach
I actually believed you. I believe you 100% but I was surprised that I'd never heard it before because it's such a, you know, I don't remember what it means. So we'll figure it out some other time. First, we're going to figure out what's going to happen with this series of extreme vs. Falcons continually after a break.
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Hi, nice to meet you, and you're ready for the back-galsy, when the beat's this tough.
Welcome back, final game of the day coming your way, and before this series started,
Extreme Gaming and Falcons were both sitting on a 6-7-4, and Falcons won game 1, so they're
now 7-4.
Let's see if Extreme can even the score and therefore they will also be at a 7-5.
Were you trying to rhyme that entire time?
No.
That was like right out of time.
That was an incredible crime you just committed.
I didn't rhyme anything.
You did.
You may have tried to.
I can't remember what they said.
He was in a prime I'd say.
What did they say?
They rhymed.
The thing that rhymed at the time.
Welcome to the drafts.
We got Falcons on the dire side once again at this time first pick previous game
I believe they were a second pick because they overall last pick fuck so we got extreme overall last pick this time around
Kez is left in so if Falcons want it then they can but they go for the razor first they prioritize that
It is funny that there's some teams that prioritize
Largo super high to go for first-rate pick. I know that they didn't do previous game either
But at least they ban it in the second phase
But we got Shadowfiend coming out
The first pick for extreme I feel like the downside the Largo first pick is that the hero has shown itself to be by far best as an offlaner
And it kills all of your flex draft potential it makes the draft a little bit easier for your opponents
and especially because Falcons like
To the best years in this patch our razor and viper and they are the razor and viper team like they should be abusing these heroes in my
Opinion, so I much prefer them to open with a razor
Yeah, I agree and you know we talk about the statistics of
Razor had a pretty bad win rate coming into today, which I think it's actually been winning today.
That was 9-14. I remember it was like 4-14 at the start.
This is a team that will pick around the Razor.
Obviously, they know how to pick around the Razor.
Like, they're always the team that defines the meta with Razor whenever it's good.
No, they even played it when it wasn't good.
This is true.
They still did well.
This is true.
So, I trust their Razor.
Giving away SF though, I mean, we also saw that hero's win rate.
It's incredibly high.
It feels like I think Brian you were saying like SF just does not lose lane that that is also how I feel to personally as an off-laner
Playing into SF tree every single game. She feels impossible. Yeah, I mean as a plus anything the hero just
He just has too many tools. I guess like raises level one then what happens is when you hit level six
It's like a pretty massive power spike before like that extra three souls
I know it doesn't seem like much but make sure ulti do more damage. It makes your right clicks do more damage and
And overall like there's just too many
There's just too much
There's too much going on don't worry keep it up
I also feel like in the mid and late game SF against razors just good because at some point you hurricane pike the guy and
Then you're just hitting him for like 200 some damage from super range like you can't out range the razor and play against him a little bit
Too much. I think it works a lot
That's okay
They're okay.
Stables.
The combo with it that you would pick, tree and south, let's not talk about this.
Clockwork, that's the one, that's out.
So the next one up is Tusk.
Also out.
No Tusk is not out, but Warlock is out.
But for the SF safe lane, if you want to dominate the lane, it's like these three melee heroes
really.
I do want to say about Razer, interestingly to me, is that I came in being told, or Razer is like broken.
And now I'm seeing Razer winning with like, carry builds, basically.
Like, we've seen it now being carried by Nisha in the previous series, like, it's not the actual carry player, but they're building right click, rather than building
like, Reeves and Crimson and Pipe and stuff like that.
So maybe that was a bit of a phase because people just didn't know how to deal with it
and then they learned how to deal with it and then by proxy people just kind of stumbled
upon Razor being a good hero.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and I also think what makes a hero good is like, play options on the hero.
They like, sure, maybe we've discovered Razor is the best as an off laner, but it can play
mid, it can play carry.
discovered that Razor can play like a carry from the offlane, but it can go
oras. So if you're in a game where grouping up and building oras is gonna
win you the game instantly, then you can do that option. Yeah, it's but I do
agree that like the best option looks to be the carry Razor. It's kind of what it
used to be in the past, but it's just funny to me because like a year ago
Razor was in almost every game as a carry from the offlane or mid or carry
whatever and then it wasn't seen for a while and back then it was the other
Another facet too, like it was the one that gave you spell amp on your right click damage,
but now people are real...
I think the Thunderhead facet is just way too good for farming.
Yeah, that's especially stacks.
Uh, it's just super good for that.
I'm just kind of surprised it went underlord, I was expecting them to grab a Mars, but this
gives them way better area control.
Like having to fight into the pet-a-mouse can be one good solution against Razor, and
also allows you, when you don't see the carry matchup, you can just guarantee backup and
farm using the Demon, Cleave facet or whatever it is.
And it's also nice when you pick roots against Marcy because you can't even if Marcy herself is not rooted
She can't pick up teammates who are so you can't jump into the pit of mouse cuz you interrupted no
I'm saying like even if
Like I'm saying the person who's leashed in the pit of malice cannot be picked up that was not correct
What well we saw the drafts which ones were the same and wrong
but it had it was like a draft where there wasn't another Lord and
And an alargo and now both of them weren't in the game previews game
So that ignore that guys that was not this one. Thanks for keeping us honest shoes
Yeah, you can't pick up somebody from the underlord fruit
I'm saying if they are rooted if somebody's least or rooted in general. Oh, sorry to pick me up
But you get tossed them over your head. Yeah, yeah, but I understand
Yeah, that's a lot of what the support Marcy's about for sure for sure
And so you're basically just gonna jump into it. Yeah, okay
And I just have a state a lot of times in the past people would always
intentionally either buy an ethos or pick a route as a way to
Stop that stop that from happening. So I think that might be why they lean towards okay
Yeah, it's under water. I was a very mechanic. I do you think Falcons and in particular Amar would be a
Largo player like does that fit in his wheelhouse? No, I don't think so. That's a gigachat pick right there. Is that a carry omni?
Do you think?
I think so.
I don't think you'd go off lane Omni, because it's like, I think that's one of the few heroes
that would bully that.
And we screenshot of the draft.
I heard a screenshot.
Make sure that we remember.
This is the moment, Pepe.
Don't ever press that button on purpose, on the computer.
I do it all the time, yeah, I do it all the time.
I remember doing that once, and I was very frustrated when you do that, it screenshots
both screens.
Oh, no, what was that? What was that your second monitor?
She was there. I mean, I don't know what I used it for, but I had to
I used it to crop something and they had to crop very small. It was very fresh.
But that's the one time I use the steam screenshot feature.
Screenshot something for the loop.
No, I think I think I used the screenshield on the keyboard.
Oh, OK.
You should be three monitors. I want to get a third monitor that can watch
Mr. Bean 24-7 on the UPS on the upstairs monitor.
Mr. B, 24-7.
They're only like 12 episodes or something?
Yeah, so I'm gonna watch it 24-7.
Yeah, that's good.
Then I can repeat it the next day.
You used to watch it when you were kids, that's good.
I don't think I ever saw it.
I know who Mr. B knows, but...
High quality.
What?
I said I know who he is.
Yeah, well, I own this shoot, but you said...
There's a lot of free-wheel cars in that show.
Oh, surprise!
Owen Rattkinson, that's the guy's name.
Mr. B.
That is actual name?
Owen Rattkinson, yeah.
Mr. Rattkinson.
Mr. B.
Yeah.
I wanna say it.
Let's take a look at what we need for our final couple of picks, because even though we think that the Omni Knight is coming out as a hero for Skeeter, it's still some flex potential there, but it is Falcons that has to pick out of this phase.
So they're the ones that will decide, like, we'll reveal already everything there.
Then on the side of Xtreme, what we like, we already got the supports.
We even need a mid laner. It's pretty simple, actually.
Nothing to say here, which is why you see two of the strongest heroes
removed in the tinker and the primal.
They need initiator, for sure.
I assume they'll stick with something like Void Spirit or some jump.
There's still a good variety, but
I'm threatening you those heroes would have been annoying.
I just have the guttural feeling inside my guts.
It's just gonna be Puck-Emberg again on both sides.
The guttural feeling inside your guttures.
is deep feeling. Exactly where they belong. I think it's going to be, I think it's going
to be puck ember. Falcons will pick puck. You can get me and we'll go, oh, it's a great
ember pick. One good last game. Is he going to buy BKB this game? Probably. I think after
the trauma of last game. I think they need a harder lockdown on the extreme game inside
the number though. They need a stun because they don't have a lot right now. It's like
walrus punch or supernova exploding. Would you go for the DK then? Something like that
or what kind of sunny are you thinking?
Looks okay.
Or the storm.
If you're going to still stick with the spirits.
I think if the puck comes out, which is very likely to,
on account of the zero disables on extreme,
then here I suggest it definitely sounds great.
An instant void spirit.
We're both right.
Okay.
I mean, yeah, DK would have been, you know,
a puck counter, which is why I liked it,
but void spirit's the same thing.
It's a harder puck counter,
but maybe offers less lockdown in the game,
I would say, than a DK would.
I know nothing to say is playing Void Spirit,
but I have one thing to say.
Every time I watch this hero, it just sucks.
And I know that it's confirmation bias,
and there's a bit of like, it's 7-16,
so it's like, oh, I already believe that,
and then the win rate matches it,
but I just, have you guys in the night shift scene
of Void Spirit, like, pop off?
Yeah, there was one that popped off.
I can't remember who it was,
What was the build like did they have a cool build or probably a vessel into something like they've been going a lot of vessel
I've seen the vessel but I always I feel like past 15 20 minutes
I just see void spear like fifth or sixth on the net worth
Every time yeah, that's valid. I mean they're they're prioritizing
They're prioritizing getting short of 15 minutes that they can farm with the
But the either of them and then they're buying whatever items make sense whether it's you know
She was guard or you wills or acts eventually
Like hybrid utility. Well, I'm gonna remain a skeptic. Let's run say that
Void spirit has been underwhelming and I know the voids fear puck matchups kind of like a skill check and go either way
But I think you might have similar issues if he goes
Like a tanky build that he would last game and that's the type of build voids beard usually goes for he doesn't like to buy BKB either
So I think we might be in a little deja vu
Okay, so you're you're you're putting your your eggs in the falcons basket in the fucking nest not
Believing in voids, but yes the egg in the fucking nest. Yeah, okay basically the same thing
Under whiskered wicker vents both me. Yeah, I would I also see a wicker basket in my head. Yeah, how about you Jenkins?
