La primis de castis soares,
Zaina poe, se s'ensoi.
Na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na, na.
Se stieva de peca, si ai mai rau.
Se stieva de peca, mai ucici mai mesau.
Why do you want to live alone?
Why do you want to live alone with your friends?
Why do you want to live alone?
la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la
Ay, por eso, to it's a dream, ay, por eso, to it's a dream,
And I was a cheater, I was a fool, I was a cheater.
Raze of the Grand Degrees to disengage here from Spirit Vessel. He's holding onto it though for a long time, Taiwan.
Captain SF, an opening, going to save from the disruption.
Shadow came and buys time for Kiritich to hop, the satanic life still back up to full.
Kaelicor dies back, Whisper's getting clicked, Grave going to delay things here,
so you must step forward and it does take down the SF.
Gyro is right here, getting the jump done somewhat.
A rebound, remnant jump from the top of the Gyro will fall in the end, the GB came the arrow.
Marcia is in the pit. Charlotte's in terrorized with a jump into the back. Mero's started
off. Whisper gets the Aegis, killed off by the Dire. Kordam comes in, and Beppu, scrambling,
scattering. Mero's gonna try and cart and run, stampeding to kill Theola Cork. Kiritich
runs to the eastern side while the Ember Spirit, force she became back. Yuma tie-long,
too bad stop! Oh, Kiritich can open up!
If a sublite kills the ember, oh, this disaster is for heroic!
BK starts onto the throne.
The throne that is being opened up on, Kiritich, he's gone there with the...
Kiritich, stop being trying to finish the building.
Kat's only been dropped, though, as the arrow is in the cart.
Looking to finish the throne and end of the game!
Well, let us come in, put the Marcy in the back seat, say goodbye, buildings, game is over,
and heroic, no chance to fight back.
The
collapse is going to roll up and the vision for the sun rays supernova already in play.
Fak BKB, planet is slaying.
Larl on the run as Naga Sarn comes in with a song with a turn and focus on the tie now.
Stuck in the arena, Wreckwind wound up, Yasuo trying to fear the back, refresh up from back
as Larl falls and XM just sat on the sidelines peeping away as XM is cleared out!
Shiro with a double kill, XM being focused by collapse, he's not got too much of the way back
up, the reel in forces Sven back towards the Naga while collapse. It's still a dangerous
This pangolier, he's got a lot of damage with this pangolier.
He goes back in, Panto's died, but the Sven, can he stand and grab the pangol?
With the forest spirits going, the pangol picks up a double, collapses, going wild.
One more to do the job with a team wipe!
They're going to roll up with collapsed Lyle Starrs.
They get the stones, chain disabled, Requiem counters with the BKB, got strength off.
Still being clicked by the SF, he's on the run.
the run. End comes, the Marsman is collapsed on by this pango, couldn't get the ring off
in time, so Yattaro, the birthday boy, gets a double kill. Song of the sorrow now to find
new targets, collapsing Yattaro on the Phoenix. Why in trouble a triple for Yattaro? Look
for the Ultras, therefore, him as well.
The toss back into face, Shiro sent onto the SF as their requirements start right clicking
to the DK. Yataro, just engages for now with Ruz and again Arena. Collapses inside, dealing
with Thark for a fresh Alph and turn to fight the boxes then, take the mask. Trying to slip
back but Arena again with Chiro and Rival. Rue is going to get taken down and Collapses
trouble inside here too. They've got 5x available team spirit but Chiro standing and delivering
against Yataro. The DK is out damaging the SF. Shadowfiend, Lincoln star backing up
Tier 4's, robot back, trying to retreat with Banto, but XM's poking at them.
I'm refreshing from Shirou now, more damage with the stun on Tiny and down you go!
Yatoro's trying to go in, he's still low on all collapse, and Yatoro, they've lined it up!
They're going to get the kill, they're going to get the kill to be tuned!
He's dead 100 seconds, win, buyback and now the TP is needing to get out for the side
of Aurora, but WS unable to TP, they've got the war response once again, they're going
to catch him with the Citerboufier and Watson's got a triple kill.
Or any on disc, but you're in the air for so long,
Makoto's dead, buyback forced, the clip's down,
Marina there, cheer, Junior trying to get away.
They got the kill on the socks,
but they're gonna find themselves this arm,
our Sardar's gonna be dead for two minutes,
so is this us.
Luna wants a point game.
Lucid B, they're also gonna bring WS,
they've got the hack, they'll get the kill,
they're gonna have buyback available on the Jekiro,
but they're gonna go straight for the throne.
They've got a cliff, they've got a hole,
they've got the science going to be through
out of the brew master.
He's trying to survive, trying to get those split off,
but he gets better.
They've got the split, they've got him.
They get the skill onto three of these heroes.
They're all forced to buy back the cliff,
comes out with Luna, trying to end the game.
He went from an 18K away in a second and they lose.
Tata's wasn't going to tie down that land on the WS.
They get the cut of Kaori too.
Roche's low, Makoto's in.
He doesn't have a lot on her to play with.
Tornado comes through and lands onto the Templar assassin.
Gorgon's grass not going to matter,
Blink's away, able to escape.
Me too, now thinking about going back in,
but the Blink hopes top BKB.
Me too, gets it.
Nice for the Gaffin, Jonah Saksa.
They get these snatch on the ages for Watson.
They're going to do like four.
And the finger.
Malletage low, but still alive.
Survives the nuke that came in from the side of Aurora.
They get the Kona Mira, and they'll call Gigi.
Take down the banner.
Yandex, they just took the series 2-1.
He goes into the mega-mepo form and all that mana for all that life comes back, so they
They get the kill onto the shadow.
Shaman, they look over at Esha.
He'll die, too.
Spear connects.
That's out of the tree.
As well as the June, the Lemi, the arrow to follow it up.
Can they get the kill out of the tree protector?
Yes.
No, they've got the backnut time.
Hell, the overgrowth.
Oh, no.
Look, we thought maybe they had something, anything,
but they can't chop down this tree.
He's going to die at the Spirit's Vessel.
Esha also actually went in.
Doom is ready.
He went in and committed to this one,
but that puts him in a position where he gets net and coming
He rolls up in the air again, thanks to the toss, and R.E. actually gets the credit for the kill.
They've got the toss, back into the circle, and BZM's just dead.
And this is all them just trying to pick away at Ace, hoping that maybe they could get a little bit of damage or find somebody to bit out.
But Liquid take advantage.
Think about going to the ice path.
They've got themselves the Unleashed.
Keanu Coffrey flies in.
Both these heroes in trouble.
Tofu, though, lands the ice path on a three.
Parker, he is burning down low, has the help of the Shadow Ward.
It's going to be R.I.E. with the P.A.
Mikkei.
They get the toss, and now the Rock of Barrage
with the damage.
If from ace, they get the kill there on to Parker,
and they look over at Whitemon.
That's another one.
The ravage too late.
Lincoln's popped.
Arena down.
Spear connects on a 33.
Whitemon in trouble to get the kill there out of the bay,
That's gonna be one thirty three is gonna be found and he is gonna get that lasso on to two
But it doesn't matter. He's dead thanks to this win ranger jumping in his BCM
And he'll focus at least for a moment on the niche. Who's out of matter will back away for a second
But Parker's gonna be locked up. They got the spear. They have them facing the right direction to get the kill
They'll break him. Gigi is called liquid
Absolute obliteration of tundra and they finish this series with a victory
a very good morning you are
watching PGL Wallachia and today I know we're gonna we're starting with eight
teams but it is it is time to start the lower bracket I know and I am actually
very excited for that because it normally brings out the best Dota 2 and
to talk about the best Dota 2 you have the best people here on the kind of
Teagov and Gunner good morning Gunner how you doing I'm doing good I'm always
excited to see a heroic play.
So their first in the morning.
So what more is it asked for?
That's a blessing for us.
Diego, I had the most cursed sleep possible.
But that doesn't matter.
The dough is going to be great.
I'm going to be not great, but thumbs up.
But normally lower bracket does bring out.
Yes, right?
That's when people like level up.
No, especially with the teams that we have in the lower bracket,
like when you think about the way that they
played so far in the tournament, it's not been like,
they're kind of lucky to be here.
Right.
Like sometimes in tournaments, you
can look at a bracket or a position and go,
They had a good Swiss or they had like they were you know certain teams, you know, but I'm looking at it
So I'm like again. I said it from day one from the upper bracket
I'm like, I'm really excited to see what any of these teams can do because in the right day the right draft right play
They can do some stuff. Yeah, I feel like maybe we should mention Gunnar that the only two teams that
Seemingly are a little bit of step ahead of the rest our liquid spirit, but the rest is level playing field. Is that fair to say?
Yeah, I think the upper bracket is more likely to be two us today
Yeah, but I would be surprised even like that room has been looking pretty good. They had a two zero zero yesterday as well
So
It's pretty hard to pick just the favorites right now. Yes. Yeah, it very much is and to be honest that is
typical well, I can have fashion because
how often has the favorite really one one question and
How often has the same team on there's only one team to go of that managed to get two in a row and liquid of ruin
it. Let's be honest. All right, season three, season four. Unfortunately, the back-to-back
did kind of skew this graphic a little bit, but no, the beauty of Valahia and I feel like
it is just, you see all these different teams winning. Of course, you have the, you know,
the beautiful storyline of heroic winning season two, even mouse, kind of like the,
the roster that got formed together from like the leftovers of a region. So it is
the tournament that creates new winners. And you look at the teams in this bracket,
there are plenty more new winners available. Yeah. And then if you think about the team that
has been winning most lands this season is Tundra and they haven't gotten a single Wallachia yet
also they are playing with the stand-in but you know they're still in that there's still a chance
for them do you have a favorite way of looking at the list is there going to be a repeat?
I mean a triple Pete potentially oh okay okay that was my guess if I had to say one
I mean I feel like that was the obvious answer but there is something about like Tundra every day
They are you can see the improvements, but it's not like enough to win out like the progression
But when you're in the lower bracket the opponents, you know might objectively be slightly easier
You know, I feel like tonsure could could make something because I will say I heard Jenkins say this yesterday
About about bedroom is there like you know that we don't really talk too much about that boom normally because they're there
But they're kind of they're doing well now
They're flying under the radar because there's other stories that we are focusing on more that are maybe having some some more interesting things to talk about and that's that they're flying under the radar and that's what you want because you don't want a target on your back you don't want to be focused on and I think in terms of liquid they're definitely getting focused on yeah liquid big focus but for BB I think their drafts are just consistently so scary like against Navi they demolished them in the draft and against her work they demolished them once again you could argue in the draft work had some good play but like.
between the last two series you saw from them, it's like on paper like damn like they could make mistakes
and they're still going to be in a winning position like that's how strong I feel like their prep was going into the last two games
Yeah, well let's take a look at how strong some of the heroes are rather how popular they are because
There's been a couple of trends we'd like to talk about. Yeah, so this is basically just showing like every single day that each dot is the percentage is getting picked
Um, so marcy is going up a lot. She I think that's because the shadow theme is kind of getting let through a bit more and more
Kez, thankfully, he has fallen off.
And then the other big two are, I think,
Shadriman and Sheree are really cool,
because now that Sheree's kind of getting through
in the drafts, now people also have to pick Shadriman
to counter it.
So it's like, you can see a lot of these
are kind of like related, and Batrider is getting down
because people are like, guys, we can't beat the Bat.
Like maybe day one, you're like,
I will give Bat away a couple times here and there,
but a lot of that is very connected to,
like every hero is connected in a picking and batting order.
So it's always just interesting to see
now that teams are letting through Shadrifin,
or letting through Batrider or Tree,
now you might have to let through other heroes.
And it's the deeper in the tournament,
it's now more of just ban the specific stuff for each team
and let through the broken stuff and deal with it.
Yeah.
It'd be a real shame if Tess was to keep getting unpicked
or maybe, you know.
It would be such a shame if Tess just kept losing.
Oh, no.
Oh.
Hard broken.
I just, what would I do with myself?
Oh, I feel like does Valahia mean anything
if Tess is not present?
It would make it so much harder
because I couldn't have an easy team to predict the losers.
That's fair enough.
Let's see if we have an easy time to predict our upcoming series
because we do have four series coming your way, four bests of
threes now.
Let's focus our attention first in the second half of the day.
Those are upper brackets, so everything's fine.
Nobody's going home.
But you already said that you think
those two are most likely to be one-sided.
I think the Liquid Yandex series is, in my opinion,
probably the most one-sided today in terms of team strength.
And then maybe like Team Spirit, Beppum is the second, but if Beppum kind of plays their A-game, I could see it being a closer series, but definitely those two, like you're saying, I don't know, spear and liquid, always with these lands, always with the Wallahias, always seem to have something different in their playstyle.
Yeah, I'd like to think that BB can at least make it a 2-1 against Spirit, like, even way, doesn't mean I'm winning it, but there's something about like Hasbro and Navi retested them, but I feel like that series needs to be a 2-1.
Sure.
I think that Beppum kind of is this weird speed bump team, if I would describe it, every team that's like, okay, is gonna lose to them.
But then all the good teams, when you beat them, it means you can win the tournament.
And then if they're consistently good, that's when they win the tournaments, but sometimes I think they'll falter in that third place, fourth place, where they're always really, really good, but they don't win that much.
They've won two tournaments in the past year as their roster, but it always feels like
every tournament they could, it's just they don't reach the mark.
I mean, as an Orc, they've never stumped themselves as legacy, right?
They've been the occasional win, but it's like with the players, they're like, what
if they did this?
What if they did that?
Yeah, it's always like a story of if they're just a little more consistent or they had
that little extra push at the end, but it's never, oh, they bombed.
It's never that they bombed out.
It's always that, oh, they got top four this time.
They got top six this time.
It was bad.
And it's always just you got to be able to beat them the speed bump team. I like the term
It's a good term. I'm not a bad way
But it's I say in a good way, it's more of like a test
Yeah, I mean to be honest if you're able to consistently come top six top four
That's that's pretty good. It's a pretty good place to be there's a lot of teams
They'll be very jealous of that either way of course for them
They love to make it to the top once more, but we can see them later on today. We're gonna focus our attention on
on lower bracket elimination on the line.
And that means we are focusing on our first series.
We've got ourselves heroic and Vici gaming going head to head.
And I first want to just take a quick,
I have a quick talk about how the teams have been playing
because I think yesterday we were,
I think I was at least expecting Gunner Heroic
to do well yesterday, better than what they did.
Like how would you describe their place on that?
I think a lot of the teams kind of took a bit of a playstyle change from the Swiss stage to the playoffs.
And for some things it worked better yesterday, some things it didn't.
I think Heroic kind of changed up some stuff with their strategies and I wanted them to just go back to like day two or day three and like do that kind of thing.
When they were kind of like up in the upper ish of the Swiss bracket, I just don't want them to feel like they have to change stuff to keep improving.
Yeah, for me I thought like heroic yesterday they did a very good job stabilizing some problems they created within the draft
They wanted the early game to be quite good, but then they created created just they got too excited
Right and interviews we've had it's like humor cage or whatever they in old slabs
They're like, oh we get a good moment and then we get carried away like here
We're gonna show you a clip where this is but they contested the Groshan
BB still got the aegis, but then because of this ward on the right-hand side
They go, you know what let's go and try and kill the Marcy, but they had no bkb's 20 seconds earlier
they used it just to contest the Roshan and it was like a 10,000 gold lead that they'd slowly brought down to like 6,000 gold
But because they went for this dive you can see here on the graph
They just threw it all away like everything looked so like good for heroic like the lago had got online the gyrocopter
Like they did all the motions to try and stop Marcy getting into the game at this stage
But because they got so quick to fight 40 seconds later
We can move on now from the graph they just threw it away and then you fast forward again to next Roshan
They ensnipe the ages and they do the same thing again. So the graph goes like baby baby baby heroic baby baby baby
All right, baby. It's like chill lad. Please one time. Just take a deep breath
You don't need to do this. So for me just breathe lads and they might win the game. Yeah, maybe
Because you see them playing aggressive and that's the style they like playing
But maybe sometimes could you also say that their draft maybe doesn't align with the style of play they're playing?
I think specifically the game 2 draft yes because like first pick in lago double pick in support
You have presented your kind of early game. You already show a problem. Yeah, it's easy for the other two to make
Oh, okay. This is the problem the draft let's just pick like this and this exactly so like that
Concept to me is like if they tweak that slightly
Then this game I feel like her it's gonna win because the way that they contested version and like set things up
It's like if they didn't make it hard on themselves. They win these comeback type games, but they always seem to
to make it hard a little bit with some of the kind of flavor
picks.
Well, a way that teams have been making it hard on other teams
or on themselves, whichever way you look at it,
is letting Shadowfiend through better.
Yeah, so both of these teams were the only ones
to look through Shadowfiend yesterday,
and it was looking three times.
All three times, the Shadowfiend won.
So maybe there's this like, ah, you know what, guys?
It's like day six of the tournament.
We can beat it.
I see they lose a couple of times here and there, I think just don't give it away today.
Both teams probably got that little slap on the wrist, they're in the lower bracket, just
accept the loss.
But earlier you spoke about obviously the trends, right, Marcy going up, Shadowfiend
going up.
What if, you know, a heroic team that wants to play Marcy, right, it got banned, our counterpicked
right in the last phase.
Sure.
What if they give away the Shadowfiend and then the earlier picker Marcy and then they
create a problem like that?
I think it's fine if they do that, but they didn't really show yesterday that that's what they wanted to do
There's the there's like the instant Mars response that Vici did yesterday. Yeah, they didn't win either game
It I don't know. I think it's just a simple thing is just to ban it if especially because you come off a loss
It's better to be a clean slate. Yeah, and then with the Vici thing as well
I think team spirit was having the four sides like we are gonna ban Marcy and Windranger
I'm sure you'll know shiro is very good on both of those. So a respect band there as well
But they had already preemptively removed two of the strongest counters from what we've seen so far anyway of the shadow fiend
so I
Would imagine that if it's lower bracket. Maybe you'll address it just with the battery scary, right?
It's it's always the if we make one mistake if you lose one game now
The entire idea is, alright, this could be our last game of the tournament.
We want to put it all out, but we don't want to give the enemy team just this random 50-50 coin toss game.
But that's the thing, right? We'll always normally speak from both draft and play perspective.
Sometimes leaning more towards draft, right?
But here, for Heroic, they often will always go towards gameplay, right?
I feel like in other tournaments, they have, at least at Slans, they gave interviews about,
Uh, yeah, you know, panel is critical on this pick, but we can actually still do if we do this right.
So I can see a team like Heroic yesterday. It's like, if we make this smoke different or we make
this rush contest different, we can still play the same draft pattern. We can still play into a
Shadowfiend. So I'm not, it's not like stubborn. I just think they're very, uh, like proud in their
ideas and it sometimes works. So for me, I'm actually looking forward to seeing Heroic. They're
very fun team at like trying to find new solutions to problems.
So if Shadowfiend is a problem and they don't want to ban it, I'm really hoping that they
like cooked up some idea.
That's my kind of hope for the series.
I think that's definitely one way to look at things, it's like, oh, just don't, ignore
the heroes talking about the gameplay, but I also think the other layer to it is heroes
kind of enable certain gameplay.
Oh, 100%.
If you're like, oh, we want to play fast and then you pick anti-mage carry, sure this guy
I could maybe buy like a vanguard to fuse one ship to fights, but like when you pick the anti-mage you're leaning towards this like late game scaling
So even though yes, I do agree that the mentality shouldn't just I there's a bad habit on teams that I've been out
I think probably everything does this that the game is over and some guy goes
We shouldn't have picked the serial guys
Right me so much. Yeah, you're all just either in silence and you're thinking dude
We just like contested a fight with our bikinis and cooled in for 20 seconds like what yeah, exactly
We just made a bad gameplay mistake and so I think you have to be able to separate the both and just say
We made these mistakes in the game. Yeah, we could have done that differently
But also maybe if we had a hero there would have been more like if we made the same amount of mistakes
It would have been easier to play like it would have increased the amount of
Kind of mistakes you could have made but also the five heroes are fine
It's just the order in which the five heroes get presented within a draft can also be a problem, right?
Yeah, right when you look at her works game to line up
We both didn't like the order in which they're picked, but in combination with in a game
They had beautiful layering and that you could see at the Roche and fight said what they can do. So, yeah
It's hot. I don't know Dota draft all this stuff. It's very complicated
Very yeah, so many different angles to look at it
And that's why you know the best teams in the world can always
dissect a like a loss or a win or whatever and to go
That's the thing we need to improve on because if you try and talk about everything
You're not gonna prove on everything in one night, right?
I wish we could talk about everything but we we cannot so there's a lot of matchups player matchups
For in the in the different roles further on in the rules for the teams that I would like to highlight and you know
If there's if there's a draft late somewhere
Maybe we'll get the chance but for now let's cherry pick and go for Yuma versus shiro because I think that's a big story
Like gonna coming into this one. I think both of these players enable their teams like so much
I know Yuma is the type of carry to he is always so confident that he's gonna be able to win the game
And he wants to play very aggressive and it shows the other side. He's also this aggressive carry plays like Marcy
He's a constantly jumping and he's playing the way in then I think that yesterday. I think both of them got a bit
They got bad handouts from their their picks
So Yuma is very good gyro, but he was playing his first two gyro games in the tournament
I think he's more been playing like the ta's the shadow fiends even the Ursa rather than just like this kind of squishier hero
And on site of shiro
They're gonna come into the panel, they're coming to the panel, they're coming to the panel, I think.
Oh that is so funny.
It's funny because he looks like he'll be nicer.
For Shiro, yesterday it was his first two times playing Dragon and the Sven, which are these strength, stunning heroes.
It's the same thing, he's playing the aggressive, like the Marcy, the wins.
And it's just like this kind of playstyle shift as what's been working for them.
I'd rather they just go back to being like, just pick Yuma Ursa, just pick Shiro, the Marcy, the win, stuff like that, rather than kind of changing it up.
I also don't want to oversimple fire, but for Shiro yesterday, with the DK, the Sven against Spirit,
when you pick carries that are very locked into, my blink initiation needs to be perfect and I have to kill someone,
I feel like Spirit want to play into that type of hero, because there's going to be like double four staff,
Kai, a way to like reposition the engagement, and I think that pressure of needing to be like perfect, got to Shiro.
Like, we weren't seeing the best initiations compared to when he was playing, you know,
Just any carry that can poke in and out of the fight, understand the engagement that isn't locked into one moment.
So I think the pick, the play style of Shiro on these two carries against Spirit didn't really work out.
Maybe against other teams, he'll look God-like once again, but the stats, the win rate,
I don't think it really reflects how well Shiro's been playing in the tournament.
I think for me, it's like he's been the carry that has even maybe influenced the tournament a lot,
because with the Marcy, with the way that he's been playing certain heroes,
I think other teams have looked to Vici and going,
damn, wow, this team that wasn't meant to be here,
they're doing pretty good.
They're doing pretty good, yeah.
I do also want to touch upon that,
because if you take into consideration
that Vici Gaming indeed wasn't supposed to be here,
and we heard from Bach himself
that they only just started playing pubs
a week before this event,
then you can tell how much they have adjusted coming here
and how fast they can adapt and learn.
Yeah, I can't remember if I said it on morning panel evening panel
But I feel like normally with Chinese teams when they're screaming and planning things
They always build up like a certain amount of discipline or system or like an ideology that they have to follow
I think when they haven't had these screams when they haven't had this like
Time to understand who they're meant to be they are playing with more freedom that other teams might play with so actually
I enjoy the prospect of a lock. Yeah, it's like bitchy gaming unleashed exactly
You give them like two weeks of boot camp and it's like they need to do this at this minute
And to do this at that minute and they're gonna create these like kind of small
Exactly, and it's what historically Chinese Dota has done especially with extra
I think they're the most extreme version of it
But I think that you have always been different text you in that regard
But the most screams the creative freedom it is allowing them to shine a lot proposing that they never scream again
But yeah, it's terrible
But they should just show up and play not play Dota except for tournaments in front of us because we can't watch scrims
So what's the point of them? What's the point? Isn't it a viewer game?
Well, no, that's why we need to get like a stream team into the mix then they stream
Yeah, there's no way to know how that I was losing referencing a different game in which a streamer team
Oh, yeah, yeah stream scrims and that was conceptually cool for like a week and a half
and then people know what they're doing and the competitive advantage all the way.
Yeah, well, they're going to give us something great, so.
You saying that the Vici Gaming is unleashed and have like a lot of freedom,
I think that also really benefits XM, who has kind of, even when he was in extreme gaming,
he was the one that always liked to play with that freedom.
He is the one with the unorthodox mid-picks.
So I kind of feel, I think nothing is saying, XM obviously both fantastic players.
But it has been a very good for for accept to fit in the semen. I do think by the way, so looking at this one
I don't think Bach is gonna get his Mars. No, there's no way. Yeah, there's gonna be some respect on the Mars
But also we've seen Mars falter throughout all of yesterday, right?
We've had outside of maybe a little bit of a Bach magic, right? It's the Earth's account of the Ken's counters
I maybe you fall into a trap, but you're so comfortable in the hero
but then there's the playoff counter coming to play.
I think the other hero for me that's going to be, I hope it's big is Beastmaster.
I think Heroic kind of did it value like yesterday for Tylong.
And I think Yuma, I would hope that he's able to play it.
I think he's a very good player and he should be able to play it.
Because I think it's such a strong carry right now.
And there was times yesterday in the draft I was like, they should pick it.
Also same for Vici, I think that they can probably play all three roles.
So I don't know. I think the heroes are too strong to be kind of ignored like it was yesterday
Thank you for bringing up Beastmaster. This is like you've hit my like like a trigger for me
You know, all right, so I'm gonna go on a bit of a ramp. Sorry. Okay. Sorry trap. That's right. Hi long
Beautiful one of the strongest Beastmaster players that we have seen right spirit a first-pickin Beastmaster putting it mid putting it carry
Clearly showing up a lot here that it is there like kind of just mentioned
But for some reason, it has been over a month of competitive games from Heroic, the last
time that Tylong has played the Beastmaster, in which he went 12-1-11 against Tundra at
a LAN.
So it's like, after that game, is there a month of competitive play where you never
go, you want to try to hear her lads?
Never let them guess your next move.
Yeah, for a month.
Not when it comes out, they'll never see it.
save it for special like lower bracket you know it's like the bees in the
book yeah the title of the master they're saving for ti yeah if they pick
these and they want every game to get nerfed so they'll let other people pick
it and hopefully lose so it gets buffed and then when they get to die grand
finals game five all right so we have got the the bands that
Heroic is doing they are basically copy paste from what spirit did against Vici yesterday
But this time around Vici does not let the shadow fiend through it does mean that Mars is still in the pool dream protector now overall first pick coming out for
heroic and
Don't know what else you'd want on the first pick, but I think Vici game is gonna be happy with that Mars
I think the shadow shaman's also looks really good consistently the wards are really nice for such a tree armor because they kind of
Just like you threw it almost instantly. Oh, what?
wrong team
Was I wanted both teams to pick it? Okay both teams should have picked it or like have should have had the value on it
So I'm really glad it's getting picked up
There's way too many these drafts that I guess like 18 and then they're like the pieces in the pool
But they're like, ah, you know, we won an ember we want a faster
That's a new or special like just pick the beast. It's flex. They can go three quarters through
Make your hero against tree. Not only do you want ways to live in living?
I would like you mentioned but having this clean lockdown like when you do have the century when he's trying to be
aggressive. A good obscen-centry placement can break a tree in the mid-game, but
obviously with the chaos of competitive games, the speed in which you're moving
between areas, it is hard to have like perfect century placement. Gem getting
picked up at the correct time. I think it was a series yesterday where it's like
they bought Gem, Kuru comes out, it instantly dies. Next game they buy Gem, Kuru comes
up, instantly dies. Like the tree killed the Gem, or the tree's team, sorry, killed
the Gem. Or lost the Gem both times, so it was very rough. Yeah.
Beast monster into tree. I use axe.
Ha ha. You have no tree.
That's true for the lane as well.
That's, that's, I'm assuming it's just going off lane.
Yep.
3-4 stays coming in.
Yeah, I think it can flex, but it's most likely an off lane.
I think to pair with it, still the Shadowshawmen is good here if it doesn't get banned by Heroic.
It's, I want to say it's feeling like the most consistent support that doesn't get banned.
Like, I realize that where that's good is getting banned for the most part,
and now it gets through and it's good.
we always speak about gyrocopter at least from yesterday if this is the read
that beast is offline or bit you're getting half the ban gyrocopter here
because then you have tree gyro these cuts the tree to stop the tree playing
and our gyro is like ah now you have the trees to hide behind I can free flak you
right so I can see that I think I think it's fine to ban it I also think that
they do have 24 so they whatever the ability to dodge the gyro lane and they
can pick some like Razor or something that lanes well versus it and Beastmaster
realistically even if they prefer to be a carry is like what's a bad game
matchup for the Beast Carry like I guess Tidehunter Offlane is kind of annoying
because you can't really pressure him in the lane but Beast Carry to me it's like
you need Offlane that can just play out the lane and then multiple ways to scale
So it's like Beast of Us is two or three. Sure. Skating heroes.
It has to be three because you can roar kill a guy, refresh, roar kill the same guy.
And then the third guy shows up and unfortunately Beast of Us is a slightly weaker.
Probably better than me post. Yeah, okay. I think you can't. Yeah, ignore it.
And the jikiro comes out as their support of choice, the first one anyway.
as always just strong foundation just a support is one of those those guys that
gets it picked okay all right sorry no go they already banned the Viper to
counter it so yeah and they were the used by bristle in different ways than
other teams right they they do put it to mid lane and they can put it off in if
they want to so here is like if you were talking about Falcon like this would
have been like their razor pick that DK pick of the past right but for her okay
it's their bristle pick and of course you would lean towards a four position here to then actually
utilize the bristle pick in that flexibility and they go for the shadow shaman. I I love tree
shaman in combination for just the fact that you have free vision for tree and shaman will always
get the jump like shaman is about finding the correct initiation and yeah these two heroes in
tandem just yeah amazing.
13 bigs.
You know Braswell has very short cooldowns and spells.
You know it's good vs very short cooldowns and spells.
Are you about to say position 4?
Wait there's no time Dylation!
Is it time?
With the Mars cause he's going to pull the wave.
Or the Mars.
Right guys?
Good with Chirro, it's good with Beast.
I actually think it's pretty decent.
I do think it's pretty decent here.
They have been this combo of the Mars Void and it looks pretty cool.
pretty cool you get kind of like two spears are really fast in the fight it's
not like a chain stun or anything but sorry this is this is where you hope I'm
interested in science because you're talking about Mars and all the joys but
I'm like are you not setting up for a free aspect now for you know have you
not offered the bear to you know to to run for up the game what happens when
they land jacquero marza and they could just put the void five or something I
think the ursa wouldn't be too happy I mean ursa is strong for sure I'm so
the wood brother I don't I already in my head I'm two steps ahead now I mean
the issue is is there's too many good carries for her rogue in general because
of the heroes that they force getting banned like when you have your mid laner
and he's like now they have to ban huskar then they have to ban this random
people for Yuma there are nobody saw that coming that's not as fun it's also
planet position for isn't it isn't it zero percent win right yeah so it's been
picked a bunch but it's mostly ready that has played it I don't think
VG gaming has played it at all yeah it could be four or five but that in the
jikiro can kind of flex I yeah it's been position five the entire time but
The planet is one of the few four positions where it's like Him and Jin Q, where I'm like,
I rate their four AAs.
They're thinking of Blink Dagger early, they're even thinking second, third item refresher
in some games.
It is very explosive, but it is offering up Heroic to play very good lanes.
AAs are very weak cleaners.
I feel like they just picked TA for Heroic, and the game's just over.
Yeah, TA is.
Like, AAs just feels like such a weak hero, there's no HP region you're cutting off.
There's sure I guess the the two things that a you want to pick for are either the old to stop by healing or anti
The cost car stuff like that or the W spell amp and I guess you're amping your Beastmaster
And whoever's gonna be picked last maybe that's spoken. You may be but it's not like you have an ember, right?
Like when I see ember a a that makes so much sense of like you chain a guy vessel you put the spell amp even like a storm beasts
But they still have a carry pick. They could still potentially get like the
the more to carry that will you know utilize the vortex a bit yeah into the
bristle you don't care about it works after the moment it they're offering up
bristle to be the frontline there's the other pick that was mentioned earlier but
for the break like their whole draft is bristle goes up front look at me look at
me look at me and then us will jump after into that version will always be
able to you know assist in deleting that hero but that's your entire gameplay
right that you are ice blasting the bristle back and trying to kill him
through his pipe very quickly I will tell you they have a lot of damage into a
carry chronosphere void true but we got we got some carry bands coming out from
a heroic first first tylen needs his mid yeah you'd rather bristle back go off
flying then? Yeah, probably I would prefer catch like a fast catch hero like a
storm something like that looks decent obviously if the lane versus the Beastmaster
so maybe they might just think that the simplest way to get out of that lane is
the bristleback which I'm not super sold I would have I would like the ember the
storm puck is not amazing versus Beastmaster even like Void spirit just
some like mobile mid hero which I guess if if they do put the bristle mid you
could do that from the offline it would be something like the centaur or tide I
think would be too I think I don't really like the center too much because of
the Mars but maybe the tide is okay because he wouldn't really die to
anything I'm leaning maybe towards the Tylon primal beast in the mid lane just
for the idea of having more HP within your cores, having Earths of Brussels and Primal,
which are giving the way they kill heroes, it's the Roar, the Arena, plus an Ice Blast.
That is their kill combo. Maybe when Beast gets Refreshers and Sheavers and Ags, that's
everything. So if you have three heroes that you kind of naturally one of them will tank
at least two of the three spells, you would assume that the rest of your players would
have to shine in the earlier skirmishes. I like the ember band, you can vessel, you
can think about mage slayer, you can also go auras that we've been seeing from the mid
lane as well, but I just won the number. I don't know about that one, I think that was
a one-time GPK special. Nothing to say in pubs, I was watching some pubs last night
and he's been doing it as well, so no meaning to this game, but just warning you, it's growing.
The way that I see Heroic sign up thrive is like the the battle fury blinkerser with like aura on bristle
Be it from mid or off lane the pipe and then you are contesting the roce and the tormentor and you're just trying to make
Vici gaming use all their teamfight spells
Defensively are they dangling the storm?
Yes
Damn it. It looks like a good storm pick for me for heroic
I don't know I think if I'm if I'm gonna go with their place out it definitely would just be the Bristol mid
And then you pick some kind of like stun ish hero for whisper even like a punch
They played it before in the tournament and
The way that they they could potentially itemizing this game
It's just like double auras by the time us is wanting to fight
And I don't know if you even have the damage to deal with at that timing.
They're going to have to really play them up, like, smartly, otherwise things can fall apart.
Like, grieve on Darkseath, pipe on the mid-bristle.
You're expecting a character to want to make objective-based moves?
I think for Vici, they should put the Beastmaster carry.
Because it's a carry that doesn't really care about the Darkseer wall illusion at all.
Like, sure, you're going to give the Darkseer some attacks to you.
Like, congratulations.
But as I hear it doesn't really do anything, and I think you want to pick a mid that lanes
welvers the bristleback and has kind of like jumped to help offset the supports, the ursa,
like the storm spirit.
The storm spirit.
No, I think the way that they rounded up their draft of Vigie gaming is really nice.
All of Horak's lineup is like brawl, mass, aura timings, and now Vigie gaming actually
have ways to play around it.
You've got pick of potential, like all cores for the AA, you can kill anyone, right?
So if you want to smoke up us to go do something, you can.
I feel like they have some of the tools,
but I am just worried for 20 minutes, that's it.
That's like the 20 minute mark.
If they get over that, we have a competitive game.
You're worried for Vici gaming to eat for the first 20 minutes.
No, I think the lanes are fine for them.
It's just more like after lanes, like what do they
want to do on the map?
I just feel like Heroic will have stronger item timings
to play on first.
And Heroic might utilize that to break the entire game.
But if they don't, I really love that you're gaming like that.
It just looks nice.
Yeah, I want to say I like Featured Draft,
but I am very biased towards Beastmaster.
I think that here it just takes over games,
especially from the safe lane.
Anytime it's a safe lane, Beastmaster, I think it's good.
But the AA is kind of ruining it for me.
I think it doesn't have a good place in the draft.
It doesn't seem to be that good.
I think there was better options.
And on the side of Herot, just a hated, sorry.
It's always these cool players.
Hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Oh, you're born chill. Oh, I think her roads draft like all five heroes
Let's let's see what the others are finding. We got we got one. We got garras morning. Hello, super
Are they gonna hate it? Okay. Hey, do not hate it. I
The a I mean so far he hasn't won a game garras, but I actually still think it hasn't been a is fault
He's getting bad rep hair. You know, yeah, it's fault. I think a is a fine pick
you have all these setups there.
He's the O12AA.
He's got to keep losing.
So maybe now he can get his win after five games.
Surely he can't lose five games in a row.
Surely not.
Gareth, how about you?
About AA in general.
Yeah, what's in this game?
Yeah, I don't know.
Watching Riddies play it, there's always that kind of excitement of the ice blast coming in on all these stuns.
I think it's pretty good.
I think he put that artillery and lane to stone people out.
You've got that ice blast.
take those team fights. I just really worry about this lawn mower effect of a bristle back with iron shell and living armor on him running at you. It's a little bit scary. Well, I am hoping for the exciting aspect of the a let's see if it plays out here though in game number one.
Let's head into it. Game 1, Besta 3.
We'll see how Heroic and VG Gaming do here in this series down in the lower bracket.
Yeah, ultimately I will go back to draft just a little bit more and say that I do think Heroic got their hands on exactly what they want to do as well, right?
They have Ursa on Yuma, that's perfect. He's been delivering insanely well on this hero, definitely making it look super strong.
And they have a lineup that looks good for taking over early and then chilling a bit.
That's what they have been doing. They've come out swinging and then they stabilise that game.
The only concern for me is that off lane. Can they get a good game over on Whisper? Going
into this carry Beastmaster they're gonna point it out. Beast is a very, very potent carry,
stronger than a lot of other carry heroes would be in laning stage.
Yeah, not much to stop him from getting that agonist after, right? When we've seen him in
that mid lane, very often we've got trial in mid, you're shutting down the Beastmaster, agonist
delayed and then you feel a little bit sad but from carry you're gonna hit the
timings you'll hit your stride and there's not much left to slow you down
hit lane, storm against Bristolback, XM versus Tyllanc, XM already getting
Quills spammed with four stacks up on him. Yeah this is seemed like an adaptation
to the game they realized okay you know what sending Beastmaster mid against
Bristolback it's maybe not the best matchup ever they play it as carry
instead and send storm mid who's gonna be very happy getting all those magic
charges though he didn't start with magic stick even though he knew for sure
they was against the bristleback. It surprises me a little bit. Maybe Thailand
just likes all these heroes to spit on people. Viper, Bristle, to spit all the
poison. He really does. Once you're enemies, very disrespectful heroes. Park up
atop alongside planet. Look at Teolikar, he's going for the angle, going behind
with Rasta, they did see him but he has to be so careful.
I see him coming from behind.
He might catch up to Planet.
He drops pretty low.
And is able to step back and allow Vak to bodyguard through.
So some of those little lane adaptations as well.
Like the panel is saying, Planet one of the few players to play AA4 as we have.
The majority of the time seen as a position 5.
Going to be up here with the Mars.
Yeah, generally, I think the AA is going to be fine to do long range damage here.
One of the benefits of playing the AA is that he has really nice 675 attack range, so he can stay pretty far away from the Rasta and the Ursa, and get those pokes in.
They're still looking pretty solid.
CS-wise, fantastic start for Heroic though. They are dominating basically on every lane right now, 14-4.
Oh, Whisper though.
It gets the fact you have to push back Shiro, the axe has come, but he's got just enough to stay alive
Very very close there, almost dies
Now some big damage being done
That's the Beastmaster J'Kiro, very very scary level 2 timing
Yuma, he's on planet here, the Furious Swipe started adding up, but with a fairy fire
The King Snapper is going to be alright, nice little 3-cut there to make sure the Mars spear doesn't connect, nice little bit of tech
Just calling blade ready. I mean well, the only core found some time to be the carry instead and get some CS going while Yuma is off on some adventure.
HP region is low for Ursa right now though. No courier up top and they have no HP region at all between the two of them. I do believe this is an awkward situation for him.
Yeah, playing on a knife's edge every time he goes to lane to try and get some creeps.
He will step forward onto the planet, goes with you, pushes him back, drops low.
Planet's still alive, and a few more hits, what have done the trick, but Yuma gets in behind the trees.
While Whisper actually managed to kill off Shiro down in the opposing lane, they're diving on a tower.
Very far for J'Kiro, stays alive on one HP, but the little ticks of damage take him down in the end.
Very volatile, laning stage up top, we have again a gold Teolikor looking to set up on the morse.
Yeah, hold the shackles for as long as possible, so Yuma goes for the back end, kills the AA first, and they get both heroic in these side lanes.
The tightrope act.
The Teolikor and Yuma, they matched the coordinate that really well.
I think most people, almost everyone would just go straight for the Mars, but he goes for the double and still in Yuma.
And it worked out the right choice.
A 4-1 start now. I mean, such a close, close laning stage, but yeah, heroic.
Pulling out all the stops to get these little advantages in the lane.
Even just that tree cut, right? To not get pinned.
That started it all off here to keep you in the lane.
They can tell they're awake even though it's the first game they hear.
They definitely are acting sharp from the start of the game.
Yeah, even though Mars, one of these heroes that can kind of sustain against these
Ursa-Raza kind of heroes in the safe lane.
With a spear and a revue, revue can push them back a little bit.
Hang on, it's XM, dying on the tower.
the king jungles trian rotating in, tylen stacks up the kill sprays, xm already popped
his one so it just gets clapped down by the flail of tylen.
Good rotation, one of the advantages of having that off lane dark series that you can feel
free to make moves across the map, trian protector already having boots, getting in the movements
of your bonus from mageskies, you can just run over there.
The roaming trian, yeah?
But yeah, even though mars has tools to kind of stop himself from dying to some of these
annoying carries, he's still behind in the last hit with all the fighting that's going
Back at 14-2, while every other call having a pretty decent time, but overall, Heroic having a better time with a 2k lead as well
Yeah, Heroic are off to a flying start, especially Tylong on the mid lane now, level 6 already at minute 5
Starting to steal the creeps that Storm wants to farm as well
From the big camp and Storm is going to go jungle, but not really getting what he wants
And then Darkseer has his Helmavine will, so he's got an extra bit of sustain now to kind of deal with the Jekiro's damage over time
Moving into that, Helm the Dominator.
Take over the game a little bit from these early stages.
Whisper and King Jungle's going to be backed up by Theolokor in a moment.
First up, though, they're hastened towards Y.
He's being cut. They're being baited in, though.
They've set a challenge of lurking in wait.
They set the trap and they spring it onto Shiro, who's thought he could go for a freebie, but instead dies himself.
And now the dive? There's nothing to protect Y.
Why? Ion Shell, damage over time, plenty here to chase the N'Kira down.
The support's on Heroic, man. They're moving, they're making these active decisions to leave their lane,
to go and find kills on other lanes, and Ursa is completely fine.
He's got the face boots up top, so leaving him alone against the Mars who already got shut down
is going to be completely fine for them.
CS is starting to look pretty brutal for Radiant,
because of course they're close on the Storm and Beast, but Mars 21 CS lagging behind quite a bit the rest of the pack.
Yeah, in 7-1, a scoreline so many Brazilian players will be very familiar with, feeling very happy with themselves.
They've got themselves that lotus pool as well, as King Jungle's already 30 seconds ahead of the curve, looking for that move towards the Wisdom Shrine.
Something that we've praised back boom a lot through this tournament is that early move to get runes and shrines and heroic.
They're going to be doing the same thing here with Ty Long already swinging from that mid lane towards top,
Forcing spell cast from Bark and Planet just to defend this area, X, M, and Y have arrived.
It's got a shield rune, amazing them.
13 one charges and a shield rune.
It ties along as unstoppable as it just walks straight through.
Wisdom shrine for Heroic as four heroes guard it, and I think Vici Gaming here realizing they can't really approach this area.
Oh, that's so painful. Vici, they moved four heroes over and they're just gonna have to concede the wisdom.
Recognizing that, you know what, we can't go through the living armor, the shield rune.
I still want to try and look for an angle here if they can find a snipe on someone, but the fact that you've got Yuma and Tylong frontlining behind the tower, protecting both supports, means Vici Gaming have just got to a bleed, they've got to evacuate.
Heroic early game man, it just hits different, it really does. They play so fast early on and these moves that they've made have crippled Vici enough that they didn't have ulti in time, they didn't have marshal. If they're the rena, that would be a completely different situation.
And Shirou bottom lane, he's like, I want level 6 so bad, he's very close to it, finally gets the roar ready, but he's been stumped by Whisper Sentor.
Dived in the tower by King Jungles, he's going to go over the roar on the tree now, with the cold feet there, they've got the disables to snap and hold it in place.
Ice path comes in as well, and King Jungles bites up a little more than he can chew, but Shirou nearly dies to the boar.
The stolen boar, the helm of Dominator, is stealing his own pet.
Sometimes they can backfire against you when you're summoning a hero.
Come here boy!
Listen to the calls of the beast.
He's got a wonder back base. Beastmaster's going to be fine and at least this time there was no casualty for them.
So, heroic.
Maybe some of their pressure on the safe lane is at least gone.
20 health this year. I'm going to declare as the camp.
Even just the state of the game for the Darkseer, 4,400 net worth, a yes, they've done very well to play aggressively in that lane, but the fact that he was up against Beastmaster Jekiro, I feel like Whisperer has done very well for himself to hit his timings.
Here comes one of those possibilities though for AA to become a bit useless, right? You pick the hero for the ulti, you lose the wisdom rune, enemy gets double wisdom, right now we have a level 5 and level 5 on Heroic, both their supports very close to being ready with ultimates.
Whereas the AA still not even hit level 4
There's gonna be a very late ulti timing and that really takes away from their kill potential. Yeah, Mr.
Whippy's dripping down your hands
He's melting
It was a hot day on the way into the office today, Gareth. Yeah, the wrong day for AA son blaring down on us
The heroic a thriving the Thailand now going to inhabit this bottom lane. They've got this observable watching over shiro
Not really going to be diving Tier 2s ten minutes in, it's a little bit too far, but
they're absorbing a lot of the farm that Shiro wants.
This Aghanim Scepter timing, you know, we're talking about this level 6 on AA being important,
Shiro's Aghanim's timing is very, very vital here to BG gaming.
That's also true.
Man, they're just trying to extend the lead even more and this is that low-committal push
you and I have talked about a little bit before.
You can easily take the tower with the Rasta, drop the snakes, sit back and yeah, what are
you're gonna do go on the beast map or a bristleback? No. So 6k lead and closing in on 7000 lead at 10 minutes. That is
significant. Well Beastmaster has done 18 building damage. Oh
25 hundred of heroic. That's a stat line right there. What one bore auto attack on a building.
And then we've also got to think about this next 10 minute period right. We've seen heroic take these
14, 15, maybe 14 is a bit much, 15, 16 minute Rochens, and then go for that Tormenter early on, with the map being so wide open for you now, you've forced Vici Gaming to bunk you down, farm neutral camps, and kind of sit back, waiting for you to come to them, and that means you can just spread out wide.
Yeah, Herok have a lot of map to utilize, whereas Vici, I still haven't seen what I want from the Storm, you know?
He hasn't been part of a single kill yet, usually Storm. You want to get level 6, look for a side lane, go somewhere and do something.
He came top to defend the tier 1 in the Wisdom Rune, but his off lane wasn't ready.
So, eyes for me are on XM and can he activate? Because Storm is not a hero who just wants to farm.
It's got to be so annoying. You're a beast master. I've got the master of the summons.
Take control of his bottom lane. Then you have an iron shell satyr running you.
Clear your entire wave and you have to run back. You have to run away from a neutral creep.
Tylong, King's jungles and the king himself, whispers satyr, are going to come in and take down Y.
Yeah, that satyr is very, very strong at this stage of the game.
so much armor, iron shell, DPS, and a lot of time being found for the supports as well
to build up. As Planet wants to leech mid, he dies in three hits and some quills.
Yeah, just four hits.
I mean, that's a haste rune, it's unfortunate. If you're AA and you see your opponent gets
a haste rune, you're just like, yep, that's just unfortunate.
And then looking at the kills of each game you might be able to get requires a lot of
commitment. If they want to go on this bristleback, it's going to take every hero and probably
every ultimate to bring him down and then it's just that's one hero you're
going to deal with the other four. They have some interesting stuff right now
they can spear him that turns him around actually. That's good and they will turn
him around inside the arena, throw the spells that tie along and they do burst
him down as the storm zips in. Theolical grabs the illusion ahead of XM.
It's nice to have those little mechanics it's basically like a semi break you
could think against bristleback to have the spear it always turns the back
against the wall that you pin him against so that I should deal all the damage into a front door bristle
See how the go happy to grab up a double wave
Okay he's working on a very early blink dagger timing 700 gold to go
So obviously not quite there yet, but this is a rich shatter shatter still
Now the game is so developed it's only 13 minutes in but it feels like it's 20
I'm still waiting for Heroic to really hit some of these big item timings.
That would be looking for like Battlefury Ursa, Agathem Scepter on his crystal back,
and then Darkseer.
Like, Darkseer is already there, Helm plus Orchid.
Whisper out on the map, can actually look for solo kills.
He's very strong.
They're going for a 13 minute, they're speeding up, man.
That's where the first time we saw them, it was 17, 16, 14.
That was 15.
And it's been building now.
Now they're starting Ursa 13 minutes in.
Incredibly fast. The funny thing is the Earths isn't even here. The one hero
So good at taking Roche, that's the one heroes not here the rest of them with the power friendship are doing it
Of course, the rest of the is insanely useful. So funny
So Bristol back desk the ages and I've seen how much commitment they need to kill him once he's gonna have two of those lives
Yeah, he's gaming down 7k
They're gonna be down the majority of the map right now as the ancient apparition being eyed up by King Jungles
Nowhere to hide. It's quite cold feet, but you know you're about to die
Jumped on as the wisdom shrine is available for them. It's looking a whole lot like zero five is on the menu, Gareth
Yeah
With the Mars looking to defend their wisdom shrine
Drinking jungles down low heels up a touch and has an overgrowth to come in on the storm
Lotus is in play on the cage here to keep him alive and buy some time, but they don't have the follow-through to get into the arena and deal with XM, but apparently he can't jump away.
Doesn't have the resources to disengage, so Whisper just gives him the punch.
He was just in animation to try and cast his ulti there, the Orcid ran out, but didn't have time to get the cast out.
Level 1 ball lightning is, you know, still pretty slow. Get it going.
And you, Ma. Happy as all hell?
Last job team, you've killed Roshan, you've killed enemy heroes, and he's just farming
away with that battle fury.
And Shiro doesn't even have aggs yet.
He's about to get it, which is an atrocious timing.
I think Shiro is the only one who's somewhat acceptable in his team though, the rest of
them are all so far behind.
And Whisper using the Orcid to stack, I've always loved seeing this.
It's a fun way to make sure you can reach the creeps.
You're a melee hero. It's nice to have some ranged item that you can use.
Double Iron Shell.
Going around full of the ancients.
That's close to the 10k network.
I mean, he's insanely farmed.
There's one big Darkseer, and he's going for this murderous assassin-style build of Darkseer.
This is not your average aura carry off lane, right?
He's going for this Orchid into Blink,
and he will probably think about going Agadamn Scepter in this game, which excites me a lot.
I think Axe is insane on this hero, if you get to play it.
Yeah, he's really forcing the hand of XM to go for an early BKB.
It would seem these Stormers really like to go this Kaia Sange or some kind of...
scaling item, something that's fun, entertaining, but he has to go Kaia BKB.
Yeah, necessary.
Yeah, he's... and...
Now, going on Tylong,
Aegis, Crystal Fang.
They spend a spear and a few spells to jump one in with a roar,
and the Ice Class coming in for that vacuum,
Drags him into place as Shiro and Bach, both getting burst down.
Whispers low and we'll get found, though. XM running low on resources has to zip away.
Why? Down in the river, getting munched on by Yuma.
A 3 for 1 trade. Vici gaining, still being gone on, with the shackles coming in on the storm.
A hex as well, and Toilet's damage gets him to double.
Man, Thiel Decor has been on point this game. He was quick with the disruptive hexes there as well as the fight started.
And then he gets to catch towards the end.
Everyone landed their spells the way they needed to on Heroic though. They got massive overgrowth on basically everyone vacuum on three
Vichy
It's kind of tough right now than fighting 11,000 gold deficit at 16 minutes, but like
That's just tough dude. That's the thing right if this wasn't even game
We would be looking at fight and thinking oh, this is great to Vichy gaming. They've got the jump. They're getting the catch
But the difference in items in levels in tankiness and of course having ages on the bristle back
Look at the rest of here. He goes in, hexes one, you know, shackles another, holding them in place, stopping the Bristle from dying immediately.
And the three hero vacuum to follow up. It's just nasty stuff.
And Hero didn't really clump up, they didn't all just go in dog pile on a target. Meaning the planet...
Planet's job to ice blast? Not that easy. He threw it to try and stuff any further initiation, but...
of abilities. It's never gonna work out well for you when you go on a Bristol back with
Aegis and the rest of the team is behind them right? They took the gamble, they were hoping
that okay Bristol back is just playing aggressive because his Aegis, his team isn't nearby.
Unfortunately they called the bluff, it was not a bluff. They're on Shiro, they see him
now. Ooh, the blink. It's just barely.
A bit of a mad scramble now to get to BKBs. Storm and Beastmaster. And bars. All 3 cores.
Trying to get that game turning item which maybe could allow them to hold on.
That's the one item you need basically. Usually you need to get a Dispel, you need to get
BKB, otherwise you just get messed up by vacuum, by random overgrowth, shackles.
You need to be allowed to play the game.
Which is funny, because Viki Gaming to me is the lineup that I look at and see,
God damn, they have so many disables, right?
But it has been heroic who has been, you know, landing the best lockdown in these fights.
Yeah, and heroic against the BKBs of their own.
And I think all six of those cores are going to get BKB at a very similar timing.
So it's going to be a bit sad for Peachy Gaming when they realize the roar comes in on
Bristol back as they aim for theoretical Shadow Sharmin.
He's already dropped the Surfing Warp and a Storm's living on the Ty Lung, Ice Blast
on him so this arena spear is good.
Human Whisper both arriving, vacuum back the damage from Ursa, cleaving into them.
Stars on the Storm takes him out of the game but Shiro's still alive on this V-Spat, they
go in on the Ursa but as they're bind up from the Tread.
Catches him and holds him back, still going to slice him with the axes while Whisper chases
planet.
Shiro's still going and an ultracool for the Beastmaster keeps VG gaming in the running
Shiro is on the hunt, he's looking for the rampage, whisper trying to get to safety, has to hop
Or get available to run a skip away
Bark could have another jump here as well, pins him with a spear
Shiro's gonna come in here, Contribute pushes him back, they saw us the Beastmaster, whisper turning, fighting back
The big old heel is going mano a mano, but he can't stand his ground against the Beastmaster in his drums
It's turning around. Rasta's coming in soon. He can search the Rasta, send him forward.
It's not a firefight anymore, a 2v1, but it looks like even though Heroic had the numbers
there, Shiro's still too much of a mountain to climb.
They knew J'Kiro was coming up, so they didn't want to jump him thinking that, okay, we'll
go in with Shackle, but then Icepath is going to turn it around. A little bit respectful
there out of Heroic. Maybe it would have worked, but obviously easier for us to see with the
vision of everything. The cast is at the advantage.
A pretty huge 3500 net worth swing as well.
Yeah, that was insane.
That was so good that they got the Rasta early on.
They all clipped onto the beast bristleback, and then they lock in on him as well.
This is the kill potential that we wanted to see from the team.
Such a good vacuum silence.
Onto Storm.
With this chase through onto Yuma, Shiro just kept it going.
Even with the overgrowth there, he found a way to...
Yeah, the access. He sniped him from far away.
Not easy to get away from that for Yuma as well.
Slowed down quite a bit.
And then a pretty spread fight, Shiro marching to the rhythm of their own drums.
So finally they get something going for themselves on Vici Gaming, still looking at a 12k gold
deficit even after all that.
That was a very impressive fight though.
But back in live we had Heroic take the Tormentor, Yuma picking it up with the solo Ursa form.
And yeah, super important timing as well.
We've just been talking about the BKBs from both teams.
VHG Gaming finding that moment before their own BKBs and before Heroic's BKBs to find
a fight to utilize all their spells, so that gets them even closer to that.
Storms, Spell, Immunity, very, very important.
I also think this Yulestep there that Planet has picked up is going to be very nice for
him to have against Ursa, get some way to set up or even just disjoint Ursa from murdering
you immediately.
Ursa will of course go Basher after his BKB, but he'll at least give AA a chance.
I'm not bad against the search in Overgrowth as well.
They've got a reasonably fast Rosary spawn as well. It's about a minute, 40 seconds of that still remaining.
Could be a good spot for Vici gaming to go and look for a fight.
Yeah, Vichy have the Storm BKB flying out. They have the BKB as you mentioned before on the Beastmaster, that he still has not used.
And now Storm can actually go and find the Shadow Shard.
Yeah, and their smoke is very strong. Their smoke potential, they can pick off any hero if they connect onto it with Vichy.
Aggressive scribbling on the map by King Dungles.
Yeah, let's go move over there. Stop them from farming. We're letting them back in the game.
I think he's fine letting them be there as long as they control the Roche pit.
We can see the move down bottom setting up Roche just to respawn.
And of course the Treants. I in the forest has already revealed that.
You're making strange the pit.
It's so hard to react in time for this. They do have AoP to send and here the roar as well.
Well, that's happening, heroic. They're going to smoke behind though.
Not much vision to play into, they weren't able to come and prep the area.
But a little ward there, whispers going to use it, and they go back and play.
Law turned on Shattersharman, but XM being blasted down, bound up by the tree and ulti.
They can't restore his health, and Shiro at half HP is going to TP out, but you must damage with Tylong.
Tylong takes both cores down!
The Jekiro!
The Slyver the Flail!
Yuma gets the kill!
Tylong's damaged though, goodness!
Yeah, he hit it so hard.
In same damage coming up from Bristleback.
We've seen Tylong on this mid-bristle,
pop-off before, and, uh, yeah,
here, Lord, he did 3.5k damage
in what was a very short fight.
Normally, they think Bristle, you know,
he needs a little bit of time built up to his coil stacks,
but with Agnus after,
He's a very bursty hero.
You would see a jump again, of course.
Nice jump by Darkseer, starting it all up together with Rasta.
And once Tylon connects, gets in there, he starts wailing at people.
BQB or no, does not matter against all the physical damage.
Giving up your position by throwing the actors and Whisperers, taking the opportunity to strike.
That's rough though. That was beachy hoping to make something good happen with double BQB.
XM is getting eyed up by her right there.
I'm going to go hunting for the storm there, focusing right now and pushing out the waves.
Right there, trying to cross the tier two towers.
Yeah, I'm so having fun with it, I'm on damage down. I took from Bristol.
Hey, he's maxed.
He's going for this refresher build. It's the same build that was at Whisper doing it
the previous time. So of course his teammates showing him the ways. I think Tylong was like
that looks fun. I want to do that too.
I mean in these quick bursty teamfights where you're just throwing everything, makes a lot
of sense.
Yeah, double B to B is also insanely strong on Bristol, so why not. And the regeneration
itself is so strong on Bristol that we've had, you know, obviously the Dorosama build
with all region builds and so on and Refresher gives a lot of region.
There it goes, yeah.
The Hux back to the old days of the Perseverance builds.
5-4 Perseverances.
Yeah.
Back when it gave 7 damage or 14 damage or whatever it was.
Alright, with a firm grasp on this one now, 19k lead, making sure there's no wiggle room
for Vici gaming.
Planet tried to find any space but he's gonna get hunted down by three while on the other
side Tylong just slaps by.
Both the supports go down.
Very difficult to get out on the map at all for them right now.
That's Priscilla with solo kills, did you care at the moment she goes?
And the first one having Aegis can just easily siege up on Mint, and the damage is pretty significant.
I don't really think the first one has a pushing hero, but he's allowed to right-click, he does push.
Like 400 damage a click, that's not bad.
And it gets really impressive when this tree and just have eyes in the forest everywhere.
Very difficult now to leave your base without being scouted.
Difficult to find any avenues where you can smoke and make a pivot towards the lane.
2.5 minutes left on Thailand's Aegis as well might indicate Heroic going straight to high ground with some certain wards
For now the cliff on the wave the banner
No ulti from Shattersharman just yet allowing Karthi McCarty sent to do a bit of chip damage
He's waiting
I think he wants to wait for a next creep wave as well because if he puts the wards right now
Target priority would be higher on the wards than the siege creep and they would just die
But if the creep wave comes in
and the creepway will tank it for him.
They've got the banner to give the car a life, don't they?
Just keep that catapult going, the trebuchet in effect.
Serpent Wars now with the next wave, like I said.
In the future gaming, we'll try and drag the creeps away.
This guy is sniping the wards from far away.
I poke with AA on the Serpent Wars and the boar helping out.
They don't really want to rush into enemy base teams,
even though they have a very significant lead.
They could just let part push.
It's hard to get this banner, it's far enough back.
Hey, why not get it?
Realizing his job is to kinda stand up there
and look heroic in the eye.
Oh, yeah, but he can't stand for too long.
No.
There's a lot of blink heroes.
Very scary.
That would like that one.
We won it.
I like that one.
Okay.
He's gonna get roared up.
Still have his Aegis though,
so the secondary life war is gonna pop.
Ah, so they go on this?
Roar.
There's Makriplier.
Mark doesn't want to go for the blink spear, Tylong of course with BKB Refreshing, like you said that double team-up immunity is very difficult to break through.
I don't know if they can fight at all after using the Prime Aurora.
We're gonna have to try. It's all on the...
On this whisper, all the big vacuum into wall, blowing up wide, planet buys back, Mark goes to the arena, on to Shadow Sharmin, the icebox looks good into the back as well.
Tylong with the BKB, refreshing up, spawning, cool sprays, kills off the Mars.
