I've got through the situation, no more hesitation
Focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And less apologies won't get you far
It's unimaginable that we're the one
But we're the one
Don't say sorry for who you are,
And this apology won't get you far
Cause I don't know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And this apology won't get you far
Cause I don't know that you know that we're in love
That we're in love
I don't want to be a hero
No one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
No one can do
Like the one you knew, just how you feel
All that you do, the one you knew, like you
When the angels see you do it, the prompts in the end get due
Ain't nobody does it better
When the angels see you do it, the prompts in the end get due
Ain't nobody does it better
If you want what you need in this world
All you need to do is say, yeah
You have to be the best one to say
And you show them how you do
Just how you do
How I got you through
Just how you do
I bet you do, I can do it, I like you
Just how you like it, girl, just how you want it
Your dream will take a trip to New Orleans City
I'm repping, clad in love, champagne and fine wine
Lying in a cab, driving to my beach
I saw you find his friends, probably don't count
Just for you, yeah, just for you
Cause you're his inspection
Of the time that you meet you
I'm assuming just for you
Just for you, yeah, just for you
Cause no one's gonna deal with what's tonight
No one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
No one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
But hey, nobody does it better
I'm the hate to the sea, you do it
Nobody does it better
No I can do it.
Just how you feel, just how you feel.
All that you do, know that you do.
Come down, and come down.
Just how you feel, you know that you do.
Come down and come down, and come down.
Come down.
Come down, and come down.
Everybody does it better.
You need to look out for the hand, you need to look out for the hand
We don't want to ask for more
Nobody does it better
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching high
I keep on loving emotional
I keep on reaching out, I keep on reaching out
You gave me, but it's not enough I want you to open up your heart some more
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is what will get me right
I'm a big hearted woman with a big appetite
A double dose of love is what will get me through the night
Look at me in my eyes
I want to see my whole reflection
Knowing I'm all you see
When I'm thinking of you
I want your body and your soap tonight
I'll wait my love on high
I
Just sleep, just move your body to the middle of it
Just leave
Just let the duty take control of you
Just leave
Just for goodbye to the truth
Just leave
Just let the music take control
Just let the music just leave
What are you gonna search?
And there's a thing to do
Girl, I just want your mind
It takes so very long
Something goes off in my mind
Every time I feel you lost
Like a dirty spark
You just can't control
I just have to think to fly
I feel like I'm on a high
I just can't describe
Very lonely
Just so easy, so easy
Love, just a drink and all
I wanna leave, really
Take my heart and breathe
I'll pass this line
Just leave
Just won't goodbye to the music
Just leave
Let the music take
Just let the music take control of you
Just lay
Just move your body to music
Just lay
Just let the music take control
Just let the music take its thing
And so once we get to life, I'm like the horn of high
I just get this run, run, oh
That's so easy, so easy
I love, just to turn it off
But you're not really, really, too long
I'm glad to take my, just leave
Oh, you better do
Just move your body to the music
Just let it go to the music
Just like the music
Want to throw it at you
Just let the flow right out
Just move your body to
Just let it go to the music
Just like the music control
Just let me move it to the steam
The pain is on the plate, I'm playing the player, playing the game
Don't hate all my scenes, I'm making it good
You're gonna hurt your neck, stop staring
Get ready for it, yeah, get it
You've never seen no one with this skin
All the swagger things, don't watch and learn
You're gonna start a comp then
Everybody raise your glass tonight
I'm hauling the beat, yeah
All the ladies, now let's recognize
That's how we do
We're winning, we're winning
That's how we do
We're sipping it, we're sipping it
We got that stuff
We're swaggering, we're doing it
What we gonna do if we got that stuff?
We're working in the club, we're models in the show
We got that stuff, we're working in the space
We're starting to get it, we got that stuff
We've got to do it
Start the power, do it it, keep on, and be safe
Start the power, do it it, keep on, and be close to them
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, oh, hey, hey, oh
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, yeah, just stop now
Everybody raise your glasses now
I'm hauling to be here
On your knees now, let's reckon high
That's how we do
We win it, we win it
That's how we do
My secret is my secret
We got that star
It's like I'm in the door
We're really at that star
We're gonna go
I'm not even sure that star
We're gonna lose things
We're stuck in here
We got that star
If she try to stay low
That's how we do
Oh, that's how we do
Oh, we're doing it, keep on this, keep sliding
It's now that we're doing it, keep on this
We're doing it, yeah, yeah, yeah
Like in white and fly, just ask me a favorite stance
When the cloud is spiced and blue
No cares when you're in the air
You can down on the ground feel me nearly there
Be chair and freedom and paradise is waiting for you
Everybody needs some time away from us
Some time to play, think you better take that holiday
On the holiday
Everybody needs some time away from us
Some time to play, think you better take that holiday
On a holiday!
Suspense, untrenched, you really want to escape
Take times, turn lives, at the end of this world
Pantries won't please me by such a voice
Hot nights, moonlight, wish you could take them home
It's sweet to be repeat, you're stung on the sound when it warms your feet
In this heat you deserve a treat So take it nice and slow
Carefully in a fantasy Forget your stress for a week or three
Trust me when you're in the city There's nowhere else to go
I remember you need some time away And some time to play
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
I remember you need some time away And some time to play
Think you better take that holiday, holiday, holiday
We be high tonight, yeah, we be high tonight
Hi, nice to meet you, are you ready for the back down sequel?
When the beat's this tough, I'll turn a little rough
This is not a test, it's a refood
So, turn it up some some
Braceline kicking with the beat and I'm a drop
Blackout bridging chair with the disco string running
Oh, yo, we're about to have too much fun like
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be hype tonight, yeah, we be hype tonight
We turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be hype tonight, yeah, we be hype tonight
Like hi, nice to see you When the song comes up, yeah, I feel you
We've been dancing all night Dropping that vibe, tick tock into the sequel
So, turn it up some some Grace line kicking with the beat
And I'm the drunk, like that agent Shen With the disco string rock
Oh, yo, we've got to have two hush on This bus vibes on the lift
Yo, VMI team, we can put the floor This bus vibes on the lift
Yo, VMI team, yo, we special So let's go, let's go, let's start show
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, but we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, but we be high tonight
Turn it up tonight, let's turn it up tonight
We be high tonight, but we be high tonight
Tonight
Who's very bad? Who's bad with man?
It's been six long days since I saw you, baby.
I've been trying to house minutes, seconds,
and you take it back in my arms again.
One day last day and in my day that you tonight
Tonight I'll leave a good place and waste the night on hanging with the creeps
Thursday night I'll go to the movies, Friday night I'll get through the movies
Saturday night that we just came with you
Saturday night
And you're right
Saturday night
And you're right
That's all right, that's all right
I never dreamed that this would ever end
But here I am, turning away every night
It's the one thing I've been, I love just the thing
You know I'm not what you wish it was
This is the day that I must say, I do you, it's what I got to do
Enough, enough, I can't hang on
Enough, enough, you don't have room
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodnight
I wanted more of you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Now the distance we seek in the woods we don't speak
We lost everything that we had
I had no choice, our love has no voice
Listen, all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't know why
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't know why
I don't know, I don't know, but it's over now, so let's just say good-bye
I can't go on, I can't go on
I can't go on, enough, enough
Get on and run, enough
I don't know why, but it's over now
So let's just say goodnight
I can't go on, enough
Enough, enough
Oh, oh, oh, oh
Enough, enough
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just save the time
Just give me the beat
I just wanna move my feet
now
Yeah, just give me the beat
That's all I need
Just move your feet
And let it breathe
Cause all you see is all you need Don't be cheap, don't feel free
Turn up to heat like an oven, baby, give me that love
And ain't you wanna lose control?
Go in the beast, stop pumping in the party
Get jumping, everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your clue
Then you know what you're doing right
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life, just give me the beat
Just give me the beat, I just want to move my finger down
Just give me the beat, I don't wanna step in your toes when I see you moving
Don't wanna let this go unless that's what you're choosing
Everything that I've done is the truth and it's already proven
I just wanna make you laugh, wanna do it for you, get a new smith
I'm out to hit like I haven't, baby, give me that love
Ain't me wanna lose control
Go in the beat, stop pumping in the party, keep jumping
Everybody get on the floor
See if you lose your mind and you lose your cool
They know that you're doing alright
And if you ain't in the mood, I'll tell you what to do
Got some nature in my life, just give me the beat
I want to be a good girl
Just give me a beat
This thing I think
I think it's not how you're ready
Oh I'm ready
Alright alright alright
Ladies and gentlemen
Welcome to ESL, my fucking hell!
Two, one, the turkey's gonna pop!
If you know I'm Satanic, it's gone!
Don't let him get away with it!
Oh my god!
DREAM LEAGUE SEASON 28 is brought to you by DHL and Chex.
You have to right-click over there.
Right-click?
Yeah, right-click.
On who?
The death prophet right there.
Oh, shit.
That's right.
Okay, yeah.
They're done here.
I mean, you're very low-H.
You need a backup.
Why are you playing Invoker anyway?
Okay.
You're still alive.
I don't know how good it is.
How many hours do you have?
Actually, I have 166 hours.
You have 166 hours?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
13 years ago.
Do you think I can master the base in 166 hours?
Uh, no.
Okay.
Perhaps we should just stick to our own expertise. Maybe we should.
We got the final day of Dream League Season 28 ahead of us.
Perhaps we should just stick to what we're good at. So then, Jens, if you don't mind.
Right? It's not easy, right?
Okay, okay, okay, okay! I'm feeling it!
I'm feeling it. We're getting into the final day of treatment.
Here are 28 pandas taking a ride!
They make it look so easy, much as how our professional players make Tota look so easy.
But this is actually a lot more complicated than we're led to believe.
This game takes hours upon hours.
It's really hard to get the rhythm.
Can I see that?
You may.
Well, it's been confiscated by dad.
Gentlemen, it is the final day of a Dream League season 28, Cap, Avery, and Piran.
What a journey it's been to get to this point.
Technically, it's been longer than since we even started day one.
once been going on since division two and Aurora have been carrying the torch the entire
way through and they'll have to face off against Liquid and Tundra as those are now the final
three teams remaining in our tournament.
The final push.
Do they have it in them?
Especially since they're no longer the undefeated kings of the current patch.
How do you end up in division two?
You don't make it through Western European qualifiers for Dream League.
But then you get to go through Division 2 and then you might make it to Dream League.
Exactly.
My win dream league.
Let's see.
Yandex made it happen last season and the possibility is still there for Aurora to do it this
season.
What are you thinking about making a stack or what?
Team together.
The ban.
Do you guys want to be in my Dota team or qualify for next year?
Hell yeah.
All right.
That's four.
We just need a fifth.
I'll find some.
Oh, okay.
Well.
It has been a long journey to get this point and we can take a look at what
happened yesterday as the that was actually the penultimate day of a dream
league season 28. We had the lower bracket semi-finals of Aurora versus
Extreme where Extreme were hoping to get a little bit better than their season
27 placement which was fourth place unfortunately. And they did right Neil?
No.
Right?
Your boy, Amé.
Amé, Dora Amé!
You did not make it past the...
No.
Behemoths that are Aurora.
No.
I know.
It's okay though.
Can I get shown?
Can I get sad violins too?
Can we get some sad violins, Ray?
Your boy, Amé, out.
They're still in the tournament.
They're not.
The stream's gone.
Are they?
The stream's gone.
Oh, shit.
They're still in the tournament.
Well, what I predicted for this time of the year was...
They're in big trouble.
You're lost, dad. You're completely lost.
Yeah, I swear to God. I bet it against extreme going,
oh, they're not going to get Tinker in Game 3,
and you're not going to get Tinker in Game 3.
I was right.
Yeah.
I just needed to stay the course.
Somebody would eventually ban Tinker.
They permabanded the whole series.
Aurora, do what was up.
What coaching?
What coaching from KP?
There he is.
Like watching a disappointing child.
A disappointing child.
I didn't make any sense, dude.
You've done that a lot in your life.
No, that was your face, just like you were watching a disappointed child.
You've heard of disappointed father, not getting ready for a disappointing child.
What the hell does that even mean?
Imagine a child that lets you down. That's a disappointing child.
Son, I thought you'd amount to something by the age of five.
This was a disappointing draft for many of our panelists in our second series of the day.
Tundra was allowed to get their hands on Shadowfiend in Game 1
And they handedly beat Liquid with a despite being second pick.
And then Liquid became first pick and I don't know, Cap, what happened this game?
Oh, you know, they had Leshrac and Leshrac just got blown up over and over and over again.
I'll tell you what happened, Neil.
Tell me, Avery.
I'll tell you what happened.
Tell me, Avery.
Because my prediction was correct for that series, then nobody gets my prediction wrong eight times.
Take that, Team Liquid.
They finally lost.
They have defeated.
They finally lost.
The arena of predictorial combat.
I have defeated you.
Well done, Abracadabra.
Thank you.
It only took eight series of incorrect predictions to seal their fate.
Given a broken clock, it can be right one out of every eight, nine times.
Hell yeah.
I feel like Tundra saw someone who played Timba yesterday.
Somebody played Timba yesterday and I thought, damn, I kind of forgot about Timba.
It's pretty good. And then they picked it and they win with it.
You're talking about WS. Yeah, and I think they like it.
And it's like 15 hours only.
Pretty good. We should pick that.
He was harder, he was better, he was faster, and he was stronger than everyone else.
What's that from?
It's a death pun song.
Is it?
Okay.
Harder, faster, quicker, longer, rings the bell.
I can also do other things that bring a bell of memories for you, Todd.
Please do.
As you know that over the course of Dream League Season 28, we have been doing a variety of tasks.
Oh, fuck this.
Good shit.
It has been a battle between the morning shift and the night shift.
This is a disgrace.
We did some tie-dye shirts.
That is definitely a disgrace.
We lost to that.
We did some canvas paintings.
We lost to that.
Yeah, fair.
We did some puzzles.
Yeah, we did.
Yeah, fair.
We lost in that.
Oh.
We, oh, that was their puzzle.
We had Avery.
What's happening?
Not a task.
You can't just throw me a little ball.
I'll just explain it to you.
Avery's my task, so I had to handle everything.
I can't believe that Alan Mapp didn't win a thing.
Look at it.
Yeah, come on.
Look at this.
It looks like something a two-year-old would make.
It looks at least like something a four-year-old would make.
I think the efforts really pushed them over the edge on bears.
Also, it was the speedrun.
The castle was better, though.
The castle was better.
That's where we should have got the point.
This was robbery.
Well, this one wasn't a subjective analysis.
This one was who builds it faster.
OK, but bears was easier to build and headless pieces.
Yeah, so we have 10.
Struggling with the tiny Legos,
as you Americans like to call them.
You were a puzzle god, though.
And then we made some cookies.
I followed the instructions and made three giant cookies.
Nobody else did.
I was not on set for this, you are not.
But the result is still attributed to your name.
I'll own it.
Is that sad pile on the left
was the leftover from the morning crew pile?
Was that?
Maybe.
The leftover.
That was our magnum open.
That was it.
What's the final school board meal?
It actually looked like a pile of shit.
How big?
I will say Neil over the course of all these tasks, I had quite the ball, I have been tricking
you and assuming there was never going to be a physical pun this entire show and
then you pull it at it right at the death let's take a look at the standings for all
of our results and see who won between morning shift and day shift or morning
shift and night shift you guys should have won we should have won we'll see
what happens we didn't win a single one show us what happened I voted for you
guys did you yeah he went about three other people so thanks for that this
This was the fourth best trick shot as a voted by Twitch chat.
It was a ricochet between a snare drum and two pains of glass.
It's not a skill shot, it was completely unintentional, so it doesn't count.
I'm with you.
We were number three.
Oh, we're number three.
So they're just going to share that one?
No, we're going in order of lowest prediction, the highest prediction.
Ryan's double bounce into the basket.
Legitimately the only trick shot.
Agreed.
Legitimately of the four.
This is actually the only trick shot.
Off the table, off the glass, into the basket.
Number two.
No, nothing wrong with mine.
Holy shit.
Nothing but net from Piran Flacks.
Dang you, you won.
I actually won something.
I yours was the most impressive
because you're old as shit.
So that's like a 3X feet of a dog.
Yeah, that is.
And the number one teamwork makes the dream work a full involvement of all five panelists.
Perch the snare to the Insania glass, to the Quinn glass, to the ukulele from Jenkins.
What is the numbering on this?
That is not a trick shot.
A trick shot is actually having a planned set of things where you hit accurately each
spot.
If each person is moving around, that is not a trick shot, that's just somebody hitting
a ball.
Part of the trick shot was at the very end when the ball goes up in the air and Jenkins hits it into the basket
That's the only part that is a trick shot. Everything before that is just people passing a ball around
That's not a trick shot that should be disqualified. You know what the real trick?
Actually, he'd be angry watching that. I was just like why are we doing this? Also, it was audio terrorism
Yeah, it was. I was listening to the broadcast and I couldn't handle it because it was done
Every five seconds I hated that
The real trick shot...
...of them?
You are correct.
The real trick shot was convincing the public.
There's gullible suckers out there on Twitch
to vote for those morons yet again.
Specifically the night shift, Twitch shirt.
Night shift? You guys are cool.
You guys are chill. I know you got a back.
Morning shift. Here's the fucking result.
Yeah, that's me throwing...
That's the real trick shot.
...growing balls.
BASON!
That cost $15,000.
Holy God almighty.
It came from 15 points.
Yeah, it was conceptualized as a comeback mechanic for us.
We blew it.
The bead art, the around the world in one...
What was around the world in one shift?
Oh, the globe, the 3D puzzle.
The bake-off, the tie-dye, the Leonardo DiCaprio da Vinci Bolognese,
which I can't just paint in.
It's so far away now.
The puzzles, the making the Dota map, the Lego,
I want to play a game logic puzzles, which we may have cheated on both teams may have cheated on
Cookie towers and last was the trick shots
12 tops. Oh my
Why is that 1134? I don't know. It could have gone worse. Ow. I don't
I don't think it's literally not. Someone could have gotten injured or died
Yeah, that's cheap. That's cheap. It could have been worse
Brian did say that his arm was quite sore after yesterday
Yeah
John
I will say which team grew closer over the series of those John probably them no
It was us and that was the real victory. Yeah is the friendship you built along the way. They hate each other
Yeah, the competitive spirit and split them apart
Whereas our mutual suffering and loss brought us together and that's what it's all about
Yeah, I can say that that's not at all my recollection
I'm pretty sure your guys lost his droves you guys apart.
We're going to roster shuffle after this.
Minus 15 or whatever.
Well I tried.
You tried.
I tried.
You guys barely participated.
I didn't pull out with either of you.
But I hate this guy and the other two bozos we were with most of the mornings.
And evening shift and evening twitch chat.
All of them are on the period shit list.
That's okay though. It's the final day Ted. I'm sure you will feel revitalized after some time at home.
Oh God. I can't wait. Been away a long time Neil. You have done. Forgotten the taste of bread, Mr. Proto.
You've forgotten the sound of running water. The nice feel of an overcast Great England sky.
340 days of the year. It's gonna rain today Ted, isn't it? Aren't you right at home?
Is it raining here?
Yeah.
Oh, cool.
Love that.
It's a small selection of people who would agree with you.
It's the Swedish weather preparing me for home.
There you go.
They're getting hungry right now.
We need to go back to sun.
Sweet, sweet sun.
The natural.
It's the natural, Mr. Frodo.
I've forgotten the taste of sun.
No, no, don't do that.
And this smell of running water and bread.
Don't do that.
Mr. Frodo, I've forgotten the taste of bread.
No.
We're not doing that.
But now do that voice, but dude, there will be blood clots.
I'm a rain man.
So let's just take this combination of two weeks of inside jokes, all piling and mixing together.
We're all gonna get exposed to Chad's weather very soon because we're gonna be going to Birmingham very soon.
Right.
Birmingham is just one of these four different stops on the way to the Esports World Cup,
and we are getting near the end of the halfway point of our E.P.T. season, as now.
I don't want to get exposed to Ted's weather.
I don't want to see if the sun doesn't shine.
I don't want to go, Mr. Frodo.
Where does Ted's weather come from when it's raining?
You don't want to know, Master Foda.
He's talking about his sunny disposition, right?
Look, your boy, Amin, is second place.
Holy shit!
You should be happy.
We're owning.
Let's go.
Oh, big army!
What's the difference between first and third place?
Two places.
First and third place.
Basically, I'm asking, will liquid be number one
if they win out this one?
No, because they're going to lose.
1,600 point difference.
Third place is 3,200.
So the first place is 4800.
Okay.
It could be, technically.
Yeah, so whoever wins between...
Okay, Aurora, if they get first...
They would be second.
Yeah, plus 1500.
How many of these teams have basically already qualified for Riyadh?
So it's still a bit up in the air.
I think it's safe to say that probably the first three should be pretty safe.
But it's the top 12 invites.
Direct invites.
And there's Birmingham to come.
Correct.
Yeah, so there's plenty of points up for grabs that is correct plenty of money up for grabs as well
As this is the prize pool for season 28
250k in the coffers, so it's a hundred and fifty thousand dollar money match for grand finals
Yeah
Call the Hala get that dollar get that dollar
They are all hoping to get a piece of that first, but
These teams are gonna have to make it through their first series.
If Team Liquid are taking on Aurora Gaming for our lower bracket finals, that is a best of three,
then there will be a minimum of 45 minutes in between,
or at 16, CET will be the beginning of Grand Finals, best of five of Tundra versus the winner.
I'm not gonna lie, I feel like the highlight of the day might actually be this lower bracket final,
Liquid vs Aurora was a bear last time it was, so I'm looking for it to do a lot of work on it.
The semi-finals are almost always better than the final.
It's true in most sport, I think, because that feels more hype.
That actually may be true for TI as well.
I feel like I remember more lower bracket finals than crafters.
Lower bracket finals.
True in the World Cup, true in the Champions League.
Yeah, because there's a very high chance that the absolute domination team is leagues above everybody else.
and it's very one-sided or someone jokes and it's very one-sided.
In the final you mean?
Yeah.
Most of it, people play it more carefully, I feel, in the final.
You're more afraid to lose.
Some of me finally got something to play for.
In the final, you got something to lose.
So I see it.
Wise words, Mr. Forsythe.
Thank you, sir.
Also stamina levels.
I feel like I've heard many lower bracket final team go
into grand finals and say they were pretty cashed out
by like game two of grand finals.
I've also heard the inverse of that near which
is that they come in warmed up.
Because we see sometimes when teams arrive having gone through qualifiers, much like Aurora
Gaming.
Indeed.
Division 2 champions hoping to stamp their names.
But if you're so hot on them, Ted, did you predict them?
No, sir.
Oh, let's take a look at our prediction and leaderboard then to see who's currently
on top.
Come on, baby, come on.
Yeah!
Well, I can't do worse than second, and that's pretty good.
That is pretty good.
I can't win the next three series no matter what.
What a comeback from Insaneo though, you just fell liquid every time
You'd be like negative a to say bombed out
I think I went for liquid for both today. Let me just oh wait. There's a graphic. Well, we'll show you
All right, what did you go for?
I'm my friend. I didn't trust you. It all comes down to this Ted. Have you gone for I am
Dr. Liquid, okay, and we will decide this in the grand finals
Well, I take the weather with me and then Britain it rains a lot hence it is liquid and hence it is raining today therefore liquid wind
Oh, you forget that we are in cold-ass
Sweden
Is there tundra in sweet the tundra is here maybe in the very fun herma frost
There's no tundra in stock also cap you've you've had your bets better because the Ferrara wins the first series
Yeah, we don't need to talk about that part
I was like literally just like it'll be hype if it just comes down to the grand finals
and it all comes down to liquid versus tundra, third time around you know it's a good trilogy.
That's true actually but Decider is the final because D'Arlor has gone for liquid.
Lord of the Rings, good versus evil it all comes down to that matchup.
Yeah it does, it's me versus camp.
And I back tundra, I'm wearing all black so you can decipher what I mean from that.
your ring race?
It's because you taste the red meat!
Why are you doing this?
You don't like it!
Avery, you're a horrible leader, though.
Is this simply the liquids fight still?
Or do you actually believe it?
I mean, what's the difference?
What's the difference?
I'm just committed to the bit.
If it was liquid against two children and a dog
with one PC,
I'm asking what breed is the dog, is it a Pyrenees or what?
German Shepherd.
Once you commit to the bit, you have to see it through.
That's what you should respect about me, not my decision making.
Not your go-to cast.
Not the process.
But I think what I do respect about you is certainly not my impressions.
His scalp.
I'll get back to you.
I've forgotten the taste of a real prediction.
See?
Is that good?
Yeah.
There you go.
All right then, Avery. Are you ready to watch these dogs go into combat then?
Hell yeah, I just want some good Dota.
Isn't that what they always say?
I just want some good Dota.
I don't care, Wins. I just want some good Dota.
I mean, casters are the only people who can say that honestly.
We just want some good Dota.
We just want to aim to cast.
You don't think the viewers can say that as well?
No, because they're all biased.
I see.
Oh yeah, they're mega biased.
I think they're biased in that if someone makes a mistake, they enjoy pointing it
out.
That's their favorite thing.
That's true.
Which means they don't want hype, Dota.
They want shitty Dota.
That's true.
It's like NASCAR erasers.
Absolute garbage.
You just watch the crashes.
Make fun of them constantly.
The thing is also, I feel like the teams that I have been
accused of being the most biased against are the teams
I'm genuinely rooting the most for because I've set the bar
so high, like OG.
Everyone thinks I hate OG.
No, I just have such high expectations from the team.
I would love to see a team perform well.
And I'm like, let's go.
You know what are we doing?
What are we doing fucking around?
When is O.G. gonna fuck?
I'm rooting for these boys.
Yeah, and then it comes off as like crazy.
Who is calling you biased?
The OG fan.
Of course, the most biased person,
fuck, you gotta be glazing them though.
They're biased against me.
Nobody's calling that out.
I'll call it out.
Do it.
Leave A3 alone.
Fuck being biased against A4, he's a good egg.
Leave our disappointing child alone.
I don't remember that unbiased caster anymore,
Mr. Frodo.
It's not actually exactly proud of you, son.
Alright, gentlemen, much as how I left the Pandas through their expertise in music and
our expertise in paneling, I will leave you to your expertise as we get ready for our
lower bracket final.
It's liquid for Sorora.
Hello, hello, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a lower bracket final match.
And in this match, I'm going to be talking a little bit about what I think matters most.
As you go down the stretch, as you go deep into a tournament,
and not a lot of that strategy and drafting.
Now, Liquid, they saw a fearsome defeat last night to Tundra's hands.
They've been knocked down in the lower bracket versus Aurora.
Roar and I want to look at that and see what things Aurora can take away a little bit from that and how they can potentially defeat liquid today
Well yesterday Thunder took an interesting approach in the bands and that they didn't ban the typical first base heroes
They didn't ban the Shadow Fiends the Bat Riders and like they banned puck they banned Mars
They meant Underlord and they meant Ember so they didn't went down the line and say what heroes are key to
Liquid's gameplay to their strategy which heroes matter for them and that's interesting because it's not a strategy a lot of
teams take from 2nd pick because it means you're going to give up the broken heroes.
But I think for Aurora today, they should potentially take a serious look at the strategy
because Liquid needs specific heroes for their draft.
I think they have a tendency to have sort of low damage and they need these heroes that
either prevent the enemy team from doing damage or enable them to get over the damage curve
and have cores that do so much damage that it doesn't matter that some of their heroes
are lower.
I think if you look at Liquid's drafts generally, they've got a Batrider here
first pick, they followed it up with a Chikiro, but the enemy team is a Shatter Demon, so
a lot of this damage will get purged.
Um, following that is a Tusk, which is a very enabling hero.
It's not a hero that does a ton of damage.
So Liquid right off the bat, they've got three heroes that don't do a ton of damage.
And playing against them, they're playing in some tanky heroes, in the Brewmaster,
in the Tiny, and they've got saves on Tundra's side.
And I think we can see that in the footage, where there's fights that Liquid, they
just can't, they just can't cut through Tundra's heroes.
And it becomes a massive, massive problem for them.
If we can look at some of those clips, I think it will be very illustrative of that.
You can see it as well in the second games where they honestly just...
Oh, here we go.
Yeah, you can see it where they're not even that far down.
The game is relatively even and they just cannot kill any heroes.
Batrider is the lowest net worth by far and the impact is simply just not there
and this remained the case with the entire series.
I think you can also look at Liquid's heroes in the second game, and they just have a serious damage problem.
It's all on Mikay and Nisha's shoulders.
I think that's how they've played throughout the entirety of the group stage 1 and 2.
And so I think for this series, Liquid needs to put a lot of prioritization on Mikay and Nisha having good games, having good heroes,
so they can actually play to their fullest potential.
Because to be honest, Ace for this team has been sort of like, he's just a guy, and they put him on a hero,
and he does some stuff, but he's not been the one carrying the game.
He's not been the star of the show.
And then Liquid's bands, they kind of got boxed up at Thunder last night.
So I think it's a big worry for them coming into this series.
So much of Grand Finals and lower bracket finals of preparation
are the work that teams have done behind the scenes.
So I'm very curious to see if Liquid can figure something out,
if they can change their game a little bit, figure out some new heroes
and some new strategies.
Because I think that will be very, very important for this upcoming series.
You can see here, it's not that dire at this point,
But they just can't kill us more to even with three heroes. He pikes away. He runs off end of distance. It's it's bleak
It's unfortunate. It's dark and also this lush rock here is really really bad
That's kind of my guy who really loves right lush rack. So, you know, it's true
Yeah, so all this all this included
I think liquid Dave got some they've got some work to do and some stuff to show us today because I think
Thunder exposed them a little bit and Aurora if they dig into
into Tundra's Bag of Tricks, then we could have a very spicy series here for all the horse fans out there.
I believe in the horse, but I also believe in what Aurora are capable of. Quinn, come on down and join us at the lounge as I also welcome BSJ.
We got to witness the series yesterday, but we've also witnessed both these teams go head to head twice throughout this tournament.
In Group Stage 1, Aurora got the 2-0 against Liquid, but that was when Aurora was still riding that high.
Then, it seemed like whenever Liquid finally defeated Aurora in group stage 2, that was
the cracks in the armor for the impenetrable Aurora victories.
Yeah, you know, after talking to KP in the interview after Aurora's win yesterday, I
thought they might be a team that had gone through their honeymoon phase, lost faith
in each other, but after talking to him and knowing he's kind of behind the scenes,
he's a very leveling energy kind of guy.
he kind of keeps you grounded. And I believe that Aurora is going to come in today, basically
ignoring that they had that shaky run in group stage two. And also I think liquids historically
been a team with this like core roster that they're either figured out by the end of the
tournament and they kind of fall flat or they just like clean wipe you and when they want
TI and stuff. So I would actually put Aurora as the favorite for this series, just given
the history of of liquid at this portion of the tournament and
going off of what Quinn said like Tundra completely exposed them yesterday they
looked like
they just look like they didn't have the answers
we're gonna find out which one comes out on top ladies and gentlemen let's get
ready for our lower bracket final of liquid versus aurora
don't think we hit our ceiling on this peak yet
because there's like still a lot of things to improve
like in the game outside of the game
there's always stuff to work on in progress but for
The team we have right now, it's definitely our best form right now, and I think everyone's really happy with that.
They are marrying our heroes that people already know what we play, and we have improved a lot more.
We have new heroes, we have new strategy on this tournament.
We're definitely a top 3 contender, but I think like nothing is granted.
We still have to work on things, and teams are strong and good, but we feel really confident.
He does boxy is there as well. There's the ravage. There's gonna want to damage the Lord off a great pick up for liquid
Great bait as some would say double kill for Nisha. I think table free is my super strong enemies
Like they have good players. They just have so strong individual skills on everyone
We'll survive the lasso on to Lorna, these turns of the Viper Strike.
All right, Pyran, I need a vibe check for all the first phase heroes that we're seeing the most,
the Shadow Fiends, the Largos, the Trion Protectors, the Batriders, the Beastmasters,
which one intimidates you the most? Largo? Largo. Guaranteed. Largo. And NSF. And NSF.
They have to be gone. Okay. I didn't understand. I saw one of Liquid's
fans was sent or in one of those games they gave up the SF you can first pick
this hero that's not that often we see teams willing to just jam something like
that it's normally some kind of a support some kind of off lane mid flex
they're just like yeah he's gonna be a carry we're picking him first you don't
see that all that often so that's how you know the heroes get a busted and the
frog man too got a band of frog he's stupid in the hands of the pros for
liquid especially it's not just their carry they'll gladly swap that stuff to
mid or carry depending on the situation, which is why I have to assume that Aurora will either
first pick it or Liquid don't think that Aurora or do think that Aurora will have the capabilities
and will ban it.
Yeah, I didn't realize that Aurora was not a big Batrider team as they banned the Bat
from first pick, so that will be a pretty big, I think, determinant for this series.
But they banned Ursa, so to me it looks like they're potentially giving Shadowfiend
into some sort of trade.
Yes, this is strange, Ursa first phase.
Okay, yeah.
So SF is available, Shadow Demon is available, Beastmaster is available.
Yeah, I'm wondering what Liquid thinks is worth trading for SF.
I mean, they almost certainly know what they're going to get out of this, right?
Or what they're giving Aurora.
I think the Ursa ban is interesting because a lot of times we are seeing like a Huskar ban in the first round for a lot of these teams.
And because the first it's not like it's important as a viewer to know it's not like they're thinking they're gonna first pick Ursa
So we have to ban Ursa now
But since so many of the bands are front-loaded that especially when a team is first pick overall
You're also partially blocking the really powerful 18 picks for which is fourth pick for
the Aurora in this case
And night falls been go to Ursa
And I think it also counters a lot of aces heroes like it significantly limits the pool that he would pick from and since night
Fall has been picking it so much it just makes sense to replace a family Cuscar
But they go with Shadow Demon as like the that's the trade they thought was worth it. How do you feel about that Quinn?
I don't think it's bad. I can think Shadow Demon is quite good against Shadow fiend
This is a hero that like part of his gameplay as he stands his ground
He kind of turrets you but the hero does also need to kite and reset especially when certain heroes lock on to him
So like a razor for instance
They can take second phase like a razor goes on Shadow fiend and you don't have as the he just pikes away and
and resets the fight. Press Silver Edge and it's chill.
But if you have Shadow Demon, it changes those dynamics
because you purge the guy.
So now he can't, like if he can't stand and fight
and he wants the kite, that's no longer an option
and you can just kill him.
Shadowfiend is still somewhat of a paper hero
until he gets to like satanic
and he gets much later in the game.
So I think generally SD has pretty nice dynamics
and that's it.
And they see that because they ban the Razor,
a hero that would probably one of the best meta heroes
for preventing you from standing in your ground
as a ranged turret.
Would you save fight proficiency
to that bracket as well?
Potentially, I think it's it that Viper is interesting because a lot of teams have been losing with it throughout this tournament
So they kind of lost faith in it because I think going into this tournament
It was kind of first big first bad and slowly throughout the tournament
It's dropped off to just being untouched in most games
And I also think it's not really a niche here, which is a problem because Viper is mostly made
I think other roles is kind of crap
So if Nisha doesn't like it if it's not the typical like sort of caring in the game
Whoo flashy on Nisha. Look at me. I'm the best player in the world. I'm so cool
Like then you're a real impressive nation. You couldn't tell. It's pretty good. Thank you
You just need to be lifting a dumbbell at the same time. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Now. I know who my pump on
How convinced I know you touched on this yesterday, but how convinced were you in liquids?
Anti shadow fiends strategy against Tundra. I think it was terrible. Yeah, I think it was terrible especially because
Tundra got the SD with the SF and I think that is that is for Bolton
You cannot have both of those here on the same team because it enables the kiting ability
Yes, if you get to save and also that the combo should stick nasty
The alternative was that liquid had gotten for Batrider as the first phase response to Shadowfiend
But then yeah, then Tundra got Shadow Demon in second phase
I was shocked they didn't they banned like Shadow Shaman Phoenix supports or something like that as opposed to the Shadow Demon and
I feel like Shadow Demon is just the be all in all counter to Batrider
You have the the disruption you have the shard. That's like the continuous
So all against the flame break and the sticky napalm. So for me that was very confusing
But yeah, so I think that they allowed the SF to go through on the side of liquid because like I think the ace hero matchups
They'd rather be facing an SF carry early on knowing that's what's coming so they can pick ace's hero and
As opposed to like worrying about him getting hard countered by an Orsa type hero on 18
So it makes sense that was like my hypothesis
But it makes sense to me now that they're also picking his heroes so early on like this
I'm also wondering if because they're maybe looking towards grand finals they want to prove that they can break a shadow fiend and
Beat it on first pick. Well, they can break him if they get SDX. That's another version of break. Yes
I'm intrigued by this. Lou may have played it yesterday and was did some really nice things with it
Yeah, I think it's very much fits his style like I'm applying against him back on spirit
His gameplay is a lot around mid. He's a lot of setting up for other heroes.
He's not like a selfish player. He's very much like a low net worth 4 player
who is like a blink and he's just there at the right time and he stuns the guy and you get the kill and you win the teamfight.
Like he's a very clutch player and very timing based player
and I think that's really valuable going down the stretch going into the later series.
Like you want those guys who are ready at the right moment to get the kill because
everybody else is scared and farming and ah it's late, it's late a tournament. I want to go well
but Mirus, he's cool as a cucumber.
He's shown it time and time again.
I've seen 70 Warlock games.
That's too many.
We gotta stop this guy.
Yeah, I mean, I love Lyin' this patch in general.
I think he's been underrated for maybe the last three or four months.
Obviously, my pubs are not the same as Pro Dota, but I feel like whenever I'm in
games against Lyin' or with Lyin' on my team, your plays are just so simple.
And also between 12 to 20 minutes, as the enemy carry and stuff, it's very hard
to play the map when Lyon's off map because him plus one is just always enough to kill
you, so you have map play with Lyon almost built in, you just need like one pairing for
him, like SF's a good pairing later, like he'll dish out the damage while Lyon stuns,
but right now you've got good team fight with the SF Warlock, you've got good map
play with the Lyon being set up, and now what happens here though is that Liquid
has good counter play, they have the global initiation or counter initiation from Under
Lord especially once he gets the axe they have the shattered demon so it's really
gonna be a matter of the dance between boxy and Mira with the save versus the
initiation on the map I would say for the first 20 minutes and yeah who kind
of gets the better who there initially I was suspecting that lion would just
forbid any spirit or bug fix but over the past few days it seems like people
are respecting the idea of the lion but they'll still go for their pucks
You also need a guy that jumps the lion. That's the thing. It kind of goes both ways
You can't just have no way of bringing him down because we saw a lot of my
Postgame analysis of Amé yesterday when they lost to Aurora was literally Amé spending his entire BKB duration hunting Mira
Because he was playing Shadow Shaman. Same same idea as the Kaz. Yeah as the Kaz and he also did it as the Weaver
Yeah, right like literally the theory of theme of that series was Amé versus Mira in a lot of these team fights
And the times where Mira could buy back or he managed to barely live would make or break the results
So who are they gonna find who are they gonna get to take down this line?
I actually like DK because he's like a pretty durable target till SF gets over edge
He has a lot of armor versus the minus armor, but he's also a durable guy that catches people
That's that's why I like the pick overall
Did we see something like a hoodwink or okay, we're okay
Yeah, I mean, it's a classic against Warlock, you see Warlock, you just pick a melee forward,
you drag waves, because playing a lane is just too hard.
The hero is too HP efficient with the Shadow Words, so it becomes just not feasible to
play the lane.
You'll just always lose on regen, which means you lose on gold, and then eventually
you're just gonna be kind of poor and sad, so it makes me more sensitive to pull waves.
Everybody does it.
It's very non-interactive, but it is just the best way to play against Warlock.
Is there any reason why Boxy has now replaced the Tusk like wholesale with ArtSpirit?
Because at the beginning of this tournament, it was Tusk, Tusk, Tusk, and now ArtSpirit
seems to be the lateral move for some reason.
My best guess would be first of all Vibes.
I think he just thinks ArtSpirit is more fun.
And I think a lot of four players are like that, that genuinely they don't care what's
better or not.
They're just like, I like playing this.
Like, there's no reason four players get that pass.
Secondly, I think it gives them a little more team fight compared to Tusk, which is kind of just a solo jumper, dude.
Like, if you compare Tusk and DK, there's a lot more overlap than Earth Spirit.
Earth Spirit's got this sort of magnified hitting multiple things.
There's more of a chaos, disrupting force compared to a singular stun.
And so, I think it gives you a little more, like, variety in the way you can initiate.
It's slightly different, which there's value there.
I love how often in Dota you have heroes that feel like a very similar role in the game, like Tusk and Earth Spirit,
yet their matchups play out so much differently and also exactly how they
offer it like Tuss being more map play like they both author save once Earth
Spirit gets shard or aggs technically two saves and Tuss with a snowball you
both have like jump potential with the snowball or the roll and play the map
and but at the same time Earth Spirit does it with magic damage and team
fights and Tuss does it with amping up your physical damage and pick offs
so they're like single target burst it's just very interesting how the
Heroes are so conceptually similar, but yet so different. I love that aspect of Dota personally.
It's fun to see Boxy showcase both ends of it, but now we need to see what Lornaf and Nisho will be showcasing in the mid lane.
Liquid ban out the puck as Aurora will get to pick their mid laner first, and Aurora ban out Huskar, so Ember and Void Spirit still in the pool.
I don't feel about Tide though. We didn't really get to that as a response to this Shadowed Even DK lane.
I think it's nice. I think Tide's just good against Dragonite in general.
And I think Tide is one of those heroes that is just so broken when he gets to do his thing,
when he gets to be the unkillable blob who just waddles around, watermeloning,
and you can't kill him, then it totally changes the dynamic of the game because he just stands there and you can't jump this guy.
That means that, okay, now it's really hard to team fight because you have to find a way to wrap around this guy and find someone else.
It like totally changes how the game works.
And so I think really Tide is like, do you counter Tide? If not, Tide's broken.
It's often how this hair works.
Yeah, it's... I feel like I learned that from paneling tournaments where I'll just be in a pile of the, like, this is the freest tide game ever.
And I feel like I never said that, because he's not a hero you think of as cheesy, but he kinda is, actually, because he's either unkillable, a lot to ravage you anytime he wants, or he just dies to, like, a person or a disruptor or something.
Gentlemen.
What are you thinking, Ted?
I actually really like Aurora's draft here, um, you just see what they rounded out with.
I feel like if you look at Liquid, there is, in my mind, a little bit of a damage concern,
um, and I think Tide, as a beefy boy, will be able to live through quite a lot here.
They've got nice reset with the Warlock ult, you got good pick-off potential with the Lion as well, so
I feel like Aurora wants something that's a bit zippity-zoopity. You know what I mean?
they want something, some kind of spirit to get around and be obnoxious.
Liquid is quite a static way of playing I think with Underlord and DK.
That's a quite zippity-zoopity kind of thing.
That's a zippity-zoopity as it gets.
Maybe the most zippity.
I would say yes.
It was ever zooped.
And I really like the Roars draft at the moment.
Yeah, it's interesting. Storm here is like generally Underlord is pretty good against Storm
because the Pit is extremely obnoxious and you play about being tanky,
But Shadowfiend I think enables you to play a lot of heroes because the hero is just an ever-flowing fountain of damage that he makes other stuff
That's not as good against the the underlord specifically be good because you've got already got the shadowfiend
And he'll kill everyone and everything if you've got the lockdown
Is this gonna be one of those awful grieves storms so that he can get rid of the root
Do you think?
I don't like I don't think you do I think it's only viable against
and for spirit and even then I don't like love it. This has been a matchup
we've seen maybe four or five times in the last few days the quap versus storm
I've also seen quap get picked up when they have heroes like tide or like a
badden where there's a lot of dispels and it actually gives you the the
meaningful long fight damage with the axe we'll probably see Nisha go like the
kaya axe which has kind of become the stable build it actually allows you to
win the war of attrition yeah I think this this pick actually rounds it
It does. It's a nice pick.
How do you feel about this matchup though, like in how it scales, Quinn?
Uh, I mean, the early bits are good for Qwaf for sure.
The scaling of it is...
Like, Nidahirro honestly interacts with each other,
the hero that much in the mid-game,
because you just dash the dodge the daggers and Storm can't kill Qwaf,
because you blink away, so the heroes kind of just kill everyone else.
In the mid-game they're kind of just vibing.
Like, early game, Qwee hits you over the head and daggers you,
but eventually Nidahirro does anything.
You both just play the game apart from each other.
I honestly think this is one of the more even drafts I've seen in recent days.
I think either team can win. I think they both have things going for them.
They have slightly different identities in the draft.
I think Liquid has definitely done better than they did yesterday.
But at the same time, it's not the same like draft dominance.
I think we've seen from them, they're all in the ball of the tournament.
I think Aurora had adjusted well.
So for me, it's...
I don't put my finger on a clear favorite so far.
Even with the fact that Shadowfiend is in the game,
and we've seen how terrifying the Zero can be.
Yeah, I do lean Aurora.
Just for Phadophine, then also Tidehunter.
Like I think Tidehunter's...
Qwap does not really answer Tidehunter entirely.
And like, good Tide game is, uh, Monka Monka.
So, I would, I would lean Aurora.
I think the big mistake they made is there's no way to prevent the Nightfall of this game.
And there again is Nightfall.
He can BKBTB?
He can BKBTB any time.
Oh...
GOO?
Like, he's...
We're gonna be seeing at least three of them this game.
For sure.
Abyssal DK.
That's an option.
You're only option.
The only option is that, or like, three hexes.
So we can't even get the BKB off in the first place.
We'll see how many times he does it, or maybe he doesn't need to, because he's playing a Shadow Fiend.
Let's get into game one of our lower bracket final with Cap and us. We change.
Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the lower bracket final.
Liquid versus Aurora. The two most dominant teams of Dream League will not meet in the Grand Finals,
but rather the lower bracket finals as Liquid has been outdone by Tundra, but Liquid did outdo
Aurora when it comes to the group's matchup. So it does seem to be a little bit of a rock-paper-scissors
matchup. These two teams are very close. I think Aurora has like the ultimate five of the
Patch, Liquid just insane as a team right now.
Turns out they've been able to build over the last month or so.
Claim First Blood in this series will go to the Underlord too.
Super nice here.
I mean, all the things that you want to see from Liquid start here and now, which is Tempo, Tempo, Tempo.
And they have already gotten one First Blood.
Now they're looking at a Second Blood potentially.
Double Sum, Double Sum, Double Sum.
Topu's gonna be in some trouble.
Blood Grenade, A1 is not going to save him here.
Liquid overstepped themselves.
And now Ace is possibly going to die as well as he's going to start getting hit by the next round of raises.
SF is actually out of mana, but they'll be able to maybe get it with the Rendered hit, maybe just the right clicks.
Nightfall's going to stick with him. 15 mana.
In order to get another raise, it seems like the... right clicks are going to be just enough.
That was expensive for Lornoff. I'm surprised he committed like that with Storm.
It took a lot of his time off of a lane matchup that's already going to be tough for him.
Misha just instantly put in the dagger into him, didn't even get any XP off that kill, so he had to leave it early.
Cost a lot of mana on the SF, so hopefully he'll carry out some mana regen here.
It'll be double mango on the lion's career, maybe he can feed him some mango on that.
Smart idea, from here.
What do you think of the panel's breakdown of the draft?
I almost agreed 100%.
Quinn was saying it was very even, and I was like, surely you back Aurora though?
Sorry, I was looking at the SF.
I was looking at this pull where this Ursa and Clap boxy nice pull block from Mira.
Like that pull got delayed, he has to pull second wave which is a big deal down here
because now you have the camps available to disrupt this pull through.
So this double melee lane really got hurt off that entire exchange because they couldn't
reset equilibrium as well as they wanted to.
And now you get to small camp D-Words.
Mira doing work down here for the early lane control.
I think the draft is very even but I do think there were points where both teams
got caught.
Tidehunter was a big problem for Liquid and I don't think the co-op entirely addresses it, though it helps.
Okay.
I think the fact you got Liquid to ban their own Puck and Ember in that last phase was a win for Aurora.
However, I feel the co-op is a more influential pick than Storm in terms of that last exchange.
I feel like Liquid won that last exchange.
I think this co-op is pretty nasty, Bloxy.
Really far forwards here. The role's gonna be hitting Mira, Nightfall's gonna make the chase and help get the kill.
Once again, knife falls off to a blazing start at this rate.
They're owning this bottom lane.
Perfect execution in terms of stopping the double melee support pull.
Like, this is textbook. If you want to watch a replay of a program and how to stop it,
Mira has executed it to 99% of what you're supposed to do in this lane.
Now, a lot of that was a benefit of how that first exchange went,
because it slowed them down and they didn't get them, you know, go behind,
kill a rangekeeper or do anything like that and the campspawn they're gonna kill
again you can get in front of them here actually I need to he's just changing up
this is an absolute disaster for liquid softling we've seen some of these
air spirits starts to be rough but I feel like they've been rough from a
sacrificial standpoint of giving a lot of pace off of weight pulling and
whatever yeah not like it's rough cuz I'm just changing kills and we're not
getting the lead. There's a big difference there. It does feel like
there's some pressure on Nisha then to win the mid lane which he did level up
the daggers did not go for a screen build to try and out farm the storm
actually played to ruin the storm's game early and especially with him
coming late to lane Nisha already had an advantage so sending Lord off back to
base is a good start. The pretty boxy here too it's kind of the wrong
time for him to go mid because the storm had to go base. Maybe you can wait around and go on him when
he comes back. Just don't know if you have the damage to all in full, so maybe Voxy just gonna head
top. However, this is one of the harder lanes to gank. You're definitely not killing Tidehunter up here,
especially with Warlock Heal behind him. Might be able to find Kauri and trying to bait him in right
now, disrupts him into the roll in. That'll do a lot of damage and I think he is 100% dead,
Especially with the early hits of both the Shadow Poison and that innate building up
But as he said can't do anything to the Titan or so it doesn't really matter
He's just back if you kill the support
But if the off laner is still able to play the lane like normal like
That's the power of the type there
There's nothing like we can do this guy for a lot of this game until the Queen is a lot bigger
Maybe tags later on or some Sonic wave action to chunk him down. What do you think about an earlier silver edge?
We've seen a lot of silver edges at this tournament early silver edge for the Dragonite
It could be interesting.
I wouldn't mind it.
I think you have to buy it later on though.
I do not think you want to go first item Silver Edge on Zero, sure.
It only presents enough threat on the map compared to some of the other carries like Wurtha.
So I would not want to see that, however, maybe third or fourth?
Absolutely, I think it'll come out here for Mickey.
He had a ridiculous DK game if you remember that.
Slaughter Liner.
I don't think they win that game.
in 9 out of 10 scenarios, unless Mickey plays a perfect Dragonite, which he did.
The difference though is they had Slaughter to amp up the DK damage, so he could kind
of 1v9 that game.
Here you don't really have anything helping with DK out.
It's more of a traditional liquid, like 1, 2, double-throwing carry line.
I'm actually gonna try.
Hit him with 3 poisons.
I don't know what this is done, but yeah, this is not gonna be enough.
And in fact, if anything, this board's gonna be in some trouble here.
US does take a lot of damage, but Phil is tofu and he's gonna be run down here, both Vera and Kauri, chasing him down
And they'll finish him off with a lame ward position that will be immediately de-warded, so...
