Enough, I can't pay more
Enough, enough it all went wrong
Enough, enough I don't know why
But it's over now so let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we sink in the roof we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, I love as no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't want more
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, you know when
Enough, enough, I don't know
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just save
Enough
I can't go on
Enough
Oh
Enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just save
All right, give me what you got
You love music, don't you love
Give me what you got
Don't you ever remember
Just stop me up
You got the rush
Just turn me up
Kiss my man's heart
Just turn me up
And I'll crush
Just turn me up
Kiss my man's heart
It's been six long days since I saw you baby.
I've been playing with hours, minutes, seconds, until you've packed in my mouth again.
Monday night staying in my bed and shooting night, I keep a bit lazy,
with the night I'm getting sick of being.
With the night I go to the movies, Friday night is right to get through,
The low is silent and the deep is scantily tuned
Spend the night!
Just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it to you
Don't care for nothin' else, just wanna know you will
Just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it to you
Don't care for nothin' else, just wanna know you will
This whole thing about nothing else on my mind
All I really need is just to have you, girl
And I like to take it for a ride
That you can never forget
All the lessons that you've never seen
That's a good time you can't forget
Time will always remember
There's a light
On the way light
So I'm on, on, on in the world
Don't stop us, we just can't stop us
In the world
On the way to life
On the way, on the way
In the world
Don't stop us, we don't want to get scared
There's a light
On the way to life
On the way, on the way
In the world
Gonna start that
No one can stop
First time I saw you, I knew I had to have you
I don't mean to one night stand, gotta find a way to be a man
It's something I go and turn and look at me
You'll smile and turn me on and set my mind at ease
I'm trying hard not to stare, don't wanna look past it
Just trying to play it cool, gotta show you that I'm worthy
You walked in all the hair and seemed to leave this room
I just had to find a way to get in there, so yeah
Here to testify, they will be hit with a chance for me to satisfy
Yeah, they'll pay your heart and I'll fill their mind
Don't wanna push me up, just a little kind
I'll be inside, checking me out, trying to figure out what I'm all about
What I'm gonna do if I don't make you stay in the shop
If I don't get pushed through, I'll take you right out
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I can't wait to show you that my love is true to love.
I don't wanna miss a chance
Would you mind if I took your hand?
On the floor, baby, let's dance
Extended cut, DJ, make it last
With the only ones I hear
Was so untruly screwed
Intoxicated by the way
I'm a new move
This is my huge
I'm a second spot
I'm in the building of mine
Don't trust me out, cause I'll
Drive him afit
Come on!
Just give me the beat that's all I need
Just move your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't feel free
Don't have to eat like an oven baby, give me that oven
Make me wanna lose control
I just wanna lose control
Cause when the beats stop popping
And the party get jumping
Everybody get on the floor
Cause if you lose your mind
And you lose your crew
Then you know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood
I'll tell you what the crew got
So I'm now you're my life
Just give me the beat
I just wanna move my foot down
Yeah
Just give me the beat
I just wanna move my foot down
Just give me the beat
I don't wanna step in your toes when I see you moving
I don't wanna let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
We just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for your amusement
Don't have to heat like an oven, baby, give me that oven
Ain't me wanna lose control
Can win the beat, stop pumping in the party
Get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool
You lose your cool, then you know what you're doing right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life, just give me the beat
Just give me the beat, I'll just fall under my feet
Now, just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I'll just fall under my feet
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just wanna do my thing around
Just do me a big, just do me a big
I just wanna do my thing around
Just do me a big
Just give me a beat
No one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
No one can do
Feel it like a one can do
Just how you feel
Feel it like a one can do
Just how you feel
Nobody likes you, when the ache to the sleep you do it
And the thump to the end you do it
Nobody wants to dance no more
Nobody does it better
When the ache to the sleep you do it
And the thump to the end you do it
Nobody wants to dance no more
Nobody does it better
If you want what you need in the store
All you need to do is say yeah
Yeah, we are me and the fence where you see, and we show you how I do.
I look at you, just how you do.
I get you through, I look at you, I like you.
I look at you, just how you do.
I get you through, I look at you, I like you.
Just how you like a girl, just how you want it
You dream of it, you trip the clue, amazing
I'm living cat-girl, champion and find my mind
Right in the catty, driving to my peach house
Are you the fire in his friends, from a night don't count
Just be you, yeah, just be you, cause you're in his special
Shadows of the dawn that you need to
Love is super for you
That's for you, yeah, that's for you
Cause no one's gonna get us constant
No one can move
Just how you do
How I let you do
No one can move
Like you want to
Just how you do
How I let you do
No one can move
Ain't nobody lets it matter
You need it, what the answer for?
Everybody dance, man
You need it, what the answer for?
The back bloody tongue!
Dream League Season 28 is brought to you by DHL.
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He is! Now the focus is on SteakKanag, who tries to run away, and he's doing a good job of that because of that bastard, and now Natsumi and company are burning so hard right now!
That's a little coming out for the Dire this time. Jeeaah! They're getting pulled right back in. This is a macro fire too.
It's no-ball, but he's gonna, it's no-ball out to the side, getting through. Hero's down here, Jukiro reverse the ball, boom!
and a zip away!
Esha thinking that he can make something happen on Katomi as the axes come out but it's too late.
A triple kill for Esha and now going in for the ultra!
Hunch is thinking about coming, Esha wants it bad and he gets it!
The ramp page is seven and a half!
Two and two late perhaps and Dave Ommy needs to be picked up inside the snowball
but after that though, good ice bath, macro pyre on top of the Primal Roar that looks very pretty.
That's the end of the group stage one and we took the Candice group one day off.
We didn't take any time off.
We are constantly bringing you high quality Dota.
Our group stage one is done.
My group stage 2 is starting and we're getting into it with Rapagea Panthers!
The tempo may be all off because Yanns is still thinking in two games series mindset.
You go again to best of threes because of all of our two games series are now concluded.
Group stage one is over and now it's time for the league part of the dream league.
It's going to be a whole bunch of best of threes between eight of the remaining teams
of our original 16 and I've got the same old panel.
Oh, I do not mean to say old panel, just a panel.
Welcome back, Perian and Cap and Avery.
I think offense is there.
Thanks on behalf of 10.
Thank you.
the only old person here. Same usual panel. Thanks. I'm going to sell it there.
Yeah, thank you. Welcome back gentlemen to group stage 2 where we got the chance to witness
a nail-biter of a tiebreaker. You were hyping up OG and after game 1 you were like, alright
this is the first of four games that they have to win. Is that correct?
Yeah, I did not think that they had it in them.
And it turns out they did.
It turns out they did.
Out of the five games that a BedBoom team and OG played,
BedBoom only needed to win two to move forward into our group stage two.
And they could take a look at some of the moments from that tiebreaker
because it was a heartbreaking whistle for OG.
They fought long and hard, Avery,
but ultimately, even as many thick ravages as Tim's gets from Lyon,
Maybe the most expected result in some way though.
I think if you're an OG fan you expect to be disappointed.
And they disappointed.
In the most heartbreaking fashion that they could extract from this entire roundabout long best of 5 series by losing to game 5 in a very close way.
I actually feel like it's more OG for them to make it through group stage 1 and then almost make playoffs but don't ultimately get 5-6 like they do every other tournament.
I really wanted them to win.
I mean, maybe that's but well it buys but I think OG is the most fun team to watch right now
Agreed just as a neutral observer, and if you're not neutral, they're probably still the most
So they're just good to have in the tournament. You know, kind of sad to see him go
I think they have really cool strats. They're very creative. They'll play anything and then they just they're wild man
They're a C team at heart. The win games. They'll throw games. They'll lose games. They should win the win games
They should lose they'll neutral games. They should maybe not neutral anything's possible
I think it was them from YoPage, man.
I thought he had them there, dude.
I will say, Kyrtich won me over on his Muerta game.
That was pretty sick performance.
This one, the Keds, he was on our quest, Keds, but that Muerta game was really sick.
They're in high definition, you can see the Bebgum last.
Celebrating.
And with that result, that means that Bebgum team get themselves a yellow highlight in
Group A, despite having the same overall game score as OG, we had Aurora, Paravision, Liquid, and Bebou moved through.
OG, Yandex, Pain Gaming, and Jakult were eliminated, and in Group B, Navi, Team Spirit, Game Religion, and Ex-Decration were eliminated.
Ted, any surprising results out of these 16 teams?
Um, I did expect better from Yandex and Navi. Obviously, Navi is a young and kind of an experienced, so it's easy to say.
I mean, going 7-7 means, you know, some of these games could have gone either way, very close, and all the rest of it.
But yeah, Nets look good in MULTURE, and now they're 3-11, so I don't know what the hell.
Um, yeah, it's a weird one.
I haven't seen much of Ex-Decoration, Game of Legion, Yakult, or Paine gaming lately, so I can't really speak to them, but...
Well, you're not gonna see anymore.
Indeed.
I was gonna say, Paine did not meet my expectations.
Actually, in some ways, I think they didn't meet my expectations, but they also overexceded them, uh, with the Parker drama stuff.
Nice thing.
Well done to him.
Which group do you guys think was stronger?
Ooh, that's a good question.
I think it's Group A.
I think it's Group A, but I am giving Aurora like a buff right now, because if that is
the group of guests, which I think most groups are pretty even, but Aurora still dominated
it that hard, and I think that they are a shark in this group too, which is, as you can
see, all eight teams that survived.
What group was Extreme Gaming in?
They were Group A.
Oh, were they?
Oh, no, no, no, sorry.
They were group B.
That's right.
You almost ruined my point.
You know what I'll read it.
Which group was Extreme Gaming in?
Group B.
Group B, thank you, Ed.
So group A was the group of death.
Excuse me, no.
Wherever Almey is, is the group of death.
That's just, that's simple.
I'd say he almost died, as in they almost didn't make it.
That's right, but he will surprise you in this group stage, too.
Stand by my word.
You know what I'm going to say?
Aurora did great.
It's so common in every bloody tournament I've worked.
What will happen is one team will absolutely spank everyone in the first group stage and then just do nothing
Just always the way it goes. Usually it's eG but they're gone
Exactly the mantle's wide open for the takey anyone could claim this crowd
There's VGJ storm a long time ago. Yeah, that wasn't one of the groups
Why are you gonna throw them in that? Come on man. That's an unnecessary blow. We won that team. Yes
That's why you named it. Let's see
I've won a ti group one of the old ti groups would like the 18 teams
You won that group. Who else was on your team?
Actually, one of the highest winery group stages of all time.
He's serious. Wow. What happened next?
We've been on that all the time.
Who was on that slide? You, Snake King, and three other guys.
Yeah, just three other dudes.
We picked them up outside the stadium.
You guys know how to play Dota?
Turn up.
Plumbers and Postman.
Then they had to go back to work. That's what went wrong.
That's how you phone Jack KBBQ out there also.
Like, did you want to match?
He was actually our door-to-shouldered man.
But we thought, you know, this guy, he would see us promising.
Give him a shot. Worst decision I ever made.
Love you, brother.
He's going back to school.
You guys know him?
Really? I did not.
He never got his GED.
No, it doesn't.
Is he getting a master?
I can't tell if that was a joke.
Is he getting a master from his raving?
Master's in raving hell. Yeah, he wants to do like a sports psychology or therapy really do you think he would excel in that?
Yeah, I think he'd be great at it. Yeah, he's good. It's
Let's get it. He's a good person. He is. Yeah, I see you struggle. I see you struggle. He's good
Good at range of things good. Yeah, he's good. He's a good man
Good man, definitely good at plumbing the depths of people's psyche. That is true
I'm also wondering the things that we are good at because as you have been watching if you've been tuned in for the entirety of
Dream League season 28 thus far, we have been doing some friendly competitions between the morning shift and the night shift in the form of tasks,
be it creative tasks or skill-based tasks, and we most recently had a vote on which tie-dye shirts look the best between morning shift and the night shift.
And wouldn't you believe it? You guys at home voted in Twitch chat.
Show me the money! We lost again!
Kevin won again!
I got 4% of the vote? Me or you got 4% of the vote?
Yeah.
Fucking Kev.
How did Kevin get 50...
This is weird.
I can't remember Kev's shirt. Man, this sucks.
This is rigged as hell.
Kevin actually is really rigged because honestly they all look garbage.
It was equally garbage.
Kev.
I want you to look. Do we have a theory us morning crewers?
Yeah.
Okay, if you look they call to action to vote doesn't happen until the evening shift
Exactly, and Shiva says things like don't forget to vote. You can vote. They're gonna switch it right now
You can vote for my team. We make some great stuff really rainbow drip and everybody goes and votes for
for her and her crew and look at us we got Neil Poir
It's like the uk euro vision entries for the last 50 years. I agree. We held these votes in the morning
Yeah, it'd be the complete reverse. We do a lot better reverse sweep. I think there was at least one that was a straight-up objective
Yeah, I agree. What is that? Yeah, it looks like a makeup. It's like a paintbrush
It's like a paintbrush perhaps it might even be a paintbrush because I
Think it might be a little hint at what we should expect for today's task
Oh, Windsor and Newton foundation line of fine fine paintbrush never read of it. If you had to make an assumption Ted
What do you think we're doing today?
Baking it's
And we're using that for the glaze glazing. I see
No, I believe we have a different task. I don't know if our
Disco Steve or in this case disco Bob is ready to bring it down for us
Disco Bob
He's milking the pit!
He's got a lot to give!
Ten? Yes, sir!
Would you mind grabbing the box out of the disco box and...
Oh, here you go.
Thank you, disco box.
Thank you very much, disco box.
Now, it's this Saturday and you're only just now tuning into Dream League for the first time so far.
What are you doing?
Let's start on a banger group stage one, but we have these tasks that we complete during both shifts.
It's morning shift versus night shift, creative or skill base.
We've made cakes, we've made bead art, we've made tie-dye shirts, and we made a puzzle.
And now, what are we making, Ted? Read the part on the top.
I don't know. Can it possibly be as exciting as those things? Let's find out.
Making love.
Oh, Leonardo DiCaprio de Vinci Bolliniers.
Okay.
What?
Work together with your teammates to create a masterpiece.
You have been commissioned to paint a scene of any Dota hero of your choice being ganked.
TwistChat will vote on which team's gank painting is best.
I wonder who's going to win that vote.
That rigged vote?
That happens at 8pm tonight.
We have.
I mean, to be fair, these are artistic tasks and...
Ooh!
Not our strong stuff.
Some acrylic gloss paint.
OK.
That looks very nice.
and a shitload of paintbrushes.
And both shifts get a full set of everything.
They tried to give us an advantage with the toy di-ball.
Oh, that's a huge board.
Whoa!
Look at this.
Very nice.
Wow.
Oh, my God!
Not that professional.
That's why he's a musician and not a science-bender professional.
Thank you very much.
Wow, that is massive.
So we got a canvas.
Do we have an easel?
Well, I mean, it's gotta be a gank, so you're talking about at least six different heroes got a fit on this.
I mean, heroes you think are on a team, Cap?
Well, why is a hero ganking one person?
Yes.
Oh, okay.
The math has been changed.
Ha ha ha ha.
Or it could be five or five, but a game implies there's lesser numbers.
Yeah, you're right.
Do you have a...
Do we have an easel?
I don't believe we'll have an easel.
Okay.
You are supposed to paint it on this table.
So we're gonna rest it down and paint.
I believe that'll happen, but...
That's gonna be tricky.
We'll save that during Game 1. Avery, I need sources of you, my muse.
Can you give me some ideas on a hero that should be getting ganked or the hero's doing the King King?
Ponder it.
He's having a good sink.
Ponder it like an orb.
Well, it's one hero that stands out.
Okay.
Just looking at Ted.
Go on. Is it an activation hero, bald hero, and bald hero?
I was going to say I.O.
Okay, I see.
We are both I.O.'s.
True. You've got the blue going on this kind of IO color scheme.
So you want IO doing the gang king?
No, IO getting gang. IO getting gang.
IO getting gang.
And I think you should be getting ganged.
No, actually this is stupid.
Let's do somebody getting ganged.
Yeah.
By all the nature heroes, you know.
There we go, profit.
Yeah.
Tree and protector.
Enchantress.
Hoodwink.
Who else?
You do Timbersaw, getting ganged by tree and protector.
Oh yeah, that's nice.
Oh, he's hot to true.
That's good.
The harder it is, the more points you get.
No, we need a hero getting ganked.
Who would be the fifth natures? Earth Spirit?
Earth is kind of natural, isn't it?
We have a tree base here.
Maybe not a couple of natures profit, tree and protector, hodlink and chantress.
I mean, I would say Monkey King jumping down from one of these.
That would be some good. He's jumping down.
Monkey King, and who are they ganking?
I was thinking Crystal Maiden. She gets ganked a lot.
Crystal Maiden was the first hero that came to mind when you asked Avery, because Avery hates Crystal Maiden.
I thought the table was actually good, because it's like revenge of the poor.
That's what I thought.
I like the fees.
Cutting all the trees here, there's like no more tree-catching for you.
Okay, yeah, let's do that. I like that.
Put it in high.
What's this? My idea then.
Thank you, talent.
Thank you for accepting my idea.
That's the idea.
That's pretty good.
You're right. That's brilliant, Avery.
Get on board with us. Get on board with us.
All right, all right, you guys got me.
Happy to have consulted for you, Jeff.
Well done.
This is how an American executive board works.
Yes, they should all receive my stock off as a bonus.
I'll like it.
And the other thing that we had covered,
do you know how many points were on the line in our...
105 points!
That's correct, 105 points were on the line yesterday
for our third place in the group stage one,
depending on how well you placed in group stage one.
You get bonus points, and that's just
a portion of the 2390 points that we're handing out at...
Gah!
...in 28.
That's what I'm saying!
105 points.
Gah!
Can you give me a good British bloody hell bloody hell? I realize you never say that
You know not really not that much
Around you guys
Every single time Trent says a it really sticks out to me, and I have to
Multiple of the teams that can we sorry production can we wind back for the previous graphic just no
No, we don't understand that.
Is that okay?
There's only a four.
No, there's no going back.
There.
So Yandex Spirit OG didn't make it.
Is that because they've already got enough points that they don't care?
No.
Or do they desperately need the points?
They desperately need the points.
I mean, Yandex was in relatively good shape for winning Dream League Season 27, but still,
there are, there's still Season 28 Birmingham and Season 29 to dethrone them.
It's a lot of points.
How are Pipsqueak plus four doing?
That's what I want to know.
Not great.
Great.
Alright, sorry, next graph, my apologies.
Uh, that's it for what has been happening, but you want to know what is happening in
the future today.
We can take a look at the schedule.
We had four different streams running concurrently during Group Stage 1 and now you've got to
be locked here on this stream.
This is the only stream.
It quickly changed from tomorrow to today.
That's how...
We traveled through time rapidly to bring you Team Liquid vs. Extreme Gaming.
that we're gonna have Mao's taking on Tundra,
and the night shift will walk you through Aurora
versus ParryVision, and they will close out the day
with Falcons versus Bat Boom Team.
Let's go extreme.
Gaby, Gaby, since when did you become such an expert?
As he predicted them, and he hates Liquid.
You predicted them, you said?
I hate Liquid because nobody else does, and somebody must.
So I take that burden upon myself.
There, now.
I don't even have anything against the team.
I think they're a great team, great org,
great players, great coaches.
Everything's great about this team. That is why I despise it.
You're a contrarian.
That's right. I pray for the downfall of great Dodo.
Dynasties and their day will come.
There will be a day, mark my words friends,
where you look upon Nisha and he is washed.
Damn.
That's a nightmare scenario.
But today is not that day.
Today is not that day.
But we'll see if you truly believe that.
We can take a look at our predictions that we've been making.
First, we'll take a look at our leaderboard after group stage one.
Oh, my God!
The top, damn it!
Okay, you're tied with Ted, bit Quinn, and Avery.
Yes, I am. I got serious.
Why did you get placed at the top?
Uh, don't ask, Cap, because you'll be infuriated by the response.
Well, I mean, your second place...
Host gets a tie-break position.
And co-host also does.
I should be above, because it goes PQRST.
It should go me, then Quinn, then SVG, and then Neil.
If we go alphabetically, I think we'll allow it.
Oh, I know it's because you guys know that we're going by the length of the name actually obviously Ted should be first and the Neil should be second
I just hide my power level very long. I'm dumber than Dota 10 is the only non-American in the top eight. Yeah
Hey, look, it's the downfall of liquid
It's in the end 13
Well, let's see who he had in mind for these predictions, Jenkins and Avery.
Hell yeah, brothers, let's go.
Oh, there you go.
You are correct.
Not very many people are believing in Xtreme for this one.
I will say Jenkins being the whole of the others, making me question myself.
You're doing the opposite of what he actually believes.
Oh no.
Yeah, Jenkins is intentionally trying to be contrarian and inadvertently getting quite
if you're correct. But he went for Extreme, second series. Seems like a pretty even split
between Mouse and Tundra, maybe slightly Tundra-favored. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Yeah, by 3.
By 3. Aurora and Parry Vision. Now this is impressive. Aurora, we have not gotten to
catch any Aurora on the mainstream, but based off of their results, people are just like,
yo, surely they got the sauce of a Parry Vision?
Yeah, I think so, based on the numbers alone.
No, they gave me the brilliant analysis
They're feeling the feeling it well
Dota's very vibes based game a lot of the time in the last series falcons versus a bedroom team
Not being contrarian on this one ever going with the flow
I actually mean contrary to the contrarian. Oh, I think layers, which is thus put me back into
Always super expectations
Always subvert, X-Men.
Never let them know you're next to me.
That's right.
Just when you thought I was going to subvert,
I subvert the subversion.
How come Shannon is the only one with that?
Actually, Neil, you also have the only normal face.
Everyone else is making some goofy face,
but who do you just choose to do?
That is my normal face.
To compose.
On all the announcement photos, they're doing like me
doing the advert munch scream.
I'm like grasping my face.
That's a good one.
So they can only use that photo so many times
before it gets played out.
Some groovy looks.
We'll get to listen to them during a draft, perhaps?
I missed them yesterday.
I didn't see that.
You should have without them.
No.
But they need a day off, you know?
Alright, so question.
Which one of you guys is actually going to be doing the painting?
Are you guys going to leave that to Effie?
Uh, I don't know.
I did do art, A-level.
I don't trust you when it comes to art at all after that cake.
I could... I... I... It was very good sabotage, which was my goal.
We all used to have colors. Someone took that color out.
I actually don't know.
Not physical art. Digital art, I can make my way through.
But you know paint!
I do know paint!
That is true.
We were good at watching the paint draw.
My former day job was I did research at a paint company.
Are you kidding me?
That's correct.
Did you actually watch paint draw?
paint dry. That was my joke because I washed paint dry for a long time.
Fucking ridiculous. Yeah, I know, right? So I can tell you adhesion properties and colors
and salinity levels because it was marine paints and stuff like that.
Wow. Tell us more now. I'm sure the audience would love to hear about it.
Or perhaps they would prefer to hear a little bit more about our upcoming series. It's time
for Extreme vs Liquid.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Liquid Versus Xtreme, with a preamble up to that series.
And people always talk about, they talk about Nisha, they say he's a great laner, he's
one of the best laners the game has ever seen, but why is he such a good laner?
So today I thought I'd break down a little bit of Nisha's laning, we talk about so much,
makes him so good. What little tiny things make him tick? Let's get right into it. I mean,
meat and potatoes are the matter. Let's watch Elaine together. Let's learn. Here we go.
For starters, he's playing range versus melee, which means he should be probably favored here.
Storm is very good against primal. You can see right off the bat, he starts hitting the range creep.
He nukes it, which is very, very good as now the wave is pushing. And now he's in a position where
he can do something called holding your hostage on the range creep. He draws the creeps back to
the range creep here and you can see Primal Beast and he comes up to hit it
then he's gonna get pounded by Storm a million times and take a bunch of damage
so instead what he does is he doesn't hit this Primal here for a little bit he
waits, he waits a little bit and then when Primal comes too close now he beats the
crap out of him but still the range creep is gonna get low and Primal lacks a nuke
so when heroes lack a nuke like this you can get him deny for free well bam now
he's got two denies and he's gonna get all four CS. 4 and 2 it's pretty much a
perfect first wave. Apparently he's only one and zero and now he's got a big HP
advantage. He can continue to hit and hit and hit. There's need to pull aggro. He
doesn't want to draw little creeps back because he wants to contest every CS. You
see here, Nisha is not too concerned with actually hitting the final here. What
he is concerned with is getting all the creeps and trying to deny every creep
you can. It's a big sign of a good laner is contesting all the creeps, not
getting any creeps away for free. Takes a little damage there, not the best trade
in the world, but he continues just last sitting calmly.
He's chilling, not a care in the world.
When you're really low HP like this,
you don't necessarily want to draw aggro
because you're kind of low
and so the other person can force you back.
So since he's low like this,
he lets Malorraine draw aggro on the creeps.
He isn't draw aggro.
He continues to chase up and deny the creeps.
There's more good solid fundamentals.
And now once again, it's a position
where the Primebot doesn't really have a nuke
and he can beat the crap out of him.
You can draw aggro, force the Primebot to use his mana
and get more good damage.
He's doing a great job.
So if we're looking at CS 9 and 5 to 4 and 0, it's all the little things, all the CS excellence.
Once again, the creep's coming up.
He's not getting too worried about hitting the primal.
He's focused on the goal, and the goal is getting gold.
The Dota's all about more free denies.
He's just chilling.
He's getting all that juicy, juicy money, and now the runes are coming up, and it's
only getting better from here.
Let me try to have him speed this thing up if I can.
There you go.
He's walking to the rune.
It's a rune.
Now he's got too much mana.
This is something you can also consider in your games.
When you have too much mana,
you've got mana regen and a full mana bar.
You want to spam your spells like crazy,
which is what he does.
He's got a lot of extra mana regen.
You use your mana,
and now you're in a dominant position.
You're up 16-8 to 6-0,
offering some little things,
some holding people hostage on the range creeps,
and some smack and some wham-wham-wham,
and focusing on those CS.
That's why, part of why, at least,
Nisha is why such a goaded laner,
and why Liquid, I think, are the favorites in the series,
and they have great chances to take a big ol' fat W.
W, W, W's in the chat.
W's in the chat.
Alright, let's go fully.
Could you touch on the holding the range creep hostage thing?
Is that something you can only do in a range versus melee matchup,
or is it because Primal didn't have any nukes?
It's generally a nuke versus no nuke thing.
It's not necessarily range versus melee,
but if you're in a situation versus what's on the hero lex and nuke,
maybe like Queen of Pain, who skills dagger level one,
she may have good harass potential,
But her actual last inning potential is nerfed by the fact that you've got a nuke potentially and she does not
So if you're a good HP situation you can draw aggro and now you can force her in a situation
You can take a favorable trade with her if the training is good for you
It's a tool in your arsenal
Gotcha, and if you want to learn more about such masterclass mid lane mechanics Quinn
Dare I said do you know the YouTube channel where we can learn more I
Do I do for chance? I was not gonna talk about that, but but I do thank you for I'll talk about it
Quinn Dota looking up on YouTube, but right now I need your expertise on our channel Quinn
Thank you very much for the lesson and come on down and then join us because we also need your artistic capabilities
But you don't want those we're gonna have to need them actually
Fianne I'm sharing this sentiment that Quinn's showing though is that Nisha's
Ability to extract every last bit of advantage out of these matchups has been on masterclass display especially for the past like two months
Yeah, I mean I feel like
So with Nisha, we talk about him a lot, right?
Because he's the type of player who has days where he looks like the best player in the entire world
and other days where maybe it feels like something isn't working.
I mean, but Nisha's something isn't working.
He's still better than most people's regular day.
Yeah, but hearing from Infania is actually pretty insightful
because the way that he perceives Nisha as a player is that he's just better than other midlaners
that are moving around the map and fighting as well, not just laning.
He actually thinks there are some players that outlay Nisha, not necessarily outlaying, but are better at laning mechanics than he is, but he thinks Nisha's strengths as a player is in how good he does everything, not just one thing.
And I thought that was interesting because we've always looked at Nisha as like, oh, a laning mid, but from Liquid's take, he's not that to them.
Yeah, I mean, I think, like, I agree with that too. I think one of Nisha's biggest strengths is incredibly consistent.
Like you never see him have these games where he's like has like six deaths or he's just chain-feeding or he gets ganked a million times in his games
Horrible it's always like his game is fine
And he will have impact and he if you sometimes he'll mega-own and carry the game will always be solid
We've been talking about like you know base levels and people's like floor compared to their ceiling some in the past days
And I think niche is a prime example not someone whose floor is just incredibly high
Like you said his worst days are better than a lot of players best days
I think that's like part of what makes him so great
It's just he doesn't really have bad games. The guy is just rock solid. It's like an adamantium
Although even with that Ted liquid has this rhetorically
Struggled a little bit of dream league as I'm sure you're privy to would you like to know the numbers behind that?
I think I can predict the numbers behind that. Okay liquid have sucked at every dream league they've ever played at
That is pretty accurate. We can actually look at the
compilation of their results since dream league season 19
Which was April 2023 you see that second place Quinn I do I do I know I know what happened there
Do you know what happened there? I do know what happened there?
You know what happened that entire year?
I do I do the first one was a little more head-to-head than the others
They weren't they weren't quite there for us
So we smacked them around once and then they were down to the shadow realms then yes, seriously you completely obliterated them
That was them
For added context, the reason why these results are so egregious is because you'd see something
like an eighth place, but right before that they had won a tournament or made it to the
grand finals.
Exactly right.
That also means to be said is that...
This is not just as beat liquid, exactly.
Mirror's right.
There was expectation.
There was form.
There was like, oh these guys just won so-and-so and then they turn up and they fucking finished
16th.
They were dog.
Year after year.
Not this time though.
No.
made it out of group stage one which is itself. They could still get AVE. They could. They
could. I didn't think they will. For their 2024 placements, they won TI that year.
Yes, they did. So I think the weird thing is definitely if you look at them as a team.
Sorry, after winning TI they got sixth place. Unbelievable. This is unbelievable. So they
They are kind of a 4-Me team, they're kind of a vibes team and we know that they have
emo moments where they have won something but then they're tied or they're just kind
of sad and that's like February 2024, who knows what happened before that but they
finished 13-14th, it's just like the way it goes.
Lunch was bad.
Yeah, it's something like we're sad and we're lonely so we're just going to lose and then
the next tournament they're like, everyone's like man they sucked at Dream League and I
was like, pow!
They look amazing so there's just some weird dream league curse.
I think it's a mental block that they had, but not anymore.
Not anymore.
I reckon they're going to win it this year.
No.
I will boldly proclaim that the curse is lifted.
Yeah.
I think perhaps the members who were cursed are not there anymore.
Damn.
Could that be it?
That is certain.
So I think by moving Insania into Dream League as a talent,
he's reversing the energy and sending it in another direction.
But that would have happened last season.
Actually, he absorbed it because he's lost place in our leaderboards.
But we're seeing it in action.
He's drinking the L.
We're seeing it in action.
He's doing this for a liquid.
There's a little voodoo doll for the car.
Or he's come here to wriggle the games for liquid,
and whilst the games are on, he's backstage
hacking into the main flying super computer
so that other teams lose.
Liquid aside real quick, I just wanted to touch on
the points we're making about Nisha.
I've heard also being said about MTS,
Not in the sense that he's a lane dominator, but when other mid players talk about him and I want to hear your insight on this Quinn, they say that he's the type of mid laner that's very hard to bully.
Like, even if he doesn't have good matchups or he doesn't pop off, you don't ever really shut him down or you don't really feel like you can push him out of the lane.
Yeah, I mean, he definitely sort of fits into that Malloryn category if he plays mostly bad matchups
And he specializes in slipping and sliding out of the hard ones
He's not someone who's gonna really try to stop you. He's playing primal and bad matchups or shaker and bad matchups or tinker against anything
He's just he I'm just trying to survive. I'm trying to farm. Yo guys chill. It's all good here. You know, look look over there
I'm gonna the creeps like that's that's nothing to say his playstyle
I do think he does have bad games more frequently. Nice. She does like Nisha
You'd be hard pressed to find a single bad game whereas NTS sometimes he does a little chain feeding
He does a little whoopsy daisy. So I think he's not
He's very hit or miss. I'm turn him as he owns and others just it's not all there
So we'll see what what NTS wake woke up today. No, I feel like with NTS
The days that we seem owning are just related to the entire team as a whole though because I've been preaching about this since last
streaming, but I do think Extreme Gaming's formula has shifted away from Ami being the
end-all and be-all in their drafts, and it's around the supports playing with NTS.
Like, especially with the addition of Fy, I feel like there's been a lot more activity
around that mid lane in particular, and for that reason, he's also been looking better.
Yeah, I think, uh, I mean, it's interesting.
Part of me still feels like Extreme should be, like, Ami should be the focus, because
I think NTS's playstyle isn't that suited towards last pick or being a focal point necessarily
And it's also such a contrast in the way they used to play like this guy for like seasons would only play first pick heroes and only play
Haught like the worst match you've ever seen and so I think it's an interesting contrast because they've had success with both styles
Yeah, and so like if they want to go back to you know
We're gonna play more on NTS because he is a skilled player a skilled team fighter
He's like rank one all the time we're like three TIs in a row or when everyone is on the same server
He was rank one
So we definitely like has the skills to pay the bills. It's like a stylistic choice for them and
You know which bills they want to pay and just for added
I guess evidence to this claim this from their last four games that I'm looking at
Three out of four of the games the last phase pick did go to NTS and one time it went to on my own
He's leaving and I do think that's also meta dependent in the sense that a lot of carries are
Pickable in earlier phases like the shadow fiend for example the kez after the Mars
So the last bit carries don't come out nearly as often.
I like the logger band here for sure.
You can lick the fatal bones off.
Yeah.
Lick the shadow word awful.
Yeah, we love them.
Big licker.
And it's been lick-wid as we know.
I do love this hero, so you can't let him lick.
A wid sounds like a British, like, slang term.
What does?
A wid.
Wid?
Like lick-wid.
Wid.
You know, quid sounds like a thong.
That would be such a wit.
Yeah.
Quid is heavy, right?
That's right.
It's close.
Yeah.
Lick quid.
I would lick a quid if I got to keep it.
Have you ever licked a quid?
Probably.
I feel like you're going to get all kinds of infections if you lick a quid.
First people are very clean.
The money's not.
A bit of primal beast.
We know Nisha knows this matchup as we saw in your segment, Quinn, with Extreme Gaming.
Pick it to follow up their warlock.
He asked me whether he could flex you to the awful universe.
Very true.
Excellent point, Theodore.
Thank you.
I will, actually. He's not saying it, but I made the same mistake when...
Ted was actually short for Edward.
Oh, not Theodore.
I'm not a Theodore.
Okay, good to know.
So, Edward.
Edward it is, exactly.
Or Teddy Bear, or...
But people call me Theodore anyway, I don't mind.
These are Primal's hell on earth supports to play against.
It's literally the two worst supports Primal to play against.
SD Giga counters you in the mid-game because not only does you not move,
so you don't do damage, but he has a save and he purges all your armor stacks from your yell.
So it's like one of the hardest counters in the game to Primal.
It's very interesting to me to pick it into it.
Clockwork also in the entire early game, if you ever try to fight him,
you just stun, stun, stun, stun.
You don't do any damage.
So, if he wants to fight, he needs a BKB, so he's going to be off lane, he's going to be farming it up, because there's no, if you're mid, primal against those supports, you can't do anything, because they just come to the runes, and they stop all your damage, so you're just a useless little kitten.
So, I like it much better that he's in the off lane.
It does feel mad to pick him like that, just sort of unprotected, really.
Yeah, almost anti-protected.
Yeah.
Like they pre-poked the hole, and then they, you know, like it's weird.
If you have nicked Box, he's famous Tusk. He's excellent on that hero.
Got sick of playing at a boss apparently, but certainly when I talked to him, he was like,
yeah, it's good, but it's just every game.
I think some of the pros, especially the supports, might feel a bit like a bot sometimes.
You just have to play the same hero, do the same thing every time.
It does get frustrating, but he's very good at it. But they nick that.
And they also nick Nisha's Puck, so interesting.
Yeah, this primal is interesting because four days ago, they did early pick it.
It's a hero that they've kind of moved their drafts away from, on XG, from what I've seen.
So, to me, this indicates a read on how they want to play against Liquid.
They want to be able to brawl against them.
They want to be able to just maybe force them into this clock support pick,
because the game that I'm talking about where they early picked the primal,
they had the clock pick right afterwards to cover for it.
This time around, maybe they think that if they force a lane like clock plus Razor,
and they got better scaling on Aume and they were like,
okay, we'll pick the puck after, we'll just brawl around it,
we're gonna bait you with this primal,
maybe we're gonna make you pick a hero
that we're comfortable playing against.
Could that be the line of thinking that they're going?
Cause it does seem very strange prioritizing it
if they're not gonna cover for it.
Yeah, it's possible.
I think it's also possible that they just like,
think this hero in the off lane is fine against anything
cause you just farm stacks and you farm BKB
and then we have BKB blink, then true, you can be hookshot,
but like, then clock is kinda suicide bombing
he's gonna die right after, like once Primal gets really farmed, like even Malorin will play this matchup
sometimes, which to me says that while it is the hardest support counter, like if you just get to your items
then Primal still does Primal things, so maybe they think the hero does not interact with the game
he just farms off lane, it's like he said play through NTS and they let X-XS be his little island boy
But you can, I mean, the Shadow Demon ult is still punishing for Primal, isn't it?
I mean, it's definitely still good
And who else are you using it on? Like at the moment, his only target is Primal
So, you're just gonna get ulted every single fight.
You will get ulted every fight.
But somebody's gotta get ulted.
That's the thing about SP.
You can't pick up five heroes that don't want to, that are chill getting ulted.
Like, SP is the first pick hero for reason.
He's gonna purge some guy.
There's demonic in the name of the spell.
Like it's a nasty spell.
It is.
How does this raise a story, man?
Go ahead.
Honestly, if you're comfortable early picking a hero, that means you're also comfortable
playing it into its classic counters.
Cause this was a hero they built around at TI, like they do love this hero, but I'm really
glad that they got the NTS puck here.
And speaking on that puck, we do have the puck versus Void Spirit matchup, I'm sure you
have a lot of things to say about that, Clint.
How does this matchup look?
You've been flaming every midfielder that isn't Isha on Void Spirit.
I have.
And I'll continue to do so.
No, I mean, this lane is, it should be Void Spirit favorite, but there's quite a lot
of skill expression.
I think NTS is one of the best puck players, and I think he has a lot of experience in
in this lane in particular.
I think the most likely result is flight advantage
for Void Spirit.
The next most likely result is draw,
and the result after that is like,
Void Spirit can stop, but I think Puck
like winning more than just a little bit is very unlikely.
I'm curious to see what ability goes from the game
because a lot of people we see go for the ags
in this matchup, that's what you typically think of, right?
You get two silences against Puck,
but we've also seen the ags lose a lot.
So I wonder if Nisha's like looking at the winnaries,
What is this idiot doing?
You don't recognize the word?
I'm very excited to cast this game.
No, what is that word?
Skipping. Skipping with joy.
I'll leave it up to you to figure it out. You can ask Gabe to read about it.
We did talk to no one and he was also saying that Void Spirit, Agatom, Scepter,
it's just, every single time you have to go for it, it feels bad.
Yeah. It's just, it's just sad.
Do you think there's a way to play this matchup without cutting ads?
I think you can just play out being tanky and just like,
Like, sure you coil me? I don't care. I have a lot of HP.
You can go Octurine and Sheavos and things like this and just beef up and then buy the
Axe a little bit later when you actually have like more kill threat.
Because you have like, you get disruption into, you know, the pull, the Void Spirit Q.
So it's like, now you have nothing against Clarke.
I mean, he's not gonna die, but, you know, that's the way it is, that's Clarke.
Does that feel like a viable option in this game in particular?
When you look at XG's draft, do you think he can get away with it?
What item progression would you go if you were playing?
Probably Vessel into Octorine into Axe.
But, like, maybe he feels like you need the Axe.
It depends a bit on how lanes go, I would say.
It's like a read, like a feel-based thing.
If you feel you have the, you have enough damage.
They also have another hero they haven't picked yet,
so maybe that hero has more stuns.
You feel like you don't need the Axe,
if you have a little more, a little more oomph.
It's probably why they ban out DK and Monkey King,
and Liquid are gonna let Mikke play the Razor,
and Aeth will get Mars.
Oh
Holy mollusk
I didn't know hesitation, Ame goes immediately to Faces of Void
It's like the best Faces of Void game I think I've ever seen
Really?
It's like insanely good against their heroes
Void Spirit
HATE that hero
Because you really don't want to buy the spell
And if you don't buy the spell then you can't play
Because you just get dilated
So it griefs your item build really hard
Because you have to buy like Manta or something
And you don't want to buy Manta
He's also very hard to burst this game like outside of arena spear any other initiation
We'll just you know leap out of they're gonna have to chain every single Sun correctly and void spirit when he goes for the burst
Unvoid and void survive. She just boop time locks it off
It also ups the potential value of in the agonist of her necessity for that void spirit
Yeah, the only downside is the early game damage coming out of extreme gaming
But honestly, it's not not so much of an issue if they're playing off their puck in the first place
Like you can chill a little bit on avoid and get your items in this game
Yeah, I mean, I think if extreme can hold off they can chill the game then I think they got it
I think liquids draft and ain't all that in a bag of chips. Ace's wearing aces apparently stick
He's got a mask on this mask boom effect. Yeah, I was gonna say it's under his nose
Yeah, he knows how I've also never seen him wear a mask. So I don't know if he knows how they work
So ace is still a little discombobulated. He's thick. You can't wear a mask properly
And he's playing Mars a hero that is not very comfortable on compared to some of his other heroes
is not Ace Underlord.
Would you have been more impressed with him?
Making excuses already, are we?
Given the razor.
Right?
I'm not making excuses.
I'm saying, look who's going to lose.
You're making excuses for a former teammate.
He's faking.
There's a reason he's not excuses.
He's thick.
When people are thick, they play worse.
You play better when you're thick.
You're charged up by the Germans.
Do you know for sure that he's thick?
Why also do you be wearing a mask?
Fashion.
I've got a coat from a previous teammate to me.
Got some paint fell in his mouth.
it looks weird so he's covering it with a mask. He's got a new tattoo, don't want people to see it yet.
For his first tattoo to be a base pat, he's sold all his teeth and you don't want people to know?
I was joking.
Are you just trying to come up with excuses?
I was trying to be funny.
Are any of these more likely than him being sick?
No.
Maybe, I don't know.
Face tattoo if you're in the child.
He's got a smile on his face.
And I was trying to come up with some more.
Fair enough Ted.
Thank you.
I think it actually is the paint falling on his face because we have some painting to do.
you have some game watching to do, and you're gonna do it.
Let's cap in that speech.
Another masterclass of drafting from Xiao, a counterpicking himself with a primal piece
and while you're looking at that and laughing at that, he sneaks in the old lash pick faceless
boy.
Qua-pow!
He got him.
He got real dirty with it.
He got both teams dirty with this one.
That's how Xiao ate drafts.
He outdrafts both teams at the same time.
That's why he is the master, the grand master, some would say.
I thought for a second you were going to say his own team was surprised by the last pick.
I think they were.
You're like, oh, shoot, he's a good pick.
We might have won this draft.
What happened?
That success was tuned out for a minute there, but he's back.
He is back and locked in.
This could be a long game.
It could be a very exciting late game if it gets there.
I think Liquid would rather have it not get there.
Liquid would not want to go late against his face this way last pick.
X6S managed to snatch away the Bounty Roon there. That's gonna be three, four extreme already heavily favored.
Look at that. Off to the races. Liquid did get their hands on the Razor. I think this is one of their scariest heroes.
Just, they have...
Maybe the best three cores...
That can play Razor in the world, like on average.
You don't think Falcons takes that? That's not a thing of the like, I think, you're a Razor, whatever.
Yeah, so that to me kind of just is ballerina razor plus ATF razor stronger than
Misha razor plus Miike razor plus Ace. I guess Ace is something. Yeah, let's
kind of say I think it's a 2-2 split. It's really close. Okay, I'll give him a second.
There's second. I will say that I think that maybe the higher peak is on like
win with Miike razor. Probably his second best hero behind his fury on. It's pretty
good. It's pretty damn good. Misha's been owning on this hero. So yeah, it's probably still
about but they're close by and I think that's always scary but Liquid do kind
of lack the hard lock down which is why the void pick became too enticing to
turn down. Serial's not that strong but in the right game he can just exist in
the fight be unkillable and this is that kind of game you just don't have the
lock down form unless you're willing to go void spirit aggs item just sucks
like do not want to go away so I think he has to this game maybe maybe the void
You already want it against puck right now you're in a face of this void matchup as well
Like the last time you you talked about the eggs you said it was kind of only acceptable against puck the thing is void builds a lot of this bill
He's a natural man to buy our natural be gave you buy or not that you're gonna get both
But usually get one like you're usually looking at some defensive item in the realm of either he gave me man to our
Lincoln's that's why he gets caught that is
The first kill of the game.
Oh, and we have Foxy. They did put Foxy up here on the clock as he likes his melee here.
So, Nisha is taking it to nothing to say.
Nothing to say is still doing fine in CS with a weight pushing into him.
But Nisha is trying to drain those resources.
I'll get water in here. We'll not get the water in.
Yeah, Foxy's there on the other side. Nothing to say. He has to scramble the last few charges left in the bottle.
He's getting a dry angle.
He's doing OK region-wise, despite the water loss, but yeah, he should put an ounce of pressure here.
He gets both of those creeps.
Like, barrier? Yeah, OK, he's chillin'.
He's good, he's good, so...
He's looking solid for Liquid, but...
OK, she's striking back a little bit in the lanes.
A little worried about their dual melee offlane, but...
They got the wave back, so it's pretty nice for Ex-Exus.
I think the extra bounty run also goes a long way.
Put the early lane phase back, she, which otherwise is a lot slower here on paper.
fully expect tofu to kind of be stacking you don't have a lot of aggressive
potential on warlock faceless void has a very strong defensive lane it's not
that actually you're ever gonna get kills there down there but there's no way
you pressure Aume in the slain phase. He is behind tier one right now with the
wave pushing in again so he is just he's ultra ship. One tango used on this void in
three minutes. He's gonna get farmed. Make success.
Clockwork is going to be an issue for him.
Oh, yeah, there's going to be a lot of issues for this primal piece, whether it's the clockwork or the shatterdame, it both supports counter him pretty heavily.
But there he is, Boots. Again, I feel like, actually, you're kind of getting out of the very early phase better than I thought.
Yeah. Like, this is the time where Liquid can really put the pressure on.
You know, sometimes you can put this primal piece in position where the Boots get delayed, you have to just chain Wave pull with the double melee.
They're not waypoint. They're kind of playing it straight up. They have a back big camp threat here
Which is annoying for boxy right now. We're gonna access even getting aggressive
I don't feel gonna pay for that, but no.
Turn a little charge away. It doesn't get it far enough. Oh, no!
That is gonna be a problem because eventually boxy
He closes the distance with the plasma feels slow down. They don't even need the cogs
They'll get the kill just the regular old way. Okay, X
Yeah, oh no, that was a great cast or curse, Avery.
Yeah, X-XS even getting aggressive!
Well that's why I was surprised, I think that was just a missed call.
Even if your birds will reach out for making it, what does it change about this lane?
Oh yeah, I think you have no reason.
Doing quite fine, so.
Definitely a miscalculation there.
That was a nice deny.
It's going to be a very one-sided game in terms of aggression versus defense.
All the agonist of aggression is on the other side of the screen.
This is how the Void pick functions.
All the moves should come from them, all the rotations, first 10 or 15 minutes should come
from them.
There's not really anything that actually can even make.
Their support duo is really low damage in the early game.
There's nothing to throw into a coil.
There's nothing to really throw in Chrono.
You pretty much just have to farm and kind of keep track of where Liquid are moving.
Don't give a back jills, but there's not a lot for you to aggressively do on your own.
Tofu's rotation.
Poorly timed as that was just the exact time that nothing to say, it's just going to take
a trip back to base.
He says, screw it, I'm not going to try and get the level six over the void spirit.
He missed a little experience, but make sure that he doesn't die when Void Spirit gets level 6.
Probably worth it.
What's interesting is we saw Toku, he rotated towards me and he put a ward behind, or at least near this radiant tier 1.
Just like, normally you put this ward if you're hunting the hero in the jungle or you want to chaingank mid.
Okay.
But it's a clock. You clockwork SD.
Well, if he uses the orb, right, disruption is a great setup for the Void Spirit.
This just feels awkward.
I would have preferred if Liquid were going to try and focus on side things.
Particularly this Primal. I think the Primal is the most susceptible hero in this early game.
Like, you can really abuse him.
Oh, nothing's they went for that!
He's going to have to coil to get out of it.
And for now, with the shards blocking, he's good.
Alright, it was worth it. That was a ballsy call.
And remember, this is what Liquid putting two wards around that mid lane
and trying to secure runes for Nisha.
That is a huge rune to take away.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely big here, considering there's three heroes in InfoLik, but they're still just putting this SD here.
Alright, so what's the play here? Is Razor gonna TP back, and then Boxy's gonna go for him?
Try to get him? Oh, got him.
Battery assault. Now X-XS is gonna die. That really hurts, because...
He did half the damage to all these creeps. They're gonna deny a bunch of these.
Oh, man. That's painful.
Well, the support's hanging around mid. Eventually, there's gonna be some battle that comes of it, and it's tofu.
Getting caught?
No, actually get a kill. It's more than I would have expected. You didn't get the stack here, too
Seven-minute wisdom shrine. This is uh, I don't think it's literally impossible for you to get this on me
Is it okay? Actually didn't think you would be able to pull that off and then there's still got your view
Yeah, there's no way he gets there. No rules for it. I
Can't believe you tried that. I was so here
Teleport on I guess
We'll be stacks for x6s as he clears through a little bit here.
FYI, I don't know what your plan was there, boy, but it's not gonna work out.
I still don't understand why actually early.
Trying to interact with this Razer at all in this game.
Because nothing good's gonna come from it.
From minute zero onward.
You just have to accept it.
It's a dead area, so just keep feeding.
Make an extra gold.
7 years ramping up quickly here the most surefire way that liquid wins this is
snowballing racer in Lloyd's Barrier 100% like you need to not get these heroes
extra kills I'm sure all maze all the comms right now like please guys please do
not be enemy might as
warding and de-warding support battle continues around the mid area I didn't
find any of these dire words though. It's a little annoying here for the double
sentry committed mid. They get Melting, they can get their sentry killed.
Hopefully it was just that stink, this mid lane. Super annoying for NTS. It hasn't killed him, but
definitely lowering his CS, lowering the chances he gets any of these runes.
Here comes the smoke move, Nisha. Really aggressively pushing in the mid lane,
which means this smoke might get red, xxs farming up neutrals, get spotted by tofu,
gets off the disruption, pretty far away for the rest of the team to get here, but he doesn't
have much mana to work with, in fact, doesn't have enough to be able to get the charge away.
This is the hero you want to abuse. He's just bringing food every time. And there's not really
anything actually you can do about it. I mean, again, your supports are so low damage. Like,
You're gonna TP you in a chrono someone and hit him three times?
What's that gonna do?
You're gonna coil someone and...
And then what?
I love that Nisha uses the illusion runes and just leads him in his lane.
He goes back to mid, but he leaves the illusion runes to kind of maximize the damage they can do to the tower.
I guess that is the kind of sad thing, where liquid is even with these kills like Jern.
Lineup is not great at taking objectives earlier.
Yeah.
They have really low objective taking in this lane.
Even in the mid game, it's pretty bad, to be honest.
It's kind of the downside of Carrier Reaser.
Highest storm doesn't hit Roche.
I mean, I don't know.
How do they Roche?
It's pretty slow. How do you take tier 1s? It's pretty slow.
But again, if you're playing a snowball-oriented lineup,
like, if you're supposed to be the aggressor,
but you don't have any early objective taking,
I think those games generally don't feel that great
unless you're chain-killing the enemy.
So maybe that's just what they're going to try to do here.
Yeah, they have like just one hero to do.
Even if it was the sports, like, they have like a shy drop or something, right?
something right it would make the lineup feel a whole lot better I think at this
SD he's like a pugnit it looks cleaner to me but beggars can't be choosers they
do have the ability to chain kill XG here the void and puck are hard to kill
but the supports are quite easy you can keep killing the primal this razor he's
had himself a start man going in the maelstrom is gonna be a big boy you have
than bonds, sir. Got him.
Level 8 Mars.
When are we going to see a rotation either from the Mars or to the Mars?
I get that it's hard to get the faces void, but
it's just such a tough thing to rotate in here.
You have to all in him off of us.
Be your stun.
Unless you force him to leave and disrupt him after the leap.
You can go for that kind of play, but
I mean, actually, there's a stack of clearance stats.
Hey, who's gonna do this double-tagging later?
Yeah, Mckay's gonna get caught by the coil.
He's definitely dead here.
How'd he end up?
I'd like to see a replay if you haven't.
How'd he end up that far?
He's just gonna jump back in to try and kill X-X-S here with a de-simulate landing.
A bit of damage, not quite good enough, though.
I mean, that's such a great kill for X-G.
Yeah.
It's insanely valuable.
Get the Tusk to level 5, level 3 tag team, super value point, and again the wood's just
faring bottom.
Even get your Golem online.
Like he hit it up really far in this lane, look at how high the HP is on his final.
Yeah he's got, he's in a very weird situation in the mid game.
And that was a 3X tree, so that's like a 6700 gold kill.
Yeah he's not happy with that.
did get dropped. Yeah, Ex Nova just got his level six without popping the Grimmar. He's
almost no charges, so. He should just hold it for a long time this game. Yeah, he's been
chilling out. Long range hook shot catches Ex Nova, got the Golem inside the cogs too,
so he's not going to be able to get a kill off of this. And the Golem's going to keep
chipping away at this tower. Honestly, I like this Golem, because again, you're not really
lucky for big fights or kills relating to this game, Grishy. You just kind of want to
hold your own. If you can go in for a tier one mid then that's a piece. That's better than a kill.
So I think that was super, super value. They get the first tier one in this game.
Nice dodge there from FY but he's gonna need a whole lot more than just that.
Snowbolt time is pretty good. Quote's gonna get used. Unfortunately the Razor's here so
nothing to say it says. Yeah, that was... Sorry, bitches.
Oh, some minor step backs are liquid, but they're still ahead here.
Probably would like to make some moves combining the cores around some of these towers,
but maybe you have to wait for this ULZ on Mars, that'll give you the guaranteed lock down here on the Mobile Heroes.
Who's gonna clear through these stacks, Razor, eventually?
Razor's a fine stack, Claire, it just takes a bit more time as you split the damage.
Yeah, just compared to the Sprite will be super efficient early at seven on the sd. That'll that'll get paid back soon here
Nine stacks to 12 overall
So funny it's awful Mars faceless woodfarm. They just keep staring each other and it's like
You can't do anything to me. Well, I can't do anything to you
And I think normally Ace is fine in this type of situation. He's almost the player you want.
Yeah. But on Mars? Yeah, Mars is another question. This hero still scales pretty hard though.
Nah, you don't take those stacks. He's gonna stack it. If he takes these stacks, I don't know.
I mean, if he can, you'd have to spear like four times. He's getting real close to that
another wisdom trine split as well
all good things for extreme slower the game is and I agree more we just trade
off farm for farm wisdom trine for wisdom trine like I thought this wisdom
trine would be one of the early objectives like we cooked and test because
they're not great at hitting powers but they're quite good at fighting just in
these random jungle grids with the walker leading the charge like you could
You know run this clock razor up to that wisdom shrine. What's probably
It's punk faceless void rotating into it is kind of dangerous, but they're so low game
It is ours take
I don't know if I like that
It is what is and it will be acts first item for the voids good
So liquid basically I think they're just saying we gotta slow it down a little get our items online
And then she's making some more moves.
Maybe he just held in this tower too, or I guess we'll all make a move and you're only
going to have to get to hold the gold and get another tier one.
This just feels like an XG style of game, like even if they're not ahead.
I bet if you ask them going into this series, like, it's 15 minutes in the game, are you
okay being down a thousand gold?
They're probably like, hell yeah!
Hold me a thousand against Liquid?
Sure.
That sounds great.
tofu unable to catch anybody all this vision down too does get the viewer though
I still think look we need to make moves for these tier ones
Like it just has to be a combined effort
I think they might be a little afraid taking a fight into tier one or with chrono golem coil like there's so much turn around around these towers
but at some point you're gonna have to make that move. I don't like to use it back and
forth to voids here without a single tier 1 going down.
Check on for it. Try to do the Decimally Rune Grab play.
Got him on his spear and the hookshot and the remnant. Wow. What a backstab there from
Ace. Yeah, it was getting a little quiet there, but all of a sudden Liquid get a decent breakaway.
Golem gonna be dropped for a third tier 1 tower with a siege wagon behind it.
And Aston's immediately gonna be Chrono, and I don't think FY knew that was the game plan.
That did not look like the play at all. Now, Ampliation's gonna die for it, and your Chrono-Skier is on cooldown.
Well, that is a great way to give Liquid an opening and allow them to start swarming you. Now they don't have to worry about Chrono.
That was an ill-fated Chrono, no matter what. That's the tankiest hero in the game. You don't have any damage to throw in.
Also, isn't like the threat of the chrono, you know, plays like pretty important.
I agree. Having the chrono available to punish liquid is way more valuable in this game than trying to get a kill with it, which you can't anyway, because you don't have the follow up.
I feel like that was just a miscalculation, because that liquid are going to be able to group off that, and they're going to be able to take your tower.
And now you just kind of have to bail on this tier one.
And that was a gift. That was a gift for liquid. They're going to capitalize on it.
They also got the Denyne on the tier one tower on top of everything else.
Big sequence for them. You have the jewels down on the Mars.
Dags on Void Spirit's coming pretty quickly here.
Yeah, that is a very strong timing for Liquid.
Yeah, they're going to be able to have a lot more kill time in this game.
Did actually, he got a lot of the jewels.
Here goes that Shield Rune.
Well, we wouldn't have killed them anyway. It's all good.
Sure, that's what Nisha's saying, right?
You know, I don't hate FY for trying to hit creeps, I feel like that was one of our criticisms
for him.
I'm not sure if you should ever be doing it in the areas that Razor occupies.
More gold to Mickey.
I get the other support as well.
11,000 net worth yeah, he's he's down. He's six and one 200 CS
But he got fed the early kills. Yeah, they're absolutely free like
Strangers of you big you might avoid
This game is starting to starting to heat up for liquid
Starting to get some of these tier ones down as well
Gold bags that were sitting there for a long time. Oh
Missed the last eight on the tower. Come on, Mckay
He's just so high, let's go 15.
That's insane, they have to already on line so you have the Dispel.
OOOOOOOH!
It's close call, but he barely outraces the hookshot, the cogs and the remnant.
Not to say he comes in, tries to punish a little bit, but too much protection for the
boxy kill.
Do you have all their ulti?
But they don't have the Tusk Blink, that's why he's trying to farm it up, he's getting cut.
Another Renekton, there you go. Run! Yul's not so much. Spear back!
You can clip.
Get some damage! I almost feel like you shouldn't conserbuke there just for a little bit of extra damage for Mikkei, cause he wants to take this tower.
No, he's fine. He'll get you.
You're right, you're right.
I need to prime up and give you a fight, and I told Likr that I'm using it.
Does this look at them to voidspear knives?
Pretty nice timing here.
Yeah, this is before any disbells for the Pacespointer and it will be a while before
he gets them too.
Right?
Because he's going full out Mjolnir, not Maelstrom into Manta.
Are they going to try this bomb?
This will be insane.
No.
It will be a while.
It's not...
He in theory should not be the first one to contact though.
Well.
well he's got a farm somewhere I don't think I feel liquids used too many
smokes so I assume they have a few tofu's got one already take 20 minute
tormentor keep taking objectives here extreme gaming are fine with this
they're just going to split the map.
Good charge for this.
Actually, this bell for the bombs.
And anti-dilation.
Oh yeah, so all of the voids here.
And voids for Beerus is going to be...
Super value here for Nisha.
Happy boy.
Next success is going to try and select farming on the other side of the map here.
But if he runs into shadow demon, there goes much of his luck.
Too easy.
Ooh, nice of him to stay.
Ooh, this is the spear! Hit him with the God's Rebuke, stop the blink, they have a...
Eight to render on him that'll kill him with alongside the silence actually sounds you had a lot of edge one charge
They load us and a whole lot more to work with he's gonna try to be way
Oh
Just got your buke to end his life you can like that's one of those deaths that
They're gonna look back on and feel pretty badly
Tramages the shrine
Getting a little out of control for actually they controlled the early game pretty well
But yeah, once it started to speed up with some of the extra kill thread on these items
It's just a feeding frenzy for liquid. There's no real way to stop it other than just don't get caught
riding the map out
Try and get to your BTB
Kind of close here on the primals. It'll be triple BKB for XG, but it's gonna get slowed down here considerably as liquid pick up the pace
So shots up he lands it
F.Y.
How many deaths is that now?
That'll be death number seven.
He has no one to play with in this game.
One in every three minutes.
Yeah, I mean, if X-X-S has no game,
Tosca has no game.
There's not a whole lot left.
Nothing to say he's out there just trying to make solo plays, you know?
Arena to catch the warlock.
Because why not? You're not really using the arena too much to kill the puck or the
paces void, so.
Yeah, you're not using anything in this game at this point.
XG just locked in a cage, they put themselves in with this draft.
The only thing going for them right now is that Liquid's Rosh is so bad they probably
don't want to force it.
See a little more time until that fight, but giving up a lot in the meantime here.
There's a smoke aimed at finding a home on the map and taking dogs this one
Said they put themselves in this position with this draft used just to be clear you did like the draft right I
Mean you like the face of the board like the void pitch because that's their style
But this draft should not win this game really honest
Why because what's happening is what's supposed to happen?
You have no early playmaking. You don't have the ability to really stall the game
Like this is liquids game to lose in some sense. Now, there's these oh children
That is gonna make things really awkward here. There's everything they have
They will get him the rest of liquid rounding the corner
But unsure if they could take the fight without their void spirit. I'll be jumped in has to defend
Oh, yeah, I think Bruno goes out immediately tofu. He's gonna purge xxs here
Fy's just gonna barrel in and that's probably for the best creative distraction keep the razor off the rest of your heroes
They're gonna go for boxy as they retreat backwards here. That'll be a nice kill to kill
Unfortunately ace getting the kill another thing and now has the arena to get x6s as well
Two kills turns to three the gold gets dropped the spears still gets the pin on the primal beast
He doesn't have to jump away and now it means the warlock is gonna join it him in death
That returns to 4.
So much that was decided by Aume leaping in there and just getting caught off guard with
the Razor sitting around the edge which means he has to throw a defensive chrono so you
don't have this firepower in the middle of the fight and then all of a sudden everyone's
kind of jumping different targets, husk goes in on S.D., the puck gets caught by the Mars,
the site's super split, ace does a lot of work in this exchange.
None of the best start for actually taking that void spirit out of the fight, no silences,
even through the shielder room.
But it costs you too much here.
The thing is, actually, 10 just disappeared.
They don't have to force this, but they are kind of feeling
the moment incorrectly.
And target prioritization is not great here.
If they all go to the left, onto this clockwork,
again, I think the fight is still fine.
Imagine you still have Chrono here,
and everybody's on this clock.
Yep, yep.
I think you're very strong at that point,
but trying to do too many things at once,
look what they can manage of it again,
build bleed even more they get an Aegis onto the razor and they're cooking now yeah so it's funny
they that void spear took so many spells to kill that they almost had nothing left but the one
spell they did have left which is chronosphere kind of I think fooled extreme gaming into thinking
they could keep going chrono's just not that good this game like it's not anything for your lineup
it's just some tool for Aume later on when he's mega jack but you can't really think of it as an
early in the fighting spell. Their best fighting spell early honestly is tag team poverty. Like,
being able to go in and just casually output a lot of physical into one target is something
that can help the Void be a damage threat. Yeah, good. Coil, coil tag team. Lock them down, do the
damage. Otherwise...
It's time for Void to farm up. There's his BKB done. Tux is almost done.
A little bit of a triple VKV coming here, but this is Liquid's Aegis to use aggressively, and they are getting aggressive.
X-X-X has Demonic Purge. He doesn't have to get the grab on the Razor. Disruption goes down from Tofu.
He's going to give his life to help out Mikkei here. Now, Mikkei is going to be surrounded by a lot of heroes, but he's joined by the Void Spirit.
He managed to get the Chronosphere and Coil onto the two of them. They're going to focus on the Razor, but unfortunately, the puck was stuck inside of that one.
And it goes down. There goes the Aegis, Aumei. In a way, he killed nothing to say. They destroyed him.
Now he's got to run in shame
Unfortunately, I think the penalty for that is death. He's gonna be sound stuff
Not landing the spear, but he doesn't really have anywhere to run to too much chase down. Yeah, that ages is
So strong in that fight. Nisha was running a regen rune the entire time
But it's aggression working for them here as they know how strong they are with this ages timing
That chrono completely killed him to us
He took the majority of his damage on this death wall under the effect of
Chronos here. Just a lot of it from the razor. Yeah, I had a storm and I assumed
like some Thunderhead procs in there as well while the old one was hitting him.
Yeah. That was brutal.
It's funny because he coiled at the same time, so then you have the overlap of spells.
Like a lot of BKB was used up here.
This currently is great if the Puck's not here. It's just... Yeah, a little sad.
A little sad for NTS.
Actually, he's just kind of crumbling a little bit now.
Gained the price for their greed with this lineup.
Extreme gaming, just not playing well enough to deal with liquid aggression, which is so good at giving mistakes now to people.
You had a very fine margin scheme for holding together, not falling behind and not giving
these kind of openings to Liquid and a couple bad pickoffs or one or two bad fights.
That's all it takes.
Now you're down 16K and it looks like a steep uphill battle.
Still can't try and scale into this face-to-face war with late game, but you're just going
to keep believing kills like this.
Maybe even more.
The end won.
We didn't have another round of silence up yet, Remnant is gonna grab him still though.
They actually have a lot of coverage for Phase Shift.
They've got Spear, they've got the Cog Kit, they've got Resident Pulse, they've got Aether
Remnant.
It's actually pretty difficult for a Pog.
They're crawling here.
Yeah, they're trying to fight this without three different heroes.
This is why streamgamer are willing to take it, but apparently mckay is too strong for them.
He's still gonna run down f.y.
He's got full satanic, but all that gale is unhappily.
I'll take it to the face.
I mean, at least they got a kill out of it. They did manage to trade support for support.
Got BKBI the storm out of the razor too.
I'm gonna need to be careful.
I mean, he's not respecting the mobility of Team Liquid.
If you get ten bashes in a row, then drop the Kona.
Try your jukie with the shard, but now a yule's.
That's a cool idea for boxing.
Really?
Does this work?
I mean, it works to get the kill.
Does it work to get out? Does it last long enough?
Yeah, it does.
Pog.
Lexus dies mid, and I lose a tower, but Pog, all me.
All me owning this game.
this game top three net worth across the board 14 liquid 19,000 net worth lead 28 to 8
and he said this is like this is how the game should go what do you mean by that
I mean because she's draft can't do anything
I'm asking you guys to elaborate on this
There's no low cooldown damage or threat on the map.
All they can do is farm, try and scale them to ultralight and not get picked off.
Right, so you don't have combos with the Toss?
No, you don't have range 4 positions to play off of Chronosphere or Pulverize.
Liquid are never going to be afraid of any wave and actually you're always going to be
afraid.
So as long as Liquid can find kill connections in this game, the lead will build.
They should automatically always control more of the map because you should be able to force
actually off, whereas actually cannot do the same, until ultraly, where we have some insane
overwhelming scale of teeth, I'm sure, but you should never get there against good teams.
Straf's just way too greedy. You're basically relying on liquid either playing poorly or
throwing the game at some point, which is like fine, you can win a game like that,
but you should never win a game like that.
And they performed so well in the first 10 minutes of the game.
Yeah, the thing is that early game was so good.
You know, the way they...
I think this game should have gone better for them.
I think they should have been able to rat lanes and not die soon and maybe find a couple
teamfights in there with the start they had.
It was mega good for the land.
But then it still fell apart anyway, so that's even more concerning.
It was like that early game could have gone even worse.
And then this game probably just would have been over by now, so...
There's Hex for Mars, you do have your triple DKB timing, but again, I'm...
...concerned about the damage actually you can throw out in a teamfight.
It's really hard to bring this Razor now, like, he has almost 4,000 HP...
...and destruction behind him.
So, how are you killing Micky?
At some point in time, the overwhelming strength of Liquid will get the right kind to pick
off and even if they don't have the greatest objective taking, Gold solves everything.
It really does.
You can buy whatever your spells lack.
Okay, he's like, I'm done with this game. Let's just go higher up.
Okay, kinda looks like Extreme MiK also done with this game.
Or at least done with this lane of Barracks, as they have left all their heroes out on the map to continue farming while MiK hits all the structures.
It's gonna be some...
Gonna have to be insane fatal bomb somewhere in this fight.
Like on the Chrono on Thory or something.
Either way, this frags and he's gone without a team fight.
Yeah, you know it's bad because XXS is out there farming on the map,
but he already has BKB and there's not another item that he's almost to.
Like he wants Lincoln's next item? That is still a ways away.
It's not ready for this fight.
So you were just kind of farming because you felt like the fight was not possible.
Now they're going to try and catch Liquid on the retreat back here, but Liquid has maintained a formation of 5.
They are going to take this, and a 5 versus 5.
It looks like both supports are probably going to be given up.
Ex-Ex-Ex is going to go back into it. That's a refresher that there's no way you're stopping this Razor.
You're only giving it more opportunity to drain an excuse to use the refresher, an excuse to pop Satanic.
Another link and perhaps enough damage to end the game here.
Nothing to say. Makes the zip away.
He's okay. Aume fighting out with the ace.
Back to the laning phase, eh?
Oh, no. A disruption.
The one-man chrono countered by a shadow demon.
This is just... just sad.
How is that?
I mean, that looks so...
I don't, you know, there was no chance of that when he got that.
That was a hell of a very no-doubt about it.
But there is so much of this new game that felt wasted, wasted, yeah I agree, and like with the start they had
it is the kind of line of like you're gonna pick this lineup as XG and you win, then you get out of the leads like that
then you should win this game right, because otherwise why the hell are you picking this lineup?
Because I think in 9 out of 10 scenarios that game looks way worse at the 15-minute mark
So then what, like if it's way worse than that, how do you ever win this game right?
That's kind of my question, is like you have to be able to execute that mid game with that kind of start-up,
because otherwise this type of lineup will never be a solid team, and Liquid are also just not that slow in the team.
They're probably one of the faster teams on average in this group stage in this event.
They're very good at playing Tunisia and at faster on the game, abusing the lanes, abusing their advantage.
Doing objectives quickly, just going higher on the, they know they have the advantage, like that ages, they just run it behind the tier 2 bottom.
It's a bad fight, but they know they're so far ahead and so strong. It doesn't matter. Any fight is good
There's a team to do that. I think a 17-1 in this game
You know why put yourself in this position if you're XG I guess in this matchup
I think the joke at the start about the primal beast, you know
The counterpicking himself is actually what the way you described it in the green room
But he changed to get the spaceless void pick, but really I didn't see a point for this primal beast at all
I didn't see any really playful flex core that you could sacrifice to get better lead picks.