What are you thinking?
Way my auspicious here. I'm gonna go ahead and say I feel like I
I feel like Omni Knight is a very good run at you fast carry and I don't think there's
much that extreme has to deal with an Omni Knight.
He's a Skeeter Omni Knight.
This guy is the king of playing fast and not really being a true carry.
He just runs at you.
Yeah, they're going to like dive the Shadowfiend at minute six or something, I feel like that's
what's going to happen.
If they can shut down the SF, they're going to have damage problems.
So that's otherwise Underlord and Void Spirit.
So, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know either.
I do know is on the course in the previous game we had a Kez and it didn't happen this
time round.
Someone's not on the ball there.
There was a Kez and there were a lot of sounds made this time, thank you, thank you.
This time round, there's a Phoenix on the side of Extreme, that's another good hero
right there that makes bird-like sounds as we're heading over to commentary droves.
Welcome to Game 2.
I feel a good one, Sindarin.
On the United Carry, baby, what's not to love?
And he's wearing the hideous outfit where you can't even see his face.
Because the hero is such a disgrace, Shannon.
a jesseract but you don't know what that means to ntern because you're a big old noob is that right
that is a movie reference or a show or a show it's both actually okay so and a book carry on the
media possible yep are you done yet okay okay i'm sure you're gonna interrupt me there carry on the
tonight leads to a Razor Marci Offlane. That's a lane I'm curious to watch here. Will Amar
on his Offlane Razor be able to beat the King of Laning? Shadowfiend.
No, I don't think so. Shadowfiend Phoenix to be specific. So if this were Shadowfiend
Tusk, I think the lane would actually be really interesting with like the whole Marci
can throw people back into Static Link and it's harder for Shadowfiend to raise Combo
when he's displaced, but with Phoenix,
I just don't know if Falcons can really make aggressive moves.
He's gonna get hit by fire spirits
and then SF can kinda just win the trade.
This could be an early jungle for Amar
if he's not careful.
Don't look at that though.
It's gonna be a jungle time, Syndra.
Okey-dokey.
Omni Knight carry it.
Yeah, tell me about Omni Knight carry.
We've seen it over the course of the last couple years.
kind of a lot of times it was off-lane when it was like super popular yeah it's
still played kind of like a carry mm-hmm is there any difference between those in
terms of builds yeah I think that the two common builds one is radiant and the
other one is to go phase into harpoon because you want to close the distance
between yourself and the target and go for a massive hammer of purity into
purification combo the rare thing about Omni Knight is that I think he's one of
I don't know if there's any other hero than him and Timbersaw that have two pure damage abilities.
There might be one more, but it's hard to come by.
And what this obviously does is it bypasses a lot of the Oramina, right?
If people have Types and Crimson and whatnot, on the night just smacks you anyway.
It hits very hard.
The Shadowfeet matchup is kind of tricky though. They expect it into it.
So knowing that, they maybe feel like it could be a potential solution with the, of course,
Guardian Angel working well against SF's right-clicks,
but there's still a lot of magical damage to this game. Phoenix, Underlord,
Void Spirit. So I think he's got his work cut out for him.
And if they...maybe this isn't even
consideration anyway, but they don't really have a nullifier here
on Extreme to be able to counter the Guardian Angel? That's the point.
Is it relatively...I mean you could bite on Void Spirit, to be honest.
It feels like a force though, doesn't it?
It's okay if you're rich enough, like you just...
After your first item plus X, I think Nullifier's third item is possibly...
Rich enough on Void Spirit, you say?
Yeah, the good news for nothing to say is he has shown the inability to buy defensive items,
so you can buy Nullifier earlier than...
First item perhaps?
Yeah, just... no.
Curious to see what he goes, and curious to see if that's live,
because this mid lane matchup, the matchup itself is good for Void Spirit,
But the heroes in the tournament, one of these is not like the other.
I think Puck is now almost, is it 20 and 3?
And Void Spirit has like a 33% win rate or something.
Yeah, last time we talked about Void Spirit, I was talking some shit, not gonna lie.
And I said exactly what he was saying, he said, I'm really smart,
that this hero just feels awful every time we watch it, it's terrible.
And I believe we cast the Lornaff, and he owned.
So let's see.
That's the one game we've seen where it looked really good.
And would you guess it? It's on Aurora who are doing really well.
I still can't believe that.
So is it the hero or is it the player?
Have Aurora lost the game yet?
Last I checked they haven't, but...
I'm gonna check. Even though they have, they have.
They are now...
They're 11 and 1.
And they drew with party vision.
Okay.
So...
Seems like we have a second dog in the...
We do actually. The top three of that group A is settled.
It's Aurora, Power Vision, and Liquid that's locked in, and the fourth slot is going to
either Betboom or OG who will play each other tomorrow, so that's going to be an exciting
series.
But OG has to 2-0, right?
OG has to 2-0 to get to play them again.
They need to 2-0 them to earn a Best of 3, I guess.
So that's effectively a Best of 5 if they win.
There's a lot on the line there.
My predictions are a big deal, Stinger.
Of course.
This is scary times.
on though in that mid lane 22 and 9 for the void spirit so nothing to say off to quite
a good start 18 and 5 for Mallory not a ton behind but definitely a bit for all those
void spirit lovers we'll see if nothing to say can do you proud it's funny because I
feel like the hero has been in kind of a I mean it continues to get picked which is
probably why it's not getting nerfed but it's felt underwhelming to me from like just watching
these professional games for a couple years, except for maybe a couple people that can
kind of be semi-consistent with it.
But like, conceptually, the hero should be great.
Just missing a little, I don't know.
I mean, ultimately, you're playing an assassin hero with a lot of mobility, and if other
assassin heroes just have more damage, a tag team doing quite a bit of work, not gonna
to go for Fy will take a few pop shots from the tower as he exits the premises.
This is an interesting TP for it. They might not expect this one. Pick me up.
The great rebound and the knife which is great against these fat heroes.
XXS goes down first blood to the carry as Snakey actually lives at the last
moment there. He's gonna use the strongman tonic. I think that was actually
unnecessary because yeah he has a raindrop that blocked all of the damage of
the ice shards. What a noob. It might not sound like the biggest of deals but
honestly this souvenir is really really good. The tonic you want to hold on to
for key moment and go for a surprise counter play. That's not available. As for
bottom lane, unsurprising. Shadowfiend is winning his lane. Woop dee doo. It was a
matter for me of how much his rays are gonna lose by. Why about 50%? He's losing by
quite a bit, so Amar will not be having as good of a time as he did last time.
Somehow gonna get the Lotus here though, but Amar gets rebounded and he should be
safe, takes a little residual damage from Ex Nova. I thought it was gonna at least
yard the Marcy there, I think they had a clean kill on Crit. They only go for the
big ones, Cinderan. I suppose, I don't know.
Now, Void Spirit hits level six prior to Malrin, this is where sometimes you see
Boardsburgs, try to go for the kill, the kill shot if they get any rotations, but
Hard to rotate on puck with Phoenix Tusk. These heroes just don't connect that well
You know what? You talked about Razor and the Laney. What do you think about mid to late game Razor versus Shaddafine?
What does that matchup sound like to you? It's we might have to hold that thought wisdom shrine timing
FY I mean there's a couple members of Falcons nearby though X Nova making his way over as well
Well, Amé hits a couple of raises, not enough to kill off Crit, but it is enough to secure
the wisdom shrine.
What about Top?
Are they going to bring help for X-XS or not?
Well, he's going to have to give that up.
So ends up being a trade in the end.
He gets whipped.
Something to run away and he will be safe.
The Razor vs. SF matchup is one of the harder ones for Razor in the mid-game because SF
just hits that hard that he can actually run you over, oh speaking of Amar.
Our gang is completely surrounded and taken out, so definitely a different story in this game, too.
However, in Eslipar as a Razor, the great equalizer could be Skidder, and that could be part of the pick here, is actually not for himself.
Maybe they're picking Skidder Omni Knight, so Amar can carry against Eslipar.
I mean, that's the thing.
That's how this team drafts them.
Do you really consider Skidder to be the carry? You know what I mean when I say that?
I know exactly what you mean. Some games they do that and other games they don't and I feel like this Omni Knight is a
Large part of it is to make razor better. That's how I see it
I think it's I guess the shield room that's really good in this engagement Exnova makes its way over as well rebound
Defensively, so foil expended
Of course Phoenix this game being played by Exnova. We've heard it earlier today on the panel
they've been talking shit about Phoenix 4.
Phoenix 5 has been doing great though.
Kaori, of course, has been the most stellar performer on it.
I believe he's 5-0 or 6-0 on Phoenix.
But other teams also having pretty good numbers,
especially on the 5th position.
So seeing that on X-Node right instead of FY,
probably what you want to see if you want the hero to win.
I wish we would see a little bit more for Phoenix.
Amar again.
Gotta get picked up.
The ball actually hits Amar.
they kill crit on the way to be from snaking a little late to make any sort of
difference. Amar's pretty damn low here.
I still, I don't know, I don't know about you, but I feel like Shadowfiend is
getting through way too many drops. Yeah and I, I'm looking at the lineup as you see
the astral step from nothing to say, and there's the box, but I think they say we'll
clean it up
singing a shadow thing against like the box because the box is really good say
but he has both magic and physical
feel like
secure that maybe doesn't care as much about it
Amar
he's dead again
on the bridge of death
down he goes
death number two for Amar
yeah so in classic falcons fashion even though they're getting kind of run over
here on and losing leading multiple kills they're not falling that far behind
of net worth it's pretty unreal but the razor is in the gutter here I think
razor having this bad net worth is infinitely better for extreme relative
to their underlord like they're the same net worth I think the roles these
heroes are going to play in the game this looks much much better for extreme
yeah as far as I'm concerned underlord just needs to get this one or two ours
and it's fine but I think if razor doesn't scale hard enough in this game I
I don't think Skitter is going to carry this game.
Well, we got the rebound of Popsicle SF.
He pops the Lotus, though, to die from X Nova.
He doesn't want to pop the Egg. There's a Requiem from the sideline.
Mission failed.
He tries to kill onto Crit.