I'm not really worth the odds.
Yeah, I don't think so.
Especially extra XP for the DK, or you protect your tide.
Well, it's gonna be a...
Ha ha ha ha!
An odds to ward given up on both sides immediately, I see.
Bring in the Supports mid for 6 minute power, there's so little mana on this floor though,
this fight seems a little difficult for a little bit.
Maybe I'm just gonna try harass Nisha down, they can early go, but with the roll in, Mera
slowed down, didn't get the kickback on him, kicked a boulder instead, Sonic Wave will
finish him off.
Now the disruption with buildup damage on Kiori, it's gonna be some trouble here,
they might actually be able to get a double, oh he blinked into an SF, he picked up
the amp damage, what a rotator.
Rotation from Nightfall that it nobody expected that plan. No, hey, this is not the carry player
You expect to be pulling some sort of your Toro as I look at him go you might get him here
He's gonna take a he's definitely gonna get him
That's kind of a lucky for him in a way like the fact of who's staying right yet now he sees and he's gonna go back
This is really awkward tofu. It's disruption. They're just trying to keep Lord off
In a situation where these you can come in and clean them up
But with the Sonic... with the no Sonic wave, and with the Reckwing being used...
Look at the...
The Knifelaw's gonna get...
Oh my god, he's gonna get him?
Oh, he's gonna get it during that dodge period.
He's gonna get the Denial and the Neutrals instead.
Still though, I mean, Knifelaw just bailed out Lornos' game twice in a row.
That was a massive move from him.
Not only for his game, but like you said, for the Storms.
Just for the tempo that Liquid are trying to present.
Anytime you can bring numbers against Liquid.
I think it's a great idea.
They just got Double Shrine?
I mean, Aurora is just running away with this game at this point.
He has lasting presence stacks.
But as these kills makes a huge difference,
so Hardy is hitting with that DV.
Nightfall, showing what this first big carry can do.
Liquid maybe regretting the trade of giving this hero away.
It's taking over this game probably a lot faster
than they anticipated.
27 Necromancery stacks, just nasty.
And this was part of Aurora's game plan in this series.
Like you can see, it's hero-independent.
Bringing numbers to these runes, making sure you shut Nisha down, don't give him that extra snowball.
Love this Nisha's reaction there.
What the hell?
Which got ganked like nightfall in this stupid tower room?
Somebody check this guy's PC right now, make sure it's him.
That's just the way he's supposed to do.
They might bring him in again here, he's kinda...
Thinkin' about it, or at least goin' in.
Boxy spots them, we'll be able to roll away, so...
Just deals back though, thanks Boxy!
Yeah, the stack will be taken away from him.
I'm gonna give him some mana here.
I really like how my pulse is playing this.
I think this is, to me, how you're supposed to use a free lane as a carry.
Like, not just sit here, A of K, kill ancients, use your strength, take over, farm the enemy map early,
don't let them play economy, and don't let them get these runes for free.
You can impact the game on a way larger scale. It's worth a lot more than you being 200 gold more far
There is some inherent risk to it though, right?
Like we are playing on the enemy side of the map, so you might end up just losing a lot of your momentum off of this play
But the upsides is so hot. Yeah
Ravages up they want to make a move on this dragonite gold to pop the book
Pop the gold just go for it
Well, hopefully one of these supports will go for the Lotus.
Because there is still an observable worth getting there.
Just even more golden experience.
Alright, here's going to find it now.
Oh, look at that.
A little freebie.
He's almost level 6.
Too bad.
Foxy's almost level 4.
Look at that.
He's having a rough one.
This is a hero we've come to kind of expect
to rough early for Boxion.
Big payoffs later, of course.
There's not gonna be a no-deal.
I don't know if I've seen him have this bad of a kill.
Oh, it's been down here.
It's about on par with Zavilo.
It feels like Liquid
drafted a bunch of heroes to try
trying to deal with shadow fiends. Heroes that would be a little bit more durable, but
if this shadow fiend is so goddamn yoked, he's lucky to get out of there. It may not
matter that you have like underlord reduced his damage and the dragonite has a bunch of
armor and... I agree, you know? He's also already got extra souls. Let's think of this
hero, if he gets a bunch of kills and doesn't die, you know, he's sitting on five extra,
You farm faster, you get farther ahead than when you enter the fight, maybe you have some
nasty presence stacks when you get that first kill.
Kind of snowball's really fast.
You don't have insane physical mitigation.
I also think the Warlock was a nice addition.
I mean, it makes the Dragon Island look way less of a threat.
Bons is an issue for Liquid this game.
They don't have a lot of natural dispell, if any.
It's all going to come from items or like shadow demon cleanse later on.
Yeah.
So in the early fights, you really have to be worried.
That's annoying for Earth Spirit to play into, because you're a natural Bond-star when you roll in.
And the walk has to stay in for your magnetized overtime.
So I think Liquid have to be really smart about how they take fights in this game.
Can we go back to Nightfall?
Where do you, uh...
Nightfall in real life.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Real life VKBTP.
Alright, here's the best.
Pizza delivery.
Pizza party.
But not for me.
A shield rune on Lornoff, so they really can't touch him.
Liquid really don't have any moves that they can make for quite some time.
I mean, Nisha can maybe go for it solo, but he doesn't really have stuff for us that
he can play off.
I think they would have to bring Mika into a move if they make one.
Which could be... you smoke to mid or bottom with DK going through gate or joining the play.
Then I think you have enough heroes and damage to force an option like that.
It doesn't look easy though with how underleveled the Urspirit is.
And you're going into ravaged Bond's goal.
I don't know, that sounds like you're just giving the fight a royal one right to him with all the results online.
There's another golem on mid.
High five, pretty sure.
Of course, the clock to blink back.
Trying to clean this tower with the demonic purge will get rid of the shield and then I'll force him off the tower.
I'll bring the tide hunter into this. They really want to get this objective.
Yeah, oh, then at that point, can't liquid even stand here anymore.
No, you gotta outspam it a bit. If a roar really want to force this, you'd have to take the full team fight or...
or concede the objective and then I think you just concede the objective again unless the DJ is ready to join this
doesn't have his armor yet
Without magnetized you're not wearing this fight
This little heads of coffer warrants will open up that triangle where they're gonna try and look for any stacks that are lingering
The stacks were already taken by ace earlier, but they can catch him forming a new ancient camp pull him back into the golem here
WS doesn't even need to use much here. Just the finger death will put down ace
This little cobalt cup helps the line get in range with the extra moves to be here too
I feel like a roar have had a pretty good
strategic idea against liquid here just early on in the early stages
Again hero independent just how they want to play in some invade early take tier ones put liquid on the back
but tempo wise bring numbers to fight all that I think is
exactly how you want to play against the team because normally that's the type of
thing they look for so you just do it it's like it's often you know the best
counter-slinger notices do what that does better like one way to deal with push
lineups is you just push them because they're notoriously bad at dealing with
the push like Chen doesn't deal with push you know yep so in some ways the
same applies on a macro scale if liquid are a very strong team of
playing tempo bringing numbers to fights if you do that first you put
Demo in the back foot, you can put them in a really awkward position. They don't get to play their game
They have to suddenly play a more defensive, farm-oriented game which they can still do. I think Ace is
One of the most consistent offlaners because he can play both sides of this coin
Like if he's grouping up with Or is it pushing, he's your man
If you also got to farm your way back in the game and be really efficient in the jungle
He's your man. So
That's some of the value you can provide Lyft right now.
He's doing that, getting his way back in this game, despite that really rough laning stage bottom.
They have magnetized.
They're firing.
Waiting on Harun here, Mira.
Goes for it, nearly gets ganked.
Now, the rest of Aurora is still in the neighborhood.
Whether or not they choose to take that fight, be WS and then they're going like,
Man, this would be a dream ravage, but the team doesn't really seem like they
want to take it.
Understandable, there's no chaotic off-ring.
It's not like Nifle could be in a position for a good requiem.
be a pick off here is Boxy's caught down river but he gets a roll over the
Roshan pit and away he goes. Not much to try and do there for a war. Liquid bring
numbers, secure haste room for co-op, that is not a hero you want to try and
contest in an open area like that. Back to farming, nice little victory for them.
DK's just taking creeps, pop the whole time. Mk yet to enter this game
0-0-0, but he is very high level, higher level than the SF with all those kills.
Power of the Ancient Clearing. And it has his armling on, so this game will start once the DK decides to join.
That was good. Stammed on the Ancient Campus, if Aurora wanted to try and find him here,
they're gonna run into Nisha first though. Nisha get caught and he gets a blink away,
That ruins most of this smoke play.
Unless Liquid are still going to dare the area.
Apparently, Niki is not too afraid.
Maybe he should be though.
He's so tanky.
Moxie, look at the kick him away though.
Pulls him out, kicks him a little bit of distance,
away from the chaotic offering, away from the gate.
So, it was a bit of a bait there from Liquid.
They wanted Aurora to blow some things on a very tanky hero.
He survives, no problem.
Definitely caused him a little there.
Using Gold, they planted another OBS.
and not that use whole of an area other than for that kill.
Box the instant kick away on Lornaf.
It does make you get the roll out here, Tofu.
I mean, they're just trying so hard to get liquid heroes and not finding anything.
Found the OBS.
Yeah, that's about it.
I mean, even WS was trying really hard to keep Esha off the creep wave,
but it obviously, Esha isn't threatened by the tide.
He just grabs the creep wave, pulls it down the river.
very hard to find kills on a lineup that has tanky cores and effective double
saving supports. First tier it's just really tough to kill if you have to get a
higher kill. I can't help but thinking the timing of this is just a little bit
off. You give the lion a lane for a minute and a half he will have blink
dagger and I think that makes a world of difference. WS might be forced into a
ravage here or maybe just accepts death he's just gonna accept it no not much
else he could do that DK lingering in the area gives you the extra kill power
there playing up a little too far the team went back to farm that will be the
lion blink and the storm breeze I assume is done you did go degrees build here for
utility so the double utility core is behind this shadow fiend I think this
This is the one hero you can do it for, still not a fan of this build on Stormfire's individual
scale but it can pay off if you just played through the Shadow Phoenix and won the E-pods
again.
I also didn't think this was a game for it, like I'm a fan of it, I actually think it's
fine if it's a good game force where he really needs that Dispout.
I don't think that's this game.
It's just pure utility, I'm not a fan.
You know?
It's gonna be nice against Earth Spirit Silence later.
It's a very annoying spell in the fights.
Just with your other BKB probably.
Yeah, I mean, they could just farm up the BKB, drag a tail,
into a follow-up stun here to close combo Lord off with the Guardian Grease.
We'll be okay here. Now the Ravage Requiem combo hits Liquid
and with the Fatal Bonds,
even these tanky boys.
Short work is made of them as Mickey is the first
You're good arm like toggles the doubt you'll be able to pull that off like five different times
Like the requirement Mira drops the ward does not get Nisha and time though
Logs yep. No not the storm chasing after Nisha
He fogged them with those two little trees there. Yes, I'm career
Going to be dropped on the Roche pad
Easy Roche for a war here they already have to shout
He might fall super confident. That is the power of the lion in the final parts.
Eh, very tough stuff, 5v5's up.
We're tied on the front line, rabbit's ball directly.
You need underworld ores to combat that, to survive and turn that fight around.
Probably even dragon IPKD in this game.
Early ages? Give it to the store?
Yeah, Narkatern as well. Aurora starting to build a little lead here.
Tofu, I think the sad part of this early laning phase going so terribly is the fact that he's agged.
It may never come to fruition in this game, which would be a really great tool having a break mechanic like that against the tide.
It's a big agg to get to. Also, double purchase scheme. You ideally want to be able to purge the SF plus somebody else.
Like part of this trade that Liquid went for in this SF versus the shadow demon is that the shadow demon does have a good match up against this hero
Yeah
Gotta get pumped. Why does he have a good matchup against a hero?
So PKP piercing disabled that can help kite the SF out
disseminates a good burst tool and then I
Guess I feel like on somebody's cores or you can ever disrupt the SF. It's good setup
The kiting is not nearly as debilitating as it is to many other carries.
No, I don't think it's...
He's still at very long range.
I don't think it's just super one-sided, that trip.
Shadow team with the most damage on liquid, 8.5k.
He went the...
went the Shadow Poison build.
Yeah.
It's gonna be the higher DPS build than early,
and he did get some value out of it.
out of it. Three kills, three sys.
It's also his way to like push out lanes.
Yeah, farm.
Try and, you know, push back against this Aurora.
Five stack into towers a little bit.
I think it's important you go to this build if the four is not going to take a
lot of creep plays of farm, which is first for it does not.
For liquid, at least in a lot of the early portions.
Yeah.
So you need a support.
You can shove out mid.
You need a support that can set up some stacks, do a little jungle clearing.
This poison build on SD does it really well.
So you're pretty much playing SD4 here, which tofu is a foreplay. Works out quite nicely for them.
Back home for him. Like this is the kind of mid pushing that you want a support to do.
You don't want a core to have to show here. One, it's scary, and two, it's not that efficient for them
in terms of where you want to be farming through the map.
Yeah a lot there aren't really a lot of valuable neutral camp farming areas around it.
it. Well, the axe is done for the clop. Don't really think that solves any teamfight issues
though. I feel like Aurora is still going to have the better of them in that regard
until maybe you get Crimson Guard and BKB. Maybe? Right, initiation? Maybe? Better initiation
is definitely going to be found by Aurora time and time again is the blink dagger for the lion
and the storm spirit makes things pretty easy for them and that's why it's dangerous to shove
that mid lane with the single core and these games where a lot of heroes are off the map you show
there for instance it's very likely there's vision it's very likely the smoke move happens
that it's going at least through mid lane to one of the two jungle areas
i was right as you get your quad bags you get killed by this lion blink another finger charge
And they're just gonna go do tormentor here
Pretty easy objective clear with the shadow fiend powering it up still ages for two and a half as well
They scan them on the wisdom shrine or not he would have gone in there, but
That's game lighting up
Also would have been insanely greedy to do that while you're also doing tormentor both teams have their pipe
Feet closed to Crimson, for Ace here, about 300 gold off, and very close to the BKB on
the Dragonite.
I think that will be the time for Liquid to try and take a head-on fight.
It's likely around the time the Aegis expires, you're going to have your double Underoid
aura and then you'll have BKB on the DK versus Dispel, plus being able to just
sit there against all these biggles.
I think it's dangerous for a liquid to take fights before Dragon Age 2.
I don't like them really looking for this.
I think this is a very rough timing to try and force it.
Or take the tier 2 without.
Any strong response from liquid.
They're kind of in the area, but as I said, not the right timing for it.
Ace can't even feel confident about pushing out the lanes too heavily.
We are really into tier one. They're really scared to push lanes right now.
They don't have a lot of deep vision and the threat of storm lying on the map.
Whenever these two are not under an ops, which there aren't a lot, and they're
not showing on a wave, it's pretty scary to push the lanes out.
You know constricted liquor are getting right now. They have one ops bottom,
which is a scouting much right now.
Rora.
About to get a second tier two and Liquid have not claimed a single tier one.
That's crazy.
One of the teams there are a lot of heaps. I felt like they just took all three tier one.
Long zip over. Nisha does manage to get a blink back. They're still going to chase after him here.
Lorna actually using too much of his mana. All the neutral creeps though.
A sound comes in from Boxy. That might just bail out Nisha.
In fact, Mira is likely to die here. Sonic wave on the screen.
the screen does manage to get off a finger but it's well enough still some
mana boxy goes for TP away it's gonna be close call but he does end up going
down support for support not the most efficient kill for as they really forced
that jump again just trying to constrict the map the map control for them is more
important than the kills so we'll be calvin I stacks look at nightfall
already setting up on this bottom lane, Liquid.
They want to be able to push out some of these other lanes.
But a no PKB Dragonite pulled directly into the Requiem.
And a golem dropped on him just for good measure.
Let's go ahead and take that final tier two.
Ace came through for this.
That's a pretty crazy move.
Lordoff almost got caught there.
They are going to jump in on Nisha immediately
by the hex, and now he's dead.
They need to ravage it.
Liquid's seen all a lot of sorts, man.
It's really tough to take these fights, and that's another fight you get dragged into before the DKBGV.
Say what you want.
Draft-wise, I don't even think you can judge drafts too heavily here in this game.
Liquid just, from the start of the game, has looked perhaps the worst that we've seen them the entire D Dreaming.
They're just getting outmaneuvered from laying stage all over it.
Now you're just getting run down your base, and this is...
very one-sided very quickly I feel like there's a little bit of difference here
on ace versus say like 33 I feel like in this sort of game ace would have just
been very easy 33 would have been barreling down that off lane and taking
that tower wouldn't care if you die you know like he'd be like I'm putting
pressure on this lane you have to come you know gank me whereas liquid are very
They're like grouping up a lot playing on their side of the map a lot looking for an opportunity, but Aurora are just way too tight
They have given them zero openings to play a team fight with I
Got your point. I think there's
That's you had to find a way to do that in this game
I just think the way that double melee offline went and got punished so hard with the early first bloods
The way pulling got stopped the SF took over had early extra souls and lasting presence link
I just don't think there was a way to go through this bottom lane with how strong this
vessel was.
This is the problem with the heroes.
He does so much damage and he's so good at infusing melee heroes.
Now, as you show there, if I fuck this out of the trees, he raises you twice.
You can't stay down there, you know?
The only way is if you threaten Aurora back, if you make it scary for them to
have stayed on this safe lane for longer, which I think meant bringing DK into the
equation.
Let's say it's Dragon Knights of Monkey King.
get first time in the fuselage and you can go down there and you can threaten this SF showing
down there.
Or you just jump in and take the flight.
That I think is the type of move Liquid would look for to open up this map, they just couldn't
do that.
And maybe looking back at their war points in the early game I'm sure that, you know,
if you watched the replay, oh we could have made the rotation here with this rune
or this little opening.
If you don't find those then the game is going to spiral really quickly and you're
left in this situation where nobody can walk down this bottom lane unless you
of the entire team, and even then, because all these tier 1s are up.
Or just got a TP in and take the fight.
You're gonna back up whoever's here.
You go on this Tidehunter, there's a tier 1, they're just into TP too.
SF.
They do have Ward Century on that high ground, so if Nightfall were to try and loop around,
you'd be spotted, but...
just plays it defensively.
No need to really stretch out there, you've already defended the tower.
Liquid once again, left with...
A good 25% of the map while Aurora owned a solid 75.
We'll be able to hit it at least a little time in here.
They got the Dragonite BKB, it's a full duration.
They have their Oras on the other side with the Pike Crimson.
And they will have the Agatom Scepter on the Shatterdor for Double Purge plus Break.
That gives you a way easier way to deal with this Tide Hunter on the front line.
There's no save for WS and his key.
If you can break the tide, roll in, silence it.
You can't just all in WS here.
There's no way around it. You pretty much have to just try and go all in for interruption.
Now, will you win the fight after that as liquid is a whole other question.
That's still a tough fight to win.
But at least you have that open.
X-Gatter Demon... Oh, Toku's gonna get picked off right away.
Well, that axe is not gonna come as a surprise to our war now.
Spooky there for boxing.
35 Necromastery charges for this shadow, he's massive.
11 ahead of the base stats.
Yeah, so now with the level 20 he's getting an extra 210 damage.
That's so disgusting.
So what the hell is that?
210 bonus.
I don't know who's a couple here, but that's still 180 bonus, I mean?
It's why this hero is so disgusting.
The damage ramp is the best in the game.
Like, I don't know of any other core hero that ramps the damage as fast as SF in a game
they're winning.
It's soon to be completing a Daedalus.
Pretty much Liquid's only chance is to keep the SF from hitting anything because it's only going to take one or two hits.
Look at that smoking, they have the Queen DKB, so this is as good as it gets.
Gotta find some breaks into the silence, keep the Underlord alive with the Aura's running.
Rora, you're gonna smoke stacked on top of their own tier one tower.
They've been reading liquid this entire time.
They are gonna make the jump on the SF here.
Try and take away that E just right away.
They got him once, but he's gonna come back on a second life.
Lordoff is gonna make sure they stick around for that second life.
The SF is back up at a play.
The BKB is gonna wear thin pretty soon for the storm spirit,
so he starts dipping away, but now Mira's gonna catch somebody.
Putting himself in a position, gets the hex onto the Dragonite in the backline.
Line's worn out, now follows it up with a finger of death and there is the two hits from the Shadowfiend.
That's all you really need. Another two hits kills the Underlord, another two kills Tofu.
It's just one by one heroes of Liquid getting two shots.
They could not disadvantage.
I think that's benefits. It's okay for Liquid, like the pick does a lot, the SM gets held back for a long time.
You just can't stand around against the BKB storm going in.
Everybody gets Bonds there.
Didn't even have to use Ravage, nobody else still has it up.
For a while.
No Requiem as well?
Just right clicks.
With all these extra souls.
200 bonus damage with a Gunpowder Gauntlet with the Vast Attack Range.
On top of finishing Gato's there, he is completely out of control.
He has less lasting presence stacks as well.
Shadowfiend Dota, 11-0 game from Nightfall.
He played it damn well.
This was not some like, oh I afk'ing jungle for 30 minutes and then showed up.
I think he was in pretty much every fight.
He's been involved in 18 out of their 21 kills.
Deceiving right there.
It's great for 1200 right now.
It's liquid just smoking out.
Trying to find anything.
It'd be amazing if they found this after playing out.
Oh yeah, no BKB shadow theme too.
Like this is-
This is an insanely good pick off.
Pick up, pick him back into the rest of the team, he's dead.
No biggie, no nightfall.
I feel like Aurora have played a flawless game,
I think for 30 minutes.
They have played around each other constantly.
That one just felt like you guys.
You know, we're so far ahead,
you feel like the game has already won.
Nightfall is just hanging around on their triangle.
He was trying to farm it and get out.
I think his read of like the creeps pushing
in the liquid space, he was looking at this mid lane, nobody was showing
and at that point he tried to bail, the smoke was pretty fast from liquid
and their reaches, they have an insane reach with Ursprit who can roll in blink
and then find you, make you underestimated a little
sure, it is a big kill to give up, it was a 2000 gold kill
he lost a bunch of his souls
2000 gold kill
losing the bonus souls is what hurts maybe more there
Did you get lost, Shard?
It's not gonna change this game drastically here.
For Liquid, it gives him a little hope in some momentum.
Five more seconds.
I
Step his backup liquid don't get another pick off while he's dead. They don't get an objective outside of the tower
Something I think does a whole lot enough
Prasma thanks for Lornaf he's growing larger and larger
I love the the Vlad's choice.
He's okay. He sold it.
He bought the Vlad's on Kari, and then I think WS told him like, bro, I I went first time.
It's our lads.
I was going to mention having a Vlad's off later with that stuff is also
prime real estate right there.
So Kari's like, okay, well.
What a what other utility can I get? You know what's good?
Let me just get an axe.
Here is solar glimmer that double glimmer cape.
I honestly think Wind Waker is amazing in this game except you're playing against double
demonic purge.
This is part of the issue.
Your utility here is not that great, assuming demonic purges are going on in the DSF.
There's not a lot you can really buy to help Nightfall, like you can load us over there
or whatever.
And you're still gonna purge him.
You could buy Lincolns, I guess.
That's actually...
I would actually argue Lincolns on this warlock might be better than Agz.
Just throw Lincolns on Nightfall.
What? What? What? Another greet? Okay. I guess it makes him a little tankier. I'd prefer
Lincoln, sir. Teach yourself.
AC for ace. I mean, if he gets on top of ESF, probably feels pretty good. Yup, he hits
pretty hard. He is not going to die very quickly. Helps the DJ as well. Can he get
on top of the SF and stay there.
Look what you've got, it's super dependent on the initiation.
They have to find some sort of chain stun on the SF or break chain stun kill tide.
I think those are your two options to start a fight.
If the fight starts any other way, it's going to just collapse real quickly.
You don't have to stay tannic on the dragon that or anything to take that kind of fight
where he can just sit there.
I mean, A's top. That would be...
Tough guy to go on first.
Looking for the Ravage opportunity. Micky, he's gonna show immediately Ravage.
All in, trying to kick him away. He got off the BKB. The finger of death was not enough damage.
Now the Dragantail, the Storm Steer, who also gets purged out of his shield room.
Disrupting real quick on an A's to make sure he's okay.
But now the break is put on the poor old Dunderlord.
And all the damage from Aurora thrown at him.
They didn't get their first target or their second target, but somebody was gonna die for that.
Lucky to get the DK out of there.
Don't kick in on the SF! What a play! He does pop his BKB immediately. Liquid, free disengage off of that one.
As long as the claw survives, and this is pretty good for Liquid, they're gonna go back in off of this one.
Roll in after Lorna. Lorna popping his BKB. Sonic wait, didn't complete a kill just yet.
Trying to hit the daggers, he just dips away, jump in the middle of all of 3-1, there goes Boxie.
Where'd you go, son?
I think he was hoping to get a kick back there, but got a hex before he could do so.
I got kicked in the head.
Got a concussion after that one.
He just has to watch this thing.
He was back up the floor here.
Hexed, Nisha, tofu, disruption last second, but he's so low here.
Their 80 spell covers it and it just instantly kills Nisha on...
No buy.
Coming out of the disruption, no buyback.
So, it's gonna be Vegas for sure here.
Yeah, Liquid, they're just gonna have to hold on to tier fours.
Hope that.
Or I gotta back up and do Roshan, which it is about Rosh time after they do this late a baron.
Just throw a bar head.
You keep going forward trying to defend these rats, but your TK form is out.
Foxy, he's gonna be jumped, and he's gonna die back for him, now they go back to ace.
And this SF makes short work of anybody. If there's nobody threatening him, and he's just swinging, the game is over.
That's been the story of the game. I mean, they found the one kill on him, but otherwise, Nightfall with the perfect deployance here shows you...
Why is Feroz still terrifying to give away? You think he can get answer storm in theory?
He ramps up so quickly, he just pulls ahead and never looks back because he delivers you all your objectives, he gives you your high ground.
He always gives you the damage to cut through. I think heroes at Dota that
Always give you the confidence to bring tanky boys down any meta are just making them
I think it's a reason we saw heroes like Timbersaw been really strong so I'm like making them
You just you're never seeing they're going do we have the damage to go on this guy?
Do we have the damage to kill this front-liner? You don't have to ask them. You can just make the play
I think it simplifies the game a lot
I think it's part of the strength of this hero even if again you can deal with it
I don't think Liquid weren't necessarily super out drafted here, I think looking back they probably had to make some more early moves with the Queen and DK going into that SF lane.
Not just to kill the SF, but take that tower, open up space, they were way too strict in this game.
Losing all the tier 1s, getting their triangle invaded multiple times, losing power rooms, that's too much against a really good team that's in the zone right now.
So to me that was all stuff that's draft independent, but you can draft to help yourself accomplish those tasks.
a shut down team liquid in game 1, limiting them to only 8 kills.
Or perhaps liquid are limiting themselves by letting this shadow fiend go through time
and time again.
They are trying to prove that they can beat it, but sometimes some heroes are just not
meant to be beat, and Nightfall especially was spreading his demon wings on this hero.
That dude was everywhere in like the first 8 minutes of the game, and was building
up these Necromancery stacks and lasting presence and well the snowball just continued rolling
downhill from there Quinn. Liquid proved that now two times in a row it's too much of a hero
to beat. Yeah I mean I'll be always the first one to call it some you know sussy nightfall
performance when it comes out but there was no sussy performance here he legitimately owned
there were some moves that I was genuinely super impressed by and he just played a
good solid game and Liquid they still look shaken up from last night. I think the draft,
you can argue it's not all there, but I think the gameplay is really the deciding factor
and the situation got straight up outplayed and that's not a good sign. What Brian said
during the prior draft I agree with a lot that I think Liquid either comes into the
last day insanely confident they know all the heroes and they roll you over and I
think if they don't roll you over then it is not a good sign for them.
Yeah, one thing that's really interesting coming out of that first game.
So Warlock, we talked about, you just don't lane against it.
But I think the caveat here is you have to make the Warlock lane there.
Like because if you pick such a weak duo off lane, then Aurora is allowed to rotate
the Warlock to the off lane.
So they win that lane too, and they can win a lane with Lion 5.
Like how often in pubs is a carry?
Are you thinking, yes, I have a Lion 5.
We're going to dominate our lane.
Lion is like balanced around not winning his lane. The hero is not a very strong laner
So by picking the Earth Spirit they actually allowed they technically lost two lanes and then what I've been looking at on all these top tier teams
Is when they win a lane really hard, how do they spill it over into the other lanes as soon as possible and night falls moves to mid just like
Completely turn the tide of that one because Nisha was level six when Lorna was level five
They were trying to pick on Lornoff and Nightfall not only saved him, but also got kills in return
I think nightfall is stepping it up looking like the carry in the best form coming into the final day and
Mira's playing great as well
The whole team is but I think he is really the last few games if you look at his performances
His KDA is off the charts and it's not even like he has to get this hero or that hero
I feel like he's he's really stepping up
And I think he's probably gonna carry them through this series. This is a sign of good things to come from Aurora
But for a liquid it is a bit nerve-wracking now because yes
Now it is two days in a row where we're seeing a trend and that's what we saw from Aurora
Whenever they lost the liquid like five days ago
And so these teams seem to be getting caught in the emotions a little bit more than we would have hoped for at this stage
of the tournament
Yeah, I think um, I don't liquid they won the last tournament, right?
they won the blast, but I think for me personally, I still have some doubts because I think the
way this team is born, like I'm not sure if Ace has really fit with the other players
in a lot of ways, like I think we've seen the last three games at least, he's had some
really rough lanes, and it's almost not been a part of the game, and so I question like,
have they been fully incorporated there, right?
This whole thing with sometimes tofu lanes with Ace, sometimes boxing lanes with Ace,
that weird dissonance there about like the laning pairs and how Ace integrated into
the team still leaves me with some question marks.
I know that I spoke to him, I think one of the interviews that we did actually, he was talking about the fact that when he lanes with Tofu, they have about an 80% win rate.
That's what his claim, and when it's him or Boxer, they have much less. So I think he feels much more comfortable landing with Tofu,
but then of course you're taking Boxer out of his natural position as a 4 and making him a 5 server.
It's tricky either way, but yeah, they're struggling with the offlane in a way that, for example, Tundra don't as much.
much more rigid and fixed around this 33 has a good lane and we're gonna build
around that and it's kind of like aces I don't know they're kind of thrown under
the bus a few times which is like well your lanes gonna suck and it's all on
Nisha to do everything that's what it feels like. How about in terms of Aurora's
performance for the series, Quinn would you have your eye on? Well I had some
looks at some things in the early game and then also just a cheeky little
play from Mickey because that was really impressive but no I mean I have this
Nightfall move. You can see there on the minimap. He's headed down the river
He's coming to the rune, which is common at the 8 minute rune, but not super calm at the 6 minute rune
And then as this play breaks down, Nisha blinks into the loving arms of Nightfall. What BAM!
Waxing him. It's like what the hell's a shallow theme doing there? Yeah at 6 minutes
This is genuinely unprecedented like you just do not see the carry walking to the rune at 6 minutes
But this happens because they're safely and is so free
They're able to push the wave in which then gives you the freedom to
The offlaner to simply not notice from unexpected and come this early and not only does he get the first kill
But he sticks around after as a nice record from the hill and even though they don't kill the Queen here
He uses a whole lot of HP which gives a ton of freedom to storm and then he also gets them actually as the old
But he dies
Which is more time the Earth Spear is off the map
More goes on bottom if you get another underlord kill here like nightfall was all over the place being in a ton of action
Which I think was absolutely massive. This is a moment that I think
Like, Aurora actually slips up a little bit, it's somewhat interesting where they take in
Top Tower and Tide kind of comes and runs in it, but you can see Mika on the top of the
mini map there, running around and farming top waves, farming the ancients, and I think
they actually lose a little bit of momentum here compared to what they could have had,
but it didn't really matter to be honest in the end, as the game is even here still,
but they make great moves, they're combining their heroes together, the game is even,
this is where it comes to that sort of Aurora, sure they had a cool draft, but they
played really, really well.
Here's the Omelette, so yes, this was legit crazy.
Another one! What the bass is happening?
Any guys anyway. It's sad, but still super impressive.
But no, I think overall Aurora, they all played liquid.
Like you can see it's like 15 minutes, the game is even.
Generally those games are not like,
yeah they were super overdrafted, they couldn't play when the game is even at 15 minutes
and you just lose a teamfight.
No, Aurora, they're just, they're playing better, and I think Nightfall,
I think player of the game so far.
I mean player of the series, it just keeps up.
I'll tell you something, here's how you get your carry to rotate early like that.
like that. He gets bonus max souls with the innate, or with the fastest, sorry, it's like
plus one max soul I think for every hero call until he dies. So then he's like motivated.
Yeah.
That's how you do it.
He likes to carry, not just pick.
If you're okay, mood.
You have to angle the carrot ahead.
Yeah.
Okay. That's the incentive. That's how you get your carries to rotate around. Or
maybe even getting the job at the end of the game because Nightfall is proving
that these types of movements are getting him a wins. Now can you do it again or
or we'll liquid strike back.
Let's find out as we get ready for the break
for game number two.
Hello this is Nihra from the liquid and we're guessing the people's ranks today.
The build obviously says that the players do a huge smoke from staff as well, from like
a backpack, so I would say a decent player, but he's aiming from the smoke, he blinks
And he kill Mervyn, okay, pick some breakers, or I'm kind of quick break, kind of quick break.
So this is the PC, right?
Because this is for the 9th level.
I mean, it is perfect, so I think it's immortal.
Problems, item build.
Can't be wrong, can't be wrong.
Because, top of the high rank also do this, because of 9th class meta.
And I'm just not really sure about the design.
Minikotu and I think that's a good thing.
Divide.
That's Divide, you know.
Because after that, he's like that.
I mean, he's not copied, but he's good at throwing, I mean, he's good at it.
So I don't think that was something.
I mean, the way he did it, he was waiting for PA.
He was actually like staying on the smoke, not really going backwards when the enemy's coming.
So yeah, I think it's Mortals.
Say that the guy is pretty good.
I will say Mortals.
Crusader.
Okay, holy.
It's too game, I'm a player.
I mean, the way he did it is actually really good.
It's morphing.
Okay, it's morphing.
So, what do I watch here?
Okay, actually, his moves are on point.
I can't even watch this fight.
Kunkka fighting still is suspicious as rank wise.
Monkey kind of did everything right.
The way he hits Kunkka while he is low HP, it's not that good.
like he's not really charging his boots like he just he didn't put it as a strand boots I would say
the way this guy actually moved I like he hits and back he hits back he hits back like
when Dota was not about like 17 or 18 mmk mmr or like maximum was seven
he would move like oh they would just click and wait you know they were just like one click
And this guy is raving and thinking like, he's good at the version.
Okay, like, I mean, the Kunka is a bot, let's be honest.
But like, maybe the guy is like tilted and he's fighting until the last breath.
Oh, there's like nothing wrong with this guy.
Let's just go arc on that one.
Ah, okay.
Nice.
Ooh!
Yep.
Okay, so he doesn't have stick.
That's, I mean, he's playing the Viper though.
Yes, his build is on point, he has a mango in failure, I assume it's a random storm, honestly.
No soul ring, that's a little slow, but maybe if he's angling, it's fine.
Okay, okay, the zips are very questionable.
I mean, the void, okay, this has to be like...
...in the same boat.
Because I am a Tenboy and a Mongo.
I don't know what is going on here.
I don't know.
They have good rap.
Let me see what's going to happen.
The move from Bristol is not on the issue here.
That looks like a hurdle.
It's a blow.
Yeah, I know you are a Sweden player, I think.
Probably he cast his spell at the beginning.
It's not that great.
He can just keep hitting the pulgna
and not using ulti that much, because the way he used ulti is it makes him burn so much on his mana
and I know he has 3 damage but it's not really necessary to do that, I would say to say that
I would even say that it's more low on the medallion because of how he spends his mana on the ulti
Arakon?
Yeah, I'm trying to understand, I would guess it's Guardian
Yeah, I mean the way the people move, the way he used ulti, he doesn't have stick in his pocket
He's trying to attack Pugna solo without support, he's wasting all his mana and then the Bristol moves like, I don't know, like he's just throwing the game, honestly like 2 months ago.
Chrono is like, what is happening? Why is he Chrono? Why is he running right? Nobody knows.
Like everything is just kinda weird. This one was okay. I'm going to head out for this one.
Oh, that's so cool.
Thanks for watching, these clips give me so much confidence and that's it, bye!
I wanna see you doing some more
Ain't no words that can't describe the fear that night comes over me
It's a nice time to dance
Well, you gotta do tonight's day
It's the night, won't you get into the groove
It's the perfect time to night
You may talk, you're so true
So come with me
You wanna live, there's a hand behind
It's the night, don't you know
I'm true, so come with me
You wanna live those days behind
Let this party go on
And I'm on it
I'm on it
That's that's that's that's that's that's that
The clash of ideas between KPM and Blitz continue in our lower bracket final where Aurora are
currently up one game, although maybe it is the product of getting a Shadow Fiend or not.
In the Tundra series yesterday, Quinn, Game 2 was far less competitive than Game 1, and
I don't know how much of that was a product of how Game 1 went, or if it was just a Game
2 draft, it was just an out-draft.
I mean, I'd say it's a little bit of both, to be honest.
I think they definitely got all played.
Like, Tundra was definitely the better team yesterday, but also the draft was better.
And I am kind of worried for Liquid.
I think they need to...
Someone needs to have a speech.
They need to, like, something needs to switch.
needs to be flipped because they are kind of on tilt right now I feel like they are not
flying well. I think Ace especially feels very disjointed in the team. He's very low
net worth and he's not really a part of the game in a big way. They're losing skirmishes
like everything is going wrong and so they need to wake up because they are asleep.
Yeah because I from an outsider perspective I feel like am I being too harsh where at
this stage of the tournament clearly like with the strong game they topped all of
group stage 2 undefeated but then these past day and a half have just kind of instilled
little bit of worry for me. I mean something I praised about the format of this tournament yesterday
was that there's this meta that it's such a long duration tournament that Aurora was winning with
Ursa and then teams figured out and they lost with Ursa four times in a row and so the deciding
factor in their game against Extreme yesterday was Extreme letting them have Ursa and then
feeding and then losing to it. So I feel like what I'm trying to say is that with Liquid
You either have the answers or you don't at the stage of the tournament and when you're looking the shaky like
I don't think this is now the time to figure out
How do we come back from this?
Do you know I'm saying like that's already like in a tournament
That's only been going on for like a week or it had like one group stage in a playoff
Like I think that's very feasible
But right now it's it seems like the meta has had it's like three or four stages
And now we find them just at the disadvantage what I'm watching and for that ping pong you to go back and forth
If it does add up with how these two teams have matched up, because in Group Stage 1 Aurora
2-0'd Liquid, and then in Group Stage 2 Liquid got the Beaver Bottle, and they 2-1'd Aurora,
and now perhaps here in playoffs lower bracket finals Aurora may get the better.
But if they're going to do that, they're going to make sure not to give Liquid the
Shadow Fiend as we get into the draft for game number 2.
Trianche Shadow Fiend Largo actually does get respect banned out against Liquid
and Razor as well.
They pick a shout-event Windranger, Flipper, Batrider, first pick for Liquid, and a nightfall
of Baton, quick response.
I know for a fact that they've lost with a Baton at least once, maybe twice, direct
responding to Batrider in the first round.
My thoughts on this are that a Baton will technically free farm the lane, but he doesn't
stop Batrider from Firefly, cutting creeps, getting really early ore items, and then
just running at your teammates.
And I've also seen Nightfall a few times overreact on a badden.
What I'm looking for in this game is that they give themselves like a support plus mid,
maybe like a disruptor plus quap, I'm just giving you an example, that actually threatens
the bad rider on the map and he makes sure he stays in his lane on Nightfall and hits
that early radiance because it's uncharacteristic mistakes from him that I've seen on a badden
that I think are accounting for this slightly underwhelming win rate for the hero.
Because he's been picking most of them.
AP's from Australia, isn't it?
Yes.
That man seen the moon upside down, Neil.
Consider that.
Because that means...
For much of human history, people had no idea whether the moon was one way up or the other.
Sure.
Certainly in recent times, you've been able to move up and down through the hemispheres
and say, holy shit, the moon's the wrong way up.
What changes the mind?
It does.
What I'm saying, it expands the mind.
I'm gonna have to think about that later.
Will has only seen the moon one way up.
That is a good one.
Both ways up therefore his mind is expanded therefore. He's gonna win this draft. He's got a more
Deep deep deep thoughts of flocks clean anything to follow that up with I like the moon looks like cheese
Kind of cheesy
Really, any kind cheese. Whatever cheese I give my house right in kind of dairy. I'd love that
That's just we cheese old-fashioned way with our mouths
Hey, man
Maybe it will be the grilled cheese with the bad writer because the game that you're citing
Bsj is it was Aurora versus Tundra and yes
They did respond to the first fake tundra bad writer with night falls of badden and after that
It was a Phoenix centaur Nick's assassin and a huskar for Aurora
And the husk was I guess specifically against Tundra's coddle plus tiny combo
Yeah, I know Kari just doesn't play it
But meaning he only plays a small pool of heroes and we're probably just gonna see a warlock
but I really think Disruptor just owns this hero.
Batrider, specifically.
On the map in the game, I'd be curious if they at all have a different answer than last time.
What did they respond to last time? The game you were just looking at, Neil?
It was the Phoenix.
Oracle also, the traditional.
But it's like classic. I don't think they'd be picking it.
I think you only pick Oracle if your carry can't naturally defend itself.
itself right but in this case like I I I firmly believe with a bat and you now
need to threaten the bat rider but they just a little maybe they'll swap lanes
like maybe they move like a four-position hero that would that confirm
era that lanes bottom maybe they do that that might be a good option because
it could they can win both lanes that way perhaps I agree with B.S.A. I don't
think warlock a badness particularly good against bat rider like you'll
chill but that will also be fine and it's bat you want to own this hero
early because he farms really really fast if he gets up to a good start and then becomes
a bit of a problem.
So I agree I think this is not the best approach, it's very Aurora to picking comfort which
is fine but I think on a conceptual level they could definitely be counterpicking hard
compared to like staying in their own pocket.
We'll see if they get punished or not.
How much of a possibility is Aurora considering the Mikay bat rider that we saw earlier
in this tournament and that's why they're not going all in on countering him?
I think that's pretty unlikely like I think you kind of have to walk into getting
encountered for instance if a warlock picks timbersaw offline and like a week four or something then maybe they'd consider putting bad safe lane
But other than that like I think bad as a response to seeing something and like the opportunity for really juicy counter pick
But to be honest, I don't know what offline ace would want against a bad warlock anyway
Could they take phoenix here by the way not necessarily is a three
It could out as the combo with clock is quite nice. They can never break the way out of hugs at all. That's true
I don't think it's amazing it's a bad because he just gets rid of the spirits right
But it's definitely possible seem them pick this combo before at the clock Phoenix. They definitely they've definitely opted for that in the past
They're thinking a while about it's not hopeful actually
I think this is one something to his detriment is he takes a long time to pick his hero like we always had we'd always burn a lot of
Time when his pick on now
That's your favorite hero. Oh, no
That's why you need to think about it long, otherwise you're gonna pick it down.
The viewers have been watching the whole time. Let's hear a point. How do you feel about Dazzle?
Oh, no.
Oh, yeah? Like that?
That's how I feel about Dazzle.
The hero just doesn't do any damage at all.
And I think his faves are generally delaying the inevitable instead of actually turning things.
Agree.
Agree to a how shout even fave feels like,
Oh, you saved the guy and you purge him and it's a big deal.
Grave, it's kind of like, yeah, you graved him and now he's gonna die three seconds longer.
Yeah.
Like, he's on a ventilator, so.
Look what heroes in the pool that is not picked or banned yet
That could go with dazzle
Huskar is saying that's true. I would I would respect it more if they picked Huskar in 18. Okay, okay
I think that is that is the one combo that grave is no longer at the Langy inevitable
It's like actually kind of Chad. Yeah, that's all scars cool. I like that's all it looks pretty good to me
So far a bad is like
Kind of a counter to Huskar kind of yeah, that's right because of the innate with ring mist
Yeah
But I'm almost certain we're getting a niche a house car here. Otherwise the dazzle picks kind of so last week last time
They got dazzle for tofu. They did when it was with a Mickey wind ranger and a niche and poker. Oh
Yeah, it went longer something right. It was kind of a foreign burner. Yeah, it was against the index. It was
55 minute game. Yeah, they were like winning and then they were losing and they're winning there
It was one of those
Which either may have been a product of the dazzle or
Well, the victory was a product of the Dazzle, or the fact that it was going back and forth because Dazzle is not that good.
Yeah. I mean, they're using some more time here. It's fair. It's 18. It's your most important pick.
I do think they need some damage. Clock, 0 damage, hero. Dazzle, 0 damage, hero.
And Batrider is sort of this kiting chaos force. He's not like, I'm going to kill you so much.
So they definitely need some oomph. Because their first 3 heroes definitely are a significant lack of oomph.
With there being any oomph heroes besides the housecar that would encourage the dazzle
pick more like was the, well the windrangers banned out but, any other, what about troll
warlord, huh?
That heroes real good.
Yeah, I think he might be anti oomph.
Monkey is traditionally good with dazzle and it is, like it is kind of a DPS hero.
I am a bit worried though because he's playing against multiple stuns, so they can kind of
reset his go.
Monkey King is the hero that needs to stick on you and keep whacking that funk or if
he gets kite initially, doesn't get those stacks, doesn't get the big stun off, then
the hero can be turned around on a kite.
It's a pretty good monkey game, but I'm not fully convinced.
They do have the Batrider to enable it too.
Usually with monkey you want some hero that forces them to fight you inside of
the ring.
You do cut down trees there.
true there's a little bit of counter yeah a little bit of counters and boobies
hmm well whoopsie daisy
that happens almost certainly gonna see a huskar ban here I mean if they did ban
ember so I don't think you'd ban ember if you're planning to pick huskar but
maybe they're just assuming they're not gonna get it so I'm assuming it'll be
some combination of either voidsford huskar ember and maybe puck ban as
as well. I do think though that I don't know some of these support duo's don't look like
I don't really like like Clockworkazzle is just so much we're the helper guys we're like
filling in the gaps like there's no sort of scariness asserted and I think that is kind
of a problem because like you said all those heroes you mentioned they're not I don't
know they're not that Chad they're all kind of like in between damage is sort of
X, eh, Blase. Like, I can see things like in Voker.
He's good for Liquid, gives them a little more oomph, gives you some scaling.
It's the bad, you can kite him. It's quite a good core matchup.
I'd like something like that, Moria.
I mean, I think Nisha's hero needs to be the star of the show,
because Monkey King, the way Mikkei plays it, he's gonna buy, like,
Ekrosaber or Deso or something, and he's gonna, er, Diffusal.
Probably Diffusal now that I think about it.
He's gonna buy Diffusal, he's gonna run around the map, be really aggressive.
He's gonna enable these supports in early to mid-game,
so now we need to see something that gives them that scaling potential.
And yeah, I definitely think Invoker, Huskar.
I was gonna say Invoker, because obviously you've got combos and stuff, but do you not think it's a little slow?
A-Band, Huskar.
It is a little slow, but I think you've got Monkey who's gonna be fast for you, so there's sort of the counterbalance there, a little give and take, Yin and Yang.
Yin and Yang.
Can you blind pick a Florida if you want some damage?
Uh, I don't think, Slardar is another enabler.
I don't think of Slaughter as actual damage. He enables other people to deal damage then there's using what strategy right?
Say it again a minus arm that might minus armor strategy. I've heard it's pretty good. I'll also yeah, there you go
It's you were basically all in on minus. I'm not not bad. Not bad
It's what about the synergy between dazzling clockwork where dazzle gives armor to his teammates and clockworks and they make some do more damage
With armor, I think about that. He's a chain me. Yes. Yes. Yes
The minus and plus armor strut in one. Oh, wow. It's the armor all rounds
There's a famous quote on armor control the armor control the game you know said that who said that Kyle said that
Really?
Control the armor control the game. That's right. That's a classic complexity diet Kyle clothes
And you buy buckler on every hero really instead casual buckler. That's how you control the armor control the game
I also mind ahead of his time he was he was I always liked his mind my Kyle
quarters always how many teamfights does it take to win the game I don't like
how many like dudes is take the change of life all day yeah exactly void spirit
is he a damn mature is he an enabler another enabler yeah I do think Nisha
is the best void spirit that isn't me so hello I I think I think it is like of
Of the other options, I like it. I think he's popped off many many times in this hero, but I do agree
It's a little bit too low on the damage into things and if Aurora gets online to thank you bears
This lane is also crap. Voice for it is very bad against beast lane. Why?
Because you just fucking killing the boars and so much about beast lanes is can you kill the boars?
And if you can't then you lose the lane because he out harasses you and he outlasts you because he just hits
Like a truck. He also takes no damage from creeps. Thanks a lot. Nice and a
He's quite good at jumping
Carrie and Mira here though on the Void spirit like obviously you got Boxy to do that as well
Cuz you leave them back and get in there, but this is like another
Blow up the line and the warlock and then you just got Abaddon sense or face master to deal with
It does assume that you can get the killing blow though
And that does seem to be the issue for liquid is who is going to finish the heroes
They got a lot of people who can start fights that writer clockwork Void spirit. They're all down to get in
I mean it's important to note that they're like midgame run at you on liquid is insanely strong
I think that they have to punish like the pre-Aggs, Beastmaster, pre-Radiance, Abaddon timing.
If they can get like a 10-11 minute diffusal for Mikkei, you have the Spirit Vessel for Nisha, like the drums on Ace.
Like there is going to be a window of time where I've seen like traditional Liquid where they just created an insurmountable lead
and they have no cooldowns. So it will not get any better for Aurora.
So I think it's all about, is the game 5k plus lead for a Liquid at minute 15 or not?
or not. If it isn't, I'm going to feel really good about Aurora, but I can see this window
being hit pretty hard and a team like Liquid does do that. Just work really well.
Yeah, I mean to me, this is just like, can Liquid wake up? Because I think, I agree, they
can play the typical Liquid style. They can run you over. They can play really fast.
That is their option in this game. My question is, can they actually do that? Because
they've been real sleepy for the last three games, and I have not been shown the
Liquid that we saw through our group stage 2, the confident winning Liquid. So until
I see that I'm going Aurora
In terms of running people over it's hard to run over three beefy boys
They might be picking off this walk in this lion, but what then we've seen this before where teams build up a nice fat lead
They get loads of kills, but they're only 2k ahead and meanwhile you've got these lads farming in the back
So given liquids form at the moment
I'm gonna have to reluctantly go with Aurora because that is against my bet
But luckily, Cap went for the same thing, but then I've also, I think, backed Liquid in the final, which means I'm doomed, if they resist.
I think it's super important that Aurora does not overreact to these mid-game fights, like let one or two people die sometimes, let your heroes hit their timings, and know that the middle early game will be a bit rough.
Panel's feeling Aurora, let's see if the gameplay will convince them otherwise it's time to get into game number two with Cap and Fiji.
Two different teams, two separate paths, Aurora came into Group Stage 2 and were doing very
well and then towards the end of Group Stage 2 they also faltered and slowed down quite
a bit.
