WEBVTT 00:30.000 --> 00:32.060 you 01:00.000 --> 01:02.060 you 01:30.000 --> 01:32.060 you 02:00.000 --> 02:02.060 you 02:30.000 --> 02:32.060 you 03:00.000 --> 03:02.060 you 03:30.000 --> 03:32.060 you 04:00.000 --> 04:02.060 you 04:30.000 --> 04:32.060 you 05:00.000 --> 05:02.060 you 05:30.000 --> 05:32.060 you 06:00.000 --> 06:02.060 you 06:30.000 --> 06:32.060 you 07:00.000 --> 07:02.060 you 07:30.000 --> 07:32.060 you 08:00.000 --> 08:02.060 you 08:30.000 --> 08:32.060 you 09:00.000 --> 09:02.060 you 09:30.000 --> 09:32.060 you 10:00.000 --> 10:02.060 you 10:30.000 --> 10:32.060 you 11:00.000 --> 11:02.060 you 11:30.000 --> 11:32.060 you 12:00.000 --> 12:02.060 you 12:30.000 --> 12:32.060 you 13:00.000 --> 13:02.060 you 13:30.000 --> 13:32.060 you 14:00.000 --> 14:02.060 you 14:30.000 --> 14:32.060 you 15:30.000 --> 15:32.000 This cannot be 15:33.760 --> 15:35.920 Yeah, that's one of the funniest things ever man 15:37.360 --> 15:42.800 It's a little less funny when you know that he's just saying a boss voice line 15:46.200 --> 15:48.200 But 15:48.720 --> 15:53.720 It is like all like 99% of people who saw that clip don't know that 15:55.560 --> 15:57.560 This cannot be 16:00.000 --> 16:02.000 Just insane. 16:12.320 --> 16:19.640 My wife immediately bought the shirt with this cannot be on it after the win. Wait, did we make a someone else made that I'm assuming? 16:20.640 --> 16:22.640 Did we make that? Well, I think so. 16:30.000 --> 16:36.000 It's the derp tea. 16:36.000 --> 16:40.000 Wait, they like live? 16:40.000 --> 16:44.000 Because I imagine they... 16:44.000 --> 16:48.000 Wait, where does it say it on there? 16:48.000 --> 16:52.000 It doesn't say it on there. 16:52.000 --> 16:56.000 And I don't see it on the store. 16:56.000 --> 17:06.120 Oh, it's on the shirt. 17:06.120 --> 17:08.360 There's two derptees I see. 17:08.360 --> 17:11.160 Ah, I see at the bottom. 17:11.160 --> 17:13.120 That's cool. 17:13.120 --> 17:17.960 This cannot be. 17:17.960 --> 17:35.320 What we don't see is your face, all right, shit. 17:35.320 --> 17:47.320 Hello. 17:47.320 --> 17:54.520 you double ignore Driny guys I promise you it's not on purpose wrong end boss 17:54.520 --> 17:59.560 wallpaper I mean did someone make a really sick lure one let's check wallpaper 17:59.560 --> 18:07.840 engine actually not on stream though because that is not safe unfortunately I 18:07.840 --> 18:19.520 I mean, I kind of really doubt that, why not, bro, there are some completely unhinged things 18:19.520 --> 18:21.000 on wallpaper engine. 18:21.000 --> 18:22.000 Here we go. 18:22.000 --> 18:26.920 Lura, I don't know exactly how you, yeah, there's nothing on that, nothing on wallpaper 18:26.920 --> 18:28.400 engine for Lura. 18:28.400 --> 18:34.400 Oh, wait, I was looking at my content, I need to go to discover. 18:34.400 --> 18:40.120 Yeah, I still think nothing. 18:40.120 --> 18:41.120 Maybe no apostrophe. 18:41.120 --> 18:44.720 Oh, yeah, someone made one. 18:44.720 --> 18:55.120 It looks terrible, though, here. 18:55.120 --> 19:00.440 I mean, this looks like, maybe it's not super low quality. 19:00.440 --> 19:03.480 Okay. 19:03.480 --> 19:05.480 I clicked on it and it just didn't do anything. 19:11.200 --> 19:13.080 Oh, you have to subscribe to it. 19:13.080 --> 19:13.920 I see. 19:19.280 --> 19:21.200 Oh, no, okay, that's definitely not true. 19:21.200 --> 19:22.040 There we go. 19:26.400 --> 19:28.160 No, it's like low res. 19:28.160 --> 19:44.960 It's like, this stuff is like animated low res or low frame rate or something. 19:44.960 --> 20:00.320 Let me find it. 20:00.320 --> 20:03.320 We had this one for a while. 20:03.320 --> 20:11.520 We had this one for many years. 20:11.520 --> 20:22.320 one is crazy good. We had one for dragon flight. This one was kind of nice actually for a while, 20:22.320 --> 20:33.000 different vibe. Max, can you explain to us how you guys messed up gearing this race? 20:33.000 --> 20:36.240 Oh, we actually looked into that a little more because that was obviously a major 20:36.240 --> 20:39.960 question. Also, it wasn't a day more split. Apparently they did eight hours of splits 20:39.960 --> 20:48.500 And then we did splits, meaning like any combination of like gearing your character after reset, which some of that is not all splits. 20:48.500 --> 20:51.300 But they did eight hours of that. 20:51.300 --> 20:55.900 And then pulled Belorin, we did 14 hours on day one and two hours on day two. 20:55.900 --> 20:58.180 So basically double the amount of time. 20:58.220 --> 20:59.580 We did have more gear, though. 20:59.580 --> 21:02.180 So eye level is like a little fake on the boss. 21:02.180 --> 21:03.480 And like, we were kind of looking at the same thing. 21:03.480 --> 21:04.900 It's like, dude, how do they have the same gear as us? 21:04.900 --> 21:07.580 but basically because of MythXplits week one, 21:07.580 --> 21:09.500 every single player was able to get 21:09.500 --> 21:12.180 the heroic crest achievement. 21:12.180 --> 21:15.620 So basically every player had the exact same gear. 21:15.620 --> 21:20.420 What you were able to get was heroic achievement, 21:20.420 --> 21:22.180 which I think is 276, right? 21:22.180 --> 21:25.540 And then you had as many mythic crests as you could get 21:25.540 --> 21:26.980 to go higher than that. 21:26.980 --> 21:28.860 So basically everyone's eye level is about the same 21:28.860 --> 21:31.020 because you had exactly the amount of mythic crest 21:31.020 --> 21:34.020 you had and then every slot was bare minimum 276. 21:34.020 --> 21:37.860 So the eye level was basically identical. 21:37.860 --> 21:41.260 JB said you guys messed up and didn't get the heroic achievement. 21:41.260 --> 21:43.580 That's completely incorrect, yeah. 21:43.580 --> 21:49.100 But classic echo casters referring to our guild at all 21:49.100 --> 21:52.300 and literally always getting it wrong. 21:52.300 --> 21:53.820 But yeah, that's completely wrong. 21:53.820 --> 21:54.780 But we did that. 21:54.780 --> 22:01.580 And then we looked at, so we simmed basically their characters 22:01.580 --> 22:05.460 and our characters and our characters simmed like higher, 22:05.460 --> 22:07.180 even though they were a little bit lower eye level. 22:07.180 --> 22:09.260 The reason for this is with running a little bit more 22:09.260 --> 22:11.340 splits and better itemized pieces, 22:11.340 --> 22:14.980 we had more like mythic items in important slots. 22:14.980 --> 22:18.260 Like for example, let's say after you craft weapon 22:18.260 --> 22:20.220 and maybe craft something else, 22:20.220 --> 22:21.860 you only have enough mythic crest 22:21.860 --> 22:24.220 to like even boost up a few pieces, right? 22:24.220 --> 22:26.340 There's a big difference between those pieces 22:26.340 --> 22:30.420 being like helms, chest, legs, big budget items, 22:30.420 --> 22:35.260 rather than maybe a trinket, rather than another slot. 22:35.260 --> 22:38.020 So we had a few, we had like higher budget mythic items 22:38.020 --> 22:38.980 from doing more splits, 22:38.980 --> 22:40.500 because we had better things to choose from 22:40.500 --> 22:41.820 from our characters, 22:41.820 --> 22:46.820 but was that worth eight hours of losing progression? 22:48.460 --> 22:50.420 It probably not, right? 22:50.420 --> 22:52.260 Like we still kill the boss on that pull. 22:52.260 --> 22:53.740 That's not exactly how progression works though, 22:53.740 --> 22:55.060 because like you have less stamina all the time, 22:55.060 --> 22:55.900 you know what I'm saying? 22:55.900 --> 22:58.460 But so we did actually have more gear, 22:58.460 --> 23:04.100 But it was probably not worth the time. 23:04.100 --> 23:05.900 So I still think they geared better than us, 23:05.900 --> 23:09.980 but we didn't like throw gearing as much as I thought we did. 23:09.980 --> 23:31.620 Max, what would have you done different if you knew that Void Spire was as free as it 23:31.620 --> 23:32.620 was? 23:32.620 --> 23:33.620 More splits? 23:33.620 --> 23:38.060 Yeah, I mean, if we knew from the beginning of the week how easy it was, we would have, 23:38.060 --> 23:39.740 Instead of just clearing it in one raid, 23:39.740 --> 23:42.500 we would have probably full cleared like three or four times 23:44.580 --> 23:46.020 on top of what we did. 23:46.020 --> 23:47.380 But like by the time we did that, 23:47.380 --> 23:50.140 we like put all of our eggs in the one raid basket 23:50.140 --> 23:52.260 and then you can't like go back from that. 23:52.260 --> 23:54.860 So then after that, all we did was four out of sixes. 23:59.940 --> 24:01.500 But yeah, I mean, the thing is though 24:01.500 --> 24:03.300 is like you don't have hindsight. 24:05.020 --> 24:07.380 You have to make these decisions in real time. 24:08.060 --> 24:16.900 That's also like whenever I'm you know gauging decisions we make either strategically or gearing or anything I always 24:18.800 --> 24:22.160 Sometimes I'm like man, we really missed this but also and sometimes that's true 24:22.160 --> 24:26.200 But also sometimes whenever you're comparing yourself usually who we compare ourselves to is echo 24:27.580 --> 24:32.140 It's hard to do that because sometimes like every time like when they're making their gearing decisions 24:32.180 --> 24:37.580 They're making them under different circumstances when they're making their strategic decisions in a lot of cases 24:37.580 --> 24:39.140 they're making them under certain circumstances. 24:39.140 --> 24:40.860 They not only have what they came up with, 24:40.860 --> 24:41.900 but they also know what we did 24:41.900 --> 24:44.940 and they can pick the best things of both of those. 24:44.940 --> 24:46.660 And a lot of times, if you just look at the end of the tier, 24:46.660 --> 24:48.980 you're like, they did all this stuff that was really, really good. 24:48.980 --> 24:50.860 It's like, well, we're just not in that position. 24:50.860 --> 24:53.260 And maybe if we were, it wouldn't change much or something, right? 24:53.260 --> 24:54.820 It's just like really hard to actually compare. 24:54.820 --> 24:57.580 There's been times where I've really beat myself up, actually. 24:57.580 --> 24:59.780 And then it's just like, it's kind of different. 25:02.860 --> 25:04.860 Echo had a great vibe after the race in Q&A. 25:04.860 --> 25:05.700 They were in a good spot. 25:05.700 --> 25:07.260 Oh, I didn't see the Q&A, actually. 25:07.260 --> 25:11.780 I couldn't find it. I tried to find it on the echo channel when I woke up today, but I couldn't find it. Maybe I just missed it. 25:17.500 --> 25:19.620 Why are you two so much better than method? 25:23.340 --> 25:37.220 I think just like the entire network of like leadership and strats, it's such a team effort. It's not the effort of a few people. I actually like really struggle with the fact that like I'm like the face of the guild, but I feel like I just don't deserve it. 25:37.260 --> 25:42.200 that credit. I mean you also get like negative stuff that comes with that when 25:42.200 --> 25:46.040 you lose but like I get way more credit than I deserve like this guild and Echo 25:46.040 --> 25:49.760 have such an insane network of like really smart people that all have very 25:49.760 --> 25:55.200 specific jobs that all really work together and that takes a long many years 25:55.200 --> 25:58.680 of experience to cultivate that and then on top of that the player skill 25:58.680 --> 26:01.840 like dude when when us and Echo I guess formerly when they were formerly 26:01.840 --> 26:09.000 method. We're going at it for many years. We just, like, it was so top-heavy. Like, over 26:09.000 --> 26:12.680 the course of a few years, just all the best players in the world just got stacked into 26:12.680 --> 26:18.440 like two guilds. And then basically every guild that's been third for many, many years 26:18.440 --> 26:22.240 from pieces to BDG to method has just been like, I just feel like they're fighting 26:22.240 --> 26:25.600 such an unfair fight, right? Like, the other guilds have more resources, they have 26:25.600 --> 26:30.640 more fans. They have the ability to recruit your best player over and over again. Like, 26:30.640 --> 26:32.760 the piece of spreadsheet on how many of their best players 26:32.760 --> 26:35.400 got recruited to our two guilds was like pretty crazy. 26:36.960 --> 26:39.000 They're fighting an unfair fight for sure. 26:39.000 --> 26:41.200 It's like so hard to like overcome that. 26:41.200 --> 26:42.920 And then like, I think pure player skill 26:42.920 --> 26:45.200 to be completely honest with you is like, 26:45.200 --> 26:49.080 there's like probably a pretty good gap at the, 26:49.080 --> 26:51.760 and it's just because like they weren't there 26:51.760 --> 26:54.280 in those years when all the top talent 26:54.280 --> 26:57.120 was just getting funneled into like two exact guilds. 26:57.120 --> 27:04.120 I have no idea how method did, but I have actually no idea where method is right now. 27:04.120 --> 27:09.120 We'll see. 27:09.120 --> 27:16.120 Wait, they're not even in P4? 27:16.120 --> 27:27.520 Wait, they're not even in P4? 27:27.520 --> 27:31.520 Did something like happen? 27:31.520 --> 27:38.680 Sorry, not even meant like bad, by the way. 27:38.680 --> 27:43.040 Okay, so here's basically why I'm saying that. 27:43.040 --> 27:45.880 Echo is trying to kill, like this poll count is fake as fuck, right? 27:45.880 --> 27:50.400 Like when you're trying to kill a really, really hard boss after, uh, 27:51.640 --> 27:54.600 after you've lost world first, and if you're Echo, that's the only thing that 27:54.600 --> 27:57.040 matters, like your motivation goes down and like, bro, it's going to take 27:57.040 --> 27:58.200 you forever to kill a boss like this. 27:58.640 --> 28:01.140 But like method is in a way like motivated to get second. 28:01.140 --> 28:03.120 Second would be a massive gain for them. 28:03.680 --> 28:06.620 And they had the ability to wake up last night and potentially do that. 28:06.620 --> 28:09.480 And I figured they would maybe play better, but like maybe vibes are down. 28:09.520 --> 28:12.840 That's the only thing I think of, or, or they like. 28:13.040 --> 28:19.640 They did like late comp swaps, which by the way, that is something that you can out plan 28:19.640 --> 28:22.160 and not have that be the case, right? 28:22.160 --> 28:26.040 Maybe they made some comp swaps pretty late and then it's like relearning plus you're already 28:26.040 --> 28:27.800 tired and vibes are down. 28:27.800 --> 28:35.160 It can kind of like death spiral on a boss that's this hard. 28:35.160 --> 28:38.720 The bear swap was rough for them. 28:38.720 --> 28:41.560 Really? 28:41.560 --> 28:47.880 really surprising. When we swapped to bear, we one shot into P4 in the last phase and we wiped a 28:47.880 --> 28:52.200 single time to the third set of adds with no 3DKs, which is the only thing you need a 3DK for, 28:52.200 --> 29:00.440 need a 3DK for. Yeah, I mean, it might be a Yip's diff. He's fucking insane, but like, 29:02.040 --> 29:06.920 it wasn't just Yip's though. Like, for us to do that change, it required both 29:06.920 --> 29:13.320 misweaver monks, our elemental shaman, and both auga vokers to make that grouping work without 29:13.320 --> 29:22.360 mass grip and without like an extra two death grips. So more of like an overall thing, but yeah, 29:22.360 --> 29:26.200 that's actually, I mean that that at least makes sense. Like a comm swap that didn't work out, 29:27.080 --> 29:32.600 like we made this like when we were on Jailer and we were still like on the last day of Jailer 29:32.600 --> 29:36.120 we were clearly getting gapped by a lot, but before that we were still progressing pretty 29:36.120 --> 29:42.840 well and we made a comp swap it was like a healer swap I think and that just fucking ended us like 29:42.840 --> 29:48.520 it was pure regression and it was at the worst time and like morale hit an all-time low and it 29:48.520 --> 29:53.080 was just like a perfect storm that a comp swap solves so I've definitely been in those shoes before 29:54.440 --> 29:58.440 maybe that's what it was yeah but that's actually really surprising that that they 29:58.440 --> 30:04.200 didn't get into p4 or even really close honestly like two wiping at 2% in p3 is like not even 30:04.200 --> 30:07.840 getting close to seeing P4 because that's with people 30:07.840 --> 30:09.280 immuneing and your whole raid dying, 30:09.280 --> 30:11.840 which you have to beat it five seconds even before that. 30:19.120 --> 30:22.720 Max now was just unreal, mentally checked out as well. 30:22.720 --> 30:25.160 He said he lost all motivation when we killed it. 30:25.160 --> 30:25.920 Yeah, that makes sense. 30:25.920 --> 30:28.000 Because I think for a lot of method players, 30:28.000 --> 30:30.960 getting second would be a big win. 30:30.960 --> 30:32.880 That's like you're trending in the right direction. 30:32.880 --> 30:34.880 you've achieved something that you haven't before, 30:34.880 --> 30:38.560 but for now, right, like second doesn't mean anything. 30:38.560 --> 30:40.640 It's also kind of an interesting thing in that guild 30:40.640 --> 30:42.160 where I wonder if there's ever, 30:43.520 --> 30:46.520 I wonder if that's maybe something 30:46.520 --> 30:48.520 that is weird for that guild to deal with 30:48.520 --> 30:50.120 because I bet they have a lot of players 30:50.120 --> 30:52.920 that are like unproven and like obsessed 30:52.920 --> 30:55.560 with proving themselves in the guild 30:55.560 --> 30:58.240 by getting second or get it doing as well as they can. 30:58.240 --> 31:00.040 And they also have a fair amount of players 31:00.040 --> 31:03.200 that are like from Echo that have won multiple times. 31:04.160 --> 31:07.000 And you can't like convince those people 31:07.000 --> 31:08.840 to get hyped up for something that isn't first. 31:08.840 --> 31:10.240 Like that's just not real. 31:11.680 --> 31:13.880 So like, I wonder if it ever is weird in that guild 31:13.880 --> 31:16.280 trying to deal with both of those things. 31:16.280 --> 31:18.480 It sounds like it would be hard to deal with. 31:30.040 --> 31:35.040 Echo and Method need a restructuring if they ever want to stand a chance. 31:35.040 --> 31:42.040 There's literally no way you watched this race and the last race and think that Echo needs to majorly change something to win. 31:42.040 --> 31:44.040 Like they could have done both of those things. 31:44.040 --> 31:46.040 That's so unfair. 31:46.040 --> 32:00.840 Do you think it's also a 21-man diff between you and Scrype? 32:00.840 --> 32:05.200 I saw two different postures as body language if we compare you and Scrype. 32:05.200 --> 32:07.360 No, I have no idea. 32:07.360 --> 32:12.640 I actually think I am not as good as the Roger plus Scrype combo. 32:12.640 --> 32:17.280 I think those two together are definitely better than me. 32:17.280 --> 32:19.400 I don't think that's their issue at all, at least 32:19.400 --> 32:20.760 in terms of strategy. 32:20.760 --> 32:22.720 And it's really hard to gauge that, again, 32:22.720 --> 32:24.800 because I look at things they do and I'm like, oh, that's 32:24.800 --> 32:25.480 really smart. 32:25.480 --> 32:28.200 And there's a lot of stuff this race that they stole from us 32:28.200 --> 32:29.040 and we stole from them. 32:29.040 --> 32:30.280 But every time I see something and do something, 32:30.280 --> 32:31.320 I'm like, god, that's so smart. 32:31.320 --> 32:32.720 It was such a good strategic decision. 32:32.720 --> 32:33.960 I wish I would have done that. 32:33.960 --> 32:37.040 But also why I stopped beating myself up about it 32:37.040 --> 32:41.000 so much is I'm, in a lot of those cases, 32:41.000 --> 32:44.220 not in the situation where I have the idea of what we could do 32:44.220 --> 32:46.460 and what they already did, which is sometimes 32:46.460 --> 32:47.720 how they make their decisions. 32:47.720 --> 32:49.480 But late on a boss, like late in this raid, 32:49.480 --> 32:51.480 that wasn't true, like we were taking from each other. 32:51.480 --> 32:52.800 But yeah, they're really good. 33:11.000 --> 33:22.000 Is Boomi real? How is he so good and adaptable? 33:22.000 --> 33:26.000 Oh, yeah, Boomi's great. 33:26.000 --> 33:30.000 Skype mentioned liquid split strategy sucked compared to theirs. What was the diff? 33:30.000 --> 33:34.000 So I actually thought this as well. I thought we like hard through by losing a whole day of progression, 33:34.000 --> 33:36.000 but I was missing a bit of information. 33:36.000 --> 33:40.760 So it was not an entire day. It was like eight hours, which again is a lot of time 33:41.400 --> 33:48.720 But we did actually end up with better gear like we we spent a lot of time on that this morning actually looking at we simmed both of our rosters 33:49.760 --> 33:50.940 and 33:50.940 --> 33:56.680 Made sure like because like the eye level being around the same or little higher is like super fake because I 33:57.120 --> 34:00.620 Know I've kind of mentioned this at the beginning of the stream, but obviously this person wasn't here 34:03.040 --> 34:05.620 Everyone's eye level our whole raid had the heroic achievement 34:06.000 --> 34:11.520 and then our whole raid had as many mythic crests after that point as possible, which 34:12.320 --> 34:15.760 outside of mythic pieces that drop above one out of six myth trek, 34:16.640 --> 34:20.880 you're gaining very very small amounts of eye level, and by doing extra runs we definitely had 34:20.880 --> 34:26.320 better slotted items to spend crests on slightly. But was that worth eight hours of progression? 34:26.320 --> 34:30.560 No. But I think seeing it was like massively worse is also not seeing the full picture. 34:36.000 --> 34:44.760 He has been moving like prime LeBron lately. 34:44.760 --> 34:50.680 I will say something that's very impressive is like, I'm really proud of how we showed 34:50.680 --> 35:00.840 up on multiple days this year and on Demensius where, like, dude, waking up and knowing 35:00.840 --> 35:05.360 that your opponent who's very good can kill the boss and they're currently lower than 35:05.360 --> 35:12.320 you and then ignoring that pressure and then beating them to the end point three times 35:12.320 --> 35:17.520 in a row the Demensius day the secret phase day and the kill day both all three of those 35:17.520 --> 35:24.120 we woke up very behind and outpaced them after the day started that is extremely hard 35:24.120 --> 35:30.160 to do and your players have to be like fucking mentally built crazy different 35:30.160 --> 35:32.160 to be able to do that. 35:32.160 --> 35:35.160 And they're now, you could never convince them 35:35.160 --> 35:37.040 that they can't because they've just done it 35:37.040 --> 35:37.900 so many times in a row, 35:37.900 --> 35:39.820 which is really good for confidence going forward. 35:39.820 --> 35:43.000 It's so hard to know that until you do it. 35:46.960 --> 35:48.160 It's very, very good. 35:53.960 --> 35:56.960 Max, is your guild gonna give Mythic Plus ago this season? 36:00.160 --> 36:02.160 So 36:02.480 --> 36:09.340 If you guys watch the last MDI we like put together like a liquid team basically for the first time ever where it was like 36:10.160 --> 36:14.280 just straight up our best players were involved with it and like going super hard at it and 36:15.640 --> 36:19.640 They did really well. They came in second, but like it was them and 36:20.680 --> 36:26.060 Missed count with who won who was insane. It was them that were like playing at the same level 36:26.060 --> 36:28.940 They were lost by like a few seconds to them. 36:28.940 --> 36:33.940 And this was their first, like, as it called the TGP, 36:35.220 --> 36:37.440 is their first MDI as a team, 36:37.440 --> 36:40.820 and missed counts been like around for a while. 36:40.820 --> 36:43.040 So basically they just showed major upside. 36:44.020 --> 36:45.060 And it was really exciting. 36:45.060 --> 36:47.900 And if you follow the MDI, it's like, it was really cool. 36:52.100 --> 36:55.380 I got bad news, not like super bad news, but like, 36:55.380 --> 37:01.080 Okay, so time trial start in a week and all of these players just got done playing while non-stop all day every day 37:02.160 --> 37:04.980 since the end of February for early access and 37:05.220 --> 37:11.100 I was in a channel then the other day and they were like talking about not like hardcore talking about it 37:11.100 --> 37:13.100 But being like hey guys, how does it feel to? 37:14.340 --> 37:18.060 Take less than a week off and go straight back into all day every day 37:18.300 --> 37:22.940 months straight of all day every day MDI practice, which is what you would need to do to compete and 37:22.940 --> 37:29.540 And if you wouldn't be able to expect it, the burnout from this race is very real. 37:29.540 --> 37:34.940 This is the most effort any of these players have put in, and they're very over it, understandably. 37:34.940 --> 37:42.940 And they don't want to get released from one prison and put right back into another, so I kind of doubt they're going to do it. 37:42.940 --> 37:48.940 I'd be surprised if, honestly, any raced World First player does the MDI, at least the one upcoming here. 37:48.940 --> 37:55.940 Now the issue though is by doing this MDI you can qualify for like a LAN at BlizzCon, which is really cool, but it's just the timing is so bad. 37:55.940 --> 38:21.740 Max's burnout more than sepulcher. 38:21.740 --> 38:26.260 I think it's different, but it does seem so, yeah. 38:26.260 --> 38:28.540 Like none of these players wanted to do this much prep. 38:28.540 --> 38:32.060 Like fully preparing 16 characters, 38:32.060 --> 38:34.540 or sorry, 20 characters, 16 hours a day 38:35.500 --> 38:40.340 for like a month and a half is just, it's so fucking lame. 38:41.520 --> 38:44.660 It's what is required to compete, which is super lame, 38:44.660 --> 38:48.580 but no one likes it. 38:48.580 --> 38:50.820 It's the worst it's ever been in that regard. 38:51.740 --> 39:05.380 Max, are you going back to BlizzCon this year? 39:05.380 --> 39:06.380 Oh, yeah. 39:06.380 --> 39:07.380 I would assume so. 39:07.380 --> 39:08.380 I love going to BlizzCon. 39:08.380 --> 39:15.780 I've been to, like, I mean, I think I maybe have maybe, I've maybe missed a year one 39:15.780 --> 39:23.740 time since every when they've had it since like 2012 when hockey I just got 39:23.740 --> 39:48.060 back. Max, yesterday you mentioned that a specific person made the Guild 10% better. 39:48.060 --> 39:49.060 Who is that? 39:49.060 --> 40:04.700 Well, Hippie, I think is who I said that about, yeah, yeah, I mean, dude, he, he is a fucking 40:04.700 --> 40:11.180 monster, man, just you ask him for something, it's instantly ready, it always works. 40:11.180 --> 40:16.180 a communication, like teamwork problem solving, 40:16.180 --> 40:17.900 he works really well with another, 40:17.900 --> 40:21.660 like a tech creator that we have. 40:22.920 --> 40:25.860 It was just a complete breath of fresh air. 40:25.860 --> 40:30.020 And I am like, with how close this race was, 40:30.020 --> 40:33.180 I'm pretty sure we would have lost if he wasn't here. 40:33.180 --> 40:36.100 Just straight up, he had insane tech. 40:36.100 --> 40:38.980 Like that memory game tech was fucking beast. 40:38.980 --> 40:43.060 In Echo, I don't believe had that ready. 40:43.060 --> 40:46.860 They basically made it when they saw what they were using was not that. 40:46.860 --> 40:50.660 And it was just so smart. 40:50.660 --> 40:54.740 There's a lot more people involved with that than just hippie. 40:54.740 --> 40:57.740 But yeah, he was very impressive. 41:08.980 --> 41:12.740 Max, have you taken a look at logs on stream yet? 41:12.740 --> 41:15.180 Curious how AUG did compared to other classes. 41:15.180 --> 41:16.340 AUG is extremely broken. 41:16.340 --> 41:23.580 It's like the best class in your raid on every fight. 41:23.580 --> 41:28.220 If we wanted more boss damage, the first thing we would do is swap in a third AUG. 41:28.220 --> 41:29.220 Think about that. 41:29.220 --> 41:33.300 It's fucking insane. 41:33.300 --> 41:40.300 so it's so good 41:42.420 --> 41:45.020 max you miss playing and read leading at the same time 41:45.020 --> 41:47.420 would you want to do to get the game a lot of 41:47.420 --> 41:48.980 i mean it does allow it 41:48.980 --> 41:50.780 like we could do it i 41:50.780 --> 41:51.460 and not 41:51.460 --> 41:54.780 it's only a few expansions ago where i was doing that full-time 41:54.780 --> 41:57.500 uh... will never go back to it because 41:57.500 --> 42:00.540 there's no way they would realistically band doing it right how the fuck 42:00.540 --> 42:07.260 would you do that? And it's just too good. It's just super overpowered. Like basically 42:07.260 --> 42:12.140 when you're raid leading in game is you are hopefully a good enough player to win when 42:12.140 --> 42:15.700 you are purely playing your character in your peripheral vision and your main focus is raid 42:15.700 --> 42:20.500 leading the guild, you are still acceptable in whatever guild rank you're in. Most people 42:20.500 --> 42:24.020 do this the opposite way where they try to be as good as they can be. And then 42:24.020 --> 42:27.540 they raid lead after that, but you're just actually a shitty 100% of shitty raid 42:27.540 --> 42:35.700 leader if that's like your priority and why would you ever take that concession if you 42:35.700 --> 42:38.740 can have someone in the raid instead of you that's fully focused on playing the game and 42:38.740 --> 42:42.440 you can be outside the raid and be a way better raid leader because you also don't 42:42.440 --> 42:45.860 have to be worrying about that it's just it's not it's not even an argument like 42:45.860 --> 42:46.700 It's just insane. 42:56.180 --> 42:59.020 Max, I thought ECHO was better in P1 pre-glaze nerf, 42:59.020 --> 43:01.340 but you were way better at P3 and P4. 43:01.340 --> 43:03.140 Yeah, I also, I think that was because like, 43:03.140 --> 43:05.140 okay, so P1 is a phase, 43:05.140 --> 43:07.100 and I think you guys would agree with this, 43:07.100 --> 43:09.580 that you were getting through P1 43:09.580 --> 43:12.060 with really high consistency for multiple hours, 43:12.060 --> 43:13.700 and then like you could have multiple hours 43:13.700 --> 43:15.540 where you go bad. 43:15.860 --> 43:21.260 We were the night before the nerf. We went to bed 43:21.940 --> 43:23.940 being out of P1 like 43:25.580 --> 43:30.060 Like 50 60% of the time over a two to three hour period 43:31.980 --> 43:35.240 It was insane we were fucking blasting P1 43:36.260 --> 43:41.660 But before in that day we would throw in P1 because that's just kind of how that phase was before they nerfed it 43:41.660 --> 43:44.380 and after by the way, and then we woke up 43:44.380 --> 43:50.200 And they were having a hot streak as well and then the nerf came in and then the narrative is oh 43:50.360 --> 43:56.320 Well, this sucks for you because they were way better at P1 and I just like I don't even I just don't even know 43:56.320 --> 43:59.620 How you could have that they were they were like figuring out P2 really well 43:59.620 --> 44:01.920 They were doing P2 way better than us or P2 strat was great 44:01.920 --> 44:04.320 But as far as getting out of P1 the previous night we were great I 44:05.140 --> 44:10.760 Think it was just the narrative of the people creating the narrative basically like oh this is so fucked for us 44:10.760 --> 44:12.760 And I mean I do feel for you like 44:12.760 --> 44:18.420 Basically, the only time Blizzard has done any nerfs in the last, I mean, a long time, 44:18.420 --> 44:22.600 has been like early in the morning Pacific time when they wake up and go to the office, 44:22.600 --> 44:26.920 which is right when we start our raid and it's a few hours from there's ending. 44:26.920 --> 44:29.760 That is always going to feel bad, but also I don't know a time where Blizzard can 44:29.760 --> 44:33.720 nerf bosses and like everyone or even kind of feels good about it, like someone's going 44:33.720 --> 44:41.140 to feel like they're getting fucked, but what they did was nerf P1 after our guild 44:41.140 --> 44:47.240 Gold had pulled it 180 times and their Guild Hub pulled it 195 times. 44:47.240 --> 44:55.640 We spent basically the same amount of time in the phase that was nerfed. 44:55.640 --> 44:59.540 I can understand it being at the beginning of our day and feeling bad about that for 44:59.540 --> 45:05.740 sure but I think their complaining about nerf timing is really overblown. 45:05.740 --> 45:08.980 All of us look side-eyed at that for sure. 45:08.980 --> 45:14.780 They blow that way in a proportion and their fans are super annoying about it. 45:14.780 --> 45:20.460 And yeah, I'm just, and also like, I promise you, you've never had a worse nerve timing 45:20.460 --> 45:21.460 than us. 45:21.460 --> 45:33.580 I'm just going to throw that out there. 45:33.580 --> 45:35.580 Is there any toxicity this race? 45:35.580 --> 45:42.260 I usually stay off of like social media, mainly, sometimes at night before I go to bed. 45:43.180 --> 45:43.860 I don't think so. 45:43.860 --> 45:49.340 I mean, there's always like fans for both teams that are horrible to each other and horrible to us, 45:49.780 --> 45:51.660 but they get pretty quickly banned. 45:52.020 --> 45:55.980 You know, there's a lot of people who like are in chat and like when the other guild is wiping low, 45:55.980 --> 45:58.060 they're like, oh, echoes at 10%. 45:58.100 --> 45:59.220 Oh, echo might kill. 45:59.340 --> 46:01.140 Those people aren't, I don't think are being toxic. 46:01.140 --> 46:01.900 They're just like excited. 46:01.900 --> 46:08.800 I don't think there is a lot of talk. It used to be much more toxic and like BFA for sure 46:08.800 --> 46:13.340 Like literally they're like biggest streamer was just like slandering us every single day 46:13.700 --> 46:20.580 Like we hate the fuck out of that guy and them at the time for that now. I think mostly there's very little toxicity 46:20.580 --> 46:26.700 There's definitely players. I'm sure that they don't like our guild and there's certainly a player that we do not really like in their guild 46:26.700 --> 46:31.440 But other than that, it's very cordial. 46:31.440 --> 46:33.120 I mean, I literally tried to call Roger. 46:33.120 --> 46:34.960 I was driving home from hockey today 46:34.960 --> 46:37.240 and I was just, I literally called Roger on Discord. 46:37.240 --> 46:38.760 I don't think he's probably asleep or something, 46:38.760 --> 46:40.960 but it's fine. 46:56.700 --> 47:04.700 Max is a liquid fan, this race would be so boring without ECHO. 47:04.700 --> 47:06.700 Yeah, yeah, for sure. 47:06.700 --> 47:08.700 Said that a lot. 47:15.700 --> 47:18.700 Max, do you enjoy the drama comments post-race? 47:18.700 --> 47:20.700 I mean, I honestly haven't seen any. 47:26.700 --> 47:35.740 Max, talk about Prezavoker. In what way? I don't really know what to say about it. Oh, 47:35.740 --> 47:40.580 you know what we should do today? We should review your all's pre-raid raid comp predictions. 47:40.580 --> 47:49.780 That'll be fun. And then also, let's review our pre-raid, like, all classes tier list 47:49.780 --> 47:53.900 to see how right we got. And by the way, y'all better be ready to apologize to 47:53.900 --> 47:57.500 the fucking Ellasmere. I'll say it right now. There's all this is always the case with 47:57.500 --> 48:00.580 a few of these people, but they come on those things and they're very honest and you guys 48:00.580 --> 48:06.460 all think they're sandbagging. And Ellasmere said Paladin is fucking mid his fucking raid. 48:06.460 --> 48:10.980 And it was even worse than that. And all of you, including Jack on my stream, we're 48:10.980 --> 48:14.860 slandering that man's name and saying he was like fucking full of shit and he 48:14.860 --> 48:20.220 was exactly right. So remember that the next time you guys are super upset 48:20.220 --> 48:23.340 that the person that actually knows what they're talking about 48:23.340 --> 48:25.940 isn't agreeing with your narrative that a class is better 48:25.940 --> 48:27.620 than you think it is, right? 