And Amar is the third, or second, rather.
That's his third death, however.
Amar's confused. He's used to people dying to this.
Why is he still alive?
On Shadowfiend? Well...
Lotus-Diff, I guess.
Well, first of all, I don't even know if they couldn't kill him anyway.
They just... Razor isn't strong enough yet. He's level 6 with treads.
Yeah, he's got that neutral as well to help out a bit.
Very, very weak here.
I see the attempt here now. I don't blame them for trying this. It looks... feasible, but...
Yeah. Did he even use his neutral?
No, it doesn't.
He didn't even use his own neutral.
Yeah, great start.
Wait, how... Am I a trebbing?
Do they have a Pavus? They don't.
Didn't he get a physical barrier? Maybe that's a replay bug or something.
It's like, what else would have given him the barrier there?
Yeah, I don't know.
Anyway, he lived.
The end.
Good story.
Top tower's gonna fall here, courtesy of Siege Wave, plus Omni,
and Falcons are going to try to take some initiative here with a smoke to mid.
If it were to hit, you would really, really like to kill Phoenix before Sukunova goes off,
because your lineup is not that good at killing the Egg until Marcy hits six.
Or Razor hits critical mass, as we know.
Smoke from Falcons.
Let's see where he went if they want to go with this.
Yeah.
Unless they let him in there.
They make the clock to rebound used to try to bait the Void Spirit,
signless up, and there's the coil to secure the kill.
Mission accomplished.
Nothing to say.
Very good bait and switch.
Yeah, they needed him to go to that room for him to die.
So they were baiting him up and nailed it.
They're getting the mid tower.
Might as surprising, honestly, given how this game has gone so far
that Mal'Reen managed to get that this low already.
Is there anything Puck can't do?
Die apparently.
Ah, fair.
I died once last game.
And it will be a Midas choice for Amar, so that is his comeback mechanic.
Yep.
Thank you for inspiring all the pub players Amar, that's what I see in a lot of my pub
games.
If you lose your lane miserably, just buy Midas and go jungle, and this guy might be
one of the reasons why people do that.
Now, he doesn't do it to grief his team though.
He does it because he understands the game
and has a plan.
And he's just better than you.
Also very true.
He is better than most.
Some might say he's better than everyone.
There's been times where that is definitely the case.
There's been tournaments where it's been undeniable.
That's clear.
I mean, that's been the biggest strength of Falcons over the years, is their flex potential, the heroes that they play had seemingly always been in the meta.
Or even if they're not, they'll just bring them out and still win with it, so you have to ban these certain amount of heroes that could be shared amongst the three cores.
And I think across all of the tournaments, this team has won. I think all of their players have been the best player in the position, at least twice.
It's a very specific number.
It's kind of crazy to think about though, right?
When you look at the longevity of this game and how players come and go, having all five
players on a roster arguably just play the best in their position for so long.
On and off, they're not always the best.
We're gonna get another one here.
We're a little bit out of line there.
Nashville's definitely from nothing to say.
We love Wonder not doing a ton.
X-XS fights the dust, nothing to say, we'll eventually get the Shrine.
The other one was secured, I believe, by Falcons, so it ends up being a trade.
Okay, so I believe Quinn was talking about these Void Spirit builds being bad, right?
Skill builds.
No, itemizations.
Oh, I thought he was also talking about the skill build, that people went like one, two, two, and he said that's not a build.
Yeah, that as well.
But also he said going for Agon and Scepter feels like basically all the other builds are better.
Then Ags.
Yeah.
Okay.
I know, sorry, it wasn't Quinn.
It was no one, actually.
Oh, he said Ags is bad.
He didn't say it was bad necessarily.
It's that if you have to buy Ags on Void Spirit,
then you lose too much damage, essentially.
I see.
I could see that.
It's like, it's very tempting
because you're like two resident pulse chargers.
Sounds amazing, but it doesn't do that much damage.
You pay 4,200 for it.
There's a lot of other build paths
that absolutely make you more of an assassin.
It's obviously extremely good against Puck, though.
Yeah.
What Kupak players have been doing also in this tournament is buying DKB as their defensive item against this Void Spirit
because then you counter Remnant and two pulses and a potential Eul's with one item.
If you buy a Eul you can still get silenced again when you come out so possibly just better off like this.
There's a world where that's a good thing that you're forcing him to buy DKB but at the same time...
At the same time he's poxing better than you.
It's just really good in this game in general.
I can't remember the last time there was a tournament where a hero had that win-loss on a core position.
It's kind of ridiculous to me.
X-X-X is going to avoid...
Nope.
No, he's not.
Stairs into the belly of the beast.
I wanted to have underlopes there into the abyss.
Starting in Angel, Walrus Punch does cancel the TP, Requiem to follow.
Ame with a very big kill.
And he's going for the Hybrid as I felt here.
Yeah, he's going to fight though. They come in with a vengeance.
Snaking takes him out swiftly and a coil still available onto nothing to say
Knife connects as well
It's up to the simulate actual step to the north
very low
He might be in a way. Wow nicely done. He's good. I was a clean escape
You have to use everything in this kit there and you just use resonant pulse
Lotus and jump to narrowly survive and then get to that escape angle. So nicely done. Yeah
I was going to say, Ami is going for the Hyperdiss of Built, that we've seen also from Watson,
where you go the Kaisange into Blink, and then go right-click.
Probably inspired by the fact that he's against Omni Knight, he doesn't want to over-expose
himself to get countered by the Guardian Angel.
This hero doesn't like Magnolifier because it requires you to come too close.
You like to play on range, you like to go Dragon Lance into Pike as well as part of your
right-clicking build.
It looks like Blink BKB.
Yeah...
I mean...
I'm a little bit torn because on one side I get it against Omni, but on the other...
Are you just giving Razor a free in into the game like this?
By not overwhelming him with physical damage?
Because you know for a fact, Amar is good at BKB.
I do a lot about this.
And sure, GA can be a problem, but it's not the easiest ability to use effectively on Omni Knight.
The AoE isn't that big, he needs to be kind of close to cast it.
Let's see.
I am kind of leaning that he should have gone heavy right-click
and then they can buy a nullifier on someone like Underlord or Void Spirit.
I think I would have liked that better.
Because either way, if you're like, oh, I'm gonna get killed, he's cooking out.
Oh yeah, he gets jumped real hard.
Purification and the right-click suffice, but the reinforcements arrive.
Crit is going to tick out. That's all they get. That is not good news for exchange.
Back to Alreen has come.
Oh, good reach for show.
The ag is activated. Now, coil in retreat.
But, see the Guardian Angel trying to keep Malarreen alive. Nothing to say. Had a nice Aether remnant.
Link is... Actually, no, wasn't. Has used the waning Rift. Still has the Urnified as well.
Sunrise is doing so much damage. Another phase shift.
Aether remnant, but it's tanked by Skeeter.
It's off the purification. That's enough to kill off at why
Crucial mistake there from extreme they chase puck this here. Can't die. Don't bother
Better off just killing the other heroes and saying well then puck next game
Better off
This hero is gonna start making the bandless. I I'm sure like this
Generally when you're like halfway through a tournament, that's when people start looking more and more at the stats
I would say in the experience of previous events that you start seeing okay
There's some anomalies either good or bad and then they get bumped up or down and people try to understand
I think the sample size for me is big enough
And it's various teams. It's not just two or three teams exploiting and being like wow
These are the best teams and they play puck therefore it has amazing winery being played across the board and it's running a lot
And it's always easier even if there are counters and you can beat it
It's just easier to be like, imba, ban, and then not worry.
But hey, there's other problems. There's a lot of good heroes right now.
Gotta find the solutions. Time for Torm.
Stream, are they? I mean, they are sitting in the neighborhood. They have everything ready except Supernova for 20 seconds.
That's kind of a big cooldown to have if this fight were to break out right now.
You really want that egg to just place in the middle of the Tormenter area.
Even if you die, at the very least, you serve as a lot of vision and distraction for the Marcy in particular.
But, seems like they've bought enough time with this smoke.
Alright, trying to position himself to be annoying.
Broke the smoke on all five heroes.
Sure did.
They know that they're not going for Tormentor quite yet.
Rain, coil to open it up, into the Sunray, and the egg, the Wheel of Wunder is placed as well, but Armaid dies immediately.
Terrible start for Extreme.
Sunray's doing a decent amount of damage, but now X-Nil that has to dive away can see nothing to say.
Focusing on Skeeter, that gets the double silence of the Agonist Scepter, gets the kill.
Two for two, and now X-X is kind of running out of steam, gets off one more pit of Malice,
but the right-clicks from Amar are starting to be quite fearsome.
Double kill for him.
Malorraine.
I need to chase more away.
Not sure if he's be able to get much more out of this.
Problem for Falcons is, even though they win this fight,
don't think they can go for Tormentor right now.
They stole the wisdom, though. That's still really nice.
They stole the wisdom. They killed Amé again.
This is the problem when you go this build on SF,
is that the amount of pressure that's on you, I personally think it's just completely out of position here.
Like, you cannot have SF be in front there, and now Tosk about to save and get silenced by Poc really nice heads-up play from Mal'Reen, but to begin with,
if you think about the map right now, one team is expected to go to Torm, which is Dire, because they have the tower and they're already set up clearly.
Why is SF the first point of contact between the Torm and the enemy team?
Like, that is just, that just can't be right.
Especially when you're going this build. If Ami had the BKB build where he's right-clicking, they can jump him, he can BKB and turn around with this, he gets 100 to 0.
He needs to stay in the backline, let his teammates build the fight, send in the Underlord, let the Void Spirit jump, make some chaos, and then you can blink right for him.
Oh boy.
Not like this.
I thought he had to act in step for already, and nothing to say. He did not, and he will not for a bit more.
Phew!
And what do you know? The prophecy of the Brian Slamman banana is coming true again.
Void Spirit 6th on net worth. Easily 6th. I mean this is pretty commonplace.
The Offlane Razor that was shut down is now dwarfing him by 2k with his Midas.
And now Amar has BKB. Now he's gonna go Dagger.
And yeah, we're now seeing Ame build toward that BKB.
The problem that I have with this now is, this is the issue that I have with this hybrid
build on SF.
And it doesn't mean it's always bad, and we've seen games from Watson, for example,
it works great.