Liquid on the other hand, they managed to get their 2-0s then followed up 2-1s and
only into play-offs have they started to slow down as Quinn said looking kind of
sleepy out here and the question is whether or not they can wake the hell up
because it's play-offs time
they just really go forward the smoke popping this little man up for it trying
to fight it because they have a dazzle but outnumbered here might get them the
block bottom guaranteed well teams should get a guaranteed actually yeah
Especially if it does is gonna be pushed off of like normally does was very good at punishing you for blocking the camps
Oh make a block WS blocking it. He has to stop the wave
Pretty man-intensive for the centaur, but it'll still be in under tower. So he achieves his goal
Nightfall trying to do something similar gets damaged a little bit so both these all things get the equilibrating back pretty quickly
the bigger the bigger
drafts that up here though Austin
If we take a look at all five of Aurora's heroes, what do you notice?
Uh, these are the most popular heroes of the tournament?
Incorrect, Austin. They are all horned.
All five of them have two horns.
Now, if we look at all the way...
What long has horns?
With these cosmetics that he has adorned, yes.
Those are eyebrows!
No, look at his horns.
He just has over-the-top anime-esque eyebrows.
Those are horns.
Okay.
Now...
Uh-huh.
Liquid spy heroes.
What do you notice about the Boston?
I don't know. They don't have horns.
They're all carrying or wielding staff-like weapons.
This is the horns versus the staffs.
Okay.
I'm not talking about line-dancing.
I'm talking about secret strats coming out.
In a precarious semi-final where there's a lot on the line
I see they both pulled out their super secret strategy
Because this is a very important match. That's why that's why they're treating it very seriously
You're treating it very seriously. I'll stop my safe, but that's he that rider. He doesn't feel the staff
Yeah, he doesn't that's right, but he does throw Molotovs and in some ways they Molotov
Is the staff of the common man the common right
So I still count that. That is the layman's staff, you know?
Where you don't have magic capabilities, but you must contribute.
YAH! Have a Molotov cocktail. Anyway, I thought it was quite interesting.
I think you were the equivalent of a Molotov cocktail in a broadcast.
The five horns versus the five staffs. Who will come out on top in this game too?
Let's hope Liquid brings some heat, because I think that game one was a little...
almost sleepy from them.
And you know what? It's funny that I said...
I felt one of the issues in that game was that they couldn't make quick rotations with the carry to alleviate or create some pressure on the map to open up those tier ones.
And I remarked that the DK is not the monkey king.
His battle just keeps on happening. This top lane tofu is going to die with really not much of a rebuttal, I assume.
We'll be able to get the Chingu stacked
Yeah, something to work with but not a kill and also potentially not a lotus as they cut him down from his tree
It'll take the lotus away from him. So Aurora win after win in this top lane
I'm playing this lane super well some of the early kills pushing the monkey off this entire early
Trying to get WS to the health
So I think it's curious to me that liquid went back to the one to King
I felt like they were gonna go for this hero almost no matter what
just to try and guarantee that they can play that style and bring the carry into
the game a lot quicker and not get out tempo, not get outmatched. I think
clockwork for a similar reason. I don't know if this clock was necessarily, you
know, I need this clock to deal with what heroes are more on a plane, but more
need boxy to get more done faster in this game. And this is one of those heroes
they felt can reliably do that with the early boots, some of the laning
guarantee. I don't know, these lanes are feeling really awkward, they
He's gonna have to use Firefly in order to get away here because Boxy had a TP mid due to Lornoff just winning the match up so heavily here, which we heard Quinn is expected.
It's all about killing the boars. Boidscare can't kill the boars, so what can you do?
Yes, note the boars also. Two tusks and two horns.
Even the summons hitting the hornstrap here for more fabled strategy from the olden times.
I do like the Beast Pick. I think it's a scary hero for Liquid to try and deal with coming out last.
Instead of trap on Mira, they do have the two heroes that if you could just keep swinging on a single hero, you're definitely going to win that fight.
I am. Especially with some of the armor getting decreased in the dazzle, once you're just offloading super high physical with the Jingu.
WS trying to juke, but Tofu's sticking in front of him pretty well, and they do some nice harassment damage, bringing the lane back a little bit.
little bit. 2-2. This is a super strong lane for Liquid. We're always going to win this
lane over the Vaughn. I'm surprised at how well Vaughn oriented early. It's going to
make this lane look a lot closer than it is in the end. Monkey King Daphne. Not a loss
by our dyes. He shows up in mid lane and Nisha. He had a fairy fire. He had a ton
of magic Vaughn charges. He will be able to get off none of them. Perfect blind
rotation and that is why you go 2-1-0. So you can look for some of these extra kills around the map without that point the manager
ain't
used to cure that. And knowing that he's gonna have a hard time in lane
they now block his camp that he would go to. They're gonna stick around try and kill him again when he comes back because now you have
Primal roar.
This is a dangerous lane to come back into for the Horde Spirit. If Liquid do not have Nisha here
I mean even if they do if they TP it's gonna be a long TP because Nisha TPed in so
Yeah, he warded behind the tower just to try and defend himself here
So Joe century it will sit behind to go for the Lord and get that much out of it
And it's not like they can really chase me or otherwise. They'll just be walking into the beast master to pull the creep wave off and
Maybe save the tower some grief here
surprise they
Let him get away with that
I guess the trade is they'll let him pull the wave off to get the rune for the beast
I think you just have to aim him to protect this catapult.
So it should work out here.
All I could do without Astral Steppe...
Yeah, what are you gonna do? Like, is Boxie really gonna help this situation, but simultaneously, is he doing anything to stop the abandon?
They managed to get the roar off.
Now here comes the chain disabled, so with Tofu behind, it's not like the Void Spirit is likely to die here,
but it is just more pressure on this tower, more and more siege wagon hits, as the tower is now almost dead.
Still trying to catch him mid-gate. He's gonna come through the gate and they will catch Nightfall that way
So it's not just the clockwork. It's the monkey king as well. That's how they upset me
That's the kind of rotation they need in the last game
It's gonna make a huge difference here. It's gonna put damage on the tower get a lot more farm for Haze
Some pressure on the map.
The Lord of the Year, Flutternade, they're gonna get some damage done
He had a lot of heal due to a ton of magic wand charges. Now Toku's gonna pay the price
He's certainly dead.
It's Axis. She's doing so much damage.
Aurora playing through this last pick mid.
Super strong hero to play through here in the early game.
Liquid having issues going up against it, and once more, putting a lot of attention into shutting down Nisha, not giving him any sort of outplay potential.
He's gonna push this Void Spirit down the chart. He's a thousand behind the beast.
With that early kill being sent to base, losing power.
It's adds up here.
Foxy chasing them away from the safe lane tower.
So Nightfall's farm is going to be a bit stalled, but nothing compared to what's happening
to the Void spirit.
And again, his matchup is against the Batrider, so not really much they could do about that.
It seemed like draft-wise, liquid.
other teams would have been willing to play some sort of support Batrider.
No, I don't even think this bat really matters for the Corbat.
The lane's a little annoying, but in the game it's not really a valid lasso or that kind of thing.
It's just getting oras and being annoying in the fight.
Pop Boxing the river, you will not get the chance to put together those tranquil boots,
nor will Nisha be able to do anything with Lornoff tracking his every move.
It does have an amp damage on the bottle that you got top though, so if you put some
burn charges on this void spirit or use the amp damage to get some burn charges,
you might be able to find some momentum here. And Monkey can connect to those
places to make it happen. It will be the diffusel rush for Mickey.
He's going to be involved in this one a lot more than the previous game.
So this game is going to look a lot different.
You can already see Mickey is
going towards the gate.
Think about it. On the top lane it's not sure though, the band's already backed off so much.
It can be a tough lane to gank right now. You have a badden who's the tough hero to kill. You have stampede, making it globally thrown out here.
I mean, frankly, it's Liquid and it's Mickey Monkey. And he's already done it to you once. Like, you know what's coming.
I feel like Liquid's moves are going to be very telegraphed here.
They're stronger than they were in Game 1, but they're also just as easily read.
Get to the tower. This is the more important part of these titles.
Some map controls, some space to play with, it's going to help ease his farm a lot and
not shrink where you're accumulating gold on the map.
Mira, really fast on the hex there.
That probably saves his life.
Oh, absolutely.
That's an Amp damage.
Roydsphere, you don't want to mess with that right now.
That Amp damage will be going on for the 10 minute power rune as well, so as long
as he does not get caught, like he almost did there with the roar, you may have a
fighting chance to get one of these power runes the aurora stacking four
heroes three of them on the top side it ends up being top we get it in viz for
Lorna big stacks here for him five stack on the camp here yeah this is
really cool cuz aurora in game one I think did a very good job of making
sure liquid could not stack threatening the invasion all the time
like nightfall was doing and now they're out stacking liquid got a
stack for the mid-beast always. Sure, that's where the hero shines. Gotta get
these aggs out as fast as possible, and you can always use this to give mid to
your support so the lion gets the much needed XP here. Very efficient right now.
Orr-orr. Just using a pat on the hold this bottom lane. This is the point of
attack for liquid. The more nightfall can sit down here and not die at the
fence area. This is creating space for that.
They're gonna go for it immediately get roared up boxy. He's trying to get it
He's gonna go. Oh, he didn't finish it off
He's to stop his TP in order to get it
Will be run down as well as probably boxy actually tranquil boots keeps them alive fatal bonds
Was not quite enough. He doesn't have a TP. So he's kind of
Up a creek right now. I was almost awkward. His bats being kept alive
So the bonds to keep killing the clock. Yeah
All those backfires there from Liquid.
And get the last hit, he escapes.
Here comes the golem.
Drop the golem in bottom lane, go through the gate, take top tower with it.
Look at him go, he's living his best life.
Deusel is done for the monkey.
See what Liquid can do with that around the map.
Just a nice little easier rotation from Beast.
He gets all the stacks on the triangle TV's bottom, gets another kill.
Perfect sequence here for Lord Office.
He is getting real fat here.
Oh, tower got denied.
That was, yeah, I felt like it was a little too easy there for me, okay?
Power rune ends being top.
Unlucky for Aurora.
Uh, the power runes that Nisha has gotten.
Definitely the more powerful ones.
It's been towered so low as well.
Definitely no overall want to make a move around this area.
You can care for not to die on this mid lane.
Self-destun on him, follow up.
Roar up at a second here, they've got it, they drop every ultimate they have.
But the combo there with shallow grave, plus some heals will keep Nisha rather healthy.
He'll be fine, and he's actually gonna jump in and kind of put some damage on Lornoff,
not that there was any threat there.
Aurora need to think about the dazzle in this game.
They have a lot of damage they can throw on a single target with the line plus beast initiations you stampede everybody else in.
If that guy gets graved it stalls your fight up by 5 seconds and then he heals and survives.
That's a lot of your teamfight out the window.
You don't have a lot of AoE control this line up. You don't have that tied SF requiem like you did in game 1.
So you really have to be a lot smarter about some of these casual goes and initiations in the teamfight.
Dazzle's gonna turn him back against you real quick.
It's like we're starting to get aggressive, looking for a play of their own.
Team Energy Catch Lord off here, but this is quite the extension.
Easy Stampede will allow them to reset.
This is going to be some of the issue going into the Stampede with the Monkey King Bat.
Trying to close the gap and stick on the heroes.
It'll be tough in the early.
So you're able to connect on Lasso or just lock heroes in a cogs loop on something like this.
They're a nice little rednet.
That's gonna be awkward. They're gonna get impaled.
At least the Monkey King can't get the kill, and now Mikke is in trouble.
Look at Mira, he's actually killing up two of the Warlock kills.
Shalgrant did go off, and they're gonna try and bail out Mikke.
Mikke's gonna turn around with a boundless strike.
That was actually pretty nifty there once again.
The Dazzle is making all the difference in the world for Liquid.
Bonds gonna take him out? No.
Survives the Bonds as well.
This Dazzle is really causing Aurora problems in this game,
because they're just still taking the single target focus.
They don't have these stacks for that fight, he's 500 off.
Very risky skirmishing liquid hero when they have all this early game fighting power and
bat rider.
Monkey King with the Fusal Void Spirit, gonna have his vessel now, gets a Haystrune as
well.
There's so much early game in this liquid lineup.
Anisha, Haysting for the Wisdom Shrine.
Doesn't stick around for the Wisdom Shrine, lets the kill on Mira.
They will have that kill.
Boxy's gonna be in a weird position though.
Nisha feels like he can't do enough damage to threaten the warlock.
Ace's gonna come over though.
And she has many many heroes.
All three of the cores are gonna join in on this fight.
Nice little 4-man ball.
Look at how much damage she was taking that.
Yeah that bond's gonna kill Boxy and do a lot of damage.
Ace's gonna die here as well.
This time it's liquid overextending.
And what was it even for?
The shrine was already gone.
Yeah.
Now you're coming in late with your cores and you're fighting...
Without the one hero I think has been doing the most work in this game.
Well, then we're hating the Dazzle.
Who's the only one not there?
It's like, guys, what's this fight? I can't back you up.
They're bailing you out of all these single target wars and stuff instead.
They just overextended their cores and...
I'm not even sure what that do is because it looks like they were all just staying there going,
uh, what's the plan, boys?
Yeah, now they're just gonna run it back.
Run after Lauren off here.
They do still have Stampede, and it will get them out of the Wukong's game.
Again here, Mickey is almost dead.
They does have the dazzle behind him. So should be fine. Yeah, I can accept you just got picked up for the Beastmaster
He doesn't have roar, but still a very dangerous tool for Aurora
It's a lion. You got something out of it. They'll take some of the ancients and a support kill to go
Oh, this is this is not the
Collected poise liquid we saw in that group stage. It's a little more scrambly. Yep a little more all over the place
chaotic
We need to get control of the tempo right now and connect a little bit more with these big qualities and
core commitments in these fights.
Dom Creek Bottom, that's a little something for the monkey here, is going diffusel into Deso.
Super aggressive early game build here.
This isn't, I'm not gonna say this is all in, but it's gonna feel real bad if you go these two items
and don't get some kills and fights out of it.
Boxing-O's mirror is here. He has that really, really deep laning ward.
So, he is going to surround them here, though.
The Dazzle-Bing Confer is a little awkward. They still catch mirror inside the cogs.
Nightfall, very importantly, is going to get out initially here. His ultimate got popped though, and that's going to be trouble, because he's so close to his radiant.
If he dies here, it's going to slow him down a lot.
Great rotation from Nisha. Pick up the big core at the end. That's what they need in this game. More pick-offs like that.
What did he pump his borrow time?
He popped it when the Cogs went out just to try and run away quicker.
I think he assumed if he escapes there there's no way anybody else is catching him on the backside because Hookshot already went out.
But it was a bit of a waste.
Ah, that was a total, what do you mean a bit of a waste? That was a complete and total waste.
It was a bit of a waste.
That was, that was the worst borrow time I think I've ever seen.
Maybe he misquicked it even.
Well, jumpy.
That was a pretty bad blow.
Well, that's the deso for Micae, and the radiance slowed down for Nightfall.
That's a big exchange.
This Kareyavatin has not performed too well this event.
It's had a lot of struggles. I think a lot of the radiance-dependent carries have.
Just not been finding the same impact they used to due to the nerf to the item in the timings.
35% when raided.
It's rough, so I don't really have faith in this hero.
Now Aurora, the monkey, don't look behind him though, once again!
This shallow grave causes issues.
Let's see how much heals they can get.
Nikkei skips up to about half his HP here.
Try to get off his ultimate, it's not gonna be good enough.
And now the Dazzle is stuck here.
The five stack of Aurora, beating out Liquid, outmaneuvering them.
They just get to the position faster than Liquid does.
liquid does. Shield runs in front of the beast that fight deals over it. Yeah, they're just
way too tanky. The irradiance is all mine, the pipe's all mine. You have to stay in...
This game is... it looks a little concerning for Liquid if... somebody should stick going
on, even if you graved them, if a roar can just stay on top of it, it's just being
heroes. If you're not getting Wukong, getting chunked. What's the game plan to win
anyway? Yeah. It's like if it's the... the Void Spirit's fine because Void Spirit
Reset yes monkey king not so much maybe maybe if he buys a shard earlier
So they're just super dependent on his damage a lot of the bat rider damage is gonna get negated from the abad
At least early here
You need this monkey to be hitting
So if you just go on the monkey chain stone, yeah, he gets great. He's gonna heal that you just keep chain stunning him
No one's taking damage. You're eventually gonna win that fight
So this is an issue liquid are gonna have to solve
Either by finding better initiations, isolating heroes from Aurora, or making sure Vika is not the first target of the first point of contact.
If they just only look for teamfights like they did in Game 1, I do not feel good about Liquid's chances.
I feel like they definitely got a rat out the map.
Train split Aurora up, because their aura stack is so strong right now.
Catching Nightfall solo, that's a nice start to things. See if they can get that ultimate to be popped, and they do indeed.
Indeed, two people get stunned off of that entrance from here, but there's the Hex in return.
Nisha's gonna come into the middle of this one, upheaval, stop pit from WS, it's really nice, there goes the pipe,
and that means all these heroes are gonna stop taking damage.
Wukong's man does go out, try to help him out, and I fall with the ultimate god.
He's gonna try and sip away here, to simulate from Nisha, brought a little bit low, but he's able to reset.
The Dazzle is keeping everybody healthy enough that Liquid are gonna chase for more.
Getting Lorn off would be massive here, he does have that Aegis, they gotta be careful of these drums going off,
Especially with the direct damage that comes out, as that finger at death blows up a hero,
now Liquid have overextended themselves, and they are just getting wuffed by this fatal bond,
and he's killing all of their heroes.
People are to fight that did not go well for Liquid there earlier.
They like to have an advantage, they want to chase heroes down.
That's how the line is supposed to function.
But you really have to play around these shallow graves.
If Tofu could have gotten another shallow grave off there,
maybe that fight looks a little different.
But you still, you have to clear it through these ages.
This beast dealt 7,000 damage, just drums and axes going off the whole time.
This is them fighting to kill an Aegis Beastmaster.
This is the issue, you're extending very deep.
Oh, tofu almost had it!
I still...
I don't know, it still looks like this fight's gonna be rough, but the bond's going through
onto the big ancient creep as well.
That doesn't help.
Yeah, I agree.
Like, the best situation there is Monkey King gets Jingu stacks and hits like a really
big boundless strike and he heals up the full. They did kill Nightfall after that.
It's brought down in bottom lane without the ulti. Really? Just chunked up with the
voice spirit no borrow time so that's a quick kill for them. Huge play by Anisha.
Almost feels like Beast Masters the real carry in this game. He's looking more like a safe
lane piece the way he's farmed out of his gourd. 12,000 net worth from him.
Arora is only up 4k, surprisingly.
Getting scanned up here.
Oh, checking out the trees.
They think they moved right, but the reality is they're on the border of the map right now.
They are a TPL.
Trying to take this Wisdom Shrine.
Liquid will get something off this move.
Not the kills they were hoping for.
Get some XP.
Maybe get an objective while they're here as well.
Born off, going for the big solo plays, couldn't find a connection. Doesn't have the blink diagram, does have BKB.
This beast is crazy strong in the middle. They're gonna smoke up, they spot a tofu.
Because Gary came in from behind, he saw tofu's positioning, they just immediately smoke up and say, this is a fight that is easily won.
Save the gold too, you're able to get green.
Yeah, that was a really nice album you were there for, more like, they hid in the trees with both supports, dodged the scan by being right on the edge of the map.
They give up the shrine but they don't give up kills and then they wrote the heroes back to find the pick-off.
Liquid just cannot find openings here.
21,000 damage dealt so far by this Beastmaster.
It is insane how much work he's gotten done here.
It's the power of the last pick for a hero that basically wins mid against all these spirits
and then just does stacks way faster than they did.
The Void Spirit can't catch up.
The only way the Void Spirit can have the same impact is if you get some nice power runes
or you can get some side kills on them.
Some lanes on them.
Some kills on the side runes.
Yeah, that speeds you along to a Vessel and then you use the Vessel to threaten
the Vessel master a little bit more and it kind of snowballs you there.
The only thing that has been really limiting Lornoff is his range, but once he gets that blink dagger, it's going to be pretty sweet for him.
High ground ward, spots the Monkey King.
That's Tofu, immediately. He reads it.
They jump him there if they get the opportunity.
Still have Aegis, he's a peace master for 20 seconds during that play.
Ooh, ready for that one.
They were, but so is Liquid. They were set behind him.
And Ace doesn't even require the Shallow Great.
Jantovilus is almost dead.
Immediately as Mikke put some serious harm on him,
and threatened Snifle as well.
Barrow time is going to go off in a second here.
Got the Hex on Dinesha though.
And now Lornop jumps the Dazzle.
The Dazzle's going to be in some trouble.
The Dazzle is just dead right away.
Lornop though, is used to all of his damage.
And Mikke, his damage is intense, man.
That physical damage with the Desu was doing some work.
some work. Still, they dealt with one Cork and they deal with the other. Nightfall's pushing forward,
they managed to get the Hex and the Monkey King without the save of the Dazzles. Reliant on his own
saves with the Janko and it's not good enough. They couldn't stop Amnesia. He now makes a run for it
behind the Tier 3. He will stay alive, but Aurora, even with losing Lornoff, still win the fight.
I see WS tipping Voxy. Voxy's chasing Centaur that entire time, so he's not in the middle
of that fray to help nail his course out. Now he's going to look for the Blinks and
off-air with the batteries fall too might be able to get the skill or the
robotics shield it saves him we're lucky to get out of here yeah no chase down
available I mean he's old sent are the entire time you can say it's a value
with exchange but at the end of the day all these fights are about make a on this
monkey game if he goes down you lose all your damage man he really shrunk
that beast yeah that he felt almost three thousand damage to him it felt
as if the beast got a lot of his armor removed baby from dazzle earlier
something. You got messed up. Once Aurora you can jump the first target but you
have to take that Dazzle into account. Kind of reset here. The Stuntar's out of the fight at this point.
It's all about the ones you can damage. Nice turn around with the Bonds. You find
Dazzle with the Beast and then you have Jingu Stats. Get one hit in, you
He filled up a new set, just shocked his Beastmaster Basement.
Hey, Vera's just playing brilliantly on the line.
Oh, he's completely unchecked.
He's just getting combo after combo off.
That's at least big core targets.
He just low-listed everything and it all wasn't enough.
Just too much damage from Aurora.
I fall alone here.
Manto's gonna scout some of this out.
We'll be fine.
Gotta stay out of it, like, not totally unsurprising,
but not really feeling the damage of the Bat Rider
in these fights that last initiation, right?
He blasts those nightfalls during his ultimate,
but he gets a cold one.
It's the benefit of the Abaddon pick.
It's gonna negate the Bat Rider's damage presence a lot.
Forces him into a Puritility Roller.
On the monkey King tofu is not in the neighborhood to bail him out this time tofu TV's in
To bit too late now. It'll be boxy to die as well Aurora picking up steam here 7,000 net worth lead now
They picked this clock to kind of get on the back line here
And the downside for boxy is the shard roll off the tormentor wind of the line
Which changes this match entirely because if you get hook shot call it you just sit there managing. Yeah, you take no damage from battering
So this line is not a great target to go in with, but the clock works anyway.
I feel like Foxy's options are very limited here and who he wants to find.
The Scentar's still okay, the Abaddon is okay if you can kind of bounce him off with the Cogs instead of annoying him.
In terms of damage though, we're talking about damage coming out from the Swiftline.
If your clock is not doing a lot of damage and your bat's not doing a lot of damage.
And she was entirely on Monkey Bay.
Everything on the monkey here the voids beer can do a little even then it's his vessel charges get shielded off
If there is another Lotus orb in this game
Yeah, we've seen it the niche is really hard time with the cluster that is this team fight
Getting in there being able to focus a hero down
I think it's been a trend for liquid in the games. They've struggled
It's been against dream protector or some of these lineups that prevent the all-in
Early on in the fight, he's smoking a break, high ground war, he immediately tries to oooooh, what a blink away from Lornoff, still the blink forward from Noxy
does manage to still catch Lornoff, the follow up is there, Wukong's man goes off before the Primal Roar, very important
that means, you know, Roar out, they kinda gotta reset a little bit here, WS already used the Stampete, so he's in an awkward spot, he's in trouble, he's gonna die
and Blasto on the warlock brings back a second kill for Liquid, very close margins on that teamfight in that initiation
I'm not sure why Aurora wanted to take the fight into the Wukong.
To me, so much of this game is about monkeying his damage, and a lot of his damage is during
the Wukong.
He got roared at the start.
It seemed like Lornaught had the right call of, hey, I'm going to back out, I guess Wukong.
And then the other two courses, shh, barrel into it.
Yeah, WS pops Stampede, runs into his death, and they got trapped in cogs inside the
Wukong.
That's like even more worst case scenario.
Now it's all off of an awkward initiation where the hookshot didn't even land, so
they'll show you the power of Liquid's lineup that they can anchor the fight.
They can, they can deal the deeps.
Assuming you're stuck in the middle of it.
Roach's got to spawn earlier too, they might just try forces.
I think you almost have to here.
With Dachiva's timing and an Amp damage on Aisha, I mean, you're damage problems.
They got a little bit solved.
They're gonna take the fight with the Amp damage.
Nightfall here. Nightfall spotted.
Dustman just get a blink away.
They're still gonna chase after him.
Missing the remnant though.
And things are a bit awkward now.
They push him back into the remnant.
Nace is like, oh, guys, I got him.
But Liquid did not want to overextend
into this Beastmaster.
Very tough target to commit onto there.
You don't know where the turnaround is.
Golem is down for now.
And damn, it's running out.
If you want things to happen,
you've kind of gotta go for this Roshan.
set up on this high ground and hope that Aurora will walk into you.
But we're not still trying to finish the Sheva's here.
It would be nice to fight before that comes out.
Flinking rifle for some damage, Hidzen.
Of course, the Roche.
This is going to be very close.
I mean, you've got 20 seconds till it swaps over to the other side.
Smoke up from Aurora.
It's going to break.
Lornoff, he's going to be the one targeted.
Instant Hatch on these shots, but the Wukong's command went out.
Aurora, reset, reset, reset.
Ace trying to keep Nightfall in an area where they can still force Aurora to fight
to this AOV and Lornav's gonna apply,
she's gonna jump in, hit the roar onto Nisha,
try to target him down,
the Chalgrace is gonna go off the last second here,
helping out Nisha.
See if they can fight through this
without the Wukong command.
I've also tried to hit some heroes
and he does mention at least get Tofu,
make a fine tip, he just cannot seem to do an update
because he won a stop from WS, catching the two of them
and that is looking very pretty.
They're gonna run down both of these cores
as well as Boxie who tried to interfere.
Aurora played that so much better this time around.
crud kite around the Wukong's command and the fight is theirs. That's what I thought their ideal was the first time.
That's what I was surprised they went into it. I think if you do kite the Wukong,
there's not a lot left in the tank assuming the fight goes long and that's where the Abaddon can shine.
You can go in there, you can tank a bunch of spells, force this fight to get its duration extended.
You're gonna win the second half of it with all of your stun power. Like once you start chain-studding heroes this game,
you have so much stun-kicking in this lineup, especially if you get on top of the tassels.
He's like once the basil falls, the formation's broken, you're just going to run liquid down.
Unable to hold the line in that engagement. Heroes are too tanky.
His words are just cheap utility makes a big difference. Like even just having four staff on line,
so you can force Lornaugh out of that initial go, he doesn't have to use BKB at the start.
That's a big deal there. Then when he reinitiates later, he goes in.
He has BKB, he has Roar, he can just man up on the Void Spirit, there's no ability to interrupt that play.
Like, four staffs aren't going to be an issue for Liquid this game. Just the cheap disengage.
Their lineup does not enjoy this cheap utility. Resetting heroes positionally.
Not fun for the Clockwork, not fun for the Monkey King.
Even the Bat Rider having to play against the Foddyk Shield.
Misha, the talent there of the Outer Ring gets him pretty far and not far enough.
Lornav tracks him down, hits him with the roar, and that'll be the death of Misha.
25-15 Aurora have taken over this game now.
Oh, they're just looking better today.
No way around it.
Yeah.
Is a scary team when they're informed.
They're feeling this patch.
Absolutely vibing in the draft as well.
Playing their style.
Playing their game around this last repeat master that has been a force, 8-2 and 14 for Loran off here.
And now Liquid are like, okay, we gotta wrap this game out, but it's at a point where Aurora are 14k up.
They're going to jam it into the high ground. You can't wrap and stall this game.
It's going to come to a head at a high ground defense.
Orcid on tofu, Trouble, Psychic Headband trying to save him.
does not change a thing.
Mass TV's coming in onto that outpost Aurora.
A second pick off.
Now, high ground prime for the taking perhaps.
WS, getting a little ambitious by himself here initially.
What a man to dodge there.
Hooksdron comes in, very much needed,
but it's still not enough.
Lornaff is able to follow through with the roar.
Now it's 4-10.
The high ground is not just free for the taking,
it is utterly Aurora's.
Team has crumbled for liquid in the last five minutes.
So the Lanak was supposed to get her early make moves around the gates with the monkey snowballed this game.
It basically never helped him. It was Aurora the entire time.
Like a boxy, desperately trying to run out and cut one of the waves so they could stop all this, but now that is a fifth year.
That is effectively a team wipe two lanes of barracks minimum here for Aurora with two and a half minutes left on the ages, possibly full out magas.
It's so hard to come back in this position when you are so dependent on that lucky thing
for the damage.
So much control in this lineup.
So much cutting potential at this damn key.
This is probably just my guess here.
I fall loose, this is a career.
He's not on that worth it, he's trying to finish Bloodthorn.
Eh, who cares?
He loses a little bit of network with Liquid, ultimately still missing an entire hero.
to catch the Void Spirit.
Stop the TV.
So Nisha, no way back to base here.
And inside of that base, Mickei is
trying to hold it together here.
But the Megas are going to be taken,
even as they kill Lornoff once.
Even if they can kill him twice,
permanent damage being done to liquid.
Shallow Grave has to be used on Tofu.
That means Mickei is free.
And with him falling, Nisha comes back in.
But now he's fine, so that he has no damage left.
60 seconds for Aurora to take tier fours,
take the aims she decided to require,
that Liquid will concede.
This is a fast two-oh for Aurora,
straight to the grand finals.
They get their revenge from that group stage series,
definitely leveled up today,
starting to refine their form
after dropping some of those matches.
Liquid, pick up.
Two-ohed and Alfa Bracka final,
two-ohed and Lora Bracka final,
and just out, like that.
Rough ending for the most dominant team
that group stage 2. Maybe figured out a little bit in the last few days here that
can still happen you just don't have much time to adjust I think particularly the
panels talking about the draft I agree I think liquid dominated the drafts in the
group stage 2 and these were a lot closer and that means you have to
execute a lot better. An execution was not liquid in the morning that's for sure.
Today was not their day in terms of super clean execution and I think you
can criticize the drafts I think the drafts are fine it's just again the
The level of execution is a lot higher.
Like this kind of lineup for Liquid is something they're probably happy to play 9 times out of 10,
but you have to make those early moves so those games have to connect for the monkey.
He has to be 5 and 0, 6 and 0. We see that happen.
They're definitely capable of it today, it's just not their day, and it causes these games to look really one-sided.
Because when that type of lineup fails, yeah, here's gonna get muddled.
Like this is not a lineup that's designed to win teamfights down 10k. It's impossible.
You're too dependent on the monkey container, so... Aurora.
Very, very stable game for them. Very stable picks.
They kind of have it all. They have this field. They have the objective taking the T-Bike, the Kauri Warlock.
I mean, it's all there today for them. They're gonna be some tough opponents for Tundra in those finals.
Absolutely, because a week ago they beat Tundra in the Group Stage 2.
That was a long time ago. Very different teams at this point.
Aurora have recovered some of their form and Tundra have grinded out getting better and better.
It's gonna be a hell of a grand final.
And we'll be able to catch the entirety of that best of five after a little while for right now.
Aurora need to gather their bearings after taking down Liquid 2-0 and
Liquid I suppose have to be mourning at this situation after such a stellar
Completely unimpeded a group stage two as soon as the bracket is entered they lose up four games in a row Quinn that is
Devastating yeah that that majorly sucks for sure. I'm not 100% sure what happened. It's like part tilt almost
They felt like part I think getting figure out in the draft they really think that series yesterday was kind of the writing on the wall
I think people had a much better understanding how to pick against them what was making in their drafts kick
And so I think Aurora took good lessons and they played they played great today
I think or looked like a very very solid team just followed gameplay from everyone across the board
Going in this turn I kind of thought they were like he exes a bit of a joke
They're playing bad teams. That's why I had a win streak, but they're not a joke to the real deal
They're actually a very good team. I
I was explaining my theory for why Liquid have dipped as the tournament has gone on.
Traditionally, Liquid do terribly a dream league. Traditionally.
And I think that having just done Blast and won that, that they were expecting to have some time off.
They're not going to make it out of group stage one. They're mentally kind of exhausted.
Then they pushed through and they made it into group stage two.
Then they topped the group and then they were like, do you know what?
knackered
We're so tired at this point. We just need a rest
So I think their brains have melted and they stopped playing and as well as they can
You did that last five hours off Neil it makes all the difference
It also makes a difference wherever you're going head-to-head in terms of the coaches because I get a back-to-back interview with KP
Yo KP it was I feel like I was just talking to you yesterday and now another win on the board and congratulations
Yeah, what's up gang, thank you. Good to be here again.
And you, uh, was this win especially sweet because we have seen the back and forth between
you and Liquid, you and William Blitzley in a group stage one. You guys got the better
of them in a 2-0. Then group stage two, they kind of broke you guys a little bit because
it was that loss that led to a chain of losses. But now in playoffs, you get the
elimination. Is it sweeter or is it bittersweet?
Ah, I mean after William Blitzley tweeted about me, I'm gonna have to say this was an
easy-ass game, guys.
There we go!
Talk your shit, King.
There we go, KP.
For preparation for this series, I have to imagine you were watching the Liquid Tundra
series yesterday.
Were there any notes in that series that you were like, I'm gonna incorporate it?
You don't have to give anything away, but we noticed that maybe Liquid got thrown
off balance a little bit.
Honestly, not too much. I think we just thought about what we're going to give them and obviously
in game 2 we gave them that and we obviously had a plan for it. Besides that, nothing
really. I mean, we were surprised that a lot of OP heroes were in the pool yesterday,
I don't know in Game 1 especially.
So, maybe we're ready for like, you know, Lago's open, SF's open, SD's open, like everything's open.
Kind of thought about that a little bit, you know, but then in general I think, yeah, mostly we're just ready for anything I guess.
It looked like it. Specifically I...
I won't make you choose your biggest contributor of this series, but I feel like Mira's Lion
is now suddenly bumped up on the 33's radar because man, he did so good in this series with it.
Yeah, I mean, how do I say this?
I mean, Lion's like a very niche hero and not a lot of people are playing it.
In fact, probably only us right now.
And I think there are reasons why we pick it, I'm not going to say obviously, but yeah,
he's really good on the hero and we do have like substitutes for it too, but sometimes
we just feel like making this hero.
It's been working out very well in this series.
So I also got Quinn standing by for questions as well.
Hey KP, how's it going?
I was curious how it feels to now finally being the head coach
of a project as opposed to coach number four.
Does that feel validating to be more at the head of the ship
compared to sort of being more on the back lines?
Definitely feels a lot better.
I think I feel a bit less AFK
and I'm like in the middle of everything.
A bit more I guess right now
because I'm responsible for so many different things now.
And at the same time, it's more work, so that sucks.
But I'm also feeling good about myself.
I'm doing so much more.
I'm being very satisfied with the achievements
that I've made, stuff like that.
So in general, I'd say I'm happier.
Cool.
I mean, I think it's really impressive you're already
in your first grand final.
So yeah, congratulations, Lin.
So well earned Prime KP, now let's see if we can get that very first tier 1 land victory.
If what's gonna be the serious score against Tundra in this best of 5?
Okay, so for an appetizer I had Liquid and for my main course I'm gonna be having Nether,
so just gonna be a clean 3-0 for Aurora, I think.
Maybe 3-1.
Let's see.
If you're fearing charitable, you give him maybe one game we'll say.
Yeah, see how I feel.
feel see how you feel and then for dessert maybe we're gonna get another interview with you as well kp
It's been a hell of a time watching you on this Aurora run
And I will let you prepare for that best of five and hopefully we'll see you on the other side
All right these guys
He's got some preparation to do as he does have a best of five to prepare for but that's the kind of raw confidence
That I want to see Quinn. He's no longer playing second fiddle to any other coaches. He's the prime coach
Yeah, I like that and I think it's a it's a cool storyline people switching roles
And you know he was sort of in the in the shadow of liquid right there a whole lot of coaches
They have a whole staff and so he felt like you know my impact is not as much as they wanted to be
He goes to his own project and is now beating the team that he was a part of before
I think that's a cool storyline and it's a kudos to him right everybody who's played with this guy or Ben like worked with him
Really respects and they only say good things about this guy
I've genuinely only heard positive things about KP both as a dough to mind and as a person
So I think it's really cool to see him joining this this new project and it working out so well for him
It's in it the same as they get season two of Ted Lasso
where the guy is
The coach
Working with Ted Lasso, and then he goes and joins another team and beats them season three. I think is that three
Yeah, it's like the end of season two
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, that's he was kind of an evil character
Well, he became evil because they needed him to be evil. Otherwise, why would he leave?
But Kp is not evil. He's a sweetheart. Yeah, it doesn't really work
That was more like a promotion lad like growing out of
Fact it's a complete terrible
Yeah, I had lost I gained a lot more confidence in Aurora
Bouncing back when I learned that Kp was their coach like I I've had a few interactions with him in the Netherlands in person
And yeah, he's just a genuinely
pleasant guy to be around and I think he's part of the reason that they were
able to kind of collect their bearings and regroup after having three losses in
a row in group stage two, having a strong ending and getting the win when
they needed it and then yeah of course here they are so yeah. I will root for
more than I would otherwise have because of KP's presence on that team.
It's just kind of a shame for Liquid that it seems every single team that
was doing well suffered some losses at some point. It's just unfortunately for
liquid had happened at the end hour in playoffs because Aurora suffered their losses later
in group stage two and now they're on the recovery zone. So, better timing for liquid,
it seems.
Yeah, it's not like back in the day you would see more of these runs where a team goes undefeated
in the group stage, undefeated in the bracket, they win the whole tournament without losing
a single game. Like some old Jawae teams or some teams' secret things like this. But
these days, teams are so even that doesn't really happen like that. And I do agree.
I think it's better to take your lumps earlier on in the tournament, you learn, you make it into the next stages, obviously, you don't get eliminated,
but you're getting those learning lessons and you're adapting to the meta, you're being pushed on what your heroes are and things like this,
because when you just lose toward the end, it's very easy to just break apart because your ideas have been broken, you don't have time to get it together.
Especially if you're experiencing those losses on land, in front of, dare I say, a crowd, period for it?
Good God Almighty, is there anything better?
Imagine where that could happen though.
Oh that could happen in Birmingham.
Birmingham?
It really could, Neil.
Could happen in Birmingham?
March 27th, 28th and 29th.
Pickets. ESL-1.com.
We in the UK are natural spectators.
We love to watch people play games
that are much better than us at those games.
We invented a bunch of games, including Dota, of course.
Of course.
Invented in the Victorian school yards,
much like rugby and cricket and all the rest of them.
And the boys that eaten that were playing go to back in 1887 their spirit lives on in modern those players like Ari
Loan UK hope then you can come and see and if you like those, let me tell you something the brum crowd is
Peak go to crowd caps it and he's American. I've said I'm English. I'm telling you right now. It's as good as it gets
Come to Birmingham. Come on down. I'll see you there
Come on down get your ticket ESL dash one a calm and honestly, there's not that much time between this event and that event
There's only gonna be around two weeks in between which I
I'm now that I'm evaluating it. We didn't get like the the usual mid-dream League patch Brian usually
Shaken up like five days before playoffs to begin where it's like alright maps completely different new heroes are added
This was a pretty static dream like honestly
Yeah, I mean I enjoyed it for the aspects that I mentioned earlier that we got to see kind of the rollercoaster of the meta and how these teams are responding and I think that the
The dips in the valleys are there or the dips in the peaks are there because of what Quinn mentioned is just
Teams get time to figure each other out and it is a matter of that timing that it's completely thrown off when there is a patch in
The middle of the tournament because it kind of just resets everybody at the same time and you're all kind of digging
mining for oil hoping you find something somewhere, but
But yeah, in this case, I enjoyed it.
It's a different experience.
Even if the hero pulls a bit stale, it feels like everybody had to have a very clear idea
of not only what was good, but why it was good, what was good against what else was good.
And heroes like Lion popping up at the end of the tournament, I'd say Shadow Shaman,
Hoodwink.
Heroes weren't very popular at the start of the tournament, and then they rose in popularity.
So then you have heroes like SF that, yeah, we just see the number.
The mining was done and this was an opportunity for refinement, but we also get a chance to do a little bit of
Nostalgia baiting I suppose because since it is the very last day in a dream league season 28
Ted, do you remember that at a certain point during one of our various tasks?
You specifically cited that if there was one type of task you would excel at it. Do you know what that task was?
drinking? Oh is it a boost? Pretty
type actually maybe we'll save that for
Birmingham oh hell yeah no actually you
said that if we had a crossword oh you
would do well at a crossword that was my
second guess I need the full team on this
so cap Avery if you don't mind joining
me i'd like to experience dream league
season 28 in the form of a crossword
drinking crossword no
I need you to maintain sobriety. It is of utmost importance because I need your mental acuity at peak performance
Production could we please bring up the dream league season 28?
We try to shock here did a free bike here. That's messed up heaven
That was not the reaction you were expecting. All right friends. I've got a bit of a crossword puzzle
It pertains to specifically dream league season 28 you at home can also be participating
participating you can type things in the chat I'm not gonna use them
3 across is Yandex
Let's go in order
Does anyone have a one down theory? Didn't last long
Two across is Yandex. Yeah
Three across is Suck It
Three across temporary stand-ins catch phrase
Bink BOOM that is correct
Suck it
Yeah
Hell yeah
The leader is Sheever.
Yeah, Sheever.
Sheever.
There we go. Four across the baby animal in an educational role.
Anna?
Pan-Pandex?
I don't know.
Monkey.
Baby monkey.
Why is it an educational role?
We're going to skip it.
We'll skip it for now.
Six across makes you go faster has a V in it.
I was gonna say haste but it's not makes you makes you faster.
Has a V in the middle?
Wait, what's seven down?
Yeah, seven down.
Rune.
Grab it for a boost.
Rune?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Rune, Rune, Rune.
Seven down.
R, U, N, E.
Oh, nope.
R, U, N, E.
Correct.
Okay.
Oh.
Oh, uh, River.
Oh, yeah, River and Rue.
Very good, A3.
Very good job.
Is 8,000 is the liquid I was supposed to, or no, it's not.
Yeah, 8,000.
Team liquid, team liquid, yep.
Always bad at Dream League until now.
I mean, third place, nothing to sniff at.
And a handful of points as well.
Nine across, homegrown game.
Huh?
We'll come back.
18across who we wish would sponsor us 18across who was responsible Lego right
there you go yeah it's like yeah yeah it's like
correct come see us in person Ted what where would we see that Birmingham
Birmingham
20across non-american cast here there's only one non-american play-by-play is
It's it's cinder and it's a lot
It's a cinder and has a Y off to the S. So it's cinder and 12 down Largo take me dragon
Well hero, I don't even know what the name. Yeah, it's a cure. Hold on. Let me get this 12 down Largo noon
Fibian or go about my go by
21 is 21 across 21 across pick me drag here hero hero the most picked hero of this tournament, I believe
Largo 16 down is
Hahahahaha!
No!
Oh, Largo, but not like this!
We ran into the Shadow Fiend.
16 down. Where's the flashiest office and you guys are in for a real treat for his grand final fit?
Always delivers flax... I know who this is... D-H-L!
Brian, can you figure out 15 down for me?
Um... Cameraman.
E-A-M...
Camen... Camena?
Camena.
Camena?
Perfect.
Oh, incorrect. Thank you.
I'll go with my second guest, Banana.
Banana?
Nice.
Alright, what else are we looking at?
First band is Triant at the bottom there.
First band?
Triant?
There you go.
Eleven Defend this.
The Ancient.
Well done.
Talented Geological Event.
The geological event with an M 10 across
Is five down Tice that's honestly is
If they meant those pandas
Tice's believe it's T why it's T. H. I. J. S. H. Oh, never mind. You're right. Oh
He's like, oh, well done!
That's my Dutch Panty!
All right, round of applause.
Our panda is currently Fortnite dancing.
He actually is the most experienced.
I'm stuck on homegrown games.
He's the most experienced adota of all the pandas.
He was the one I was coaching.
He said he had 160 hours in the game.
Wow.
Way back when.
And then all of his friends kept playing,
and he became a talented musician.
So homegrown game must be something
that we routinely do as a game on this.
Don't worry. But what could that be?
Is it like...
What is this last word?
I mean, it looks like Rune.
It does look like Rune.
What would that be?
There could be End.
One.
Something one?
Nine across, we have an extra clue of being told by production.
Jenkins.
is part of the clue.
Cannibal Island.
No.
OK.
It's like a game.
Think of a game that Jenkins made up.
Maybe it would be releasing an ability.
Irina?
No.
No, no, it's Relic Arena.
Relic Arena.
I don't think that's true.
I'm not going to type it.
100% is that, sadly.
They managed to sneak it in.
I think I'll just add it up.
It's like, what game did Jenkins just made?
Did he make this?
Would you not guess cannibal island?
Is that not your first guess?
I don't think that's a game.
Maybe.
It's a game.
Talented geological event.
I think that is very serious for him.
It's a lifestyle.
Oh, is there a talent that sounds like a...
Oh, tsunami.
Yeah.
How do we not get that one?
How did Neil not get that one?
Is Neil not answering on purpose?
Egotistical and I wanted you to say my name.
It's more stylized.
Is ancient not correct?
Why is it not green?
Oh, it's because I'm currently highlighted on it.
Oh, OK.
Baby animal in an educational role is that one of us? Is that a play on someone's name?
What's a baby animal would be a Joey a lamb
The kitten kitten right kitten
No, let's go
Mitten a pet mitten
Disgusting kid
Didn't last long it's gotta be like some team they got eliminated earlier
It's my interpretation you think I would do too because they already did didn't last long at dream league and I guess that's true
We haven't even an educational role
Actually, we haven't asked answer didn't last long who is didn't last long say isn't that oh puppy
Oh, it is Puppy.
The spell to wait Puppy.
Good job, Ted.
Didn't last long, one down, and I've been told that it relates to a player.
Oh, that's a very...
Parker!
Oh, man.
He believed you!
Man, did Puppy piece three months.
And then there's Hotly Confested.
We got two left.
We got 14 down, hotly contested.
And then there's hotly contested
We got two left. We got 14 down hotly contested and we've got 22 across. What do we love at dream link season 28?
Roshan get Roshan
Get Roshan get Roshan drop your stick. We do not have room. We do not have room
Now Ted, what do you love at dream link season 28?
final day
What have you loved over the course of these past two weeks though? I know the answer, but I'll wait drinking duds
Uh kills maybe I'm being I'm being more sarcastic Ted. You did not love this and we did it
Oh, I thought it was disco. Oh, that would have been good. No, but we actually do love. Oh wait
Hey Quinn hi to you can you lean forward for me more more more more more more more more more more
Well, we got to relive all this. I need to get some closing thoughts from all of us because
it's going to be a fresh panel and fresh casters. So I'll start with my casters, Cap and Avery,
season 28 experience tell me about it immaculate immaculate the vibes the music
the pandas were incredible the vibes you kneel exceptional as always Ted
phenomenal job for brick Quinn I retire again okay
Love the analysis. Thank you. And as always my best friend in the world
God
And Austin you were absolutely
You got some of your best cast in a long time in some of these games. Oh, okay
So that's my estimation and I give myself
10 out of 10 stars a rare moment of serenity
Quinn closing thoughts on your dream lakes first-time paneling experience who were cast her last time
That's true as a new new role for me. I had a great time. I got to switch back and forth between the day and night shift
Got a little bit of both
My heart my heart lies with the day shift, even though we went zero and six hundred we did it together
Negative one and six hundred. That's right. We did it together and that's what counts. That's camaraderie
Solidarity that's what we're in the trenches
Goblin up L's non-stop, but that you know that binds you together. That's right. Yeah, we lost company
Yeah, I'm not a
Brian I
Mean for the last like 10 or 15 days. I was on the night shift, but it's all about how you start
It's all about how you finish that's right
And I started to finish here on the day shift with you guys and I was happy to take those last L's you are finished
It was an honor. I've got balls in my face
The ping-pong balls are
And 10 my trusty co-host
There's no one else I want by my side.
Bless you Neil.
How's it been for you?
Uh, it's, it's, I'm very tired to be honest with you.
I was waiting for this for a long few weeks.
Who's gonna give the real feeling about how exhausted, man?
It's like, this has been long and I did Blast before this.
I don't normally do back-to-back events, so I apologize if my energy levels are dead.
But as usual, hanging out with you guys is an absolute pleasure.
Um, I really love the Dream League vibe and the games have been good.
Does someone in the band say, fuck you?
I don't like it.
What?
I'm in front of the band, but fuck you!
Nobody's got the poisons in your head!
That's how long it's been a straight time here at Vices!
I've got balls in my face.
It's great work with all of you, and I look forward to it every time.
Especially behind the scenes, you guys are great.
Much love to everyone.
It takes a village to put on a show like this.
And let me tell you that things are only just now getting started for the final day.
Because we got a concert from the Panthers.
tradition around here at Dreamlane. So stick around everyone for grand finals, some skit,
some action, and of course, don't kill it up. We'll see you later.
I've got balls in my face.
No power no pizza no packages. Thanks razor
What happens when a hero dies in Dota? Well, it's subjective, much like the term hero.
You see, in Dota, heroes are not heroic. They are simply powerful beings doing big things.
Beings with the wit, strength, and skill to do more than any common creature,
which can come from anywhere, from a beast to a god, as they have the power to dynamically change the living world.
But what about the non-living world?
Where does a hero go when they die?
For those powerful enough to shape the universe around them, their afterlife is dependent on
them, and a sinister force that pushes them to their chosen fate.
But we get ahead of ourselves, let's go through the post-mortem process of a hero
to better understand that vile thing.
We can use that pseudo-random example.
Now there's an old story of a young man, Eons ago, who, like many heroes, sought
power at any cost to defeat his most hated foe, a being made from the essence of the validity
of the weather. Now maybe he hated the old storm spirit, or the same reasons that Undercig
became the new storm spirit, or perhaps it was for the desire to control the elements like
Disruptor, maybe just lust for power and wanting to become a god like Zeus. Whatever
the reason, the mortal made it his mission to destroy the storm spirit, and to do so,
he made a deal with the devil.
You see what lies beyond the mortal coil of heroes?
This is not really a mystery.
Demons from the Seven Hells pop up all the time in the mortal plane.
I mean, hell, ghosts might help you lift cargo if you pay them.
Those that attend to these matters between the living and the dead
are a collection of beings known as the Court of Restur.
Mostly demons, some other creatures.
