Keep on reaching out, I keep on loving
Emotionals, I keep on reaching out
I keep on lovin' emotionals
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving
So emotional that I keep on
keep on reaching for the sky
I keep on reaching out, I keep on loving, I keep on reaching out
I keep my love so emotional that I keep on, keep on reaching for the disguise
I'm not in this game
I'm never gonna give it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
Once we were both so happy
Just hanging out
There was no doubt
Why did we take for granted
All that was good
I wish we could
Find what we had and bring it back
I'll try to get it back, I'll try to get it back
Don't wanna get it, don't wanna get it
I know I'll have to get it back, I'll try to get it back
I wanna sing it back
I know we both had moments, we both said the same
No one's to blame, no
I should not let you agree
It's not over yet
Let's not forget
Come on, stop the timing
Knock on wood, so good
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah
Don't wanna hear this dance
Don't wanna try
One more try
I'm gonna save the girl
A love like we once had just
Can't be denied
If we both realize the way that
Everything's gonna be alright
Come on
Let's do it right
I'm gonna save the girl
I
First time I saw you I knew I had to have you
Don't mean to one night stand gotta find a way to be a man
It's something about the way it turned and looked at me
Your smile it turned me on and set my mind at ease
I'm trying hard not to stare, don't wanna look at me still
Just trying to play it cool, gotta show you that I'm hurting
You walked in all the air and seemed to leave this room
I just had to find a way to get it next to you
Get it, just a five,
Big beer, chainsaw, the sun is fire,
Got the great harmony, not to lay them on,
Then they want to close me up,
Cause I'm a robot,
So, checkin' me out,
Try not to be around with an old love,
One minute, but I don't make you stay in the shower,
You're a better person,
Check it out.
Wolves following at the moon,
Peek-A-Ky, neck-a-luck-a-fool
I'm bothered as you sit through
All the nonsense they throw at you
The type of thing on it
Just mean when it comes to you
I can't wait to show you
That my love is true
The one who missed my chance
Would you mind if I took your hand
Out on the floor baby let's dance
Extended cut, DJ make it like
When the only one's in here
Was so into this groove
Intoxicated
I forgot this morning, now watch me step
Though it was murder, I'm going to get rid of the stress
I'm feeling lighter, I'm finally feeling like I can breathe
The night is calling, attention, come blowin' the breeze
We're rollin' downtown, we're movin' to the south
We're rollin' downtown
And we can't stand where it feels so right
I think I get the skills of tonight
I'm gonna go out and have a good time
Ain't nothing gonna stop me tonight
Go through my clues and tell my crew what's up
Just wanna party, ain't nobody lookin' for luck
The music's topping, the speed is stopping
Feelin' alive, head to the strip
These wheels gon' light up the night
I'm living in a fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm trapped with your mind in these
Let me know that you're feeling me
I'm living in a fantasy, come on and take a ride with me
I'm trying to put your mind at ease
Come on, we're going down and down
We're going down and down
We're going to the south
We're going down and down
We can tear things away
I think that if this goes on tonight
I'm gonna go on and on a good time
Ain't nothin' gonna stop me tonight
We're cruising on our city line
Can't wait to bring the skates up tonight
I'm gonna blow up all the good time
Ain't nothin' gonna stop me tonight
Oh
Just wanna be with you, just wanna groove with you
Don't care about nothin' else, just wanna know it with you
Just wanna be with you, just wanna prove it with you
Don't care about nothin' else, just wanna know it with you
Just wanna think about nothin' else on my mind
All I really need is just to help you, girl
And I like to take you full of pride
That you can never forget
All the things that you've never seen
Let's have a good time, we can't forget
The time when we're together
There's a way, oh, on the way, life
Baby, we're all, all, all, all in the world
Time to stop that, and just get started
There's a way, oh, on the way, life
On the way, on the way, in the world
Don't stop now, don't want to disturb
I'm going live, where I'm on, on, on in the world
Gonna stop but no one can stop
There's a love
Girl, I'm playin' like
I'm a man, I'm a man
In a one
Gonna stop but no one can stop
I keep my love and emotion up I keep on reaching high
I keep on reaching high
You give me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your heart some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is one to get married
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is one to get me through the night
Look at me in my eyes
I wanna see my own reflection
Knowing I'm all you see
When I'm sticking to you
I keep my love in a motionless, keep on reaching high
I keep my love so emotional that I keep on reaching for the sky
I keep on loving emotional. I keep on reaching high. I keep on loving emotional. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I keep on reaching high. I
There was no doubt
Why did we take for granted?
Oh, that was good
I wish we could
Find what we had
And bring it back
On track
Let's give it one more try
Don't wanna give it one more try
Come on, I want to see that cry
I know we both had moments
We're both the same
Now I want to blame you
I'm sure that you agree
It's not over yet
Let's not forget
Almost now it's hard to get
Knock on wood
So girl, I wanna try, yeah
Don't wanna give this to you, don't wanna give this to you
So I wanna try, just one more try
I wanna see that girl
A love like we once had just can't be denied
If we both feel this way then
Stop being tame
Come on
Let's do it all
I'm just gonna take it off
I don't wanna take it off
I'm just gonna take it off
I don't wanna give this to that
Don't wanna give this to that
Let's get on with the fun
I don't wanna give this to that
Just let the music take control of you
Just leave
Just let your body do the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control
Just let the music to escape
What do you search?
Anything to do
Girl, I just want your love
It takes so very long
Something goes up in my mind
Every time I hear your calls
Like a song or a spot
You just get in control
Just constantly keep your pride
I feel like I'm on a high
I'm just here to smile
For you know that it's so easy
So easy to love
Just want to know
I'm just gonna leave
Baby, dream on
I'm just gonna
Just leave
Just move your body to the music
Just leave
Let the music take control of you
Just leave
Just move your body to the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control
Just let the music do its thing
There's only you and me
The dance floor shuts for us
The magic's all around
I'm falling on my mind
Something goes off in my mind
I might be the time I feel your pulse
Like the time of fire
You just can't control
This box you keep with the fly
I'm the light that's on the hot
I just can't describe
You're the light that's so easy
So easy
No, no, no, no
I'm just gonna turn it off
I'm about to quit my just leave
Oh, you better do
Just move your body to the music
Just leave
To the music
The music
Just let the music take control of you
Just leave
To the music
Just move your body to the music
Just leave
Just let the music take control, just let the music do the scheme
First time I saw you I knew I had to have you
I don't mean to one night stand, gotta find a way to be a man
It's something about the way it turned and looked at me
Your smile it turned me on and set my mind at ease
I'm trying hard not to stare, don't wanna look upstairs
Just trying to play it cool, gotta show you that I'm worthy
You walked in on the hair and seemed to leave this room
I just have to find a way to get in next to you
Right here, just to find it be a chance to satisfy
Get to every home in the WM
Don't want to mess me up, cause I'm running out of time
Stop checking me out, trying to clear out what I'm all about
Won't worry if I run like you're screaming sharp
You're not the one that first comes to take away now
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I'm bothered as you sit through All the nonsense they throw at you
The type of thing that interests me when it comes to you
I can't wait to show you that my love is true
I don't wanna miss my chance Would you mind if I take your hand
I'm on the phone, baby, next day
Extend to cut DJ Mickey Lenx
Now the only one taking it was sewing to this groove
Intoxicated by the way our bodies move
Yeah, look out for life
Yeah, yeah, it's on the second spot
Yeah, all the people out there now love how you're mine
Don't get one past me, that's what I want
Cuz we got the little guys we need
Checkin' me out, checkin' if there's a real love
Will it all end up
Let's go home
Now my girl, make yourself stay in the shot
Don't let go of the dirty rest, tell me where I'll go
We're making it some time on me, and some time on the bed, you think you better take that holiday, on a holiday
Back's right, you can now relax, cause your mind's on the fight, and it won't fight back
Just ask for your favourite snacks, when the cloud is dry as time goes by
No cast on your enemy hand, making down on the ground,
female nanny bed.
Make me care.
Stick, I think, I think it's not how you make-
Oh, I'm ready.
Come on, come on, come on, let's jump on.
Well done.
See, he's so long-time.
He's so long-time.
Oh, my God!
Two, one.
Just taking a part of this.
I don't know.
Stay ten, it gets caught.
Don't let him get away with my-
Oh, my God!
season 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
That was, uh, exhilarating, I must say.
That was your favorite intro yet, huh, Neil?
That's what I'm talking about.
Don't touch that.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, viewers.
This tastes like paint.
Yeah, I wouldn't drink that.
I think that is paint.
It probably is paint.
Lesson learned.
Welcome, friends.
We're just going to drop dead in the middle of the show at some point.
Well, that doesn't taste good at all.
Everyone's going to think it's a bit, too.
That's some turpentine.
lead poisoning.
That has happened actually where there was some famous comedian who was known for physical comedy.
He had a heart attack on stage and for like the first minute everyone's like that is um
It was a British comedian. Tommy Hillfinger. No.
Tommy Jones. No. Tommy B. Jones.
Tommy fuck British Vismcist. Sorry I forgot my name. It's very old.
It is.
It went out of the way with the money.
That is true though.
Yeah, he was famous for doing this kind of stuff.
Tommy Cooper, thank you.
Hi!
What did you remember to get?
Tommy Cooper, that's right.
Tommy Cooper, very funny guy.
Yeah.
You know, yeah, had a heart attack, just like that.
That's how we used to do it.
That was the voice?
Just like that.
It was very funny when I was a kid, I thought it was the main thing I'd ever
seen, not him dying.
No.
His act.
That was tragic.
And on that high note, let's talk about what we have built up to as we have now made it
to the final two days of Dream League Season 28.
Yesterday was the tail end of a Group Stage 2 where potentially things had gotten very,
very complicated in terms of tiebreakers and then unfortunately it all just worked
out.
Unfortunately.
Yeah, unfortunately.
to see everyone fight for their bitter lives in this third-force place of Tidebreak.
Yeah, I bet you want to see more Dota 10.
Yeah, actual evening shift with Dessper, with Tidebreak.
I think these are all the four teams that deserve to go through, so I don't think anything else would have really been worthy.
Agreed.
Also, we have two teams from each group that made it through at the end.
That is true. I didn't think about that.
I believe they were actually first, second, third, fourth.
Uh, so Clip's fifth one.
I believe they all had a different placement in their original groups.
Aurora was in group A, and they got first in Liquid Gut's third,
and then in group B, Tundra Gut's second, and Extreme Gut's fourth.
Indeed. One, two, three, four.
Very balanced in all things.
Good work, tournament admins. You created a balanced group.
Well rigged.
All according to plan.
But yes, our first series of the day was to determine
the top of our Group Stage 2 group, which proved that Liquid deserved it,
as they remain undefeated throughout the entire Group Stage 2,
ending with a 7-0 series score,
and then the second series was Falcons vs Extreme.
You're yeeing about...
I'm saying yeah, because I think Liquid lose that series against Tundra.
If Tundra don't draft poorly and draft themselves into a corner,
and end up doing some weird stuff.
or if coins were flipped in a different way.
Yeah, like I agree, I agree Ted, very student analysis, I also agree.
I feel like none of these teams has been, regardless of what the school lines are,
exceptionally good or bad, they've all been good, but there is weakness in all of these teams.
There is no clear winner as there was last time when I was here, which was Paravision,
when it was like, well, they just win because no one is playing at the same level as they are.
I don't think any of these teams have absolutely dominated or liquid score line aside
You might think oh, well they crushed it but quite a few of those games and series were hairier than they should have been
We're really how I would put it. Do you guys think that Aurora can make it back to winning this tournament?
Because they lost or us
Oh, quick. They did undefeated in the first group undefeated in the second group four and oh and then they lost to now
pretty bad
I've I've got them losing against extreme today in that series
What I think that's more about extreme well indeed anybody could lose but I wouldn't have said that if we'd look if they're former continue
The way it was at the start
But yeah, they have started to look a little rocky and extremely start to close it out a bit more as long as the team that they're playing
Into the series forgets about Tinker once
Extreme are golden they can win at least one game
whether a war will let that through I don't know. As for liquid tundra I think this is a good rematch
because if liquid beat them this time then you know it's fair justified fair enough.
Well what if the coins flip the exact same way? That's what I'm saying I think if tundra does get
first pick if the odds go the other way then it's proven. But you even want to win that coin flip?
If it's so coin flip depending because side is so broken you'd rather win the best of
Best of five finals.
Oh indeed.
Of course.
I realized I didn't put in my predictions and flip it in real quick.
You just said like, oh, I put in my prediction and I was like, oh.
Let me see what cap fit.
Let's see what cap fit.
Let's see what production is going to put in for you.
Yeah, I don't know.
I'm assuming we do not have the opportunity to put it in anymore as they will.
It's okay.
I'll put it in for you now, Neil.
What do you want?
You want Extreme or you want Aurora?
I want Extreme.
Okay, me too.
Me too.
Good man.
You want Liquid or you want Tundra?
I want Liquid.
I think Tundra wins here, but then Liquid wins Grand Finals.
I would see it the other way around.
Liquid wins upper, then Tundra wins Grand Finals.
I would say yeah, that's what I think.
I think Tundra just wins.
Until they need Extreme in the Grand Finals.
That's right, I think Amé will take that.
The uncrowned Prince will be crowned.
He would never forsake Amé like that.
believe in the thick aurora lower bracket run potential don't care neil why
not they lost or yeah about them anymore they day why once upon a time we're
like you know holy crap maybe this team has figured something out they figure
something out every doesn't seem like I'm gonna I actually don't remember how
Yandex won through season 27, so they got through that's a complicated bracket
Oh, oh, right. We had a different format for that last stream leg and so Yandex lost
At no point they won through the entirety of upper bracket they beat VP
Then they beat tundra, then they beat spirit and then in grand finals they beat spirit again
I'm dying like that
Did they went through upper bracket they went through upper bracket, but it was a different format of dream like that
Okay, so Aurora is already not gonna repeat whatever Yandex did no at best
They're just another division 2 champion, which would be pretty exciting in its own right
But it seems like expectations are low for that
Do you think this did div to champion into doing really well and did one thing you think that will pan out next dream league?
I think next dream league is where that that all goes by the wayside maybe because I think that's when all the teams start shaping up
for
EWC EWC TTI and
I think that part of the reason that at least Aurora was able to do so well
I think a lot of teams came in here out of shape
And they've gotten in shape as time went on sure trained by Aurora
trained by Aurora which by proxy was trained by Nick McGalaxy that's
We know the true source of power in all of D.V.D.
I didn't even think about that. It's always Nygma Galaxies. It's always Miracle Dota.
The king makes it.
Does that mean Nygma Galaxies? Aurora's going to advance, right? They're not going to go back to D.V.D. too.
Yeah.
Because they did so well here.
Correct.
Does that mean Nygma Galaxies are going to be the next ones making it through D.V.D. too?
So let me look at how the European qualifiers, because that's what will ultimately determine it.
determine it. So the European qualifiers that got the teams into Diff2 in the first place,
Mows made it, Liquid made it, Navi made it, and Falcons made it, VP did not make it, Zero
Tenacity did not make it, Zero Tenacity? Nigma Galaxy did not make it. Wouldn't you
want some Tenacity?
Don't be an old man, Ted. Give it time. Sorry. It's edgy. The Tenacity era is
dead. Yeah. We don't want Tenacity. Yeah, they're saying we're going to break
up as soon as we lose, which are very high stakes, but if it works, you know, you just
keep winning, then you never disband.
Got to set expectations low, you can always outperform them.
Yeah, they must be an NA Dota team.
Hmm, I was going to say, it sounds like you might have an attended profile, zero to
Nassity.
Looking for a strong woman, I have zero to Nassity.
Why would you put that on your profile?
Why would you call your team zero to Nassity?
Fair point, sir.
My argument is very well done.
Very well done.
Excellent resolution.
The last order of business, Ted, you know something that we've been doing throughout the entirety
of DreamLeague Season 28.
There's some tasks.
We have been Ted's favorite part of the party.
Indeed.
Love these.
Love them.
Can I at least summon the Taskmaster?
You can.
What are the...
Actually, we need to look at the results.
Oh, sorry.
Hold!
Ted just wants to bypass results.
Yeah, results.
Are we winning?
I think we're winning.
I think so.
What?
There's no way!
Are we winning, son?
Papa, no.
No.
It's close, though.
It's a nail-biter, honestly.
Don't play this out.
We don't give a shit.
Get that shit out of here.
You've taken away Sheva's Super Saiyan aura
because of the minus one.
What happened to a laser eyes?
Somebody needs to photoshop tears on Neil's face.
But that would imply that I'm emotionally distraught with the famous.
In any way, yeah, in any way.
Whereas I think we're fine.
We have...
Ah, now this is the NA Dota mindset.
It's IDC.
IDC.
Yeah.
We want these competitions.
I don't care.
No.
We have zero tenacity here on this team.
Go next.
Does anyone know what my night shift is doing?
My night shift?
Come on, hanging my night shift?
What's going on here?
What's he doing?
All I know is running down mid-shift.
Running down mid-shift.
And GG.
We have had Quinn on this panel a lot, so that makes us a strong influence.
Alright, Ted.
Take your opportunity now.
Because time.
To the beautiful task books bringer, please bring it down.
Bring down the house, maybe.
Oh, Bob is coming down.
Game of Thrones has time to enjoy the show!
Careful! Careful!
Handle with the pair!
Handle with the square!
Just go bob one to the block!
Bob one to the block!
Oh, he almost shot him!
He almost shot him!
He's in!
What do you want?
He's going to come and keep him on!
That's it!
Well, bless you.
Wow.
What's today's task, Ted?
Dream League, perfect.
Do the best trick shot.
You can place it and replace the cup
wherever you want in the studio
and nominate your favorite shot at the end of your shift.
The most impressive trick shot will earn 15 points.
Yo, we're fucking back.
We're back, boys.
We're back.
We're straight back.
Okay, we're still on.
We're fucking back.
We're back.
Hell yeah.
Rock-gearing breaks also count,
So they'll be filming, we can do trick shots.
Oh that's kind of creepy though.
Ted literally said the other day, he was like,
you know those guys who do those like trick shots
and YouTube videos?
Well yeah, dude perfect.
Imagine just being able to do that for a living.
But load of-
This is your chance, Ted.
This is, maybe if you do a second shot,
dude perfect will see you.
Yeah, this is your tryouts.
Bring you on.
Yeah.
And then that will start your career as a trick shot.
There's just more.
That's what we need to do.
All right, Avery stand there.
I'm gonna bounce it off your head.
This is a thing.
Alright.
That's not good.
Just throw these head as hard as possible.
Just see how far these things travel.
Again, we're going to peak on the first shot.
Sit down.
We're going to get a nice ricochet.
Nope.
You're over.
Nope.
You want to try again?
Yeah.
Dude!
Perfect!
Dude, perfect.
I'll do it from further back.
That'll help, that'll help.
Nope, not what?
I should've brought the box with me.
I just realized, we have Brian on our shift now.
Brian? Athletic Brian.
Maybe I can get it in the box, over the shoulder.
Brian!
Well, thankfully the shift's not going to be happy with it.
Picking up the balls from everywhere.
Every inch can cranny in the studio.
It just throws them nuts, Tom.
That's really hard.
It's like a fin-
We're gonna make it in the ass, kid.
You know, like you're trying to get it in that box.
Grab some of your balls.
Grab my balls.
Ted believes in the shotgun.
Grab some of my balls.
Here's your blue ball.
The Brian has.
Oh!
Oh, that's hard.
These things are pingy.
Oh!
They're a little puffy.
Oh!
OK, well, you got it back into the original box.
nine. The best I can do.
What have we done?
We're in a monster.
I really want to get a bounce shot. These guys just devolve into monkeys the moment there's
balls in front of them.
All right. While we're attempting to just blueprint the practice really
Our trick shots...
Damn, not even from here.
Hey, our first one.
Alright, so that's a contender.
Count it.
Yes, practically that could win.
That could win.
If nobody hits a shot for the rest of the day,
because everybody here is a Dota player
and therefore has not an athletic bone in their body.
Let me tell you, that's how Yandex are hoping to win the EPT leaderboards
because they're currently the top, but...
Oh no, never mind.
We have now revised those points because all these other teams are now getting some dream league points
Tundra is now topping the charts for the E.P.T. leaderboards as they are guaranteed a minimum of a third place at this dream league
Which gives them a pretty penny for points and of course we've got the liquid hot on their heels
So for the top three, you get a minimum of 3,200 points, and then the winner of Dreamleg is going to get 4,800 points.
So Liquid has a potential to add 1,600 points to their total right now, and Sanding with Tundra.
And they already got the 4,20?
The 4,20 from the stage points for topping Group Stage 2, that is correct.
And Liquid needs to scrounge up as many points as possible because again we will reiterate
they did not get their qualification to Birmingham, which is another point opportunity.
So, that's stupid.
Yeah, I hit the camera.
Oh!
Did that count?
Oh!
Did that count?
Oh!
I killed the camera!
Oh!
I killed the camera!
Oh!
I helped him up.
One's still sorry.
Alright, yeah, come on.
That counts as a trick shot.
That was a pretty good shot.
Yeah, they could vote for that.
You can do a shot off the camera and then into the buggy.
No, I think we might get fired eventually
because the camera's gonna be like,
you touch my fucking camera one more time
when I was ping pong ball.
Yeah, this is a starter.
Oh!
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
We have our starter, it's from here.
Check out the replay though.
It's gonna be my, yeah, is there a replay
of me throwing into the camera?
Are you killing the camera?
BOOOM!
Spot on.
What a shot.
Spot on.
Really? What a shot?
Are you missing these now?
What's happening?
I'm not on the trickshot team.
I'm off the team.
I can't tell if you're like intentionally missing or not.
It's backhanded.
What can I say?
These are very light.
Yeah, they're not weighted properly.
That's why these are not professional or great.
Right, they don't have the proper ARs.
Hang on, that's a four gram.
Yeah, that's not...
I'm used to it.
We need the regulation.
Yeah, we need regulation.
And also these are unmarked.
When these are not even branded.
Unbelievable.
They're not orange.
What happened to Marzia Queen's Orange?
Are you trying to hit me?
I think you are.
Yeah. No, she's trying to get it in.
Which team's close?
That was close. Go on, Dash.
And again.
Part of the tricking is, I think, bouncing.
We can get some direct shots, but that only counts so much.
Yeah, I mean, a direct shot, unless you're doing it really far, it's not really a...
How about a sky hook?
Okay, but we got to like, you know, set up some cops to like bounce off of or something, you know
You gotta get that cool stuff
Yeah, Dasha, bring it off my head into the box
Yeah, I'll bring it off your heads head
Playoff games are just beginning
Let's take a look at the schedule for today as this is the second last day of a dream league season 28 only four teams
Remain no an elimination is on the board for our first series of the day Aurora will be taking on
extreme and
Loser will get a force place and winner gets to move on to face off against the loser of the next series
Oh man, don't hit me!
I said hit us!
Don't hit me!
I hope you've been praying to me.
I agree, because you need those prediction points.
Let's take a look at the leaderboard.
Come on baby, let's go.
Yeah!
Absolute undefeated verse.
No ties anymore.
What was the breaker yesterday?
It was Liquid vs Tundra.
And you went Tundra?
He did.
knew I lost from the draft it wasn't even like a hope oh when I was like that game
three drafts I was just like well there goes that was at the doom it was every
part it was every part of it it was like it especially like the game one to game
two yeah it was like all they did the same draft but worse yeah it was a
very draft finesse heavy series that's okay today tundra learned their
lesson today they will draft better and today they will win over liquid giving
my me my point back we'll be tied again Ted again yeah Ted what is the
definition of insanity Jenkins that is a fair point although now that we are in
playoffs I think Jenkins is kind of a little bit lost like what is the most
subversive option to choose yeah claiming that Aurora and Tundra would
But so is Aiden, so is Kev, so is Shannon and Sin, like this is no longer this too few,
in essence the options have narrowed to the point where you cannot determine who is insane
and who is not.
Because there are just not enough crazy options.
Not enough crazy trick shots.
Oh that was close.
That was close.
That would still be our furthest.
Oh!
Almost.
Oh!
The egg shot is what they call that one.
This is our show, ladies and gentlemen. That's all we have for you.
And welcome to the playoffs of Dream League Season 28.
Can you stop playing around with them balls?
This is a semi-final!
Have some respect for the game. Have some more respect.
You're all done.
They're asking in the chat for the casters to start the game.
I might as well oblige them. Let's get into our lower bracket.
Like it's a semifinal!
Let's do this!
As we head into the first series of the playoffs of Ringling Season 28, Extreme vs. War,
versus Aurora. I want to talk about a trend that I've been seeing throughout the course of the tournament,
but also a trend that followed with the last time these two teams played in their best of three,
and that's the fact that there's a lot of fights going on around like the 19 to 20 minute mark,
usually near the Tormentor or Roche Pit because those objectives have become so crucial in terms of who deciding who wins the game.
So I want to show you guys a few clips from all three games of the best of three that Aurora Extreme Gaming played in their
group stage two just a few days ago. Let's go ahead and jump into those. So oddly enough,
this is Nightfall on his Abaddon and if you look at the mini map here, you're going to see that
all of Aurora other than him is all the way up at the top. So as we watch out, play out the clip,
Extreme thinks they've caught Nightfall, but Nightfall's got them exactly where he wants them.
They're going to chase them into the river and if you look at the top of your screen,
you're going to see ViperTPN and he's got a Crimson Guard. This boots of travel bot
Crimson Guard Viper keeps Nightfall narrowly alive. They think they're gonna get him, but that damage block is absolutely absurd in the current meta.
Suddenly we've got a massive fight in the mid lane.
Aame was forced to pop his BKB earlier, getting ganked so he doesn't have that.
Nightfall narrowly lives on just a sliver of HP, and that heavily decides the winner of that first game.
As we go into game 2 this time around, Extreme has Aegis, they're up by 3000 gold, notice how it's 1955, right around the Tormentor time and the Tormentor position.
But Aimee, he wants that extra tower because he's got that Aegis before he goes for the Tormentor.
We're going to have a really nice initiation from the Tiny.
They're going to catch Aimee with the Aegis, he has forced a time lapse which manages to stick around, but the rest of Extreme, they're going to connect here.
Stormsphere goes in and the reason why they're confident is this guy up here.
This Largo who's supposed to carry them through this mid game fight with the
with the axe that he's got but no the brewmaster spends the entire fight just
tossing him up in the air. So Ami is wondering where's the heal, where's the
damage that I'm supposed to be getting. He gets completely isolated, the
brewmaster win panda completely removing him from the equation. Extreme
does go on to win this game but nonetheless really deciding fight
from Aurora and then this is game three. Notice the timer 2024 notice the location on the map very
similar both teams care a lot about this area a lot of initiations from Tiny in this series
as we're going to see the tusk get jumped toss back in and it feels like there's a lot of like
scrambling fights where you're trying to connect these aren't like head-on engagements oftentimes
and this is the tinker from nothing to say that we're almost certainly not going to see today
after watching it get played out because he absolutely destroys Aurora in this fight.
And this was the beginning of the end. Yes, they were leading going into that fight.
And that's the key for me in this series is that we don't even know who's going to be
winning this fight based on who's controlling the game at any given moment
as a complete team wipe in favor of Xtreme. But either way, going into this series,
I'm looking at how are these teams preparing for that stage of the game? What are their
items? What's their approach to this? I'm sure there's an internal meta already being developed.
I'm looking forward to seeing what they give, as I've got balls in my face.
Thank you guys.
Thank you very much, Brian.
Oh, the basket's up here.
That makes more sense.
Okay, that ball, I don't know if we can throw it over there.
That may be difficult to ride.
The lights are burning my eyes.
Can you bring the basket, Brian?
I also touch on, yes, I'm glad that you're mentioning that no matter what stage of the game we're in,
it's tough to see who's going to win, especially after even watching yesterday's series was extreme.
It was floppy on both sides and I feel like that has kind of been surprisingly the way
that Xtreme has been through a lot of their victories even in series.
And the team ahead is almost a predictor of who's going to lose the fight.
Which is shocking, yes.
Exactly.
Maybe it's a bit of overconfident on the objective.
I should move over here.
I think that Brian's going to fill in the gap.
Oh, I just find that Nick D'Neal doesn't mean you outrank me.
I'm still looking over there.
Of course.
Okay.
Hello, Ted.
Tell him.
I know my place, Ted.
Thank you.
And tell me, Effie, about expectations for this series because I
Happy that Extreme was able to make it all the way to playoffs, but seeing their game against Falcons yesterday and seeing their loss against Falcons yesterday, a loss with a stand-in, is a little bit discouraging to me.
A little bit, but you know, I have high hopes for them because every time they get cooked by a team or rolled by them in any capacity, they do learn pretty fast from that.
Like I remember ExoNel when an interview was talking about how after Liquid basically rolled them, they learned a lot, and the next two days they looked so much better.
much better. So it's just a matter of how quickly they were able to make adjustments and this
team I think is pretty solid. Though I think part of their advantages may be dwindling as
you were mentioning the tinker almost certainly Ted we're not going to be able to see it in
this series after how much work NTS has been doing on it. He's a beast and everybody knows
that he does still manage to get it through sometimes. I feel like in any in any game
where you ban it and then they dumps to you you think well we've got to ban these
busted heroes but then we don't want to face that again so I think we can deal
with it you see teams do that a lot where they think I think we're gonna
answer for this and they do not and it somehow gets through and he gets to run
rampant with it I feel that happens consistently throughout every time I've
ever worked there's always one guy with one hair that you think don't
give him that and eventually someone messes up well thanks I believe we've
got an answer and they do not but there's always a chance.
It does feel like pocket picks are very important to have in rest of these
They'll usually come out in the game three for the question is how many pocket picks that have historically existed in Dota are still good right now
Brute is barely good like and fallen out of favor. I mean, we'll see tinker
Probably not come out especially in that game three like what else exists from the mid lane
You could say maybe has scar but has cares been a trendy hero that people think about anyway
Yeah, a lot of the toxic heroes are so meta right now
I remember Falcons basically saying we're upset that all these toxic heroes are meta because now people have it on their radar
They're prioritizing it so we don't just get to pick it when we want and I think that does remove a lot of the surprise factor
A hero that I was seeing creep up that did lose yesterday in the tundra liquid series that I have been liking a lot as Muerta
It's kind of like a like a magic SF like you instead of a minus armor hero
You're obviously magic damage with your ulti. My meta defining
ideas right now are Silver Edge, ranged carries that can chew through the
frontliners that we're seeing because we're often seeing like pipes pretty
early on in the game and so I'm wondering if there's it's not a matter of like is
there a cheeky hero that people are gonna bring out but more so is there a
hero that can suit the meta that might surprise people with the matchups that
it's in that's good that's what I'm keeping out for in the playoffs at least.
You talk about cheeky heroes and Silver Edges but when you think about it for
extreme gaming if a pocket pick were to come out it would be from Amé actually
and not NTS it would be something like elastic faceless void or maybe a medusa
even something like an anti-mage yeah I wouldn't be surprised if Amé is the
one that mixes it up a little bit today because NTS is kind of on their radar
and a lot of the cheesy heroes are mid and Amé has actually had one of the
largest carry hero pulls throughout this tournament which sometimes I view in
in two ways, which is, one, you haven't really found your signature yet,
like, I'm gonna jam this into every single draft because you guys can't figure out how to beat it,
or it's him situationally counter-picking a lot of the times.
I also feel like there's a lot of anti-carries in the meta that are also banned,
like, it's like the Vipers, the Razors, the Huskars, but also like the Shadow Demons, the Batriders.
So I just feel like it's hard, even with those bans, there's always like one or two that get through,
and it feels very difficult to pick your carry early on unless you're a SF, of course.
It's also just the Jaleid drafting style, right?
He has always had this like identity in the teams that he's coached,
that we're going to play more heroes than the other team.
Therefore, it's going to be harder to draft against that,
and extreme gaming are very much still doing that here.
And I think they're the highest hero pool team in this tournament,
which is very interesting because it seems like teams have
slowly specialized throughout the course of this tournament,
but I can't really say the same for extreme gaming.
Like, we're still seeing different things every series,
He's like, oh, they're playing Vistage now?
Oh, they're playing Largo now?
Oh, okay, here's a random anti-mage.
Yeah, in contrast though, Aurora Gaming,
we were celebrating their rise.
Brian, you were primarily covering them,
because Tab and I, we didn't get to actually cover
a single Aurora Gaming series,
so we were only watching it through proxy,
but we were looking at the results,
seeing like, wow, these guys,
they're tearing it up,
and then the past three days have been
a little bit taken the shine off of them.
Yeah, this is like my armchair psychology,
Outside looking in diagnosis is that something happened in that fourth series where they lost I believe to liquid
That was their first loss and ever since then Lorna's been going every single almost every single game except maybe when he's playing
Storm he goes like bots pipe or bots
Crimson like he's basically become like an aura bot for this team which from mid. Yeah, and it's I
Feel like something happened in there where there was like a discussion in the team
They're like this is what's wrong
We don't have the hero like the the aura is to fight them in this mid game
And we need to find somebody to do it. Hey, more or not you do it and it works sometimes
But once I saw him when he was against a dark seer invoker and he went type on viper
First big item and he just literally got cataclysm inside of a wall
And I'm just like how did he's I feel like it's to the point where he's sacrificing his own play
And you know, I do believe that they were kind of in the rose-tinted glasses
Glasses stand in honeymoon phase and it feels like that's crumbled to some degree
I think they've had some time to be like, okay, we went over the top
Let's they had a bit of a bounce back yesterday, so I'm having more optimism for them today
But I don't want to see that for more. Hmm
Maybe that's something other teams have identified to like oh if we take away the storm spirit from Lorin off
If we take away a puck or we make it a hard pick here then you'll end up playing the style that you described
I just don't think fits him
I don't either but I mean yesterday was very promising for them and he didn't
manage to get pucked twice and from spirit one time. That's that's what we
want to see him on. Oh for this if you're an Aurora fan. We saw a, I don't think it
was the Aurora game. Who was it that was stolen? They were against an
ambush so they got grieves to help with the chains but ended up just
doing nothing. That was no one right I think? It was yesterday. Was it not
BZM? Might have been. Might have been BZM. Might have been. I feel like
Your mid is meant to be your sort of playmaking, styling on people, getting kills, damage, greaves,
pipe it, what is this?
I don't want my mid lumbered with having to get aura items and heals and just fuck you,
I want them to blow people up.
I mean, I think the greaves fad was interesting because it's really good in theory against
an ember right because he has chains on his beard vessel, but it's an item that in theory
is good for storm like heroes because you're using it to give yourself mana on the map like to form
but you can't be spamming it your your your sustainability and survivability mechanic
can't be the same thing right right because otherwise you just don't have it available
you're either not utilizing it or not available the buildup is crappy as well it's a huge recipe
yeah it's just and the mech is useless for yeah storm as well like does nada i mean it makes
sense why people were buying it but i do think there's a reason it's it's falling off and
And I am really happy to see that Aurora highly prioritized Lorna, just getting a mobile do-shitter in the game.
But I think that also just speaks to how bad the spell items are for ranged, uh, from mid-hero build.
True, no, it's true.
Like, in the past, if you were a Stormfair, you'd buy Yule's before Yule's mana cost was so high,
like the recipe cost was so high, it felt like a better item to have.
And if you're playing from the mid lane now, your items are like Gleeves or Mantis Island.
We were even seeing Mantra Storm like a few months ago, like clearly people are struggling,
like it's a, what a bloodstone, you know, that's a dispel item.
Well, we know what happens if bloodstone is too strong.
Yeah, that's true.
We have to get rid of that.
That's true.
It gets its month every two years.
It's a month.
Yeah, we see the Lornauf puck come out, the trade-off was the Shadow Demon, and
the follow-up here is the J'Kiro for Ikari, this looks like a strong job for Aurora
in terms of when they've looked really good with really strong lane dominating 5 and lore
enough on one of the signatures.
I think it's really funny Jekiro's like trajectory of win rate through this tournament.
I've stopped taking group stage 1 win rates like super seriously because sometimes it's
just a matter of the teams that are weaker are like copying what was meta and they're
not using it as well so then they're losing with it.
But Jekiro's like, well it's like a 30% win rate coming out of group stage 1 and
now it's almost back to 50%.
Clearly despite the win rate saying that it's negative. It's it's it's clearly a very strong hero amongst the top tier teams
It just wins its lane. It's what do you reckon Lorna's go in that bowl?
Eminence he's eating with his hands right? Yeah, that's not cereal nuts
Be nuts and it does it maybe maybe like a mixed nut both trail mix. Yeah trail mix. Yeah
It doesn't look like all one color. Oh
It's having trouble us could be nice. Oh, I wiped it on his pants. It could be so it's probably salty salty nuts
Yeah, yeah
It's going back for more. Oh, we get a slow mowing on that
Production definitely not busy could definitely take the time to slow mo
Don't find out what Lornoff has in that bowl. Very important. It was thrilling
It looks crunchy. He's got a shot of one there. I reckon he's a nuts
More signatures coming out for Aurora WS gets to Mars as well
I mean, this is a great Mars game, right? You see two
offline supports that have saves and escape act and then disruption
You're like well the Mars is coming out and I'm going to bloodsport you and because you see this tiny early on
You know, there's really no flex with thuring master. It's fine. Tiny has a good matchup mid versus the puck
But what do you factor in okay? Who's tiny playing with early on?
He doesn't have the cuddle-esque type of hero that enhances its power
Then he's like very dependent on his supports being alive
during these team fights and when you have double jump heroes like Mars and
Puck your job is a ringmaster and a shadow demon is so much harder.
Yeah I feel like they are severely lacking mid game damage and I'm wondering
I think Kaz is on Aurora's mind right now. Like they're maybe
preemptively gonna counter who's been having an amazing tournament so I've
mainly been seeing her pop up in group stage two as well so clearly
priority is rising I just know Kaz has been it's been like a mixed bowl
Against yeah, okay, so it is against the Mars people have been picking a lot of Kez which I've seen it go both ways
It's like you either jump the Kez and he dies at the start or he kills everybody
Which is why I thought it was even better of a Kez game because he's got two saves
Honesty whichever carry you pit against him, which is already a struggle for any character toe-to-toe with Kez
Yeah, very few they're gonna hear shadow demon so it's gonna suck for them both ways
Yeah, the counterpoint to that is there's a lot of control for the shot at him
There's a lot of jump heroes that are going to be gutting for him a little guy
Or a little fella. Yeah, the cast versus Mars thing is interesting because Miro mentioned that he thinks this matchup is 60 40
It's not that bad
So I'm starting to think it's more dependent on the supports and how they function in that lane
So if we're looking at is that a ringmaster 5 versus a hoodwink that to me looks better
For the cast then if it were the shadow demon
Yeah, I would prefer the SD as a 4 here because Ringmaster can kind of take it to the Sudowink and
Define the Kaz when they do make a plan on it.