You really need to know your limits when you're going this build, because the margin for error
is smaller, and the cost of dying is so big on this hero.
You're generally going to be high net worth, your hero is very momentum based, and if you
You go this build and you're in front lining and you die two or three times.
Every reason you bought these items is already lost.
It's not good anymore.
What are your targets for this Requiem?
BKB Razor, Puck, and On the Knight with Repel.
You're not killing anyone, right?
So what do you have to splink Dasha Kaia for then?
Could have had Dragon Lens, BKB, Mask of Madness now.
And then anybody in your team, you have setup stuns, you have Void Spirit Tusk, Underlord
Pit of Malice.
You just stand in the back line, hit like a truck, force out GA, and if you out kite
the GA then all of a sudden you're a huge threat.
So, hasn't really worked out this time.
Based on what you've been saying, Shadowfiend, the way it's been played is, you're abusing
the hero that is super strong right now, but if you're not gonna build it that way, what's
the point?
Ex Nova picked off by Mal'Rain.
5K lead for Falcons, and I have to think that Roche is gonna be on the menu here pretty
soon. BKB available now. This has to hit for Xtreme. Wait for Phoenix. Oh you're losing
the Aegis though. Insult to Injure. You finally hit the timing the Shadowfiend has needed
for a while and you can't even use it anyway to get an objective because guess what, Falken's
has taken everything that's valuable on the map already. Aegis looks to be going to the
Omni, made of freed up a slot at least. Nope, Malrin took it from him, unlucky skater, maybe next time you get to carry this team.
Rosh bashed him there, that's why.
Malrin with a coil trying to bait out a BKB, but Omni patiently.
Omni baits out a couple of TP's, Fyre with a walrus punch, beams gate applied as well, and Omni way is XXS, they take out Crit.
Marnell. Static links the genics for a bit. Now gets hit and malished.
Boxed as well, still rooted up though. Takes the Requiem, that's going to be a dead Amar, so a double kill for Amé.
Showing some signs of life.
Might have died to the box there, ironically.
Perhaps he could have got BKB off in time, but comes out into the fear.
If something, it's quite decent for Xtreme, and if nothing else, they finally get something
going, which also holds some intrinsic value, just having a successful play so you feel
like not everything is just going wrong consistently.
And Void Spirit, with the axe as you said, he is now working on BKB, talk about low damage
build that no one doesn't like people doing on this hero. This is about as low of a damage
build as you can do. Not upgrading the urn, then going aggs, and then going bkb. But hey,
nothing to say might have PTSD from last game and be like, I don't want my team to blame
me for not buying bkb as the reason we lost and now they get what they asked for.
Yeah, I guess.
Yeah, I guess, just wanna wait and look at it.
Oh, really they're asking him to buy yules.
Heh heh heh heh, I don't know.
Speaking of BKBs, Skeeter, two ways to get magic or uh, what is it called now?
Debuff immunity?
Debuff immunity, rolls right off the tongue.
It's actually kinda nice to put that on Marcy.
Now that you have BQB for yourself, putting Rapelle on Marcy, she uses it exceptionally well as a support.
Gets in there, hits the crap out of her.
He likes to play, doesn't it?
Also good, but Puck can't die anyway.
He's playing Rift, that's true.
And has Aegis.
And Fly gets purified.
It's going to be a Shadow Fiend Shadow Blade game.
Yeah.
So now he's going to go the right-click angle.
I'm going to go for the Silver Edge, we've seen this popularized recently.
A player that stands out to me buying it the most has been Satanic.
Getting it for the added damage as well as the movement speed capping, which is quite
good against a hero like Razor, that heroes very much based around free movement and fights.
She can counteract it to an extent with his items, but if you're on cooldown, we'll get
I'll try to backstab as that shadow blade.
Well that would be a big hit, but again the puck has to be on his end of the century.
He sure is.
Got the puck once.
Life number one gone.
Felt like bait though, but they're going to back off cleanly on extreme.
Peter wants to finish the tower, Malarine will do it.
Falcons will walk away with this 4k lead intact.
success with that agonist after doing exactly what he needs to do can initiate
global range so just go to the side lanes push them out jungle a bit he's very
high level say on level 19 at 28 minutes as an off-laner not bad he's two
and a half levels ahead of a mar so is that level 20 talent gonna matter a
a lot, we'll see.
I imagine if this was the Old Midas.
Only at NMR would be level 18 for sure.
19 maybe.
I guess 19.
It's my blink dagger.
Yeah, he's curing it up at least.
If I can see him do the S and Y as well, he likes that item a lot on Razor sometimes,
instead of Manta.
Or does he already have it? Oh, he already has it. It's my mistake.
Time for a backstab, perhaps. Mal-Rain.
Now, Xtreme have an interesting ward here by the gate, so they're gonna see some movement.
Doesn't look like they're gonna put it to any use though. Both teams as a matter of fact now with a ward at the gate.
Nobody getting caught.
Mal-Rain, he does find
The potential casualty, we look wonder, way off the mark, Ami has to pop the BKB, going
for the Requiem, he's just gonna die, my goodness.
He was completely alone in the middle of the map.
Nobody around him to save him, nobody around to combo with, begs the question, what was
the plan?
Enemy jungle?
I don't know, I don't know, it's like...
Do you know what I mean if I say that just never happens to say Tannick?
Yeah.
It just doesn't. Like, he's just not there.
So, definitely something to work on here.
So Tannick is a different breed.
He is...
He's a complete...
Pretty much for me, the golden standard right now.
At least...
In the running.
He's had a few tournaments where...
That's not showing to me.
It's not always the best, but...
He's in currently, he is.
I think it's...
On an individual level, I would look to him.
Uh, on the carry position.
Yeah, I don't disagree.
As much as I'd love to.
Alright, well, nothing to say has his BKB now,
and he can stay based on the net worth.
The Shadow Fiend not being on top is bad news for me.
That's very, very bad news.
But perhaps X-XS can pick up the slack.
He's like, if you're not going to go right click,
I'll do it for you.
Gets the AC on Underlord.
And now queuing up three battle theories.
And he's going to cleave everyone to death.
What's he actually getting?
BKB.
Boring!
Feels needed, though.
Yeah, really, it's just kind of just against puck.
yeah
a little bit of wheel of wonder action
member number five
actually kind of a weird game for bkb it feels kinda
it's ironic to be all three course by this game and then not last
well it's very good against omni now they had a talking to it
it's just against omni
wait is the purificator the
pure damage doesn't go through
no i see
um
we're just having this discussion in the green
So yeah, so pure damage is really weird in the wording.
Basically, when you BKB, you get immunity to pure and reflected damage.
But there are pure damage abilities that pierce deep off immunity, and they work.
Omni Knights, two pure abilities, do not pierce.
So BKB against Omni, very, very good.
He hits very weak.
But he's not the only problem.
That's the thing here, like, yeah, you're buying BKB against Omni Knight,
he's not even the carry of the game.
Yeah, statically, like, just go right through it.
It feels like Falcons have free carries of the skater, and the skater is top net worth, which I would say nowadays is not necessarily even a common sight for this team, so he is definitely one of the bigger threats, but the puck and razor propose equally problematic situations for them.
They're going to smoke and look for something here, Xtreme, they just want to get some sort of fight on their terms, but Falcons with very good placements on the map.
Crit, pops, immediate die.
Now about 1500 away from his agonist scepter, nothing to say, trying to focus them.
That nice repel and the guarding angel on the crit, he's going to survive as a result.
Coiled used as well, and Amar not afraid of anybody.
Pops the BKB and his ult, Amar is the target.
Skeeter is there as well.
Amar dead to start this fight.
They do lose Skeeter and Amar right afterwards.
So nothing to say showing his worth along with X-X-S
as the chase is now on Mal-Reen.
He'll get away.
He's good to go, but very good fight for a shame despite losing their carry.
That was a surprising amount of damage.
I think that caught them off guard on Falcons as well.
How long is it took to take down and how much damage came out there?
Look at this breakdown.
It's the whole squad.
They're all doing good damage.
It's the Underlord AC coming into play.
It's the Void Spirit.
standing next to Underlord, just dealing that little bit of extra damage.
Aether in the town, the hulshabang, like all of it adds up. Phoenix has a good fight too.
You're gonna see the replay here. So, Repel GA have already been used, and this is important
because now you don't have GA for Razor. This is what I talked about earlier.
If you want this ability to cover your Razor, he's gonna run in and he's actually gonna take meaningful damage here.
Recklimb going out as well. Ami will eventually die, but again, Hat Skitter and Amar had GA there.
I think Falcons win the fight. So having to use that early and it expires or is it really upset. Yep
Don't you look at that it's the lane of parents indeed. Where did that go? That's how it goes. You have AC
Push pretty fast. Well, what's it gonna cost them? We love wonder at least one. Yes, they will find the fatty
That is well worth it though. That's a big
Timer as well on the death
Yeah, let's still all actually I say that there's both poor man Roche. Let's see what Falcons want to try to do with this
Still that he hasn't bought back anything right no, he's very high level till the 22
Yeah, it's more they don't know that he doesn't buy bags. Oh, that's true. Yeah, they might force the objective in escape there
Roche belches freely. Yeah, it will end up being a freebie for Falcons
That was still a very good proof of concept for Extreme of what they can accomplish if they force GA.
And in future fights, hopefully for them, Ami is going to deal harder damage.
He's finally starting to get to work on this Daedalus.
Of course, Satanics are going to start coming into play too, so Razor working on his.
And this again, this is part of the price that you pay on Shadowfiend when you go this build,
when you go blink yasha kai on the safe lane sf you get a later datalus you get
a later satanic and he would love to have satanic
how these fights are fun
so how much damage can top and zoo this ages or do they just want farm like they
usually do don't exactly the best high ground team
Yeah, probably buildings without a razor axe, for example, which would be a very late game.
Yeah.
I guess the shard.
Yeah, generally, I think what they might do is just let Puck step-by-step poke a little bit at the racks.
Or the tower, but all the tier 3s are full HP, and it's going to take forever.
It's under the top, it's under the top.
Looks like A.C.'s on the menu for Skeeter now.
I assume Amar is working on his refresher, that is definitely the case.
After Satanic, that's the go-to.
Double ult, double Satanic, double B.C.B.
Now Rain also wants his refresher.
So you talked about the Daedalus for Aame, nothing to say.