This powerful group acts as the intermediary between souls and their eternity.
And they run it in a very particular order.
Let's go back to that Shadow Shaman corpse.
Now first, a hero dies from who knows what, typically, you know, gangs.
Perhaps they are visited by death itself, the Muerta, or maybe that's just what happens to the lesser beings, it's not really clear.
But the hero's name is written in the necronomicon, the Book of the Dead, and they must traverse the narrow maze.
A seemingly endless labyrinth, which walls are lined with blades and filled to the brim with pitfalls and challenges.
The court would watch souls pass through it, and when a soul finally reached the end, they
would arrive at their own eternal fate.
Now what that fate is, was determined by their journey through the maze.
Would they be damned to eternal suffering, or cast into the light?
Would they venture into the not-fall realm where darkness is light, or would they be caught
in the purgatory for souls that couldn't find the exit?
Now for some, like the Wraith King, who refused to pass on to eternity, or Lion who had
escaped the Hela and the Maze several times, the ultimate goal was life, but to others,
revenge is worth eternal damnation.
And so the deal was struck.
The Aetero left the court of Rostul brimming with a demonic exo-plasmic energy, and was
unceremoniously slain in quickly return.
Now what kind of man would trade eternal damnation for power in their short mortal
life?
An angry man!
He was the answer the Court of Restore had been searching for.
Who wants to watch souls slowly make their way through those halls, solving puzzles, and
proving their beats of strength?
Ah, a real daemon needs a little entertainment.
With a new direction thanks to the brother of the Queen of Pain, Fakora the Hell, the
Court had decided to be less bureaucratic and boring, more reality TV, indulgent,
exciting.
But to make the narrow maze entertaining, well, souls would need some motivation.
The hero's mind was erased, leaving only hatred and cruelty.
Fueled by rage and failed revenge, he lashed out at passing souls.
Using ectoplasmic rays, he hunted and running spirits, chaining them with lightning and sapping
their will to fight.
The maze became a place of panic, souls fleeing its cackling laughter towards any escape.
For any exit, it would be better than being caught by the one they called the Razor.
For eons, the court watched the narrow maze as souls flooded terror, yet even they were
shocked by the fate of those the razor caught.
But that was long ago.
Now in the midst of their weakening power from the Queen of Pains revolution, the court arrived
to the maze only to find the lightning reverent did not appear.
Traces of the void were found, and they soon discovered that their pet razor was
unshackled by an equally powerful being, the Void Spear.
Why without Razor guarding the maze could the dead heroes now escape and come back to life aka respond?
Unfortunately, we still know very little about void spirits preparations for the great confluence
But deep in the realm of the void Razor prepares for his inevitable rematch with a rival that he once hated so much
He traded his very soul and mind for the chance to defeat him and that reunion is sure to shock this road
And all those beyond
It was the after life.
I'm good with it.
The party
Oh my god, I can't believe I'm being killed!
You're stupid, I'm gonna die!
Go for it!
Hey guys, this is Sofab from OG, and today we're going to be guessing people's runs.
No!
La-la from Tiny, very nice, very nice.
Trian, good jokes. Actually, very good jokes.
The drafts are crazy. See?
I mean, Londru with Pudge, Vivern already doesn't seem very good to me.
I got this!
Oh, hell in the ages.
Wait, I thought it's like Tyra, but maybe it's not.
I mean, everyone here is not really that good.
I mean, that didn't feel like very messy.
I know he's pointing hook on Pudge, but I think he doesn't have to do it.
I think maybe they're good.
They said, eh...
They said they're good.
His build is...
...fine.
I think it's good to say that they're doing everything pretty bad, honestly.
All of them.
They just went and feeding people to patch environment, so...
He was trying to hook patch, but they ended up hook-in-transit, so it's for sure low and low.
Hook is just...
It's just unlocked.
I feel like this is a high rank, and you're trying to trick me.
Everything else is like, un-advice.
I'll just do Divine.
That's like the same, we have all the low mommars and now maybe this is the high one, I mean the draft are crazy so, tech is man.
I've never seen this hero for a long time.
It's been a long time
He's getting creeps, I would not...
I don't like that
I'm not looking for the death
So he doesn't hit
The affinity is a little bit low
Because...
They don't have a carry, right?
The clicks are not on point at all
He's kind of like really bad
He's buying trunks though
Is he good?
Maybe this one got the higher
When I watched the end
Dazzle and Ench, they used the ballad, Ench going in to heal Lee's carry, I saw Dazzle also hitting, move forward, hit, move forward, because he has Graves as well, and Ench also doing the hit backwards, hit backwards, and quite nice to see, I think Enchant, yeah.
I will go and save that game, I'll just go Archive, I'll just go Archive
I mean, I see you spot that character
He's at the back, he's at the back
This is impossible, I am like embarrassing myself a lot
Ah, it's that killer mid, okay, and it's punch mid
His build is actually fine
Ehh...
That's some decent troops.
Oh, it's some decent troops, wow.
So he hits Rave back, he's second spell.
I mean, I can... Don't even watch the clip, it's a mortal grenade.
Very nice, very nice.
Willow-Med, okay, what is that?
I think my mom can do it as well.
Yeah, even my grandma.
I think maybe I will put him higher, maybe he will chat, I will kiss each other.
This is not my Laha, I know that in Sky it was me and there I could believe that he is a frankenant.
Kerala?
The way he is so smooth, he is good, he is drinking the pee, yeah, that's smart.
Or at least it's like a divine one of this stuff.
Moment build, the way he is here, it's good.
I am just going for Kerala.
No, it's Kerala.
It's Kerala.
guys below me the carol carol no no no this is like the wrong though they could
be anything they click they click they click I don't know you cannot tell you
just a little bit for watching guys keep supporting by division and never call
me for this video again
it was up guys it's your voice be here and today we're gonna be guessing the
rank for dream league all right we have what seems to be a mag support his
His items look extremely reasonable, the fact that grenade probably already puts him like
middle rank, I'm not even kidding.
His items in general just look super reasonable, his skill was reasonable.
Malus 5 is a kind of weird hero, but it's not your time scaling the tower, it's pretty
common to see the hard lane, teambear on the lane, very strong lane.
He's dead, he's dead but this is just like fine, like he's playing the situation
Pying his items are fine and you should definitely not...
It was all fine until the end.
Privatey rockets should have died.
I think a lot of people look at that and say that's like terrible, but
there's a lot of good things that are happening here actually, I think.
Everyone's kind of like playing it well, they're kiting out.
I feel like the spell casting's pretty good.
I'm just going legend then, I'm sticking with my gut.
I mean, the build says okay, just randomly.
Legend.
By the draft of OD and stuff, but it was good enough by his item build,
but the peak and timber stain with Undying is kind of bad.
And let it be like for Soudre
Like let's try to put a small camp and screw in the tower is quite common and they are in the highest tier rank
But when I look at the heroes it's quite weird
The game is only 4 minutes and there's like 16 kills on it
He or she is around legend
What?
Crusader
Where's Crusader? Oh
Well 11 minutes and 35 kills is getting higher
I mean if we're going based on this like whole kill theory where like those are super relevant
I mean it's true. There's 30 kills I'm in at 11 which is like insane
They're farming this wave. They're stealing each other's farm. These items are a little
Maybe more than a little size.
He's buying orchids against them
He takes way too long to throw. Oh my god that egg was so early.
Oh nice egg
Not feeling good like
enemy positioning is terrible, spell casting is terrible, people are stealing each other's
farm, this is like, the last one was like, you see it or they should try this part, just
below that.
Dark below is, his spell is pretty good, I could guess it's immoral.
Ah, is it that bad?
Cause they're all casting their spells, but I feel like people have gotten better
since I used to.
I want to say this is like, lower than last time, I don't know.
There's no way, there's so many things going wrong.
They're like, stealing each other's farm, the Phoenix spell casting is just wrong.
They're all on the same side of the map, the enemy's positioning is like directly on top
of each other, it's like just bad, but maybe I'll just be too harsh, so I don't know.
I'll go with legend.
In fact it was good, like it's casually spell usage, he didn't put one abird on the Void
Spirit, and also later creeps helped him, some luck, some random, and let it be divine.
In comparison to the last clip, I think this finish is pretty much more confident
from this play.
Ancient.
Nice.
No shot.
This is immoral.
You are terrible.
I can tell it's pretty low rank.
51 minutes probably has like 3 items.
No bottle, no wand, empty slot, rapier Q with consumed axe, consumed axe, empty slot.
Actually I like the right top.
Oh my god.
I think it's a good clip, that's a really good clip, that's an elite level clip.
Because he could also not assemble the rapier when going to do that, no way you're supposed
to like, pre-consume the aggs, so a lot of conceptually bad stuff here.
He's got a good score, 15 kill, probably win this game solo or delaying this, because
He's got just one stun, it's a Sackim, maybe a Breaker, but he's got a Licken, so I think it's not the lower rank game, it's a Legend.
How am I supposed to... I don't know, like, there's like a lot of really bad things. Where's his buff? I guess he's selling it to me by this rapier.
I mean a lot of the heroes look pretty okay, but his items are pretty reasonable. I'll go Ancient then. I don't think this is that low.
It's like a casual mistake, everyone can do this mistake.
I think it's Battle Cup and also they're not going to play ground without ages.
It means they understand something in game and that's why I guess it's a hammer more ancient.
I think it's just way too poor.
Like you have 15 kills and that's only like two crucial items.
The only turning point for him is to buy D1 and I'm guessing Ancient again.
I will guess D1 if he is much more fatter or have more items in this space of the siege
of the game
Thank you guys for watching the video and support us for the upcoming Dream League
Now I finally found someone to build my world around Just can't believe how good it feels to have you around
It's taken by too lonely a day
I can tell so many ways
I know for sure that you're the one that I've dreamed of
I've waited all the life waiting all my life
I've been wishing through the country
It was a dream till there was you
Now it's you, baby, I am
I hope someday the things you say won't be speaking
I just live for real
It could be real
So there was you
There was you
Guess my lucky star
Brought you to me cause there you are
And like a shining light, your love has let me see me
And I'm gonna go on and on
Do you remember?
The twenty first night, I dreamt of murder
But the club was changing the mind
And it's a slur
And I'm chasing the clouds away
I'm gonna stand in a key that a soul will be singing
I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man, I'm not a man
I thought you knew, but you can't leave the car
I want to see you, but I won't leave you talking to love
Remember how we do love is dead, staying out
Not a man, not a man, I'm scared to love
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I couldn't think of a more festive opening for the Grand Finals with PukChampanas and
friends welcome to the final series of DreamLeaks season 28.
It is Grand Finals time and we've got her here today to watch hopefully epic series
Tundra versus Aurora. I'm joined by Dota's finest Jenkins. How are you doing?
Hello, I'm excited to see Nightfall finally win a tournament.
It's happening.
It's happening a little ahead of yourself.
It's happening. My boy, I believe to him, this is the best carry since Prime Nightfall.
People have been saying that for a long time and finally winter is coming for Tundra, Sheever.
How are you doing today, Effie?
I'm great. It's a great start to the finals and yeah, I mean it would be really cool.
Aurora's had a great story this tournament. I'm very excited to see them in the grand finals
But I've got a strong contender in Tundra. How are you doing?
I know it's been rough seeing Team Liquid get eliminated
But you still have some Team Liquid spirit alive of course with 33. I mean even on Aurora, right? There's KP. That's true
So it's a team liquid win no matter what. All right, so you're high for this one
Yeah, I could not have been better. You could not have been better. How are you doing today, Perz? Ready for the grand finals?
That's great. I'm excited to watch the games for sure.
I'm curious to see how the meta evolves in the last couple days,
because it always moves really quickly the last few days when they're like,
okay, we'll do or die. What do we let through now?
So it'll be fun to see what happens.
Yeah, I do want to talk about that, because we have seen all these teams so recently
that I'm just very curious how we feel, how they're going to be doing for this upcoming best of five.
So it's a little bit of a difference already, but is there a clear favorite?
I don't know if there is.
Yeah, okay, not asking Jenkins, because he thinks there's a clear favorite.
Yeah, I mean I can answer, but you guys can go ahead.
I feel like at this stage of the tournament there's a lot of ups and downs.
Some teams are faltering a little bit, some teams are finding consistency.
Like, I think Liquid is an interesting story, they want every single series and then all of a sudden, boom,
they lose a couple in a row and that's it for them.
So, these last moments are big, your prep is huge if you can come into a series.
Knowing what you're going to do strategically and your opponents don't see coming,
that could just be the winner right there.
I think generally speaking, upper bracket team has a pretty big advantage in that regard.
Because you, as a lower bracket, you spend a lot of energy prepping for like the opponent you're up against
and then hopefully like you get to grand finals and then you have like an hour of quickly trying to figure out like
so what do you do against Tundra?
I think in my mind Tundra is the slight favorite. I feel like they have shown
that they grasp the meta heroes better and I feel like they seem to have
like their Beastmaster I think is scarier, though both teams have scary Beastmasters
their Largo to me seems like almost unbeatable
So I just feel like they have a lot more of these things, and then outside of the meta,
like regular meta picks, they also have the Kotol and the Tiny, and the Kotol and the Ember.
So there is more depth to Tundra than I've seen from Aurora, but it does not mean that
they're necessarily going to win. Just think like going into it, they have a bit of an advantage.
Yeah, I feel you feel, because there might be some people that, you know, they only tune
in for grand finals of things. No judgment there, welcome to the show. But what do
What do you feel like they missed coming into this Grand Finals?
What do you think people should definitely know about both Tundra and Aurora?
I think what you missed is Tundra being a very problematic team and having certain
picks that they're just way better at than everybody else, like Aiden touched on briefly,
and also that they're just a net worth team.
Like they play the map, they play the economy, they've done not the whole tournament.
So when you play against this team, that is usually the story.
How do we break this?
How do we stop them from breaking up on the map and just making too much money?
Whereas with Aurora, if you've missed watching them up until this point, they've been so
fun, they've just been feeling themselves, taking good team fights, taking good skirmishes,
just outplaying their enemies through button-pressing and not necessarily through economy.
I think what the crazy thing is about the Aurora story is that Nightfall might be the
best rotating carry of the tournament.
I can't believe those words are coming out of my mouth.
It's Nightfall, you know?
But like truly, his rotations have been amazing.
He shows up at the perfect time to get really big kills without griefing his own farm, without
griefing his own game.
The cool story to me here is they're going up against an opponent, Tundra, which I think
Aiden, the point you raised maybe was yesterday, Liquid vs Tundra.
The Tundra figured out Liquid in the draft, and I feel like other teams can see that,
and they can pick apart Liquid using the same thing.
Nisha was completely on fire in this tournament.
Once they deal with Nisha, Liquid is out.
I don't feel like Tundra had that prep for Aurora because they felt like they had to for Liquid.
So for me, the question is, can they have a similar level of prep in the time that they've been given?
Like, did they even expect to be playing against Aurora today?
Yep. We will find out, of course, once the draft comes to see what kind of plans they have.
But speaking of prep for this best of five purge, I believe you also have done some prep
of something you would really like to show us for your tech segment.
That's right. But I gotta go up there.
Yes, you do.
You want me to talk while I do this?
If you can.
Follow me, everyone.
Don't talk while walking to upstairs.
It's very dangerous.
What?
No, it's not.
You can hurt yourself.
This way.
Camera, follow me.
OK, I'm ready to start.
Here we go.
Look, yesterday in the series, Liquid played against Tundra.
And the most impactful thing that happened in the draft
was that there was a first pick exchange.
Tundra grabbed the Shadow Fiend,
and Liquid grabbed the Batrider.
And Liquid's got first choice on this.
They chose to pick the Batrider or the SF.
But let's look at how it played out in the game and what Tundra did to shut it down.
Into the clips, please. Thank you.
Alright, check this out. Level 3 here.
Batrider is looking to not die against this, uh, this, uh, Bane here.
Plus the SF. Oops, I'm sorry, I'm sped this up.
I'm gonna restart that. I'm gonna press play.
Some more normal. There we go. Okay.
So, he's trying to set up this multiple-raise combo here.
He manages to catch him with the nightmare.
He's gonna use a Blood Grenade. There's gonna be multiple raises.
Look at SF's mana, by the way.
He anticipated how much mana he was gonna need to get this kill.
pops to the ferry and the the Lotus just in time to get the kill. So that's the first thing.
That's basically what he has to worry about dying too consistently. At the wisdom room,
Whitemon's gonna go contest this and they do see his support TP from Storm to make sure that he doesn't still try and
believe this. He actually puts this sentry down right before he ends up dying.
What that's gonna do is gonna block this camp down here from spawning consistently.
So despite looking like he failed here, he actually got something done very effective,
which is gonna mean every time Batrider tries to stack this camp,
He doesn't get max efficiency here and these are the camps that usually use as a off laner to catch up
So stopping that spawn from happening means less gold is going to ace even though
He is going to farm a lot of creeps in these areas in a sense in an attempt to catch up
But what that ends up meaning is that the times he does come back to lane if whitemon catches him with nightmare here
Pure gets to do this really easy requiem kill that are almost impossible to stop if their opponents
Don't see that coming so that ends up being really impactful and results in ace having to play more defensive
It's only until the 10-minute mark right before a response that he realizes that the camp is blocked
So he's gonna go back to the lane for a little bit to get a little experience here
He's still got to be careful if the gank does come in the meantime
He's gonna work on the ancients in this large camp that he stacked earlier
In between farming some of his camps and when he goes back here
He's unfortunately gonna miss it again
But he'll get one medium camp stack with the D word so all of this gold ends up like stacking up and being nice and
Preventing ace from getting as much gold as you normally would and he's actually so scared of this creep wave here
because he doesn't want to die. He doesn't even want to aggro this thing.
He's gonna walk up and kill just some of it and run for the hills because he's
terrified that Bane's gonna show up and kill him. That kind of just shows the
pressure that exists on the map for him and eventually it does come for him here
with this nice recommend kill with the fiend script but watch what Whitemon does
afterwards and how prepped he is to really screw up this game. Now there
was a big teamfight at 14 minutes so Liquid didn't manage to get the
wisdom shrine then but while Whitemon's here he takes it. He puts
another sentry down to block it again and he instantly gets in position to
set up for pressuring this tower and as a result he gets this instant nightmare. His team gets to rotate over
They're gonna use the Orchid from the brewmaster a little bit combo here that allows him to kill on boxy, which is great
But then ace here's the bar again. He gets SD ulted. He's taking bonus damage here
He looks slightly safe, but he gets sent back and he just ends up dying at the start of the fight
They don't even have to commit the brew ulti so white lawns play in this game
Secured the landing stage decrease the bar riders farm. I mean look how much net worth he's got 5.6
compared to the 9.2 of SF. It is not even remotely close here, and that kind of play
instead of the thunder planned for here in this draft is part of the reason they
stopped that series so effectively. So we'll see what the prep has in store for
today. It could be just as decisive. The prep was very very strong for Thunder
versus Liquid. So we're curious to see what they bring to the table against Aurora.
They have faced each other before. It was Aurora that was victorious. Thunder
only dropped two series in the group stage overall. One against Liquid,
one against Aurora, the fixed one of the two, we'll see about the other one. But I want to continue on
about Aurora a tiny bit, because there's one part of the story that we haven't told yet, and Sanyi,
I feel like it's no longer really a thing, but at the same time, should we not highlight that
Lornoff is a stand-in? I mean, it is actually quite incredible how well they've been doing with
them, but I think he's been a stand-in for like about two months now or something. It's been
like a longer period of time where they've stayed with them, so I think while he is a stand-in,
And then at this point they probably are more comfortable playing with Lornov than Mikoto.
And I would say the key difference between Lornov and Mikoto is that Lornov is a lot
more of a macro player.
He plays quite slow, quite efficient, and in that way he can match Tundra quite well
in terms of like, I don't think Aurora will necessarily get outmapped, as a lot
of teams do when they play against Tundra.
And there could be like an efficiency matchup that's quite interesting there.
Well I would say without further ado, ladies and gentlemen, let's get this
grand final started.
We feel good? Yeah, we planted well,
we get all of our games,
and we made a lot of progress.
This breaks the link by movement.
U-23 comes back to taunt him a little bit.
And look at that, all these heroes low,
all kept alive,
it's not only to damage, but to heal.
Before this term, I think we won, like,
Fissure Universe and Tribute Fusion 2 qualifiers.
I think it's already expected to get some good results.
ground next to these wards, there comes WS, wait for Ravage, turning this around!
We don't, the enemy draggas into random stuff, then we can win against any team.
It's not that we reached out gold, we want to win.
Making an X-Men infrared!
Right ballbomb! Trying to get the force out to pull him away!
The Meteors just track him down and now they're tornado!
With the Cataclysm, it's gonna kill Posse as well!
There goes the Egg! BKB!
From here, we'll ask Grapey to make...
We have improved a lot more online. We have new heroes, we have new strategy at this tournament.
So big fast, he just breaks the link by moving, 93 times back.
Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, we are moments away from getting the draft underway,
and yeah, we can speculate a little bit, I thought,
to think about what we feel is coming our way in terms of heroes.
Draft is on board.
A little bit!
But importance should be the first base band because a couple of teams have been letting
one, maybe there's one team letting Chetafine through and I'm really curious if that's going
to be the case.
Now if they have to let the ban it, it's okay.
Now they got Beastmaster.
That's the issue, you're always going to give away a great hero to Tundra.
Right, I mean you don't really have much of a choice on that regard.
You know they're going to pick the beast.
One of the offside to it is you can kind of plan ahead.
When you're on second pick like this, you give away a hero that you guaranteed
No, they're going to pick so you can set up your answers.
What is an answer?
Because normally it would be Shadow Demon, but that's already obviously banned out.
Is there a specific hard need for a save when it comes to playing gameplay?
Oh, wow.
Or just for a space pick, Ursa, because why not?
I mean, I guess if you get eggs on Ursa, you could
hypothetically remove like it getting reward, it's less of a danger.
So you could time your ulti to the right time, but I'm less surprised to see this.
It also takes a flex, I suppose, because you probably don't want to ever play B-semester offline.
Not that it's as common as the other two rules, but...
Do you have any other ideas?
Now when I see this pick, I go back to what Brian keeps saying about Ursa,
which is it feels like more of a hero that you're picking to snowball the mid game now
because the Akshar got nerfed, so the lick and scaling is not as good,
but the mid game is quite crazy.
And Nightfall has actually rotated mid a lot of times on Ursa, diving the tower.
I guess there's a timing where if you know that you're gonna play some really active Ursa
It's like if you're playing against beast in the off lane
Maybe you can beat him there if he's playing mid-beast you can rotate there if he's playing safe lane beast
You can go through the portal like maybe that's the way nightfall is thinking about this with the rotations
He's making now the upside is that Beastmaster doesn't have mobility like it's a very strong hero
But if an Ursa shows up in your lane you should be able to beat him
It's one of the few heroes that can actually kill a beast if you have a little bit more disabled on top.
I mean, it's very strange, but it has to be something like that, right?
I think it's comfort related too. I think this has been their most successful carry.
Abaddon has been banned out, and that's been their next choice, I think.
So therefore, I think they just kind of want the Ursa.
Answering the beast is hard, to be honest.
Like, this hero goes in three lanes. He has two types of different builds he can play.
He can play on Boars, which counters a certain set of heroes.
Like Ursa, for example, not creating his best light boars.
But he's good against the Axe build, so depending on what build you go up against, you can be good or bad, but it's a hard hero to counter, so I think Aurora is just going with like, we're going to pick heroes that we like, we're going to create our own set of issues, and we're going to let Thunder create their set of issues and try to match it up that way.
I mean, I like that idea for them a lot, because they look best when they feel confident, so if they get their heroes, that's just a step in the right direction.
I also think there's something to be said about the Roche timing, having a carry that can play for an early Roche.
If they take a good team fight, like after the laning stage, it's super valuable versus
Beastmaster teams.
Because in this tournament, we've seen the Beastmaster teams get Roshan, like minute
13, minute 14.
And then afterwards, the game is such a mess to play.
So if you're the Ursa team, you just get one good fight, you can take away a key
part of Beastmaster's gameplay.
The thing is, I don't necessarily think they'll get Ursa to chase this Beastmaster,
because Tundra have actually played it more on carry and mid than they have on off-lane
this tournament.
I will also say there's probably a difference with the best of three versus the best of five where
If Aurora is able to win this game with first pick Ursa, well second pick Ursa, but first phase pick Ursa
There is a chance thunder next time around might just
Feel like I need to ban it and that would free up the draft a lot more
We have some like broken Largo or tree answer like that
So the cool thing with jacquero here is that kind of one of those heroes
it just does its job pretty consistently at every single game. And when you're picking
in this position as Aurora, you don't really have much information to go off of. This Beast
Master could end up in any of the three lanes, so you can't necessarily go for like a hard
Beast Master counter pick. So you want to pick something that's just stable, you know
it's not going to be for draft, and it's hard for the enemy team to counter pick.
And Jekiro is like, perfect hero to fit that description.
I think both teams are probably looking at Tusk right now as well. Tusk to save
from Eastroar, Tosca combo with Chikiro, but of course, playing Chikiro into Tusk feels
pretty decent because the snowball is always going to pull two heroes into a big ice path,
a macro pyre. Chikiro sets up for a nice Tusk pick.
I like this pick here. I feel like Shadow Shaman has shown extreme value in the last week
at least. It's just a high winner here. Ari's Shaman is excellent. It gives them
such good core pick offs as the game continues. He could be finding an Ursa and getting like a
hex into Shackle. It could be just general teamfight stuff. I just feel like this hero's been doing
well. To me, the Shaman is a preemptive pick to Laurenov's hero pool. The sky plays puck and
star spirit very well and pretty often, right? So when you take the Shatter Shaman, you guarantee
that you don't really get gotcha'd within this draft. Because you have the instant
disable and hex, you have the follow up disable and Shackles. It's like a pick that
It gives you bans, basically, right?
And that's generally something you want him to do in drafts, right?
You want to try to limit the amount of heroes that the enemy team can pick.
You want to pick heroes that make it so that Aurora has no good options.
I think it's interesting how Tundra's pivoted here with their next two picks, though.
The Shaman and the Beast look normal, but putting Shen on top makes this look like a scary push lineup now.
And they didn't have to reveal that at all because Beast just happens to be good in the meta,
so it's like another way they get to pivot the hero potentially.
Some heroes stand in front of towers, seems really nice right now, like Tidehunter would be kind of nice.
That's a bit tricky to pick though, when you don't see your matchups.
Cause I feel like here's the thing right, when you're on Psycho Pick you're picking two heroes now,
and most likely it's going to be the Offlane, cause you would want to kind of equidmit.
And therefore you need a stable lane, this has to be like once again kind of similar to the Jukiro pick.
You want something that's just stable and you know it's going to be quite sound no matter what they go up against.
I still really feel like Tusk is a...
If they can find a stable lane with Tusk in the off lane, it's so insanely good against a single target from Beast and Shaman.
The tricky thing with Tusk though against Shen is Shen has the Divine Favor.
That just gives a ton of armor for any target.
So, you get a lot of reduced value out of fighting, and Chen is quite a hard hero to just eat in the lane.
So, yeah, you can play for wave pulls and stuff like that, but feeding him in the lane is tricky.
Yeah, the Chen makes it weird.
I also think Mira, in my mind, is a bit more of a ranged spellcaster type set of player.
Like, when you play as Lyan, so the lane specific hero fits him a bit better than the melee base.
I agree. I mean, he's looked really good on Nixon Tiny as well, so he's developed as a player,
as a player, but ultimately this is where he looks best when he has a hero that can win
lane and then move around the map after securing lane.
What do you guys think about Timbers off for WS?
I also have Timber in lane.
He cooks on that hero and it's a very nice hero to burst through the tankiness and the
heals of the Tendraft.
I was thinking maybe Bristol too.
I mean, yeah, any hero that stands in front of towers is so good against these heroes.
You see three pushing heroes right now.
So, something to stand in front of towers.
And you talked about the stable lane, Bristol Hoodwink.
It's very difficult to find a safe lane
that will actually beat that.
Right.
But doesn't Shannon consider a counter to Bristol already?
Because he can hex on and break with that, low 50?
It's decent.
If you think about the drawbacks to Shannon Beast's
roster, it's that they lack damage, right?
Even though you can break him,
you also need to kill him during the break duration.
And if you don't have that,
which they now like kind of obviously backed up with Muerta,
which is one of the best heroes
that just outputting a ton of damage very, very quickly.
That's a bang and pick.
Yeah. It's not very surprising.
They've been playing this all tournament long,
but if you look at now Aurora's side,
you know, Ursa and Bristol is two of your main cores
with absolutely no magic damage.
This is also just gonna give them a spillbridge fire
very early on.
So like that item has gotten up in value
throughout this tournament
and we've seen the pick up early on Muerta.
It just...
I think I even saw pure buy at like first.
Literally first item. I honestly against Bristle I think for sure you just go for Silver Edge like even the slow on the supports and
In the time that you can run away from marathas attack range. You're just dead as a jikiro or a hoodwink
I think we saw like
Almost this exact same matchup with hoodwink. Maybe it was like SF versus hoodwink the same thing some mega output
Damage carry that in this silver edge 200 slow can almost insta kill a hoodwink
Yesterday BZM talked about which mid laners he thought were strongest. He mentioned Nisha
without hesitation and the second one he mentioned was Lornoff. He's been also doing very well.
And Lornoff has, in his own words, worked a lot on his mid lane in his last two months
where he said he was extra focused on getting that lane dominance, especially with the
last hit balance. Can you tell us what he means by that?
I don't necessarily think that he is like dominating lanes.
It seems to me that he understands now that Quinn has a great video about this.
Just the little details in a lane where you pull the creeps just a little bit to the right
or you can test Elast it by putting your body there where you're basically showing
like okay if you come to Elast it this I'm going to hit you.
And a lot of the times nothing happens but instead of the enemy getting a CS you
are preventing that and then nothing is happening because a good player is going
to react to somebody putting their body somewhere.
Like basically the fine details in his laning has improved to a degree where he can arc out
these little advantages which sometimes turns itself into like domination.
It's like the concept of you know like Enigma not using black hole.
Yeah.
It's almost scarier than dating with a black hole.
The threats of the black hole.
Exactly.
And it's the same thing but on a very, very micro scale you do it with CS thing, you
do it with laning.
It's like how you position yourself to kind of pose a threat and like Deccan said
most of the time nothing happens but those are like the details that make people think
Like, oh, Nisha's so good, or Quinn is so good.
And obviously, Lornoff has been trying to match that.
And ironically, it only works against very excellent players that also understand you're here enough to not contest things when it looks dangerous.
It's very cool stuff.
Well, let's see what kind of cool stuff comes from the mid lane, because it does seem like we need a mid laner for both teams.
It does seem that way, but Tundra could always mix it up, right?
We could potentially be a mid laner, and they pick a hero for that up.
It's all mobile heroes getting banned out here, which I think Aurora definitely needs somebody to initiate
They don't really have a good option for that other than like front line of three semester or sorry
Bristleback, there we go
Mean storm stands out a lot of good heroes a storm of them banned out
Yeah, not not great to say bull coming from Aurora side for storm either. It's all very projected
Yeah, and I think for tundra heroes like tiny and stuff are a bit scary to pick because of us character. That's potentially
But I do feel like Wyrta seems kind of unkillable if Astar comes out.
Yeah, and she's guaranteed to build a Silver Edge.
I mean, that seems like a great pick, right?
All Break against Bristleback that solves that pre-Silver Edge.
This takes the pick away from Aurora if they wanted it.
The Break is also quite powerful against Ursa, right?
Because you rely on your Fury Swipes in order to deal damage.
Yeah, it's all through BKB.
Yeah, and the really cool thing about Viper is it's a tricky hero
to stomp and lean. And again, when you're in these positions where you have to pick
for your opponent, you want to make sure you pick something well rounded. Something that
they can't just counter pick simply.
There's 20 seconds left for Aurora to think about what they're going to do against his
Viper in the mid lane. Oh, there he goes, he's Viper.
Okay, alright.
Was that on anybody's radar?
It's a long-range damage-geeling hero against Viper.
This is almost always what people look to pick, because you just outrange it, like Lina,
Sniper.
It's been a while since Lornaff has played Sniper mid.
Yeah.
And it's a weird hero in terms of draft integrity, because it feels like they're just picking
it because there's a Viper.
And that's kind of what's cool about Thunder here, is they've managed to create a draft
that they're happy with, while at the same time forcing a lot of picks out of Aurora.
It doesn't mean that Aurora's draft is bad, but I feel like they kind of got to set the pace
and they kind of got to pick the heroes they wanted, and Aurora ended up responding a lot
and in a way that's very controlled by Thunder, they know that a lot of these heroes are coming.
And it's a 33 Viper, by the way, so it's Beast Mid going against Sniper.
Yeah.
That is interesting. That's pretty cool because Beast Mid should naturally do well
versus Sniper with his damage block, like that is a comfortable lane for him
and now they have this Viper to bully Ursa online. It's a really cool pivot.
Honestly, I quite like Tundra's draft compared to Aurora's, just because Aurora doesn't really have any initiation.
They have their blink dagger, Ursa, but that's about it.
They have heroes that are going to run in like the Bristol Back, but they don't have that blink sun.
That means to take a fight that they look so good on.
If they look best, then they have double initiation from off and in mid, and it's just not there in this game.
Yeah, they have too much carry potential between Sniper and Ursa and Bristol Back.
That's too much carry potential. They're going to be lacking the things that you just mentioned.
Unless, with that theory, if they draw this game out, if they manage to, would they be an advantage eventually?
Yeah, of course, but their parts have really good pushing, so I feel like they should be able to up the tempo and stop them from farming as much as they need.
I think, also though, Meta is not really like that guy on Viper. He's not Amar.
There is that question mark of Meta Viper. For sure, for the draft it's better, and for the remaining setup it makes a lot of sense.
But it's not necessarily one of his most comfortable heroes.
Yeah, that could definitely be an element.
Like, if I'm ignoring the teams completely, I would say that, like, Tundra has the better draft.
I feel like the Sniper is just, like, shoehorned in, and maybe they overcooked a little bit,
trying to counter Viper, and Viper just goes offline.
But then it results in this thing you're talking about, where now it's Netta Viper.
It's an interesting game, very weird.
An interesting game coming our way, exactly what we want for game one of our best of five Grand Finals.
Thunderstack, Spawn, Spawn, and Cinderan are ready for you.
But first, the F***ed-up Tundra's.
Thunderman in the house!
Thoughts man, he was thunder at grand finals day Aurora vs. Tundra, best of five.
I was not expecting Aurora to make it to the Grand Finals after the last couple of performances
Cinderan, but they shall lack today and they have some major momentum coming into this
Grand Finals.
Yeah, the same can definitely be said for Tundra though, they also made very quick
work of Liquid yesterday, so.
Some teams, this is how it goes toward the end.
If you level up significantly and others can't keep up the pace, you will get first
blood.
Pure as the one to take it home on the Muerta, we've seen him go off the rails on this hero in this tournament a couple of times.
Definitely a scary one to give up first blood to.
As Ari, if he wants to continue trying to pressure here with 33 playing the Viper, we'll talk about that in just a moment, but Mira coming in as well.
So Ari will end up getting eventually traded.
Obviously the first blood for Aurora, the bigger of the deal here, or for Tundra rather.
Yeah, it seems like the idea here from Tundra's side was to not only pressure additionally behind the tower to try to influence the creep equilibrium.
Are we actually playing Tri versus Trilane?
I'm sure it'll dissipate here.
I hope this stays for like three minutes or so, just so I can relive the glory days of Nevermind.
Alright.
You actually, unironically, you feel that way, which is just disgusting.
I like Tri lanes.
Okay?
Yeah.
I'll say it.
I like Tri lanes.
There's something inherently wrong with you, then.
Yeah, that's right.
I'm also not going to disagree with that, but I do like tri-link.
But yeah, 33 playing Viper, a little switch up here at the end.
We're expecting him to be on the Beastmaster.
Obviously, BGM has played Beastmaster as well,
but once the sniper was picked up,
it'll switch up from Thunder, etc.
Pretty cool.
Yeah.
Panel was talking about how this Beastmaster mid-into-sniper
might do quite well, and then you get the Viper
against Ursa first instead of putting Beastmaster
in that lane. For me, I think this is more about dodging beast into Ursa than it is about
getting beast versus sniper. I don't think, if I had to guess, I don't think we've seen
this lane this whole tournament, but I would say this should on paper be sniper-favorite
for me. We'll see how well PZM can do. Good start for him at least. Are he taking a beating?
He's going to take a full dual breath, attempting to walk it off, foul play, activate, and
he's going to live.
What is the cooldown?
I feel like this thing goes off constant.
Two minutes.
How's it been two minutes since his death?
Because we're at two minutes.
Yeah, that makes sense, doesn't it?
That's how math works.
It's also reset when you respawn.
That's how time works.
It's 33.
Continue to take some harassment from the support of the tournament.
That wasn't necessarily Kaori, but Jikiro has a hero.
I will give you credit for your read on time.
on time I think it wouldn't have been ready just yet it was close though okay
but this this is a very unique ability I think is this the only ability in the
game that has to cool down reset when you respawn I think it is I didn't yeah I
have no clue that was actually a thing makes no sense this is the only thing
I can't think of another ability that has that yeah I think about it makes
sense considering it goes off every single time yeah that's right a top lane
Heavy harassment on both Mira and WS. Mira, who looks like Cure's gonna be able to get the Lotus, but 33 dying on the bot lane does not get the XP trade here, he kills off Kaori after death as Pure kills off Mira in top.
A lot of action already in this game, number one.
It's not the worst trade bottom because it's actually extremely valuable for Shadow Shaman to get experience
So with Viper dying first, Ari at least gets the XP trade and you get the gold trade and you show back up with resources now
You can see interestingly 33 has gone caustic bath
A lot of offline Viper's that we've seen have gone for the other facet
So you can play way more aggressively on poison attack
But he's planning ahead for building tankiness, which is, you know, kind of his MO this tournament in general, you could say, 33, yeah.
Love's getting really tough to kill, and he will of course take the defensive facet as a result.
Yeah, so far this bottom lane for the Viper is going alright. I mean, it's not flawless, but you are winning against the Ursa.
And it should be getting significantly harder now for nightfall now that my pits level three poison attack gets so much better
Double damage on level two from level one. Yeah
And I did want to talk about WS just briefly I know it's easy to say now that they're in the finals
I would have said this regardless though other than 33. I feel like WS has genuinely been
The best offline at this tournament. He has played
incredible. Oh, it's a beautiful double bush whack onto the thunder side it
doesn't turn into a kill but at the very least WS stays safe for Aurora.
You can see BZM living on low HP in the mid lane at the moment and he's sitting
on 9 27 versus the 26 and 8 from Lornoff. So Sniper favored. Yeah I feel
like this lane gets harder and harder for Beastmaster. Sniper reaches level
five because you're gonna have to... you're probably gonna have to fare out
additional regen. I don't think you can play on bottle only in this one.
This lane is relentless. Mira's the one to fall this time.
That's pure in company. Looks like they can kill WS, still around pretty low HP.
Another shackle in the bot side. This one's on nightfall, but they're not
really gonna do much here. But yeah the bot and top lane are just constant
action at the moment. You can't even get a thought-out, Cinderant.
That's right. Don't have any anyway.
Oh, that would be a first for you, actually.
Or when you speak, you don't think, actually. So yeah, that does connect there.
Glad to see we could level with each other there.
You've got there as well.
Okay, after the pressure play here mid from Aurora, they're gonna bring both
supports to try to dive the tower with their Siege Creep.
BZM seems aware of it. He's farming the camps, but they will maybe find an angle here. This is okay. Never mind
Don't try to kill some force. They will also not do that
So wasted rotation for Aurora unless they can pressure this tower and I thought left is on devices bought though
And this tower is probably just conceded by Tundra. Honestly, they're gonna glyph for now
But unless you start bringing serious numbers
Snipers a beast and fights like this. You just set up nicely. You've got to Kiro. You've got the siege creep
Even the illusion room to tanks and power shots
WS getting dead shot with the calling as well pure will take him to the grave
As more time does
Finally get that Bristol back first death for WS here. Oh, that was really close to a denying
Oh, you didn't that wasn't showing for everybody out there. Beastmaster almost denied the tower with one bore shot
other than pretty cool from BGM, but
Like you said, there's non-stop action everywhere. I can't help but feel like Tundra are easily getting the better of this overall, though.
You look at the net worth, Char Pure is smashing it, and Nightfall has so little on his Ursa.
Push back onto 33, Nightfall thinking about it. This is a tier 2, the... ooh, the Sharpshooter does hit, but Viper barely living on about 5 HP.
Either way, Aurora, obviously we're coming there for the shrine, White Monk and Lornauf
will trade them for each side.
Shatter Shackle, Ari all over the place, Lornauf trying to help Mira out, not going to happen
although 33 can get turned on and it indeed is the case.
So a bigger kill coming out from Lornauf, and now Ari on the run, should be okay.
I think Lornauf doesn't have enough mana yet.
Oh, maybe not.
We're gonna get a couple more pop shots and call it a day.
I believe that.
But still, the prize possession, 33 kill.
It's something for Aurora, but they are losing two lanes significantly and they are winning
mid slightly.
So you've got to find a way to activate sniper as much as possible.
And this was kind of, I want to say what Insane was talking about with draft integrity
is that you're picking the sniper to deal with a potential problem, but...
Now the lineup has to kind of structure a very specific type of fights to work.
They're gonna ult, flash, and get the ice pack as well.
They got a lot of stun lock and 33 is just gonna get ticked out.
That's a good kill.
Alright, a little bit late to the party, so another death to 33.
That's three.
As this lead is dissipating for Tundra.
Got a haste rune in the bottle on Beast Massive though.
Surely BZM will look for some revenge down bottom.
bottom ideal target will be the sniper and he's going to be right in front of them yes
he is not afraid ice path eventually hits abeasium has that haste to lauren off gets shackled as
be easy and should be able to finish the job easily will expend the roar just to make
sure they get their prime target you could keep running after the hood went here but
it's been like a waste of time and you will head back to mid but he already came
for. I didn't want to talk about the the draft a bit because we've obviously talked about
Nightfall playing Ursa seemingly his favorite hero right now. First pick though, we're not expecting
that is speaking of which the bear going after the beast, two level advantage for Nightfall
doesn't look like it right now. We will eventually run Amanda and the TPs will dissuade him from
going any further. But yeah that first pick was pretty surprising to me. Yeah I think Aurora
probably had to read that if they want this hero they had to pick it there and
then before it gets banned and maybe they consider it a solid counter against
Beastmaster. I feel like this matchup's kind of double edged.
Nice war trap on tonight. Fall, Ari gets caught off guard though with the ice path.
Ah, he's healing with the Shackle. He's getting the Shackle heal and the
axes come in to finish the job. Foul play activates and Ari still falls to
the shrapnel. So net result one for one.
These drums are picked up for 33.
I'll tell you this much about her, so if you're 6th on net worth minute 10, your hero is not good.
That is just... that's a fact.
Yeah, 10 minutes in and he hasn't even really started the battle.
This is not, it's not looking great for Nightfall.
And I, the matchup into where it says also one of the worst ones, because you can just pop her ulti and be invincible to you for...
8 seconds. Trying to set something up on 33.
Oh, but he's the one that's found out.
He gets Viper's Struck.
Ari's just always there seemingly with a shackle.
I'm also saying this is one of the last days we were casting Tundra,
but Ari's Shadow Shaman in particular has been stellar.
He plays more aggressively, I think, than anybody else.
It seems like we're reaching a stage of the tournament
with Shaman and Lyon are just becoming the force.
Lyon may be less so, it's been less contested,
but you did see Aurora run it in the previous series against Liquid.
Just these instant hexes to have some sort of way of beginning fights
and threatening kills around the map when you're making moves
seems to be really valuable.
I think Shaman has a little bit of an edge in the matchup
because him versus Lyon.
Serpent Wards are obviously really nice for taking objectives,
but also the 15-todd hex breaks just seems so strong.
in the current meta. There's a lot of these tanky boys that have some tanky...
like Bristleback for example. Having any sort of ability that you can reliably break the whole game is so impactful.
Sure.
Top tower smoke. They don't find WS initially. He TP's in though to the tier 2, gets deadshot into a calling but
is tanky enough to walk away from the situation.
There's a little bit of wasted time here for Tundra. Looks like they got a ward down though.
I'm with you, I feel like a first pick Ursa is very early, and you can tell Tundra are
trying to exploit it as much as possible.
This is kind of a battle of ideas where Aurora are saying, oh hang on Nightfall getting roared
from fog, he hasn't raged, just trying to bait out TPs it seems from VZM and Mission
Accomplished.
Putting the stator on the other side of the trees actually killed off
Just threatening in the meantime they're playing the enemy triangle
So I mean in a best of five if you can force them to ban a hero that has genuinely just not been banned in the first phase
The entire tournament that is a huge leg up in the draft
So Aurora showing some cojones
Because if it worked out then yeah, they would be at an advantage for sure going forward in this series
This night ball company there smoked up easy. I'm no longer has Gory. He's gonna get jumped ice-pack hit
He's dead.
Nifol would love to take this stack, but he's not close to the battle.
No.
They have Makropire.
Oh, yeah, they do.
And Shrapnel.
Pushback with Shrapnel.
We'll get a decent amount. 33.
Investigating the situation.
All right.
Looks like they'll just trade farm between each team, although,
Tundra, find out. Recover this area of the triangle, let Aurora exit already.
And there's the boots of Bairry. So what do you want to see on 33? You said tank mode?
I mean that's just what he does, so that was a given. I think this game is exceptionally good for Pike, Ursa, Bristle,
Even against Sniper, being able to distance yourself and get out of Trapnoles and reposition.
Getting more attack range is nice.
They're going to open on the bottom.
They will.
Bushwax sets up the sharpshooter and macro-pire, but he walks away, hand of Gabe and used.
But he's quite healthy now for the time you're side.
Get a nice dead shot onto the jikiro.
Trying to cross the bridge as they get the shackle onto Mira as well, so both supports for Aurora dead.
As Lornoff has the maelstrom, we'll be opting to finish the full Mjolnir here next.
This tier one looks to be Tundras.
This is when it gets kind of interesting here.
When Tundras start taking a couple of the towers out, how do you play the map as
the radiant when you have no traditional playmaker?
This is what happens when you pick Sniper mid, Ursa, and then also Bristol, is
that all three cores kind of have no setup, no catch.
They have a good amount of damage,
but there's a lot of pressure in this game
on Mira and Kaori to land disables
to enable their heroes to actually function.
For Tundra, it's a lot more straightforward.
You have Blink Hacks, you've got Aurora,
and then you have full-off damage in space, so.
I'm curious how Aurora are gonna play that,
because Ursa, sure, he was part of that previous smoke gank,
and Nightfall is 2-0-0, but his farm is still
Very, very bad considering his usual numbers.
What would you consider an acceptable battle fury timing?
Two minutes ago.
So 13 minutes.
Yeah, if you're 2-0 on 0, I think 13 minutes is alright.
That's even a bit slow under normal circumstances.
But you just already see it.
We're trapped from R8.
He's gonna get down on my knifepall though.
Bow play won't be enough and now Knifepall getting some much needed farm on the snakes
as we see a roar onto Kaori, easy pick up for Tundra.
So again, for a while.
It's game one, we'll warm up.
That wasn't bad.
That'll get better.
That wasn't bad.
It'll get better.
It's no R.E. Monagrande, but...
Nah, that one won't be beaten.
Roshan time for BZM.
Classic Beastmaster timing.
Ags and then you can solo this and it gets ten times easier with the help of chen creeps and viper
My impure will ult. Oh and it's yeah
Fascinated so it's quite low, but we'll walk away from this situation as
Yeah, like you said ages on the side of tundra BZM gets that bad boy
They do have a lot of long-range poke with the sharpshooter assassinate
They do but once again you have to find the openings first and this this damage is capped right like
Once these heroes start to get it start getting tankier and tankier you're gonna have auras from Chen
You're gonna have tankiness from Viper
Beast master is going to just get a lot of levels and get a ton of strength from that I
Have a hard time seeing Aurora winning fights in the near future without Ursa participating in them
And I feel like he kind of camped for the most part because he still needs to farm
Nightfall is definitely a changed man, though, like he's trying to be way more active than we're used to seeing him in past events.
But perhaps in this game, maybe a little bit too eager to make moves.
And he's making good use of that ward, baits them in to try to go for him, and they just pick off the support now.
That's BGM. Just a couple hundred away from Blink Danger.
Yeah.
And his dream health.
Okay, raises his hands, but does it commit
One thing that
Every time you speak
There's the role for BZM. He wants syndrome to shut the hell up as K. Ori gets hexed and brought down easily
But 33 killed off by Lorna that is a much bigger kill to buy back now from K. Ori
Sharpshooter is gonna slow the Beastmaster as it hits him in the ass
It's off the horsey though. It's a little bit of distance. Assassinate's gonna get a little mini stun action in the Ward's place
as a distraction tactic for Ari. And finally the blink comes up from BZM, so he's gonna be fine. Has that second life skill.
Obviously no roar.
Yeah, these wards will be eaten up quickly. That's a pretty creative way to use Serpent Ward's actually. Use them as a ward.
Just see what the movement was like. Maybe he was hoping to get a surround on a hero as well, heading in.
It's like a minor taunt. Pure as immediately on the move here though in his shift. Oh, yeah. All right. Nobody saw that
Shadowblade into shitty shot
Classic combination
Okay, that's hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about the two best teams of the tournament. That's highlight worthy. Yeah, this is high-level Dota
Guess the rank on that one
The thing in this game as well is, I've been talking a lot about this from the perspective of Aurora will be struggling to set up fights, but what I'm thinking they definitely have going for them is by playing this off lane Bristleback, they'll get very fast pipe and crimson.
So perhaps their mindset is going to be, we have this long range damage between Sniper and Hoodwing and Jekiro.
Bristleback will always be frontlining, tanking everything he can, and we're, rather than having to catch the enemy team,
we're just gonna outlast them in fights, and make them fight us by going to force objectives, such as the Tormentor in a minute.
I think, unfortunately for him, the Crimson won't be ready in time for that, but he still has both the Vanguard and the Pipe, so he's still very, very tanky.
Yeah, but when that Viper Strike hits him, not so much.
He's still decently tanky because of how good pipe is this game.
You're blocking a lot of Viper, Beastmaster and Wetzel damage.
Of course, breaking him is a problem, there's no doubt about it.
But for now, I think he can't post on Viper's right.
I'm going to take a Viper strike with Sharpshooter into the trees, attempted TP, the dead shot
just in time.
There's no good credit for that one.
They're going to go to the Tormentor now, surely.
Indeed.
Earth is showing mid, so he can't be near either.
Aurora are already, excuse me, Tundra are already setting up in position on Viper.
And there's the blink for Auri, even more aggression.
We've been seeing the blink into Aether.
Let's keep the ops for that again.
And Tormy and Ari gets rewarded with the shard, so foul play upgrade.
I don't want to watch the rather had the chin one.
Yeah, they've been losing the 50-50s on that pretty consistently.
I don't remember the last time I've seen Whitemon get it.
There are some cool cases for the shaman shaman shard, especially if you have items
like Force, Staff and Glimmer, where when you turn into a chicken you can force yourself
out against Ursa.
But he's not really going that route I think.