Oh my god the bristle back so much impact again the overgrowth very good
patience coming out from King jungles making sure hold the Mars in place so
they can get brought down by the bristle. Well that's just round one bristle still
has another BKB to go. He's looking for round two and whoever will fight him but
I don't think they really want to fight here is that bottom farming a mental
style right now that's a thousand all the way. I think you're right no roar now
with no arena or macro player you just have to relinquish control of your base
The Barbarians come in, take down all your buildings.
They really are the brawlers, heroic.
Got the Bristle and the Ursa.
He's a tough guy, isn't he?
They're looking to catch Shiro.
He's on the lane.
Ursa and Shadow Sharman, they're onto Shiro.
They've got him all locked up and...
Oh, no buyback.
Dead for 70 seconds.
That's a long time.
He was trying to finish up the Man's Star.
I think they might even know, because he has the components for a Man's Star.
for a man's style so unlikely that he has to go for buyback.
That's he even bought out the tie at him.
So now it's a sprint towards the radiant base.
At the same time, they can kind of chill.
They don't have Aegis anymore.
They could just play this game like,
what do Vici have going for them right now that threatens heroic?
Very lethal.
I will keep all the lanes pushed in though.
Make sure there's no easy ways to get out and cut waves or find those pockets of
farm that we've seen a lot from Team Spirit in particular, very good even in
these losing games to get out and find that extra net worth that will maybe
level the playing field. Heroic keeping a very firm grasp on the raiding base as
Whisper with another three-man vacuum finds both support, wide-dead, planet to
follow shortly after without buyback on this AA as well meaning no ice blast.
That's gotta be mid-rax. There's no way to defend against the snakes as well.
An AA ice blast. Perhaps one of the most critical tools for them when they're this far behind.
Bomb for 60 seconds.
And everybody's starting to look a little bit too tanky to really die. The 35 armor darks here now.
Having to shield us.
Let's baby step for Vici Gaming.
What a tie.
Go for the blink of the eye, but if he can ease up from Ty Lung,
Yumi comes in with a bash and a few swipes onto Shiro to force him back.
Spear on the other side of the car is going to put the shuttle shop in an awkward position,
but Heroic is going to stand together, fight together, arena there,
but the Mars and the Storm never fall in quickly.
I think Vici Gaming has their last hurrah in this game one, one more more shot.
But Heroic say absolutely no.
Magcretra king jungles, that was again a double BKB piercing overgrowth coming out, he always had the right timing on this, playing against multiple BKBs, he realizes his power is to shut them down even after they use them.
Very impressive stuff, and very fast from Heroic.
It is a good day for all ancient apparitions fan to see him be 0-5 in the lulaki and that
means maybe there's a chance for a buff on the horizon because that's why silver lining
right there.
I will say Heroic played so fast and so nice and it was good for their style.
I don't think it mattered which hero there was on the other side.
The hero didn't matter.
Yeah, no, it's really not a bad hero.
Oh, God. Well, luckily for Heroic, this is one of those games for me where it's like, you can already see
like the playbook of them prepping this, like within like this, the practice time, the scrims, whatever,
because like, thinking about 13-minute roadshams, not many teams talk about this, but with this combination of heroes,
they want to do it. The Bristleback going for ag BKB refresher, knowing that you can just scale after your free game,
don't go for auras, become another core, Darkseid going for an orchid, the Forster Storm to go for a BKB, like,
Everything heroric did was built on the fact that they crossed the lanes
They knew exactly what these areas wanted to do and it was just an absolute treat to watch across all five players
All all their lines was so well
I think better than I was expecting the mid
Highline was doing good and then there's a game from the trees because of storm and then top lane they're getting double kills bot lane
They're getting double kills. Yeah, and it was just it it felt like
Paroke really woke up today kind of mad about yesterday and they wanted to
Yeah, I mean, it was quite the beatdown. Not a single tier one tower dropped on the side of the road, no?
There was a stat of the building damage and it was like 10 or 11 or something.
There was like 18 damage total where it was like one beast ball or something like that.
It was like, it was really rough of itchy gaming in that regard.
But yeah, like the, it's just another game where I've seen mods get picked up quite early in a draft.
And it just, I just see it.
It was middle of the draft though, no?
Yeah, but like early enough. I don't know. Maybe I'm just losing stock in the in the mass personally
I think it was I think the Mars matters a bit less in the draft when he's not
Picking into like the range carries because the arena loses value all these cores want to buy BKB anyway
And so arena is like a very hard tool to use whenever it's like BKB because either you just don't click your spell until like 15 seconds
To the fight when people are dead or you like click it and then it's like oh the BKB they ran out
Yeah, I know so it's like you'll then pick in the ancient Russian blind and then you're then putting a Mazda lane
Like already we critiqued Mars and Amili here as a problem.
A.A. Mars is also another problem.
And then Whisper, he gets his Darkseer, he's playing into a Beastmaster.
You think maybe Beast is going to do okay in that lane?
Nope, that's another lane that they win.
Because of course they do the lane swap, where the tree lanes with the Darkseer.
That gives you the double Amili, the double presence in fighting.
So yeah, lane swaps from Herorica were really strong.
The draft this time around was very strong.
They kind of baited Vichy Gaming into some just weirder picks.
and, uh, yeah, just go next, I guess, I mean, I think that that's what that's really what Vici
has to do. They have to be able to brush this off because this was, if you were to look at this,
this is the way heroic wants to play. They weren't pressured in the draft. They weren't
pressured, or at least not enough anyway. They weren't pressured in gameplay. And I feel like
Vici Gaming, they had a plan how to play this game, but they just didn't get the chance to play it.
Yeah, I think that they were kind of hoping to go even in the lanes and then use the
Storm Beastmaster combo with the AA to burst heroes and try to pick them off
but then
Heros response I especially just seen they was like all right
We'll just pick tank heroes that don't die like we'll pick the dark sir
We'll pick the the ursa the bristle and it's just these heroes that have so much HP
It's hard for them to get bursted and then they play fast in the sense that they're not getting picked off
they're always like three heroes on the same screen four heroes on the same screen and
I mean there's some funny things where like the ursa wasn't there for the 13 minute roast
That's so cool. That's not cool that in the game you're like, let's quickly go do this.
That's clearly a conversation where because of Goode, because of Surf and Wands, because
of like, you can do it. You can do it, right? Because if you try and convince someone in
a game that someone's going to be like, eh, maybe not, right? But like, that is as a team
that's always available in their playbook, right?
And if you then see the Ursa on the lane, it means that the enemy team will just probably
not expect that there's a person being done because surely they would do it with Ursa.
Yeah, and then like the 16 minute fight when the Bristol died, but because he had the ages at 16 minutes is like, oh, okay, it's still another good opportunity for her to keep breaking, um, side of the gaming.
Yeah, there's one thing that the gaming really has to pay attention to next game, though, and I think that does any team that's playing against heroic.
Wait, what, those wisdom shrines? What the heck? How could he come and get away with getting them every single time? And with him, I mean, Yuma, for some reason, he's just on every one of them.
Oh, before minute seven, there's a laning phase.
Yeah.
They got to win that first.
Well, not even. Then you're allowed to think about it.
There's times where it's like even if you lose on the lane.
Like this is our room.
This is the way to come back.
There's so many times I see them,
you might go even a lane or so you lose,
and then he just shows up with a KJ on the Wisdoms.
And it's like, it's a 50-50 in those games.
It's like, I see them, you can double kill
and give the Wisdom,
and those are the games that looks rough.
And then the other side, there are other games
where they just take off your Wisdom,
and the game is really good for them.
But just being ready to fight them, right?
Yeah. Yesterday, Yuma and KJ against Spirit
actually gave away kills in the lane.
They were dying, it was rough.
And then today, that aggression flipped with Ymir and Teodokor was like game-winning laning with Vashamnasa.
Being ready to fight them, trying to outplay them, because if they die, you're not going to see this type of game.
Because they got the kills, of course, heroic. They are like a very strong team when they hit their timings, they know their timings.
I think the other way you can look at it pretty easily is instead of defending yours and having a TP all over here is across the map.
If you just stack yours and just bring your supports bot, bring your mid laner bot, just like mirror the matchup.
Yeah, because then it's harder for you to connect to those fights and he's usually playing the like the gyros or even Ursa
I think is like pretty good at that timing with like phase boots and just
Don't play into them because what keeps happening when that success was also like the enemy carry
There's like our gamer is a razor carry the teepees to come by himself and then the mid teepees to come by himself and the support
It's like it's a 1v3 1v3 1v3 like four here's in a row and do they all die
So just like make a move make it solid make it good
One last statement please.
Go for it.
Ancient apparition please.
For the love of all things up and mighty, whatever.
You have to see four heroes first before you pick it.
You have six.
You have six hands.
You have to see like two drafts.
You have one, and the series is over.
You're playing game three for fun, and then you can pick the A.
I think Gunner is wrong, but that's okay.
See four heroes, pick the hero, then you're good.
Don't blind pick it and give them all this count of shenanigans.
And also, put it four, put it five.
There's a lot of things for reaching gaming to consider after this first game that they did not win.
Heroic is the one that is looking to move forward here if they just win one other game.
Let's see if they can do that in game number two after a break.
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ranking all of the carries, 5 being the worst, 1 being the best, you're allowed to do yourself.
Who would you like to put as 5th best carry at the event?
Kiritich.
Kiritich, that's a good, good choice. Is that just personal history or what's up with that?
No, no, he's playing very good at this tournament.
Okay, skill, very well. How about number 4?
Skeeter.
Skeeter, the Skeet Goat. Don't you, you know, don't you have a rivalry with him? Don't like him very much?
No, I like him.
Okay, good.
Friend?
Good place.
Okay.
Number three?
Number three, hmmm...
Ption?
For sure.
Hmm.
Okay.
Yeah?
Yeah.
What?
Very good performance.
No, no.
You don't know?
Ah, Vtion.
Vtion.
Mr. Substantive.
Mr. Alec.
Yeah.
Mr. Alec would obey.
Okay, okay.
Wow! Okay, I was just fishing for something and I caught it. There we go. Alright, number two.
Number two, Satanic.
Satanic, okay.
Nobody can beat him. That is true.
Except for one person. Rank one. Who is that?
Batek.
Okay. Why?
He's playing very good performing this tournament. Young star, you know.
Okay. The up-and-coming star? And you did not include yourself on this?
No, no. I'm like top eight, ten.
Top ten? Okay.
Okay, very humble as always. Thank you so much. The new rising stars are coming out here according to you all, Toro. Thank you
I do appreciate that you Toro puts the number one and number two of his tears of his rankings for Karius, Buttega and Satanic both of course
Well, one actual Yellow Submarine now, one former Yellow Submarine, and of course,
Itur himself, also former Yellow Submarine and Yellow Submarine,
considered to be the Team Spirit Academy ground. So that was a nice touch to that one.
We are of course focusing our attention here on two other carry players.
Oh, they weren't mentioned at all in the tier list. That's why they're top eight here, not top five,
I guess. For now, one of these two teams will move forward. It is going to be Heroic and Vici Gaming,
game two coming up and VG gave me lost in one and TGov and we talked about how they were
struggling on multiple fronts of that game. Now if you could only choose one thing to
change for this game, which aspect of the game should they focus on? Because there's
limited amount of time, you can't focus, you can't fix everything in one go.
I would know.
I'll let TGov first.
I never know my answer. I can't say the AA once again.
that was not just a
Okay, imagine they did pick a stronger laner that with more team fight like they or something that pulls the waves better
They like I genuinely I think the faces void would have changed the lane outcome more
I think it would have changed the team fight outcome more
It ends up being really good versus because like you need your W to do damage like there's a lot of actually like really good things
I think the void would have made their drafts better. So I mean, I'm not gonna say it was
100-0 AA's fault but you know I would give him more than 40% I've got it all right, so
Don't put shiro on a Beastmaster. All right, even though it kind of looked okay for the draft
We're looking at a shiro dot Beastmaster second game total in his career
The last time he played it 11 months ago. He lost the team spirit now. He just lost to heroic of course doing roughly the same build
It's like it's not it noise hero. We've seen him shine on all these other kind of just styles of Dota
photo, you have an AA4 losing lane, you have a beast carry, just without the experience
of the reps, and then you have Heroic just firing on full cylinders, they've got everything
they want, they've got the Yuma Ursa, the KJ Tree, Fiona Coron of Shaman for the billionth
time, I'm looking at Heroic in full comfort, full strategy, full everything, and then Vici
gaming it's just lost. So yeah, pick stringer laners, don't pick these like unconventional
things that aren't really utilized too often for them.
Well one thing is going to stay the same regardless, we are still going to have heroic with first
pick and we are still going to have VG game with second pick and overall last pick. So
I don't know and obviously both are also on the same side so some so both teams do prefer
This one and that's nice. Are you gonna change it up with banning out the tree because that was the first week coming out for
For her rope. I don't know how much that made a difference in in the lane in particular
I mean the lane was obviously good, but I don't think it was necessarily
The biggest issue. I think the biggest question mark for me is if you're gonna say the Beastmaster
It's like if they don't pick it
Then maybe her oak picks it. Yeah, and it's it's one of those really awkward things in the draft where
when there's a broken hero of a tournament or a series or something and you get it and then you lose
and the next game you're like ooh should we pick the beast again and try to run it back or do we
potentially give it to the other team and then when you lose to it it's such a bad feeling if you
can't beat it you can't win with it. Well that might just be also the case for the Shadowfiend
Future Gaming has not been able to beat it in the last two days so we'll see if Heroic will try
their hands on that one. Yeah, they promoted Tree to the first place bands, then giving
away the Shadow Film we only saw on camera, you kind of nodding his head, he's ready
that it's probably going to be the pick here, so yeah, they locked that in. And with Marcy
already in PMTV band by Heroic as the first overall band of the draft, that to me would
be like the best response, but... Okay, so yesterday we had this in the Mars follow-up
We've got that as well. I will say that even though Vici Gaming lost O2 against Team Spirit with this exact opening for both teams, the games still looked close. They weren't necessarily out.
Yeah, Mars
Sorry, but on the Mars did actually
Have some like pretty good builds later's going like straight refresher after the BKB blink like he he was making sure that he was like scaling into the game
It helps that Mars into shadow fiend is the
Melee burst range matchup that you want for out the game, but you want mask painted a range carries
That's what I meant. Sorry. So that alone is good
It's you now need to have the rest of your draft to give life to the Mars
If you just if this is your counter to it and no nothing else you are gonna run into problems. That's what they had yesterday
Great follow-up on the arena is of course Greek ice blast
Wait, they have 24 bit. All right, so when they last pick
Is any last production for some new panels
Suggest here was like ancient
Suggest I think we should give me should be a case
Good one guys.
All I'm doing is trying to make a wonderful host feel, you know, seen and supported.
And when she talks about AA, I'm not going to shut her down, that would just be cool.
You can't shut me down at all.
I will, I will.
They're not going to pick Ancient Afters.
Just like Heroic has actually shut down the Tiny.
Now yesterday we started to chat a few with the Tiny being so good, why would they be
the ones banning out the Tiny themselves?
Yeah, come on.
Perfect.
probably they're worried about the 13 that they might pick the tiny before
them I don't know why they're specifically banning it because it
doesn't seem like a like it doesn't seem like a one-to-one counter to
shadow fiend maybe it's just a fine hero so that band definitely doesn't make
sense but I could see the argument that it's a throwaway band that there's
nothing they feel is necessary to ban and they rather keep more of the good
strong heroes that are good for both teams kind of open so your band is kind
Like hey, you know, we're probably not gonna get it or or they don't want it and we'll just pick
Yeah, speaking of standard stuff
Very standard both jacquero and shadow shaman pretty darn standard
Yeah, also when you think about the trades, right?
It's you give away the jacquero you want the shamans and then you ban the tiny because if there's jacquero and tiny
They want to take tiny that can annoy your shaman pick because you want to stand still hold shackles
Avalanche is quite good. So if you want to go a couple lanes deeper
could just be something along those lines but yeah heroic going back for their uh their staple pits
and the supports are all just like yeah top five supports top six and just like i just go down the
list of like what's got jacquero okay what's good okay shaman gets picked a lot all right you know
We take it. You do wonder. What list did they have? They have the list.
That was a zero percent. We're not a hundred. Oh, that was a do not pick.
Ah, so I misread it again.
This guy stapled it backwards. Yeah. Yeah. This was the best of us.
All right. First time we use a bonus time here, by the way, for VG gaming,
Everything else is kind of figured out. They go for the puck here for exam. That's a pretty cool pick. I don't think
Like it's it's funny to say but puck is one of the men's I think it gets countered
But it also doesn't really care the counters
But an experience wise like in this tournament Thailand hasn't really played the counters to puck that often because he's getting the random like
Viper Oscars and they're getting banned so he doesn't even get to play like the specific counters would be like a void spirit
Surely if there's ever a game I get to see Thailand say Beastmaster. It's gonna be
Alright, sorry, I didn't mean I don't please I love the planet faces would pause for itself
No, I understand what hero are you?
Beastmaster again
It's been a month of me watching bloody heroic play and I don't get to watch him play one of his best heroes
Most of the times it's a voice of a void spirit that goes up against Puck though. I think it's a main void spirit
Yeah, but we can now pick it now or go for Yuma here. You pick it now. I think that it
The reason you pick it here is not playing Shadowfeed my bad. Well, that's it.
Yeah, but I think mostly the biggest thing about it is not only is it's good for his Puck
But it's a mid here that buys Manta and versus the position for void
You definitely need a mid that either doesn't use cooldowns or rushes a Manta like first or second item because
the majority of meteors just hate time
violation so void kind of fits both of
those I'm trying to think of like a
storm can be okay versus void because
you don't really use cooldowns that much
like the Q and the W is not hundred
percent necessary post your jump but
then you're playing storm at a puck
which is sad so void kind of is my
favorite to deal with it
hmm that's also the the Tylen Viper
available for a lot of magic damage
sure yeah you naturally will think about
BKB all and it's good
Guys if only could see the face
I did have a definitely sound my face then whoo, you know what would also give a deathly like what F
You're actually going to say that.
Sorry guys.
It's serious business.
Elimination on the line.
I'll focus up.
I think that most like they should be smith.
They're going to pick whisper as an offline last pick.
He's technically blind because it could be the void or it could be flux.
I think it realistically it is blind.
I think that is what he's just positioned for.
I think having like a short cooldown stauners and then that can start fights like the project actually looks.
actually looks pretty decent to kind of follow up because if he spends this long stung so I think like an offlaner that kind of goes in
Or is are also really good this game like the Darkseer looks really nice last can you didn't really buy too many or is
I think having the ability if the game was a bit closer to buy ours instead of like the stompy aggressive items is also good
The I'm leaning like towards title concurrently maybe a little bit more towards conquer
interesting
It just for like damage mitigation like when Chateaufin steps up sure I into arena coil
time zone. It just helps having a bit of rumbuff on you. It's like a historical
cap to it. Whisper is one of the few players that is playing this hero. You
also then have like map preset with like TP back to base of X. You keep the
Beastmaster on the map. Everyone's kind of happy, same thing with Shadowfiend.
Now we know Shiro likes playing the Rainscarries, right? And the Rainscarry
that we've seen people try that is not banned, is only Medusa left? Razor?
Razor, I guess, here.
Water?
Oh, yeah.
But if only you'd have an AA for...
No, I will stop.
Heroic's still thinking about their last pick there, though.
Yeah, that's scared for the AA, that's fine.
Oh, God!
Yeah, gotta consider all options.
I will say, for this draft,
both teams had a lot of time left
for their final pick,
meaning the rest was kind of...
a lot of prep already went into
I have all the flowcharts ready and the voidscript comes out so that's...
Oh I have bad news too.
I'm gonna cry.
A Beastmaster of the Lane.
I'm legitimately gonna cry.
Oh, I think...
It's fine.
I mean, with the Jarrow ban, the Clinkz ban, it was indicated of an offlane.
Beastmaster, where'd you go?
The other good thing about the Beast is it prevents the Faces Void carry, because that's
such a bad matchup.
True.
So you're kind of forcing this Faces Void into the support role with carry bans, so
it kind of makes this pick a bit harder, which, like, I think Werther is fine versus
Beastmaster in the lane. I think the Razor, I've seen do fine because you kill the boards
with your Q, the plasma field. I definitely think there's, and the J'Kyro. The J'Kyro
lane is pretty good versus the Beastmaster. So it doesn't seem like the Beastmaster is
old, that it's just some guy that stomps the lane. And we're also not going to go down
the rabbit hole of Offlane's Void Spirit, right? Of like a Whisper of Void?
No.
I think that's a little too...
accepted my position and well we're going with this it's okay. So what boxes do you want
Shiro to take care of with his carry pick because his ranged carry is that the only box
so far that we need? I think ranged carry is the best preferably good vs beastmaster even
the doosa that you mentioned earlier could be good. I think any of those ranged carries
just look good. You could pick a melee carry it's just I fear that they will potentially
get a bit outlanded by the Beastmaster and it's wazier for them to like commit and they have to like commit harder in the fight
And then they get roared in the shadow thing three shots them. It's way more sad versus. Oh, there's a still in we
Yeah, I was looking at the earth. So it's just I don't know it doesn't seem there's so much BKB piercing disable
Yeah, between the roar between the warlock will there's kite. I think having some range carry that can kind of
You have like more space in the fight because since you're ranged you can let your puck kind of body for you a bit more
You can lay your martyr's body for you. You don't have to like blink in click your spells on the enemy first on the initial go
You can wait till it's like a perfect opportunity. It just seems easier to kind of play the fight
You also need to help your team with some damage in the early game. There is a world of a heroic gets to run over again
All right, I just saw that the TA was in bands
Sorry, and it's really good for such a thing as we've seen a lot before it scales well versus shadow fiend
Versus the Beastmaster it can get weird and lame be the jacquero to kind of carry you versus the boars
So I really like this and even the traps matter a lot this game having a silence range to stop the shackle catch the void spirit
This is
Probably the best pick they could have gone here. Yeah, I mean just having the death so buying here that can go
Thank you for your control. I'm gonna get a kill is really important. So as long as the TA can get to her
Couple item timings and then play through her team. They're gonna be in a good spot
But you know, right they just have they have the layering of heroes that just look scary, right?
like Tylong plus Whisper together, when they get Tylong with an active rune, you play to
the Whisper lane Catapult wave, you take that tower, that conception just sounds like T.A.
is going to be in a bad position. She's going to have to move back and Puck, Maz, Void is
a lot of setup, but you're still waiting for T.A. pretty much. It's all control and anticipation
of Shiro.
My gut read is that I think the faces we pause for always looks good. I'm a fan of it, but
mostly that every time there's Puck that gets popular in the tournaments, I'm just in games
and it lanes versus Void Spirit.
It like, I know pubs, it's like,
ah, it's such a good match for Void.
Everything about the match makes sense for the Void.
And then you look at it in tournaments
and the Void does win the lane.
And then somehow for some reason it's 20, 30 minutes
and the puck's still 10-0 and it doesn't matter.
So I just worry that the puck later in the tournament
is just as too good of a hero.
I'm just sad that Thailand's not playing Beastmaster.
But he's playing Void Spirit as least he's not Viper.
I'll be honest, man, I couldn't care less.
I've really, really, really, really,
look at the Whisper Beastmaster.
maybe you know you can we can appease to uh to calves potentially to convince him that maybe
a long playing beast let's find out what he thinks about the draft who's standing by his left
yeah let me go ahead and share with one of the greatest coaches of all time your guys's ideas
good idea okay anyway uh hello welcome cast so good to see you yet again i want to talk a little
bit about this matchup mid all right we've seen a lot of voice spirit especially from you guys
and we've seen a whole lot of puck especially from guys like nisha how do you think that that
goes in favor of who? I honestly think it's it depends a lot on the supports for
the early game which one has the advantage because they don't really care
about each other that much and we have the better supports this game and after
that I think White Spirit has some really nice timings against Park that she
has to itemize against and then the hero kind of loses its strength because it
needs to atomize damage, right?
So she can be that unstoppable force on leg game.
And Void Spirit make it harder for her.
But honestly, there are some games where Puck just scales
and they are like a 50-50 matchup in the leg game, even.
So it's kind of a weird matchup.
Sometimes it defends a lot on how the game goes.
All right, thank you for that detailed answer.
Let's get another one about support Void.
We've seen this before, especially from this team.
What are your feels on it?
I know Wagamagaga says it's the greatest thing in the world.
So does Gunnar, he says, insta-win your thoughts.
I think it's good.
Yeah, I think Faisal's right is good on Super.
And it's don't get distracted by the game.
Keep answering the quote.
We'll get you there.
It's just about if you can survive the tempo
in the early game, right?
So he has the impact because the hero doesn't do that much
in the first 15 minutes.
So yeah, but I think the hero's good.
I think they're right about it.
Flash question, who's going to win?
You or them?
You get one chance.
I always say this but what if you're wrong you'll look stupid they'll laugh at you
Okay, okay, great. Well, he says that they're gonna win so we see who will into the game
We go game 2 and yeah, it's something that is a serious mode
Why is he dying down the bottom lane to whisper on his beast master?
Not my lunch sad fatigue up as we have ourselves in the game to
Elimination zone for Vici gaming if they lose this one. Yeah, don't let the game distract you slacks. It's not why we're here
They've got the kill already there's been some interesting things absolutely first of all top lane century war
Yes, that century word on the tier two tower it missed just barely didn't pull
He wanted to do the aggro pool and creep wave to get the first creep wave under tier one tower
But he placed it outside of the vision of the tower
Little bit of an unfortunate happening there for the top lane that's already put them in a bad spot
And of course we know the SF and rust are gonna be dominant in this lane
This is just a very favorable lane for them
Yeah, I mean it's double melee for VG gaming with a face of void pause for you
You're fully reliant on equilibrium manipulation in this top lane
So you put that sentry ward on the tower, so the creeps aggro on it, they get delayed,
and then the whole flow is kind of messed up, yeah.
I like the choice though, the active choice of putting Warlock to the offlane in this
game, recognizing that he's stronger at bullying the TA together with the Beastmaster, and
already finding that one kill down there is going to try and get more charges of course
on the Rimoire.
There was also the fact that the observer ward in that top lane also got de-warded,
whether Faces Void was scouted or the Shattersharmen of the other core had a read on it, they got an immediate Observer War Deward, so no courier sniping intel for Vici Gaming either.
And finally Midlane, we've talked a lot of times about the Puck and Void matchup generally. You pick Puck, kind of expecting Void Spirit to come out of this counter, you don't really want to ban him, there's better bans usually.
But Void Spirit should be favored in lane.
lane and that kind of forcing the hand of itemization faces void makes it so puck
wants to buy you'll bkb eon this one of those defensive items right rather than
pure damage the words of calf yeah exactly just slow down the potential of
the void of the fuck with the voice pay so far tie-along and xm very even in the
last hits I'm gonna see too much away of solo kill potential just chipping away
each other, looking to get the runes, playing their own game, top lane, Yuma and Theolokor,
12-3 Shadowfiend, the Mars at 6-4, all of the stuff that happened early on in the lane
here for Bugs makes it very difficult to keep Taps and Creeps.
I mean, he has to lane with a Void Spirit, Pulse 4, or a Void Spirit, sorry, Paz's Void.
Paz's Void is a good support.
I do agree with, you know, what Slacks and Caps were chatting about there.
Of course he's auto-win.
He just doesn't win the lane.
That's the problem.
Which lane?
There's a fourth lane now.
Yeah, they've created a lane by Roche.
Right in front of the Roche pit.
Yuma drags the wave all the way over.
Will deny a couple of the creeps,
while the Facer's Void is being completely zoned by T.O.
L'Cour.
That does mean Buck is able to grab the next die wave
and drag it.
So Yuma has to come back and defend his tier one, of course.
I feel miss one creep another big deal. No, this is the one but that's a good
recognition by a bug they can go up and make this play as the pool was happening
Trying to get whatever you can stabilize the lane of it because he only does have the eight CS so
doubled up by the closest in CS for him
It doesn't mean the shadow fiend is a couple of waves behind his counterpart
Why we've got this very tight pack of puck through Beastmaster around 25 last hits
Shadowfiend is a little bit behind the curve.
Could be expected when you've got all of this nonsense happening.
Every single lane is pulled either with a Mars or by the faces void.
I'm lucky for Planet. Creep lost vision, he lost aggro.
So another situation where you're able to connect the waves.
Yeah, a little bit scared to turn around and hold the aggro as he went to high ground there
because he was also being pursued and had to keep running.
The lane is not getting any easier for Mars as he whiffs a spear.
I'm trying to pin him up. Not gonna work this time.
Not much the planet offers right now. Much more focused on heading into that mid game.
Also worth mentioning that they are again doing the same thing on Heroic that they have been doing a lot in this tournament.
They have this insane power spike that's gonna hit.
We saw them take the super early Roche previous game. They might try and do the same here.
They have the Beastmaster, they have SF R, Rasta Ward, Goldim.
They can take that super early Roche. They can play for towers
So beachy they need to be very wary about the early game later on they do have some nice tools though
Chackles into raises coming in planet has a time dilation and parked with the spells gonna be able to revoke them
Often fighting shape in this top lane while the coil spent mid
Jakiro's rotated in onto this void spirit. Five-stick charge is not quite enough to break free of XM.
That's so incredible, the Jakiro damage output coming in. Level three only, but it doesn't really matter.
You do so much damage just by auto-attacking into that coil.
And knowing that Templar Assassin having a pretty good time bottom,
very self-sustaining, can kind of just sit here with refraction, deal with the bores,
and make sure the whisperer doesn't have a free lane either.
lane either. Yeah, she already has her power thread so she's hit the first power spike
she wants to reach. But overall this bottom lane, who's happiest with the outcome? I
think TA is going to be more likely to accelerate but Beastmaster getting a lot of farm does
mean that he will get towards the agonims after. Even on Offlane Beast, which isn't
as common these days, you'll still see the carry kind of approach, go for agonims, get
a lot of damage output. He is also starting to stack up some jungle. Kind of wish he would
have sent more boars over to already prepare some stacks.
Yeah, she's focusing on the lane stage as much as possible. Because he did have the
wild hunt facet selected for quite a while, then he switched back to beast mode. So those
are the little questions in my head whether we'll see that zookeeper summon style beast.
But Agnumceptor is just too good of an item on this hero to give you that tempo in the
mid game.
Dominator beast is really really good. It's just not as good as axe, so you literally never see it
It's one of those weird things. I think axe on beast is just pretty overtuned to be honest
And a large reason why you can be played on any core position
A very linear item build
Up top lane trying to recover stealth of each e-gaming
And face is Floyd having a decent net worth definitely lift their spirits there with the Mars being so far behind
It feels like nowadays, Mars is still able to keep himself in the game, even if he gets
shut down.
Because there was a long period where if he shut down Mars, he's just very sad waiting
to get blinked anger.
But now you're like, you know, bracers and solorings, you can farm, get through the jungle
and still play with the rest of your team.
Yeah, we'll get his stuff at least, which bit very good at taking the runes, so even
though Fuck is maybe a little bit stronger at the moment, it does not matter what the
the ether remnant is staring at everyone.
A slower paced game here.
From heroic in particular,
no contesting wisdom shrine,
no early aggression out into the lanes.
Very focused on playing this extended laning stage.
Getting their first items up,
stacking the jungle, clearing the camps.
Making sure to protect this Beastmaster
and Shadowfiend in the early stages.
It didn't get that double wisdom this time.
Last game, they got double wisdom on minute seven.
that gave the supports this extra bit of oomph to go to lanes and do stuff early.
Now we're still waiting a little bit for level 6 to come in.
Warlock is very close to his as he has the book ready.
He has only 60 experience away, so yeah, he could actually crack the book for bottom tower very soon.
And you can feel it. There's a Twin Gate play to be made. There's a TP from Void Spirit coming in.
They're all coming. TA, you gotta get out.
Golem dropped on the TA.
Now moving with the Shadow Fiend.
Golem on Shiro, and a damage from King Jungles, and this will transfer very quickly into a tier one push.
This is exactly what was brewing for a while, but yet heroic in very heroic fashion are the first ones to strike.
Oidsbury even gonna come across, goes back up top with his Twin Gate.
Just ready to play into that north-west corner while King Jungles stays bottom, they'll TP top.
ETH are running into Y, BAK trying to keep them back with the spear.
Just be a simple pick-off if they defend their tier 1.
Have the arena in coil. Yeah, try Void Spirit.
I'm gonna go for it. It looks like Tylong here getting caught unaware.
He did not think that they stuck around after losing one hero, but good call by Vici.
Finances the kill and can maybe look towards mid.
The big thing I'm looking for Vici is, like last game we started doing no tower damage
and now you've killed Void twice, oh the Void Spirit sorry, and we have not seen them do
any real tower damage with it yet, Warlock is just going to defend mid casually.
When will they be able to try and open a tower for themselves?
It's kind of hard isn't it?
When your Maaz is behind, he just wants to try and catch up, get to his timings, your
Your puck isn't really a tower clicker.
Yeah, it's going to be TA with the Desolator I guess.
It's like the main way that they will take towers.
Wait for Shearer to be ready.
But already we've seen that bottom tier one dying so Whisper has full access to the bottom jungle.
Open up things for himself.
Now a vast region he can farm through while King Jungle still continuing to make stacks.
So a lot of eggs being put in this Whisper basket to get this quick axe.
Honestly, he's going to be playing as though he was a mid Beastmaster, like the timing of his acts is tremendous.
5200 net worth, 11 minutes in.
Yeah, he's huge. It's funny that the two richest heroes are both from the same lane in this game, you know?
It's the rich geographical area, I guess.
Beastmaster is snowballing and it's kind of, of course, accelerating a lot more similar to TA, though.
Once she gets the Deso, her farm rate will also increase by a lot.
How active can she be, though? Like, is this going to be, uh...
Deso into blink or a hurricane plank or what was the goal for shiro?
Yeah, it definitely needs blink in this game due to the lockdowns against rasta against beast master
You're gonna need blink to reposition to not get caught out, but also to follow up on your own jumps
Speaking of a smoke will find you man. Why onto you mark?
He's gonna pop his wand fairy fire lotus all the little pops of region. He can
He does get taken down and they should lead them into that tier one tower as shiro and buck
They transferred their energy to kill us at tower as well.
Yeah, this is what we needed to see, Shiro connecting and for them to go towards the tier one.
Meanwhile, never being lazy, heroic, immediately slam a golem down mid.
Hey, Mike, the inkling here, the planet's being stacked in camps on that left-hand side.
Detting those tier one could open things up for them to go and contest.
And a nice active rune as well for Void Spirit to play around with, the Haste Rune.
Two heroes in the fatal bombs. Always a scary prospect, but it keeps you wits about you.
Front poke at the wave with a puck.
King jungle's gonna bring his golem back. Don't wanna lose that and give free money over.
So the tier one's still alive.
He threw the heal on the golem though, so he wants to go in and poke again, but...
VTR are reacting as well as they can. It's just difficult to stop the golem as early in the game.
and Big Brawler, Planet, brought up in that remnant.
He's gonna jump forward with a time dilation in the cube onto King Jungles,
and the Warlock, he really wanted to kill that tower,
not getting the job quite finished up and box Mars in with the arena spear coil.
Here on to Ty along.
He's just gaming, bring the numbers to defend this mid lane.
Five heroes to actually turn the tide.
Finally Void Spirit, or a Facesport game at level six, and being useful, right?
The hero is so weak in laning stage,
But now you can see the power of the time zone coming down, holding them in place, and time dilation.
Very annoying spell to play into.
And of course, again they connect with TA.
So top tower taken down with the TA rotation, mid tower taken down with the TA rotations.
The carry that is responsible for dealing the building damage on this side.
And it's important here for Vici Gaming to put up that wall and make sure that they're not pushovers.
Because this is when heroic start to feel that much stronger.
Beastmaster has the Agatham Scepter.
Both of these supports are ready to go and make plays, especially if they can find a kill into Roche.
Ooh, good trap.
The possibility is there, but the TA trapped into Ice Path.
That slows the advance, but why has God picked a thing to deal with?
With the Void Spirit on his head, they'll take the kill.
And is it actually a 14-minute Roche again from Heroic?
Of course, it's Descript. Always want to take the early Roche.
We're sprucing about it for a second, but I think they will definitely drop the Snakes and start hitting.
They have the Agadamns on Beast, they have the Heal on Warlock.
And Buidspurt is acting as the zoning hero for the puck, knowing that Illusorov could
you know, snipe or scout the rush tank.
I love this.
Real shade to the old days when we used to have level 1 rush.
You know, nothing is drastic as that nowadays, but still picking up the tempo and giving
yourselves this early advantage.
Korok is just by far the fastest team in the tournament.
Like there's no doubt about it, right?
Is there any team that plays as fast in the early game as Heroic does?
I don't think so.
Maybe Liquid sometimes, but it's consistently fast, right?
Heroic's identity is play fast.
Yeah, it's predictable, and you know what's going to happen.
They will take the towers, they will play for the Roche, literally always before minute
16, 17, around that timing, they will have taken towers and Roche.
It's just very impressive how they make this happen against literally everyone.
But it also is a predictable pattern.
Some team will study this and find you know exactly where to where to counter it and
I'm not sure exactly how you want to solve it, but definitely their leading stage looks super strong
Maybe it maybe you have to do a level one Roche. Maybe you say no
We're gonna get this Ursa lone druid whatever into the Roche pit to get you
Early one a sniper from whisper, but you're gonna have to deal with bigger issues now shackles all back in place
but they've got the arena. Whisper is going to get tagged up by the spear into the MakriPyre here,
as the other core burst by XM. A golem drop with the fatal bonds though in Tylong's arrival.
Onto the TA in the respawn now of this. Whisper, Beastmaster gets them in place,
they blow up the Temple of Assassin, and they dive further deeper onto Y. Not going to come,
Tylong has no more steps. Very nice there by Tylong, getting the Etheramn and pulling back.
Just a small detail, but TA probably would be able to create enough space and get away
if it wasn't for that landing.
I do snipe at the edges at least, so...
It's not bad, it's not bad for Vici.
They now are in fighting shape, wait for the Mars arena to come back
and they can still force up IV-5, otherwise they would just have to give up objectives.
And that's the worst case scenario.
You don't want the siege machinery to approach your base, right?
You want to try and get it before it gets in position, unloads.
That's top lane XM and planet
Struggling to finish the illicore. He dropped the serpent boards and he's able to lock down planet so XM
Says all right
Will exit to the side get planet messing up a little bit sticking around for too long
There could have left a little bit earlier, but ends up getting caught by the shackle the Irish. Good boy
He'll be back he'll be back
Leave without saying anything
TA queuing up the Aghanim Shard, I think that's a really good choice in this game.
Get the silence, amazing against Void Spirit, but also against Rasta.
Even against SF it can be so nice to stop his ulti.
Back for this blink.
Wanting someone to show that nobody's coming.
King Jungles and Tylong were both near that radiant observer ward that Planet placed earlier near the Ancients.
But the dire scan now gives information here to Herod that there is a trapping set down south.
It's not funny how in some games we have this really close battle between the course.
All the course are within 800 gold from each other.
And in some games it's like this, where one core is basically doubling up the others.
Here's the king. Well, Yuma wasn't expecting this vision to be here.
They scanned, they thought they had all the information in the world to sit back and play defensively.
a beachy gaming
I'm able to get that kill the shadow fiend leash up the wall with the coil. He pops the Mac in his dying move
That beachy gaming bringing a bit of speed to their own game
Very nice. I mean they've hit some power spikes now having the blink tagger on Mars really enables them blink on TA
And I believe on the back of that they're gonna have the blink coming in for puck as well
Well, some triple blink is up and running, and then that Yule Scepter as well faces Void,
so he can set up and catch people.
He's going to try up top.
Well, just want to jump immediately as he doesn't have follow-up TPs.
We'll retreat from them.
Void's spirit also going for the Yule Scepter, I think it's being delivered shortly.
A little quiet from Tylong.
7K net worth, now behind the Mars, hasn't been able to connect really in a meaningful
way on these ganks and kills.
1, 3, and 2.
Yeah, generally, we almost have grown accustomed to seeing
Tylong just pop off.
Yeah.
He's been playing extremely well this tournament,
but in this game hasn't really had that much going.
We don't want to see him on Viper.
It's a boring hero, but usually he's
running at people and clicking them.
Yeah, I wonder what's really gone wrong for him in this game,
because they took a lot of towers,
but I guess he hasn't really been able to find
to make kills as you want to mid laner.
Whisper, blink raw, but planets there,
for the Yule's turnaround.
The Whisper's still trying to chase another Shira with his fresh BKB.
He gets on top of the TA, silence though, stops the Shatter Shaman from landing the Shackles,
spear it up and held back.
XM comes in to Snipe the Alacor and Whisper disappears with a TP back to Fountain.
That's not the BKB reveal that you want though, that's really sad for him on Beastmaster.
Even though he got out and got to safety, failing to get a kill, putting your stuff on cooldown,
and that's right before Tormentor as well.
Yeah, the oil scepter and he's going for a Lotus next.
You want to generally build cooldown based items on face avoid if you play this time
dilation build since you get cooldown acceleration in the time zone.
heroic not going to give this tormentor up without a fight.
All grouped up as five making their way over and it looks like Vici Gaming they're setting
up to try and snipe it quickly.
This could be spooky though, as King Jungle steps forward and drops the golem to send
forward to scout.
The point man giving info here and vision hind them.
They see exactly where Vici Gaming are and whisper in from behind with Yuma by his side.
The arena spear on the support and the back, coiled there on the Beastmaster while Tyllan
gets on Jaquiro.
Requiem comes out to take down Y, feel the gorgon King Jungles meanwhile, didn't get
finished off by Baku or Planet.
They got their spells out.
is dominating taking down XM while Bach is chased by Tylong and King Jungles.
I mean, one by one, Vici gaming just floundering and falling. Bach is finished
off by Tylong and heroic. Perfect positioning. The tactics there to get in
on top of Vici. The spoke positioning was extremely good there. They're gonna get the
tormentor of this, also got the tier one tower, but give it up to Whisper, man. He
gets the kill on Puck, turns it into a kill on TA, basically taking down on his
own just I mean whisper whisper whisper dude his first big B reveal wasn't the
best but dear lord he destroyed them there yeah I mean he's always playing
off lane as if he was mid right then they put him mid for a while so wait
we're wasting we're wasting a guy who can turn an off lane into a mid lane yeah
I mean his his cooldown was a little bit long here to begin with didn't have roar
but he finds his moment as the fight becomes very scrappy he finds a blink
onto the park, alters him and then TA falls very rapidly to the agonist damage output.
I'm incredible. And the rest of them just picking up the pieces.
Planet is going to skip away from Tylen and Teal the Core and that mid lane.
But in a period of the game, which VG Gaming was starting to feel more comfortable, right? They've
taken down some towers, got a couple of team fights, went towards Tormentor, Heroic very
quickly shut it all down and built up a 7k lead for themselves. Also shows a lot of initiative
the fact that they went for that fight with big B cooldown and no roar on Beastmaster they still
say you know what we're strong enough to take that fight they had a lot of tools at their disposal
and I thought it could be problematic the SFLT wasn't that impactful yeah it's pretty far away
you know you used the footage Kira kill but even so they showed that their positioning and fighting
is really good and then maybe scary signs of things to come right if that's not a good requiem
The next one might be better, might be more impactful, something Vici going to be wary of.
In particular considering the SF now has his fresh BKB and he's going for a blink dagger next, so yeah for sure he's going to have an easier time landing big royalties.
Let's put some stress over on Vici.
Another fast rotary spawn, about 30 seconds was on the timer and he's going to be up pretty shortly.
Let's see if heroic are able to get themselves in the pit, because right now Vici Gaming's
the one smoking up and playing from this botan jungle.
The pings are there in towards Rhoads, from Enfield the Core and Whisper, they're both
here.
Oh, the big 5v5 clash about to come in, smoke into smoke, planet leading, smoke break, high
ground vision, they see everything.
Planets gonna back up and realize this isn't the angle they want to take.
Now, going into high ground where they know that all the enemies are probably up there,
gonna back up. Heroic do not know that Roach is up just yet. They're trying to do a sweeping
move first, clear if any hero is nearby. As planets being sneaky. Good smoke break spot.
Now where does Whisper blink? He might die to that smoke break though. Axes in the trees.
Hello? Anyone here? Now they're jumping with a roar. Should be a simple one here. Can
Maybe Yulz? No, not even a ton of Yulz.
Meanwhile, oh, who's this?
Shadasharman has got the shackles on Shiro.
There's no BKD for TA.
Refraction is going to get burnt through.
King Jungles comes in.
Shadasharman stays alive and whispers, he's arrived.
Another kill for Heroic, but a big one this time on the TA.
Very nice.
Good vision down there and plays towards it.
Theodokor.
I've been pricing him throughout this tournament.
I think Theodokor is understanding of the game.
That's just really been shining.
like always going for wraparound moves, going for angles,
showing why you want to get these positioning
to ask Rasta as well.
You can hold someone for so long.
And Rasta overall has been amazing.
I think it's 47 games played
and 60% win rate this tournament.
My incredible hero.
Well, yeah, the other core is kind of giving
Schofield vibes, right?
There's play behind enemy lines,
finding these angles of attack without the die.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's true.
It's not having to be one of those melee supports, you know, the Tusk and the Clockwork going
in and dying.
Yeah, exactly.
Instead you get to actually have some power to objectives as well.
Those Rust awards have been ever so useful.
Yeah, I might have to look at Shadow Shalman as a ban here against Heroic, but there's
so many heroes there, very adept with.
Heroic are annoying as well because they're Mepo players, right?
They have all these heroes, you're banning Huskar against them, you're banning Mepo against
them, and it makes it difficult to get a normal draft going, essentially.
The Viper mid and then whispers heroes the enigma darks here nice there by observer pointing out
He stepped too close to the trap. He's found. Let's get his spell off though
X into golem Yuma on the sidelines while Tylon can't get in the arena now
Disimulating forward but Barker's already made the retreat Yuma moving forward
Pressuring bitchy gaming away from this foot left corner the ice path and then the bridge back
safety to a full authority from this you might want to fight because he has the
ages but not really gonna be able to connect on anyone stay just head back
pretty good mobility on the side of witchy gaming time walk on a support
they will lose urban blink TA of course with the blink as well Mars 2
we're making a move in this golem giving vision on buck and XM pile on getting
Slowed down with a dual breath on his approach though.
High ground vision here for heroic.
As they are going to use this
Radiant Ancient Spot as a platform to play into top lane and mid lane at the same time.
Yeah, I think SF might want to go on and start auto attacking a bit to use in the Golden.
And Puck, trying to safely farm towards the Lincoln Sphere, just 40 gold away.
that Lincoln's against the Rasta and against the Yuls of the Void Spirit is going to be really handy.
The position looks so good from Heroic. With Tyla on the left, Whisper on the right, they're covering both
entry points for any kind of smoke wraparound, playing still under their own vision and pressuring two tier two's at the same time.
It's almost impossible here for Vici to approach this, especially into Aegis.
So Jekiro's cutting wave mid, faces Void, trying to get down to bottom to do the same job.
Once Heroic have cleared out this tower though.
It's straight to mid. Just gotta keep going.
They don't even have Beastmaster, but they have a nice position on the high ground.
The Rust Awards have done most of the job.
This game, it's slipping pretty fast.
Vici Gaming having this TA, you generally want to be winning early on.
You don't really want to just fall behind and say that you're going to carry late game.
This is her time to shine now, right?
It truly is. It truly is.
I still think they might have, like, the better late game overall on Vici just because of the fuck impact and I think a lot of their heroes scale really well.
Like with Faze of Void Pulse 4.
Yeah, but the TA in general does not enjoy losing this period of game.
Especially if you don't have access to all these ancient camps, you know, no stacks to farm, you are stuck in this bottom stream.
And Roche, they lost Roche twice.
Yeah.
TA is the hero that wants to rely on taking Torim and taking Roshan, not getting to do that.
I've still got a lot of tools to fight though, when all the green lights are up.
A smoke out of the base, a move into vision.
That's what Vichy Gaming are angling for.
But Heroic's still defending this Observer Ward.
And with his heck of a requiem, they've got the player to bark who made this jump forward,
still alive and BKB'd up.
Arenas there as Yuma breaks free.
Helicor not gonna be so lucky.
In comes Whisper though.
With a blink raw, Shiro does get the BKB out.
Fade to the bombs going as the first life of SF is down.
Wisp is sticking on Shiro's TA while XM is getting blown up by Tyla.
Shiro on the retreat, Wisp is still alive, Golem dropped in,
down goes the TA and Bak will follow shortly after.
Heroic! Slice through VT Gaming.
They do lose Wisp, but are still dominating victory.
It looked so good for a while there, it looked so good,
but then the SF comes back in, round two, just bursting through the TA as well,
who wasn't in a position to deal some damage but just gets taken down.
You can see the damage done by SF there as he came in for.
He obviously did a lot in the first wave, but just the staying power is impressive from
heroic.
That's a 5 man wipe in here.
They've come back and found Planet who was lurking back by their ancients.
Ooh, that's pretty nice because SF now gets to reset his Mines Armor stack as well.
There was a long time between those kills there and it refreshes all the existing ones.
Do we see the recap at four lasting presence now?
Ultimately, it's a bit of ages difference. Yeah
Fable bonds are pretty good as well onto three or four heroes spreading all that damage that whisper is dishing out
There's a good kill to get on whisper like 900 gold in the pockets of beachy gaming
But you've just lost so much traction on the map now
Every lane trending towards the radiant base so heroic after losing ages have entire map space to farm through and the patient
to wait for that next Roshan. Yeah, they can they can just keep abusing the map control that they have.
Doesn't look like Esso is going to get too hungry to reset his lasting presence again.
Is that just farming? I mean we have all this map control. Gotta take some time to just enjoy the farm that you get to.
He just absorb it all up.
The scan, another read from Heroic.
Humor is moving towards it.
He knows.
He's got the understanding here that it's just the jacquero.
All on his loans, pretending to go through a twin gate, ice path TP, feel the core there
with a hex though right in the nick of time.
Right place, right time.
Gets to be part of that kill.
There's some time at least for the Vici Gaming squad to get out and get the D-word on their
triangle.
Defending that ward though, like so vitally important, I mean there's a lesson in itself,
right?
Supporters, you know, walking around, placing wards, keep this vision up, defending wards
on the other hand is such an important job that the entire team has to do.
Yeah, I mean, playing under your vision is not just about concept, you want to take team
fights there?
Oh, does he have the roar?
Axe-M!
He can't break the lingons.
Yeah, you're right.
Problematic for him.
So, puck gonna be completely fine.
In the meantime, toolman to taken.
You may as the shard.
You can already see Whisper and how he wants to address the lingons here.
He's queuing up the refresher into a diffusor for this bursar.
Which is multi-purpose in this game.
Get rid of time dilation?
Yep.
Dispelled cure stuff, time dilation, silence,
and then also be able to break Lincoln's with it.
Human's hungry, huh?
Blinking forward.
Silver edge to get in on top of Bach.
Fortunately for the Mars, he's already cleared the wave and got into base.
This has become the default build for SF, like...
item for item. This is exactly the build that I think is the strongest.
Getting exactly into blink, kaiyasha, bkb, silver edge, and it goes atonic, dateless.
And you become such a monster.
Right click with your razors
15k lead all right putting them in good stead
Playing two lanes while Vici gaming stuck on one
When your Mars is sat in a lane just gathering creeps as they hit your tier three
That's when you know something's not quite right. Oh, it's cure of get spotted found last time it was up top this time on bottom same heroes
same deal
Slumshot on him, now tie-long.
He's got the Lincoln's popper here.
Fashev comes just in time though, before Whisper could land the roar.
He had lifted his hands and nearly had it.
Yeah, not far away from getting the pick-off on that slippery puck.
But it's so quick, Yuma, oh, he's under a sentry.
So Bach is able to blink away.
The big thing with this game is that Shiro really hasn't had a chance to do what he wants to do on TA.
Like, he has zero kills.
TA is Tempoir Assassin. You know you're an assassin? You want to get kills?
It does have six assists to it, but his damage just has been lacking.
I've just been sitting and farming his crops.
A couple more seconds till Roshan's back up.
Herobics yet again in position to scout it and take it.
Oh, itchy gaming. They're going to need to smoke.
I thought there's high ground vision that they would ideally want to play under, but I don't think they're going to be given the chance.
Yeah, I think it's scary for them to step out, but they kind of have to.
As right now, they are splitting a lot on the side of Heroic. They're using the map, trying to get the sides of the map farmed.
But each here not going to go for an immediate smoke, and that might give the initiative over to the Dire team to just go into this roach.
Roche is gonna roar, but will he be able to get there in time is the thing, except with
the Rast Awards. So bloody quick. Even without Beastmaster, this falls really fast.
Did you get any no entertainingness? Pushing out the sideways. Trying to find something
with Bach onto Whisper. Not really a fight they're taking, just a, hey, how you doing,
kind of deal. That's just a shameful feeling when you see Beastmaster's pushing top aggressively.
You can't do anything about him, but you also heard the Roshan roar, so you know that, okay, beasts is farming, and they're taking Rosh, and we're not killing anything.
Yeah.
Avicii are not feeling good about this.
No.
Arc is still stepping forward here, though.
Whisper has the Gem, let's see if he gets the BKD off. The Spear lands. Sheerah with the damage, Planet here with the Cube, but Whisper.
BKD roar and TP, the physical damage is lacking without the TA in effect, and now Heroic looking to react quickly.
Thailand, tie-long with a double step.
Right onto the back, Mars.
Thea Likour with a hex on Jakiro, forcing back to BKB TP.
Why?
Gonna try and get to base himself and succeed.
No more stuns, apparently.
Just TP out seems to be a good medication for anyone
who's in ailment here,
up top lane everybody gets to safety.
But yeah, the unfortunate part
with the spear back was really good,
but they don't have good chain stun in their team.
Faces Void is not a disable in this game and Jakira was just far away so no ice path.
Yeah, and Warlock in this game, you know, very focused on his attire, going for the fashionable build.
I see that.
Going for his double boots, making sure he's nice.
He's good looking, keeping his feet comfy.
He's rocking the two different pairs.
And no need to buy any disables on Warlock.
No, you got some boots for yourself and some boots for your golem.
He should buy more boots next.
Oh, those are boots of travel?
Yeah, get to travel so you can get there.
That's the fancy ones.
He's got greaves and boots are bearing.
Heroic are coming for you.
Top lane about to be cracked open by them.
Three minutes on that Shadowfiend's Aegis.
Four heroes smoke behind Tylong as he starts to open up on this tower.
Double catapult is now arriving as well with the banner.
It's not just Aegis on that Shadowfiend as well, but the satanic being completed means he's so much harder to burst.
especially would like I pointed out the kind of lacking chain stun on their team
Best you have is a spear into an ice path and he might survive through that and just turn around with a satanic
Kind of cool from planet there time walks forward then blinks even deeper to smoke reveal see what's happening in behind
And then of course the reverse time walk to take him back to where he started a little bit of funny tech
But funny fancy tricks are not gonna save your racks as they're falling right now
left forced out
The open ward is still going to work.
Vici Gaming now have brought everyone back to defend.
You can tell Yuma does not want to get speared into any base.
He knows even with Aegis it gets pulled deep. It can't be bad.
Vici Gaming from Whisper makes the jump in onto Shiro.
Lincoln's pop though, passed over by the puck as Whisper
he speared up in the arena, blown up and killed massive Vici Gaming
as they now can come out of their base, deal with the Shalasharman,
kill off the Elikor.
Yuma dropping low as well but the second arena back is up and running.
Helicorps still alive though, broke free with a BKB.
Aegis with a Shadowfiend brings him up and blinks away.
Mark is on his tail though.
Mars gets another spear and Vichy gaming and a chasing onto Yuma.
Blow up with Shiro.
Tons of damage from the high ground.
Unleashes Hell onto Shadowfiend as King Jungle's gonna pop the boost of bearing and run back,
but XM is there chasing.
Chasing still and time dilation up in just a bit.
He does try to beat me, but does not have a TP on him.
Eyes down, the warlock's gone, Tylaan, BKB up and on the run.
Rishi gave me a lost track on him.
Getting away, but again, no teleport, so he cannot get to base mid tower, falls to the golem meanwhile.
Wait, hold up, what's the golem doing here?
Nice kill in buildings!
That was some really fast reflexes by XM.
The pass on the Lincoln's made all of that possible, and we saw the power spike of the refresher on the Mars.
The double ulti. Those ulti's are not just about controlling a player or like holding people in place,
but it's also about the fact that Essep struggles to deal any damage when he can't attack through all these barriers from the double ulti, double a renecing out.
And you were trying to requiem that, but did you get me all these BKBs?
Yeah, I mean the heal as well when people are dying, Mars is partying, victory feasting.
Haroke, they were going for this killing blow, they felt the victory was within their reach.
Beachy gaming with backs against the wall, the scariest beast.
A base defense, yes they lost their top lane of barracks, mid tier 3,
but they've got plenty to hold on here bringing that net worth lead down by about half.
It's still possible to turn around. 8k lead isn't that significant at 38 minutes and they do have some nice scaling heroes.
A lot of tools are coming in too. The Daedalus on TAS said she was lacking a bit in damage. Now she has it.
She also got the Melt Bash so some very important lockdown could potentially allow her to get some disables even against the BKB Rasta.
So if Rasta grabs anyone that isn't TA, she could melt Bash out of it.
And soon we have the Dreamcode, Pierce's debuff immunity as well.
That's a big time of speechy. Getting into this late game.
40 minutes in. There's still some stuff going final whisper.
He's pretty tanky. Doesn't get off the BKB though.
He's just getting blown up by Shiro.
I just enjoy watching Bach play Mars dude. Watching him jump people, he always lands his combo like I hardly ever see Bach miss
It blinks in, gots rebuked and spears and then throws the ulti too, of course pinned to the ulti
Yeah, you know when someone spear arena-ing rather than arena-spearing, right? You know you're dealing with a connoisseur of the hero
Yeah, fine a fine gentleman
He's got the A on this as well, so he understands that the disable from Rasta or Beastmaster could be game-winning if they catch him, so here a lot of people would have gone for a hex, but he goes for A on this, and I think it's the correct play in the game.
That was tough.
Because he doesn't need to deal the damage, his team has to deal damage, he just needs to be reliable control, and this makes sure he doesn't get bursted.
I found it on the high ground there, seeing who's coming, protecting all his cores who
are not too far behind him.
Now an amplified damage XM puck, a lot of output from the Agadam Scepter, a 25 talent
you said as well, pretty big if EG Gaming can go and find somebody.
Yeah for sure, Void Spirit in particular might be in danger from that, he does have the Wind
So he can get himself to safety. Pretty early Wind Waker purchase. Third item.
The Yondiscs for the Faceless Void as well, I'm gonna come out. Lots of protective items here for VG gaming.
The multiple Yondiscs and Lincoln Spears. Make sure they don't get it. Just hex them burst down completely so even more staying power for them to get off these multiple rounds of spells.
Well, I think they've identified that Merylix is a very bursty lineup, if they want to burst
with the SFLT or with the Beastmaster, with the Rasta, grabbing someone, it makes sense,
makes sense to counter it like this.
They're accusing this time just to try and get that Shadowfiend, whose next item, get
even more of that burst through the physical damage of his Daedalus.
That does mean that they won't be going for any form of null fire of course, I mean, I
I still think Daedalus is the correct choice, but if they want the null fire it would have
to be Beastmaster changing his item build.
Another 30 second roach and respawn?
Yeah, we'll see.
This one not as fast, it's still going to spawn bottom roach, for one minute it will
be there.
A little bit longer this time, so it's going to slow her down a touch.
They want to move into where Planet is currently standing and has a mobile ward.
My vision for both teams lacking currently, they've spent all their obss and sentries,
need to get some fresh ones out.
Smoke is running out for a heroic so if we tell some sentries it's going to see that
there's a bunch of TA traps in the area, but the location is revealed.
Both teams have gem and Faces void with his long range jump in and jump back.
AxeM makes the move on the field and call Irina Spear on to Whisper before he gets any spells off.
Can't BKB or escape, Shiro blows him up and the face of the Void Spirit is also taken down!
Box Mars spot on a beautiful initiation!
That's just crazy good. He got the vision from his face of Void going in there earlier,
and then with the puck and him just jumping and destroying everything,
we see the power of that level 25 puck as well.
If you get coiled, you're just in trouble. It's that simple.
simple. And several times now Whisper has no recourse, no chance the BKB turn of
fight or anything. Beastmaster wants me to be the one jumping, not the one being
jumped. And that's one more fight where again he didn't get a chance to use the
refresh of shard, of course he just got bursted fast here. Yeah, but they took
that Roche like almost 10 minutes ago and he never got a chance to use the shard.
And now Vici Gaming, they're on enemy high ground. Now look at our tier 3 tower here.
No buyback on Beast, 30 seconds for the Void Spirit to respawn.
Heroic, they can't defend in a 3v5, so this is a lane of barracks and maybe just Roche at for beachy gaming.
Yeah, I think they're going to set up Roche. They know that it's going to be Roche time and of course there are tier 2 towers on the side lane so might as well just back out.
And the first Roche of the game could be going their way.
I don't even see how they would be able to defend it as well. SF, no where near, and that's a good thing. He would just die over there.
Ah, 30 seconds no TP. Bitchy Gaming owning that outpost as well.
Means if they do get
Into a team fight, they've got the buyback TP capability. It's not gonna happen, of course
Aegis now for Shiro
Refresher Shard for XM
But this can give some safety for Shiro to push high ground as well. Aegis, he can backpack the BKB
Just gotta make sure that he's fast enough to bring it in. We saw some some late BKB swaps earlier
This game has completely flipped on its head.
8K lead for Vici Gaming now as they're the ones playing two lanes.
Getting all the goodies from the Roche and pushing forward.
And if he's on the left hand side trying to get what farm he can in these hidden little
pockets, stealing a wisdom shrine, every little helps for heroic.
They've had the wind completely knocked out of their sails.
Yeah, except just trying to get whatever farm he can.
And Bach, of course, is going back into the side of Ice now, so he's going to have the refresher side.
Even more lockdown will make Heroics even more challenging.
Man, it's been like complete freezing.
Like, Tylong, he had so much gold, but his net worth has just been stagnant for a very long time.
at the same amount of gold when TA was like 24,000 net worth and he just hasn't finished
a new item since then.
The Wind Waker is all he's been sitting with for a while and this Tiara hoping to be an
A on disk.
They're hoping to be an Octarene, sorry.
He's got A on disk after the Octarene.
Ah, quite long.
They're on the park with a Requiem forcing XM to PKB but that's not enough.