Sheva's 1700 into that and I mean X-XS is pretty far away from anything but she
wants to go Lincoln's static link yeah you must deal with razor or shadow
theme don't blame them they cut by two of them are they actually going to no he's
going she was on void spirit I think that's better as well they need some
more damage but wouldn't mind seeing a secondary Lincoln's if they could somehow
get it to just put on Ami when the fight starts to not get him linked. It's a really big part of
playing against Razor in the late game, especially when he hits 25. It's not just, he steals,
the amount of damage Razor steals per second is so ridiculous when you consider it steals
damage and attack speed. Like the math on that, having a link for 5 seconds on the enemy carries
just like just like you just stole 10,000
completely insane
that's second talent for 25 it just
doesn't seem equal to me that's because
it isn't okay and there's many talents
like that in Dota where the balance is
very far off between the two choices
Valve have done a good job over the years in making it more interesting and introducing
new ideas, but it's also hard.
And it does less damage in the second one.
Yeah, I think it's 30% reduced.
If it was full damage, would that matter?
Would people go for that?
It's good, but the other one's just better most of the time.
I have the opinion when it comes to Dota that there's very, very few times where I will
say something is always the case.
You can mostly be creative and find an idea and find a reason for getting it once in a while.
There's just some talents where the... too niche.
It's like 99 to 1.
Malorraine wants to pop this smoke.
Walrus punch the start things out and that is a dead crit right off the back.
It gets snatching too, probably.
In the pit of Malus, as XXX beans gates his way over, pops the pipe, and eventually...
I think he's actually staying alive a little bit longer.
Mal'Rain doing a good amount of damage, but it's not enough to really stop this fight.
Two for one special, not bad.
Keep in mind you're playing against Aegis, so you're just wasting away the time on that.
Falcons, if they wait for all heroes to be alive, will effectively have accomplished more or less nothing with the Aegis.
They didn't even get a farm lead from it.
So, all they did was deny it from Extreme.
So the one thing they'll have left to show is a banner, which interestingly is still in the backpack of Puck.
I probably want to give that to us a more.
Perhaps they, the cores, other than the Void Spirit is a slight discrepancy, it's very close.
Yep.
That is a good sign for some heroes more than others.
You would still like to have your Shadowfiend, I would say, about a couple of thousand at least ahead at this point, if you could.
But...
Now we're reaching the interesting point in the game where I feel like Void Spirit 6 on Network is actually still not that bad.
Once you reach certain breaking points, it's going to be big for him to get 25.
I mean usually at this, I feel like, an almost evil game, his farm would be 15-16k.
That's like...
You're down 2k.
That's...
It's okay.
At this point the hero does a lot with the gold that it has.
It's like, it's very effective net worth once he finishes his Shiva's Guard.
He does a lot of damage, he's very tanky, he's super annoying, hard to catch, sets things up.
He's kind of like a puck just worse.
But hey, the fact that we've been thinking about Puck means he's good.
That's true.
Speaking of, Malarine hits 25, so...
I mean, this is just another example.
Look at the 25 talents on Puck and tell me what you would pick.
Come on.
Yep.
You've been choice.
0% win rate.
Okay, the 18% on the left must have been a misclick.
Misclicks, guys.
Maybe that's games where Puck reached level 30, so I got both.
I'm not even joking.
I don't know if that counts, if it adds those up.
I feel like that shouldn't count then.
I kind of can't believe a fifth of the games have had the left talent taken.
If it counted, that means every level 30 puck lost, right?
Is that what that would mean?
Oh, actually, yeah, you're right.
I don't think it is the case though.
Okay.
Hit of Malus Root, a good juicy one.
We're not going to be seeing the Gleipnir though, unfortunately for XXS.
he has to go for team items. I'm sure he's sad about that. Everybody loves to see the
huge pits. They end up not being circular. Have you noticed that? They look more like
ovals when they, when you get Glypnir. Do they? Maybe I'm, I don't know if I've noticed.
Maybe I'm misremembering. I mean, I'm just going to say they absolutely are circular
because you just make the radius bigger. Yes. But they might look oval to you. I can't
just prove that
but they are not part of the classes
time for wisdom
so the best thing dota does for
school is teaching you the table of sevens
i look at this on the basis twenty five is the shadow rays attack so
now the box does absolutely nothing against them
for the most part
true and
he just got a lot more
with the Daedalus in hand.
So I'm taking it hard. I'm curious about his next itemization.
So he's got 4200 gold. This is where you can start thinking about
are you going to replace the blink now and go into more right-click with Satanic, for example?
Or are you going to go butterfly?
Or are you going to upgrade your dagger into a swift blink?
I think that's probably the worst of the options I mentioned, probably, in this game.
I don't think the blink really does that much for him anymore.
I would like to see him just leaning fully into the right-click again.
This is feeling like an extreme late game finish is what we're gonna see it could
It is so slow paced all of a sudden neither teams in a rush. Yeah, it's all about okay when is Roche
All right, let's just farm both sides. Nobody touch each other
Yeah, I'm in Roche
Spawns we go for it. Extreme are looking to violate that ceasefire right now
They don't know that Roche isn't up. He could be spawning now
But it is a very long spawn close to a three minute crit with the a on this interesting build on Marcy
I don't know you see a lot
But he wants to be the first point of contact and then he wants to force staff or jump out maybe get repelled
Also, it's the idol of Screeok for some evasion
Say that item again. Nope
Fair enough though, you read your lore, you know who Screeok is that's good
Oh, FY, runs into Mal-Reen, or is it the other way around?
The spoil is expended just for him.
Yandas already procs, Ami now on the run, it seems.
Snowball onto the creeps.
FY, not gonna be able to blink.
Unleashes activated.
Crit does finish the job, so...
After all that time, the support dies.
And yeah, they're checking for Roche, but again, very late spawn.
So with that luck, Xtreme will get a secondary chance at contesting it without using the
Vivek.
If they don't randomly get caught now, oh that's a good rune for him to find.
He didn't BODLE it though.
On NTS, that would have been a really good one to save, because now it's going to expire
before Tusk gets here.
Tommy is indeed going satanic.
Could buy it now.
Then you won't have Biobank.
You also won't have Biobank if he sells Blink.
Still not enough.
Oh, what actually?
Is he going this way with Blink?
Well, it would be fitting for how much I've criticized
Extreme's itemization today that I list three options
and say this is the worst one.
And then I'll say one more time.
Oh, man, the egg actually goes off.
But do they have the right place to get through it?
Oh.
Absolutely 60 seconds of no Phoenix, nothing to say.
Astral steps to base, now we're in a 5 vs 4 situation, again, Roche not up, and Falcons
will be hogging that Roche pit, because they're like, mathematically, it could be spawning
any second, but they're about as unlucky as they can be.
There's a theoretical possibility, but yeah, of course, Xtreme don't know this, so they're
looking to contest a Roche that isn't there.
This is a choice of 4v5 though, this is very dangerous, they get a bad angle.
They're going to lose on numbers. They're looking to try to get a Mar here.
They might just pull it off if they get a blink punch.
They're going to get the punch, and they're going to get the kill. Huge kill for Extreme.
90 seconds, and that aligns nicely for Roche.
The damage of those razors, that is the upside to still having the Yasha Kaia here when you get the 25 Talon.
The damage of the razors is insane when you can reliably get them off in situations such as that one.
And now you get the agents that was a massive fine. You say that now. We'll see what malrin has to say about it
Oh, yeah, true. They could steal it, but they're they're not gonna win a fight
It's not sure without the race, right? They're missing 25 came at work and his abilities
Doesn't look like they're gonna give it a shot
So extreme. Yeah, really really very ballsy move that paid off in spades. That's why sometimes you got to take risks
When it works, it's great.
And that should be the Swift Blink now for Ami, so okay.
What I'm thinking here is part of the reason that he might hang onto this dagger, instead
of going more into the right click, is that he wants to trust that he can land these raises
for really quick bursts.
Arguably, I don't think the burst is a lot slower if you have four points in Feast of
souls and you just pop that with all your attack speed at this point and the AC near you but
with that swift blink
definitely oh look at this we're gonna get the tormentor so Skeeter will get a free shard
it's the double purification it's pretty bad now it's a lot better earlier in the game
The second purification is about 2-3.
Alright, it runs right into Skeeter Skeeter.
Will TP though?
No record?
No, it's too late.
Oh, it's too late.
He didn't recognize what's going on.
Now he just wants to cosplay RTC.
He was hoping so badly that he hit...
The Prince.
Yeah, he definitely has the right set to claim to be King of the Hill with that crown.
The irony of the Uncrowned King picking the one set on SF that has a crown is not lost on me
Just wishes he picked that instead of juggernaut
That was I mean, I'm glad falcons one, but still it's a sad way to go
And get a comfort like literally a hundred percent counter by neutralized
Yeah
That has changed though. It feels like a lot of the time every TI most TI's have that one story, right?
There's like something and Ami has been a part of some of those stories
But there's always like one or two items or one or two heroes or whatever. That's just ridiculous
Yeah, and ends up playing a much bigger role than it has any business doing
But obviously valve will never patch the game in the middle of the tournament unless it's a flat-out just exploit or bug
Is that a bug?
No, it was working as intended. It was just unfair. I'm just kidding. Okay. Sorry. It's hard. It's it's hard with you
We've talked about this earlier today. You have to prove to me that
You're worthy of okay, not being questioned in the punch hook
From TI3. Yeah, also wasn't a bug not a bug
It's a fine line between a bug in the future a lot of bugs become features in fact
Part of me does miss the global hook though. I know that it should not be in the game,
but they created some moments, no doubt.
I could also argue that Flak Cannon with what's it called, drinking buddy shouldn't
be in the game, but it's not a bug, it's just stupid.
I mean, that seems fine to me.
It's just stupid.
I mean, flat cannon should be Gyro's ult if we're being completely honest.
His ult is like his worst spell.
Give him a call down as a basic ability.
Or be kind of, blst, that'll be crazy.
Or just put Chipper in the game, Cinderella.
Sounds like a movie reference.
I know it's a current one, don't worry.
I've never seen it though.
It's now an item.
Or it's now the...
Chipper.
The passive item.
Chipper's vest.
Shout out to Val for that.
That is easily the best clear one neutral item in the game by the way.
Not even close.
Was that a 50-50 split on the 25 talent for Razor?
