When the beat's this tough, I turn a little rough
This is not a test, it's a refood
So, turn it up so strong
Baseline kicking with the beat and I'll drop
Rock up, reaching jail with the disco string running
Ooh, yo, we're about to have too much hot night
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
Baby, hide tonight, yeah, baby, hide tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
Baby, hide tonight, yeah, baby, hide tonight
Like hi, nice to see you
When the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We've been dancing all night
Dropping that vibe, ticked up into the sequel
So, turn it up some some
Baseline kicking with the beat
And the drop right down, get your jam
With the disco strings on
Oh, yo, we must have two
Let's buscabs on a level
Yo, me and my team, we incredible
Let's buscabs on a level
Yo, me and my team, you'll be special
Let's go, let's go
Let's start the show
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Tonight
Who's very bad? Who's very bad?
Oh
Yeah
Timmy lights out and lights out and every breathing, I work it out, baby I do
Step right up and down, make it funky, I work it out, baby I work it out
It's getting rather like I'm bleeding
Do that you've never seen it
Here we go, wanna be the finest rising number
Back it up, I'll hack it out
Who knows how long we've been out of this Who knows when we'll be back
Is that balanced?
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on
I'm gonna stop what I want and I need to be there
What the fuck is going on?
It's happening!
Stool!
Friends!
Time to leave your stress behind
I'd like to waste your mood for the day
I wanna see you do it some more
Ain't no words that can't describe
The feeling that comes over me
As I know it's just time to dance
While you got it in your life
So baby, tonight won't you get
Into the groove
It's the perfect kind of night
To make our dreams come true
So come with me
You wanna leave those kids behind
So baby, come on, won't you get it?
There's a girl that's a perfect kind of man
Who can make all the dreams come true
So come with me
You and me, don't get the party
Let this party go on
I'm so into you girl
If you feel the groove so inferior
Can you feel the groove stop music
Can you stop music
Can you feel the groove stop music
It's got a real look on your face
It's, it's, tonight, it's night awake
Tonight we fall in love, tonight tonight is all
It's, it's, tonight, it's night awake
What the fuck is going on?
What's happening?
You guys done already?
What the fuck is going on?
What's happening?
You guys done already?
Why was he here?
Hi!
Oh, you see that?
Holy shit!
I just want you in my finger
Just give me the beat
I don't want to step in your toes
When I see you moving
I don't want to let this go
Unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done
Is the truth and it's already proven
I hope we get that first one
We got that first one
See if you lose your mind and you lose your crew, they know what you're doing in my life
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do, got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just wanna be my thing, yeah
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just wanna be my thing, yeah
Just give me the beat
Just give it up for me
No one can do
Just how you feel
All that you do
No one can do
Like no one can do
Just how you feel
All that you do
Don't get through it like you do
When the hate to the sea you do it
And the thumps in the air you do it
Ain't nobody does it better
When the hate to the sea you do it
When the thumps in the air you do it
Ain't nobody does it better
Give you all that you need in this world
All you need to do is say yeah
Be a beauty of the fittest way you see
Let me show you
What I do
I'm looking for you
Just how you feel
What I'll let you do
I'm looking for you
Like I'm looking for you
Just how you feel
I'm looking for you
Like I'm looking for you
Just how you like a girl
Just how you want it
You're dreaming of a trip to New Orleans City
I'm making coffee, I'll share it and then find one
Right in the carry, driving from my beach
I'll sell you to find his friends, I might even don't count
Just for you, yeah, just for you, cause beauty is a special
You're gonna meet you, love is super for you
Yes, we can. Yes, we can.
Because when I was gonna do it, all she wants to do is say,
No one can do it.
Just how you feel.
All that you do.
No one can do it.
In the light, no one can do it.
Just how you feel.
All that you do.
No one can do it.
In the light, no one can do it.
We ain't to the sea, you do it.
If I were to the end, you do it.
No one can ask me why
Nobody does it better
When they hate to the sea, you do it
Let the fire to the end, you do it
No one can ask me why
Nobody does it better
No one can ask me why
No one can do it just how you do
It's all you do
No one can do it just how you do
That's what I do
I like to do it
I want to see you do it
I want to see the end get to you
I'm sick of this
Nobody does it better
I'm sick of this
I want to see you do it
Nobody does it better
Just let the music take control, just let the music play its game
With a new research, everything to do
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I could do that. Easy, that was so simple.
But that's good! That's good! Top five!
Bring me in to my home
But that was my just leave
Just move your mind to the music
Just leave
Let the music take
Just let the music take
Control you
Just leave
Just move your mind to the music
Just me
Just let the music take control
Just let the music to the steam
There's only you and me
That dance was just for us
Magic's all around
I'm passion on my mind
Something goes off in my mind
Every time I feel you close
Like a star as far as you're just scared to throw
As far as you're going to fly
I'm done like I'm on a high
I just can't be spreadin'
But I know that's so easy, so easy
So long, just to turn it off
It's what I mean, really, you know
I'm gonna close my eyes
Just leave
Oh, you better go
Just leave
Right to the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control of you
Just move your body to move your body away
Just lay in
Just let the music take control
Just let the music to scream
I
You know I'm your host, girl
Come too close and you'll get violent
Guess that's just a lesson learned
Alright, give me that cap
There's no music, don't you know?
Give me that cap
Don't you ever let it stop
Oh, just stop me up
Get to the rush
Just stop me up
Get to the answer
Just stop me up
Get to the rush
Just stop me up
It's not my time, baby, baby, baby, baby
All right, give me what you got
The music in your mouth
Give me what you got
Won't you ever let me stop
Kiss me
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold our future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions, I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection, then come and sweep me off with more faith
We could just hold all this confusion
We could sort it out
We could prove the situation
No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apology won't get you far
Cause I know that you know
That we're in love
But we're gonna run
I don't believe it when you tell me
That you think everything's gonna be fine
You sure got a funny way of showing
So this is where I try to run
We think about this
Garg!
If we could just hold this confusion
If we could start a fight
Garg!
I'm in a situation no more hesitation focus on what we're about
Fuck this guy!
I'm sorry!
And this apology won't get you far
I'm sorry!
Come on guys, run it off!
What is happening?
All of all, just off.
Shut up, love champions!
Don't say sorry if you really love
And this apology is gonna get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apology is gonna get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
I'm living long
Now that's good, that's good
It's been six long days
Since I saw you, baby
I've been in your house, minutes, seconds, and you see the back of my arms again.
One day I stay in your bed, excuse the night I leave the big days, you'll lose the night I'm hanging with the views.
There's the night I go to the movies, Friday night, it's time to get real, it's Saturday night, the beat is still the tune.
Come on! I'm walking here!
What the fuck?
Get the fuck out of here!
This is the night!
I'll see you in the next video.
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
checks.
I hear it tackling off in the good sense.
Because I got a panel ready to go on to the final day of a good stage.
Very inflexible app, and SPG.
That was fucked up, Ted.
That was fucked up good timing by me, my god.
The music died.
Like BOOM!
Tendering did not approve of my DJing technique.
He did not.
I've got this button.
BOOM!
And hit it any time I like.
Productions said to me,
Ted, you have complete control of this card
and if you want to push this button at any point, you do it.
What the fuck has gone on?
Thank you, Cinder.
I'm only gonna use cinderans ones. They're the best ones.
It's just too much power for you.
Or this one. Look at this. How bad is that?
I don't understand why they didn't want to take that image and use it as promotion for their other sports booths.
And they shrunk it down, narrowed it out as well. It's crazy.
It's like super English, Ted.
What?
That shrug.
It's like a really you-what-mate-type.
What's up, bro?
What am I, who are you talking to?
Who are you? Who are you? Call me on the street, bro!
Things are a little bit disconnected, but we are still keeping the show on track because it is the last day of a group stage one here at Dream League season 28.
Quite a few teams have already either punched their ticket to a group stage two or unfortunately are secured for elimination.
That is the culmination of all of our group stage days and all 16 teams that we have participating.
As you can see, six teams are already locked in on Group A, Aurora, ParryVision, and, believe it or not, Team Liquid will be joining us for the second half of a Dream League.
Unfortunately, Pain Gaming, Yacoult Brothers, and Yandex will not be.
That's how you know that group was dog shit.
Liquid nates it through in Dream League.
Something's not right.
Oh, Avery's just so salty about yesterday.
I know I got points over Avery because I believed in Liquid.
Eating Avery and believing in Liquid at the same time is a double whammy.
We'll see how it ends.
The story's not over yet.
I was actually surprised I was doing a right on the predictions thing.
But did you also go for a Liquid over OG because that is one of the reasons why OG is still
in the midst of figuring out their fate.
They don't know if they're going to make it.
So today's series against Betboom team is going to determine that because Liquid
cleaned them up 2-0 and Cap you believed.
I did.
I mean, that's why it was pretty easy to believe they just 3-0'd them.
Yeah, that's now 5-0. They found that 5-0.
That's how you know Avery's a hater. Avery's like, he saw a 3-0 and he was like,
Yeah, they're probably still drop a game here.
I need more data before I can determine that.
But it seems that a liquid maintained their blast momentum and they're going forward.
Betboom Team also is not sure whether they're going to be able to make it,
which, if you checked on day 1, you would have thought that they would have been a lock for elimination,
But they fought back over the latter half of our group stage one and they got one game out of this one
Hell yeah, brother. Yeah, I know just that you guys on in here, but I do have this button that says well
Yeah, well we got first one
Yeah, first one we got first one. You know me de Caprio in fresh. Oh
Always because you're planning. Oh, that's first one. We got we got first one. Okay, wait. They gave me two first blood ones. Yeah
They had two different camera angles for that? What happened?
Front on the back.
I think apt.
Do your favorite one.
The one you first did this one.
What's this one?
The one that's...
No.
The one with a movement.
Yeah, you don't want to spoil it.
Oh, this one?
What the fuck is going on?
What's happening?
Where's Zindab?
Oh, Zindab?
I am not for special occasion.
Oh, this one.
Well, Mao and Navi, though, they are taking care of businesses.
That was the last of our highlights to observe from yesterday.
But the group stage is coming near an end.
No.
I know.
Something worried is another one.
Hey!
There's another one.
For me, my biggest surprise, Yandex, last season's champions,
bottom of the group, Aurora, the new Div2 champions,
top of the group.
So if you want to know what's happening on the ground floor of the meta, you need to watch Dream League Division 2.
That's the only conclusion that I can draw from this.
We're not on that.
It's like a Kinder egg.
Yeah.
There's a chocolate egg and you eat it and inside there's another chocolate egg and you eat that.
No, you know when to eat that one, I agree.
Super good.
Yandex went from Div2 last season.
Correct.
All the way from Div2 to Champions.
So if trends are to be fulfilled yet again, Aurora might just be a Dream League Champions by the end of the day.
How are they so good? What's the crack?
They have a stand-in. The stand-in team's always in perform-all.
Who's the stand-in?
I've got Lorna from the Koto.
Also Quinn said their dog shit, so that cursed him all the way to the top instantly.
This might go down as one of the worst caster curses of all time.
Because they might just break the record for Series 1 in a row.
They're like on some crazy streak, aren't they?
I haven't checked the numbers, but it was formerly held by Spirit.
I can look up.
A year ago.
Yeah. It's like 26 or something.
They've already broke one of the older spirit records.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm telling you, man, they're on some crazy run.
Now is, you know, competition a little different?
Yeah, maybe, but...
That may be true.
The fact that they're continuing this...
Still.
...here in Div 1.
That's impressive.
You know?
Recent matches.
You look at that.
We are going to be looking at some fashion,
because we have been having our challenges over the past few days.
Yesterday we made some cakes was our task of the day and twitch chat made some votes
The cat must have won
79%
What was the much it was a cat? I don't know production. Do we have a picture of it? I helped you helped
Yeah, this is you guys make it look at that egg crack that is shot
That is poor a little manual whisking
Why didn't you use the electric whisk?
Because we didn't have a plug-in for it.
You plug it in over here.
There's literally a socket right here.
That technology is always...
Yes, that appeared after we found it.
No, it did not.
It was there the whole time.
We couldn't have a socket.
It was a little bit uneven when it came out.
You didn't whip the icing in it.
We whipped the icing in it.
What is this?
I helped decorate it.
This is the other one.
Look, it's a pussycat.
Where is what?
You see it at a different angle.
It's called the strawberries it is.
Oh my God.
We never ate ours.
Ugh.
Cav.
I'm sorry. That was the finished product and that one by 79%
Yeah, you had to see from a better angle. I mean they were both dogs
Why are you defending their cake as better? I had more to do with that one. I wasn't I was a split shift
What no you had more to do with ours. No, I've ruined yours
Yeah, so you're just sabotaging your own team. I was bright. I respect that. Yeah
Don't worry. I did it for money. Yeah, he does
No, I'll be repaid, we'll put it that way.
It's an IOU that Sheever gives.
What do you think of that, Trolls?
Well played.
Thank you.
Well played.
I can't argue with that.
That was yesterday's test, but we also had a test two days ago that we did not
get the conclusion for.
It was tie-dying shirts.
Oh my God.
And now, we get to find out the results of our tie-dye, because we're going to
do a little catwalk showcasing a variety of the products.
It's gonna be a blind vote.
So we have some whiteboards here,
if my co-host could pick that up.
And we don't know which shirt was made by which shift,
which person, which anything.
But we are going to have our Disco Dream League staff
roll in and showcase a few of these.
So could we get our first tie-dye shirt
that's a bullseye pattern?
I can see the colors have been strategically altered.
So this is shirt one?
Sure it is.
How much do I have to rate it out of 10?
Let's rate it out of 10.
One to five.
Out of five.
Out of five now.
That's just the one just got shot.
Now, you may notice that this one has a slight pink hue to it.
That's awful.
I'll give it a two out of five.
The bullseye came in there.
Let's see shirt number two come down the catwalk.
I gave that one point.
Negative one.
One point.
Negative one.
I gave it one.
You gave it one?
Give it to you. This is the same one. There's a polka dot. This is worse zero that gets it to
That gets to for me. That's a one
I mean that one's okay. It's a little better. This one. Okay. I'll give it a one base one out of five
I'll give this one three out of five. Three out of five. You don't know how bad they're gonna go. Oh god
Well, I mean that doesn't mean you should just change the rating
All right, so shirt number one, I believe, had a...
I put one and I put a two so far.
Three points cumulatively and shirt number two, I believe, has five points cumulatively.
Let's get shirt number three!
Shirt number three!
Come on down!
I like cold walks in the washing machine and getting my colors bled through.
It looks like stained glass windows.
Yeah.
Why does it look like there's like a wicker man in there?
I don't know.
I'm telling you that that's the CS guy look at him. Oh my god, you're right. Oh, yeah
Counter-Strike look at all that. That's a four for me. That's a four out of five shirt right there
That's a two out of five
two four five from eight from us so 13 points total
Pretty impressive counter strike
Val V Sport off on guard
That's me I did not like it. I thought it was pretty good. Yeah, he didn't like they give it zero
Let's get shirt number four down
Yeah, we got a little I believe that was the spiral pattern
Maybe a maybe a bullseye can't sell and the socks and the socks
One hand style oh, you're right
Jump all the way up to a
I'm mostly giving that a 4.5.
3.5.
3.5, so 7.5 plus a 11.5 plus another 3, so we'll round it up to another 15, I suppose.
And the socks is very impressive.
The socks are impressive. Just the fact that they managed to color the socks, because they did not want to accept color.
I assure you.
The socks get 2 out of 5, I guess.
No, we don't rate the socks. The socks are an accessory.
apparently involved in the scarring.
We did not manage to cause the socks on the day shift.
This is shirt number five, ladies and gentlemen.
Quite pale.
Can't see shit, man.
It's truly too color-trocious.
That's a one.
That's a one all day.
Biggest one ever.
I'm giving that half a point.
Half a point.
That is my one point.
I deserve one.
Honestly, I feel like I'm just learning I'm colorblind in this segment.
That one got four points.
I can't see any difference between any of these.
I will explain why that is the case after we see the full catwalk.
Let's get shirt number six down to showcase the talent.
There's a lot of these, huh?
There's nine in total.
What the hell is that?
Wait for the colors to show up.
I like like the colors are not strong enough in the shirt and then we have the colored lights and everything
You know what? I actually think that's my one. Yeah, I think that's a five
Actually, that is a that might be the best shirt
The best shirt of the entire line
That's a five
The color distribution
Spot on don't fool me. Thank you. Yeah, I agree
That's a five
16 points for the shirt.
The pattern was yours.
The pattern was enough color on it?
No, I put lots of color on, but someone mentioned their names.
All of them in the same washing machine at a hot temperature.
Wait, 16 points.
Oh, that may have been mine then, because we just gave 16 points.
Really? Damn it.
Great job, Neil.
Incredible.
I thought that was mine.
Tactically done.
This is shirt number seven coming down.
Like 75% of these just look like you accidentally like drop some food on it or something
It's terrible
That is as bad as it gets. I bet that's my one. That gets a zero
That is a hundred percent from a murder scene
Zero
I'm gonna give a one because I respect the effort
One point
What is Charles thing?
I respect the effort
Yeah that's what I thought Charles was thinking of
That was BSJ's shirt
Oh excellent
Rough
Off out here. I feel like he already deserves
Sure number eight make your way down so we can judge you harshly
How do we get nine shirts curiosity?
nine people four panel and then four afternoon maybe one cast or
That's my one. There's an exact that's my one. That was actually not bad. Thank you
To I think that's a that's an eight that she has a pattern and it has a color scheme
You know what? I'll give that a 3.
That's an 8 right there.
You can give that a 2.5, so I'm going to reduce that to a 4.
Yeah, we did it, man!
Yeah!
8.9.5
4.20 blaze it, Neil.
4.20 blaze it.
Let's give it a 14. That one got a 14.
Certainly Ray got a 14, ladies and gentlemen.
2.2 blaze it.
Oh, that's what the reference was?
Yeah.
Oh!
This is disco air, Neil.
And now, our final shirt.
shirt hopefully they saved the best for last god i hope they did
I'll be the one to kill him.
All the same, great.
No that one's got something going on.
Oh, Jesus, I dropped my board.
That one solid, that one solid.
I like that one, I get it in 3.
I get good without the washouts.
3, 6, 9, Danches fine, 12.
12 points in total for shirt number 9.
Good job shirt number 9.
Now, let's take a look at the cumulative graphics.
Let's take a look at the cumulative graphics here.
Cheever got a 13, Purge got a 15,
Brian got a one, Quinn got a four, Perrin 14.
And Sam got a three.
Where does Ted land on the morning slash evening crew?
Because apparently, he sabotaged us.
I wouldn't say sabotaged.
I think we should get his points.
He sabotaged our team, so we should get his shirt on.
I wouldn't say sabotaged.
We're on the morning crew right now.
I wouldn't say sabotaged.
Betrayed would be the word I would use.
I respect that.
Yeah, you'd betray us by sabotaging us.
That wouldn't cause...
Sabotage is the act.
I just happen to be bad at things and involve myself more with one than the other, and
therefore, by my efforts...
Despite everyone's pleading with you, TECH NO PIECE, DON'T DO THIS!
I said, let's make a gag new face, and I was like, give me the jam and just start
drawing a face.
No area, FBI didn't know I get paid for this sort of thing.
So if you're wondering why all the shirts came out in the exact same colors, because Sheaver
had the bright idea to console artificial intelligence, and it was suggested wash them
all in the same load of laundry.
Is that actually what happened?
Correct.
Sheaver asked the AI-
He comes sick of the amatology as well!
Why would you ask the Clankers how to make a t-shirt?
They don't know how to do anything.
What do you think of that, trolls?
Yeah, boo, Sheaver!
I was hoping he was going to dab.
So yes, she tactically sabotaged because we, as you recall, gave Night Shift all the dark colors.
Yes.
And the dark colors hypothetically would survive a wash better than the light colors.
I think you meant also you would have to do it on a very, very gentle wash, otherwise
all the dye just gets ripped out.
Yeah, I'm going to say why does it matter if they're all together?
I think if you put any single shirt in a washing machine, it's going to just wash
it all out.
Yeah.
Like if you put it in at a high temperature, but equally than the dye's going to run,
going to have it would be like putting a really brightly dyed red sock and with all your white
laundry. Well that that's the thing is that they all turn pink. Yeah I think you have to wash them
individually. Exactly. In a sink. Yeah. Ted knows about washing. Yeah. Incredibly red socks in his
laundry. Yeah. I trust Chat FLAX more than GP2. Thank you. Hell yeah. Future. We'll know. But the
acronym I trust the most is the EWC because we are making our way to the Esports World Cup
And a couple of points are going to be handed out at the end of today, because teams are going to get eliminated.
But no matter what, you still get a couple of points and some prize money as well.
Yandex needs to cling to these 3400 points because they are not going to get very many more out of this Dream League.
Though they will have an opportunity to compete at Birmingham to scoop up a handful more, but still, you need every last bit that you can get.
Neil, I have a question. Who is Pipsqueak plus 4?
Hipsqueak plus four was a dream league season 2017 that I don't remember a single player on
Is anyone every name of this week plus four player? I do remember that
Can't remember was on I remember the plane. Yeah, what where are they now?
They know here not all I saw that was bedroom really need to make it today because oh gee had enough points from the previous season
True. Yes, I know. That's how I felt as well, Effie.
And if Bed Boom Team do want to make it onto that EWC leaderboard, they need to win the series today.
Let's take a look at the schedule for all four of our streams.
The last day that we're going to have four concurrent streams.
After that, it's all going to be here under the main stream.
Partyvision versus the occult brothers.
That's not me.
We all looked at Ted.
Who is it then?
I don't know.
No.
Navi vs.
It's not me.
Look.
Navi vs. Execration will be the second series of the day on the Earth's stream.
On Storm, we've got Liquid taking on Pain Game.
Boo!
Why?
I don't know.
He hates Parker.
That's why.
Yeah.
Boo!
Actually, he loves Parker.
They took away my board.
Stupid talk to Carrie.
Boo!
The Game Religion is going to be the second series on the Stormstream.
Ember is going to feature Yandex versus Aurora Gaming, last season's Div2 Champions versus
this season's Div2 Champions.
Aurora Gaming hoping to keep that streak alive, so even though the games may not
matter that much for them in terms of group stage standings, the pride of having a
a full series streak, still is alive. After that, Tundra vs. Falcons, banger for the second
series on Ember. But here, on the mainstream, we've got ones that really matter. The only
two teams that have not locked their place in Group A. Winner of OG Esports vs. the
Bebom team is going to move on in Dream League and Loser is eliminated.
Hell yeah, brother!
Hell yeah.
Right, Ten?
Absolutely. That was my first thought.
That's what I thought so far.
Let's go, OG.
The only two series that we have scheduled, Group A does not have any potential for tiebreakers.
Group B, however, has a variety of combinations depending on which teams beat which teams.
Maus vs. Extreme is the one that we'll have on the mainstream, and then if there are tiebreakers,
there's going to be more Dota.
But that will happen later today.
Avery.
Yes.
You've been topping some leaderboards recently in an MMR.
Oh no.
I had a bad day yesterday.
You had a bad day yesterday.
There's no way I'm on top.
Oh!
How am I still on top?
I'm on top.
Honestly, I miss three of mine by like 2,000 network to throne races again, and I'm still winning somehow
Everyone had a pretty rough day yesterday. That was a tough day. I'm not sure that's doing a lot better than I
I would have gotten zero if it actually didn't win that last game though
Yeah, I think a lot of people expected it to try it was Falcons versus. Thank God. I'm a rolled Stigian
Oh, boy.
Oh, close.
There's been a lot of good late-game data on the night shift.
A 60-minute game for that one yesterday had an 80-minute game, but these are the standings
for the predictions.
And now, what we expected for today, we can only predict two series for today, because
time breakers have not been determined.
And Avery, you were expecting a draw for OG versus Bed Boom 2, and you were expecting
Maus to beat Extreme.
I'm all-in on Maus, dude.
Really?
I thought less people were going to predict Maus, so I would be more of a hipster there,
but apparently I got copied early in the morning.
I think they're kind of looking hand-mouse. I think XG is just way too slow.
Oh, yeah, I think mouse against any Chinese team ever is gonna be pretty
favorite. Yeah, as long as you just run them over.
As long as they don't shit the bed, like that's an easy series for mouse.
No disrespect to XG. Just bad stylistic matchup. And of course you got to have one draw on the day.
OG are... I don't think OG can win any series with zero losses right now.
Well, I also think that all they had to do is secure the first win,
and then the second one doesn't matter.
So.
Very likely that I think they get that win.
That is true.
And then they don't care about the other games,
so I don't think that boom might be up there.
Come on, I'm walking here.
That is such a bad impression for the record.
That is so bad.
Come on.
It's shockingly bad.
Come on.
Especially for an American.
Ten man and Mackey.
He's spending a lot of time in New York.
Yeah, he's a New Yorker.
That's his New York impression.
Come on.
Actually, I'm sad.
It makes me sad.
I'm just sad now.
What's the loudest thing?
Is there any sad ones that you can put up?
This is pretty sad.
That made me happy.
What happened to the violin music?
Oh man, I forgot.
Do you want to bring that back?
Alright, bring up the close-up on A3.
No, I don't.
I just wondered where that...I haven't heard that clip in a long time.
One thing that goes...
Like that.
Yeah.
Yeah, that was a beautiful.
They lost the button. Here we go.
Yeah, see that one. That one's good.
That's what that stupid uh, I'm walking.
It's so bad. It makes me want to cry.
What is that from? Do you think that violin?
From TaxiDriver.
That's not.
Was that directed by Denny Villanueva?
That's right.
That is not how you pronounce the last one.
That's not how you pronounce it.
It's funny.
That's very French.
Uh, Avery, you were saying that you don't expect OG to be able to bring up a win, and
partially, I imagine that is because they have been on a downwards trajectory recently.
Oh, no.
In contrast, Beth Luton had been on an upwards trajectory.
Play the stat violence.
Come on, guys.
Wrap it up.
Okay, fine.
Wrap it up.
Avery, cap, your services are no longer required, because I want to talk to Insania
about what to expect from this series.
Yeah, that's exactly what I want to talk about.
So we have today quite an interesting mental battle coming in.
OG, they had a lot of their tougher opponents left for last.
And for that reason, I think they are kind of like, been losing last year games, they're
I think on a five or six game loss streak.
So it's a quite tough thing to come into like your last match where you need to win
with all these losses come racking up.
But you also have had a lot of opportunities to learn, though it all depends on how you
handle this mentally.
And I think this can be quite tough as a pro player sometimes.
It's nicer to have these tougher opponents at the start, you get to learn a lot, and
then you get to try out the things that you're learning against slightly weaker teams,
and you can come into the series a bit stronger.
And if you take a look at Bed Boom, you can tell that they went up against Aurora
and party very early on in the group stage, and then they got to bang out
wins against Yandex, Payne, and then when they go up against Liquid they have a bit more
like knowledge coming into that, they manage to test out their ideas, follow that up with
the two Ogans, they're cult so they're on the upward trajectory but if you take a close
look you can pay attention and notice that like they've kind of lost to the same teams.
So at a skill level point they are quite even, but it'll be interesting to see how
that mental battle plays out, and I think another edge that Betboom has in the series
is they have a tendency to pick quite strong lane counters, and I think when OG runs into
this kind of situation, they kind of struggle a bit.
So here in this first drafting in CnDX, you can see they play the Kez against Mars.
This is something I've been asking for a lot.
Every single time I see Kez playing against Mars, I feel like these Marses have absolutely
no game at all, and this is going to be challenging for a team like OG that wants
to play fast.
You need to have stable lanes.
So this is something they're going to have to look out for.
Another thing is this Weaver against the Batrider.
This has been a good counter for very many years.
Bat likes to slow you down, stack up stuff on you, and then it kills you with running
you down with Firefly against Weaver, it's quite tough.
Also Weaver has the ability to put minus armor on you and just keep stacking up damage
against a hero like Bat that has quite a big health pool.
So something to need to look out for.
They also have this Kunka on the off lane that they play against Weavers that is
very scary.
is one of the better heroes laning his weaver. He has a lot of cleave damage that just spams
out the weavers so he can kind of match what weaver does. And then on top of that 1v6 has
a very easy kill. So for OG I think look out for scary lane counters like this and hopefully
they haven't struggled too much with the mental after the losses coming into this series.
That's two attributes that they need to be wary of because initially I thought it
was just the mental thing because if you did look at day number one of these
games and you can come join us. Effie, day one of these games in group stage, OG
were looking hot. I was like, oh man, this is gonna be a continuous trend of the
good Dota that they've showcased ever since becoming this roster. And that
boom team looked quite lost. And I was like, okay, well these guys are done.
Both these teams have kind of inverted trajectories on their way and now
Now they're roughly in the same spot at the end of the group stage.
Yeah, it's interesting because O.J. are a team where you watch them and you don't know
like what state you'll get from the game in the sense that our other team's comfortable
playing against them or not.
And I think that they're the kind of team that can kind of get figured out in the
sense that they play one style very well.
And if the enemy team, you know, it's like tier one like we've seen or they're
used to playing against teams like that.
For example, Liquid, everyone had to endure the Liquid, Snowballing and the Liquid tempo.
Teams that have gone up against Liquid a lot, they encounter a team like OG that are Snowballing
out of the lanes that are playing super high tempo and running at you.
They start to get a better understanding of how to play against them.
I think that's basically what happened with OG.
They look really good on their Snowballing, but when they're not, not so much.
Now you're saying, even stylistically, if there's one way to discourage the Snowballing,
it's with strong lane counters and that is something that Bad Boom Team excels at.
Yeah, I mean it's been that boom's identity I feel like ever since they became a team.
And I would say the current iteration of their team seems less lane heavy dominant.
I would say like when they were playing with Nightfall they were like all the way in that
direction.
Then with pure slightly less.
And now with Curetich it's a little bit unclear.
But you can still tell that they have that identity still exists within them.
And I think if you want to slow down a snowballing team, push them in the lanes.
Although there is mental instability as historically been an issue for a Batman team, and so even though they are on the up, I feel it is often times a very tenuous grasp that they have on good times for the scene.
It's one of those things quite, like as long as I can remember watching Batman tournaments, everybody's like,
that boomer thing very well yeah you're like really like oh they crush the
group stage before you got here and I turn up and they're all over the place
or you see them and they're sort of like doing alright and then suddenly they
look really good so I don't know where that inconsistency comes from I don't
know if they're you feel like some teams are super draft dependent and if
they get their draft they run over people and if people figure out how to
draft against them they just sort of look like shit but not shit but you
relatively speaking. So I don't know, there are some teams that are just wildly inconsistent
and I feel like that boom is one of them, sadly. But they're still good to watch!
Every time.
I do think their mental health improved significantly though. Like, while the narrative around this
team still exists, I believe, because it's gonna always exist on a save GPK team,
like them bringing in Miro kind of changed the dynamic a little bit and I imagine
them also bringing in Kiritich was it because from what we've heard of Kiritich
who's like good vibes or I don't know you've played with them in pubs though I
don't know what the vibe is. He's quite a calm yeah yeah so what we were told at
least in interviews last year and such is that a good energy cool guy and I
would hope that with the reintroduction of maybe calm dynamics into the team
but that narrative has fizzled away. Compared to Libid Pure you know
like sure probably a lot more stable reliable you kind of know what you're
gonna get and I play her a lot more you know in the nightfall from such no longer
contributing to the environment you can only have a couple of hotheads on a team
and I think GPK may fill the quota a lot of times they have wisely banned the SF
I hear with a 71% win rate he's been putting up numbers 28 picks this
tournament to get taken out first phase along with win ranger tree and
Protector and shadow demon bedroom team they ban out the Chen the Mars and the bad rider first pick themselves a Jekiro
I mean to get 71% win rate over 28 picks is crazy
But that tells you everything you need to know. I think this here was even higher win rate yesterday
Yeah, it's like or you got owned yesterday
Yeah, I mean this is because I feel like this always happens at events where like some team will play hero
They'll figure it out. They're like, wow, SF is amazing.
So you'll have two or three teams that are SF specialists playing SF,
then everybody else sees the win rate, and they're like,
oh boy, we need to start picking SF.
And then the win rate starts dropping,
but the hero doesn't actually get any worse.
It's just like, usually tends to be a lot of the teams
that don't normally play the hero starts picking it up,
and that just like, kind of fate dilutes the win rate.
It's 71, but it's probably actually 85.
Sure. In the hands of people that know how to play it.
Exactly. Exactly.
I've got this button. I've got it pushed.
I want to see what this is.
Go on, tip them.
Do it.
Tip them.
How many of these do you have?
A whole bunch.
Here's another one.
Why is it on me?
Go on.
Tip them.
Do it.
Where's yours?
Why is it on me?
I wasn't here.
What about this one?
Someone's feeling a little toxic.
That one's good for the skin.
I don't need a voice like that.
Can we stop because I'm going to die?
Oh, really?
Out of humiliation.
Okay.
Thank you.
out of humiliation. Thank you.
This one makes me feel better. Yeah. It brings back the good memories.
It's an F.E. adjacent. Okay. What about this is a this is a good one. It's multi-insanity.
Oh, it's good. Actually, it's a little fun story. I went home yesterday and my friends
that I'm like playing Guild Wars with, they're like begging me to get this video so that they can use it for...
With the thumbs down?
Yeah.
I don't know why there's such big fans of it, but they want to make it into a gift or something, I think.
Well, you'll have to ask...
I don't, I told them no, it's not happening.
There's no way, it's too much power to hand away.
You didn't want it to be able to use...
Let's go Liquid!
Look at me looking away, the next type of...
There's no crowd, where's my crowd?
I feel like that's you looking at a camera person and saying, can I go?
Yeah, that's exactly what I was studying.
I was studying, yeah, I was...
You're getting your full controller with us.
Yes, I know. Very unwise, the production gave me this iPad where I can push buttons like...
This is set myself greatly.
And then they were like, don't overuse it.
So I've just been smashing the buttons as much as I can.
Because I'm unreliable and unpleasant.
Would you have raised your kids as iPad kids if they grew up in that generation?
They fully did. How old do you think my kids are? Yes.
Are they iPad kids?
Yeah, of course. Well, not as in, here's the iPad shut up.
Yeah.
But as in, if you know, it is quite useful to be able to give them iPads some time to something to do.
Case in point.
But, you know, my kids are excellent. They're not very well rounded. They're not crazy or anything like that.
And there's plenty of times when you take devices away.
One thing we always told them was, if you're...
This is something for any parent.
When you're out, don't hit the shut the fuck up button,
because it'll upset me.
If you're out in a restaurant, and you've got a very little kid,
I understand people giving an iPad to their child,
so that they at least just sit through meal,
people gonna enjoy meal.
But no phones at the table, teach your kids to be chill.
What do you think of that?
Come on, guys, fuck it up.
You asked me trolls, whatever your fucking name is.
I've actually been a good one.
Mr. Godna, who asked one?
Who asked, who asked for Kaz and Hoodwink, Betboom team dead and OG get themselves a Gyrocopter?
Yeah, I mean, the Largo as a response to the Gikiro is very good because if you're a 3 you'll be leaning into the 5 Gikiro and you know you just dispel it easily, you could also just flex it to support if you need to.
I reckon they're gonna pick Enigma, but OG, and that's why they've picked Gyrocopter.
I'm like slightly annoyed by this draft and I I feel like when this happens
I always get like a little frustrated so they left Largo in the pool good hero against jacarro, but they banned the Mars
Even though they know they're gonna pick kez out of the face, so to me it just feels like
Bad prep or what's going on because this is like a this is a situation that I feel like 95% of the time
You should have before the series went through what do we think they're gonna ban on the first phase?
What are we going to ban in the first phase? Which are we picking and what are they going to pick as a response?
So this we're gonna go Jakiro and to them going Largo
Cannot be a surprise sure and probably their idea was that we're gonna pick Kaz and that's the like a good answer to that
But if I feel like based on everything I've seen a dream league Largo as a hero seems to do better than Mars when it's like
Not having the best any phase. I think the
The reasoning for them there is that OG have flexed Mars to mid before, that is something very specific to them, so they just don't want to deal with the Mars flex, and if they think that Mars would counter picked by Kess, sorry.
Do you like that pick the Marana?
Let me think about it for a second, I think if Mars were to go mid, then that makes the Kess counter not as good, and then they get this timing that they can play on with like a Mars playmaking while Largo is farming that they want to avoid.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Marana does provide a lot of damage from a distance with Starfall, but the hero is a bit questionable in the sense that she requires a lot to pull off.
So she needs partners, like she needs kill combos, right? She needs to be able to play with stunners on her team, and I only see Lyon so far.
Like, unless they get some DK from the mid lane that Marana can always play with, I am a bit curious what they think with this hero, because for now all I see is I'm in my shadow.
I feel like Yopaj is a force spirit slash stun mid hero type player anyway.
They will guarantee you get that from Yopaj.
It's not like Yopaj is going to play S-S.
So you think he's going mid with Ragnan?
No, no. I'm saying no matter what, the setup will come from Yopaj's hero.
The way they draft is regardless of if it's good or not,
Yopaj is playing temple because that's what fits him as a player and what he likes to do.
So the setup is probably going to be coming in from whatever the slaspik is.
And it will need to be there because as we've remarked time and time again OG's success comes from early game snowballing momentum
Yeah, and if you can have kill combos like a marana plus one that makes it very easy
Especially because for as much as we're hyping up bet boom type trip typically doing lane counters. It's not really happening in this draft
I beg to disagree. Oh mommy bristleback very good here against gyrocopter
Because if you think about how Jara Cocker plays, he usually just spams out the wave and
eventually pushes creeps into your tower, you can pull the camps, and he does more damage
to you and you do nothing.
Like you're just receiving flat counter hits.
But Bristle's one of the few heroes that can just turn his back and laugh at you,
because now I'm dealing damage back at you at the same rate.
So Jara doesn't really feel comfortable spamming his flax the same way, because he gets the
quills stacked up, and then he just starts hitting owned himself.
And if you try to run him down with your rocket barrage, even more quills.
So it is actually exactly what I would like to touch on, a great lane counter to Jara.
I also think Kez is very good against melee offlaners in general, including Largo.
But he's also overwhelming damage for Largo.
This hero does a ridiculous amount of physical damage and to play against Largo's group uptime
and you just want to be able to kill him before all the heals come in and Kez does that quite well.
I have a question for Ted.
We've watched Bristleback now for two years in competitive Dota.
Dota. How does that make you? It's been two years in this hero. What are the feelings that
elicits in you?
Well, I think there are some heroes that are... it's very hard to make them crap without completely
changing the hero. And we were talking about Beastmaster a lot the last few days about
this is a hero that just always seems to come around. Same with Batrider. It doesn't
matter what tournament it is, Batrider seems to be coming, although he's very strong
at the moment. I feel like the thing is with some heroes, if you change Bristol back too
much, he's just not playable at all. So they can tweak the numbers a little bit and cheek
tweak the values. And sometimes he's a little overt, you know, sometimes he's maybe a little
under tuned, but he's just such a dependable guy for all the reasons that people point
out. How do you bully this guy? Like once he gets a few levels, he can just exist.
And it's just too good conceptually to it opens up too much. We can just say,
Bristol you're okay alone now on Eve. Yes great. We'll go do other shit
He's just he's just one of those heroes
I think and especially in the hands of some players like you know, you get ATF on this here
It's just like his favorite or whatever. It's like people love this here. You can't change it too much
So you don't feel feelings of disgust. No, I mean a because I like playing in his body
He's a good character. He's a kind of an iconic hero. I like him a lot Bristol back
Bristol back
I don't think he is boring
I do miss the old ads where you turn and just went
And it was really good now. It's not as good. Mm-hmm
When you had the combo with that and lifesteal and you just did that and you will fall out
I don't know. It was fun. That's my favorite Bristol moments are when like four heroes go on them
Yeah, yeah, and then like three of them by yeah, there's this really old matu clip where he's playing Bristol back and they like
Three heroes pull up to gank him and like he does nothing
He just turns his back just exists and then he tabs down
They like those and washes is I don't I just does anything but play the game and it gets like a triple kill
Yeah, I mean look, you know, it's on you
You know you're up against this hero get some break or something if you can't figure that out in the draft
And you can buy it and if you can't figure that out you deserve to get fucked over by Bristol
That's the way I think you agree with that syndrome
I really like this tiny pick by Batum because they took away one of Oji's more successful
mid heroes that also provides stun.
And now they put Oji in a situation where it looks like a great timber game, right?
Because you see all of these tanky heroes, but I actually don't think it's that good
of a timber game in regards to the entire team's draft.
You have this Marana that's going to be playing without setup.
You have this Largo that's countered on lane.
You have the styro whose lane should be fine, but Bristleback will probably get more out
of that eventually.
So I just don't think they've set themselves up on OG to snowball out of lane, which is
when they was the best.
And Wettman's draft to me looks a lot more well-rounded.
They have a half-brake in the hoodwink, right?
Like they're built in break for the Timber in the hoodwink.
It's less...
I guess Timber, it doesn't really matter that much, because usually he will have
a stacks already built up.
Even if you disarm him and he already has the armor stacks, it actually doesn't remove
the bonus armor.
You just don't get more bonus armor.
Not as important.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
But yeah, like Mara said, drafts integrity definitely on the left boom side.
And for Yopaj and OG it's all about snowballing Timberline.
Marana doesn't need any set of thick arrows, just free shot him.
They'll get him every single time.
That's why they picked Timberline.
You don't need set ups in the mid.
I mean there wasn't a good mid hero to put in that archetype when the tiny got taken away and the emperor was bound up
Yeah, so they were just like, okay
Let's just try to pick Timbersaw and just kill all of these pinky heroes the issue that is them if that doesn't happen
What else do you have going for you?
Yeah, I think generally when you don't have like good drafts integrity
It's not that you're drafting it when it's more like you're not as well-rounded to face all the potential problems
Like, if you mess up a fight somewhere, or you end up taking some bad decision, like you make one bad decision somewhere,
you just don't have that much to fall back on.
It kind of has to work, because I think if this Timber gets shot down,
Timber's your answer to Tiny in the lane phase, he's your answer to Bristle in the midgame.
He's supposed to be doing all these things that fix their draft,
and if he can't manage to do that, then suddenly everything kind of just falls apart.
And if it did exist in a vacuum and I had to look at just Kaz and Shirokochter head-to-head,
Who do you take in that carry mashup?
I mean, Kes for me is one of the ultimate late game carries.
I mean, Jiro can do cool stuff with Riker and whatnot,
but if it's a pure 1v1 battle, I feel like Kes takes that.
Yeah, I feel like if you do the two generals pull up their armies
and they just walk down the hill and hit each other, Kes definitely wins that one.
Well, let's see if it plays out that way.
Let's get into a game number one with Kat and that's good shit.
Welcome, everybody, to a very important match between Betboom and OG.
One of these two teams is going to be moving on to Group Stage 2.
Or to get a chance at doing so, OG needs a 2-0 here in order to have a tiebreaker with Betboom again.
Dude, that's rough.
Yeah, that's right. It means they basically have to win three games against BedBoom.
I don't know if our tiebreaker is best one or best of three.
Well, best of three.
Time to show up or show up at the airport.
That's the same.
It is the best of three.
So they have to win four games against BedBoom.
The battle begins.
It's doable here. We've seen OGFs some really good days when they're on, so you just gotta hope if you're an OG fan that they're on today.
Well, they had some practice with Best of Fives. That blast. That's true.
This is like a really one-sided Best of Five.
I will say, game one of the day, nothing inspires more confidence than Lyon.
Lion!
This hero is so trash, man.
Wait, did it lose when we were casting yesterday?
I don't remember.
What team was that?
We casted a lion.
You talked about how trash you were.
Oh yeah, uh, save played it.
You won that game.
Does that give you a little bit more confidence?
No.
You think they won because it was save?
Yeah, he's an Alliance specialist.
He is.
They are very...
Oh, he skips a little plane with the hero.
He's dead.
I just don't really see the purpose of the line here other than they wanted to...
Well, Kyrgyz might be dead as well.
Pull back a little catchy lick.
Oh, Makoto.
Niko's dead.
Okay, Niko's dead instead.
Yeah.
I can't find a Jikiro, no matter who you are.
This is the issue with the line here for me, is if it doesn't win the lane,
I don't only see the direct purpose for it in the game,
that I'm gonna hex Kez and all-in Kez, which I think is not something that often works out that easily
And you're not winning the lane anyway, so
Okay, I do think instant
Disable reactions and it's decent against Tiny, right? He wants to blink into his combo.
I would not enjoy playing lane against Tiny. Well
Maybe that exact one-on-one isn't great for you, but
it. It's a reactionary hero. I feel like they picked it because none of their cores
have disabled. They're trying to compensate with some of these supports. But I think you
should rather play the other way around in Modern Dota. You rather have cores that
can go in and slow people or stun them and then damage follow up from your supports.
It's very hard for supports to be your initiators in the Modern Age of Dota 2. It's just
way more difficult to execute
it's a pub tip for all you guys out there
don't depend on just your supports to provide disables
if you want, especially in these pub drafts when you pick in the supports first
if your supports don't provide any stuns, maybe you should provide some
well no, that's just stupid, awesome
let's give this game a beat up down a little bit
he's not having a great time
just need to get to level 2, things might be a little bit better
these lanes are generally like, oh jeers
getting hammered with the Spell Spam.
That's been coming out to play early here.
I think mid will go better for Yopas over time.
But otherwise, the three lanes early all going well for BedBoom.
Do you think BedBoom is still a lane dominant team?
And they need to do well in lanes?
No, not as much anymore.
Okay, you think they've evolved past that?
Yeah, I don't think they're super snowballing in squad.
I think Kiritage is more of a slow build-up carry player.
Okay.
He's not someone who's going to whole lanes run the game over.
I think Pure had more of those types of games.
Agreed.
But this is more of just like a slow, steady pace.
Let's play the map.
Let's say he do his thing, start picking some people off,
methodically get some objectives, and scale into that mid-late,
and that's where this team prefers to strike.
So losing lanes against them isn't the biggest deal,
because I don't think they're really going to take it and turn it into
just crazy chaotic disc.
In fact, in this series, you're probably more worried about the OG windlands, yeah, like, do they just take the game over?
But they've also been throwing a lot of those games in the mid-game.
Their transition off of lane lengths is often too successful in this event, compared to some of the previous events where it looked a lot cleaner.
We might be seeing a lot of that right there.
Scan trying to hit arrows without any setup.
Yeah, again, like, why did he want Marauda specifically with this lineup?
I mean, they have just no setup for it.
Is there do you think that?
We know it's going to be a very far me support sure, and that's one of the strengths of OG
Do you think we're on a can fit that with the whole arrow? Oh, yeah?
This here was definitely a farming fire. Okay, you can get super fat. You can buy any utility item in the game
You're not item dependent for your kit. It's a very good utility buyer
And you have leaps so you can almost always position to use it and you're fairly hard to kill on your own
There's a reason snaking one ati on this hero
It's a very powerful fight, honestly. I think it's underrated for those reasons.
I just pulled back in with the bush whack. That's going to be a lot of damage. Miro did not want to go for the dive.
The pressure is good enough, it seems, especially lacking any regen on the Jarocopter.
He's going to have to borrow tangos from Skem, and those just aren't as effective as they used to be.
There's... from Minutes Zero, honestly.
When Skem died the first time, it's just getting spammed out of this matchup.
And I kinda like how Pepino playing this.
Just winning the net worth overtime by forcing Jiro off the waves.
They're not gonna force the all-in kill, but they're winning all these little trades.
And Bristle's great at that.
And it's annoying, catchy lick is such a good answer to Jikiro, but it means they can't
use it offensively.
We saw them try to do it earlier in order to kill Kiritich.
It didn't work out, instead Largo died, so kinda just have to hold that defensively,
just fight.
of their probably their game plan was being able to be real aggro with this
dude back to just stacking if your Tim's here gotta get something out of this
downtime probably look towards the power room get a ward out and go back for
the stacks you can get the power room for your posh be super nice is eventually
winning this lane that's kind of break that took a lead over GPK and boss
or you know low not quite dead they will not be able to get in the power room
Maybe he'll be able to get him a kill, though, with the Twisted Chakram and the regular Chakram coming through.
Niko gets the last hit.
Alright, that's something.
At least he gets the lane out of the exchange because he guaranteed the lost power room there with it spawning bottom.
If he became going to pick that up, he's going to stay on the lane a little longer, but...
mid lanes go pretty well for this Timbersaw.
And they need this Timbersaw to be a power-hossless game.
To me, he is the pick that brings it all together.
He can bring the supports into the game. He can give you the kill threat on these tanky boys.
Yopaj needs to pop off here.
Then this draft comes together for OG.
It's also kind of the purpose of the Largo.
I think the Largo, he can play through the Timber too, so...
Everybody's a little dependent on Yopas here.
Yeah, it does sound pretty nasty these two...
tanky boys.
Largo amping up the damage of the Timbersaw, and keeping him healthy.
The Timbersaw will...
you know, generally speaking, delete.
Many of these here. I think Croak is quite good on this hero too.
Mm-hmm.
The reverb is nice, but also the mana loss?
I think any time you can get that to have an effect then it makes the spell really good and I think mana cost reduction on timber is
Insanely good to me
It's like timbers form in Lesh are some of the best mana loss heroes in Dota
mana cost
reduction, what whatever the hell you want to call it
Yes, I
Mean it is funny how popular kaios on this one the meta right now
Yo Paj, yeah we'll be able to timber chain back in and then, you know, Kaisan's so popular and then Val brought any hero that gives you some benefit of Kaisan.
Orgy pulling his back a little bit here in the second half, at the same stage, but still
like some more core connections for this Timbersoft, they can get him, force him to power runes,
as if anyone's flying there and bringing supports mid.
Look for exactly that.
You go for the power runes, and you're losing a lot of damage on tower though.
That might be a kill on GPK, keep your distance, see if they can burn him out, and I'm
Pull the chakram back fast enough to twist the chakram, plus the catchy lick coming in from Niko.
Yopaj is able to just hammer-chain away, and everybody of Blue G gets out successfully after getting the kill on GPK.
They still lose power once again at spawn's bottom.
Yeah, I'm lucky.
I'm bringing everybody top, and it's another great one bottom.
Might even be able to hold it for the tiny respawn.
Should be super nice. These are some good 6 and 8 minute runes here.
GPK.
But nice support rotation. God, I protect the Oplosions game as Betboom are trying to make him the point of attack.
Their supports are also pretty strong behind this Tiny. It's gonna be a big focal point for them.
A lot of long-range spell damage follow up on a Tiny combo in this game with Sharpshooter, Ice Path, Macro.
You get caught by GBK, you're likely just dead.
Nothing's gonna bail you out in this game. It's a way later.
Well, this mid tower will probably go down eventually just because Jakiro Tiny won't have
abilities that can chip away at it.
But the Timbersaw is getting fat in the meantime, has some stacks to get through, so he's catching
up.
I find it enough it's the two offlaners in this game that are the most far.
Largo having a nice time top, just kind of chillin', which is more than I expected.
I thought Kez would have maybe abused it a bit more.
I think he just got really lucky because both of his rotations, he got the last hit on the kill.
He's got three kills.
But it's Miro having a time of his life.
Nobody has touched this person.
Got that initial kill and then he's just been pulling waves to the neutrals, ultra farming it up.
Early blade mail.
Almost done here and it's gonna be a strong blade mail.
There's a lot of uncontrollable damage in this one.
Concerned for OG, like how do you deal with blade mail bristle here?
of the
other is told to any of them for four seconds and then restarted
the U.S. and two of the age of that
slide sear that has to use a small to do it for some reason
Do a finger of death up though.
That gives you a little more kill threat around the map.
Find some connections.
And I assume, oh gee, you're gonna want to defend this mid tower.
Much as possible in this game.
Don't want to let the jikiro just start hitting it.
You gotta be wary of the bristle swinging around mid with the early blademail if he wants to fight and the tiny blink.
It's coming out soon.
And as GPK smoked top, this would finish a form if he could land a big kill.
Catch the highest net worth hero on OG, Biko.
Holding onto the toss.
100 to 0 and that is also a killing spree because again, you got the last hit on every single one of these kills, so a little bit of extra gold.
He didn't go to GPK though, that's kind of big because he was trying to finish the blank.
I mean, he could get it all because here, it was perfectly fine as battle theory is coming in for here pretty soon.
But that tiny one, go get it delayed a little bit.
Scan, gonna block out the ancients, man.
heavily focused on the economy game here, blocking out ancients in medium camp, though
nothing exact to weigh more on the side of OG.
Just playing to farm, but they're not really playing ahead in that department.
Yeah.
So we'll slow down the bristle a little bit.
That said, he already has the play mill, maybe Miro's just gonna go fight anyway.
BCC's all his camps are blocked
Gotta be careful making aggressive moves here is OGE. You do not want to go under a tower over commit give Bristol back that great fight
You're gonna regret it. You just want to get the quick kill and get the hell out
Unfortunately, even if this lands, which is certainly will
The battle here was already purchased by Kiritip. So the great kill still
You had your finger death charge
Again, it's a quick kill. You're just in. He's dead. There's no ability for this
bristle to come in and get a fight. Miro doesn't have the resources right now.
Anyway, you know, you can get some quick tower damage. Here are all those
TPs. There you go. G just back off. They read that really well. Niko's still
getting caught by the Avalanche here. The bushwhack. Pull back in.
Start shooter shot. Any help from the team here? Acropyre even, but Niko's
He's gonna be okay, he'll give him a Lotus and that's all he needs.
That was a really nice play by Oji.
Cause again, you would know these responses are coming in, you do not want to over extend.
They got multiple TPs to get the timing up there with the blink, with another Power
Roon.
Lose nobody?
That's super valuable here.
This game just backed up blocking it.
How annoying is this man?
Seriously.
What is wrong with this guy?
Disgusting.
I mean, it's so weird that like stacking has been so prevalent in the meta for so long,
but I feel like blocking out has not been really anybody's MO since the bigger map.
It just's not fun.
Nobody enjoys just sitting here blocking camps forever, you know?
I thought you were going to say because of the larger map you block out the hand
I legit think it's a reason they failed there are certain things in Dota that are efficient and you're supposed to do them a theory
The players don't do because it's incredibly boring not fun or tedious. I think there's a big reason how the Dom didn't get played more
I think from a theory standpoint, you're supposed to buy Dom every single game when it was broken
There is no downside to this item if you use it well to manipulate waves and farm camps for free and the
extra regional lane, but a lot of players don't want to play it in five because it's annoying to play with
It's boring or tedious or stupid like they don't want to do it, you know
And ultimately you're playing the game so you got a funnel you're playing
She's saying total players are humans some hot and they're not all machines
Some of them are
Animals that's true
Gibber chain chase after Katomi TV already coming in from the hood way pretty fast reaction finger of death
They're trying for that quick kill not so quick and not a kill
Katomi does not go down and now Niko is going to be in some trouble.
To kill on Tens and other bushwhack lands,
Bed Boom!
Heavy punishment.
They are well aware that Oji is not going to go to the bottom lane.
Not into that where that Bristleback has been setting up camp.
So the only play they can really make is at this top lane.
That's the exact play we saw earlier.
Only Oji over coming at this time.
Do not respect the CD potential.
That boom bring five heroes and they get rewarded here
No posh quick enough to just be bail the second he saw the support coming in so you don't lose your timber but
And the map is tough for oji to play right now
They're gonna lose their wisdom shrine as well. Yeah, that's rough another big blow
You just don't have that easy of chill threat on four heroes like
If you see tiny farming mid, you know, GBK just showed mid.
Is there a threat on GBK in this game?
I don't see it, man.
Is there a threat on Bristol in this game?
I don't see it.
So if you're Beth, you can just aggressively keep pushing waves in, farming up the stacks,
and OG are slowly losing some health control.
All the movement...
Oh, look, actually got him out of there.
Okay.
All that movement worked out.
Managed to dodge the game with Beth, I think.
I'm out of talks. Look at that, man. Aerial lick.
Pulls him out of the avalanche, A.W.E.
Lessons the damage significantly.
Yoink!
What a hero.
You know, someone about has some, like, weird tongue finish.
Oh, my God.
No, I'm serious.
I think this is not a conspiracy.
I think this goes back to countless of their games.
This has been a trend.
What the fuck are you talking about, brother?
I mean, the most obvious one is Blacklist.
Oh, what the hell?
No, no.
Because this guy agrees with it.
Okay, I have a watching rate.
Expand I mean the the smoker from left or dead
Okay, yeah, you know what I'm saying
I'm telling you
Don't like she's like taking me another example besides two in 25 years. There's probably one in half like somewhere
Chad if you could go ahead and find us another tongue reference in ball games. Thank you
Cause 2 is not a trend.
A trend for me man.
3.
3 is a trend.
Oh, goodbye Natsumi.
This is the difference in the game for me.
I think the supports behind GPK can do a lot more than supports behind Yopahs right
now.
So you're just stuck kind of farming if you're OG until more of your damage comes
online which is probably Largo-Aggs, a big component, and probably like the first damage
item for the Gyro, so you can actually try and bring some of these big boys down, but
right now the map is totally free for Pepoom.
I mean, Yopah's got a shield broon, he just saw three heroes in the bottom part of the
map and he's scared to push in mid.
Oh, there you go, there it is, the Half-Life.
Wait, what was that?
I missed it.
What's the head drop?
Yeah, that thing.
That's awesome. So there you go. That's three for three now
Getting convinced now telling you it's all the same guy you could be gay
I'm not gonna start talking about that the billionaire
Kind of tell me
Arrow slips on by it doesn't matter bristle back gets in there immediately gets stunned up
This is Largo axe fight. Oh super strong tiny for OG. I don't know if that boom
I really want to take that on.
Is OG strong enough to do Roshan?
They are with the Largo timing, but it's not fast.
So yeah, you can force it down here.
This is not the scariest Roshan war fight.
No positive, even throwing a Chakram in there or anything.
They're keeping all their resources.
Now he's like, alright, they don't seem to be fighting.
Goes to the other side. Maybe that's when we're going to get back in here, though.
Jark up the rail. What a bushwhack!
They are going to be able to get the Aegis and Roshan.
I'm not a problem here. Naxumi is gonna probably die and lose this stage. It's VKB from Curitif.
This is why Betboom was willing to take this fight. On the second life, the Jarcopter is gonna be surrounded, not really a way out of this one.
Well, they got it away from Betboom, if that was their goal.
Toss back on Eniko. Perhaps a plus one, and he is running low on resources here. Both health and mana. Little boost, get him out, arrow comes through.
What a hit from Yopash after that arrow and the spike comes in from the lion
That's what lion can give to you a
Two or three man stun leading to a triple kill for Yopash beautiful call from OG to bail out the Largo there
He's dead for sure, but hey gets gets wand off a couple more strums of that banjo and
Tim's comes in with a beautiful impale you're able to turn that fight around there to your damage dealer in the timber
Saw exactly what you want to see
That did not look like a convincing roche, but in the end it kind of works out.
Yeah, I mean, they want to take away too badly here.
Just a beautiful impale positioning into the arrow chain stun, all of your control lands,
and that's when Slav's gonna look really good.
I do feel like Kiritich kind of jumped the gun with his BKB there on the pit.
Kind of a wasted BKB in the grand scheme of things, sure.
Which, I think that's fine, just to cure the fight.
It's just once you've used that DKB, like you can't be chasing him too much, right?
He could have been just happy with winning the Roshan fight.
Well, I guess that's a good fight for OG, I mean.
You can get the Shard for the line, which is huge for that hero,
because he really wants the Shard, but you really don't want to buy it.
Yeah, to me it's like one of the highest ratios at Dota in terms of...
How much I want it versus how little I want to purchase it.
and how court is on the hero. Unfortunately for him, I don't actually know if this is the
best shard game, right, because if he gets jumped by Tiny, he's just gonna die 100% and
then if he stands there channeling, he's probably gonna die in a Bristleback or a Kiritage.
