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Hey, what's up guys, welcome to the stream, how's it going?
Tournament over, lots of great memories, we'll review some of the best memories today, we'll
also review why my green screen is bugging out, is it daylight again or is it not, what
you guys think. I think it's daylight. Yep, it's daylight. Hello, Simply. How's it going,
you AOC dog? You YouTube stream is on. Hello, everyone. Hello, everyone. Oh, man. I slept
so late last night. I almost went for a nap just now after dinner. I was only really tired.
But then I recover it, Sing Sing Sing is going to start AV2 practice tomorrow for no specific
reason, do you know why he might be starting practicing?
I don't know, but I'm also going to start this week.
Good day, simply, good day.
Did you see Tyler won Uninstall Worker 3?
No, I didn't see.
Let's see.
dog oh yeah I need to open chat on screen so you guys can see what I'm
looking at I mean the chat's already on screen what that's all this then what's
all this oh yeah remember these guys delete that delete these guys there
Vampirizing noise. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder if he's still gonna do that, the show match?
Like, is he still gonna do that?
Hey, Gruby, was Tidewan just being salty for his streamer persona, or was he actually salty about the hero game?
I think he was actually salty, and I think he doesn't hold back, in fact, he may add
on top of it.
You know, the second streamer invitation I held, I invited eight strategy game streamers,
and it was really sedate, it was very civilized, no one's flaming, no one's throwing any words,
And it was a very gentlemanly tournament, but there wasn't as much strong feelings.
The kind of stuff that Hera, Tyler One, and Dante's bring, and even Mary maybe.
And I think those are fun too.
I think it's fun when there's a little bit of everything.
Now Tyler One, I think Tyler One is generally a good guy, I think Tyler One is generally
a good guy.
It gets generally upset when he loses in comparative games.
amazing work on the team competition. Yes. Hey, thank you,
Creedler. Thank you. I mean, I think he generally gets very
salty. And let's just do this and close the onscreen chat.
Oh, I'm showing my discord. Wow. New version Park.
Yeah, I think he's a good guy that gets salty in competition.
So I don't think he can hand wave it away and say, no, it's just a persona.
He's not upset at all.
Headliner, Clueless Ass, and Death End Coaching are my favorite memes.
4 out of 5 headliners recommend Gobi the Last One recommends Hera.
Did you see Tyler on the Uninstall Worker 3? I doubt it.
Great feeling after the tournament, Grubs. Yes.
But I also didn't want to stay in the clouds and just base in the glory of what happened.
I want to think about new plans too. The AOE2 practice arc,
and what I want to do with the week and stuff, and I've got a lot of stuff to do at home
to clean up the house and the garden and everything.
Tyler was playing this morning. He was playing this morning? Wow.
Hera announced some of his participants. Yeah, someone sent me a clip.
How could you not be salty there? Well, the thing is, a lot of pro RTS players that play a single-player game,
they eventually adopt as good as they can, they adopt a mentality where they accept that
they make mistakes and that they need to do better and so on and then that's something
you learn in solo games but you don't learn that in multiplayer games as much automatically.
Are the plates still on the ground? No, I cleaned up the six plates but I have three new ones.
Yeah, a little bit spice, yeah. We need flamers, yeah.
Hey, Gruby, I don't know if you know yet, but technically it's been leaked.
Okay, let's check it out.
I'm very full of hope that the distraction of viewers and possibly new players will help Blizzard make a move towards a new Warcraft.
Yes, we are very well underway to Warcraft 4.
And thanks to Maxim, we have a lot of suggestions on what not to include, including Demon Hunter and Anaburn.
And about 35 other things.
1, 4 and 8% evasion.
Alright.
We need to practice for no specific reason.
Why do you have to thank me for the 117?
From tomorrow I might be starting a read to practice for no specific reason at all.
We'll be fine.
GG to now.
Have a nice evening.
This seems really suspicious.
When are we going to see the final match of your last YouTube video?
Tonight.
Make sure that you're not here if you don't want to get spoiled.
You're most likely going to get spoiled in a live chat of a stream
of a stream that was the main stream of the recent tournament that was orgged by the person that owns this stream.
Are you going to be inviting Happy to your next tournament as Tyler once suggested?
Man...
Guys, how do I deal with these streamers with their outrageous suggestions?
Let's fucking go. The RTS Pro won. Let's go. Let's go 35 years of playing RTS. What a goat.
Invite Happy to the next one, Grubby.
18 lifetime messages. He wasted 12 on the hate watching. Out of his 18 messages.
I announced the winner on my discord with an at everyone notification.
Oops.
Some people got spoiled.
I apologize.
All right, who's playing wait, he's winning
Hold up wait, this is highest MMR
Why didn't you do that immediately?
Wow, oh wow, grubby, I stayed up way too late catching up on the tournament.
Well worth it for such a nail bite of finish.
Tie from the...
U.S. Hey, thank you, wingman.
Stayed up way too late.
Yeah, we all did.
There was an Australian that stayed up late.
Kirby, have you ever rage uninstalled a game?
I don't know about rage uninstall.
Yeah, yeah, I guess so.
I guess so, like Starfield and Terraria?
Deadlock?
Starfield, Terraria, Deadlock?
I never uninstalled Dota.
But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what about StarCraft.
I quit StarCraft 2 in 2014, the end of it, December 31st.
And 2015 I started Here's of the Storm, January 1st, right?
New year, new beginning.
Many years later, I was invited to Mike Morheim's birthday,
the then CEO of Blizzard,
maybe six or eight years later, could even be seven.
And this was after BlizzCon,
and there was a poker party and whatnot.
And it was in a LAN party somewhere in California.
There was me and there was my wife, my plus one,
and then there was like 60 other streamers,
maybe even 70 casters, streamers, pro gamers,
X-pros, et cetera.
I was one of the further removed StarCraft players.
It was mostly a, let's invite the StarCraft VIPs.
I was a bit further removed
because I hadn't played in a while
And I was in full time here with the Stormer already.
Then Mike Morheim and the delegation there were like,
yeah, you can play games.
Go ahead and enjoy yourself.
We have poker game.
We have computers.
You should be enjoying yourself.
Go play some games.
And my wife and I are my plus one, which is my girlfriend.
My wife and I, we were like, OK, let's go play some games.
we've done enough socializing, we went to sit at PC and I told my wife, I said, we're here as
Starcraft invitees, we should play Starcraft, actually, like we wanted to play Heroes of the
Storm, but we should play Starcraft, like to fit in, because that's, that's what we should be
doing here. And I launched Starcraft. And I heard the theme music and I saw the menu. And I had
such a revolving immediately such like no no no no no no no not this I
all afford it and then we played here's of the storm I was like fuck it if this
like drops my esteem in anyone's eyes that I'm not star crafting then fuck it
like I'm already I'm already here like they invited me and I have more value
than my than my link to starcraft alone I'm not gonna play it even if they kick
me out of the party. Actually traumatic. Couldn't even look at the game, couldn't even pretend
to like it. What made you switch from Starcraft to Waka3? I never did, I switched from Starcraft
to Heroes of the Storm. What made me switch is Burnout on Starcraft. Did they kick you
out? No, of course not. This whole thing played out in my head.
So, Tyler Wan played a whole bunch of games, won almost everything, big MMR, Yamato Cannon,
didn't play again, Hera, 1407, that was all yesterday.
Bro, I need your help, do you remember an old Warcraft match between a Korean player
where you killed a Zeppelin full of heroes with a ratbiter?
No, I don't know.
Hey, grab a new follower here. Yeah, checks out. Long time sub.
What are your thoughts on Swarmosts? Simply also played after a tournament.
I see. Oh, but he's playing Orc.
Not so easy, huh? But he wins the fourth game. Not bad.
Yeah, I'll be happy to receive some clips.
Is Starcraft harder than Warcraft 3?
I think so.
I think Starcraft is easier to understand and harder to compete at high level.
Kribby, after this peak of Warcraft 3, can we expect some Elden Ring DLC?
Kind of halfway into 2026 already.
No, bro, bro, I got I got an a we two tournaments coming up. I have to start this week
Gaby, do you miss the energy of the tournament? No, no, I think it was a
perfect tournament
Perfect cocasters
Wow drop a huge thanks to you and everyone involved for a great tourney tourney tournament
At least I didn't miss the headliner.
Well, thank you so much.
I don't know if you guys can see it.
I just shot saliva out of under my tongue.
Can you guys do that?
Can you put your tongue to the top of your palate
and then jet like some kind of venomous dinosaur?
I used to be able to shoot it on command, like 20, 30 cm away.
It's called Gleeking. It has a name?
Uh, gonna be a bit of a fan ever since you jumped out of that window in China.
Glad to see the Warcraft 3 tournament turned out great. All the best.
Hey, cheers. Thanks, man.
You're only on accident. Okay, I was able to practice to do it on demand.
Cool, huh?
I think.
Uh, yeah, I think the tournament went, uh, perfectly.
Uh, yeah, we can try that another time.
Or now? Should I do it now?
Yeah, I think it went perfectly. I think the run-up to it was great. I think the streamers that were involved were great.
The help I got from the website maker, Vivi in the editing room, RuyGimGuySys, the main point of contact.
The 15 other mods that helped. I think everything was perfect.
The only thing I should have done differently is see if I can get some admin budget from Blizzard.
Because initially I run the tournament at the loss.
Because I forgot to ask admin budget, it's just prize money.
And after the fees of spreading the prize money around, I'm in the minus from the prize money.
That was not so smart.
But it's okay. That's just a small part of it. Next time, if there's a next, I'll ask
try to find sponsor. Do you think they would have said yes? I don't know. I think they
should look. I don't know what they can, what they can do. I hope they like the event and
see its value. I would imagine they do because it has insane value for them. And if they
I think, I mean, you know, it's up to them. They make their decisions and I'll make mine.
Right.
What he thought about the tournament didn't see your last two was the same hype.
I think we picked at like 30 KCCV on Twitch, which is over the second streamer inf, but under the first.
The first was the first. And it also came right after Onlyfang's invitational.
And it was with the two war chiefs of the Onlyfang invitational, so the popping Tyler one.
So, back then it was like 40-45k CCV, the second streamer in was like 18-21, and this
one was like solidly 20-25 and then with a 30 peak.
So this is the second place, but I think it is the best one.
So the CCV is in the middle, like 2 out of 3, but I think the quality of production and
the show was 1 out of 3.
The second was very soon after the first, yeah, true.
This one yet, yeah.
I don't think they actively sabotage Quarra Fox.
They put the AOC tournament on the Battle.net launcher, did you guys see?
I didn't ask for it.
I just saw they did.
Yeah, I authorized it to do it, but on a different browser, doesn't matter.
I came from the banana at Lousy, so yes, cool.
Crabby won't you stomp everyone in the A.W.2 tournament?
No, because there are at least two gamers that are insanely good.
MGL just got laid off from my job, but watching the tourney,
I felt it was important that I don't watch it for free,
so subbing for a few more months.
Fuck your job!
I'm going to go for the absolute cinema.
Fuck your workplace!
They're stupid to fire you.
You'll find something good, Sixpiacu.
They don't know what they're missing.
They're... here they go, firing Warcraft fans.
Stupid ass job.
You deserve better.
It works for the charity.
Scam charity.
Scamity.
Hey, hope you can find something good, Sixpiacu.
Thank you.
Hi, Roxy. Cassandra has competed in the next HotS tournament, Corby, that you'll for sure
do in the next few months. No, I've been thinking about the five people that suggested I should
do Heroes of the Storm tournament, and I've been thinking what that would look like. First
of all, there's only five people that have recommended it. And secondly, with 10 streamers,
All you have is a five on five.
It's not that interesting compared to Warcraft.
Someone said,
won't you just win the AO2 tournament easily?
And I think you're forgetting that this guy
is gonna be in secretly.
Sub-darn-ish, I love your YouTube long,
smiley face.
So it's gonna be really high level.
Yeah, like I'm probably cooked.
Uh, Grabby, did you see Hera almost cried after you won?
No, I didn't.
Do you have a clip?
He didn't even cry at our wedding.
Damn.
Okay.
But knowing you, that's probably your preferred priorities, Roxy.
Why would I want my husband to cry over my wedding?
I wanted to win tournaments.
You know, I didn't cry at my wedding itself either, because I accidentally saw my wife
to be the night before doing rehearsal, and I blew my load right then and there.
She was practicing walking on the stage, and I cried when I saw that.
My crying load!
What the fuck?
Guys!
Weird!
No, I started crying when I saw her doing rehearsal and then the next day when it actually transpired,
I was still touched.
It was still special, but...
Okay, so fun fact, when we said our vows, he said something really cute and I blanked
out so it was my turn.
I said what he said.
It's so funny, it's so funny when I proposed to Cass I
Tried to say something interesting and memorable and then I fucked it up and I said it just came out
Awkward and cringe and also she doesn't remember what I said, and I don't remember what I said and it was it was all just a
blur
but
It was still W because she burst into tears
like immediately it looked like one of those fake like movie tiers where suddenly there's
like two rivers just like streaming like that's a tear machine except I want to AT yeah want
to be an arranged team so bad that she cried you probably said something about blowing
No, I didn't. What the fuck? Guys, guys. That's crazy.
Wait, why can't we hear what he's saying? He's muted.
I can't believe it.
26 months for an amazing event Grub Zempestalov
Hey, thanks never justice
I can't believe it, let's frickin' go
No, I saw this clip last night, he said
I really needed that
He's 295 APM with his hands on his head
He's been a god honestly, I don't know how I did that
I'm very grateful for it, though
I
Told me I
Thank you everyone watching. This is this is really special for me. This is really really important
He said this is his top five tournament ever I
Literally poured my heart and soul into this I literally pull it literally
my heart and soul into this and I can't believe we actually made the reverse
you happen this is wait actually am I like undervaluing the moment by paying
attention to his words literally because like when one someone says literally
when it's figuratively I hear like a wrong usage of literally but this is
what they were talking about right you literally are yeah now that's a little
Autistic
Absolutely unbelievable. I'm just I'm so happy right now honestly
Literally can also just mean an emphasis. Yeah now it can because you guys ruined it
People people ruined this word
Now that's great. That's great
He's trying to get that's a very cool reaction body bike, okay? We're zapping always body
God this guy's such a sweat man. What a fucking freak
Oh my fucking god
Get off his dick. No, this is a noobs tournament
psychopath
Yeah, block him get him out of here
Get him out of here
Fuck that made me so fucking happy man
Well, I can imagine all of you watching like this too.
This is like the average viewer experience screaming at their monitor.
Soda is all of you.
Soda wanted Harry to lose so much.
And because he insulted his boyfriend Tyler?
Or what?
Or because RTS heard her unfair?
And it was great having the tourney.
Was so the cast the plan surprise because you've been saying we shouldn't hope for him?
Yeah, it was kind of a surprise.
I messaged him like an hour or two before.
I heard you are the lightning McQueen of Arcadeus.
What is lightning McQueen?
What's lightning McQueen?
From cars?
What cars?
Movie cars.
Cars, Pixar.
Okay?
Cool?
cool so you guys are like falling over cartoon nice that's cool that's really
matured yet
gold is required what what aren't you a huge Disney guy yeah but I like Disney
I like girls Disney movies like little mermaids, Moana, Land Before Time.
Why are you gay?
Aladin? Yeah, Aladin. I like the ones with good singing.
Part of your world!
What? That's... wow.
I... because I speak Polish, I always understand when...
like, in the family they are speaking Russian.
Oh. Bro, why Graby still didn't transfer boots to MK?
Oh, say it, say it.
It's going to be bad, it's going to be rough, and even if somehow we get over that, because
we both...
He sounds like thumb sometimes.
It's going to be bad, it's going to be rough, it's the best.
Who's to fill, because Grubby killed this invitation, he just, he killed it, he did
such a good job.
You thermal said yo, I made the cut who's the guy casting besides you thermal the first day
He didn't say that much, but man. He was savage
It's Hearthstone
This guy achieved big success in everything he took parts not as anything to do and already in 2012 then I saw
One of my good friends played I was like alright never mind. I want to do this as well
So I just yeah, I got a beta key at some point and
Beta.
You thermal, I wouldn't do it without you man, actually I'm really excited to have you in
there.
Um, Tyler's in it, just kidding.
Actually I wanted to get Tyler but I don't have his contact.
Now I do but the guy hates me like- Oh no!
He hates me!
How?
I don't know why!
I called him the worst player in the tournament, bragged that I beat him in League of Legends,
did everything I could for him to hate me and now he hates me.
I don't understand why.
Wanna join my tournament?
I disrespected him in every single way, but he deserves it because he insulted other people that I don't even know!
What am I supposed to do? I want to get Tyler in.
You know, he's still welcome. At the end of the day, he's still welcome if you want to...
Oh, it's a big opportunity for Tyler.
Big opportunity for Tyler.
He's still welcome to join the AoE2 tournament.
It's just banter. I have no idea.
So we won. My Warcraft 3 arc started about
Hera and Tidre have the same personality actually. Yep.
I realized this a few days into Hera's practice arc that they're the same person.
One with a polite surface and one that doesn't bother to appear polite surface.
They're the same people.
Yes, Hera and Tidre are the same.
Araha has sharp edges and so do I and so does Tyler and they enjoy in particular to do some
trash talk and they're both very emotional players and they can tilt and they're both very
competitive and both are difficult students because when I tell them something I expect
them to listen, but oftentimes they can't listen. Wrong. No, I'm correct. Uh, there
Tyler won actually. Tyler won actually her ask him the finals. What?
Yeah, of course, Hera is better at RTS. I'm not really, I'm not really separating those.
Tournaments need to be 10k plus streamers that have small children.
So Soda and Titer 1 only for eternity.
What?
Soda doesn't have children.
They are both just competitive.
It's the whole character of a person.
It's not the whole character of a person.
It's a trait.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Hey.
the first to say there's differences between them. When I said they're the same person,
I was literally exaggerating.
My Valkyrie arc started about three weeks ago after
a photogramming in Vitamin 2's amazing event that featured streamers both on a plane
side of things casting me in hell of a show. I took on the challenge to learn a brand new
new rts. Let's fucking go. Brand new rts. New game. It's a new recent game. New rts
just dropped, babe. I think he meant brand new for me, but it's brand new, baby. And
port over a hundred hours into trying to master the game as fast as possible to get
to the main event in my best shape possible. I'm incredibly happy and proud to have represented
the Age of Empires 2 community, amongst all the league fiends, and take the crown back
home.
To my ground finals opponent, Yamato Mepdi, good freaking game man, you're one hell of
a player.
And everyone else along the way, great players and people, except Lol Tyler, zero talent.
And thanks to all the viewers and coaches who supported me on this journey, it was one
of the most epic and meaningful cornerstones of my comparative career.
Shout out to ATroc for being my unpaid therapist.
Damn.
the play. You know, he's still welcome. At the end of the day, he's still welcome if
you want the play. But I think it's just too much. Like, another RTS pro, his mind is fried.
And their noses are a little bit different. Yeah, I think you found the only other difference
between them too, DinoBuffy. Did Hera overcome OP Human Race or is Human on OP, we must know.
It is known, it is known, if you guys are okay with me spoitering it.
Anymore names I haven't even messaged, get happy, yeah okay I'm gonna get happy to play
HBumpfires, that's not gonna, I can't even get this guy to play Warcraft, so that's the
plan for June.
If happy is playing I'm out.
You did bad thumb.
Waste of time.
Alright guys.
This is when he's zero two.
Been here before.
You can still do it.
Keep the energy strong.