48:42.260 --> 48:45.260 Like, Holy Paladin is dog shit. 48:45.260 --> 48:49.980 By the way, how they did not buff Holy Paladin? 48:49.980 --> 48:52.420 before Heroic Week, before Mythic Week. 48:52.420 --> 48:57.140 But dude, after Mythic Week 1, no Holy Paladin buff. 48:57.140 --> 48:58.460 What is even happening? 48:58.460 --> 49:01.060 They are probably the single worst spec in the game 49:01.060 --> 49:02.820 at what they're attempting to do, right? 49:02.820 --> 49:04.860 Like healing or damage or whatever. 49:04.860 --> 49:06.780 And that is the one class not getting changed. 49:06.780 --> 49:07.660 How is it possible? 49:07.660 --> 49:09.420 Are they like really good in like PvP 49:09.420 --> 49:10.820 or like Mythic Plus or something? 49:10.820 --> 49:14.260 Like what causes them to be so bad 49:14.260 --> 49:15.100 and them not be buffed? 49:15.100 --> 49:15.940 I don't even understand. 49:15.940 --> 49:18.380 It's not like Holy Paladins are like a, 49:18.380 --> 49:20.780 You know what can happen a lot of times? 49:20.780 --> 49:25.780 Is classes that have a not very vocal community 49:27.140 --> 49:29.180 can be dog shit and Blizzard will never change it 49:29.180 --> 49:30.680 because as you could probably imagine, 49:30.680 --> 49:32.420 Squeaky Wheel gets the grease. 49:32.420 --> 49:33.980 If you are constantly complaining 49:33.980 --> 49:36.660 that your class isn't good enough and you're not wrong, 49:36.660 --> 49:38.340 you're going to have a higher chance of being buffed 49:38.340 --> 49:39.780 than if you don't have people who cry a lot. 49:39.780 --> 49:41.780 So I mean, I know this is really insufferable 49:41.780 --> 49:43.460 but like you should just cry all the time 49:43.460 --> 49:46.420 if your class is bad because you just have a higher chance 49:46.420 --> 49:47.380 of it getting nerfed. 49:47.380 --> 49:50.020 And like, holy poutons cry so much, dude. 49:50.020 --> 49:52.220 Like they actually will not shut up 49:52.220 --> 49:53.780 and they're still not getting buffed. 49:53.780 --> 49:55.600 It makes no sense. 49:55.600 --> 49:57.780 Like, I don't know if you could kill these bosses 49:57.780 --> 49:59.220 with a holy God, man. 49:59.220 --> 50:01.860 Like they're fucking terrible compared to other healers 50:01.860 --> 50:02.700 this year. 50:10.140 --> 50:13.440 And, and that's including a tier 50:13.440 --> 50:23.440 where the supposed second to last boss in Illyria and the last boss have a massive single target healing requirement on its very select people, 50:23.440 --> 50:26.440 which by the way, isn't that like Holy Paladin's entire bit? 50:26.440 --> 50:31.440 Is it like massive single target healing on the healing absorb on Illyria? 50:31.440 --> 50:40.440 Like Holy Paladins are better at that than everyone, and they're still not good enough to even be considered, like not even considered. 50:40.440 --> 50:44.520 Uh, crazy. 50:53.160 --> 50:56.120 Max, do you think looking forward Blizzard will have more secret phases? 50:56.800 --> 50:58.880 Yeah, it's interesting because this raid. 51:01.440 --> 51:04.200 I mean, that was just the biggest race to world first moment ever. 51:04.240 --> 51:07.880 The clip of our secret phase has more clip has more views than our kill, 51:07.920 --> 51:08.800 which was a day later. 51:09.040 --> 51:10.200 The thing that actually matters. 51:10.440 --> 51:14.400 It was everywhere. I got texted about it from a lot of my friends that don't even play. Wow 51:15.000 --> 51:19.280 There there it was it was very widespread. It was very culturally relevant 51:20.360 --> 51:22.360 But that being said 51:23.480 --> 51:25.480 It can't 51:25.480 --> 51:27.320 It can't happen 51:27.320 --> 51:33.300 That thing that happened two days ago can't happen if they make secret phases all the time 51:34.640 --> 51:38.920 Like they made a secret phase we data-minded we knew about it 51:38.920 --> 51:45.760 And then, I mean, I literally said on stream 95% chance as a secret phase, and then they made a boss so hard that even we 51:47.280 --> 51:51.440 Completely did not believe that there would actually be a secret phase because it would be fucking insane 51:51.960 --> 51:55.480 To make you kill that boss and then there is it's not over 51:57.000 --> 52:02.920 That's how they just so many things had to go this direction because really our reaction to the secret phase is a 52:02.920 --> 52:06.920 a large part of why it was so interesting to watch 52:06.920 --> 52:08.760 because we actually thought we won 52:08.760 --> 52:11.040 and we were devastated that it was not over. 52:11.040 --> 52:15.040 And that is, you know, that made that moment what it was. 52:15.040 --> 52:17.760 Not to mention it also happened to be Easter Sunday. 52:17.760 --> 52:21.280 You're talking insane R&G, like crazy fucking R&G. 52:21.280 --> 52:23.600 Dude, can you imagine how cool it would have been 52:25.340 --> 52:28.520 to be in like the, I'm sure there was a watch party 52:28.520 --> 52:30.140 or like a Discord call or something 52:30.140 --> 52:31.520 with all the people who knew about this 52:31.520 --> 52:34.960 that create bosses at Blizzard, just watching us and Echo get low 52:34.960 --> 52:37.080 and all these casters talking about who's going to win the race 52:37.080 --> 52:39.160 and all of them know on fucking Easter Sunday 52:39.160 --> 52:41.600 that this boss is about to go to one billion HP again 52:41.600 --> 52:42.640 after that happens. 52:42.640 --> 52:46.440 That must have been the most hype group chat of all time. 52:46.440 --> 52:49.800 Like they had to have been going like pop in the fuck off 52:49.800 --> 52:50.640 in there. 52:50.640 --> 52:54.440 That would have been insane to be a part of that. 52:54.440 --> 52:56.720 And yeah, I don't know, man, like that it was sick. 52:56.720 --> 53:00.280 But the thing is though, the secret phases are not normal. 53:00.280 --> 53:03.060 And secret phases that we don't know about 53:03.060 --> 53:04.920 are basically unheard of. 53:04.920 --> 53:07.840 Just gonna give you a little tidbit of information. 53:07.840 --> 53:10.760 Every single secret phase that has happened 53:10.760 --> 53:12.920 since I have been rating, 53:12.920 --> 53:16.080 we have known about it before it happened 53:16.080 --> 53:18.400 and we were positive it was going to happen. 53:18.400 --> 53:19.240 It was datamined. 53:19.240 --> 53:20.240 They're way better at datamining now. 53:20.240 --> 53:22.320 Most of this stuff was server side scripts 53:22.320 --> 53:23.320 on how these things worked 53:23.320 --> 53:25.240 where you couldn't really datamine it. 53:25.240 --> 53:27.320 They got a lot better at hiding it 53:27.320 --> 53:28.580 and the boss had to be hard enough 53:28.580 --> 53:31.380 that even though we knew it was there, 53:31.380 --> 53:33.780 like what the fuck could reintegration even be, right? 53:33.780 --> 53:35.660 Like we knew it was there, 53:35.660 --> 53:37.340 but we had still convinced ourselves 53:37.340 --> 53:38.500 that it wasn't going to happen. 53:38.500 --> 53:40.220 Obviously, you don't even need to hear me say this. 53:40.220 --> 53:41.300 You can tell from our reaction, 53:41.300 --> 53:43.020 clearly we thought it was over. 53:44.260 --> 53:46.740 And that reaction could not have been that way 53:46.740 --> 53:48.780 if we had data minded at like every other secret phase. 53:48.780 --> 53:50.580 So it was pretty special, 53:50.580 --> 53:53.940 but also if they do this next tier 53:53.940 --> 53:56.700 and if they do this the tier after that, 53:56.700 --> 53:58.380 if they, maybe the better way to look at it 53:58.380 --> 54:04.380 like if they did this on Demensius or if they did this on Anserec or something, it wouldn't 54:04.380 --> 54:11.100 have made this moment what it was. No one, everyone was like, what the fuck is happening, 54:11.100 --> 54:18.500 right? And that can't be the case unless this is very rare, right? It has to be random 54:18.500 --> 54:26.340 and it has to be rare. So as far as like whether they keep doing it, I don't know. 54:26.340 --> 54:28.960 But it was definitely cool. 54:28.960 --> 54:30.120 It's cool that we won. 54:30.120 --> 54:34.500 I will tell you that if we lost this race, I would have very negative feelings about that 54:34.500 --> 54:35.500 secret phase. 54:35.500 --> 54:37.900 I'm completely honest with you. 54:37.900 --> 54:42.940 Like bro, we end up like killing what everyone thought was the end of the boss and then wait, 54:42.940 --> 54:46.840 we end up fucking progressing the whole day learning the secret phase for our opponents. 54:46.840 --> 54:49.100 We go to sleep, wake up and we've lost. 54:49.100 --> 54:51.380 Bro, actually blow me the fuck up. 54:51.380 --> 54:54.940 That would be, that very likely could have happened, right? 54:54.940 --> 55:01.200 I'm so happy that did not happen and then like of and then the only thing that will remain from this race is a clip of me 55:01.200 --> 55:04.660 That is by the way has more views than like any race to world first win 55:05.940 --> 55:08.340 Is us celebrating a race that we lost 55:09.460 --> 55:15.140 humiliating like I'm fucking Jesus Christ. Thank God be one like it. Oh my god. Oh my god 55:24.940 --> 55:41.980 They would have been the only time a guild found the secret phase and then lost. 55:41.980 --> 55:46.460 True, right? 55:46.460 --> 55:55.780 We saw N'Zoth first and we won Echo saw Jailer first and they won Exorcist saw Gul'dan first 55:55.780 --> 55:56.780 and they won. 55:56.780 --> 56:00.300 Did Exorcist see Gul'dan before, or see Gul'dan, see your face before Serenity? 56:00.300 --> 56:01.820 I actually don't know that. 56:01.820 --> 56:05.260 I could ask Renako, he was in Serenity, but the race wasn't streamed at that point, 56:05.260 --> 56:09.620 so that kind of makes sense. 56:09.620 --> 56:14.500 In fact, it actually sounds likely to me that in the era of streaming the race 56:14.500 --> 56:20.580 to world first, I would say more often than not, the team that gets to the secret phase 56:20.580 --> 56:26.740 first would actually lose. Because like if there's anything that streaming your progress 56:26.740 --> 56:31.280 hurts you, it's giving away information that another team could not at that point have 56:31.280 --> 56:36.960 obtained on their own, especially when they are asleep. And showing a literal phase is 56:36.960 --> 56:43.800 like the most extreme version of that, like you are giving them infinite information. 56:43.800 --> 56:47.760 you are saving probably hours of time, just straight up. 56:47.760 --> 56:49.120 Logs would have helped a little bit more, 56:49.120 --> 56:51.400 because I imagine they didn't know. 56:51.400 --> 56:54.680 One thing that we knew about the phase that they didn't, 56:54.680 --> 56:56.960 until they woke up and got there themselves, 56:56.960 --> 56:58.840 is what the actual damage checkup the phase was. 56:58.840 --> 57:00.200 Because the only way you could know that 57:00.200 --> 57:03.600 is by having logs of how much damage 57:03.600 --> 57:06.600 the light did to Lura. 57:06.600 --> 57:09.720 So that was at least important. 57:09.720 --> 57:11.400 I honestly think if they had known that, 57:11.400 --> 57:13.200 I don't know if they would have gone with the comp 57:13.200 --> 57:19.160 swap that they did and have some relearning because you want to know why we went to bed 57:19.160 --> 57:23.400 and we were like, we fucking lost because we knew how free the fucking phase we got to 57:23.400 --> 57:27.400 that phase. They're going to lie five times and killed it in P4. It's a free as fuck 57:27.400 --> 57:33.120 phase damage like everything wise. Honestly, it's just the reason it's hard as it happens 57:33.120 --> 57:36.760 so late into the boss. Like if you were to hit a pole 10 and be able to start in 57:36.760 --> 57:42.320 P4, us or Echo is getting that 100% down to zero mistakes and less than three poles. 57:42.320 --> 57:47.780 It's not hard, but it is hard. 57:47.780 --> 57:52.920 It's not hard standalone, but it's hard because you get to the last phase and then you're nervous 57:52.920 --> 58:00.320 and you're also exhausted and you've been mentally locked in for 10 minutes to even get there. 58:00.320 --> 58:03.820 Just getting to the secret phase of this boss is one of the hardest bosses ever. 58:03.820 --> 58:04.820 Think about that. 58:04.820 --> 58:05.820 It's fucking crazy. 58:05.820 --> 58:10.000 Then you have to do something else where if you move a pixel in the wrong direction 58:10.000 --> 58:12.160 with these little star splinters. Everyone's dead. 58:16.240 --> 58:20.480 Bro, everyone really dislikes Jinji. Did I miss the lore? Yeah, I actually kind of didn't understand 58:20.480 --> 58:26.240 that either. Like we obviously have had many circumstances where like, and this by the way, 58:26.240 --> 58:29.680 please don't like feed off of this. I don't want to feed more into him getting like shit on and 58:29.680 --> 58:33.680 stuff because this doesn't matter that this is the case. You should not be parasocial with 58:33.680 --> 58:38.480 us or really anyone. But like, obviously we do not like him at all, especially for the fired 58:38.480 --> 58:45.200 it up, think like we will never fuck with that guy ever after that. But I don't understand why he's 58:45.200 --> 58:50.080 getting dunked on so much on the internet. Like he's like, I read multiple tweets where they're 58:50.080 --> 58:57.680 like, turns out the biggest DPS increases sitting Genji turns out, or like, fucking this guy's 58:57.680 --> 59:02.720 solo fucking works for liquid and like solo into them and like that is like not 59:04.320 --> 59:07.040 like I just don't even understand like when is the narrative that Genji is a bad player? 59:07.040 --> 59:12.760 And he's like one of the most accomplished wow players ever right across raid and mythic plus 59:16.320 --> 59:18.520 What did he say about fire if you don't know about that situation 59:19.680 --> 59:24.040 I'm not gonna bring it up because I don't want you guys to like piggyback off of it and be weird about it 59:24.240 --> 59:26.920 That's not the point. I'm just like being real with you 59:26.920 --> 59:32.520 I'm not I do I do not want you guys to act on our behalf of like how we feel about something is not relevant to you 59:37.980 --> 59:42.840 Let's see max the secret phase made both guilds so much money dude. Yeah 59:43.560 --> 59:45.040 we 59:45.040 --> 59:50.440 We probably got our job saved by that lookie the first the first week was horrible for viewership and 59:51.360 --> 59:56.680 Yeah, having two straight days like a hundred K concurrent concurrent viewers is like insane that 59:58.840 --> 01:00:02.800 Yeah, bro if this if this race would have been like week one and week two 01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:09.160 It had so many lasting things. Not to mention is it terrible for business and we would have lost 01:00:09.940 --> 01:00:11.940 probably over a hundred thousand dollars. 01:00:12.160 --> 01:00:14.160 These events are very expensive. 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:19.320 And not only that, but we would have 01:00:20.200 --> 01:00:25.800 probably lost a lot of good players. Can you imagine like these players prep more than they ever have before and then it's all for 01:00:26.040 --> 01:00:30.720 bosses that are like kindergarten level? Like they would be like, why are we even playing the game? 01:00:30.720 --> 01:00:39.720 It would have, it would have had, I honestly think, I don't know if the race will ever die, but it would have been significantly hurt if they would have fucked week two up with this race. 01:00:49.720 --> 01:00:54.720 Max, is that number inflated a bit? I know I had both streams open the whole time, you guys are both progressing. 01:00:54.720 --> 01:01:00.720 I don't know. I know that the viewership between them was swinging massively when one team and wipe and one team weren't. 01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:02.720 So I think not everyone was doing that. 01:01:02.720 --> 01:01:06.720 But also Twitch has some things in place that a lot of people confuse. 01:01:06.720 --> 01:01:11.720 If you guys have ever heard someone say like lurkers don't count for your viewer count, that's like totally fucking made up by the way. 01:01:11.720 --> 01:01:18.720 But what they're referencing is if you have like multiple stream tabs open unmuted or like in a different tab, 01:01:18.720 --> 01:01:23.720 like it will not count the one you're not actively watching. Like they fixed the like muting the tab thing. 01:01:23.720 --> 01:01:30.480 So like I think a lot of that isn't counted for but I would think logically that like if you're caring about the race and everyone's 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.540 Here for this event and it's hype because you're watching both teams. How would you not have them both open? You know like I don't 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:38.440 Yeah, I don't know also YouTube had a lot 01:01:45.400 --> 01:01:49.300 Max you think blizzard pumps those bosses up during the first week and they realized it was too easy 01:01:49.300 --> 01:01:55.140 I think that's not even arguable the answer that is yes not to mention for the first time ever 01:01:55.740 --> 01:02:00.940 They increased a boss's loot pool to reflect its new difficulty over the reset 01:02:00.940 --> 01:02:04.240 They buffed Bellarine loot to three out of six to four out of six mythic 01:02:04.240 --> 01:02:10.720 Which is only true of two other bosses alleria and lura and like they mean yeah 01:02:10.720 --> 01:02:13.260 But like without question the answer to that is yes 01:02:13.260 --> 01:02:23.900 Max, so you're in hindsight you're happy with them emergency buffing midnight falls. I don't even know 01:02:23.900 --> 01:02:28.380 if it was an emergency buff. I still think people get that wrong. Like we have fought bosses before 01:02:28.380 --> 01:02:33.420 that were buffed as much as Belorin and midnight falls were buffed. We read those notes and then 01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:37.500 we pulled the boss and the boss died in 10 pulls and it's because the number before that was so 01:02:37.500 --> 01:02:42.300 low. But the number before a boss is released is completely irrelevant because no one is 01:02:42.300 --> 01:02:47.580 pulling it at that time. So any buffs or nerfs before something is released is just final tuning 01:02:47.580 --> 01:02:52.380 numbers or maybe they were waiting for more information to actually tune it. And I think 01:02:52.380 --> 01:02:55.660 like the whole narrative was like, oh, like, oh my god, they're buffing these and I mean, 01:02:55.660 --> 01:02:59.340 it ended up being that they were obviously very hard and harder than they probably originally 01:02:59.340 --> 01:03:05.740 would have been. But that's not, it's correlation, not causation, right? It's not, 01:03:06.540 --> 01:03:11.020 it's not because of those emergency, emergency buffs or whatever. Like that's just, 01:03:11.020 --> 01:03:15.260 That happens like to pretty much every boss we pull after the first three or four every rate here 01:03:15.260 --> 01:03:42.700 Max, do you think that you are getting worse as a raid leader the longer it's been since 01:03:42.700 --> 01:03:44.900 you were a player in the raid? 01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:46.900 No, but I don't know, maybe. 01:03:46.900 --> 01:03:47.380 Who knows? 01:04:05.620 --> 01:04:07.100 Max, is there any concern for you 01:04:07.100 --> 01:04:09.380 as a guild leader that your raiders might get complacent 01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:11.620 after winning four in a row? 01:04:11.620 --> 01:04:18.500 Concern no because like it's kind of insane for them to prep as much as they are just to show up to a tier and not like 01:04:18.620 --> 01:04:22.080 Give it their all. It's just it doesn't really make sense 01:04:22.780 --> 01:04:25.680 I'm not concerned about it, but I do know that there will be that 01:04:26.620 --> 01:04:31.540 Do you think that the guild that's won four times in a row is gonna compete harder and 01:04:32.380 --> 01:04:38.100 Care as much as the team that's lost four in a row like the versions of ourselves that has lost three rates in a row 01:04:38.100 --> 01:04:40.100 Which which by the way has happened to us 01:04:40.100 --> 01:04:46.100 you can't simulate wanting something that bad versus being used to winning. 01:04:46.100 --> 01:04:58.100 It's impossible. So we are absolutely more complacent than our multiple time losing in a row versions of ourselves in this alternate reality. 01:04:58.100 --> 01:05:03.100 But it's not by a lot, right? But I mean, it's a thing. It's just, it's how humans are. 01:05:03.100 --> 01:05:05.760 It's check every major sport, right? 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.300 Like when people even have the same roster 01:05:08.300 --> 01:05:10.140 after they win a few times, you just simply, 01:05:10.140 --> 01:05:12.380 you simply, it's first of all, it's so hard to do that. 01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:14.500 And second, it's just impossible to replicate 01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:17.500 the same level of caring because you're a human, you know? 01:05:18.740 --> 01:05:20.300 So I don't know. 01:05:20.300 --> 01:05:21.980 I mean, I sure hope that doesn't end up being the case 01:05:21.980 --> 01:05:23.460 where we just think no one can beat us 01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:26.140 and then we lose a race and we're losers for six months 01:05:26.140 --> 01:05:27.620 and that feels terrible. 01:05:29.260 --> 01:05:30.860 But yeah, I mean, we all really care a lot. 01:05:30.860 --> 01:05:33.060 So I think we'll always prepare well, but yeah. 01:05:33.100 --> 01:05:48.540 Max, with a weak start and a strong finish, how would you rate the race overall compared 01:05:48.540 --> 01:05:50.820 to previous ones? 01:05:50.820 --> 01:05:54.980 I don't think I can relate this race to any previous race. 01:05:54.980 --> 01:05:59.060 The first week was complete dog shit, and the second week was one of the most insane 01:05:59.060 --> 01:06:03.020 things to ever happen to me. 01:06:03.020 --> 01:06:08.380 I don't like it's so hard to even find the middle ground between that because they just felt like two different things 01:06:09.380 --> 01:06:11.780 Like I'd never want to do a mythic split again. I 01:06:12.580 --> 01:06:17.300 Never want to take four days off after we start and having to get players to like really refocus again 01:06:18.740 --> 01:06:20.740 I 01:06:20.820 --> 01:06:26.300 Don't know it's crazy. I'm actually really happy. I mean obviously, but also I'm really excited 01:06:26.300 --> 01:06:32.740 that like the viewership was really high again in week two. 01:06:32.740 --> 01:06:35.180 Like I thought after week one, even if week two was a banger, 01:06:35.180 --> 01:06:37.100 just people would have tuned out and stopped caring. 01:06:37.620 --> 01:06:39.060 But clearly that is not true. 01:06:39.060 --> 01:06:41.780 Like those viewership numbers were insane. 01:06:42.660 --> 01:06:43.940 Actually insane. 01:06:44.380 --> 01:06:48.460 So I, and for long period, for like two days, right? 01:06:48.540 --> 01:06:53.260 So I'm really glad that the first week wasn't a total turnoff. 01:06:56.300 --> 01:07:01.220 Max, your new members seem to really own. 01:07:01.220 --> 01:07:03.020 How do you feel about your new additions just here? 01:07:03.020 --> 01:07:04.020 Yeah, I mean, you said it. 01:07:04.020 --> 01:07:05.020 They're good. 01:07:05.020 --> 01:07:12.220 I don't know what else how many say about that. 01:07:12.220 --> 01:07:14.020 The casters had some really good filler. 01:07:14.020 --> 01:07:18.140 Yeah, I called my mom today and she mentioned like some kind of cams thing where he was 01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:22.220 like a wannabe caster or something and he like logged on my computer and like put 01:07:22.220 --> 01:07:23.220 a virus on it. 01:07:23.220 --> 01:07:30.220 I haven't seen that, but it just sounded fucking crazy. 01:07:30.220 --> 01:07:32.220 She loved it. 01:07:36.220 --> 01:07:40.220 Max, any concern that liquids continued dominance could hurt the viewership? 01:07:40.220 --> 01:07:47.220 Until Echo is no longer competitive, or gives up, which won't happen, they're just too good for that. 01:07:47.220 --> 01:07:51.220 I don't think it would ever matter now. 01:07:51.220 --> 01:08:05.220 Like we've seen it before, like when we've lost a few in a row, we notice that the narrative starts to shift from us being like, like when we were losing a lot in a row, people like wanted us to win so bad, like the consensus was like, dude, I just want liquid to win. 01:08:05.220 --> 01:08:12.220 And then after we've won multiple in a row, it kind of swaps. It's like, please, I want Echo to win. And it's just people just want something new, right? 01:08:12.220 --> 01:08:18.220 But I don't think that interest goes away. It just shifts from one guild to another sometimes between like fans. 01:08:18.220 --> 01:08:22.580 But yeah, I mean, I don't also like what the fuck you want me to do about that 01:08:23.260 --> 01:08:26.500 Just throw a race so it's like more interesting for the viewers fuck that 01:08:29.780 --> 01:08:31.780 People want actual competition 01:08:31.980 --> 01:08:37.820 But I don't know if you've watched the last two races and think there's not competition, but you are crazy as fuck I 01:08:38.340 --> 01:08:41.300 Have I was certain that we lost both of them 01:08:42.100 --> 01:08:46.700 So like I and I me so like I don't know how you could possibly think that 01:08:48.220 --> 01:09:17.340 Max Yargi was incredible, but clearly at times struggled with consistency. 01:09:17.340 --> 01:09:21.820 he do enough to stay with liquid. Yeah, yeah, Yagi was good. 01:09:25.580 --> 01:09:29.820 Struggle consistency. I mean, he did have some deaths in P1, but I don't think he ever really 01:09:29.820 --> 01:09:33.180 reacted poorly to it. You want to know something that's really interesting about Yagi? 01:09:34.540 --> 01:09:39.580 Bro, he made Mark have the best tier of his fucking life. I don't know if it's like 01:09:40.380 --> 01:09:44.300 Mark certain players are differently. I think Mark really does well with 01:09:44.300 --> 01:09:48.860 someone else like bounce ideas off of as I think most players would, but like, 01:09:49.740 --> 01:09:54.060 I think like Mark, I don't know, maybe just didn't feel, I mean, this is, I'm totally just making this 01:09:54.060 --> 01:10:01.420 up. Like none of this could be true. But like, I wonder if maybe Mark saw Yargie joining as like 01:10:01.420 --> 01:10:08.300 some competition for his raid spot and just like locked the fuck in like this is Mark played 01:10:08.300 --> 01:10:13.660 so fucking nuts this raid. He was insane. He was like one of our best players by a lot. 01:10:14.300 --> 01:10:19.660 And I find that interaction I haven't talked to him about this yet 01:10:19.660 --> 01:10:25.820 But I I don't know if there's any correlation with that not to say that like he normally wouldn't play I mean he's really really good 01:10:25.820 --> 01:10:30.040 It's just like he definitely was on a different level this raid and this raid was fucking hard 01:10:31.500 --> 01:10:33.500 So I 01:10:33.740 --> 01:10:37.860 Yeah, I don't know I find stuff like that interesting kind of makes me want to do that more often 01:10:37.860 --> 01:10:39.900 I mean you can't like manufacture that though 01:10:39.900 --> 01:10:44.140 You have to like if that if that is actually true, and I'm not just projecting all this like 01:10:44.620 --> 01:10:47.940 You would have to recruit someone that would actually genuinely make that player 01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:53.220 You know be like I need to like lock in you know you can't like that's not true of everyone 01:10:54.260 --> 01:10:56.260 Dargi has good PR 01:11:05.100 --> 01:11:08.900 You guys are talking about MVPs are spelling Chungus whole wrong 01:11:09.900 --> 01:11:15.060 Yeah, Lip had a really good raid. Atlas had an amazing raid. He did so good on 01:11:15.060 --> 01:11:23.220 Illyria and Bellerin. I mean yeah, a lot of players are really well. A Shine played 01:11:23.220 --> 01:11:26.700 through like the most ridiculous circumstances. He was like having the 01:11:26.700 --> 01:11:29.900 worst sleep of his life. He like, we almost wanted him to go to the doctor. 01:11:29.900 --> 01:11:35.140 Like he was just so fucked. And we were giving him time to like sleep during 01:11:35.140 --> 01:11:41.140 the day if he could and he ended up still just pulling through. 01:11:41.140 --> 01:11:54.180 Max, who got sick on Kill Day? 01:11:54.180 --> 01:11:55.420 Oh, Wall Life, I think. 01:11:55.420 --> 01:11:59.220 Yeah, Wall Life, we literally had to take a break because he was feeling ill, like while 01:11:59.220 --> 01:12:01.820 we're like potentially could lose at any moment. 01:12:01.820 --> 01:12:03.180 And obviously, I mean, you have to do that. 01:12:03.180 --> 01:12:09.180 I'm pretty sure he was very sick and still playing through that and playing really well. 01:12:09.180 --> 01:12:12.180 I'm pretty sure he topped it in the last phase. Or P3 maybe. 01:12:17.180 --> 01:12:22.180 Max, are you worried that Scott might brexit with the other Euro players he has recruited? 01:12:22.180 --> 01:12:26.180 Some new race role first drama faced with tears of joy emoji. 01:12:26.180 --> 01:12:30.180 But are you like, that sounds like an AI chat. There's no way you're real. 01:12:33.180 --> 01:12:43.180 Um, that cannot be a real question. 01:12:43.180 --> 01:12:49.900 Um, Max, I don't know much about the world first race, but would I balance Druid make 01:12:49.900 --> 01:12:52.100 the kill harder if you would replace a hunter? 01:12:52.100 --> 01:12:55.780 On that specific fight, yeah, because you need 200s marks in P3. 01:12:55.780 --> 01:12:59.460 Uh, I think balanced Druid is like, okay. 01:12:59.460 --> 01:13:06.620 I haven't actually looked at all boss statistics or anything, but definitely we were not ever 01:13:06.620 --> 01:13:10.060 considering playing balance this tier, except for maybe if dragons was hard. 01:13:10.060 --> 01:13:14.380 I think balance would have been quite good, but probably still not better than a lot of 01:13:14.380 --> 01:13:15.380 other things. 01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:20.620 We had our raid comp, our pre-raid raid comp on vanguards and dragons if we really needed 01:13:20.620 --> 01:13:21.900 boss damage. 01:13:21.900 --> 01:13:23.900 Had a lot of fucking hunters in it. 01:13:23.900 --> 01:13:27.300 I believe eight. 01:13:27.300 --> 01:13:33.600 If they made dragons hard, if they made vanguards hard, we would have played eight hunters. 01:13:33.600 --> 01:13:39.140 That's fucking insane. 01:13:39.140 --> 01:13:48.780 Mark Yargy, Trill, Splat, Shea, Wolf, Anarchy, seven, that's seven. 01:13:48.780 --> 01:13:53.180 I think we had one more, maybe it was seven. 01:13:53.180 --> 01:13:55.180 They were all like fully geared too. 01:14:03.860 --> 01:14:06.180 Max, are you overall happy with how this tier went? 01:14:06.180 --> 01:14:07.020 Yeah, we won. 01:14:19.660 --> 01:14:21.660 95th percentile, all bosses mythic. 01:14:21.660 --> 01:14:22.980 Wow, Devourer is way. 01:14:22.980 --> 01:14:26.940 I mean, Devour is sick, but this seems like a specific boss 01:14:26.940 --> 01:14:28.940 or something is taking them over the top. 01:14:34.120 --> 01:14:36.140 Yeah, this one makes sense. 01:14:36.140 --> 01:14:38.260 Dragons make sense. 01:14:38.260 --> 01:14:39.940 Vanguards make sense. 01:14:43.420 --> 01:14:45.860 Get out of the cosmos is a meme fight. 01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:47.300 Chimeras makes sense. 01:14:47.300 --> 01:14:49.420 Yeah, okay, yeah, it's just like, 01:14:49.420 --> 01:14:51.060 I mean, their single target isn't great though. 01:14:51.060 --> 01:14:56.060 Like their damage to bosses is, it's just, it's fine, right? 01:14:57.160 --> 01:14:58.720 It's not like super top tier, 01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:00.900 but they just do all of their damage, 01:15:00.900 --> 01:15:03.860 cleaves around the boss or a large part of it. 01:15:03.860 --> 01:15:05.740 And that's just a super broken niche. 01:15:05.740 --> 01:15:06.980 I tweeted about that today. 01:15:06.980 --> 01:15:08.340 There's gonna be a tier. 01:15:09.300 --> 01:15:11.500 There's not many specs where this is true. 01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:17.440 Where you could probably play more than four of one spec. 01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:20.220 Devour is a class that excels at its niche 01:15:20.220 --> 01:15:22.740 enough to potentially do that in the future. 01:15:22.740 --> 01:15:25.220 There are some classes like this. 01:15:25.220 --> 01:15:26.780 I guess it's technically true of any spec 01:15:26.780 --> 01:15:29.560 if they just happen to be doing like 10% more 01:15:29.560 --> 01:15:31.820 single target than any other class. 01:15:31.820 --> 01:15:34.460 But that's like pretty rare and can kind of happen to anyone. 01:15:34.460 --> 01:15:36.620 It's very rare actually that it ends up being true. 01:15:36.620 --> 01:15:38.780 Like I think most recently, the most reason that was true 01:15:38.780 --> 01:15:42.020 was Windwalker in Liberation of Undermine. 01:15:43.140 --> 01:15:45.100 But even AUG, like AUG gets weaker 01:15:45.100 --> 01:15:46.660 the more you bring of it, right? 01:15:46.660 --> 01:15:49.140 Cause you're starting to buff other AUG evokers, right? 01:15:49.140 --> 01:15:50.500 but it's still really good. 01:15:53.060 --> 01:15:55.340 But yeah, there's few classes like this. 01:15:55.340 --> 01:16:00.340 Some examples are probably Windwalker with PI right now 01:16:01.020 --> 01:16:03.080 if you had to do like a burn phase of something 01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:05.080 which was obviously relevant on Beloran. 01:16:06.140 --> 01:16:08.180 Frost DK with current tuning has like one 01:16:08.180 --> 01:16:10.140 of the best raid profile, or not with current tuning, 01:16:10.140 --> 01:16:11.580 but like has one of the best raid profiles 01:16:11.580 --> 01:16:12.940 with its current design. 01:16:12.940 --> 01:16:14.580 It's currently just tuned really low. 01:16:14.580 --> 01:16:17.500 Arms Warrior to target cleave is certainly powerful enough 01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:21.060 be in a position where you could stack a million of them marksmanship hunter 01:16:21.060 --> 01:16:26.900 obviously we literally did it this tier more on multiple encounters so they're 01:16:26.900 --> 01:16:30.940 they're up there with their current design I will also say unholy I feel like 01:16:30.940 --> 01:16:36.380 unholy is tankiness their inability to be moved they cannot be moved against 01:16:36.380 --> 01:16:41.420 their will they have insane mobility and their easiest fuck can play at 01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:49.020 range. I feel like melee classes like I guess Rep Paladins a little bit and then on Holy DK that 01:16:49.900 --> 01:16:55.260 can do most of their rotation away from their target is so much more broken than you think it is. 01:16:55.900 --> 01:17:00.140 Like as a melee, what makes a melee fight hard is you have to do all these mechanics, 01:17:00.140 --> 01:17:03.900 not every melee fight is hard but the ones that are hard is like it's challenging you to like 01:17:03.900 --> 01:17:09.580 maintain boss uptime while dodging things. Perfect example. Melee are way harder on 01:17:09.580 --> 01:17:16.320 on Lura, because it turns out seeing a glaive come through the boss' melee is a lot harder 01:17:16.320 --> 01:17:18.140 than range because you have less time to react to it. 01:17:18.140 --> 01:17:22.880 It ranges a lot easier because it's easy to dodge every glaive you see, but it's really 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:25.580 easy for glaives to come out of a direction you are not seeing, like the boss, which 01:17:25.580 --> 01:17:27.180 melee are right next to you. 01:17:27.180 --> 01:17:31.420 However, if you're like a good melee, what makes you good is your ability to do all 01:17:31.420 --> 01:17:33.220 those things while maintaining uptime. 