Now, Yuma's got jumped by the TA, dead for 100 seconds.
Oh, the second coil.
And the coil again onto the Void Spirit.
That might just be game now.
Two cores down with no buyback.
I mean, there's not much to say about it, right?
They're just dead.
700 gold needed.
They can get the Void Spirit buyback
if there's any form of gold.
But I think this is going to be too fast.
They're just going to push.
I think they might just go ahead and end the game.
Beastmaster's looking for the rats.
Can't need base race at TA.
I don't think so.
He's gonna get stuck in a trap down there.
Well, Shiro just goes for tier four.
Whisper trying to push in.
Last ditch effort from Heroic, not paying off.
I don't know if he got boots to travel
or something to go and help him
because the tier fours in this tier base
are falling very quickly.
They've got to gliff up.
Beachy Gaming send the puck back to help.
Shadow Sharmon's going to base race this one as well.
Cliff has now expired though.
Shiro, Buck, Planet and Y make work on this ancient.
I think it's just over.
Yeah, it's not even close.
They're way near it.
VG Gaming will tie things up.
And they came back from such a bad situation in this game.
Heroic, they got their script.
They got their early game.
But they slipped up, and VG punished them super hard
on the back of some good team fighting.
Ah, great stuff.
I mean, Fanny VDVG.
We got a very, very, very upset gunner on the panel.
He shouted, you must leave, and he stormed off, Gunnar, are you okay?
Yeah, there's a game three.
So more Yuma.
There you go.
But yeah, I think it's going to feel pretty bad for them going into this third game because
of how the early game is kind of going.
Yeah, I mean, Heroics, they kind of hit all the notes they needed to do, of course.
Any clip you see in the first half of the game, Beastmaster will be top of the net worth.
They're going to have like the moves they play through, Ty Long, of course, we're going
to talk about 20 minutes before we're down the line, but actually, here you go.
line here it is already but yeah right between the Beastmaster the the voice
for it they had everything to their name and I was hesitant on veggie gaming if
they'd be able to kind of you have to overcome this aggression and ah this
large refreshers and high grounds my expected my story of this game like is
if you look at these fights especially in my early game probably the first like
30 minutes the camera's so zoomed out and that's how a heroics one of these
fights it's like everything is happening on this part of the screen and that
on the screen and random heroes getting picked off and like there's a 2v2 here and all that stuff
is so much better for Heroic. But then the second that the game kind of switches and it's like okay
it's our time to push Hydra. What happened to you to go Hydra? Five heroes all in the same area
trying to do this one objective and that's where the face is void, the Jekiro, the Mars. These like
heroes kind of get the value out of all their giant just AoE spells and I think there was like
some mispositioning or some over-aggression from her but they've just made like too many mistakes
in the lake even you're playing into such a strong lake in teamfight yeah that's the thing
when i'm like hesitant to jump on the analysis in this case like i've got a clip where i'm already
i already have all my ananas locked and loaded for this one clip right but no it's yeah i do agree
again i feel like they played the map really well they got to the high ground and everything fell
apart so quickly and how they wanted to approach it was that because of the lineup because i
I did also see Whisper jumping a little bit too far trying to get his hands on the Templar Assassin.
That was, you know, the fight that turned it all around.
That is the clip.
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm jumping ahead. I'm jumping ahead.
I don't think this is a drafting thing for either team.
No, no, no. This is all play.
Vici's like, sure they lost the early game, but I think that's fine with their draft.
And her work won the early game, and they threw the late game, and that's not,
oh, we got a draft and they picked better late game, because still, I do say, yeah, Vici is a strong late game,
but Herc Chef is still really good looking. They have the Chateauphine, like all their cores are also amazing scalers
But how do you scale when you're just chain-stunned? There's arena, you're projectiles
You can't right-click. There's nothing you do because this man right here is just doing everything
Yeah, one thing we have learned there from Ritchie Gaming is some of the earlier fighting isn't as cohesive of my other teams
When it comes to like the big spell combinations, right?
But then when it matters they can't click and of course
I thought was it he's like four and two now on Mars, but it's always like when he gets refresher
I'm like that's what I'm happy to see him with the Mars. Yeah, we could take a look at the off-laners
Oh, well, and we can first take a look at the mids if you wish because that is
Where it was still well, it looked pretty good for example. It happened the way you said got it
Yeah, I think this was a pretty interesting comparison because the leader was kind of struggling
I wasn't on the great game and puck was actually having a pretty good game up until his point
And this is right before that Tormentor fight top, which is when, at this one in the game
is very even, the score, but then Tylong and Heroic kind of have the ability to just kite
this fight out.
They kind of take this like split fight where Void's pressing his cooldowns like on one
guy bursting into the next, bursting into the next.
And this is when Heroic got their advantage.
And I think this was a pretty cool way to like showcase the specific matchup.
And then we go a bit later, and because of that Tormentor fight and the advantage they
get now, you get the offender matchup, which is you have a guy who gets to farm the entire
map on Beast and the other side, you have Mars, who's like, oh, guys, please team fight.
Like, we really need to fight you guys, but he doesn't have the opportunity to take these
fights because they're so far behind at this stage of the game.
Yeah, and this is why I've always been sort of scared to talk about Mars as like a strong hero,
because moments like this, when you're not winning the early to mid game, you are feeling
like you're like the whole network difference, like it is between these two heroes.
Look at here like if he was able to have like eight thousand more gold out of nowhere game would be even
But yeah, it's just how scary it is and I feel like I've been eluding to this clip for a long time
Can we can we?
It's time the first refresher fight to right yeah Mars. Yeah, I just we're already starting straight with whisper going to the high ground and
unfortunately for me
heroic
Has made these bundles multiple times before because they have an Aegis they have golem
They have raw, they have all the tools available to take this high ground
But instead of trying to play it cleanly, like trying to bait out an arena, a coil, something of course
And there's a refresher as well from the Mars like, they just throw themselves in, like there's no logic behind this high ground
It's just we're winning the map, we're killers, we're gonna keep killing, like there wasn't any like
Beauty behind the play, it was just raw aggression and heroic. They need to tone that down sometimes
They need to slow down the game just a little bit to truly understand how they can win the fights on open that play they win
Yeah, I think the other part of this is I don't think necessarily the high ground is terrible because you do have all these resources
You have like cheese ages. You're just so strong. I think they're all like 18,000 gold ahead and they're winning all the fights
They can't do it, but it's always this question of
Execution on the high ground and diving. Yep. I I've had too many times of like you do some high ground play and then
And half the people were like, why can't we just take the high ground push like normal?
And then that happens like, well, if we click this spell better, if we did this, then the
play would have been good.
But in that one, like, which were Roars of Lincoln's he's linking and committing.
How different was the game?
I thought I would by the way.
Yeah, he didn't get his BKB, his second BKBF.
The game could have been over there.
What if he broke the Lincoln's on someone else?
What if he was able to get out?
What if it was a baited fight?
It's like, when you take these risk plays, it's so easy for us from an outside perspective
to say, oh.
Why would you do that?
bad like he's diving in and he should have just taken the safe play but it always is
one of those things where if it worked out the game ends and we're already on to the
next series because it was a 2L.
I would agree but when I saw that clip it literally was a beast by himself and a shadow
fiend and everyone else was scrambling to chase.
I think I would normally would agree with you that like there's the minutiae like the
small little changes but when you see that clip it's like it was whispered by himself.
There was no link.
I think in that one specific case it definitely was just a just to make sure.
I think that was like over his extension by whisper
I think he was kind of feeling himself in the game
And it was like I'm gonna go also kill the TA
I'll get out like worst case scenario
Even if he got the roar off and had a run away
You get moving speed when you press roar
So it's like oh your roar is bad or walk out
No big deal
But it was just a lot of like it was too many bad things about one play
Yeah, some changes will probably be made for a game number three
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and we've seen in this game too. We just watched. We saw both teams playing to their strengths and
worked out in VG Gaming's favor, but VG Gaming also is not going to be too happy about it considering
they did lose the first 20 minutes of the game. So we're going to see VG Gaming adapt to the first
20 minutes and we're going to see Heroic maybe adapting to being able to take better high ground.
So we got a little bit of an adjustment for both teams here, Tegav. Who would you like to focus
focus on first, first of all.
Easiest one is heroic, because that type of mistake is a very easy, sorry, my bad guys,
let's go again.
Okay.
The Vici Gaming, it's like, try to dissect what's going wrong in the early game.
What like, is Shira losing his lane, is there not maybe the correct rotations from supports,
not enough stacking to enable like, comeback farm, like something like that, it's harder
for Vici Gaming to get better in the first 20, compared to heroic, just tweaking a little
bit of a...
It's like just played better as an entire team. Yeah versus the other guys like hey, we're going higher
Maybe don't link past it here. Three one. We're not ready like you could be again
Like you were saying three different if they were ready if they're really on the mark
They do the dive like stuff like that even if it was as bad
It just feels better from the team perspective when you say five people on the same page
Yeah, I feel like also
But when I critique her work in the last game people might assume like gonna say like it's always about they know
I fully agree we're gonna like there are moments where that level of like risk and risk
It is so good, right?
But you don't want to play a traditional high ground into vici gaming's lineup
But you need to do something. I'll always remember the it was Singapore TI and it was the liquid verse
Was it Thunder Predator? Yes, where they had that like the pango 1hp that whole thing. I remember I was talking
Yeah, I think it was will about I was like
Why did you guys just like commit on the throne and like you barely barely killed the throne instead of like you got such a
big advantages play the game he's like we're playing to win yeah like they're
at that point when we have the chance to take the throne take the win it's like
it's better we just take it and then just like play them yeah it's gonna be
flashbacks like game where say there's a rave patch that's actually like to the
left hand side yeah I know I know but I just think that mentality of like it's
like the killer mentality the winner mentality it's like you go for this but
the thing is is you have to be on the same page you you have to all just go in
and all in and I don't think heroic usually has an issue but it's sometimes when even the players
play too fast for their own good. We have a very different start to the drafts the previous two
games heroic the pick and the side order everything stayed the same for that one both teams seem to
be happy with that but both previous games heroic ban now shadow demon and wind ranger in the second
two picks and this time they went into the bonus time in the first phase of bans which is already
unusual to begin with and they removed Mars and Puck leaving the Wind Ranger and the Shadow Demon in
the pool but we have got VG Gaming still for now going for the same that would stay the same if they
also ban out the Bat Rider in this one. Yeah I mean the argument will now be between Bat,
SD and SF. Where do you just leave them all in? Yeah if they all go in then the debate gets a
little bit harder right? Yeah. They ban the Bat so now it's SF, Shadow Demon and at least the Wind
ranger for future maybe not yeah i'm not i don't know as a thing the fact feels weird i would
have rather just left them all in maybe you could the batch is too annoying and it's like one of
those heroes no one wants to deal with like your carry doesn't want to lane vs you guys don't want
to get last so so in terms of just that vibe i think it's fine but it also just makes this draft
a bit more awkward like i think herokin just picked shadowed him right now and then if vici picked
the shadow theme after it's not going to look as good for their draft as it did in the first game
because now it's like I don't know it it's also a deterrent to the wind ranger that they didn't
ban yeah shadow even we didn't need to ban it we're just going to make sure shiro can ever really
move between the fights right yeah exactly it's like if you pick shadow fiend here for vici
now you have to worry about thursa if we're at the wind and you can't pick either of those with
the shadow fiend to deny them you only get the one ban because your second pick so it just
kind of is a bit scary it's a bit it's a bit of an awkward position to be in it's also why
they're going to the bonus time though they'll just ignore all of the above and go from there.
Well I think to honestly get past that solution it's either you ignore the shadow feet or you ban
it yourselves because then that way if you ban it then you don't have to deal with the heroic one
and then if you ignore it and let heroic maybe take yeah hopefully you have those same responses
but again kind of like who you're saying now you can't pick the win and the shadow it's like such a
snowball of events because of the difference in like the mars band the tree and band like all these
like random bands in the first phase snowball but i guess in this case they could ban out one and
pick the other or yes yeah they could ban say the ursa or the and then just have to play verse one
all that matters guys is vici gaming it will 13 pick jakira and then the draft will continue
but what if what if they what do they 14 15 shadow fiend win range i guess and they go for ursa
That's that's a that's a weird looking draw off there. What if they ban Ursa?
I mean they have infinite freedom of choice here. I do. What if they ban Techies? Oh, he's got that's the
piece of tape if you hold it the other way around that's for me. That's the story about the game.
I mean the off-lane pool is it's smaller. The central ban here to me
feels like the type of ban where it's like hey Vici Gaming are you gonna win Ranger?
But are you really gonna waste your 12 ban because we 11 ban Centaur and then if you don't ban it
Of course, we are potentially gonna have a very good windranger game because in the car ourselves
So that it's not like they kind of pushing that you gave me. I think you have to ban the shadowfiender for v2
Yeah, no, they're bad. Oh, yeah, cuz there's the mepo. Oh
this is I'm
This this 14 15 shadowfiend potential is like you again
We say Ursa wind or the best ones are shadowing shadowing in tenors both because you purge the ursa's overpower
You purge the windrunners windrun you give shadowing a good matchup you can pick it what her what support does heroic love picking clockwork
You can still just pick clockwork SF
unfortunately 15
Clocklands fine versus the tiny four. It just I think the draft gets kind of scary here. We come to conclusions
There's also Phoenix still in the pool continue. Thank you. That's something is just very good. Yeah
I don't even just
You can do road you can bully lame of your menace you can of course
Break someone you can slow something you gentlemen does everything in regards to if you map play if you if you have that in mind
Is that they will go for them?
If you just have in mind, okay, okay, whatever we pick shadow demon will counter it. So we'll just ignore it and just go for a good game plan yourself
Yeah, pretty much right. That's the only thing you can do of course like when there are heroes like this
Then you either need to have multiple ways of finding the hero killing the hero so then it cannot shine
Or you just have to need like a very robust game plan that when your timings hit the shadow even cannot feel like he's
All right, they're having quite a giggle. I'll say yeah giga chad. Yeah, so how do you what it would shine?
You don't get very stare right? It's good for safes, right?
Because most of the saves kind of get purged for staff stuff like that
So the general counter is centaur is why it's been because you can stampede that doesn't get purged
They run away from the shoddy minnow. He doesn't blink. What's that? I'm also not blinking. What's that?
I'm in a battle right now
But you won't know who's gonna win Shiva you have to validate for me. I have KJ. I'm looking to blink brother
I already lost. Please blink KJ. He's not blinking
Please he's not blinking. He's holding KJ. Come on brother
Oh my god, there's no way. Come on blink dude.
My guy's gonna have dry eyes and do his first blood.
He's not blinking. No blinkers hat. He's leaning back down.
The stairs almost come to him.
Okay, I blinked.
I now blinked, but he looked away first.
There's a sign of, you know, power.
Guys got aura.
It's sort of a shadow fiend actually, but it does get picked even into a wind ranger.
So, to finish the counter shadow fiend.
So I had to focus on the fiend.
No, I know, it's very important.
What if Tiny, here, you don't play as an initiator, you play it purely to just toss out whoever gets shot at even ulted in the fights?
Sure.
Because it's a save that doesn't get purged, and then you have this tanky hero goes in, and then, now for Vici, they're 16-17, they had success with the puck.
You pick another, like, kind of initiator mid hero, so that the Tiny doesn't have to do that job, and I think it can be good, and you also do have, like, full-up stuns for the Shadowfiend, you know...
But they can't pick puck anymore, Puck's back.
sure but the style of like storm ember oh my god they have the trifecta shadow shadow shadow
is there a third or fourth no right um no i think i think sorry is that a beauty shadow
fiend shadow shaman yeah that's it no doesn't do anything in there with like shaman lore or
something no we're keeping it simply day based okay apologies just the shadows i don't think
we've ever seen all three of them on the same team. It's too strong. Ever. Ever. Ever.
It's the history of Dota. People normally avoid it, you know. What about the history of Brewmaster?
Pretty good. I think it's... So, is this spells? No? Why you picked Brewmaster here?
Against the supports, right? Like, both backline, positional base supports, Brewmaster will always
be able to cut through the front line, go find whoever's meant to be helping out, and right now,
the drafts are presenting the battle of I'm picking a hero that's already counted but I will execute
better right you've got the the wind ranger shadow fiend picked after wind ranger can beat shadow fiend
in the 1v1 but you have shadow demon to protect you and then of course brew monster now is to okay
shadow demon counters my wind ranger so I'll go find him wind ranger you go kill so it will always
be this battle of where shadow demon positioning can brew monster find him is wind ranger locked
onto the shadow fiend I think there's two major things I see with the brew here it's one uh he's
He's kind of like the only zoo hero that gets picked consistently these days if you want to count as like multiple summons
And both the supports on heroic are countered by zoo
It's just like like he's not really getting picked Bruce not really getting picked visit
So it's like, you know if you want to pick one
It's kind of brute that the second one is you could just save or lift the shadow fiend in these fights, right?
And shadowing me I don't can you cast it if with the shard if he's already there
I
I think you can yes, but you still need to get the shard, you know and spam it on the shadow fiend
So at least in the early game you can kind of ignore the shadow fiend and deal with the support
So it's probably why they wanted it. Yeah, you know
It's a pretty cool timber game. Why I don't I say I think cool
Just for the idea of buying time for other people because like I already mentioned about the information, right?
that you need to find would bring us to get into the Shadow Demon, but Timber Sword plays very far forward in the fights,
itemizes its way. Yes, Wind Ranger can kill you, Focus Fire, Phoenix with Sunray can also kill you off,
but if you're taking these spells for your team,
Shadow Fiends are not getting ultied, your Shadow Demon is not being found, like, I think the argument for heroic is,
we just need someone to absorb,
and that's cool.
I've seen this matchup a lot though, the win versus Timber, and like you would think,
I think, wow, Timber's really good versus Wind, because she wants to just like, hit you.
You mean just winning the lane, right?
Yeah, for the lane, specifically.
But Wind is actually very good versus Timber in that early and mid game, because she does
so much damage with the Shackle facet.
Like you get a Shackle on the Timber, plus like two creeps or whatever, and every hit
she's doing like 8% of his health, 9% of his health.
But that's why I'm, when I see Timber, it's like, he is going to be the one taking his
damage.
I already know it.
It might even be one of those weird like, blade nail games on the Timber, so like you
go, hey, please don't hit me.
I need to see the Tylong Hero that can complement Timber-Sokywind's damage.
Tylong will come with a killing blow, and then eventually you will be like,
thank you guys for setting up this game for me.
I'm now not countered by Windranger because you guys have done your job.
Beast Bastards in the pool.
Don't give a start to that one.
Ancient Apparitions did it.
Yeah, well, I'm not having hopes for that one.
So good.
We do have the Ursa and the Viper removed.
Of course, there's still a lot of flex potential on the side of VG Gaming
with the Tiny and the Windranger actually.
So, still keeping the respect there for Ursa being a counter to the Shadowfiend.
They also have helped XM a lot, right? Because he's going to get last pick in the draft, right?
Tiny, of course, he could debate 4 or mid, but if he sees a mid here, he wants, he gets it.
So now Tylong has to pick blind. He needs to find, like, what's my generic hero that can play in most matchups?
Again, Beastmaster does fit that bill, but Queen of Pain.
Queen also stuns are a very awkward thing for the gaming so the storms the the queens the
I can shove wave even from done with I have to hear
Roach after we limited on stuns to with the Queen of pain
But it's a pretty like solid blind mid lane
And I think just like the control of the altar bit on the broolings a bit on the wind and like the scaling damage like the mobility
I think helps their draft a lot and we saw I think it was Tundra play the Queen of pain Charityman
It was just like so nice to have this year behind you that you can like blink and really aggressively and be saved
They finally may have done it guys
I'm happy at least to see Beastmaster
They have all the tools and kite in their lineup to be aggressive
But you know a little bit more rush on potential another BKB pacing spell is always gonna be good
I think virtue gaming is on it so far is a lot of like kiting and nuisance
But when Ranger at the end of the day has to be to be an outkill someone and when I some kill mean someone
It has to be a big core. So
That alone is a bit of a fear for me because like all of her heroes can scale to the point where as a beast eyes
Timber SS can still win the fight as those two alive, right? And then you could have see interchange that to the others
There's I know snipers givers be smid, but I hope they don't pick it because I don't think it really fits their draft
I know that is like an XM hero. They might pick it just because of that. It's just I don't I think they need more
Something like a storm. Yeah, looks good. Oh
Okay, I think that's
Oh, no, it's is it gonna be a mid timber to blame versus the mid. I know mid beasts finally after like a month of Tylone
Not oh freedom Tylone Tylone. I'd be long for the Beastmaster
So do you. So do I. I really hope it lives up to the expectations and the hype that I've given it.
Yeah, there's no way it's like it goes into this game through T and he just kind of like he was like solo killing like bees him and laning phase as a beast.
Like he was doing like some random shenanigans again, not played it for a month, not because it's been like banned because they didn't want to give it to him.
So yeah, I'm just happy that we finally see it again.
That's great. I have a question though because normally when a team has 24th like overall last pick
You want to be like boom gotcha, you know
Awesome Wow, it's jacquero
But he is such a lane winner that jacquero plus win ranger gonna already mentioned how timber can be a little bit awkward
I'm laying against win ranger those two heroes. I'm expecting timber to play on the back foot
He's not gonna get this free lane this free tanky items the front line that he should have a couple deaths to his name. I
I think that Vici, I don't know how the Alphalint is going to go, for me that's the big one, it's the Brumesser Phoenix, I think if that lane goes good then I'm happy for Vici and if that lane goes kind of bad, I think Harrow might snowball.
Someone will snowball. But you're just happy with the Beastmaster.
I'm just happy that we see the Tylong, Beastmaster, alright, that's it, nothing else to be said, hope it lives up to the expectations, if not, sorry for the fake hub, hype, back to you Shiva.
Well, it's time you gonna do okay then against peace. Yeah, no that way that matchups good the crash landing faster
It means you can just kill the boars like I think level three. It's really really easy to kill them consistently. So
Well, the game has begun. So we're jumping into game number three. This is tournament lives on the line
Let's head over to Waga and Garrus
That's flat out how it goes. Yeah elimination on the line here for these two teams as we get into game three between bitchy gaming and
heroic and a jikiro last pick i'm surprised no one's as excited as we are the lane dominating
flappy dragon boy comes out for why yeah lane domination has been very very important for a
lot of these teams obviously dole has played at a very fast pace at this level uh and i actually
think that tigav non-stop asking for this beast master is very appropriate for the game that we
get it in because i think beast master is going to be the pivotal point for heroic if he gets a
a good start if he gets Agadamse up there at a reasonable timing I think they
looked very strong they can take that early rose into tormentor and they could
do all the things they want but if Vici Gaming recognize it shut him down if
they can make rotations control runes I think that would also be a very very it
would be a very vulnerable point to put pressure basically. Yeah because like the
panel was saying right these two heroic supports very susceptible to being
chased down by a brew dived on by a windranger a phoenix or a tiny with a
Blink so having these heroes who can be the front line bodies the peace master the temper saw when they're confident and comfortable
Making jumps and playing forward you have that knock on effect of protecting your supports
So if you can't even find ways to slow down that and make them not as beefy
I'll make sure the timings don't quite hit you give back an easier time
King jungles or a just offsetting the enemy off lane
this auto attacking onto the Phoenix I
I get some clicks in there early days.
Adminis, you can't let him keep hitting you.
Shadow Demon Shadow Fiend, lane.
Up at top, at Tylon, in the middle lane against XM.
Beastmaster against Tiny, you can see that crash landing with the tosses on the bores later on,
like going to set a level 3, you can try and kill them off.
But this is the hero and player combination that TGuff has been longing for.
Oh, nice shackle down bottom. Big damage onto Teolikor.
Of course it's not a kill attempt, but just a shackle into two auto attacks from both of them,
and Teolikor drops all his HP basically.
And this matchup on mid, I would say, is very, very straightforward for Beastmaster.
I don't think he's struggling as the tiny at all.
He does have some AWE damage technically, but not enough to threaten your boars early on.
And it's yeah, it should be very easy to see you saying I predict for the the beast master
Let's put down a bottom against these two ranged heroes who's trying to keep the lane as far back as possible
Acro dragging the melee creeps into the range so you can try and deny it and hold that wave
as close to your tier one
can
But this is a jacquero who can very happily sit and trade with your telecore shutter shaman has access to the small camp
and I believe the large camp as well so Vigie Gaming, they can do all the lane manipulation they want if that wave does push up
It's trying to keep both the camps available, it's going to go for an attempted small camp stack
but of course T.L.Decor with his boots and sentry will try and block up both the camps here
Hey, why even blocking the camp himself?
He's happy with the status quo I guess, the lane is going to be fine for them, it's in a nice position so
An extra melee creep there to show forward.
Filicorps with shackles on to Y trying to show who's boss.
Guess we're still casting out.
I like the Rasta getting in and getting some help on last hitting and denying.
You have a lot of damage on this hero.
Might not be able to harass into the wind run,
and you can't trade against a Kiro, so best you can do is help up with the CSing.
Yeah, might even see an earlier move from Filicorps.
He is very adept at going through the Twin Gate and playing into the other lane.
Vice-Aversa have the shadow to even come bottom to try and deal with this
Sakura Windranger lane.
Now, on mid lane, we see more of what we saw from the start, 17-6 vs the 12-0s
and no deny for Tiny yet.
Tiny is one of the heroes who wants to get the nice, he has that pre-grab
to get extra damage, but against the Bors, it's just difficult, man.
The extra additional half a hero basically that Tyrone has with the double Bors,
one of them now expires, so when both of them are up with the hero clicking you,
CXM really struggling to stick in this lane.
I would even argue it's a full hero sometimes.
If you summon two boars at level two, that's 80 damage.
That's a full hero and then some.
Pretty nutty.
Things starting out well for Tylung.
And then that situation you were kind of describing,
dealing with a Beastmaster to shut him down.
Phoenix and Jekiro, you know, they've got a lot of early damage output,
so potentially could make that rotation because Tiny has the stun.
Having this mid laner that's kind of beefy, can guard runes,
can do that otherwise accessing enemy ancients to stop the stacks or contest the stacks could be a
thing that Ricci gaming looked towards yeah i think why is looking at mid right now because he
was chasing Rasta for a while and this beast is deep under tower it's been bringing phoenix as well
it should be an easy kill but now why is going to drag the white wave around beast master gathering
up all the farm past that tier one and actually making sure xm doesn't get any freedom in this lane
Sticking on the tiny double pause with the Wild Axe Damage Amp
Not gonna die of the tier one while doing a very important job of holding the creep wave dag
That theoretically could have been a solo kill and in fact might still be
Tylong forcing back two heroes and one V2 the 16 year old
What do you do against him? AxeM's like, guys, we're having some issues in this mid lane
Yeah, they're definitely running some problems now
Now they have two heroes not doing anything against the Beastmaster, that's why I kind
of wanted to see the Phoenix as well coming towards mid, but Beastmaster is going to get
denied on the Water Room bottom, and the top one, Tiny could maybe force him to deny it,
but he's solo HP on Tiny.
That's scary for Tiny stepping up for this.
Water Room gets denied, so very important, tiling at least.
Miner shut down there, no bottom refills, no more Wild Axe spam, breathing room for
XM
XM might just have to run over and get the bounty and get some more refills going with the Beastmasters
Very happily just staying on mid, sure he took some damage but he is more than okay to just keep the creep wave here
34 and 10 versus the 22 and 0
The big story of the laning stage for sure
Of course top lane is doing quite well for Eroic as well, Yuma
36 and 6 versus the 25 and 2
I have not been too impressed by brewmasters that I've seen in this patch
So we'll see if Bach can make it work. I wonder if he's gonna go for the agonist of the build
That's the one that I've seen be the most successful
Yeah, ever since people realized radiance is a garbage item rightfully so we've had a lot of ideas about shifting this brewmaster into
You know the pipe build the agonist build the spare vessel build
Curious to see what ideas Bach has got here
Yeah, it's a bit unfortunate for Broomaster because he was the one who was so happy with
Radiance working so well on their Earth Panda and now it just doesn't really hit the same
way it doesn't have a chance.
Now dive in, not gonna gather anything apart from information, planet now realizing Broom
has spawned top, a Tylaan using that.
Info from KJ and Theolical, double supports rotating to guard the first active rune.
stacks are made in the jungle for Tylong to fall back on. Of course he's maxing out the
wild access to get the farm rate going.
Yeah, when you bring these supports into mid, right, Jakiro moving into help, now the Phoenix
coming across, Whisper got left alone for a long period there to get himself very quickly
into the vanguard, get tanky, and now he has staying power in his bottom lane because
he was having, I don't want to say a hard time, but it was definitely uncomfortable for
the timber into the Windranger.
So he's still in danger level three on power shots like Vanguard will help, but it's still a painful lane
You'd feel the cool here to help
And then top lane of course with Phoenix leaving means the brewmaster was left with his own devices
Trying to sit in front of his tower to gather up the creeps as you man king jungles all disrupt the oppressed forward here
With that shadow fiend requiem to push back away
Three heroes there from beachy gaming arriving Knack says tiny gonna make his presence
Snow! An avalanche on a toss kills off Yuma!
A first blood for Bach!
He dies for it!
Gives him the hug of death on SF, the release on death gets the kill at least.
Unfortunately there, the ulti from SF didn't really look that strong because the brewmaster earth form on the drunken parlor stands.
Gives a lot of magic res.
Very tanky.
Important move from XM though, to make sure that they don't get the double wisdom, don't get this pivotal move.
But again, it's pressure off of Tylong.
Shedaphine was already having a very good time, so that death, you know, sound but not super meaningful in terms of negative effects on Heroic.
That's true, yeah. The SF is gonna be okay with it. He tried for something, he went for the invasion, something we see Heroic do a lot.
What are your thoughts on Hand of Midas, Lager?
Hold up, we have a roar onto the crewmaster coming out.
Set up by the disruption, raises will come from Yuma, and Bart, the Sunray, with a hop-skip away.
Get some of that Stormstance, the axe is flying.
Ah, it ticks over!
KJ, just enough damage with it.
Dairily drops.
Is that a Shadow Poison?
Level 1 Shadow Poison, yeah, I was looking at it as well.
Take him down towards the very end there, the 26 damage.
Wow.
Well, yeah, he's queued up the Hand of Midas.
I think it's fine to go Midas on the Brewmaster, I'm not a massive fan.
I kind of like the Straight Aghanims more.
I fear that he might be used this for a little bit too long of a time window, whereas the
Straight Aghanims does make him stronger a bit earlier.
Again, for me, the Hand of Midas is mainly on heroes that really want the attack speed.
Brewmaster does have Crit, I guess, but it's still not amazing.
Yeah, I guess it's also one of those items where if you're a hero who has a big ulty, you rely on your ulty right, it's quite nice to just pop your ulty, have the smartest to then fall back and farm jungle when you have the downtime.
Yep, get that additional gold to keep yourself going, and if you're aiming to drag this game out a little bit, because things haven't gone particularly well in the laning stage, Vici gaming may be aiming for that later timing around BKBs.
Yeah, they certainly could be. At the same time, we kind of know Heroic, you know, the team with the scripts, and the draft is very similar to do what they want to do in every game, that 15 minutes, 16 minutes, sometimes 14 minutes, timing for Roche.
Probably going to be what they play for again. They have the Rasta, they have the SF. Even Shadow Demon is a good Roching hero.
I have to reprogram my brain to still think that way, like I've played a lot of Shadow
of Daemon even, I keep going for Rosh, you know it's been amazing, he's given me a lot
of MMR this boy, but in my mind I still don't have SD as like a Roshing hero, but he's
one of the absolute best.
Those N8s, hidden effects, and Manus is a truly overpowered N8, I would say.
Very good.
I'm a little bit sad we're not going to see that Roshan timing speed up, you know, from
15, 14, 13, 12, 10, you know, 10 minute rush would be cool.
The beach are getting definitely wise to it now though, so hopefully we'll see them be
able to react when we do get that move into the pit with the surfing boards.
Huh.
So now a lot of stacking and farming.
The massive stack over on the ancient, gonna try and use the tiny toss to farm most of
it.
It's not really the easiest for Tiny to farm this.
And he's given up control of that mid lane, so the push is coming in from Beastmaster and
Shatter Sherman, requiring the Phoenix to hold them back.
Well, whispered down at bottom, 700 health with a vanguard, they've spent all their stunts, so just TP home.
Lol.
Just TP to safety. Same as last game. TP very good.
More stacks on the right, so Tiny clears out on the left.
The other core.
This is for the Beastmaster, I assume. Faster acts for him.
Yeah, it would have to be. It's the timing that you care most about.
You could farm it on anyone really, a timber or the SF could also clear it, but I think Beastmaster is the one who relies on getting it.
relies on getting his timing first, so Whisper might help out. Maybe they just cheer for him it now.
I don't feel like all gets delayed after stacking. Oh, it's gonna be Whisper taking it. Interesting.
I would imagine you wanted on Beast more, but maybe he felt he had to go back mid.
Gonna get Tylong a megaphone. Whisper maybe just a louder voice in the team saying,
I'm older, I'm bigger, you're smaller. Listen up here kid. There's nothing you can do about it.
right. It's my ancient deck. For now, both teams holding strong on their safe lane, neither
of them really being pressured at all, kind of due to the offlaner's both being shut down
in fair amounts, but Beastmaster might be the one to swing towards side lanes and make
a difference. You want to play into the brew lane, right?
Like, bark TPing to use Primal Split feels kind of awkward and clunky.
So it's kind of a joy seeing them like smoke from mid down to bot, then twingate up to top so you get this double...
...kind of double tap effect.
Now you can maybe kill a timber and then move up to top to get tower.
Also I have to double damage on the tiny to go with the Kiro, seeding up mid.
Kill off the boss.
Somebody's so careful. Estes level 60 is kind of popped to the ulti maybe.
What's the matter? Wanted to get tiny, but XM, guess the distance, why he's been left here with the shackles and the damage not being enough.
Looks like Tylungs made the call to back up.
Feel the call getting snifed out by the power shot and the dive in from the Brewmaster.
They'll bring numbers. Five members of Vici Gaming coming in here to kill the support and open up this mid-tier one.
Vici strike first, making a move on the tower. Take the tower without having to use any big spells.
I mean, sure, macro power has dropped, but instead of Brumas or Ulti, Phoenix could acquire the Ulti next.
I'm doing the same thing as well. We've seen this multiple times now. The Phoenix skipping Ulti just to get hotspot damage increased.
It's just doing an absurd amount of damage. It really does.
And they've got a ton of disable, like having a Shack of Short or an Avalash Toss come in.
got ways to unlock that Sunright
I gotta be very good against the Timber and the Beastmaster
so the game progresses
where's Timber going from here? he went vanguard, soul ring, just farming towards kaisansh
makes sense
does feel like you might fall off from the timing you want to hit this Timber
Can do a lot of stuff early in lane start pressuring the tower this wind rangers worked out really well defensively against it
Had a show on a shadow demon
Smoked up and wandering down south
That's 14 minutes in and they would love to pop into Roche. I
Think they've got eyes on here of wind rangers ago with King jungle smoke breaking
Why nearby? They start with destruction, in with Whispers Damage, Shiro half HP, but turn around with Planet and why both here?
They've had to spend the Serpent Wards, trouble is Shiro so Franjal has already fallen.
Whispers getting blasted though by XM and Buck, not quite enough damage to finish the job, the damage of a time?
Gasp back to Fountain! The raindrops in the vanguard, Strength Shreds tank him through it.
Whispave and purchased the Fairfire, he was like, do I need it?
And he's fine, he was ready in case he was gonna take even more damage.
Nicely done by them, getting the core kill, you can see the value of the Shadow Demon against Windrangers while the ulti
so good at holding her in place, even when Rasta got disjointed by the Ice Path, which was a very good read by J'Kiro.
It didn't matter, wind could not get out of that situation.
Shaddaf in the meantime has raced up to the top of the network, 7700 for him.
The other core is still out on the bottom lane.
Snipe down.
Seaching up, grouping around the tower, going behind us.
I like these kind of sweeping moves, we see them a lot where you want to go for an objective
but instead of running straight at it, you start moving around, angling a bit, looking
if anyone's sitting around, and then you just let Takuro and Windranger do their damage.
A night and day difference, right? This game quite slow compared to Heroic's previous ones.
Seems like Vici Gaming have had a pretty good read on how to delay these active moves
and pre-empt them a lot of the time. Getting there a step ahead of Heroic,
taking down a lot of these early tier 1 towers feels very good for them.
Yeah, I do think a lot of it comes back to, you know, a few tweaks and differences we see.
They don't have the Golem, they don't have Warlock, Warlock has been instrumental in
a lot of their success to dominate lanes and then start pushing early.
And at the same time, Beast must admit, let's not kid ourselves, it is a greedy mid.
He wants to farm that Agamemes and once he gets it, he wants to farm even more.
It's not the craziest high tempo hero, so he's only been involved in one kill, whereas
Tiny is a more aggressive mid laner, he's got the blink already.
Highland wants BKB Blink. Several items after. XM going for Blink BKB. Barc going for that
Midas into Ags, like you mentioned. Happy is going for the Agonimus and not the Radiance.
I've seen some programs with Radiance build and it just looks so bad. But yeah, his push
Power is pretty decent to Kuro, maybe he's way here to tier one tower as well.
It can be quite difficult for her to approach this.
Supernova.
Kuro spells offer a lot of control in an area.
You need to be very delicate.
You need to try and defend the tower, so in fact they just leave it to die.
Give another objective over towards the Raging Team.
Slowly building up their advantage.
This is not in the script, Gareth.
None of this is in the script.
The heroic script for how they want to play the early game
has been completely stopped.
So we're only three minutes away from Torment to Spawning.
They have not started going for the moves that we usually see.
It is interesting though, right?
Because it's felt like future gaming,
they are building up this map advantage,
this objective advantage.
Getting out there, making sure that the map gets
a little smaller for heroic.
But the South American team has done a very good job
keeping this net worth lead.
Staying ahead with the Shadow Fiend of Beastmaster, flying quickly through the jungle,
and now when they hit their stride, find their item timing.
That's the blink.
They smoke and make a move onto the tiny.
Or like Requiem, Yuma goes into the Serpent Wars.
He's trapped.
Oh, and there's no not trapped.
He breaks free.
There's the kill on XM.
Wide gone.
Three heroes in a row.
Heroic, take them all down.
I also thought it would be trapped.
That one word is off to his side a little bit,
because of how it was placed.
It was a hero in the way, so the word isn't a full trap.
It's a little opening.
A little home.
But that's heroic.
Hit the right in Flammings, 18 minutes of farming, now it's time to go.
Get ourselves an 18 minute rush, Jan.
Don't even think about the Tormentor in a minute and a half.
It's just a bingo situation, where we see them take a 14 minute rush, a 15 minute rush, 16 minutes 70, 18 minute rush.
We've seen Heroic do most of the pre-20 minute rushes by now.
Next game we need to have a 19 minute rush from them. We'll have to be next series though.
By the way, this is going now, 5k lead.
Building up the tempo, Taiwan getting pretty close to that BKB, that might be in the cards
for them.
Yeah, not going for the blink dagger as well, so going for more of an adaptive build against
the Jekiro, the Phoenix, even against the RooMaster.
You know, it can't be allowed to play the game if you don't have a BKB, so let's talk
about bursting someone quickly and more so about being able to do what you want.
particular killing the egg as well. Being able to vkb and just auto attack into it.
But on the side of Vici gaming they have the Aghanem Scepter on the Vroomaster,
something they didn't have in the previous fights.
Sheerow also realizing. Can't go from here on the dragon lands on this one. Has to get a
BKB on the Swin Ranger, shift his item build. Knowing how much damage output
heroic actually has. Playing up to this top left corner and Torment is up in 10 seconds
time. Heroic aren't quite in position. Again, Vici Gaming have preempted this. Good read
on the map and good understanding of where they need to be. They're thinking about going
through the gates. This is some aggressive play by Timber. Is he going? He's thinking
about it because Ty along and King Jungles they're here on the right hand side ready
to go. Whisper's going to pop through the gate now. But he's still fake pumping saying
Hello, anyone home? In comes the tost, though, except that's the blow-up. Shadow Demon down.
And a signal here that Heroic can't really just waltz into the Tormentor area.
That's all smart by Vici. They're like, okay, you're showing that you're on the other side.
You're showing that you're on the other side of this warp gate. We're just gonna go on your teammates.
So, quick smoke over, find the SD, and that's the end of the story, really. You can't really fight 4v5.
Even if you have the Aegis, it feels like you might be playing into a hand of Vici.
That's heroic with ages
They meant to the ones pressing forward instead sitting back in farming. They were just too late, right?
They were not in the position they needed to be to contest this tormentor. Not the end of the world this term isn't
The beel and all objective, but it's a nice upgrade for why getting the short on the Kiro. Gotta do a bit more damage now
Future gaming are kind of a minute ahead there thinking okay, but give up 30 seconds or a minute of farming
Get to the Tormentor, get that objective, very clear directive from them.
Try and pick up the speed.
But Heroic, still with two minutes on ages, going to gather up their forces down south.
They've got some good observer wards here that give vision across the entire area in
this bottom lane.
I like the choice from Bach, Ironmization Vice.
So he went Midas and Dagnam Scepter, he's already queued up Blink, A on disc refresher.
I like it.
If you get Blink and A on disc, you can always go first and hop in.
He does have to be a bit wary about the SD ulti to dispel the A on this kill, but the idea is that he will hopefully be able to cast Cremal Split before getting killed off.
Across the board, I really feel like they're outscaling BG.
Shatterfiend, Timber, Beastmaster, all with his raw damage output.
Tanki and Hard to Kill through the BKBs that they're going to have momentarily.
Honestly, they're arriving on couriers and what do you finish on some?
This is a very scary moment in the game for VG gaming.
Yes, they pulled out all the stops to kind of play ahead and be fast and deal with a heroic,
but very easily could just be walked over one by one as the damage comes.
A quick couple of jumps both supports fall and again the map gets small dark and uninhabitable for VG.
Yeah, we haven't seen them get any big teamfights on the back of this
brewmaster agonims as well ever since they got it.
There's a big difference in brew agonims and something like beast agonims were.
Beast? Yeah, it's good for fighting.
but it's primarily a farming item, so he's very happy farming as well.
And then, Brew Aghanims, you need to fight with it, otherwise it's basically a dead item.
So they need to force fights off cooldown, get something done, otherwise they're gonna fall behind.
Goes up high ground, sees Whisper, Tylong still lurking.
Maybe a turnaround from them, and on the right hand side,
Yuma and Theolikor come in with a Rackbjorn BKB, wound up!
the hex. Uh, excuse me. Okay. Well, coming in from the players, they all he did land with a minor lag spike there.
The brewmaster is dead. Well, that's for damn sure. He's feared up and the XM agree.
Bit of lag? Yeah.
I mean, that's a rough one for each of you gaming. I don't think you know, brewmaster surviving no matter what happens heroic have the perfect initiation. So the brewmasters for sure.
Super dead. He was held up by Rasta, so there was no way that he could have done anything regardless.
I think the lag came after he was shackled anyway, so...
It could be worse. It could be worse timing on it, but obviously disruptive for any teamfights.
So what do you say? Is Vici gaming then? Just bail? Run away? Did you take the fight for V5?
They lost their big teamfight tools, so yeah, they have to just get out.
WinRanger doesn't have BKB. She can't go in. All they have is Tiny with a BKB,
But he basically could get solo killed by the Beastmaster if he had roar. It's eight seconds cooldown
And Phoenix is miles away as well. He might be in trouble still like then he could try and get out
But he's just gonna chase him and he does have little little hopper to the Tundra's toy. Oh my god
It's unleashed potency. He can hop so hard
Yeah, I guess time
The Beastmaster is facing the wrong way right so tiny can't just blink south get himself a bit of distance
Yeah, but Beast Mask can blink after him and then hop, so uh, he's definitely still in danger on Tiny.
He's gonna get avalanche and shackle-shotted.
You think he'll live?
I think Tiny will live.
I bet Tiny's dead.
I believe in XM.
Do you believe in him?
Okay.
All eyes on the brewmaster.
Everyone's looking at his dying brew.
He's probably gonna BKB TP immediately, and then he's fine.
Blinked BKB TP and he's fine.
Because the roar is still on cooldown.
Does he know the roar is still on cooldown?
That's the other question.
Yeah, it's very close to becoming off cooldown. So maybe he thinks he has to run away. I think he thinks he has to run away
You think you think I think you think he thinks I think yes on the way. We don't know what he's
All I know I think brewmaster is dead. I think I think brewmaster is dead fuck if you survive here
Disappears and tiny he's fine away. He's fine. We did have to be a baby. He's our wind ranger
distraction mechanics well a bit of safety for each of you gaming there I
don't think the outcome would have changed all that much your brewmaster was
in the middle of fire and fury whisper just making sure this BKB works okay I
mean he didn't need it for a team fight so he's just prepping it for a creep wave
coming in they looked pretty menacing I had soul ring BKB they look kind of
similar in the inventory do you think you had it in the in the soul ring slots
He moved it or the magic stick. That's a classic isn't it? It really is
Yeah, I should probably get out of the habit of that as well
I have my magic stick and then I move it for the beak me when I get beat me is like
Will be chance for a mistake like the worst is refresher when you had have your refresher and you'll wander your bottle slot
You know just pressing buttons. Oh, no, and I'm like a two-minute cool down
Just a piece of pressure all
Vigigating gonna smoke out and look for something they need to break out of the rut they're in
They don't have tiny with them though, so this is three playing into the wind ranger in that top left corner
Trying to approach the whisper timber who did spend that bkb frivolously in the middle lane
I think he even showed that he doesn't have to be on the mid lane
I think he ran up on the creep wave so I believe they can thorn him safely here and they make the jump
Sunray makes him less tanky than he thought he was ice path and power shot is back to kill in the end with a final touch
Disruptions from the back though with the serpent walls here
Yeah, they're onto Shiro, but a supernova sunray. KJ's forced away.
Shiro has to bait BKB to get away from these serpent wards, and the grasp of heroic.
Brumaster doing a good job. He locked off Beastmaster. He could not connect.
Otherwise, the Beastmaster would ditch his ports. Maybe they could go in and fight.
I think it was optimistic to begin with.
But he was getting controlled by the Brumaster ulti.
It's a nice little change of, like, expected value, though, right?
You know Whisper's dead. You go for this play where maybe you kill Shiro and lose the Shadow Demon.
Like losing the Shadow Demon as a freebie kind of looks bad in a vacuum,
but the overall goal there, right, was to get that bonus kill, turn it into more get Tylong Unleashed.
The Sunray does so much damage, by the way.
It did 1,900 damage to him there on Timber.
Yes!
Sunray only. That was the only button he pressed on him.
Pretty spooky.
The Sansage base damage is good.
Here we go again. Playing this very forward style, always on the enemy side of the river, looking for openings to get his team in position.
Something both supports are very adapted to it. Disruption and hex into shackles can set up for the blink cause to catch up and get the damage going.
They're also taking advantage of that sort of mentality of being on the front foot to get deep wards.
They have some nice vision, see XM farming jungle right now, they have some idea what's going on.
And if they know where Tiny is, they probably feel pretty safe to farm.
He's definitely going to be part of the pick-off crew, generally.
And the Heroic is building towards some important items.
Have Linkin's coming in for the SF, not too far from here.
Going to help him a lot against the Windranger focus.
And Refresher, build on Beastmaster.
Quick Roche spawn.
the night time, Fulton Roche, a top Roche, jump in from XM, misses the toss, SF gonna
tip him back, he just tossed a creep, oh my god I didn't even see that in a creep
right next to him, tiny so damn massive but yeah unfortunately for him that's
gonna mess up the chainstone, oh that's rough of each other, got freebie on the SF
they don't get it. Now heroic, suspected farming, pretty comfortable just keep this
10 key lead in their pockets. Yeah you only get so many opportunities like that
as well to get an easy kill on the most farmed hero on the map.
He's SF, next time he's gonna have the Lincoln's ready of course as well.
Ah, I scared the harder. Over on the enemy ancients, those of Vici Gaming are and they're
They're gonna use that information to smoke as five.
They want to get a team flight into Roche play here.
Top lane being pushed by the Beastmaster Boars
and Shiro's power shot revealing his positioning,
now showing on the wave as well.
They have double BKB, double Roar, refresher.
Beastmaster refresher is here, that's huge.
And Timber's so tanky, he can easily go firsts.
As if it's like, I don't have BKB guys, you guys lead.
I'll follow, smoke's gonna break momentarily.
Didi, Tylong, jump in from Thielecour, they fight the planet, first point of contact, supernova Sunray out, forces Tylong's BKB, Shatter Shaman's down, heroic!
A whiffed initiation as Vici Gaming reacts swiftly, and now a disruption.
Fine time for Tylong to disengage, roaring up one of the Bruleys, and as Whisper, in the midst of them, front of dish damage with the Flamethrower.
At the Brewmaster wants to fight, Winter Endure does not have Ulti though and respecting the refresher and the fact that SF Ulti was never spent.
I think it's smart by Avicii not to chase too much, yes you've got to pick off and that was a really good hold by them but I don't think they should get overly cocky.
That was already a pretty big victory to not all die in that kind of situation.
Knowing that you don't die, you don't lose out on Roshan, you can get back to the standoff around the pit.
Yeah, the blinks were not really connecting the way Heroic wanted.
They did blink pretty blindly forward, trying to grab anyone they could.
But, uh, Bichi, we're ready.
It's back to a standoff.
Roche is gonna relocate in 40 seconds.
Will we see how 33 styles take Roche towards the very end?
There's no fissure this time.
There's no.
Don't lock him in
I think heroic yeah, I've got a pretty good spot here just to swap sides
Yeah, I wrote a high ground ward in the bottom jungle as well
Heroic definitely want to take it bottom because then they can fight close to their outpost as well
Radiant can I have to give up this Roche? I think
And again, they have all these coming off cooldown could smoke over if they want to so tense
Did you game me like, well they're gonna go and take it, what are we gonna do, and doing
a good job pushing out the waves, getting back towards that refresher orb but it's such
an expensive item.
Not taking a while, still to get there.
And heroic they can plant themselves in that bottom jungle, get even more vision down,
completely secure the area around the pit.
The racers will start on the Roche. Yuma, impatient to kill this.
People are already out. Roche's all inked and has popped.
Nervy towards a down.
Whisper's gonna front line this and smoke break.
C-Shiro approaching.
Radiant vision from their own little high ground to the left.
Just see this.
They've got more vision to come as Axe-Emmel tosses Whisper back in.
BKB up for timber though.
Tanky fell and nearly burst planet down as King Jungles
At the other course, Hex disables on the brewmaster,
four-staff away with a wrecking of the roar,
damages good, the brew completely taken out of the game.
Whispers on top of Y now, with the Chakrams flying,
Jikiro's on the run, and Ty Lung nearly gets onto XM.
King Juggler's with disruption, finds this goal yet again.
A B-game even in Tiny allows him to get to high ground,
but Vici Gaming have already bled out.
Herald, they just seem like to have all the right tools.
Whispers, so tanky.
Yeah, you go on him, you isolate him,
but behind him, Mr. Shadow Demon.
Ready to help and try and save.
And ultimately this time, Brewmaster went in pretty aggressively, but didn't have the A on disc.
I wonder if it was a mistake to go for the refresher before the A on disc,
because yeah, your dream is to cast two ulties.
He didn't get to cast one, he just got disabled.
It's changed stunted to oblivion.
Infinite. Disables out of heroic.
Hex, shackles, roar, requiem, roar, a lot of it overlapping.
A combo breaker would feel nice there. Of course, again,
Like I said, the demonic purge would dispel the Aonisk, but Aonisk would still trigger, giving you the status resistance, giving you the ability to cast your ulti perhaps.
The Aonisk still has no BKB, right? He's relying on this blink into primal split.
Yeah, and that's if they use the ST ulti on him. ST kind of wanted to ulti the Wind Ranger as well, most fights.
But yeah, that's going to be shard very nice for Shadow Demon in this game, always good
to have against both the supports on the side of Radiance.
Autreancore for Whisper, stacking up a lot of these high value luxury items now.
And Planet saving up for the Hex, classic Phoenix fashion.
Maybe one of those game changes.
Something to turn this game on its head.
So far it's been very difficult for Shirou to actually latch onto a target and keep on
going.
In these teamfights, how many times have we seen Shirou actually do anything to impact
out of this Windranger?
Yeah, can we see the player damage done?
Like, hero damage done?
I would be curious to see the stat for that.
Shirou's is going to be pretty low, right?
Yeah, I just wonder what it's looking like right now.
It feels like Dire, you know, obviously have had an easier time in the fights, but I just
haven't seen the Windranger, yeah.
Nice 8.8 kills, it's not bad.
It's not terrible, Brewmaster is almost more significant, he's only at 6.5.
Timber also at 6.6, but that's all pure damage, which obviously makes it pretty dangerous damage.
I guess it's also comparative, right? Like these tanky heroes on Heroic, the Beastmaster and the Timber-Saw.
You're doing 8.8k damage to the guys who are so freaking tanky that damage doesn't mean as much.
Yeah.
Ultimately, there haven't been that many long fights.
This game has been very positional, 7 to 12 in kills, and the lead is significant for Heroic.
A few fights we've had have been pretty short and decisive.
Dancer's got himself an Orcid now, so even more potential here to get solo kills and just blow people up.
Now, Refresher ready, Aegis in hand.
He wants to go first, XM clearing the wave.
That's a blink Octorine Timber as well. He could quickly start diving people.
has to blink shadow demon behind of course we could come in and save people
initially just kill the tower small reset here to regroup and smoke as heroic
group to reposition scan the high ground they know people are up there and
whisper wants to give them a nice greeting a little roar from Beastmaster on
the left looks for shiro but be kidding he's up instead they go for the brew
with a second roar and back is dead with no buyback the windranger getting
Shredded by Whisper, two cores down and XM's in trouble, Yuma opens up on the damage, but he gets the blick away into base.
Still, Horomax has come in, raced towards these cores and taken him out.
Shieldroom blink keeps him alive at least, but yeah, the double roar coming in there aggressively, catching the Windranger, turning attention onto the Brewmaster, who again dies before he can get the ulti out.
Herro is just looking so dominant.
At the very least, there's a mid tier 2, there's a glyph, Vichy Gaming can delay this, very
likely going to lose a lane of barracks as Heroic has come for your buildings.
To be respectful of the tiny toss backs once some of these Vichy Gaming heroes respawn,
but for now it's pretty free for Tylong to take the tier 3.
It's so free that Whisper is off collecting Wisdom Rune and farming a little bit towards
his hex.
Heroic? Not going too stressed. They have cooldowns and a bunch of ulties. Or at least with the refreshers they have cooldowns.
So they're gonna wait.
The tower barely survives and then denied.
Might as well. Might as well deny it.
Gonna fall anyway. They get the double wisdom this time of course on Heroic, so that will put SF extremely close to level 25.
Only a thousand experience to go.
doesn't take long for SF to farm death and that level 25 is so impactful.
More of a utility builds than we usually see on SF though. No Silver Edge and Daedalus and
Satanic this time, instead of going for this refresher Lincoln Sphere. I think addressing the
Windranger in a very specific way, the uh, the Lincoln's helps a lot against her and Double
Opti is just dominating these fights. Because you often get bogged down in this like oh I'm
Don't do anything to my MKB, you gotta try and deal with this.
Just don't click her, just go with spells.
I mean, soon enough, Tylong is gonna be able to solo kill the Wind Ranger, no problem.
He just needs a Lincoln's break, but the Bloodthorn, Bloodthorn Refresher with Bubble Ulfie, he's just gonna go through it.
For all the tools.
Pitchy Gaming coming up top again, but Metbywhisper, one more time.
DKB Tim, but shreds through Y.
That's a gem. Drops.
Take the gem on the Timberg and pass it over to King Jungles.
A little present.
It was Yator's birthday yesterday after all.
Double gems.
There we go.
Slot both of those in.
Fucking hold all these gems.
I think you hold the gem by gouging out one of your eyes
and you replace it with a gem.
You've been playing Baldur's Gate, have you?
It's very yeah, it's it's it's very like all didn't wisdom, you know talk to the hag
Doesn't help from follow. I didn't think about that, but it yes, basically it gives you true sight as well. That is full. Yeah
All right, yeah, you're right very comfortable not in a rush to go and do anything knowing that they are scaling to oblivion
30k in that worth of lead over VG gaming
In this waiting period before Roshan comes back up, there's not much to do on the map.
You know why they're playing so safe on Herok right now?
Because the game they lost was on the back of Whisper blinking into the enemy base when
they were really far ahead and they were supposed to win.
They learned a lesson.
And they don't want to repeat.
They're like, guys, keep it to split.
They shouldn't want that game, right?
In their heads, that was a win that they threw away.
They're not going to have a repeat of it and they're very dominant right now.
It's on Vici to make something happen.
Respect to the Tiny Doss back, I think, is one of the biggest things.
Yeah.
It's on Vici, you're right, to make that move, to find the target, to have this bit of vision,
bit of info, smoke wraparound, whatever it is, to catch a glimpse of a key hero.
Also, we're getting to the point where, yeah, Brewmaster with Agonyms is very strong,
but even if you did get to cast Ulti, they can go through it.
There's a lot of damage from SF, there's a lot of damage from Timber, they can kind of just kill them.
Which is, you know, unfortunate part when you're investing fully into this ulti.
Also, I'm keeping track.
Ever since he bought the refresher, he hasn't cast a single ulti.
So, this refresher has really been pat- he could have used it from Ida's, Gareth!
He would have gone more done with it.
He could use it right now, two charges.
No money.
Meaning aside, of course, but yeah, I do think as he can queue up, he queues up the A on this.
I think they're a fresher backfired a lot on and it feels awkward without a BKB first to be perfectly honest
Just a on disc. Oh, yeah, what a defensive item, right? Yeah
Well, there was an entire method that was revolved around blink and disc brewmaster going first and initiating on people
It's very very hard to react to because it's almost impossible to stop him from casting ulti
Oh, this game, Heroic, have all the tools they need.
Yeah, by now they have so much, they have refresher hex on the Timbersaw.
More disable coming in.
All the cores have refresher on the side of Heroic.
We're shan up in about 15 seconds.
That's also a problem, like how do you fight into 6 BKB pops when your main damage through
through BKB is Windranger Focus Fire, which is 30 second cooldown and will only hit one
target. And even then, her damage through BKB, what, she has Mjolnir. There's no Daedalus
or anything like that.
So many things have to be perfect, right? Like egg placement has to be perfect. You can't
be within range or reach of these heroic heroes, because egg will just get clicked. You need
Tossbacks to defend the planet. Shiro needs to be on the supports in the back, but also
on the Shadow Fiend to try and get that kind of matchup.
Stars need to align is basically what we're saying here.
It just feels like they're trying to finish off this puzzle and the Jigsaw is missing a couple of pieces
One more piece for the Roach is coming in soon as the Beastmaster is just about finished level 25
They achieve a smoke
There's a bold move, but
Yeah, cuz they don't know if Roach has already been started first. They see timbersaw at the bottom, but that doesn't mean much
They can try and go behind heroic already responding to it
I long and feel the core on the staircases ready to hold on to this area as VG gaming
approach, smoke break, jump on Y, shatter shum, against toss back in but they've already
blown up Y and planet, both supports down and a roar on the windranger, catches Shiro
out, nothing VG gaming can do there, it might be lights out for them as Ty longs to chase
buck all the way back to his base. Yeah, they destroy this fight. I feel like financially
they just had too many items, man. Refresh blink? The buck is trying. Double Midas. Go
Midas and creeps. Oh, he's on the run, but here we come. Tyrone's on him with a bloodthorn,
Whisper and Yuma chasing forward. Brumaster down and out. Three heroes gone without buyback.
Two of them for the better part of a minute. Like you smoke around, you go for the strategic
positioning, you try and get up on the ramp, go behind them, be a bit sneaky, and then Heroic
just show up, open their wallet and just slap you with the confidence of it, basically saying,
look at all these refreshers we have, look at all this gold, you terrified us?
Ah, it's just like a D-Day moment for Viki Gaming, you know, trying to get up on the beaches,
but there's pillboxes, machine gun fire, they don't have enough.
Bing jungles and Shalith being in the roche pit, top lane XM, has to PKB, but Tylen and Wiskler
with a roar from Beastmaster. They've got the Tiny all locked in place,
chipping away at him, and the poor little pebble gets pounded.
Yeah, unfortunately for Vici it does look like their journey is drawing to an end here.
They have the Hex on Phoenix at least, they're respawning soon. Tiny's got the buyback.
They have a refresher shard on SF and he's confused about it. He's like,
But we already have refresher
But that means present time for the only course we can drop the double snakes
Yeah, that's not the walls going
Paint some names on the bits of wood the names of his enemies
Yes, exactly something would but that was one of the slacks lore pieces, right? That's why exactly I'm using one learning stuff from slags
I had no idea who that was learning useless
I am unsurprised
I like stories. I like lore. Whisper has taken down Y.
The hero just gets annihilated in that bottom right corner of the map. Has buyback.
And they're going to have to mount a defense to the mid lane because Yuma and Tylong, they're destroying this tier 3.
Yeah, the tier 3 is not worth their Rasta wards. He wants to drop them on the throne, I think. Or top, maybe.
That's the top Rax. It's going to be his to take. That's one of them.
They don't have to commit heroes to top. Serpent Wolves can do that job.
Still very cautious by Heroic, how they're pushing this.
A lot of respect given to Vici.
I mean, Yuma and Whisper realizing, hey, we're kind of unkillable here.
We've got two lives on the Shadow Fiend.
This Timber Soul's very strong, even with a Tossback.
I mean, even with a Blink in.
Whisper gets on top of the Phoenix, another Shock Room takes Planet out, didn't get the
Supernova down in time.
Oh boy, he does not have buyback, so a good pick by Whisper.
And Barker spent his Primal Split.
Refresher's still on cooldown for 20 seconds.
Might be able to come back with a second one, as Whisper makes another jump in, Cyclone dispelled,
Pebble thrown at him, but he's a shiny golden god.
I don't see anyone killing this Timbersaw right now.
48000 lead, monstrous for her eye, 44 minutes in.
Slow and steady as the push, Aegis still on the Shadowfiend, did she gaming, not giving
up.
Elimination on the line, this is game 3, best of 3, lower bracket, they can't tap out.
They'll bite back everywhere they can.
A constant barrage of axes are clearing up the trees and scouting.
Now where to hide? And no toss back from XM.