A lot of physical damage from those two. For me, it's more about the multi-drain
in the break distance.
I mean, I think the, like, yeah, becoming debuff immune is super nice, but just being
able to go in, impale, finger, hack somebody, and then you drop this, and if you're managing
two or three of these cores, it's gonna add up quicker.
It's a very good manager.
It is.
All three of these cores.
They have very limited mana pools, and they all need the mana to go in and out of the
fight, get multiple rounds of spells off.
If you're managing Bristle, Pops and Diffusal, Gyro, Pog, Bat Shust, if you're managing the Tiny, he's just useless in the fight, he does nothing without mana.
And if you're managing Kez, it's surprisingly good, that's going to be the hardest one to get here, but he's also a carry that's pretty dependent on his spells to deal damage.
Yeah, you don't think of him too much, just because his mana cost is so low for his spells, but he is very dependent on this.
So, no, I think it is tough to manage him to a point where, like, you debilitating him, but...
Again, it's a very good manager if Tim's never just sit there.
Yeah, like, for three or four seconds.
Diffusal Blade isn't probably ever gonna be that good against K.A.S., but...
Lion, Madrain is another beast.
That's the lion. He's been the hellin' back.
Back to hell and...
Back again.
GpK is gonna get hexed up though, this is not gonna be a clean jump from that boom.
Now, okay, I have to just BKB TP out.
Tomy tries to slow him down, but I think he knows his life, his forfeit.
Oh, you're hitting this little Largo mid-game powerspike, where his strength gain plus
the axe timing adds up and all of a sudden you start to question, can we kill this
frog and if you can't kill the frog are you killing anybody yeah I think um I I'm feeling
at this point that boom probably shouldn't take any fight without Miro because now you
got DKB on Charmhawk so how are you threatening him if he's next to Wargoth well your damage
is bristle or kiss hey guys that are chain stunned yeah this like the the pick-off team
who's who's great for the first 15 minutes the tiny plus squirrel you know but we have
evolved to pass that. And OG, they're on the hog if you can feel it.
Nice bit of vision on Amiro, they're gonna jump him.
Betboom, they are behind him here but it may not save Amiro or maybe it will actually.
Niko, he's gonna try and play them out of here.
And they've learned their lesson Betboom is not gonna take his wargo lightly.
That tells you how much respect they have for this hero right now.
Seriously, like, GPK sitting there, he doesn't have BKB, but you could absolutely have jumped in
and re-initiated that. Missing support ulti's for the re-engage.
There's an Amp damage that just spawned in the river, so maybe the right call here from Vepu.
They do bail their Burstle out.
And that might get Miro to his BKB.
Oh, your pot is getting big. Hold on.
He's taking it, he's getting more baby. He's tossing him up to the high ground,
and he's going to be ice-capped and ice-delated.
That is a rough position to be in.
Look him out, trying to get him out with the catchy lick.
The arrow comes through, hits Kiritich during his BKB, so he's okay.
Grappling claw backwards once again, Largo, and the jarcopters show up,
and Bedboom full retreat.
Kiritich hit by the missile, now the follow-up with the ultimate, and the double dies.
And it's gonna be 50 seconds down for the Kez, Miro trying to fight it out,
and there goes all his mana.
Oh, Jesus, running.
The ball.
And Largo's doing work in this game.
He's still gonna try to take him with his damn damage, it's close, but he can't quite finish up, not Sumi.
He needs another hit with his BKB, slow down by the acorn shot, and GBK just needs one hit to put him down.
He's gonna die for it, but he did get the carry of OG.
Yopaj is more than happy with this situation though, because it's gonna be a damn near wipe.
There is the takeout save at the end.
It's worth it for GBK, because you gotta get something out of this exchange.
He does get a lot.
Just going in with that rune.
But that effectively becomes a team white for OG. They're super happy about that.
This Gyro is...it's not an end-all BL Gyro game where he has to have a perfect game to win.
The damage and the impacts split across all three cores here pretty nicely.
That boom.
Having issues choosing the moments for these BKBs, like they go and use BKBs, don't get a lot, and they're just getting chased down.
To have your Kez die to a miscal, that feels real bad.
Nothing really fails him out in this line of bliss, you can toss him away.
Yeah, if that avalanche hit on Yopage, it's gonna be real close to killing him there with
the Double Damage Tree Toss.
But instead he lifts another missile lands.
I've never seen a better homing missile play.
Yes, they're good for my life.
Dear Lord, did he get that?
Yeah, that's felt.
That's why you don't skill stats, kids.
That were an Arteezy Gyroid before 04 and he never would have stunned the Kess.
I don't know why I picked him, but, you know, it's probably watches.
I think he's probably playing Pugs.
That's true.
If that were an Eternal Energy Gyro, that pipe would have no spells at all.
Could have worked out even better. Or worse.
I'm going to say worse.
But it is a 50-50.
First of all, BKB flying out!
He's got it now.
His game got really slow now, though.
Yeah, does this change the fights?
If you could just get on top of some of these heroes and run them down, it does, but...
It's like they already had the BKB on the Tiny and the Kez, and...
Bebcombe's been losing fights. It's the third BKB you're tying it all together.
She had more damage from his kez, but the battlefield build was just so much slower.
The damage to come online.
Yeah, not a kez player, but watching it, he does, um, I don't love it.
I'm not a fan of the battlefield build, but Kiritich will always do this, so.
And the ultra long run, yeah, pays off.
But I think you just missed so many of the early mid game windows of this heroine.
I don't think he really needs the item.
Keep the bar right there.
See?
He's gonna TP the other side, can't tell me.
Time to TP away!
Does die.
But...
Betboom getting Niku in the mid lane.
He's a better trade-off for Betboom.
Frog down.
Now they're going to try and defend and catch anybody at the top lane, though P.G. is smart enough not to stick around.
An early Satanic will not do me worth noting here is...
It's going to buff his HP pull-up, which is nice when you have Largo, but I'd make some more of a frontline in this game.
Yeah, like they just want to win the fight with overwhelming spell damage and cooldowns.
Not necessarily gyro, physical, DPS.
And also I can kind of see it. I mean I can kind of see because they're already winning fights Tim's walking into
Oh God, what a bush whack. Yopaj's BKB will bail him out of a lot of this and would not to be coming in with the
St. Tannock he's pretty much untouchable so bedroom starting to back away Cairo is gonna be cut down as Yopaj jumps back into the fray
That was an incredible bush whack
I do not know how he's landed on. Here's his bold move here trying to get the pickoff on scam
Yeah, he had to force him into DKB.
Okay, he's far enough away, he's good, he's good.
There's power satanic we saw.
Now, Tumi just running down blade mail, bristle, did not care.
Even the slightest.
So my feelings on it is I don't think Natsumi was in danger anyway because he has Largo.
So I would have preferred more damage.
Largo, what my god does.
He wants to save the timber from here.
Okay.
Well, I think it's nice. You can't get bursted by some like tiny hoodwing jump.
Then you can just Titanic turn around.
Yeah.
I like this game. I think if you just tank up here, your spells will win you the fight.
That has been proven. Oh gee.
They've been winning these fights purely or largely off of spells for the last five minutes.
Don't know if that ever changes.
Think about that, I mean again, do you really want to jump this guy?
He's got the Aegis God, BKB, Static, man, you can't touch him!
Natsumi is not to be fucked with.
BKB, TB out, Bed Boom.
Better just hope that they can get their cores out of here with their BKBs.
Natsumi, nice body blocking, get in front of Miro, beautiful stuff.
Is that going to be enough, Yopage?
Does not want to jump back in, fair enough.
Can't burst these heroes down anymore.
There's two of your vkbs used for what?
Watch Gyro run at your face, GPK does get the room behind him, it's only a shield for him.
I guess, like what was the ideal version of that plate for Petko?
Like they think they can burst down Gyro in the first life and then they're gonna retreat?
Chain stun him while Ches and Bristle do some of his gold, take the Aegis to get the hell out.
There's nothing that stuns you through BKBs, you can always just nightfall out of these invasions.
Crashing into the jikiroling, one maintain hold over this area.
You don't want it.
It was hidden by the line cosmetic.
Pay to lose.
Feels bad man.
Well, Natsumi has plenty of farm, so it's not like his Daedalus is that delayed, he already
has the Crystalist built up.
It's gotta be Butterfly on Kaz and just go.
I think I'm not really able to dye his hair blue because of the hair.
No, it's probably because of Toro today.
I think Toro dyed it because of the hair.
Probably, yeah.
Dying room promotion? You got a banner?
I mean, why not? I feel like you've already proven you're incredibly strong.
There's tossbacks into the base here though.
though. Like he can toss people and he dies bad. The position is really messed with.
I'm gonna throw that blade now. Good hero, that's gonna be the Aegis there.
Jail is the Bristol. Good guy, he died fast. Nice hero.
He's getting stuff done. Got the gym. Yeah. Oh, oh missed goal.
GPK, you gotta be caught on all this. He has a BKB, just does not get a chance
to use it. That's such a rough play for him.
Went for the tossback didn't get it did not pop BKB
There was that line hex in to inhale into missile stuff
Overlapped perfectly
That'll be higher. I don't know what you were gonna back off there like all right. We lost ages time to go chill
Gbk says none of you're pushing
Consented with an opportunity that now an eco also has uh, he's bkb coming through so
So, they can't kill him quickly.
I mean, Kez simply does not do enough damage to threaten this Largo.
He's just gonna run away and play his songs.
Oh, that's Kez is really doing anything in this game.
Yeah.
I don't like these battle theory builds.
I think it's just too...
It's too much of misuse of the hero, and it's so team dependent.
Like, your team's owning that his battle theory will carry, but then I think
this hero should carry in those positions anyway.
So it's not really changing the needle too much for me.
Yopah's fighting in the back of this.
Desu gives me that heavier power spike early, but also
even helps with the damage of the crystal as well.
Right, I think it has good team's energy, better for Roshan.
I only give reduces to your farming that much.
The downside is you don't get the inner regen.
It's kind of the one-up side of battle theory, is you get the early corncopia.
Heritage trying to kill Tim's get out real quick
So that is his complete butterfly I
Just the do you think the butterfly actually increases his survivability by more than let's say
10 15%
There's still a lot of spellbender in this game. Yeah, not really once this vkb is out if og are alive
They saw him once he's just dead. Yeah, so I feel like for that part of the butterfly
You know, obviously it's still a great offensive item. I just feel like the evasion isn't really doing too much for him here.
But he's trying to get to that permanent attack speed kez.
Gonna need a little bit more time for that though.
What are you studying there?
The level 20 talent?
You looking at the level 20?
Yeah, I'm just saying how much armor it gets on average, oh yeah.
But not exactly a 20 armor.
Pretty stupid.
to a crimson guard, I mean...
It's always decent against Gyro.
Toss back onto the Gyrocoff, into the ice bath, all in for Gyro, but it got off the BKV satanic!
And that's probably, even if they can kill him at this point, the damage is already done.
Oh gee, it's just a question of how many heroes can they run down.
They're gonna stop the cat as he can't get away.
A finger is dead to put him down. Only the Chikiro gets away.
way oh that's to me pathetic that was as close to pathetic I mean it wasn't even
close really wasn't that close that's the outscaled in this game absolute
Largo Dota to perfection but put this hero behind some tanky boys and make
them absolutely unkillable with the heals the armor the extra buffs game
just dance just like that GG OG one game of form they're on their way to get to
the second group stage beating out that book pretty convincing game from them
I don't know if we'll be seen as far going to definitely brought this draft
together in that big game and OG play well around it's kind of their style
anyway yeah they just want to have this little ball go hit their item
timings and run you over so it's very natural hero for them to play in I
I don't like that they've had great answers for it.
I think they had some options, but with the battle theory,
Kez, it slows down your entire game plan.
You don't have the early minus armor.
So then once Kez gets to that 20 talent,
plus all the grooving armor, everyone has 20 armor in this ball,
like, how are you cutting through this
with a mostly physical lineup at that point?
I need to either define more pickoffs
with this tiny, like, assassin core with the supports,
so that the game snowball is more their way,
or get this Kez online earlier.
But one of those two things has to happen.
as the game changes have been super slow for Vepu,
and you're just watching OG farm up their Largo-Aggs
and their ball, and they're doing crazy tank things.
Yopaz never died in this game.
Yeah, remember all the pressure they were trying to put on mid?
And Yopaz dodged that early bit,
got through to mid game where he was largely untouchable.
This is the start.
OG, a lot more games to go
if they want to be able to get into group stage two,
but a very dominant game one.
I will continue that voice line as they continue their journey because as you heard from Cap,
this is just game one of a potential four games that they have to win to remain in a
Dream League season 28 because first they need to get a 2-0 here to tie that boom team
in a game score and then they need to beat them in investor three to break the tie.
They step in the right direction despite them not picking true to their claim to fame of
Snowball early win game. They're showing a new type of dynamic
They're showing that they can make a mid-game comeback and that's gross out of this team. Yeah, it's cool to see
I love it when you expect the team to play a certain way
And you think if they'll do anything else, they'll just lose and then they prove you wrong
it's it's honestly really cool feeling and
And it's a good thing to show the entire Dota scene, like all the teams out there that are watching, like,
Okay, you know what?
Yo-Pyre isn't always gonna play the Stun, Link-Stun hero.
And it's not like they will just pick Murana and not combo it with anything.
Like it's not giving you any signals, it doesn't guarantee it.
The way that I have felt like going through their games before this series, I would have felt like
He will play that hero. It does not matter what matchup it is.
But he had a really great performance on this Timbersaw and I wanted to kind of highlight two things in the series
I think first of all GPK, he shows what an amazing laner he is
He's playing Tiny against Timber and at 10 minutes the net worth is dead even
And it speaks values to a lot to GPK's strength as a laner
But also how Bat Boom are able to move their heroes to the mid laner and help them make sure to be even on net worth
This should be a Timber favorite matchup
It absolutely is. Yes, absolutely.
And then what's really cool is we also get a highlight of like what makes Yopaj so good.
It is how he approaches his teamfights and how he uses his skills in these situations as
he's going to come in and get a triple kill.
Their carry just got Aegis and died, but he still goes in.
They turned his fight around and this is like the turning point in the game.
Up until this point, Bedboom had a very, very strong position.
And then two teamfights back to back, Yopaj really being the main act here.
cleaning all the kills up and guaranteeing them a big advantage in this game.
We're not seeing these kind of struggling at this point.
I give Yopatch credit for cleaning it up, but Tim's getting a ravage with Lion's Add.
Lovely stun.
That is how you manage this turn of fight around.
There's only one thing you do in a situation like that, Neil.
You do this.
Go on, chip them.
You chip them!
You chip them, that thing!
You chip them!
You chip them, that thing!
I just want to be highly critical of the play that you showed us and your highlight compilation
of the dive that Boomb did.
The tier 2 dive where they were chasing Largo.
I think that OG put a great game and I'm going to emphasize that a bit more later.
The one win condition for OG really was that they were going to play off the strength
of Tim Riesel in this game.
They shut him down on lane, they drafted strong side lanes, their bristleback was
second highest network, Kass was top network.
You have one way to lose this game
and it's to feed this Timbersaw,
who will shred through all of your heroes
if he's given items.
And you make the one play
that you don't really do versus Timbersaw teams.
You dive towers, you chase the Largo.
To me that was really questionable
on the side of that thing.
Like I understand when things happen in the moment
you feel like you're not gonna get punished that way.
But again, that really was their way into the game.
But Yopaz really did deliver it.
He's so fun to watch.
Like when he's on a hero and he's snowballing, he's just styling, you know, back when he's cooking.
And it feels like his team, like you can tell that when he's feeling himself, they all are too.
Like once he starts getting a few kills, like, all right, let's go, let's do this, come on.
And then he just has that, like, aura about him.
Jepoy my idol, although trying to jump one person, so in that situation, it was,
you jump on the Largo, underestimate how far we can move after this move near tier 2 top.
But then, Aiden and I also saw quite a few occasions where Baboom jump a Gyrocopter,
and they think, oh, we can definitely kill this guy, and then move after that.
And they don't even kill target number one.
Yeah. I mean, they had that, like, towards the end.
I think it's a little bit of a desperation move. It's like, maybe we can get this Gyrokill.
It's gonna be close. They don't. They're Pop-Satanic, back to full HP.
Like, there's just no damage coming out of their team.
And I think, I think at that point, they're kind of too far behind the networks to really do that much.
I feel like to be honest they played a pretty solid, like very much in typical Bethune fashion, like a very, very solid enemy phase.
They're at a position where the game is very much under hands, then they take this Rochefight, they kill the Jiro, they kill off his Aegis, everything looks great.
But it's just a bit too ambitious, you know, like you just want slightly too much from that moment.
Mera had a good point in addition to your excellent points which was a Bat Boom up against a team
with one stun you said they should have bought a?
A farce staff.
So Hoodwink did have a farce staff but we were questioning the solo crest of it on Jakara
like maybe it's something that you start building earlier on in the game then suddenly the
game slips out of control after a tower dive and you're like oh god my tiny is getting
Hext under his tower and I'm right behind him and he's just dying in front of me
Like at that point you feel bad because OG's execution this game was perfect
And I really want to emphasize how well they were casting spells because it was harder for them to do so in the sense that they had
Really once done to work off of like they had this one line initiation line had to like really be in the right places
That all the right times then over deliver in order for them to be able to take a lot of these mid game fights
and you know a good way to counter once done is to
push away somebody from the one stun because there's not really a follow-up
after that. But it's okay, you know, things happen. I will preach what Avery
was also saying, shout out to Natsumi for leveling homing missile on Gyrocopter.
I feel many Gyrocopters ignore that. They just never take it. They just
never take it because stats, they're carries. Very typical selfish play.
If you honestly, there's carries like, oh, it's beneath me. It's really useful.
It's still a team game. All right. You may be the carry be good play for teammate. Am I right?
I feel like that if you're the carry and you're doing things that lead to the victory of the team like taking stats
That is like you being the best team player
You like running around and ganking and doing moves and not being farmed so you lose the game eventually
That is not being a good team player. I disagree with the thumbs down
You a button for that that isn't we
He just did one.
Yeah, he just spammed thumbs down when I spoke.
He just spammed thumbs down.
The entire screen just goes thumbs down.
Hang on.
Oh, you want to see it again?
Yeah.
All right.
It was this one.
Oh, okay.
The good bow.
But personally, I think...
Oh, dude, I think we're like pointing at...
A real question.
It's supposed to be like, you know, a teaser.
Charles is so funny.
I love it.
When he's like off to act or something, he's just the funniest.
so much. So we primarily keep him on the casting desk and maybe you'll be able to
see him later because if OG keep winning that means that we'll have tiebreaker
and that'll come later. Though they're gonna have to get game number two
under their belt before they make that a reality and you'll be able to see that
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What the fuck is this?
I
This is six long days since I saw your name, I've been coming to your house, minutes, seconds until you're back in my house again.
I'm not staying in your mind, baby, it's you tonight, I'll leave you and get lazy, lose the night, I can't get to the beach
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Welcome back friends to the near conclusion of the group stage one here at Dream League
of Season 28 where OG are clinging on for dear life if they lose a one game, which I guess
Now is just the next game. Yeah, and they're eliminated
After that then they get a full best of 3 and then all of our games are gonna be best of trees as you get into group stage 2
God help us. It's gonna be that's when the real dotes begins from the real dotes begins
We should do full best of fives a day Neil. What do you think you want to one up blast?
They're doing two best of fire to two best of fives 24-hour streams
Make them best of seven, or you're coming too low.
Four best of sevens a day.
On 18 streams.
Yeah.
We have 18 streams all doing, but we get every team, tier one,
tier two, tier three, all in one massive group.
And every single match is a best of seven.
I think that's promising.
Some sponsors like, sounds good.
Infinite airtime.
Were you, I don't remember, were you a morning liquid
successor night liquid?
Did you like, with your head?
I was asking if Liquid was a morning team or not.
Correct.
Liquid was, like, by far the worst morning team of all time.
I think if you go look at statistics and you, like, analyze Liquid's win-loss, like, win-percentage
morning games versus, yeah, it's, like, maybe a 13% win rate.
Same matchup, exact same teams.
Last series of the day, like, 82% win rate.
Wow.
Yeah.
I thought of a question last night when I couldn't sleep.
I was thinking of something because I think I mean for your sleep, huh?
I think of you when I sleep, I wasn't not specifically about you, right?
Pros in general, um, because it all sends me to sleep.
So I was whenever I will become here, obviously,
they give us PCs in the hotel room and I play dokes and everything.
And even though I brought my keyboard and mouse with me, it doesn't feel right.
There's something that does texture of the desk, the height of the chair,
where the arms are. When you guys are traveling around and you're like,
well, you're going to play from this facility, you're going to play this hotel room.
How much of a difference do you think it makes to teams where when you're playing
an online game like this,
where you can be in a facility you're so used to playing in elevates your
skill level. Do you think that makes a difference? Cause to me, it's like,
God, I can barely, I feel like everything's in mud. Like I can't,
nothing. Well, that's specifically sometimes I feel like the moisture from
flying, get into your mouse pad. And then when you try to move your mouse on it, it just doesn't
feel right. Or if you play in certain countries where it's more humid, your mouse pad gets a little
bit thicker. And then it's like, if you're not used to it, it's really annoying. But I would say it
was more of a thing when I first started playing, that I cared about, like the specific, like this
has to be in the right place. At some point, you kind of just learn to deal with it. And
it just is what it is because it becomes your like you're traveling so much yeah it just becomes normal like I remember for example
Alienware monitors. They have like a blue tint to them
They're like slightly more blue than the general
Frontman standard monitors that are a bit more red and that would really really annoy me for some reason like I feel like I
Wouldn't be able to focus on just playing the game because I'd be like
You know something feels off, and then I'm just not focused Wow
So you're telling me that you're blaming some of the dips in liquid form on the moisture of your mouse pad?
Absolutely not. I think that was a problem when I was younger and starting out
Let's say like maybe for some of the newer players going to their first couple of lands and people talk about like land jitters or whatever
sometimes it's not that it's just like
learning to focus in a new environment is a skill and learning to
Focus like when you're not fully comfortable is a skill that some people need to train more than others
I just I knew it was gonna be something yeah, but I didn't put humidity of mouse pad
We thought happens on planes. Yeah, there you go. I
Think airline should take into account. They should have a special cabin for mouse pads
You know, are you traveling with a mouse pad this habit? I never asked me that
They're all actually controlled. Yeah, a little hermetically. Yeah, that's for sure. Yeah
So we have seen tree get through and I have not seen tree yet on any of the games that I've watched
and everyone told me his main stage is broken, his main stage is broken, he's so good.
So I'm looking forward to seeing what I have.
I would say this was like one of my favorite heroes to play, like pre-retirement, pre-rework.
I thought this hero was like the most fun hero.
When it was good, it was like, I would play double the amount of pubs, because I just
think about playing this hero so much.
Which is your version of good tree?
It was, okay, so it was a broken version of tree, but he used to get 40% health
amplification while he was on the trees.
Yeah.
up your sticks, you battle out in lane, max your stick out, go into the trees, pop your
stick, you'd be full HP, and it was Omega strong. Nothing could lane against you, so
everybody was just pulling creeps. You just have to learn how to deal with that, and then
you're golden. He had the leech seed, you had to place it on a target, he still didn't
have the facets at that time. Though I did enjoy that facet too, where you got the
tree.
What about the thing where you came out of invisibility and you bought someone and they got rooted?
Well, that's a long time ago. That was pretty fun.
That's Gerak's times. Yeah, that was very fun too.
But this was a different trend. I feel like, based on my limited experience with him, because he's been banned in almost every single game, Living Armor is the skill you play around.
Oh, really?
Yeah. And some cool things about Living Armor that I feel like a lot of people don't know is, if you're Living Armor someone and they get a kill, you get an assist.
So you get a bunch of gold.
Mmm. It's like a...
Even on the other side of the map!
Yeah, it's a sneaky handle Midas.
Nice.
You can farm assists with it.
So sometimes not using it on your towers and just saving it so you can click it on a guy that's like going for the roof.
They're just really toss-moving armor on a friend.
Ahhhh.
You get a bunch of assists and it looks nice on your stat page.
Of course.
Like you'll end the game not having left your safe lane but you'll have like 25 assists.
No shit.
Yeah.
Like the Spirit Breaker hack.
Like you press charge on someone who's already dying just because you want the assist.
I put a debuff on them. It counts.
It counts.
You just, my spirit breaker score, and everyone else's is fake half of the time.
Half of the time, people are flaming you, like, oh, your impact was low, and what do you mean?
I'm in every kill.
You know you weren't.
We know that you weren't.
But I think Tree is a great hero.
I feel like that boom took away Windranger after giving away the Tree because they take
away one of Natsumi's best heroes and something to convo with the Tree online.
I think a lot of tree and strength is also all the range turns that make him really good
Just those lanes don't lose if you have like tree plus us after plus one ranger
They do have a problem hitting this egg
But it's Quinn said the other day and I can't remember Aiden if you agreed with them or not
Egg is the worst spell in the game is what Quinn said about me. I didn't agree with him
He did not I did not agree with him, but I understand where he comes from
It's like if you really think about what the spell does it's like radians, but
You can die in 5 hits.
Yeah.
Which is, like if I gave you an item and I told you, like, hey, here's your radiance,
but if you get hit 5 times, you die.
You probably wouldn't be buying it a lot.
And if you don't get hit, you get to do a little stun afterwards.
Yeah, if you've managed to stay alive for 6 seconds without moving, everybody around
you gets stunned.
There's a lot of, like, when you really think about what the skill does, it's
not that great.
So I offered him the suggestion of what if you were given, because essentially a
lot of times with Phoenix in the early game you're gonna have to egg to just
refresh your spells. You get another round of spells. What if it was just a
refresher orb that you got instead of Phoenix ult? But it's a free refresher
orb and a free radiance. Yep, and you get full HP and full mana.
I thought this was an extremist take by Quinn. Yeah, he has a lot of
these. He does. Something sensational. I've just learned, I told you guys I've
learned to take a lot of his statements at the Grand of Soul. I think
Supernova is a fantastic spell. I'm not going to sit here and defend it as a level 25 Phoenix player or anything
But I think Phoenix in general though does seem to need a lot of sput up
Or it needs to have like play it needs to have player plus hero combos
And I think yesterday that's why it had such a bad day
It felt like he was being jammed into a lot of drafts
It was Mars Phoenix a lot wasn't it?
But the hero does secure your team fight it does and supernova is a spell that okay
It's not just a radiance. It's a spell that controls an area. It either makes people run away or it forces them to commit to you
Which is super valuable in Dota. It's just um
If you I mean if I took any song Dota, I'll be this is just a refresher or
I feel like it's the radiance would you know five it's any day, but no like to what you're saying like
When ranger's ulti is just an ac to the last thought, it's just a...
When ranger's ulti is like 15 moon shards.
It's just a moon shard.
That sounds pretty good, yeah.
It's like I just said just a moon shard.
Yeah.
Primal roar is just a...
Yeah, that one's kind of hard.
It's just like a side-on.
It's like a pistol like three times in a row.
No, but I feel like the thing with Phoenix is like when you're really, really comfortable
with this hero and you understand your limits better than your opponents, a lot
A lot of times, like you said, you're going to end up baiting people into you, and it's
going to make them get out of position, or start to finish off the egg, which is a lot of the
big advantage of people that don't want to play this hero properly, is you can bait it.
It's not directed at you.
It was directed at Avery.
Thank you.
Yeah, so just to pull people into you, and to use it as bait, and to use it as a
way to misplace your opponents.
So it's essentially a radiance with five Pudge Hooks.
Now you're overselling it.
hard, but put spells into items.
Phoenix aside, I do want to touch on the other heroes in this draft really quickly before
the last picks come up.
I think OG has something very cool going on in that all of their heroes together should
be able to do damage and line kills.
Your only disabled now is not Lion.
Like your Lion can play with your pug, your Lion can play with your bristle, your tree
can play with your pug.
You can all combine yourselves together.
And if you get on top of a target with Lion, there should be enough follow-up to keep
from Lockdown, which is the kind of thing that you want versus heroes like Phoenix that
dive away, heroes like Wind Ranger that...wind run away.
They have the means to fight on their terms.
So this is a nice egg hitter as well, with the German 8 attack and everything for Weaver,
so he can go in and help to kill the egg.
But I suppose the combo is like Disruptor Phoenix, which is quite cool.
You've got Roar into Fizz.
We are talking about Eggalop, but Ochi's team looks really scary, like it really
does.
I mean, this week, that's how the Phoenix lane looks hard to play against.
Yeah, I mean, these heroes are very strong together. Phoenix is traditionally quite good against Triant,
and if he crawls down his trees, he has a harder time to be aggressive on the low levels.
This guy's 6-15. Everybody's telling me how great Underlord is. He's 6-15. What's the deal here?
I feel like every hero that was good at Blast has been in the whole run this year.
That's, like, honestly what it looks like.
We really figured out the meta shifts between them and now.
Or all the teams that were playing at Blast were garbage.
That's also a possibility, yeah.
Just a suggestion, I'm not saying that's true.
Especially the ones who won.
Yeah, I suppose those.
But I do think that when Underlord comes out at the very end like this,
then there's not one hero that does full single target or high damage or burst damage,
then the hero goes up in value again.
Like we've seen a lot of win rangers for example go against Underlord because you have to press focus fire and
through all of his auras and what not you will do enough damage to the target that you want to kill.
Like the heroes on OG don't operate in the same sense so we're going to see a lot more value coming out of the Underlord
and I think putting that on lane versus treant plus weaver is much better than throwing your
Beastmaster on there. So now Beastmaster is a better game. Your Underlord should do a lot for you.
I said it fixes a lot of the draft issues on Bustbun.
It also stresses our Weaver and more having a low risk pit on top of a disruptor because
I thought that disruptor would be a good hero against Weaver but they picked it into disruptor.
The disruptor is okay but you need to have damage to pair up with it.
I feel like the main issue here because I was looking at the straft and I was like
oh weaver here comes come down and then I thought of it more and I'm like what they
have a Bristol they need to kill there's truant armor there's just a lot of protection
from the OG draft and a lot of tank heroes
that they have to cut through
Magic
Oh that's my foot
Oh my god
You wanna play footsies?
I'm confused
We're all wearing white trainers today
I know
Mine are like barely
This is the kind of synergy that a host and a co-host have
Mine are the best ones
These are rare, you can only get these in Japan
Honestly, the tag is from Tokyo, baby
Yeah
Hold my foot
Oh yeah
No feet pics
You gotta go to a different stream for that one.
Now if you're on this stream though, I'll give you OG vs Bedroom team, game number two.
Well, apparently it's somebody in Valve like Tums and Tarantino!
What is he talking about? A different stream for people?
I'm not sure. You'll have to ask him more about that green room.
What stream is it? Because I want to make sure I avoid that.
What stream is he talking about? So I never end up there.
You do know? I don't. I'm sorry.
I'll have to figure out how to avoid that later.
later okay that's good that's we have a five on five level one smoke looking for
the first blood we can get it they're gonna run into tree and say nope Tim's
just hope they don't find him oh oh he's in the pit oh look at him he's so
sneaky and he's gonna from the pit gotcha gotcha good Niko gets the
First blood, Tim's will now attempt his suicide erosion!
But he can't quite get it.
See, he picked up something there, though,
got the only got the kill, the Thunder Strike.
But he got Thunder Struck from the pit.
Would you be in it?
Thunder Struck!
So first blood to Nico on the Bristleback.
See if you can do more with the Bristle's game
than we saw Miro was able to do last game.
Kind of just got shut down.
in the mid-portion there, and speaking of the drafts, oh, she got tree.
I mean, that's gotta be worth a hell of a lot.
Yeah, I can't believe they got tree, man.
They got the help, he's just instantly dead to surprise Trilane.
But just to ask for a spot.
Wow, her Beth Boomb spot, this is gonna be a lot of soloxp for Kiritich, but not in the way he wanted it.
It's too bad it's a windranger.
They can't really pressure a hand wall if he has no support.
Mid lane should be an auto win for GPK, correct?
Yeah, he's gonna free farm here.
I like OG's mobility with the Puckweaver, I guess.
Like, there's only really underlord hit and disruptor.
There's a hard lockdown, you do a roar.
Which is good, but it can sometimes be hard to land a roar on these heroes.
Shackle shot is a little unreliable.
So like, there's a lot of pseudo lockdowns lined up, but no direct attacks.
So I like OG's mobility with Treen on top. It could be really hard to kill some of these heroes.
I... but I kind of like that boon line up.
Yeah, I... it looks pretty solid.
What you're talking about, I feel like the opposite.
I feel like... they lead off with a roar, they pop egg, and they kind of guarantee that...
the heroes are gonna have to stick around, because they also have glimpses.
Oh, Katyaomi?
Don't die again, brother. Please.
Okay, that would be too much. Three times in two months, two minutes is...
I mean, that's a big question. Like, if the pit in the Gloom stat exploring all this is enough
combined with Chackle and Roar to bring these mobile heroes down, I think it is.
I got to admit, you're too worried about it.
But you just don't want to let this game get away with you where...
There's like Lincoln spears on these heroes and PKBs and you're just...
You're in that mode where you keep pump-faking Roar because there's so many items to deal with Roar that you can't ever land in.
and none of the other stuns are hard enough locked down for you to kill these heroes.
I could see this game getting to that point, which is where I think OG hope it goes.
But I think Beth is mid-game, so it's really scary to 5v5.
The East Underlord with the Phoenix behind him is kind of insane,
and then Disruptor does give you the catch that this ball would otherwise lack.
As long as you can get through lanes here, I think OG's lanes are pretty terrifying.
Miro not sure kill the bug kill the with the other big bug not sure which bug to hit right now
I should just hit the weaver. Yeah, you should have
Or I both hit the book on the underworld, but kind of died in there. Yeah, I could skip it up
Maybe he does get burned down
Still favorable for OG trading support for core
It's a good trade road. You know did take a lot of resources off the weaver though
Oh, it's gonna come back full.
Katomi, come on, man.
You can't glimpse him five inches and die to him like that.
Brother.
He's having a rough start here.
One for three.
All right, that was gonna say a favorite OG,
but Katomi's not really inspiring me right now.
It should, like, part of it maybe is just recent T-Fies,
but I saw, like, they have Dream Protector.
I'm like, oh, that's awesome for OG.
But then they picked Lion Bristleback,
which we just saw from Bed Boom and I'm not sure what made them go,
yeah, I wanna run that.
Yeah, it feels like the series yesterday works well.
He's just with something and then the other team's like,
I want that and then they lose.
So hopefully they have a better game plan.
The Bristle did get really fat in that game.
He did.
And he goes once again having a very good laning phase here,
double bracer, belt, aria on mine for this Bristle.
super tanky couple disruptor deaths early
stewart
but you can use out of the best of anybody here twenty six and fifteen for
this piece
he was a sport in eyes
they don't want to have lasted yeah i i think this is how it's not a match of
girls
at least with this
this is uh... slaughter
he's gonna have six
your project is almost
five and a half
just war kill with any support to be yet that's gonna be uh...
constant problem
Any sort of range point and click stun is kind of a problem for Puck.
Be very surprised if that poop did not look for this Puck kill with the Phoenix TP in.
I think Disruptor does not give you enough damage, it's way too low level, but it absolutely brings saving to that kind of play.
Dude, it's a little work up here, honestly. This Phoenix has been nice against the Tree Elmaine. He has a Quelling as well, so...
Yeah. A lot of tree cuts going on, then you have the attacks be close, it's a tough matchup for Tree, just in any patch.
Yeah, this is one of those matchups that I feel a little bit better about Phoenix.
This tree is so, it's so important to not get run over by this hero in the laning phase, that having a hero that, in my mind, is picked up like 50% just to be able to deal with this.
I think that's acceptable.
I would agree.
It gives this hero a lot more purpose in the lineup.
He also has a BKB Pearson stun, which to me is always pretty important with this hero.
You want lockdown, you want spells that hold heroes around the egg, and you want some BKB Pearson stuns to really hold heroes around the egg.
Otherwise, this spell, as Quinn said, is trash.
That's his statement, not mine.
I mean, at the rate that Quinn's being wrong, I kinda wish he would call me trash.
I feel like it'd take me to a whole nother left.
Yes, I'm just poor man who never won lottery. Please, Quinn.
Oh, not to deny, Tim's with the big plays.
Well played, well played.
Did I NGPK that kill?
That took a lot of resources out of the B, so he has a roar available, but...
No axes?
It's kind of it. I don't like it.
Oh, he's got 12 on stack, though.
That's true.
but they're not going for the oposh kill, tanky has wadius verifier, and he always has that living armor
that is true, gotta keep that in mind, very big factor
might just be a quiet farm of games per se, okay despite the lane domination
alright, here comes a weaver move
Weaver, Monkey King, these kind of heroes very good at making these gate rotations.
Tim's sneaking around the side here.
Nico trying to bait in Kiritich, Kiritich.
Everybody.
Yeah, he's done for, man.
He's gonna try and windrun his way out of here, but they've got the stun, so windrun's gonna fade away.
Down he goes.
Just not really pressure on the map right now for that food to read this play.
I feel like, again, if you're matched up against Weaver, Monkey King, any of those heroes have to feel like you should always have a gate ward.
Your side or the other, I don't care which.
It did sentry for it anyway, but yeah.
OG just forcing this move will force the tower down.
Can always leave Weaver up here.
Especially he's already level 6, he's chilling.
Can it seem that the next bottom though, look for the fight, they do have the gate.
Hey, Phoenix diving on to Scam, Scam making a run for it, gets up to the high ground, keeps
his invisibility, and tepies away successfully, doesn't that aid?
Yeah, Dustin the backpack, super delayed there, no glimpse.
Very awkward play for them, they do keep their tower alive.
Which is pretty valuable here honestly.
Kind of want to keep this one ranger online because he is not, doesn't even have treads
He's yet to land on Maelstrom with the Falcon Blade.
He's just down slain, keep fighting.
That's so weird, because I feel like...
I don't expect fate to make that kind of mistake.
Because he knew TPing in, he was going to go for the tree.
And while the TP's channeling, don't you just swap in the dust?
He's just too many small items, man.
Collecting all the little curios here.
Well, not a lot of early action for that boom, but you are planning to train, so that's usually how it goes.
So they're just going to farm with the Beastmaster, farm up this Underlord, protect the Windranger, and that's going to be their map movement.
So if you're OG, scan back to the usual block that camps.
I am the camp blocker who knocks.
I love how OG always seems to be...
ahead.
Like, they're always thinking of some stuff that no other team is doing.
Right here, everybody knows about this.
There's just no one else who's willing to do it.
Yeah, yeah. Also, everybody knows that you could stack three heroes on one lane and go for first blood.
That's true. They don't do it.
They don't do it. OG does.
That's right. OG's not a lazy team.
When running away, Focus Fire and Yolpaj, but there are too many Disables here, they
are both going to die about this.
Where is the shoring up of this safe lane for BedBoom?
They're just getting run over.
If they did not get the memo in this safe lane, this is a farm-oriented early game.
Because I don't know what these are just...
They're just grilling it up out here, making fast stacks, but it's kind of trying
to fight in the safe lane.
save is still gonna get run down here unless he wants to pop supernova and take
that risk but man as well he's gonna do so and out to be like well good for me
trash fell anyway so get it out of the way yeah I mean that's probably the
ideal use of it you didn't die true
GPK peeing out, camps are blocked, somebody unblocked my camps.
How do they get nosy?
That reality will set in much later.
off the win ranger again
we're catching who I don't know if this is gonna work out well he has a gate so that'll
force the bristleback to back off okay failed game from OG it's the lying experience sometimes
Well, there's... it's funny because now the trees here... they hate... they hate this safe
lane.
It's the only place to attack, and the other heroes are extremely tanky, just doing jungle
stacks.
You have to run through, that moves the entire side of the map.
Didn't we have that set up in game one as well?
Yeah, I don't know.
Uji only had one lane that they could really attack because that team was able to
respond really well.
Very similar.
This seems to be part of BetBoom's ammo, perhaps.
Got Boko's Bristle a little.
That's all his windrun!
And now, double old static storm!
Gonna be dropped on the Bristle back.
One down both of these heroes.
BetBoom saying enough is enough.
That was a nice little counter play.
Just OG getting lulled to sleep down here in this bottom lane.
Like, with the repeated attacks, thinking this is not a lane,
definitely not wearing numbers too, but guess what?
They brought the numbers, forgot to have an Underlord in this game too,
potentially always gate down there later on,
and it's a team that will happily react to things right now.
They're just trying to farm the Beast Axe.
Very slow early game for them, but it will pick up soon here.
Yeah, I was going to say, like, if there's any CORE to have a bad time,
I think I'd prefer it to be WinRanger, because with this bastard
on the Underlord and then Beastmaster being Beast,
I feel like if these two cores are having free farm, we'd theme in this last month how strong they get.
They're monsters. They're gonna carry the big game for sure.
When they're injured, just need a maelstrom to get joined to fight.
She'll be happy.
This game is a little concerning for OG, not by an insane degree.
So the way it's going...
Stealing some stacks away from Hoji, that's...
Hoji did get the better of stacking in Game 1, that's for sure.
And right now they've got some very aggressive wards down trying to play towards mid.
That's a cool ward. I haven't actually seen that one before.
Gotta be careful pushing his tower straight up with the glips. No stacks available there.
Do the haste drone on your pause right now if you want to make a play,
but Niko's farming stacks, your weaver still working towards maelstrom.
Timing just aren't there for OG right now to force some sort of tower play.
There's also a dangerous line to do it in which means that he's going to have
aggs on the speeds. By the time OG makes a solid move in this game.
He's just cruising, man. It's the jungle master out here. Look at him go. Almost over 12.
They're going to gate the weaver bottom again, but Kiritich...
He's like, yeah, there's no way you make this play on me.
Five times in a row guys, come on.
They really are just playing one note.
And Kiritu's been getting the worst of it.
14 minute Harun, GPK gets a regen.
Beat up that Jumblin.
And Chef Boom happy with how the map's going right now.
They're gonna have Crimson, they're gonna have Ags, they're gonna have that when they're in your maelstrom
They're gonna be ready to fight
No shoot goes both ways
I think the Winner Rangers better than the Weaver
Sure, yeah for sure
Bigger power spike Crimson guard done from Nero
They are ready to brawl do you think the pipe is more impactful or the Crimson guard it's to the off-laner diff right now
See they're almost people I'd say though the OG pipe is quite good against his Bat boomer
But I also think this crimson blocks a lot of weaver puck damage
In this early game
It's pretty annoying for OG as well
They do have some some magic games to play with and like bristle physical that ignores it
The fact underwater is just such a high HP hero with this too. Yeah, really annoying
I kinda feel like the maelstrom makes Bedfoom stronger right now, but the pipe makes OG stronger, so...
I can see OG also just not having damage to punch through this guy.
Yeah, unless Bristle can sit in the fight forever.
Niko has a good fight, he's a lot of their damage.
General timing right now, Underlord and Beastmaster are really tough to fight into.
I am okay with OG just giving up towers right now. Betboum won a four stack for it.
There's the Maelstrom, there's the pipe, put them together.
You'll pause trying to push in the mid lane while somebody heroes are showing top OG.
Setting up a bit of a play here. They still have that ward behind the tower that they're playing for.
That's pretty much like this for sure. They'll clench somebody in if you try and run.
Maybe they don't want to try and haul in the bristle, that could be a little dangerous.
Niko doesn't keep the siege back alive, with the two in rave.
Hey, let's get back to that extra one, they really go for it!
That is a dangerous move to go for a bristle back like this!
It does get a little bit of an opening, no posh.
Hit the backline, see if they can finish off Kiritich, the orb slips right on past.
Really close stuff, but oh gee, looks like they got the better of that engagement
and will take the tower as a result.
Not that anybody died, but it do get an objective.
I- I don't- I feel like that's one of the only ways you lose fights right now is trying to... hit Bristol.
Pretty much. He's always an apt tree and armor. Overgrowth the veil and out.
You just cannot commit all this gunner. You don't have the damage now.
Unless it's a perfect war shackle while he's facing you, like maybe then.
I don't mind poking there with a glimpse and kind of make you know G come in and then saving static storm and see what happens
But that's a very forced go. That's a successful push for OG
You're gonna smoke up that blink on puck they have finger of death
Or some sort of pick off in the bottom lane. Look at that going straight back to their old man here to
Say hey, you missed me
Okay, well they see TPK, they're gonna go for him. They need a third hero.
I like this TP in because I don't think the two of these is quite enough.
They get a third hero in the mix.
And here it comes. Yeah, overgrowth just to make sure.
Timbs is in trouble here.
Rorco's gonna take it, he's not dead yet, but Pustin's die!
Oh, triple kill for Kyrintz! It jumped his maelstrom!
If they had that third hero sooner, he'd just kill TPK faster than maybe this would have been okay, but...
Oh
The trigger on it sooner than they needed to do that's so big for care that you needed some sort of gold injections game. I
Can't believe he got the wrong the pucks
No, I was damaged sleeping or what? Yeah, you had everything up here, right?
Why would he not have?
They shifted on that war
They jump goes out
I guess he's about to come up or something.
Yeah, I don't know, that's just...
I just looked like I'm throwing this play for the Ops there.
Yeah.
Probably was.
Yeah, I think he'd be like, hi, I got the roar on this guy, cool.
I'll take that.
So what should have been a nice game for OG turns into a triple kill for Kiritich and
he's now very close to Mjolnir.
So this farm rate's gonna pick up.
GPK also got some assist gold for that and he now has a blink dagger.
The ulnair complete for the weaver, that's who he did get some benefit of being around
that fight.
He's still in a very solid galeous weaver.
He can get some damage on this one, he's gonna chunk some of these bad boys, a great
egg killer as well.
What's his item build, you think, you can go a lot of different things here, does
he have to get BKB because of static storm, maybe shackle.
Blinkins is pretty solid in this game.
Hurricane Pike is pretty staple on the hero.
You definitely want a Daedalus.
You're gonna need an A.K.B. at some point.
Yeah, I feel like you can't go Daedalus because N.K.B. is required.
I think like Hurricane Pike, Blinkins, N.K.B.
Something in that area.
That's pretty good.
Fed boom.
Feelin' their strength.
They're gonna go for Roshan and Roshan's definitely gonna die.
The NBA just went out oochie getting to pit in time.
That's a nice play. I like that because, again, you're saying, even if they come, we'll happily take the fuck-fuck.
We have Pyke, Kerms, and Underwater. We have Phoenix.
Like, this is generally one of the better ways to play with Phoenix.
You make the opponents go into you, or your spells can try.
Don't make this Phoenix chase people around the map.
So, the more objectives you can force the happier you're going to be,
and this is super nice because you get the Roche up for half of the map,
Straight into the tormentor farm. Yeah, I think this this whole window of time is so broken
Like if you could do Roshan at 19 tormentor at 20 and
Then if you're dire side you could play for attempting to steal wisdom shrine or something, but
Yeah, Roshan into tormentor to just he wiped it three times
You should be coached I was
I'm not too bad actually, I'm sure the state is a good one, haha.
This game is getting a lot of ideas here.
But there's a gem pickup.
Wow, what an early gem pickup.
That boom feels so good about their timing here.
They're like, they can't stop us.
Well, honestly, you have to buy early gem-inch tree.
The shard is way too stupid.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.
I forget about the shard.
Not that he has it yet, but he will get it.
Eventually, it is a slow timing for this tree, though.
21 minutes, no shard.
Still feels like Beth Booms' game right now.
Like, they're just controlling the tempo a little better,
getting his objectives.
They have so much aura power on this underwear.
It looks hard for OG to win up straight up fight.
I think they need another set of items like a fucking weaver.
Then it becomes a lot more doable to just kind of run that on in.
So I don't know what it's going to get in the Hags eventually, too.
It's a very good hit of that, I'm asking.
It really messes with OG's ability to convert into these big core pickoffs.
You combine that with the Phoenix having pretty high levels, level 12.
It's going to be some...
He's farmed, too.
Some hard-to-beat, supernova team fights.
The panel's talking about, like, good Phoenix players or bad ones, and they did say save.
He's very experienced on this hero.
I think a big component of Phoenix, particularly if you're going to play four Phoenix, which is the weaker role,
but can shine in a couple areas is like you can pick up a lot of farm on this hero.
First down, Kiritich. Get the kill. Get out.
Make it a run for it. Glumps back with no phase shift.
Available. He'll pause. We'll die for that.
Is that worth that?
I feel like the puck is more important than the Winter Ranger.
Uh... I mean...
The Ender Lords used the math a little bit because he could join in the fight and just go right back to pushing out lanes.
So it's not lost map control. It does waste Aegis timing a little bit.
So Kotomi went through it.
And not too happy about it.
They don't do any damage there, so...
Don't keep ya, hero.
I wonder if Ochi...
Have to read this, but GPK's coming through the gate.
Nero baiting in the Bristleback.
GPK wants another hero, but finally he's gonna be alive. Okay.
I'll hit the bristle back he wanted those this is weird
Another fight happening at the same time they find the Phoenix great pickoff for OG
Got the kill he barely survived. It was like 50 HP
Just don't benefit if he's gonna have to sit here and wait. They probably get out with everybody
That's very close to being a disaster for Beth boom, but it was oh, she just can't capitalize on everything there
Find some good pick offs though
It's a lot of damage from that bristle, but it all gets absorbed here by the big boys.
I wonder how different that would have been if OG joined the bristle.
Like, they don't want to fight into the ages, and they got a great kill in the Phoenix.
They can always go back to your tried and true killing heritage over and over, true,
true.
Keep killing him, keep killing him.
Stun, hex, the damage, final bit.
Okay, they used the overgrowth for it.
has just to make sure murder this game. Yeah, what is it? Is OG got some beef with
Kiritich or what? I mean, just the easiest hero to kill.
Why owns this hero? Hey, very please, I'm trying to manufacture drama here.
All right, here I am. They have massive beef with him.
OG said if they could kill Kiritich ten times in a game or win three TIs in a row,
they'd rather kill Kiritich. I do think it's really funny that the OG
the two ages.
Well, they won two ages.
Yeah, but what's so funny about that?
That means the spirit has had on their logo?
Yeah, they do.
There's the two eyes of the dragon.
You really had to be going there for a second.
You're like, what?
I mean, the spirits probably should be on this.
Like, what are they doing?
There's an easy barista to pick up on you.
He's always going to play alone for the most part in this game,
and he's a horror body.
You're not too worried about taking him down if you have the time to do it without the team responding.
You're worried if the team can respond.
Which kind of knew they were on the other side of the map.
Also a whole lot easier when the Phoenix is there with you called.
The damage he's doing to the Bristol back, but also the heal he's giving.
Some are easy to hit him.
And bringing these beefy boys down.
Giving you the backup if that team fight does explode.
It's been the name of the game.
OG keep killing and shutting down his winranger,
but the two beefy boys for Beth Boom controlling the map.
There's a BKB for GBK, this is Ag's done for Miro, so they're really online.
These are the scary items for these two heroes in terms of
gaining around the map, double pitting you,
BKB just smashing your face in with roar like...
Natsumi did go the BKB.
Yeah, not the Linkins, but he is considering the Daedalus not the MKB.
I think Dale's a lot better on this hero with the shard plus the Gemini hits, but 100%
Well, I guess they've shut down Kiritage so much, like do they have to address him?
Oh, need the damage to be able to blow up this Beastmaster though right here!
They don't need it from Matsumi, they kill him with the other four, gate through, gate back
Overgrowth is gonna be able to stop him here, gonna be held here for a while
Well, then Tim should have another round of disables, even if he could get through the game again.
What a random spot.
Like, Shibu-ken just blinks in. They're all sitting there. It doesn't get hexed, no BKB.
Dead. Lose Jim.
The Unruh Lord comes in to try and save you. He dies.
He's screwed. On top of the Opatria's, Lincoln's done, and all of a sudden, oh gee, just...
They're gonna retake the whole map.
Yeah, literally the two heroes you were talking about is being like kind of the win condition right now for Bed Boom.
boom just bump just misread this terrible he's thinking I'm gonna get a
you know nice little tree pick off maybe get a door nope they're all sitting
exactly there and you'll posh he's even gonna get a coil on to the Phoenix real
hey take will live I think I'm not he's messing up a lot of damage here nice
next timing.
He goes a third hero for OG, but that's kind of feeling similar to game one where it's
like Betboom get themselves into a decent position and the mid game hits and OG, I don't know
if they're just like stacking better if they have a better rate of map or what, but they're
getting into these situations where they just outnumber and beat out Betboom really
thinking better combined moves with the whole team. We haven't really seen any sort of combined
team move from Vepu Mother than those played early on. Mainly because the Winner Ranger has been so
shut down. Pure just keeps having to go back and farm, trying to cover if you're against him for
a lot of these plays. Another combined move that should net them a Disruptor Kill and a Wisdom
Shrine if Katomi goes for it. TP's coming in from the Underlord. Kind of too late to
set up for this really.
Good read of the situation by Pet Boom to back off.
That's a tough place to fight. Need to underlaw behind in Scare 2.
Would have been very risky.
You also just regain some momentum in this game.
You got that gem that's gonna free up some scouting for the tree.
You can always wrap this game with the puck and go late.
Skim opted for Glimmer Cape over the shard.
Probably because the gem came out so early.
Yeah, I would imagine.
But now that you got it,
it's probably gonna go back for it.
This map could become really annoying for Beth doing the play.
Yeah, if OG can manage to get control of the next Roshan,
and hold on to this gem,
Lotus Star for Niko.
Oh, he's a great answer against the Beastmaster.
Yeah, there's kind of a bunch of Linkin's Lotuses trying to protect their Puckin' Weaver here.
There was a Overgrowth to Comp Baleia first to be give these two which is super nice here
Not suing his cruise along. I mean the fact that they're doing well right now
We do you haven't even hit like the big time of weaver which is Daedalus in level 25. It's level 20 with the Chrysalis
So he's beginning to cook
Stacking on the same area, huh?
Maybe GpK will blink up there twice.
I thought our G-Ware had a bit of a lose to more map control in this mid-game, but
he held it together pretty well.
Now I think it starts to swing their way a little bit more.
The puck can start to play longer fights.
Especially if you can get to Parasma here, your damage goes up considerably.
Still a lot of utility on that boom side, but they're having issues getting the fights
to use it.
At least until Roche spawns, they might just force it again.
It's gonna go from bottom though.
For a little spawn bottom in fact, because it's a little bit over the time right here.
So that's a much more difficult Roche for Batboom to force.
Yes, it does give OGB advantage there.
Batboom have the advantage when it comes to this standoff in that they can have the Underlord wherever they want.
Nice to already keep alive for this rush on the fight too.
I just kind of have the feeling that OG is just going to execute better as a team.
Alright, that's only beginning to group up a little bit more, they're sitting on a high ground.
This gives me some confidence, baiting out a man's illusion.
Could be a nice little bait here.
here.
I can't touch.
Is it going to get scammed to see this and they make a play for it?
They're going to Roche right now.
They have a very fast Roche right now.
Yeah, but this is dangerous to pork.
Especially if you bug it, now you don't want to bug for the fight.
Yeah, they do have plenty of ways to scout Power Shot and Myra Spirit.
They're trying to bait that woman to make some moves so they can take the fight.
Save the ward!
Oh, you're just gonna have to deny it.
I really don't want to give up this award.
Oh, I see Mero's game playing. Go on me.
I dare you.
I am. He even has the big Lotus.
With just a little bit of extra HP.
Doesn't do a lot of damage though.
Two big boys man and I've been caught the gym kill! Got it!
We should go to the staff pool.
There's all three so local down here.
Straight back into the pit.
Gonna come down to juffling them in the pit probably.
This is a giant way of pushing it down.
What you can't do here is that boom is just blink, peek, and you roar somebody.
That will not work out for you with overgrowth turnaround.
Okay.
So what do you do?
It's got the bait to fight out a little bit later.
That's what they're trying to do with this underwater on the front line.
If you can get Roche low here and just kind of egg on top of it and commit for Aegis and
all that, it's really tough for OG to fight into egg, pit, firestorm as Roche is going
down.
So I'm not sure I necessarily like OG chipping Roche this much.
I do a Prasmon puck.
I think they're pretty strong in the fight.
I mean, Betboom is opting to try and make the initiation.
I'm about this is so risky up till.
Tim's getting on the high ground.
Ooh, that was almost a moment there.
They got three inside the pit, though.
That looks kind of okay.
Stace swings on through.
Pahnau pops the egg to burn out Tim's.
Tim's does have a buyback, though.
And remember, they're playing on this outpost, so.
They don't really have a numbers advantage here at all.
In fact, it's a five versus four
with Betboom losing Katomi.
Kierjee trying to back away.
Niku and Natsumi pushing forward.
GVK looking for that roar.
Roar's out of...
Nah, that's not gonna work on Bristleback!
This is not good whatsoever for Bedboom!
Big run down by OG, GPK gonna be caught in the Overgrowth, couldn't kill Scam in time,
and it's going to be a wipe, you were right, Avery.
It did not work out AT ALL for Bedboom.
That's like the worst way to take that fight, man.
Going uphill, just popping a bunch of ults on and outposts with buybacks.
You don't even bring down a good target, it's not easy to roar anybody in this game anymore.
Yeah, but it would've been better if they just forced Rosh on him,
Cause then at least OG have to go into them.
You get any value out of the egg plus pick no matter what.
As you're threatening to take the ages away from them.
I just kind of fundamentally disagree with that playcom.
Like what are you, how do you make this work?
I don't see it man.
Thoughts just killing your backline.
What's happening?
It's like they saw a three man's egg and they were just like, oh that's too good.
Yeah, but this these fights are about finding the lockdown on the pocket. Yeah, it's not about how many heroes about what heroes, right?
Whoo
Oh gee you're gonna take a clear lead in the game now up 5k with an Aegis on Natsumi and again
They're just now hitting that time where the weaver feels good.
They are more patient in that sequence.
They are rewarded.
They've looked like the better team in terms of team coordination this series.
They're definitely drafting whatever individual stuff aside.
They have a tormentor they can take if they would like.
Definitely a decent chance to pull super far head down as weavers kind of stacked.
go for Wisdom Shrine first. Why not?
Not a scam. That's a really good catch too because he's got that gem so they can get
it back on the Batgoom side. That's a big deal.
Also, it doesn't feel like Batgoom are going to kill anybody in this game unless you just
find some hasty hero.
The Roars are becoming more difficult to play and that also gets them Tormenter.
OG never did it. Just swings bot, swings bottom, and it's a free shard for Miro. Not too bad.
No, that one's not bad. How do Batboom scale in this game, though? Lincoln's already getting
difficult to warp people into Lincoln's Lotus. They're thinking about double Shiva's
guard, but I think one of these needs to be AC. I think it's, um, Kiritage going
hand ultraly. There's another support gone. Might see it'll be a pull. I mean you could
still get like refresher Beastmaster and get that out. I'm still... Beastmaster still seems
pretty spooky with that natural refresher build. The Bloodthorn along the side. Okay
that's gonna be an Aegis. There's any other stuff.
Back in.
Probably gonna have to BKB?
Yeah.
Gonna have to BKB and get out of there.
That's kind of sad for Natsu.
He did not get to use a lot of this strength at all.
It is really difficult for OG.
Like they get control of the game, they get the Aegis,
but it is hard to push into Bedboom.
Which is why you were talking about the whole thing,
is why you wanted them to fight around the Roshan Pin.
The first place, you want them to try and get situations
where OG has to walk into Bedboom.
Best case scenario, it's easier to land a shackle, easier to land the roars, you're just going to sit and pit,
you're going to get more value out of your undull or phoenix.
You are really bad at chasing heroes in this game, but yeah, very good at just sitting in an area and
forcing OG to deal damage into them. That is why this setup works so much better.