And most importantly,
I'm gonna have a lot of fun.
Just try my best.
You can't go out of loser if you're just trying your best.
Krabbe, did you know human is imba before this tournament?
No way. I don't think human is imba.
I think human has an easy way to pursue a win condition, which is to fast expand.
It requires a certain skill minimum to unlock that sadly some glitters didn't have,
but Sing Sing, Dendi of course do, and the Yamato Canon did as well.
It requires you not to play Polar Rifle, but to benefit from fast expansion.
I saw that Hera had 300 APM at the end of the game against Yamato.
The Invite Happy Next Time Rage is kind of justified now.
All of your rage is justified.
You know why?
Because they're your true feelings.
And your true feelings matter.
It's justified. You can feel however you want to feel.
Did I promise it's going to be 100% fair tournament? I never did. I don't remember that.
The headliner therapist.
Just the idea for the Idea Bank, when yes, when please, you bring back the A-League and the B-League players for two separate tournaments.
You could make a rule that they have to play a different race.
Yeah, of course! I raise switch people trust me, of course.
I raise switch a bunch of people.
When I think it's going to be too easy for them, I make people raise switch.
Oh, it's game!
I quit.
You're not okay, are you hurrying?
Hey guys, do you know that's the angle it's right now?
Do you know that's the angle when you're having fun with those things?
Hold on, I gotta check the vibes.
The vibes have to be immaculate over here.
God he's indestructible. He's fine.
I think.
Yeah, I think I'm pretty happy though.
It's fine.
It's going okay.
No, it's not simply. He has an expansion. It's not okay. None of this is okay.
I think if there's one big mistake I made in coaching, it's that I didn't impress upon
people how fucked up it is when someone has an expansion and you don't.
If they take an exploit like 3-4 minutes, you can't just play the game.
No, I did tell them that.
I did coach them that.
The thing is, Dante and Mary maybe never got to the skill level where I can even explain
that where it matters in any meaningful way.
And simply, like Maxim, I told him to all in all the time at minute eight.
And so I did what I can there too.
That's all Polaroid we can do, right?
Simply was just about getting to the level where he needed more advanced training, but
he got there a little late.
It's very frustrating to me to see people fast expand for free all the time, and people
aren't countering it in the early game. It's a waste. There's only two races. If you don't
know Warcraft 3, there's only two races that can fast expand almost every game and get away with it,
and it's undead and human. And that's why they have like really clean wind condition. We've had
undead human finals in the second streamer. We have undead human finals now. And in the first one,
it was human and night elf with Ampy. Yeah, Ampy is the only elf that's been in the finals.
Why can't Orc and Night Elves don't do it? So, human takes five Militia and they turn
them into, okay, there's more clips. Human has five peasants and they can turn them into Militia,
which for 40 seconds are strongest footmen. So you go from two footmen to seven for a bit.
There's no other race that at minute two can go from one ground to six or from one archer to seven.
Under it doesn't even have seven ghouls, they do have skeletons and they can pull lumber guys.
So human immediately has an insane power with the militia, which they can creep a hard camp with that or can't even think about creeping.
And then those same five peasants at minute three can start a town hall.
the human tunnel takes very long to make compared to others. The tunnel takes 180 seconds.
If you look at a great hole for Orc, it takes only 135. So you think, oh, well, you can
just great to expand. But power building
If you power build the town hall, it's a lot faster.
So one person takes three minutes, but if you just add one second villager, it takes just
under two minutes, costing another 90 resources.
If you take four peasants, it takes only a minute, 64 seconds, and you're paying 173.94.
You can be under a minute with five.
So you start at three and you're done before four minutes.
You will pay extra.
So you pay 600 resources here, and here you pay 300.
So it's 600, 300 for a 50 second expo.
That means it starts paying back earlier, right?
50 seconds versus the orc, 135.
That's 85 seconds faster.
You know how much money you get?
850 gold in 85 seconds.
So even though you spend 600,
you're this much faster than an orc,
and you had the bonus seven, the bonus five footman. Right. So
that's why human can do it. And the reason undeads can do it
is because the Ruby and towers broken. And also human can
defend it because arcane towers broken. They're both very, very,
very good. Those towers, or watch tower is not broken. Spitter
tower, AP, guard tower, they're all not broken. Right. But
those towers are really sick. They do a lot. The undertower allows for
surrounds, damage reduction, movement reduction, etc. The human tower shuts
down heroes. So the ancient of war is strong enough for that kind of play. But
after they make the base, here's how long a tree of life takes.
Night of is the third best that fast expanding after human, the best under
the second best. And the night of is the third best. But a tree of life takes still 120 seconds,
which is way more than 53. And after that, they still need to make an entangled goldmine,
which lasts another 60 seconds or so. I don't know exactly how long it takes. I think it's
60. Not sure if I'm tangled. How long does it take to make? Yeah, 60 seconds.
So if you have an OP tower to defend yourself in Arcane and the Rubian, and you have bonus
five footmen to creep it at minute two, and then you can make it in under a minute, then
And of course, fast expansion is good for humans.
What do you think of every gold mine, except when you started with, was designed with 4pL
max?
I don't know.
Do humans and undead often fast expand?
Yes.
Graby, do I need another program other than W3 Champions and W3, you don't need it, but
there is W3booster.com that can be nice when you stream.
I am Legion, and you can show it in-game, but I don't recommend it.
Gribby, I remember the past, you would say that human and elf are the ones that were more deciding whether they can expand.
Yeah, yeah, that's because Undead got rebalanced a lot.
Undead got like 8 buffs to fast expansion, so things changed.
Let me see.
So the sacrificial skull used to require graveyard, but in 2018-8 August, it no longer requires
a graveyard.
Okay, that's one.
Then there's acolyte buffs.
Acolyte got a whole bunch of buffs too in 2018-8.
Hit points increased by 10, movement speeds increased by 30, blight regen increased by
2 per second to 4 per second and armor from 0 to 1. They reverted some of the movement
speed increase, but not all of it. Additionally, they reduced some of its region, but not all
of it. So 1, 2, 3, 4 eco-based buffs. Blight is another one, no graveyard needed. That
means you now have a graveyard skip when you want to fast expand. That's 5 buffs to
a fast expound. Then there's the haunted gold mine that got buffed in multitude of ways.
Here in 2018, blight radius reduced. That sounds like a nerve, but it's actually
making it less likely to be found for people. Note how it's listed as a buff,
even though it's a nerve. Blight is good, you have less, it's bad. But you can now get away
with Ninja exposed more often. And it's also made cheaper. Okay, that's two more buffs. Now that's
seven buffs. And then Acropolis was buffed as well.
Backpack shop requirement is removed. Okay, that can help. But it's for all.
Bill time reduced by 10 seconds and gold time reduced by 30. So the biggest one of all of those
This is Sculve Blight no longer requiring graveyard, that's the biggest one.
But in all in all it's 8 buffs to Undead of Expo.
Why is Orcs are discriminated?
They're not.
Orc also got buffs to Expo, but at the end of the day, if you don't have Nerubian or
Arcane Tower, you're not going to defend your expansion with the same efficacy as Undead
and Human.
That's just how it is.
watchstower gets a slow or a mana burn, it's just a little pinpricker that can be ignored.
Hey Grum, is it legal to use Aux Scripts to disable mouse wheel in worker 3?
It's fine, it's fine, just do it. A lot of people use AAHK and they have been since
the last 30 years. Realtalk, do you think Hera or Yamato could have done as well if they played Orc?
Man, I think it's easier to practice human and undead because they are proactive and
Orc is reactive and therefore you need more knowledge, but I think Orc is more than strong
enough of course to win this story.
But who would he have copied?
He would have had to copy Lind.
Hera would have had to try and copy Lind instead of Happy.
Lind is not even the best player in the world.
He's only top three.
you oh scary man I keep having like a hair in my eye maybe it's because I
haven't had a haircut in months in like half a year what the hell man oh I
think it's is it one of my eyebrows
Shave it all off.
Let's see what's next.
Did you tie her lost yesterday, Doc?
He said bad luck, Rester.
Bad luck, no fun.
His name should just be tie her lost, not tie her won.
Should he name only when he wins?
Good one.
Switching strategy, Matt, too.
Hera being an age of empires 2 pro kind of pissed me off a little bit watching
him play a little more seeing him play undead and do those massive nukes it's
bringing a lot of dopamine to me so I like Hera now and I hope her wins so
about the coil nova is so satisfied makes me so happy seeing it
do you think Hera or Yamato could take a win off of you and no no not at all not
not even close. I'll play Hera. I'll play Hera if he wants to, but he's probably going
to take like a day break and then going to practice AOE 2, no? He should feel what it
feels like. I did like a vanilla one-on-one against Hera and AOE 2, no Hanika. Remember
After that, after the 7v1, he should feel the same.
Ever said he wanted to play versus you?
Alright, let's do it.
Before you go back to AV2, do we do a 1v1 in Warcraft 3 like we did in AV2?
Pure no handicap.
I can show what Tyler should have done.
Actually, I shouldn't wait till he challenged me
because I challenged him in A.V.2.
I don't wanna pressure him.
I don't want to pressure you publicly or something.
So I'm asking in private.
There we go.
All right, what's this clip?
Eight different kids on the playground, right?
And he sits there and he's like,
Alright, all of you guys are going to be able to fight your opponents and then be able to like win in a
Hey, Leo, thanks for the rate and thanks for helping with some coaching
Technically I only narrated what I said publicly, but I did write him in private. It's a DM. I'm not showing it on stream
I may have not said any of that
You don't even know that I really said any of those words. I might be narrating something else something fake
Congrats on the tournament, I've never watched Orca 3 before Harrod's grind.
I still don't know what's happening but it was fun.
Hey cool man, cool.
Hopefully you enjoy some other future Orca 3 content sometime, sucks.
Gets more fun when you understand it.
Krabi, who do you consider the most influential orc players of all time, changing core gameplay
and timings besides yourself of course?
I don't think I was that influential in shaping orc play.
because I'm hard to mimic because I'm a feeling space player more than you would think. I used to think I'm like analytical, steady player that scientifically improves his methods. It's not really it's vibe space.
I think Focus is the most boring correct player in Orc that is the best to copy.
I think he's one of the best to copy.
But the most innovative, you know, the most like showing how to overcome challenges I think has been Lin.
So I would recommend if you're going to learn, even Lin is often even too hard to understand for Noobs.
it's a very high IQ play. But yes, I would first recommend to copy focus because he's
so steady. What is focused to different from you? He just does one build. He's always just
doing one build. So it's like perfect to learn from. He does it very well. Now focus has
done dozens of different builds. But he's kind of like the Orc version of happy, or at least
how happy he used to be because happy is extremely diverse now as well. But let's say the methodology
is the same as happy where he tries to just iterate and improve on the same build all
the time. What stops Orc from being able to fast expand like you said, Jumin and Andedken?
I already said that man. I explained it in such detail. We don't have Narubian Tower.
We don't have Arcane Tower, Tiny Grails also tier three, tier one you have nothing to expedite
You don't have enough units, you can't creep in Orange Camp as Orc, you don't have Militia, Ancient of War or Ghouls and Skeletons.
You have one unit, your tower is stuck and the expo is slow.
I apologize, it's okay, that doesn't bother me, I don't mind explaining something again.
Let's check out this game.
Fight to the death.
And it's like you had to sit there Tyler, and you had to use brass knuckles against a special ed kid.
And then you're sitting there as you're like punching his head in his skull is caving in his brain
And you're sitting there and you're like smiling to yourself
But it's like big bobby's coming Tyler. You know what I mean? Like big bobby's coming muscular. Mike
He's on the fucking way. So yeah, you might have been able to kill retarded brickey
I was just warming up, I was keeping the hands hot against you.
I hate watching Hera.
The Hera has an answer here in game three.
They've been so close.
He had moments to close out these games.
this is in this situation non-existent okay nice clip guys and Yamato is a
the great player and he's a champion in his own right so no shame in losing but
when you give it a roll and we're gonna make it happen we get the reverse week
Krabi getting soda to hop on for the finals may be warm and fuzzy to see
something about things coming full circle yeah it it felt right it felt fun
and he brings that kind of clueless noob energy as well got a great voice and
he's been part of the events and part of the inception of this tournament series
it's fun yeah I'll start it again with cinema if not it's gonna be a tournament
there's really no losing here walk in let's do it that's good it's good hey
Hey Gribby, I started playing Lana recently because of you. Can you tell me what I can do against Undead stealing my bears?
Yeah, Staff of Preservation, Triple Hero, Triple Staff. The first three that get possessed, you staff all three of them.
And then you can also kill your own bears.
Just kill them all and replace them with Mountain Giants.
As the Night of it gets Undead, you should have an economic advantage.
One bear, three bears max, no more than three bears, but probably one bear or two, you
kill the rest, you replace them with mountain giants.
I've got an earlier I asked how you would tackle balancing orc expansion mechanics in
a way that it's good for orc without breaking the game.
I think you're asking the wrong question.
You're asking how can a duck live underground?
How can a mole fly?
What do we need to change so that every creature can live in every habitat?
And I would say, no, let the creatures be what they are and play accordingly.
All right?
A mole is going to keep being blind and underground, and the duck is going to keep flying and swimming
or floating on water anyway.
Whatever the fuck ducks do, who knows?
I think asymmetry is good.
And I say, org can't fast expand, it's not a problem to be fixed. It's something to
play around. Therefore, you need to become very skilled at stopping other people's expansion
because everyone is macro-cheasing. That's what I think. So, orcs are moles? No, I think
Orcs are ducks.
I don't get it, it seems Yamato did the builders find one of my missing. Everything. And the fact that you need to ask, it's terrible.
This is a terrible clip. A terrible boring clip.
Some things you did bad, some things you did terrible.
Yeah, that's a good clip
That's a good clip some things you did bad some things you did terrible thank you coach
That's a compliment
Oh my god, I put it in
Wait, is that a library?
This is where the clip should have ended.
Wait, is that a library?
That's where it should end.
I seriously couldn't ask for a better tournament, and a better Warcraft 3 run.
I've said a lot, I meant every word.
Um, it's time for this one last ladder game, guys, that's the top end here, and there's a shot of...
Wait, he never did that. Did he?
He never did that.
No, I'm kidding.
Very hair- very hair-esque that one.
Boo! We want one more!
You know, that's it for Warcraft 3 for now.
No! Wait, he said he's gonna do a show match with Viper. He said that's not gonna happen anymore.
The final week of the month.
You promised!
He's busy.
Ahhhh.
Oh, Hera replied to my secret inquiry.
Oh man, I really wanted to, but unfortunately I just don't have time.
Look at this, he took my prize money and now he doesn't have time for me anymore.
Already back to grinding Awey to 10 games deep and catch Switchback.
Wow.
10 games deep I got something 10 deep for him
No more money than no. Yeah, he's just like happy
Okay, I remember you mentioned something about two days of free time we're champ I
Probably take this Thursday off. I may start stream later to some days
Ohhhhhh
That's a bit...
I mean, he's right from a competitive perspective
But it's a bit rough
Dude, that's fucking me shit, close the door
That's hard to watch for me
Anniversary. Well, it was one day after the anniversary. You don't need to be nice anymore, simply.
Oh, it's fine then.
Hold it very, very good, eh?
Okay, are you giving me a lot of advice?
No, I've seen this, I've seen this.
You can stop clipping this chat.
We've seen this like five times.
We've seen all of those clips.
We've seen those too.
Same clips, over and over.
Never show the same clip twice on this stream.
We hate repetition here.
The headliner.
The first match of the clan war.
This one?
Rapgod?
Gay, I didn't see this.
Nightcrawler, who does the poison.
I know, I didn't see this.
I'm going to leash them back so half of the units can kind of juggle and then I don't
don't take a lot of damage
yeah i've watched this school
and here has no gold
Yamato has 1500
you don't need to even creep bro
why?
come back
make gyros
it's not easy to make gyros
it's easier
make gyros please
You don't need knights!
We see destroyers! No!
We see destroyers! Cancel your knight!
I can't cast it anymore.
Guys...
A lot of people were asking for me to bring on Death Note for casting.
And people were trying to pressure me.
I love these contributions.
But if something goes wrong, he can't cast anymore.
I wanted to catch some of the 2v2 streams, the 2v2 or 4v4.
I've seen some of the perspective, I think Tyler1 perspective via Knopfstream, but haven't
seen the other side, Team Omega.
This day this one here
It must have means all of this
Now it's been killing everything can finally do his job. It's everything
Yeah, the stream stops fucking warcraft
I think I came easy though, it's like a beauty
She's not resigning
Bro this base is a freaking mess bro. Oh my goodness
Grubby the worst part of the tournament was leaving three human players to talk about our shitty human races
Well, I stepped away, you know, you know what they say when the cat leaves the kitchen the mice are dancing on the table
Is she not resigning?
Oh!
Yeah, this is...
2v2.
Yeah.
Full army of...
Oh, I want to see 4v4.
Overclose or something?
Button.
What arcs?
I don't know what their bats are.
So what we have to do, I think, is instead of saying like the actual names of units,
let's just say tanks, ranged, and flying.
Because if we do that, then we don't have to overcomplicate it with information that
we're not familiar with because if we have clear communications, we auto win. Does that make sense?
Okay, but is like a worm a flying or is that a range? Because it's like a range flying. Like
what do I call that one? That's true. It's a flying. That's a flying. That's a flying. Okay,
okay. So like a knight is a tank, but what is a tank called? A tank is anything that goes up in
tanks. So even my ghouls would be tanks. Okay, ghouls are tanks. I'll just yell when
I'm entangling. What a horrible system! Exactly. Like, guys, I'm telling you, we just keep
it simple. Literally just like, don't test. We need your fucking fine. And then I'm like,
alright, do we have tanks? And then one of you is like, yeah, we have tanks. Alright,
and then we just send in. Because they're going to be there like, bro, I got my Billy
Maju fucking entangler 45,000 turbo range. Let's chain this and it's like no one's gonna know what
the fuck is happening. So here comes its insta when that is what if you say go and go and have
tanks and it's two goals in the front line and then we all get baited and we lose the game.
Oh, man, it is what it is. The thanks for that. I'm really confused how we split the map right
now I thought it was be it would be bottom and down but it seems like it's left and right.
Do you see the color from...
Uh, actually I'm not sure...
What are you looking at right now, Maxime?
Cause I'm interested in that color.
Are we split from left to right on this map, or from bottom to top?
We're in the game, so we can see the map.
Yeah, you have to go into the...
Homewreck!
No, no, you can go into lobby, but...
Gravy already posted it.
Button right next to the map.
Shit!
Oh, okay. Like one second.
Here we go.
Lock in lock in lock in focus. W's in the chat. Come on energy, please
Yeah, I got kicked out too
And my this got also done. I just got kicked out too
Guys I legitimately like that sound now the first time I heard Tyler or Dante's
pick out their mic, I thought, what a terrible noise.
And now I actually think it's ASMR to me.
It's endearing now.
You will either have this switch up or you won't.
If you dislike them as people, you will keep thinking,
oh, loud is funny, what idiots, such idiots.
But it's actually quite funny.
Or not even just funny, familiar, comfortable.
Not this honest question, why don't you get a better mic?
I think it's a signature one, friend.
No, so the reason why is because I can hear myself in my own headset when I talk because I have this thing called...
I hope you start doing it, grubby, smiley face.
The audio feedback, and the problem is that if I get a better mic, then it sounds like passable in my ears,
But when my mic sounds like this, it like agitates me.