Yuma, Lincoln's pot.
Save from King Jungles comes in to make sure there's no go, but XM
he's gone in, tossed the Shadowfiend back into tier three.
Yuma's first life is down, but now with Whisper and Tyllung
coming in to kill off Y, they can jump forward and help them out with a roar on
Phoenix, planets in trouble about to die, refresh up, Tylong can't finish the Phoenix,
a roar on the Windranger now, but the souvenir becomes, BKB Beastmaster on the run back,
Atlas Cross about to deal with him, a humorous requiem with a BKB to wind up and offer protection
of healing up and Beastmaster's okay. Whisper keeps tabs on Shiro that damage is insurmountable,
the Windranger's being blasted by fire and flames, Windranger's gone and Shaddapeeth
taking out XM. Tylong in the back, still alive? How's he surviving? Another Lotus comes in,
He's kept up and running! Heroic! They've done it! Vici tap out and they'll drop out of the lower bracket!
Gigi's come out. Vici, they showed some good performance earlier in the series here, but in this final game it was dominant all the way for Heroic.
Very, very strong performance, but... and very disciplined!
Yeah, very strong. This game three, definitely...
it removed any doubt about which one of these two teams should move forward and
continue their tournament runs. Fiji Gaming unfortunately falls here but
the heroic was just in the driver's seat gunner the entire way through. Yeah I
think they kind of all three games in the second game they like fall turnip it
but here they showed all right guys we know we did wrong we know we make
mistakes in the high ground and they made virtually no mistakes there was like
maybe like one or two small ones but they were very like a tiny like misclick
here a little too deep there but it wasn't anything major and I think
heroic is looking good yeah this is the type of game where it's like an identity
shift to some degree because like everyone watching is like you want to see a
aggression you'll see a hero going for kills but they were just disciplined
they understood the fact that if all three cores are farming you can already
hear their three cores have just got to the top position now
throughout this clip and then just continue that just farm
wait for your items, don't allow for Winter Engine to get a cheap kill on anyone, don't
allow for the Pickles of the Tiny, the Tiny the Brew they felt lost on the map, and yeah,
Heroic, they just troked them out. It was a very, very discipline game, something that
we were looking for for a Heroic throughout this series, like the game 2, the high ground,
lack of discipline, game 3, an abundance of it.
Yeah, it was a thing we said that they were lacking, and in decking 2 to be fair also
was heavily Heroic-favoured until that moment and-
one little thing yeah but it's okay and it worked yeah you know I am happy to
see heroic being able to show different styles like even if you were still
running at the wisdoms and the solo essence and dying like that's just to
his name but like the the rest of the game the like the Beastmaster on Thailand
like whisper taking the first stacks then Beastmaster taking the latest stacks
like it's just they know what their timings are for this lineup and we
We haven't really spoken about Sionicor Shaman, but game after game after game, he gets it,
and he knows what he's doing on the hero, so it's another hero that you have to think
about when you're all playing against Heroic.
All of their cores, right?
Like 8, 1, 8, 4, and 0, 12, and 1.
It's really hard to kind of pick an MVP for me, it's Whisper, I think he...
Well, then you said it quite quickly to me, sir.
If I had to.
I think the amount of impact he had on Timbersaw was pretty cool to watch.
He did so much damage in these late game teamfights.
It felt like Shadowfiend was just a normal hero because everything was being done by this guy.
Yeah, no, he's just no complaints.
I'm just looking at his third game and like, fair play.
Hats off to you.
There's really not much to say.
We just watched Vici Gaming just go,
you're farming, we're doing nothing.
I guess you're going to eventually win this game, guys.
I wanted to see more from Vici Gaming.
I wanted to see them try and make moves on the map, but your tiny mid and the beast just kind of felt lost.
I don't really like the tiny mid. Every game it looks a bit like it doesn't farm fast like the other mids.
Sometimes if you kind of mess up your scaling, it looks like one of those mids that when the really, really good teams pick it,
and they still be like, oh, it looks so good. Like when Misha's playing, they're a BZM, and then every other team kind of picks them like,
we made a slight mistake and now we're behind.
And even when BZM plays it, he also has a castle backing him up.
something to feel like the timing like meshing yeah it's yeah just miss I don't
think misdraft but yeah but on the flip side you can talk about
tylong beastmaster teagov oh yeah here we go beastmaster on the
mid name from tylong hopefully the lads are standing next to the TVs and waiting
for the interview to be done because if you're standing there please give this
guy beastmaster more of course this game was very slow methodical fun we can
It's the explosive nature of the tight long Beastmaster, but it took a month for her to give him the hero and I'm hoping that it's maybe going to be a day
Again a month. You're gonna wait. Okay, great. No, no, because if again if you do too much
Yeah, you got people are gonna get used to it
Yeah, you sprinkle it in there sprinkle in there so that it doesn't get near before to you
Oh, it could be a day or two when they play up against potentially
another team. What kind of team are they? It's a team that has a player on it that is very big for
storylines. Maybe Beastmaster against that team could be kind of cool. Yatoro? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, you can't spell Parker about Yatoro. Yeah, that's why I heard. Yeah. Was Parker on
Tourist tier list? No, no, he was not there. Just checking. Okay, well, we are going to hear some
words from of course the winning team here, Heroic. So let's head over to Slacks.
You said you head over to shit? What the hell's wrong with you, Shira? I respect you a lot. But
anyway, here we are with CAFs in Thailand. What a great opportunity. Thank you, CAFs, for coming in.
How long you feel pretty good, man? Good series!
After you, Cavs.
Yeah, like, yet it was a great series, they got us in the second game, but it was more us throwing than anything else.
And outside of that, it's just very good.
They say they got us.
I'm not trying to be this guy, but we saw two beastmasters,
a whisper beastmaster and a tie-long beastmaster,
and one seemed better than the other.
Why did you not grief...
You dove high ground and did not die and grief the game.
What's the difference between you two?
Did you see that?
I mean, there were two vismasters,
one for Riz and one for Tyloom,
but for some reason one was better than the other.
Why didn't you just make a troll?
I was patient, I played the game,
while the other one made a Trolls in Hygrond.
I think that's something that happens.
I think there was a call there before,
I mean, in the Ferron up there,
we made a call that, because we didn't have BKB,
we entered and we killed,
but when we went mid, we already had BKB
We said that Cali didn't come in, I think he came in with Whisper and we did the big one.
And I think that's it.
I think I'm the best beatmaster but he's the second best, isn't he?
He's the best, if he's the best Beastmaster, but Whisper is the second close.
Okay, good to know.
Alright, before you went into the last tournament, I read an interview that said that you needed
to work on your hero picks, pick new stuff, and you needed to not be nervous about land.
It seems like you've got these new hero picks down.
Do you feel any nerves having this be your second big event?
When we went to our first big event, the analysts, I suppose, said that what you needed was not to have nerves in the LAN and to have a little more of them.
And it seemed like a second tournament, you came without fear and you came with more nerves. How do you feel about that?
I think the first tournament was LAN, I had nerves against Jandex, but I think it was also part of the Nigma pick.
I felt pressure, but when I'm a commissar I don't feel comfortable. I'm fine, but with the Nigma it was a new pick.
When I put in the Black Hole I felt very nervous, I think that's why. Everything depended on my Black Hole, and I play today.
I really felt nervous against the Andex, it's true.
But it's a lot on the enigma peak as well.
Because when I'm playing my two comfort heroes,
I feel way comfortable and I don't feel pressure.
And when I was playing enigma, when I was like,
I had to get a good black hole, I felt nervous.
Yeah, heard.
All right, last question for you.
There's a lot of fans out there growing for you.
You know, you're the next generation
of great Dota players.
Anything to say to them, and any advice to people watching
for how they can become a young, hot pro player like yourself?
If you have any advice for young people,
outside, to become a soccer player,
like a hot player?
Hot!
Like having success, right?
Like, hot and common.
I don't know the exact translation, but...
A lot of hot!
To have success, right?
I mean, to have a good career.
I mean, I think that before I joined Roy, I wasn't going very well.
I think that when I joined Roy, I only gave my 100%, because I was very motivated.
I think that the recommendation I would give is simply to play and wait for the opportunity.
There is always being ready. I mean, always having good gameplay, good attitude and all that.
Before joining Heroics, it wasn't going too well for me, but what you have to do is to
just keep playing and always be ready and in shape that the right opportunity will come.
Alright, thank you.
A professional handshake for our first interview today.
Thank you, sir.
Incredible job.
We hope to see you again.
Thank you, CAFs, as well.
If you can get in here.
Thank you so much.
Alright, we'll see these boys for their next series.
Oh well I think it's good, that was the first interview with Tylong there and I think it
will be the first of many more because I don't think he seemed too daunted by having an
interview with Slack.
There was a step or two back.
Every step or two.
Every question.
Every question is like this Slack character is a little, why does he keep screaming caliente
my ear.
I know it was good to hear from him and I mean he had knowledge that he's the best Beastmaster
who is for close seconds you know but I'm sure that we're going to see him more on that
hero but not for today because today Heroic can rest easy to continue their tournaments
lives tomorrow, whereas Viki Gaming will have to pack their bags. They are done and they end here
at top age. We are going to have another series coming your way, Elimination on the Line. So,
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You're still watching Fiji Avalachia Season 7 where we now also have seven teams left.
And after the upcoming series that will be down to six because Aurora and Thunder will have one best of three to decide which team will continue.
And I know there's a lot of people that would really love Thunder to move forward so there will still be a chance moving forward that it will be Parker for Zero.
but again way way ahead of ourselves because I want to focus my attention on Aurora first because this team also with standard magic has been putting up quite a show gunner.
Yeah, they just always know how to play with standards. I don't really know what to say. It's also not even the same role. It's like sometimes it's the mid, sometimes it's the carry.
I would say is consistent. It's just like these cores, but you would think that the
cores are the hard ones to slot in. I mean, just the fact that since January
overall, I've been basically dominating playing with standards. They played with V2 for one
cent. They've obviously played with Loranoff as well from the mid lane. And then you saw
from the stats there, like they've pretty much dominated the qualifiers that they've
played in with standards. They dominated the tier two events online that they played. Tier
one show, then you start getting some losses into the mix, right? But again, you're not
expected them to be flawless with stand-ins.
They still came second at Dream League.
Exactly, they came second at Dream League.
What team is even flawless, right?
Like the fact that you're holding your ground,
you're getting this top six, top four stand-ins,
just consistently.
It's just mental, like just to think,
like that's where you have to give praise
to like just the foundation of a team, right?
Like when you're changing out core players,
the support duo, the off-laner, the coach,
they really need to truly understand
what a team wants to do,
because like they are one of the best teams at the moment
utilizing stand-ins.
Yeah, I will say though that this is the first series that we have here in the playoffs.
It is a rematch of a series that already happened in the group stage.
And, you know, we talked about Dream League,
or we're coming second, guess who came first?
It's thunder coming first.
So there is a lot of knowledge between these two teams
that I think is going to be playing a part in this best of three series,
both within this tournament and, of course, before that with the best of five as well.
So that will create an extra layer.
Yeah, I mean the entire tournament to Tundra so far has been about like
Calibrating right when you have part coming into the mix like what do you need to do?
What type of heroes are you picking him?
How are you itemizing together and the entire playoffs also the group stage journey was that they went all the way to the fifth series
To understand that yesterday was probably the weirdest best of three. I think I've seen at Valahia
It was like game one insane stomp mepo and then game two and three. So what the hell just okay?
So everything around tundra is this kind of calibration and when you look at the drafts
I wanted to kind of praise tundra on the slight elements that I really liked
But then eventually it fell flat right the meepo pick after you see the ember you see the morana meepo it like it breaks liquid
They're panicking with a bristle pick then you go to the next game
The gyrocopter want to park his best heroes, but they picked a tide hunter
They kept an open pick tied on to enabling the monkey counter pick
So it's like if they didn't expose 33 that game also would look good and BZM Huskar
Like he's only got five heroes competitively played or something on the hero
It's not his thing and then we saw the bristle back
So it's like game one draw from tundra was really good game two game three
Be sorry the park of bristle like 37% competitive win rate the BZM Huskar
That's not really his hero 33 playing tidehunter allowing it to be counted
I think they just kind of walked down a very bad path and gave liquid
too free of an access to something them.
Yeah, I think that when you're talking about calibrating with the stand-in, Aurora is just a step ahead.
Even though, in theory, they've got two stand-ins based on that previous event they played,
they just seem more adapted to already work with the stand-in,
and therefore having that extra focus on, obviously, WS on the off-lane,
but the support duo with Mira and Corey as well.
So they they probably get more strength from that. I mean this is one of the few times where the stats actually will show exactly
What's gonna happen look at the averages is so guys 38 minutes probably is gonna be the length of the game done
So when it gets to 3 also this shortest game duration, let's probably guess each other
Yeah, so it's like it'll be it's one game. That's 20 minutes one game 57 minutes. Yeah, one year in the middle
Yeah, exactly. So we can already know the script. Yeah, it's just you know, which one first
We have the short one for the long one.
The short one is normally the second one, right?
Oh, you don't think Tundra is going to get some, like, Parker TA game one?
No.
Aurora is like, we can beat it and there's Parker.
There's no way they get the Parker TA game one.
Not after yesterday.
Saying that though, I feel like at least for Tundra, there is a clear hero pool of
Parker that is, like, on another level to the other ones, right?
Sure.
Like, the TA, the Mipo are the ones that right now, I'm like, I'm scared to see for an
opponent team then you step down and like I think also is in like the 80 and then below that is
Kind of a more of a mix like the heroes don't have the same kind of gripping value
But again, it's not really about him as of yet because like yesterday BGM
He didn't really perform too well right on some of his mid heroes like it's
It's a it's a weirder time for thunder at least from how they got to the lower bracket
I think the other interesting thing is
About the team slightly is Aurora's a team in this tournament has a relatively low hero pool
Yeah, they're like kind of stick to what works with them. I think it's 32 heroes even tundra the 37 which doesn't seem like
That much of a difference
But I think every like 5-10 heroes means so much in terms of just like
Repetition and skill I remember something March used to tell me back when I played with him was every player needs to be able to play five
Heroes and you can win a tournament like that's all that matters
You don't need these like massive hero pools as long as you're really good at whatever's in the meta
You can win and I think Aurora's kind of fear of that secret especially with the standings, right?
Like you have your other four players they stick to what works for them and then that gives you a stand in the ability to like
Pick his maybe he has to pick a little extra heroes
But like the rest of you guys just do the same thing so it's easy for you to replicate the success
But they're also picking stand and who who want to play the same heroes as like the actual roster
Yeah, like Laura lost to Makoto
You could argue there is overlap V2 in the way that he's playing like a bad and the TA
Lifesteal at nightfall also wants to play them actually does that for play
that one might be a question mark but the other heroes like the deuces the
lunas the Abba the lifestyle like he's still playing nightful heroes so if you
haven't like bring a whole new identity in that's where like when you compare
the two teams and the standings like tundra they've got a big character
coming in and you've got to rework it for a war it's just like copy paste a roar
like just keep doing your thing yeah we are in it we'll see what their thing
will be for this series a raw first pick tundra radiant second pick
there for overall last we'll see which one they save for last.
Good riddance to the TA. 15 and 3. What a start line for a hero.
Especially for the fact that it's starting at like first fix.
Yep. Like the value just goes up. The first couple of days it's like oh I got picked here one.
Oh it's like oh cool another two. And then you're like yeah yeah.
Oh it's 11 and 0. Something's wrong here.
Yeah with the supports that we're seeing the shamans, the shattered demons,
Jakiro's wallets, all these heroes TA does delete. So happy to see that TA is now getting respected and as I heard from the muttering of Gunner, Shadadimun is available, Trient is available.
Bat is available.
Yep, Shadow of Shaman.
Shadadimun is available.
Well, again, Shadadimun feels like the one that you would want to take of all of them.
It's kind of good for all of them.
Yeah, exactly. You take away the tree spells, you take away the bat spells, like Shadadimun doesn't put you in Norka position.
If they took the tree, the bat, and then they get responded, which I didn't even, you would always be leaning towards, oh, what a weird draft, so, yeah, Aurora, gonna be pretty happy with this.
I think Tundra might still just take the bat rider here.
Yeah, I agree. Like, the way that's done if you play as a bat rider, it's just, okay, they go for Charmin, but to close the point on the bat rider, it's like, he doesn't really care, he will just farm.
He'll buy his boots of bearing plus one more aura and it's like congrats you tried countering me
But you're not really countering what this is the fight like if you find the shot the shadow demon he dies too. Yeah
Yeah, they take the the shadow shaman and a hero that was very important in the last series
We can say nothing but praise for the hero can do
I would love to know if teams
Will look at how heroic played the last series and think about Roshan earlier
Of course, it wasn't the shaman bite himself doing Roshan, but it was like a
a core, plus a shaman, plus one more, taking it pre-15, and I don't know, I don't think
many teams talk about this, until at least Heroic just did it.
Yeah, I also think, I mean we talk about Shadow Demon because he's such a strong hero, but
with all these strong heroes, Shadow Shaman is actually the most picked hero because
he's not gonna get banned, but maybe at some point, especially with that one, right, should
be considered.
Closely followed by the Jekiro there of course.
So there's the same reason because there's just too many other heroes that you gotta ban out.
What a beautiful time that I'm living that the most picked are all just big laning supports, right?
It's most patches you always talk about, oh this core does this, this core does that,
but right now it really is like the support tournaments.
Yeah, who knows maybe it was just all started by Kour winning the previous Wallachia and his warlock and everybody's like
Hmm wait a second and it's just snowballed out of control
And the Phoenix the Phoenix is still in the warlock is still in
They can pick
There's no worse feeling than your hero pool becoming the hero pool. Yeah, maybe that's that's that is such a
I mean, of course Falcon spoke about it. Yeah, Skeeter, right? Yeah, Razor, but he wants to hear that their best out to be like
A or tier B, because then you get to show why you're here.
They're the only ones picking it and doing good with it.
Yeah, Bant will be banned.
So still two of the big four removed in the second phase.
So it's up to Tundra, they got one ban.
We have two supports picked up, so not a lot of information.
So their ban has to be probably pre-emptive,
defending something they're planning on picking in this draft.
They could just pick the centaur.
It's good for Shatterdemon. The Mars has been banned. A lot of the Alphaners are banned, so they're just taking like a solid one.
And the lane with Shattershot is really good.
You can just ban out Ersa just in case as well.
Yeah, the T is also banned. Good response to the Centaur. It's like a lot of kind of setup.
Yeah, ban Ersa, pick Centaur.
That's a simple one. You scale the cart as well, just scales well into the Shatterdemon. Like everything about the hero is good for Shatterdemon.
Also, so they're going for Warlock for now, but still on the carry Warlock.
Yeah, while the K-Ori can have his Phoenix, he's gonna be Phoenix.
And it's a very, very good Ursa ban.
You're gonna have to show two cores here for Tundra in this phase.
So far, 24 pick has been utilized more by Parker than other people on the team.
So if you're gonna pick Beezian plus 33 here,
you're naturally gonna be wanting through Tide, Centaur,
any blob of Flamethrower if he's gonna want to take it.
So the answer is like it enables us to start a draft
I will I mean I know WS is a solid brood and don't take me wrong but definitely a bike
I feel like the bruise the pink
Bruise been ruining my eyes. I agree. I thought the current brew. It's really really good for like there's a five-minute
Like poke it. I explain your level 12 and your eggs and you're a level 18 hero
That's like the reason the hero is good because basically when you split the only thing that matters is the level of your old
Right and since the Ag's upgrade your old you become a level 18 hero at the old top, which is like pretty cool. I think
But the issues is like you ran me get stunned by a shower from when you die or maybe there's some heroes that are good
Rest of the bears. I don't know. It's also in drafting
You know you've presented tundra the the offline combinations. So now Parker can actually take his carry here
They're not having to hide it any longer. They're not trying to give it. So there's gyros
There's Sven there's like heroes that can just kill the
The brew quite easily. I mean, it's such a clean gyro game. It's also the warlock 5. Yeah
Yeah, you just like that's like one of the best pretty much when there's a gyro right now. It's flak
or it's
For more like line, sorry, it's gyro and like that's like the best warlock line to be honest
Yeah, but or I guess you could have like tusk gyro is also fine
Yeah, like the tag team
Tusk Gyros for kill and Warlock Gyros for free XP pretty much, like constantly playing on small, they do take the BZM Invoker.
Are we, because of Kiskori is obviously not playing as Phoenix, he will play as Jukiro, which is the third of his heroes.
If you will, are you happy with that over Phoenix? On hindsight, obviously.
Any any little bit of lockdown especially if like if you if they knew they're picking brew having Phoenix brew and SD
There's like such limited stuns that I think to carry kind of want that. Yeah bit more landing presence bit more
Insurance and some of these fights. I think ice path is a really good combo with the shout even like you press the disruption
You follow up the ice path you always have these like really nice combos and even for like the warlock
Golem like you see a goal in being placed you just ice path help your team kind of kite out the
I suppose like Phoenix where it's kind of a bit more committal.
I will say the Sun Strike is also nicely set up with the Shadow Demon.
It used to be saving.
And that's a Luna.
So Luna has been picked so far, but not very often.
The reason why I'm really happy to see this hero is because one, the facet of Moon Shield,
your tankiness, it is amazing.
The fact that we haven't seen it across other players is really upsetting me personally.
But the way Parker plays, he wants to push the limits at being annoying, right?
Like Mipo, you have your Mega Mipo with us, so you're playing on Enraged.
Like everything he wants to do, even TA with Refraction, that's exactly what Lunar can do.
It fits the same category of the heroes that he's excelled at with Pundra.
Pushing the limits, being tanky, and just buying time to let other people shine.
If he itemizes to do this, he will be soaking the initiation, giving Shaman and Invoker the perfect entry for a Cataclysm, because I'm assuming BGM is going to go for Egglock Fasset, but I'm hoping he just takes that Fasset, because that's how I see Lunar thriving.
It's also undispellable by the way, you cannot get rid of it.
There's some cool things where if you play first brew and like you try to commit on him
Even if he gets a split off and you have the glaives you just like kill all the pandas pretty much like instantly when they spawn
It's a bit scary because there's a shatter demon which is historically one of the better
Matchups first Luna like you take illusions of her which are very good. Even in the late game you can break her
It doesn't like it counted by the moon stone because when you're throwing out your glaives
You press it straight away after the disruption you then like the illusions are dead. Yeah
Yes, no, as long as you know by butterfly. Yeah, it's like optimization Luna has to go different
She can't just go man to butterfly one a just get hit the base, right? She's gonna have to play away from buffing up her own illusions
That was the main reason why I was thinking of the gyro. It's like I thought the magic damage kind of team fight carry work was good here
It's just that gyros not countered by illusions
So like the shaman doesn't matter as much where it's the kind of this but yeah, like we're saying it doesn't
There's ways to play around it. It's it's not the old-school one where
People would still like Butterfly and Scotty and stuff like that, and then there's nothing
they do, they just get to Trump and he's like, oh, I guess we lost guys.
Now people are better, items are better, the game's changed a bit, it's not as bad.
Two heroes for Aurora to think about, Banzarov, Titanthor and Doom, they're the two heroes
that to me, Tundra, will gravitate towards.
Titanthor will set up for Invoker Compos down the line, it is that front line to buy time
items come in line and then do obviously void brew
It's you know, it's well as I say it depends on which
Carry Aurora picks is what tundra was going on. Mm-hmm. We can win Ranger wind is I
Mean when generally looks pretty good to me. I think in theory. It should be good for Luna because Luna is
One of those type of carries that's bad at 1v1 single target damage, and you can't read by butterfly because of the yeah
Yeah, we just explained why bush fly. So it's kind of like one of those things where now you on a luna when you see the rest of the
Drafts really oh, maybe I could make a more the eggs some more like magic damage bit
But you don't do that
Into the wind because then you're so squishy to the old and then now it's a kind of the wind. They're gonna take the tide
It's
It's actually a hard draft. I don't know which one I prefer. I'm leaning tundra's
Because I've seen them in this position before but if the game is slightly difficult the wave clear they have
White was going to throw Gotham on a creep wave just to shove it out.
They're going to always buy time if they're on damage problems because Parker can't go for butterfly.
33 might have a sheevers to amplify the agonims on Luna or an agonim for the gush to help with the right clicking.
I think Tundra's lineup is just very well rounded and it has the elements of success that they've had
throughout their turbulent group stage playoffs. This is like the recipe for them winning.
I'm just not a huge brewmaster fan for Aurora. I think the heroes
We might be getting to the stage in tournaments like heroes are just weak
So it's like or the good ones are getting banned as you have to like reach into the pool and be like, alright
What what can we pick that fills the role in the draft we need?
Mm-hmm, but when I picked brewmaster there were still
Centaur timber tied all the ones that we saw banned and picked me
This is where Aurora, they need to utilise Makoto, playing a voice pair, play on the runes,
get him an active rune, steal a wisdom, then you go through the brew masters and early
splits.
A lot of Aurora's game is Makoto and WS syncing up together with the supports behind and hoping
that VTune can build a slight network of lead to then follow up.
But I feel like Aurora, they have to play a lot better to win this game.
Tundra can make mistakes and they have the entrances to still be able to win it out.
Do we think that voice pair vs. Invoker is going to be an interesting matchup in the mid lane or is it going to be fairly even?
As bad as it used to be. It used to be really really bad and now it's maybe like a 45-55 for Void.
Especially with random support ganks like the Shaman might come take the water rune he denies the other.
I think the lane should be... BZM has probably played this a hundred times.
Yeah, I mean, what else do I say? My god, BZM is going to be chilling.
Yeah, I'm just leaning thunder. I just thought everything about it. Just if you if you take away the names and go what draft just feels nicer to play in
Elimination low bracket style game. That's the game like win ranger never wants to play in a game where it's like if my BKB expires
Can I do damage and this game is it's all about that?
Like if you use your BKB incorrectly if you don't have the damage items and you incorrectly focus fire
You are just disappearing from the fight, right?
You're just waiting for your next charge to come through. So V2 really needs to be like on the ball with his fights
Yeah, if the shadowing gets enough farm though, like this game doesn't go into 40 minutes 50 minutes
Maybe faster been in this build and he gets an axe. I think it's so good
You can break the tide just kill me to break the Luna just kill it
There's so many different options you can do for Aurora to scale
Yeah, and then that shattered even first pick will definitely pay off
We're gonna find out how this game is gonna play itself out. But first some words from coach KP
Absolutely. We are here with Coach KP. KP, Brewmaster is an interesting hero right now.
It's getting picked a lot more, but the win rate seems to be going down. Is there a particular
reason why teams keep picking, even though it seems a little dangerous, if you will?
I mean, he's my favorite hero, so I just pick it. I just make my offline play. I love the
hero. Ah, but anyways, I think...
100% arrogance, 100% bias? Is that what you're telling me?
In all seriousness, I think this hero has no counters, in my opinion. Kind of good,
just blind here I think. There's always a purpose in the game. Ling is like decent, you know,
it's overall solid here I think.
Alright, that's a lot of positives. Let's talk about a dog hero. Windranger, you're an elimination
game. It's all on the line. Last pick Windranger. Walk me through that one.
I mean, it's just in memory of Knifel, you know, it's like his favorite hero. Shout out
to Knifel, we picked this for you. Hopefully, Vichyne can live up to the hype.
Absolutely incredible. These are potentially the least informative interview we have done yet here. You're not giving me anything. I love it.
That is a coach's job. A lot of people get it wrong. Alright, last question for you. For real, okay?
We asked you this before. What's the best case scenario for your team? The panel thought your draft was a little weak. They thought you had a lot to do.
What do you want to happen? What did you tell your boys before the game started?
Alright guys, mid is going to be like a 7-3 matchup. Void is great for us. We're going to be easy to play through mid.
I mean, his voiceman's gonna be 6, so he's gonna keep constant pressure on BGM.
He already did it before Tylong, his voiceman did the same thing.
Actually, no, it was a beast, but anyway, same thing, doesn't matter.
Rui is gonna get 6, we're gonna play through bot.
You know, top, Tide vs Winner, I think Winner and you still have the side edge.
We can play through top as well.
Mini options, relays, take your pick, snowball the game, use the game.
Alright, easy game, let's get right into it, as we see game 1.
Well, if Dota Coaching doesn't work out and Fugit KP's got a backup gig as a wrapper,
drop in the bars there with all the level sixes and heroes they can play through, a lot of confidence there in Makoto and WS.
He really went from giving absolutely nothing to Slacks to suddenly just overloading him with so much information that I don't think Slacks even realizes what he just heard.
Yeah, yeah, started zoning out, ears peeked up like, hang on a second, there's information being spammed down here.
That's where you tune up.
Yeah, tune back in, tune back in.
Yeah, talking about that brew being his favorite hero, being kind of uncountable, giving space in the draft for them to pick up some of the stronger heroes.
Yeah, I think overall I am with the panel as well though. I feel like Tundra strapped. It just looks so nice to play
I think it doesn't necessarily have a weak spot. It's very strong lanes has late game covered by Luna being very very strong
I would prefer Luna as a carry over Windranger even as a Lackertie to buffer up
And on top of that they have this massive team fight and tower push. I don't know
I mean it basically has the only real weak spot you could argue is that it's not that insane at Roshin
But even there you have the rust awards and it feels like you know
They're not gonna lack in a lane stage either right sometimes you look at these kind of mid to late game timing drafts with
Lack of tempo, but we've got plenty here. Thanks to heroes like shadow sharpen and warlock that really short things up
Definitely fighting with time to strap a bit more and I hope you enjoy
With the tide hunter being able to unlock that cataclysm later on definitely capabilities there for tons of
Yeah, and I've been calling for this Luna a lot when we've been sitting here
Just you know before the panel throws to us a lot of times
It just looks like Luna would be such a nice carry in different preps happy to see them go for it here
Over on the side of radians, but yeah dire
They definitely have some S tier stuff going as well really like the the shadow demon and a Cairo such a strong support duo
Spectacular start from Mira double courier snipe Parker's boots taken out
In the meantime, and gets the wave drag all the way back behind tier 2 it looks like because he is taking a lot of damage from that shadow word
Not Sunstrike. You got the courier
Didn't kill it so unfortunately imagine if you could curse knife would Sunstrike that would be silly dead
Oh another shadow word on him. Oh stick around there to hold hang wave
I think you just accept his fate. I think maybe with tango and the tower region perhaps you could live through white one says
Thank you very much. Now you can gather up some of these creeps
It's nice as well
Get the banner creep before oh, no
no banner
Well, I mean he got the kill all right. He got the what matters Warlock's job is done here. He's yeah run away
That is a boots on shadow demon right blood grenade
So he's gonna hold disruption to make sure oh we just TP now I
Think he has to
As I was saying I'm thinking
Can we just not hold disruption to stop TP?
Mera says now, let's cut this short, don't want to keep chasing you down, get back to doing my job.
Yeah, I think you could, maybe I just ran next to him for a long time, but at least this forced the TP, that's 100 gold gone,
and now if you kill him, he's not gonna have the TP, so it's not terrible either.
I think he wants to get back to the lane, because Luna against RooMaster is pretty happily just farming away.
I wonder what the WW at the end of each of his name is.
Wind Wanger?
Kind of.
He's on the hero, props to Nightfall from KP the coach, saying that it's a big fan of Wind Waker, you know, favorite item.
Hero that could have difficulty in this game, gotta keep that net worth up.
He's trying to harass the tide as much as he can, but tide is keeping tranquil boots disassembled.
Right now, I'm gonna assemble them when he gets a chance to regen a little bit.
So he's going to be quite fine I think. So far 27-4, both of these heroes trained
quite nicely. We're looking at that mid lane where KP was talking about this what 70-30
matchup he said. Wuz for it is starting to manhandle the Invoker. 29-13 against the
17-6, but a kind of expected lane here for BZM to just throw some strikes into the side
lanes and get what he can through that. That's fun to hear how KP and Gunnar have
different takes on it. I also was leaning Gunners way that I think it's pretty close matchup
for the lane itself. Like obviously I would favor the Void Spirit a little bit. His last
hits are just that strong. But 70-30 is pretty aggressive claim. That's like a pretty damn
hard counter. And so far, looking at the CS, this is looking really good. 32 and 13 versus
21 and 6 is a significant advantage. She's can get level 6 way ahead and Kori even thinking
about making a move. Yeah, and maybe also factoring in that period where Void Spirit will have
his own. It's arriving and delivered now, where BZM the invoker doesn't really make
moves, he wants to come in and react. The double TP from Tundra here to deal with Kara's
rotation, can't quite get in line for a stun from Ari. They will shackle up the Void Spirit,
but he wasn't tagged up by the faithful pawns, so he'll be fine here.
Some quick double TP's towards mid, 200 gold spent. Corey, your job here is done even though
he didn't get to set up and kill on Invoker, forcing both the supports to come over early
is pretty nice. He can still make their way with Shadow Demon as well.
I guess it's the whole like do well in lane, outlast hit the Invoker, get this Tempo, faster
level 6, fast earn, play into side lanes, and then KP was also talking about playing through
the bruise level 6 as well, so you can have those building blocks of Tempo to get you off
of the ground quickly. As Mikoto grabs the Inda's Rune, a little sidebop to wipe on here
would be nice if they keep the poison stacked up, they put the damage through the Astros
step to finish him off while top laner Kiro's gonna get away from that initiation out of Tundra.
And Invoker's still gonna stay and happily farm away here even though his support gave his life.
He's gonna be alright.
But earn charges have started for Mikodo. Always nice to get those ticking so that you have
kill potential on people. And Mira keeps ticking around mid as well so they've got that pure setup.
We saw up and see Void's break over the ULs so we can get UL's Aether Remnant.
I guess he just goes for it here. I thought they would wait for Mira to disrupt into Remnant,
but Makoto pokes at the invoker first. Mira comes in with a disruption a little late.
I think BCM is pretty happy with the sequence.
Yeah, BCM has the raindrop as well to protect him.
Really important if you're relating as Void's spirit, make sure to get those raindrops.
It helps you a lot against the jump.
It's already pushing mid tier one.
Casual way protected by double supports
Really playing aggressively through Makoto mid and his white mon drops to about half health
But Ari's rotation a hex onto the void spirit
Don't have an awful lot of damage and they're able to cancel Ari's hold there with an ice path
Early ice path wastes the meteor
Looks like everybody should be able to disengage from this. Maybe not BGM though for NATO delays Makoto
But with another remnant back shadow word required to heal PzM up with a wander the raindrops, but he can't get a fairy fire off and dies
Extended fight where everyone's throwing spells of each other ends up with invoker falling. Yeah a lot of staring at each other on mid lane 33
Very low, but he does get away
He's gonna be fine. He did commit for the face boost though. So it cannot region up again gonna have to go all the way base
I think
So we have some serious stacks being made by Mira already and Ari
Yeah, both sides.
Honestly, both sides way ahead of what you would expect in stack creation.
Cool stuff. TP out, cancel. Warlock coming down here as he was pressured back by WS.
Makoto is going to let the brew get the kill.
So level 7 brew now with Ulti ready.
If Ordea had Aurora, get into that mid lane and allow Makoto to flourish.
He'll now step back to finish off these stacks while Brew and Takuro could maybe kick Luna out of lane.
Yeah, he's going to get a bit of help from Mera as well, because Void Spirit does not clear the stacks that easily.
On the other side, we see a Tidehunter who's obviously in need of no help against any stacks.
Love us through it all.
So Meteorham build is coming out from BZM. We've seen this on Invoker quite a bit lately.
As Midas became a bit worse on him, not giving any experience.
We see a sort of a swap towards Meteorhammer as a more active choice.
It's tickle the boxes, push tower, clear camps, give you mana regen, can you spell up?
Spell up in particular important when you have Rasta on your team and you have those
big sun strikes coming in.
Will damage amped up.
Bottom tower is falling to no defences, Shakira is just burning the tower.
Tarko has fully evacuated, still sitting pretty with about 39% worth along with a tide, very
even between the cores apart from BGM who of course did suffer against the void spirit.
Where's the front is there?
Luna got enough farm before she gets shoved into jungle that this is not really gonna slow down
her tempo that much. Ideally you hold on to your safe lane tower so it is a win for Aurora but
for parking in particular it's like a really hurt him.
Such an efficient item build from 33 as you'd expect obviously.
Going for the tranquil boots, disassemble business, then into the pipe and the phase boots.
It's not wasting anything.
Of course, Wind Lace is just such a good, generic item to have, you can keep that and be happy.
That's true. Yeah, the Wind Lace is never out of place. As long as it can fit in an inventory, it's good.
Yeah.
It helps you run towards a rune. Unfortunately, destruction is better than your Wind Lace.
When they do Meatball, though, onto this K-O-R-E-J-K-I-RO, being burnt down by the Meatball of Museum,
Tundra bringing three heroes to help that invoker in the midlane.
33 decided to go for the Kraken Swell, faster to Swell, so plus 3 on his damage block, getting involved.
Once he gets to pipe, he could just sit on mid, they don't really have good heroes to deal with him.
Even now already.
Ooh, he changed his mind, he queued up the Shiva's instead, maybe he wants to be more aggressive.
He commenced to buying items, so it looks like it's gonna be a Shiva's build.
Not as if someone else is going to fight, right?
That's a straight shift in ideology from fight to Shiva's.
Yeah, one is very defensive, one is more aggressive really.
That's the way it works.
I mean, the physical protection from having Shiva's as well,
along with his increased damage block, is also going to be very nice.
And every way to deal with the brew split,
this aggression from Mikoto,
quite a lot of physical damage can come his way.
Yeah, and the protection teammates.
On to Ari with a double damage on Makoto getting hexed up on his way through so can't finish a kill on the Shadowshalon
Tundra really trying to make as much noise in this mid lane giving some targets for not giving up lives to allow invoker and
Luna to farm on these side lanes pretty freely
Yeah, playing towards your void spirit is pretty natural for them to do
That does leave a bit of space for for this Luna to get big
There comes Tundra.
Tundra smoked forward.
So BZM's shown on this wave.
Coming back to farm jungle, I think Windranger's read this.
Diascan is there as well, which is about to turn red.
Yeah, she knows.
She is definitely aware of what's happening, but I think they're fine with it, because
this move towards top to try and find Windranger and try and open the top tower is much delayed
compared to Aurora's take on the bottom tier 1 tower.
They've been enjoying a bigger map for a while, they took the mid tower, took the bottom tower,
so already they're getting out there.
Networth is still looking very even, and that's largely part due to Luna farming so fast in
jungle with Masked Commanders build.
Yeah, but it's still a brewmaster with his hand of Midas given a free lane and now free
jungle and lane, that's how we're falling, so his aggro interceptor is coming up pretty
quickly.
That means, like Guno was saying, getting to that level 12, getting to the ulti, getting
The Agile of Scepter, he does become an incredible monster.
Oh, that's Kiro, together with the Void Spirit.
And the Magma Fire.
Right onto the warlock.
Tons of damage dumped onto this guy as Falka tries to hold the line.
33's come in, Serpent Ward's put onto Kaori there.
The Sun Strike puts to secure the kill.
I don't find Lanker smashed for 33, we'll do it.
So I get a return kill and they start taking over the bottom area again.
33 trying to shove them away.
We'll see if WS can turn the results here from Brewmaster overall because I had to look it up after we've seen him a few times and I've been sitting here basically shit talking in a bit saying that Brewmaster doesn't feel that good.
Is it not good?
14 games played here in Malachi and it's 35% win rate.
So not the most impressive win rate so far.
It's not super contested either. I don't think the teams are necessarily Brewmaster pilled but there is some infatuation with the hero that I don't really understand yet.
There was an interesting discussion about reaching the bottom of the barrel in terms of all Flaners and having to pick Brew versus this game Brew being kind of open to it, right? Second pick, if I remember correctly?
As R.A. is going to get found in that radiant ancient area, just a quick, simple kill on support.
It makes Enthami's like a last pick and you've got nothing left because, okay, his win rate is going to suffer just through that fact.
Yeah, we'll see how much they can do with the early agonims because last game I harped on how if you go agonims rush on brumaster
And don't get to click your ulti it's gonna be useless. Oh, they're gonna fight this coming tide hunter is coming in
It's the shrine contested or stepped into that area as tide will take the shrine himself
assimilation Makoto goes aggressive onto BGM white monday force back Makoto hiding in the trees
He's going to have a landing as WS.
He's going to come in here onto 3-3.
Primal Split used up the titan serving force back
and in trouble, he can't ravish the save himself either.
So shredded by Mira.
PZM now stuck on the tower or the ghost walk.
They've got revealed, so they do see him on his walk back.
A few more touches.
We'll find a secondary core killed there for Aurora.
You can talk about anything that went wrong during that fight,
but I think the big thing that went wrong
was outside of the fight.
Parker tp'd somewhere else as the fight was starting basically
He used his tp to go bottom and take farm I think I would have to see that as he back exactly where he came from in
To but basically they're fighting without carry and they cannot win that fight
Oh white mod does not want to give us tower without the defense drops the golem on mirror good fatal bonds as well
But Ari just can't quite catch up shadow shaman pretty slow on his feet not able to dance forward
Not me mirror can tp back to base safely
Kind of be completely fine.
Void Spirit though going behind.
Ah, get the jump.
Find the tier one yet again.
Deceive 8, burst through Ari, final touch on the chicken.
Thanks his head off while Wightmon is on the run, but I think Mikoto is hungry.
He's just eating a whole chicken, but he wants a Warlock as well, and why not?
Mikoto gets the double on the supports completely single-handedly.
He is just playing on fire right now.
This bushbeer is actually popping off now.
6-0 and 4?
That's mean there's tons of room here for B2 and a KRO to get damage on the tower.
You're right, Tundra.
Playing 4-B-5 for the most part of the Rora do bring the numbers.
Every single fight.
That was a good use of the primal split.
Next fight you'll have Agatham Scepter.
Makoto with his Spirit Vessel already has his Agatham Shard coming out.
Scaling it very, very quickly.
This is kind of what we expected, right? With Tundra needing a bit more time to get to their initial items, we're looking for Ravage Cataclysm, we're looking for this Lunar to scale up into 20 plus minutes.
That is true. I do think that they want to use all their ultis together though, we didn't see their Ravage used even because they couldn't really fight there. Bottom, they want to use their clips right now.
Serpent Ward's and the save. Shackles were held though from Ari.
Hittering continuing with the support. Coming in from Aurora. Shackling up the
Shadow Sherman. Drag him into a fight. They couldn't finish. That's where you see Shadow
Beaman being. You know that that's basically his stake to one of the top
S tier supports in this patch. It's the fact that he provides a lot of catch, a
lot of utility, but also that insanely good save with destruction. So much of
to his predicated on finding a target and blowing them up nowadays right so just
having the ability to say no no no yeah and I think in particular against
Shadow Shaman because even if you're a bit late you can still save against the
shackles it's like oh I wasn't there in time but I can still get there and
cancel the shackles still waiting for my boy Oracle to come back
get there eventually all he needs is a dispelled you know on his ulti yeah or
Oracle is not far away from being playable, honestly.
Not far away. It's just difficult.
It's a very, very saturated S tier support method right now.
Like, the top ones are just so damn strong
that it's hard to break into that category.
Just need to put false promise on an enemy hero.
Use it aggressively, yeah?
Yeah.
False promise, you can use it on your allies and on your enemies.
Absolutely.
If you use it on the enemy, but not in the right way.
Not the way you want.
Retune, going straight into the BKB after Milner. Looking to get that protection against the
disables of Tundra. Versus Invoker, you want that BKB.
Yeah, definitely makes sense. I think there's no way you could play the game without it,
and Windranger almost always wants to have BKB, so you can ulti, pop BKB, windrun, and
you're basically unstoppable during that timeframe. And unlike Aurora, we don't really
We have Tundra with a great save ability if someone gets gone on, so they're going to
have to just tank up innately by themselves, that's why we have Shiva's on Tide, and we'll
see Agnus after on Invoker, so preparing for the Cataclysm.
He's waiting for Parker.
Everyone's been on Parker, watch this tournament.
No difference this game.
The Aurora make their step into the Rose Pit.
WS tanking things up for V2 to focus fire.
Just tanking it, dishing his thing in the fire, or a state fire stands for a long time there.
Just doing a lot of damage with his fritz.
No contesting, means Tundra trying to get something else around the map.
Serpent wall's on the tier one, gets him an objective.
Now looking at a windranger with Aegis and BKB probably in the next fight.
50 seconds for the Torment Spawn, it's going to be the top area, so Dyer already set up in a nice spot.
We might see Tundra think about cracking towards Tier 2 or forcing some reaction somewhere else
Parker is racing ahead though, isn't he 13,000 net worth this Luna a hero that you've been looking for
We've been excited to see I mean very very tanky and hard to kill with this moonshield
He did just break 300 CS at 19 minutes that is that is agriculture my friend that is straight up farming
I'm just trying to figure out how they actually kill him in these fights, but do you just
like disrupt and ignore the Luna, make her kill herself?
Yeah, disruption is a very good tool against her, can maybe pass the Shadowdean ulti onto
her just to hold her in place a little bit and then fight the rest.
But Aurora's game is going to be much trickier, you know?
That's why I felt that way from the draft as well, their teamfights execution has to
be very clean. Even in a game here where Void Spirit has been popping off from the start,
they're still behind in golds.
It's a lot more delicate to choose your targets, right? Like, who do you cyclone, who do you
disrupt?
Who do you shackle shot, who do you focus fire, who do you go on with this Void Spirit
and his remnants?
Yeah.
And you have to...
This first point of contact, you can't go on who you see, but then there's the reactions
from Tundra.
And Kaori dies to the Tormentor, and Makoto gets Sunstruck. Nice attempt from BZM. If
that was a little to the right, could have found V2, maybe.
He's on WS, or maybe it's the other way around. WS is on him. The brewmaster is going to give him a few clicks.
Shadow Sharman doesn't have any friends here, but a good Serpent Ward trap gives him some buddies.
But as the ether eminence, you rack him back in. A kill on Mira, thanks to Parker.
There's at least trade on the map here for Tundra.
Yeah, trade goes both ways a little bit there. Shadow Demon, despite having his blink dagger, gonna fall down bottom.
So Tundra getting something for himself.
I think once Tundra gets Blink Dagger over on the side of 33, we'll see the game start
shifting a little bit.
They need mobility, they need Blink on Rustup, they need Blink on Tide, and they can be the
ones activating and making moves.
Right now they've been very reactive on the side of Tundra, and mostly just been farming
away.
I'm not bleeding out though, like good resilience to keep this net worth lead within 1k, I don't
I don't think it's been much more than that this entire game, although it has been Aurora
making those first steps, setting the tempo of the match.
Yeah.
Aurora are preparing to play a big map though, WS is going for the travels on Brewmaster
and for now him and Shadow Demon, just running together looking for something.
BrewOlti is ready and we can see WS, he wants to use Ulti, he doesn't want to just stand
on farm.
It's pretty close to the tier two tower though, but they're going on Shadow Shaman.
Roll and drop though as a reaction.
Nice fable bomb to the Ravage Cataclysm to blow up Mira, double kill for BZM and WS gone as well!
Tundra with a combo!
Reacting beautifully!
33 man, 33 gets a fantastic Ravage onto everybody there and from there on it was just an over commitment too close to a tower.
Like, they're diving a support right next to a tier 2 tower and they got punished so hard for it.
I also don't think that Aurora's draft can afford too many mistakes like that.
You are playing against a super hard carry in Luna, and you're running this tempo carry that is Windranger.
I mean, yeah, we've seen Windranger do okay in late games sometimes, but usually you have to dominate to get there.
You get a replay of what happened there.
And then, Tidally, you come to me on the day of my blink dagger? How dare you?
I mean, that was six Sunstrikes landing. That's just so much damage.
Ravage into Cataclysm, still a very strong combo.
Ari setting up bottom as well, B-Tune.
He's got Aegis BKB, so not really the target they wanted to see,
and in fact Ari's gonna be the one that Shackle shot us up.
He's the M&Parker in the vicinity, but no
intentions of playing with Shadasharmin there.
Killed secured? Oh thank you.
Kory will take that one? As B-Tune still doesn't have a single kill by the way.
Miner in there.
Makoto.
He's got astral steps.
Alright, I thought that was going to be something from BGM.
He was ghost walked and lurking.
Yeah.
A run of ATOS meteor hammer.
He does have some of the tools it takes to deal with his void spirit now.
But a smoke wraparound from Aurora.
And a jump on Whitemon.
They wanted a poker.
Might get both.
Fornado sends the bruling Skyward.
Whitehunter coming in to help him.
But BGM all alone.
Throw some spells in the back.
save disruption there allows them to escape as BZM dies and 33 slightly contends with the
Brulings and the Void spirit. Everybody is moving over, Luna is coming.
Big three Parker to this fight, Lucenbeam, Eclipse, Parker starts to open up,
Vtune with BKB, kills off 33, McRepire there and Parker has to defensively BKB while the
channel from Ari, yes it'll go to a place momentarily but now shackled off and killed off.
Fantastic fight for Aurora, one by one, after they get the clean pick off first on Invoker,
there's a lot of damage missing, one Cataclysm isn't there.
And you brought your 18,000 with Parker Luna in and didn't accomplish anything.
Yeah, she doesn't have MKB, so hitting into a Windranger is not going to be a thing, and
Windranger with the BKB and Ulti gets to have an easier team fight.
That's a good first jump, getting BZN out here is very important, so no Ravage Cataclysm.
the SD ulti is basically doomed he has no way of running away doesn't even have
travels build on him okers so not the fastest nice attempt for the spells on
the shower demon not gonna be enough though that was with the remaining
couple of seconds on ages I was very happy to just go forward there
it was a fight one but they don't get too much on the back of it's not really
like Roshan was available or anything like that so an important fight for
Aurora because they need everything they can get right now, but I think Tundra are fine to just reset and go again and like
in reality that was
I'm not even a 3v5 that was like Luna plus Warlock versus 4 and the Luna did a lot of damage in that fight
You can see Aurora dropped like half health on a lot of that cause so you can you can start to imagine
This next fight where they have ravaged cataclysm
They might have to jump that initial move from Tundra if they can get in on top of people
It is very difficult for Aurora to react and actually fight back.
It's possible. Luna is smoked and looking for something, leading the way, actually.
Sprinting straight across the map. Radiant scan is there. They're going to come for the full wraparound.
They know they're below them.
Aurora smoked themselves. Aurora unaware of what's happening right now.
Second Radiant scan turns red, and they've got the jump on the Wind Ranger. Destruction save comes first.
Icepath has stopped the Shadow Shaman Shackling from V2 against Blink Ravage.
In comes the Clactatic Lism to kill him off.
Parker picks up the kill, mirrors dropping quickly, Parker with a double.
Now MacCotham on the invoker trying to finish off BZM.
Not quite enough to do the trick though, as BZM with the help of the upheaval and tornado
gets the clip onto Void's Brit and the Brewlings, and Parker starts shredding the WS.
And he slip away from this, jumps off to the right-hand side,
Blink TP to get to base, but the Glide never BZM!
He gets the high ground catch. He's more dead to death though potentially.
BGM called snap. Why am I helping? Invoker with a deafening. Pushes Brew back and Parker can arrive again.
Oh this time, still under the blink?
Did WS is styling on them? That's not allowed.
Don't tell me he lives what? He does, he gets away. Hopes down to low ground. He's safe somehow.
I mean, that's insane man. I thought he was dead for sure. He almost got the invoker.
There was closer to that Invoker died than Brumester dying, that's wild.
Maybe a sign of things to come though, another fight where Tundra able to get her spells
out and Aurora seemed a little lost in how to react to it.
It's certainly a sign of things to come because Luna didn't have the Silver Edge by that point.
She had a Demon Edge only and now the full Silver Edge is completed.
He had a lot of gold back in base. Significantly stronger now.
He's leaving out a lot.
Beep beyond cooldown for Parker. Might get caught early.
Hanta.
Dust is on him though.
Eclipse throw now and Parker with three seconds left on that cooldown is gonna die.
Hanta-clism lands on Kaori but 33 and Whitemon unable to save the Luna there on the run themselves.
They're just not expecting Aurora to be that aggressive, but WS-
He's in on top of Tide, focus fire, help with the body blocks.
Drop him down to half HP, 33 is tanky, but with WS in front of him there's no escaping.
Try towards the end, he got the face boots for no collision, but it was too late.
EMP is not gonna clip the brewmaster, so he's gonna be fine too.
Father Tying on Rosary spawning as well.
He's up in a second.
Brew, when he walks in the pit, he knows it.
So Shandrilae, are you just blinking and chasing the Shadowdeven?
Finds him.
As they start out on the Roche, Shadowdeven has Ward nearby, he's gonna see the Rasta.
Double damage on Foxbot.
Any second still on the Luna, this Roche isn't the fastest and wind kinda low.
BCM's poking at them, but a final split here straight towards them, and Foker's isolated.
Tundra throw away a life there trying to contest the Roche pit, trying to delay
things for Parker to respawn but now losing out entirely. They've done a
great job on Aurora of not fighting into the Omega team fight that Tundra have
instead just picking off one by one by one and Tundra their lineup it's not
really reaching its full potential if they don't get to go together. Don't
give them the 5v5. Yeah they want the big brawl 5v5 but now there's this
awkward thing where, okay, their lineup wants to 5v5, but ages in the hand of the Windranger
kind of flips that. Now you've got to wait out the ages timing. Aurora with the temple
control, they have the initiative.
And the itemization. Aiondisk's coming up on multiple heroes. Void's Britain has his,
Brew is working on another, so ways to get out of that problematic rabbit into cataclysm.
Brew, finish off the refresher orb first.
That's a pretty farm boormaster, they're gonna try and burst him once.
They're here with the shackles, but the save from Mira, he'll get blasted, but Brew can maybe get his ultimate off, no he can't!
Goal and drop on his head!
Tundra, flip the game again!
Yeah, unfortunately, not able to get it out, he maybe didn't want to refresh her immediately too, because he didn't try with the refresher into ulti.
There was another wave of hex from Rasta coming off.
So the Entangra biting into the Aegis and still succeeding, or rather the team that has the Aegis.
Yeah, waste as much of that time as possible.
Out playing up top. 33 shoves out the wave.
The rest of them in that top left corner.
Both teams buying for control over the map. It is going to be a torment of going the way of Radiance.
Which shard do they get? It's the Rasta.
Kerk is always the Rasta shard.
Koto, always hunting.
Amplified damage expiring.
Looking for the smoke break and like a jump on a support here, but Tundra have a very
good job of extricating themselves from that top left corner.
Yeah, they leave the area.
The invoker walked over vision though.
Can I get shackled?
Yeah, a few tunes here.
The windranger just pops out of nowhere.
Oh, leave.
Okay, yes.
Nile, they see invoker.
Yes, the rated shiv and remnants brooch.
He's proccing.
This boy is doing damage.
You know, single-turn damage, the Windranger is insane.
So these pickoffs, that's where she shines.
Help, there's a BGM, either Warlock or Shabashab and try to play out
as wide a map as they can, playing under walls, pushing wave,
trying to open things up as much as possible.
For the Rora saying, screw it, we're just gonna shove down mid, get these tier 2 towers.
Yeah, lift being expanded, but of course with no emulcher they're not too interested in fighting.
And Brew has to boost the travels of it. Brew just clears the bottom lane, TP's back at the top, and their 5 heroes all gathered up together again.
And the lead, which is really...
They want to drop some snakes.
...heavily for the Lunar. Suddenly this voidspray is going to caught up.
Yeah, they're going to force them home by using Rasta, ult the other tower, but the catch is coming.
Man, it caught us there.
They both support the dead.
It looks like it.
Accept their fate.
Disruption.
Attch and kill.
Tons of damage.
Nicoto with a double.
And they're looking top, and Volker shot himself.
And WS is there onto BKB.
Yeah, B2.
Windrilling around, pops the BKB and died with a Shackler shot.
Focus fire.
Kills off BZM while they cyclone the Lunar.
Kaori has the ice bath macro player here at Parker as well.
Has to BKB defensively and he's still dying
the physical damage out of B2! K-O-Ri! Ravage then killed by 33!
Yeah, I mean, you got the support, but you're still in danger, actually, getting run at slowly.
He's just lost 4 heroes and 33 might be the 5th. B2 and WS diving past the tier 3 towers.
Okay, 33's tanky enough, but you've lost complete traction on the map, just slipping everywhere.
Yeah, not only that, but you don't have Ravage anymore, so a long cooldown exp, the push is still here.
Brumaster has to refresh sure if you want to commit it, but otherwise they could just hold the map as well.
One minute on the ages for Windranger.
As you've committed the ulti, Tier 3 tower is dropping fast.
We just haven't seen Parker this game.
He's joined a little fight as it ended in that top left-angent area.
Twice!
Nicodo, 9-0-11, this voice pair.
He's getting rooted and meteorred.
Runei, there weren't land bows. He assimilates to the right.
Oh, Annie dodges, so he doesn't get triggered on the aim on this. Still hasn't available.
Well done. Vanna plays now as well, so the creeps will lift up as Makota goes in.
On to 33, poking a little bit here as Aurora looked to break the base.
Malayrax down, and even though V2 has an Aegis, there's only 20 seconds left, so they'll disengage.
Aurora just looked really impressive. Their map reads and their movements have been really clean,
really clean and I haven't seen Tundra go together with the way that you know
expected in this draft. I mean that's what we said. We thought this draft was
Tundra favored and Aurora would have to outplay and to be fair Aurora have
outplayed it very well to get themselves in this state but where is Parker? I mean
it hasn't been the death ball that I expected that's all the you know the
threat of the big team fight so I guess it goes back to Aurora having done a good
good job split pushing them, forcing them to go other places on the map, but certainly
you have 500 CS on your carry, but he's not even that far ahead of the Void Spirit now
because while you've been farming creeps, he's been farming heroes.
Yeah, but Vtune has like two thirds of the last hits, he's got more damage than Plank,
they're looking at those stats. He's been getting solo kills and Invoker, he's been
opening up the map. Vtune has had a cracking game here, even though it's like 3-1-8, those
three kills have all been vitally important.
Yeah, both VTUNE and Mikota have really delivered, Mikota in particular, the double support kill up top was so monumental for them, just, I don't know, it's just a lot when two heroes get taken down by one player.
easy I'm gonna find a bit of farm on the opposing side of the map split push seems to be the
name of the game here with four spirits serpent wards they can move across the map and chip
away at base but the assault is coming on that top lane they're gonna use the brew push
so this is their version of like low committal push just brew ulti and what are you gonna
do only luna can kill the brewlings and they're doing a lot of damage
Earthbrewing, bulldozing and pulverizing the buildings.
Threading through.
It's demolishing, the uh, hide hunter.
Can only watch and stare.
Just make some force spirits down on their base though.
So, a little bit uncomfortable to stick around here.
Raid didn't have a lime to their cement.
It's falling apart!
Two melee racks down, bottom lane here.
lane here, he's getting hard pushed by the serpent wards so Tundra getting something.
There's pretty big kill for them. Trying to kill the serpent wards off by a good tornado
kind of stops them while Kaori is pulled on the other side of the map, didn't evacuate with the
rest of his team and Ari does get the bottom melee barracks. Yeah the split push was successful,
they got both the racks and they got a pick off and they kept the ranged racks alive so very nicely
done by Tundra. What a funny game. That's back and forth right? Tundra using whatever they have available
if the team fights are hard, look somewhere else.
They've definitely stemmed the flow with that network lead. We're starting to build pretty
quickly. They went from 1k to 6 or 7, now back down to 4. Yeah, they have the triple and disc of
course on the Aurora lineup so it's just hard to burst them but tundra I think
they're getting to a point where they have good continuous damage output
satanic is about to be completed over on Luna with a disassemble he's gonna have
it
and a couple of seconds until the roach comes fast forward 37 minutes in the fast
Roche so night time and tundra in position have been scanned so a good
idea here that Aurora understand enemy heroes and hybrid vision are gonna be
around where Parker currently is. Pretty three looking for where the fight is
gonna be this. It looks like it's tall. That's Burmester. Burmester is just holding for buildings. Come and deal with me.
Hey, witness my broolings kill your base.
They're already being run out by 33, dead in the water.
Sunstrike landing, and good damage there to finish off the Jikiro.
While top lane, EZM has the BKB to run away.
V2 has the damage though to puddle him through the TP.
And this fight?
Find Mira in the back though, so both of our support's falling.
Support's for Invoker, I think he's still happy on Dire, they have buybacks as well.
But Master does have to run to safety.
Difficult to figure out where to look.
I think they're definitely okay with this on Aurora because they also got the racks, right?
They cleaned out the range racks. Not a major objective to take those down, but...
For now, Tundra, without the invoker available and no cataclysm, their bursts will struggle.
I wonder, maybe they could have gone stuck Roche, but it's a difficult task.
Might be that he swapped sides in a minute and a half.
Gem on the brewmaster, recognized in the silver edge, or the silver edge in this from Lunis. Pretty annoying.
He's going to find a mid ward, get some d-ward for himself, but yeah, top area is going to be the area you want to control.
Dire are going to be there earlier, and Tundra not really looking to contest this Rocheville looks of it.
They're drawing the line for us, but they're pretty late and they're going to be under a ton of vision double-dial ward on this left side of the map
It's going to see them approaching and that's where Aurora are running towards immediately sprinting in towards BZM
They don't catch him quite
33 is going to come back to save the Shattersharman and focus still being run out by Brulings
But dead in the water on his voice spirit
33 is going for it with a golden drop as a tanky Makoto while BZM has been destroyed
P2 and Dismantle's there, man, and Mikota's fine!
Aeonisk Hop is alive, still going, and Tundra without your Cataclysm, so much damage is
now lacking.
They're still looking for more, Brewmaster just blinking forward, not a care in the
world with the Aeonisk.
You've got to point out where Aurora's cause, a lot of them feeling vulnerable.
It's really silly, but it feels like they've never gone to execute the way they wanted,
Apart from that one ravage into Cataclysm on mid lane.
Yeah.
Oh, hello.
I have to catch something, but instead, the Void Spirit shows up.
It's slapped.
It's open walls, easy money there for Mira and Kaori.
Yeah, there you go.
Go to grab another double damage rune, hands the bottle to V-Tune.
Parker, five, two, and three, 650 last hits, 30,000 net worth.
Peace.