Can I get that back up on the screen please? I don't believe what I just saw.
Oh, 0% win rate for both? Okay, that makes sense.
That is not true.
No Razor has ever gotten level 25.
Well, I'm just literally one last game with the left top.
So it's just not updated, if nothing else.
And when Razors get to this point, they are so scary.
It's interesting that we've gotten to this point where we're seeing Razor a decent amount,
and Agz is just not in consideration at any point until extreme laking where you just cannot upgrade anything else.
Why is that? Did they change something that I can't remember?
I mean, so good for push like you talked about them not having pushing not that they have been in position to do so
But there's a chance it might be slightly underrated
It's like it makes sure I have the storm hit two targets, right?
But the thing is how often in fights is that relevant generally razor is be lining for one guy and he's gonna kill him
So if the if the secondary part of it isn't that valuable and you're only picking it for pushing. That's a very expensive
pushing item
4200
It is good for pushing, but you want to max out your inventory first you can win the fight so you can get in the position to push in the first place
He just expires absolutely no use for army
except for farming
You have a good eye
I think you have a much better eye than I do for when games are gonna go super long
I feel like when you call it your success rate is much higher than mine probably confirmation bias, but I'll see it's all those turbo games
that makes or it's more absolutely no sense actually it's more revolved around
falcons just sure wanting to push well here we go they're gonna smoke now that
ages has expired they're looking for trouble and the ages was just taking up
a valuable slot an extreme are reading them like a book they're gonna scurry
away in their base and they just taunting them I dare you to come high
ground. Yeah, fuck this line of pushes like an absolute trash. Unless.
And then they got Axe on Razor. Axe on Razor is a way to do it, which is why Amar is now
queuing up Blink Dagger. So why do you think they didn't do anything with this Aegis?
Because they live in the moment and they love playing Dota and they just want it to never
You think they're planning for Tier 5?
I think there's security in that.
I doubt it.
I don't think the team's really ever planned for that.
Have you ever seen a pro game with a curio in Tier 5?
No.
That is probably the correct answer.
It's probably never existed.
I mean, it is the correct answer because I have never seen one.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
You gotta be more specific then.
As it ever happened, it's not the same as have you ever seen Sunset Tree.
It's on 2.
Let's rewind a bit, okay?
Do you think it's ever happened?
Why are you asking me again? I already told you.
I haven't seen it.
Wow, that sounded just like me.
I don't like something about it.
I have not seen it.
Alright, would you look at that, Exnova is farming the right side of the map on Phoenix.
We have reached that point.
Oh, here we go.
Come on, guys, wrap it up.
It's so even.
This is not like one of those 20K Leeds Falcons who are just sitting on it like an egg.
Yeah.
They're in a hatch.
Who's Archenai?
Who are you?
Now is the time that we need to guess the game time.
If we see no kills here.
Oh, no.
Your horse is cindering.
Hold on there, cross the cliff.
That's kinda cool.
really eventful time to hide. Back to the passivity of the game. Alright, give me...
Alright, one of us has to give a first guess at the game time when it ends, and the other one has to be off by at least 5 minutes from that guess.
Do I need to guess first? Sure. 72 minutes. Okay, I'm going to say 62 minutes. Wow.
Optimistic, are we? I think the tier 5s are going to come up. Okay. People are going to get them.
But they're just not as good as they used to be, Shane, so it's not going to matter.
Like, how's that gonna change it?
No, because they're gonna...
These pro players...
Okay, I'm gonna offend a lot of pro players.
They're idiots.
Okay.
That...
I don't think anyone would take offense to this.
They...
They don't understand tier 5 items.
Okay.
They don't play turbo mode.
That's true.
They do not understand the aficionados out there that play turbo.
Yeah.
So...
They think they're still good.
That's why...
Oh, so they're gonna try C.
Yes.
They're gonna...
They will be fooled by their own hubris.
What tier 5 items do you think they would need to get to not think?
they're good. Like what options? Let me look at them again. Like how bad of a lineup of
neutral items do you think they get before they're like this doesn't matter? Four Rift
Shadow Prisms? I mean they'll get options so they'll never pick that. Yeah Rift Shadow
Prisms. I haven't seen that in the game yet. I mean Spider legs is solid depending on the
hero. Stygian Desolator obviously. At least on your team. Yeah. The zoom blood ride completely
dependent on what hero you're playing.
Good on Puck.
Very good in general.
They love Book of the Dead.
I think this is a completely overrated item.
Okay, personally.
Divine Regalia.
I think it's completely overrated because it's always dead.
You're always gonna die once with this, then you're useless for the next 10 minutes.
Decent where they just don't.
Minotaur horn.
Two seconds.
Meh.
Uh-huh.
I mean, these are very underwhelming now, I have to say.
Okay.
It didn't even mention Fallen Sky.
It wasn't worth it.
Why would I bother?
Okay.
Everybody has a blink anyway.
push the towers
you have very slowly I think if Falcons get five Fallen Skies they might try to
take a lane of racks
those don't stack though surely they just take turns
oh I see Fallen Skies blink out they can do five book of the deads then it's
maybe okay
yeah then XXS just kills himself a firestorm
alright we got another Aegis let's go
no Falcons do anything with it let's go
the thing that I'm shocked by by the way
is all these Aegis is all this map control and extreme
have still kept it even net worth wise how's it even a thing they're in their
base for most of this that's not true phoenix is farming the other side of the
map using smoke you're right he's a huge farmer this my bad and very big splash
on that camp and xxs is in one camp next to his base and I'll make killing
creeps that are coming into his face there's a rush banner that indicates
falcons wants to do something that's true this is a high-level banner it's
raise. Big raise! That's a damaged raise. Somebody has to take care of the banner or...
Oh, Aether Remnant does hit. There's the jump and they get the silence as well. That's life number one.
Falcons regretting their decision. They should go back to Farmington in the next 10 minutes.
Oh, that's the best kill.
More staff to the other side. Malreen will illusory orb away.
And just like that, the fight ends. What a riveting affair for all to enjoy.
He's continually to hit creeps.
Oh here it comes. The banner has been destroyed.
Jump in by Skeeter along with Amar.
Amar actually looks like Pops the BKB.
Pops is old and the static link as well.
The refresher he's going for Abbe but the snowball saved for the time being
and now Amar chasing in his own face.
Oh dear. Malory next to the fountain as well gets the coil.
This is where they want to fight after all of this time double kill from Malrin finally a morp his rain will end
By back from the tusk is Skeeter now trying to run away stuck
Inside the shard will pop his BKB, but he's just gonna get chased into oblivion surely
Sheva's will show him yule's finally will apply and now raised to bring Skeeter down
So extreme they do hold
But with Falcons, Falcons did get a Range Rax and that should not be underestimated.
That's true. That's huge.
That is going to lead this game at 58 minutes in the game. That Range Rax is going to make the difference.
So keep in mind, so this time they get GA on Razor and it makes a really big difference.
Notice how Deepa Mark can dive now because he has that. He's going to refresh, pop everything in.
Crucial snowball, though. This time the puck was not there to silence and
Here it looks really bad nice coil though there
Without I think somebody used a big lotus on army and kept him alive in the fountain. He might have died
They did defend
Only losing at flies by back and now the other way
Oh, we have another fight wheel of wonder
Hypnotized in the face of the snowball save and they get the silence on the mountain
Even the eon this does proc.
Dispose onto the shadow feet, Aume's dead.
Pass the buyback.
Again, so far away from his base,
meanwhile, XXS tickling the barracks.
Now we'll walk away as Ringmaster's buyback
scares the shit out of him.
And now we wait for the 60 minute mark,
ladies and gentlemen.
The underwhelming cheer five items to come
will make the difference.
Yep.
We all miss helmets, I'm dying after all.
I mean the one that I miss more than anything, what do you think actually?
Uh, Ballista.
Try to remember the name.
God no, that was a terrible one.
Repair kit.
No, come on.
That wasn't a tier five.
No, but it was terrible.
Come on, tier five.
What do I like to play?
You miss, what was it called?
The one with the aura?
What was that called again?
Wait, what aura?
The one that gave the reflection active gave an aura to your teammates. That's good for your heroes.
Then Ex Machina?
Oh, Ex Machina was the refresher one with armor. That one was broken.
Come on, Syndrome. What would Centaur want?
Giant's ring?
Yes. Oh my god, what an awesome item that was.
Terrain walk and you become huge.
Holy shit. Calm down, Demonic Purge.
Alright, 60 minutes. Let's keep an eye on these items.
He's gonna go try to go high ground kind of force this buy bag. It's not gonna happen with only 15 seconds left for Amé
Who was the voice saying 60 minutes
Couldn't tell you
That's production yeah, okay, that sounds like you actually I was gonna say sounds more like me then it's not me
You probably did this in your sleep.
They record you.
Yeah, that's not on the meddling at all.
That was in our contracts.
I don't know if you saw that.
Is that why my bedsheets were like electrified when I got here?
They set up recording equipment in my bedroom.
Yeah, that makes sense.
That was a weird experience.
I was pulling, I could pull my fingers across my bedsheets and make sparks in the dark.
That's really cool.
It was kind of weird.
You felt like Harry Potter?
Yeah, I did.
All right.
Neutral number one.
Let's go.
you gonna take? Divine Regalia, get it! Let's get it! Notice that every time a tier
5 comes up they have to think about it because they're all... there's no... oh
my god I'm so excited to get this and of course it ends up being Book of the
Dead. Number one, they'll get at least two of these, every protein is obsessed with
this item. Okay, well what's Razor gonna take? Is it better than Bola? A Bota, sorry.
Some of these are better than Ebola, I think.
That's, yeah. Most of them.
I mean, Spiderlegs on Razor Sound.
Not bad.
Pretty damn good.
Alright.
Hey, Regalia.
Deso for Skitter.
That's good.
Not really for himself, but it's good for his team.
Minotaur Horn, Book of the Dead, Deso on the other team.
Yeah.
Audacious Deso, just 100 attack speed.
But you take 10% more damage.
Yep.
Hmmmmmmmmm... alright well...
Who doesn't have a neutral?
If the game lasts five more minutes you have lost your predictions so it's time to cheer
for either team to win soon Shannon.
Time is ticking.
I kinda wanna see the round 2 of the Neutrals so I'll let you win this...