If OG recognized that and just play skirmishy fights and continue to wrap the lanes,
it's going to be okay, but the pick offs are going to continue. That's another good find out here.
Look at the OBS, too. So that's super big. What a defensive ward trap set up there by Katsumi.
This is a very interesting game. It seems like both teams have had some good periods where the read of the map is solid,
and then periods where, like this, their read is just off about where the enemy's moving.
Yeah, we're seeing, I think, the strengths and weaknesses of the teams, right?
It's a little bit why these are maybe good old pack right now.
Like neither team's game has been as crisp as they probably wanted it to be.
I think OG has still looked slightly better, but...
They threw that Aegis away. They've got some misplaced here.
They are scaling this puck up, though. That's the big point for them.
As long as Yopaj keeps finding farm.
Like he's just gonna be such a problem.
Like you still don't believe you have direct lockdown for him.
Yeah, the triple core scale of O.G. is pretty fast.
Now he collects an Arcane Root, so Whisper of the Dread, Huck with Arcane Root, Octo-Ring.
Lincoln's Plink Parasma, he is a monster right now.
These cooldowns are going to go down in 5 and 6 seconds or something.
Chippy K got a...
Diffuse of life.
Yeah.
Interesting decision here. I mean you can burn some like...
The crystal's pretty good. Honestly, is that relevant at all in this game? Not when it is.
So it is a Lincoln's Wraith?
Which will be right there. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense.
Got through, you'll pause, you'll float. Not quite enough.
Chippy K now making a run for it with his BKB in some trouble though.
They might be able to keep them up with a sunray all on the coil though.
Not too many, you'll finish them off the last couple of days.
Now the style is on to the save.
Save does manage to get off the egg though.
They just hit the Bristol back here,
focusing on the Bristol back, turns back around.
Oh, you're just like trying to hit the front of them.
You just can't quite get there.
And now the rest of OG is going to strike.
They got baited into trying to hit the Bristol back again.
And it is not a good idea.
Also a good idea at 15 minutes.
It's not a good idea at 40 minutes.
That is just such a disconnecting play attempt for Pepper.
It's insane how disconnected that is.
Like, he has this blinkin' break with the Fusel, but he goes in completely solo.
There's not a single spell fall-off on this fuck.
That he was far away from killing. This is a 3000 HP fuck we're living in.
And you're not solo killin'.
Yeah, there was...
You didn't need too much to follow it up.
Oh, forget the kill, but you cannot do it solo.
I mean, yes, here's a BKB Winter Ranger that's just goin'
Given a Lord that can gait like...
What a super disconnected fight for that boomer.
Now OG, they're gonna reap the reward here, and certainly are.
One Land of Barracks, making it two before the Ember Lord is back up.
Also, Weaver now level 25.
Peek, Weaver.
OG chillin' now, that just exploded.
They're not worth leaving out their levels.
Got the gem back.
I think another round of items here potentially.
That was just as Bethune got aggs on the disruptor as well.
Like you have aggs to aggstorm that you can throw on top of these roars or pits,
which is a big deal for the lineup, but you just kind of threw the game away as you were getting here.
Oh gee, they feel the momentum.
Fine GPK again. He's dead? Yep, couldn't even get out the roar.
Now, Yopah's jumps to back line. Coil on the two supports. Beautiful stuff. Niko's just been ignoring Miro and keep marching through to that coil.
The supernova goes out. Okay, got that out of him. Gonna reset a little bit.
He get a kill on Kato-Omi and play away the egg.
Here it takes me a little stay, back it up to the fountain.
This is just looking like OG.
Work is a bet, boom.
Fuck, why? It's the start of the day.
It's like, what are the chances that OG beats that boom four times?
It's looking likely right now.
It's looking extremely likely. I mean, there's half of another.
It's better.
It's a better mistress, for sure.
There really wasn't like, uh...
Oh good shackle. Yeah that's pretty decent. With the Sunray they'll do some damage, Namsumi just easily gets rid of them, they're just too late into it.
They don't have the numbers, obviously, with some of the heroes being dead, but they also just lack the damage.
These heroes are too much to handle, OG are just gonna get killed after kill after kill, and beat Bet Boom into submission if necessary.
Static storm will get the kill on to not sue me. They got the lockdown on him. They got one. Yeah, make sure to get the racks here guys
Okay
Now you can feed away whatever heroes and I
Roar the back line we got the pot GP K gets him now chasing after Nico
Don't get him to eventually
Well, that's a gem.
That was also a pretty big draw from OG.
If they don't get Megazer, I don't know if they're too happy about the entire sequence, but they do get the Megazer.
Yeah, all of the tier fours are gone.
Yeah, they're not too sad about the situation.
But I feel like that's...
I think this game could have really gone either way.
Like, with that diffusal pickup on GBK, for the Lincoln break, and that playbog.
To me, that was kind of the game, that minute.
And I think Beth Boomb had a solid chance of winning a well-executed fight there, with
the surprise factor on OG, because your podge did not expect that play.
Instead, as a consequence of that, OG just took it and they ran away with it.
They seized the momentum.
They get three lanes, put themselves in a very solid position.
There's no Roche for 10 seconds here.
That's a rough timing though.
They can catch Scam on top of everything else.
got the gem, it will get, I mean this game's not over yet.
Gem to work with, I think double gem, yeah double gem, if they could get Roche on top
of this it would kind of give them, again an extension of the game.
That's a refresher, or yeah, that's a refresher for Roche, which is, this could be your
refresher for the bees.
They do a lot of net worth in this, like yeah they got Megas, but this is already
around 10 or 11k net worth.
Now it's going to be even more with this Rouge.
Geertich, he has Daedalus, he's almost 25. 25 would be huge for this one of you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We get that Bans.
And our Freshashard, pretty big for GBK, who is 25 now.
And a Blink Tagger for Katom.
He's huge because he with that axe, that Storm, he's very impactful.
You've got level 18 on the stage, so he's got big egg.
The lineup can defend against Megas with Underlord too.
Yeah, we may be in for like a bit of a long haul here because now it actually feels like Betboom can win fights
Oh, yeah, they can win fights with the Agh Static Storm follow-up play
It's not hard at all. So OG may not be able to end the game now
I don't think Betboom will ever really be able to push out the game. This is a very early megas
They'd go you off
Have to just kind of ride out to say just period and try and get some win-wakers win-wakers are pretty much your only way
To defend against this Agh Static Storm. Yeah, Niku's already on that. He's got the ULZ
So, you kinda have to take a little bit of a chill pill here.
Which, maybe not what you wanted to do, but that is the consequence of, you know, throwing away...
...a sizable chunk of that net worth the light of advantage.
Well, what do you wanna talk about for the next three and a half minutes?
We're just gonna watch heroes farm.
Oh, good.
You always ask me, but nobody asks the big man.
Because I don't have anything to talk about.
Okay, thank you.
Also, I give you one opportunity or six years of casting together.
You just said, I have nothing to say.
So all this time that I used to just complain, I say too many things.
It was all just bullshit as you.
Yeah.
Okay.
Good to know. This is the reason why I cast with you. You talk so much.
I don't have to talk so much.
So why do I get paid less?
I've been here longer.
If I do much work, why pay little?
That's just the dead status, man. I've been around longer.
That's the way it goes.
Just so you guys know, we get paid the same.
Don't believe Avery's lies.
He's a good dare.
Listen, you're listening to two bullshitters bullshit each other, right?
They're jumping in the base. Yeah, going after GpK, and then we'll get him.
He does have a fight back.
He got messed up by that Dale, it's MKD Weaver.
Yeah, he does. I mean, who doesn't at this point?
Hero is being burned out of all of his mana, by the way.
He's got a soul ring.
He's in the face right now. Yeah, Kyrgyz is like,
hell no, get this line out of here, dude.
What's he doing?
Man, I'm just gonna go for K.
He can't actually get him. Oh no, that's gonna be...
Is they just perhaps? Okay, so you can die to the final enemies, good for now.
They got the beast by it, that's why they're back at it. That's all you need.
That's a nice little play from over here.
A little ward up that river gate. Not a play GTK expects to get his buyback.
Bepebkul on it, you know.
I mean they can keep doing things like that, like just going with the lion,
impale Hex, let the weaver get the hits off, trying to kill anybody without committing.
There's no real turnaround for Pepoom. They don't have a hex or it's just if you can land the Roars
They're trying to make a move out of base right now. I mean gpk probably frustrated with
How this game is going for him, but the catch is just not easy there. I can't believe they're really trying to push out
And there is a win-waker on the bristle
So once again, oh geez itemization I can get another kill off this word
I see a camera got killed. I've seen a lot of pings on that area and I kind of assumed some of them were Bat Boom.
There's a smoke though. We'll see this ward now.
Here, just got to kill it here. Let's save this pinging earlier.
Still, they just weren't in it. So, you kind of want to fight here, Bat Boom?
I don't know if you're favored for it, I feel like when you push out and try and go after OG, that's when you're most exposed.
Yeah, technically, to correctly hear, people are not going to like it if I think you're supposed to sit in your base until Beastmaster is available again.
I agree, I agree.
I just don't think it's the kind of game you can push out and make plays from this position.
I mean, even if he gets my back, if you had all five of your buybacks.
Are you pushing on us, Betboom?
No, I almost feel like you're just holding this game lost-gauge for as long as possible until OG's screw up.
Your way to win this game is you run OG out of patience.
That's how you win this game, because there are gonna be six slaughtered on an old horse. You can't really stop it.
Well, if the trend of the series is anything to go by, that will not work, because Betboom has been the more impatient of the two.
OG has been actually rather pinched.
That's true.
But they are in need of a Gressor C.
I feel like that is often the first team that plays.
It's Miro flying out, full AC.
Okay, so they do get an AC eventually.
And they need an AC.
It's just too much physical going through.
It does.
Warm plus goo and all those minus armor.
So that's a big idea.
That means he doesn't have buyback though, which is fine now because the beast doesn't have anything, but
that's where we're kind of all in. They have no buyback on 4 out of 5 heroes.
So honestly, a decent time for them to strike.
Yeah, especially because if they screw it up, they're not going to lose their O'Shawn off of this.
It's still 2 minutes away from potential spawn time.
Maybe that's the idea. They're smoking in sneaky up the side.
Same idea. We're playing it with their Acer Sentry.
But Miro, you got no fire, my man.
It's playing pretty dangerous here. They're going to go after a scan at the same time.
Jirts is used in his focus fire, not getting anything for it. Supernova, nothing really there.
GDK, we've got a roar, nothing for it.
Beppoom are getting nothing out of nothing out of nothing here.
Good Shackleshot. Maybe he's fixing their way forward with a static storm on the two of them off of that Shackleshot.
Catching the Wind Waker hero and catching the line was perfect.
And it looks like the Weaver's gonna be in some trouble here now.
He didn't make it up for it, but they still got the kill either way.
Now he's gonna be run down as Kirit is another focus fire.
First one wasn't good enough, maybe the second one will be lost sight.
Didn't get him inside the pit, though he lost his invisibility.
He has a blink away.
GbK, Tramport, little bit of trap set up by the puck, but the puck isn't strong enough.
Tree, he hasn't just yet.
And Tram, one tree is all it takes.
Dude, he's so tanky. It's insane.
And they gotta deal with the base.
So that was a content only buyback, a Tim's buyback.
But nothing else really used.
Oh, he found the tree anyway. Got him.
And a Curetich.
Takes Jack, dude. He owned that fight.
Yeah, two two-man shackles.
GPK loses his Courier, which had Wind Waker on it.
So that's a big loss for him, but it'll respawn here.
And that was, you know, your... that was your Beastmaster Bioback cooldown.
So that's a really important fight for Bethune the Wind to re-stabilize this game.
That was OG's opportunity to end it. Now that they failed that fight, you might have to go into another roast
here, try and get an Aegis on your Weaver and end it that way.
So you already mentioned this, but we do have the focus fire advances on kills,
but we now also have the Pit of Malice Root. Last thing, just a bit longer.
We have level 20 on the Phoenix. So that Sunray is really cooking
level three static storm a little bit extra damage lower cooldown
These are they like a talent like that booms ultra late is
Spooky as well. She's because underlord with this kind of build is around the throne. It's like so hard to break it
And we saw the puck get roaring people the only reason that fight wasn't a complete disaster
OG is the Wind Waker from Ego, the failed D.O.Patch out of that whore.
GPK has honestly done a very good job.
Like, this diffusel build was super smart.
The fact that he can quickly break a Lincoln to get the whore in.
It's a very smart way to play around these Lincoln's in the lake.
They're usually impossible to get through.
It's giving himself options here and he's finding more connections.
Like, that's all you can do.
It's not really about, I'm gonna whore this guy.
It's like, I gotta take the whores I can get and find them.
and ult to any core. It's gonna be amazing.
And now this lead down to 4k! Just like that.
OG, they're gonna have to wait for Roche to put an Aegis on and fuck a weaver.
Probably a weaver here.
Yeah, definitely a weaver.
The other issue is...
I don't think you have...
...throne damage through the Underlord Crimson.
So you kinda have two cliffs you have to get through if you're OG.
Like, it's not as simple as we can go and hit the throne, get Glyph, back up, and then re-go.
So I think it's Underlord Crimson, it does.
A significant amount of damage block. Maybe with Divine on Weaver, you could get through it.
Or maybe just under Svanny's DBS generally. Does have to play your Svota.
Also BH, but this one's not an Aegis that Boomer ever contested in here.
Level 25 for the Bristleback. He's got the extra Warpath stacks.
Level 25 for Skim, a wee living armor which we found in the creeks earlier.
I think he is thinking about getting that shard now.
Thinking about it, but not quite pulling the trigger on it.
More importantly, they have the full lagging puck.
With the meal near agg, plus a fresher shard.
There's a lot of damage off the coils.
I think we got the lion's right back there.
Those are strong talents.
Oh, yeah.
Very spooky talents in the fight.
These earth spikes going out, just hitting people in the back.
Super obnoxious.
So buyback super important, Beastmaster buy coming up in 30 seconds here for Batboo.
So they're gonna have long, other than that disruptor, but it's okay, matches Tim's missing his.
It's a good old standoff in this one right here, going the distance.
You push the game to 60 minutes.
Oh gee, this would be a, it's definitely going to be one of the all times of throws if you
lose this one.
I think it's almost Bat Booms time to get double Wind Waker up somehow.
It's one of their problems is what happens if OGs just jump GPK with Lion Hex and Pale
and try to lead.
There's no save.
Literally nothing bails him out of that.
It's like GPK.
It's gonna get them in my curve, but we haven't done it yet.
He's gonna be the one target.
Right.
So that's kind of my issues.
You need a win away card on somebody else, or you need Phoenix Ags.
Oi!
Hey!
Or you just sit inside your base and GPK never shows everybody else's dollars.
You can always just sit in base and try and play the patience game.
The best victory condition for Vepum is that OG get bored.
entering the number of Dota players that have ADHD in there.
Oh, it's a strong strat.
It's a really strong strat.
Do not underestimate Boredom as a weapon in the world of Dota 2.
Many games have been one off of boring your enemy
into making a dumb move.
Do you remember a game that your team lost due to Boredom
when you were winning or won?
Because you just ratted out?
No, I usually lost because Eternal Envy
made some crazy shotcalls when it went in.
That's what I love, he does not strike me as somebody who says,
Guys, we just sit back and let them make the mistake.
That was one of the good things about playing with him, it's like,
you got to ultralate in these scenarios, you're like,
I mean, we have envy, like, we're probably going to win somehow, you know.
He only powers up the worst the game gets for you, so.
He also had all kinds of, he always had like the,
oh yeah, mini ideas for like, what you can do.
What were some of the crazy late game shots?
We had the mass purgers to make it a move.
They are.
Banner's going to be dropped here.
What?
That's just leaving something to the static storm.
Now the roar pushed that to me out of the static storm.
It's a little unfortunate, but you know, you got one kill and that's good enough.
Almost got thugged there.
Geez, he was lingering it way too long.
I don't know what he was looking for.
It's interesting that, Steve, he's kind of just using his eggs to counter coils like,
his coil goes out, Yopash wants to do the other, saves his eggs.
Yep, and then Slutmeray saves his team, but, dude, Kiritich is, this guy's refusing to
lose this game right now.
He's like, hell no.
I mean, after that early game, I can understand he has a bit of a grudge against OG.
Oh, the game looks, not crashes lately.
Alright, thinking about buying out the Ag Synth on the Underlord.
And then...
There's still room to scale here, that's why I'm here.
Do what?
Yeah.
Just thinking about Octor.
Um...
I don't really like the Octor.
Okay, but a right-click build, I just don't see him hitting things.
Think Hex.
Think it's Hex.
Like, you need to...
It's either Hex or Wind Waker.
You're either kind of going Wind Waker to bail, the hero gets jumped out, so you
have two.
Or you're going to Hex, so you have more threat against the puck and the weaver
here.
Octary is good enough to justify what's going on in these fights.
And he had nullifier in consideration a while back.
I mean, that's also like kind of okay as a Lincoln Frank or whatever it would.
I don't know, I'm just kind of on like Wind Waker Hex train this game.
I would never say no to more disables or more saves.
Heritage also has kind of another slot he could fill here.
I guess Dragon Lance right now, which is not a true late game, you know, six-slot item.
Either going Hurricane Pike or you're trading it out for Disperser.
You can also eat Aggs and get another slot that way.
So, I was wondering if there's still a lot of room.
Alright, a minute fifteen, still 60-minute items.
Avery, if we get all of our 60-minute items, all of our tier fives,
How many of them will be Necrobux?
Yeah, I was listening to the cast yesterday and Shannon was really hating on Necrobux.
He said it's the worst tier 5 neutral.
Which I think is just insane fake.
I'm pretty sure Shannon just doesn't understand that detection exists and
like the value of having a invis gaudy creep on the front line that can push lanes in.
I'm sorry, hold on. Fifteen minutes.
It's for the tier five neutral.
No, it's for the tier five neutral.
I mean, I get it, but no, it's not because he just uses Karzy.
Well, it's gonna be close enough.
But I think, honestly, you're looking for Stygian,
you're looking for Necros, and you're looking...
Like, sometimes for Golly, it's better,
but honestly, I think most carries...
Stygian is terrified on some of these carries.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They get it on the weebuck.
What the fuck is going on?
That's my reaction to every Sunspan cast.
have you seen this uh rich shadow prism yeah it's not impressed me i've not seen
a lot of people get super good value out of it i know a lot of people swear by
minotaur horn i'm not super big on minotaur but it can be super good there is a 60 minute
announcement we'll see what they offer here we could get uh the blood rights that's true
from the underlord for big pit actually got cool but you definitely want some books here if
if you're a fat boon for just a detection on a tree weaver.
Yeah, legitimately, I think we're gonna see,
like, also there's the RNG of role-playing,
but I feel like we're gonna see at least five, right?
Cause, oh, do you wanna feel,
cause they're trying to push in it.
Yeah, exactly, and that boon wanted
because the action's nice,
it also helps push out against the creeps.
So, that's why you always end up with these,
because if something takes three or four
and you take zero,
the game becomes impossible to play.
Regalia on the Weaver, dear lord.
He's gonna...
Mask some kids out here.
Leapfooted as well.
He wants to cruise.
Got him on the coil.
They masked TP for this one and they demonized to fight in the opening on Keratitch using
everything they have.
The Windbreaker goes out.
TPK got the stun amount.
Keratitch is not dead yet.
A stun right through.
Yopai, are you gonna get him?
He doesn't, Jon Tuyord.
He doesn't want it.
They bailed him out.
They get him out of there. Not telling me we'll die. What a save from back boom
Do lose this one for his holstown? He's not opening for OG here. Yeah, is that enough though?
Get the wake coil. 15 seconds for that coil
Timeless whisper of the dread. Damn, he kept that the entire time
So he is still going to have that spell amp and now more spell amp on top of the spell amp. There's a food
Go try to push the issue
Very good opening for OG. He's taking a lot of damage here. Got the horror roar.
Can they all let him go? It's not looking good for it. Oh, nice beaker to blow him up.
Right, two minutes again, not to me. I didn't think they were gonna have the
damage for it, but damn, Garrett did. Nicest him up. Disgrace. He did so much
damage off the crits, like, this is the point the game where the time
lapse animation. Oh yeah, it's a big enough time difference of getting it
off or not maybe that needs to be one of his level 25 talents no animation of
time left this is still double five acts for bedroom on their support so oh gee
still very happy with this exchange to just wait for the weaver to spawn you go
again you have a five on three and they also just going to keep getting
opportunities to pick up these heroes you can see off the law crazy and fail
he was trying to keep his distance to use Frank so hard they are gonna go
The last room got double-pulled, got him on the roar!
Yopash! They have to damage! Where's the fall-up?
They need caretich for the damage, and he's not here right now.
Despite getting the disables, they missed out on the static storm.
Yopash is away. Miro slowed down.
They keep him here.
Slowing him down, grew up to go. Caretich, you find they're going to show up here.
But what about the...
What about the throw?
The agent that had HP, he came here in order to bail this out.
They popped the glyph in order to deal with the magas.
Oh, gee! They can now just push and hit it.
They have 25 seconds until the weavers back up.
The weaver comes up, they take Roshan, they just go for it.
I think there's nothing to stop them.
I mean, you have Crimson, but it's not good enough
against this damage.
That boom in big trouble here.
That was an extremely costly move.
That boom, you better come up with a plan.
I mean, OG played this really, really well.
They had traps laid up all over the place.
They said, we're not gonna let these guys
get 60-minute items, and if they do get it,
They're gonna die for it.
It's severely out in the upper region in terms of those neutral items right now.
To fine-rape your- I mean, come on! You've got so much damage!
Yeah, they're just gonna hold it.
There's the Bed Boom! You better run at them right now!
Because OG are going at your Ancient!
And that's the name of the game!
Here it comes! Guns on the 2!
Got a nice Quo on to the Phoenix as well!
He's silenced up right now!
Even though he's not even gonna be able to get off the edge! There goes the Ancient!
The game is done! OG have done it!
They will force tiebreakers!
That's probably not the passion they wanted to get the job done, but they get the job done.
That's what's important here.
And honestly, they've played that Ultra Lake game pretty well.
Like, that is an easy game to throw, that's starting to get a little spooky there, it can go bad, but they prioritize the neutral items.
They've played on that bottom lane super well, just denying those camps, kind of baiting that boom out.
They get the glyph.
Unorthodox way to get the glyph, but the second you get that is the current call.
Just buy the vines, go in, he can be hauling it.
Easy. Easy win at the end there.
We saw Neptune come alive at some point in that game, but like where was that team for the majority of them, right?
Just kind of getting slowly outplayed by OG with a tree strap where these heroes are unkillable, they have insane mobility.
They're a very tough land to play against with just the way you're getting ratted around the map.
We saw some of these big boys, they were super strong, super far, but they also suffered trying to catch some of these mobile heroes in the fight.
Well, Bebboon better hope that they can channel some of that energy that they had
Somewhere in that game where they started to make a bit of plays because they have a vest of three dates against OG later this afternoon
Yeah, if you just combine like the first 15 minutes of game one and game two into a full game
Then Bebboon crushed this entire series
Unfortunately Dota does not end after the mid game. You got to go all the way to the late game
You gotta go past 60 minutes in this game, despite the fact that MegaCrips were acclaimed a long time before that.
Still, OG decided to put on a show and pretty effective chokehold, even though it did go longer than I'm sure OG were expecting.
They didn't fumble in the end, I'm saying.
Yeah, I mean, I think from OG's perspective, they kind of had two games where they struggled a bit on lanes,
and they managed to crawl the way back in through better teamfight execution and better patience,
and we're going to take a look at it, I think, hopefully pretty soon. But I'm quite
frustrated with Beto, if I'm honest. I feel like it's twice now they put themselves in a position
where they absolutely can win the game, and then they just take this one fight where it's just
so egregious. It's just so unbelievably ambitious to attempt what they're trying to
attempt that it makes me question like how how can a team at this level think like is it like are
they stressed in the moment what's going on because it's not them thinking about Dota Clarity
and making the right decisions. Yeah they've definitely faltered in this series but OT are
such a cool team actually watching their evolution since they got signed to the org to now
they're so fun they're just so easy to root for because when they're snowballing off of
of their lanes and just running at the enemy team, that's great to watch.
But now that we've seen them show composure, show patience, and just outplay during team
fights, that's also another really fun style to watch.
And I think maybe a few months ago we wouldn't have seen that same level of discipline and
execution in their team fights.
Like, a lot of it was just them waiting for the correct moment, not making any
mistakes, simply pressing their buttons better, baiting the right hero in a
smoke.
Like, I just had a great time watching them in this game too.
I'm becoming a really big fan, and I want to point out in particular, I think Scammin'
Timz are such a cool support duo, the way that they play, because there was this one
fight where they just threw Timz's body, looking at what, I'll break the smoke, you're more
important than me, even though you're the five and I'm the four.
He breaks the smoke, he dies, he buys back, Trane gets a really great four-man overgrowth
and they win, and it feels like there are all of these little interactions between
the players where they are on the same page and they trust each other and it
maybe goes world-less, I don't know, but it's cool to see.
We had questions about letting Tree in through.
Did you learn anything about why this year was so feared
in Dream League and Blast as well?
Not really.
I was eating lunch during the landing stage.
I apologize.
I was hungry.
You know, you've got to eat.
I'm not ready.
It's what it meant.
He just didn't do anything during mid and late game then?
Not that I could see.
I see.
He's invisible.
Well, he's also giving vision.
That's pretty cool.
It's really cool.
Oh, he did great.
I'm sure he did.
I'm just saying he asked if I saw it.
I should know there the honesty is appreciated
We can look at team fights though. I love team fights. Oh
Let's take a look at the fights then I guess oh, I feel like
Bedboom had a pretty solid grasp on
This game leading up into basically the first rush fight
Which is where the first clip is gonna start being played and if we can just hit pause
And go back maybe like to the start of the clip
Here, if you look at how the Bed Boom heroes are positioned compared to OG, anyone that's seen Star Wars knows.
Which one?
Like the prequels. Having the high ground is a pretty big advantage.
I see where you're going with this.
And yeah, Bed Boom in this case are just not respecting the fact that OG has the superior positioning.
They're deciding to sweep in, try to break this high ground and it's just not gonna be good.
The amount of spells that they have to throw out preemptively to try to like, prevent them from getting spells off, see static storms on the tree end, and it goes up really early on, but like, nobody's really in danger here.
And, Batboom are in a position of power, like, they should be the team that's dominating this fight and securing themselves to Roshan.
And it just ends up with like, this terrible situation that they recognize and try to pull out, and slowly just get picked off one by one, and the lead gets kind of thrown again.
And it's, I promise you, if I show this clip to BedBoom players, they would tell me what
is this team doing, why are they walking up the high ground?
They understand better than that.
And then if we could hit pause once more, here we have OG attacking BedBoom very aggressively.
And I only wanted to show this because like, you know how Tundra farms or Falcons farms
and we call them boring?
This is why they farm.
They don't want it to be the case that like, one small thing goes wrong and they
We can play the clip
Here they get shackled on two heroes static storm comes up and they're just dead
Whereas like a falcons or tundra now there would be like
Two million or items being pressed and these heroes would have like an additional 2,000 HP each
So this just wouldn't be a problem and that's why they do it and it's the same thing that happens here
We're like some clutch spell casting from bet boom just causes like the game to get
Potentially thrown here's the only like a 7k lead when they walk up to high ground and this is why teams like falcons and tundra
Don't decide to do this anymore and they think it's much more valuable to just farm out the map and secure that win to a hundred percent degree
Make sense to me, but it ultimately gets ogea to even if it's scrappy and a little bit more frantic than they would have hoped
I'm sure they were hoping to end the game at mega creeps. I'm sure their coach was hoping to end that game this sooner
Adam I won't take too much of your time because I know you've got a best of three to prepare for but watching that game number two
How stressed out worry?
I felt like the like I'm not I'm watching on stream right so I feel like hey the game should be over
Just to play like hmm. What's going on?
For the next five minutes or six minutes, whatever do it. I'm just here like
I'm listening to contract and some of them are loudest how they must offer so I'm sitting next to like your pie shit
Like I don't hear you for like five
I'm like, what's, what's happening?
Yeah, it's a, especially I'm assuming Yopah is a pretty talkative player usually.
Um, okay, so they are talkative but they are soft, so like from where I sit, like I can't hear.
But like, usually I can hear like Nassumi, he's kind of loud, you know.
So like, sometimes when I don't hear things like, they're just players, you know, they're players that you do.
And like, who makes me awfully close?
Okay so then it sounds like you have some replay analysis to do.
How much late game Dota has OG experience recently because this game just went past 60 minutes
But normally when I think of your team, I think when in the first like 35 minutes after that, I don't know
I think the only late game experience we've had so far was against Liquid that blasted recently
The red Dota game
Other than that that's about it
But I feel like in SDA sometimes our games used to go a bit longer and these guys they play a lot of pubs right so they're kind of used to this late game as well
They may just got a bit
Over excited, you know the game fella. It was kind of over and then some two men's shackles, you know, that's that's been in your life
Those things happen. You can't do anything about it one last question before I let you prep for as the rematch
What was your past three days like because you guys came into this dream league group stage pretty strong
and then kind of fizzled out a little bit.
I think the one was okay, kind of true.
I mean we played Jakob who I think they were in like a state where they developed like good understanding
but we came from Blaster, so we had like a bit of a better understanding of like what to play.
Against the next I feel like they were a bit burnt out or whatever word there is.
I think that day was like kind of a pass for us and then on game day two it was like
I felt our serious against Perry was like super close
Yeah, but I don't feel like oh wow they're like so much better than us or anything, but it also felt hard to
Take the losses and learnings like oh we lost to Largo I go
Because we didn't kill keep the Largo one extra time this team fight
You know it's like kind of and then the pain series. I think the draft kind of caught me off guard
It was like very random, they picked like this Windranger out of nowhere, like Skullfield
doesn't play it, and then we thought it was Kerry, and we responded to Kerry Windranger,
and like some life stealer comes out, and then he had this like Giga Ember pick, with
no response to style, it was just a ball of shit basically, for like a better word.
Day 3, Day 3, Day 3 was Liquid and Aurora.
We are just, I think game one, I think that game is very playable but I feel like we kind of lost a bit of ourselves and confidence
So we are like trying this like really, really kind of thing because there's like a lot of range carries right now, right?
Like it feels like damage heroes are all ranged, and we end up picking like melee and then we play some lane swaps, some new heroes, some new things here and there
It feels like against the, like before when we play like Perrier and Liquid and stuff and we're like full-on comfort
I think it's like easier for the players to execute
But right now when you're not able to be 100% and you're playing like maybe 80 or 90% of like what your pick is
I think it's hard to contest these teams that are like kinda informed and have a very solid structure.
Yeah
That's a great recap dude. Thank you so much
I would want to pick your brain more about it
But you have to prepare for the best of three run back against a bad boom team
So I will let you go ahead and talk to your team about that
But Adam congratulations on surviving a little bit longer in dream league and hope we get to see you again in group stage, too
Yeah, that's you later
That is it for the official games for a group stage a so let's take a look at the standing and
Which teams we have locked which teams we have eliminated and which teams still have to play out a tiebreaker
Aurora, Parry, Team Liquid are all secured to group stage 2.
Meanwhile, we have to say goodbye to Yandex, Pain Gaming and Yakult, which lines up with
what Adam was saying.
He was saying perhaps Yandex are a little bit burnt out or they're off balance.
Pain Gaming, they had a roster swap two days in and Yakult, unfortunately, just weren't
up to caliber in this group stage.
What is their look?
Yakult?
Yeah.
It looks like a bicep or something.
But where's the yuh in your cult in the logo?
I can never see it.
Well, I thought it was just the bee for the brother.
But where's the...
You can't just say cult, bros.
Can we get the standings back up on the string?
No.
I want to...
We want to put this...
What do we look at now?
Look at the logo there.
Can we zoom in on the your cult, bros logo?
I don't think we have that technology.
Okay, so the bee is at the top right.
Okay, get it.
There's a there's a flexi arm and a B for bros. You're right. Where is the why was the yeah?
That's a good point. I think that why is meant to be the bicep
It just doesn't show it doesn't show that well intriguing. I do love
Yeah, it's definitely a ULT and then the Y is just part of the wine like this snow. It's like the Y
Just like your cult pros, there are why I still tip.
You tried production, this is honestly, whoever's doing this good on you.
What we're focused on is that OG vs. Baboom in the center of the screen, because they got a best-of-three rematch. They're gonna run it back.
Now I alluded to Baboom team having occasionally the mental falters on occasion. Aiden, you think they can bounce back from this O2?
So to be honest these losses on liquid were the most frustrating ones because the games feel like wins
I know it doesn't look like it because they have like a 1k lead and then they just get like run over. Yeah, but
The hardest parts of the game are solved. They have solved their lane phase
They've solved like the early mid game
they have gotten the game to position where they're winning and all
Visually all the differences they need to find one fight that swings their way and
And it's crucial that you as a team recognize that right now all that needs to happen for us to win is to win a fight
Yeah, and there's a very many ways to set that up like if you would have some teams here
They would shove a wave make some enemy hero TP and then smoke and take it for a fight. That's a way to create a good fight
The only thing you can't do is just run into the enemy high ground where they're sitting with five heroes
and just expect to win the fight.
Yes.
Do you think it's a bit like that thing they call in golf,
they call it the Yips, which is where even if you're a golfer
with a great swing, great game, sometimes you get in your head
a bit too much and you start stanking it and hooking it
and stuff.
So if you're as a team, you're like,
we know how to do this bit, we do that bit,
we just need a good fight, guys.
And it's panic sets in and they literally
are either over pushing it or not taking the fight
so they should.
Do you think it's that?
I don't know what it is.
But he can't be a structural problem with their drafts or anything.
No, no. Like this game for me, it's like, if I looked at it, I would be like, it's like a patient.
You know, if they want to, they can just do the Roche standoff for 25 minutes.
They're not losing. Like there's nothing that's gonna...
Nothing's gonna happen. There's no reason for them to feel the need to like...
Anakin Skywalker at it. They just don't need to do it.
Low percentage please.
They will get to re-evaluate because they get a whole best of three.
But that's coming up in the two series later today.
For right now, we got to look at Group B, we got Extreme versus Mouse coming up next.
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at a group B where we've got more teams and more potential for tiebreakers.
Four teams are currently in the soup and they don't know if they're going to be able to make it all the way or I get eliminated.
We on the mainstream are going to be covering Xtreme vs. Maus
and Afim is going to teach you a little something about their supports.
Hey guys, in honor of TI winning the support player in Sanya,
being a very special part of Dream League, applause for Sanya.
Thank you guys, thank you.
We decided to take a closer look at the supports of Extreme Gaming versus the supports on Nautz,
because they're actually quite different stylistically, and I think these two in particular have this
biggest difference, maybe an entire tournament, because guys, down there, if you take a look
at these hero pools, what's the number one thing that stands out to you?
Pudge! Yamich knows what he likes.
I feel like one guy plays melee dudes, and one guy plays a little bit of everything.
Yes. For me, I look at Yamich, and he is very much
a specialist type of support. You look at Fyne, he's what I call a generalist. He does a lot of
things very well, but currently I don't really attribute anyone specific hero to him, but Yamich
is the type of guy who plays melee support almost every time. In this tournament it has been every
time and he doesn't care if it's double melee often. He does not care whatsoever. These are
his heroes. He does it well. He specializes in that and we can see that the rest of his
team specializes because of his hero pool as well. The difference between Fyne and Yamich
affecting their offlane players as well is that
on XG their offlane has much more unique picks individually versus boom on
mouse and
When you have specialist supports like this
I feel like it can kind of be hit or miss depending on the teams
But it seems to be working for this one
Aiden in particular
I wanted to ask you if you're on a team with a four player that only plays meleis
How do you think like what kind of off laner do you think you need?
It really depends. I feel like there's like either you pair up if you let's say look at the hero pool the Yamachanth
Either you pair it up with range dudes like you run the vipers razors bat riders and those kinds of heroes or you try to match it up
With like strong strength heroes they can kind of like manage on their own
Which I think is a little bit more of booms wheelhouse like timber Mars
Maybe that type that's a bit better or bristleback. They can kind of like handle their own
That's exactly it. That's the style that boom has been playing this tournament. He's been playing the bristles the Mars
even the bruise and the slardars, and I think that's the big difference that we
will be seeing here, but if we could pull up the next support graphic please
where we can compare the fives, these ones are passionately a little bit closer
to each other, but there are still stylistic differences. With Exnova you
look at his hero pool and it just seems like an enabling type of hero pool.
As in, I will buff my Ame. I will make sure my Ame has the best game
possible and I will focus on the lanes. Whereas you look at Felery, it's
It's kind of the same thing, but he seems much more heavy on sustain heroes.
Heroes that will heal up his team, eventually group up with his team that seems like that
is his role.
And in particular, the Chen and Ensh, I consider them vision heroes.
I think they're heroes that can use their units to just go out on the map and figure
things out.
So while they are a little bit closer to each other, there's still, again, another
big stylistic difference that I think we see in the gameplay of Maus vs XG.
And the last graphic, if we could pull up please, it's the Tusk Slats in this
tournament. I bring this up because Yamich, as we saw before, melee hero player, he has
a 100% win rate on Tusk. Five Tusk games, all of them wins. I think this is going to
be a very contested hero in this series, and the only player that played Tusk on XG from
Dream League so far has been Exnova. I think it may be something that FY has to steal,
but we'll see how that goes.
We've got a chance to see that in the draft. Thank you very much, Afi, because
If you're wondering why Xtreme are in this situation right now, we have high expectations for them.
They got top 4 at the last Dream League, and we got a chance to catch up with X-XS on his expectations for this Dream League.
Maybe we played well in the last two days, but we finished the game in two days, which is a big improvement.
Everyone is so patient, just want to blow back the team, and then send it to the high-level.
There are a lot of such actions, okay?
I think we are in the adjustment.
I think the most important thing in the team is to find a set of suitable things, and then just keep playing the same thing.
Keep playing.
We are still in touch.
I think we are more suitable to help with the map's control of the map.
But we feel like we're not able to be lonely for a long time in the country.
Every day, I feel like I want to see people do it, and then I send it.
Training is like that.
It feels a little boring.
If I don't do it, I keep paying.
Edna, see you chuckling over there.
What about these remarks to the Sprex team?
Oh, it's everything.
It was so honest.
I feel like he, like, you know, it's like the small, the sneaky hits against his teams.
He like, you know, just farming all day is just kind of boring.
Only thing for Golden, taking one fight per game is kind of boring.
Well, we don't have the patience for that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was like, I feel like he very clearly has an understanding of what they're good at
and what they are.
And like, maybe it doesn't super feel like he's the reason they say that way.
But he's like down to do it.
I thought I was a really good interview.
You agree with his assessment that he's saying like extreme exiles because they want to find one decisive fight
Yeah, yeah, I mean they definitely fit into like, you know the team spirit type team
Where it which is a lot about like control the map play for gold play for resources play economy and then find the correct fight
Like what bet boom is not good at. Yeah, they are usually the experts that true
Maybe he was barking on his teammates as well. I feel like a little bit
I think in the polite pro player way, he was kind of like you guys
Stop it. It's the bane of every off laner there carry
saying something like
well
It's just sub diff. Okay, dude
Speaking of stuff. We're gonna keep you up there for the rest of the draw. No, I'm not kidding
The sub diff between Tusk and Shadow Demon. I find it impressive that you said Tusk is gonna be contested in the first pick
Yeah, I'm just best hero
That's me tech expert, but I did think that X-Trum would try to steal it for themselves
Maybe they just don't look at themselves as a tough team because
Okay, so what I didn't mention I forgot to mention is that twice in Dream League FY has played melee heroes
One time was a tusk and one time was I think a Largo flex both times of the losses
So the two times he's played melee supports from four his team has lost
That's interesting. I also was thinking about the fact that I'm in on the hero pages
Ex Nova was like their primary host player right?
Yeah.
But isn't FY the Tusk King?
Isn't this like one of his like absolute main heroes of the past?
Would you say Foxy is the Tusk King?
No, but I think it's like I'm trying to refer to, I think it's PI8
where they pick axe and he goes, they dare pick axe into the Tusk King.
Yeah.
You're right, that was one of his sillies, but I think his style has changed a lot in so many years before.
Like, now I associate him with the likes of Mira and Safe as a ranged war type of player.
That makes sense.
I wonder what's prompted this evolution in him? Maybe it's just an overall fetishist?
Damn. He's so different with the one here.
Yeah.
Celery the shampoo commercial.
I feel like I started this meta.
I was like, yeah.
I think you started it?
I think so. Yeah, I think so.
I feel like I grow out my hair, and then Salary grow out his hair, and then Cap grow out his hair.
No, Cap's had it.
No, I did it before. I did it before. Oh, God.
You're best done already.
Okay, sorry, Sint.
Okay, how did you start this metago?
I just feel like after I did it, Cap did it, and then Salary did it.
What year did you grow out?
Yeah, if you had your hair longer, Cap did it fairly recently along here.
No, it was like, okay, so the year we won TI, like that year I started growing it up.
Right, that was a while ago.
Yeah, but then Cap saw the result, and he was like, hmm, I want me to sum it up.
Oh wow, I thought you were talking about the range support meta, but you were talking about the range support meta.
I was like, wait, how did you start the range support meta?
And then Ted said he started it, and I was like, I don't know about that one, chief.
I see, I see. That was a strong way to understand. Plus you, Ted.
The dry air, it's really getting to my sinuses.
I hear you, I've been sniffling a lot too.
Get some birds, get some calves, get some phoenix, extreme gaming.
Get their second and third pick mouse follow up their tusk with a Mars
You know what's funny, so I mean, I haven't seen Phoenix one a single game
But that's just objectively not true like every game. I've been on yeah, he's lost the game
But he has a higher than 50% win, right?
You know how many of those games are not coloring the Lord everybody keeps bloody picking
Yeah, it was like one game snaking two games white mom and then all elbows
yesterday you said when you were like okay the phoenix is a tiny hero
through your opinion now change another
FY class yes it's FY Phoenix
I think it all back game for more than FY toast
game for TI eighth grand finals he literally like told his entire team
unplug your keyboards unplug your mice I don't need any of you guys
I'll do this on my own because me with my as
as Quinn referred to it, or as you justified it, it's a me and my radiant for five seconds will win the game
but not when f5 plays it, when f5 plays it, it's like it does everything it gives you teamfight,
aoe damage, aoe stun for like two seconds on five heroes that's 10 seconds stun, like 250 damage
per second on everyone, that's how it works, it also refreshes all your spells gives you full hp,
full mana, triple refresher, it's like incredible all the things that it does and then if you
by the road you also feel like a gazillion damage in an aoe line in front of you also
hitting five heroes but only an f1 stance and kory stance when f5 plays it that's what egg
does okay but i will say that fenix he does require a teamfight anchor to actually make
use of his egg make use of his sunray there's nothing really doing this for him outside
of the shower do you think mirror that they might use it the same way that bat boom
would try to use the egg which was a counter to coil where the marz arena comes in
And you just agg and it's like, well, you can stand and fight in your Mars arena, but there's going to be an agg going off.
And that's what I think Save was doing in the last game, was every time they were coiled, he'd agg as a like, well, you know, you've got to make a decision now.
Yeah, Phoenix gives you area control. Like, he can counter initiate or initiate, depending on his hero pairings, and it's nice to get the stun tower and give him that, like, little bit of a reliable lockdown.
Not just for the agg, but for the stun rate. It does a lot of damage, but people need to be put in place.
The stat bar is really... I've not seen that yet.
Let's think about the interaction we were talking about. What ults were you just referring to?
Well, I mean, don't get me wrong, the goop is good with the mazo.
But even better, Ted, to think about a top speed versus the egg.
But I feel like this thing doesn't really play out that often.
We've seen Phoenix a ton, and we haven't seen the stat response.
If this was the stat box that everyone picked up, they'd be banning the zero.
Something's wrong with this hero.
It used to be the case, I would say, a long time ago.
I think people just forgot about her.
People don't forget about Snap, much like Dre.
The thing is, Snap was really good a couple of tournaments ago, and then on the 7.40c patch
where Little Shredder got nerfed again from 0.75 armor per hit, to 0.5.
And then people were like, ah, well, we were winning lanes with that, let's get a different
hero now.
But when new supports trend, old supports often get cycled out, but it doesn't mean
that they're bad.
No, indeed.
The pros just have a very short memory, no offense to be true.
Yeah, because sometimes some heroes get really remembered.
What are we doing about that?
That's why in Vespa 5 Finals, we'll see heroes that weren't touched the entire tournament just show up all the time.
That's why all tournaments should be Vespa 5 every series.
But in terms of overall draft, outside of the kegs versus the Mars, which is tough on lane,
I just feel like Maus's draft looks really sphinerogetic right now.
Like, it's just nice.
If you look at how things make sense.
Also cool thing here is Jira is one of the few carries that can hit Egg while also shredding your team.
So Egg actually becomes like a tool for him.
It's like placed in the middle of the fight like, please hit me.
And he's like, I will oblige and flak everyone around him, you know?
It's a pretty...
Like from Phoenix perspective, you don't hate it.
But from Jira's perspective, you're like, that's nice. I like that.
Even more team fire and present cataclysm on the arena,
on the cooldown and the mournerous kisses.
He's gonna chlism all over him.
Let's see how that goes.
Big team fight on the agenda for Mao's
and Extreme Gaming Sunday Storm Spirit mid.
Please don't... listen, don't do this thing
where you guys pick cool team fight heroes
and just fucking farm for 50 minutes.
Especially let's fight.
Let's do some shit.
Oh, Mao's...
You're in good hands.
Mao's likes to fight.
Good, good, good, good.
Mao's loves to fight even.
Um, for me, this game
is gonna have a lot resting on Storm's hands
for XG to be the playmaker, but I look at the two supports that are playing with Storm
and Shadow Demon and Phoenix, they do not play nearly as well around the mid lane as
a Tusk plus Mapfire dealer. That's going to be a lot of the first 15 minutes of the
game, like which team can enable their mid lane or better, how many Sunstrike kills
can be set up for it, etc. And Chis is going to need a lot out of his support in this
one. Because overall draft synergy, Maz's looks super good.
Do you think they'll have the patience to farm it out or do you think they're going to get restless again like I success this thing?
I think it depends on the day like you said. We'll see which XG shows up.
Which one do you think we'll show up?
I think they'll get baited into fights by Maus. So not the patient one.
Especially because Maus, for as superior as their teamfight is, they're also relatively cooldown independent.
They only need like two of their big ulti's up at a time to probably win a fight rather than the teams that need like all five
I need to get my ravage and I need to have cataclysm and I need to have some follow up after that
I mean they are a temple team like mom
I think miles likes playing fast draft
I think any team that I've seen salary succeed on has always been a fast team
It just seems to be like that's his wheelhouse and he understands that and I think players that understand like this
This is what makes me good at Dota, and they are able to force that kind of playstyle.
They tend to do good, and that's why I think a big reason why this mouse team has progressed
so fast and become like a top tier team so quickly is they know what they're good at,
and they stick to it.
That's true of all their players too.
Mid one have also considered historically to be like a, I'm laser focused on my type
of Dota.
Yeah.
That's the way I'm going to play it.
I mean, I think Mid one in his prime, he was really cool because he would just
first pick a mid hero and he would have a hero that he would play like the entire
patch.
Monkey King, don't care, Viper, Razor, don't care.
I will play Monkey King and try to beat me, you know?
I think he's evolved a bit from that, but that's like,
he's very much the same.
Let's see if he can get away with it in this game.
Number one on Invoker and Cap and SPG to cast it.
Hey, we've got the pandas back in house. Look at them go.
No longer dangerous, though. Good for them, so props to panda reproduction.
This guy sprouts you by panda reproduction.
Five-inch smoke four man smoke from extreme
All right, let's talk about the matchup Avery you and I both have the theory that mouse is going to run over extreme gaming
Pretty much any Chinese team is likely to be run over by mouse because that's kind of temple that they pull
draft wise does that
Reflect oh, yeah, this is a really fast strap my mouse
You're not waiting for any just go go go tusk and set stuff up snapfire Mars can set stuff up look for kill snap connects
Well with the lineup this invoker can play pretty fast
They have a lot of speed and this XG draft could get punished a lot of clinkiness in this lineup a lot of scale
Almost got a third
Good try boom, but not good enough to be on it
You have the kez against the bars that we've seen all over and over.
Yep, that one's pretty rough.
Also, just stylistically, like, we both think mounds has the advantage because their playstyle, you think matches up well against Extreme, but if Extreme were to win, what would be their way of winning the game?
Don't give a bad decelerating phase.
Keep it controlled, slow down the pace, defend your towers.
hours, lit, mouths go into you and just be ready with the response.
Like have two pieces available on supports, have a mid that can rotate and bail out some
early skirmishers, which they do in the storm.
And if you can find anything extra in this lane phase, that's just like a cherry on top.
So just play a solid defensive style game.
It's totally fine in this meta.
It's not as if teams are getting run over or just, or a push out of the game super
early.
Yeah, I would actually argue that Maus is the atypical team of the meta.
I would say it favors a little bit longer in Asperger.
Yeah, in that way.
A few years.
That's, I don't know if we are seeing teams execute fast-paced tempo as well as they were a couple of years ago.
There's not as many teams focused on it and it's not their skill set, and the meta has shifted away from it, but...
Like, I don't think Maus is as crisp as Demon War, for example.
Yeah, or liquid at the TI they won.
Yeah, we're getting into that murky territory of how much is meta set by teams like performing really well, what they do.
Sure.
Versus what the actual like gameplay patch dictates what is best.
The old chicken or the egg. The old meta or the frog.
Do what a player says.
Common phrase among Dota players, particularly those in your secret group chat, it's not
a secret group chat, that makes it sound really weird, it's just an inner circle.
Right, that's not weird at all.
No.
In one?
Cannot deny both water lines.
They don't get some damage on nothing to say, so nothing to say with the bottle
Recharge is not a fruit. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh mid-watch is barely out walks the remnant
That wasn't incredibly high play by play for him literally just walking the other way the river
Yeah, but how often we've seen that situation the remnant almost always
Closed he walks the other way
I'm sorry for making the game interesting
Son of a
Replay look at this look at him walk frame perfect walk away. Look how close it is
It's so close to exploding. He didn't even you didn't even have an expression reaction just stone cold killer
You were never gonna hit him with that one
Moon is not having fun. No, but everybody knew he wasn't gonna have fun because we've seen this matchup a
A billion times that it's never good for Mars.
I didn't put the snap up here, instead of the Tusk to pull waves, which is also interesting
because I thought, yeah, just pull waves, like, the sling doesn't stop the wave plane at all.
Yeah, you get Tusk, Drinking Buddy, he's a gyro, so I like get the lane synergy, but...
Honestly, Boom's not doing too bad in CS, like, somehow he's the highest CS of his other lanes.
They gave him the drinking buddy's gyro and then as we saw earlier he was just getting denied over and over again
Yeah, that's just doing work done
Like a little trading earlier, but the lane from cold back this that's ours just yes
He's super. Well kind of the outside of this drinking buddies push the wave out style
You just denies on
Don't cookie to get away first blood there
You have it right as they were going for the kill and nothing say they will not get that kill because of the
Switch counter rotations from f1 ready to go just like you said if that's gonna be the game plan for extreme gaming
I mean we're talking about how to play against miles. I'm sure extreme gaming a long talks about
What they need to do in this series those games looking really soft for them
They're not forcing any stupid moves. They didn't give up any bad kills a nice quieter leading for them
Super valuable and what you're doing
Okay, something going now. It's his way. It's always says don't worry boys
I'll look at the job done
Because it's massive though free farm lane against a good matchup Ian you got first blood
Now the question is a dream for all me will he go back here?
Probably it's all me sure he wants to
Phoenix back into play and it just immediately aggression.
How's our mid lane matchup going? 21-4 for the Storm Spirit.
So I'm not really getting the better of the invoker.
Here comes the drinking buddies, here comes the disruption.
Good action farm for Kristallnus down here, has the Lotus to refill his mana and he's rotated to the rune. Look at this!
This is how this is value of pushing out the wave. You're not going to sit there and CS against Senthar.
You just go into the power rune with the carry at 6 minutes.
Got him in the shards. He's taking successful hits down. Big ones coming over.
One or two more flak cannon shots and the sun strike to secure it.
They make sure to get mid one funneling that little bit extra golden experience.
Interesting move.
I don't know if it paid off too much for Chris.
Oh, mid one wants to take it with the shield rune and not having level six on nothing
to say.
He thought there was an opportunity there.
It's just pressure, no kills, nothing to say.
Should be able to get his level six.
There it is.
So they don't really get that game connection here on the storm they so and then the sapphire shows which meets poor poop will continue to be abused
Yeah, this is probably the best outcome of the Mars versus Kez matchup that we've seen so far played it pretty well
Yeah strong support with them
They're gonna contest wisdom try though
Somebody gotta help celery on this
Is there any teepees yep, they got a teepee in from mid one
actually got the I can't believe I'm a spec around so long that he did like that
now it's just gonna die grappling claw trying to get some distance so I
got miss tornado dodges that no doesn't dodge it just got clipped like his wings
guys that was a weird death right there he's going to battle fairies so
feel like if you're going to battle fairies die it's also an extra bad
you're delaying your old timey here off of a free farm lane that uh that one was
not a clue I thought I thought it was gonna be the perfect example where you
can take it a little aggressive force a teepee you know and it just back off
safely and for some reason on they just could not help them so kind of
looked like he dodged that to me I don't know what that is a little yeah
Yeah, you got away with a little bit there.
Little extra girth on that one here.
Little girth goes a long way.
Forge Spirit unable to dodge the run in the river.
Not as skilled as mid one.
Well that's a little rude because mid one's controlling the Forge Spirit.
Is he though?
AI?
Forge Spirit Autonomy.
Some say it's true.
They need support limits here.
He kisses up.
Keep looking for some aggressive core kills.
You have arena.
You have that sun strike.
Where is he going to get level 6 though?
Like, this isn't one of those setups where I feel like
that the mid laner can leave lane and leave it open to the support.
So without, like, successful...
...ganks...
...there's gonna be a low...
...a slow level six.
Combine the supports.
These are go on.
Probably Kes.
You can maybe kill the Centaur.
This is why I don't really like the drinking buddies,
because I feel like tag teamers give you so many play options in the game.
If you're not tethered to gyro, I feel the TIGERiness super skills better.
Does drinking buddy pay off in the long term with the gyro?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a very busted combo.
Right, so I get it, but I still, I feel like it hurts you around the map.
Especially for mouse and their playstyle, what they would be doing, fighting extra
kills, gear machine, create some chaotic designs, it does slow them down a little.
It is definitely a slower build, and that is not to mouse's.
Maybe they're just not gonna bring the gyro into the place.
I'm coming through the gate with the smoke, but this has all been read and awarded on both sides, so even if you do smoke, they're still like...
The missing heroes, the gate channeling, animation.
I like the Kristall's Instinct nails on it. I think too many people sit there like,
Oh, maybe they don't know about it and I'll make it work and like,
You make the play, it doesn't work instantly, go do something else.
The team's had to read, just respect it, and move on.
Don't waste too much of your time there.
I might still force off the waves, so you're still recuperating some net worth here.
And the hammer, done for mid-one, so the invoker's gonna start the pressure towers if nothing's
happening.
And this will accelerate the game naturally.
This is a pretty fast hammer.
He's having himself a very good linear.
Completely unpressure.
What you're kind of expecting, seriously.
I don't think it's Mal's expected stream to be running out there, but it's interesting.
Double smokes from Malus.
Look through the gate now, smoking Mars the other side.
I mean, this is a lot.
Ooh, the arena just outside of catching X-X.
Shadow even disruption.
Not looking good.
And extreme gaming.
I love this from them.
Right?
Full rainbow TP's in order to defend against it.
Do you think they can actually get any kills or if they get punished at all for jumping forward damage does end up going down here?
Boom spear back Phoenix is still fine
Sunstrike trying to land the kill on the Phoenix
Not quite good enough to take mid tower though. You can meet your hammer and poker left alone
It's honestly wasn't the worst outcome for miles. No, it wasn't but that is the kind of response extreme
We're always gonna make they're just playing a defensive game you make to move on them
You should expect the whole team to come the arena spear which is
Okay, look is it worth double smokes basically?
No
That part hurts for sure. They're not bringing a boker down here now
And they're still not gonna get it
Limiting limiting their place for later on. They got the dog. They got the dog
What's going on here chasing through gyrocopter
Does not feel like he can kill the egg or wants to kill the egg. He'd probably have to die for it
And as the Kez, we dice him up.
Yeah, it's a significant miss chance to go up on him.
That's the right call.
He doesn't have a miss chance he might be able to kill, but then you're dying in Kez anyway,
so not worth it.
Not worth it in the end, but he goes up to take that miss chance and do a count.
He had about 30% off.
This hasn't slowed down the Kez too much.
Like his rotations around, trying to go up with that wisdom shrine, he dies, trying
to play for here.
Did he get the kill?
They only got one kill out of that situation.
that was to nothing to say so it was high-sweatling steam storm is kind of
cruising here in terms of the XP a little poor but there you get some power
and so be chillin
If this is available, you have arena available.
You always want to be looking for anybody who shows on this map.
If you're mouse is kind of set up for it and if nothing's happening, probably bring
this to poker top and look for the tower.
That's a free tower to take.
It is really scary that like one Tosca or one Mars leads into kisses and sun strike.
It's like one of those heroes shows and you have no idea what could be behind him.
What kind of artillery power Maus is bringing to that one hero.
So we're bringing it all top right now.
That's why I actually needed it.
Hey, I think he did this here.
Which is great for extreme, I mean they're giving this up.
Again spy heroes
They're farming three different parts of the map very controlled game for them, which is what they want
Not very action-packed, but this is what their lineup calls for
Ex-nova scouting from the higher-ups super annoying
Breaking these plays up mouths thwarted again just cannot find the action they desire right now
Probably just need Mars Blink.
You're just trying to force too many plays at this point.
Yeah, I was going to say these plays are made a lot easier if you have Blink Tagger.
Especially when you're, again, you're matching up against Centaur.
You've got Stampede.
You really need that Blink Tagger, otherwise just walking at these heroes isn't going to work.
Look at this smoke from Extreme. They have a haste run on the storm, so feeling very
confident about taking a skirmish right now. It might find Kristal, is that what he's
going to be great for them? They can kill Jarocovter. The damage, they're going to
go for him first. Got that kill. Now nothing to say, wants to keep it going. TP is coming
in. Kristal is delivering a lot of damage back to nothing to say, but Kristal is
definitely going to die for this. Now here comes the tornado. That's going to
complete with an extreme gaming will back off counter rotations from mouse not
working they did not expect extreme gaming to be making a move like that and
it opens up army to take them to tower too these are just all extreme gaming
wins now they're winning big time in that's a huge move for them we stopped
mouse's aggressive plays they didn't get anything out of that top tower didn't
get anything off the plate towards mid then you make a counter play with the
power room that you secured because of those failed moves earlier success for
you Intimate Tower, Intimor Map Control. Really well played early on here for a
shooting, did not give a lot of openings. Didn't feed any bad kills on the lane,
wasn't any momentum given. Now the only real highlight for Malice is that mid
one is maintaining a very high farm rate, so he's gonna have a fast agatum
scepter to work with that Mars initiation. That is the downside in this game of
of it. You know, XG are playing a very solid defensive game, but that basically gives a
free game to mid one. On a hero that is always scary the later you go. Like you're not guaranteed
to win the Ultra League. So this idea only works for XG if you're very confident in your
late game team play. Which they are. And that would be real scary if you were playing
against DCM Invoker. Where does mid one Invoker rank in the Pantheon of Invoker?
That's a classic. He was one of the OG Invoker players.