I think the natural thing to do now is for Xtreme to pick a pipe off laner, it's a really
good pipe game against Aurora, already a meta item so it's not really in bold prediction
but there's, okay, Underlord gets taken out, maybe Darkseer too, just, premier pipe
builders.
Tintar, yes, Tintar would be good.
It's not the most amazing vs. Mars puck,
but it's more important you have a hero
that does the job in the game.
Yeah, he did.
Oh, that was actually you at this time.
Yeah, that was actually me.
If you've seen him popping up on your screen
at random points in games,
that's because I sometimes sit on it,
I apologize, they should really take away the power.
It's too much power.
It's been bestowed upon Jenkins and yeah leading on to you
This void and Ursa banned out they want to protect
I'm assuming a melee off-laner who is going to be that aura bot as you're insinuating Brian
Yeah, I also think it's like the carry matchup against Kaz
Ursa is one of the few that can actually stand its ground and also a nightfall special and then faces void is also like
Like BKB piercing disables are really nice against Kaz B. Smasher is in the pool. It doesn't really seem like a
Oh, yeah, and I'm like a nightfall hero
You know as a bad okay, baddits removed
I'm actually not surprised that I got removed super early on in the game
I like the tide under Bantu. They do have break to the old time
But it's not like could be some most amazing break. They did just need a front-lining or a guy, so
That makes sense. How many doesn't we thought like he's having a good time?
You know what I mean? He's always got kind of a happy little face. It's jolly. He seems to be enjoying himself
Oh, we, uh, I don't know if this is relevant, but I did see that random x-axis message again.
Yeah.
If you think that that would be an option.
Uh, that was specifically against Ursa safe lane with a melee four.
I think that was like...
I don't think they would with that out here.
It was a hyper specific situation.
It made sense there.
And they also had a tinker.
Okay, so they just got the, yeah, the basic round of Centaur.
Very straightforward.
They just needed a pipe guy.
There is counter play for this Centaur though.
So, why let's the...
It's the pick that will buy you a pipe. You're still not going to get a lot of value out of Sampeet when people are getting arena-tuned.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think Morta's an underrated hero. I don't know if Amé plays it. Maybe it's too bad because they just don't deal with BKBs already. Maybe they just need a...
Okay, oh!
I was thinking they might go Svunder or Lifestealer, but they go the Lifestealer route instead. Do you want to talk about it, my friend?
I mean, I I love life stealer as a hero, but this patch he has felt a bit underwhelming
In the safe lane, I'm always concerned about his laning prowess
But I think he's one of these one of those heroes in the meta right now that can only work if you have specifically Warlock
Origin hero as your five-baby triumphant, I guess but
Also him against Centaur, are they thinking he can yeah you two threw him up
It's also like he's just gonna be a guy that right clicks you through BKB with a bash or later on
It'll be nice against Kaz because you can reset you have multiple dispels with your infest and your rage
So the damage over time from Kaz
But I've never actually played Kaz versus lifestealer. So I think I'll may is probably gonna go to the deso build
I think long fights favor Aurora heavily here
Like you're gonna have your volley of spells from tiny you're gonna have your BKB from Kaz, but lifestealer is multiple rages
He's gonna have multiple infest if he goes ads puck long fight hero
So it's a matter of who can extreme lockdown at the start
I'm favoring Aurora because extreme doesn't have a ton of burst and I don't think they win long fights
That's kind of how I'm going. I think this life still looks unthreatened
Like it looks like he's playing for free so long as he doesn't get
Destroyed on the lane, which I don't think will happen because he has a jacquero
Who who touches him there's he's really untouchable this game
I mean you can make an argument that maybe Kaz has enough damage
But like you mentioned you just infest yeah, he's playing for free in this game
I think I think he set up for success on the
Is it still time to change the predictions or not in the leaderboards, but I will accept some
re-evaluations
I didn't even make my predictions
I'm sure you would they were defaulted for all
Here's the bank off of this hand take a shot take a shot Brian. Oh, I just started
Come on Mira
Oh no!
Come on!
Oh no!
Not Avery! Everyone is attacking Ted and Avery today.
That's the point. That's what happens to Paul.
Yeah, that's right brother. You know what's up.
There's magnetism.
That's why we want that animal magnetism.
When he's casting the game, let's get into game number one with Cap.
I won't lie, watching my team, I'm rapidly losing hope that we have any chance of winning
this trick shot thing.
But you know, I never had any hope, so it can't lose it if you never got it.
Aurora certainly had it.
Are they losing it?
Definitely lost some series there and they looked up to you.
They have indeed, have they lost their minds, picking Life Stealer.
No, I think it looks like a pretty good Life Stealer game.
Nightfall Classic, he's pretty comfortable in this hero, they've played it before.
Is it the strongest Life Stealer there's ever been? No.
But in a game like this, where it's going to thrive, it's going to be an issue for XG.
I feel like as a safe laner, GoreStorm has to have some really good value
when there's an ancient camp right next to you.
Like hitting level 6 on Lifestealer and then immediately being able to jump into one of the ancients
and possibly go through the gate to gank. Maybe you just gank the offlaner with it.
He's that the kind of player Nightfall is though.
It only could infest TP.
That would be a high-pitched play.
Also, what do you think about Ag's Lifestealer against Tess?
I- because I was thinking about this and I was like what is it? Could the life stealer versus
Keds matchup be good? And what parts of it would be good?
And I came to the conclusion that maybe AX is really effective against Keds. Like he has this
whole thing where he goes invulnerable with this stupid ass raptor dance and then he either heals
a bunch off of hitting you or he, you know, leaps away afterwards. You would effectively
We dodge the raptor dance and stick on top of them, doing damage to them.
I can see it. It's just the axe lost the disarm.
I think since then it's been pretty underwhelming.
Yeah.
I don't care enough.
Dodgy's damage could be good.
I think it's a fine matchup, really, still, in theory.
Just how strong this hero is in question, as opposed to how good is the matchup.
Sure.
Can't you overcome it yourself?
Perhaps. What do you have to do?
The battle within sort of life stealer's lore.
I think ultimately this series is going to come down to whether XG can step up.
Because they've got some really big theories and they've got some big misses.
Very volatile, team.
Cowrie, first blood is going to be one way or the other here.
Cowrie is the first one to die.
FY takes him out with a blood grenade before FY falls to Nightfall.
And to me, FY is the definition of that hit or miss.
He has some games where he goes off, looks very solid,
and he's had some games where you wonder,
is this guy even know what the hell is going on?
Is there a trend on like what heroes he's hitting or missing with or?
I prefer him on the ranged spellcasters. I think that's more of his wheelhouse.
Yeah, that's another reason I don't like when they go the spearbreaker out.
It's just, I don't know, it just does not work as well for this team. I think
the lane is not as good. I think FYI, having a good start goes a long way for this squad,
more than they maybe prioritized. And especially in a game like this,
you have the shattered even super powerful hero first pick hero you're one of your few
answers to life stealer in this match with demonic purge kind of cutting him out in the fight
I think that disruption is also super important for actually here in combination with escape act and
dealing with some of the nuke damage coming out from a bar setup
so I am looking at actually supports to get a lot of work done in these key fights
Especially if they have the kezel, if you ever get jumped or silenced or coiled, you have to double save
You should be able to protect on them and make sure his damage goes off
Did the Mars go the Blitzwort or did he go...
Against double save it looks a little too juicy here for WSG reviews
So I like that. I also don't think the lifestealer really needs a drink piece
as much as all their carries he has built in sustaining he has it in fast and Puck also probably
doesn't need it more and also he may not be in the arena.
Also why watch that fast I think it's the feel good fast but I think the impact or
the percentage win that's doing is incredible.
You think it's like a win more fast like if you're already winning.
I think it rarely changes the outcome of a fight, it just feels nice because you get a kill and you're like, oh, I got resources.
The one thing that does affect it is it gives you resources, which means in some situations you're going to stay out on the map slightly longer, it might set you up for a further event better.
In terms of the actual teamfight though, I don't think it has as much impact as people think.
I think it's a deceptive facet, which doesn't mean you should just automatically take Bloodsport because this facet is also fairly familiar.
Spear to the backside, Exnova falls to it and Aurora, nice pickle, up and killing lane.
Very strong lane here with the...
...Parsuit, which, unsurprisingly, didn't stack something here in the early game.
FY and Cowrie, trading back and forth once again.
Shattered even one of the few heroes that can go Totodoro in Jikiro because he also has that early Damage Amp in his innate.
Ooh, the avalanche gets covered and nothing to say does manage to get the water rune.
Dorn off.
Effectively waste resources trying to get him.
Solid start here.
Oh, uh, winning the Mars lane, the likes to do free farming.
Mid lane is going the way of the timing.
A little bit there.
Actually gonna make a move.
Just too much damage.
Make success.
It'll easily be able to finish him off as long as he doesn't die tonight, Fallmere.
The air is also cutting over though, push whack lands.
It almost seemed like Knackfall was just gonna kill him outright.
But either way, the help doesn't hurt.
Tough matchup of strength, are you just getting hit over and over and over?
Just cool frenzy.
Is it on the chase down?
Nothing to say, he got the bullplot around, so he's gonna be up in the resources.
We may actually see a situation where he has a chance to kill them or not.
He's hot in here, especially if you roam in with one of these supports and just throw out an extra nuke.
Dot XG's usual M.O.
I don't think Lornaud is really gonna expect to hear it.
Did buy early raindrop.
Try and deal with some of this spell spam.
NTS get a better one though.
39?
233, nice start, man.
Mixed XS comes back to lane immediately threatened by the three heroes.
As long as the Mars is doing okay.
Oh, he's chilling.
Bad chilling up here.
No pressure.
According to WSD,
they just straight up won this Mars.
How does that possible? It's a kez lane against Mars, and it's a 2v1 where they have a ringmaster.
Got the equilibrium back super early, didn't burn through a lot of resources, got that kill with the nice like level 2 or 3 timing.
Who do I think was strong on this lane?
I don't think he actually really got as aggressive as they should have early either.
They're playing this lane a little passive.
It's gonna be caught midway through his orb, toss him the air alongside the whip.
Uh, Dagger doesn't land, but they hit him with the disruption.
He's gonna have an orb up though, he should be fine here.
Is it just mirrored to the whip not disable him at all?
Well if that thing were if you hit him in the air, it's running while he's coming down.
Yeah.
It looked a little...
I mean, it was like a max channel whip, so I expected it to last a little bit longer.
What whip does whip have as the axis?
What, um, no way right there. I think it landed everything.
Is it level 1 whip?
It's only point-figure.
Man, oh, don't wonder.
I didn't realize it was not the most powerful loop there.
You also had a raindrop on fuck-block for all the damage.
Yeah, the damage is really high on the web, it does 180 damage level 1 if it's maxed out,
but the fear duration is not that long.
Well, it used to be very cozy stuff here in Burrbara.
Not a huge amount of pressure going into that.
Yeah, I got rid of this fear.
I swear you have these two support that are not the greatest of them due to Titanium.
They're just not really offering that much follow-up.
Something could have died at WSG!
Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
The Bushwick lands, they definitely would have got the kill there as WS was ready to go with the arena.
He's still faring by up here only because he just never got that aggressive action going.
We'll play lane for Malora.
Well, here's Nightfall going into enemy triangle here scouting out some center action looking
for the...
The Gorse Storm!
Ancient Thunder High!
There it is!
Oh, there it is!
And he's saying something, he's real animated.
Let's go for nothing to say over anybody else.
Hit them with the slam first, down the Gorse Storm damage over time.
Make sure it works, nothing to say.
Oh, that looked pretty solid.
Yeah, I think Gorse Storm is pretty decent fast, to be honest.
Wrenching your opponents in blood.
Classic.
It also buffed it when I...
I remember when it first came out, I tried it.
Didn't work so well.
I mean, it was effectively a 4-inch damage nuke.
It's not too bad.
You get the boost speed, you get effective HP because you're hidden in the creep, and then you get some damage.
For a hero that usually lacks in damage early on.
Yeah, and wasn't too strong at making moves.
I don't think it's a move of a lot of older versions of Vice Gear would've made.
Oh yeah.
No.
So that gives you play options here to take advantage of the fact that you're sitting in this empty lane.
It's a nice little rotation.
Shutdown's Tiny, he was winning the lane.
Helps the puck get a little more speed.
Cool little move.
Well played, well played, then.
Very tough hero for actually rotating into it.
They've burned the Tiny bottom.
What are you expecting to get here?
Yeah, you're walking into a life stealer lane. That's like the...
Yeah, there's nothing for you here.
Unless you're really willing to bring numbers like Rotate-Kesu-The-Gate, which is the warmest guy.
He's gonna run into you.
He's ready to go storm it up.
X6S, really aggressive, goes to hit the tower, just immediately dies.
What was that? Now the puck is gonna show up for an extra kill.
I feel like it's going to go rather easily, frankly I think Extreme Gaming is lucky to get out with only two deaths there.
As if the orb had gone the right direction, he might have found an even bigger coil.
I'm not sure why they were trying to force that so aggressively, I think they're disrespected here right now.
Yeah, especially what it can do with a star like this in a game like this where you just don't have that many spells to throw into a lifesteal.
I understand going down to this guy, trying to push him off the way straight, but tiny
centaur, it's not happening.
There's just no way.
This is the wrong lane to attack in my mind, I think XG either had to go mid and find those
little niche kills on the puck, or you could have gone and just gank this Mars top a couple
times, except at this point WS is so far, he's not an easy target either.
I feel like you missed the early windows here if you're actually not uncommon for
than they do play a slower game.
Yeah, the number of times that I heard you say,
I feel like extreme to miss the window here.
I've come to expect it at this point.
I'm just, it's not their wheelhouse,
they're not going to play forward.
Especially some of the games we've seen in this event,
they've lost to me in these early games.
Real, real bad.
That shaker game for NTS was
one of the biggest slap-de-eens I've ever seen.
Yeah.
xxs just constantly under assault somebody saved this man
well that didn't save me no it didn't it set up the ice path now the infest hits
is gonna stamp eat away the gore storm and the blood grenade are not gonna be
enough to kill him stamp eating away from that boy half half so in that
way get me out of here please sir no more disruptions my fault shows up a
a little bit late to tank the tower hits for the siege wagon.
We had a chance here to take this tower.
We'll probably still die eventually, they do have a jacquero.
Why didn't they do that success?
Dude, what did I...
What did he leave that creep?
Mercy.
Why?
Now the camps just
He could have killed that creep if he's gonna come back and dominate
I'm but why would he because he wants to get away from the life stealer. Hey once uh, once her key
Okay, a little repositioning. I
doubt it
No, he still keeps the center. Okay. Well, none of that means
Extreme gaming not making sense the early game is
They do blink on Tiny, the little kill combo is up, and 3 points in disseminate, starting
to get some damage on him.
There'll be a tough game to find those pickoffs, you're looking at supports or puck mostly,
tough targets to run out here.
So it definitely could be a much slower game for XUZE to try and farm up, cause...
Production, are you keeping track of Brian is currently doing his trick shot attempts?
He's got a whole bouncing system set up.
I'm sure they're on it.
Radeon's getting done for a nightfall here.
Yeah, when he gets that, Arora's lineup looks insanely hard to fight into.
early blink daggers going to spear back xxs they hate this guy god damn I you I
would expect this kind of pressure to go to the Kes lane but they just keep
going to life steal a lane and killing centaur over and over again easy money
now he's gonna pick up his radiance on the other side of the map he says now
is the time to leave the safe lane now's the time to take the safe lane
tower. Secures wisdom shrine as well in a way just having your presence here.
Well definitely going to see this Kez lightsaber matchup in full. Both these
heroes are kind of free early here. Lightsaber has found a lot more, done more
for his team, found more kills. The Kez is higher level and he just kind of
sat on lane, soaked up a lot of soul exp. Any way the battle fury build, the
greedier build, more army build, so that should pay off.
Cowery tried to hold the safe lane.
Immediately dies to the blink dagger. Come back though. Disruption, but there's still
Quail on the other side and Lord of...
They'll run down nothing to say once again.
The hardest point of attack on... Oh, got a Rean on two on top of that one.
Spear back will hit the ringmaster. See if you think you can kill Axe XS as well.
Got him down to half HP already. No stampede.
Look at the puck though going for the back line goes for f y f y definitely gonna die here
X X Zaster out of my three heroes playing underneath the tower, but nobody can really help them you know what?
What what killed to the tree?
Got pulled out of it
Wow, I still I think oh
God's yeah, that's you got a beaut. Oh, I didn't see that
I'll get up real quick. He got speared
This spear was still overlapping with the bushwhack which you gotta remember when spear ends up
Oh, yeah, it like lets you go, right?
Nice fight for Aurora.
A lot of this starts with XG attacking here.
I get invited into the wrong part of the map to attack in some sense.
You know the lifestriller is not here which makes it better.
You just thought of the heroes to make this kind of play under tier one market punchline.
There's just no way.
Your Synthar's offering nothing at this point in the game.
You went Dominator. Dominator's just a farming material. So what's he really doing in this kind of fight?
There's his impact. You can stop it dude. Stop it. It's just not even close to what this Mars is bringing to the table.
I'm surprised that she's forcing that kind of go.
You have a battle theory cat's farm here. You have a Dominator centaur.
You should be looking for the quick pick-off at the tiny around the power
rooms around the river not under these tier ones deep in enemy territory we're
gonna get turned around on and punished. Well, my foe's gonna have armlet radiance
at like 16 17 minutes. He's a big boy. They won that fight without him to ultra
kill for the puck. So he's very farmed as is the Mars. Extreme gaming almost feels like
they're just not playing to their strengths. Well they're gonna do it now because after
a couple failed moves they're not gonna keep pushing them. Definitely gonna be sad for
NTS the most here. Hey, hip fly got the tower though. We get there in the end.
Shatter to you and push.
I'm not gonna lie, bro. That sounds incredibly optimist.
All I hear is that, I think it'll take like 20 tries.
Ha ha ha.
He's apparently looking like a game that's just gonna come down to Haumang
Whenever he comes online, he's ready to fight.
Tossing over the hoodwink into the rest of the team,
on top of the wheel, they've gotten the hit and the ties
on the Mars.
The arena is making these really awkward, though.
They try and use the stampede to help some of these heroes
get away, but coiled up, almost lose the life.
Fy ends up going down.
Aume now turns with a raptor dance.
Pushback by the spear, though.
It is immediately stunned.
Can he grappling claw his way out of here?
Is there any way?
He tried to jump after WS grappling
claws on top and finished the bottle.
The toss over to the side there didn't hit the avalanche.
Aume still on the run.
Nightfall and Lorena, if we're going to call it quits here, what a fight for extreme.
I set up to do a casual disruption to get people into position, be able to find a nice avalanche toss on multiple heroes,
disjoint the impact Mars can have on that arena because he's getting stunned, then hypnotized into the wheel.
No spear went off.
WS just getting controlled for a huge chunk of that and finally able to bring this super high level kezin.
I mean, he's level 15 now after that fight.
Am I doing some true solo leveling on this one?
That's fair to say.
That was not...
It was pun intended, Oz.
That was not the anime reference I expected.
I didn't expect any anime reference to come out of your mouth.
I'm a man of all media.
Do you watch anime?
No.
Okay.
That doesn't mean I can't reference it.
Yeah, that's fine.
I can't follow it.
I can't appreciate the cultural impact.
Well, you can't.
You can't.
Okay.
the cultural impact without speaking of it is I don't think that's real
appreciation here comes on me should clean up mirrors he's gonna take out to
the Kazarai katana Lauren off his back with a shield room this time around and
he'll easily pick all his spear back nice grab there on the kez unfortunately
no immediate damage from there is the ice bath though but now with the pipe
being used he's gonna be fine arena goes down the Mars is holding back the
horde that is extreme gaming as they were winning this fight yet again it
They won't be able to chase after more, but they will take the two for one.
He was getting weirder for Aurora.
I feel these fights should be going better for them with the strength of this lifestealer.
It doesn't feel like they're really using it.
I don't feel, yeah, the fights do not revolve around the lifestealer the way they should.
He just kind of shows up and then...
He can't influence it enough to swing it back the way it is.
Having way more impact.
Which is funny because I would have guessed it was the other way around with the start Nightfall has had,
has had but some of these kez is 4 and 0 level 60 now do some work just with
battle for joining the fights chop it some of these heroes up and then you got
these two other beefy boys a lot of HP to get through are you really that
surprise though kez how do you get better bigger impact in a little
like you know I thought you meant because it's all met
No, I'm not entirely the hero.
How are we killing FY? FY does get the shard off his Team Duty Tormenter.
I mean, his is like literally one of the oldest carries, and he's had some updates to his skill set,
but he is kind of, you know, still a Warcraft 3 relic I think in some ways.
versus the newfangled invoker on crack carry.
Yeah, there's some dichotomy here for sure.
Kez is the true valve of omination.
White Stealer is still Warcraft 3 cool.
I hit in trees and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit and hit.
Do not have any spells to stop heroes from teeping away.
Got my Basher at some point. He's going to the axe, so he's going to try and hop into Kez.
And rather early, Kez. I thought this would have been after Basher?
The only thing I might not like about this is Kez is super mobile, and if you hop in this Kez,
it might take you somewhere you don't want to go.
Sometimes the Kez would this nice.
I feel like Kez always takes me somewhere I don't want to go.
Well that's between you and him, brother.
Going back for Crimson Guard A, soon, for XXS.
Oh yeah, full Aurora bot on the Centaur this game, and next year in a tank up, there's a lot of flat nuke damage in this Aurora.
That is going to have trouble breaking through this ball in the mid-game.
So that's where I'm concerned for them. They have some scale with the fucking Life Stealer.
Just this 25-35 minute period where the Centaur has Aurora's.
You have a disruption behind them. You have Gloomer Cape. You're going to have a Solar Crest.
You're going to have a scape act, and then you have just two of the highest strength gains
in Dota between Centaur and Tiny at 4 and 4.2.
This is a lot of HP to chunk through in the fight.
And Life Stealer is not doing the most first damage of most carries.
Kind of a carry that wants to exist in the fight for a long time.
And just get the job done with the Radiance Burn, cool frenzy, hitting people with
This extra moves be tacky.
God, I just don't see him chunking through this.
He's not a Sven, he's not a TA type of hero.
He is not Kes.
He's not Kes.
Have to take smart fights.
You're a warrior.
Try and find the back line early.
Make good use of the coil and arena.
Especially the blood support.
You can lock down one of these courses at the start, then they won't be able to stamp
Peter away.
There's a BKB on this Tiny though.
BKB on Kes.
Hold on.
BKB timing is going to be rough for Aurora.
They're going to need initiation.
It feels like they always have to start the fights.
If Tiny gets a chance to start the fights, I don't feel it's likely to be good.
And even if they do start the fights, there's still the save mechanism that extreme
getting happen if they can get on top of those saves early on like they are here
at the line gets pinned up nice pops away from nothing to say though there's
three saves on this team
you're gonna need more control absolutely probably no fire some point
this game our hexes as a gate that should work yeah actually get nothing
off of that. Five man move, yields zero and now XG get to make a move in return.
Crimson has done for the Centaur's flying out, will not be here for this exact smoke fight.
Now Rora didn't use any big spells in that attempt to dink but they are gonna be caught out of
position here Kauri the first to die. Is that just Rosh? Is it that simple for XG?
I think so. Your smoke fails, we just go run the exact same play, get the support kill
I need to be objective.
Yeah, they already feel good about their double BKB timing to save the numbers advantage too.
I think you have to fight this Juroir.
Okay, nothing to say. I think they know he's here. They know he's here, but they missed the spear.
They hit him with a God's Rebut, though, now with a follow-up bush flag.
If they could just kill this tiny at the start, he's gonna BKB take it away.
They do have a coil-off on the Shadowed even though.
Maybe they could kill him. Glimmercade protects him for a little while.
He actually, the Monarch purges up the puck.
Got the arena on him.
He's gonna be speared back. The pipe is seriously saving him.
Now the wheel catches three! That is gonna be nasty!
FY is still running out of here.
While Aume is dicing up Mera.
Mera's not gonna last long like FY did, who managed to run his way out of here.
Okay, WS finally hunts him down.
Oh, the toss-up whip kills Lornoff!
So the trade-offs are just not here for extreme whatsoever.
And this TP, it won't make it.
The Shogosai Bash stops him three for one.
They bought the Chikiro too. That's kind of like a four for one.
Economically, just so tanky, so many staves in this line-up.
Everybody night falls trying to go chase down.
Each can't finish them all.
There's a pipe in that fight, there's Nampy, there's this game back.
Beautiful support gameplay there, especially from Exnova.
I think Exnova landed every spell in that fight on the dock.
Like that wheel just completely collapses this entire kill attempt from Aurora.
Look at how hard it was to kill that fly, man.
Oh.
The carry is hitting him, but he got the re-core wheel.
I don't see that every day.
It's gonna be heroes like this that are supposed to be good at playing through the play.
It takes Amé a while to get the squirrel here.
He has time to do it.
Then he can just kind of choose the next victim.
He's like, you know, I ain't got time for you to like, oh, I got all the people to kill.
Who's a little unlucky?
I think the rage is like one second on cooldown.
Smart play from Ame there, pops the Ravens veil to quickly get the mark on him to guarantee
the bash on the Shorosah.
Did pop the shiny again.
Doesn't that get nightfall in a row?
Kauri also, he also TP away.
Is it you're going to TP away?
I'll also TP away.
To nightfall in front of nightfall.
That is every player's dream.
It's going to go AC, BKB, E really?
I don't know.
They're higher damage builds for life stealer?
I feel like we need more damage out of them.
Bloodthorn, Abyssal, Nullifier, Daedalus, MkB.
What happened to a Deso life stealer?
That was an old split build.
Why is that not the builds anymore?
I don't know if you will want to play this hero like that.
Maybe that's how it should be played.
I mean, that's not the exact item.
Something like that just run around snowball the game of views thoroughly confess
I could see it be good in some scenarios, especially against low armor and cores which
technically was
Here's 29 armor
He's got an eagle song for some agility he's got manta for some agility agility treads
But he's buried without all that agility that is still a ton of arm
He has very high starting base armor.
I believe it is the second highest behind the Hero Blade.
Okay, in terms of carries.
The Hero Blade starts with 8.8.
No wonder Trading with this hero is terrible.
Because he already has Kazurai Katana.
I know he starts with 5.5, but I feel like he cramps up really quick.
I think that 5.5 doesn't count the agility, right?
Like, I think that's his base armor, and then you also...
Also, yeah, I thought he had higher base armor, though
Yeah
I can test it out for you real quick. I got you
If you want a ball update Neil is currently trying to bounce the ball off of the disco ball, which is extremely
Optimistic. I'll never get that.
No, he's- he's sort of on high armor.
Well, foil from the war, and I'll catch something. He did go with an old fire here.
So we're definitely gonna try to find what they need in this game.
It's still infested here on the Mars. You can look for another jump light, just find on it.
He finished Butterfly. This would be a sweet grab.
Really hard to do this during nighttime though.
A spot shadow poison going out, FYI somewhere around here, they can't find him.
Doesn't work.
Would have been really nice to force a fight while there was no ringmaster.
Still this Rosh available too.
Next you just protect their higher.
So this kind of defends against that smoke plate and the potential Rosh on.
Lose the Senthar Courier however, that was...
Played male finishing Lotus Lord for X-Rex's success.
Big item to lose on the map for a little bit here.
As Ames says, enough is enough.
If you will not fight me, I'll fight the big man.
I will take his goodies.
Always nice when you've got to carry a kind of solo of 5,000.
Because right Katana DPS will do that.
It's a little alpha buff as well.
Come on, that worked.
Failed the grapple.
Nobody saw that.
Don't worry about it.
Definitely won't replay that.
So Kes has the third highest starting agility, and he is in the top ten for agility game.
A true carry.
He is a purge.
are pretty fast you know the highest agility game in the game is yeah I will tell you it's a trick
question oh it's yeah it's longer yeah it's his spirit bear yeah that's not really a real hero
Because like he's basically getting inflated that comes with a real bear. Yeah, so I don't know if that's
Second is tarraplated at four for agility game
Terrelates the real hatching bear does not count there is just bear spare bear does get 4.5
Your bear
Has no ability of speech
Well the other does Phoenix
Of course he extols.
He just chooses not to say anything.
He's on the high ground with his smoke.
They spot the Kez, but they don't want to go on him
because he's got the saving supports behind him and an Aegis.
They want something better. What is that something?
You're just killing the back line?
Finding supports.
Getting all the way around. I mean, WS is getting close to that.
If you were to blink forward, you would find it.
Sponsor FY goes for him. He's already glimmered, though.
He's stamping him away. What was that reaction from FY?
Where was the spear?
Holy crap, he demonic cleanses himself.
They are all in to try and kill this guy.
He's glimmered up in two more seconds.
His heel is already gone, Jeff.
This is insane commitment.
What is going on?
Where's the coil him on tier three?
Yeah, where's half?
What?
They're trying to spear him back.
They can't kill this guy.
Where?
How is there no punish on this play?
I guess no TVs or what?
Next year, just there's a loss.
They're like, wait.
Wait, that's why I didn't die for once.
I have one, I guess we have to fight!
They just, I think they just assumed he was speeding again.
Is, is Aume close to an item?
It seemed like he was just like, I don't know.
No, not really.
Okay.
I think that should have 100% been a fight.
They have Aegis.
He can get there.
They all can get there.
Yeah, I guess he can have TP.
I mean, he didn't have TP, but Kez is incredibly mobile.
Like, he can make it from mid lane to top.
The way that went.
The thing is they'd have to start running at the exact start of that,
and her call was probably, we can't get there, just let him die.
I guess I kind of understand if that just looks hilarious.
Ha ha ha ha, that really was a fly, what the hell?
He is the one.
It's not on.
Avalanche, stop, Kauri, trying to get through the gate.
Apparently there was a wolf on the other side.
How the fuck two?
Oh, I mean, how many is gonna get there on the other side of him?
is, is, Lornoff, he's gonna get silenced, bashed up, bashed up, he shuttles side, just keeps on hitting him, keeps on proc-ing,
and blinks straight ahead, what there is on me.
Really well positioned, he knew Lornoff could only blink straight forward.
Oh, he was on the dot, that's 8-0 for this kez.
Just took this game over.
I feel, I kinda feel bad for Pipeball, I feel like he's just on the creep version of this hero.
Yeah, he's the, he's the spirit man of the game.
He doesn't have crazy fangled abilities.
This is like the whole 2000 computer versus the new technology.
Well, I can't have that much too.
much than the thing.
The Roars did let them have cats.
Love the cats players that we've seen, who do you think is the best?
Only that reddit guy.
Okay, let's not talk about it.
Here's a really funny story arc though, I don't know how it's going.
I'm tuned in, man.
I'm sure the players here are dreamy.
I think Mika has made a pretty good argument.
I think Mika's chasm could be because of how much the play.
I don't know if I was sure he was the best individually.
He might be though. I think there's a solid argument there.
I think it's too early to tell.
Heritage had a really pop-off game, wasn't it?
He did, am I remembering that?
I mean, I think a lot of care players have had very impressive single-leaders on the hero.
But I haven't really seen anybody who's convinced me that this guy is a Caz player.
I mean, in the mid-case, probably the closest.
I think it's too early in the hero's lifespan to make those kind of calls, you know?
You have damage tiny with Alphulf, or behind the team here.
They also got the shatter demon aggs, don't hurt him.
They just enter on the front lines. Oh, they tried to spear him back, but...
That damn pillar in the middle of the wisdom trying to have the toss in front enough to just say he's demolishing the back lines while the kez is trying to demolish the front lines.
That infest is only going to last so long when he comes out, where is Nifol going to go?
He's going to be stomped up, he's going to be whipped, he's going to be bashed, he's going to be dead.
That's probably just the game. I think that was the last fight you had to try and turn this one around if you were...
This is just impossible.
The heroes are so tanky, there's double save, it takes the pucks so long to kill a single hero.
Dude, all the saves are key.
You can't open the fight up, and the lifestealers are not doing that damage.
I think Radiance never hurt this hero a lot, I think the nerf to Beast,
Corpseeter hurt this hero a lot when he was in Prime,
And this carry matchup is just not even close. Like, Kha'Zix got carried to hero.
I don't care if it's supposed to be hero.
Different class of heroes.
Also, I mean, I feel like the carries that we've seen successfully beat Kha'Zix and the one-on-one, not just like overall.
It's usually been the burst damage, right?
I feel like Dears has been moderately successful, the Sven has been...
...he's ahead, he can do okay.
Nice double spear.
The slow damage to Lifestealer does not speak to me as a chance answer.
He dies immediately, and what is that damage?
Did get broken by this.
Lornoff got the backlight, looking nothing this day!
He was sitting there, invisible, and the puck jumps right into him.
They almost burst him down just through the combo.
Lornoff's still going though, they got him inside the arena.
They'll finish off the two supports.
Now what?
Can they kill some koi here? Can they hunt them down?
Or are they all just gonna TP or run away?
There are so many nightfalls in this game.
I'm not talking about the player.
Yeah.
It's been brutal to watch.
I wonder if Nightfall ever sits there and is like,
I knew this shit was broken.
Well, it is broken if you play Life Stealer.
That's true. He has the built-in Nightfall.
That's the next level.
We haven't seen it though.
I mean, I think people lose their minds if you just ran in a fight, rage, TP out.
What do you think about it, though?
It would make a legend for himself.
That's true.
He did a fine legacy.
Like just one moment, one play, you would live in infamy for the rest of Dota 2's
time.
You can always tell his kids, you know.
20 years from now, what'll you be remembered for in Dota?
I'll tell you, Nightfall, he's going to be remembered.
Don't be saying his name, I guess they hear your name?
Maybe, y'all probably not, probably not, but this guy?
Ah man, it's level 25, damage.
Well, it was already there, and now it's been doubled.
The brakes are just brutal for the Mars, every time he goes in, he gets into the broken, just chopped up pieces.
He's just looking to go what the hell is that smash bashing fest glimmer cape that'll help him out on a effectively
Okay, BKB used so something. I don't know if he minds too much because yes, they can't cut this plan with all the safe behind him
If the bars gets broken there, he's probably just dead
Here comes nothing to say there is essentially there, but he still blinks in anyway
Got the toss up on Mira trying to blow him up like he's done so many times in the past glimmer tape
Just manage to keep him alive. Kari dies inside, Irina goes out, Ome pops the raptor, Damsin, Nightfall. Can't really just stick to these heroes
the way he wants to. He actually has to back down. It's so sad.
The way XG supports are watching these fights, like Fyze was sitting there and he pumped fake the disruptions like,
do I have to save you? Oh, no. Okay, you're just chilling. Do I have to save you? No, still don't have to save you.
Like, there's only a save.
They never need him.
Yeah, the most action they get is when they're being hunted down.
But they never actually have to do the job of saving the heroes.
Silence real quick. Stopping the stomp with a Divine Rapier on the pot.
This is pretty much all in at this point in time.
Lornoff has got to get something crazy done to you.
He does get spirit up, he does get stomped.
Okay, there it goes.
That's the end of the game right there.
He got cast. He got cast hard.
X-XX didn't even need to pick up the Divine Rapier in his scramble.
He just left it on the ground.
Come collect, come grab your item.
Oh nice little net worth delivery for Amé there at the end of the game.
He will end 14-0 and 1.
Amé Monquez, he does not get a step and gets kills.
He has a very clean game.
So, slowish start correction.
You little worry there with how the lights go moving around
because it's a little more empty, but then they just roll cover.
This lineup just looked unbeatable.
But I don't know where your damage is supposed to come from on the side of the war unless the place here is 4 or 5
10 hours ahead of you.
Completely running people over like a war kid or something. That's kind of what it felt like in the end.
Needed some way more aggressive item build. This Radiance adds armlet. It's just
nowhere close to the DPS this Kez is doing. With a battle theory, Manta like that's all I needed.
He's just chopping people up. I feel like I'm watching these fights. I'm watching lifestyle chase people
for 10 minutes and he ends up getting one support and then in all the times happening
all they just dicing up one support, dicing up another, killing your Mars, people are getting
broken. It just takes way too long for a war to stick on the targets in this game. I kind
of like to actually draft. I was a little unsure about it when we started, like looking
at it on paper but the more I watched the game I feel like that was just a straight
out draft. Like, yeah you have blood support, yeah you have puck with coil sounds, but
There's Stampede, there's Disruptive, there's this Gateback, there's Tiny Toss.
Four stages line up behind a Kez.
Sounds pretty good to me.
Yep, Kez, Ame, 14-0 and 1.
Man, just carried the game.
And he may be one of the few players to be able to do it because for the past few days,
we've been seeing Kez lose quite a bit, but then Ame started turning it around.
He already picked it yesterday, and then if Falcons also picked it, he gotta win with it.
And now, Ame gets another win with it.
So after a 6-game loss streak on the hero, Aume comes back,
reclaims the crown of King Kev's, and shows how it's done.
Good job to Extreme Gaming, because I was losing faith in the hero,
but FB proves the adage that you've stepped time and time again.
If Aume's having a good time, then Extreme's having a good time.
Exactly. And you can always see how much Aume feels himself when he plays this hero.
You know, he is fascinated with the backlight.
I think poor Mira had such a rough game on this hoodwink, just because Aume had it out for him, like every single fight.
He just started with the zone or the pick-off on the hoodwink into extreme gaming, just popping off.
But Aume is an OG cast player. He was one of the first people to release that unlearned this hero.
And in his hands, it looks like a different beast.
Like you said, we've had some really bad cast performances in this tournament, especially in group stage 2,
but Aume did not contribute to that at all. He makes the hero look amazing, by the way.
Yeah, Syrra does it all. We were talking about a backstage. What does he not have?
He has Enviz, a bit of a Satanic without the item. He has burst damage. He has damage over time.
He has gap close escape. I might have already said escape.
Well, he has like three different escape.
And he has farm mechanic.
He does have farm mechanic.
He's basically like a PA Slark with a farm mechanic.
And a silence and a bash.
I don't know. Life steals him up to full health.
He has trouble. He can press up.
Built in Satanic, built in Bashur, built in Force Staff.
I was complaining about this Samira, I said, but I feel like both Kez and Largo have too many fucking tools.
Because Largo should not be able to do as much damage as he does whilst also healing everybody and making everyone quicker and removing too much shit.
We're not buying the hero. This isn't League of Legends. You don't need us to part with our money.
We're not gonna be like well I'm not happy now because this update you give me has a hero that I spent 20 pounds of logger
Way isn't he busted? No, he comes with a game. So he doesn't need to be fucking broken. No, he's here to be broken
That's just my brand of the day see valve is trying to juggle all these abilities and instead
Oh, let's just put them all in one box much like Brian's trick shots
Which we've heard a lot about yeah, but it's
Proving that not every single team can make this here look good
Yeah, that's the thing is that Kaz has had some bad performances, so I do feel like there
are some players that just played the hero better, and it's not a hero that's fully mastered
yet, and maybe it's being forced into play by carry players that haven't had enough reps
on it, and you really can see the difference between Almey playing it and other players.