So it allows me to be like higher energy and more entertaining because I'm
just always like pissed off.
You have issues, bro.
You have issues.
It's kind of interesting though.
It kind of works for you.
Like, I think people like that.
Dude, listen, Hera, the only issue I have is that right now your name is Hera.
By the end of this game, you're going to be him, uh, because you're going to
fucking carry this shit.
Are you ready for it?
Oh shit, nevermind.
Okay.
That's weird.
He's gonna say I'm gonna try to take a mega cam first.
Yeah, I mean if you wanna do it bro, you go for it, I'm just gonna be fucking chillin'.
Ah.
Don't those things use a philosopher?
Hey, maybe he is.
Maybe you don't need to be right to be a philosopher.
Anyone can philosophize man, come on.
He is.
He can take like 12 hours, that's the problem.
No way really?
Not that long, but it feels like that.
Oh my gosh, we have the fucking late game...
But you're used to it!
Yeah, we play in China like for eight hours a game or something?
It was a four hour game, yeah, the longest in history.
It was insane!
We could watch it the whole day.
He played a four hour game?
That was a bang.
I'm so sorry for everyone else, because they have to wait...
10 million hours.
Yeah, scams.
Yeah, I will try to take two greens, that would be awesome when I get level 2 because of the aura.
Yeah, true.
Alright, I'm gonna start scouting to see what the fuck is up.
Oh, no.
Guys, I have bad news, Tyros being a fucking piece of shit.
Thanks, good coms, good coms, not this.
I'm counter-chasing him, I guess.
I'm counter-chasing him!
The camps are a bit harder than usual.
Yeah, but they gave more XP. It's like a good thing.
I'm curious how the Age of Empires 2 scene that have a game that is extremely ASMR how
they feel about Dante's because a we to soundscape is very comfortable and they
have herra than switching to warcraft 3 which is still comfortable but there's a
lot of like I guess under this more ASMR than than orc orc is like yes sir yes sir
yes my lord you don't know big it's like it's a little bit more campy a bit
cheesy but under this pretty cool there it is there it is
I couldn't send Dante's he's an acquired taste I didn't like his mic first time I heard him
But then when I hung out a bit with him in Warcraft of World World of Warcraft
I got along with him quite well. I would say it was fun
All right, I'm making two defense. I definitely need level two first though. So this is raw
Yeah, I mean like listen, I should be like kind of Loki chill
Okay, I got.
Gaby, will you play Mechanicus 2 when it comes out later this month?
It's like Warhammer XCOM.
Okay, that sounds like a fucking sell to me.
That sounds really freaking good.
I'd love to play that.
However, I need to prepare for the AOE 2 tournament.
So can we put that one on hold?
I'm gonna just wishlist it, okay?
Mechanicus 2, Warhammer 40k, Mechanicus 2.
I just threw up in my mouth.
A little bit of acid reflux.
It's very acidic.
Not because of the game.
I don't like the narration.
I don't want them to tell me who people are.
I just want to have Dante say if it's a tank, DPS, or flying.
Let's see release date 21 May, okay
Uh-huh mobile game UI guys this game looks like a mobile game. Hey, it doesn't look a bit like XCOM
Yeah, this looks super for super fun. I
Love I love everything about this love everything about this wish list it. Thank you for the recommend
I actually bought XCOM on mobile.
It's a very heavy, precise game to play on a 6-inch screen.
Yeah, I... No, I...
Yeah, XCOM 2 is on mobile. I have it there and I don't think it's a good idea.
I have a 2 now. I can help.
I tried playing it and it's just unplayable.
It's annoying. Yeah, he's like harassing me, too.
I get so easy to misclick and then you need to load.
I gotta go creep, I can't protect you right now.
Yeah, it's fun.
Alright.
I'm used to being on my own, bro.
I'm the fucking mone ranger.
Did it hit a wolf?
Did you get a kill?
Did you refound?
No, I kept it.
There you go.
I thought maybe sometime I'll be on a plane and I'll rather do that than read like the
airplane magazines.
Okay, here I am, but to be fair, I'll probably play Slade, Despire or Bellattro more than
like freaking XCOM and try to like move a unit to this hex and then get the perspective
on this one. It's like, oh, come on, man.
We want to go to the other side.
Do you want to attack? Yeah, I'm with you now, actually. I was just creeping behind.
Yeah, we have no camps, so we can fuck up death.
I'm down, I'm so down.
Whisk, whisk, whisk, kill that.
I'll be coming in a second, Jack.
A second one there is.
Nice, good shot, good shot.
No, no, I'm good bro, I'm good.
This guy's getting his mouth shitting right now.
It's been a fucking talk about fiasco inside of there.
Amazing, amazing.
Den Tango one?
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't have a death.
I don't hear pox at all.
This one, some tangos.
Actually it's gonna die.
Okay, we fight this easy, we fight this easy.
I'm gonna entangle another one, suck it.
I will shoot the... the... the... the... the Rangers.
Now the Water Elementor, Water Elementor.
Yeah.
I'm gonna back up a bit.
Okay.
I'm gonna come back, I'm gonna back up.
I got a couple kills and I'm gonna come back up here.
Okay.
I cover you a bit.
But, uh, it's definitely a sheet.
I don't have that much.
Yeah, we're just running chute.
Yeah.
You will see my mana though, that's the problem.
That's the issue, yeah.
Yeah.
I'm happy with the disengager. Come back in G3 right away.
Nice G3 stack.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for Frenzy most of the year.
Okay, let's take the camp here.
Is there a camp here that I can take?
No, no, no. Left of you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is a hard one.
That one is insane. But I can tank it.
Let the rifleman tank it from me, so they can heal.
Okay, box, I'm fine with another hero!
Let the rifleman tank it!
Tanking 40 normal damage to the medium armor rifle.
Joking, I can't heal.
I can heal it, joking, can't heal.
Enough now, let's do it.
No worries.
I don't know where you can have it.
I'm gonna run around.
I will not even farm anymore
Now we just go harassed. I love that Tyler went fuck it support wins games during the team games
Is that what he said cuz he actually did play full support?
Yeah, I'm just holding the fort down right now guys. I'm okay. Just holding the fucking fort down as we speak. You're doing great
I'm gonna come your side. I'm gonna come harass the DK. He's cross-mapping
I think it's like a 2v2 you have to stomp there
Look, Maxim knew that you're supposed to play 2v2 twice, but Hera is breaking the rules.
Right now I'm waiting, right now I'm waiting. So DK has nothing to do besides come over to help, I guess.
I will play my side, of course, with statues and whatnot.
No, you literally can't holy light your ghouls, Iris.
I've been watching that AT&T Annihilator Cup a little bit guys.
The League match.
Is it a different channel?
Is it Lutwyng that uploads it?
Oh yeah, it's Lutwyng.
Oh Lutwyng is where he does his gaming.
Lutwyng is like mainstream.
tournament was so fun. It looks fun. So they played League of Legends and another another
time they're playing the new Riot fighting game to XKO. Then they have Counter-Strike
and then they have one more. I forgot what Street Fighter I guess. And it's kind of cool
like this will be fun kind of league to play like with a bunch of streamers as well. Basically
same idea as my Tony, where you have streamers like learn a game for a short time and then
play. I think it's a really cool Twitch meta. Oh, Call of Duty, yeah. But they've been doing
it for a few years, I think. How many people were there to play League competitively? I
think they have like 20 streamers, like four captains drafted 16 players. So you have like
like five people per team, four teams.
Yeah, Roku, we should try to say,
oh, it's eight captains, 40 players.
You need to have the training arc watching Jinxie League
tournament was painful.
Yeah, so Jinxie just did a one day event, right?
And he allowed people to practice for however long
they wanted to.
But it was not like orchestrated practice.
But look, you call it painful, but that still had
a million viewers, right?
So, for all we know that that's exactly what his goals were. His dream, his goals. It was fun, it was so good.
Gobi, now that the tournament is over, would you mention any of the folks you considered for the tournament that ultimately didn't happen or rather not put a spotlight on them? I'm just curious.
Well, look, I think I'm not going to mention everyone, but let's just take a look here,
right?
If they have an English title and they have a decent viewership, there's a chance I approach
them.
But then again, I see people now that I didn't see online when I scoured the category.
I didn't see Drittat, Natinat.
No way for you I knew him from the sauerkraut event.
I just knew of him, but like you see I was looking for League streamers most of these are not English titles
Now I could I could of course get a Koisarada or
Shit the packs nimity pter Bobo just I have no idea what any of this is Chinese
I thought maybe I should just approach the Chinese streamer or something, but I thought communication could be just
Horrible chair this when we're when we're did you ask no way?
Yeah, I did ask but I think message club lost or something
Yeah
This fucking X you could filter English. Yeah
Yeah.
Well, overshare.
He saw it.
He said he doesn't want to practice as much.
Uh-huh.
Oh, so he said on stream that he declined.
No, I said he can't practice working three because his viewership is purely leak.
Yeah.
No, that makes sense.
Many communities are very insular.
If you're as a streamer building your community on a single game, then you're going to have
a very insular community that doesn't follow you anywhere, no
matter what anyone says. So like, there's always going to be
people that say, I'd watch you play anything, and you make
anything fun. Okay, cool. But you're the minority, sadly.
You're like one in 10.
Inso what insular, insular, like insulated, like it's only
there but not outside like a fridge is insular, it's cold
inside but warm outside.
If you do variety, very long term and you have made it fun, then you can have a very
stable audience following you to many games.
Like you'll have like a certain minimum.
But if you've ever only done Warcraft, ever only done Starcraft, ever only done League
of Legends or Dota 2 and you switch, you're going to go to 10%.
Hey, thank you for the sub, Tutsi.
What made the differences?
Does Tyler1 count as variety?
Tyler1 might be higher on variety than his main league.
I think Tyler1 is in a kind of position where when he does certain varieties, it's actually
going to be higher than his standard.
He has transcended it in some way, but also lower on Warcraft than his League.
I think if Titer 1 goes outside and does something, it's going to be higher than League.
And most people don't have that.
Krabby, I love how Hera finally plays the slaughterhouse in the back in the very last game.
Gribby, you're very lucky in that regard, switching to different games.
Your timing was very good.
You were in a Warcraft 3 box for a long time, too, no?
I still think Warcraft is my main audience space, but I have decent variety, better than
Insular, though not full-flex.
Is there some place?
But look, it's also just quality of content thing, right?
I think if I if I grind high-level tryhard Warcraft, the quality of content is just better than if I miss everyone in Counter Strike.
Like, it's not even just about our people rooting for me to do cool, different new content.
Sometimes the content just sucks.
It's not about loyalty.
It's just it has to be fun.
You have to be able to make it fun.
I'm here, I'm here, I can't help it, I'm trying to take an expo, what do you wanna do Maxim on your side, I think you need your DK, if your DK is also here then we can fuck him up, I'll just have a DK, I'm not sure if it's a good idea but we're gonna kill headhunters so it's kinda weird
You know what, fuck it, just come here then, come here, just come to the thing, help me take this back.
Why not invite SC2 GM masters players who have never played Warcraft 3?
They all struggle with content and we would help them play a better game.
Hey, if they think it's better, they can just switch by themselves, no?
No, that's good though, that's true, true.
Starcraft 2 sucks, Warcraft owns, why aren't they all just switching?
If we just help them switch, then they can all discover green ambassadors.
No, it's true, it makes sense.
The thing is, many people that play SC2 have made Warcraft 3 before.
Like, almost all of them did. So, it's difficult to find noobs.
That's well.
Okay, I come with DK then. I come with DK, Stature's coming too.
I was talking to Gunnar a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah, can you call him by his real name? He said he was down.
I thought it would be awesome if you could get Gunnar to be in a tournament.
Yeah, I love Gunnar, but he's a Dota player, so he was not allowed to join.
Thanks to Hera though, we have broken one curse.
We have not just broken the Dota 2 curse by not inviting any Dota 2 players.
And it's not a curse by the way, you can call it a blessing.
But let's say if patterns persist too much, we don't have a human winner.
And we don't have a Dota 2 pro winner now.
So everything is possible and allowed again in the future.
Now what I need to do, if I ever hold a tournament again, I need to rig it so that an orc or
a night elf will win.
So I'm going to invite 7 Mary Mabies and Sunglitters and then I'm going to invite Flash and put
him on Orc.
Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I'll just wait.
For me, it's super important to fight now. That's my strongest face.
Free thing here?
I can't do Tyler in Cybermary, maybe.
There is one future path there that scares me.
There's many destinies that would lead to a happy ending,
landing and there's one terrible to behold destiny.
You call me?
Yeah.
Not good.
Oh shit.
The big one is like super, super dangerous.
I think that your lips can maybe tank it and you're human.
Yeah, I call you.
I call you.
I don't know.
Or maybe I can do it.
Tyler losing tomorrow.
Yeah.
Tyler was saying yesterday he wouldn't have minded playing Night Elf.
Oh.
I mean, I'm better.
Can you do it?
No, not my question.
I was just afraid to talk to Tyler one about race.
What elo has Tyler hit in this game?
1500 plus?
Tyler might like the game more if he tried out the other races and got some perspective
pros and cons. I think if Titan one tried other races, he would either confirm his bias
that Orc has it the hardest, even though he dislikes Orc mid or two, or he would finally
learn that everyone has their troubles. And he will say, GG well played, sir. Nice night
health play while marketed on the parlor than rifles I know that couldn't have been easy
nice well fuck oh yes execute the good ending nice anyway you live it to it it's good
you guys want just push him back or like I think Aaron I should push push south we
fucked the night off up I'll just I'll hold the front guys I'll be the first line of fucking
the fans as we speak. Yeah, you have the expo, we can break it. Easy, easy, that's free.
We can fuck up the itune of war. Who surprised you the most on the tournament? I've had
surprise from Hera, simply Dante's. I think those three were the biggest
surprises. Simply Hera and Dante's. No Yamato surprise. I could tell he was doing
well for some time. For a while I thought Yamato's gonna win and then in like the
the last day before the tournament, I thought maybe heroins.
On Saturday morning before the tournament, I predicted the top 4 exactly correct.
Or was it Sunday morning?
Sunday morning.
I will try to suck the second one.
I will banish at level 2, then you can, when you see someone a little bit greenish, you
focus them down with your spells I think new king is like that I wish Mary maybe
played another hundred ladder games if she did I think she can get top six
that's the best threat for us because he's doing the same with my with my
pal our guy yeah true true yeah we can double nuke kill the building or the
girls, weird girls, kill the weird girls, focus.
Oh, he did me?
Oh, it's the other side, it's Tyler, Tyler, it's okay.
Yeah, focus, I got it.
It's Tyler, it's Tyler, he's such a bad boy.
Nice, nice, nice, nice.
Back, back a little bit.
There's a lot of people here, there's a lot of people here.
Yep, back up.
Okay, I think we can fight still, that's my strongest face, so we have to fight all the
time.
I love it, I love it.
I'm going into this base right now.
Okay, whose base?
Whose base?
I'm going here, so you guys stay there.
Okay, good, good.
I think that's my boon.
Probably just curious, is it not normal to have a bracket resets in a Warcraft 3 tournament?
Felt like Yamato got the short end of a stick a bit by losing the tournament with only one
loss.
can talk about that a little bit. It is going to be a large soapbox story, though. We're
going to need to bust out the notepad. Double elimination format. If you boil down to a
single rule, it is everyone may lose a series once without being eliminated. This is the
purest interpretation of double elimination, which means, let's say if it's best of three,
it means grand finals, winner bracket guy, 2-1 or 2-0 to win,
and the lower bracket guy, 2-1 or 2-0, x2 to win. This is the purest form, and people call this
bracket reset, even though this is a stupid name, because it is not a reset. It is literally
the opposite. You're resetting nothing. It is just double elimination. But this is what
people use the word bracket reset, and it's stupid. It's true double limb. This is true
double a limb. Okay. Then what is good about this? pros. It's pure. It's double limb. It's
fair for players. What's bad about it? Viewers get confused. Why does he need to win again?
That's so unfair. He just won against him already. And the answer is because he dropped
to LB and it's a pure double elimination system.
But he's really tired.
He just had a long run in LB.
And then the answer is tired?
How do you know?
Why not warming up?
If you run series after series after series and you win,
series after series, you warmed up,
you're like amp the fuck up, you've got momentum,
And this is guy sitting on his cold hand in the winter bracket, seeing you tear through the lower bracket.
The tired argument is a feeling based argument.
You don't know whether a player is tired or not.
All you know is that it's pure double limb, uh, where someone has to win a two series in a row when he comes from LB, which is
fair because he dropped the lower bracket because he sucks, right?
So it's punishment.
And so this argument always happens where people are confused.
Okay.
So there's viewer confusion.
All right. Another one is you'll play on the same maps twice.
All right, because you'll win on Echo and Northern Isles and then you need to do it again.
So there's a sense of repetition, a sense of deja vu repetition. Also, it's a little anti-hype.
If you assume that both players are equally strong, then the win chance is 50-50.
Win chance for one map for either player is 0.5.
When you calculate the expected chance for a player to win,
The upper bracket guy has 75% chance to win the whole tournament by that time and 25%
for the lower bracket.
This is just the statistics.
It is literally a 75-25 advantage.
Now that's fair because the upper bracket guy never dropped to the lower bracket and
the loser bracket guy did.
So he sucks.
And so he deserves to only have 25.
that does mean that there's a sense of anti hype, because most of the grand finals value
was already done when lower bracket guy lost in round two of the upper bracket to some
other dude. That was the real part of the performance that will end up determining if you champion
or not. And so a lot of the value, a lot of the outcome, a lot of the decision making
about who's going to win happened before someone tunes into the grand finals.
And so this system is really good for players and fairness.
It's really good for the upper bracket guy.
It's good for the guy that dominated and then fairly gets what he deserves.
But it's bad for viewers because of confusion, repetition and anti-hype.
A lot of people don't like this system even if they fully understand it.
They don't care about someone already won, someone already lost, he still has a right
to lose, etc.
They just want a finals that feels fair in the finals without caring about the path that
led someone there.
It's less fun.
So as a pro gamer, my opinion from 2003 to probably 2023, this was my favorite system
it wasn't thinking like an org or a viewer, I was thinking like a pro gamer, that if you
win, it needs to be fair, so that you have the 75% chance to win. Right? But it's not
that hype. Okay, then there's another system, you can have double elimination, best of three
system, fully pure, except finals format. So it's not fully pure. And the finals instead
is one zero advantage to win a bracket guy. So it's the best of five that starts like
this. I'll start with the comms. Game one. During game one, score is one oh. Ergo, viewer
confusion. I'm not making some random shit up. This system got used a lot in the history
of eSports. During game two, scores to oh, if you win game two, you win three. Oh, it's
still actively used. Sure. Yeah, I bet it is. I bet it is. Now, the chance to win here,
I believe it's 65%, but I have to check my maths one second.
I think it's 65 or 66 or something.
Hey, Gravi, sorry to interrupt you during your stream.
But I wanted to express my deep gratitude to you and your moderators for the opportunity to restream your tournament over the last three days.
It was a truly amazing show and the Russian viewers really enjoyed it.
If similar events happened, I wouldn't mind restreaming it or participating.
Oh, thank you very much, Bronder.
The percentage chance is 68.75%.
Okay.
So that's the value of this chat.
68.75%. So we go from 75% to 68.75%. So best of 510 transition from a fully best of 3.0
limb still gives a massive advantage to the winner bracket. You could increase it and
you could say it's a best of 710 and that's still like 60% plus. There are some advantages.