Yeah.
Do you rate him higher or lower than BCM?
Probably lower, but he had a lot of very good games in his career on this hero.
He plays a very unique Invoker too.
Like when I think of his Invoker and the team's Secret Days, he had a very different style with it.
He was very aggressive, almost like a frontline Invoker.
He would just block smokes, get in there, be annoying on the front line, and set the team
fights up for the boys.
That's not exactly the style this hero goes with now, but he was not a very good strike
type in the first place.
Not really.
Or in your face.
Like, he almost played like the way he played Kunkaback then.
Yeah.
Or Monkey.
But you still have to respect what this hero can do.
the pin, follow up to it, sadly.
You know, Chrislis is in trouble on the other side, they pop the stampede, pop the supernova
right on top of them while they're also going out to the Mars.
God, I'm inside the snowball, dodgy!
The play from Amé here, trying to get him on the tornado, barely grappling claws
away.
Here comes that cataclysm, knocks out both Ex-Nova and nothing to say.
God, Ex-Nova on the other side!
Chrislis survived his gank, they pop stampede and supernova to kill him, and he didn't
die.
I mean now it's now it's mouse's turn to get wins back to back
That's a freebie for me when he I did not think he was expecting to get a two for one
But he'll absolutely take it there. What are we gonna know? I gotta know what happened to the Phoenix
How does he get caught in that cataclysm?
Trying to kill the child
Oh, he's got killed out of a good no no no the egg was used much earlier. Yeah, so he's just
No, that's the one lucky!
I knew it had to be something weird.
Because I was like, hey, it's already used, so how do you possibly die? You're like full HP.
Boom.
Trying to get too aggressive here in the top lane.
Way too aggressive.
Yeah, Mal was thinking, well, we have these cases arena, let's make use of it.
You have to respect actually being able to bring everybody into these tower fights.
Like, there's already a pipe on Centaur.
If you force something under a teleport location, they're gonna bring the whole squad.
It's their MLO the entire game.
Just like every time mouths gain an inch, they give up another inch.
Their status quo remains the same here.
Invoker's farming, but they're not gaining an inch.
And I do like all my joining all these fights.
I think it makes a big difference here.
Maybe he loses a little bit of farm rate, but it stabilizes the game, stabilizes
the map.
You have the extra damage and presence in the fight.
I'm looking for the Mars bottom.
Nice little bump away there with the guy that's going to be able to dodge the bottom damage.
But again, putting pressure on the map, not just complete AFK ancient farming.
Little Yasha Kaya too. Pretty cool.
That's pretty interesting.
At least I love your Raptor Dance.
Yeah, I was gonna say, I could see this being very good on the hero because it casts so
many spells.
In particular, Raptor Dance probably won against most of the Values, Supernova before
the Spearlands, but the egg will die either way.
It's got to be a roach soon in this game for now, well it's kind of awkward getting
this to time out for it.
I'm just going to go to the other side of the map now if you like you've got to do
Tormentor.
It's also acceptable here.
You're still going to be fine scaling for a while in this game because you have a
lacquery drinking buddy's gyro copy.
Oh yeah, this gyro's going to be huge.
nasty there is a demonic purge in this game and it's gonna be XG doing a row I
like that and you know they're gonna go to tormentor yes part of the year not
super fast because does it well and they also have no towers keep the two
towers gone what do you TV into your two and run try and cataclysm
That's a pretty hard read.
Nice little Aegis, and they have a great Aegis carrier in the store.
So super valuable here for XG.
Take it away from Maus as well.
Slow their game down.
I like their odds going into this late mid game.
Again, if you can just throw a Demonic Urge on Gyro,
remove a lot of these buffs,
debilitate his position in the fight,
let the Kes BKB and go to work.
The Invoker is really the only big player in the game.
The invoker is really the only big problem I see for them scaling here.
Yeah.
So they'll have to find solutions to the mid one invoker as this game goes later and later.
You have Stampede to gap close and you have the storm to jump in.
Like you have heroes that can get on top of the invoker but there's a lot of frontline here for now.
So like you have Tuss, Mars that are going to go in, Gyro is going to play on that frontline.
There's a snowball save.
If mid one gets a free fight he can do some serious damage to especially kiting out the kez in the light game.
So he will be public enemy number one.
But if you ever catch a broker, you just stampede in and storm vortex, pull him into damage
he dies, I mean that fight is, that fight sounds impossible for Gyro to carry into demonic
purge egg.
I just don't see it happening.
Let's get a damage in here later, but I don't think you can do anything with it.
Just gotta keep farming here.
Try to get to BKBs.
It's gonna be a big timing for Malus's BKB Mars, BKB Gyro against the lineup with
the little BKB control, but not a lot.
people to kite some of these heroes out as Aumei also trying to finish his.
Inception. Behind Aumei, he pushes into this tower. Boom!
Find the trees! They try and jump them! Boom! Blinks backwards!
Who gets grabbed though by nothing this day? Yeah, that was not the greatest blink of his career.
Yeah, it didn't take him too far. I was gonna say, like, he's lingering there a long time
on that smoke break trying to play it to the the last second there
got pulled on the other side probably gets caught no matter what
not a bad play from xG you if you don't find anything there you just kind of run past the
tower you invade triangle he's gonna take the tower no matter what you're playing for objectives
right now your lineup is not that great at catching heroes with the supports being
kind of static heroes. You just got to take what's in front of you. And remember this is a first
Aegis period that XG probably weren't expecting to even get in this game. Like yeah, we'll take an
Aegis here, we'll just farm up, we'll take some objectives, nice flow, steady pace, get to our
BKBs, then we get to ignore a lot of the gyro damage, a lot of the poker spells, the
marz Arena doesn't affect us anymore. That teamfight looks a lot easier. I think they are
ahead in terms of where they are track-wise in this game like I think
actually feel they are one or two steps farther along that progression than
maybe they would be on average here so they're probably very comfortable where
you know and there's your BKB there's your second BKB so to me that was like
you know are you gonna be able to get these BKBs before a lot of damage is
done they're ahead they have pipe crimson double BKB they're ready to
There we go.
He's only 24 minutes into the game.
You know, no matter what happens in this game, my respect for Yamich has grown.
Oh, I like.
You're gonna say your respect for me.
No.
Okay.
Maybe we're getting everything the best we can.
Yamich is a four-position punch player.
I expect this guy to be losing his mind having to AFK in the jungle, which are
a copter, but that's what he's been doing.
entire game he hasn't lost his mind close up on the camps maybe get an
idea of how much sanity is left but he's literally just been AFK following the
gyrocopter as he's cleared through jungle giving him drinking buddies and
ready to block smoke okay he does kind of look like he's bored as fuck I would
be bored as well. I, Ligic, could never play this though.
Oh yeah. I don't even care if it's good. Hell no. There's a Phoenix kill.
Well you gotta respect somebody who's willing to do the...
Oh, I respect it.
...the dirty work.
I respect it. I'll allow that.
Torino trying to help Boom out here, unfortunately, does not land. The Deathly Blast is pretty
good though. Boom doesn't really have anywhere to run. He's like, give me a
forcef, give me a cookie, give me out of here, man!
There's no more...
Oh, they're trying to fight me.
Hold up, he's out of mana, wait a minute.
I mean, he's got the Aegis, sure,
but it's gonna be time and out in 15 seconds.
They play this slow enough,
he might be able to kill him on that light.
10 seconds left on that Aegis damage.
One HP left, meanwhile,
the chrysalis cherishing after the kez.
Good disruption, saving him from some of this rocket damage,
but as it goes around,
I'll make it scrappling.
Claw, he's making a run for it.
It's the speed he carries chasing up against each other,
but nobody can catch kez, man.
How did nobody die?
That's insane.
Also, Yamash dodged the Poison Crock with Snowball?
Really? The hell was that?
Like, he's just mind-ridden effliling.
Dang it.
The YF, I didn't pop it earlier.
I don't know.
Maybe he just didn't see yet the stacks on it.
Beautiful cookie and defensive gameplay here.
And he just ran the store on a vanity.
He could have killed himself here.
It probably would have taken it.
Brake King style, but what can you do?
Even with Arcane Runes, there's nothing left.
Look at this, three Shadow Poison Stacks,
he's dead if it gets popped.
But are you gonna pop it, are you gonna pop it,
are you gonna pop it, and these skill balls,
then you pop it, oh my.
Also nothing to say, had a BKB at the end
of his Aegis expiring in order to make sure
that he was able to get out safely,
because he was very rapidly running out of time
on no resources.
He's just super good support gameplay there for Miles
to bail out the situation.
They don't lose anybody, they're frustrated.
Extreme here.
Probably felt like they deserved something out of that.
They get nothing.
Good day, sir.
Why do people break apart?
Why do they disassemble their items before they sell them?
On Jirocopter?
Do you get more gold back?
I asked this earlier.
I was like surely that it can't be the case,
without this twice that I've seen that.
Fall back on Yamage.
There's some trouble. Tornado once again trying to save these heroes
who make it gone on.
Unfortunately, Snowball is only going to lead to Yamage's death.
There you go. I'll move the monitor for you.
Well, stream gaming, still keeping that 2,000 net worth lead, it hasn't grown at all, but
I don't think that's really a problem for them.
Well, you get...
Okay, so I think you do get more gold because he gets full for recipes, right?
Oh...
So, I don't have to kill the case?
That was the case, like, 20 years ago, you would get, like, 80% or 90% of recipe cost.
No, I mean, that's still how it works.
So if you don't get the full recipe cost by just selling the full item, then you
do get more by just assembling it.
Getting the full for the recipe plus the half of the other components instead of half for everything when it's combined right, right?
That's it. That's very interesting. That's chop shop, baby
hell yeah
Next year you didn't tell me you work per year in a machine shop. Yeah, actually I
Did work for several years in machine shops, but not auto shops. That's a different piece
What were you doing in a machine shop?
You know, I went to university and you took classes in engineering and business.
And then you're saying, what am I doing in a machine shop?
I thought you had like a job, you know.
Shaving around with this smoke, do they want to make the jump here?
It's onto a sentar, a sentar makes the jump for them!
And XNXS puts himself on the front lines, got the snowballed enough they say, no fall up there!
They're trying to deal with the Shatterbeam, self-disruption, BKB goes out from mid one,
as he put himself on the front lines, drew some attention, and backs away.
How many of these spikes between Maus and Extreme are they going to jump and counter and encounter the counter, and nobody dies?
Didn't arena for that one so that was a little understandable and it's us got jumped first
So there's no lockdown there for rounds. Sure. It's just been one trying to find this shattered even
But here he has cleanse available. It's pretty hard to find FY as the solo invoker here with cleanse solar crest
She's gonna dispel everything try and walk it off. You have stampede available, too
There's a lot of disengaged mechanics in these teams. That's what's causing the problems
You need more hard lockdown in this game from both sides
These two teams do seem very evenly matched in that regard.
Crystal is going to jump snowball, trying to bail him out.
Half HP, pulling still from the Stormshearer.
They got a spear on two though.
That looks pretty nice.
Crystal is back back in the way with BKB.
He has to keep you out of this because of the demonic purge.
He does not make it out in time.
OK, somebody died.
Three people died on the side of Mao.
His extreme sweep that fight will take the Roshan.
Butterfly already 4k's and he's so far. He is really far.
Oh my goodness. Oh and he...
He's getting right now and...
Man, they are tankier than I would have thought.
I think Malzahar has a solid chance of turning this around because Gyro's not gonna die too fast here.
You get the super nice double spear, very clutch disruption on the right target, and you have Crimson Pipe.
Classic combo man, Crimson Pipe.
Especially against Gyro with all the split damage is just miserable.
It also starts with nothing to say any shield rune, they don't have the satanic yet for the gyrocopter.
Also just not a fight that mid one took over.
And I think the invokers most of the big damage from Alice here going late.
For sure.
The gyro looks great, but into pipe crimson he's not really doing a lot, even with some of the buffups.
Maybe with drinking buddies and max level alacrity, he'll be able to punch through it.
That combination has to come together here.
Quick torment to kill.
Shard pretty much.
The supports for miles are still fighting a lot more farm in this game.
Maybe that won't come into play with some extra utility.
And as Aume has 4 minutes to use his Aegis,
he's just beaten on tier 2s.
No solution for this butterfly as it's going to be Daedalus for the gyro.
Well, he can really only die to spell the origin scheme.
Now, Malus is not a team that can only win in the first 35 minutes.
He's a team that have some scrappy, long games and they've come out the victors.
They're not favored for it, but it does happen.
But what about their life?
Draft-wise, I have to imagine you favor extreme to a pretty large degree.
I think they're favored until old truly in...
We're talking 60 minutes plus, I think it gets wacky while begin, please.
I just always favor a poker and ultralate.
But for, you know, 30, we're approaching 35 minutes.
35 to like 55, I think.
I think Shatterdame and PNX are gonna be tough to fight here.
Store, like they have a free BKB fight too with Storm and Kaz.
You're gonna have to push through this period.
Get to Mars, hex refresher, get to Gyrosatanic.
Daedalus and like the invoker ultralake him
So worried about this gyro just getting demonic urge to
Not how's this done
This toss just being a buff bot. It's like playing a high old gyro or something
Yeah, the strat's good, but it's just not mouse. It's not the same thing.
Like, how far you're visioning, when Night Class is on, that team is so much better.
I think it's a lighter version of that with the damage.
I do get to use Hanna on the gyro for this base defense.
But, is it the HP that is the problem? Oh, Spearback!
Eh, Mike just takes away the Aegis for free here, Ami does manage to get off that ult, and he gets away with the grappling claw.
He hasn't lost the Aegis yet. Good disruption onto the storm that'll help him out.
X6S pops, BKB makes a run for it. Crystal is trying to heal up full with the Static, but now he's going to deal with Ami at the second life.
We're dangerous trying to get to the other side of this arena, but obviously just keeps Falcon rushing at him.
It's not fair, man. He almost finished him off. Grapplin' Glock had got him in the end.
One final crit. A spear back.
Chrysalis, why did she turn?
He can out of here? That's a kez.
He can always get out of here. He's chillin'.
There's no amount of distance that a kez can't cross.
He didn't like something.
He did not like something.
That's the Kez effect right there, just deleted.
I mean, he's just, he's using this opportunity right now.
There is no gyro buyback.
Titanic back up for him, so he'll burst him.
What is the range of that, man?
What? Oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah, Mitch.
You're too late to get a snowball save, but I think he was dead either way.
Spear back on in the tier 4s, tier 4 is being the only hope for mouths at this point because
they have neither one of their damage dealers.
Booms hitting spears, but they got nothing to follow it up.
This game just...
Yeah, it is.
They're just crumbled here the last few minutes.
I don't even really saw a full fight from them as actually forced it with the Aegis,
so you had to deal with the Aegis.
And then after that, just crumbled complete is Kez.
Destimating, you know, base, estimating, her life's just gonna have an entire...
Well, whatever he wants at this point.
He's on the level 25 as well.
I feel like teams are almost disrespecting his heroes.
And it's one thing to give Kaz if you have a high-adjective carry magic.
It's one thing to give Kaz if you have a bunch of e-gibi lockdowns, another thing to give
Kaz if you have a lane that you're like, okay, yeah, they have Kaz, but we're gonna destroy
him a lane.
I think we keep seeing these games where you have some answers, but not all of this
together.
And he's always against Mars.
He just has a free lane in Ozy's got.
He's playing from ahead.
I was like, uh, uh, Kez has a 42% win rate at Dream League,
but I wonder what that is when he's matched up against Mars.
It's got to be.
Because I feel like it's just anecdotally, we've watched him beat Mars,
like, five times over.
Yeah, maybe I'm biased because we just haven't seen a lot of the Kez losses, but...
Man, this hero does work.
It's actually smoking up, trying to end this game right here right now.
There's the one.
Is he in that gem? Can he get BKB up? No!
Even get off of BKB.
He's still fine. That's...
How much speed?
That was extremely casual.
They smoked, walked 20 feet,
walked straight into Ghost Block Invoker.
He dies and they're gonna get multiple hits.
Easy peasy.
I feel like most of the Kezzy we see the other one.
Yeah, you go short of side, critical, but I think the short of side is the more reliable
talent.
It's going to be hard to get the Echo hits in.
I like him, but I think this talent is the higher potential if you believe you can
land it.
You have a bunch of stuns that can hold people in place.
Let's see when you demonic purge gyrocopter is relatively stationary, there's not much you can do.
Oh that's a magnet here.
Pretty brutal.
The Sapphire was out there on the map to get a blast.
I mean, Christals was also trying to finish a divine raker here.
Spear closed, the courier's kinda sitting there waiting to buy it.
So it still gives you a little bit of hope here as well.
So if you get divine, and then you alacrity drinking buddies this gyro, he does hit quite hard.
Again if he gets the one first, he does not hit quite as hard.
And he's flying into the other shop here. I do not think you can saw that courier.
It's moving around the whole map. Does have the gold for it.
Oh god, it is flying.
It's just right back here.
He's shielding it through this air, dude.
Shield doesn't last that long.
Oh my god, it's actually gonna get down to him.
That is crazy he pulled that off.
Oh, can you take the 4 and 5?
He does have my back.
damage? okay
with all eyes on Kristallus to somehow carry this next fight and probably the next
fight and a couple more after that
next you just want to play for Roche here get an Aegis on Kez
Steal the deal.
It's going to be a long timer though. It's a way a little bit.
That's okay.
I get to play kids.
Almay missed his Echo Slash on an ancient kid.
It was quite embarrassing, but nobody saw it, except for me.
So don't worry Almay, you're secret safe.
stream gaming playing this low but thoughtically for a reason is one win
will secure them a spot in group stage two and begin to kill Navi's chances of
being able to get back because they needed either Falcons or extreme to go
Zero two which falcons currently playing against
pundra so that is a possibility
I'm not out of this one yet
they're looking, they're hunting
trying to find something, some freebie into
Roshan, somebody has to deal with creeps though
Maybe we have to site the bison boom on top of this divine rave here and get the lock down and the damage
And all my god players photo always gets
Like all these new trolite of RNG is not don't say that
Is quite he did that very good new trolite of RNG and TI
guy. Some would argue he did because he did actually roll his own. Whatever it was freaking
called. Yeah, and the other team rolled.
He just didn't know that he would get hurt over a double clinch.
Trying to pull him back. Oh, the close call to cop the spear onto the kez. Maybe they
can win this. With this cataclysm going out. Nah, he gets out the raptor dance.
That's rough. You had one chance there. Now it's all over. That's Kez for you. Yeah
You only get one chance to this hero. We'll pick up the rapier that'll do it
What a very one-sided game. Very controlled in the next game. One of the better games
I've seen them play in terms of like what are our goals this game?
What do we want to execute? How do we want to counter one mass of the foes?
They just didn't give them any open. Didn't make too many solving mistakes. Played it very
smooth, methodical, they brought the kez into the plays, they made the right reactionary plays, they didn't force any bad guys.
Just a very solid idea, I mean that's their style, how they like to play.
I think when all of them get involved, their games are always going to flow better,
even if the plays he gets involved in aren't super successful.
To me it's fine, I mean it's just, whatever numbers these plays, you don't want to get outnumbered and have it fall apart.
That's more important for their playstyle to me, so I always like him to get involved early.
Yeah, I saw quite a nice little chess game here, 7-1 and 8.
Highest hero damage.
I mean, it just felt like they came into this very well prepared.
Very well prepared for the mouse play style.
They were very defensive, they rotated, but they rotated a lot of heroes for it
to match the mouse numbers that they vary off to bring to fights.
I just didn't like this drinking buddy style for damage.
I like when he's playing packs and Tuskies going and making plays.
Yeah, they're already secured in group stage 2!
Where's the punch, man?
It's a little bit disappointing, I'm with you, he's got an archetype that he can stick
to, which is as Effie pointed out in the pregame, Melee Boys, which he did get the tusk, although
maybe he's slightly changed things up by going for drinking buddies, and F1, true to his
success, stuck with a range of support on the Shadow Demon, and Effie managed to
to find success with that Shadow Demon and the Kez and all of Extreme Zeroes.
They did, they cooked and I love watching Omri play Kez because you can tell he's enjoying
himself and when Omri enjoys himself, you're like, okay, extreme gaming or-
He's not playing Juggernaut, that's why he's doing himself.
No, he loves Juggernaut, but for me, a lot of this game as well, like before
Kez got to the point that he got to, can you guys hear this?
Yes.
that he got to. It was a lot of it on the storm spirit. I feel like nothing to say
did a great job in kind of leading his team into a lot of engagements. They were
able to kite the ones where Maus tried to take the fight and by their time and
when the games blowed down, which Maus really didn't want, that was just great
for XG if the game slows down, they can farm up, they can scale through the
late game. Maus needed to connect a lot of more of their plays but it was
It was hard, it was like a back and forth weird stalemate, every single teamfight.
I feel like XG got what they wanted, you know, they got the game to feel like pleepy and
lowly, and Ahmed's just hitting creeps guys, don't worry about it, it's all good.
A little lullaby.
It'll have a good time.
Aiden, you can take a nap on the, in the green room couch, nothing interesting's
gonna happen for the next 10 minutes.
You know, that's like the message that they're trying to convey.
Meanwhile, you know, Ahmed's just farming up the storm and getting stronger and stronger
and stronger and then eventually just reaches like critical mass and there's no point that
mows can walk in the room and say wake up my gyrocrackers go.
Oh Neil I'm old my broken old man bones can't handle that any more than than mows could handle
being put to sleep by XG. Well done. There were multiple situations there where no one
died in a fight loads of shit is cast as it all flash he likes it to cool and no one's
dead. They actually just disengaged. Maus are like, well, we threw all our spells and nothing happened.
Maybe boom, missed a couple of spares or whatever. We'll just back off. And looking to the scoreboard
at like 25 minutes, it was like eight to six or some yawn fest like that. I was like, this is
playing definitely not into Maus' hands. This is not their style at all. XG love it when they
can just be like, cool, we got all the right ones. Now we'll just go win the game. And that's
exactly what happened. Especially because we looked at the draft and we see the immense
team fights superiority that mouse have and it seems insane to me that extreme can just be like
i actually don't feel like dying right now but look at that look at their heroes
kazi is hard to look down and kill storm is hard to look down and kill shadow demon can save
penis can sweep away and on top of it all you have a central who can stamp eat and run you all
away so if he that they don't blow someone up without marz arena how you're gonna catch them
that's what you're gonna do gyro can run them down but he's quick he ain't that quick
Excellent analysis, Ted.
I don't know if that's true.
That was a great point, no, it's truly.
All of their heroes were really good at kiting,
and that's why we had all these stalemates in the mid-game.
Like, if they just didn't connect the way that Ted mentioned,
where they blew someone up in the arena, they just ran away.
And even if nobody dies on the side of Maus,
a stalemate is a win for extreme gaming.
Like, with that draft, them forcing spells,
nobody dying and going back to farming, that's a win.
So every time these stalemates happen,
you consider it like,
plus two free net worth, 2k free net worth for energy.
Yeah, that's up, especially when Amme is the one gathering that net worth on the kez.
He's having fun.
He puts up the good news.
He knows what to do with that.
Go, we'll carry.
Yeah.
Your aesthetic is kind of kez-like, actually.
Do you think so?
Yeah, just going back here, I'm pretty sure kez has a ponytail.
I can like...
Have you tried doing a topknot?
I'll ask the makeup artist.
Yeah, so maybe for next panel I'll be more...
Get some feathers on you.
Get some feathers?
Yeah, and swoop around a lot.
All right, I have...
Kez's voice is the only thing I've...
I don't know if I can do Kez's voice.
No, it's just default American bug.
Yeah.
So they could have done something a bit cooler.
That's true.
You should go like, ooh, like a pigeon occasionally.
Just do any of them.
Yeah, that would be cool.
He was like, I'm a bird man.
Hey, what's up guys?
I was like, what's happening?
So if I do Kez, isn't it kind of boring
because you already did Kez?
Well, with the hair color he did, and I guess...
And like, I feel like he also has like the...
That's what I wasn't sure.
Was it his headphones that was like pushing his hair up
Did he actually do the top knot you know you're like our team spirit reporter?
What are we huh?
You are a tour did like the whole Kez haircut and Kez hairstyle was it not a lot of hairstyles
To be honest, I don't ask him things like no
You don't ask him about yeah, we understand Jenkins to
But you know what next time we talk to them maybe not at the stream link
Streaming and next time we talk to them will ask about that hairstyle
And then we'll get back to you that that is a good point to bring up because currently all the streams are
Covering what's going on in group B with extreme winning this game. I can now confirm that extreme will not be in tiebreakers
Oh, what they're out. It's no they are secured
extreme and trying winning a game gets you know
It is not with games. There's a there's an Aiden cast right there. It is job production. Wow image
How many hours to back take to knock out?
They've been
I can't even move
I really do see it, I see there are loved ones
I do
I played Falco in Super Smash Bros Melee
You didn't play Dark Yoshi 13
Okay, it was Dark Yoshi 30
He loves it!
I really love it
I was excited about that
Did you guys know that
Aume is an OG
Cazendoyer, he's not a bandwagon Caz player
He was one of, like
The second Kez was released, it was out of Dream League, and then the next day Purge did an analysis of Aumei playing Kez.
He picked off that hero and just pubbed it forever and...
He's just an OG, that's what I wanted to say.
And a lot of these carries, like, I gotta learn Kez because he's in Captain's mode now.
He was playing it from the start.
He knew he was gonna like it.
Just in case it was Busted, I think that's probably a good move.
I think everyone does that though.
I remember when Primal Beast was released and Collapse played like a hundred games of Primal Beast in a row and he just abused this broken hero.
That was the one where one trample would kill the entire first wave.
Like, not only the first wave, it's a tsunami.
It would also kill the first heroes in the lane.
And it's like, the passive spell.
Nobody understood how it worked.
You would harass them like you would any other hero.
And then you just went, ugh!
And then you went, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
You would hit him once like as a support.
You'd hit him like once or twice,
suddenly you'd press it and you're dead and you can't run away.
You're like, but I hit him two times!
I did like 80 damage.
Everybody does it.
They just like busted check the hero.
It was like the same when Ringmaster was released.
I think this hero is also very strong.
I don't think he was broken.
He wasn't broken, but he was strong.
That's why Largo entered captain's mode so quickly, because he was actually balanced.
I would say he was a little bit, maybe a little bit underwhelming.
I do.
Initially came out, and then they've sort of improved him a bit.
But I was certain people figured out you get ags on this hero and you win the game.
That was the fact.
That ag wasn't released initially, was it?
It was.
It was?
Yeah.
But he doesn't have spasits, yes?
It would be impressive if they released the hero, and then the ags upgrade,
and then captain's mode him within a couple of months.
I think this is the quickest I've ever seen a hero, especially a new hero, come out and then go,
this seems fine, but it's counts as if no one's complaining.
It's honestly, Lagerhatt doesn't have that many complaints.
I think usually new heroes, they get a few right of them.
This hero hasn't.
No, I don't think he has.
The vibes, the New Zealand Kiwi accent, it all led to a very balanced hero coming out.
And we'll see if Maus can balance out the series as they are down one game.
Let's find out what they'll do in game number two after the break.
This is the story of a mortal man, an angry man, driven by revenge.
He struck a deal and became a tool for the unfortunate souls to condemn to hell.
This is the story of Razor, a story of hatred and anger.
Find out how this came to be in Tales from the Lorekeeper Episode 4 brought to you by DHL.
I keep on reaching high, I keep on loving and emotional
I keep on reaching high, I keep on loving, I keep on reaching high
You gave me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your heart some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is one who'll get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is one who'll get me through the night
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my own reflection
Knowing I'm all you see
When I'm speaking to you
I want you to bite it in your throat at night
Hiiii!
Check them.
Go on.
Check them.
Do it!
I'll wave my love on high!
What the fuck is this?
I keep on reaching high, I keep on loving
I'm emotional, I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving
God no!
I keep on reaching high, I keep on loving
I'm so emotional that I keep on reaching further
I don't like you
Good.
["Let's Get Connected"]
I'm gonna start this, man.
Good.
Alright, let's go.
One, two, three.
Let's get connected.
Let's run in the air.
Let's get connected.
And we can do this.
Yeah!
Let's get connected.
When we fly.
And then we fly down inside.
Let's get connected
We can make the whole world better
What? Come on!
Nothing gonna stop us if we unify
This is what they gonna mind the future of life
Everybody got to get together and do this right
Shut up, Jenkins!
Two!
One!
Two!
Three!
Let's get connected
What the fuck is this?
Oh, get off the stage!
That one's killing me with my little top!
Oh my God, you see that?
Oh, you see that?
Oh my gosh you see that!
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do that.
Can you see?
I've been so safe.
Thanks, Merge.
This one's fine, it's gonna like that one.
Thanks, Merge.
This one's fine, it's gonna like that one.
Welcome back friends to more Dream League of Season 28 where we are closing out Group
action for the very last day of group stage one. Group A has one tiebreaker, one best of three.
After we finish this series, you're going to get to see OG versus Betoom team the rematch
in a best of three format. Winner stays in the tournament, a loser goes home.
Is that the only tiebreaker? It's the only one that we know of so far. I can tell you,
as of extreme winning this series or this game, they are no longer in contention for tie
They're gonna make it through and let me actually tune in to see what Falcons were up to because if Falcons also win a game
Then they're also safe
Meanwhile team spirit and team Navi are
Desperately hoping that they can get a 2-0 if they don't 2-0. Oh, whoa. What do you know?
You know what I find impressive. Yeah, what's coming? It's how you have like a piece of paper
Yeah, somehow there's so much information
It's the paper of holding infinite infinite information
Yeah. If I didn't know any better, I would say there's a phone behind that.
That'd be ridiculous.
But you don't know better, therefore the illusion is maintained.
We don't have Tidebreakers in Group B.
Every single team did the thing that they should or shouldn't do.
Falcons won one game, so they're safe.
Extreme won one game, so they're safe.
Spirit dropped a game to Gamer Legion, so they're out.
And Na'Vi...
Oh, actually never mind Na'Vi, even though they're doing well,
Well, it doesn't matter because Falcons and extreme both won again, so they can't get 8 wins anymore.
So this is Naviar out. Naviar out, wow.
This is one of those glorious games where the stakes have never been higher.
Yes. This game? This game.
And which team do you think would take advantage of that the most?
I feel like this is like a glorified streamed scrim.
And like, finally we're gonna see Alma Arcordon.
Oh, I thought you were gonna say Yamach Pudge.
Yeah, there's nothing on this. There's nothing on this.
There's DPC points on the line.
But they're basically both through.
Not DPC, what does it call?
EWC points on the line.
DPC points.
Um, can I go?
Technically, yes.
I...
Technically, yes, I can go?
No.
If Ted's leaving, I'm also leaving, too.
My message to the players.
Come on, guys, fuck it up!
Let's go!
Technically, if you get Top 3 in Group Stage 1,
then you get some bonus points.
Okay, and I believe
Those mouths are in contention to... Never mind, they're locked for top trade.
Oh, no, okay, so I'll give you the stakes.
If you want stakes, oh yeah.
I want stakes.
Falcons and Extreme are both 7 and 5 right now.
Medium rare, please.
They're tied for 3rd and 4th.
The team that gets 3rd place gets 4 extra points.
It's not 4, it's a little bit more than 4.
Okay.
You get 105...
105?
105.
The stakes have never been more average.
I'm talking A1 stakes-off levels of...
What is that, anyway?
Honestly, that ain't...
It's not that bad.
Wasn't there one time where there were two teams with like a 50-point difference?
I think there was a time when there was a two-teams with a half-point difference for
the DPC qualifiers because of rounding issues.
That was one...
That was with outsiders, uh...
And I believe a Southeast Asian team.
Yes, it was.
It was.
Maybe fanatic.
Fanatic?
We have had close margins in the E.P.T. tour as well.
I remember that there were two teams where it really mattered.
It happened.
That's what I'm saying.
The stakes have never been more average.
105 points potentially on the line.
Hear me out, though.
Maybe extreme gaming.
They don't know that Falcons run a game.
They're just like locked in.
Oh, they know.
They didn't talk about it in their break.
Maybe they just want to stay focused on this game and stay motivated and like
they didn't check Falcons' score.
They're just like, let's focus on the next one.
Tell you what never happens at the team liquid facility you never have to mark work. I
Wouldn't say that there's a lot of hard-working members of the team liquid facility just not the door to two
No, but there's like again this never happens. There's two monitors
On the second monitor you don't see falcons playing against the novel never happens never happens first the thought yeah
They've got the bad hero and even I can win lanes with this hero
So you know he's busted and they've got the pugna hero, which Effie you had mentioned was a specialty of mouses
Yeah, it's a salary hero
You know
So I like to group up with his team
He doesn't like to be put in situations where they're just playing a macro game and you know trying to get farm where they can
He likes to just go together as five early take objectives and run at people and pugna with his word and his healing can provide bad
Although they didn't have a little bit of difficulty last game running into the enemies
And I think the lane swap, we didn't talk about it enough, but Celery starting in the
off lane, and Yannis starting in the safe lane, I think that ended up really hurting a lot
of Maus's early game movements.
Yeah, I think this is something they did very rarely on gaming as well, where Celery would
go into the off lane.
And I think generally speaking, they had a pretty bad target when that happens.
I think another thing that's different about the straffs already converted last one.
Last game they had zero heroes that actively had towers.
They had a Tosk, they had a Mars, they had an Invoker, they had a Snapfire, and they had
Gyro.
You could argue a Snapfire low shredder or Invoker 4 shreds, but it's not really the
same thing as a Pogna running up to your tower and blasting it.
And a way to amp up the game and make it a lot faster is to just group up and hit
towers.
And this Pogna kind of enables that to further build on whatever he's up.
You think Celery would get a Celery if he works in a gallery?
Celery!
Well done.
Beautiful.
probably would I thought you were gonna give me a fourth rhyme I couldn't think of
one pick up another thing that rhymes a salary salary gallery I was thinking
Mallory but the lottery oh that's real stretch Tom Follery it's similar but
it's not a rhyme rhyme a J Merrily Merrily
Celery is a salary working merrily in a gallery.
Ooh, bars.
Bars! I keep losing!
That's a voice line of-
Why does Mars keep losing?
He's close to a 50% when I'm 15 and 17.
Not awful, but for how high priority he is, I would have thought better.
Do you guys think we're gonna see Kaz as the picker?
He's banned. No, he's not. He should be banned, but he's not.
Yeah, just pick him fuck it does crystal list playcares. He doesn't really strike me as it's
enthusiast DK
Yeah, send the world a light a nice solid DK pick. You know what I like about DK
Nothing here is not boring to watch. It's very exciting. It doesn't over cool things. Well like nothing
Where are you going with this?
blame boring
Within a game with such average stakes. I feel like you have to pick more fun heroes
You can't just pick like the tried and tested DK pugnus guys literally barely anything is it's big
140 points 105 try to make it out to seem like it's more
You're adding value to the point you just often the space that we're in three you said 105
I feel like you said a hundred and thirty five. Oh, you're so hundred. It's a hundred and five hundred and five
Now he said 104 even he's desperately trying to find some reason first to care about this game
105 points are on the line, Ted.
What is that equivalent to? How many points do they have?
Literally gone to...
How many points does this dreamy give? Like 28,467 points.
Um...
If I come first in dreamy, how many points is that?
That actually...
4 or 5,000.
You get 4,800 points if you come first in the event.
Could be 4,905 points!
So I'm saying...
Okay, how about this?
I know! God!
I'll give you an equivalent.
Go on.
13... So we have 16 teams in this tournament.
15 16th place get 48 points. Oh, that's bad. And then 13 14th gets a hundred and 12 points
Oh, you're basically getting 13th place added to your value. Yeah, that's that's actually very average
You know what I'll take it back that is the kind of high-stakes shit that
I'm sick of you slandering the intensity of competition. That's on the line at this event. I'm sorry
You're right. I apologize as well. Thank you
It's just it's about weird point in the tournament where a lot has been decided
Do you know what I mean? Like a lot has been decided now
There's just this one game we get out of the way and then we're into the tiebreakers
Then we got the group stage to so it's like that last dribble across the line
It's not my fault all the teams played things out the most boring way possible
I mean shout out to game religion for beating spirit, but if that didn't happen
Different things could have been outcomes
What is happening?
Well, I'm just on the phone.
Oh, sorry.
Samus, gosh.
No, no, no, no.
Midslaners get banned out in the final phase, Void Spirit, Ember Spirit, they get taken
out by Maus, Xtreme, they ban out the Invoker, and the luck.
I did see a funny comment in Twitch chat the other day, which is a rarity, but somebody
said their rooms are all so boring that we're talking about the two people.
Booms got a dartboard.
These are actually, these rooms are intriguing.
Yeah.
What is happening here?
He's the focal of the closet.
He's hiding, it feels like he's in a dress shop
and that's the changing room
and he's hiding in there to play.
It does look like this.
He likes to hide, because he's playing Nick's who hides.
Speaking of Nick's.
He's in a shed.
Okay.
Speaking of Nick's stuff, yeah.
He's going to, I think,
Miles have an entirely different approach to this.
Say ship.
Yep.
Entirely different approach to this game than last game
because last game they were very team fight dependent,
right?
They drafted all of this big team fight
and when Boom couldn't like land those good arenas,
or if they couldn't kill anyone enough,
they felt very clipped in what they could do on them up.
This time around, they have Nix is gonna run around
invisibly scouting, they have the Ryder Lasso to play off of,
they have the pick-off potential of DK,
but also the group up potential of a DK
plus pugna draft, this seems more up to speed with them.
Not being dependent on cooldown
feels like it does suit them a little bit better.
I would love it if they're lagged
with the dart board in his room, Boom, Boom.
Wow, that is a nice room.
He's literally in a pub and there's two lads playing darts behind him. That would be funny. Sorry, mate. I'm just sorry, brother
He's in the adult. It's him in the side of the head. He's doing an official in a British pub. It's just he literally
Do you not think this is a much nicer room? I wish I was in that room. It's too futuristic for me
Do you think so? No, wait. Ex-Nova Camp is better. You can that's nice
I have no there's nothing here for me. Oh, yeah. What is there not to like? I'm too old for that
aesthetic. I like I honestly if I could choose to be anywhere in the world right
now that's where I would choose to be. You're no longer sponsored by this team. You don't work for them anymore, do you?
No. He chose not to be there as...
Can you guys give the training facility some other team or some other and you
guys went and lived in a ditch? I remember that very well. It was an
event and you were preparing for it by playing in a ditch and someone else
was playing in the alien with. I can neither confirm nor deny this. Explain your other dream league
placements otherwise. Meanwhile, Extreme Gaming, they close out their 24th pick with a mid Beastmaster
to go up against Storm. I mean, I like XG's draft too. It feels like both of the drafts are going
to be a lot more scrimmagey, a lot more bully. You're going to have the aspect of who gets
the first initiation. Well, actually, you're a little bit more cooldown dependent. I have
very specific memories of all my win right when ranger just completely popping off last
dream league whenever he got this hero he was in farming bro was like tp to every wisdom
right but he was keeping mid he was all over the place so expect lots of fighting this time
ted i always said team finds last game i will happily wager with you there will be brawling
in fact i will i will i will state now for the record there will be sub 15 kills at the 20 minute
month easily.
Alright.
I'll go, how about you go sub 15.
Yeah.
I'll go 20, like between 15 to 20.
Okay.
And you'll go 20 plus.
For 20 minutes, Mark?
Yeah.
There's like a one kill per minute.
15 minutes, 20 minutes is pretty solid, no?
I want more.
What about 30 minutes?
15 for 30 minutes?
I can get behind that for your low prediction.
The stakes are so moderate.
I think there should be more kills.
I'm looking at you.
Generating parlays on a very important game.
Cap, Avery, Cap I know you're good at this.
Can you please live up to the intensity of this game?
A hundred and five group stage points are potentially on the line.
Please sell it.
Get out of the way, trolls!
Don't listen to Cindren.
Cap, I need you to sell this game for me.
Nah, I'm good. Thanks.
What?!
Avery's your man. He's the hype guy.
This is the hype guy.
You're the hype guy?
Yep.
Whoa, no one's ever said that to me before.
Thanks, Ted.
But you better deliver on it, Ben.
What am I hiding?
Tell us this game how hype it is.
100 points every day matter.
105.
100 points always matters.
It doesn't even matter what the scale is.
It doesn't matter what the stakes are.
100 points?
100 goddamn points?
Tell me more!
105 points!
Plus five!
Which we'd like to know more?
Yes!
Push yes.
I mean, it would be more stakes if it was like 150 points.
Okay.
It's 105.
But it'd be less stakes if it were like 80 points.
But 100 points!
100 points!
Life and death. Let me tell you something, Neelya.
I had a child being born right now,
and I had the choice of being with that child being born,
or fighting for 100 freaking points.
I would be fighting for 100 freaking points.
Let's go into the game where one of these teams
is gonna win 100 fucking points!
Welcome, everybody, to Game 2 of Xtreme vs. Mouses,
We're 100 points!
Over 100 points!
Hell yeah!
On the line!
You never know when those points will matter, let me tell you that.
We were discussing that the point in Dota history, where they mattered,
some rounding errors, some half a point,
some day you end up with a TPI invite,
and a run-down bar in Tempe, Arizona.
Whoa, hey, let's not tell that for you.
10 p.m.
Oh, that's a different, okay, different story.
I'll tell you.
Group of bikers show up.
We've all been there. Never know when a hundred points is going to save your life.
Save mine more than a couple of times. I can play that much.
Now we need to know the story.
It's not a PG story. It's not appropriate for the channels of Twitch.
It's not a story the panel would tell you.
Boom you're gonna go for it. You're gonna get baited. Nah, he's not gonna get baited. You can't beat this
Did you get baited this man?
boom seven thousand no
Unbeatable
Unbeatable the only thing this man does is with himself. Let me tell you how much
She's gonna let that one sit there, huh?
Okay.
I'm talking about the hundred points.
The hundred points, of course!
He's baiting in his team to get a victory for a hundred points right now.
How did Yamage just take half of his HP in one little go?
He walked up got shackled and got hit by dangled and now they're tangled fast it is something else. Yeah broken fast
Stay one. All right, that's your life graph line. Oh, yeah, dear Lord. I first give me some one of those shots. I'll make please chill
That's not the face of chill. Oh
I almost look like he was gonna smile. Yeah dab on the haters
What if, what if, what if, what if you won TI eventually and he just dabbed?
But you went to the interview and they're like, you have finally won TI after 8 second
places, 15 years of trying, you have won the international.
What do you have to say?
And you just dabbed and walked away.
How immortal would the legend of all maybe, all time go to the interview?
Or you just went easy in my job list.
they could grab the Aegis. They're all waiting for the Aegis, you know? He grabs and walks
up the stage instead.
I never really wanted it, which please. That's what I'm saying. Like, there's some build
up here, you know? Could be a goaded storyline in the end, you never know. How's mid lane
looking? Pretty even. See what NTS can extract with the Beast? We've seen some mid-beast
Shasters doing pretty well
We'll ask you days
Oh my bar is quite high
Especially a hundred points on the line. It's not the time to be dabbling
Dabbling in nonsense. Oh, see like that. What is that missus?
It's pretty great. That's some nonsense dabbling right there
Get your head in the game focus up. There's a hundred points on the line
You have a cheese focus focused on pulling the waves
And he does not want to get shackled by Alm anymore. He did not have fun with that.
Well, he also doesn't want to be shackled to his carry like he was in game one.
He's playing Nick's Assassin. We said we wanted to see him be active, run around, do some shit.
You'll be doing that in this game.
And the Tusk was picked up by Extreme, so we have another case of the hero swapshanging against from one Tusk king to the Tusk king.
FY on his signature hero.
with the signature broken Chinese cosmetic.
Okay, I'm sorry, but like you only get one hero that you can like nickname yourself after.
And for FYI, it just can't be Tossed, it's gotta be Rubik.
He's played like three times as many Rubik games as any other hero that has.
Yeah, that's not about the volume, it's about the quality.
Damn, you really hate none as Rubik, huh?
No, I'm not.
I think there's a lot of players fighting for the number one Rubik's pie
Do you think there are other players who beat up f1 like historically speaking legacy-wise?
You think what?
The Absor? Is the Absor have the better claim to it? I don't think so. I think he probably does in terms of win rate and impact
Maybe win rate, but Kuroki was up there back in the day. He was the original Rubik
I'm sure have some god damn respect to us.
What's the problem with the kids these days?
I don't know, you're not gonna have any respect for the history of the game.
Everything just about TikTok reels and highlights, no one actually sits down and watches a Dota
game anymore.
Do you know that reference?
No, I actually did not.
Well, somebody out there hits it.
Do you know that reference on the counter?
No, I actually did not.
Well, somebody out there hits it.
Did I die?
Under the tower. That's a message.
That's how you know there's 100 points on the line.
What?
Not for grabs.
Nothing is said, gets it on the other side.
So extreme.
double water runes.
Not a very quiet early, a lot of quiet early in this event.
Maybe we're just getting them, but...
It's like there was a global truce called the first 10 minutes.
No rush, B.
Which is kind of weird because we had the Tango change.
Which I would have thought meant that
Kerry's cores would have less regen on them, maybe because of the tango change, so bringing
on more regen for themselves.
It's less valuable for your support to just die and come back in with fresh resources.
Maybe it's just about the heroes being run.
Oh my god, what happened to him?
He got to like 5 HP and he will get to 5 HP again and then to 0 HP.
He died.
Tucking, going for a second one, Celery will fall as well.
First blood and second blood, too extreme.
He said he was too quiet, Avery.
There you go.
Nice rotation from F.Y.
That's the Beastmaster winning mid lane, NTS delivering.
You make the rotation to him, now he's level six.
Beautiful sequence there.
The tussle of a combination and now, mid one, he has to go jungle, doesn't want
go back to mid against the roar so he's gonna let the nyx in there but the nyx can also die
at your lanes. And that in turn means the Batrider can't really lane so he's also
jungling and it's gonna be the nyx's assing getting worked on. Nice body blocks, not
hitting the spike caretapace, does it get baited into it? Too easy. There's
Beastmaster right now, these lanes are kind of crumbling. The bats in the
jungles use that gnawing bot lane as forms into the jungle. So you're only
landing one hero you're at the six minute mark usually not a recipe for
success conceding the power and it's a big one that six minute of damage
well I wish whoever on the mountains chooses to take over the mid lane the
best one. Towers is gone! It does not look defendable. I would mix plug them.
This beast is gonna control a lot of the map.
Power denying creeps, I respect that.
There's nobody around to get the experience.
Eventually they will though.
Not if the creeps just died to the tower.
There could be a hundred point deny right there, I don't know.
The last hit, okay, that is just straight bears.
Unless it was intended, maybe he wanted nothing to say to the, uh, or it's no
way to get the last hit.
Open ranger tag team action, Toss King owning this game.
Now chased out of Gambit, he came to show up in any lane, man.
They're there to destroy him.
Rump time's all around.
What about the top lane though?
Is anybody gonna help XXS?
Nothing to say to the rescue here.
Wisdom Shrine on both sides and the kills.
They're just getting everything.
They'll get them too.
This has to be one of the most one-sided early game sequences I've ever seen.
is too quiet and all of a sudden double wisdom shine a team kill across the map over three lanes
Now kills in seven minutes. It's a 35% XP advantage the NYX is level two
Dear lord did they just get rain
It's really cool because it's no different from game one as well, where it's like extreme
gaming beat mouths by being really defensive and responsive.
That's the face of level 2 nicks with no heroes to play with in a disaster of a lane phase.
You've all been there.
Oh man, already flying out the jab and he's so farmed.
Such a big threat now on his own. The beast is a big threat on his own getting on these power runes.
The arena is a threat if the supports are off the map because they're both level 5 already compared to level 3 and 4.
There's too many threats right now.
Yeah, at this rate they're gonna be off the map all the time because these powers are dropping real fast.
...cower Chikiro, 3 points liquid fire.
Nothing's happening, you're taking towers, and it was supposed to be the other way around.
Where Mao's were the one pressuring towers with the pugna.
Normally they like to do that. Maybe an early DK form.
The DK's still level 5, by the way.
Just did not get a lot of solo XP, as you had to split more with Celery, who...
...getting zero wisdom shrines, that'll not help his predicament.
Oh
All these years and years of training last hits
This is why I stand by my original statement of just take it as a support because if you can't outlast it your support
You don't deserve
has a big one.
What a crazy laning performance.
Maybe there's a lot of teams in the world who would look at this dart and go like,
yeah, that's kind of what I expect, you know, but from extreme gaming.
Yeah, no.
It's gotta be one of their best laning phases ever.
I mean, if this red dead might be right about his kills,
but only because Maus isn't gonna get in.
Surely, at some point.
We'll see, it's 5 minutes away from that deadline.
Gotta get the dead up.
That's the biggest thing right now.
Just gotta get the dead online so you can look for something with some extra damage here.
Just reflect the roar but I'll just do it for ya.
Oh my god.
It's rough out here.
It's rough.
Especially with every single power and guaranteed for nothing to say
This place will just don't breathe just a little bit more and you could be level six and have vendetta and actually start setting things up, but
Really gonna just barrel in here, huh?
But what else are we gonna do we taking everything else? So I guess we just gotta hit a tier two
I feel like that's a really messed up part is once the next assassin gets level six extreme gaming are gonna
be able to group up a lot. Like with all the tier 1 towers out and all the lanes pushed in,
it's pretty easy for them to connect to each other all the time.
They're just swinging between the lanes right now. They just do not want to let the image
sit on a creepway. What's he supposed to do? Yes, they just go jungle with storm or something,
and just pure liability right now.
Yeah, FY is going to leech a little of this XP, but it is the level six.
We got there.
So his game begins.
See where he puts his first vendetta past the land.
Some kind of connection here.
Yeah, the Gatsentry on the mid lane in Sinjarai, straight into a sentry and scouted.
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
First kill, a little bit low, get around the ice path, hit him, and execution.
Yeah, the snowball just needs to be after him though.
That one's certainly not gonna work. Of course Yamachih's going to die, but that's just the life of Nix's ass in and a comeback.
If you ever get a kill, you're probably dead.
The thing is why I looked at this Nix.
I feel like they just picked it because the amateur one of the played, he talked about it earlier in the event on how he's had a lot of success with the hero.
And maybe it's like one of those heroes he's trying to scoff to expand his fool with as another melee dude.
But this is a rough mix game.
It's not really good against a lot here.
Beast is pretty good against this hero.
Mars is generally okay against hero and the Tusk really owns you.
What is happening?
Awful. Just awful.
Okay, well let me not have to be that harsh, man. Jesus.
And say breeze analysis, oh
Love and kills 12 minutes and 43 seconds
Pretty high kill game by stanzas
Damage, huh?
So I damage
We got some damage, we got some damage to get on.
1.2k damage done by the next cast.
That's more than I expect, honestly. Somehow he's not even the lowest.
Well, Boom's been doing a lot more damage to Neutrals.
He's pretty much yet to interact with the game.
Yeah.
But he uses decently high level.
Which is both good and bad.
And everably when he dies he's still giving a decent amount of experience to the stream.
Maybe they can find all of them though.
Maybe we zip out, grab them into lasso?
How the hell is that?
Roll back, then the lasso!
And then the lasso!
No.
Where was the lasso?
Oh no.
All that time for this?
You hit...
You killed hundreds of neutral creeps!
The pause probably did not do any favors on that kind of play.
It just messes you up. That is a...
That is a bad outcome for Malus here.
What's supposed to be a free win ranger kill?
Turns into anything but free.
You're in such a nice path, though. I mean, he was!
He got me. And then he should have...
Like, everything should have been faster, though. Maybe one should have grabbed him as he was
Sipping?
They played it a little casual.
Next, you're just ready for it, man.
They're just already there.
You can see the frustration.
Very frustrating game for Malice.
I've been in this spot.
It's not fun to play these games where it feels like nothing is working for you
no matter what.
The image is going to stall.
Okay.
It's been dead as running out.
So that's why he's couldn't have sat there forever.
Gotta go.
It's probably a smoke with the Mars blink, but actually didn't find anything.
Good news for Kristallus, he's just farming up here.
Though he shows, he shows, they might go back to him.
Oh, quick 180, he turned on a dive just to try and catch him before he backs up into tier 2.
He's out of there.
Counter play from Mal, smokey mid one, he gets in arcane rune, super strong rune.
should find some rates was after X Nova got the ice path out to stop Celery at
least FY snowball pickup meanwhile the Nixon assassin will die
I'm gonna say did Jekiro fall but it's just extreme gaming looking to run down
more heroes X6S blink dagger and 2-1 he's got arena he's got spear and he's
got crystal is caught inside of it now they just need the damage and that's
gonna come from mom air nothing to say though they do have a little bit
I'm gonna save from this crept-fly, eventually. Heals, armor, toggle, okay? Crystal is just staying alive.
X6 has a spell to chase in vain. He throws out the damage on Celery. That's not enough to get the kill either.
And all of a sudden, mounts.
They've turned the game around off of that fight. They're only down by 3k.
Also, 18 kills and 15 and a half minutes.
I am really surprised how fast that Beastmaster died.
You should not underestimate this batman, which again, he's very high level.
But if you run into this fire, it's going to burn you real fast.
That's a perfect comeback team fight for mouse.
Under tier two, actually get baited onto the tankiest hero in their lineup on this
DK.
Not an easy jump here.
Gets the armlet off.
It's a lot of HP to get through, perfect the crab timing, celery, win ranger can't
do anything against him.
Man, just look at the Beastmaster burn out.
Kinda wow, that's a 2000 HP Beastmaster.
Arcane Rune did a lot for mid-funtime in this entire...
...game fight.
Yeah, it's so much, man, it'll work with even after the fight was over.
He still had a decent amount left in the tank there.
Well, so much for that pristine early.
It's definitely swung straight back around.
Now you can maybe look for a couple more Vendetta kills around the map if...
...actually you've lost momentum and they split up.
You find this Beastmaster once or twice more back in this game pretty good
storm spirit game. There's not a lot of direct stun for him.
Damn it she's hunting down bottom and he's correct there's a beast down here.
A little late to the party, already far and back so.
Probably not gonna find anything with this one. We'll have another Vendetta in 20 seconds.
Okay just cleared out the area not for them to...
Downside is a tower. There's Roche possibility for XG.
They have tag team Mjolnir done on the winter ranger with Focus Fire, Beastmaster or...
It could just do this Roche wall to the top pit right now. They have a read on where Maus are.
Man, definitely looks like they're setting up for it. Clearing out the vision in the area.
Maus now that they've lost that ward may have to start playing to this side of the map and they're going to smoke to it.
Three, four, man, smoke.
They don't want to give this up for free. They assume it's being done right now. It's not, but...
Kind of that stupid is
One's gonna jump forward it's no breaks got the catch on to the toss with the follow up stun change stunning them last
Oh, they kill him xxs beam walk on a really good spear back on crystal is
Put it in the roar. They really wanted to make sure a crystal is didn't get any more of those armlet toggles
I'm a waste in the focus fire a bit there puts it on the boom boom
All he has to do is just walk away pull back on a home a all mates getting low xxs
Phil comes through, sees the opportunity, spikily kills Celery, who was on a killing streak.
328 gold to Ame for that one.
Super confident to go in there like that. I mean, you get caught with like a pulled decrep.
You get burned out with the magic damage. Essence ring giving you some extra confidence.
Piranha Essence ring, in fact.
Piranha giving him a lot of extra HP.
I think the DK blinked into ice path, like the other side of it.
And then just got changed on as a result.
Pretty unfortunate position there, where Crystallis gets nothing done if the team fights effectively over.
They had to commit a lot on FY as well.
She don't really want to, like you don't want to have to commit multiple ults and stuns on this toss,
but you kind of have to take the save out of the equation.
Linking forward, missing his opportunity yet again, extreme gaming.
And they have a lane ward that they were working with too and still with that.
Unfortunate
Well, I'm sure didn't get taken no to our to force it now
So we the games a little more chaotic run in here, but the area I chance there are centuries on this area
So we cannot force it too much
Scuttle running out
We make it caught this vendetta's gonna break some of the smoke
extreme the dust doesn't hit Yammich
another dust NFY face somehow get the idea
celery what is going on over here that is a spot the position get the waves out
man just trying to stall the game up a little bit yeah like the 20 minute power
here but you're gonna lose tormentor no matter what it's a downside of dying
right now
well off the go to tormentor tusk charts to Kirochard
the life of an ex-assassin yeah now he no longer has mana burned the
instantly kill creeps almost a blink dagger though yeah that's that's why he's
hitting the neutrals he's like I'm so close to it man god this hero is so
bad at it
it's not gonna stick around for the wisdom shrine
They're gonna go on to Chrysalis again.
The heroes are just not going to be here in time, making Chrysalis' life really difficult.
I don't know how many places for him to farm with how much the bad is clearing out all
these ancient camps.
It's kind of forcing him on the lanes or the upper half of the map.
And at this point the game the DK doesn't want to be stuck up here.
Yeah, is DK your win condition?
Yeah, he is.
I think they have to get him a bit safer farm here.
Boom, he is done with the pipe.
So he should be taking less of the safest farm now.
I don't know, look for something with this.
Like if you're not planning pick offs with the next, you're not getting the team
fights, you are going to fall behind in this game.
You've got to be doing one of those things successfully here as mouse.
Especially if BKB is already done on the Mars, the BKB is coming out pretty quickly for this beast.
In fact, it's gonna be done here too.
It's like such an easy entry into the fight. You just pop BKB's nice cores, go in, kill the dragon knight.
What are you really afraid of? The rest of the team is entirely magic damage.
Line up the roach. There's gonna be a 22 minute power rune as well.
Shield rune, mid one feels like he's okay
and BKB has to be used and I failed jump from X-XS
and that shackle shot looks okay but
the shield rune is gonna keep mid one alive
roar goes out onto the bat rider inside of that one
mid one being healed up by Celery
Celery's sitting on the macro player though
he's gotta cancel it, what a shackle shot
caught into the storm spirit
but not good enough for a stream gaming to push in deeper
nothing to say, couldn't finish off Celery either
somehow Maus weathered through this storm mostly
if the next assassin is gonna die
and perhaps have to line at the same time
Jumped out from X-X-Z!
Unnecessary!
You could have just traded support for support there, but he tried to bail out FY.
Successful fight for Miles in the end.
He was able to tank through a lot of that initiation. Shield through on Storm, bailed him out entirely.
Probably why he jumps to that room, but if he doesn't have that, he is dead for sure.
It's kind of split initiations for X-G.
He's past Shackle on the Storm.
Meanwhile, the roar goes into the Batrider to try and counteract the lasso.
And then you're throwing this arena out.
But you're not really sure you want to spear in that moment, either, so just get super destroyed here for XG.
Ends at cost of them a potential teamfight in the Roshan.
Mouse can't take it, though.
See, it lose a huge amount there.
Despite it being a bad time to lose a fight, we'll have the image hunting and he spots Aume.
Do any kill there would be...
Yeah, this is the exact type of kill you want to be able to get.
OPKB, just a man to get through. I suppose Essence Ring too, but somebody heroes Blink's
done. And then the pullback? Good, the pullback. Oh, but last oh god damn they've got him there.
It's okay. Well awkward, but they get there in the end. Extreme Gaming's still trying
to fight it out without Aume, but then they realize this is no good. Not into
that pipe, not without Aume. They'll give up two more kills after Aume's done.
He's starting to crumble right now
The mix assassin pickoff game the second it starts hitting it can keep it
It can make the map miserable to play do not want to give the image too many of these
That was a big one that might just be Roshan
She's with the BKB for the dragon line as well. You don't want to say
17 galvanized step
Farming up any it hasn't died this game
Through attrition is building
He's 2-1 and 9.
He's quietly having himself quite a good game, honestly.
Especially without starting.
And now, he's scrambling to contest.