01:17:33.220 --> 01:17:39.100 Do you know how much easier the game gets when your choice to live is like, oh, 01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:41.860 I actually can get off the boss and not lose damage. 01:17:41.860 --> 01:17:44.860 It's just, I'm just gonna make up a number, 01:17:44.860 --> 01:17:48.020 but like every mechanic is just like 30% easier or something 01:17:48.020 --> 01:17:50.860 because you just don't have to think or care about that. 01:17:56.060 --> 01:18:01.060 Max, why does your Raiders use bigwigs and not DBM? 01:18:01.100 --> 01:18:04.100 We work with bigwigs and we have a bigwigs developer 01:18:04.100 --> 01:18:06.420 that like creates custom timers for us in progression. 01:18:06.420 --> 01:18:08.180 Like we use Blizzard timers usually 01:18:08.180 --> 01:18:12.460 we first walk up to a boss. But then over time we like make our own versions of the 01:18:12.460 --> 01:18:17.620 timers so we can add our own timers, customize them however we want, and have some tech work 01:18:17.620 --> 01:18:20.580 off of them which you couldn't do with default blizzard timers. And we just do that with 01:18:20.580 --> 01:18:28.580 bigwigs. We actually used to do this with DBM, but we just use bigwigs now. Max, any 01:18:28.580 --> 01:18:34.340 thoughts on how China progressed this year? No. I have literally no idea what China 01:18:34.340 --> 01:18:40.660 doing it all. Although I did find it very funny that we started mythic splits on 01:18:40.660 --> 01:18:47.900 Chimeris on the second day of the first reset, and we killed Chimeris world first, 01:18:47.900 --> 01:18:51.500 which we said before the tier would be extremely unlikely for us to do that 01:18:51.500 --> 01:18:53.420 because someone could just go in there right away and kill it and we were 01:18:53.420 --> 01:18:57.820 going to do splits for a day. No one did. We go in on the second day and we 01:18:57.820 --> 01:19:03.020 get world first on Chimeris, and a Chinese guild gets world second on it 01:19:03.020 --> 01:19:08.940 within like 30 minutes. Everything is 15 minutes. And if we had just decided to start our splits and 01:19:08.940 --> 01:19:14.300 do a little bit more mythic plus starter splits a little later, or just do it in a different order, 01:19:14.300 --> 01:19:20.620 total random, right? The Chinese team, there's a bounty from net ease and like that's been 01:19:20.620 --> 01:19:25.100 accumulating over many years. And it's for them to get first in Hall of Fame. And they 01:19:25.100 --> 01:19:29.500 clarified before this race that it would count for any of these three raids. So like one of 01:19:29.500 --> 01:19:37.300 one of these Chinese guilds like Rush DreamRift to make around 200,000 US dollars equivalent. 01:19:37.300 --> 01:19:40.500 And we beat them by 15 minutes on accident. 01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:43.860 Bro, that's gotta feel so bad. 01:19:43.860 --> 01:19:47.400 They could have just let us know and we could have split that shit. 01:19:47.400 --> 01:19:49.060 Easily wait for 100k. 01:19:49.060 --> 01:19:50.060 All good. 01:19:50.060 --> 01:19:55.060 Who gives a fuck about DreamRift? 01:19:55.060 --> 01:20:03.980 Max, assuming I'm exile quits wow, do you think peekaboo could join Liquid and be an insane 01:20:03.980 --> 01:20:06.300 race world first player? 01:20:06.300 --> 01:20:11.020 I don't know how good peekaboo is at PvE, so I have literally no idea. 01:20:11.020 --> 01:20:15.300 But I like peekaboo, I've hung out with him in LA at a few parties, this has been many 01:20:15.300 --> 01:20:16.300 years now. 01:20:16.300 --> 01:20:23.460 But I think peekaboo is a fucking beast at PvP, so maybe he, I mean I would think 01:20:23.460 --> 01:20:29.980 peekaboo is a good enough gamer that if he ever like fully locked in on PBE and it was his favorite his like number one thing 01:20:31.980 --> 01:20:36.220 He probably is a good enough gamer to do this if you put enough time at it for sure 01:20:36.980 --> 01:20:39.620 Also, I feel like peekaboo would be a crazy vibe guy 01:20:41.900 --> 01:20:47.020 But yeah, so basically like when you're doing anything that's competitive at the at the highest level 01:20:47.020 --> 01:20:52.200 It's really really hard to do it at the very very highest level unless it's your number one thing 01:20:52.200 --> 01:20:58.200 It's actually usually why a lot of players end up falling off of race world first rosters as they get older 01:20:58.200 --> 01:21:02.360 And this is true across a lot of esports as well. It's not usually reaction time 01:21:02.360 --> 01:21:05.960 It's usually a passion gap like usually when you are at your best 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:10.820 This was your favorite thing in the world and you have to love it to be that good at it and care that much 01:21:10.820 --> 01:21:16.360 and then at some point you get older and maybe you have a girlfriend or a wife or a family or a child or 01:21:16.360 --> 01:21:23.600 Or maybe you just have moved on and other things are more important to you and at that point if you're e-sport or sport or whatever is 01:21:23.680 --> 01:21:30.200 Competitive enough you can't do it anymore because you are just simply going to get gapped by someone else who is more eager and more 01:21:30.200 --> 01:21:35.840 Driven and cares about that more than you do and you will not be as good as them. There's literally no fucking way 01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.000 it's just too hard to be that good at something and 01:21:40.680 --> 01:21:42.440 so like 01:21:42.440 --> 01:21:47.000 Like could peekaboo just join a race world first team right now and not give a fuck about it and be good enough 01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:53.560 No, but I do think he's seems like he's good enough to where if he were to like actually like really devote a ton of time to it 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:56.360 And if he came his number one thing he probably probably could yeah 01:21:56.360 --> 01:22:13.720 It is nice having people that are good at PvP in the guild though. 01:22:13.720 --> 01:22:18.720 We had to do a little bit of PvP for prep before Heroic Week, or I think maybe even at the 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:24.040 end of Heroic Week, and just if anyone's not like, man, I don't really like PvP, 01:22:24.040 --> 01:22:28.400 like throw him on a quick twos or threes team with Trill and just he just actually solos 01:22:28.400 --> 01:22:35.400 than the other team. It's so easy. 01:22:58.400 --> 01:23:06.400 Max, you have some YouTube chatter shitting on hockey. 01:23:06.400 --> 01:23:09.400 Okay, I don't care. 01:23:09.400 --> 01:23:12.400 Let's check YouTube chat. 01:23:12.400 --> 01:23:17.400 What's up? What's up, YouTube? 01:23:17.400 --> 01:23:21.400 Honk. Oh, dude, Guzzy's still here. 01:23:21.400 --> 01:23:23.400 Yeah, I haven't seen you all in a little bit. 01:23:23.400 --> 01:23:26.400 I barely have any chats open during the race. 01:23:26.400 --> 01:23:34.400 I mean, I have no chats open unless it's like an ad read or something, but yeah, what's up? 01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:36.400 We don't claim that guy. 01:23:36.400 --> 01:23:37.400 Yeah. 01:23:37.400 --> 01:23:39.400 Oh, one second. 01:23:39.400 --> 01:23:40.400 I'm getting a call. 01:23:56.400 --> 01:23:58.460 you 01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:28.460 you 01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:58.460 you 01:25:26.400 --> 01:25:28.460 you 01:25:56.400 --> 01:26:16.960 All righty, Max, sorry, that was the vet about Reptars lab results. 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:21.720 Long story short, he's a fucking beast, he's a healthy little boy. 01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:31.960 Is he good? Yeah, I mean, he's just like an annual, like, yeah, he's on. 01:26:44.360 --> 01:26:49.800 Max, why Ellie Shaman over Resto for the buff? Ellie didn't really have a good damage profile 01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:59.500 for this race. Ellie was good. Ellie had an absolutely horrible damage profile for fucking 01:26:59.500 --> 01:27:06.340 voidspire. It was terminal. The fact that the other Shaman specs were so bad that we 01:27:06.340 --> 01:27:15.180 played Ellie in voidspire is insane. But yeah, Restor Shaman wasn't really playable. 01:27:15.180 --> 01:27:19.900 This is the worst it's been in years, power-wise. 01:27:19.900 --> 01:27:22.780 Things designed is actually pretty cool. 01:27:22.780 --> 01:27:25.020 But yeah, I mean, Ellie was really, really good on Beloran, 01:27:25.020 --> 01:27:25.460 because they did. 01:27:25.460 --> 01:27:29.140 But yeah, I mean, Ellie's pure single target is great. 01:27:29.140 --> 01:27:30.780 I'm actually surprised to even see it down here. 01:27:30.780 --> 01:27:34.580 I would assume it's even higher than that. 01:27:34.580 --> 01:27:37.100 The problem is they just do no cleave all doing it, 01:27:37.100 --> 01:27:39.300 which is hard to compare. 01:27:45.180 --> 01:27:56.120 Any reasoning behind fired up switching to arcane the day before the kill? 01:27:56.120 --> 01:28:01.220 Yeah, touch of the magi sometimes on damage amps, which like the last phase of that boss, 01:28:01.220 --> 01:28:06.060 P3, like kinda is, it like double dips the damage amp because of the way touch of the 01:28:06.060 --> 01:28:07.780 magi works until they fix it. 01:28:07.780 --> 01:28:11.440 We had a feeling that that would work, we tried it, and then it did work. 01:28:11.440 --> 01:28:17.560 It was doing more damage on logs than Frost overall to boss damage. 01:28:17.720 --> 01:28:19.040 So that's why we did it. 01:28:20.080 --> 01:28:22.560 However, fired up said he was like, I kind of want to play frost. 01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:24.400 I feel like the damage isn't that different. 01:28:25.120 --> 01:28:30.240 And also it's a lot easier and I would play better. 01:28:30.320 --> 01:28:31.520 And I'm like, that makes sense. 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:31.840 Cool. 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.720 If you feel like it's a better choice than you do it. 01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:38.980 He went back frost and then our boss damage increased, even though he was 01:28:38.980 --> 01:28:42.100 doing less damage on logs to the boss than his arcane mage was. 01:28:44.980 --> 01:28:49.620 And my only theory as to why this could be the case is that the 01:28:49.620 --> 01:28:56.380 dormant theory is that maybe they're stealing Augs damage. 01:28:56.460 --> 01:28:57.100 Damage. 01:28:58.540 --> 01:29:01.780 Like when you look at a log with augmentation of ochre, they 01:29:01.780 --> 01:29:04.860 try to attribute a lot of the damage that classes are doing 01:29:04.860 --> 01:29:08.260 to Aug, but some classes steal damage from Aug and it's not 01:29:08.260 --> 01:29:13.620 perfectly logged. And I think that's what was happening. Because we were doing more damage 01:29:13.620 --> 01:29:21.700 with him playing a class that was doing less damage, which makes no sense. That's our 01:29:21.700 --> 01:29:27.780 only theory. Basically arcane mistake news on that boss. 01:29:38.500 --> 01:29:42.220 Max, what would it take for method to level up their game and become more even 01:29:42.220 --> 01:29:53.840 with that go. Did you get better? Could that have been attributed to swapping after having 01:29:53.840 --> 01:30:01.020 reps? No, I don't think so. Max, would you have played a Shatter Priest in the last boss 01:30:01.020 --> 01:30:06.620 so they could hit both bosses after they split in P3? Maybe? Shatter Priest is really 01:30:06.620 --> 01:30:11.280 good. It's just I don't think it's good for that boss. I also think a shadow 01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:18.000 priest with glaives and p1 would have felt very bad to play. Like really bad. 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:21.520 Actually so bad. 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:39.960 Max, do you think that pure DPS classes that lack RAID bus should be compensated by having 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:41.800 the highest DPS on paper? 01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:47.920 No, that's like a hard way to, that's a hard way to solve that, it's a bad way to 01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:55.880 solve that problem. I think every class should have a raid buff that makes you 01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:58.720 want to play one of them in a raid if we're gonna do this raid buff thing. My 01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.320 preference would be that there are no raid buffs and you could be more 01:31:01.320 --> 01:31:06.040 creative with your comps, but that's just not clearly not what we're doing and 01:31:06.040 --> 01:31:10.920 or ever gonna do. So I think there's actually a lot of issues with that. 01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:17.240 Like I actually currently hate what they do with DK. Their whole just dying 01:31:17.240 --> 01:31:22.120 on this hill that they won't just give them something that puts them in the raid. And then 01:31:22.120 --> 01:31:26.120 they're just like, okay, we're going to make it so you always need grips on the last boss, 01:31:26.120 --> 01:31:32.680 which is, they have done that, right? Like, you need a DK's on the both of the last two bosses. 01:31:32.680 --> 01:31:36.040 In fact, you could argue it's a double raid buff on that boss because you've always needed 01:31:36.040 --> 01:31:43.800 not even just one, but two of them. But it's only one boss. It doesn't have 01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:47.080 really any value in Mythic Plus, which is a major part of the game. 01:31:48.280 --> 01:31:51.540 And on top of that, here's what it means. 01:31:52.280 --> 01:31:55.880 So you're telling me every single end boss now is going to have some ads 01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:58.780 you group up on the boss and just get like some on boss cleave. 01:31:59.860 --> 01:32:02.160 That's how else how else are they going? 01:32:02.400 --> 01:32:04.360 It's the only way. Decades can be required. 01:32:04.360 --> 01:32:06.400 Isn't that going to get old? 01:32:06.400 --> 01:32:09.420 The same fucking bit every time we do an end boss. 01:32:09.560 --> 01:32:11.060 It's like, OK, some ads are spawning. 01:32:11.060 --> 01:32:12.100 Oh, you need a decay for this. 01:32:12.100 --> 01:32:13.100 Let's grip them under the boss. 01:32:13.100 --> 01:32:19.060 Like why why be so one-dimensional in your game design because you just have to die on this hill 01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:22.660 That they need to be gripping things specifically like I 01:32:23.500 --> 01:32:26.920 Can't get over how much I disagree with this decision 01:32:28.660 --> 01:32:30.780 But you know me it hasn't been the worst thing in the world 01:32:30.780 --> 01:32:33.540 I just think it's gonna get a lot more old than it is now and 01:32:34.900 --> 01:32:38.260 Pretty easy to do and then yeah, and then assess and then no assassination room 01:32:38.260 --> 01:32:39.620 But just rogue in general 01:32:39.620 --> 01:32:42.500 Has it was pretty interesting this year like they were tuned pretty poorly 01:32:43.100 --> 01:32:45.260 um 01:32:45.260 --> 01:32:47.260 I think they are getting buffed but 01:32:48.700 --> 01:32:52.940 Yeah, I don't know. I just feel like I feel like row was just in such a bad spot this tier 01:32:53.340 --> 01:32:55.980 And they got I mean, maybe their raid buff is gonna get buffed though 01:32:55.980 --> 01:33:01.260 Like you guys saw what happened last year hunter got sat for one boss not even 01:33:03.020 --> 01:33:05.020 Not even like 01:33:05.900 --> 01:33:08.940 For a long time it was sat on the world first and second kill 01:33:08.940 --> 01:33:15.700 And then it was in for every single other kill and not only were they in they were like the best class ever for that boss 01:33:16.180 --> 01:33:18.340 after p1 and p2 got nerfed so like and 01:33:19.500 --> 01:33:24.880 Then they got their raid buff buffed to an amount that is so insane that you need like another one anytime 01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:26.880 There's another target. It's so good and 01:33:27.780 --> 01:33:29.780 then rogues come into this tier and 01:33:30.100 --> 01:33:36.860 In the void spire all the hard bosses the damage like isn't attributed to the actual bosses, so it does nothing or 01:33:36.860 --> 01:33:43.520 Or they're just so poorly tuned that you couldn't bring them anyway and obviously yes, you could maybe solve it with the tuning 01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:46.580 We played a rogue on the last boss. We almost sat it on the last day by the way 01:33:47.340 --> 01:33:51.100 And their rate buff is really good like their rate buff when it works is 01:33:52.020 --> 01:33:54.500 insane like 3% passive DR to your rate is 01:33:55.460 --> 01:33:57.460 Extremely broken. It's so good 01:33:58.660 --> 01:34:02.700 And imagine how poorly you have to tune them for us not to want that or 01:34:02.700 --> 01:34:07.700 Or make your fight source all the damage from the environment so their raid buff just simply doesn't work. 01:34:07.700 --> 01:34:09.700 I don't know. 01:34:13.700 --> 01:34:16.700 Sitting Exile would have been so sad. Yeah, he's a beast. 01:34:18.700 --> 01:34:23.700 We have a lot of beasts though. If Exile's in, not in, it just means we have another beast. 01:34:32.700 --> 01:34:45.620 Um, having a rogue in for kicks and stops, yeah, but they don't really, you don't need 01:34:45.620 --> 01:34:51.980 like the way rogue stop things in BB. 01:34:51.980 --> 01:34:53.460 What does Nada do? 01:34:53.460 --> 01:34:59.020 Um, not, she, she, uh, she works with the players to make sure they have everything 01:34:59.020 --> 01:35:04.020 they need as far as like supplements, you know, vitamins, 01:35:04.020 --> 01:35:07.260 anytime you're not feeling well, you have a headache. 01:35:07.260 --> 01:35:11.020 Her job is to make our players feel good during the race. 01:35:12.060 --> 01:35:13.500 And she's really good at that. 01:35:14.900 --> 01:35:17.940 They love her, like she is so good with them. 01:35:17.940 --> 01:35:20.500 Like I think she really likes the team 01:35:20.500 --> 01:35:22.900 and they love, she's like so good at her job. 01:35:29.020 --> 01:35:46.800 Yeah, get the Korea team blast going. 01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.320 Why didn't you play Shadow Priest for any of the other bosses? 01:35:49.320 --> 01:35:50.320 We did. 01:35:50.320 --> 01:35:52.320 You played it on a leery, right 01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:06.680 Pretty sure 01:36:09.900 --> 01:36:15.780 Yeah, I got proof 01:36:20.320 --> 01:36:24.320 Max, why did PrezEvoker fall off for the last two bosses? 01:36:28.320 --> 01:36:33.320 I think part of it was like raid buff related. I mean, Evoker was definitely good. 01:36:33.320 --> 01:36:38.320 I mean, I think Evoker just, like, we were really high at Evoker going into the tier. 01:36:38.320 --> 01:36:42.320 We wanted to play like two of them, and then after Heroic Week they did get nerfed, 01:36:42.320 --> 01:36:47.320 but like they were also just like not quite as good as we thought. 01:36:47.320 --> 01:36:53.320 And I think they also lost their raid spot to Mistweaver because like Mistweaver was like way better than we thought it was going to be like 01:36:53.320 --> 01:36:56.920 Especially when that new Shailun build started like getting popular 01:36:57.920 --> 01:37:01.600 I think they just like kind of lost out to Mistweaver basically 01:37:05.560 --> 01:37:13.240 There's also like presa voker is good in very specific kind of fight designs like I don't think they're that good at like rot 01:37:13.240 --> 01:37:18.860 But they're really good when your whole raid is just getting like Chungus fucked every 20 seconds like this boss 01:37:18.980 --> 01:37:23.780 Like this boss present workers great for cuz just in P especially on heroic you just get 01:37:24.380 --> 01:37:27.960 You just get your whole raid just gets nuked every like 20 seconds 01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:33.440 They're just like the best healer at that, but that's not how a lot of bosses work, especially this tier 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:35.520 there's like a lot of a 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:37.640 there's a lot of 01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:42.360 Bosses that require like strong single target healing specifically that was a huge niche this raid 01:37:43.240 --> 01:37:56.040 Max, why do you think Echo was playing two resto druids for Lura until they swap the last 01:37:56.040 --> 01:37:59.040 day? 01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:02.480 Few theories, I think that probably the main one is that the hardest thing about that boss 01:38:02.480 --> 01:38:09.400 to heal is like keeping the seed players alive, and they're probably the best healer at 01:38:09.400 --> 01:38:13.320 that specifically like that amount of targets and just making sure they're all healthy. So 01:38:13.320 --> 01:38:21.160 it's probably good for that reason. Also having a second roar on that fight is quite good. 01:38:23.560 --> 01:38:28.200 As far as that, I'm not sure. I mean, we were off of double Resto. We liked the single. 01:38:30.120 --> 01:38:33.560 We had the ability to run it. We just thought Monk was better. Also, Resto does no damage. 01:38:34.120 --> 01:38:37.720 I really wish healer damage wasn't as much of a consideration as it is. 01:38:39.400 --> 01:38:51.800 Max's Resterger would actually good for high tier raiding. Yeah, I mean it's really good 01:38:51.800 --> 01:39:00.360 on the hardest boss this year so yeah. Whose idea was it to run the bear? We were trying 01:39:00.360 --> 01:39:03.400 to swap in some more boss damage and we were trying to figure out what the best way 01:39:03.400 --> 01:39:09.400 to do that was, we could have played disc, but we were like, I don't know, that just sounds, 01:39:09.400 --> 01:39:12.680 it's like a worse healer for the fight, and like that's definitely something that could 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:17.080 maybe cost some relearning, and then we were like, well, like, what if we dropped a DK, 01:39:17.080 --> 01:39:20.440 blood DK for Guardian, and then we're like, well, then we'd have to bring another on Holy DK, 01:39:20.440 --> 01:39:24.760 and then that's someone being 400 pulls deep on this boss, and having to like learn it. 01:39:25.480 --> 01:39:28.600 And that's like, not good. It's like, what can we do with our current comp? 01:39:28.600 --> 01:39:31.800 And Yipz was like, I'm confident I can make Guardian work. 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:35.880 And we were like, are you sure he's like, yeah, I can do it. 01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:38.840 I will Astro fuck the boss and the ads and P1s. 01:39:40.880 --> 01:39:43.000 And also, I think we can make this grouping work. 01:39:43.000 --> 01:39:46.240 And then and then I took some time to like figure out how the grouping would work. 01:39:46.240 --> 01:39:48.960 I assigned a misweaver with ring of peace to each side. 01:39:48.960 --> 01:39:51.120 I assigned a knocked each side. 01:39:51.120 --> 01:39:54.000 And we only gripped the four far ones and knocked everything else in. 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:56.840 And I thought it was going to be a big regression point, 01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:59.520 but it actually was just a complete joke. 01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:02.160 It was actually easier than 3D case gripping. 01:40:03.240 --> 01:40:04.800 There's also more people involved too, 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:06.040 but I mean, it was just easier. 01:40:06.040 --> 01:40:08.080 And then yeah, he absolutely fucked the boss. 01:40:08.080 --> 01:40:12.200 And on his very first pull on a new class on that fight, 01:40:12.200 --> 01:40:14.520 we had an everyone alive P4 pull, 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:17.480 including, let me find this. 01:40:17.480 --> 01:40:21.800 Can I find this on our Vod review tool probably? 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:22.640 One second. 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:38.640 Yip had an insane fucking play. And I want to show you it. If I can, where the fuck is the Vodderview tool and channel? Here it is. 01:40:38.640 --> 01:40:51.640 So I'd have to go to recent fights and I'd have to find the pull that we first played Guardian. 01:40:51.640 --> 01:40:56.640 You guys remember when we swapped Guardian? I mean it was a P4 pull, was it this pull? 01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:07.560 was it this pole? So this is, he's on, this is a farm. What about the pole right 01:41:07.560 --> 01:41:15.200 before this? Was he on DK? No, that's a, this is a farm pole. Okay, where, when did 01:41:15.200 --> 01:41:26.120 we swap in DK? Was it here? I think that looks, yes, he's on DK. Okay, we 01:41:26.120 --> 01:41:37.880 We have maybe 11 a.m., but this was the previous night, so. 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:40.800 Why did Yipz look sad after the boss died? 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:50.720 I think Yipz has just been like, when we hit the secret phase and the boss didn't die, 01:41:50.720 --> 01:41:55.440 it took a lot out of a lot of people and I think Yipz even pretty vocally was like 01:41:55.440 --> 01:41:58.520 ready for this shit to be over. 01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:01.040 It's been a long, like basically two months 01:42:01.040 --> 01:42:03.320 of playing way too much WoW to prepare for this. 01:42:07.000 --> 01:42:09.080 Yeah, vibes were absolutely slaughtered by people. 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:15.480 OK, so I just checked these. 01:42:15.480 --> 01:42:17.480 I remember it happened after a break. 01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:24.160 Was it not this poll? 01:42:25.440 --> 01:42:35.960 I mean, I know he's here, but like, maybe it was this, still there, okay, we're narrowing 01:42:35.960 --> 01:42:45.360 it down. 01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:46.360 Here it is. 01:42:46.360 --> 01:42:47.360 Okay. 01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:49.680 It is this poll though. 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:50.680 All right. 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:53.120 Check this out. 01:42:53.120 --> 01:42:58.940 I hope this is when it actually happens, it's after it's during the gateway and he doesn't 01:42:58.940 --> 01:43:03.560 have a gateway control shard or like it got unbound on this character because he just logged 01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:07.680 over and like he has a million different druids and actually I don't even think he didn't 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:12.200 have it bound but for whatever reason he just like couldn't click the gateway and was 01:43:12.200 --> 01:43:18.320 like we were gonna wait because of this here it is here it is this is his first fucking 01:43:18.320 --> 01:43:24.720 pull on Guardian on this boss. We're about to hit the last phase. He's hitting the boss, 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:29.120 he's like, guys, I can't grip, can someone rescue me, rescue me, rescue me. Any fucking 01:43:29.120 --> 01:43:37.240 wild charge grips himself. He shifts out of bear form during a boss, during the boss like 01:43:37.240 --> 01:43:44.260 casting something in between melees and wild charges to the fucking group goes back 01:43:44.260 --> 01:43:49.220 Black Bear doesn't get one shot and saves the whole fucking pole. 01:43:49.220 --> 01:43:51.660 Jesus Christ. 01:43:51.660 --> 01:43:53.780 I don't think you guys understand how insane that is. 01:43:53.780 --> 01:44:01.780 That is like fucking crazy that he did that. 01:44:01.780 --> 01:44:02.180 Complete beast. 01:44:14.260 --> 01:44:36.380 I really like the circle adjustment spread in P3, yeah. 01:44:36.380 --> 01:44:39.660 I did admit the close of the Ips before he joined Liquid, he's the best tank in the world. 01:44:39.660 --> 01:44:42.420 Would not surprise me that's true, but no none of us would make that 01:44:44.900 --> 01:44:46.300 Like 01:44:46.300 --> 01:44:50.420 Claim about anyone because it's just a ridiculous you unless you play with all the best players 01:44:50.420 --> 01:44:54.160 How could you ever say that but I mean it would it would surprise me if anyone was better than him? Yeah 01:45:02.500 --> 01:45:06.380 Max I'm dumb. How did you guys know where the constellations were going to be in phase three? 01:45:06.380 --> 01:45:15.160 You don't necessarily know, they're a little RNG, but there's ways you can combat the RNG 01:45:15.160 --> 01:45:18.240 slightly, so pre-spread. 01:45:18.240 --> 01:45:24.200 When you're in this phase, we found out specifically the boss's positioning once you were here. 01:45:24.200 --> 01:45:28.040 By putting these two bosses in these certain positions, you could not get the other—like 01:45:28.040 --> 01:45:31.880 basically the constellation goes on one side at a time, but if your positioning is 01:45:31.880 --> 01:45:34.720 too close, the other side can kind of get your constellation. 01:45:34.720 --> 01:45:38.080 A constellation can only spawn in a few spots in the room. 01:45:38.080 --> 01:45:41.000 Like the other group specifically, like Yip's group, 01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.160 they learned this. 01:45:43.160 --> 01:45:46.320 Jernacko's PUV, I think, shows this. 01:45:46.320 --> 01:45:49.000 Early in progression, he was getting fucked by his position. 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:55.920 Basically, his old spread spot used to be, let me keep 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:59.000 backing it up here, right beginning of the phase. 01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:04.000 Right here. 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:09.640 his spot here, but until we made some boss position adjustments, he was like getting hit 01:46:09.640 --> 01:46:15.760 by these glaives all the time or these constellations. But we like made a small movement to where 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:19.240 like these can no longer spawn on him. And it was purely because like it has to pick 01:46:19.240 --> 01:46:24.480 between a certain amount of players in an area for a side. And if there's too many 01:46:24.480 --> 01:46:28.560 people close together, like does it like at the end of this phase and the and the 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:31.400 very beginning of it, it was like causing a lot of inconsistency because you're 01:46:31.400 --> 01:46:36.520 You're basically dealing with more constellations than you should. 01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:39.000 Max showing off how useful the liquid armor is. 01:46:39.000 --> 01:46:40.920 Yep, yep, yep. 01:46:40.920 --> 01:46:46.480 Yeah, this is a public site when I'm using it right now. 01:46:46.480 --> 01:46:50.080 You can have access to this immediately. 01:46:50.080 --> 01:46:59.880 I want to watch Echoes kill. 01:46:59.880 --> 01:47:06.880 Let's see. 01:47:06.880 --> 01:47:24.600 Does anyone else find it really hard to go to past VODs on Echo's channel and the Team 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:28.200 Liquid channel because they're all like two days long and like you don't know when the 01:47:28.200 --> 01:47:33.800 rebroadcast starts or when it does I don't know it's so annoying 01:47:39.720 --> 01:47:43.800 it is flakes we can do this throughout the race yes you can 01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:47.800 it's uh it's 01:47:50.120 --> 01:47:54.600 your partner and especially to everyone 01:47:55.360 --> 01:47:59.660 What is this okay, so this is not they're just like playing memes 01:48:06.760 --> 01:48:12.720 What is this 484, okay, this looks like great token and stars under you now watch the stars 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.560 Yeah, after the beams, it's tight timing. We need to meet each other 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:23.800 484 pulls 487 before you nine how many pulls they eventually killed him 01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:37.960 We'll watch all of P3 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:48.720 So then go between the marks. You're not allowed to co-stream echo east-worth rocket. Yeah, but it's a bad 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:53.120 Yeah, bro, they specifically were like stop watching this kid 01:48:56.960 --> 01:49:02.160 Dropping into one drop in so pick it up 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:07.640 Dropping middle in to one drop the spread 01:49:07.640 --> 01:49:17.460 pick it up when it's a clean spread pick it up drop in middle in two one drop the 01:49:17.460 --> 01:49:23.540 spread oh does he not do a seed so who they have you see it's oh they have 01:49:23.540 --> 01:49:27.660 double evoker instead of mage yeah that makes sense we basically had fired up 01:49:27.660 --> 01:49:30.020 doing it from the beginning of progression and even though they're not 01:49:30.020 --> 01:49:36.980 as tanky as a voker we had like our other evoker try it after many pulls of 01:49:36.980 --> 01:49:42.500 not doing it, and I was just, I just didn't think it would make sense for him to hold 01:49:42.500 --> 01:49:43.500 the seed. 01:49:43.500 --> 01:49:47.660 Basically, if we started at pull one with the evoker doing it, I think it would have 01:49:47.660 --> 01:49:52.460 maybe made sense, but also I just kind of trusted fire to be good with it. 01:49:52.460 --> 01:49:57.420 I feel like on a boss like this, where if any of these people die, your pull is over. 01:49:57.420 --> 01:50:00.620 Yes, you kind of want to put it on the right classes, but it also at the same time 01:50:00.620 --> 01:50:05.740 you want to make sure that they're never going to go off, so usually like early 01:50:05.740 --> 01:50:11.260 in progression I will default to you know players that I think will do really good at that and then 01:50:11.260 --> 01:50:14.300 over time it's like okay it would actually be a lot easier to heal if it was on this person and then 01:50:14.300 --> 01:50:18.380 we tried it and even though they didn't get enough of a chance to really get good at it it was just 01:50:18.380 --> 01:50:21.340 like we're too far we're too far into it. Go in front. 