And one of the advantages, it almost gives as much advantage as a pure system, but it's
only a single series.
But the viewer confusion is, why is it 1-0 in Game 1?
That's so unfair.
He got a free win.
That's not fair.
This finals isn't fair.
Yeah, true.
It is advantageous to the lower bracket to have only 32% chance to win, because he should
have only 25%.
So now everyone's at odds with each other about like what's actually fair, right?
Then there's systems.
I personally hate this because of the 1-0 confusion.
I never liked it, right?
Then there's a system which is just best of five, nothing else.
So the whole thing, whole tourney is double elimination best of three and then finals.
Okay.
What are the pros?
to understand. Very easy to understand. It's a best of five. I don't care what road they
had here. I just want entertainment. And it's a best of five. Let's fucking go. Right.
clean. Right? It's 50 50. Now a lot of people will defend this system by saying, it should
be this way, because the winner bracket guy still has an advantage because he doesn't
need to play as many games in the lower bracket, that's an advantage in itself. And as someone
that has played from winner and lower bracket, I call horseshit on that. You cannot attribute
nerves, tiredness and momentum to players in a broad strokes approach.
Because everyone's different.
And I often felt very galvanized in my resolve and warming up coming from
lower bracket, the tired argument that everyone seems to so happily apply to
lower bracket guy simply didn't apply to me.
I was not tired from lower bracket.
I was galvanized.
I had momentum.
I had motivation.
The deep run that Singh Singh did last time, Hera did this time, are
proof that tiredness cannot stop you. Or maybe they're not
proof, maybe it's still true, but it doesn't apply to everyone.
But just like the warm up versus tired argument is something
that is way too easily applied to the human psychology that's
much more complicated than that. And the winner bracket guy
might feel really comfortable and have an easy time preparing or
he might be torn up with nerves, having to wait five hours,
while the lower bracket guy tears his way through a bunch of
meet shields and he doesn't even know who he should prepare for because he could meet
four different people and he doesn't know who it's going to be at the day when he wakes
up. He's just watching, you're watching them sweep the lower bracket and you're there sitting
on your cold hands.
This is good because it's fair. It's a fair battle if you isolated away from the road
to the finals. And it also predictable broadcast length. One
of the nightmares that tournament organizers often felt is
that it could be two oh, or it could be one two one two.
And that's a two versus six map difference. So it's a
tournament organizer, timed schedule nightmare, it could be
a sweep, or it could be a long knuckle duster. Is that what
happened to Yamato to cold waiting so long. I know he was making use of his time to stay
busy. So in the end, I settled personally on a system that's close to this, easy to understand,
clean, predictable broadcast length, a finals that is a finals in all its right between two guys
that are the most deserving to be there, a little unfair to the upper bracket guy, yes, but by
itself isolated from the Rust there. And then I gave to map, map advantage, and then LP LP LP,
which means it was Yamato map, Yamato map, then you want to want both those, then it was Hera map
because it's loses big, but Hera won it, and then it was Yamato map. And then finally, it's final
map remaining. And I calculated this will give some points of percentage advantage,
not 60%, not 65, not 68.75, not 75, but more than 50%. He also got the band second. So there's
like a small chance. Small chance both want to ban same map. And because her bands first,
Yamato gets a free map ban, if it was going to be the same. Now it's not likely for it to be the same, but it is possible.
Additionally, even if it wasn't going to be the same, you still get information about the kind of map he's banning and then you get to ban seconds.
So there were a number of small subtle map advantages for the upper bracket guy.
Do you want to show the discord? Yeah, sure.
Yeah, it was it was a upper bracket, upper bracket and an LP LP LP.
Now, the one thing where I think I could make it even more favorite for the upper bracket guy is if the map pool was bigger.
So right now it's seven maps.
And then it's minus BA.
So Hera first and Yamato and then five maps left for a best of five.
the five and so even if it's Yamato, Yamato and then LP, LP and LP because there is only
five maps, eventually you'll play them all. If you indeed, you play your best two maps
first, but then Hera plays his next two next best maps, if he gets the LP, he gets the LP,
this ended up being Hera, but this ended up being Yamato. So still I think picking three
three out of the five maps is an advantage. But if the map was nine maps, let's say if
it was like nine maps, nine maps with BA, and then you have the system which is upper bracket
guy, upper bracket guy, loser pick, loser pick, loser pick, then there are two unpicked maps.
And if you assume on average that the map advantage is balanced that Blizzard did their
drop. Let's say I have 58% chance to win on this map, 56 to win on this map, and then
I have 53 to win on this map. This one is fair. And then I have 47 to win on this. I
have 46 to 44% chance to win here and I have 42% chance to win here. This is the seven
maps. If I get to pick this map, this one and this one, and Hera gets to take this one,
then I have a massive advantage. But that's only true if the maps are indeed split in the
odds like this. If the maps are actually more like this, then it is a very small advantage indeed.
So it really depends on what the theoretical map win chances per map.
Whether the system that I gave is good, right, is good enough, let's say, depending on what you
want it to be. And if it's like this, five maps, and this is the advantage, then Yamato is going to
play 52, 51, then 48, which is Harris pick, and then he gets to pick 50. So that should
still be better. He has three over points and two under points here, he would be a 51%
upper dog to win the finals. Right. And the bigger that the map imbalances are, the bigger
the changes would be because like here, it would be Yamato, Yamato, and Yamato, and this
would be Hera. So you got minus four here, plus four, plus two, then it would be a 52%.
It really depends on the maps, but I did a lot of model planning with this kind of system.
I don't know what the map win chances are going to be for these players at this level.
It's impossible to know for sure, but what I was looking for was any kind of advantage
that makes it feel 100% 50-50 fair to the viewer while knowing that in fact it favors
the upper bracket guy a bit because he has the benefit of not having lost.
should be rewarded for that and I think that my system rewarded whoever is going to be
the upper bracket guy the most. Now I'm not going to say that everyone accepted the tournament
knowing what the rules are. So let's not cry any tears for the upper bracket guy that ended
up losing because people didn't fucking know the rules. They wanted to play anyway. I made
the rules later. So like I can't hide behind that. But I did my best to make the best possible
system with all factors considered. Yeah, I think we're removed past that. Thank you.
Do you regret inviting Hera because it was unfair having a pro? No, I don't regret it at all.
Look, this event is, first of all, it's impossible to have a fair event where everyone is exactly
1000 MMR by the last three weeks. There's too much player agency. And how much they're going to
to prepare practice for me to be able to predict accurately who is going to win.
People could practice two games today or 200 games today.
I don't know what it's going to be.
Secondly, this is a content based tournament where I invite as many big
streamers as possible that are fun personalities, different personalities
come from different games, have different things they bring to the show
and that are willing to work hard to prepare for the show.
at least most of them, and people that bring in big audiences that expose Warcraft 3 to a larger
part of the world, so that from a forever forward, henceforth, people are more connected
among different games and are able to enjoy each other's games better. I've enjoyed playing League
and AE2 and Dota, and it's fun when people also know Warcraft 3, and bringing small streamers
doesn't achieve that, bringing big streamers does.
Hera's interest in Warcraft 3 was genuine and sincere and not a small interest,
and it would be foolish not to use someone that interested in the game to grind.
We had so much fun watching Hera's training arc that it was amazing content.
But you only invited one RTS Pro, it was unfair to the other participants.
You know what else was unfair?
Yamato Kannon had some Warcraft experience. He played the custom game engine. I have previously
seen that Warcraft 3 engine experience is useful. I had him send in a demo and he knows how to build
his base. Hera tried to use Skaulf Blight on a sheep. Right, on day one. So I think if it had
been a two-day, a two-week practice instead of three, Yamato Kannon would have won.
Tider One had a thousand games of experience. That was unfair as well.
well. Pox had 10,000 hours of custom game experience, but said he only played 200 hours
of melee like decades ago, whatever, right? Pox, Yamato, Hera, Tidere were all unfair.
Dante's had more experience than Mary, maybe that was unfair as well. But Hera picks things
up faster. Oh, so I'm not allowed to invite people to pick things up faster. Hera was
very slow at learning during many parts of his training. He kicked it up to 11 and it's
it's credit. We shouldn't discredit people's performances or talent or hard work or discoveries
or tournament preparation just because they did that. I can only invite people that don't
care, that won't work hard, that won't come up with special strategies, don't study their
opponents. Bro is 2KMMR already with 300 APM? No, he's not 2KMMR, Rado. He's 1400MMR.
nearly lost. If Yamato had won, it would have been unfair because he had engine experience.
I know he plays like it, no he doesn't. Put Hera against the 2k, he's gonna get humbled.
Look, Hera is insane, it was fun to watch him, he's a deserving winner. Does he have
more experience and talent than RTS? Yeah, probably. But again, if it had been two weeks of
practice, I think he would have won. How much more did Hera play? The same amount as Yamato,
but Hera had zero experience. You guys are dumb, Hera sucks, I'm 1600 orca with dumb
shame, LOL in all caps. Yeah, Hera sucks. Hera also put in the time. Yeah, guys, if
If Hera was just talented, and he played 100 games in one, that would look pretty bad.
But he played 400 games.
He worked as hard as Yamato Kanon.
And in the meantime, he still had AOE 2.
Are we not gonna dumb...
Look, if we only use the results to judge the tournament by, then is that really science?
Now some people predicted Hera was gonna win.
and feel vindicated with their prediction. They had a hypothesis that it was unfair,
that he was going to win, and then he did. If that's your belief, then yeah, sure, maybe.
But I was equally worried about Hera, as I was about Dematocannon and Pox. I didn't think
Dante's was going to be like that big of a...
But he's a funny clue, I'm glad he played. I was worried about Tyler1 as well.
Because Tidon had a thousand games on people.
And I think if you had a bit more time, with no other events, Tidon could have taken the two.
Simply was a big surprise.
Simply like Hera had zero experience and made it to top three, like that.
like that.
People were saying the same things about the Viper, but when he lost, no one brought it up again.
Yep.
As an Orc now, in tournament Orc, I've seen it all.
Every player that I've invited, almost every player that I invited, I made a huge mistake.
It was so unfair, but most of those opinions are formed over the final result.
Or are coming before the final result and then proven to be wrong and they never brought up again
The viper was a bad inclusion because there's no chance for anyone else
I appreciate that these sentiments are you know
They're real and they're backed up by you know your fandom of another streamer of another player and that people like to see things being fair
And then they feel it's not fair and by the way, I never promised it was going to be fair
So if you still think it's unfair, that's fine
What I'm aiming for is an amazing show and it can only be made amazing by everyone's hard work
And by having a cool club of streamers that are willing to throw themselves at the game and that happened
Big and I think that's a big W big success. I think it went perfectly y'alls says it was an incredible tournament
Kudos for putting it all together creating so many angles for the game
we all love so much. Hey, good to see you guys. Guys, we got a ex pro in chat to in
your German pro human player.
Do you think the amount of hard work from Hera Yamato is detrimental to future
entrance?
But I'm not gonna lie, I invited some big streamers and some people were like,
I'm not sure that I can put in that kind of time and effort. And I don't know
who they base it on, if they had seen anything from my event, seen some of the grind that others did.
But I like hard work. I like seeing the hard work.
How is it unfair if you haven't nearly got wrecked? Yep. Yeah, for sure.
So you think you thermal could have played? Look, I invite anyone to try and hold a tournament
of this nature and find the perfect cast of eight without any mistakes or accusations that it was unfair.
At the end of the day, I have to use my judgment and I saw Euthermal demo the game two years ago
and he looked like fish in water. He looked like fish in water.
It's Uthermo Smurf known, yeah, he's terminal.
This is without any coaching.
He's just playing random stuff.
Oh wait, this is the wrong field.
This is Uthermo without any coaching.
He has more MMR than anyone in the tournament with zero coaching.
He's just doing goofy shit, like look at his hero combos.
He's normalized a lot more, now it's always Archmage Mountain King, but he started, okay,
it's actually not goofy anymore.
That looks really standard now actually.
He started goofy, but it's not anymore.
Super standard. Look at these goofy hero picks. Standard AM
slop. Hi, Groovy. Do you still enjoy playing the game? Or is
it more out of habit? I tend to not play the game if I don't
enjoy it. So when I play it, generally I do. And if I don't,
I take a break. Yeah, you got to remember, I've pretty much
done everything I ever could or wanted to with the game. These
events are my most enjoyable Warcraft content, coaching and
seeing a new generation of players pick up the game. That's
what I get the most satisfaction and enjoyment from. I
still have a couple of weeks arcs per year where I grind the
game and I enjoy it. But usually because I play at high elo, and
at a certain time slot, it's like the same three guys every
single night. And after like two, three weeks of that, just
playing against two, three different people. And there will
be like three people that I can't beat and I meet them every night and then it will be
like seven people that I am basically guaranteed to beat and I beat them every night. And it's
just not as exciting as watching the middle of the pack. Middle MMR is just fucking divine
to watch. Because everything is possible. You can climb, you can drop, it's always close,
it's always exciting, it's fraught with mistakes. Unless I'm trying to get rank one in the world
again. A ladder rank for me is satisfying for some weeks. Right. And I'm not, I'm not looking
to try and become rank one in the world again. There's so many challenges in life that are
fun to do like play another game and try to get good at it other strategy games so much
fun. I grubby I love the tournament. The content from training with Mary and Dante's with you
and especially with Sol really drew me in. It was way more interesting for me to watch
somebody who knew nothing yet like me. Then I could care more about the better players
from there. That's awesome. That's exactly what I was hoping for Lewis. Cheers.
When you play against Happy, would you lose no chance? Yeah.
Krabi, would you erase your Warcraft memory to start playing over again?
Is it just my memory that's erased or yours too?
Am I going to play with an audience that remembers what I was and forgot everything or is everything bracket reset?
Yeah, minus one wife, true.
Do you think you could stomp AO2 crowd if you invested the time? How's the talent there you think?
I mean, I think it's tough because it's a different engine. I climbed to 1700 MMR in AO2 on a few different sieves.
But there's a lot of talented people out there in the world, so yeah, it depends how hard everyone works.
Would you consider a higher tier invitational with the guys that did really well in the
previous edition?
The storylines are really starting to develop and having them return for casting was great.
I think the network keeps increasing.
The network of people that we know keeps increasing and I like that.
We've had 23 different participants to the invitational.
I'm hoping that some of these guys will come cast a future one and you know is a winners
tournament can be interesting. Yamato with Hera, together with Ampy and Dendy and then
Sing Sing and Churrin. Yeah, that sounds pretty fun, right? But also, you have to be careful
not to do like a clean repeat of the same format, the same. I always want to have some
things different as well. Because I think if you try to chase the same high of one event
and try to build it exactly the same with the exact same concept or the exact same people.
It's going to not be his novel anymore. So did you invite Alois from League? I did and he said yes,
but he couldn't play on Friday and Saturday. So I uninvited him because I wanted to hold it over
Friday to Sunday.
If he put the same effort in Warcraft 3, who do you think would win head to head?
Well for a long time Hearthstone won't, again a lot of people are forgetting, Hearthstone
is already 2k MMR.
Hearthstone is 2k, Uthermo is 1.4, Hearthstone was playing when he was 14, Uthermo first
timing.
At least he won Jinx's tournament, oh yeah he won Jinx's tournament, right?
Please don't tell me it was Alois so sad now. What do you mean so sad about what?
Gribby I want to ask you a question if you could go back 20 years would you change the
race you compete with in the Helmo? I wanted Alois to join favorite streamer. Yeah he's
a good streamer, good player. He coached me. His coaching was very good too but again he
He can't play on Fridays and Saturdays.
So basically I asked Tyler, he said yes, and he said he can't play on Thursdays.
He didn't say why, but I now know it's because of the AT&T and I later got.
Alois couldn't play on Friday and Saturday.
So if I take Tyler and Alois, then I would have to run the event from Sunday to Tuesday
or Monday to Wednesday.
And it was just a weird schedule because it's much harder for people to watch outside of
the weekend. So basically, Hera won a Warcraft 3 tournament while also playing a top tier
A.W.2 tournament simultaneously. Yeah, but he lost the A.W.2. He lost the A.W.2 match.
It's not good enough to win both. He now has like five days to win.
Now that we've just settled, I just want to say, man, that that jacket and necklace look
was top notch.
Thank you, thank you, my wife dressed me up.
I got some pictures for my wife.
You guys want to see pictures of my wife?
She sent this.
The chickens.
Chickens are all nestled up on the top roosting bar.
She has some nice cocks, yeah.
Can you tell which one is?
You can't tell actually.
Oh my god, they're so cute, look at this.
They're all on the top roost.
There's four roosts, you know.
They have a wife, you know.
Look at this guy, he's like.
And this one is like, I'm gonna walk all over these.
Wait, is this a second beak?
Look, there's a second beak right here underneath this one.
AI generated sloth?
No, it's not.
This is our chickens.
AI sloth?
No.
Good.
It's not AI.
Are you going to invite Sebastian or Lyrie to next continue dismantling the AoE 2 pro
scene?
Hell yeah.
Gabby was this the best event in terms of the characters in the tournament compared
to the other Tornys?
I liked all the characters in every tournament.
I handpicked all of them.
Look guys, it's chicken shit.
The girl with the annoying voice was annoying to be honest.
Dante's?
Which one are you talking about?
I don't remember any annoying voices.
But yeah, of course, look, I can't expect all of you to like all of them.
I can't expect all of you to like me.
And do you think that the audiences of the 23 invitationals, do you think they all like
me?
Hell no.
There's plenty of people that think I'm cringe or boring or lame or whatever.
That's fine.
fine. What made you predict that Harry would win the tournament? Oh, he had like an insane
ladder run. This one. When I saw this, I was like, Oh, okay, we're now in Super Saiyan
territory. All right, on day one on the clan war, it's one thing and on day two, we lost
to simply and that looks really mortal. But then he did this, I'm like, Oh, this is what
What Hera does is push to the brink, lost, put to shame, and then he's only going to
connect all the dots.
I guess he's going to win.
Can you talk about viewer-wise how good this tournament was compared to the other tournament?
Yeah, let me see.
Live, popular, alright.
So if you look at the Onlyfangs Invitational, 14.15 March, 120k views on the YouTube stream,
124k and 103k.
And then the second streamer invitational, 19 April, 80k, Delta of Champions Day 374,
4. So it looks like Alter of Champions Day 3 and 2 actually overtook the first day of
the 2nd streamer invitational, whereas this one still has more for now. And then Alter
of Champions Clan War Day on Friday is underneath the 2nd streamer invitational. And then when
I rate led World of Warcraft, Multicoronixia, that one is still above Alter of Champions
Day 1. So it's very competitive with those. Now of course these could still have had views
since the live show. And I guess we can see on Twitch Tracker too.
Yeah, I think the Clan War was very good, maybe because it was on Friday, which is less
of a good day than Saturday. That's why it was less viewed.
How do I see the top streams?
Max viewers.
Where's 2020, 2018, 2020, 25 January?
Where's May?
Oh, here.
26.
There.
Oh, here.
Here, all right.
Maximum CCV on Onlyfang's Invitational first tournament,
42,830.
And second day, 40,600.
43K and 40K.
And then the second streamer invitational was 22K max
and 26K on the finals day.
And actually, I don't know these numbers yet for the current one, but they look thicker.
21k on Friday, Clan War, Alter of Champions 26.8 on Saturday, and 31,000 on Sunday.
So this one is over the second streamer, Irrotational with the strategy game streamers,
which came hot off the back of the first one.
I think that's even more impressive because overall viewership is lower.