They do have a higher level of reward here, so they see damage.
Gonna be too late to get the Erosion.
Too late to stop damage too, and too late perhaps to save Ami.
Ami needs to be picked up inside the snowball,
but after that though, good ice bath,
macro pyre on top of the Primal Roar.
That looks very pretty.
gonna lose his first life here and boom almost dies as well that core trying to make it away from the toss
Chrysler's meanwhile blinks away couldn't get the ice pass bounce on the hell's our talk dive man now the punch to
stall him if they can get a good shard or anything they can chase down more heroes spear back on a boom
on the shackle shot lands onto the dragonite at the same time snowball through one to hit the other oh
Man what a clean up very extreme the BKB TP is no good
But that's gonna be a team wipe perhaps.
The Tusk King has come.
FY knocks him up the air, spear back as well.
FY is boning this game on one of his, if not his, sighing.
Perfect snowball safe timing on the Storm Vortex.
That entire fight's resetting now,
so they're just stuck in arena of pain.
A misguided jump.
Without checking the Tusk,
it's so hard to jump somebody's core city
on the frontline.
And they had BKBs this time on XG,
so the cores are able to commit
through a lot of this magic damage. They don't care about the Batrider Burn. They don't care
about something like the Pusnet Damager that makes this nasty. They can just run you down.
I mean, X-Fill is also a lonely man. He's hit some really big ice paths. That ice path
leads to the Makropire and the Primal Roar to keep them in the Makropire alongside
the arena. Which is too good.
I think it was it had some weird interaction with sticky napalm because it like locked on
to chris plus but it took a while to turn and that was a bullshit all I'm gonna
say it was the long-range Hawk technology
ICBM what else is the government hiding we're just asking the questions us
just what kind of off other Hawk technology
Well, we'll see them all in the UFO files soon, I guess.
That was a hundred point Hawkeye right there, I'll tell you that much.
It was.
Talking about the million dollar Dream Coil, it's coming for you.
Yeah, it's just that some of the Beastmaster and the Beastmaster Drums are always going,
which means Spike's Harapace is a free opening to change Dunham Arena.
To catch these heroes, they go out to the Dicks and Sass and the EZ Kill, they're
probably not going to be able to catch Pinkwan in that situation.
So, you take what they can get, get the high ground ward out of here.
Expensive return kill for four teleports. Not what XQ wanted to do on the map.
Spearback and ice pack?
Let's go with the early Lincoln skill, for a middleman. Kind of interesting.
Not bad this game against the roar that wants to be put on him, but not a lot of ways to break it.
Now, protecting his galvanized axe a little bit.
Even a snowball could...
Sometimes that backfires, but...
There's rain for all of these BGVs. I don't actually want to take a fight without it anymore. There's too much utility in this mouse lineup, even though you're ahead.
This fight could go pretty bad if a roar gets reflected, or the charity go on gets decrepit saved, and then...
Win run runs out, somebody gets lassoed.
That fight does not necessarily look too good for XG right now.
Mal's stabilizing the game a little bit here, there's the Lotus Orb so big
item. Boom can put it to good use here because it's super impactful in the fight.
Nullifier though, right on time for NTS. I'll really cut down Celery's
effectiveness. Oh yeah. Little 20 already as well. He's massive 8-9 game for nothing to say he is.
Brought the pain and there is always BKB still 200 away. Not the best smoke, the
smoke right as the creepway pushes into them. They still got the Storm Spirit though.
Spear back, but now they've lost a lot of their damage. There goes the Tonsimedia, buy back,
Boom. Well, he's in there with his bat rider and he's taking out X success.
Aume's gonna make for a run for it with his win-run. Couldn't really commit.
The rest of the team is going back in after damage. A dieback for FY.
The heal up is gonna keep the damage alive.
The battle of four positions going the way of mouse.
Even as Aume is still here while Christmas is not enough.
Damage healer. Nice little stun going out.
Now they're staying jumps in the middle of them.
Let's see if these drums can beat out the rest of both.
Boom and mid one. He's getting kited around.
It will not work for him extreme get wiped plus one
The utility coming out from the pugna on the back line so much healed so many good decreps
You have this pipe that writer is flying around the entire time and look at the damage split across everybody here
Like it's not about focusing one hero down. You have to get through this entire scene
Yeah, look at the damage split on extreme. I mean there's nothing to say
He's just one man trying to lift the entire team through this fight great fun to start off
But carapace slows down the beast and then roar on to the storm link
Nothing popped it kind of ended up deciding this flight event he has can land that
Didn't one probably dies and the fight's completely different
No big shackles out here from Amé either and
He's also just getting care of his awful lot of these me old near problem
So this mix did a lot of work in this fight
He got at least three or four off, goes in again, gets another carapace, and do another impale.
It's the only really working it's all made.
And you gotta remember this entire fight happened.
He's like 200 from PKB.
Yeah, it would have made a world of difference if he could BKB commit.
Just why take that smoke play?
When...
Even after they smoked, Aumei started hitting mid.
Because he's like, guys, I just wanna finish BKB.
Why are we smoking on 200 off this item?
It's super important for me. I can't really play the fights without it.
He gets dragged into a bad fight without it and now Miles they swing this game completely the storm is just out of control
It's 25 galvanized acts and I'm a key with me
His life again here with the damage sitting on him
I mean now the BKB it doesn't even matter as much more because now you're playing from behind
You have to deal with this storm strength
Zeroed like this though FY can bail him out the snowball doesn't have it doesn't have it
Okay, well it's up to the BKB, but now it's gonna be last out, so...
Okay!
Where was the snowball? What...
I don't know. What did he use it on?
Is it to use it or he used it on creeps earlier?
He just instanced on Storm when he jumped in?
There's another pick on this game. It's just crumbled completely.
This is not how I imagined Mouses going to...
Beat Extreme in a game.
Losing the early game really really are being far behind and been grinding out team fight
ones.
Pugna Dota.
Stupid ass hero.
I mean, one of the teller is absolutely best.
How the hell are you just going?
I got Daedalus for the DK.
Comp him up, you have Nix in the base for vision.
No way, actually, he fights without the Winter Ranger who's not even going to have
DK be winning cherries bombs because Ami popped it.
So let's complete this.
No way actually fights without the Winner Ranger who's not even going to have BKB when he cheery spawns because Ami popped it.
So it's completely up to NTS to somehow salvage this game.
And he has got a BKB early in the fights where he's guaranteed getting stunned by the mix. It's a big problem.
27 Galvanized stacks for mid 1 now.
The refresher for X-XS, he didn't come back because obviously they weren't going to be
able to do that, but he got level 20, he has his shard and he has refresher.
So if he can hit the big time spears, maybe they can turn this game back around, but it
seems like they're going to have to give up Roche and have a chance of 5-hand smoke
out.
They're going to try and get here.
It's not the fastest Roche.
It's also not the slowest.
XXS, he's just not gonna get here fast enough
or they're gonna choose to take the fight afterwards.
It's not unless an opportunity presents itself.
Late to the party.
Mouses, they use a lot of spells to rush that rush down,
but it's a good call.
Trying to bait the power room.
Mouses, take none of that.
This tharster is just sooo big, man.
Look at his passive mana regen, so stupid.
Two lives on top of it, and that's without the mystic staff, he's just got the city in his backpack.
If these fights go long, they're just so Mal's favorite, it's ridiculous.
XG absolutely have to get some sort of kills in the first five seconds of the fight.
Well at this rate, they can wait and get the Scythe of Ice and the Aggs.
Scythe of Ice for the Storm, Aggs for Fume, Fat Rider, and still have the Aegis.
Maybe even get Satanic for Chrysalis and still have Aegis intact for like a minute or two.
That's a really big power spike.
There's so many new items being brought to the fights that they were already winning.
Meanwhile, I stream, and I'm working on Nullifier for AME,
Refresher for Beastmaster.
It's kinda it.
We already saw the new item for X-XS.
Okay, pretty tense. Let's just try and force.
Some sort of high ground push or like kick off near the high ground.
Send the DK up if you think you can survive a jump.
Just another 200 gold on both Storm and Batrider.
They get their items and I imagine we'll see them start getting real aggressive and
shutting down the map.
I found another Arteen room for this Storm, and these are deadly.
Such a large mana capacity.
I see a hexagon, I mean, 60, 69...
Regen, a second, what's the manager out?
Oh, yeah.
Okay, there's that gem on Yammich, so...
Extreme gaming are gonna have, like, one chance on each one of these high ground wards...
to get the initiation.
They have to just camp forward.
There's no other way they can take a fight, because they need the initiation,
they need to burst a target in that initiation.
No fire needs to go down.
Ham, midwash is gonna clear out the area.
Good call.
Pop Sheva's side device, push them back and...
Oh, we'll take up the last kill! Axe last kill!
The pullback skill though, he's gonna be stopped by the puncher all in, on to Aume, they got him.
Got him, they came for, they'll get FY2 as he snowballs into Yamage.
Great last one for move.
He just knows, there's no BTBs he popped early from XG.
We're gonna get changed on that prisoner, so what's the matter?
So what's the weather? He's just gonna go for the extra kill on X-Dome, but inside of the base.
Why not?
Why not? The man's got 50 mana regen.
At the arcane rune running the whole time.
What a game from mid one here in game two.
6, 2, and 6 and 30 galbenized stacks. Just...
They kept their composure. This game...
Looks like it was out of reach, but...
They made it look easy in the end.
It's a power leadership right there.
That is.
Somebody sat down and said, guys, there's 100 points on the line.
That's exactly what it is.
And they're playing for him.
They might be getting him here.
Saw a refresher, but the Beastmaster, the refresher boys are online.
Here it comes.
War number one.
Arena on four.
Caught celery, too.
So it stops the heal that get the kill on the Knicks and Sastin.
Nothing to say.
He's going to have to pop a refresher, turn around.
Another war.
He gets lasso, pull back, though.
That's a little unfortunate.
They're gonna break this beast faster, break him down, spear on two!
Looks really nice, Shackle Shot doesn't latch the two of them though!
And sadly, that is where it's going to end for Extreme.
It's on me plinking away a mid one.
Still got Aegis.
Hardly tickling him.
Gotta heal this DK up though, he's kinda the only tower hitter, but...
Yeah, everybody's gonna be healed back up to full by Celery.
Didn't BKB get the pole, you're just done. Too easy to kill this one Ranger in the fight
with so many stuns, man. Why not come back here from the house? That game looked like
it was over, and then that one team fight. Get some mid stuns, get that like one pick
off on all of them. Game just goes from both teams, but NTS is having himself a performance
with mid ones just to follow. I'll show you how to take a game.
And it's funny, there's two different games where Malons and Setup put mid-1 in the best position on their team.
It seemed like the Invoker, he couldn't seem to really carry, but this one, this one.
He still had a good Invoker game though, that game got out of reach.
I don't put too much blame on him for that, I think this game is a very good storming game.
And he should carry this at a certain point, without any galvanized stats he built up.
He has just so much support and utility behind him, like pugnows just can't always fail him out.
It's hard to go in and roar, people you have to nullify them, but there's also slinkins.
If you pop linkins with nullifier and then you go in and roar, the dude gets to crep your sad too.
It's like two little interactions for XG to connect on these kills at a certain point,
and then everyone's just getting carapist done.
Over and over and over, you're just getting carapist done into double lastles.
Really nice game for Mouse. Not too usual playstyle, but it worked.
From shutout to comeback!
Now is the cure
Well actually mouse were not on the line for this one mouse
Get second place now in this group stage one, which means that they get 210 points literally
Double that is literally double the 105. Let me check that that's dope. He crushed the numbers. Yeah double
and now extreme gaming are in
in tears because their fate for a hundred and five points now remains on
Val'kin's result. What? If Val'kin's managed to win their game two versus
Tundra, which is looking likely, then Xtreme will lose a hundred and five
potential points. Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're telling me
that this game wasn't actually for a hundred and five points. It kind of was.
But it depends on another series as well. I kind of. So we hiked this game
off to be like this whole average series because there's a hundred and five points on the line.
Yeah. But in reality, it wasn't even that. I mean, it was one part of it. It was much more
it's fake for other teams. Yeah. Okay. It's a domino effect. If you tell me about this game.
You mean the 105 potential points? Yes. Honestly, this is a really fun game.
Like Cap and Avery said, it's not their usual play style, but this is the kind of one
that definitely feels good because you're playing with a 10k network deficit, you have to clutch a
couple of fights. The fight that we watched top where Crystal Scherz is armlit off as he's getting
speared, getting a little bit of bonus HP, then salary on the pugnodes to creepify,
like keeping him alive just long enough for him to do another toggle into a more life draining
into another heal. The way that they played a lot of these mid game long fights and their
ability to clutch them is what allowed them to go into that late game. You know, allowed
them to endure a little bit, take wins wherever they could, and then when they were able to get
pick offs with their next assassin and their strong combo, it felt like, okay, the ball is rolling,
they've got a good shot in this one. And they won it in the end, so hats off to them.
All 105 hats to them. 105 hats. 105 hats. Good job, Mouse. We are actually seeing a trend of
teams recovering from not being able to play to their original strengths. We saw OG come
back in early game deficits we're seeing mouths do the same it's admirable to see that these
teams are widening their horizons yeah I feel like this has a tendency to happen a bit more when
teams teams have some degree of issues like they they're very good at certain parts of the game
or they know how to play like 80% of the game correctly and they just have some parts that
aren't fully ironed out yet when you have those teams go up against each other this has
has a tendency to happen a bit more.
And I think I would say both Extreme and OG qualify as that kind of team right now.
They're not fully playing their best over, but they're kind of close.
And that means when the other team makes the crucial mistake deeper into the series,
they know how to take advantage of it.
Extreme will get more time to practice as they are still in Dream League season 28.
This game did not eliminate them.
And Malz will secure themselves second place.
Which means that we get a chance to speak to BOOM as that mouse was indeed as a victor's.
Boom! Congratulations on the game too, but that was probably not the way that you wanted to win game too.
That was a very back and forth game. You want to tell me about it?
Hello, thanks and yeah, I mean, this game looked kinda over minute like 7.
Yeah.
My subs, my subs were running around level 2, level 3 and enemy subs like level 5 and a half.
We lost both Wisdoms, we lost lane, it's pretty hard, so I don't know, but we have some things that we do when we're losing, when the game is rough, and we're out, so...
Do you think that you as a team have gotten better at these comeback positions?
Because we speed the U when you guys are at your peak, you win laning phase, everything is very smooth sailing, your movements are great,
but often times when you're losing early, we don't see these kinds of recoveries that often.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a lot about also comfort on our heroes.
Like, we all know our heroes very well and we know our timings.
So even if we're behind, you know, we wait our timings, they're like game-changing.
And we take just the right fight.
I don't know if we didn't really work on like playing for comeback, you know,
but it's just a bit random.
Sometimes it happens, then we also made a lot of mistakes in teamfights I think, and it was not in our hands this game, for sure.
It did kind of feel that way. I'm going to pass you on over to Effie, who's got a question for you as well.
Hey, Vim, congrats on the win. That was a really fun game to watch.
I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit on the Mars-Kaz interactions we've been seeing.
Like, from us, from our point of view, it looks like a really strong counter-pick, but it seems like teams aren't that afraid of it.
they're picking Mars regardless of Kaz being open in the draft, can you explain a little
bit of that reasoning to us?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just the thing that Mars is a really strong hero and Kaz
is like, a lot of people don't consider that strong, maybe some people don't even play
it, you know, so they don't know how strong he actually is, and some people are maybe
not that good at playing it, but this guy was very good at playing it and like, yeah,
it's obviously like a good hero against it, it's good in lane, like Mars cannot really
touch him and then in the game it's like hard to spear him at any point yeah I
mean maybe just the hero is not strong enough for people to like ban it or
something okay thank you I know Aiden has a question for you as well yeah
hello boom how are you doing hello thanks good how are you so my question for
you was could you rank the top two best cack offlaners
I mean, I don't know if you know this guy, but his name is Adde, he's number one.
Who?
Adde.
Okay.
You don't know this guy?
Never heard of him before.
So he's number one, and then number two?
Yeah, he's number one.
And Savorite number two.
I see, I see.
Okay, thank you.
Did you agree with those sentiments?
I mean, I probably would have put Boom number one, Savorite number two.
There you go.
But that's just my opinion on Chekhov's haters.
Well, we got the humble god over here, you know.
Boom, last question about your decor in your room.
I see that dartboard off in the corner.
You a darts man?
I'm a darts man.
I mean, I started recently, but I enjoyed a lot.
So then, do you ever watch competitive darts?
Because occasionally, I'll see these clips come up,
and it's super hype.
I get so into it.
Yeah, I watch all the time.
Whenever there's a tournament, I watch.
Like right now there's a Premier League, I don't know if you know, but there's a Premier League in Darts and it's like every week, on Thursday.
So that's a lot of good stuff.
Interesting!
Okay, so then what do you, are you trying to refine your technique? Are you trying to become a better darts player?
Or you just play for the fun of it?
Yeah, like I'm actually trying, but it's pretty hard since I don't put a lot of energy into it.
Like it's kind of for fun and I play with my friends when we go to the pub or whatever.
whatever. But yeah, it's fun like watching the players like every player like their different
style like different style of throw with different stance. So it's like fun to try out things
you know and finding your own style. I enjoyed it.
Dude, that's hype. I love to hear it. I love to hear the other interests like that.
Boom. Congratulations on this game two when looking forward to more mouse action in
a group stage two. And we'll let you go for right now.
Thank you. See you guys later.
See you guys later.
Yeah.
For a mouse, that's it for Group B, and that's kind of it for the official games in our group stage at Dream League Season 28.
I say official games because there's still a tiebreaker, but let me show you where our standings lie,
as we have now finished every single scheduled match in our Group Stage 1.
Aurora Gaming, Party Vision, and Team Liquid made it through to Group Stage 2 in a Group A,
but unfortunately we have to say goodbye to Yandex, Pain Gaming, and Yakult Brothers.
Meanwhile, Group B had Tundra, Maus, Falcons, and Extreme all make it through.
Now you see, Falcons don't have their full 14 games finished because they're still playing
out for 105 potential points.
Unfortunately though, Na'Vi, Team Spirit, Gamer Legion, and Execration are eliminated
after the conclusion of this group stage.
But you see, two teams are not fully colored in.
Aiden, why is that the case?
That's because Beth Boom and OG are gonna have a best of three series to decide who's
gonna make it to the next round of group stages.
Let's go!
That's right, you saw the best of two or the two game series earlier today and now OG
need to win another two games, Nailbiter, to survive for actually quite a few points
probably because if you win this, then you get in the top eight and top eight's
a lot of points.
I'm wondering if boom's a fan of Luke Littler. Who's the UK player? Yeah, he's like 16 17
He's already winning stuff. He's like the new phenom in Darts. I so the clip that I was referring to there was some moment where
Some lady recently won and people were like totally surprised and she had like a cool style and everything
They've all got their own style of throwing but also they've all got their own walk on. Oh, so you've got your own music
you're a star when you walk on some of them,
a bit much some of them are like just walk up
and pick up the dust.
So it's like wrestling?
It's like kind of a wrestling vibe.
Everybody in the arena,
if you have it at Alexander Palace in London
or wherever you have it, great atmosphere,
lots of drink and people getting crazy.
Wow.
It's a good night.
Go to the dust if you can.
Aiden, if you could do walk-ins in Dota,
would you have had a song that comes to mind
that you would like to walk out to?
I feel like we might have done this
at some tournament at some point.
There has been some...
But not a song that you choose.
I feel like there is like a...
They'll play some...
I feel like Southeast Asia does this kind of stuff.
There has been some event where they asked us to pick a song that we walk on to as a team.
What would I personally choose?
The animator? The anime openings?
That's true. We did have that.
But that was like the tournament that picked them right?
That was your first event if you wouldn't?
I was.
So what would you go for?
I'm not sure.
Okay, you can pick a spot. Effie, what would you pick?
Well, I don't know if you guys know this, but a few years ago we had walk-ins at Dream League
and we all got to pick a song. And I picked, and the band learned it for me.
I picked Raining Blood by Slayer, but not-
SHUT UP!
I'm just so sorry for that.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Okay, yeah, that's my walk-in.
Let's stop here, though.
That was a good one.
Because then it gets too crazy and I want people to think I'm the heal,
the Kyle, you know?
But I just wanted the cool stuff to do.
Just the aura.
Yeah, yeah, I feel you I would I would copy Mike Tyson
You had just a single note really yeah, just a
Imagine you're up to face him you've had your chin why can't we
You're walking out waving and then he comes bam. That's all you're
Terrifying yeah scary that's pretty banging though. He just comes out not see the fuck out and leads
I have one of those ukulele-y, sweet-sounding-com songs
because it feels as though he works well with everybody.
Aw, that's very sweet.
It's very sweet.
I just feel like...
Ukulele-y? So I'm like, somewhere...
What is it?
Somewhere over the rainbow.
Somewhere over the rainbow?
Yeah.
There's a good one.
I couldn't meet you to find my chart.
I would want Dragon Force too far in the flames.
That's a good one too.
We would be competing then.
We would be competing.
Yeah, we would be competing.
Okay.
But my song is technically harder than yours on the guitar.
In what way? Oh, in guitar hero. That's true, but I feel like...
That is the measure.
But did you know that guitarist?
That is the measure.
Did you know that guitarist of that song can't even recreate that song if he were to play it live?
What do you mean?
Yeah.
What do you mean?
Too hard?
Like the licks and whatnot?
That you don't really get to...
Oh, you mean guitar hero couldn't?
No, the guitarist himself could not play that iteration again.
Why?
That's just how the guitar works.
What are you saying?
You're saying that the recording of that song...
The only proper version.
...they cannot do it again.
He himself said that he cannot recreate that song in its entirety because all the things that you do in solos often cannot be perfectly replicated in the really long ones.
That's what he said. I'm not a musical expert. I just followed him because he was streaming on Twitch.
I mean, if he said he couldn't do it now because he's too old, I'd get that.
But it sounds a bit like when people say you couldn't build the pyramids nowadays. We don't know the technology.
So you think he's over back?
Don't shoot the messenger. I just followed him and I watched his stream a few times.
I'll contact him, don't tell him that.
I don't know.
With the conclusion of our group stage one, and that also means that we can take a look
at all the predictions that we've made over the past few days.
Don't do that.
Oh, God.
Don't do that.
That's enough.
These were the ideas that people had.
Now, Ted, you and I, you and I were aligned.
We got a draw for the second one.
What happened in the first one I can't remember it was OG getting a two-oh well hell yeah, brother hell yeah
Lock that shit in and show us the leaderboarder right now
Should be alphabetical yeah, I should be above I should be in first place that is technically true
NLP, QRST, and why put Neil on top there and then why put, so it doesn't make sense.
I can tell you how the power ranking happened.
I can also tell you how your microaggressions occurred, F.A.
Okay.
It's because things were sorted in terms of hosts first, then co-hosts, then analysts,
then casters.
At least I'm above someone.
That's how they maintain this.
I was tied with certain analysts.
Yes.
I don't know how the sorting occurred between the analysts, but that's why me and Ted have a difference
You know what? Avery's been the champion every single day except today
But he was still in the top. He's still tied for first. But no, he's no longer the reigning champion
He's not the reigning champion. He has been dethroned because I get host priority and the ties are broken by me
but that's only the ties in our analyst competitions in terms of
tie-dying competitions
You gotta break those ties at home, because we have a showcase somewhere.
There it is.
Are we doing it again?
Oh no, we're just hanging them up.
We chose the five shirts that make it to the final round of voting.
Well, we let the community do the voting.
If you look on your screens right now, friends in Twitch chat, and if you're watching on
a different platform, go to Twitch so you can contribute, you get to choose which
Which of these...
...Mastikered tie-dye shirts are your favorite?
Would be...
...Shivers!
The avant-garde Counter-Strike logo...
That is very shock test.
...is an interpretation.
It's beautiful.
Pay no attention to the fact that they're all pink.
We did not mean for that to happen.
They used to be more vibrant.
That's Shivers!
Next up, we've got...
...Purge!
Ted, what am I looking at here?
Uh, it looks like a tie-dye t-shirt to me.
shirt to me. Yeah, it does. A nice little bullseye? Yeah, something like that. He went
for the bullseye technique. I like it. I like it. Tell me on my shirt. Oh, I know. This
one got a lot of votes unintentionally. We tried to ridicule me, Ted, and somehow I ended
up topping the shirts. It's dreadful. Thank you. Oh, it wasn't dreadful until, like,
before it got a lot. I know. That's the thing. If you had a dark blue, it's clearly
one of the ones in blue on it. Well you know what we went for lots of bright colors. We should have
gone for the blacks, grays and browns because they might have actually stuck to the t-shirts.
How did we know that this is what they would become? Well look at my great bullseye pattern.
This was after me. Check it out. It's too late now.
Let me off-center bullseye pattern the classic of the Tai-Dai-Jean.
I see the stiment. Oh if I do it like this, if I tilt it a little bit you get some more
color. Yeah the bottom had like a nice little yeah it's jazzy corners. A nice little
There was a blinding going on, but I did use a lot of light yellow, a lot of light green,
and unfortunately, it has disappeared, but I will tell you guys that it was great before,
and if that counts for anything, then cool.
Cool.
I do think it's funny we've had a tie-dye t-shirt contest in a disco themed event, because
tie-dye and disco, they do not mix.
So there's more 60s style.
Oh.
Perium, this is yours.
Yeah.
Check it out.
Yeah.
It was better at one point.
Who voted for these to be the top five?
I'm sorry, but like what what is how are these the top five?
69 so I feel like whoever was like bottom two probably did a better job than this
I don't know this is name rhyme with finna same yeah
Maybe maybe not anyway inadvertently. I guess we ended up choosing a lot of
Morningship people purge and shiver. Oh surprise
Oh, the night show.
I mean, Sheba's is really, clearly the best one.
I feel like Kevin's is probably the best one.
If you are curious what they originally looked like
before the washing machine massacred all of them.
Look at my wicket quilts.
Check it out.
This is the story with Quinn Callahan,
a beautiful showcase of color, a bullseye pattern,
teardrop and a red and a yellow, gorgeous.
Yours looks like a really close up of a cool eye.
I was pretty happy with mine until...
A cool eye. There's a retina in there.
Yes, yeah. Look at it.
Look at it. Yeah.
A scolera.
Pyrrion!
Look at that! It's happy. It's friendly. It's fun.
It's a nice little rainbow.
Pleasant little archways.
Next up...
Oh, what's this?
It's minimalist.
What's this?
It's... don't say that. It's minimalist.
It looks like a dartboard.
It's minimalist.
I wish I had a dartboard to throw dots at a picture of that T-shirt.
That's... you guys are bullying me again.
I thought it was good!
Uh, not you, but him.
Me? I can see that even pre-washing the colors were not...
Yeah, vibrates though.
Thank you.
Lesson learned.
Sheavers?
Lot of dark colors.
That's why they survived the wash.
That's why she specifically requested we put it all on the washing machine
because she knew she'd survived the collay.
Clever.
That's true! It was her idea!
Yeah, sabotage.
Jenkins had a little polka dot pattern.
That's cute.
Yep.
I like it.
I like hide-dye.
Look at Cavs, that's pretty wild actually.
That's actually very well done.
The full red bullseye spiral.
He is Jay-Z's dreadful.
Let's move on from that one.
I mean, looking at it like this,
I feel like Quinn, Mira and Purges are like by far the best.
Yeah.
But Sheever cannot rig the competition.
Yeah, she rigged it.
Yeah, like into the top.
She rigged it.
Yeah, that's why Sheever's the best of us,
because she understands how things work.
She cheats like a Canadian curler.
I mean, does it really matter
How well you did
To give me a static shot, why'd you do that? Sorry, I do something wrong. Did I anger you? I'll start push you like a curling
So, okay, you actually give me a thought you'd set up and charge yourself up to zap me. I'm charged up
I'm charged up to watch them tiebreaker. Dota is what I'm charged up to watch
That boom team of versus og friends best of three winner takes all
all all being the final spot in Dream League season 28 group stage two. You don't want to
miss it. Stick around everyone and we'll be back with that best of three after the break.
I've been there time, feeling lonely
But that's the way that I am, with the one I'm sure I love
Let's be one and real, I'll make it by one time
I know it feels the way it's to do
What if I know it's a big change of
It's a little like a change to me
It takes a lot of changes
Waiting to fall for you tonight
Baby, baby, baby
Let it be you
They say it's so hard to find
It's so much special
No one can spell it around
If I were them, I'd spell it out
I'm a baby, baby, baby
I'm a baby, baby
I want you
Boy
I'm done with this baby
This is too deep
I know
I'm not a baby
Music
Touch me up
Watch me dance in it
Feel the blow
Dance and move it high
Touch me up
Watch me dance in it
Feel the blow
Dance and feel alive
Don't you think you're good on it, don't you think you're good on it?
When music comes, you do the music comes, you won't know
Don't you think you're good on it, don't you think you're good on it?
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of the dye dye dye and there were some lies being spread because I heard that I was the one that sabotaged everything
That's not true. It's not only if production can't read instructions or if they don't know how to do laundry
That's what happened. That's literally what happened both happened or just one both actually
I did say you got to watch them one at a time. Okay, so by you have to watch them by itself
which
Did not happen. That was air number one and then
You should both watch the hot water in the turgents.
Beaver.
And then they said, so I got told,
we put them in the washing machine for a 30-minute program.
And then when we came back two hours later, it was still going.
That smell on me.
I believe that salacious claims have been made against you
and therefore our house as the evening crew.
As a native English speaker, can you define salacious, please?
Salacious means?
Bullshit, Brian. Okay. I don't mean that to be fair. Just
Don't use that word like that it's like I don't know it's like sexually in like
Being the Lord of coin it's like
I challenged tsunami to a trial by combat.
Be sexually inappropriate.
Under the rules of this kingdom, he cannot decline a trial by combat.
But as a small man, he can select his fighter.
I will select we will select our fighter. I'm sure I'm as the king's guard. I'm challenging him on your behalf
Who's the king?
No, you're the Khaleesi. You're the mother the mother doesn't have a king's guard. Yes, she does
Who's your fighter what can I do for you chicken who's your fighter choose your fighter?
Okay, let's try all by combat here we go let's play some fight music
Give him the left hook, Neil.
Where's that person?
We need to find the music.
Oh my god, I wish we had the camera here.
3, 2, 1, 2, 3.
1, 2, 3.
I'm right here.
Ah!
This guy's good.
Wow.
You're making those challenges. The gods have decided.
The gods have decided that you've rigged the challenges.
What?
You can challenge him to a Trawl icon, but if you want, we can give them the points.
He has the gold of rock, paper, scissors.
That was unbeatable.
That was actually bullshit, dude. Like, I read the script.
Do you want to give them points? Because of it?
We can give them points here.
What are you doing?
Stop doing it.
Give points.
Here, tsunami.
Is that what that does?
I thought so, I was pressing the red button.
I've been doing something.
What does your button do?
Huh?
Try to, try your button.
I don't have my button.
What?
My iPad's out of battery.
That's what his button does.
Did the button turn the iPad off?
Was that actually my button?
No.
Oh.
If I clicked a button and it probably wouldn't have done it right,
right when it happened, I clicked a button.
That's why I thought I might have done it.
Alright, let's, let's, let's...
What place is this?
That's his delicious place I can never find.
Let's move on with the order of the day.
We have a series of those due to talk about it because tiebreakers, OG, Bed Boom, they
already played earlier today.
It was a 2-0 in favor of OG.
That's why we're in this situation.
They have the same score because of it, and they're going to play best of three.
I will tell you guys right now.
It's just three minutes until we'll have the draft about ready.
So I just need to know how you guys are feeling about this one, and if we
have any clear favorites, because I feel like we've seen both teams have a great
day by going 4-0 and we have also seen both teams have terrible days by going 0-4 and
I want to know what kind of headspace teams are we thinking Brian.
I mean I was pretty, coming to today's series I predicted OG getting 2-0 because they were
looking, looking fresh not like Quinn.
Quinn was looking fresh.
I didn't think you were lying.
I'm so confused.
I'm really lost in what's going on over here as well.
What is going on?
I'm sorry.
We need a USB-C charger. We do have a power plug.
Oh! Do you think these pedals have USB-C plugs?
Because then I can just plug it in.
Oh no, that's probably not going to power.
Why she's our Fulisi. That's very smart.
That's a very smart thing.
Do you think that goes to power?
Uh, probably.
It's got to, right?
It goes to a computer first that normally has a PSU in it too, internally.
I do think, I do think Salacious claims have been made against Betboom
given that they lost 2.0 to OG.
Uh-huh.
Which by the way, salacious can also mean scandalous, juicy, or indecent.
It doesn't have to always be sexual.
You're just a very sexual guy, so, uh, which I respect, as a Canadian.
How would you describe the words scandalous and juicy?
Scandalous is not always sexual.
What about juicy in combination with?
Well, an apple is juicy.
I don't know.
You're looking at an apple.
Have you ever seen a, have you ever seen a scandalous apple, Jenkins?
I've seen a juicy apple.
Yeah.
Me too.
In fact, all the apples here in Sweden are very juicy.
Yeah.
They have cosmic crisp.
Anyway, I was talking about this morning, the best apple.
By far, Italian made.
Oh yeah, extremely good engineering, yeah.
On vocabulary.com it says something salacious is full of juicy details, but they're kind
of raunchy, lusty, dirty details you probably don't want to hear, Jenkins.
I don't want to hear when somebody's making claims.
Anyway, that's besides the point.
I would like to talk about the series.
There's been a lot of salacious claims made against Betfum users so far.
I feel like people are forgetting, they're forgetting who Betfum are.
This is a team that for the last two years has gotten like at least top six at every single event and don't get me wrong
I think OG is a wonderful fantastic team. We saw them 2-0 earlier today
They're like the newest team I would say in the in the tier 1 CSEA though to bring them back to life
Love this team, but that boom is like
Other than maybe tundra like a theme or liquid as well in the conversation
This is one of the most consistent teams in life. Well, if they're consistent
They should be losing this upcoming series because previous Dreamleague, they came 9th to 16th.
Consistency would mean dropping out right here.
I also think...
I feel like they're washed. I'll be honest.
I feel like...
Kira made a lot of sense for this team.
I don't think Kira makes much sense.
I feel like they're weird. They haven't found their style.
They look super out of place. The games they win, it feels like they win off of individual skill, not being a team.
Like, I don't think these guys have very much cohesion at all.
I feel like they're just five high-skilled dudes who have no idea how to make it work with each other.
Like, the games they lose, they just look like a mess.
Which is crazy, because if we think not previous Dream League, but the Dream League before that, which was even, like, that's almost a year ago, right?
They were playing with Kiritich in a hot period. It wasn't there. Either he was benched, or whatever reason, he was not there.
Kiritich was playing with them, but they did very well.
They got second.
They got second!
So why? Where did that cohesion go?
I feel like there's like some magic with standing sometimes where if they were actually on your team
It would be worse than them standing in because there's no pressure
I think a lot of these teams especially like I think that one was a lot of fans
They have a lot of people like sort of riding on them looking at the results and that pressure
I think affects a lot of teams whereas if you have a stand it's like I have no pressure
It's all vibes. Oh good if we lose nobody's fault, but they've now that is actually on the team
I think there's there's more riding there and so there's more there's more like chokey tendencies
Have a theory that pertains to that. Yeah, if when you talk about like the pressure
Could it also be like you know how like if you know somebody not so well
But they do something kind of weird and you might bring it up to like your friend or a family member
But you're like it's not really worth talking about it cuz I'm not gonna see them again
Yeah, anyways, is that kind of similar with like a stand-in where if there's like a problem in the area
I mean, yeah, I mean that's also true. I think with new teams
It's why new teams I think tend to do like better while you have honeymoon periods
Cuz like you just look over all the annoying crap people do but as a team goes longer and longer that stuff starts to build up and this guy
He chooses his mouth open
He choose gum the entire game
That is half of that boob team that could be fair
With their mouth open. He's such a gum cheerer dude that guy's always got gum in his mouth
They wear a nose breather saying that they have on that. Yeah, you just hear the whistle. Yeah
You need to wear a nasal strip GPK
Well, we'll see what they do in the draft, and if OG will get an edge, not just apparently
in the way my panel thinks about them, but also in the draft.
We've got Largo opening pick coming out for OG with a Tusk response coming out for Bedboom.
I believe...
Is this the first time OG picks Largo?
They've won with it today.
Oh, I said it.
I didn't catch it.
36-minute match as well, so it was a quick one.
Can I just say that before today's series, OG won all the games day one, and the
The only other game they'd won this group stage was a default loss by Payne.
Really?
So they had effectively lost seven games in a row without winning a game in the last three
days.
But did Payne not show up to one of their games?
Yeah, it was after they got rid of it.
It was after the Parker thing.
It was after the Parker thing and they didn't show up.
So that has been their only win before today.
Uh-huh.
Other than day one.
Yeah, other than day one.
I'm just, yeah, basically the whole week.
And somehow Betboom has managed to have 1980s camera quality.
I know they're in Serbia, bro.
Like, I'm just seeing them on the streets.
This series is interesting to me because I feel like I also, when I think of OG, I think
this team crumbles a little bit under pressure.
We've seen it in some tournaments.
When it comes to the big series, when it comes to this start getting into that top
six and the bigger matches start happening, I feel like this team crumbles and if
they play significantly worse, I think especially Jopaj and Niko, I think have been impacted
the pressure the most from what I've seen. They have really uncharacteristic deaths, silly
mistakes. And so this is a series that matters. And whenever it comes down to down to the nitty-gritty,
I think I prefer Betboom just in a vacuum. Even though I think they're a worse like team
in terms of cohesion, I think they're much more clutched in.
They've done it so much.
Yeah, exactly. They've been like top four at TI, right? All their players are great.
Like you said, historic players.
You've told me a few nuggets over the years when one that stuck with me, I think
It was one of those situations where I told you it stuck with me and you're like you didn't even remember saying it
You're like that sounds like something I would say everything he says through the affair
John Nuggets
Something he told me at one point was that the most important thing to develop as a Dota player is your force
Your skill floor. I always thought of that as like how do I expand my skills ceiling when you talked about?
What defines the best teams are what they're like on a day where they didn't get sleep where they are at
They're absolutely worse. They're hungry. Like what do you play like when you have nothing going for you?
And that's effectively your skill floor. That's what you said to me at one point. And you think that the way people should practice
Maybe you don't think anymore
But the way you said back then was that you think people should practice in a way that raises that
Not what like makes you rise to the occasion and I was just saying I feel it
I just feel like that's something that happens in these theories
Like you end up playing closer to your floor than your ceiling for sure
I mean I don't remember I remember so I don't understand if I remember you telling me I said it
Maybe I just dreamt it one day, and I was like
Yeah, that you've been into my mind and you were like the sage in my dream
You know that just bestowed this wisdom upon me Brian your subconscious might be like the best dough to analyst
When you start to
Conscious I just take credit for it. It doesn't remember Tony put this guy to sleep and then get it
The queen in your head is smarter than the guy there
Man, if we combine real Quinn with my dream Quinn, that'd just be...
Nah, that's too much.
Honestly, he's got too many Quinn's with three of us, one is more than enough.
Why did we get chips?
We got ourselves...
Well, it's like a close second to popcorn.
So we can...
Oh!
That's nice.
Or we can create really loud chewing noises to, you know, inspire the bedroom effects
potential.
None of the pastures?
What?
what we're gonna chew for it's like 30 seconds left in the draft so we've got
four to five picks almost.
Drink your water. I'll just drink the water.
That's great advice Quinn.
We got Beastmaster Muerta coming out.
Sparkling water.
And Phoenix coming out for OG.
You know one thing that I still wanted to mention
is that both these teams obviously are equal in points so I figured why don't I just look at
how they did against the teams that are already qualified out of this group.
I will not be distracted and both teams went oh and two against Aurora and Paravision
But there is a difference where oh gee lost o2 to liquidation, but boom did get one win out of that
So based on that
That boom should be slightly higher even though they obviously just lost this morning to og was pretty close though game number two
It's pretty close one. I'm not gonna do that
I respect that I respect you to do it. Can we talk about the draft?
Yeah, I mean I honestly like you mentioned the Phoenix I think this hero we've seen it a lot and I feel like it's look bad almost every game
Like it's good against tusk
And there's some elements of it that are good against these master these heroes that run in they commit on one guy
You spirit you son rank you sort of counter initiate so I can kind of see why they pick it
But I feel like it has weird synergy with Largo and that they're very redundant
They're both sort of this yeah
We random little bits and pieces of damage so pipe also think tempo and also mobility are gonna be quite good against all three of
heroes. They don't have too much mobility, but I think in general when you pick too much slow over time,
pokey damage, it causes like weird effects later in the game because you sort of lack the ability
to actually burst people. If you look at the heroes, it's like shackle into, they're going to hurt you
a little bit. I guess I'm wondering as a carry player, if I see Tusk Lion, I really want my
support to pick like Ringmaster or Shadow Demon or some single target. Yeah, and Beast as well.
I just feel like as a win ranger, it's gonna be really hard
So like enter fights and deal damage, but we did see that one series where
Was it not me? Am I chewing? I think it was not V that had three cores that one always got bursted
And I did I just think that what's gonna happen for OG is they're gonna
They picked Largo long fights sustained people chase people and then they responded with lion
Which I think is all about how can we kill one guy really fast and I just don't feel like OG responded to that at all
Like they didn't I feel like when I see lion toss I would expect to save or something like a tie like anything any
Combo breaker whether it's a single target save or like an aoe like eggs not gonna come out fast enough
I feel like you're gonna see fights where Phoenix like swoops in because Phoenix can be a dissuading
Team fight element, but not when it comes to burst. That's what I'm a bit concerned about
Yeah, I think there's definitely there's definitely true to that
It they did they're not really responding to what that was doing per se like ember is also pretty bad against beast in lane
It's a matchup, you can actually get stomped, it's really hard.
And so I think this is kind of what OG does though, they don't really try to win lane so much, they kind of just pick their heroes and then they make moves.
And either the moves work or they don't, but I don't think this team really tries to counter pick you, they don't even really try to counter pick you that much.
They just kind of pick their stuff and then they play their Dota and then they either win or lose, they're quite an honest team I think.
think. What do you feel like? How do you feel about that sort of like? Is there a balance
in there that is optimal that they're not hitting? Or do you think that that is just
a playstyle preference that you don't think matters too much for the team?
They're a little too honest to say. I think it needs like a little dishonesty. It goes
a long way. It does. That's an alchemist. Yeah, I was... You know what Cinderance
says when there's an alchemist in the game? It's an alchemist game. It's an alchemist
games. What position is it? Offline Alk? It's almost certainly carrier. I guess it could be Alk.
Or offline Largo with windranger. I feel like it's for windranger. Maybe they got from
the Aussie tech where he's going to like, it's carry Alk and he's going to pull Largo
Ags first or some crap. That would be cool. That would be cool. If he takes the dividends
fast. I am here for it. You ask for dishonest. I mean that's just about as dishonest as
I think that's the mind-class crap. I will say I I remember the counter to alchemist support that one patch was just pick like doom
Because like all the network is concentrated on one guy
Yeah, so I feel like they do have a decent response to that sort of play like they have Beastmaster roar tusk and lion
So it's cool, but I hope I almost hope they don't do it like I feel like that's almost like we're completely ignoring what we see
but
It's dishonestly honest and an underlord coming out last so that means we got Beastmaster coming for the mid
It's crazy because that's the complete opposite of last where that hero was like winning every game
And somehow like this tournament everyone's figured it out a lot more
I mean, that's the funny thing about Dota is heroes sometimes they're objectively good or objectively bad
But oftentimes it's just have people caught up to it yet have people figured out what's good against it
What's not as the meta evolved enough and it's clearly evolved to a point where underlord is
It's not winning these global heroes like under lord and dawn breaker when they're not met up
There's like a week where you legitimately forget that there's an extra guy like pipe coming in every fight and a weird random
Fast as an alchemist five get nags
whoa
Alc5 that is
Really cool
Yes, this is very strange I also think Phoenix four is its worst role I hate I make stuff for Carrie
I hate Phoenix 4. I think it's super weird. And I also think it's like very slow, very bad at fighting plus you have Largo offline
Which is like we all know is only AFK farm hero. Yeah, so I think there's there's some weirdness there
I think there's a lot of burden on mid and safe lane from OG these lanes need to do well or they have some serious problems
Actually playing the game. I'd say I mean, I guess the the plus side is it is not to me
He's playing win ranger. Yeah, he defined the meta by being incredibly active on this hero going through portal things like that
But you need someone to play with. You do.
Alc, Alc, Winnerger sounds like a toxic lane to me.
You shackle them into acid, into chainstone.
They're getting shot by Winnerger with a bazillion damage in the last couple of times.
That lane sounds super annoying.
Okay, so is that what...
I do want to just get this out.
Is it even worth it to go for Axe on the Alchemist to feed it to the...
He's gonna go Axe.
I think he'll go Axe.
I actually think he's gonna go Axe.
I mean, if you want to get it before Largo gets Axe, he'll just refund it.
Yeah, yeah, I'm saying yeah, Largo can buy himself Axe.
Yeah, then you can get given the 4200. Yeah, and you can get Saundra Kaia. Yeah, I basically get an instant. You're giving him a Saundra Kaia.
Yeah, I think that's a pretty insane spike.
Well, it's cool, but it's so different from what we've seen OG do so far because they were all about the fast-paced games.
This is this is something maybe they're still gonna be fast games, you know,
but it is something very different and something that is always very different is our commentary duo.
Even though they do stay the same, they're always on their toes and always ready with other things and other buttons, other sound effects.
Do you guys have sound effects? That's fun!
That was the same. That was the same.
Come on, variation! I just liked it up!
There we go. Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
We didn't have any extra buttons for you. I could tap my stomach, I guess, but I don't think I've come up on mine.
But this is going to be quite the tiebreaker because as the panel talked about, Sindra, OG2O'd Betboom today?
Yep.
Can they do it again?
This is almost, it's not exactly, I know the math doesn't check that.
This is almost like a best of seven for OG, because they have to win four.
Yeah, true. They need to win four games out of five, I suppose, which is, you know, a pretty tough ask against a team like Betboom,
but they managed to do the first two of them, so that's not bad.
that even comes with the Astros they had to win the first two if they had drawn
this wouldn't even have happened so very important for them as often is the
case when teams play each other this many times in a day there's some
creativity we're seeing it here first blood already keratich the carry is
dead niko gets first blood on the liar gal the elk five something that we
We don't get to say very often.
This is my favorite role for Alchemist.
And when there's an Alchemist in the game and he's this role, it's not an Alchemist
game, actually.
It's only when he's a core, or especially when he's a carry.
It's an Aghanim game.
It's an Aghanim's game.
Now, facet-wise, he did go for different cards.
Are they going to go for it again?
No way.
Snowball's going to say it for the time being.
Oh, that is very awkward.
Oh, my.
Now it's double and pale.
Niko's gonna take a beating and that's Umi just TP's the hell out a really cool attempt though
I have to say oh gee
Just maybe a split second off because of that snowball. Tusk is so good against Alchemist and Lane
They're not gonna be laning against each other right now, but I'm assuming
that Tusk
Do you want to swap lanes with Lion? Probably not. Lion can also deal with this quite well
Whenever there's a concoction coming you can just stun the Windranger to mitigate damage
But yeah, so far so good
For I would say OG probably like if they if they can get off to stable lanes and run an elk 5
This hero is generally considered exceptionally greedy in the support role
So if you can float your lanes and maybe turn it into an axe like the panel talked about later
That could be good. I mean would you have preferred it as a 4?
I don't I think in classic OG fashion as of late
They will more or less insist on playing melee range and range melee lane
I think they always when they have a melee four or five that one lanes with that sumi and
The range one lanes with Nico they do it every game and it's just a matter of the scam or Tim's play the hero
They swap the heroes
And the lanes. Yeah, how can they swap the farm though?
Anyway scam actually is the form in a way
I don't even know how much OG think of their supports in terms of 4 and 5.
I think they think about how do we make our lanes make sense.
Let me ask you a different question. Is GPK getting some nice acts in the E.I.?
I'm going to be able to get their respective water runes though.
At what point, what's the threshold in time that Alchemist needs to get an axe for somebody for this to be worth it?
Eventually, Miero does get taken out by Natsumi in the top lane, it's just a matter of time.
This is what Quinn was talking about, this lane actually has a lot of kill power.
When you hit level 2 on Elk, with the Tangled on Windranger, she gets a lot of physical damage,
you put the minus armor down.
Go onto Niko here, I don't think this is going to end in a kill.
It's going to turn to a double fire spirit.
Pressure low.
When does he need to get one?
I don't think there's that much pressure on him time-wise.
Like in this patch, I think as long as you enable your lanes and your cores are happy,
more or less anything goes as a support.
So it's not like in a hurry.
Okay, let me ask you a different question.
If he didn't go ags for somebody, then how would you feel?
Castle home, you're getting surrounded, good snowballed out to the other side, you safe.
Uh, I wouldn't mind it if you had a...
Why are your answers so awful?
Okay, well, you're just asking better questions then.
You know who you're talking to.
I like ags.
Yes, there you go.
I'm an axe man, if you will.
Yes, well, that's half the population I assume.
Well, here's the thing. If he goes axe, I think a better discussion here is, if he does go axe, who does he give it to?
The panel was helping on giving it to Largo. I would rather give it to Ember.
Ember, 100%.
I think let that guy pop off, give Yopaj a god game, and he's gonna deliver.
I think Largo is still gonna hit a meaningful item timing, but getting it on Ember is insane to gift it this for free.
It's... I still think it's the best axe in the entire game.
It genuinely is.
Yeah, we've had this conversation before, and I think we ended up more or less settling on it being good.
I mean, Largo is a very tempo-based though, so it is.
Maybe it just depends on the game.
Yeah, you're right. Like, let's say Alc has an outstanding game, he gets it super early,
maybe you give it to Largo and hit an insane early timing, and things go a little bit worse,
maybe you give it to the Emperor and play the later timing.
That's a nice option to have, good hex, but the concoction will slow him.
And the right push from that sumi will start stacking up a bit.
Skennow is the one that has to run away.
Now if he doesn't go axe on Skennow, what's good?
Because what you would usually see in the past, he is going to suicide, or throw it.
That's his choice.
Eww, yeah. That's the safest one.
Well, the few heroes in Dota that can still do this.
Um, I'm thinking usually what I would lean to on support Alph, if I'm not going axe, would be Solarcrest.
But I don't think it's that good this game to put on Windranger, she doesn't benefit that much from the attack speed, the physical barrier is nice, but...
Glimmer Cape, I think you don't have mana to use it that effectively unless you get a mana item first, like Soul Ring or Arcane, so that's also going to be pretty late.
So...
Drums? Maybe? Could be a thing?
Or it just goes Brown Boots Axe.
He's carrying out phase boots right now, I don't know about that one.
This is going to be a gang attack in the middle lane, concoction for GPK, and he is Dunzo.
Nice move.
Skim actually gets that with the acid spray.
Watch this quick by change now, Tags.
Put that kill.
Nope.
He bought something though.
What did he buy?
He bought Windlace, the mini boots.
Wow.
Incredible display.
Needs that movement speed so he can reach his targets and not explode on himself.
Alright, I need to beta test some new buttons we have. Let's see what we got here.
Okay, that one's from a few seasons ago.
That's good. That's like, uh...
That's the third one in case you forgot.
Something like 90s hip-hop about the OG one. I like that.
I'm getting Snoop Dogg lives from this. Just listen to the beat.
That's Snoop Dogg.
Yep, that's right, Senator.
And I love Snoop Dogg music from the 90s.
Just to be a little bit more specific.
Yeah, probably the best.
Yeah.
So because it's a support out, the network is actually
going to be accurate, I would assume.
Yeah, pretty much.
There's very little inflation with the zero in the support
roll, currently sitting on five CS on scan.
Clearly not making it a priority for him to acquire more net worth. He's not making stacks
Dang, he's gonna roam over try to get this wisdom. Yeah, he's just be lining it right now
There's a TP coming as well
So I think oh gee are gonna be a bit out now rather than that soon means here as well
Get off the shackle one for the kill on the cat to only getting healed a bit those the focus fire
No, it is on to me arrow. So that's to me and need to both get their respective shrines
So great job from OG and they also get the kill on Miero.
Double wisdom plus a kill.
I feel like I don't think there's a good excuse for Peace Pass not being there to be honest.
To put it bluntly, if you're playing a mid hero that offers something at level 6, you're
there.
I don't think whatever GPK did in the jungle was worth it.
And I think you had enough mana, you had 9-1 charges and a bottle.
Again, this would be a crippling death for Miero, but the
Kassadin ends up going off the line, not the intended target.
Kat to Omi walks off the majority of the team, but still is
Yopajie to worry about.
Snowball is a quick one.
Last slide if this does the job, but at the very least,
they saved the Underlord's life.
Let's see what it had to make with the Walk of Shame.
The shield ruined there.
It's going to be denied.
GPK though doesn't get the damage to finish off.
Oh, the bird!
Yes!
The last shot from the boar.
That's a good boar.
A bit of a stretch calling this a boar, I would argue, but...
Whatever works in Valhulah, it's like a dinosaur.
Free man.
Potential move down here, looking for an opening on Niko.
Looks unsuspecting, so he's probably...
Abrams right in there, in pale. Shards on the side.
It gets put back into the calling. Easy pick-off for Curetition Company.
One K lead now for the side of Betboom.
So they're both looking fine, but losing the Wisdoms is coming into this.
What were you expecting for this best of three?
I mean, it's hard to go against OG considering they just beat them 2-0 today, right?
But at the same time, the losing team generally learns the most from a break.
That's right.
Having time to collect yourselves.
So I would say I'm kind of leaning to one Betboom if I had to choose, but
close it is I think it will go three games as concoction stem he's gonna
dive you forehand oh wait oh he does not deny himself that was really close
save gets the finishing blow you know Podge in the midst of many a hero not
afraid apparently because Largo's there with his song level six now for Nico
you're just getting slow perpetually by this bore dinosaur hybrid so does that
make the other thing a
it's a dinosaur
it's not a lizard
this is a
it's less than a dinosaur
just more just
general lizard I feel like
it's more modern
you know
modern
it's a modern animal
I'm more modern animal
than the old school boar
yeah
the OGs dinosaurs
you know
yep
Minua Miero
wearing the great Dota Cinema
Underlord sets in there
the Grim Reaper
as we call it
that's not what it's called though
Yeah, Valve changes the name for the worst, usually.
Do you remember what it's actually called in the game?
In the game now, absolutely.
That's good, because it's your set.
I don't think they've ever kept any names that we suggested.
It's called Ravinous Abyss.
I think one time it called one Horse Deluxe.
They didn't keep that either for some reason.
Wow, that is really truly shocking to find out.
And then they stole the idea, though, and made Horse Deluxe for the last patch with the courier.
That's right.
Outfit.
Very polarizing.
Not really.
I don't think I've heard anyone say it's okay.
People either love it or think it's awful.
That's true, but the people that hate it are...
Direct opposite camps.
Heritage, getting surrounded.
Sunray from Timbs, from below.
The calling doesn't quite reach him, but save his litter, help out onto Yopaj.
They get the hex, gets licked, but now the roar on top, Yopaj dead to right.
He's gonna go off, but not gonna hit anybody that refreshes the spells for Timbs.
It's like OG just wanna reset completely, though.
Nierro started TP scrolling in instead of gating and cancelled.
I wonder why he wasn't eager to connect on that play immediately with his team.
In terms of one for one exchange, pretty even. Top net worth is the Muerta, but slowing down Ember holds some immediate value in the game,
because with him on the sidelines the rest of the map feels very safe.
He's going to out farm ember at this rate, OG moves.
Not once he gets that axe.
What's Alkewing up?
He's still working on phase boots, so, skim.
I am surprised they're not going for more stacks.
Yeah.
Okay, here we go.
This is a stack for alchemists under a single stamp.
Let's look at it from the perspective of what alternative options you have.
Some plays other melee fives, so you have to see something in the alch specifically to
justify picking it over say something like clockwork.
Well you do have, I mean look at all the aggs on OG, like all of them.
Yeah, but if that was the mindset, he's not playing that way, right?
He's not playing like that was part of the strategy.
If you're not making any stacks and not putting any effort into ingrained, maybe
you are active at first and now you start farming.
Okay, I mean sure, if this is early enough, then it's all good.
We are right, if you have to play Acton for 12 minutes and then start stacking, but a
lot of the time we see support players make stacks minute 5, 6, 7, then roam.
And then the stacks get farmed by someone else and you get the shared bonus.
This will be a decent time to axe for Chief to kick.
I'm gonna have a nice stack there.
See the top of the network chart, and that's a little bit out of... looking great
with that build.
of the Lord is hand-in-hand with Mr. Frogman.
Alright, he has enough for Phasemus.
Is he gonna change his mind?
1150.
Yeah, that's the thing he hasn't bought them yet.
It's like, huh, maybe I go Radiance now.
Oh, yeah.
He keeps spending gold on little things.
Well, he's buying Clarence.
I'm buying little things.
Nico, gonna get Smoke Ganged.
Singing his song, though.
Fiend's Gate's coming for him as well.
Good night.
Block in.
Could not ask for better shards.
This will be another easy pick-off for the Bat Boom team.
And in some parts of the world, some sorts of toads and frogs
actually considered an invasive species.
So Bat Boom just doing their duty.
Because they're, what do they do to the nature?
I remember watching that classification.
I feel like I watched a video about Australia
where they were like driving over frogs on the road
because they were an invasive species, some sort of toads
just popping them. I think. I could be wrong though. As the observer showed, while you were
uselessly talking about some garbage, it's going to be St. Chaya first for Largo, which
would indicate that Agz, which is now being built by the way, will be for the Largo.
I mean, I'm not saying this is wrong at all. I do think Ember Agz is better than
Largo, but maybe it's more important for Largo to have it, but then like the panel
said you can just refund them anyway later so it's an interesting theory
craft like I don't think there's a right answer necessarily yeah I agree with that
I think it depends what your overall goal is for that moment in the game if
you're giving it to Largo you're trying to play a very team fight centric
strong timing if you're giving it to Ember you're thinking maybe more of like
the scaling part of that potentially it's obviously great on Largo for late
into I've talked to death how strong this hero is when he gets three four
items so it's definitely not bad you'll push we'll find save and yes he is not
deleted it soon enough step by step we burn that line on burn them get rid of
them get on the saber there's the X how good is Alc shard this game for his
team. What was that? It's just you pointing. That's me. Really strong acting skills.
What are you looking up on Google?
The cane toad in Australia is regarded as an exemplary case of an invasive species.
Because? Australia's relative isolation prior to European colonization and the industrial
revolution, both of which dramatically increased traffic and import of novel species, allowed
development of a complex interdependent system of ecology, but one which provided no natural
predators for many of the species subsequently introduced. So they just keep spreading everywhere
and nothing is keeping them down. So if you don't call them, they're literally going to be
toads everywhere. Yeah, what's the problem with that? That sounds awesome. Yeah, well, that's a...
Australia do not like their cane toads that much. Largo, however, is safe because he does not
not look like the cane toads at all.
He doesn't sound like one either.
Nope, he sounds like a human being which is a...
interesting way of voice acting that hero.
Anyway, Yopaj, not gonna get the Roar!
Not gonna get the Roar!
Getting canceled constantly gets licked, gets concocted, gets killed!
Nice pick-off from OG, great layering.
That's a pick, that's good.
Oh, get the tower too, so this is a nice and successful move.