30,000 net worth but he's alone in the middle lane yeah what he's gone but that's I mean
porqué Parker couldn't he push that with man time to school I legitimately have no idea I mean
the call must be made we're in drastic season we've got to do something to get ourselves back on the
map I guess so I also feel like the 30,000 net worth but he still doesn't have true strike against
the Windranger and Brewmaster, he's been pretty unable to hit what he wants. Yes, he's going to
turn into support, but who's going to kill the Kors on the side of Aurora? Picoto is also not by
the single time this game. We've got past the Augustage of the game for Aurora. They did so well
through that raw aggression through Makoto. Just like KP said, right? Playing through your heroes
when they're strong, they did exactly that. Made sure that BZM was kind of shut down. I mean,
They've made Broomaster look broken in this game, so yeah, there's definitely confirmed any doubts or removed any doubts, rather.
I'm just diving by in tier 3 to this point, looking for the supports in the back.
They root up Mikoto, Eoundisk pops, Ravage from 33 with the Cataclysm to come.
The damage is good and Mikoto's done.
Tundra finally getting something to go their way.
Gushing towards Mira in the back, Parker opens up with the damage.
WS, Eoundisk, foothank nullified and Primal Split required.
We'll turn back onto the Lunar with the damage from Vtune, annihilating Parker.
Dead for two minutes with no buyback as he spent it, and Aurora, five alive, plus ages in the hands of the Windranger.
They just go for the dive. 33 is being herded back to Fountain, and Vtune, he'll walk back to kill off buildings.
It's just impossible to defend, they're lacking the damage. They have to wait for cataclysm or something.
Alright, seems an impossibility now. They'll jump on the Windranger just to try and break the Aegis down, but V-Tune's gonna stand his ground, fight back into 33, while WS deals with the supports in the back.
Makoto makes the jump, Shatter Sharman. He's got a little bit of distance there, but the Brew keeps on chasing, hounding these heroes, forcing them to fountain.
They shackle him by holding him. V-Tune's coming, Brew, he's disarmed, he's taken down. They got WS, but he buys back now.
Yes, travels to he's gonna be here very shortly keep us to a bottom wave
They still haven't taken the mega creeps the buildings have been focused much. I've got on a cliff somehow
Let's keep refreshing it up as the BKB wind ranger make short work of the tide
Shipping away with a focus fire a BGM burst down the top left corner of our screens
Found and killed dead with 90 no Luna for a minute
Tied and warlock against the world Aurora 5 alive ready to close out this game jumping on to 33 another
the red and grab and assimilate and a burst of damage on the time.
Now they kill him and finally Tundra will recognize that okay this is over.
They could not buy enough time for the respawn and that's just it.
Game is over just like that.
1-0 there for Aurora.
Looking incredibly good. Yeah that felt
I mean a bit sloppy from Tundra perhaps but Aurora
definitely peaking here as well. They're playing so well. Super woke up.
very, very sharp as we pass it back to Sheeva on the panel.
Yeah, thank you very much. This was Aurora on fire.
We heard from KP at the start of the game after the draft
that he had very clear timings for his team in mind,
clear building blocks for setting a fairly high tempo
and having good control in the early game.
And I think TGov, everything you said just came to fruition.
Yeah, Makoto has to chill. Like in his voice for early on.
If he doesn't make the moves then you can see Tundra they get a scale that three-quarters will get really happy
And then the problems will come into play
But Makoto was just ruthless throughout this game like he saw you know Ari or white month even a dropout of position
He was cutting off their heads and sending him back to me. He was insane
Yeah, I think just the matchup the void versus vocal matchup
But usually it's like you think of it more the way anything right like what is more damage out lanes the Voker
but in the mid game, I feel like BZM just struggled so hard to ever have impact.
Every single fight, I was like, he gets missed.
This was every fight, pretty much.
Every single fight.
Two heroes around him, three heroes around him, he's dead.
There's one fight where Brewmaster ulted. It wasn't even on the screen,
and he just got chased 100-0 by Brewmaster split.
But also here as well, right?
Like, we're talking about BZM.
I'd argue Aria of my mind also felt lost in this game.
I think Aria, we're going to see the clip here,
but earlier he forced a lot of aggression.
He kind of dragged parkrances and moves.
It was always in place to counterplay it.
Like, I wasn't feeling the shaman like I've seen in other games and then, yeah, unfortunately, Warlock, same thing again, sir.
Yeah, I think between BZM and Ari, they're kind of the big two players that I'm looking for, stepping up in the next game.
If they play like this again, or we'll outplay you, they played very good though.
It's definitely the situation I think most times we see Contra, they play around kind of BZM, and he does a lot of work for them, and 33.
And then this team, I feel like 33 was like kind of there with people and Parker was like off farming, which I think was fine, but like easy was in order to be found.
The sports were nowhere to be found.
And I always felt like 33 would never be dying in the fights and never get caught out, but no one was helping him and they weren't farming themselves.
Like it could be fine if they were just split and they were just playing for some super late game, but they weren't.
They were just dying off cooldown and I don't know, Aurora just kind of knew where to go with their heroes to get pressure.
I mean, there was like one death on VTUNE where they had that smoke around, they hit the ravaged catechism,
but after that, I think the information Aurora was giving themselves was what was allowing them to play into Tundra.
Like I was mentioning, they play for one pick-off, then it's back onto the map, do other moves,
and then when they actually see a ravaged Wasted or a catechised Wasted, or let's say Lulud going down mid and dying from a silver centre or something like that,
I think they just made sure they always respected what Tundra has.
have. And when you do that, you don't get out team fought because you're just whittling
them down. And yeah, I kind of understand how important Makoto was in this game. Like
if he doesn't play with this mentality, this aggression, I could see Tundra just outscaling
them. But this voice for it's like, it's like reminiscent of like knee shadow of a
voice for it. I was like really impressed with how he played this game.
It was super solid. And we talked at the end of the draft also about, you know, how we
were going to keep our eyes on the shadow demon. I felt like, I mean, obviously shadow
was good but was he really the you know the linchpin of the of the draft here um i i think so to
some extent i make it hard for parker to want to join the early fights okay i think he always wanted
this like one extra item and even though they had good team fight on tundra i thought that it were
dodging it really nicely for the majority of the game yeah the overall last pick of course was the
tide hunter and that was going to be a big part of the fights coming out from tundra and so there's
kind of these two back to back team fights we're gonna watch the first one is
there's a ravage right triple kill with cataclysm really so easy to execute
it feels like oh wow like that's it just click two buttons you win the teamfight
but then I think this is where Tundra makes a mistake it's just about like a
minute and a half later ravages still cool down and they try to take this fight
with no ravage and it's coming up and then you see BZM he just dies to the
voids here at the brewmaster and it just feels like every time that they after
I don't think they really ever grouped up again in a clean faction. It was always
Beeson gets caught and they try to help them or the supports are getting caught
There was never again the entire game where there was a 5v5 with someone on tundra starting
But also the call for this like the time just to even try and take this fight after right when you're both
We've been caught we saw tight-handed was clicked right ravaging the quarter for 40 seconds
They still run into this triangle and to take this fight into a roar of being confident playing as five running through them
like that is like a kind of save-your-body syndrome or let's just try and make go to of a bad pick-off because it's kind of
happened throughout the entire game and
Tundra's never connected the clean split push that we've seen from them before and the good teamfighting like they'd always
It just felt desperate throughout the game rather than like we're split pushing for this fight
It just felt like they're split pushing to survive and we're hoping the team fight works well
Yeah, but it also just reminds me of the last like what two three minutes we watched of the game before
Aurora went high ground for the final time, it was summer getting picked off, like one
by one at random locations, why are you there?
The worst part was for me, it was always a plus one, like the time bot where it's like
a two or three, maybe just the shaman dies, but the world like stays there channel and
also dies, and then there's times where the invoker's getting caught and then there's
a plus one, same here just like T was saying, invoker gets caught and instead of being like
Okay, you got only got BZM. Let's go out and farm. They're like, oh, you know, maybe they wasted too much
Maybe we can take the fight and then obviously they can't so I don't know just if they do want to play this like split skirmishy
I think you have to be way more comfortable giving up kills fair play to Aurora
They knew about the rap style of tundra like when tundra wants to play a slower game like this with the team fight
They want to split push waves
So clearly Aurora had that mentality from like minute zero because at what point did you ever see the show in any
they could actually split push and buy an extra minute or two.
It felt like when they went to split push, it's instantly killing.
So that is like a lot of props to like the prep of Aurora,
but the other teams, they wouldn't have done it that cleanly,
the entire game.
They really felt like the entire game,
it was constantly getting replayed in their head.
Don't let them rat, don't let them rat, don't let them rat.
And it worked.
It worked very well.
It also of course does give Thundera a little bit of an idea
of what they're up against so they can adjust for game number two.
Let's see how they do it after a break.
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you are still watching PGA Wallachia season seven and we are in the middle of an elimination series
and it is Tundra that is with their backs against the rope right now because they're
oh one down against Aurora. Aurora did so well in that game number one that I'm sure that Tundra
is going to be looking for an answer to deal with that aggression and that momentum that Aurora
found in game number one and that's what I want to talk to you guys about because I'm sure that
That's where Tundra is going to go, right?
They were so locked on the Tidehunter cooldown
in order to fight that it was very easy, seemingly,
for Aurora to play around it.
But they used to be, they have been so good
with this concept throughout the group stage,
the way that they split push,
the way they keep it up alive.
I think this is the first game that I personally watched
that I'm like, oh God, they really struggled now.
I think that's more prox to Aurora than Tundra.
Okay.
So I don't know if Tundra's going to try
and make any big changes.
It's more like, maybe clean up the way they did it,
If they're doing it again, Aurora is going to be ready. This is not like a surprise to Aurora. Clearly they've prepped for this start of Tundra.
I think there's some concern about the Invoker pick for me. I know BZM's the type of guy to just be like, I'll pick Invoker at any game.
I think he would first pick Invoker overall and the draft would be fine. But in this game, it definitely looks like he was kind of struggling to find impact.
if it's the Void spirit in particular or what or maybe he just said a bad game but I
Would hope maybe a different here than the invoker something like an ember something
That's just easier to make the plays rather than like a slower hero
The way that they've been playing on Parker with success has been just hope Parker carries you not hope but like set him up to carry
You set him up for success and I don't think the invoker really does that the vokers like
Kind of the main character, but it can when you create the split push
No, but Invoker is an exceptional hero at the lane games, random media here, tornado there, right?
Like, you can fit that role, but...
I think also if you're getting like Sunstrike kills in the early game, it feels better, because you kind of like get this tempo, you get this speed,
to just accelerate everything, especially with the meteor hammer people are going now,
like the faster you get everything, the faster you get the aggs, but it's just, it seems a much more complicated playstyle than what the other teams are already,
like pick voids for it, pick double supports that can fight with you, fight till the game ends.
The Voker's like, okay, I'm gonna go do my own thing, you guys try to find pickoffs.
Outside of strike, good luck. Yeah, for me though, it's like, I wouldn't want to be so reactionary
because the reason why Tundra are in the playoffs is because of a lower bracket game in which they
picked Invoker, and we got to see the good side of it, right? Yeah. Again, at least one thing we know
is Parker's hero pool of get it being top net worth and feeling like he has presence is growing
like we're adding heroes to the list even though in the lunar game it didn't really feel like that
but that's not on the lunar that's on like the other pieces that we've gone to great lengths of
talking about the shamans and the evokas there's a bad writer there is a bad writer that to me
that's the one that stands out the most there's a tree but then if you big tree then Aurora can pick
based on the previous bands as well the Aurora first-phase band the tiny in game
number one so don't know if we want to have that on our radar as well but it is
the Batrider that gets picked up and the Windranger is Nancy. It's a fun matchup
of course we heard from the interview about Nightfall's favorite here and
the pickings for Nightfall. Carrie Windranger versus Offlane Batrider it's
gonna be I focus the Bat that has the firefly easy on top of me do I have
napalm on me am I getting lassoed like there's kill potential either way but
when your engine naturally can complain to it with hurricane pike bkb you can
always have that distance speaking of the interview oh yes he also said the
brewmaster has no counters obviously brewmaster one there is an asterisk to
that where it's like the counters are just a lot of splash damage that kills
the pandas okay but in the right hands in the right
playstyle it can make also they have changed the towns a lot I'm hesitant to
agree with it to that hold of a state sure I think the reason why it feels
good is I want to say 10 15 20 I think every single talent choice has a buff
to your old like you have one that's like more damage of 10 you have more
health at 15 you have something at 20 I think maybe is a duration I don't know
but he basically you just keep getting stronger much faster as opposed to in the
past it was kind of like you have to hear 18 and then you're 20 and then you're a
really strong hero so they're definitely is a much faster but a few
base damage on 10 health of 15 cool down cool down okay and then the 25 is the
same where they get the passive on all of the broolings but thunder out of that
so it's out removed let's see what else they would ban out based on maybe the
previous game and maybe based on what they're planning, still for the rest of the draft,
because picking a bat is nice and all, but it doesn't really paint any picture, or at least
can paint many pictures, if that, if you will. I'm not expecting this to be banned out, but the way
I see the draft progressing is like Aurora takes the Warlock, then Thunder takes the Tiny, plus
Kiro where's the shadow shaman in all of this?
Then they take the warlock on 16. Okay, so let's redo that warlock on 13. It's then tiny or shaman
Last to Kiro. There we go
Draft progresses the reason why I lean tiny it's just mealy blood with that right if it was nice
Just more repositioning with toss and lasso. It's a lot of fun tools to
You would go for the warlock over the phoenix
and the shaman I just tried going down one hypothetical guys they're like two
hypotheticals oh no well that's because we didn't predict this that's because of
the raw new tundra with the tiny so then they know who cares they did ban it
out in the first in the first game because they know how comfortable tundra
with that tiny on either lineup just looks nice right when you have win ranger
ranged core tiny is like the one you want we saw how tiny shadow theme tossing
back in I want this to be a support though yeah hundred percent yeah tiny
fall again recently a lot of the times I see the tiny mid it kind of like falls
very flat in a lot of games like obviously there's gonna be games where
people don't put on big the time popped off this game like he owned but it's
just consistency wise I think it doesn't have the same as a lot of the other
currentments so I hope this is a support and then thunder is just going to take you know the
Generic sub do of shout us Robin plus jacquero soft world but but mirror has played it twice and lost twice
That's not good very unfortunate. Yeah
You think that's it you think he's like, oh guys. I'm sorry. I can't play the I'm playing anymore. I can't play the tiny
0% win reign. What if that's a mentality thing where he's like, you know, I want to change my zero percent?
Ah, yes, I want to make it like I haven't won a game on it. Yeah, that's I'd like to openly apologize to everyone
I didn't realize that tree was not banned and tree Charwin is a better combo than the ones I was suggesting
So shout out the time to double-checking the bands. How could you forget?
Okay, I don't accept your apology. Oh, okay, how do you work from this one then how do we progress from here?
Because the next picks for Aurora are going to be the new
mid probably no and we need a hero for Calori can we hype up the three heroes
of Phoenix and Burst Spirit right now oh what really yeah I will say that it is a
very good trio that tend to have there we go it has layers it has a vision it
has the pick off it has the ways to ensure that when tree goes deep with
the right because also we always talk about tree as the using the sharp but
when you have invisibility on just a 40 second cooldown you're always gonna get a
deep observer down that a future hero we utilize so I think Tundra's gonna be
very happy with this very pick-off style of play they're kind of going you know
what Aurora picked us off in the last game we're gonna pick them off this time
around yeah and Aurora continuing down the staples winranger here they've
utilized greatly now Phoenix and Tiny of course so yeah and it like no real
surprise I feel like they give me the ember and they go for the ember see it's
simple Phoenix ember right there it's just ember also kind of prevents the
baron emid response it's just good flex it gives you stuns it gives you it gives
you the chance to pick huskar 18 yeah but they're calling the bluff oh wait
that's the other way around or is it not no they're calling the bluff that BGM
just cannot play huskar that he played against it yes against liquid he
He struggled, he doesn't have many games on the hero, normally I'm like, what else is available for the counters?
I think it's fine to call the bluff.
Ooh, what a boy!
It is a very good morphling game.
The reason why I never really am excited by the 16-17 Ambers is, it's like,
Amber from mid lane can have some lane counters and also there's certain calls that can annoy Ambers'
Geno entry to the game like yes, there's going to be a battle timing the ember gets to play on and the mental shevers
But more thing that you buy matter you don't get ember anymore. You'll always waveform kill the egg
It kind of feels like you're giving one free corpick to the enemy team when you when you open the ember like this
But now in 24 they can get darks here
Sure, and then they have darks here tiny. I mean, where's the morph there's doom as well, right doom is in the pool
I think doom is gonna get banned because that's like the you know, there's a morph. We've been doomed. There's yep
And also at 33 so he's gonna be thinking of the doom, but I don't know the dark seer to me looks very good
Especially because you have this ember pairing. That's like probably the best dark seer core pairing in the game
Just because he utilizes anchill and the surge
The tiny and ember will thrive the tiny as a support like just letting this guy like blink in cast the spells run out
We did say that we want the tundra to to enable
Parker of it, right? Yeah the morphing enabled. Oh, yeah
They have so much pick-off that putting Parker on the morphling, whoever they grab, he'll
just waveform and then I kill you instantly, right, like this.
They do have the setup, it's more about the initiation, how they execute their heroes.
They had all the teamfight last game, they actually struggled to execute on it.
This time around, it's a little bit easier because it's not big ultimates now, it's
just like cheap spells that you're using, right, mainly on the tree and the shaman.
And of course BZM just needs to find a mid hero to tie things together.
Can Bat go mid?
It can.
It depends on what offlane 33 would play.
I don't really know if he would play any different ones.
What's really good for his win that he plays?
Are we forgetting the potential BZM takes the mid morphing, just re-farms against Ember,
And then you take over like Tiny and you play on that stall or that not really a thing anymore.
I've tried that one.
It doesn't feel as good as used in the past and even Ember these days is just strong in
a flanar and I that that change I think was before water and when people really played
it a lot mid the agility morph and then the strength one they just kind of neuterize the
cooldowns.
The only reason I think about it is like tiny win ranger.
It looks good.
It looks really good, but I've only seen it a couple times in pop pops.
It really is like a rare specimen. I think you should give BZM some new hero
Like anything can lane vs the Ember you can pick Storm Void
The only reason I entertain it is because like with the bands you've left doom and darks are in the pool
So are they gonna if they're not gonna obviously do that are they?
How they approaching this if they're giving away
Okay, so they just take the doom
And then they don't care darks it. Yeah, well doom is supposed to be good versus darks here
So it is the mid-batt versus Ember.
I think that that lane, it's annoying for Ember,
but he's one of the better melee mids
versus the bad red because you get the chains.
So it's like you have ways to prevent him from diving you.
I think if you play fine, you get out of the lane.
Even in the mid-game, you're good.
Definitely this last pick is really important for Aurora.
They want something that's strong in the lane.
I don't know if it was one of you guys that set this,
but they still had one minute and 40 seconds left
to think about this pick.
They did not wait.
Yeah, they just went.
They just went.
I mean, it's a WS Timber.
That's probably top three of his heroes.
It's not like his best hero.
And I have recently been seeing Timbersaw just pop off in a lot of these games in the tournament.
Like, it is so much damage.
It's so good.
Even, I would not be surprised.
I've seen this stuff where they get like an early blink and they one shot more things
when they're trying to go full agi farming.
Yeah.
It's a tough game as well.
Like, if Tundra just don't, if they execute the same way as the previous game, they will
just get outplayed by Aurora. They'll be able to survive the doom, there'll be a misinitiation
from Aerylite. I think the fear of Tundra not stepping up from the previous game will
be the downfall of this draft potentially, but if they do improve, they do play better
than Parker Morphling, it's 33 doom. You can't really fault the player to hear a combination,
but I think Aurora is going to be happy with what they've got. I think Makoto on the mid-emba,
he could potentially replicate the same early game as the last time where he'll just play
good mid lane versus the bat and then go crazy play into the side lanes get these fuels.
I think that the I like a roars draft more if I had to pick one of the two just I don't know any
time I see ember with like these high annoying damage short cooldown supports it's like I just
think of what's going to happen at 12 minutes right like around these mid towers these ruins
it's like side chain laser is going to be there tiny is going to run in avocombo then there's
going to be another chain some dude's dead the barrage that they lose that 3v3 they have such a
strong kind of like mid game support rotation I think it's just better sure
there's tree armor but trees kind of bad at like the 33 made it doesn't really
do much outside of the armor so I think of a war replace them a koto they kind
of just stop that writer from being that writer then I really like what they're
gonna do with this game be the end just needs to also have a better game right
like I think he struggled a lot in the last game and when you play back rider
everyone's gonna see exactly a mistake you make like a bad initiation of that
you're gonna die right so if he's playing the same as the last game they
I don't know, I feel like they have the draft to make that magic, to get it to a game three, just of course.
I've got good news, though.
Oh, what's that?
It's, you know, he's a grandmaster bat rider on BZM, so I'm sure that he's going to know how to deal with this game and this lane.
Of course, last game, Flax interviewed the winner, the winner and coach of the team.
Let's see if he's doing so again this time, Rahmik Rumiyan of this time.
Thank you so much, Shiver. Absolutely. We're here with Moon, me and her moon. Good to see you now. I got a big question kind of a meta question for you. Always scary to me when you're a team that has to play the last series and then you're the team that has to play the first series, you know, maybe the players are sleepy, maybe they're angry. How was the team feeling today when you walked in the building?
Relax, I think. Oh, yeah, but we got a little on edge after the game one as usual. Yeah.
I mean you guys aren't how do I say this without something a dick you guys must be used to losing game ones by now right?
It's like a motivating thing
You know it gets the boys in the head or they kind of just off. What's the deal?
I mean as long as we learn from it like usually sometimes
yesterday we won game one and off the other two games
Lost game one and one day two games. They was like hard fought series. So love to see you
Well, BZM got first blood, very good on the Bat Rider, so congratulations there, yeah.
What did you learn from Game 1?
We learned that, uh, guys, why don't we have that one there?
Maybe get the teamfighter once in a while, so I'm just trying all the games.
Teamfighting is good with Tidehunter, that's a great lesson to learn, fantastic.
We'll see if they can keep teamfighting here in game number two as we pass it to the Wagamister
and Gary B.
Thank you, Slaxsy!
I'll pick out what's a game two here,
as before I take on Tundra and as fast as the three,
lower brackets elimination on the line,
as BGM has already drawn first blood
with a big rotation in from Tundra
to give him an upper hand in this mid-lane.
Nice to hear Moon saying as well that, you know,
they pretty much felt that you should probably fight
when you have a lot of big ulties,
not just us sitting here and, you know, shedding on them.
Lesson learned. Lesson learned.
But we'll see adaptations of course. Sometimes you just get locked in the wrong idea in the game.
Yeah, and the idea here, Aurora again with the high tempo, high octane draft, looking to subvocate this map from an early point with all these low cooldown heroes that don't really rely on big ulti's to function,
whereas Tundra maybe wants to slow things down again.
Parker Moffling needs time to develop, build himself up, create a nice reservoir of strength.
Well, Doom, Crayon, Bat, Shadow Sharman, four heroes have pretty long cooldown altis.
Yeah, yeah, pretty long cooldowns, but on the other hand, that also means that they have some
powerful spells to play around, so not always does it result in having slower gameplay. We've seen
the tempo that something like Rasta can bring with the wards cracking open the map, so even though
they have longer cooldowns, I think that they will be looking to take over the game early on.
Yeah, and there's one thing having the tools and another thing being able to actually get in position and use them, right?
How many times have we seen smokes or reads on the map not come to fruition?
Wandering around, going through a twin gate, hunting for a target, if you're unable to connect on these ganks, it's all meaningless.
Yeah, very true. Very true.
So far, pretty even on the mid lane.
Last advice, Denver, is going to be pretty fine against Batrider for now, but is very precarious.
level 3 to level 6 you have to be so cautious not to make a misplay if you get too close to many
sticky stacks you end up getting picked off easily. Nice shackle shot into dive. Body blocks. Ari does
have that foul play but the damage over time and the final touch from vtune levels the field one to
one as they do get that kill in the bottom lane. Two of them are really good at making the most
happen with main ranger always looking for those shackles into harass and then harass turns into a
kill. Quick and easy for them there.
Do move with the mana burn creep.
Self mana aura so he can continually spam in this lane.
Now nothing to try all sorts of different things.
Like soul ring with a lightning creep with something cool we've seen picked up
from time to time.
And we are seeing a rotation with that death by the way.
Oh.
RATP's mid with a smoke to go behind.
Yeah.
Looking for an angle on Mikoto.
Something we see very commonly, right? You die in lane, you don't bottle refill mid anymore, but you do gank.
Usually in the side lane, but coming into mid here to deal with Mikoto.
I think they're calling it, but Mikoto is stepping down, it could be in danger.
In the river.
Smoke broke.
Oh, R.E. can't quite get there, and the TP from Tiny completes, keeping Mirror in this mid lane to fight over the 4-minute runes, maybe.
Yeah, and that just leaves 33 down bottom, having taken a long time of being 1v2, not getting any help.
And yeah, he's gonna be fine-ish, Devour does allow him to farm always, but not a very good start to the lane when Windranger is free-farming.
And how important is it that they try and give this Batrider a leg up?
I think it's not necessarily important to gank towards him.
towards him. Oh he misses the sticky napalm on the tiny.
Camera's just gonna walk away.
Two stacks of napalm on him, Firefly used.
BZM pretty low on health though, doesn't want to go diving too deep under tower.
Hoken Makoto there with four stacks of napalm, should be able to go get the water rune.
Also, no refill for the ember.
Also not that easy to play towards mid and look for kills with him when he doesn't have
a point in flame break. He's gone for more of a farming build, this Max-stick napalm,
Max Firefly, speaks to me that the Batrider wants to accelerate his farm, and Whitemon
also made a move down bottom.
Yeah, sprinting into his bottom lane, but a shackle shot, and Kaori's fiery spirit keeps
them and arms reach away from the Windranger, so Vtune's fine, especially with a wave arriving
under his tower, safe to continue farming.
That's a second rotation that doesn't work out for them, so moves being made but not
too much coming from it for Tundra.
So what does that mean for WS? Timber and a 1v1 against Morphling?
Oh, overall pretty okay for the Timber.
Okay, alright, be tuned.
Nature's Grasp comes out of Weitman, they get the info that they are still down here as 3
and might actually have a clue that this Dire Observer ward is placed in front of their tower as well.
Yeah, Windranger, very unbothered by this as we see supports making their way top again.
Once the Timber hits level 6, he's going to be able to build in Morphling a lot
a lot, then Morphe will have to get creative with either how he stays in lane or if he's
gonna start dipping into jungle.
I guess that's what helps when you're in 1v1, you get all of that solo experience to yourself.
Get level 6 that much faster.
They're gonna toss the tie out of the tree and I think onto the timber if he hits the
timing again.
Think about it.
You'll have to be careful.
Yeah, windrangers like thank you very much for 10-1's charges.
You can play aggressively and basically you zone the doom out of lane entirely while the
supports back in towards mid five seconds before the rune spawns by a scan on that top left so
they're going to contest the bottom rune 50-50 who's the better mid laner bzm there we go
the better zoomer mid i mean that's the skill difference as a mid laner right if you get the
That's the rune where you are.
In to your good.
So much focus in this mid lane.
Ah, he's gonna step back.
This means that Koto's pretty safe here.
A little bit behind the Bat Rider in last hits.
Spent a lot of gold on consumer balls as well.
He could nade the tiny, he really wants to kill him.
He's diving under but...
I'm on by his side. They don't feel comfortable enough to go for the dive again. I feel
Feel like they're trying to kill a lot than make stuff happen mid not having that extra
Catching flame break is a fortunate term. I feel itchy watching this. I don't know if Tantandra also feel this
Requirement, it's gonna get some kills. He will be able to grab the lasso stack up the napalm and kill off mirror
Ancient deny him
Wow.
Mira says no, no, no, no, no, no, but they've got shackles on Makoto, Ember's spirit has
already spent one charge, it's very fire-popped, Napalm stacked up to six, one more touch
from BZM does the trick to find the kill as WS trades out for Ari.
Wow.
Quite some, quite some deny there by Tiny, so yeah, sure, you lose your Ember, but they
also went for the, for the wisdom on the Phoenix as well, so that's the bigger, the bigger
play I think, getting the wisdom.
Whitemore will come back and get his.
So we will have balance still, one for one on the wisdom shrines.
No successful steal.
Down bottom was he a focus fire onto the doom?
He's got living armor on him, but with Tiny coming in, Avalanche, toss up towards VTune,
final flurry of arrows and finish him off.
the javelin will be revealed out of the windranger as Aryan and Whitemon want to get revenge.
The grasp and shackles on Mira are good damage over time but he pops the stick still zapped
down anyway.
Can't be turned not able to help them there.
So far 3-3 Tondra I feel like have done a good job keeping that tempo up for themselves
not allowing Aurora to have the free moves as they would want.
Yeah, I also think the living armor they have panel pointed out the sunray is pretty good
burning away it but also focus fire like it doesn't protect that well against
focus fire because of how the new living armor works the old one sure where
you have constant protection but now the damage block reduces the more damages
you take eventually it does nothing
even they see here all right setting things up for BZM swinging in from that
mid lane down to bottom to get a catch on the windranger now they're starting to
get value out of Batrider. That does give him enough gold to finish his drums. He's
going to of course go for the bongo boots that we always see on Batriders these days.
Yeah, with all his noise, you know, we've had this urn on Ember Spirit delayed quite
a bit. Usually we see this fast urn, get some charges, play tempo. He's just had it finished
off now. A little bit behind the curve as Mikoto, but this is when he'll start to look
to pivot and play aggressively. Even keeping the windranger in the mid to push into tier
Very aggressive, but at the same time it's because bottom is not safe.
Just teeping in down there, bottom.
Straight remnant.
Lasso there, defensively from BZM. Some good damage on the Mikoto, but we know what the outcome is.
The Batrider is dead.
But no push on the tower.
That's a really nice shackle. Yeah, they used to firefly, or used to foxfire already.
The firefly clears the creep wave.
So, not gonna be able to get tower and meanwhile, Kori's picking up the experience down bottom.
And it seems like overall, Parker's Morphling having a pretty good time, very even in that
worth with the Timbersaw, because they have literally been left alone top just to farm
out waves and clear out jungle camps over and over again, cycling through.
And now WS is going to see some ancient stacks for himself to kill off too.
Yeah, this is a game where you can get super greedy on Morphling for sure.
He has Vladimir so already at 10 minutes, being completely left alone.
Mira, he sees the timing and is like, no please.
So much damage over time.
I'm sort of bloke grenade at him, but now PZMC is the wind ranger, Shackleshot on the two supports in the back
That right I'm gonna keep fronting this fight, but with four members of Aurora here. It's not something they want to bite off
Yeah, Aurora putting up a nice defense, but same time bottom tower is being sieged
They don't have any equivalent action happening right now
So tower gotten with very little effort
33 with that soul ring lightning creep like I was mentioning earlier on very good to continually farm accelerate
himself
Got to this tanky state
Yeah, Ari is very close to level six on mid lane as well, and they have a siege creep there
So looking to drop some snakes on mid lane tower would fall easily
So he's doom gonna be the aura buyer this game then um I think you will go for ours
Yeah, Crimson Guard is crazy good against wind ranger
I can only imagine that he wants it and with the soul ring you basically have to go vanguard. He's got it in the quick buy
left for the meantime at mid one two one tower protected somewhat against the
serpent wards well they kept the siege group alive tanking long enough just
barely yeah they're gonna defend it so some damage but not really enough to
threaten the tower fully I'm curious to see when action will come top which team
will strike first top Ari is drawing a line but I think it may just be for the
Hunter Runes
Paroon in 20 seconds
So the reason I asked about the doom was because I had seen previously he had Midas Q'd then Vanguard then Midas Q'd then Vanguard
So it seems like 33 has settled on the Midas now. Yeah, he was he was thinking back and forth. I guess
Maybe he feels like this game is gonna go late game no matter what
They don't really have a line up the ones to look in the game super early
They're morphing and at the same time the radiant doesn't really have power push
So I think the Midas is fine. He probably will go Midas and then back for
Crimson Ward
Yeah, go back for the Auras or even Shiva's she was pretty good
Aurora
They've seen the tree
We keep being away the stun does clip him so white man even though he was back in the trees and nearly made a sneak escape
We've been overspent to finish him off.
There's some serious deforestation.
Portraying protector is gonna fall, but that's Phoenix ulti on cooldown.
That's what you're gonna do if you wanna make a big old pyramid.
That's cosmetic on the Phoenix.
Windranger continue farming back through the jungle.
And Ember spear a little bit behind the rest of the pack, pairing them to the Morphling
and the Timbersaw.
Yeah.
Not tremendously far behind, but...
I'm expecting the BZM battery to farm pretty damn well now, but he has the bongo woods complete as well
He won't be suffering. You see is really low HP now. That's because he had tranquil still now
He's got those unbreakable boots appearance get each 18 HP region constantly
It's a really nice improvement
And it's fun for all the camps
Ari and 33 they're on the map looking for kills first doom gets chucked on the phoenix
That's the doom one more swipe
I'm gonna take over and get some change.
Minus, Devour, a kill here and there.
Doom can farm insanely fast if this is allowed to transpire if he gets to enjoy the lane like this.
And Morphling still sitting top saying, you know what, nobody's showed up here, I'm pretty happy.
No, I'm trying to...
In fact, Batrider is already bodyguarding Parker by playing forward on the lane and burning down Mira.
Yeah, Andro, already 3k lead, 14 minutes in against an Aurora side who we said were looking to play aggressively.
The Raging have been halted for the most part and primarily through the fact that Makoto hasn't been able to leave mid.
He's been sat mid, farmed up the Spirit Muscle, but Tundra making moves everywhere.
Yeah, a little bit late for the Wisdom though, as he got the pick off and went back for the rune.
This does mean that WS will get the rune in time, but BZM still hunting him, has to lasso.
Captain 9 stacks of reactive is chained into them, Sturgeon wards, chained disables, Makoto's
come to try and help out and maybe trade, BZM's pretty tanky though, 19-1 charges, they toss
across with an avalanche there, Makoto's been burnt alive but Windranger thankfully for
Aurora comes in to recover this fight.
They're using their entire team to react to get that map right there, so sure they got
the kill but a lot of space created. Ultimately, BCM doing a good job showing just why Batrider
has been contested 95 out of 100 games here at Wallachia. It's so strong.
Yeah, not much mid Batrider but I guess BCM was one of the pioneers for that hero in the
mid lane. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, currently he's mostly frequenting that off
But you can play it almost identical in mid lane and modern age Batrider is very rarely blink rush
It's much more the bongo boots. He's going back for blink dagger next, which I think makes sense
High mobility on the radiant course all of them right windrun you have remnants you have timber chain
So you need to be able to catch them somehow
They are really climbing rapidly.
Help free that worth, all red heroes.
We're yet to unlock the WS Timbersaw.
They're looking great for Aurora to be able to play in that top lane, but now it looks
like they're giving up control, trying to defend their bottom jungle where WS is now
going to inhabit.
And 33 looks to be more of a self-centered build for now get the DKB going. Okay
Better protection against the timber and ember damage
Yeah, I mean thinking about the doom in general right there was that cool turn in the draft where we were looking Aurora thinking about the doom
potentially some giggled from WS at the tail end of the draft as Tundra kind of stole it away from them and
It looks like a good doom game, right?
Like there's the Ember Spirit and Windranger, Phoenix, don't enjoy being doomed.
Is it too much of a good thing though with the too many Doom targets?
I think you're always happy if there are a lot of them as long as there's not one that
has to be doomed.
And for now, I don't see a big threat on Aurora that like, oh my god, if you don't
doom the Timber he's gonna kill everybody.
I don't really feel that way here.
I think doom is just a, it's an extra resource they have, not necessarily a solution, if
that makes sense.
It's not like a pivotal skill they need to use, it's just a hermetic bonus right now.
Yeah, because as it's damped right now, the Batrider and Morphling can bring tons of damage between the two of them as well.
And of course the lockdown from the supports is pretty immense.
Shadow Shaman and Treeant Protector can hold people in place for a long time.
Aurora trying to limber up and get into position top.
I've been scouted by a Dire Observer Ward, so Tundra just put the White Mon Treeant by that tier one tower.
He can soak up all the gold and experience coming his way, and we're unlikely to die over there,
while the rest of Tundra are playing forcefully through this middle lane with another round of Serpent Wards.
They should have this tier one, so far without any contest.
Yeah, this time no interest in defending that. There is a pretty deep dire ward up top,
so maybe he's calling people over on Watman, saying that he could catch people.
It looks like they're gonna be able to walk away on Radiance, as Whitemon is hunting them.
Parker, 10,000 net worth, 18 minutes in. Very similar stat line to that Lunar game.
Hopefully he'll be able to join in.
Transfer the net worth into some damage and impact as mid lane, BGM's going to trap WS in.
They've got the cat on Ember Spirit. Sunray's not going to help out too much and the Cototus gets blown up.
33 pops to BKB to disengage from the egg. And now Aurora have lost their mid, they've spent their team fight spell.
Mira trying to go for this avalanche toss, Shackle shot good for the Overgrowth is better,
holds them back as BGM turns the fight with Parker and Ari alongside.
They lose the bat but get the Timber and Mira is going to be the bonus kill on top.
Parker into Timber mode, shredding them.
Yeah, this is Tandra definitely having done a little bit of a talk after the last game.
You can see them all bringing every single hero to this fight, making sure to overnumber, outnumber and overrun Aurora.
And it's just difficult to play Ember into all this disable.
Normally it's fine if there's like one or two heroes you have to look out for, right?
If you're playing a Spirit hero, it's like, oh, just don't run next to Skyrath's Silence or whatever.
When you're playing against Rasta, a Batrider, a Doom, and a Trian Protector who can also overgrowth you out of nowhere,
it's hard, man. How do you not get caught?
We need so many items to deal with that.
That's another one of those games where we need Dispels against the Trian,
and you need Linkens and Lotuses against the Doom, and the Shattersharmen.
And then it's like well, what do we itemize against the morphling guys inside the voice when he control we damage
So many boxes to tick he's already feeling like it's too many disables
So already he's going away from the typical ideal build an amber you want to go spear vessel into Shiva's
That's what we normally see
Instead going for spear vessel into PKV and I definitely don't fault him for it. No, but I think this is necessary
It's like that puck conundrum, right? Having to shift away from your damage dealing and your tempo items into this defensive nature build.
You gotta do what you gotta do, but it doesn't feel good.
Yeah, most heroes run into the decision at some point sooner or later, but some heroes rely more or less on, you know, actually going for that damage item rather than survivability, such as the case for puckwork.
case for parkour. Ember is okay with BKB still, but here you might still just get overgrowth
afterwards. We saw King Jungles land some really nice ulti's after BKB, so just
Trim Protector could still solve it, Batrider and Doom as well.
Weimond calculated it, I'm sure. 40 health remaining. Holding a Lotus too.
It's completely fine. He's gonna make his Trankles fix him up, reassemble them.
Ah. First game in a long time. 21st minute, Roshan's alive. He just wanders over to his summer home.
We don't have heroic yet. No 16, 17, and ages. I guess neither team particularly adapted killing Roshan early on.
Yeah, a little bit slower this time, but they do definitely have the potential to take it on either side if they can get control of the area.
Speaking of control barrier the top wisdom the radiant wisdom that is being contested
There is here with a blink dagger
He's gonna be the one to get jumped on by Ari
Defensive shackles and avalanche, but look at these yeah, I'm just gonna grab the tiny dragon through melt him down
Octolava Phoenix did steal at least so they get some wisdom for themselves. Kauri taking the time to farm away
I think you spotted or at least they realize
Ari with all these disables
tons of control
Phoenix and you got wand and supernova, but you don't want to be using your ulti like this to probably don't die anyway
Now okay, correct myself. No, they actually didn't have any vision. That was just them saying you know what?
But the Phoenix did this and then they go and punish him. That was very nice. Good raid
And now they get that kill and that's what they need to get into the roach pit
Yeah, starting Roche. Is this before Iovscar is complete on Morphling?
Would be nice if he had it as well to be just a little bit stronger, but of course with the Rasta Warts
even Batrider is pretty damn good at taking Roche.
It has been scouted by Aurora.
It's not that nice ward near the enemy's ancient area, but...
Ah, it's just the consequences when you lose your teamfight hero.
Phoenix is so important for their big fights.
He's alive now and Aurora are approaching, but Roche is already dead.
They've got a catch on white mon
Chakram damage is good to chop down the tree in BGM is gonna get away with that illusion rune pop and firefly over the cliffs
If you dodge the shackle shot with that, I'm not sure actually
But now with the gem on the timber as well all these
Little bits of vision the tree and protectors planted he can start cutting them though
Yeah, you cannot let tundra get away with building their lead
7k, every couple of minutes, number goes up by one.
You also just know that 33, you know, THE DOOM PLAYER, right?
If we go late game here, he's gonna find those key targets, he always does.
He's really, really good at execution, so I would be very concerned, as Aurora, like
I was in the previous game, about going late with Windranger as a carry.
You basically have the burden to make stuff happen positively for you.
Last game, they mash to make it happen.
I'll see if they can repeat it.
And it's a cat and Ari.
Our kill's a kill. Not ideal takedown.
But they should still be able to get onto that tier one top.
As Ari's smoker revealing right there, he's just understanding
they're probably going to move top.
Always placing themselves between.
Sometimes it looks like feed, but it's also intentional to shield 33
because if he wasn't there, he might get the blink onto the doom,
toss him back, shackle him, he would easily die.
One Daphna support allows Bat and Doom to farm, gets more playing across the map so they can keep on getting back on jungle.
You're playing one lane as Aurora while Undra playing two lanes plus two jungles, maximum efficiency here.
I would probably go as far as to say it's the hardest skill to learn or teach in support role,
is to properly shield your course without feeding when you shouldn't be feeding.
feeding right like when those deaths are acceptable and when they aren't and when
it's necessary it sounds like the Phoenix death in the Roshan obviously he
wasn't like shielding his paws but yeah that kind of thing the timing was yeah
ultimately the reason is so hard is because you need to have a good read
not only of where your teammates want to play and where we're going but where the
opponents are going to be you basically have to have like a sixth sense for how
the game is played by everybody so yeah probably one of the hardest skills on
support role. The Scofield skill. Yeah. He was a pioneer a while ago. He did die a lot,
sometimes too much. He's the Lotus Orb on WS. Doesn't go for the last O, but he's gonna
jump now with the BKB going, grabs the timber, well timed by Tundra, and Parker again into
Timbersaw mode is onto the mirror tiny. Defensive toss not gonna help out. Tundra running rampant
over Aurora now. Look at 33 man, he's using the purge creep, dispelling and
holding people in place. He held the tiny in place and then he dispels the searing
chain with it. It's a very good game to have that creep.
Sad story from Makoto, going from game one, super hot performance, now being
4,000 net worth behind the nearest core. Yeah, yeah, Ember Spirit just grounded.
An Ember is a hero that he can recover from a bad laning stage, but the way he recovers is chaos and fighting.
If you can't fight, then you can't produce things together with your two supports.
Typically it's you and the support duo.
Then it's really hard.
You definitely don't farm jungle nearly as fast as the Batrider does in this game.
And he lost the lane, so...
Again, we see him pairing up, I think.
Trying to do the right thing.
But it is Tundra backing out, playing the fields.
I'm rolling, I'm trying to smoke.
Get into a position where maybe they can find a core farming, look where these greedy heroes
put a dire scan, knows they're moving there.
At least they get a nice rune, they bottle up the DD rune onto the windranger so even
if they don't find someone right now they could have the DD rune for fighting a defensive
objective, fighting on your high ground.
Not sure they can defend the tier 2 top.
It's just so telegraphed, isn't it? Like, no one until now WS shows on the bottom wave, no one was showing middle wave.
So quite obvious that Tundra understand the Roars move to that bottom lane that's happening.
One of the major things about taking enemy towers away and starting to opening up the map is that it comes much more obvious when the opponents go ganking.
If you have all your towers, have all your tier 1s even, it's almost impossible for the opponent to read when you're ganking because the creep waves don't show as far.
The farther the creepers move, the easier it is to see it.
And a struggle Tundra had in Game 1 was the BZM was kind of like
split pushing on his own, getting picked off a lot.
Now he's the guy that's waiting in fog, looking for his moment to strike,
allowing Parker to frontline, play forward on tower.
Sunray, Avalach, not enough damage to kill off Parker.
He hasn't lost his first life, nevermind second.
A kill off Doom though, and WS blows him up.
Aegis expiring in a second now, and Aurora using their time to strike.
A doom on the phoenix keeps him in the fountain, they lost their tier 3 tower and some good damage on the ranged barracks, but Aurora at least defend their base.
Come on Rasta, micro those words, don't just shoot the timber. Get the range racks. You can get something.
But yeah, nice defense, we see the power of the double damage rune helping out there as well.
Good pick, but ultimately Tundra, losing one of their courses in the biggest issue, they have a lot of insurance policies.
You have the Morphling being the big hard carry, Doom in Sanctifarm 2, and then Batrider who, by all means, is going to do a ton of damage as well.
Sanctifling, they can maybe get out on the map and find something more. Aurora using Timbersaw in the front to try and bait them in.
Half HP, Scotty, and Morphling bursting into him. Timbers down, Shackleshot was good.
They kill off the tree as a trade, and the chase is on to the Shattersharman now as Veetune picks up a double kill.
Sub-style pretty fast to them, so decent for them.
A ton of gold for killing off two supports.
Losing temper is a bit painful.
Still not getting the kill they want.
Parker's Morphling.
Untouched this game. Zero deaths.
All they have to try and make it easier to kill him is the Spirit Vessel.
Unfortunately, he has Manta and BKB.
And then, I guess, Worst Case-Nary even as the Doom with the Perch Grip.
That's a doom with Octorine Core now as well.
So it's like BZM is taking up the reins of buying Auras.
Boots are bearing first and into the Crimson.
Giving them that bit of tankiness against the Emperor and Windranger.
Auras are back in their base.
Not really able to approach the map in a confident way without their Timbersaw.
so so key to the initiation of the fight he's the tank you on who front lines
yeah it's tricky Timbersaw has the low disorder which is really really good this
game he basically had to get a low cooldown to spell against the tree
overgrowth but it does mean that he doesn't have like an early aggadamn
scepter or something high damage like that and no blink dagger for mobility so
It's a tricky, tricky game for WS to play.
Not as simple as when he was Brewmaster just running in, not a care in the world.
Tori gets picked off. Quick attacks. Park is damaged.
Pretty scary right now.
Yeah, at this stage you look towards your carry and you think, okay, can my wind ranger kill off
morphing. Realized she has a mjolnir and that's it and this morphing is about to have
I have scottie, butterfly, you know, manta, bkb, it's looking difficult. And they don't
have a doom. They don't have something else so it has to be on the back of like a hex.
Phoenix is securing up a hex. This is basically their way back into the game. Aurora is recognizing
okay we don't have tools to deal with morphing so hex rush on Phoenix to try and mitigate or try
I'm trying to hold this issue in front of them.
It hacks into Tossback into Timber Damage.
Shackle, Focus Fire, everything.
It can happen.
The problem is, if Tundra reacts at all, or if they're anywhere near, then it will be hard to execute that plan.
Just put a Living Armor on him.
Come on, Bartholomew. Just gonna solo down the Tormentor.
33 gets the Shard.
And Roshan has just respawned.
Shire have the tree in advantage with the eyes in the forest so they know exactly what's going on across the map right now
I think they've even seen Aurora approach their own ancients
Cree into Morphling from that top left corner going to Twin Gate
Come back and rejoin the rest of the team and probably play towards this Roche
For now he is farming up top on the Morphling though
But unlikely to be able to kill him without the Windranger, he's got TP and join his team though
coming yeah also think that this time this time Parker doesn't really want to
be caught up alone especially when Roche is about spawn and Ari makes a jump
onto Kari there with low dissolve to make sure the shackles that follow
through
Sunray deter any more advances from tundra tundra doesn't really want to
chase this they are going for Roche right now taking it so no need to pursue
too far.
There's your solo guys in here.
There's a bit.
Pretty easy.
He's hitting 450 damage per hit.
Age is in hand and high ground in sights.
How far away from Phoenix Hex?
Very far still, unfortunately.
He's got 3,100 gold but he hasn't purchased any of the components yet so he's gonna have
to keep farming.
He does have the greedy enchantment on his Whisper of Dread, so basically that's the best possible neutral item right now.
But it's still a good two or three minutes before we have the next round of items for Aurora.
Revenant's brooch, Windranger, Aghanim's Scepter, Hember, and his Hex on the Phoenix all pretty vitally important.
Yeah, I think it's more likely it's going to be Tundra. They get the next wave of items coming in with the Doom Shiva's completing in 150 golds, so he's going to have that.
And, uh, why are both things going? MKB's gonna be here soon, too.
Yeah, exactly. We sell Vlad and Trebs.
That's right, they're closing in on an Oxterine core. There's a whole lot of progression as they use more of the map.
It's just tricky. You see them wandering around on Aurora, but
I think they're scratching their heads, too. Like, how do we pick up anything?
Ember's game being shut down so hard in the early game really shifted how this game was meant to be played.
Because they wanted to non-stop run them over, get some momentum on Ember, get that Chivas and Vessel, and then Morphling won't be able to fight.
That just didn't happen. That tried one mid too hard.
It's been a little while since Aurora been able to get their last kill.
Yeah, I mean, six minutes since they took down Whitemon.
They're sneaking up on the map and getting whatever they can in terms of farm at least but this ages coming down to three minutes
It's gonna be about time that the push aggro so smoke is coming. Oh
I shackles that's a big one coming in there's nothing to stop this currently
They're trying to get there with a lot of souls to maybe get me Koto out
Cast BKB, but still dies while Mira finished off by 3-3
Spencers do and kills the Tiny and now Ember has Bi-Bag. This might just be the last defense of the base that Aurora have here in game 2.
Parker comes in Shreds Kaori. Two heroes with Bi-Bag available as the more things stand to deliver against Timbersaw.
Set him life available with that Aegis as 33 comes in to turn them away.
More thing pretty low. They have a greater healing loader than Rasta. He could pass it over to Fjorn's mana. Of course, Aegis is still here.
and shift down
PPR
He says no. He's gonna hold onto that. That's my lunch money. No
No, Gary, but the inshallah shaman. I picked these flowers. They're mine
Back to a region and the glyph
It kicks in
Yeah, this assemble onto the Vladimir satanic is completed as well
Hopefully it is monstrous.
Good luck dealing with Parker once, never mind twice.
There goes the ranged barracks, L.A. falling shortly after as Parker satanics up off the
creep wave.
BGM jumps, burn, mantidodge.
B-tune disengages, Kaori though, not quite as lucky, has to super-nerve a sunray.
Just to stay alive in the wave form through the avalanche, gets Parker away in time.
And now they can go back in for round two. They've got Doom, they've got Overgrowth and Lasso.
It's just an ages morphing. That's all they're showing. The rest of them sitting back waiting for a chance.
And now BGM, Lincoln's popped. BGM, toss back in. 33 moves forward with the Doombringer.
Looking for Mira. Skadi's slow, clear him out. Shackle shot, they break free with VKB up on 33.
And Skadi's slow there on WS, gonna force him back to tier fours.
They've got a shackle in the backline. This Ember spirit gets picked off.
They're just missing the Windranger. She got doomed and can't really do anything anymore. Had to run back
Our team falls
Parker finally gonna lose the Aegis, but it was about to time out anyway
Piece by piece
Tundra building up for this finishing blow that's a good shot shot into Sunray Parker does drop reasonably low
But he's healed back up to fall sustaining through it all standing and delivering Aurora
still have a lot of firepower with the two-man shot, that's great, they've taken that Parker!
They defended their high ground and onto more. They desperately need to scramble the jets and get onto BZM
but the background is flown over the cliffs and far away.
Finally get out on the map a bit.
Did cost them the ember buyback but with 80 seconds now, Morphling being off the map.
Map control going back their way. This could give them time to finish up more Lincoln spheres.
already saw how the one was pretty useful for them blocking the man over the
last one from Batrider. Definitely showing that they can contend with Parker
when he doesn't have Aegis. They can land those shackle shots in the sun rays
they've got tons of damage. Yeah their burst is good and there's no saving
item on the support so I think maybe expected there would be a four-star for
something but Blinky Ethelans travels on the Rasta and the Trianche has only
only Guardian Greaves, which I guess saves you a little bit, but not the way he needed.
BZM? In the middle of four? That's a freebie that Aurora will gladly take. I mean, we've
just seen how many Bounty Rows Thunder have had with all the map control they've been
able to gather up, but now it's Aurora storming across the river, looking for tier 2s. I guess
he felt confident having BKB and Crimson Guard, but yeah, walked into a lot of Disables and
they just burst him easily.
Long line.
60 seconds without him.
Yeah, this can...
Aurora don't know...
Probably don't care, he doesn't have buyback.
Not like they're gonna go high ground right now,
but they've got a lot of room to wriggle out onto the map.
It does matter, they're gonna go for mid pressure onto this tower.
If it wasn't for him dying, right now Tundra would be able to just
fend him off and fight one by one.
Dying can definitely set back the game a bit.
still on 22,000 gold lead
95% wind probability apparently for Tundra
well what if it's those 5%
yeah
oh there
as a chance
Tundra amassing forces bottom
they've shoved all the way into tier 4 towers
so Aurora have to come back and remedy this issue
Phoenix updates were 1,000 gold away from that hex
it's been working on it for uh
almost half an hour now
yeah
how it feels to be Phoenix but
A few viewers could get him there.
This might be most of the boys dying.
He has to super-nerve to stay alive.
The Doom on the Tiny should finish him off as WS arrives, wanting Ari to put a BKB Shadow
Shaman to the step away.
Park has come on forward.
Lotus Orb already spent.
33 gets the jump and stun, but WS is a bit tanky.
Slightforn.
He goes for the overgrowth.
Now Parky can unload the damage.
Gets onto the timber.
Can't chain away just yet, a couple of chakras with a short jump to a drain but Parker can keep on chasing and Timbers will load himself!
Timber, chain TP, ooooh, and a chain from Parker and the jump on mid, Mikota's found as well!
Oh, that's really painful, Mikota doesn't have buyback.
You're right!
He spent all his gold to get this acronym scepter as well.
They can buyback Timber but not the Ember.
Yeah, I mean he had cooldown anyway, but that also means that Tundra know that he doesn't have buyback.
The tier 3 mid. Parker goes straight for it.
A cliff to delay things here.
Windranger is doing a good ol' Ostrich defense. 33.
He pokes at them, forces Pryback.
Mira, hexed up so he couldn't get the toss on the doop.
Good save by Ari there as BGM comes in.
Lasso's up the tiny, drags him into Parker.
Morphling shreds him down.
Double buyback out of Aurora as VTune moves on to the more plate trying to get that damage into him, but it just tickles
Hey, so tanky. It's a lot of HP to go through. She does not have an MKB yet either
Sure, she has some prop damage got the serrated shiv and the red and brooch, but
Against the butterfly
Titanic scuddy. It's a lot
Buybacks we're expended for this as well
I got serpent ward still
It looks like they want to finish off the mega creeps and then go back to Roche
He has MKB now on Morphly. Windranger cannot stand next to him anymore. He will just fredder
15 seconds before Makoto is back
No glyph for the radiant
He's just darting on PZM with an exceptionally good shackle. They've taken the batter right of down
He's got no buyback, but part from 33. They're on this tiny killing off Mira, dead for 90
Kaori has to supernova, the focus from Parker,
killing off the pyramid and taking it down brick by brick.
Ari in the back being dealt with by Makoto though.
They have lost their Pharex and 33 dealing with his Lincoln floaters,
win-ranging by going to doom the Timbersaw and Parker.
Slow as V2, MKB going to work, WS dead for 110 seconds
and Aurora have to contend with mega creeps.
One last-ditch effort, V2 and Makoto,
they try and poke them back but Ari's here.
Mantle doors, they're runnin' away!
H's grasped, slows the retreat!
Get to safety.
Low HP on Parker.
Doesn't really matter though, they can't quite reach him.
No surprise, power shot to snip him as well as he's gonna go jungle, heal up with the satanic, and come back full HP.
Two dead for 80 and 40.
And Roshan ready to be claimed.
Yeah, they're gonna go and get Aegis.
Saying without timber, no way they can leave base and contest.
Aurora get left and stuck in their base fighting against mega creeps basically pinned in their own home
This is refresh the shard on the roaches well
I'm grabbing six. I can just double BQB
How many items
Shield ruined there at the bottom spot as well
You could do the morphling trick, morph a bunch of strength, take the shield rune, and then morph back again, he's going to do it.
And have like 15,000 health in effect?
Yeah, watch, he's going to go full strength.
Full strength.
Let's see, 6200 HP.
Yep, that gives us a 3,000 HP barrier.
And now back to Adji.
That's pretty nutty.
Yeah, that's a very strong barrier right there.
Did they have a Dispel?
Not really.
No, they don't have any dispels.
Ah.
Mmm.
That will be tough.
They could do with a doom of their own, with a purge creep.
Yeah.
Smoking to base, look at Parker.
The Morph assassin, Ari jumps in with Serpent Wars on Mira, PZM will lasso the tiny,
make short work of the little pebble, as Mira drops, the shackle suddenly is good for sure,
Kaori could damage him to the three cores, but Parker just dives in with a BKB,
forces WS and V2 to fountain.
A hex.
Makoto sent packing as the mega creeps arrive and your buildings are falling.
Wolfling has two lives so don't worry when he drops low he'll fight fountain and make your work hard for this one.
He's in, he's got the mantle style to try and survive here as well.
DG cracks his wall.
The throne is gone, Tundra tight things up, they'll take it to game three.
Man, that just felt like a really painful game to watch.
The early game shutdown on that Emberspeed really just ruined the entire game plan coming
out from Aurora.
You know, Tundra have this late game draft and you're able to play quickly and stop
Aurora from building up tempo.
You look incredibly good as we head back to Shea from the panel.
Yeah, thank you very much.
This was a Tundra show here in game number two, meaning we go to a game three.
We put a lot of pressure on the Batrider for BZM after the draft was done, and teams like
that pressure worked out great, Pigo.
Yeah, just immense pressure from the laning phase.
Sure, there was going to be a couple of deaths in the earlier from BZM, but like his job was
just to open the map, waste TPs from Aurora, don't allow them to set themselves up, and
I think this entire series might be boiled down to, you know, Makoto versus BZM.
Game 1, the Void Spirit broke Thunder. Game 2, the backrider opened up for Parker and
33 to free farm on some of the best heroes that they have available to them. And they
then took over the game they've thrown. But yeah, just feel like the mid lane will be
so important going into game 3.
Man, I'm curious to see the 16-17 looked bad both games, right? 16-17, Ember gets that.
It's super sad. 16-17, Voker gets Void Spirited. Also sad.
I really hate seeing Ember in that pick permission.
Like it's just, it irks me.
So yeah, I think that's what's,
I'm interested to see if like they move the mids to 24
when they're that pick phase,
or maybe they just like pick them first pick
and just try to predict them, their draft.
With, I think probably 24 is like the safe thing to do.
Well, keep in mind, this was a bad rider
that was overall first picked.
It is obviously one of the big four, as we say.
So it is a hero that people are expecting, but I guess most people weren't expected to be on the mid lane.
Yeah, again, BZM unfortunately the stats just make it look really bad for him, just like his Husker, not too good.
Statistically, 40% win rate, he just boosted it up, before that I think he was like 38, 37% or whatever.
So it's just a hero combination you don't see too often, but in this game against the Ember, the way he played the lane, it makes sense.
and it's kind of fun to see a level 30 grandmaster hero be so bad competitively for a player but
again this time around it did work out so yeah I get props to Tundra, Aurora didn't really ever
get anything going for them of course Vtune on the win ranger I think Aurora just did really well
with this hero like he is able to shine but Timber saw whatever entered the game and but
very like clearly didn't enter the game so it doesn't matter if one guy's doing well you need
others to try and support that. Yeah, and if you have a wind ranger that is doing well,
and on the other side you have also a wind ranger, or at least a hero that can be a wind ranger,
doing well, then that does not help, but MVP, well deserved, goes the way of BZM.
And the reason why he is the MVP is because at the end of the game when the ancient explode,
who did 33 tip? BZM. There we go. If he tip Parker, this would be the MVP, but when the captain,
the boss man uses his only tip. The rare compliment. The rare compliment, exactly. Not about efficiencies,
not about improvements. When he uses that tip on a player and it goes to BGM, you listen to him,
and you also reward the MVP to BGM. What if he tips the enemy team? Well, when they get the
uh, it's at the MVP, it's like, it's all of this tips just like well played. Yeah. Very good. I'm 33
and I approve of this message kind of thing. Yeah. Apart from if he, maybe if he tips the enemy team,
It would be a well-played flash die or slash s
After the slash s of an area sarcastic
In an Alingo this guy over here. Am I right?
I try to explain things to him. I mean he just looks at me and
For you're bringing up like random like
I think
Sure, maybe like three black years ago
He's like trying to talk to us about like some six seven meme and then that's still this way
Yeah, I know but fast forward to now it's still there, but I learned because of this
I'm trying to teach him
Then you talk to me like I show speed and stuff bro. Come on like I'm clinging on here
I don't want to know about I'm trying to help you. I'm trying to help you with the zoomer mids best zoomer mid
You just give me MVP, but it
I will say I will say okay. I'm listening. Thank you. Say it loud. It is zoomer on one side. Mikoto is actually 26
Hmm does that count as doing? I don't think it counts as doing. I think you're too old if you're 26. Oh wait
You're a zoomer. Yeah, you have to be
Oh, yeah 29. Yeah
You just there just three years
Yeah, but like we don't
like we do not look okay if the
Twitch chat was to save between
us two like the age difference
three years they now know no way
no way they're spamming three
they're probably spam something
like 10 or at least at least you
know there's no way people think
there's a three-year age gap
between us two okay well there
is and there's a six-year age gap
between BZM and Makoto but that is
the conversation we're going to
have this was first game for
Makoto second game for BZM and
for BZM and there will be a third game to decide, so I need to know, like, who's going to pop up?
Is it only going to depend on who gets their counter pick?
There's layering between what the support's off and how they can rotate to mid lane,
and then of course, then the argument of what is going to be the matchup, right?
Void's out there, he was able to shine, the back rider was able to pressure the Ember,
he was able to shine, so I think, yes, there is the one-to-one matchup,
but on top of that, it's like, what do the supports do?