To me the void isn't this issue as much as like these two supports behind the other two, but you gotta fake it faster somewhere.
Alright, extreme gaming, they're gonna need to speed things up if they want to take on liquid in game two.
Speed and accuracy are going to need to be important for them because I feel like they may have missed their darts throw with this primal beast pick.
As good as the Faceless Void looked as 24th pick, which was a fantastic Faceless Void pick,
there's only so much you can do to repair the errors that have already been made in the draft
Quinn. They picked this final beast into a mess of a lineup and he was just walking uphill the
entire time. Yeah, that was a weird one. I won't lie, picking Primal into Shadow Demon,
and then immediately getting clockworked is very strange. And to be honest, you don't really see
teams counterpick themselves that hard very often. Sometimes teams will forget about a hero and they'll pick something blind and they'll regret it later.
But this is kind of just like, you know, we see the hardest counter to the game there and we're picking into that through me, not you.
Like, it's very weird.
No fear, perhaps it should have been a little bit more skeptical.
And then they lose the game, Mera.
Rough.
It is rough.
I mean, good for Liquid though.
Like, I was saying that this really cursed Canadian is no more.
No more. Not in 2026, it's a new year in a new era, but for XG. I've been saying this, but I really don't think XG are a team that should play for Protect 1 anymore.
Like, while the Faceless White Last Pick looked really good, it needed a late game, right? Because it's gonna do well. He was owning his lane, he had his items, but there were really no plays for him to make,
because there was no damage with Chrono, and one of his slide lanes went atrociously,
and the other one was a puck, which kind of went even, but then Nisha got a really early
Ag's on Void Spirit.
So, I think extreme gaming, when they put themselves in a position where it's like,
okay, Ami's the only one with a game, and the rest of us are going to run around, that
worked two years ago.
It doesn't work anymore, and the way that they've been winning games that Dream League
has not been that way.
They've been drafting for everyone, or every core on their team, to have a little bit of
a game at the very least.
Like, even this Dream League, Amé has gotten last pick, but not that often.
So, this is just not that style of XG that I want to see anymore.
And even if you are anticipating that you can get away with a 4 Protector 1, Liquid is not the kind of team that you can do it against,
because Liquid is not going to make errors that often that you can be like,
oh, now Amé can really take advantage of the game since it's late.
It's all or nothing, pretty much.
Yeah, they were so oppressive, and honestly, Ace on the Mars, you said it isn't one of his comfort heroes,
It's starting to look like it's becoming one, right?
It's becoming more and more comfortable in his hands.
It felt like he was everywhere that he needed to be, and their hunting capabilities on liquid,
they never felt like they were lacking any kind of disable, they never felt like they
were lacking any kind of move to make at any point of the game, and that is partially due
to Extreme Gaming's draft, right?
Like, they're primal beasts not having a game, but Puck not being that protective within
the draft, like, if you only say being the skill of all, for example.
I mean, I mean look at them. They were basically just doing this the entire game. Every time I looked it was ace for me
so I just
Hand it back.
Getting the people in.
A dynamic duo.
I think that the moment they picked Primal Beast, that was obviously bad, but then if
you look at their potential to create any space for a hero like Void who needs items and time,
what do you got?
Well, Warlock's gonna walk up and have a chat with them and say, can you guys wait here
While we bring everyone else over here gonna do shit and then you've got tusk. He's not gonna solo kill anyone on their team
No, Park needs farm. He's kind of smushy. Yeah, and I guess you got you got clock
You go razor these people don't die. You got Mars
And you go faceless boy, they're gonna come and kick you in the tits every time you try to do anything
I didn't make any sense to me. It didn't make any sense this void pick the faceless void pick
I think was a disaster
I think the moment the primal was they counterpicked themselves
You said fuck it. He could go pause for we'll pick three good heroes
We'll just pretend that pick didn't happen. You could just run in and do whatever we don't care
Let's take a malligan. You got to say this somehow. I
Kind of sorry. No, I was gonna say I think to be honest a lot of drafts are determined in the first four heroes
And the last year doesn't even really matter that much
Like he's kind of bisective from the rest of the draft by these four bands the two on each side
And so all the good heroes get banned out that you would want for last week
And so it's kind of like we're gonna draft all our dudes here
And then like oh yeah you two play whatever and so like I feel like the draft is kind of it's all here
Mm-hmm, and then this is just gravy and so if by the time you got to the gravy stage
Like there's no saving your meals already made now you're just pouring the gravy on so like you're pouring gravy on like a big pile of poop
We still can't poop. It just has gravy. That's true
I do think there is value though in trying to understand what a concept was so like we
We say oh if they counterpicked themselves, but there definitely had to be an idea there, right?
Like maybe they thought that if if they could stack a lane early pick the prime will be is see the enemy safe lane early on
Like force this clockwork plus one which turned out to be the razor bad hero to give away in this meta apparently
But they thought that they could show the safe lane early and because they had overall last pick they could give on a
Crazy end all be all like there is something to be said about
Like baiting picks out and thinking it could go in your favor
but that's really dependent on things going extremely well for all of your other lanes.
So while I do think that kind of idea is cool, like baiting into a really good last pick,
like Quinn said, oftentimes the draft is already won by that point, and there are very few last
picks that could really make it worth it to sac a lane not hard. Perhaps maybe they can
lean a little bit more on global strategies, such as what we are thinking about. Could we get a
a look at what we've created so far on our canvas thus far because as you know
our assignment is we need to illustrate a hero getting ganked by five different
heroes that's our dream league assignment Ted what have you created? I did a
natures profit so this is my contribution as natures profit these are not
his legs this is the bottom of half his body I ran out of paint shaggy bark but
he's TP and he's looking furious and he's holding his hand out like what the
fuck are you gonna do now and then we're gonna have some heroes over here getting
So we've got Ted's contribution here. Yeah, it's up to Quinn and Effie and you to paint your shit. You feeling inspired?
I uh, I'm feeling worried because Ted set the bar very high. He's talking himself down again. Yeah, whatever
I've seen the P-Flax videos. I know I know Ted's artistic capabilities. He's downplaying himself
I think this is lovely and I think mine will not be lovely
And so uh, do you have a hero in mind?
I was thinking I'll do in Storm because it's like
I can't control like a big ball of bull and mid-ball light man.
Yeah, maybe just throw bulls. Sorry, someone's already throwing an I.O.
No, it's a cube. It's a different heck of a...
Yeah, it's a good time to do this.
Yeah, I'll play. There we go.
Our concept is we want to do like a global strat.
So we're going to have like the Furion, an I.O., maybe a Spectre. Are you going to do...
I was going to do Spirit Breaker Charge Icon over Crystal Maiden.
That's his contribution to Charge Icon.
We wanted a global, we wanted a global gank to be painted, but now that the Fiora took up half the canvas, I feel like he's kind of the main character.
He's the foreground.
He's the main character, so how do we...
Bro, that's assuming that any of us, at least me, I know how to deal with foreground and background. It's all one ground to me. It's just the ground.
One perspective, that's all we need.
I just thought there was a lack of confidence from the other members of the team.
I thought I would paint something nice and upfront for you guys to work around that.
So we need to do the CM, we can have an IO, we can have a Storm Spirit in mid-ball, so there's two balls.
Or do you want to do the cube, so a square and a ball.
We still need, so I want to do the CM, so we need two other heroes, so as far as I'm concerned.
We'll draft those heroes.
What is Sector?
They need to draft some heroes.
Do a Sector, yeah.
They need to get ready for a game number two, as do we.
Stick around everyone, and we'll be back with more Liquid versus Extreme after this.
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60 minutes!
Welcome back, friends. It's time for a game number two of Extreme vs. Liquid, where Extreme
or Jettling are looking a little bit off-balance from that game one, but it's okay. You're
in best of three territory now. You lose one game, it's fine. Just win the next two, and
it's like it never happened.
We don't look at game scores anymore, we look at series scores.
Busy painting, don't panic Ross.
I'm panicking.
You're panicking like the crystal mid and that you're going to be illustrating some of it.
Indeed.
Because there's going to be a terrified crystal mid in the corner of our canvas.
Probably not going to be emerging in our draft though because that hero is Cheeks.
But we'll see what the plan is for recovery because extreme gaming hopefully will not
step on a rake in this draft because still can't really justify the primal beast into
shoutyman idea. There's plenty of time to recover though. Also, Quinn, we're getting
more and more data on Void Spirit as a hero. Did you glean anything from that game one,
or was it just Nisha and Nishaing?
I think his build was good. I think people complete Vessel a bit too much, and in games
where it's not actually a good Vessel game, completing it is a bit sad because it delays
your other items.
So if you can justify the health, restoration reduction, go for it, otherwise it's just good as it were.
Yeah, like if that's a big beefy boy, then it makes sense, right? There's more damage, etc.
I think it doesn't even have to be because of the restoration reduction, just if they're like really high HP units, like some tanky guys.
But they have puck, and face is void. It doesn't really do anything, it's either of them.
So it makes more sense to transition into other items faster.
People have to shard right at 15 with max Q. It's the most important part, I think, because it accelerates your game.
So you can actually get to the items you want after that.
And I also like the fact that he went for BKB instead of Mata, so I'm saying you dial again, press BKB, I think it was a lot better.
You don't see that often on Void, but I think it was a good adaptation. I like this build. I think it was perfect, probably.
Nice.
So, though, it's a really good one.
It's the best CME I've ever seen.
That's faith, Ted.
Tree of Protectors Florida, Batrider and Shadowfiend get banned out in extreme gaming.
First phase ban of the Largo, along with Huskar and unsurprisingly Shadow Demon.
Huskar one is so weird.
Yeah, Liquid is not a Huskar team.
No, and also nothing to say plays Huskar.
Yeah.
Like he's not like a wizard, but he can play it.
Maybe they want to first pick Ember, Spirit or something.
Maybe that's their take right now.
They have to be first picking some mid-hero or picking it out of the next phase
They incredibly peculiar like we know there's also pretty good against us. I don't know
Then what's gonna date this see I'm gonna tell you that much I
Think they're gonna just pick ever out of phase or something if they're gonna do some early pick here
That's to me the only justification for that. Yeah seems very peculiar
Although yeah, I remember would also make sense because if you're banning out Largo and you're banning out dispels this earth
That's another reason why and shout it even it also combos with the Ranger like I remember last really they were running and
pretty often
He looks more like Gandalf
Trust the process
It looks vaguely like
There's some meme of a guy like you know it's like the white looking cartoon guy like looking at the side like oh, yes
Whenever the other guy says something weird. Yeah, it looks like that guy
And I kind of like it. It's like work of art. It's almost like it's like Pepe adjacent as well
You guys will be able to see it once Ted completes it, but just take our work for it
It's a work of art. I conjure women. I'm sorry. Is that like a moral stance?
I just panicked. I'm like, oh, she doesn't look like a woman.
So that's a freak out. I could draw monsters and shit, but I could never draw people.
It's hard. Well, feet. Feet are hard. Anyone that draws will tell you. Feet, hands, and women.
Oh, that's your phone, Niko.
That's possible. The whole eternity.
Feet, hands, women.
Sounds like a guaranteed off-hand.
No, look, it's actually...
Good job, man. Thank you.
Ace moves all the way up from 23rd pick to 2nd pick as Team Liquid respond to that winranger with Ace Centaur
Very very reasonable very rational
Return is very good against winranger not to mention Quimston and
Quimston, Quimston, Guad, I think Guad
Little drippage
Oh Crimson guard
I thought you were nicknaming Ace or something.
You think we just call him?
I don't know.
Hey, is there a player plus item combination that is more popular than Ace plus Crimson
or Ace.
Collab and Blink.
Also, I've been sent to her outside of the return being the concern ranger, like you
can't really bully him that much online as a ranger, I think.
Kyle and Yulz.
That's a good one.
Kyle and Yulz.
Nightfall and BKB.
That's true.
That's so true.
Kyle and Yulz.
But those are the two.
That's probably the most iconic one.
NBN stick.
NBN.
Drop your stick.
We do not have room.
The third thing is NBN not stick.
You need to drop your stick.
NBN.
Sorry.
Oh, man.
Shout of fiend and Phoenix get banned by Liquid and Extreme Gaming take out of the Warlock Razor and Liquid get their support of a Jekiro, which the stats showed the most picked hero of the tournament thus far.
I'm pretty sure, I mean this is the thing, when everybody's picking a hero you're obviously going to have some L's in there but, I think this here is great, I think really strong in lane, he's using some push as well, just good.
How many really long range disables are there in the game, there's not that many.
Shakira actually has a pretty trash win rate right now.
Yeah.
He is 34 percent.
Don't show it on camera, it's so bad please.
I like her.
So beautiful.
I like her.
So beautiful.
She looks like that meme.
She is!
Look at her.
I'll pull up the meme.
Beauty comes in all colors and she's size is 10.
I can't remember what it's called.
I don't know if there's a name for it.
Please show the prophet.
The prophet is...
I'm reasonably happy with the prophet.
The prophet is fine.
See?
The prophet is nice.
I can draw monsters.
I can't draw ladies.
We should have married a monster.
A monster?
You should have.
I'm a shaggy boy.
Yeah, that's true.
Oh, we need some money.
I haven't drawn the money
Extreme Gaming did something cool though
Is that, hey, you know
What you found? Is this the one?
Yes, cause that one, that one, it looks just like that
Alright, can we see the crystal maiden again?
Let's see these two side by side
Oh my god
It looks just like it
It's the kid's name
He's considered a big gang
Exactly right
There's money, there's money coming off profit
Because he loves money
Chen and Kaz picked up for extreme gaming so Ami gets his hero quite early on in the draft
Yeah, I think extreme gaming did something really cool because this one ranger is typically played by Ami as a carry
They kind of baited out
I think their idea versus Liquid is to bait out picks and then do something against those picks
But they baited this tanky melee offlaner out of ace to come out early
And they're like never mind this is gonna be our FY hero most likely it could still go bad
But that's gonna be there for I believe and they picked Kaz to really beat up the Sun Torp
Or you can heavily punish these melee
Offlaners especially if you've had if you have a support like time who's gonna buff you up, too
I feel like the Sun Torp would not have an easy time in this game
If you're ever worried about how it's gonna turn out when you're painting remember the words of the great Bob Ross
Happy little accent. You're having fun and you're doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Is this relaxing? Yes, so keep doing it
Don't worry about how it sounds. That's just a bit of fun
They're a puto.
Don't worry.
I think it's because when you look at a canvas, you see possibility for failure, but what
you should see is possibility to experiment and do whatever you want and enjoy yourself
while doing it.
Don't think of everything in terms of, oh my God, how am I going to fill that up?
What am I going to do?
What if it looks bad?
It doesn't matter.
Look, I just spilled blue all over his stuff.
That's part of his story now.
I do a little accident.
He was painting before he came out ganking, he got a bit of blue paint on his stuff and
now he's coming.
It's a bit of Christian maintenance fabric. He's like I almost got you bitch and she's like
It's the frostbite clone that exploded on him. Exactly. You can't stop me, right?
Well the turntables have in this draft. They're breaking
Gaming's feel the void spirit away and liquid says fine. I'll play the other side of the matchup
Nisha gets his puck. Usually puck was picked and then they picked a void spirit. Okay, so then they're
responding to the counter that they got countered by?
I think you take this puck on 17 for Liquid because you see the Huskar ban, you're like
alright some melee spirit heroes coming out in 18, let me pick the thing that counters
it with anti-mobility, so they take it out early and then that's then I think the pivot
from Ember to Void Spirit happens here when you see the puck.
I was gonna say they've got a ban mouse here.
I'm still so missed by Extreme's first phase bans then though.
Why Largo Huskar?
Well, Margot's really good and we could play it very well.
Ace is a good logger, right?
And I think the Huskar ban was indicative of a spirit hero coming out on 18.
That's why the putt came out on 17.
I believe that that's where we don't end, and now it's just a void, right?
The question is, will MTS be able to pull off the void spirit the same way that Nysha did?
Because we have seen this be very hitter, even against the pokes.
Regarding the Huskar ban, Neil, I suppose I would put it to you like this.
Would you like to play against Huskar?
Never.
There you go.
Band it out.
Band the hero.
Wise words.
Can't really book a hole in that.
Some anti melee cores get banned out by Extreme of the Last Phase, Monkey King and Ursa get
taken out and Liquid ban out the Underlord and Mars for X-XS.
Yeah, they uh, I think in a lot of ways they're prioritizing counterpicking X-XS, like last
They had a really strong lane against them in the skim, they picked the puck blind and said we really want to dump on XXS
And I think it's honestly a pretty smart approach in some ways
They believe that you show up a good matchup against NTS mid
I think just in terms of like skill wise I think you should just thinking you should just gonna match up all there
I would tend to agree
And
Their off lane is just gonna pull waves and meme around that Ame is also not a very fast player
So even if he wins his lane, he's not gonna go gank. He's not gonna go open up the game
He's just gonna keep farming creeps. So I think if you're liquid making the call that we're gonna shut down mid
We're gonna shut down their offline and let on may farm whatever he wants. I think it's a smart call
And I think they're drafting
You know lends itself to that and they pick live stealer here
They can they'll probably lose if they do but they can they could you've got the you've got he can infest bear
Breaker and get all over the place nice against tide. He can just bite him. I
Mean obviously also would have been the dream
What will they opt for?
They might pick some like Mickey T or something.
What about Sven?
We've seen teams pick him when they're just like,
ah, just pick a carry.
Sven is okay.
Generally when there's Tide, you want to pick something that makes Tide's life hell.
Because if Tide is fine, Tide is broken.
Yeah, he's really strong.
Like Tide is either you beat him into the ground with hammers,
or he is like very, very powerful.
I'm curious what their hammer of choice is
It's like you said a lot of the hammers
If you can't hear Avery doing his bristle back voices in the background, he loves doing that. These are some beefy lads
They did pick the meat Arby's they have the meat
Yeah, and I think the bristle back looks pretty solid here
They wanted something that could outpace XG like in the sense that they want to run into them early
They're also playing against a 10, so you need something like Bristleback that can play into a 10 draft.
And it'll get more out of the lane, I believe, than a Tidehunter should.
But I still feel like Tide is quite fine in this draft. He's not that friend.
Is there anything that you would have hammered harder than a Bristleback on this Tidehunter?
Because your expression was a little...
I think it's okay. Nothing comes to my mind. It's like super, super crazy.
I think Bristleback is good. I also think it's pretty good against Kez,
because he can't kill you in all of his burst stuff.
like he's running at you and you kind of just turn around and chill and then whenever he's done
running at you and doing all this psycho birdcraft then you like feed him to death. So I think it's
pretty good. I think at the same time I think XG have better chance of them doing this game than
the last game. I don't think they shot themselves in the foot. They kind of just have some heroes,
it's fine. I think we'll all saw some heroes and their heroes are good. I would say just on vibes,
I lean a little more. I can't exactly put my finger on why that is, but I do think that it's way
closer I think. Then last game so Kudos to XG for fixing some of the problems and not
cop out. To me this one depends on how the Void Spirit versus Pudg match up with
because it's I've seen it swing in either direction and if the Void Spirit
falls flat and doesn't get that early axe timing I can see XG's drop kind of
fall apart at times where it needs to but if NTS was a good game I heavily
leaned towards XG for the game too. We were emphasizing the Void Spirit build
Do you think it differs in this game too with the NTS's lineup?
Yeah, I don't think you'll need the VKB as much.
I think you can go for a little more greed.
But I think you'll probably go for the AGS.
And you probably should.
I think the not completing the vessel is the big one.
You need to get the AGS fast enough to combine with the shards.
So it's a mix and match.
We'll see how the playing field is like, Marisa.
Let's see how the entire game plays out.
Let's get ready for game number two, with Cap.
Nice, good job.
We're extreme gaming had a faceless boy that now liquid up for a personal break
We'll quit trip to the bulk
Avery happy with it. You like it. You love it
You excited for liquid to win and your prediction to be wrong
I don't know about that one. She can jump in the gun a little bit there. Okay
That show looks like a pretty good spearbreaker game
That was the hero I was eyeing, because whenever Spearbreaker comes out, I think it's Hero's straight garbage.
But if you can somehow get him in those games where the enemy don't have a lot of casual stuns,
he does kind of, oh, this is kind of one of those games.
What really stops the breaker in the fight?
Your two supports are pretty useless. Shackle's not a real stun against his hero.
Ravage.
Yeah, have Spearbreaker's coming. Ravage!
Oh, it's time for first blood. Come on down to Birmingham boys. Never mind. You remember
what I did with the British accent. They thought it was so gross. Oh! Come on down to Birmingham.
Get me some room.
FY is back. Back boys. Just when you counted. I knew who was going to hit that dude. That
was vintage FY was for one shining moment FY was an S tier support again
when your agent is one of those heroes you have to pee in your heart you know
they're probably all depressed here guys we couldn't even get the first blood I
took gosh it's an absolute disaster what are we gonna do never mind FY you're a
god man I always believed in you you're the best literally has no expression on
his face this guy has to be the most expressions don't wear a fall down yeah
Yeah, you know what he said, straight face.
JinQ went with that.
I don't know if he said that.
JinQ probably would have just killed them all in the room.
That's why he fucked up this.
Probably, but that was stylish.
Yeah, it was way better way better way to get him to kill.
I feel like this is the same setup as game number one.
It's just slightly less greedy from XG
and slightly less convincing for Liquid,
but I still give them the same edge.
In terms of lane, winning speed,
You have the niche up hot
It's a very similar setup. I don't think this bristle is gonna be as terrifying as the razor on paper
It could get is terrifying it because a similar game for sure
They don't have great bristle answers. That's the big concern here. It's like I don't think he's gonna dominate the lane early game
as hard as the razor, but
What kills bristle back?
Do not see it man. Your support duals make a low damage
Looks like it has low damage to 4-3's you can get them, no disabled. None of your floors were locked up.
Honestly, yeah, it might be lower damage.
When your floor doesn't do any damage unless you're willing to go maelstrom building to your watch.
Almost nobody does and requires an insanely good game.
I don't know, I'm concerned for... concerned for actually being able to kill heroes in team.
I also like Bristol Beck as an answer to Kez.
I think he's like kind of thinking about it.
I like Ursa against Kez, right?
A hero that can just go like take it to the Kez, ignore his shit.
I think Bristol Beck is kind of like a lighter version of that.
Alright, he does his Raptor Dance.
Bristol Beck can turn away, but he also activates the scene red
and does like an intense amount of physical damage in a short period of time.
It should be a fine action form.
I think the Kes silence and...
Something like the pure damage going into him can be nice, but...
Huh?
I don't know, I can't really Kes gifts everything.
Kes is just stupid hero.
Well...
I think you can take your counter-match up and shove it.
Because I'm a bird.
Birds don't have any counters in mind.
And just other birds.
What is the natural pedigree of a bird?
Just other birds. That's it. That's it. So if you're the biggest bird, you have no preference. You're just chilling
What is the natural predator of the largest North American bird, which by the way, do you know what it is?
It is the condor. What is the largest, what is the greatest predator of the North American condor?
It's probably like an F-150 or something, you know, you get hit by a truck. That's like it
There's nothing else. Maybe a shark. It goes really low
You think a shark has ever killed a condor in the history of the world?
You know how many millions and millions of years sharks have existed?
They're one of the oldest species on planet Earth.
Yeah, maybe the oldest.
I am aware.
It's absolutely.
And yet, I don't think one has ever killed a condor.
That is an insane statement you're just saying.
You've made the insane statement.
What are you talking about?
All says insane as this kill attempt, which was fatal for Half-Life.
He was.
Drop stuff up there for him.
This Offlane is not going too well for actually there, really struggling against this Bristow,
who was just dominating this CS chart.
37 and 5 for MiKade.
Against 14 for this tie, though, the Settlars not doing much better with only 11.
Double melee Offlane had to pull waves against Kez.
That's the Kez factor.
Yeah, he even got double rings to try and stop this physical damage, but too much to handle.
It is interesting to see the Void Spirit versus Puck on the other side of things.
Nisha says he can still handle it. Oh my god!
God, that was not a condor for the record.
You got a lot of network though on Courier too. It was boots or a raindrop.
That feels really bad too when you buy raindrops and it dies on Courier because you just lose all, you know, that short lane value.
Which is where you really want the item.
Did you see the image that popped up on him?
What? No, you missed it.
Production showed a shark eating a...
Pogs are trying to actually analyze and pay attention to the game.
Like, he would appreciate production trying to back you up.
A shark is eating a pelican. That's a no brain.
Ooh, I exhaled the...
Yeah, beat down there.
Trying a little bit too hard to disrupt all the lane-pulling shenanigans pretty far out there.
But yeah, Void Spirit versus Puck again, Bisha.
I think doing worse than nothing to say was in this matchup.
I think he, you know, yeah, there's, they're close to net worth,
but I do think Nisha actually suffered a little bit more.
I think he has played this pretty well.
He's already a little six, flies out of style, he has earned.
It's kind of ready to coach him.
Might try and surprise kill Nisha here.
Did he stays around?
It could get double stepped.
Oh, Nisha did not take the bait.
I'm going for the power rune.
Didn't spawn anyway.
Haste for the Jekiro.
What a nice rune for NTS to grab with that level advantage, but he's not rewarded.
At least, XG are, you know, kinda making some moves around here doing some stuff here.
More than last game.
Ooh, that power shot almost, I'm not saying that there.
Good for desert.
Seven minute wisdom trance coming up.
There's decent chance liquid trine will fade.
It's tied to level 5. The Bursal is mega strong.
There's the raindrop delivery. Plus valve. Plus treads.
Look at that.
Shnet worth upgrade from Ikea there.
Fancy spear breaker cause man.
Probably. Actually you can really defend the trine.
It's just gone. They'll have to trade it out. Take the other one.
They do have a level 6 cast to use.
Yeah, Centaur, like they're gonna TP in for this.
It's gonna be a fight. Ace.
There's a tactic, actually. Hold this.
Yeah, it doesn't look good.
It doesn't look good. I feel like maybe you should just give this up.
More TP's are coming in, though.
The pocket's gonna be here, and that's gonna force Ame off of it.
He did not do enough damage to Ace. Ame's now gonna go back to it, saying,
Well, I've been caught by Nisha anyway, so he hopes they can at least get the kill on Ace.
Surrounded a bit, gets off the raptor.
the raptor dance. Oh no, we actually got stunned. Now gets off the raptor dance.
Does Pancha hit Ace. He can get a little bit more damage on him. He might take out
for the Casarite Katana. Maybe he's done enough he has. Yeah, but look at what is happening.
On the other side of the map, they can get the kill. It's the one now, but will he die?
He's the death of the Neutral. I mean, perfect sequence for him. Yeah. That's a free trip
the base, they get both shrines, they get an extra kill on top of it, they get the bird.
That is a lot of gold in the liquids pocket.
Well, this is not so great for extreme gaming because you talked about how draft wise you
felt like Darren has a slightly better position, but now the laning phase has gone worse.
Like the draft is maybe a little bit better, but the execution has gotten a little bit
worse.
I think they're a significantly worse spot after losing wisdom trunks because their two supports are very low damage and now they are both effectively level 3 slash 4.
What are they going to do in this game? I don't know. I don't know. You just go jungle I guess. Just jungle with Shen. Hope your team can hold the entire map together without two heroes.
Here comes our spear breaker.
FY is not going to die here.
I'm sure it did not.
Okay, maybe I spoke too soon.
Wow.
I nearly came back for that.
Actually, you're in big trouble.
They're in the same spot.
You have no kilter on these heroes.
Your offlane is getting up to use.
It's just back to hope Aume carries us.
Maybe he has a higher chance this time around
because it causes a stronger hero than Facesloid.
You may be joined some early fights, but it will be bad if you're a build up for the
Kez.
Not that early, Kezzo.
Good rune take, denies, pucks some of the resources, but again, the fight's coming
to the top.
I mean, how can you help this tide?
You have Ravage, but you have a Shenwing Ranger, and nobody's keeping it until he dies.
Do we need anything?
Except for the Voidseeker.
He's gonna hold on to the Ravage for now, with the Void Spirit coming in, Void Spirit's
He's gonna have to do a lot and he gets the kill on Tofu, clears off the pressure on X6S,
mass rotations from Extreme.
That many rotations, if it was just the Void Spirit for the Jiguro kill, that feels good, but so many heroes rotating.
I don't like the automated TP there. If he's gonna TP, I think it had to be a lot faster, or you ravage them and you try and commit for a Bristle kill or something.
It's very expensive for the TP. They do get a D-Ward, so it's an extra experience for FY, and then you get the Rune.
Got him.
Yeah, T.S. is still in work in this game trying to hold it together, that's for sure.
Yeah.
Meanwhile on the other side, Ace, who is struggling, he was the one having the worst lane.
He's got a helmet on creep, so guaranteed kind of recovery for him.
He can stack with it if he really wants to.
Just cut waves.
Yeah, farm with return.
Use his neutral to pull waves or stack, whichever.
and our shot hits the puck!
Oh they got him with the run!
Remnant is not going to stretch out far enough.
That might have been a kill though.
They connected the Remnant on the mini shackle stone, but these windows are really small
to find the puck.
It's very tough.
I do kind of like the next year going for it because there's not really any other play
in this game.
It's just such a tough kill to connect on.
I mean, again, the Chen has to just jungle here.
The Kez just has to farm.
Your Tide has to farm.
So it's just Void Spirit Windranger.
And for Liquid, it is support ult online, so they're ready to rumble here.
A lot more damage available across the map.
Good kill combo, Spirit Breaker plus Puck.
We saw earlier the coil gets broken by the bash.
Now he's got his ult as well.
sets up for macro pyre pretty nicely. Game could slow down here though in terms of you
don't really want to run into XG's line up if they're just bald around ravage.
And how strong Nicky feels to me.
No clue guarantees the offlane tower fall. And look at this early phylactery for the
personal down. There you should be good.
Yeah, we've seen, um, since the phylactery change, some heroes have toyed with this phylactery as a...
...regen item, right?
It's a good mana regen early, which is hero once.
The stats are nice, and you get the Condor Break later, and it's a good buy, so...
It's an interesting idea, I like it.
That's an anti-damage puck.
Oh, not even needed. Foxy cancels it.
And the Pressure on the Offlane Tower.
Now turns to pressure on the mid tower.
Losing map control very quickly there.
It's looking a lot like game one.
It is.
The mid tower is just dead. Nothing they can do about it.
Battlefury timing!
Pretty fast, frankly.
It's just, uh...
They've taken all these towers and Mickey's gotten some kills, so he's even more farmed.
And if your, like, your complaints about the battlefield on Kez is timing-based,
well, this just slows down the lineup even more.
This game might be a...
The way it's gone, no, I actually don't blame him for going battlefield.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's the wrong item, but what is he connected to in this game?
There's not gonna be a lot of early fighting.
I still feel it's the worst way to use the hero, but in a game like this,
you don't really have another option.
He also had the best early game, he's very far, it's a very quick battle for your time.
There's a charge on this, Kez.
Boxing Commit, he's just going in.
Bumps through the void spirit, backs away, Shackle Shuntz does not latch, not face.
Matters anyway with the status resistance.
Come on back, see when he comes in.
This is okay for Xtreme, they can just hold the tower.
The tide's getting recovery farm, he gets a wisdom shrine.
It's a little XP going into the support duo.
Technically they have Focus Fire plus Hand of God now.
I know that increases too much of their field of capability, but it's something.
Are you a Spirit Breaker player?
Oh yeah, I'm a Spirit Breaker.
What do you think about skill build for Spirit Breaker?
Because I remember at the last, he was having his long rant about
how to play this hero and the skill build for it.
And he says not to go 1-1-4.
Yeah, his argument is you want more points and bulldoze faster because of the uptime and the
boost sheet.
Yeah, charge maxing is always nice.
in terms of if you can get too often a fight it's a huge deal also this
thunderation going up in general nice your longest duration is done
but bash is technically the most damage for free okay not like that
like bash makes your other skills better
I I prefer higher points in bash in terms of how it feels going into fights in games or damage
off your charge and stuff but I think technically there should it should be like a charge max
more than people do yeah oh this setup could be real rough omay put the ice path now the
old threatened but it gets canceled as raptor dance goes out omay should be okay in fact he
almost kills tofu tofu having to eat some regen here stay alive through the kazurai katana
Again though, it's actually surviving. It's all they can really do in these games.
I don't know, either they like playing from this position or...
...Jawai likes putting him in this position.
Yeah, it was gonna have to be draft-wide.
What did they get in return?
I feel like I understand the concept of having kill power between your supports and cores.
So like what are we getting in return for this? What is this draft? What was the goal here?
Was it good?
Tom's on the case
Call it goes out not grabbing the kids grabs the chin box. He's in pretty deep here might be in trouble
Shackle shot to ensure he does die even as the old goes out the cause right katana takes him down
In theory, you're supposed to get better scale
That's the trade-off actually you're trying to go for. They're trying to get a more comfortable late game matchup of better scales
So they're very confident the game goes ultra late and better team fight
Down the stretch as well. Let me actually strengths kind of are narrow this down to the supports why these
Chin I think
They just wanted a team fight support that could interact a little more on the map than the world I did in the game
Okay, Chen's also just Chen like can't really go wrong with this hero. Yeah, no
The Winner and I think they were trying to flex around
They're trying to get draft flex value and then it just ends up being a support and it's similar to the primal beast
Yeah, they feel like can lane with the tide and it is a fine lane
But I I don't think the flex value you are getting
ends up being near worth it for the downside from having this support doing this game
Like you wouldn't better off just picking nice support
the combos with your chin better around the map and give you some more calm like combo kill to avoid fear
And whatever flex you threaten liquid, right? Don't think care about anything
But it again as the game goes later and later these problems are less severe
So assuming you keep the network close to even you just keep surviving these problems aren't that bad
That's what you're thinking here
How likely are you to do that against liquid not super likely?
That's why I still get liquid advantage on this game.
The charge's coming after him. There's silence him to make sure the charge comes through with no shackleshot to stomp it.
This is what I think this game's gonna look like. It's just gonna be liquid-finding hiccups and he's...
...wondering, like, what are we supposed to do in response? We can't really do anything?
They do have an early shard on the tide for Dead in the Water, which I was gonna mention is one of their few lockdown spells in this game.
Yeah, so I do like that X6S1 for that
And he can scale pretty hard on this tide
I think his position this game is a lot better than the primal in game one where that game was gonna be tough for him no matter what
This game he can become a beast in the fight with some hags later on like a high-chef goes
Yeah, a free breaker game you can just do this over and over
trade off to game one to game two those nothing to say is having a much worse situation as you said he was
Trying to hold the game together early on and we've seen void spirit be put in this situation before where he's
He isn't given enough support to go around and fight kills in the game and he just plummets in the network
To be that slow-wagged build up that does not feel good as opposed to how fast
He she got his own last time as he was getting extra kills on top of it
How's it like at yes, just gets far less farm pirate
Usually third final priority on this team work, he should, is often one horse in the game.
For once they're coming up soon, would be an objective you'd like to take with this actually, you know, and you have this Chent-i-Fall.
I don't know if you're contestant is first of all, but he is.
Big bad and in charge, look at the damage going in his mind.
You might just die up here.
Just keeps on cleansing off everything and it doesn't matter the damages keep ramping up. There is on a here
They're gonna pop the ravage and go for it Mickey drops low. Is he going to die?
He's gonna stick around for the kill. He's gonna go after all of them. Oh, the damage is immense. He gets a triple off of it
He still needs to get a chase after on a I mean that's just too much
He gets caught by nothing to stay as a result and will die Mickey feeling himself a little too hard there
there. Coyle in the back line does finish off on Abel. So the rest of the team can
clean that up. Stop on to nothing say. Moidspear into trouble trying to play around. He's
rendered his timing up. Ashe will step two seconds, one second. OPF students in the south
has gone down. Get people on the ice path. He's got it now, but he doesn't have the mana
now. Now he needs the one charges and that was on cooldown. Man. He wants one more here.
Just not stop all the way back behind the tier threes. That's a dieback for FY a six-man white
for a bristle back
And when I said their lineup does not kill bristle, I meant it it does not kill it
It's incredibly pathetic how much it takes for them to try and bring this guy down
And honestly, it looked better than I thought it's good. It almost looked like they were just going to get him for free there
Isn't also damage over time bad against Bristleback in specifically the sense of the Bristleback
like he could turn his back while he's taken the damage over time from the source of it
to limit it, right?
So in this situation he's not facing Omni, he's Katherian Katana, which is 900 damage.
They also just don't have enough lockdown, like a shackle lancer that just kill him and
they can back off.
again what is your what is your reliable lockdown that's it I guess pull the
voids gets there you know you can also argue that that's a that's a play where
you need all five to hit that the exact right time to make it work yeah that's
an expensive bubble there fraction the strength network and overwhelming
power this person back just runs him over he has almost 3,000 HP 20 minutes
game. It's looking at a heart. Why not? Yeah, I'm gonna agree. This heart is going to completely
shut down any potential. He's looking a lot like you. No threat coming out from XB. You're
just trying to farm the lake. You do get the Void Spirit adds, but what is it going to
really do for you here for asthma done for the puck part coming out for
bristles to Lotus already online for the centaur so these could just kind of
stamp you didn't curbson Lotus whoever next he goes on that probably enough to
shut down the kill attempt you're gonna left with blink for average plays some
surprise factor
Once again, the little two-man team threatening the kez.
We saw the double supports almost kill him earlier now.
Nisha joins with Box.
He threatens his life, forces out a reaction out of Extreme, which is the checkheels.
That flies, win round is on cooldown.
It actually turns to help out the jikiro instead of going for the kill, to end the water on
the jikiro, and there's just too much with the crimson guard, they lack the damage, nothing
stays going to teepee away from tier two, back to fountain, while xxs will die behind
his tier two.
Well, this has been fun, those will beat down our
right here expected a little more from next like everyone can agree this game
too looks a little bit better it's still favored for like when the liquid just
stomped them even harder I just think this here is just draft what do they
stop post to do
Right now they're watching Nikkei take the lanterns.
Yeah, it's trying to blink, but I have it all in all.
We're 3,500 HP, heart burst back with ice armor.
Yeah, that's not happening.
Ah, good luck now.
That's not happening.
And Nikkei knows it too.
He's just, he's, uh, I'm gonna end the game now.
You have to try and kill me.
Oh, the tier twos are gone.
I'm just going to go from one lane to the next.
Like, the fact that Liquid is doing this without even thinking about Roshan,
does so much.
Aume gets caught by the charge again, he showed on lane,
staying team, and it's last time, this time around, they have enough damage.
He just calls it. Aume was out of this lane.
I don't blame him.
Yeah, I don't really get what the game plan was with these support jewels, I think.
From a draft perspective, these two board drills were incapable of facing nothing.
They're set up to lose most of the lanes, and they're going to lose lanes against a team that plays faster and largely uses that advantage better than almost anybody else here.
That is just not a rush for success.
Very clean series from Liquid.
They're doing their usual out here, playing with some fast carries, getting those classic Nisha picks later on.
A lot of them were fans, so they're available, and you're just gonna gobble them up, and
he gets to do his usual war of protection.
It's like, what does he say about this game?
It's felt easy, man.
You're playing against Windranger Chen.
What are you scared of?
You're scared of your internet dropping off.
That's at the greatest risk.
Well, that's the funny little thing about that.
They're on the same building.
So what internet drops are those three others?
So you can't even hope for that if you're extreme game.
I guess you're really out of options there, I mean.
There's just no playmaking.
You're playing with Spirit Heroes mid, you have no playmaking.
What is the game plan? I don't get it.
Avery is astonished. He's outraged. How could you, like, do this?
He's just like... That's right.
There is precedent, though, for extreme gaming getting a little too big for their purchase on occasion,
but it seems like Liquid were just in the right room in the facility today.
Maybe they were just knocking next door and being like, hey, feel free to pick a primal beast into my shout even hey
Oh, you want to see the other side of the boys here putt matchup? It's okay. Nisha's goaded. So it doesn't really matter
Where you put on there's only room in that building for one good team now
Next she is getting evicted
Think about that. Let's talk about doing the same building. What if they walk out for coffee just now?
What do they do in the locker?
What do you mean, the liquid just walked in there and went na na boo.
Thank you.
The loser has to get coffee for the other team.
Yeah, that's all right.
Rough stuff from Extreme Gaming.
I am underwhelmed.
I did predict Liquid for this series in our pre-match predictions.
I would have thought it was pretty games.
This is not the fashion that I was expecting.
They're too fast.
Yeah, they're too fast.
I feel like if you look at XG's drafts, they don't appreciate.
in this series at least, that Liquid are going to pick heroes that are, in that game in particular, five strong mobile heroes.
Jaquiro aside, he's obviously not the most mobile, but he is quite hard to kill as a support, gives him that extra push.
You're going to kill Bristol back? How many heroes do you need for that?
Seven.
You're going to catch Puck? It's quite hard to do.
What happened?
You go Centaur? Is he fun to gank? Neil, you think, hey, let's quickly gank this Centaur?
No!
Piece of cake.
No! And then you've got a spirit breaker. It's like, hey, let's quickly grab the spirit breaker.
You need to use a lot to get these heroes. You've got Bulldoze, and he's just fast, and he's tanky.
Central can run everyone away. Very, very hard to catch them and kill them.
Meanwhile, the reverse of that is, they can hunt you down so easily. And we saw that.
Did you see at any point in that game, liquid farming on their side of the map?
past the laning stage. They were just in XG's jungle, in their triangle, in their jungle,
just taking all the creeps. They're just like, what? Literally what? Like, you come at me.
Come on, try and start a fight. It's like, uh, channel sender lad in. First of all,
just goos him and they all fucking die. Spirit break just charges through his army,
straight into Chen and just walks away. It was brutal. There's nothing XG could do.
I think they draft it for this slow, passive game. We'll get our mate Geck has a line,
We've got tight onto it perfectly, but then what have you got this liquid just like a torrent of heroes running out you all the time
I'm very very hard to deal with
25 minutes
25
30 I think yep sub our series great start for the day quick and easy I
Couldn't set a better myself. I
I don't know actually they have a horrendous matchup against liquid
It's just this team though the styles they drafted hit the nail on the head
It's just XG. They want to go lake in they want to farm and liquids like we have no business with these creeps our business with you
Take this up with you and your accountant coming for you. This is my routing number. You better lawyer up asshole
Yeah, I'm coming to your practice room in five seconds
You have such American phrasing by the way, it's very into like you and your accountant. What were you saying earlier? The
meat and potatoes
That meat and potatoes is a classic.
What else did you say?
Yeah, what else did you say?
Liquid draft looks...
Dookie water?
Not liquid.
Oh, not liquid.
Sorry, yeah.
In game one, he said liquid draft looks.
It was something really American-sounding.
Howdy-doodie?
I don't know.
How about starting using that one?
I digress.
This is why I like the cool Howdy-doodie draft.
Yeah, that looked really tough for Xtreme.
I think a lot of this game was dependent on the Void Spirit having a good game.
having a good game, like when you pick the Void Spirit into puck matchup, that's who you have
controlling the puck and controlling the pace of the game, but oftentimes it really doesn't swing
the way of the Void Spirit. And if you play that hero in a losing game, I just feel like it doesn't
have the capacity to come back into the game the same way that other heroes do. Like, it spells
just don't, it spells are very punishing, like if you use them to push out a lane, if you're like
double stepping to really quickly clear a camp and then you caught in the treeline, you're just that,
If you use your your blinkety, the simulant, blackety,
so the body move, you're using traces now.
If you have a bigity,
bopity, if it's not, you're just cooked.
It's not the same as like a puck pushing out sidelines.
You don't get your glass
separate silver by midnight, then it's you're cooked.
You're a pumpkin. That's right. That's right.
All right. Go to the ball.
We got to see a bunch of liquid over these past week and a half.
How much of this game is representative of how they won blast?
Is this, as you said, primarily a stylistic head-to-head of extreme late game versus liquid rundown?
Or did Liquid kind of amp things up specifically for this?
No, I think that's kind of how they want to play.
Like, it's ace and tofu.
Like, we played the same way for a long time, and so I think while Liquid was already a fast team,
I think those two coming from our style add a little more of the pushing element.
So I think they just want to end games fast.
They want to fight like that is just this team, that is how they won Blast.
And I think some teams can handle the heat.
And so, if you can handle the early game, then the game will go longer and you play more of like a normal Dota game.
But I think similarly in how Falkins has a laning skill check, I think Liquid has like a tempo skill check.
If you're like, if you're fighting and the actual synergy between your heroes, not about the lanes, but just like, how do your heroes fight together?
If that's not good enough, then they will just triumphal you, because they will keep bringing numbers.
And not every team will bring numbers like that. So you have to pass the fighting skill check.
Is your skirmish power good enough? Are you good enough actually?
Because there's team fighting prowess, right? Like some teams are good at team fighting.
Yeah, exactly. But just because you're going to teamfight, it doesn't mean you're good at like,
you know, extreme, they're a great teamfighting team. But they're early game fighting together
with their supports. It's honestly quite lackluster. I think the eight teams left here, it's one of the
worst. And so I think Liquid, even if they may not be, they may not be crushing them in lanes
per sale, they were doing well in lanes. I think the fighting and the combination of heroes is
really what sticks it to XG and, you know, kicks them out the practice room.
I like the distinguishing between skirmishing and teamfighting, because I think oftentimes they
to get lumped under the same umbrella, because it's just heroes facing off against heroes,
but there is a vast difference between five heroes going head to head versus two to three
heroes having a little battle in between.
Yeah, there's a lot of nuance to like who starts on who and who get like sometimes you
don't want to start on them, and you sort of bait yourself to get started on like if
a hero like J'Kiro, he's not a great starter unless he has an angle, right?
And they're sort of at a position you can chase them down with flows where someone like
a tusk can start on you in a more standard way.
There's a lot of nuance to how these different heroes actually want to kill people and
Understanding those things if you're not understanding is not on point suddenly start the wrong guy
The whole skirmish is over and now the next one is impossible like you have if you mess with that first one
It's whoo. It's bad for the next next year
and those I guess trickle down quite a bit from
heroes specifically over like I feel like late game teamfights oftentimes can be dictated by
net worth advantages and ionization
So like I have the blink dagger. I'm going to get initiation. You don't have BKB
That makes a big difference, but in the first 10 15 minutes is kind of just like I have more stunts than you
I have this mobility spell that you don't have. Yeah, they had a lot of mobile heroes
I mean, I honestly feel like if you're drafting and your solution is I will get this item that item and this item
And then these heroes will become easier to beat
Yeah
If you're up against a team that understands what your wing cut is and they're willing and drafted to
exploit that early game, what do you do? You never get a chance to catch up so I
don't know I feel like didn't really get the windrunner like the guys were
saying in the cast is like you pick this hero as like a flex but then if you
suddenly decide to make it a support, you can windrun a support. This doesn't feel
great so compared to Spirit Breaker and Jakiro give you a lot more it felt like.
I think that it depends on the player, honestly, because Batman yesterday picked Windrunner
as a flex and they gave it to save, and that's one of his biggies, right?
Like you give save Windrunner and he's a menace all over the map.
Maybe it's something that they have to refine a little bit more, but honestly, in extreme
gaming, I have a lot of faith in them to be able to adapt the way that they play.
I think that last season they showed us a lot more versatility and they did in sub-matchups.
It just feels like versus Team Liquid, they maybe have a mental block because they drafted
a little differently than they've been drafting for most of the tournament so far.
Yeah, I don't know.
They honestly, they also just played kind of bad, if I'm honest, like they look kind
of lost, it was kind of random.
Sometimes you just play bad.
I think like Liquid played well and I agree about all the drafting points, but also like
games only are this thompy when you draft that and you play bad.
Like if you do one or the other, then you'll lose, but it's not going to look like that.
happens you got all drafted and you play bad and they play well. Like it was like stacks
on stacks on stacks.
And we can add another stack to our roster of people to talk to because we got a winners
interview with the mastermind between these two games. Blitz, congratulations on a stellar
series and congratulations on making it to group stage 2 and dream league. What are you
doing here right now?
Aiden was the problem. I knew it once we
Once he was gone. It was super easy. Okay. I think we're finally in shape kind of and we've had zero days off
And I think it's been
23 days since we haven't had a scrim or an official. Wow
That is an intense visual. So wait, how much how much pre blast were you guys?
bootcamping
Think we boot camped starting the 25th. I believe is when we started scrims of January. Whoa
So whenever that happened, I don't think we've had a single day off from either scrims or officials. That's been intense then so then
Do you think that this schedule has been attributed to you guys?
Missing the Birmingham qualifier because I know that was a real shock to the system
How much of that was you grieving that process or do you think it would just passively you were like whatever it's next tournament
Let's turn it around
I mean Birmingham was a huge hit because we haven't missed the land and I think six years and so I think that was like the wake-up call
Because Nicky always makes this joke that we're just like salary chasers now and we're actually just like bad and I think
We kind of took that a little bit too seriously
We didn't really boot camp before Birmingham and at some point like things just become
perfunctory right like you're used to it you're used to qualifying for events yeah and it's
almost just like people roll over for you but people have been working a lot harder than
us and slowly like bit by bit they've caught up now and so just for us to get better we
kind of have to like up the stakes again and start being a little bit more try hard and
working a lot harder.
We also got a bit of unlucky at Dream League like my family got really sick that's why
try to go back to California like last second and stuff like that, which isn't an excuse
just to give context to like why the last streaming I think was out of the park.
Yeah.
So then on the topic of motivation, anecdotally, people on the internet, which who knows how
much faith you put in it, can see the difference in Nisha's gameplay sometimes, like sometimes
you watch him and you're like, oh my god, he really wants to win this tournament, he
wants to win this series.
And sometimes it seems like he's going through the motions.
On your end as the coach, do you ever pinpoint that out of Nisha?
I think Nisha, I mean, I think he kind of gets like, people misunderstand him a little
bit because I think just because he doesn't play pubs, he doesn't really care.
But I think he always cares.
He's probably the person on our team that takes losing the hardest.
I think it, I mean, clearly he's playing better.
He's like writing the shit out of pubs and it shows too.
I always think his skill level is like extremely good. I think most of his issues often are
a result of like our side lanes having problems and if your side lanes have problems like obviously
everyone will just come mid and mess with you and I think if like our side lanes are good
and they're skilled which I think they are right now I think ace and boxy are really cooking
and they really understand like how to play then I think you know these issues aren't as like a
parent I should say. So I think it has more to do with like everybody around him in a sense.
That makes sense to me. I'm gonna pass you on over to Quinn Callahan who's got some questions for you as well
Hello, William Lee. I was I was wondering now that y'all are having a little bit of success
I'm like you have to you know the prior half of this year
Are y'all gonna continue to like push hard and like really grind and keep improving or you like oh we're winning
That's that's cool
And you've like backed off it a little bit like how do you feel about pushing to improve when you're winning versus when you're losing?
How does that do you strike that balance? I?
I actually think in a lot of ways, it's easier for our team to improve when we're doing well,
just because it's easier. Matiu had this really great quote. It was like, when times are bad,
you actually try to just like stay overwhelmingly positive. And when times are good, you should
push for more, because it's easier to get more out of people when times are good, right?
Like I think 20 minutes after we won Blast, I talked to Tofu for like an hour about things
that could have been improved in our draft against Na'Vi. Like there was this TA pick that they had
in second phase where if we were to like leak comps I complain about for like five minutes
in the draft I'm like do not give them Templar on 16 and he just does and he's like there's no
way they'll pick it and they end up picking it and I you can see me just glare at him I think our
documentary will come out you'll see it like I'm just mad and so like I just want to win everything
now um yeah I just uh I think it's important that we just continue our momentum and we just
continue to try and like place full also the first half of the season we got third and fourth
than our two land appearances so you can't even hate. I mean Almsen is third and fourth you ain't
holding no trophy the end you're walking home with a bag of chips and just like your head in your
hands so I don't know. This is my take. This is your next question. Do you have a follow-up?
I mean I guess that does your entire team share that sentiment because Micah and Nisha specifically
famously are like yo it's all about TI and Riyadh everything else before that and whatever
speech mops so is everybody aligned with you on we're all pushing we want to win every tournament
because that was what Ace said at the beginning of RU he was like I want to be a strawless I want
I want to win every tournament. I don't care about just winning one tournament. So is he is that still his mindset?
Is that y'all's can join mindset or is this just simply your thoughts?
No, I think it's all our mindsets. I kind of feel like
um
I mean look, we're all getting a lot older
Uh, this is no surprise and as time goes on it gets harder and harder to do this job
And so I think we want to kind of strike what the iron's hot and just try and make
As much dollars as possible while also winning because I care about my legacy a lot in this game
I think it matters a lot to me that like I treated with a lot of respect and stuff like that and so for me
It's like a dual fold, right?
It's like I can make sure that my guys are financially set for the rest of the lives while simultaneously like building on our legacy in this game
I think liquids did by us when we were really asked and kept us like
and made sure that like we could
Get back to what we were in a really nice way
So I think we owe a lot to them too and so for me like personal responsibility wise
I want to make sure that, you know, we're proud of like our performances and stuff like that
And so I never want to be one of those like has been teams
That just kind of wades through a season and hopes are the best
If I'm here and I'm doing the job. I want to make sure that like we are competitive and I think we're all aligned on that
All right much respect. Thank you, William
I've got a question from a period flax for you as well
Hello, will my love. How are you?
Good environment. What's that? Good. Nice victory. I
Hear that XG are in the same facilities you I'm just wondering do they have to make you guys lunch because they lost?
Is there some kind of penalty? What's the deal? Oh?
Man, I don't even know if I should tell this. Okay. Well, I'll it. No, there's there's no panel now
It was like really awkward. I'm gonna shoot tofu here
Okay, you know, I'll tell it cuz it's funny and it should be funny while we were walking back
It's like awkward to share the space sometimes with them because while we were walking back
So who said some stuff like he's like this is way too slow
The entire draft time just bent like like you know that moment in your life when you're like, oh, no
Like that's all he could bring up in the draft is like he couldn't really focus on the draft because he was just a bear
He like felt really bad because he's you know talk about his speech. I don't he's like, oh, no
Like he's gonna he's gonna feel bad about that and he just kept doing this. He's like
Well, he's got time to chat to him and apologize now, so it's the way it goes
Yeah, I think he's gone over to like say like
Thank you, Will and yet despite that guidance I feel like they didn't really correct for game number two
How'd you feel about your drafts in this series? I?
I felt like they were pretty straightforward. I think they did some stuff where I was a little bit confused
Like we had clock and SD which are like the best heroes against primal in the game
And we kind of got like a freebie
Because like I think we led with SD then they primal then we're like okay clocks open and I think if anybody watch blast
I'm not even leaking anything here because we picked clock into primal like three times in a row
So that part was a little bit confusing for me. I'm not really sure what the angle was there
And then faceless void is like if I ever see that hero against me on a screen
I'm super happy because our team really likes tempo and that is the slowest hero in Dota
So that one kind of felt like they give me to me
Yeah, I don't really know what's going on over there
Because I think they're actually a really smart team, but maybe against us
It just is like a bad play style difference or matchup. Yeah, that was our take as well as that was a stylistic thing
Blitz unfortunately, we have a lot of time until our next series. So I've got another question for you
I lost rock paper scissors
So one dimensional you know, he's good at 1v1 matchups blitz come on
Who do you think is the best of three and he said best of one and I said, okay
And I should have been a red flag but continue sorry
Who's the best I rock paper scissors? I'm curious about how often do you use it to settle let's say conflict
It's like if somebody doesn't want to do content is probably the thing that we do the most
Because it's just quick right and Nisha always is rock
But like I thought we would grow up right at some point and realize that I knew he was gonna throw rock
Anyway, sorry you can
I just wanted to ask, because you guys are co-existing.
Actually, rather you're hosting XG and your facility.
What is that like?
Is it weird?
Is it cool?
Do you guys exchange ideas at any point?
Or are they just kind of there and you're there?
What's kind of funny is I actually
asked them if they wanted to exchange ideas,
and I think they shoved me down.
Right before we left for BLAST, I was like,
if you guys want to, because I know their manager's
fixing the show, I was like, if you guys want to just
talk Dota, not like obviously leak anybody's ideas, but more just like mutually, culturally
share because I think it'd be cool. They were like, not really interested, I guess.
And so we haven't had too much interaction. Every time I see like FYI, I kind of fanboy
a little like my heart does that little skip, you know, because when I was a caster, he was
my favorite player to cast by far. I think I have like a clip out there where I call
him a monster and stuff. And that's one of my favorite casts. And so like every time
I see FY I'm like and he's also really handsome. So I'm like, Oh, you know
It's awkward when you beat them like did you just you know, go out to get your coffee and then
one of their players is there and
You guys make contact or what happens? We always go outside when our loss
After the games and so like we went outside and then FY just like, you know, he wants to get fresh air
So just like sneak somebody and we all just go quiet because I'm not actually
100% censure like how good his English is and stuff like that. So like we don't really want to risk it
And so it's a little bit awkward, but at the same time like they're really respectful of the space
They have really good sleep schedules, so they're out of here way earlier than we are
So it's actually been really easy rooming with them or hosting them. I should say okay
This one isn't a question. It's just kind of something I wanted you to be aware of
Did you know that?
Well, I guess I phrased it like a question
But the liquid curse that Dream League is still carrying on just through a different medium
but we have like a talent leaderboard for predictions and
Aiden is at the very bottom
Wait, we're doing well shouldn't you just be like putting all of his eggs in our basket like what is he messing up on like I don't understand
He claimed that he messed up on a lot of Yandex predictions and spirit predictions
Okay, ah, okay. Well, it is like the biggest spirit fanboy. So that makes sense like he I think
Like I think of all teams. We probably had like a really low win rate against spirit because like Aiden was like secretly fanboy
It's gonna die to him like six or seven times. So my boy doesn't get the washed allegations
To be fair, I'm getting cooked too. So I'm not making fun of him, but I was winning
I have this theory. I think me and Neil are not here. I'm also tied at the top queen is also
Thank you. But I have this theory that he's siphoning the curse energy like she's he's kind of tanking. He's thanking it for you
Yes, I just want to do it. What he's doing for you
You know what Aiden has always been the most self-sacrificial person that I've known in Dota
It's like his personality through and through you can probably tell by just the sheer amount of media appearances
We made him do
So that doesn't surprise me one bit that he's tanking it for us in spirit still
I think it just speaks to the true nature that even while he's gone
He's still a part of team liquid will keep will keep poking him with pens and this voodoo doll
So that maybe you guys get a back-to-back victory after that blast blitz
Thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us always pleasure
Oh
Before I go can I just like I want to do like a quick call-out segment. Can I do that really quick?
All right, first I want to call out heroic for making us have to go through that lower bracket for no reason by losing an unwinnable game
Against mouse. That was thank you guys for that really hate you guys for that one
Also want to give a negative shout out to Quinn for just generally being dog shit
You're a bozo
Constantly underrating us as an organization as a team. I also want to kick
I also want a negative shout out Avery for always picking against us
He did.
The funniest thing I have to see on a day-to-day basis
is how Avery's gonna like downplay our draft.
That guy actually was like,
Faceless Royd is a good pick here.
I'm like, what?
I'm listening to this guy like,
twist and turn and he's like really white-knuckling it
to make sure that like,
you know, whatever we do is like a negative.
So, you know, anti-shoutout to that.
Shoutout to, uh, anti-shoutout to all the bald people.
I'm not trying to shoot anybody here, but I'm trying to make that known.
If you don't have hair, there's something like,
you know, something's cursed you.
you. And I think that's about it. Dick? Explore Warwick with Speaker Shit, King, and keep
on getting them dubs. Well done. We'll see more liquid later on in this Dream League.
I'll kick his ass next month. We're not in Birmingham, but they're fucking making it.
The best in Birmingham, he won't be there. But they will be there for the remainder of
a Dream League, because they're doing quite well so far. That's just the first best of
three of the day though. We've gotten mouths versus tundra as our second series, but don't
worry we've got some games in between. Keep you entertained, stick around everyone, and
we'll be back with more training.
Just give me the beat, that's all I need
Just move your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't do it for free
Turn off the heat like an oven baby, give me that oven
Make me wanna lose control
Go in the beast, I'll pump it in the party
Get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your clue
So cool that you know what you're doin' in my life
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet
Just give me the beat
I don't wanna step in your toes when I see you movin'
I don't wanna let this go unless that's what you're choosing
If you can't get out, then it's the truth and it's already proven
I just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for you, get amusement
Turn off the heat like an oven, baby, give me that love and ain't me wanna lose control
Go in the beat, stop popping in the party, get jumping in the party, get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool, then you know what you're doing right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do, got some nature in my life
I'm just gonna be
Just gonna be
Don't wanna do this again, I wonder if I'll give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye, no, no, no
Once we were both so happy just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why did we take our granddad for that was good
I wish we could find what we had
And bring it back outside
Let's give it one more try.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't want to dig into this.
Don't want to stop this.
Let's give it one more try.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't want to see this.
Bye.
I know we both had moments.
We're both the same.
No one's to blame.
No.
I'm sure that you agree, it's not all for yet
Let's not forget the most hours I've been up on wood
So girl, don't wanna do this to me
Don't wanna do this to me
Just one more try, just one more try
Come on, sing the song
A love like we once had just
Can't be denied
If we both feel this way then
Come on, let's do it right
Come on, sing the song
Come on, sing it, sing it
Let's get it one more time
Don't wanna stay on my back
Let's get it one more time
I'm gonna take a bath
Don't wanna give this dance
Let's get it one more time
I'm gonna take a bath
Don't wanna take a bath
I'm gonna hurt you next, don't stare at me Get ready for it, yeah, get it
You've never seen a room with this game I can strike the day so watch and learn
Turn around and try to calm down
Everybody rise your glass and I'm haulin' to be here
All you ladies now just recognize
How we do, do we get away?
That's how we do
We're sippin' it, we're sippin' it
We got that stuff, we're sluggin' like they do
Now we can do it, we got that stuff
Walkin' in the club, the model's gonna show
We got that stuff, we're walkin' in the swing
And he's gonna stop and hit me
Oh, that's the bitch you wanna see
Welcome back friends to a little bit more
Dream League season 28 action
We have a little bit of time until we continue our next series
is going to be Tundra taking on a mouse.
So in the meanwhile, I felt inspired by a little discussion
that our panel was having.
There was this idea that sometimes you can just
think of an item and immediately associate a player
with that item.
And so I thought it would be interesting to show you guys
a couple of examples of items, and I want to see
what's the first player that comes to mind
whenever you see these icons.
There's no right or wrong answers.
This is an open discussion.
You guys down for this?
Let's do it. Rock and roll.
Let's roll the first icon.
I'm going to make it real easy and come up with some real obvious answers for this.
Amar.
Why Amar?
Amar?
Because he innovated dropping mantles as a form of flaming people saying,
you need to get smarter.
He literally pioneered them.
I think it was a thing before him.
I think like Russian players would do it and stuff like that in pubs,
like some random rank 500s.
And I think he co-opted it.
I was like, as you can ping it, it would say,
I think so much. Yeah, I think I think you should purchase mantle of intelligence or whatever
It's not an original but like he
He's the one who like
And so I think it's his he was like Thomas Edison. Okay, the Thomas and that's not make the level no
We ripped off a lot of ideas. Oh really? He was a good businessman
Yeah, the rank 500 Russians were the Teslas of their time and then Amar the Edison comes in and drops the mantle of intelligence
That one was obvious. This second one's also pretty obvious. Let me show you our second item
GPK happy GP K
Quinn has the answer that I was thinking I think it's chappy. We don't need to write our answers apparently
I'm done for GPK. I've changed for the better
This this is so like this item the thing is it kept killed like they made it to where it's not permanent anymore
Yeah, and when I think about like aside from like things I never did the shout out any other things
So like the of people like famous people who griefed continuously Chappy is the guy to me that was like
Chappy's shadow amulet another game like he was like
Like if you were ever played more priority, this guy was chappy was always in your game
Like he is the shadow amulet guy to me. Okay chappy chappy. That makes sense. Chappy's a legend
All right, Ted this next one. I think I want your help on because
This is an association that I go back in time for
I've got a big strong feeling on this one.
Do you know how far back I'm going, Quinn?
You feel like it's the...
I would assume it's TI3.
Yes, that's what I'm thinking of.
Oh my God.
Oh, shit.
No, you've lost me.
It's too far in the past.
S4?
S4.
That was iconic.
Oh, when he cancels the TPs and...
It wasn't necessarily a play.
It was... for some reason, this dude had a hack where no matter what hero he was playing,
He would get the haste run at the perfect times, and they would last for like two minutes whenever he bottled it.
Right.
Is that what it felt like to you?
I mean, I wasn't playing back then, but he did get haste all the- I remember that was the meme, it was like S4 haste.
I do remember the meme. Yeah, I do remember the meme.
Then nerf the duration multiple times.
Oh yeah, I think it lasted way too long.
It lasted like at least a minute or something.
It's crap now, you can barely get anywhere with it.
This next one's a little bit more open-ended. I don't know if there's one right answer necessarily.
Divine Rapier.
For me, this one is pure, or at least pure last year, or a year and a half ago, it felt
like he had the highest rapier purchase at most recent beamleaf, like when he was really
popping off on his former teams, I just felt like, oh, he's got a rapier, and he was like
going gyro with a rapier, going TA with a rapier, it felt like he built two items into
a rapier, and that was his thing.
He's not doing it so much these days, but that was something he really did.
For me, it's Envy.
It's kind of like...
Envy's a good answer.
It's a good answer.
Like, loads of times, I felt like Envy Rapier was like the 50-50 EE.
50-50.
So many of them involved in Rapier, but wasn't that when he suddenly bought it on his career
and the career died and...
Right.
Like, if there was anyone that was going to be in a late-game situation, I'm going to
go river, go to the river, and then, guess what, it really loses it.
It's going to be Envy.
Envy, you know, it's just too funny to me.
Yeah, there is also like a famous Dota 1 moment with ZSMJ.
Do you remember that time?
Oh, yes. That's with Radiance though, not with Rapier.
No, I think it was... He bought a Rapier on Medusa.
It broke on the way to him and he just farmed another one.
I believe it's Radiance with Spectre. It is ZSMJ, but I believe it's ZDNJ playing Spectre
and he farmed a Radiance. And then the Radiance got killed on Chicken and he farmed another Radiance.
Was that something you did?
Yes, yes.
Okay, for me, I don't know why, maybe it's like the Mandel effect that I remember Medusa and a Rapier.
But I'll take your word for it.
your word for it. For me, when I see Raphir, I think Havost.
That's a good answer. Because of like the gyrocopter. There's
like those gyrocopter games where you get two Raphir's and one Raphir.
Like I think Envy is also super good. For me, I think it's between Havost and Envy.
Yeah. I would definitely say Envy purely because it's just the stakes in an Envy game
are high enough now where you're like anything could happen here, anything. And then you
buys a rapier it's like it's like he's it's like he's he's put it all in black
and he's like wait a second and pulls out the deeds to his house and puts them on
black and all in all yeah and you just like please don't gamble everything on
this because this is just this is just too much for my heart so I will say I
also associate envy because I feel like one of the iconic envy rapier games was
with Ember spirit yeah and then after that I think this is the order the Ember
spirit got a cosmetic for both of his swords to be rapiers and I think it was
inspired by an MV game.
Nice.
I think you're right.
He's like a bootless that game, right?
Yeah, he was like double rapier, double datalist,
double battle fury, or like, it was battle fury blink,
and like dropping bots on the ground.
If those plays were so fun when you could go battle fury
on Ember, then it was hype.
I would say it was so fun.
Next one, I also like how open-ended you guys made this one.
I've got another one that is open to interpretation,
Hand of Midas.
If nothing jumps out, that's fun.
I just want to know what's the one that kind of comes to the top of your tongue when you see this item.
Bulldog?
Okay, I like that.
Like going back to Fury in days?
Yeah.
Like that's kind of the, that's like the time, one of the times Dodo or Midas was the most popular, also like Double Midas on Laundry.
That's what I was thinking.
It's kind of a bulldog thing.
Yeah.
Um...
There was that patch where everyone...
Where everyone was playing at the end.
But a Karma Witch player I would associate with that patch.
For that patch, I would associate it with 33.
Oh, yeah.
You probably bought it the most, but suited everyone to it.
Everyone.
I just don't do them for sure.
Oh, yeah.
Now that I definitely bought this, I thought I had them all lost.
Like, leaving late minuses and things like that.
That's my modern association.
I think all my association's been worn out.
That's perfect.
This is the distribution that I was hoping for.
Next up, I feel like there may not be,
there's a player that you would associate,
but a team that you may associate with.
This is Wraith Path, not, oh is it Vlad's or Wraith Path?
This is Wraith Path, yeah, that's 33, Tundra.
That is Tundra.
For me that's also ace, you guys did this too?
No, no, no, I was not on the team when this item existed.
Okay.
When I joined the team, this item had already been deleted.
Who was that coach, was that Aoi there?
That guy wants you there, right?
I'm gonna say Aoi because I feel like it was probably his idea.
That's a good answer.
I'm gonna say Aoi, we haven't got a key item for him.
It's a nice, post-playing career coach, a coached bit of guy to where he's just like,
guys, just everybody get raced backs and we can't lose or whatever, you know, so I get
it every game.
That was it.
I'm going to say Ali.
That was the year they won TI, right?
Exactly.
Okay, then there's only, there's only one more gun.
It's got to be.
And immediately got removed from the game.
Yeah.
Don't shoot.
Like this was a mistake.
We should not let this happen again.
Silly.
Very silly.
Singapore TI 2022 Tundra is a secret weapon.
Next up, this one is an item that everyone gets.
But who do you associate it with? A TP scroll?
So, what about Nightfall? Because he, BKBTPs, must have TPs to do that with.
So, the inferences, the BKBTP, half of it is the TP.
I think about, I think about also about S4 or Dendi because we cancelled Dendi's TP as well.
You guys are thinking about, you guys are thinking about a half recipe and you're thinking about cancels.
For me, there's really only one answer here, and it's K1 Hector. Okay? The Hector TP?
Do you guys forget about that this guy?
Yeah, that's fair. That's a very foul name.
To go farm a lane.
I like it.
That's the kind of thing you did every single time.
Like, they literally called it the K1 TP.
That's funny.
That's the F2 these days.
I don't know, actually.
Bad teams and pubs on Hatch.
I guess so.
Wait, Neal, what is your association with that item? Did you have one in mind?
Well, I was baiting you. I baited Ted successfully,
Because you can't choose the same answer twice and the next item I need a different answer for Ted because the next one is
Another one that you may have pre-associated. It's a BKB.
Nightfall.
I already said nightfall so I can't say nightfall again.
You can't choose nightfall again.
By the way, what the fuck is the BKB?
It's a staff. You're looking at the head of a staff.
Yeah, but what is it?
I don't know.
It kind of looks like a guy.
It does.
He looks like a guy like a real wide guy.
Like I'm doing this it's always struggle. I've always struggled to see what I understand. It's the the head of a star
Yeah, to me it looks like a skull a ram like a ram
Yeah, I always look to me like the the long bit of the one is the nose. It's like an elephant
Let me see so who do we associate this with anyone besides nightfall, but then we decide on Hector
So we can say nightfall
We didn't... we didn't battle on Night Fall 3.
You didn't even mention the item, it's just the nightfall.
The nightfall.
Doing the nightfall.
Imagine such an iconic item and this late in the game, someone finally trademarked it.
That's the importance of branding.
Yeah.
Next one, I feel like there is an answer that jumps to my mind.
Mantis style.
Arteezy?
That's the one that I'm thinking of.
The Arteezy reactions.
Yeah.
But I do accept other answers.