Look, in the days leading up to the tournament, my stream was at 12K, 14.5K, 10K, 12K, 10K,
11K, 11K, 10K.
So it was 10K every day because I was basically watching Tider One and Soda Popping, and a
lot of their viewers came over to watch my stream to see what I'm saying about their streamer.
And it also came right off the back of World of Warcraft, right?
came right off of the back of the World of Warcraft hype. And so there was a lot of like
transitive viewership of people that stopped watching WoW and then went to the next thing
where the two chieftains went. When you look at the prelude to this one, I only had 6,000
to 7,000 viewers every day. Right? Which is almost half of the prelude to the only facts.
But the viewership came very close.
It came almost as close to this viewership as it came to this one.
And so I consider that this event was actually qualitatively better, more enjoyable for people.
Based on the contrast between the lead-up and the actual event.
Do you get what I mean?
So if this event quality had been held here with the same people, it would have been
even more, I think, because it was better.
The plan war was super fun.
Q. Alter of Champions was amazing.
What would you say went well and what not so well?
A. I think everything went well.
I can't complain literally about anything.
I just think we got so lucky already.
I can think of, and I did think of, hundreds of ways how it could have gone worse.
I can think of hundreds of ways how it could have gone worse.
Now the lack during Yamato simply, yeah, the unfortunate.
How about figuratively?
Figuratively, uh, what would, I think the biggest upset would be if like simply wins,
That would be like a cool offset, like so unexpected.
Even though, viewer supplies, you may not be the biggest star,
but I think it'd be cool.
I think hero winning is super cool too.
And I think Yamato cannon winning would be super cool.
I think Tide 1 winning would be super cool.
And let's not even see a craft on Dantes,
maybe the chance was not too high.
Same with Maxim.
Pox as well.
Like I think we had five contenders
where any one of them winning
would be like a really cool storyline.
Max and Mary maybe in Dante's didn't play for the same chances.
Why were your numbers high and fall?
Actually, I don't know.
What was I doing here?
Maximum viewers every day 10k.
Is this Dota?
Yeah, it's Dota.
But why so many?
Was it like all the coaching arcs?
because I was getting a lot of coaching,
like every day I was getting coaching, I think.
I was A to Zing, and I was coaching.
And it's a peak of the year, and maybe COVID,
was COVID in 2020, was COVID at the end of 2022 or not?
That and Dota fans know you're a legend.
And that's now tempered by my crash out.
That's 21, right?
2020, 21.
What's the ad on the left of the screen?
Uh, play for free in your browser.
Guns of glory. Oh, they got guns, alright.
But it's AI art, guys.
These girls don't exist.
Though the players wanted to see a good positive person get corrupted.
Ha ha ha.
Nah, I think a lot of people liked that I wasn't jaded yet.
It's, I don't think people watched mostly for the corruption arc.
I think they watched for the uncorrupted, wide-eyed enjoyment of the game.
Because the game is amazing.
I didn't even get that corrupted just a little bit.
Maximum viewers, 894. Warcraft 3.
Wait, I don't think these were streams. I think this is rerun.
Is it? This must have been during a trip and I did a rerun or something.
There's no way this was... those were not real streams.
Yeah, all of these gray areas, they're actually reruns.
And it used to count those as well.
Have you considered doing any events for other games like HOTS?
Yeah, I consider, the only two games I seriously considered doing an invitational ala varka
3 right now is Heroes of the Storm and Dota 2.
I think those would be like cool vessels, but because they're team games, it's much
harder logistically.
And also, I'm afraid to bring people into the toxicity of a multiplayer game like that.
Just because I considered it doesn't mean it's likely.
Were you not afraid when you left Dota 2 because of the viewer number drop?
Streamers like No Way Off and say they wish to play something else but it's such a viewer
drop.
The thing is, Dota 2, I had a lot of viewers, but Dota viewers don't subscribe a lot.
So even though you lose a lot of ccv and ccv can give you job satisfaction, the ratio of
subbing is very low.
We don't play as a broke boys, hey, I'm not gonna dunk on that, I understand, I understand.
Yeah, playing free games for a reason. Sure, play free games, but you have 100 skins.
Were you worried someone might forfeit like T90 or something?
Thank you for streaming WC3 for which 40 year olds.
Thank you, Sikao. I appreciate it.
Someone asked, did you worry that someone might forfeit like T90?
Okay, I don't think, I like to make a little bit of fun T90 sometimes, like just bringing
it up, but just just fun and memes, because I love that guy.
T90 didn't forfeit.
He got a little frustrated, and then we negotiated his surrender.
It's not a forfeit.
And if you're wondering if I was worried someone might forfeit, yes, I was worried that someone
that gets very emotional might forfeit, and then I have to find another player last minute.
don't like it. T90 didn't forfeit. But what you guys don't know is that I had like five or six
confirmed invites for this tournament that after several days or weeks withdrew which sent me into
a panic and frenzy because things were materializing and I suddenly have to find new players.
That was stressful. My moths know. My moths know. And you guys don't know.
Did you shout at your moths? My moths know what I did. Do I shout at moths? I have never
Never once shouted at my mods.
Never once.
Mods?
He beats us.
No!
Shut up!
Okay, I want to know if actually two players or those two players are initially more talented
at Warcraft 3.
Can you make it happen?
Not right now.
Okay, did you have any suspicions during the games that some of the participants may
listen to the stream during the game?
Alright, what that would need is that a streamer sets up their audio in a way where they can hear the stream, but the stream does not.
This is possible, but streamers are lazy.
And so setting it up just for cheating might just be a little bit too much effort.
More likely a mult would have to help them with it.
Now, part of the reason I don't want to offer a large price pool is because it incentivizes
cheating more and I don't want a cheating scandal.
Gambling and face-saving cheating are two reasons that devalue competition.
That's also why I prefer bigger and richer streamers, even though it kind of seems like
a, it seems kind of lame where it's like, oh, the rich get richer or whatever, but like
it removes much of the financial incentive for cheating.
Because I like pure competition as pure as possible without the risk of cheating.
You know, some of you may know the chess player, the Western or American chess player that
competed a lot in Russia against Russians and stuff.
And he became very suspicious and paranoid of Dr. Lupo still cheated.
I know he did.
Hans Neumann.
No, no, no, no, no, like 50 years ago.
Yeah, Bobby Fisher, Bobby Fisher, right?
He became very paranoid that there were forces at work to cheat and disadvantage him and
I think it's based on truth and I have personally experienced unpleasant, unfair circumstances
that seemed rigged against me and I'm extremely allergic to it.
I look for like, I guess I'm naive about these things or like purist or optimistic that I want them to be I want competition to be like as real as possible without gambling, throwing match fixing rigging cheating, etc.
But yeah, it was mental by the end. Yeah, I did. I do think he got mental by the end. But I don't, of course, I don't know why.
Tell the story example. I was once at a tournament at LAN.
The start time for the tournament was 2 p.m.
So I planned my entire sleep schedule, breakfast schedule, wake-up schedule around it.
If an event is at 2 a.m., I'm going to wake up at 10, eat a hearty breakfast.
By 11, I'll have eaten and showered and pooped.
then I go to the event, I get there maybe at 12 and I have two hours of warm up and settle up
settling in maybe 45 minutes of technical setup any leave time for you know like an admin to help
with drivers or whatever then I have an hour plus to settle in get my mind in the game and do some
warming up right so my wake up time is going to be 10 a.m thank you for the stuff appreciate it
at 8am knocking on the door yeah I wake up I open the door I almost did the
accent I don't want to make this about any country or accent grubby grubby you
have to go to the tournament. You have to go to the tournament. You have to wake up.
You have to wake up and go. And I'm like, why? It's like, yeah, it's starting now. The tournament
is starting now. I'm like, I'm still sleeping. I mean, I'm already woken up. It sucks, right?
But I get starting now. I go to the event. I get rushed. I hate feeling rushed. This
messes with my mindset. My mindset preparation for the tournament is getting disrupted because
I got woken up too early. I don't sleep enough. I'm getting rushed. I'm made to feel guilty
for being too late. I was told the time that was wrong. Now I'm mad that they can't tell
me the right time. I get to the event early. I hear the start time is 2pm after all. So
some people trolled me, stole my sleeping time and got me there and now I'm going to waste my idle energy time and it's going to just drain away through the fucking floor, my competitive energy.
Alright.
Tournament finally starts at 5.
I got Sabotage. Tournament starts late.
They made me come early.
And do you know when all the players arrive that are of the same players of that country?
3pm, 4pm, they're filtering in comfortably.
Like, it's like they knew, but I'm there already.
Like, aren't they worried about being late?
I guess they didn't get woken up early.
You still want a tournament, right? Hell no!
Could be way faster if you could show the chickens.
Yeah, sure.
Thank you for the sub. Appreciate the flesh wound. Did you name them all? No, none of
them are names. Are these Grimstickets? Yeah. Why shower before poop? No, I always poop
before shower. I just said it in another order. Hey, Gobi, I watched your event. It was a
blast. I wanted to ask if your hero spotlights series will be continued or if that's done
for now. Hey, I think that's gonna be my next video, Star Tail. But it might be in
months, because I have an Aoe2 tournament coming first.
Is that comfortable? They seem so on top of each other. Not trying to be weird. I
don't know, not about chickens. Yeah, they're comfortable once they stop
moving. Just now we watched the chickens for a few hours. It was very relaxing. We
just sit on the floor and watch the chickens literally for a few hours and they were trying
to settle in in the enclosure in some patch of dirt that had a ray of sun and they'll
lie down settle in another one lies down next to them very close very comfortable and then
another one walks all over their head walks over their head and then it's like like get
It's like, no sense of personal space.
So if they get settled in, yes, comfortable, but sometimes they just be at each other.
Is there a link for the AoE tournament?
I'm not sure.
Let's see.
Hey, thank you for the sub map, appreciate it.
I hope Hera invites some other people like Ruby, otherwise it will be giga stomp.
Yeah, there's gamers.
I think Tara already announced a bunch of people.
Yeah, who did she announce?
I don't want to steal any announcements.
Day 9, Atriach, Sing Sing, Uthermal.
Who else? Yamato Cannon?
Cool, right guys? Yamato Cannon.
Yes, Sing Sing.
Oh man, that is really cool that he got Yamato Canon.
I think he made that decision last second when he got acquainted with him in the tournament.
I don't think he knew he was going to invite Yamato like a week ago.
Are you ready to study 18 hours a day, Groovy?
All unconfirmed?
Is it unconfirmed though?
I don't want to invite Tyler one, but he thinks Tyler one hates him now. How would that happen?
Are you gonna play Ethiopians again, or are you switching?
I played a lot of non Ethiopian stuff by the way a lot of people don't know this
What's the website again? GrubbyAO2 profiles.
What a feel-it!
I played loads of different sifts.
Look, overall best sifts Hindustani, 46 matches.
People make it like I'm some kind of Ethiopian spammer.
But look at this. What's the difference?
Tatar, Malay, Hindustani, I play Ethiopians.
Where do I see all my sifts? Statistics? No, this is...
You play only open maps? Okay, and you think that Hera's gonna hold a tournament with the only
water? Like, it's all Archipelago. We're gonna practice some obscure Archipelago map.
In the middle of the landing page, there's a section you can expand the sift. Okay, middle of
all matches, sifts, look, I play all kinds of sifts. Are you going to play Ethiopians
again like I'm some one trick? 113 Ethiopians, 46 Hindustani, 33 Malay, Wei Chinese, look
I just like the Asian sifts. I love Asian sifts. See? I have yellow fever. Of course
Ethiopians are African. Where are Byzantines from? It's literally exponential. But when
you think about it, I'm very versatile. There's few people that are as versatile as me. Look
at this, Inca, human, Spanish, Ceresans, Persians, Koreans, Huns, Tatars. It's too many to mention.
like 25 different civs. This is also Europe Asia line. I see I see how big are the sift
differences? Okay, let's answer this together. Warcraft three, general gameplay skill, knowledge
and theory percentage. Okay. And then race specific skill, percentage, knowledge, micro,
micro, what are the percentages? You already did that before? Yeah, but now I want to do
together. This might be something like this. I think you lose 15% scale when you
race switch from your expertise in Warcraft to another race. Maybe 80-20.
relatively asymmetric 75 25 65 35 I think 80 20 is 80 20 is good I think if
you're very new or very experienced this number changes by the way 60 44
average 80-20 per cosine. 80-2. Same question. Is it 90-10? Let's say I have knowledge of
what the unique unit does from different sips. It could be 90 10 or 95 5. Yeah, I think so too.
But let's say it's maybe like 92 eight.
But if you're so new that you don't even use your sift mechanics, it may even be higher
Closer to a hundredth.
Did you play more than two Mapuche games? I did. I don't know why they don't show up.
Where's Mapuche?
Yeah, I don't know why they don't show up. I played more. I was spamming Mapuche for a while.
So this game doesn't have everything.
Kirby, I think the Warcraft race differences are much more than double the difference in
Aoe2.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it might be 75.
So in other words, it shouldn't be as difficult for me to race switch, SIF switch in Aoe2
as it is for people.
Have I never played Mongols?
Yeah, I don't like playing Mongols because they're OP.
They're super OP in AOE 4 so I barely ever touched them and they're OP in AOE 2, I can
just tell.
I don't like playing OP shifts.
Mungles OP in low elo true, you're saying that like Hera doesn't win everything with
mongles, it's the best shift ever.
In low elo, mongles are indeed true but if you just position right and you play the game
with the knowledge required with the minimum level of play at high elo, anything above
900 you'll find actually that mongo is very easily countered laughs in boar steel laughs in insane amount of meat into a
Mangeetai rush at eight minutes with monks and
Springles scorpions
Like this is just mongo coping people that play mongo to cope with easy wins with no skill
Well, they have literally zero farms at home and then food economy with 17 villagers idle food economy of zero
But they keep making gold and wood base
step lancers and just winning the game with it like actually Mongols aren't
that good they're actually kind of weak but I just know the specific tricks with
them how I can win a lot of games with no skill the better in a we for now and
Mongols were insanely good today we for wrong his best service Chinese ah Chinese
Chinese, I think legitimately is good at high elo and bad at low elo and I think for me
they're about average.
Can you please explain again but refer to units by tanks raised and flying.
Just ban Arabia, I ban Arabia and I have no problems with Mongols.
Yeah, where's Aoe4 in the numbers, by the way?
I think Aoe is much more like Warcraft 3 than Aoe2.
Aoe4.
It's something like this.
Maybe even more than Warcraft.
It might actually be 7030 or something.
Do you know Calder personally?
Yes.
AoE 4, you're legitimately playing a little minigame when you play certain civs.
The difference between playing like Delhi where you're going to go for like a tier 2
sacred side attack or Holy Roman Empire where you play the relic minigame more than anything
or the old roosts, though I heard they're changed, where you have to kill all the deer
all over the map. There were such different skills. But Grubby, you're so much better
on Orc than other races, no? Am I though? Am I though? I'm 25 on Orc, 2250 on Undead.
There's only 250 MMR difference. That's 10%. By my MMR, if MMR was a straight line,
which it is not. The disparity between my elo is 10%. When I go from 100% to 90%. If MMR was a
straight line, which it isn't. I have no idea how to measure the line of MMR. I don't think it's
them. I don't think it's a straight line at all. I think there's a really big difference between
25 and 22.50 compared to 250 and 500.
If you're under player Orc, it has a 20% chance to win.
That's disgusting, by the way. My under should have no chance against my Orc.
I find that idea so offensive
that I would have a 20% chance to win against my Orc, statistically.
Because my under is trash.
Grubby, next tournament, you should try to get all the top FPS streamers, like Shroud,
Summit, Tariq, etc.
Yeah.
Hey, I would do that.
I would do that.
Would they?
I don't think they would.
You're under the MMR is better than my 4 MMRs combined.
Hey, but don't worry about it, Archbishop Dave.
It's not the straight line.
Hey, Gobi, I knew I started playing as the undead race
for starters.
Is it bad to use Autocast on the spellcasters?
No, it's okay.
It's okay.
Better to use Autocast.
Keep Autocast on until you get to 900 MMR
on the B3 champions.
You can keep on Karrion Beatles on your Crypt Lords,
Autocast, Frost Armor on Lich, Autocast,
or just don't pick it.
You can keep on Raise Dead and Karris Auto Cast on Banshee and Necro.
Once you get to 900 MMR, try to turn it off when you're against creeps.
And don't have Hero Auto Cast at all.
Hey, Grubby, love the whole tournament.
Watch the whole thing since the coaching arc.
I don't even play Workout 3 at all, but I fell in love with the whole thing and I'll
definitely save up for Workout 3 unless I become a streamer across fingers to get invited
for next edition.
all right you get you need five hundred ccp minimum
five hundred concurrent viewers crimson doll
hope you enjoy the show for me what about
real-life celebs instead of streamers like sydney sweeney
uh... leonardo de caprio et cetera i think it would be awesome for the game
i think that's cool
i i do want to be picky though i wouldn't just invite any celebrity
Can we get Trump in the next one?
Yeah, let's get Trump.
Let's get all the ex-presidents, Trunk and Joe Biden, and we get Barack Obama, and we
get, yeah, let's get them all.
Let's get them all.
And then what about rappers?
Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50 cents.
We get Elon, yeah.
And you're allowed to let people play for you.
What about Onlyfans stars?
I think if I knew someone's main content is Onlyfans, I think I might not invite
them to the event.
Because the goal is to get people interested in Warcraft 3, but I'm afraid
that many people wouldn't be strong enough to keep thinking about Warcraft 3
if I do that because of the strong physiological drive.
You know, the procreation drive that's being baited too much.
There would be too much baiting.
He draws the line there, yeah.
Jeremy Lin is basketball player that I know played Dota and pretty sure played some dub
C3.
Okay, Jeremy Lin, can you ask him for me since you know him, Trusloth?
Jeremy Lin, I see, I see.
Kimony is an American former basketball player. 1988. He's a bit old. 38 years old. You're
the famous one lol. Yeah, but you said you know him. We gotta leverage your contact.
you know what would be cool guys if we could get a tournament with like sport stars like
my favorite sport stars what's his name Gary Kasparov Roger Federer Nadal 76 months
Yohan Cruyff?
Ronald Kuman?
Hiddink?
Yohan Cruyff is dead? Wait, really? Fuck.
When? Ah, shit. 2016.
I wasn't doing invitations, was I?
Gigi.
A decade.
Put him on a date then.
You know it's Gillett and not personally, but I know of him.
David Attenborough.
Yeah.
Instant queue.
Oh yeah.
They added this now for some servers.
What do you guys think about it?
five second cooldown. You can queue your actions before. I like the cooldown because I often
tap into the game late, but what I don't like about it is that you can queue actions
already. It takes away the frenzy where you're supposed to play takes right. The headliner.
Thanks Taliesin. Who's playing where's UI? Alright, alright, alright, I'll turn it on,
I think 3 seconds is better than 5, yeah maybe, but something that really takes me like 3-5
seconds to get into the game.
Like it doesn't tap from W3 champions fast enough into the game.
So I'm just always late with my hero, it felt pretty bad.
So I like that they did this, but you can send your acolytes to gold and take one and
make altar and send ghoul to lumber all before the timer resolves which is a
little OP
they even allow zooming out now these days guys
see 50-50 that it dies so you always want to chase the chicken
to where your hero can easily summon
we will investigate if we can disable the Q-ing
oh, okay, Elephant, yeah
I know you said you don't know if you can yet
I'm chasing my chicken right now
Good luck with that.