01:50:26.140 --> 01:50:30.620 Personals and why do they not spread around oh yeah that makes sense with the bosses. 01:50:30.620 --> 01:50:32.620 I don't know if that's starting in one. 01:50:32.620 --> 01:50:33.620 I don't know if that's spreading. 01:50:33.620 --> 01:50:37.860 And personals in two, one, personals. 01:50:37.860 --> 01:50:39.420 So this is like all the seed groups. 01:50:39.420 --> 01:50:41.520 Yeah, they're in like an exact triangle. 01:50:43.440 --> 01:50:44.280 And go so. 01:50:51.280 --> 01:50:55.540 Great damage in three, two, one, splitting up. 01:51:25.540 --> 01:51:29.380 Some kind of logic where like a large area around the boss is always open. 01:51:29.380 --> 01:51:31.700 I don't know exactly how that works. 01:51:31.700 --> 01:51:36.420 Like this mechanic I think is significantly harder for range than it is for melee. 01:51:36.420 --> 01:51:37.940 I don't know why that's always the case. 01:51:37.940 --> 01:51:40.340 Like next to the boss is always just this massive space. 01:51:55.540 --> 01:51:59.540 You think Havoc will be taking in the raid? 01:51:59.540 --> 01:52:02.540 Yeah, Havoc's fine. 01:52:02.540 --> 01:52:09.540 Triangle Cervo into Tx, Star, and Mark Spredford. 01:52:09.540 --> 01:52:11.540 Triangle Cervo to Velo. 01:52:11.540 --> 01:52:13.540 Yeah, you spawned. 01:52:13.540 --> 01:52:15.540 We will go next. 01:52:15.540 --> 01:52:20.540 Now we have time to Tx, Keep Soaking, and Diamond. 01:52:20.540 --> 01:52:22.540 Good. 01:52:52.540 --> 01:52:58.760 pattern. You definitely learn to get better at it, but basically, yeah, let's let's get 01:52:58.760 --> 01:53:00.800 a set before they come out. 01:53:00.800 --> 01:53:04.920 Spawning between the corner and stars under you now, star. 01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:09.200 Alright, so basically, any of them that are super close to each other, like drawing 01:53:09.200 --> 01:53:17.960 a line here, anything like this are at least a possibility to connect and some of them 01:53:17.960 --> 01:53:28.760 are guaranteed. Same here, can also make triangles this, that, that, that, that, and then probably 01:53:28.760 --> 01:53:35.120 this. And then it should, it should look something like this, but not everything will be there. 01:53:35.120 --> 01:53:40.160 Just like maybe, maybe this part isn't here. But like you know that if like something 01:53:40.160 --> 01:53:45.520 is all the red lines here, like this is too far for them to connect. This is too 01:53:45.520 --> 01:53:52.000 far for them to connect this is too far for them to connect uh oh yeah this one can also connect here 01:53:52.960 --> 01:53:56.800 uh and i'll remove all this bullshit from my screen but you just get used to knowing that like 01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:03.760 basically you could instantly die if you're in any small area and the lines also never cross yeah 01:54:03.760 --> 01:54:12.160 exactly oh i didn't even see that last one was why did i not see that last one was it like 01:54:12.160 --> 01:54:13.360 Was it under a... 01:54:13.360 --> 01:54:17.440 Spawning between the corner and stars under you now, star. 01:54:17.440 --> 01:54:20.880 Oh, yeah. Dude, who knows? He could have like a debuff over his head. 01:54:20.880 --> 01:54:22.880 There's probably one directly under this thing. 01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:25.840 But also, yeah, I just missed that one. 01:54:25.840 --> 01:54:28.640 But also, it's kind of like not as visually clear, right? 01:54:28.640 --> 01:54:30.640 Like under the boss's hitbox, it's... 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:34.720 This purple circle right here is not... 01:54:34.720 --> 01:54:37.760 Like, you see how it is like more visually distinct than this? 01:54:37.760 --> 01:54:39.760 Like, this is the same purple circle right here. 01:54:39.760 --> 01:54:45.220 But it's like clearly harder to see over a purple boss. Yeah, also if you're top-down 01:54:46.100 --> 01:54:51.060 Many clips of someone standing in a lights fire and then like this exact soak like right here 01:54:51.060 --> 01:54:55.240 We'll just be directly under this thing and it's yeah visual clarity on this boss was a major issue 01:54:59.080 --> 01:55:02.560 So next other team stars might touch us but it's 01:55:05.380 --> 01:55:08.620 It pisses me off that they don't just use more of these colors 01:55:08.620 --> 01:55:10.500 I mean 01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:16.740 They don't want it to look like a wild star boss or like a final fantasy boss with reticles where like like reticles 01:55:16.740 --> 01:55:21.320 They think are really ugly. I also can kind of get behind that like I kind of fuck with reticles when I play those games 01:55:21.320 --> 01:55:23.320 but like I don't know 01:55:24.040 --> 01:55:29.260 Like there's two parts like I'm super gameplay focused. So all I care about is 01:55:30.400 --> 01:55:35.880 Like how the game feels to play right on in any game. I don't care about lore 01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:41.600 I don't care how the game looks at all zero. Okay. I think graphics can make a good game great 01:55:41.600 --> 01:55:43.600 But it can never make a bad game good 01:55:43.800 --> 01:55:48.840 They are they are there to enhance, but they are not like a major fundamental thing. I am 01:55:49.360 --> 01:55:55.360 Pretty alone in that like I know most like you'd be surprised how many gamers like graphics are literally everything and like 01:55:55.800 --> 01:56:02.040 Like looking at the way the boss looks like this is a I don't know. I was gonna this is like a a 01:56:03.320 --> 01:56:04.560 a 01:56:04.560 --> 01:56:09.160 Wind chime and I don't know what wind chimes normally do but like this one does a lot of void stuff 01:56:09.160 --> 01:56:13.200 So it clearly needs to be looking super epic and voidy and like yes, not everything is 01:56:13.720 --> 01:56:20.360 Clear but like they're not gonna make this guy randomly just do like green mechanics because it's easier to see like there's some kind of balance as a 01:56:20.360 --> 01:56:23.300 Game designer where you want your game to look great and look thematic for the boss 01:56:23.300 --> 01:56:25.280 It's just for me personally. I don't care about that 01:56:25.280 --> 01:56:30.380 So it always bugs me when things aren't like purely for gameplay, but I know that I'm kind of alone there 01:56:35.560 --> 01:56:38.120 Like this heaven and hell door this glass vase looks insane 01:56:38.120 --> 01:56:42.680 Look at these little the dogs coming out of the boss and then this heaven and hell shit like 01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:48.800 Looks fucking crazy, right? It's like oh, would it be technically easier to see this thing if it was bright pink? 01:56:49.240 --> 01:56:51.880 Like yeah, but like what are we doing here? You know? 01:56:52.720 --> 01:56:58.620 That now that is just talking about like the colors of everything visual clarity this race 01:56:59.040 --> 01:57:01.240 Was a major problem regardless of that 01:57:01.240 --> 01:57:04.860 It's I actually don't understand how we went and took such a step back 01:57:05.440 --> 01:57:06.600 from 01:57:06.600 --> 01:57:09.800 The last two raids where that was like a big emphasis. It was great 01:57:10.200 --> 01:57:14.960 In the whole game as well like mythic plus everything and now it seems like we just kind of forgot about that 01:57:20.440 --> 01:57:22.800 Oh one thing I found interesting I heard 01:57:23.680 --> 01:57:29.520 A clip of sprite saying after the tears now. I saw this earlier in the encounter. I'm gonna rewind it 01:57:29.520 --> 01:57:34.440 he was watching someone's POV or the Echo broadcast was showing a POV of someone 01:57:34.440 --> 01:57:42.040 who had like the ability to click things on their frames. Was it in P1? No. Okay but 01:57:42.040 --> 01:57:51.360 for this memory game he said that an analyst was outside the raid and doing 01:57:51.360 --> 01:57:55.080 this memory game and you can do this by having like all the healer POVs up 01:57:55.080 --> 01:57:59.080 and the tank POV up because you know that through those you will see all 01:57:59.080 --> 01:58:03.000 five marks. I didn't know they were doing that at all. We talked about doing that. 01:58:07.080 --> 01:58:12.440 We talked about doing it. But it was like, dude, you have to have someone who's not me, 01:58:12.440 --> 01:58:16.920 like strapped to their chair for every single poll. And if they're ever like not there, 01:58:17.640 --> 01:58:23.240 there's just everyone wipes and you just a poll's over. Like I feel like that's so hard to do. 01:58:23.240 --> 01:58:33.080 you. And we just had our players do it. We had, so the way the mechanic works in P1 is 01:58:33.080 --> 01:58:37.940 the tanks never get sent downstairs and you see two marks upstairs. Okay, so a tank is 01:58:37.940 --> 01:58:44.600 always 1-4. Tank is always 1, tank is always 4. And the healers get sent downstairs 01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:49.600 And one of the healers will get this and this, 01:58:50.400 --> 01:58:53.520 and the other one gets this. 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:55.720 So if you just see those classes, it's fine, 01:58:55.720 --> 01:58:57.280 and we just had our healers and tanks do it. 01:58:57.280 --> 01:58:58.560 Also another smart thing you can do 01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:02.880 is like give your healers the seeds in P1, 01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:05.640 and then it's impossible for them to go down, 01:59:05.640 --> 01:59:07.160 or you give two of your healers seeds, 01:59:07.160 --> 01:59:09.360 so the same two healers are now doing 01:59:09.360 --> 01:59:11.200 the memory game all of progression 01:59:11.200 --> 01:59:12.960 to create consistency. 01:59:12.960 --> 01:59:14.000 That was really smart. 01:59:14.000 --> 01:59:15.240 I think they were doing that initially 01:59:15.240 --> 01:59:17.360 and their progression eventually moved off. 01:59:17.360 --> 01:59:19.200 Also another strat I thought about 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:23.320 that we didn't utilize, but I think is really smart. 01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:26.480 You guys are doing this boss in the future. 01:59:26.480 --> 01:59:27.600 You might wanna consider this. 01:59:27.600 --> 01:59:30.320 One of the main white conditions is this. 01:59:30.320 --> 01:59:31.680 Sorry, I don't know why this ended up 01:59:31.680 --> 01:59:32.920 being a TED talk about this boss. 01:59:32.920 --> 01:59:34.920 We'll watch them kill it in a second, but. 01:59:36.160 --> 01:59:38.040 That's a bad example. 01:59:38.040 --> 01:59:39.560 Let's watch the third set. 01:59:39.560 --> 01:59:40.500 Okay, so. 01:59:42.160 --> 01:59:43.400 Oh, wait, now we're watching a PV 01:59:43.400 --> 01:59:45.280 if someone downstairs, that's why we don't see it. 01:59:45.280 --> 01:59:47.880 Or maybe you see the seeds hit the ground downstairs? 01:59:55.200 --> 01:59:56.040 Let's see. 01:59:58.120 --> 02:00:00.000 No, shit, I need to pee, oh, fuck. 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.640 Okay, you know what, let me show you RPV, 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:03.960 just for this point. 02:00:06.200 --> 02:00:08.640 Fired up, always sees this, cause he never goes down. 02:00:13.400 --> 02:00:19.160 And it's from the beginning of the phase to one now so right now 02:00:19.480 --> 02:00:22.000 So do you see how these guys put their crystals down? 02:00:22.400 --> 02:00:30.440 If you get hit by this beam with this mark you take shadow damage and you make these tears spawn soaks if you don't 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:36.160 And if this thing hits this on the ground or this gets hit by a glaive 02:00:36.240 --> 02:00:41.840 Everyone instantly dies these caused a lot of wipes because turns out doing this later in the fight. Let me show you 02:00:41.840 --> 02:00:51.280 like later in P3, it's like insanely fucking hard to drop these and not have them get hit by 02:00:51.280 --> 02:00:54.160 glades because you know sometimes there's a hundred glades running. This is like this, 02:00:54.160 --> 02:01:00.920 this took a lot of learning to learn how to do this, right? But what you could do is like, 02:01:00.920 --> 02:01:06.880 okay so basically how this works is if you don't have a seed, you are eligible to be 02:01:06.880 --> 02:01:07.880 We send downstairs. 02:01:07.880 --> 02:01:12.040 And on the second, on the third set, because you have six seeds, actually the second and 02:01:12.040 --> 02:01:16.200 the third set, all the seed people are upstairs and everyone on the raid that is on a tank 02:01:16.200 --> 02:01:20.840 and a healer, except for two healers, go to the other realms. 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:31.200 What you could do is basically never have the seed people have to learn how to do this 02:01:31.200 --> 02:01:33.840 drop because it's so dangerous. 02:01:33.840 --> 02:01:38.260 a seed person just dodge glaives and not have to do the memory game mechanic would have created 02:01:38.260 --> 02:01:43.120 consistency. So I think maybe what you would do is you would have, I kind of am kicking 02:01:43.120 --> 02:01:47.960 myself that we didn't do this in progression. Maybe it's bad, but at least I think it's 02:01:47.960 --> 02:01:51.400 a good idea. Like let's say you have the boss here, you're doing a memory game, and 02:01:51.400 --> 02:01:57.320 then all five seed people, right as the memory game starts, they drop their seed. 02:01:57.320 --> 02:02:01.080 Everyone says dropping seed in three, two, one. All those players move in, you 02:02:01.080 --> 02:02:07.720 drop all five seeds on the ground. And then if you don't have memory game, which I think a few 02:02:07.720 --> 02:02:15.880 people in the raid will not, including tanks, you pick it up. So basically, you turn a mechanic 02:02:15.880 --> 02:02:22.440 where one person will still have to hold it. But if you do a synchronized drop and everyone's 02:02:22.440 --> 02:02:26.440 right next to it, and you just know that you pick it up, if you don't get memory game, you 02:02:26.440 --> 02:02:31.300 eliminate this entire wipe condition. You also present a new wipe condition of dropping 02:02:31.300 --> 02:02:35.040 the seeds and having to learn that whole thing, which is like a little harder than just trusting 02:02:35.040 --> 02:02:39.880 everyone with it. But then no one has to learn how to do this, which is get hit by their 02:02:39.880 --> 02:02:43.480 thing, not hold the thing when it hits you and drop it specifically around this 02:02:43.480 --> 02:02:47.000 glave, get hit and then pick it back up again, which is the hardest part of the 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:51.640 phase. And you could come, you could completely ignore this. And then you could just 02:02:51.640 --> 02:02:56.020 have the same people that picked it up, hold it until the next one, and then do 02:02:56.020 --> 02:03:01.120 another drop and repeat this process to just create a scenario where no one is 02:03:01.120 --> 02:03:05.160 actually doing the hardest mechanic of the phase. You add more people learning 02:03:05.160 --> 02:03:07.960 how to play with seeds? No, you don't, because learning how to play with seeds 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:13.880 is doing this. In this other strat, no one has to ever do that. Unless you 02:03:13.880 --> 02:03:16.800 mean playing with seeds, meaning you're literally just have a seed on you 02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:20.320 and if you get hit, you die, but that doesn't change how you play at 02:03:20.320 --> 02:03:24.780 If you're a regular player and you see this glaive it turns out you really don't want to get hit by it 02:03:24.780 --> 02:03:28.540 But if you're a player with a seed you still really don't want to get hit by it 02:03:28.540 --> 02:03:32.040 It doesn't change anything about how you play you don't have to play with a seed at all 02:03:32.040 --> 02:03:35.900 You before the intermission you would just put the seeds back on the people that are doing it in the intermission 02:03:36.380 --> 02:03:40.680 Or in P2 or whatever right but in P1. I think this would have saved a lot of wipes 02:03:41.980 --> 02:03:47.020 And I am kind of sad that we did not think of it until right now 02:03:47.980 --> 02:03:49.980 perfect example by the way of 02:03:50.320 --> 02:03:54.600 You guys in your guild may be doing something that the race world first guilds didn't do and it might be really good for you 02:03:54.600 --> 02:03:59.320 But also the if we're being realistic that time that whenever you a lot of you guys get to this boss 02:04:00.600 --> 02:04:05.880 This this little wind chime is going to look absolutely nothing close to what this boss is right now 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:09.840 It's going to get absolutely turbo nuked 02:04:11.120 --> 02:04:13.120 Okay 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:15.640 Let's watch their kill now 02:04:20.320 --> 02:04:28.940 Um, Max, any thoughts on in P4 having the blazes go front to back? 02:04:28.940 --> 02:04:30.440 Yeah, they swapped to that. 02:04:30.440 --> 02:04:32.640 I don't know why. 02:04:32.640 --> 02:04:39.080 Left or right seemed to chill, and front to back seems the same. 02:04:39.080 --> 02:04:43.260 Maybe the thought is, like in the last phases, when the beasts come out, like maybe if you're 02:04:43.260 --> 02:04:46.280 moving left to right, you have to think about a beast coming at you. 02:04:46.280 --> 02:04:48.280 Oh, I, here's why. 02:04:48.280 --> 02:04:52.280 If you're like sitting here and these debuffs are coming out, let's rewind it like 5 seconds. 02:04:52.280 --> 02:04:55.800 I'll wait until an ad runs down. 02:04:55.800 --> 02:05:00.520 Okay, so this is the pile of ads that they use the extra action button on. 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:04.560 But if you're running to the back first and then the front and then the back, the back 02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:06.760 is away from all animals because they will be soaked. 02:05:06.760 --> 02:05:10.520 The front is most likely being intentionally cleared by one of the tanks if there's 02:05:10.520 --> 02:05:14.920 ever like a lone one like right here. 02:05:14.920 --> 02:05:18.960 And maybe that's just more safe than over here, because like over here no one's clearing. 02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.800 Why would you ever clear an ad that's coming like this? 02:05:21.800 --> 02:05:24.360 Why would you ever clear an ad that's doing this? 02:05:24.360 --> 02:05:25.360 You wouldn't. 02:05:25.360 --> 02:05:29.360 So it's like more dangerous, I guess, for deaths where front and back is like, we need 02:05:29.360 --> 02:05:32.320 to keep this line right here safe anyway. 02:05:32.320 --> 02:05:35.920 If anything comes to this line, it's going to one shot someone unless it's soaked. 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:39.920 So if you commit to soaking anything that's going to show up in this line, then now 02:05:39.920 --> 02:05:47.520 Now the two safest spots should be, you know, one, two, and then three, right? 02:05:47.520 --> 02:05:49.360 I think that's probably why they did it. 02:05:49.360 --> 02:05:54.200 Just trying to problem solve that in my head right now, but we did left, right, left, and 02:05:54.200 --> 02:05:55.600 we won, so that's better. 02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:58.680 But also we stole that from them when we woke up, so it's, I mean, it was just 02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:00.680 their original strategy. 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:02.680 Keep running. 02:06:02.680 --> 02:06:04.680 Keep running. 02:06:04.680 --> 02:06:06.680 Biggest stacking in the run. 02:06:06.680 --> 02:06:08.680 Biggest stack in the run. 02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:10.680 And we're going anywhere in the back. 02:06:10.680 --> 02:06:12.680 Front. 02:06:12.680 --> 02:06:14.680 Back. 02:06:14.680 --> 02:06:16.680 Don't shoot us. 02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:18.680 Oh, they got such easy star splinters. 02:06:18.680 --> 02:06:20.680 Running. 02:06:20.680 --> 02:06:22.680 Wait, oh, they don't immune clear. 02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:24.680 I think maybe that was a really nice optimization for us. 02:06:24.680 --> 02:06:26.680 Have you noticed on our kill, on all three runs, 02:06:26.680 --> 02:06:28.680 we have an immunity in front of the ground. 02:06:28.680 --> 02:06:32.160 three runs we have an immunity in front of the group clearing the ads so there's 02:06:32.160 --> 02:06:37.200 no like side stepping like you see here how they like kind of sidestep as they're 02:06:37.200 --> 02:06:41.200 moving like especially early 02:06:41.200 --> 02:06:48.580 well this one's actually super fucking clean but the next one I think they 02:06:48.580 --> 02:06:55.160 stutter like here now you're running and it's like oh you're stopping you're 02:06:55.160 --> 02:06:58.920 Stopping wait wait wait everyone wait. It's like it's like it's really hectic 02:06:59.360 --> 02:07:03.880 But if you like have someone immune so because just like no one's thinking but also they're doing less damage, right? 02:07:03.880 --> 02:07:06.240 And like I guess there's a check running 02:07:08.360 --> 02:07:13.160 It picks a stack in two one pixel stack and 02:07:15.200 --> 02:07:22.480 Yeah, realistically if you don't kill the entire raid with these dude their splinters are pissed running actual piss splinters 02:07:25.160 --> 02:07:27.160 Best RNG of all time. 02:07:28.880 --> 02:07:31.380 Fixer stacking in two, one. 02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:37.260 And at this point, at this point to be honest, I think the boss is like Astro dead. You'd have to... 02:07:38.360 --> 02:07:45.280 I mean, you could kill half of your raid at this point with the first splinter and you would still kill it. 02:07:45.280 --> 02:07:49.440 In the back, do not shoot us back from... don't shoot us. 02:07:50.120 --> 02:07:52.120 Communioning now, and... 02:07:52.760 --> 02:07:54.760 Yay! 02:07:55.160 --> 02:08:06.060 Max they literally had a wipe with 20 people alive and the boss having 8% HP and P4 02:08:06.060 --> 02:08:15.040 I don't believe that the only way that can be true is before they hot-fixed the 02:08:15.040 --> 02:08:27.360 So that was pre they nerfed the boss slightly they basically made so how this 02:08:27.360 --> 02:08:29.880 worked before is you guys see these little light debuffs on people's frames 02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:37.040 right here if you died and got rezed you never regained this buff which 02:08:37.040 --> 02:08:42.040 basically meant it was impossible to kill it if anyone ever died so naturally 02:08:42.040 --> 02:08:46.360 They fixed this because like if you read someone they should obviously they're gonna lose the tick from when they died 02:08:46.360 --> 02:08:48.360 But like you can read them and keep going 02:08:50.920 --> 02:08:56.760 What they did is they nerfed the boss technically by just making each of these things do one initial more tick 02:08:57.280 --> 02:09:03.760 That wasn't to nerf the boss that was they ended up inadvertently nerfing it by I mean you have to do like 10 million less 02:09:03.760 --> 02:09:06.720 Damage total but like out of a billion like it means like fucking whatever 02:09:06.720 --> 02:09:21.720 The reason that happened is it is that was their fix to getting rezzed like you get rezzed and you go in the light and it doesn't initial tick and that's what applies to the debuff to it prevents that from happening so I believe any pull where they had everyone alive in this phase and they wiped it 8%. 02:09:21.720 --> 02:09:30.720 I had to have been with that involved like they didn't have full light debuffs on the rate it kind of makes no sense. 02:09:31.200 --> 02:09:34.920 Unless they like just didn't spend any CDs in the phase or something 02:09:37.200 --> 02:09:40.280 19 alive Jinji dead the whole time was 6% wipe 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:45.520 Yeah, with Jinji alive it would if Jinji was alive without even pressing a button 02:09:46.280 --> 02:09:50.440 His light debuff alone would have killed it on that pull if he was actually dead the entire time 02:09:52.960 --> 02:09:59.040 Max it was after your kill I watched it live. Oh, I mean, yeah, can you like link or you can't link anything in the chat 02:09:59.040 --> 02:10:00.540 I don't know how you'd even get it to me 02:10:00.720 --> 02:10:24.520 The 02:10:24.520 --> 02:10:28.920 fact that they had a .2% after the liquid kill was kind of heartbreaking, really, it 02:10:28.920 --> 02:10:32.800 was after we killed it so it wouldn't have mattered. Oh you mean like going to 02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:36.240 bed with it dead? Yeah I see me. 02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:52.160 Yeah I gotta be happy cuz like dude even though you don't win at this point 02:10:52.160 --> 02:11:00.640 like dude just being done is so sick. Oh where was the like post-race Q&A you guys are talking about? 02:11:12.320 --> 02:11:16.000 Imagine the Ekko fans that they killed the next pull though. So many head start comments. 02:11:16.000 --> 02:11:22.760 Yeah, I mean, yeah, those people are kind of insufferable, but yeah, I mean this race 02:11:22.760 --> 02:11:24.760 I don't even get that though like 02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:28.000 Like we started 02:11:29.480 --> 02:11:34.120 Like a long time after them on Beloran which again was like well not really our fault 02:11:34.120 --> 02:11:38.280 I guess because like our splits just we had a different plan, but that wasn't like there 02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:41.320 It wasn't on them that that happened that could have not been the case 02:11:41.320 --> 02:11:47.440 Um, which, oh dude, I actually got one the other day cause like, you know how like the 02:11:47.440 --> 02:11:51.820 super delusional fan just believes that it's a pure 16 hour thing. 02:11:51.820 --> 02:11:56.800 Like the fact that you're pulling bosses with information, you never gain back time. 02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:00.720 Anytime they kill a boss in less polls than you with full information is because they 02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:01.720 just played better. 02:12:01.720 --> 02:12:03.680 It just doesn't matter. 02:12:03.680 --> 02:12:05.520 And I brought up the belleran thing. 02:12:05.520 --> 02:12:07.520 I'm like, oh, we killed like belleran in more polls. 02:12:07.520 --> 02:12:13.520 they're like yeah well of course you did cuz cuz you uh cuz you woke up and you just fucking had 02:12:13.520 --> 02:12:19.040 like the full fucking strat and I'm like oh wait so hold on hold on one second fucking pause pause 02:12:19.040 --> 02:12:24.640 so what you're telling me is obviously and then yeah it must the person's head was just doing 02:12:24.640 --> 02:12:40.720 fucking backflips. Max, check the pin. Alright, thanks, dog. Let's get it. 02:12:44.320 --> 02:12:48.720 Uh, okay, and then if I hit watch full video. 02:12:54.640 --> 02:12:59.640 Max, I know this argument is tiresome, but would there ever be any difference if there was a global raid release? 02:12:59.640 --> 02:13:07.640 Um, I mean, would there be a difference? Yeah, I mean, it'd be a lot more exciting. It'd be super less bullshit for EU, especially like they lose viewership on the first day. 02:13:07.640 --> 02:13:16.640 And there's, you, it would remove the fear of like us getting a boss with a reset of gear and just instantly killing it because they haven't gotten their reset yet. Thank God that has never happened. 02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:21.640 But like, do I believe it would have changed the result of any race we have won so far? 02:13:21.640 --> 02:13:24.640 Absolutely not. I'll stand on that for sure. 02:13:24.640 --> 02:13:35.640 But it also fucking sucks and they should do that, but I think people need to give us, give respect when it's due, for sure. 02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:41.640 Like, not even, I don't even know how many races in total that we've won, that they even killed it within 16 hours of us in general, 02:13:41.640 --> 02:13:45.640 but even the ones when they did, it would be pretty insane if even they were making that argument. 02:13:45.640 --> 02:13:56.040 That is the pull I was talking about well, I hit watchful video is that is it just right before this? 02:14:02.920 --> 02:14:07.720 Like like going into like the second week it was all the comments were like do what if liquid just 02:14:07.720 --> 02:14:12.680 goes in and kills it because the voice bar and dreamer were so easy but the reality is like 02:14:12.680 --> 02:14:13.840 like, yeah, that would have been bullshit. 02:14:13.840 --> 02:14:15.840 But also that's like never happened. 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.640 It's just simply never happened, right? 02:14:18.640 --> 02:14:21.840 There is one thing though, like I notice our guild plays 02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:26.840 worse when we are, actually I don't know if that's true. 02:14:27.200 --> 02:14:29.240 I was gonna say we play worse when we're trailing, 02:14:29.240 --> 02:14:31.180 but low key it's like a lot more stressful 02:14:31.180 --> 02:14:33.240 when we're ahead because you feel like 02:14:35.440 --> 02:14:37.440 you have to like can't make any mistakes 02:14:37.440 --> 02:14:38.920 or someone will gain ground on you. 02:14:38.920 --> 02:14:41.920 So you're like, even though it's just so inevitable, 02:14:41.920 --> 02:14:44.600 It's so weird, like, you feel so stressed out 02:14:44.600 --> 02:14:47.080 anytime you're wiping a lot in P1 or something 02:14:47.080 --> 02:14:48.120 because you're just like, guys, 02:14:48.120 --> 02:14:49.680 we have to like keep gaining pace, 02:14:49.680 --> 02:14:51.840 but it's just inevitable that you will fall behind. 02:14:51.840 --> 02:14:54.520 It's just how streaming the race works. 02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:55.640 And then once we're behind, 02:14:55.640 --> 02:14:57.640 we're actually like kind of fucking insane. 02:14:57.640 --> 02:15:01.120 Like, dude, when we wake up on a fresh day 02:15:01.120 --> 02:15:03.200 with like, they passed us during the night 02:15:03.200 --> 02:15:05.320 and we get some little fresh info to go off of, 02:15:05.320 --> 02:15:08.040 fresh day, we kind of just pop the fuck off. 02:15:08.040 --> 02:15:09.800 I feel like, I don't know how we've learned 02:15:09.800 --> 02:15:16.800 to do that well, but it does seem nice for us at least. 02:15:16.800 --> 02:15:24.840 Alright, I'm going to watch the pull. 02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:25.840 So when was this? 02:15:25.840 --> 02:15:27.400 This was 454 pulls. 02:15:27.400 --> 02:15:30.000 Is this before we killed it? 02:15:30.000 --> 02:15:34.200 Wait, no. 02:15:34.200 --> 02:15:35.200 Wait, sorry. 02:15:35.200 --> 02:15:42.720 their best was 0.3%. Oh, this is the 6% wipe with Genji dead the whole time. Of course, 02:15:42.720 --> 02:15:46.480 while he's not dead the whole time. Right? He's getting ticks off right now. 02:15:46.480 --> 02:15:58.560 Now, back with the first place, dead front, back, running two, one, run, oh, oh, I thought 02:15:58.560 --> 02:16:02.320 this was a GDP of EL like that, no wonder you're dead, actually. 02:16:02.320 --> 02:16:03.320 Okay. 02:16:03.320 --> 02:16:10.400 It's just stacking in one pixel stack, the laser's going back. 02:16:10.400 --> 02:16:15.000 Dude, I have so much respect for Echo when they like are have already lost, but we'll 02:16:15.000 --> 02:16:18.440 still stay up to like three or four AM to try to kill a boss before going to bed. 02:16:19.240 --> 02:16:23.080 I respect their leadership for getting them to do that and also their players to do that and 02:16:23.080 --> 02:16:30.680 still have like P4 pulls because if we ever lost, which now nothing matters, there's no rush to 02:16:30.680 --> 02:16:38.440 do anything like if we lose, you lose. If we, if it was midnight and we lost and I'm like guys 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:45.720 listen we're going until this boss dies they would kill me in real life there is no they would I would 02:16:45.720 --> 02:16:52.120 be dead they it would it would never happen they would all quit the guild if we did that one time 02:16:54.280 --> 02:17:01.640 and either they like Skype and Roger like convince them to do it or their players I think what 02:17:01.640 --> 02:17:06.360 someone said is that they vote to keep going it's and if they if that is true as well like 02:17:06.360 --> 02:17:10.960 Like they just vote like their players are like fuck. Yeah, let's not just go to sleep because we're all extremely 02:17:11.280 --> 02:17:13.280 Exhausted at this point. They want to keep going 02:17:13.960 --> 02:17:17.760 That's fucking beast dude. Like I that is insane mental 02:17:24.800 --> 02:17:27.920 Max would you say echo is more dedicated to their leadership 02:17:27.920 --> 02:17:33.560 I guess so bro like they would roast me on a spit and kill me if if we did that 02:17:33.560 --> 02:17:37.340 Like I'm I'm serious they would actually murder me and especially like dude 02:17:37.340 --> 02:17:41.220 Suri is the number one person that this bro if we ever went an hour over raid time 02:17:41.220 --> 02:17:44.720 He was perma doom posting in current Raiders. He fucking hated it. I 02:17:45.480 --> 02:17:49.840 Just can't imagine. Yeah, no, I think so. I think they just have crazy aura or something 02:17:51.320 --> 02:17:54.560 That like they're just everyone in their guilds like yes 02:17:54.560 --> 02:17:59.440 We must actually play up until the night even though nothing matters anymore. They're just fucking monsters 02:17:59.440 --> 02:18:18.480 just unbeatable beasts. All right, as a German cutting edge player we vote to keep as well, 02:18:18.480 --> 02:18:24.160 we vote to go as well. Yeah. I mean like dude, Cere is like such a nice person, but like the 02:18:24.160 --> 02:18:28.880 second you go over raid time, he goes like full German in current Raiders chat. Like he will, 02:18:28.880 --> 02:18:32.840 He will slander my entire bloodline if we went an hour over raid 02:18:51.080 --> 02:18:53.480 Wait, this is not the pull you guys told me about oh 02:18:53.480 --> 02:18:59.400 Oh, no, this person went straight. 02:18:59.400 --> 02:19:04.240 Okay, to be fair, though, this is why this mechanic is hard. 02:19:04.240 --> 02:19:06.240 Like these go out so fast. 02:19:06.240 --> 02:19:09.240 Look at this. 02:19:09.240 --> 02:19:14.040 Three, two, one, now, okay. 02:19:14.040 --> 02:19:16.160 So this one isn't hard. 02:19:16.160 --> 02:19:20.000 Ideally, you have the, there's two versions of Star Splinter. 02:19:20.000 --> 02:19:23.360 One of them is like this and the other one is like this. 02:19:23.360 --> 02:19:28.320 So obviously the front-back strat, it's super easy if you get the pink one because if you 02:19:28.320 --> 02:19:29.920 just go straight back, this is safe. 02:19:29.920 --> 02:19:37.960 The strat is if you get this one, you like initially go back and then you have a choice. 02:19:37.960 --> 02:19:41.440 You can either go left or go right, which will then make this big open safe spot here 02:19:41.440 --> 02:19:45.280 like not hit the rate or the other one obviously. 