OK...
I love to see Fighting late game.
You know what would be interesting?
Just adding ideas out there.
If the idea of these tier-fives is to end the game theoretically, right, if you remake
it again, it should double in power each time.
It should amplify it like exponentially.
I think increasing the power of it, I would be on board with that.
I don't know if double is the number, but yeah, I like that.
It encourages you to also go out of base if it's like a complete stalemate and you have
you tier 5s and you're just like whatever. Then it's a second time to leave base. It's
a good idea. Other than just recrafting.
You enjoying what you're watching, Senator?
I could explain it on broadcast, but it's all good.
man versus tech tough times you could have commented what was happening I guess I can't
But it's also funny.
Basically, the TV that I'm casting off is about to turn off.
I don't wanna...
There's like a timer.
I don't know what I'm saying.
The perfect thing...
Oh, we might actually have action here.
Clion is snapped, but nothing's here.
He jumps back in, they pop the E on disc of the puck.
Oh, the guy!
There's a dead Malorie to start the fight.
Puck and death!
The Puckins want to continue the fight.
A Marsher does, but he's getting destroyed by the right click!
Fuck!
Amé just rips him a new one, triple kill for Amé!
Scare's gonna follow suit, that's four dead, four Falcons!
Eventually, he will die, I swear!
That's a buyback from Mal-Rain.
Damn, you might just get it.
This game might also finish before the monitor turns off.
Yeah, we have 188 seconds left before the auto switch off.
The problem is, the message takes up the whole screen, so I can't actually think.
Fortunately, I have a secondary screen.
Yes, that's fine.
Which works just fine, but here comes the scene.
Next one minute.
Look at this, Stygian, go to work.
Oh my God.
That is one set down.
What?
What's the point of not doing it?
And if he's really going to fall real fast, I mean, what is the delay here?
You have them all.
There we go.
Now it's a five versus five.
You already lost your tier fours, though.
There's the jump in onto the void spirit.
Wheel of wonder placed as well, nullifier as well, as voice for a lot of trouble, but
It looks like he's gonna go down first,
don't get something to simulate the last moment.
They have to turn around, X success with an EKB.
Huff gets punched in the end, it's a Dyvac!
For Malrin, a Marjus gets melted again!
Dyvac number two, Dyav number three,
and now the Ancient Exposed causes the GG.
Extreme take it in one of the most boring,
flash-exciting games of all time.
Oh wow, that went really fast.
You were right, they got the tier-fives
and they were like, wow.
Because I am the master of late games, Cinderan.
But here's the thing, though.
Counterpoint, you said the teams were going to fight
because they were overrating them.
That audacious decision on Esther
looked like it made a really big difference.
I would just say.
I mean, that one is good.
That one is good.
So then they're not overrating them.
Most of them are overrated.
I told you which ones were good.
We had this discussion.
Why are you arguing with the master
as we looked at the endgame screen?
Who was your MVP, Cinderan?
Oh, tough to say.
Was it anybody on Falcons?
Was it Ex-Novon Phoenix?
Was it Scree-Oct that item tier four?
Which one would you choose?
I think nothing to say played very well this game.
Oh!
OK, well, OK.
While you're entitled to your opinion in the production room,
I thought nothing to say played well.
But if you disagree, that's on you.
got some haters in the house today, it seems.
But what a game, in the end at least.
Cheever, what did you think?
I thought this was quite the solid turnaround from Xtreme,
but I was almost curious to see if this game,
8, 3, and 19, Brian, on Void Spirit,
did he change your mind?
Did he change your opinion about the hero?
Yeah, I guess the one thing I was really concerned about
was if Aume is gonna die at the start of fights,
it is extremely gonna have the damage,
the same concern I had from Game 1 and this time around I say that because they were just
targeting Amé every fight and there were several fights in this game that that happened
and quite frankly nothing to say. They had a lot of stuff. He did a lot of stuff in those
fights that he absolutely owned so this is the first Void spirit that I've seen. Like
he was the one to shout out about right there and he had a lot of impact so that's off to
him. I've been proven wrong or impressed I guess. I wouldn't say I didn't say he wouldn't
own, but I'm more impressed that he did.
I also want to do a quick shout out to Aame, because I feel like this was one of those
games where, early on into the game, he was making some mistakes, like positioning himself
as the point of entry for teamfights, which is with Blink plus Yasha and Kaya, not what
you want to do, and he was getting blown up, and this was just like straight up bad positioning.
And you could tell that he clocked this, and he's like, okay, we just...
The fights are actually fine, like the way that we can play this game is actually fine.
I just need to not rush in.
Like I need to let my void spirit go in.
And then he was hitting the requiems after that and winning the fights.
I mean, it did go an hour and five minutes, so it's not like they snowballed after that
point.
But you can tell that he made that adjustment within the game, which I think is a very important
skill and hard to do at this level, especially against Falcons.
Especially in those last two fights, it was very, very clear.
He was approaching the fight and waiting until somebody was at nullified half HP, and then he would be like,
Okay, I'm hitting you.
He hit you twice, maybe three times, and they would explode.
Yeah, he was waiting for the opening.
And part of that was the neutral item, and the other time was like,
Oh, he just killed Razor through BKB, full of the zero, because he had so much minus armor from previous kills.
But his targeting was a lot better, certainly, as a game.
Yeah, overall, I think it's kind of crazy, because both games, I feel like...
Is it fair to say, correct me if I'm wrong, they felt kind of similar, but one game obviously Extreme was able to make the comeback and the other one they weren't?
Is that kind of what this series was about? Because I felt like for both games, the first 20 minutes, it's both teams, even gold.
Pretty much, yeah. And I think it's all on the back of Aume as well.
Like, Pedro sang, him making the choice to jump in at specific moments, legitimately in any of these fights, if he goes in and dies, they just lose.
lose. Like, he's 4-protect-1, like, blast cannon, doing a shitload of damage, and especially
once he has a Stygian Desolator too. It's like, you know, that helps. You could tell
that he had the realization that, like, he can fault a 0 any hero, because at that point,
he was just, if he sees a hero, he's triple-raising, and he was killing them.
The only way they could maybe survive is the Omni, but Omni definitely fell off in terms
of hard carry potential as the game goes on because you can't compare to a hero like SF who basically
has like half a divine rapier just built into his tool head doing it from like 600 units away.
Like Omni has to get in there. He's going to have to buy attack speed items. He's not going to have
as much agility. He doesn't also have the benefit of the minus armor that was being dealt. I think
Thundro also had an AC. They had tons of minus armor rolling around. So if you weren't like Omni
ultied and magic immune, the nullifier was going to remove all those benefits and he was going to
can do too much damage. You would have to stuck on him for a long time as a Razor to
kill that guy or to stop this damage from happening. It was just way too much.
Yeah, there was a lot of threshold moments where Amar dove base, double ulting, winking,
Ame, BKBing and not quite killing him. And that was largely due to the supports in the
Underlord, like toss saving him and then the Underlord Auras. I think that played a pretty
Pit will roll this game because there wasn't that equivalent on the side of Falcons.
Yeah.
So it kind of not only makes it like we talk about army, not really caring, but that's because Amar is effectively a carry razor.
Yeah.
But that I feel like in the first game, we saw him do that where he blinked and went on Ames weaver and it got the job done.
But this time around, it didn't.
So I was kind of thinking, I had what was the difference.
And I do think those extra or is the extra minus.
And SF is here.
Just there's so much burst damage.
Yeah, it's a lot easier to minimize Weaver's damage than SF.
Woo! Well, speaking of SF, I believe I'm getting to talk to the SF player himself.
Hello, Jin also welcome for the translation. Congratulations on the 1-1 here with this game.
How happy were you when you got to seeing this later at the end there in your tier 5 neutral items on it?
After you reached 60, you found out that you had a 2-level skill. How did you feel at that time?
I didn't feel that I was good at it. I found out that I was pretty good at it.
I wasn't too stoked when I saw it. I initially thought that it wasn't that strong.
and that's wrong but then once I picked it and I started you know slapping really
hard I was like wow this is actually this exceeds my expectations it looked
quite scary let me let me say that now both of these games the first half of
the game it felt very similar where neither you nor Falcons is really getting
a big lead in the game why do you think it is that both of you as teams are
are creating a situation like that.
I usually send two waves, then I send another one, then I change to Wukai, and then I get back to the game.
There's a puck over there, I can't get out of it. That's it.
Well, generally, once we get an advantage, we tend to feed it away.
So what ends up happening is, even though we might win in the lanes, the game just ends up going 50-50.
And the fact that they have a puck, which is really hard to catch, and he can really just drag the game on.
So that's generally what happens.
Definitely happened in this game.
Now my personal final question would be, because Shadowfiend is a very good carry hero,
I would love to know your current top three heroes you would like to play as a carry in officials right now.
If possible.
I'll say it's Shadowfiend, Templar Assassin, and Windranger.
Okay, cool.
Thank you for that information.
I'm going to send you over to Perich to answer some questions.
Yeah, I mean, Shadowfiend has a variety of item builds.
I was curious how you changed them depending on the game and why you went Blink, Yashakai
this game.
And now there are a lot of people who are playing with this.
This is the kind of equipment that you can use for a game.
If you're playing a game, this is the kind of equipment.
Knock against Maus tomorrow, and thank you again, good job.
And we are going to check him approach, because he has not yet said everything he wants to say about this game we just watched.
Yeah, I wanted to compare the carries, actually, to take a look at the head-to-head, because these guys were hitting their heads against the creeps for a very long time.
So I want to take a look at the KDAs, the damage dealt, and possibly the greatest metric in the game, the Shula Jump Shuler.
Look at that hero damage difference. I was on me, he probably got half of that in the last two fights.
I feel like the building them. That's that's the greatest down right there. What's Omni doing against buildings?
Nothing they had to rely on razor and puck kill buildings
That's not what you want not not always here
There's the razor though the true hard carry running an attack on Omni
Give him plenty of damage Skeeters and they're hitting as well. What Skeeter can't do is survive nor can
Amar here. This is the fight where nothing to say impressed me a lot where like Omni gets focused and
him cleaning up those two guys in the back was was that look at that that's nice
that's really nice like team fight positioning where you know they can
over chase there like you want to go for the ringmaster but they go back to their
team first protect the sports then go for the ringmaster like this is his
segment right back so that's fine I just take it I just really appreciate
extreme gaming because when they got second place in TI that's that's how
they did it is by like perfectly protecting their backline supports in
in teamfights. So I always love to see it come back in because it's a different iteration
of the team, you know. And it's like, they still got it. They still got it.