I don't care about APM guys, APM is for vanity.
Who cares if Hera has more APM?
I forgot to summon Forp Singer.
I do care a lot about that, that was not good.
Disrespecting me thinking I can't do it
I'm gonna die.
My life would be
Oh, I'm gonna die.
I'm gonna die.
Where should I go?
I'm gonna die.
for the next game.
I should order.
My vengeance is yours.
At last.
Yeah!
This is it!
Yes!
Let's go!
Yeah!
I believe I have a purpose.
My summoner is complete.
My power force is 100%.
Who's that?
I'll be your station.
Yeah.
Call me.
The order leads me.
Yeah.
I'm getting nerfed.
I was in the United now I tried.
If you want to win that bath then go ahead and win then.
Why is he throwing rocks?
I
of
Just in this runout
I don't know what it is.
My name is...
Research Mordor.
My questions.
My pieces.
My name is...
Rock.
and
the
I think you should see this, the summoning is complete.
You caught me.
No way!
I think you should see this.
I...
My vision...
As you...
You caught me.
GG. I beat 2400 MMR. Nice.
I actually learned from the tournament.
I never had the confidence to play against Night Elf as I've been for a long time.
The pre-Devour was sick, yeah the Devour started before the animation finished on the bear,
the Insta-Sack, learned from Hera, yes.
Who is that guy from Peru?
Yeah, he's from Peru.
His name is Hunter, he's the third best South American player.
Decent for you, thanks.
Nice reduced devour
What's this
So we I just get out of context clip
Grumpy it was like I was watching happy yeah
Yeah, this undead play would have beaten Grubby's org so hard.
Yeah, you think?
You think?
Uh, one thing to add, your slaughterhouse was too far in the back.
Oh, Chippy in front, right?
Too slow in awful positioning.
Kappa.
That's a reference to the video.
Okay, I don't know. I don't know.
You little snagger, good for you.
You're under this definitely your second best race.
I think it is now, weirdly enough.
Weirdly enough.
Look at that, almost 2300.
I should try to get to 24 sometime.
That's a challenge.
It'll be fun.
Did you keep your fiends in the back by the end by accident or do you feel they'll be
killed?
No, it was accident.
Can someone explain what coil means?
Yeah, coil is a spell from the Death Knight. It's called Death Coil. It's a 100-200-300 damage spell or 200-400-600 HP heal.
Depending on if you cast it on enemy or defense.
Grabby, how did you crush the first battle like that? Did you hero focus too hard?
Ooh, clips.
I hero focused.
Let's look at the tools. I'm level 3-1, he's 3-2, so I have an advantage in a third hero.
I'm 42 pop. He has two bears, two dryads. Let's see. Let's say that he has eight
Wisdom Woods, five on gold, that's 13. Two heroes is 23. Two bears is 31. Two dryads is
37, 2 archers is 41. So I think we're on similar population right now. I have a
scroll of the beast which is a double attack upgrade on all units and heroes
for 45 seconds. It is very strong and I actually used it. I think I win this
because of scroll.
There's the scroll on a ghoul and three heroes.
He immediately abolished it on everything.
Never mind.
It's gone.
Okay, then I guess I won by a rod of necromancy.
Look, I have two rods.
I try to keep my ghouls away from demon.
also low mana or he could have emulated. There's the first rod that's three units.
There's the second rod. I have Inval Potion. Look at all the skeletons, that's four skeletons.
And I have good items on Lich, Circloth Gloves orb. And I can use the forest to hide destroyers.
So they suddenly become a non-target for him. Does this spell reduce the number of auto-tags
dryads to? It can. Optimal is dryad spear, abolish, and then dryad spear again. But if
you're on auto-cast, they will just do it or interrupt it at like any time where it's
going to happen. So yes, if dryads dispel, there's most likely going to be a slower following
auto attack, but I don't know the exact DPS. I feel like if you don't focus Ghouls, you're
always going to be losing fight against Undead. Yeah, it's actually so easy to ignore Ghouls
because you think they'll eventually die to splash damage anyway, emulation, fork, whatever.
But and I make the same mistake sometimes that I don't focus Ghouls and archers because
I see I see like low HP tier one units as trash units like what are you more afraid of dryads and bears or archers
Well, you're more afraid of dryads and bears of course
But the archer is the easy to kill unit that gives exp makes you get level ups and has high damage for their cost
so
It's actually yeah, it's the same with ghouls ghouls are very high damage high mobility high damage
But they're very untanky so they should absolutely be killed one by one before going for a hero
Yeah, I think target firing heroes was maybe not correct for him
Hey, I just wanted to say well done for the tournament
I was so impressed that how well organized and produced it all was with the guest you brought in as well
Thank you for the great event. Thank you man. Thank you man
I see that as a big compliment to also my whole mod squad who helped organize so much of it
Probably have any tips for a 1400 mmR human against undead I have 20% win rates in that matchup
You have to fast expand and then attack the tier 3 with knights flying.
Like how Yamato played it correctly.
Do you play fast expo into tier 3, Skifi?
Fast expo into tier 3, Triple Hero.
With knights and flyings.
It's the only reliable way to win against Undead with humans.
Grubby, there was this one moment where you DM'd to me and you asked Soda, Cast, with
no explanation in the middle of a game.
It's like the kind of notes I write for myself, what I'm like in the midst of something and
I need to write myself a note so that I remember what I need to do later and I'll write something
like that.
read it back I'm like that could fucking mean anything what the fuck does that mean are you
asking me if I think it's a good idea you're suggesting him and I just need to tie it together
he already agreed and I just need to join the server there's no idea what you mean
I don't even remember now what it meant whether he was already confirmed or not
Rui.
Rado said, I watched Undead do Lich first to harass Human Expo.
It was pretty cool, but he lost in the end.
Human was Yamato coach.
Okay.
Human was Yamato's coach.
Death Note.
Okay, so Death Note won against a guy that lich first harassed.
No, no, no.
I opened that conversation, Rui.
I think I DM'd him, and then I don't know what order I DM'd you.
Where's our bro Logan?
He didn't want to come.
I get him? I think if I feed him now, I can convince him to come upstairs. But he's becoming
an old boy. He doesn't always want to come upstairs anymore. Unless I carry him. I could
just carry him. We tried to like, we tried to ask him to come up and he just was like
this. He was lying in his bed. And he just looked like that. And we're like, come on,
well then come out of it he's like okay just leave him then yeah at first he was
downstairs with the wife didn't want to come with me wife he's still downstairs
and after that he's still don't come up just want to sleep in the bed after that
I found out he was streaming the tournament at that moment already
already. Ah, gravity has to every been a spiritual success, it's a Warcraft 3. There's a couple
of games that are a little bit like Warcraft 3, I wouldn't call them a spiritual successor,
but the games that are a little bit like Warcraft 3, a little bit, just a bit. There's Spell
12 Force 3, Godsorn, and it was that other game Scouring.
I think these three are the closest to it.
They even named this similar to Reforged.
I think Reforged is the most forced addendum I've ever seen, the most horrible name addition
that I've ever seen, especially after Warcraft Reforged, but it's actually before, but anyway,
I think there's such an ugly addendum, Reforged. But anyway, outside of that, the campaign was
actually good. There's also mild sexual themes.
bought sold why are those similar because this game is magic buffs debuffs units RTS
battles and and kind of like heroes in XP you see plus 20 XP so this game has
heroes in units that's why it's a little bit similar even though it's it looks
much more fantasy realism than like the cartoony cartoonishness of Warcraft 3. This game was
legitimately quite fun. And then there's God Sword which is again an RTS with heroes. It's a
little bit like Age of Mythology and Age of Mythology is a little bit like Warcraft 3 but
it's quite different. This game was quite fun too. And then the Scouring is actually unapologetically
very copycat-ish. It's very similar. It's orcs and humans.
And there's no real spiritual successor to the game. You know, the first spiritual successor
to Warcraft 3 was Stormgate.
By the team that was in the studio that made Warcraft 3 and Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty,
we bring you the new RTS that's a little bit of everything, Stormgate.
There's creeping but there's no heroes, which means you piss off both Starcraft and Warcraft
fans.
Matchmaking service disconnected.
W2 Champions is down.
Why did Stormgate fail?
No, we can't discuss that. I only have two to three hours left of streaming.
There's no time.
Kirby, why did you back then choose Warcraft 3 over SE?
Starcraft Prood War, eventually all my friend list was migrating, so I was just bandwagoning.
Much making servers being updated, give it a minute. Okay, could be any more old and
era. I think I satisfied my old and era craving for now, can always come back to it. The more
you play something, the more like small flaws come to the forefront. And the thing that
I have right now the most is that the music is starting to feel repetitive for all an era.
I would like a little bit more music. I am interested to revisit Slave Aspire 2,
but I also don't mind waiting for more patches. For Slave Aspire 2, I think Regent is extremely
fun, so is Necrobinder, but I'm not enjoying Ironclad, Defect, and Silent as much. Silent,
because I keep hearing CZOP. It feels like the Watcher. Defect has like weird cards and Ironclad
felt a bit weak, but Necrobinder was fun and so was Regent, but I already played them both and won
Ascension 10, so like I'm fine coming back to Slay the Spire 2 later and I have Age of Empires 2
to focus on now because I have a tournament.
Oh, I think early access to late inspire 2 felt amazing, but it's okay to play it again
later too.
What do you think about spire 2 drama?
Honestly, it's a nothing burger, it's really stupid.
I think they'll survive it.
are you going to start practicing every two? Very soon, I think, very soon. This week,
for sure. And it's going to be starting with suckage. It's going to be starting with suckage
because my control groups are kind of a mess. And now that there's a tournament, I need
to first fix my control groups so that they're more long term. Can her adopt a death note
personality for your coaching for a good bit throughout the tournament? You got to keep
in mind, I didn't organize death notes. Like I like death note a lot more now than before
before we didn't get along that well. And there was nothing big that happened, but he
He was like, coaching someone or getting coached by someone when playing against me that I don't like, and then I was like, alright, you're against me, you're against me, you're the enemy.
But he did a really cool job coaching.
Death Note is now, was that the whole meet?
Yeah, then I made fun of his Dispel Complaint.
I called it a skill issue and I think he was offended.
And that's pretty much it.
There's no big deal, really.
Because this is, this complaint he has that Priest don't Dispel,
that there's a problem with the game and I think it's a skill issue.
The reason that Priest don't Dispel is because they're stuck in AutoCast heal animation.
and Orc has to manual cast everything except Bloodlust
and they get all these auto casts as human
if that's such a problem then turn off auto cast on one priest to make sure that he has Dispel mana
but nooo I need to auto cast all my heals
now Dispel can't be cast that's a skill issue
he complains he got Priest Merc nerfed
I did get it nerfed and it should be nerfed
But anyway, I got it nerfed is a little bit rich, right?
Because I'm not blizzard.
I don't control blizzard, right?
Everyone is allowed to give balance suggestions and whatever they believe in, they put forward.
Now, if I make a very good argument because I'm completely right and it's healthy for the game, then maybe I can convince them.
And sometimes, not at all.
Troll Priest, I will die on this hill. Troll Priest being available at two minutes,
dispelling and completely invalidating several heroes is extremely bad for the game, bad game design.
And it looks like they believed it, at least for now.
You have good leverage though, I think they would pitch your opinion higher than other pros.
I put my opinion higher too.
But if the other pros have some ideas that they think will improve the game and aren't
just self-serving, because I barely play ladder anymore.
Troll Priest is at 3 minutes though, and now it is, it was at 2 minutes before.
Look, I'm not going to attack my own opinions and say that they're the worst, like I believe
in them.
But what Blizzard does is up to them.
Do you want to know some of my other opinions that didn't get adopted?
I think Torrent Resistance Skin was going to be too strong.
I think Heal Solve, giving 10 HP per second instead of 9 is too strong.
They did it anyway.
I gave my opinion on it.
I thought Hunter's armor type change was going to be too strong.
They did it anyway.
And many times they were actually right.
I was wrong.
They have their own thinking, they have their own thoughts about the game, so they make
their own decisions.
It just sounds like the impotence and the helplessness of people that cannot form a
good argument and think about all the aspects of the situation and then complain, oh Grubby
did this, no, Blizzard did this, I may have some compelling arguments that they believed
Or maybe not.
Oh look, it's the Heratric.
Die.
Okay, I'll go keep her down.
Pull the noob.
I could and he couldn't say anything back because he's muted.
Goblin laboratory, should be mine.
You mean libraries?
You mean goblin libraries?
Oh shit, I made it against the trees.
would be so mad.
Simply pick our games today, I saw his results, terrible, lost 2-1-1.
was playing too yeah so he went like six one
On your mark, rush down the rail, on your mark.
Is there danger?
The time is now.
and
it was a great call and say the last days
thank you
We can't do that.
I've enjoyed this.
I
The nature is restless.
The king is the danger.
Make this come back.
Your feelings are always having games taken.
Make this come back.
The nature is restless.
The king is the danger.
That will give the blade a drink.
It's thirsty.
One blade thirsty.
Oh my God, the time is now.
Our warriors have been raised in the great outdoors.
Naturally.
Naturally, they were.
What is nature's call?
Let us know.
By the spirits you must act.
Command me, I have wisdom.
To my blade persons,
make sure you have wisdom.
Our warriors have engaged in me.
Time is now.
Ha!
I'll be being guided.
Is there a way?
Let me take you home.
Take the light of the sea.
I'll be being guided.
Ha!
Are we doing it, baby?
Oh
Mama
Yes, Tango's ass.
What is nature's call?
Hi!
I had to take the intelligent... nice rings by the way.
i have to take the intelligence item with demon honor which kind of sucks
What is it?
What is Necruscal?
What?
Are we being invaded?
What?
What is Necruscal?
Are we being invaded?
Just a little.
I'm going to re-frost where I'm soon.
I think I got it.
Our warriors have engaged the aliens.
What are you doing in Vegas?
It's the time of this now.
Our sacred road is being desecrated.
Hi!
That is the wilds. I've been eight past.
Research finished.
Is there trouble?
What are you doing in Vegas?
command
Our warriors have engaged the day
What is the danger?
By the surprise the crown is full
Did I help you?
Hi, what is making sound?
I'm just drawing the pilot
The sleeper has a wake where shall I strike?
Our warriors have engaged the day
Hi, what is making sound?
Before the truce
Will be being invaded by the flag
15 seconds for another orb
I don't know why I'm doing this now.
The soul has to be in danger.
This game is slow for us to fight back.
No!
Our safety troves being desecrated.
Save it.
So easy.
How could this under the spell, Raju?
He has one of negation.
Is this easy?
Yeah, it's super over.
It's just easy, yeah, it's super over.
of
the
of
the
That's 40 XP
I came for some nostalgia, but the training arcs, the clan war, everything was some of
the best content I have watched in a long time.
That's so nice.
He tried to coil my keeper but he coiled a gargoyle.
Haha.
GG.
That's game.
Did you see that?
Can we see a nice warden game please?
For Pokes' sake, D.
I attacked an undead for Tyler's sake.
I attacked an undead in their base for Tyler's sake.
But of course I have rejuvenation.
He didn't have it.
Thanks for the research and some Warcraft 3 content.
My pleasure.
Thank you very much, MTC and Amin669, Pox, I don't know, Pox Warden, and I prefer Demon
right now.
Do you think you should be able to half-care Control Group your opponent's hero?
know. It might be difficult, but it could have been fun with an FFA tournament, point
base score from where you place. No, I thought about FFA tournament, I think. I think FFA
is great for a shit show with different skill levels, content, banter, trash talk, and no
training arc. But a training arc into FFA isn't fun because it is very unfair. Because
alliances matter more than training. My events are about
training and then performance. I do like alternative game modes,
like 44 to be two, three, three, three, three is something
we've never done yet. So that could be fun for a future. But
it has to be tied together in a meaningful way that is more
than just, by the way, we're going to play a four before fun.
It's just, it's just totally random. The result doesn't
matter. I really like it when they like ties in. It's like, well, you got to play
4v4, and you didn't know you were going to play 4v4, but now it's part of it.
And in fact, if you win it, you may have good playoff brackets. That was so much fun.
I was surprised to learn 3v3 wasn't popular on W3 Champions. I remember it being popular
and being it a long time ago. Alright, calm down, buddy. First of all, it wasn't that long ago,
and I remember it as well. In 2003, 4, 5, and 6, 3 on 3 was very popular on Bnet. It was very easy to
find game, you weren't in queue all that long. It was my favorite multiplayer mode,
more than 2 on 2 and 4 on 4. But the reason it faced out is because people are looking for
ever more extreme versions of something in order to feel something. It's like you want
lack of personal accountability, 4-on-4 is better than 3-on-3. You want to go
big, you like it big. 4-on-4 is bigger than 3-on-3, right? But something is
lost when you make the most bigger. Here's bigger skill expression 1-on-1
that 4-on-4. That's the biggest skill expression you can find. So you've got
these two extremes. 2-on-2 it's still easy to find one body to play with. 3-on-3
was like perfectly in the middle of impractical to get together and also not
the most extreme version of either competition or zaniness and that's why I think it ended
up disappearing. But it's actually a really good mode and the only way to bring it back
is if we hold an invitational that has 3v3 because ladder is dead for 3v3. In fact, it
was removed from Dubchance because nobody was doing it. Regarding the countdown, some
science, if you press B to open the build menu, that counts as an action. It doesn't
open the menu during countdown. It's queued up. But if you click it, it's not an action
apparently. It's just a UI change. So you can queue up a building if you click but
not failed case weird. So it's kind of broken right now actually
also on that by an expanse only after a few ticks of the game
so you can't queue billing at the far edge of your base until
that's funny. That's weird idiosyncrasies doing in
someone asked would bottom third go hard. And someone else
answered a first time chat but a very good first time chat in
In fact, one of the best ever first-time chats.
Two-thirds of his army was bears, correct?
And Dryads don't do that much damage.
That's half-true.
More correct would be they do decent damage
and a component of it is poison-based,
unaffected by upgrades and true shots.
True shots are as bad for Night Elf,
like Vampiric is bad for Undead.
Again, half-true, true shot can be good for Night Elf,
But it's never great. It's just okay because the true way to get value out of true shots is Kamiura.
Those are hard to get in 101. And then the easily accessible ways are Chur, Mass Huntress, and both of those are not that good in 101.
Dryads are the most common user of true shots and because of the poison they don't do as much.
But if I would have gone for a third hero, very likely it would have been Potom after
all.
So I can get true shots for a small bit of extra damage and also put an orb of venom
in there and then get scout owl.
Why didn't you do the map with all the isles and portals for 4 on 4?
I don't know if you're serious or not.
You're taking 8 streamers.
You make them sweat for one-on-one, four days before the tournament.
You jump the news on them that in fact they're going to play 4-on-4, give them almost no
time to practice it, and then you're like, and by the way, it's on a map that has teleporters,
boats and spaceships.
I like springing surprises on the streamers, but it's got to be well-natured, not to set
them up for failure. And by the way, it's StarCraft. Hey, Grubby, wasn't you about to
get one more chance because he lost only once? It's a great question. It wasn't really
answered. You see, there's many different systems that you can have in double elimination.
You've got the pure system that has the following pros and cons. And then of course, there's
also these and that's a 75% win chance and then also there's the fully accept
the finals format with a 1-0 score then there's also the whole tournament best
of three double elimination and the best of five pure finals it's easy to
understand but as you can see there's many different possible interests that
are competing together for the best possible outcome and as such I decided
to settle on the system and it was the best. We need to grab your talks on this.