Oh, never mind!
the singular bore lizard dinosaur is a dinosaur yeah we'll take care of the
tower
fun fact uh... borers are actually an invasive species
i think you're an invasive species if you go getting snowball beans gate right on
top of them
and with one kid analysis should be his doom
not even needed actually got more
for that camp easy peasy
so the status quo remains top two
for that boom here with the net worth
that's probably not gonna shift for a little while
but Largo is going to get a big boost eventually
if he were to get an axe he would be top net worth
and skim is two thirds of the way all of a sudden
so we were unsure about his farming speed
but he has full on committed now
I mean, you were, let's not put a we in there
okay
I had faith all along
you sounded like you were in agreement with what I said
but maybe that's just like autopilot by now
You know I picked OG to go 1-1 today
Yup
Because I knew I wouldn't be correct no matter what I chose
So you're welcome, OG champs
What?
That's like
I would curse them
Okay
And now they're
Rewarding me with an out game
With gifted acts
It's just the dream come true
This is almost gonna give it to them too, that's crazy
Yup
The one time the core is more than happy to help the support farm Nika was like
you're basically giving me gold so you're we're farming together what if he
just eats the axe by accident oh I would love that what do you think they would
do keep playing and then talk about in the post game how those are very dumb
mistakes to make it's one of those things where if that were to happen you
just go next if you lose like you can't you're just like you're messed
He eats his axe. All right, GG guys. Let's type it. That's it. I'm a useless hero.
It's extra bad when Largo has built in a way where he trusts that he guesses. If he was buying his own axe, then you could at least continue your build.
The fact that he's getting axe before he really finishes a main item at all. Kind of crazy. He only has same.
Yeah, he looks extremely underprivileged.
I thought he would have an item and a half by the time he got agged.
Yeah. Well, Scam is farming some of the camps that Offlane Largo wants to.
Let's see if he misclicked. Oh, he hit him.
Look at that fat frog!
Ready to be popped.
Alright, two songs at a time, save.
Not sure if they're gonna see this.
Another fiends gate reserve for the frog,
but more OG reinforcements have arrived.
Inside the shark leak was in a lot of trouble.
So I'm trying to heal him up, but he is dead to rights, and on that zoom he's stuck inside the pit, dies as well.
So just like that, it's two kills for the Bed Boon side. They do lose their Underlord.
Attempts to chase Yopah. I'm not sure if he has any remnants up, but they might have to stunlock.
They get the axe. Another kill for Bed Boon.
They even bought just in time for him to instantly die as the first hero and be worth more gold.
Yeah, that was unfortunate.
Not great for the side of Og.
But the Og do get a...
Dude, I just want to listen to the backing track with no vocals on that.
It takes me back. It's a simpler time.
We just need the replay here.
So, for a moment there, I thought Largo was going to start ramping up his Grooven,
but didn't quite get there in time.
It's just caught in a really awkward predicament there. The setup is complete.
Obviously, what you do, the price you pay here is when you play a 5-out and you give away axe, your hero is trash.
You are giving everything you have over to another hero, so you are the worst hero in the game by far.
So if the guy you give the axe to is the initiated on hero and gets killed, effectively the follow-up fight is kind of 3v5.
Plus, you feel bad about it because you gifted that guy the axe.
Yeah, what are you even doing this your whole time?
I think I'm gonna ask for a refund.
That would be funny.
I don't want this.
Alright, now for the Alk.
Does he build more Ags?
Because like we said, Ember has the best Ags in the game.
Phoenix and Windrunner both have excellent Ags.
Yeah.
This is a really good lineup for that.
He's carrying up Arcane boots now.
The classic build up of Ag's into arcane's, as the observers are pointing out, he did
start with seed money so no dividends for skim.
Which one's dividends again?
The one that gives you more GPM, the more Ag's you give, it is probably considering
how much Valve have done to combat griefing in this game with like removing dumb stuff
that you grief your teammates with, the fact that that facet is in the game, that's
a swing and a miss for me.
going dividends on Alc and just jungling thinking I'm going to give everyone eggs and then I'm
going to get six spotted.
It's not on, man.
Yeah, once you find out that it doesn't work that way, then it's fine.
Yeah, but then people are like, I just got unlucky and then they try again.
Oh, I see.
So they're just stubborn.
Yeah.
Five K lead.
You're made lead.
That's never your fault.
I mean, that's just six K lead as you were talking.
Looking healthy now for the side of that boom.
Just that one fight on bottom gave them so damn much.
And the tormentor of course could do it.
Did OG overcook this game, Cinder?
I hope not, because I want to see more of this.
This is what the panel was talking about a little bit.
It was OG, perhaps, choking a little bit when it matters most.
But you could say that for the series earlier, they had mattered equally much.
They had to win both games, so they were out.
Yeah, both were pressure games.
They did well in that pressure series, but now it's the final, now it's the
home stretch and you got to show you have that
plus like to talk to them there was a bit of a break in between
had to have plenty of time to decipher how they just got destroyed
oh gee had enough time to over cook
if the break was shorter
they might not have come up with this
yeah this is a very novel strategy you have to go to a sir action slacks
youtube video to figure that one
yeah that's not great
that means you're truly devolving
well in action slacks fashion he did look to work the boots now
on alchemist
so that's good
that's number one of six
so where's the net worth
lead really sitting here it is
mainly on the supports which makes sense alchohol before
the fact that
ember is three k behind these
and windranger is three k behind
the morissa is not exactly a good look
right now for og and they're going to be forced to fight for this road
So, Betboom have had some awkward engagements around this in the earlier series today, featuring
the Roshan area and the general high ground, but looks like they're on time and you get
it.
So Betboom claim it, OG has such a good team at contesting that Roshan feels like at least
on paper, but did not do so.
So Aegis in the hands of GPK.
Yep.
Looks great for him.
Maybe this is take some towers time.
known as TTT. Unfortunately the tormentor is down, otherwise it would be the TTTT.
Alright, who got tormentor? Did you notice that?
Betboop. That was part of why they got all that gold.
Ah, so Katya only with the shard, then.
Not the best, but the Lion one is not great this game either, so it's kind of whatever.
That's fine. I think it's better than you're saying.
It's okay.
It lets him farm.
Yeah, he's... Unfortunately, frame shard is his lowest level skill. I don't know when it is this kills a wave.
What level you need of it?
Yeah, it's just the level 1, and it's pretty bad.
Maybe it's enough on level 3. I don't know if level 2 wipes out a wave.
Either way, it's better than the line one in this game, I think.
Scan is found. Oh, they get the dead shot on Timbs as well. That cancels the TP, but then I shackle into the focus fire, but the pierce the veil coming out.
For the Muerta!
Timbs takes the tumble as a result, sketched, stuck inside the newly picked up shard from the toss.
Death number two for OG as these are starting to stack up.
That boom. Starting to build on this lead.
It feels like there's a lot of pressure right now on Niko to get toward that BKB so that he can pay it back.
When you build a strategy this heavily around pooling in eggs,
you'd hope for the hero that gets it to really return to favor so far you can't
even tell that he got it except for his farming speed in the jungle which is not
really exactly very inspiring to see so maybe the idea for OG here is just take
it easy wait for that BKB and that's your time to strike but that boomer
trying to be as oppressive as possible around the map find these war picks
Two men pit of Malice into the high five, a classic combination on the Lord, level 18.
He's a tanky boy.
On him, highest level hero on the dire, level 16 on Natsumi, so looking really good there.
As a matter of fact, we have two level 8 heroes on the beat.
It's a nice falling into the hacks and into another kill, 4-bet booms.
And...
More from PK.
Okay, so this is getting out of control.
This is the problem that I have with OG in some of their games, is that when things don't go according to plan,
it feels like there's no plan B sometimes.
Like, this doesn't feel structured.
It's kind of, we're just five dudes running around waiting for Largo.
But if you keep splitting up like this against these hero combinations, you're going to keep feeding.
Roar, Blink Hacks, Tusk Muerta, all of them can kill you.
If your formation is too greedy, you get punished severely, and yet you just fall out.
X finds it, and now they have all the control in the world.
Tim's is there, nice force staff, but still have the snowballs, still have the punch.
Still have the congregations up the deep, and you guys are going to pop the BKB.
And that's after starting to do a little bit of work here.
You'll find you're joining the party. Kento only takes out two of the frog.
The night fall away for the Muerta is successful.
Mero does it make it's style and everyone is getting out it looks like.
It could have been a lot worse for Beth, but at the very least for OG they do stay Frogman.
That is not bad for Beth Boomer in terms of that being the BKB reveal.
That was the big timing OG were waiting for and all they got was this shitty t-shirt and a tossed kill.
It's not the best.
But it also still showcases the strength of what is the case now.
Case now, OGR capable of fighting, Largo is a monster.
And the next Ags is coming soon, Senator. Believe it or not.
Yep.
So, 1200 away.
I would say Ember overwind.
So, here's the thing about Ember.
So, typically Embers build it as like a fourth item, I want to say.
Like, how much does it matter that you have all these other items before getting the Ags?
Because then you're not, you know, have as much mana capacity, you know, mana a lot.
Depending on what builds you're actually going for, like a Shiva's or something.
Yeah, he doesn't have Kai'Sanj, so his mana is a potential issue with the Shiva's.
Um...
I would still give it to him over Windranger.
But...
Yeah, we'll see.
That is a good point.
When you get it pooled, you don't get the other benefits of it.
You don't get the stats, which is a relatively big part of it on Ember.
Because he really needs that mana pool.
But I think even keeping that in mind, I would still rate him higher than Wind on the list.
list. I would agree. There's a world where he doesn't even build it for the
Windrunner. I would say that's a mistake. I think if you're already going this
round just go all out. Get one for Windrunner because her axe is actually
very good against Muirta, I would say. Muirta can't target her during Windrun and you
get the evasion. Yeah. Or rather the physical damage reduction actually so that
does not work against Muerta. It works against almost every other...
And they need detection all the time.
Sure, but the secondary effect of the axe is that you take 35% reduced physical damage in Windrun.
But that's Muerta is actually the perfect example of a hero that doesn't work against, so maybe that makes it worse.
Well, it does make it worse, though. Does it make it...
...still?
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Does it... does it make it enough worse that you'd buy something else?
Like, what would you buy on Al? Dagger?
Alright, next ag. Surely this is Ember. Surely. Yes it is. It's already here.
What's he queuing up? He's queuing up 4-stef, so he might just settle for the 2. 4-stef, of course, very good.
Hit of malice and shards. And the calling.
I would argue Phoenix ag's is actually better than Winnerner.
But the problem is, you have things like the calling.
There's so much CC that it's not the easiest to dive ag someone.
Yes, force theft though.
On Phoenix.
So you could.
But...
I think it's a very underrated ag.
It's just the hero just doesn't farm, right?
So you're not seeing it as often.
Smoke from OG.
Now, interesting timing here.
Double axe.
They want to get that surprise factor going.
In spite of that, there's still 7k down, mind you.
Yes, they are.
Alchemist is effectively a walk in concoction,
aces, concoction, acid spray,
and then hope to tank some spells before you die.
He's a self-stun, is what he is, yeah.
Number one stunner.
That move right there, that didn't connect on anything,
cost him a thousand gold.
I'm up to 8k now, Beto just slowly but surely,
trickling away.
The focus likely will be this next roche, which 40 seconds away from knowing the timer.
Charm is up though.
That's true.
Alka is pretty good at this even as a support.
That's pretty nice ability for it.
And they are setting up, but...
The Roar initiation for the APK.
They're filming completely deleted.
And Tim's looks to be next, does get the dive off though.
Shards finishes the job.
And they find a useless creep named Alchemist.
He still goes through though.
Okay Roar plus Pierce the Vale with Daedalus.
They killed Windranger in one second.
Yeah, I have to say.
They finger too.
I assume usually a complete beast on this hero has not found at this game.
And that's something about OG's line-up that we haven't talked about all that much. They don't have any saves against war and hate.
If somebody gets jumped, you just die. Largo can pull them a short distance. That's not going to save them.
So you have to have the good formation and Windranger being in front there. That's not it.
It's a very big loss for them and now Bedboom looking more and more comfortable.
lead their line of scales insanely well. And I have to say this cute little, I don't know
if you want to call it a pocket strategy, but this cute little idea from OG with the
ALT plus Largo has not worked.
Yeah, which makes me really sad because that means we probably won't see the rest of
the tournament from, like, typically if something works like this, somebody's going
to cop somewhere down the line.
Which just means, you know, Alchemist support needs a buff, obviously.
Make Ags half the price.
50% off, discount.
That's the best.
Great.
Just great.
It would be interesting to have 50% off something for a certain amount, like the first 10 minutes
of the game or something.
If you don't make it on time, it's full price.
That's kind of a cool, like a conditional bastard.
from back boom. Niko is the one showing in lane. Largo is a little easier target though.
Largo is hitting a pretty important break point here.
Oh, the bar is going to have Lotus though, but they go for the Alchemist instead. Now
the walrus punch, keeping Largo in place, he pops the BKB, and now the egg is placed
as well. Okay, this is not going to happen.
That's the only GPK trying to run it off. Not going to happen though. Big kill for
OG. The buyback down to useless Alchemist. And that's all they're going to get,
it seems. The lion and beast with a buyback for Alch as the trade.
Yeah, how much gold do you think Hal paid for that buyback with 3,000 net worth made at 30?
Not much.
He gained gold from buying back and getting one assist, I think?
So...
Yup, that's about right.
Anyway, that was...
Alright, big Q for OG.
Absolutely.
And that's kind of the dream scenario.
This was what I was gonna say.
OG just hit a meaningful timing with Largo picking up the Lotus Orb,
and now he has the Shard too.
I think he Lotus off a stun.
At least Muerto was stunned for a long duration of time there by something, or pushed back.
And that made all the difference. If she is not hitting, Niko won't die now. He's very tanky.
Got the homie getting chased, gets the snowball onto the centaur, gets licked back into the arms of the rest of OG.
And now OG with the huge momentum swing.
Yeah, this was awkward because GPK wanted to obviously roar at Largo.
Oh, it's the Shackle shot.
Natsumi got a shackle between Beastmaster and Muerta, and Muerta had not pre-BKB.
That is kind of a minor, rather a major mistake from Kiritich.
If you're getting the roar on Largo, you pop everything.
That shackle, look at the stun charge.
Literally just stun into stun into stun into stun.
Those fraud spots are hilarious.
If you had to make Alchemist with two dota talent, who would be the ogre and who would
be the guy on top?
I mean, the guy on top has to be slacks, right?
Really?
He's the one that talks a lot, just really annoying.
Okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
The big ogre?
Hmm.
It's a little tougher.
Probably slacks as well.
Okay, so...
But slacks, that's...
Slacks with no mouth.
That sounds like an improvement.
And a third test at the level.
That sounds like an improvement.
And a third test that they'll probably scan.
Can't say whether that's an improvement.
And then...
He is going aggs again. Alright.
He's fully committed to the bit. I love it.
He was like, I could buy four staff, and then he was like,
wow, the aggs I just bought actually worked.
I'll try another one.
So what is it he gets for giving them? He gets attack damage.
Well, I think that's...
Wait, did they change it?
I thought it was only if he got aggs himself that he gets those.
Is that not true?
No, I think it's just 25 damage for each aggs who gift to anyone.
And then you can also gift yourself for an additional 25 when you're like, Uber stacked
down.
Huh.
Okay.
That was, I guess, one of the attempted buffs on this strat that just didn't really
hold, I guess.
Okay.
Got to say these last five minutes have been a bit of a roller coaster.
It's extremely important for OG that they got something going.
That one fight has cut the lead by about half.
And at this point, despite killing it, I don't really think the lead matters that much.
It's too insignificant.
Usually when you look at this, you're like, wow, one team is up 4k against Alchemist.
They're mega far ahead, but support Alchemist is just a different equation.
So, I would say this game is like more or less 50-50, it's about who gets the jump, gets the clean initiation,
and things are going to get tougher and tougher in that department for the side of that boom, because Largo almost has Lincoln's now too.
So you've got double Lincoln's double load as courtesy of his shark.
Oh, they found a shackle though, on the way to the instant hex command from save. Beautiful save, no pun intended.
He just downed just like that.
A costume save.
It will cost him his life, but well worth it because Martha was dead to rights.
Yeah, that's not bad.
One hero for the Aegis Plus saving your carry?
We'll take it.
Where did that even end up?
Was that in their base?
Was it concoctions?
No, the Thieves Gate.
Oh.
And we're trying to take it just for fun.
200 gold away from next aggs.
Do you...
I mean, it's Windrunner still.
There's no way.
So you said you liked Phoenix slightly more.
I like Phoenix more though, but it, I mean, this is your carry when you're in the game.
I, I, I, it's God of your wind, right?
Yeah, I think so.
Phoenix is level 18 though, so it does make the, the Scepter a lot better.
In terms of pure impact, I genuinely feel strongly that Phoenix is better in this game.
I see if OG agreed.
I mean, the carry's gonna cry if they don't get it though, so.
They don't agree.
Yeah, that's fine.
Winrunner has agonized Scepta now. So goes Invis with Winrun.
Yeah, the physical damage part is kind of irrelevant here. The enemy carry does magic damage.
And, well, she also doesn't have True Strike. Hell yeah, we love pauses.
They don't have True Strike and they have no physical spells.
Because I think it's all physical damage taken. It's not just attacks, but they don't have like sorrow or crush for example or anything
So I think zero mitigation really
out of it
All right, if he stops on this eggs, I'm gonna be pissed. Okay
Don't edge me like that. You gotta finish the job. Cueing up shard. Get that phoenix. Well shard
I can understand I was actually thinking about this because he's getting damage from his eggs, right?
Well, he's gonna throw it on his teammates. I think
It's much, much better to use it as a counter to Eretich.
When he gets saved again by save himself, he blinks first.
But the roar comes out onto Larlah, double impalas, well into the punch.
Larlah's in a lot of trouble. Dead already.
80 seconds, they got to get the hell out of here.
But the Ember is found as well, so two cores dead for OG as the rest attempt to run away.
Artemis will not get out.
Double kill for Heritage, they were baiting them hard.
Talk about a value refresher reveal there from GPK.
Can you get any better Roars than Largo into Ember? I don't think so.
He set up both of those kills cleanly and they might even find Tim's here.
I guess there's no backup on the way, so perhaps he's gonna look trying to bait out the Supernova, I would imagine.
Tim's is staying patient though.
But that is still massive. Just to pull him in on the sideline.
This is a lane of Barracks if they just try to press their advantage.
Where to know the Swift Link more or less decked out, can finish the pipe or replace it.
I'm seeing it here. So the first floor onto Largo, nice chaining of the stuns, zero chance to get off the BKB.
And yeah, that's just what happens when you go to this area of the map without full control and before you have the Linkins.
Probably...
Hindsight is 20-20, but you were late.
500 gold from the Linkins, or less than a thousand.
And if you have that, this Beastmaster plays from so much more.
If only Alchemist could get Linkins.
Yeah, that's a great suggestion. I think Alchemist should be able to give any item to his teammates, not just hands.
That's right.
Back to Dota 1 where there was a strategy where people were...
Gifting Divine Rapier.
...cooling a rapier to troll. I remember that.
Links was the big one. Come on.
And when you could buy Aegis with three charges, and every time you respawned, you respawned in Fountain.
And then it gave armor and magic resist, but you also couldn't drop it from the inventory when they changed the aegis thing
I hated it for I remember really hate it because I got so used to just buying that every game
What an insane concept that you could buy three extra lives that also gave armor and magic resist in modern Dota though
Be so insanely beyond broken. I wouldn't even know which is funny because things have gotten even crazier. Yeah
There's some of the old Dota 1 stuff that would still be
ridiculous in modern Dota but the vast majority of let's say normal things are
just power-fripped like crazy but that the old ages was in stain some of the
old pure designs were insane except for Terrorblade which has remained for the
most part yep you love to hate on that sure do
all right well OG in a bit of a tough spot now they've taken a couple of bad
That fight and the lead for Beth doing is now 12k still doesn't feel that out of reach
Like that last fight that we saw was pretty much the nightmare scenario where they get a clean jump on
Largo and kill him in one roar and then the next war goes on a secondary core like see the thing is
Imagine the fight like that with a initiative. Yeah, but imagine
I'm not even kidding here. Imagine Phoenix has eggs there whoever gets a roar just gets eggs. Yep
I'm with you. I'm with you. I definitely see the potential. Especially because I mean,
Huerta is decent at killing the egg. She hits pretty fast in his BKV. It's a level 18 with
AGS. That's pretty difficult. It's like 15 hits or something, right? The AGS does give additional hits,
but it's still 13. Marta is very good if she gets the gunsling it. Depends on how many people
or close by I suppose it's just like a solo thing, yeah.
I mean in theory it's amazing.
Yeah, well actually it won't.
But then in actuality you pull a Toronto Tokyo
and then you lose.
Well night falls not in the game but I think we're safe.
That clip is still absolute best here, it's so funny.
Some of those of you who missed it,
there was like, I think it was,
they were playing on bedroom at the time,
both of them right?
Probably.
And I think the game was looking really good,
they were far ahead and then I think Toronto Tokyo
misclicked his egg and killed nightfall with it and then they lost if I remember correctly and they were not happy
Oops
Oh gee looking for an opening yep smoke
They've got the Lincoln's
Double Lincoln's double Otis put it on the right guy and get to work and Windranger also has a Lincoln so she has
They have a double-double. Your favorite burger.
Meryl would love to tank this.
They're actually doing a really good job of running into...
Oh, Scabble's throwing.
...the squishier targets. GPK knows somebody's there.
There's the focus firing to save it.
Instead, Walrus punch onto Natsumi.
Roar is expensive, but no real follow-up here.
The Phoenix dies as Yopajin 1v2 gets the support, though,
as GPK's still raising his arms, trying to look for a roar.
A good shackle onto the toss with a huge pit comes out and now Natsumi gets destroyed from TPK.
Niko and Yopaj look to their own devices. Double kill for Yopaj.
They're going to bide their time here. Niko with his song.
Kiritich is still trying to catch up.
The dead shot's going to miss.
Frogs bump his wall. Another pit.
Focus right now obviously on the ember as the pierced avail comes out.
Double kill for Kiritich.
He is just, if he can just stand and deliver.
He has no problem dealing that damage. Niko left all alone and that's going to be a triple for Kiritich.
That's that refresher.
Needed the second pierce the veil. Didn't even need the second BKB.
Pierce the veil was enough. But that was a good showcase of how this game is not even close to over just yet because
when the initiation terms are different, Oji's line on still showing some promise.
They get to get off Largo's songs for the entire fight.
But man, look at the damage that's left.
So we'll see that after, I guess.
I see this initiation, so first they go on to save, they get the roar off, but they can't kill him during BKB here,
but they do kill the egg.
Tim's, I think the supernova is poorly placed, honestly, in that situation.
So they trade, dodge out the secondary roar for now, and this is looking kind of promising now for OG.
They're going to kill the tusk, but another connection onto that zoomie.
Seals the deal.
I mean, really, they have triple Linkins because of Niko's shark, right?
Yeah, he's going to put Linkins on that sumi, and that sumi has his own, so that's two,
and then they have a castle.
And they have three lotuses, basically, as a role too, yeah?
And they have the tools against Beast Quest, but you think they're still fighting
wars?
It's impressive.
They need to break those Linkins and then get to work, and they're making it
happen.
Now, back into live, we're pushing mid, forcing out the glyph, they have ages and cheese now.
On the radiant side, and the refresher shard, currently sitting in Underlord's backpack.
Not where I would recommend having it.
But, trying to ferment it with the cheese?
You're not gonna have it on Beastmaster or Morita, so...
I wouldn't mind putting it on life.
Not for two fingers, but for like the 10 seconds of chainsaw.
I think that could be useful.
We'll see, though. Having it in the backpack is definitely not it.
We saw that Glypnir. I'm not sure how long ago he picked it up from Miera, but those
pits are enormous now!
And the Glypnir is a really good way to proc Lincoln's too. It's a super long cast
range.
True.
Who doesn't have a shard yet?
GGK.
Hey, it doesn't.
That's wrong. He has it.
Huh? You just got it.
Yes, you did.
So actually save is the only one yep out the shark. It's good. Good. I don't know. Is the good RNG?
It's okay, I guess
more birds
Feels like they're just gonna die as collateral damage though, but
Yes, neither of them are that useful
That's when would like to
Finish this right here and now but oh gee have a good ward set up the doctors in the house, too
I'm not sure. It looks like Batboo are the ones with vision of it, at the bottom right there.
Ochi plays to ward both above and below. Now the above ward is going to be cleaned out,
so as a result they will retreat to their other spot, and if this breaks out, they will want to take this fight.
Now, as soon as you're showing, blink away from the glibener.
I'm not going to commit it, seems. Two and a half minutes on the Aegis.
They do spot and ping the damage room, and they are going to TP for it.
Although there's double TPs.
Oh, they have outpost control as well, I see.
So Keratich will bottle it, and this is going to hurt.
Probably just waiting for that refresher as well, so timing really nice for Beb to do.
Not exactly the name of someone you wanted to visit for medical advice, Dr. Muerta,
which literally means death.
Dr. Death.
something with death at least sure you're not you're the Spanish speaker
here I am yep what you got that from slacks
I see test limp your micah sir hmm need to clean my house
okay okay that's a double double shot kill my goodness clean up the house for
ogre blood I think gracious a little bit of a two-shot there from the
Diablo
Now the initiation. Oh, he's the one of my back on the alchemist hex right now onto the toss
That's gonna be the first no cat damage pasta BKB is running away
Somehow he lives throughout this that's him. He's still invisible. Thanks for that eggs lying all over
Really happens here
The fight breaks up naturally with no casualties
I think you're pretty happy with that if you're bet boom. Yeah, the waves are pushing
Ember did use his BKB, so he's vulnerable now.
Morita is going to kill him in the blink of an eye, he's not fair.
We'll have the refresher for Morita. Double ult at her disposal.
So this will be a second set of barracks.
At this point, OG might as well wait for the Aegis, 30 seconds.
This is going to be a last-bitch effort.
Okay, he gets the D-Ward.
Very very ballsy.
He gets away with it.
Do you think there's an item incoming from OG that's going to make a drastic difference?
It feels like they have a lot of what they would want.
They have Hatchen.
The Hatch on Phoenix would be nice at this point, but they're not getting it.
Shackle into the focus bar catch only not gonna get out of death this time. They have the roar though win-runner
A lot of trouble lotus applied. It's gonna roar himself, but just fill the damage from all my god
No, but just triple kill make it an ultra where it is out of control
Niko all alone will this become a rampage? No, he goes for the old classic nightfall
They have no answer for keratich if you look at these damage charts, this is not fair
He's soloed their team. They just two Roars and he killed everything.
Even if GPK Roars himself, it doesn't really matter.
Just gotta make sure, if Marta is hitting you win, that's a pretty nice win condition to have.
But yeah, you'll posh without the BKB.
Focus fire, decent amount of damage to the Marta.
But there's the pierced avail and there's the back again for Natsumi.
Just way too much.
Speed X, seems to get back to base, but this is Megas, and this should be Gigi.
Yeah, it's over. They can't stop this more. It's a...
She has hit critical mass, and Gigi is called, so Game 1 of this tiebreaker best of three goes to Bedboo.
The good news for OG is, now it's kind of like, um, ground hockey.
You're back to the beginning of the day, and now you have to win the next two games?
Yeah, that's right.
It's the same situation all over again.
If you can forget everything that happened,
imagine you just woke up.
Don't pick Alchemist, I guess.
To end both games, yeah, well,
perhaps if this was a do or die game,
maybe they don't run that.
They don't want a 6K net worth Alchemist.
They have one to bleed out,
scam looking like,
guys, I gave everything away
and this is what I got in return.
But, um, that's how it goes.
how it goes. I would have loved to see the Phoenix Axe, but as we saw in the previous
fight, his egg might honestly just be obliterated anyway. And those damage numbers, here's
it, 61k. Doubling up Yopaj, who's second in the game, just a masterful performance
and a great set up overall from the squad. Honestly, didn't feel like a 50 minute game,
did it? It felt shorter to me. Oh, look, it comes with H. Yeah, I guess so, but
Yeah, Carrotitch, absolutely monstrous performance shiver.
MONSTER AS QUINN!
The leader lies and apologizes, Bethlehem not washed, not one bit.
Well, the thing is, if OG is washed, and Bethlehem is slightly less washed,
then it's just a washers wash competition, right?
Maybe they were just refreshed and had washed their face!
That's right, mode's D&Q, they definitely...
I mean, Carrotitch popped off this game.
I think OG Strat fell flat, that rhymes.
Um, Amen, Dav'l and Haters tinder and as I I don't know. I think their heroes are kind of bad
And I think you can see his time plays out
It's just it just looks impossible for them to play these fights eventually and they kind of put themselves in that hole
And I don't really know why I
Stand by what I said in the draft analysis that you're like, I don't know if he's being selfless on
Why am I blanking nuts enemy?
But if I'm a carry player and I see lion tusk first two picks
And you don't pick me a save. I'm just gonna die every fight like this. He's on the enemy team. How are you supposed to pick him?
I
I was good. I was good. The point is is like I really think they had this strategy going in there
It's like we're gonna pick Larva. We're gonna pick alchemist and give them an axe
Like this is just all like we're gonna stay together and ball up and be like unkillable
But then from the very beginning of the draft they said, okay
We're gonna pick single target burst damage. We have toss lion beast master, and then they just died really fast
And I don't know I just there's something about completely ignoring what the other team strategy is that like triggers me a little bit
So apologize about that
Apology accepted. I did think the strategy with the alchemist was fun
It was fun. It was fun. It just in a vacuum
It was fun. It was wasn't actually good. It was fun
It would yeah, even though they lost it was still fun. Yeah, I do appreciate that. It was not fun for that
I'll tell you okay, we care to teach blinked off the high ground and to
Kill him and literally do it in any chat wheel that was funny like yes
I was genius. I asked you guys I asked you guys while we were watching that game
Do you think alchemist five is inherently funny? You said objectively objectively funny?
Yes
hilarious
Like this is what I love about og is that they're willing to do stuff like this despite they just to old bet boo in
Today it wasn't that long ago, and yet they're they're still innovating
It's like kind of playing into what you guys are saying about them doing their own thing and not really paying attention to the enemy draft
Them doing their own thing is just constantly trying stuff as well even when
And there, I guess, isn't much rhyme or reason for it, which I respect.
This is fun, Dota.
I mean, it's fun, but I also feel like if you've done really well in the groups and
you're playing the tail end of the groups, that's the time we have a little fun.
You're kind of in like the really important phase.
You kind of have to win.
Yeah, like if you lose the next game, you're kind of out.
So I feel like objectively, you're objectively out.
They're gone.
So I feel like objectively, now is the right time to play well and win.
We have to have fun. Fun is for after.
Maybe. Maybe their logic was it's a best of three.
Game one, we can do whatever we want.
And there's this like two of them before, we can do two of them again.
So game one, let's just chuck it out the window,
pick toss four times, and then we'll win the game 2-0.
Solid plan. We all do it for the fans.
We do know that OG loves their fans.
And there's a lot of people tuning in to watch them perform.
I mean, more games is better.
So, you know set them up for three gamer.
So high seven hotel.
I don't I don't think that's happening.
I think they're vibing.
I think that's what's happening.
They're feeling themselves off the two of today.
They're like, oh, let's try that.
Let's try that out five.
Like, yeah, we got this.
Like it's not there's no they're not thinking about it too much.
There's just instinct, right?
They're just vibes.
And I think now that they've got the reality check, which is like, okay,
this is a really good team we're up against.
Like maybe we don't innovate here and instead just go back to the go back to the bread and butter
At least when it comes to the supports because I think the cores were quite normal in terms of what it was
I usually picks because that question would be it wasn't actually the elk five that made them lose this game
objectively
I mean, I'd say elk five and bird four. I think the combination of two the super powered griefer of support duo
Powering up the room awesome duo though
though I'm awesome objectively just just cool it's just sweet it's like you know
that objectively it's just a pub these are two people that don't care about the
outcome of the game they just want to play their characters those guys are not
sweet I think they are I think they're not
Swedes at all that that's true there they could be they could be well he's not
sweet no they're Portuguese we're yeah the house for sure I thought you were
talking about the players on the top like maybe maybe like somewhere down the
line I mean we all share a lot of genes here especially you Brian we both have
genes oh I know I don't have genes from the Alabama never does do the only
Oh my god, jeans!
That's true.
I don't have jeans.
They look like dark jeans.
Yeah, they're kind of like black jeans.
Yeah, anyway.
Yeah, they look like gay jeans.
You touch them.
Touch them.
Oh yeah, those aren't jeans.
Well, they're 2 for 2.
It is 1-0, not 2 for 2 right now in the score line.
And if all of this can be deducted down to, hey guys,
we need better support Juo's, seems like recovering
from loss like this Brian should be a piece of cake.
Yeah, I know Jenga is all about vibe
and them doing their own thing.
But I really do believe you have to respond somewhat to what the opponent is doing.
And if they're all ining something, like if the enemy all ints tower push, and you just
pick no wave clear, you're going to lose the game.
Like there's stuff like this, like there's kind of, I don't know, strategies of Dota?
What would you even call it?
I feel like there's a lot of dials in Dota where sometimes you take the dial a little
too much over to an extreme and nobody should be fully towards the extreme of
flying their own strategy this was like 10 out of 10 yeah 11 out of 10 they just
broke the dial I need to dial it back they just need to dial back to like a nine
because I I agree like pick one hero this throw shadow demon in there and I'm
actually happy with you yeah exactly SD instead of the Phoenix because that's
it would have been in response earlier in the draft and you pick that
alchemist there and I'm okay with it and he takes the dividends fasted
Instead of the seed money
Yeah, that actually that actually was a little bit of a that's so anti-fun
You pick it was literally your fun game you threw it out the window and then you didn't have fun
No, they didn't even fully commit that's I feel like you're not committed. You gotta folks make for that for sure
You got it. You can't soft commit to the punch here
I think I think we are all in agreement that actually the problem objectively was more with the phoenix than anything
I mean you said this during the draft and watching the game
Wait, wait, wait, so we can see in Alchemist 5 again just this time without Phoenix?
I'm not so sure because the mid game got a little weird because of the Alch-2.
The early game was actually really good. Like his ganks were solid.
Killed the mid lane once or twice.
Lane went fine.
TPK was having a pretty rough time because of the Alch-Rotations.
So, but the mid game gets weird.
And these games are going later and later.
Like it's going to have an impact even though the laning stage looked fine.
Yeah, I mean, he got the, uh, eggs on the Largo pretty fast.
It wasn't as much of a turn.
It was not a turning point that I was thinking.
Like, oh my God, there's an egg on the Largo, and now it's over.
It didn't happen.
I mean, they just had a lot of single-target disables, so he got the eggs and then immediately
ran in and died.
Like, that was...
He can't sing when you're stunned.
Yeah, that was literally 10 seconds after he got the eggs, because I think, was
it you, Shiver, that was like, did he get the eggs?
Yeah.
And then he was dead.
You asked that question.
Yes, because I didn't notice that he already got it because it was such a small little
time window, she was objective.
Objectively it was.
Objectively the small time window is here as well because we have only a very small
time window before we go for game number two and for that, before that, rather,
we are going through a quick break, will be right back.
Everybody needs a time away And sometimes a bit
Think you better take that harder day Now the harder day
Backspat, you can now relax Cause your mind's on the fight
They won't fly back Just ask for your favourite snacks
When the cloud describes to you No cares when you're in the air
Looking down on the mountain when they leave that beach
Have a sweet amount of paradise and time for a year
Everybody needs some time away
And some time to think
Think you better take that holiday leave
Holiday holiday
Everybody needs some time away
And some time to think
Think you better take that holiday leave
Holiday holiday
First range sun dredge you really want your skin
Third time's time, life's the indulgence, man
Hunchies won't breathe, little by little, bro
Heartlights will lie, wish you could take them all
Sweep, sweep, dip, deep, repeat
You stand on this hand and it wants you free
And this heat, you deserve a treat
So take it nice and slow
Carefree in a fantasy
You forget your stress for a week or three
Trust me when you're in the same place
Know where else to go
Everybody listen, turn away
And sometime today
Think you better take that holiday
Holiday, holiday
Everybody listen, turn away
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can do that
Easy, I love it so much
Take that holiday, holiday, holiday
Holiday, holiday, holiday
Oh yeah, yeah, I can do that
Easy, I love it so much
Oh
Where'd he go?
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you
Don't mean to understand, gotta find a way to be a man
It's something about the way you turn and look at me
You smile and turn
Where'd he go?
And set my mind at ease
Trying hard not to stare, don't wanna look thirsty
Just trying to play it cool
Got to show him that I'm learning
You've done stuff already
Walked in all the hair and seemed to leave this room
I just had to find a way to get it next to you
Where'd he go?
He's just fine
If he had a chance on the side it's fine
Can't be a friggin' heart and I'm done with your mind
And don't wanna push me up because I'm a little kind
Stop checking me out
Try not to fear out what I know about
What the fuck are you gonna make me scream and shout?
Yeah, I know that person is taking it out
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
It's just, it's okay
Look, look
Wolves howling at the moon
Peek-a-boo neckin' like a fool
It's just, it's okay, okay, you do it
All the nonsense they throw at you
That type of thing don't interest me when it comes to you
Where'd we go?
Can't wait to show you that my love is true
Don't wanna miss my chance
Would you mind if I took your hand?
I'm on the floor, baby, let's dance.
Extended cut, DJ, making life.
When the only one that knew was on to this mood.
Intoxicated by the way I find this blood.
Come on.
I'm walking here.
So it's fine.
Hey, baby.
I'm in love with your mind.
Don't let me mess you up.
Cause I'm trying to look at me.
Yeah.
So I'm checking me out.
Trying to be around, but I'm over by.
Come on.
I'm in love with you.
Stay in the shot.
Where'd he go?
That's her splurge.
Yeah, her splurge.
Good, good.
Smile.
Let me go!
Hey, hey, hey!
All right!
Whoo!
Where'd he go?
Now that's good, that's good, that's good.
Now what's in there? Let's see the man.
We're the final day of group stage one. That's right. We've got seven teams already moving forward to group stage two
And yes, that is seven out of sixteen so we already cut, but we didn't cut eight teams
We got seven teams that means two teams are on account of more and they're playing against each other right now
That boom one game up and that means they're one step closer to a locking in their
spots for group stage number two and OG is looking to fight back with the baby a little bit of a different strategy
They went for the alchemist position five and the Phoenix position four
Not everybody was on board with that and objectively just didn't look as good as it probably should have
Let's see what they have in store for us this time around. We got bedroom dire og radiant. So we flip that around
Largo still banned so she won't get their hands on that one and we got Beastmaster also removed if you want to look at
Bedroom's draft from previous game. Is there any?
Because obviously we criticize OG draft a lot
But is there anything particularly from from bedroom that's like oh actually you know what it's probably best to not let them get
their their hands on that one. I mean I like the Beastmaster band. I think the
cereal is easy and I think especially in a game that's like an important game
it's a clutch game something that farms fast, scales well, has like stuns, you
can just roar a guy and he dies. Plays in so many lanes. Yeah. You're not locked
into anything. Easy execution is just so important. We talk about it all the
time but having a draft that you can lose a fight or two that you don't
need to lane perfectly that you're able to farm, get items and the way
you take teamfights and are able to move around the map is just very easy is just always gonna be better with the pressure side
Because you're not playing at that highest level. Yeah, something else you said to me like four years ago. No, I'm kidding
Something I learned from like just surveying pros over the years is just
Basically every teamfight describing very clearly what spells get casted in what order and like an ideal world
Basically like painting a picture for how simple is our teamfight execution and I feel like Beastmaster
like part of the teamfight execution is always who do we go on who does the
damage and you know making sure that you deal with BKB's and other items and I
feel like Beastmaster just makes that equation it does so so yeah right you
just like I have a BKB piercing stone I have damage I can jump whoever I want
because you're the guy that's gonna solo kill them so yeah he just goes yeah
huh like that I think that he does a little bit louder than that
You've just been more conviction.
You just went, huh, I'm on it.
I almost screamed into the mic.
We have a sound tech specifically to prevent your microphone from clipping.
I'm sure they're ready.
Like that?
Yeah, that's better. You're supposed to project.
Yeah, we do a test.
Yeah.
It was your diaphragm, right?
Yeah, yeah, you got it.
Yeah, exactly.
Project with the gut.
But why is it all so low?
Isn't it actually legitimately screaming?
Or is it actually, does it sound like he's using you're not really using your vocal cords properly?
That sounds like an animal. I suppose he's using a diaphragm. Yeah, but you're still using your vocal cords. You're not just breathing out
That's true
I feel like he's letting the animal the beast that's inside all of us and letting that animal out because you know
There's three wolves inside inside of us. Oh, I think for him it's three
What about wolves?
Well, there's a beast right there, it is the Underlord.
I would consider him a sort of beast, a demonic beast if you will, and gets a bit of higher
priority than other Underlords that we've seen.
Yeah, I mean, he owns Last Game, and I think they're just like, ah, we lost to him, just
feed him, right?
There's no Ursa Band though, so they are potentially going to get Ursa.
Kira Ursa sounds like a pain in Underlord's big butt.
So I'm a little worried about that.
How's the Ursa into Winter Intermatchup?
I remember that was previously considered pretty decent for Wind.
It is, for sure.
Maybe that's why they're like, OK,
you want to pick a good matchup versus an off laner,
then we'll have a good carry-to-carry matchup.
Yeah.
Line is poor, I know.
I'm seeing it more and more in pro-level pubs, sometimes the meta shifts in a way where not
having somebody be able to get saved in conventional ways and taking somebody off through BKB on
the sidelines, that's just very strong.
I don't think there's anything new that we're seeing out of Lyon.
It just feels like the meta has shifted in a way, maybe because there's enough damage
to actually kill people in his gun.
What the other heroes that you're going to pick on your team?
His innate's underrated by the way.
Go to hell and back.
Yeah.
Back to hell.
Should you kill yourself to Roshan?
Is the Roshan...
What is his innate again?
It's when you respond for like 90 seconds you do.
Like after you've died you get extra spell amp and status or debuff amplification.
90?
No, it's 20% for 90 seconds. He had 90. It's a long time. That's a long time. Yeah
Well theory crafty should kill yourself to Roche just for a little bit of a stronger laning phase. Yeah
I'm on erotically not there. It's not a bad idea. It's 20% by default
And I know there's a hex hold on talent on the same on the other side, but at level 15 you can make it 35%
It's pretty insane if you're especially because like about that point in the game your respawn times similar to
the level 2 finger cooldown, so you can just finger somebody and then die, do a die, nullify
your top line trading and just run it back.
Yeah.
Go to life.
I was wondering if they were actually going to pick Axe, because if you want to pick a
bad carry to carry matchup, it's more like I'm more willing to have a bad carry to carry
matchup if I know their carry has a tough time being played, yeah, basically.
And Axe is the best against ranged turret heroes in regards to removing their ability
to carry the game. So if I have this axe that then sets me up to pick Ursa, or something
like Monkey King, like just purely focusing on the lane. Later. I would just slam Ursa
if I'm a bad boom team. I'm pretty sure the idea behind this axe is to feel good about
the Ursa pick.
You think they're rotating Windranger to 4? Abba carry against axe?
That could be what they're doing, yeah.
I mean, the theory is like Abba is one of the worst heroes to blink in and try to kill.
I mean they're answering the single target problem that they didn't in the previous game
where like if you present Abba in the front line, it's not a hero, you can just burst
Volta's hero.
According to the numbers, like in terms of the stats, Abba is one of Axe's worst
matchups.
You can't see what people did with their talents on mobile on Dota buff.
to rip off.
It's sad.
You have to hover over and I can't hover over.
No, hovering on the floor is a version.
So Ursa is not like amazing versus a bad end.
The matchup like kind of goes both ways because you can't reliably burst him, but you can
also proc his ulti pretty easily.
But then later, like Ursa hates bloodthorn builders because you're only disposed usually
a BKB and a bad end usually does go Manta bloodthorn.
might not be the case anymore since Manta Abaddon got significantly nerfed. I think I saw Nightfall.
I think he did go Manta. No, I believe he skipped it in the game I was watching,
and he just he just went like very early strength blink refresher. Like he just had like a blink
abyssal BKB refresher on Abaddon. I've still seen Manta. I think it might have been another game
that Nightfall, that I saw Nightfall go for Manta. I imagine it's still good sometimes,
but it it does reduce your ability to clear waves and stuff pretty significantly. There's
There's also a world where like the game I saw he's experimenting with it and he's like
this isn't good.
Yeah, yeah.
This isn't docket anymore.
For the record they made it so bad and illusions don't do the curse of Avernus which is a lot
of damage for an illusion to not no longer do.
The other aspect of the Abaddon vs. Axe matchup is the heroes shifted a lot to being
about battle hunger now.
That's like his whole ending phase, it's about battle hunger and now you can just
put it on you, you can put it under your support.
That's battle is basically just eliminated, it just doesn't exist anymore.
So, that being kind of Axe's only spell, calling people is kind of whatever, and if you're
just basing him, he's not really getting many countering hits on you, so it essentially
reduces him to a zero spell hero, which can then potentially be spammed down, harassed,
etc.
Back when Tundra was first picking Axe every game, they would always ban Abaddon, always.
They would play against Perse before they played against Abaddon.
And if 33 did play against Abaddon, he would go for a really early pipe, like literally
no blink pipe to match the Radiance timing.
I would love to see a similar strategy from Miro because, yeah, I don't want to blink into a badden
underlord at all, but I also do need to offer a frontline. So also giving them an alternative
method of initiation, I think is a really smart idea. Coming from the mid lane.
Bro, the fact that you can pick Puck like this and not have to ban Huskar is,
I feel like, a big weakness in OG's drafting.
Do they just never pick it?
Yobaj has never played a Huskar game.
Okay, so he plays Tiny, which is another counter to Puck, but I feel like this matchup is not actually that bad for Puck anymore.
I just heard Thinder and say, Tiny, it's 2-0.
You said that.
They picked Puck, see, Thinder, he already knows what's going to happen, is he right?
Tiny mid sucks. It sucks hard core.
I think you referred to it as Cheeks.
I have referred to it as that, and I would say it again. It is Cheeks.
Upper or lower Cheeks?
Both. Oh, oh my god quadruple cheek quadruple cheek action
Yeah, no
It's just like in theory it is good against puck the issue is just that puck can buy HP items and tiny has issue actually buying more damage
So you kind of lose the ability to burst them single-handedly and you need follow-up
But it's difficult to find yourself in a position like the windows to catch puck or so fleeting that if you can't solo kill him and
Your core that means it's actually hard to find the follow-up damage and also be in the right place
right time to jump them. So you find yourself, like you maybe a combo and he's just half HP
and he walks away or he coils you and you dies. Not to mention you don't even really
beat him in the lane, it's roughly Josh. So it's a pick that can work, I think, and it's
sort of Yopaj's style. But it is not objectively good. However, I do think this draft is more
fitted for them and their heroes make more sense.
There is one thing that commentators always have to be ready for. You have to be
able to highlight both teams, you know, equally give love and stuff. So I want to know
from Cinderyn. What is great about OG Straft, if you have just twice already convincingly
said it's 2-0? It is great that they are good at their heroes. For the other team it
is great that they picked Puck and therefore statistically they win 8%- You're doing it
wrong! You're supposed to highlight only OG. Oh, was it one team only? Yeah, because
you already highlighted Bedman you're saying 2-0 twice. Now you know what it's like
for me shiver he doesn't listen to anything frustrating
how do you keep up with that what do you think what do you think I'm sorry
Shannon you could take over now all right well I think I was watching Topson
stream today my go podge got last picked in the game last by popson he
didn't want it and topson wanted to play mid and your pleasure like please I
need to warm up so he's like okay I'll give you made guess who he picked he
Tiny gets we played against huck wasn't gpk. He dumpstered that he won the part
Okay, of course tops and did hit a lot of arrows. So
All right, they're tops in this game. No a little bit different scenario. They do have a guy with arrows though
That's true. So Tim's can hit power shots and shackle shots. That is true
Very realistic all jokes aside. Obviously it was tongue-in-cheek
Puck has insane winrate this tournament. Tiny is mediocre, but I do think this is...
I stand by what I said. This is comfort through and through for the side of OG.
They're running Tiny, which is Yopash's bread and butter on mid. It's either this or spirit hero.
That's when he shines the most.
I think Natsumi has been playing quite well on Kari Abedin in the games when they've run it.
Hasn't been that much of this tournament, but...
I think it's an underrated carry personally, so I don't mind seeing it.
I think it's very good against Axe, which is also why you see Bet Boom maybe potentially dodging the lane
or maybe they're just trying to be cute with the first blood here from Miro up top.
That might actually be very successful. This is a hard one to expect coming.
They've placed a lane ward and they're keeping the Axe ready to steal Battlehunter in the trees.
What a gank this will be.
I missed these.
I missed the southern nation is killing me.
But he's not showing them.
Yeah, he's chilling.
He knows something's up.
It's like, where is Axe?
Okay.
And here he is, ready to...
Oh, he got glimpsed.
Oh, boy!
Oh, he can take the key.
Oh, boy!
Now in old Dota, this would be disastrous.
In modern Dota, it's a minor inconvenience.
Well, how many creeps did he miss?
Two.
a big deal. I think Lyme got experience for at least one though. Yeah, you're really screwed then.
Boy. Oh, he's back. That didn't change all that much. Now you don't have Thunder Strike if you
want it to harass. That's true. Was it worth it? I actually think that was a net loss killing Glimpse.
You think so? Yeah, you just trade way more favorably against Lyme if you have Thunder Strike.
Like now, save is not going to be worried about fighting back. But he delete half his XP as
well for the first wave. He got experience for the first creep, then he got Glimpse,
so he missed one creep.
Only one? Okay, that is not working.
That's okay. That's the deal breaker.
It's the second creep that makes the difference.
Yeah, it is. That's a big deal in the early stages,
so I don't know if you realize that.
No, not really much of a player.
The Niko is the one playing underlord this time.
Is the second creep the one that gives you level two in turbo?
Is that why you think it's shorter?
They add up.
Oh, so far so good. Mid for Yolkosh, by the way.
This is the lane to watch for me.
How much can he make this work? How much can you prove himself against this fuck?
Thunder Spray is now available for scan. Mero taking a beating.
This is a very radiant favorite lane. The badden is just super good here.
He also makes Disruptor so much better because against this lane in a vacuum.
Oh hang on. There's...
Ah, he has fairy.
Fairy fire! GPK not gonna commit!
You don't get regen for dodging towers anymore.
It looked like he just did what... was it a range creep shot?
Yeah, there was a creep and a tower at the same time.
I think it was the creep.
Oh well, hopefully it was. Otherwise the hero's buff would have explained his win rate.
He just got... oh it's the range creep again. Dammit! He's sneaky that guy.
to the tree to save Miero.
Double salve used down bottom for Betboom.
Economic damage galore.
Yeah, this is a...
It's a tough one.
He's living on the edge here.
Tons of action in all three lanes.
Good luck to the observers.
Good luck to Miero playing an unfavorable matchup
starting from behind.
Not the observers on edge now.
Strike will miss though, Niko.
He's gonna get first blooded by Keratich.
So Tim's power shot completely whiffing.
That is unfortunate, and now he's gonna get gone on, he does get to come on the cat, the
Omibokiratich gets the better of everyone.
Double kill for the Ursa, he gets the Lotus as well.
Now, Jakiro, an interesting hero, it's super high rated in pubs, it's been rated very
high in this tournament, lots of picks and bans, rocking an insane 33% win rate with
a massive sample size.
Which is kind of interesting because what this hero does more or less better than
anyone else.
true lane dominator and pros rate that very highly, and is, you maybe don't offer as much
afterwards as so many other heroes like say a Phoenix 5 where you have this massive teamfight
impact and tons of damage. It's a lot harder to realize to Kira's potential. Nice shackle
shot here from James. And the rotation.
And the TP coming as well. He gets root a second time. Thunderstrike applied to him
as well. Say, gets off the impale, the glints back into the pit. Again, Keratich
He takes a blood grenade and he can't even get past the creeps.
Timbs gets the kill as a result.
Shackle onto the jikiro, another kill going away of OG.
A nice rotation.
Save will be able to limp away.
Very awkward for Ursa there.
This is tragic for Ursa.
That was a double wave in his tower.
And OG, this is some really, really high skill
at high level communication.
Taking advantage of the double wave,
bringing the guy through the gate, overwhelming them.
This is way better than a regular gank
Because Karatich lost a full wave too.
It's a massive loss for him.
If he dies again now, this lane gets hit into a shackle, into another pit.
Karatich...
He is...
Oh my goodness!
This is real bad.
He got rooted three times again.
The exact same combo, and as Dave has one more in pale for the road,
he will again walk away with his life, but obviously the Ursa is the big one.
and Shannon this this is the type of early game that is the reason that Puck's win rate is 100%
because if the side lanes are heavy enough maybe Puck can't win
that top that is a disaster this cannot it's illegal that this happens to a jacquerel lane
let's put it that way that you just can't let this happen effectively the end result of this
is that nico is winning lane as underlord against Ursa straight up one of the hardest
Counterpicks to Underlord in the laning stage and you're you're winning out. That is amazing news. However, yeah
Gbk hits six first sure does
You know fudge. He's gonna get silence a couple more right good tree
And he's gonna live just barely my goodness. Good thing. He warmed up on top since dreamer. That's right. Do that
those fingers are
really warm
Tim's in the meantime just killing in the river just ticking out very slowly dying in the river
That was an interesting reaction, 6 minute power on his top will be arcane for GPK, desperately
needed here.
Now here's one of the major upsides to a bad and safe lane, is this hero is completely
self sufficient now, you're not worried about ganks, if you get rotated on you need 3 or
4 heroes to kill him, so disruptor you can tell the mindset of skim is I don't even
need to play the lane, he goes here if he wants to, there's no pressure on it,
he's gonna try to connect on Nero here if there's a TP response, he's gonna
Glimpse level, four acts by the way, the key is struggling, after that one creepy mist in there, that's the difference.
Yep, sure is.
Now the seven minute wisdom, 20 seconds away.
If Bedbone also loses this, this game is looking some of the worst I've seen at minute seven this tournament.
This is a very very bad setup, it's not just because you're behind in the way that you are, your heroes suck at playing from behind.
Like Ursa and Axe are not recovery heroes. These heroes need to set the terms of the game.
GPK has a lot to do here. They know there's no Abel. He used it in the tower.
He's picking up slowly. Icepath just barely connects. GPK desperately trying to connect, but
looks like he's stuck inside that kinetic field. So everyone gets away with their life,
but very least for Beppin, they do get the wisdom shrine.
Still very comfortable here for the side of OG to be sure.
A badden is miles ahead of the opposition right now.
Winning his lane by 2k alone.
That's the net worth lead, it's just him versus Axe.
But the rest of it obviously also looking very healthy for the OG squad.
You know, I like this for science.
I'm a science kind of guy.
You can talk about science while Yopaj is dying in the mid lane.
We'll get back to it on top of the screen, but it kills off the air.
This is how you do scientific research, Shannon.
You change one variable every time.
So we're gradually making the games harder and harder for puck to see when it breaks.
So this is like having heat on in 80s.
This is basically, you're adding an extra weight plate and seeing if you can still lift it.
Right, okay.
And we did, you and I did cast a puck loss.
It lost to Void Spirit in a 60-something minigame yesterday between Falcons and Extreme.
That was a hero that could beat it late game.
Let's see if we even get to late game.
I think OG don't want to get to late game.
I think OG want to play faster.
Number one, how many times will he get rooted? Number two, it doesn't matter.
The right clicks are enough, Nico.
YoPosh jungling.
YoPosh is crossing in the jungle, good to know.
Tims.
Stay up to date with YoPosh, Cam.
Yeah, Tims is about to drop. Let's get that jungle Cam real quick.
Back to the jungle, we go, there we go, you're still there.
You're still there. There's the dead body of Winner.
Blink and you miss it. Okay, he's still there.
YoPosh, off-screen, perfect. Thank you.
He's still fine. Perfect.
Find the Bounty Room.
Terrific Camerawork.
He's gonna pick up the Bounty Room. Let's stay on track.
Yeah, that's good.
Alright, he's farming that camp.
He's chilling, actually.
He normed the Bounty Room for now. He discovers it.
Good find for your posh that gives gold it sure does and refills his bottle two-thirds
Thank you so much just off tower for kato me now
So that is a decent amount of stabilizing for that room this top sequence they get the kill on underlord
they get the tower, they're leveraging the strength of their jikiro. That's the concern
in a game like this. If you're playing jikiro, you have the levels to push towers, but your cores
aren't online and moves aren't successful, you can very quickly become a sitting duck where you're
just like... you're not getting value out of what you're here as supposed to be. But they've
done a very good job at playing around GPK, which is the one core in their team that was
having a good game. So, that pooped doing the right things in order to stabilize this
early. I still feel like it was kind of a disaster in the two side lanes but they've
actually got blood. This is still not good, but it's seeming way more plausible that they
can stabilize this game entirely. Axe finally gets some space. We have yet to see any real
impact from Yokoch on the tiny because I'll make matters worse.
That's impact. You kill off puck. That's impact from scam, baby. That's that
It's a good thing he has that muscle memory from that Topson game he was playing earlier
against the puck, exact same situation.
Yep, also had a Disruptor 5 ganking his mid lane at minute 10.
That was a Marana 4 from Topson, Arrow 2 puck.
Okay, do you remember the nickname of the puck flyer?
No.
Just be free advertising in case they're looking for a team, I guess it's anti-advertising
if they suck them.
Yeah, not horribly.
That's not great.
Don't get hit by arrows if you're pucked guys, it's not good.
although you know avalanche is a decent duration stuff
that's no purchase here from save or player that tops it with last pick
somebody that's on
og
i mean and the way mortal draft works
you're oftentimes
looking to last pick high rated players so you lose less points if you lose
there's so much variance in those things
so immortal draft let's say
let's say the player pool is from thirteen thousand to sixteen thousand
mr in the game
If you pick all the highest rated players in the beginning,
if you win the game, you gain 10 MMR and if you lose, you lose 40.
Because the game is so heavily left-sided for one team that the win expectancy is very high.
So what most pro players, or any high-rated immortal players will do is they'll generally pick left to right
to the extent that isn't griefing their team.
So you're picking left to right, but you're trying not to pick four midlaners, right?
You still want to try to pick four.
So you're actually trying to pick a balanced team and not the OP team.
Yes, please.
Fingert, good by Scam.
Which is me, though, and a fiendscape from Niko.
They want to still fight, it looks like.
4v5, safe.
Okay, likely will be the casualty.
So 1 for 1 unless Katoomi follows the dude,
but actually, we'll get shackles.
Tim's getting relatively low, Yopaj.
Fingers warmed up from that Topsin game
that we talked about, bringing it up
over and over and over again, of course.
Katoomi.
Shout out to Topsin.
One more right click.
And peer and flex.
One more tree, not enough.
Well, the stick is about the right flick. It is enough.
It got the tower got it.
That tree toss was perfectly aligned.
Good thing he warmed up his fingers in that Topson stream earlier.
Speaking of Topson, Natsumi.
It's about to get radiant.
A build that I think if Topson were to play it bad,
and probably would go for it.
He'd go mid though.
Now he would not go for it.
If he went mid he would go 4-4-0 and buy phylactery.
Yeah, he'd go something weird.
Somehow eblade would be far ahead.
Surely.
I am not...
This is pretty good timing though, right?
Yeah, this is a solid timing. I mean he's having a good game.
He's 3-0 and all, he has 100 CS, minute 13.
It's solid by a bad end standards by all means.
But I do think that boom have...
Stabilized enough that I don't really feel like this lead for OG is that meaningful anymore.
No pause, get the app, it costs, power shot, nice and pale though.
They basically stun each other as well.
Earth spike.
It's in pale.
Earth spike.
Climbs.
Bunk.
Into toss.
That are worse heroes to die from having fallen through you.
So battle clearing out for Tiratich.
Not bad, 13-30 after the Travis gift top lane.