Obviously, take Mika out of the equation, he was also one of the OG Kaz players, but
they really are on a different league, and it feels like another team could have had
the same draft and not had this because performance so we do have to give Ame his kudos here and if
we're talking about carries i do think that lifestealer also had a free game we talked about
it it was a great pick and it really speaks to the sorry state of lifestealer right now
that he could have that free of a game die no times but just not get that much done he just
got ignored in these team fights yeah built in bkb and built in invulnerability that's not enough
not enough two items power creep of dodas not enough my boy lifestealer and shambles he needs
a few more. All right then Brian during this game number one do you have any
moments that caught your eye? Yeah absolutely Neil as I'm all about the one
shot one opportunity mom spaghetti there were crucial deciding moments that
happened during this game as it's all about the approach it's all about the
angle in which you take to hit your final shot here Neil as watch this
Watch this approach, watch this, flawless bounce, bounce, and nothing but net.
Look at that execution, we even have some spectators on the left, we have Neil on the left.
Absolutely flawless, beautiful stuff.
Bryan I'm talking about the game, with any moment from the game that caught your eye.
Oh of course Neil, as we were talking about Aurora versus X-Dree, I've got the difficulty of Aurora
They're killing anybody in this game past like the 20-minute mark as this is nothing to say
Just BKB teeping out doing the nightfall in the middle of night in the front of nightfall space in the middle of a team fight
Then they use their other ultimate on the shadow demon and they're gonna use another ultimate on shadow demon
Look at this. They can't kill anybody in arena the crimson the pipe
I talked about long fights and I thought they favored Aurora
But absolutely not as Amé's insane damage taking out Mira as Mira on our panel was mentioning
That's just not very nice to the squirrel back there.
And it just felt like nobody on the side of XG would ever die in this game.
And every time they found an Aurora hero slightly out of position,
they just got absolutely exploded.
And of course, Kez kind of has the same thing that Largo has,
which you can just chase you wherever you go at the end of a fight.
And that was just kind of the name of the game,
how difficult it was for Aurora to kill anybody and just how seemingly easy it was.
I may actually just walked past Nightfall in that fight.
Like he was walking, he just went, yeah.
I don't care about you, just gotta go kill this Moss. It's pretty cold.
They give him a Medusa treatment.
Yeah, that is effectively the Medusa treatment.
But Nightfall does this on every hero, right?
Where he's like an Abaddon, he's like a Medusa, he's like a lifestealer.
The only hero he doesn't do this on, I feel like Sven.
Every other hero Nightfall plays has an insane survivability mechanic
that he eventually buys like a refresher or,
and for lifestealer it's kind of like the Ags,
which just lets you play really long fights.
And I thought that that was a good approach to the Shattered Demon plus Ringmaster, but I guess when I look at it,
their entire lineup was enablers, like Lifestealer enables long fights, Puck enables long fights, Mars like can play long fights,
but he usually we see like Mars SF where you arena them and one guy just does all the damage and Mira was pretty much the only guy to do that.
And we saw what Aume was doing. So the Mira.
The thing is, I do feel like their draft could have worked.
I don't think there was a draft issue at all for Aurora.
It was quite strong, but extreme gaming just counterplayed the Mars so well when it really mattered.
Like, there were a couple of key moments where, like, WS was going into sort of fight,
like, early on when Aurora was still leading in mudworth, and then he instantly gets
Adatossed by nothing to say before he casts the arena.
So then they just kill him.
Like, the arena comes out at the very end as Mars is dying,
and Aurora can't take advantage of that.
and then suddenly they had this pipe and they were just pressing pipes every time he pressed arena
and they were making it like they're bold to find this Mars and make his job difficult
so they just counterplayed him the entire game and he was a really key factor to winning these fights
there's also the in the fight you showed there's this beautiful like three-man
wheel of wonder from ringmaster after Mars presses arena and nobody's doing damage
it just felt like the the backline supports for xg could kind of just hold their spells until
So they were absolutely perfectly tied in and then they then they capitalized extreme gaming trying to prove that they take an even higher
Placement than this season 27. Let's see if they can make it a reality as we get into game number two
I
Don't be cheap, don't come for free, huh?
Don't have to eat like an oven, baby, give me that love
And they need one to lose control
Go in the beast, stop pumping in the party, get jumping there
Party, get on the floor
Say if you lose your mind, then use your crew
Then you know that you're doing it right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got something to age in my life
Just give me the beat
I just want you, I'm free
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat, I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, I don't want to step in your toes when I see you moving
I don't want to let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
I just want to make you laugh, want to do it for your amusement
Like an oven baby give me that oven and you wanna use control
Go in the beast, stop pumping in the party, get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool, then you know what you're doing right
And if you ain't in the mood I'll tell you what to do, got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
I just want to move my finger, yeah
Just give me the beat, just give me the beat
Just gonna be
I've been wasting my time, feeling lonely
But that's the way that I am, with all the love that you, my love
Everyone can get what they could, I want to walk
I'm not only busy, I'm also busy, too
I'm not alone, I'm all I ever think
Changes, some light turns into love
My day makes a lot of changes
Waiting to fall for you tonight
Let's try it so hard to find
It's so hard to find
Let's try it so hard to find
Let's say it's so hard to find
It's so unspecial
We're walking spinning around
With our one-out eyes
One-out
Every morning you get
A big group of one-two
I
Now it is the
What do you feel is to me?
Oh, I know what it's worth it
Change your life, change your soul
Like John Chantana
In the future
Change your life, change your way
To the point where you're too new
What do you feel is to me?
Let the music stand as we can
We'll share our secrets
Ah, that's caramel.
That's caramel.
That's a little bit more like a light-stooler pick.
Not quite.
We're getting closer though.
Okay, maybe a little bit like a like a jikiro
Bows back to the life story. No Kess's nothing
Well, let's hope that Aurora gaming are a little bit better at doing their tricks and hoping that they have more up their sleeve
If they lose this series then they will be eliminated from dream league season at 28
My turn to throw balls at you guys, please
Did you see that one I made?
Did you see the one where he hit me on the head really hard?
Yeah, it wasn't like a one for the video, but it was a little do we have the clip of me hitting 10 with that?
We'll see a production to pull up a tad had ricochet. Whoa. It was really it was really funny
Ted from that distance. Can you see any of the heroes on the screen?
Oh!
More important things are happening right now!
What a trick, Ty.
What a talented gentleman we have on our team.
It's so hard to get the bounce off the iPad.
It is, it is.
Effie, you're my rock. You get one more ricochet, but then you have to break down this draft for me.
Dude, it's tough getting it with the iPod. We tried for a while.
Antonio it's a it's an entire genre of videos. I've contributed at least the
genre than I've done any tasks so far. That is true. The genre of video that we're
covering though is eSports. eSports competitive games. Damn right and you
gotta have a competitive game to make sure you ban up. Cypher games. Keyboard warriors for the
digital age. Digital sports. The finest in e-athletes. E-sleets. Dude we gotta
get you to sponsor one of these mouth companies any chair companies need a
voiceover artist and a trick shotter I got the just a man for this man does it
all he does it all it's kind of like how Largo does it all he gets banned out
along with shout even shadow fiend warlock in Aurora gaming bump up the
tinker band the first phase as well as taking out the bad writer and the
tree protector first pick Phoenix for Kaori no big surprise there and we'll
get an xxs Mars. I want to see if I can hit the cymbal.
Did we get that? The sound? I don't know if we hit the cymbal or not.
Huh
Okay, the coolest trick shot would be if we put the basket up there by the
Drums and then bounced it off the symbol into a basket very hard. That would be the one
What are you aiming for Brian?
Shit it's hard. Okay, so Phoenix
That's the Cary specialty.
Cary specialty.
Keep going, Mera.
Activate your BKB, Mera.
Activate my... I'm raging right now. I'm a life stealer.
That's Ryan, King Bob.
I'm life stealer pre-Mera.
I'm Sniper. I'm just headshotting people.
I'm still a re-Mera.
You won't be starting out.
This is gonna... This is just gonna give them, like, a little bit more comfort
to build off of an extreme game.
They have to take the Mars because they don't want to expend their only bat
afterwards to ban it.
You know what they say?
We'll take it for ourselves.
We've got an excellent Mars player in X-XS,
and now we're seeing a team fight versus team fight.
versus team fight situation being built up in the-
Always fun.
I do love team fight versus team fight drafts.
I know that it may be not the primo, primo,
but it is always entertaining.
Can we get their ringmaster done?
Yeah, actually I'm surprised that ringmaster, yeah,
he gets banned, but a lot of the nightfall heroes
are getting to slip through because in previous game,
extreme gaming dedicated three core bands off the bat,
They pick up Windranger, Razor, and a Baton.
And at this time with them being second pick,
they let Nightfall get a little bit wider pool.
I think that when you have overall second pick,
or like overall last pick,
that giving Nightfall like a more stable carry,
just one of the ones that he's been leaning towards
the whole time, like it enables the draft ball.
It's not as like, you're never gonna be like,
gotcha, we got a Baton.
Sure, you know what I mean?
So I think on first pick, you,
like second pick is more about having
your first two cores be not a liability, and then on first pick it's more about, you know,
punishing the lane matchups that you see because you do get two counter lane matchups, generally.
Mortha!
If that is an army Mortha that we'll add to his already expensive hero pool for this tournament.
The flex is open. If this were to be a carry Mortha, it is great versus Phoenix.
He's one of the better egg hitters in the game.
It's a support march that's a very strong lane with the Mars and it's just
conceptually very good against Phoenix in a support versus support 4 versus 5
trade-off because the calling is very hard to play against on lane as a Phoenix
if you get caught you're caught you can't dive away.
Can you hit the egg while you're in mortality?
Yeah.
You can hit buildings.
You can hit the egg.
Okay.
Egg is not a building, Brian.
Well, ward units are a gray area sometimes and egg is not a building.
Egg is not a building.
I'm not trying to say she can't I just I just didn't know
And because the wind ranger it does not get banned out Aurora gaming you have to pick it up
I'll be getting this second phase, and I have to assume that it's gonna be a nice fall wind ranger
This one's a little bit
Interesting just because like it is such a strong carry to pick early on and the flex is still open
But I mean typically if the lanes suffer and you're playing in some Mars that's leading and you're getting bullwarked
With less net worth that feels terrible for win ranger
Yeah, I mean I
I was playing a lot of win ranger pubs and I felt like the offlaner that was hardest for me to carry the game against was Mars
Just because of him being one of the few heroes that can peel your ulti off of other people
Whether that's by using his bullwork or whether that's by Serena on top of you or the other heroes
So I'm kind of up to go of this one Ranger pick the heroes definitely really strong
But Marta is a hero that you can't reliably focus fire because of her ultimate and then
Mars makes it unreliable to focus fire anyone because of his ultimate
So I'm I'm curious what their thought process is obviously heroes are really strong later
But that's about all I can see out of it right now. I think one of the
The arguments that Quinn or Insania gave is that Morta generally does not like having
to build MKB, and she will probably have to against a carry windranger.
I think it's going to be a merit to support now, like what they've been doing, because
I agree with you that it can be a two-way street in the carry-to-carry matchup, but
if you're building as a support Morta, I feel like your aggs and stuff you throw
on the ground is just very nice against windranger, because she relies on that mobility,
And it's actually hard to navigate around ground stuff when you're really fast, as a hero like
Windranger.
Yeah, and last Dream League Fy was popping off a lot on Myrta, so it is comfortable
for him.
And now this Ember Spirit comes out, which explains the Hoss Carvan, and I guess the
Shaman was picked with the knowledge that a spirit hero would be coming out in this
phase.
But Ember Spirit is one of those that doesn't really care about anything much these days.
Does he care about Viper?
That's my question.
I think they might get Viper pretty hard here.
You said you hate it when Lornoff plays Viper.
I do hate it when he goes boots of travel pipe.
I don't mind if he plays Viper normally.
Not on trying to say like it's abnormal,
but like when he plays Viper for himself
is I guess what I mean because-
If he goes for Viper, do you think that
the four ranged heroes is gonna be okay here?
Like they have nothing to sort of,
they have no front line really if they do that, right?
Like how do they defend the egg if they have like,
They just stand around it, yeah, okay.
They just have a Viper build pipe and travels, of course.
Sure.
They have him teepee in front,
and then back to the pipe.
I mean, I'm not saying I'm like 100% sold in it.
I just, I have been seeing them do this.
Extreme Gaming did get absolutely demolished
by Malrin Viper yesterday.
I'm really hoping he doesn't go some selfless build.
And I think Viper is,
he's kind of like a hybrid of a utility damage dealer,
but I think he has to build for himself.
Well, like maybe you can skip back for like one item that's for the team
But just I think having that like first item aggs or like hurricane pike in this game
Not hurricane pike because he's against disruptor and Mars
But I wouldn't mind if he goes like aggs, you know, BKB then maybe some team items like a she-vils or something
Yeah, that sounds great because extreme gaming drafted with a
desire to
Offset a storm pick right so they have like double silences and their support duo
and an Ember Spirit. And if you're playing in Stable Silences as a Viper, if you just build a VKB,
there's nothing that threatens you. There's no chance of you getting stunned and killed.
Like sure, there's the Mars Arena, but the likelihood of you getting burst in that is very low.
Yeah, it's rare that I recommend Viper's buying VKB, but Disruptor is a support that's
very annoying for Viper. It's really hard to explain why until you've played it.
but like Viper on the map he like W's the wave and walks away like he's very much about being hard to kill early game
Not by his innate tankiness, but by his positioning. So disruptor really really counters that but so I'm thinking I wouldn't even mind if he goes like
Like treads Lance BKB back into Ag's like something like this. I know that gives them like two turrets
Which he's not really a turret though. He's meant to be the guy that walks in and sets up to fight that way
I just think that's how Viper does it
I'm very curious to see which way he builds.
If he goes like the boots of travel pipe or boots of travel crimson, I'm going to be very skeptical of our gaming's
the abilities to win this game.
Is there any offlaner that they could get for WS who
could be the scaler that would justify that kind of Viper build?
That let WS handle the traditional Viper responsibilities?
I just think that Viper's job to help them scale is to stand in front.
That's it.
Which, I don't think Viper buying team items allows him to stand in front, so I think that they need a guy that counter initiates him standing in front.
Um, and so like some meaningful way. I wouldn't have minded Brewmaster because you can kind of like split preemptively and run into the disruptors stuff on the ground.
That's why it gets banned out along with Stensor.
Yeah, I wouldn't have minded that kind of thing.
What about picking something like Axe?
I'm not saying it would be great.
I don't hate it.
I don't like it.
I don't hate something like that.
I would, but it is something.
The only problem is, going in his axe against Disruptor and Wet is bloody miserable.
You're very lucky to get Siles, yeah they go for this.
The big man, the slug.
Well now Viper doesn't have that job anymore.
So now I'm very confused about what his role in the game is.
Because you're not really going to be a reliable damage dealer against heroes like Ember that can get away from you.
Mars who limits your right click.
So my eyes are just going to be on Lornaff.
What does he plan to do in this game?
His lane matchup is really good, but his game matchup doesn't make too much sense to me.
I mean, if you're picking it just to shut down the mid lane, then you can just go to the other lanes afterwards,
try to secure as much of the early game as possible, and then rely on your Windranger.
Like, the concept could be something like that.
Is getting you to the point where the rest of his team can take it over?
Yeah.
Okay, that's fair. They do have really strong scaling supports too.
Oh, they're Roura.
Aurora are expecting an army hero to come out at the end. They are also expecting an Fy more so they ban out the cows and the clanks.
The option for where to carry is still there, but you need a hero that's going to punish the underlord online.
And it's going to be the weaver here.
And weaver is an interesting egg hitter because his dominate attack is very useful versus phoenix.
But when you're like standing vulnerable hitting an egg that leaves you open to getting hexed and to getting chained stunned and tackled.
because Weaver relies on mobility, he's not the type of carry that stands still and just
right clicks. And that's what you have to do to kill the Yank, but if he gets a BKB, it won't matter.
And then how about the carry-to-carry matchup, the Weaver win ranger?
It's, it's like, whenever you're playing a ranged right clicker and you're against like Legion,
Axe, Mars, these three specifically, like they're either taunters or Mars prevents you from
hitting people, I feel like it makes the carry matchup less relevant. Yeah, it's less
relevant it's less one-to-one on paper I would generally say that like Windranger
kills Weaver not the other way around but I think Weaver's gonna have an easier
time in fights than Windranger is so yeah like I said earlier my eyes are on
Lornoff I have no idea what his I think he's going to need to scale I don't
think with the lineups at hand it's like enough for him to get his team if
they're ahead like significantly and nothing to say just has no game then
he doesn't necessarily need to scale but I think extreme displayed really
Well yesterday even though they ended up losing the game that they can come back from like a
catastrophic waiting phase against Falcons
Let me tell you that Falcons series was very exciting
The only thing that I think could have made it more exciting is that there was a crowd to witness that
Cabin Avery, do you know where such a thing could be possible? Oh, I think I do Neil
In fact, I've been asked many times in my career
What events are my favorite what crowds are my favorite and ESL one Birmingham is gotta be by
think the most fun crowd to be a part of so if you're thinking about going by the
ticket because I think there's no good event that really catches the same vibe
and it's because the three by the tickets
he's instructing it into your mind everybody buy tickets about buying
You can spy tickets. If you're not thinking about buying tickets, still buying tickets.
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Welcome back to Game 2 of Extreme Versus Aurora!
We've got the Windranger Carry Persona!
Baaah!
Weaver Carry, we've got a Viper!
Viper returns, yet again with the disgusting...
...Laning that this hero is able to provide is going to be going up against the poor old Emperor Spirit who's going to get beat up in lane.
They did get a D-Ward there.
They did get a D-Ward. That's a good way to start things off.
Really nice.
Or nothing to say here, because I'm a quarter of a level already.
Nothing to say he says it was Map-Hack!
that they got the ward apparently.
Got him.
Always keep your opponents guessing, sometimes by telling them the truth.
We're lying to them.
I kinda like the Weaver pick.
Again, their debate on that last pick is between the Martha and something else.
I do agree with that sentiment.
It's probably Ted sitting on the button again.
And, uh, I think the Weaver is enough to justify it.
I think Martha into Viper can be tough with the attacks being close.
I think I kind of liked it for some of the other match-ups here against the onboard
Could have gone either way weaver gives you a better match against the viper particular the win ranger one
That definitely goes both ways. There's a shaman in this game that can be good against the weaver
And you get shackled bottom. I'll be is just dead
Yep, just gonna be run down. Okay, just dive bubble and hit the shackle right click did not expect that yeah
Yeah, I would say really sad death.
Holy moly.
I also think, I mean, sad for Amé, but I think Lord, I'll play it into...
I don't know, man. Taking that tower shot was not great.
FYI, he's gonna die here. Aurora.
The salvo lanes are going very well.
Out of all the lanes that were gonna go the best, I thought it would not be mid.
Because apparently that is gonna be their salvage lane, so to know.
And this is not gonna be a fun one for nothing to say. He's been throwing to the wolves here.
So, rough start for Extreme Gaming.
Now, with the lineup that wants to get off to a fast pace in the sidelines and kind of
run people down with Disruptor, get the snowball rolling, they're going to be playing from
the back, but back foot here considerably.
I like Aume's Weaver in the late game.
I don't like it with the late game here.
I think that's where he's going to struggle.
of these fights without defensive items or any save in this lineup. This is not a
lineup like the last game where you had two supports to bail you out of stun,
stun chaining, and the damage coming out. If you get shackled by one Ranger or
Shaman, if you get pitted and then that just gets chained into a bunch of damage,
you're just dead in this game. What do you think of the early Moire to
pick up? I think it's fine. It's a flex hero for them. I think their first
Spells are always pretty solid, especially if you can have a nice whole lane combination with it
I mean do you think they they really got that?
Like was the Muerta to Viver exchange
That big of an upgrade to their draft?
I did not feel like the flex potential of this lineup gave them like a gotcha card
You know it's pretty hard to get something crazy out of that last pick. Yeah, it could have Arc Warden there
I'm using Arc Warden, I don't know
If it were Arteezy, maybe he would've been a pretty good R-Coordinate.
I think the Weaver addresses the Viper and the PNX a little bit.
They're worried about this Viper having a very good start against the Ember.
The Weaver can help address them in the game.
So that's kind of the value it gives you here in my opinion.
Yep, Viper loaded.
The Weaver being...
Helmet isn't not going to get that.
That's a tough lane for him.
Do you get better over time with more levels on disruptor and some points in swarm?
And then you can kind of minus armor the Sunderlord and get some damage in?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I was like mid lane going pretty good for NTS.
Got the little boost from the observer ward kill, that helps a lot.
And he's been dragging aggro, playing it pretty well.
Not getting completely zoned with Viper on his field.
Lornoff commits. Lornoff. He wants this kill real badly.
This lane has not been going the best, but if he can get the kill now, it'll all be forgiven.
Ah, that orb watch is so strong.
Good reaver designing there. Similarly, Kauri.
What, last fire spirit? Oh, attacked him! He's gonna die to that!
Beautiful hit from Kauri.
I will say that Viper died.
Is there not a TP support?
I'm pretty sure X-Bowler can just TP there.
Oh, yeah, he has 100%.
What grenade?
It's a nurse strike that's Viper and you get the kill.
You might even save the Ember.
They don't know how that goes.
I think that's the type of opportunity you have to look for.
Bugs turning around, they're gonna fight the Shadow Shaman.
WS, make sure to help get the bug off of Shadow Shaman.
Stream feeling like they can't keep diving for it.
Those are those little types of plays I think actually just can't look for the Phoenix.
And they're not that good at spear guns, but FY's already dead
And they will just barely lack the damage to kill the Phoenix in return.
Oh, this is turning very one-sided very quickly.
5-0 start for Aurora, dominating all three lanes here.
This is gonna be a road to recovery for Extreme Gaming.
They hope to find some traction in the game.
And Aurora, they don't have Lifestealer, so it's looking better for them.
Keeping them more at the mid.
What a tough kill with just these two.
It's gonna be closed, but the TV comes in.
Okay, it's gonna be enough.
Yeah, even with fairy fire there, it's still went down.
That's a fairy fire raindrop Viper with Bracer.
Nice little pickup for F1.
Now they need, they need more little, little opportunities like that.
Oh my god, oh they, they get the Phoenix as well.
This is just gonna be nasty.
Because as it stands, the Ember Spirit is going to have a slul...
I actually don't know. Vipers gonna come back in and still get level 6 before the Ember does.
But if they got the Phoenix, then Ember would have gotten level 6 first, which makes a huge difference.
Well, this is actually striking back here. I thought it was gonna be a little slow, quiet game for them.
Starting to find some kills, but the glimpse on the Ember were bought on trying to...
Let's get again pretty far out of position. He will have to TP away.
Well, that's still value there.
That's free time on the lane.
They're all made out here.
All the attention swings back towards mid for that power rune.
It'll be taken by the Shadow Shaman into the shadows.
Looking for the little flank here.
All the embers to level 5.
This is that level 6 versus level 5 timing.
There it pops out. Gets the grab onto the Muerta. Lord off.
Opting not to use the Viper Strike until it secures the kill.
But that means he doesn't have anything to threaten nothing to say, especially with XSS now coming in.
Level 4, it'll burst down the Viper. Wait, no, understrike! Please don't be that tix about. It does indeed.
But it's still very awkward as the Ember Spirit dies. So will XSS.
One more hit. Gowri's not gonna get it.
Didn't have to dive up.
Unfortunately, that was like less than 10 HP left.
I give Marina that, like, you know, a kick fight with the Marthoon and he just can't offer that much to those Phoenix.
What can I make challenge to WS?
Fighting under fire is pretty difficult, but he's gonna try.
What's the bug on him?
They lost both of here. They went for Aurora.
His nightfall is strong enough to run up there, claim it with the focus fire.
These supports are going to be, they feel like this game, both already level 5, almost, towards their level 6 here.
Early level 6 on this Phoenix is going to be massive.
Looking for more pressure into this top lane, everybody's lingering around here.
Mars is still pretty weak right now without the ult.
There's a fight for strike, survived.
Mira almost getting caught here, but not quite.
Gary coming in from behind.
Maybe Glucelid here?
Yeah, I was about to say, I mean, they have stuns.
They could conceivably catch the Phoenix.
They just want to get six of them ors.
Try not to force anything.
Poweroon is top, and it's a good one.
Mira gonna try and make something happen with it.
He's the best.
I got him good, I guess.
That showed him.
Just let him know he took his room, you know?
This is what you could have had.
I feel like they could have grabbed that fly there, but...
Weird little support dance going on in this top river area.
It feels similar to last game, where Aurora take a lead, knife falls free farming.
He's gonna be able to make moves with this hero.
It's a lot better of a hero for him, better hero in general.
So you're not as much on a clock here. Definitely have more wiggle room to play around with.
You should have a means gate to join you on some of these plays. You have to worry about the clips.
With regards to trying to cobble in on some of these fights.
Nobody stacked. Come on now.
Two heroes there on the ancient camp as it goes to A53. Nobody stacked.
What are we doing?
That's not what Tundra would have done.
Now to dive on X-X-S in extreme just not really like this has been the plan I feel like for the last four minutes.
An extreme opting not to take the fight around that area. I mean if LORNAV is going to make the rotation I guess fair enough.
Not fighting into this guy.
Most of the sheer teamfight is the Marv, so the fact that Aurora is just identifying this as a weak point to continue to abuse it, every time we start on him there is no turnaround potential with this lineup.
And even once they hit the arena now he's going to be like matched by the Supernova in some ways.
Oh yeah, there's a bunch of teamfighting for Aurora squad, they're not afraid of taking 5-on-5s with Egg, Shaman wards, Pit, Gate, put the Viper in the middle of it.
Yeah, Paul is insanely strong, especially around Roshan later on.
He feels as though XG maybe needs to try and find some more kick-offs.
They can get him somehow as you tank another Viper Strike, which just keeps going out.
These other kind of games don't worry about this rupture.
Yeah.
Are you going to be able to find the kind of actions here where he's right now?
Yeah.
I think you're always playing defense.
Your best point of attack is into this Windranger.
Like, the Shrupter's very good against Windranger.
If you can just run at Nightfall, even when he's on the lane, just drag him into a
kinetic field, it's pretty easy to kill him.
You just haven't really looked at this lane at all.
And here's the lane that received the most pressure, the Mars got kicked out.
Creates a lot of buffer room for Nightfall to feel safe staying up there.
It would require Aumei to make that rotation, right?
Like, I think you want to fight around the fight, but they'll shoot you in the meter.
Get you back in. Again, just feels a little uncoordinated there from Extreme.
Like, FY keeps pulling the trigger on Silences where I think he thinks his allies are gonna go on heroes, but they don't.
I'm almost keeping the bars in the bottom if you get to the slopes on a core target.
Well, the boots of travel is just going to mean that the Viper can match the Ember
Spirit around the map.
They just have to give up another tower extreme, just refusing to fight into Aurora.
And if that means giving up tier 1s, then so be it.
It's just a lot to give though.
This league's gonna start to build super fast.
Can't find some sort of action here.
And the Viper to be stopped.
Shaman has been catched though, he's a little low man.
Irina puts the Shadow Shaman inside, so he's just gonna shackle him.
Next success.
He's gonna die to somebody here, it'll be a focus fire from Nightfall.
Not long enough.
Snipes in the last eight.
Took their Lotus.
this. Thanks Nova. Dangerous position to be in. Nothing to say, can he finish off? This
Phoenix underneath the static storm rather easily, especially with the help there of Fy
on the other side. So nice pick up that is a killing spree. Ah, I have decent amount
of gold here for the Ember. That's the kind of action they're looking for with
this lineup. Just skirmishes in some random jungle areas on bounty runes, on some
stacks, whatever it is where they can run people down. Lock them in with chains.
field just shoot them with the Weaver Martha. That's what line-up will show. If you're a
roar you do not want to get dragged into some of these random fights that are not objective
based. You want to keep the game controlled, fight for towers, fight for torrents, or fight
for Roshan. Make XT8 5 on 5s in your line-up, which is just insanely strong once it's
anchored around some point. Yeah, they're going to have to break the ball. They're
They're gonna have the aura advantage, they're gonna have the teamfight advantage.
That...
I don't know.
Pretty much requires extreme to get the initiation if they ever want to take fights.
Have to get some sort of good static storm to limit some of these teamfight abilities.
And even then, that pipe from WS may cause them some issues.
Did you have a read of the spell coming through though?
It's kind of wild. You just backed off.
Gonna get the Phoenix.
Got him on the silent.
There's more Vestal Chargers for the Ember, we'll open up the Wisdom Shrine potentially.
I think actually you should fight both here.
I think they have to get a little greedy right now. Yeah, you're behind. Just how your line of function.
You need to be looking for more kills as much action as you can get in this early game.
I don't know, if Aurora choose to fight you down here, the Phoenix is going to be able to TP onto the Tier 2.
I think she's going in on this.
Emerald can come back to this, comes away, underlord, and deadshot back the other hero TP way.
Okay, that's pretty smooth.
Connecticut field TP, alright, somebody got caught for that, but that was worth it.
No, 100%, need to find some small victories here, not let Aurora run away with this one.
I think Power Rune as well, shield on the Ember are pretty nice.
Aurora definitely needed to contest that sooner.
Yes, I feel like the teamfight is to your advantage, the fact that they just got pushed off of the wisdom shrine.
Really sucks.
Guess I'll put the weaver here.
Pretty interesting.
Have to join fights for that.
Actually, you're gearing up for a fast game.
Usually not their ammo, because they usually do fall behind in the early game,
so it's kind of hard to play those fast tempo lineups when you play from behind.
Not really ideal.
See what they can pull off in this one. It's gonna be a tough line up to run into if Aurora
Don't give too many openings or they can just control the vision
What we'll all make it done with this desk though, they're not gonna let him finish it I
Don't know about this one chief like what team says you have to join us. Why because they're trying to kill the big dog
WS
Fortunately, he's already a little bit low, so that makes it a whole lot easier.
That delays his pipe.
He was just about to pick it up, so to be fair, the timing was perfect.
Yeah, I guess that works out.
He doesn't finish pipe.
That gives you your test of money, and now you can go towards mid.
Alright, good call.
Does she make a move?
This team is so weird to watch.
It feels like there's periods in the game where they're just asleep,
and there's periods where, like, suddenly they wake up and,
Oh, yeah, we gotta be doing this, though. I mean, it's so direct.
Yeah.
Also, how did Aurora slow down so much?
It's one thing for Xtreme to be making moves,
but it feels like Aurora is also simultaneously...
slowed down quite a bit.
I would agree.
I think they could've gotten a lot more done around this tier one.
For example, like, you had a Viper against a Ember,
a Viper with early bots,
you had a Shaman who could draw wards for some of these tier ones.
There's still a tier one mid standing, right?
achieve. That's value for them. He's doing any power runes as well for his ember.
And he's got a lot of power in his skin. Keeping him on the map, giving him some extra play potential.
This is another arcane rune. Still on special charges. I agree. There's some opportunity here for Aurora
to get more done around this mid lane in particular.
How does he get the tower first?
Pretty insane. It is pretty insane.
Pull me on here for nightfall, carry damages there.
If you want to join a fight, they have pipe on the unordered, you can gate into the play and blink on the shawing for initiation.
So a lot just came out for Aurora, going to try and use it and yeah, you absolutely want to defend this tier one top at SP.
Oh, that would have been a good position to break that smoke with high ground ward.
But Aurora, slip on fly, looping around.
Now to stay in the first target with the blink dagger hit him with the hex now follow up shackles
Didn't land. Where's the shackle? There's no tree. What do you want him to do man?
Not the shackles. Where is the shackles?
Oh that yeah. Different ability. That one I don't know about
Got tongue tied I guess. Amira come on brother
Is there some other stuff that was supposed to go off there? There's nothing else
It didn't run out of mana.
Like the Shaco shot not landing is whatever, like it gives bonus damage, so like who cares?
It's both, Mira has, it's your own hex!
Where, like where are you going down for?
What are you looking at?
Big fight though.
Stash storm, spear back at a supernova.
Lornoff is getting low with the spear festival on him, but the supernova's gonna force
these heroes to retreat a little bit.
They have the glimpse to play off of any way, and here comes Ami with that
So to make short work of the Viper crimson guard or no the physical damage still cuts through the hero
It's all positioning on that high ground for XG tough position
To just force your way to how did that fight come to be in the first place?
Not a wisdom shrine fight. So I was about to ask you what are you awkward?
What are you even fighting for there?
If you're a war like this is the fight you decide to take with your time
I'm trying to go on a Mars super deep
He don't have focus fire here.
Very awkward.
No Viper strike, no focus fire.
That's a very forced play without important cooldowns against the Lionthas.
They want the Excursion right now.
Yes, please run into my Deso Weaver who's gonna get some charges.
We can go up somebody back.
The idea of this Weaver is it gives you the good answer against the Viper,
especially with this Deso Bill.
can chop him down.
XG are not afraid to skirmish into the early utility mid
here from Aurora, and if you lose these early fights
with the early utility mid, you can definitely
fall behind in terms of scale and DPS.
These are not team fights that Aurora are supposed
to be losing.
Now, you have a crimson, you have a pipe against you.
Don't worry.
Didn't get him inside the serpent wards,
and he does have his ultimate when these disables fail.
So, Strip and Wards aren't gonna be an issue here, chasing after all my big kill.
Time-lapse got him inside the pit, very good!
Aurora, make up for their slip-up earlier, getting a crucial kill.
Easy run down there.
Didn't even need a real stun.
Now they can...
set up for Tormentor at some point in time.
Nobody else gets Gloves.
So lucky.
Another power room for nothing to say.
He's getting way too many.
That's kind of proct of the Viper wanting to do other stuff.
Gonna try and do the Torment there right now.
See if he gets the lucky shard.
Lord off, look at that Viper shard.
Huh.
That's very early.
Okay, I already had his.
It would have been between him and the Shatter Shaman.
No, minus armor.
No minus armor synergy in this lineup though.
That's a little sad.
That's true.
Some more insane-y is quite bad right now.
Well, no, no, there's minus armor synergy within the hero.
That's no plus weaver.
Or a swarm, sorry.
I'll say for a reward.
Oh, man, none.
What are they doing out here?
Don't they know what the med is?
They have, um, magic resistance synergy.
Right.
He's baiting out nothing to say. There is going to be some heroes right behind him here.
A sound's trying to stop these, uh, stables. It's just the shackle shot left. Now he gets off the BKB.
All I have to do is get away from this focus fire and he'll be fine. The bugs go out.
He really gets caught, but the Supernova in response is really nicely placed.
They can't do anything about it.
They hold in the heroes inside of their own arena to die in front of the exploding sun.
A beautiful placement there from the egg, just kinda anchors the fight.
Not an area that you actually want to push into, even though the arena lands on a lot.
And the shackle from Nightfall finishes it all.
And because they have the shard on the Viper, very easy to take objectives afterwards.
I even consider Roshan here another focus fire.
Ten. Why not?
It's gonna be a BKB done for nightfall here put an Aegis on one of these heroes your aggs might burst coming shortly
Heroes are gonna tank up. They're gonna hit a pretty insane
HP spike here
In the next three or four minutes
It's up to cut through to not get
Any sort of crazy small action off this vessel we were gonna have one fight. That was kind of it
Still looking for deso charge that
Oh, there's the Desa Charger. You're welcome. Got one.
Free chicken delivery. Sounds pretty good right now.
Hmm, I'd go for some chicken.
Production? Get all that.
Is that WS completing his aggs? I think so, right? Yeah, he's got aggs coming to him. He's a big boy.
That's going to be a problem for the weaver. Ember has BKB. Weaver, I mean, Aume's going Hurricane Pike into...
Daedalus? Daedalus or Grand KB?
You have to audibly shrug. You can't just...
You have to do what you have to do out here, you know, like...
The Daedals is the better item on the hero. It's better versus everybody other than the
Vasion coming up with the Windranger Phoenix.
I mean, there's also the mispercentage of...
Oh, so there's mispercentage stack on this line.
Ah, it's really happening.
Mis...
Misenergize.
Yeah, misenergize.
Anyway, the Phoenix miss chance alongside the Windranger Windranger.
They are controlling the map heavily now, which would be the boots that travel and the
Aggs underlord.
They can be anywhere in these sideblanes.
If you wanted to rat to buy time as extreme, it's gonna be a very rough game to do so.
Losing so much lane control right now, I'm in trouble.
Pushing many waves out with it, with the underlord threat, who needs to travel with Viper, so much cool working ability in this lineup.
Amongst the cores, and very good pick-off threat.
Shaman plus Windranger.
This lineup's just forcing XG off the map so quickly.
Half the fight.
Got a spear back onto the Viper, trying to kill him, but he already preemptively was sitting inside his stuff.
Now the Super Nova's gonna be focused here, it's a hard time, the Iber spear can't do it alone,
Still the comes through and gets a final hit it that was clutch to be able to get that kill isn't enough to win the fight though
Plenty of low HP heroes in the back line here, but there's still nightfall charging forward with his ages meant to get the
Hacks on to the weaver we were in trouble with the focus fire shackles
Glimps to be able to stop that much and night falls gonna die here the final shot coming in
Or does power the shadow shaman ame with the time-lapse now can go after lord off as well
Ames clearing house in this one can he finish off at least with a hurricane pipe push them off
Motherclub, Shurikuchi's away, away from Nightfall, who is getting cladded around constantly by Ex-Nova.
Find Pops, BKB, but it's far too late for that one Nightfall, Nightfall!
You don't get the chance to pull the Nightfall!
No Nightfall allowed, says Extreme Gaming.
What a teamfight under that tower.
They get a nice pin to start it out.
And Aumages, he plays a perfect fight.
The fact that Shackle got glimpsed, that was the one point where maybe they could have brought this Weaver down.
But that whole fight is set up to amplify the Weaver's damage and let him go to town.
He's your big DPS here.
Everyone is playing for the position.
Starts off really awkward with the Pit Conisoning the Weaver here.
But the fact that DPS enabled the disc chop this 8 down, that's a very risky plan.
I almost think X even didn't even realize that was happening until the end, like,
oh shit, I gotta help you kill this thing.
Yep.
And good thing too, because he wouldn't have been able to do it solo.
He needed one more hit from somebody, and X knowed he came to the rescue.
This is why Defender of Vantage matters a lot. This Tier 2 didn't work. It kills the Shaman here.
Yep, if Shaman lives, I don't think Amé can go back in here.
I'll also like to bonus armor on Amé. How much does that make a difference when he's getting hit by that focus fire?
That's towered in a lot of damage. I bet this tower was like the actual damage.
There's no way. Do they not get hit by that?
Do they not fall the entire time?
They have some.
It's not doing more damage to Amé. If you said second, I would be like, okay, maybe.
It's probably the top three.
Okay, that's me. I would agree with that.