02:19:45.280 --> 02:19:49.240 What he, now he has an easy job. 02:19:49.240 --> 02:19:50.240 No one else has it. 02:19:50.240 --> 02:19:54.320 You just heard a sound in your ear that you got picked with this, FTM looks like he gets 02:19:54.320 --> 02:19:55.320 it. 02:19:55.320 --> 02:19:58.080 So he goes, he goes straight back and goes like left to right. 02:19:58.080 --> 02:19:59.080 He did that perfectly. 02:19:59.080 --> 02:20:03.240 But look at the second two people. 02:20:03.240 --> 02:20:05.560 I don't care how good you are. 02:20:05.560 --> 02:20:08.920 If you are like, wait, I just got this mechanic. 02:20:08.920 --> 02:20:12.760 By the way, if I mess this up, we don't kill the boss. 02:20:12.760 --> 02:20:17.000 And you don't know even which one your thing is, because the second person doesn't 02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:18.280 move right away. 02:20:18.280 --> 02:20:25.360 And now the other two people have both patterns and they don't even know who is who. 02:20:25.360 --> 02:20:30.680 So like, like how do you, like right now what do you, I would say if this ever happens 02:20:30.680 --> 02:20:35.380 two people are stacked up like this and the second person hasn't already started moving 02:20:35.380 --> 02:20:40.620 and everyone's pixel stacked here, you just, you're just gonna blow up. 02:20:40.620 --> 02:20:41.620 It's really hard. 02:20:41.620 --> 02:20:46.480 That's like, and then no one moves. 02:20:46.480 --> 02:21:14.340 the whole raid yeah that is a tough 02:21:44.340 --> 02:21:49.540 This was like right out. Yeah, this is like 10 minutes after. This was before. No, I wasn't. 02:21:53.460 --> 02:21:56.180 I mean, it could have been. I think this is actually the one thing that the 02:21:56.180 --> 02:22:02.980 RaceWorld first viewers get the most wrong is I feel like it takes a guild until a guild 02:22:02.980 --> 02:22:06.340 wipes really low on a boss for the hype to build that they can kill it. 02:22:06.340 --> 02:22:16.500 When, for example, let's say Echo was at 0.5% on this boss, or Echo was at 40% on this boss, 02:22:16.500 --> 02:22:22.220 my personal stress levels would not change because in either scenario, the next pull they 02:22:22.220 --> 02:22:24.480 get into P4, it could die. 02:22:24.480 --> 02:22:27.540 Kind of a prime example of that is we went from like, what, like 20% to zero? 02:22:27.540 --> 02:22:31.860 It just takes a pull where everyone just does the thing, which is like relatively 02:22:31.860 --> 02:22:32.860 trivial. 02:22:32.860 --> 02:22:36.200 It's just really late in the fight to actually do it correctly. 02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:39.600 But I feel like chat doesn't actually feel like that's true. 02:22:39.600 --> 02:22:42.160 I feel like you could both be getting into P4 with the same amount. 02:22:42.160 --> 02:22:47.240 One guild has a 40% pull, the other one has a 0.5% wipe, but chat would be like, dude, 02:22:47.240 --> 02:22:50.760 the guild with a 0.5% wipe wherever it is, they'd be like, bro, they're fucking just, 02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:53.800 they're about to win, they're so much better right now, but they're just looking at the 02:22:53.800 --> 02:22:57.280 best number and they don't really, I mean it's complicated. 02:22:57.280 --> 02:23:00.400 I'm not trying to like shit on people who don't really understand how this works, 02:23:00.400 --> 02:23:03.360 but it's definitely the common opinion, it's very, very clueless. 02:23:06.200 --> 02:23:17.680 So many people saying you were so far behind before you killed it. Yeah, I promise you Echo 02:23:17.680 --> 02:23:24.640 did not think that. Tally was saying you guys played terrible and then just pulled out an 02:23:24.640 --> 02:23:33.280 immaculate pull. I'm going to assume that that is an out of context one guy. That would 02:23:33.280 --> 02:23:35.640 be an insane thing to say. 02:23:35.640 --> 02:23:37.680 But yeah, I mean, like you said, the casual race world 02:23:37.680 --> 02:23:40.320 first fan looks at poll count numbers. 02:23:40.320 --> 02:23:42.680 And they look at current best boss percentage. 02:23:42.680 --> 02:23:44.280 They don't really know what's going on. 02:23:49.960 --> 02:23:51.240 I'm getting into it. 02:23:51.240 --> 02:23:52.040 Damn, that's sad. 02:23:52.040 --> 02:23:54.320 OK, but that's not what I wanted to see. 02:23:54.320 --> 02:23:56.120 I don't care about the low percentage wipe. 02:23:56.120 --> 02:23:56.840 I saw this live. 02:23:56.840 --> 02:23:59.560 You guys said that they had a 6% wipe with everyone 02:23:59.560 --> 02:24:06.520 alive the entire pole post hot fix for battle-resing people and them getting the light buff again. 02:24:06.520 --> 02:24:17.000 That's what I want to see. 02:24:17.000 --> 02:24:18.000 Everyone minus Genji. 02:24:18.000 --> 02:24:21.480 Oh, well, that's not, okay, Max, here it is. 02:24:21.480 --> 02:24:27.120 That's not, again, wiping at 6% with one person dead makes sense. 02:24:27.120 --> 02:24:31.360 Actually, I think having one person dead the entire phase. It is probably impossible to go the boss 02:24:36.800 --> 02:24:42.640 Oh god their casters just did him so dirty because like everyone saw it 02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:47.120 Oh this would have been for the win 02:24:47.120 --> 02:24:49.120 through this room 02:24:49.440 --> 02:24:53.200 Nice means group the third one being done as well as the other side do the melody mark 02:24:53.200 --> 02:24:58.680 Okay, tell the rest is dude this guy's a good caster by the way where he's talking right now the British dude 02:24:59.320 --> 02:25:04.960 He's got he's got he's got a good like I watched a couple of their like lower wipes after we killed it 02:25:04.960 --> 02:25:08.680 And he's just casting his fucking ass off bro 02:25:08.680 --> 02:25:14.880 Like he's he said some just absolute loony tune shit like like the darkness will be 02:25:14.880 --> 02:25:19.880 destroyed him and he was just saying some crazy ass shit but it went hard as fuck 02:25:19.880 --> 02:25:24.160 complete marks in two yes this is looking very good nine percent of lure 02:25:24.160 --> 02:25:27.000 right now charming taking a ton of damage the other side has to go down 02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:30.960 zero goes down the rest is available for him they just need to do these marks 02:25:30.960 --> 02:25:35.920 tenderly the crosses pair in the diamonds now get him in there guys get it 02:25:35.920 --> 02:25:39.200 done who needs to go his teeth goes down all right here's what I don't get 02:25:39.200 --> 02:25:42.900 Everyone's dunking on Jinji, which obviously I'm cool with that, but 02:25:44.420 --> 02:25:50.440 Just because Jinji is the one that died but I mean didn't two people die before that phase even started 02:25:50.440 --> 02:25:52.440 So there wasn't a Valoriz for him 02:25:57.200 --> 02:25:59.200 I'm just bringing it up 02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:04.140 Resusely as quickly as possible Charmy then disfans and turtles they are still gonna be able to transition 02:26:04.140 --> 02:26:08.440 I think 2%. Oh, yeah, this is Astro free close Astro free 02:26:09.200 --> 02:26:10.900 Dude, we even had some pushes where we almost, 02:26:10.900 --> 02:26:13.900 I wish on the kill, we would have beat this cast. 02:26:13.900 --> 02:26:16.340 Like what, they got 1.1% here? 02:26:16.340 --> 02:26:17.900 What does ours get to? 02:26:20.180 --> 02:26:22.980 I don't know why this happens on this specific VOD 02:26:22.980 --> 02:26:27.980 on this website, but I'm pretty sure we almost like, 02:26:28.280 --> 02:26:29.420 I think we almost beat it. 02:26:29.420 --> 02:26:30.260 I'm into it. 02:26:30.260 --> 02:26:31.500 Did you just help out? 02:26:31.500 --> 02:26:32.540 HP, you're high. 02:26:32.540 --> 02:26:33.380 You're buffed. 02:26:36.380 --> 02:26:37.220 Yeah. 02:26:37.220 --> 02:26:38.060 What is it? 02:26:38.060 --> 02:26:39.140 You're high enough. 02:26:39.140 --> 02:26:51.580 Look at the boss HP, 0.3, 0.2, dude, 1.6 million less. 02:26:51.580 --> 02:26:54.980 1 million HP. 02:26:54.980 --> 02:27:03.380 We were 1 million fucking damage total off of beating the Dark 02:27:03.380 --> 02:27:04.740 Archangel cast. 02:27:04.740 --> 02:27:08.660 Fucking yips. 02:27:08.660 --> 02:27:10.660 Absolute fucking guardian drew a damage 02:27:17.820 --> 02:27:21.540 Yeah, it's not even close wait, how did ginger even die? 02:27:26.060 --> 02:27:28.060 Huh 02:27:28.980 --> 02:27:37.300 It literally makes no sense. This is gonna be dirty clothes. Oh just the darkness debuff. I mean yeah, but like I mean that's kind of 02:27:38.660 --> 02:27:47.060 I mean like for other people want to I mean 02:27:49.300 --> 02:27:55.660 He had health stone and health pot dude, it's actually so fucked that everyone's like going back and like looking at every little small retroactive things 02:28:01.980 --> 02:28:07.140 Also, like dude, I feel like Jinju's taking all the blame for this, but how is there not any blame on? 02:28:07.140 --> 02:28:11.540 Yes, this is tank and warlock dying right before this and this is coming from someone that is 02:28:12.300 --> 02:28:16.060 Like Jinji slander is welcomed right? I'm not I'm that's 02:28:16.500 --> 02:28:18.940 In fact, that's kind of nice. I like that 02:28:20.060 --> 02:28:21.900 But I'm just say it doesn't really make sense 02:28:21.900 --> 02:28:26.180 It's sort of down into the other side has to be there Alex Zerbo goes down the rest is available for him 02:28:26.180 --> 02:28:30.020 They just need to do these marks. It's I feel like he's getting the short end of the stick 02:28:30.020 --> 02:28:34.860 The diamonds now get in in there guys get it done the T's need to go as teeth goes down 02:28:34.860 --> 02:28:37.920 that's going to be their next combat res use as quickly as possible Charmy then 02:28:37.920 --> 02:28:42.460 defense and turtles they are still going to be able to transition I think 2% 02:28:42.460 --> 02:28:46.580 this is going to be dirty close they've got it through you know 100% dark wave 02:28:46.580 --> 02:28:51.000 coming out they need to survive through this Gingy goes down they just do it in 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:54.140 time combat rest of in 30 seconds means Gingy won't be here for the damage at 02:28:54.140 --> 02:28:58.500 at the start of the phase but they can bring him up phase for the secret 02:28:58.500 --> 02:29:03.240 phase the mythic phase the one we did not believe existed here it goes 19 02:29:33.240 --> 02:29:38.240 I'm pretty sure they wipe even with Genji alive here. 02:29:38.240 --> 02:29:40.240 Nah, maybe not. 6%? 02:29:40.240 --> 02:29:42.240 Whole face? 02:29:47.240 --> 02:29:50.240 Uh, he might have done... 02:29:50.240 --> 02:29:56.240 I don't know how much one player's tix does of the total boss HP. 02:29:56.240 --> 02:30:00.240 Now, obviously you have a damage amp and he would have also been doing damage, but... 02:30:00.240 --> 02:30:08.000 It's probably right around 6%. 02:30:08.000 --> 02:30:13.800 So all 20 people, I mean we can actually figure this out, all 20 people I think do 63% of the 02:30:13.800 --> 02:30:14.800 bosses HP? 02:30:14.800 --> 02:30:18.360 Am I making that number up, something like that? 02:30:18.360 --> 02:30:22.080 So 63 divided by 20, then it's whatever that is. 02:30:22.080 --> 02:30:25.120 It's around 4%. 02:30:25.120 --> 02:30:30.220 And then basically does his damage alone with the damage empty 3% of his HP? 02:30:30.220 --> 02:30:35.220 not. I don't think there's any single DPS that would do 6% or 3% of this boss's HP with 02:30:35.220 --> 02:30:39.820 just their damage. Maybe, actually maybe it is right around that number. 02:30:39.820 --> 02:30:45.900 Darko's still up! Merr is fighting against Midnight! But like I said, the only reason 02:30:45.900 --> 02:30:48.580 there wasn't a battle rest room is because two other people died, but people don't look 02:30:48.580 --> 02:30:55.580 at that. It's just the person who happens to be dead at the end. It's fucked. 02:31:00.220 --> 02:31:27.220 Yeah, but I feel like Genji's had like pretty good PR like I mean, especially when we started doing the race to world first bro like dude EU like the crazy EU fans like Genji was their actual goat like MDI champion race to world first god best player ever like when did that chain when did that change you know what I'm saying 02:31:27.220 --> 02:31:41.820 I don't I don't have any idea what's happening in only things but 02:31:41.820 --> 02:31:53.340 All right, well 02:31:53.340 --> 02:32:01.140 the end the darkness wins 6.1% wait that would have been for world verse like they would 02:32:01.140 --> 02:32:09.240 have won right well I mean we don't know if that one person would have yeah that's a 02:32:09.240 --> 02:32:14.840 What time was this like what time was this in like NA time? It's 22 22 02:32:15.720 --> 02:32:17.720 Whatever their server time is 02:32:18.440 --> 02:32:19.960 Are we like 02:32:19.960 --> 02:32:22.120 Awake at this point. It's like an hour before we killed it 02:32:25.320 --> 02:32:28.520 Max for world first they had a 0.3 percent before you guys were 02:32:30.360 --> 02:32:32.360 Is that true? 02:32:33.000 --> 02:32:37.160 I mean, I don't I don't I thought the number was not I thought the I thought that was after 02:32:37.160 --> 02:32:40.120 It was like literally right after we killed it. They had this super low one 02:32:40.800 --> 02:32:45.200 That was for p3 not p4. Oh, yeah, like the previous day, but I mean that's kind of the same thing 02:32:45.600 --> 02:32:48.640 They do both raid days were so interesting. It was like Demensius 02:32:49.240 --> 02:32:55.320 Like the Demensius thing had only ever happened on fire act before and then Demensius basically happened two days in a row this race 02:32:55.320 --> 02:32:59.880 That's like Blizzard couldn't even manufacture that if they tried it was just pure fucking luck 02:33:00.320 --> 02:33:04.800 That they happened into like two days with 200k plus concurrent viewers perma 02:33:04.800 --> 02:33:10.720 where the secret phase was discovered, 02:33:10.720 --> 02:33:13.520 and then also the boss was killed. 02:33:14.880 --> 02:33:20.000 Just insane Hyrule, whatever seed we're in right now. 02:33:34.800 --> 02:33:44.820 Max it's at 38 hours 39 minutes 34 seconds on your video dude my goat my actual goat 02:33:44.820 --> 02:33:56.560 Sometimes you just need to be do we need to look at damage again and that's probably what the 02:33:56.560 --> 02:34:02.200 was oh is it the short of flipping this one please comes out perfectly time 02:34:02.200 --> 02:34:07.240 star split is going to the side as well boss down to 60% HP as echo try and pump 02:34:07.240 --> 02:34:13.280 they are going absolutely haywire right now we okay so yeah this is the pull 02:34:13.280 --> 02:34:17.760 with everyone alive till the end right except not their way through these dogs 02:34:17.760 --> 02:34:22.240 the ear laser is chasing them so far yet they've kept every alive one more 02:34:22.240 --> 02:34:27.800 Blades out you'd take succinct. Absolutely. Hey, I'm now weaving their way through these dogs 02:34:27.800 --> 02:34:31.180 The ear laser is chasing them so far. How do you know it gets every other? 02:34:31.180 --> 02:34:36.680 That's not you just echo try and pump. I mean you could argue he could have shielded 02:34:37.720 --> 02:34:43.700 But he has no health sewn up. He has no pot. He has altered, but you can't alter like as you're moving 02:34:45.480 --> 02:34:49.240 This is like even if you're one of those people that goes back and looks at a death 02:34:49.240 --> 02:34:54.020 And you like try to pick apart every single thing they could have done by the way while doing something very challenging 02:34:54.020 --> 02:34:58.060 It's hard to do that perfectly. There's like no perfect while players than possible, right? 02:34:58.420 --> 02:35:01.620 Even in that scenario, it's like I mean, I feel like he just 02:35:01.620 --> 02:35:07.500 Certainly haywire right now weaving their way through these dogs the ear laser is chasing them so far yet 02:35:07.500 --> 02:35:09.820 They've kept every alive one more blade 02:35:09.820 --> 02:35:12.700 Jinji down Jinji takes a clip. They still have a combat rest available. 02:35:12.700 --> 02:35:15.580 Splits is coming out. Jinji comes back up. They need to get these star splitters away 02:35:15.580 --> 02:35:19.940 We've got about 20 seconds before the hard-in range heaven and hell coming out in two seconds 02:35:19.940 --> 02:35:21.460 So do you guys notice something about this? 02:35:22.500 --> 02:35:24.500 Jinji and Narko both died 02:35:25.300 --> 02:35:26.140 and 02:35:26.140 --> 02:35:30.700 They unfortunately do not have a very important debuff 02:35:35.340 --> 02:35:40.420 So when they nerfed this boss didn't really 02:35:40.420 --> 02:35:47.280 It did very slightly like it would never affect a kill or not a kill so like they basically did not nerf the boss 02:35:51.640 --> 02:35:53.240 They 02:35:53.240 --> 02:35:58.680 They made it that what that was was making it so when you res someone they got this light buff again 02:36:01.800 --> 02:36:03.800 Also the evoker 02:36:10.420 --> 02:36:15.280 every single time they've entered this phase moving out with the star, here comes the scythe 02:36:15.280 --> 02:36:19.300 they've managed to have to hold the start in the middle there which has cost them a ton of players 02:36:19.600 --> 02:36:22.940 Echo has managed to snipe everybody little bit of 02:36:23.280 --> 02:36:27.360 10% as to what was going on as the dog died. I don't think I 02:36:29.640 --> 02:36:35.960 Mean three buffs is a lot. Did anyone map this out? Do they do they kill this on this pole and 02:36:35.960 --> 02:36:41.120 And get world first if Blizzard just had this working properly from the start 02:36:44.360 --> 02:36:46.360 Is it enough 02:36:48.560 --> 02:36:55.920 If that's true like holy fuck that is like that's got to be so tilting 02:36:55.920 --> 02:37:08.780 No shot, that's 10%. Yeah, but maybe if like they get a 0.1% wipe instead of whatever, maybe 02:37:08.780 --> 02:37:12.780 they're more motivated, they have more adrenaline and then that, you know what I'm saying, like 02:37:12.780 --> 02:37:16.540 butterfly effect, affectionate, like they, they could have ended up killing it still 02:37:16.540 --> 02:37:23.420 for world first because of that in a way. Like bro, we were, it was actually three 02:37:23.420 --> 02:37:28.220 nights ago I think it was the night before the secret phase we were like doing what any guild is 02:37:28.220 --> 02:37:35.020 prone to do which is just running it down mid and p1 for a bit and then we had like a really good pull 02:37:36.060 --> 02:37:42.140 like a new best pull by a lot and everyone started playing so much fucking better like 02:37:42.140 --> 02:37:47.100 communications up everything like bro you can't manufacture that it just happens or does it 02:37:53.420 --> 02:38:00.940 You can literally do the math, it was enough damage, they lost 4 buffs. 02:38:00.940 --> 02:38:04.340 Well they didn't lose 4 buffs entirely, right? 02:38:04.340 --> 02:38:11.220 They're ticking on the entire raid. 02:38:11.220 --> 02:38:15.060 Or you're seeing the math was done from like the single tick that they died. 02:38:15.060 --> 02:38:18.380 Cause like, it's not like they were dead the whole phase. 02:38:18.380 --> 02:38:22.220 They, I mean it already looks like all of them were alive for at least a quarter 02:38:22.220 --> 02:38:36.940 of the phase minimum. Yeah dude they they did not yeah I don't know that's actually kind 02:38:36.940 --> 02:38:40.900 of good because like I think if they did actually have the damage if this was just hotfix to 02:38:40.900 --> 02:38:45.100 be working correctly earlier and then they didn't get world first because of that that 02:38:45.100 --> 02:38:50.580 would be just massive till I don't I don't think what they end up like as the 02:38:50.580 --> 02:38:53.540 dogs were coming in they've managed to have to hold the start in the middle there 02:38:53.540 --> 02:38:56.640 which has cost them a ton of players echo has managed to 02:38:56.640 --> 02:39:04.420 yeah I don't I don't think so I don't care enough to actually do the math but 02:39:04.420 --> 02:39:13.900 it doesn't add up in my head three full buffs is 10 and a half percent oh then 02:39:13.900 --> 02:39:17.540 like yeah I mean that's there's literally no way because they didn't even miss 02:39:17.540 --> 02:39:23.420 three whole buffs they had probably if you add up the time that they had the 02:39:23.420 --> 02:39:29.300 buffs it's probably worth one full buff right it's not like it all ticks at the 02:39:29.300 --> 02:39:39.300 end it's like it happens continuously I think people are saying if they had no 02:39:39.300 --> 02:39:45.100 deaths and they didn't snipe the whole raid with blazes so if they didn't wipe 02:39:45.100 --> 02:39:51.060 you're saying what you're telling me is after you ran the math you found out 02:39:51.060 --> 02:39:57.800 that if they didn't wipe they would have killed it that is I mean that's fucking 02:39:57.800 --> 02:40:06.700 facts bro that is true if they would have done those mechanics properly they 02:40:06.700 --> 02:40:19.500 would have won. Facts. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I would definitely 02:40:19.500 --> 02:40:27.100 feel like the choke thing is a little harsh. I know this has happened twice in a row where 02:40:27.100 --> 02:40:31.540 like they felt like they should have won and then we just kind of outpaced them. But like 02:40:31.540 --> 02:40:35.180 I think it is hard like mentally when you are getting to the end of your day and people 02:40:35.180 --> 02:40:41.900 naturally start fading because like they're just fucking exhausted and then you like slump a little 02:40:41.900 --> 02:40:46.540 bit people start talking as much after pulls maybe there's some tilt going on and then your 02:40:46.540 --> 02:40:52.620 opponent wakes up and gets a fat pull and if you know about it which if you're smart you don't 02:40:53.500 --> 02:40:58.540 you're gonna start playing like dog shit you're gonna be like oh that's happening again this 02:40:58.540 --> 02:41:02.220 happened last time. It can really get in your head and affect your play. 02:41:04.700 --> 02:41:08.940 They don't value sleep enough. Yeah, yeah, we, someone should actually do the math on that. I don't, 02:41:08.940 --> 02:41:12.700 I didn't follow it super closely, but we slept a lot more than they did this year. Like they, 02:41:13.260 --> 02:41:20.140 like the first day of Mythic, they do some crazy fucking day. They, they did like a bunch of splits 02:41:20.140 --> 02:41:24.220 and still just had a ton of hours. Like on resets, they like wake up at reset time and 02:41:24.220 --> 02:41:29.340 like play a longer day and then like wake up at the normal time the next day again if we did that 02:41:31.020 --> 02:41:34.140 our players would kill me in real life straight up I wouldn't be alive 02:41:35.900 --> 02:41:41.340 but then they eventually they eventually like sleep normal amounts I think the same amount as 02:41:41.340 --> 02:41:47.820 us it's just on reset days they do this like super crazy day and we never do that because I don't 02:41:47.820 --> 02:42:00.240 don't want to die. Okay let's switch beats a little bit here and let's check 02:42:00.240 --> 02:42:06.140 your all prediction on what you thought the race to world first raid comp would 02:42:06.140 --> 02:42:14.180 be for midnight falls. You guys have had some good tiers where you got pretty 02:42:14.180 --> 02:42:28.180 close. You cheated us. Oh, it's my fault then. It's my fault. You guys got it wrong. 02:42:28.180 --> 02:42:41.660 Okay. All right, here we go. So in Airbar Palace, you guys got 16 right. Fucking massive 02:42:41.660 --> 02:42:43.660 W that's actually really good. That is 02:42:44.340 --> 02:42:48.820 That is extremely impressive. That's honestly, I think about as good as you're ever going to get 02:42:50.300 --> 02:42:52.300 It's very solid. All right 02:42:53.140 --> 02:42:55.140 Casino raid you got 12 things right 02:42:56.340 --> 02:43:03.380 Was it a little like rare that we ended up playing five monks including three wind walkers in which you thought there were zero I 02:43:04.420 --> 02:43:10.100 Mean they were that good. It's just their Sims were bad and you guys look at Sims for some reason 02:43:10.100 --> 02:43:13.940 Even though that I'm not even gonna start that rant right now 02:43:17.220 --> 02:43:22.140 But yeah, okay, so okay you had a down rate in the casino right fine. All right now mana forge 02:43:22.940 --> 02:43:24.940 13 a step up 02:43:24.980 --> 02:43:26.980 Not quite your narrow bar palace 02:43:28.220 --> 02:43:29.780 glory 02:43:29.780 --> 02:43:35.580 But like pretty solid double le pretty like who the fuck does double le you guys voted you guys put a hunter 02:43:35.580 --> 02:43:39.020 Raid buff in your comp. What were you thinking right? So like some things? 02:43:39.020 --> 02:43:45.020 and you just completely missed on the healer comp, which is very oftenly, oftenly, wow. 02:43:45.020 --> 02:43:57.020 That's an insane proc. Very often the case. It's triple LA. Oh yeah, it is triple LA. True. 02:43:57.020 --> 02:44:04.020 So now we're going to look at what you guys got right. So we did this on Illyria, 02:44:04.020 --> 02:44:06.020 alleria 02:44:08.100 --> 02:44:11.220 Because like you know, there's nothing to do for four days 02:44:11.220 --> 02:44:17.740 So we just saw where we were at alleria and saw how many you guys got right got 13 again not a great mark 02:44:18.260 --> 02:44:23.500 But also alleria is kind of a meme boss. So who cares? Let's see what it ended up being oh 02:44:25.260 --> 02:44:28.300 This isn't looking good. I wait it is looking good, right? 02:44:28.300 --> 02:44:32.220 I feel like this is looking better than I expected. I feel like Laura got okay 02:44:32.220 --> 02:44:41.500 So what do we run for lower? We ran this, uh, we ran this. Oh, wait. No. Oh, it looks really bad. Uh, I'm comparing it to Illyria. 02:44:42.620 --> 02:44:46.460 That's really, this is not looking good. This is, I think this is. 02:44:49.420 --> 02:44:55.260 Because we have to actually compare it to like, here, I'll even remove this to make it easier. We're comparing it to this. 02:44:55.260 --> 02:45:11.020 this is looking bad. Okay, we did end up running a rogue. So that's fun. I'll make this look 02:45:11.020 --> 02:45:30.440 little easier here. Oh, no. There's another next to each other, you know. We need half 02:45:30.440 --> 02:45:48.560 credit on blood? No. You were wrong. I did make you guys choose Og or Dev. Is it unfair? 02:45:48.560 --> 02:45:55.120 Not really because they're both DPS but also Augs of Support and I decide what's fair. 02:45:55.120 --> 02:46:05.440 Okay, Ellie, Hunter, yes you got that warlock double warlock. Okay, singular mage and what 02:46:05.440 --> 02:46:20.040 else do we play? Something, we played something. Oh yeah, Rhett, Chungus. Alright, let's see 02:46:20.040 --> 02:46:24.040 what you guys got right. Tank comp completely fucking goofed it. What are you thinking? 02:46:24.040 --> 02:46:28.920 All right, healer comp. You got your first class right and your second class right, 02:46:28.920 --> 02:46:33.400 but unfortunately missed on the other two. You guys thought we were gonna play a fucking holy 02:46:33.400 --> 02:46:43.080 paladin? Explain. Explain. What do you mean? What do you mean we were gonna play a holy paladin? 02:46:44.040 --> 02:46:51.560 This was end of heroic week. Like you, right, like, and like, hold on. 02:46:51.560 --> 02:47:14.780 What are we doing here? 02:47:14.780 --> 02:47:18.440 And was Rep Paladin looking bad after Heroic Week? 02:47:18.440 --> 02:47:24.840 or something? I mean, Rep Paladin's like, I mean, Prop Paladin is actually terrible, but 02:47:24.840 --> 02:47:32.560 like, I mean, Rep Paladin's chilling. They're looking great. They're like a upper middle of 02:47:32.560 --> 02:47:37.800 the pack class. And then Holy Paladin's horrible and Prop Paladin's horrible. I feel like, do 02:47:37.800 --> 02:47:43.480 we at least think that it is, you guys should have probably got this. I think you should 02:47:43.480 --> 02:47:51.560 probably got this. I think it's okay for all of us to admit when we've messed up sometimes. 02:47:51.560 --> 02:47:56.200 I feel like you all messed up a little bit on that one. It's okay. Some of you guys were trying to 02:47:56.200 --> 02:48:01.480 put red in the comp, but the rest of the chat did not believe you. But that's how it goes. 02:48:01.480 --> 02:48:06.200 You guys are a hive mind. You have to work together. Okay. So you guys got rogue right, 02:48:06.200 --> 02:48:13.200 which you did not only area crazy you would think that we would play a raid buff 02:48:13.200 --> 02:48:19.320 you had single DH right excellent you miss double DH though you thought we were 02:48:19.320 --> 02:48:23.200 gonna play a DPS warrior which DPS warriors fine 02:48:25.200 --> 02:48:28.200 they're fine 02:48:28.200 --> 02:48:35.720 DK you guys thought we would run one DK fax we ran two but we did definitely run 02:48:35.720 --> 02:48:42.200 one. You thought we would run one AWK. You got that right, too. You thought we would run an LA, 02:48:42.200 --> 02:48:47.640 you got that right. You thought we would run a Shadow Priest. Ooh, we did not do that. Unfortunately, 02:48:47.640 --> 02:48:51.240 they can't really move, and there are 100 Blades on that fight. You thought we'd run two Hunters. 02:48:51.240 --> 02:48:54.920 Okay, you kind of nailed that. That was smart. I don't know if you guys did that based on 02:48:54.920 --> 02:49:03.400 Sims or whatever, or if, I mean, so this, Hunter was a super slam dunk, honestly, because 02:49:03.400 --> 02:49:08.000 Because if you knew there was a Denathrius split phase mechanic where there was two separate 02:49:08.000 --> 02:49:13.240 bosses, which was just simply written in the fucking dungeon journal, it is obvious that 02:49:13.240 --> 02:49:16.120 you'd need two Hunter's Marks. 02:49:16.120 --> 02:49:23.160 So I don't know if that's what made you all come to that conclusion, but that was right. 02:49:23.160 --> 02:49:30.240 It's also a large reason why there's double DH. 02:49:30.240 --> 02:49:34.080 And then two Warlocks, now this was, I think, just because you guys thought Warlock was strong. 02:49:34.080 --> 02:49:40.000 For what it's worth, D.M.O. was nerfed a bit before or after you guys voted on this. 02:49:40.000 --> 02:49:42.240 But you didn't end up still getting this right. 02:49:42.240 --> 02:49:50.600 And then you did not guess Rhett, and you did get Mage, oh, has a 12 again. 02:49:50.600 --> 02:49:56.320 Two Gates, I mean, you don't need Gate. 02:49:56.320 --> 02:49:59.820 Right? 02:49:59.820 --> 02:50:21.520 It's like a very slight damage loss to Knotgate. 02:50:21.520 --> 02:50:23.920 It's almost as if this is really hard to predict. 02:50:23.920 --> 02:50:24.920 Really? 02:50:24.920 --> 02:50:29.800 I feel like if I would have tried to predict it, I would have gotten this pretty good. 02:50:29.800 --> 02:50:38.080 right. What would I have gotten wrong? What did we run on Lora that if you were to ask 02:50:38.080 --> 02:50:43.560 me beginning of the tier, I would have been wrong? Tank comp, well, okay. We were running 02:50:43.560 --> 02:50:48.680 double Guardian on every boss until they nerfed them the Monday before Mythic. Because 02:50:48.680 --> 02:50:52.800 they were just, I mean, they used to do like, I think they got nerfed by like 30 02:50:52.800 --> 02:50:57.800 or 40% DPS the day before Mythic came out. Not even on the Friday before Mythic, 02:50:57.800 --> 02:51:04.640 the day before. So I would have guessed double guardian, but that would have been without 02:51:04.640 --> 02:51:12.640 dated information. At the beginning of heroic week, I would have not guessed that we actually 02:51:12.640 --> 02:51:18.640 ran a single monk, maybe one monk, because you wanted to play one monk on vanguard because 02:51:18.640 --> 02:51:26.120 of the revival requirement of you just need one monk for that fight. I wouldn't 02:51:26.120 --> 02:51:31.080 of guest two monks. I think we were pretty locked in on like double prez until they nerfed it and 02:51:31.080 --> 02:51:37.720 then we were pretty locked in on like it was like double prez double disc or double prez monk disc 02:51:37.720 --> 02:51:47.400 and then monk throughout her oak we went from zero to one to two. Hunters were I mean we had seven 02:51:47.400 --> 02:51:53.320 hunters for prepared for bad guards so hunters were obviously a lock we were planning on two. 02:51:53.320 --> 02:51:58.640 Ellie is the only viable shaman buff in the race. Two Augs was a lock, although 02:51:58.640 --> 02:52:01.960 you could have ran more. We ran three Augs on a few bosses this tier. Aug is 02:52:01.960 --> 02:52:06.400 extremely broken. Two DHS, you kind of need two KS brands, so that's in the 02:52:06.400 --> 02:52:11.320 comp. Rogue is, we didn't know a ton about midnight falls, but we assumed that 02:52:11.320 --> 02:52:14.320 a lot of the damage would be sourced to the boss instead of the environment, 02:52:14.320 --> 02:52:18.240 so you kind of just figured Rogue would have to be extremely bad on a 02:52:18.240 --> 02:52:23.240 boss that is most likely attributing its damage to itself to not play. 02:52:23.240 --> 02:52:27.960 because the trophic poison is just crazy. Imagine just progressing an emboss without a 3% passive 02:52:27.960 --> 02:52:33.400 VR on your whole raid. Most embosses, that would just be a completely ridiculous thought. 02:52:33.400 --> 02:52:37.480 They would have to be terrible. And they were fine with that fight. 02:52:39.480 --> 02:52:43.320 DKs, you just assumed you needed grips. So I have a couple of those prepared. 02:52:43.320 --> 02:52:45.960 We wanted to play 3 DPS DKs. They're very good damage on that fight. 02:52:53.240 --> 02:52:57.080 Max, whose idea was it to bring Trill in for the bird? 02:52:57.080 --> 02:52:59.160 I think a mixture of Lummel and Bubba. 02:53:02.440 --> 02:53:05.400 Max, didn't you guys run 500 on Vanguard? Was that planned? 02:53:05.400 --> 02:53:06.600 Well, of course. 02:53:08.600 --> 02:53:12.440 You can't just be like, oh, whoops, Hunter's really good. 02:53:13.800 --> 02:53:17.160 Let's play these Hunters that have no gear. You can't do that. 02:53:17.480 --> 02:53:20.760 The answer to that is always yes, because they were geared specifically for that reason, 02:53:20.760 --> 02:53:23.080 or else they wouldn't have been geared enough to do it. 02:53:23.240 --> 02:53:30.240 And then Rhett was the only viable Paladin buff. 02:53:30.240 --> 02:53:35.720 So Rhett's the only viable Paladin buff, Ellie's the only viable Shaman buff for the race. 02:53:35.720 --> 02:53:40.680 Anything outside of the race, everything's viable all the time. 02:53:40.680 --> 02:53:47.720 Yeah, I guess double Warlock was more of a, it just seemed like between the three 02:53:47.720 --> 02:53:50.480 specs of Warlock there's always something that's really good. 02:53:50.480 --> 02:53:58.280 that ended up being true. Max, in hindsight, do you now think it's the most optimal comp 02:53:58.280 --> 02:54:11.560 or would you have made some changes? Well, the boss changed a little bit. So before the 02:54:11.560 --> 02:54:19.260 For the secret phase, you had to do like 3% less boss damage. 02:54:19.260 --> 02:54:20.960 In which case you would always play Rogue. 02:54:20.960 --> 02:54:26.600 As soon as the secret phase happened, I think if you were to know what the fight was from 02:54:26.600 --> 02:54:31.640 the start, I don't know if you would play Rogue because their damage is like a lot worse 02:54:31.640 --> 02:54:37.680 than like maybe another DK or another AUG. 02:54:37.680 --> 02:54:42.360 But that's just for like the world first race, like starting even the reset that happened 02:54:42.360 --> 02:54:45.280 today, like you would just never set a Trophic Poison. 