No, I think that's the one.
I think this is the one too.
Even still when people met that I never go
I will also say there's a really iconic miracle man. That's the other one. He's jogging
He manages to
So man to dodge and survive and then they win the fight
I can't wish he I that would have been seven. There would have been seven right like that was definitely at ti
Yeah, you're talking about the jug mom by top row. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's
Kind of iconic I would say I would agree but I think I tease he deserves a and I am as well
So, yeah, let's do that.
Our core does deserve it.
He is an iconic figure.
He is absolutely iconic.
They both are.
Mantadodge is just associated with...
It is the other...
A lot of people can have cool Mantadodges,
but I think it's just always gonna be the RTC.
It's like if anyone lands a good hook on Pudge,
it's a dendi.
Yeah, exactly.
Even if he has a plate for a dendi.
It's like, it's the dendi.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
One more item.
Another one that is very popular in the game,
but you may think of certain players
particular Blink Dagger. We did chat about this backstage, didn't we? Yeah. And I think there was
one name that sprung to mind and it was Collapse, purely because it feels like he uses it and plays
heroes that utilize it so well that his Magnus performance with the Blink, it's like it's hard
to separate the two and they want a TI off the back of his performances. So I feel like Collapse
and Blink Dagger to me, he just seems to, it's like whenever he casted it, it felt like
he ex-squeezed even more range out of it than he possibly felt.
Like how did he do that?
Like perfect Blink, perfect timing, horn tossing into skewer, I would personally say collapse,
but I defer.
I think collapse is like the iconic Blink-spun archetypal offlaner, so that one's pretty
good.
I also think of, you remember Yaffet, he bought Blink Dagger in every game and it was like
I'm sure he wasn't a pro player or something, but he was in every YouTube compilation that
every Dota player ever watched, I think he was worth a shout out.
He was so electric.
Oh man.
You are electric.
I miss that music.
It was an iconic Dota 1, I like it.
Quinn, you sticking with Collapse also?
Yeah, I mean, this thing, Yaffetz, I think Sumail is someone who bought Blink a lot,
like a lot of random heroes.
He didn't even buy Blink on Potom and just like anything, just like, I mean, he was the
the one who did the whole pot and build with the axe, e-blade, blinker, whatever, like all
this crap.
I think of blink with Sumaila too, but I think Collapse is like, he's the best initiator
of all time.
And you gotta give the best initiator, like he is blink bagger.
That's just him.
We can settle on that, yeah.
Sure.
Those were some item associations, but I like this passive we're going down on history lane.
So I also have some team icons.
And when the logo pops up, I want you to think, what player do I immediately associate with
This team some of them are historical some of them are a modern and now let's see if we're going to pull up our very first icon
That's a give me
Too many other players felt like they went there and had the worst time of their lives and they'd left
So then here's an interesting
I felt like he was there forever and did well with them
So then how about this who's the second player that you associate with teams?
Personally, maybe Zyle Yapsor.
Yapsor is my choice.
Okay, Yapsor is better.
Yapsor is better than him.
Yeah.
But, I mean, like, Nisha spent plenty of time on that team's game.
Yeah, but he's been liquid for so long.
He's had, he's had, he also won TI with liquids, which kind of erases this secret time in a
while.
But that is, like, puppy.
And Sardvok Matt is the other name I'd associate with, sure.
Ah, yeah.
You don't sometimes feel like, you know, secret Nisha, like, sometimes I still think secret
dot Nisha when he makes moves on top of other things like that.
He really don't.
Not anywhere.
But at last, I was doing some crowd work where I was chatting to some guys and I said to him,
which team you hit his support and he said liquid and I said, why?
And he showed me he pulled open his shirt and he had a secret jersey underneath like Superman.
Wow.
He pulled his shirt and there was a secret jersey.
He said, I still think secret nature.
I was like, what the fuck?
That's a throwback.
So for some of the fans, that was iconic for him.
Absolutely.
I would say puppy slashy absolute.
I like it.
I like that.
Next one is a little bit more also in the history books, then it's easy to come up with
lot of answers for this one. I think it's Bulldog. I think Loda, honestly. I give it to Loda as well.
I ask Loda for an exit. Get the fuck out of there! Well, so the only answer I could answer is that
it's the old Alliance logo. So specifically, I'm thinking the 2013 post-No-Tidehunter era.
Yeah, because it's the old one. Like that era is Bulldog. It is Bulldog. Like that team,
Bulldog was a streamer, he was a personality, he was very populated.
Anyone to the I?
Yeah, anyone. That team back then, it was Bulldog plus 4 in a lot of people's eyes.
Yeah, he won a lot of games. But then again, you look at guys like S4.
He was a genuinely iconic player.
He was the best player in the world at the time.
The trade-off would be that S4 also found moderate success on other teams afterwards.
Bulldog was basically quintessentially alliance through and through.
But that was Loda.
Lota is true. Absolutely. Lota's just not as much of a public figure as bulldog was so I think it's like he was also
Like bullbuck's quite inflammatory and also quite like a contentious public figure in some ways where it's loaded besides like the
10,000 dollars a day that he was kind of just like guy who played on Lions and then
Yeah
There's a very obvious answer and Quinn you're not allowed to answer for this
So we need to hear from Effie
Oh interesting
Quinn is the crew
To me it's SVG
SVG
SVG crew gang
Yes, it is because he is my friend
When Quinn is not
I can't say Quinn he said
No he said I can't answer
Too easy
Oh you can't say Quinn or I can't answer
Both
Oh I'm saying Quinn I'm sorry
You can't say Quinn he said
I can't watch me
Well I say LOA for Effie
I think you're both wrong
I think it's Yauer. I think it's Yauer, Jack or Mojo.
Oh, Jack is a shout. Those three were on the team longer than both me and Avery.
I wasn't even on the original iteration, and the second iteration, Avery wasn't on.
So Yauer, Mojo and Jack were the only ones apart of all iterations of that team.
You're not allowed to answer, he said.
I'll give it to Jack. I'll give it to Jack.
I think it's Ying Bai. It's his work.
I'll give it to Jack.
KBBQ.
Good answers. I've got another North American squad that could have a variety of answers.
Nouns. Gunner?
The first thing I thought was also Gunner.
I think Gunner.
And their top HTI run in Seattle.
The thing is, it's hard for me.
When teams come up where I've worked with these people, it suddenly becomes them.
It's always going to be now and stop Gunner, Quincy Q, Quincy Crew, SvG.
If you bring up Liquid, I'm going to say Insania, by the way, I'm spoiling it.
I'm going to say Gunner, but I'm biased.
I think you can also say Husky.
You can also say Sammy Boy.
But I do think Gunner is the most well-known of all these players for sure.
He's also done talent work as well, so he's one of those.
I like you keeping it well-rounded though, Quinn.
Everyone deserves these shout-outs.
Next up...
Yeah, that's a name not many people know next one is also back into the history books
team
It's or aosin shot aosin. I'm sorry
Bambal a lot of people think about when I think about era for a lot of people
Bambal rest in peace is is the guy that springs to mind, but what a team
Honestly, just legend. I was a huge fan of them like I wasn't a player
And I remember watching all their games like it was so high. It was awesome. How they fucking dominate it
It was so good eating all these dudes as a first turner in every career
Harness the power of MVP and MVP Phoenix
Eventually rose up to they like phone down and show these partners. Yeah, that was so funny
Good answer will thing to do to spot a gaffer the mark. He's like having a tournament. They don't even have a play
We should make a team. It's also stealing from his own people like
the motherland and took all their money.
Alright, next one I really want Effie.
I need a quick association for this one because,
oh no, never mind, not this one.
Why not, that one's on the screen.
Well yeah, okay fine, I'll take that one.
You want me to do it?
Well, uh.
Is the Effie special on the next one?
I don't know now.
Alright, so shall we just all do this?
Sure.
I would say PPV for me.
Really?
Okay.
This one's hard.
Because I also think universe.
Yeah.
You gotta think.
Ear, mail, or TV, or mail.
was like and I on our tour you're gonna choose between all of these like I don't
know if I can choose on PPG like the evil genius like that was right it was
he was the king of that team like as much as all these players around him
you're right nearer when you think e.g. you think of the evil genius you think of
I just remember that's what people called him right yeah because he wasn't
the flashiest player but he was the head of he was the cockiest I think we'll
I have to give it to PPT.
I have to give it to Sumail, like, he was literally,
I think him at TI5 was the biggest gap there has ever been
between one player and every other player.
He was the best player in the world by far.
It was not even close.
He was also 15, still the youngest player of ever won TI.
Yeah, got it.
Like, when you think Sumail, you think EG,
you think the little kid with the neck pillow
was clapping Shiky's cheeks.
I mean, he was by far the most talented player
on that team at any point.
But my question to you is, do you associate him
with the EG brand?
Because when I think of branding, like I think of EG,
he just isn't like super brand adjacent to me
in that sense.
If I pair with Sumel with any org, I pair with EG.
I do not think about Nygma Sumel at all.
Yeah, or any of the other teams.
And he was kind of only EG really, mostly.
He was on EG for longer than anyone else.
That's correct.
Our tour may be longer.
Well, if you're counting total days,
But we're not discussing pure skill, right?
We're not discussing pure skill, we're discussing like branding, like who do you associate with an org logo.
I think if we asked most fans, I think they would say Sumo.
I don't think there's any right or wrong answer, this one's a trivial one.
I also think, like, Aoi is up there, I think Universe is like...
You need to get kicked.
Yeah, exactly, like it was all like controversy.
Like, I think Universe and Fear, like it feels sad to not name them.
It is hard, I'm listening.
Oh, I can't.
That's a genuine iconic team, that is a genuine.
Universe was going off my head.
I think this is one of the coolest teams of all time, genuinely.
Yeah, no genuinely, it was amazing.
But for pure branding, I'm just gonna...
For branding, it's the good idea.
Making it pure branding, like the two players that I really associate with Evil Geniuses
are PPD and RTZ and also actually Fear, so three players that really first pop into my
head.
I don't think we can pick one name.
That's fun.
Personally, it's very hard.
There's no right answer.
I think the Bull Ross are so iconic.
The next one though, this is the one after I won an immediate association because again,
There are a lot of right answers, but I want to know which one you think of, LGD Gamer?
Oh, don't do that on me.
I know, it's on me.
It's on me.
I think that's perfectly respectful.
Honestly, so I think PSD and LGD has had so many good iterations, but their iteration
at TI 10 is my favorite team of all time.
That team magic was happening, so it feels bad to exclude anybody, especially Faith Beyond.
He was owning at the time.
It was so good, but I mean, Omne will forever be LGD.
And LGD will always be Omne in my heart.
That's valid.
Karian and Quinn, do you have any other ideas?
The first name that came to my mind was Yao.
Ooh.
OK.
Like, I think back to, because that's the original LGD logo.
It's not PSD-LGD.
That's the original logo.
Yeah.
And when I think original logo, I think Yao.
Back to like TI2 times.
TI3.
That was, I mean, if you're going PSD-LGD,
Yeah, it's like then it's on a if you're before the army or I don't think it's maybe for me
It's y'all and then it's maybe and then it's on a in like eras because there were more were eras and before there
PSG it was also like back then it was more somnus than it was on a in my opinion. It was only
That's like the Chinese eG I think in terms of like yes, we play as yeah
If I give my vote, I won't change it, but I will concede if you guys put the fight on a different level.
I'm not surprised no one went for Jal-8. You don't put Jal-8 with LGD?
Yeah, you do.
The thing is, Jal-8, back then he was playing.
Yeah.
Like, he wasn't playing. He never played on LGD, as far as I can remember.
Let me verify.
He won TI on Vici?
Newbie, Newbie.
Yeah, Vici lost in the finals. That's right. He won TI on Newbie.
Yeah.
Vici was like RK.
He played. So on LGD, he was active from 2011 to 2014 as a player.
And then he kind of bounced around between different teams.
And then he was also on LFY. But that's not the logo I put up, but yes.
Okay, fair.
I'm with Mirror.
I think I'm YOW or maybe on this logo.
Pre-PSG? I'm those two.
I understand branding is important, but I hear LGD and I think I'm there.
That's Valage. Valage.
Then my last few questions are on the bottom left of your server. Yes, bottom right bottom bottom right of your screen
What do you associate with now is Quinn?
correct
What oh, yeah, okay? Well, I guess technically yes, that is a good answer. I
Don't really remember the old mouse team very well. Yeah, three honestly. I don't say here like I was that
That's thing thing. Oh
Yeah
What was his name these things wasn't it miles at one point?
I think
I
Like had at one point maybe so if you're looking back, yes
They've had a pie cat Fata misery and SS rosters. They've had things thing BAMBO black crew crew
It was what Ted mentioned
Quikva was on it at some point. Oh
We've got 2015, Bulbo was on it, Way Too Sexy was on it, Highlight Guy was on it.
I think Fada or Shing Seng?
For me Fada was the only name that was like wait let me remember and I was like yep.
I wish you could see gaming up there dude.
I just remember him on that team and he was just a baby.
They were all babies by then.
The very last one, Tundra Esports I feel like there's only one right answer for that one.
It's gotta be 33 right?
That's right. It's gotta be 33.
The man won a TI on that and then was given the keys to the kingdom on what he would like his roster to be.
Now let's see if he can use that roster to beat Malz, ladies and gentlemen. Get ready for that series after the break.
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We've got a new guest joining the panel, and Sania, welcome to Maus vs Tundra.
You going to teach us some things?
Thank you very much.
Yeah, I mean, I wanted to highlight the carry matchup for this one.
Crystal has obviously played on Tundra up until quite recently.
I think it was right after TI, that he left the roster.
So this is like, for me, a battle of like,
you know, Crystalous doesn't really have the biggest ego,
but I'm sure there's like some vengeance in spite,
versus Pure's like, I'm going to prove
that they made the right decision in getting me over you.
So I'm going to be keeping an eye on these two players.
I think they are going to be the focal point
of the matchup for me.
And yeah, very excited to see how this game goes.
Do you think it's unfair for most people
to probably side Pure,
if you're going carry to carry at that
yeah i mean i think this is criminally underrated i've done a few
podcast with them and i've also heard his opinion on this
and uh... also he is uh... very good carry player he said
i think he said something along the lines of you can't really say it by
yourself but i'd he does kind of feel like he was unjustly kicked
okay yeah so which team return party wasn't we're talking
i think everything i don't think you can live it is one particular one and i
I think the thing with Crystallis is he's not as flashy maybe as Pure, but he just wins games, and I think that's his best quality.
Yes, I agree.
I just wanted to point out that both of these players have a tendency to get kicked, right?
But Crystallis is always vindicated in the end.
Like, the next team he joins will win something with them, like with Pary Vizion, for example, or Naos.
Whereas with Cura, we get to see that, you know, big,
I'm gonna prove that I don't deserve to be kicked.
So I feel like you just have a bit of a chip on the shoulder, in that sense.
It's the curse of all these carries that don't put up big numbers all the time.
Like, I classify Chrystalis very much in, like, the skitter camp,
where they will get the job done consistently every single time,
but they're not getting, like, 10,000 GPM, 50KD, or 50,05KDAs and stuff like that,
and people just don't like that.
You can't have five flashy lads on a team.
That's nonsense.
That's not a team. There's no sport where that works.
In the world, in history, you need to have a couple of people who just do their fucking job
and do it well and solidly, because if you don't have that, when the flashy lads
pull ass over tit and make fool themselves, who's going to pick them up?
Who's going to say, don't worry. Gotcha. I've been farming for 25 minutes.
Thanks for that, by the way, and now I'm going to carry the game for you. You need that.
Who would you think is the the person that you keep your eye on the most in mouse then because if it's not necessarily
Crystal's because he's just kind of doing his job
Who do my supposed to pinpoint to be like yo, this is the playmaker on mouse
I mean to be honest like we should be looking at crystals more
Okay, like I feel like if you have a player that is consistently winning games no matter what team is on and everybody
Thinks he's just not that good
There is something's happening there that we're just too stupid to understand that I feel like that's the honest truth
I think anyone can look at your Torah or Satanic and be like oh yeah
He's hitting more creeps and the enemy guy, and that's good, and he has more kills than the enemy guy
That's good, and he has more items than enemy guy. That's good
Like they're playing though at a level that we can understand they're making it basic for us
You know it's carry level that like carry players at pub level like we all get it
Crystal this is like some other level of genius that we look at him more like that doesn't quite look right
But it still wins the game and yeah, there's subtext and stuff
Yeah, exactly. It's just he's like operating at a higher level than we understand.
I believe it.
He's like, Damia hates Yatoro. There's the headline.
GUS! CAP!
The carry for dummies. Anyone knows what Yatoro's doing and knows that it looked good.
I want to know what Miles has been doing and to do so we actually got a chance to speak
to Salary earlier about his team's mentality.
So we're going into Dream Deck. I'm feeling very good now.
With everything we've been preparing this week, I'm just very confident.
It's more important to feel confident than to be well-prepared.
Preferably you have both.
But no matter how prepared you are or how practiced goes,
it's very important that when you play, you feel like you're ready.
And that's the unique mix of both.
I'm well coming out for the guy this time, Jay!
I can pull it right back in.
This macro pirate is no-ball.
But he's in his snowball out to the side, getting through, and they do find a little bit of connection, but still no one's dying.
All 10 heroes down here, the hero of the first of all, Moon!
The only next game is a ghost and a zip away!
Are we good at learning from tournaments?
I think we can be better at it.
I think it's a challenge that every team faces where you try to have the right takeaways every time.
When you lose, it's usually a bit easier, but even when you lose, it's very easy to have the wrong takeaways,
which you might not even realize so much in a moment, if you think it makes sense what you're thinking.
So for the past year, I've been captain of Muzz, and comparing it to before, I would say, I'm trying to do things the same way as I did before.
We'll never be able to compare it to in-game, and we expect that we won a bit too much in a row,
and then everything is unfair.
You have overconfidence in other teams, or a friend when they play, so...
I don't know if I'll ever unlock the cheat code again.
I was faced in the growth, and part of it is because I've seen Maus come out of the gate extremely strong.
They were able to win PGL Velokia Season 6, which already built up expectations.
they had placed top four at Blastland 4, but those were all in the tail end of 2025.
As 2026 has rolled around, some of the shine has come off this team.
I think that usually happens when you are kind of a new team, you come in, I mean, it's been
talked about a million times, but the honeymoon phase, everything's just clicking, and then
at some point you start kind of getting into your issues a bit more, because usually during
the honeymoon you just ignore it.
It's not that there aren't problems or you can't see them, you just don't really want
to get into it, because you kind of like everyone, and it's not, it hasn't built up yet.
know the frustrations haven't built up yet. And then at some point they decide, you know what, it's
time for us to actually become a real team. And during that period is when you start dealing with
your issues and maybe like talking about your problems. And during that part of like that phase
where you're trying to fix issues, generally performance comes down a bit. But once you get
through it, you're back to like smooth sailing again. Where are you putting Tundra right now
than Effie? Because it's two teams that have successfully made it to group stage two, but
Expectations are always high for this Tundra team.
You'll ever catch me raiding Tundra low in any capacity, even when they're doing badly,
because they have such smart players on that team.
And I feel like the way that they play is so specific, so sometimes things get nerfed,
and they look bad for a while, but they always end up figuring out what they like to do
and how to break the game, how to just play economy better than everybody else.
So I think they're doing great this tournament.
And they have some scary heroes that you have to think about that other teams aren't really prioritizing as much, like Timbersaw for 33, for example.
That's something that they're doing more than anyone else.
So this is quite a bit of expansion that you've done on our canvas.
We have done. I don't know if we want to get a shot of this production if I can pick it up and turn it around.
There's a roof camera.
Would you like to do that? Because I think we've done.
Well, maybe with the subject matter.
matter. Can we flip that image? He's in the power of television magic. I can pick it up.
That is a bold mover. Let it dry. All right, we'll let it dry. Well, here's Nature's
Prophet. Imagine him the other way up. That's Io with the tether. Then we have little trients
down here chasing Crystal Maiden. Brilliant drawing of Crystal Maiden there. Spirit Breaker
is charging in here. Oh, I thought that was puck. Don't listen. You've just got here.
This is a lightning bolt, as you can see, Quinn did this, and this is Dawnbreaker's hammer.
She's on her way, and this is the Gleipnir effect.
I need to praise Ted, because this is his Magnum Opus, and he-
This is definitely not my Magnum Opus.
But he's done very well.
The only thing I did was the companion cube IO, because it's the easiest thing to do,
if you have no artistic talent.
It is Spirit Breaker, right, evening crew guy?
We're doing global strut.
As you can see, Vaughn Alte, Zeus Alte.
The puck is in the global here.
I can't wait to see your drawing later, right?
Yeah, I'll show you.
Yeah, you will show me.
What a piece of shit you all want to keep drawing.
I think the profit, that's not bad.
This is fantastic.
The assignment, if anyone is just now tuning in,
is night shift and day shift to have two blank canvases.
And the goal is to create a masterpiece
where we've been commissioned to paint a scene of a Dota
any dota hero, getting ganked and twitched at you at home are going to get a chance to vote on which canvas is better
Look, can I get a can I get a shot here for a second here? Let me just listen listen commit come in here one of you come in here
Don't fucking vote for sheets again. All right. They've won every single time
We've done just as much of this dumb crap as she has all right
We're having fun everyone votes for her just because she's on the evening if you're watching this in the evening
Say that there's some kind of
Plot against us and a sheaver is somehow bought votes cast dispersions whatever it takes. We've got to win this because we haven't won shit
It's embarrassing
You're you're preaching to the wrong choir right now because you're preaching to the people who are watching the morning shift
We're preaching to the Europeans that are awake right now
Whereas the North Americans in around eight hours are gonna roll up and they're gonna be like of course
I'm team sheaver because that's the shift that I watch
Yeah, but they'll have to show our painting don't just show this show us and look and don't let them make fun of it
I want them muted or I want it to be like oh we fucking lost look how much better
There's is don't let them see this until then otherwise they'll you know what I mean?
I want to see what they come up with in a vacuum
Otherwise, it's not fair. That's the other problem is they get intel on what the assignment is an inspiration because they'll watch our broadcast
And be like I mean I'm gonna I'm gonna be on that shift, and I promise you I have very inspired
Hey, and I've made that promise multiple days in a row, and I've always betrayed morning shift
shift, the evening shift. I mean, I, I scored allegiance to Sheever early on. All my morning
shifts, I'm just grieving. So, let's talk about this.
Exactly. I did the same thing. I still win until I did it. I was in.
I mean, Sheever just pays better. What can I say?
She pays better.
So, Naomi doesn't give me shit.
I've known her long to be here right now.
There's a bomb there.
Yeah.
More importantly, Aiden, do you relate to this scenario, this level two crystal maidenism?
I feel like I've been flamed a lot today. I don't know what's going on.
No!
I heard William flame me. I heard Mira flame me.
My friend told me Mira flame me. I'm just getting shot fired at me all day
When did I flame you? I said you were not like a thing
Something about me being the curse and me being the reason
No I said you were tanking me
About me, my predictions being bad. I'm just getting, I'm just getting flame, I'm getting heat from everywhere
I said you were absorbing the curse. You were shielding them from the curse
Sorry, sorry, we'll look out for you
I said you are a wonderful person and if I have hurt your feelings I'm very sorry and I'm wrong
I forgive you, Mira
But also if you're shielding them from the curse isn't that a good thing if you've absorbed it?
Perhaps the case is you have to work with us
That is that is a blessing Ted and don't you even joke about it being occurs
Okay, and for for all the bullying that we've been done doing I actually specifically avoided doing extra bullying because in my item quiz
Where I to bring up a holy locket which player do you associate most with this item? Why me?
I don't even buy a little on anymore. I stopped buying only lock in another play made one mistake
And I never bought the item again. Give me another player that I associate with holy lock. Yeah
Uh, I don't know.
SPG.
I don't even think the item was in the game.
SPG.
You need to associate it with Jules.
Kyle.
There we go.
But that was just one time.
Doesn't matter.
One time is enough.
Aiden, if we take it too far, just say the word.
I'll become your lawyer.
No, it's all good.
I will point my guns in this direction.
It's all good.
Just remind us that we haven't won a TI.
That's what you should be doing.
Don't worry, I'll come wearing the ring next few days.
Yes, you do.
And I'll just scratch your face whenever.
Like a ring of time, which is funny.
You really should do that.
That would be funny.
Can you travel with it?
Oh, it's in my jacket pocket.
I have it with me all the time.
In case I need to win an argument at some point.
If Quinn says something, I'll just pull it out.
We'll stick to your expertise then,
because we can actually take a look at the matchup,
because these two faced off during group stage one.
And it was a 1-1 split between the two,
So we need to break that tie in this the best of three series
This is game one and the tundra handedly won this one. I mean, I think it's quite interesting
I think for as long as tundra has been like when they were really really dominant even then they were dropping games to mouse
So there seems to be like a stylistic thing here where mouths kind of are a good matchup against tundra
There's a fact tundra generally speaking
They're like a very stable team and they have a good matchup against most teams, but they seem to have some
Some struggles against specific teams, which in my mind is liquid, and Miles is kind of
like growing into that.
I wouldn't say they're quite there yet, but I would imagine if you're Miles and you have
to pick between like some of the best teams in the world, this is one of the teams you
would pick to play against.
The return of mid-1 is something I did not have on my 20-26 calendar.
So I almost feel like no one kind of opened the floodgates, and I was like, yo, we can
still, we can still cook people there, and mid-1 comes back, and I have also been shocked
It is resurgence, you know what? I feel like it is he was standing for come down during one of the wall lock
Yes, he was and I feel like he played that tournament. He probably thought themselves these guys are all
All noobs I
How I can beat up like they're not that good
He's still got it and he's improving it for sure
although what there was the what was the idea that you and I had about like
the the old dog new tricks kind of thing and how mid one slots into that I don't
talk to you off-camera so it's thankfully on camera I don't remember this
it was I thought it was like the immediate association that we have with
certain heroes and players I remember you we were talking about on like trends
and things like that and how certain supports are better at playing and then
you were referencing yourself he was being self-deprecating as you mentioned
is a humor I see you that's kind of the kating because you played a lot of chin
to you it's an old dog but my chin loses holy lock it sometimes and loses a lot
of games sometimes I feel like we bullied him and now he's yeah I'm the
holy lock it guy no I'm the gyro guy I'm the gyro guy I'm the last in the
predictions guy. I got a lot of things going for me right now.
Listen, we're nothing next for last. Okay, so I'll probably lose today and you'll be
up there, don't worry about it. I actually feel really bad. You're the TI winner, guy.
Do you know what I also got mocked for yesterday? So we have to do our predictions.
No. And, Cinder, I was, so this is what actually happened. I went to like fill out my predictions
and the first series of the day was liquid versus extreme. I put in liquid and then my
girlfriend came in the room and started distracting me. So I couldn't fill out the rest of the
form and then by the time I got back to like see my whatsapp, Cinder and I had taken a
print screen of me only predicting liquid as a win and not giving a shit about the rest
of the team.
And I was being mocked for that answer me too so.
You can't mock by Cinder and that's the dog.
As of today I'm your dream league lawyer.
Thank you.
And any complaints or bullying directed towards my client will be addressed by me.
And if you speak to my client without my presence, in a bad way, you shall be legally responsible
for that.
I'll send a notarized letter, telling him how much he sucks next time.
Miles vs. Tundra, the draft is coming to you soon.
I can't wait.
Aiden, my best friend, are you all so excited?
I've never been more excited to see Miles playing in Tundra than I am right now.
But what if I told you there were also 105 points on the line?
I'm slightly less excited. That's what I'm saying
Unfortunately, there are no immediate points on the line because we still got to get through the entire round robin in this group's issue
It's just day one
It's like a whole week of Dota 4 best of threes every single day coming to you live on your screens
Game number one and tundra they ban up the huskar the Chen and the razor mouse
They take out tiny bat rider shadow fiend and the tree and protector tundra first victim cells of the east master
GG. Into, into, Net of Beastmaster.
It's that dominant.
Net of Beastmaster. How can you win?
Yeah, not the hero, but the hero player pairing is that dominant.
No, not really. But, um, it's interesting to me,
because I feel like for about like two weeks out of the past 17 years,
Beastmaster was like not picked.
And now he's like back.
First pick, Beastmaster has returned to the board.
What about his mid lane agatom step tour, the Unlimited X?
That's what I'm saying.
Like, he's, this hero's just been broken for 17 years.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, if you go to my Dota 2 profile, I just have a picture of Beastmaster as my entire profile picture.
Cause, also Snaver asked me at some point, like,
what hero should I play in the meta that's like kinda good?
I just told him, just play Beast, and don't worry about it.
Hero's always amazing.
It'll be good at some point, no matter what.
Yeah, should learn this hero.
Every time I play him, I have loads of fun, but he is quite fiddly if you're not good with micro, but...
They've taken out a lot of his micro.
Yeah, they have.
You don't even need to buy an Overlord as much anymore.
The hawk just does its thing.
Not a good hero, man.
No.
It doesn't want to be funny, because we've seen a lot of bait picks today, obviously they didn't work.
But what if they pick this Beastmaster, and then Maz is like, okay, this is 33 Beastmaster,
and then when you're not expecting it, mid Beastmaster into offline Largo, with no Largo counters,
you gotta watch out for that, because Largo has not been addressed in the banding stage of either team.
I mean, BZM Beastmaster is also very good.
Like, Neda Beast is like, it has like plus 5 base damage compared to all of the Beastmasters.
So it feels.
But BZM is like plus 1, you know what I mean?
It's also very, very strong.
Also are you that eager to flex, because can you do a floor position largo to fulfill the
idea of the Dispel?
Or do you specifically want it in the...
I think Barren Band now, you gotta keep it in mind for sure.
RIP.
Yeah.
This is very aware, I think, with Warlock, you're kind of trying to address Beastmaster
and the Offlane, and when you do that, you also have to respect the fact that most likely
Thunder now, since they know this is, Warlock is an above average matchup against Beast.
Thunder might look to flex the Beast to mid, so now you have to ban Offlane options to
try to force Thunder into keeping that matchup a reality for you.
And they get their full support duo, Shoudemon is the next pick for Maus and Tundra get Phoenix.
I always feel some kind of way when I see teams pick like, you first like you go on your 9th pick, you pick a sub, and then on your 13th pick you also pick a sub.
To me it kind of signals like some degree of weakness and that we don't really have core heroes that we believe in, that we are willing to just put out there and be like, hey deal with this.
And though Shadow Demon is a great hero and Warlock is too, it just to me, it's something about it seems like always a little bit suspicious.
Yeah, it looks like the ones that have been coming out early for mouse are things like the SF if it's left in the draft.
And for other teams, things like Kez come out pretty comfortably when they see an off-leader.
But you are right that it's odd. Maybe it would be Razor if it's not Primaband versus every single mouse game.
Yeah. I mean, if I could see them pick Dragonite in that position too,
I just feel like the way the fans look right now, I would say Tundra kind of has a little bit of an easier time taking their heroes.
Because now Miles has to come up with a double core pick.
And I feel like their situation isn't really made that much easier by seeing Caudal and Phoenix.
Like, it's not like, they gain so much information here, and they're making a much stronger educated guess.
Um, production. This is a weird one.
But can you get a picture of King Charles I of England,
and put him next to Chrystellus?
because they are fucking the same person.
King Charles I of England,
King during the English Civil War, and Kristallis,
I'm not kidding, they could be the same fucking guy.
They're on it.
That's ridiculous.
Is this a vampire theory?
Kristallis, having been executed by the round heads
at the end of the English Civil War,
then decided to go into hiding and buy his time
time until you can come back as a professional Dota player and get kicked routinely for peace.
The legacy lives on. A modern day execution.
Karmic. Karmic Justice.
Karmic Justice.
Right, King Charles.
Well...
Not for Crystal.
If Crystal doesn't deserve it, I'd rather break it.
That's accurate. That's as much commerce you need, I think.
Then like now.
Now you've actually, we're gonna bring you back and punish you again!
You're gonna get kicked from every team unjustly, so...
We're going.
So Kaz does come out, but it comes out after seeing the double support pick which is definitely a less
Confident to Kaz pick and it's not something we've seen Crystal's play
But I'm willing to bet but at this point every reader has been practicing Kaz and he
Probably should have a good understanding of it. I didn't really catch most of the games at last head. Do you remember seeing any?
Kaz crystal is games. I don't remember. I did I have not seen mouse actually enough and in some time
I don't think I saw them at all at last either because we were there just for the last few days
Yeah, but I didn't think I was I saw those games
I definitely didn't see any of them
Look, it's a very slow pan up to...
Okay now show King Charles
Show King Charles
Now show King Charles first
In the meanwhile, if your theory is correct, this will be Chris Lewis' first competitive
game on coast
Oh my god, it's Crystalist or James Charles. I can't tell the difference.
I'm excited to see how much he's practiced this hero because it's something that you do want in your arsenal.
Because what Aiden was talking about, about being too early to pick a hero, you need more than just the Razor and SF so that you can first pick as your first core.
But it looks honestly pretty good just because you look at these two supports, Phoenix plus Caudal.
And the first thing you think of is how do I take advantage of these squishy supports with no stuns?
The hero to me that usually comes to mind is like an ember spirit just chasing them down and making their lives
Held but Kev's in theory does the same thing
Though it's going to be what is tundra doing here then is it's mid-beast. It's mid-beast
I think it's a white mom Phoenix and a
RV codle
Together with the tide of three so we're gonna I feel it for for tundra
they're very much setting up the wall. I feel like whenever you pick like Pied Beast, Caudal,
this is like we're gonna play our side of the map, we're gonna stack, we're gonna get a lot of items,
and we're gonna hit our timings, and we're gonna play the economy game. Which, surprise, surprise,
is what Thunder loves to do. So what you're saying is it's gonna be a long series? Not necessarily,
because mouse, they kind of are very much of a temple team. They will always look to set the pace,
and they will look to invade these plays, and you have to look at like how well can mouse achieve
So we got Kes Warlock, which I think are quite strong if they get off to a good start
They have stampede from across the map and they're gonna have shadow demon that's able to connect
So it's gonna come down to can mid one find a mid matchup that works against beast because beast is quite a tricky hero
on a pick and
How are they able to translate those advantages from the early game into invading stacks and attacking
Thunderside
That's a good question because Tundra's draft is very good at defending high grounds and defending stacks.
You have this Pied Hunter who flees in the triangle and you're walking into a ravage.
That's not easy. You have this Cato who's going to be illuminating and healing and you have that area control of Phoenix later on.
Tundra are not an easy team to run into.
For sure. And I would say the only drawback that the Tundra heroes do have is that they are quite reliant on items and deal damage.
damage. None of these heroes inherently deal a lot of damage just with their spells. You
have Caudal Blast, but it's not really consistently going to hit. Titanthir in and of itself just
has kind of low damage spells, and Beastmaster needs to get the access going, and a lot of
his damage comes from the Agadams. So if they can abuse that advantage in the early game,
Miles has a quite clear opening into invading the Triangle.
I will open the possibility that it is a pure Beastmaster because he has played it already
and dream league and he played it in blast as well and now suspected as well
because they ban out a mid invoker or a carry gyrocopter that would be a cool
flex especially if they had the overall last pick and it is cool that is really
cool how does it play out though versus some tour online I think it's fine I
think beast if anything has a split advantage but it's nothing major but I
really like them I love the idea of not having so one of the downsides to
beast and Tide is that they're both kind of low impact heroes. They both just kind of want to hit creeps.
They don't really want to do anything until they get their first round of items. And now they've
strengthened up their triangle position. So if you think about the Dota map,
they've put the two weak heroes on each side, and now they have an Ember in the middle
that's going to help protect their triangle stacks,
help protect their own jungles, and they have something to play around that's a bit more active in the early game.
And I think this makes their drafts a lot more well-rounded and it gives them a much more clear way to progress the game
than if they would have picked the carry hero, which almost always, even if it's a fast carry
hero, is it a lot slower than a fast mid hero?
And on top of that, they would have been taking away potentially very good pick for mouse as well,
who are in a position right now, or they're limited in their options.
Because the point that I was making about Tundra's supports not really being able to defend themselves
from something like an Umber, this same thing applies to the mouse supports.
Outside of Sampeed, and if Thaddubin has to disrupt himself, that's not ideal,
It could get scary for them too.
We'll see how mid one chooses to patch that up, can't do Huskar, can't do Invoker, can't
do Puck.
There's Ola's Void Spirit.
You're out of time.
Break up.
A lot of really good bands, like Huskar's out, DK's out, Viper's out, like the really
hard counters SF was out are kind of gone, so getting an Ember pick, like not last pick
Ember and knowing that you're going to be in a very decent matchup is quite rare.
So, yeah, just very smart drafting from Tundra.
I feel like they really set up this whole draft very nicely to get themselves in a position
that they're very comfortable with.
I think that Maz's draft has a lot of potential too.
There's a lot of things that they can do.
The big question mark is, Chris and Liss's debut Kes game in the competitive scene, what
is it going to look like?
Because if it's good, there's a lot of potential for him to just play really high tempo with
the Storm Spirit from mid.
Storm Spirit is not playing against that much lockdown, and Thunder Art cool-down dependent.
They have big spells without gravages and supernovas, which are hard to run into, but
if those are off cool-down, Mows can easily take control of the map.
So it's going to be a question mark of, do you got this, Chrysalis?
We'll see.
At least in the downtime, I see now a lot more value for the caudal pick as well, because
the idea was to set up a wall, and part of the wall will be flight of fist constantly,
Chocomagic plus that is gonna push the wall back even further now. Do you know what the best defenses a strong offense exactly?
Ember coddle they are gonna be running and creating pressure so the other heroes can farm if that were true
Why'd we build all those castles?
But you have when was the last time the castles do you not say we did a lot of wars back then only recently
We decided castles are not the play so Nick is with two gunpowder and cannons the best defense is a good offense
Not true for thousands of years castles
What about moats?
What about?
Mott & Bailey, a keep, a dr- a do- citadel.
What? Towers of the archers. Towers of the archers.
Where do they live?
In a castle. In a castle.
I have my recipe case.
So it has towers.
And you- you're supposed to defend them.
You are.
Actually towers and dota don't defend you. You defend them.
I said there's something wrong there.
If you said the best offense is overwhelming technological advantage, I would be with you!
Yep.
Defense of the Ancients, that's the game that we're playing and it's the game that you're about to watch with 10.
Let's beat shit.
Not only is it Crystalis' debut on Kez, he has only played 22 pubs of it and hasn't
played it in over a year.
Hey Ray, if you could believe that.
Sounds like you have spurs in somewhere.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Pro players don't have spurs anymore.
Right.
Yeah.
Exactly how practice Crystalis is on Kez, I guess we'll never know.
Rackus is the image on a ranged hero.
Well that one we do kind of.
Every time he plays a ranged hero the game goes pretty bad and they pick up Tuss next game.
So some question marks here.
I was trapped. They do have the mid one storm which went mega ham yesterday.
Dropped like 17 kills in that one.
So is that why they went back to it?
Do you feel like it was just comfort because there was this problem, right?
Tundra actually disguised what their mid was going to be pretty well with this Beastmaster pick up
Maybe the assumption was it was mid they banned a bunch of heroes that Beastmaster would presumably lose to
Huskar, Viper, etc. And then all of a sudden surprise. It's a different
mid melee hero with Sambersky
I think it was more just what mid one wants to play you owned with yesterday
There's not a lot of early stunts for the hero in this one. You should get off to a pretty good start
And to hear they can jump the back line which is super strong for Tundra here in Caudal Phoenix because they picked three stun front-layers
If they can protect the supports they can do a lot of work over the course of a long fight
But if you get jumped by stormy, you're just killed
How good is this trio of protecting those supports against like BKB storm here? Not very good
So I kind of like to pick in that sense lane setups
Looks pretty strong for miles across the board.
Keds should win this lane, absolutely against the tide.
You're just sitting food, especially with Keeper, not doing much for you earlier.
You're just gonna stack, play the 33 economy game.
Mid one should win mid here.
And Centaur, you should do fine against carry Beastmaster.
I can see this lane be kind of strong for Tundra, but you have disruption.
Centaur has high regen.
You should be chill.
I think the landing stage looks pretty strong for miles across the board, getting across the top too.
Put the damage in a white line.
33's back on his bullshit.
Yeah, he's going, uh, he went early ring into the tranquil boots and he's gonna be doing the disassembling trick again.
Why not?
I mean, honestly, boxy 33.
Those guys are actually made for each other in some ways.
Maybe we'll play again again or something, you know? Never know.
Worked out pretty well the first time.
Well, it does leave RE trying to do weird pulling shenanigans.
That's pretty hard to do against more mobile carries. Monkey King's pretty difficult.
I would say Kez is maybe just a step below Monkey King in that regard.
33 not gonna be happy about all the extra gold going into this kez right now.
As he's gonna struggle to stay on this lane if the keepers off
Can't really do anything in the one-two the lane gets pushed up even deeper
It also means there's not facts being built up
Which were blocked out?
Yes
I mean if any hero can deal with kez like as soon as because of the early pollmate everything that they did
I can see it being tight winner right because of the blubber getting rid of the Kazarai katana
You can stand him, Lane, but you're not.
I think level 3 to 5, he gets the top.
Kev's just overwhelming with damage. He just chases me down forever.
Yeah, but I think he's just gonna go back and forth.
He takes the damage, he walks away, blubbers off some of the damage, activates his tranquilizer.
Gids will health, comes in for the way.
I can see him just kinda doing this on repeat and getting decent CS.
I'm sure he'll find something.
It's not seven in eyes already too, so don't early wait, pulling, doing some work.
Not looking too bad for him.
Double the CS mid almost, 21 and five.
There's that 13 and one.
Mid one puttin' work in on this matchup.
He's crushing him, man.
PCM, feels like he can't even stick around to contest for the water room, so he goes through the other one.
Probably BT, S-U-C-S.
Boom! He didn't have a Lotus, had a little bit to work with, tries to chop down Whitemon, and does manage to get that kill...
...before he eventually goes down.
It's kind of worth it though, because the Beast got all the soul exp.
Yeah, that's kind of what you want on this thing.
So yeah, boom, get to kill first, but you're happier in terms of the overall outcome for the Beastmaster relative to the Centaur, which is, you know, your end goal is to support here.
I don't mind that trait for Leibnand.
It did cost him a decent bit, but now he can bring items for Pure as well.
So he gets to fairy out, full belt, plus boots.
Beastmaster is kind of rocking it up here with some net worth early on and take the lead.
lead. So I'll start for Pure who does look pretty good on this hero. Double offlane meh for Tundra.
Surprise teams haven't done this over the last two or three years.
Especially in some of the patches where people are complaining a lot of the traditional haji
carries are just terrible. If offlaners are so strong, I'll just play with two of them.
The damage is definitely going to be run down here, tries to activate the Blood Grenade on Pure in order to get the kill, but Pear's tanking enough to survive.
It's still a double fairy fire. They're just waiting for it to be 3 now.
The more heroes you bring up here, the better it's going to go for time to apparently, though he's getting beat up by those neutral creeps.
You can also see the trend whenever it comes to, I feel like 33 teams like 33 find something and he wants the entire team to employ.
In this case, we saw tranquil boots being used on multiple members of Tundra, but we're also seeing a lot of half-pulling.
Right, when they did the pull shenanigans, they made sure to get the half-pull behind the tower, which is how 33 got so many designs in the first place.
Seeing little half-pulls out of the easy camp there.
6 minute power rune, hoping, praying it's bottom and BZM is blessed in our cane rune for the
struggling Ember spirit.
Kind of what Tundra wondering how is all the attention fixed on me, where this Ember is
is a very tough hero for Maus to interact with in this game early on. Their supports
do not do anything to him. No stuns, very little damage. Just if Storm somehow soul
kills him, which is very unlikely here. Yeah. If all the attention's going to mid, it means
the beasts and the hider are getting solo XP. They're not getting forced off the lane.
Maus will go in and steal some neutral stacks. That's a little something going their way.
Can they throw 33 here though? It looks incredible.
Like nice, full health. Look at him, he puts together phase boots.
He's gotten the use out of the tranquil boots, gotten through the landing phase.
Now he needs to stand on this wisdom shrine. Disruption is going to make it so they steal it away from him anyway.
Let's see if Hunter can get some punish out of this. He should be able to get...
Zoro kills out of it. Okay, you get nothing. You have no stuns between this trio.
trio? They did get the other shrine though. They did. So it's not the worst trade for them.
Kind of surprised they didn't contest that faster. I was like,
I don't know if uh, Mal should have gotten away with that one there. Well, I think it was probably
because they were getting it on Navy's side, right? It's not like you're fighting the tide there.
Your Kess is pretty low level. 33 is out low to the heart. They do not force this kite off the
lane because Rolex pretty bad at it. Now he has a mega wave on his tower because of all that creep
pulling earlier. This is triple range creep flag bear hitting two on bottom. Has to be a response
here from us. This is a tremendous amount of XP you Christals will miss if you cannot see us.
And your tower is just taking a B. You're walking into potential ravage range though. Celery,
he tries to pull, it gets the triple ranged. Now Yamich, he gets the other half of the creep wave.
Together, combined efforts here.
They get the creeps off the tower, but most of the damage is already done.
33 will finish it off here.
That's the perfect lane manipulation from 33.
He spent almost the whole lane not fighting to Kez, and then he just builds up this triple
lane, which is it straight into the tower with the level advantage.
Kez does not want to fight the Ravage right now, not even level 6.
This is the fourth to him. So you have numbers that manage to push him off the tower, and that's just a free tier one.
That is a perfect example of how to play a lane from a mechanics standpoint that is hero-independent.
He could have done this with any hero, and it would have generally worked.
To me, that's what separates him from a lot of other offlaners. His understanding of general situations is extremely good, almost independent of what he's playing.
and then his mastery of his hero pool is also extremely good, so when you combine those two,
it's like not only is he making the right decision in the general moment, he's making the right decision
on top of the general moment for his specific hero, and then you're just a good player.
You combine all that, it's pretty hard to argue with what he does.
I think most of the time all players are way more skewed into one of those categories.
Like you're either a hero specialist, but sometimes your your ideas your macro your mechanics lack a little because you're just such a hero specialist
Or you're such a generalist that it's like what is this guy known for? Well, he's just kind of a good player, but he's not really known for anything crazy
Ravens fail we'll get crystal is out of that situation
Nice and easy, but it doesn't stop the fact that
tundra
Walk it away from this landing face
I think, uh, pretty happy.
I don't chill at Beast as farming ancients.
Tide's free farming to lane, and all the attention's going into the ember who has the support backup.
It's really just BZM who is the one struggling here, needs some help, and he'll be bursted down.
Where were the rents?
He hit one in the river.
Just never jumped to anything? Had no shield?
Midwan with his haste rune continues.
And he is just devastating, Tundra. All of a sudden, this is just a terrible situation for Tundra.
That haste reduced work.
There's no pressure point for Malz with that power rune.
Storm has almost complete premobility this game, though the Emberks still have that remnant in the river.
He's got a backup trainer. Attack those supports, does not get him, they'll get the golem out of the situation, so pressure is relieved on the tower at least.
33 did not want to TP into mid-use, which defends me like that though.
So, Mal's got a decent reaction out of him.
Not slowing down this Beastmaster at all, but you gotta pick your points here in the early game.
Could maybe TP out smoke to him with this storm now. That's kind of your last opportunity to make a play-up here in this early game
It's tempting to try and slow
33 is gracious as he is
Allow DCM to take part in this ancient snack and leave and leave him to the biggest creeps the juiciest
Primus choice
They'll make that smokey kick against the beasts.
This is a nice move to land it.
Sure, not having any mana right now, he's got stick charges.
He can turn around his roar, gets grabbed as he tries to turn around,
BCM to the rescue, and that is enough.
He pushes them off the pier, and not that I think he was really in that much danger anyway.
I see him again, he's tied up here, so it's under half the flight to town.
33's just getting pummeled right now.
With Adonity Ravage, really all he is is a punchy bag.
Stampy goes out, mouths her unsure of what they're doing here.
Are they going into Tundra or not?
Hard to make that call, I guess, with the potential Phoenix egg?
They don't know it, but he actually went 1, 2, 3. No egg.
That egg's a trash spell, as Quinn said.
I guess I don't seem to know it.
Surprise Tundra reactions. Usually they're not a team that reacts to these kind of plays.
It's not like Maus are getting a lot out of the reaction, but they're getting towers and
they're wasting a bunch of this tides time. I think it's about the matchup. I think Extreme
tried to react to Liquid. Maus, I think, is a similar type of team. After the laning phase,
I think I want to respond with as many heroes as possible whenever they make a move.
Now, maybe they're overreacting to it, but I do kind of feel like that's just...
That was the game plan drawn up from the start.
Yeah, that's fine. You guaranteed your beast game here.
That's Ag's done for Pure, uh, incredibly good time.
So that's all you really need here.
Now you're just kind of grouping up mid.
Vlad's is done.
Not Rageback, but beggars can't be choosers.
33 will do his best cosplay impression of this. Do you have victory well if you do combine blades with
Beastmaster ag drum aura that's basically right combined with sun
I feel like every single like about half of tundra games. You're kind of like just making some sort of version
It's a good point
33 has the rabbit here mid one trying to get him to use it
Not blowing too much, but Yamich is going to get caught from behind by BCM.
Zip for the regen room! Ooh, regen room!
Now that's a room that Malus might still want to fight for, just by losing their Shadow Demon.
Mid-wan jumping all around.
More damage being thrown at 33, 33, refusing to use that Ravage.
No point throwing it out unless you can chain the chains on top of it.
Those are your only stuns here, so...
It's all mostly just a B.
One, two, and four. Man, white one really committed to it.
They're just an ocean.
A little closer to the timer, but this is way faster than I thought it would be.
Just strength of the aggies.
Chakra magic on top.
This is definitely not a move, Moussa.
Expected at all.
Crazy.
14-50. Roshan.
That was very decisive. Very fast.
of their lineup. Ember just running interference mid. Once Vessel charges for PZM off that
kill, I'm trying to bring down another golem before expires plus 100.
A little concern for Maus' anti-healing. There's a lot of heal from this Phoenix couple going
behind these big boys on the front line. You don't really have any anti-healing in your lineup.
You can maybe get Ashivas on Centaur or Storm, but you have no real Scotty Viper, no Vessel
Viper in this lineup.
There's a little sad there, you know, like, these are really tanky.
What do you think about the very fast Lotus Rush?
How the Dom no boots straight to lows.
Pretty good Lotus game against the Beastroar, the chains that are one of their only strengths.
disables, debuff all the spirit, all the fire spirits, there's a good load of smoke on him.
It'll be nice for Storm going in, like he has changed you load of stamina.
You're really not worried about a lot, though he does get eventually found here.
I feel like that was gonna happen once in this early game, sure.
Like you get changed into the ravage.
Primarily the only way he dies, but as long as you catch him once or twice you're gonna feel great about it.
It does feel like between the Aegis and Galakabin to heal you were talking about.
It's not like Miles can really take advantage of the Ravage being on cooldown.
Nah, it's tough.
You can even potentially buy early Tideshow in this game if you really want to punish the Storm a little more.
Like, if you think the Storm is not going to go in early Vee-Givvy or anything.
It's dead and the Water could come into play.
There's the Deso for the Kess. This is kind of the time for Miles to strike.
you have your Lotus, on the Centaur you have your Desmukhaz, you really want to get a fight going right.
Got a silence on the Phoenix, and the Phoenix is going to die.
He was really far up.
Yeah, that was a little bit curious, and of course now they have the numbers advantage, they're feeling good about this situation.
No Ravage, no Phoenix, go for it, they've taken out Pure underneath the Tier 2.
Chrysler is now activating the Raptor Dance, putting some damage on the 33,
Golden's going to be dropped on the two of them, but stop over that one.
Pure is going to die again without getting much damage out at all.
What was that?
I would say a rare slip-up from Whitemon.
I would agree. He is super far behind this tower.
On the last hero you went going down early in this fight.
Did they think that Mal's weren't going to fight?
Like, he was getting a ward down?
I think he just caught off guard, yeah.
Like, I think he just wanted to get the ward out to set up for this fight,
but Mal's were there faster than he anticipated.
It's just kind of a disaster because yeah, you get the world warlock that's great
But there's disruption to counter you you can never kind of go for these solo kills on a set of formation
And you have no ravage to pay you out of that
Play like this just melted
Go on shatter demon first damage
That calls yeah, I was just that's like that's the same expression ass. What the hell is that?
I like to use some desktops charges to chrysalis, but now he's trying to flee for his life here in teleport away
and he is not gonna make a flight chain, stops him in time, DCM.
A lot of poisons to that, so I don't know if that should kill him.
It does not lie.
A 12-1 poison to that lie is no shot of killing him.
Maybe it's a bluff.
I'll see what this Poison 6 out does.
You're getting some work done mid?
You're going to be like, roaring warlock.
You're going to ravage John mid-1-2.
He didn't have much mana to work with.
I think he didn't have to ravage him because he was out of mana.
You can't really argue with it.
If you get ravaged first form this game, you take it every time.
I don't know what just happened.
They just got team wiped across the map.
That's what just happened.
crumbling here. Tundra is somehow stronger with... without an ace. It is quite unexpected that
Tundra would be finding the most openings they are in this game by not grouping up.
When you look at this lineup, like very obvious when they group up, okay, you see it all come
together, like maybe the five-on-fives are tough, but Mausoleum have won the five-on-five,
and they're losing the war across the map. Not what you would have expected with like this
storm keselino that can pick people off and have the better range of initiation.
Definitely a peculiar game in that sense. Time to do Tormentor.
Here and Waiman are gonna head through the gate. We'll see Maus also trying to do a test.
I can still do this deser kesel once the fight wants to get some stuff done right now.
Boom is also exceptionally tanky. He's got an essence ring and he also has a great healing
lotus. So he's got 2200 HP, then you add another 400 for the heal for the healing lotus, another 240
off of the essence ring. He's almost 3000 HP at 20 minutes.
Solid resistance is early as well. He already has cloak plus armor for the lotus orb, so
So, he's already up to 50% resist across the board.
That's a lot of HP to get through.
If the beast gets to sit there and bang on him,
yeah, you'll bring it down,
but this is not the target the beast wants to go on.
So, you're probably in a situation where you know as boom,
I am not a target.
If I just go in aggressively, cause some chaos,
maybe tank some spells,
that's max value for my lineup.
Create space for the kez to go in
and be your pure damage dealer.
He didn't throw the disseminate on this guy when he was...
Yeah, let's just think about that.
But if I'm Tundra, I'm also trying to ignore him as much as possible.
Find the supports, bring the Kez down, land a couple of my stuns or chains on the storm.
That's what a successful fight looks like.
And the Wraith Pact is online.
Hype, Vlad's done.
It's a homemade Wraith Pact.
Tundra aren't here in force.
Oh, he found mid one!
What?
That is really good!
Mows here.
They can't take this fight anymore.
33 noses at 2, even without the ravage he's chasing after him.
Still is VZM, got the chainsaw under 2. Immediately gonna be cleansed off though.
Nice quick reaction. They get back safely. It should allow Tundra.
Just go back to take the Tormenter.
Great solo kill.
What's the power of this hero, man?
Damage scales up so fast in early game.
So, what they both thought they were going to be able to get through gate,
and Whitemon, he was just sitting there on the high ground,
mid one walked into him.
No, Pure just went back through the gate.
Oh!
There's been one who wanted to get through the gate to go up there.
They just killed him.
I think you saw him on these wards that are all around this bottom area of the map.
Yeah.
What a read.
Yeah, he's gonna have BKB.
Well, he is... he's JAL untouchable.
Yeah, he is straight JAL.
He's a problem for Mouserang.
But this early BKB, you have nothing to put into it.
I guess you have demonic purge plus kez damage.
I guess that's really needs BKB, it's just gonna have to be mouse, splitting the map,
ratting, which isn't really what you think of, no, it comes to mouse games like, man,
look at that something, I'm telling you man, hotspot does.
Oh, I'm fully behind this build.
When you get it cooking, it's a lot of damage, there's a lot of damage.
heroes. Oh, he's just destroying them down here. The wards never got killed. Oh, I got
him on the anchor, but you can't stop him going through the gate. He's going to kill
it. And he's going to get his hit away. He's fine. But you're still forced to storm off
the map. Yeah, it is a kill. There's no galvanized actually built through this game. There's
no snowball happening. Pure has just controlled this bottom half of the radiant jungle. And
You look at how many sentries went down there from the higher as well. It's insane.
They had a very clear idea of where this case needed to form. They punished it very hard.
We do love watching Cure on, like, off meta carries.
That's where he shines.
He's his Dawnbreaker.
Beastmaster now.
That's where he's always shining, I'd be honest.
Even when he made his appearance in this video, it was like...
Carry Lash, carry OD, carry Pudge.
Oh, yes, carry Pudge.
something about it on this in your heroes just go there nobody wants to see
you like pure terribly please no
they hunted right now mid one like chains the Sunray burning him away better
hope that's not a pause for mid one I think he's fine here though yeah I mean
he's fine as long as he's not the one lagging there's no follow up stun unless
he like just low and jumps in to 33 or something which I guess could happen
he's chilling his TP is on cooldown so he's gonna zip away as long as he
doesn't as you said zip and uh yes thank you Zynder
Zynder does have the best reactions
Hello?
Hey, there we go.
Into the hands of an angel, boomstack.
Oh, he just brought them!
Oh, dang.
The whole Tundra Squad just followed mid-1 directly into Celery.
Look at the damage.
Look at the damage
He just almost solo killed him with the hotspot. He's on something. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah
1800 damage this is the Phoenix that I've been wanting to see this is the real Phoenix old
It's sunray with hotspot. Yeah, it is. That's why do you really understand like I don't explain this here
But they're all going this dying light and they're not even farming with it. I was just mega confused if you take that
You take that facet you're farming
out of control with it or something, I kind of understand, but if you're just playing
up back like Phoenix and you want to have more impact in the fight, to me this is the
damage build, the premier damage follow-up build. Now not every game is a game you're
looking for damage follow-up from the Phoenix, but if you're in a game like this where you
have two off-laners, three front-liners, all with some stuns, your role is damage follow-up,
right? This build makes perfect sense to me.
No, I think it's a lineup that sets Phoenix up for success, which is pretty cool to see.
Yep.
Like chains, roar, ravage, and deathwater all really good to combo with Sunray.
And they have BKB stun with the beast.
Do you want to just like BKB run at this hero, which sometimes he suffers against?
Sure.
I agree, they're just running the map right now.
Mal's struggling to find a kill connection anywhere.
And boom, it's desperately trying to like, guys, hit me!
The sad part is, is tanky as he is, that sunray burns him up, where the rest of Tungra really can't.
Oh, pure shit. He fights me when I den. Zip, zip, zip!
Oh, got him on the den in the water!
The disruption goes out, but the anchor's still going to be there, and I don't think there's a way to solve that.
Nobody can kill the anchor for him.
Just stay abused.
Don't have to roar, don't have to ravage. Now the ravage ready to go. One second.
33, while they lead off the roar, got the Shadow Demon at that one.
Supernova's gonna be used here on the side.
Now the damage goes through.
Perfect time to hit boom, hit cast,
Chrysalis has to pump his VKB and run away.
He may still die here.
Gets a crack on the clock.
Lyra nicely played.
Yeah, go kill the white man with it.
God, he dove into it.
That's fine.
It's like you dive into the Katana execution.
Take me instead.
Radiant are scanning.
Did a lot of damage to him
Well now let's get something out of that
Still not pretty those storm going down again. He's not a three galvanized that
Well, I will say mouths are
Very far behind
Now looking great for them, but I do think crystal is the test
Looks fine you're back in a spot on easy and oh
For the silence that is unfortunate because of the silence
There was a chance.
Look at Pure, he's flanking right now. He wants the SD. Got the dead water on the Chatterty.
He's up on the high ground though. Not sure how much Tundra really want to chase after that.
The Coddle. Sunray burn going out. Will not be able to keep the Coddle alive, but he is doing a lot of damage.
They've already killed Celery and Boom is almost dead as well. Crystal's still going to chase after White Mundo.
Hits him with the silence, combined with mid one. They're going to hunt down this Phoenix and finally do kill him.
Now they just gotta run away though, because the cores are too tough to handle as seen from Pure once again!
Solo's mid one and walks away as the final drum beat plays out his execute.
I like Mao's going for the supports here, I think that is the correct call.
Maybe he's planning to prioritize it earlier on, because if you take that out you remove a lot of sustain and damage from the fight.
Just too little too late, this beast is completely out of control.
He just planks that entire fight solo.
Has his choice of who to roar against to hold it the whole time.
He's just so overleveled, so overpowering.
You can cure it. He's like,
hmm, who do I want here?
I could just roar and kill the image, but...
Nah, that is too easy. I'm just gonna hold it the entire time and just walk him down.
You really did.
You know, it's like, yeah, you're killing the backline here. You get wiped, Mon. No...
No real egg pressure in this fight.
It's looking okay, but the beast is just...
You just do a beast thing, just slaughtering you.
It doesn't even finish him here.
That is badass.
You might find him again.
Oh my god.
He found him again.
Found him again.
Brother.
Alright, well, apparently...
Brother.
The matchup was not about mid-one versus BGM.
It's not pure versus mid-one.
I don't think we're going to see him on this heroine. This was a disgusting performance.
Vintage pure right here. Look at the networked explosion. Doubling him up.
Mid one is just pure as might as the lead.
Oh man.
Pure, confident as always with the daisies in hand, his hidden buildings.
Doesn't even feel like he needs much to see.
He's the whole 24.
What the hell is XPM?
1080.
That was an 80 experience.
Oh, shit.
Wow.
What the hell is that?
He has a swift blink.
What in the...
I can't get him down.
What?
Is it doing again, dude?
Stop!
Just stop, man.
Oh
24 and a half here is such a monster with ease on
He's like one of the scariest carries
And we's not on
Gary for something
I guess that's true, like, he is always one of the scariest carries in the world.
He's either scary for them or scary for you.
But he's scary, one way or another.
That is undeniable.
Oh yeah, he was scary at the odd.
No one else was scared of him.
They were scared of him.
I just want to see him get 25.
Yeah, that's the same. His XP record.
Can he hit it at level 25 to close this down?
Oh yeah, he got it.
He got it!
Level 25 in 30 minutes!
He's got to be a record!
He has 1150 XP.
Oh, he's just not getting it.
Lord, that is a gus.
Gus, the number.
Tripdris, he's like, why can't you just do that every time?
Don't forget that he also had that like bad blink in on the tier 2, the game could have
been even better than some.
Yeah, that killed, he probably would have like 12 under XPF or something without that
bottom plate.
That's destruction, pure destruction right there.
I do like Tundra's draft a little better, I think it's hard for Malz to find early
kills in this game with the Ember just kind of running interference and then it comes
down to side lane execution, Centaur is not going to find a huge amount there, the one
lane that they could have maybe got more in is this Kessling, like if you can just kind
of pseudo tri-lane Kess and play through him, but they don't have the Yamach melee here
to do that.
Normally I think if they have the Pudge or Tusk, you could just go to this Kessling and
try and kill 33 a bunch, get that snowball lane and find some more momentum.
But with Shattered even Warlock, you have to play a different style, and I don't think
it smells as style.
I don't think they're comfortable with that, and it gives a lot of freedom to a team that
is extremely efficient in terms of farming up gold and using it well.
11-1 and 11 for puritatism, stat line we are not going to see for real, and over 1100
experience permitted, somebody explain to me how that is legal. All ones in the KDA carry a...
Well we got a lawyer, we got two lawyers actually on our panel, can either of you speak to the legality
of getting quadruple digit XBM on a beast master? I present that case to the court.
Exactly. Speechless. Done.
Do you have no idea what to make of such a Beastmaster performance?
Is that how powerful we are?
Yeah, it was really, really cool to see Fjord stop up.
I feel like he's had maybe not his best tournament,
and I feel like he had moments in this game that were not moments of brilliance.
There was a tier 2 dive bottom, but I feel like overall, if you look at how we played this game,
It was very well executed, and this was one of my favorite moments on this game.
We're going to take a closer look at it in slow motion later, but
him jumping the storm and just like doing the slow walk away,
understanding his damage perfectly, knowing like...
You're done.
Yeah.
SPG brought up a good point that he thinks the SD plus 4 lock aren't really a nice thing,
and we didn't look closer at their supports yesterday, but this is the first ranged 4
that Yamash has played this Dream League.
Like, this is the first time he's busted out something that isn't a melee boy.
And when you have Warlock all the time, that's fine.
Warlock fits this team very well.
Usually, Yammich is the one who fills the boxes,
but that hero provides his support with his clocks and his tusks and his punches and whatnot.
So, they did kind of stray a little bit from a formula that really works for them.
But it also just felt like they got outplayed and outpaced,
which can happen when you go up against Tundra.
It's multiple out-of-the-comfort zone things, because Yammich doing that,
And then Kaz playing Chrysalis for the first time in his competitive history.
Yeah, I will defer to what I heard Quinn and then Sanya talking about, which is that Kaz is a counter pick here.
You don't pick him third overall, and then go like, now we'll find some other stuff that it didn't really work.
I feel like Beastmaster and Tundra just feel like the guy.
And I know that 33 was the player that we thought was going to be playing Beastmaster, but you can put this here pretty much anywhere.
And he's just good. He's just the core.
He farms well, he does a lot of damage, he's tanky, he can be person, disable, map presence.
What do you do against that?
Anyway, what do you do?
He does everything. He's like a tide on the tee, I built him together.
Gives you everything.
Speaking of tide, I thought the tide pick looked great in that game.
I mean, that was the most impact I've seen a tide with the Ravage on cooldown have.
I mean, sorry, Ravage on cooldown have in the map in the first 15 minutes.
Like, he didn't have Ravage, he was defending Mid Tower without Ravage, he kind of had this read
that they couldn't kill him, that his Kraken Shell was just going to debuff everything,
and watching 33 just standing for the Mid Tower with like 30% of his HP,
defend it, and then walk top was really funny, because then when he walked top,
they tried to kill him again, and then guess what, he just didn't die.
And it felt like there was so much going on in this game, the early game, that was really subtle.
But a lot of that I would actually attribute to Tide in the way that he moved around in this game.
And when you think about it, Tide versus Kess is a bit of a rough matchup for Kess, right?
Not necessarily the lane, but Tide is always dispelling with his Crack and Shell, and that's where Kess's damage comes from.
It comes from the Kazuri Katana, and if you have any kind of dispell, he doesn't provide that insane output of damage that we know from him.
So this tide response and this like, oh we're gonna flex the Beastmaster, you're not gonna
see it coming and they pull out a tide to counter the kez in that sense, that was really
cool.
Yeah.
I wanted to also just show you guys some of the clips that I took out for this game.
I feel like, so it's about all the carries in my mind, that's really all I'm focused
on for this one.
And there is a moment in the early game here where Pure is gonna really give it to Crystal
List.
He just blinks in and roars and essentially solo kills him.
He's just like, get out of my mouth, you know?
And then here in the mid lane, it's like when we talk about like pure and being flashy and the zero moments
This to me is like, why don't you just hit him next to time because it's cooler to let the agonist do the work
And these are like the two things that I saw in this game that are really cool
I'm sure Chris is gonna bounce back and like strike back at him
But sure I feel like these things it speaks to pure, you know as a player and I feel like
That is the kind of stuff that you look for that is why you remember him. You're like which kind of idiot
doesn't just hit him. Imagine Storm lives there. It's definitely happened to him before
that the Storm survives, but he's going to go for it every single time.
There's the ego play which is not looking at it, or if you're from 33's perspective,
it's simply inefficient to waste the time for another auto attack. You know, like whenever
you have a radiance and you just hit the neutral creeps just enough and you start walking away,
they're going to aggro to you. You're going to burn them down.
That's a repeat thing though. Like if you do that over the course of an entire game,
They're actually saving seconds, whereas the not hitting stormed at one extra time to make
sure that he dies for sure.
What if he missed the last hit mid?
He didn't.
There was no creeper there.
What if he did though?
Well, he didn't.
That was definitely a cool kill.
That was definitely...
He knows when he's doing it that we're watching the play happen on stream and we're gonna
think, okay, I respect that.
I will say, you know, in the NBA, I know you like basketball, you know when people shoot
to three and then turn away and it doesn't go in.
There's a famous shot of some player doing this to the crowd and it just
bounces me out of the rim.
Oh, is it worth it?
Well, like in the sometimes in the NFL, you'll see those guys as they're running
across the line into the touchdown, they drop the ball so they can start
celebrating and it's like, no dude, you drop the ball.
What do you do?
So all right, sometimes it looks really cool.
It's like, oh, he just did it.
But why not just?
I guess that's why some people make it is because they're willing to push push push constantly
Yeah, and they have that cockiness thing you like you gotta give it to him
But I personally would take the just fucking him
I promise you Chris those would have hit him one more time. I promise you Chris
That's a great example of the difference between the two fairies. No, but that's the point pure will do that if you can
I think he lives for those moments, right? It's like
With saber light I feel like sabers also this kind of guy like he always wants to highlight
the aura play. Exactly. He will go for it. And that's why sometimes it can be hit or
miss, right? Why did you do that? Why did you buy that right there? This is not the
same point, so I feel like I'm diverting right now, but I do want to shout out
Whitemon's Phoenix because Phoenix has been unjustly getting whacked from the
panel, you know? A lot of people do Phoenix sucks and as a Phoenix
defender and enthusiast, I would like to say that Whitemon showed us what Phoenix
looks like and why he is strong, like playing on the hotspot, like the value he was getting
out of the sun, or he was just shredding people, like that combo with Ember, they were destructive.
Like that fight bottom that looked really good for Maus, where they defended, and then they just
stayed 30 seconds later and then boom, here come Ember and Phoenix and they're gonna kill your
carry and they're gonna kill everybody else. Like, Maus didn't see that coming. When people were dead
and respawning, they're like, surely we're safe here. Nope, because Phoenix is alive, and Phoenix
owns and I say this passionately because he's been getting flamed
You're in group stage one. I'm ready to reevaluate put them under a new microscope now that the winning teams
The survivors are group stage one are now showing us what these heroes are capable of in a group stage two
And we need to see what else mouths is capable as we get ready for game number two after the break
This is the story of a mortal man, an angry man driven by revenge.
He struck a deal and became a tool for the unfortunate souls condemned to hell.
This is the story of Razor, a story of hatred and anger.
Find out how this came to be in Tales from the Lorekeeper.
Episode 4, brought to you by DHL.
That bloody time!
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway.
You hold our future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions, I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection, then come and sweep me off with more faith
If we could just solve all this confusion If we could sort it out
Get through this situation, know our hesitation Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are And let's apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love, that we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me, but you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got a funny way of showing it, so this is where I draw the line
We could just solve all this confusion
We could sort it out
But through the situation, no more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who we are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we belong
Oh
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
That we're in love
Now I finally found someone to build my world around.
Just can't believe how good it feels to have your love.
Take a bite and lonely day
I can tell so many ways
I know for sure that you're the one that I've dreamed of
I've waited all my life
When through that vicious deep time
It was a dream, till it was you
I still have you baby, oh yeah
I hope someday that you won't stop saying that it's me
But I just need a hand, baby
Look baby, who does you do?
Who does you mean?