This is a very good timing.
You died twice in succession in your safe lane.
I mean, you probably would have taken 14-30 later.
That's a nice compliment.
Shackle.
Another support kill for OG.
That's to me, I think this presence, no, this tower has gone to.
It's going to be a trait of Wisdoms.
I find in games like this it can often be very telling what axe is fine,
because I think this hero has very different approaches.
So Miara will go for the helm of the Dom into pipe
So not looking to play much on call blade mail. I get it like who you're calling ghost busters like
bad and
Bad and has how do you have so many movie references? Well, I know you haven't seen ghost busters
I think I had I doubt it. I was very young though
A bad and has is a bad target to blink all most of the time tiny me
It doesn't really do any damage into blade mail. So it doesn't matter much
Win for Endress is a port rather than a core.
So I like it.
I think this is one of those games where the flamethrower is just not very nice and you
maybe don't buy it whatsoever, the whole game.
You just go pipe and maybe you get a dagger to get the initiation of the call.
Or you could even play without blink, since you have puck, lion, and ursa that can jump
and you can just be an aura bot that locks in and presses call once in a while.
Get like pipe and crimson.
I honestly wouldn't mind that here.
will just play a different hero at that point. Yeah, that's right. But you picked Axe so now
you're dealing with it. You don't think he's good? Uh, he's all right. Axe has his games.
Is it just this game that the matchup's not particularly good? Yeah, I mean, OG went out
of their way to make it a bad Axe game, right? They put Windranger on support and they picked
Kariah there. That's about as much as you can stack the deck against Axe. Another one for
really nice and easy mega kill straight up you'll be going for the Manta into
likely I would assume a link to that guy yeah the most common builds are hang on
have a good do they have status card? oh that is unfortunate get plenty of time
to he was silenced by Puck yeah plenty of time to be silenced that's true and
that's why the storm didn't go off if he wasn't silenced there that is a
the kick
he had two seconds to place a very easy spell to hit that would have been
unacceptable from scamp
straight back to alchemist five you go with it
bios bag so we don't have to play with you
oh and nero unlucky
his creep gets stuck so the deny comes out for scamp
nice for him
sometimes in pressure oji will back off now though and actually gonna use the fiends gate looking for a backstab
nero
Level 12 now, but out of the birds.
In both games we've seen this Underlord, obviously different teams, but...
Being able to layer any sort of a stun in the pit is insanely effective against these melee heroes especially.
Yeah.
In particular melee heroes that don't buy DKB, just being stuck there for so long acts.
Eventually in this game is probably going to have to buy one to navigate fights, but that's going to be a while.
Here it is. It will be second item BKB. Sometimes you see the blink first if they're feeling frisky
and confident with their play. This is going to be my question for next to me, but I was
expecting the blink first for sure. But then will you go for the Bloodthorn? And
the answer is yes.
Gonna force Puck into a defensive item, of course, always nice.
I think that's an underrated thing for people in general when playing into Puck, it's the
value of just making Puck spend gold on defense.
It actually does a lot, nice, nice stun there, I would say, I'm still gonna die, but good
showcase stunning in the middle of toss.
Forcing Puck to buy, say, a Eul's or BKB massively delays the Parasma Poctrine
timing which is when Puck's damage starts becoming ridiculous. So even like let's say
it was almost the only value of the Orchid was to force Puck to buy Eul's I
think sometimes on its own that's almost worth it. Just pressure that guy to buy
something. Some of the games we've seen Puck completely run over was for
example there was a Nisha game UNI cast where he could go for offensive
items. Yep he literally just styled on them. I wasn't even close. You can
In CGPK here, standard stuff, he's going blink into the witchblade or vice versa, obviously.
And now he's queuing up the shard, which...
If this orchid from the bedroom comes out at the right time, there might be like a 3-minute
window where Puck actually doesn't even have an orchid.
So that could be really good at that point.
I'll take the big stone guy here, not much to write home about.
My main concern for OG is Yulpaj's net worth.
It's kind of safe, relevant.
This feels like the mid-tiny though, right?
They know what they were trying to get.
Keratich?
There's a lot of ways to get it.
It's like, white spirit.
Keratich.
Oh, Kinetic Field does not fight him, and he is gone.
Wow.
Damn.
That is unlucky.
Guest wrong and everything on skim.
Fortunate to escape there, Keratich.
If that glimpse comes out, he is toast.
TPK. Yo, Poc is gonna... Oh, he was under a ward.
But he has shield rune. And Aegis.
Oh, that's tough of a target you can find.
Will they get their own glimpse? They see Poc, but good luck.
Not gonna get him. He's out.
Timm's versus Save.
Save should be dead here. Yeah, he's dead.
He's actually leading them to Miarov.
Teepee's at the...
And this is a perfect timing for Tormentor, so...
Oh, geez.
Aegis and Tormy.
Nicely and methodically played.
Just getting the zone control when it matters, and they know this is why a bad is so good in this game.
It's exceptionally hard for Petun to approach by its internet zoomie when he's this strong.
You could think, well, they have, like, firstly, you know, they stack some furious wipes, they pop his full team, and they kill him a second time, but just firstly isn't that kind of hero until he gets BKB.
You can't force something out of the enemy team and then re-engage. You kind of have one go. Now with BKB, he might have two.
So that helps. It's going to be a shard on Tim's though. That is nice against a person with axe.
Gale Force. Very nice.
Yep, that's a very solid support shard, no doubt about it.
Flimmer on Katzomi. Also going to dodge the tree grow.
And he'll be out.
And Yopaj.
Only been involved in six kills so far.
One kill to his name. And that Sumi is doing the
to need care attention on he is found there's gonna toss on a bad I guess not
I mean if he'd seen the mini map like we can be a hundred percent would have done
that was not expecting a bear to be in that camp were you really worried about
losing a potential fight if you toss him in though you have that and you have
ages underlord can connect with the pipe I don't know if those ever a real
concern. Wow, Nero has the same net worth as Underlord. I'm impressed. I know he went
Dom. He's going Blink. After the pipe Dom, standard, didn't go for the full aura build
so still sees the value in threatening the Blink call. It makes sense for Ursa to have
a friend to set him up. I wonder who you want to call though. Calling Windranger is
It's not great, especially if she gets Windrun off, then you might not even kill her with Ursa.
You don't want to call a badden. You don't want to call Tiny, really.
He's too tanky and doesn't really deal any damage to himself.
It's really just not good targets, but you probably still have to get her, regardless.
Smoke from OG, looking for trouble.
If you borrowed time during Axe Claw, it doesn't actually take you off of there, right?
Right, the Avatar from Yopash.
Got the only glimmer though.
Gale Force brings him back, sentry reveal.
Dying some time.
Yopash will take it.
Oh, it was Yopash's own Yopash.
They've told him.
He wanted a style point.
So getting taunted on Abby,
you pop the ult, the ult works,
but you don't actually get fully dispelled out of the taunt.
if you can't control your but you
have to use
now, she has enough to make now
it's kind of late meals and I don't agree with that
and I just don't like it
all the time and radiance
how did he blink
he glimpsed
If he blinked, that was the worst blink of all time.
Well, but how would you blink?
The illusions were there for over two seconds.
Yep, that's what begs the question.
How did he blink?
First of all, without a dagger, and against disruptor.
It's a very good question how he blinked.
We're going to need to get the detectives on the case for this.
God, 24 minutes and get a blink for God's sake.
I'm taking my jacket off. This is affecting my cast now.
Cope all you will. Yeah, let's get a replay of that.
Let's use this Link Dagger here.
So clutch here. Go long and patient. It didn't even look like a blink.
that
that's what it's all about you want to be on one end
the glorious to be terrible by the way
it gets the clips
house on the top
thank you for that
or k lead for oji now
will this blink dagger be purchased
Well, he was, uh, he was queuing it up together with the Blade Mail.
He bought something to his career.
The Blade Mail, huh?
Going flack during that?
Okay, so no, no Blink Tagger.
Oh, interesting.
Okay, so he wants to go Kanda against Badden.
So they're planning ahead here.
They want to break up Badden and then silence him with Puck,
but you're still playing against Mantah.
So you got to nail that execution.
He's spotted, heritage, blinks in with his BKBs. Not enough damage,
so Starex Storm will do a couple of here as GBK.
In really deep, Tim's gets chopped by Miero.
Keta only continues to be chased by Natsumi.
That's a free support kill, so one for one.
And Miero is not able to blink because again, he does not have blink dagger.
Atlanche is going to stop him in his tracks along with the pit.
That is going to be a dead axe.
So OG come out ahead in this fight. Still tier 2's that they had to get through though.
I'll get this one, that's for sure.
Another minute until we know Roche. We learn his name.
So MKB, because of the radiance, radiance who wants to be able to kill Windranger more
reliably, you know, if he's important it helps.
It doesn't feel that great to buy MKB here, but it's probably, probably necessary.
It's interesting because you're not getting blinded anymore. It's just evasion for Abaddon
So if you're like go for the other three
That's interesting. I was not expecting mkb this game
If it was a Natsumi winner on earth, then sure. Yeah, then it's more of a no-brainer, but
But it's okay in terms of effective DPS flow, very meaningful.
The challenge still remains the same.
The big question mark for me for BedBoom is, how does Miero find any meaningful impact on
the game?
Like this axe has done in my eyes basically nothing.
And it's not looking easier.
And it's not because he's playing badly, it's just the hero is just not good here.
I've done a very good job at making Axe be miserable.
If you're sharing Axe and you don't buy Blink, you know the game is miserable.
Yeah, that's the problem, but I really get his mindset. That's why I was debating, does he just buy Pipe Crimson and not even play for the dagger?
And he's doing something obviously not the same, going for the condo.
But just recognizing that if we ever want to kill this Abaddon, we've got to find a solution.
Yeah, that's fair.
And OG, another support kill to their name, 6k lead, continuing to grow, and Roche is up.
And Tormentor a couple minutes away.
Do you feel like... so this is easy to say when you're watching a game like this, but
I said it earlier in the tournament as well.
I think a badden is a very good hero right now, and it's going to just seem more.
We haven't seen it that much, no.
I think this hero is going to rise drastically in popularity in Phase 2 of the group stage.
I just thought, huh?
Yeah, there's just a lot of the lane matchups that Baden actually bears well in.
You can pair him with all of the strong fives and just play most lanes for free.
You're tough to initiate into.
You're really good utility here in terms of what items you can buy and fight.
You're a carry that can buy Orchid and dagger and feel good about it.
You're hard to kill, so you can defend towers.
You're difficult to initiate into whenever there's an objective fight.
Like the way Dota is played right now, it's so much about contesting wisdoms, contesting
tormentor, contesting growth, and that is like, godlike in all of those positions, just
standing there.
Getting a break wall that is also farmed and dealing a lot of damage, sounds pretty good
to me.
Yep.
So, I mean, it's been, I feel like it's been very good for quite a while now, though.
Yeah.
What's changed, exactly?
I, um, I'm not sure why I fell out of favor.
Maybe there's some off things that we could do.
Okay, bottom. Niko, still fine save.
I'll go back where they came from.
Okay, it's just chilling.
I like they're just biting their time for Roche, which is now.
Yep.
And, yeah, it looks like Niko has Ags on the way as well, so he connects globally.
Very good against Ursa. If you can force either Enraged or BKB with just putting down your ult,
that already makes his fight 10 times harder. Ursa is very dependent on that staying power in the fight.
And...
What do you think about Aegis on that team?
It's telling me they want to go high ground here.
Yeah, I guess so.
otherwise they put the first one in tiny for a reason. That was the fighting
aegis. This seems like a pushing aegis. I guess that's true. They won't torment her
first though, and again, that boom can't do anything about this in minus. You just
have to give up all the objectives. I think it's not a completed Kanda coming
out now. I believe so. So opens the door for potentially killing a bad end
with Kanda plus puck silence, but you still got a deal with the Manta first
first if you want the silence to stick.
That's a big if.
And you're also hard pressed to keep him in place because you don't have dagger facts.
It's a lot easier to use your condo when you blink because then you can catch him, isolate him, and in the call you use your stuff.
Then you can't mantah.
That's fine.
Despite not having the Aegis want to fight it seems.
I want to show off this Kana, for Natsumi. I think it was just seen though.
Might have been.
If they were quick to click.
OG, they have a wave nearby. They could start poking right now.
Got the banner too. This is version number two. So, there it goes.
It's out of range, yeah, that was not...
It's kinda like the Siege Creek, though, that's the most important part.
Okay, that's fair.
Fortification not gonna do much, other than delay.
Bloodthorn at the ready for Natsumi.
I'm looking at any time, Yaro.
He's gonna show himself, there's the Condi usage, do they have to get me some parts
through him?
That's life number one!
Very nicely done from Vett Boom though, Keratich, Boston Rage, NBKB focusing
on a big fat Niko taking a decent amount of damage, but save is the one that takes the brunt
of OG's massive amount of damage right now.
You can see their network lead really showing here.
They're gonna force this save buyback to any reason to back away, obviously no Aegis,
but you still have borrowed time.
So basically everything.
Mission accomplished though.
That was a clean kill.
I know you lost your Lion and you had to buy back, but it wasn't gonna get much
easier than that.
As you say, maybe you should press the issue there as OG knowing now about the Kanda being
better prepared for it.
That's a good kill.
Staying tightly together though, pushing for some additional pressure up top.
I mean if you're OG with this combo now known, what do you think the best play
is to counter it.
Um, there's different options. You can buy Wind Waker on Tiny. I think that's pretty good.
Ursa doesn't really want to buy Nullifier in this game. If you already make him do that,
that's nice.
Well, get to Omi. Is he gonna get blinked by a scan?
Spotted.
There's the cancellation.
How did he blink while stunned?
Alright, it's never gonna get old, I think.
I don't think so either, unlike you.
Yeah, it's getting ancient by the day.
I mean, it's good to get old.
That's...
Well, it's better than being dead.
Yeah, that's right. You want to get old.
It's nothing the alternative.
The problem is, in like 50 years, they're going to have a solution for all of that.
You can stay young forever, and we'll be the last generation to die.
You think so?
No, because they'll end up killing each other, so it won't matter in the end.
But they can stay young while they do it.
It's a very positive outlook on the future.
Yeah.
And then cats can take over the world.
Cats will rule.
That's actually a positive outlook.
8k lead for OG.
They're gonna get the Tornad, sir.
What's that, Syndra?
Let's get back to worshipping animals.
Yeah, sounds good.
Okay, Scam dies.
Oh, no, Niko dies.
Excuse me.
Scam gets the Shard.
Alright, I find something.
Piratich can kill this Underlord pretty quickly when allowed to.
If they can chain stun, there's no protection.
He is the aura holder and he can't use them when he's stunned.
Now things are going to get a bit tougher yet again now, for that good note.
Losing the Torum to Scam, and now a badden has BKB.
So an additional challenge to get through.
But he can't pop that BKB if he's called.
So if you call, if you call and break him and silence him, he can still die.
Yes.
Yopas showing off some kill combo there, on to save.
That was a dieback.
So you got a bit of timing and they're going to use that to smoke.
They know that they're going to have a 5v4 for 30 seconds with Underlord globally able
to connect.
I mean, they have hacks, right?
So doesn't that work the same as, is that the silence?
Yeah, true. They also have the Hex.
This Hex condo, really.
They're right. They don't even need the poxons.
Hex condo's enough. Absolutely.
That's what they did up top as well,
but I think they layered it with the silence, too,
so I didn't really pay much attention to it,
but you're right, those two could do it.
They don't have enough damage, though.
You need Ursa every time.
Or you're not killing it that often.
It's a total order, but they've shown they could do it at least one time.
I feel like if this this might go three games we'll see but I feel like this game's gonna be long
if there's a game three that's gonna be long as well.
Alright I believe you you've been a good judge of it it's gonna end in the next five minutes.
Okay that's not what you just said.
I know but I'm cursing myself.
You're just catching your breath.
Wow this game's gonna be so long it's over in five minutes.
Well, by turbo standards, we are in the ultra-late game.
This is ultra-late, yeah.
How long is your average turbo game?
Like 25 minutes?
Uh...
20 minutes?
Yeah.
25, probably.
Okay.
It's actually pretty long.
Yeah.
What's the usual Jaquira inventory look like now?
Uh, Parasma, Hurricane Pike, Mjolnir.
Oh yeah, they played Jaquira differently in that one.
He's five-slotted at this point.
Yeah.
It's not sick.
Fascinating, here's the disc for Thames, protection and this is what we talked about with
Ursinad 1's into my nullifier, it makes this a very good item, they're going to find a
clone dragon, send a pack, that is the bigger one though, and that is going to force a buyback,
they cannot defend without him, 100%, that is huge, costly, bloodthorn in the stun
toss combo and just a ton of damage. Enough to take him out. And this is looking bad for
Bethbeth. The one thing stronger than Puck is my obsession with Puck. Always counter out
whatever I want. It's the same in the Falcons series I was talking about how Puck was like
20 and 3 in the tournament and then we cast the two next losses of the hero.
That's right. And Void Spirit sucks. Oh wait, when we cast it, it owns.
Yep.
Alright, one more Fort of Fitch for the Rogue for Batboom. They are going to lose this tower
finger of death on that soon, but he pops the BKB pretty much early.
Very early BKB, yeah.
But they will likely give this up.
Acropyton. Huh.
Oh.
Alright.
They're sending a message. This doesn't destroy wards though.
It looks cool.
OG are not going to back down until they get a buyback or a side, so a side it shall be.
20 seconds away for Ursa, you're definitely not expanding that now.
I actually, I really like this call from Betboom, I was saying they would have to buyback Ursa,
but I think this is a better idea.
I think his life is worth more than a lane of barracks at this point.
The problem is, if you don't get him to his next item, if you buy him back and
you hold that lane, you just get too overwhelmed by net worth eventually.
gonna have to give him the chance to get to six slots. It's gonna be tough, but try your
best. Hying up the refresher. Doesn't look like the most impressive Ursa inventory, I
I have to say, 40 minutes.
Who, Ursa?
Yeah.
It's not a feel-good inventory.
Yeah, I mean MKB, you kinda don't want on the hero?
Yeah.
You want Basher.
Like it's weird not seeing Basher at this point, Seiko.
He's gonna pop the smoke, a big pit on the two heroes.
He'll punch, jumps into the avatars,
but Kirito immediately with enrage.
Miro, he's getting Galeforce back into the pit.
DKB running away, but another pit comes in thanks to the ultimate from the Underlord.
Climbed too early.
And another pit on top, you cannot get away from the circles!
The green circles are too strong!
A Venn diagram of nothing.
Well, I don't think they were really connecting.
Like the last two were slightly overlapped.
They were just two circles.
Yep, slightly overlapped.
Yeah, that's about right.
Ten seconds away from Roche.
So, OG, once they see this, that will be potentially a 3-1 because of the BKBZ getting after BatBOOM, but it looks like they might still want to fight the Krippleman and BOOM right in top of the lion.
Save is gonna die, and Miura looks to be next. Focus fire upon him. Glypnir applied as well next to him. He does have to use borrowed time though.
He's happy to use it.
2 death for BatBOOM. No buybacks on either of them.
And I probably just go for buildings now avalanche just a little off so save did get enough money for his buyback
Few seconds ago apparently that was definitely not available initially
Either way one core down no way to get back in
Tower dead as well. It's so huge. They have oh gee do have to be a bit careful with the borrowed time
how much does he have left on it? 34 seconds, so definitely play this a bit slow.
If Niko can get the melee barrage by himself, Tim's actually focused fires the range.
Interesting choice. Fortification comes out and Niko looks like he can just take care of this himself.
And Beth will be resigned to giving up the second set as they wait for Miero.
OG in prime position. Rosh is up as well.
Might need to get a pick off before feeling secure enough, but
they do have all this map control on all these wards. Smoke down from Bethune, and they're actually faking it out. Look at this.
Very smart play.
Yep. Just gotta be careful on a bet on your half HP, so less scan pops to smoke.
Watch the smoke, there's the jump in onto the arc, the DKB for Yopaj, already half HP is the bear, meanwhile Natsumi focusing on the support, save, dead again, definitely no buyback this time.
Yaro pops the DKB as well as Berserkers' call, they try to do the combo onto Avedon, but the borrowed time comes back, and he's back to full HP essentially.
Keratich getting kited to a high degree, Natsumi stuck in a 1 vs 2, but Yopaj and company are focused on the bear, Keratich dead 90 seconds, GG is called.
And we're gone to a game number three to figure out who the hell continues here at Dream League.
What a god like a battered pig. That was so good this game. That's who me.
It's the game 15-0 and 2 on the safe lane bouncing back in a big way.
Yolpaj showing like when it's chronically wrong here with an 8-1-14 mid-tiny performance styling in the game.
But in our defense in terms of puck only died once on GPK
But didn't really have that much to work with the two sidelines in this game
I personally feel like just out strategize OG they counterpicked the offline axe Miro into the game 1 0 7 and 0
He got one singular kill on Axe
And on top of that the two dives on Kiritich at level 3 and 4 respectively
OG did a lot of things really well in this game and made it look easy
easy strategically and with plays they look unfazed by that game number one
perhaps the idea was just guys we're playing five out for fun and now it's
business this was a great game for them that's gonna be it's 15 and zero flawless
victory for him and we'll see in this next game to be very interesting this is
going over 60 minutes I'm just gonna call it now okay hundred percent there's
0% chance that's low.
That's first one.
We got the first one.
We'll find it.
Is that you clicking the button?
No, that was Jenkins.
If it doesn't make sense in the situation, it's Jenkins.
If it's just that's good to know.
Yes, the idiot on the panel is all about that.
I'm surprised.
He has a great shirt on.
He's your business partner, though, so who's the real idiot?
Dan, you got me.
Touche, my friends.
That's what I do.
Touche, indeed.
So yeah.
That boom looked not that great this game.
And it doesn't help that they didn't have an off-laner like you talked about.
And let's go to Sheaver and see what Jenkins has to say.
Well, we'll see what Jenkins has to say very...
You got to click it in just a second.
We are going to a third game as it was OG taking this one.
Hello Jenkins, what did you have to say?
It's not me on the soundboard.
That's obviously not true. You're clicking it right now.
Oh, okay, why would I why would I write that? I want to apologize to that one guy
that was really upset about me spitting water back into the glass. That was a
little too far. I took it too far there. Hmm. It's just like that boom took this
series too far. Did they know? Shut up, Jenkins! Alright Quinn, what's that? What do you want to say?
Nice job, OG! Let's go!
They picked Underlord!
Which has been losing this tournament, but they won this game.
And he beat Ursa in lane.
So, Poopoo won the counter pick.
Yee-haw for game mash up.
They picked this fairly early too, right?
There was a high priority Underlord.
Yeah, they picked two cores back to back.
They said, this is what we're playing.
Deal with it.
And Beppum could not...
Well, then, but then, no, but they didn't.
Because they picked the Windranger and they put a support.
Yeah, but it was a ploy.
Sure.
It could have gone both ways.
That was a great little swap from them, because everybody sees OG and they think, oh, here
we go, the Natsumi Wind Ranger again.
Nope.
He gets the Abaddon.
And guess what?
That was a fantastic counter to Axe.
And I feel like if you're forcing an Axe to go for a Pipe Rush full-actory build
on this patch, you're pretty happy with that situation.
You're just completely breaking the tempo that that hero wants to play.
I'm not really sure if that's a thing anymore that you want to do.
So, amazing.
But look at me for that question.
I'll pass it over to Brian.
No, I think the baton pick was great.
I think that they, no way they came into this game thinking we're going to pick a
baton.
Like in the first game they clearly were like we're going to pick these 5 heroes.
But in the second game they saw a line of baton and they remember what happened
Like, Natsumi, like, that was, like, seared into his mind what happened in Game 1,
where you're gonna get Lion-fingered, and the Game 1 is Beastmaster Ward and everything.
And this game is gonna be axe-called in Lion-finger.
That's not much more pleasant.
So, the Abaddon, I think, is pretty much the only hero in the game that single-handedly addresses that.
Like, you don't need to be saved.
You don't have save on your team. He's on the other team.
He's on Bethesem, yeah.
How do we feel about Tiny, then, after seeing that?
That's a dub for Tiny Man.
Where you won?
He won, but he didn't win. I feel like a bad and kind of like took this game and said yo guys
I got this one to put everyone else's backpack and he hiked his way to school and the unloaded his backpack and got all
A's because he was like 15 and zero he was clapping everyone
Can we say that he's upper cheeks instead of lower cheeks and that the lower cheeks were collapsed instead? Oh, yeah, sure
The upper cheeks
Yeah, I mean he he did okay at impact this game for sure
But I also think it's the kind of hero that when you're winning he looks good and when you're losing he looks completely
worthless
I also think the Beastmaster band went a long way to be honest
I think that boom kind of bungled this game a little bit whenever they don't have this Beastmaster
It's kind of an easy crutch here. We talked about it a little bit during the prior
Segment and I feel like that showed kind of in the game like that boom
They're kind of just floundering all game running around randomly dying it didn't really there wasn't really much substance to it
So for me on Moji, I'm like, you know, we bad in this hero, we pick what we want.
They played bad in them this game.
So it shows that they're not like full joke mode, but they are keeping up.
Yeah, OG looked solid with, as Brace, as you said, a different style of grafting for sure.
Bit reactionary. Where did, for you, that boom fall short?
So I really liked the axe pick when I saw it, because we were literally theory crafting.
Okay, you pick first against Underlord, but then you have a bad carry to carry a matchup.
And so then I said like, yeah, I really think they were thinking we need to give Windranger a bad game so that we can then pick Ursa and I almost
I'll just say this if I'm calling it, then OG probably sees it and I think OG crafted the literal perfect response
So I think that Beppu made a somewhat ballsy draft call like they did kind of put their cards on the table and they did kind of say
We're telegraphing what we're doing, but deal with it. And so I think the mistake they made was perhaps underestimating
OG. Yeah, respect in the flex. And that's not do that
That's the that's the strange part to me too is like they committed to it like you they saw Abadon when they picked Ursa
Yeah, like
You know that Abadon was probably picked to be a carry against axe and they still go for for the Ursa
Which is like, you know, you pick the axe so you can play against Wind Ranger,
carry, and then clearly the Ursa is no longer necessary there, like they could
have just gone for something else, but they committed to the idea, and then
they see something new and they still keep committing to the idea.
The reason that the Abaddon was actually, now that I remember watching the game
and thinking this is just a long time ago, the reason the Abaddon was so good
is because axe can apply literally zero pressure to you, even with no support.
So that allows Disruptor to go through the gate and just completely ruin Kyrgyz's game so
When you have that heart of a lane counter it can very quickly in competitive place
No ball into two lost lanes
And I I think that game would have looked different if Kyrgyz didn't die those two times
And he only died because there's 3v2 in his lane and it was just a really smart move by OG
They took advantage in every way they could so with that in mind in the loss of two side lanes
And apparently Tiny is supposed to do bad against Puck. Why did GPK not, you know, help out save the day because it's GPK Puck
He's supposed to be the best Puck in the world
Did not deliver. I mean to be honest. It's like not that good of a Puck game
Underlord is while he doesn't stun Puck like there's two things that are good against Puck
Obviously like stuns are good because Puck is a slippery hero
But the other thing that I would argue is that even better against Puck is just being hard to kill and
And Underlord at Badden, if you ever blink in a Witchblade to guide, the Witchblade gets purged.
Underlord presses Pipe. Like you can't actually chip them down because your damage keeps getting shrugged off.
And so stuff like that is often times the much better counter to Puck.
They've got Glimmer Caves, they've got all the survivability.
So it doesn't actually have the damage to do it Puck typically does, which jump on the support,
either kill them from full to zero, or chip them to like 20% HP and you keep doing that and like playing these longer fights.
Like they can't do that because they're all dying for fast, first of all, and they can't like outlive the Pipe duration.
Well, it sounds like, you know, the solution for this particular game in a vacuum came down
quite simply, didn't respect the flex, you know, Windranger kind of threw a wrench in
there by not being the core.
So for VB Team, it should be easy to bounce back Jenkins.
I think so.
I think it's possible.
I mean, I just don't know if a hero like Ursa will work against OG.
They're too fast.
They're too good at doing these cheeky early game plays where they kill you before the lane
creeps even meet, and like you said, go through the portal with the support and 3v1 the carry.
Ursa needs too much time to come online, and by that point, OG had already started snowballing
the game.
I just want to comment on Ursa because he's received a decent amount of changes in the
last few patches, most notably the shard, going from giving him a miniature in rage
to being three Fury Swib Stacks.
At first it seemed nice on paper, but I will say when you're Ursa in like a, like if you're
like kind of middle of the packed net worth, if you're not like at the top, it feels really
awful to play Ursa right now because you just don't have alternatives to survive.
You like pretty much have to ulti right at the start of fights if the enemy has any amount
of damage.
And in the past, you had kind of that buying of time from the shard that really made
fights easier to navigate.
So I think Ursa is even more of a snowball hero than he was before.
I agree.
So I just you talk about OG being a fast team, but those those laning stage games
I just can't besides enough they ruined cure ditches game. Yeah
All right
I'd also say that was probably not playing clean enough right now to play a snowball lineup like even the game one
They won it was a messy game like they won also a lot of fights
It was a pretty long game
It was back and forth throws and then eventually I think they won because their draft is still a bit better
I think a game where they don't have the ease of execution
I don't think they're playing clean enough to actually play the style of the I also think caretich as a player is better suited to
Being a late game carry having the good game matchups and not like he's not a slow-mall player
It's not him if you don't play clean then you got play simple like did it with a piece master in that first game
Let's see if that boom can do that in game three or potentially og and we'll take it instead the final game of this series
The decider on who moves forward this dream leave coming at you
What the fuck is this?
Oh God!
No!
Everybody keep jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your crew
They know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life, just give me the beat
Just give me the beat, I just wanna do my freedom
Oh, it's Shady Vopper
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just wanna do my freedom
Oh, it's Shady Vopper
Stop it!
Where'd he go?
Holy shit!
You rock!
What the fuck is this?
Where'd he go?
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am turning away every night
It's the one thing I fear
I don't know if this is a dream
No, I don't want to live it up to you
This is the day that I must say
And if I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough
I don't know if this is a dream
No, I don't want to live it up to you
It all went wrong
Why was he there?
Enough, I don't know why
But it's over now
Now so that you're saying that I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we spent together far away
Now the distance we sink in the world we don't speak
We all step in the same path
I have no choice
I have no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
All I know
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say
Come on, I'm walking in
Enough, enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
You guys seen this?
That was sick.
Let's see the end.
You guys seen this?
We're gonna go!
Enough!
Ohhhh
I don't think we're gonna be able to do this
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
We're gonna...
Welcome back, you are welcome!
of the day final game of group stage one incoming and it is one team only that can move forward
here for the next group stage either bedroom or OG it's a message three in series is tied
right now so game three coming your way and for game three got something special from
a panel inspired by a suggestion that Quinn gave actually you will not see for a little
Don't worry. We'll put it up afterwards, but we will not see who's who in the draft because that's gonna be guest
but not people
But I think it's gonna be pretty easy. I think so too
But I think it'll be fun to just have that not be there. Yeah, so we can be honest with ourselves
We don't bias by the team logos and we can give our a real feelings about the draft
Oh, you want to have it the whole we can have it on the whole draft
I think it's kind of cool and then reveal it at the end
We can have that the whole draft right you can nod in the camera if you can do that
I believe so, yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you.
And apologies for people that are not entertained by the thing that we find entertaining,
but we find this incredibly entertaining because we only just got the buttons working, and
they haven't worked for us before.
It's really funny.
It's too much power.
It's a lot of power.
We should not have this power.
We already have the power to start lobbies.
We do?
Yes.
We do?
Oh, yes.
Castors always are the ones that...
Oh, I see.
He's hiding behind the desk right now, but he's like I don't want to start yet. Where's the game for a story really is
Enduring us. Yeah, we're sendering worse yet. He's just not starting the game. Good question. Where is he?
We find them
Where is he? Oh
There is fuck is going on. What?
Chill man. Why don't you start the game? Come on. I do think so but before I guess done already
What's up, Interrupting and Sandeep?
I'm going to go ahead and cast the game.
Now we've seen both teams obviously win once and it was very different games than what we saw.
Going into game three, do we have a favorite?
I kind of feel like before the series started, I mean obviously it would have been OG
because they did 2-0, Bedroom earlier today.
Are we still with that?
Yes, I am.
I agree. I actually think OG is playing better.
And I think what the draft is always like, it's always up in the air.
You never know how it's going to turn out.
But I think, assuming they don't get thrashed in the draft, I actually think OG is playing, they're playing better right now.
They seem more confident and the gameplay is like more cohesive.
Yeah, something changed from OG yesterday and today, like it feels different.
Even though the game, I think the game one was kind of a mulligan. We'll just ignore that one.
The game one was OG doing OG things. You always have that like OG in mix of
SEA chaos that's in there where they're just vibing, but they're also a,
Like this is a killer team at this point. They've actually made it very far into a lot of the previous tournaments
Actually, I know I was up with OG yesterday, Brian
and you were alluding to it probably,
you would have meant that it was Kim's birthday,
so everybody was very distracted.
Oh, that hungover.
Probably.
Yeah, maybe they celebrated it the day early.
You know, you celebrate just past midnight is what you do.
Hang up late, knocking out late.
Yeah, I could see that with these boys.
But I think they're the type of team
that they get thrashed in game one.
They're not going to take the lessons.
This is not the young SDA squad
that we've seen for so many years where they just do the same thing again and again, like
this is the SCA magic mixed with OG magic and discipline and good coaching staff and
the ability to actually like recover.
So I don't think game three, they're going to go back to like the, we're just going
to pick Alchemist, position five experiment, like throw the game.
I think they're going to have a strong draft and they're playing better.
I think it's on that boom to respond to this if we see an alchemist later on in the draft
Which team do you think it'll be Jenkins?
I mean Kira ditch does like flying his I'm saying I'm just saying like would you be
Convinced it's o.g. That picks it. No, since we don't know no
I would it would depend on the other heroes because I also am not like yeah
Oh scam of course known for his alchemist like that's not a scam to you guys
I like how we keep the draft ambiguous, but isn't it gonna be so obvious?
I've seen, I think it was OG when they first picked, they banned the Husker.
They don't have this stuff.
Don't study this stuff.
That's metagaming, sheevs.
I'm not studying, it's in my head.
What about Viper?
How come all these things are ignoring Viper now?
Yeah, seriously, where is Viper?
Holy shit!
Fuck!
Oh, there he is.
Ryan, let him speak, please.
He was trying to...
That's messed up.
Say something about Viper.
Yeah, continue.
That's fine.
My points were ruining it, man.
I feel like it's not a great offlaner and you're shoe-harding yourself into a mid viper,
which is punishable, and the benefit of picking that hero in the last two to three weeks was
the fact that it could be flexed, but it's just looking worse and worse on offline position.
By the way, I just want to make sure that Sinnerin shouldn't get all the hit.
It's not the reason why we can't start the game right now.
It's actually Steam that's causing a little bit of an issue.
Just uh, you know, you don't need to pitch for no don't get
AK-47 sounds out just yet
Just yes go of course. Yeah, that's what that's what
Hey, we can do it we can make people vote in which one they like best yeah, so that one
Hey my foot!
It's stuck!
Wait where's the foot?
On the right side!
Oh my gosh, he's stuck!
Somebody help her!
It's actually the same pants and shoes I was wearing.
Yeah, it is.
Where'd we go?
Why don't we leave the foot there?
Slopper foot, see if it goes off the screen, Brian.
Oh yeah!
Run it back, run it back.
Where'd he go?
That was quite good.
We are like four people discovering the basics of green screen.
It's been around for like 50 years.
How have people not been using this Crab Boy?
It's so funny.
We didn't record stuff like this in the past.
I don't think I've ever seen this at an event.
I thought I missed out on the media day.
So I couldn't even get the recording.
You know what we could do while we wait?
And I wonder if we have no I wonder if we have the technology for this so bear with me here
But I would love to see the actual groups because some people sometimes tune in only halfway to the day
You know you come back from work. You have your food you turn on there your evening entertainment with some Dota 2
That is hopefully coming soon. You don't know what's been happening all these time, you know
It's Friday. This is the first time they have chance to watch some Dota 2, but of course over the next a
A9 days, Math, 9 days you'll be able to watch Dota every single day here with Dream League.
And you need to know which teams you can expect to see and which teams you won't be seeing.
Can we talk about Group B first?
I think personally, I would say this personally for me was Group Death.
Yeah, yeah I agree.
I mean honestly, I think the only thing that's a surprise is Mouses did way better
than expected because they were in a big slump recently. Like, I think they way over-performed
expectations. Yeah. And Navi was in the finals, literally less than a week ago. Yes, but I
think you cannot expect anything from this team at any tournament. Like, I think they
have the potential to get top two, top three, and they have the potential to get literal
last because I think they're just like, they're placed that was just hyper inconsistent.
And like, I don't know, I feel like you see it every game for them. One game they're
owning, they're beating the best team in the world, the next team they lose to
like literally anyone it's just they're just waiting because it's right up well credit to to must indeed
to come climb out of their slump also Quinn I do want to you know remind you what you said about
tundra you know what okay it's a good and group stages okay they're good and group pages there the
client will come late you stop think winter is coming they do three loss this more than normally
get yeah winter is coming white walkers they're storming the wall right in the north
and tundra are the Starks and we all know what happens we do we all know what
happens there apart from you you haven't seen the rest of the show I have been
spoiled shiver I follow you on Twitter I thought you want to watch a game of
Thrones episode on the computer no what you guys seen this okay I'm gonna go to
the computer do something fun yeah you do that you do that where you going
I'm going to the computer do something fun shever. What are you doing now? I don't know. What is okay?
I'm curious now in here no pressure though. I have a better be fun. I have something
You do just wait
This is a great question
No, he's not of course you can't be up there. He's right there. Yeah, all right. I was a stupid. Oh, there's no keyboard
Where did he go?
I didn't know I was in the rear end.
Can you push your foot off, Jenkins?
Oh, yeah, I got it.
I can do it.
Somebody is watching World of Warcraft on here.
Watching it?
Or playing it?
What the fuck is this?
I do have a slight update.
The servers are recovering.
So we should have our Dota game very soon.
But I also...
Jenkins wants to show up.
Rage?
What is Jenkins with his teeth?
We're ready.
Ready?
OK, cast your computers.
Let me tell him to go to the cast your computer.
I get to be in the lobby.
Oh, they're in the lobby.
That's like right on our table.
Look at that.
That is almost right on our table.
I do feel like the start of it almost
looks like he's coming out of the pool.
He kind of does, yeah.
Wait, OK, let's do a quick look.
Let's do what I have planned here.
Okay.
Uh, can we?
Computer, can we load up my computer please?
Computer?
Load up Jenkins computer.
Yeah, let's load it up.
The laptop here, do we have the technology?
Oh, where are we?
I'm so bad at this.
But, can we go back?
Can we go back?
I would say...
I need to see it.
It's obviously on the south side of the equator.
Is it because I have HBO Max ad on here?
Yeah, you can't, you can't.
Not sure.
Too bad.
I'm lucky.
Can I guess?
Argentina.
I can delete it.
Ticket.
It's Argentina.
Argentina.
Ticket.
Click it, Jirgans.
I'm sorry, I'm trying to delete the ad
so we can show it.
Ticket!
Click what?
Argentina.
Are you good at Geogaster?
No.
I'm so bad at that.
Where in Argentina?
Uh, the north part.
I do! The north part.
Uh, it was not in Argentina. It was in, uh,
uh, let's see.
Was it at least South America?
Near Bangladesh. What country is that?
Close.
What is that?
What is that? Bhutan? What is above Bangladesh?
Oh, it's India.
India is above Bangladesh?
He's also in India.
It's how good we are.
I do, I am amazed every time I watch Theogas, because it's really actually really fun to watch.
And they actually also made these ports out of it. It's really fun.
It's like, the grass is the type of shade that you would only find in this one particular quarter of the world.
Let me find one without ads.
Yeah.
It's mad.
The rainbow clips are like absurd.
He's like someone sends a picture of like an atom and he's like, oh no, that's a Portuguese atom.
Okay, I have one without ads.
We can use this one.
Can we use that one?
Oh, that's easy. Come on. Let's give us a shot. Load up the computer. I'll make it hard
for you guys. I'll just give you a... I'm not going to move it and you can guess. I'll
give you a hint that it's very easy. This is not easy. It's just a black screen.
Oh. This is not you. Is that Italy? Close.
Or a Portugal.
Is that Greece or no?
I'll slowly turn around.
Electric?
What does it say?
You want me to zoom in on that?
Is that a double-decker bus?
What does it say?
100% electric.
That looks like the UK, but it will go down a little bit.
Down, down.
Down?
Are you sure?
Ponte de Lina.
OK, that's Paris.
That's France.
I'm assuming he's panning to the Eiffel Tower or what?
Yeah, that's it.
Oh, that is a parry.
That's a tough one.
That was a tough one.
That was a parry.
We have to get this exact...
Where is the Eiffel Tower?
Close to the...
Charles Elysees?
Oh, I think it's here.
It's on the Charles Elysees with the stupid roundabout.
Oh, that's the Arc de Triumph.
It's on the other side of the Arc de Triumph,
with the same road.
It is.
They really stacked that area up.
They really did.
Where are we going to put all of our monuments?
It's all on the same road is it the Google map that I use usually has it's literally at the bottom their tower Eiffel
It says it down down down. Oh
Okay, wait wait wait wait. Oh, so it's not in the same. Let's get the exact road though. Like let's look at the exact road
haunt
haunt deal
Dill whatever that fuck delay
So let's see oh here here which side of the road are we on left side as in bottom side south side right here
no the south side dummy yes house there right there right there yeah right there
boom five thousand points oh dude you missed it by like my bad oh yeah I
think I know where this is you gotta show off yeah help oh it's alright it's
not a showing no okay if you're what the next guest geogester that's a
mosque is that oh look at those guys those are cops don't recognize can we
travel rubbery oh okay come on that you make it obvious UK what is that I don't
know what that is wow that's funny is that like Moscow or something it's
Moscow that's the red square I heard her laughing so yeah I if you if you know
there's a lot of red buildings yeah the red building
there's one red no go bottom left like right there the red squares are in the
middle of Moscow make great thing yeah red square it's on your screen that's
what it is is it where top of your map that you're on right now thank you but
we have not died it's outside the Red Square St. Basil's Cathedral that's the
red one. So we're probably on this side here, yes there. No. Ah, you're wrong. That's close enough.
5,000 points, Shiva. That's not wrong. You're on the North side. At the most points you can get,
it's 5,000. You're half a mile away. I guess this is UK. Yeah, this is on the Thames. Yeah.
Isn't it Thames? What's that? It is Thames. Oh, I thought it was the Thames. Oh, those are
British people. Look at that guy. He's British.
Yeah, he looks British.
What about him? Did you think he's British?
He's balding.
Look at the side. Oh, that's the... Okay.
Okay.
So now you should easily be able to get where we are.
Is that the Golden Gate Bridge?
Yes, that is the Golden Gate Bridge.
You are absolutely right.
Yup.
Yup. That's it.
London Bridge Hospital.
Golden Gate Bridge Hospital?
Yeah.
This is a really tough one.
I don't know.
That's the Big Ben Bridge.
What kind of... What kind of geogas are you playing?
that these are, you know, every single one of them has a lab mark.
We are applying GeoGuessr, not just me, it's a we in this.
Okay, but how do you guess one that only shows lab marks?
I don't know, I picked a stupid person one.
Is GeoGuessr for toddlers?
This is, Shiver, I'm logged in and this is just what my rank is in GeoGuessr.
Oh, yes, I'm sorry.
Buckingham Palace, there it is.
No, it's one of these bridges, right? Which one is it?
Well, good, just go find the hospital.
Here's the London Bridge. Oh, that's a good point.
They're there probably yeah, so I think it's that one
We're all my god
Jenkins
The bridges are so cool
There's a lot of pyramids which one of the pyramids is it I think that serves I'm gonna go to the community maps here and see if I can oh
Oh, Canada! I can do Canada. Let's do-
That's gonna be insanely hard.
You can't do it just within Canada.
Popular maps.
Just as an update, we're still waiting for game 3 of OG vs BedBoom, and we will get that to you when the servers stop pooping themselves.
Okay, I have one. This is-
No way!
Oh, it is-
So it is-
That's so funny.
That is really funny.
As soon as we start the game-
I have a I have a we are doing the capitals of the world. So these are these are capital cities
Is Cairo capital?
of Egypt
Maybe
I have no idea Nairobi
Is that coca-cola?
Alatard. Oh, there's a lot of africans if you're a ceviche. So that is a
South America, Lima?
Wait, is that French or non?
Oh yeah, it's South America or Mexico.
You can do post there.
Remember, this is a capital.
Yeah, so I'm thinking Lima.
We were in Lima.
Maybe, well maybe there's a Lima.
Maybe Mexico City.
Could be Mexico City.
Drive from Mexico City, Jaggedon.
I feel like Mexico City would put us in some bougie looking area.
But it's random, you can travel anywhere you want, right?
Is Mexico City even the capital of Mexico?
I don't know.
Good question.
Alright, where are we guessing?
Mexico City.
This could be, this could be like Bolivia.
Bolivia one minute to drop by the way guys are almost saved from our horrendous geographics
She want to help Shannon chance here. I'm gonna try to help
Cocktails. Oh that could be next to our tails
Why don't you not move more is it hard in that game? No, it's just cheating. No, it's not. Yes it is
Oh look, uh
Have any the go further we need to find this time or something look there's a sign on that building
Why don't you go there and turn around look at the sign eating shiver which sign yeah, it's more to your right
You got to move further it does not look like Norway production
Turn around Toyota that's all this under the yeah, I want to see that sign
Oh, that's a good idea. What's that guy got on his phone? What's he reading? Oh?
That's a great idea shiver. Look let's see
Oh
190 DBS does ST dot ST where what currency dot ST which country is dot ST that's saying Thomas
Okay, you got to tell the results Jenkins. We have a draft. Yeah, I'm gonna guess I'm gonna guess prog
Paraguay we were
We were like thou told me and principal principal. Yes, what that?
Let's take a look at the draft just a reminder in case you're just tuned in we do not know which team is on which side
We've got Largo versus ancient apparition page separation first big coming back. It's also 100% win rate by the way
Thank you son son. Hmm. He's he's spoiled. He doesn't realize it would have been pretty apparent anyway. Yeah
Yeah
It will it will most likely be og on the left
I mean this a in response to Largo is interesting because well
He did
Why would you say I don't think he understood the game. Oh
Well, we count production you can put up the if you think if Sunspen already spoiled it
You can put it up. Mind you if we are gonna remove the tea or move the teams back up
We will have to take it all off screen for a second before they're dobbling down
That's a pretty interesting conceptual counter to the Largo though, to just pick AA like that.
Because we've seen teams just, like we even saw OG experiment with like clinks, like a single target physical damage guy,
but now they're doing the single target magic damage guy.
You know the high swooner right here on the game versus Largo right now?
AA, June.
Same sense. Just the same reason though.
It's just anti-healing. You pick the guy that's gonna heal and save his entire team and you just say,
Nope, you're not doing that a similar concept except from support position
Yeah, this most part about it is they can just flex the Largo support and then you have a which is not generally considered a very good
Hero as long as very weak his ability to fight early game is very weak and if he falls behind he becomes
Quite a kitten especially if you pick things like lichen or random summons that make his life actual hell
I think the three of us should shut up for a second and consult the a expert shiver. I agree
What's why what's what do you think about the zero how many games a you have like a thousand yeah
Not as good as these people
There was heavy. It's heavily reliant on hitting your ultimate. Okay, what fast
Yeah, you can do that
What what fast and do you take shoot? Oh, what I take exposure, but what pros don't do that? Okay?
Okay, even though teeth up would like people to do it is exposure the one that makes your coffee day
We yes, but it's not that good on the line and obviously pros put more stuck in winning the lane
So they go for the death frame facet which reduces strength more
Okay, and on the light I mean on the lady still just okay. Whoa. Are you kidding?
When did they make that that's what that is that is so high they made that off the TV board
That is some as tier culture panel logos made of beads
very cool
It is I still I still like
But it's not been as successful as some other supports. I've not been picking it as much because I feel as good
Wow, so how did they pick gyrocopter like this? I I feel like because they're afraid of enigma
That's why like you ban like in and the only other summons hero that I'm thinking about at that point is
Enigma like I mean I guess beast, but it's already out like what else?
What else would destroy an AA in lane with summons?
Like this is effectively dealing with the ones that are left.
And you can also just play it as a support, worst case scenario, then you have gyro AA
support, it's a bit sus.
That was definitely worst case scenario.
Yeah, that is worst case, but it is a scenario, that's for sure.
Yeah, I mean, I think, I do think it is just to sure if the lane, it should be
scared of how the lane goes, but I don't think those heroes have great synergy.
They're both kind of big DPS bros, neither one really helps each other.
like A wants Lockdown, Gyro wants some of the walk-in from him, like he wants like a Tusk
or an Ogre or someone to start fights so he can spray everyone down, A kind of wants similar,
so when you pick back the back heroes that don't help each other can cause problems.
I was thinking Tusk was really good for them, so I think it's amazing support duo synergy
and I also think it's nice with Gyrocopter.
Then you just run the Tusk safe lane, AAS the 4.
Yeah, I mean I think it's worth considering at least, it's such a strong lane.
You go to the drinking buddies and buff your Gyro by 25 damage.
I guess Clockwork also is up there for heroes to run in and make space free.
Also sets up for the AA, actually, that wouldn't be too bad.
It's not the most reliable AA set up, like it's fine, but people, you don't, the only
problem I think about compared to like Tiny, like Tiny being the, I think the premier
AA combo is that like four staff counters AA and then Clockwork and Tosca are kind
of both countered by four staffs.
Okay, they are past primal though
I think the real problem here is they want that melee for like they're talking about like this clock or tusk on OG side
But you're playing it a jacquero a hero that you can't really pull waves against because you kind of you kind of
He's eating dried mangoes
What about mangoes? So jealous. He's eating dried mangoes. Oh shoot that crap is so good. And that's actually the
I think it's the Filipino brand the I won't say the brand name, but I believe that's a very S tier brand
Oh, yeah, that's a famous one. Yeah, I've not had that brand
Yeah, I mean, these subs are very papery, Lyon does give you the control, which is nice,
but he's that similar situation of Lyon wants to play in the fringe of the fight, not super
run-ins.
You've got one primal who's going in, but before BKB, you don't have much that's in
the way of manly aggressive heroes.
It's a lot of skirmish, so if you fall behind an OG, you can run into problemos.
They're so baiting Nero, like, you want to play a summons hero, come on, do it.
But they're not taking the bait. It's not good against Gyro.
Looks like he probably will be the Largo.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean they could stuff like Harry Winnager, play 4 Largo and then pick another offlaner.
That's true.
Not fully set in stone, yeah.
I mean they did get debated by the Windranger in the previous game. They might want to do the debating themselves.
Yeah.
I mean the Ember pick is very solid. It's good against all of OG0s.
And because they lack those heroes that can go in and give you that oomph, Ember can kind of just space you and he can poke these guys, change them, and you've got a lot of follow-up between power shots,
Akira spells, like he's a lot of crap and garbage there, and OG's heroes are quite squishy and there's no pipe fire between them, so that poke is very, very effective.
Damn, they actually banned out Ember Spirit.
Thinking that Yopaj would...
No, that's a Stabric Ember ban, yeah.
Sorry, sorry, they banned Huskar.
which is not very common for teams against OG.
Yeah, I thought Jopaj, I mean, does he really not want to play Primal against Ember? Is that really bad?
It is not good, like the lane is fine, but the game, like the fights and skirmishes are kind of bad, generally.
Holy shit, you're waiting, you're waiting for that one.
I mean, the remaining Jopaj Ember counter is Slaughter.
You also play that is that an amber counter? I mean, yeah, I think so. What do you think Quinn? It's fine
It's fine. It's nothing crazy. I think it's like it's okay
It's like a filler pick for your draft. You've got needs it and it's nothing wrong with it
So it's not gonna get out of question something you might slow the rain cushion, but not yeah
You'll use for the rain pressure what it would make you like it Jenkins because you were the one that called out the sorter
Well, I also don't think it's like some
Epic gotcha, you know, like it's not like Huskar level by any means, but it does it does good against ember
And it gives you objective taking it's just a it's just a
The remaining hero that does well against ember that your polish has played. That's that's it
They threw the band
Yes, what's what you played it right after they banned it. That's what I thought you were playing it for
Yeah
You literally did it like
If you were waiting for that I just felt the urge
You and that boom team both man. Yeah, all right. Let's see we got willow a TA banned by OG
So they are also still respecting that that could be a flex pick coming out and it is that boom
Of course that gets to choose what they're going for and then those means they have to reveal if it is a flex or not
Before OG it gets their overall last pick
in some investment in a different camera is this is the worst quality camera and
we have two guys sitting on it
it looks like a different person right out of that that's a case yeah it
doesn't look like safe either is that you're right that doesn't
all right so this is a last pick coming out from bedroom what do you want them
to do on the side of OG.
Wow, they go for the harder counter than Sardar to Ember mid, but still I don't think
you're devastating Ember with this matchup.
No, no I don't think so.
Not against GPK anyway, against the worst laner.
You might be able to eke some big advantage out, but I think between these two players
to be honest, GPK is just a better laner, so I think almost regardless of matchup
unless you push mega ultra counter picked him, I think GPK would be fine.
Well we did say that for this series we found that OG played a little better than BedBoom
did and so we hope for BedBoom that they would pick something that is relatively easy
to execute so that they can rely on that because they're not playing the cleanest and we feel
like their lineup can achieve that because it doesn't look like an easy to execute lineup
but that might just be me.
Yeah, so if you wouldn't look at me because I don't want to be a pessimist here but
But I feel like it is quite difficult to execute.
Kez is a very hit or miss hero and it's not a free Kez game by any means.
They have AA to stop the healing bullshit that comes out of the Kez ult.
They have Lion disable, even Primal against Kez.
You can disable him through his BKB.
I feel like this is an easy, like the game is in OG's hands to throw.
They have really good team fight, really good disable, really good answers and probably
better late game too.
Brian thoughts?
Yeah, I mean I'm just a little bit concerned about OG's safe lane.
Like I think Gyrocopter is a decently strong laner, but if he's not allowed to like bully
them then he can't see us reliably.
Like that's just kind of Gyro's problem if the flax like not enough and since A is
pretty weak.
But overall I think OG's got the better draft.
Well I played A against Windranger on lane today and it was terrible.
That's what I was thinking is like Windranger is also a strong laner.
That could be a skill issue, but there's only one way to find out.
That's true. Any final thoughts? Quick.
Um, I'm of opposite mind. I would much rather play Batboom, but I do think Logo vs. A is somewhat worrisome.
That's the question mark for me. I think the real kicker for Batboom is that they're made skirmish much better.
If they're 3v3'ing around mid, I think they'll probably make it clap.
So, if you can dodge that and play around A, then I'm a believer.
Play around the AA.
No, that's fun. We don't get to see that every day.
We don't get the first pick.
A or A second pick.
AA every day.
Very curious to see how this game will play out.
And of course, only one of these teams will make it through
to group stage 2.
OG or Bed Boom.
Let's find out what's happening.
Well, the game started.
That's what's happening, Cheever.
And it's game three. It's elimination.
One of these teams is...
I was gonna say going you're gonna stay home
And the other team is also gonna stay and they're both staying calm actually so this doesn't matter other than a
Lot more money and a lot more EPT points and a lot more practice and a lot more glory and a lot more pride and a lot more
Bottles of urine. I don't know where we're going with this, but I don't know either
Smoke's on both sides. Oh gee versus bed boom game three of
tiebreakers
the only one for this group stage.
Oji going for a little bit of a deviation here.
We'll get to that in a second, depending on whether anyone's gonna find each other.
Doesn't seem like it, smoke breaking, but dodging awaits the side is Niko.
I was pointing out in the last many games of Oji we've watched,
they have been running one melee and one ranged support,
and then they've always run ranged carry,
except last game where they ran melee carry, but then ranged five.
This time around they have two ranged supports. This has not been their recipe in most games
They do have a melee frontliner in the Primal Beast
But a lane like AA Gyro has some vulnerabilities against getting overrun, especially against tower dives. AA is
exceptionally weak
So it opens up for some potential for gate plays from the supports of Betboom
To cross over with the Wind Ranger early or with the Chikiro early depending on how they lane in there
We've got to play the jacquero top
Kez is not the easiest hero to leave alone though
So maybe oh gee could keep him
stuck up there
You keep your mind oh gee has to win
If they win this it'll be four out of five games. Yeah against the same team
Yeah going out here and if you lose this game you won the series three two sin
but you will be unfortunately out of the tournament.
Yeah, so if you missed the start of today, OG entered the day 5 and 7 in the groups,
and Betboom entered it 7 and 5.
So in order to force this tiebreaker, OG had to win 2-0 in the regular game.
They did.
And the team they got a tiebreaker against was the exact same,
so that's the only team they're tied with.
So this is their fifth game in the last couple of, I want to say, 7-8 hours.
It's been a long day, they had to wait for a series in between.
Got some time to think about their mistakes, did bit boom, and...
rectified it in game one.
Then they got...
OG punched back in game two, and now here comes the final decider.
Now this is the one good thing about laning with Gyro as AA.
As the panel established, AA ain't not the best laner.
Gyro, however.
One of the best.
So he can perhaps make up for some of AA's shortcomings in the first couple of levels.
Main concern is the rotations once again. How are you going to deal with visitors?
Early on in the mid lane, Yopaj on the Earthshaker 7-6 versus GPK Ember 8-1.
Yeah, should be a shaker favorite there overall.
What the horse happens here?
Well, I hope Gyro reconnects.
That'll be the good good ending. That's always an answer. I guess you can go
Should be at sound effects for that's probably what Jiro would do if he didn't have his machine
You think so huh nice comes across like a little bit of a crazy Marine kind of guy
But he's got a helicopter
Marine would be cool character for the game. I don't want to actually had that hero at some point
What a marine for a brief period of time
Yeah, I
I don't remember if it was like just a bad designer, if it was completely broken, and it got roofed, but I think it was in there for a short while.
Well, Matsumi has played a different hero in every single game. He's going to get licked into the frog stump.
We'll be okay.
And Skim, as the panel kind of mentioned, the Ice Blast this game against Miero specifically is going to be very important.
But also against the Kes, not bad.
For multiple reasons. First of all you can't heal with raptor dance, that's one thing.
But the other one is also Kaz is one of those heroes where sometimes you get him very low
and he gets all his stuff off and then either he survives or you die.
Having that final bit of a kicker can be really nice.
Against that hero.
The percentage is...
Oh.
Good damage, but he'll live.
One of the better heroes at killing the homing missile windranger.
Yeah, that's true.
Yes, she said this lane would have to be bullied by Gyro. It kind of is the case.
They're low HP, but they are obviously the flat can is just going to be inherently pushing the lane.
He's in farm on Largo though. I don't think he binds too much. Mero is sitting on 18 and 5. That's solid.
Obviously he doesn't die.
When you're playing the Largo, what type of heroes do you like to see accompanying?
Not in lane, specifically, but in the game overall.
Is there a certain archetype that you're like, because he's not a traditional initiator.
It's definitely a different breed.
Yeah.
I think having a clear cut means some initiation, and then having heroes that want to group
up.
I think quite a bit of trouble and the power shot from afar, that is first blood for save.
This is exactly what Jg was talking about. Rotating onto mid. Could be a problem for Yopaj.
We'll get him for the first time.
Yeah, I thought Largo, I'd like to play him with a clean initiation.
Because like you mentioned, as an off-laner, he's not an initiator.
So you want somebody else to set up fights on your terms, and then having heroes that like to group up, because he's a bard.