02:54:45.280 --> 02:54:57.600 You're talking about very thin margins. 02:54:57.600 --> 02:55:02.320 I mean, like the best damage comp for consistently getting into the last phase with like all 02:55:02.320 --> 02:55:07.360 your cooldowns is like definitely singular Guardian Druid, probably second disc. 02:55:07.360 --> 02:55:10.520 But we didn't think relearning would make sense at that point. 02:55:10.520 --> 02:55:15.800 Second disc over monk probably. 02:55:15.800 --> 02:55:17.720 But like you don't need that much damage. 02:55:17.720 --> 02:55:21.560 I know it sounds stupid, but like, I mean, we weren't playing a disc and like a disc 02:55:21.560 --> 02:55:29.040 over a monk is definitely like pretty solid raid DPS. 02:55:29.040 --> 02:55:32.400 Not as much as Guardian over Blood Decay. 02:55:32.400 --> 02:55:35.680 But they went disc over Restor Druid, which is a massive jump. 02:55:35.680 --> 02:55:45.160 actually does some damage so something like this yeah maybe I don't know 02:55:52.240 --> 02:55:55.780 how much relearning with the second disc had been if combined with the last 02:55:55.780 --> 02:55:59.240 minute bare swap the last minute bare swap required exactly zero relearning 02:55:59.240 --> 02:56:02.120 very surprised by that if I knew that we would have played at the previous day 02:56:02.120 --> 02:56:05.560 instantly literally everything was easy dropping a DK it made no sense 02:56:05.560 --> 02:56:18.080 Yeah, when I have a, let's see, Max, you talked to Blizzard to see how they designed the boss 02:56:18.080 --> 02:56:25.560 to be killed versus your strat? Are there little tricks? I mean, no. I think at BlizzCon, 02:56:25.560 --> 02:56:30.400 I was chopping it up with an encounter designer and he told me, like I asked him that exact 02:56:30.400 --> 02:56:34.000 question and I think he had like a few examples. 02:56:39.680 --> 02:56:42.200 The I don't think this raid, there would be anything like that, though. 02:56:42.200 --> 02:56:44.840 Like there is no like other way to kill Laura. 02:56:44.880 --> 02:56:48.040 There's just like maybe the P two strat was different than what they imagined. 02:56:50.520 --> 02:56:54.160 But P three is like, I mean, there's only like really one way to do it. 02:56:54.160 --> 02:56:56.000 P four, there's really only one way to do it. 02:56:57.320 --> 02:56:58.920 Maybe they ran left instead of right. 02:56:58.920 --> 02:57:08.440 Now, Illyria last phase, I imagine, was different than what they prepared. 02:57:08.440 --> 02:57:12.680 The gateway to a different platform in a 0.5 second window to spawn the ad on the correct 02:57:12.680 --> 02:57:20.160 platform, that didn't, I do not think that they intended that. 02:57:20.160 --> 02:57:23.600 Did you think they imagined you two-phasing Bellerin? 02:57:31.680 --> 02:57:33.200 I mean, I assume so, 02:57:33.200 --> 02:57:35.020 because like on the first day on heroic, 02:57:35.020 --> 02:57:36.240 people were one-phasing it. 02:57:36.240 --> 02:57:37.800 We were one-phasing it on heroic. 02:57:37.800 --> 02:57:41.680 So I imagine they had to, 02:57:41.680 --> 02:57:42.960 I mean, they're giving you a boss 02:57:42.960 --> 02:57:44.640 where you can potentially choose 02:57:44.640 --> 02:57:47.480 to not progress a third phase of the fight 02:57:47.480 --> 02:57:49.200 by just adding damage. 02:57:50.160 --> 02:57:55.680 making the other phases harder. I mean for us it was a no-brainer. I don't know if 02:57:55.680 --> 02:57:59.400 doing a third phase of that boss would have been humanly possible, but Lauren was 02:57:59.400 --> 02:58:05.360 so hard. The bird phase of Beloran is crazy as fuck and in the last phase 02:58:05.360 --> 02:58:10.320 it's four quills and there's more orbs and there's like different orb 02:58:10.320 --> 02:58:14.160 patterns. Like I don't even know if we could have even done it. Like we 02:58:14.160 --> 02:58:18.060 basically looked at it as like there's, we're barely even able to do the 02:58:18.060 --> 02:58:22.540 second Belorin phase. I don't even think the last phase is possible. So even though it sounds 02:58:22.540 --> 02:58:26.460 cursed, we have to kill this boss in two eggs because the other option is not viable. 02:58:40.620 --> 02:58:46.140 Max, why on P2 do you have to change the line position for the basketball soak? Why 02:58:46.140 --> 02:58:51.180 Why not just go to the marker every time? 02:58:51.180 --> 02:58:56.940 Because it doesn't, they don't all rotate evenly. 02:58:56.940 --> 02:59:00.580 If you do that all in the same way, maybe you can split the difference and always go 02:59:00.580 --> 02:59:04.060 on the marker and it will always hit. 02:59:04.060 --> 02:59:05.920 But it just looks sketchy. 02:59:05.920 --> 02:59:08.100 So it's like kind of in between two planets. 02:59:08.100 --> 02:59:10.100 So if you're off of like a pixel, would hit the other one. 02:59:23.500 --> 02:59:25.380 Max, why is Moonkin not used at all? 02:59:27.860 --> 02:59:30.660 Because you are, because Guardian's like just insane damage 02:59:30.660 --> 02:59:31.500 from a tank. 02:59:32.860 --> 02:59:35.660 Like basically the reason that you don't play Moonkin 02:59:35.660 --> 02:59:36.980 is because Guardian is so good. 02:59:36.980 --> 02:59:39.980 Like, Moonken's fine. 02:59:39.980 --> 02:59:41.940 It's just Guardian is like, when you're bringing a raid buff, 02:59:41.940 --> 02:59:43.980 you look at raid DPS, it's like, OK, how much worse 02:59:43.980 --> 02:59:47.660 is Moonken in the single best class you would bring here? 02:59:47.660 --> 02:59:52.180 It's like, OK, it's like 10k, whatever. 02:59:52.180 --> 02:59:54.220 But it's like, how much are you gaining of raid DPS 02:59:54.220 --> 02:59:56.180 if I play a Guardian over something else? 02:59:56.180 --> 02:59:57.380 It's massively more. 02:59:57.380 --> 02:59:59.740 So it's like, Moonken has no chance. 02:59:59.740 --> 03:00:04.460 Like, Moonken could even be among the best DPS in the game, 03:00:04.460 --> 03:00:14.060 but you know it's always going to be worse raid damage overall to play a moonkin over a guardian if you have access to everything so you just don't play it, it's just guardians is just too good. 03:00:16.620 --> 03:00:19.420 Which is by the way like really weird like that that's a thing, but 03:00:21.740 --> 03:00:23.540 yeah, I don't know basically as soon as you have a raid buff 03:00:24.100 --> 03:00:30.900 you are now competing with every other spec for a DPS spot which there's a lot of DPS specs and not that many raid spots so it's just hard. 03:00:34.460 --> 03:00:44.780 Max, why are you not using Farrell? Same reason as Moonkin, it's just not good enough after 03:00:44.780 --> 03:00:51.740 you already have a Druid buff. I do enjoy the pre-raid single target Sims that makes 03:00:51.740 --> 03:00:55.100 people think Farrell is going to be brought every single tier only for people to not 03:00:55.100 --> 03:00:58.340 understand how anything works in thinking about Sims at all ever. 03:01:18.060 --> 03:01:19.620 Max, when you first saw the secret phase, 03:01:19.620 --> 03:01:22.380 did you think that phase would take this long to kill? 03:01:22.380 --> 03:01:24.820 I know you guys took like a 15 minute break after seeing it. 03:01:25.100 --> 03:01:30.620 Yeah, immediately we were like coping and we were like, dude, the phase is super free. 03:01:30.620 --> 03:01:32.140 It's like some Lich King shit, bro. 03:01:32.140 --> 03:01:35.900 Just everyone's got to be alive and then it just like basically kills itself. 03:01:35.900 --> 03:01:37.940 We had like a 33% thing datamined. 03:01:37.940 --> 03:01:39.820 We're like, yo, maybe it dies at 33%. 03:01:39.820 --> 03:01:44.820 Turns out that datamining was like the auto phase transition on the heroic version of the 03:01:44.820 --> 03:01:45.820 boss. 03:01:45.820 --> 03:01:48.820 If you like do too much damage in P1 or P2 maybe. 03:01:48.820 --> 03:01:51.740 Um, no, it's P1, uh, 03:01:55.260 --> 03:01:56.180 yeah, I don't know. 03:01:56.180 --> 03:01:57.580 We like coped a little bit. 03:01:58.900 --> 03:02:01.620 Cause obviously if the phase was really hard, we got fucked. 03:02:02.780 --> 03:02:04.340 Like just timing fucked. 03:02:04.380 --> 03:02:07.140 Like, okay, let's spend the whole day progressing this really hard phase. 03:02:07.140 --> 03:02:10.340 That's almost impossible to even get to only for a competition to wake up on 03:02:10.340 --> 03:02:13.940 a fresh day with all this information that is, if you were to craft a 03:02:13.940 --> 03:02:18.780 scenario that is extremely bad, it is that it is the worst thing you 03:02:18.780 --> 03:02:24.700 do, actually. And that's what we were doing. And all of us know that. So we're like, this fucking sucks. 03:02:26.140 --> 03:02:29.180 And yeah, I just felt like 03:02:31.500 --> 03:02:35.100 really bad. But then we were like, okay, the phase is free. And then we saw it a little more and 03:02:35.100 --> 03:02:39.180 we're like, okay, it's not really as free. Then we did some math and we're like, no, it's kind 03:02:39.180 --> 03:02:42.460 of free. And then we're like, well, it's not really free because you just never get there. 03:02:43.580 --> 03:02:46.460 And then we woke up and killed it. It was amazing. 03:02:48.780 --> 03:03:09.740 I'm going to put a number on it, but we are feeling it was great, losing would have been 03:03:09.740 --> 03:03:15.620 bad and we did not lose when we woke up so it was great. 03:03:15.620 --> 03:03:17.740 Why are feral sims misleading? 03:03:17.740 --> 03:03:25.140 All sims are misleading. Sims are created to sim your talents and your gear and things 03:03:25.140 --> 03:03:30.180 to optimize your current character, maybe what stats are best, stuff like that. That's 03:03:30.180 --> 03:03:37.700 it. That's what they were created for. But what idiots do is they try to use extremely 03:03:37.700 --> 03:03:43.780 different quality sims across every spec in the game and assume that is a good indicator 03:03:43.780 --> 03:03:49.940 for what class balance will be when they when they come out. And by the way, all those sims are five 03:03:49.940 --> 03:03:56.100 minute no movement single target sims, which are what I could not possibly imagine is a bigger meme. 03:03:58.340 --> 03:04:04.740 And it's still, I'll say this now and next year, every opinion when you guys rank these is going 03:04:04.740 --> 03:04:09.700 to be purely based off of just irrelevant information. It's extreme beast shit. 03:04:13.780 --> 03:04:32.820 to be fair, it's either that or just guessing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's the only 03:04:32.820 --> 03:04:37.820 thing you have it's just like known to not be accurate. 03:05:02.820 --> 03:05:31.320 Max, how is you getting to P4 right before bed different than Echo going to getting P3 03:05:31.320 --> 03:05:36.600 right before bed. Wait, you mean how is us getting P4 right before they go to bed versus 03:05:36.600 --> 03:05:39.840 echo getting P3 right before they go to bed? I think that's what you're saying? There is 03:05:39.840 --> 03:05:44.400 no difference. It's the exact same thing. Us getting there or them getting there doesn't 03:05:44.400 --> 03:05:48.440 matter. What matters is, so the race is interesting, right? Like, here's basically 03:05:48.440 --> 03:05:54.880 what happens. Basically, near the end of these races, there's a little bit of luck 03:05:54.880 --> 03:05:59.680 involved. Here is the start of the race, and here's the, down here at the bottom 03:05:59.680 --> 03:06:05.140 left and here or I guess here's maybe it will start from the top left because 03:06:05.140 --> 03:06:07.600 that's like you could look at it as like boss HP tech okay so here's 03:06:07.600 --> 03:06:12.080 progressing the end boss right so we're like doing this and we start ahead of 03:06:12.080 --> 03:06:15.040 echo and then like naturally usually when we get to the end boss not really 03:06:15.040 --> 03:06:18.080 the case this year because we did more splits and stuff but like echo starts 03:06:18.080 --> 03:06:20.400 later and then they're gonna progress a little faster because they have some 03:06:20.400 --> 03:06:23.800 information and we're gonna hit a roadblock and they're gonna wake up 03:06:23.800 --> 03:06:26.960 on a fresh day and then now they're getting it lower than us and now 03:06:26.960 --> 03:06:32.920 We're asleep right but whatever okay, so echo keeps getting it lower and now now we wake up 03:06:32.920 --> 03:06:35.080 And we have information and we fucking shoot ahead of them 03:06:35.080 --> 03:06:40.940 And then this just repeats and repeats and repeats and we keep going lower and we keep stealing everyone's a thief 03:06:41.320 --> 03:06:47.900 We're all stealing from each other and then naturally you're just trying to get the boss is zero percent by doing this flip-flop thing 03:06:49.160 --> 03:06:52.960 Over and over again. These are the two guilds and yeah, it does look a lot like DNA 03:06:52.960 --> 03:06:57.800 Okay, and then a guild gets here and then like getting to the very end is hard and the other guild wakes up and they're like 03:06:57.800 --> 03:06:59.800 Okay, fuck it. We'll come down here to you fuck that 03:07:00.240 --> 03:07:05.220 And then this keeps happening and then let's just say at any point you were to cut off the race 03:07:05.220 --> 03:07:07.380 We'll just do a red line. Let's say 03:07:07.940 --> 03:07:12.480 When the boss was naturally gonna die is not at the bottom and it's actually right here. We lose 03:07:14.440 --> 03:07:20.720 Now what happens if we get to the pain is so much worse than my little magic pen. I should have used my magic pen 03:07:20.720 --> 03:07:30.640 fuck or what happens if the race ends right now I forget which line we are 03:07:30.640 --> 03:07:35.360 but right here okay now we win yay we win we like winning oh controls e dude 03:07:35.360 --> 03:07:43.120 so so true so true okay it's just like a little random and like basically what it 03:07:43.120 --> 03:07:47.440 would have been as soon as echo went to bed and like p4 doesn't die before they 03:07:47.440 --> 03:07:53.400 wake up it just means that like the end of the race would most likely and just from experience would most likely end up in a 03:07:53.400 --> 03:07:54.600 situation where like 03:07:54.600 --> 03:08:01.160 The end is most likely gonna favor their flip-flop where sometimes it favors our flip-flop sometimes we wake up with good information 03:08:01.520 --> 03:08:09.800 They're getting tired. We're fresh. We have great pulls. They get tilted. They're tired. They're hungry whatever and like and then we win 03:08:11.200 --> 03:08:15.080 Almost based on like just the timing of when these last bosses are going to die 03:08:15.080 --> 03:08:17.200 Some bosses aren't as hard and they die over here 03:08:17.200 --> 03:08:22.100 And sometimes they die all the way down here because they're insane and like it just kind of depends on what can be stolen 03:08:22.100 --> 03:08:24.860 And when so basically when we we got to that phase 03:08:24.860 --> 03:08:29.140 It doesn't matter if it was us or them the fact that we were going to progress that phase for the rest of the day 03:08:29.140 --> 03:08:33.400 Because we were both basically at the same point. They could have saw it first for sure, right? 03:08:34.800 --> 03:08:40.660 It just it just meant that we were going it was most likely a scenario where we were going to be cooked 03:08:40.720 --> 03:08:44.620 Which it was and should have been for sure 03:08:45.080 --> 03:08:47.080 Does that answer your qu- does that like make sense? 03:09:08.640 --> 03:09:13.820 Max, how did you manage traffic rules for the last memory game in P3 with no comms? 03:09:15.080 --> 03:09:17.080 I'll show you. 03:10:45.080 --> 03:10:54.760 Let's check this shit out. Midnight falls. Let me show you the orientation I used. It was not 03:10:55.960 --> 03:11:00.440 super static. Each group kind of came up with their own thing that they liked. 03:11:02.600 --> 03:11:03.960 So this one's obvious. So 03:11:03.960 --> 03:11:14.340 So the circle triangle T. So in this scenario, I always had the first, okay, so they spawned 03:11:14.340 --> 03:11:18.080 next to each other. That was pretty easy. You don't have to do this move. Let me actually 03:11:18.080 --> 03:11:24.200 do a different one because they, okay, so, oh, this is last one. I'll go over that in 03:11:24.200 --> 03:11:30.000 a second. It's like the first one of the phase. I think they get the first memory 03:11:30.000 --> 03:11:32.480 Yeah, it's like right now the first one is diamond 03:11:33.440 --> 03:11:37.440 Diamonds the the rule here is the first group waits for the constellation 03:11:37.920 --> 03:11:40.640 And then they meet under the boss so they would go here and they would go here 03:11:41.280 --> 03:11:46.320 And no one else moves if you have a one of these other mechanics you are banned from fucking moving 03:11:46.320 --> 03:11:49.920 We actually had a few wipes for people who tried to like get out of the way, but then you just like crash into someone else 03:11:49.920 --> 03:11:51.040 so 03:11:51.040 --> 03:11:52.240 um 03:11:52.240 --> 03:11:55.920 Then after that the teas go to go together and then if we're slow 03:11:55.920 --> 03:12:00.460 So, the last group here, the circles could wait until the constellation to go away, and 03:12:00.460 --> 03:12:05.220 you still have one second after to do it. 03:12:05.220 --> 03:12:06.540 Can you touch non-marked people? 03:12:06.540 --> 03:12:11.660 Yeah, you can run over non-marked people, but if you don't connect these in the correct 03:12:11.660 --> 03:12:15.920 order, it's an instant raid wipe, and if any of the markers run into each other that 03:12:15.920 --> 03:12:18.540 are not the same marker, you instantly die. 03:12:18.540 --> 03:12:19.540 It's like Star Augur. 03:12:19.540 --> 03:12:20.760 Bro, this boss had 03:12:21.680 --> 03:12:23.280 Demensius Raid Split, 03:12:23.880 --> 03:12:25.480 Star Auger Marks, 03:12:27.640 --> 03:12:30.600 a fucking memory game for the first time ever, 03:12:30.600 --> 03:12:34.880 Glaives probably the single hardest mechanic ever in P1, just fucking insane. 03:12:36.800 --> 03:12:39.680 And, and Firak seeds the whole fight. 03:12:40.520 --> 03:12:41.240 That is like, 03:12:41.880 --> 03:12:46.480 they basically just took like every single famous hard mechanic and just slapped it on a fight. 03:12:46.480 --> 03:12:48.000 This is why last week, 03:12:48.000 --> 03:12:51.040 Everyone's like bro liquid's gonna go in there on Tuesday and 03:12:51.720 --> 03:12:57.300 Just like kill everything before you get the reset and I'm sitting here like bro if we kill that boss in one day 03:12:58.440 --> 03:13:03.960 Something insane has happened because it could be easy and it would still be hard. You know what I mean like 03:13:05.040 --> 03:13:11.640 There's it's so like talk about binary pass fail things like literally doing anything if you lose a single player in the first like 03:13:11.640 --> 03:13:13.760 Three minutes of this fight that pulls instantly over 03:13:13.760 --> 03:13:18.520 You don't have enough kicks to even possibly kick terminate unless you play a rest or shaman which you shouldn't do that 03:13:21.160 --> 03:13:24.120 And even assigning backups for those is like how the fuck you even do that 03:13:24.800 --> 03:13:26.800 You don't have a crazy week or a solution anymore 03:13:27.440 --> 03:13:31.440 You can't do a really good interrupt macro or interrupt like 03:13:32.040 --> 03:13:34.040 week or like you used to 03:13:43.760 --> 03:14:02.000 Okay, so that's how this worked. 03:14:02.000 --> 03:14:17.200 phase. Okay. Our last part of P3. Okay, so you get the four marks. They're T triangle circle x. So 03:14:17.200 --> 03:14:23.360 that means T goes first. How we assigned this is like, if you notice some people are closer to the 03:14:23.360 --> 03:14:31.740 boss, like the exact circle we're spreading around is like this, and clearly 03:14:31.740 --> 03:14:36.800 these people are farther from the boss than these people. So the rule was if you 03:14:36.800 --> 03:14:40.980 are farther away from the boss you run to the person who is closer to the boss 03:14:40.980 --> 03:14:44.540 and no one else moves. So how this should be done is this person goes 03:14:44.540 --> 03:14:50.460 here and then after this happens triangles this person would go here 03:14:50.460 --> 03:14:54.960 then circles would go here to here, and then Xs would go here to here. 03:14:54.960 --> 03:15:01.260 Now this is not completely optimal because this involves usually ranged moving to melee, 03:15:01.260 --> 03:15:07.140 which is like technically a DPS loss, because like most melee can hit from range and most range 03:15:07.140 --> 03:15:17.700 lose damage from moving. Did you just draw basketball? Yep. And that's basically how we 03:15:17.700 --> 03:15:24.380 did it. This was the first idea we had, and I don't think it's like the best idea or whatever. 03:15:24.380 --> 03:15:28.060 It's just like, there's like probably five or six ways you could come up with some kind 03:15:28.060 --> 03:15:32.180 of convention for this that are all very similar and you just have to choose one and never 03:15:32.180 --> 03:15:39.220 change it so no one's ever confused and that's just what we did. Because you can't 03:15:39.220 --> 03:15:42.740 meet in the middle. If you meet in the middle, you double cleave this person, which 03:15:42.740 --> 03:15:46.580 is bad anyway because they almost one-shots you. And then also this person has a seed 03:15:46.580 --> 03:15:50.220 So then you would spawn soaks everywhere, which we unfortunately do on some poles, 03:15:50.220 --> 03:15:51.340 but it's still a little confusing. 03:15:51.660 --> 03:15:58.860 So they go there, they go there, circles go there, fire dev goes here, and then they're good. 03:15:58.860 --> 03:16:02.020 And then on the other side, using liquid armory, I can instantly swap point 03:16:02.020 --> 03:16:04.460 of views right before the other side's mechanic. 03:16:04.940 --> 03:16:07.580 This group never got quite as good of a spread. 03:16:07.580 --> 03:16:09.140 They also didn't get the mechanic as much. 03:16:09.140 --> 03:16:11.700 They never got as good at it, but they have X first. 03:16:11.780 --> 03:16:15.140 So how this would work, X already went. 03:16:15.140 --> 03:16:18.500 And then after this we on this one the constellation timer is really tight. So 03:16:19.140 --> 03:16:23.860 We don't have the people go right away. So we do the first one and then we wait. So this time chungus whole 03:16:25.300 --> 03:16:26.820 Went to thd 03:16:26.820 --> 03:16:30.740 This is just like this group. This doesn't follow the same sequence 03:16:31.540 --> 03:16:32.580 but 03:16:32.580 --> 03:16:36.980 This guy loses no damage from running off the boss basically and thd loses damage while moving 03:16:36.980 --> 03:16:40.180 So they just had an agreement that like hey if it's ever like me and you all come to you 03:16:40.180 --> 03:16:41.220 Which is 03:16:41.220 --> 03:16:46.100 Probably a little confusing for most players. I maybe don't recommend that you do that, but for us the optimization really mattered 03:16:49.220 --> 03:16:52.740 And then what's the second one after these teas then we get 03:16:53.940 --> 03:16:58.980 Diamonds so that would be jargi moving on top of chungus life except jargi's just not moving 03:16:59.380 --> 03:17:03.620 See, yeah, so this is a problem. So jargi just waits too long. He should just go 03:17:03.700 --> 03:17:05.700 I'm literally telling him to go right now 03:17:05.860 --> 03:17:09.700 Actually, I might have said wait for constellations, but obviously you don't have to wait for a constellation 03:17:09.700 --> 03:17:13.620 That's not in between you and the person you need to change on so wall life is probably thinking like yo 03:17:13.620 --> 03:17:16.980 When's this one's this little yargi idiot gonna gonna come over here 03:17:17.100 --> 03:17:20.140 He's taken too long and then yargi waits for the constellation to go away 03:17:20.740 --> 03:17:25.900 To start moving but then he moves and now they've cleared on top of the seed person creating soaks 03:17:25.900 --> 03:17:29.140 This is very dangerous, but you can kind of figure it out 03:17:29.740 --> 03:17:31.660 and then 03:17:31.660 --> 03:17:36.540 Yeah, then we ended up getting the two circles to go together, but these soaks are like not too bad in this 03:17:36.540 --> 03:17:38.820 face, okay, and then Zevi died because 03:17:38.820 --> 03:17:42.100 because I believe visuals on this fight are bad. 03:17:42.100 --> 03:17:42.940 Let's see. 03:17:50.140 --> 03:17:51.660 Oh yeah, look at this. 03:17:51.660 --> 03:17:53.680 You wanna see why Zevi dies? 03:17:53.680 --> 03:17:55.040 You guys remember when we drew the lines 03:17:55.040 --> 03:17:56.740 through the constellations earlier? 03:17:58.620 --> 03:18:00.900 Right, about how exactly they pick people 03:18:00.900 --> 03:18:02.260 and it's like, by the way, 03:18:02.260 --> 03:18:04.460 this is the other group's constellation. 03:18:04.460 --> 03:18:06.380 But guess what? 03:18:06.380 --> 03:18:10.380 Guess where there's a consolation circle you can't see 03:18:10.380 --> 03:18:12.500 because it's under this light siphon? 03:18:12.500 --> 03:18:14.260 It's right here. 03:18:14.260 --> 03:18:18.280 And in three, two, one, our priest is dead. 03:18:18.280 --> 03:18:19.900 Yay. 03:18:19.900 --> 03:18:23.100 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 03:18:23.100 --> 03:18:26.300 So yeah, visuals on this fight. 03:18:26.300 --> 03:18:28.640 Major difficulty increase, unfortunately. 03:18:36.380 --> 03:18:48.780 Max, did you guys also have someone from outside the raid clicking on icons in order like Echo, 03:18:48.780 --> 03:18:50.460 or did your players click keybinds? 03:18:50.460 --> 03:18:52.100 No, we had our players do it. 03:18:52.100 --> 03:18:53.340 We thought about outside the raid. 03:18:53.340 --> 03:18:55.860 You can see Zevi's doing it right now. 03:18:55.860 --> 03:18:57.340 Zevi is calling it. 03:18:57.340 --> 03:18:58.700 So I don't think he's looking at the markers. 03:18:58.700 --> 03:19:01.500 He's probably calling what I'm saying. 03:19:01.500 --> 03:19:02.500 But yeah. 03:19:02.500 --> 03:19:04.580 Zevi clicks X right now. 03:19:04.580 --> 03:19:05.860 He clicks T right now. 03:19:05.860 --> 03:19:07.180 He clicks Diamond right now. 03:19:07.180 --> 03:19:12.020 He dies, because he's clicking while a thing is completely invisible, 03:19:12.020 --> 03:19:12.820 which is great. 03:19:12.820 --> 03:19:15.620 But I mean, he clicked this most of the time and didn't die, 03:19:15.620 --> 03:19:16.900 mostly because he could see it. 03:19:22.740 --> 03:19:23.820 It looks like healers and tanks. 03:19:23.820 --> 03:19:25.140 Yeah, it's because of P1. 03:19:25.140 --> 03:19:28.300 We thought about the analyst thing, 03:19:28.300 --> 03:19:30.860 but it was just we don't want to have an analyst just 03:19:30.860 --> 03:19:32.660 like chained to their computer doing this. 03:19:32.660 --> 03:19:33.820 They could probably be more useful. 03:19:33.820 --> 03:19:37.300 Our healers and tanks felt like it wasn't hard to do from being in the raid and doing it 03:19:38.580 --> 03:19:40.580 So we did that also 03:19:40.900 --> 03:19:47.660 We thought that even though what we were doing was completely above board and we told Blizzard how we were gonna use raid chat for maybe a 03:19:47.660 --> 03:19:50.700 tool like this a few months ago they 03:19:52.060 --> 03:19:54.720 We knew that it was gonna look really bad on 03:19:55.100 --> 03:19:59.760 Stream and I mean it did like like people saw it and immediately it was like this huge deal 03:19:59.760 --> 03:20:03.900 even though it was like the most basic thing ever but like when you look at it 03:20:03.900 --> 03:20:08.480 initially you're like it looks like some automated Archimonde bullshit so you're 03:20:08.480 --> 03:20:16.960 like holy fuck this is not above board right and then we thought okay this 03:20:16.960 --> 03:20:22.320 tool is really great we have this this will really help us win and we don't 03:20:22.320 --> 03:20:25.560 really want Blizzard to be that mad about it because it's like it's like 03:20:25.560 --> 03:20:29.280 people in a raid communicating with each other right but as soon as you have 03:20:29.280 --> 03:20:34.100 someone outside the raid do it, I could see Blizzard being infinitely more mad at you doing 03:20:34.100 --> 03:20:35.100 that. 03:20:35.100 --> 03:20:38.760 And that wouldn't ever result in us them banning us or anything. 03:20:38.760 --> 03:20:42.040 It would just maybe make them try to nuke it or something, and then that would affect 03:20:42.040 --> 03:20:43.040 us negatively. 03:20:43.040 --> 03:20:45.720 So, we didn't do it for the reason that it would be annoying. 03:20:45.720 --> 03:20:53.760 It would waste an analyst and then also it was, it, we didn't want to piss those 03:20:53.760 --> 03:21:08.480 it up. Max, picking disk over holy, is it purely DPS decision or is disk just better 03:21:08.480 --> 03:21:19.800 for the damage pattern? I mean disk is just better than holy. You can just leave it at 03:21:19.800 --> 03:21:27.200 I don't understand how they nuked your P1 kick tracker, but not Echoes. 03:21:27.200 --> 03:21:29.400 That looked way worse to me honestly. 03:21:29.400 --> 03:21:30.400 What? 03:21:30.400 --> 03:21:35.560 You don't know why they nerfed the mobs all having like a crazy fucking unique identifier 03:21:35.560 --> 03:21:37.040 over their nameplate? 03:21:37.040 --> 03:21:41.040 Like, I feel like that was the most broken ass looking shit. 03:21:41.040 --> 03:21:46.160 Like it was, all it was doing was basically just automatically marking them. 03:21:46.160 --> 03:21:50.000 It just looked so stupid that I think Blizzard was like, 03:21:50.000 --> 03:21:51.560 yeah, this looks so bad. 03:21:52.560 --> 03:21:53.840 Dude, it's so funny. 03:21:53.840 --> 03:21:56.960 We literally, I can show you what we sent them 03:21:56.960 --> 03:21:58.120 a few months ago. 03:22:00.720 --> 03:22:02.120 The exact picture. 03:22:05.200 --> 03:22:08.200 Let me see if I can find, this is gonna be quite a scroll. 03:22:12.760 --> 03:22:13.600 Yeah, here it is. 03:22:13.600 --> 03:22:16.440 Hey, Blizzard, here's what we're doing. 03:22:16.440 --> 03:22:18.720 Basically, because you can't automatically mark things anymore, 03:22:18.720 --> 03:22:22.480 we found a way to basically just like on any random targets, 03:22:22.480 --> 03:22:26.160 just display some information about the target that isn't secret, 03:22:26.160 --> 03:22:28.200 that just simply allows you to distinct, 03:22:28.200 --> 03:22:30.440 like make them distinct from one another for 03:22:30.440 --> 03:22:32.840 marking like automatic marking reasons. 03:22:32.840 --> 03:22:38.040 They saw this and they acknowledged that they saw it. 03:22:38.040 --> 03:22:47.040 And, you know, they were, whatever, like, yeah, we get it, thank you, thank you for reporting this. 03:22:47.040 --> 03:22:52.040 And then it was like right after we showed this on, let me see if I can find this. 03:22:52.040 --> 03:22:54.040 When did we get to... 03:23:01.040 --> 03:23:04.040 When do we pull, like, these raids? 03:23:04.040 --> 03:23:09.640 Rades, is it trying to find the other message? 03:23:12.520 --> 03:23:13.000 Oh, yeah. 03:23:13.000 --> 03:23:14.960 How are you accomplishing the behavior here, 03:23:14.960 --> 03:23:16.400 showing up at the interrupt tracker? 03:23:21.800 --> 03:23:23.840 Oh, that's a different thing. 03:23:23.840 --> 03:23:25.320 Yeah, they're like number. 03:23:25.320 --> 03:23:27.360 And then we told them, and they fixed that. 03:23:27.360 --> 03:23:28.280 It was before this. 03:23:34.040 --> 03:23:43.160 But it was funny, they were like, upon seeing this in action, we actually hate this. 03:23:43.160 --> 03:23:52.920 And yeah, then you're dead. 03:23:52.920 --> 03:23:55.720 You should have seen the caster's reaction when you guys showed this off. 03:23:55.720 --> 03:23:56.720 It was hilarious. 03:23:56.720 --> 03:24:00.600 Ooh, actually, I kind of do want to watch that. 03:24:00.600 --> 03:24:02.720 Wait, where did it, sorry. 03:24:02.720 --> 03:24:04.720 Where's the echo Q&A? 03:24:06.040 --> 03:24:08.040 Was it on their stream? 03:24:08.040 --> 03:24:12.700 They absolutely just need to keep their heads here. They've lost a person every single time they've... 03:24:13.320 --> 03:24:15.560 And I just like couldn't find it earlier today? 03:24:25.520 --> 03:24:29.920 Scribe did it on his channel. Oh, yeah, I don't usually react to that. 03:24:32.720 --> 03:24:58.480 Mac, is this going to be the new norm sending Blizz screenshots to see how far you can push 03:24:58.480 --> 03:25:00.040 add-ons? 03:25:00.040 --> 03:25:02.680 That's not really what we're doing. 03:25:02.680 --> 03:25:09.420 Basically, there's just ways to get around secret values, which they clearly hid so you 03:25:09.420 --> 03:25:12.920 couldn't do crazy shit with it. 03:25:12.920 --> 03:25:26.760 And there's still some crazy shit you can't do to be clear. 03:25:26.760 --> 03:25:31.800 But yeah, we basically don't want to be in a position where we don't prepare these things 03:25:31.800 --> 03:25:35.400 than our opponents do and then apparently it's okay and then we're in a bad spot. We basically 03:25:35.400 --> 03:25:39.480 prepared everything we thought was possible but obviously we don't want to be using this shit so 03:25:39.480 --> 03:25:43.800 we're like hey we're planning on using this uh is this okay and then also if you want to fix it 03:25:43.800 --> 03:25:48.360 here's exactly how it works and they fixed a ton of shit based on our reporting to them 03:25:48.920 --> 03:25:55.240 which I think is good for everybody uh and then yeah but I mean we kind of can't be in that 03:25:55.240 --> 03:25:58.520 position we can't prepare that stuff and then not ask them if it's okay and then use it and 03:25:58.520 --> 03:25:59.440 and then like get banned. 03:25:59.440 --> 03:26:00.280 That's not an option, right? 03:26:00.280 --> 03:26:02.600 So you have to have to do something. 03:26:05.880 --> 03:26:08.040 How does it feel being the back to back to back 03:26:08.040 --> 03:26:10.220 champions of wow? 03:26:11.400 --> 03:26:14.440 It feels, honestly, every win feels the same. 03:26:14.440 --> 03:26:15.640 It does not feel more significant 03:26:15.640 --> 03:26:17.820 every time we win in a row. 03:26:17.820 --> 03:26:18.660 Every time you win, 03:26:18.660 --> 03:26:20.480 it means you're not depressed for six months 03:26:20.480 --> 03:26:22.520 and there could be no higher stakes than that. 03:26:22.520 --> 03:26:25.120 So it doesn't matter if it's like consecutive, 03:26:25.120 --> 03:26:27.060 it's like, oh, it's like relief. 03:26:28.520 --> 03:26:42.580 Max thoughts on echo having a 10% wipe or one player didn't move with blast prior to you getting the kill 03:26:43.400 --> 03:26:44.860 It's like what that guy said earlier 03:26:44.860 --> 03:26:49.660 It's like max how did it feel that echo could have killed the boss before you kill before you killed it 03:26:49.660 --> 03:26:51.660 But then they messed up and didn't 03:26:51.680 --> 03:26:54.600 Like well, I well first of all, I guess I that's awesome 03:26:54.600 --> 03:26:58.160 Like I'm glad that happened right because that would have been not good if they did kill it 03:26:58.160 --> 03:27:03.840 But I mean also to kill a boss usually you need to have people not kill your whole raid. That's kind of the point so 03:27:04.760 --> 03:27:09.880 Like literally the entire last phase is just not having one person kill your whole raid. That's just what it is 03:27:24.600 --> 03:27:36.040 Max with how good wind walker is in damage amp scenarios was there any thought to bring 03:27:36.040 --> 03:27:41.560 it in the last season like a dam I don't know it no there was not a thought of bringing 03:27:41.560 --> 03:27:47.560 when Walker names your question do you fear that if echo keeps on losing they will disband 03:27:47.560 --> 03:27:52.520 nah I think they would maybe disband if they were getting shit on like if you keep losing 03:27:52.520 --> 03:27:59.280 and like you're getting fucking smoked and you don't have a chance then maybe like I could 03:27:59.280 --> 03:28:03.460 see that being true of us like if we lose a raid but I thought we played really well 03:28:03.460 --> 03:28:07.320 and someone else was just better we wouldn't die but if we ever did a raid and like everything 03:28:07.320 --> 03:28:11.880 went wrong and we were trash like I don't know we could die because like what are we 03:28:11.880 --> 03:28:15.760 even doing here you know if that's the case like what would we have to change for 03:28:15.760 --> 03:28:21.560 this not to be true if it went that poorly so um yeah I don't know I don't really 03:28:21.560 --> 03:28:23.800 I think so, Echo's been really good, so no. 03:28:25.040 --> 03:28:26.640 What's your favorite moment this race? 03:28:26.640 --> 03:28:27.840 The Shaq wordle thing? 