I'm glad you asked. Am I misremembering something or Stave's didn't share
cool down and you used to juggle them between heroes in the past. Yep, you're remembering correctly.
You used to be able to juggle staff of preservation between three different heroes,
but I think that got changed not recently.
I heard Yamato Canon was on his fifth energy drink, by the way.
Hey, Gaby, was the whole headliner video thing a bug that got caught on as fun or was it
delivered?
It's not a bug, it's just the way that the video player works.
When you start a video, it just keeps playing over and over.
It looped because I didn't turn off looping, it jails.
You know Twitch chat is just funny, they run with those, like everyone recognizes it as
a mistake in the production, but then they run with it to poke fun at it, but eventually
it becomes like a badge of honor and it just becomes really funny.
How is he winning with only 3 out of 5 Wisps in gold?
Why would you pick Lily Clems against literally no CC at all on the enemy team?
The headline, huh?
I think like 7 people got the Lily reference.
Hera brought it all together, all the improvements culminated in the finals, beautiful.
your coaching paid off for each of them. Congrats to you too, Gravi. Coaching so
damn hard. Thank you, Slippin' Puck.
What do you mean, Lulu? No, Lily. Okay, why would you go for quicksilver in League
when the enemy has literally zero CC? All they have is...
I forgot all the names holy shit who's that orc on top lane
Sion yes well you answered before I asked the question all they have is Sion
Sion has CC, bro.
That's the fucking joke, man!
You get it!
That means you get it!
Don't bro me!
Why would you go Quicksilver against an enemy team with literally no CC?
of Sion? That's the joke! It's a meme!
Sion has a knockup, it's not counted by quicks... OK, nerd! Ugh! Hate nerds here! Actually,
I mean, no cop doesn't get counted by Quicksilver.
Loser nerd.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Nerd.
Ha ha ha ha.
Yeah, let's give that guy a wedgie, boys.
shove him in a locker.
Let's trip him.
I bet this guy would buy QSS for Sion.
I'll never understand what CC means. I know crowd control. Okay.
Crowd control in the real world is when you bring riot police
to control the crowd and to basically stun them to go back home
when you taste the crowd with tasers.
All right?
Isn't that where it comes from?
disabling the crowd to control them. IRL crowd control CC. So any form of stun, slow.
You don't have to taste and bro please never be a police officer. But then how do I control
population while I steal the wealth and funnel it to the rich. I need to taste.
Hey Grobby, I got inspired by the tournament and got into work-out through myself and I managed
to squeeze out my only two wins so far. I went single base MK Naga rifle push. Is this something
that could be an actual thing if I work on it? Actual for you, yes. For you it's decent.
And to be clear, it is horrible, but for you it can be decent.
And while it keeps working, you should keep trying it.
In fact, I've seen it before.
Other people have fallen to the siren call of Mt.
King Naga.
It's a lot of single target hero focus.
It can work.
Yeah, exactly.
What Prince Denzo is saying.
Pro builds don't really work until Hi-Elo.
I mean, they don't need to work, let's say.
You could like be 600MMR with AMMK and then you start going Pit Lord solo as human and go to 700MMR.
It's terrible, but it can be decent for you.
Do I mount it again now? No, it's terrible. For me, it's bad.
How cool, I'm 600MMR, I suppose any and all can work? Yes.
And in fact, I think you should enjoy being at that elo because anything can work.
I didn't think things started montyking, but his second hero is Bloodmage, not Naga.
How long is the queue time in this game usually?
At high elo?
And I'm extremely high elo.
It could take a while.
I usually quit the game when it hits 5 minutes.
Now I go play something else.
High elo?
High elo is 2800.
Man.
When are you planning to start the AOE 2 grind?
If I hit 5 minutes I'm going to play right now.
I'm in 45 seconds, I'll play AW2.
Have you ever seriously considered
hosting a similar Bruteware Invitational tournament?
I have considered it, yeah.
And some other games.
I think Bruteware is very fun,
and I think it would be hilarious to invite
streamers to come and play it.
But the only problem is,
I wouldn't be able to coach anyone.
Is Hera really putting an aoe2 tournament?
Yeah.
I'm sure ectosis will take up the burden for you, he's a nice guy.
the brown brew crew dictates I just started learning every two hotkeys are overwhelming
Yeah.
Alright, let's go.
Let's get back into Avery 2.
Mega cheater.
for the 10 euros but shame on you, shame on you for cheating unless it's in the single player game
then it's fine. You need to sign up for a Warcraft 3 tournament so you have enough because of this
this a we turn. Herra did a Warcraft 3 and a we two tournament while also training for
competitive eating contest. No wonder he was so stressed. I saw him. Where's the music?
Where's the music? Where's the sound?
Eh? Eh?
Why have no sound?
Oh, I know why.
It's bugged.
My stream deck is bugged with Age of Empires 2. It can only turn it on and off via my volume mixer, not my stream deck.
It's muted, but it showed up as not muted.
There we go.
Are we going to watch Harris tournaments in AoE 2 on stream?
Maybe.
I watched his finals in red bull those fun
be aware there's a hack running these days in a way to we're building castle
foundations are seen by the enemy before their place and they can kill it oh my
god I just read that already I didn't read the answer but it was something like
Like, how did he... yeah, I saw this today.
A player deleted...
What the fuck is this?
A player deleted my unbuilt Donjon in Feudal Age while my builders were on their way to
build in Howx.
Oh my god.
Vtuber culture.
re-culture.
There's some music.
You can turn off again.
This music is periodic. Yeah.
Ever thought about playing some rage forest games? Are you just interested in 101?
Just interested in 101.
Let's see if I remember anything.
Oh my god. It's been a while.
That's on the sauce.
Oh,
this stand.
Alright boys, here we go, back to the AoE 2 grind.
Such a good game and now with an extra reason to practice it
Because it's gonna be an age of empires to invitational
With my name in it
Our maps in a way to randomly generator pre-made it like they're randomly generated
They're randomly generated.
This game has no control left click guys.
From an engine perspective it's very limited compared to Warcraft 3 which is perfect.
look you can barely click the trees it's crazy
limited for you
bang bang bami yo thanks for this up erath 4290 appreciate it
3 on wood.
What does control left click do in worker 3?
It selects all units of the same type.
Here you have to double click.
Which requires accuracy.
Control left click does not require accuracy.
no hundred votes
do i use any mods in a way too? ah yes
i do
how much for a game fully zoomed in? no thank you
I don't even know where my opponent is yet.
I'm glad that I remember a bunch of things still.
Hey, hello, go out.
Thank you, thank you.
Uh, it might be possible to change that at Hotski's settings?
It's not.
Terrible start, restart, retarded, he never said that, he never said that, he was, he
was friendly.
You did say retarded once, okay, but not to death now surely.
More like as a concept.
No?
I mean not too Yamato, I mean.
You're talking about Nidalefl poems? Okay, that makes sense. That's fair.
I remember the hotkeys, which is pretty encouraging I must say.
Thank you for the sub, appreciate it.
Guys I remember hotkeys, it's amazing.
My build still works, I found my opponent.
The eco-split looks good.
I didn't circle around my opponents, which is a shame I suppose.
Dude, I feel like the opener I did here is better than I ever done.
Best opener ever.
It's a headliner opener.
So this game is full macro simulator?
Yeah, sure.
100%.
100%
shit massive mistakes in my build horrible eco balance
Oh no, I lost one of my men in arms to the time-sender.
How sad. No, no, no, no!
You tenor roll, but the enemy horrible!
Ow.
But overall this went pretty well, no?
I think this went pretty well.
We got everything we want.
There's some compliments to be found, I think.
Oh, no, why did the villager go here?
Finally, AOE 2 content for you, hey, what's up?
Why is this guy long-distancing his berries? This is AI. This is my warming up comeback game.
Oh yeah. This is AI.
Just kind of getting the hang of things again, seeing if I still remember my hotkeys.
looks like I do wasn't that long ago after all
I will he coach me to yeah, but I think he's invited more than eight people so
The coaching time is going to be so diluted. I
Hope I'll be his special little baby
Never know I
Don't understand this game really huh the headliner. Thank you Dean
I have enough farms, I just don't have enough food to take out.
Six hours every day with her.
Okay, so I'm done warming up, I'm fine now.
Someone said I don't really understand this game, so I'll do my best to explain.
explain. I know that there's gonna be some Warcraft fans that don't know or don't care
or don't appreciate or don't understand the game yet, so I'll do what I can to explain
it and make it enjoyable since we'll be training this for several weeks leading into the tournament.
It's an RTS, a pure RTS without the RPG hybrid component. Warcraft 3 of course has a hero
component and this game pretty much doesn't have heroes. There's only one or two units
that gains strength. You can call it veterancy. It's like leveling up and they're the Tiger Cavalry
of the way. But overall you should think of it as something that's not a concept here. The Tiger
Cavalry gains 10 health and 1 attack, damage for every unit it kills. This is kind of a hero.
This is kind of a hero too. Create Kau Kau. Way unique Cavalry hero unit that provides bonus attack
speed, essentially endurance aura in a circle of tentile radius around himself,
extremely powerful, costs 500-500, comes out of tier 4, you can only have one and
it cannot be possessed by banshees. Right? So Wei, which is a Chinese variant, they
have some hero type of units, but overall it's not a thing. Alright, so Age of
Vampires 2 has four ages, age 1, 2, 3, and 4.
Teaching up or tiering up, they call it aging up here.
Time to age up or click up, they say click up often.
It's dark ages, feudal age, castle age, and imperial age.
In dark age, you can only make Melissa, which are just like Warcraft Melissa, in that they're
better than villagers, but they're not that good.
slow-moving military unit that can even be owned by workers. They use a rock
paper sister system here. You've got the whole militia line, militia upgrades to
become footmen, then they become long swordsmen and then two-handed swordsmen.
That's kind of like getting one, one, two, three, three upgrades, but even better
than that than in Warcraft 3. So think of the difference between an
unupgraded grant and then think of something like a 10-10 upgraded grant.
that's his lifetime evolution. That's how different it is actually much more
different than just the zero zero grounds becoming a 3-3. It's even more
different than a headhunter becoming a berserker, even more than that. Or imagine
that the headhunter becomes a berserker than a gigaberserker and an ultra
berserker. That's maybe a bit more of a real progression that you can expect.
right. Minute arms counter spearman spearman counter horses, horses counter archers and
skirmishers and archer and skirmishers counter minute arms and spears. That's kind of the
rock paper scissors. And then you've got mounted archers, they lose if you stand still to spears.
They lose if you stand still to knights. They lose if you stand still to skirmishers. But
They have so much mobility and range that they can beat everything as well with micro.
Getting to our next age is very relevant.
Unlike in Warcraft 3, you cannot do a Tier 1 fast expand.
You can only fast expand in Tier 3, called Castle Age.
That's the first time you're allowed to make another main base building.
It's really weird.
You can't Tier 1 fast expand, not even Tier 2.
There's only one civilization that can do a tier 2 fast expand and it's called Cumans.
It'll say so. Let's see what does it say.
Second Town Center available in Furo Age and it can only fast expand once.
This game has four resources. Food, wood, taste good.
Food, lumber, gold and stone.
Food is plentiful. You can make it from farms.
There are different food gathering rates.
You have berries, sheep, boars, farms, fish traps, fish boats.
There's all kinds of different ways to get food.
So, you start with several sheep next to you.
HVMPR2 uses procedurally generated maps based on certain conditions.
So it'll say like, you'll always have four sheep in the vicinity of your town center,
and there's always going to be four more sheep nearby.
And the eight sheep is the totality of what is accorded to you, but it could be anywhere
in a circle around your base in the fog of war, all right?
Then there's also always two boars.
Guys, don't worry about the exceptions to my rules right now, it's better to explain it like this.
There's always two boars. Now a sheep will have 100 food on himself, and once you kill him, he will start decaying in his corpse.
So right now he's 100, 99, 98, 97, so it's rotting.
So it's better to kill one then go to the next, then to the next, etc.
And then there's going to be like optimum amounts of villagers you want to have per sheep for that to be efficient.
Just like moving between Creek camps in Warcraft 3 has travel time or walking to the Warmill,
of course it has travel time if I kill a sheep and then I kill the next sheep over here.
That's going to be worse than if I put this sheep on top of that sheep right there
so that when they're done harvesting the first sheep, they're going to kill the second one right away.
And I should also point out that this is a pig
Not a sheep, but they like to have different critters doing the same thing in this game for variety visually
right, so the pig
the pig has a
100 food on it that will be added to your bank when you harvest it the boar is
340 food, but he fights back
You can pull him with a villager with one attack or you can pull him with a horse with two attacks
but if you lose his vision of you and it's similar to your own scout then he
will stop chasing. Every civ starts with one scout and this is also actually a
fighting unit. Think of it as a very early version of a night in Warcraft 3.
So you bring the boar back then you kill it with your town center and then you
start harvesting from it. Now if you look at the amount of rate that I
I diminished the food on the board, as you can see over here, it's actually much higher
than the amount of food I get from a sheep. The food gathering rate from a board is better,
you can also carry more boar meat than sheep meat simultaneously, so it involves fewer trips back.
You want to bring everything under your town center so that you have the least walking distance.
In like the 300mm noop range, people do shit like this.
they're gonna they're gonna go all the way over here wait what the fuck is this
actually okay I have no idea what just happened that never happened to me before
I think it's consistent food in their hands so they herded it back to town
center apparently what the fuck is this new it's just like a new noob mechanic
that they added it auto hurts when it's too far away okay I wanted to show like
a nuke move and instead I learned something. It's a 1999 change. Okay, okay I didn't know
that. So all kinds of different food. There's also chickens. There's lots of chickens that
give extra food. I think their harvesting rate is the same as sheep but you cannot herd
them back to base so you have to build a mill there or walk really really far. Okay, what
is the goal of the game in HMAP IH2? It's of course to eliminate your opponent. You
You both start with three villagers, again there's exceptions, you start with three villagers
and the idea for a game like this is that you make non-stop villagers.
So unlike worker 3 where after 13 workers you're done forever here, you go all the way
to 180 villagers.
Your maximum supply is 200, there's no upkeep, so it is actually good if you just keep making
shit all the time.
There's no reason to stop.
The average amount of villagers at high level that you should have is between 120 and 150.
But noobs will say that 100 is enough, or that you should stop at 120 all the time,
but that's not true.
180 is actually getting used in the highest elo tournament sometimes.
I make 180, it's mistake, Hera makes it, it's genius.
It's unfair.
We're being measured by a different yardstick.
Super unfair.
right?
Uh, isn't popcap 200? Yes. What do you need food for? All right. So there's four resources.
Roxy says, Krabby, if you reach 2k MMR, I'm going to be the one dragging, uh,
Marine Lords ass into the event to give you a challenge. Hell no. Adding, adding new MMR,
like 2k MMR new players in last minute is unfair. It's super unfair. I think everyone
someone else should be completely new to the game, Roxy. I'm really old so I need a lot
of extra help. Do you give me a challenge? Nah. I've seen the list of participants that
are in the tournament already. It's going to be plenty hard. Don't you worry. We don't
need to start bringing in semi-pros. Hera OZ1? Yes! Yes! I didn't even invite any other
RTS players. To give Hera some freebies, he needed confidence boost because he's had
had such a hard time recently in A&E too.
So four resources. I'll describe every resource. Food is generally what is used for your villagers,
so it scales your economy. It also produces a plethora of different units in your control.
Wood is used to build buildings and also units. Food and wood are also very heavily used for
upgrades, including economy upgrades as well as unit effectiveness upgrades for military.
Gold is a very precious and desirable resource. It gives you high quality units. Generally,
units that are made only of wood and food are considered trash units. Not that they are so
bad that you shouldn't use them, but they're trash in the sense that if you lose them,
at least you didn't lose a gold unit. Losing gold units in this game is like losing heroes
in Warcraft 3. Not really, but it's a bit more like that. Like they matter more. You
would rather sacrifice a whole bunch of food and wood because wooden food is in relatively
large supply. Usually you'll make one gold unit and one trash unit that's only based
in food and wood. There are of course exceptions but if you try to make two to three different
units that all have a gold cast you're gonna run out and you're gonna overly invest in
many different unit types and it's not efficient. So one gold, one trash, you'll see that a
lot in Age of Empires too. Gold can be gained by harvesting from the gold mine. There's
always one large gold next to your town center and then another gold nearby. Sometimes it's
very freaking unfair. For instance, my gold is called a forward gold, which means it's
oriented towards the opponent. It's easier for him to tower here, here or here, or bring
archers or a ram bust and start trying to take down my gold. If my gold would have been
in the back, it would be much safer. I do have a safe gold in the back that I can pivot
towards if my front gold gets denied. But the third gold is also forward-ish. Then you
look at his base his gold is to the back his big gold the mirth that's
advantageous for him generally he also has a safe stone so positional luck is a
real thing and that's why aoe2 tournaments usually have best of seven
best of nine so that it's the luck is evened out over more games a best of one
aoe2 on Arabia which is this map would be really really unfair
It's Gold Infinite or Finite.
Gold is finite.
It's a really big balancing part of forcing games to a headliner.
Once gold runs out, there's like a couple of ways to still gain gold.
There's a marketplace where you can sell food, wood and stone to get gold, but the rate is
never going to be advantageous.
You can find relics on the map, these things.
They're like items in Warcraft 3.
They're a zero-sum game.
Most maps have about five, but sometimes there's more, and they generate gold per second.
One relic, if you bring it back and put it in a church, will give you two villagers worth
of mining on gold, essentially.
So if I manage to get all five relics and stuff them in churches in Monastery, then it's
It's like having 10 villagers on gold, which is good, but not enough to sustain a full
gold unit economy.
You cannot win this game in Dark Ages, extreme exceptions.
So like double barracks, footman all-in, double crypt, ghoul all-in is very difficult.
And the reason is the town center has a very powerful counterattack.
There are exceptions such as the Persian Dark Age Rush, but it is really just one sieve
out of 50 with one cheese and usually it doesn't end in dark, maybe at low level it does.
The Persian Dush.
So in a game of AoE 2 you try to basically have non-stop villager production, scale up
your economy and then with any bonus money you have you make buildings expand
your economy more make military buildings and military units making units
and attacking with them and killing enemy military units is one way to win
but you can also try to sidestep the enemy military units and kill a few
villagers every villagers expected to harvest like 50 resources per minute so
if I go to 30 villagers and he goes to 30 and I come in and I kill five
villagers with my army but I lose all my army that's really really good because I
sit in back minutes on this economy scale this game also has walls so you
can start walling all the way around your base like so those walls have a
blueprint on my screen but they're not real yet until I get there and I do one
hammer strike on it once I do one hammer strike on it it starts forming I
I see a one HP wall, the enemy does not see it, it doesn't exist yet.
So walling off is a good way to prevent yourself from getting harassed against, and it's a
very common tactic that people do.