Guess my lovely star
Brought you to me, cause there you are
And like a shining light, your love has let me sing
A world of happiness
But even more than this
I realize a miracle occurred for me
I wait for the light
Baby, I'm always shakin' on fire
I was a kid, I was a kid
Yeah, I was asleep
Oh baby, baby
Look at all the sun, the day that came
Oh yeah, I was a special, but I just never
Never, never, no baby
To the mercy of the Lord
Sister, I want you baby
To the mercy of the Lord
Game two of a mouths versus conjure is happening a very soon, but first I'm going to direct
your attention to a canvas and an easel that we have now completed for your consideration
or the consideration of the people who will be in Twitch chat around eight hours from
now. This is our canvas. We were given the task. Work together with your teammates to
create a masterpiece. You have been commissioned to paint a scene of any Dota hero of your
choice being ganked. Twitch will vote on which team's gank painting is the best. And Tadden,
you mind explaining what our piece is? Of course, Neil, I'll happily talk you through it.
Here, of course, we have Nature's Prophet, the ultimate global ganking hero. He is,
uh, yeah, this is not his legs. This is his cloak. His legs are offscreen here. I'm my
Shaggy Bar. I'm my Shaggy Bar. This is Carrie Prophet as a companion cube IO
tethered to him providing everything that a Carrie could possibly want.
Justin K's teleportation was uncool. Indeed he is also summoned as you can
see here in the bottom center of the painting. It's a little trance they're
angry that's why they're frowning and they are chasing down the target
Crystal Maiden who is only level two low in health not looking great on mana and
And although this is a poor drawing, you get the idea.
She is also being charged by spirit breaker
as indicated here, and here is the spirit breaker
inbound from afar, which is why he looks a bit weird,
and why some of the more confused members of the audience
might think it's Puck, it is not,
it is obviously spirit breaker.
This is Quinn's contribution is Zeus's lightning bolt,
which is inbound.
It may look like electric eel, it is not,
it is a lightning bolt, pure electricity.
And Dawn Breaker, who was also arriving.
This is her hammer and a search.
And this is the Glotmere effect.
All in all, a sad time to be a crystal maiden.
And please, bear in mind that this painting was done
by unprofessional or non-professional painters,
I should say.
Don't vote for Shiva.
That's all I'm saying.
Just vote for us, for a change.
That's like, keep in mind,
I thought this is a global ganking strap.
Global ganking strap.
Which, you know, hopefully that can sway your votes
in a certain direction because, wow,
Is there a better way to kill a level 2 Crystal Maiden than to press every ulti in the game and then take the end with Nature's Prophet and Io?
You got her!
Is this a good team comp?
Even if we had Dawnbreaker, Zeus, Spearbreaker, Io, Nature's Prophet.
It's like a mid game Nature's Prophet.
So you have what?
You have Nature's Prophet, Wisp, say, Fane?
Yeah.
You have Puff, Fane, Io.
That's not fucking Spearbreaker!
Oh, sorry.
Yes, Spearbreaker, Dawnbreaker, Offline, Puff, and Smid.
I think on the list, on the list of like, bad lineups, it's not that bad.
It's viable.
But if this is liquid.
If this is Mickey and Nisha's profit, you already won the game.
I'm playing this.
You're playing this?
Nisha's playing Pock.
Um, sorry.
Nisha's playing Zeus.
Pock's is playing SP.
Nisha's playing Zeus.
Pock's is playing Spear.
Pock's is actually really...
Sorry, it's Spearbreaker.
I'm really, I'm sorry, I'm from the...
Love God, it's Spearbreaker.
Okay, so Nisha's playing Zeus, and Pock's is playing Pock, and...
Spearbreaker!
I'm a boxing spirit breaker, and who's playing Thaumbreaker? Saber-Lite?
Yeah, we can go to Saber-Lite.
I feel like I still should have done it.
I mean, Nisha Puck and Mickey Nature's Prophet, what else do you need for a lot of them to win?
It gives you everything you need.
Nisha Puck, one more time, I'm going to put this painting over your head.
Like a BAM! Like that.
It is clearly Sparebreaker!
I wanted to say, in terms of what you guys are saying about Phoenix,
it is also Whitemon.
So as good as the hero is Effie, that's the most thing it is white mom playing
Group stage one a lot of heroes will look good. Yeah, that's the point that I'm making is that the people who are playing the
Phoenixes are not really known for this hero
And that's why it was getting flamed by the panel
Relentlessly, I thought you were just saying finally we get to see someone who knows how to play the hero
No one else can play it. I was just saying I think they're all picking it because it is apparently good
I still don't even think it's that good just in his hands. It's good
they will suck.
I think it just requires a certain team composition to make it work and the
games that we've seen of it haven't really been representative of the
heroes' strengths. And also keep in mind this hero is above 50% win rate at DreamLeague.
That's true. That is true. This guy's a god.
And if you want to see more data on it, the next series is going to be Aurora
versus ParryVision where I'm sure Kaori will also put on a masterclass with this
hero.
That is Shimon!
You know what's funny? I feel like whenever I think of any position 5-hero,
I can think of a player, but then I also think of white mom
Try to say a position five hero that you don't think of white mom is like at being good at it
It's a good question. Like I say Phoenix. It's like Calorie, but also white mom is good at it
I say Chen it's like snaking but also white mom is very good at it. Yeah, not a siren. I feel like
Also white mom is very good at it. I don't know snake also probably that one
There's just very hard to find a support here like enchantress white mom is very good at it
What about plus five invoker?
I have never seen him play pause 5 in woker, but I feel like if he did he would probably be pretty good at it
I'm actually thinking have I ever seen him play with
I'm actually gonna I'm gonna look through his played heroes like I know for example if I think of elder Titan
I really think of him. He's like a very elder Titan is like one of his special
Who do you think of when you think of wish who do you guys I think of jerks jerks?
Yeah, yeah
No, it's like those those two. Yeah, because I think you want to go to the fountain memes. Yeah
Yeah, I mean, I think like I would probably say GH more than Jarax
But Jarax was the first thing that came to mind
But then whenever I think I think crit also kind of belongs in that category from that era
I feel like you also put the tunnel with so yeah for white mon statistics of heroes that have like a reasonably large sample size
He only has basically three that are below 50% win, right?
Which are which doctor is one okay, okay, but that's best here in this too high on a martyr play
We're stuck. Yeah, and he has not played it since 2023. Yeah, it's been retired silencer
He has 26 picks on the hero of 42% when right?
Okay, I think so answer is kind of a land hero and it surprises me
I've never thought about it, but maybe he's just not that much of a silencer player bless you place it seven seven months ago
Seven months ago, so it is fairly recent and the other one which has been retired since 2022
15 picks, 40% win rate on Keeper of the Light.
Well that's not really a 5. I would say the hero has been phased out as a 5.
What's his Wisp pick and win rate? I'm just curious if I've ever seen him play Wisp.
So for Io, he has 19 picks.
Yeah. 69% win rate.
Huh. 69. Nice.
So yeah, he has...
It doesn't really play it, it seems like.
No, not that much.
But if you are associating definite associations,
Phoenix is in his top three most played heroes ever right after disruptor in jacquero
He just owns he just owns he just told me he is the highest skilled position five player
Currently playing in Dota like I just I can't value him high enough in terms of like not just his mechanical skill
But what he contributes to a team and like yeah
There are a lot of high skilled fives in Dota
But a lot of them are very
Spylistic in the sense of a snake in for example will farm a lot right that's not really a pure five
You know what I mean of all of the pure five players who exist merely to enable their teammates
He is miles ahead of anyone else. I would say for me what most thoughts like most like what makes him the most unique
Is his ability to play make I think he is a better playmaker than most lives
But like every said he's also one of the most well-rounded fives. He kind of just does everything
He doesn't have like a very he's not very niche in one direction or the other
Pugna and Nyx are two heroes who don't see Pit Ray Ulster, but I think these are kind
of mouse picks, aren't they?
Haven't they picked these guys before?
They like these guys.
What is the Nyx doing for them?
Is he just using them for scouting stuff?
Is he just his burst damage?
What do they see in him as a support?
So they picked this the last time we watched them and he's like this, okay, so I'm just
very much a melee hero player.
That's why I didn't like to see him straight from that last game and they'll tank the double
melee lanes and he'll go wave cut and whatever. But what Nyx does that other melee force don't
is that he will set up for kills on parts of the map that other force can't reach, right?
So go around invisibly and it looks really good when they paired it up with a storm spirit.
So their Nyx plus storm combination was pretty deadly. In the same sense, a beastmaster with
a blink dagger can have similar threat levels. But I want to see another initiator and we get that
from the Dragon Boat.
Water stuns on the mouse's thigh.
This looks comfortable for them.
Really comfortable.
I don't know about this, Brew.
I mean, Netta is kind of like a Brew special.
I mean, he is, but is the hero any good?
Or are we just saying he's so good, it doesn't matter.
I actually don't know.
Yeah, the one time I did see him, he made it look good.
Yeah.
So far in Dream League Season 28,
Broom Master has been picked six times and has a 66% win rate.
Who's been picking it?
We've primarily been seeing it from WS Aurora, who has 100% win rate on it, and actually Boom.
So maybe they are taking it away from Mellz?
Because Boom has two picks on the hero 50% win rate.
It was one of the more contested off-leaders actually at last when I looked it up.
So I was looking into the hero and it seems like the popular build is just boots and two
blink dagger and to agonim scepter.
So probably boots, Midas, agonim scepter is the same.
I did not see, okay so I watched 33, I forget the other day and he didn't go Midas.
He did go Midas the game last time.
So he definitely is the winner of this game.
But we didn't watch the same game because I watched it at last and he just went round boots and then blinked.
No but so Nara actually in his shop, I don't know if you know this but his shop looks kind of different than everybody else's shop.
I've heard about this.
When he clicks on blink, it just Midas pops in his inventory.
He's like, guys, I'm 50 gold off flake, and then you click on him and there's a handomitis.
The other thing I've verified after interviewing him, apparently infused raindrops does not exist in this inventory.
Yep, doesn't exist.
It does not believe in the item, it just isn't.
Also, fun fact, before they nerfed it, if he clicked purchase tangos, it would make his position 4 by tangos.
Oh, that's strange.
Yeah.
I like the idea of remaster just kind of dealing with Pugna in these fights.
If you think about the support Sam Tender, like, Phoenix will be in an egg or a sundry.
Like, he's not going to stop what he's doing to get on top of a Pugna.
And you think about the Shaman. Ideally, he's...
Delirious, locked up, sorry.
He's actually, he's in a greenhouse, so he's grown.
I'm sorry, he's dead still.
He was sitting, he was lower down, like a stalker's salary, he has grown.
Sorry for cutting you off, this is a funny story.
I was just saying that if Shaman is tackling a target,
He can't redirect his attention to the pugna and we saw the last time we watched bow's play
Like Slylari was popping off at these heels these decryptifiers and lifetrains like they turned a lot of fights
But enabled them to make the combat that they made versus extreme gaming the other day
So having a blue control something as pesky as the pugna it makes a lot of sense to me. This is I'm not really
Don't care this tundra lion
Abaddon
It's an interesting mix of heroes for sure
maybe a little bit of the withering mist innate to reduce region just a little
worried about their damage all these heroes to be honest with you I have the
same concern like they kind of have a lot of heroes that are once again I mean
very typical tundra very reliant on items to deal damage and then they have
this big boy hotspot summary that's like the one spell that's actually providing
them with damage so I think if they can manage to crack that issue that's
Yeah, that's gonna be the big story of this game. Can they crack the damage issue?
Whereas mouse are doubling down on speed because they've got a lot of objective taking you got v-smasters
You got pug now you got DK who are more than happy to just post up at a tower and mow it down
Yeah, I feel like I think of four letters when I see pundra or mausels drafts. It's T and a cake
Listen when shaman hits level 15
He'll handle these guys.
Oh yeah?
Ex-break.
Easy peasy.
I like how you're saying when as opposed to if, because if it happens too fast, he's
not gonna hit level 15, but you're saying when.
I can't imagine Thunder losing a game before their shaman gets to level 15.
Well maybe.
Who knows?
Maybe Mousa's just throwing them over.
He needs blink and level 50.
He needs it to happen as they want to get themselves a 2-0 and we'll see it happen.
Let's cap, one one two, one one
I don't think I've ever seen Ted so convinced by a draft before, he wouldn't even let Neil
finish out the throw, he was 1-1, it's going to be 1-1, and I'm inclined to agree with him.
I think Ted's right.
I think it's Majesty's personal back.
He has an allegiance towards the only other British hero in the game.
And he can't go against him.
Is that the only British hero in the game?
That's not true, no.
In my lore.
Drinks too much.
Okay.
Well, I'm also not a huge fan of this Tundra line-up.
It is really weird.
Just looking at it on paper, but it is a lineup with a lot of super comfort heroes for them
that I've seen them execute a lot better than a lot of other teams like this Brew.
Brew with an early orchid in the games and you get extra lockdown, you know,
this pure baton can sometimes go ham and just run people over.
They did go dying light on the Phoenix game, not the hotspot, which is interesting.
I mean, I think that's the correct call here because he has no way to play with the Sunray.
I agree that's a big difference. There's no stuns to really make this summary super work, but you are against three tanky strength boys
So I think it's sort of attempting and dying late against Nix is a
mixed bag
And I like what now's got going on better this time around. This is a draft
We've seen them execute a bunch of times before that the triple strength core. They have the Yamach melee hero
He had a really nice game on this Nix yesterday started out really slow
But he just rushed blink and he was just blinking into these fights carelessly everybody multiple hero in pales
It was nasty is a great care of his team. So
Yeah, I think Bowser's odds are if killing better this time around
We better set up for them. Oh
So we get beat out by BGM BGM all kinds of little tricks here
That really heads up a plane ward off of sitting underneath the tower
Took away the bounty room for celery
still need to split and boom gonna get the block bottom as everybody is also
blocking top they killed a range creep hop as well so both these things gonna
boomerang out very quickly here
should be nice this brewmaster and then you will not have to fight this DK on
some of the early waves bigger question is will this Eastmaster do similar
things as it didn't game one it's in the hands of mid one this time around but
now's first pick that hero they took it away from Tundra very quickly probably
willing to flex around as well just that man we don't want to play against it
again the best way to not play against it is if you play yourself are he is
committed to the bit yeah what happened here man he really I mean the turn around
shackles was pretty crazy on the pugna it's actually insane to me how much
damage he did to Celery in that 1v2 well either way first blood got four
mouths did do a lot there just not the worst trade somehow got out of that I
just don't know how to get out of that dying light plus some fire spirits doing
some work here on the state playing he's a pretty nice a bat game in terms of
shield disbells top hero for the nix to hunt and kill I just agree with the
Panes take up like damage in this game
Are you going to lack it?
Is there some way that Tundra can itemize for damage before Maus's ball gets online?
Because I think Maus's game plan is very straightforward here
You just get some early aura items on the bristle if you want them
Unless you think Pugna isn't up to carry some of the healing utility
You just tank up on your three cores start barreling through objectives
And if Tundra don't have the damage to kill you're just automatically gonna win the game
Wouldn't mind see some early side ganks in this game from the puck, that's maybe one
thing that can break the game up.
If the Beastmaster for mid one is just going to kind of sit mid, farm up, then go into
jungle, farm up, try to get to the Zags.
The puck has a little more freedom to get power runes and move around the path.
That could be a way to slow down Booms progression, for example, if the Purcell gets ganked.
The DK is a lot tougher to gank, but I could see this double melee offlane for Maus being
the ones to suffer here.
I actually think he needs to kinda have that, that kind of early game impact because he's
matched up against a lot of bad matchups here, right, Nix, Hugna, not gonna be super fun,
but then you've got the easy point-and-click stuns of Dragonite and, uh, Beastmaster, it's
not a straightforward puck game.
I was like, puck generally suffers against these triple strength lineups where there's
just a lot of HP to get through.
You can eventually get there, but it takes a long time.
Yeah, it takes you getting to like the whole harassment route.
The big camp got blocked mid by the way.
Mid one going for the double bore stacks, but he only gets one because his hard camp is gone.
It's a nice little head to play from Tudor to take away some of that economy.
It's a big deal with this hero if he can stack for himself with boars.
It counts for so much to get this axe a minute or two faster than you otherwise would.
If we saw how fast the piece converted, that axe into Roche into early teamfights in that
game won.
Like, they instantly just took that Roche out of nowhere.
So these little economy tricks add up considerably.
There's another courier at the bottom, the image putting in work down here with that
ward behind the tower. Deny out a lot of resources. I mean, he's gonna die through the apotic
shield. Yeah, that will spray. He got way too many of them matted up on a hero that
does not have armor. Why, man, overplaying his hand a little bit. Trying to really punish
boom but ends up getting him the gold he desperately needed getting zoned out of this lane. He'll
You'll get a hard camp pull as well.
The damage stacking up the waves now.
Why do you stack up the waves?
Well, if you pull this behind, you're gonna deny waves forever.
Alright, sure.
Then he's taking advantage of the fact that the Phoenix died.
The prevalence of pulling reminds me...
He did not float behind.
I kind of disagree with this.
I think you're supposed to pull behind if you double stack it like this, because now
Tundra can just kind of play with this wave and you're going to get fire spirited on it
if you're boom.
You're not going to get all this, yes.
So I feel like you wasted some of the potential of this stack wave.
I mean, if you're going to find a tower, aren't they still going to go for you?
And then you have to pull underneath tier two and then it's kind of hard to get last
hits there.
Is the argument I would make?
But the thing is he had a wave on him, like pure had a wave on him.
So he would have to run on, to get to the wave behind tier one, he would have to run under tower with a wave on him.
You can do that, but you're gonna take a lot more ass to do it.
It's gonna be way more awkward.
They are being as aggressive as possible and playing with double melee lane, which I think is the correct idea here.
You want to punish this bristle as much as possible, it's the one lane getting punished in the game right now, sticks to their power room.
Rotation coming from Yaminch on the other side.
Oh, he really gave his life in order to stop this power room pick up, as he will snap on the coil.
Power and team spawn on the other side goes into mid-longs-bottles.
A lot of pad lane phase for Maus, but could have been slightly better.
Still, the beast and TK are free-farming. That's what's most important to their strategy here.
Brumaster almost level 6 though.
Yeah, what's the build for Brumaster in this game?
Because they were talking about damage issues. Is this for Radiance? For him?
I suspect it will go Vessel, Midas, Hags. Hags is usually those. Okay, then Pure goes to Radiant? Yes.
He's definitely one Vessel in this game. Maybe early Prasma on Cluck is another damage source.
Another good Lotus Orb game for Boom if he wants to go that route. Great pipe game.
For now, somebody has to get pipe from this guy.
Just way too good.
Oh, 33 actually gave up the wisdom shrine to Whitemon, so both supports can get their
levels because he already has level 60, he doesn't need it.
I like that quality.
He needs levels on Phoenix, like you can't level against this hero, just becomes a bot.
And they did get the tower bot and move unable to deny it against the catapult.
ferocious. Now making a move up top looking for the dragon knight but he's
vacated the area. There's a lot of early towers to give up against the lineup
that also has a shatter shot.
Rule 2 terrifying. The only real fast-based core in this life was the
Bristol who had the worst lane. So your beast is just juggling, your DJ is gonna
jungle. No one's really holding the map. These towers are kind of free for 20. They're going to
smoke mid like they're like, you know what? No one's going to come to this one. Let's go get the fight.
Yeah, that's the way the Inviseroon from DCM. He's just giving up his life for rooms.
I like this play call. Abuse the fact that Mowz do not want to fight you right now.
Dragonite does TP in. They're going to try and punish Pure for this.
He's a nice idea as well, if he's not level 6 he needed one more creep.
Thank you, it's caught.
That's a rough death for him, he's so close to 6.
So his play from Thunder backfires a little as now let's make the call.
Okay, you left your dude up here.
Just go kill him.
He's a spooky hero to bring down, but again, Boom struggles to continue in this game.
He's your pipe buyer. He's potentially a Lotus buyer if you want some of these bigger war items.
They're gonna be very slow to come out here.
But I don't think anyone else can get him, so you just gotta keep pushing on.
Maybe stack for this crystal. Try and give him some extra stack gold to get the pipe up earlier in this game.
You wanna align it with like B-stags if you can.
Get all this cooking at the same time and just force objectives, force the team fights.
The last time Malus were struggling with the Nix's cast and then the damage hit level 6 and the world changed.
Let's see if that's gonna be the same case here.
Once again, damage contesting for...
Oh, we got care of it.
We'll blow up White Mod.
Got him on the spike care base.
You said it's dangerous, dying light.
Sunray's never really going to be up.
I mean, this Phoenix is not going to have an easy time.
It's a very tough matchup to play.
You have to play Ultra Defensive, which is never, never fun.
And even then, you just get caught on some of your random spells in the fight,
and you just get changed undone.
Crystal's being chased after.
He's a dragonite, very tanky hero, and he's got lotuses.
It's not loyal, yeah.
Yeah, I don't think they... it's not half anywhere close to the amount of damage required, but it got reaction out of the supports, so...
I'm surprised they reacted.
There was no threat on this game.
No. It pulls Yamato away from... did he experience off of the lane, which is...
Why are you kidding me?
Very important for Miles.
Gotta prioritize some of the next levels here.
Seller get out of here level six isn't nearly as important as all the damage
You can see tundra getting more out of the map right now. They have a shaman sitting mid. They have a phoenix sitting bottom
Goblin of all this solo support XP that they need
Boom cannot kick the phoenix out of this bottom lane this game has just been too rough
Time to have more map control right now. See if they can translate it into some sort of teamfight or economic advantage.
They do have Vessel on the Brewmaster. It's probably the strongest item in this game right now because, again, all the items for vowels are going to be slow build-ups here.
Like, you're going to slow crawl your way to the pipe, you're going to slow crawl your way to the axe. Once you get there, you're going to be super strong in this game.
this game. And there's the Midas. There it is. The man just cannot refuse extra
gold. It's impossible. Would you say no to it? Yes, I would.
I'm a man of principle.
Man of principle. More like you're so suspicious that you feel like what's the catch?
That is pretty forced, Wargo's down on 33 though and he's easily able to soak it up and pop his ultimate, not a problem there.
They're still able to run down mid once despite the heals that Celery tried to throw down.
Now they're trapped to creptify on the Nether Ward in order to try and keep this teamfight alive.
BZF does get blown up by Yamage meanwhile, the Bristle, boom, Trouble does get destroyed after the ultimate from Pyramid.
That saves the Bristleback's life.
life now pure creeps underneath the tower runs back to deal with the damage
the damage with the rare goods to fight care pays for turning a lot of stuns back they hit it with
the shackles chrysalis has his ult though starts laying into him and yeah with the poison r he just
takes out that ult is or that he's in it rather is not safe get the damage over time to drag
I don't know weird fight to pick that was weird if only the you know, we have all these ults
They cannot win a fight guys. Let's just go just go go go and it's like, okay
Just coil a solo beast under a tier two with pugna behind him
The almost clobber here is the power of the ults
I think if the BB doesn't get tossed there this fight significantly better and broke the shackle
So anti-stinger she there he would have taken a lot more damage from the ward drop sure it probably dies in this situation
But nice Vendetta hit from the enemy, she picks up the puck
That's exactly what you want out of the next assassin and they bail the Bersal out
The nice little dragon tail, so that was almost the same thing
That stun and the Evoid ultimate going on
Get in because here we used it in the mid lane it translates to Chrysler's killing him at top
That was game is
Kyle's going well for mouse at this point
This is gonna get you your B-stags the Bersal Pipe's not as far away anymore
Your DK is still top-networked and now you can kind of look for those cheeky Vendetta kills.
Nice try, Yamage. Same thing on the other side.
Team's just kind of testing, making sure that you're actually putting heroes onto your wisdom shrines.
Shrines.
I mean, Bows are actually leading in net worth, as ever so slight as it is, and they haven't
taken any towers, and we're also talking about the solo role of items.
They actually get to these items, they get the towers.
I feel like this is not going too bad for them.
Yeah.
There's a lot of gold to collect in this game.
And they haven't fallen behind at all.
Still should respect Tundra's 5-man teamfight, especially if they get to bru level 2 ult with
aggs.
That's when the damage is going to pick up for Tundra on top of the bad ingredients.
That's going to be like the really strong mid-game time.
He does lose his relic on the courier.
The image doing work as usual on this hero.
Same goes for Celery on the Pugna. Another signature player here, a combination.
Oh yeah, he doesn't work on this hero.
Do not want to let him get too much farm in this game.
Shackles gets him plenty of time to loop around the front, hit the Bristleback in the base.
He's his ass.
Pipe delayed again.
I
Love how pure whenever he dies being overly aggressive or whatever it never slows him down
right banking
out the man wants to play the game
nothing's gonna slow down
as it is but if i'm
there's a reason i was playing that aggressive in the first place i'm gonna
keep doing it that way
sometimes even a pause doesn't slow down that's true
we don't have to talk about that but
well then why don't you bring it up
it's a good meme
It's good to be
Amp damage on the fuck right now
Still looking for the level to drool and still looking for your radiance
But it's really close in here for tundra as we saw the blink arrived for the DK all
Mouser missing our
The next blink in the pipe so all these both these teams are gonna be ready to brawl here in the next minute or so
And I expect there to be a brawl, as Roche will be a juicy target for this Beastmaster.
We'd love to get something going here.
Ward's bottom just to clear the ways, defend the tower kind of ways.
Interesting.
We'll be up again in time for Tormentor.
So no harm no foul here, yes.
Seems like we're getting more and more comfortable just dropping support ults.
Terral Envy was right, he was just ahead of his time.
Use your ults to farm, or your wasting cooldowns.
What was the most egregious?
I don't remember, like, I had this vague notion of Envy would do that, but I can't even think
of what hero he would do that on.
The one that got him in trouble was Cromulus.
Oh yeah!
Yeah, he used exorcism to farm like a double ancient camp or something.
Yeah.
And people are just going,
What the hell is this?
Brain man smoked for miles.
And into the triangle that it's going to be a white monk phoenix.
Difficult to catch unless the next assassin is Lee the way.
Which of course he is!
Yammage is the one who probably was setting all that up.
They made the play call, had the vision down, had the positioning, saw the heroes, and now with the pick-off as simple as a Phoenix, going to take Rosemont.
They got their pipe, they made their play.
Perfect part of the map to get that kill, instantly into the objective they want.
Now 33 getting chased around up here.
Good timing on that split.
They didn't kill him.
Yeah, he's gonna try and kill Yamich and still get out.
Little difficult.
So, now he just makes a run for it.
The brew, though!
His Brulee's gonna join in to kill the Bristol!
Yamich's gonna be bailed out by the Crepefly and the Heels for now!
Burmastor's gonna come back and forth over the eggs.
Surrounded, egg!
Oh my- OH NO! They barely missed it on Maus!
They needed one more hit!
I think they missed.
I think they could've hit the campus. There was nothing to miss there.
Mid one, he'll die a second time.
He just needed a replay of that because I feel like the DK got the last hit in,
but maybe it was one of those things where the animation of the hit didn't touch the egg.
Yeah, yeah, it might be.
I guess it's possibly missed, but I feel like it was a pretty low chance on him.
Hard to say. That ain't going off the massive deal there.
His mouths just get beated into a terrible fight.
You lose all of that Rosh advantage.
You lost your Pipe Tiny fight there as well.
Deja vu.
He got so much fire this Brawl, it was supposed to be like, I got the Brawl guys and then
turns out-
You know, Chrysos walked away initially, didn't somebody made the call?
So there's a miss, so he did miss once.
And then the last one is yeah, last it's didn't land in the last it didn't so we only got one miss
But that last it was was brutal and straight back into it
By the four eight. Yeah, I was dead roar goes out of left hand side here and Ari both in trouble split targets here from
Mouse, but they collect on bowl
Okay, they just run it back. No holds easy team fight
strain detour mentor but it caught off guard especially without that up a
A baton you can't turn that way around.
Now he's not losing any confidence.
No.
They may have lost that fight, but they know they're still strong.
And they just run it back.
They aren't going to have the wisdom to try and take it away from them.
Yeah, they will lose wisdom trying here.
Nice little snipe right on, always finding little openings.
That'll be a level 2 egg for him.
They do have the brew ads, so level 3 ults all night.
Very strong right now. I should not underestimate that damage this does.
Pretty insane, they're even gonna try and make plays, risky play with so many heroes off the path.
Especially you know the nice so much run around potential, ho ho ho!
And there he goes off, right before the Spike Carapace hits the Phoenix.
There's a gem on the puck right now.
So the image has to pick his points of attack very well to find the openings.
I have people to find already mid though.
Or get found off this gem, they jump first.
Oh, the next assassin is going to just fall in.
They still manage to get both the shackles and the heals coming in from Xellar.
Actually, maybe mid one can get out of here.
The super words can't do quite enough damage.
Mid one making a run for it, gets a heal with the pipe.
It's not enough, the physical damage comes in, 33, finished him off, and now the brilliant
Shacing after Celery as well.
Tossed up in the air, couldn't finish off the pugna, and I'll leave the bristle back,
hanging.
I'm gonna stun on the brew outside of Tier 2 though.
Ah, he not doing anything.
That was a great silence timing from DCM.
Shuts down the nicks completely.
That's why this matchup was a little more one-sided than it used to be.
Especially if you buy early gem.
can really cause problems for the Knicks. And we're seeing this Brewmaster be incredibly
annoying. If the Bristle's being taken care of, there's no one to really kill this Brewmaster
Bruin this early in the game. The DK and Beast will scale up too. The best option is
finding him outside of that although the Evasion is going ham sandwich.
Geez, yeah.
The Master's a silly hero.
He's a watch hero for sure.
Between his innate and...
the...
wind panda aura thing, it's...
he's got all kinds of weird shit going on.
Lotus Orb for Boom.
It's getting that soon. If they can get to the BKB on Beastmaster, you were talking about that, right?
the BKB on Chrysalis. Game changes quite a bit. They'll have pretty much everything
I think they need in terms of core items this game. They'll have to pipe the
Lotus, the BKBs, and then they're just ready to cook. Your Nix's ass didn't even
got a lot in this game off the pre-shard. And you just go in straight into your
Dagon, Blink Dagon, which is preferred build. So what do you do if you're
Tundra against this double BKB timing? Because it seems a whole lot harder to be
able to do these teamfights they can do. Yeah, it's really tough. Need to get the jump.
It's a lot about the shaman fighting jumps on the map.
You can go in hex shackles, some targets just drop all the ults. Kind of soft chain stun
in with like the boulder toss, something else. I think you can bring some of these guys down,
but tough. Your best bet is also to toss the pugnip.
Ruru is very good at disrupting Puckin on the back line if you can ever find him, or just killing him.
But, still, he's been doing a lot of work.
He hasn't really died in his engagements, but he's not early on.
Pushing with the Tritate doesn't have to give you any...
You know this mass rotation is coming his way, it's in Blink Hacks.
They do have the opening to pop the BKB if necessary.
He does not pop it, breaks the coil, turns back around.
That was the BKB delivers justice on the Phoenix, blows him up, Ari's up next, Pure gonna blink after him,
Chris is still gonna give me a bit- OH GOD I'M ON THE SPY CAREFRIES ON BCM!
BCM do you want to chase after Chris? I think you may have to back out here.
Boom. Not letting Pure get away with no ultimate.
He's kinda low and Pure is just gonna-
Yeah, just links forward after mid one.
Taking mid one.
Gonna die, BCM still fighting after Chris here and trying to get him off of the Tungles, Chris!
Oh, it's so close! He almost kills BZM. Now the Brulings are gonna overwhelm him.
The Aphotic Shield comes out on BZM. He survives.
Yammer, she goes after him. Oh, the new Junkrat! Come on, that was Yammer! Just kill!
The tentacles take it away from the ball. God, BZM at least. They'll get that one.
What about the Brew? The Brew can't get hits on a man.
BZM. Too powerful. That's a huge fine for Yammer, so he gets plucked there.
That's the gem taken away from BZM in this fucking X-Match, and that is absolutely massive.
It's all the stuns doing work there. If Waibon gets egg off, that is a completely different fight.
Yeah.
But the fact that DK still landed in the impale is just huge, and BZM, he's taken his van fight.
He's trying to stall this up till the brewmaster can get down here.
By the way, this brew solo killed Middler.
Yeah, it's not bad.
33 was just solo fighting him in the jungle.
Wasted his entire VKB solo killed him in the end.
So manly plays from 33 but unable to finish this fight off, Nix gets so much work here.
Double carapace into double impale. Kills clock, takes gem, escapes.
Nix kind of... kind of wonky nasty out here.
Oh yeah. I mean that's what I was talking about man. Get this guy to 6.
Once he gets to 6 he starts getting pick-offs. Once he gets pick-offs he gets his blink dagger.
Once he gets blink dagger, all of a sudden you've got team fight.
I also like the way he's playing this thing with just the brown boots blinked.
Oh man.
What the heck was that again?
And he unsuggested?
Like two different targets!
Oh you mouse, you are so greedy.
So so greedy.
Whitemon does get away.
Fortunately, they got the BGM kill.
They almost got both of them.
Yeah, that was.
That area has played, Tundra.
There's been a lot of vision there for mouse and they have used it over and over and over
to set up these kills. Just cannot find the wards on that triangle. Now it's time to start
to fall behind in this game. Still looking for the brew level 4 ulti if they can get it.
But this look bad and honestly hasn't done much as a last pick here.
And I feel like he's starting to fall perhaps even more. Like you're gonna have to contend with
some serious overwhelming forces this game scales on this triple threat from
Malz right now it's working on Manta next
it's okay just every fight he's gonna have to deal with being spike air-paced
randomly with the radiance.
Always damage a lot.
Trying to clear this nix out of here.
Did get his ward.
So level 4 brew all of the online. This is normally when Tundra would really want to force the issue.
You're not going to have too many moments in this game where you're hitting this kind of powerspeak and spell power.
kind of your last one then it's just gonna come down to who gets more items
which at this rate is mouths you just let them continue to farm up with these
three cores that cleared through so many camps so quickly you have damage to
you know mid one right now is pretty spooky there has to be a good egg there
has to be a good egg in the middle of these plates they know the Phoenix is
is inside the pit, off of the fire spirits going out.
That's a dangerous D-word.
I'm on his route.
Why are you in there?
He's getting caught by an edge.
He does get hit by the impound.
He didn't find a shield, but then the follow-up.
Dragotility dies!
The Nix's assassin not dead yet.
Once again, decrepified hills.
Look at Celery's positioning.
Beautiful stuff.
They do get the Nix's assassin.
Pure's gonna blink up.
Going after Celery.
Celery's already made his way off the high ground,
down to the low ground to join the rest of his team
in their BKB affair. Bull supports down for Tundra. Is that enough for Maus to take Roshan?
I think so. No brule too. What are you really afraid of here? Just kind of waiting for it to go back in the pit and settle down,
but that'll be an aegis. Plus Ban going Maus's way just standing tall with their tanky boys on the frontline.
Again, if the egg doesn't go off, you don't really have to extra DPS control in the fight to take it.
That layered stuns there, they were baiting him out with a photic shield, but you can't really do it this game. It's not reliable.
Unless you're willing to instant egg pop there. But I think they can just man up and kill it.
Yeah, 100% BKB, because there's nothing that goes through to BKB, right? So...
BKB hit his dragon egg, Cosmix is causing a lot of problems in the fight, and out of the map.
up right now so we'll have it for him being jumped, which means his blink dagger goes off.
Yeah, I guess the blink TP here.
As soon as the blink dagger goes off, he finds a spot to TP.
Oh, he turned radio?
Turning off the radiance.
I saw him doing that earlier, and that was a prime time.
Yeah, he's dead there.
For that precaution to work out.
Small details matter.
That's a huge, old 20-a-back kill he does not turn it off.
Heads up play from Pure.
In this zone right now, even if this game is not
finished through this, that game won.
Not in any means.
Another tormentor for Malz unless Thunder won a contest,
but without a badminton, it feels possible, so...
Shard 2, sorry.
Shard for him.
SNY for the Bristleback.
We have a Daedalus about to be complete for Chrysalis,
Which, that's where Dragon Knight really starts getting spooky.
The amateur who completed his, uh, Dagon Blink Decker is actually gonna go back for a Eul's.
I'm surprised Puck is the lowest Network 4 in this game.
I don't know, there's not much down here for EZM.
He's not getting a lot of farm priority.
He's not been clearing aggressive waves without getting caught.
probably afraid of the nicks pick off. He has slowed down his farm rate considerably.
I think that gem lost early was another killer for him.
You just can't go and rat the map without the gem in this matchup.
So the fact that mouse took it away has probably pushed him down this chart considerably.
Try to defend his ward. That ward he's gone.
Two and a half minutes on the clock with this ace, he's done for mid one.
Scale is starting to hit, for now it's going to hit hard.
The physical is ramped up considerably here in the last few minutes, did you have any
armor on the side of Thunder?
You have some of Asian, but you armor.
You don't have a single play mill item.
I guess they have greaves.
It's not doing much for you here though.
Yeah.
You're gonna get belted in this fight.
I don't think the fights are close.
I mean, Greaves also...
Does give the aura?
Uh, the low health and armor, right?
Anymore?
So...
It's only armor for him.
For you.
The rest of the team.
Appreciate that a look!
Let's watch this Phoenix!
A thousand damage!
She's gonna be used.
And Cotton Arius, well...
Once...
There's your break.
I think this ball is way too, way too deadly at this point.
It's way too much of a Malus ball.
I mean, you said it at the start of the game, we've seen them execute light-ups like this.
They're very good at it.
When they hit their timing, the game is a realist in those items, right?
The Daedalus on the Dragonite, Vassim pick up, or more on the Storm Panda.
Get that out of here.
All right, Storm Panda down.
Now for the Fire Panda, got him too, now he's just left with the Earth One.
Pure jumping after Yamich here, immediately gonna be Dragon Tail forced to pop his ultimate. Pure...
It's a refresh.
Gonna chase after Mid One. Mid One.
He's staying alive and he's still got that Aegis so they can't over commit for that kill.
The egg down here for the below is not really protecting too much, the fight's happening up.
They still managed to kill Celery though, couldn't chase down Pure. Pure was able to blink out of there.
Mid one is finally going to be losing his Aegis soon, the damage, he gets a little bit low, another round of spike care pays, but too many sources of damage, he ends up falling.
Mid one on his second life. He still has a BKB, and he's got an AC. He can go for some right clicks here, but unfortunately he's getting kinder around a little bit.
Blinks hit, BKB didn't hit anything. Dragotail, maybe that'll help out. Auri, big hits, big hits, and one final one to finish him off. Boom.
Boom now taking the man fight up against pure the buyback being used by Ari requirement for mouths
To push them out of this area for Tundra to be able to possibly take a fight
Brumas is gonna jump in 33 goes after it
But immediately they're turning around
Shunned up a punish you'll try them help it up the problem run pure pushing 33 farther up
They finish off 33 pure
He has to get a kill out of this and what he has to kill me when he does manage to do so
All right, that's gonna be a tie-back for him. Maybe. He knows they actually stopped hitting him.
They go back to end pure because he doesn't have his ultimate after all. Another round in the aphotic shield.
The cold trying to hold him back as best they can.
Chrysalis a blink up in a second. He gets it. Final hit is Don. Pure falls.
80 seconds on the clock for the carry of Tundra. Boom and Chrysalis seem untouchable here.
Too much meat. Too much HP in this lineup. You have to focus the supports.
They've been way too annoying.
And then these cores are just running ramp, but that was double cruelty just to try and take something off of this Rax falling.
So much time to work with, but nothing's really getting fun.
You just don't have the damage to bring these boys down.
And now there's a Titanic on the DK in case he was hard enough to kill already.
Yeah, yeah.
Now it's just bulldozing their way to a W here in scheme 2.
Now it's away.
There really is.
There's not that fancy about it.
We've ramped up our HP, we've ramped up our physical damage, we have some minus-armor
synergy, and we're just pilot driving it down lanes.
And you have one drool available, he will have refresher as well.
Yeah, gotta find the supports here.
Beautiful!
Coil 33 jumps in with Bruehmaster as well.
This could be both supports dying here.
Point four.
He got the nixmasast.
The toss up in the air on Stellar, he now leaves in opening, they're going to go after
him.
Now he's down from the tornado with the Bruehmaster Bruehlings, he tossed up, the roars go back,
but they're just going to have to back up.
The dragon knight protects these heroes too well.
Well, you got the nixmasast and you defended your base.
Yeah, not bad.
I feel like this is all Tundra can do though, is they can just find like one hero, maybe two supports?
That doesn't even win you the fight is the thing.
I think Mals will fight without their supports, and I don't think they really care.
They agree.
They have a heart on Bersal now, like all their cores are just so damn hard to kill.
Pure pushing into Mals here.
I'm just trying to get the horse felt in.
We're going to back off, they're going to roar and run away.
33's actually going to chase mid-wan, but he got the blink out.
He's fine.
I think Miles are trying to limit any bad fights right now.
Because they've got Roach coming up.
Really, Tundra, it feels like the only way they win fights is hiding around.
This is an opportunity though Tundra
They have to find something it's a pick-off
This game has gone away from them so some desperation smokes here try and find a single target pick-off
Who would be amazing?
Well, I mean can they kill him though? He's got a heart load as tight. I think he's untouchable.
I did not take that chance
Maybe he's alone, but if he's not you get white trying to go on that guy. You have no break or anything
Sitting on another ward in his triangle though, he's been there the whole game and he just
took the ults.
The two-man stun, spike, care, pace to follow it up for another two-man stun, white mod
can't get anything off, Ori, he's safe on the aphotic shield until he's denied.
As mid one runs him down with the drums, full supports gone for Tundra, and full supports
on the side of Maus, healthy.
Not to be touched by PCM's puck who did what he could, but ultimately he's got to get
out of there. The wards all in that trying to have ruined them. Now let's just go back
to it. Time and time again, I think every time they've gone there, it's been free kills.
It's also the Amateurs setup, right? He has been incredibly impactful this game. Early
use of the ultimate fear for the break, they do kill the Nyx assassin 33 once again trying
to interfere with the pugna, but what about the buildings?
You can go ahead and kill the supports
or disrupt them all you want,
but you've been dodging the Bristleback,
you've been dodging the Dragonite.
And instead, they just hit the buildings
instead of the heroes.
That's gonna be Megas,
Ake's gonna be used,
now you have to hit, boom!
Can't even touch him, man.
They put a small little dent into his HP pool,
which is easily healed by either the heart
or Stellarys heals. Good luck versus this guy. Perfect heart game. There's no physical
burst here. So to bring heroes down with all this heart regions, it's impossible. You don't
have enough anti-heal, you don't have enough burst damage. You'd have to shackle this guy
for 20 seconds, but nothing happens. Impossible. The next boom is going to get nullifier and
have level 25 so his his right kick like they can't hit him he's so tanky but
also cause a lot of damage with this right click oh yeah he's getting in there
and speaking of doing damage swift blink for the dragonite
you're still working on the Scotty the attempt at getting some sort of talk to
the heal restoration coming from the in a get more of it out of Scotty but so what
though yeah he still don't have the F you should get killed buddy
the only way you can kill people is game is some like divine rape your coil
It's kind of your only two, I mean that's got a remote to go through.
Yeah, don't we?
You just go down there.
It's the lowest net worth of the tundra cores, so.
Run it down mid.
Put this one to bed.
I already leveled 25 on the bristle.
Very close to 25 on the other two cores as well.
That's not good.
Catch him here, outside the base, here, hit by the ULFs, see if he can blink away, see if his ult last long enough for him to blink. Nope, too many stuns.
Really nicely played, tried to go for a manta dodge, doesn't really work against in-pale, so down he goes, and no buy back there.
They try and go for the Bristleback and returns, the only option you have, you have to take a play while two heroes of Maus aren't here.
You can see they're vastly out farmed 28 hours in the hole
No chance for them to deal with it
That's the mouse we expected in this year
Just playing their style with the image on one of his heroes like the Mitchell does the math of the fights
Given those kickoffs that kind of lead to some space being created for their their tricorps to come online
Then once that ball gets rolling man, it's just so easy to scale up to come and fix all the game plays it
So, very straightforward game to play past the 30 or 40-minute mark as long as you don't get steamrolled by Tundra in that early game, which wasn't really close to half.
Like, Tundra had some moments in these fights, they tried to force that fight behind the tier 2 mid, you know, looking back, it's like that was a very forced fight, but I think they had to do stuff like that.
To try and gain some sort of advantage with the early spell power. Just wasn't concrete enough that it translated into significant lead.
Dude, I think 33 had a great game, and he ends this game in 8-2-1-12, kind of impressive in a losing game, but ultimately, it's just...
Like, Beastmaster first pick, did it get punished? No.
Right, the Bristle got punished online, but they don't really have heroes to kill Bristle in the game.
And his nicks just ruins fucked Phoenix.
Even a bat, because a baton went Radiance, and he took the emulation talent.
He's just getting chain-perma-stunned in the fights. Like, every carapace that goes off is basically stunning two or three heroes, guaranteed.
It's brutal.
That means we're going to a Game 3 between Tundra and Mao.
The second Game 3, technically of the Dream League Season 28, as yesterday's tiebreaker
between Betmood Team and OG, also went the distance.
But this is our very first Game 3 of Group Stage 2, which is fitting, because all the
best 8 teams have made it through, so the competition should be a little bit more even.
In this Game 2, Mao's decided, those are a good way to win though.
Perhaps you get one with a little Nexus fast one, then you get a little DK, you get a Beastmaster in the very first pick, and then you just paralyze people.
And Tundra thought, it's okay, I'll get a badden, and that'll solve all the issues.
But Ted, my incredibly knowledgeable giga-brained co-host, saw the draft and immediately proclaimed it's a one-one.
Too much beef.
First human doesn't do enough, Puck needs too much to do that, anything.
Avedon is just sort of tanky and lives a lot, but I don't see him as damage potential,
compared to like DK, Beastmaster, in Bristol back, like, come on.
Are these beefy lads that not only exist in a fight, but do a lot of damage?
It's just too much, I mean, one one, all day, all day, every day.
Aden, specifically, you cited, there were four letters that you would associate with the Malus lineup.
Yeah, they are very tanky.
But I do want to show you something that you can do.
When you're low on damage, one of the best ways to increase your damage
is by outnumber your opponents in the teamfight.
And I think we have some clips that I wanted to show you guys
from a very early moment in the game where Tundra's just going to bring way more heroes to the fight
in order to ensure that they have damage.
So as you can tell, literally every single Tundra hero is here
and they're only fighting very few mouse heroes.
So this is one way to sway like your damage is advantage is just to make sure they just bring more heroes bring more numbers and
In that way guarantee that you have enough damage to get the kills you see Chris is eventually it's gonna TP end
But this is kind of what thunder does to
Work against that. I want to show this cool moment from pure again. He's being stylish
Toggle's office radiance for a TP's out. He knows this might come
Yep, and then next up we have a really cool moment from Chris Lewis where he blinks in and dives as Phoenix
It looks like a really simple play, but very often you'll see carry players don't take that step
And this is one of those things that makes crystals crystals and look at the payoffs look how fast they're hitting the building
Yeah, it's incredible
But they get two lanes of rocks and the Phoenix is up. This is gonna be a team fight
But because there's a fee that he gets that clutch Phoenix kill there
Just easy kills and this is one of like I will take crystals as like specific things that he does that
It's kind of hard to see the value of in a quick game and in the moment like that, but to rocks game here. We have
Finally at the end of this game I run back of the carry battle. We got to see
Chris pure handed to chrysalis earlier and
Here we're gonna see chrysalis get to like get him back. So pierce her to clean up this fight
It's not really gonna go their way chrysalis is standing strong big dragon in the middle
Here once again trying to be cool running away as a blink dagger almost up
But chrysalis is too good cancelled cancelled
They ended up getting a win, I'm liking this carry to carry head to head, it's a matchup
of two stylistically different carries, Egoisto on the side of Pure versus the reliable 9-to-5
clocking in clocking out Chrysler style carry.
I mean they're clutched in their own ways I feel like, and it is really hard to highlight
over the course of only like one specific game, but these are just some small moments
that kind of will show you like what kind of stuff they go for, like with Pure, Radiance
toggle or walk away from the kill whereas for crystals it's more about
these like this actually has very high game impact and he's willing to take
that risk of diving the Phoenix because the Phoenix's team is there that might
be disastrous you know Abaddon shields him it goes off he's in the middle of
their base you know and we're talking about what is crystals doing but when
it works it looks like that so not as flashy in a way because when it pays off
you just think well yeah of course of course he kills me that's the right
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like, everyone was there, that looks totally different.
Interesting.
In regards to your point about how when you have less damage, bring more heroes,
what do you do when it's 5v5?
You don't...
You bring 8 heroes?
No, you don't 5v5. That's the whole point.
So you make sure that you find them at a moment when they're not 5.
I see. So you just...
So you buy back with everyone and fight 10v5, yes.
That's 10v5, okay.
Yeah, right.
Now, but you try to find situations in which the enemy team isn't ready, right?
When you lack damage and you need to outnumber them, you...
you try to create situations for that.
Like, I think Spirit is like the number one team
when it comes to this.
And I've talked about this on panel
probably 10 times now.
And if we're gonna say it 10 more times,
but they will almost always push out a creep wave,
force you to TP somewhere to pick up the farm
and then smoke on the other four heroes.
And that way outnumber you and win a fight pretty easily.
So there are ways to kind of force those situations.
And in this case, Tundra just knows VK is low.
He won't really want to connect.
And they just take it and buy it
and try to get a bunch of kills.
I think the issue for Tundra was because of these situations where they're like diving,
they're using brew spot, they're using ag, they're using serpent wards, like everything
they have, they're dropping it.
What ends up happening is people get the kills, but then what?
You've used your serpent wards, you've used your soap and supernova, you can't just walk
into Roshan and take an Aegis.
So even though early game we saw them do really good engagements, and 33 had a great game,
he was 8'2 and 12 on his brewmaster, like that's a sad score to lose with, but they
couldn't translate any of their good plays in the early game into anything.
And as it played out, it wasn't because of a play issue, it was just because
that's the nature of their draft. They just had to wait for a badden to get strong enough.
And while a badden was getting strong, guess what? So was DK, so was Wristledback.
I guess that may be some of the idea behind the a badden pick is that while
Brewmaster is a little bit cooldown dependent, Phoenix is a little bit cooldown dependent,
Shadow Shaman, if you're taking objectives, is a little bit cooldown dependent.
Badden theoretically has minimal downtime and so if he is able to survive after a fight is ended
Then he can take the towers he can take the Roche and do things like that
But 90% of the game was on the radiant half them now
Yeah, I mean Abaddon is a good hero like if you just look pure hero to hero Abaddon is very good against Bristol
You're one of the few heroes I can remove go. He also uses stick charges very well in lane
Spam the shield get back going, you know every time something dies you get more shields
So if you have infinite mana from playing his bristle even better and
Good news DK to DK very much relies on his thumb to have high impact and fights
So when you remove that stun from him, he isn't as much of a hero
But when you look at the draft as a whole
Abaddon doesn't fix all the issues that they had from the first four heroes and that's kind of what like you said
I think that is where just ultimately these two drafts
matched up in a way that favors most
I don't know, Abaddon you see here that you picked a few patches ago and I was like,
oh god, another first pick, Abaddon, what do we do?
Every time I see this here right now, I'm like, I know you see Primal Roar, you're like,
great, this must be in a batting game, but when you see it play out, it just doesn't
do what it used to do.
And I think it takes long to ramp up, like people are mentioning how DK takes a lot of
ramp up.
And so does this here, I need to put back Farmin's Radiance, and it can't really lead
the team in the same way that it used to simply because the nature changes has shifted. You
have different kinds of supports. You have a different kind of offer, you know.
Yeah, I wonder if Pure is... In game one, we got to see this Beastmaster flex. In prior
rosters, Pure very much prided himself on how flexible the player is. Like, we'd see
him play carry Dawnbreaker just because he's like, oh, I can slot this into anything. But
But if you're 24th pick, I feel like you being the carry player, the traditional carry.
Yeah, and especially what Miru was saying about how the Abaddon needs to do all this time,
and yes, DK does need time, but when you hit 6th as DK, you can start doing shit like taking buildings.
And you farm really well and everything like that, so I feel like he's going to accelerate a bit faster than Abaddon.
And then he's a DK. I mean, the DK form seems to last about an hour these days.
Walking around, clicking people, it's crazy.
So I don't know, I feel like, all right,
you handled the Bristol Batboard.
What about these other two beefy burgers we've got over here?
It's too much, too much.
And the rest of Tundra's didn't really,
other than, I mean, honestly,
33's performance with Brue was fantastic.
It all kinds of cool shit,
but you need the whole package needs to come together.
I was also interested to see that in the game that Tundra won,
it was much quicker than I thought it was gonna be.
Oh yeah.
And I thought Mouse were gonna be the aggressive team.
in this team, that was a lot more aggressive.
And I felt like exactly what the other two over here
were saying, they're just on the other side of the map.
And that's what I like to see.
Liquid did that earlier today.
At no point would Liquid fall on the other side of the map.
They always need to be on the opposition side.
You've got something to do, I think.
Oh, do I?
Yeah.
Perhaps we all have something to do.
We all have to get to a game number three,
stick around, everyone, and we'll be back with a conclusion
of this series after the break.
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Welcome back friends, it's time to get into Episode 3 of Malzah vs Tundra where Aiden's
had his eyes on the carry to carry showdown.
What is Crystal's capable of?
What is Pyrrha capable of?
And how do they stack up in the eyes of you, the viewers?
Often times it feels like chrysalis gets the short end of the stick doesn't get to do all the cool flashy plays
But he still gets the job done. Yes, the Jedi versus the Sith, you know
Pure like being the cool Sith Lord gets to throw lightning and stuff. He's got the red lights. Yeah, exactly. Whereas
Chrysalis just gets like a boring blue lightsaber and you can push people. That's it. Well, you got force powers
Oh, you think Jared re-estates Lord? I think
Aren't they just the same?
Yeah, those are the two sides.
There's a Sith Lord.
There's only ever two Sith guys.
You guys are Star Wars noobs, let's not get into this.
Okay, can you explain?
There can only ever be two Siths.
It's like, because there used to be a bunch of them,
and they would just kill each other,
and at some point someone decided
there will be a master and an apprentice.
And eventually the apprentice always kills the master
and becomes the master, and then peeks on an apprentice.
And the master is the Sith Lord.
They're both Sith Lords.
They're both called Sith Lords.
I think so, yeah.
Are you sure?
I'm doubting myself.
I'm doubting myself, though.
But I hope nobody...
I mean, I'm not that much of a Star Wars character.
So Darth Maul?
Yeah.
He was a Sith.
Yeah.
Who was he then?
Palpatine was the master.
Like, uh...
So Darth Sidious...
Darth Maul got killed by...
Yeah, but then there's Darth Sidious and Count Dooku.
They're Sith.
No, so they're not at the same time, right?
So after Darth Maul dies, then Dooku becomes a Sith.
So it's a title.
I don't know what the Snip Lord is, but they cleared it.
Maybe the Snip Lord is the master.
This is a general term for followers of the Dark Side or a species.
Well, a Snip Lord is a high ranking master level practitioner of that philosophy.
So there's a higher ranking.
So it wasn't an odd question.
I don't know what I'm talking about.
Lord's moves will be picked and there's a tusk on the other side.
Yalmich is a support melee specialist who's going to be playing this tusk in this game.
What do you think of that, Effie?
I think Largo is a cool hero for Tundra in particular because I think they're one of the
They're one of the teams that first pick and I'm like give them x-links
It really fits our type of 33 as a player farm for 15 minutes play them up and then just
Group up if right packed was a hero. This would be the hero. It would be long
Reconnated
I do feel that it's a frontlier version of race
They should definitely release a set for Largo where he like wears the race mask.
You want Darth Largo as well?
Darth Largo.
But is he a Sith or is he a Sith Lord?
He's just supportive.
He's using healing powers.
I feel like that's Jedi.
He's a goody.
Look at his little face.
Have you seen him when he runs with a haste and you're telling me he's evil?
You know, have you heard about the Jar Jar Binks being a Sith?
I have theory.
Yeah, I've heard that theory.
Yeah.
I feel like Largo, to some degree, reminds me of Jar Jar Binks.
Well, I like Lago, and I hate it, Jar Jar, so...
I don't know if that's the case.
The froglings are like younglings.
You won't slay them.
What order is it? Is it order 33? Isn't that the order that they gave us?
I know it was order 66.
Oh, it was just 66? Well, that's two netters.
33 times two, exactly.
Two netters.
Now that we made the distinction, is Pyrrhus at the Earth's Lord?
Like, how do you perceive him in terms of...
He's the guy in the movie with the red lightsaber.
I'm scared now. I'm not going to say yet, can you stay calm?
in terms of the Sith and Dota, like the heels, you know, the villains of Dota, is he a Sith or a Sith Lord?
Well, what's the difference? Define it for me.
Ranking. Ranking!
He's a Sith Lord. He's a Sith Lord.
He's a Sith Lord.
So Parker, Parker's not the Sith Lord.
Parker is innocent!
Parker pleads innocent!
Parker is just mistreated by the community.
He's a misunderstood genius, okay?
What I just meant to say is because who's the real Sith Lord?
We don't know that yet.
The ultimate villain.
I don't know that yet. He's hidden in the parliament. There might be Ted for all we know.
What?
You're saying that Netta is the Sith Lord and he is training Pura as his apprentice? Is that the angle?
No, the angle is because I agree that Pura is the Sith.
But I was just wondering who the Sith Lord and Dota is. That's what I was asking you. I was just trying to gauge you.
I'm not going to reveal it. I'm not letting my master's identity out of the bag.
The ultimate Dota villain.
Does it have to be an active player?
Yes.
If not, then it's PPD, clearly.
He was a genius delighted to be a fit for it as well
He would love it.
R's PPD either wise.
Have you heard the tale?
Yeah.
It's not one that you would hear from Ortizzi.
I just, I vote for Parker.
Park, objection.
Overruled.
Set your argument.
He overruled it.
Overruled it.
It's been a real bad report.
Chen, DK, Huskar, Razor and Viper, banned out, Miles take out the Shadowfiend, the Tree
and Protector, and they did end up first phase banning the Beastmaster, which is why Tundra
had to go to that Alargo, along with Batrider and Invoker, banned out, a BZM Respect ban,
and Miles, yet again we're seeing a lot of support duos as one and two picks.
It's actually happened in all three games, and both teams that did this lost, and I want
to reiterate that I think this is usually a sign of the fact that you don't really have
a core hero, that you truly believe in, because usually you would start it online, you would
drop some bans on top of it, and then you would follow it up with the support on 13
that you really like.
That's like the scripted, very simple, basic way of viewing, drafting, that's the norm.
And it's always worrying, because then at some point you're just saying like, okay,
but let's take a support, it's fine, we don't need to reveal our cores.
And now you're 16-17, you haven't really gained any significant information, like tiny Phoenix
that come out as responses to your support picks, and now what?
You're still in the same position, you're picking cores against Lorego.
Yeah, I get you, the equation does not really change, so might as well get a core that you're
passionate about early on.
Yeah, and try to give one of your supports a favorable matchup potentially here, because
then you would see the enemy supports and then pick your support as a response.
I think this is partially just because we talked about this in game 1 draft, that I don't think they have enough core heroes to work with that they're comfortable picking so early in phase, like if SF is banned out, and Razor is banned inside of the draft, then what carry here for example, for Crystallis can come out early?
Right, so I mean it was like Beast they played boss game was kind of multi multi lane hero
I think dragon knight is a very good hero for them. It's been taken out again this time around and uh
It is tough. I agree with you. Dave mouse doesn't really have any
Of course they like wait, maybe SVG is a fifth lord
I see your brain is really churning on this one Ted. The thing is I don't think he raised a fifth lord because
be a four hero because you have the classic like phoenix into a stun hero that can save him it can
function in any capacity like it can lane with offering largo but having this muerta come out
bonnet team makes it even more flexible between the tiny and the muerta you don't know who is going
where well they're gonna put now is in a position right now or maybe they ban in a direction that
they weren't even looking at on tundra we have seen some tiny mate as i keep saying it's losing
So it'll be interesting to see if it does well, but where else could they fit it? Could it be 3Lago, 3Lago is the most...
Phoenix, Tiny, 5? Like, how does this play?
I think Tiny is like a, to me at least right now, kind of a fake Flex hero.
Because generally the point of Flex is that no matter where you put it, it will succeed.
And let's say hypothetically, Tiny was a good hero, which I don't really think he is.
He's only a good 4.
If he was a good hero, you'd still not want to play it into Bristol as a carry, so the carry flex disappears.
Right.
On mid lane, I feel like he has a specific hero matchup thread that he's decent against, and you don't see the enemy mid hero.
So, whatever flex possibilities exist for Tiny here, I personally, if I was Miles, wouldn't really consider them too much.
I would just try to treat it as a fork, because that's where the hero is strong, and just kind of look at it as a pretty straightforward draft here.
If I use the historical data, the most played heroes through our group stage 1,
33 has only been the Largo player, and he's played it 5 times, so probably offline.
BZN is the only person to have played Tiny on the team, and he's played it 3 times,
and Whitemon's the only person to have played Phoenix, and he has played it 7 times.
Yeah.
I mean, that's a...
That's where they can get you though.
For sure, for sure. Like, I think that's the whole point. Like, one in...
275,000 games they would flex the tiny mid and you have to be aware of that one game
But I think in this patch it seems like a very unwise decision
You've got a double melee lane you've got lago and tiny into gyro and wallop
Which isn't gonna be much fun. You know what's cool about double melee is gyro. You have a built-in spell shield on melee heroes
Yes, and gyro spams auto attacks on everyone
It's a tiny mid!
Yeah, because that's the most likely outcome, BZM's the only person who played it.
Is that what you said?
Yes.
I thought you said Ari.
No, BZM has been the one who played Tiny.
Okay, that's my bad.
I take back everything I said.
El Bozo, for me, I misheard you.
Yes, BZM's the most frequent Tiny player, Phoenix's the most white man, and 33 is always playing Largo.
This combo was really good last stream, Link.
I can tell you that much.
Call of Tiny, it was cooking.
Yeah, it really was.
And it's one of the things that really enables Tiny to...
Oh, sure.
Storm comes out for a mouse, and Midlan looked great on the hero,
and they're game for 16-ray.
He looks good on it in general, and it has a nice hero to play with.
It's got Yamato in the test.
The thing is, I can see the 5-man of Tungra happen really early on with this Flargo,
and Storm does not really like playing against these big oros and these 5-man.
When you zip in, and you just can't burst anybody and use all of your mana,
and they're still being healed.
That's really bad.
You don't want to force these 5-man situations, right?
You just want to play for picks.
And it feels like Tundra in a position to group up when they feel like it.
You want to share William Blitzley's theory on Storm vs. Phoenix again in Sania?
No, I want to hide in shame after my incredible mistake when it comes to the Tiny.
Well, good. It's fine.
And if you don't want camera time, perhaps I can shine a light on Darth Avery off in the distance.
Avery, you agree with this sentiment that Ted thinks that you might be a Sith Lord?
Is that what he said?
Yeah, we're picking out who's the Sith and the Jedi of the Dota player in Townpool.
Nice. Respect, Ted. Thank you for that.
He wears it with a bath of water.
Wow.
Oh yeah.
I defended you.
Oh.
Yeah, I did, but that's okay.
You said I was Jedi?
No, I just thought that you can't be a secret Sith Lord because you don't have bad intentions.
That's true, I respect that. Always look it up for me.
Who knows now?
Oh yeah. Fuck you, Ted.
New friend, better friend acquired.
Which is what a Sith Lord would say.
Exactly. My point.
With good intentions.
Exactly.
The first Sith Lord ever with good intentions?
I work in absolutes of charity.
I just want to quickly say something boring and literally related, but the last time I
saw Noz play they did end up throwing Yamaha on his quest with his carry, unarranged hero,
and then he ended up taking drinking buddies and he'd split it Rome and he played from
the 5th.
I don't want to see it this time around.
Just play the double melee lane with Vrissal and have Yamaha roam.
Like, do not give me Yamaha moving to 5th.
I don't want that.
I can't control it. It's up to them. Let's find out how they play out game of the spring.
Well, you are in luck, Effie. It is going to be a tag team damage, unfortunately.
You missed?
He leveled his shirt and missed first blood.
He looked shocked at himself.
What?
He was played for the shackles of Drinking Buddy's Tusk.
He was supposed to be able to roam around and make plays and he's already tripped over his own two feet.
I do like that he went to tag team.
Do he manage to tag team?
Don't tell me there's Drinking Buddy's nonsense.
Yes.
100% agree.
Hey, drink buddy's tusk with Jarcopter is broken, but like it's not their style. It's not his style
Hey, you gotta play to your strengths for some teams. It would be better for Malz. No
It I will refuse to believe it the flip slip side tundra got the frog
Hmm the flip side or the slip slide. It's true
We want the same items starting here triple gauntlet ring kind of interesting 33 really trying to min max abuses item
configuration. They also have the Caudal Phoenix again. Very similar lineup to
Tundra game 1. They have Caudal Phoenix with double heel Chalker amp behind a
mid-hero that's kind of designed to hold the fort down like that Ember was in
game 1. Not as good at doing it in my opinion but Caudal Tiny's can still be
strong especially with Solar Vines. And then you have like these two Sidelaners
who are semi-carries. I mean, Wyrth is a hard carry but maybe with all this
seal, you can play it a bit earlier. And I do like the idea of more with the Largo spell
amp up, that sounds kind of cool. It does sound pretty nice. And like game one, mouse
went back to the Storm Spirit for middle. There's a lot of like reflection across the
series here. But game one was not super fun. No. For mouse, do you think this one is different?
And how so? I give a slight edge to Tungo's draft here, I think I would rather play their
trapped. I'm a little concerned about the lockdown thermals. They have three cores. Between them
all do you have like some soft stuns on top of this vortex but nothing crazy. So there's a lot
of pressure on the damage to be your hard lockdown in this game. But they have to personal again.
I could see them becoming tanky. That said, Tundra have a lot more to cut through the tankiness.
More that will chunk you down to size, no matter how big you get, it's here with those
insane damage.
Yes.
Particularly these agility carries, typically, that blows them up.
I don't like the fact that Tundra are, once again, I thought Game 1 was such a beautiful
formula for the Phoenix.
I thought it was like a game that they built around the Phoenix, and now I feel like it's
two different games where I do not like the Synergy with the Phoenix.
I agree with that. It's kind of weird, like they did this stunning front-liner with the hotspot eighth ones Phoenix and it looks amazing and then it's just like dying like Phoenix 2 games in a row when those set up and no BKB version is done.
And why? It's just bizarre how much the ideas behind this hero have fluctuated in this tournament and in this series along.
And in which case you're playing more around fire spirits in supernova
And I don't think you have enough to keep heroes around the supernova
I think goes with the marita old
Yeah, you know right
It's like you want to keep areas in this area where the supernova's off and the marita's standing there in the middle of firing
her lasers and I
Don't think either team has great walk down this game. Yeah
But I think that's better for bounce. Oh, that's better for tundra first blood goes to heart
Blinding light damage buff over time right there.
You said it was better for who, Tundra?
I think the lack of lockdown is better for mouse.
Because of the storm mobility and...
Well, I think their heroes also do damage without lockdown.
Right, Priscilla back just runs down here, Sharacov just runs down here, Storm Spear.
It loves the game where nobody has them.
Well, yes, that's the question is, does any of that matter if Tundra just fall up with Margot Ag's heal,
Caudal heel Phoenix heel a more through can go into you know the shadow run like can you do anything?
This could be a hard game to get the damage out on the side of mouths particularly Yamich
Tag team in the blinding light fire spirits and avalanche owns this hero when he tries to blink in snowball safe
There's a calling
Like the only hero I like the image
Tux against in this game is the Largo because you can go and tag team destroy him
But I think the rest of the matchups are pretty rough like they really did punish this first big tusk
Which you have to do because he's such a beast on his hero. Yeah, if you don't he's just gonna play fine
Ari will get snowballed here
Blocked him out from being able to get to the bounty rune. Oh pushed away with a blinding light though
He's gonna be slowed down by the blood grenade and probably run down here
But at least he got the bounty rune, that's a pick up for him.
Boom meanwhile almost ticks down.
He's got some meals going on.
He wills through wide.
This top lane is just a straight ball.
You're gonna die?
Yeah, I think he's dead.
One fairy fire goes off.
Just missed that second one on cooldown, so...
He's gonna die here, they're gonna pull the wave,
and boom, we'll get the chance to heal up thanks to Celery.
Oh, they'll even block out and deal with the sentry here.
Very strong lane, Warlock, Bersalph here.
He just keeps healing up Bersalph,
he just keeps putting Quill stacks into them.
Phoenix is not offering you a huge amount over time.
It's a sustain, just a tough lane.
And I think this is really bad for Tundra,
because my counterpoint to what you were saying earlier
about the ball and everything is that there are two heroes on mouse.
Maybe the rest of their lineup isn't the best you feel with the ball,
but I do think Warlock, Bristol back.
Oh, yeah.
It's very good at doing so.
So if these two can get off to a good start,
then I think they can handle what Tundra are going to throw it.
Very good fatal ball on scan.
Yeah, if you can bonds Largo and Tiny to anybody else this game, that's gonna be enough. Oh god
I'm just on the last half second there. That is rough for mid one. That's really rough
He's very close to six now. He's gonna have to walk out from base might miss the power room TV
It's back in time, but huge kill for already get I think anytime you get kills with coddle
I don't know. It's like a second Christmas or something
Yeah, he's kind of like a phoenix than that we're talking about, like the fact that it
thrives off the experience?
Yeah, you really want to exp on this hero, but it's often one of the more typical things
to consistently find.
Sure.
Because you're either stacking early and then you get it later, or you get it in the mid
game by playing through some hero like Ember or something.
But to get it early is nice top, so he's got a couple early kills here, it's super nice
for his game.
We'll go to BZM
Could be a heavy stacking game for both teams like you really want to get stacks going for the bristle
So he can get some fast utility up. It's gonna be another pipe probably pipe lotus game for them
I expect kind of the same bill play comes in from behind on chrysalis who was left alone pull back in by the catchy lick
And he'll die here that combo is kind of nice
The lick pull back into fire spirits
You can't sit there and fight them and you can't really run, you have some stacking like
you have kicker stives slow on them in the middle of frog stomp.
I think all these little spells that add up to Vargo and when he stage are nice.
And that'll look even better when he has Solarbind.
That'll also be a nice combo for Vargo.
That's the other reason like the Tiny Coddle is a classic, you know, orbind.
That extra Spellium goes a long way in helping this Tiny find the kills, so that's where
So the Lotus Orb for Boom is gonna, like, another great Lotus Orb game, another amazing
Pipe game, BKB is super strong here for Tundra.
There's a lot of really good items that are gonna be able to hit, not 20 or 35 minute
marker, so that even if they're behind, can just turn the game, because if you get that
like one fatal Bonds with all these EHP items, you're just gonna blow the ball open.
It's hoping Wurtha is not super jacked.
It's not like the name of a disco album.
Super jacked, super jacked.
Trying to stop 33, but he's already hit his level 6.
He just plays a little shawng.
And gets alone.
Where'd him go?
Swapping his tranquil boots in and out once again gonna get phase boots after he's done with their tranquil boots for the lane
Seek it plans again, I guess
Because I was part of the efficient feet from
the Riga region
I go just selling it selling it back or whatever
I've I'm through mid one jumping past already two men. I have a land looks pretty nice
Nice.
Play the Bonds.
They'll help bring down Ari here.
Now, Boom is getting a little bit low, puts himself in the back of the Roshan, is like,
go ahead, hit me if you have to.
Pulled him out of the Roshan pit.
Now he's going to make for Runforth the other side to toss though, and he gets lumped.
What a starfight.
He's trying to steal some stacks.