Definitely did more than X-XS there.
Come on, now he got this beer entrance!
Staying more damaged.
Did cost him an Ember Bob back though.
As good as the outcome was.
It's costly for your other cores.
You're pushing the Weaver up at the expense of some of your other heroes.
Maybe a fine strat, because you're kind of all in on all made of carry this game anyway.
Just the certain extent, and you kind of expected the Ember to be behind against the Viper matchup.
So you can get him the faster data was MKB I can kind of see him carry the fights like he's gonna hit so damn hard at the same time
Very volatile if he ever gets caught by Mira in particular
This weaver dies the fight is just over it's gonna be not even close
Kind of close bags here to on X know it feels like
we're trending more and more towards
4 Protect 1 in a way where you want your carry to be able to do an overwhelming amount of single target damage.
We saw that primarily with the success of Shadowfiend and how good that hero has been in the meta.
But it feels like it's kind of a trend for some of these other heroes. We try to outspend, right?
Yeah, well you know, seeing a little bit more.
You know what hero is missing from that? That's the medicine?
OD.
No, what's OD? What the fuck's he got to do with it? You're obsessed with OD.
That doesn't mean it's the answer to everything in life in general.
It's good single target.
Anyway, what hero do you even know of that one?
The Ogre Magi!
What? It's okay.
Ogre Magi is the king of the four protect-a-one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He just sits there, bloodlust his carry, runs in, tanks a bunch of spells.
Okay, but the other part is lane-winning, and Ogre can be a little bit of a shithole.
When Ogre's good, he is a lane winner.
Don't you worry about that part.
Oh, oh, oh, got him on the yellows.
Alright, nice little pick-off.
And it's another Deso Charge for Ame.
Oh yeah, he's powering up.
Kato is dealt by the way.
Already level 21.
So the other thing that went well for actually in that fight is that the Weaver got a
lot of those kills towards the end.
We're gonna have to split the XP as much.
And the levels for this hero are mega important for the Talons.
Yeah, yeah.
One gets a level 20 and level 25 big upgrades to the hero.
It's just so huge, he has the shard as well, so this weaver is...
He's terrifying right now. This is what the whole game's about.
Can Almey get a good fight? Can Aurora find lockdown on him and bring him down?
Particularly with the focus fire from the Wind Ranger, that's your best tool.
The double shackles.
Viper is not really doing a lot here.
This is the benefit of the pick, but there's not much Lornoff can do to really prevent Almey rampage.
in the fight. A lot of pressure on Nightfall to connect. You almost don't want to see Nightfall
focus fire anything other than all may do. Yeah, agreed. Said that it opens the fight
too much for the weaver. I think he's just not afraid of too much at that point. Yeah,
now like maybe early on it was okay, but now it feels like you have to have that
damage to kill this weaver. It's got 2600 HP. And that's without him putting
on strength. See about axels when ranger? Because then he can become a kushi master. I am this
kushi now. It looks like some sort of anime fight. Carrie's just disappearing and showing
up everywhere. They have triple BKB time for Aurora across the three cores. They might
force them to be very aggressive here that I don't agree with but they might do it.
All that else are they supposed to do? Tormentor's falling in two seconds. Okay.
of Roshan that can be upright, huh?
Let's go to the bottom of this.
Just got... again, I think their line-up strength is a round objective.
I don't like them fighting outside of control for an objective or a hierarchy.
I don't think it's going to end well for them, and I don't think many of the fights have.
Well, you just got a really nasty combo on your hands.
Aag's static storm is done alongside the Mars arena, so if you lay down that arena and static storm in conjunction, it's over for whoever's inside.
That changes this game a lot.
It makes that initiation way more potent, especially against the triple PKB lineup.
You're gonna have to pop these early if you're over or I do not want to get caught in some nonsense here.
here should have the more tags soon as well actually get some team fight items
online there two cores are still pretty far behind Aurora can take advantage of
this they can find initiations
on Fyze Muerta we'll pick off here I feel like Fyze always got to get a couple
solo deaths on that mid lane it's funny that you say in the mid lane too which
Which is like, I feel like the least effective way to die as a support.
You know what I mean?
If you're on deep on some side lane, you know, you get ganked, two cares.
Definitely the worst place to die in general average.
Would have been oh so sweet.
He's, he's gonna finish MKB here too, so...
Imagine if he didn't use the gate for this.
Had the gate there to stop that TP.
That's his MKB timing too!
Oooh!
That's mega fat.
See, it calls to 25.
Weaver's an issue for a war right now.
Actually, you know what?
They're smoking out there.
They're ready to go.
If he gets on top of Nightfall, he might just blow up this winter ranger.
I do not think Nightfall is going to be ready for this.
A lot of firepower in XG's lineup right now.
And they're down 8k! That's kind of crazy.
It does not feel like it.
No, not at all.
It feels like they're maybe even slightly favored in the fight if they execute everything without most ability.
A lot depends on the jumps and the vision.
Gonna fight for this Roshan around the river.
Tota Plus actually favors Aurora, I mean with the 8000 Goldeney, it's a lot.
Why?
But it is, as you said, it does feel like extreme gaming is in the better position.
I mean, also if you get the level 25 on Weaver, that's a game changer.
Oh, that, then they're definitely favored.
He gets that in like the middle of a fight and levels it up.
Very hard for HG to force a fight hotline.
It's very hard for them to go high ground or into Aurora's line, which is again why I
favor Aurora around objectives.
They can just plant themselves, force HG into them.
All of a sudden HG have to pop BKBs early, they have to jump in.
It gives you a very high chance to catch this weaver who, remember, no defensive
item on Ame right now. No defensive save in this lineup. If the weaver gets jumped at all
in, it's just dumb.
Yep.
So, his position here is damage on one hero.
His position is everything.
Gornas, Smog's just gonna break on him. He's just gonna dive right into him with
the gate on top of these heroes. This is already looking like a brilliant start for
the Supernova over the top that can't do anything. Ame just has to run for it.
He lost so much HP, he can't even time-lapse.
This is just perfect for Aurora. Great jump.
That's where it is. If you can jump on me, the fight's just kind of done.
There's no way to reset and bail that out. They get him out of there in terms of
life, but you can't turn the fight. Yeah, the damage is done. They just did so much
like A-Wee damage to him. He time lapses. He's back in the terrible spot, so he'll
need to be in this game to be able to be in there.
Oh, great jump. Great jump from Aurora, 10k lead now.
Hint the Roshan, aim just on the Light Burg and the Banner as well.
And that'll buff it up to 11k all of a sudden, so...
This is gonna be a spooky timing for Amai.
Like, can you get to the BKB before the next big flight comes your way?
Is Aurora gonna just... take it to the high ground soon?
I think you'll get there. You should get to 25 years well.
Yeah, with the Wisdom Shrine. He's gonna be strong with that.
The thing is he will kind of tap out at that point, double.
Oh, there's a 25. Get double with it, Shunny.
And then we'll make X-Hill a pay-for.
Here comes Lornaf, teeping him off the gate, catch Fy.
You know, he's gotta have a couple of Fy deaths around mid lane, you know.
He got to his ags at least this time.
That's true.
So, he got an item off of it.
teamfight item as well. Biggest thing to say, catch the phoenix when kary tries to dive in.
Or cancel the shackle. The cancel the shackle, very important, but the high ground push is
gonna come in early and Ami doesn't have his bkb. I think you have to get this up. There's,
there's just no way you want to take this fight. Very tough to go into Aurora planet here.
Vanir, Ward, it's, Viper sitting in the middle of it. There's gonna be some egg in the back.
Just no easy targets when they're grouped up like this.
So they give it up, BKB now done for Amit.
So, life's decision by Extreme, now they have a real chance to win this fight.
Now that you have the BKB, now that the Weaver can go in and commit.
Got to find targets quickly, mass paying stuff on this area, Aurora I think they know that
that is where the smoke is approaching.
They certainly know now that the weaver has cleared out the midway.
BKB for the Shadow Shaman though.
That's rather spooky again if Aurora get the initiation.
Nothing to say he's got to be carefully. He's got to deal with his wave pushing in or Aurora might
might set up a gank on him.
Trying to finish the shields right now but still 2 minutes on this Asia so
Finish it up, gotta take the fight here, and to do it into two lives on the lifer, not the
hero you want to go on first, Lornoff, he knows it, he's gonna force it.
There's another ward drop, just using these off cooldown for some buildings.
Yeah, I don't see any smokes available for Extreme, so if they want to get around to
Aurora, they're gonna spear back Lornoff, does not manage to get the latch on the
spear, he knows that he's back in a position here, Shackle shot, latches, hits Aume,
Aame with a bit of damage, but they'll finish off Lornoff's first life.
Get him again.
Even the Sunray being used here, Lornoff may have to dive in here with the Static Storm and Static Storm.
BKB goes up from here, look at him, he just gets demolished by this Weaver!
Got off the Yulestope, nice deadshot back in, Lornoff pops BKB,
and with the slowdown of the attack speed, is able to nose dive away initially.
Nothing to say, he's still gonna chase after him with a slight fist.
Is that gonna be enough with the vessel and deadshot?
They get him now.
Kaori, nice spear back onto the Underlord, pinning him now.
Now, Amé, when is Amé gonna come in and clean this one up?
They have the arena going in.
Amé's just not sure about the commitment.
Throws a damage to Knight, but almost one shot him with those shamanite attacks.
Now, the glimpse back.
Knight falls slips into the night.
They don't know where he is.
Thanks to that act.
The invisibility is the only save in Grace here.
Got the Phoenix.
They'll get one more off of this one.
Oh, shamanite hits man.
I almost feel like Amé gotta luck you with Chris in that fight too.
He was kind of pounding into the Viper, just didn't get big Daedalus hits for a lot of that.
Slowed that fight down considerably, still damaged leader by a wide margin.
The second that frontline folds the roar, they're gonna collapse real quick.
They did get melee racks there, so technically a successful push for them.
Didn't lose too much.
Oh, for Mira, even with this guard it's not enough to save him.
Facts you can just static storm the Viper on the respawn, it's really strong in that position.
He's still gonna fight back here. He's still got tanky boys.
You see Amé here in the bottom left corner? He's sticking inside the base.
He's really scared to go in.
He didn't have time-lapse and didn't have to give you at this point.
So he's just going, bop, bop, bop, bop!
Got a couple crits there.
Pretty nice.
I thought he was still there.
Oh, they thought he was stuck inside the kinetic field. That's why, off of the glimpse.
But, you got one early, man. It's a bit of a big catch.
AC on the Underlord will help mitigate some of this Weaver damage a little bit.
Sheva's Viper, same thing.
Do have a Hex on the Phoenix as well, so, Roar.
Striking back a little bit, can maybe look for even more initiation potential on Aume.
At various points in the fight.
Or it means even if the Shaman goes down, he still doesn't have a Hex later on.
after the weavers be giving you to help you find and burst him this is where that net worth difference is you're really
Gonna start showing itself because your weavers capped out, but you don't have
You don't have the like site refresher
Initiation for the Mars nor do you have the utility to help the weavers stop now a roar is initiation
They don't have lincoln's or anything like that, so
We're easy to play the five-man flight is wrong right now
That is for sure. Execution is very difficult for Xtreme.
Potentials there just have to be extremely clean with it.
Yeah, when both your supports buy Aghanim Scepters, I think you're always going to be way more execution based, right?
I definitely agree. Everybody's playing for themselves. Yeah, your spells are great for the team.
Maybe I shouldn't call it a Gree, it's just you're lacking utility. You're lacking 4 staff glimmers, saves.
and utility is always a cushion to fight yes if they get an initiation the utility might be
What allows you to survive through that? What happens if they jump weaver now? Yeah, he's there's nothing
Yeah, nothing happens everyone just throws down their spells and hopes that's enough to bail him out
He gets caught by BKB shaman there is
Quite literally nothing in this lineup that will stop that shackle going off of the full duration
Yeah, other than just right-clicking shaman now
Look at how defensive XG are on this. At least I'm trying to expect you to move from a rock.
There's such a move, it won't be coming in.
Main game, it's in the top river area.
If they use this smoke to get out of the map, they're going to walk past that.
Which will be real juicy.
Which there's a rush up to just go do with that one, can't bottle it here.
Surely you pushed forward with an insane damage spike.
I'm a little bit surprised not having Wynn grab that right away.
Like what if Aurora was baiting it there?
It's just too powerful.
You can't refuse true power like that to me.
Smoke is going to break on Aurora's dives, goes to it, dives in, doesn't really die
and he got up the supernova.
Now they're going to focus it down the rules, like the rest of Aurora wasn't quite ready
for that one.
Mira jumped in, the two sports jumped in, but the core is not quite so much.
It already came down to this one for staff back trying to get away x6 that's Bob since BKB now to try and lock down these heroes for all
They always not certainly if you can go in or not because the shadows on the shit about your job
You got the heck and the weaver's gonna get some trouble the focus fire
It was like tax them down and there's no buyback there the sag storm
It's gonna be a dieback maybe on mirror and some of these other heroes
But without the weaver they're just lacking in the damage not even Mira dies
No diebacks there for Aurora and they got what they came for they killed on me
They only need to kill him once apparently did not get time-lapse off majority of the damage in that kill comes from the viper
Just laying the right clicks into it
Defensive viper getting the most damage on this elusive weaver
That's not what you expected bigger a fresher place from nightfall there to you. He's just super kidded now. It's 25
Has his eyes very hard to catch in the fight as much damage and elusivity as this weaver's giving you the winter Rangers matching it at this point
She in trouble here as the overwhelming ball for Aurora is just unbreakable.
She's a personal aching.
There's another war drop on another objective point.
It's just got to be Vegas here.
Yeah, nothing you could do about it without the Weaver.
In fact, if Aurora wanted to just go thrown,
I feel like there's very little you could do about it.
And this will be a bit of a damage test, see if they can end the game before the Weaver is back up.
And how well they do in the 4 vs 5 is extreme trying to defend.
Weaver Shark plus AC gives you a lot of extra minus armor on these towers.
They're gonna back off.
There's a Roche spawn to go get here.
Yeah, that's true. No need to throw the game.
The captain takes so easily, but the fact that the supports have buybacks here counts
for a lot that Amir is able to go down the first time.
He's still coming into this fight and finding some connections.
You can see the damage for the weavers is not nearly as threatening with that AC.
He can't really hit WS, and even hitting Lauren off there.
Didn't do that much.
And I'll take the one grab.
I'm afraid to commit with the Shalman coming back in, and he falls just here or something.
I'll parry.
I do wonder how different that would be if he time-lapsed instead of trying to shoot
Gucci right away.
I saw this thing being like, I think there was a window to get it off there.
He's going to time-lapse back into them, though, as the downside I think.
I was trying to avoid it if possible.
Might need Divine Rapier in this one, against the Megas.
Likely we'll have to go that way for a chance.
Somehow playing this game out, but it's looking quite overwhelming.
Here's the refresher on XSS.
But...
Doesn't feel... I mean, this lane to the game doesn't feel nearly as effective, especially without a side device.
And Aurora just holding on to 5 acts.
They have 4 or 5 acts available for this Rosh fight.
And she have embers and that is it.
It feels like extreme have to win like 3 or 4 fights in a row.
Boat's dead shot.
Trying to poke it Lauren off here.
It's the gate. Grabbing multiple heroes here.
The arena goes down. Ami's in trouble. Focus, fire.
The static sword. He doesn't get off the timelines.
He's trying to make a run for it with the Shukuchi. Not sure if he can go back in or not.
Meanwhile, X-XS and FY still fighting out and still dying under EPS Gold to the Viper and the Underlord.
Coming in from above, Aume trying to hit them.
Doesn't do too much. Nobody dies on the side of Aurora from his Gemini attacks.
Gotta watch your base. Lost your fours.
Currently, four Catapult hitting this, so they should have to go back.
You can't take these fights out there.
You have no glyph too.
Oh, yeah, Aurora can actually just go and end it.
Nah, it's just over. I mean, he's right here with Nightfall meeting you.
Yeah, it does. Two seconds here.
Yeah, but you need to more identify this?
He does not have DKD on Nightfall, which is maybe the only reason they're hesitant.
I'm not sure about this. Pretty sure Piper told us.
Yeah, I think so too.
Lornoff is going to push forward.
They're trying to hold him back, slight change, dead shot.
The banner goes down. FY trying to deal with it.
Lornoff doesn't care. He starts hitting the ancient.
Slowly, but surely not doing the vastness damage here, but he has an Aegis, so it doesn't really matter.
There's not much health left on the throne, WS get hit with his AC, and the game is done.
Aurora will push us to 8-game-3.
I think there were glimpses of what this Weaver swapped in was supposed to do,
but Aurora just presented overwhelming teamfights of superiority.
It actually cannot crack that ball. The early Oras came online.
They took almost every objective in this game.
Tormentors, Roshan, high ground pushes, drop the shaman wards, drop the pits,
foot viper in the front line, you have egg behind him.
That was too much for a 4-part 6-1 lineup to get through these two other coursewrecked G-Worchers.
Completely punished in that lane phase, it felt too far behind me. I think that's
slowly becoming more and more Aurora's style in MMO and has been for some time.
It's a lot of utility, a lot of Auras. They almost play with two off laner sometimes
Sometimes the Flornon's not on one of those stylish Spirit Heroes.
And they just barrel through. Like they get these Roshans in the mid-game, they go high ground pretty convincingly.
You have to be ready for that. You can't let your cores fall behind, you can't put them in such four lane match-ups that you don't have Dota to play.
This was not the game for a champion.
Extreme Gaining, losing sight here in this game too, Aurora making a real good name for themselves, I would say, with their aura setup and what you're talking about, and it comes to their strategy, looking good, going into game three.
Which matches up whenever these two teams have faced off against each other just two days ago, except it was the other way around.
Aurora had one game one there's an extreme one game two and three
So we'll see if Aurora can invert that as we take a look at what happened in the game number two. Don't boo me
Oh, okay, you can dab
Not me accidentally person about Matt time Neil it was it was Mara deliberately pressing the button
Well Aurora were dabbing on the haters is a specifically Lord off dabbing on the viper haters
Maybe he deserves a round of applause Brian because he managed to make the hero look good
Yeah, I wasn't sure what his role in the game was gonna be as I was saying but once they picked the underlord and they allowed
They basically accelerated their three aura timing
by having
The crimson guard on the underlord or on the viper you have like the underlord aura pipe crimson she was like
Like, it just felt like a large portion of the game, or the entire game, Extreme was trying
to break that ball.
They were trying to basically cross that threshold of damage necessary, and they managed to do
it in like a couple fights, but that Viper Pig did effectively put them on the backfoot
for the entirety of the game, and it felt like they were playing catch-up, and they
ended up with mustard new.
Mustard's excellent.
There you go.
I like mustard.
Dijon.
What's sexy about that everything musted no you just on the camera
What would sin think about
Yeah, that game was pretty tough for extreme gaming
And you were wondering what Viper's role was, but honestly, shutting down the Ember did seem like enough
because without Ember being an active component in that early game, they couldn't defend towers,
they couldn't really make any moves, they just had to try to build for a later fight or wait for
like rotations that they could do. And yeah, we saw a few moments where FY and NTS were playing
together, they were able to get a few pickoffs on Phoenix, but at that point they're already
super behind in that worth mid-laner to mid-laner, and it just seems like an uphill battle from there.
Yeah, I guess that was pretty much all they needed to I assumed that they would have needed more scaling coming from the offlaners
But the off-laner role in this series so far seems kind of vague right now in this series, Brian
I think it's been actually quite straightforward
It's a guy on Mars arena and the other team not dying as they have a bunch of auras
But for this game
I would like to actually highlight a different matchup a matchup between
between Amé, the carry, and Mira, the support, who, if you're going to notice, pretty much
in all these fights, Amé is going to spend his time trying to get through all of the
crap to eventually bring Mira down. Watch him get in there for a second. Come on, Amé.
You're hitting all the heroes in front of you, but eventually that Shadow Shaman is
going to disable you. He's got to go down.
But he's hiding. He's so far away.
Yep. And this is what happens to Amé when Mira is alive. So then he's like,
Okay, this guy's got a freaking die manages to almost finish him off
But then the tower and that that Mira dying right there is what actually allows them to take the longer fight for
Aume to re-enter take down Lornoff and eventually chase down nightfall as well
It's like a huge thorn in the side
It is a really funny dance that these two are playing throughout the entire course of the game and all of these team fights
As you see the long fights eventually favor extreme as long as Aume is able to re-engage in this one
He spends his entire BKB
taking out Mira like he ignored the egg he ignored all the other heroes
barely killing him but guess what Mira has the ultimate counter he's got the buy
back so I'm a like in this case would he be able to do what he did in that last
fight answers no Mira's got his number blink hex and even though he does
technically have time to time lapse there I think you would have just died
anyway because the focus fire persists through that so this is quite the carry
experience dealing with Shadow Shaman. We see Ami on the top half of your screen. Gonna
be managed to time lapse off the Windranger. And then let's just make sure that Shadow Shaman
is taken out of the picture here. No, he's shackling things. Yeah, just wait. They have
too many shackles. Ami, he's like, I can't fight at all. And Mere ends up taking him
down. You end up getting the lockdown Mere. I don't know why you had such a problem
with Ami that day. He's gotta go to pick up the last game too. Yeah. I was
Hoodwing goes dead all the time?
Seriously.
During the game...
Get him back and forth, whoever wins that battle wins, apparently.
Because the Kaz was destroying that Hoodwing in game number one, and I'm sure Almey was just like,
God damn it, if I was just playing Kaz right now, I'd not be such a problem.
Or maybe this guy only has one stun instead of nine seconds of stuns,
because the Hoodwing only has one.
Yeah.
Or maybe if I can kill him successfully without him turning into chickens,
Shao Shan is proving to be a real nuisance.
Gray hero.
Should be going giant chicken, but what can you do?
This chicken figure is obviously better.
But the giant chicken is better. It's morally better, I think.
The psychological impact of staying...
Indeed, a giant snake.
Yeah, well, you said it, Neil.
What about the psychological impact of being one guy versus the world?
Because as we were watching those highlights of Shiro's Brain,
it just felt like all of the firepower that Extreme Gaming had was in Weaver,
and then suddenly they have an AC, they've got a Crimson Guard, they have a Shiva's.
All your firepower is with Weaver, you build for it,
and then no one else in extreme gaming is really able to provide that much.
Like, we did see an Ember BKB hit the egg with the Morita one time,
but do you really want your Ember plus Morita hitting an egg
while your Weaver is the one attacking the back line?
Usually it should be the other way around.
Yeah, you'd rather have the Ember disrupting the back line
while Weaver focuses the targets down in front, but...
Which part of the question was the Weaver pick the ideal one in that scenario?
Because they needed an egg hitter.
Yeah, the...
It puts you in this weird spot when you know your playmaker
is going to be losing the early game because if your hero can't make any plays at all or at least is not like
Ungangable like weaver effectively makes it so the enemy mid can't gank him like it's a viper, right?
So if you pick any carry that dies the viper strikes that momentum from the mid lane might just turn into your game too
So it's it might just be that they were kind of screwed in the draft up until the last pick because your hero has to be ungangable
Supply some mid game
Momentum and then also do all the things mirror just said and I don't know if that's I don't know if there's a hero
that accomplishes that.
Well, at least not one that wasn't banned.
A lot of boxes that needed to be checked in that game number two, Extreme, weren't able
to tick them all.
Let's see if they can come out on top in game number three, or if Aurora will win
the series.
Give me an oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, look at that.
I'm not going to do it down for you.
Do it.
One down.
Half a down.
No.
Just like a small little elbow down.
Just like a small little elbow dab, a tiny dab, a little pinky dab.
Nice.
Good enough for a minute.
Alright friends, I will see you as we prepare for game number three of Extreme vs Aurora.
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Watch how we shine
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The spark in the room, yeah
We're the bass in the room, yeah
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I'm a spark in the room when the base go
Why did we take for granted all that was good?
I wish we could mind what we had and bring it back.
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Let's keep it one more try
Don't wanna say goodbye
I know we both had moments
We're both the same
No one to blame, no
I'm sure that you agree, it's not over yet
Let's not forget, almost all the time
There's not going to be so much yet
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So one more try, just one more try
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A love like me once had just
Can't be denied
If we both feel this way then
Come on, let's do it
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like what he's actually like. Oh hello. I guess we are because we have a game
number three in this lower bracket semi-final to attend to. Aurora and Extreme
going the distance yet again. They already did it in group stage two.
It was thrilling series but in that one we had Extreme Gaming coming out on
on top.
That was close.
Let's give it one more chance.
One more chance.
That's what they're saying to each other.
Oh yeah.
Do you want to give it one more chance?
Just that easy.
Sorry.
One more chance.
My arm's dead, man.
Yeah, I know.
You go hard carry the truck.
We don't have a really good one.
I actually have not had my arm this far in a long time.
Tommy Jones surgery.
Tommy Jones.
I understand baseball pitchers now, you said that off camera and I immediately realized, yeah.
We need a relief trick shutter.
Yeah.
A closer.
We do.
They can throw it even feel it.
That's true.
But they throw them hard, though.
They sure do.
We need to get a full run.
They've got the stuff.
They got the stuff.
Almost.
No.
Nope.
Our director is a League of Legends fan.
Bear that in mind.
Next time you change your teammate.
He's one of us. It's okay. We've adopted him. We've adopted him. We will fix him.
Oh yeah. We will. We will fix you. You can't say you can't. We will fix you.
This is the superior game. We will know it. There's Fax. We should have a segment called Flax Fax.
Hey, that's some fun.
How about all flags? No printer.
I like that better. Let's go.
Coinflip has gone the way of Aurora. They went first pick, and they're going to cash it out on a warlock after banning out Treant Batrider and Tinker Extreme.
Take out the Windranger, Largo, Shadowfiend, and Shadow Demon.
You got to take out that Game 3 and TS Tinker.
Did they just smash Kaz here and just say we don't really care what you pick against the in lane?
I would not like the Kaz here so early because we've seen it lose when it gets picked without seeing the off laner.
I'm surprised that this series Beastmaster is not just like dominating the conversation.
I guess it's just a situation with the other teams that I've been watching, like the liquids with the Tundras.
I mean I don't think Aurora really plays it.
at least not on nightfall which is an important flex to have and I've noticed that heroes will
significantly go down in value if you don't think the other team really plays it because you're
either picking it later when it's like a good game for it or you just don't it's just not contested
in the draft seems like they really prioritize their early pick warlock or jakiro or phoenix for
kari on aurora yeah they pretty much give every other game or every game uh the only other
picks I've seen go for a shattered demon in pugna do you think the Mars will
show up this game three because it has been losing consistently in this game
in this series yeah I mean it's interesting because the counter to
arena is just not dying in arena okay and Nick night the only thing arena
stops you from doing generally is running away so you just have to pick
really beefy boys you might need to wait to pick Mars you know like people
I've been picking it before they see the enemy off-laner.
One game it was an underlord as a response
and the other game was a centaur.
And even though arena is like good against centaur
in theory, it's just the guy just stands there
with a crimson and a pipe and doesn't die.
And they also had a lot of saves that game
with shadowed even plus ring master.
Ring master still in the game.
I don't know if they'll be going for it
on either side though.
Doesn't particularly great against either of these supports.
I also think that in the Mars game that we just saw, it didn't feel like a Mars hero issue
rather than an overall draft issue.
Because if your mid laner is getting stomped hard by a Viper pick and he doesn't have a
game, who is really there to take advantage of early arenas?
That did feel like a problem.
So for extreme gaming, I want them to stabilize this mid lane frontiers here, which is
a bit harder to do when you have a second pick because usually you don't get the
overall last pick for your mid, you don't get anything ideal.
And if you get it early enough, we'll see situations like the one that we just saw, Ember into Viper.
But, I think they're thinking something similar to what you just said for NTS, because by banning this tide, they are completely telegraphing Kez on the next two picks, because that's been pretty much the only hero response to Kez that seems like a counter because you just spell his damage over time and lane, he does a lot of hits, so the Crack and Shell is really nice.
And so I'm wondering, Rora knows this. I don't think Nightfall really plays it.
That's not played it a single time this tournament so far.
What's the response? You know what's coming? You see the train?
How do you get off the tracks now?
Earth is not banned, so that's the way.
Do you rail it?
No, you could just step to the left or the right. You have to be in a tunnel to be stuck.
Well, it's going very fast.
Okay, they're in a tunnel. You've had time to see the train.
Yeah, you know it's coming. You have time to hatch a plan.
You've questioned your mortality.
You had that for like a few seconds, but now you've got like two minutes of
draft time. Two minutes to think about a getaway? Yeah, I think two minutes.
And there's a fast train. It's a fast train that will kill you in about three seconds.
What's to the left and right of the track? More tunnel. What kind of just
lie down there? Does the train completely fill the tunnel? Well, that's just
a vertical train. This isn't a draft, I'm just about to die to a train.
But is it really a death to the train if you have a team pick on Aurora
And if the kez comes out you just earth on 18 versus Phoenix plus kez if you have a great pick availability
That's not end up. It's not that scary
extreme gok has here
A lot of they have this earth life
They don't pick their carry in this slot and they're in a really good position to play against sounds like they're not in a tunnel
Then they're in like a maybe a bridge that they can climb down to the side with the air specific
Yeah, why are you looking might take tree tree is available, of course
I think the idea about the Shadow Shaman was to protect these like mobile guys and they
They actually just give the NTS this hero as well, I was not expecting.
I actually thought they'd save the NTS hero because they were picking the Kaz.
But maybe they think that Pox really is his only good option because most of NTS's heroes that initiate are Melee.
So maybe it's like the only good option against Viper, it's not like it wins the lane, but it...
I think it gets demolished less than all the other Melee heroes.
Do you think these pajamas come like that? Or are they assembled from the scraps of all his other pajamas?
It's a pajama of theses what you're saying yes the pajama of feces
Is that even the original pajama name right right now?
Wow the action for timber over Earth sir. It's been about for sure in this next phase
Why do we think they prioritize that is he like the only offline earthen than tied that can actually laying its case or
I'm wondering why that was there.
I mean, I feel like this is like classic EG days, like Lion Timber saw Offlane.
Like Timber's a hero that you can kind of leave alone, kind of counters or like compensates
for the Lion's mediocre laning phase.
Not like it's terrible, but it's not great.
And you can go wandering around as Lion and maybe Sakius.
Yeah, Timber, the one thing Timber doesn't do as an Offlaneer is stunned, so that's
That's why it's also like an age old combo, it's lying kind of compensates for that aspect
as well.
But yeah, they're almost certainly going to get their Ursa banned out.
They banned Ursa Void Game 1 when they picked Kass, so it's almost certainly going to be
the same bans.
Maybe their Ritos, they can just kill this Kass online with a Barster, I'll find hero.
And that's enough to fill us up losing an Ursa, because it looks like a pretty solid
Ursa pick for them.
I hope their Ritos are the correct one, because it's like something that if it
goes wrong you just hit yourself on the head.
Over at the next turn.
Oh, why did we do this?
They will have plenty of time to think about America, they're not in the tournament anymore.
Oh boy, that's true.
Are you an ABBA fan, Neil? No, ABBA don't, but ABBA.
I know we're in Sweden, so you have to say yes, but oh, you just give me a look before you go.
I did not recognize Voo Le Voo when the band had played it.
I like this fish.
What is this bizarre earth disrespect?
Did something happen in the last few days where people just don't value earths anymore?
Did I miss any games?
Um, I mean, Nightfall did have a few underwhelming performances recently.
Yeah, he has actually lost his last four games, and he specifically lost two of them against Extreme on the Ursa.
So they think his Ursa is just not that good?
Apparently.
They think it's chopped, like, to the start.
Okay, that's cool.
I didn't realize there's four in a row. I thought I remember taking two of those.
He lost against Liquid, he lost against Malz, and then two games against Extreme on the Ursa.
He's washed.
That changes things, then.
Well, run it again!
The ultimate test!
Pull me once!
I mean, I think getting the Ursa here is pretty crazy, because it is a great Ursa game.
Pull me twice.
Same with me.
Pull me three times.
Shame back on you.
Pull me four times.
Shame back on me.
They're just full reading it, right?
They're full reading it, but this guy will lose on Ursa.
Yeah, I think they know their enemy, so type of thing.
They have the last pick off lane.
Is there a ranged guy that you're happy to pick against Ursa?
Maybe like an enigma or something?
But then you have warlocks, so probably not.
What's their pick?
I mean, Jowey, it's cooking.
I wouldn't mind some ranged teamfighter.
Buy some Oras.
Oh, okay, Slardar.
That's not ranged.
That doesn't buy Oras.
Fuck Oras, we're all in.
Let's just kill them all.
That's kind of what this draft feels like.
They do like disable on Aurora.
The only stun they have is Lyon.
I wonder if Lornoff elects for like an Etoes or something, but it's bad against Pock, and
it doesn't help against Kez, because he can dispel it, so...
I...
Of course he can.
I do have to ask you again about the Lornoff itemization plan here, Brian, because in
this situation, I have to imagine that Timbersaw is not going to be building aura heavy,
so the responsibility is Vipers.
It's interesting, because you have a lot of magic damage on Extreme Gaming's first
three picks but then you have so much physical coming from the kez and the
slaughter so I would elect to go damage avoidance like yule stuff and stuff and
like hurricane pikes rather than auras but it just depends if you go for the
auras and you lose one team fight you're just screwed so it's it could be a
threshold game again but I'm a 10 I prefer no auras let's just have some
good honest though you know I'm getting them just kill them and you are
right that they only have one son on Aurora but the counterpoint to that is
two of the cores are so bursty and Ursa and Timur saw that a lion should be
enough to just kill who they go on. For me like I look at this draft and I
really think that Aurora got away with a great draft so I just hope that
Extreme Gaming's read on this Ursa is correct that Nightfrog just loses with
this hero and they're not afraid of it because if they lose this game too in
Ursa that's something that they did to themselves.
Neil, does Kez, in addition to his other bullshit, have some kind of minus armor thing?
I was thinking about it because I was like, you know, Slaughter, are we...
Is this the... I'm good, it's just Aiden is on this panel, but I must point this out.
Aiden loves a minus armor strap.
A minus armor strap?
It always brings it up.
It's his whole thing.
Minus armor strap?
No, unfortunately.
He does buy a desu.
He does buy a donkman.
Maybe not on Ami though.
He usually goes battle theory.
So we'll have to see.
In the spirit of the minus armor strap, maybe he goes decimally.
He mixes it up and sometimes he even goes both.
Okay, okay.
Possibility is abound.
Alright friends, it's time to witness who is going to win this lower bracket semi-final
will be Aurora, will be Extreme, you're going to find out with TAP and SMG.
One game, $25,000 and 640 E.P.T. points on the line here.
Extreme gaming going back for the Kez Aurora saying, this time we can answer it.
Do you believe Avery?
Do you believe that the Kez can be answered?
They get their Ursa matchup, which is the one Night Falls preferred and it's probably
the one that's looked the best.
So that part of it, they did get the trade they wanted.
I would not want to play against Kess right now.
No.
Especially with the extreme gaming's preference for putting a lot on Amé.
Oh, yeah.
Right, the weaver couldn't do enough.
But the Kess, it feels like Kess.
That's absolutely a hero that you can kind of 1v5.
Yeah, sometimes he just gets the job done on his own.
Here he even has to help some scaling from the puck.
Some amp-fullification from the Slar dog and some lockdown from his supports.
No hard save in this lineup, that's still a big difference from the game one.
I think Aurora are going to be happy to see that.
There is definitely a very large difference draft-wise, unlike...
One side has this, the other side doesn't have any of that, and has this, right?
Extreme tons of disable Aurora, not so much Aurora.
They're going to have the Auras extreme, not at all.
What are we with that?
They can also itemize for damage on the Timber, I don't think he has to go worse this game.
There's some timber players who would just rush Lotus Orb here to choose to be a thing more like doing it in the games, especially this timber slaughter matchup.
Yeah, it makes it really hard for slaughter to really do anything to you get rid of Kazerai Katana, corrosive haze, fire spirits, violence on puck and the potential to turn some of the single target around from the Shadow Shaman.
It's a good ass loaders over here. So that's why I bring that item up if there's some of these single target destroying items for
Or they're gonna be good here no matter what the same time for xg yules are gonna be good for them like this bell against viper
But also the control against timber and ursa particularly seems pretty nice
If they can ever fit it in on any of these heroes
Not super natural item we see in the meta
So some of these more niche items could be super impactful in this game in particular because there's
Very specific control mechanisms for both teams that you're trying to play against and you have this carry matchup
You're trying to skew as heavily as possible
With some like semi carry mid it can kind of pick up some of the slack here
I think NTS will do a lot better with puck against the Viper than a melee hero, so I'm kind of happy to see that
What I think the thing I'm most concerned for a for warra three rounds Austin three rounds
They got three bounty runes. Yep on extreme. They did indeed. Thanks to that
smoke maneuver where the slaughter got around them if they kill the lion at
the start of the fight they kez or puck both very good at jumping to the
backline now okay we're gonna have a trade off of supports here who's gonna
die first it is going to be extra Nova it is Aurora picking up the first blood
and amazing even get the last in on the kill I ran to that one the old
face trade. Interesting.
Lion Timber is a pretty high killing. Cut all the trees.
That was kind of a bad first one. I'll tell you, XG just has this weird thing going on.
I feel like their micro reads of situations are off sometimes.
These little support exchanges, little rotations, how far they can go in a fight.
These are just off to me
And it does hurt you over the course of a tournament in the course of these games
I think it's a lot of their macro decision making is fine
Do you think they really suffer as a result?
What does that mean does that mean they are as a team and players more dependent on reps?
Like this is the lane matchup that they haven't played very often so therefore they don't
They're not as good as putting together like the theoretical
Well, potentially, you know, some things just don't spend as much time on laying in particular,
don't think about it.
It's not a priority.
Maybe you're trying to fix other stuff.
If you're trying to fix other stuff, then some of these little micro things are gonna suffer
in the meantime.
Yeah.
It's not necessarily an inherently bad thing.
It could mean that they're trying to work on larger stuff.
And some of that has been successful for them in this event.
It's just everything's a trade-off in the end.
I do think, in general, Chinese teams tend to focus less on lane compared to the European counterparts.
But I considerable margin. I don't think it's ever really been their strength.
It's not the wheelhouse, it's not how they historically trained in their pub games in particular,
which were really team fight-centric, team fight-focused.
Not really as counter-picky and this kind of thing.
It's another reason we never saw a lot of super prominent cheese out of China until, like, the modern age.
There weren't improved mother players. There weren't a lot of hustar players.
You know, there were a couple zoo players, but not compared to these other regions.
And even if there were, like how often do they actually get to play that if you're playing RD, right?
Which was the heckload of choice, as opposed to all that.
I mean, RD took it away, and then Ace banned their best team.
So, that's how it goes sometimes, like, you know.
They had one off-laner trying to win with that, and you got, you got fucked by Ace.