We saw tree and shaman hug the Batrider after the wisdom rune to then or wisdom trying story to then enable him more
This is so funny the games are so similar but reversed
It's yeah all the the raided dire splits first second pick is flipped the scores are pretty much flipped
It's like it felt like it was a very just like a repeat of the game just with the other team
So I'm mostly curious with the team that gets the second pick as to how they pick their mid
I think if they choose to pick it on 24 last pick maybe we'll get a different game
But the way that they're drafting they're not really protecting their mid and then I think both mids are the type of guy
That's like I'm just gonna be better than you and pick some hero that does better than you and you can't really let that happen
Maybe you have supports that come and like help, but they don't really have a
On the second pick so just maybe just last pick your move
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And we have a lot of data to learn from in those first two games,
and one of the things I want to hear Gunnar talk about
is that Tiny coming out for Aurora.
Yeah, so currently Mira is 0-3 on the Tiny Position 4.
I'm more critical of the Tiny Mid than the Tiny Support,
but I think when you pick the Tiny Support, it needs to be enabled.
I think the best combo we've seen with it is the Shadowfiend.
It's like a very simple, you ever toss a guy,
he dies with the Shadowfiend,
And in the last game, like his score looks bad,
but I think it was because he wasn't like enabled.
He had no one helping him.
It was a lot of, you got to go in and do all this stuff.
And there's so much anti, kind of tiny,
there's like the morphling who can turn him.
There's the bat right around him, stickies.
It just felt very hard for him to kind of have impact.
And I think he's just too good of a player
that when he's struggling,
I think their whole team is struggling.
Yeah, when he saw the shot,
it felt like any move he was there,
he was reading it perfectly.
And, uh, no, I fully agree.
Like that's where at least second phase for Aurora, that the pics didn't
read the combos didn't punch into the game, right?
Now you're picking a tiny, it's okay, but then it needs to have
life like you're mentioning didn't come through.
Then you have Phoenix Ember that you tend to thrives when at least Parker has
the, the kind of the wing condition.
Like when I farm and I will farm, it will hit a boiling point where you
cannot, cannot break me, right?
And tiny Phoenix Ember, you're inviting the morphing, but yeah, it's.
These are some of the combos, but the win rate is not looking too good for them.
No, they're shot.
They're shot on Bristle.
Yeah.
I think for me, Bristle is the off-laner that flies under the radar the most.
There's a lot of these times, I'm like, oh, they need some kind of tanky or off-laner.
I'm like, oh, Underlord or Tidehunter.
And then it's like, a Bristle appears.
And it looks so good every time.
I think no matter the support, it just kind of carries heroes out of the lane right now.
And it's just always really impressive to me that it has so much built-in damage.
100% win rate four times
That's great
Wasn't jikiro available to them. They could have just won the game. They could have picked it instead of the tiny
Yeah, could have done it. It didn't have the stats. Well, they do potentially now
I will say what all these all these ones look very good. Yeah, they do
Again, we made the safe way just way better than the halfling right now who would have thought that let's let off not forget gang
All right, what is the theme here between the combos?
it's not come on guys fire and let's simplify all those are good heroes just in a meta period
and high value regardless more a lot of pics yeah I mean the position fire they're doing
some heavy lifting okay definitely what I was thinking yeah fire elements and okay you
play well and understand. Anyway, Warlock jikiro, it simplifies everything. That of course compared
that to a phoenix, phoenix you could argue doesn't really break the lane, it kind of just gets through
it and then you're playing more on team fight, shard, egg placement, but warlock jikiro you know
your carry is going to have a good turn. I'm not saying a warlock need to pick them, it's just be
mindful that you know tundra they like when they don't get you know broken in the laning phase.
It sounds so simple though.
I love when Dota concepts are like, oh, just do this.
Just pick a really strong five and just win the lane.
Just play better.
Just tighten it up.
Play more clean.
Just take teamfights.
Don't take teamfights when your spells are off cooldown.
To be fair though, the just take teamfights needed to go towards tundra and game one.
They were allergic to wanting to use their ultimate.
They did like once maybe twice and then they won it and they're and then they're oh, oh, well, we did a guy's good job everyone
Let's let's go. We'll be fun. Let's just split push like half an hour and then die
So I think just team fight actually was pretty pretty good. That's helpful. Yeah, you feel like based on that and
Especially the game one and game two go like for tundra that they just needed to do two fights
The concept of why Tundra lost in Game 1 was way easier to fix than maybe the concept of why Aurora lost in Game 2.
I mean as much as we're kind of naming it a bit, I think being able to simplify it to something somewhat generic helps team a lot.
And changeable between games.
Yeah, because I remember back in old days in like solo VP era of like drafting, he would look at a game, they'd lose a game, and it's like, oh, we just need this.
And then suddenly they'd have three or four elements of this very simple concept added to the next game.
And then they would obliterate their opponent because they know, like, oh, X team doesn't know how to split push.
Okay, we'll then just wrap them up ourselves or X team can't team fight.
We'll then add more team fight.
You know, it's like, he would always simplify it.
And that's when they're in their dominant era.
And so it does work if you know how to correctly print.
How to word it.
I think the biggest thing is the coaches how to word it because it's sometimes a bit.
I don't think aggravating, but it's like a it feels a bit bad when they're like just don't do this
It can come across condescending if you don't do it correctly or phrase it correctly, right?
We have the similar pick and ban orders as previous game similar sides
It's the previous game similar first bands that both teams have done thus far
It was the puck that tundra respected at this point previous game and then on the other side shadow fiend and beast master
were removed from the pool. So the main question would be, because it was Batrider that Tandor
picked up first, is that something you're going to address?
I would like to think the draft could be the same up until the second phase, and then Aurora
has to pivot slightly on the Phoenix game, but the tiny one of those here is Woods Change.
But I could see a world where it's first pick back, respond with Windranger,
then you enter the next phase, and then the Windranger did
good it's just she didn't have anyone else to really pass ball her game again I
said this before I think it's a 16 17 is the biggest one for me if you want to
run the tiny again sure it's probably fine so my favorite but I think that
it's fine if it's that's what they want and it's stealing it from the other team
here it is you do the same thing you do that you do wind you open that says of
the war your own 13 you take the ducati 100% what no brief
Well, if you're Tundra, then you win a game and you change it up.
Was there an argument that maybe Tundra was thinking of like tree going up in priority for Aurora?
So, yeah, they take the tree themselves.
That leaves the best for Aurora.
Of course, but then you're also now expecting in the next phase, Aurora, are they really going to only ban, let's say, a shaman?
Then Tundra is going to get their tree-shaman combination, potentially the next phase, they'll be happy.
And the roar then goes straight away for the Timbersaw, I mean of course on paper it makes sense being able to kill off the trees
Have a good lane, yeah exactly nothing too complicated
Previous game we talked of course we talked a lot about Batrider
Being very good in that game, but the other person we almost gave MVP to was Parker on his morphing
I want to know what makes morphing and what makes a good morphing game
because
That looks super strong, and I think Aurora should be mindful of it.
Free farm in lane, where you know you're going to be fine.
And also match up so you know you cannot die.
Like, you want your morphing player to play the limits.
You see Ember, Phoenix, Tiny.
You have a good body to steal, and you'll never really get in combo down.
So once you get to like Vlad's Manta, you can turn up to fights and feel good.
In team fights, or in line-up, sorry, you'll always feel like I need another item.
I need this, I need that, but...
It's just weak heroes against them often
The biggest thing as well for the morph is it's like in the last game
It looks so good because he's had so many heroes to turn into there's a basically you click all on three different targets
You're happy. It's just quick tough. Oh, whoops. I'm accidentally when we're in Joakai. We're gonna play the fight
I'm I'm member. I'm tiny and I think also it's just the ability to
Have your team help you just commit like having random casual stuns or random slows
because Morph doesn't have that outside of the old but it's like in the last game felt so easy from the hit targets
I have another question. Yes
So far every single game we've watched in the second phase Aurora has banned Mipo
still in the pool now is
Timber already preemptively countering a Mipo or is this something that Tundra is gonna want to get?
I'd argue if only Timber is there. Yeah, they can Mipo. Okay, if it's
Timber and another couple could have grounds the spells and it can be maybe a slight deterrent, but
Because it's 18th pick 14. Yeah, they could meet though it's just I don't know sometimes even versa roller. I think
Team struggle with this having to ban the meat though. Mm-hmm currently. I think with all the strong heroes
In my opinion if you want to
Oh, that's a Hember, okay, Hember Caudle.
I think genuinely, if you want to ban the Nipo, you have to not ban, like, three to four of the broken heroes you're banning in the first phase.
Like, Largo, T.A. Shadduffin, Beast.
Genuinely, ban, like, the Nipo, ban the Tiny, and ban, like, two random heroes.
Like, some people would ban, like, I've seen this actually happen in Torrents where they want everything in the pool.
I think Estini used to do this. He would be like, we're banning Orc Warden Techies.
Just heroes that aren't relevant to the draft won't be picked because you want everything in the pool
Because then it forces a trade one way that a one team is happy, but now it's like yeah, Mipo is pretty good here on 18
And it's surely on their radar it is getting better and better I see Phoenix
Mipo again. Yeah, but the thing with Mipo is
As soon as you get the axe timing
Some of the the old counters don't mean anything anymore unless you perfectly combo them down
Before you actually get the mega me for off you do get to just take over fights, right?
All right, imagine he gets revenge right now and Makoto picks the bat
Yeah, his bath still in forgot about that part. So he just lost ever to bad now. He's like, all right run it back
Slight difference though because keep the light will be playing into mid lane as early as possible
So you're going to expect a level six keeper like after minute seven with solar bind with an ember spirit
constantly pumping out
damage and
That might annoy Makoto's pick slightly also Makoto
Hasn't really played Hasuka competitively only one game in 2018
So some people might be going oh, I'll just break the house got break the lane. He doesn't play it
So thunder trying to call it that or if he has he's saving it for a special day
Yeah, I game five
You know very good change you guys well
always listening
Anything else that sounds there's like a necrophos which is like
Okay, like I'm trying to think like the anti-amber heroes, but if you give it to you
Yeah, I don't know viper is probably on the better end because it's not too hard committal
Where's like the necro is?
Getting in that sketchy territory
But that doesn't mean that you don't have good lockdown, Charlotte's your only stun.
So to try and counter the Ember and Lane, you will trade other elements of your lineup.
Okay, I like this. It's a carry that makes Ember's life really sad.
You can shield off the chain, so his early game aggression is lower. Also, versus the Keep of the Light and the Tree.
You also wall by Manta, you have your ults, you have so many different, like, dispels that this is generally probably top three, like, most of all I'm curious to play Ember into.
And I think another bonus is Timber is actually a pretty good lane for Siamber if they want to do that.
Sure, I think WS is like an amazing Timber, and it's not super likely that he gives it up, but I think it's a Timber favourite mid-match-up.
I'm always entertained by seeing anti-mage banned, regardless of if there's space for me in the draft.
There's nothing more tilting than curing up a pub, seeing a teammate pick Mathucer and anti-mage is not banned.
And it was Aurora that admitted that they forgot about it.
in this matchup in this matchup that's very fun they'll forget about it you
can't it is impossible you would think it's impossible but it would they were
looking what I just mean like though to win
I think it has to be some absurdly high winner of the anti-mage so one-sided
and Aurora they've displayed like a lineup that is going to
need a bit of time to get online and that alone is an indicator of we can't pick
the Medusa you're not really threatened by Timmasaur
you're not really threatened by the support duo you can also down the line
get a shard and bags if you really want to. This is such a good doosup. It's really good.
It's so good for Timber because one of the nice things that Timber does is the slow on his alt
which is based on how much health you're missing. Doosup is always 100% health so it doesn't do
anything and just like the laning stage you kind of like outlay him and then also your support is
keeper of the light. So you have this kind of mana battery that's just permanently feeding you so
you have infinite health effectively. And normally in these lineups you go okay so you break the map
You try and take away the triangle you need to do these motions to stop the Medusa getting to her like two or three item timing of
She's online, but they don't really have the tools to do that
Like it's shaman and timber versus the world. Of course, there will be a 24 pic
You said maybe mid timber whatever it is that hero has to stop the ember from playing the game
Yeah, but then you're also fighting to an ember chile in mid, right?
It's gonna be the keeper lights gonna show up the trees gonna show up
It is hard for any mid hero to kind of pressure into that just because of the nature of the heroes
I've got a suggestion
Okay
For for the for the put the Timmer mid they put the Abaddon off lane
They put Wind Ranger carry build the Fusils
Not multiples
Yeah, it could work. Yeah, I don't know if there's any others like what other solution do you have to deal with the Medusa in particular?
Tundra then picks Centaur, and now this will fall apart. This is a casual Centaur.
Sure, but they, it's overall last pick, they pick the Bat Rider anyway.
Oh, surprise. That, oh, that's... Okay, my suggestion.
Yes. A little more simple. Yeah. Tide and Drawflip.
You buy Pipe, which is good for all these heroes. You have this, you have the self-dispel with the
Blubber. The Anchor Smash is really good for Deucea, because she already kind of like lowers her
damage with the split shot so you're lowered even more.
Banker smash gives them a body, gives them kind of like pseudo catch with dead in the
water.
It's not like a stun, but it just makes it a hard target.
I feel like Batrider playing into this will have such a hard time finding lassoes when
you're playing into an Abba, you're playing into a Tidehunter.
Probably a Lotus is going to be on the Timber or...
Yeah.
I kind of want to punch you.
room timbers mid then it's like I want like the the dark zero look the pipe
buying with a bit of park you have to think about your item slightly but I
even don't even like that I just the Medusa pick region complicates things but
are we all on board with monkey king now we know Mickey can play it
it's a mid lane how is Makoto's monkey it's gonna be probably very good I don't
assume if you're picking it on 24 knowing you're playing into an ember an
an old-school matchup. I don't see it too often nowadays though, so clearly across the
pros the matchup isn't as spooky. My fear is Kotl is going to go mid early, so you're
going to have the mistrans being applied. I don't know if it's as good of a monkey
v embo because of all the other elements in play.
I don't like this. I have a very bad feeling for a warrior's draft. I think they get to
some point in the game where they start snowballing like they do win the lanes, they play fast,
they slow down the doosa and they get the snowball, yeah, they can win. But I think that's just an
easy thing to say about most drafts. You're like, oh, they get the lead, it's all good. But getting
there, I think it's so hard for their draft. The monkey vs. umber matchup is, honestly,
my kind of, even now, monkeys have been nerfed so much that I, even if you kind of do really
bad as Ember. It all takes his one slight change. The monkey will die to any TP because he's such a
weak hero nowadays and the game falls apart. You also have the Batrider versus it. I think that
Deuce is going to free from top. I think Ember is going to free from mid. I think you have a
Batrider. You have 33 Bat no matter what happens to kind of his games. He's able to find farm and
like cut the waves and Abba's not a carry that pressures him. Phoenix isn't a hero that pressures
him. But what if? Mikoto, right? We talked about mid lane being the theme of this series. Sure.
Monkey does be ember right he goes to the old playbook. He's able to do it buys the diffusel gets time
Abaddon gets man to radiance and whatever the do so can't do this damage because you've got monkey and an abba scaling
There is a world where if monkey does the job that is meant to do on paper
We could see overall repeat their draft
But I think tundra it's just a lot of comfort and I can't just seem to do so just full chill if these things don't happen
I just I don't I don't really like what we said earlier that ember was gonna have a trial lane in the mid lane
I mean, is that going to be the same for the monkey king?
Is he going to be able to count on help?
You're going to need all the sports med.
But Emma's going to be calling Kotel med.
It's going to be a 3v3.
I like six minutes in the game.
It's just that those 3v3s usually don't really
like favor the monkey.
They favor the ember.
So it's just terrifying.
A lot of things to think about.
And I'm sure that KP has thought about everything.
He's starting back with slacks right now.
Absolutely, Schieber.
You know it.
We got the big thinker here, Mr. KP, coming in yet again.
This is a kind of a scary draft to me at least maybe I'm dumb, but I saw that Medusa and I went oh shit
I mean seems like a pretty strong hero. Would you say that's the scariest hero that they have on theirs or do they have someone better?
Not really. I think
Ember Koto is more scary
Good combo, but I think we're ready for it. Yeah. All right first pick Timbersaw coming out there kind of
Interesting obviously is a flex pick could be mid could be off lane was that kind of the idea keep them
I'm guessing are both your Timbersaw players as good?
We have three Timbersaw players.
Who's that? Who's the third?
No, my carry.
Okay.
Yeah, you guys gotta watch out when you're dropping and getting sus.
The carry Timbersaw could be coming out?
Yeah, for sure.
Jeez, I hope not. Good God.
Alright, alright. Let's get a little bit serious here as we go into this one.
Do you think that there's one thing that you could have done better in the draft?
What would you have done if you could have re-did that draft?
The draft was perfect, the coach did a really good job, and it's all down to the players
gameplay 100%.
So if this is lost then it's up to those damn players that gotta get their shit together,
right?
You know it.
You know it, baby.
Alright, well let's see if those damn players can get their stuff together with Mr. Wakabagaga
and Garret.
Thank you, Jacob!
As we head into game three, elimination on the line with one game remaining here in
the lower bracket and KP there saying he would have gotten away with it too if it
were those damn players doing draft. No good chance here for Aurora but he's a
very all-in very risky with this monkey king who hasn't seen a lot of success.
Yeah we have a pause for Ember to reconnect he has the monkey bug right now
if you're not familiar it's the thing where he just T poses on you and you
can't see when he's last hitting so he'll reconnect and then he'll be fine
generally that fixes it. Annoying when your opponent just starts aura farming and
You really have a good aim.
Sliding towards you, taking your last hits.
Fortunately, there is a quick fix.
And yeah, the draft is perfect.
The players are now in position where they have to solve it simply.
I think the Monkey King is going to work, to be honest.
I think, like this, the mid matchup against Ember, it is favorable.
Even if Monkey King was nerfed to some degrees, I don't think his lane stage is that nerfed.
He even has better BAT now than he has before, you know, if you go back a little bit and I think once you get Dingu going, you should be pretty fine.
BZM though, doing a great job disconnecting these creeps, gonna secure the hit, at least gets all the melee creeps.
Yeah, pushes the wave, then plays forward on the tower, drags the next wave, so a little bit of tech there.
As Kaori is first blooded down bottom by a keeper of the light.
Light beats fire? Is that the rock paper scissors we're going for here?
Yeah, I'll Gandalf beats the Balrog.
Is that what happened?
Spoilers. Come on, man.
Terribly sorry.
I haven't finished.
I think this lane is hard for Abaddon to be as mobile.
Batrider is always going to look to do stuff like he's doing right now, just cutting creeps,
and Kautos is super fast as well.
So it's a little bit difficult.
Abaddon will be free farm, but he can't really interfere with all these shenanigans going on.
So another story here of Aurora looking for this laning phase victory,
while Tundra is ploying with them somewhat,
Running around, killing off Mira up top with that final projectile of Parker.
But at least WS does have Wave arriving and the kill on Whitemont.
Yeah, getting himself some kill on Timber is going to be important.
He needs to get stronger in this game so that we can see some momentum coming out from him.
But that's the only way that this radiant draft is going to work is by them overrunning and taking out the early towers.
There's no way that you want to go slowly into a game against Medusa, it's going to be so tough.
The Aurora wanting strong lanes in terms of saying we're not playing lanes.
He was dragging waves behind towers, farming backlets through the jungle.
33 getting a lot of value down south, while BGM has kipped up in the last hit department.
10-1 against his monkey from opponents 11 or 12, and 2.
33 having taken all the resources, goes back home, refills and will return.
Got some good farm for him at least, and then he's going to go away.
And they got that small camp pull up top, some good harassment on Demira.
Nice route there, Parker throws the arrows in, but a blood grenade and WS's Chase pushes them back behind their tower for now.
Overall, this should be a stronger lane, I would say for Timbersaw, Timbersaw and Rasta. Sure, the Trian Protector and Medusa are very, very strong, but fighting-wise, fighting into Timbersaw when you're a tree is just difficult.
And now with the mid lane, level 3 on Makoto has this last hit advantage by about a wave and it's gonna get
Stronger stronger from here on out right hard up a BGM to actually stay
BGM making an adjustment on the lane as well. You can see that he went for boots first instead of bottle first
This is what you want to do when you have a really really hot unfavorable matchup
You just adapt to make sure that you have some mobility boots and branches
Pull themselves up by the bootstraps quite literally yes do what he can in that lane
Well, it seems like 33 on the way back to his lane farms through two jungle camps.
So really supreme efficiency from the Batrider.
Giving some time for the coddle to get some farm in lane meanwhile he was gone.
33, he's not really back to his lane, he's back to behind the lane of course,
because who wants to fight against an Abaddon when you're playing Batrider?
Yeah, Abaddon, one of the better heroes though, kind of farming under his own tower,
can tank up a ton of hits, not really bothered by anything.
And this is a game where, like the panel was saying, we've got Abaddon here against the Bat,
and the Trian, so he's got the Boratime and the Shield to be able to disengage from some of Tundra's spells.
Yeah, it's a good value pick for sure.
Parker, dived, healed up by one and Lotus there, but still shackled up, even under his tower, taking the brunt of the damage from Peori, Mira and WS.
Little bit surprised that he didn't see a TP from Caudal, maybe to give him Chakra Magic, but Caudal feeling busy down bottom, getting some pulls going as well.
Nice move overall by Phoenix, recognizing that if there's no lane bottom, I'll just go and do whatever I can on the side lane.
Go through that gate.
We're expecting the tri-lane to start brewing mid-lane as well.
Potential movement in there in the next minute, when the active rune starts spawning.
But for the meantime, Mira has tracked back onto BZM, trying to contest him as he pulls these creeps across into the river.
Oh, stand up, put a little boglet.
Tendral's thrown at him.
I think he's going to TP back mids. Too many creeps that would die to tower otherwise.
That's up his rightful farm. The air to the mid lane.
His timing is really going to be the defusal from mid lane though. Mikoto, for now, Jesus,
33-1 of his stack. Fat, bat!
Dropping Guano everywhere. It's a mesh down his bottom left corner.
Yeah, it's been eating good.
Frankel boots ready to unlock whenever as well to get his HP.
BGM? The creeps are hitting him.
Shackles not going to be able to finish him off.
He thinks there's high ground walls there, but Mira has been sat here for about a part of two minutes.
Exactly. It's a little bit off to the side.
Off on the left side.
Nice play by Rasta.
Just interfering with Ember, slowing down his level six. That's really gonna be the timing.
I think the mid monkey has worked out so far, the fact that he's level 4 on ember and monkey is about to hit level 6
making it sound very sensational as ember also is level 5, so he's one level behind.
Yeah, it's not as disastrous as it used to be, right?
Even in recent history we have these monkey buzzers, ember lanes go really poorly, where ember has like 7 last hits and monkey has 40
Recent times we've got these lane drags, supports, water runes, everything
adding up to make life a little less difficult.
People got better at understanding you just buy boots and pull creeps somewhere
and the opponent has to either ignore you or connect the creeps
and that's literally their two place, they can't really chase you.
So, Mikoto has done the best he can on mid.
Here's a tri-lane though.
Three heroes for Aurora with the catapults onto this tier one mid.
Ari and Ember paired up, but no sign the Trian's gonna be joining. Seems like Whitemon's job is just to tend to Parker.
Yeah, for now that's all his focus. One key in thinking about joining him for the wisdom. Not gonna go over there just yet.
33, there's a wraparound behind him who supports in from behind,
straight towards glorious Batrider. Got the boots, the drums.
Summoning, there's a lot of damage towards Kaori, but he sidesteps it.
Double wisdom showing for Aurora smooth move and using their early game power spike
Get that advantage in experience and call us only level three so he will be stuck pretty low level in this game
Let's go Cardi go to
You'll get him next time Gareth. I told me it's actually killed right next patch catapults do double damage to curious
What is this? Where's their car parked here?
He's going on over there.
BGM's tipping mirror. I guess another aggressive move in towards that top jungle.
Ember's going to be able to slip away though and get back safely.
Yeah, they're trying to take the mid tower using three heroes essentially and then also being efficient and get some stacks.
Tower damage is not the best without the Rasta words though, so Ember should be able to just clear this. He's about to hit level six.
So right now, Ember is the net worth difference. The gap between him and Monkey King.
And it's what's given us Aurora a mild net worth lead eight minutes in.
And do you think this is enough that they've been able to get out of this monkey pick?
Or am I too linear in thinking it's just the lane matchup?
The lane is one thing, but to me the big timing is going to be the fusel
and when he starts moving around looking for Parker.
One of the big strengths of Monkey is his mobility, his gank ability.
So I want to see how he's going to do there
before I can really say whether it was the correct pick or not.
as he's in on top of Ari, off health monkey, a little worrisome that he's all alone there
because Aurora has sent all of their forces to that top area of the map,
keeping the Abaddon going to the Twin Gates, joining and then returning to bot, cleared out.
Heads back to his lane. Meanwhile, Batrider also farming a lot, going towards the bongal boots.
can be very useful by the way boots are bearing is extremely strong against
monkey king ulti just a reposition to your team it's not just for yourself but
for everyone else to be able to get out of that as fast as possible dive in from
karaoke I'm more reveal why one stands next to his own centric here one tower
still alive surprisingly enough with that living armor of course helping out
They can actually amass their heroes on ground sliding in behind. He's on the tree, they saw each other?
The deuce is coming in, but the tree ends the first point of contact.
Wukong's command zones Parker to the right.
Ahri's here in an awkward spot as 33 wants to fight back.
Makoto shielded while White one's burnt down.
P-Tune level 8 pops the ulti.
Borre time going and back to half health while the shackles connect on the Bat Rider now.
Burned by the Chakram and the Sunray from the Phoenix.
Ari in trouble as Mikoto gap closes on the cuttle, but the speedy Gandalf
Down to Shadowfax and hide in the tree line. Ember's gonna be fine monkey king. Oh the coddle though
Very nice connection by Mikoto. He led all that he initiated and follow up by the Abaddon
Sailing him with the Aphara Shield because otherwise he looked like he was stuck on an island
Unable to lifesteal from anybody, but then he gets shielded in the ninnika time
And no room, no quarter, nothing here for Tundra, even jumping back to get the haste room to stop BZM from refilling.
Yeah, a very big part of this game is going to be room controlling as well as Ember.
We saw how hard he can get shut down. If he does not get to have successful fights, the same could happen in this game with this Ember.
And in particular, when Medusa does not want to produce fights or go and do anything active anywhere, he will have to rely on the supports only to fight with.
And of course 33 from Duffling.
Right, Mon is on bodyguard duty.
Trying to keep sentries observable, even his own body
in front of the Parker Medusa, to make sure that no one's going to come and kill him.
Parker's not allowed to die more than once.
Yeah, he's had his one death already.
Exactly. He's rushing towards the Mantastyle, which is very, you know,
Very, you know predictable. It's gonna be the correct build as well. He's playing as the phoenix
He is Medusa basically enough to go man, but this batter I did though man farming ancients clearing camps 5200 net worth
9 stacked by tundra down. I think 33 took most of them
He's been very efficient about how he plays the batter really an instructional game for anyone who wants to learn how to play a
Hard lane because he basically had an unplayable lane leaning into Abaddon
and he is still the top farmer on his team, so super impressive how he handles these situations.
Sacred Tundra Backrider.
Chikakar.
Whitemon, keeping an eye on WS who's pretty low HP over here on the ancients.
Seize the TP out of WS, stops it, and that guy's 3-3 into position.
Very low HP, Timbersaw, I mean, he's just dead!
Just a casual little boop, get rooted.
Now we're down to level 6.
Lotus Pool with BZM nearby, Kaori has supernova to play with alongside V-Tune.
Badden would rather not pop his ultimate here, but it's forced out by 33 and Kaori with no dive available.
That's the supernova.
The clicks will come.
Farka, BZM, right click it down.
Easy as you like, two kills in a row.
Even with cooldown on the boots of varying, they still just power through and auto attack down the egg.
So a lot of things backfiring there after timber game caught out even bringing over the apodon and unable to fight
All the stats. Oh, you do not want them to take this. Is it you see?
V2 and try to spend his shield to deal with it, but it doesn't have borrowed time anymore
Shield to get rid of the chains for the chasers in barra to the lasso again onto v2 blowing up the abaddon
A TP from Kaori, WS bound up by the Overgrowth, Tundra overwhelming Aurora with numbers, blowing up another core, Wukong will zone them out but Makoto can't give chase, they've got Mira locking up to White Lawn, killing off the tree, but a triple kill for 33!
Shikaka!
is why this Bat Rider has been such a scary hero in draft.
Also a big part why Ember is so strong, right?
He also didn't have an item.
Like Monkey was close to his diffusel.
Ember was close to nothing.
He was like,
Yeah, just base boots and an urn, that's all you need.
Just run at people, the spells are strong by their own right.
Yeah, it's a thousand net worth behind, but it's fine.
Like, is that his first rune of the game?
Double damage.
Easy, I'm very happy to grab it.
And a three-man smoke.
Triant Cottle, not the most notorious ganking duo, but when it's an ember spirit as a third
hero, the lawnmower effect with the living armor, the chakra with all the spell spam,
it is pretty annoying.
Yep, yeah ember just has to be careful about the Rastai into monkey king as well, other
than that he's pretty fine in this game.
So not as scary as the previous game where we saw like tons of disables and a near unplayable
ember game.
This one is pretty fine. The disables aren't that great on Radiant.
The Koto's chasing. Diffusal Blade being shown off.
Bottom lane, a badden being gone on.
S33 is all locked up, taken down by the Chakrams.
An overgrowth though, coming after the borrowed time, forces the shield and supernova.
Parker gonna give it the clicks. Plenty of attack speed there to finish it off.
But WS gets a double kill as he appears in the bottom lane to slice down Whitemon.
Kills, that's Ryan's center happening here, but very nice for Parker to be able to get involved, get some kills, and then back to farming quickly.
Amber can jump away, but he gets caught.
Oh yeah, Miro, waiting. Laying the trap to get onto BGM and this defusal plate, biting through all his mana, so maybe we got through the disables.
He didn't have any mana left anyway.
Oh, so two heroes I said he has to watch out for, Gareth. Why is he playing into those two?
I don't know!
Or is it them playing into him?
Yeah, the observer will definitely help in that top area of the map.
I think they're signaling now.
There's vision around.
A good turn in pace there for Aurora,
because it had started to look like Tundra
had had their number for the past couple of minutes.
Now defending bottom lane,
playing aggressively at the top,
they get some nice kills.
They do have big power spikes coming in.
Or if they have connected on those power spikes,
the items that I mentioned earlier
complete for Aurora now. So next Rust awards, they could even think about going for like
a Roche attempt and control on the rune this time, so Ember not going to be as lucky to
get another one.
And the map is pretty steady for them. They're really pressuring to this rated side of the
map so they've got plenty of room to go back and farm. The radiance of that badden now
able to clear out jungle camps much more effectively to get him in towards that mantle style which
Kind of was saying adding another dispel another way to get through overgrowth means you can man to yourself for a time
You're self obviously and then shield someone else when they laugh so yeah
We actually had a talk in the green room earlier. I think it was supposed to mean Connor
I can't remember who but we talked about the the radiance
Abaddon being so nice, but then not seem that man to start to follow up in previous games. Yeah, yeah, I cast
It battle skitter went blink right? Yeah, two times
I think we saw skitter go for the blink dagger instead of mantas are I still think mantas super gonna have on
uh despite it not applying stuff
are you all right very good here searing chains yeah i mean this this is the
dream game there's too much to dispel
spirit vessel here it earn and solo bind on him the shield is gonna
delay his death supernova used tundra surrounding the egg and once
Once again, the three-four eggs in a row from Kaori just being clicked down.
Well, V2, Baratimes expended defensively.
Monkees here, Searing Chain though.
He's gonna Wukong's to try and hold onto this area, Zone Tunder, away, but they've
dropped the Monkee to half HP already.
The Illuminate over the Solar Bind, he's going to change the guard, jump to a statue,
Hex up there, controlling BZM, Shatter Sharman, can't quite get in range though to continue
the stuns.
That's the last of looking for someone.
9-9 though. Not really a net worth lead in it, so we're heading into this mid game. Dead even!
I'd imagine Park is Madusa pretty happy with that.
Yeah, he's definitely not feeling bad.
18 minutes still free farming, only died the one time and towers haven't really toppled over.
So they're in a good spot. Like I said though, Radiant have a lot of options ahead of them. They could think towards
towards Roche, I think they should definitely play the top area still though with the tournament
responding. Instead it's Parker, they want to get him. Not the easiest. Ah yeah, it's
a defensive ward, he sees everybody. That's all five of Aurora down here. It's not just
that one defensive ward, there's also one further back near the lane. Yeah, exactly,
they have good vision down here in the bottom part of the map. But also now they've been
love to set up on the top part of the map, so they are holding on to the Tormenter possibility.
Both teams with observer vision up in that Tormenter area, but it's going to be Aurora who
take that tower with the Serpent Ward's head back towards the Twin Gate, they're playing into top left.
Tundra are fully aware of what's happening, I think they're okay giving up the Tormenter as
long as they keep getting free farm, they're closing in on that Eye of Scotty build over on the side
of Medusa. Gonna be really good against the healing heroes of Radiant. All their
course rely on healing and they have Phoenix as well with the Sunray. Even
smoking. Medusa's gonna join them. 20 minutes in, definitely one of her peaks.
Swabbitle is pretty isolated. Deering chains after the shield, barotide being
held. He'll pop it and get back to full HP. Loses his career though, that was
Yeah, sure. That's down for a while.
Roshak, they're yeeting the Batrider across.
That's a sacred animal.
You're not meant to do that.
WS, trying to hold ground here, but the overgrowth comes in.
Ah, Shannon Sharman, bound up by BZM,
gets up to three in the back lines while 33.
He's being shredded by Makoto and the Wukong's command,
trying to get over the clip tops as the Supernova's being focused.
The battle's struck not enough to hold them back.
They trade out two for one.
Aurora two supports down, but their full retreat mode now
is Tundra taking control of the area.
And Tundra in control, they're still on hot pursuit though.
Monkey King wants to fight even more, don't want to give up this area for free.
They do have their course, but without Rasta and Phoenix, the disables are pretty low, it's just partner strike.
Risky business surely from Makoto jumps on the treetops leaps from the canopy gets under Parker
Oh, the backup is here from tundra though. Healing up Park is Medusa turning on Makoto
The park of do so low on mana being burnt down but healed up by everything. They've got the chakra magic lotus is one
They're living on a keep Parker alive
What are you doing?
Hard committing on Medusa with no disables there and all of them just allowed to do whatever they want to protect
Did you see Ari standing above? He has the Holy Locket. He was just holding it saying guys, she's not dying
I don't need to use Holy Lockets. He throws it towards the very end
But that was a massive massive bleed out for Aurora
14,000 net worth now on Parker
He's only allowed to die once. He's had it. That seems like he doesn't want to die again
I mean at this point all of them are having a good game as well
The Batrider is the second in net worth, so even in a game where he had a on paper difficult lane,
33 is looking like he's going to step up in this game.
And look at him, bad vision. The Trian spotted this monkey king from miles away.
And Medusa the turret just stands her ground.
The blinding the route. They even pushed away Apidon and routed him away from Medusa. Incredible.
Yeah, lotuses, holy lockets, wand, everything there, dumped into Parker's doosa.
That's an undersold of all DLs as well, you know? Lotuses here, tundra, the more they gather up, the more effective this Parker guy is.
Yeah, I mean, any bit of resources they can find on the map, healing Lotus is very nice to throw onto him.
Now they have a Yule Scepter on the Keeper of Light as well, so he can maybe just lift up some of the DPS heroes if they overcommit.
Or if Abaddon ulti triggers, he can just pass the Yules on him.
Also, let's not forget V2, that fight started in his top river at the top rune spot.
By him getting caught, losing his courier, Yasha, was basically quite cool there.
Yeah.
Still trying to scramble towards his mantis style.
Aurora, 7k deficit against Tundra at this point, trying to feel a little worse for where.
And unfortunately, Mikoto, it just doesn't feel like this thing is happening where you went refusal first, you want to counter Medusa, but you have not been able to have a chaotic game with non-stop fighting and brawling.
And how many times has he actually been allowed to hit the Medusa too much with this diff? It's like once or twice maybe he's been on her?
And if you don't get to if you don't get to hit the Medusa then the diffu loses a lot of value
And there's Aurora build up BKB on monkey King Lotus on this Timber saw banter on the abaddon some of these defensive items
That should allow them to sustain in these teamfights. We're looking at back closing in on BKB
Medusa has finished off the Skadi and is already working on her next item while ember has caught up tremendously
Seriously, Amber's ahead of the monkey in that worth.
By 80 gold, but he's still ahead.
I mean, he's been involved in 11 of their 15 kills.
It's always been Amber part of the action.
A blink dagger, but it's Amber's thought.
Should at least be able to get in on top of people,
maybe find the cots or a tree and playing from the trees.
Terrory grabs the haste room.
So he's pretty speedy, but Serpent Wolf
dropped by the mirror shadow shaman in the back, and the sun ray onto arig and a burst through the cuddle
self-yawls and the lotus
unlock it by some time, trading out pos4 for pos4
monkey king double bound and strike in the back
he's on the bat rider with a lotus pkb, makoto felt pretty safe
but a stone gaze and a lasso now coming in, makoto has been dragged back into parkour and bzm
wukong's wasted
no way to hop away for him, just held in place for too long
33 patiently waiting out that loader's orb and then no way to escape.
Another fight that looked like it might be good but then perhaps Monkeying
overcommitting a little bit on the low ground there. The rest of his team
bit too far away to really help him with the Batrider.
Simultaneous pings on the Lotus Pool. 33 in B's Yammer like, guys,
guys, Lotus is spawning, there's a couple in the pool over there.
Yeah, also Medusa obviously getting super strong, she's about to hit this
Silverch, but I'm just looking at the Batrider and getting concerned at BKB, boots are bearing, pipe.
Soon to have a blinked aggro so he can actually choose his targets too.
He has had an incredible game.
From the very beginning, doubling up on VTune.
This yule's in the catch, forces early manter.
He's holding shield, borrower time popped, this is troublesome for Aurora.
They need WS to come in to bodyguard and protect.
There's a boundless Kaori supernova. They try to fight around the egg. BZM dives in deep
They're aiming to finish off the supernova and get the job done. Mirror's dropping low. V2 nearly down as he's pummeled and brought back in towards the Medusa.
Park just opens up with a right-click damage. Ah, Tundra! They steamroll them. WS, thankfully for him.
Solarcrest and Blink away while Makoto foot is off white one in the back. They board back Kaori, but this monkey king, BKB'd,
Slowed, stuck in the back lines and lassoed down he goes. No, wait a second. He's got the Wukong's. Can he turn? No he can't! Keori ties back!
Oh my god, that's the second time he casts the Wukong and doesn't get the changing of the guard cast. He dies too fast.
The damage output is just so high from them right now. Obviously the Medusa is just laying in thick in this fight.
fights, 5.6k damage, but the rest of them as well. The Ember did 3.3, the Batrider just
continuously auto attacking people too.
Tremendous amounts of non-stop aggression from Tundra at this point, feeling like they've
got it in the groove.
Yeah, 26 minutes in, this is not where you want to be against a Medusa, sitting 12,000
gold behind. This is a significant lead for Tundra.
For any team, never mind a Medusa team.
And they have the very late game draft going on.
And they're in the roach pit now.
Aurora knows it's happening with the scan.
So the sticky napalm stack up.
Oh my god, the number. It's getting bigger.
Number becomes large.
It's got the shard. There is no limits.
Well, how high can it get?
Well, every attack is doing 480 bonus damage.
Oh, mate.
It's 580 bonus damage.
Right.
Parker, how do you deal with Aegis Medusa?
Is this an ignorant deal with everybody else kind of situation?
I mean you could try, but as long as everyone else sees Medusa as a walking ballista basically
and just play towards her, she will take care of the action, you know, she will just sit
there and protect everybody.
A ballista, manganelle, a scorpion, she is a piece of siege machinery at this point.
She's eyeing up some buildings too.
Text down the tier 2 and back to farming. Don't need to rush anything here.
Tundra no there, oh nice and comfy.
These yems even back farming through the jungle. Taking that spot which usually the team that's behind likes to go and inhabit.
Yeah, he's doing what he can to, you know, find anyone who's trying to split push or get sneaky on the map.
Aurora, looking a bit lost on the map now, they don't really have the same drive.
Last few moves have really not worked out, but they're also not close to key items.
Monkey King stuck on the same item progression, BKB and Diffu.
And it's... I don't know, I feel like it's a bad sign when your Timbersaw feels like he has to play Halberd.
Yeah, I get it's a good item. It's nice against this Medusa, but it doesn't feel like that's what Timbersaw is meant to buy
No, I mean literally a Simpsons
You're gonna do what you gotta do the best you can do WS stand a half HP just with a
Volley and a few hits from the Medusa and Tundra break the tier 3 tower
Kill off the serpent ward BZM gets in with a two-man chains
Both V2 and WS have to dip to fountain while they watch their barracks disarray
And Rust on that as well, some of their key disabled.
He's just a support but without him, it's not that easy to do anything.
Protection kicks in for a moment, delays the death of the tower but they've got a last
open to bat.
Sunray trying to keep this timber topped up but he's dead for 70 seconds now!
Yeah, this is the easy part right.
The rest of the game was the hard part right now, they're just bullying them, they're way
ahead.
Monkey King.
He tries to hold the back with the boundless.
Mikoto, half HP.
Passed the bail from this one, they've got to wait for Timberson to respawn.
So this is two lanes of Barracks.
Aurora thankful to have this tier 2 bottom lane, so just not lose out on mega creeps immediately.
Every single Chakra magic gets so much HP going the way of Medusa.
She blocks 4.1 damage per mana.
I guess 300 mana from Bottle.
Yeah, Casual 1200 HP heal coming in all the time.
That's not bad, is it?
Oh, Makoto. Role-playing as a courier. Wukong's onto the back rider.
Good move from V-Tune Makoto. Find 33.
Ask him to stop the bleed.
The chase. Are they going?
To get on top of Whitemon, V-Tune wants to try and get something more out of this.
Easy targets.
Get the simple one. They try to heal Whitemon up, but he's down.
Parker stands there, clicks into V-Tune, wanting to pop the LT.
While Mira gets blown up by BZM.
Supernova comes through and Parker realizes, not this time,
Can't go and click it down, but VTUNE is very low, has to blink away.
Yeah, Ember Gangl, base heal up a little bit, have it on without ulti for 70 seconds.
What a DD runes spawned top.
They've seen it with the Observer Ward, they know.
Yeah, they did ping it.
Two of their heroes are dead, so for now, just backing up a little bit.
Loosing out their BKB piercing disables.
I say that as though there's some big need for it.
There's only one BKB and it's Monkey King, and Monkey King really hasn't been able to do too much damage.
BZM?
Nothing to control him.
There's also some gymnastic moves to slip away, and they've walked into Parker.
Quick halberd there, gonna stop the Monkey King from dying outright, but they've still got these chains forcing this belt out of BZM early on.
Borrowed times on cooldown, Borrowed times on cooldown! BZM's just getting clicked down!
Or the miss, the miss, the jump in from BZM, finds one, Kailhoy might be second.
Spirit Vessel applied.
Another click from the Skadi, the Silver Edge breaks and a kill on him means two have died.
Fifty seconds with no bad and no Phoenix.
They just cannot stand toe-to-toe, it's two different damage output right now.
Daedalus on the Medusa, Silver Edge, I have Skadi, it's so many items.
Ember is gonna make his way and pick up the DD room before it times out.
Yeah, it's waiting for him.
Get it, it's yours.
Maybe a bonus room? Arcane? Arcane? Any Arcane Rune fans? Oh, Invis Rune.
Just watch him use his Invis Rune to go through top, into the base, find the Monkey King.
That's 33 in Parker. Start to get to work on the tier 3 bottom.
Yeah, with Peek-Bee and Cooldown, this Monkey could just die to Ember immediately.
He's gonna show himself. I think Ember saw him despite his disguise.
As a century would made so at least Aurora not going to get caught off guard completely
Where the ember in biz yeah, but the barracks are not running away good no, they're not
You can't relocate them back anymore
Unfortunate
Okay, just gonna click them down
Remnant and chains making curious life little difficult bear as mirror a shadow shaman gets caught on the way back to base
Disarm on Deuce, jump in from Veetune. Last chance to loon for Aurora as they
try to make a play for the Deuce. There's the Bat dragging Monkey back.
Supernova expended, they found up Makoto, trying to get off his Wukong's
command and stay alive. Veetune's borrowed time, comes in, Kaori's died.
Makoto on the run back away as Veetune blinks out. Monkey might not be seen
lucky though. WS tries to hold them away as the shackles from Mira locks one in
place for the dive back out of the shadow shaman it closes the game tundra they've wrapped this one up
some impressive kiting towards the end but unfortunately it's just too late there's no
way to fight into that big of an item deficit they had to end in the first 15 minutes or at
least get to a winning position and they just could never get there incredible stuff from tundra
and the boys this back this m bud is playing so quickly and tundra now one step closer to
play against heroic. Yeah they still have a step to do tomorrow. We'll see if they make that one
but this one is well and truly in the bag and they continue here another day and staying alive in
the tournament where Aurora falters. A lot to break down for this one. We ended the draft
saying that there was going to be a lot of pressure on the mid lane. We had an ember versus
monkey king and I want to start the conversation there Gunnar because we did see the monkey
not really shine yeah I think the issue is even in this current kind of iteration
of the mid 1v1 like he won the lane he was ahead I don't want to like downplay
that the matchup he did good but the issue with the monkey is it's just been
so many rounds of nerfs over and over like the damage from the jingu the
old nerf the facet nerf even the jump nerf facet was like really strong at
some point for rotating as a mid laner and just all these changes over the
just make the hero feel so weak that any single like amount of spells you throw at
him just if you have like 800 damage and spells it's an unplayable hero for a
first like 20 minutes of the game. It's also awkward for Aurora because they had
like diffusers soon coming out but then they took some fights before the
diffuser actually connected and then you know the Tundra they're waiting for
their timings that right ago his boots are bearing they utilize that really
nicely to then kind of like try and break Aurora and it was ups and downs but
So like Tundra, they play on the Batrider, they survive the mid-match, I've done it
as a disaster, so maybe you want the Monkey and the Matchup to go, and then it's just
a matter of, oh wow, Parker's farming, haha, Parker's farming, oh god, Parker's farming,
you know, it's like one of those games.
I also want to kind of say the Batrider was kind of the MVP in our second game, and then
it was first picked, and you're like, okay, it's a first pick Bat, we have to think about,
it's a whole draft, then they go into game three, and it's last pick, there's so many
different options for the Ben and some might say it could have been the MVP as well this game.
That's true, that's true. It's true. I do think I want to say maybe it's like oversight or maybe
thinking like that the baton was going to be enough to sway tundra away from it. I don't know.
Old school bat rider, baton is a hard counter. Very hard. More than day bat rider, it's kind of like
it's awkward because the baton in Laning Phase doesn't really care. Bat rider will still farm
in the game if a badden from shield her back goes on it's a problem but with the auras and like
the poaching style of bat faith i don't think avadans like it's not like the 80-20 usually yeah
it's not like a 60-40 or like a 55-45 situation i also want to say i think ava in general as a hero
it we seem to have some success none of the war specifically between ava and the lifesteer but
those two heroes kind of give me similar vibes that they learn about radiance um and i think that
that item is really bad right now it's been nerfed so much that they don't get
this good teamfight timing that they kind of used to in the past and it's just
like I remember I was thinking that the item winner rates radiance is at somewhere
around like 20% win rate just being picked up and so if that's a weak item
these heroes that kind of like focus on it are weak and sure if you have like a
perfect avid game a perfect life-saving game which is Aurora's had those and
this tournament looks good but it doesn't really deal enough with the the do so
the bar reader. No, and we have to give the MVP to Parker.
Oh, it's because they, oh, I'm not saying he listened to the classes. That would be illegal.
But in the cast, they did say, you know, Parker cannot die anymore from this one death. You
know, it's unacceptable. Yeah. He had one death. They made that call. He never died again. Right.
Very good. Good for him. Good for him. But that's the thing with Tundra. I feel like
with Parker, every game, it feels like they're still trying to understand like where the balance
is. And there are these games where they find it. And this is one of those ones where it's like,
It's the park of fun.
Yeah, and of course behind every carry there is a support
and especially for Medusa, the keeper of the light
was very important and it is slacks
who gets to talk to the keeper of the light player, Ari.
Absolutely.
I am here with Tundra's second most toxic person
on the team right now, Ari.
So good to have you here.
Thank you very much for joining us.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
God, that's a joke.
You're a sweet guy.
You're a kind guy.
I've never seen you do anything mean in a pub
or at an official, is that true?
Are you a, you know,
how's that behavior score rocking right now?
The behavior score is good.
I mean, okay, I would say maybe a couple of years ago,
some would say I could be a bit toxic at times,
but I think over the years I've matured a bit
and now I'd say I'm more on the nice side, yeah.
Good for you, man.
Me and a lot of other Dota players are still man children.
So I'm glad that you have evolved, well done.
All right, let's talk a little bit about this series,
super, super fun to watch.
Game 1 in particular seemed like the most even back and forth one.
Do you remember that game at all?
Yeah, I do actually.
That game pretty much nothing went well for us, I feel like.
So we were a bit down, but you know, you just say go next
and you try to do it by the next time and that's what happened.
Absolutely. But Game 2, you guys got that energy behind you.
I was talking to Moon beforehand. He said, you know, it was motivating.
The guys seemed like they really had an idea of what they wanted to do.
They were deliberating on it. What was that conversation like?
you at a game one? I don't think anyone brought us out of game one. I felt like we were talking
about game one all the way until the draft was about to start and then suddenly the draft is
starting. Okay, wipe all the thoughts of it. Everyone understands that individually and then
let me just move forward. Yeah. Okay, an absolute domination here. Now I did want to talk about you
guys do have a stand in here and you know a little bit of a communication difference there,
especially as a guy who's playing you know, Caudal for a Medusa. You guys have to talk a lot,
What is the communication between you, the big boy support and your big boy number one carry?
I think his English is actually like perfectly reasonable for playing together.
Maybe like sometimes out of game he might not know something he wants to say, but as far as in game goes, it's definitely perfectly fine.
But he doesn't say too much. I feel like it's more like I'm chatting him. I still have mana for you. I have max blocker for you.
You're fine, like on the top fight and
And and he just he just stands there and fights he just has to listen. Yeah, so typical support stuff
You're gonna be okay. I'm here for you. Don't worry. I think you're so cool. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, I'm just standing next to him saying I have lock it. You're doing a good job. Keep hitting bro
You've got them. I'm just like the moral support of the manna
All right. Well, Ari, thank you so much for your time again. It was a fantastic series
We cannot wait to see more of you now this is god damn take it easy on me. All right. All right
We're gonna see more. I need to see you guys against heroic, okay? Now you've done your job, but then we'll see if we do theirs
All right, all right. All right. We'll see if that dream happens. But back to you guys on the panel
Well, here's the hope and they still have a hurdle tomorrow morning before they would have a chance to go up against heroic
And also her oh could also have to pass their hurdle of course
But this one well and truly passed and I do think that over the course of the last like five six days
We have seen tundra adapt to parker and it seems to work out. Yeah again. It's like every series
They're still calibrating that even in this series they were off the mark in one game
And then suddenly they're back at it again
So I think any any team that goes up against tundra needs to be ready for you know a morphling
That you know a standard performance from a busy and back rider like inconsistencies seem to be a thing
But they're working through it and they're not getting eliminated. That's the scary thing. They just keep improving
Yeah, because eliminated, that's Aurora.
They were on the receiving end this time.
They will end top eight for this PGL Valachia season seven,
and they will not move forward.
But we will, you will at home.
We're moving forward, and don't worry.
You can rest easy, because it's time
for a little bit of upper bracket.
Nobody's getting eliminated again today, you know?
We're done with that.
Breeze, yeah, you're doing a great job.
You'll have a little bit of a break,
but when we're back, eight is time
for those upper bracket matches
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Hey everybody here with Laurel, best mid laner in the world, obviously, right?
Yeah, maybe.
Sometimes.
Okay, well find out.
Sometimes the best, sometimes the worst.
We'll find out who it is today, we're going to be ranking all of the mid laners at the
event, five being the worst of the best, and rank one being the best.
You can vote for yourself if you like.
Who goes at number five?
Okay, let's think number five we will go
I can go with I guess less time in real. Oh
Number five
Why is that? I'll just he good play you get people a lot fine, but need like more here up all of us
Okay, respectable to be in the top five though. Okay number four number four gobe is like let me see who
I have to go there, hmmm...
Okay, I need to go maybe with some Larinov or no one I think.
Maybe let's go with...
Between the two, who's better?
They all together lose, but in the opinion of who plays the best, I think Larinov is a little bit better.
Okay, okay.
So no one first then, no one is four and then Lornav is three?
I don't know, just Lordov.
Okay, Lordov in four.
All right.
Then you have some Nisha, BZM,
Githwitch, I think.
I need to like, top one for Hubeko.
Okay, run free, I go with me.
I pick you.
With you?
Okay, okay.
Not when I like get like how I say,
like I'm, I don't know.
I mean, you're not arrogant, you know,
you understand there's always room for improvement.
That's my boy right there.
All right, number two, number two.
Number two, Gobi's,
I think we have more like XM. Okay, okay, but we don't have one.
Okay, we have Tylong. I mean, maybe I made mistake about Mirelo.
Maybe I should put Tylong on number 4 and for Tylong maybe.
Okay, okay, so we're gonna go...
I don't see Tylong. Tylong play good. Go with Tylong number 1-4.
Okay, so we're gonna start there, we're gonna put Tylong and rank 4 instead.
He play good, he play good.
Then we're gonna go Lornav
No, then it'll be me
Then you?
No, it's Lornav
And Lornav is now out
Absolutely destroyed by Tyla
Uh... BGM?
Then BGM out of nowhere
This is like a WWE Royal Rumble
People are gonna knock down
Like, of course, Nisha
Nisha?
Yeah, he play good
But we'll see
How he gonna play on the playoffs
Okay, okay
Anyway, in this like...
Pretty fine, I guess
Yeah?
Maybe can put...
If...
Switch some players
No, we don't have to do that again, but...
No, it's okay.
Yeah, alright.
So yeah, this one I like it.
Okay, okay. So Nisha, BZM, Laurel, Tylong.
Very good, very good. I have to agree.
Now, a lot of people have said Nisha as number one.
Do you think a lot of people would vote Nisha?
Is he just guaranteed?
I think, yeah, they're gonna like vote for him rank one.
Because like, it's Nisha, he always like the best.
It's not another like opinion.
Like, he's the best, sorry.
It's okay.
Okay, it's the best for now. All right. All right. Thank you so much. We'll see you guys soon
Welcome back to pg lvla here season seven we had lal on the screen there and indeed we're going to be covering a team spirit game
They're gonna be taking on bet boom can't wait for this one. I'm your host Richard Lewis joining me on the panel the ECR back
It is of course kezu you know him from heroes of newer you do you do we've got
Andrew we've got Jenkins ready to put the fries in the bag
There was a guy called jay rock in it
There was a Jenkins and heroes of New Earth actually was there you don't remember him cuz fogged always says you you used to be better
You were different and you've changed
I leveled up from Jenkins to Kesin no not you me you were there there was a guy called Jenkins and heroes of newer
Mm-hmm. You don't know this guy. You don't seem very rememberable now. I didn't play. I know I get it
I didn't that guy. I don't know who that is. Okay, right remembers fog might be lying to you
That's very possible guys. Listen. Sorry. We'll save it. We'll save it for later. We'll do it in the break
Why don't we talk about the game? It's team spirit. Are you excited?
Obviously, they're like one of my favorite teams ever, you know, when you when you look at their players
When you look at what they have done in the history of Dota, you always know
There's like very high skill and like also like strategic, you know
What they like do when it comes to like the games and their drafting so I think overall when this team plays
I think most people are absolutely excited. I was also looking at like one of their things
You know that they do because when people look at like the gameplay
It's not always like so easy to understand. Why is it good? Why is it not good?
So I think looking like deeper into someone's player perspective is obviously something where you can learn a lot from
So that's also something where like I looked at it yesterday and like so when you look here
So he's not level six yet
But when you look at the lane also there are no lane creeps left and it's close to minute seven
So what he does he doesn't you know want to hit down the siege creep or like hit the offlaner
He kills the neutral camp and you could see he's looking to the bottom lane all this time
And he's like not really putting himself out of position in this lane because he got his level six
He knows that he's going for this play so he's looking to the lane telling his team yo
I have my old I can go to the bottom lane
They just go for a very clean kill here on to shiro and this is like your top network essence
So this is now a couple minutes later and then this clip
It's I would say more like more important to think about what happens in Dota
And it's all one step leads into the next one play is connected to the next move
So here they defend the top care one tower and they knew that shiro was here on the dragon
I this is very important even here yato or he looks to the bottom lane before the fight is even over
He's anticipating that someone goes bottom. He's correct because shiro does go here after looking and seeing this
They immediately go through the gate just him. He checks again. He's like, okay. Where's he going?
He kills the wave. He's going to the left side. So here's shiro. No, he's like he thinks he's chill
He's pulling the wave being very nice. That's a nice angle
Exactly and like they take the perfect angle around and they just do it again
Ava toss
Requiem and they kill the guy and I think this is what makes this team so special and it's not just your Toro
It's everyone like look at his network. This is the top network guy. That's not just killing all the creeps
He's making the moves he's calling for so when this team is on they can make moves like this and this is not easy to replicate
Yeah, and we've talked with collapse as well. We had him on the sofa. He was talking about, you know
He feels that it's great that last back in the lineup the vibes are immaculate everything's going in the right direction
So I mean team spirit are definitely going to be there or there about to come the end of the tournament
Having Laurel Beck is definitely important for the style of the team and I also think that he is just generally high-skill.
It's not something that like you, it looks high-skill to an outside perspective sometimes, but what he brings to the team is very important.
And we could see in like a lot of the videos that Slacks has been recording with the midlaners, most people rank Laurel top five despite not always being like the most flashy style of player.
To me, my favorite thing about Team Spirit is that over all of these years that they've won the two TI's,
you know, one Riyads, like they can have periods where they look just okay.
They look like they're kind of falling off.
And then in the next tournament, they're a complete beast again.
You know, sometimes it's like getting Laurel back.
Other times it's they just accept like, okay, we're playing bad.
And they're very quick at like identifying when they're out of form and doing things to correct it and get back into form
T gov asked collapse a great question
He he said like is is there some fun to be found when you're rebuilding?
You know when when you're not winning tournaments that sucks
But can you find some joy in like building a team and fixing problems because you're occupying your mind and collapse just said no
He said, I'm wretchedly miserable, I won't repeat what he actually said when I don't win tournaments
and if he could have one super power, it would be just wins every tournament he attends, which feels like cheating to me.
Yeah, that would be a pretty good super power because the problem is when you play all these tournaments, unless you win, you're just depressed after.
You know, there are 16 teams that play at most tournaments, 15 of them just feel like, why am I doing this? It feels horrible after you.
So obviously, you know, you want to come to these tournaments and make it happen and this team when they're informed
You know, they obviously can but their counterparts. I'm still like to me. There's still a little bit of a question mark
I think they have ramped up Andrew said it yesterday
Mm-hmm. He said that people are ignoring that boom and when people ignore that boom, that's when that boom surprised me. I
Want to go back to a quote that Quinn said when he was still playing well
Well, let me just check which one.
Is it one of the nice ones?
No, it's one that's safe for work.
Is it repeatable?
Safe for work, good, excellent.
He basically said, I am a good player because I hate myself.
And it was such a profound statement, also a bit sad,
because a lot of the players that do the best
and that are very consistent,
which Team Spirit is one of those teams,
and also Betboom is one of those teams
that is consistently like top four over all of these years.
It's teams that hold themselves to such a high standard
that getting like top six is not good enough for them.
And I think we have a battle of two teams
that feel like they should be in the grand finals,
genuinely, every single time.
And there's something very special about that.
No, absolutely.
It's also, I think like when you look at BedBoom,
like all their players, they absolutely, they have the skill.
Like you see them, like sometimes throughout the year,
you know, you have BedBoom, they get to like the semifinals
or the finals of a specific LAN.
I do think right now they are on the way up,
but to me, when I've looked at their last series,
I don't know if they were fully like challenged yet,
to like the highest degree.
I do think they got some of those series like kind of easily,
which absolutely, it could just be that they fully stomped,
you know, it was hard to counterplay,
but I do feel like that today here against third,
it's like a really good test for them.
And if they can get through this,
I absolutely could see them go to the top three,
ain't no problem.
Yeah, and you can see this is the tail of the tape,
the path to where we're at before they meet.
And I would probably say, without being too disparaging,
maybe Betboom had the slightly easier run.
You're definitely right, 100%.
But I mean, ultimately, there was one series in there as well
where we did see GPK, the perfect Necro game.
He brought out the Necro, played very disrespectfully,
dive into our and doing crazy stuff, and they lost that one.
So obviously, I agree with your assessment.
I think this is the game today where they're
going to be fully locked in.
we're gonna see probably a great matchup in mid.
I mean, it's just you have two of the greats in mid
go up against each other.
I will say that, well, also with what you just said,
like GPK to me, he's been leveling up a little bit
because yeah, his Necro, it was kind of an illegal performance.
You give yourself the good matchup,
you need to obviously understand what are the heroes
around the enemy's mid.
But when I look at them, both these players are super important,
like for your team, and they do share some heroes as well,
like with the Park, the Invoker, and the Beast,
but I'm expecting all of the mid,
Plus it was supposed to be very important here.
It's so strange to me.
So it's just, again, a narrative thread
that I've been pulling on over the course of this event.
And that is that LAL doesn't seem to be as respected
as some of the other midnames.
He should be.
I agree.
I think there are some people.
The pros do respect him.
Yeah, the pros do.
I'm talking mostly from the fans.
I mean, even in some cases, Team Spirit fans,
when they lose games, they seem to tunnel in
and a portion, an unfair amount of blame on him.
Any insight as to why that might be?
Part of that is that he just doesn't often get that much help mid
because he will get help for the runes and things like that.
But he'll sometimes be picked into bad matchups.
He's not playing the hero that is like the win condition
for the game because that's utoro.