Oh, the stacks, the stacks.
Nice dodge to the Avalanche here with the snowball, but there's a lot of heroes Yammer's fighting
into right now.
Tarkov's coming in though.
If you can land a good ultimate, you should just run down them where it's a dead shot to push them back, hoping for an ancient creep to nigh here.
Eh, we'll not get that chance. Tell her he ends up getting him off of the fatal bombs on the ancients.
If you're still bailed not, I'm helping you too much here in early fighting against Gyro Storm.
That is the downside for pure enjoying these engagements. In fact, kind of backfires against you there.
Really random fight that just breaks out in the river, not even over an objective, like a soft fight over this power room area, some minor stacks.
Ends up being pretty good for VZM.
Oh, he's cruising in this game, gets a tower last hit too early phase boots. Tiny's rich as hell man.
Yeah, I won one line. I did not have it.
Malus Tundra being one of my favorite matchups of the season. I did not have that on my list.
But it kind of is turning into it just because these two just seemed to brawl so much.
Get gold, I guess.
Yeah, got him.
BZM thinking about going back for it, trying to finish off Gavage Yamash. Not dead yet. Punches to BZM.
He says, you want some? You can have some, Frogstop. That won't finish him off. Maybe the blast will.
Nope, that's not good enough!
We just answered across the screen, mid one now to mana!
He missed the last hit on BZM, a blinding light, uphill.
He gets an amp damage, this tiny...
Just little things adding up for BZM in this game are making such a big difference,
and a perfect lick there from 33.
Pulls some powder shards plus this bill on bombs.
Mega value right there.
That's some good lick.
Mm-hmm.
That's interest now up 2k.
Smoke 33.
Interesting smoke in the bottom here trying to make a solo play.
He was cute.
They're trying to collapse on the gyro right now.
That's kind of awkward that he made that play as the smoke was coming to him.
Chris is now hiding away in the trees trying to dodge away from this place.
Any TP's gonna come in?
Nothing.
He's left alone.
TP comes in now but I think it's a little bit too late for Snowball's save.
He gets silenced as he comes in, no snowball safe possible.
Now, can you keep fighting?
Snowball goes out, hitting BGM.
Boom, trying to play distance.
He doesn't want to get too close.
Now, mid wants to make a jump immediately,
avalanche, into the dead shot.
Good combination.
Mid wants to help, these two for no but goes out.
Can they deal with the egg though?
I don't think they can.
Mid wants just going to have to use all of his mana
not to get a kill at all.
Boom, still trying to run down pure.
Oh, that final quills was just out of the way.
Now he's going to be dead shot back.
That's going to be trouble there on the other side.
Double A and after Auri as we go back to the corner,
finally Maus will get something out of this,
but it was not feeling good.
They lost a jar at the start and the frissel back at the end.
This is my condo right here.
Screw objectives, screw strategy, we're just brawling.
Hell, give me pure at the end of that, says Mid 1.
Six galvanized stacks, straight back up for him.
It's so weird because I don't feel like this is Tundra's
play style.
No.
Against any other team.
Like it's not their as flow team, but I don't think they would play this fast, but against mouths they just seem to be amping up the tempo.
That's such a good start on the timing, what's slowing their lineup down, right?
Yeah, just keep brawling, he's a super strong brawler, so does this Lardo.
Yeah, it's a very chaotic game.
Still...
Kind of okay outcomes for Tundra because their cores are getting so much out of these engagements.
Another power room for BZM, almost a blink. Blink will change it a lot.
Can't underestimate this tiny combo when it gets to 4-4 and he has the Chakra match behind him.
It's going to be pretty nasty if these type of skirmishes keep occurring.
Thunder did a nice job disengaging the storm there. Like, mid one had so much mana.
But what did you really get done with it in the end? I mean, he took pure at the very end, I guess.
But it felt like he got disengaged on pretty nicely.
Oh, yeah, perfectly.
Well, like, he...
He made an initial jump, he gets stunned on the avalanche, then deadshot.
Then he tries to push up to the high ground, there's a supernova in his face that he has to zip away from, and it's like...
Just so... such an annoying fight for him, it's like,
I'm so strong,
you have limited stuns, and then I just can't connect.
So, back to the farm, where it'll be early blade mail for Boom, not the Piper Loans rush.
Pretty interesting.
I mean, that... maybe just a recognition of what's happening in this game, like...
Alright, we're just gonna fight.
I'll build Blade Mill, I'll go in.
Not a bad Blade Mill game.
Accelerate, it's time to drop the golem.
We've been seeing golem drops off cooldown.
It's your turn, my friend.
Drop it on that mid tower, just go for it.
You're a bad influence.
What? I'm a good influence!
You're the devil on the shoulder.
But what the good play has been
Smoke to the wisdom shrine
They're gonna be jumping on this with a supernova
This is gonna be hard fight to take but there's a golden fatal bonds potentially at the same time
It could be very dangerous when TP's coming in boom
He gets low the supernova is gonna go off
They take the wisdom shrimp and it gotta get the hell out of here the general cops who's already dropping the ultimate missile chasing after him
Here's gonna hold the bridge, Phil. He keeps them away. They're gonna go back for BZM and the Phoenix.
That's no tough kill to get. In fact, Chrysler's gonna kick off with a dive!
Oh, no! Too much damage over time. They lose their carry despite the setup for the warlock.
It all goes horrifically wrong, as Tundra was more prepared to take the fight
on Maus' side of the map than Maus was.
Beautiful connection from all their heroes. I'm surprised they got everybody there as fast as they did.
And I... those were surprised as well.
Maybe if there's two or three, we're gonna be able to keep our Bristle up, but...
He just... compounded that fight into a Wisdomtron plus Teamfight victory.
Still had that tier one top, people are able to TP in, run to this fight,
and they're able to draw it up, which is the most important part.
They're... Tundra are drawing this fight into the reinforcements here.
They take the gyro out with a nice little tree, plus fire spirits at the end, and...
Yeah, you're able to pick up support here, but again, most of Midwans' mana pool
unable to get the real kills with it here.
Tundra's Leaf continues to grow here.
It's funny how when we talked about the ball, it starts on the two heroes that are good against the ball,
and they're the ones who live through the fight.
Midwana runs into 33s a little bit low. I don't think it's quite low enough, or maybe it is.
Maybe it is. DCM's gonna jump on him. Midwan is gonna die! Oh no!
Midwan, this is not the kind of game on Storm Spirit he's used to.
He's, I'm sure he's just confused. Like what, what is even happening in this situation? Such a weird situation.
Looked into an avalanche. We've all been there.
Yeah, we've all been there.
Is that like code for something?
Huh? No.
Well, you've got an axe on Lord Go.
And if you do, the ball was beating you before. Now that ball, it's become a fast ball.
You gotta watch out.
Really have to think about all the buffs going between this lineup in the ball.
The Chakras, the Crocogeniuses, the Heels.
The free pick-offs on Warlock.
Free pick-offs on Warlock.
They're a very chaotic game, but Tundra just gained a small advantage out of all these trades.
I mean, I guess it's a good thing Kristal's playing Gyro here, because at least your carry can always join the fight.
I just wonder if he's going to fall behind.
These fights don't go his way.
Yeah, they haven't been going his way. Now he's going to get ganked up.
He is falling really far behind now.
Now, oof, losing space on the map, the tusk will get out.
Look at the lines, look at those lines my celery is like.
Take control of something on our side.
This is, this is getting out of control, we need to slow this game down.
Own some part of the map.
I, I totally imagine celery being frustrated, that looks like a frustration draw.
Yeah, it was for sure.
And now you lose your storm by getting down to three galvanized stacks.
And this just feels like it's not midwins day on storm.
I don't know how else to phrase it, because he owned on this hero earlier in the tournament.
But he's just not vibing it right now.
BZM has done work in this game, from Laney FaZe through the chaotic teamfights, he has
the Chalker behind him.
RU level 13, just the second light of Octorine Core.
That is wild.
But it is going to do some insane work with the cooldown reduction plus Chalker magic.
Sippin' after Regen Rune, Midwan needs that so badly, and he gets it.
He's good enough to win the fight, though.
Burning out Yamich, doesn't have a way out of this, he snowballs in, and that is a one-way
ball.
I can't touch her, he's instantly connecting with everybody.
You have to be ready for the five-man T-fight.
Guns of Jiro Ultimate and the Gloom both gonna be dropped here, but the Supernova has the
response that makes sure that they can't just all in after 33 and 33 just keeps healing
up more and more and more mid one jumps on him he only gets placed on it mid one feels like he
can't keep the commitment going. Bulum is down with now keeps jumping in with his reach and got
dead shot though oh no he got an avalanche oh touch it just have his number that was a sick
dead shot though amazing dead shot that was really fast on that angle
That was a tough buy to watch your storm die.
And now, Tundra instantly into Roche because Largo can just heal everybody up.
There's the damage amp.
Damage amp for Pure.
You gotta feel for Malzah a little bit in terms of like, they give Tundra Largo, but then this type of game is the exact type of game that Largo wants to play.
I feel like you're just trying to beat him at his best, which I respect, but also might
be a foolish folly.
I wonder how the numbers work out for this bullbelly blitz from where to.
That's what I'm saying, you get the spell amp in this hero.
It's spell amp and additional magic damage.
It's good.
You're kinda crazy. This is by far the best carry with that.
He's dead. Again!
Are we not a fans of Aegis?
No. No Austin. Nobody wants Aegis in this game.
How did they forget about Aegis? How did they not do that?
There's a message that shows up when somebody picks up Aegis.
I just assumed someone took it.
What the hell?
Even Mouse would know.
Yeah, this is just terrible on everybody.
Yeah, I was just gonna go get the H.
What?
Oh my god, I mean, that's so bad.
I mean, that's the ultimate mental damage.
That is so bad.
If you're punch-run, you're just like...
I feel like that is...
Look, I'm not gonna say that was purposeful, because there's no way that was purposeful,
but if there's one player who would purposefully do that, it's pure.
Yeah, it's pure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's no way that was... that's... I haven't seen that in a long time.
Yeah, if Pier was to do that, he potentially would deny it.
But he would also say he did do it, potentially in the interview after the game.
He'd be like, oh yeah, of course, we just purposely left it there, you know.
So he's effectively going to deny it either way.
That's a great shard to get on this Phoenix, who's mega fat by the way.
Whitemon putting this dying light to use is how I think this passage should work and...
I, by the way, I was tanked tonight and I said he would shoot the Aegis.
Oh, that's also possible.
Which is a flashier way of saying I don't need this shit.
Well, the thing is the Aegis clock doesn't start till you pick it up.
So, uh...
Still four minutes on this free.
Uh...
I'm not sure how much an extra life I'm tossing it to do, they're certainly going to need
that here, it might need a spellball!
This is a disaster of a game for Mows right now, there it goes right in the chest.
Oh my god!
Is this game just a war?
What's happening?
This game was just brawling chaos for the first 10 to 12 minutes until Mows couldn't
keep up with Tundra at the ones at 14 minute wisdom shrine that was the fight
that broke them and now it's just Tundra all the way it's just tiny run into
whoever he wants killing them this is this is like a tiny legacy game right
here because all I've heard this entire tournament is how bad the tiny is and
this game he looks like an absolute god of course the the coddle behind him
makes a huge difference it does him snowballing the game getting power
Runes Wainley and all that makes a huge difference, but I'll show you the heroes still capable of
Doing some work. It's the right conditions of that. I'm not gonna say how likely it is those conditions are met on an average pick, but
He has done some work this game, and he has absolutely ruined that man's day
They will not enjoy this matchup in the slightest, after he's already available. I
Feel like he can almost avalanche toss you to another avalanche
It's very close.
It's gonna be like two seconds off or something.
Which is good enough because basically if you, you can avalanche
plus the guy at the end of the avalanche.
If he gets a dead shot, or lit, I think you might be able to avalanche him again.
Which is just pretty disgusting.
It's giving me a chock of magic goes through it.
Boom, slow down to a crawl, long inner for the rest of the tundra, TP in, bring the reinforcements in,
POO!
Yeah, that's Muerta for ya! Tosh back into Muerta is a little special.
You see them just walking into their base.
Yeah, why not?
Croco-Genius on Tiny's also a big day in the camp.
Yeah, that's nasty.
Oh, this was a beatdown for the smoke and pace and I agree with what you said like if you predicted
If you went into the series and said one of these things is gonna chaotically fight and beat the other down by 20 minutes
You'd say it was mouse doing it
Not the other way around you're supposed to be a slow farming team. It's like Tundra said we're gonna go blow for blow with this team
And by god they matched their pace and beat them out of it.
25 minute high ground without an Aegis.
Of course.
Don't need the Aegis.
Gonna need one hell of a fatal bombs.
Croke of genius.
Put it onto the Muerta.
33 amping up his damage, how's my not even come back for this?
Maybe the call you need BKB on Gyro before you fight?
I was gonna say DKB on Storm, but I don't even know if anyone's gonna go that
Well, where did it take some buildings pretty quickly
and
There is no tier 2 mid so what's stocking Tundra from going another round?
Not much they have all this this game. They need to stick around just have to take the plate
Did get the pipe on the personal?
So I'm all trying to say, I've got the toss back on the warlock anyway.
Just farming heroes in their face right now is...
They're trying to finish desperately any sort of extra item on these two other chords on the map.
They're just not close to it.
Gotta do something here.
Trying to get the Avalanche, trying to get the Punish. Neither one lands.
Alright, take out the BKB on the Gyro.
Gyro ultimate goes out, does a little damage.
Goes after Pure, Pure.
Ooh, got the Bristol back face in the wrong direction, almost kills him as a result.
Supernova to cover Pure as he backs away.
Now returns fire against Crystalus, whose BKB is going to be for naught here.
Everyone's full HP man. Too much heal in this lineup to poke and re-engage. You have to all in somebody.
Gotta just send it. Hope the fatal bonds backs you up enough.
Try again, Avalanche quickly kills Yemichi. He is dead.
An old pop from the where it's uh, got the toss on the storm shield as well means mid one doesn't quite die.
He's actually able to get the zip away. Look at Chris. Let's just get blown up by pure 33 marching.
Forward okay, he's done. Yep. Yeah, GG. He is called tundra taking three by storm. That was
Game was kind of close to put a little spike play. Oh, maybe you know miles are getting something, but I think the biggest difference is
that they did
Like all of those furnishes
The ECM is getting killed. He's getting his resource with pump back in with the chakra magic and heals
He's getting those power runes and this storm is not fighting anything. Even if everyone didn't die early on in those scrimmages
He's not building galvanized stacks. He's not pulling ahead. He's the last in net worth
And ultimately you need storms to be the position tiny's in that game to bring this lineup together that the damage to jump these heroes and bring
Them down. Otherwise, they're just getting healed up
Bargles a scary hero in
The right team's hands. I think this is the right team. We all theorize like is this a 33 hero? It sure seems like a 33 hero
It's good. It's especially good when they're willing to play more of these fighting semi-carries on pure, which I think they are.
100%. And it's really good when you can just go as a ball and have like one of the best horror users, positional horror players in 33 in the world.
You know where to be on this hero. You force the issue. Like he joined all of those fights this game.
Right? He farms, he gets his items, he's efficient, but then he's in all of those fights.
Yep, and he's rarely in a bad spot in those fights, so...
This is a really strong Largo team, it's not your average Largo team in it.
Mouse? Trying to take this hero head on it.
Ran into a brick wall, a frog wall.
Submit six.
He got frog stomps in this game three, as, uh, Mouse could not keep the pace up against Tundra.
29 and eight, and a 9-0-15 score for 33, he is, uh, cooking with this Largo.
A little bit of, uh, caged recipes.
And we're good to go closing out this game three
Largo tournament all into a roadkill as mouths go down in this series
It was a 1-1 split when these two faced off during group stage one
And it was a 1-1 split as we made our way through the beginning of this and it was split away from the ages after they
They kill Roche, but Tundra know what they're doing.
In the end, they claim the victory and claim the stairs.
That was great.
What a weapon.
We've had four stumps today, both the liquid games were stumps.
This was a stomp, the first game mouse stomped Tundra.
I think the middle game of this series was anyone that sort of looked a bit more even,
but even then it was pretty stumpy.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, to me, the series looked like we were at first pick, not a pretty good advantage.
Just the way the draft panned out and the heroes that they were prioritizing
leads me to believe the first pick between these two teams is like the most important thing.
So if we end up seeing them again in the playoffs, it's probably a lesson that they're both going to take away from the series.
Did what? Did you play Phoenix in every game there?
He did.
Fuck.
White man? White man.
White man? White man?
White man bringing us down or whatever.
Bring the Phoenix win right up is what he's doing.
So White Mon is a very good Phoenix player and this team, there are certain heroes that
when they get are going to look better than in the hands of other teams.
Largo being one of them and Phoenix being one of them.
And we bring up the White Man point that we bring up that point because Phoenix has caught
a few strays recently because they're having some bad Phoenix games a few days ago, but
it just looked good.
If you give Tundra the ability to hit a five-man timing early on in the game, like that Largo
group up minute 15, then you're already making the game really hard on yourself, right?
And picking Storm Spirit into a draft that they're gonna 5 man in.
I'm not sure what the idea was there, maybe they felt like they could play the map, maybe
they felt like the lane could go better and then they could play off of pick offs or forced
bat engagement somewhere, but it didn't work out.
Also, I think the Warlock being picked into the lago is strange.
I don't know how you feel about that.
I feel like in many ways Miles' picks aren't really addressing Tundras in this game, but then you really think about it like I
Feel like Largo you need high like burst damage against you don't want to feel slow damage
And I feel like that's kind of what Warlock does in some ways or he has like slows that Largo doesn't really care about
Yeah
Same thing with Storm and Titan was picked as a counter to Storm like in the past
It wasn't really considered like a very storm-favoured matchup when Tiny is good in the meta
So it's just a lot of it didn't really like seem like they seem like they kind of just picked what they know and
Like I said, I just think it seemed to me that when you're on second pick a lot of the heroes that you want to pick are just banned out and
Therefore you're kind of listed no really nice options and they end up just picking like Tusk Warlock, which are heroes they like
But the time in the draft when they picked them
they would have rather have had DK or something to actually build your draft
route.
Right.
I mean, Maz reminds me a bit of Entity, not in terms of how they play, but in terms
of how every single one of their players feels like a specialist.
Like, when I was looking at their hero picks the other day, all of them stuck to five to
six heroes, at most.
Like, it feels like everyone has something that they like, and if they get their heroes,
they do really well.
And then if they get their heroes in bad situations, they do poorly, and if they don't get their
heroes at all, they do extremely poorly. So that's probably something that they know,
and that's why we saw them today trying new things, like bringing out that Kaz on Chrysalis,
trying to see if they could add in a new hero. And maybe over the next few months we'll see
them develop their hero pools a little bit more, but they are in a position where it
seems easy to draft against them if you do your homework.
That was a deep cut team reference. Yeah, I was kind of saying. What a pull.
Because I was thinking about which teams, because it's like when you click on the stats
page and you see them. It's like everyone's just got five heroes. It's been a long time
since I've seen that. So I was like, who did this to me in the past? It was, it was Entity.
They did this to us. They had like four heroes each, but we all looked really smart on their
draft.
We're like, oh,
I think it's going to be StormStor and Voker.
I'm just going to pick Invoker, pug, you know, like, that's fine, but carry on.
Good pull. I like it.
Maus are trying to increase their breath. And now that it is safe in group stage two,
This is the opportunity to take advantage of the fact that it is a league of dream league.
How often do you get these many officials where it's not life and death on every single
series?
You get a little bit of breathing room.
Yeah, best of three where you can just learn a lot.
You've got tons of games left to come, so that's positive.
I do feel like maybe you could ban the Phoenix when you're playing against white one.
I don't know, I'm just putting it out there.
Maybe there's other stuff you needed to ban, but try that out.
You do realize the discussion we were having that white one is good on literally every hero.
Yeah, but you could ban that too.
You've just lost every hero.
Just ban it. Just ban it and try to make it in play something else at least. Otherwise he's super in the comfort zone.
Maybe ban the frog. That's very strong. Maybe ban the frog. Just some thoughts.
But then maybe you let the beast master do this all kinds of problems.
This is what Tata's saying is usually how the process goes in the team environment too.
You're like, well, we can't figure out an answer to this. Just ban it.
And then you're like, okay, so which one of our bans will we drop?
And then you look at it and you're like, do we leave Largo? Maybe not Largo.
What about beef? Mmm, name it not beef. They play it on three lanes, it's really hard to play against.
Well, what about one of the meta picks like SF or something? Well, it appears pretty decent SF and like...
That's fair.
The hero is like kind of broken and then you quickly come to the conclusion of like, so what do we like against Phoenix?
It all loops back around.
Kind of, yeah.
No, but I think Tundra, honestly, one of the cool things with S tier teams, or tier 1 teams, or whatever you want to call them, is that they have this ability to grow through tournaments, and they process the data that's given to them extremely well.
And I feel like they kind of set up in my mind two draft plans. They are in positions where I think even before that games begin, Miles is forced to make difficult decisions about which areas you want to ban, which areas you want to leave in, and how to actually deal with them.
them. Largo in this game and in game 1 I think they gave up beast. And it's just like, it shows to
you how solid Tundra's foundation is that they're building off of. And they just banned perfectly
around the heroes that they got. I'm curious how much emphasis there will also be on this idea of
the first two picks being supports? Because did it lose all three games? All three games. All three
games of the team that chose supports. Yes, and I think like I said it's not necessarily that the
the supports are bad, but it's rather the lack of good core picks that you could spot
in those positions is a signal that I get when I see this kind of drafting.
And for this matchup specifically, I think it was quite problematic.
Sometimes it's less of an issue.
And we will be getting an interview soon with one of the winning players.
Who do you think he's going to get?
I have an inkling about it.
Okay.
If it's Whitemon, I really hope he says hello this is Whitemon when he learns the call.
Oh, I love that sweet boy.
Yeah.
You guys want to reignite a discussion we had in the green room about the 14 minute wisdom runes?
Because Kata was asking opinions of professional players how important it is to bring five heroes to the 14 minute wisdom rune fight.
And since we're waiting I figured, do you want to give the answer?
I mean, I said, I think I said...
The 100% was because it was a very fair answer.
Yeah, I think at Tad's MMR, which is around like 8, 7K, people don't really do that much.
So it's worth fighting for those because it's like a way to get your team to group up.
It's something it's an objective for people to do.
And Quinn quite quickly said the first and high MMR games or like in pro games,
the first seven minute one is really important and then it quickly kind of fades off.
And the question was raised, is it worth propping whatever you're doing to go secure the wisdom runes?
And the answer I guess is for the 7 minute one, I agree with him, we feel like you kind of have to, you don't have a choice.
You will be too far behind if the enemy team gets both.
Yes.
14-1, as a support player, it's very nice, because it's like it bumps your game forward, but it's not as game breaking.
It's not whether you're going to hit 6 at the minute time or not, in the same way.
The reason I brought up the discussion was because in this game in particular, there was a big fight at minute 14 that made you ask about it.
It does feel like that was Tundra's first game winning move, when they brought everybody there and they just bullied Maus out of that room and got the kills.
So how do you make that assessment in Frodo? Do we just run away? Largo's coming, it's minute 14, everyone's set up to fight.
I mean it's sometimes it's more about the fact like let's say you've committed time into like we want this xp room
For miles aside and then thunder is like we really want a good fight
We want to find it out number five. We want to find any sort of fight
That's like in our favor and thunder recognize that like yeah
They're gonna be on this xp room because generally speaking someone's gonna be there
It's the same concept of why we talk about pushing out waves
it's it's creating opportunities where you can find good fights in your favor and
The same thing happens there on the room
We're trying to acknowledge that and they know that if we take a fight right now with all of our timings being hit
we're gonna be able to snowball the game and
That's kind of what happens. It's not always that you want the xp room so much as you want to fight you want to
Push your advantage you want your heroes to clash against theirs
So if I may a picture the scene it's 28 minutes into the game
Okay, probably about to take a big fight
So warlock who already has a grimoire bear in mind this okay decides to TP away from your team to go and pick up
the room you don't notice this and then the walk has gone off to get your room
and you're like I'm sorry another room the brain room whatever you guys the
brains yeah the wisdom charm whatever it's like you are about to take a fight
yeah we're literally discussing it we're like we're gonna have to blah blah blah
are you stopped yeah we're ready okay and then your warlock keep ease to the
opposite side of the map to go get that brain room and you're like where were
you's gonna get the brain room every time drop everything I've got to go the
We're pushing high ground you look around he's going to get the brain. Name drops out. Who's doing this?
I'm in shades name and shame my friend Paul Paul, please stop. I beg you
Paul you always say it's correct play it is not I have professional players telling you know, please Paul Prince
I would like to send a message to Paul Paul
Please stop. Oh, thank you, Layden
That was nervous there. Oh
Keep up the good work. I was really worried. He just say pull whatever you do. Don't stop
You just know in Ted's discord right now people are clipping this
Ready to just spam it
We rattles if you watch it, please clip this so I can put it on the other discord and show pull
You know it's the chat right now. It's just Paul stop
Let's shut the fuck up flax one of the two. This is like your your guild wars friend Graham, right? Oh, yeah
That was that got passed around a lot. I know the worst community. Yeah, they really appreciate about one
He actually ended up making a character called Graham the problem
You gotta embrace that.
Yeah, he did.
You gotta own it.
He totally did.
That's funny.
I will embrace the fact that we're having some technical issues on the interview, so we
will not be able to get a hello guys this is Wydemond.
Instead, however, as a cure rolls down my cheek, we can take a look at the standings
and see where we are after two series of Dota have been completed.
And is this the first or the last time?
No, I have the wrong clicker.
You want to hear?
Lekwad!
Is it this one?
No, I don't know.
No, I don't have the button either.
Is this the first or the last time that we're going to be seeing a team with popping?
Let's go, Liquid.
The call is an enthusiastic hand.
I bet you were.
How did you guys feel when your chance got ripped off?
By who? Everyone?
It's not really theirs.
That's what people tell me.
I said that like yeah, cuz I think gaming no no lucky falcons falcons. Yeah falcons copy the chance
But it's just a US sports chart. Let's go
Celebals, you know, it's like that. Yeah, but I feel like any sports is kind of ours or liquids. I'd agree. Yeah. Yeah
I remember when we were in
Like the EWC event where the crowd was like very falcons favored
I think that was like the first time I really heard Falcons have like a big crowd and I know like Skeeter made some remark about like
Don't be sad that the crowds on your side for once
I usually feel like you know we had a lot of crowd support and it's cool that other people get some too
You know storied org with a long history a lot of fans. Yeah a lot of great players of pay for it
Of course, and all this well all these chance Ted
I hear that there is a great place where you at home could have the opportunity to do some of these chance
Yes, if you like crowd interaction if you like sinking a few pints with your mates and watching some boats if you like
Good vibes and chill people
Birmingham is the place. I've been there. This would be the fourth Birmingham
I will have been to if I make it. It's fucking great
Charles you gonna be in Birmingham
No, he won't be there even
Reason to go to Birmingham couldn't get any better news just better and better and better
So, ESL-1 ESL-1.com.com, you can get your tickets, get your tickets.
It's a great crack, three days of bands and it's all, it's all in the UK, it's wonderful.
I love it.
So yeah, Birmingham, please come, please come.
Because I get to see you there and you get to see me and we have a great time.
And all of some of these guys will be there too, not trolls, not syndrome.
You needed more reason just to, and to clarify that means, Sun's Fam won't be there either.
So things are looking up already.
You will, however, get to hear them on your next cast, because we are getting into the
second half of the day, our first day of a Group Stage 2 action, Aurora vs. Party Vision
is our next series, and that'll be live after the break.
No power, no pizza, no packages.
Thanks, Razor.
Honestly, the big time dudes to keep the lock very bright.
What happens when a hero dies in Dota?
Well, it's subjective, much like the term hero.
You see, in Dota, heroes are not heroic, they are simply powerful beings doing big things.
Beings with the wit, strength, and skill to do more than any common creature, which can
come from anywhere, from a beast to a god, as they have the power to dynamically change
the living world.
But what about the non-living world?
Where does a hero go when they die?
For those powerful enough to shape the universe around them, their afterlife is dependent
on them, and a sinister force that pushes them to their chosen fate.
But we get ahead of ourselves.
Let's go through the post-mortem process of a hero to better understand that vile thing.
We can use a pseudo-random example.
Now there's an old story of a young man, Eons ago, who, like many heroes, sought power
at any cost to defeat his most hated foe, of being made from the peasants of the validity
of the weather.
Now maybe he hated the old Storm Spirit, or the same reasons that ThunderKig became the
new Storm Spirit.
Or perhaps it was for the desire to control the elements like Disruptor, maybe just a
lust for power and wanting to become a god like Zeus.
For the reason, the mortal made it his mission to destroy the Storm Spirit, and to do so,
he made a deal with the Devil.
You see, what lies beyond the mortal coil of heroes is not really a mystery.
Demons from the Seven Hells pop up all the time in the mortal plane.
I mean, hell, ghosts might help you lift cargo if you pay them.
Those that attend to these matters between the living and the dead are a collection of
beings known as the Court of Restur.
Mostly demons, some other creatures, this powerful group acts as the intermediary between
souls in their eternity, and they run it in a very particular order.
Let's go back to that Shadow Shaman corpse.
Now first, a hero dies from who knows what, typically, you know, gangs.
Perhaps they are visited by death itself, the Muerta, or maybe that's just what happens
to their lesser beings, it's not really clear.
But the hero's name is written in the necronomicon, the Book of the Dead, and they must traverse
the narrow maze, a seemingly endless labyrinth which walls are lined with blades and filled
to the brim with pitfalls and challenges.
The court would watch souls pass through it, and when a soul finally reached the end,
they would arrive at their own eternal fate.
Now what that fate is, was determined by their journey through the maze.
Would they be damned to eternal suffering, or cast into the light?
Would they venture into the Nothal realm where darkness is light, or would they be caught
in the purgatory for souls that couldn't find the exit?
Now for some, like the Wraith King, who refused to pass on to eternity, or Lion who had escaped
the hell and the maze several times, the ultimate goal was light.
to others, revenge is worth eternal damnation.
And so the deal was struck.
The hero left the court of Ristul,
brimming with a demonic exo-plasmic energy,
and then was unceremoniously slain, and quickly returned.
Now what kind of man would trade eternal damnation
for power in their short mortal life, an angry man?
He was the answer the court of Ristul had been searching for.
Who wants to watch souls slowly make their way
through those halls, solving puzzles and proving their feats of strength.
Yeah, a real daemon needs a little entertainment.
With a new direction, thanks to the brother of the Queen of Pain, Pakora the HELL, the
court had decided to be less bureaucratic and boring, more reality TV, indulgent, exciting.
But to make the narrow maze entertaining well, Souls would need some motivation.
The hero's mind was erased, leaving only hatred and cruelty.
Fueled by rage and failed revenge, he lashed out at passing souls.
Using ectoplasmic rays, he hunted running spirits, chaining them with lightning and sapping their will to fight.
The maze became a place of panic, souls fleeing his cackling laughter towards any escape.
For any exit would be better than being caught by the one they called the Razor.
For eons, the court watched the narrow maze as souls fled in terror,
Yet even they were shocked by the fate of those the Razor caught.
But that was long ago.
Now, in the midst of their weakening power from the Queen of Pain's Revolution,
the court arrived to the maze only to find the lightning reverence did not appear.
Traces of the void were found, and they soon discovered that their pet
Razor was unshackled by an equally powerful being, the Void Spirit.
But why, without Razor guarding the maze, could the dead heroes now escape and come back to life,
aka respond, unfortunately, we still know very little about Void Spirit's preparations
for the Great Confluence.
But deep in the realm of the Void, Razor prepares for his inevitable rematch with a rival that
he once hated so much he traded his very soul and mind for the chance to defeat him.
And that reunion is sure to shock this realm and all those beyond.
This is the afterlife.
Ah, good with it.
I hate the party.
In other words...
Oh
And I am, with all the joy, I love
Every one day, I wake up, I want you to look
Now it feels so right, it's too deep
I don't know what I'm thinking
Changer, it's all right, just a turn
Do you think so?
Changer, waiting for you tonight
Baby, baby, baby, baby
They say it's so hard to find Someone special
You walk in spelling around, I'm flowing down, down to the top
Every morning, every day, I wonder what time it is to wake up in the morning
Once upon a time, there were eight teams in Dota 2.
And in just eight days, there needed to be only four.
Whoa! That's brutal!
Now that's what's happening right here!
Day one of the second group stage is live!
You are watching Dream League Season 28,
and it's time for the second hour of the day!
Oh, yeah, that's good.
This is not what you were reading about.
Yeah, well, this is...
Definitely.
You just have to translate it.
Oh.
Yeah.
Do you read this sentence?
Can you spoil the ending?
Yeah.
Liquid.
Liquid? Losing.
Oh, one game.
They lost one game in the Grand Finals.
It says actually that there's a lag at PC issue
and the Grand Finals never ends. It's a never-ending loop.
That has happened. Maybe this is an old addition.
Oh, you're right. It says Spirit. This is from Dream League 27.
I get it, 25, yes, 25, whatever.
Thank you though, thank you though.
Of course you're watching Dream Lake.
That's the only place where we just randomly cover a table with foam,
because we have a job, and I know you all once talk about Dojo.
We are going to watch Aurora for its Paravision,
which is super hype actually, because both of these two teams did very well in their group stage,
and they also tied against each other, so this is going to be a cool series.
But, before that, actually, Perch, would you do the honors?
Oh, no, I can't read very well.
Yes, you can.
Lee and honor to Caprio da Vinci Bolognese.
Work together with your teammates to create a masterpiece.
You've been commissioned to paint a scene of any Dota hero of your choice being ganked.
Which chat will vote on which team's gank painting is best?
An exclamation point.
An exclamation point?
Yeah, yell the whole thing. Oh, sorry
Lead honor to Caprio da Vinci Bolognese work together with your teammates to create a masterpiece
You've been commissioned to paint a scene of any go to hero of your toys being gang
Push that will vote on which teams game painting is best
like the voice that like you're
Narrating a trailer
This is not going to work together.
If you find out what happens, find out what happens.
But a bunch of people who don't know how to paint, paint,
write a paint.
Well, we got a massive, massive, massive.
Thank you.
Massive.
Oh my goodness.
Righto.
Is that bigger than the other one?
No, it's the same size.
Both are equally large.
Wait, wait, wait, I got a joke.
I got a joke.
She said, what am I, Purge?
Redacted.
You're a square.
Redacted.
I'm redacted.
It's glass usually, but I'll try.
So, I have an idea, and I heard that the paint does dry
in about an hour if you don't lay it on too thick,
you know, with big loops.
If we just have a little bit of a background,
because the previous team did very well, I think,
but they didn't have a background.
I think that's something that could really
pull everything together,
and even if our painting skills aren't as high
as the morning shift,
I feel like we can win some points back
based on the background.
Okay.
Agreed?
What, I mean, I guess we should look at the colors
of paints and decide what background to use based on that. There's not much green.
No, there is not much green. So the...
You should do dire, maybe.
Yeah, well, we can just do pass. So, you know, you do some brown because you're on the lane,
some trees in the distance, which is also mostly brown. You can get green, and you can
mix green with yellow and blue, so that's fine.
I'm just worried that we're not going to be able to correctly do a perspective with the
background, that's all.
That's fine.
I use the big art school words.
perspective isn't really an issue that much because you can just make everything be up close.
Okay. You don't have to make things disappear into the distance. All right. Well, one time I
took a wine and paint class about 10 years ago and if we could just slightly change the color
variations as we go top to bottom, I think it would add, it would make it look cooler.
The top half would be like the horizon and the bottom half would be like... I have a request
for production aren't they're not like a plate where you can mix things like
somewhere where you can have the colors so you can put it on my hands Q cards
would be my other solution here I have this one Leonardo DiCaprio
there's a yellow but doesn't mean that you kind of know how you would mix and
match a sandy ground with a tree background no we just hit the extent
to my knowledge. You took a course. Yeah. No, I took a one hour class where I was drinking
alcohol at the same time. There's a lot more wine than anything. And they told us exactly
what to do at every step of the way. You think I put that in my memory banks? No, no, they're
not. They're definitely not. I was painting my numbers. Do you paint a bigger mustache
on me? Do it like a French spinning spiral mustache.
I do this. Yeah
You say something in front feels nice we
Let mustache leave mustache. You should have gone before we went on panel. Um, so uh, Ryan
I know I know you we but
But you believe I have something actually smart to say that actually pertains the dough to you know, that's painting
That's all about perspective. She's as as a purge was saying actually for today's series
I did watch the one one that these two teams had and I thought there was an interesting picture that they painted a story that they
Told you might say
From those two drafts. I want to look at the two drafts first
Then we've got some kind of clips to put you know illustrate the perspective of both teams
This is Aurora versus party vision from the group stage one
so what happened was a rural one game one and
party vision one game two but in both games Aurora picked a relatively early Largo pick and
and ParryVision effectively tried to pick a lot of mid-game burst and damage.
So the first game they had slaughtered AA, the second game they immediately responded with TA,
and we've been seeing a lot of Largo Core with that axe timing,
and I want to talk about the importance of that axe timing and how it played out in both these games.
So let's go ahead and pull up the first clip, which is from game 1, that Aurora won.
So let's go ahead and go into that, where we're going to see a nice Roche fight.
Spoilers, there we are. This is Paravision trying to force Roche before the Largo
Ags comes out. It's about 17.5 minutes in, but as you see he just got it. So
they're gonna stall a little bit while Largo's connecting on the map. He's not
here yet. Nightfall creating a lot of space with Medusa. They're gonna bully
them out of the Roche pit and then we're gonna fast forward a little bit into the
game where now they've got control of the Roche pit just like 30 seconds later.
Nightfall's taking it, you see the Largo behind.
The power of the Medusa in this game is that it offered a frontliner where Largo's not the tank.
He's allowed to just sit in the back, and the rest of his team can kind of body for him,
and they end up wiping ParryVision here, and then clean sweeping the game from there.
But then we're going to see the difference that happens in game two, which is Largo at 16 minutes
doesn't quite have his Ags yet, they have a larger lead on ParryVision's side,
side, and they're actually going to set up a gank on him using their shadow demon TA combo here.
TA, we see these single target physical damage heroes being really strong against Largo because
that heal just doesn't do enough, and then they end up taking him down and they punish this exact
window that they lost to in game one, where now that Largo doesn't have his axe, they've got a
sizable enough lead, they end up taking Roshan on the side of Parry vision around the exact same
time in the game. So we fast forward, we're going to see a fight play out as Aurora, despite
not having that Largo Axe, despite him even being dead right now, they are going to try
to contest. So it seems like both these teams really care about this first Roshan at this
exact period in the game. And the difference maker in this game was that Largo Axe timing.
First game going in favor of Aurora quite handily in the second game, completely flipping
on its head. And Perry Visions favor. So today, for today's game, I'm going to be looking,
Do they pick Largo? Is that the reason that they're fighting so much at Roche, that mid-game timing around 17-20 minutes? There's the Roche, there's the Tormentor.
My eyes are strictly on that portion of the game today.
I definitely agree with you that the crucial parts of the games right now are certainly pre-20 minutes.
Teams are carrying so much about the Tormentor timing that those five minutes before are all like,
can I fight at this tower to make taking Tormentor easier? Can I control Roche to get ages to make Tormentor easier?
So that's definitely something I'm identifying other teams doing as well.
And if you watch this Fini video, which I believe is one of the OG players in the interview,
like he said, he made this video basically about taking Roche at 17 minutes and how if
you do that around that time, it's likely that Roche is going to spawn on the same side
again, which is the radiant side.
Oh, that is important.
Yeah.
So it is something teams are thinking about is like, when they're taking Roche, what
side is it likely to spawn on next time where they are likely to still have control of that area.
So if you're playing with the radiant outpost, you're more likely to have Roche on the top side.
So you want to kill it where it's going to respawn on the top side again.
Quick quick quick question.
Are we okay doing the brown like as if we're right next to a tree right here so that at
least we have the whole side being one tree and that whole side so the lane is in the middle
between the trees? Are we doing dire lane or doesn't matter the trees brown?
Are we doing like bottom half is like ground and top half of sky?
Yeah, but that's fine. And if you're talking about perspectives and having a tree on the side, it's closer in view.
I feel like we should do trees once we have the base layer to paint on.
Like we have a lot of painting to do because we have to do all the base layers.
Yes, but I also heard that you can't do a background anymore after you've drawn your main subjects.
Can't do a background anymore, but you draw the background first.
Yes, we're drawing the background now.
So why is there a rule on it?
Should we start with this thing like you can't effectively put a background behind something that you've already paint like it's too difficult
Yeah, so the background goes first. Yes, so should we just start with grass?
Why don't we start with grass?
No, no, you do like you do like a large solid
We're talking about doing solid colors because we wanted a background, right?
Yes, you need a base color first. Yeah sky base color. They can have small variations
Routers make it look nice. Yeah, and then you paint yourself just on top of it once that
We do the ground being brown because dire has ground brown. So you want to just do
Which side do we want to be top? Which side do we want to be this side?
I think this is the top, this is the bottom.
Okay, so we're gonna paint this bottom at least like half as ground?
I would say so.
Yeah, or in the middle.
I'd say a little less than half would be my gut.
A little less than half?
There's gonna be like trees coming out in hero models, right?
Yeah, so do it like here.
Or here.
Or do it in the middle. That's fine too.
Yeah, I'd say half or a little less than half either one.
Speaking of ground, primal beast of course.
Stopped the ground, she stopped her at 20%.
Excellent ground pound.
So if there's too much sky in the top half, the problem is that we can't put hero models up there that aren't big.
Well, we can put flying heroes in the distance.
We could, yes. I feel like we should do at least 75% as ground.
Flying heroes? Do we know what the gank is?
No.
We can make whatever gank we want.
But we can do that after we decide on...
The background actually.
My feeling is 75% about it should be like stuff we could put heroes on.
I think that's too much. I think a half.
But if we do half we can only put really big hero models in the distance or flying models
So if we use a path of it, maybe they out from it
Yeah, but we can I'm saying 75 would give us more space to work with that's all both would work
I think how about we do 69% it's right in the middle. You know what I can get behind the 69
Can you go behind the stick?
I trust you part you guys paint Brian
If you want more brown analysis, whatever colors that I put on that one.
A little variation is fun and nice.
Yes, I agree. Do you want me to just put more color on there?
Load me up, Sheever.
Alright, let me talk about the draft.
How I think about J'Kiro and Insania has said this a few times on the panel, so it's nice to be validated in this.
It's just a filler hero. It's not really something that...
It's not treant level overpowered. It's not overpowered here. Like you know you're gonna get something that's solid
That's got a laning that's as decent scaling good fast tempo early game
But it means that you want para vision to if you're a roar reveal more about their draft before you're
Picking something that matters or banning out these heroes
Before you pick something. Yeah quick things purge purge if you do it thin which you are already
But it has to be thin because otherwise it doesn't dry in time.
There's a larger fry.
Sounds good.
We'll just get Jenkinsable on it.
I just want to say this is effectively like a best of five continuation
because what happened was they picked Largo in game one, like I said, on Aurora.
And then I think the main reason that the Largo was a problem was because they had Medusa
that was also really hard to kill.
So they had like two targets that they had to focus,
but then Medusa makes it really difficult to focus anyone else because of the nature of Stonegaze.
So what happened was Aurora got Medusa and then in game 2 part vision banned Medusa
But gave them Largo so they're like Medusa was the problem and now Aurora lost to TA last time
They picked Largo in game 2 and they're like no TA was the name and the TA they ban T
So we kind of have like this
Like both teams think that they've identified what the problem is what the problem is but it's not the Largo like it's interesting
It's like Largo plays the key piece of it. But yeah, I want to say something about
I remember there was one tournament, I think it was like Fissure Universe, or maybe Fissure
Playground actually, where they were kind of forcing the Kez, and I remember talking
to no one about it, because he lives in the same building as me, we were getting coffee
one day, he told me he was like, yeah, he told me he was coffee order, yeah, yeah.
I actually do go to coffee with him sometimes, that's a very weird friendship to start as
a joke, but he was telling me basically they were trying to force the Kez, and he felt
Like that's why they were having some issues and of course they have wonderful like team psychologists and
Reload
Oh, that's me. Anyway, uh
Basically, I'm very happy that a pair vision like stuck to their gut of
Trusting Satanic when he wants to play this hero like patch after patch they change Kez and they still
try to figure it out and because it has become clear at this point that the
problem was not the kez for that tournament that they lost it was that
they were forcing it and that they didn't properly understand how to play
with it as a team they didn't just write it off like okay we're bad at kez we
can't play kez like they they committed to it they trusted each other.
Purch you got to think about how the camera and spot look it's now it's just weird letters because it's upside down.
What's luvu?
Luvuhai
It's a while, he thought about saying hi, but now he does uvuhai
Oh!
Just a little speaker message to make the more bias towards us
Quick, boom, or analyze
Oh!
Cover it later with brown
It's good, it's good
You guys think I'm just going to write letters on it?
I think, I think the kez teams right now are
Oh, I love you!
Luvuhai!
That's nice, we can turn the camera around
I think the kez teams are really scary
Like what good teams like liquid and prayer vision can do with kez?
It looks like a first pick, first ban hero.
I mean, the hero can be killed, certainly.
There are solutions.
It's just, ideally, your opponents don't have saves,
and then you have enough stuns to blow his ass up
and not give him a chance to press his ulti.
And obviously, that requires a lot of positioning,
and you have to have vision of himself, but...
Can you see what was picked against him?
There you go, the Shadow Shaman.
Did they do that after I said that, or before?
Yeah, uh, thick.
It was before, but we know you were busy painting.
You are right, though.
He wasn't he was not looking and I agree with you entirely like I think the answer to kez is these very literal
Like hard lockdown guys like lion and rosta. I think those are the two heroes that you have to pick
To be kez. Otherwise, you're not respecting it enough like the hero
Straight-up offers enough damage to like legitimately 1v5 if you do not just straight lock him down and kill him
He was also cancer. I have a question
Is their chance?
But this Invoker is clever, Nintas.
It's getting dark.
Oh, just no one has...
He's been styling on people.
But then would you save Nintas's hero for last?
Nintas can also be just the casual ringmaster.
Sure, but then, okay, would you save the decal as here, like the support here?
Sure.
Reload.
Oh, shoot this, man.
For me.
I'm running low on the brown, by the way.
For me, this is...
Backup colors just in case.
Alright, well, we need more brown.
No, we don't need more brown.
Yes, we do.
We have to cover up those letters.
Yeah, we do have to cover up the letters.
Oh, can we have more colors, thank you.
Dark, anything brown or dark gray?
I have black as well.
Wait, how do you make brown as black and red?
You make brown.
It's literally a purple.
He looks right at me.
He looks at that.
Oh my god.
Bait me into it.
That's a good joke.
I would, Shiver, love for ParaVision to pick something for 9 class.
That's not just a simple ring map.
Okay.
To be honest, I would, for my personal entertainment and the entertainment of the viewers, I feel
like this team plays way different and they're way more in their element which
he's applying a hero like that. However, I personally feel like outside of the
Slark it's not really a great meta for that. There's too much five manning,
everyone's building grieves, pipe, crimson, these items that make it so you
can just straight up run down towers as five and go as a ball. And I think like
Monkey King, Slark, these types of like annoying heroes that are running around
making space, getting vision, are not as valuable. So I would like to see it but I
I feel like Paravision's probably coming to the same conclusion.
It is a really good ringmaster game against the single target.
I'm glad they have that disruption. The fact that they have an invoker can just toss a tornado in.
You've got to worry about what he's doing to your team.
At the same time, you're trying to kill the Kez. It just looks okay to me so far.
And they have initiators of their own. It could be invoker going in, it could be promo beast going in.
So I think Kez is moderately protected right now and I'm not too concerned of from just shadow shaman and a
Jekyll who has bad win rate by the way set 35%
Obviously he's being first picked consistently so teams are ready to address them and once that priority goes down is when it's gonna shoot up
because people go oh shit, and I expect such a strong five, but I
There's you can beat him. I would I would love to see you do call us disruptor
against the channel of shadow shaman go against these heroes that like
run at you, which is Largo and Razor, and super good with Kez and Lane.
I do feel like they need some sort of fight starter for Paravision. I think it's
really awkward for Primal Beast to go in until later. Like they need like a mid-game
fighter starter, so like I wouldn't mind a diner. You do tiny.
A dine for, like it's territorial, but run in. Yeah, I'm wondering how they want to start the fight.
There are multiple options of how they do that.
I'm just, I already showed it in my pre-game,
like the Roche fight.
I'm now imagining how that plays out
because it's literally very similar lineups on paper.
There was a Kaz in that game,
there was a Shadow Shaman in that game.
So I'm thinking like you're gonna have
probably a last pick for Aurora that kills Roche.
Oh!
All right.
Okay, so that is probably the nine class monkey.
I'm super excited to see it
because I feel like PairVision is the only team
that is making this playstyle work.
I've really thought coming into this tournament
that like the Monkey King slash Slark playstyle
was entirely dead, and it might be,
but Night Class is just so good at it
and PairVision is so good at executing it
that they can still pull it off.
So I'm super excited to see it.
I would love to see Faceswood.
Ah, it's Ursa.
Not happy with Ursa?
I'm, so Ursa and Theory's fine.
I just feel like that bottom lane is going to kind of free farm anyways, so you have
the option of picking like a greedier guy, or you have the option of picking something
that's very tempo based.
I do think Ursa is about a snowball of a hero as you get nowadays.
I mentioned in one of our other panels that if this hero falls behind that ball, he's
really bad right now ever since they've reworked the shard, so I do think that he's set up
to have a really good start.
I just thought that they probably needed a little bit more teamfight control, that's
That's why I was thinking something like Void.
I'm just wondering if Ursa's going to be able to lock on targets.
I think that with the Ringmaster coming into play, and the fact that Aurora's line-ups
is a very single target, I would lean towards Firevision, just on paper.
Is it primal?
Is it primal considered to be like an Ursa counter already?
Because status resistance doesn't work again.
It's not like a hard counter.
That's not 69% purge.
That's at least 75%.
That's like 75%.
Well, I guess you guys should have done any of this work then.
Ryan or Jenkins?
Fair enough.
Not you, Michelle.
I didn't criticize that.
I'm getting caught in crossfire here.
I'm defending myself and I'm shooting randomly right now.
Very merrily.
We have to...
The purge thing?
No, we have it, no?
Where is it?
I haven't even seen it.
Where is the tablet?
Did we not have a tablet?
No, we got that.
Oh, the power was...
I think we got our power revoked, yeah.
bad. We did go a little crazy with it yesterday. So we think Paravision is going to go a little
bit more crazy in this game then compared to how Aurora's got their draft go.
Yeah, my eyes are on that Roche fight and I do think the Alacrity
Kaz is going to be very interesting to see if they can just get the Deso Kaz.
Because that got nerfed because of Paravision on towers, but it still works on Roche.
So with the Invoker, I wonder if they're kind of running it back with the idea that like,
yeah, this will be a super early Roche hunt for us. And I think Monkey King is strong because it's
it's a very territorial fighter.
Like, even if you plop down the Shadow Shaman wards,
even if you feel good about controlling that area,
Monkey King just overwrites that.
Well, I am hearing that we're gonna have a nice,
epic Roche fight coming in for this first game
of this best of three series.
We're heading over to Cinderland and Sunspan!
Welcome to the second group stage here at Stamley's where we are going to establish
the pastor, purses, car, reel Aurora vs. Television.
The last time that we talked about Aurora was on our podcast, we talked some major shit about Nightfall
and the team not living up to expectations. Since then, I think they've lost a total of three games.
And that was weeks ago.
Yeah, so a little bit of context for that. We were discussing Aurora as a team.
We were like, yeah, I was saying, I don't think this team is going to get top three in the land.
And you were like, you were kind of in the same boat, I think, overall.
I said that Nightfall is good, but he is not clutch.
I see.
And then, the following event, they win, which is online.
They win, I believe it was Fissure, with the asterisk
that Lornaf was the standing on mid instead of Mikoto.
And he still is, and they're still owning.
So on group stage one, Aurora went 12 and two,
the best score out of any team.
The second best score is their opponent, Parvizion, we're 11 and 3.
So this should be a very, the two teams you're watching on your screens right now are slated
to get top four based on how group stage one went.
We'll see if they can keep up the momentum, but they've been looking really good now.
How do you think Makoto's feeling?
That's a good question.
It's one of those things where you're probably partially happy for your boys, but you're
also worried about your job security.
So, you know, I don't know what's the bigger feeling right now.
As well as Aurora goes, Brian was talking about this Ursa pick, that he would have liked to see Void.
I think sometimes...
Nine class?
He's taking a beating. It's a classic to Kiro situations.
Okay, but...
This is Nightfall's best hero, together with Phantom Lancer, in my opinion.
The two heroes that he broke through on the scene with were exactly Ursa and PL.
I forgot that Phantom Lancer was even a hero.
Yeah, he's not popular.
Good riddance. So I think part of why they went for this might also just be comfort, especially...
I don't think his faceless Void necessarily is a good punish.
Yep, Funstrice coming for him. It's not going to hit. He pops the Parry Fire 9 class does as well,
but 9 class gets the better of the exchange because he's got a fat, juicy boy next to him.
It's funny how this seems to be a pattern, regardless of which team play Shen.
And Jekiro always dies in lane to playing aggressive.
And I genuinely think a part of it is the hubris that you know your hero is overpowered early.
Yeah.
And you want to take advantage of it so bad.
But it's not that good until you're level 2.
Like that's when you really start becoming ridiculous, so...
Nice punish there, rotating over the off-laner as well.
Gets them on the board first.
I think this matchup goes, we have to hold that spot as fast as fast, simply onslaughts
away but versus the invoker, kind of an interesting matchup, I'm not sure how this one should
play out.
Uh, you okay there Senator, what happened?
Some reason my game just froze entirely, so we're gonna, we're getting back in there.
I mean Razor vs Invoker is, honestly, a relatively easy or even matchup maybe Razor favored.
It's probably, oh hang on, trade off here, Satanic.
Pallas dies to Mir, Mir actually will walk away though.
Sun strike, not gonna hit, good attempt though.
So foul play, proxie dispel, so it removes the bleed from Satanic.
And of course, Tanaki hit by Sunstrike, all you guys have to do, if you're a pro that is, is to stand still, which is exactly what happened.
If that was a low-level pub, it would have hit actually.
And those are unfortunately for no one what he's used to playing. Not a very good player, so he plays a lot of low-level pubs in his spare time.
As a matter of fact, the reason he's on par with me is that it was a make-a-wish situation, and they said you can play with us for a year.
Yeah, you've been on, you're the old veteran from VP, washed up, you can, you can try after us, just play a little bit, ends up owning.
Yeah, shockingly, shockingly no one still got it, who would've thought?
Well, I think a lot of people actually.
Like two, two years ago, I wouldn't have said that he makes resurgence, like this is kind of, I mean, I feel like this is very rare to happen.
Can only name a couple players, probably.
You're not one of them, that's for sure.
Thank you so much.
There's the opposite with you.
Have you noticed that there's like this we've talked about these three players that have kind of come back from two or three years of hiatus
It's no one it's mid one. Yeah, and it's moon. It's three mid players. That's right. Maybe it's just easy. Yeah
Who would have thought that night ball?
He's attempting to get out of dodge but now wants to try to go on top of SSF because he's close to a crawl and those fury swipes
Stack up fiercely, so
Unfortunately, that's one strike missed because he stood still, but the reason he stood still was that he was stunned, so arguably, no one showing why.
They're just briefing themselves with stuns.
A little bit of question there, it's actually a super impactful situation. If you get that kill on Ursa, your primal survives, and you might get off to a pretty good start in the lane now, this can get a lot harder.
He doesn't have all that much regen though on Nightfall, flying something out now to
salve until it reaches him.
Perhaps they had a moment of opportunity but the wave is not in a good position.
Am I wrong that the Ursa vs. Primal isn't even a good matchup for Primal?
In lane it's not.
Later in the game it's one of the better heroes against Ursa because for whatever reason Pulverized
does not get affected by status assistance.
It's one of the only abilities in the game.
But if you get, wait, if you get agged, is it hard to spell?
Yeah, I'm thinking of taking a break out of it.
And WS gets going on, Sunstrike, it does hit, he's learned.
I mean, that's tough, he was stuck in a corner,
he couldn't stand still or move, he was just getting hit.
Still, right on top.
No one on the board.
Satanic playing the Kez.
Probably the last one, I'm sorry about that.
I think this lane is going.
hey production my button doesn't work oh that's good for the bird you guys know
very important to fix that Alcans button broken appreciate that made one one
getting ganked Lorna pops his oh there's a teepee on the way gonna be in
time is the question the whip comes out they do get the kill on kori but no one
still falls which is the big one or Aurora you also lose another sport on
the other side is nine class snags the shield this is an interesting lane to
watch. I figured that X-word and Voker against Razor will have an advantage, but I didn't
think it would be necessarily as big as it has been. But also look how Lorna is investing
into winning the lane. Double Bracer plus Bassie on the mid-raiser here. Very early
centric build up to try to get every single advantage he can against no one in this early
laning stage. And it's paid off. He's ahead. They got that kill. Now he's going for possibly
quite unexpected rotation here. I think this is one of the things that have impressed me the most
with Lornoff in this iteration of Aurora is he is very good at rotating and I know they don't get
the kill here necessarily but this is for the seven minute wisdom shrine quick see that shield room
is still on nine class the Sun Strike hits again Lornoff dies so his rotation ends up being wasted
and the rest of Aurora have to get the hell out a good eyes path see if that stops satanic and his
12 buttons to hit, actually try and connect on KO or the Echo Slash hits and there's
the onslaught to ensure another kill going away with Paravision and they get another
one on the other side.
Alright, I take it back.
When I said he does good rotations and unexpected, I honestly, I wasn't even looking at the clock.
It's already been seven minutes.
It doesn't feel that way to me.
That's true.
This game has flown by and, well, that makes the rotation a lot more expected and as a
result, Paravision brings five heroes.
Alright, here we go.
Sorry, just not to interrupt.
Very important. Yeah, let's just double check. Oh, it's still work now. Good to know about this production. Appreciate that
Okay, that one works too. We're not gonna use that again
Yeah, so
45 at the enemy wisdom that's never gonna end well for Aurora
and our vision
They were on the money
Everybody ready for it. Dr. Lorna, but it's just spelled immediately
That's a fake doctorate. Yeah, that was very quickly
that was an honorary doctorate that they give out to billionaires
as if they need more
in life
in a fake degree
all about accomplishment that you don't have when's that class uprising
happen you can't wait for that
it's gonna be fun
to dream league
talk about politics everybody
how would you i would argue that's not even possible
another tornado on to lorna
i got a wall off here no
Boundless Strike, 9-class, and most of ParaVision makes their way over, and Lornaut is Omega-dead, no TP support for him.
This is a very good start for ParaVision, shutting down Razor like this, he was having a good start against Invoker now, two back-to-back deaths, one on the Wisdom and now one in mid.
Bringing the numbers seems to be the key for ParaVision so far.
Five on the Wisdom, four on this mid-gank.
Just taking no risks whatsoever, and in the meantime, Satanic is getting to get some good farm now.
Perhaps? We're trying for the dive, but there's a very suspicious tree in the neighborhood that is a monkey.
They spot Mira so much behind the path. They find Kez, and that is the death of Stankanik.
I stayed at the raptor, it almost goes off twice. It's too late though. They lost the birdman.
Aurora trying to exit the premises. They lose Mira, so if that's all they lose, then they'll be pretty happy.
But Knifehall kind of outnumbered, but he does have the right clicks to his advantage.
overpower right off the SSS as WS tries to shadow him gets off the frog stomp the box to save though
SSS looks to be okay for the time being boundless strike for nine class in his exit plan
But no one is the one that gets caught off guard the whip not going to do too much
Good attempted heal, but down it goes the invoker along with the ringmaster
Aurora coming numbers and they come out on top of this engagement that lets us hear
I said Kaz three times
That's your responsibility to hit that but I am not that is not my response. That's nobody's responsibility as a matter
I'd love to see a replay of that fight
I feel like satanic getting caught like that and getting nothing off is very surprising
They had monkey King scouting the shadow shaman so it felt like they were kind of baiting it
But maybe got surprised by just how many heroes were there
They wanted him to get jumped so that they could cancel shot and shaman shackles get a raptor dance and turn into a bait
but just didn't quite work out the way they had hoped and that's really good
news for Aurora getting all these pills and now probably lead to a tower as well
the timing of this 10 minutes in they have to cure a level five you know the
drill put on the fiery oil and smack it with a guitar WS great combo the last
And with that, top net worth is Nightfall on what you call his top two hero.
Yep.
Would you agree?
Uh, I mean, I, yeah, Ursa definitely, the Phantom Lies, I think I haven't, it's just
I haven't seen it in so long that I couldn't even say.
But I'll take your word for it.
Very good, I'm peal.
What do you think his best item is?
Is it the BKV or is it the TP? It's a tough choice.
I think Quelling Blade. He's good at last hitting.
Smoke to farm, ancients, primal specialty.
Well, not quite his specialty. If it was his specialty, maybe he would have killed him in one go.
Chalman gonna get jumped by Monkey King. Insta-Hex.
Insta-Hex. Shackle.
Sunstrike, no! Nightfall, shadowing him, does get boundless struck, but Mira's the only one to be vanquished.
And Lorna is going for the Greed's build.
So tell me how this materialized, this change of kind of itemization for razors.
Oh, so in the reason, uh, was it 740? I think it was in 740 that Greed's got changed to be way cheaper, but then not have as good of an aura.
I think a very big part of why that change was so powerful is having access to as much mana and health as you do with this item is obviously nice, but it's a very cheap dispel and a very good build up.
So the farming speed that you have while acquiring it, the build up is just better than something like a Lotus. It goes heal and mana for your entire team, which is very useful.
So heroes that can use this item that already in the past were capable of buying it without it being too bad suddenly got really good on.
So for example, this game, you're buying it, you can immediately get rid of, say, something like Cold Smash. It's very strong for mid-game timing with Largo.
And part of the reason why heroes like Razor and Viper are as popular as they are is that they can play all three lanes and they can buy Greaves.
It also counters Vestal, which is not going to be a consideration this game because it's Invoker mid, but against other mid heroes, that's a pretty big deal. Nice hex.
Yeah, Kari in a bit of trouble. He's beating that meatball really hard, but the shackle to counteract it is a support for a support.
And the tower, the way of Aurora. 2k lead already.
Yeah, they swung back with a vengeance after that.
I wouldn't say it was a disaster at the Wisdom Shrine, but it definitely wasn't good, their moves have been great ever since.
Now, when you have an Ursa line, we always talk about the Roche potential.
I feel like, and maybe I'm wrong, that the need to get the Aegis for Ursa is less important now than it used to be.
Would you agree with that?
Yeah.
And I'm not sure why that is.
I think I agree with it, and I think a big part of the reason is that Ursa is not nearly as much of a tempo hero as he used to be.
If you go back a couple of years, Ursa would generally lose late game.
I think this hero still has incredible longevity in the game. Ursa can win 60-minute games.
Like back then he kind of got outscaled, he got kind of whatever, but some of the new itemization options really help him.
Stay relevant, so it's less important that you get the first Roche so that you can snowball the game when you're just as, you're a very strong hero minute 40.
It's not a...
Well, it looks like this might be a late game potential type of deal, as you see a Midas being built by 9 class, which...
I don't... I feel like he... Am I wrong that he doesn't build that that often?
I think that's true.
There's no point in upgrading to vessel here though because razors getting grieves and lardo is a frog
So therefore it doesn't work against him. You can just dispel it off of anyone
Understandable night class though. He is found
But the counter acting pulverized to try to equalize this the raptor dance the following Lorna fights the dust
He's already used this raptor dance. He only has 11 buttons left
He gets one kill now the focus is on the frog himself WS
We'll be able to get out as Mira's Serpent Ward's not gonna be able to do too much now.
Paravision on the run.
Oh my god, the damage.
The look into Collis just gets absolutely mauled by the bear as SSS continues to take punishment as well.
Sun strike, not gonna hit, but Satanic is still gonna fall regardless as Roach destroys SSS.
Get the fuck out of here!
He says...
What? Why was he so angry?
The one creature in Dota that can toss Primal.
What? Why was he...
He wasn't even moving locations.
Am I great? Why was he tossing him?
I don't see out of the pit.
I guess we'll see the tail end of this replay, but...
Maybe he was not a long tail here, so first of all, this is a good first kill from Paari.
The trade off from Monkey King is obviously great.
Now, keep an eye on Satanic here.
A very clean parry into killing Kaori, and I thought at this point,
Okay, now he's gonna be in trouble, but nope, he gets healed up by the tonic.
Yeah, you can see Roche on the mini-map moving now, by the way.
So it must have been like right at the tail end.
It must be the tail end of Crossing the River.
It takes him 45 seconds to do that.
It's like 30, right?
He's about to get tossed soon.
Let's see.
Yeah, this area again, if that's one strike hit.
And on the side of your screen...
Wheeeee!
It really, that is so hilarious.
Man, alive.
Oh, there he is. That's a...
In the darkness.
Let it bind you
I'm sure the quotes way different that camera angle looks like he's wearing like a very tight
neck shirt
Tight neck shirt heard in here first is Mira. That is the phrase will go to the grave now
Oh my class missing the ball of strike nightfall. Hello. It's just gonna simply walk away
Might as up and running for nine class
See if that ends up paying off this game blinks
Battles here for 9th ball, BKB looks to be next.
Put a standard here.
Like you mentioned, the BKB has a possibility against Primal.
It's probably something he's gonna consider later down the line.
About a BKB...
You mean Lincoln's?
No.
Axe on Ursa.
Oh, Axe on Ursa.
He said BKB.
I thought you said BKB.
Alright, we're talking about both items, so I want to congratulate you.
I'm listening to about half, which is better than usual.
Yeah, that's not bad.
We round up in the US.
Good job.
Um...
i thought you said ass probably
yeah, that's... i mean, he's got a nice ass on that ursa
yeah, okay, well, if you're into that, then uh...
you're born in the right century, at least
so, invoker?
is a hero you generally just want vkb against?
there's no hero in dota that i'm more tempted
or rather, more on board with buying vkb against than that guy
it kind of is part of what makes the hero so strong
is that he forces heroes to buy vkb that don't really want to
don't have other reasons to in the game. I'm not saying that's the case here, but you call us
going to tank this smoke. Okay, box it up. Very good static length. This will be a death eventually.
Get some licks. Boxes to go, and they lick the box. So WS, he's had this axe for a little bit now,
and will be the Kaia. So a lot of the players have been doing that instead of finishing the full
Kaya saying how the game is going just kaya into the eventual
bkb
As nightfall will go for ropes so 18 and a half minutes this will set up a very good tormentor as well if they're able to
Successfully snag this night class. He's definitely aware, but you can see the rest of paravision
Not gonna be able to do too much. That's right already. You rock and I say that fsf. He kills off kori
See if we can get out with his life. Nightfall Securcy Aegis is Lornoff able to pick out Nightclubs on the outskirts.
Asbestos is going to get some assistance from Ducales. We love Wonder, but the enrage for Nightfall is eventually he will be hypnotized.
He really wanted to look in the belly of the beast there.
Not bad though. For Aurora, overall. Grabbing that. Mira will find...
I didn't stop working again.
Oh.
That was like half an hour.
That sounded really sexy.
That's Kaz, in a different context.
Alright, it's good to know.
No one has agonized him by the way.
We didn't mention he is the agent of Galarron.
That sounds so nerdy to say by the way.
Why?
You don't think so?
He's got the 5th agent, I'm dying now.
That's what it, every time.
What should they call it?
Just...
Fireman.
Okay.
Sure.
Okay, that's a good name.
Agent, you think that sounds cool?
It's like something you read in Lord of the Rings.
Okay.
And that makes it very nerdy, unlike other things in Dota.
Oh yeah, of course.
Candaclysm!
Okay, I'm gonna put it in the battle.
Gonna be avoided, and this will be the Shard for Mira, so a little bit better foul play.
Nice little Candaclysm there.
That's right.
You cast Agent of Galarron.
Uh oh, he might get... no, never mind, he's out.
Good read, but...
Will 9-class be as lucky?
Oh, he's gonna... oh!
Okay, that was close to getting a hex.
Boing.
Who do you think the most satisfying player
to kill for these pro players?
I feel like this is a very loaded question with Night Class on screen.
I know.
So...
Basically my question is, is it Night Class?
I think for many, yes.
Also because supposedly it doesn't make many friends in pub games.
Yeah.
I think people...
Do you think anybody else is in consideration, or is it just the blowout?
I think it's pretty satisfying to kill...
Prime Miracle.
In a different way. That's like the opposite end of the spectrum.
People didn't hate Miracle, you know.
Just some food for thought.
I'm thinking about it right now, and I'm done.
Quick little snack.
Tier 2 tower taking quite a beating that long lane as Nightfall will go down to Nightfall.
You can tell Nightfall's like...
Bastard, you want my courier?
Okay, Nightfall was expecting that.
Let's see a replay of how fast he jumped him after he hit the courier.
That was instant
He knew that was coming you read him like a book
That might be the counter to nine-class monkey King just send out couriers. Look at this how fast he is
Boom he barely even got this swing off
That's that's nice. Yeah
Showcase the basher for nightfall as well
And of course confirming what we already knew from real life, which is of course that bears are stronger than monkeys
I'd take a gorilla though
over a brown bear yeah 100% which one is the most
strong bear Grizzlies okay Ori you can ask chat to be he that anytime you'd
like Cinder and I'm not gonna be doing anything for the next 10 minutes why not
we're just gonna farm or what oh oh they got him again yes they did bash off
the tree down goes nine class that's a one-for-one though EMP is gonna burn a
bit of Lornoff's mana it's a breeze though he's got the crimson guard as
as well.
Yeah, this is a very tempo-oriented mid-game Razor build.
When you go for this, I think the overlap of itemization on Aurora is going to be incredibly
strong for the next roche when they have Greaves, Crimson, and BKB.
Oh, what?
They don't have.
And Lurko.
They're in here, though.
Nice.
While being shadowed, Satanic's thinking about poking.
Gets off the sides with the instant hex into the surf reward trap.
Satanic's still stuck there, puts off a random Echo Slash as he's going to get jumped
on by the bear himself.
rage is pop, Stratanic and a lot of trouble gets beaten down to a pulp and a nice shackle
on the primal beast who's completely segregated from his team leads to the double kill for
Nightfall.
I think the Echo Slash got stopped mid animation by Frog Stomp.
He didn't move or he must have misclicked.
You can definitely jump out of Serpent Wards with that.
But he somehow didn't travel?
Yeah.
That was about right with the Frog Stomp.
There's another one by Stardust, triple kill for Nightfall.
this streak was still available for the taking that was a very long interval
there for it don't give this guy a good time on ursa generally does too late
5k lead for Aurora their ages is expiring soon
gonna see the replay here again so let's keep an eye on the Kaz now there's the
Oh my god, it's in frame!
That's nice.
That's ridiculous.
Wow. Okay.
Just lucky, I'm sure.
I mean, honestly, that's one of those what-can-you-do moments.
That is just unlucky. This really is.
What a timing for it, though.
Against Satanic at a crucial moment in the game, this is a very big fight to win.
It sets up the map to be nice and safe for the moment. There's no objectives.
You can just keep playing out aggressively with the ward that you got placed off of this.
You can see right now it's seeing both the Monkey King and the Primal Beast in the jungle.