So your fuck ace
He's not the player just be quick
Yeah, not just look at the broadcast. What did I do man? Not not liquid
You know what maybe
That's it, it's an unconfirmed quote
By every silver man
He's a great guy mirror
up. There's another situation where he's going to get run down this time around WS and P-kills
on Aumay instead of trying to go for the Ex-Nova kill, which I think he could have gotten.
Whirling Death could have just completely whist there, so didn't get the flag wearer.
I fully get the kill. Oh yeah, what happens if we had a little
engagement? What happens if extremes just hunt down the lion at the start of
fight with Kaz BKB or the puck. There's nothing left. Yeah, it's really nice for them.
So I'm not folding on this Aurora draft. I don't... I like this draft the most for
XG of all three in terms of the position they put themselves in. I do think it is acceptable to
some of the laying here from Aurora. And I also think Aurora could just get really tanky in this
game. Yeah, they tank up and they have Ores. I could see the mid game being a similar issue
for actually but they have cash they want they have cash they also have percentage
based damage in the the Phoenix Sunray
now how long is x-mail they're gonna live in these fights up against a
Ursa. That's a different question.
Lane-wise, Ben, Aurora, they need to come out ahead, I assume.
I'd say so. I think...
you want to be ahead in this game.
Not by an insane margin. I don't think it has to be a lane stop for them.
Yeah, sure.
They just want to be getting XP on their cores, mostly.
Like, I think they want a lot of levels on the Timber.
They want a lot of levels on the Ursa.
They want the Viper to have that quick acceleration and either into the booth to travel with the
first ore item, just start doing Roshan's like that.
To me that's the most important part for Ror, is they keep their cores on the lanes and
they're having a good time.
And I think you'll figure the rest out.
You get some Grimoire stacks here or there, the Lion will be able to find a couple openings.
Here's pretty comfortable, it's a very strong hero for them, the way he's played
it.
This guy likes to run around setup plays, doesn't want to be pressured to push waves
are farmed too heavily, and this is a great hero to do that.
It's a box you have some success on as well, I think it's a similar idea.
It can also fall completely flat, this is the type of hero that can just fall off a
cliff.
You don't get some work done.
So very volatile.
It's got that crimson claw though.
There you go, it's worth the money.
Hasted FY Shattershawm are on top.
See the rocket all four lotuses
Maybe because they just got
That's where you need that pot of extra lotus value
Dude, I totally forgot that existed. Oh, that's on me. That's a lot of damage
There's landing up Viper strike on the puck
I almost did the job there. Either way, it's gonna be a lot of damage on mid tower and a lot of gold and experience missing, so it's great time to rotate.
Phoenix through to come in, try and soak some of that, does leave Aume alone, but Aume is probably fine.
Nothing safe, didn't actually go back to base. He's gonna ferry out a healing salve instead.
Didn't rotate the Viper to wisdom trying though, he's gonna be late to this.
It feels kinda awkward while the Ursa is durable.
They'll find that four heroes here. Yeah, just outnumber the heroes and they get to get the shadow shaman on top of that
So this is gonna be very effective for a role
Try plus the kill plus mid tower damage and they will get the other shrine
Yeah, Aurora is definitely gotten the better that this multiple times. They've gotten full strong. Yes early on they're way better early
I don't think actually really expect to win some of these early games. They're just trying to stabilize it not believe too much
loss of XP is definitely gonna hurt this FY shaman over the long run
oh just the D-Word
eventually
right
what?
alright he got it
he got it he got it
yeah he needs that XP
Yeah.
Power room.
Thanks Nova, gotta go for experience.
Shield rune on the other side.
At least it's not picked up by the Viper.
Do you have sticks on the timber? Now, seven.
Do you want to try and fight this kez a little bit? I think it's doable.
Some stuns into the chakrams.
Definitely throwing all me down here.
Well, the only playmaker you have is entirely up to line.
They may have very strong lanes, but Ursa, Viper, all good to stay pretty stationary here
Can I just say the hex icon?
What this cosmetic is like the happiest looking frog I've ever seen yeah, it's really cool. It's really nice. Sorry. Yeah
He is bangin' you lude. I mean not like that, but like he's
Huh?
What?
Just having a good time.
He's so ecstatic, huh?
Grab your dance to Killimera trading off of the supports.
That's not you, brother. That's your interpretation.
Not you! I didn't say anything!
You're the one who said, not like that.
I wasn't even thinking in that direction.
I saw you. I saw your shirt.
No, you didn't.
You think you're so slick.
Let me tell you something, SlipRick.
You ain't, brother.
He's probably the one you've ever seen.
He's banging right now.
Three to three, nine minutes in,
and Aurora have yet to really break open.
a network lead. They have a slight net worth lead off just being a
stronger laning phase team alongside stronger laning phase heroes, but they have the XP advantage
and that's that's what I wanted to see for them. Well, like they're happy with this outcome.
I'm happy with that as long as they make something work with having level sixes before the opposing
supports there. Those chakras, they just continue to trade out supports. Tiki's gonna come in,
nothing today is gonna join in on this one. As is the Ursa, they kill the lion, nothing to
I think the Viper might kill him.
Perry, but they easily get behind the Kez, kill him, and the puck is also going to die to Lauren off.
So that was just perfect. That's what you wanted to see if you're Aurora.
I'm just spam-tipping him too.
Thanks for coming to the fight. We'll collect your life as well.
That's the XP advantage in the nutshell. You have a support that shows up, drops a gold.
That's more impactful than both.
These supports are going to do French G there.
He's not even showing up.
Yeah, what's the Phoenix going to do?
Nothing. It's just not a fight that she can take.
I'm surprised they keep you the fuck in here
What maybe just not expecting support to come from Aurora, but I will tend to bring numbers these really exchanges
If the Earth is showing up there you kind of expect other people are gonna show up
You end up leading two more cores on top of the line on top of the line finding the shaman at the start
And that's the part that you like Deerisa and we saw him
Oh, he just sticks on to the kez during the raptor dancing even if he heals up
It doesn't matter the damage is built up. He's just gonna casually three or four shot you and I think that kind of fight almost guarantees
You'll get the first roshan scheme is a raw
Actually do a slayer so it's not a hundred percent, but winning these early fights
He's gonna it's gonna push your chances up considerable heroes
Like this is about the time actually always makes something weird move to kind of get themselves back
of the game. Well, top lane, the Viper is going to TP in, and the thought about getting aggressive
is quickly dissuaded.
Oh, it's Viper bots on cooldown. They're doing anything with it. Their supports are
just so underlugged. Just don't have the image follow up on these plays.
They've got Superdome at least, but yeah, Serpent Words is going to be a long ways coming.
Yeah, they're going to smoke with it.
Don't know if I like this too much.
I'm going into Viper here with the limited damage.
It just feels so coarse.
Yeah, no, no way.
I think it's one of those games you have to understand the position and play for the overextension.
Yeah.
Kind of bait a roar in half your pull team fight number set up and just counterplay them.
I don't think you can really go for 20 offensive moves here.
You just got to get levels on FYI.
Yeah, you've got coils supernova.
If they overextend yourself, the coil is there to keep them locked down in their
overextension and then the supernova defensively has a chance to actually live.
And then Kez could come in.
Yeah.
Duke has things. You also need Slaughter, Blink, in this game.
It's not like you're super far behind it. I don't think you're too forced to make moves. It's just the Ursa's gonna...
The Ursa's gonna get fat here. I mean, that's gonna happen no matter what. It's quite a good Ursa game.
Nightfall. Not playing Light Stealer again. Battle Fury before 13 minutes.
Fight for strike and trying to force out the supernova.
He is gonna pop it but there's just no way it lives. The coil is gonna go down
but they've already killed the egg. Nothing to say. Three men silence. I mean now
the kids gonna join in and here comes the Echo Splash to finish off at least the
Ursa. The Viper has gotten a reset though. Perry out on him. WS gonna join this fight
slowing down X-XS. No longer has the sprint. He turns around and gets met with a
finger to the face. Big burst damage coming out. I think people will find
Yeah, they're gonna sit down with the Chakram.
He jumps to the other side of it. WS, Timber Long, Timber Chain.
TPs are coming in, though. Heroes are beginning to revive.
They gotta be careful of this situation not to overextend.
It's setting up now for 14-minute.
Wisdom's trying. Extreme.
And no longer having the Supernova.
No longer having the Coil. Can you fight this?
Kinda surprised Aurora back and off here.
Just without some other cores, it's a tough fight.
Yeah, maybe the wise decision, little blink dagger for X success trying to finish off.
That's the kind of fight that I was talking about though, like some sort of bait into turnaround
all their cores combined.
Yeah, you lose egg, that's just gonna happen no matter what this game.
You do get an important core kill out of it, slow this bear down.
It looked pretty good for that brief moment there.
did that uh echo splash it and got the viper as well
they could have kept going stun was important to bail that situation out
you're the one stunning this game
time to rush refresher online then you'll double your stuns
that's just math oh man he's getting sandwiched right now
i don't know if he knows it or not what kind of sandwich uh not a good
sandwich. Think it's like a knuckle sandwich?
He's dead. No, he's not. He's gonna grappling claw. He's gonna Ravens fail. They
do have dust on him though. Tracking him down. Fight for strike. Okay, now he's up.
X-X-X is gonna come in, hits the stun. Fault there from Mera. They try and fail him out.
It's not quite good enough. They do have us through the supernova here on
the side. Lauren, I'm trying to hit it right now. He's not gonna be able to
kill us though. W is gonna come through underneath the egg. There aren't gonna
To take some damage here, can nothing say an ex-Nova close this out for them?
Are these heroes just too damn tanky?
Orb over the top, a TP away, Sunray style, nothing to say, jumps to his orb.
That was not the right play there, but maybe he can still get out.
Another orb jump.
WI's trying to track him down, in through the tree, on the other side,
Lorna very smart, boots to travels to the wave to cut him off.
I can't believe he reorbed in there.
Not sure what he was looking for, maybe trying to pick off this Warlock or something and get out?
I don't think that fight was terrible for actually considering they took it without the kez.
Yeah.
All they just goes out at the start.
The Phoenix did work. 4,000 damage coming out from that still over there.
He had...
He got everything off.
He got a full dive, plus spirits on everybody.
Egg goes off.
It's another dive, spirits on everybody.
That's kind of the dream fight for the XG support duo here, certainly.
And you still lost it considerably, just without the 10th damage.
So hard to power through the Viper sitting in the middle of everybody, the Timber Super
High HP.
WS doing a lot of work here, unchecked.
As the big damage boys go down and then who's that puck at the end?
Not the best, not the best.
Aurora, you get a bit more of a lead, but not too dramatic one, 5,000 net worth lead.
They're feeling pretty good, and they're about to feel even better as Nightfall, whose his
farm was a bit delayed as he's died back to back, now gets to a blink dagger, so the
initiation is ramping up.
Extreme Gamer gonna be hard pressed to hold the map.
The objectives are gonna start falling though.
The only downside of this for Aurora was they lost the
Ursa in particular, was their real acceleration factor here.
So we need to pick up a couple kills.
He jumps in, maybe he'll get tagged, dive away from Exnova.
The rest of the team is following this up, though.
They can probably still get some supports out of it.
Exnova just appears into the trees.
Sunray spotted down here, puts him down.
And the other one, the Shatter Shaman, also getting run down.
So, Aurora need cleanup.
Right back on track.
This may fall or so.
It's gotta be a really fast Lotus Orb for this Timber as well.
This is...
This is a nice build, I think.
Kai Assange into the Lotus. You don't have to ult or rush it here because you got a pretty nice laning phase.
You're gonna be a stomach carry in this game as well.
Big damage threat.
Really nice utility item here.
Kai Assange into the Lotus, so he is gonna go Lotus on the Timber Stop.
Huh?
What?
I was looking at the screen, it's okay. I assume you never listen to me anyway. I mean that's just payback. You've done that to me, please.
I said, what is it? That's no good. They immediately got a Hexton catch. That was not the greatest.
What? There's no way.
Up in the night.
That was like a desperation.
Yeah, extreme gaming feel they feel pressured. Pressured then really pressured in this one.
Oh, look at this timberside. It's Kai'Stange in the Lotus Orb.
That's what I'm saying.
I don't know if you've seen this, but
He is going second item Lotus Orb here. It's gonna be quite good. Oh man.
Once he has it, is it flying out?
It's flying out.
That's an energy booster on the Timbersaw courier,
which I believe is for a second item, Lotusaur, boss.
Hey, there's the Lotusaur, but he went second item, Lotusaur.
That's pretty tight.
He doesn't have it yet, though.
Shackle.
He just put it together, yeah.
Oh, okay, that's big.
Can't use it in that fight, of course,
because he was getting it off the courier.
But it is completed now.
Let's see what WS can do with this second item, Lotusaur.
We got that out of the way
He's the big bad boy in this game. I feel like a lot of attention has been on the Ursa here
Actually trying to slow him down even that Roche contest is like we don't want to let Ursa get away with Ursa Dota and then
The real problem for them is this game is level 15
Yeah
Highest network by a large margin here and of course
Second line of Lotus over after Kaiosanj into the Glacier this could be a nasty little build up here
It's a very surprising pickup. I don't think anybody really saw that coming, but it's a brilliant choice.
Rory straight up, he's actually just getting too damn tanky. They can't...
They are, dude. That's their MO.
Like, that's why they love these mid-utility heroes. They play the mid-utility hero with the two-stem-
Like, the two-stemmy or true carries on the side.
Sometimes even two utility heroes just to make sure Nightfall really has his... his priorities there.
Right, WS going low distortion, it's still a good utility for it's going to help his Ursa as well.
Heroes.
Free those tarmentor, very efficient, go to the other side of the map.
Actually, he's going to get some more damage all the time.
Has to just come from plucking Ches, this barter is not feeling this game, he is dying in this game.
Yeah.
Your Phoenix is dying in the river.
This game is falling apart at the seams for extreme gaming.
I feel like that's- that- the-
Kez jumping in dying immediately.
That's the one person you need to keep scaling up.
Maybe nothing to say to.
He's trying to get an Agatom scepter.
Pretty early Puck-Ags.
Is this- is this the choice here, man?
What's-
You're gonna act cool people and then what they don't take that much damage you don't have any right click
Hey, especially as too early. I think if you want the earlier damage item you're going prasma or even she does for
Little more frontline a little more spell amp
Octarene is also very common. I think we see Nisha go
You know if Nisha has a completely pregame
I think he's gonna go blink prasble octarene just be absolute monster and then later on you get this meal near plus
If they pop Krinsikar they don't take any damage from his hit. I don't see what they'll do in this game.
It's a very expensive item for this early point as well.
Not to mention the extra armor on the Timbersaw.
Alright, from 2nd item, low source. 2nd item, low source. Very strong here.
Level 17 now.
This game is fully in Aurora's hands.
They can force objectives if they want.
They should drop gold and start hitting towers, you know.
There you go.
Definitely go high ground here too.
Nightfall on the hunt!
He's got Bash already.
Easy pickens here.
So I'm trying to jump the uh...
...by the far-ar and his BKB progression.
It's nothing.
It's completely sold out.
WS meanwhile has been accelerated into a glitmere.
Half of the second item is in Los Angeles.
So fast. 8-0 with 230 CS.
I mean, things will get better if they can get to double DKB on extreme.
But, how much better?
Slightly.
He's on back of this game.
There's already past rehearsal on this game.
Ah, I got him.
As you see there.
The Viper doesn't really care about it too much.
The Warlock, I think you have gold to throw in there.
There are tools here to take fights into the BKB.
There's cutting mechanisms for the Timber.
I'm not convinced that something crazy will end all VR here.
It's just Advocates, I think.
I think XTR, they're almost out of this game except...
...Advocates.
You can get the right kind of crush and put that minus armor on a bunch of heroes
because it's in there with a BKB who knows.
Give me some heroes disappear.
Gem on the runoff right now.
He buys an early shard, starts pushing some towers.
Bro's doing a very good job of despite not having the lockdown to really stop these
heroes from being out on the map, they're still catching them or at least keeping
the lanes pushed in.
Oh yeah, they've been playing two or three man little hit squads here.
I mean, who's the travel bike?
I hope you do that.
Yeah.
And in fact, if Timbersaw's untouchable, he can solo down the lane.
Look at him go.
He's just running in there, trying to solo.
He's got a client here on the Shatter Shaman, stopping the TP away.
Yet another pick up for Aurora.
Get the blink off.
You're going to get the puck as well.
Pucks playing around here.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, gotta be got a mirror.
What a five.
Look at what the HECK's big play.
Definitely try and snowball this into more around the map too.
Surprise they didn't gate there. Should we gate at least the Ursa?
And just run down bottom?
Claps at this point.
Could still keep the Viper down here. They're gonna pass Gem to the Timber now.
Guess he will run the Vanguard.
One component left for the BKB on both the Sardar and the Kess.
I'm just not seeing it right.
Maybe you get in the fight, you all in one of these cores, but all three of these cores.
You'll feel some serious damage over a long fight, yep.
success opting not to TP away here once this okay it blinks in TP's it's gonna
have to be a perfect team fight from actually in terms of the Kes and the
slaughter combining all these big targets and staying alive long enough to
at least bring two of these big boys down keeping your support alive man
right as all man went for the wisdom here what an auto he got as well one
I'm the hero to catch these extremely mobile cores.
Mira finds the puck, now finds Aume's kez.
He has been getting the connections
with the single stun they have.
It's worked out quite well.
FYI, that's not where you want to be, son.
Hey!
Oh my god!
He's only level nine.
Oh, and Nightfall, he makes the read that he's still around here.
He's not gonna find him immediately, influence.
And honestly, he's still low level, it doesn't even really matter if he dies.
Oh yeah, he's got time, he'll be up so quickly.
Aurora going to go for a very early high ground push.
I like this, you're super strong.
You have some sustain, you have Solar Crest, the Crimson, the Lotus.
DKB on the Ursa now.
What are you afraid of?
They don't have the damage, no they don't. Maybe they all in one core
But you should still be confident you're gonna win that fight. I mean they else just don't have the VKB
Nope. I mean off of Amé dying there. He lost a decent chunk of gold
So he is still trying to get to his VKB
Take a later Barracks, back up second Roshan. I mean this this game is looking to be over within five minutes
Acceleration is too fast.
Actually, you're trying to gear up for the late game and they might never get there.
Trying to get to this pluck meal here on top of the axe, trying to get to the kez BKB.
If you can get there, I think the game changes a little bit.
Gunpowder comments pretty nice.
Still holding every single tier one tower against the shadow shop.
The magpies are coming their way, go to high ground ward from Aurora, it's going to find
Aume, Aume, it was just one creep camp away from buying out his BKB.
This is crap.
Chicken.
Or extreme gaming.
Chicken down.
I'm gonna run down some lanes here solid chance to end this series right here right now
And her drops golem drops and with the shard on Lauren off
These buildings are gonna melt. Second-Lated Barracks guaranteed a...
They're not even putting airsoft on the Hydra.
Oh yeah, that's the scary part.
The one core you'd like to jump at first in this game is not a hero that has to show for any part of this push.
Mame effectively, when he comes back, he's gonna have to sell his Wraith Band to buy the BKB, and then we'll have one last chance.
It's going to be a pressured one. This Tier 3 is dropping so quickly.
Got a fader war in as much as you can. Look for some big coil, egg combination.
He just said that he does not fell right down from his team. That is...
Immediately wrap their dance off of the initiation from the swaardar. Doesn't do quite enough damage.
The Lotus Orb goes down and he's fine. It's going to be the one to die instead.
Doesn't even have the goal for a buyback either.
Why did he not buy GG?
GG. Here it's done.
I have no idea. I guess I just didn't see a way to win that fight on that.
There's something happening. Oh, that's a quiet exit for XT here in the Game 3.
Kind of swims up there.
Run in this tournament though, which is just super hit or miss.
Not really putting it all together. Just too many early game mistakes and sloppiness.
The plot against big dogs here in Aurora. Finding some form.
Maybe gains some momentum from this series.
Can't feel good about their performance today, I think, where just very solid.
games 2 and 3. Very controlled from the get-go. They got their style of lineup. They got their
utility cores with early Crimson Guards that just buff everybody up. Nightfall and some more
comfortable carries. I think that Life Stealer was just not a game one. We saw the big difference
there. You put up some nice KDAs in games 2 and 3. The WS one is Timber. Oh monster. Of course,
Kaiyasha and the Lotus Lord. Super strong build in this one and never looked back. Really
fast-paced style. I kind of like how Aurora are willing to just send it into
games they feel like they're depending. They're not gonna sit there and A-F-K
on the map. I feel like this is a problem we used to see Nightfall fall into, where
you just feel a little too A-F-K, I need to farm, I need to get four or five
slots. You got two or three of them? Just end the game. Three heroes, Deathless,
Cowery, WS, Lorna, very impressive, and also a second item, Lomisaur.
And that means that Aurora Gaming get to move on in Dream League season 28 and Extreme Gaming
are tragically eliminated.
It's a shame because Extreme Gaming did actually start group stage 2.
These are two teams that started group stage 2 at like inverse power levels.
Aurora was just going beast mode and Extreme, they lost the liquid, turned it around but
then still kind of ended up middle of the pack.
It does mean that they are if nothing if not consistent because they extreme gaming also ended dream league season 27 in fourth place
So maybe we're bumping against the feeling of what this team is able to do with dream league
But still regardless making it to top four no shame in that
Right, I see it's a very respectable results like obviously they want to do better
But they're slowly building up their points and putting themselves in a good position to make it to
EWC, which is the big one. And, you know, every loss is a learning opportunity.
This one, I honestly thought they gave Aurora too strong of a draft.
And it was cool that they had ideas of, okay, let's give away Ersa and we'll
pick Slardar and try to beat them on lane, but then they didn't beat them on
lane. And this timbersaw, I think kind of threw a huge problem at them.
That was way too late in the draft for them to address.
So shout outs to WS for that performance.
Yeah. Speaking of a way you were talking about during the draft itself,
where you're like, are they just going to pick Ursa?
Are they going to ban Ursa now?
Are they then going to pick Ursa?
I think what's really interesting about this Dream League
in terms of the format of the tournament
is that because it's two group stages
and you have this many games like volume,
that what happened was Nightfall was winning with Ursa
and then teams came up with ideas
and Extreme Gaming beat it in group stage two.
And then, but the tournament's long enough
that you've now come full circle
where Nightfall's like, we figured out how you beat it
and we know you're not going to beat it this time.
So we're going to pick it again anyway.
I figured out how you figured out how we figured out that you locked that.
Exactly.
So that's the part for Dream League that I think is very unique to this
tournament because of how many games we see here.
I do think it's a bit odd though that they're like, okay,
we beat it a few times and now Ursa is not a threat.
But again, the Timbersaw did prove to be the greatest threat in the game.
And then it was the Ursa.
So maybe that's where it all started to go wrong.
Layers and at least, uh, Kaz is still in the middle for me.
I'm not considering it to be stellar all the time, even in Ame's hands, but it has its moments, and we're trying to figure out what the priority this hero deserves to be.
And still, I'm not really concrete on a solution of that.
And from my point of view, when you see the Offlaner and then you pick it, that's when it looks really good.
And then if you pick it without seeing what you're landing against, that's where it tends to look a lot shakier.
Or if you're, I guess, banning out the Tidehunters, the Marses, and now maybe even the Timbersaws,
there's solutions to this hero.
Yeah, no, I mean it seems like the solution is for him to be able to, he's going to get
on top of you.
Like that's just what the hero does.
And you get Ursa and Timbersaw, two heroes that, and Viper, even.
Like these aren't heroes you want to be point blank attacking.
So that might just be the solution.
They also had Lyon, which we talked about the immense amount of lockdown for heroes
like Kez. He's basically Slark and PA combined. That's how I'm viewing him. And he also has
an extra silence and a bash. So he's just going to jump around. And you got to lock
him down for a second. And if you don't lock him down, you have to be able to tank through
him for a few seconds. And that's what they picked here.
And speaking of that lion, shout out to Mira. When I get him, he's the only to
save my hand.
And shout out to the man who may have masterminded that entire pick. Because I got coach
Coach of Aurora Gaming is standing by, KP, what a pleasure to see you, I am very curious
about what your team's mentality has been for this past week and how you've been dealing
with that because you guys came into group stage 2 real hot and then it cooled off real
quick so what was going on?
I mean, honestly I think we're a very chill team and I don't think much has changed
even after group stage 1. But I don't know, I think after our first loss, of course you
have to be liquid.
Of course you don't have to be liquid.
But anyways, I think maybe that like we kind of hit like a small like a like a wall kind
of, I think. I think after like you've been winning for so long and then like all of
a sudden you lose is like quite normal to like, you know, have a small slump.
So I guess now I live it back and I'm happy that we are.
I do want to ask about your momentum, because as a coach we theorize that sometimes it may
be more difficult to look at what you had like 29 series wins in a row, like how do
you evaluate a win and still be like, guys, we need to work on this and this, even though
you're still winning.
So like, I'm watching these games like live, right?
So I always jot down these points
where I think we could do better.
And I think all coaches like think the same.
It's like, even if you're winning,
you're always gonna like find something.
That's the order, right?
It's like, there's always something to improve.
There's like so many variables and factors into the game.
Probably one of the most complex games out there.
No flame to the other games, but yeah.
No, Flame deserved because we have a producer who plays the other game and so I'm glad we have multiple perspectives on this.
No, no, no, no. That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
So then over the course of Group Stage 1 to Group Stage 2, did you notice the incremental growth as much as you did going from Division 2 to this Dream League?
I think for sure because I think Division 2 the competition wasn't as good and I think
we really proved ourselves not even just this stream link but I think in the Fischer
LAN because our few good teams were there too so I think just over like these I guess
all three tournaments we like improved a lot and it was only after Fischer and then
now where like we kind of oh okay we're actually really good you know like we have
something. Yeah, I mean you clearly are going toe-to-toe with all of the best of the best and it's
encouraging to see. I also got BSJ standing by for a question for you as well. Yeah, AKP, I was
curious that you know when you joined Liquid and Aurora respectively as teams like I feel like they
were in very different positions like as a team and I'm wondering what it was like for you
like Acklemate, what was different about it, what were highlights, lowlights about joining
both these teams and comparing them. Wait, you're talking about Aurora and Liquid? Yeah.
Ah, okay, anyways, first off, good to see you again, BSJ, I'm still benching 140.
Ah, yes sir, yeah.
Hope to see you at the gym sometime.
Anyways, yeah, I'll see you at the gym.
Train more.
Anyways, I think Liquid in general, obviously we had three coaches, so I think my job
was much easier and, you know, we had really like different roles on the team.
Aurora, I feel like I'm doing a lot more and I think people in general are just more hungry.
I think they're just like, be more like, they want to talk about Dota a lot more.
And I think there's good and bad to this and, okay, especially Eagle, Die 4.
He's the guy who's like, always talking about Dota.
He wakes up, he thinks about Dota, he watches Dota, like Dota is his life.
I think this personality, he kind of pushes the team forward and kind of gets the team
like always thinking about Dota like all the time. So I think that's probably the main difference.
Yeah, awesome, man. Hope to see you around. The eagerness of your team is definitely showing
up. And then I got one more game specific, series specific question, because we were
quite surprised that extreme gaming let the Ursa pick go through. And our assumption is
that they thought that a nightfall may be discouraged after they beat it twice earlier in the tournament,
were you surprised that they let the Orcs to go through?
I mean, I was crazy surprised.
I mean, I'm not going to leak too much stress.
That's fine.
Yeah, let's just say I was really surprised and they banned Abaddon instead.
Yeah.
I mean, Eagle is also a really good Abaddon player, so I don't blame them, but yeah,
thank you for the rest of it.
I'm glad that your reaction was the same as ours.
It's like maybe we're missing something here, but yeah, it seemed like maybe that was the
kiss of death for them and it lets you go on more into Dream League season 28 KP.
Always a pleasure to speak to you.
Congratulations on the success of this team and hopefully we get to catch more of you
guys in tomorrow's games.
Thank you guys.
Peace.
Peace and love KP.
That is it for our lower bracket semifinal.
There is still some more business to damn if I got it.
I've been told to we got some trick shots that we need to look at and Brian,
we need to nominate the best trick shot that you made or that Ted made.
This is the first one. That had a backboard, though.
So I don't think that one's going to be the best one because the Trevi fountain.
Yeah, it's off the Trevi fountain.
This one, this one right here, I think is not going to be my nomination.
Bounce able, bounce, boom.
I just flawless.
Nothing but net.
Perfect.
What about the one that we set up on the...
There's 10s.
Oh, this is 10s.
I thought this was back to us.
You did.
You did that on the...
I'm a shadow in a way, though.
That was just a straight shot.
You're honest, the straight show is hard
because it's out a lot.
It is hard.
But Brian's was cool.
Brian was tricky and the idea is trick shots.
Yeah.
His was actually more difficult, but I do think it does not necessarily, it's not in the spirit of trick shots.
I think yours looked cool, and that would be my pick of the three.
Yeah, okay. Mine was just quietly effective and brilliant, but it was very impressive.
Your splashier and trickier looked impressive, but was less impressive.
Well played!
Thanks, girls!
It's true, but I guess it's true.
All right friends, that is only our first series of the day, but we've got a second one, a rematch that you may have seen yesterday.
Are you ready for some upper bracket final action? You're gonna catch it. It's liquid versus tundra coming up next.
Since I saw you baby, I've been trying to bounce, lift, set, until it back in my arms again.
Then I stay in your mind baby, choose the man I feel a bit lazy, who's the man I'm hanging with?
Oh, yeah
There's a line I've looked to the moon
It's Friday night, it's time to get through
It's Saturday night, and we just stand with you
Saturday night
And you're right
Saturday night
And you're right
Saturday night
Just give me the beat, I just want to move my feet now
Just give me the beat, that's all I need
Just do your feet and let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need
Don't be cheap, don't do it for free
Don't have to eat like an oven baby, give me that love
And ain't me wanna use control
Cause when the bees stop popping and the party keep jumping
Everybody get on the floor
So if you lose your mind and you lose your clue
Then you know what you're doing and right
And if you ain't in the mood I tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet
I
Just give me the beat
I just want to move my feet
I
Just give me the beat
I don't wanna step in your toes
When I see you moving
I don't wanna let this go
Unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done
And it's the truth and it's already proven
In the mix right now
With DJ 31
Killing the ones and poos
Kiss the DJ
Set it off
He makes your body rock
DJ is in the mix
I'm going to step back!
DJ spin now!
DJ Willi D is in the building!
Rome, where the Colosseum roam,
and the Grammusee jump roam.
Love is everywhere, so meet me up there
at St. Peter's Square in Rome.
On the seven hills that swam
The Italian thrills
Cause life is alive when you roam in
In Rome
Rome
Where the Tyber flows yet you roam
Michelangelo's in Rome
The eternal town
Of a man in satin and old
Think of Latin Rome
Like a sense of fun in the world
To the bourgeoisie
With the Roman Romantic
Pussy Rome
It all burned down
As Nero just fiddled around
But right here
Right now
Two thousand years on, they're still only strong in one
Where the fashion king's all grown
Where the fashion's all homegrown
And the guys all stare
While they compare what they done
Girls swearing moon
With its dim lit bars and knights
What the fuck is this?
So get me across the Atlantic
Let's put the lands on Man-It
Put the world on the road man-It
That's Rome
I must get it
Put the world on the road man-It
That's Rome
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Welcome back. You're watching Dream League, season 28, and it's all about hitting the right time in here for the teams because final four, actually final three are known, and it's all about making sure you knock your opponent down and out.
They're going to find out who it is. None of this won't matter for Liquid Tundra.
I got it, I got it, does did anything hit the... hit the camera?
No, there was food that were kinda close.
Yes, there were two that were close.
Okay, okay.
I appreciate it, I appreciate it.
That's Quinn!
And that's Purge!
This is Jenkins, you already knew that.
And we're here to talk about a lot of Dota 2 things.
Liquid vs. Thunder.
But we also in the meantime will attempt to land a trick shot in the basket.
That's the basket.
Does it have to be the basket?
Yes, that's the point, the basket.
I bet there's a cue card somewhere that explains it all.
There's a lot of ping pong balls, hold which one?
Aha!
Would you like one?
Do the best trick shot.
You can place it and replace the cup wherever you want in the studio
and nominate your favorite shot at the end of your shift.
Oh, movie cherry voice.
The most impressive trick shot will earn 15 points.
Just during breaks, also count.
There you go, that's the last set.
That's why we have this.
That's why we have...
He's back.
We went into the back and found Catherine.
Catherine has been found in case people are unfamiliar.
People at home.
Catherine!
People at home.
This cost me $100 from a Swedish women's store.
They would not give it to me and then offer them $100
and they folded very quickly.
Anyway, she's been retired for a while, but we thought it'd be fun to air raid her in the trickshot for all time's sake.
Fire out.
Don't say that, like that.
Yeah, it feels.
That's the best.
Yeah, no, I've realized that. It's like lopsided.
No, no, you've got to catch them so you can throw them yourself.
Nope.
I'll do one at a time.
One of these is going to work. Just keep throwing.
It's almost.
The rounded surface probably didn't help that's what makes it hard. The Amy's honestly kind of tricky
Game better only head can do perfect. I don't think you want to be dude perfect
I'm like, oh, that's like I'm bunting like it's a baseball bat. I can do that. Oh
Oh that was close. Can we have the camera on here actually? No I'm sure Insanity wants to show other stuff. Yes that's right you have seat.
Oh holy trick shot. We put that one up for it. This is our tentatively place holder. That was great. Love that.
That's the first one. I appreciate that actually did go in.
Isn't she?
And I also appreciate the patience that InstaInia has shown by sitting up at the top and listening to us
doing absolutely nothing Dota related at all.
InstaInia is going to change that though right now.
That's where I cheer her and I expect nothing else from you guys.
But now let's get into the Dota.
So, for those of you who missed it, we have Tundra going up against Team Liquid yesterday.
And I want to quickly go through what we learned, or what we thought about that series going into yesterday
and then jump into today's matchup.
So let's get into it.
First up, we have Tundra's key combos and pairings that they've been relying on for this entire event.
It's the Cottle pairings, Tiny, Cottle, and Cottle Ember.
They do play Cottle without it, just not as successful.
Then they also have Beastmaster, which they win no matter what position it is.
If it's Pure, Netta, or BZM, it doesn't matter.
Batrider, also same thing there.
Early on in this event, they ran Largo with Marci.
That was not very successful, so they dropped the Marci part of it and just stuck to Largo.
And ever since then, it's just dubs.
Next up, we have Liquid.
For them, it's the Shadow Fiend. They have the two SF Kings.
So both on safe lane and mid lane, this SF is extremely effective for them.
Expect that hero to be banned and absolutely not given up under any circumstances.
They also have the latefix of Ember and Puck.
This is something that they will look for for Nisha in almost every single game, so you have to keep it in mind.
The other thing is they run this monkey king oracle in some sort of pairing when they don't really know
You know, it's like a just a safe lane matchup for them
They can play against Batrider and if they for some reason let Batrider through it's a highly likely thing that they will look for
We also have some question marks for Liquid
It was their tree and protector and their Largo tree and protector did not look super good for them leading up to yesterday
It was all elves but pulled out the dub yesterday against tundra
So we now have a confirmed tofu tree and is bueno and we approve of it
However, the Largo were still a bit questioning about, they ended up banning it on First Pick
yesterday, which we're going to take a look at today, so they were on First Pick I think
in game number two, as you can see here, oh mega circles, that's not what I was going
for, sorry about that, I want to do this, so Largo ban on First Pick, that means
most likely they don't want to pick it themselves, and that gives Thunder a pretty big advantage
in the series, it's like proven that they don't really feel confident in their
Largo, so probably going to avoid picking that.
Other than that, we also got the Trian question answered.
Tofu does play it.
He's happy to first pick it.
They also were willing to give it up.
So my personal theory of is Trian even that good?
Might be, we get a repeat of today,
where Trian just gets left through.
He did win the two times he was picked yesterday,
so it's going to be interesting.
We also have in game one for Liquid against Thundra
some scaling issues that we didn't like about their draft.
They also played Phoenix offlane.
Hopefully we don't get to see that again.
And for Tundra, I think this Cottle paired with DK, not ideal, but I think they're slightly scared of Nisha's Huskar coming out, so that's why they avoided the Tiny.
But I'm interested to see how they review these things and how they approach it today as we have the same matchup coming up again.
Thank you very much, Yusie. You can come down and stay with us as well.
I am also curious about the highlights there.
first pick is that it's first pick OP is it was this first because I know yesterday
there was definitely a bit of a talk that's the coin toss as I said you had a
coin at the end of the series yesterday as well that was one of the most
important factors when how important is it it is it is very important I
think that was a trick shot they don't count what if I do three times in a
receiver so close we don't feel a hypothetical here no I think I think
The first pick is very important, but I think it's especially important for Tundra, as they've shown to just be completely incompetent on second pick,
whereas I think Liquid has better chances on second pick, and they also have more chances to try things,
because they had the series before the play against Tundra when they were first picked,
and now they can try different bans, different solutions, and see what they want to give away,
because I think Tundra, if you can beat them on first pick, then I think they'll crumble pretty fast, because their second pick is not hot.
But why? Like, how does that happen?
How does a team just get so bad?
Because it's in theory 50-50 that you get first big second pick.
Yeah.
You can plan for that.
It's a little odd.
This is a Dota discussion hard mode, because the distractions are quite...
They're very distracting.
This is painful.
Hard port doesn't bounce.
I was gonna do a trick shot like this, but it just doesn't bounce
What do you guys think are the top three heroes on the patch Largo shadow fiends
What's the third one tree in that's up. I think Largo SF for sure. Oh, okay, I don't think this is as good as those heroes that
That's this up there. I think beast is up there, too
Yeah, but I'm also like a notorious beast like I think this is always broken it is
It feels that way.
On the same nerf to Manicosa Nexus, he will remain broken forever.
What is that? Why did you have those?
You can use that?
I found the laptop.
Yeah, they're right here.
Oh, is the Mackey way there?
Hard surface to make a trickshot with.
I decided a laptop.
We can use these glass.
There's two.
Or a laptop.
What if we like triple bounce off the glass?
Like in the half circle, you know what I mean?
Shoot it.
What's that?
Honorary American.
Yeah, boy.
We should pump.
I'm just curious what you guys think about the SF4 tree and trade, SF4 Largo trades,
like what that does?
I think SF4 beats Largo, if I'm honest.
I mean, it has no offsides for sure.
With the wide camera so you don't miss the real shots.
It's like the wide BPS carry for sure.
Sorry, not that much.
Cause probably does more damage, but that's how fast it is to be second for sure.
What if we just throw a whole box at the exact same time that one of them will go?
That makes it not a trick shot.
Kevin, I think if you're underneath the gloss, it will make it more exciting.
This was right, it actually does hurt your arm.
I feel hard because like every quarter second while I'm not paying attention,
I see something on a periphery flying towards my face.