I also thought it was just interesting how both of the carries on the Falcon side, they
have to all in on the SF because he's such a big threat. They're just like BK to BK
man fighting to the death and they only barely survived surprisingly. So it was just a cool
teamfight that set the tone for the next 30 minutes while they both had creeps.
Well this series might have set the tone for Group B. Let's take a look at what the
groups are looking like right now. I believe there's still one game going on, so it's not
all set in stone, but Maus and Tundra are locked in there on the top. We also have Excration
and Game Religion. They're out, guaranteed, and then the middle bit of the pack. There's
still some wiggle room possible. Extreme Falcons, they kept the same score because they had
same score before and they tied obviously, so there they are, Navi and Spirit still having
to have some fight in them. I'm trying to be real fast in finding out who they're playing
against, but maybe Jankis beat me too in finding that out, or did he not look that up?
No, I was looking at Gamer Legion and just like, God damn it, come on, you guys beat
Falcons in one game, Extreme Gaming in one game, Maus in one game, Maus, top the group,
All the teams almost all the teams in the top of the group. What's going on guys?
Well, I will say mouse and gamer legion are still playing and obviously we know their results
But I will then tell you who is still because we don't know from Navi's facing excretion
So that should be points for for Navi the way it stands
Which would put them also seven and five if they get two wins out of that so that would be a tie right there and
And the other team that was still tied was Spirit, who was up against Gamer Legion, who also should be...
They might win one game. They might win one game.
But, of course, Extreme Souls was still playing against Mouse, and Tundra is playing against Falcons.
So there is a chance for a four-way tie, there is still a chance for loads of players.
But there's definitely still some rumblings possible over there.
And in case you didn't know tomorrow will actually be the day where the tiebreakers are played out as well as we do have
First two games or two series of games and then the tiebreakers
But I'm getting way ahead of myself because it's first time to check in with how we did on our predictions
So we have been keeping track. We have been well. This is what we went for today. Don't look at mine
That's not good. Let's look at the jackets
You didn't go for any tie, you'd never go for a tie.
Did you know that Brian says that it's statistically more likely to get a tie than to not get a
tie?
They're real?
That is real.
Yeah, because there's four outcomes and two of them are ties.
Oh, he's right, two of them are ties.
Yeah, that is.
Did you?
No, you still won.
I only took one tie, which was this last series, because the other series, I really
did think they were lopsided, but in spirit and Yandex, you know, pulled a fast one on.
It's out of today though. Well, no, I got the last two right but the first two the first two were not sweeps
Was it all one ones? Yeah, they ever liquid was a tool. No, at least cap is dinner. Oh, yeah
There's correct, but we could take a look at how the leaderboards looking as
Someone turned that thing around in the meantime purge turn that cat okay
Purge your your up
You're letting the Americans down. We originally had the entire left column to ours.
Like, look at this. Americans are just better at assessing games.
Can I say for the record, the one time that SVG played for Arkosh,
I was genuinely very impressed with his...
I forgot how good that guy is at doing that, actually.
Because he just doesn't shut the fuck up, you know what I mean?
But like, he's actually really good at the game,
and he was probably one of the best captains North America has ever seen.
So rest in peace to his career, but we're a little happy to have him here Brian as a pastor
That's wonderful. We also happy to have you cakes
Don't do it
We have twitch chat poll I
Think there I think the polls are probably she runs an army because the morning shift made this cake and
And the evening ship makes this big. This is not a good camera angle. Yeah, that's not what we were going
We have a 3d here. Okay, there you go. This is a cat. It's a cat. Well, it was not no it can't it's it's yeah
Go ahead. Sorry. It's not just a cat because that's not cool enough even though with the internet
It's not cool enough. So it is a cat and a mountain and a cat and a mountain
Volcano
The story here is it's a tribe of people that worship cats, they live next to a volcanic
mountain.
That they engrave the cat sculpture.
Exactly, exactly.
That's the storyline behind ours.
Can I just say that I think Bering did a fantastic job with this whipped cream.
He did.
Is that dirt on that?
No, it's chocolate cheese.
Chocolate cheese.
I'm not even giving you that.
Thank you guys for watching.
We didn't want to overpower the flavors because we want to still be able to also have cake
flavor, but we went for the 3D.
Okay, so on the other side, this is Gabe Newell.
I just want you guys to know that the leaves don't taste very good.
I ate an entire leaf.
It was not marzipan, it was truss sugar.
When you eat a cake that has a lot of like fancy, it looks like a Minecraft block that's
called fondant.
It's a type of sugar.
It doesn't taste as bad. This is fondant. It looks nice. There were like five different types of sugar
When I read the ingredients, yeah, those strawberries also fondant
That one doesn't taste good. I promise. I would eat ours. I would eat ours
I would actually eat ours. Oh, I maybe not the coconut. There's a lot of stuff going on over there
Oh, there's coconut on there as well by the way coconut flakes. I'm not a huge fan of coconut
But for the aesthetics it was it was better for the S. Yeah, so this is the cat is vote
I think because I don't think they use our team names as the poll
The Gabon is Tsunami
Is it fair that we get to present the two things with our body?
No, but is it fair that they get to take all the colors and do stuff first?
No, that's the imbalance and we're representing the imbalance
Did you know that there's a reason why we only had like a couple of raspberries?
Apparently more than crew, either Aiden or you
We had no raspberries to work with people
People yeah, none. This would be very much a better artistic cat if we had
There's half a raspberry don't ask questions. It just would be okay. Think about it
How easy is it to make out the raspberries?
Easiest thing in the as pie without the raspberries though
Those cake
So that really eat these or can we eat them I think we can
It's a bit late to eat cake now, what we can do while we figure that out, we don't have a knife production, we can't eat cake without a knife.
Oh I pressed the button and that was me.
Oh my god, don't do it with your hands.
That's our volcano mountain.
Okay, I'll take this little piece.
Okay, I'll have the...
It's all at the same time.
Cheers and we'll have a cake.
Cake, to the cake mountain people.
Cheers.
I'm counting mountain people, oh jeez.
Mmm, delicious.
The cake actually worked out very well.
How about that?
That will cream though, I eat a cup of that, for sure.
I did.
I did eat a lot.
There was basically a lot of stuff left in the bowl.
I kinda want another bite, if I'm not wrong.
That was good, that was very good actually.
What was the recipe for the dough was very basic.
And also they didn't use self raising flour,
which is why the cakes be flat,
Which is why we all couldn't cut it in half, so we were supposed to cut it in half and then
I don't know, maybe have some dance.
That's a man-made battle.
I couldn't do that.
That's because I did not rise on its own.
That's quite nice.
I want this side.
Either way, in the meantime, let's take a look at the EWC point distribution, because
there's a bunch of events, and this is already the second stop.
A lot of points to be given away, keep in mind, I feel every time, eight from the 16 teams
get eliminated tomorrow, guys.
That's no chance for points.
And one of those is not Team Liquid, so that's one more other team than we expected.
That is true.
This is actually quite good.
I was surprised.
It's not like a shortbread, but it's like a dense cake.
It's a dense cake, but it's okay.
It's nice that it's dense though, I will say.
But the whipped cream.
The whipped cream is good.
The whipped cream, I don't like it by itself, but I like it with the cake.
That makes sense.
That's a sucky one.
That's a wrong opinion.
Tomorrow we do still have four streams going on, but there's only two series on its stream.
obviously might have tiebreakers.
But this is the earth stream where Navi is facing execution and ParaVision is facing
the Colt.
Navi still needs to win their series in order to have a shot of making it out of the groups.
Same thing for the Stormstream, Team Spirit needs to win as well.
Liquid and Pain Gaming will be playing at the start of this day there.
And Team Spirit again, they have to win.
Stream tomorrow has yandex versus aurora that that is the absolute winner versus the absolute loser
We call that one. It's not a toilet ball. What is it? Oh, I don't know. That's like the thing
It's good versus Goliath, but that's not worth that happening. That's the urinal right there. Oh
I think Falcons only need to win one game out of that series in order to avoid tiebreakers, so that's good for them
And then we also have extreme gaming for the mouse, that's very funny.
They can flock that in, bro.
You got it all back!
We have tissues.
We have issues, not tissues.
I'm having some of the volcano here.
That was the last tissue, oh no.
I
Mean I've had dinner yet. I don't think I should be eating now. There's white stains on our couch
That's it works with the egg. Yeah, but it's our cake stains as well
Dasha's working
Yeah, she's the most clean it
We did all the things
No, we did not finish the cake
We have more people in the studio that might want a little bit of the cake.
Not after we did one.
Well, they can eat this shitty one there.
This one is free free.
This one's also free.
You can even break off a bit on the side.
Look at this. Look at this. Easy.
I stuck my fingers in that cake. You think it was cake?
On this side.
Yeah, you just take it from the opposite side.
We all have our section.
You can just grab into the whipped cream and I think nobody is going to notice.
I feel like we're holding production hostage.
You must all watch the game.
Just a little bit.
Do I have a button?
My button does.
Do I have a button?
My button does.
Nothing.
They don't work.
Very sad.
It's okay.
Find out what happens tomorrow with the Dota, with the cake scoring, if there's more buttons
that we can press for cool effects, and everything else, really related.
We'll see you tomorrow.
Yeah.
Bye.
I'm so crazy, crazy, crazy
Crazy, crazy, crazy
In the rain, crazy
Yes, I'm not too worried
About the music in the end
Not too long to breathe it
There's nothing else to do
Cause I'm so interested
In the dance break, move like a fireman
Got a lot to worry about the music in the venue
Longer than your baby, that is all you have to do
In the dance frame, move us the wild and weel
In the dance frame, how many of these words you feel
In the dance frame, move us the wild and weel
In the dance ring, how many of these words could be?
I just don't understand
In the dance ring
In the dance ring, move at the wild wind
In the dance ring, how does this work to me?
In the dance ring, in the dance ring
I'm not gonna let you down.
A bad bloody time!
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that fancy dance, give me some of that highlights, I want some of that to make me dance
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that fancy dance, give me some of that highlight, I want some of that to make me dance