Minecraft's going to ping it out.
Not sure how he was still up there.
Now what, heck, do you call us as nearby with a wheel of wonder?
Those have to try to avoid that, the bear.
Trying to get through this box, but no one still will fall. Matters not.
The lick onto Ducales, he eventually will die to the song here from WS, a double kill for the froggy, 8k lead for Aurora.
Won't know about Roshan in a couple minutes, so no major objectives, they might be able to get a tier 2 potentially.
There's nothing else, I don't even think it's that important that they take objectives right now, it's just stay on the enemy side of the map.
Stay there, place aggressive wards. You can see they placed a very basic ward that's obviously one you're expecting to be there.
But ultimately you're saying to Parvish, you come get it, you know? Are you gonna de-ward this with Monkey King?
Ursa's gonna kill you instantly if you jump into this ward. So you're basically
denying a big part of the map. You're just zone controlling against this hero.
Placing the high wards against Monkey King can be very very good when you're leading.
The element of surprise is very much not on Monkey King's side anymore.
They aren't going to leave the area though, a little bit surprising, but they want to
go and hit mid from the left side rather than the right.
I wonder why, okay they still have the other ward that 9 class pinged out earlier, that
still didn't get de-warded by far.
That's a pretty big power spike for Paravix, double BKBs picked up for Kez and, sorry?
Okay, why does this button not work half the time?
My goodness.
And Primal Beast.
Thank you.
I can't tell if they're doing this on purpose to us or not.
Maybe it's them activating it now.
Smoke from Paravir. They want to use this timing on those double BKBs as a reveal.
But we can stand them out there not remotely close to anybody at the moment.
We'll get out close to control.
close control. And Aurora is sitting pretty, but this next age is going to be pretty pivotal.
If Aurora can get that, then it would be pretty hard for ParaVision to deal with.
Voker notoriously good at high ground defense, but obviously don't want to be put in that
position where that's 100% needed. Statenacan is going to open up. With the Pogre rise as
well, but the Frog will get out of it, and now Nightfall just beating all the Primal
Bees. Defending Glassville takes out WS. This is looking pretty good for ParaVision.
Nightfall now getting gone on by Satanic that it's way too easy for the bird man
As Lornoff shows up on the other side is going to get bashed
Ice wall applied to him as well the box is going to keep satanic alive
They're keeping good distance from the razor satanic trying to focus on the supports to start things out who comes to man from the support though
Getting a little bit of damage, but it's really satanic. That's able to withstand most of this
They get four kills and Lornaff the only survivor and this means Paravision would be able to get Roche themselves
Yeah, Lornaff with the nightfall
Nightfall wasn't around to show him, but he's played with him long enough to know what to do in those situations
This is the dream story mid game. I've taught this to death on cast
You've got to start on Largo with heavy single target damage
Or you've got to play take the fight away from them and this this is basically the dream you kill him first
Kaz is one of those heavy single target damage heroes mind you take him out
Ursa commits a lot to try to fight back this fight is already lost and Lauren off is just seeing how much he can trade away
And hence I'm trying away two teammates
So not the greatest
To say the least that is our vision completely recovering the game
Yeah, all that hard work for Aurora feels like it's just been put back or just kicked
out the window, basically even net worth-wise at this point of the game.
When you go this build on Razor, I think there's a lot of pressure, uh, pressure is maybe the
wrong word.
There's a lot of potential right now, uh, both for game-winning moments and for trouble.
Let's put it that way.
If you missed this timing, like I said in the next 5 minutes, if Razor doesn't get banned
for his buck, this build will fall off compared to other things he could have gone.
We've seen plenty of Razor builds this tournament, it was like, Mantra B could be refresher,
and then they just become a second carry.
Lawn Off is trying to win the game soon, and they're not really close, so I think perhaps
this couldn't feel like a game where he needed to go grea-
I don't know if you would agree with this, I don't feel like there's a single fight
that they won because of his items?
I mean, it's tough to say.
It's like, we haven't had a moment where we're like,
okay, okay, if they're Crimson, Caz can't kill them, ish.
Right? I think most of the fights they've taken,
he could have also had the man to build.
And that's not to say that this is wrong with what he's done.
It's just, the last five minutes did not go according to plan,
is the short version here, four or five.
Yeah, basically with this build, you're ensuring,
you're basically staying nightfall, you need to carry it.
You're trapping Lornoff, that's not great, Mira.
He does not have a way to get out of this.
The MP on him, he's got to pop the BKV.
He cannot deny the serve at war.
The enemies aren't going to do anything about it.
The Bovarize does get him out, and now SSS is stuck in there.
What the hell is going on?
Thanks for the save, buddy.
Kaori eventually will be the first casualty.
He's going to jump right in onto the final piece,
but the box is going to stay satanic with the Raptor Dance.
Everybody's going to be able to avoid it, though.
It's a little bit of HP back as a result, though,
as satanic now focusing on the Razor,
spent most of the time in the serve at war.
He will die, so second death for Aurora as Nifo was focusing on Kez, but...
And actually the shackle is going to be cancelled, Nifo is being pursued by the bash!
That's life number one!
Largo is happy for Aurora, attempting to exit the premises.
WS still alive and healthy as Static focusing on the support,
and the bear jumps in, gets one kill off to no one, as now he attempts to run away,
but Static still has 12 buttons at his disposal.
Nicos joins the fight as well!
That is enough for Static to go out as well!
Someway, somehow Nightfall did it, does cost him his life, but I don't know how Aurora stayed in this fight.
Ladies and gentlemen, Largo!
Nobody touched him. I mean, he has the link in his mouth, so...
Eight thousand three hundred damage, and this is not showing the healing, it's not showing the movement speed, it's not showing the damage he gave to teammates.
That is the perfect example of what you don't want to have happen against Largo.
Freely playing the guitar for a minute straight, you gotta shut this guy down.
Either you kill him, or you take the fight away from him.
Also doesn't help. You use the pulverize on a target that is absolutely useless.
The beginning of this fight was just bizarre.
This is like a guest-the-MMR moment.
Now you can't see it anymore, obviously. This is the tail end of the fight.
Just look at how much Largo gets done in these fights.
They just keep double strumming.
It's going to run around to extra damage to Satanic.
Pull away. I think maybe...
They could have even put... Oh, that's not a good...
You cannot believe how long I've been on this.
still crazy
that's about as much expression as you get out of satanic
well, one off does get a free shard
so aurora do claim the tormentor but
they're back in control again
they are, they are
it's a bit of a topsy turfing graph here
this looks funny
I mean, it really does come down to the primal ult. Who will you be able to cast it on?
Obviously a lot harder now that the Lincoln's is on WS, which is probably one of the re- and he has BKB on top of that.
That's crazy. So Lincoln's was basically a reveal for that fight and then in basically two minutes
He finishes BKB in addition.
Yep, that was a such a huge fight for him.
I mean, I know that it's hard to-
We get all the vision, we get the hindsight, everything. He gets ward trapped.
The enemy team, what do you think is the best move there?
To fight away from him, force him to just TP out?
Um, you either fight away from him, or you kill him on the spot,
but you'd obviously, I mean, polarizing him out of the wards was clearly not the play.
If you put enough stuff on him, you force him to TP out,
or as you mentioned, you can leave him there.
But he can destroy, he can't even destroy the wards because they're in his team.
He's literally just stuck, they, they can pull him out with Largo.
I guess.
So if you don't do anything, Largo's just gonna...
Oh, that's true, yeah. Move him, right?
So you kind of had to put pressure onto Razor, just not with Polarizer.
Oh, they do have, uh, four staff on Mir. I don't know how new that is, though.
I think he did not have that in that fight. He bought it now because he's like,
Okay, if I'm gonna war-trap my teammates, I'll bring them out of it.
That's always good to have insurance policy. No one. He's gonna be war-trapped, attempting the nightfall,
but now instead, can't close it, and Lornoff will get an easy kill.
Damn. He was so far away from any supports.
Nobody was in range just helping with anything. No box. No stun from monkey. No orchid
That's a friend him down and it's a good thing. Lornaff was kind of alpha testing the ward trap
For Mira as Mira is able to not use that on any
Yep
That's why you do a test build first
Here's the replay so he's stuck here, right? Where's Largo Largo's very far to the left. They don't know this actually they did
but I mean this is
And there's only so much you can criticize in that moment. There's a lot of...
And go back to live is 9 class falls.
Again, little monkey gets burnt this time by Kirori.
WS is so fucked.
I don't know, I'm just... I feel like I've seen this game enough times this tournament, this archetype game.
And the only times I see Largo lose is when he gets killed first by some ridiculous burst
And I don't know if they have it on parry vision and I say that against kez
Which I can't really believe that I'm saying I don't think kez has enough damage
And invoke invoker's damage is like staggered so you can be kibby in between it unless you get like a
Maybe pulverize with kez and cat a
Can kill Largo maybe maybe that's what I'm looking at
There's Largo about to finish his char, so it's going to be effectively double Lincoln's.
The teammate is nearby.
Smoke from Paravision, the fight's about to begin.
Pulverize finds the target, there's the cataclysm, it is enough!
Lorinoff takes a huge tumble.
And Mira...
will follow suit.
Interesting situation.
Very good pick-offs here.
It's just a bit of a gambit, right?
Like, you're placing four heroes there, but not Largo, who's your strongest hero.
Together with Ursa, he's on the opposite side of the map, taking your own wisdom.
I mean, is it worth even contesting a 35-minute wisdom shrine?
If you think it's gonna turn into a fight that you're favored in, then obviously.
But you clearly didn't play for that, because you didn't have Largo there.
So, I would say no.
The later wisdoms are not nearly as important as the first two.
I think that fight could have maybe been interesting with WS there.
Speaking of WS, it's interesting.
He's opting next to go dagging.
Is this just the state of Bloodstone?
Just walk to Shiva.
Okay.
But now it is the state of Bloodstone?
It is the state of Bloodstone, though.
That's kind of sad.
Bloodstone is just not a particularly interesting item, unfortunately.
Or, fortunately, depending on your perspective.
Are you missed the old days with charges, or Stormsphere is literally unkillable?
I don't know what the best person on the planet is, which one I like the most.
Is that its time?
I think I've never really been a particularly big fan of that item, so...
I don't personally guess it.
I feel like there was a build where it worked on axe for a period of time.
That's true, at least there was.
Yeah, that was probably the most fun was when it was on strength off-laners, very good.
That's exactly what Lago is.
Oh, missed a beat there, WS, we heard it.
Or back to guitar hero with you back to your hotel room
Uproar is not dispelable right?
The stacks you mean?
Yeah, or but either but they're not dispelable
All right smoke from Aurora as Roche is available they want a quick pick and
Roche if they can
This will be rush number three, I believe
My class might be the one to tank the gank SSS in the vicinity as well
It's gonna be popped
Nightfall has a link is applied a cataclysm is there doing an okay amount of damage
The roster is the first to follow satanic now versus nightfall who wins this satanic uses one of his total
The exit wheel of wonder into the deafening glass beautifully done into a pulverize on top
That is a dead razor question mark Lornoff actually
Lincoln's pops another lick for the road
Gather up young ones rock will heal you that was a very good combo
But what would be stronger the forces of the universe or a frog with a banjo is what we found the answers to today? Yes indeed
Everybody back to full HP. Aside from Lauren off, as Erevision might be forcing the issue.
Elacrity on Satanic, the Belch ensues. WS ready to just walk in casually as he does on the Frogman.
Okay, this is balance.
Knife comes out. SSS gonna focus on Jekiro first with a pulverize. It's not enough to get the kill.
You don't have the refresh on the PKB?
I got no one.
Knife pack off. Knife fall. Destroys. No one has 9 class. Denies the Aegis.
What? W.S. and Knife fall both with double kills, but buyback on no one's not going to do too much in all likelihood, he does get out.
His age is just cursed today, in the same day we have a forgotten age, it's ended in 98.
Yeah, that was strange, it takes longer to attack it than to just pick it up.
I mean clearly that was a moment of panic, 9 class picked up the cheese and, was it the cheese and the banner?
Oh, I think...
You pick up everything else.
Two out of three ain't bad, I guess.
Oh, no.
Now Aurora attempting Hydra.
There's Rocha's banner.
I'll be honest though, if you have the Aegis in the pit, I think he still dies twice.
Largo was in the middle of everything, completely untouched.
And they got a clean opener on Invoker with Ursa.
So this is starting to look very healthy for Aurora.
And this is too set.
That has no buyback, they can't fight without him, they can't kill Largo without him.
Oh. Ah.
Yeah, it's too set-easily.
Will they stick around for more is the question.
Well, a real pair of them is you can actually try to fight without Kez.
Nightclas balanced right there, still a pulverized butt.
You can see that Cataclysm's still not doing that much.
Nightclas is certainly dead along with this set of Barracks.
They essentially just feed a life away and WS continuing on to sing his song.
He has up in 10 seconds though.
Another fortification for the road, Melee Barracks does fall, and Aurora gonna at least
do a soft reset as there's still a cheese for Satanic apparently.
Yeah, he grabbed the rest of the stuff.
He has the refresher too, so that was grabbed by another player as well.
And here's the replay.
Look at how he can't go to work, but this jump, the hex, into Versa, immediately killing
Invoker was massive for that fight.
And yeah, they're picking up absolutely everything, and 9-Clust, I think he's trying to attack.
Maybe he...
You know what?
I mean, his inventory was obviously full.
It just meant like he denied it.
It looked like he almost denied it on purpose, but WS wouldn't get it.
Yeah.
Maybe it was actually the red move.
I will say it was not the right move, but it might have been what he was left with.
I mean, he could have picked it up, right?
Well, I'm saying maybe his inventory...
Did we see his inventory there?
If the inventory is full, the right place to make a slot.
Yeah, but you're in the midst of this huge team fight, and you're not going to be able
to think things through.
I don't know.
Clearly not.
Sinnera could have done it better, guys.
You heard it here first.
maybe that moment? Yes. It's possible. It's not out of the question. I think all of these
players could have done it better. In that moment.
Just not 9-class.
I mean, that's what happens in a high-panning way. I mean, you could blame 9-class all you
want.
Satanic didn't pick it up.
Does he have some level of brain rot? You're not telling us about? Satanic, a company that
both sides are smoked. Satanic is found at Fox2PKB immediately. Skyhackling complies
one of those. 9-class is going to focus. Oh, no one chops him off. Dead is the invoker.
No buyback at all.
Lorna with a full duration static link as Satanic gets off the Raptor Dance.
It might be enough to take out the Razor.
No, Path of Man, I think he's gonna be able to survive, and they kill off the Kez as well
as the GGs come out.
So game number one to Aurora.
They are looking excellent, thanks to Syndra's huge cast recurs a few weeks ago.
That's right.
You're welcome, Aurora.
No, I won't play a game from them, honestly.
There were maybe one or two hiccups, but you're playing against really strong oppositions, so they're gonna force errors out of you on occasion, but yeah.
Ultimately, it came down to one or two teamfights where Parvizion kinda just got crushed, and...
Well, I had the question. BSJ would have liked to see the void. I think Nythro played an excellent Ursa game, and I don't know about you. How does Largo keep getting through?
getting through. I genuinely think this game should be a first-place game.
Every game, it's up to me.
Yep, there was some slight flip-ups, and I think this kind of proves what you were talking about.
This triple item setup for WS. Usually it's that BKB, but in this terms it was the Linkins.
That's one of the things. It kind of felt like the nail was in the coffin at that point,
but that was the one glimmer there for Paribas, when they killed off WS before he got the Linkins.
And you saw what kind of a difference without the Largo.
Largo ends the game doing roughly the same damage as Invoker and Ursa, while also giving his entire team healing, move speed and damage into play.
Kind of crazy, if you ask me. In my eyes, if you want to give away Largo, you need to shut him down early.
I think teams are not giving the hero enough respect, and if you can't shut him down early, peace be with that, just don't play against it.
I think it's easier to follow some of the other heroes that teams are giving away here and there.
This one, I don't know what Largo's wind rate is in the tournament, it might not be that ridiculous, but it has some fights.
We're going to see in this replay package here what Largo is able to achieve.
So this is obviously earlier on in the game. If that Sunstrike would have somehow hit Nightfall, that could have been really big for Harvey.
There was a few Sunstrikes that missed early that could have had huge implications on the game.
But no one, just a noob, you know? It needs to Sunstrike clearly target.
That's it, that's the conclusion on that for sure.
I mean at this point the game is still relatively close in terms of net worth, but when Nightfall dies in these fights it becomes really hard for Aurora.
Unless the fraud's alive, of course, if we can see here.
I mean, it's actually, it's an interesting, if you think about it, it's an interesting way of constructing a lineup.
We have three heroes that are all in your face in the enemy team, and you kind of have to stop two of them.
I keep saying it from the perspective of you have to kill Largo first
But I mean if you're going on Largo with everything Razor and Ursa are gonna run you over too. Yeah, but just think
For this meta and for this patch, I think this is an excellently crafted lineup for the side of Aurora. That's right
I think some random guy wants to talk. Let's see what he has to say
Well, some random guy here reporting in my name is BSJ. I am a guy and this is random
I'm going to be talking about the Roche fights that we talked about in the pre-game
Between Aurora and Parvizion from their previous best of two in group stage one and it happened again in this game
So I wanted to check out two of them of the three because they were very pivotal in this match
So the first replay that I want to check out is the gank that actually leads up to the first Roche
And there's a little bit of like 5d chess
you know
Brain like giga brain stuff where Aurora smokes and they're doing it where they know what they would normally do here
Is go straight for Roche we even see the dire skin coming on the mini map
So they're expecting it on the side of parry vision
So instead of doing the predictable move that both these teams did the previous series
They're simply looking for the guy that's going to be checking Roche
So to call us false for this big brain move they end up killing him here and then they take Roche afterwards
So instead of getting it the traditional direct away smoking in or just taking it with the Ursa
They act they do this read the opponent reading them play
And that's what leads them having the first roast so instead of a direct fight a little bit of a sneak attack there
And then the third roast that we saw towards the end there
We wanted to check that out as well because there's just a lot of chaos going on here
Satanic finishing the roast but he picks up the cheese as well as the refresh or the banner
but he doesn't have a third slot for the Aegis and that's just a disaster, to be honest.
That was the real, that was the fight that gave ParryVision a chance to come back into this game
and obviously with that type of thing happening already being down by about 10k,
the writing's on the wall for them. But heard enough from me, I'm just some random guy.
It sounds like there's perhaps a very interesting conversation going on over at the bar and I'd
I'd love to check out what's going on.
What wonderful entertainment they have at this venue.
Thank you so much for inviting me here.
Yeah, no problem.
This is my favorite place to hang out.
What accent?
Yeah, something great on doing accents.
You're making me a blanket.
I didn't.
I thought we were just, I thought we were talking normal voices.
You said you would do an accent.
You must have misunderstood me.
I'm sorry.
What a game.
What a game that was. As you know, I was very invested in that game.
Personally, you want to drink, I can see that you're thinking about it.
Yeah. What did you make for me, by the way?
Just try it. Just try what I put in there. You trust me, right?
Not anymore.
Get a close up of that.
That's cat milk.
Oh, that's that's what I was hoping you put in there.
Swedish cat milk.
That's lactose free.
That's 66% milk and 33% protein isolate.
What is so weird about drinking cat milk that everyone when I say that says that's disgusting
You don't think it is you got a milk a lot of cats
It's just too much
Too much at once. Yeah, it's too hard. I heard that you ever heard that same like
How many cats does it you got a milk to make a?
Bear Bell's milkshake
Never heard that saying before you know
As I was saying about the game, truly, I was invested.
We do love our Bear Bells milkshakes, actually.
If only they sponsored us, please do, Charles.
It was a lot of money at the studio.
It's been expensive to buy them.
Swedish people are very healthy.
There's lots of protein in these Swedish delicacies.
But what also was a delicacy for me was to see Monkey King Midas, which I really enjoyed.
I was trying to break it down in my head because I'm personally a big Monkey King fan, position
a big Slark fan, position four.
Oh, of course, nine classes the guy to look at.
And I felt like, personally, with the meta changing,
that the early game on Monkey, like nine class
on previous patches, was going Yuleceptor,
and like using that to have impact in the early game.
And in my games, when I'm trying to copy that,
I felt like I was just a stun regardless,
and that eventually I would get outscaled.
So his answer to that was Midas.
And I was like, oh my God, this kid's a genius.
Like you can always play these heroes these like four position annoying heroes and figure out how to make it work in any meta
But then after watching that, I don't know if I was even care what I think
Well, this is why I was leading in okay good
I don't know if I was convinced by that do I sound insane as a monkey king position four player to you as a
Venom answer mid player. Am I just looking for validation one time and slacks tells everybody about it. Oh
My gosh
Look, I think nine class
Excellent player, very unique. I know you love his playstyle. I know you like mirroring his strats
But he's got some misses sometimes. He had a lot of big misses at TI 100%
I was they did get fourth didn't they?
They did but but I genuinely think that team put a 1 TI if he didn't have as many misses as he did
He had a lot fair. They're doing Alk position 4. All the Alks were misses
I dare say maybe they won some of the games, but I felt like they're all misses
So my point is very good player his unique playstyle is really awesome, and it does good things
But I just feel like we need to see more data from the Midas because by all means are getting gold from it
Which is good if you're running around I mean apparently before this he was 4-0 on it. So I
Guess it's working, but it's it's so hard to
Break down this team like I feel like everyone that looks at this
There's a majority of people that look at the team maybe vocal minority that says like he's just being useless
Listen, his team's so good that they're winning, you know, but obviously the haters are gonna say that the fans say like
Okay, well the teammate gets to the space from nine class like in these games where you win as position four monkey or position four
Slark you feed like in a lot of them. You're like a good game
You're like five and eight that's a good game because you're making space with all of your deaths
But I guess in this game it didn't feel like the deaths were that much space. It was just kind of like he's in trees and
he got caught he got caught yeah like right outside of Roche or something
Aurora just like a freebie on him right or like Nightfall literally solo
killing yeah with that with that being said I do believe the biggest the biggest
blunder was the the broche fight that was that was rough that was really
That bloody tongue!
I keep my gun on the emotion, I keep on reaching high
You give me the beat, but it's not enough
I want you to open up your heart some more
You gave me
Oh, that's not enough
Oh, I want you to open up your heart some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is wonderful, get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is wonderful, get me feel nice
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my own reflection
I know I'm all you see
When I'm speaking to you
I want your body and your soul and mind
To be the same as you are
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on dying, don't you know?
Keep on me tonight.
I keep on lost, so emotional now.
Keep on, keep on reaching for the sky.
I weigh my love on high.
I'll weigh my love on high
I keep my love and emotional
Keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep my love and emotional
Keep on reaching high
I keep my love so emotional that
I keep on keeping reaching high
I keep my love and emotional I keep on reaching high
I'm not gonna hide
There's really one more chance
Don't wanna get this fair
I'm down the rails, getting one more try
Hey, hey, hey, don't wanna say goodbye
No, no, no
Once we were both so happy
Just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why did we take for granted
All that was good
I wish we could
Find what we have
And bring it back on track
Give it one more chance, yeah
Don't wanna give it back
Give it one more chance
Don't wanna say it doesn't matter
I know we both had moments
We were both the same
No one to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, the most out of the time
Is up on wood, so good
Oh, oh, oh, yeah
Don't wanna give this to you
Say one more try
Just one more try
Don't wanna see the god
Oh, a love like we once had just can't be denied
If we both feel this way then we can come on
Let's do it all together
I'm not gonna get it, don't stand up
I'm gonna stick it all up to my heart
Don't wanna see your heart
I'm not gonna get it, don't wanna see your heart
Don't wanna get it, don't stand up
Now we are here to see more art by the way because Aurora and Paravision will play at
least the game 2 and potentially a game 3 depending on Paravision can turn it all around.
We're also talking about the art that we're creating in the studio right now because our
class is clear.
Just talk about that, we also talk about a gank that has happened in the past or maybe
it's a picture of the future.
A gank that we are trying to recreate on a campus and it's happening.
We're making a shadow shop and be careful for your sleep by the way.
You're going to tell the heroes, you're going to tell what's happening.
Sure, a shadow shop.
Should we tell the heroes?
I already said shadow shop and it's going to be at least a shadow shop.
There's going to be a shadow shop.
Wonderful.
You want to use this too for the plunger?
You just said it.
Oh my gosh.
Wonderful.
That was great.
That was entirely unintentional.
Do you want to use this for the hero?
Um, the, uh, uh, I got nothing.
Did you mix it with the pink or do you want to...
Um, I'm going to block out where things are going to go approximately.
Where the hero's going to go, yeah.
How do you guys feel about it being about here, like this big?
I would say bigger.
You want it bigger?
Bigger is better because at the moment we have three heroes, and we want them to be the main focus,
and especially because when you're doing these rakeshows, bye.
I feel like you'd be like up to, like, here.
Where's the where's the hook gonna go?
We didn't
The hook has to go somewhere guys and if we if we put the body at the whole
Head is like right here and his arm is like right here. No, no
You can do it in between like it's like shoulders head
Yeah, I'm done with that too arm and
and making this way.
It's water.
OK, that's fine.
That's fine.
You can get it out with water.
If we do the whole body here, that's like how are we going to go?
No, no, that's fine.
I understand.
You're right.
I got you.
OK, in the meantime, let's see if we can find the vision.
I will say, and Brian, you talked about the Largo, obviously,
in combination with Timings and Roshan, and for this series
in particular, for these two teams, the Largo is now removed.
So Largo out, which I think is a great first step.
We're going to find out the importance of the Roshan, like, is it irregardless of the Largo or not, you know?
Because he was creating a 17-18 minute Roshan play around that axe every game.
But maybe it's just like Jenkins said about Estini, with the fact that if you kill the Roshan at 17 minutes,
you're guaranteed for the second Rosh to also be in the same area.
Yeah.
Which favors Radiant, apparently.
Which makes sense, because that's where their outpost is.
Yeah.
That is interesting to love the layers to that, but go ahead. Well, I would also say that
It's a master. He's surely you're gonna make it wider than that. Yeah, he's gotta be fat
I think he needs to be them. Yeah, cuz you're not see you're saying this shoulders. You only see the shoulders
He's gotta be why this is basically a left arm. This is like a leg area. This is his right arm
That's about where his head is gonna be no we're all right. We're only showing the upper half of it
We don't see the whole hero. Yeah, we're like his legs are off the screen. We can do that
But that's what I thought you guys meant that's what I thought you about I decided to add some legs
But like I said, it's not done. You said it was this part without the legs. That's what I
Okay, so
Well, they're figuring that out
The one thing that I said about dude, you know if you do get radiant
If you get that Roshan, yeah, it also means that you have easier access to the Tormentor. Am I making that up?
If the Radiant goes for the first Roshem, which is the dire one.
Yeah, I mean if you control the area where they gank, you call us, like those two camps above Rosh,
which is easy for Radiant to control, like that gives you Rosh and Pormeter.
So, yeah, this is why teams are very heavily favoring.
I know people say, oh, tier one towers don't matter. This is not right anymore, in my opinion.
I think the bottom tier one tower doesn't matter.
The top tier one tower matters a lot. Falcons defense.
Which top?
Three or one tower.
I think both of them.
There's one top.
Oh, sorry.
On the, both of them.
Yeah.
Both of them.
But more so on the dire side.
Yeah, like, if you watch Falcons play dire,
they will not give that power up under any circumstance.
They will defend it over and over again.
It's usually a mar that like will just go and stand in front of it
and they'll bait, they'll bait with like four heroes standing behind him.
And I think the reason is that the tormentor,
it's just so much gold.
It's so much cool. And once again, from the Estini video, controlling the corners of the map is very good.
In Dota before, everyone wanted to control the middle of the map because on average, you can get to everywhere else from the middle, right?
Yeah, middle. By definition, that's the average.
But the Twin Gates changed this.
Like, now, effectively, the Twin Gates are another middle of the map, but they're also by all the jungle camps, so arguably more important.
And we saw a Parisian banned out Puck first phase in the previous game, another overall
first pick.
Well, it was their second pick, but they first pick it.
Is there something I'm missing?
Is that...
Like, why?
Why would they pick...
I have so high priority for Puck.
Puck's Winnery has been really good, right?
Yes.
I feel like a lot of the heroes that are common in this patch just leave Puck to be a monster
and very difficult to kill so maybe they're just trying to shut that down early.
Yeah, maybe they think that just betting the Huskars good enough for its laning phase.
Yeah.
And if they just enable it with the rest of their lineup, and they're kind of forcing
Aurora to pick their mid early anyways, and maybe they just don't think there's a mid
that ruins Puck's game enough, like in the past I feel like, okay, so what I think is
interesting about the Mars is that the only other counter really hard in lane that we're
not seen very often is Sniper. And Mars just ruins every like ranged hurricane pike builder.
Yes. You put a wall in between that and the target and nobody gets hit.
Yes. So I'm wondering if the Mars is effectively covering that. That's something we do see a
lot in Prodota where it's hard to fully like encapsulate the heroes that they're, you know,
factoring into their draft. But I think that that Mars is dissuading that because Puck
does suffer against these ranged heroes that she can't cut or it cannot kite when she's
it is playing her on the fight period and really drilled that into my head. I'm not
allowed to call her or she anymore him. It's just easier. But with the box, do you think
that they could also be supported.
That's so perfect.
I feel like...
I've kind of written that better.
With Peruvidion, I feel like you always got to think of some weird stupid things that
they could do.
A stupid case in case that it works, obviously, and I know that in the past it was done, especially
when the thing was not nerfed, the phase shift, you get regen based on them and hit them.
The towers, yeah.
Is that even still viable to play as a sport or is it just not a thing, like this is it.
We're having paravision, high prio, their cores, and sports will come like this.
Huck can't play the first five minutes of the game weirdly, though I don't think nine
class would do something like that.
That's where I draw the line.
Can the hero do random crap for the first five minutes?
If so, then it's viable for him.
If it's not, then I think that's the criteria that it needs to meet.
Okay.
Okay, so they pick Warlock.
That pretty much guarantees their safe lane is going to be a win, because they have the
counter pick plus a really strong five.
Yeah.
I mean, I see what Aurora's going for, but I also, I do like the wrench that Paravision
has thrown into the equation here, because clearly, what was happening, I feel like,
for Underlord was that he was, I know it's a random hero to mention, but he was losing
a bunch of games being picked early and then it got shifted to later on in the draft and
then when you're seeing it do really well, Puck didn't do that. Puck just started at
the end of the draft and was like winning every game so it just makes sense that it's
naturally moved up in the draft and you can protect it when you pick it like this. Like
it was the second pick of the first round and we see in the first game that it was actually
banned first round. So it looks like the stock of Puck has officially landed in first ban
or second pick, which is pretty crazy considering that puck was virtually unpicked.
Yeah, it was only a matter of time when the winner gets as good as it was, like you just
have to respect that at some point.
Yeah, people just don't have answers is what that says, right?
And you mean like the SD and the Warlock are the same venue, right?
Like they don't have good disabled against the hero.
Yeah.
They had to pick him anyways.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
It is quite surprising.
Yeah.
If you know you're going up against the puck, and obviously ShadowD won't pick before that.
Then Warlock seems... I mean, obviously, you already explained why it was good, but at the same time it doesn't really address the puck.
And I wonder if Voice Spirit alone is enough to address the puck, and maybe at some point in the game it will be, but at the start of the game it might not be.
Yeah, I mean, the problem with... Like, I was thinking, do you go something like Lion or Shadow Shaman as the puck answer?
But then you do leave yourself a bit susceptible to like early tower push like I'm just looking at this
The draft and I'm seeing like how this played out they picked chin
And warlock is their only deep push right now and then they respond with with timber saw
So he's like pretty good at putting himself in front of towers. I just think that
It's really hard for Aurora to make any meaningful moves early game like your support duo is shadowed even warlock
Yeah, like who gets ganked with that dear offlaner is not really a fire fighter start fight starter either
That's amazing. Oh
You do you need?
What do you what are you offering? I just want to know if you're hungry. Oh, yeah
No, are you offering me for the painter? Oh, no, I'm just okay. I am a little it does look to I'm just trying to confuse you
Okay, that was incredibly confusing
How confusing is the draft on the side of Paravision?
Because I feel like Cookie Cutter on the side of Aurora a little bit.
I don't think there's much confusion about Paravision's draft either.
Apart from maybe there's flex potential on the Marcy?
Or nah?
Nah, I think that's a nine class Marcy.
Pretty certain.
I'd be surprised if you carry Marcy.
It's the Marlain.
really too bad to see him try Monkey King in one game and then just give up on it in
the next one. But, I mean, you can tell how he felt in that game. And sometimes you want
to pick this very, like, specialized stuff and then you just go back to, like, this
is a good hero. It's fine in the meta. It's not some weird nine-class stuff. But also he's
good at. It makes a lot more sense. I really truly feel like it's a very difficult meta
to do what he normally does, which I respect that they go for it anyway. I really do. I
think that's one of the coolest things, but against a team that's on such a hot streak
such as Aurora, they're going to find the flaws in that playstyle.
Yeah, especially group stage 2. Every game is so, so important here. So still really
weak on lockdown. Puck, other than Void Spirit Disables, Puck kind of looks like he can do
what he wants. The early tempo between Marci and Chen just looks good to me. The anti-lockdown.
Like that, I think one of the reasons Marz is so effective right now is the same reason
like the pre-20 minute fights. Its heroes are good against heroes that don't have BKBs.
It's like one of the best ultimates against those heroes. So I like what Paravision is
doing. Can they deal with the Sven though?
I'm just not a big fan of Sven here. I did feel like they needed like a mid game damage
dealer which he is and they banned DK because he's like a stunning it's pock
but I think DK is a lot more reliable to hit the pock than Sven is like DK's
not nearly as kind of old yeah I'm just imagining now that you have the carry
counter pick you know you're in lane against Timbersaw you want a good match
against Sven you know TA was the perfect pick but they you know they put
they put that out at the very beginning in the draft for satanic I need to know
where a third mystery hero is going to go.
Next.
Interesting.
I was talking about painting, not the draft shiever.
Oh, it's in between the two.
Right next to the one that Jenkins is painting, Jenkins went a little bit more to the right
than what he was intending, I think.
But that's fine because we can easily also come up with the hero just to look really
good there.
It looks insanely good.
Like very recognizable as well.
Really great.
The length of the ability that we'll see him cast can be super short.
Agreed.
Yeah.
Like, he's literally right next to him.
But then the other guy has, the other person has to be right here.
Yes.
Yeah.
Correct.
I just am scared to draw like an arm in a hook direction until we have that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's good.
Maybe we should work on that.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, where is the shoulder of this mystery hero here?
So, this is like a left arm right here.
Okay.
This would be like a armpit and then I think I'm gonna draw it a little bit like I might have an arm coming
a little bit. Okay, okay, let me see the picture of the hero. Okay, so it is the left shoulder that has the
right shoulder. I can draw that if you want. So we saw the clink versus spend matchup today.
It looks kind of bad for
spend surprisingly just by being like such a high armor hero
I feel like the way spend plays and the way clink plays now or
little like antithetical I guess. Antithetical? Yeah, it's almost as good as the last one. What a word. What's the antithetical? Like opposite. The antithesis?
Clinks, before clinks would die to some like heavy burst, but these days clinks is all about just something like a crapload of skeletons and
overwhelming damage over a large area over a long period of time in surviving
and Sven obviously wants to play to just burst people. Yeah, Brian don't you want to do that with black?
It looks
Right ish. Let's put some black and you can mix the gray. Yeah, maybe a maybe a black gray would be good
Yeah, yeah
All right, so do we feel like paravision is gonna try to score that's the main question. I think a lot of people will have
Come on, they're not going down easy no no way no way this is I like their drop better
I I feel like they ignored the first pick puck other than white spirit, which I don't think is enough and
Then I think has been struggling for a reason when spends like the only threat
It feels kind of weird to play the hero, so I'm going to go with the Clink's last pick
for Satanic and I like Paravision's Repeter.
Okay.
This one can start on the right heroes at the start of the fight and can like foreshot
Clink's or something.
It can go well, but I feel like a lot of cases it's going to be like he's separated by a
Mars arena or some other frontliner.
It's going to be harder for him.
Yeah, a lot of it will rely on positioning them as well.
Let's find out.
Game 2 is going to play itself out.
Potentially Paravision will force out that third game to this best of three series.
easier heading over to our country duo of some kind of syndrome.
Yo, yo, yo, we got a team fight to start this game.
DuCaulis is first flooded by Mira.
This is like an A-R-A-M classic syndrome.
Ends up being a one for one.
It looks like it's still 30 seconds to spare before the golden rune spawn.
I would love to have the teams just agree to play 5v5 mid
for the first two minutes and then you get to leave
until that you have to be mid. I'm curious to see how that would change up the meta
but yeah obviously what happened here was Ducales was trying to fish for
ward information
got caught and killed and then they traded him off
for Mira who was the recipient of the first blood bounty
a good start for him overall. Time for some bounty runes speaking of bounty
Well, a lot of heroes once again. WF disposed back into the right clicks of everyone it's been, so second kill for Paravision.
Gracious me oh my.
Had a little bit of interesting alt chat at the beginning of this game, Nightfall, writing to Satanic, he's writing new hero Alan, question mark.
And then I think what Satanic wrote back means I have 40 heroes in my pool
which is
Probably untrue, but he does play a lot of different stuff
Or maybe he meant pro Dota has 40 heroes in the pool
Which I think is also close to the truth, but we're seeing a little bit of extra stuff here
This man hasn't been all that popular this tournament the rest of them
We've seen in quite many quite a few games then score
I remember we cast a game the other day, he was 1 and 6 going into that game. I forgot if he won that one
But he had not done all that hot early on
Nightfall can improve the statistics for the big yeah, we'll see sword wielding night
Most nights are sword wielding. I don't know why I think this center. Maybe it's just completely it definitely is bullshit
But okay it anyway, of course. Yeah, I should I feel like the ratio
We make fun of nightfall for nightfall in a way in many situations
I feel like his highest percentage to do so for some reason is I don't know if you feel similarly
No, I agree when I picture him BKB TPing away. It's always been in my head. It's been on more fling
Morphling, I think more fling is the clip. There's a there's a twitch emote called the nightfall and that's him BKB
It's morphin TPing out. I see I'm pretty sure that's on in terms of frequency. It's got I think Sven is probably
probably.
Which also makes sense, this is a hero where you BKB you blink and you commit, if the enemy
team is already winning the fight and overwhelming you, this hero doesn't reset well.
You're kind of in there, you've popped your stuff, if it's looking bad get the hell out.
Get the fuck out dad as Loda would say.
Very iconic clip of course.
Great content piece.
Yeah.
Why do I have to do that again?
Playing the Mars again, or not again rather, playing Mars this time.
And Kairi on his classic. Wait, was that the...
Was he the stand-in that was playing Phoenix Warlock every single time it was, right?
Yep, the stand-in for Maus when they won Valachia.
Kairi's track record as of the last half year in Pro Dota has been really good.
He stands in for Maus, they win a tournament. He joins Aurora, they win like 40 games in a row.
What can't this guy do except lose?
I guess play more than three heroes, but you don't need to if you win every game.
He's been playing more than...
He has.
Because I feel like the Vlachia that we're referring to, it was kind of egregious.
I think he, in that entire tournament, I think he played four heroes.
Four or five.
He played Phoenix, Vlach, in probably 90%.
It was something insane.
Yeah.
So what are you gonna do?
That's the thing.
Like, alright, that's the point.
Like, you can criticize that all you want.
It's a positive to play a few heroes.
That means you're really good at it
and enemy teams aren't beating you.
Yep.
So if you're gonna have a small hero
pull and win a tournament,
everybody would take that.
Maybe they'd be a little bit bored,
but hey, winning is fun.
Indeed.
Speaking of winning,
Huck got through Cinder and does that surprise you?
No, not when it's overall first phase.
This is a massive upgrade to the priority of the hero.
The thing that's been surprising me about Huck
is how good positions it has been picked into in the tournament,
where it gets picked like second to last or last in the game with no counters.
This is like, I think the hero is too good for that and has too good of a track record.
But very first phase, not a surprise. It was named last game.
So Parvizion is saying, if we want this, we better take it now.
Yeah, no one kind of owning right now.
Everybody has a 7 CS lead at just 4 minutes in.
They have picked the Void Spirit early to try to deal with this puck to some extent later in the game.
Over and off. Actually, Miros feels the water room.
Might take the ultimate price though. The potato's coming for him. Blood grenade to slow it down, but
Tukalis gets the last hit in the end.
Tukalis, which tournament was it? He had that ridiculous streak on Chen. It went like 11-0 or something before he finally lost.
Trying to think about it, but...
Yeah, I only met one tournament within very iconic video that nobody clipped, of course.
So this is his trademark hero for me. I think this is his absolute best pick in Pro.
So if it's a good metaphor or if it's a good draft for it, he will run it and he will deliver.
I'm like a good start here for our vision, to be sure.
WS's courier gets these, okay. Pro players let their, I feel like they let their guard down too
much with the greeners. That was very avoidable.
I think relative to...
They're overthinking, not overthinking, but they're thinking about so many things that they just lose track of the career so often.
I think it's the thing...
Era is mega-dead.
It's probably the smallest skill gap between heralds and pros.
Yeah, 100% far.
It's not even close.
Like...
That and dodging air, like still shots under.
Just stand still.
Herald are better, actually.
But it is fascinating when players are so good at all the little things you'd think they would also get very good at the courier
But it's kind of one of those out of sight out of mind things got my items activate courier back to playing your hero
Yeah, I know it's not as big of a deal as it used to be when the one courier got killed
Yeah, but still you're giving away quite a bit gold. There are moments that it's crucial
It's one thing to give away gold
It's more more important when you have a key item on it that dies and you lose three minutes of laning or two minutes of
Laning strength
No one is fatal bonds right now. We'll get away
Shut up the the rune exchange
It is bottom. Nice. Thanks. The arcade Mira. You are dead again
They're on top of these runes to call us very good at this when it comes to chin
some chen players a little more on the greedier side because always shows up
for power rinse I'll get that kill as you mentioned this is looking great for
par vision they're total free farming on their clinks absolutely zero
contention for him except I mean timbersaw is trying to hit some creeps
but that's it it's not taking damage very at least for WS he has got both the
lotuses but as mentioned clinks doesn't even need them it doesn't matter that
much and WS is still getting smashed both carries are owning right now it's a
little bit of an off-lane gap though I mean 2k though he's 700 behind Mars on
timber Mars has a kill timber doesn't obviously that's gonna string things
quite a bit seven-minute wisdoms will be traded as paravision do not want to
lose to their rivals, Aurora, who have become very, very hot as of recently.
This is another game where I feel like the first seven minutes flew by.
Am I in some sort of like simulation right now?
Do you agree in the first game?
I feel like it hasn't been seven minutes yet.
Time's going faster today, Shannon.
Is that a bad sign or a good sign?
It's age.
Oh, so age a lot since yesterday is what you're saying.
Yeah, all right.
Probably.
Well, who knows how long you slept for.
it was a media aggressively mediocre run I have to say you did okay for yourself
just okay yeah let's not go ahead of ourselves tier one ties it's actually
gonna be taken out yeah the defense it looks like it it's hard it's hard to
defend this car the dire line up just isn't strong right now you need warlock
to hit level six he doesn't have it even if he uses the grimoire so you don't have
The Golem, Shadowdemon is level three after Wisdom.
Mira has nothing. He's one in four.
Oh, he's about to get something.
Yeah, he needs experience from these stacks badly.
Imagine these stacks got stolen.
Shadowdemon's game is just over,
so they cannot afford for that to happen.
Individually.
They're not gonna steal him though, so that's the good news.
Clanks, not a stack stealer until he gets shard.
WS would not mind taking this for himself,
Yeah, he will do so. Mira just right on the outskirts of the X-Fee, just so his off-laner
can't see what he's doing.
Double four now. Congratulations, young man.
Fogging his teammate here.
Time to stack some more.
Shadow Demon's lot in life. If things go poorly, you go live in the jungle.
Stack, stack away.
This looks like a clean double. Good timing.
There it is. So two triple stacks on the right
hand side. Both
Spen and Timber would be happy to take these. There will be Timber.
Spen does not want to make the trek over there. Nine class gonna die to Lornoff. Basically
we got soloed there. Yep, just two Astral's at politics.
Power of the Power Rune.
Alonoff has looked outstanding on this hero, and his go-to build has been earned into Yuul's
in the games that we've seen. I wonder if he's going to deviate from that at all here.
Doesn't seem like that great of a vessel game. It's okay against Chen.
He might even argue it's good against Chen, but the cores don't exactly inspire too much reason to grab it.
So he might just go Yuul's or, yeah, he's eyeing up the Yuul's.
You should mention he's the only person that has looked good on Playspear pretty much.
We might have had like one anomaly syndrome, but generally this hero has not looked particularly
good as another rune secured from Lornaf, so we've been getting all of them.
He's going to go for the Yule's first to set up the aether remnant.
Yeah, probably going to get charred after it's a farm.
You cannot phase shift out of Yule's aether remnant, can you?
No.
I do wonder if he's going to prioritize the Agnus Scepter in this game.
Obviously the silence against Puck is theoretically extremely good, depending on what no one goes for in terms of items.
Yeah, it's part of the pick when you grab Void Spirit against Puck.
I think there's two good reasons for it.
One is, you know you're going to do fine in lane.
And the second one is, like I talked about yesterday, I feel like a big part of countering Puck in pro is forcing him to buy a defensive item.
Uh, it. Excuse me, Brian.
Now you're listening backstage and of course shout out to Piran Flax for paying close attention to the lore of the game for existing.
Yes, your existence is much appreciated occasionally.
If you force Puck to buy a defensive item, you're already doing net worth damage to the hero because what Puck loves to do is just go Witchblade, Blink, and then Parasma Octane and just running the game.
And having to buy a defensive Eul's, even if your axe costs more on Void Spirit, it still feels like a good trade off.
And you're probably not even buying ULs for that, but you've seen pucks by BKB to counter it because there's just so many silences.
The double silence plus remnant combo is hard to play your way out of with just the UL.
So if you think of it through that lens, you're spending 4200 gold to make pucks spend 4k, but your item is better, right?
Like it's way more potential in having an axe on void.
So, I would like to see that after the ULs personally.
Um, we'll see you.
Do you lose damage though?
You do. But again, Pukto's too, so it's like a give and take.
You're doing less damage than you could with something else, but Puk being slowed down has very major value in the game in my opinion.
Okay, to answer soon enough, Lawn-Off is halfway through the Yule's purchase.
Another Power Rune. This time it will be grabbed by Partivision. They finally get one.
Doctor.
No one.
Just like a book by a friend's half-coach.
Okay, I have to help.
Neither of us can read, so that's rich.
You're good at watching movies, though.
I am.
Thank you.
There's no one working on which blade.
As Blink Dagger, almost there.
Already for SSS.
And that's going to align with the Desolator on Statenac.
He wants to get these stacks up pretty early.
Man, what a quiet game.
This very sharp contrast between this one and the previous one.
And you know who's the biggest winner when that happens?
It's Chen.
Because Chen farms more than every other support in the game.
They're hitting a huge power spike, actually.
So the Deso, the Blink, the Witchblade, and the Mech.
All about to be actually the Mech.
They are mega strong on Radiant right now.
This is, uh...
See how much they can take advantage of from the Paragents dying?
I think Aurora fighting here is contingent on getting good fatal bonds.
I think without that you might not have enough damage, so you need a structure teamfight or it's going to get too hard.
Skirmishing is tough, Timber is pretty poor, Sven just wants to farm another item or two before he really gets involved.
You can see the mindset of Nightfall is kind of just using God's Strength off cooldown.
Farm faster, not showing any interest in contributing to any aggression.
And now Power Vision, sensing that they have this power spike in the lead, they want to fight for the 14-minute wisdom.
Bornoff knows this though, coming in from the left, gonna break on the colis.
Starts off with the Astral Step, Aether, Combo, we can see the spear on to the Timberstone
counter initiation, Aether with the ball, though as SSS is the first to find WS somehow
living through this, the Shadow Ward, certainly helping his cause, he gets disrupted as well
as Mira gets the double kill and the save, beautifully done from Aurora.
That was just the perfect sequence. That's exactly what we talked about. Paravision, they have a strong timing, but the one thing that can mess with them is fatal bonds, and what a combo there.
Top damage of the fight. Kaori on the warlock. 2,000 damage, minute 14 in a team fight, that's a support. Look at this replay here.
Such a nice setup next to Timbersaw. And Perge was talking about this on the panel. Sven jumping clicks, that's good news. That's exactly what they got.
and satanics like yep great power spike guys four amazing items coming together
within a minute span I do like the incident meditation strategy though he
said what he had to say and then close his eyes I said my part I'm going to
mentally reset fuck you team and if I can't and if I can't mentally reset I'm
right next to my bed that's true that's a nice it's a good strap it's a place you
can take a nap during your death timer we've had plenty of legendary pro players
fall asleep during the draft so he wouldn't be the first and he won't be the last well
this is during the game though yeah yeah but in prep for next game well I guess there's
no next game today for them I don't know is Parvish in playing again no they're not they
are not okay attempt number two well this one go better and that this time there won't
Big Ola.
Tower has been untouched, surprisingly.
There's no longer.
Just sell this.
How fast this pushes.
This is like a turbo mode tower.
Rally is just, wait, does rally work on the skeleton archers?
No, that would also have been ridiculous.
Yeah, clink needs more push potential.
Yeah, of course.
Well, four minutes away from the tour meat.
Now, does Aurora have enough items to contest?
And that fight obviously a pretty big deal with the Echo's paper, Mask of Madness with
a blank soon on nightfall as St. Tannick.
And nine-class gonna try to team up to take out Knifel, he's so close to the blank, and
he's dead.
Mars Arena ensures us to lose a couple hundred, sets him back just a bit.
It's a nice pairing with Marcy, being able to jump on an invisible hero is always great
for a surprise jump, and the bodyguard on Clink's is amazing.
I don't usually pay attention to this.
That grimoire has not been consumed yet, and that's unusual.
Yeah, I guess he hit level 6 naturally when he wanted it, so he didn't need to use the
book.
You use this in two ways.
Either you use it for a surprise level 6 golem drop, or you save it for a later breaking
point whenever you feel like there's a meaningful...
It's never good to use it to get from level 6 to 7, right?
It's kind of whatever.
Yeah, you might as well look for a later time and get it again.
But what's the break point for him?
I don't know, a fast level 12 for a better goal than a fast level 18
is the main thing I can think of.
None of Warlock's talents are particularly interesting until you get to level 25.
So...
Even the level 10 talent is okay.
More damage on fatal bonds is never better.
Alright, where's the death on goal?
Level 25.
That's a 25 talent?
Yeah, it was up from level 20. It was too overpowered.
Oh man.
Yeah.
It is good.
It sure is.
But I think it was fair to move it.
Warlock definitely doesn't need to lead buffs right now, I'll tell you that much.
So, if you want to give him that back on level 20, you've got to cut something else.
Nightfall now has his Blink, BKB obviously the next step for him.
And WS in the meantime has his St. Chaya.
And he is not depends if he wants to finish his blink. He's only a couple hundred or he's halfway to his eggs
As we are going to see the yule's into a tremendous and SSS just gets
Completely eviscerated from WS as a nice fatal bonds into the chaotic offering as well
But nightfall somehow takes too much damage despite no one
Not having the best start is too dead for Aurora
It's a difficult fight for Mira to play there, honestly.
He disrupted the Sven as late as possible, and unfortunately for him, probably would
have been better to disrupt him on half health, but you also don't want to set up the enemy
team freely.
This would be a cool one to show again, because at a high level, playing support in these
situations can be very tricky for saves.
If you use it too early, it doesn't matter.
If you use it too late, it doesn't matter.
And you're kind of second guessing yourself a little bit
Gonna check keep an eye on shattered even in this fight
It's the only thing you should be looking at here because the rest is kind of self-explanatory
It's just gonna die on Mars now here the coil comes out. He could disrupt him at any point right now cancel
Cancel now he does it and if he does it earlier Sven is gonna dodge
Hundreds of damage
Maybe even a thousand but you're also giving a guaranteed set up to nine class and the puck
So it's kind of like to lose lose there. Yeah, you need to decide what's the best timing is very hard to do it correctly
I would say in that instance he should disrupt it and instantly, but it's so easy to say afterwards
And that's a split second if that was the right thing to do Mary listening to you now
It's obviously gonna get better when Sven gets BKB. That makes it so much easier, but that was a huge moment for par vision
To get things right. Yeah at the ages pretty pivotal fight ages usually turns into torment for the same team as well
Yeah, that should just be theirs to K lead for paravision. You won't have golem for it. So I
Think I think Aurora just have to give that and that's very bad news
Sven falling behind already a thousand behind the clinks
It's probably gonna get significantly worse by the way. This is going
And WS has actually changed his
Item build is going crimson. It seems now
Kind of like it. You need something against clinks and against Marcy and Chen to some degree
It helps that's true
Question is I think I think in
In proto that I think there's some games perhaps where the five of the four can actually buy an item like crimson, but it's not like
It's not common. It's maybe not on your radar. You're generally not gonna do it
But let's say you have a good game right on a four so shadow demon or warlock. Yeah, but they're not rich enough
That's what I'm getting at here. They can't afford it, but let's say they could
You could still go damage items on timber and one of the supports could buy the Kremzin for the team so that the other heroes can get the big items that are going to win the fight.
How much are you losing based on the strength aspect to that item?
It's just HP, right?
I keep saying strength.
You are obviously losing. The item is better on timber. There's no doubt about it.
But the flat amount that it already gives is quite significant. I think sometimes those are some supports just have a lot of health.
of health. Shatter Demon gets what is it 8 strength on level 10. He has pretty good
strength gain. 3 strength gain on a support is high. So he's not the worst you afford
but like I get it. I'm not saying he should buy it but. The main reason I'm thinking about
it.
You get 2 creeps on Clink and then pop Crimson. I wonder how good that is.
Support stick.
At least he gave her a thing.
It will take whatever to make this hero viable.
He will accept anything to get to play as good old Clinks.
You heard it here first, Crit.
Probably the pro player in Dota now that has played the most games on Clinks
never gets to play it.
Because it just doesn't work as support.
So are so you saying?
Yeah.
I haven't seen it yet.
You've got to convince me somehow.
Sven has been support.
PA has been support.
As there's the, oh, what the horse happens here,
Cinder and Lordoff.
As his remnant available, Clink's is the one that deseeds...
Well, I think...
Okay, this is actually a little bit sus.
If this remnant is not going close to Puck, Clink's could take it for him.
Oh, yeah, look at that reaction.
Oh, Cinema!
Do it again!
So Clink's right on top of the Void Spirit.
Unbeknownst to him.
that would hit puck if it weren't for the pause, but now you can technically intercept it.
Marsy can jump into it with rebound.
Clinks can maybe run to the left and take it with the Aegis.
Let's see what happens.
It's really fast, too slow, right?
Surely.
I took it on Clinks.
I'm not sure he was going to react that on time.
Well, that's unfortunate.
Unfortunately.
He possibly newly picked up Crimson.
Say, Gannick, not doing too much as it was.
No, he's taking all the damage from the spin.
That's life number one.
Foil's going to step things up, though, with the Marsy really to follow.
Offering right on top of the clink as S.S.S. destroys Nightfall and K.O.R.I. in one swing.
Lorna fights the dust as well and that's just two members of Aurora remaining.
As they try to exit 9-class and company, kind of focusing WS, but he is very, very tanky.
It's gonna take a while. As the timber chain dodges, I thought he dodged the spear, but gets stunned regardless.
Rebounded to his death as well.
4 for nothing
Did the pause help Paravision?
It looked good for a moment for Aurora when they killed the clinks with the Sven jump
but here's the same problem once again
You don't have BKB
I think it's hard to just do this
but if they could somehow not fight until Sven gets BKB
it makes the world of difference
Yeah, look at that damage breakdown
Sven did nothing, he killed clinks and that was it
and you might say that's not nothing
Well, he had the Aegis, so it wasn't exactly an impactful kill.
Nightfall can't play Voli number 2, you're going to see it here, so...
They got a pretty good initiation here, he's going to jump in...
Or run in, rather.
These fatal bonds are not good either.
They got absorbed by the entire creep wave.
So you don't have bonds on the heroes for the second round here.
Now you're going to drop the Golem, and he had fatal bonds now.
Well, rebound hit 3 heroes, holy shit.
I genuinely think if he had fatal bonds there, instead of on the creep wave earlier,
with his golem. WS might have been able to kill some heroes here, but not the case.
So a nice fight, again, for par vision. And this is what you sign up for when you pick Sven.
It's get or miss. What was that? Was it the congregation? He got speared to the other
tree, but he was already traveling to his. I know it sounds weird. It doesn't. It feels
It feels like that should not work.
That's so weird.
There are certain things in Dota like that.
And it's such a weird reaction.
Those are certain works submitting a set to the shop with Centaur being a courier, and then it gets put in that also shouldn't work.
Hey, it's the crowd favorites.
It just works. What can I say?
I've never gotten more positive comments about that set.
Oh, nice set, Centaur. It's like the nicest people have ever been.
And other things that didn't happen for 500.
It happened.
Okay.
You just need to play turbo games often.
Yeah.
I definitely were supposed to do a turbo series together, but you bailed as usual.
Is that what happened? Yeah. Okay.
Well, you definitely were pressing to run it. Yeah. You know, man, I think this is the first
time you bring it up in three years. You should be able to read my mind.
Daedalus is next on the menu, has the crystal list now,
and paravision in a very healthy spot. 9k lead.
coming to this series I was expecting this to go three games regardless yeah
let's see if that holds true it's looking good right now it's looking like a
game that Sven is gonna get his BKB and they're gonna try to take a fight if
they lose that fight I think they lose the game there like we're already
approaching these Sven has one chance type of game this hero does not win from
10k deaths very often you get that one moment make it count
Chen sitting on combined net worth of enemy supports.
Yep.
As well, so they're gonna have every aura in the world, and then a dead lord on them.
Well, rebound didn't hit, but it doesn't matter.
The spear does.
Down goes to stand in for Aurora.
This is not a voidspear problem, by the way.
As much as some people have dunked on this hero, I don't really think that is the issue
here.
It's the fight selection.
It's the pacing of the Chen.
Just more on like a macro sense that it feels like Aurora are struggling here.
BKB on route for Nightfall.
I mean, even with your chance, he has BKB.
He really thinks he has enough damage right now?
Yeah, they could kill Clinkz.
And that's the key here.
Okay.
There's a Lincoln's on Puck, so you could be clutch on no one and perhaps put it on
Clinkz at the right time, or you can obviously, if you're the target, it's great, but I don't
I really think Aurora are particularly interested in jumping him.
They want to jump... excuse me, Satanic.
And they are going to smoke. They want to use this...
Freshly picked up black king bar, but no dice.
They'll have to settle for 9 class.
Oh look, the courier! Wonder where 9 class is.
Betrayed by Couriers in game 1, and betrayed by his own courier in game 2.
You will get storm hammer, they are actually going to use god strength as well and he gets
completely decimated.
That's not a bad death at all.
And it shows that he has his VKB now, so para vision are certainly aware.
We are getting a lot of pauses here, 60 FPS, there's plenty of people out there in the
audience who are like I would kill for that, sounds great.
I don't know, it is 2026, I feel like 60 is pretty low now.
It is.
How many people out there still have 60 Hertz monitors though?
What percentage?
I saw the other day a post about somebody who, a very famous streamer as a matter of fact,
who had a 240 Hertz monitor and had never changed it off the 60 Hertz setting for years
because he didn't notice.
These people exist.
That's someone making a living from streaming.
So if that person could do that.
Okay, that's a little different though. That's user error. I think lack of knowledge, right?
I think actually there's a lot of people that happens to like genuinely a lot. I meant more,
who doesn't have like who doesn't have a water that can do it 60 Hertz. Like that's very rare. I
feel like these things. Oh, because even if you had an old school CRT, that's 100 Hertz. Now they
They do it, but 100 Hertz was pretty standard back in my day.
And I remember because I went to CPL one year at the Gaylord Hotel in Dallas, and we didn't
take monitors because they were so huge, right?
So you had to rent them, and I got completely effed.
My whole team got CRTs.
I got crappy LCD, which at the time only did 60Hz, because that was actually the standard
for LCDs.
And then how did you end up with the bad screen?
Because your teammates agreed you were the worst player, or did you draw the shortest
draw?
Actually, I was the best player, so it actually screwed them, too.
Really unfortunate for all involved.
I just didn't have the confidence that I have now.
Back then, I complained, but I wouldn't say, hey, I'm the best player, I should get there.
I would do that now.
Well, not now because I'm old and yeah, I was like this sounds like a fantasy world where you're the best player
No, no more if we're playing together in Counter-Strike
I promise you can have the best monitor because in that company you are the best player. Thank you
It's been a while though
As Aurora sits on this 10k lead
And by Aurora I mean para vision of course easy to mistake them the logos are the same color
They are white of all the colors teal
The other colors would taken you want to be unique, but they were unique at the same time who has red as a main color
mouse
Who else?
Why do I have to mention more? I just instantly answered your question. You're just up in the ante
One is not enough. One is not enough. That's enough. We're talking about our black and white, then you have a couple teal
okay
I like there's many colors to choose from I missed fanatics orange and black that's right lasting
That's good. Why don't we have a team with a crimson and red logo?
Crimson crimson and red looks so good together
Crimson and gold
Very regal a regal team. I
Prefer purple and orange. That's truly regal. Yeah, if you like getting second place
Yes, it's better than stuff in any sport, really.
Yeah, that's fine with me.
So, Aurora don't really get too much out of their BKB reveal?
No, not yet.
Well, okay, they didn't get it out of the reveal, but they still haven't had a fight where they're trying to go on clinks.
Now, there's a little bit of, there's a couple of X-Fectors here to keep in mind when we talk about Sven Blast and clinks.
Clanks can get 20 armor from Chen with divine favor
He also has an ice ogre, so that's an additional five for a total of 25
That will bring clink's armor up to like
40
45 not bad
If they have that running when Sven jumps clinks, I don't know if they kill him that fast you might need demonic purge too
to get rid of all that armor from Chen.
That's a good point.
Who else is he demonic purging if he had a choice?
Is he the number one?
Yeah, I think you dropped everything on Clink's to try to kill him.
When you look at Paravision's lineup, the way it functions is that
they have a lot of control and then Clink kills stuff.
We're seeing a brooch. Very cool. Revenant's brooch.
So he's going to try to bypass the armor problem by getting magical crit.
I like it, I like it a lot.
Laura, smoke his pop, he's doing the enemy triangle, WS trying to get very aggressive.
Daring them to initiate on him, they will do so.
Arena is there, but you can see the damage coming out of both Lornoff and Nightfall.
They destroy one.
Bailton is doing work though.
Nightfall, one shot through call as it looks like.
SPKB about to end, Lorna for another Aether remnant, the Mars TPing back in but they get their prize, they get Satanic.
Three, make it four for nothing with a buyback expended as well.
No one, this would be an incredible enter to fight for Aurora and they get him as well.
I can't believe they fell for that.
How on earth do they open on a 4K HP temper with Crimson?
Oh dear, that is about the worst possible thing that could happen for Parvizion there.
That's the one guy they don't have the damage for, and there's disruption.
Just look at the replay.
That's not even close, right?
She's gonna get out the poke.
This is exactly what Aurora is trying to bait them to do.
Doesn't get off the BKB on Mars, gets killed instantly.
And now this Golem into Fatal Bonds, look at 9-class, 1, 2...
Oh my god.
The Colossus died to Cleave.
Oh my.
Full collateral damage kill, two swings, and they clean up beautifully.
And this time they didn't even have to go on the clink, because guess what, the formation
for Marora was...
At the time I didn't even realize, he TP'd in, he bought back TP'd onto the Alphus and
immediately blinked.
He had to leave.
He's lucky he didn't have a die back there.
And that was nothing short of a disaster for Partish, and that was exceptionally incorrectly
executed.
Let's put it that way.
They're entirely down the drain.
NKgon and now ages for WS in the rink of an eye. It was like they're in the driver's seat
Wow, I cannot remember the last time in proto. I've seen a graph do this look at that XP graph that is
Literally a vertical line. That's my god. What?
Wow only get worse here as Aurora will get the tormentor as well my error against lens
And this is one of those times where you need some serious mental fortitude.
I mean, you're not even in that bad shape in this game.
But you knew you were in great shape.
You took a lot of mental damage here, too.
Yeah, these teams know what the state of the game was.
And they probably still have a pretty good feeling for what it is now.
You just need to not get carried away now if you're part of vision and be like, alright,
everything went to shit.
We'll tilt-consume them.
Yeah, that's right.
Terrorism players I think are more prone to tilt than the average team for sure
Not like he a talker levels of course, but now what?
Life here is going to be absorbed by the Lincoln's he's already taken a lot of damage so gets off the orb sick of people
And the dodge the timber chain
Oh, he actually guesses correctly in the US as Lorna trying to connect
Oh no!
He's about to try to stay with those bones as well.
He's gonna get charlots now.
The Chakram is not quite enough face shift, keeping him alive for the time being.
They're trying to take him. No one dead.
What a sick kill.
WSP2.
The foresight on the Chakram, and then they hit the remnant mid-rebound.
They catch him in the air.
That was one of the coolest kills of the whole tournament right there.
Insane stuff from Aurora. Look at this. This is some incredible detail.
So look at WS here with the foresight that the blink is coming. It's going to clip him.
It might not seem like much, but the little bit of slow and damage is actually going to matter.
And here, he pulled into the remnant.
That is sick.
Then they silence him on the edge.
He's going to phase, and then they make sure to put the Shadow Poison and the Chain Edge.
They missed time that slightly, but he didn't have anything left.
No, what more can I do?
I mean, that was just disgusting.
And now the high ground, 15 seconds for no one to get back in the game.
Still two minutes on the ages, nightfall, pounding away, this is going to be a set.
You can see on the minimap, television looking for a potential wraparound through their triangle.
Will it be in time though Aurora already exiting?
No, not in time.
China, have we talked about the Chen Axia?
Well, he bought it?
Yeah, he does have the axe hand of God, so...
Aww...
So this effectively, the simple way of thinking about it is...
You're channeling AOE BKB for your teammates, but not yourself.
Kind of like...
Big Bad Voodoo from...
The Shadow Hunter hero in Warcraft 3, if you can remember.
Classic, yeah.
Air-Revision, looking for something, they'll find Mira.
And they'll get him.
One crit will do it.
How good is Clemsis game?
Silence from Puck.
Is that it?
Yeah, that's mainly it.
It's still a really good one to cleanse though.
That is, yeah.
You can cleanse Penitence.
Yeah, true.
Offensive Uals.
Wait, does it...
It actually takes off Uals?
Wait, it's...
Demonic cleanse is not dispelable, so it should.
It's like a continued dispel, right?
So I would think if you have it running on the target and they get Ual there, I would think...
You can't use it on them while they're Uals anymore, right?
right now is the right so I think if you have it running and they try to you all
you I think you instantly come down I would think so sometimes I never
connected that is one of them we'll see we'll see you're probably right though
they do have one on Marcy but it's it's kind of unlikely that they're gonna use
that offensively now right like that I don't think so well ages about to expire
But Satanic, the item, is now equipped by Nightfall. He is looking very scary indeed.
As you can see, the Simbersaw is getting very aggressive. Nightfall actually using God's strength just to double tap 9 class. That probably feels really therapeutic.
You know, I've talked about heroes that never get truly boring to watch with shadow fiends.
I kind of feel like Sven is in that category, even when he's overpowered, there's just something about...
In those moments, yes, but most of the game, I would say he's actually a boring hero.
Yeah, sure. But those...
When he's hitting at full strength, that's fun.
I think Shadowfiend is just fun, like, the whole game.
Sure.
Like, his laning stage is fat, that's like the most iconic 1v1 hero, right?
Yeah, it just doesn't really get played like that right now.
No.
But I'd agree, it's particularly fun to watch Shadow of the Man.
Again, this is not an insurmountable leap at all. It's just that Aurora has flipped this script upside down.
It was in favor of Paravision to say the least.
I wonder what was the percentage? Did you look... was it like an 80-20 probably?
No, it was never even that high.
Oh really?
The highest favor that Dota Plus gave Paravision was 60-40.
It loves Warlock, more than anything, more than Spectre, more than any other support.
Support Spectre?
Probably with it, it has no data to go off of.
Octarene now for Lornaugh.
Looking for an opening.
That's the blink coil.
Oh, that is a rune.
Octarene Arcane rune.
Yeah, his stuff is ready non-stop.
They're going to pop the smoke. WS looking to take the brunt of the damage, but it's Mira instead.
They get the connection onto SSS. He pops his BKB.
They'll a nice rebuke to cancel the timber chain.
There's nine class now.
be the one-for-one trade to start this fight. No one, he's gonna get silent. They have a
storm, half his knock-in-a-hand spaceship just in time. Buy back from the Marcy. Good spear
onto the Timbersaw, already half HP. He does have to be a bit careful. Kayori drops the Golem.
Dropped it on Clinkz as a zoning tool, basically, there, trying to force him out of the fight.
Kind of a weird fight overall. Yeah. You can tell Parivision are doing their best. Now it's
enough plop though they just they understand as they should the power of warlock you need to play
more on angles simple but yeah now that god strength is down look for paravision i mean
they bought back as well so they kind of have to make something happen here in the short term i feel
like especially with roche potentially being up the next 40 seconds
This little window, if this is a fast roche, how long for God's strength at the moment?
That's only 40 seconds.
This ability has a much shorter cooldown than it used to.
Do you remember in Dota 1 it was purgeable?
Yes, and Brood's ult as well.
Which they should have hungarious to be the ulti.
The fuselblade had charges.
And that dispelled by default.
And you couldn't upgrade it originally.
had to sell it and buy a new one. You had 8 charges. Or you could buy new charges with
recipe. Yeah, you could get level 2 that wouldn't stack though. You'd have to use your charges
for then upgrade it. And Jules upgraded into Scythe of Vice. We've come so far. Oh my
god! Oh my god! A nice couple of spears! Is this going to be enough to get a kill? He
has no backup though! A good Jules though onto the Marseille. That's going to be a dieback
for 9 clash if he goes down. And he will. 75 seconds. Warlock somehow staying alive in
this engagement as satanic is found by lauren off gets off the stylus to
simulate to safety though meanwhile nightfall deletes you call us sss next
on the list triple kill for your spend and satanic it's caught out trying for
the nightfall in front of nightfall himself no way you're gonna get away
with that nobody escapes the master
not feeling himself all chatting to no one saying come here he tried to do his
Signature move in front of that that is disrespectful
Poor dead only two buybacks there. This is gonna be a second lane
There's a tier two bot
So no mega's incoming unless they want to try to force potential buybacks for a throne play
This is the second set. You've got to back off and take Roche. They're getting everything.
Man, this game just swung on its head from one fight and Kaori Warlock isn't doing it
again for this hundredth time. Let's see. So here's the result. This is a very good
connection but like you pointed out there's no follow-up so a two-man arena
might look nice but puck is too late, Clint isn't doing barrage into the arena
so you're not dealing the damage. Effectively at this point you're actually
very very far behind in this fight. Mars popped everything, you didn't kill anyone
Clint's half HP and Sven has yet to use all his stuff so here he comes one two
swing. He was channeling the DKB and of course he doesn't get it himself.
And this is why it's a pike puck.
Harpoon is such a good item on Sven.
A hero that used to be, I mean it still is, it's still a kiteable hero, but Harpoon certainly
makes it easier for Sven.