I gotta angle my thing more.
Yeah, I think I'm trying to shoot it up to you a bit.
Yeah, I'm trying to hook my thing.
with my fans.
I was like way too late.
May I work my tilt up slightly?
I'm learning.
Whoa!
I've been robbed.
You want me to put it like this?
That's too easy.
It might fall out.
Oh.
Well, we tried.
It's easier.
It is easier.
Maybe.
I need to recalibrate, though.
That would have gone in.
Oh!
There we go.
We're going to do the triple glass shot.
Can we like do another?
I have this.
Imagine if I'm throwing it and I'm hitting it, that may
makes it even I really feel like the human like potential of human harm element
would make it more exciting you know what would be the actually perfect way of
doing it you throw to him to him to me to purge her hair oh yeah I know we're
gonna find it cuz these are definitely glass pieces from a fridge I'm sure we
can dismantle another fridge food particles on it I repeat the human
I think it makes it more exciting. I think so too. Oh my goodness, but you need your guitar. Do you have a spare guitar?
What if I did it out? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you know you're an old guitar. I do not feel comfortable holding the guitar
Yeah, the guitar is very risky, Bob. I appreciate the offer
But you did give me a great plan
Idea because I didn't hear random draw over here
Momentous too close ready ready
You wanna get out of the way
My bad, I forgot we're in a studio.
Oh!
That's kind of sick though.
If we start it off like that, we'll definitely try.
I mean, it's going to take forever to do that.
He's going to be having to swing his guitar.
So me to Quinn.
Wait, can I move the stick?
I did make them so much trouble.
I can't say the next line of us.
So you, Quinn, Peter...
It's so loud!
Oh my God, I got the move!
That was it!
This is so loud!
I'm gonna reload.
I can't wait to watch the water.
Wait, wait, wait.
Is there a way like this to microphone?
Wait, wait, watch this.
You grabbed it and threw it in.
I'd throw a trick shot.
No, you've reached that trick shot when you grabbed it.
Wait, Fever, are you aiming at me or Kevin?
You.
Okay.
Okay wait, let's do all five of us, we are not going to talk about Dota even once.
One more guys, I have some really good questions you need to know.
Good drumming.
Mendeleon.
Guys, I need to know, can someone for production tell me if I'm ruining your drums?
There are so many balls everywhere.
Like I got told it's fine
If I push first yeah, but hold it like you need to aim it okay?
Okay, what is the order we're doing? It's you to me do you go?
Just place smoke on the water
Well, I was I'm sorry
Sorry
I am happy we already talked about Dota.
A lot.
This is what happens at the evening.
But that's good.
You can't do it twice.
That was what we did before.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
That's a nice new camera.
We didn't have a camera on us.
Wait, hold.
Is there always a camera on us?
The camera is always on.
Yeah, this one.
Yes it is, okay good good good.
They're always walking.
Sorry I dropped my clicker.
1983.
Oh my god!
Please put it in!
I just tried to move it over there.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Human hormone is the limit.
Okay, I will say...
I will say...
Okay, produce this prisoner!
Dress this wife by the hood!
Dude, that was so close!
And nobody can see it!
We should print it for Lidra, a little bit.
Because it's not as fun if people aren't watching us fail.
When the camera's on, we'll go ahead.
Come on, let the camera's on us!
We're getting ready for this.
Production, you know what to do with that for me.
Hello! Insane, they let Shadowfiend through!
This is Echo and Treehand and Batriders, some of the heroes.
It's project time.
It's frog check time.
Frog or frog?
Frog! Oh, frog check time.
Frog.
Why didn't they pick truth check time?
Uh, I guess it's matchup based.
They think Batrider is getting his tree, and they think Bat is like the more valuable hero.
I think it's really interesting that they picked SF over...
Or sorry, they picked Bat over SF, sorry.
Because Liquid is first pick.
Yeah.
And I also like Tundra's approach a lot, the fact that they were like,
you know what, screw it, tryna ban everything, we're leaving it all.
And we're just banning your specific heroes, right?
Lars, Thunderlord, Ember, Dan-pick, I mean that pick Ember, but...
It's 18, so more likely you're picking Ember on 18
because there's less options to counter pick it,
so I think there's a cool second pick adjustment from Tontra
that clearly did some cooking since last night.
Right, I mean I think they've mapped out
what heroes the Liquid want to pick later on on the draft
and we have a much harder time responding to that.
Like the Ember and the Puck, we can't solve nicely on 18,
so we'll take it flat out
and we'll play a more open draft.
Just leave a lot of broken yours in.
I will say, in my experience,
the only off laner that can actually take it to SF
seems to be that rider because you can kill him if you lane normal and there are
supports involved sure maybe maybe things are a little little more balanced but I
really I really do believe like the kill threat the kill threat of that rider
versus FF is not nothing to be scoffed
We win
We basato, I was ready to run this oh, sorry just dropped the glass
I need to go lighter the promise it has a little too much momentum
Just like Batrider vs SF.
Shattered Demons picked over Treant.
Treant's still on project.
Where are the cameras?
Don't show it off.
They missed it 15 times.
What about the 16th time?
So they picked Shadow Demon of Retreat, which is good matchup against Batrider because you have all the saves.
Everybody that watches this stream has already watched it a billion times.
You're already aware of what skills SD has and how they interact with bats.
But the main thing is the shard purges all of Batrider's stickies, and that's how he deals damage.
And the disruption is a great save against the lasso.
Very true.
Don't think you'd get him pulled if you disrupt the guy that's lassoed though.
They do get pulled, but you can't like, feel damage to them.
You can't change stun them.
And you can disrupt the Batrider, and then you can't pull them away.
And you can purge the Batrider when he has VKB, and then you can't pull them away.
I think that's one of the most annoying things that's underrated about it actually, is that
that always at some point gets BKB and wants to run fast with somebody attached to him
during BKB, and Estee's one of the few things that straight up prevents that.
I mean, if you think about it, Batrider just wants to run around and deal damage.
And what better spell to stop someone from running around than Estee purge?
I do think it's interesting that they picked Shakiro into Shadow Demon.
Typically, Shadow Demon is considered one of the better heroes against Shakiro because
you're ranged, you can disrupt the guy from far away, and I can't even with his own illusions.
And you can also just play this stat game and not run into the super broken lane that
is Shakiro.
Shakiro back together is also like sort of doubling down on the D.O.T. thing that
Aven's talking about where you've got all this damage over time and the guy gets
cleansed and now he's not taking as much damage anymore.
So it's a little bit overlap.
Does it just mean that I want to play faster because of that?
Like does it mean anything I think it definitely doesn't mean they want to play faster like jikiro is always going to do jikiro things the first 15 minutes
The hero is just crazy mode
So they definitely have a lot of aggression potential a lot of gank potential and chat if he is a hero
If he does fall behind becomes a bit of a bot like hero not being ganked and having a solid early game is definitely very important
Hey, this is gonna be some like crazy dives that I'm feeling on the SF in the safe line if it is a safe lane SF I
Feel like it's not that much of a busy Muro. I think it's more pure
I think for Liquid it's a lot more of a straightforward flex where it's like you have two very strong players playing it
I think for Tundra it's they want it safely and they might put it mid if they see something specific
Interesting. Bane's been getting a little bit more popular here. The setup is decent
You have another BKB piercing or ultimate I should say which is kind of nice
You can counteract some of the aggression here and that that tusk would bring
like you can always just nightmare the bat and then the other support is gonna
have to take the nightmare off the bat so back and do his dive so might have some
good solutions to protect the safe lane. Also one of the few fires with pretty
decent armor stats and stuff so descending is tough can prevent us from
pulling waves is like a big key element if the wait lane isn't going well
being kind of like make sure that you're getting nothing out of it. If you
nightmare them while they're pulling the creep waves the creeps the aggro correct.
Exactly. Yeah and then the nightmare setup for requiem is also pretty
nice because SF doesn't actually have to be in position you can like fear somebody
and walk them into the SF. You know it's even better than setting up for Requiem?
Setting up for Races. Setting up for Races. Yeah. So you can start abusing it
already after like level three. Yeah this is an annoying lane combo. You
shouldn't see it much because Bane, other than Tundra, I feel like nobody's picking Bane.
Spirit used to pick this combo a lot. They would play Bane Shadowfiend and they would just
giga spomp the lane. Like it's honestly an insanely disgusting combo. Getting
triple raised in the safe lane is like, is nasty. They pick this all the time in
so we would get owned by it.
Is there an extra woman fuzzy when you hear
any kind of Abba adaptation?
Yep.
Because you're Swedish?
I think so.
I was actually listening to Abba last night.
Really?
I think it's because Dave played it at some other point.
So then when I got home I was like,
Abba, hmm, yeah.
You're stuck in your head.
Yeah, exactly.
That went to an Abba museum yesterday,
so I think we're being for love, Abba inspired you.
Nice.
Definitely don't mind.
My brewmaster coming out for tundra,
so that will be 33's pick.
I like this personally, they do have a lot of damage over time on the liquid side, but
if he manages to not be stunned or anything, he's going to get Bruce split off and it's
going to give them so much needed teamfight, which they actually don't currently have very
much of other than like the big SF ulti and some single target disables, so I think this
will provide a nice frontline to them.
We saw this yesterday too, Thunder played Brewmaster and Liquid responded with Bristleback,
after Thunder banned off Weaver, so I think right now the Liquid is deliberating which
of the two heroes they feel like matchups are better against like the other three
heroes that are in the drops. Do they like the Bristol or do they like the Weaver? I feel
like for me looking at it Weaver looks quite nice. It's only Vayne that's like slightly
annoying for you to play against. But I feel like he has enough coverage. I like Weaver
because I feel like they want to pressure the SF a lot early and Weaver can go through
the portal and do that. There it is.
Bristolback also pretty bad against the single target disables from Vayne and SD. Like
He's like the poster child of the heroes that those guys want to play against, so they'll run in duty, get swept, get purged, get scrapped, all three of those spells he hates, so we were definitely a nice choice.
It's not a very well-fiends grip for the weaver, but as long as they have any of their stuns still available, they can protect the weaver here.
Tusk's snowball is nice against it too.
Oh, that's really good.
Yeah, even just the icebox, they've put in a decent coverage.
To be honest, I think the scheme has a lot of potential for Tusk to do some really nice snowball saves.
If you think about like how the teamfights are gonna go it's a lot of like set up into some sort of combo spell from Thunder side
And that usually leads to toss calving like the ability to
Make some really nice big plays would saves
Oh, let's go let's go this camera's on us. Oh, it's time. Oh, I made it harder because of the
Can't see the same one we have to put more people for a four
Oh
Oh, I should have done it.
Yeah, momma, that was too escape.
You can use it.
A few more mellonetals there, too.
You can pop.
You can hit it.
Use your body, Kevin.
Oh, sorry.
I think having us two next to each other is a little difficult.
You can move your chair.
He went for the head, dude.
Hit your arm.
Oh, Nick, that's shotgun.
Alright, now put it in.
Oh!
It could be that.
You watched me superman.
Okay, I'll pop it up, I'll pop it up, I'll pop it and lock it.
Okay, okay, I'll get it.
Yeah, pop it and lock it.
Oops.
Oh, you're...
Oh!
Close!
Storm Spirits banned out, they just search for the word void, remove them, Sniper Quoth
banned out as well on the side of Hungrah.
We're no longer on camera so we can't let it go.
Storm Spirits will be the final pick, Nisha's choice on Team Liquid.
I mean, I will say Liquid's heroes are very snowball based.
Like, they don't have a lot of team fights, it's a lot of heroes that kind of want
to be ahead, want to be jumping, want to be killing.
So if Tundra can like drag it out and get to a point where they can actually
take team fights, they've got a lot more AWE between Requiem and Split and stuff.
It's not totally one dimensional.
I have a question based on prior Team Liquid experiences.
Do you think they just started for Void?
Wanted to ban out Void Spirit and accidentally banned out Faces Void first?
No, I'm on the couch fever, so there's no risk of that.
But I will say they did a similar concept in their first game yesterday against Tundra 2,
where they had a lot of the killer, strong lane, snowballed the game, type heroes.
But I feel like in this time around, they scale a lot nicer as the game progresses
than in yesterday's draft, where they ran like Monkey King, Phoenix, Void Spirit.
They now have Batrider, Weaver and Storm,
and I think the matchups are much nicer for their scaling.
Though I do agree with Quinn that like,
Thunder has like a critical mass point where the scheme could get tricky.
I like the LHPZM's Tiny here for jumping.
They have good ways to lock down Storm.
Enough to get kills, kind of same principle goes for the Weaver.
But the upside for Liquid is their jump is also really, really good with Nisha's Storm
and Weaver running around.
So if they can find these supports on the backline,
the rest of the team fight gets really straightforward in comparison.
I have a question for production.
play the one we had earlier when we did it with four bounces is that possible it
was during the early part of the draft it was very yeah they have it here come
all well oh that's all now that's us now I just have to show that you more
show that we could use you know they could have given us DHL boxes about
That was pretty sick.
Alright, here we go.
Here we go.
One, two, three, let's go.
Three, two, one.
Pretty decent.
Yeah, I think we didn't do anything in that one.
I did just stand and watch.
We need to fork.
Oh, this is...
We'll get an adventure.
Alright.
I just want to impale Jenkins.
Remember, human horn makes it more exciting for the people at home.
Is the blood gushed from his chest cavity?
No, the potential.
Ooh, that one was the one that should have had.
That's the order.
We're getting there.
That was a hard day.
Oh, that would have been a to-go, I was still hired.
That was my fault by the throw.
Okay, okay.
One more time.
I just got told we got going games, so without further ado, our off-the-record final is actually
a very important series.
One of these new teams will be grand finalists.
And we're going to go to our Cup 13 by some Kukkepondas!
Welcome to the upper bracket finals here at DreamLeague, Liquid vs Tundra best of
three these have been consistently two of the best three teams I would say
sooner along with Aurora and guess what they're all left in the tournament
still what a shock that is yeah and in addition to that we were discussing
whether who would be the fourth best team if that was going to be extreme or
back boom and while we've also settled that obviously yesterday we did settle
that even. Yeah it's gonna be interesting to see I'm pretty sure most people's
power rankings have liquid winning the whole thing if you asked among ourselves
that the things can change they are the overall favorite but I don't think
there's enough of a gap between any of these teams that are remaining that
there's like a strong favorite so I would agree every individual game every
individual series that remains has the potential to go to either team
easily or in an absolute banger of a game and that means generally speaking when
you get this late into the tournament and the teams are that close together in
skill the draft starts mattering even more it's who has the deeper hero pools
who has the better ideas who makes the smarter adjustments. Insanio was talking
about how Liquid ran this similar archetype lineup yesterday and didn't
find too much success in that game with their late game scaling but in this
one it's gonna be better. Tundra are sticking to their guns they're
running Tiny Mith, one of the few teams that have been truly successful with this.
And also one of the only teams, if not the only team, playing Bane. And this is a
hero that I am a big fan of, but I just don't think has been very good in Dota
for a while since the big map to be specific. All this extra farm Bane is
trash at farming, so you need to really leverage the hero's strengths.
Together with SF, that's a good way to start. Yeah, I mean out of the four
supports we have three out of four of them having saves.
Jakiro of course the one left out but that's because it's Jakiro.
You pick Jakiro if it's available as we've seen at this tournament.
Yeah, Liquid coming into this. Pretty much not.
I feel like from the beginning of the tournament they haven't really missed the step. They've been the most consistent.
Tundra they started off very slow. I've gotten a lot
better over the course of the tournament though as Tofu looks to get first blooded. 33
on the brewmaster we'll take it yeah you missed a step yeah well that is the
curse that we've come to know in love love and hate depending on your
perspective yeah brewmaster not the most popular here at the term I think it's
like 12 picks out of the god knows how many games that dream league like half of
them are 33 yeah I was gonna say it's been mostly him it feels like and he
has played this exact matchup earlier in the tournament as a matter of fact
He played Brewmaster against Weaver and he rushed Orchid. We cast that game and it was a really clever solution to the problem they had in that game.
It's great against the storm as well. Not that you're going to really get up close and personal a lot of times, but forcing him to buy the defensive items is very helpful.
I think if he has a good start here he will go for the Orchid again.
The default that we've seen most of the time has been Midas into Ags.
Compensating for a brewmaster is not exactly the best farmer, so Midas can really help you stay at a good level
Seeing a little detail here down bottom
I've been talking to Insania about this the way that people cut waves
So 33 when you pull the waves between the tower you want to connect a 43 situation for your wave
Which is exactly what he did he made sure to get the range clear three plus two melee
So that he now has a 3v2 on the next wave or rather on this one
So he's gonna still outnumber now and he denies.
Okay, now he can use this wave again.
It's a bit technical, but this makes a huge difference for the laning stage.
The teams do this correctly.
I was looking at nothing to say is Shaker game yesterday against Viper.
If you remember, we cast that where he was completely screwed in mid.
I looked over that with Quinn and Insanian and talked about just how much the first
Ten seconds of that lane changed everything for his game ten seconds
Yeah, he messed up a little bit on the block and therefore the range creep of the enemy mid laner got killed
And that's why Viper could just maintain the equilibrium the whole time and just zone him out
You know we've cast a lot of games very small. We've watched a lot of games. That is one. I will not forget
Never seen a mid get that dumpster the thing that was funny about watching that replay with them
Was that we came to the conclusion that what he did was worse than doing nothing because he messed up the block
which was worse than not blocking. So, you know, there's a give and take and 33 is a master of the
little shenanigans in lane. If I think about a technical offlaner, he's my number one. If there's
any sort of little advantage you can inch out from pulling or from stacking or from doing this
and that using mechanics of the game, he will know all of them and he will exploit them however
possible to his advantage. So if that's the kind of thing you're looking to get better at,
that this guy's replays is where to watch.
And how do you feel the Brewmaster matches up this game
when you get to the mid stages?
It's all right.
I don't think it's like a stellar brew game.
You're playing against pretty mobile cores.
They're likely to buy BKVs,
which is the best item against Brewmaster.
But considering the lane match between two weavers
considered one of the harder lanes for Brewmaster,
I would say 33 is doing great for himself so far.
33, getting harassed quite a bit.
Mika is gonna turn this around
with the help of Tofu off the tier of-
J'Kiro and Mickey get to the hill, Cinder and Caster Cursed again.
I've always been playing great on Shadow Demon.
Too dead for Tundra in this lane.
That's a good showcase of the problem.
Brewmaster eventually you get whittled down by the weaver and it's kind of difficult for you to get rid of the swarm.
You can never truly aggress on the weaver.
You can on J'Kiro which is the one kill they managed to get but now it's starting to get harder.
Ace and he gets Shadow raised down,
stick to try to stay alive the snowball actually does slow them but not enough
ace gets killed off by the last shadow race from pure one of the who's the best
shadow theme right now would you say I think in terms of consistency have been
most impressed by Mickey it's Mickey satanic pure for me in some order I
I don't think Ami looked as good as the other three.
That's true. Satanic's game was maybe the most dirty.
He's had some of the most ridiculous gaps, but it's also a little bit by team design, right?
Six-minute power rune, Nisha gets paced, Whitemon, not going to get blocked.
And they're not going to pursue here. RE level two.
Like, is it this tournament or this patch?
Teams are much more open to leaving their supports at extremely low levels.
I have not gotten used to this, yeah.
I think it's a natural development in particular in the offlane that the 4 has to make a lot of space for the 3
because the lanes in general are so difficult that you're starved for experience
and you have to get them online so they can have a purpose in the game.
I would say way more often than not in the games we've seen with low level supports,
it's the position 4 that's the low level.
Because they're dealing with trying to annoy the enemy heroes in the lane
while the 3 is pulling or getting whatever CS they can in what is...
Almost every single game of this tournament, the off-laners and an unfavorable match-up.
So, 7 minutes.
Boxy comes over.
Ari usually one of the best terms of the shadow demon at trying to contest this, but they have the numbers on the liquid side.
33 gets blocked off by the shorts.
Ari's dead to right.
Inside they go, but Boxy gets the shrine.
As 33, all he can do is get that double kill, which is quite a bit, Cinderant.
And Mikkei sticking around with the Shikuchi.
So they end up getting both wisdoms, but it does cost them quite a bit in terms of 33 getting both levels and farm
That was a really nicely timed disruption from Ari. He dodged the swarm, which makes quite a big difference there in his ability to survive
If Mickey had helped the swarm longer, so he could have connected on the heroes that rotated over
I think that would have been a better decision
It does cost them a little bit on the efficiency department
And yeah, the trade I think overall pretty even
even. Given the...
...avagrant skills for...
Oh, it is enough! Mickey gets killed off!
Boy, oh boy!
That feels real bad if you're liquid.
And that's just showcasing the crash landing facet
that has become the popular...
I don't even know what the other one is.
What is it?
It's the one where you get status systems for spring.
Yeah, I mean, I guess they picked that a bit
when Tiny was kind of a carry for a bit.
And Terry Tiny, insurmountable, was the one.
Yeah, you'd never see the crash landing.
I mean, Kerry isn't very good at all.
Yeah.
BZM, speaking of which, gets the avatars, again, the shield run on Nisha.
He's very tanky.
Mikay actually joining this, getting some much needed XP and gold here with that kill after dying in that bot lane.
Instant revenge.
Yeah.
That's a perfect voice line for the situation.
Yeah, Tiny is a pretty good hero against Weaver in the early stages of the game
until Weaver starts getting a lot of HP, courtesy of the level 10 ton with plus 7 strength, and then he's...
Nisha, yeah, anytime you're playing against a Shadow Demon, you know that there's going to be some stacks,
and he steals all of them, or he's going to get a little bit of XP as he...
...ambitiously tries to stack again!
Will he die to the Neutrals, though? No, Nisha takes him, 33, not going to be able to cancel this TP.
I think Naive doesn't even cover that.
I don't even know what word to use, but try this.
He's out of mana, he pops the Storing, and BZM not going to go for the full combo, not enough stacks as well.
And notice how they're playing with raindrops on basically every hero on the radiant, more or less.
I say every, it was 3 out of 5.
Storms are a requiem, meanwhile Top lane, Ace, swiftly killed.
So if we're a little bit late to the party here.
I think Ace should also have a raindrop, to be honest.
This is an exceptionally good raindrop game. You're gonna block shadow raise damage. You're gonna block tiny combo damage
Maybe he feels like you will lose it too fast for the razor ass perhaps, but
Like pretty good value for money item
I was watching 33 play. I think it was brew yesterday in a team fight
He lifted the enemy Phoenix three times in the team fight. No egg used at all
just this hero can be kind of absurd in the right situation as Nisha and Voxy
taking out Ari again suffering from a bit of X lack of XP yep and his defense he
also dies there if he's level seven true so that didn't feel better about
himself that's right it's the mental damage of being 0 for and level 4 minute
1030 on ST that's definitely not good. However, Leibmann's level 6. They have
fiend's grip which is a very good tool against storm. Only need to really
counterplay the snowball as the primary save of the liquid dive.
Ice path I suppose is a little bit of a concern.
Yes, some other interactions. The panel kind of talked about the cleanse
potentially coming out. You have the shard on the shadow, you can take out
sticky gnaepalm you have. Technically the brewmaster can do the same.
Shadowfiend going for Silver Edge against the Weaver, which sounds weird, but now that it's capping your move speed, very good against Shikuchi.
Yep, no cap.
Tier 1, fortified here.
The top?
Use the M with the top back. There's the Grip! Do they have the damage? The cancellation is coming! They get the kill onto Nisha, and they get the cancel on the TP as well.
Well four members of tundra will group up to kill off boxy
They'll make it as hard as possible, but the thunder clap from 33 closes the book on his life
Really nicely set up there by tundra
Recognizing they'll get that moment of opportunity and it was close. They almost got him out of there with the tusk
Almost doesn't really help you're gonna see the replay here, so white mon this full play is premeditated
beautifully set up this is pretty damn close I want to tell you to him surviving
yeah but they have just enough
and now brewmaster has the arcade 12 minutes no boots though oh they're
coming out too this is a moment where tundra really want to get something
done you have primal split ready you just you got mid tower down to about a
third half can look for a smoke play bottom potentially or just run there
pop split if you want to fight you can smoke and try to orchid weaver from fog
can catch the storm maybe plenty of options when you buy orchid of remaster
you want bang for your buck so we'll fall off
It is a different, I mean, you do have to be close enough against Weaver and Storm, you
don't have a blink or anything like that, but it works the last time he played it.
Did he go Orchid first, or did he go Hanimidus into Orchid?
I think he went to Orchid first.
I feel like if you're going this build, you have to go it immediately.
The timing window for Orchid in modern Dota is a lot smaller than it was earlier because
People just get more gold, so they get counter items faster.
Man, some BKB coming items for Weaver, either or sometimes Lincolns.
Assume after a Deso, Mikkei might go shard and then...
Yeah, I guess he wants BKB after that, and then they just need to deal with the Grip with Snowball.
Well, there's the Deso for Mickei as they're gonna smoke up and see if they can get some
stacks on this early on.
I think they want to contest the 14 minute wisdom perhaps.
Nope, they're actually heading into mid.
Maybe trying to subvert expectations here and find an opening mid instead of going
wisdom.
That might be what Tundra thinks they're going to do.
This is not an obvious time to hit mid at all.
They aren't in pretty good position though.
Museum's gonna run through Remney here and try to get the room, but it looks like he ends
up being top.
He's gonna get disrupted by Ari at the last moment, but the ice pack-macro player combo
ends up being an easy pick off onto BZM and make a showcasing his newly picked up Deso.
They should be able to get this tower as well.
How close is BZM to his blink is the question.
Only 300 or so.
Yeah.
Slow though when you go soul ring and face boots, and you only get one kill. This is a quite late dagger
I think things are looking okay for liquid overall
Stealing stacks again
Thank You Ari
Yeah, this feels so bad this is just we have a grip on the ace though pure that's gonna be a beautiful requiem right on his face
Ace! 30 seconds on the deck, that is Ace's third death of the game.
Thid just finished his boots of bearing, so not a whole lot of gold lost, at the very least.
Yep.
Yeah, Pure is just quietly farming up a storm and finding a couple of kills, but he's not distancing himself much from Mick as Weaver.
I think SF only having a 500 lead I would put Weaver in the overall slight favorite in terms of expectation.
What for Yashakaya? I feel like you don't see Yashakaya as the first item a lot of times on SF.
It's mostly Pure that's doing it.
Swine on with the nightmare.
Doesn't have Grip. It's not quite enough. Pure can't finish the job.
Oh, the Orc it actually does pop him in the end.
and ace. Demonic purge now floats to a crawl, 33, trying to get close, BZM brings him closer,
and that's going to be a second kill, double 433. So, getting orchid value already. And
he's very close to his blink dagger, so they're about to have double blink at the disposal
of Tundra. He's super rich. So. And he opted not even to bother with the animidus.
I love the blink rush here. I think it's going to make a huge difference. You can
just initiate for his team blink or kit the tusk and use ult for example or
blink or kid weaver or the storm spirit build around it with the toss back
that's the tricky thing here for the tusk is if you blink toss back weaver or
storm into an orchid or a grip then when tusk tries to connect and help you
can use the other ability to just shout him out so until boxing gets the
Link has to be very cautious.
Easy, Em.
Flinks away.
Heading towards the north, already nearby for the potential save.
Shadow poison.
He's in a little bit of a glimpse here as Mickey gets tossed back.
They don't really have a stun, though.
Is that requiem?
Yes, they timed the requiem.
That would have been pretty dirty.
A little bit more difficult against a weaver.
Foxy, tossed back again.
Orc hit.
Yeah, they didn't even need to bother.
And all five are here for tundra.
they are very scary at the moment.
This was Pyrrha's go-to build on Shadowfiend's tournament, is the Kaiyasha and then goes right click later.
So he gets the early focus on the ulti, and the better raises.
Yeah, pretty cool.
I think we were watching yesterday that one, it's like fifth item.
I think it was Skeeter.
Destruction onto Tofu, and that's going to set up Grip.
And Tundra.
secure and a half from 33. He stood there and waited. He wanted that lasted.
Yeah, he's a greedy boy.
Oh, I suppose getting his eggs is more valuable than anything Bane can get here.
How dare you?
Makes sense. I'm a big Bane enjoyer and I think getting one or two items on this hero is actually
really powerful. One of the only supports in modern Dota that buys Lens anymore.
I was going to say, definitely a Lens hero.
Yeah, there's very few of them left. I think Bane and Pogna are the two that come to mind.
Sometimes lion shatter shaman those four. I don't know if there's any other support that ever really buys it
Shattered him and sometimes maybe after blink
Bzm gets big in our chain room two minutes away from the tormentor and a bkb timing for pure
Yeah, it's under strong right now, but this new item pickup swings the balance Bzm going for a sheva's really fast has avail of
Discord so things are aligning pretty nicely for thunder right now or am I
Ace is going to show on the wave. There's the toss back and the counter initiation from Nisha. Nice disruption again.
Ace will likely pop here in a moment. Indeed, that is the case. BZM gets punched in the air, but able to find the distance,
despite the macro pie being here, they're not really caring too much about it.
There's the Orchid onto the Weaver. Nikkei will be able to Shikuchi away, but unfortunately for Voxy,
He will not, as tofu gets taken out in Thrust, free dead.
They lift the Weaver, they get the Avalanche, they get the kill.
Pure, with the Requiem, four for nothing.
Yeah, they are just outplaying them in this sequence.
They can Roche, then Tormentor, the world is their oyster.
The tossback to set it all up.
Ace has barely played the game yet on this bad rider.
He's super poor, and he's the target,
and seemingly every engage, they make sure
to make the fight as possible. Tossback into Avalanche, Demonic Purge.
Deal with him first. You're actually taking a bit of a bath there in the fire, but...
He's okay. He's got BKB 20 sticks. I'm probably just so used to
Jakiro being on their team, you know?
Foxy. This Cyclone is so nice. Oh, he actually
Cycloned him during the Tossback from Tiny.
Boom. This is a dream game for Requiem.
And now the Aegis for Pure, and almost certainly they're going to be heading towards that Tormentor now.
Link back about 600 away for Ace, and that's when I guess his game can start.
It feels like it's only three minutes ago that SF was ahead of Weaver by 500.
Not 3k.
Yeah, it happens.
Sometimes it goes fast.
Well, Boxley, he actually wants to try to contest this potentially along with the rest of Liquid.
Why one? Run into Ace. He gets through last though. This is on an Aegis target. The destruction is going to save him for the time being. Ace and Tofu are burning really fast to 33 though.
Ari is the kill that Liquid can find right now. Mika has the Shikuchi to the high ground.
And Voxy kind of left alone. Nisha might have to just leave into his own devices to toss back onto the base. Voxy gets the snowball though.
Still alive with that second life. It's a big raise. They find another kill and there's the orchid. Mickey should be dead as well
Is this gonna be another team wipe? Not quite
Good attempt for BZM. There's no way they're gonna catch the storm now surely
Is that a curse?
He's pretty fast. He's got Yasha Kai on Storms. There's the move speed as well. It's gonna keep running. Little horsey action
Oh there we come. BZM, he gets the avalanche. They get the orchid. Now they just need a right click and they will
Well, the illusion actually dispels it.
This is a really light chase.
One more toss for the road and we'll call that a team wipe.
Or tundra.
So double team wipes, Aegis, and soon to be torments,
or I'm sure.
Yeah, this is a team just hitting their stride.
It's been pretty much pristine play.
OK.
All right.
Gracious.
Demonic Purge, and...
Seven.
Requiem.
Seven deaths on Ace.
Seven. That's insane.
Wow.
I can't remember the last time I've seen that. 21 minutes?
Yeah, he's having a tough game.
This is their first pick.
He was close to blink.
Oh my...
Last time we looked he had 1850 gold, now he has 1630.
He has got negative gold in the last like 5 minutes.
Ari...
Oh, he gets cleansed.
I mean what was the other choice?
I guess Bane, not as helpful for the team, but...
If I'm on one, I want more farm.
Clems is so much better this game.
Yeah, Clems is gonna be good. Nightmare set up.
He has Grip as well, but nobody's nearby.
Nisha feels safe going for this rune, knowing that Tundra were at the Tormentor.
I'll talk about an explosive mid-game here for the side of Tundra.
Just everything coming together beautifully.
And now it's a matter of just trying to put this Aegis to good use, you still have two
minutes, there's two or two towers in every lane if you want to try to think about sieging
something, you don't have to, you can also keep playing side lanes.
This is something that Tundra's lineup is really good at, is that every single hero
Shadowfiend is playing with can kill with him very easily.
With Bruvite and Orchid and having split, Demonic Purge is great for Reckless and
This grip is great, tiny combo, so nowhere is safe for Liquid to go.
They're trying to set up now.
They're still defending this tier 1 tower with all their heart.
There's smoke. If they find anything, oh don't let it de-ace again.
Poor guy.
Does he have his blink? Nope. 70 gold away.
Yeah, go back to base and just wait at this point.
But then the question is how much is this blink even going to matter?
Yeah, at this point it's losing some value.
Tundra are playing double supports that can save against Lassa, one of them is a really good one, the other one's okay between nightmare and disruption
and then the demonic purge
plus seemingly in major trouble
We'll work it again with the Shiva setup
This box do you have a blink on his career? Yeah, okay, I was like this guy has nothing
Absolutely nothing
Half the net worth of Shattered Demon
Pure should be able to get this tier too
Yup
Diell's bottom tower is under attack.
I think it was Insania that talked about this, just the basic concept of
when you're ahead, you want to buy survivability and when you're behind you want to buy damage.
Because when you're the leading team, the way you can lose your lead is losing a fight to getting caught off and killed and you can itemize
against that problem
defensively. And the team that's behind, if they don't buy damage, they can't kill you, so they kind of have to.
So effectively, StayTanig on Shadowfiend with that logic makes a ton of sense in this game when you have this big of a lead.
If the game was closer, maybe Pure would be thinking more in the Daedalus direction.
I think it's a very, it's a nice simplistic way to think about the game and to conceptualize as a team how you're meant to play at any given state.
It's like we are far ahead, therefore we invest in survivability.
You just need to not fall into the trap that you end up not having a damage, but that is not a concern for the dire lineup.
And if Esa buys a defensive item and needs to farm of it, well, fortunately this hero gets a thousand gps, so it won't take long.
So Aghanim, Scepter for the Brunel, there's the Aether Lens on Whitemon's vein.
As they continue to group up despite not having the Aegis anymore, the Satanic is almost like having an Aegis at this stage of the game.
to the game. To boxy, dead, and a tier two should be next. I feel like this is the hardest
game boxy's played all tournament nights. She's just not getting stupid. Yeah, between him
and Ace, that's 15 deaths already, yeah. 33 wants to go for Nisha. Obviously has
the manta though to dispel this orchid mckay with a bkb and desol right now
oh they actually cancel the tp they get the dust as well and the orchid and the fiend's grip man
tundra are just perfect today their layering is insane
It's just been powering up as the tournament's going on.
I feel like in this tournament it's very rare to see an offlaner get beyond Godlike on any hero.
And 33 is right now, 11, 1, and 7.
Shadowfiend 9-0-5, so Pure can join him with one more kill.
Looking at the mid tower, and as you said with Satanic he almost feels like having Aegis
with one defensive support behind Ari with the blink disruption at any given moment against Bat.
And Batcant, sure, I mean, you've got Blink Lasto, but...
Oh, you'd finally get the four staff. Okay, that helps a bit more, I suppose.
Man, he is just so poor.
BZM opting for Octorine Core as his next item?
Yeah, I like that.
Look at the farm on Ari. Look at his net worth.
Yep.
What the hell?
He has a free charge, so it's a bit... you know.
I mean, it's 1400, sure. He has a Glimmer Cave now, and I would not be...
I mean, how good is Axis game? You don't really have these melee cores.
Back to back purging, someone like Batrider is decent, but you're probably expecting to kill him in the first one.
So yeah.
Ace looking for his first opportunity to do something, to actually initiate for once,
instead of being the one initiated on.
Smoke from Tundra, here it gonna show.
Of course, being shadowed now by the rest of Tundra though.
Boxing in the tree is gonna pop the smoke. Pure.
I don't know where somebody's probably in there, I would assume.
They back away. So, Roche in 50 seconds.
And with the line up that Tundra, I mean,
how many Bruce splits have we seen, by the way?
There's a punch up. Alright, they get the last note.
And the stun lock, is this actually a kill? You're trying to get the BKB reckoning him up. He does get it but kills Boxby
But it still the ends up dying anyway
The moment Tundra leaves him they jump. It was perfect for Liquid. How close was he to TPing out there?
That was a crucial ward by the way that the radiant have in that area to even tell that this is going on
But I feel like his TP must have been
Less than a quarter of a second from going off unless I'm seeing things again, which would be the first time this tournament
I was hallucinating at TP yesterday.
You weren't.
I was pretty cool.
It was very, very close to being out, but I talked to you with a key timing.
I mean, I just got to pay for it.
For this life.
Having a chuckle, I did something, guys.
And sometimes that's all you need.
Alright, this is a cool play from Liquid.
Into the pit they go 30 seconds without having to worry about pure, and they
They have the Deso, they have the Swarm, BZM gonna try to delay this, gets off the Sheeva,
forces Roche to roar in their face.
They can't do this.
As in Liquid can't take Roche like this.
The moment they get scouted by the Sheeva, they have a toss combo, they have to use time
laps already, they know there's the threat of the blink or it gets split.
They're still gonna chance this, this feels crazy to me.
Swarm again, BZM's gonna scout it.
Oh, the lasso, onto BZM into the pit, 33 jumps in as well, Frenegath is Bruce
But he does the right clicks are too much for BZN make it with a DK be able to finish them off
33 takes out tofus in the meantime as Ari with the demonic purge they get the grip on to Mickey
Huge kill for tundra and guess who's joined the fight. It is a big bad shadow fiend 33
With the lift as ace will die yet again in this game boxy on the run a good attempt from liquid
It was very desperate to try to find something to go their way
They're just gonna cost them dearly.
Yeah, you can understand whether they're coming from wanting to take that with SFDets, like...
Anisha trying to assassinate one support not gonna happen though, so they'll have to be content with their one kill on to BZM.
This is a really good initiation.
Yeah, Tiny is a tanky target, though. It takes a while to bring him down.
down this last second defensive nightmare. It doesn't quite save him, but it sets up
a full duration grip. And they needed all of that grip. Oh yeah, for him.
Okay, this Thunder lineup looking very, very stable in the position that they're in.
And it begs the question, if Liquid wanted to go for Roach there in the 5v4 situation,
perhaps there was a way of having different formation than that, where you could maybe
If you fight the supports, it feels like it's almost a mandatory part now.
If you want to take any fight, you have to kill the Shadow Demon in the Bane.
Brewmaster and Tiny are exceptionally tanky, and with these two defensive supports behind
them, you can kill the Tiny, but you just have to use everything for it.
So in spite of that being effectively a 4v5, you still lost it.