But the thing is, if you have utoro on your team,
I honestly think, OK, maybe other than like Satanic,
there is nobody that is at that level of utoro and I don't think
satanic's not there yet like he's a kid you know he needs time he needs time he
could be there's potential but nobody has been able to touch
utoro in terms of like being able to truly 1v5 a game
even in metas where a four protect one meta is not good team spirit can still
win tournaments by doing this so what do you need out of your off-laner in your
mid you need people that are willing to sacrifice themselves for that and
And this is what Laurel consistently does.
I think also, not just that, but let's say you're a fan of this team.
And you've seen Collapse and Yatoro, you know them, they're some of the greats.
It's quite hard to criticize them, even if you try to put the bias aside.
They're insanely good, so people will look at Panto, he's the newer guy,
at Drew, he's the newer guy, but then it's like, there's the one core left,
it's Mr. Laurel, and it's like-
It's gotta be one of the cores.
Exactly, that's why you're gonna look at one of the cores,
because it's yatoro, it's collapse, they play perfect,
but at the end of the day, everyone makes a mistake,
everyone has their S tier form,
and where you play a little bit less,
or you have some other things that go on.
So, you know, Laurel, I respect him a lot,
and I think it should slowly fade away.
You know who Laurel reminds me of?
I was watching a movie last night, it's called Kung Fu Panda.
Bang, a movie of course.
Wait, which one?
The first one.
One, two, three, or four.
2008, I've never watched it, because I don't like Jack Black.
And there's a character in it, the titular panda,
he's called Po.
and his quality is he never gives up.
So do you think that's like he,
so Laugh reminds you of Laugh never gives up in the lane,
no matter how bad a game state is,
he's always playing hard, you know, very sacrificial.
And he gets exhausted when he runs upstairs, but still.
No, that's me.
But still, he's the chosen warrior.
Exactly.
He's the chosen one.
Laugh has the dragon scroll.
So then who is Maser Ugwe in Team Spirit?
Like who is like his mentor?
I mean,
he claps,
stealer of agencies.
He passed away at any point. We should stop talking about Kung Fu Panda. The draft has a indeed progressed to the point
They do pick a big fat character
In the Argo, so the big fat frog letting that through is very interesting
Not something that you see too often unless there's some sort of trade of one of the other, you know
Very overpowered heroes at Nick's assassin
It's it's not one of those years, but this is what spirit does one of my favorite things about spirit and I thought a lot of this
was silent and
Maybe it still is because of the influence that he had on the team where they let the really overpowered stuff through and
They basically say okay, we know what counters it and it's from a previous meta where we were a really good team
And we played this a lot. It's not current meta
But we're gonna force you to basically go back in time and play against something that's
It's old here's a question for you. Casio on over on bet boom
Yeah, can the logo be a flex because obviously we see liquid sometimes flex it to tofu
So from what I know is that it's mainly been on Miro and the Offlane.
I assume that Katyaomi can play it, but when I look at the overall safe lanes that they do play,
I think he's the ranged guy or Tusk.
So I'm just going to assume that it is an Offlane, most likely,
unless you really feel like you cannot put him there, but we've not really seen those games.
I would say that.
Yeah, I think it's Betboom's first time playing this.
It is. That's the crazy thing, is that Betboom has not been allowed to have Largo at all,
So spirit is clearly like dangling this like I picked something that's out of your comfort zone for this tournament at least and we think we can break it.
Why I mean I like I like the mix into it in a way because obviously the problem you've got the logo is for the first 18 minutes of the game.
He has the farm.
He's AFK.
He's got to get that act in the pond.
So he's going to be off the map farming doing things.
You get your next and then you're out scouting and messing with him.
You can delay his access.
Yeah, and it's easy to carepiss him as well, because Largo is putting these, you know, frogs on the ground.
You can just walk into it, get a pretty easy stun.
And also, Nix, with the skitter or scuttle facet, you can easily walk up cliffs and avoid sentries
and find Largo when he's, you know, jungling in the high ground safe jungles near the triangle and behind the tier one tower.
It is kind of, I would say it's a polarizing matchup in a way where Largo later he wants to be together,
whereas Nix like abuses when teams like split up exactly so you have a lot of like I would say the
like the upper hand early on because like you're saying Largo is very slow but later then it's
can Spirit force Bb to like you know to split up maybe you can have heroes that are very good at
playing the map like whether it's some illusion carry or you have like Nix and Storm you know
that constantly when you're off the map you have a lot of threat to like pick people off
so I wonder how Bb will go about this as well because you will want to find this type of timing
where you can go together. And also when I see Nyx, I will always have to think about TA.
Maybe that's on the 18 pick. It's super annoying when you play Nyx and there's something casual
that it slows you and then people can kill you because you can always carry Pes if they throw
stuns at you and probably walk it off. But against TA, you cannot. That just generally has been a
very strong hero in the last few days. Crazy high win rate.
I mean you're probably looking at just saves here here I would say like you can just pick
your four and your five I mean save could play the bane but you know shaman is quite good again
oh yeah just go shaman like yeah the the hex not being like any stun where you don't have to
where you can't be carapace this really nice I mean that's also part partly why they picked the bane
But we are going to see the ringmaster.
It's funny how the matchups I've developed over the time that ringmaster has been in
Dota because I remember for a long time people were picking Jikiro into ringmaster as like
some hard counter because you've all this ground targeted stuff that you cannot save
from with the box.
But a lot of the time the box is being used on people who are like already DK Bede or
you're just repositioning in the fight and a lot of the time you're playing a lot more around the ringmaster ult as well as like a team fighting tool
Yeah, I do like the double support do I think from BB at least for now
Like I think also like this saves towards each like towards each other you have this sleep
You've got the box Largo, of course if people stay alive is quite good. So I'm now wondering also for spirit
What do you want to lock in? I think storm could be quite good for you
Just obviously depending on what they really want
I think they're one of the teams that have valued like some double minus armor quite a lot like from within their draft
I mean, Slugger, of course, he could be mid, he could be off-lane.
I think Laurel has also played at this tournament.
We can see here it's been mainly on collapse.
So overall, I think it's a very strong 16-17 pick.
You need to at least respect it on BB that it can be flexed, but this looks very, very
solid.
Yeah, you can't really go wrong with these two picks.
I love it, at least I've seen it a lot this tournament where teams do something like this,
where even if on this 18th pick, BB completely hard counters TA,
you still have such a strong early game between the two minus armor heroes.
It's a good combo for killing people, but also for killing Roshan,
that the hard counters are just not working anymore.
So they just go for something normal, which I can respect.
Just continue to play your draft, play for the Largo timing, the Aghanim Scepter,
It's still very strong regardless of all the minus armor BS. It's beard is throwing not really a lot of lockdown for me
There as well. It's a nice. Yeah, it's still here. It's the next how is the sardar versus storm matchup mid?
I would both are pretty happy
I would assume that storm will win just slightly because he's the range guy that just like you have to stand away the sardar
Yeah, I'll throw remnants and I'm sure it's like fine for both
But I would also assume the spirit will just look for another like exactly like just for their own mid
I mean heroes I would consider banning is like maybe TB's plus one. I don't know exactly who
Else other than that maybe I would say Muarathir should actually come to mind like you have TA Sotra
It's incredibly physical. Kiritich is a really good Muarathir. Yeah, and like you have the lane with Bane
So like the you know the sleep into the bedshot get them into the tower
Well, at least one of the heroes I already mentioned will be through because Spirit have you know value that DK
Like quite up there, which also makes sense like you have one guy jumping in and it's storm
Which it's not that easy in this game, you know like again when you have the luciferals
I would say like people always talk about like the very clear stunts
But I think also random stuff that can catch you off guard here comes a medusa wait. No no no you can't medusa against nix
Come on. You can't do that. I mean you can again start our TA
But I mean so you were talking about nix cuz then you go the other fast it's it is unplayable
If they pick medusa, I don't care what spirits lost to kiss that booms gonna lose it. I it is I like that genuinely that bad
But the thing is, it's like a bad nix facet other than in this situation.
Could they just be baiting them until I try and throw something out?
The thing is, like, Beppu already has Largo Storm, so it's a good anti-mage game.
But for God's sake, Spear has TA.
Like, they're not going to pick AM unless BB is picking Medusa.
I really think it's a mistake for them to do that, but I'm more than happy to be proven
wrong.
And it was the most trash Medusa game I've ever seen. Yeah, I know you were you were spot on that time. I
Mean, let's see. That's the so the mana burn as it still work
There was a time where it also worked on your items like if you bought like some blade mail and you actually ran into this
Medusa she just like nearly in secures the man a burn. I
Don't think it I don't think it works on I remember it worked on like vessels. Yeah, but I don't think it does
At least they do ban out the TV. I think if we're going normal
I think more than should be the one you look at but they make use of their AM band for the Medusa. Yeah. Wow. I
Yeah, that's interesting. That's a very interesting pick. They really value this against the minus armor and spirit has absolute last pick. I
mean, Laura could pick Huskar against storm. I guess the do some problem is not answered
By the Huskar, but it is answered by the mix already. So
I mean you've got a couple of options you could if you're fine with this order mid you can pango
I think you have double physical reduction. You would get triple from pango if you want to just pick a mid
Hmm. Is there anything else? That's like really cool. You mentioned the huskar
I think it would completely shut down the storm. I mean, yeah
I think like obviously we've seen collapse win on the pangalare and it's it's a diffusal buyer
There's also the world like you could pick off an Underlord. I think Auras are quite good. The
Agh is pretty insane also against like the Radiant Heroes. Like I would say Storm. It's not a free
Storm game. Like there's Silence from the Traps. Like there's Icepath. There's a Nix with a
Carapace. So the cool thing for him is that like he has the backup. But roots are pretty good against
Saves because then sure you come out of the box. You're still rooted. You get slapped. You're probably
coming into another root. So you still hate the Medusa pick, right?
I'm curious to see what facet Vru will go for.
It should be the mana burn.
It should be.
Because Medusa is very good against Slardar TA, but I fully agree with you that it is
one of the worst matchups into Nyx.
Bro, if you go on her with this facet and you press all your spells on her, you're doing
like effectively 5,000 damage to her depending on how much mana she has.
It is making the Nyx pick God tier and they first picked it.
Which makes me think, like, is this the prep they wanted TA?
They wanted Slardar, and so they pick Nix early on,
so that in case this comes out, they have the answer.
It's very possible.
OK, so he just goes for a Lushrack, which I think Nix Lushrack
is very nice.
It's like Nix setting up for you with the Lushrack damage.
It's like enough to fold to zero, pretty much anyone.
I really want to see which facets.
So Rur has scuttle locked in right now.
He should be changing now.
I think he should.
I will also say that while, so the way that...
He did change it, he did change it.
Because the way I see the game for now is that
Lesh traditionally, he's not good against Medusa.
Most ranged turret heroes counter this hero.
But I will say that with the rest I see from Spirit,
I think it relies on, can Medusa stand her ground
and stop Lesh from running in?
But I think with the TA and like with the slaughter amp,
and there's a very high chance that
Spirit's Roche is way better.
Like that Boom's Roche is actually kind of pathetic
until they have like three to four items.
So the way I see the game go is that I think
Spirits early game should be quite good.
They should get the first, maybe even the second ages.
And I don't really see how BatBOOM stopped them
from running in,
because I think the early game is very slow
with the Largo Medusa.
But if they can stop and I played the double support
with GPK, I think that's like their way
of having life in this game.
I'm very curious how BatBOOM manages the early game.
Like, is there some tri-lane type situation?
Are they gonna run in the bane
get some get some wards down or like block creep waves or anything like that because I I really
feel like otherwise it's gonna be rough. You know who we can ask? We've got our commentators there here.
It's good cup, B cup on the big screen. How are you doing? I'm doing good. Very excited to see
Medusa in action one more time, especially Medusa against TA. But this time around, the boy Nixie
is going to be taking care of Medusa. I think he's realized Medusa is insanely still kind
of broken, but Nick's assassin I believe in this hero, especially with the mana burn
facet. You agree with that, Biko? Yeah, and me and my best friend over here, we're Largo
haters, so we see that hero come out. We hate Largo. We think it does not enough, but I
just feel like it's going to get beaten lane pretty early. This hero doesn't really do
well from behind, and they're going to have some problems to deal with. I'm still fascinated
to see what this nix does to this Medusa. Looking forward to this one, boys. I'll let you take it away.
Taking away, we shall. We're coming into game number one. Spirit up against Betboom. This Largo
is definitely a question mark for me. I feel like we've seen the Zero just get beat up in lane.
Doesn't exactly feel that great in recovery. And then the Axe is there, of course, but late.
And then in a, I would say, ineffective to what you really want from him, right? So what's the
game plan for Bat Boom to really secure these lanes.
GPK, he has to pop off like this is the hero that needs to create space because you have
Largo and Medusa as you're, this is basically having like back in the days, Doom plus Medusa
type of a lineup where both of them want to be taking the farm, they're super slow, they
don't have any kind of ways of setting things up.
So it needs to be GPK and looking at the heroes that they do have, they have good amount
of stuns, good amount of control to deal with this storm spirit.
So we'll see how much he's going to be able to get collapsed, we'll be playing the Offlane Slardar.
A lot of the times Slardar tends to fall flat in some of these matchups from the Offlane where you can't really threaten the enemy carry.
Medusa should definitely be fine in this one, but Rue seems like he wants to start at the top lane we've seen.
Even like a full trial-in-on-trial-in action, was it yesterday or two days ago?
They want to start strong, they want to be able to maybe get a kill, never mind.
Everybody is back.
Panto did TP back to the bottom lane.
You have Panto on this Shakira going bottom and then you'll have potentially some aggression, I would say, with Titoro, and Ruin this top lane.
You wouldn't be surprised if Nukes' assassin really plays aggressively, but does have to be careful to the catchy licks and the damage that Save could put on.
This is one of those heroes I feel like.
Earlier in SAVE's ascendancy to amazing support and like in the eyes of everybody, it was this ringmaster that we saw him play a lot.
Yeah, I would say if I wanted to lane a ringmaster, my first pick would probably be SAVE to be laning with him.
I do feel this hero is strong, slightly underutilized.
I do feel the hero, like his toolkit is insanely strong, do not underestimate the value coming out from will of wonder,
gives you a good amount of teamfight, but I also want to see how much RU is going to be able to
help out Yatra. This is not a strong laning support by any means, and right now, burning
not as much mana as you would maybe want to, so it will give Largo a much better lane that maybe
they expected to. Yeah, mana burn goes from 16 all the way at top level 25. Yeah, that is 25%,
and we talked about how we felt like 30% on some spells is very high. 25%, it's a big number to
and just be burning like that on a relatively out-of-the-four short cooldown, six and a half seconds.
Could get pretty disgusting out here.
One of the things too with these Ringmasters, I think Impelment Arts is an insane spell,
with how much you can just spam this later on.
It's one of the best harassment spells in the lane as well.
It gets very difficult for enemy position 5 to square up against you.
Your level 2 is also insanely strong.
If you can use the catch a lick put them into the frog stomp, and then you have them to be pushed them out
Impale an art to slow them down quite a lot of control between these two heroes
Yeah top max damage on team of these level one 180 that combined with like you said the catchy look in the cross down
It's disgusting. So this lane I can see that boom maybe playing high
Tempo high octane, but bottom lane courage is here with Kethedromi on the bane
We didn't see more and more of this bane. It's his signature hero, but the hero is strong
I feel the hero also falls flat in a lot of these situations, especially if your XP rune gets stolen.
He is also one of the better ones to go in and contest it, but we have seen recently and so far at Valachia,
that teams are bringing numbers, not just three heroes, sometimes even bringing four heroes and letting the offlaner potentially take the XP shrine on their side of the map.
TP.
while running away from GPK avoids those impalement arts thrown over by save and even tips him.
It's a good tip. That one's good.
Seeing him tip, seeing him come with a TP, wasting a little bit more time allows you to actually play
slightly more aggressive in the top lane.
It's going to expand on your point about all cleaners taking the shrine.
I feel like I've been seeing this shift on shrine taking in general.
I think cores have been getting a little bit more priority at like that.
As a core player, as a support player, I disagree wholeheartedly.
Get the homie, get a try and run.
Slytherin crush is their first blood for collapse.
Sardar, someone who needs to have that good start to really maintain through the game.
Sardar can struggle at times to farm, but when you get this early aggression,
you're able to get a kill under your belt lane.
Especially the first blood, you're gonna feel much better about the game overall.
The early harassment coming in with the Jekiro, that with Sardar having of course Bash of the Deep.
In with that Slytherin Crush can make positioning very difficult for these heroes.
Crush comes out and does this snake, killing off this Jekiro so they get revenge pretty quickly.
Ooh, I wanna see how much damage that snake did because it looked like 200 damage the last bounce.
And GPK forced the jungle. We've seen mid laners also go into this area of the map.
They farmed their level sixes. When a puck is not having that good time over in the lane, he kind of goes there.
And GPK as well knows that he doesn't want to get rotated on. If he gets his level six, he's gonna be fine.
They can't really sunlock him from 100 to 0.
He's over here just trying to farm the jungle. Meanwhile, he is top CS, so it's not like his lane's going too poorly, but adding to that and
and trying to maybe accelerate a little bit.
They'll attract, meanwhile, close to that six there too.
And we are at that five minute mark
where we're kind of expecting, all right,
in about 20 seconds, 30 seconds,
these supports are gonna leave, go towards mid.
And I would say both supports for Bed Boom
and truly both supports for both teams
can make pretty significant moves.
There is a lot to bring to the table
when it comes to going and controlling that six minute rune.
Three out of four are extremely strong.
You can take a guess which 4th one isn't really as strong as rotating to the mid lane.
Gorgon's grasp and Mystic Snake, that's killing a Panto.
Save getting that one and making that rotation to kill off one of those heroes that's very good at rotating to the mid.
And now they're making a move to the mid lane.
They can maybe get...
Get a potentially asleep if they can get the impalement arts.
GPK, he's dipping in.
Level five and a half, needs a nice little bit of XP to get that level six.
You know, Alaro did hit six first.
They brought both supports over here, they were looking for a stun for the Vortex,
stopped him, tamed the beast with a fear, and Laurel already lowed.
Two-man Impale is not going to matter, Miro.
Even making the rotation, Frog stopping,
Spike Carapace and a kill for Panjo and a Kethom, he would always rue.
So two heroes die on Spirit, a rotation from the Offlane of Beth Boom
to make sure that they can secure a bigger advantage in this,
and they also now bottle that Invisory.
What a bait from GPK. They definitely planned this type of a move, knowing that it was probably his call, saying that Leshrac has more XP, because he went to the jungle, he wasn't getting as much XP from the lane,
which means that Leshrac is getting more, and GPK hits them with the U-Bluet to support the immediately rotating, and there was no vision whatsoever from Team Spirit to see this move coming.
And also bringing the arrow. I think we've seen also not just offlaners rotating six eight minutes potentially to
Secure the rune for their mid laner. We've seen TP rotations
But we've also seen Kerry rotating for eight minutes rune if necessary
I don't think here as Medusa is gonna rotate
But if you have slightly more active heroes something like a Viver potentially you can't definitely make a move
They seem Vtune with that right off and yeah, yeah, he was very willing. He was gonna be my example and
And no aggressive shrine attempts coming out from either side
Especially here for spirit where
Nix's assassin is one of those heroes that
You really need six you need to get that six your effectiveness goes up tenfold when you finally have access to that vendetta and
truthfully
You can kind of lead the charge with a hero like Sardar who at least cued currently for collapse is going into that early blink
So you could be that mobile ward you're gonna get that information and I think spirits gonna be happy with what they can get if that
Vendetta starts to
You know become available for them and collapse gets that blink at a decent time it vision games should be on their side having
Temporal assassin with traps later with the silence once you upgrade that you have nix assassin
You have corrosive haze and you also at the downside. I'll hold that dot
Wow, GPK styling on him against a mid-zip.
That's a regen rune. Not something you want to mess with.
There are three heroes by my spirit, but Panto, he might be left.
Rue's actually turning around just to throw some mana burn into the face of GPK,
but GPK's got that regen rune and doesn't really care.
Let's start with GPK. We said it needs to be him making the moves.
He's playing with the supports, leaving Largo and leaving Medusa to get some extra farm.
right now on top of the network, GpKed by quite a huge margin, and something to point out as well
is also that there are two Bounter Roots to be picked up, but also when you play Nexus Assassin
without Scuttle Facet, it also means that your Vendetta is not going to be as effective. You don't
have those 15 seconds of hasted and an obstructed pathing, so it's not going to happen. It's going
to be much difficult for Roo to set things up. Yeah, a little bit more difficult to kind of get in
in that position. We'll see if that affects him as they start to get towards that level
6. He is still just level 4 and he's not exactly progressing too quickly with the kills coming
out and the aggression from the fed boom team so far. But I will say it is Storm Spirit
leading the charge and then the next three until Largo had jumped up for a second being
and there it is back. Those team spirit heroes. All three lanes still going off for Spirit.
It's the supports that are struggling for them overall. And now Rue, this is pretty standard.
him the middle lane, or give your struggling support the middle lane, right?
Yeah.
You gotta give him something.
I also want to see if he's gonna be maybe putting slightly more points into Mana Burn.
Not necessarily max it out, but two points in a pale sounds pretty good, but you also
want to be getting that mind flayer you are playing against Medusa after all.
Collapse, gonna be fine in the bottom lane, pretty tanky, doesn't have raindrop.
Pretty much six slotted as we say for the early game.
Snake.
Oof.
It hurts. Can't just stand there and hope to not get hit by that. Snake-ice-path lands
on two of these heroes, seemed to be short, but lands on both Rue as well as Laurel. They
get to go into GPK and the arrow coming and rotating again. So he shows up and make the
trade onto Laurel, getting that frog stomped down and helping out to at least salvage the
situation because Spirit's sort of that one by hitting off on that Storm Spirit. This
It has to be one of the Largos that I've seen rotate the most.
Usually, Hero is just AFK farming until he gets his Agadam scepter.
But while all this is happening, Yatharo, we haven't talked too much about him.
He was the one managing to secure a good amount of damage onto the tier 1 tower.
Katalmy looking for the angle, GPK, Big Zip.
Yeah, Big Zip in, but not really a mountain too much.
Impale landed on 2, he uses a lot of mana for that.
Four tech stun lands from Laurel.
They're going to have to cut the Omi, but they've got four heroes here.
RLK can't commit to this one with how many heroes have come over for BedBoom Team and...
I'm a little worried that when you... you know, when it's successful, yeah, it looks good.
But when you bring a lot of heroes and you don't get anything from it, with...
the rest of the team of Spirit farming, you're going to start to fall behind.
Oh, you will. Yeah, they are bringing in numbers.
So far, it has been working out for BedBoom Team, bringing in pretty much four heroes to every engagement,
and also bringing in neutral items to this previous fight.
They did have Ash Legion Shield on Largo and Double Ash Legion Shield coming up from the Ringmaster as well,
and they also had Cobalt Cup.
So quite a lot of these small items early on that they picked up, they managed to go back,
they have a lot more, because at these early engagements you have a really limited amount of damage that you can deal.
Gotta be able to stick on these heroes, move around, and hope they can get towards that
damage.
Kionix for GPK, it's just Medusa, of course, Manta, no.
Muff Manta's got even, Butterfly, at least the eyes are on that.
Wheel of Wonder, hypnotizes Laurel, doesn't have a lot of mana, and the Impelmenards,
that Wheel of Wonder's gonna explode and get the kill.
Forcing him back here again.
Really well placed by Sage, get that Wheel of Wonder, and it's four heroes over mid once
More you're not afraid to leave the lane and leave the stacks that he's farming to get these kills
Well, man mirrors rotations have been crazy. He is also the one getting like if you think about his rotations
It kind of does make sense
Frog stop is an insanely good ability. It deals almost 500 damage to the K. Oh this time around
Rue is gonna get him that even one
Pointed mind flared the mana burn fast that deals so much
It hurts. I believe he initially hit him with the vendetta too and
takes out the storm. Now level 7. This is the type of a kill that you need as Nick's
assassin. He has shield rune, no vendetta for 30 seconds. This hero was so good. This
hero was actually broken back when you could use Mind Flare. Onto creeps, one shot them.
It was a bit 2-0-p. Everybody was playing it. Everybody was going daegon as well. Or
you can one shot a hero throughout the whole game. Basically just getting a bunch of gold
And then you were super farmed
These days Nick's assassin a little bit more tame. I
Got ring master involved tame that beast
He did the patch notes
Sardar close to getting that blink dagger and that's gonna be that moment
We're spirited gonna be able to use that vendetta when it's off cool down and reaching and trying to get these kills if they so choose to play aggressive
immediately collapses at 500 gold and probably
You know might want to shard before they
Go for that. He's not too far away from it. He's forming at a decent chunk
Obviously, it's still not available in stock for the X-minute 20
But once he gets there and has that then I could see them smoking going and yeah
I'm looking at Yachter. Imagine being 15 seconds slower than the average on that. That's so
He's a he's level 12 we're seeing a couple assassin pop off pretty much in every single game
They're not as active. Maybe you can get some like return kills
in the lane, but most of the time you are sitting at 0-0-0, makes assassin, do it today.
Rob stomped on that, they have the escape back from the arrow, taking a lot of damage, able to survive.
Sabe was able to get the wheel of wonder out, keep him alive, but Fiend's Grit now onto the Sardar,
who wanted to get involved with that blink-decker, collapses to run away, he's not quite dead yet,
but he is very low with all five heroes here from the side, Team Spirit.
They've got Yatoro coming in with a desolate of his own, then he just finished off 15 seconds off the average.
But the team fight ends with nobody dying.
Nobody really wanted to commit harder.
Wheel of Wander did hit, and very nice saves coming out from Ringmaster.
Getting Wheel of Wander at one point in a skate back was enough.
This is the one to come with it.
We're gonna be sale.
I mean, they have like three blink dagger buyers on side of Spirit, so any of them can
be paired up with Mixed Assassin.
And with that it's off cooldown and try to grab a kill.
You've got follow ups done there too, right?
Because you've got Panto on the Jikiro, Blank, Slytherin Crush, Ice Path goes over it.
You've got an Impale.
You've got so much lockdown for Spirit.
Same is not entirely true for Bet Boom, but they do have their own fair share of lockdown
in different forms.
Frog Stomp, Vortex, Fiend's Grip, Nightmare, Keep the Peace Soda, and IQ Test.
is entirely not true. It feels like solving one of those. These are the type of questions
that you get 14 down. This is a save that you would use on an ally. Could be escape
back, could be nightmare. I just lost an IQ trying to understand this. And Blink Dagger
has the first item. He's the one trying to play with Nick's assassin first, but I can
You can also see Team Spirit try to go for a smoke and try to make something happen.
Maybe the top part of the map as well, where they can easily take Roshan.
Slaughtered, level 11, still level 1, Horosive Haze, but with that Veso on Temporal Assassin,
it's more than enough damage.
That Boon Team, they don't really have a team that can actually kill Roshan early on.
This is Medusa Storm, other three heroes don't really do much.
Kurtis just got back onto the tower, but he was farming in a spot that didn't have a
Sentry to defend against Nixess and making that rotation over so they know exactly where he's gonna be and maybe they'll lead without a
Shrack, but instead collapses here, and they've got some heroes and Maro shows himself
So Medusa is not actually gonna be the one who gets jumped on it'll be to throw me will be killed off by the side of spirit
They didn't want that kill today. Wanted in something bigger
Ideally they want to pick off Medusa and look at the otter in the mid lane
And he's the one now with the blink dagger trying to put more pressure onto the tower.
Miero now getting jumped by Klaxomoros, stun connects, and that is gonna be a dead Wargo.
It was not a frog stomp, but it's not enough to save his life.
He's surely gonna be into that agonim scepter, but slowing it down, even a Ludo is gonna be good for Spirit.
Marlgo, he goes in, he gets the kill.
Level 12 now in Lesch, two points in Pulse Noah.
Huge damage increase from 80 to 135. It does cost 20 more mana.
Vendetta back up.
See if Nick's assassin, he's there with collapse, might just use it immediately go into the triangle.
GP take, continue to farm, and he wants to survive early with this BKB.
We've been seeing a lot of these early BKBs.
Definitely good to have that early protection.
Miro getting one of the better neutrals on Largo as well, getting that Searing Signet.
Mystical Searing Signet, extra magic resistance, extra mana regen, exactly what he needs on the hero.
It's the perfect fit. Got the ring size right.
Well, yeah, Signet's on her ring, I believe.
I believe so.
Panto just down bottom pushing in and early on has that liquid fire maxed out so he could
pressure these towers all by himself.
Just wanted to be greedy and be in the lane.
Character gets caught for a second by collapse but a TP from GPK goes after Panto and Ice
Path is there.
However, Panto was likely losing his life easily and with Kethomie and the vicinity
there too there was no free for him to really get out of this one then we'll
take the tier one mid while all this is going on so it's spirit six spippoon
nine and they move over to maybe catch save Miro and Kato me but he was on the
channel you might be able to wrap around and save war over the ball lighting
in there looking to get the vortex potential and a lot of damage for the
wheel of wonder exploding he's trying to survive but the frog stopped to doing a
A hefty load on Talarol and GPK with an easy kill again, moving around the map really well for BebBoom.
They're outmaneuvering Team Spirit in the last couple of minutes. Right now they are bringing in four.
Rue is very low on HP. Ideally for Spirit, you would want to get a pick-off, maybe two here and immediately go to the Roche pit.
Their responses have been numerous for BebBoom.
I really like what they're getting done in Karatich getting involved early on in this Medusa, even pushing this mid-tier one tower.
So not afraid to be here at all.
And that's just with Manta.
He's swapping the items around. Usually it is Manta-style butterfly into Scotty.
But this time around it is butterfly Scotty into butterfly.
I guess he wants to have more tankiness just so that he cannot be bursted.
Even though there are two saves on their side, like even Largo provides you with the save, but it's not like the best save, like he's not replenishing mana to you.
So you need to drop low, you need to lose all of your mana, and then maybe he can try to get a save.
But you do have Nightmare, you do have Ringmaster with the Wheel of Wanderer and the Escape Act.
Tormentor, easily killed for Team Spirit, immediately to the bottom lane. That's going to be another objective, but does seem like Beto of Team still wants to take the fight.
GPK freshly bought BKB nine second BKB. He's ready to go. They have the ob sentry and
Kira chitch kind of giving that away
Excess and having to back off that area, but they're coming around with a smoke ball lighting in the look for this
That's not the thieves grip you committed with the wheel of wonder. That's gonna be a dead Yotaro TA
And now all the both these heroes trying to get through the twin game one does the other does it
Panto ends up dead GPK gets that one root
fortunate enough that he was gonna be the one inside that catchy lick.
Rue, how's it go for me?
It's a hand of Midas.
Ideally, you would want to have Midas that gives XP on this hero, so that you would get more levels,
but this was a really nice play from Vet Boom teaming, if they could take away Roche from Team Spirit.
Depler Assassin is not gonna feel as comfortable playing into this matchup.
Pretty much the only good thing they have against Medusa is going to be Mott Manipa,
and I think they will realize that, and GPK will jump into Ixissass with the BKB and try to kill him,
and then Kiritich can take care of the rest.
So while a scary proposition to pick up Medusa into the Ixissass,
and it seems as though they've got the tools necessary to make sure that they're able to stick on to the next
and get him out of the fight early enough where Medusa feels unharmed,
Especially with this Aegis on GPK. He did pop up BKB so they're not gonna have that if they want to fight within the next minute or so.
Yep, tested it out. It does work. Turns on.
Had a call with, you know, customer support. Check if it works. It does.
And by waiting to have that BKB back up, that means Medusa's gonna have the Ioskadi ready to go in the next fight.
And you're hitting this point where these
Pretty big significant items are coming through for
Betboom and the net worth is even however
It does feel like the tempo is being controlled by rating
Yeah, I want to see what the win probability is because
The game is even but I would give huge advantage to the Betboom team in this one. Oh, and it is massive
I was maybe thinking like that. It's got to be like 65 35 in my book
I would say it might be even lower for Team Spirit, considering the matchup that Petusa does have in this one.
Then for Assassin, she needs quite a lot of items to be able to punch back against this hero, and GPK off to such a great start.
DKB holding the Aegis as well.
Next flight is pretty much going to determine in which direction the game is going to go.
We're kind of seeing one of the problems with Slaughter. His farm isn't amazing, he's towards the bottom of the cores,
and he hasn't exactly accelerated the team into getting a lot of kills
with that early blink dagger shard combo.
Yeah, they couldn't really find openings, but it also comes down to Nix's assassin.
Like, you can see the downside of Mana Burn Fasted when he's trying to go for the initiation.
He doesn't have that extra 120 movespeed or so.
It is still level 1 with Dettah.
Pretty long cooldown.
80 seconds.
This is not the target that they want to jump.
to jump. The target they want to go for and not follow up. They would like because nobody
else is there with Gru, but maybe they find somebody in the back line get a support or
something like that. Still want to be what they want. There's that ice guy to getting
delivered for the Medusa. Expect him to come. It looks like coming through the twin gate
to join them. It's a lot of slow. You're playing against ranged heroes. 25% if they're melee
50 if you're ranged. So half of your move speed is gone. Yikes. Nice track on Templar
Assassin. R the ranged hero, Jakiro. We're not going to mention him this hero. I feel
like he's going to die in three hits in a fight from his storm. Or Medusa. And immediately
to the bottom lane, they're utilizing these twin gates really well. Let's see if Yattaro
is going to get caught by this move. He's got all his track in an X-Assassin buy-in
but the vision game right now for the Radeon is really quite nice.
They're trying to stand in front of me.
Fall lighting, not tell me from a different side.
BKB starting early for the tempfire assassin just to run away.
They had the vision, they had the information,
but didn't quite jump the tempfire assassin to have that hold.
But they didn't get the BKB out with not much used.
Low commitment BKB take.
Looking up out of the high ground once more.
frog stop trying to stop this Nick's assassin who will get away.
They're trapping the high ground anyway, more movements coming in from Bed Boom, forcing
spirits to kind of sit back and not be able to respond.
25 minutes in, collapses trying to farm and you just see the jacuro trying to get something
under his belt and that's going to be the glimmer cave trying to have himself a little
bit of more survivability or save for an ally.
Winning it all so far in the supports though is this ringmaster
And that's even without charge if you're with the one who got it the GPK early BKB mix
Or texts on to Rue and they should get this kill easily next assassin
Out of the equation and that just means Medusa feels much more safe
Yeah, that's what we said
He's gonna be the one jumping mix assassin knowing that they have no saves available on their side
So if he gets initiated on he drops
It also means that it's gonna be much easier for Medusa to come into a play and
The big combo in this one is also croak of genius with the storm spirit
So you don't use as much mana it lasts for a really really long time. I
Tried to use that once
Fortunately, I used croak of idiot
Did not work out as well that's our ulti yeah
That's me when I'm casting play by play enough team fight. It's croak of idiot
here it's itch just continuing to farm for free and this first ages it doesn't
give them a lot of kills but that would have kind of set up the game to a point
where they like right there they're ahead of these big items it does feel as
though they're ready to set up quite nicely for the next five seven ten
minutes or so and the objective is exactly what you said kill Nick's
assassin early they got that early BKB for storm just to do that make sure that
they can stick on him. And now they'll find collapse, he pops this BKB. He doesn't have
the rest of the team showing up, Rue's gonna be in the area, they'll go to the Vendetta
hip and they'll miss the stun. So Rue, losing that opportunity to kinda get that locked
up but they still get the kill on the Viera. A good kill for Spirit to get. They'd like
to get a little bit more, but anything they can get right now is gonna feel quite good.
They need to fight around Medusa. Medusa, like, Q supports right now, they can't really go
go for a kill with the Offlaner. This is not this type of a lineup. They need to be paired
up with Inter-Storm Spirit or they need to all group up around Medusa. It seems like
Kiritich is waiting to finish off his butterfly. That's a big damage increase and also sways
the match up heavily until Teklor Assassin gets MKB. It seems like that's going to be
the item of the choice on TA sitting on 1600 gold right now. Yathra already knows this
butterfly is coming.
Veil for the Storm, Tier 2 getting low, a lot of heroes here to just commit onto the Tower.
Still, Spirit's Teamfight worries me.
I think the second Rue is taken out of these fights.
The percentage of victory in a fight goes down pretty heavily.
Their Lockdown is slightly limited.
Onside of Bed Boom?
Yeah.
to be Storm Spirited getting the jump, and he's looking for Nix again.
Dust, and it's there. They've caught him. Nix is Sass and will try to stun, but he can't
survive save getting the kill and not a killing spree. And without that Nix Sass and alive,
you know you're free to roam the map for the next 40 seconds and potentially look for
more. Or just farm and continue to bolster up. You've got the butterfly, Scottie, Keratich,
getting touched. That is the scariest thing when you talk about a Medusa line-up.
Shoe staying on top of the network. Yattaro is keeping up, but again it gets
very difficult for you to play against Medusa. The discati just destroys
Templar Assassin, using your movespeed by 50%, you being the ranged hero. And also
we're seeing, again, outside of Nick's Assassin. I think if he has the other
facet in that area, he survives. During the first 15 seconds of the data, he would
be okay. Mannavern of course, kinda needed in this one. You are playing against Medusa,
but we haven't still seen it being used to survive.
You think he got baited? Don't always feels like a bait to Mannavern.
I think you have to. I think you have to, no matter what. It's just that you're used
to playing Nyx Assassin with a different passive, so it definitely feels different.
Seems like this Nick's assassin 1, 3, and 3 not really finding much opportunity
Rui is going into the agonim scepter, so that's gonna feel pretty good
Especially if they get pushed to this point where they have to kind of sit in the high ground in defense
And he will get there. This is Nick's assassin with Midas and
Greedy facet. Ooh hundred extra GPM coming up for him
Meanwhile, Gikiro took a whisper of the dread mystical, so no GPM facet for the Gikiro.
Now you always make me look at the supports because you see that save, he's not taking
his tier 3 neutral, he's still actually sticking on his tier 2, probably didn't get greedy
again for the 100, so he's keeping it on the 75.
And then Bane doesn't have greedy at all.
Kiritich, moving bottom to help secure this arcane rune for GPK.
Rosh is coming towards bottom and it was a smoke from Spirit.
Kind of expecting them to make a move in that sense.
But even with these smokes, Nix isn't really the one leading anymore.
Not the idea that I really expected initially from him.
And maybe he realizes he can't be that leader with the vision that they have down.
He needs to be a little bit further back, have somebody else lead.
Light collapse, he's got that AKB, so he can get those mana birds off.
I was about to say, I think they need a gem as well.
You see Temporal Assassin, Traps, Nyx Assassin, Nyx Assassin's also just a thousand gold away from his aggro interceptor.
So you will need to see this hero to try to kill him.
When he's underground, 40% damage reduction.
It's gonna need to be Medusa taking care of that business and Medusa also just hit level 20
So 3S from extra mystic snake bounces
Plus has seratid shiv with the alert all the damage even like the small item the casual crystal is that's gonna be upgraded later
Elapsed leading with charge lands down observer ward gets broken on keratich
There's the Gorgon's grasp looking for something that doesn't find it ball lightning still empty hands for GPK
Working with this gem, Laurel going safe and then the ball heading into the vortex.
They're going to try and get the kill out of the Lashrak early.
He's taking so much damage, not surviving this one bit.
Laurel's dead for 65.
He went in, the rest of his team didn't really have the ability to commit.
Collapse was kind of in there as well, but not really focusing on Hero.
I think he realized immediately that Laurel was just dying too quickly, he had to bail.
Yeah.
These type of heroes like Lashrak, a dead prophet, I know it's not a hero right now,
But they always hated the blade into long-range turrets like draw ranger
Do so of course and also terribly these are the heroes that build into Scotty instead for draw ranger
But she has a built-in slow so you're unable to move and being
If you only have your BKB timing to deal damage
You're not gonna be able to just get stuff done immediately on the other side of the map. Gbk still smoked looking for panto
good ball aiming and close the gap and that's exactly what he will do but
CHI tries to turn this one around and get some damage on a GPK
Icepan misses it now the problem is Yatoro is gonna be locked up by the wheel of wonder
and have the rest over here
Yatoro trying to survive with a BKB gets out and out of the way from Miero but
they're sticking with him the BKB is gonna run out he can't TP away no end
up dead double kill for GPK and this is where the game opens up not only did you
just get an Aegis but you did just get a kill on their carry and that is big time
Positivity for Bedbooth.
Tame the beast onto collapse.
They don't want to follow this up as they're kind of lacking the mana on some of these heroes, and they don't have everybody there.
And this will now be Aghanim Scepter for Rue.
But the positioning has to be really good from him because they have the Gem on Storm.
Yeah, he can jump whoever he wants. They're going to lose quite a lot of vision.
and Kiritditch, right now we're seeing the general in action again, Marl just dropping to save Zagger
Impelment arts man, even late in the game feels so effective. I think BedBoom wants to try to close this one out
They had a couple of issues dealing with Team Spirits' split-bush immediately
They were trying to jump in front, but now they have the banner and off to the high ground, but look at this mana burn
Now get him Scepter completed, another mana burn already
Yeah, this is what I was saying though. They're just able to fall, they can kill Rue.
He has no buyback. They know. They know. They know. He just finished off back at him, Scepter.
You're gonna at least lose this Tier 3, probably the whole set.
Before you're able to respond if you don't want to use Laurel's buyback, but you really don't.
I guess the fortunate thing is that they still have a Tier 2 mid.
So they can't lose two sets.
So they're not going to run up top to go get that.
Still holding the Aegis.
And also Largo just got his level 20 in the previous fight.
50% Groove and Armor aura.
You are playing against physical damage,
Templar Assassin and also Slaughter,
which means that you have good amount of protection,
plus the Solar Crest on Ringmaster,
which is also going to be used as an offensive tool
when Medusa is sieging the high ground.
Noble mana boots as well from both of the supports to replenish mana.
Ideally, you also want to be having those lotuses. There are four lotuses on the right side and one on the other side of the map.
Looking at this Beppu line up and I'm a little bit nervous we're going to become a Medusa patch again.
You said it's finding more popularity and it's showing to be strong even against something like the Nyx Assassin.
Obviously, that's also the heroes around it and how the way Beplum have been playing,
but we've seen this hero feel really strong, and, you know, twice today already.
How many Medusa patches can we have?
Division placed down by Team Spirit.
Seeing if they maybe could use that information to start to get their way back into the game,
They're down 10,000 net worth
They really need to get
Honestly anything they can the best kill of which would probably be GPK to take away the gem
Medusa is on a completely different side of the map
They do have outposts so he can TP to an outpost after he gets that shrine of wisdom and immediately
To the top lane it seems like this is the area where they want to be holding they have double absurdity in the enemy triangle
Still holding the Aegis.
Nix assassin would definitely love to be level 15 to have extra 3 seconds less on that mana burn.
Halfway to that level, so it's going to take some time, Swither and Crush, and then the Ball Lightning, he's kind of searching for this Nix assassin.
But Rude, hiding himself in between the tier 4 towers, they get to go to Pants where they're going to catch you, lick on a Yatoro.
Damage followed up, A on this pot, so out the arrow is going to be able to pop that BKB and save the face of these heroes on the side of Team Spirit.
They get underground, but things are heavy when you're on a round, snake, and a mystic snake doing so much to laurel to get that kill to the strat.
And with the gem, they see the Nixess ass in, meaning Rue's got no options, but to die.
Collapse, PKB, I'll ask that Jeffert to survive.
Myback's gonna be committed by the Nixess ass in.
But again, nothing is really stopping GPK from just going in and digging him up again.
Trusty Shovel might be out of the game, but when he's got a gem, he can dig Rue right out of the ground.
Another BKB already in 25 seconds, Crocovgenius again, mana cost reduced by 50% on GPK.
It's a lot, like it gets pretty insane how much you can do and this is the reason why
they kind of respect this Nick's assassin taking him out every single time before the
fight starts.
First time I think we saw Kiritich with less than 10% mana, but still at an ages for four
more seconds anyway gonna get all this mana back they might even just be able to
re-go and a hex for GPKBX things so much harder another layer of control added
to the Bet Boom lineup that on top of the fact that they've got these PKB's
they have this gem they know where you're kind of sitting on the next
assassin and it's just so tough to survive and Yatoro might be the next
one in trouble if he gets spotted on this final lane but ball I think goes in
Lashrak caught, not able to survive at all in this game.
There's one, Manaburn. He does have a cold, bledded.
Landing, ball, I think, but SpyCara first thinking about GPK, now puts him out of mana.
Kalmanart's thrown over on Rue, as well as Panto, they get the ice path depth,
and the feed script is onto the Sardar.
Wheel of Wonder means they've got to continue locked down,
they get the kill there, and they'll look over now in the arrow.
He's quite tanky, that strength gain, and everything that he's got going for him
It's gonna give him a lot of HP. I'll pay 4,000 HP for this frog.
It's disgusting.
Now, Jupacay, he would love to have some extra bit of mana.
Exception is out. Just too far, gets caught, and Rue's gonna be dead without buyback there for 70 seconds.
And they're gonna try and get themselves back into the base because they've used these BKBs.
However, the fight split. Panto has to go north, so does Collapse. He's got no BKB.
There's nowhere for him to go GG is calling. I mean Miero on this frog street spirit like a bunch of stamps
Just like it. I'm down and flying them out and she became medium to with the fist bumps on the side for a good reason
He was the one controlling the tempo of this game playing with frog
I really love these early rotations coming up from Miero. This is something that spirit didn't do
They brought every single time one extra player to the team fight and it did look amazing for a bad boom team
Yeah, the movements were peak from that boom. They do a great job to get themselves
A lead in this series, we're going to send it over to the panel and hear their thoughts on the whole situation.
Yes, a very surprised panel, because obviously as we went into the game, we looked at the draft, we were a little bit confused about the Medusa.
I think everyone was, you know, Medusa into Nix, definitely not something you want to do.
And there was a little bit of back and forth, but ultimately the writing was on the wall, you know, from the end of the mid-game onwards.
I mean also like not just even this matchup like I was saying before the game starts like there's a pathetic like Roche
You know lineup from sure on bedroom
They take the first ages minute 22 then they get the second one like twice shortly after so there was a lot of like things that I saw like
I thought it would play out very different
But I will also say like in some of these hits you see Lara wasn't really having that good of a time
I really like what they were doing from kind of you like start to finish even here safe
They had a lot of like individually like very high clutch plays and they played very well together
together. Yeah, I totally agree. I really like what Lacto said at the end there where
like Miro with the early rotations towards mid. It's really cool to see that. Ironically,
the first person that I saw making rotations like that's mid as an offlaner was a few years
ago and it was collapsed. Like Team Spirit was a team that like broke the mold for how
rotations should play out. There was obviously the you should go mid at six minutes for the
room like everyone knows that right but people are not expecting an off-laner to show up at like a four-minute water room fight
But when you're playing this logo and you know the first 15 minutes of the game
You're just kind of like chilling and farming and this is when people are trying to punish you. He subverts this by
Getting active and it's it's it's really really cool. It just changes the timings
I will say on another note. I learned a lot from this game
I really liked how GPK was jumping Rue on Nix's Assassin.
They had clearly identified that Nix would be a problem for Medusa,
but they answered it through their other heroes in the game.
And that's just really solid team play.
I think for me, I was looking too much at the one-to-one matchup of these two heroes.
But if a team is playing at this level, then there's answers to that through the gameplay.
It's like also the same. Like if you look at his itemization,
He's 11-11, 84% kill participation.
They got this early gem, not just against the TA traps, but also the Nyx who we said was going to be a bigger counter in the game,
which it showed a little bit, but I think he didn't really get to the full point he needed to be,
because then he gets hexed, he gets jumped, every BKB is like the death of the Nyx,
and then Medusa is still countering the other two heroes.
So I think that Spirit ran into a lot of problems.
I will say that I think some of their gameplay was a little bit lacking,
But at the same time, I think BB, they just made use of that.
I think they all played incredibly well and they just, I would say they made it
look kind of easy, actually.
Yeah, they did, which is quite surprising considering they're up against Team Spirit.
Um, I will say that, uh, we thought something like this yesterday in the
liquid series where the first game was quite a stomp against liquid and then a
team of that caliber can absolutely, you know, shit the bed, so to speak.
Yeah.
And then talk about it and be like, okay, guys, come on, that was, that was bad.
That was just bad.
And then game two completely changed and then went out the series.
So it's a really good start for Beppu, they're playing to a very high caliber.
I want to see that again, but I also expect Spirit to play better in the next game.
Me too, because like also with how the draft changed, like the order,
you didn't have ban AM into pig Medusa.
It was ban AM, you still had a ban left on Spirits.
So obviously they had a very similar idea.
They were not afraid of this Medusa.
maybe now you know if you talk about again you're like well you know who had
this idea that it is fine because apparently it's not so you can just like
learn go into the next game swipe it away and come and clean. So let's talk
about the frog. Let's get it out of the way let's talk about this this
hero you've we've got a little compilation what's going on here Kazim. I mean it's
just like the fact like Jenkins was very talking about you know it's not that
common but it is very good in this game like you see Nero already the fight just
broke out he's already like coming in he's like in all these plays and again
you can see that Larl is kind of jumping the gun I think a little bit here you know even before Miero is here like
He's kind of dying already, but I think you know we were talking about it's nice to see that Miero wasn't like even here
He's farming the triangle, but he's keeping mid just to be here like the one or two seconds earlier
And you know without him being here Larl would live yet a haste room, but he purged it off
They get the kill you can even see they're tipping him and even if he stays top lane what does he do it to a TA nothing?
There's no interaction you both just you know trading and farming creeps
And I think this goes to show like the greatest players when there isn't much more to do
They need to be like clear and they are very clear on what is there that I can do that is more they go to the main thing
It's great
And I think when you're also finding something that is subverting what is the regular flow of Dota that's
on that on that other level where you can break
Even ti caliber teams because nobody is expecting at that mid fight to have an off laner
Especially something like a Laro because in most cases he wants to just farm triangle or push the lane and go farm triangle
But like you said, it's uncomfortable because of the matchup. He's against he's against TA
He's gonna get shit on if he goes to lane and that's like I think that's just so good
Like you need to be like clear because like you said there's money often
It's like I have stacks in my triangle. I'm not gonna come. They don't talk to me. You know, I'm gonna forget my gold
I'm useful later, but he understands if I TP here
We're gonna make this up and he changes like this whole matchup because let's break into Medusa
It is volatile and now Laro doesn't have a good early game then his making is even harder
So Miro, very nice performance actually. Now we can see something sad, we can have a look at
the Nix's assassin at 34 minutes. So it was an interesting idea from him. He, you know, clearly
identified that getting an eventual ag in him Scepter was very important, but Nix does not have
a really good way of farming. So he built a Hand of Midas, which he did get at an okay timing,
You know and the eggs also came out at in okay timing. Yeah, it's just that by the time he got these items
Spirit had lost too much because of the
excellent play from bet boom the early game advantages that they were getting and
Gpk identified that rule was gonna be a problem
Even now I think there was a chance that if they made a couple of mistakes on bet boom
They would look really bad, but they're still respecting how much rule is doing
jumping him in the ag's form and killing him, popping DKB.
This is the only way that they lose the game, is that if Rue gets a...
Even two or three extra spells off, it's taking like 20% of Medusa's mana.
So that kills her. That's killing her a couple of spells.
So very, very good play from GPK as well.
Also, while it does look like a meme, I think it's Furuken, like the latest game in Rue.
There's like a goal scepter, a force, maybe his teammates can do the same.
And like the greedy enchantment as well.
Exactly, which he did have, you know, Midas with the greedy.
with the greedy you get so much gold but there was like this one kill they got on
your Toro top with like a great play by save then they go into a triangle then
somehow Lala is dying and then they just go straight up high ground so like Jenkins
saying they had these opportunities and they immediately took it to like the best
like extent they could have done they understood that they were on a timer yeah
yeah all right guys some explosive play from Betboom puts them ahead in the
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Yes, welcome back, Bed Boom are indeed up against Spirit, but as we know historically,
and I do think it's a bit of a tired narrative, but one I will borrow anyway, Spirit, yeah,
they're always good loser game here, loser game there and still win.
So they're not going to be too ruffled.
I will say though, they might rethink some of the heroes they're letting through that
logo. We didn't really talk about it too much, but it did do a lot in that game.
I mean, it is like the type of hero that usually lets you still have what you want, and I think
Spirit are kind of happy with that, but I agree with you. You know, looking back, maybe the Frog,
maybe the Medusa were more of a problem than they thought it would be, Mr. Andrew.
I agree. I, I, every time Largo gets let through and then he gets the Ags and you see the fight
where he's just strumming and running everyone down, everyone's health is slowly tick, tick, tick.
it's like oh every time oh no what have they done it feels like the maybe maybe
it's the worst of the big four like triant SF bat in Largo to let through
it's like bat in Largo recently has seemed to be popping off in their games
SF maybe there's some answers like the Marcy Ursa I'll say this I mean bat
obviously a bit of a specialty pick we've seen some pretty dodgy bat rider
of plays and players and builds over the course of this Valhalla. I think Largo is kind of
just plugging in and play, you know, exactly what you have to do. I think one of the disappointing
things, I think you made this point Andrew, one of the disappointing things with the hero
is it sort of has become very pigeonholed, you know, it's like you've got to set build path,
you've got to have these items, you've got to hit this timing and you have to do these things.
With Largo? Yeah. Yeah, and it is, I think it's very one dimensional. I mean, I'm waiting for the
patch to come out. I think a lot of everyone is. I think the hero is
incredibly good game design, really fun to play. Oh sure. But it's you don't need
to do damage. I would rather it's just like an actual bard type character,
because honestly the support logos are fun to watch and people clearly
enjoy playing it and it seems good. It's just overshadowed by this completely
Crazy overpowered egg and I'm scepter in the offline that it's you can
Go afk for 15 minutes, and it's so good. It's justified
It's always fascinating as well because you can see from the way it's designed conceptually valve one of this to be a support
No, for sure and then you drop it into the game and everyone's like ha broken off. Yeah, they're like, oh, we gotta add an egg
So people can maybe played as a core. Nope. It's just a core
Yeah, it just happens like when you make things that are just like too good because you can see even in games when the heroes like
hard countered most teams are still just putting it on their off-laner because
they're like well someone else fixes this problem my bro gets his axe and you
just play a normal game. Insta-win. The axe itself is stupid.
Let's see because like going back to the Batrider I mean at least this time
around like Spirit R first pick I'll say Collapsus Bat is very good and so is
Mero so I would still be semi-surprised if that hero does actually make it
through. Yeah which means Spirit might go back to what they've done in some of
of the earlier series, which is first pick Beastmaster.
Okay, they, Beppu simply bans the four
blatantly overpowered heroes.
They don't want to do any sort of complicated dangle
where they have to change the way that they're drafted.
Gotta say, it must be pretty easy right now
if you're a coach, you must be a little in this.
Oh yeah, I've got some sick prep guys.
I got some sick prep.
I think if you want to be top six, maybe,
but the team that wins this
will have figured these heroes out.
And there will be layers of complication
when it comes to the draft.
I love what Tundra's doing with their drafting lately.
Sometimes their games are not so good, but.
I said that the other day.
I thought they actually outdrafted it
in the two of the liquid game.
They didn't get the results.
They're probably the best drafting team right now
in terms of countering the meta-heroes, baiting things,
and already having pre-prepared counters,
picking things early so they can't get
Overpowered heroes against them themselves. So tell me about this beats master Kazim. It's just really good, right?
Like your Toro he keeps playing it from Kerry. It's super good
I know they can also play it on their other roles, but it has looked the best on position one
I will say I want to see more conquer like there was a meta a year ago where bristle conquer
Especially first pick into second pick you're the second pick guy you pick either bristle or conquer
And you can always match it into the lane because you know where he will go. So you just put the guy there
I think it was also whispered from heroic. He showed us that that matchup is very good
Doesn't matter if the guy free farms you're gonna free farm you can kill the boards and this is also like when you think about a
Seamfighting he's gonna blink roar BKB
He needs to kill a guy during this time if you get the bolt on the guy during this, you know
You can outlive the BKB. You can live through the roar
So I would love if BB start thinking about this type of hero or spirit, you know for them to consider at least banning it
I agree Mira has
Played it. He's a great conco. The question to me about conca right now is not is it good?
Is it like a solid pick against certain heroes because there's okay
It's like is somebody willing to play it because it's been off meta for such a long time in the off lane
$100 that casual good. Yeah, there you go
On dinner tonight with you to watch Kung Fu Panda while you eat. I'm on the second one there. Yeah, you are that's a good movie
That's the best one
Okay, well tiny is I mean generally a good hero. We've seen a lot of tiny coddle
Yeah, I'm rising up there actually for the tiny mid seems to come through almost every mid matchup and skied right now
We even saw it in the will huska and it was fine. It was okay. I mean it was doing some amazing cool
Which we'll see later later why that work
Because all this foreshadowing in the industry because there are some very interesting things happening in that game
game, but it does work. It does feel like, honestly, ever since they made Avalanche in
Aura, I mention it every single time, it is truly like the biggest buff to Tiny in so
many years. The tossback, like the ability to toss back into other stuns on a hero like
Beastmaster who is going to have a BKB, but you can chain stun him through it effectively,
crazy powerful. I think it's also like overall I like how people build this hero
I mean it's not like super complex but when you're holy bossado. Oh my goodness.
All right so we got Necro Moranta. This is a very cool double pick so obviously
Moranta could be flexed you know it can be your one it can be your four. Necro is
probably your mid but can be offline especially what we can see here so it
could be you know your tiny Necro that are just going offline together or the
Tiny that goes mid and Echo that goes mid. So you've got a lot of options
And so if you're spirit you can already tell
Yeah
I mean having backline jump would be quite nice like both Murta and Necro don't really enjoy that so much I would also say
Vessel and hero set build she was are very good
It is not that normal you see a Necro 16 17 pick like this because you still have like two picks for spirit to kind of deal with that
Yeah, to me this screams
There is some hero that will hard punish both of these heroes because
They're both ghost heroes like they both turn immune to physical damage in some way
Like Batrider would be an insane pick if it wasn't first-phase bands in every single game
I think Invoker is pretty good as well for
Just dealing it up. Okay, they go for the Invoker
It's very good against Mark that the the like
Hidiness of the hero doesn't feel good to play again. So hundred dollars. This one deserves more. This is a really good pick
I'm going to wash kind of Pupanda 3 while you're 100.
200. That's good.
But it's also, you can tornado off the ghost shroud from Necrofos, all of the like pokey, you know, magical damage, Necro and Martha both don't like playing into.
Yeah.
So this feels like a good pick and they have a Beastmaster war plus a Cataclysm, they have Shadow Shulman stuns plus a Cataclysm.
It's a very well rounded draft from Team Spirit.
I also have been enjoying seeing the warlock paired with the shadow shaman because obviously it gives you
Objective objectives. Yeah, you can go and take that early Roche with just two supports and one of the diet picker
I think I think you mentioned it yesterday
100 yeah, that you can like you can rock Roche and then you can serve from wards of tower and then you rock the next
Tower, it's like you can pair them together and have really strong fights or you can like rotate them and just
Pressure the map super hard
I mean, as long as Warlock has a good early game,
there's sometimes we see like the black grimoire
one level in it at like 14 minutes.
If it's a really bad game
and Warlock doesn't have that big early timing,
but most of the time he does.
Yeah, I think the worst we saw,
I can't remember who it was now for the life of me, but.
It was white one.
You know, it might be white one.
The level one grimoire at like 21 minutes.
Yeah, it was bad.
Yeah, it was a rough one.
Thunder has had very polarizing games.
They're winning eventually,
but they've had polarizing games.
I think I'm looking now, like if you're a BB team, they should pick a new mid hero, I would say.
Like you can put Tiny mid, but you can just have Tiny Necro in the offlane,
and like you want something that deals with the Invoker, but at the same time,
if you look at what Spirit heroes can do, they have insane amount of like map split and split push.
You have Bors, you have double force, Spirit Sader, you can have a golem,
you can have like the Rastafords that we talked about, so I think for BB you want a hero that does well mid,
and then like also gives you, I would say, either catch or like your own form of ghost push,
Which it's not that easy to get from it. I think for them I could see a hero like maybe slaughter
I think that like ties the lineup together in some degree you are very good against the invoker water is very good
Yeah, and then for spirit we need to think for them like obviously they need to pick first
It's good if you can cover like the range cores. I could see primal beast actually. It's not a hero
We've seen too much, but blademail is quite good
I mean your lane isn't amazing because it's more of a jacquero
But it's quite hard to find an offering that you'll have a go. There's not much that links against that
I mean, I guess you could like go doom and get the purge creep
Actually, we're eating well tonight. Yeah eating well tonight. Yeah kung fu panda for I guess with this one
We're letting all of that's a three hundred dollars. So it's six hundred in total. We've got
They picked the car. So it's the post four car with the mid-time. Yeah, I'll tell you okay
So I'm going to need a moment to process all of this.
This is a very interesting draft.
Honestly, the Primal versus Necro matchup in the game is a bit strange.
It's volatile.
Like, Primal can do a ton of magic damage through the Ghost Shroud.
But on the flip side, Primal's also the highest strength gain hero in Dota, and Necrofos presses
a button that kills you if you have a lot of HP.
The same thing goes for Primal vs. Marta, you can trample her down through her ult.
You're doing magic damage to both of these heroes, and they don't like that, but she's
also good against these tanky strength boys who want to get in there.
She drops her spirits and you're going to get silenced, so it's a very volatile matchup.
I mean, both raps are actually very cool in their own way.
I think that this Marta and Necro double pick in the second phase.
It sets up for a very different type of style of drafting from what you usually see.
And I like the Necro into Beast quite a bit.
I will say that I would maybe slightly lean on the Spirit draft just a little bit.
I think you know that Invoker is going to do quite well, like Laurel mid.
At the same time, you have BB that they can play through their Tiny quite nicely.
And we have seen the Caudal Tiny before.
They are of course very strong, especially when played well together.
But I always love seeing Collapse on Primal.
This guy, he takes over against him.
He's so good at Primal.
It's insane.
I think it sort of replace the madness. Yeah, it's it has it has I think today is the day that people start looking at that
Boom, I mean after it might be right after picking where it's a necro in the in that phase like that
It just this screams like look at us. We we're we're fearless and I I really respect that
I do really like spirits draft
I think they have answers, but I love how fearless that boom is in the drafting
I have a coach at the moment. No, that's their manager who's like, yes
Remember they're doing all these cool funky drafts without someone helping them.
Yeah, because he's taking a break.
No, they're having creativity on their own, like with the players.