We could buy 4 stuff after Dagger, but more than likely we will see the A the lens.
And Pierre pretty soon here will have this Silver Red, so they'll have a second source
of break for the Bristle.
And Beastmaster closing in on X as well.
These timings for Tundra are going to look great.
Are we trying to be cute?
He backs off, but maybe he's still cute.
I think he is.
X, Heroes of the Storm, professional player, Prada G, some would say.
Maybe this guy's as good at games.
Yeah.
Sometimes people are just torn that way.
It'd be funny if he was bad at every other game, than HotSynthota, and this is like
the only genre he can play.
I'm sure there's people like that.
Yeah.
Smoke from Aurora 33 is going to show on the way, pretty damn tanky though, has the vanguard
on the way with a crimson almost finished.
Sharp shooter, get some this.
I'm not going to find a connection here.
Tier 1 still up.
Tundra do a very good job at this in their games.
They are, I'd say, the team that has their tier 1 top tower standing for the longest on
average, if I have to guess, they're using it consistently to give themselves access
to the Tormentor.
Yeah, you saw Kari place his wards just for the wave, so they really want to defend that.
Steve can do that quite a few times throughout this tournament.
Once he gets 15, they will have three breaks before Bristol.
I think you can kind of reserve the Viper Strike for like an Ursa because BKB piercings
slows the shit out of them.
Just any kiting potential against the bear, obviously very effective.
You can see Nightfall recognizing that this is a game where he's going to have to be able
to withstand.
So he's going BKB rather than Basher, we've seen him do both build orders.
They desperately will need a Lotus and or Linkins this game.
It is super value.
Yeah.
Tacks against Roar, against Viper Strike, Jackle, whatever you want to, basically
every spell.
I think the biggest piece of good news here for Roar is that 33 is the lowest
net worth core which tends to not happen a lot in Tundra games. Obviously the two
other cores in their team are doing exceptionally well and especially the
supports. The supports are actually the net worth leads more or less here, Chen and
Shaman, hit by several thousand combined over the enemy supports. But 33 is
mainly in his element when he gets to be almost the centerpiece of the game.
Yeah. In many of the games they play and he doesn't feel like he's on that
level in this one
so
he's been a little bit of his other viper games that this is a similar feel or not
he doesn't play this hero all that much he does not
they smoke up the
mirah showing in the mid lane bzm
as well on the other side of the river
mirah with
wouldn't mind tanking this gank
he gets hacks they even put words down
guess what he wants
what's that? well he gets what he wants so they wouldn't mind tanking the gank
He doesn't even die. He did tank the gank. He's living for now. How is he survived? The trees finally taken out
Oh space created honestly. Yeah, that took way longer than expected and the shaman words dropped because Ari
Maybe thought there was backup behind
Another instance where he uses them for vision
More so than anything. He's trying to get zone control and what is happening with support these days
Is this the brain rot syndrome? Yep
You got serpent water being placed for a bitch you have golems being used on freakin towers come on
Yeah garbage
Gotta change the game if it's the best play and you don't hear the storm players think they can change
Waltz in here change how we play doze. That's right every hero who played war every player who played warlock in this tournament as a
Hots player
Do you ever play that game? Yeah, do you like it? Yeah, not really
They had one map that was cool where you could become a direct the dragon night
Oh, that was kind of cool. They had some interesting mechanics, but I think the execution was quite bad
Aurora smoking up now
Deficit of 8,000 this is continuing to grow for tundra. Ari spotted a close on him. He's dead
Sharp shooter hit, but it's gonna take longer. Okay, he's almost full HP
My goodness the sharp shooter assassinate nothing. It's gonna be enough to take out Ari apparently and now the counter initiation from
the Tundra side they take out WS 50 damn easily easy and shows up with the
shield rune I cannot believe they didn't get him I thought the sharpshooter
breaks foul play was it not did not last long enough maybe didn't last long
enough or didn't hit a ship break it for sure yeah I thought he was gonna be
the instigate is the thing.
What?
I'm...
What?
Wait.
I'm really confused.
Did he get dispelled by something?
I would think Sharpshooter applies the break
before it deals its damage.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Alright, interesting.
And I feel like we've seen that exact mechanic
this turnip, where they just get instigated.
Either way, Tundra will take it,
lead and Roche is up. Honestly just go in there without having a need for another
pick off. The reason I'm unsure about this kill is that for most abilities, I'll say
most, the effect is applied before the damage, but I don't think on every
ability. And maybe if on Sharpshooter it's the other way around, if he overkills
him with Sharpshooter, he takes the damage first and then maybe he just
doesn't get broken because like does this like one frame of dispelling and
They're getting invulnerable and then they use hand of God and save him after but yeah
That was a little bit surprising to me as well. I thought the break would be applied first
Caught a roar off guard completely as well. That's really unfortunate for them
It's gonna cost them Roche and pure is starting to look like an absolute monster
How many games have we seen this guy carry on where to this tournament so far?
Yeah, it's been pretty sick and like most other teams that kind of really rated this hero very much
It's mostly been pure that I've seen running it and I make a bit
Yeah, it's been scattered, but here's definitely been the most consistent in picking it and most assistant with performance has been lost. I
Mean they haven't really lost many games, so it's lost like a handful right and across the group stages
I just don't remember seeing pure losing on where to
Well, he hasn't died well five zero and four right now has the ages they get the roar
They're gonna get the break, they'll even need it. That's an easy kill on the WS on the high ground.
They take out Mira afterwards. Both heroes have no flyback, Roche banner placed, and now this is looking very difficult for the Aurora side.
Thunder though, want to push the mid lane it seems.
They need to get the creeps in.
Ah, yeah.
But, yeah, the banner top will be taken as a result, but, yeah.
Bristol back, just not tank you when you get that clean of his head up.
Bash comes in from Nightfall, but there's the pierced avail.
Forcing knife all the way, Lornaf has been assassinated, there's still this second life on pure.
Going to get four staffed and no need to risk it.
Three and a half minutes on Aegis can just play it, chill mode.
That's a decent hold from Aurora though, doing that with just the two heroes, that's pretty clever.
Forcing that out.
But still, you have not...
But the loot still grows.
Yeah, you've not really accomplished anything that progresses your game.
And the issue as you pointed out Bristol back dies in the in no time at this point
Yeah, I'd like this short moment of opportunity where I thought the hero could be coming quite useful
But all this year. All right, they're gonna get my number one nice smoke yank from Aurora
But you see the channel on the shackle from very far away as the roar comes in from PZM focusing the support to heroes
Dad appears to veiled just in time for pure as he turns his sight on the rest of Aurora
They get one he finally falls but at what cost exactly Jen actually dies as WS
WS now on the run, BZM though, they get the hack, on to Nightfall, he gets his ult off,
but dies shortly after, and ultrakill for the Beastmaster, and WS now running for his life,
the last member alive for Aurora.
He can't take the gate 33 as Yule's man, they show up again, they get the hack, and
BZM desperately wants the rampage, and he'll get it!
You can see his excitement, he's out of control this man!
guy gets a rampage every game. He is not impressed by himself anymore. Nothing.
Let's push guys, they got a rampage. That's a BZM real voice of course, good impersonation.
Now the lead balloons to 14k. First death of nightfall this game.
I mean it would have gone, honestly, the ages helped a lot. They had burned through
that this quickly and Aurora would have been in a pretty decent spot to fight
here. Look at this Aether Lenshackle, that was saying. Barely gets Pierce the Veil off,
which ends up dying anyway, but still a lot of damage done in this old form. Yeah, BZM
is the one that was kind of ignored. At this point in the game, it's hard to, you're
going to put everything onto the, where to that means Beastmaster's going to have
a lot of
don't want to hear it's the best of five years like this morning
here is the form players
to shackling me
tormentor taken thirty-three it starts now that's calling should have been
shattered shaman up now he gets to experience the whole same thing again
well let's see if his face is any different here
yet there we go that is
of course the
he's really good at replicating that reaction
impressive what this game is feeling right right now for Aurora yeah it feels
like every single fight you can play that camera shot and it will feel
appropriate Aurora having one single fight all game yeah just none it's been
tundra through and through in every single situation and I think it's just
parodist at this point that Aurora strap just didn't work the way it was
meant to and now you're playing plan F I think wow you're going through the
out of that. BCD and E are already through. This is whatever you have left in the tank
kind of strategy. Bristleback has had almost zero impact against these multiple breaks.
There was a short moment of opportunity, maybe could have done something, didn't really
get to do it. Now it's borderline impossible. Shaman breaks you, Viper breaks you, Warsaw
breaks you. And on top of all of that, your hero is feeling a lot of spread damage
with quills that they actually can outlast quite well, where to can ignore the damage.
Chen has armor from the Vlad's and Divine Favor and Hand of God Heal of course.
Viper has bought Eul's, which makes your hero even worse. It's also good against Ursa.
And Beastmaster has the Shoe Vest, so he has 30 armor to start. So like,
just a very tough game for Aurora theoretically from this point out. Also because like,
let's say 80% of their damage is physical. So armor items are gonna feel
Exceptionally high value and if you're thunder you should buy every single one
You should get AC on Chen next probably hasn't queued it up yet
But we know that Chen's are willing to buy that item for the team indeed and yeah, he just should
Did he buy shard yet? No, he's wow
Because he lost the 50 50 again. Probably yeah, that's true
I mean the ancient creeps do make quite a bit difference in these bushes pure. They're gonna ride it here
get that
Reaction again. Let's click from here up
That's a tough one. Yeah
tough one
Yeah, I
Mean the channel in general has looked really good, but I am genuinely surprised they don't
Prioritize the shard more am I over raving this thing? I don't think you are think it's really really good
I mean, I'd like to get it off the tormenter, right?
I'm okay with not buying it before a minute 20 to see if you get it for free
But I think if you don't and when you finish your first item, I personally think buying the shard after that is just worth it
He has Greaves, Force Staff, and Blads
Surely the Ancient Creep is better than a Blads, no?
19% HP aura, for example
Plus the high ground's been a bit difficult. It has a lot of spam, Kaori with the macro player constantly being used, the Ancient Creeps feel like they will
will shrug that off a bit.
Yeah.
Dragon aura would be great here for the armor, for your teammates, against all this physical
damage.
I mean that's basically Vlad, right?
It's the ancient armor, or the ancient dragon, rather.
Yeah, so Vlad, I mean the thing about Vlad versus the ancients is of course the damage
aura which you can't really replicate with them.
The lifesteal is useless for you.
So you're giving 18%-
You can get the wolf though.
I mean, you can get- yeah, you already have that.
Yeah, there you go.
I mean 20% likes to know how good is that here versus the ancient creeps. I don't know it's
That aura is obviously completely useless for yourself, but it's good for your team. All right, we can shut up now. He's buying it. Thank you
Thank you white mom. Let's go white mom
All right, let's go white mom
Which creeps do you want to the crown goes wild which creeps do you want to get?
So obviously golem. I mean golem is my favorite. Yeah, it's just the best because you don't have to push any buttons
either. I just think it's the best value creep there is later in the game. I would say Golem
and then maybe the Time Warp creep for... The thing I love that is people being able to micro
the prowler as there's the break, there's the roar, there's the kill. WS dead to right
70 seconds. No buyback. Oh, that's early. Here's the veil, interesting. You're scared
of dying getting caught in that bushwack. It has to be wary about the Ursa, but
Nightfall.
Ursula's going to White Mon.
Fighting Chen.
Get Hax though, gets Ward Trap.
White Mon was a trap.
Full shackle into another roar.
Death for Nightfall.
He does have buyback here, but if you
have to expend this to defend, then
might as well just call it GG.
Yeah, that's some bad news trainers right there.
When you can't kill the Chen.
I mean, to be fair, in normal games, Chen is quite
farmed, right?
Yeah.
He's matching your offlaner effectively.
I mean, is there a better support at farming, Benchen?
As Ari will pop the linkins, he gets vision of the sniper, nobody really that close until
VZM TP's in, gets the blink, Hex will secure the kill again, and no buyback for Lornoff.
Another macro pirate to try and delay, but this is looking like multiple set of barracks
for Tundra.
Should be bare minimum one without sniper, there's just no command.
Okay.
That was a question. It wasn't rhetorical. 33.
So you thought that was a fun, but not the bad news bears?
Well, that one was weak though.
Oh. Okay.
Not sure how you decide the strength of that, but...
Fortification.
33 can just work on this bear. It's alone.
Here we'll eventually show up.
We're showing a lot of respect for Aurora's potential here.
Yeah, we really are.
I mean, Nightfall's coming back. They don't know about the no buyback status for the Sniper. If they did, they would fully commit here for sure.
I suppose with Roshan being up, you know what, I like this play. When Roshan's up, go for that, and then just go push again.
This is effectively removing the risk that if you fail your high ground, the enemy team gets a true comeback.
You can just take this, and then if you were to lose a fight in their base.
First of all, it's a 6v5 now. Arguably almost 7v5 with the cheese.
And if you fail, what's it going to cost you?
There's so little that can go the way of the radiant.
Oh, a diffusel for Beastian. Is this a Lincoln's Popper?
Yeah. It's been decently popular in this tournament as the Lincoln's Break of Choice for Beast.
Against the sniper, he wants to be able to jump him himself.
and a force Aurora back in their base, back where they came from here, waiting for somebody
to flip up. Pages for pure, so he will, theoretically has been the person that should be pushing
the high ground, but now that they have the short on Viper they have two choices. BZM.
Ooh, alright. Nightfall.
It's greedy, greedy boy.
Oh no.
Oh, okay.
Who's afraid of who right now? You're up 26k.
Ari thought that was a full team move.
It's just nightfall being nightfall.
BZM jumps in all alone. Of course that's the place somehow.
BZM gets shredded because Lornaf has a divine rapier.
Alright, shit just got real for tundra.
A trade off for the Bristle mid, Muerta and Viper kill WS easily, but yeah, I love this
rapier purchase.
You're just recognizing the state of the game, and now you're surely going to buy some big
crits as well after.
If you want to win this game, Lornav has to do a bajillion damage, because you're
playing with two cores.
This Bristle is useless.
Well, he's going shard into dragonlance, actually, so no crit.
I don't know if that's not, I feel like that's not ambitious enough, actually.
I understand the value of the Lance, of course, into Pike here, but...
I feel like, regardless, this is a one-fight game, right? If you lose a single fight, it's over.
So...
My eyes, the angle should be, how can I do the absolute most burst damage, so the enemy team doesn't get to play their heroes?
Yeah, like, just let the kill on these monsters quite good.
Yeah, I'll buy them some time if nothing else.
Absolutely.
He's gonna burn another 30 seconds off the Aegis, so basically 2 minutes to work with.
I'm sure we'll TP out, so Aurora won't be able to find anything.
Yeah.
Is he gonna threaten Nightfall here?
He's gonna try, gets the silence off, dead shot into another Thylast.
Oh, nicely executed, awesome.
Beautifully done.
90 seconds to no buyback this time though for nightfall. He's what did he purchase?
Abyssal. Yeah, he finished the abyssal. That's an understandable tip from PZM. That was just beautiful from here
The deadshot angle there is it's not that easy to find
and yeah
Nightfall probably kicking himself a bit that he didn't use something defensive after getting opened upon obviously here
You can use and rage
As you get out of the sounds, didn't even know I didn't even have a chance now
And so it's the perfect later actually fully perfectly layered
I thought there was a moment of opportunity, but no the BKB on cooldown
No way out of that one
beautiful
And now as you said probably with him without buyback high ground surely you want staying for tundra
Why I'm not only with one agent right now
Is that the one with congregations of defeat? Sure.
Tempting the high ground push. Another minute on the Aegis.
There's the Hex from Ari gets the Ward Trap as well.
Will they have the right-click damage to take out Mira? No, not yet at least. 33 with the Crimson Guard.
Meanwhile, she were actually focusing on the Bristol-backed Solos hand.
Gracious me. Alright, that's life number one. The Hex from Ari. They're not going to commit any further, it seems. 33.
Actually gonna exit completely pure with the runaway tactics has to use his ult with the BKB
Lornoff just doing so much damage with that divine they buy back on the jikiro
Barry trying to lead the way with Mira in tow
White long gets A toast
Bushwack not gonna hit good force back pure
We're gonna reinitiate though he gets the right click on the Mira not enough to get the kill
But now they're gonna turn this around on to 9-file potential
Positive BKB and the enrage
BZM already used his BKB
He's gonna have the refresher though
If he resets here the hand of God used Lornoff
He gets hacked, he gets roared, they want this divine rapier!
Sheba's pops him and he's dead!
Lornaf down and out for 80 seconds and now Pure has the divine.
GG is called Tundra, take game one.
Alright, well, that was not even a remotely close game,
from basically start to finish, but...
They made it interesting at the end, a little bit.
A little bit, I mean they did what they could out of desperation, but...
The main thing I'm looking for in games like this is Aurora finding any victories, right?
It's one thing to keep making it interesting in the end, but...
This is probably Mira's worst scoreline this tournament. 1 and 16 on Hoodwink in 42 minutes. Quite spectacular display.
And WS07 and 3 did nothing on the Bristleback at all this game.
And that one, it makes more sense to me because of the enemy.
Look at his damage! That's a bristle! 5!
Oh my god.
He did 60% of Shed and Sting.
That is what getting a hard counter looks like.
That is indeed what it looks like.
This is not a player issue. I just think, you know, when you look at it and you go into detail,
he got thrown to the wolves this game graph wise.
Bad lane matchups, bad core matchups, bad support matchups.
Yeah.
Nothing, so Aurora will definitely be able to show a better show than us in the next games
There's no doubt about it.
Time to take game one easily
Yes, they do it was it was actually for a moment
It looked like or could do it with the raper play, but in the end Jenkins the boys at the fall
Yeah, I mean they tried we had some issues with the draft
If definitely came into play in that game WS had no game
I feel like we didn't even talk about that one too much like the Viper pick was
Very strong later on in the draft from tundra
Lornoff takes the sniper to try to counteract this and it's just 33 offline Viper and he did fine. He did completely fine
We saw nightfall trying to run at the Beastmaster
in the mid-game and you know maybe they're trying to take Roche eventually off of a one fight like you were saying Mira
But like none of it really worked out
So I feel like they're probably just gonna go back to the drawing board on the draft first picker. So it just does not look
That great this is looking like normal to me from Tundra. They just played normal Dota and one
Yeah
The thing is the drawing board that you're mentioning is quite hard because with Tundra
very much pick your poison situation with their first pick heroes. If you give away these master,
it's really hard to draft against that. If you give away SF, very hard to draft against that.
If you give away Batrider or Largo, you're also getting into a lot of trouble. So Tundra have
really posed themselves as a drafting monster in this tournament.
Yep, they really have. It wasn't all about the draft, I think, Ysaini. I feel like Ursa,
Sorry, Tundra, when we heard BZM talk about their style of play yesterday, he said, yeah,
we learned to play a boring style of Dota, just farm away. I feel like they did that very, very
solidly. They didn't let Aurora do much on the map in the first 20 minutes.
Yeah, so they have some big advantages in terms of like how their supports play out.
Like Chen will just be hitting creeps. They have Beastmaster who's farming stocks,
Viper who's just shoving waves immediately. And they really lean into those things.
They like allowed me to get picked off a few times on the bottom lane, but during all of that
There's all farming and we don't even talk about here for the first like 20 minutes because he's just getting omega fat and his own corner
Of the map, but you don't even think about him and this is like what tundra does best when they're allowed to play map and they're
Out to split up and they're out to farm they tend to shine and I thought like
Lornoff kind of has a similar playstyle and that or might be able to match it
But it seems like that was not the case especially with the hero much lips that they had in the scheme
Yeah purge during the draft you already said like they got too many things too many heroes that are carry like heroes they need to
Wait, they need to farm so they can't do things so they can't stop tundra from farming
I mean they definitely tried to use their heroes in that way
And I've clip examples of that actually very similar to what Eden said about them trying to get things done them trying to kill
Tundra heroes, but what happened afterwards is tundra was just hitting creep
So in all of these I want you to glance every time at the network advantage at the top because it's not really gonna change very much
I mean Oro is trying to get pressure here. They're ganking 33 under the tower. It's 8 minutes
And there's 2,000 gold advance which is quite a lot at this point
And they do succeed in getting the skill and this does change the net worth a little bit
But a minute later the net worth is back up again
So they again try to invade because they know they need to get things done with their non-standard heroes
But this one kind of just gets shut down with the serpent wards with the heels
They end up defending this shutting this down. That means that their net worth is gonna keep climbing here
Here's another gank that they're going for it. It's a good attempt. They try to kill Viper
He backs up. They try to counteract this they're gonna end up catching Kira
I believe actually and the flowing things so they get both supports on their spawns
This is the hard thing they know they have to get something done
But if they aren't successful and they get punished then it starts getting really bad which is kind of how the game continued
They're still trying to get things done 5k 8k behind now at 25 minutes
This one was amazing great counterheels by white lawn
They're gonna drop the hex in the break on bristleback so he's gonna be able to be picked up on the response
They have to do something. They're trying. They're setting up ganks. They're getting on top of their opponents
But they're not so successful that they're counteracting the farm that Tundra was doing. So Tundra just keeps staying ahead
It's the nature of their heroes, right? That doesn't really allow those moves to turn into anything because you see a jacquera and hoodwink moving by themselves
But can they do really they they're the type of supports that are layering supports
They exist to enable cores that can go in first
fun and then they can chain the damage and chain the stuns on top of that and
then you can get kills. If these two heroes are trying to play by themselves
because they have bristleback cores and sniper cores and ursa cores, there's
really not that much they can do. Not set up for success at all here in the draft.
So if we take a look at the draft jankers over the last big sniper, could
they have fixed it at that point? Like was there a way or at that point do
you feel like tundra already you know kind of outdrafted them? Like was it
I saw it salvageable at the end.
I think so.
I mean, maybe they could just like pick some storm
and run at them like they normally do.
I mean, Nightfall was throwing up to fights.
There was like a couple, maybe one time we saw him
kill Beastmaster, one time we saw him
almost kill Beastmaster.
Like imagine if he doesn't have a sniper
when he's doing that.
I mean, going all the way back,
I really think like first pick Ursa is a,
that's a gambit that you're taking.
And in this case, the gambit did not pay off.
So, maybe they do it again with a different last pick.
It's probably more likely they just chopped that up to like,
okay, that gambit didn't work out.
Let's pick more of a normal draft.
But I don't know, what do you guys think?
Like, I feel like Storm could have been more normal.
I could see that.
I could also see the Bristleback just being swapped entirely.
I feel like if we had a standard offlaner on WS,
that could, you know, stampede in by a blink dagger,
eventually, for example, play with them,
give them that added stun instead of just sitting in the triangle and farm.
It would have been a problem in meta, we're gonna find out what's gonna change.
Maybe even the pick order alone will be enough for Tundra to strike back here.
Before we go into a quick break though, we are gonna see how some of our talent came to
grips with Largo.
What's up gang?
What are you up to?
I'm trying to get a grip on Largo.
I felt like since he was headed to captain's mode I should learn how to play him.
I mean, I've played quite a bit recently.
Why don't I help you out?
Sure. Yeah.
All right then.
Amphibian Rhapsody, getting ready for a team fight?
Jenkins, just do your best.
Five, six, sand.
Let's, uh, let's hear some Island Elixir.
Little trouble there.
Let's, uh, let's pick it up with a hot feet hustle.
Five, six, sand.
Not quite Largo's tempo.
It's all good, no worries.
Let's take it again.
Five, six, sand.
That's bullbelly blitz.
I asked for a hot feed hustle.
Sorry.
It's all good, no worries.
Let's try it again.
Five, six, sand.
What do you suppose they just smashed the Pogchampana's guitar, Jenkins?
I don't know.
Sure you do.
But I hit every note.
What song were you playing?
I'm not sure.
Start all day.
Q, Q, Q.
Hot feet hustle, dammit!
Look at me!
E, E, E, E.
W, W, W, W. Now what song was I playing?
Hot feet hustle.
You know the hotkeys!
I swear to God Jenkins, if you deliberately grief my teamfight, I will fuck you like
a poogie.
Now are we healing?
Are we fighting?
Or are you going to play the right fucking song?
I'm going to play the right song.
What does that say?
Grant's bonus move speed and slow resistance to allies and irradiates.
Count me a hot feed, hustle.
Wwwwwwwwwwww.
Huck gang of hell!
I didn't know you could buy accounts in real life.
Am I to understand that you can't even press buttons?
Can you even read tooltips?
What is that?
Catchy lick.
Yes, what is that?
Frog snog.
Now answer my question.
What song were you playing?
Answer!
Full belly blitz.
You look upset.
Are you upset?
No.
So you just don't give a shit about the game?
I do give a shit.
So you are upset then?
Yes or fucking no?
Say it.
I'm upset.
Say it so the whole team can hear you.
I'm upset.
All shat-ins!
I'm upset!
Insane of takeover, Jenkins.
Spend less time reviewing heralds.
You may be watching a mortal game for once in your life.
All right, gang.
Aghanim Scepter Upgrade.
Island Elixir and Hot-Feed Hustle.
Uh, um, I'm using Legacy Hawkeyes, by the way.
Of course you are.
I was really resenting you on that one.
HAHAHAHAHA
And when I wake up I wonder what
Now it feels the way it used to be
I don't know what will happen
I'm changing, I'm changing like a change
And when I wake up I wonder what
Welcome to the place where I live
Oh, they say it's so hard to find
If someone's special
The world keeps spinning around
With all the love that's gone
Every morning around one
Baby, I wonder why
Don't leave me, it's the break, it's too late
No, no, no, never leave me
Change, change, change, change
It's all right, change, change, change
It's too late, change, change, change
Waiting too far for you tonight
Welcome back, you are watching the new season 28, and this is our final series, our grand
finals with Tundra 1 game up against Aurora.
going to find out if a war has an answer to what Tundra has been doing and we're going
to find out if the drafty order has a big impact in this particular draft as it's sometimes
in some of the series we've seen has a very big impact.
We have a lot of heroes right now, purge, that everybody wants to play because they're
just that good.
That's true but there's only so many bands in the game and there are certainly like
four-ish outliers who are probably just a step above all those other ones so some
teams are letting like one or two through, they're not necessarily letting a ton through
But there's also these heroes that are like a step down
But the teams are so comfortable with them that you have to like raise their priority to be about the same as those
Opie heroes so I would be surprised if we see someone like an SF or a
Batrider at least once in the series not SF to that one. You're gonna try stuff. It's just not working. I mean, I agree. I think a
Tundra
really enjoys first pick as we've seen
Four hero bands for Aurora was not enough because they have five overpowered heroes.
So I think Aurora wants to snag that first pick if they can.
Pick your poison.
Maybe get a trade.
Insanity, if you have a poison you would let through here if you are Tundra and if indeed
the pick order is flipped it means that Aurora has first pick.
You got four bands.
I mean I think the interesting thing is that Tundra kind of cracked that problem yesterday
right against Liquid and I think that's what made them like why they are so scary
now on this final because they can now draft on both sides. For a long time in a descent
it was only first pick and now they seem to have answers to all the broken heroes. They
were giving up S.F. potentially yesterday, they were giving up Bat. So they're saying
like we're not afraid of these heroes, we can play an open draft and you have to ban
all of our stuff or we will crush you. So if they can do it against Aurora again today
I think that's like a big advantage. Which one they'll let through, I don't know but
it seems like yesterday was Bat and S.F. and they were happy to play that match
up either way so maybe it's the same one again.
So what if they're going to use bands for later picks in the draft, who is it that they target?
Because if they're leaving an open draft it means they have extra bands.
Is it Lornoff? Did they try to take Lornoff heroes out?
They banned Abarón, Lusky.
So I think Abarón or Slut, it could be like Nightfall or anything.
I think it could almost likely just be Nightfall heroes.
Yeah.
Yeah, maybe the first phase ban, the Ursel though.
Unless they leave it. Maybe that game just now made it so that they won't.
Unless they leave SF in as the open draft, because then I feel like Nightfall will just take SF.
So if SF is banned, then they can ban the Nightfall heroes as well as SF.
Leave the Batrider, maybe Larva or something like that.
Yeah, maybe, but I also think that,
instead of looking at what they're going to do versus Tundra,
they look at what they can do for themselves,
because the Tri-Quer that they picked did not do them any favors.
All of them were farm-dependent heroes who couldn't go skirmish early.
And when you're playing against Tundra, you know that at some point,
will be moving into their triangle trying to take the socks away from them
because this is how it's under plays and they did that and it was just a stalemate
they had like a sniper standing at a distance and a viper standing at a distance
and everybody was range and nobody could really commit and go in so they ended
up walking away from the socks on Aurora and giving them away so let one of
your cores at the very least be able to help you there. Yeah a little bit
more of a frontliner I guess normally you get that a little bit out of
your off-liner but the perspective doesn't really do the similar job
needs a little bit more item for you can do that. Let's take a look at what's coming. Aurora will indeed be first pick.
They ban out Tree and Beast, Master Bat, and the Shadow Fiend. Four now still in the pool, just like...
Largo, SF.
Yeah, and also compared to previous game, the Shadow Demon and the Bat.
Okay.
Ooh, it's different altogether.
Yeah, so I mean, if I were Aurora, I would take the SF trade
into Largo. Like, I understand Largo is some insane beast once he gets to the Agatham Scepter.
Don't get me wrong.
33 to 17. That's a big win rate right there.
I really feel like one of the few heroes in the game that can out DPS, a Lardo, heal in a teamfight is just SF.
You just go on him with minus armor, one stun, maybe some sort of setup for Requiem.
I think having a good initiator really helps in that case as well, because if you can catch him when he isn't armor-amped up with a song,
it's a kind of a game changer because it's so much armor that he gets from it.
Or if you can also just hit him with a silence or something and he can't play a song for long enough,
Then that might give you chance to reset the armor stacked and then he's very vulnerable
It's actually doesn't buy that many armor right now in the hero
I mean if they were considering
Enabling this SF even further with us Florida versus the Largo. I think that'd be a really good solution. Yeah, that's nice
I don't particularly see SF himself as a solution to Tundra's Largo though
Because when they pick Largo that also enables them to pick Caudal
which then enables them to pick Ember or Tiny like they love to pair up Caudal with Largo plus one hero from mid and
And 33's game just becomes so much easier when he has this Caudal stacking for him, giving him mana, he can level up his ulti earlier.
I think the one Caudal game that they lost was actually with Largo, but no Ember and Tiny, and Ember's out, so if Aurora can get themselves Tiny,
then they can let Tundra pick Caudal and just play against it without the broken combos.
I think it was like Caudal DK they ran or something like that, just didn't look as good.
Which is perfect for them anyways, because they have SF, they can play Tiny SF that's already making their SF look way stronger.
They have picked right now, we should go to Tundra.
It goes to Tundra, they get to ban one hero as well.
Okay, so...
And then Tundra picks.
And then Tundra will, I would imagine they would pick the tiny now if they're planning
to...
Unless we're ban it here, there's one more ban coming.
I can only imagine that we're having similar conversations to us.
Yeah, maybe they're...
Maybe a couple steps ahead even.
Maybe they're hoping that it just goes through and that they somehow get tiny
against that
I mean they've kind of moved away from the Kotl combos a bit right on Tundra
I think in their last two series they haven't really played it
So I don't know if there's been like some scrims
and you play some games and you lose confidence in it kind of quickly
because it looks like 100% win rate toss
but you never know what's left with the scrim data
what it actually is in practice
How often is that likely to change during a tournament
a combo that you're winning with mid tournament
you suddenly start losing scrims with
It can happen
I think it really depends on like the team's confidence level
team's confidence level because like sometimes you're winning a lot of games
but the games don't feel that nice to play and even though like you're winning
every game you keep thinking like this isn't really that solid or if they just
did this one or two things differently then we wouldn't be in the position that
we're in now so once that cracks pretty quickly you want to move away from it
but it's still another support they removed we did see like one was Chen in
that previous game won't have the chance to start around I would like to
further elaborate just on how important it is to play for Tundra stacks because Tundra
actually have the highest stacks per match out of any team at this tournament by far
and they're averaging 20 stacks per match whereas Aurora is averaging like 12th and
the total tournament average was around 13th and they're just getting all of their net worth
leads with these stacks and we saw them come into play last game we're going to
see them come into play this game for the lago so you do really need something
on Lorna from mid to move into that triangle early on.
Let's see if they can find it. We got ourselves a Jekiro.
Safe pick coming out for Tundra. Doesn't really give anything away.
Can't go wrong with it.
I was Phoenix against Largo. I feel like a tiny Phoenix here would just be very solid.
Isn't it kind of...
Warlock's in the pool, I'll get my bad.
I feel slightly negative because you can get away from the Agilad easier.
Yeah, yeah.
I didn't realize Warlock was still in the pool for KRI, so I'm like, what's the one other ranged hero he can play with, Tiny?
Yeah, also the healing sustain on the movement speed, like Kevin said, it's like the combo of those two things against Egg is like everything you want.
So I would really want to play it, you also have the spell for the Fire Spirit, which is, I think, the big reason why he's not asking for Largo.
Oh, they get the Shadow Shaman themselves. A little bit of a steal there, too.
Gives them the lockdown that they would need at some point to kill Largo if they catch him.
Hex would stop them from casting his spells.
The shackle, it also keeps them much slower at a lower movement speed, so I feel like this is a good hero.
To help guarantee Largo kills when you catch him.
It seems to be the trick to beating the hero, right?
That you can kind of lock him down and then just burst him with some sort of damage.
So, Rasta SF seems kind of good.
You have the lockdown, you have the damage.
Yeah, you do not take long fights against Largo.
That's not a winning battle.
I think it's quite nice against Warlock. Warlock isn't really like the most pressure heavy hero, plus he's kind of slow and you're kind of fast, so if you want to pull waves you can even do that as caudal, even though you're a ranged hero.
hero and you have a pretty easy time like stacking up your triangle, when it doesn't really chase you
into the triangle and like block camps, that's not really how he's, he doesn't play to his strength
if he's doing that. He also pushes out the wave, which is kind of gives you more space to run around
and do other stuff. I mean this is one of the few games that like Huskar still left in, is it
something you can 18 pick? It's surely getting banned after this point. They go for Storm instead.
I mean it would have given them potential beat up Tiny really hard in the mid lane, but I feel like it's slightly redundant with Shadowfiend
And that's like a guy that does a lot of right click damage
I think Storm is going to be way better for initiating and starting fights and layering damage
It felt like they lacked this exact thing in the last game too. Yeah, so I feel like this makes a lot of sense
I mean it's interesting when we had the Nishel in the interview
He said if Thunder worked his Tiny Coddle him he would hoskurt. He doesn't care about Draft integrity
doesn't care about anything you would just toss card and make sure that this tiny isn't a hero
And I feel like in the last game they try to do that with a sniper against the viper
And I'm not sure if we like that
But in this game they're like adjusting based on what happened in last game and they're picking a tempo mid
Which is actually not that good of a matchup into the tiny
So I feel like they're doing like the opposite of what they did last night. Yeah
Yeah playing for their own game, which I think makes sense like it didn't
The last game didn't feel like an accurate representation of the skill of Aurora as a team currently, so like this is just more normal. They get to play Dota.
I like this more to be in here. It's going to mean that Tundra doesn't have a carry that can just stop SF damage for 7 to 9 seconds.
Just on the previous fight, I also think that Aurora have this read on Huskar that these drafts don't work against Tundra because they actually played Huskar and Lorna versus Museum Tiny before
And then Tundra won that game pretty heftily.
Like it was very convincing.
Yeah, BCM was very huge in that game actually.
Did not spar with that much in laning phase.
It's probably a big reason why they go back to the tiny right.
Even though they didn't dare to do it against Liquid,
they'll do it against Aurora,
because they're not afraid of the huskies.
They feel like they can handle it.
Well it looks like on the side of Aurora we need our off-liners.
So WS has his Timbersaw already removed from the pool.
Tundra looking for Hero for Pure, most likely.
Any flex potential on either side?
But I'm overlooking don't really think so. I think the heroes are quite locked into their positions
I mean for here. I think like one of the heroes that looks
That it can actually like beat an SF in terms of damage is Kez
there's
Pretty good locked down for Kez between the Shadow Shaman and the storm
So maybe that's dissuading it a little bit, but that that has been an answer to SF
It's something that could definitely come out if because they're going to see the offline pick from Aurora
And that's when tundra fake a drug. Oh, I can beat up the self-inner on lane. I'll take this here
Otherwise they wouldn't go for the cast I think unless they thought the lane was a great match
They've been out there to themselves. Well, I like because I think they can also be more flexible with the carries
They pick because I have the logo like a log
Any flex potential so that Aurora picks case
The nine pick self-sabotage, does this ever happen, Aiden, for the first time in the tournament?
The only guy I can think of is when we played as nine class names like TA-4 against us to make their draft letter, that happened once.
But I would say that's probably the only time in my however many thousand Dota games that I've ever seen it happen, so how do they unlikely?
I like this pick a lot. Anti-Killinians, Largo is excellent, you can't cast, you're a little strumming,
so not only do you not heal, you can't impress the button to heal your teammates or make you run faster.
And you can do... Kez!
Well, I'm thinking about the Purge, not you Purge, but I do think about you a lot,
but the Purge and lane against Kez's damage over time, like if you can get that creep, Kez is not much of a threat.
I think it's absolutely decent.
It's not Kez!
Interesting.
Yeah, that is.
That's a TA.
Quite the 180.
So what do we make of this TA? Do we like it? Do we know?
I like it quite a bit actually for pure. This is one of his better tempo heroes to play from that safe lane
I think it'll hit very strong timings versus the SF team as well
Like I know that the matchup changed over time and now SF does super well in it
But when pure plays his hero he can play very aggressive build and they can play for that Aegis
Which seems very valuable that you look at over his draft and they play for a slower Aegis timing
Yeah, I asked two things for me in this draft
I feel like we talked about it. I think Kevin mentioned that on day one, like how do we beat Largo and this is just doom them?
And they have that going for them on Aurora, but I do feel like Thundra's draft as a whole just comes together a lot more nicely
And if they come online, I think it'll be quite a similar story to last game. I
Think the TA is a it's an interesting pick. It's definitely
Underrated if it's not like bad enough that we've barely seen it this tournament. It's definitely good
and especially on pure and I think the tempo that the panel is mentioning is definitely
definitely something important but it's not like it's a free TA game by any means like Shadow Shaman
for example I think the wards plus hex like TA can die it's not one of these like over fraction
there's no counter to it but I don't really think that's how people are playing around TA anyway so
I like the pick I think he's less worried about getting doomed than a lot of other carries would
be because he's gonna have Largo back in while he's gonna move in speeds slow slow resistance
He just needs to be able to crush the front line of the Aurora side, and it's basically like Warlock Golem and Doom.
And once he gets past that front line, it's like all squishies.
Yeah, to those points, if TA does die a few times online, it looks like a really hard game for Tundra actually,
because then they have to fall back into the Trinalon farm, and suddenly their carry isn't active,
and they've got the Storm Spirit running around with the supports, it can get scary pretty quickly.
Because we feel that at least this game, and this time around, Aurora, when they're making the moves that they also did in Game 1,
where it didn't really go that well,
This time they have more oomph, more power in the tank to be more active and successfully, so hopefully for them
We're gonna find out how successful they'll be in this game number two. It is over to Sansfant and Cinder
Game 2! Staying alive here, Cinder and Sunspan here, along with Cinderman Aurora vs Tundra.
Game 2, Tundra. Taking Game 1 pretty easily, have to say. They are definitely rolling right now.
After, I feel like earlier in the tournament, had a few missteps, got off to a slow start.
start. Oh, missteps. He's going to be spotted very early. It's going to be a shackle. He gets
off the refraction though. They're going to harass him out, but he will live. I wonder
if they can catch up there. That was a very early shackle from Mira. It almost looked like
he forgot he had chicken fingers. Overlapped his stuns, but it didn't really matter.
Nobody was near except the SS, so it wasn't going to lead to a kill. Now, there's
There's a lot of things to unpack here, obviously for Tundra they have looked exceptionally good
when they've had their hands on Caudal Tiny, I think this duo is just perfect for their
team, how they play and what they're trying to do in the game.
Oh interesting stuff here bottom by the way, let's get to that moment.
So that's good for them.
The last pick TA I think is an excellent choice, this game should be an easy lane
into Doom, you're one of the few heroes that can stand up to Shadowfiend in the
current patch, he does ridiculous damage where you can block a lot of the instances
to the fraction, and is a pure signature hero, so he's probably going to feel very confident
on it.
Does that mean Aurora will go that way?
Or Ryklik does it, Ari gets first blood, so Tundra on the board.
How is it Ari does this?
He killed J'Kyro as Caudal the other day when we watched as well.
I mean there was definitely some Largo interaction in that one, but I'm surprised they find
these kills as well as they do.
You're the 17th death of the series so far.
Nice.
Oh, nice.
Tongue licking from 33, playing the Largo.
We saw him...
I think our first cast on Largo actually was his and he lost horribly.
But then, ever since, he learned how to play it, I guess, and I think he's gone basically
undefeated in the cast that we've had at least.
Yeah, I think that game was a bit of a misunderstanding in terms of how to utilize your team movements
when you have the hero.
He ended up playing very separated, but now in the later Largo games they've
They've played very structured in the mid game, good blind, oh the shackle actually went on the crepe from Mira that's unfortunate.
Intended.
For the side of Aurora, they're playing some of their best heroes of the tournament so there's also something to be excited about for them.
They've got the Storm Spirit on Lornoff and of course Nightfall on his shadow fiends, looked some of the best on this one.
I can't say I've seen his SF played against the TA, so I'm curious how that is going to work out.
Big damage on him by the way.
with the lick. Always a good combo here. And with the caudal, and eventually get the
croak of genius. How do you like that interaction?
You just mean the monoclast reduction in general?
Nah.
Yeah, you have a ton of spells. Largo loves playing with caudal for sure. You can just
keep spamming your spells and farm faster, etc. And of course you want to put both
croak and chakra magic on tiny once you get to the mid game for those massive bursts.
Now, there was a little detail earlier in this lane that I didn't get to talk about that.
I'm interested in why Tundra chose to do it this way.
When they were body blocking the first wave of the radiant,
they actually killed the range creep in the bot wave.
So a little bit of a detail that I feel like we don't see all that often.
And that, of course, allowed them to push into the tower
because their creep wave has advantage.
And now then it followed, as a result, followed up by pushing into them.
We did watch Aurora do the exact same thing on top.
Oh, they both, both teams did this exact game?
They actually kill two creeps, the range and I mean they have devour obviously making it a little bit easier
But they kill the range creep with bright clicks. Yeah
So obviously you what you're trying to do with your offlaners is to get the wave to not be close to the enemy tower
Because it's such an inherently safe lane or favored patch and position
So if you can somehow just just disrupt that equilibrium immediately
One such way is to either block the creep wave of the enemy team so much that your wave pushes into tower
then they're gonna push into you or you can kill one of the creeps of the way
which means you will push regardless right of the quality of your block and
yeah as you said so it turns out both teams are am I am I wrong saying we
haven't seen that much and now we've seen it twice in the same game yeah I
think teams haven't been doing that I don't remember seeing it so far in our
cast of course I'm the idiot of the two of us so didn't have to say that
Of course I agree
One thing I didn't want to bring up is
They talked about it a bit in the the draft panel, but obviously as the tournament goes on
As this grand final comes to you the best of five is we're seeing a couple raises reserved for 33
these big bad
Seemingly impossible to beat heroes kind of have to get through at a certain point and we're seeing one on each side with the
Shadowfiend and Largo respectively. I think I already know the answer to this question.
Your opinion as you're going to hold that thought, Lorna, getting ganked, Avalanche is there with a
dual breath from white on. He's going to take a tumble, Kaori, a little bit late to the party though.
So 2-0 start for Tungra. But back to my thought. Between the two of them, who would you rather
have on your team right now? Largo. Yeah, I know. I know. But I understand that it's not a
simple equation, so to speak. I just think there's something about the quality of counter-fix.
I think that's where the issue is, is that the pace that these teams play when they interact
with each other, it's generally going to be at least semi-long games, and I've yet to see
Largo be truly struggling in late game positions. So...
And the games do feel like they're going to late quite a bit.
Yeah, until you see Largo have a game where the hero just sucks later,
relative to other offlaners? I just, I don't know. SF is one of the best heroes of the patch
without a doubt and I think this is one of the relatively meaningful traits you can take for
Largo. I personally wouldn't but I understand why if you have to trade this is probably one of
the best ones you're gonna get. But we also saw the interesting interaction with teams
whether they prioritized Largo or Triant. So that was also a discussion. I think some
Some people have maybe changed their opinion though, based on results, but yeah, the Largo,
we've seen a lot of people try to counter it with different types of strats, obviously
the anti-heal with the doom is the big one here for Aurora.
We've seen that before, I mean small sample size, only a couple of games that was not
successful in the games that we tasked.
The 6 minute power rune is upon us, the Avalanche from BZM is already pretty low,
Mere's going to get the Blood Grenade onto them in the cover of the trees where
they get the shackle and they get the kill.
TP support on the way, as is it from Lorna, he's basically the rest of his mana.
Fatal Bonds are on three heroes, but the Thunderside outnumber the side of Aurora, so they'll eventually
get the trade.
That's a big a two for one, mid laner for two supports.
Double kill for Pure.
Starting to see some major separation here, just like last game, he's way ahead of
Nightfall.
Now this time it's not because Nightfall's lane is gone poorly, it's gone fine.
the two kills on TA will create some distance. Yeah, what do you think of all
that thought against this constant action in this series Mira gets
avatars with the frog stop nearby licked back in foul play not enough to survive
TP from Kaori again just a little too late to make anything happen I'm gonna
guess what your question is what do I think about doom against Largo yes I
was gonna answer that in part for you and see if you would agree with me all
right I think Largo is actually pretty good against doom because he loves
buying Lincoln, he loves buying Lotus, of course this is late game scenarios, but yeah what do
you think?
I kind of agree, I think it's a timing thing once again where Doom can be good against Largo
in the let's say the extended mid game portion, but I think in ultra late game it just gets
too complicated.
Like making sure that you doom the right targets when there's like three or four
Lincoln's flying around, there's one or two Lotus's, it's just a mess, makes the
hero difficult to play, and you saw, I think we saw in one of the games 33 on
Doom actually ended up buying eggs and running on top of Largo because he couldn't reliably
doom him anyway.
Yeah, and that is not reliable in and of itself, I'm not really.
No, not really.
I'm surprised WS was doing this well though, speaking of the Doom.
He's actually got quite solid network here.
TH Akira is not an easy lane matchup, but the Perch creep probably helped him out
a little bit.
I just feel like the creep that you get first has a huge impact on the lane for that hero.
It's a night fallen company. They are scouting some ancient stacks that Ari has been working on.
Luminate coming for Mira though. A little bit too far in.
EZM will claim him with the tree.
And a frog stomp onto K.O.R. So four members of Thunder nearby.
We'll get two supports again.
How soon can they take these stacks? This is probably a group effort, I assume.
now. They want to and they do. Toss the frog in and get him bound. Very good.
Very good.
Why did you think about the skit, by the way? The Largo skit. I thought it was hilarious.
So Nami's good at being angry. I actually thought it was pretty convincing.
Very authentic. Makes you think, huh?
Yeah, I mean, in the green room, I mean, I guess he was just being himself in reality,
right? It's probably easy. We say acting, but...
and jenkins was very good at acting uh... like a cock because that's what he
used to be back in the day of course okay
as he's come a long way are there
there was other words that could be used but he's a good boy
as you wish
everybody think that's a bad words not that bad
perfectly normal as an everyday language
grandma and grandpa use it all the time is we have a small care of them
long enough
looking to potentially connect with WS, they see
the TA is somewhat nearby.
This move is very important.
Your heads to the north.
North is going to get caught.
As a matter of fact, that ice pep into trap
could give some trouble here.
RATP's in as well.
WS on the run.
Mira looks to be the sacrifice
as per norm here in this series,
but they get the avalanche toss
and that's the bigger kill onto WS.
And Mira gonna follow suit as the referee from NYFON want to try to turn this around to get the fatal bonds as well
That is one kill
Or any more than that to make up for what they lost though
They won't get it
Yeah, they know tiny still in the neighborhood gets too dangerous to continue fighting so they're gonna turn talent run
Seeing this mid tiny from BZM once again massive value for tundra
this engagement so nice play from WS to immediately purge off the solar bind but
ultimately you are getting put in this really compromised position as a team
and after these two kills this could have been the end of it Tundra chose to
chase so that could have been a clean 2-0 that they bleed out a caudal
right oh that's different than last game I thought we're gonna see a reaping
I mean, I can understand, Mera's had a really rough series so far, he's currently 21 deaths so far in two games, he is being shut down hard by Tundra, and it makes me wonder if that's by design or just the nature of how the game just ends up playing out, or if they're actually kind of trying to target him having to read that when Mera doesn't play make well for this team Aurora structure kind of falls apart.
Whatever they're doing is working very very well 3k up now already. This is looking a lot like game one
I've seen avatars from BZM on to Lorna
Icepack does hit. I don't think they're gonna have the damage though even a Lotus just to make sure
Lornaff gets that. Hasn't Invis rune as well
We'll be forced to use it though
We won't get any value out of the Invis itself
The 9-2 start for Tundra
showing no slowdowns with their performance yesterday against Liquid, which was a shellacking
for lack of a better word.
Yeah, among these three top teams of the tournament, they're the most improved one for sure.
Whether they end up winning this or not, they were looking a level below.
I'm sure you would agree with this.
Tundra, or excuse me, Liquid, and Aurora earlier in Group Stage 2.
Yep, macro fire usage, Lauren off, won't be able to get the rune, it is haste for BZM and that is
maybe the best rune this stage of the game for the tiny.
Yeah, before you have blink, this is obviously exceptionally good to have, you can just run in
and avatars people. You can get purged by Doom. It's the almost illusion that Aurora have.
They have two purges, they have the Doom and Purge on Doom.
Where's Purge at?
You can choose which one.
He's not in the studio.
Yeah. Sitting in the green room.
Hopefully.
Hope he didn't leave the studio.
Very rude.
You think he was upset when they changed the word purge for most of the abilities into dispel?
I think he was happy.
I think whenever casters keep...
He's like...
When he's sitting in the green room and people keep saying purge because of the abilities, he's...
Yeah, exactly.
He's like, oh, I should have chosen...
He'd set the other day just a little bit.
I should have chosen another nickname.
Yeah.
Major regrets.
Yeah.
It's stuck with it now
Could of course change his name to Lakers fan, I heard that one is a statement
God then I'd have to imagine yeah, we wouldn't be friends any longer Mira getting chased museum gets the
Adelance the hex comes out into the shackle now mass pps from Aurora
They're gonna get the doom as well as the requiem onto this mid tiny he gets licked
But he's gonna take out eventually good rotation from Aurora 33 getting pretty low on man
gets zipped on, gets electric vortex as WS is there to help tank up some of this
residual damage coming out from the caudal, but that's too dead for Tundra.
That's a really good punish and instead of good time now the wisdom as well will
be able to be stolen. Can they get their own though? Whitemon is trying to
grab the one on the left side of the map. Looks like it's just gonna be a
trade. So Pure's gonna take advantage of this situation to just push out
mid and take that tower. Mira is too late to get his own. He was sticking around to
protect the steel.