Yeah.
So Aegis, for Nightfall we got the Damage Rune aka Dr. Lornoff, like we talked about before,
of the because of the changes to if giving spell damage plus attack damage
it's one of the best heroes in the game hero yeah amazing on your ulti I mean who
would be the best in the game carry tiny terribly it still terrible if you just
mean just raw value from a DD you look at the heroes that have massive base
damage right tiny has ridiculous base damage so getting plus percentage is
crazy on that hero and I think the hero that has the second highest base
damage in the game is Terrorblade when he's metaed or Morphling fully adjumorphed
I guess those three are all of my picks. Morphling is good. Yeah, that's a good choice.
I like the ones that have both physical damage.
It's still the physical part is just way stronger, right? So that's still generally going to trunk the other ones.
Kayori with a shard. What a shard!
Congratulations, you've cast up Hevil twice this game for a 2-0 grand total of 5 points.
Oh, by one? Is this going to be another long chase?
I think this one is safe, can't reach him this time.
It's funny that, because Warlock is still so good, this shard has never been improved.
It's pretty garbage in most games.
Ultimately, certain heroes feel more balanced because aspects of them are just right up bad.
Titanic!
Yes, the BKB here, he might die anyway.
Golem up, pops the BKB, taking a ton of damage, tries to TP again!
It's not happening today!
not in front of nightfall he knows the counter the counter is killing you that's
right the only person who knows that counter to keep being out he knows it
well he's been there he wonders all the time why does nobody do that to me he
has seen that side of the matchup himself it's like if it works on me it
might work on them and it does and now he has refresher on the way they are
They're almost certainly going to force this buyback, still with that Aegis.
Very slow wave to get there, but eventually it's here two falls as Meal Bile.
WS just chilling in the enemy base, getting nice reactive armor stacks.
Doesn't have Flamethrower yet.
Fortification not going to do much with that Roche banner.
They're going to have to buy Vexatonic here.
This is the last ditch effort.
It's so expensive to buy him back, but if you don't do it, you're losing Megas.
Indeed. Lornoff puts himself in what normally would be considered a precarious spot, but...
...Perovision, not interested, apparently. Nightclash Johnson immediately silenced and immediately killed.
No buyback.
Now the buyback would make no sense.
Well, saving buyback for next game on Clink's, I guess.
I guess so. He wants to have a good old-fashioned Mega Creek comeback.
So that is Megas. Aurora, like, alright, he definitely doesn't have buyback, guys.
Let's just continue.
Ages for a minute and a half.
And the words of Quinn,
you can't lose with Mega Creeps this fast.
What did they change to make that feel that way?
They did something with ranged barracks, didn't they?
Uh, I don't know just how much changed except Quinn's lookout on life.
Outlook, you mean?
Thank you.
Not to be mistaken for Microsoft Outlook.
There's nobody who says that. Absolutely.
Has indeed not changed over the years.
So, unlike Quinn, it remained the same.
Meanwhile, Nightfall with his BKB destroying yet another Kargan.
He's dead. He has Vibeck. He has no BKB to work with.
Coil not going to do too much, Spear as well, because of the BKBs as Nightfall.
Has that refresher and going anytime he wants.
No one pops the golden item himself up. He will rate
Still being channeled. They're like for one full nine class do call us
Activating his BKB for his team. It matters not night falls doing so much damage
They can't get him a new lease on life, but the ages is still there as well
So another lease on life for him as
GG's eventually come out because they can't it did die in the midst of all that and Aurora
Well, we thought this was going three games in there. I'm not the case
We had every reason to think so as well.
My paravision set themselves up for a great mid game with a couple of good decisions and exploiting Sven's weaknesses.
Aurora get one moment of opportunity which, unfortunately, that's often how it is with games like this.
I have to say paravision kind of set that up for them.
Aurora were never going to get that good of a fight, but that blink spear on WS at your own triangle
The fully team-like losing Roche and Tormenter, within two minutes, was a 10k down the drain.
And more, most poetic fashions say TANIC ending the game 666, so if you guys are superstitious
out there, look out at home tonight.
And Nightfall has been on quite the heater since he talked shit about him, since he's
not a crazy.
You're exaggerating, you talk shit about him.
I said Aurora.
I definitely started it.
I singled out nightfall and he's proving me wrong every step of the way.
I am happy to be wrong. These guys are playing great.
You know, now that his hairdo has improved drastically, so has his gameplay.
I don't know if there's a connection, but yeah, perhaps.
Let's put a shiver to wrap up this bad boy.
Yeah, I'm with you guys.
I did also think for a large portion of this game,
that there would be a third game to this series,
but Aurora, they strike back.
I know exactly when to hit and when their power spike is.
And I'm impressed, Brian. This is cool to watch.
Yeah, that's the sign of a team that's in peak form when they win the games that it feels like they shouldn't win.
And that game definitely felt like after the first 25-30 minutes that Aurora should not have won that game.
And they showed what they could do despite a huge deficit.
Hats off to them. This was like a really sick play overall from our vision, like that three-man stun from 9-Class.
class. This was my highlight of the game. This foresight that we saw from WS's
Chakram, and this might be the sickest ether room that I've ever seen. And yeah,
overall just, you saw no one space after that play, or you just deep sigh?
Like, what else is there? Yeah, what else do you do? You start to like,
potential drag. It's just an impressive play from, from like, you just got
outskilled, but you didn't even like doing it across. Yeah, I think the mark of a
a good team is when we can point at pretty much every single player and make an argument
for them being MVP. Like we have that remnant for Lornauf and I was sitting there thinking
like watching these highlights, like Kayori somehow in every single fight is sitting like
a four or five man fatal bonds and like a three man absolutely disruptive warlock golem
and I don't know, Sheaver maybe as a position five player you can tell me, I feel like this
hero is a little hard to look stylish on it's it's a positioning is gonna be
really tricky or a slow little old man yeah not that little buddy still slow
man and so positioning of career was was great this game for it yeah it was
definitely really good and I feel like in a lot of the fights too he was there
to put the healing word on top of the spend the guy that's hard to kill that's
tanking lots of physical damage who's getting disrupted right before he dies
it's like they just kept getting as much length as they could out of their team
fights, and that eventually paid off in that one crucial fight near the the
tri-camp. And then from there it was like, oh man Sven is just perfect for these late
game scenarios once he's ahead. He's like, he doesn't care about Mars ulti, he
doesn't care much about planks as long as he starts on them. It just looked good.
You know a problem Nightfall used to have. A problem that Nightfall used to
have was when he needs to make really good decisions in every single fight
Otherwise, like if one fight goes badly they lose he would often choke like this was an issue for nine for for night fault
Not a problem anymore. Like I really truly feel like his entry into every fight was always like
It's the bursting a target that needs to be bursted and it's
Easy to look at that in retrospect and say like okay. What a great spend game whatever but in reality
It's like he chose his moments perfectly
I personally think spends one of the hardest heroes to play at the highest level like you either
You either kill everybody because you jumped perfectly or you literally don't hit.
You get kite hit.
You look like an idiot.
Yeah.
So I just wanted hats off to him.
Like I do think spin at the highest level is very difficult to play.
Yeah.
Cause you just have like that six to nine second BKB window, right?
And if you don't kill the right guy in that time period and your BKB goes away, you're
melee, you can't regap close.
It's tough.
What did you want to highlight in particular for this game, Brian?
Yeah.
Because what Jenkins mentioned, I was struggling with players to highlight in this game,
but I chose to do a head-to-head between the two midlaners of no one as well as Lornoff.
I wanted to highlight this because I've been a huge skeptic of Void Spirit throughout the tournament,
especially as a response to Pock. And yeah, no one had his number for the first half,
but Lornoff, you know, he had the net worth by the end of the game.
And even though the damage from the Pock was clearly higher than what Lornoff dished out
with the Void Spirit, you know, we pull up these fights that the pivotal fight in this game
between you're gonna see how the Void Spirit plays a huge part in killing the Pog, but this is the
part that was a bit suspicious maybe going on the Timbersaw, not the most ideal target, but Void
Spirit, we've been seeing a lot of Void Spirits like skip the Yule Scepter or like a single defensive
item, but because he's able to stay alive and they don't feel comfortable committing, just look at
the extra cleanup kills that they're going to get because of Lornoff. That's number one on the
Clinks. And then the puck, no one's going to go try to go back in. Feels like he's probably
survivable. Then he gets caught again with the aggs into the aether remnant. And then, you know,
if that wasn't enough for no one, feeling like he's getting schooled a little bit. This for me,
I know we've seen it a few times replaying the game, highlighting the end of the game, but this
was one of the most impressive kills I've seen in a while. First, we're going to give the highlight
to WS because everybody on this team deserves a little bit of a spotlight as he preemptively
chocker rooms and this ether and I don't know if he was predicting like the Marcy and trying
to prevent that from happening. I actually think he was trying to prevent the Marcy from ever pulling
him in the first. Okay. Yeah. That's my thought but either way that's still like it's really
it's preempting somebody coming and saving him essentially. Yeah. No good team like his teammates
are going to come support him regardless of who it is how they're going to do it and then he gets
the catch there just really good foresight which I feel like I feel like
doing an interview oh my no fucking way yes what fucking way you actually showed
up to the interview bro how you doing buddy can you hear me yes I can hear you
I'm just excited how you doing yeah I mean doing good we've been like winning
everything I don't remember like when last time we lost so feels actually good
Which is great for me because I'm the biggest fan of your team and I feel like I'm finally
Rectified in being the big fan. So I got some questions for you
I've prepared over all of the interviews that you've declined and avoided
The first one is that in that game
I believe your entry into the fights was very important like who you jump
How you jump in you could easily lose the game if you fucked that up. So my question to you is
is what was your idea on playing the team fight in that game?
So I know you were thinking about it.
I mean, it depends, honestly, on situation.
Like, mid fight, for example, I just jumped mid.
Mars, who just showed to mid wave, we were smoking there,
and it was pretty fucking unlucky.
He just speared the wave,
and I should have just jumped a bit, I guess, left,
and just be not there.
And then if we would kill him,
I think this game would be, like, pretty simple for us.
If you just kill things there, get me tower, I think this game ends in like 10 minutes, but after that,
I mean, we just need someone to start the fight, and for this game, it's me, so I'm just jumping first,
killing a guy, and hoping my team will save me, and with second jump, I'm trying to get things if I can.
Okay, so first jump is like, whoever you can insta-kill, probably a support, and then second jump is always clings.
I'm just jumping like first target games to just open fight for my team, for Team Bear,
for as the team bear just going in first and showing me a hero and I'm just jumping in
because it's only me who can kill.
Interesting, cool.
Okay, so I wanted to ask about the Sven vs. Clinkz matchup.
I think we've seen a few teams picking Clinkz against Sven, which they did.
I also noticed you went Revenant's brooch, so my first question is, do you think Clinkz
is good against Sven right now?
And the second question is, why did you go for the Revenant's brooch this game?
I think it's much up to Sven against Cleanse, it's not black and white really.
I played from both sides and I think each can win.
But this game, I just feel like we have a bit of outdraft.
If this game gets like 30 minutes and the game is draw, I feel like there's zero chance
they can win the fights against us.
But just pure Cleanse against Sven, I don't know.
I would say it's like 50-50 and kind of depends on situation and other heroes, but I'd say when games goes too late, it's already hard for Clinkz, when Clinkz gets right and a lot of armor, you just cannot kill the heroes.
Actually, is Clinkz why you went for the Revenant brooch?
Revenant Broch, I usually kind of never buy it on Sven, I think Daedalus is way better, but there was, I don't know if you've seen the fight for the game, which was on mid wave, and I just put on farm Daedalus and I had like 1k 200 gold, and I just bought Broch before fight, and it's actually good broch against like Mars with plate mails, they have Chen who will give E to first target, and it's actually gave me a lot of damage, and yeah, we just won that fight and came back game.
I see, so you felt like the game was basically going to be determined in the next few minutes
and you just needed something to give you like a ton of damage.
Yeah, it was the best damage per gold I could get at the time.
Very cool, thank you. I wanted to ask about what language you got your speaking on the team.
Obviously, you have WS as an offlaner, but Warnoff as your mid. Are you guys speaking Russian or English?
No, we're speaking English from the start of the season when Oli and Mikota came.
But with Lorinov, it was 100% English in-game, but when Lorinov came, he sometimes spoke in Russian, which I don't really like, but just talking to, for example, Miro or Kori, they sometimes can speak Russian, maybe 30 seconds for 40 minutes in-game.
Interesting. Okay, I have some questions from Brian for you, Niffl.
Well first I want to ask about Sven. I think it's a very difficult hero to play in
regards to how you approach fights as as Jenkins was mentioning, but something that I thought about Sven is a team like Falcons for
Skeeter he's more of like a
Enabling type of Sven while I feel like when I watch your spin you're much more of like the hard carry type
And I just wanted to get your thoughts on like Sven's role in the draft and how that varies from player to player. I
I mean, I think it's just for every hero, each player can play differently and skitter
just as a player has in his team more supporting role to like support Malarin and Amar.
And this game I was kind of a bit playing that role for like 30 minutes before I got
big items because I just needed to jump first and just kind of get the B first contact and
not die, but usually I'm playing to solo kill people and to just kill everybody.
first fan, I mean just nice that this hero actually is back in the meta, I think I'm
one of the best fans out there and the pool to play this hero again.
Yeah awesome, the last question is actually a follow-up to what Jenkins asked you and
you responded knowing that you guys couldn't lose the game later on and I know there's
a lot of factors and a lot of dota is maybe not describable, a lot of feel going on, but
how did you, like what decided that, is that something you knew in the draft, is that something
you felt later on, how do you know that the game is so much easier for you guys to play
later on?
Yeah, I'd say it's not like we're some team vicious upper hand above everyone, it's just
based on draft every game, and just this game we have like five... I mean not five,
but maybe four crazy scaling heroes, it's like SD, Sven, Void Spirit, Timber, I get
chart later on and we just have like 3 mccourse mod falcons with then armor and SD behind
us which will just ult clean so just give second spell to me or Timber and just damage
vice it's impossible to lose fights when enemies just have only one damage dealer which is
twins. It's hard to play like this in late game.
Awesome. That's great insight man, thank you.
And I have one more question for you regarding the Dota game. Do you want to go grab a coffee
with me sometime? No, I'm good. I don't really go out, honestly. I like, I ordered just
like coffee even just for there when I mean I could the walk like few minutes, but I'm
too lazy to do it. Okay, so my first time being rejected there and I thought thank you
so much. Hopefully we'll see you back here again. Congratulations. I know you have like
cool friends with like no one and Lauren also there. Yeah, we'll see with Lorna. I think
He also doesn't leave his house to be quite fair with your teammate.
Alright, thank you very much for the interview.
We appreciate it.
We hope to see you again.
Okay, goodbye guys.
Oh, that's good.
Sorry, Jenkins.
I'm sorry that he shot you down.
But you know what?
Sometimes I think it's better if the person that you ask out is just firm.
You know, it doesn't leave you on.
You got to respect that too.
Oh, if you watch it.
Yeah.
You're showing bivoult.
You shot all.
You know exactly where you stand, Jenkins.
Exactly.
You're not even worth the reminiscence.
I'm fine.
I have that color palette.
No more nightfall interviews.
No more night.
So with Aurora 2 Owing, with Aurora 2 Owing, we're still a little behind schedule, but
we are having another series coming your way very soon, but we figure we keep you up today
without tapping on the table as well because we have a little bit of progress update for
our painting.
The job was to paint a gank.
And that's what we've been doing.
It's a work in progress, okay?
I need to get some stuff.
You think I should outline my guys in black like this?
I think so.
I think it adds a lot.
Is the art style like too inconsistent
if it's not like that?
I think it adds a lot.
I can do it for you as well if you put the front up.
Is that why you did the black outline?
I did the black outline.
Okay, I trust you on that then.
Yeah, you can do a black outline on them.
If you use a very thin brush, I think.
It was like a medium brush.
Yeah, you gotta use the thinnest brush for the other one.
Yeah, I think I'd use a thinner one
for your character.
Actually, production, while we go for this break,
We need a clean bowl of water, especially since our brushes are like very dirty and stuff.
So we need the clean bowl of water, probably two clean bowls of water at this point, but
we also need a clean couple of players, ten players and two coaches preferably.
We have got wading in the wings, falcons and Bat Boom coming at you after a break.
Let's go, let's go, let's go
Right where I wanna be
Let's go, let's go
J-Zone, I'm deep in my zone
Spread love, you'll be making it known
I'm really feeling that we go together
Cause it's all good times, yeah now I'm forever
I'm really feeling that we go get up
Cause it's all good times, yeah now I'm forever
In the booth or in the club, wherever I go
I turn the music up, whatever the day
I make waves, make dreams, make moves, make love
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow
The times before, yeah, we letting it show
Hands to the sky, yeah, I feel it so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
I feel being nice, star shine, you'll be light up the night, good vibes, and I'm rolling
like ice, and I'm cool like ice, ice.
Baby, when you look at, look at me, it's a magic what you see, tell me it's a love
but it's fantasy.
Am I dreaming?
Step to the left, yeah, move for the flow, good times, boy, you'll be letting it show,
In this show, hands to the sky, yeah, feeling so free
Love in the air, yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Yes, yes, yes
Right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
Cause I'm right where I wanna be
Yeah, I'm right where I wanna be
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I fear, it's a lot just to fear
Though I'm a hope to reach it
This is the day that I must say
I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, it all went wrong
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
I want it more, I'll be there than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we seek and the hope we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough! Enough!
Oh well, oh well, oh!
Enough, enough!
I don't know why but it's over now
so let's just say goodbye
Enough! Enough!
I can't go on
enough, enough!
It all went wrong
Enough! Enough!
I don't know why but it's over now
so let's just say goodbye
I can't go on, enough, enough
Get on and on, enough, enough
I don't know why, but it's over now
So let's just say goodnight
I can't go on, enough, enough
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
I don't know why, but it's over now
So let's just say goodnight
Guess what you're watching?
Guess it?
Ah, I think you are right.
Probably guess the record.
It's in the 28th.
And we're painting.
Painting a pretty picture and we're opening the falcons in Bed Boomer.
Also gonna paint us some pretty pictures in the Dota game because I think this could be a good one now
I say I think because on paper that boom only just scraped by they had to play tie breakers against here
And let's not forget and they won
They went zero four. It's really bad
whereas Falcons
They weren't as dominating as I think people thought that they were gonna be
But they still made it through because they're Falcons and everybody kind of expected them to make it through
So I'm very curious to see how this one's gonna end up just I'm curious to see how this painting is gonna end up
We're making a gank. That's the painting. We're making a gank the morning crew made a gank and we have to make a ganking picture as well
There you go, that's our gank so far
The black lines help a lot on yes, believe it or not, but sniper is the one who is getting ganked
You feel like I should say that considering there will be a story. Don't worry. We'll have a story
That's wonderful
But you know, let's not be around bush here. We got ourselves
Falcons and bedroom and I just painted a picture saying that this could be evens, but Jenkins will it be?
Versus bet bones. Yeah
You know, I think I think that boom has consistently for like the last two years been the team people forget about and
the people
Count out, but I believe that their games
games yesterday? They played yesterday versus OG. Those games looked significantly better
than their group stage games. So yeah, I'll say they're on an uptrend right now. Falcons
is kind of about the same.
We do want to add some silver to your block so it's not just like a really harsh same
color.
Okay then, give me some silver.
Give it a little mix. I think everything is in front of you.
Oh, okay.
Can I do my segment?
Oh, okay. Yeah, sure. Talk about this game.
Yes, so I did a little bit of looking into the previous Falcons games. There's got to be something in there silver
Some worshipper I know there's a lining here somewhere. She's got a ways
Let's take a look at the graph the charts that I made the graphics there
We go look at the these are the five most contested heroes of the term so far and the number two one is a guy that I want to talk
Well, shout out to 32 picks 68% one rate. He's the second most picked hero. He's good
He's also banned 80 times at a good one rate. So you're supposed to pick or ban these heroes
Let's take a look at the next part, which I completely forgot what it is.
This is the most recent draft.
Now, something goofy happened here, and it is the first phase bands that Falcons did.
They left SF3, they banned a Spectre and a Wraith King.
That's the only bands or picks of those heroes for the entire tournament.
So they basically let their opponents pick Shadowfiend, and then they picked some adjustments.
They basically said, we know Shadowfiend's good, but we've decided that we're going
to make sure that we let him and other heroes through, and we think we can beat it.
So let's take a look at the clips that they did.
They actually played Amar in the mid lane with a Viper.
That's right, their opponent dodged the Viper by putting Puck in the safe lane,
and look at the six attacks that Amar got off on Shadowfiend in the first wave.
There was like one last hit in the whole zero last hits in this entire game at this point in the game.
And he gets Shadowfiend that low, that's tons of bonus damage.
And Amar really just showing himself as the Viper, so we're getting two more hits in here.
And he's getting bonus damage from his innate.
16, look at this, look at this, this is Shadowfiend starting the game.
How's he supposed to last hit if he's got to deal with this thing?
It's really tough from he eventually does bring a salvo gets his HP back up to full
But by the time he gets that he's got to deal with Viper having a huge net worth advantage over him
He's got rate bends to work with he's got bracers
He's just got to sit really really far back, which is not going to be a good time for him
That's his salve coming back out
He eventually will heal the full here and later on as this the laning stage continues
He does even try to get that raise out gets denied. I think the clip jumps in the second. I can't remember
There we go. Beautiful. So now we're kind of laning stably, but what happens here is Viper gets even more harass on him
He gets down to half HP
He goes to get his water room and then he walks back towards the mid lane
But Viper moves forward making him walk around just the show of a good Viper player. Viper moves to the right going for his water
And he says SF go for it. Watch this Glith here on the wave. Gliths right before the second raise and as a result
He basically has to run this goofy way because if he doesn't he dies to Viper
So this is basically them saying look we're gonna let Shadowfiend through. We know it's good
But we have solutions against it and we're gonna outplay your shadow fiend. However does Viper ends up getting this kill
We have some nice all chat from Amar there. That's approximately 16 smiley faces
So this ended up getting him way ahead of the shadow fiend
The shadow fiend eventually did catch up
But they're letting this hero through and it might have just been against that team matchup
But we'll see what happens in this series is shadow fiend gonna be the hero that they say we know he's good
But we're gonna run through because we think we can play with him or beat yours. I think that might be a case
It's water paint so it's not you're not gonna die. He somehow got a gigantic
splurge of orange paint in his mouth don't know how he did it
Yeah, it has been recognized and it has been dealt with Fipers band wonderful
Maybe it's just specific who knows but yeah chain does look nice
Yes, that's helpful.
Yeah, I'm wondering if I should keep doing it or if I like, I'm not sure, because it gets so thin.
Yeah, I'm worried maybe. I think it looks f-
Fade it out. I was kind of going to leave it as it is.
Fade it out.
Fade it out into gray.
Also, I can't see the colors from this angle.
Oh, this is nice.
So, the tower should be bigger.
Oh, we need a lot of trees.
Alright.
The tower would be bigger? I can make the tower bigger.
I feel like the tower should be bigger.
The tower should probably be...
The tower is okay at that size. You just have to show context for it being not big.
No, no, no, because look how far away they are, and so this is not that much farther away.
This is what we can do. We can put bigger trees here, and we can put smaller trees over there to show that this distance is far.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Painting.
Something is smaller?
You learned a lot in that one-hour wine painting class.
Why was there wine in the pool?
I took part when I was in 7th grade.
Can we talk about Sun King?
That's a Falcons classic right there.
Right there. I mean everyone's second-phase banning it. So I guess I guess they if you were really wanted you got that pick it
Yeah, I mean sometimes it's very convenient to have a hero where a player on your team says like yeah
You can legit first pick me this and I'll do fine because then you get to see other stuff and you know get a better game for like a
More or Skeeter for example because this is going to be a Malorin Sand King
He seems to think that it's just good and honestly
The stack farming games that I've seen where like a mid or an offline goes and farms big ancient facts
Whether it's like Beastmaster or Timbersaw something like that. It looks good. It feels like the meta
Like that's a really nice power spike for this meta
You get some guy with like big items before some 15 minute fight you take over tormentor area
And then you take the tormentor you like blow up the whole game from there
Maybe something just works about it and Falcons has figured it out
is the tower big enough now?
mine?
mine you have an air helicopter view
yeah it looks good I'm wondering if we should do something like the twin gate or like a
staircase in the background or something
can't do
if you think you can make it make it
I'll make the top of this tower
unless you say it's not big enough in which case I'll make it bigger
I mean, it's meant to be furred, like, Pudge is the closest, and then it gets further away as we go that way.
So I think that size makes sense, based on Purge's description.
What do you think, Purge?
We can make it work.
I think that size makes sense, man.
Great. Okay.
Context of this draft, as well, is we're in the second pick phase.
We've got a tusk coming out from Falcons.
The bands were on the Centaur, Weaver, and the Chen.
They're in the second phase, so...
Oh, I have an idea.
Oh, is it a Dota related idea or something related idea?
I mean, technically the painting is Dota related.
Sure, okay.
What if we add a ping?
The Pudge is getting pinged for missing the hook.
So we want to put like an exclamation point above his head?
Yeah, and we could somehow show this guy's color?
No, you would ping the mist hook.
That's what you would do.
But we would need to do it's drawn so that it's like on the map horizontally.
I was thinking like do we want like a stun bar and stuff that's in the game of Dota
But I also feel like we actually did such a good job showing what is happening like it's so you don't need to I don't think
We want to put tech stuff
I think it lowers the value of what we are probably right. Yeah, I was thinking something similar as they're running through my room
That's true
Jarocopter coming out
You guys see how the tower that I drew is smaller than shevers
What story that tells oh because that's where they're in the bed. Oh, that does tell how this tree is smaller
as well. This is somewhere between the tier one and tier two then because these are two dire types.
Yeah, this is the tier one and that's the tier two. Okay. That makes sense. Wait, so then we could
maybe draw like a path going from this tower to this tower because it's like a lane. Sure.
And trees in the background. Yeah. I'm not even gonna try too hard on this tower. I'm just gonna
pull a little red in it and we'll be done with it. I think that works out. The details don't have to
be perfect for the stuff in the background. It's about the armpit hair and the snake use.
You guys like the armpit idea. I do like the green addition. Yeah, that's a good a great job. Yeah, Jack hero
What a surprise so that seems like a very stable opening three here is from that room. That's like it's super evil
You want the red paint their ships for your tower? Yeah, but I think the tower needs to drive
I mean, I guess one thing that they're lacking is is if you want to go for more stability
I would say like a spirit so hero that can actually
actually not only get in there and start fights, but a hero that can like chip.
Because they have some good heroes for just doing like chip range damage, literally all
three of the heroes on the side of that boom.
Falcons goes with their classic off laner, Bristleback, which I think the reason that
this team values Bristle so highly is because like this is arguably the best formation style
off laner that there is, where like you just group up as a ball and stay together as a
the team and I think Falcons is one of the best formation teams.
It exists in the river coming from here because that's what it looks like.
Bristol is such a nice, stable guy.
We probably should put a river on this.
You know you're safe.
I'm saying if we make the river thick here and then it trails off into the distance where
it combines with the...
More perspective.
That's what I'm saying.
That's the perspective.
Oh, from the water area.
There's a water area that goes like this and it fits perfectly with the shape that we
have.
Brian's addicted to perspective right now.
I am.
You taught in perspective and now...
I'm just trying to understand your perspective for so long, and now I finally do.
Art is math.
Sort of.
I can understand art better if you tell me it's math.
Now they have a hero to go in on Bethbom.
There you go.
I like that.
Oh yeah, well you've finished it up with the spirit hero, and you've got like just
the textbook drop.
Yes, the most stable, completely normal draft.
You can cook up for sure.
Also very strong heroes generally speaking.
I'm going to stack these.
But not hugely countering the Falcons line up.
I don't think they have anything that's like, oh this is good against Sand King.
Anything where like this is good against Bristol.
I mean I guess they have the SD break against Bristol, but it's so late into the game that
you get that.
And Bristol will have Sojin Yasha, especially if it's a Mara playing it.
It's not hugely impactful.
I've got a really important question.
Should we use Dark Blue for the river or should we use Light or Blue?
Like a green of blues?
Mix some blues and greens.
Mix blues and greens, yeah.
I think the green is blue.
Yeah, we didn't get the spirit ban so far,
but the puck would obviously also fit.
Yeah, puck is a spirit.
Quap is also a spirit on some patches.
Any of those type of heroes.
Is that something,
because what can do a better job against a sand king?
Because that's the thing, right?
You opening pick,
I don't know what second pick,
because Falcon's a second pick.
You opening pick a sand king.
I don't think you can beat this guy's thinking.
So what do you do with it?
Like, I remember watching him at TI, I was like,
every single game, he does well in the mid lane,
he side lane ganks the hero,
he instantly kills the tower as a result
because he had that blind fast hit.
It's like clockwork, dude,
every single game he has a good game.
Thanking mid, I actually think
QWOP against thanking mid is very good.
You just have to win the Sentry battle as well.
Like, if, if, if, if Sanking has a Sentry
and you don't have a Sentry, he'll beat anything mid.
Okay. So you have to like get vision of him
and keep diagoring him, right?
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Like QWOP, I remember this was the one hero
that would beat the Earthspear, Earthshaker, and the Sand King, but that was the meta,
to just slam like some melee, Frank, like, stack-forming hero.
You would just flop it.
So, guys, there's no Earth Green in here, so are we thinking like, wait, wait, what about,
oh, is there an Earth Green down there?
No, there's looking for like, there's only like, permanent, yeah, yeah, that's the,
that's the punch here, but yeah, there's a little bit.
You can easily mix it in with some dark colors to make it better.
I have like a, are you saying like a, like a black in there too?
No, I think dark blue with this green might actually be enough. I mean you can mix it see what happens. Okay?
That's how we have we're mixing pellets coming by no problem
So what's the final ban here? This is actually felt focus hasn't taken that much time to think about stuff
So they have a lot of time left in their bonus time
It's really gonna be up to well
I would imagine actually maybe malrino which here we doesn't want to face
But it turns out to be an ember. So yeah, one of the spirits gets removed from the pool
I can respect that against SK, but Lesh did really well against Sanking mid too for a
while with the boardwalk.
I have completely devastated my shirt with this black thing here.
Holy crap, let's watch it guys.
So you can easily put it in the laundry.
But it's really too bad because you're going to wear that shirt once a week for the rest
of your life.
I like this shirt.
Oh, Slaughter is a melee owner.
I mean, I think both of these heroes will farm.
Honestly, I'd say it's more favored for Sankings.
It's hard for Slaughter to walk into the river and de-board the sentry, but then on the other
hand you're playing against Sanky who slowly harasses you down and you have the river buff
which gives you regen, so maybe that's the idea.
I like cover.
I like late.
Oh, that's beautiful.
That's genuinely nice though.
And I also feel like later on in the game Slaughter is going to make it much easier to kill Sanky.
Sanky is slightly hard to kill.
It's going to be Child's Play later on.
But that's a troll.
With half-by-damage.
That is a troll.
Ah!
No!
Uh, hard counter.
That's a troll, not a bird. That's a jikiro.
It's a hard counter to Slaughter, is one upside, like you can kind of kill that guy.
It's closer to the bird.
They're looking at me like that.
Usually they think it's a counter to Slaughter in lane, not in game.
But it works in game too, because when Slaughter gets BKB, it's like Troll of the Care.
Yeah, sure.
Like we're through it, plus blind.
It's tough for Slaughter to ever do meaningful damage to Troll,
and you can also tend to buy like Manta Ag, Stidebidems that dispel the corrosive.
Yeah.
Um, I'm just thinking he has a lot of targets that are not too enticing to hit.
And you also have, like, I always think, how can you peel people off of, like, how can you disrupt Troll's ulti?
Like, can you, how can you make him change targets?
And you can have the Shadowed Eman disruption, you can move him with Mars.
Shadowed Eman ulti.
So yeah, I'm not a huge fan of the Troll pick.
Okay.
I don't think it's convincing enough.
100% win rate, Brian.
It is true. 100% win rate, Jack.
Yeah.
I was thinking about how I should draw trees, so I really wish you didn't throw it at me.
I could tell you were very deep in thought.
I'm thinking about drawing trees right there, over here.
Draw trees that are smaller than the tower by the tower,
and closer to us we can draw big trees to show depth.
The biggest depth is over here by Pudge, and then anything this direction gets smaller as we go.
We find if my river starts at the edge of the screen. I heard people saying that they don't really believe in trauma
It's a little bit of an untested an untested
Hero I'd say
But I've also said we said very textbook a textbook draft from bed boo and it's one thing that we keep repeating is that sometimes simple
Dota
Executed well is way better than a convoluted plan to do something magical that is very good
Which some is something that
Falcons can do, but at the moment if you remove the team names you'd go for Betboom
Remove the team names you'd go for Betboom. Oh, yeah, I'd go for Betboom
But I think that's always almost always true for Falcons. Oh because they pick the same shit no matter what patch it is
Like no very few other teams are picking bristleback for example
But because it's Falcons and like I said their
Formation team and bristle so good at playing with formation lineups like that. They're a good team for that Falcons
It took a little while, but Falcons vs. Bed Boop coming your way with Sun's Fun is
in there.
Thank you, Shevar.
Welcome, everybody.
It's game one.
Stop it.
I'm gonna be fun.
Come on.
It didn't work.
Oh, it stopped the button.
Stopped the work.
Thanks, production.
You ruined it.
What?
Stop it.
How did you plan this?
Come on.
It didn't work.
Oh, it stopped the button, stopped the work.
Thanks, production.
You ruined this incredible intro.
This is the arm vault.
Just incredible intro.
Falcons vs. Bed Boom, game one of this best of three.
I thought that music, while watching Gyro fly around,
it's very peaceful.
It's very peaceful, exactly.
Tranquil, some of my guests.
Thank you so much, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us on this podcast, episode 285.
This will be a very interesting game for me to watch because we have Falcons playing,
like the panel said, Falcons stuff. It's tanky, hard to kill cores, but they are playing against
Slardar, who likes putting minus armor and making people weak. And Shadow Demon, who
Arguably in this game, if this goes late, can be the MVP of the whole game with eggs.
Can break Bristol, he can purge Troll and ruin his fight and with the two charges,
if he were to get both of those off, can just set things up for success for Betboom.
So we'll save save enough gold to be able to purchase that is the real question.
Yeah, he hasn't exactly been getting all that rich in the games that we've seen from Betboom.
And my biggest concern here for their side is knowing the quality of Falcons lane play
This is so funny that he knows he's there because of the ore.
This is a very strong lane. Tusk Troll is nasty from our Shadow Demon's deal with.
So that one's gonna be tough.
Mal-Reen mid-tanking against Slaughter. I think this...
I actually don't really have a...
I don't have a framework for how this lane is supposed to go.
Like historically speaking, tanking against Slaughter is pretty even.
But the way Mal-Reen sometimes plays mid lane is very uncharacteristic with like,
with like pulling waves or finding a way of neutralizing the advantage that other
heroes can have by just pulling the wave into a neutral camp and then farming
both at the same time with sandstorm for example so that I'm curious to see how
this one goes. Good start so far. 4GPK and finally bottom J'Kiro, Gyro, hard
press to make a stronger lane and modern go to than this right now so I would say
advantage them, even against the First World Hoodlink.
Yeah, it sounds like the panel was also on board with the idea that if you take away the team names, that Betboom would have their choice.
It would be their choice rather to win this game, but they have looked very, very spotty, so to say.
That's fair.
It's not like the bedroom that we are used to seeing, which when Karatich joined it felt
like they did relatively well, but the ceiling hasn't been nearly as high as when Pyrr was
bummed the team on his 20 different stents throughout the years.
That's a little, the power curve of this team seems kind of random, like they played with
Pyrr for a while, or for a long while, and did very well.
is out for one or two events, Kirit is just playing. They look amazing. Kirit is showing
to the team officially. Things don't look as great anymore. So, I wonder what the secret
sauce is here. Is Dota just best played with a stand-in? Like, that's where I'm getting
to, eventually. Mousesports win with, they win a LAN with Kaori, then Aurora win an online
event with Lauren off, another owning with Lauren off as a stand-in as well. Like, maybe
this is just a four player game and you just get a joker every tournament.
What if you get together all of the stand-ins? Would that just be the best team in the history of Dota?
That's basically what DC was.
That's true.
That is kind of true.
Now this is a super team of rejects.
It's kind of crazy thinking back that those players were left.
In the pool, if you will.
Yep.
That's what happens when EG steals your players.
It's not unsurprising that the team could do well because they had a lot of spoilers.
And Bouldin' up for the back, you know?
Yeah.
It happens.
The classic Bulba.
Little bigger as they call him.
It was interesting though, because when that happened, obviously we were extremely sad
we thought we wouldn't have a team, and so we might have to hold that thought.
Tag team, speaking of that, not gonna do enough to turn this fight in fact, snaking.
Oh, good grenade!
The damage, blood grenade is there, pops the Lotus, Spear is enough!
Miero with the first blood.
Winning that lane would be very good for Pet Boom.
Good start.
Mars, way ahead of Troll now.
Troll does not fare well in lanes when he falls behind early.
This hero's meant to start ahead and stay ahead.
Not the case already.
500 lead from Mars.
There's a couple of creeps coming in though.
Oh, Skinner misses the flybear in the tower.
That is no bueno.
Mid lane pretty even, as you said.
Despite Malarine taking a bit more of a beating, CSY is more denies for GPKI I suppose.
There's going to be some XP discrepancies as a result.
Malarine is ahead by four gold.
No, not anymore.
It was funny for a moment.
Not really.
What were you saying about your story about Bulba?
Yeah, so EG poached our players, Curtis, aka AUI 2000, the great coach of Falcons and
Bulba, who at the time was basically the last time for him being a player, pretty much.
And they lasted on EG for a single tournament and then PPD kicked them both and then we
were at that land and both of them regretted the decision.
And now Curtis obviously three time TI champion in various ways and
Volba coaching VP which has had quite the resurgence as an Orig.
She's great to see, not at this particular tournament though, continues to pick Stormscare.
Yep.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I'm tempted to- oh boy oh boy!
Oh!
Man down to the disastrous!
Alright, what would you do if you cancel that TP?
Do you kill him?
Surely not.
Oh he has burrow strike.
Okay surely you kill him.
If he has mana to get down you kill him.
Otherwise you leave him there.
How much mana did he have at that point?
I think he had enough.
The CUS-100 is pretty cheap.
And he has six stick charges so he would have had those right?
It's a good just good.
I miss, we need more clips of people getting clipped
and then just stuck there for the laning stage
in a pro game.
It's pretty hard to come by because nobody plays Rubik.
There's Magnus.
Yeah, nobody plays Magnus.
There's Tiny in a very specific scenario
where your teammate is stuff.
Yeah, then you need to get up there for Tiny Wyvern lane
and toss them on Wyvern.
Dark's here as well.
Yeah.
There's plenty of bit of the tag team here snaking, poking, but it's only level 1 tag team, so not the most damage.
Skeeter? You think I'm the only Axis? What kind of ability are you expecting from Skeeter this time around?
I'm not sure. This doesn't really strike me as that good of a troll game. I'm a little bit surprised they chose this as their overall last pick.
It seemed like a response to the potential of both the Mars and the Slardar that is like stable, but...
You can waste an entire teamfight troll ulting into a Mars fall work.
You're playing against Shadow Demon, which I think is one of the absolute worst support matchups for the hero.
So how do you solve that with items?
I think you just have to get Omega Fat, which is not exactly like the panel was talking about, or like Nightfall was talking about.
That's not exactly Skitter's style on this team.
Like, most games he's in enable and carry. I don't really think Troll can do that this game.
I'd be surprised to see it like you can't just go in first on troll top-year-old and win the fight right like you have to have really big items
It's a wall across
Making still gonna be pursued under the tier one. I think they get some as the shield run
Is there any consideration because I know this heater will change his build from time to time
Depending on how well the off-lane stealing
Hey consideration for access game you take off
off, corrosive haste, some slows from Chikiro, and I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, you
can dispel flat cannon, right?
You're gonna dispel rocket barrage.
Rocket barrage, yeah.
You can't dispel a flat cannon.
But yeah, aggressive axes from X can stuff rocket barrage, which is really nice when
he has afterburner, but I don't know.
The river GPK, snake's field, take out snaking easily, Malarine, not more than a little empty.
Or maybe he regrets it now because he's just gonna get bashed into oblivion.
Got to only credit for that, then.
It's like that. It's a 4-0 start for Beth Moon.
I really like this hard-arp pick against Malorin's team, King.
This is a team that has done their homework and has an idea planned.
GPK.
I think placed this hero really well.
Ironically, this is not even...
I wouldn't say this is like one of his top five or top ten, maybe, even most known heroes,
But I... This is one of my favorite heroes to see him on. I think he placed this as one of his best.
So when it's good, happen to see Betboom run it for him. So far so good this game.
I gotta go for the dial on Skater. Out of smoke?
I sure are.
He's in trouble. They're gonna need TPs. Or this guy's...
Drop him into Crush. What's the whirling axis to TPs not able to hit for a bit?
He's gonna pop that ult to all of the arrows there with the arena to separate the rest of the team.
Skeeter, oh he's dead. He's very dead. He used a lot. They felt there was gonna be defense coming for Skeeter, but it's Skeeter
So yeah, he's expendable. He's like the third priority third carry
Nobody keeping in and
Good call their actual carry Amar top network
Right behind him is Mallory, but is it a good Bristol game? He's the question. I don't think so
I'm ready to be blown away. I've doubted Falcons enough times in my life and then they just outplay
the difficulty or have a better understanding of what just works about these tanky heroes,
but I do like what Beto Mark proposed in here. This would be a start for them.
Yeah, Mal'Rain, first epi of the game and connection for Crit as well to help secure that.
Now Rangel is going for the quick link daggers that looks to get very active.
When you're playing a Bristol against, obviously the Shadow Demon break, you don't have to
worry about for a long time, but what kind of itemization, like you change the way that
you itemize on the hero because you're playing against him?
Just the simply regular ult is also very annoying.
Yeah, there's only so much you can do. If you can try to get Lincoln, so that's a good game for that.
Sanjan Yasha is an interesting idea for Amar, knowing he loves that item so much, so we're probably going to see that. I would think.
They will turn to this to recognize, alright, I'm going to get perched, I'm just going to make my team boss.
You get like crimson pipe. It just doesn't really feel like Amar's style.
So he's not going to do that, of course. We just mentioned it as a possibility for other players in this position.
Probably has a better chance of going behind it.
Amar is of course buying BKB because it's Amar, so he will buy BKB and load us to work.
Because what makes me the carry is what I am going to do.
His first item, BKB.
Yep.
Let's see about the order. He hasn't committed yet. Didn't buy a component, right?
Oh, he did. He bought the axe. You're right. He has the Ogre axe. I guess he might be.
Is it not a club? Is it an axe?
You've been calling this overclub the entirety of this game, and it was called overclub for many years, but they named it Axe because it acts.
The entirety of this game. That's incredible.
This game's history, Shannon.
The entire copter taken out by a mart with the help of Crit, so...
I'm happy to specify it for you because I think it might be difficult for you to understand what I meant by it.
I meant the game's history.
How long was it overclub?
Five years, maybe.
Four or five years, or five years ago?
Four or five years. I don't know.
The originally I thought it was a joke, like they put it in his ogre club because an ogre would use it in the club by swinging the wrong side of it.
Yeah, but it always looked like an axe.
It's always been an axe. I was thinking, oh, haha, it's an ogre, he doesn't know how to hold it, so he hits with the blunt end as a club.
Why have you never corrected me?
But it's an axe. I definitely have, but you can't remember.
I don't think so.
I don't remember.
You can look up when it was renamed, there's probably a changelog for that.
Well, it's I'm I'm 40 years old. That's it's not gonna change. It's ogre club. I guess it's ogre
How much to do
Falcons there in classic falcons fashion. There's somehow ahead by one K. Yeah, well it helps when caretich dies twice
They said absolutely a ganks on him GP K
He did go for the blink dagger as his first item
but hasn't really, other than that one fight top,
hasn't been much movement from him, it feels like.
As we say that, Beppu now amalgamating.
I'm gonna put this as a 6 UK depth of space.
They're gonna rush into the mackerel pyre.
Mal'Rean, and they're gonna be fine, actually,
because the epicenter into the Sharpshooter, it's enough.
Spear coming in from here with us,
it's a one for one, and now Mal'Rean will get crushed
by the rocket rush, snaking.
I think you will regret this decision, my friend.
So they lose one in the form of GPK, but it costs three members of Falcon.
Who was the set-uper and who was the set-up-e, you might ask.
Nobody is asking.
And so do both teams, and we have the answer.
The set-uper was Betlum.
There goes the tower.
Alright, they strike back immediately. That looked like a nice bait from Falcon.
They clearly wanted them to go on Bristol. They had Malrin set up on the side with Bling.
You can see here, he pops the Arcane rune on Sand King off to the right right now, and I was going to come in
and go for this quick kill on Slaughter, which looks promising, but a nice arena.
And of course, getting all these kills inside of that arena will just heal everybody up nice and safe
against Sandstorm.
So we're here with the tip from Eero.
Almost a shame that, uh, did Jire actually get that kill or was it safe?
No, the same as four skills right now.
That's so both supports taking all the kills there. It's honestly
Shadow Demon 4 and oh a hero 3 and oh, it's good. That's shadow demon has gold though
If he I mean let's see he's going solar and then I think he'll go eggs. Okay, we'll see
Solar is very very good this game. It's amazing to put on slardar even though he's a mid hero
Most mid heroes don't really use the attacks be that well the slaughter does it's great
Put it in Tyro, and it's great to all mine.
Delay all mine.
He didn't even get off his ult, but he did buy battle period before he died.
Rebuke back to the fountain.
Alright.
It's making actually kind of farm.
Oh, I say that, he's blasting net worth.
All of his net worth is going to go into this blink dagger, as that is a very dead gyrocopter again.
GPK jumps in a little bit too late, but the arena from the arrow will set this up as some sort of revenge.
Met Boombl0s3 losing three members. They're going to get two cores, though.
And Mark will drop.
These two teams so far in this game have been really evenly matched.
Some very good rotations, some very good responses.
Excellent skill casting overall. Not many mistakes to find right now. This could be one though.
Cast her curse as usual.
I don't really care.
Just drawing attention to them so I'll force some TPs. I wouldn't really call that a 2TP's mid to kill Tusk.
There's no tower for them to claim. It's not really going to benefit much.
Effectively, snaking is making space for Skidder with that death.
Who is going...
Yasha next. So we'll probably just be the Manteg and Slardar instead of Axe.
I think this is an interesting hero to be gay with the help of this spear malray
teepees in the furrow strike away from the fire clips him and he's not cool oh my
god he's actually alive oh my god that feels super bad for bet that's a rare
scorpion that was very close to being well done it is hard to kill a scorpion
I can say that from experience.
Such a nice self-fight earlier.
Excellent to be cast from Falcons and decently cast from you.
Thank you.
Moderately okay.
Got a good response once again from Beth Moved.
Again, a ton of value out of the Marus facet as well.
Nice fight so far.
You could argue against a hero like Tusk, but there might be value in taking the Blood
Sport, but we just rarely see it chosen anymore.
And good riddance.
Neither of us likes it.
I have to see it go.
I wouldn't say I don't like it.
You don't like it.
Just viewing it, you don't gain any dopamine because you can't tell what it's actually
doing.
and work too much with Jenkins when you use that as an argument.
True, Katalomy, Sharpshooter will hit, but the spear from the arrow is more important.
Now rain down and out. One for one trade in favor of Batboom.
The arrow's on fire this game. Everything he's doing on Mars is just landing.
It's been an 11 out of 13 kills.
What was he playing the other day that we were like, this is not a Miero hero?
Razor, was it?
Yeah.
Maybe.
This is the type of hero we'd like to see.
Actually, it might have been another one. It was definitely something uncharacteristic that didn't like have set up
No, his Mars is incredibly good. He's delivering this game
It's very good for Mars to be level 13 at this point in the game at 18 minutes
Mars sometimes has these games where he falls behind a little bit and they're covering this
Tougher, but he's staying neck and neck with all the other cores. It's actually a rather uncharacteristic to see
Mars do this well
So, a great look for him.
GPK will be the Doctor on Demand.
Yes, he will.
And Kiritich with your favorite gyro build, because it includes axe, and you always question when it doesn't.
No need to question it here.
GPK also going for axe.
Second item axe. Very interesting.
Could argue for a BKB instead, but there's a ton of merit to the armor here and the HP region.
Just having staying power against sandstorm, against bristle.
40% status distance, also great against these five stuns and slows.
No.
Snaking has blink now, so they have a save.
Whoever gets feared into the arena or crushed can be blink snowballed.
It's tough to say with confidence that it's a save in this game,
because what are you snowballing them into?
arena, crush, ice path, and flat cannon and call that.
It's making us a very hard job this game, and so far he's 0, 5 and 0, so...
It's struggling with his hard job, which is understandable.
I don't envy him playing test this game. I think that boom have done what they can to make it.
Sounds like you hate every hero in Falcons.
No. I think...
I don't think he's a good brishka, I don't think he's a good troll, I don't think he's a good test game.
arena
Oh!
After Miero was having such a perfect flawless game.
Don't praise the ballerice punch.
No, on GPK he's still quite healthy and more reinforcements are going to dissuade Thothkins from going any further, but they are smoked now.
More obviously with that croce of haze, it's going to show mid.
at the center being faked out no it's not it's actually gonna be used safe in quite a bit
of peril burning down to that sandstorm get something on a person's forehand but that's
the prize GPK destroyed three dead in favor of falcons as skaters actually getting the
the torment their subcrit gets a boomerang wait is that still yeah still on this one
All right, they just gained 5,000 gold in 30 seconds.
Just like that.
It's, Falcons are a special team to watch.
It's just, there's no way about it.
These guys just play their own stuff.
Stuff is meta, they don't care.
They try it sometimes.
If they don't like it,
they go back to their old ways
and it just works more often than not.
This is a clean initiation from Mal'Rean.
Perfect spell casting once again.
Two-hero Baro Strike with a great epic stand storm.
He effectively kills both enemy supports and forces the destruction out of this warguard.
And now back to Lighting. They just took every objective on the map in 30 seconds.
Mid tower, three kills, Torm and Rosh.
They just blew this hand-wide-out book stuff.
Well, that was nothing textbook about the way they did it though.
I mean, it's a textbook in terms of the dream of what happens at the point in the game. It doesn't get much better than that.
And on top of all of this, I think this to me is one of the coolest things in Pro Dota, is when one player on one team...
Okay, let's wait for it.
I find another kill onto GPK, yes indeed, he has no time to react.
Mal'Reen is seemingly the only player in this tournament that plays Sand King.
And they rate it super high.
Yeah.
That is always cool to see.
It just means you have a hero specialist, you like it in the meta, you like the way it works, and nobody can replicate it.
Falcons have a hero specialist? That's crazy.
I mean, usually when they play their stuff, there's like competition about it, right?
Yeah, within their own team.
Yeah, something like, you know, they play Razor, they play Viper, whatever.
Other teams also run them.
Sand King sometimes here and there.
Has anyone else in the tournament even played the hero?
I mean, I don't know.
You mentioned there was a time when nobody other than Chrysler was picking Razor.
Yeah.
Other than Falcons.
That's also cool.
It is, not.
So I just find it fascinating.
We talk about the benefits of being on falcons and just like picking banning against them
is gotta be more difficult than any team I think.
You could also argue it's as easy as any team because you could ban the same heroes for
five years.
But they just have too many, but at least you can hit some of them.
Then you pick your poison, you know what the poison is.
I don't really think falcons' recipe for drafting has changed that much in the last
three years.
It means very much the same logic.
It's kept working.
know what to do. They've expanded their hero pools here and there, but the core of what
they're trying to do in the games is very similar a lot of the time, which is better
than you. So, you've got to be like, okay, which of their ways of playing, which of their
archetype strategies do we target today with the heroes we play, with the way the game
flows? What's our solution? And so far, for Betgoom, it worked early. It's not working
now they are losing a thousand gold by the minute now rain with a pretty
does he typically go to shard this early quite a bit oh the cancellation of the
TP malarine gets off the epicenter as well the boomerang is gonna amplify the
damage the damage from kerat ish but it's not enough to survive another huge
kill for falcons was still one and a half minutes on the ages they find
Another one that they don't even need to be together when falcons play like this is like
You know this like a golden rule almost in Dota at a mediocre to high level which is you can't play three lanes at once
In the midgame it feels like the five of them
They just do it. They find a way to help lead a hero here and there whatever
Because the efficiency and the moves they make on the map and what to get out of it is just worth it
That looks like Steeter's going S and Y instead of the Mantis.
Just the baddest of this versus demonic courage and the other CC.
Yeah, you were basically choosing between would you rather remove Haze or would you rather be better against the rest?
More. It's kind of a simple equation here.
Okay, that boom. I've had the wind knocked out of them.
You've got to do something soon. Falcons are going to out-farm you.
tail is all this time they will take the iron grip on the map and not let go
so smoke is the way to do it find a backstab find an angle
they're gonna wrap around the tier two is going to be taken out as critt gets initiated on
gets the sharpshooter though he's gonna survive gpk has to exit heritage using the call that's a
little up back and now he's going to take a walrus punch into the ult of speeder and now he's
completely abandoned by his team there is a disruption to bind a little bit of time for what
But it matters not. Two dead for Benbou.
Amar will chunk down the Jikiro in three hits.
Man, alive.
This is looking really rough for Benbou.
Such a promising start, too.
Yeah, the thing that was surprising me the most was that I thought they were outplaying Falcons in the early game,
but they never really got a lead.
TPK is running away this whole time.
Hope you found eventually.
Yes, indeed.
Falcons just at a certain point, it's like they flipped the switch, it's like alright, we're just not going to die anymore.
That has resulted in a 15k net worth lead at 25 minutes. Hey, it's turning into a shellacking.
We were talking about GPG, his early blink dagger, they found one move with that.
And he was stuck on like half of an agonim scepter for seemingly like 8, and here is brutal.
It's... oh, that's his spear.
Yes, he just though.
For one second though.
Across the BKB, and knife fall away.
The knife.
Oh, it reflects the little homing missile.
Yep, that's more farm for Kiritich. He needs it.
Um...
Yeah, this is quite the graph.
Really?
Two teams that are just evenly matched, and then...
You get to the 15-20 minute mark, and there was one team in the game.
But we'll keep out my secret from you guys, you know what I'm saying?
Once the last time, Bethlehem, you got a kill?
Oh, hello.
Oh, it's not happening now.
Yet.
Unless there's a miracle from save.
Oh, Charv's sugar's coming for you.
Boom!
Chaka-laka!
Bethlehem, they still want to fight apparently.
The bash into, yep, just letting you know I have that.
Not really interested in fighting though.
It's like a fight in the NBA or a scuffle. They push each other, nobody really throws
punches unless they're deranged, which actually did happen recently. I shot that
to you on the podcast one time, but usually it's these fake tough guys, you know?
Like Jenkins.
Really? You think he's... I think he knows he's not a tough guy. There's nothing intimidating.
Yeah, I don't know.
Love Jenkins. I was good. I said like and then I was like who am I gonna use as an example?
And I didn't really have anyone good, so he was my fake tough guy. Who's a fake tough guy?
In the town
Are we're all just
Reflected the missile at the center all the double burrows right to look at the
Oh my god the travel time on that homing missile it had to do work
But it was hilarious to see the end result for kill this game just over it. It's just really is just over. I
That boom have you done anything good for ten minutes? This
It's just fascinating to see Malrin is smashing every fight
Jumps and gets a two or three Europe or a strike at me the moment those two spells are cast as lost like you can see
This fight's over now.
Perfect. Look at the layering with that homing missile.
That came from the river.
That Lotus has been pretty damn good for a while.
This is just one team that is just better than the other right now.
And that boom had me inspired and looked very hopeful in the early portion.
Since then there's been one team in this.
And I...
You had a chance after you lost that mid-fight, and the Falcons got the Torm and the Roche. It was always going to be hard.
That hope now is a sling, as we can imagine. You need like a dream fight.
I don't even know who you initiate on it. Do you know someone who will stay in here early or not? At least prevent him from using that.
Another homing missile reflected. It's actually going to hit again!
Heritage could not kill it in time, but the double crush comes out from GPT.
They're in the outskirts, wants to get a sharp shooter.
It's a good one on the Mars, but they have lost the support in the form of snaking.
Reflective home missile?
Yep, it's coming for you.
Faratich gets to the other side of the wall, though.
Oh, Malrin. Oh, he's a doctor right now.
Gonna show off his doctor, he gets a double burrow strike epicenter combo.
Just call it. This is so over.
Goodness. Full team wipe.
I think out of every game we've cast in this tournament, this has been like the most dominant
game.
There it is, any team.
Like, actually, that was obliterated.
A sick display from Falcon.
This game was okay.
To give some context, the goal at 15 minutes was even.
They gained 27,000 advantage in 14 minutes.
That's 2K GPM over the enemy team.
I don't know the last time I've seen anything like this.
Unreal.
Absolutely.
I mean, it felt like Bethelmore, they got up to a good start, Miero was owning, GPK was getting good form,
Space was being traded for Gyretich, Talc had just flipped the switch.
It's not because the conditions aren't met, and I think that's what makes this a difficult game to enter game 2 of for them,
because the coach and you as a team, you look over this game, what went wrong, what are we going to change?
Well, we kind of played well early, we kind of like our heroes, draft players were probably happy,
And then we just hit a brick wall, like, I don't know, this is a tough one to recover, because I don't know what, like, I don't really have good feedback except played better, but like,
Wow.
Because your early game, like your early game was good, your picks, we liked them, the panel liked them, and you just got absolutely smashed in 10 minutes.
So, like, you can't just, you can't make big adjustments from game 1 to 2 that are going to solve that.
It has to come from more outplays.
How can they play better, Sheaver?
Just get more gold out of the map. I think that's a solid solution right there.
This game was even for a long time, and even when Beto was, like, I don't know, they were 5-0 up at the start, the gold was still even.
So that means that Falcons were still just getting so much out of the map while they were dropping kills here and there.
And so if you can do that then why even get the kills if you're not getting an advantage with it
And this was typical falcon's fashion where they're just chilling. They're just doing their thing
They're okay bleeding here and there as long as it's you know, not too disruptive and then the hitter time is a bang
I was gonna say that was a crazy jump by Malorin basically
He like stuns through the front liner happens to catch one of the supports in the back line
Just blows the whole fight open to the fifth instead like starter in the front and he gets to play behind it
in front of a shadow demon like the game changes, but they were even all of a sudden boom huge 13k now worth that 25 minutes in the game
Yeah falcons is just so damn good at
Having three cores like all of which can be played through if their game is good in the early game
And they know that like one lane will probably suffer
But the other two lanes they're so confident that they can just move their heroes to then play around
around like one of those two cores as a ball
and then blow the game wide open.
And that was Amar and Mal'Reen while Skeeter was suffering.
And then Skeeter eventually,
like when he realizes that's happening,
he is then on the other side of the map,
like taking objectives and doing stuff.
It's like, it's such a odd play style
to just have heroes die, like cores die,
like off way over there,
but then somewhere else,
you're always getting something else.
It's gotta be so frustrating to play against.
I was like, you need to swallow something there.
Oh, okay, I'm good now.
But now I feel like the archetype of heroes that they play, especially on Amar, like if
you think of like Bristle, Timbersaw, Razor, their heroes are like runnig to nonstop.
And if they're in a one-on-one, they pretty much win like all of those.
Like these heroes just trade really well.
They have like really efficient wave clearing spells, whether it's like Quill Spam or Razor
Passive or Timbersaw's Nukes.
So what happens is you're you're creating this like impending doom feeling where the lane slowly getting pressured into yeah
Yeah, and then once you kill them all you did was put the lane back to even
Mm-hmm
And then he's gonna come back and do it again
And you have to bring like three heroes to do it and I feel like all of Falcon's kind of plays off of that
And they know that because the pressure in that one lane any pressure
They create anywhere else is much harder to deal with and that's kind of the nature of Dota and I think Falcon strategy as a whole for sure
I can give like a concrete example of something that they do because I know that it sounds very like ephemeral this idea of
Like oh, they just have people doing stuff elsewhere when somebody's dying here
like one thing that they do is they will pull the
Hard camp on the off lane at 52 seconds which stacks it and pulls it and then that pulls the wave back
So that the enemy carry is not farming and then if the carry comes up a mar runs in and does the thing that you're talking about
about, which is he pressures in a 1v1, like they're very good at after the laning stage,
keeping the map in a situation where it feels like shit to just try to farm against them.
Because they're pulling the map back and then they're pressuring you with these sorts of
heroes.
And that might be part of the reason why it feels like Bedboom has to go for these kills
that don't actually get them that much net worth.
The crucial part of the game was certainly around the Roche pit into the fights afterwards.
That was when the net worth really blew up in a big way.
I'd love to take a look at some of those clips.
Jeever, thank you for adding that option to the segment.
That's great stuff.
Let's hop into the clips.
Very pivotal moments here.
Taking the Roshan pit, only 6k advantages point,
which was significant because before this,
it wasn't that extreme.
And then Amir, two minutes later,
they get a couple big kills,
and they're fighting in the Roche pit,
and Skeeter just gets to run with DKB and Ulti,
and gets a huge amount of damage from Gyrocopter
before the Shadow Demon has managed to get there in time.
And then the disruption doesn't even produce anything good, that was because they blew up the front line and went for the back line.
They killed the jikiro as well, then later on they find the slaughter to the east, I think, near the secret shop.
This is not much later, it's the same teamfight basically, and there's the troll versus slaughter matchup.
Like, what do you do against this?
You're getting chain rooted, you get blinded so you can't get bashes to defend yourself.
They can just do whatever they want. The game's completely open at that point.
It went from a Roche with a 6k advantage to 14k, like less than 3 minutes later.
Just a crazy moment of that.
Perch, I just feel that you're the only one with a theme song.
I'm the only one with a theme song.
Yeah, that's how it only plays when you're talking.
Thick.
I'm very jealous. I'll just put this out there.
It's a cool tune.
Can we play it for Sheeva right now?
No, it's yours, Perch. That's not how it works.
Like, he can...
I'll share it.
He can share it with you. He's got copyright.
Sounds like I'm playing Pokemon and I'm like adventuring in the world for the first time.
Like that like happy like
Today's so going so great
To my dreams, oh I fall asleep this song every night
No, it's happy times we are
We
We do
No, not boo sinrin actually you're on our team sin you're supposed to cheer for this we're getting our ease
We want me grab the easel no, yes, yes, please if you could help it
Yeah, I can grab it
What's the easy for how do you spell easel is anybody know a isle e
It's like I think it's no no, it's e asle. I think so. I only know the Dutch way, which is e z e L
That confused me more
Wonderful all right our masterpiece is done. Do we think this is gonna leak down though right now?
Are we ready?
Make sure you guys tweet at ESL Dota how much you would pay for this if we sold it on the website
And of course all the proceeds would go to charity and Jenkins which charity 5050 what charity would we?
Would we support I don't know probably something for like depressed people that stay inside all day and play video games
The lighting is kind of messing us up a little bit.
It is. Change the angle.
We have the control.
Oh, oh, Jankos help me out.
What? I think, oh yeah, much better.
A little bit, just a little bit more.
A little bit more.
There you go, it's beautiful.
Perfect.
This is our artwork.
We're done.
There's, um...
Do we even need to say to heroes? They're so obvious.
Pudge, Sniper, Shadow Shaman.
So this is what's happening in your pubs, isn't it?
Yeah.
This is, represents you, Twitch Chat, you're playing support, this guy obviously has to carry Pudge.
You've been dying to Sniper all game.
He's a dumbass.
You finally get your blink there, you blink on top of him, you shackle him, and this guy whiffs the hook.
Yeah.
How is it possible?
He was looking at your goddamn items, he didn't see you had a blink, so he tried to hit,
raw dog him and hit him, didn't hit him.
Pudge has no items by the way.
Yeah.
He's not farmed, even though you spent the whole lane pulling, and it was stacked pulls as well.
He just misses the hooks all the time.
That's what happens when you have a pudge on your team.
Obviously, if you had to pudge on the enemy team, it would have been a different story, but yeah, that's not the case right now.
Now, the background, the base layer and the background is meant to give melancholy to the viewer, to really show what you're experiencing.
The lighting is not helping there.
There you go.
okay guys while you're admiring this you can see maybe you can see it continue
admiring it while we go to break because we'll be right back with game 2
Falcons of Deathly
The bad planetar!
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that dance again, give me some of that highlight, I want some of that to make me dance
Give me some of that music, give me some of that classic music, give me some of that
Give me some of that good stuff, give me some of that crazy stuff, give me some of that high love, I want some of that mad love then,
I'm tired
We're getting to the end of the sun
I'm gonna make the skits of tonight
I'm gonna get more out of my good time
In that enormous, amazing night
Go through my closure, tell my friends what's up
Just want a party, ain't no problem, look at the left
The music's popping, the speed is stopping, feeling alive
Head to the strip, these wheels go louder than I do
Come on, another little fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, let me know what you feel with me
Come down in a fantasy, come on to the world with me
I'm tryna put your mind at ease, come on again now and then
Rollin' down, yeah, movin' to the sky, rollin' down, down
We get it, it feels so right
I think I'll take the skits out tonight
I'm gonna go out for a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
We're cruising on the same ride
Skipping with the skits out tonight
I'm gonna go out for a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, just turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back-down sequel?
When the beat says tough, I'll turn a little rough
This is not a test, it's a real thing, so
Turn it up, sis
Guys, we are watching Greenlee season 28, then we are...
...testing, looking, and our final game of the day is this.
I've supposed to be sitting there for a long time.
It's supposed to be a long day, no, two, four, best of threes.
Guess what?
After that game.
We had Aurora 2.0.
That was a surprise in my book for sure.
Mm-hmm.
Uh, and we had Falcoz just decide, you know what?
Let's just win...
...at our exact timing.
And they did.
They won game one, and I will say it looked pretty spooky for Beth Boon,
because it wasn't like they didn't doing, like...
things wrong that you could easily pinpoint out.
And that's where, how are you gonna improve for them too?
I would say this is less of a surprise
that Falcons eat Bat Boom or short.
But to beat them in that fashion is a surprise to me.
It's like you said, Falcons just hit their timing flawlessly.
And you could tell that they were playing
with the confidence early game.
I love these games where it's five and 0 for one team,
then the other team has a gold lead.
There's something that's so beautifully, or equal in that worth about it.
Yeah, there's something that's so beautiful Dota about that.
I mean, obviously, I don't want this to draw out for the entire game, but to hit the powersplike
and then go ham, Falcons did that, and they did that with the Sand King.
The big, burrow epicenters that he hit, starting from the kill on Kiritich, and then pretty
much everyone after it, he killed two or three heroes with the Epi.
And having Troll against Slaughter as well, so it's like they had everything countered
And so basically and they go for it again. They really lingered a long time on their last ban there
They lost a little bit of their bonus time
Like it talks about in the free show shadow fiend was a hero
They were kind of playing with letting through but they didn't go for it. They said, you know, our sankings working. Let's stick with it
Yeah, I mean Falcons is just the ultimate team of just all the cards on the table is exactly what we're gonna do
You know what's coming and we're gonna beat you with it anyway. I just I think they they've really revolutionized
Dota I know that may sound like a strong word, but I just think ever since this team came out
They've just been saying it doesn't matter like I know they've expanded since then but it doesn't matter if I have a
Hero pool of three or four if I play these heroes
To a degree that's so hard to deal with that you have to understand my hero as well as I do to beat me like not only
Do you have to pick a counter? You can't just look at Dota buff and be like, oh, that's a good counter
You have to also understand why it's counter what what the exact way to punish it is and I yeah
I just think that at least they've changed my way of viewing. I feel like versatility used to be more highly valued
Yeah, I agree in Dota. I really like that they also do their own thing. It's like it's like we see it consistently at TI
There's some team who's like we're confident what we do
We're gonna keep picking this damn thing cuz we know it works and that's what they're doing this game
They're opening and sanking like nobody else is playing this hero
It's grading at the shadow demon who is a good very common response because it's an a we damage healer
Yes, Shatterdin can save the one guy dying, but in the meantime, he's gonna take
600, maybe a thousand magic damage. And then you're still anchoring the fight somewhere by disrupting somebody, and Sanking will continue to do damage after the disruption as well.
Like, I'm actually kind of shocked that that boom let Sanking through because I feel like I would personally rather play against like any of the meta heroes,
maybe the Minus Tram Protector, bordering on Batrider, but like the other meta heroes,
because this is such a weird thing to be picked in the meta right now and it's
the only thing that's weird that Falcons is picking so why not take it out
and see if you can play some more resembling normal Dota against them.
It was probably TPK's call I can only imagine and maybe they feel stronger
about the Husker Razor Chen which is the same bands that it previously did not
let them through and what they did address was they just removed the
entire support duo that Falcons had in the previous game with the Tusk and the
So they they addressed that part of the game. I don't know if it's good enough
But that's what they did. What spirit?
Coming up Phoenix kind of another a we hero that shatter name is not really me happy to play against
SD's ulti against Phoenix is not good. His shard later on is not really that good either
So if they can anchor a fight around stanking in Phoenix, this best he's not gonna feel very strong
So, I wish we had a mid laner on the panel right now just to ask about Sand King Void
Spirit.
I'm very curious how this one is supposed to go.
I mean, I would personally think-
I would assume it's Sand King.
I would assume Sand King does like fairly okay in this matchup.
I'd say it's similar.
I would guess based on what I've learned from Quinn, you know, by proxy that this is a matchup
that they both farm and I think Sand King's more like happier with that trade of farm
because if you're allowed to just get out of the lane with like level 3 or 4 sandstorm pretty early
and then go clear an ancient stack, then you just accelerate way faster than a Void Spirit, I feel like.
Maybe the idea is that Sand King is probably going to be like farming to get his blink dagger
and in that timing, you can run around with the trio of like the two supports and Void Spirit and get a lot of kills.
I will say though, Falcons in the past has ran a more mid and Malarine on off lane.
And I think it was Primal Beast that he played on Offlane, so there's like a non-zero chance
that they put Viper mid to dump on the Void Spirit, and Malarine plays in the Offlane
unsancting.
That always scares me a lot when teams do that, but in that game when they did it, Malarine
Offlane Primal Beast had less experience than normal, the guys still ended up going like
16-5 and something, like he still had a crazy good Primal game.
So if anybody lane swaps these days, it's like one of the few teams that I trust to
do well.
And those two players as well.
I don't know how much you would want to run Skeeter going mid, you know.
Yeah, that's true.
Does Falcons play Muartown Skeeter, or is it open?
And they have Crit still too.
I don't know, because I haven't seen Muartowns in 4.4.1.
Yeah, it does play into what Kevin was saying, or who actually originated the idea of Viper going mid.
Was that you, Kevin?
I don't think it was in the screen.
Okay.
Either way, it was probably Kevin's idea because it was good.
He told me off-camera.
If Muerta, like, if they run Sanking Off, like Muerta as a support would make a lot of sense.
So I feel like this now furthers the Flex.
Like, you could theoretically have a Last Pick 4 coming out for Falcons.
You could have a Last Pick Carry coming out for Falcons.
I think that's about it, but then that does change three heroes in terms of the positions.
Like, you could have Muerta flexing, you have Sanking and Viper flexing, and so effectively
The only hero we probably know is a five, Phoenix.
I guess that technically could be a four or two, but I do think it's better as a five.