03:28:27.840 --> 03:28:29.880 Yeah, the Shaq wordle thing is one of the funniest things 03:28:29.880 --> 03:28:31.240 that's ever happened in my life. 03:28:31.240 --> 03:28:33.020 That is very funny. 03:28:51.560 --> 03:28:57.480 You don't think they risk losing sponsors? No, funny enough, the race to world first esport is 03:28:58.120 --> 03:29:02.840 and getting sponsors and stuff is actually like kind of just based on viewership and hype and 03:29:02.840 --> 03:29:07.640 interest because that's actually what makes you money and because you don't get a single thing 03:29:07.640 --> 03:29:15.400 for winning at all. You just need that all right like and uh and business is good so I imagine 03:29:15.400 --> 03:29:16.400 and they'll be fine. 03:29:34.520 --> 03:29:37.440 Max of Echo or another guild got world first. 03:29:37.440 --> 03:29:40.240 Would you ever tell the raid right away 03:29:40.240 --> 03:29:41.840 or wait to keep morale high? 03:29:41.840 --> 03:29:44.480 Yeah, we'd definitely like, you know, 03:29:44.480 --> 03:29:48.200 talk for a few minutes, talk about the tier, probably take a long break if it's in the 03:29:48.200 --> 03:29:51.680 middle of the day, because obviously what are we even doing now, it doesn't matter. 03:29:51.680 --> 03:29:56.320 And then if it was even past 10 p.m. at night, which we normally raid until midnight, we 03:29:56.320 --> 03:30:00.120 would instantly just end our raid and just start again tomorrow. 03:30:00.120 --> 03:30:04.000 Because as soon as you lose world first, everything's irrelevant, and people are 03:30:04.000 --> 03:30:09.760 really exhausted and would like to sleep, so. 03:30:09.760 --> 03:30:21.160 Max echo keep pulling the boss when other guilds killed it. They don't take a break. Yeah, I've always find that very fascinating about them 03:30:21.160 --> 03:30:23.480 We mentioned that I talked about this earlier, but I don't 03:30:24.120 --> 03:30:28.720 Apparently their players vote to keep going or not and that means their players are voting 03:30:28.720 --> 03:30:35.600 Yes, which is just they are just built crazy different than us because if we put a vote up at fucking midnight after losing to continue pulling 03:30:35.600 --> 03:30:42.520 after we've already lost the answer would be all 20 people saying no and if I even questioned that they would kill me in real life 03:30:42.840 --> 03:30:47.440 And I don't I don't understand what the difference is between the two guilds in that way 03:30:49.360 --> 03:30:53.160 But it's it is a noticeable difference I don't really understand it 03:31:05.600 --> 03:31:13.440 Max, it was frustrating to watch you guys take so many breaks before you guys won. 03:31:13.440 --> 03:31:15.240 Some of those breaks were not planned. 03:31:15.240 --> 03:31:18.720 We actually had a player who was not feeling well. 03:31:18.720 --> 03:31:20.240 They were like literally throwing up. 03:31:20.240 --> 03:31:23.360 So, I mean, get back in your chair. 03:31:23.360 --> 03:31:28.080 Like, you know what I'm saying, like, what are you, what are you going to do? 03:31:28.080 --> 03:31:35.560 Dude fucking throwing up mid-pole, like, you know, so, yeah, I mean, can you 03:31:35.560 --> 03:31:40.200 can't really do anything about that. And then, yeah. So the thing is, we've learned this before, 03:31:40.200 --> 03:31:46.520 like even in this scenario where we have been in this dementia situation, and literally a day 03:31:46.520 --> 03:31:50.680 before we actually won, we were in this situation, we're like, I mean, hey, you're in a, you're in a 03:31:50.680 --> 03:31:56.120 battle for first and lunch, it's lunchtime. What do you do? You keep pulling, okay, what happens 03:31:56.120 --> 03:32:00.120 an hour from now? What happens two hours from now? And now your polls are getting exponentially 03:32:00.120 --> 03:32:03.800 worse because everyone's hungry, which is probably even worse than being tired as far as your 03:32:03.800 --> 03:32:09.640 performance. So like the you can't at some point you just have to do it right. Also for people who 03:32:09.640 --> 03:32:18.680 were at home, they are people for people at home they like have to order food and has to be there 03:32:18.680 --> 03:32:22.840 at a certain time people at the EU facility and a facility the food is made at a certain time if 03:32:22.840 --> 03:32:27.560 you do it an hour or two later eating cold food you know saying like that you kind of just 03:32:27.560 --> 03:32:32.120 have to eat lunch also breaks are not a negative thing I have people feel like race 03:32:32.120 --> 03:32:38.800 First viewers are just like why would you ever break like bro breaks are so OP you come back from a break and you just straight fuck bosses like 03:32:39.240 --> 03:32:45.100 Bray break giving these people a break to like walk around and come back to their computer on such an insanely hard fight 03:32:45.100 --> 03:32:47.100 They play so much better 03:32:47.240 --> 03:32:48.480 And 03:32:48.480 --> 03:32:53.040 Yeah, I mean I mean obviously viewers don't understand that and I mean also there was one awkward moment 03:32:53.040 --> 03:32:56.740 It was before we knew there was a secret phase and we were like both echoed us for wiping really low 03:32:56.740 --> 03:32:59.860 And we went to take our lunch and I have to do ad reads during my lunch break 03:32:59.860 --> 03:33:03.760 And like I'm sitting here and I know that all of chat is like 03:33:05.360 --> 03:33:10.080 Just like how are they taking a break? I don't understand you could lose it any moment 03:33:10.080 --> 03:33:11.880 How how are you possibly doing this? 03:33:11.880 --> 03:33:17.280 And then I like unmute my mic to my stream or I mute my team speak just to talk straight to my stream like hey guys 03:33:17.280 --> 03:33:19.280 Let me like tell you about our clothes. I 03:33:20.040 --> 03:33:23.640 Have you ever heard about liquid armory? What about alien wear and they're just like bro 03:33:23.640 --> 03:33:28.120 Are you fucking kidding me right now? Like you're like this is happening and you're you're talking you're doing it 03:33:28.120 --> 03:33:29.120 That's bad right now. 03:33:44.660 --> 03:33:46.820 Max, in terms of nerfs for wind chime, 03:33:46.820 --> 03:33:48.540 do you think it would have been an over nerf 03:33:48.540 --> 03:33:52.180 if they made the interrupts stunnable and silenceable? 03:33:52.180 --> 03:33:53.460 I mean, yeah, that would have been a massive nerf. 03:33:53.460 --> 03:33:54.700 Yeah, to P1. 03:33:56.620 --> 03:33:57.860 It's really hard to do those kicks. 03:33:57.860 --> 03:34:18.260 like really fast. Dude, it's so funny before your rates started everyone's 03:34:18.260 --> 03:34:23.340 telling I had a run to your hotel to wake you guys up hours early. Yeah, I mean 03:34:23.340 --> 03:34:30.320 people just don't understand like yeah there's sleep and breaks are the race to 03:34:30.320 --> 03:34:35.160 world first viewers kryptonite they just have no concept of how that works or 03:34:35.160 --> 03:34:39.360 why you would do those things but it's like dude echoes about to echoes like 03:34:39.360 --> 03:34:43.000 having really good polls that means you should wake up after you stayed up two 03:34:43.000 --> 03:34:46.980 hours late we stayed up two hours late and started our raid one hour late so 03:34:46.980 --> 03:34:50.000 we ended up losing an hour of sleep that we normally get and what we're 03:34:50.000 --> 03:34:52.640 gonna lose two more hours of sleep by the way after people like drink 03:34:52.640 --> 03:34:58.480 caffeine to stay up to like go all night and like like and they probably slept 03:34:58.480 --> 03:35:01.120 like three or four hours because they thought they might lose like oh yeah 03:35:01.120 --> 03:35:05.640 let's let's just wake them up even earlier and just come in and just not 03:35:05.640 --> 03:35:08.720 be able to even pull the boss because you'll be so bad at it you know like 03:35:08.720 --> 03:35:12.440 people just don't understand like dude when you wake up after a fresh good 03:35:12.440 --> 03:35:20.080 sleep. You're performing just so much better. 03:35:25.840 --> 03:35:30.680 Like basically look at it this way like when we are choosing to like sleep as 03:35:30.680 --> 03:35:35.840 long as we do we are weight making what we believe is the decision that will 03:35:35.840 --> 03:35:39.880 help us kill the boss as fast as possible. 03:35:42.440 --> 03:35:56.440 for us. So like, you don't really think about another team as much in that scenario, you're just like, what is going to kill the boss faster for us? And oftentimes getting an extra hour of sleep will actually have you kill the boss faster than not. 03:35:56.440 --> 03:36:09.080 not. Max, are you guys taking a fuck ton of creatine after all the recent research about 03:36:09.080 --> 03:36:16.680 how good it is for brain power? I know, I know we've been using creatine for a few races. 03:36:16.680 --> 03:36:20.440 Our players, I remember like if you, people have gotten like headaches while playing the 03:36:20.440 --> 03:36:25.880 game and then like they'll just like slam a shitload of creatine and feel amazing 03:36:25.880 --> 03:36:32.680 After they like shit their brains out because like if you mix caffeine and creatine, it's like not great. But uh, but yeah, you like 03:36:33.480 --> 03:36:35.960 You it does does help headaches a little bit 03:36:36.760 --> 03:36:38.120 um 03:36:38.120 --> 03:36:40.600 And then yeah, I mean I did I creatine blasted one day 03:36:40.600 --> 03:36:43.560 I was feeling a little down one day talked to nada about it and she was like, yeah 03:36:43.560 --> 03:36:48.760 I didn't know you don't normally take this much creatine. I take five milligrams for like, uh, like athletic performance 03:36:49.640 --> 03:36:52.680 But I've never like blasted like 15 to 20 03:36:52.680 --> 03:36:58.480 before and it was noticeable. Like it was when you're when like late into a day 03:36:58.480 --> 03:37:03.240 and you're already just peak exhausted from doing this for so long like it is 03:37:03.240 --> 03:37:08.040 uh it is very sale like it is noticeably better. 03:37:08.040 --> 03:37:24.520 Max, Echo and Liquid were total opposite on breaks. Echo were constantly pushing to cut 03:37:24.520 --> 03:37:28.920 breaks and food short, and you guys weren't letting that happen. I would love to cut our 03:37:28.920 --> 03:37:33.920 breaks short, but again, I make most of the decisions in the guild under the premise 03:37:33.920 --> 03:37:37.760 that I don't want the raiders to kill me in real life. 03:37:37.760 --> 03:37:40.960 And we've tried to shorten our breaks 03:37:40.960 --> 03:37:44.080 before in previous tiers, and they want me dead. 03:37:44.080 --> 03:37:47.640 So I've learned that clearly that's important to them, 03:37:47.640 --> 03:37:48.880 and it helps them reset. 03:37:48.880 --> 03:37:50.440 And certain breaks aren't long enough 03:37:50.440 --> 03:37:53.160 to actually eat food or actually mentally 03:37:53.160 --> 03:37:56.560 reset from the poles. 03:37:56.560 --> 03:37:57.040 So yeah. 03:38:00.320 --> 03:38:02.120 Who are you the most afraid of killing you? 03:38:03.920 --> 03:38:14.200 I mean you're basically asking like I mean this the killing thing is like obviously hyperbole like who gets the most upset about like 03:38:14.760 --> 03:38:16.760 shorter break times 03:38:18.200 --> 03:38:25.480 Probably I mean this tier Yipps was definitely Yipps was just like over this tier because we had just been playing for like so long 03:38:26.360 --> 03:38:29.900 But that wasn't like anything to do with anyone, but also like EU 03:38:30.680 --> 03:38:32.680 Has their food ready at a certain time? 03:38:33.920 --> 03:38:38.000 It was like pre-made because like obviously during our dinner time 03:38:38.000 --> 03:38:39.280 It's like in the middle of the night for them 03:38:39.280 --> 03:38:40.800 They don't have a chef there in the middle of the night 03:38:40.800 --> 03:38:47.040 So they have food that they heat up in an oven and then they eat and like it's ready at a certain time and 03:38:47.920 --> 03:38:50.800 like if what the Yip's got mad about was 03:38:52.200 --> 03:38:58.960 It's like dinner time the race isn't going to end anytime soon and like we had a good pull and 03:38:58.960 --> 03:39:03.680 And Boomi is like, and this is good, you need these people to go. 03:39:03.680 --> 03:39:05.640 Boomi is like, just keep doing pull timers. 03:39:05.640 --> 03:39:07.040 Like let's just keep pulling the boss. 03:39:07.960 --> 03:39:13.720 And he did one at like 7.04 PM and we just did an extra pull and that made 03:39:13.720 --> 03:39:14.680 you it's really mad. 03:39:14.880 --> 03:39:16.240 And I think that was valid too. 03:39:16.240 --> 03:39:18.480 Like we talked about it afterwards and we're like, yeah, we shouldn't have done that. 03:39:18.480 --> 03:39:21.760 And which, which made sense. 03:39:28.960 --> 03:39:44.960 Um, but I don't think who's most likely to kill you basically who complains the most about I mean definitely Sarri when he was here like Sarri if you stayed up a minute past your bedtime for any reason we were all dead. 03:39:44.960 --> 03:39:46.960 We were all fucking dead. 03:39:58.960 --> 03:40:10.080 But now he's in Echo. Yeah, exactly. Which is like, we talk about that all the time. Like, 03:40:10.080 --> 03:40:14.640 that was literally what we were talking about in current Raiders yesterday, because we were 03:40:14.640 --> 03:40:18.280 like, they lost and then now they're playing into the middle of the night. And like, bro, 03:40:18.280 --> 03:40:34.680 If we ever did that in our guild, he would kill all of us. 03:40:34.680 --> 03:40:35.680 In game, right? 03:40:35.680 --> 03:40:36.680 No. 03:40:36.680 --> 03:40:45.440 No, not in game. 03:40:45.440 --> 03:41:08.780 kill. Did he leave or get replaced? Kiga offered from Echo and we didn't match it. Like basically 03:41:08.780 --> 03:41:14.240 Echo offered him more money than we pay any of our players and we just didn't think it 03:41:14.240 --> 03:41:17.680 It would be fair to pay him that over our other players, 03:41:17.680 --> 03:41:18.840 so we didn't do that. 03:41:19.800 --> 03:41:22.520 But I think he also just like maybe wanted to go there. 03:41:22.520 --> 03:41:23.640 I don't know, like I, 03:41:26.080 --> 03:41:28.920 like it, for some Europeans playing on NA 03:41:28.920 --> 03:41:29.760 doesn't really matter. 03:41:29.760 --> 03:41:31.820 Maybe you're degenerate and you stay up all night anyway, 03:41:31.820 --> 03:41:34.520 and then it's like NA hours doesn't really bother you. 03:41:36.720 --> 03:41:37.560 But, 03:41:37.560 --> 03:41:53.560 They, some Europeans live in more normal lifestyle and maybe they like have some friends on EU that they play with and like it's really hard to juggle an EU account and an NA account and have an EU sleep schedule and play NA farm times. 03:41:53.560 --> 03:41:59.560 And I think that he was one of those people where that just like didn't work very well for him. 03:41:59.560 --> 03:42:04.560 But, yeah, is Echo able to compete on salary? 03:42:04.560 --> 03:42:12.560 I mean, I know generally speaking over the past few years, we have definitely been able to pay our players more. 03:42:12.560 --> 03:42:17.560 I don't know what their pay structure is as far as per player, if it's tiered or whatever. 03:42:17.560 --> 03:42:27.560 But I know that the average raider in our guild, this is maybe outdated information. 03:42:27.560 --> 03:42:32.560 information at least as of a year ago. This was true makes more and it used to be significantly more. 03:42:32.560 --> 03:42:46.560 Um, but yeah, they made it. I don't know if they like are paying Sarri a lot more than they pay the rest of their players because like healers are super hard to find or like they they wanted to entice him to join and maybe that would really help them. 03:42:46.560 --> 03:42:51.360 I'm not actually I don't know anything about their financial situation, but yeah 03:43:16.560 --> 03:43:22.040 Max at this point is winning or getting second actually affect income for the guild 03:43:23.240 --> 03:43:25.240 um 03:43:25.920 --> 03:43:30.320 Like in the short term no, but like I feel like when it comes to 03:43:30.640 --> 03:43:39.560 Resigning with team liquid. I think winning absolutely matters like team liquid prides themselves on winning like they I think they care about winning more than like every other 03:43:39.560 --> 03:43:42.600 NA eSports org they fucking are obsessed with that shit 03:43:42.600 --> 03:43:47.600 So like I think it would affect their ability to resign us which would give us more value 03:43:47.600 --> 03:43:52.880 Which would make us more money so in that way yes, but we are just getting off like a five or six-year deal with them so like 03:43:56.120 --> 03:44:01.760 In between that time like when we weren't resigning with them, I don't think it really would have mattered no 03:44:03.000 --> 03:44:05.160 Because like your viewership is kind of the same either way 03:44:12.600 --> 03:44:20.400 Max, has anyone left or been cut since winning this tier? 03:44:20.400 --> 03:44:22.720 No, we were happy with the people this tier. 03:44:22.720 --> 03:44:29.520 At least personally, I don't think we're going to demote anyone, but maybe that's wrong. 03:44:29.520 --> 03:44:32.440 Sometimes people getting demoted isn't because they're doing anything wrong, it's because 03:44:32.440 --> 03:44:36.840 they don't feel a very specific niche for the guild anymore. 03:44:36.840 --> 03:44:42.120 Also, if you're not constantly recruiting to improve your roster, even if you're 03:44:42.120 --> 03:44:45.960 happy with your roster you're like falling behind right if there's if there's talent out there 03:44:47.000 --> 03:44:49.480 but yeah currently no we're pretty happy with our whole guild so 03:44:52.840 --> 03:45:05.960 does someone other than you make roster calls yeah all the all the officers do that 03:45:12.120 --> 03:45:18.540 Did you argue you passed this trial? 03:45:18.540 --> 03:45:30.400 We don't do trials. 03:45:30.400 --> 03:45:45.400 Who are the officers in liquid? 03:45:45.400 --> 03:45:48.400 Me and Scott are co-gms. 03:45:48.400 --> 03:45:51.040 And then, I mean, that's not the question you asked. 03:45:51.040 --> 03:45:59.400 Me, Scott, Nick, Boom, Zasevi, Bubba, Lummel. 03:45:59.400 --> 03:46:04.400 door of on. 03:46:04.400 --> 03:46:09.400 Did I nail that? 03:46:19.400 --> 03:46:24.400 Did I nail that shit? I think I did. 03:46:24.400 --> 03:46:35.060 Does tags count tags has not been around the guild for years, but that tags was an officer 03:46:35.060 --> 03:46:37.400 Ben was an officer. 03:46:37.400 --> 03:46:43.100 Ben still has officer rank in our discord now even though he hasn't played here in over 03:46:43.100 --> 03:46:44.600 a thousand days. 03:46:44.600 --> 03:46:53.880 He's a he's a he's just still there fucking pipes up every now and then. 03:46:53.880 --> 03:46:56.960 But also we just play games all the time. 03:46:56.960 --> 03:47:04.960 Max, do you happen to remember who you benched during Holander's because of poor bomb performance? 03:47:04.960 --> 03:47:08.280 Yes. 03:47:08.280 --> 03:47:23.120 Have you considered putting hopeful on a different class because you already have fired up on 03:47:23.120 --> 03:47:31.040 mage, how do you decide which one to run. I mean, yeah, I mean, if there's a tier where 03:47:31.040 --> 03:47:35.620 we think mage is terrible and you're only running one for the raid buff, we could absolutely 03:47:35.620 --> 03:47:43.720 have hopeful play something else. We have a few classes that make sense for that. But 03:47:43.720 --> 03:47:48.200 this tier and like most tiers, you like kind of always want two mages ready to go, 03:47:48.200 --> 03:47:56.680 So he'll probably end up playing Mage like 90 plus percent of the time. 03:47:56.680 --> 03:48:04.440 Him and Firenep work really well together, as far as I can see. 03:48:04.440 --> 03:48:07.180 How do you avoid players from getting burnt out? 03:48:07.180 --> 03:48:10.800 You try to not make them make 20 characters when an expansion comes out, but unfortunately 03:48:10.800 --> 03:48:12.800 we're not doing very well at that right now. 03:48:21.040 --> 03:48:23.040 Why did you bench hopeful for Lura? 03:48:24.000 --> 03:48:25.440 We didn't bench. 03:48:25.440 --> 03:48:27.440 I feel like that comes like a negative connotation. 03:48:29.120 --> 03:48:31.120 We just weren't playing too major, so. 03:48:40.800 --> 03:48:42.800 Max, are you actually retiring? 03:48:42.800 --> 03:48:43.800 No. 03:48:43.800 --> 03:48:46.800 I love doing this. 03:48:46.800 --> 03:48:51.800 The only thing I've ever thought about with like stopping doing this is I don't know if it's healthy for me. 03:48:51.800 --> 03:48:58.800 Like when the race is like getting close to the end, I legit like struggle to go to sleep. 03:48:58.800 --> 03:49:04.800 And I'm like waking up with my stomach and knots all day just seeing how far another guild got. 03:49:04.800 --> 03:49:15.320 and I don't eat, I barely sleep, and like I don't know if that's like good for me as 03:49:15.320 --> 03:49:19.120 like a human. Like I don't know exactly what that is like maybe some people when 03:49:19.120 --> 03:49:22.720 they compete in things like that just doesn't affect them they're just like 03:49:22.720 --> 03:49:29.040 built crazy and they just don't they don't have those feelings they just they 03:49:29.040 --> 03:49:36.760 just like are normal. But I'm not. So I just care too much. So I, I just feel like it's 03:49:36.760 --> 03:49:43.280 like probably really bad for me. I lose like a lot of weight every race from that, like 03:49:43.280 --> 03:49:50.280 bad weight, right? I don't really need to lose weight and I lose weight anyway. 03:50:13.280 --> 03:50:27.520 Max, do you dream about the fights during the race? 03:50:27.520 --> 03:50:31.880 I do, but they're not good dreams. 03:50:31.880 --> 03:50:36.480 My girlfriend says that I raid lead in my sleep, like I like sleep talk and I don't 03:50:36.480 --> 03:50:40.560 do that all year round except for when the race is happening. 03:50:40.560 --> 03:50:46.400 I usually wake up and I'm really stressing out over figuring out how a certain mechanic works. 03:50:49.440 --> 03:50:54.160 And then it takes me a while to realize that I'm trying to solve a mechanic that doesn't exist. 03:50:54.160 --> 03:50:58.480 Like basically posing the question in my head of like, what if this fight had a healer absorb? 03:50:59.680 --> 03:51:03.840 A healing absorb. And it just doesn't. And I'm just like literally racking my brain on how the 03:51:03.840 --> 03:51:07.200 fuck we could even handle that on top of how hard the boss is. And then I have to remember 03:51:07.200 --> 03:51:12.480 that that's not actually a mechanic like some kind of like PTSD shit it's it's really weird it happens 03:51:12.480 --> 03:51:24.080 every race bro maybe you should quit yes i'm saying bro i don't like i'm pretty sure this 03:51:24.080 --> 03:51:30.160 shit is like at the end of near the like when i'm old like i'm gonna be fucked just straight 03:51:30.160 --> 03:51:32.160 like my brain is going to be ruined. 03:52:00.160 --> 03:52:27.560 Watch the cams thing. 03:52:27.560 --> 03:52:40.920 All right, where can I even find this? 03:52:40.920 --> 03:52:50.400 Was it after the race? 03:52:50.400 --> 03:52:51.400 after your interview. 03:52:51.400 --> 03:53:08.000 Oh, is it blowing up? 03:53:08.000 --> 03:53:09.000 It might be blowing up. 03:53:09.000 --> 03:53:11.040 Oh, no, this is still working. 03:53:11.040 --> 03:53:18.760 I don't know if anyone else uses Firefox, but I've noticed specifically on Twitch, it 03:53:18.760 --> 03:53:24.120 like it'll just blow like twitch will just blow up and not work for like a full minute 03:53:24.120 --> 03:53:38.520 and then it's fine. It's just twitch. I mean I don't have it happen work on any other 03:53:38.520 --> 03:53:45.600 browser maybe it's other things too. See it's like completely broken right now and 03:53:45.600 --> 03:53:47.600 and then in a minute it'll be fine. 03:54:01.100 --> 03:54:01.940 Here we go. 03:54:03.500 --> 03:54:05.740 Oh, somebody has been. 03:54:05.740 --> 03:54:07.440 So they are doing the credits. 03:54:07.440 --> 03:54:14.440 Okay. 03:54:14.440 --> 03:54:30.440 Alright everybody we're going to get started with this very shortly so just to talk to 03:54:30.440 --> 03:54:34.440 you the runner show with everybody on the broadcast line and the talent here we're going 03:54:34.440 --> 03:54:43.840 I've never been good at public speaking. 03:54:43.840 --> 03:54:52.640 I've been told that my dry manner of speech can be off-putting in cringe. 03:54:52.640 --> 03:54:56.800 When the whole world is watching. 03:54:56.800 --> 03:54:58.800 Louder? 03:54:58.800 --> 03:55:05.800 Uh, oh no, my 600% sound volume thing is gone. 03:55:05.800 --> 03:55:09.800 I can't turn it up anymore. 03:55:09.800 --> 03:55:12.800 Oh shit, servers are up. 03:55:12.800 --> 03:55:16.800 It is important that I make a good impression. 03:55:16.800 --> 03:55:17.800 And Aya? 03:55:17.800 --> 03:55:21.800 I was going to do everything I could to be more charming and likeable. 03:55:21.800 --> 03:55:23.800 Four, three, two, one. 03:55:23.800 --> 03:55:26.800 If I can move two, open mics. 03:55:26.800 --> 03:55:32.400 Hello everybody and welcome to the Team Liquid Race World 1st. My name is Aya and I am here with Cams. 03:55:32.400 --> 03:55:36.800 We've got a very exciting tier laid out ahead of us with Manaforge on Mega. Are you excited for this race? 03:55:36.800 --> 03:55:40.800 Yeah, I'm very excited. The guild has done so far things were going well. 03:55:40.800 --> 03:55:42.800 They're of our palace. 03:55:42.800 --> 03:55:44.800 And they had to be. 03:55:44.800 --> 03:55:50.800 Because everything I was saying, I'm pretty excited about this. 03:55:50.800 --> 03:55:54.800 And for your word, I had rehearsed dozens of times. 03:55:54.800 --> 03:56:05.520 time. What? And although they didn't know it, the guild was counting on them for their 03:56:05.520 --> 03:56:21.280 success. Wait, this is sick! Oh, that's smart. Yeah, it kind of felt pretty Nathan Fielder. 03:56:24.800 --> 03:56:33.600 There's a specific feeling of excitement and anxiety that you get when you know what race 03:56:33.600 --> 03:56:44.800 is coming up that is unlike anything else. 03:56:44.800 --> 03:56:48.640 You wonder if things will go well. 03:56:48.640 --> 03:56:51.560 Who's going to be there? 03:56:51.560 --> 03:56:55.240 What color will I be painted? 03:56:55.240 --> 03:57:01.920 And most importantly, are we going to win? 03:57:01.920 --> 03:57:05.200 This time was no different. 03:57:05.200 --> 03:57:06.200 How long is this? 03:57:06.200 --> 03:57:11.240 When I received my email from Team Liquid containing my flight details, I noticed that 03:57:11.240 --> 03:57:14.040 there was a flex there. 03:57:14.040 --> 03:57:15.040 Right now I'm still in. 03:57:15.040 --> 03:57:20.480 Which gave me an idea. 03:57:20.480 --> 03:57:28.040 Every tier race gets more and more popular, better in quality, and grander in scale. 03:57:28.040 --> 03:57:30.840 What else could we possibly improve? 03:57:30.840 --> 03:57:36.840 If time after time we manage to make race better, but all our fears stay exactly the 03:57:36.840 --> 03:57:49.820 same, then maybe it was time to take a race out of the equation. 03:57:49.820 --> 03:58:12.020 So I left Utah to figure out how. 03:58:12.020 --> 03:58:13.020 Like why? 03:58:13.020 --> 03:58:18.940 Like how does production have time to just make an entire movie? 03:58:18.940 --> 03:58:23.940 while we're doing the race. Like, when does this even go down? 03:58:31.940 --> 03:58:34.940 Oh, splits? Yeah, probably. 03:58:48.940 --> 03:58:54.060 important that I be as discreet as possible. 03:58:54.060 --> 03:58:59.860 So at night, after all the employees had gone home, I could find a way to guarantee us the 03:58:59.860 --> 03:59:04.060 win. 03:59:04.060 --> 03:59:14.060 When I first started my WoW journey, I was able to be a raider for a guild called Limit. 03:59:14.060 --> 03:59:19.320 The people at home always get to see the glitz and the glamour of the race, the pop-ups, the 03:59:19.320 --> 03:59:20.320 bricks. 03:59:20.320 --> 03:59:26.640 But what they don't show you is the endless hours raiders put in to be the best, stuck 03:59:26.640 --> 03:59:30.560 in dimly lit rooms, day in and out. 03:59:30.560 --> 03:59:36.300 And with something as strenuous as that, tensions can run high. 03:59:36.300 --> 03:59:41.280 When I was younger it was easy to focus on my cooldowns, focus on my character and 03:59:41.280 --> 03:59:42.320 Just let things be. 03:59:45.440 --> 03:59:47.440 They did not make this during the race. 03:59:47.440 --> 03:59:51.940 This was made for worse for a long time, I'm pretty sure. 03:59:51.940 --> 03:59:53.480 Cause like they showed some. 03:59:54.960 --> 03:59:55.800 Don't do. 03:59:55.800 --> 03:59:56.640 What? 03:59:56.640 --> 03:59:58.120 There's a difference between world first. 03:59:58.120 --> 03:59:58.960 Eight months. 03:59:58.960 --> 04:00:00.400 Oh yeah, okay. 04:00:00.400 --> 04:00:02.560 It's easy to get stun locked 04:00:02.560 --> 04:00:05.760 and not be able to do anything at all. 04:00:05.760 --> 04:00:07.160 And at the center of it all, 04:00:07.160 --> 04:00:08.960 we're rave leaders like Maxima. 04:00:11.280 --> 04:00:15.180 Oh Jesus, I hate everything about me 04:00:20.960 --> 04:00:23.980 This I thought might be where my answers were 04:00:23.980 --> 04:00:41.860 Oh, wait, yeah, this is not, this is from last year. 04:00:41.860 --> 04:00:43.380 Different audio interface. 04:00:43.380 --> 04:00:45.380 What is that? 04:00:45.380 --> 04:00:50.380 I'd have to truly understand Max. 04:00:50.380 --> 04:00:53.380 This is so stupid. 04:01:13.380 --> 04:01:17.180 All right, because the group's so cool. 04:01:17.180 --> 04:01:18.660 Why are you DMing US Hockey? 04:01:18.660 --> 04:01:20.260 Burned over DM to US Hockey? 04:01:20.260 --> 04:01:21.100 Hold on. 04:01:21.100 --> 04:01:21.600 Hold on a second. 04:01:29.340 --> 04:01:33.060 It's someone who got banned on their main account. 04:01:33.060 --> 04:01:35.620 And they made a thing called US Hockey. 04:01:35.620 --> 04:01:43.060 So I would open it and think it was US hockey damming me 04:01:43.980 --> 04:01:45.980 So I would unban them 04:01:47.780 --> 04:01:52.040 That's I mean that means they really care that's pretty fucking good 04:01:54.580 --> 04:01:59.540 Yeah lunch into about 10 minutes living is max for a couple of days just call it early 04:01:59.940 --> 04:02:03.700 Get in there get back in here and bang this thing. I felt I was getting the hang of it 04:02:05.620 --> 04:02:08.620 This is it, Fugus. 04:02:08.620 --> 04:02:10.620 No, why are you doing that? 04:02:10.620 --> 04:02:11.620 Okay, we can talk about it after. 04:02:11.620 --> 04:02:12.620 It's okay, it's okay. 04:02:12.620 --> 04:02:14.620 But still, I knew something critical was missing, 04:02:14.620 --> 04:02:17.620 which was keeping me from being totally immersed in the experience. 04:02:17.620 --> 04:02:18.620 Everything you've got. 04:02:18.620 --> 04:02:19.620 Watch your feet. 04:02:19.620 --> 04:02:20.620 Watch your feet. 04:02:20.620 --> 04:02:21.620 The rest is gone. 04:02:21.620 --> 04:02:22.620 Yes! 04:02:22.620 --> 04:02:27.620 Since I couldn't afford to pay any actors to help fill in the gaps, 04:02:27.620 --> 04:02:30.620 I had but one choice... 04:02:30.620 --> 04:02:33.620 to do it myself. 04:02:33.620 --> 04:02:38.620 So, see if I see. 04:02:38.620 --> 04:02:39.620 So. 04:02:39.620 --> 04:02:40.620 I recorded myself. 04:02:40.620 --> 04:02:53.620 Is every single layer in the guild, which would hopefully make my resursal as realistic 04:02:53.620 --> 04:02:54.620 as possible. 04:02:54.620 --> 04:03:00.620 Do you think we need two warlocks on this fight, THD, or do we just need two more 04:03:00.620 --> 04:03:04.780 two warlocks on this fight thd or do we just need the gateways that something we 04:03:04.780 --> 04:03:09.740 can get away with works okay no mate check this out oh no shak not not bad no 04:03:09.740 --> 04:03:14.500 max what do we even need you here for okay 04:03:14.500 --> 04:03:17.500 Alright, this is good to school, that's three. 04:03:17.500 --> 04:03:18.500 Nice, nice, nice. 04:03:18.500 --> 04:03:20.500 In up, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, kick, cut it, cut it, cut it. 04:03:20.500 --> 04:03:21.500 Mind up, check this out. 04:03:21.500 --> 04:03:22.500 Okay, mate. 04:03:22.500 --> 04:03:23.500 Woo! 04:03:23.500 --> 04:03:24.500 Alright, you got it. 04:03:24.500 --> 04:03:26.500 Coming in three, two, one. 04:03:26.500 --> 04:03:27.500 Okay, good. 04:03:27.500 --> 04:03:29.500 Good job, now get over there, get over there. 04:03:29.500 --> 04:03:31.500 It was nice being back in the guild account. 04:03:31.500 --> 04:03:32.500 Over here. 04:03:32.500 --> 04:03:33.500 Alright, good. 04:03:33.500 --> 04:03:34.500 Okay, everybody get together. 04:03:34.500 --> 04:03:36.500 This is easy, you can take that over there. 04:03:36.500 --> 04:03:38.500 Just plant here, we'll be with this on the thing. 04:03:38.500 --> 04:03:39.500 But after weeks of rehearsals. 04:03:39.500 --> 04:03:41.500 We need a time trial, it was not... 04:03:41.500 --> 04:03:43.500 Okay, come mate, come mate, come mate. 04:03:43.500 --> 04:03:45.500 I'm on the skull. Everybody gets a skull. 04:03:45.500 --> 04:03:47.500 I'm hundreds of runs. 04:03:47.500 --> 04:03:49.500 I'm on the skull. 04:03:51.500 --> 04:03:55.500 I felt that the only thing that I was learning 04:03:55.500 --> 04:04:01.500 was that this was a complete waste of time. 04:04:03.500 --> 04:04:09.500 Thankfully, there was one thing that I found that could potentially lead to some progress. 04:04:09.500 --> 04:04:14.500 During one of my runs, I noticed that Max had gotten a message on Discord. 04:04:14.500 --> 04:04:19.500 It was from somebody who claimed to work at Blizzard. 04:04:19.500 --> 04:04:24.500 And they were offering to sell a leaked test build of the upcoming Mythic Rift. 04:04:24.500 --> 04:04:26.500 Yo, give us that shit! 04:04:27.500 --> 04:04:29.500 How much?! 04:04:30.500 --> 04:04:31.500 Ha ha ha ha! 04:04:31.500 --> 04:04:32.500 Fuck! 04:04:32.500 --> 04:04:33.500 That was torn. 04:04:35.500 --> 04:04:37.500 This would definitely be cheating. 04:04:37.500 --> 04:04:45.580 But with all the early intel, we would have a guaranteed edge over every other guild in 04:04:45.580 --> 04:04:46.580 the world. 04:04:46.580 --> 04:04:47.580 Oh god. 04:04:47.580 --> 04:04:48.580 Fucking guild. 04:04:48.580 --> 04:04:58.660 This was tough, but so far, I haven't done a single useful thing. 04:04:58.660 --> 04:05:05.660 Maybe if I fed info to the guild without them knowing how I got it, their hands could stay clean. 04:05:07.660 --> 04:05:10.660 What could I live with cheating on my conscience? 