When you get to the second H, you can make more than just militia, you can also make
archers, which are the best unit that you can get, then there's skirmishers, which
have primarily an archer counter, there's scout cavalry, which is the unit that you
also start with to scout, he gets an automatic upgrade when you get to tier 2,
and scout counter archers and skirmishers, archers counter spearmen and
men-at-arms, skirmishers counter archers and spearmen, but are very slow against
men-at-arms, and it's kind of like the rock-paper-scissors there. Once you get to
Castle Age. Hey, thank you so much Awakens. Once you get to Castle Age, that's where things
get really exciting. It unlocks the camels, the knights. You get upgrades for your spearman
at arms. You get upgrades for your archery. It becomes a crossbow. And in this game, every
time you upgrade your archer line, they get more range as well. Lots more range. Which
which is crazy. Imagine Rifleman in Warcraft 3 has 400 range and you get one upgrade and
you go 600 and you're done. Here you start with a range of 4, you upgrade to Crossbow
you get 5, you get a blacksmith upgrade called Fletching. Now you have 6 range, Botkin gives
you 7 and then when you go to tier 4 Arbalest gives you 8 and then you get Bracess you have
9 range. It's crazy. So it goes all the way from 4 to 9. Right? So Archers, crossbows
are basically the best unit in the game, outside of unique units. Then there's 54 civilizations,
so you need to learn a little bit. But we talked about this earlier today. In Warcraft
3, your general gameplay skill knowledge and theory constitute 75 of your skill level,
percent. And race specific scale is another 25 percent. So you can expect to lose 25 percent
of your scale when you go to a race you've never played before and know nothing about
in Warcraft 3. But in AoE 2, the civilizations are so symmetrical on average that I think
the split is more like 928. So even if I've never played the Juergens before, I can probably
play them pretty okay based on my experience with others. And it's by design. For instance,
we're now looking at Ethiopian Tech Tree. I clicked the Jurgens, who I never played. Oh,
guess what? Many things are the same. I still have the archer, I still have the crossbow,
I still have the bike, I still have the spear, but this one, this sift doesn't get access to the
upgraded militia on Castle Age, and you don't get the tier four archer. So there's a lot of
interesting differences that create asymmetry, but the asymmetry is not nearly as big as in Warcraft 3.
Okay, thank you for the self, Flambeary.
54 SIVs.
Okay, that's kind of A.W.2 in the nutshell.
In a game of A.W.2, finally, you'll skill up your economy,
you'll skill up your unit production,
you'll skill up the amount of military buildings that you have,
you'll make units non-stop, you'll counter your opponent's units,
units, you get upgrades, you try to secure more areas on the map that have gold, you
try to deny valuable resources to your opponent, their gold, their relics and so on, you spread
over the map like a cancer, try to prevent him doing the same thing, and then eventually
a master stroke, he'll do a stroke that finishes him off.
That's kind of the game, I have a couple of months of experience in the game, and I guess
we can jump into multiplayer. Hey Grubby, do you know if there's a prize pool for
day with your tournament? Hi, Sir Rise King. Yes, I think there is. Grubby, could you please
try default health bars? Don't I already have default health bars? Sounds like my wife would
really get a beating me at this game. I'm a lucky guy. Good for you. I have standard
health bars. Right. See, I have standard legacy. Thank you for the gift stop anonymous
gift here. Probably would you be cooked on a water map? I'm gonna try to find out
if there's water maps in the tournament and if there is I'm gonna start
practicing it and if I don't know I'm not gonna. I feel like that's kind of an
important need to know. Didn't you mention changing hotkeys? Yeah but I'm not
to do it tonight. Hotkey change is going to be off stream for sure. Disable always on,
Why would I want to do that? I like... I like always on. Where's that anyway?
I like always on. Eeeeeewwww!
This is like Warcraft 3.
In gamehut is a bit too large, you can't make it smaller can you?
How long does the usual Age of Empires 2 game last?
8 of a purse 2 has a game speed that you can see up here, but do you see this number 1.7?
That is the offset multiplier of what is reality.
So this looks like a minute, but in fact you have to divide it by 1.7 to know the real
passage of time.
So it's closer to double than it is to original time.
So I have many games that say 38 minutes, but in reality though I've been like what 22?
The game time is as fake as the day-night dial in Worker 3.
Always honest, terrible, costumane units in AoE.
No, I like it.
I like it.
oh new maps how many maps can our veto only three ill no water no water no
water guess we're playing arena on this map you can in this game chat for my
Warcraft 3 fans you can change your sieve after you find the map
Wait, why did they do the 1.7 thing that seems silly?
That's just how it is.
Because they designed the game for a slower speed.
What the fuck?
Hunt the roaming foxes for a significant gold boost and chop through the central forest
and take control of the secrets within.
Oh god.
Do I ult a 4?
Team 90 official.
I've never played this map.
I should pull a soda poppin'.
It's okay.
We're gonna lose some games anyway because I haven't played in a few months.
I'm against 1800 Edo guy.
It's aliens.
know the safe. You guys, my MMR in this game is top 4% world. So I'm gonna get
cooped because I haven't played for a little bit. And I'm playing on a new map
in the pool. They change maps every two weeks in this game. And I had no warming
up here the fuck is this a trade workshop I have no idea what that is I guess you try
to occupy it and you get money per minute all these foxes if I kill them with villagers
i'm gonna get gold
i'm right about that at least
looks like the lumber is so scarce in this map man
am i supposed to take one of these small ones?
should have gone for the center
yes i should have gone for the center
that's kind of far away
i'm already pretty behind chat because
i didn't find
some of my sheets
there are geese in this map but
it's the same idea
and i had some idle time because i forgot to bring my geese back on time
I just found the other geese, I haven't brought back any Bore yet, I'm not sure I've found
the second Bore yet, did I find it?
Is there even two boards on the- oh there it is.
Lots of foxes here, lots of gold.
Wow.
I need to do a forced drop off command so that I can make another villager cause I fell short
This map is called Volpine which is a pokemon, it's like a fox
So they took that from a pokemon
I guess.
Uh,
middle I guess.
Okay, people are cutting trees in weird places.
I found where he is, he's Italian so I'm trying to remember what Italians do.
uh... i don't quite remember
something about good crossbows
you pass that game as
our crappies he's going to manage rush me
makes sense
It looks like he's going to minister rush me. I think that's still true.
It is still true.
I'm just kidding all my rabbits why
Why?
How long have those been out for?
how long has it been idle? how the shit? oh it's idle because he's stuck
but it's a terrible position
oh I forgot my upgrades
oops
Uh-huh, uh-huh. I don't want to play this map, but not without
practice I need I should have looked first at all the maps that are in the
pool yeah get prize money from blizzard give yourselves one after the other the
price money impressive well played easy infinite money glitch I see yeah yeah
yeah sure sure what's the score on the bottom right okay this game actually
It essentially shows a summary of your scouting and military and economic value.
So, the more you scout it, the more military and econ you have, the more the score goes up.
So it is essentially like a status report map hack tool that you need to learn how to read like a compass.
And actually our scores were similar so I still had a chance.
Now to be honest, the Volpan is just a standard map, the gimmick with the middle doesn't matter.
No, I understand, I understand, but like I don't know how to wall yet.
Like, I need to, like I think I remember Enclosed and Arena and Arabia, they're fine but it
gives me the new map immediately because of course it does and I just need to check it
out first before I feel comfortable playing there, like I don't know, I have to just like
take a look at it. Oops. Oh, fuck. Wait, what? Oh, no, I hit... I hit randomize.
That's so funny to randomize a thing. What should I change? Is all this normal?
Victory conquest.
Gamespeed?
Should be what?
Fast?
Okay, fast, conquest, map size tiny is okay, vulpine random map is okay.
You can say that to fully explore it, no, no, no, gamespeed normal, oh, why did someone
say fast?
Allow cheats deactivated if you want normal play.
No, no, no, I want with cheats.
Oh, thank you, Spray Friar.
This is before.
OK.
Yeah, all right.
We've got everything.
Oh, unlock speed.
Nice.
Why would someone make militia if you said villagers beat them?
Alright, that's actually a really good question and I can answer.
So basically it's about unit production buildings.
You have a town hall that produces villagers, one villager per villager unit time.
So let's say a villager takes 20 seconds to make, then every 20 seconds you make a
villager.
And for a long time that's all you can afford.
Eventually you'll have so many villagers working that you could afford two villagers at the same time
But you don't have a second town center, but you can make a barracks
Now you can make one villager at all the time still without any interruption
But you can also make one militia at a time from a barracks not all the time, but for some time
So you make three militia out of that building the barracks
and then you attack an opponent with it. Now you have 21 villagers at home and he has 21 villagers
but you also have 3 militia and so you know obviously if you had a fight with the old man you would win
because 24 is more than 21 but that's not how the game is going to go of course. You attack someone with 3 militia
and if they had 6 villagers they would smack your ass. But if you killed even one villager while losing 3 militia
You're economically ahead for the rest of the game.
You are a militia down, but eventually the militia that you lost won't matter in the grand scheme of things.
But that one villager that was lost will have set someone back hundreds of resources more than the militia lost.
However, I momentarily have fewer military than he could have at some point.
So now I'm behind if I lose three militia for a villager, but in the long run I'm ahead.
And that's where the action tension, the resource tension, the greed versus map control
aspect comes into play. But the militia costs, so the militia have a fixed cost and no maintenance.
But if I kill a villager, I have permanently heard the maintenance of his economy.
You see what I'm saying? And also, I don't have to suicide my militia immediately.
Eventually they become obsolete, like fitmen for human fast expand.
The adventure becomes late. I don't have to suicide them though. I'm going to try to get as much out of them as I can.
I'm going to keep poking, harassing, and showing up and whatnot.
And someone is going to send villagers to try and kill them and then I just walk away and then I go in again.
And so there's a lot of idle time.
What are the thresholds for upkeep? There's no upkeep here.
Okay.
So cool messages now. Let's see if I can still find it.
Laugh at that you did it. Out of the time, I'll be back.
I just know that back in the day, this game also played with Warcraft 3.
The game keeps on playing, yeah.
There's someone in the chat called Die Hard Opa. Opa is Dutch for grandpa.
He said, really fun to see you playing this.
I see old times coming back. I still remember back at the World Cyber Games.
This game was also in the Contender List when you were participating personally with Warcraft 3.
games like this remain very entertaining. That's right. All right, let's check out
Volpine. Why can't you suicide units? There's no XP here. You can suicide three
militia to get some kills. But if you do, you lose units and then he's free to start
doing other things. If you don't suicide them, but you
protect the suffering, he will keep sending villagers after
your military over and over.
So the foxes give how much gold 35 and how difficult are they
to kill? Okay, three HP. So wait, it's a single hit. And do I
need to bring back the gold? You can't build on the rocket
right here. Yeah, remember that from the enclosure map. I
recognize the gray stuff you need to mine it and let's see how long that takes
ah okay okay it's like chickens 33 it's the same as chickens you harvest pretty
fast wait this is kind of OP actually I should make use of this even in dark
ages for Minutarms Rush
Wait. Oh! Oh, it's Wi-Fi!
I wouldn't focus in a normal start. Not really worth it. Wait, really?
Ah, it's wire transfer.
Interesting. But you really think it's not worth it?
Too much walking? Hmm.
There's also decay in the foxes. Yeah, it explains why I only have 31 instead of 33.
how many villagers does it require to get 32 out of a fox or 33 I guess 33 is
impossible but I wonder if two villagers gives 32 instead of 31 let's try it
that. Oh it gets added immediately per component. Oh look, I got the full 33. There was no
It was 2DK on 1 villager and 0DK on 2 villager.
Oh it has 35?
Oh I thought it was 33, lmao.
I see.
Oh yeah, okay.
Alright.
So 31, 33.
Makes sense.
2 or 4.
That makes a lot more sense.
What does the fox say?
Ring ding ding ding ding!
Alright.
Do we play one game against AI here?
This is kind of awkward.
The optimum location house blocks farms.
Are you supposed to build it outside the rock?
But that's so far away.
Shit.
Shit. Is there any place where it's weird. It doesn't even look illegal, the position.
It looks like it's exactly fucked up in every direction. And sometimes worse.
yeah oh look here it's okay what about here look here it's buildable but here
even though it looks buildable it ain't oh here's okay too
there's I found three places where I can fit a house where it doesn't block one
line of farms
Secret tech on the map is to pick Armenians or Georgians.
Oh, because they get more from foxes or what?
Mule cards, mule cards.
Uh... Oh, it's just so you can get the cards there?
Or what?
Mule cards for the rookie terrain.
Okay, I don't understand. I don't know how mule cards work.
You can't build on the rocks, build outside, give yourself more space to farm, the houses
outside will even help.
I don't think you get more space to farm at all.
How do I get the resources again?
Money, how do I get money?
You just, you know.
Okay.
I don't think building the houses outside does anything.
See?
I already got everything I could possibly get.
Someone told me I should build the houses outside so I give myself more space to farm,
But I just illustrated that there is no extra farms you could have.
You won't find those spulps fast enough?
I know.
I know, but I can try.
Maybe I can get used to it.
I know them now because when you restart a game and I can say aye it's always the same.
Fuck!
Found one.
Found another.
the two villager house inside and walk out for the one but I will lose one farm
location maybe it's always behind the straggler tree yeah it might always be
behind it might always be behind the straggler tree but I wonder if you always
get given three house locations because just now I did now there is no
straggler what dude aoe2 map gen is so
imbalanced that's crazy imagine I lose
the invitation because of this this map
is not designed for this game type then
why is it in the pool nearly blizzard
come on! On that map if you want to optimize just place one house and you
can put the second one later when going for lumber camp. Uh huh. I guess. That is crazy.
That's crazy. But at least I did find houses now. Okay.
not meant for the aoe2 game type, let's play one more
I can't imagine sweating so hard that the suboptimal house placement in the first 5 seconds
can't see the match, it can, it can
I can imagine sweating really hard.
What if Hera holds the tournament only on Vulpine?
Have you played in close before?
I think so.
Dante is lost because of graveyard.
True!
What?
What are you eating? Trash.
Literal trash.
Sugar, tapioca stars.
out of this.
Alright.
Grubby, your tournament was amazing.
got my non-gamer fiancee invested for the finale you're the second one that
told me today who's coming I read about that that's so cool to hear man I'm
happy to hear it that you were able to enjoy some game time with your fiancee
as well some game-watching time very cool I actually love that I love hearing
that so much okay let's go guys Arabia I should be able to she'd be able to hold
my own on this map. There's a bit of rust of course but at least it's not
vulpine or some such. Alright here we go. Let's do a little bit of scouting. Try to
find some boars, find some sheep or tapper whatever they are. Tappabara.
Salamnesh, we're playing our trusty Ethiopians against Georgians, found every single Capybara already, that's nice.
Goths, okay. Close enough, close enough. Wait, there's more Capybara than I expected here.
Did they increase the amount of Capybara that you can find?
You eat the capybara? Hell yeah. You bet your ass we're gonna eat the capybara.
Of course. What's a good lumber line this one I guess.
you built this you're gonna mine from this tree you're gonna mine from this
tree we're gonna build some houses in front to hold our own against any
would-be assailants namely like so and like so two houses yeah that's really a
lot of capybara they changed the map generation on these things guys it's
got yeah it doesn't matter I have no idea what's the difference between goth
Sicilians, Gaeliks, whatever, I have no idea.
I don't know what Goths do.
I think they have infantry or something.
Goths are infantry, right?
Okay, I got that part right at least.
Okay, there's a gold here.
might be nearby based on finding this gold here. There's the other boar. But I'm too busy
managing my econ to be able to check his base for real.
Alright, oh my god, oh what the fuck is that?
I sent the villager into his town center and why are we right next to each other?
What the fuck is this?
And why did my villager walk into him?
GG
Why are we so close to each other? What the fuck happened with the map gen?
Since I was gone!
Mora Kappa Bara!
Villagers magnetically attracted to the enemy town center
Spawning extremely close to each other
That's crazy
You probably got his capybara cause you're so close.
That's worth it.
What the hell is he doing?
He's doing the chicken...
What is this, phosphorus?
At this elo people do the chicken pool?
That's crazy.
This is Smurf guys, we're against a Giga Smurf.
It's Hera on his ult.
This is not going to be aggressive then.
This guy is going to do some kind of fast gas or something.
He saw I had twitchy fingers and he decided to keep dancing his butt in front of me to see if I would touch
He saw my villager behavior. He's like touch me, touch me, touch me
Oh, I forgot about the chickens.
this guy thinks a lot of himself and his micro he thinks it's really cool
Smurf, 100%
Just getting out of no idea
He's so cold when on the offensive.
now what?
losing hello villagers, you little sweatlord
not so cool now are ya?
oh my god I have so many
I am.
Oh
No offense, he's a microsweat, but on defense it's trash.
Classic play by both of us low.
So hard to inspire.
I'm not sure what to do with this guy, but I'm not sure what to do with this guy, but
Oh
He went elite scurms.
I have no idea if it's a full wall.
Oh
How's that work so
ff
GG. Good warming up game. Good warming up game. In this game, hills give bonus damage
and they take less damage there. I think at some point I was ahead but then I took too
much damage in the counterattack and also my unit choice, skirmisher spear against scout
skirmisher, he has the micro advantage. My spear cannot connect with horses so I think
I think I'm supposed to have my own horses.
Yeah, not bad for a long break. Not bad for a long break.
I fell behind villagers, I knew that I fell behind villagers at some point,
but at some point I think I was ahead in villagers. Can you tell here if it's...
No, because this graph sucks ass.
Spear skirmish legit strat.
but it only works if I have more scurms it doesn't work if you're already
losing skirmore but I don't know like my my my skirmishers get hit by his
horse I guess my skirm I guess my spear needs to stay inside of my skirmishers
just right behind so that any time it's very hard to micro it's very hard to
micro my skirmish are here his skirmish are here and my spear keeps like
shadowing my skirmish never forward to get hit by skirmish but always there
when his horse comes close
Oh, Bengani, Osio Buga, Waga, Salamne, Salamne, Gambagnani, oh Bengani, thank you.
Oh, what is this map generation?
I've never seen us so close together.
Oh, and then I accidentally ran into a villager into his base.
Outside of that, considering I ran a villager into his base, that's a really big deficit.
Not bad.
Yeah, we're right next to each other. It's a crazy map generation.
Very fun, though. But I- I-
Can I be honest? I didn't even know this was possible.
I think in all my hundreds of games of AV2, this never happened.
Not this close.
Is he following chickens? Yeah.
But I think this guy is just hyper-specialized in certain scales.
He does this shit, and he's like super sweaty with his horse,
but he was horrible at defense both times.
This guy is like way better at offense than defense.
Like, this was a fucking shit show, and I did terrible to exploit it.
Like, I didn't kill enough, but like, if I had a little bit better army, he would be so folded.
Expo tech was wrong. You would commit into a countered unit after seeing mass scurms.
A few horses ain't bad, but the Ethiopians are very bad cavalry.
If Expo, we want instant siege as well.
right but I cancelled my crossbow attack I knew that it was about to because he's
on elite scurns I went for my own elite scurns
if you had fleshing maybe yeah I didn't get my fleshing
Where's our villager count, 23-25?
Because I have idle TC or what?
You killed two villagers somehow.
All that and you lost almost no bills.
But now he has 55 second idle TC.
If that's 1800 MMR, I'm not even that afraid of it at all.
He has free loomsies up until I see, I see.
This didn't feel oppressive at all, the skill did.
I just need to get back into it and then improve compared to where I was before.
And analyze more.
But it's late, I must go.
We have, as I would say, uncorked the bottle of reconnecting with AV2.
have uncorked it again. We're gonna try and be a little bit more methodical about improvements
and address some of the hotkey issues, though I feel like hotkeys aren't too bad either.
I have a couple of small problems with hotkeys, but I think if I keep it like this too, it's
also not too bad.
Yeah, enjoy it Robocop, thank you.
Probably be a combination of Warcraft and HMP2 in the coming up weeks guys.
Thank you so much for tuning in, thank you for everything, I hope you guys enjoyed.
I'm going to see if there's someone from the invitation I can read. Good night, guys, GG's.