He's strong when your whole team is together. That's when he shines.
So team fighting.
And of course that also is part of why the hero is so popular in pro right now, because the current meta is so heavily centered around wisdoms and Torm.
So having a hero that gravitates towards those types of fights will inherently just be better than most others.
And in your experience with these elimination type games, games tend to play a little bit safer generally.
Yeah.
Can't speak for OG though.
I'm not sure how they react in these situations. They are a relatively young team, of course.
The last couple of tournaments to go by when things got really high stakes, they dropped
the ball the most, but they have every reason to be optimistic today based on the fact that
they're up 3-1 against their opponent, so hopefully that helps them, their heads cool.
Yeah, we talked about OG's perspective, think about Bedboot, losing 4 out of 5,
all you have to do is win 2, you don't even have to win the series.
have to win any two. Yeah, any two. Or in the first years you could win one. Just be done
with it. If definitely not the hard way. This would be a very field-bath of them, pale.
You'll budge with the fissure, enchant, double enchant. First kill of the game for OG.
Hey, Kat, tell me trying to mess a little bit with the triangle here. Get a read
perhaps also get the six-minute rune but not to be
that's Sumi in terms of the farm right now pretty much even Steven with the
kez gets licked though back in the frog stomp that we have come in numbers and
And this is going to end up being a very easy but valuable kill.
This is the styles that are going to clash.
Emperor is a rotating mid, shaker is not, to nearly the same extent until he gets dagger.
So GPK can either be rotated towards to kill Yobash, or he can cross down to the bot lane.
And OG's safe lane is just helpless, and if it gets run down.
Especially, Gyro's ability to fight back in those situations is heavily tied to Rocket
Barrage hasn't skilled it.
He's going the missile into Flak Cannon build, which is also popular, but for different
reasons.
There you go.
Ask the onslaught away.
He's dead.
He's ticking out slowly.
Yeah, that's enough.
Shout out to the Philippines, though.
Apparently.
That seems to not fucking healthy either.
I'm gonna bet a trouble, he's purple teamed under the tier one, Betboom.
Very aggressive in the stop lane now.
And Stave has kinda been all over the place.
Yeah.
If you're OG, you just need time, you need A to hit 6, you need line to hit 6 to unlock
that kill combo.
And most importantly, you need somebody to rally behind to make moves.
Shaker is not that hero until dagger, Primal Beast, not really that hero until level
unless you have a very exploitable enemy safe lane, which was not the case.
So it's a little bit of a checkmate for now, where OG just have to wait to unlock themselves.
On the other side of the coin, BedBoom are more than happy to stay super mobile.
You see them just non-stop running between lanes, and now GPK.
Yeah, there is an Echo here, Yopaj.
That's a fast one.
is very valuable the shackle hits and that is going to be the death of the
archer in all likelihood you'll find just the stick though power shot does
finish the job and now you can see skim ticking out very low with the earn
charge save wants to finish it as well doesn't have mana for a power shot at
the moment doesn't have vision either if you hit this they'll be sick he's
getting white now fact that he could actually still kill him is crazy but
Obviously no vision to set it up.
Still very successful move here.
Katsuo-mi is going to do jikiro things, burning down the house.
Oh, I'm a song by the Cardinals.
Shannon, I know that one.
Do I?
Maybe.
Let's see if it was by the Cardinals.
This is going to feel really good.
Oh, baby.
The Cardigans.
That's right.
The Cardigans.
Close enough.
First tower to fall current record is 639 average is 10 whatever that said 1025 so an hour
excuse me minute early not bad for better much faster than average you'll just working on the
dagger yes 500 away so whether the storm if you're radiant good things will come it is 2k
already though yeah that's a bit pretty big storm save has twice the net worth of each enemy
support here it is found but he's got one of 12 buttons to get away what bird
in real life do you think has the most the best stealth what's it called the
falcon that's like stupid fast at diving into the water it's like this bird
that can catch fish from I don't know how many feet on the water it is by
diving insanely quickly I feel like you'd barely see it because it moves so
fast. I don't know what it's called. That's what Kaz does. He just disappears. Yeah. So
fast. I was going to say hummingbird but I guess they're not necessarily stealthy they're
just. Oh that's true. That's a good suggestion. The fastest wings. Very, very quickly. Hard
to beat. Which bird do you think has a grappling claw? Probably any hawk or eagle. Yeah,
Yeah, Tim's is gonna find him in pale and we're gonna say a blast and finger combo that you talked about
It's been unlocked as you said
Or he just wasn't feeling it zero points in slight for GPK
So that's to fully rely on the remnant
That's a nice kill there, okay, nicely broken model here, GPK.
Just walking around in a haze, CS'ing, very hungover.
Does that ever affect the enemy when that happens, do you think?
There's some heroes where in the past the bugged animations have actually really messed
with you, where you can't see that they're last hitting, and the most egregious one
that comes to mind for me, there was a patch for a while that was bugged, where Batrider
was flying in the ground with Firefly, so it was hard to see.
That was very stupid.
But, this game doesn't have bugs anymore, so it's all good.
They fixed them all.
This is true.
Yeah.
This is intended behavior for Emperor.
Let's see what they can do with their first Blink Dagger.
For the OG side, the Blink Dagger reveal in fact for Yopah.
There it is!
A blast? Is it enough?
Yeah.
Huge kill for OG.
Cannot ask for a better kill.
Can I just say, OG probably have the two most satisfying...
They have the support versions of Axe.
When it comes to certification with hitting your old team.
We both agree that the most satisfying ability in the game to use is Culling Blade.
But when you're looking at supports, Finger of Death and Ice Blast are up there.
I wouldn't know, I don't know.
Nailing those combos, yeah, of course we don't.
I'm gonna take a full rocket barrage gets licked though, and there's a TP coming so a good distance gauge for OG
Slam over there
Hope you're seeing any gifted aggs this time for the frog. We'll have to do that the old fashioned way
Not that far away really is 1700. I'll get the tier one
One minute away from the Wisdom Prime, number two.
Yep.
So Aghcite, Piusange, BKB is usually the three, Niko in the meantime.
He's also opting for Blink first despite the Earthshake.
I mean, he feels like Earthshaker, Blink, kind of want to combo with your Echo, which is not always available.
It's also just it unlocks plays on the map when multiple heroes can set up for line and a a it's very happy to play with multiple
And this is the end game screen here. That's it neither team has won
It looks like the players are okay, so we're all good
Don't worry. I'm actually still in game. Yes. We're back
We're so back we didn't miss anything good job cameraman
It's like the Wild Wild West, the fastest fingers in the West.
Looks like it'll be another trade of wisdom, so nobody has, again, it's what we're talking
about with these elimination games.
A little bit less action, a little bit safer play.
Nobody invading for the wisdom shines at any point so far.
This is one of those games where if it goes the distance, like let's say 45 minutes plus,
I think both teams have some insane late game potential, but it's not clear cut.
Who I would favor. So on one side, Primal Beast is a monster late game.
Double level 25 pulverize is ridiculous.
And there's no BKB piercing abilities on the dire to stop him from doing it.
So that's really good. Ice Blast is a game winner.
Oh, let's wait with that.
Okay, jumping in is the Primal. He already gets stunned right off the bat though,
It gets up and on top and dies pretty much instantly.
Scan will follow suit, so two kills for Batboom.
They are ready for that one.
Yeah, nice quick reaction.
Man, that was so close to a blink pulverize on three.
Yeah, you could see the Ice Blast got thrown out instantly.
They were anticipating that pulverize to land.
Imagine Yolpaj was the one with instead of Fram.
If that was Shaker, imagine that we get to stay in the game.
That's nice, Mel.
Thank you for that.
There's the Echo Slam.
It's a little bit of a mess, isn't it?
I mean, you could have formed this together with Primal. I feel like you're using Echo. It's a two-minute cooldown.
He doesn't want Primal to share any of the XP, though. That's fair.
He just saw Niko dies, like I'll do it myself.
So he went shard, and now he's going kaya.
So what do you want to see on an Earthshaker after something like that?
Can I see the replay first? So look at this. Blink?
Oh, it's the...
He basically precasted Shackle because the smoke broke.
If he could guess the pulverize off, he was targeting the Windranger.
It's hard to ice path there during it, so I think he connected.
What do I want to see on Shaker?
That's a good question. That's part of the problem, I think, with running this hero core, is that nothing feels truly amazing anymore.
But I guess you go Kaia into BKB probably in this game. You need to be able to fully combo.
There's the pulverize fling guard. It was activated, but they have so much damage. It's not close.
They could probably kill him twice with that damage almost. Yes, I think massive overkill. It's a GPK down that again
Yeah, hi a shaker into PKB and then maybe
I'm not sure if you want to go refresher immediately
octareen
There's different options, but
Definitely has less of a
Obvious build path I would say than some other heroes have right now
And of course, part of the reason Shaker fell out of favor was that he just got nerfed.
The hero is just not as good as it was before.
But don't worry, there's some months until TI, it'll come back.
As it does every year.
Shaker finds a way.
So does Tiny.
Every single TI.
Stuns, Reigns, Supreme.
A rather unusual sight here, Gyro with zero kill participation in at 17.
Usually this hero finds some sort of impact.
Yeah, he off to Firmanta.
So, steering change is a consideration as, again, the primal cutoff guard pops the uproar but dies.
This might not be a pretty dead-away though.
Oh my gosh, the London TPK, AA blast on top, remnant into Echo, alright.
Well, ready? Has it been two minutes?
I guess so. I'm flies when you're having fun, doesn't it?
Something like that. Scam looks like he's going to take a tumble as well.
The gyro posture is completely isolated now.
One versus three, he cannot get out.
What a sick shackle, that's max range.
There is no way that isn't about as far as two heroes can be from each other as possible.
Immediately gets tipped by his teammate as well, that was a sick lineup from save there.
Beautiful catch, getting them both kills and making that a worthwhile trade for sure.
Yeah, felt pretty bad to have to use Echo on the Ember.
Such a little amount of HP, but probably was needed.
Die as middle tower. It's under the tower.
Save party in the room.
Yeah, Kez with, uh, a thousand net worth lead.
He's a giant.
I find Kez to be one of the carries that...
you don't want to let do this.
There's a subset of heroes that you can just let farm.
And you can deal with them later.
I don't like how close to Kez,
I feel like that's a hero you want to try to stop in his tracks a little bit.
Look at the shackle coming up here for saves. Just an absolute beauty. Wrapping around the back
and this lineup that's coming here is just great of dirty. Look at this here.
Boom. Just catches on.
If that didn't hit, I wouldn't have been surprised. Let's just say that it was close.
It's going to easily be taken out in his Bat Boom.
Now I'll have a 3K lead.
And really I think the big item that Oji's waiting for is his BKB for Niko.
It feels like he cannot do anything without it.
Which begs the question, was Blink the right choice?
Yeah, that's fair.
The reason I liked the blink was for the glass half full way of thinking with if we get initiations
we can unlock the power of our supports with both this guy and with the shaker.
The glass half way of thinking is what if we get jumped every time and unfortunately for
OG that's been almost every situation has been the bad one and then your blink isn't
going to save you.
Still trying to make a move with their own though onto GPK here with the smoke.
It's been on shows on the way here. He is in big trouble. Yep Echo slam fissure blast and another finger
So satisfied. I love a I love this hero and I love lion
And that's because these two heroes are really fun. And that's why you like neither of them. I like a I don't play him
But I think he's cool
Despite losing their ember bethom still gonna go for the tour me and they'll get it
yep they have the right area control and the tower advantage and they get some
better of these shards as well the 50-50 between jikero and winrunner
gale force available very good against these heroes that need to stay on top
of you but of course they can ignore it with their BKBs but once those BKBs
run out gale force very good against primal keeping him in his place
stopping gyro from pursuing as well as nice
And yeah, Shaker will indeed go BKB into Kaiyosh as a free standard.
Here we go.
Find a little Jikiro action inside this macro pyre.
You can see Tez, the heritage.
Hello.
Grappling Claws for the victory on that kill.
Meanwhile, Jikiro's A.
Oh, another beautiful Shackle from save though.
Okay, we'll get Homing Missiles.
Can he get stunned?
A Blast is actually going to go for this again.
Do they have to stun lock? They do.
Anytime there's a question, just, yes, they can stun lock in forever.
I mean, I was going to say, starting to get a little bit predictable,
and now BitBoom are going to start counter-playing it.
Even though they did that, you could case, oh, it's obvious.
What is he opting for?
He's died five out of seven times on his team as ever.
That is such a rarity.
He's going to be clicking now.
Credit to OG. It's not like he's massively fumbled his button presses or anything.
They're just catching him off guard.
They're reading his movements and shutting him down.
As a result, he's now a bottom net worth of the cores, but once again, Windranger is doing great,
Kez is pretty farming, and Largo, who we have barely seen on screen for the last 10 minutes,
is off playing his songs in the jungle.
The hermit hero of the patch, if you will.
I don't think anybody leaves his team alone as much as this guy does.
Just goes and...
Yeah, I think he...
Chills in the woods, and comes back later.
I think he's not opting to finish Kaia Sange, Sange, whatever, just Kaia for now into BKB,
so wants to align with the rest of his team.
I'll make plus one items for the cores and they'll call it good.
What's the name of that guy in Lord of the Rings?
I'm not talking about it, so in the movies, Tombomberdale is not a part of it.
It's like the guy in the woods that Hobbits visit for like, 50 pages.
I just didn't book one of Lord of the Rings with Tom Bombadil.
Oh, really?
Yeah, I didn't read Lord of the Rings.
But there's another guy. It's the wizard with the brown or grayish clothes that's like a little bit crazy.
He's in the Hobbit, right? The movie?
What's the name of that guy?
I feel like that's who Largo is.
It's just the weirdo out in the woods playing his guitar.
Nobody really interacts with him, but then when Push comes to shove,
comes to show he shows up and he's like crazy strong from all this studying of
yeah why don't you Google that while this team fights about to occur oh gee
I don't know about that. I think you know this. I don't think so. It's got to do
with movies you must know this. I watched the Lord of the Rings show terrible.
Just terrible. He's probably in that show too. Radagast the Brown. That doesn't sound familiar.
One of the five Astari wizards
The macro player to try to save this tower, but it'll be taken out regardless
He is described as a master of shapes and changes of hue
Oh, no
That's Radigest right there blessing of Radigest GPK with a clean dodge
That was we need to repay that one for sure
I mean, did he react to it or did he just happen to click?
Sometimes.
It's inhuman to react to blink echo unless you see shaker approaching, so if he couldn't
see shaker, it's just pure luck.
Let's see.
This is just a chance.
Oh, that's a chance.
Goodness.
Wow.
I mean, it's one of those situations where it will happen more often than you
would expect because Ember wants to slight the wave and is aware of the possibility that
he could be getting jumped, but they could have also easily happened point two seconds
earlier.
So at the time...
Yeah, no Ago, no Ice Blast means free roach for Bethel.
I'll look right at this to show him up.
He's playing his guitar.
Well, now he's done with it.
Now he's going to smack them.
I'm not going to catch on, Nico.
Is he actually going to go for a steal here?
I'm not sure if this is even worth it.
He's going to try.
Aegis secured for Kiritich.
Niko's still in the free.
He has a pretty good attacking angle if they were to.
He does, and he does have the BKB now.
He's going to show himself on wave now that he can finish the shard or just their abouts.
Yeah. Alright. Backing out.
So that means Aegis and Tormentor now for Bed Boom.
So they get the two first primary objectives.
Now what are they going to do with it?
Why are they just gonna... farm it up? Gyro has finally overtaken Kaz, by the way.
This one's from the house, Shannon.
Thank you, primal...ult.
And that's a dead cat to Omi.
Yup.
Now, how much damage can they do with his Aegis, is the question.
Like, does Betboom want to fight?
Because, oh gee, they... this is a fighting line.
Obviously you have the Gyro who can just farm till the end of the game, but...
The rest of these heroes want to fight.
I don't think either team is all that concerned with...
with space, or rather with pacing.
I think if you have opportunities, you're happy to fight, we don't have to.
And forcing... forcing into Aegis is a tougher...
It's a tough challenge for OG because the nature of their lineup is very much blast one guy and built the fight.
But if that guy has Aegis...
Like, how do you kill Kez twice? I guess is what I'm getting at here, right?
You're going to need to commit one of your key ultimates first
and then you won't have it the second time around.
So maybe better just play Keep Away, try to catch heroes off guard when they're splitting.
So I know that...
Sorry to interrupt and then just stop talking, but...
That's fine, that's what you do.
I know that they don't have a carrier for this item on the bedroom side,
but does it not feel criminal to not have pipe this game?
Even with a couple of BKBs in your course now,
Pipe just feels like other than Gyros, it's literally all magic damage.
I think it's an item larger than Vyre. I don't see why.
You think you can get it later?
Uh, I think if you wanted it, you might have bought it earlier, but it also has a possibility that their mindset is just...
Yes, pipe is good, but at the same time, maybe if they actually just kill us through pipe because they have so much magic damage,
that we're better off buying BKB on every core, and just play for it later instead.
I wouldn't have minded it though, if you bought it I would have been on board
but then you're delaying the trio of items that you
Yeah, you're delaying your trio of items and you're effectively saying, I bought this item, we need to use it
then you're playing the fighting game. If you want to play the slower pace
probably better sort of, just not buy it.
How does a later pipe in general feel?
Stuff okay. Like post 30 minutes, post 35?
It can be okay, but generally if you want a later pipe like that you
oftentimes see a support by it. In some cases you can buy a late pipe on a five,
but they are valuing the glimmer four steps higher here.
It's weird looking at GPK being level 15. It's weird looking at him and not seeing him rage.
No, that's that's old GPK. I know it's crazy. But I was just having the same thought that this
This dying 5 times in 20 minutes on Ember GPK is the thing of the past, but...
When you get countered enough, it can happen.
He used to tilt when that happened. He does not look tilted.
He's still just playing this game.
Mad respect for GPK.
Usually these kids, they don't turn things around.
These kids!
They don't know.
But Ash kids never had jobs and they'd lie.
They know what struggles we had to go through back in the 50s.
That's right, we had dysentery. Oregon trail style.
Yes.
We had to go out in the fields every morning, collecting milk.
Oh, for a minute on this ages, for cure, Titch.
When the weather was bad, we were starving.
That drought every fifth of the year.
I'm the only surviving child out of a group of sevens.
Titch is stunned up.
Ice path into the mackerel fire.
You get licked into the fissure now, Natsumi's in the brunt of all of this, so he has to be very careful.
They get the Aegis, a big Primal Alt, but Natsumi just gets destroyed, cannot go anywhere, is blocked in by the fissure.
And with that, I think Oji want to retreat.
He'll probably pass the BKB, an escape mechanism.
Ska, looks to be the sacrifice of sorts.
Just get traded for Katoumi, but yeah, that's that Aegis factor.
They have to use a lot to poke Kez.
Still have Akko here.
To use a lot on Kaz and in the meantime Gyro got run down and run over
Let's be warding here from save
Getting zone control they take the tier 2
Yeah, bet boom
Yeah without the ages that could have gone very well for OG, but yeah
Pretty big deal there
Now the lead has grown to 7k
But also the initiation was a little bit awkward right like they stunned the Kaz and they throw finger of death on him
Then he gets pulled out by Largo and yeah, oh, do you kind of get baited to chase him too deep?
And then they compromise their formation and get punished
Without the ages it's gonna get easier. That's for sure. Look at Kiritich's build. You can tell
Going BKB and Lincoln's here really tells the story of I just need to stay alive and do my damage and everything's gonna be okay
Get another toy to play with unless
Oh
That was close. I thought he got it. That was so damn close
And yeah, they're TPing out they get the hell out of here. They were here five seconds earlier
I'd love a replay on that frame by frame. I think we're talking less than half a second from getting that snipe
That would have been a really nice pickup. It's like a 3,000 gold swing or 4k actually if you hit that ice blast
looking at a 5k lead instead of 9
I'm gonna do this.
Ehhhhhhhhh
Oh, it was-
That's in slow-mo.
Yeah, that was so close.
In slow-mo, that was like less than half a second late, so it was probably a quarter.
Wow.
Nice try.
Alright, that-
From scab.
Things like that can absolutely turn the game around.
Yeah.
But instead, that boom expands on their lead a bit, 9k now.
This next roche, I think, if OG doesn't get it, they're gonna have a super tough time in this game.
Yep, I agree.
agree it might just be the nail in the coffin when you have this many big old
season big stunts there's always the room for comebacks like even if OG's
lineup is like 30,000 gold behind in 15 minutes I still think they have a chance
to win no obviously very very hard I think this is their best chance though
yeah second Roche this this moment is one where you absolutely need to try but
it's not a Hail Mary GG if we lose the fight if they lose it 5-0 and lose
the roche they got problems but is this second roche or third that's a third one I
think is it third always second to second they kill the first one minute so this
one will have a banner
I don't know the respawn timer just yet well
okay I'm prodding and faking
He's gone on.
Here, Tetch.
This is his time to shine.
Just run away from Kaz.
Lololol.
Hey, you said the word.
Thank you.
That was Falcon Rush.
And Yopajian Company?
Well, they will get Katolomi at the very least.
Attempted Nightfall.
Woo!
That was close.
He lives.
I hate Kaz, man.
You just see a chase like that.
you just empathize with the primal beast, of course.
Radiant?
Tough.
Tough to deal with.
You're just not getting away from the Angry Bird.
He's got that smug look on his face,
Kez, all the time.
Look at him.
See, I would feel better about this character
if the voice was just a chicken.
Yeah, or if he was really leaning
into being a truly cocky bastard.
Like, really.
It's just, hey, let's hire the guy
that did Dragon Knight persona, I guess.
Let's get generic white dude voice.
I don't know.
It's just no personality.
It's a bird.
Yeah, imagine if he only said one word.
Just that over and over.
Every time you click your hero.
Legitimately?
Every time you cast a spell.
When you're dead.
When the game is paused.
That's more personal how your character is right now.
And it would cost so much less to do.
I could do that for free.
Caratish now level 22.
Maybe it's the long conchant.
Maybe it's so that they can release an arcana later
that has the bird pack.
That's true.
That is next level if they do that.
All right, smoke from both sides, roaches up.
This is pivotal.
Absolutely pivotal, especially for OG, Gilpoche.
Oh, it's going to break.
Well, that's a good flight change to start.
Nicola is going to save the Lion for now, gets ice-packed into the Mackerel Pire.
It's taken out of it, but he still will burn.
Has to buy back, and he will probably have to use it if they end up going for a row.
This is character development for OG, the code.
Yesterday's OG tried to help Tim's there and lose the fight horribly.
This time they just called the loss.
True.
That was my biggest gripe with their play yesterday, was they were forcing fights that were bad.
Alright.
And this time, shit happens.
Might need to buy him back, though.
Yeah, he needs to buy back 100% here.
Should do it now.
After the roar maybe.
Okay.
Maybe they can buy enough time for 35?
Okay, if everyone's gonna smoke, this roach is leaving.
Yeah, that's true.
Okay.
Drift break from Niko.
Niko is broken.
They see the primal beast and he's not gonna be killed.
He does.
They force it out of him.
But he didn't think he could pop his own.
Yeah, he kind of has to if he's jumping in, right?
If jumping in blind, you could just get stunned by any of the 20 stuns and just die.
I think that is a bigger deal for OG though. Not having the BKB for one is close.
Heritage blinks away. Stay down, glimmer, looking for an opening.
Blind scan. Shackle's not going to hit though.
Nice fishers though. And the call down to follow.
The finger as well. Stay getting saved by the lick.
And he'll be healed back up to full by Radagas, the brown.
This is actually so tense.
Let's use this as part of the power of Largo. Extended fights, your team survives, and in any disengagement situation, you're just back to full.
He'll heal them for days.
Yeah, that boom.
Obviously can't just take Roche without getting a pick off of some significance first.
They have good vision in the area though.
They see right outside the pit and they see to the north-west of it.
So OG might walk into- oh never mind they got the D-Ward just now wasn't that assuming.
Important D-Ward coming out from skim there.
That area could have been very dangerous.
Feels a lot safer now.
Kaz with the dagger, likely to just jump and blast Lion if he gets the opportunity.
Seems like the best way to start the fight Lion playing without Ghost Scepter and
Yeah, you have Glimmer Cape, but you honestly might die before you can even react if you get caught by anything.
That's just gonna one-shot you.
If you can bait out an AA blast, then that's your approach pretty much.
Oh, this is good to start!
AA again? He's dead. Has buyback though.
That's TPKPKPing again.
And he's up.
Time to wait for 90 seconds to TPKP.
That's the thing, though. That's not enough for Beppin, because if they start Roche, I mean they can force the buyback, I guess.
There it is.
Is there any kind of vision?
Maybe they can just get it.
That's pretty good.
Yeah, Roche already had half.
That's to me.
With the call down, they're going to get a little bit of vision.
There's the Echo Slam, the Vibeck down in the AA.
They get the Pulverize as well.
Kez is dead right on the back.
That's the drill!
Just for Yopage.
OGR doing it somehow.
Cato only on the right side of the Fissure.
AA blasts, Dunn's hitting the arrow.
BKB wears off.
Do they have to damage and finish the job though?
Save.
Glimmer cap away.
Is it only going to be one kill after all of that?
I mean, they still get the Aegis.
Not sure where the Roche banner went, but...
A GP...
Hello.
Alright, he's like, wait, did they take it?
Yeah, they took Aegis, guys.
They took Aegis and Banner.
But they did get the last hit.
That belongs to Ben Boom, but that is still a mission accomplished for OG.
And what a sick Ice Blast hit, too.
It's a shame for him he didn't get the Largo kill.
That was a long range.
Clean hit from Sam.
It's still shocking, they only get one kill.
Yeah.
Or either side, get one kill.
That's Largo though.
It's good at playing them out.
Just wrong.
That's a good old fun.
That's what he does.
And who he's playing out is depending on whether he's winning or losing the fight.
Play out either team.
Good damage here on Zemikro, but it's gonna hold on to his...
Well actually, the enemy can be right here.
Is it the level 20 that gives him Dispel?
Very, very good against Ember, and against the Vessel, it's a 2 for 1 special.
Close game, you were asking for it.
You said this game was going to go over an hour, so far so good.
Yep, I'm convinced.
Obviously a lot on the line here, you've played effectively, sure you had the break
in between the series but it's not really a break when you know you have to play
you're still studying you're preparing so these guys have been at it for like
eight hours yes just like any other day for them they played out of that much
that's a little difference in intensity you could argue so it's more like you
don't want to have played those other eight hours and then just drop the
ball in the final game this is where you really want to who feels worse than
loss here. I would say Bat Boom, yeah, because they had the big advantage going
into today. They just needed to win one game early and they could have called it
a day. How much can OG get out of this Aegis you think? There's still all tier
2s up for Bat Boom. They have it on the wrong hero. They had it on Gyro. They
could take about... How dare he steal it? Should have given it to Gyrocopter.
Bunk! Nice pick-off here for OG. I mean, even with the Aegis being on the airshake, they can probably at least take the tower here.
Yeah. But high grounding without Aegis Gyro is difficult.
A Midas? 40-minute Midas?
Well, if there's something Scam has become known for in AA, it's interesting item builds. The other day when he bought a Bistle, he didn't blast on his ultralate game AA.
Maybe he gets his shard once he gets that, and he's like, alright, job is done.
Now I go for only big boy items.
Well, he agrees with you that it's going to 60, right? If you want to do some math on Midas.
I don't remember how long it is you need to have it for before you sell it, so it breaks even.
It's better than it used to be.
But then you're still comparing it to the opportunity cost of not having the other item you could have had instead.
which could impact a fight or keep you alive.
Nice blast.
Fishing for something here.
He does get hit.
Wait, does he not have shard?
He'd not have shard, otherwise he would have been stunned.
He had it queued up, and then he bought Midas, so I figured he'd...
Yeah, he queued up Shard now.
Oh, I didn't stun him.
OK.
I could have shard, I bought it.
Well, why do you think you could afford Midas, buddy?
Maybe he thought he killed the Tormenter and the Shard was given to him.
Right, he was Rosh.
It was great.
That happened to all of us.
It was the rush that you guys stole.
Actually, there's only the ages, though, so even that is a bad excuse.
But we're trying to help the players look good.
That's right.
That's our job.
I think we do a great job.
I think so, too.
Imagine being compared to Radagast the Brown.
It's not as good as it gets.
Yeah, over the hell that is.
I can show you a picture of him.
Maybe you'll remember him from the movie.
Like actual Lord of the Rings movie?
Remember this guy?
He's in the Hobbit, right?
or is it the orderings that he's in
uh... this guy yeah i'd get briefly briefly that's right that's pretty much
it's hobbit though not not a little it is not a bit
i would tell by the terrible make-up
oh somehow twenty years in the future it gets worse for effects in movies
that's because they will he get a shard come on now scamp goes down
all along
take another roll of the dice flip a coin
That's right. Look at all those money bags.
That is a kiss.
He don't give no shit. He's buying it himself.
Frost Ghost. He's like, oh, no way.
He's actually jacked.
We'll be getting it here.
And a nice wisdom shrine as well.
Approaching level two. What's his 20 towns?
The Ice Blast duration is very, very good.
Ooh, four seconds.
Yeah, it's amazing.
Uh, the duration increase, not only for a bit of more damage, but also just...
He's thinking about it, though.
...that much longer.
He's thinking about right clicks.
There is nothing to think of.
A little brain lag there.
Well, sometimes you're focusing on other things.
It hasn't bought the Shard yet, so maybe hoping for the next Tormentor.
Yep.
Well, he is playing for a game with the Midas, so he might hope.
You can get this as well.
Nope, there it goes.
Okay.
This is an extremely good Shard.
This is at least eight here, with S being the top.
Is this perhaps one of the less good game sprites specifically because you already have so much chain stun
stun that maybe it's redundant.
It's always nice in case you hit an extra hero or if you're opening the fight like what
just happened in the triangle.
Exactly.
Can still be good.
Is that an axe on jacquero?
Sure was.
Kato-mi.
Wow.
He's getting there.
The supports.
The net worth advantage for the dyer supports.
That's a big item.
Refresher for Niko.
Yep.
Not delivered to him yet, but he has it.
Man oh man
I love doing these random top five. It's like top five here in the game for a fresher. I think so good. So good
Okay, he blasts. Oh boy. All right
Well stronger or not that was not a stun
So now the question is does oji want to fight if a blast doesn't hit like anything
They get a surprise kill.
Rock actually does connect Natsumi.
They see, save on the south side.
They get a little distracted though,
and now they're just trying to run away.
Yopage, BKBs.
We're going for a support windrunner, Kiritich.
He's going to focus the Earthshaker instead,
gets the bash, gets the kill.
Now Niko with the BKB, looking for his ult,
finds it on the bird.
That's a lot of damage on the Kiritich,
and they have enough.
That does require a buyback for Yopage though,
So, as Natsumi's stuck in a pretty hard spot, AA Blast not gonna clip Miero, let's do with that BKB, there's the Echo Slam from Yopaj, a triple kill for GPK in the midst of all of this.
Yopaj does not want to die back as skim, and Miko fighting it up at Miero. You cannot do anything about this frog, it seems.
You can get the Jikiro though, and the TP away is not gonna be successful.
So Miero, the lone survivor for Betboom and Yopaj, I mean it's effectively a team
wipe for Betboom. Yeah, the buyback from Shaker. They do come out ahead and yeah
look at those damage numbers. The Rattagas blast. Oh, hello.
This team having some hiccups tonight. Too many people playing Miao Genix, I think.
Yep, that must be it.
Lack of a better sound for cats, that's the best I can do.
My current soundboard.
Close.
8K lead for BitBoom.
Let's do the replay here. This is a very chaotic fight by the way, and I agree with you.
When you miss icepots, do you really want to force this?
So they get the connection on to save, but they don't want to overcommit.
So...
Not using the Echo, Yopas tries to run away and guess what Kez does? He kills you in two seconds, so you buy it back, you reconnect to the fight, so that you can eventually get an Echo, which will be used soon here.
But Nero was the one guy not dealt with and Natsumi...
Look at this, he's doing no damage.
He's feeling nothing with this Titanic.
Largo has a bajillion armor and is super nimble.
Yeah, either you feel like, focus everyone else, leave the prog for last, I mean, what's
the strat exactly?
Obviously, AA Blast is kind of...
Yeah.
I mean, all things considered, OG just missed two Ice Blasts and kind of drew.
That's a good sign, I would say for them.
That can be so much better with the right execution, now another refresher.
Is BKB on creeps? What happened?
I'm not scared of them.
Oh, so GPK was next to him, okay.
Thank you, observer. That's what you get for being a corrective me. You get disconnected.
Along with me, actually.
Get back in there.
What's happening, Val?
I see, that's so weird.
Keep getting disconnected for like one second.
At this rate, this game might not count, Cinder.
towards stats.
Yeah.
Three Gets should replay it, so Ogre's got the one five out of six.
Poor network conditions detected, MMR will not be updated after this match.
All right, next roche is about to spawn, actually.
All right, so can Ogre do the unthinkable again?
them obviously very hesitant to start Roche don't maybe give him a little nudge to let
him belch in their face and then reset like they have been funnily enough if they just
go for it now they might just get it yeah it's theirs but they don't know it game of
chicken
Oh, thank you. You got it for me. You were ready though
And well, all right, well look at that
Ages will be picked up by unnamed bird man. So something about this. I don't know if you agree
That the second roche felt more pivotal for og to do something about
Then giving this up. It's not the end of the world
I don't know why I feel that way. I agree that the second one was more important, but
It's probably because it feels like now that you have all these refreshers you can actually kill them twice.
Yeah.
And high grounding feels miserable into the radio.
There's just so much hardware.
Shout out to Gidnaw, we got this coming to the end.
Good man.
My good man.
It's good thing the observer login is staying.
Oh, hello!
Giko, horseback in his base, GPK on the exit.
Did not manage to bait out a BTB.
Okay, in the meantime, pushing out all the way down bottom, and they have the roach banner.
They want to push this.
Karate's going to lead the way with that death float, 10 charges.
Both cheese and refresher charges.
Echo's fine, that's life number one, down and out already.
Natsumi, able to get away from GPK.
Get something nice, black can, and Karate just BKBs, and now it's just running away.
It's a terrible engagement for Betboom.
It's just you have no choice, right?
If you don't BKB there, you're worried you're just going to get immediately echo-fezzured again, you know, shaker as a fresher.
That's the risk of the double pulverize.
That's why it's so hard to break hydrant this game for bedroom.
The amount of damage in the burst OG have is so ridiculous.
So they basically trade Aegis for Tier 3 Tower is essentially what happens.
Yep.
Give them another 40 minutes.
I assume the BKB charges at this point are the lowest amount.
Okay, with that, OG will smoke and now go on the...
Offensive save.
I'm not gonna find him initially. Obviously would rather have a bigger target.
He'll punch with a shadow blade. Very cool.
There's a disc as well.
well. Pretty important here online. EchoSlam is up. CourierKill that's MKB.
So that's a full three minutes. Sad noises. Yeah. We're gonna force them back with the
creep kills but the CourierKill pretty impactful. The way they all TP back after killing that
current made it seem like it was what they meant to do
smoke out the North Korean ulti
Alright, successful guys, GPK, alright?
Just making them know that he's still in the area
Give him Lotus and Lincoln, he'll stay
It's nice to toss that on him so he doesn't feel like he has to use BKB every time he looks at an enemy hero
Of course, Largo providing both to himself and Ember every time
I believe you said when this came out that it was the best shard in the game
Do you still think so the Largo one?
It is without question extremely good. I know it's extremely good. I'm just thinking I said best the fourth shard in the game
I didn't say best shard, which I don't know what the best I have to think about that syndrome
Don't have time for that. Yeah, no time for thinking time to cast things Niko and have HP already
HP cast above the DKB. A blast. Not really gonna do too much and they blow up Niko.
Beautiful chain stun.
He can get back in this fight if he wants to, but for OGs they can just get back to base, you'll pause.
Having to burn a DKB, he's cast stuck on the other side of the fissure. He's dead as well.
Now the pulverize rather into the finger, they're gonna be able to take out Savin, that's just the support.
It's like OG need to get more out of this buyback, but...
There's some excellent chain-stunning from Beth Boomb. You're gonna see that in the replay maybe.
I think it was done for like 12 seconds straight on primal.
At least 10, just back to back to back. Look at that full shackle shot.
The frog stomps. I believe there was an ice path there too that's not showing,
but take a look at this. So opening, shackle,
ice path. Oh, that's actually all, that was it. So that was only like six or seven
It felt like an eternity.
I thought there was some tertiary stuff in there, but they only needed the two of them.
I'll do it.
Yeah, pretty half-as-a-fight here for OG.
And they pay!
And that's a big flyback for Niko.
Carrotitch, MKB on the way now.
As long as his courier survives this trip.
And next stop, Agathom Scepter.
He's fully loaded.
Yep.
You can see how slow Pace this game is.
53 minutes in, 12 charges on Desto for the team that is winning right now.
Not a crazy amount.
Ah, check to note that he didn't get this as a third item.
So it wasn't like an ultra early decider.
He went BKB and Battle Tree.
Wait, did he go BKB second?
Are you sure?
Battle for your BKB Vendessa.
That was the order.
Still...
That boom...
I mean, they might just chill for the fourth roach, or whatever, anywhere on now, because...
It's so ridiculously hard to break high ground, but you're also gonna run into the issue of just items once.
Like, eventually you can't carry Aegis on your course effectively to the same extent anymore.
Yeah, this is going to be a pretty hard game for Nico, I think, going forward.
Having to deal with all these lotuses, Lincolns, talked about the Shardon, Frogman, fresher
now on Ember.
Yeah, Ag's refresher ever is disgusting.
Honestly, as we're approaching the end of this first group stage, I feel like the
average map time
average game time is extending
at least the game's weird casting
uh... i mean for the games we're casting, yeah. If that's the sign of the next
group stage to come, these days could be
very very long with three game series
if these teams keep bringing this level of
closeness and play in it
high ground continues to be this kind of play. Oh, I find your punch!
He gets off the Echo Slam, it's a good amount of damage, but not a whole lot of follow-up.
He's dead.
Tim's looks to be next on the list for Bed Boom.
Divine Rapier.
This is Natsumi's comeback item of choice.
Three dead for OG.
They all have buybacks, but Niko does not.
He has to be really careful.
Cannot die here.
They're gonna buy back on one.
Keratich taking tons of damage.
A-Plas is coming in.
It hits Keratich, but not any follow-up again.
Excellent disengaged.
That boom in an extremely good position now.
Triple buyback's forced and they lose nothing.
Ironically, this was better than any of their Aegis' has been.
Turns out it's not about the Aegis, it's about jumping the right hero.
Who would've thought?
Find the right opportunity.
And in true casters, Chris Ratch from the moment we talk about game length...
The game's working.
It's still gonna go over 60 minutes because they're going for the next rush.
That could spawn in 15 seconds.
Let's see what Gaven wants for us today.
Oh, now that we set that, it's gonna be three minutes.
Let's have a look.
I'd say it's...
One minute, 51 seconds.
One, no, two, ten.
Okay.
Okay, I win.
That was slight victory.
It's a 20 seconds.
It's a short one.
Ooh!
The doctor's in the house!
Dr. GPK!
What's his specialty, Sindarin?
Dr. Gepetto...
I can't even come up with a name for GPK, it's really tough.
That's not what I... I know, that's what I wanted to do.
His specialty? He's a surgeon, of course.
Oh, because he slices them? Yeah.
His taunt is the kabob, right? Yeah, he's cooking kabob.
Classic surgeon behavior. Surgeons love kabob.
Yeah, doesn't everyone.
Beto, into the Roche pit, again, the Belch incoming.
Can OG do anything?
Can I Sprawl do anything about Kez, hitting Roche?
Yeah, he actually...
It's the resolution.
It's actually insane.
Okay, do or die, time for OG, but this fight is ridiculously hard.
Look at the buyback status.
Four on the dire, almost five, 20 gold to go for Kez.
OG have zero.
It's all in, and it needs to be a convincing win.
Five versus ten. Can they do it?
Keratish in the pit.
Going for Rosh.
Ice path. Try to dissuade them, Niko.
He's gonna go inside the pit, Keratish!
He actually snatches his own Aegis effectively.
So Niko gets the kill, but they get nothing out of it.
And that is a death that will hurt so bad
because he has no buyback. Did he pick up anything? He does have cheese in his
back, but I don't know if that's from before. If this was the way you were
gonna take that fight, you would have been better off giving it away. Like that.
They did not fully commit on that. It was like they didn't fully believe in it,
but they could even do it. They were like, we kind of have to, but they
didn't want to. And don't do it. Primal charge is in. There's zero
backup. They're just getting zoned off by one frog with a guitar.
In a world of gods, the strongest character is a frog with a banjo.
I think the bird might be a little stronger.
Yeah, well it's definitely the animals that reign supreme.
Just like in my pub game.
Yeah, someone would say we are actually the animals.
Mels have started adding animal heroes to the game, so we have something to identify
with.
That's a good point.
High ground attempt.
A full minute without Primal.
He wants to get it, really did the A blast, does it.
A decent amount of damage, but it's not enough.
He's already spending his DKB.
That felt like the last-ditch effort.
The parry on Kez, keeping him alive there.
Blocking, I think, four gyroshots.
They'll be able to secure this barracks
and likely many more to come.
OG, very close to being eliminated after winning three of four games against this very team
to stay alive, but can they somehow come back in the fifth?
First set down for Beth Boone, heritage focusing on the top, A blast on nothing.
Oh boy, it is all falling apart for OG and that's right before the primal was about
to spawn.
give the setup to I think just cast some spells try to delay if you see the
perfect opportunity maybe think about it but you need to get the right last stand
where you have everything this is two lanes they just keep throwing shields on
this guy and for bedroom there's no reason to stop you just go bot now
Still ages two and a half minutes
Echo Slam initiation onto the Ember Spirit a double Echo in fact on basically entire team
That's life number one for characters though. They do get GPK
That's gonna take a lot more to stay in this game
And that's the way the BKB trying to run away.
Pops his refresher.
Carrotish, he's going to be able to get this kill.
That's Vagantic keeping Datsumi alive.
They get the nice onslaught into the refresher.
But now, he can get stunned.
Pops the BKB looking for something,
but every defensive item in the world is on Carrotish.
They do take out the bird finally.
Cost them dearly, though.
Three dead for OG with no way to get back in the game.
Divine Rapier still in that Sumi, though.
And now going for the killing blow is bit boom.
Buyback expended for the bird, man.
Okay, you can see Curious Hitch hesitating a little bit. They wanted to make sure that they got the math right on OG's buybacks and they did 5v2 and Valiant effort from that Sumi there
Committing all out with his BKB Satanic as well as Rapier, but it just isn't enough.
And Yopash died too quickly. He jumped in, he got his spells off, but didn't get the second volley.
Just getting eaten alive by Kez immediately.
That's mega creeps, Natsumi in the trees.
He's got to be found actually, but a power shot didn't hit.
Along the blink, last tier 4, down and out as well. Ancient exposed.
Natsumi with the rapier wants to do something, eats the cheese, A blast comes out.
But there's the shackle and there's the kill divine rapier on the deck here a titch will add it to his repertoire
GG's called OG eliminated
Betboom continues
Wow, that's got to be such a major relief Betboom had to play all day
And looking back on the day all they had to do was win a singular game what seems to be eight hours ago
That's probably what it was to be honest at this point maybe even more nine hours ago
So, had they just won one of the first two games against OG, they wouldn't have got all
these nice scrims, though.
More practice, more experience, learning something, and you can tell this means a lot to them.
A big relief.
They go the whole five game distance, and win the series two to three.
It's nice to then to add the Minecraft filter to their camera, without the everything
in clear detail.
They look very happy.
and company great performance. I mean, GBK died a ton in this game, especially in the early stages, but he bounced back for sure.
Miera was just, it felt like, unkillable. Yes, man. The frog is so hard to counter.
Karatich just beasting it up with the end game Divine Rape here, which wasn't even his.
AI is an interesting idea as a solution, and I think it could have worked.
of work. There are a couple of things that Betmove did really well this game and the main thing I
would like to highlight is how well they shut down Niko. I think if Primal Beast has a better game,
OG could have taken this but Niko was just nullified. That's right, Shiba.
That's right, gentlemen. There's a lot of things to talk about for this game. I will say,
personally, it was a little bit of disappointment that the AA didn't have a bigger impact,
considering it's one of my favorite heroes and I don't know if, you know, the reason
and they picked it obviously against Largo. I feel like we didn't really get to see that
very much thank you. Now, Betboom did a really good job playing around it to be honest. Like you
could tell that when OG, when STEM used AA Blast that whoever didn't get hit by the AA Blast a lot
of the time it was like literally nobody because Betboom was never rooting up. Yeah. But the
other heroes who didn't get hit by it would just like run in, like okay now it's go time. So
The only reason that AA looked so bad in this game is, of course, it's not a great hero right now.
It was a good pick for the game. It's because Betboom totally understood that, they respected it,
and they played around it incredibly well in the fights. Their positioning was near flawless.
Yeah, I mean, this fight in particular was just insane, or maybe it was the prior one,
but there's the one where Largo, yeah, this one where Largo kills everybody.
Yeah.
This is honestly massive because they get the Roche after, and the game kind of starts to snowballing from there.
What would you place it find a little bit better? It was very different
I just want to talk about a conversation that happened backstage that I learned a lot from for everybody watching so pre game when
We were talking about we liked oji's draft and then you said you'd much rather be the trio for a bet boom playing around mid the two supports and
GPK and
Then Jenkins backstage said oh, that's something I think about in my pubs
But that's something I always forget when I'm analyzing these drafts and then you said well, it's not something
really think about it something I feel like I look at the draft I see I feel
something's wrong and then that feeling prompts me to think about it and I just
thought that was really interesting and then it played out in the game of course
so then it makes it even more interesting but that whole description of it's a
feeling something feels off and then that makes me think about it I just
that's the that's the beautiful thing about Dota to me is that it's at
that like perfect level of complexity that you you can't really describe
I break it down. Yeah, you can't really describe things in it. You just have to get a feeling and then
Dig into that a little bit, you know, like a lot of these top teams
they also have feelings on heroes and
They try something and then it feels good and then next week they're trying it's just not working and it falls off
And they make deductions based off of that data rather than the deductions come first
And then you see them playing various things like win ranger for example in the series was a big hero
I don't think that in another series it would be as big of a hero because this is what OG plays and of course safe can play when
Ranger on the other side, so this is something that's like entirely in the series under the Lord same thing
this was a big hero in the in the series, but not so much in the last day of or two of Dota
It's been kind of weak. There was even first phase band in this final game
Yeah, which is unusual, but not in this series made a lot of sense by the time we saw it
I mean even some of the best players of all time when you think like when you hear about them and the way they communicate a lot
Of them I don't think could even explain the reason they do things or their opinions on stuff
But you think about a niche or something like that
He's the guy's incredibly gifted one of the best players of all time, but he's not someone who's gonna sit you down and tell you
This is why we should do that. That's why we should do that. He's gonna just be like now just do this
It's just the right thing just do it like of course he does it
It's just yeah, it's just in his bones. He's just like a he's a instinct play
Exactly, I think there are groups and you think of someone like a 33 who is like,
looked at every single number for every camp and done all the math and all the numbers,
just calculate our app is broken, all the buttons are like...
He knows exactly how long a Midas takes to be earned back.
He does, absolutely.
Unto the second.
Now second even.
Yes.
By the way, it's nine minutes if you sell the Midas.
But I forgot what it is if you don't sell the Midas, so there you go.
Which is the more important part of our game.
Maybe 18 minutes, Shiva, because you get half the price back.
What did she say that's what happened to her kingdom?
You know, it's like...
We had this conversation for reference backstage for like, I don't know how long it was real.
We've been through pretty conversation back then.
There was a lot of nonsense, but we talked about this Midas for a long time.
Yeah.
And Brian did not say one word.
Sometimes you just feel something and then you think about it, you know?
Yeah.
I had a niche story that I just asked him one time, like, how do you know not to rotate to the sidelines?
Like, I would have rotated there to help your team. And he's just like, it's not good for my game.
That makes sense.
Makes sense.
And I was like, I see.
I should have thought of that.
Oh, I will say, though, as much as we're saying, you know, I bet Draft was better.
It just felt good. And obviously they played it out.
Well, it's the last about an hour.
You know, that must that could not have been part of the plan.
So we I feel that we also should give some credit to OG because they they held back very nicely for a long time
Yeah, it was close. It was close. And I think this team shown a lot of promise
I think they'll be pretty unhappy with this result
But I also think they haven't looked as good in this term as I haven't some of the others
I think they're sort of that Navi camp of me of teams that are very inconsistent that have potential that have shown
They can sort of they can beat any team. Yeah, but they can also lose to any team
I think that's the mark of a tier 1.5 team is they lack that floor to be if she was talking about earlier
that he said, I said in a dream where you know, you have, you can, even on your worst
days, you can still compete against the best teams and they don't have that.
On their worst teams, they will lose to Parker abandoning it.
I also feel like the meta has kind of followed them as well.
And when that happens, I think ages ago when Falcons was on their like run, they're
like crazy run the first time.
We asked Ali about this in an interview, like what happens when the meta follows you,
like are people learning how to play against the Maranhas and these like Falcons type heroes
and he basically said like, not just people think that something is good, they therefore
play it themselves and then when you're playing it, you know how to play against it, you know
what's annoying for you.
So like for instance, Windranger, I always go back to this hero, like I feel like nobody
was playing it except for OG and then everyone was playing it and then now it's not this
like special thing that OG picks still, they're one level ahead of other teams
the win ranger but then other teams kind of learn to play against all of these meta picks
that they define so I feel like that's hurting OG currently is that they need to reinvent themselves
not because they're not good but because everyone has copied them at this point you know.
I do believe they qualified for Birmingham so I think so anyway.
But we can take a look at how it happened for this one because group stages are now
done so we have the full results for both groups which is obviously pretty cool to look
We started with 16 teams that was just Monday that we still had 16 teams
And now we got the eight teams a left Aurora Paravision team liquid and that boom out of a group a
miles ton of Falcons in extreme gaming out of group B
With yeah a couple of teams falling outside these top eight and I will say though
I feel like I mean maybe I say this every time that I feel like the the scene is just getting more and more
Stacked because there's a lot of teams that I would expect to see in the top eight
But then I don't really know who I would remove from the top eight
I think my biggest surprise and I think we talked about this for quite a few times already is Aurora
Who basically played in qualifiers they played in the vision 2 for dream league they played in
They want a tier 2
Fisher event obviously and they they just
They just came out swinging right. This is a team that I don't know if we were expecting it to do as well as it did
Yeah, I mean no war was a team. I didn't get to watch too much
But the game I did see them I really like I that was the Abaddon game from from nightfall that I saw that I really
That I really enjoyed as an old and I think they're just coming up with they're cooking up different stuff
That'd be my impression of them right now like they're not they're beating they're marching to the beat of their own drone
I I'm just gonna say I hope Lorna finds a way to stay on the team. I really feel like
It's nothing about Lakota. It's just like every team Lornaff has played on since that stint
on Tundra they've been good it's like what what is happening in the games like how are his comms
is there something that he has a curse he's cursed but you know what the funny part is
that when aurora was still uh an sva team fully sva they at some point needed a standard
and they got lured and it was lauren off it's always lauren off and they always do well
And his individual performance in these games is always insane.
He's like doing crazy shit on Storm.
He's the first picking Huskar and going for like crazy builds.
Other people don't know because he's the Huskar expert.
It's like I just this this team is something special right now.
And maybe it's a lightning in a bottle type situation with it was a chimera.
What was the team?
Yeah, it was a chimera.
Maybe it was an epic run.
Maybe it's another one of those runs.
And Aurora will go back to being like okay tier.
But I'm glad to see it, because there's so much fun to watch.
Are you trying to say Aurora is about to disband?
Or...
No, not that level.
That was many lightnings and many bottles.
That was very unique situation.
We can take a look at the EWC events for this season.
Of course, this is the second stop of four
and the reason why we saw that boom being so happy
after winning this Best of Threes.
Of course, they can have more points out of this season.
And this is the current standing so you already see that there has been a bit of an update from when you saw it last because a lot of points
You also get out of the group stages better yet if you're top three in your respective group, which unfortunately for bedroom
Obviously, they're not but the others
You get some extra points out of that one too, and it is a pretty tight
Pack obviously winning an event will give you a lot of points
But I'd say the middle of the pack normally for the EPT it can get really close and really tight and especially if you
Know especially if you're normally also in the middle of the pack for the event
You got to get every point that that you can when he seems qualified eight
Probably okay, I'm clear. Yeah, cuz I mean bedroom team and liquid are poised to take over og so this series today was potentially
Yeah, siding factor. Well and on top of that, I believe
correct me from bedroom did qualify
for Birmingham and liquid not so that's that's a lot of points we just saw that
Birmingham has the most points out of any event there in the in the circuit
that's the word for it yeah I mean it's a land it should and I think that leader
board to be honest lends itself to what you said about close to seniors right
now like I think this is genuinely the closest ever been I think like the fact
Yeah, next is top of the points, and they did not make it their attitude.
They literally did foul the group.
You look at a couple years ago, Falcons, wow, they're number one in points.
They first to the group.
Yeah, you make Godye, they're number one in the points every time.
And even if you go back further to like the Liquid with Coro and Moth,
who are the team's secret era of dominance,
like the number one team was always the number one team,
and they just beat everyone's teams.
Yeah, everyone's group as well.
Yeah, and it's just not like that anymore.
I feel like you look at that group,
and I think legitimately all eight of those teams could win the tournament.
And I don't think that's ever been another time in Dota history that's been the case.
No, there's been three teams that have like been consistently at the top and now it's like yeah, you're right 100%
Let's do something fun then. Let's pick our favorites right now.
Tiebreaker Day, we can see the groups, no wins whatsoever. Let's pick our favorites.
See, I'm a bit conflicted because if you would have asked me this four days ago, I would have said Falcons.
But they haven't been as consistent as...
I mean, that's a story for every single team that's the point.
They've been busy, you know.
Busy doing what? Playing other Dota games?
Probably playing Fall Guys.
I don't think they're playing Fall Guys.
You never know.
Is anyone playing that game anymore?
Anyway, I think, I think, I agree with the Falcons.
I think, I think, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go say Falcons 1.
Okay.
I'm gonna say Tundra 8.
What am I...
It's the fall of the house of Tundra.
You would say this is before the group so we saw it. Trust me. It's coming
Is coming that's that's yeah that no I hear it. I feel it
When you put your ear to the ground you can hear the trucks in the distance
Yeah, I hear the tundra truck crashing into the into the road
Who is on top of team I was gonna say mouse actually I'm gonna go with mouse
That's a spicy one. Yeah, cuz you know, yeah, Yandex who's like on top and they lost everything
Everything, Maus was like on the bottom and now they're rising to the top.
Now they're here.
They're on the bottom and now they're here.
I think if I go for Falcons first, I would maybe go for Paravision second.
I'm not choosing Aurora because I'm thinking that maybe not enough people have seen what
type of dota they're playing yet and therefore they haven't been able to properly be counter
Jett so.
Yeah, they could get top four but maybe not win the whole thing you gotta have some you gotta have some consistency factors
That'd be a quite the miracle run if they did I mean paravision could win the whole thing
I agree with that. I feel like they kind of shut down the haters a little bit with the with the DM replacement rest in peace
The excellent amazing player. He's not dead to be perfect. He's alive. He's alive
Is his off-lane career for paravision? Maybe not so much
And with the Estini stuff, but they're they're dominating their games look incredibly good their new off-laner looks like a
the
That's cute silence. Let's take a look at the schedule for tomorrow schedule. I should have said that one rather than silence
All right schedule for tomorrow if you want to see paravision now
Oh, it actually is going to be paravision versus war that's going to be hype there the third series of day
I think actually if we all pick a series of the day you can't pick the same one as other people
But I think Aurora versus paravision is my pick of the day
I'm going for Malz vs Tundra because I gotta see if Tundra, if it's truly in the wind.
The fall of the Roman Empire.
Yeah, that'll be both of your predictions happening at the same time.
Yeah, that's true.
I think I'm Liquid vs XG here.
I think XG, when you watch Ana vs a good team, I think it's always, which Ana are we seeing?
Are we seeing Lee Sin and Gaeva?
You're calling Liquid a good team?
I think they're decent.
I'm gonna go with the only remaining left and stay.
Team Falcons vs Betfum team.
That's going to be a scrappy one. Both teams are potential grand finalists, but they've looked a little inconsistent.
I think that makes for some of the most fun in bestota.
Yeah, I just forgot that I have heard that Nisha is playing pub, so maybe I should put Liquid at the top.
They did just win the LAN as well, you know?
And there's a lot of pressure for them to do well because they didn't qualify to Birmingham, as we just said.
And they need those points because qualifiers is not where you want to be.
That was loud.
I can tell you right now. There is no greater motivator to team liquid roster than to know they don't have to go through a qualifier
There you go. So hey man, they are fired up and ready to go shiver. Yeah, so maybe maybe okay
We we were talking about top three anyway, they'll be in the top three. Yeah, but it's dream league
Yes, like we need to aim like as one curse for the other niche applying pubs and dream league
What's gonna happen? Nobody knows. Of course, and we'll object. Yeah now keep in mind team and the team
I mean you guys are home tomorrow
We have a little bit of a difference guys as you just saw with four best of threes
No, what two games theories only one stream and we start a little bit earlier, so
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Yeah, I feel a fire
For your body close to me, yeah
That ain't gonna die
Let the music search me again
I feel the rhythm that you're playing
It's so fine
All mine
The way your movements got me in ecstasy
Yeah
Oh no, I can't get enough
When we dance in our current lives
Yeah
I'm bringing up fire
Will your body trust me?
Yeah
That ain't gonna die
Let the music start to scream, yeah
Oh, let me in, let me in, yeah
These lonely things
Starts lying on the ground floor
Oh, yeah
But when we touch
You're cruising around
Now I'm up, yeah
I can't get out, I can't get out
Woo-hoo!
Now I'm free to the bone
Your body closest to me
Yeah
Hey commander
Let the music stop it's free
Yeah
Now I'm free to the bone
Your body closest to me
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that fancy dance, give me some of that
I want to tell my life to make my dance
Get me some of that good stuff
Give me some of that fancy dance
Give me some of that high life
I want to tell my life to make my dance
Give me some of that
Give me some of that fun stuff
Give me some of that dancing club
Give me some of that fun alive
I won't stop until I make no dance
Get me some of that good stuff, get me some of that dance
Get me some of that high love, I want to come and have a day in the dance
Give me some of that good stuff
Give me some of that dance
Give me some of that highlight
I want some of that make it open
I want to be where the party's jumpin'
We'll take your time to know you well
No need to ask the night is our first
So, friend, time to leave your stress behind
Let me wake and move your thing
I want to see you do it some more
Ain't no words that can describe
The feeling that comes over me
Cause I want you to stop dancing
The night comes over me
Cause I know you stop the dance
Are you gonna do the rest of the day?
So baby, tonight won't you get
Into the blue
It's the perfect time to night
Don't make talk to me so true
So come with me
You wanna let us get behind
Let this party go on
Let your heart go on
Dance, dance, dance tonight
Dance tonight in the wake
Tonight tonight we fall out
Tonight, tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
Dance tonight, awake
Tonight, tonight we fall in love
Tonight, tonight is all
Dance, dance, dance tonight
Don't ever stop, never
Tonight, we fall in love
Don't ever stop, never
So really tonight
Don't you get it?
Into the real
It's the perfect kind of life
To me, fortune's untrue
So come on, keep me
You wanna leave those kids behind
And let this funny boy
Get in my heart and go
I'm so into you girl
Can you feel the groove?
So into you
Can you feel the groove?