Oh, Laura actually dodges the avalanche. This courier gets killed. Arcane boots for
Kaori. Have to wait a bit. Psionic trap. Another avalanche coming out. This will be
the sacrifice for Aurora this time. It's not Mira for once.
True.
That's something.
Look at the network in this TA, though.
Yeah, we haven't talked about it.
Sure, very much.
Has deso.
Very far ahead.
2K against the Shadowfiend.
And of course, he will have no problems with mana in this build.
He can just keep getting mana from the caudal when it's necessary,
if there's no fight happening with Tiny, we still are just there.
Refilling him nicely and he'll just keep going and farm even faster as a result.
there's just the radiant lineup just isn't very good against the hero the
panel is talking about how this is a good TA game but if if pure were to have a bad
early game that lineup would fall apart that has not happened whatsoever so
looking good once again for tundra overall white man here to defend you
talked about how tundra love defending this tower before as long as they can
hold it before the tormentor falls they'll be pretty happy
33 is close to finishing acts on Largo missing one component
Yes, indeed this year all that wants another avalanche for the warlock. They already dead again
Tundra
Just on another level so far. Of course, we haven't really seen
Other than that one exchange. We haven't seen nightfall get too involved quite yet
And this is obviously the broken quote-unquote hero for Aurora this game
But then again, we haven't really seen that much 33 either, because this Ags is when he starts to take off.
Yeah, Largo is not a particularly, not exceptionally anyway, strong hero early on.
But once you get Ags plus two items, the hero just crosses some sort of threshold where you have the mana to keep your songs running for very, very long.
You're super hard to kill, you're very strong for your teammates to play around.
Yeah, Rora want to try to defend this.
And they scan the pit, but now Tundra exit.
And now with the smoke not being popped, they know that they're not inside.
So we're going to double-checks just in case there's a bug.
His greaves are coming out now, so he can remove Solarbind.
He can remove TA traps, which might be relevant against the silence or will.
He has the shard already on TA.
Bought it himself.
Now look at Tundra.
Four of the five on the bot side of the map.
So, reading this situation pretty well, we're kind of wasting their time now.
We'll get up a couple wards.
Now, we're not having this pen made, so three minutes away from the tormentor.
Unless there's a kill here, Avalanche toss back into the Illuminate into the ice path, it's enough!
Big, big kill for Tundra.
And they can keep going.
Mira toss back, the macro player's gonna zone, we'll call it.
And that's another kill going away of Whitemon actually, double kill for him.
And now the Roche can be taken as long as TA makes an appearance.
This team with Caudal tiny, they just find the openings.
Alrora.
What?
What moment are we looking for for them here?
Dooms probably gonna need another item before he can really confidently go in against
this overwhelming amount of damage that TA and Tiny have.
We've got the creeps on storm which is theoretically a decent moment to fight
Gonna try for this
Nice path to slow them down. Morn off does have to zip, but
The ages eventually claimed by pure which means they're gonna have the inherent advantage for that 20-minute tormentor
I'm nightful on the SF went for Manta Rush, which we haven't seen that much, but a traditional
good item against TA for breaking refraction, for removing traps slows, for making it harder
for her to just fight you head on and find the right target.
But I can't help but think this, if you're pigeonholed into this build on carry SF,
I think it takes a lot out of what makes the hero overpowered right now.
I think it slows you down too much.
Unless you think it... I mean, if they could somehow find a fight right now in Aurora,
I don't necessarily think it's that bad, but...
Another tossback on the Kaori, but no follow-up this time.
Instead, a Golem comes out and is lowering off.
Gonna focus now on the BZM with Pure making his appearance.
Knifeball, rather.
Used to be playing Shadowfiend.
So they get the very big kill on the BZM. Pure, though.
Cover.
of meld
Wait for an opening here still has the ages of course, but
Looks like tundra's gonna back away cut their losses while they can't so good engagement there for Aurora
Not sure what BZM was really thinking with that. He's had a great game so far
Staying over diving my opinion
But he's talked about that in an interview that one of the things they've done the most to improve as a team in the last couple
week since he had less random feeding. That was his number one conclusion from how they
got better. But this still is, it's hard to shake them completely. That is going to be
a mid tower Serpent Ward to use though for a war, so you won't have them for the Tormentor.
Maybe you're just not interested. Yeah, I assume that just not for a while.
Too difficult into Caudal, into Largo, into TA traps that could potentially be everywhere.
We're going to let them have it. So who's going to get this shard? It's either
the caudal or the jacquero kori has uh...
we saw that the other day kori bought the shard on jacquero first item in a
couple of games
uh... like white man does not do that
white man does not and i personally disagree with buying it on jacquero in
general
not surprised to you know it's not white ones approach
and he will unfortunately for them i would say get this
i think the caudal on this is better this game
having two charges on solar bind and
100% healing on Illuminate is quite crazy. You generally buy this item on Caudal after the look.
No, White Mon getting that injection means he's worth a little bit more, but they get the hex and the doom onto BZM.
He's trying to run away, gets purged. Kaori dives first though, two Peers hand, and now Lorna doing a lot of damage to White Mon in the meantime.
Looks like they'll get the Jakir with the very least, but 33 shows up on the Largo.
Double kill for Peer as WS gets licked in.
And now the frog stop with the Adelaix to hold him in place that will secure the third kill in this fight for tundra
And the doom expended but BZM just walks it off casually and these fights feel like 5v4s because they are
Shadowfiend not present
Wait, he'll get there at some fitting
It's funny on the last game when he was playing our so we were talking about nightfall using to be a very greedy carry
and just farming a lot, and how he has started being a lot more active.
And then in this game, maybe falling a little bit back into old habits, I understand that
it's a difficult Shadowfiend game, but I don't think it's a winning strategy to just keep
farming here.
Maybe he feels like, okay, when I have Pyke, it's time to go because I have a solution
for TA.
In the meantime, his teammates probably shouldn't fight this much then.
They're just bleeding out advantages to tundra. We're now up 7k
Largo is getting there Shannon. We've got this. We've heard this song a lot. It's the same song as usual. Dr. Largo
Dr. Largo pure has the shard now. So traps will silence
Lornoff, obviously with the Greaves has some answer to that but still feels bad to have to use it in some of these instances.
Tier 2 Tower looks to be going the way of Tundra, uncontested. 30 seconds on the ages, so maybe Aurora will smoke with that timing in mind.
In fact, they're going to be wrapping around to try to collapse in.
Lornoff with the opening onto the Shapiro, with the right click from Knight,
White long gets forced up to the other side is BGM with the avatars on the Lorna for they've had it half HP
WS looking for the doom target BGM trying to walk it off big requiem coming out, but it's the doom that dies
Now Aurora
Having to exit the premises they get the avalanche cancel TP another death to near his name
That is not
That is the modern nightfall right there. It's a new version
It's the requiem into TP out rather than protecting yourself. You scare everyone else
You refuse to elaborate
Not a good sign as oh boy if they get this kill as well they get the signs for the trap not enough
He's out of mana they're gonna run him down easy and she's a slows him down to a crawl another trap
Derees looks like he might be getting out easy and will continue to pursue gets the avalanche just before the zip and the last
combo toss does it in so Lornoff death number three which this has been his
hero of the tournament for sure it might be as best here in the general as
BZM still all over the place another combo into pure alright that was a
support hero BKB not far away from pure now I mean they're getting some
big power spikes for time. So BKB incoming for him, the Largo, we talked about the Kaya
Sange just finished so now he has to decide between Lincolns or BKB, or Lotus, but probably
not Lotus.
It feels like Lincolns is quite stable here now. Shatter, shaman, doom.
Yep.
Vortex, you're going to block something meaningful. You can also get the BKB and
then play around not getting doomed. That's actually what's queuing up for now at least.
Surely he'll go both at some he will if the game goes. Yes, absolutely
And what power spikes are we looking for Aurora right now is game three?
It's not get there yet
Anything's possible. It's a pop. It's a power spike over this game
When game three starts, they'll be in a much better spot than in this one. That's true. So technically correct. It's all I'm saying
All I'm saying up Kari
Fun to frog in the swamp, unsurprisingly, but okay!
Aw, looking for the Requiem play, gets it off onto pure, or steps away though, getting hex gets a refraction and now the counter initiation.
WS in a lot of trouble, gets slowed down by both Dual Breath and Stolar Vine, Pure coming in for the finishing blow.
BZM will take it from his grasp, and Aurora just dropping like flies.
Now three dead and thunder just getting basically everything. Oh, they might see nightfall with this Illumina vision doesn't have much mana to work with
Oh, he gets blocked and he gets tossed back into the fray pure is there to finish the job
Another death for Aurora. This is just getting out of control. If you fail that TA kill
I don't even know what words to use for that that cannot go wrong
And I'm not even saying they misplayed it, but if they are unable to kill TA from that position with those heroes and what they had
There's just nothing to write home about. Largo isn't even truly online now. They haven't even needed the broken Largo
This is gonna be a lane in the regardless. 20 seconds for Shadowfiend
The zip to try to buy some time, kill off these creeps, but the very least the melee will fall
Indeed, we'll be a full lane for Tundra who are again dominating this game too.
This is more of a slump than Game 1. I really thought Aurora was going to at least bounce
back better than the first game considering how hard Counter-WS was and how overall the
draft was not looking that great for them, but this game arguably is looking even
worse.
They needed everything here.
didn't doom him. Yeah the doom got ice-packed at the last moment but he's
still gonna be able to pike if he's doomed so perhaps he could have outlived the
damage. Yep needed to be perfect for a warrant was not. Roche is up here if you
want to go for that as Tundra but maybe trying to find Nightfall glimmering in
here is already a bit too late. And I fought with the crystalist now. Yeah he has to
by damage.
If anything
was clear in that TA attempt, it was that you did not have enough damage.
Radiance, move and tell.
So four and a half minutes with the Aegis BKB now on line four, the Lago.
Let's see how much damage Tundra can do with this. They got the Rosh banner as well.
Pure.
Round number two.
Can they get the TA?
BZN there with a beautiful avalanche toss.
And now Pure just being able to right click to his heart's content.
Nightfall looking for the referee and he gets ice path though.
Golem comes in to buy some time.
Lornaug just burns up.
My goodness.
That storm was basically instigibbed there as 33 leading the charge as a frog.
Another ice path for the road.
Mira.
This is going to be death number 11 for him, man, oh man, GG's called, what is Tom in game
2?
This is going to get hard to bounce back from the Aurora, it's one thing to be down 2-0,
it has not looked close.
There is one team here today that's just better than the other and it's kind of crazy
to see considering Aurora was able to win against Liquid just a few hours ago.
Now seemingly this game is just a bad opponent, a bad matchup, they're struggling in
they're laning, they're struggling in the draft to find the solutions, and on top of
all of it they're also getting out macro, just being beaten in all aspects of the game.
And it begs the question, when you're the coach here, KP for Aurora, what are you going to
focus on for game three?
Like are you going to target one aspect of the game and be like, this is where we can
strike back?
Is it about picks?
Is it about ensuring better laning situations?
Is it about getting people on just heroes that maybe have better inherent synergy?
Because I look at Aurora's lineup and it doesn't feel fully cohesive in the same way
as what I'm seeing from Tundra in both games.
It's a tough task ahead of him.
Unfortunately for Mira, another game where he is a Peñada, 0-11 this time.
27 deaths in two games for the TI winner, just unreal, but yeah, Tundra.
They're looking good, Sheever.
Good, and then some. I was told that if you have second pick, generally this event has been proven that you're then not in an advantage somehow Tundra has figured it all out and they are, they are a steamroll in this grand final since they knew this is not.
Yeah, I mean, they're managing set up a scenario for Aurora where like they have to choose between
having draft integrity where like the draft comes together nicely and they can do some moves or
Having nice planes and it just seems like they have issues on every position
Like I feel like I'm trying to imagine myself being in Aurora's position and based on their hero pool
Try not ban and pick against tundra and I just don't really see a path
But I feel like it's just kind of masterful planning from tundra coming into the series
Yeah, it just feels like they have so many effective combinations and strategies and you
lose to one, you ban it out, the next game there's another, and you think to yourself,
okay, we'll give away the Largo, we'll take that stuff for Largo trade.
But in this game, it wasn't even the factor to success, it was the tiny, close to coddle
combination that they have.
And they truly were the story of the game.
These ampliates are such a strong temper on his tiny, making maybe only that one
mistake in the bottom, but completely making it so that TA could free farm, they always
have Killthread on the map, and then their late game security was Largo.
Oh, if they make a comeback, we'll have him.
I also feel like a huge impact to this game was literally the cauldron heals.
There were so many clips there where they'd go on somebody that's supposed to die easy,
like a Jekiro.
And he would get healed twice from cauldron blasts.
It like completely changes the gank.
This is a hero that's supposed to die quickly in two seconds.
I mean, if you can't kill a single hero because he keeps getting healed for like
500 and he's got a wand and he's got a mech
It just made the game so one-sided because none of your gangster trades were going remotely even yeah
I mean I kind of want to go back to the draft again because I feel like it's exactly what you guys said that it feels like there are no
Play options like it feels like
Tundra has it all figured out. I remember a grand finals. It was fissure playground 2. It was Falcons versus Tundra
Tundra ended up winning
But they were down two games and Moon meander picked sand king first time that it was ever picked in the entire tournament
He said fuck it. I'm picking sand king. We asked him in the interview when they won
Why did he do that and he said because they were losing because they did not know how to play in this meta against falcons
They just couldn't figure it out
It was one Fisher playground it was what one item remember there's like Fisher University my point is my point is I remember
that there was a certain point where Moon Mander, who's also in this series, was
legitimately like, okay, for what this meta is, they have it entirely figured out.
So fuck it, let's completely change the meta. Let's just pick something that's
entirely unpicked. Let's just change the drafting order so it's not something
that they can have preparation against. And it's worked historically in the
past. It's a big gambit, but like the differential between these teams right
now seems big enough to me that something like that would be worth
trying. But you kind of have to at this point. If it feels like Tundra has got
tight grip on the reins drafting from both positions, what are you gonna do?
You got to pull out a cheese strap or something. Maybe. I also just think that
they can seek to play through WS. Like this is the second game in a row that
he's been on a farming off-laner and not a playmaker type. Like not the type
that can play with the supports. I really do feel like in both games
ARS the parts were kind of shafted. They didn't necessarily have anyone to play with. Yes,
they had the Storm Spirit, but it makes the job so much easier when your offlaner is part of that
overall story. And in that game, he has the Bristle. He needed to farm up. In the game too,
he was doomed. He needed to farm up. He's playing into the Templar, he's asking for lane, so the
lane wasn't easy. So perhaps that's what you could change. Yeah, this was supposed to be the
Largo counter, right? It's like they're shafting their normal playstyle in order to get
counters to the really overpowered heroes which Tundra are getting because of this advantage
that they have in the draft and in terms of how the early game went and how they
tried to transition at that point they definitely made efforts to to try to get
the kills on the lane and I want to show some clips though from from various stages
of the early game to show that they did they tried they certainly tried in a
lot of these engagements it was a lot about counterplay from both sides
you've got called hills this fight was actually pretty good for Aurora they
basically went on shaman he had a great hex here this allowed their team
time to teleport in, which landed a very easy kill against the Tiny, which was great.
But the problem was that it's really hard to catch the other side of this.
They've got Caudal doing Blast.
He's going to pump a big heal here into the Largo as well, which is going to elongate
this a little bit.
But they finally had a good successful fight.
But much like the previous game, they just couldn't really get much now with advantage.
And even with the Greaves and the Regen Rune on Storm, in this case, their ganks
are hitting a lot harder on this other side.
And during all of this stuff happening, TA's getting crazy fun, and he's actually ahead of
Shadowfiend in Alpharming him.
So that was just going very well for the Tornado side.
They also, I think my next clip is Aurora going on to the bottom.
Watch how long this Jikiro lives.
Gets big healed there by the Kotal.
Here he is pressing mech.
That was a Shadowfiend hitting him, and a storm going on him, and he survives.
Like it blows my mind, he's back to full HP already, just because of these Kotal
heals.
In some ways you have to jump Kotal, kill him first, but you also gotta kill
the Largo first at some point who can you get and all these engagements if
they aren't successful hitting like one or two year their kills it's just gonna
get further and further behind. No you can't you can't run from that line right?
Hard to chase. Tiny call. It looks so broken.
You're ahead. I feel like Piers on an island doing whatever he wants in both of these games.
That's the ideal scenario I think like you guys mentioned WS being on these
heroes that are counterpicks to the broken heroes instead of being
his initiations right and the problem with that is like when tundra leaves all the broken
heroes you can't first pick a mars and then their second phase banning mars and they're
banning out his heroes and he just ends up on heroes that he doesn't want to be so I
think like that's just kind of like the genius of what tundra is doing right now they're
really managing to trap them in the draft where either you give up like lago and sf
and you get ws and something that he wants to be in a bad matchup and you're giving
we're all the broken heroes. So it's hard. It's hard to find the solution to what Tundra's
presenting here.
So then there's a 15 minute gap-ish between game ends, game starts, and KP is giving a
speech. Can only imagine what they're thinking about how to deal with it. Is that even
enough time to solve this issue? Is this issue even solvable?
It's really hard, especially, I'll keep popping on the call. When you have a hero
that your team has been playing and practicing the whole tournament, and the other teams
don't play it at all. It's a gigantic advantage because now your opponents are
basically down a band if they actually want to deal with that hero. But
there's already so many other heroes that they do to deal with it. They're
getting out drafted straight up so like if they have specialty heroes like good
luck. I think Aurora are a very good team and if they're gonna pull it back
in this game three it would just be because they chose to play their own
style and it is hard like Insinia mentioned that you can't just not
take a strong hero when it's given to you in the draft, but that may be what they have to do.
Just like pick for themselves, pick things that are comfortable, pick teamfight and playmaking for
WS plus Lornoff, and if you don't end up making a trade broken here for broken hero and you get a
Mars instead, it may still look better than what you did in these first two games.
I think at the very least, if they lose, then they can go down saying they played their Dota.
Like they gave it an actual shot because it felt like in these two games they didn't
And they couldn't because it wasn't their style at the very least go out playing your style of Dota you played for the whole tournament
Well at the very least tundra is playing their style of Dota and it's looking mighty good. They are on match point
It's 2 and 0 in a best of 5 against the world for them
And they only need one more game to take this championship home
Can they do it game 3 coming your way after break?
I think it's not how you're meant to be.
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There's so much in Green League, it's now potentially here going into the final game.
So for Tundra's look near unstoppable in this best of five grand finals and they're to go up against Aurora
And we're gonna find out if Aurora has the answer for this game. They'll be second pick which
We've said is generally the one where you are at a disadvantage
Obviously didn't count for for Tundra and potentially then count for Aurora here either as we're gonna find out as we are in the draft
Which ones are bound out against him?
The same one as the three SF Largo, Beast and the remaining overpowered hero is...
...Bowder and they go for the Mars! Okay, cool!
That's what they needed. I think...
Sorry, go ahead.
I just think that they need to not be psyched out and just pick their heroism.
I noticed in the first draft when they had the exchange of other heroes, the second phase band that Tunger went with was Mars.
And that was the one where they picked...
...Brystal and were like, God, I wish they had a teamfight hero. Well, now they're like pre-empting that.
By just taking the Mars right off the bat, no matter what, they will have teamfight instants.
right after that I see what you do there.
I didn't do that, don't take that back.
I'll take it back, I'm sorry about that.
So the problem here is, we've talked about this all along,
but Kev's very good against Mars,
and Thunder also showed that they're willing to play TA,
also very good against Mars,
and you at the same time also have to solve
the issue of 33 baths.
So I feel like while, you know, good news for now,
there is a lot more to come,
and I think this is the,
it's interesting as we're taking a different approach,
and decided to just give up the baths,
Essentially for free within quotation marks
But and just to get their Mars in get a different game go and get the first style of game
But these are the big questions for them coming up ahead and they only have one ban only one in the next phase that is
This just makes me think of Miero who said that a heaping somewhere's cause matchup is not as bad as make it a
People make it out to be but it's more of a 6040 than an outright loss
So if you just pick Mera, his typical lane-dominator style, something that can play for kills on?
I don't want to be a hater, but I will say I think save is such a good laner compared to almost every single player in the scene that he offsets a lot of these matchups.
And I think that is why Mera feels like it's a 60-40 is because save will get the better end of the support trades regardless of what the matchups are.
And while I think Mera's amazing, I just think there's a slight difference there in terms of skill.
In terms of laning.
Laning skill, yes, exactly.
Well, Jakiro, PA, remove from the pool here by Tundra, and let's see what Aurora goes for here with their one ban into pick.
If he is kind of interesting. What do you guys read on that?
I think it's probably just to cover their path.
Could be against bad, I guess. You can dive him easy on the right time, and you can get away if you trust him on you.
It was also like a very signature Nifo hero a few months ago, or maybe even a year ago, high flies.
Warlock PA, when that was the thing, Nifo was like definitely one of those people that just played PA all the time, and he was a big enthusiast.
So maybe Neda has somebody down on here. They're pretty close friends.
One of the PA facets has a disfell on blur. Is that part of the base hero?
You're using a disfell, something like that?
Because I mean PA is just not that great of a hero, so I'm wondering if there's like some matchup specific thing.
I think I saw a state panic played early on in this event at some point.
I don't remember if it was into that, but maybe it was.
They actually played it versus Tundra.
Oh, they did that. It was Aurora, maybe.
Not Aurora, it was Paris.
It was Paris.
They didn't win, but at some point it looked like it could get very strong.
There could be scrim information where it was busted out once or twice.
And you're in a game three. They're reading that they might go for something crazy, something new.
The obvious carry contenders for Aurora is like Weaver, which I don't really know if 9-12 plays that much
or has played that much in this event. I feel like he's been more so on
like melee dudes. They seem more comfortable when they're in that position.
So maybe that's also why they just feel like he won't leader so they found the PA.
That's not a play, it applies to Dispel with the egg shards though.
Well Phoenix plus Mars gives them a great teamfight a week, right?
You can lock the heroes down now, I guarantee the egg is going to be good.
Taxi reduction plus Mars stun they can protect the eggs for a while here.
Yeah, also just comfort.
The best heroes given to the players who
want to play them lull the whole time.
I would say it's definitely Tellery's first hero.
Yeah, and it's lulled really close.
We're a lot kez. Is that what we're looking at here?
Or maybe the kez waits because
Nightfall's not gonna play it.
Pick the support here, other support.
Unless you wanna keep the bat and make it as Arie's bat
as quite good too.
That's true.
You're just gonna get a shot of shaman
Bad is just such a good off laner and can feel like get anything out of pretty much any lane
That yeah, I mean it makes sense to just show it. Yeah, you can always go jungle
I mean, I like the white mom counter to it where he played bane and he was walking through the jungle like setting up kills on the bat and
Blocking camps, but Kaori, you know, obviously, it's just not this type of player really. I also think it's really good
It's related to the SF. It's the combo of the banals.
Sure, sure. There's the kill threat.
Well, that's Nightfall's hero right there.
And they're picking their heroes. They're getting their Dota. They have more teamfight.
They're comfortable that Void is a hero that can lane blind against most offlaners
because he's got a Phoenix to protect him and he's got to get out of jail for his mobility.
Time one.
The only thing I'm worried about is Shaman, but I think it looks good.
of circles, like crazy good teamfight, time dilation against Bat should be really good too.
You should be able to get away with him, away from him, pretty easy.
I feel like the reason, I mean it's a good hero in theory, but the reason I don't like getting
against Tundra is I think in my mind Void is like a, it's a hero where you let the enemy come to you
and Tundra will just never come to you. They will just farm and they will slowly
eke out an advantage and then like they will take over your map and they'll make your map
really small. And to me, if you want to beat Tundra, and one of the reasons Liquid is generally
so successful against Tundra is because they're really able to amp up the pressure on Neda's lane
and then snowball into Tundra's base and make their map small. Because when you take Tundra's
map away from them, they don't really have a very good planned B. And Void to me just
doesn't check that box. Is it a negative because it's harder to bring him with on
smoke ganks to fight because he's not farming during that time period? It's more that he's
He's just kind of weak.
Like he's not that strong of a hero at level 6 to run into Tundra's side of the map and
fight.
Or you can do it once.
And then you can't do it for another 3 minutes.
I think what Tundra's really good about in these positions is they'll just let none
of die once, and then he comes back and does the same thing again while they're still
farming in the other 4 heroes.
But it also has very low damage, so you need to bring a lot of heroes to combine
with him in order to get the kills.
So it's just a lot of factors to me that seem to make it a bit tricky to play.
Well, they can bring the enemies to him now by throwing them at him.
Yay!
That's a good sign.
Toss people into the Chronos here.
Gives him some lower cooldown jump and re-initiation.
Do we like this for Lorinoth or for Mirror?
They picked it here so that they could keep it open until the very end.
So they wanted a mid-support flex so they could try to get a strong last pick.
Locke's BGM from taking it as well.
They don't take it without Caudal anyway.
I think it honestly looks fine, I feel like it wouldn't, but not an option now.
I mean Invoker would be insane for Aurora, but Lornoff just does not play it.
And I think another layer of reasoning to the Void outside of feeling comfortable picking it without thinking offline
The thing in Offlaner is that we were talking about Cuzz potentially coming out versus Mars and Void is one of the better carries into Cuzz.
So they take it before it can get banned out.
He has some survivability.
Yes, it doesn't worry as much about like a north combo, but...
He also scales well against Void, right? One of the few carries that can actually burst Void.
as the game progresses, once you get your bachelors, abysses, these later game timings, you can actually kill Void without allowing him to timewalk it off.
And even if he timewalks, that's just like more damage for later in the fight, so there's some off-sides and other ways.
It also gets them really good objectives. You've been seeing a lot of golems being dropped for towers, golems on roche with her, so they should be really easy, so they should be able to farm the map pretty successfully with their four.
I think this is a huge mistake from Tundra. They're poking the bear, they're gonna piss Nightfall off trying to win with his hero.
his hero. This is rude. This is disrespectful. I think Night God's gonna just fold like this
to his own hero? What a joke.
If we need a Lornoff hero, I say we, because of course I'm on Aurora's team, that deals
damage into the Chrono Sphere ideally.
That also gives the Bershon a deal.
Potentially Lornoff, potentially Mira.
Yeah, I feel like if you're playing Tiny Mars into Earthstone Warlock, your goal is to just
drag waves, and that usually puts, like, 1% of 1v1 matchup against whatever melee hero
is there.
That's quite a happy position for Pure to beat, because even if you're pulling waves,
that means Pure is, like, absolutely fully free-farming, whereas this void will still
be slightly contested by the Bat and the rust up that are leading, and you don't
have the same amount of pressure.
Imagine Tiny leaving the Mars alone, very vulnerable to getting ran at, whereas the
Bat Rider against the Void and Phoenix is not under quite the same pressure as Rostadis
Istrotae Torchman.
So far I really like Top of the Setup, sorry to drink it.
Well I think you're not considering the emotional element here from Nightfall.
He's known for being very emotionally charged kind of guy.
I like the banning out, by the way, of just the absolute lane dominators for Warnoff.
Like, Tundra says, okay, we like how this draft is going so far, we like how this series
is going so far, we will not be cheesed by you.
They pick up the Void Spirit for themselves.
Man, I like it.
It gives them some jump thingy to somebody else to initiate, especially because it
takes a long time for Bat to get a, to get kind of initiation and stuff, he buys
a lot of auras and things, so they get somebody to start playing.
Anything that just wrecks Void's spirit? I know the Puck and the Storm are both still in the pool, but a lot of them are out
Here's a truly crushing route. Yeah, but I was thinking Lornoff is very happy to play Storm
I think and in this game compared to the last game
It overall looks better. I don't think he really has a rough matchups
It's really just a roster that's a big problem for him
so if Lornoff can pop off Mira can do some nice moves in the early game like
It really comes down to this 4-man squad of Aurora versus the 4-man squad of Thundra.
And if they're able to create more pressure without the carries involved, I think that
could be a way for them to get this extended into a game 4.
And I think this is the draft shakeup that Aurora needed.
They just stopped being psyched out and said, we'll pick our heroes, we'll pick what
we feel like playing, and it's going to look better for them in the last two games.
I think that while Thundra's draft looks really scary, our Aura's draft has a lot
of playmaking potential as well, especially with the tiny rotations.
The only thing I'm really scared about is this 33 batrider.
I've seen him completely take over games with this hero, but if they can mitigate that threat
slightly, I think Aura's got a very good shot in this game.
Tiny Mars has some awesome potential too.
That's some tower spears right there.
I've seen a mar and Krick pull that one off.
It's actually a nice combo.
But I agree.
I think batrider, I'm not even sure if like current Void solves current batrider
that well.
And often just click him in lane and he doesn't like it.
You build tanky items and you just basically don't use spells, max firefly, you farm.
I think 33 will do perfectly fine in this game.
But Nightfall is pissed off.
That means we're going to a game 4.
He's leveled up?
Absolutely.
We've seen it before and it's happening again, Shaver.
What did the Aurora friends and senior whether they have to look for in this game?
It's the best draft so far.
I think the most even draft so far.
I have a personal issue with Void, I think that's just more from my point of view and
my strategic how I think about Dora, but obviously like they don't and they think it's going
to be good.
If that Void was a weaver, I think I would have said like I love this draft, this grade,
I love everything about it, but that's my only hold up.
I think other than the Void, everything looks really good for them and I think they
have a lot of ways to make moves and a lot more, it should be a lot more of
a competitive game.
Okay, let's find out if this series will have a fourth game to it or if Tundra
We'll be just so dominant that they'll take this one in three.
We're finding out to give us some fun and stingers via the poach and pandas.
Grand Finals here at Dream League is under way.
Oh, okay, pause.
Aurora versus Tundra.
Aurora down 0-2.
Can they come back, Cinder?
And can they make a resurgence?
I mean, pure with the ultimate disrespect,
stealing Nightfall's Ursa from him.
After he picked Void.
Doesn't matter.
It could have been a support Void.
We never will know.
That's true.
It could have.
But the Ursa really pissed Nightfall off, I could tell.
Mm.
I think I was going to make the exact same comment as, well, not exact same, but close enough as Insania about this that I thought you were talking about me.
I was like, oh, wow, I was not going to, don't worry, don't worry about that.
No, I think I think this is all Rorra's best draft in the series.
I agree with that.
And I think it's like the closest on paper to me.
It's not so much about the picks now, though.
it's about your mental resilience. Like when you down 0-2 and you didn't just lose, you got rolled.
Yep, I think the first 15 minutes of this game, regardless of lineups, is so important for
Aurora because if they feel like things are going wrong again, I think they're just down and out.
And this is something some players rise to the occasion in these situations when things are at
the very worst. They find some sort of momentum and they turn it into a fourth game and then
all of a sudden we're looking at reverse sweep possibilities but in order to
really believe in that you got to see a good start from Aurora and see them take
initiative they have heroes that can make moves you got Tiny and Phoenix as
your supports can play around Mars or the storm spirit nightfall will feel
confident going late game here because he has one of the best heroes of all of
Dota and late game and as a final note when I looked at this radiant draft I
was thinking this looks like extreme gaming the entire lineup you could
sold me if you took the team names away you could have sold me the extreme made
the finals that is such a team fight heavy lineup with a hard carry for what
would have been on me and playing on all of their hero so it's at least a type of
lineup that's been proven to work yeah that's an interesting anecdote one thing
I'll mention WS playing the Mars as you mentioned his best year at the
tournament yeah I agree no question about it and obviously has struggled in
this series so far, but then again so has literally everyone from Aurora
27 deaths from here. I'm not sure how many times we can mention that he's playing the tiny this time
So has the playmaking capabilities?
We'll see if he can survive
Yeah, should be interesting to see what 33 can get out of this bat right or offline and speaking of the Mars for WS
I would also say for Kory. I think the hero that he separates himself most from the field on is being
His three most played Phoenix Warlock and Jekiro, I personally rate his Phoenix the
highest out of those three.
And also it's not just how good he is individually, it's how good is everyone else.
I think some of the other Phoenixes we've seen even from top four teams have not looked
as good.
Of course he has really got it all figured out.
BZM on Lauren off, this should be a good lane for the storm right in the beginning
And then they're probably just going to trade afterwards.
Lornoff has a little bit of a head start, but not by much,
since there's three more creeps for EZM to be claimed, nice timing on that.
And the Void spirits at this tournament have, as we see, pure get taken out, apparently.
OK.
They might have done the exact play that Jack was talking about.
The toss into Spearings with our is indeed what they found him on.
You've got to be very careful with the wave placement here as Tundra.
If it's ever more than halfway down the lane, you could actually find yourself in the tower very quickly.
Alright, well that's great news for Aurora. First on the board this time.
Yeah, they've been first blooded the other games, I think. Or? No, wait, they did get first blooded in the game one.
Anyway.
Nightfall playing the Void Spirit, hard carry like you talked about.
They got some Wombo combos in there and as you mentioned the Mars Arena egg and
And of course the almighty chronosphere, but the big negative of this hero is you've got to get to that point
where you're actually killing somebody in chrono and it feels like a lot of games that just never happens
You just get run over beforehand. Do you think Tundra have the pace to
To take them down earlier is this gonna potentially go late game?
I think if Tundra want to snow while this game there's a lot riding on the bad rider
because Ursa needs a bit of time and the Void Spirit, the games we've seen Void Spirit isn't the
for the most part the guy who runs the show super early, he needs multiple items before he starts
dealing very big damage, he's going to kill Kaori with the fire with one more right click,
he can't even get it up because of the fire spirits though, so Kaori and Nightfall team up
to take out the off laner of Tundra. Meanwhile, four minutes. Nice shackle, but BZM takes the wisdom,
or the water, that would be great if it was wisdom, but Lornoff is going to be taken out as a result
of the rotation from Ari. We talked about in game one that Rosta player sent her in. Yep, beastly.
Yeah, the voice spirit, I feel like at the tournament, they've either looked
underwhelming or god tier and no in-between yeah it's uh kind of a weird hero you know we could get
shackled here gets the dive off wants to apply pressure to arie who's burning up but the shackle
comes to get the little bit of heal coming in but knife fall gonna ignore some creeps which is
a first for him but that means that dinner's on the menu in the form of rosta attempt to
deny foul play not enough nightfall claims his prize kory is doing a work down here
effectively solo killing the bat and then solo killing the shaman and in both instances nightfall
just walks over and claims the kill so that is really really good news in that blot lane
correct me if i'm wrong this is the first time the series that aurora have a 1k gold lead
I don't think they've it's not even 1k, but yeah, I think so for a brief moment. Yeah, there it is
Oh, it might have been with the the bounties one of these games who knows
33 on the crease a mirror makes an appearance avatars
33 getting to the low grab a knife. I'll even make a rotation gets the time dilation 33 is done
So another kill for Aurora so bouncing back after some
Well, a couple of really poor performances. We'll just call it really good movement from era
This is an important rotation to make WS is okay with playing alone for a little bit
Now it's rune time
Easy, I love a little advantage. He's level six. He sure does Lauren off only level five at this point
Are you taking the brunt of this damage though? It takes the shackle six minute rune is top
Is Lauren off? We'll be able to get the kill on the roster eventually, but will it cost him his own life?
No, Mira.
Coupling up with K.O.R.I. actually gets the 8th Remnant off K.O.R.I. gets the dive, will live just barely
Living on the edge here, BZM
I would assume should be able to get this
Regeneron for himself.
There was a kill there for BZM with slightly different spellcasting. He saved his resident pulse unless it wasn't cooldown
He used it after the jump in and Phoenix was able to outrange it
We may be cast that during the remnant to get that kill, but still, even with the kill it's still not that great for Tundra.
And what we've effectively accomplished now is they've got themselves to Chronosphere on Nightfall.
Oh, is he actually going to contest here?
Sure. A second death in the top lane.
I'm already trying to steal the wizard, probably get a nice shackle, and he's gonna get it.
It will cost him his life, but well worth it, because they would have lost two, as Nightfall
takes the end at the other side.
And he gets a chronosphere, so 33 gonna take another tumble.
That's death number three for him.
This is an 8-1 advantage for Aurora.
Nathan remnant from BZM, finding Kaori, Thrive Chicken on the menu.
We'll get something out of this global exchange, but not to their liking overall.
Too crispy.
Yeah, it looks like Aurora hug.
Again!
The Spear combo, weird, White Mon rather.
Weird Mon.
The 2K lead for Aurora in an elimination game for that Astral Step museum, on to Mere with
the 8th Remnant, not really that much damage done, looking for that 8 minute rune, we'll
be taking the Invis.
the urn right now going for the kayak? Yep, it's pretty standard. It feels like this is
one of the few heroes we see mid that does not upgrade the urn in general. This isn't
the worst vessel game. Faceless void, Phoenix heal, tiniest relatively tanky Mars. These
heroes that take good damage from the vessel, but void spirits just seem to just get
the value urn early and then build toward bigger stuff. And in a way it feels a little
counter-intuitive because we've talked about how Void Spirit has a damage problem and Vessel is
actually pretty decent damage per gold I would say but I suppose maybe just delays your future
items too much and that that spike is worth more than what the Vessel can buy you.
Yeah it's triple stack of ancients here. Yep they are going to need to protect that.
In this game state if Aurora also get to invade and steal not that they have the best heroes
for it, but maybe they still could do it. You don't think they have good heroes for it?
Um, I mean at least, Faceless Void is terrible. Phoenix is okay, but it takes a long time.
I mean, they're good at team fighting, though. Yeah, they're just not good at killing the
ancients. They kind of need to use all of their spells on them, and then if a fight
breaks out, it could be a disaster for you, so gotta be a little bit careful.
and similar to game number one we've got thirty three six in net worth but the
surrounding cast is doing a lot differently this time around exit from
Lorna focus right now on to Ari he's the easier one to pick off WS makes his
way with the spear and they'll claim him to kori with the Sunray kill so despite
being 10-2. Oh no, it falls back up, but he's not gonna have damage. No, there's nobody near.
If Storm was closer, maybe he got stuck. Even Dr. Nightfall, not enough damage.
Well 33, he will have enough for this, surely. Chronosphere reserve for the Offlaner, 33 again dies.
Aurora looking pretty damn good right now. I'm gonna turn this into a push as well.
Oh, there's Siege Creep and this is the rotation from Nightfall, I want to say six months to
a year ago, we were not seeing it all.
That's the hand of Midas now.
Museum will be able to defend this.
We'll take some heavy damage though, that's the Desimilata way at half HP already.
Keeping the Siege alive, so still more damage to come on this tower with an additional
wave to bootleys.
I totally think he's able to defend this. This was really good for Aurora.
11 minutes in, they grabbed this.
Little, you can see that's the first tower to fall average time, but the average time on mid, surely higher.
A lot of the time the first tower to fall will be in either off lane.
33 takes that ancient stack, so
Slowly, but surely trying to catch up to
his counterpart in the Mars
and it's funny how I
Thought there's a story like this almost every single tournament where a player has a hero respect banned against him almost the entire time and
Then finally somebody checks him, you know
I dare you like he's he's almost not got his hands on that at all for the last many many years because people just
established that his Batrider is really good, and it is, but it doesn't mean it's unbeatable,
and you have to give something away.
How do you even ban out 33 heroes?
Don't.
There's too many.
So that's where I begs the question, like, is Batrider actually the best hero to give
away against this team instead of the others that they've tried?
And I would argue yes, I mean it's also easy to say so far with how this game
is going, but it's also that I feel like a lot of the time the Batrider players
of this tournament they get farmed but they don't like smash the safe laner. So if you
have the choice of giving away any hero and you give away an off laner that doesn't win
the lane against what you're planning to run and doesn't scale as crazy as Largo, I think
that's better than giving away something like say Shadowfiend, Largo, Triant. Especially
when your carry player's hero pool is actually good against Bat.
Like, he plays a lot of heroes on Nightfall that can play that way.
Yule's almost finished for WS, and that was Lornoff doing it.
You got the kayak.
Yep.
How close are we to battle Fury on?
I mean, I just finished it now.
For comparison, in game 1 Nightfall at 15 minutes didn't have it yet
with phase boots and Pure has treads so it's pretty much the same cost
in spite of Pure having two deaths and Nightfall in that game being 2-0
That's pretty crazy
It's just laning is a very big thing
Let's smoke from tundra, they would love to get Nightfall
It'd be a hard pick off though
He's the dream kill, he would also lead to a tower.
Oh, yeah.
Nice spot though. Aetherrendon not gonna hit, earn charge on him.
He's gonna chronosphere, they're still trying to go for Ari though, despite not being inside of it.
Will Ward trap Nightfall and himself.
Nightfall will time walk away. Meanwhile, first lasso of the game on the WS.
He shrugs it off, gets off a spear as well.
And BZM trying to create some space, but Tundra just don't have any damage right now.
I'm gonna surprise Pure shows up just with a battle Fury.
14 minutes in so the Wizards have spawned as well, Mira.
Adelaide's not gonna hit, he can take an Astro for his Troubles, toss back though.
Into the Rebuke, and now Pure has to pop his ult.
Mars Arena coming out for WS.
BZM, no way to get out of this quite yet.
They dive into the egg Pure, melt, and next is BZM.
Trying to kill off the egg, it's gonna be closed off!
Just in time for Dead for Tundra.
for Tundra Aurora win a huge fight, 16-2.
How?
Yeah, these games are-
They've turned this around.
These games are not close.
That's just all there is to say to it.
One team hits their stride early and don't let up.
And this might feel like a forced dive,
but you can really see where they're coming from
playing this fight with Batrider,
knowing there's no Chrono,
knowing that you still have and rage.
This is a very, very nicely coordinated fight, and this supernova actually took working as a bait, that's Spear on Bat Rider.
Look at that projectile.
Whitemon's like, damn this projectile speed on this attack.
And even if they end up killing him, it's still very bad obviously, but that's just the icing on the cake that Aurora's clumped with zero casualties.
However, if I look at someone now,
Oh, that would have been to the neutral, so that would have been a disaster.
Pinecone MVP, but not to be.
Yeah, as pointed out here, the distortion field on Faceless Void might have actually saved Phoenix.
Just along with the Warlock projectile, I'm not sure if Nightfall was in range for that, but...
It makes a difference sometimes.
Fortification for Aurora, they're not going to really try to defend this though, as Pure
are going to take an avatar.
Knowing Tundra they're definitely going to defend top though.
33 is going to find Mira, this should be a free kill.
Yep, gets off the flame break.
Easy pick off.
Pure with a much needed kill, we'll be going for blink first after the battle for your
force.
the last time you've seen a void this far ahead of everyone. That doesn't generally happen to this
year. Oh boy, they get the ULs all of a sudden. We're not going to hit properly, but pure,
turning his sights to the chicken. Doesn't matter. Rebuke finishes him off.
Faceless Void's net worth is very encouraging for Aurora here.
Okay, what do you think the wind probability projection is here in this state? 16 minutes.
Uh... 80-20.
That's 90-10.
90-10?
That's pretty wild, no?
I'm sure they love...
The 5K lead.
I don't know.
I don't know, man.
The Dota Plus always really favors heavy teamfight lineups,
which makes sense.
You know, the game eventually does come down to some sort of fight,
but still...
That is the risk you take when you play the type of lineup that Tundra running here
into this stuff,
is that if the early part doesn't go correctly...
It is a quite significant advantage. Aurora will grab another freebie on Whitemon.
We could take Faceless Void having 10k in it with an 17k over the last time we've seen this.
Yeah, we were talking about how this hero takes a while to get put on the board, but...
Nightfall has found a way.
He's been looking really good on this hero. Aurora have run it multiple times.
like Mira Effie that is, talked about on the panel.
Just pick and comfort might be the key here.
Just don't overthink it. Don't worry too much about what Tundra are presenting.
Run stuff that you're confident with that makes sense in the game.
You're obviously not ignoring what the enemy's picking,
but it's probably more important for Aurora right now to have synergy internally
and have heroes that you know exactly what you want to do with when
than obsessing over solving problems that Tundra throws at you
because that definitely didn't work in the first two games.
So, looking much, much healthier here.
Two minutes from Tormentor, will they be able to take the Roche with it?
They don't really have a very good Roche killing team on the Aurora side.
Pondra, on the other hand, definitely do.
Something tells me they're not going to try to sneak it with this sort of disadvantage at the moment.
Smoke not connecting here.
That was effectively quite a loss for Aurora.
They lost 1k.
They spent a lot of time getting nothing.
I mean, the fact that it's 18-4 and Tundra only down 3k, obviously there's going to be an XP disadvantage as well that's not showing here.
But
Pressing all right, they will actually go for roast this will
Take a bit
It's a it's a bold play in the sense that your lineup does do it very fast
But probably making the call that Tundra can't really contest you are gonna settle for a Mars pick as they will he's burning to a crisp
Ends up being an easy one
Yeah, looks like a free roast for nightfall and then a Lorna I assume will take the
this probably leads to a tormentor as well now yeah Lornoff can oh if he kills
Leibman as well that's a nice little snack to go he'll get him as haste as
well he can quickly make it over to the gate if necessary and connect top but it
looks like they might not even need him
tundra are they gonna chance this they are thinking about it aren't they it's
rotation in now from Mira though. This effectively means that there's a little bit of jumping back
and forth from Aurora, the gates. I'll get started on the Tormentor. What do you think
about the gates? How they work right now? Do you like it? Do you want to see a change
of any kind? I've talked to some people about it. There's like different takes.
Yeah, I'm just just talking about it. I think it's fine.
What do you think?
I feel like that's generally your opinion on stuff in this game.
It's fine or neutral items are too boring, those are your two takes, andota.
Do you have a problem with that?
Oh, it's fine.
You know what your take is?
It's fine.
Back in my day, I hate neutrals, I hate gates, I hate big map, I hate myself.
Alright, you know Bob's not the Mars, BGM is there, they use the chaotic offering as well.
WS takes the tumble tundra on the exit
Limit K for wife mom. They have vision though Lauren off looking to get some sort of a trade here
You'll find it. Yep
And it's all
Getting at this kill pure turn aside. I did look at this around completely. It's a big kill on tonight
Well, he's not the one with the ages Lauren off. However is but the blink from pure should keep him safe
Lauren off out of mana
Look at that net worth, what happened here?
Jeez.
And that is definitely the biggest moment of the game, to be honest.
Ursa getting a solo kill here, more or less, on the void.
Nightfall thought he had the damage, he did not.
And they get both shrines, not, I mean, 21 minutes.
It adds up.
It definitely adds up.
And you're starting to get some momentum now.
What's becoming a little bit promising now for the side of Tundra is they almost
BKB on Ursa and he's actually going to be able in this game to just jump into the entire enemy team knowing he can't really die except in chrono
In the BKB nobody's dealing any physical damage except the void and he's not there yet
So with the BKB you can have a lot of confidence on pure
Should also mention that when the tormentor was taken they lost the 55th everyone's losing the 50 50 today
Mira on the tiny get our guard instead of the Sunray for Kaori
much rather than that one.
Yeah, they're obsessed with the horsey, aren't they?
It's a couple of games in a row now, they've had four out of five.
Good item.
Is it better than when it used to be a Tier 1?
Jump distance-wise? I think they improved it, right?
I don't know, you jump a little bit further.
You should remember, this is the only thing you care about in the game.
in the game.
Here, five.
Okay.
Why am I breaking a smoke?
Why am I dying?
Yes.
He has a two-charge grimoire,
minute 23.
That is unusual, to say the least.
And if Warlock generally gets involved in something,
it's more like a comic book.
Yep.
Well, Agatom Scepter comes on live for BGM, so he gets to silence, but Lornav already
has BKG.
Obviously, Nightfall not quite done with his, so if they get this timing right, it'll be
pretty impactful.
That's also very good against Phoenix.
We saw Tundra run that into Liquid with great success.
Easy, I'm just seemingly killing Tophu all game in that one.
See if Kaori can do better.
I would argue he is more of an expert player on the hero field.
Okay, Lornoff really wants to get in there.
Yeah, he also did it off, he gets silenced,
they can try to take out Pure and they get him.
Oh, he used a Nuggets.
Big Bad Bear is down, full minute.
That is really nice for them.
Surprisingly, pure no BKB, no enrage used, just got chained up, taken down.
Aegis will expire now.
Let's see what the plan is for Aurora.
Still really impressed at pure somehow tough at worth in this game.
I don't know what has happened earlier.
That one kill on the Faceless Void really, he finds a way to farm.
WS is gonna see the warlock and why I'm on maybe he just barely didn't see him
actually now he did surely oh hello for supports still only two pages to that
book it's more like a pamphlet yeah doesn't sound as good though
How to become a warlock.
Fortification coming out from Tundra, but Ornoth still sticking nearby.
The wave will now eventually connect, so we're actually not going to go for it though.
So waiting on this BKB for Nightfall? Oh no, he has it actually. Is he going for Lincoln's
now then? Yeah.
Yeah, you usually see Lincoln's or Scotty in this slot so you can get refresher. You
need the monopool. So items that give all attributes are very good for this for Void.
And Lincoln's just makes sense. You're playing against Bat, you're expecting Gerson
to get an epistle eventually. It can also help you a little bit against Shaman. He's
not able to chain everything unless he gets blinked Ethershock into then hex.
Gets you a moment to potentially react.
Looking for more of a backspan here.
On both sides a huge zip coming in.
It's a lot of panic, spending for Lorin off.
Now DKB for WS.
Aurora looking for a wombo combo with all their teamfights.
Another zip opening on the warlock.
They don't want him to use the golem.
It's off the glimmer cape though, is Naipaul getting silenced? Looking for the Chronosphere apparently?
No!
You're just gonna use the arena into the spear to take out BZM.
Now another tier 2 tower.
I was gonna say, will Fawz the first tier 2 tower, Cinderant?
Yep.
Another tier 2 tower will fall in this series.
Damn, you're good.
Thank you.
And that's a nice deep wart to have now.
If this doesn't get removed by Tundra, could give Mars an opening, could give Storm an opening.
Even at Tossback, they have so many ways of initiating if they see anyone even slightly
out of position.
So Tundra has to be very careful, and the Auri is playing safeguard for Thürsa.
There you go, Zip.
Pure in a bit of trouble.
He's going to try to turn this around.
But the chronosphere comes out and there's enough damage for nightfall
And that's gonna be a second kill to his name as well as the wards
There's no one to fight though 33 coming through the gate. Oh my okay
The last though is used law still zips away even with the golem being popped and now tundra
Trying to exit the nightfall away. Can he get the bash? No
Why Mondo? He might actually get out too. No, the egg was actually in range, the stun.
Another kill for Nightfall. WS, finding himself a little snack here, but that's a little bit too big to chew.
I've been there. I really like the idea there for 33, but I think he didn't BKB after last one, so he's gonna stop by an Abilance.
Not over yet. It's the silence off, but Lorna put the stun into the arena sphere.
And now Tundra starting to get pretty far behind. Looks like they had a glimmer there of hope, that is.
Now we're taking firm control.
I wonder if we can get a replay on that. Badrider attempt onto Stormy was very, very close. He got out on like 2 or 3% HP.
HP might have not only been the B2B usage, but also a defensive item coming in from the
Kaori got the Solar off on Lauren off.
Nice.
That gave them a really good trade off.
Smoke.
This is without BZM.
An interesting choice to make this move right now.
If this were to break out, he can't really connect that fast, he has to run all the way
from top, a tundra playing a little bit on the element of surprise, he'd be assuming the
roast will be happening but it's not up yet.