What's the ultimate counter here to Moira to morphling is the one that I could think of, like Kiritich Morphling.
You turn into Moira to, you get the innate where you can hit through her old morph.
I think also does fairly well in lane against like either a Sand King or a Viper.
If it's a, I mean, one of those heroes has to go offline, right?
I do think a bad is nice against Marta because you survive through her ultimate
If it is a carry Marta
I would actually say this means it's more likely to be like if I'm falcons and I truly had a flex pick here
You know like for what for what that? I'd say it's for it though. It's an off-lane sanking and then it's a miper
They think we're gonna see the flex because of course
You don't want Viper against Abon, you just want him.
Yeah, I'm saying like now that they've kind of countered you in two different lanes like it just makes like in two different ways
Like I think where to carry also isn't the greatest against Abon because you want that I think her ulti is nine seconds
I think you want like you do want that nine seconds to
Kill as many people as possible. So his ulti is very good against that. Yeah
Well, that's why you go for flex.
So you have that open.
We got the earth step band out, so that also kind of implies that Bedboom is having the
same type of read that we are still looking for a hero for speed turn on the side of Falcons
on the side of Bedboom.
We are thinking, well, they also is flexed.
Miro Miro and here kids can both play a button in this in this game
So so to a degree there's flex, but I think we'll would rather see the about it as a carry
Yeah, I agree with that the troll bands a bit interesting. I'm gonna say thinking of if you can slow our dark
100% win rate after last game camp. It's not really the most traditional off-limit
I guess probably finding it smart to pre-six. I guess your mobile you can shape you can run her down
She's not very mobile guests units more to carry, but if it's not I feel like it's not very safe to
Why would you ban Troll?
It's a good laner. What if they're going to pick a weak off laner that is expecting you to be bullied? That's a possibility too.
I would just pick something like Darkseer if I'm them, to be honest. Like a pipe builder that doesn't mind all these slows and crap.
Well, pipe would be pick nasty in this game.
Yeah, I was thinking Underlord, but then you get broken by Viper.
And then you get broken by Viper.
And I know Troll and Ursa are both very good against Darks here.
It doesn't have like the most amazing lane synergy with the Shattered even, but it kind
of enables the Void Spirit to rotate and you have the follow up like Vacuum Ice Path.
That's like, I know it's a hero I don't see very often, so that's like my-
Hey bro, where's Largo at?
Ignored.
Excuse me?
Ignored.
And we are still looking for an Offlaner on the side of Vepham, just saying.
Yeah, maybe they pick it.
I think it's a little exploitable sometimes.
Why did you not say it?
The first time you're offline.
In the previous drafts.
Previous drafts also at Largo Ignored.
I just expected it to be banned.
Okay, well, there it is.
Okay.
It would have been good here.
It would have increased the damage output from Bet Boom Team by a lot.
Even like Makropires or Void Spirit jumps.
It's really good with Void Spirit, actually.
You get like double damage effectively from the Q spell.
I know where they keep their cameras like this, and so we can't read the board behind them.
That's smart.
Very smart.
Intentionally by $50 worth.
Invoker!
Offlane a bad and carry Void Spirit?
Could also be offlane Void Spirit if they really want to.
I mean we saw Pure do carry Void Spirit, didn't we?
It's been a couple teams I feel like that have been playing mid heroes in the carry position.
Yeah, but normally they make up for that by having a mid or a off-laner that is
also transitioning easier into carry, no? Well, I mean a badden can. Yeah. You could
go off-lane and build carry. I feel like they needed a pipe guy, so I feel like a
badden's officially been demoted to pipe guy. Yeah, I think so. I wouldn't be
even surprised if he goes like grease pipe or something, you know, like some
crazy or build. Wow. I'm surprised he's been picked three times. I haven't seen
any of those games. I mean, I guess you pick all the magic damage guys.
Life stealer becomes very valuable. But they got they got STLT. It makes
STLT good. It's an offline voice here. The other the other disables are not that good
against them, but STLT is. I guess disruption is kind of garbage against
them. I mean, you can infest. I was going to say what makes this life stealer pick
I think really hard for Bedboom is that Lifestealer generally creates huge damage issues because
you have a hard time focusing him and then he gives a huge amount of burst HP to one
of his teammates that you're also focusing.
And you have the Phoenix heal on top of that.
They have a lot of crap they throw on the ground that's very dissuading for you to commit.
I liked what Bedboom did in the draft game 1 and then they kind of got slapped.
So I'm going to go with Falcons for this one.
I think that they've just got their bread and butter, and Babu might be cooking a little
of...
I'm curious where ATF and Malrin are going to play now that Invoker is picked.
I feel like he does like San King Viper both too fine against Invoker, and Offlane Viper
kind of farms a lot now, so I don't know if the counter of Abaddon matters too much,
but I know Amar likes to play with the Q build.
Yeah, I'm wondering if you just take like one or two points W early as a response and go back for Q later
I'm not sure. I'm sure you can adjust to that though
Because I don't if you want to run a sanking off lane actually into
Chikiro like I think Chikiro would make you suffer a little yeah
You'd rather the Viper suffers and just get sanking the the good game mid which levels
I don't even think he suffers like I think you'll I think it'd be fine with the W build Viper on Viper
Oh, yeah, I guess you push the line out without playing yourself. Yeah more to get that too more to the wrong laner
Yeah, I mean, I like I like Falcons draft. I think we're all on board with Falcon's draft
But I think the majority of the reason is the biggest reason is to because we know we've seen it work
We know it works and for bed when they haven't proven yet, but they can go out of the box like this and come out on top
So what they got lots of proof? They do got a lot of proof
But what should we look out for for them? Like what what's gonna be the deal breaker?
Are they gonna have be kill heavy like they were previous game in the start of the game?
And obviously if we see then that the gold difference is not changing
But I'm worried they're gonna get behind a net worth and they're not gonna have damage anymore. No game. It's gonna be over
That's what I'm worried about. Okay. I'm just curious what Mira builds. Me too. Yeah
Well, we're gonna find out how things will turn out will bet boom have they overcooked will they prove is all wrong?
They might just do that. Let's find out together with sinrin and sub spaz
Hello! Let's get this game going!
Look at this party started, people!
This is some hype here. This is such a weird trap.
Overall, it's a fucking banger, though.
Yeah.
Boom!
Miero!
What the fuck is that, baby?
Off-lane voice spirit.
Well, maybe we should have ended with that, because that one's weird.
Make it a double.
super weird pics and for the falcon side I mean if you were looking at this
again this is a falcon's draft most likely and I have to say I like falcon
like regardless of the team names I like their draft a lot more personally mm-hmm
I I mean the void spirit has looked meh in the mid lane to see it off lane I
don't know I think it's tough for voice for it off lane to do anything in the
lane to stop lifestealer and phoenix from just free farming right like I don't
I don't think the hero offers much offensively if you're putting shadow
demon up there with them I think this is a lane that you enter expecting to lose
and you're just getting as much out of it as you can it's not a high damage lane
it's not good against rage they don't have that good stats to put to deal with
being phoenix harassed and playing against lifestealer so I think Falcons
will be happy if they're the mid lane San King instant Voker I'm assuming this is a
wash I think Mal'Reen just draws with this hero against absolutely everything
that isn't hostile or something really stupid and then the bot lane you've got
Viper more it's a double range into the Jack hero of that and I think this is a
lane Viper can win even though they have a product shield the panel talked about
it against poison attack I still think you're gonna win this lane
Stoplan, taking looks to be... of course, cast of course.
Miora with the first blood as we all expected, the off-lane voice spirit's super strong, with that Aether remnant.
Yeah, I'll say on a theoretical level, I think this should not happen.
I didn't see the play in question as it happened, but I genuinely don't understand how Phoenix died there at level 1.
He must have overplayed.
Like, it's a disruption into Aether remnant, and after he comes out from disruption, he can just fire spirit the illusions and the enemy heroes, so it must have been caught off guard.
Good start for Bat Boom, like in Game 1, so that's the good news.
Yeah, I will say this, uh...
Oh.
Just by saying that, it sounds like I'm gonna compliment, or give Bat Boom a leg up here on something, it's actually the opposite.
But, Viper, later in the game, versus Abaddon, you add a silence to the break from Viper Strike.
And Karatich suddenly becomes potentially very squishy if it's timed well.
You already have it. You have the calling.
Yep, that's true.
So these two heroes together in the bot lane can kill a badon on level six
With the right execution. Do you think someone's still even though they have that gonna itemize for an orchid just to have
Extra insurance. Um, I mean the the calling is not reliable to always hit when you want to so I could see it
I guess the only hero that's likely to buy would be a mar himself, but I knowing a mar he wants to buy stats
I want to buy Pyke's Goddy Butterfly and pretend he's playing Position 1.
Which one is?
In the offer.
Very true.
That's fair to actually damage.
Baping, A-Beating.
Phaotic Shield activated.
And this is the thing about this lane.
You can talk as much as you want about Poison Attack being countered by Phaotic Shield,
but you can only target one guy.
So, you poison attack the batted until he's pressured to use Shield on himself,
and if Jaquiro doesn't immediately back, you know who's next in line.
The Mars is going to keep spit.
Spit.
Yeah, we've been talking about Abedon though, as one of the best carries in this patch.
It feels like it rarely falls flat.
In this game, he has his work cut up, cut out against him, whatever the hell the saying is, Jesus.
Cut out?
What did I say, cut up?
I mean, he might be cut up here.
He might be cut up by the poison from the Mars.
Crit is there as well.
Sun strike on top of, well, it was Crit actually taking the brunt of it.
of it, Katow only pops the fairfire. He is certainly dead. Carrot-tich, dead shot, the
heart shield was in time though. Still, this is heavy, heavy harassing. You can see, yes,
his suffering has a result. This is supposed to be the safe lane for Carrot-tich, nothing
safe about it.
No. It's been fun to see the development in this tournament, between this like, you enter
Here at the beginning of the tournament, Razor and Viper are just top of the priority list.
They were mega-favored at Blast.
They fall off because their win-loss is bad, and then Falcons just as usual just don't
care.
You know, they're just going to play them anyway.
What is this cosmetic?
It's like he has Batrider on him, or Burning Spears or something.
Top lane, Sunstrike's going to hit Snake, King will survive.
Wait, who has the cosmetic?
Uh, Kiritich.
Oh yeah, I think this is that the bug form?
I think Red, he is dead, cannot deny himself.
Finally, something bottom, striking back.
Here's for them, and yeah, I think this is a really good time to look at Malrin on the Sand King.
Uh, I don't think a lot of players do this, but he has pulled the enemy mid-wave to the enemy
Ancients at minute four, huh, and he's farming all of it over here. So he just got a
Nice bonus and the problem is pretty unique laner you can go well you could argue. He's not a laner
True you can go and try to contest this but invoker can't be the guy doing it because he's losing a wave in the mid tower
So he can never do it if you pull over the shattered even to do it
Is he gonna be able to stop him not at all?
So what options do you even have? It's like he does it in full vision. It's their creeps, right?
He's literally showing them the intent and they just can't deal with it.
Nice okay.
Sunstrike on the crit. Amar lefts his own devices. He's trying to take care of this down before it's inevitable death.
He gets the killing blow, which means Katya Omi is the one with the XP boost.
Falcon's lose two there, but I mean, it's just like this Abonon does not have a game right now.
He is in the gutter.
Yeah, this is not a recovery hero. This hero's actually, man, I've really trained you well. It's exactly as I asked.
Open wounds on this save. Talk about this lifestealer in just a bit.
Thumbstrike is gonna hit Snakey again doing a huge amount of damage. Tries to dive away.
He lives. We'll successfully do so. Save though. Is there any poison on him? No, he's good. He'll be fine.
Rain drop, in effect.
Talk to me about lifestealer.
It's just a chill dude
Hitting some creeps not really seeing him very much. No, it's a weird hero. It's like a lot of lanes
You just float and you can farm you don't really pressure that hard in general
So the enemy off-lane it doesn't feel that oppressed a lot of the time and then you
Generally go either armlet or radiance and you just
Step-by-step reach it's a weird hero with a power curve. It's like super warped. Oh hang on
Not fair, it's gonna take a full epicenter, Amar catches up as well.
This... oof. That's such a rough start.
I mean, they have their man.
Heritage has 14 CS Minutes, 7 as Kerry.
This is a Kerry-favorite patch.
I have not seen a safe lane in this tournament get dumpstered this far in lane.
And in the meantime, with Malry making that rotation, he's also out farming GPK in total.
total. He got more out of the lane. He pulled, like I mentioned, he pulled the wave in front
ancients. I'm finding the pick off. Everything is coming up.
Back to discussion about one of my favorite heroes, Life Stealers.
Yeah. What do you want to know?
Why is he... I felt like... I'm trying to remember the changes. I don't remember there being anything
major nerfed about him.
Yeah. To be honest, he might be slightly underrated. I just think part of the reason he's not as
favored is that you're I think in this patch you're oftentimes focused on winning your lane hard
right because you have the strong lane so why not use it yeah and lice stealer just doesn't offer
very much you're effectively saying hey position five win the lane for me except if you're pining
it's the lane this week has off lane voids for push out of here did you come in they want to run
Sunstrike misses, and now a Viper strike applied to the Abbey.
No ulti, and Amar will fall to cat the Omi for the save, rather.
It matters not, though.
I can't end up being a 2 for 2, but still.
Abaddon dying first, gets no XP, continues to get no gold.
Oof.
I mean, back to Leicester, of course,
because that's the interesting thing going on here,
sitting there now farming.
Very interesting.
I mean, the biggest nerf I can think of to him in general
was the axe not disarming anymore.
Our Sun Strike will hit, Critt gets off the dead shot.
Nice press of light to kill the illusion there.
One more right click will do it, and he'll find the kill,
sacrifices himself to the tower.
Oh, it was really well played from both of them.
If he doesn't kill the illusion,
save doesn't have to chase him,
and then he doesn't die to the tower.
Have you noticed every time we talk about Life's Dealer,
somebody else gets killed?
Yeah, funnily enough, it's never Life's Dealer.
I wonder why.
Is it because he's just sitting there?
That's big.
All right.
Speak of the devil, he has entered a creep.
Oh, and Malrin's gonna find Kiritich again.
No way.
Kiritich is level 9.
No way.
And does he...
Oh, he does have at the center.
Yeah, he's dead.
And here comes the creep.
Oh my god.
Dies to the desecrate of all things.
Zero, four, start for Kiritich.
I don't know what to say anymore.
I mean, he has the same net worth as the supports of the game.
so yes he does mission failed i guess
and i would say i don't know what is the upside of having voidsphere
off lane like what do you think this hero can do
for you that i mean there was like a i know
mars wasn't kicked it was untouched and i know that looking at falcons land it's
not particularly bad against mars at all like they can deal with arena
but a hero like that yeah they're just nothing else
I don't get it either, why they did this.
I just don't really understand, is this matchup extremely bad against Sand King to put Void
Spirit mid?
Why did you pick Void Spirit to begin with?
What does it counter here?
What's the purpose of the hero?
In my eyes, Void Spirit is not really good against anyone.
So I don't know why this was made a priority for Bethune.
If they were just a little bit obsessing about the whole flex thing, that they're like,
all right we need to be focused in the drafts we need to be clever
and they're gonna think we put voids for admit and then we're gonna flex it to
offline and
not
do anything with that because it doesn't win
i don't
i'm confused to alert ten minutes and phase boots has been purchased by
kira titch first item
can't allow rena five minutes
he's getting there two k in the bank for speeder going towards the safer
Reveal like an eventual radiance and this is going to be a clean radiance to the duck
This is a part of why this hero pick is really good this game
Betboom can't really kill him. You can always just rage TP out. They have no PQP piercing stuns
He can stand and fights against a bad and for extended periods of time when he gets items
His heart tough hero for invokers to just overall deal with consistently
I will say Miro is going for orchid though. So that might have forced the hand of skater to go for
Well, we've seen Manta in the past, maybe.
It tells the story, right?
That he's going orchid.
But him effectively saying, we understand skitter is a problem or we're going to do
what we can.
The problem is that, as we've talked about, it's not really the carry cinderant.
No, they have three of those in this game, again.
Pick and choose.
It's just so weird looking at this net worth breakdown.
It's like five cores and then Keratich fell asleep five minutes in his back.
He came back from AFK.
F for center, this time reserve for support, so somewhere out there Karatich is like, thank god, finally got me.
Thank god now I can jungle. Never mind, I'm gonna run into more, so they wanna fight.
They do. Disruption, from save. Into what? Defining blast nothing. There was a one astral step from Miero, but...
You know, was he not in time to put the... Oh, I...
I'm actually not sure if you come out of Disruption and you mash Barrow Strike if you can Barrow away from...
If you still get hit by the Remnant but you can Barrow.
I think maybe you still travel and then you get taunted. It's a pretty rare interaction, but it might happen.
Either way, I don't think the Remnant was placed in time there, so we didn't really learn anything, but...
Yeah, thanks for the brain rot.
Well, the reason it matters is that Pet Boom's combos are disruption into ice path and disruption into remnant.
Katyaomi is going to surprise them with a level 6 at 12 and a half minutes crit.
Sunstrike hits, going most of the damage needed.
Pups pierce the veil and there is the Makrafire to burn him up.
That's a lot extended for him, but they've got to find something here to...
I'm always going to force him to hold here.
Yes, indeed.
Uh, uh, okay. He does. I don't, I think that just activated on its own at the end there.
Might have. I think he might have skilled it at the end. I didn't pick those.
Oh yeah, possibly.
That's a low cooldown though on the Viper Strike.
Okay, let's look at this from Beto's perspective. How do you stabilize a game like this where
Kiritich is not going to contribute, okay, for ten minutes.
He just isn't.
Hold on, before you go any further, what level is Miero's Dota Plus on this hero?
It's level 25 plus with that icon.
He is?
Yeah.
Really?
He has Master Tier.
That's really surprising.
Wow.
Not based on his performance, just in general.
I mean, I've never seen him play this.
Good mechanical on the hero.
It's just not...
Maybe only in pubs then.
Hey, go ahead, sorry.
Yeah, I'm just thinking, what do Bethume do?
I think you have to play around Void Spirit and you need Sun Strike on every play.
And you're trying to kill...
I guess...
Sand King and the support, because I think killing Life Stealer is borderline impossible.
I think Viper is very likely to backfire.
Look at Amar's build.
Yes, sir. I would like to buy one of each HP you have in the shop.
Bracer, Fluffy Hat, Wraith Band, Wand,
Dragonlands and treads every single item in his inventory gives him health
And he is level four corrosive skin now obviously he doesn't have caustic bath
So he's less tanky than he could be
But once this pike completes he's going to be another tough kill for them even against demonic perch
You can maybe still pike away someone and
find a way
Malarine's halfway to his axe and we saw what that did last game that felt like it was a nail in the coffin
often against Batboom and really early.
Yep.
That thing does some insane damage as Miero looking to finish that orchid and it will
closely align with Skeeter's radiance and in terms of being able to punch through again
it's 25% evasion now, which is nothing to stop at, and it's bottom lane, and it's all
the guns.
You will have to.
Amar is going to continue though as Crit making his way over as well, macro fire largely
ignored by Amar as he secures the kill on the position. Let's call him a three this
game, a third in network for his team. So we're playing Mid, Void Spirit, Offlane,
Terry and Voker Mid, and Offlane at Badden, Safelane. That's what we're doing here. Okay, got it. Understood. That was the plan all along.
There's the Orc, so this is a moment of opportunity. This has to pay off. I think
you're looking at chaining moves together if you want to recover this game
from the state, play with Lloyd Spirits, find picks. And in addition, we haven't even talked
about this yet. You have some pretty good infest friends for Life's Duel. San King being
the obvious one, you can technically play it with Phoenix. It's very good to have infest
as a save for Viper, in case they dump everything on a mar to try to kill him. That burst heal.
How far is the ag's initiate? It's pretty short now, right?
infest no for Viper eggs the nose died oh yeah I think it's like well that
that shot was way off but it's just panic I'm not sure why we're discussing
eggs on vapor because it's a Mars so he's not gonna buy it even if this isn't
quite by he'll change it don't change it he'll help I beat KB and they'll be
like oh I'm having a good time on bank Scotty Butterfly
I feel like they're just fun though.
Yeah, they're going to attempt it.
Sunstrike is not going to make...
Thanks to the four staff, Miro.
He has a Lotus.
I'm not even going to pursue any further.
I'm level 12.
He eats the big Lotus. Life stealer.
I don't know.
I fight Katsurumi with Crit, nice little deadshot KS.
Man, what a shellacking these two games have been.
Today at least there is a tiering going on.
Yeah, and it's fun to see how Falcons as a team, this happens to them quite frequently.
They have like a somewhat dodgy group stage and then they kind of get warmed up and figure things
out and flesh it out and seemingly from one day to the next they can level up massively.
It feels like Aurora as they've played in the tournament, right? Like, yeah.
I would probably say so. Just excellent execution on all fronts.
It feels like Aurora and Batboom have kind of swapped places in terms of tiering if you
take the last six months to consider Asia, sure.
You could even argue that Aurora might be eclipsing them.
At this moment they surely are.
The past Batboom is.
Because they won a tournament and now they're looking like top of the group stage.
I'm not saying the best Batboom version, but the recent one.
I see.
And it's just as easy killing here and taking it.
You can't do anything.
Death number six.
That wasn't a misplay from him.
He was broken in the calling.
Yeah, he has, uh, what's he going for?
He's going Daedalus? Wait, that can't be right.
What? What am I missing?
Wait, which bastard is this? It's not even the right...
Mr. Clickening?
What?
Daedalus? For Abaddon?
Uh, he changed his Quickbyte to nothing.
Okay, now he has.
What in the world?
He's...
Now he finds Kassadin with me for the third time this game.
Yes, indeed. GPK tries to turn it around. It's a nice deafening blast.
deafening blast, so this is going to be a ginormous kill for GPK and company.
Malarine takes the tumble, haste through for the Phoenix.
That should give him his getaway.
Let's see if he showed up with his newly picked up Radiance.
Didn't need to use it to save him.
Oh, Kirit is not all good.
No, Kirit is.
No, looking for the high five.
Okay, he's pop his ult and retreat.
It will be a tier one in all likelihood for Falcon.
I don't want to read too much into body language,
but I just saw Kirit is on the camera and he looked devoid.
of emotion.
That's a regular Dota player though.
Completely.
He's just, this is the face of a guy who got into a game in a pub and somebody double
picked your lane and you know you're going to lose.
You can't abandon because your priority, your score is so low.
You can't abandon, you have to ride it out and you just know how it's going and you're
like I would do a hundred other things right now, why did I queue?
There's so much other things to life than this.
so many better things to waste my time on, well I can't even speak English, I've got
to get the mindset of despair.
The brain rot is out again.
Yeah I was getting in there.
I could have dyed my hair instead.
He is going for the 20 plus minute radiance choice.
Yeah.
It does feel like, I mean what else would you buy?
Like does it, obviously that's what you wanted to buy to begin with but when you're this
far behind and getting that shellacked, is there something else you think he could go
for that?
I don't think it bad in a game like this.
That's why I'm painting such a dark picture for him, because the hero just doesn't work
that way.
Yeah.
Okay, the worse your game is on a bad end, the more you want to buy Midas, right?
Because you need to get to a point where your hero has purpose, but I think you're so far
down in the dumps that if you buy Midas, you might not get your Radiance until you lose.
So you kind of have to buy the Radiance. Hope that with this Radiance and with your Orchid, you find one or two good fights in the Comet Horns.
And they're in before he finishes the Radiance.
Here comes Mr. Thunderhide.
Triceratops ignores him.
And there goes the Tower.
Another one for Falcons. This is going to be a free Tormentor.
Have we seen any value out of this Orchid yet?
No.
And it's going to be Mantan, not that, uh, Skeeter, Skeeter.
Oh, Katsuhami for the fourth time.
Katsuhami is the epicenter catcher.
I mean, good job at that.
Yeah, he's a magnet.
Sun strike.
Oh, that's Kata.
Oh, they got the Torm!
Oh, shit.
Nice!
Alright, that's pretty sexy, not gonna lie.
Very nice.
That was cool.
He tied it.
I mean, look at the net worth change.
That's significant.
Falcons seem to be trying to find the Observer Ward
that gave GPK the infill.
I think that might have just been a gut...
a gut strike.
You will.
Okay, trying for setup mid.
Malrin is wary.
Understanding the map situation.
How good is cleanse?
Obviously just taking away the tormentor from falcons is...
That's extremely nice, but...
You can remove fire spirits. You can remove poison wounds.
Open wounds.
You want it to silence?
That is not purgeable.
What?
You're standing in the ghost.
Well, yeah.
So it gets out.
Yeah, but once it lingers, right?
Yeah, you can remove the linger,
but if you're standing in the ghost,
you're constantly getting shot.
Well, yeah, obviously.
Well, it's a cleanse, though.
It's a constant cleanse.
Yeah, and it's a constant re-application of silence.
So how are you going to cast?
But isn't it each ghost that hits you?
I think that the ghost has an aura.
I could be right.
I don't think so.
A burrow strike?
So you went from I know to, wait, you're wrong in two seconds.
that's right well I actually I don't know for a fact I thought the ghosts would
just keep reapplying if you're standing in my mouth so you're saying one time
when a ghost touches you you get silenced and then you don't get silenced again
until the next ghost touch yes okay it might be right I don't know how long the
actual it might be right not positive all right okay okay yeah they're gonna tip
them I was like there are limits to how lucky if you also would have lasted
Roche with Canada, though, been hilarious.
Revenant, heal damage, and silence enemies as they pass through them.
As they pass through them. I mean, that's...
...ambiguous, though.
It is.
They keep passing through them.
Why would it...
Why would it be an aura?
Where does this say aura?
We've both played Dota for a long time.
You know it doesn't necessarily say how it works.
I know. I know.
So that's... that's not a good argument here.
Neither is your face.
Nope. I also didn't use that as an argument.
I'm wise enough to not do that.
Miero.
Yeah, dissimilarate.
They missed the calling.
To the north, he's still getting clipped by the epicenter.
Uh, here it comes.
As Peter comes in with another slow,
and another kill goes the way of fast.
They have the Aegis on Skeeter.
Yeah.
Well,
Kyrgyz is just getting space,
so he's working on his recovery.
Like, I was still making the comment that this is borderline impossible for him to recover, but...
He's doing his best,
and I think going Radiance over Midas was the right call,
because it was just too bad.
And probably all in all I think the farming should be faster this way regardless
So I mean how's the building hitting for Falcons you got the life stealer, which is
With this kind of a bill. It's okay
It's not like a deso thing and then if a mark gets shard then it's really good pushing
Yeah, he's gonna eventually do that. It's gonna get all his carry items on bifurc
Hey, he still says he's doing it. Oh wait, that's that's the life stealer
He does have a Q though.
He still has a Q down to him too.
Interesting.
I don't know how good that is here for what they're doing.
It's not really a tanky viper belt.
Not prototypical.
I'm sure it's still fine.
Sure, it's a good axe.
You're never going to be awfully wrong with it.
It's because he used to be absolute garbage.
Just uncharacteristic to see him marred by normal items.
I mean, is this real?
For this build, would you go hurricane pike as though?
ages not gonna be for yes it will good pick for bed boom can they get out
definitely not for safe not in the cards for him Yerrell orchid exactly what
she don't want to see orchid into escape nice remnant
oh my god they're actually going for this I was wondering attempted TP not
Not gonna be there 45 seconds on the deck, tier 2 tower for Falcons.
No Aegis any longer though.
8k lead.
This is a statement series for them.
We had a bad group stage 1, we made it through and we're better than that.
They are just planting a flag in the enemy base minute 25.
How long was the last game?
It was like 30 minutes, I think?
Roughly.
Yeah, because it was even at 15 and then yeah, they hit them sub 30 I think.
We're looking to replicate that at the very least entering the base at the same time.
Crit has ATO's halfway to an axe which...
That axe is so good.
It's sickening how good it is.
Should really make a tier list.
Then we could just...
We can just view it during the cast.
We refer to that.
Oh, he's buying axe.
That's good.
That's the 42nd best axe in the entire thing.
It's very interesting when you put it in the exact number.
I should start doing that.
Instead of saying top 10, I'd say this is the 11th best.
Yes.
Agonyms.
And then you have to list the 10 above it because otherwise people are going to complain.
I think everyone thinks that I think we're always on the money never wrong
except for when we talk about nights we couldn't have been more wrong it's
Mal'Rean Disruption Ice Wall into the Orchid, no way to get rid of it, so Mal'Rean has
to sit for a bit.
And I know that's hard for Zoomers these days.
Yep, his second death of the game.
He was only 300 away from BKB, so that will not happen.
This is the last chance they get to throw him in that fashion.
Finally, that Orchid pays off somewhere.
It wasn't for what we thought it would be, which is Life Stealer.
Since he bought the arcade he has got his 220 on Miero
So has killed something
This is about what I expected out of the void spirit and it feels like even if it's mid it almost always is
Lingering in that bottom net worth of cores
Something about this here. Just like it doesn't farm unless you get kills which is
Not ideal. I think the reason he landed in that spot in the past and the reason he lines there now are a bit different
And I think it's easier to not fall into the trap as much because of the change to the shard, and people understanding the value of buying it now.
Like, they're buying it as a farming item, just leaving it in camps and going next camp.
So you're farming like two camps simultaneously, with the remnant, right?
You're having with the shard, right? Yeah.
So...
It's like...
It's okay, but...
It's still not as fast as truly fast farmers. So if you don't get any plays...
You should still fall back.
And now we are approaching the dreaded moment in this game.
Do you know what's about to happen?
At 28 minutes?
It's not about the timer.
You're going to keep speaking.
That is a dreaded moment for sure.
But, a baton is about to go up the ladder by one.
It's almost fifth in net worth.
For the first time this game, at 30 minutes, he might just crack.
crack can you catch him fifth position he's about to overtake void spirit I
mean I thought it would be worse than this me too actually I think he's gonna
recover but I mean he still has recovered in my eyes but he's done a pretty
good you win like half of a fight which is a dull ask it's it's definitely he's
doing better than I expected I would agree he's he's getting there he's still
the weakest core and his hero is pretty countered but there's hope and with
Now the question is if you see this BKB for Falcons, you just ignore Abaddon?
It's not really dealing much damage, you know?
Like the BKB to prevent him from getting broken, silenced and killed off before his ult goes off.
Now, you just ignore him, until he actually poses some sort of threat.
I would agree with that.
But his next item will be hard damage.
actually poses some sort of threat yeah I would agree with that but his next item
will be hard damage coming soon now that he has it.
Katharomae, glimmer cave, fun strike, that is enough to take out Crit.
Katharomae getting jumped in on me.
Nice save, from save himself, now Reem slow to a crawl, demonic purge applied, has to
BKB, wants to get the jakira will.
Burl, that was a weird burl.
Why?
That looked weird on the screen.
Look bugged out.
Why?
his body was it stayed in place for a bit
maybe i'm just having an aneurysm that's definitely possible
now rain now that's the real bkb he walks back into death
he thought they left
seventy seconds was all a trap
is this an open for better
i mean tormenter
what's the time around that
they could maybe take the tour before he spawns pretty much aligning with his
respawn, but if they do it instantly, when it respawns.
Great highlight.
Yeah.
He's walking into it.
Got to meet a quota. I guess we did hit the, they did hit the spells cleanly.
I gotta get that boom cred though.
I thought at this stage either the game would be over or it'd be like a 15k lead.
Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. I think they've done a very good job of not bleeding too much.
Also, with the previous game as reference, right, you'd think things would go worse.
Vader in his creep, wants to kill save, will get him.
And now they can go for the tormentor instead.
Yeah, so...
And that's when Cataclysm comes again.
If he does it twice in the same game, he'll be sick.
Yeah, just call Gigi if you're Falcons if he gets the second one.
I was about to say $100 dinner, but I'm not making that mistake again.
Yeah, don't ever do that again.
You're not getting any more free rolls with me. I want something.
What do you owe me now? You still owe me something?
I think I'll still owe you for the predictions from...
Oh, cat-up? Ah, that is not even close.
Step it up, GPK. Yeah. Just because you have no vision doesn't mean you're gonna get an excuse.
He's just immediately laughing. That's a great shot.
Brett gets a useless shard and he's gonna get a definite blast. He's worth more money now, so, Mier.
I was like, thanks for picking up that random shard.
Okay.
Leeds stays at 5k despite them getting the tormenture.
and it's wasted net worth. This is not good. It's not useless. Tell me what it does again.
It gives you, is it spell life still? The fact that I forgot this is a problem. Yeah, you get spell life still during pierce the veil and you get permanent spell lamp every time you kill a hero or die in your vicinity.
And you think this is good for support more to know it's just not useless it I would argue
1,400 gold into anything else
Would be more useful like stats. I would agree with that
But you are getting it for free. Yeah, you're getting it for free and killing you gives more money away
Which literally happened five seconds after you got so you think this is so bad that it's worse than for example Warlock
I think it's on the same level. If this was a Karrie Morta, or a...
That's great.
This is the fourth one.
She gets to hit sometimes, and heal up.
I mean, we'll see. We'll see if it makes any difference.
I've never seen it have any impact.
Is he finished with Ags?
Not quite.
Are you sure?
He is.
He is now.
It's on the way.
That's big.
That shot is enormous now.
You've popped Pierce the Whale.
You hit him.
HAHAHAHAHA
Pierce the Whale, that's to be a great cosmetic from where it's at
You pop Pierce the Whale, you fire a dead shot, and you heal
It's not bad
Imagine Pierce the Whale with Ghost Ship from Konka
The combo's just endless, the shark one of course, the cosmetic
Okay, smoke on both sides
Every chest that Valves puts into the game is actually technically a Pierce the Whale strategy
That's true
We're trying to do a big moment here for Batmul.
It is. Sunstrike's going to scout out two of them.
Snaking on the outskirts, Crit as well.
They spot him though.
He's worth 1,400 more gold, Cinderan.
He's going to die right off the bat.
Into the sunray though.
The borough strike is going to connect onto Jekiro,
who gets dropped by Amar.
The egg is placed.
Malrin will watch someone nightfall away.
Kiritich.
He's kind of left alone, Amar.
a mar thinking about pursuing can't really catch up those for the supports of
the ones that the Falcons find yeah this is the issue that I think that boom
is still gonna have in this game for quite a while is they have to commit so
much when they go in and even if they get a kill do you have the staying power
afterwards to fight the remaining course you're probably gonna have to commit
Two referee and Voker spells, Void Spirit jump pins.
Oh, really?
Does he have a strike for this?
Oh, the burrow, a Marga's the Aegis though.
He got off of, he got the Viper Strike.
The Astral TP away!
Woo!
He boxed in base!
Oh boy!
Oh, he bought Fairy Fire.
I think for that, right?
Yeah, he did.
That was a very fast purchase.
It really was.
Now he's, now it's marked for sale.
Yeah, now he's only getting a half value out of that.
out of that so a waste of 30 plus gold you're gonna see the replay here so that
this is a very good force that first of all to get him out by a mark good pike usage
but heritage gets into completely compromised position and Mars gonna pop
us won't leave him alone and GPK already has to leave that's the problem when
heroes get on top of you for the radiant it's hard to structure the fight against
these big boys and caretich didn't even have to didn't have the
opportunity to use BKB in a meaningful lane. Not really. Is it still nine seconds?
No, it's eight now. Yeah. Alright, well there is a shard for Amar, so these
buildings will start to melt. Only one tier two will remain in that top lane, or
what Kiritich has remained right now.
Three and a half minutes with the Aegis, which is Onamor, by the way,
because he will be the one's hitting Jabildi.
Yeah, he's very difficult for them to kill twice per roll, which he's talked about,
so they're gonna go to Wyrn.
I love how he has his wand instead of a BKB in his inventory right now.
That's the Aegis for you.
That's good stuff.
No point in holding onto the BQB for his first life.
He wants to stick charges.
Well, they jump in trying to burn this first life, but there's Skeeter popping out of the creep.
They get the burrow strike onto the invoker who burns down, two dead already,
and while the invoker GPK can not get back in the game,
Borrowed time already activated back to full HP for Keratich.
They're still going to try to focus him, so in that sandstorm, Mal'Reen does drop,
and somehow Keratich gets away thanks to the golden item, it seems.
and Skeeter and Amar continuing well not going to continue it seems like Amar will
they just want to restructure their formation they want to use their banner
fortifications going to kill most of the creeps this solo range creep staying
alive thanks to the banner the Sunray continuing to heal macro pie just a lot
of garbage being spammed in well GPK does have five act now got it during this
Just fight here.
Absolutely not going to use that here. No way, right?
I have to jump in now.
Inside of the calling.
Bash from Skeeter.
There's a destruction from save though.
And Miero get away.
I guess Orsaph to simulate as well.
Amar with the Orsaph is going to use the Viper Strike though on the Abaddon.
Felt like he got baited into this.
And he's the one to die, which is a much more valuable kill
because he has no buyback.
So this ends up being a lane.
It's like Kiritich and Miero not on the same page at all.
Definitely let Miero die there.
Now save.
In the midst of his buildings going down, it's going to get bashed up by Skeeter.
Glimmer cave though.
Staves him for the back beam.
We're trying to turn this around.
Definitely blasted.
That's enough to take Skeeter to the ground.
Dead shot.
Somehow hits everyone thanks to the eggs.
That was unfairly unnecessary death from Skeeter.
He just got overconfident.
Bloodlust.
Oh, look at that, though.
The 6-0 and 7 feels like you can't die in that situation, but once your stuff expires,
they have the counter play.
Still, Falcon's got what they came for, but that death is a little bit of a loss, overall,
of course.
The situation compared to expectation, but they can handle that loss.
No question.
Gonna wait for everybody to respawn and regroup, and then we'll see what the plan is.
Is it gonna be getting another Roche before we're planning on going higher and again?
That's minimum four minutes away.
Or is there an earlier timing with the levels?
Okay, Malarine is jamming.
She's sitting there head-bopping, maybe some nice music.
Maybe listening to the vibe, so skaters singing the song of death.
Yeah, I mean, if they wait for this Roche, which that boomer not gonna wait,
to try to pounce on this situation.
I like this a lot, just go aggressive.
But you could theoretically have three level 25s as a power spike for Falcons,
It's not to mention whatever items you're going for now.
Okay, they run right into them.
They get the hex damage into the tomato,
and he's burnt to a crisp again.
Safe.
Basically executed.
Indeed, showing off that...
Oh, Tornado, clean too!
Orcid now onto the Phoenix, Coldstep as well.
Miara's gonna catch up, and they are gonna delete the Phoenix now.
Beautifully played by the Phoenix.
Anything with wings they have in their sights.
There's just no counter play to that as Phoenix.
You come out of egg and there's a tornado on top of you as you exit the egg
Very nicely done
That's half the lead gone a blink of an eye of a minute now on viper
You could do some damage here. Abaddon has not done up the ranks by the way, Cinderan. He still promised me
I'm I think he did for a minute. Okay, but then they get a highlight of that
Can you get a replay of the good times when a bad and was fifth in that work?
It's a 2-2 tower taking quite a long time to the back door, really not helping with their case there.
They'll get that tower, they'll also get the top tier too.
That was the Aghanim's reveal, by the way, for save, so it has the two charges now to go with the Shard as well.
It's showing what the potential of what Bethune wanted to happen is showing.
If only they didn't get so bodied in the room.
Yeah, imagine if it was just even slightly being outplayed.
Yeah.
If it was just somewhat even, and Karatich wasn't in the dumpster for 20 minutes, then maybe this could have been different.
But if you get a close-up of Karatich's webcam, I want to see if his mood has improved.
It'd be really nice.
We'll get there.
Miero's mood is...
Okay, that's Crypt.
Okay, eventually we'll get to Karatich on the Abaddon.
That's another player. Okay, that's a mar. That's the wrong team now. Yep. We'll get there
Just not oh my god, look at here. It's just came I got them to show
Fucking got him. You just need to bait them. How is he level 24? This is a third man. This is absurd
God, we got him good
He's almost gonna hit level 25 here
There's the basher.
That's kind of impressive, honestly.
I cannot believe it.
Yeah, he's out leveling a Marr.
Dota is a mysterious game sometimes.
That rubber band effect.
The couple of kills they just found were worth a lot of XP, that's for sure.
He's finishing a refresher very, very soon as you said, and that's going to help him
a lot with confidence.
Then you can actually frontline.
You just go in until not doing damage.
Really.
You're giving that fun.
vision and you're costing chaos and hopefully you're forcing cooldowns out
which is I feel like a bad and isn't really meant to be the carry in this game
anymore yeah they're not anymore the carry is invoker and void spirit and a
bad enough providing utility for invoker to land some fat combos if they do it
successfully might just work at GPK could also buy a refresher now if he
wants to then he won't buy that but man he is basically capping out at this
point what kind of capping are we talking
flat capping skater gets the shard for this already been 10 minutes huh
trickle the flat cap or six pence six pence is British right all right you've
lost me now sorry I shouldn't have even brought it up you know that you know the
term right a six pence no no okay then you then that's probably
you think parents gonna crime self-detect tonight that you don't know what a
I thought we were from the same generation.
Will they collide? Here it shows himself. He is 25 now.
Refresher, like you said.
Trapping around, infested in Malrin. He is a huge scorpion.
The bigger you are, the less poisonous.
Oh, IRL. That's how it works?
It actually is. The small ones are the ones you have to worry about, but Malereen's a big juicy boy right now.
He has refresher as well.
Oh, this is pretty nasty, but he canceled it.
No, he's going to go on top of Catio. He missed it!
The burrow strike, though. The out pops get to Mr. Skeeter.
Trying to focus down the Abaddon, maybe not the target you want to go for.
Another missed burrow strike for Malereen, but the epicenter doing a lot of damage on the sidelines.
Catio only eventually taken out. There's the end with the Sunray.
Trying to find a connection to get the Batch of the Curious.
just pops his refresher though says another round of spells getting really low finally borrow time
activates still has that second DKB as well but he is all alone right now it seems and gets it
up and nowhere to go for the Abaddon that is gonna be depth number three in this engagement and
Falcon's just completely outplaying them despite missing every spell at first did you pick a cast
one I didn't even see I didn't see him were they just that zoned off that they
couldn't string anything together and they're not huh a baton survived for
30 seconds I think the only thing to do PK still has refresher to get it the
ultra of nightfall let's have a look at that I think you can be ran away what
colors these teal yeah just look at it on the bottom yeah just look for an
Invoker spell on screen is there anything being cast I haven't seen it
there's a meatball okay on GPK and meteor into PKB runaway oh that is not
the type of fire you're looking for characters like I suffered all games
you can carry yeah they had such a good chance here in this fight I'm now ring
with two burrows strike how often is that gonna happen
characters like yep where's my mid at mid diff
imagine him saying that after this game he's that
it's the classic that's a bit of a bumble in lane
mid diff
oh man
all right well through the rock man we go and it's a free one go to oh I guess
give us to do give it to life sort of viper or malrin I think all three of
them are viable candidates in this game so now rain's definitely not getting
buildings I'd give it to one of the other two you could also do the tundra and
Just leave it there.
That was unreal.
How does that happen?
And heads up to.
Unfortunately, they've just dumped the game.
So it didn't matter.
But it's just funny to see them actually forget the games.
And Tost, I forget who was playing it.
Was definitely paying attention to the attack on the train.
I just walked in and took it.
Yeah.
That's definitely a highlight of this tournament.
Okay Falcons, the time when the killing blow is potentially imminent, they've taken two
lanes of barracks, they're in a good position to take the enemy triangle area, push this
out, make a foothold for themselves.
How much damage can Falcons do with this Aegis?
She's a Roche banner the works. Is this the refresher shard one? Yes, it is snaking double egg incoming potentially level 20 as well in Phoenix
So nice time to get a refresh
Well, it's good at 10 of 46 when you think you've seen it all
He's still 3000 net worth ahead of a baton though. Yes. He is
Up to the high ground we go
How are you going to approach this
Aspect room. Well, you better approach them before it's time.
Okay, he does damage now, Cinderan. Divine Raphia for Kiritich. Potential last attack.
I'll hit him. I fuck with this. We gotta do something like that.
Yeah, oh, Miero, not getting the memo. Space.
Some waves on top. Astros away. BKB charged down, though.
Coming to BKB for it isn't great, but forcing the disc was nice. Disruption.
Kiritich is in there. Yes, he is. Get zashed up to start, bashed again, pops that ult.
Alt-barrel-strike-episenter combination with a DKB as well, save.
Dunzo does have buyback though, Barrel-strike again.
Trying to take out these Pest-kis for double-episenter now,
but you can see the control is there and the damage as well.
Mal-reen, back-to-base you go.
Infest onto a mark, Keratich.
You already used one Barrel-time, I'm gonna try to turn this around.
That's the second DKB, I believe.
Getting quite low, open wounds on top, Aphotic Shield, back-to-base.
Second set of Barracks though, in peril.
This melee barracks will eventually take out
The arrow going for the back line but the back line now includes a core hero with a bash and a dead shot down good
Oh, it's for the goal of 80 seconds. Congratulations. Go them. Oh, you're right. It matters not though. It's a death nonetheless
That's effectively
Wait, is this the last lane yep, this is negative yep
disruption now
With the Meteor Skeeter has the Lincoln's applied still with the Manta and now has infest back up
Falcon's sitting pretty in 60 seconds of no Miero
It's like falcons want to fully reset they still got two minutes to go on the ages and by their time
So in that situation they used
refresher on sinking and cheese
But it was the Refresher orbs, they still have the shard.
So they only used like half their stuff and they still got the gel gun.
No Aegis used, no second egg heritage.
Haspity KB in six seconds, he's broken at the moment.
Ultimate, not available anymore, so that's 70 seconds that they know he can, he's very
vulnerable.
Of course has the Divine Rapier.
I mean the thing about this build though, I mean not that he has a choice, obviously
this is an all in thing.
No attack speed. It's just a Lackardy. You're completely dependent on a Lackardy to do anything with this.
I have your 25 talent as well, right, for the attack speed. So once you do hit the first wing,
you get quite a bit more speed.
Of course, Airbird.
The core is starting to take poison damage to jump in. Okay, and it broke Dota, apparently.
Oh, it's back.
Back in it again, Sunray.
Keeping the Viper alive. Skeeter's gonna reset.
It's a creep starting to do work.
It can play this as slow as they want. Still have that agus. There are 40 seconds.
Lincoln's pop into disruption into Aether Remnant into the astral step as well. Second life for Amara about to begin.
Deadshot not gonna do anything. Miro, trying to create some level of space here as
theater now is the one to focus the buildings. The tier four's will be dropping very shortly. Which means in exposed barracks
coming soon to a theater near you.
This is going to be rated R pretty soon as we see the Hacks come out,
McRapide on the 2, but it's not nearly enough, damage Malrin, kills off Fiero,
and that is Divine Rapier on the deck.
Goodbye, Kiritich, as GGs are called.
Somehow this turned into a pretty entertaining game despite what we,
I think, are going to consider the worst dumpstering in a safe lane of the entire turn.
This one is going to be interesting to hear what Falcons have to say in the post-game interview
because I'm curious if they, from their own perspective, how well they played this game.
I think the first game they're going to be super happy with.
In this one, I wonder if they, from their point of view, won too slowly or made some critical errors.
In my eyes, the side of Bedroom only being like 5k down at 35 minutes or whatever it was was actually quite impressive.
Impressive and not typical Falcons fashion for how much they were crushed early game. Why they still if snaking did
200 more damage who have done more than curious heritage would be last in damage dealt that is
Unbelievable. Yeah
Wow, there was a tough time
But anyway, ultimately Falcons they get the two oh
Not flawless performance, but still very strong. That was a game of Dota shiver
It was well recognized, that's fine, you get as thicker.
But we'll get that next time for you.
For now, we'll talk about this game of Dota 2,
so rightly identified.
Falcons took it two and no, I will say,
we were very skeptical about that.
We was lined up and we had to help us as our favorite,
not just Wifflet Boyn coming in,
but also after the Falcons done.
But I think they put a bigger fight purge
than what we thought they would have.
Yeah, they really did.
It looked really bad for a bad end,
His net worth was sitting around the support levels after some really nice games from Malloryn,
but as the game continued, he got slightly competitive.
They made it very difficult for the game to get close out and they did get a lot of kills.
They weren't matching Falcons completely, they weren't matching their net worth completely,
but they definitely made it competitive.
It was a good thing.
I mean, I know we all want to look at Kiritich and say, you know, what the hell was that,
man?
Yeah.
rough one. But to me, I also want to flip the script a little bit and look at Amar and
say that it's very impressive that he knows matchups this well, where he can be flying
into something like an Abaddon versus Viper, which you would think is like, you know, traditionally
very Abaddon favored, you can take the poison off. But I know that there are some matchups
where if you can somehow erk out a lead in like the first one to two waves and keep that lead,
you can just play normal and beat it. Like Abaddon, if he has like a couple seconds less cool down
on the shield, he can beat you, but because you have some advantage on Viper,
he can keep stacking the Poisons because he has High Mana, he's sending Mangos,
you can stack the Poisons even if he uses the shield. So to me, this is just like Amar being
an expert on Viper that he plays it completely normal, but the way that he pulls the creeps
away and all the little mechanics that he does in the lane, he gets a little bit of
an advantage and turns it into a complete slaughter.
That's very impressive to me.
Yeah, I mean, he had the counter pick with the Abaddon.
That's Kyrgyz choosing his lane, and we all thought it's maybe worth Viper rotating to
mid to counter the Void Spirit and letting Sand King play more to recover.
I was even saying maybe Viper just goes the W build because the Abaddon can remove Q
But it turns out it really just show I I'm telling you what I've learned from Falcons over the years or what's his goal?
If you just if you just know
How to play every single scenario on whatever hero you're picking you can just pick that hero and any situation a mess
So yeah, yeah, I know Viper hasn't been doing the best at this tournament
But if there's one team that's gonna continue picking like vipers and razors and stuff
It's just there's a reason I was surprised when you guys told me coming in this event that Falcons wasn't looking that great
Because I was seeing the meta and I was like
That's their heroes by for raiser like what else do you expect to happen?
I do want to show some of the the early tempo stuff the stuff we want to see and that is about in dying
18,000 times in a row
It's a wonderful music roll the clips
Thank you. All right, look at this gang Malrin grabbed an arcane and they teepeed this to the off lane to get to this craze
Gang here just even tips him because it is not often you get a level six or higher
ganking the enemy safe lane, they even try to take the tower. Here he is, level 9
versus the level 5 Abaddon, who is only level 5 and a quarter here. This is the
1v2 here, but with the lifesteal rotating over that really just
solidifies. Those two ganks were gigantic for mid against the enemy carry, and then
eventually they have the break happening. It's harder to press your ulti here, so he
just kind of just hits him with poison until he eventually dies, and more so as
well making this a little easy. Eventually in the game he's more caught up here, and
the game is a bit different. He gets suppressed as ulti, he gets to stay alive a lot longer,
but it's hard for him to do damage. He is doing radiant burn, but it's against BKB
heroes. He was kind of like a big damage sponge in a lot of these engagements. Maybe not always
ready and able to do as much damage because he wasn't ahead with the bloodthorn, but he
really does his best. I think considering how that early game went and how this transitioned
for him, I think he did a good job of recovering.
You know what a baddard would say to a viper who's dominating and mining and is having
that's our time. Give me a break man. I felt like I saw you saw Jakus face as well. That's
wonderful joke! It was also her friend Speedway. Speedway, how are you doing? Hello, how are
you guys doing? Congratulations on the King Series. Okay, first things first. You are on your team and
also overall one of the players of this place the largest variety of one of the
largest variety of heroes you've played 11 different heroes during this
dream league so far which is a high amount considering you played 16 games I
want to say and I was wondering do you have any favorite like what do you feel
about the carry saves right now why can't you pick all these heroes that
for example Troll and Lifestealer today other teams don't pick them what do you
How was it?
Well, life's a little bit about my first heroes that I learned a lot when I was starting to
become good at this game.
So I love this hero a lot.
When I played this game, I was super excited about it because there's so many cool things
about this hero even though he might appear to be very simple and regarding thrall, I
don't know, just a really good thrall game.
I wasn't even aware that I played so many heroes, like so many different heroes.
Yeah.
It's actually...
It's crazy. You started the event also very different than how you finished the group stage to begin with.
And I do want to ask a question. I don't know if you heard us talk about it very briefly.
Okay, so this is not a slide because you guys are doing very well, obviously.
Just winning and making it through to the second group stage.
But we're kind of used to seeing you guys like at the top and especially in group stages.
If you look at overall last years, you're very frequently number one in the groups.
You know, if you're not winning lands, you're at least in the finals, stuff like that, and you're not doing bad,
but you're doing, I would say, a little less good than what we're seeing, what we're normally seeing.
I was hoping you could shine some light on why you think that is.
I think it's mostly because we've been playing with each other for so long.
It was natural that some problems were a little surfaced, it's all about dealing with them.
We had like after winning TI, we had like we won Pigeon, we did pretty good.
We got second in the last, we got third in Chengdu.
So I wouldn't even think it was that bad, but we had like pretty bad gym week last time,
and we are trying to get back to our good form, our unknown form.
But I think it's mostly tied to the fact that we're going to play the H.R.E. for so long
and also after TI a lot of our heroes got nerfed so we have to reinvent ourselves.
Yeah, it was definitely, you guys are still doing good, don't get me wrong.
It's just normally indeed, it's number one and now it's like, ooh forest, it's still very good.
But with that said though, you're saying like after TI a lot of heroes got nerfed.
True. Well right now, would you not say that a lot of your heroes are actually very strong again?
To be honest, I don't really like when these heroes are meta, like Viper and Razor, a lot of people think that it benefits us, but I think it's that way around, since everything is looking into these heroes and they're always first phase banned, or we rarely get them.
So it's usually better when these heroes are not in meta because you can get them later in the draft so people might not really think about the counters or not used to playing instead.
That's fair. If it gives me a little bit of a sand king effect, you guys are the only
team playing sand king. You'd much rather have a hero like that, but only you guys
playing only you guys are good with, or at least at this time.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That makes sense. I have heard as well, would love to ask you some questions.
Hey there, I have questions about the carry role right now. I know you've been playing
almost completely hard carries, but your playstyle has always been a little different than other
carries. I've been seeing a lot of other teams picking mid-heroes and putting them in the
safe lane. So I was curious if you had an opinion on whether or not that's good.
A lot of people are partying flexes. It was like people are flexing with Spirit to carry,
Puck to carry, because Dota is evolved so much, people understand how to demolish
few heroes with counter picks, so giving you the most flexibility in the draft is very valuable.
I think people might take it too far with some heroes, but their concept is very strong.
Are you guys gonna do anything that drastic or do you leave the flex theme to Malarine in a more?
I'm sorry, what did you say I missed it? I mean I wouldn't tell you right? Oh, okay. That's fair. That's fair
That's fair. That's that's a good one. I have a question about tomorrow
It is gonna be Aurora for you guys as opponents
Aurora has been doing very well, and we haven't seen them too much in tournaments before this one
And I was hoping that you could lift the curtain a little bit on what happens behind Toa's doors
I don't know if you guys been screaming them what you guys are expecting from the series coming into tomorrow against them
We haven't really screamed much, but I watched a lot of the replays. I think they're very strong, especially their safe lane
I mean, I would want to sing a lot night full
I feel like he has been he has improved so so much
It's like completely different player from the other years that I've known him so it's gonna be very difficult series
Well, it's going to be an entertaining one for us. That's that's for sure. Congratulations on today's clean 2-0 again and see you tomorrow
He agrees at your Jenkins
He's just yeah, it's nightfall. I'm not nightfall fan anymore this year. What I don't why
Everybody is a nightfall. No, I'm still a big nightfall fan
Because he rejected you. Yeah. Yes. Okay. No, I totally
I fully understand that. I fully understand that maybe we'll both be at a coffee shop one time
I said we we can sit down and have coffee together
Literally said he orders his coffee. Maybe I'm maybe maybe he's gonna sign up
What would you do if like the times are tough? I've been out there doing wall driver as a side gig
So there's a potential done the one that delivers
I thought I thought you were out there doing like art commissions and stuff because you guys yeah, I will say alright
And so we had a challenge the whole day, morning crew painted the picture, evening crew painted
the picture, and the picture was the assignment was simple, paint a gag.
And that was literally the assignment.
And we are going to show all of them because we're going to need you guys to vote for them.
And I will say the only thing that I painted was a dire tower.
The rest was all done by these three.
They were on fire.
I need someone to get up and get the painting from behind that couch because there's two
paintings and you can vote for either.
Oh, no, I just ripped it in half. Oh, no
There is team tsunami. There's team shiver. I'm holding the team shiver one purchase holding the team tsunami one
And we're gonna explain both of them. So this is team tsunami
This is a crystal maiden getting ganked crystal maiden is level two is I have health and yeah
They she's up against a global team on the top right of the painting
You see a hammer that is on breaking coming down a crystal maiden
And you see a lightning bolt, and that is Zeus also wanting to steal that last hit right
next to that.
You see Spearbreaker charging in, ready to steal that kill, and of course, Nature's Prophet
needs some help.
That's Spearbreaker?
I thought it was a pot.
No, it's Spearbreaker.
Then there is a Nature's Prophet and an IO that are tethered up, and they are ready
for some blood of the crystal blood.
That IO looks really good.
That IO is great.
Yeah.
Companion IO.
I respect that.
And Nature's Prophet's nice.
Yep.
Can you believe Ted drew the Nature's Prophet?
Did he really?
And the puck.
He's a good artist.
And the puck.
He drew the puck as well as the fearbreaker as well.
Well, how is that possible?
It is a...
It is a art style.
So this team tsunami, let us look at the other artwork.
This is a...
Oh, that's good.
Good.
This is a dire side of the map situation where we are playing Shadow Shaman.
Everybody's playing Shadow Shaman support.
Sometimes you just have to play Sporty, play Shadow Shaman.
You have been killed off by Sniper the entire game.
And finally, you get on top of this Sniper, you shackle him, and you tell your pod, let's
go get him, and your pod comes in.
And misses the hook on the standing still target.
Sometimes that just happens.
It's the camera orientation, you know, sometimes you're a little bit too low and where you
click isn't actually low.
Eye grounds as well, that'll get you dirty.
Yeah, we really tried to, you know, emotionally appeal to the viewer.
I feel like I definitely a lot of emotion went into this, but look at the diet tower.
I'll make that one.
Yeah, I'll make that one.
That's way better than it ever was.
I will tell you, because we said what which one Ted drew.
The companion cube is drawn by Effie, but the shadow shaman and the sniper work of Jenkins,
And then we have part and hook collab between Brian and Purge and obviously the whole painting
the background.
Purge, Jenkins, Brian, Purge, me.
Well you're the Ketsu captain.
Yeah.
What to do, where to do it.
There you go.
You did do that.
I did do that.
But Team Sheever, Team Tsunami, please vote.
We've been having competitions every day so far, and this was today's.
I feel bad for the crystal dated honestly.
There's victims of this.
I mean, it does look like that.
Something really bad must be happening.
That's for sure.
I feel bad for the Zeus that didn't get drawn to draw that boomerang.
Well, do be fair, you never see...
Flash lightning bolt.
You never see...
He's farming on the other side of them.
We should have put him on ours.
There should be like a Zeus that's like this small like in the far distance like
Yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah one thing that first would like to highlight look at the perspective
Yes, it was honestly that perspective coaching. I learned a lot first had perspective coaching. It was very good while drinking wine
Years and these don't remember said very perspective what I remember from middle school. I was not drinking wine then but
Your parents were
hold them while we damn this kid's hard the parent okay so um we have got um
if we got another competition running was not really competition but we have been predicting
outcomes of the game hold us right next to and we have got uh we've got uh well let's take a look
about the predictions we were for today.
These were the predictions for today.
I did a horrible job.
I did quite okay.
Can I say that mine were entirely randomized, because I forgot to do it last night,
but these are actually the exact ones I would have picked.
Well, they're not really bad.
I was the only one that believed in that boom team, huh?
I think actually...
No, I did too, look.
And I would have.
Wait a second, wait a second.
Neil Insania
Cap and SPG no no just that Neil and Sane and cap are the only ones that have everything 100% correct on this day
Wow, yeah, look at what the texture of leaderboard. We have that one too. Oh, no. Yeah, I'm gonna drop
I was on the top. I think okay. I'm not me with one day. You know, yeah, he's a he wasn't ready high up
He is now surpassed everybody else
And
I think this is rigged shever is it yeah, I think there's points that I got that they're not putting on here
Oh, yeah, I'll point you know
I have one less point than bsj, but I'm in 12th and he's in seven. That's how it goes. He's kind of unfair
That's how it goes. I took an alphabetized. I want to hide for like 10th or something or nine
Yeah, I will
Thank you. Let's know so
look at the overall standing in the group because the Dota competition that's going on is also
happening and I know it's only been one day but this is what will show you every day at
the end of the day so you know you've got to track the progression and see how it goes.
So we got four teams on top, four teams on the bottom and guess what?
They are randomized on who is on top and second and third and fourth, purge.
Unless there's rival reason.
Wait, Falcons has only won one more game than party vision and there are seven spots away
from me.
You can exactly try it.
That's rigged.
That is rigged.
That's unfair.
Doesn't reflect his iron purge.
Let's take a look at what's happening tomorrow
because we've got four best of threes coming
for the next six days.
It's not going to be cute today, but we don't do that anymore
because it's done.
Tomorrow, we have extreme gaming versus mouse,
thunder versus paravision, bedroom versus liquid,
and aurora versus falcons.
I will say I'm easy favorite with aurora versus falcons.
Come on.
Yeah, that's pretty obvious.
Yeah.
That's going to be hard.
What else is there that's good?
I mean, Maus Extreme is also very good.
It's two teams that are kind of cheeky
and maybe on the more like inconsistent side.
Maus has actually been quite good in this tournament,
I will say, but just overall,
you never know like which Maus
or which Extreme Extreme you're gonna get.
So I'm interested to see that one as well.
Thank you.
I'm also interested in seeing the EPT lead award.
There you go.
You're doing great doing the point.
You didn't seem very certain of that.
It can't be anything.
Oh, that is why.
That makes sense.
It was the leaderboard though, and of course we don't know yet how the group stage 2 is going to work out.
But group stage A, we know which points are guaranteed by the teams that are already guaranteed.
Top 8, so they got points already.
And as was pointed out yesterday, I think at the end of the group stage, Yandex, Spirit, and OG.
They have quite a large amount of points, but of course they are not in the competition anymore.
So they're just hoping for the points to be distributed exactly the same top-heavy way
as in Paravision 1, Extreme 2, Thunder 3, they hope for that.
And then that way around they still have a good shot of coming high up there in the rankings,
because keep in mind that will make sure you get an invite to Dota 2 at the East Coast World Cup
rather than having to play brutal qualifiers which will be happening and um, I think that's tough though.
I hate to break it to them, but the four teams that are below them are the four best performing
teams of the entire tournament, so that's probably not happening. Aurora, Aurora, Liquid, Maus, Falcons.
Those are like the really strong-looking teams right now and they're, they're, you know, below OG.
It's probably, they probably have already voted Ryan, we can put them further down.
If you have a strong bid on the paintings potentially we can make something happen
But you might have to pay for shipping as well, and there's no guarantee that will come across whole and
Also, don't know how this is also a painting that could never be reproduced it can never be reproduced one of one
It's one of one. We can write that on the quarter if you guys want on the back
eBay dot-com slash ESL 69 Dota 2. Yeah
Go follow us on my space
Well, tomorrow we have four more series, we've already talked about them, so you know one
time to wake up, right?
That's right, 11 is when the show starts and 1130 is when the first series starts with
miles of extreme gaming, so you gotta go to bed right now and then wake up bright and
early for some more Dota 2 here for Dream League Season 28, see you there.
When was it I started so clear?
Then you mixed up my thoughts
When I had no more fear
Don't you know, baby
Can't you see, baby
Can't you see?
Can't you feel it?
You know I, you and I met the first time
And it was written somewhere
That you should be from 9.9
When I get up on the reading in the light of the sky
I already can't talk about what's going on for a while
Two women put the wine in a cup of going wild and mine
My brother clocking till nine
Every few hours that I make my brother eat
I get that I can't rip out that I found a statue
That's the way I get up I don't really mean the love I love to start
I can't control what's going on for a while
Nostrilove, baby, can't you see?
Baby, can't you sense it?
Can't you feel it?
Nostrilove, baby, can't you see?
Baby, can't you sense it?
Can't you feel it?
Say more
Why wasn't I you in your right?
You made my mind go upside
And I didn't realize
Why wasn't I started so clear?
When you mixed back my thoughts
When I had no more fear
Don't you know?
Baby, you can't you see?
Baby, you can't you sense it?
Dancing in the dark
In the night
When I met the first time
And it was written somewhere
That we should be online
No power, no pizza, no packages.
Thanks, Razor.
Honestly, just stay quiet, though, to keep the law for every break!
You've got to stay where you are now!
What happens when a hero dies in Dota?
Well, it's subjective, much like the term hero.
You see, in Dota, heroes are not heroic, they are simply powerful beings doing big things.
Beings with the wit, strength and skill to do more than any common creature, which can
come from anywhere, from a beast to a god, as they have the power to dynamically change
the living world.
But what about the non-living world?
Where does a hero go when they die?
For those powerful enough to shape the universe around them, their afterlife is dependent
on them and a sinister force that pushes them to their chosen fate.
But we get ahead of ourselves.
Let's go through the post-mortem process of a hero to better understand that vile thing.
We can use a pseudo-random example.
Now there's an old story of a young man, Eons Go, who, like many heroes, sought power at
at any cost to defeat his most hated foe of being made from the cassents of the validity
of the weather.
Now maybe he hated the old Storm Spirit for the same reasons that Underkig became the
new Storm Spirit, or perhaps it was for the desire to control the elements like Disruptor,
maybe just a lust for power and wanting to become a god like Zeus.
Whatever the reason, the mortal made it his mission to destroy the Storm Spirit, and to
do so, he made a deal with the Devil.
You see, what lies beyond the mortal coil of heroes is not really a mystery.
Demons from the Seven Hells pop up all the time in the mortal plane.
I mean, hell, ghosts might help you lift cargo if you pay them.
Those that attend to these matters between the living and the dead are a collection of
beings known as the Court of Restur.
Mostly demons, some other creatures.
This powerful group acts as the intermediary between souls and their eternity, and they
run it in a very particular order.
Let's go back to that Shadow Shaman corpse.
Now first, a hero dies from who knows what, typically, you know, gangs.
Perhaps they are visited by death itself, the Muerta, or maybe that's just what happens
to their lesser beings, it's not really clear.
But the hero's name is written in the Necronomicon, the Book of the Dead, and they must traverse
the narrow maze, a seemingly endless labyrinth, which walls are lined with blades and filled
with a brim with pitfalls and challenges.
A court would watch souls pass through it, and when a soul finally reached the end, they
would arrive at their own eternal fate.
Now what that fate is, was determined by their journey through the maze.
Would they be damned to eternal suffering or cast into the light?
Would they venture into the novel realm where darkness is light?
Or would they be caught in a purgatory for souls that couldn't find the exit?
Now for some, like the Wraith King who refused to pass on to eternity, or Lion who had escaped
the hell and the maze several times, the ultimate goal was light, but to others, revenge is
worth eternal damnation, and so the deal was struck.
a hero left the court of Ristul brimming with a demonic exo-plasmic energy, and was unceremoniously
slain and quickly returned.
Now what kind of man would trade eternal damnation for power in their short mortal life, an angry
man?
He was the answer the court of Ristul had been searching for.
Who wants to watch souls slowly make their way through those halls, solving puzzles and
improving their feats of strength.
A real daemon needs a little entertainment.
With a new direction thanks to the brother of the queen of pain, Pakora, the court had
decided to be less bureaucratic and boring, more reality TV, indulgent, exciting, but
to make the meromays entertaining well, Soulsman needs some motivation.
The hero's mind was a race leaving only hatred and cruelty.
Fueled by rage and failed revenge, he lashed out at passing souls.
Using echoclasmic rays, he hunted and running spirits, chaining them with lightning and
sapping their will to fight.
The maze became the place of panic, souls fleeing his cackling laughter towards any escape.
For any exit would be better than being caught by the one they called the Razor.
Orion, of course, watched the narrow maze as souls fled in terror, yet even they were
shocked by the fate of those the razor caught.
But that was long ago.
Now in the midst of their weakening power from the Queen of Pain's Revolution, the court
arrived to the maze only to find the lightning reverent did not appear.
Traces of the void were found, and they soon discovered that their pet razor was unshackled
by an equally powerful being, the Void Spirit.
But why, without razor guarding the maze, could the dead heroes now escape and come back to
life, aka he respawned?
Unfortunately, we still know very little about Void Spirit's preparations for the Great Confluence.
But deep in the realm of the Void, Razor prepares for his inevitable rematch with a rival that
he once hated so much he traded his very soul and mind for the chance to defeat him.
And that reunion is sure to shock this world and all those beyond.
Hey, this is the afterlife.
Ah, I'm good with it.
Take the party!
Can I move out?
I never dreamed that this would ever end
I'm here, I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I feel, I hope to see
No, I am not one to reach you
This is the day that I must say
I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, it all went well
Enough, enough, I don't know
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now that just as we sing, in the hope we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I have no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know, is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't want that it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough
I can't go on
Enough, enough
Get on well
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
I can't go on
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
To be revealed, to be revealed
Everybody needs some time
I think you'd better take that holiday, mona holiday
That's right, you can now relax, cause your mind's on a flight, and it won't fly by
Just ask for your favourite snacks, when the cloud is close to blue
No cares when you're in the air, making down on the mountain, we're nearly there
Be chairing free the mirror, paradise is waiting for you
Everybody needs some time away, and some time to play
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
Everybody needs some devilry, ooh, some devilry
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
Suspension, sunshine, you really want your skin
Day times, time flies, happy and gorgeous
Oh please, won't please leave us at your door
Hard nights, all night, wish you could take them home
You speak, you repeat, you stun, you stand, and it wants you free
And this leave you to serve a treat, so take it nice and slow
You can't free in a fantasy, you forget your stress for a week or three
Trust me, when you do the same, there's nowhere else to go
Everybody needs some time away, and some time to play
time to play, think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
everybody listen time away, I said in time to play, think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
Just give me the beat, I just want to move my feet, now
Just give me the beat, that's all I need
Just screw your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't be afraid
Gave me that, but they need one of you's control
Go in the beat stop pumping and the party keep pumping
Everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your money, you lose your crew
That you know that you're doing the right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some major my life
Just give me the beat
I just want to do my thing
Now
Just give me the beat
I just want to do my thing
I just wanna win my thing
I'm
Just give me the beat
I don't wanna step in your toes
When I see you moving
I don't wanna let this go
Unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done
It's the truth and it's already proven
I just wanna make you laugh
Wanna do it for you, get a new smidge
I'm not the heat like an oven baby
Give me that love and hang me
Wanna use control
Cause when the beat stop
Poppin' in the party
The party get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool
They know what you're doing in my life
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got something major in my life
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to know how to feel it now
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to know how to feel it now
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold our future in your hands
I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions
I gotta be a little more discreet
And if you feel a fraction of affection
Then come and sweep me off with more faith
We could just solve all this confusion
We could sort it out
We get through this situation, no hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are, and less apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love, that we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me
That you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got a funny way of showing it
So this is where I draw the line
If we could just solve all this confusion
If we could sort it out
If we could screw the situation
No more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're wrong
Don't say sorry for who you are There is apologies we won't get too far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get you far