It's made even worse by the fact that you had to time-lapse the first initiation from Tundra, so Mika didn't even have it.
Nice to be off the box in there.
Aegis back in Pure's hands. They got the Roche banner as well.
He's going for a Swift Link Max. Has the Daedalus already in case he missed it.
Feels like he's getting a new item every 30 seconds.
Yeah, as we talked about, Ghostly Tanded on this hero, whatever, 1000GPM, have a moment.
Does end up finding his shard, so AoE, Brain Sap, mostly performing capabilities, but staying alive in teamfights can definitely be helpful if they're grouped up.
Yeah, this is particularly cool when you're playing against illusion heroes, but I think it's going to be hard for him to find more than, like, maybe you can Brain Sap two heroes at once, but you don't even want to be in position for that anyway.
You want to play on max range and getting nightmares and grips? That's the hero. And an occasional infeble.
You can see Ace trying to go for a Lincoln Sphere. You can see why, but even with that, it's still going to be hard.
You have disruption. Just...
To basically save the teammate or the nightmare like he said.
But we'll block the demonic purge, which has kind of been in the bane of his existence, no pun intended.
Yep.
But...
Artunder in a high ground here.
I mean, Lotuses are quite good at this game for Liquid.
See if they itemize for that if they have time.
Opt for the Act on Jekiro.
So that also fits the bill of buying damage when you're losing.
Jekiro choosing to get that over.
For example, like you said, a Lotus or a Warbore, whatever.
Could have imagined.
33 with a Lincoln, so he does not want to get lassoed, it seems.
And there's the Rosh banner. Pure.
He doesn't want Pure to get high.
Yeah, true.
Give him the Lincoln.
Can Liquid defend this?
There's the Zip in. They actually do pop the Lincoln's and they get the last one. That's life number one, 33.
Lefty's the Bruce Blitz soon because Pure is in a very precarious spot. Will BKB and stand there as he's taking all the right clicks from Mikkei,
Attempting to TP after all of that, he gets out!
Ha ha ha!
BZM was trying to save his teammate, he'll find Boxie in the end as it gets glimmered to safety.
Bruce, but it's something to fear, he cannot just walk through those through links.
I don't even understand how he lived that long.
He got caught in the shards and he just stood there for like four seconds waiting for the shards to expire.
They last 7 seconds on level 4.
It's effectively 7 seconds done there if you're not going to do anything.
Yeah.
So, he gets out by the skin and he's like, he could keep you now.
You know? Or now. Or now.
Whenever you want buddy.
How much HP do they have here?
Oh my.
39?
That feels like Liquid could have had him.
Yeah.
If they just committed a little bit harder.
They were expecting maybe some more involvement from the rest of his team.
That was bizarre.
Yeah, they need a force. I mean, he could get Hurricane Pike any time he wants.
All the form that he has.
It's either that or you have to... I mean, this is easier said than done, but you have to be faster.
If he gets blinked last, so if he's shattered, he needs to be there for blink disruption.
It's I'm not quite sure how ace managed to find that so cleanly without getting counterplayed with both supports having at least pseudo saves
But hold it off
They do have one for staff on the Bane
As the electric vortex speaking of bang gets disrupted Ari with the cleanse
And white mom back to full HP because there are illusions actually
He gets blasted before in his trouble, so support killed off for Liquid.
Oh wait, that's really good.
They're getting burned up, it's saved by BZM.
I guess they have a third save on their team.
Tundra will be able to get away with most lives.
No.
They're very clearly aware of the value of Whitemon here.
With him dead, they're not trying to do anything there.
They'll just reset and wait.
Liquid can't really press for more.
Okay, with tiny level 20 talent, that toss requires no targets, another nice save for them as you mentioned, just toss him in the way.
I feel like it should not be BZM's primary responsibility though, and he also can't toss out of last level.
So it's still mainly on the Shatter Demon 2.
Coming clutch with Blink now, chosen by Pure.
Oh, he is pretty decked out.
Yeah, he's not going to scale that much harder than that.
So the question is, you still haven't taken Barracks, you're 14k up, which is nice and all, but
if this game goes very late, I favor Liquid for sure with how Badrider and Storm generally interact with late games.
And Weaver is your 6k behind Shadowfiend, it doesn't look that good on paper,
but once again with every passing minute, your relative strength should probably favor you
with SF not being able to grow much more he can slot out his treads for are you
surprised he didn't go silver edge we've seen like every game yeah we thought
he was gonna buy it against the weaver and the bat right I guess now you don't
do it anymore in this game I guess it doesn't work against Bongo boots right
for that second and a half it does work I think so because it caps your
movement speed. Otherwise it wouldn't work against Shikuchi either, right?
Yeah, but you can't... I guess it's not... is it considered a slow?
Because you can't be slowed, right? With bongo boots?
Yeah, but Shikuchi also ignores slows. Hmm, true.
So... it says you gain max movement speed.
Okay. I don't know, it might be a technicality, actually. Perhaps the wording
and the way they've set it up, it does make a difference, but...
Very curious to see what pure does he will opt for the Lincoln's I thought maybe refresher was in the
Main plans here
To get double satanic double BQB double requiem, but they just want more Lincoln's against bat
Yep, it's safe
Yeah, Scott is 25 now so shadow rays is dirty yep
And this is of course a big part of why this kaiyashikari SF build has become popular is that the 25 town has so incredible synergy with this item.
It can basically weave between attacks and casts. Just one-shot waves.
I missed the old arcane blink.
Oh, you've got yashikai now instead.
Yeah, that's not quite the same.
He'll blink directly on him before they have time to even do anything.
Foxy, you killed off by pure?
Yeah, no, it's just a raised combo.
Foxy, get some time to think.
Looks deep in thought.
Avalanche plus SF.
We'll make quick work of him.
Yeah, should be able to get the linkers pretty soon.
I assume he's getting rid of his boots.
Questions, how much does he care about buyback?
When you have all these tier 2s up, it feels like a lot of times you don't really take
the buyback into account as much.
Yeah, it's probably still as safe, of course it's safe, but it's probably a good idea
to keep your buyback specifically because Roche is on the way, so if you take a
bad fight you're conceding the main objective of the game that remains now
tormentors are not that valuable any longer
oh that's any hero that doesn't have their shard yet they'll be begging for
it there's an invisible top so he does buy out no buyback on the stuff as the
The Lincoln's now six-slotted, is pure.
Looking at an agonist's blessing next.
EZM, like ships in the night here.
Yep, both teams well aware that this is going to be about this Roshan and that the other
team are likely making a move, but this is where it makes a big difference actually
that Tundra did not take a lane of Barracks because liquid aren't pressure to go back
to base at any point.
They can just set up a foothold around the roast pit on the south side
and wait for Tundra to try to make a move
and if they are out of position, if they step slightly incorrectly,
the bat with eggs could find a huge game-opening fight for Liquid.
Imagine getting a lasso on Bat Chatterdemon.
Or excuse me, Bane Chatterdemon together.
Which is not out of the question.
Those two heroes might actually be kind of close together behind the fight.
So if it happens on a slope and they try to
Approach the fight, maybe Ace finds the dream.
Just any two heroes would also be great, obviously.
Okay, they're gonna start off with...
EZM's the one that's spotted. Ace can't quite get off the last one because of the ULZ, or could apply to Mickey.
Look at those raises! Destroy Tofu!
Even Mickey had to worry about his life, popping the BKB now.
He's in the Hurricane Package. They have a full grip onto Nisha on the back line.
So just like that, the fight has turned for Tundra.
Mickey gets avalanche another raise another right-click white mon surprisingly the one with the kill and the yule's cancellation
This is gonna be the fourth kill for tundra. They win this fight easily
and
There are two buybacks. Yeah
They need storm though. Nisha without Nisha. They don't have the day of it. 60 seconds. No storm
So this is their minimum
two lanes I would say
Or wait do they have no waves
I thought they had a mid-wave but they've pulled both waves away, Aston has both bottom wave and mid-wave distracted.
So annoying, I mean he actually gets out too.
That was pretty damn boring, he probably bought them like 20 seconds there.
Wyattmon gonna force Staff Arranged Creep to go to the base faster.
Yeah.
Nice little detail there.
Right, well they get 30 seconds to hit buildings.
That's two lines still I think.
Let's see though, maybe Liquid can scare them off.
Mid lane is a goner, BZM working on the bot, they have such insane heroes for hitting towers
and barots.
Shadowfiend, Tiny and Bruce Split.
They're not going to go for it.
They're going to settle for a while, they'll take the Roche then.
Which is arguably probably better than two lanes.
When I say minimum two lanes, I think one lane plus Roche is actually a bigger pick
up.
And it should be theirs.
I like this play call a lot.
You remove the one.
I would imagine is basically liquid slash giant chance to come back into this game kind of take that away
By ensuring yourself the ages
I don't think they're gonna put it on
There's a lot of goodies in this one. Oh, okay, nice job
He jumps in Requiem goes off BGM kills off Nisha though pure snatches the ages technically as boxy getting it pretty deep
The ethereal not going to help him with that shadow raise.
So just like that two dead again and this is back to back deaths for Nisha.
Liquid they take Roche himself but
did they get any of the goodies Cinderan? I don't think so. The cheese,
refresher, shard, no this is all on the side
of Tundra. Tofu getting chased should be dead here as well.
And now this will secure a second lane
If not more.
33 with refresher.
Explode if he wants to.
He pushes pretty fast as just himself though with this brewed up level 25 talent.
Pretty good.
It's Megas.
Oh yeah.
And now the Ag�ceptor comes for pure.
He is fully decked out.
Mega creeps for Tundra here in game one.
Up 40 to 13. It felt a lot closer than what the score implies.
Now they're going to take these Tier 4s pretty damn fast. 17 seconds for Nisha.
It's liquid. Looked to have one last stand here. Avalanche from BZM.
Actually ends up getting Boxie as well who tried to save 4A so he's just been feeding over and over and over.
Demonic Purge. He actually pops in the fountain. Disruption onto the Tusk. 33.
33 we'll get one of his rulings off and now just focusing on the agent
and another to rip or niche that's three deaths in a row
The divine rapier on a mickade will this have any effect BGM just tosses them back to the trash can aka their fountain
Our company actually taking up quite a bit in this macro pyre
Requiem from pure
Disruption comes out the ancient though all they have to do is focus it as 33 is now doing
No, he gets greedy. He wants one more kill on a MK, pops his BKB still with the divine rapier.
They spot it, they want it. BZN? Not able to get the kill? Actually, he does.
And now the ancient will fall as well. Pure in the fountain.
Holy Heal! With the Requiem.
45 to 14, man.
Under 50k network lead at the end.
Master class, man.
We don't see those very often anymore. The 50,000 wins.
I mean liquid made it
It's good timing they need a little bit of cheering on after that beat down honestly just like you said
Masterclass from tundra. Not sure how the gold lead went from 50 to 49 K after the game ended
Wow, did you see this warline by the way pure 17-1 33 17-1. Yes. Oh my god
This is probably a 31 KDA on the off-laner in this patch is a unicorn that was a crazy performance all around from Tundra just
Yeah, masterfully played. I
Can't really put a finger on their decisions. I think everything went well the lanes the moves they got the objectives
They played really well in the fights
I think the supporting cast and the tossbacks really made the team shine in this one. Yeah, agreed
That's only game one though. This is best of three of course and liquid come back if you ask insane a she ever
I'm sure he says yes
Sure, he'll say yes
Which is I won't even I wouldn't even ask him because that's just insulting at this point
He knows that they will come back
I also want to highlight Ari's right here in the ginger of course very very impactful very good. Yeah, I
Was under the impression that first pick would win games didn't win this one
And I also was told that Liquid would play fast when they didn't really play fast
Yeah, I mean they definitely needed to because they didn't then we saw how it went
I think they
they got all played and
They made little booboo's in the draft and the combination of those two things means you get to lack
Pundra as a top 13 for a reason you cannot be stepping up as much as they did this game big digital way worse
Pundra played really fast. Yeah, I did. I feel like through
Bzm like this guy
Every single time he was on our screen who's blinking in and
Doing some sort of toss back with pure instant kill somebody with requiem or he's playing with
33, you know tossing back into the orchid you have these long chases. I love that orchid pickup by the way like the
No boots. I think he went brown boots eventually, but he went cornucopia
Brown boots into orchid getting that's so early against these heroes is insanely impactful
Like, Storm did try to go for the Manta, Disassemble, Kaya, and Yasha build, but it came out like,
when they were getting completely devastated.
Like, the timing was simply not fast enough.
Like, he needed to rush something.
Something to dis...
I actually think maybe the Greaves would have been better in this game.
Come on, get started.
Given the timings.
Now, and I normally do this at the end of this segment,
but there's something very important that Insane would like to highlight about this game.
Alright, cool. So I took a look at what I thought was the major key element of where Liquid lost the series, or sorry, the game.
They're definitely going to win the series. Only the game.
Obviously, on Liquid's side, they're going to first pick Batrider, and then Tundra is going to take some seconds, and then they pick SF.
And I think this is where the game went wrong. And we're going to see SF just kind of handing it to Batrider.
I think this was the main thing. I think we talked about it in the draft, or the pregame section, where Liquid doesn't lose with SF.
They are the kings of SF, and I'm kind of questioning why they decided to give it up.
And in fact, we all were questioning why they decided to give it up.
And probably, you know, the reasoning is something along the lines of like,
Batrider does well against SF, and we think that Batrider is really good,
and for those reasons we want to pick it, but I just feel like you have Mika and Nisha.
Just pick the SF.
Yeah, and also the Batrider gets the fast boots of Bering,
which is hard countered by SD Ulti.
and some of those mid-game fights, he's got this expensive item, but what is that accomplishing?
It just didn't feel like enough.
Yeah, I mean, I think the approach they took of you ban all liquids heroes, you leave all the
good heroes, and then you say Swapsies, because second pick gets that pick into second phase,
so they got the, not only the Shadow Fiend, but I think the SD on top of the Shadow Fiend was
the game changer, because now, now your batch is garbage. Like these mid-game is trash,
you lose the lane to Shadow Fiend, and then you get ransacked. Like Tundra we've talked
about before, when they have scaling, when they have ease of execution, they can farm it
it up in five and they're not gonna have troubles going later then that's when
they're in there the Britain butter zone I would say this was a way I was
expecting serious to be even it was not even Jenkins do you feel like now that
thunder will get probably first pick of the next game we'll have just a quick
to all in their hands I don't think it'll be a quick to all I think liquid
in general for as long as this team has existed in the current
iteration and perhaps the previous one. They've been a very resilient team. Like, I think that
they're more than happy to just say, okay, that didn't work out. We're not giving SF, G next.
And I also don't think that there's any danger of like, psychological damage. There's so many
G nexts that Liquid has done. Also, they've resigned themselves to second place already.
So what does that mean? They literally said they're just going for second because of
Yeah, but they said that Aurora would take first and this is Tundra we're talking about
Think they don't want to lose the Tundra. I think they don't want to lose the Tundra
That's probably true. Nobody wants to lose and they didn't lose the Tundra yesterday
They were able to do it. I agree with what Jesus said maybe. I was on the same because Tundra is also a resilient team
They're a Brazilian team
I
Brazilian art who knows where their companies is to register
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Guys, we're going to keep doing this, uh, for a little while.
And, uh, you know, obviously while we're doing this,
all the teams are talking about very smart things,
how they'll recover and how they'll potentially win a game.
One there.
Second pick.
Tugger just won a game in their second pick,
But they were also hand the challenge so we'll see what's going to happen game number two coming your way after a break
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Well, we got one more to show you guys.
We did our best.
We will continue doing our best.
There are balls everywhere, Shaver.
Just like I'm sure Tundra and Liquid are also doing their best.
We did not hit anything in our keys, which is impressive, to say the least, but we
did utilize our teacups.
Can we have a replay of the...
Our two shots.
The shots.
Drum.
I think that was the coolest, the power of friendship beats all.
Yes.
We're going to continue trying the one with the larger distance, but give us a moment
also to catch our breath.
It's quite the workout.
I'm sure you guys didn't think that the computer playing the game was also quite
to work out for Team Liquid and Tundra, but they have recovered from their game one, would
imagine.
We're getting ready for game two.
We did give a large advantage to Tundra from the draft on the hindsight, especially.
So we're hoping to see something different from Team Liquid where they utilize the draft
a little bit better to their advantage.
Yeah, I definitely think some adaptations will be good.
I think really the question is, is Liquid, they're probably going to be starting to
click this game.
So are they going to follow suit and go for the route of we'll give Tundra all
the heroes and we'll trade these or are they gonna try to ban stuff and just give one hero because
really that's that's your decisions the leave everything option went really well for tundra
last game but liquid is not opted for that thus far in the tournament so we'll see if they change
course every trades these for a shadow fiend just never works for the non shadow fiend yeah
shadow fiends a bit tricky to trade these yeah it was pretty good in fact the tundra also
has an advantage now right they've established that like they mapped out this leaving all the
the heroes thing from last night and I'll look at as 15 minutes to catch up.
Yeah.
I think going into game two, even if the liquid does
sort of fight the same strategy, they have kind of an advantage on Tundra.
Yeah, that's true.
It's difficult to in series adapt.
A lot of times it's very easy to be outside to see with the problem
might abandon, but from the inside, like everyone in that game
has feelings and perspectives of a holy crap.
Braining balls.
I had a stop.
He's always still in the floor
All right, are you like coming in? Yeah
All right, we have a draft the flicking
Whoa
We have to make it with second. Oh, okay
Wait, what does this thing called like shy Anna
I didn't get it until then.
Okay.
Gaffrin, alright, we have Shadowfeet's first phase banned, Tundra's first pick, wonderful,
and they banned our barrider as well.
So we have got Adaptation Tree Protector, it's still in the pool, previous game it was
second phase banned in the end of it, but first phase it was ignored due to the ban
Shadowfeet making it through as well.
And let's see which hero has Tundra's priority and if it will be, the Tree of Protector.
And it will be, surprise!
Alright, so Liquid going for the path of, you can take your broken hero and we'll just
respond and we'll play a normal draft without tradesies.
Is the path they went for last time and they lost that game against Tree of Protector
in their prior best of three, so they'll need to adapt from the last time they played.
How do you deal with the tree in protection?
What does it do with burst damage?
Burst damage you say?
I mean, you should think of as armor as effectively like a barrier.
It's kind of like using a solar crest on somebody.
It's gonna help that hero not die, but you don't need anything specific.
It's more like the medium and the lenient stage is important.
Some teams will do like a four-man smoke, go to the safe lane where the tree's gonna be,
and they'll cut down like 30 trees.
And that'll at least give you like three minutes where it's hard for him to abuse his invisity
like a free initiation on you without having to protect yourself with a sentry.
If it's 33 offline Triant, then what if they go and cut 30 33 trees?
I think you disappear, right?
I think so.
Yeah.
Why can't you one-shot this character with a Quilling Blade?
That's a great question.
Why can Tiny not pick him up is another great question.
I am so sick.
Is it focused firing a target that is living arm at Rebat?
No, because you take the living armor off quickly because it's like refraction
Oh, yeah
We're just also super chill buying matha now
Or I mean you can buy BKB as well, but my math on this hero is not bad in the least
She's very kiting hero. She's very good. Good street. But if it's like full commit is not near as good
Yeah, multiple dispells for street feels extremely good. I
Feel like the main thing with the servers you need to figure out a way to solve the lane always like
Translating is like a big redeeming quality and I feel like when top teams play against it
They tend to have like strong winning matchups that make it so, cause usually you can't win
the last like war against Triant if he gets to just sit next to the creep waves.
You need ways to harass them and kind of force them off the creeps.
It is 90 base damage, 9-0.
And the most cost effective heal in the history of Dota.
Zero mana.
Zero mana, you heal for like 150.
In Tree's defense, he was asked for a long time before this.
Yeah, but can't there be a balancing middle ground?
We don't balance in this game, She-Man.
Alright, we don't do that here.
Bro, nobody tell you what made Tree bad.
You know what it was before?
Yet, whenever it was in Tree, it had 40% heal amp.
40%.
You understand how much that is?
They nerfed it to zero.
Hero was still good.
And it was still good.
And then they had to nerf Leechteed even further
to make him bad.
So I feel like they truly gave him the pango treatment
and he deserves some love.
I feel like they should buff his W
and it should heal more.
Okay.
It should give him mana.
Chalk or magic and heal?
That'd be fun.
Why not?
Um...
We got a Shodashelma, a timber, and a centaur.
We have a lot of offlaners behind in the second bound phase,
but the centaur and the timber will be the ones that go for here.
It's a little early for a timber pick.
Usually you like to see like two strength cores before you pick it,
but they should be relatively happy.
Like getting focus fired is going to pump up your active armor really quick.
You still have to worry about the magic damage, so you're going to have to double itemize to stop the Winter Ranger from killing you, but the Sentor is not going to be happy seeing this hero because occasionally he's going to just get exploded and fights.
Yeah, I mean it's definitely, it's definitely their, there's sort of their theory crafting against Winter Ranger I think, because they have gotten kind of smacked by this hero the last couple of times it played versus Liquid I think, so this is their, all right, when we play against Winter Ranger we'll pick them or saw it because of the reactive building up.
building up. I mean this also happens to be good against Hunter, which is nice but
33 besides is Brewmaster the Largo and the Bat I have not really seen him play
much else in the offlane so this is experimenting with something slightly
new from this turn out. He may have played it maybe once but not more than
that. So I'm curious to see how it how it pans out because Timber is not a
super popular girl right now and not super good.
I think it probably just as like him going down the list of his heroes a
a little bit too well this gives them some really nice magic damage at least with
the Phoenix I wonder if we're gonna see some spot I feel like I have seen some
Phoenixes go for it against the really hard to kill heroes like Timbersaw and
actually give some kill potential he was more popular than the other one I
think it's nice when heroes have low mobility like Timber chains around and
it's kind of hard to like nail them right with this one quick quick where
just get away from it. How many balls are in the box?
What's in the box? How many balls?
If we want to ball around a little bit before the game, we should have a little bit more.
I'll get some.
Okay. That sounds good.
I don't really like this meaning.
It's good against Triant, and in many ways it's decent against him, but it deals a lot of damage.
But when I look at how the heroes actually play out against each other, I feel like it's
very hard to use dive against Rasta.
You might just get hexed and die.
And on the lane, you don't really have dive to get out of tricky situations because if
you trade with Rasta too much, chain and whirling and you're dead super fast.
Yeah, no, I definitely agree.
I mean, they might be thinking to just put it against Trient on lane.
And that's all there really is to tofu Phoenix with Ace on top.
I just feel like Just For The Lane is not good enough for this Phoenix Hero.
I feel like you need a game purpose as well, because if it's Just For The Lane,
he's just kind of a dude, I feel, who...
he'll cast some spells, but it's not going to do anything against their heroes.
Like, the wait spirit, like I said, doesn't do anything to these heroes in the game.
They're both too mobile. You can't use your spells.
They don't care about fire spirits, really, either.
Yeah.
Is it okay that, like, you compare Super Novel with, like, a cogs initiation
to effectively say, like, we're in a fight here?
Of course, I'm terstun.
Slightly better?
It's just like, if you think about what makes Phoenix the happiest, is that Phoenix is playing against like,
let's say Hero likes them, where Clockwork would cog him, and then you just sunray the guy and he's just burning.
Whereas in this case, you're gonna press your spells on the timber that's in the cog and then he's gonna chain out,
or voids for it that's gonna jump out. So you're effectively getting like half of your value.
You generally want people to stay in place for like extended periods of time. Same with egg, same with sunray.
They did, the blind pick for Whittesbury is interesting because they banned Amber which
is the first amazing one, but there's also Huskar.
I was gonna say I feel like you have to ban out the Huskar now.
You would think so.
I'm trying to think of what their third string is.
For the Quid, you mean?
Yeah, for Liquid.
Yeah, who about that?
Is it?
Alright.
Those are the two obvious ones.
I don't think there's anything super punishing, right?
Yeah, it's gonna be like some 60-40 matchup at Dust.
Yeah, Stormwind just feel like for Liquid it's a bit weird again in this game where
Thunder has a lot of tank ability, they've got a lot of lockdown, and you've already
got some heroes on Liquid that are sort of wishy-washy damage, like if you look at Phoenix
and Clockwork, it's heroes that you can kite their damage very easily, it's all super
reliable, Kintar is pretty low damage, really the only consistent damage on Liquid you've
got is Winter Ranger, the rest of it is a bit, eh?
So if you take a Storm, then you can further play into that, and you can have
some real damage just to get some tree and to get tanky.
And what's the option, like Viper? Just play the Smash to lane?
I mean, it's not a classic Misha hero, but if they commit Void Spirit to mid, I think it's not bad at all.
Like, I think it gives them some more oomph, some more damage. You can be tanky, you can go the right click build,
or the blobby build, like the Lornaff style build, so I could definitely see Snake now.
Is it too weird to go for a sniper?
Generally...
With, like, wind as a carry?
I think it's a bit too ranged, a bit too cowardly.
I think if you want that style, Viper is like the one.
If you want that type of mid hero, Viper, it's like the needs of the game better.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
It needs to also tank here while being like that.
Yeah, it's very important.
There's like sort of different styles of ranged heroes almost.
There's the ones like the Linus and the Snipers and stuff
that are like just super far back ranged heroes
that require much more of someone helping them to actually do stuff.
Like they need specific heroes and they need tusks and things like this to enable them.
And there's like a mid-range of ranged heroes that have like more kill threat, like baked into them,
Vabby, like Shadowfiend with raised flows or Viper with flows.
Like that little bit of something there gives you kill threat with more hero combos.
And certain drafts like are okay with either one a little bit more or less.
I find it really interesting that Pundra's solution to Liquid has been to ban off the puck in the Ember.
Like if these two for me are key heroes that Liquid looks for, like on 18,
but they just moved out to priority so they don't have to think about Nisha like when the draft goes on
They can pick their heroes a bit more freely it seems and it looks a lot more well-rounded today than it did yesterday
In effect the question mark is a lot more like what is it gonna do?
Like figure it out
Yeah, that's a cool observation actually like I feel like liquid was not prepared for this at all
It looks yeah, like they've kind of got them here
They got the advantage coming into every single draft with this prioritization of heroes. It's very cool super smart
well the monitor gets picked it's been a very effective carry for
or being difficult to draft against because you just have this free Ghost Scepter basically
on your hero, you're less mobile, but here's some playing effectively, it's a great civil
edge wire, so not that I really need to break that hard this game.
I mean it's also like a problematic hero, when you already have a lot of problems,
it's a problematic hero to solve in just one pick, because she has a lot of like
very specific things, she's bad against Magic Damage right, so now you're thinking
okay my hero has to deal, like Magic Damage it can't be a right clicker, so like
Viper stalks kind of going down in terms of scaling in the game.
Yeah, I mean, you do have the benefit of you can like buy Sheeva's and be tanky and you can just play through the fact that you're going to snowball the other lane so hard, you're going to be so ahead.
Yeah.
That Winnerger will deal with it or you can play off of Rockets and Centaur being tanky and you use like Stampede and you just kite them more at the ulti.
But yeah, Viper's definitely batting, it's more of that for sure.
Let's go Zeus.
The King of Magic Damage.
The Lashrakh comes out.
Okay that one is probably better than this.
The 1 in 5 is not great.
It does own Timber if you ever roam to his lane, Muerta ult doesn't do anything against
you.
I would just be questioning how is the matchup mid versus Void Spirit?
And Void Spirit is going to build an early vessel.
I feel like that's pretty good against Lush.
It's hard for Lesh to ever catch and kill a Void spirit.
But he should win the lane, right?
He's like a nuker guy.
Yeah, Lesh is definitely favored in this lane.
How much I think depends a little bit on skill,
but Lesh will definitely win by some amount.
I do still worry for the game.
Lesh is very anti-synergy with Phoenix in a way,
because Phoenix doesn't help Lesh do his damage at all really.
So I kind of favor Tundra this game again, to be honest.
Yeah.
I mean, they got first pick as well, so we knew that they were gonna be at an advantage.
That's true.
Uh, yeah, I hate to say it, but I feel like Neda kinda got the better of William Lee in this one.
But, with that said, I don't think it's impossible to win, and this is the only thing that's seeing tier one teams play against each other, is that, even if their drafts aren't always favored, they can sometimes outplay their opponents, and abuse the advantages that they do.
After the back of who would they win this game if they do?
if they do.
I think me and Pasta snowball,
and then Mick has to have a strong presence in the game
for them to win it all.
He's the kill back to me.
All right.
I feel like Lesha can't be pressured
and why worry about him dying a little bit.
And I want to see him have the possibility
to get to solo kills,
and I'm worried with the super mobile heroes,
so he's not going to be able to get opportunities
to get these kills.
You want to do one proper try?
We only have time for one.
Okay.
We'll do it live!
Let's stand up while we do the one proper time.
We'll do it live once in one-
One- one- one- one try.
One- one- one hit, one- one hit, one hit.
Oh, but-
No, that one didn't count.
It doesn't count unless we hit it.
No, everybody has to at least hit it.
No.
Ah, too bad.
Well, let's see what game two brings,
because it's over and two-
for the seminar, fuck your porn now!
Hello, and welcome to the M2!
We can Tundra and Liquid Tundra take the game one of this upper bracket finals here at Dream League.
We got some juicers here, Cinder, and the big story is Tree gets through, and White Mon gets to play it.
Do you like Tundra's draft more as a result, or did Liquid, did they compensate in a way that makes sense for them?
I'm pretty positive here for Tundra overall, I think, in Sania's breakdown of this draft
I thought was very interesting and very true of how Tundra have tried to attack what has
worked for Liquid a lot in their second phase of their draft.
Putting Nisha onto the Lesh Rack that has a really bad track record this tournament
is already a little bit worrying.
He has some good pairings, you're good at playing with stuns, you're good at
playing with Clockwork, Centaur. There's a lot of upsides to that, but the question is,
my worry, do you have enough damage? And I'm saying that for the Leshrac lineup, because
you need to pierce through living armor against Timbersaw, Void Spirit, and wear it to three
inherently... Pyrrhoz that are tanky in different ways, which makes it difficult to go for
the perfect itemization against them. In addition to that, I think Tundra have very
stable lanes here so yeah I'm curious I I do favor them overall but not by an
like a massive amount I don't think this is a landslide victory by any means
and how do you think like this lands hard as well how is this matchup supposed
to go between the boys fear and Lesh and let's watch should get an edge I
think not like overwhelmingly so but you're just gonna non-stop harass spam
with lightning storm you're playing chronoptic nourishment so you keep
getting mana. Topu, he gets dead shot and white mon with the last hit with those
tree trunks for arms and his first blood for tundra. Not a great start
considering part of the reason you picked Phoenix was specifically to lane
against the Trant, but Trant is a god-like lane. It's just super hard
to deal with. We talked about early in the tournament that I was
struggling to find, like, imagining a lane that could win against Triant SF, which I still
think is probably the single best lane you can make on average in Dota right now.
Moritz has up there.
So you've got your work cut out for you.
Yep, they already did their deforestation tactics, but Leimon won't have many trees
to work with.
He's got the right hand side.
Now, we haven't got to cast that much Triant, so to summarize why this hero is so incredibly
powerful.
It's a multitude of things.
The first one is you're a strong laner,
you have high base damage,
and, oh, hang on, Nisha actually,
I'm getting the receiving in there,
you're okay.
One of the big benefits to Trant
is that your carry doesn't have to buy much regen,
if any.
You can probably get by
with the one Tango pack you start with,
because Trant can just use Leech Seed every 15 seconds
to heal you on the creep wave.
He skills living armor,
so he can heal you afterwards.
He can counter ganks globally
by having living armor.
It can swing every individual engagement, the whole game.
His shard is insane in pro play, because it gives you vision that's harder to find.
And his ulti is a PKB piercing root that also disarms.
Pretty crazy, hero.
And when you buy abs, he gets PUUUUTE!
Yeah, that's really good in turbo!
That's right, it is, actually.
Unironically.
Yep.
Oh, shackles from the gaggle.
Inside the cogs though 33 and arie working on boxy a bit. Yeah, they want to get the
Lotus here as pride from boxy, but it doesn't block fully no blocks there in his life as arie getting low
So is boxy. He's gonna have to run back around gets the full shackle though
Batteries always there one boxy the shackle helps him out
foul play activates and eventually arie gets taken out and boxy should be fine now
Cool little skirmish, great place from everyone, but liquid just that little bit better positioning
or rather a little bit better situation for their heroes if you will.
Part of the reason why they picked this clockwork is that it's a very good hero against Shadow
Shaman and you're seeing it there.
Heroes highly reliant on hitting long duration shackles and you can just stop him with
any of your three abilities that cancel channeling
cogs stop battery assault or the hook shot later
are you going to boxy here's to the devil
wants to get the water rune okay let's have it
not ideal
the boxy would have lived regardless because you have formed the stick but
the end of
you know it gets up to the simulate
and will bottle the room obviously living on a healthy amount here doesn't
have a little six
doesn't have that much mobility as Ari keeps Nisha at bay, but BZM gets stuck in the cogs,
bounced around and killed off. That is a huge rotation from Boxy.
Nice hero placement for Boxy, but also a misplay from BZM. You can tell he's frustrated
because he had nine on the stick, a fairy fire, and what Boxy did, it was a little
nice detail there. He placed his hero inside the cogs, so in order to get through
Over the cock those being destroyed by the tower, BZM would have to get knocked back
by another cog first, which killed him.
But again, you use the magic wand there, you use the fairy, perhaps you live regardless.
So, head of a misstep.
Straight back to it though.
Now Nisha is ahead by half a level.
You can take advantage of that.
A lot of bowling here from Boxy.
33, completely burned at mana.
How does the ring of health now though?
Yeah, you can see the mindset of Boxy 2 going 1-2 built, mostly we've seen 2-1 into then Max and Cogs, but he wants the higher mana burn and the longer duration Cogs early on this time.
Yeah, he makes that look good.
Sounds like a very loaded way you said that.
Yep, that was a knock on you. Is Tofu able to dive away here, Whitemon and Ari trying to team up, but no kill will come from it?
Make it look good sometimes, Shannon. It's not always good though. I just haven't seen it.
in it. Okay. That's just, I had like a 10 stream watch streak.
Really? Yeah. I thought you didn't watch streams or anything.
Well I don't. I just leave you on the back end because it's very soothing. Okay, that's
nice. And you're very sensual and sexual and just very friendly.
I've replaced your ASMR playlist, as a matter of fact.
No, it's actually in addition to that. Oh wow.
That's probably why I think you're so sexual actually.
That's disturbing to think about. Nice to hear.
Me on one monitor and half an arm from the other. Great combo.
Not her, no.
OK.
All right.
If you say so.
33, I do.
I would never lie to you.
I believe that.
If Wymane, who's going to connect,
he still has support from Ari, though.
They really want Topu.
The shackle's going to be there.
Oh, this is awkward.
Now, a TP from Nisha with that pulse Nova at the ready.
Ari is Omega dead.
Okay, that could have been worse, I guess, for Tundra. They only lose the one, but...
Yeah, I wonder why they were THAT eager to kill Toph on the Phoenix.
Seemed a little bit like an overplay, oh, boxy.
If he gets away with this...
Clock is actually quite good at this in a 1v1 situation, because you can knock back the enemy with the...
Yeah?
With the cogs here. That's the first connection. He needs this to hit.
Oh...
OHHHHHHHHHH!!!
33!
Alright.
We'll get the better of him here.
Valiant effort. Now he's gonna die instead, but...
It was worth it.
He gets style points for trying.
It was worth the try.
If the bowling hits, he actually gets it, I think.
Yeah, it looked like he would have.
It would have been well worth it.
Why won't he go to the leech seed?
We'll get it. Actually, Huffstomp used to little effect.
Ace left with very little mana.
If you're going to get a dead shot,
Living armor just to get him back up to a respectable amount of HP
Still more action top Nisha makes his way over but can't find a connection
Mars think about it the better this here in a heroes actually is where it's a trend
when you're in
Here's the veil and you get living armor
They'll kill already here just a matter of time. Oh, will the golems kill him?
Nisha gets it
When you're in pierce the veil, good pick up here for me, you'll jump out, sure.
There's a lot of re-epi-pies though.
There's a lot of people in boxy coming from the side, let's have it assimilate here.
That's fine.
You were saying...
I'll try again, I'll try again.
It looks like there's a bit of downtime now, so we actually have a chance.
During pierce the veil, you don't take the physical damage,
and then you get the living armor against magic damage only.
So that means they can't break the living armors without casting spells basically?
Not last basically of this game.
Yeah.
Ace gets run down here.
As we've seen in this tournament as well, one of the highest output carries.
Just does insane amounts of damage when she gets to stand and deliver.
That's what Overgrowth tends to do.
Just get in the middle of the fight, root everybody in place and let Pure go to work.
I think this pairing is really cool.
It's a similar logic to why it's so good with Shadowfiend as well.
Why is there a button on our table that says I have balls in my face?
Who was that?
Was that PSJ?
It sounds like something you would say.
Oh Ace?
What's going on here as the tower gets taken out?
Sure.
How do I know this is not related to the game at all, Cinder, but the Muerta vs. Kez matchup.
How are we going to get that? 33. This is a big kill for Mickey and Nisha. Nisha has been very active.
Yep, they've definitely got value out of this Lesh last pick. It's worked better than I was expecting it to in the first 10 minutes, so this is a very good look for him and important for Liquid.
I think if this is a game where Leshrac falls behind you're gonna struggle badly, but he's well ahead of the Void Spirit
He's up by 1k and this is the not maybe at a 10 minute run
This is the chronoptic nourishment so he can go for towers with that diabolik
Unfortunately for Nisha. He's gonna lose the rune battle again
Tofu will be forced to take it
He's almost about to astral step grab it
I was talking in the green room earlier today, we're talking about what carries are good against
Kaz and where it was brought up by Effie and I think it's interesting to see that dynamic
in play.
Because in theory she should be quite good against Kaz, the funny thing is during Raptor
Dance we have 100% magic resistance.
So she doesn't deal damage to you if she's in Pierce the Vale and you don't deal damage
to her because she's in Pierce the Vale.
So I think she was saying that only last 0.2 seconds though
I think the the magic damage immunity is during the whole spin right? Not just the wind up. I don't am I wrong?
That's wrong. Okay. That's definitely wrong. I will confirm that right now. You don't need to I'm telling you it's wrong
Okay, I don't really trust you. Okay. It's only been 10 years of casting together
BZM level 8 now with that
No, I need your I need your English skills here to interpret the sentence okay? Oh boy
Kaz enters into an uncontrollable state for one second, becoming invulnerable for 0.2 and receiving a basic dispel.
Remaining immune to magic damage for the remainder of the cast and the duration of the slashes.
Do you think that's the whole thing?
I'm like, you're right, Cinderamp.
What? Got him!
Chakram, on the mickey, 33 gets the kill.
That was not worth the amount of build that I gave it.
No, not really.