04:05:12.660 --> 04:05:14.660 With no other ideas left to try. 04:05:16.660 --> 04:05:18.660 I figured I'd give it a shot. 04:05:18.660 --> 04:05:34.940 The man had me meet him in the Activision Employee parking lot. 04:05:34.940 --> 04:05:45.340 The deal went smooth, so I quickly headed back to the office and got to work to see just 04:05:45.340 --> 04:05:47.340 What intel I could have done? 04:06:00.020 --> 04:06:01.520 I was getting nowhere. 04:06:02.660 --> 04:06:06.340 And everything I had tried had been completely pointless and costly. 04:06:06.340 --> 04:06:08.340 He unplugged the monitor, bro. 04:06:09.660 --> 04:06:14.340 Between the film crew, the costumes, and the leaked build. 04:06:15.340 --> 04:06:19.340 I was quickly running out of both money and time. 04:06:19.340 --> 04:06:24.340 Thankfully, I had one last yola up my sleeve. 04:06:24.340 --> 04:06:31.340 I'd have to go to the one man who could solve all of my problems. 04:06:31.340 --> 04:06:33.340 Knock knock. 04:06:33.340 --> 04:06:35.340 Oh, hey. 04:06:35.340 --> 04:06:36.340 Thanks for meeting with me. 04:06:36.340 --> 04:06:38.340 Yeah, what's up? 04:06:38.340 --> 04:06:42.340 So, I've been working on a project for race. 04:06:42.340 --> 04:06:48.740 I'm kind of filming a documentary, but yeah, like the one the one that Damien normally does right 04:06:48.740 --> 04:06:51.700 You're just helping him out without her. He's asked me to be on it 04:06:51.700 --> 04:06:57.580 But I'm doing kind of my own thing and I'll be honest. This is a little more expensive than I thought it would be 04:06:58.260 --> 04:07:04.420 So yeah, I mean you've done this is with us your seventh race, and I think you did it before 04:07:05.340 --> 04:07:08.700 Liquid yeah, so you should you should have why are you guys saying Bart? 04:07:08.700 --> 04:07:11.460 But you know, figure that one out. 04:07:11.460 --> 04:07:13.020 Well, I know a lot of money goes into it. 04:07:13.020 --> 04:07:14.340 That's why I'm meeting with you, 04:07:14.340 --> 04:07:16.780 because I know there's a pretty big budget, 04:07:16.780 --> 04:07:18.580 and maybe it's a little, there's some wiggle room. 04:07:18.580 --> 04:07:20.940 So is, do you think there's a way to like, 04:07:22.100 --> 04:07:24.700 do you think we could fit this into the budget somehow? 04:07:24.700 --> 04:07:26.820 It's just need a little bit of money. 04:07:26.820 --> 04:07:30.420 I can buy you like, like a pack of soda 04:07:30.420 --> 04:07:32.780 and some popcorn from Costco. 04:07:32.780 --> 04:07:34.300 That's what I got in the budget. 04:07:34.300 --> 04:07:36.180 Okay, that's kind of what I've been living off of. 04:07:36.180 --> 04:07:37.980 So I've got that covered. 04:07:38.700 --> 04:07:42.860 We're doing it for the charity or raising money for that, you know, yeah, and 04:07:44.060 --> 04:07:46.060 I'm just gonna be real 04:07:46.340 --> 04:07:52.500 We're about 20,000 in the hole right now, and it's gonna be at least another five 04:07:53.420 --> 04:07:55.420 To get out of this 04:07:55.540 --> 04:07:57.540 Are you just looking at the budget? 04:07:57.940 --> 04:07:59.940 Yeah, no, sorry. I'm I 04:08:00.780 --> 04:08:06.740 Got I got some some stuff. I gotta go take care of you said you need $5,000 04:08:08.700 --> 04:08:15.260 Well, it's gonna be 5,000 more, but I've kind of taken some loans out and stuff and I thought I've thousand more 04:08:15.260 --> 04:08:20.580 Okay, yeah, that's about if we could swing the 25,000 04:08:21.420 --> 04:08:25.920 Because it's for the twenty five thousand dollar charity go, so we'll have the money 04:08:26.700 --> 04:08:28.380 No 04:08:28.380 --> 04:08:29.880 Fucking 04:08:29.880 --> 04:08:36.140 $25,000 charity go and we'll have the money for the documentary for the goal. I don't think you know how charities work 04:08:36.140 --> 04:08:42.500 where do you think that money goes when we raise the money for the charity to the charity but we 04:08:42.500 --> 04:08:49.900 can't raise the money because the goal so how are we getting their money back can't look I love you 04:08:49.900 --> 04:08:53.900 Um, stick to casting. 04:08:53.900 --> 04:08:57.900 Math is a little rough. 04:09:04.900 --> 04:09:07.900 He's just so perfectly deadpan. 04:09:10.900 --> 04:09:14.900 With no budget or support from T-Liquid, 04:09:14.900 --> 04:09:18.900 I knew I'd have to get creative if I wanted to make a difference. 04:09:19.900 --> 04:09:24.900 So I decided to set my focus on the other side of the race. 04:09:24.900 --> 04:09:27.900 The broadcast. 04:09:27.900 --> 04:09:30.900 The race has always been a community competition. 04:09:30.900 --> 04:09:36.900 There's no governing body, no prize money, no trophy. 04:09:36.900 --> 04:09:41.900 Even as races scale, it's always just been for the bragging rights. 04:09:41.900 --> 04:09:43.900 For the fans. 04:09:43.900 --> 04:09:48.900 The viewers are who it's all about. 04:09:48.900 --> 04:09:52.900 Maybe this is where my effort should have been all along. 04:09:53.900 --> 04:09:57.900 If I could become the perfect Warlord Warcraft Caster, 04:09:57.900 --> 04:10:01.900 and capture the hearts of millions of fans for the Guild, 04:10:01.900 --> 04:10:05.900 then no matter what the outcome of the race is, 04:10:05.900 --> 04:10:09.900 Team Liquid will have still won. 04:10:09.900 --> 04:10:12.900 Also, I could charge Team Liquid way more money, 04:10:12.900 --> 04:10:16.900 which would help me get out of this wake hole I had dug. 04:10:18.900 --> 04:10:23.900 So I needed to figure out what the other casters were doing that I wasn't. 04:10:26.400 --> 04:10:30.400 And there would be no better cast to learn from than Aya. 04:10:31.900 --> 04:10:38.400 Aya has been casting for the Guild ever since Nyalotha, and is one of the most popular personalities on the roster. 04:10:39.900 --> 04:10:44.900 Aya is also quite successful as a streamer and content creator outside of the race, 04:10:44.900 --> 04:10:51.900 Which is something I had not much success with. 04:10:51.900 --> 04:11:00.900 So I'll give that a go I guess. 04:11:00.900 --> 04:11:06.900 Yo, hey guys, how's it going? 04:11:06.900 --> 04:11:07.900 What? 04:11:07.900 --> 04:11:10.900 Just getting ready for the race that I throw a quick stream on. 04:11:10.900 --> 04:11:12.900 Pretty excited. 04:11:12.900 --> 04:11:14.700 How's everybody doing today? 04:11:14.700 --> 04:11:16.500 It's good. 04:11:16.500 --> 04:11:19.140 Hey, Effendell. 04:11:19.140 --> 04:11:21.940 My queen makeup I don't know. 04:11:21.940 --> 04:11:23.740 Please, is this actually on her stream? 04:11:26.780 --> 04:11:27.420 You need a shave. 04:11:27.420 --> 04:11:30.580 Did this happen? 04:11:30.580 --> 04:11:31.780 Yeah, I've been like in the patch. 04:11:31.780 --> 04:11:34.580 I think I need to start getting some gear on my guys. 04:11:34.580 --> 04:11:38.620 You guys want to do some delves or something? 04:11:38.620 --> 04:11:42.460 All right, I think I'm on here. 04:11:42.460 --> 04:11:44.760 That's not showing. Hold on. 04:11:47.000 --> 04:11:48.000 Oh, here we go. 04:11:49.440 --> 04:11:50.840 How geared is this guy? 04:11:51.800 --> 04:11:53.340 Is he actually on her account? 04:11:53.340 --> 04:11:55.500 Sports? Yeah, that's coming up. 04:11:55.500 --> 04:11:56.500 You know, skiing. 04:11:58.540 --> 04:12:00.040 Point going to the mountains. 04:12:00.040 --> 04:12:02.540 What about how interesting our binds are? 04:12:04.440 --> 04:12:05.440 Thanks, playful. 04:12:07.540 --> 04:12:08.540 Slee. 04:12:09.140 --> 04:12:10.140 No makeup tips today. 04:12:10.140 --> 04:12:15.140 I mean, just what I always say, powder, shadow. 04:12:16.940 --> 04:12:18.360 Yeah, I'll have to get one of these raiders 04:12:18.360 --> 04:12:21.040 to maybe come and show me how to make keybinds. 04:12:22.160 --> 04:12:24.460 Hopefully the raiders don't go too late 04:12:24.460 --> 04:12:26.860 because it's always messing up our sleep 04:12:26.860 --> 04:12:28.860 all over the place and you know who I am. 04:12:30.380 --> 04:12:31.660 I was up a little late last night 04:12:31.660 --> 04:12:35.500 and we were in a concert, you know? 04:12:35.500 --> 04:12:36.340 Woo! 04:12:36.340 --> 04:12:45.280 It wasn't chat. Get that blue chain. Yeah, I'm doing good. How are you doing? 04:12:45.280 --> 04:12:52.520 Bioglamp bomba? I think just gonna do that one Dell for the day and wanted to get a quick 04:12:52.520 --> 04:12:58.520 streaming before the race starts before all the prep's going on. Alright, well, thanks 04:12:58.520 --> 04:13:03.120 everyone tuning in. Have a good day and make sure to tune into the race this week. 04:13:03.120 --> 04:13:05.120 That's gonna be great. 04:13:05.120 --> 04:13:07.120 Alright, bye. 04:13:18.120 --> 04:13:23.120 With a couple of streams down, I had actually made a decent chunk of my money back. 04:13:23.120 --> 04:13:25.120 Oh, thank you for the tier one! 04:13:27.120 --> 04:13:31.120 But at this point, I had wasted too much time. 04:13:33.120 --> 04:13:42.800 people had started arriving and the real reason is that to get underway I tried 04:13:42.800 --> 04:13:47.640 to observe their behavior as we went through our pre-production meetings and 04:13:47.640 --> 04:13:55.960 tech checks but I still couldn't pinpoint anything that I could use to make 04:13:55.960 --> 04:13:58.920 myself better than them 04:14:03.120 --> 04:14:05.120 Okay. 04:14:05.120 --> 04:14:07.120 I'm just prepping. 04:14:07.120 --> 04:14:09.120 Feeling a little weird. 04:14:09.120 --> 04:14:11.120 Not sure about my place here, you know? 04:14:11.120 --> 04:14:13.120 Weird. 04:14:13.120 --> 04:14:15.120 Yeah. 04:14:15.120 --> 04:14:17.120 You know, it's just like you and Jack, you're so professional. 04:14:17.120 --> 04:14:19.120 Thyro, Janus. 04:14:19.120 --> 04:14:21.120 You're so smart. 04:14:21.120 --> 04:14:23.120 My mom will tell us so quick. 04:14:23.120 --> 04:14:25.120 I'm just kind of like this old raider guy. 04:14:25.120 --> 04:14:27.120 Just trying to find my place. 04:14:27.120 --> 04:14:29.120 I feel like you have. 04:14:29.120 --> 04:14:31.120 Like, I don't know. 04:14:31.120 --> 04:14:34.120 Last year, I think nothing came along. 04:14:34.120 --> 04:14:37.120 Yeah, but I want more like up and everything. 04:14:37.120 --> 04:14:38.120 I'm not sure. 04:14:38.120 --> 04:14:40.120 I'm just trying to cover all bases. 04:14:40.120 --> 04:14:43.120 Okay, and you can like, do what you can learn? 04:14:45.120 --> 04:14:48.120 No, just take a notes. 04:14:48.120 --> 04:14:50.120 Make sure no base is uncovered. 04:14:50.120 --> 04:14:51.120 Okay. 04:14:51.120 --> 04:14:55.120 I mean, if there's anything specific like any rehearsal you want to work on, 04:14:55.120 --> 04:14:56.120 you can... 04:14:56.120 --> 04:14:58.120 ...not rehearsals. 04:15:01.120 --> 04:15:28.640 I'm pretty excited about this, we've got midnight on the horizon, blizzard is cooking, the guild 04:15:28.640 --> 04:15:33.480 this cooking. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, I'm so happy to be here. We've got exciting 04:15:33.480 --> 04:15:36.720 bosses laid out ahead of us as well. Of course, what class of you can play this 04:15:36.720 --> 04:15:41.000 expansion? I've been playing my mage. A lot of mage. They got unleashed after runa 04:15:41.000 --> 04:15:44.000 powers removed. You're gonna know that you have a lot of all time. Yeah, I'm 04:15:44.000 --> 04:15:49.440 I'm I'm what I'm coining an Omni class or Omni class or yes, the new one. I 04:15:49.440 --> 04:15:52.920 might be stealing that. You think we'll see Og of ochre this race? I have no 04:15:52.920 --> 04:15:55.280 No idea. I don't know anything about AUG now. 04:15:55.280 --> 04:15:57.520 Are you playing AUG? 04:15:57.520 --> 04:15:58.680 No, I can play AUG. 04:15:58.680 --> 04:15:59.520 I can play AUG. 04:15:59.520 --> 04:16:03.200 As part of the Omni-classer toolkit, AUG comes along with it. 04:16:03.200 --> 04:16:04.200 Right. OK. 04:16:04.200 --> 04:16:07.040 Well, I mean, it's going to be looking to be an exciting race 04:16:07.040 --> 04:16:07.680 so far. 04:16:07.680 --> 04:16:08.880 Let us know in chat. 04:16:08.880 --> 04:16:11.640 I think the gearing this time around is for this raid. 04:16:11.640 --> 04:16:12.800 What are some of the other ways 04:16:12.800 --> 04:16:16.000 that these players can kind of power up their character? 04:16:16.000 --> 04:16:17.280 Yeah, we've got the Delves. 04:16:17.280 --> 04:16:17.560 I don't know. 04:16:17.560 --> 04:16:18.600 There won't be much of them. 04:16:18.600 --> 04:16:23.600 But, you know what, can I confess something to you, Raya? 04:16:24.320 --> 04:16:25.160 Yeah. 04:16:32.880 --> 04:16:34.240 You know what, the guild, 04:16:34.240 --> 04:16:36.200 they're going for the three Pete this time 04:16:36.200 --> 04:16:39.520 and I just really want the guild to win 04:16:39.520 --> 04:16:42.000 and want to do everything I can to help the guild out. 04:16:42.000 --> 04:16:47.000 So I went looking around and I found some PTR build, 04:16:47.000 --> 04:16:53.460 PTR build, someone who would sell me a PTR build of the upcoming raid and I got it, it 04:16:53.460 --> 04:16:57.000 turned out to just be a virus so everything's fine. 04:16:57.000 --> 04:17:02.780 It didn't actually impact the race at all, but I feel really bad about it. 04:17:02.780 --> 04:17:06.580 I kind of don't like who I was in the moments leading up to that. 04:17:06.580 --> 04:17:11.260 I've just been living here, it's just getting to my head, the pressure of the 04:17:11.260 --> 04:17:17.100 broadcast and I feel really bad and I'm really sorry and I just 04:17:17.100 --> 04:17:21.100 had to get that off my chest. Yeah. 04:17:24.940 --> 04:17:25.380 Dude. 04:17:26.980 --> 04:17:32.500 Okay, thank you for telling me but cams dude. What are you 04:17:32.500 --> 04:17:36.300 talking about buying some PTR bill? This is to help the 04:17:36.300 --> 04:17:38.700 Raiders win. This is bigger than you. This is you're not even 04:17:38.700 --> 04:17:40.620 involved. You should just be part of a production. Why are 04:17:40.620 --> 04:17:44.940 even thinking about how you can help them. I don't know why you have to think you need 04:17:44.940 --> 04:17:49.020 to get involved, you're not a part of this, is this some sort of thing to pretend that 04:17:49.020 --> 04:17:53.780 you got a world first when you didn't? Is this to pretend you're part of the raid team when 04:17:53.780 --> 04:17:59.780 you're not? What were you thinking? Were you even considering what could happen if 04:17:59.780 --> 04:18:03.460 something went wrong instead of virus? What does that mean? Are the computers okay? 04:18:03.460 --> 04:18:09.540 Is Echo getting strats from us? What's going to happen here? You really, you 04:18:09.540 --> 04:18:12.720 really fuck this up cams 04:18:12.720 --> 04:18:18.420 you're an awful person this is terrible this is disgusting 04:18:28.460 --> 04:18:35.300 I just think you're a really good person like a world of Warcraft or no 04:18:35.300 --> 04:18:42.020 just just in general i think you're you're just a really good person all right thank you that's 04:18:42.020 --> 04:18:49.380 really that's nice of you to say cams thanks um anyways thanks so much to our sponsors for the 04:18:49.380 --> 04:18:51.380 I know this team, like, but race to the first? 04:18:53.380 --> 04:18:55.380 Ah, dude. 04:18:55.380 --> 04:19:22.380 Yeah, why is this not like a YouTube video? 04:19:22.380 --> 04:19:39.180 How can I watch the whole thing? As far as I know, it's just what played after the credits 04:19:39.180 --> 04:19:48.620 after the race was over. And that's it. 04:19:48.620 --> 04:19:53.500 not over how how can it not be over 04:20:18.620 --> 04:20:25.620 Yeah, he's still here. 04:20:25.620 --> 04:20:34.620 What the fuck? 04:20:34.620 --> 04:20:39.620 HAHAHAHAHAHA 04:20:39.620 --> 04:20:41.620 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 04:20:41.620 --> 04:20:42.620 what the fuck 04:20:49.620 --> 04:20:50.620 dude 04:20:55.620 --> 04:20:56.620 guys 04:20:59.620 --> 04:21:00.620 is this 04:21:04.620 --> 04:21:06.620 That's for you, Cody. 04:21:07.620 --> 04:21:09.620 Dude, I don't do anything for you. 04:21:09.620 --> 04:21:11.620 Shout out, Hopeful. 04:21:17.620 --> 04:21:19.620 That's so good. That's so good. 04:21:19.620 --> 04:21:23.620 I feel like you'd probably have to watch the race 04:21:23.620 --> 04:21:26.620 and watch the Team Liquid channel to, like, appreciate that, right? 04:21:26.620 --> 04:21:30.620 This isn't something that would, like, get a million views on YouTube, 04:21:30.620 --> 04:21:33.620 probably, because there are just so many people that would not even know what it's referencing, 04:21:33.620 --> 04:21:40.220 Referencing but like if you do note it's referencing that's like fucking insanely good like just as good as it could possibly be 04:21:49.580 --> 04:21:55.180 But it'd be on YouTube would go crazy they should do that for sure I don't even know what channel but somebody 04:21:55.180 --> 04:22:04.380 What time stamp did it start at? 04:22:04.380 --> 04:22:07.300 It's about to use up your face better. 04:22:07.300 --> 04:22:13.060 Oh shit servers are out. 04:22:13.060 --> 04:22:21.900 Here we go. 04:22:21.900 --> 04:22:23.900 Okay, that isn't working. 04:22:26.160 --> 04:22:28.160 I'm trying to copy it. 04:22:34.700 --> 04:22:36.700 There we go. 04:22:46.820 --> 04:22:49.820 We'll re-look at the class tier list another day. 04:22:52.900 --> 04:22:57.900 Is there a way I can watch when we won? Oh, I actually haven't seen that. 04:23:02.900 --> 04:23:05.900 I want to see the reaction of the caster reaction to the secret phase. 04:23:09.900 --> 04:23:10.900 Does the hole kill that? 04:23:21.900 --> 04:23:25.700 of a push through this first section here. At this point the only thing I'm 04:23:25.700 --> 04:23:30.460 worried about is the dark constellation patterns. Some of them are really difficult. 04:23:30.460 --> 04:23:34.020 The RNG of them can be difficult. It's the overlaps of the constellations with 04:23:34.020 --> 04:23:37.500 the mechanics. As long as they are able to deal with the constellations 04:23:37.500 --> 04:23:41.860 everything else falls into place. Sub-30 on the first dark archangel is fantastic. 04:23:41.860 --> 04:23:46.220 The DPS slows a little bit here. We want to see sub-17 we know is possible for 04:23:46.220 --> 04:23:50.820 them to get their maximal damage for P4. Let's keep an eye on that when 04:23:50.820 --> 04:23:57.820 get there for the time we have production called P4EasterLudora. Yeah, I want to see chat. 04:23:57.820 --> 04:24:01.100 The memory game as well, they're already done on that side, but to swap those mechanics 04:24:01.100 --> 04:24:04.260 over for one more set before we get that second cast on us. 04:24:04.260 --> 04:24:08.300 Yeah, I mean, this is kind of where you make determinations as to whether or not you're 04:24:08.300 --> 04:24:11.100 going to be pressing or holding some of the cooldowns. 04:24:11.100 --> 04:24:14.900 Yeah, and you're looking at the boss's HP to try to audible some of your cooldowns, 04:24:14.900 --> 04:24:17.340 kind of like you called out Zyro earlier, are you going to be holding or sending 04:24:17.340 --> 04:24:18.340 the true shot? 04:24:18.340 --> 04:24:19.340 Oh, the boss! 04:24:19.340 --> 04:24:20.340 Oh my god! 04:24:20.340 --> 04:24:22.880 The boss is so unbelievable low. 04:24:22.880 --> 04:24:25.680 Okay, here's the thing, we got to lock in. 04:24:25.680 --> 04:24:29.800 You still have to push the boss all the way to 0% HP and you're going into the final phase. 04:24:29.800 --> 04:24:33.900 The unfortunate reality is even though they're blowing past the damage check here, it doesn't 04:24:33.900 --> 04:24:36.320 make the last phase that much easier. 04:24:36.320 --> 04:24:39.460 In reality, the only thing it's going to allow you to do is maybe save one or potentially 04:24:39.460 --> 04:24:42.280 even two offensive cooldowns for that final phase. 04:24:42.280 --> 04:24:44.540 Making that damage check a bit easier. 04:24:44.540 --> 04:24:45.840 They can still wipe here. 04:24:45.840 --> 04:24:47.040 This memory game is tough. 04:24:47.040 --> 04:24:48.920 The duck punch is so easy. 04:24:48.920 --> 04:24:49.920 It was literally free. 04:24:49.920 --> 04:24:51.680 It was all the way in the old puddle. 04:24:51.680 --> 04:24:53.000 They complete the constellation. 04:24:53.000 --> 04:24:55.240 And they complete the memory game in basically no time. 04:24:55.240 --> 04:24:56.560 Now the right hand side, 04:24:56.560 --> 04:24:57.920 they have to complete the memory game. 04:24:57.920 --> 04:25:00.040 And, but the left hand side was so free. 04:25:00.040 --> 04:25:01.640 Last of the lights, I think so come out here too. 04:25:01.640 --> 04:25:03.040 Also a really good constellation roll. 04:25:03.040 --> 04:25:04.360 We're gonna have two more soaks left here 04:25:04.360 --> 04:25:06.320 being taken care of by that left side. 04:25:06.320 --> 04:25:07.920 Memory game being resolved on the right. 04:25:07.920 --> 04:25:09.480 Last one, that's okay. 04:25:09.480 --> 04:25:10.440 We should have- 04:25:10.440 --> 04:25:11.280 Vibrates. 04:25:11.280 --> 04:25:12.120 Okay, Vibrates available. 04:25:12.120 --> 04:25:12.960 Two tiers so go on here as well. 04:25:12.960 --> 04:25:13.800 So, we're good. 04:25:13.800 --> 04:25:14.640 We're getting just in time. 04:25:14.640 --> 04:25:15.480 Good constellation. 04:25:15.480 --> 04:25:16.320 We got the last soak done. 04:25:16.320 --> 04:25:17.160 Okay, we're all finishing. 04:25:17.160 --> 04:25:18.160 All right, last phase, 20 live. 04:25:18.160 --> 04:25:19.000 Push. 04:25:19.000 --> 04:25:20.000 Ares? 04:25:20.000 --> 04:25:22.000 Right, when the arcane's began to work. 04:25:22.000 --> 04:25:23.000 And Ares will come up. 04:25:23.000 --> 04:25:24.000 Yeah, we are through. 04:25:24.000 --> 04:25:26.640 That was a super easy push and every cooldown was able to be saved there. 04:25:26.640 --> 04:25:28.960 They have every button available. 04:25:28.960 --> 04:25:34.080 All that stands between Liquid right now and the world first kill is literally three 04:25:34.080 --> 04:25:37.120 Shatter Spires and three Heaven and Hells. 04:25:37.120 --> 04:25:39.000 All they have to do is keep all 20 alive. 04:25:39.000 --> 04:25:43.920 Dude, my favorite thing is the, is the Ascii's. 04:25:43.920 --> 04:25:48.040 When people spam the Ascii's but like your chat isn't wide enough so it just like 04:25:48.040 --> 04:25:53.040 does this, but you can still like see who it is. It's so good. 04:26:18.040 --> 04:26:23.400 60% here as I wrote this is perfect great second star second heaven and hell coming out here 04:26:23.400 --> 04:26:29.200 We're already moving get that beam away. This is what the second row is for that beam is nowhere in sight 04:26:29.200 --> 04:26:35.040 Now we need to find a good spot to plant for the final set of star shatters while the tanks stand in front and block the 04:26:36.840 --> 04:26:42.300 Stars this boss might die one fires two fires number three fires the boss is some 25% already 04:26:42.300 --> 04:26:43.740 The energy of the time. 04:26:43.740 --> 04:26:45.740 Last Heaven in Hell, it comes down to this. 04:26:45.740 --> 04:26:47.020 Can we keep all 20 alive? 04:26:47.020 --> 04:26:48.580 Do we have the damage check here? 04:26:48.580 --> 04:26:50.500 It's not over when the boss hits 100 energy. 04:26:50.500 --> 04:26:51.540 Remember, there's still that cast. 04:26:51.540 --> 04:26:52.880 It's up to percent. 04:26:52.880 --> 04:26:54.380 Do the damage liquid. 04:26:54.380 --> 04:26:55.740 Just one cast on the boss. 04:26:55.740 --> 04:26:56.740 Result these fires. 04:26:56.740 --> 04:26:57.740 Those three. 04:26:57.740 --> 04:26:58.740 3%! 04:26:58.740 --> 04:26:59.740 This is going down. 04:26:59.740 --> 04:27:00.740 It's in! 04:27:00.740 --> 04:27:01.740 It's in! 04:27:01.740 --> 04:27:02.740 It's in! 04:27:02.740 --> 04:27:03.740 Oh, my gosh. 04:27:03.740 --> 04:27:04.740 Oh, my gosh. 04:27:04.740 --> 04:27:05.740 Oh, they're popping off. 04:27:05.740 --> 04:27:07.740 I want to see the casters, though. 04:27:07.740 --> 04:27:08.740 I know what we did. 04:27:08.740 --> 04:27:10.740 for the first for the 4th shearing roll! 04:27:10.740 --> 04:27:12.740 Oh my gosh! 04:27:12.740 --> 04:27:14.740 Ignite has fallen! 04:27:14.740 --> 04:27:16.740 That's good casting. 04:27:16.740 --> 04:27:18.740 Look how it's pretty good. 04:27:18.740 --> 04:27:22.740 73 pulls! The hardest boss of all time has fallen! 04:27:22.740 --> 04:27:24.740 Liquid have done it! 04:27:24.740 --> 04:27:27.740 A phase 4! They thought that yesterday was kill day. 04:27:27.740 --> 04:27:31.740 They thought they were going to bet the losers with Echo claiming it. 04:27:31.740 --> 04:27:34.740 But they showed up today, they swapped to the Guardian Druid 04:27:34.740 --> 04:27:37.740 and they have claimed world first for the fourth time in a row. 04:27:37.740 --> 04:27:47.060 Wow. Oh my goodness, bro. That was the cleanest Spanish three that push was someone said team liquid MMO had a 04:27:48.500 --> 04:27:50.500 Had a good one see I 04:27:57.580 --> 04:27:59.580 Don't know why that just came up, but 04:28:04.740 --> 04:28:06.740 Is it a clip is it a short 04:28:07.740 --> 04:28:20.180 of the 04:28:50.180 --> 04:28:52.180 This cannot be 04:28:57.860 --> 04:28:59.860 This cannot be 04:28:59.860 --> 04:29:01.860 Secret phase! No! 04:29:01.860 --> 04:29:06.860 There's no, no, no, no, no! 04:29:14.860 --> 04:29:16.860 Dude, this, this is the best part. 04:29:16.860 --> 04:29:22.860 Lip, lip popping off into relocking in is just an insane clip. 04:29:23.860 --> 04:29:24.860 Look at this. 04:29:25.860 --> 04:29:26.860 Look at this. 04:29:27.860 --> 04:29:28.860 Immediately back in. 04:29:29.860 --> 04:29:36.860 That's not editing at all. That's exactly what happened in real time. 04:29:59.860 --> 04:30:01.860 Fuck me 04:30:29.860 --> 04:30:45.340 I mean, yeah, this is like fucking insane. I mean, this is probably the most exciting moment in the history of the race world first 04:30:45.340 --> 04:30:52.820 Just straight up. There's no moment that was more crazy than this. It's more hype than any win that's ever existed 04:30:54.340 --> 04:30:56.340 This cannot be 04:30:59.860 --> 04:31:21.900 Yeah, I hadn't seen a few of those. 04:31:21.900 --> 04:31:24.900 It's so funny because that's the actual RP in the game. 04:31:24.900 --> 04:31:29.460 Yeah, yeah, the this cannot be is what the boss says. 04:31:29.460 --> 04:31:32.100 But this went very far and wide. 04:31:32.100 --> 04:31:35.940 A lot of non-wow players saw this clip. 04:31:35.940 --> 04:31:37.340 And no one knows that. 04:31:37.340 --> 04:31:43.900 And it just sounds like someone is unironically saying, this cannot be, like in like 2026, 04:31:43.900 --> 04:31:58.900 which sounds like some, like Shakespeare shit. 04:31:58.900 --> 04:32:01.460 You guys said there was an echo reaction to the secret phase? 04:32:01.460 --> 04:32:05.540 What even, I haven't said, where do I see that? 04:32:05.540 --> 04:32:06.660 I haven't seen that at all. 04:32:06.660 --> 04:32:09.260 It gives them looking at it on their monitors. 04:32:21.740 --> 04:32:22.820 It's a highlight. 04:32:28.900 --> 04:32:30.900 I mean that's easy to find 04:32:50.500 --> 04:32:53.380 Echo eSports highlight 04:32:54.980 --> 04:32:57.620 Their YouTube has highlight videos of each day 04:32:58.900 --> 04:33:00.700 Oh, it's not a Twitch highlight. 04:33:00.700 --> 04:33:04.380 I mean, that makes it a complete meme. 04:33:04.380 --> 04:33:05.660 Or maybe it does. 04:33:05.660 --> 04:33:06.860 Maybe they do have highlights. 04:33:23.100 --> 04:33:23.780 It was a clip. 04:33:28.900 --> 04:33:36.900 Or was it a highlight? Which one? 04:33:36.900 --> 04:33:44.900 Lura's secret phase? Isn't that going to be them going to the secret phase? 04:33:44.900 --> 04:33:51.900 Like, I thought you were saying there was a reaction of Echo like seeing us get there. 04:33:51.900 --> 04:33:55.900 I don't care about them seeing it for the first time that they have already seen it by then. 04:33:55.900 --> 04:34:10.820 It's a clip all right. Well, I'm looking 04:34:18.980 --> 04:34:21.220 These stripes channel has it okay 04:34:25.900 --> 04:34:42.680 I don't know what method it is, but he didn't know they lost two hours ago. 04:34:42.680 --> 04:34:47.680 They thought fucker, check the news. We lost like two hours ago. 04:34:47.680 --> 04:34:49.680 What the heck? 04:34:49.680 --> 04:34:52.680 There's no show, bro. 04:34:52.680 --> 04:34:57.680 That's pretty fucking insane. I love that. 04:34:57.680 --> 04:35:03.680 I love the checked outness of that. 04:35:03.680 --> 04:35:11.680 Because like, what we actually want is for people to not know about our competition because it makes them play worse when they have a good pull. 04:35:11.680 --> 04:35:22.440 they have a good pole it's like proven he's trolling I mean I could see it not 04:35:22.440 --> 04:35:26.640 being trolling like I go out of my way to make sure I never know how low echo is 04:35:26.640 --> 04:35:30.640 when I think that they could kill it ever 04:35:30.640 --> 04:35:38.640 I have something in my mind at some point. I don't want to shit, I'm doing pools. 04:35:38.640 --> 04:35:43.640 Did we at least have our low wipes before it? Like the Berserker spell? 04:35:43.640 --> 04:35:44.640 Yeah, yeah. 04:35:44.640 --> 04:35:45.640 Hell yeah. 04:35:45.640 --> 04:35:48.640 Not the lowest one, but the 4. 04:35:48.640 --> 04:35:50.640 I think that the 4. 04:35:50.640 --> 04:35:57.640 Um, so not that. 04:35:57.640 --> 04:36:02.640 Uh, clips don't work. 04:36:02.640 --> 04:36:07.640 Can you DM the clip to me, I guess, because that would work. 04:36:07.640 --> 04:36:11.640 Can you DM the clip to me, I guess, because that would work? 04:36:11.640 --> 04:36:26.640 Yeah, clips. I mean, you're linking a clip in chat, but no one else is seeing it. I don't have clips like enabled. 04:36:26.640 --> 04:36:30.640 A mod can link it, or you can DM it to me, and then I can pull it up. 04:36:30.640 --> 04:36:38.640 But Max Eclip is on radar.io Twitter profile of casters reacting. 04:36:38.640 --> 04:36:41.640 Oh, okay. 04:36:41.640 --> 04:36:48.640 Sure. 04:36:48.640 --> 04:36:55.640 Rader.io. 04:36:55.640 --> 04:37:21.640 Production and staff at Team Liquid react to the world's first kill. 04:37:21.640 --> 04:37:23.640 Oh, I haven't seen this. 04:37:23.640 --> 04:37:30.640 This isn't exactly what I asked for though. 04:37:30.640 --> 04:37:35.340 Oh wait, no I did watch this because we reacted to them pointing at each other and I found 04:37:35.340 --> 04:37:46.340 that to be really cool, okay it's not that. 04:37:46.340 --> 04:38:06.700 Okay, behind the scenes, loop wipe, liquid 15% one dead, res, 10%, five, two dead, secret 04:38:06.700 --> 04:38:11.620 phase no dead. 04:38:11.620 --> 04:38:18.200 Oh wait, hour behind the scenes peak of production and casters reacting to the secret phase reveal 04:38:41.620 --> 04:39:11.520 I've already seen this I wanted to see this is the echo 04:39:11.520 --> 04:39:13.520 I wanted to see the echo casters 04:39:14.000 --> 04:39:16.400 No, that's what this we were all talking 04:39:18.800 --> 04:39:20.800 Why would I want to see another 04:39:41.520 --> 04:39:43.520 after this thing go 04:39:51.040 --> 04:39:58.960 It's on echoes YouTube, I don't want to fucking give this shit on my how can I go to someone's YouTube without it ever showing up on my algorithm 04:39:59.880 --> 04:40:01.880 Can you like remove? 04:40:01.880 --> 04:40:03.880 Can you like edit your algorithm? 04:40:05.360 --> 04:40:07.360 Incognito change accounts 04:40:11.520 --> 04:40:19.360 Okay, let's see what which video is it 04:40:25.560 --> 04:40:27.560 Is it a short 04:40:31.960 --> 04:40:34.080 A secret mythic phase here we go 04:40:41.520 --> 04:40:44.800 down to that kind of crunch moment because you do have the ever encroaching 04:40:44.800 --> 04:40:45.680 you know midi 04:40:47.680 --> 04:40:50.640 wow those glaives were really nerfed look how slow that is 04:40:52.320 --> 04:40:54.560 two minutes and 21 seconds someone says okay 04:40:56.480 --> 04:41:02.640 can this always go i need you to stop yeah oh they both just found out about the secret 04:41:02.640 --> 04:41:08.000 phase and and he's reading off some like doughnose or something and they're like bro 04:41:08.000 --> 04:41:12.500 Fucking let's hold on a second here. Thank you so much for the donation incredible. Thank you 04:41:12.780 --> 04:41:15.580 We have just had confirmation that there is a mythic phase 04:41:15.900 --> 04:41:22.400 No, I'm we're not production has just told us. There is a mythic phase fully confirmed. There is a mythic phase 04:41:23.180 --> 04:41:27.040 Our production is telling us they watched it, which I assume means the liquid 04:41:27.820 --> 04:41:32.740 To the mythic phase and they reached and some secret phase 04:41:38.000 --> 04:41:40.000 Oh, there's a black fuck. 04:41:40.000 --> 04:41:42.000 Oh, wait. 04:41:42.000 --> 04:41:44.000 I might be dead, though. 04:41:44.000 --> 04:41:46.000 What? 04:41:46.000 --> 04:41:48.000 Really? 04:41:48.000 --> 04:41:50.000 What the fuck? 04:41:50.000 --> 04:41:52.000 This is what I wanted to see. 04:42:02.000 --> 04:42:04.000 Oh, wait. 04:42:04.000 --> 04:42:06.000 What did that guy say? That guy said we were fucked? 04:42:06.000 --> 04:42:08.000 Oh 04:42:22.640 --> 04:42:24.640 He said we are so back 04:42:25.480 --> 04:42:29.720 Yeah, no. Yeah. Yeah, exactly that I like dude 04:42:29.720 --> 04:42:33.840 I was seeing the secret phase was so deflating and I feel like for them after thinking about it 04:42:33.840 --> 04:42:35.320 It's got to be like, thank fucking God. 04:42:35.320 --> 04:42:37.600 Because I mean, they would have lost if there wasn't one, right? 04:42:42.240 --> 04:42:43.560 Someone said it was good for Echo. 04:42:43.560 --> 04:42:44.840 I can't mean, of course. 04:42:44.840 --> 04:42:47.800 Yeah, like the race massively swung in their favor with 04:42:47.800 --> 04:42:49.400 there being a secret phase. 04:42:49.400 --> 04:42:51.760 They absolutely should have one. 04:42:51.760 --> 04:42:55.760 It just became the worst timing situation of all time. 04:42:55.760 --> 04:42:58.280 We got there, and unless we could kill it before going to 04:42:58.280 --> 04:42:59.960 bed, we were going to lose. 04:42:59.960 --> 04:43:01.040 But then somehow we didn't lose. 04:43:03.840 --> 04:43:12.480 I'm leaving on Wednesday at the latest probably on Tuesday. I'm gonna be on I think the hotels 04:43:12.480 --> 04:43:17.440 only booked till Tuesday anyway. I wanna see my dog. My wife's remarried. Wow. But what 04:43:17.440 --> 04:43:20.680 about the dog? There's a guy living in my house. Yeah, it shouldn't just there like 04:43:20.680 --> 04:43:27.240 how long does it take to get milk? I'm so confused. My kids don't look at me. I'm 04:43:27.240 --> 04:43:29.240 I think I'm a tax collector. 04:43:29.240 --> 04:43:30.240 I love it. 04:43:30.240 --> 04:43:32.240 Stop calling the stuff for you. 04:43:32.240 --> 04:43:34.240 You're a crazy ball fan. 04:43:42.240 --> 04:43:43.240 All right. 04:43:43.240 --> 04:43:46.240 How do I, do I like dislike the video? 04:43:46.240 --> 04:43:51.240 Just so, just so it like the YouTube isn't like feeding 04:43:51.240 --> 04:43:55.240 me this shit on my, but does that like hurt? 04:43:55.240 --> 04:43:56.240 I mean, it's not like meant bad. 04:43:56.240 --> 04:44:09.440 bad. I mean, I liked it. It's just like just delete it from your history. Okay. Yeah. Easy. Easy. 04:44:15.920 --> 04:44:19.120 All right. I'm gonna go pick up my dogs. 04:44:19.120 --> 04:44:32.720 I've seen them most of the race. My girlfriend went to Hawaii with her family last Friday, 04:44:32.720 --> 04:44:38.320 and she comes home in two days. But until then, I was still going home at night and was able 04:44:38.320 --> 04:44:45.440 to see my dogs and stuff, but I haven't seen my dogs since Friday. I actually lived a 04:44:45.440 --> 04:44:47.440 a couple hours away and I'll have 10 minutes from here.