Twenty seconds away.
Now a Lincoln's for nightfall, he's going to be really tough to deal with at once again.
Cher was ahead of him, now he's 3k behind and this is inherently a very good matchup
for the roast.
so blink last though he gets fueled by tiny golem and then you have if you
bkb is when you blink last those there that's 100% kill
so I'm going to try on Roche gonna have to pop the enrage it's like R is the first to fall
WS taking quite a beating but there's the chronosphere bkb from
Nightfall focusing on the 33 right now they get him and pure left all alone
versus five dead to right even a buyback from R being expended things
are spiraling out of control for Tundra. BZM will live, but it's a small silver lining.
Now that Roche is available for the taking, expect Aurora to claim him too.
Well, that's not over yet. Another support biting the dust it seems. Indeed, that is
the case. Surround tactics review. Now the high ground for Aurora.
Whitemon holding on to hope with this two page grimoire minute 30. I've never seen this
I think in any game including pub games. Is that one is this minute 30 on Warlock and
still hasn't used the book. Are the backpack items he has just better? Just eat it. Just read your
trashy magazine, Cosmopolitan, whatever the hell. Get that brain rot in. Nice flying break.
33 company, definitely know this is a thing. This is kind of awkward now. Roses on a third HP.
And there's Golem. If they can get a good fatal Bonds here, things can, we've seen that before.
Aurora can't really leave, but they also don't have Chrono for 45.
33 is gonna run up with a smoke for Pure. This is a key moment, and probably,
realistically speaking, Tundra's last chance at getting something meaningful going here.
Now BZM in the pit.
Does he spot it?
Now he's gonna beat, he jumps in, gets the silence onto several heroes to stimulate.
Ari gets caught off guard, though he's taken out. Pure with a BKB jumps in.
Trying to focus on the lower and off.
Now he's just trying to figure out what target he wants to go for.
He gets the egg instead.
So a good kill to start, but now the spear comes through.
Pure is dead to right.
And they're going to follow suit and likelihood
onto this void spirit.
It's the little zip action.
BZM with one more astral step available.
Gets to the low ground, but three dead for Tundra.
This fight is over.
They're just going to call it, in fact, GG.
So Aurora stay alive and force this to a game four.
That's a very good bounce back for them. Not only do they win, but they really shake things up.
They change their strategy a lot.
They made some major adjustments in the draft.
And now, seemingly have at least an idea against the back rider.
The question is if you can run it back.
Like how important was the faceless void for this?
So obviously Tundra can up to ban that in the second phase if they were to get in the same situation again.
They look quite devastated.
Shins up boys. They're still up 2-1.
Well, Laura looked devastated too.
Maybe everybody lost this game somehow.
That's Dota.
That's how it is.
Welcome to...
Laura enough, 11, 1, and 16 looked thoroughly uncompressed for themselves.
I think he played a great game, Laura, so if you don't believe in yourself, I will.
And Mira finally gets to play the video game this time around, 1, 1, and 17 in the
tiny worth highlighting because he has been an absolute punching bag.
He had 16 deaths in Game 1.
knows how many games 17 assists yep game 3 well done Mira coming back with the
vengeance as we're going to a game for love to see it Aurora get to play their
own style they picked heroes that are comfortable on and it shows as he this
was Aurora on their turf it really did show I mean I'm really glad for this
game three they decided to just pick what they're good at not gets like
that and try not to overreact too hard to what Thunder presented. That's what it seems like
in those first two games. And honestly, their execution was clean, their team fighting was
good. I think Mira was able to stabilize the lane top for WS very easily, opening up the map for
him to like move around. I think they did a really great job in that bottom lane of shutting down
the Batrider. And yeah, this is all we want to see. We've got our grand finals on our hand.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was doubting the void, but I feel like he was the centerpiece
of making this game come together. To be honest, Nightfall was indeed emotional and angry and he
was not gonna be pushed over easily. He did all the things that would have wanted a weaver to do
on a void. And I feel like that is extremely hard, so a big problem for really nice execution,
also an interesting skill build. Yeah, he went with three time dilations that he could
help get kills against Batredder in the lane stage, because otherwise your hero is entirely
based on what you have lower jump, cooldown, you have slightly higher chance to double
hit, which is like a pretty ass skill point, honestly, in the early game.
You don't attack very quickly.
So with time dilation, at least he provides flows, which allows him and his ally to right
click his opponent to do a little damage.
It was kind of a cool solution.
Yeah.
I mean, in Sun's fans' words, I think you're talking about somebody else, but new
Nightfall is not a cuck.
He's not afraid to pick something that's out of the box.
He has done this before, and he went helmdome on Faceless Void, too.
So, depending on the game, he can do different things and this is, maybe I was taking it a
little bit to an extreme by referencing the Falcons, Tundra, Fissure Playground or whatever,
where they completely changed the meta.
But it was nice to see a hero that people just kind of aren't used to playing against
right now.
Like, it felt like Nightfall was kind of unanswered despite looking very comfortable
on the hero.
mirror what you were suggesting, which is just play over our style. But then they also put in a
little a little bit of extra flavor of like something that Tundra isn't used to playing around
and Tundra looked like they got they got pretty clapped in this game. I really liked the the
nightfall build. Can I show it in my clips by any chance? So are we ready for that? I would
love to show clips. What he did instead was he bought items that accelerate his farm, which
normally you can't get away with because you have to worry about the offline killing you.
But what Batrider's been doing so much this tournament is ditching and going to farm Joan Cams.
So like, he realized like, I don't need to spend money on a regen item.
I can just rush Midas.
And because he got these early time violations, this huge kill where Cowrie did almost die,
but they ended up killing him first here, and then here a second time at five minutes,
these two kills against 3-3 basically allowed him to accelerate.
And then he bought Midas and Mouser immediately afterwards.
And those items together just means that he gets the, he's like full greed mode basically.
but also does good teamfight. So his low damage that we'd normally expect out of like a helm dom build that takes forever to come online
didn't end up really being that big of a problem here. Here's the first Chrono kill that he put on his opponent.
Here he is also teamfighting decently well. Really nice double toss to amplify that damage up.
They got Mars Green and keep them here longer. This is that Phoenix dive that ended up being really cool far on the right side.
They tried to kill it, but the lower projectile speed of Warlock's attack here ended up allowing him to pop.
They won so many fights here and the the void was just way far ahead
This was like the only dangerous moment for them really where you almost
Kind of like threw some momentum back, but the boy bill just worked out really well
And he just got even better as the team points went on from there
And Carrie is really exceptional on that scene and watching those back like that
First time to kill that writer in those clips and he lives will like 10 HP
That's him being a hero specialist knowing the very limits of his hero
And I really do think that's why Mars just goes up in value not just WS being a playmaker
But being able to play that curry Phoenix
I also feel like your clips reminded me of something Loda told me when we first joined the line
Oh, here we go. This is this ancient history
He said he really thinks Hanna Midas is an item you buy to them play active because you don't need to spend as much time
Hitting creeps because you're getting money and you're getting money anyway
Okay, and it's like that's exactly how nightfall applied it to the game as well
He was in every single move, and he could do that because he had the Midas to fall back.
And if your skills let you do it, right?
Like the time dilation was very effective this game, maxing that out against the Tundra heroes.
That's a very load of thing to say, back in the day, he'd be like, he'd come to lane with no items.
To be like, well, I gotta get the Midas really fast.
That was when you had try lanes so you could kind of get away with it.
You know, so I'm not surprised he said that.
So there was, in this game in particular, was there a way for Tundra?
Obviously the lanes didn't go well, and the early to mid game didn't go well.
Was there a way back into the game for them or like couple fights?
I feel like they got out there executed.
Like I think they looked for good moves.
They looked for opportunities.
They weren't like just folding over.
I think they played the map well.
They were trying to farm the way into the game.
And if you notice, whenever there were stalemates,
they were kind of climbing back and then someone would get picked off.
And you could see like their discipline and like not overreacting
and teleporting and feeding a bunch of kills.
They did a lot of things well, but I just think they came on execution.
and honestly the first 10 minutes were just so much in favor of Aurora that I think it was hard for them to play the AML.
How much of this was because of that Mars pick? Because I know that in game 2 that we saw, we had the first phase banned Mars on the side of Tundra when they were first pick themselves.
Yeah, because when they had four bans, they banned Mars, so they were second pick.
So, how are we going to see them at the rest of this time? Because how much of this was on the Mars?
I think it helped, but it wasn't necessarily everything.
Yeah, it definitely helped for sure, and it looked nice for them to have so much teamfight.
I mean for Tundra, I think the big difference in this game compared to the other two was BZM's hero with the support synergies.
Like if I look at that game one, he was playing Viper, and he had a Tundra and a Shaman behind him, and that makes sense.
Like you're going to have this town killing you up, rallying behind you, you're able to get a little bit of extra damage.
damage, same with this shaman that they had, they could just like play together and make
something happen.
Another one of the games, they have like Viper plus shaman also, you just go push a tower,
like you have disables that you lack on something like a Viper, he's going to be securing that
for you.
And this game there really wasn't anything like that, it was like, Void Spirit was playing
with a shaman and they don't really burst that quickly, they don't do that exceptionally
well, they don't, Void Spirit's not the type of hero to push towers, don't do that
exceptionally well either, so maybe fix the combos from the mid lane.
Okay, we're going to see if Tundra can do that, or if Aurora can keep their momentum
going. Game number four coming your way after a break.
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway
You hold our future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions, I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection, then come and sweep me off with more feet
If we could just solve all this confusion, if we could sort it out
Get through this situation, no more hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are
And us apologies won't get you far
Cause I know what you know
That we're in love
I've got balls in my face
I don't believe it when you tell me
But you think everything's gonna fine
You sure got a funny way of showing it
So this is where I draw the line.
Now let's sing one seating in.
We could just talk about this confusion.
We could start it out.
But through the situation, no more hesitation.
Focus on what we're not.
Don't say sorry if you're who we are.
And let's apologize, won't get you far.
I'm not sure that we're wrong
We're wrong
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get too far
Cause I know what you know
That, I'll be with the big, dangerous friend
Don't say sorry for who you are
I'm gonna get a game of the fring.
Damn! I don't think I'm gonna get a game of the fring.
I don't think I'm gonna get a game of the fring.
No, no, I'm watching. I'm watching a war.
Yeah, I'm watching a war.
Hey, I guess I'm gonna just throw it.
To return
This is the day
That I must say
I do you
It's what I got to do
Enough, enough
I can't hang on
Enough, enough
You know I'm wrong
Enough, really?
I don't know why
But it's over now
So let's just say goodbye
I wanted more
I wanna be you than anything
I remember the days we couldn't stand being apart
Know the distance we seek and know who we don't speak
Who we lost everything that we had
I had no choice, our love has no voice
And all I know is that I have to go
Enough, enough, I can't go on
Enough, enough, I don't want more
But it's over now, so let's just say goodbye
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the 28 Grand Finals time.
Tundra versus Aurora is 2-1 in favor of Tundra,
but Aurora seemed to have figured something out
in the game we just witnessed,
and being two games down doesn't hurt them at all,
or rather it doesn't scare them at all, if anything,
it just seems like it powered them up a little.
Yeah, I think Tundra has actually got this.
Just don't piss off Night God.
I mean, don't pick his hero and disrespect him
in front of all of these viewers,
in front of all of us, in front of God as a witness.
Don't do that.
If they just pick a normal thing for pure,
TA or some other bullshit like that,
they play normal game of the doubt if Tundra might win.
But I feel like Tundra's also got a bit of an ego.
They're going to run it back. They're going to try to pick Nightfall's hero, and they're
going to get slapped.
Do you think?
I think Tundra will just pick what they think will win. They don't care who's hero it is.
Yeah.
Right?
Because Void was already picked when Pyrr got there, so it's like they stole Pyrrhus
or anything.
It's stealing when it's Nightfall. It's stealing.
I see.
But I do think the issue, and I want to elaborate better on it because the mid lane
for Tundra usually is where a lot of their tempo comes from. We talk about 33 being
key aspect, but it's also BZM and how he can play with those supports early on.
So in the first game, again, their idea made sense.
You have this Beastmaster mid, he's playing with the Chen, Chen is behind him, they're
pushing towers, they have a Shaman who's also pushing towers, playing for objectives,
that's an idea that makes sense, right?
In that game too, you've got this Piney mid tossing back, he's playing with a Cottle,
he's playing with ranged follow-up damage, his idea and the game is also very clear.
In this game 3, Void Spirit doesn't really have any inherent synergies, with a hero like Warlock
because he's not huge on AoE damage, and with a hero like Shaman who's also a pick-off hero,
they just do their burst damage too slowly.
So if they didn't just clarify what it is that they want to do with the museum, I think
that's the only thing to look at, not things like the Earth of it.
Maybe part of the problem is the fact that Whitemon was 0-10, like he had a really
rough game.
If this is not usual, I feel like some of the issues that you're talking about
are sometimes rectified when you have a warlock as your support by the fact that he shows up at like level 7
mid at like 8 minutes into the game or something before other supports can do that, but in this game white mon just couldn't really
He couldn't really get online early like you usually see from warlocks, especially from him like the black or more warlock
This was a this was a white mon
Popularization he made this a popular build
The lane went bad too, because Pure got tossed, killed, onto tower, like there wasn't, it's like a very bursty combo, so like the slow heal offset that Warlock can only provide is just a little bit less good against that Duelain they had.
I would also say that the lineup that Aurora had was, they had Storm, they had the tiny toss back, they had Spears, they were synergizing, and I feel like the slowest hero will be the first one to fall for that.
We do have the answer of Tundra for now, they are second pick, so they have got the four
bands meaning they'll go back to banning out the Mars.
Windranger as well removed from the pool, we also have Tree and Beastmaster and Largo.
Interesting to note that that also means that Aurora doesn't want to first base pick any
of those three heroes.
Let's see what they will get instead as we have the Shadow Demon and Shadow Fiend
removed from the pool as well.
I actually find Aurora's Bands extremely interesting, because they've been a Beastmaster team throughout this event.
And I feel like what made the draft work for them in the last game really was the Mars.
Even though it's quite invisible, it's the threat of the hero, and the way Thunder likes to play the map.
This hero just existing creates issues for them.
And I'm pretty sure the second phase landed in both games before, out of the first two events.
And then in the third game, Aurora moved up to priority, so Thunder matches that by also moving up their MarsBand priority
to like the first phase.
Yeah, yeah, the first phase banded in the time
where they had second pick before as well.
Okay, yeah.
So there, I feel like for Aurora now,
the question mark is what are you actually looking for?
Cause almost all the heroes that I would consider
to be first pick worthy
and that have been first picked out event
are banded out or Batrider.
And I don't think of WS as a Batrider player really.
But they did also just defeat the Bat.
Maybe they feel like they can do so again.
I don't know, I also wonder why they're taking a long time going for their opening pick
because normally this is something that you can strategize.
They go for D-Phoenix.
I mean, I wonder if they were thinking Tundra would just give them Asaph for bat
and they would have the same kind of trade-off that Liquid got.
But Tundra was obviously not willing to do that.
They ended up just banning out DSF and it seems like it caught Aurora a bit off-card.
And to me, this Phoenix pick kind of strikes us like we're running out of time.
We can't come up with a really nice first pick.
Let's just pick a hero that we know is good for us, and we'll figure it out by the time we get to 13.
It's worth countering a Phoenix.
It's worth countering the egg in this patch. I feel like nobody ever does it.
Like with Snapfire or something?
Some Snapfire or Ursa.
I mean, don't go Ursa. We saw what happened last game.
I mean, I feel like for Tundra, the most egg countering hero that they could pick here would have been Muerta.
But, yeah, all things not to do.
I guess Shakira is decent. I mean, I know it's a little hard to run into the fight of Shakira, but...
It does happen sometimes.
Getting the double head off on the egg does feel pretty good.
Also just an incredibly powerful support anyway.
It's interesting how the drafts have shifted so far.
Is that now we're back to like both teams opening up their five
instead of it being like, oh, these are the best heroes.
I feel like we've seen back and defeated two many times
in the first pick that the team just lost faith.
You can't like have that hero be that high priority,
but come out of that net worth.
Come out of the lane saved with terrible net worth
compared to the other course.
One thing that also changed, by the way, in this game. Is it the first game that will see both teams play from the other side?
So the first time Tundra is radiant and the first time Aurora will be dire.
I don't know how much of a difference it makes, but it's still interesting to see that game 4 is when it changes for the first time.
I think it makes a difference.
It depends on if you like defending towers or taking them, because the obvious tower everyone is going for.
Obviously the mid towers are important because Vroshawn, but the top area of the map is very important because of the tormentors
So I think if you're
If that's your tier one that you're protecting obviously you want to play heroes that are better at defending
And I thought Tundra is very good at holding in an area of the map
So they're probably better at defending that than taking it
Well, it's a generally speaking teams play so much Dora that they're so used to playing on other side
It's kind of hard to say which ones which one has an advantage. There are of course differences like you said
I don't know if I would consider one side to be
Objectively stronger or weaker than the other. Yeah, I feel like in the past we have this a lot more
It was a much bigger thing than it's nowadays. It's just different now, right?
She said you play a little differently, but yeah both both feel a little balanced
Also about this draft
it's like the big reason why we see supports moved up so much in priorities because it's quite a
a kind of locked draft where a lot of the core heroes that both teams like are banned
out. So they're kind of forced into like, well, what is our next round of heroes that
we can build stable drafts around. Not necessarily like showing their key pieces yet, but rather
just like trying to set up the foundations to then build upon it and get something nice
out of it.
Just on your conversation, I did look up the stats on Radiant vs. Dire in this tournament
And obviously it doesn't account for 1st and 2nd pick, but Radiant has a 44% win rate right now, while Diarr has a 56% win rate.
So the Diarr win rate does seem to be a lot higher.
For a large amount of games we've had here, that is quite high, I'd say.
We'll see if it makes a difference for Aurora, if they also feel like they have the advantage here.
We were also seeing that Tundra will remove the Aerocyber, so respect put on the Aerocyber,
because I'm sure you're very happy with that one, other than obviously not seeing your nice
self play.
Yeah, yeah.
The Grandmaster, though, this time around, not banned, so picked up for 33.
The answer we've seen to Brew is Weaver, but Tundra has been playing against a lot
of Weaver, and then 33 goes for Orcid on Brew, and that seems like a pretty good
counterplay.
So, I mean, still I feel like you can do it.
I think Weaver or Priscilla are generally the two I consider the best.
Also, they didn't pick Weaver in the last game, so I'm not sure how confident they are with that hero.
I think to me this is a signal that they probably are not going to take that route
and rather just approach it with something that will free farm on their side as well.
Yeah.
They're not really looking for the super heavy pressure hero,
but rather like something that will farm out the woodling
and win the advantage slowly.
I think for all carries, I kind of like a badder in the sense that he doesn't really have to worry that much about brew master
Like brew has some damage issues when he splits obviously you can get thrown in the air
But if he goes on somebody else then your carry can help protect your other teammates
That's something that very very few carries actually provide in the game
I also think it's kind of nice to level six usually brew masters kill thread on pretty much every carry
And I don't know I'm someone like the few that just doesn't really care
Can you need this ballad of brew by clone?
Like if you press on here, I can ult out of him.
Oh no no no.
Not with the W. I tell you man, can you ult out of him?
No no, with a photic shield.
No.
Okay.
Shadow Shaman has been going up in priority throughout the best of five.
Maybe a little before as well.
I mean, hypothetically good against Buru.
You have good disable for killing him before the split.
However I will say, if there's not like a little bit of extra disable or like heavy
damage.
A lot of the times, Brew can just survive through the burst, because he builds agonimceptors,
he's got a lot of stats really, game.
Merto's super good against both of these supports.
Another layer to the Abaddon that we didn't touch on, Auto Limber was the potential pick
here for Tundra, and Abaddon's quite good at covering that.
I really like the Merto for sure, because they are lacking disable on Aurora right
now, so if they do catch somebody with the Shaman, it's going to be really hard
be a Fulterations off is gonna feel a lot of like jump in hex back up, re-engage with Shackle to feel safe.
They don't have the greatest dive as well. Like Muerta is punished by getting dove online,
getting killed early on, and her calling is gonna be such a nuisance. Like Phoenix doesn't like to
play against it. Neither does Shaman, and Nevada doesn't really help them versus it too. Like
typically if your support gets done you're like wait I need you to press hex here let me shield
do. When there's silence, it doesn't save them from that.
So Aurora, I think, kind of wants some sort of tempo hero on WS, as we've seen in the series.
I'm trying to look for one, and like the only one that I can see is Santar.
That's mostly.
Just fight decent against Murta.
Yeah.
You don't get hit as much in the lane.
Generally speaking, Santar against ranged heroes on the lane is just good.
However, Murta has timings later in the game where you can kind of kill him.
Yeah.
But he buys pipe, good against Murta on the lane.
I think it's pretty obvious.
Candidate I mean I guess okay go for something thinking maybe timber if they want a little extra damage, but center makes so much sense
They'll grab it and into the final banning phase we go it looks like we need some midlaners on the board
There's a lot of usual suspects to fill in but Aurora did have the foresight already banning out that invoker earlier
So that leaves one extra ban basically in for this phase for them
I have to say, I like this idea of banning out really annoying late pick course super early
on into the draft, because you don't want to play against them later, and you'd rather
play against a more overpowered hero earlier in the draft.
It's like their value is high, but not at the current pick.
It's an interesting concept.
I mean, it's also like overpowered heroes are not overpowered without the correct
heroes around them.
So if you sometimes if you remove the heroes that they rely on to come in later in the draft
That also nerfs like the heroes power levels because a lot of the reasons why certain heroes are strong and it's here
It's a week is just about because of how the draft works like if there was no counter picks on Dota
There will probably be a completely different here. Yeah, but because of the order of picks
You kind of have to find certain heroes that are good when they're counterpicked and certain heroes that are good
When you kind of pick with them. Mm-hmm. So the setups kind of change depending on all these things
What I find interesting here is also for Tundra, I think they kind of need some sort of tempo
setup style hero mid, whereas Aurora has a bit more of their draft figured out, like
they have more bases covered, so they have a little bit more wiggle room when it comes
to Lauranoff's hero.
And the way Tundra abused that in the first game was they picked the Viper, which
you cannot pick any Spirit type hero into, and then forced Aurora to pick the Slamper
right, and then swapped up their lanes and kind of took an advantage that way.
So it's interesting to me to see if we're able to create a similar scenario here where
thunder has to pick between having heroes that can play the lane up properly or
something that gives them draft integrity. Imagine the next level you ban void spirit puck
because you actually want a huskar. Ban these heroes so they think why would they ban these
heroes if they were going to huskar? Let's not ban the huskar let's play with it.
I have it. Easy. I think lord of huskar is on the bench for the series.
Okay. I don't think it's coming off. I think viper maybe.
Yeah, Viper and Huskar both in the pool. Pretty crazy.
There's a little Sniper still. They've got some solutions against Siren Chains with the Abaddon, but...
With the counter-peck, you know, you can't do it. Viper is good though. Viper is definitely good.
There it is. Sniper has already been banned by Tundra now.
Previously we saw a Sniper up against a Viper, but what will BZM wanna play against this Viper?
Actually, it was a Sniper against the Beastmaster, because they smoke lanes.
The Viper is definitely really good though. It's almost all magic damage from Tundra right now.
So we have seen Marches shred through Viper at some point in the game, but he should have a lot of time for his Nether talks and to cover himself.
Tinker!
Oh!
Oh Tinker!
Party vision response. Party were doing this against Viper actually, all tournament long, and they were very successful with it.
No one was playing Tinker and the Viper, and he was kind of drawing the lanes, and then just proceeding to farm and get really fat.
And if you take a look at Aurora's heroes, you start thinking, okay, who's going to jump the Tinker?
And it's not that many cores that can reach him, right?
Abaddon and Viper are both kind of like the blobs that move forward.
And Tinker plays in the backlines quite easily in that setup.
Though I will say, if you're Tundra supports, you don't really have an easy time making moves with anyone.
So it's kind of a little bit similar to the first game, I think, draft, but from opposite sides.
And I think this tinker pick looks really strong because when I look at Aurora's draft, it
does running at you very well.
It does like winning the lanes and you know trying to get towers and all of that.
The basic concepts that doesn't really teamfight as well as their laughs drafted and it feels
like if they make a mistake or two, the counter play that Tundra have is going to
be so easy, especially if this tinker just like scales into the lead game because
You think, what's their plan B? If it doesn't go the way they want it to. If they don't win lanes and get those early kills.
What do they do now? Are they're waiting for a baton to outspill Tinker? It's not going to happen.
Yeah, this is a rough pick to be honest. Tinker is the highest winner hero in the game against Viper on Dota Buff.
I think particularly because you get the space to get to your timings on Tinker.
You want to push out the lane. You don't really want to lane against anyone. Nobody wants to lane against Viper.
So Aurora has to take an advantage really early, which is a little weird because I don't think
Nightfall on Abaddon is a hero that can really like rotate out and take an advantage.
They don't really have the heroes for that, so I'm interested to see how they deal with this
problem. Maybe they'll do the same thing at the Midas to farm while fighting.
It's possible, but Or he needs to get his like Orc and Blink really fast so that you can
get the backlines and like kill supports and then kill thinker. I do think whenever you're
in that kind of position, where you have to adjust your item build based on what you're
going up against. That's a pretty steep mountain to climb. And last time when I said I didn't
really believe in Aurora, they clutched it out, so I'm hoping I can do the same thing
for KP once more.
Okay, let's see if they can do it. Tundra is still on match point. One more win and
they'll take it. Let's see if Aurora can make this a 2-2 and push them to the
We're finding out. Let's go listen.
Tinker, Stinker in the house, BZM is playing Tinker in game 4 of the Grand Final Sphere
at Dream League.
Tundra versus Aurora, Tundra with a 2-1 lead, they tried to go for the sweep, but Aurora,
won't be taken so easily, cinder man. This is another really big draft pivot. You get to see more.
This is what's cool in BO5s. You get to see more depth. The tanker comes out, 33 goes back for
Broom Master that he hasn't played in the series so far. On the side of Aurora though, not too
much innovation, if you will. This is like, but again, that worked for them last game. Picking
stuff that is stable for them that they know how to play around where they have a vision
and an idea of the timings in the game might be able to replicate that.
We talked about Nightfall's Ursa Cinder and being his number one.
This is definitely his number two, the Apodon.
Yeah, it's been a bit hit or miss though, I have to say in this tournament.
It's been like some of the games that had looked great, other games it was very mediocre,
The thing that all those games shared was that he was very active on his Abaddon compared to what we've seen from other heroes.
And other players on Abaddon, for that matter.
Alright, we have a fight here with Mira.
Yep, he gets dead shot.
That's the hex into the shackle and pure Pasaferi fire trying to maneuver around the trees WS pursuing as well.
And that is first blood for Mira.
Wow, and he's actually gonna live through this. Why, Monk?
He might go for another shackle here.
Indeed, we'll have the chance to chicken fingers into the shackle.
It's a double kill for the man that fed horrifically in the first two games back with Avenger.
That's why he's a TI winner, Cinderan.
That's right. It's because he gives the enemy a false feeling of security.
And then he does the reverse sweep.
A great start for them in this bottling.
And he's just staying on pure, but...
Don't have many resources to work with, so we've got to be careful, as, of course,
Phoenix had to leave to go up top
About tinker every quickly came over and let me know that
BGM's win rate on tinker all-time in Prodota is 35%
Oh pretty good. Yeah played 14 games. Yeah, another fairy fire
He's dead again. Oh my goodness really really not good
He has to do the walk of shame now
36 seconds cool down on TP
But it was surprising to start to learn about BZM because he is very high level 30 plus and as you can see
So it should be one of the heroes who feel you should be very
Practice it's probably on the phone. Yeah, of course
But yeah, I agree in theory this seems like a really good tinker game for the hero itself
But are you maybe a little bit over focus on the tinker's game versus what it's going to cost the team is
In terms of composition, this Radiant lineup doesn't really have all that much in the way
of playmaking except Brewmaster, and his is obviously gated behind a massively big cooldown.
So I worry a little bit for Tundra in this game that even though the Tinkers go down
to paper, I think that you could just get completely outpaced and actually destroyed
in this game.
This could be very one-sided again, and it doesn't inspire much confidence in
me that they got rolled bottom as well in the beginning. Pure is still level one.
He's going to be put to the test in there. I'll see how good Pure can be.
He has, like we talked about, look outstanding on the Moer to though.
He has been his best hero.
But you are limited by the conditions that you have, even if you're very good on the hero.
And he hits level two. He's done it.
The real question is, can Aurora keep up the aggression against the likes of a Jekiro
and an eventual martyr that hits some levels?
Well, if they shut down Tinker this hard, the game's going to be 4v5 for a while.
Lawren Office is drawing in 18 and 7 to 6 and 2.
That's why BGM's rocking the 35%
Having a rough start now
Decent counter pressure down bottom, taking advantage of the calling plus
Jekiro a very strong hero combination in lane
The reason it's a very strong hero combination is that one of the two heroes is
Jekiro and therefore it is a strong combo
Jekiro has two heads so
Jekiro ogre for the quad lane
And that does sound like a pretty good lane, so...
It is a very good lane, but then you have Ogre.
Yeah, but Ogre used to be a core for a very brief time.
Yeah, history.
That was a fun Thursday.
Ha ha ha ha.
Longer than that.
Okay.
They already ended up snagging a water room.
Lornoff will get the other, so Beezian's still getting shut down pretty hard here.
It's just to see how much rotation there's going to be at the 6 minute power room,
Considering you want to just add insult to injury nightfall in company getting harassed a decent amount will force already out of lane though
Nice fall almost certainly the cookie cutter radiance build. Yeah, you would think so. This is a very good lane for Phoenix
So I think it better should more let's be free farming
There's nothing here that really threatens you as Phoenix you can always just a cross dive out after push back
The enemy heroes will be taking a lot of fire spirits as they try to see us.
Check again. WS though.
Again with a decent counter fresher. This has hurt him a lot.
Oh yeah.
And once he gets two to three levels in that return, aka retaliate,
that's when Jakiro starts hurting a bit by getting those double attacks off.
But he opted not to go 112.
You went two and hoof stomp, which is a bit surprising given the lane.
Feeling like against double range, your suggestion would have been
significantly stronger, nice gate play.
The fire spare, that's the third fairy fire yet to use.
All in vain, as they take out two at the cost of WS who dies last.
So he gets all that juicy experience,
three deaths for the carry moir to Mr. Pure.
I actually think that's the best case scenario for WS there, is to get the kill with Double Edge and immediately die.
You're going to return to lane with full resources.
As you mentioned, nobody gets experience on the Radiant, and they will have to double TP bottom to lane here.
Pure cannot be left alone whatsoever, and as it turns out, might even need even more help than just the Jekiro.
With Enix being this free to move, because a bad end can just solo lane easily against Baru Hoodwink.
Yep, but as you said, as this first power rune is denied by R8, BGM is struggling in the mid lane, 14 CS, 16 and 6 versus 33 and 15, this is uh...
I don't think this lane should go this poorly for Tinker, I have to say, I know it's Viper favorite but...
This is a domination.
Remember, Lornoff, I believe it was the last Viper game he played, it was actually not
a good performance for him, one of the few poor performances of the tournament.
We cast one game where he was smashed and we cast one game where he was owning it.
Oh yeah, he picked a game 1 and 3, right?
Yeah, and he did it well when he ran it back, but he had one very bad game for
sure.
Alright, it's time to contest some Wisdoms for good ol' Keorian Nightfall.
There's the HATER stack there as well, 33 is going to be forced out completely.
In fact, Mike just ticked out, attempting to TP, but the heck?
And he will get Sun Raid into Oblivion, and this should be a Wisdom for Aurora.
What?
Whitemon gets the other one, so it ends up being a trade regardless.
Now, about Tinker, this hero's ability to farm is heavily tied to three-spat on the
mountain.
Plant the tree to try to get some fog there.
And he killed his courier, which had the old helm of Tyrely, and he actually gets the
courier confused with his set as well.
Understandable.
And Lornoff's healing, a stat here.
Yeah, so this is what I was going to talk about with Tinker.
There are three spots when you're playing Tinker that are important.
It's the one Loranoff was just at.
It's the left side of the map with the two camps by the very edge of the map.
Whether you're playing, if you're radiant, you're playing the left side with those
two camps.
And then it's close to the mid-radiant tier two where there's also two camps.
Those three duos of camps, you want to farm every minute to whatever extent possible
because both can be hit by the same march.
And as a counterplay, what the enemy team can try to do is capture there or put sentries
to block the camps.
So far you can see there's one radiant sentry on the left most side of the map opening up
those two because they want to make sure that BZM has access to this to farm out these stacks
of which Aurora has only made one singular one themselves.
Mira.
RET being in.
The calling is used.
Well, let's be pretty effective on to Mira.
Whitemon trying to run to the north is going to get dived on, who's stomping.
Not going to be you actually.
Decent amount of damage there.
They end up trading the supports as pure getting hounded by nightfall making one of his patented early rotations at least the last six months version of nightfall not able to finish the job though.
They find a 33 he still has primal split though so they get the hex and they actually stun lock and absolutely not that means Aurora on the run.
Mero would be the easiest kill.
A photic shield.
A photic shield applied to him right now.
As Jure there with a dead shot, not gonna hit though, big laser coming in, WS super low, the dual breath comes through and he pops.
Eventually, as Lornoff looks to be next on the list of Nightfall, he's gonna continue to try to go on top of Jure, there's gonna be another death for the carry on the tundra side.
They're gonna dive on the BZM under the cover of the tier 1 tower, the Phoenix Egg buying some space for Nightfall.
Gonna run into the fire and the flames as Whitemon will pop to the aphotic shield.
What looked like a good fight for Tundra initially ends up being pretty good for Aurora in the end.
I think that's more or less a draw.
Three for four in terms of total casualties, but Aurora do get to do some structural damage.
And yeah, it's...
You're seeing the snowball effect of what happened to Muerta in a 1 and 2, where if Pure has Ulti here, this is a totally different situation.
But, he's just so far behind on the Karamuerta.
And this indeed does look very good for the Radiant, however Tinker is not the strongest hero right now, so he needs more time before he gets to critical mass.
If they can at least somewhat draw sides like this from Thunder for a while, perhaps he will get there, but of course it's not ideal that he ends up dying in the fight himself.
I'll take care of him.
Absolutely.
They are hounding him.
He gets shackled into another death.
Killing spree for Nightfall.
Fifth death for Pure.
He's level 5 in at 11 as Carrie.
That is unheard of in this patch.
Pretty much the worst Carrie's part.
I think we've seen with the exception of...
Who was it? We passed the game of earlier.
That was the mid laner shape that you're thinking of, right?
There was another game I think in the camp.
Oh it was Keratich. Oh yeah, Keratich is a bad end. Oh my god. That was worse than this I think.
The worst game I've ever seen. We've had a lot of worst of games.
That's been some rough ones, but I think that kind of goes to show just how polarizing games this patch can generate.
And I think a part of that is teams getting better and better at using the twin gates and understanding just when they can leave their
safe lane alone, the lower cost of gating down to 30 mana, you're seeing a lot more cross play on the map and that means if you're
winning one lane, you can...
Oh my god, they're coming around again.
That shot this time gives you some space that he desperately needs.
And he has an ult now.
as he does nightfall 3200 intense taker relic so probably doesn't want to get
into more fighting and the tower actually it's surprising that those
serpent boards didn't lead to that for Aurora
kind of a comeback hero do you think mortis she's actually a pretty good
comeback hero I think compared to a lot of other carries because she's still even
with relatively few items and a very big team fight impact. You know she has a
silent, she has a fear, she has heavy damage in the ult. The problem is more
how does the lineup come back with tinker and where to together? That's the
bigger issue I have here is perhaps the pacing. What's undrilledly difficult. I
think anything short of a solid performance for 33 is probably not
going to win this game because the brewmaster has a ton of
responsibility, but there's also some possible pitfalls, like you can die in
Shadow Sheldon's X-Shackles combo. Sunray does a lot of damage to you, so he has
to be very careful and wise about his item build. Currently has the Midas, I'm
guessing he's gonna go Axe with that. We've almost seen two builds from him
really. One was Midas into Axe and the other one was Orchid Rush against
Weaver
Yeah, he's spotted
They're gonna steal this backs of the ancients
That's in the meantime it's gonna get bush whacked with easy in there at the laser sure sure does hit him right in the butt
But this can feed the safety
Something I have noticed for Tundra, even though 33 did use his ult, I feel like a lot of the games, he doesn't use his ult for like the first 20 minutes.
But then he hits like this critical mass point where you can't ignore him anymore.
Yeah. I think he uses his ult out of necessity mostly on this hero.
If he gets ganked then he needs to use it to survive or counter play or if his team reeling out.
Tifle just TP'd in here, Mira.
Gonna be shadowing him.
Still has his ult of course.
Still no Radiance, still has to get the Shackle on to 33.
He has the Primal Split.
Will activate it.
Dive from Kaori.
Looks like Whitemon's gonna burn up.
33 just using this Primal Split to survive.
If he can, Mira.
Gonna get hounded a bit by the Fire Panda.
This is one of the biggest strengths of a badden as a hero.
It's that you can't make that play into him.
It's just too difficult to kill in the tower.
You bring brew split and two supports, and he's still lived, he just keeps you in a little
bit of backup and he'll be okay.
But that might seem like a bad play for Tundra, but it's actually not as bad as you might
think.
Because you're effectively creating a ton of space from where to untinker, which I think
is the plan.
So just do what they can to force Aurora to move around the map and respond to their
plays so that the tinker and where to get a chance to get to the points they
need to be and that's going to come at the cost of some heroes and some cooldowns
once in a while you can't just yeah do nothing to make the enemy team respond to
you. Here goes the mid tower. EZM is getting there. That's now Eclipse the viper. Not the
best sign that they're closing that worth. This is usually Tinker wants to
be at decent amount ahead and also on the experience they're the same level
at 12. We've seen a couple of games from nothing to say in these playoffs
or in the second group stage where he was like three levels ahead at this point already.
Yep, just shows the state of affairs for Tundra, definitely on the back foot this game.
And will it get worse with the upcoming tournament in the next five minutes?
Pure and company.
They get the action going on to K.O. or East Vampide almost enough for him to get that dive off.
Either way, a good pick off for Tundra.
33 has had the Midas for a bit now. Halfway to his agonist scepter.
Nice.
What's that?
It's a kegger.
It is.
What is a kegger again?
I know what a kegger is, so a kegger would be a party with a kegg, right?
Was it really that simple? I think so.
I will say I didn't really party too much in college syndrome, so I don't really have experience firsthand.
There's a shocking revelation.
But I've seen movies before.
Unlike some people.
I didn't see the movies, but I had the craziest parties you can imagine.
Yeah, that explains the brain damage.
So, 12-7 advantage here for Aurora.
With a 3K lead.
It's not growing though.
It's kind of fat-nating a bit over the last two minutes.
I'll take another tower here, but comes at the expense of their own bottom tier one that
Ari was able to claim of all heroes in the hoodwing.
How common to see that happen.
We're going first.
Trying to look for a backstab.
On to a gas pool.
You'll never guess it.
Could it be a pure?
He has pierced the veil, they see him, and it's like a pack of hyenas circling their prey.
He dead son, nightfall gets the kill.
That is death number six.
He had just overtaken the centaur and farm and Aurora is like, no, no, no, no, no.
Time to get back down there where you belong.
Now you're going to blink dagger for nightfall.
A pure is working on Silver Edge which would be an insane item to scan for a couple of reasons.
First of all you can break a pattern and then they have the silence of the calling so he himself will be able to solo the hero with enough damage or any sort of stun.
He will cap the movement speed of everybody in the enemy team from stampeding, including
Centaur, of course, and he can also break the Viper.
So just an S tier item for this game, it doesn't get much better than this, but of course,
he's far behind, so he would have liked to have it like that, and we're not even
close to it.
Yeah, even when he gets it, he's not going to be that scary until he gets a DPS item
to couple it with.
Tinker now with level 15, so that's the laser talent, and he is working on Kaia Sange that
he has into bags.
So no defensive approach for the beginning for BZM.
The rushing right now is already looking for a sharpshooter.
We'll be using in the pit.
It hits a random bird.
It's like Randy Johnson out there, Cinderella.
That's right.
That's my favorite movie.
That's a roast ticket, huh?
Randy Johnson was a pitcher in baseball for the Arizona Diamondbacks and he threw a pitch
so fast and so hard, and there was a bird that was flying right by him, just killed
the bird right then and there.
Man, his eye-pass is a-
The famous moment, of course, got depicted in the movies called, you know, the movie.
I didn't hear what you said, I just laughed at instinct.
A good instinct.
My mods are gonna be burned out.
Ags now for 33, what'd you say?
It doesn't matter.
Dammit.
You're left though so it's good enough.
It was of course funny.
I'm sure it was, yeah.
Alright, torment's coming up.
30 seconds away.
Aurora, this should be a total 3B.
You've got Aegis on Viper.
It's all spells available except Shaman Awards.
There is literally zero chance Tundra can take that fight.
that fight. They could try with split because he has axe and level 12 but their position
on the map is just too weak. I have to run all the way up the lane and then we'll definitely
be too late so. See what Aurora choose to do about it, they're not really going for
it for now. We're chilling around the map and now they're going to travel up there
with Viper. Kori would absolutely love this shard. Lornoff has axe by the way so
nose dive already, since he wants it on Phoenix it will go to Shaman. Yeah, everyone's lost
to 50-50 so far and it ends here. That's what you're talking about. The curse is broken,
Aurora, get an S tier support shard. Now BGM with Agnus Scepter so the laser will shrink.
Fatty McFaddy's back into submission.
Looks like Tundra want to fight despite not having this Aegis Miro he's gonna tank this
game real hard.
There's the Sharpshooter kill.
Notice the thing did not go off this time.
Stunnerent Stampede on the run, Knife Vault finds the distance.
Meanwhile, my first strike though, Nose Dive as well, Jakiro's taking a lot of damage.
He's gonna burn up Knife Vault.
It's really low, has to use the ult, trying to pursue pure, but he's pretty damn fast.
And BZM now with the laser, these are stacking up, that's the Aegis down and out.
He's been a bad shot.
A lot of spells.
Serpent Ward's gonna trap the Muerta inside, try to get on the outskirts, but the double edge and the right clicks with Lornapp are too much to handle.
Double kill for the Viper.
Knifeball just barely living here.
33, horses up to the high ground.
into the treeline attempting to TP but they have a shackle for days bring down
the off laner this nightfall will burn them off with the radiant oh long
off barely got the wisdom can you get it out of here probably not that's pretty
costly yeah that's not worth it definitely not a little bit greedy there
young man it still is overall a nice win for Aurora I would say Aurora okay
doing that again now I see something about the way you say it yeah glad you're
finding stuff to focus on improve your life so you can see a 4k lead when the
fight begins and as of now it's up to about five and a half and the key thing
is this jump from Mira sure you're gonna lose a couple toward the end but
getting the kill on them where to I say a couple it was actually only the
viper that was the final kill here all the way on the left which is
completely disconnected from the type itself.
It's a nice Tumblr story play, but no dagger
can get out any further.
By the way, I didn't see any messages about this since we were talking about the other game,
but we saw the interaction again with the sharpshooter.
This time it didn't overkill.
Exactly. This time it didn't get the kill itself.
That's interesting.
It's very random too.
Probably not how it should work are you getting pursued kori finds a son rank kill
6k lead for aurora
This is gonna be a test of patience now
We've seen plenty of tinker games of this nature with nothing to say where his team is suffering
And then he reaches
Some sort of insane spike in the later portion of the mid game and really turns things around
But they also, generally speaking, craft lineups differently for him than I would say tons
or two in this one.
So, there's a bit- the main thing for me when you look at the really good tinker games where
everything just comes together, you just want to have a lot of stuns and slows.
I think, yeah.
You just need enough heroes, you need people to stand in front of you and press stuns
and you will kill everything.
But they don't really have that.
You have brew split, which eventually is kind of weak and only has one miner stun.
You don't have any secondary frontliner.
So, it's good to be...
You talk about building around a player, I feel like 33 is usually that player.
Yeah.
I'm not typically busy now.
This lineup also isn't really built around brew, so it's a little bit of a mixed bag
perhaps that's why Tundra are struggling to
things together
but if nothing else it's not getting worse for now
the goal of course will be to get BGM to this BKB so that he can stand in the middle of the fight and just mash his buttons
face roll the keyboard, hold the enemy dies
Nifle has Orcid, so Brumaster, once his BKB comes up that is for the Tinker,
the Brumaster is going to be Prime Pickens, until he can get something to counter it.
Pure as well.
If they can get the damage to burn Throne before he gets the Ult off.
Finally gets the Silver, right now. This is an important timing for Tundra.
This is the best item of the game for them potentially.
They get to use it correctly.
Imagine you take a fight and you get a surprise jump on a baton
who's going to feel invincible right now, but...
It's a correct execution. He is killable and you can see they're already planning something down here with Brumas or Imposition.
With Arryn Whitemon as well, they want to find a flank.
Just make one shot with Shell, but...
...Carrar dies away.
Obviously with Tinker being level 19, he has friends to travel onto.
Mira? Okay.
Okay, they get the initiation onto the Jekiro, basically killed off right away.
Now to turn around on Tamira, Bonaccio into the stampede. Is he actually going to stay alive here? 33's firefanda dies.
33 trying to, the tinker rather, trying to TP in, has to cancel it now on top of the moira to whose ornate hat melt, by the way.
Get the defense matrix.
Aurora, running out of steam in terms of their initiation.
That's another primal split. So yeah, definitely Aurora favored here.
Got a full Bloodthorn.
Not really going to feel all that optimistic on the side of Tundra about an upcoming fight right now.
Oh yeah, Nightfall. Wanting to go for BKB.
Not always the case for the Abbey.
This could still... still fall into... oh never mind, I can still reach the creep, now it's not gonna do it.
Alright, they get the Ward Expedition, they see a Jekiro, BGM instantly stops his TP.
You are dead, my twin-headed dragon friend.
Down Aether Lens, for the Shadow Shaman, Laser-Know into the Sion to actually get the break and the kill onto the Abaddon,
just like they planned Cinderan, and now the ATOS with the lasers continuing, but the egg from above is gonna stop them in their tracks.
That is exactly the scenario you brought up.
Eventually, if you find that moment of opportunity, it's huge.
Now, the fortunate thing here for Aurora is that Roche is 50 seconds away, so they will respond for it.
But yeah, you can tell why Nightfall wants a BKB here because this is a major problem.
Woah.
They have no saves, except the potential acts of Phoenix against this problem, so he has
to solve it himself.
There's no other way.
Stampede doesn't work here because he's brought in a bushwhack.
Did he get the kill with Sharp Shooter on the roster, I guess?
I'm just so, so just mechanic.
Aye.
He got the kill.
It looked like it killed him.
So I'm so confused how this works now.
I don't get it.
Maybe it's different when Shaman has shard.
Can we look at that highlight again?
OK, there is a possibility that Shaman having shard
changes it somehow because it's a separate ability
when you have shard or whatever.
Oh, I see.
And we look at it again.
What's not meant as a can we look at who's
going up close?
Although I know there's a big fan base out there
I love that. Love this hero.
There comes Cairo. Hello, Cairo. How are you doing?
Pay attention to the bot side. Rasta here.
Boom, that kills him. Just straight up kills him.
I'm flabbergasted. I don't get it.
We should. Okay, after this game, you're going to forget, and I'm going to forget, but I'm going to say it anyway.
Let's go into a test lobby and just try that.
What if it has to do with which slot he is in the game?
No, because of the tick thing.
Yeah, ticks from...
I think we're over it.
I think there's something more basic, a user error.
We're probably just very stupid,
which wouldn't be the first and the last time.
That's right.
All right, we got a pause for headphones.
Hello, Largo.
What are we doing?
We see you.
Who are you pointing at?
Why do they have...
Can we have Largo on a bike please for this pause?
I'll be great.
There it is, and the ramp is coming on the bottom left, he's going to go for a trick
shot jump. Oh, what a six. Wow. Define the loss of gravity there. Whoa. Oh, 720, Tony
Hawk Pro Skater six. You know who Tony Hawk is, but not Randy Johnson. Yes, Tony Hawk,
also very famous actor. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ethan Hawk. Yeah. So you're thinking
No, I was thinking of Tony Hawk when I said Tony Hawk I do think about what you know in the show the one show that you watched
Which is?
Stranger things I've watched more shows. There's a there's a woman in the show. That's the daughter of Ethan Hawk. Did you know that?
Did you know that no, I don't really
You know who Uma Thurman is yes, that's also her daughter. Oh, okay
They got together, you see, that's how it works.
They spawned a creature.
That's very strange.
That turned into a very good actor that was on kind of a meh show, but I think she'll have
a good career.
I think she's a good actor, at least.
So much character she's playing.
I don't remember her name.
Yeah, don't remember her name.
That's unfortunate.
Now I have to Google this now. It's going to bother me.
Go ahead and talk about the game real quick.
I'm just looking at some neutral items with the observers here. We're chilling. We're
having a good time over here while we're looking up actors that apparently don't exist.
Robin Buckley, this one.
Oh, she's playing Robin.
Oh, okay.
So this is Ethan Hawks in the room.
I'm sure I recognize this person.
Oh, yeah, okay.
in predestination great movie he was also in uh gattaca great movie before it's time heard about
those movies before i'm sure you have two seconds before i don't know what you do all day if you
watched any of these play games yeah how does it where's that got you right it's been okay oh canada
coming in on the right hand side here wait canada cheated though team canna whoa that's insane
Come on, yo, where's the house?
That's amazing.
Alright, so anyway, there's going to be a subset of people that are angry.
We're not talking about the game during a pause.
Believe you me, they exist, so let's get back on track here.
So what's your favorite movie?
Yeah, Ethan Hawks' Post Gator.
Oh, yeah, I love that one. That's good. Now, BKB. Oh, that's an early BKB for a Centaur.
It actually hasn't completed. He just needs the couriers for a while.
That's a little surprising.
It's really good against Tinker and Morta. You need this as a mitigation.
Six minutes left. This is a very complicated headset, I have to say.
It's probably wireless. They're not worth it in my experience.
Oh yeah, let's stay on there so we can hear that sound.
Can we... If you're gonna show a hero, I think you know which hero I'd like to see.
Yeah.
That's right.
That's not it.
No.
Yeah, that's the hero we want to see, yawning in the middle of the screen.
My hero.
Keep going.
No.
Incorrect.
Oh!
Looks like Hedwig.
Yeah, that's good.
Can I go WC?
Can I go to the Whaling Caverns, asks Pure?
What is that?
That's a dungeon in World of Warcraft.
What's WC?
Wailin' Caverns.
There it is. Look at this.
It's the water closet, Shannon. You should know this. You're an American.
Water closet, yeah. It's nobody calls it that.
What country is that from?
They call it water closet. Is that UK?
I think WC is the short for toilets. Very normal in all of Europe.
Just Europe in general.
Not all of Europe, but a lot of Europe.
I see a lot of fart signs up here. That's not bathroom label.
No, that's true.
Oh, there's the ramp everybody get ready for the car. Oh shit. We need the curling stone to come up here
We go. Oh shit. Who's that? Oh?