But it's fun too.
It's to remind everybody watching, there's no Kaz in this game. I don't know why Cinder brought it up.
Oh, that's interesting that you brought it up then. It's kind of weird.
Maybe there'll be a Kaz in the next game though, and then we can help you out.
Alright, well, that's a big kill. Onto Mickey.
From 33 as the trade-off.
Another seemingly... just like last game, this phase of the game, the two teams seem very evenly balanced,
and then it's about who hits their stride when mid-game timings start coming in.
And for liquid you definitely want to keep your eyes on Nisha's Lash.
The side of Tundra, I think this is going to be slower.
You need more airsets to get big here.
Nice tangled shackle shot from mid-game. Nice easy kill.
On to Ari.
Ari with his fourth death.
And in terms of levels, definite level advantage right now for Liquid as BZM was getting gone
on, TP support on the way.
He gets off the distimuli actually wants to turn this aggressively on the tofu.
Deadshot's gonna miss though, dive in the astral.
He's gonna pick out the 2D urn as a good attempt from 33, but Nisha TP's in his
face.
You need to be careful with going for offensive dives like this one, Liquid that are
on the edge.
If a play is on the edge, it fails against Trant.
You have to make sure you have overwhelming damage, so there's no risk of the counter play in that time around Tofu.
Not quite enough.
Right, on going for the, of course, standard Trant build.
That's what you're going to see basically every game, the 114.
Because living armor is the best build this hero has.
Generally it will be an axe.
So when do you think he's buying aggs?
Uh, maybe an overthrow after this if they win, and he wants to have a celebratory game.
Or if it's like a 100 minute game and he gets six slotted, perhaps Axe is his seventh item.
Sounds reasonable.
Yeah, could be a thing.
In the end, every hero lies at it.
Every single one.
Wisdom Shrine's incoming.
Yeah, Whitemon can play on his nature's guys here.
Radiant's middle tower is under attack.
Nothing else he can be annoying to Ace.
Wait, what? Wait, what?
Let's keep switching between the cameras.
Awww.
He chickened out!
Boring!
You gotta stay there until they show up and kill you.
Come on!
This is another play that Trian has.
Notice how Whitemon ran up the right-hand side of the map
and placed two sentries to block both camps.
So now Ace is going to have to open those up to be able to farm them again.
They're trying to hunt him. He gets even scan as well. Whitemon just avoiding death at every turn it seems.
Serpent Warts placed on the top so that should be a free tower now for Tundra. It'll be the trade though.
Laid Mal was being purchased for 33 as this first main item. Lash plus Windranger. Feels good item for sure.
And Nisha went for grieves, so a way to get out of overgrowth is what I would assume that is.
And primarily, also BGM gets his axe at some point.
Or a Vessel, which it seems like he won't.
This burn into other items seems to be the trending way to build Void Spirit this tournament.
But as for most Void Spirit games we've cast, he is in his usual position.
Sixth on network.
Yep, looks about right.
right that damage though ace has to use stampede just to run away I mean 33
numbers on general he's gonna continue gets the twisted chakram the regular
chocolate enough for the kill will he be punished though boxy gets the hook shot
tofu in the airy with the fire spirits egg is placed and 33 looks to be down and
out
Pretty even trade, 3 for 3, but as in position 3, 533.
That's right.
But you fought a rotation out of liquid defensively.
Timbersaw is richer than the Centaur though, so a little bit of a gold swing, but the
rotation carries some value in itself, so I don't think 33 is too mad about that.
to acute on the rune, but this top, with the Invis for VZM.
I don't know if I'm going to be overstating this, but this first tormenter feels, I mean,
it's always very important, but if you can get the 50-50 on tree shard, that feels
like, ah man, it's like the best shard.
because liquid don't have inherently natural deforestation heroes. He already bought it.
Oh, yeah, he rushed it. Okay. But I mean, regardless, if he didn't have the gold,
where the point still stands, but Whitemon's game is good enough that he got it in time.
Yeah, fair enough. Some players we've seen not buy it and hope for the 50-50.
I'm a bigger fan of buying it straight up at 15 minutes. It's a game deciding item a lot of
of the time. At this level of play finding one maybe two moments of opportunity because
you have trees where you could never have placed wards. Those kills can easily be worth
way more than the 1400 gold you paid for it to begin with. And it gives you purpose in
the game which is also honestly important for Train because the biggest problem this
hero has out of everything in the game is that you fall asleep. So having something
to look forward to and to do is very important for the player. Just walking around, placing
word.
Yeah, 33 looks like he's about to fall asleep as well.
Oh.
Now he's keeping.
They gotta be careful though, not to cut trees trees with timber, not the best friends.
But they'll set their differences aside to beat Liquid, that is more important
than old rivalries.
I'm likely with a smoke here.
33 would be a big prize, the blade mail though.
I won't keep them relatively safe in these fights, already though.
Actually puts down his circuit ward.
That's not going to do much.
Give some extra gold over to Nisha and Mickey, I guess.
Nice little handicap for that.
the force staff for pure into the eventual hurricane pike so able to get out of the cogs.
And see how these teams position now in the next minute and a half. You can see some
eyes in the forest towards the top of the minimap. See if you can get vision on this
eventual tormentor to come. I don't think either team are going to attempt a rush like we've seen.
The radiant is pretty good at though. Gas will step, Aether remnant. Nice silence
from pure to set this up and get the phoenix that's a cool combo the aether remnant into the calling
it's a nice setup um but yeah i think tundra can actually kill roshan very fast if they
put their minds to it shadow shaman wards plus more it's a ult is a ton of damage
here just by me yeah with the aether remnant the right clicks he's gonna pop pierce the
develop boxy's gonna delay this a bit but the overgrowth comes out holding
Nisha in place as boxy just getting hounded by pure who gets shackled over
the focus fire to come ace will keep for the hook something get him no he pops the
lotus pure gets forced half away as well as BGM now he's taking the damage and
that means liquid on the run gets a shackle you can see the stem
target the precarious spot here gets eventually right click down by
Tundra as they have the numbers.
Some beautiful little details there. Getting the Aether Remnant onto Windranger to stop her killing him gives the Lotus over to Pure.
He gets his Pike off.
All the little things need to combine there, but first off a great snipe on to Nisha to start the fight.
This Overgrowth is great.
Give them two kills.
He already used Greaves. Now keep a look out for what happens to Marta here.
So Remnant is gonna cut Mekke off and then the Lotus from BZM and then the Pike
and actually Pure can shoot I think soon here if he wants to in this course shot.
They're about to expire, he maybe could have fired like one or two shots but
that's it so probably wouldn't have found that kill but they get the Centaur
which is also a great prize. Yeah so first engagement of the game goes
Tundra's way in space as they find another pickup on the boxy and a buyback because it's the 20-minute mark
Yeah, he has to be there for the tour
Aether Remnant they're gonna find Micka he's in a lot of trouble gets Ward trap dead shot
Decimulate disintegrates him as Nisha with a beautiful double split earth
Chakram's coming though is 33 getting quite low
He dies first surprisingly enough despite being the tanky Timbersaw
but regardless, Tundra are winning this fight easily.
Nisha, the last remaining member,
gets hacked speeds in the tree line.
Aether Remnant hits,
and that's a full team wipe for Tundra.
Feels like a replay of Game 1.
Really does.
It's like even for about 15 to 20 minutes,
and then Tundra just smashed them
two back-to-back fights once again.
This was a six for one with the dieback on the clockwork.
And you're looking at an 8k lead pre-tormant
Boxing is way ahead of his team here and just gets nothing out of that first life
33 picked up a gen by the way, so I didn't realize that was an additional
Who in the figure? Although he ends up dying so who ends up picking it up here? Yeah, white one has it now
And it seems to be difficult for liquid to get their damage out they're heavily relying on getting DKBs or
or getting good value out of their Manta on Windranger against Triant.
Thunder seems to have a very, very good understanding about this team matchup today.
No one's stranger is to making grand finals as of late.
Indeed.
I thought this would be the term that they've been dropping off a bit as of late.
They are clutch, no one can deny that.
It's pretty impressive to watch them have that ridiculous 5 final streak at blast, of which they won 4 I think, into then getting a really bad result and then immediately bouncing back.
It's like, okay, we had an off event, we're gonna figure it out. A lot of the times teams go into, when they hit a really fat winning streak and the slump hits that much harder, it seems like they've just got it all figured out.
Closing in on...
I wouldn't say I'm shocked if they were to win this 2-0, but the passion in which they've done it is more dominant than I thought either team would look.
It's not over yet, Sun.
Not over yet for sure.
AZM jumps in onto Tofu, meanwhile, pure as the recipient of all the damage from Liquid, they take him out easily.
Easiest curse of my life.
You are just a fucking god.
Or are you the devil?
Are you a demon?
Demon? How is it possible to cast people this easily?
It's amazing. I feel nothing.
I'm kind of accustomed to it at this point.
I mean, that was after winning a full, a couple of team wipes essentially into Tormenter,
which 33 ended up getting the shard by the way, the Flamethrower.
They only lose two here, so it's not disasters for Tundra, but...
I will say this is one of the few things even when Tundra are playing their best
I feel like pure has one or two of these moments in most games even when they're winning or end up winning regardless just
It's a great punish from liquid, but at the same time where it's a probably a little bit too far forward there given the
protection she had at her disposal
I think that plays fine if you have ages, but
It effectively kind of played like he had Aegis in that spot and just got 100 to 0 without getting anything off.
He's back on the field though, cuts the lead down by about 2k, so not the end of the world for Tundra, but...
Liquid just need a little bit of something to get going again.
And I was already painting the picture of how Tundra were kind of running them over both games, but...
These little slip-ups, you make them a couple times too many, and Liquid will capitalize in a very big way.
It's a nice ward, but it will be spotted by the tree.
33 is so tanky. Blade Mail Vanguard, Pype.
Does he go Crimson just for the Windrunner at some point? Is Hookshot?
Another pick?
Now Ori, another death to his name, now Shiva's up and running for BZN as well.
Yeah, thoughts on Crimson? Because it's primarily magic damage and then there's Windrunner.
Yeah, I don't know if you invest into this for the sake of protecting your...
Like, who are you worried is getting focus fired? I guess it's my question.
If you're worried about the focus fire on the Morita,
then you just need to make sure she gets her ulti off and then you have nothing to worry about.
If you're worried about it on Void Spirit, you need to... again, all the cores are actually
decent at surviving Windranger, right? That's the thing. Yeah. Moirta presses one button,
she lives. Void Spirit has two options to get away. You have life, you have living armor. So
really, the only person that dies in the focus fire is probably the Shaman, but in spite of
that, 33 still wants to buy it. I guess if you already have the Vanguard, it's just great
value and it's not only Windranger that hits right the other heroes will do
some attacks here and there here and BZM right into tofu they get the silence
from the calling easy kill again ace has to stamp eat away this might be a
Roche setup potentially you didn't use is that a big enough bill if you drop
serpent warts and pierce the veil you can take Roche in like 20 seconds they're
They're gonna get a second one now, the bonus kill helps.
Maximizing the stun duration there is Ari, Remnant, perfect spell casting.
And there we go.
They didn't even use the Serpent Orcs, it's just Timber plus Windranger, Timber.
Not even fazed by Roshan.
It's outrageous.
Way above the average time of the tournament, 26 minutes for the first kill.
In spite of that, Tundra is still with a big advantage.
Usually when you see a team with 8 or 9k at this point, it's because they've used Aegis to their advantage.
They've managed to get this leap without it.
Which makes it all the more impressive.
Definitely a little unusual.
Arcane here, or BZM is going to love that.
I'm assuming they want to save it for him.
Got a full minute on it.
And yeah, the map is shrinking now for Liquid.
You are being...
Playing from behind against Triant is a nightmare.
You get cornered on the map.
plays trees in the last bit that you have. And then if you start playing out like this,
Triumph will have the vision you don't expect.
Nisha leech seed to start things out. The split are okay, but it might cost him his life.
So the scouting was there. Not the right calculation from Whitemon to stay alive, but
this should be, well, Micky isn't the area now. There's not much. 60 seconds of no
No Lashrack and again another calling on the Phoenix, Tofu dead again without getting anything
off.
Foxy has to bookshot teammates just to get out.
Put down the Cogs to slow them down.
These guys are on the bottom here.
Oh, Aether Rimden just out of range of a hero.
Let's kill off the Centaur creep though.
This should still be the Wisdom Steel, so adding insult to injury.
Back in the 10k lead, and yeah, even though Whitemon, a very rare mistake from him actually kind of jumped the gun, I don't think he had to go that early. Let's check was in a good position. You could have waited for teammates to be a little bit closer, but you should have got out of it what he could.
Still, that is largely the problem. When you start getting cornered on your side of the map, the way pro players will find the farm is to go deeper into enemy territory where they usually don't have so much vision, but Trant can just see you.
You don't have, you have no clue what he could see you.
We get the hookshot on the white one. Here's the shield rune, so deceptively tanky.
Not tanky enough though. It's also the overgrowth of the instant manta from Mikkei to get out. 33 with the chakram being set up next to the shackle from Ari.
They're gonna try to stampede into a retreat, as looks like tofu is the sacrifice, although Mikkei actually stood around a little bit longer to try to fight this, to get the focus fired as well.
Onto pure, that's life number one. 33 with the blade bail. Mikkei with the DKB, so he's mitigating all of this damage.
They get the Timbersaw in the end, but BGM, he's not done yet, wants to astral step in, gets one support, Nisha next on the list
And now Liquid have to retreat. They found two at the cost of three though. Every trade in Tundra's favor
That deadshot hits, maybe they get a hex. That was really close
Either way, it is an overall victory for Tundra. They get two, get value out of their
Aegis, in a sense. The trait itself of the fight was pretty even on gold, but you're the ones getting map control, you take mid-tier 2, you're the ones who are ahead after the fight end, so you can get wards out, you can clear areas.
Look at this. It's actually very important here that Weidman finds that exact rune, otherwise he probably just dies on the spot and it won't be dead by now, but this overgrowth, even though Mikae removes it immediately, buys the time for them to get a Shacklon sent torch, of course I'm stampede.
And this yet again, this is just nothing tofu's game. I don't think he's been a single egg
There has been a super no he keeps getting assassinated by the voice spirit over and over and over again
Zero seven and seven on tofu the one of the James Bond's four line, but a lot worse
And so with that, Tundra's lead has expanded to 13k as BZM.
Getting close to finishing Aged and Scepter, so you have the Mantis Thal, you have the Greaves,
you have, I guess you do have BKBs, but just having these second layer of silences,
I mean, Tofu's game just got worse than that as well, because now you don't even
need to set up a calling which is a little bit more difficult than just
jumping and hitting E. It is pretty impressive given the circumstances that
he has a shiva on Phoenix but you know what I mean you're not really feeling it
though that he was getting tankier in the fights. I'll see if he gets my face out of it. This would be a good start. He is always the one to tank the
gank it seems. That shot hits tofu but they want to claim their
pride. They want to get access to the Tormention but the vision is
Logging away, the jump in, Nisha has to pop the BKB in retreat again, overgrowth on basically everybody, 32, finally the egg is placed.
And with that, Thunder will back away temporarily, Ace gets the hookstomp into the double edge, into absolutely nothing, because Boxie hooks his own teammate and now they're just melting with the pierced avail from Pure.
Too dead for Liquid as they run away in shame.
Oh, I've been there on Clockwork, obviously not often, because very, very good at hitting Hookshot, but...
Yeah, you were really good.
Man, that is so unfortunate.
Oh, I'm making it. This would be a huge one, probably the biggest kill of this fight, attempting to TP out.
He's fine.
Damn.
We got a replay of that. It's really unfortunate.
To be honest, I don't even know if it helps Liquid much if he doesn't Hookshot the center.
I don't know if they're in position to win that fight, regardless.
If only he had the other fast Hookshot, where you Hookshot your low cooldown and you give him a barrier.
Right, that's really good.
Really good, fast.
So, let's look at the replay here.
Liquid's feeling confident. They have a 5v4, but you are going into Trion's house.
And Trion has eyes everywhere.
Knows exactly what's coming.
They forced out the egg.
And sent far as BKB as well.
Now with this engage, Hookshot is intended from where to?
But instead they end up stacking for each other.
I see, I see, I don't think it matters. I don't think that was even a play to begin with.
Sure, you get a little stunned on the more it says she's just going to turn on Kill you both anyway.
There was not enough follow-up, Foxy frustrated with the situation, understandably so.
Liquid have been so good all tournaments.
Today they may be finding their match. This lead is almost eclipsing 20k at half an hour only.
Right now with Yasha Payet and the whole another pick-up on the box.
They got the tormentor shard for Ari so foul play a little bit more powerful
We've talked about damage rune on void spirit being insane
Martha shrug it off there. Mara might be the best in the game. Maybe she's also very very good with it. Filthy
Easy in there with the double damage just kill boxing two hits
He's looking for more he wants to find a secondary target ball he has the rune running about 10 seconds left on it
The liquid are hiding away in a corner. This just means that white man gets to place a vision
They're effectively
Cleared the whole map on tundra, so they know liquid must be in their base
This smoke not connecting
We'll give them the information that liquid now have to spill out in the bottom half
So if you had another smoke or you
Fancy your chances with the high ground play. That's exactly what they're drawing now, actually.
You have to guess whether it means go here or don't go here.
I am assuming what it means from Ari is they must all be here, which was almost true.
Another rune. This kind of shield rune for Pure.
Do they have anything to remove this with? No ULs, right?
No. They can't get rid of the shield rune.
If Pure were to fight, he'll have another half health bar.
It's a pretty big deal.
Liquid left a high ground defend at this point.
And it's a little bit longer, Roast and Average, two minutes.
Tundra, they're gonna keep expanding their lead with this much map control.
Looks like Swift Blink is next for Pure.
He's actually gonna buy his own shard. Wow.
I forgot it was retroactive.
Just so used to supports getting it from Tormentor and being underwhelmed.
I wonder when this was worth the first shot at 4 years ago.
He is going to get jumpy forces, BKB and Greaves.
That is an excellent trade for Tundra.
What's that?
I didn't say anything.
Before that you said something.
was not important. Okay. I definitely was not listening. Thank you so much. Oh, now I remember. It was
about when... I wonder when it's good to buy shard on where it took the 4-year-6 squad, if that's
ever the case. Like how many kills do you need to have? What type of game does it need to be? He
did opt to buy it before Swift Blink, so he did decide here that that was worth more...
So 12 stacks. ...than the Swift Blink upgrade for the value for money.
Is that 12%?
It is. It's 2% per print.
So she has 54% spell life steal.
I mean, that's pretty good.
I think so.
Or is it...
I'm guessing this 12 is the number, not the number of stacks.
Because each stack is 2%, I'm guessing she has 12 plus 30.
It's still... I mean, 42% spell, I'm 4.
1,400 gold during your ulti?
Not bad.
Oh, speaking of doctors.
Oh, there it is.
We get to see the Doctor Muerta,
aka Doctor...
Doctor Dorkian.
Tofu, silence, up!
We've seen this many times this game.
He's on the deck for 50.
Just an easy assassination for Tundra.
I feel like when he roaches up.
You see games like this of this quality with these good teams, you can tell while Tramp is just banned every game.
Yep.
It has lost games in a decent amount actually, but whenever you're in the favorable position, it's just so insanely constricting on the map.
They're not gonna get here even.
It's close.
More so with DD just taking Russian fucks and guns.
She did use her ult, is it gonna open things up onto the Lash, Nisha?
I'll just be popping the BKB this time, yeah. Holding it close to his vest as the gem is going to hack.
They use the stampede so they can't ward trap.
Now the circle ward's on cooldown. Aether remnant not hitting.
Oh, I say that, that's the short.
He should eventually brought in, but no follow-up, so Tundra gonna back away and head to the top.
Pure level 24 now.
Not too far away from that 25 talent.
Which I assume he would take the Gunslinger chance, but the other one is excellent as well.
Especially the Dax.
She does not have BZM.
Kind of forced the issue. Pure jumps in really deep. Again, the silence onto Tofu! He gets off the egg this time!
But does it matter? It's simply cleaned up by Pure, who pops the BKB,
gets off his ult as well as Mickey and Nisha have to try to run away.
A nice shackle onto two though. Instant hex onto BZN, who was pursuing Nisha,
but Mickey's the one to fall instead.
Triple kill for Pure, and they're gonna get basically everybody,
and literally everybody, for the side of Liquid.
Tundra are just on it today.
They came to play, look at this damage, almost 10,000 damage.
And they're just going through, and GG's called, that's it.
So Tundra make it to the grand finals here at Dream League.
Liquid go to the lower bracket, they're faced off against Aurora tomorrow.
And I think Aurora are going to be very happy they got to see this series.
I think perhaps some potential weaknesses in Liquid's way of drafting
exposed here by Tundra's side.
By no means wasn't it the players that backed it up either. Tundra played incredibly well both games,
but this is the hardest time we've seen Liquid themselves have with stringing anything together.
I think really for me the absolute key in these games was the way they forced Nisha to play compared to a lot of the games we've seen Liquid win.
It's off of these like snowballing storms, embers, etc. mid-heroes for Nisha.
In game one they gave him the storm, they shut it down, and in this game they forced him onto the ledge who...
I mean he was top hero damage in his team, he didn't have much to work with.
Alright, that's maybe a little bit on false core perfection, but...
What can you do?
Andra are headed to the grand final, Shever.
Thank you very much, that's kind of a syndrome, there's a little bit of salt in the wound rubbed there.
Liquid to have to, well they still have a chance of making it to the grand finals
and just have to go to the lower bracket to do it.
Tundra though, looking on fire, they looked like they had Team Liquid figured out from the get-go.
And yes, maybe some people will say Liquid did this to themselves, but at the same time,
I feel like Tundra crafted themselves quite this solid game here, Jenkins.
Yeah, this was really amazing tech from them in the draft.
Like Aiden beautifully broke down, limiting Nisha's hero pool.
It really does feel like he has been completely on fire for this entire tournament, partly because he's playing Ember Spirit on almost every single game.
But when he does play these heroes, like the ways that he's out playing teams, it looks like he's on a completely different level,
and it just simply does not look the same when he is on Blash Rack.
So Kudos to whoever came up with this tech on Thunder because this series did not seem close at all,
Very few teams have been able to take it to liquid like this in this tournament. If any this might be the first time Dave
From weakness in about a week now
Yeah, I mean I think 33 and tons are some of the best preppers in the last several years when you play series against them
They have some of their bansers incredibly precise
I think they're really good at identifying what about your team makes you tick
I think they figured it out for the series
I think that's honestly super impressive and you know we talked over before
I think it's the key to the series and I think now if liquid want to have a chance against them in
grand final if they can get past Aurora then you have to, the thing is Aurora is
going to look at these bands and say yo this is some pretty good type. That's how you do it.
So tomorrow when you play Aurora you're gonna have to figure this out too like
people are gonna change their bands, your weakness has been shown. So
you're vulnerable to every other team too now. That's boogie, I wonder how liquid
if they can get past the next stage, how they're gonna adapt if these guys
play again. And it's rare in a tournament where like the team you're
about to play against in the playoffs is a team you play like
immediately before at the end of the group. That was like a cool thing
about group stage. There's a chance that they if they do make through low bracket then they
just play the series. That's great. I've never seen that before. Yeah that'd be really interesting.
But yeah the Lush Rekt just shows to be not that great. It's okay. It does damage. It takes
towers but you can take that with other heroes I think and then you don't have like a weak mid
who's like when I commit hard with a blink dagger and I'm squishy a little bit like you need to
be able to kill somebody and he just doesn't do his damage fast enough anymore. People have
mobility so the second you're not stunned they leave. Leshrich doesn't have enough
stun to like stop that for long enough it's just it's hard.
Yeah, you're doing okay.
No, no, no, he's okay.
But he's not allowed to wait, right?
He's dumb.
And I got to talk to BZM, A BZM, congratulations on the ground, finals!
Thank you.
How are you doing?
Hello.
I'm good.
But, um, finally beat the beatable, feeling good.
The unbeatable?
You guys, I feel like you guys beat Liquid, obviously not yesterday, but pretty frequently.
It's been 50-50 this year, no?
A little bit?
I don't know, but of course I'm just talking for, you know, the recency.
That's right.
and it's been only them and Aurora that have been causing a mess, you know.
Yeah. Are you also talking, because I would imagine you guys also scream a little bit
here and there. I don't know how that's been going for you guys, and if that went different
for you.
I mean we did but obviously with this schedule you maximum have time for like one or two every
two days so we mostly did that pre-dream, do you know?
Yeah that makes sense.
I have a question about game one, how surprised were you guys who got your hands on Shadow
Fiend?
Second pick?
I mean, it was either that or the other way around, it was either going to be us or them having it, and it just depends on who is more confident with what, and I guess they just chose to put a bad rider into it, so we know.
Well, it seems like they chose wrong, but I also have a question.
Okay, so before Dream League you guys played in Blast and it did not look too hot
You guys struggled a little bit here and there and then you come into Dream League
And I think your first two series
Were not the greatest you tied both series
But we were like oh, you know what stay is is thunder really in and I was hoping you could tell us
What is the difference between pre-Dream League tundra and and right now like what do you feel like you've improved on most from then till now?
I would say mostly just not feeding during mid-game, late-game.
We improved a lot on being boring, swash discipline, you know?
But sometimes, or not sometimes, most of the times it makes you win games.
And I don't think we were doing that as much before DreamMake.
And as we have played 20 or 30 games here, it starts to get better, right?
It's fair, it's fair. A lot of games definitely help to work out on a lot of those issues.
And I will personally, and I don't think there's a lot of people that are finding you guys gameplay boring right now.
I also had a question if you have, at the moment, a favorite mid-lane or to go up against in the mid-lane? Or least favorite?
You mean player or hero?
or hero?
Player, player.
Um, right now, um, right now, I mean, Misha is honestly maybe the best, and then, uh,
I would say maybe Waranoff, maybe Waranoff.
Okay, okay, that's fair enough.
I also have Insane here, he also has a question to ask you.
Hey, what's up, museum? I was curious, if you got into a pub with Amar, Crystalist and Neda,
and you had to pick one of them to win the pub, who would you pick?
You have to play against the other two.
Me and Amar always lose, first of all. Me and Amar never win,
because every time I flank his team, he goes carrying, for some reason.
There is a reason that he got kicked playing carry.
Nick might know, like...
So...
So, Crystal is your mother, who do you want?
I mean, I just hate that everyone picks Netluck, cause he's like, overrun.
Cause they think he's value pick, but...
I just don't get him anyway.
Like, I just keep on, every time.
Probably Crystal did it.
Alright, cool. That was my question.
Alright, you already mentioned Lurenov and Anisha.
I got one final question for you BZM because one of those two is gonna be in the grand finals against you tomorrow
The play against each other in the low brackets. Who do you think will come out victorious there?
I have no idea I think
When they played each other last time it was pretty cool. So I
Imagine it to be the same scenario once again
That was Aurora winning from no that was liquid winning from Aurora. I wasn't too well
You think that again? Same result?
I think so, I think so, but when people lose, like we did yesterday, they tend to learn, you know, so we'll see.
That's true, or another way of looking at it, you guys expose Team Liquid weaknesses here for the first time in a long time,
and maybe that's going to be like, you know what, we're just going to take that and steal it and do it as well.
I mean, you can say that, but it depends on, you know, execution.
That's fair, that's fair.
Well, looking forward to that Grand Finals, either way, congratulations again at BZM and
we'll see you tomorrow.
Thank you.
Tundra making it to the Grand Finals, our first Grand Finalist.
That is pretty hype, I will say.
It's also pretty hype that I think Jake is for the first time ever as both predictions
correct.
The 100% win rate!
Yeah.
My predictions have been really fucked up over the last couple of days.
There's just way too many upsets.
It's hard to pick the team that you think is worse.
Ah!
Truly, everyone who's noticed is so close.
Everyone's so good.
It's been really good games.
Really close games.
As we do have the predictions here.
No, you're the only one!
You're the only one that had both corrected it.
Well, pretty impressive.
I will say, to be fair, the two exceptions to my ruler.
I always pick Paravision, I always pick Aurora.
Because they're my neighbors, I don't want them to shit on my doorstep because no one needs this crash.
No, he does not.
So anyway, obviously I picked Aurora and Tundra, yeah, I just had a gut feeling that they had this draft thing in Stania was talking about that I definitely predicted as well.
You actually helped them with the prep.
I did, yeah, I was on the phone with her.
Thank you, just gave them the idea.
Yeah, Amanda, whoever it was, and said, you know, ban out that Emberspear, ban out that puck.
With that also, because this morning it was actually Perion edging ahead, but now it's even again between tap and Perion
And with only one or sort two series to go. There's no way anybody can top those two
So it's really is the cap versus Perion show tomorrow. I think it's interesting
How grouped we actually are between like 25 and 20 points like pretty close, and there are some odd players
Oh good not as extreme as I could have been though 14 because they lost today
But how many series are that total and their 30 series total so if I would have gone against you the whole time I would be at
26
Really? No, that's not 30 because I'm stupid. It has to be more than 30. It has to be more than 30. It's way more than 30
There's no way that Ted got and also it's not 98%
It's harder to predict because the previous group stage was three options rather than two options
I don't know, but if I go against you next time, I should be doing pretty well.
Just be careful on the Aurora in a pair of vision days.
You just have to be careful on those, because those I will always pick.
It was 48 total series, but it gets messy with the TIE potential.
Yeah, those are hard to predict.
No wait, I didn't actually catch that.
Did you actually help Thunder with her prep?
Yeah, I did.
It was open.
Relax, dude, you're not on the team anymore.
Why are you hitting me?
You don't like Thunder.
I had fun.
Alright, calm down. You might wonder why we have a gigantic box of ping-pong monsters laying about
if you weren't here for the start of the show or even for the in-between of the show.
Yeah, you might be utterly confused.
But confusion will be taken away because there's another competition going at the same time
and there were challenges during the day between morning crew and evening crew.
Today's challenge was hit the best trick shot.
Okay, so here's what's going to happen.
to happen. Twist out. You're gonna have all the power. We're gonna play four clips total.
Two clips for morning crew, two clips for evening crew, and in all the clips there will be one
trick shot shown. So four trick shots total, two for morning, two for evening, and you
have to say which two, because you have to combine the which two are the best. So
you choose for one of the shift morning crew, evening crew. It's just that simple. Which
one is the best. Oh, do they actually have to choose between four different ones? Can we do one more?
Okay, you guys are ranking all four. That's right. You choose which one, which single one
trick shot is your favorite one? We try, we rely on you guys.
Sheva, what happens if one team wins first and fourth, but the other team wins second and third?
First and fourth. I think it's more, I know, because I think it's percentage based.
So we're just, and there's no way they're going to be 25, 25, 25.
You would think so.
I'm saying we've messed up some polls before.
If somebody has more channel points, do they get more voting power?
Like, should we be...
No, no, wait a second, I remember.
You remember the T-shirt one?
That's the first overall.
You were first overall?
And I think that's why we won the challenge.
But I don't know for sure.
I feel like over gets first points.
How does it work, Doctor?
First is what matters.
Yeah, I feel like first and fourth is better than second and third.
Standard pro player viewpoints.
Look, I'm just happy to make it deep into the night.
I have a lot more seconds than first, alright?
But I feel like first is truly what matters.
Okay.
You just have to vote.
One, you get one vote and unfortunately I don't think
channel poll is going to fail.
One vote per Twitch account.
Per Twitch account.
Yes.
Look guys, you know what to do.
You don't have 100,000 friends.
Yes.
You guys have Twitch Smurfs, right?
Of course.
Yeah, who does not?
Mine is called Sheaver 2.
I'm sure.
Okay, you're friction number one!
Morning crew.
That was kind of mid.
Wait, that was playing this game.
We missed it.
I played it again.
Oh, I think he just hit the lob shot, right?
Yeah, he just hit lob shot.
That was kind of nice of you.
Also, they had like a ton of balls in there.
To like, step in the...
That was pretty nasty.
Bounce on the table, bounce on the thing.
He's got two bombs.
Bounce on the desk.
Bounce on the...
Oh my God, these guys are cool.
Oh, the back spin!
That was a backspin and well drum, glass, glass, guitar!
That was crazy! Can we see that again?
But we saw periods twice.
Right, we need bookends.
Yeah, yeah. Did we do double embotons? Because otherwise it's unfair.
This brand comes a late nature, by the way.
Look at this!
Hello?
Purge throws drum, glass, glass, guitar.
It's not a guitar. That was the most controlling.
There it was. What is it? It's a...
Uh, this is the thing the Largo plays.
Yeah, loot. I think it's a ukulele.
It's not a ukulele.
What is it? A mandolin.
Oh, it's a mandarin.
Mandolin.
No, the Star Wars...
It's a Mandalorian. It's a Mandalorian.
Ah.
Vote for your favorite trick shot.
What is a trick shot?
Ours also had like so many things.
We have a teamwork friendship. I think the teamwork is big one. There's was very individual as it was
Teamwork is important. I would like to say that Kevin also did say isn't Brian technically night shift as if like me and Quinn
Yeah, like subtractions from this level
It's it's you guys are evening shift. You're here of course, so yeah, that's how it works
I genuinely think this is the first time that evening shift deserves the win
Do you want to look at the art behind this again?
Objectively speaking, it's the first time Evenyshift did a better job.
What did they talk about the art, okay?
Objectively.
That was the most...
What does objectively mean anyway?
It means, in my opinion, something.
That's what counts.
In my opinion, this is a great time to bring up the schedule though,
because we have two series left to go in this Dream League
and they are going to be happening tomorrow.
We're going to start off with the...
Wow, that was impressive.
With the lower bracket finals, Team Liquid vs Aurora.
I remember that when this series was on,
I was so happy because this was,
very much, I think, a grand final worthy series.
I can't remember why, but I remember the wishing that this series would last forever.
Yeah, we all said that.
Yeah, we said like, just do tomorrow, we'll do Liquid vs Aurora four times,
and we'll just go on like that.
I think it was two really banger games.
Yeah, I thought I went three games.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I was three as the second and third game is what I was I see
Yes, like the first one was okay. And then the second two were like insane. And also, I think we consider them very very high skill
Yeah, like not just tons of mistakes like very valid mistakes from both sides
It led to interest. I will also say though that was the series that ever since Aurora lost that one
They suffered a little bit
Okay, we did say in the interview that they did like kind of struggle a bit because they have such a long winning streak coming
Yeah, but they've kind of like gotten around it
And I think it's very natural where like you lose a series you haven't lost for a long time
You have like some breakdown of like what I'm wrong. What could be done better?
Yeah
Are we like how do we fix the issues that we have and now they've kind of done that so I think they're coming
to the series a little bit hot whereas I feel like liquid is like a
Little bit draft exposed if I'm honest it seemed that way at least on contract me a BGM
The one side is execution which surely it is, but from a strategic standpoint I don't think it's been challenged the way they were until today.
But do you think that because obviously Aurora recovered, it took them a little while but they did recover, do you think that Liquid would be able to recover as well?
I mean, Liquid's good at that, I think. But I think for them the challenge is finding replacements for the things that are taken away from them.
And the cool thing about this series is, you know, Tannetta has inside information on Liquid, obviously.
So he's been part of the drafting process and knows like yeah, what they'll might do which players have what limitations
Yeah, just you know that but funnily enough KP also does that
There's interesting aspect of that in the series coming up tomorrow. The only people beating team liquid are former liquid
We even have one on the panel. Yeah, that's my dream. We need
All right. Well
Okay, we have we still have a couple balls to shoot here
There's still one order of day, but we'll get to that in a second.
But I think you're just doing it. You're not moving the leg correct.
But it's not even close.
You're also using like the foot side, which I feel like it's way harder than the big.
Oh, actually, that was close. Jesus, not as easy as it looks.
There's somebody at home who's very excited about this.
All right, leave Jenkins be.
Leave Jenkins alone.
I do think that honestly the prep from Thunder is super impressive and I
Question if Liko do you want to fix it because Aurora is just here to have copying it tomorrow. So
Can they not just pick Nisha's hero earlier?
Because you know they can just when they have first pick
They can pick Nisha's hero on 20
I think 12 but I think it's the point is like that they are picking his heroes like in the right spot of the draft
And Tundra made sure that they can't do that. They can move up the picks, but then the heroes don't pick as nicely as they would be before.
And I mean, I honestly think the kids, like, they're not... It's not like me showing the face of two heroes.
No, no, no, no.
And I think their idea of how to win this draft was very reliant on those two heroes.
And that's what I think Tundra kind of figured out.
And now Aurora tried to set up situations that they can abuse in the same way.
I don't think it's as simple as just copy the bands.
This is also way too entertaining.
Yeah, but I'm still surprised it hasn't happened yet.
Statistically speaking.
That seems like a very complicated equation.
That's a crazy thing.
The grouping is not good on this.
Statistically.
The thing is he's changing the way he's holding it.
Well, if this is not statistical enough, we have a statistic for you right now
as we do have the FT Leaderboards show you guys.
This is including the points that they have received, and that's why Tundra is so high up there,
because guaranteed Grand Finals for them, Aurora Liquid, they're still on the running here, the rest though.
Keep in mind, Top 12 is what gets invited directly to go to Dota 2 at the East Perth World Cup in Riyadh,
and it is Team Spirit that has won the previous one, and therefore they will be invited as the defending champions.
So depending on where they end, it might be top 13.
At the moment though, obviously they're not in a competition,
so they're slowly dropping a little bit.
We'll see how far forth there is also still ESL on Birmingham
and Dream League season 29 on the horizon.
So a lot of things can still happen in that time.
And keep in mind, Dream League season 29,
the invites of that will be decided by ranking after Birmingham.
So, especially 14 Liquid who is not going to Birmingham, they need to do very well if they
won't want to be stuck in qualifiers which they have proven to struggle with since they
didn't qualify for Birmingham.
What do you think about that, Aiden?
They're struggling in qualifiers or not wanting to get there?
Like, they're trying to not get into the qualifiers or?
They're struggling to go through them.
I think they were a different team at that point.
I think if you compare the team they are today and the team they were in the calls,
It's like two different horses. That's fair. We'll see how they look tomorrow. Care for that monitor secretary and some bozo
Nice secretary. I kind of I kind of want to wait until we hit but at the same time
Wait, how many balls do you have left like none for okay? Well, we'll wait until the balls are gone
No pressure, but everybody's in they started playing music
I don't know the production the pock jampanas everybody is waiting for these final four shots
They better be good.
Okay, that was unfortunate.
Two.
Oh!
Okay, okay, okay.
Pretty much who we love.
Alright, let's go drinkings. You can do this.
No pressure though.
Alright, that was not bad, but you can do better.
That was the best one.
We got very close.
Yeah, throwing it in, that works as well.
Thank you so much for tuning in tomorrow. We'll be back now
We'll start a little earlier again compared to today. The first series is at 1 p.m
And that means three shows live at 12 30 so make sure you show me up again for the lower bracket finals
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