Evil luck guard Largo I couldn't think of a good spot there. Oh, there it comes. Yeah
And it's out
Curling would be pretty cool if we played it with ramps
I don't know, but I've never actually watched curling if I'm being honest
Okay, you know the people that complain the traditional sports people that complain that
Esports isn't a sport and like what about curling and then they shut the fuck up. That's because
Curling is really cool
No
Hi everybody
We haven't done a podcast in a while syndrome. They want to start up
Well, we don't really have time because I think they only have five minutes left
Let me get some water. I'm sure they can extend it for this podcast.
Four minutes left. Cheers. Okay, let's see. I don't want your cup.
I'm saying cheers.
Geez, I don't know how to have anything left.
Who cares?
I do.
Oh, yeah.
What do you think?
What do you think the problem is with his headset that takes five minutes?
It didn't look like it's wireless.
out of batteries
it wasn't my illness though, was it?
how do you know?
I think we saw a camera shot of him where he is
okay then cat chewed it
that's happened to me before
while you're playing a game your cat just walks in and eats the cable
no, sometimes they chew it
right, and then it's
it's on a thread basically
and then as you're playing you tug it a bit and boom
disconnects completely
and then you need five minutes to plug it back in
well no, like I'm not saying the...
I'm seeing the threaded in the middle of the wire, so it literally disconnects from the wire.
Oh, I see. So you think he's fixing the wire?
No, you can't. That's not...
So he's going to the store?
Yeah. I don't even think he... he's probably trying to uber it.
These players are very incompetent syndrome.
Okay. I'd love to hear that.
I know from experience, of course.
You know, I learned some things getting into this industry at an old age of 25.
That's when we started doing Dota stuff.
The perspective is very important. Having a job being completely miserable, it actually
builds characters. I've met so many people in this industry that have never had a real
job and may turn out to be piles of garbage. A lot of them are pro players, believe it
or not.
Didn't you used to be a pro player?
Yeah, and I'm a pile of garbage.
I'm sorry, what?
Now I'm a pile of garbage.
I mean that remains to be seen.
Did you have a job?
Very short amount of time.
How long?
Not enough that it's worth noting.
Oh, I'm a wizard.
I'm a cowboy.
Great there, buddy.
Tell you what.
Where do they get all these assets so fast?
What's the deal with this shit?
Oh, shit.
Two minutes left, ladies and gentlemen.
With a long five minutes, I'll tell you what.
Your time is running out, Nightfall.
Soon, your headphones must be plugged in.
Dream League for the next dream league that we're invited to, could we please have like
a miniature basketball hoop up here?
Oh, so you can dunk on players?
I just, no.
I want to shoot.
It's more fun than dunking, because you can't dunk for real, that's the only time
that would be actually satisfying.
But just being able to shoot while we're having pauses and whatnot?
The problem is you would...
Huh?
Oh, shoot.
The problem is...
There it is!
Dunk it!
Behind the backboard, what a beast.
The problem is if we install that up here, I think you can't focus on the game,
because if there's one thing you like more in life than Dota, it is basketball.
You can't distract yourself.
That's right.
That's the thing I've learned is when you love something so much, you end up hating it.
You ever run into that issue?
Yeah.
You do.
Very frequently with Dota.
Just Dota.
Yeah.
Do you love anything as much as Dota?
Yes.
What?
My girlfriend.
Humans don't count.
Oh.
Probably not.
You're a dog, you idiot!
Oh, so you're allowed to say pet?
Of course!
Okay, my dog.
God, what?
Poor Onion.
He named his dog Onion for God's sake.
Oh, I did it.
God awful name is that.
It isn't Onion.
It is Onion!
It's the Danish word for onion, which is different.
Okay.
It's very different.
It's still onion.
That's not how it works.
When you think of an, like, if you're eating something that has an onion,
you're thinking you're, think of your dog every time?
No, I don't.
You should.
He's delicious.
See, that's the difference between you and me.
I can, I can separate things and concepts.
I can think on a higher level.
No, I have a cat named Monkey.
Every time I see a monkey, even an ape,
which is very often than Dota Pubs.
Why did you name your cat Monkey?
I think of my cat because she's awesome.
I love monkeys.
Yeah, OK.
I love onions.
Yeah, well, you can't disagree with that.
You can't argue with that, I guess.
Right, that's best.
One minute left.
It's a long two minutes.
What is the issue?
Nightfall hits phones kind of broke.
Actually, that's an interesting thought experiment,
Cinderella.
Oh, it looks like Tundra are using their paws
to help Aurora, as usual.
So you used to be a pro player about a million years ago.
If you lose your sound, how big of a deal is that?
Now, let's just say, for argument's sake, which I don't think
is the case here, that you're in the same room as everybody.
So you can still hear everybody talking.
Because that's the biggest part of the game, obviously.
You lose the sound, though.
How big is that?
That's really big.
How big?
You're saying I can hear my teammates in the room,
but I can't hear Dota sound.
Correct. That is a very big problem on certain heroes and in certain games.
Okay, what about this game?
For Nightfall?
I think it's pretty important that he can immediately hear that he's getting still red.
Yes, I was literally going to bring that exact sound cue up.
Yeah, it's pretty bad.
So he's fucked. That's what you're saying.
He'll find a way.
You think so?
They said his headphones kind of broke, so maybe he has sound on one ear,
then it just needs to close the other ear.
Is there a way to hook up your phone?
Okay, another thought.
If you hooked up your phone to your computer to make the sound come out of your phone, surely
you could do that.
So you can actually hear the sound, it's just gonna sound like dog shit on your phone.
I don't know how you hooked that up.
You mean you plug in your phone with USB and then you play sound through?
I'm not saying it's like Bluetooth or some garbage.
I'm sure it's possible.
That's probably a way.
I think that might be what Nightfall is looking into in these five minutes.
and I make my phone play my Dota sound.
His manager is running to the closest electronic store to get a headset.
No doubt.
$10 headset.
I'm sure they have earbuds or something.
These pro players are always not listening to things that are educational.
They're listening to music, at least, surely.
I'm trying to figure out what it means.
What is he saying?
He's got two chargers in this model and the second one is not working for some
reason.
So it ran out of batteries.
Why do headphones need two chargers?
It's a backup, maybe.
So the backup fails.
Or it's just heavy duty.
He has the best sound in the whole world.
He must.
I mean, that might explain a lot with the whole night falling away.
Maybe he hears things.
He can hear the future.
He can hear things before they happen.
So the BKBTP, which is always the perfect play for nightfall.
Now, this tournament, he's had the least amount of nightfalls versus other pro players, I feel like.
So you think that's because his headphones have been half broken that he cannot hear the...
No, I'm saying there's a correlation between him not nightfalling and winning games.
Would you agree with that?
Yes, because generally when he BKBs TP's out, it's because he's losing fights.
And if he's doing it less, he's probably winning them.
Yeah, that's a little too logical for me, I think.
Yeah, I'm sorry, that was very advanced.
Let's hope we have a conversation about that,
but we just shut it right down, huh?
He is back in game.
Without sound, he has something.
He's got a present for you.
And that present is?
Hold.
I'm waiting.
It's nothing.
Oh, he got eliminated.
Oh.
Okay, they're still asking how much time they have.
Still trying to fix it.
There's a basketball hoop.
No ball this time, though.
Oh, there it is.
Oh, I got it wrong.
You know, bring that back up.
We talked about this on the podcast.
So you know that aphantasia thing where you can't envision things?
People sometimes can't picture it.
I can envision things in my mind.
But I told you this.
I cannot envision, in my head, a basketball going through,
like if I shoot it in my head, I can never swish it.
I have to like force it in somehow.
That's because in your life experience,
you've never hit the basket.
So you can't imagine what it looks like.
That's nothing else.
I know that I'm morbidly obese right now.
That is not what this is about.
Out of shape.
I understand that.
This is about technique.
I used to be very good at basketball.
This is about the best.
I used to be a great athlete.
Really?
I scored 52 points in a game once.
That's a lot of points, I think.
And then the next year, somebody introduced me to Half-Life, and then I became fat, and
then I didn't make the basketball team.
And then I got, went on the Pepsi One diet, lost on my weight of course.
Shout out to Pepsi One.
And then became a gamer for life, you know.
And then you got into Counter-Strike.
Yeah, I did.
That was much later.
What position did you play in basketball?
Basketball?
Shooting guard, of course.
I just chucked them up there.
I had the worst form, too.
And then I changed it to be correct form and then I got worse.
When you scored 52 points, did you play against people of your own age?
Yeah, I played against the second best player of our school actually. He got destroyed.
Yeah, and everybody else on that team was just trashed. So it was you versus him.
No, it wasn't. It was like a 3v3. 11-3s in a row, 15 overall. I remember it perfectly.
Yeah, I can tell. It's must have been...
15-3s in a game, Cinder.
Can we use TeamSpeak on phone? You see? They're actually using my strat. They're going to use a phone.
That's actually smart, so he won't be able to hear Dota, but he can hear TeamSpeak. That's a big deal.
It is?
This is a Grand Finals game.
It is. This is a completely unprecedented problem. I've never experienced this in however many games I have played and cast.
I've never experienced somebody struggling to get their sound to work for 15 minutes straight.
It's quite incredible.
They don't have earbuds? I don't understand.
I guess there's just no solution
It's Sunday afternoon the stores are closed
Well, that was close to me being that might be my first belch on camera
Of course I belched off-camera before with Jenkins once yeah at a dream league not too long ago
Very celebrated because the mute button didn't work. That wasn't my fault. I remember this
Wait, wasn't it with Kesa? Was it? It was it was Jenkins. I remember because we had just eaten a very large meal
both struggling to cast that game. Good times, good times. What's your worst cast of all time?
I don't know. That wasn't your worst cast of all time, though. It was probably your best.
By your optics, that was probably my best. No, that was a great one.
I don't know. I remember one of the hardest games I've ever had to cast.
The hardest is to talk when one team is playing against old techies and they have nothing.
Because the one team had effectively 20% of the map and the rest was mined.
And it was like, wow, they can go out and die or they can stay. Those were the options. There was nothing. There was no depth to it.
I think it was at the Frankfurt. It was, why'd it have been ESL one Frankfurt actually? It was Old Secret. They were playing Tiny Techies.
Over an hour a game, I assume.
No, I think it wasn't even that long. I think it was like 40 minutes. I think they played against the Southeast Asian team and they destroyed the lanes.
And then they had, I think maybe it was Zai playing old Tekkis or whatever, and they just
mined the whole map.
Zai?
Yeah, I think it might have been Zai.
I don't remember him playing Tekkis at all.
I mean, I could be wrong.
Maybe I'm mixing two players together, but I do think it was, it was around that time
here.
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Oh, that will pause immediately.
Oh, yeah, back to the back.
Good.
go and the nightfall instantly paused, but he's just kidding.
We're going.
Yep, we're all good.
We're back.
And we might have some action right off the bat.
I don't remember what heroes were in this game.
Lord, I was going to pop BKB.
That's it.
Oh, nightfall.
A 15 minute pause for that shit.
He got out though.
He did.
Very good.
So just to get back on track here,
nightfall has to get BKB because if he gets broken
and silenced by Muerta, who could do both,
He's dead!
Yeah, and imagine silencing him.
He's already muted.
That took him a moment.
It's all good, though.
Oh, we got a smorgasbord.
Smorgasbord, action!
Oh, the calling is beautiful!
With the laser to follow, and I still
stomp though into the stampede.
Pure as in a lot of trouble.
He's the first to die!
Subway somehow, Tundra, lose their carry right off the bat.
And now the max, exodus can't speak
after that riveting podcast.
Nightfall on the high ground.
He's going to be able to take out R.E.
Larnov's got run down though.
They're going to lift him in the air with 33 W.S.
They're going to buy back on the J'Kyra as well.
Three dead for Aurora.
BZM is just going ham now.
The lasers after laser.
Warp flare after laser.
This is a dead Abaddon to follow all of this.
Somehow after losing work to start the fight,
Tundra clean up easily.
Yeah, this pairing of Brumaster Tinker
is starting to be a problem.
BZM can always connect on the brew split.
He just TP's in, isolates Viper with Tinker to what the end of that.
And as you pointed out, where it's a barely even plate to fight here, you're gonna see the replay.
So, never got the ulti off on Puri, he got a hack-calling.
Into stun, into a bad end.
Yeah.
He's silenced until he dies.
Once he gets BKB, things will change, but not really quite there yet.
He wants to get the pike first.
He won't, however, likely have an Aegis to work with.
He even wanted on him at this point?
I think he did.
Tinker is relatively safe in this game, I would say.
And if Pierre has to die twice, he's likely getting at least his ulti off and buying some
much needed time in fights, so...
Yeah.
Okay.
Alright!
So, sound looks like not having sound might be an issue!
Or not, we'll just blame that on the sound, of course.
Yeah, we don't even know what the state is for him now.
No.
There was no problem.
And we get a camera on him.
I can't tell because his hair covers everything is that in ears
Not sure I've been maybe found some Bluetooth in ears
He has Bluetooth in ears confirmed
Yep, there it is and the wireless of course because why not as the tormentor taken 33 gets the shard and this game is
equalized
Roar a bit out of rhythm after that very long pause, Gaven struck down on Nightfall's headphones.
Now they're paying the price.
Hurricane Pike almost done for Pure.
Still fourth in net worth.
He has had maybe his worst game that we've seen, but they're still in it, two and
eight.
Yep.
But they are still in it big time.
Good thing that Tinker's having a good game.
If they were both having bad games, this would probably almost already be over.
Yeah, I mean, BZM also didn't get off to a good start, but he definitely recovered.
Yeah.
This very early game was very tough, but now it's pretty stable, and this is starting
to look like a really good Tinker game going forward now.
on seems to be a hex hasn't been the preferred choice of most thinker games
this tournament we did see it once which I was surprised by but yeah
ages for another three minutes what can they get out of this they got two tier
two is left for Thunder to take.
I think they don't have to do anything except farm.
Like if they can use this Aegis to stop Aurora from running at them for five minutes, they'll take it.
They need to get to this BKB and the game gets a lot easier.
Or if my pick-ups like this.
Yep, the lasers are coming.
Ice patch with the macro fire.
He will pop the BKB in retreat.
Atos gonna cancel the TP onto the Rasta.
And now, I think if the sun rays, Kaori?
No, they're not gonna stick around.
This will be a freebie eventually onto the shadow shaman primal split out of the high ground to get the lift
Lauren off in the air. Meanwhile nice calling into the dead shot. They silence Kaori forever. Too dead
Both have buyback here
If the spell isn't just a moment Viper back into he actually does pop the BKV in time
Will nose dive in and just take out the jikiro in turn now here in company on the run the night fall away for BZM
We're gonna get maybe another support, that's still very good news for Tundra, both will
be back up with about a minute left on this Aegis.
Yeah, it's definitely not a bad trade to lose two supports to force two Vibex there, seems
well worth it.
You know now in the upcoming fight that if you were to find either support you'd get
a man advantage.
Alright, nullifier for Lornaff and he can actually get close with that nosedive.
So defense matrix there still is the BKB to worry about them have to get through that as well
They're gonna try to get the 5v3 moment still a just up on pure
And he might oh
Johnson to get the hex onto the primal or the brewmaster rather but he's able to get off the primal split
I followed the BKB
Pierce the veil activated on pure to be able to do some damage a nice dead shot onto the viper
And that's who they're gonna focus now just in a horrible spot is Lauren off
That's the death of him they get the Cyclone as well onto Mira taken out by the sharp shooter. Oh
Easy I'm gonna continue here gets the warp flare, but so I'll be able to continue any further
We're at the basically out of man at BZM another warfler with the hex set up
going to continue raiding these but the Lotus is going to reflect pure gets a
little bit damage gets the break they're going to go high again they're trying to
take him out WS get the BKB with the double legend of some of pure is going
to be fine the WS will walk away as well. This tier 2 certainly going down
in Tundra's favor their Aegis about to expire
We are getting what they need though.
There's the sound of the horn.
They just gone.
They want to try to steal the wisdom and looks like they will be successful in this 5v3.
They're getting another tier 2.
Going for the full set here.
This is going to give BZM level 25.
So likely going to see...
Okay, took the A.R.E laser actually.
Is that surprising?
Uh, we've seen both so far in this tournament.
hacks or flare laser and the pipe into retreat you're not close by basically
need him to get the kill on to the Fabby that is Centaur
tundra 4k lead now no more ages to one advantage here in the grand finals
for Tundra. And there is the BKB. That is a big one because I feel like a lot of his
deaths will be avoided or would have been avoided with this BKB for sure.
There's very few problems now. You just put defense matrix on him, he pumps BKB if he
becomes the target. They have other defensive measures of course between their saves with
Glimmer for Steph and whatnot.
So Aurora, you have to be very decisive, but the problem is your lineup doesn't have burst.
Kori is going to not die. He gets off the egg just in time.
They can turn it around at all.
Viper strike onto the Muerta, will pop the ult, gets pushed off though, and now the prime will split.
Knife flow. Gonna get tagged to the tree. Can they make him use his ultimate?
Gonna get broken, will pop the ult eventually.
If they can turn this around, it has the big pickup potentially now onto the tinker.
They get him trapped in the wards.
Down goes BZM.
Pure with a TP.
The nightfall, in fact, is it enough?
No.
They have the damage to get through him.
He does not have buyback here.
Aurora getting two huge kills.
Finally.
This could be big center.
If this is a fast roche, it's a minute away from potentially spawning.
They need to get very lucky, but finally, they find and kill Tinker.
What I was about to say is that the amount of burst damage that Aurora have is kind of negligible.
They don't kill heroes that fast.
They're usually, the radiant will be able to get their saves off for each other,
and that's why Muerta can't really be bursted anymore.
But if the fight's dragged out long enough and Tinker's BKB expires,
you find the lockdown.
They have lots of disable, they just need enough time on the key target to kill them.
They found that there on BZM, mid tower, definitely going to be claimed here and they get more
there.
They're thinking about Rax Bottom.
Yeah, Lornav has Shard.
He gets fun rate up, another 30 seconds for the death timer on BZM, a very deep ward
here for the Rasta.
Sharp Shooter not going to hit.
They might have to get this up if they don't want to expend a buyback.
The Tinker's life is worth more than the Vivek here.
Or the Barracks, I mean.
Oh, double holstop into the Stampede!
Both of these supports are about to go down!
Indeed, that is against at least for one, no!
Yeah, they pop Ori in the end with the Bloodthorn.
Gonna try to exit now as they get the full set of Barracks.
Mira getting chased by the Brulings.
Tinker's back up and running.
Eggplaced, Thunray still continuing.
Rasta eventually is gonna go down here.
233.
Meanwhile, Viper is going to heal up quite a bit with that cheese, getting rooted continually by BZM as he forces Centaur into a horrific spot, but there's the BKB into the runaway.
Knifeball, getting chased by 33 who's all alone here, Taker's coming in as well. They really want to kill Knifeball. Doesn't have his ult anymore.
He's going to get put in the cart though! Can they get him out in time? Trying to find a maneuver through the trees looks like he's good to go.
picks up the batting room just for to get that extra shit in his pocket
Lower off with the nightfall right in front of nightfall on his team. Don't get confused
The first time we actually see the car carrying livestock it was
It was the hexed it was the piggy
And he picked up and drove drove away. He does have refresher on the batten. So maybe
Could have found a way out of it regardless
But yeah, this game is going to have ridiculous fights until it's over.
Two Bruce Blitz expended in that fight for a grand total of 48 seconds of primal split,
rather.
And with Phoenix dead for a minute, there should be an Aegis.
And this time, I'm leaning a little bit potentially more toward Tinker.
I think both are fine.
Oh, they're actually going to try to fight here, 33 with the blank Thunderflap.
You're not getting in here.
BKB zone?
We'll give it to Puree.
Yes, he does.
So Aegis, Cheese, Refresher, Shard, and Roche banner.
This is very, very big.
And they're also about to get Ags on Jekiro,
which will cause a lot more trouble.
BZM sees this room.
If GR sees this, yep.
Sure sees it.
How do you high ground though?
Is it just going to be some slow sieging with one primal split, or are you looking to kind
of pick off first?
You know for a fact there's still no buybacks on the enemy supports.
And as it turns out, nobody in the game has buyback except Tinker.
So every kill is really big, but obviously the information not available to the teams.
Now the support buybacks are coming back.
So Shaman will have his Phoenix and 200 golds.
The others though, they've got some way to go.
Oh, Pyrr doesn't have to buy that anymore, he actually did have it in his quick buy.
It's good for him.
Now he is ahead of Viper on net worth.
Wow, wait!
Well, you did get there eventually.
You get pure enough time.
Even with nine deaths to his name, he'll be packing a punch now.
But yeah, credit to BZM for the tundra side at least for keeping tundra in this game.
His knife all now has a basher and going through the bridge is tundra.
Well, this would be a great find if they could catch him in a hex or something.
Yes! Bushwack! Hex is there! Are you even going to use Pierce the Veil?
Are you going to pop the BKB Stampede?
He looks to be fine.
Yeah, not enough chain lock down. Can't refresh Hex anymore.
Oh.
Of course that's the version of Tinker.
It's for the best, isn't it?
Oh, Wafi still has a chain lock down.
You know, keep that for Tier V. Let's see it.
I mean, surely, surely he's gonna take the...
Deep-off duration?
I think he takes Timeless just because, right?
I don't think the item is so important, it's more about the enchantment.
But I guess he could just take a Timeless Curio?
I suppose? Like, how useful are these, even?
The Evasion on the Idol of Scree-off may be...
No, you go for the Tier V, VZM.
I know this guy, alright?
Mm-hmm.
He's gonna keep the Curio.
Have you ever...
Does it have BKB this time? No. I've never seen it before, so just answer your question.
He's gonna pop his cart to try to get away himself.
Nightfall pops the BKB and tries to run away.
He doesn't know the Nightfall maneuver despite being called Nightfall.
Laser onto the Centaur in a lot of trouble. He's dead.
No buyback either. Now the ag being focused by Pure.
Do they have enough right clicks? Yes!
Absolutely. The lasers are continuing as the ages finally use.
Bidak onto the roster is Lore off getting extremely low 33.
That's Primal Split number one.
Pure, and I try to focus as...
Private, uh, Brewmaster's stuck inside of the wars, they finally help him out of his snake prison.
Roche banner was quite here as well, and yeah, that's the issue.
The whole wave can't pick buildings at all.
And this tower will slowly take out the Roche banner.
And it's so far away.
Yeah, the waves need at least half a minute to get there.
And at that point, we're closing in on the respawned heroes once again, so maybe Tundra
can't really force this.
They did use their Aegis to get these kills and the 5-Ech on Mira, which by all means
this was a good result.
But can you get more?
Still some time.
30 seconds on Centaur might inspire them to go for this.
Oh, pure turn there.
Yes, despite dying so many times this game.
When's the last time you've seen Purette?
44 minutes with only these eyes on?
Yeah, that's actually insane.
He's not even 6-lot it.
This reminds me of Dota from a few years ago.
Very true.
Only you missed that.
They're not gonna push the envelope, it seems.
Or email for Zoomers.
Oh, Dr. Pure.
Yep, he has a bottle from Tinker.
That bottle is his sixth item now, and it is a beauty.
It's a good sixth item.
It sure is.
He still hasn't chosen.
I guess he's just going to bypass it.
Oh, so he would rather have Key Knight than Timeless.
I mean, it kind of makes sense, right?
Cast range is very, very good on Tinker.
Yep, that's true.
So, better than the spellamp and debuff duration for him.
Alright, this moment for Tundra or Aurora, excuse me, it has to work.
33, he's gonna pop the VKB, has the primal split, once it's over, there's the macro pyre with the agonist sector.
Deadshot is there as well. Pierce the veil doing work.
Egg goes off just in time, but they're still gonna be able to take it out.
And now the lasers continuing to rain as nightfall right in the midst of all of them.
Trying to take out the Jekiro. He'll get that, but is that all?
BZM now is gonna get the Hex off, just in time, where the bash comes out.
Nightfall, gonna get rooted, thanks to that short front tinker, but he's taking a lot of damage.
BZM getting focused and killed off, but he's gonna buy back because that's three dead for Aurora without any way to get back in the game.
Lowered off extremely low, but the focus is on this Avedon. They take out the Viper, they take out the Avedon.
A full team wipe costs two buybacks, there's only two buybacks for Aurora remaining.
This could be it.
Where to can push? Pretty damn fast.
Do they have a Solar Crest? They don't. They only have the Drum.
It's gonna make a difference for the pacing, but...
Be a minimum.
You're forcing the Bioback here.
They're gonna throne here, I think.
Absolutely.
Bioback for Lornoff.
Nightfall.
The only one left with one.
And they're going Tier IVs. They don't want to bother with the melee to get that refresh on the fortification.
He's gonna have to buy back here or this game is a hundred percent over. Yeah, they don't know about all the other back buyback status is
necessarily so they might not try to force the issue here
And they get the one tier four you're still focusing it the melee racks will go down
It gives a fortification available now for or they have three members
five versus three eight those hacks laser
Warp flare everything at their disposal forced out to keep the viper alive
Nifle in the midst of all of this, Nacropyr is going to slow him to a crawl.
Tier 4 is taken out completely. Nifle using one ultimate still has his refresher.
Ancient is exposed though and Nifle just getting kited completely
and the damage coming out from the where it is in stave.
33 continued to take a lot of pressure off with that primal split.
They get the fortification off.
Stampede available in two seconds when the Scentar is back up.
Pierce the veil is activated. The Rostlan is going to die again.
33 still focusing just on the Ancient despite the backdoor protection being there.
Actually that's the pipe being activated.
Now the PZF taking a ton of damage, he's about to go down, but the agents, Paul Spurs and Tundra have won DreamLeaks Season 28.
What a game.
Yeah, that was a very, very special game overall.
It had everything, it had a bad early game, it had some pretty critical issues, including a very long pause for headset, not a common sight.
Yeah, we had our podcast in between there, that was nice.
But overall, I mean, credit to Tundra for this game, right?
BZM got owned in lane, Pure got even harder in lane,
and they still, they stabilize, they buy enough time,
they get to the mid game, and ultimately,
the later portion of the game where they needed to,
before their lineup truly kicked off,
and this felt like a game that Aurora
could potentially have snowballed and won really quickly.
But a couple of key moments, Tundra did the right things
to stall things out and get across the finish line in the end. Well done.
EZM absolute beast this game. Hard carrying Tundra to the finish line to get here in position
to actually start doing damage. 33 obviously, I mean, all tournament long he has been their
player and he did not disappoint in this game 3 or game 4 rather. Going 5-2 and 17.
17 assist on the blue master doing probably the most building damage I would imagine
as well towards the latter stages of the game.
I mean, Aurora, shout out to them though, Cinderella.
We doubted them when the tournament started.
They showed up.
They absolutely showed up and played their hearts out.
It wasn't enough, though, as Tundra take Dream League.
Cheaper.
They do indeed.
Congratulations to them.
What a game this was.
I feel like this was.
This was, for the first 15 minutes, it seemed like it was Aurora's game to take
but the tenacity that Tundra showed gets them across the finish line at the end
and I want to highlight the point that Effie brought up just as we left the panels
like BGM on his Tinker Effie.
This is going to be a test because his success rate hasn't been that great
but I think he proved to us here that he's still got it.
Yeah, this is not one of his competitive heroes.
We looked up his win rate on this hero.
He has played up until this point.
14 games now, 15.
And he only had like a 36% win rate on it.
But that did not look like the case here.
He was such a natural.
I mean, there was a little bit of a hiccup in the leading
stage, but he completely popped off.
And then what a performance from him,
not just this game, but this entire tournament.
He has owned.
I feel like he's one of those players where you just like, he's been around for so long and he's been so good.
You just expect him to do well.
And he just keeps flying under the radar that way, but he deserves to be praised for sure.
This was a really nice way to win the entire tournament for Tundra, honestly, because it felt like the last two games
is something that could have broken their composure.
Um, it- I mean, maybe at the end you can break composure. That's totally okay.
But in the game, like it was not necessarily going well for them.
They had to actually pull out some clutch plays.
They had to pull out kills into buyback into kills where if they did not get the kills,
they would then probably get maybe not thrown, but they could lose a huge advantage in the game just from that play.
So it's nice to see that like the potential negative emotions that could be there from feeling that pressure in a game,
get the best of them. They still remained as a team. They remained composed. They made the good decisions.
They go down thrown. It's not an easy thing to do, especially when you just lost the previous game.
They were losing this one at a point. It's very nice to see they can keep their emotions in check.
You can see this is a tier one caliber team.
Yeah, I think, as we've said, a lot of wins that we've seen from Tundra.
There have been a lot of wins that are won on the drafts. And we talked about the draft a bunch, obviously,
because sometimes games just depend a lot on the drafts.
And I think this game in particular, they just outplayed a real good game.
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I think like the first two games of the series, they were absolutely like
coach, captain, you know, draft, strategic, like coming into the series, just masterminding it,
mapping it all out, and they just had all the responses. And then I think in game three and
four, it came down to gameplay a lot more. And I feel like also something that they
recognized really fast was like, the back writer isn't working, let's just drop it. You know,
They weren't stubborn about it. They better make there was like no big deal about it
Yeah, and that I didn't take it. It's no pride hurt, you know, like it doesn't matter
I don't have to win with my bad. He just drops it. Go next is I get this isn't working
Let's go next and that takes a big man to do
You know a lot of times that you're in these finals you kind of want to have a crush to fall back on
but I think they just kept their composure and thought things through and
Made the right decisions. Yeah, this was a very strong show for them. Yeah, and the spirit of that I feel like
That attitude is kind of what they've displayed throughout this entire tournament.
Like, we have watched this team's evolution and they came in good, but we saw them learn
from all of their losses in Group Stage 1.
Even in the playoffs here, like in Group Stage 2, they lost Aurora to 1.
They lost to Liquid to 1.
They show up today and they just completely crush.
Yesterday they crushed Liquid, today they just made those first two games where Aurora
looked so easy.
You could really see the evolution of how they approached each team and their ideas
and their strategy so clearly, and it was a cool story to watch.
This is definitely a team who I'm really scared about when they come into a new day after
spending time prepping for a team because they absolutely have the ability to just
dismantle a team and upset predictions big time.
Literally any team, no matter who they're playing against, they play against like
a 9-0 team.
If it's Pundra, it's still like 50-50 predictions because they can just figure something
out that day.
And being able to do that mid-series, also very hard, because game 3 was very one side
and the other way.
I was a little bit worried about them, and the game was close, but they ultimately looked
quite dominant, especially after the start with beer.
He died so many times in lane, he got pressured really, really effective by Aurora, and in the
end he basically has the top DPS.
He played his role effectively.
He led the really nice pick-off, suddenly he goes like Centaur, he's using the silver
edge at the right time.
It was really well played.
Yeah, I would imagine it was also because their hero pools are quite deep, so they
I do have a lot to prove from that. If they want to change something up, you know, I'll just play a tinker.
Yeah, the possibilities are there. I mean, I also feel like with Pyrrhus' game,
Tundra has this playstyle where one of their cores usually tends to just be left alone and get screwed over
this time around, it was him, and he handled it like a trap.
Like, I think that also takes a lot. For a carry player, generally speaking, like high-eagle,
you know, they want to be the star of the show players. For someone like that and someone of his caliber to be fine, like,
I'll be I'll be stacked, you know, that are you farm busy and you farm good luck, and I'll take it. Yeah, that's it's cool
They have a lot of really
Cool players that do they do play for each other in a very different way than the normal team
You don't see them like ball up and like group up, but they do sacrifice themselves across the map for each other to get farm
I think that's like really important growth for pure as well because
Because obviously
team should get a champion interview and I believe we have there we go we have
all of them I can't wait hey guys congratulations what an insane series
pure since you're the one with the headset on actually everybody's wearing
the headset I'm that's confusing
I would imagine you're still on this microphone it's working right now
yeah and dude we're gonna use my mic but all of the guys can hear us
oh that's awesome that's a great setup all right I want I want to ask about
about this game that you just played, especially you, Pierre, you had a little rough one, first
couple of minutes in that game, the early game, talk to us about it, how was it, were
you fine the whole time, just you know guys, they're all on me, just, just farm, just
go ahead.
To be honest with me, in Dungeon 1 we got some show on our lane both games, and
there is nothing to be talked about, you know, we just were doing some stuff,
I know some tricks, some masterclass, some laning masterclass, and that's kind of it.
Game is tough.
Game is tough, but you guys pulled through.
Yeah, I have a question about Muerta.
It seemed to become like your signature carry of this patch, despite other carries looking
very strong as well.
What is that strength, what is the best things about Muerta right now, in your
opinion?
I think the scaling is good, the face is good, the first tile is kind of broken on the lane.
It secures early game with game, and then in the late game more hard things.
Okay, sounds good, thanks.
Alright, we are going to ask you to pass the headset around. Is that okay, Pure?
No.
Oh, the monkey foot, no?
We'd love to ask you a question to 33 if that's okay.
I want to ask a question about the drafting because throughout the whole Dream League it
seemed sometimes that you guys had issues when you were on second pick and those issues
were like this weekend were like basically gone. Can you talk to us about how you feel like that
was from your side if that was a good read or what other problems you feel like was solved
between group stages and playoffs? Yeah I guess without revealing too much because we're going
to play another tournament. That's fair, that's fair. A week. We used to have some other some
idea on how to deal with second pick and we haven't really done it in a long time and
One had the idea to go back to it and kind of try some different structure from the second pick
and I think yeah it worked out well it solved a lot of the problems we had so good job coach
finally some impact.
This is also you guys' third title in the season third third win of a tier one event that the
team with the most number one place finishes so far in this season does that make you feel
like you have an extra big target on your back or a bullseye so to speak?
Nothing special I guess I think there's so many tournaments that is important and it's
nice but you know in a few days we'll be in a new one and you know everyone is gonna
forget about it like happened with Liquid and Blast so it's just there's a lot
tournaments so it feels it feels really nice for now and I'm really happy but yeah
I don't think it's it's not the biggest deal I guess okay thank you there I have
a question for the young gun Ari if you don't mind passing the pass me all
Mike to him yeah now we can shit talk 33
hello Ari thank you for being a gigachat and playing your own style
position for position for players out there really appreciate it and I want to
Ask a question about that. I remember
Wildback you said that
tundra kind of plays in a very far me play style optimizing the map or whatever and
You kind of had to come in and be like, no guys, let's let's get some pick offs
Maybe it's a bit awkward to say this in front of your team
But I'm curious how much of the team now is your ideas and how easy is it to implement your own ideas?
with this roster? I would say like in terms of strategy the only things that
are my ideas my my heroes in my role like mainly most of the strategy I think
comes from I'd say Neto and Moon and a bit pure too but I think a lot of what I
do is the in-game calls I think a lot of moves are called from me mainly the
aggressive ones I guess so I guess that's my contribution. Can you tell me one of the
other heroes, Leak, one of the other heroes who said you were gonna pick Enforce that
didn't come out in this tournament? You said it, you said it, it never happened. It was
always Kotal and Shaman. You kept winning with it. I mean... Give me a hint. I'll
Don't do it already, don't do it.
In the interview, the one I was thinking of was Nix, and I actually came out and it went pretty badly, so...
Oh, okay, okay.
Fair enough, thank you very much.
Yeah, I'd love to ask a question to Whitemon as you could pass the mic over.
Love the transitions.
Hey, Whitemon. So every time we see you on the player cam, you're always smiling and
it feels like you're having a good time, whether it's the draft or even after a loss, because
you're just kind of chilling. How do you keep your energy up over a tournament that's
this long?
I don't know. I feel like maybe this team, it works when I'm being the count and makes
the like you know the muta fives like happy so it was like that yeah do you
ever get a fatigue playing dream leagues because they really they're there a bit
longer than some other tournament for us I mean fatigue maybe yeah but actually
I don't really care I just play some tournament just play another Dota like
doesn't matter what is the result just just play here just another day
Thank you
Alright cool. I got a question for BZM if I could if you want to give him that's a
Why is that a new
Here we go, I know you know what up BZM sorry they kept you waiting for last
I don't know my final don't know the order of things moon is
Oh moon is lost. Anyways, I'm gonna keep it fast
You said in an interview we did with you earlier that you guys are you guys are playing like more boring Dota
How boring was this final for you?
How disciplined did you have to be?
Well, I would say if Game 4 we didn't stick to the Moonmeander tricks, it was over. Just over.
It's a boring one, you do series?
I mean, kinda. So don't you have to be boring to win?
That's the Tundra and Falcons model, yeah?
That's it for me.
Alright, pass it over to Moon, the MBCM is even mined.
There we go.
Moon congratulations.
I've got a couple questions.
I have one as well.
Okay, first question.
MBCGF5, I was wondering what the conversation was between the games for you from a coach perspective.
Well, game one, game two, we're just swapping sides, whether we're first or second pick.
Game two, game three, which is we got a choice against, so we're discussing whether we're
first pick, second pick, and what they're going to adjust.
And game three, game four, just got to recognize, just tell the team where we messed up.
But yeah, we could have won the game, but let's do something different, and then
give them a plan and let them choose.
And when you say something different, I'm also curious because we recognize
Was that your preference or was that Aurora's preference?
Aurora, they wanted to play the first pick, right?
And we chose Radiant.
Yeah, we chose Radiant. We swapped sides with Radiant.
Yeah, I can see now. Something new, I guess.
Fair enough. I was just curious if you want to shake things up, obviously.
There's a nice thing to do. I also was curious if you guys have any plans for the rest of the evening
Because I know there isn't another tournament looming around the corner in a couple of days
But I don't know if you plan anything because obviously didn't know if you were gonna win so I was curious
Yeah, a bunch of us they got a flight out of here today
Today and one month. Yeah tonight. Yeah, if we take a five that would have missed a flight
So we were back in on three or three one
Then me and mom we're gonna stay here for a couple more days before we get to Waleckia.
There's not much time for me to fly back to NAA for like one day and then fly in under
six and I will fly back to Romania.
That's fair.
Stay here.
Hey Moon, as a fellow Canadian, of course you are a Canadian legend, what are you
thinking about the curling drama that has occurred in, of course, our great nation?
I mean I feel like it's kind of a disgrace what's happening in the Olympics to Canadians
honestly.
It doesn't reflect who Canadians are, number one, and second of all, I can't believe we lost to USA and Alky.
That's crazy work.
Yeah, that was devastating. That was truly devastating stuff.
I do like how you used your finger to indicate number one, you know?
Almost as if you want to.
We Canadians like fingers are fingers.
Okay, thank you, Bruno.
All right, well, with Flies to catch, Moon, you can keep it on considering you're the last one.
Yes, so we can say you're the one that gets to say goodbye. So I want some final words
From you because you are the champion here of this dream league
So some final words from from you to everybody's been supporting thunder all this time
Thank you for the fans for supporting us. We have ups and downs. You really win one lose one win one lose one
Thanks for I feel like when I look at social media on the comments and stuff. We're like
Like, the community is very, the least toxic to us, so thank you for being like, kind of
forgiving.
Because you guys know, sometimes we do do too a lot.
Thanks for some, yeah, so.
Oh, much appreciated.
Congratulations again.
Obviously, you guys have a good stay and the rest have safe travels, and I'm sure
we'll see Tundra again very soon playing some good Asteroid Dota in the future.
That's what we love about our Dota players, isn't it?
That's so not so showy, awkward.
Just so great, in general.
Did you just admit to match-shaking?
You mean the Canadian Olympics?
No, and like, 3-2-2ing.
I think that's what we meant.
That's the 3-2-2.
No, I think it's crazy that they had flight books that if a ghost came 5s guys, if
K5 guys, we're gonna miss our flight.
There's a lot of dough to the season.
That's just what that shows.
We got a jam-packed schedule here.
Yeah, it is coming to a close though,
and that means there's a couple of things
we have to check out.
Let's see how many people believed in Tundra.
We know a lot of people online believed in Tundra,
but I will say that maybe the talent crew
was a little bit less believing.
Actually, FB 100% today, and there you go.
Nice.
I knew they'd win this tournament like four days ago.
I was like, okay, this is the winner.
This is how it's gonna go down.
No, don't look at me, that's all.
Yeah, look at the left side!
Look right, and SVG had the same there as well.
They believe today that Aurora would win against Liquid
and that Tundra would win against Aurora.
You've got one.
I would like to say, I'm very proud of being last,
because I predicted Liquid, I pretty much with my heart.
I copied you, you're the pro player.
Why are you a little Quinn?
I copied you, I'm Quinn.
I like how you played that with something.
A little did I know, I should have just...
You know what?
Next season, I should just always pick opposite of Jankos.
You know what, that's a good strat.
I think that was Penn's strat actually.
I'm not unhappy with that.
Rest of the cap, though.
15 is the best.
I set my own bar really low, so 15, to me, is actually very good.
I'm just competing only with myself.
It's like going to the gym.
You're not outlifting anybody else.
You're outlifting yourself.
And I think I outlifted myself in this case.
Congratulations, Neil.
I think you've doubled your points at some point, you know, at some point you had 8 points and now you had almost...
When I had 1 point I got 2, I doubled it as well. I've doubled it many times actually.
I didn't know where I was going.
We can take a look at another leaderboard. It's a little bit more important of a leaderboard.
Let me tell you that. Of course, I'm talking about an E.P.T. leaderboard because Tundra now...
Look at that big gap between Tundra and Aurora. That is madness.
It also of course helps that Tundra was top 6 in the previous Dream League, whereas Aurora was...
Top 17 to 21st, which is basically both points.
Good for them though, that's a lot of points.
That's a lot of points, that's a lot of points.
Of course, both teams will also be present in Birmingham, so they get extra points out
of the system there.
Overall, looking good for Tundra for this one, for this season.
Oh yeah, they got EWC.
I mean Tundra was pretty early, we looked in.
It looked like the false position was 900 points.
Yeah, they must.
I think Mathematica, I don't know, I can't obviously do the math, but I would
Imagine I think last year last season the minimum on point was like around three four K
Yeah, we're making it we can gut feel and say like basically there and if probably a roar is to yeah from this
A toss?
Wait, from this part of the walk-up...
So one more opportunity to embarrass the morning shift?
Another opportunity?
The morning shift can never be embarrassed.
You guys got the evening shift, you won!
I'm kind of embarrassed.
You guys ready?
Okay, but movie trailer wars.
Of course.
Okay.
Congratulations!
The mighty night shift known as Groove Immortal prevailed
against force where it's...
It's quick!
All of it.
Restart it, you gotta restart it.
Congratulations, the mighty night shift
known as Groove Immortal,
prevailed against four Squares and one Cool Cat
in their tasks this Stream League.
Trinhard does pay off.
Purge gets a special commendation
for his consistently high level of Trinhard
across the entire season.
Enjoy your reward.
He was consistent.
Congratulations Purge!
Oh my god.
That's your favorite.
Thank you.
They can't see this, but all of them can't see.
They're probably the same ones from December. I can't wait to eat these.
Take a bite.
He went for it. So stale, but still good.
I smell it from here.
Where's the taste like?
Throw me a biscuit.
I'm watching mode. I've gotten fat.
They're so good. I love Wayne.
They're still friends.
You can go.
Even if I didn't want one.
I didn't find them friends.
No, I don't want one anymore.
Here you go.
It's okay, Kev.
It's fine, Kev.
Please endure it.
Let me trick shot it.
Ready?
Are you eating or throwing?
I don't want to throw it too hard.
You're gonna clean those up.
This was the task all along.
Reload.
I'm a train getting there.
Straight to you.
No, I would like to hear some final thoughts on the under-season FES.
this season.
It's been two weeks.
Obviously, this is a long format, but we have three different Dream League formats this
season, so this is the one we were used to, how I was just dreaming for you.
It was great.
I mean, being here with you guys, of course, is the funnest part of it all, but really
good Dota, this Dream League.
I thought lots of interesting, strategic developments, and lots of Largo, too, which, you know,
makes me happy, because I'm going to go home and play some Largo support.
Not offline, naturally, because...
the agonim scepter because you can keep the agonim scepter but remove the
damage it gives don't we feel good without the damage you don't want the
damage on it it's a fun hero good job valve we love it but remove the eggs
otherwise the current the current acts is playing two sounds and oh yeah I
like that I like okay just give lago back to us give it to the support players
We deserve a new hero.
He's right. He's right.
You're a poor player. He's a core player.
I am on the side of truth.
And the people.
Exclusive.
The people deserve Largo with Axe.
Don't remove it.
There's no about that one, though. Any follow-up words?
Take away the hillbuff that you're on other ways.
Best in both worlds.
Of course, just me and Largo.
I'm probably so surprised to play for whatever.
I was truly good.
It was great. I love when the sugar goes into my body through my nose
You didn't do him
Largo to be your life I guess
I mean, I had a great time up to like sometime right before the grand final started
I thought dream league was probably one of my favorite dream leaks since
the summer of like 20 25 or 4 oh congratulations the first day of
spring what a wonderful day no what the first day of spring no according to
whom according to whom 21st of March 29 in the first day it is not the 21st of
March right now that makes March so it's not yet spring the 21st yeah the
first this is usually on the 21st of late I should not trust chat
That's my girlfriend, I mean, in the car, thanks for the intro.
Yeah, of course, the pros of scripture.
Man, you get to change your final words.
Final words? Oh, I love that thing I found.
Listen, I love doing this with you guys. I love Dota.
Every single time one of these happens, I learn a little bit more.
And I feel like Dota can oftentimes be extrapolated to life.
And I learned that going second is a huge advantage.
It's a huge advantage.
It's huge for any challenge.
Yes.
And this was true for second pick as well.
Yep.
No.
Except for in Dota.
Why did that?
That's what I learned.
Thank you, Sheva.
It was a very, very fun season of Dream League.
Thank you on behalf of everybody, not just in front of the camera, but behind the camera
as well.
There's a large group of people that work tirelessly to get you the best Dota and
the best production all around the talk, including hats and random larger bicycles
and tricycles and whatnot.
Yeah, thank you.
There is a one more Dream League, and of course first there is a PS1 Birmingham, so
we'd love to see you back for that one, I believe there's still tickets available, so
make sure you get some of those if you're going to Birmingham, that would be wonderful.
There you go, look at that, ready on the button, see, connection is great.
So yeah, without further ado guys, that is the end of the show, thank you so much.
One final shout out to Tundra for winning this season, congratulations Grand Finals
champion of Dream League and of course the final words are always the final
note the final tunes are always going to be for the Park Jaffa
I've got balls in my face, I've got balls in my face, I've got balls in my face.
I know we both had no men
We both the same
Now I'm just playing
I'm sure that you were pretty
It's not over yet
It's not far yet
I'm not far yet
Every time I dance
I've got balls in my face.
Nobody does it better
I'ma ache to the z you do it
And the throbs of the end you do it
And nobody does it better
I'ma ache to the z you do it
And the throbs of the end you do it
And nobody does it better
Give you all that you need on the floor
Oh you need to do it safe yeah
Let me show you how I did all I can do
Just how you do, all that you do
All I can do, and I like it when you do
Just how you do, all that you do
All I can do, and I like it when you do
Just how you like a girl, just how you want it
It's true, oh they've got tripped at you
Oh amazing
I'm rapin' Kappa
I'm shinin' for you to find my
I'm in a caddy
Drivein' to my beach outside
You're the friendest friend
Spend my money, don't count
Just for you, yeah, just for you
Cause girl, it's a special
Cause I thought I'd meet you
Nothing's too good for you
Just for you, yeah, just for you
Cause they was gonna get all she wants tonight
No one can do just how you do
All that you do
No one can live without you
Like no one can do
Just how you do
All that you do
No one can live without you
Right to the city you do it
Time to the end you do it
You know I could ask some more
Ain't nobody does it better
When they hate you, they see you do it
When they find you, they hate you do it
I'm the last one
Ain't nobody does it better
No one can do it
Just like you
Why don't you do it
No one can do it
You do it
Like you want it
You do it
Just like you do
I'll catch you to the bed
And I'll make it do
Love to you
I'm gonna make it do it
Nobody wants it better
I'm gonna make it do it
Nobody wants it better
I took a train ride through a deluxe paradise I found a warm rock that slid around my eyes
It was a gift I paid my dues and ran my dick in
For the best adventure
I'm on my way, hell I'm taking you with me
I'm on my way to use the best free
To take those scars and escape to the future
I'm on my way to the best adventure
It's the best, the best adventure
Give it to me, give it to me
And when you take the tongue, don't really slow
Don't lay back and then on the wire
This travel, what you need, this fake extension
We'll get you back on your feet
I'm on my way, here to play, girl, you and me
I'm on my way, feelin' so carefree
I'm sleepin' through the stars and the future
I'm on my way, to the next adventure
I'm on the way, I'm an agent to take you
I'm on the way, I feel the land around you
There's you through the sunset into the future
I'm on the way to the best adventure
Ooh, yeah, you're hearing my heart
Best adventure
No, that's the best
It's the best
But I'm a best Avenger
I'm on my way
And I'm taking away
I'm on my way
So get free
And take those stars
And escape to the future
I'm on my way
To the best Avenger
Let's go, let's adventure!
I know I'm hard to understand, but I hope you make the effort anyway.
You hold our future in your hands, I hope we make it longer than a day
I can't help showing my emotions, I gotta be a little more discreet
If you feel a fraction of affection, then come and sweep me out for more feet
We could just solve all this confusion, we could sort it out
Get through this situation, no more hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who you are, unless apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love, that we're in love
I don't believe it when you tell me
But you think everything's gonna be fine
You sure got a funny way of showing
So this is where I draw the line
If we could just go the wild, there's confusion
We could start it out, we could prove the situation
No more hesitation, focus on what we're about
Don't say sorry for who we are
And less apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're right
But we won't
And we're in love
And those apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
Don't say sorry for who you are
And those apologies won't get you far
Cause I know that you know that we're in love
But we're in love
I just wanna be with you, just wanna grow with you
Don't care about nothing else, just wanna know it will you?
Just wanna be with you, just wanna grow with you
Don't care about nothing else, just wanna know it will you?
Just don't think about nothing else on my mind
All I really need is just to have you girl
And I like to take you for a ride that you can never forget
All the places that you never seen
That's how good time you can get
The time will always never
There's a way
On the way to life
We're all on the way
On the stopper
You just can't stop
There's a way
On the way to life
On the way, on the way
You don't want to
Stop it
You don't want to get stuck
We just can't stop
Every night
On the way to life
On the way, on the way
People want
Don't stop that
No one just can't stop
I had to have you don't mean the one night stand got to find a way to be a man
It's something I do and turn and look at me
You smile and turn me on and set my mind at ease
Trying hard not to stare don't want to look firsted
Just trying to play it cool got to show you that I'm learning
You walked in all the hair and seemed to leave this room
I just have to find a way to get in next to Europe
I'm here to testify, it'll be a chance I'm satisfied
Get me to free your heart and I'll build your mind
Don't want to bless me up, cause I'm running for time
Hi, son, checkin' me out, try hard to free it out
What I'm all about, what I'm here to follow
Make you stay in the show, get a double new person
To figure it out
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
I can't wait to show you that my love is true.
The one I missed my chance
Would you mind if I took your hand?
Out on the floor, maybe it's nice
Extended cut, DJ, make it last
When the only ones that hear
Was so into this groove
Intoxicated by the way I find you
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey
Chance on the satisfy
Hey, hey, hey, hey
I'm not really the mind
Don't wanna miss me out
Cause I'm not gonna catch me out