We kind of know it from them, you know, they've got the skill, do they have the ideas to back it up?
I feel like it's kind of looking like it.
I think it's a very cool draft, like coming up from them.
And I just think it's very important, like for their early game, that it stays stable.
You don't bleed some kills here, because you give them an early goal, and if it collapses, a good early game,
he can like rotate around, because Lau, he needs time.
I'm curious how the Beastmaster Necrolane goes.
Might just be a farm trade? I'm not sure. We'll have to wait and see.
We are going to watch the game because we have to do that contractually.
And for now, we're going to throw you over the slacks on the sidelines.
Absolutely. We are here and I have to say, okay, I'm going to let you do this first.
If you had to sum up Bet Booms Draft in one word, what would that word be?
I have no words.
No words. I'll help you out here.
Erigant. Erigant that.
Two Ethral heroes, Necrophos and Muerta.
I mean, come on. That's just, that's just dangerous.
Think that they're the best team in the world or what?
I don't know. You look too much into the lore, I think.
You look at heroes differently.
Okay, all right, all right. Well, you, how were you looking at those two heroes?
Because you answered it with the Collapsed Primal Beast,
one of his most iconic heroes in the current day at age.
Is that the hero that's going to be taking these two down?
I think our most important pick was Invoker as you see on 18 on draft. I think it was good as a collapse, primal
I mean, I'm just always excited to see it. I think as many people are. I hope he has a good game
Okay, well, let's talk a little bit about that Invoker. Obviously we're gonna be dealing a lot of damage especially for
Against those Ethereal heroes, especially how you think this mid matchup weighs out
It's just like normal lane for both heroes. I think that's very important for Invoker, that he just has like three lanes, like 50-50, it's 1 to 1.
You guys are going to be winning this one in your humble opinion?
Yeah.
Easy?
I'm not sure about that.
If you had to put your life on it, if I told you that I was going to attack you, if you guys lost, would you do it?
I'm already very intimidated by you, so most definitely yes.
Okay, we'll see if the teams are as intimidating as that, just go to the game. I got nothing for that.
Great job! Good interview.
We'll take it from here as we've got Spirit coming up against Bethune in game number two.
Nice little insight into the world of and mind of Milan.
I think it was... I like the interviews like that.
I like Slack's interview, period.
You don't know what you're getting, whether it's his last interview, because he might say something, but...
Yeah, that's a very interesting draft coming up from the BedBoom team. Definitely not expected anything similar.
Again, it needs to be GPK. It needs to be him having a good game.
In the previous one, it was Croc of Genius paired up with the Storm Spirit this time around.
It is Tiny with the Keeper of the Light, and save being one of the best Keeper of the Light players in the world.
I'll definitely put him up there. Maybe G.H. has like more iconic stuff because he's the old school and also managed to do more, I would say, but save is definitely up there.
They're cooking with something with this lineup, having that Necrophos with the Muerta. Something very ethereal is going on and we'll see what they can get done with this lineup.
And you know, I'm kind of looking at the Beastmaster.
I feel like we've had some examples of where this hero falls off a little bit later on, like late-ish 35-40-ish.
I mean, we've seen some struggles, but it's not just the- it's not like a damage problem or anything.
It's the other team I feel like has a little bit more of the late game in the past when we've seen Beastmaster like it.
I think this time around, it's not going to be as hard for him.
Once he gets to his BKB time, they have like no abilities to go through debuff immunity.
We've seen good amounts of refreshers, mostly from the mid-beastmasters, from the carry roll you see it, maybe as a like 5th, 6th item, collapse, in trouble.
O'Grenade landed, but the shackles will control Kiritich and the odds are back, but first by Gathome, Kiritich will die to ruin return.
And most importantly, he did not get his tranquil's.
Even though Primal Beast, this is a collapse we're talking about before he was even building Sunstrike.
Lends the Sun Strike, but eats the Fairy Fire, eats the Shock, and another kill, a double for Rue!
Yeah, Collapsus is the one who was also building in Tobango boots from the Offlane on Primal Beast, even before this tranquil boots meta was popular.
So might do it if it gets cancelled.
What do you like about this Necrol? Or, you know, Pro's cons, what do you like and dislike about this Necrol?
I'll ask you the whole kick-a-boodle. You're playing against some high HP heroes,
you're playing against Primal Beast, you're playing against Beastmaster as well, probably
as you're playing in a good amount of lockdown, you're playing into BKB piercing tools as
well, they have like three BKB piercing abilities. I don't think this is gonna be as easy game
for Morita, a lot of the time you see this here and you're like, oh, they don't have
many things, but even if you use Roar, if you use Pulverize, you get hexed after during
the BKB timing because she's gonna lose like half of the value of the BKB duration to try
to deal the damage and I'm looking at the saves that they have this time around.
All Sunstrike fairly misses. Save almost walked into it.
But in not walking into it he was able to get the Illuminate out, they get the Kill of the Panto.
And we'll get something in this top lane finally going for them.
Not bad overall. Mero so far in his career has six game on Necrophos.
What was the last time uh what's it looked like in the last five months? How many games?
I don't think he played it a single time, but he has won three out of six games, and let me just double-check that real quick.
Write that down, write that down, as it's 50-50.
He actually played it against uh...
Yellow submarine three days ago. Okay. What was it before that? What was the game before that?
Played it at Dream League as well, so they still do believe in this hero. Okay, so we're seeing it
sporadically is what you're saying but they're the ones who kind of believe in
the hero and we'll see if they could make the Necro work. You kind of go to this
three green core lineup. Very important. Yeah it's one of the most important
things I think in the entire thing. Onsha comes through, Kithomi. He gets stopped on
that chase going for Rue. Well, I'm not able to really get that kill onto the
to Kiro.
It's usually what I fall back to when I've got nothing really analytical to say.
I go back to the heroes I see.
The heroes look similar.
But Miro's going to be going for Vessel first.
I like that a lot.
I think you need to bring some kind of early damage to this hero.
I don't think you're going to allow it to go for something like Radiance, because it's
It's not a good Radiance game by any means, in terms of you're not playing against the
heavy physical damage scores, Beastmaster does good amount, but Invoker, it's all about
the spell damage, Beast, Primal Beast, never attacks pretty much.
So having a Spirit Vessel should be good, lowering the cooldown as well.
With that Chakra Magic.
But I also want to see Boots of Travel.
I think this hero needs that movement ability, because you have Morta and Necrophos.
These heroes are very sluggish.
heroes don't want to move so I think we should travel is a must item to pick up
this game. Rue hit with the dead shot, not able to get back towards the tower and
now Liquid Frost on him saves coming to the area and that will be a kill onto the
Shadow Shaman. Four heroes down here, Bonn. This is something that Pet Boom did last
game too, the overwhelmed spirit with a lot of numbers in these early rotations
and they're wrapping the other 7-minute shrine. They are bringing in Tiny. Tiny with
Arcane Rune, one of the most difficult heroes to fight into early. He's still level six,
maybe he would like to be level seven, but they are going to steal away the Rune.
Caratage, Venom on Zonam, Amalance comes in, but now the Shadow Shaman's here, Sunstrike,
looking for it, lands on a Caratage, and gets the kill on Muerta, and that is going to feel
quite nice if they can get some more. Save, he's bound to half health, Amalance comes in,
Shadow Shaman, true thrown his way, Rude dead again, Panto, now eating a lot from this tiny,
but the Illuminate lands on a collapse as this primal beast needs to kind of avoid the keeper of the light
1200 damage coming up from tiny this is tiny with your cane rune and we can also magic avalanche is ready
I don't think he needs to commit with this one could be in a lot of trouble, but Sun strikes are connecting most of the time save
Let's manage to survive here
Shoulda we're not enough
Pretty accurate so far with the Sun Strikes. I know sometimes we have percentage numbers, but usually it's after I've said they hit a hundred of them.
Yeah, well, alright. Oh, he denied it.
Denied the shield route. 25% is not as high as I thought it was.
Maybe we saw two hits and...
He also used one.
Ragecreet.
Ragecreet, immediately.
Gpk playing super aggressive behind enemy lines, making this rotation.
rotation it's already a 1k gold lead for pet boom team. Miero continues to farm up.
He's at least 6. Yeah, top of the net worth.
Not going to uh, boots travel it seems though. Might still decide the changes mind.
Or isn't that much like physical damage anyway. Phase boots is a cheaper option that gives you
you the movespeed, but I want to see them like play with Tiny. I think Tiny will need
a hero to play with, also Keeper of thought it doesn't have the recall facet, playing
with the Solar Blind, which doesn't make a lot of sense in this one. You have more down
the theme, reducing their magic resistance, great with Necrophos, great with Tiny. This
kind of with the Tiny is kind of disgusting. It really is. It has always been. And I'm kind
Right there with you with wanting to bootstrap on Echo just the way that the boom have been playing in these two games where they want to be together in high numbers
They've been moving around as a unit so far obviously caretich needs to stay bottom and continue to farm
But they're looking to gank towards bottom so they're sticking as a trio unit
Under some vision right now. They've got some vision of their own that sees Rue
That means primal beast is gonna go to the outside of the lane
and avoid
The boom rotation. Root trying to make something happen in this top lane, Miro
Does go back they would definitely love to get extra bit of XP their XP rune got stolen
Panto 2 charges on Blackrim OR, he will get level 6
Let's see if they decide to move to the top lane, especially if they get some big rune like a haste
It's gonna be bottom
Denied again
while denying these ruins making sure if he can't have it no one can but GPK
just continuing to farm the screenwave and saves just right there to be the
battery every single time Chakra magic is off cooldown he's throwing it right
on that tight and that has led to GPK having a pretty significant net worth
top is Beastmaster which is kind of to be expected not gonna be fighting
until he's got that power up in the drums of slum.
Sentry blocking that ancient camp gets them that obb,
so they'll take away a lot of that information
that Spirit had protecting them over in the bottom lane,
as they've been rotating through the triangle,
but let me get caught here by Yatoro,
has that primal roar to get that kill
and the help from this warlock.
Vision was up there that's just about to expire,
but stays there long enough
where they're able to get a kill on the jikiro,
I believe add another stack to the black or more. No, he's still at that too
Can't be level six if he pops it
These masks are farming in a different area of the map care that you're also thinking about maybe using the twin gate
But so is Panto and skin does connect seems like they're good. Oh
Very nice read
Penta going back to check if they were coming through again saw that it was getting activated
They didn't quick go through, they actually get a TP out of the trees.
Smoke's gonna be broken. It's gonna be the one chain for IPK.
Got the toss, and now the macro pyro, and for a sun strike to land under these here,
there's a lot of damage done under the TPK.
Tiny, and Kiritich comes back over to the dead shot, going off the goal,
and doesn't land on anything else.
Rue slowed down to the silver bind, has the illuminate to land,
the silencer's there with the calling that just touches Rue,
and they'll use that Reaper Scythe to kill off the Shadow Shaman.
Got that reader site, extra bit of region and most importantly he got the charge and spirit vessel
but they did not want GPK to die, he was very close to Blink Dagger, will have it
once he uses his combo on the creep wave
Blink Dagger about to be completed
This is like one of my issues, he doesn't really have that hero to play with
They might need to rotate to either Kiritoch's lane, or they need to find a way how to get Miero into the action, because this hero is very sluggish.
I also want to see multiple Force Assets in this game. It's very good against Beastmaster, pushed him out of the trouble, great against Shadow Shaman as well.
Maybe he's not going to be able to land another spell.
Because you saw just a primal roar with Sunstrike is enough to grab a kill and once they get
to the Agatom Sceptron Invoker, this is going to be a huge increase of the damage, so you
need some kind of a save.
Got to tell me, farming in the mid lane, getting Tornadoed into Meteor, and that will be a
kill with the macro pyre, but the toss of the avalanche while keeping him in the flames,
He's getting up, Auro, Swordbite is there, he can't even walk his way out.
Auro gonna burn up to the macro pyre, they had no dust or sentries available, so he
died to damage over time from macro.
It's a good trade to make.
You're talking about the Aggs on Invoker doing a lot of things, you've got this Aggs
I believe delivering on Beastmaster, so even just that Prime of the War with the drums
of Slam, that's gonna be doing quite a bit there too and that damage is gonna be hard
to intake, need to be able to heal through it.
They are getting a 4 staff or at least it was queued up a second ago on the Necro, but
now he's swapped over to going for this pipe, so he's not gonna be going for that 4 staff.
Tiny's got one now queued up, so the swap to pipe and then Tiny after the blank, he's
going for that.
It's too good of a game for it, I think they will end up having like three, maybe even
4-4 staffs on the team because more than naturally builds into it, timing from the mid lane needs
another way to reset. A lot of the times it is in a 4-staff, even like from position 4,
but I think he also wants to be more maneuverable, wants to get multiple round of spells with the
keeper of the light. Roryu, Sunstrike flying, got the Ghost Trap. Little jump, they've got the
Avalanche, it's going to be through to Yatoro, the Axis still, the damage is enough to get the kill
to Miero, he's unable to do anything as he's been trapped by those Serpent Mords. GPK made the
the commitment in, three heroes nearby, hex on the tiny, hexes still flying over, avalanche
ice bath, they've got the control of chaotic offering committed, but the dual breath acro
pyre is going to be a kill on a roux, unable to get those shackles or a lockdown, gbk.
Very nice cutting from that team, they go in, they don't die, gbk on the hunt, save, avalanche
with solar mines, another toss, and another blast, they have a plus one there, they might
to be able to get that kill. Just the tiny again with the Chakra magic. It's so dangerous.
Necro feeling pretty ineffective in that skirmish top. I just give this hero 10-50 move speed
and make him viable. Necro? Yeah, it's so funny to watch him just move across the map.
So you were talking about Bat Boom and how they want four staff, and I mean four staff
is gonna be a lot of movement if you have that many, so you know, it just, it'll be
ways to get away from the cataclysm that'll come out eventually and avoid a lot of what
Spirit would try to do with the initial burst, but do they have the follow up from Spirit
to sustain in a fight like that, like after Roar and Cataclysm gets used, pulverize, these
These are kind of like one-offs, right? So what do you have to follow that up?
You have Primal Beast, you have the other beast as well, they are looking to fight a
longer fight. Roar is ready. Roar is the tiny Sun Strike, takes down GPK.
They have limited amount of lockdown. If Tiny is gone, they don't have a reliable way of
starting the fight. That's going to be a massive issue. And also, GPK, like, even if he itemizes
for a BKB, there's still three BKB piercing tools that are gonna stop him from getting
out of the fight, so kinda natural that he's building into something cheaper that can't
get him out, drops down the ward, playing with the catapult, hexes him, trying to stop
the deny from Keratich and does so, but now Shackles into a Sunstrike, that's down a half
health for Keratich, dead shot, the damage onto the Shatter Shot, but the Pulverize stops
It's a neutral who swipes the kill and collapse will take the life of Karatich.
Once they get to BKB's in spirit, I see a lot of problemo in terms of being able to
deal the damage and they are getting early BKB's.
Even Yotaro, realizing that Wink Dagger is kind of the item that you want to get straight
away so you can have better positioning for Primal Roar, but in this one, no BKB piercing
Tolls invokers also gonna be getting one after Agatom Scepter and they crab another kill
These Sun Strikes just chunk you so heavily
To the point where they now get another kill on the Jikiro
Thinking about chaotic offering or just wanting to
drop the base
for a second
Flaps in the area and he's got that blink dagger, but the avalanche of the toss they go to the blink pulverize
Panto, cataclysm offering with the fatal bonds, but Reaper Scythe committed that's gonna land on the Panto and get the kill.
There's Solar Bounce, Goliath, Garchro's coming in with the Aghanim Scepter. He's gonna be trying to slom.
Gatoro Nandi, but it really didn't get anything off.
As he's trying to skate his way towards Betboom and use this Aghanim to go slom style.
Lining jump, cataclysm blows up GPK, they go to the primal ward, it's out of the necro, and where can you go, nowhere.
On slot in, Ero's dead, two heroes die on the side of Batboom, and they can potentially look for more.
Golem taking this tower, and then they've got the pulverize again.
Petome is going to be dead to the Golem of Panto, and now it's saved.
What's there to really do?
Hacks the coin, it's down, it's silencing, but where's your damage?
You'll pierce the veil, but can you pierce the lives of these heroes? I'm sparing it!
It's a full team wipe for Team Spirit.
It's not the quickest wipe, but it's one that works enough.
And this game just completely flips.
Having BKBs for the next fight, Yattrow even bringing BKB to this fight,
we said it's not going to be an easy Muerta game by any means.
She still deals quite a lot of damage, but the problem is once you get hexed, once you get controlled,
you're just going to die to random spells on the ground.
You're playing into multiple BKB piercing tools as well,
And the fight is slightly longer.
GPK, Link's in, dies immediately to Cataclysm, and then Roar onto Biero.
He doesn't have, like, they have no saves whatsoever.
If somebody gets jumped, that hero's gonna die, which means that the fight is gonna be 4v5.
No Lotus, no Linkens, no survivability.
There's no way to get away from these, uh...
From these piercing Roars and Pulverizes.
You just don't have anything.
Even in pierce the veil, you'll get the damage that he takes so quickly on Karatage.
Just looking like they really have no way to...
Oh my god, even the rock throw!
Hits him pretty hard.
They have a lot of heal.
The problem is they don't get to choose which targets they go for in the fight, unless they get some big tossback.
But Gpk, once he blinks in, and there's also gonna be Blinkbagger on Beastmaster,
I think he's gonna get heavily focused either by primal beast or by the other beast as soon as gpk jumps in realizing that he's the control
He's the one who can actually control the fight Miro. We're seeing some downsides of the lineup
It's very problematic. They just missed two of their control spells deadshot and ice path miss
So they have their way in the go for save, but then they'll retreat back
GPK goes in and hits this avalanche on the Laurel, but just to get the toss back
Oh, I don't see it.
The mana is lacking there as well.
And now the fatal bonds connect these heroes on Betboom.
Spirit, very good kiting coming up from them.
Regent Arun.
You will pick it up.
You have multiple spells that are decent at disturbing the lockdown of Spirit.
With Avalanche, Ice Path, Deadshot.
Those are ways that maybe you can catch them standing still.
However, you use those and it's just free hunting for spirit as we'll see here.
Klabs gets that kill on a GPK and this tiny has just been left small.
One of the best combos in the game is to have these long duration stuns for Invoker to set up the Sunstrike and now Cataclysm as well.
Shadow Shaman, whenever Master Promotes are available, I think right now he can kill any hero on the map.
That includes the Cataclysm, of course.
I can see that. I believe it.
I've seen the impact of these Sun Strikes.
The survivability for Betboom.
Not feeling entirely there.
Where it is three levels away from the Beastmaster
and the One Position for Spirit, who now has an Aegis. So even turning this around
or going for a spot in which they can kind of get a kill here for Beppu, I mean
it's now taking two lives away from this this Beastmaster, and then having to get
through the rest there too. Which is a huge struggle.
Saw the percentages for Dota buff. It was 81 to 19. Big numbers for
Spirit up 10,000 and definitely favoring them and I don't really fully see an
answer for that boom what do you do behind this much even if you get a
toss back it needs to be like a perfected place ice bat and then maybe a
repersite couple of shots from where it this is pretty much the only way that
they need to start a fight because otherwise they will click the BKB's
they will get the spells off and the counter initiation is really through the
roof on spirit. Smoke from spirit but that boom the same. Going through the
twin gate and not finding them is that boom. As these heroes will all go towards
top. There's a tier one to take why not. Very nice read from Karatich. Immediately
goes back, rushes the team not playing with him but maybe collapse is gonna be
able to get the snipe. Has couple of seconds root also with the jump ready.
He jumps in, has the hex, surfing wards, as well as the shackles with the cataclysm used.
We'll get the kill on a keratich, now dominating for Laurel.
How does the Sunstrike percentage hit- okay, you guys are reading my mind, don't do that,
stop.
But how does it work with cataclysm?
Because that says 17, but he's throwing 10 technically on a cataclysm.
Probably just counts as one.
That's trying to make it seem like hard math to do.
The hard math is, well, not there when you're trying to get a kill from Yatoro to any of
these heroes on the side of Bed Boom, because it adds up so quickly that they have no answer
for Bed Boom.
They get kills on both supports, and, well, both Chikiro and Kotal can't do anything about
it.
There aren't many answers still and they are lacking any sort of pushback.
If you show up on the side lane alone, you're probably just gonna die.
Collapse, Arcane Rune ready, thinking about getting the jump, but they might catch GPK
in the exact same spot where they caught Heritage.
Let's see, for now, they're gonna continue to farm up.
All the lanes are getting pushed in.
Varl also can easily send his 4th Spirit to the side, has global presence from Cataclysm.
Smoke used, 3 heroes, Spirit looking and searching, heritage down here bottom.
Not under any dire vision, he's got his own word there.
And Varl's coming in, we'll see this Muerta and wait for the rest of his team wisely.
So have Sunstrike ready, and there's the roar, the calling, they're in between it, but the Sunstrike connects, they've got the meteor, there's another kill, and this is just a carry that can't get the gas pedal down.
Can't deal the damage, and they have good ways of kiting his BKB anyway.
Primal Roar lasts for four seconds, then you have Primal Beast as well, which lasts for almost the exact time.
And then you also have Golem, plus after the VKB, Shadow Shaman's gonna control you.
So, kind of almost impossible game for Murata to play, especially if she's playing from behind.
She's playing from well behind.
6,000 difference between the Beastmaster and this Murata.
faster than the average for this ship's guard on Beastmaster by about five minutes.
They aren't exactly forcing themselves into bad situations either. Spirit are kind of going from lane to lane, finding these pick-offs, extending that net worth lead, methodically moving around the map.
That boom just don't have answers. And that's the unfortunate part is, in having no answers, there's not really much you can do except try to farm.
The Yatoro tries to jump in and get the roar off, but she will.
Icepath is down, Sunstrike thrown out, that's the damage dealt.
Ana kept over to try and get this kill, but he heals up a little bit.
The Yatoro's gonna be slowed down, 22 seconds left on that Aegis, and the deadshot lands.
But where is the follow-up?
Illuminate gonna be just short of hitting this Beastmaster.
He doesn't commit a BKB or anything of the sort to really overwhelming get this kill
out of the jacarra, because he knows he doesn't need to.
It's out of position where he felt that he was in much trouble and he still had this Aegis.
Laurel scouted things out, amplified damage on him, 9th second BKB.
If he catches Kiritos here, BKB is ready, but still gonna be insane amount of damage
coming out from his spells, no matter what.
Shadow Shaman, relatively close by.
If they get the initial jump, there's no 4 staff available close by,
unless GPK, let's see where he is.
Blink Dagger, 4 staff, BKB ready, Tumber's 2 in 3 seconds.
So he might be able to close the gap, the rest of the team is also approaching for Spirit.
has tornado meteor on invoker so you can start with that tornado that probably gives
enough time for shadow shaman who's got blink off cooldown serpent words in five ideally
you want to jump with shaman get the hex so that lara can land his spells reconnecting
as they had some packet loss we kind of felt it they look good to go kato in the area so
is the Jekiro and the Necro, will they commit to this? Not initially, but the tornado.
Now with the deafening blast, Shadow Shaman wrapping a high-ray around.
Avalanche toss, and the Reaper's Scythe on a collapse. That's a lot of gold. That's a way back
to get something out of nothing that they've been getting for the last five minutes.
It needs to be tossed back, but a lot of the times you fall short in a lot of these engagements
where if you don't find it, the fight is extremely difficult and as we said they have
fair limited amount of lockdown, primal beast, used at the beast, ready to come in.
Not even needed, they have the damage with the swamming, Yatoro gets the kill in the
arrow, Necro dead for 50, ruins of falling, that's two heroes dead on the side of Spirit.
those serpent words but that didn't really turn into anything more than just dying and
putting those on cooldown.
Alright, BedBoom, showing some signs of life, having limited lockdown but it's all about
GPK.
He dominated that first game with Storm Spirit, had an extremely good start in the second
game but also playing into a couple of difficult matchups and not having that one hero that
Tiny likes to play.
Sure, he plays with Cottle, but it's not a damage that he needs in post-15-20-minute fights, where you can't really solo kill people anymore.
Where they have felt much more survivable, collapse off to the side, Katoami.
Trampol, ice bat, that stops him, but the ice wall's slowing, Katoami up.
Dual breath throws the rock, lands on a save.
Dead shot, coming through off the Cottle, but doesn't connect onto anything.
And now they've got the shackles there as well as the hex that's locking him down, thanks to Ru.
Both supports out a little bit too far, way past their cores, and they'll both pay the price.
Not too much of a shock that they end up dying in that situation, with the way the Spirit are positioned around the map.
We'll just potentially up in a minute. Let's see what the extra timer ends up being, as they are putting these creep waves and these boars in on the top.
Just try and get this last outer tower.
Interesting build coming out from Muerta, Crystallis that is going to be turned into Revenant's Roach
which gives you a good amount of spell lifesteal. It is 14% which works amazingly with Muerta
but the question is, can you deal enough damage?
Can you kill people during a Reaper site? Speaking of Reaper site, doesn't even go off
Miero gets caught on the side. The pick-off game is so strong, they can, as soon as you show up in one of the sidelines
it's almost impossible for you to play. You need to stick together as a team, maybe get a pick of your own with Tiny,
but it makes it very difficult. Team Spirit did not give them many opportunities.
They haven't had many opportunities, but some they've had from the Boomer Rare. We have a listening with Miero,
So let's take a little bit of a listen
Enjoy the process
They know that they're in a lot of trouble in this game, but being one game up
Also means that they can allow themselves to lose this game smoke coming out from spirit very quick moves
I think our mentor TP to the mid lane and let's see the damage now and the big AOE invoker just finished off a gliding here
I'm gonna say that's one of the most insightful listen ins we've had because I feel like so many people who watch this and
See a smackdown like this wonder what the mental is in moments like this
Blink in, go to the axe, Kato Komp pulverizes there, it's going to be on the moir,
they'll throw down the cataclysm, that'll rip off Carriotige, but he's not dead just yet,
gets to be KB off, goes into the pier, the failure is going to be on,
with a deafening blast, he lands, reaper site thrown out, doesn't do anything,
it's going to be four heroes down with the buyback being committed from the Kato Kato,
I hear from Laurel, tornado off the mark, GPK trying to TP out with the shackles,
connect, they'll get the timing and they will get this kill,
it's a full team wipe and ultra kill from Laurel, this Invoker going crazy.
Yeah, I'm not sure the process was really enjoyable in this one, it was, I fucking earlier and
he was like, whatever, you know.
We're going to try. They know that there are a lot of problemo. Laurel, tornado, rock,
Lipity Glopity, and that's going to be a full team wipe.
He bought back, he's going to die again. GG's called. We're going to another game three in this
tournament because there's nothing better than three games.
Exactly, and especially if you see some of these weird picks coming out this time around
to give it for Betmove, but a very clean execution from Team Spirit.
Beastmaster completes free farm and also Dream Game for Laurel.
You have insane amount of setup on the side lands for your Sunstrike to land.
Amazing job by Spirit to even the series up at one.
I'm going to trust the process and throw it to the panel.
You should trust the process, B-Cup, because that is just how it goes when you're watching
a spirit series. They have the one game, you're like, oh my god, spirit, they're done, they're
lost, they're hopeless, and their next game, they're so back.
It's just this team, right? You just know what they're capable of, and I think in this,
like in this game, it was a lot easier for them to like play the smith game. I mean,
it's just something like, when I look like, even if Necrot as well in the early game and
the tiny, GPK has to like do everything with his support for a spirit, they can split push
with some boars, you have some collage, you know, who's jumping around, blinking out,
double force for it. So I think overall BB needed to do a better job at, you know, keeping the lead that they had in the early game.
Yeah, I agree. I think this was like a pretty big gambit in the draft to pick the double ghost as Slax was mentioning. It was very interesting. I think it's cool that that boom tried it. It seemed like it was
Was that in that amazing interview that he did?
Yeah, that great interview.
I think it was supposed to counter Beastmaster,
but the score under the game 6-0 and 9,
which is a very nice score line,
dealing massive amounts of damage in every fight.
Like, it just, it didn't work.
And I feel like Team Spirit got pretty much everything
that they wanted in the draft,
and they executed fairly flawlessly
across like all of the heroes.
Like collapse, for example, was massive on the lane, right?
He had a super good early game.
Laurel, we saw, I mean, look at the hero damage.
This is a crazy number for a 30 minute game,
but he had a lot of really good setup for Cataclysm.
I was going to say the Shadow Shaman as well
with the Sun Strikes nice little combo.
You even saw sometimes where he would throw a tornado out
at Muerta and just poke her, like literally just throw some
Meteor deafening blast on her forced her to use spells and it sets up for a good fight for spirit
like even that is
Very impactful from this hero aside from the fact that cataclysm was also great in this game
Yeah, like even like early in the ladies
I just remember a lot of like plays that were turned around like Ruga like a double kill minute three because like one cheeky
Sunstrike was thrown in there
So I think overall like they played very well
You also talk about like your Toro on his beast
He didn't have a single death to his name his heroes first picked like in this entire game
And then his top net worth doesn't die. It also goes to show you that BB either the gameplay didn't you know
Work out or the draft I would even say, you know, probably both at least in some extent
Yeah, the spirit those very easy for them this time. Well, I'll stay with you
I know there's something that you wanted to highlight for me one at home. Yeah, it's just like spirit in the midgame
It's like one of the very common sentence that I seem to be using but it's like for the right reason like look here
They're baiting you up into this high ground gives one guy that's getting gone on, you know above yatoro. This is 18 minutes
Here's Agz blink BKB. He joins this fight because before these two kills the game is even it's like a 1k lead
I think at most for spirit, but it's like such a clean fight even without wallock
You know, they just have good positioning. They're not overlapping their spells
They keep chasing nicely where no one else can really die like look at collapses on the sidelines is low HP
They keep hiding and it's like it goes from one kill into the second where when you make a small mistake against his team
This is what's gonna happen, and I think dead raft nap like naturally once their head
It's super hard for Bedboom to play afterwards.
That's such a pretty team fight from Collapse.
Like if you want to watch how to play a fight, when...
I think there was a lot of stuff that he could jump into the fight and kind of get owned by,
like the Muerta silence or Shakira spells, even an avalanche, especially because he was low HP.
But you could see that he was playing the sides of the fight, throwing rocks,
and then blinking in for his ult, or even just using his Q.
And then going back to like playing the side of the fight, just like...
basically trying to get off as many spells as possible and I don't know it's just it's really nice to watch when
Collapses playing like this because I feel like he is
Literally the best at it. I agree. I think in history don't a history
Like it's not just like with the items from people like not autopilot, but they become creative
I think it's also like you're saying with his low HP
Sometimes one HP can be like infinite HP like if they can't hit you or if a spell can hit you
It doesn't matter if your HP number is one or three thousand and I think some players
They use this so well and he's definitely one of the best at this
Yeah, we've talked about it during play play to the limits. Absolutely. It's all a resource
Speaking about resources 24 minutes
Just another rise yes, I've tried to remember what oh, yeah, oh, yes. Yes. Oh, so we were we were talking about this Kaz
Hype height trying to figure out what the item build should be for Miro in this game
He went for vessel pipe and I don't mind the vessel. I think it's a pretty good early game item
I know you didn't like it. I think we can, like, agree to have differences there, but...
Well, why, Aaron, get into it. Why don't you like it, Kazoo?
I mean, so I think that the way this game is going to go is that he's not needed to join early fights.
Like, I think the way that heroes die in this early game is the tiny who rush blink with the two supports.
Like, those three will be enough to kill.
I think it's up to him to actually be able to play the map in a way where he can push forward,
give his team the match state so that they can get kills.
Like, to me, I think you want to go, like, maybe Lotus into Travels.
I think Boots of Travel are needed.
When I look at the Diadraft, again, they have all this push and post push, and your team has no way of really dealing with it.
And why do you like it?
The problem with you trying to get us to fight is that he coaches me.
I actually believe this stuff.
I learned from him.
It's not like, ah, stop for me, puppet stars!
It's not like that.
I'm just interested.
I don't know if it's never disagree or have philosophical disagreement.
So what you're saying makes sense, but I think the real thing that I would have liked to see tested is
He's playing against Beastmaster, single target, disabled, BKB Piercing.
He's playing against Shaman, which you can lotus that as well as the Beastmaster
and interrupt his chain disable.
He's playing against Primal Beast.
Primal Beast will ult himself when he ults the Lotus.
And it's also BKB Piercing.
So Primal's BKB doesn't even do shit.
It's like it hard counters all of the heroes that are important on the spirit side.
So I think an earlier Lotus should have happened.
The pipe was not useful at all.
He's trying to protect his other heroes from like the A.
We magic damage by going for the pipe.
So I understand the idea, but the chain disabled was just too much at that point.
So maybe like we were even hypothesizing maybe the build is like straight brown
boots Lotus into boots of travel.
I wouldn't even mind seeing that as long as it's an earlier Lotus against this lineup.
Like I think that's the problem.
That's a potential like hold to abuse and spirits draft that they just didn't have the ability to abuse
Yeah, like I play Necro and I think that this hero you either go griefs because you can like five man
Keep it up exactly and that like you take the fight and it feels good or you go travels
And that happens when the enemy team doesn't really want to fight you like sir
They want to split push like do this stuff
I also think if we're going to a game three and Beastmaster gets first pick
I want Bedboom to pick Conker like don't nine pick some jukiro
You're gonna get a good support but you could first pick Beastmaster top net worth zero deaths just taking over the game
Do something different and your cure was not it?
Well, it's like we said when we were coming to the death segment as well like you Toro still had a game even though
They were picking to count him
The more I see Kerry Beastmaster the more I think that there's just no other role for him like I don't even want to see it
Mid anymore. No, we got it Kerry it dumpsters every game in the right hands
Yeah, he had like he was like 800 network ahead of Miro who's awfully macro like these doesn't touch this hero
But he still has like top CS he gets his stacks. He's top network like there's gotta be a better answer
And if there's nothing just bad it it's okay
Well, we're gonna see what happens soon. We're going to a break a spirited come back there
And we go to a decided game three. We'll see you in a moment
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gonna bang. I will say two one-sided games we've seen series like this before
obviously these teams are so good at drafting and theory crafting and all
of that stuff that we have seen some stompy games from the big boys in the
upper bracket but I believe I believe this is the one this is the back and
forth the 70-minute face melter. It's common you know it's game three between
like between these two teams and in game three is where like you know game one
and game two maybe you test maybe you hold back a little bit I mean I guess
BB didn't with the word that Necro double that was not all the time not really no but you know game three like now you level up if there is an answer that you need to show right now you're gonna make it happen right now so game three jenki this is the one I think so I'm an optimist me too we're
optimist here on the EC so we want to see we want to see game three not not the liquid was it liquid tundra tundra game three like give us Aurora Veechee game it was more or Veechee right yes it was extreme Veechee you don't
He's I looked at he there was a game early in the tournament. I was really good
I was there was someone I thought there was a couple of series. I think pretty much every VG series now
We've had some bangers actually, but yeah, unfortunately
We haven't had it yet in this series and that's because you know that we're trying out new things the thing
I also like as a tournament evolves. Yes, we all know who the strongest
Heroes are in the pool. We know what bands were likely to see we know what picks were likely to see the curve balls
are always wonderful. So I don't mind that they took Necromwater.
Yeah, that was cool. It's a cool idea.
And it was bad, but it's fine.
Yeah, it happens.
The thing is they have now picked Necromowice not three times.
I think Mjörr had it once and he won.
They've won it in the offline, yes.
You know.
He speaks to me in German.
I was good at it.
Wunderbar, Jenkins.
Wunderbar.
Oh, Brat, Grosbrat.
Okay, back to you, Richard.
I don't know about that, but whatever.
So no, I am hoping we're going to see some funky
spooky, weird drafts coming in.
I think we might. You know, BB Team, they seem like they're not overall, like they're not afraid at all when it comes to like
doing different things and like doing your own thing. I'm just wondering like, you know, when it comes to like the pick priority,
who's going to have what, if you do give Spirit the first pick again, do you, like how do you change your answer to the beast,
whether it's a ban or then a different response, and just overall like how you set yourselves up, because we've all talked about it.
both games very stompy so we're just hoping you know in the third game both teams get what they want
it's going to boil down to like the team fighting that they don't have like one way to
cheat themselves through the game and just you know a back and forth that boom for sure had bands
that could be replaced by beast master yeah enix come on it's not kori we're talking about here
like yatoro beast master has looked insane insane top top four like i think it pushes beast master
into that top four with the with the Largos and SFs of the world if somebody can play it like Yatoro can
From the safe line in particular and obviously having the flex is important for the draft, but
You want to run it as Gary you really do
I'm telling you it should it has to be a ban or you pick the pirate hat on nine. I want Conquerman
Like some I would like to see that too instead of where it's a Necro. That's a crazy
Crazy pull right there. They were on the good stuff was Windranger
First phase band in the last it was yeah, okay, so no switch up game in game two. Mm-hmm
Yeah back when we were excited about the traffic. Wow bet boom
They don't have a coach to doing this by themselves and then it's like afterwards
What are you doing in the sales, that's that's just like the beauty of the game
Right like that it can look so good
And maybe if you swap up another pick or you pick something else like last because the car 24 while it made the tiny good
Maybe you could have just picked a new material who put like on its own, but there we go
No beast master business this time
There's a bad writer, which is the various writers through and I imagine we're gonna say it
Which is a pretty decent setup like there's no SD and no with ranger
So I would like Batman here. Is it is it really worth leaving that to I mean, I understand Largo SF
but is tree really that big of a this is the question I think the problem with
tree is the vision game is so strong it's pretty annoying anything with set up
sure and there is and I think a team like spirit who is really good at picking
and choosing their opportunities of when to fight you and like playing on their
power spikes if you have division advantage from a hero like tree you can
really take advantage, but collapse Batman, that's just so scary. Like the, just seeing
any of the cores on their core heroes, I feel like you can have so much more impact in the
game just through that like 1v5 potential.
Also what a hero is still an agey son.
Yeah, I mean this guy, he can do it on, you could give him the worst hero and he would
somehow find a way.
I at least like the Bed Booms response with Mars, like the way Bat is played now is like
early bongo boots you have like 500 movement speed minute 10 so just locking him down in the arena
of course is quite nice but i know that you know collapse you can play different builds not like
this full aura but the bongo boots into the blink into the axe into the bkb if needed and just to
become like this core and i think that's what the best offlaners have they understand where in
games they can take like one higher level of priority and be like i can be the backup carry for you
instead of like i'm you know i'm the pipe guy i'm the lotus guy so obviously collapse he
He understands this, yeah.
I totally agree.
It is Miro's, one of his best heroes on Mars.
So I feel like both sides are happy with what they got so far.
You have specialty heroes.
I will say this.
I don't know if it's possible to get the number,
but whenever I've seen the Mars in the, you know,
either when it's been a first pick, eight, or a response pick,
nine, I don't know if I've seen it win.
Oh, that would be an interesting stat.
I think there's also something, when it comes to radiant versus dire as well.
Like it's a very common trade that we see happening where it's bat on dire,
because I think dire off lane gets kind of destroyed a lot more and you go play the jungle and back in jungle.
And the radiant safe lane tower is, or the tower that you'd be taking as the off laner is right by the tormentor.
So your team will always come and help you take that, which means a hero like Mars is going to have a better time because you know at some point your team is going to come help you, right?
So it's a yeah, there's interesting stats when it comes to when it comes to these things and don't especially right now
Okay, I want to see like where like where do the supports go like if in the next phase because we talked about some of them
There's a few that are still left open, you know, there's Phoenix for one
I think if you're bad boom that's something you can't think about this as well
It's great against bad like you get like the pseudo say if you have high magic red
Sure, you can still get like pulled in but it's quite nice
You have a lot of teamfight already now on the BB side
So you have 50% win rate on Mars when it's picked first, my editing.
It's just a good stat. It's just a solid hero overall. You always have plays, you can go for blink, you have easy item builds, it's like the BKB with the refresher.
I mean save on this hero. He had very clutch play, I think maybe it was in game one.
He sees your tower, he throws the wheel, immediate whip. You can just tell when people are really comfortable on the hero.
Like, your window of reaction time to respond is just so little against the players who really get there here to the top level.
I will say it one more time, because for me this is something that I learned very recently, that every master is not just about to save anymore.
No.
It's good against bad, but you can pull out of the circle, like you said.
It really is about the other abilities, and I feel like people just weren't good at using them, especially when they nerfed the ult, because the ult used to be bigger, which is crazy to think.
Like, the ult was more overpowered than it is now, because now you look at it on the screen and it feels like it's a big ult.
And then also, I think people have gotten better at comboing with it too.
Like, ring ult into the Mars ult. It's a pretty easy setup, even a double-sphere.
That's true.
Look at this. As well, more Mars stats coming in. Just, that was interesting. The facet.
I mean, the victory feast is quite good. I mean, obviously it looks like the worst one of the two, because Bloodsport, like...
We know that vision in Dota is like so important especially when you have like some safe heroes against the Mars
But I do think there's like cool combos with victory feasts like when you know
You can always like get the hero killed or even if you have like a Medusa or storm you replenish like their mana
There's very cool stuff that you can do there
All right, we saw this yesterday. Wow. Oh my goodness. Oh, this is cool. Yeah, this is very cool. So
So they are really answering Batrider.
I mean, even Mars to some degree counters, like you were mentioning, the way Batrider
is played now, but then they have the save on save, they have the save on Oracle, and
then a hero that can lane fairly comfortably against Batrider with time violations.
Is Oracle the answer to Batrider?
It's one of them at least.
Okay.
I was wondering, like, because I believe so far it's been mainly Parker who like pulled
out the morphling in this tournament. Obviously your Toro Morph is, it's very legendary. I
think there's a, like even if you're BB here, you don't have the most damage. And I always
love when you have Morph into Void. You always like, you should in general get the Aegis.
I think also the Shard is something you should buy on Morph because if you get Corona, you
can still morph up and likely not die. But when it gets to the ultra, ultra late game,
Void will always have your number.
to ban out the respect Huskar you can't you still don't want to get gpk'd you
know in the in the last pic even though the drafts are a bit weird and a lot of
focus is going to be on the morphing you still don't want to let that through
like easy to forget about I think invoker is also a hero you have to ban out if
faceless void is on the enemy side you don't want to get tacticalism it's just
It's too easy. It's way too easy of an insta-wing combo. That's true. They ban it themselves.
That's the problem. Like the spirit pick out of phase. So I kind of get it. I feel like
Spirit's wrath would be quite greedy with it. But like if I'm looking on Spirit's heroes,
like what else would they want? I think backline jump or annoyance for the supports is like
definitely very high up there. Whether it's Park, Storm, Void Spirit, I think they're all
just great.
is still available. I feel like you have to ban Puck. I think so too. But that would be crazy to
let Laurel get Puck last pick. Like that hero is often banned. Especially against these supports.
Like that's just it's kind of illegal. It's disrespect. You're disrespecting Laurel by doing
that. But like to go back to the first pick Batrider, like the hero is so good that I mean look at how
many carries are banned. I would say it's one. It's one Windranger and then the best answer is
the answer where it's like you don't stop him from doing what he does you're just hoping that okay
i will answer him later in the game because oracle void they will not stop bad writer in the game
they're both answers like in the game and not really in the early game so you know collapse you
will absolutely have a very good laning switch i don't see any way around it not with these heroes
what do what do spirit want to take out here they're thinking like what what do we ban where it's
It's not obvious what we want to pick.
Sometimes in this situation, just leaving it blank
would sometimes be better just so you have options.
And they ban Aquina Payne,
which makes you think they want a storm spirit.
Now there's a world where,
I know Kather, you literally said that teams don't do this,
but I'm gonna say it anyway.
There is a world, they ban Puck,
so that way the storm ban comes out
and they get the Puck,
or so they ban Aquina Payne,
so the storm ban comes out and then they get the Puck.
like the bait ban. That is also possible. I think it is incredibly rare because like when you look now
okay so what's the hypothesis that you just pulled out? The the storm ban comes out here.
The queen of pain was simply a bait ban so that way the puck gets through and they get what they
actually wanted. Let's see. What the f***? This might literally be like we're just gonna leave
it all open because if they storm we park then maybe if they park you have like something else
and you just don't want to take it out because I mean, okay,
Laurel has played mid Ricky before, so never mind now to like cycle back
that it's not a meme, you can buy the shark and then there's no save from the Oracle
and no save from the ringmaster, then suddenly collapse could like rush blink dagger
and they can't save him. But you know, just offering this, you don't want to get cheesed.
I totally get it. You're against Laurel. It's it's it's last pick.
It's game three, like you don't want to get cheesed.
So it makes sense, which means obviously they talked about the puck
and they think Void Spirit is an acceptable answer for them.
Not alone.
I don't know.
I'm just thinking about what's going to happen later on in the game.
It's like you say those supports.
Like Puck is the nightmare.
I mean, it is at least like this third game where I can see that
this is not going to be a stomp one way or the other,
because both teams have a lot of things to play for.
They also need time, I would say, to like, you know, scale up.
You've got the morph against the Void.
It's like very easy to like feel good in the game like you heard it in the listen and where I think it was mirror
Who's like guys, it's fine. You know, let's chill. There's another game. Yeah, enjoy the process
Think about the team fighting. I think similar story here
Both teams have like a lot of wing conditions that they can play through you have the GPK like voice bird against the puck
I will say I'm slightly leaning
Spirit I think the morph and most of their course don't seem like he got answered and I think they're gonna have a good start
Usually when I see a carry void in this patch, I'm looking for what do they have to throw into the Chronosphere?
Like what can they combo with it? Or is void simply like the better carry matchup in the late game, which he often is.
But I don't think there's a lot of great stuff to throw into the chrono in terms of damage. There's no snap fire or invoker.
And then in the late game, I'm pretty sure Morph is totally fine versus Void, right?
Because you can stat Morph with the Shard in Chronosphere.
Yeah, you're gonna like get, you should have Aegis.
I think also like the support duo for Bedboom is like not that amazing.
You mentioned it yesterday, at least you have the innate from Oracle, you know, where the runes are.
Maybe this can help you, but I don't know.
I'm feeling like this is some zero death, your Toro Morphling game, and he just like takes it clean.
Like 10-0, you know, Lall has a good game, same with Collapse.
So I need Bed Boom to show us some damn good gameplay here.
And maybe your point about the mid lane and Oracle might come to fruition because it is Void Spirit versus Puck
And I feel like if Void can get a few early runes, it's giga impactful in this matchup
Yeah, because it is pretty bad for Puck unless
They go even maybe Puck gets some kills and then the item disparity isn't there
But like that item disparity can be created through the runes
But they also don't have great heroes for fighting the runes. Yeah, that's another flip side
I'm just like I'm a little afraid of the same thing like the void oracle
It's so slow and I think also because it is like that and they don't really pressure
Maybe collapse can like creeps give go to mid on like the first call and like there's so many things that can happen in this game
But I'm just I'm just leading spirits. So I hope that Bebun can really you know, pull it out
It's a very it's an interesting game. I love that in game threes we always get this
We're totally even yeah, well anyway guys despite what happened last time we have given slacks another attempt at an interview
Thank you so much. Yeah, I'm here in Milan. All right, let's get this out of the way
You can't do that. You can't pick bat rider first like that and then just expect them to deal with that
That's messed up. How do you how do you live with yourself question one?
I sleep fine at night. Yeah, like a baby. You can't give a laurel puck
All right, that means that you've won the game
The audience is gonna know that you guys were just pretending in the game that you lost and now you bring it out
and he decided, it's time to win guys, let's pick the good of heroes.
We have a joke from going every day I wake up I say okay guys today we beat Largo and then
we lose and then tomorrow I say one last try and now we go the first pick so we don't have to
deal with Largo so everything seems fine for now. Yeah well how come you're picking puck?
Don't you want to give Betboom a chance? Don't you want to give them an opportunity to win the
I mean last time they gave you guys a game on a silver platter
You guys don't want to have the same respect to do that to them. I like your style like when we win
It's a they gave us and we lose. It's our fault
All right. All right. Well, no, I think you guys are a good team
I think you're too good and you're supposed to nerf yourselves by giving yourselves bad heroes, but here we are in this game
What do you think is gonna be the hardest lane if there even is one?
I think Wojty has a good match-up versus Park, otherwise on the sidelines, I think they picked a bit of slow heroes, I mean, and he's gonna be fine.
Have you ever had a Milan cookie? It's American cookie.
No.
Well, let me tell you. It's chocolatey, it's minty, it's delicious, and it's full of knowledge. Just like you, big guy. Let's get into that game.
I've been loving these interviews. I mean, I'm a big fan of how Mulan's responding.
I feel like he's showing a bit of personality there. I feel like he's trying to stay stoked, but he's been cooking.
He's been cooking. Yeah, they cook for really good draft in this one. I do like what they have.
And in theory, maybe some time ago, Void faced his Void,
gotta be more specific, because there are two Voids in this game,
with time dilation against the Batrider Oracle.
You're like, this hero can't really play the game.
He's gonna get the spell.
Time dilation kills the hero.
I could kind of see collapse being kinda in the top three,
10 minutes in when it comes down to the network.
It feels like this hero just farms so quickly.
You don't have to lane at all.
You can start the creepscape.
He does have a couple of fairy fires, by couple I mean three of them, which is going to allow him to live.
Even if they decide to throw a blood grenade, jump in with the time dilation, oracle with the Q, he's still going to be okay.
And also this stop lane as well, Mars, plus Ringmaster is kind of okay lane, but I don't think they're going to be able to pressure Morphling as much.
Throughout the game, Dagger is going to be very effective against Morphling in Payment Arts.
It is a percentage-based damage when he starts shifting everything in strength.
That's also going to be dealing more damage once that's maxed out.
That's 5%, and sometimes more fling shifts to, I don't know, 3, 4,000 HP.
It's a lot.
It definitely is a lot in this top lane.
I feel like they could get maybe Panto if they catch him out of position with those
Impelmen Art Spear combo, but we'll see where Panto's kind of playing the lane and giving
it to Yatoro.
Two Voids here, and we'll see if this Void combo, if they can make it the Void Windwear
or loser and you know it could be a difference between them going and continuing on in the
upper bracket but things are you know in my eyes even but I don't think me and you have
seen the safe lane void.
Uh no we've mostly seen.
We're only seeing planets.
We've only seen the shitty facets.
We've seen the facet that does nothing.
It feels very, very lackluster in a lot of these situations.
Sometimes you see like Slardar, so you're reducing his cooldowns,
something that has like lower cooldown ability, or like,
oh yeah, it's doing a lot of things.
But it's actually not.
You can't have ways of like stopping people in a lot of these situations
that feel like Chronosphere would be just overall better,
because you have damage to throw into the Chronosphere.
I'm talking about the previous game.
In this game, they really don't have the damage that can go inside Chronos.
Yeah, it's a bit of an odd non-synergy, right?
We'll see if Kyrgyz can kind of get it done as he's going to be inside the Chronosphere.
We only see half the Chronosphere when it is used. It's really a chronodome.
But, let me see...
Never thought about this. This might be the smartest thing I've heard you say, yeah.
This time I used the Croak of Genius for that sentence.
Maybe the other half goes in the ground, maybe it's the upside down from Stranger Things.
Ooh!
That's why he looks like one of the Mind Flayers.
This might be the smartest thing I've ever heard you say.
Unfortunately, though, that if he's the Mind Flayer from Stranger Things, that means he's gonna fall off after Season 2, so...
Unfortunate.
And since we're here in Season 7...
And what doesn't feel so good is first blood being given up by Collapsus, kept them on against that.
Seen more and more oracles. This is a support that's finding its way into some of these lineups.
It's not the most popular support by any means, but what makes this hero the support you want?
I think we've seen it mostly as a response to Batrider. We've seen it yesterday as a double support, shadowed even across Oracle, I believe Liquid played it.
that it did look extremely good, because it's very hard to initiate, and then, like, the support duo like this
doesn't really deal as much damage. It's pretty similar thing here, in terms of, like, how you're going to be starting the fight.
It's not your position 4 blink dagger tiny, or a toss that can jump in. It's more about, we keep the distance,
we let the widespread end, Mars jump in, and then we follow up our spells on the arena, on the chronosphere,
with the big ulti coming out from Ringmaster and the two saves that can be used even on the supports when they get jumped.
Problem is, you're playing against Tiny, you're playing against Pathrider, repositioning tools are very difficult for supports to deal with
because they need to be close to cast range, especially pre-like one item, either pre-Bling-Bagger, maybe sometimes Eater Lens.
It's not going to be enough for them to get the save. The tossback is just making their life miserable.
What could make it a little bit more difficult though is what you were kind of
avoiding to write the Wheel of Wonder. If they are making those blink commitments
in they might get caught the Wheel of Wonder in the arrow. Might get caught in
the washer here with three heroes and Rue gonna get that kill onto this Mars so
finally you're getting it up at one we're at that six minute mark the first
power rune over mid and that's gonna be a regen rune bottled by GPK. A little bit
of a stagger there, some packet loss for these players.
But yeah, there's commitment that's
going to be coming from the Batrider, the Tiny, the Puck.
Is Wheel of Wonder, if they're in the right position,
going to be enough with a team of beasts like that?
We saw how good the Ringmaster can
be with these Wheel of Wonders.
Yeah, it's really good.
And it also synergizes well with the other Ring,
Arena of Blood.
So you can fear them away.
They bounce off the walls of the Arena,
getting some extra damage from it.
And maybe post-chronosphere as well
could be a really good follow-up that's going to lock them in place and we are
seeing collapse pretty much jungling farming these stacks that some he made
for himself some tiny maids for him needs to be selected more careful does have
two fairy fires available going to the typical bat rider build we've been
seeing he's going drums right now but what we've been seeing is the beats
bearing right puts a bearing straight away you don't need to pick up a bling
dagger immediately and then there is a lot of magic damage so this time around
Probably gonna be pipe afterwards toss back a spot of a second. He's gonna be fine
Think about going for this seven-minute shrine characters here, but he's only level five
They've got a couple of supports. They don't have the toss initially and now time dilation care. It's a level three time
They're taking a lot of damage, but I say a lot. He sealed it up with the time lock
So he should be a okay chief you take up in my firefly
He's low, but then heals up a bit more dream quote committed to get the code of characters
Katoomi, the heroes of the case, started their name, ended up dying.
Panto does fall, the Shrine's picked up by Rue, this was a whole lot over here for Spirit that ends up working out.
Kiritich, only being level 5, made this very tough for him to just kind of survive, used that time lock pretty early on,
and had some time lock, and yeah, and it's a very long cooldown because he only has one point and a 21 second cooldown doesn't allow him to get the second one out.
Time dilation, sure. It ruins Jekiro. He has four abilities.
So time dilation is gonna be through the roof in terms of the damage and slow.
Laurel...
Coil was used in the previous fight, but collapsed, as we said.
I do expect him to be in the top three, ten minutes in.
This hero is just insane, and those two kills that he got...
Definitely gonna help out.
Miro getting the other shrine, so he's closing in on getting that level six. He's trying to get that.
Switches again.
Impelment Arts, Panto, Eastcott, save against the kill with the team, the Beast.
Seems like the plan for BedBoom Team was we tried to, in every single game so far,
at least, yeah exactly, just bring one extra hero, so Team Spirit can't punch back.
And so far it's been working out, the first 10 minutes.
Now is that playing off of what they know is the game style of Spirit, where they know that Yatoro
maybe is not going to rotate over, and they're not so willing to make those rotations?
Because we've seen it, four or five heroes at times from BedBoom.
Now, M'Hero, he is level 6, he's holding a skill point, but he's gonna commit to the TP out.
He'll make it back all the way to base. Panto here with Yatoro, but unable to get a kill.
Meanwhile, bottom again, there's three heroes here, waiting to go with Keratich, who uses this Chronosphere under the tower.
Punks gonna come in, Tame the Beast does the damage, purifying Flames to get the Comet to collapse, though Dreamclaw, but won't snap it.
So now you've got the escape back to survive a little bit longer, and Rude just doesn't even have more to give.
That allows GPK to come over with the Astral Set, the Aether Remnant and the Kill in a Roo and a Canning.
Some more of that game plan from Pet Boom, where they're just looking to overwhelm with numbers.
For me, that's simply addition, but in this game, it's bringing four heroes to a lane to try and get a kill.
It was a nice try in the top lane to grab a kill on Mars when he used both of his abilities.
He just keep it out, and in the bottom lane again, they bring numbers, they kill a collapse.
And this time around I do like the build on Void Spirit. I think we've seen different itemization
But seems like the one that is sticking out the most was casual
earn of shadows
Interface boots and then picking up shard picking up kaya
And then you start to scale like you maybe you get some gold from the shard
You can put it in the camp and then get the gold for free
You don't necessarily need to commit by being there
But this time around I do favored this build in most of the situations especially when there are a high HP heroes
On the enemy team it is so much damages gives you a good amount of stats
You are playing against more flings of spirits vessel does make a lot of sense
As the time dilation a level 3 4 cure titch you've got that kill over bottom
So he's getting a good amount of gold
He's a little bit behind of what you Toro has but that is you Toro basically keep map wise staying in the same
Corner of the map the entire time
Not diving. Too far hasn't died like Garatich did in that shrine fight.
Void Spirit, he'll get that like Shardok you said, and then he'll also have ways to kind of get rid of the information that Spirit have around the map with that true side that gets added to that shard.
that shard. Yatora's doing a really good job, so they've got to keep their eye on this,
and I'm wondering if Spirit Vessel, when they get this for GPK, are they going to wait for
shard or are they going to go with this vessel immediately and do what they've been doing,
bring the numbers, go, arena, and try and get this control and get this kill.
If you're not active enough, you don't get shadow charges, so you don't have it. I think
as soon as he picks it up, it will try to make a play onto the morphling because they
They gave him too good of a lane. He's really not pressured by Mars in the lane.
They're playing with one of the stronger fives, playing with Jekiro.
So for now, sitting at 5.5, 11 minutes on Yattaro.
Pretty happy with what has happened so far.
Let's see if there's going to be a TP rotation coming up from GPK.
Spear, Reena.
Oh, well done by Miero, but he throws it and then immediately retreats.
He was out of the Colosseum so quickly he was like an extra character in Gladiator.
But, I mean I, I think he just, he got the shift off so immediately, I, I don't think
they even get the, maybe there's a chance, yeah, with the follow up of Will of Wonder
and Tame the Beast, there's a chance, but this is Yatra we're talking about, he's been
Continuing to impress
his collapse had a bit of
struggle in the lane and I
Say a bit because he's still very much ahead of the Mars. So comparatively he's having the better time
He made those stacks you'd called it out. He's he's going into the boots bearing that we've talked about and he's almost there
They invaded some of his stacks as well. So that's one of the issue stealing
the
Area of the map where he wants to farm
Just trying to slow him down if they can but he's kind of keeping up with the
middle laners of this game. Having that level 6 now on Kethelmune, they've got the
oracle with the false promise. If the remnant doesn't land, silence the
remaining rift but the impalement art's off the mark. Not having that catch. The
catch is okay from that boom but it you know minus chrono it's not anything too
Crazy. Oh, take the beast quick.
Pantus, take the beast out.
Nice path on two.
They get this kill out of the jikiro.
That was well placed and GPK getting that kill.
They're going to move for more.
Amplify damage still has a fourth of its time left on it,
but kind of retrieved from the bottom lane
and don't give anything more up from the side of BedBoom.
Their tower damage is very low on a bad boom, and then we need to bring the numbers, which they did.
But seizing tier 2 towers is not going to be as easy.
You also don't want to have these heroes just hit the tower.
You need to take the fight first, so that's going to be one of the issues.
And also in terms of tower damage, how they scale, not really scaling that well,
which means that we might be looking into a game where Spirit feels fine with other team taking it slowly,
Even if they have, even if they're playing like with a 3, 4, 5K gold deficit, but for now, it is a 1K gold lead for Spirit, so everything Gucci on their side.
Definitely everything Gucci so far.
That boomer looking for their golden goose attack on two team Spirit.
But Spirit's the one coming over Smoked and they've got this Dream Coil.
McPire laid down Ice Path off the marks.
It's gonna be a ringmaster just kinda surviving.
And not really being too bothered by multiple ults being thrown his way. This should have been
Probably a kill and save but it's just not easy with the escape act and when you're missing the follow-up
And you only got two euros there. You don't want to go in too far with the tier one tower right next to him
Overcommittment is
Sometimes a thorn. GPK, dual breath on him, a threat that lands you tomorrow. He's on the run, astral step
They'll continue to chase as they've got this spirit vessel. They'll land the tape of these, but the spirit does not hit.
And now they'll wheel of wonder. They'll hypnotize the avalanche, and now they'll assimilate as he turns into the void spirit, trying to get away.
It's a long chase. The arena zones out spirit, so they can't react and return fire.
Again, bringing in the whole squad. It took them a long time. Two spirit vessel charges used in the previous fight.
couple of alties as well, but Chronosphere is still available.
Curitich, we didn't talk too much about him,
and also the matchup against Faces void,
he loves to play into this matchup.
He, if you're able, because there's no,
there are no saves on Spirit,
once you land at Chronosphere,
whoever you start hitting most likely is gonna die.
They're back at the same spot.
They've got Vision on Panto, they catch collapse.
He's the one they wanna go for.
Spirit went through multiple trees, but didn't latch on anything.
Collapse is going to be able to leave.
Maybe my eyes to see.
I could see that again.
Try to slow down, see what happened.
The game was a little bit slower, I'd be able to see a little bit better.
Farming the triangle for Morphling, and again still just kind of avoiding.
Betboom who are over towards top, trying to avoid them as much as he can as he knew he
was caught top and probably doesn't want to be in that area if they do have that vision,
especially with them making a second attempt in the same spot.
So you get a little bit paranoid about being in an area like that.
A lot of camps stacked inside the Spirit.
They like to see this one.
Oh, man, the Roo got blocked off by a creep.
They saw him.
Ooh, Laurel's dead.
They wanted to attack immediately in the bottom lane, but this little area near the tier one tower bottom...
Only one guy can be in there, and even though his name is Tiny, he is not Tiny enough to squeeze in.
Excuse me, pardon me, coming through.
Blink Dagger, now.
Eh, we'll see what they can get with this.
I think maybe go for a Kethomie who places a deep ward, it was immediately pinged.
And Rue picks up a set of wards right after.
Did you get this blink tag or so?
Now they're gonna have that follow up to the blink of the tiny and they'll get the blink
on this Batrider and having again multiple points of just kind of jumping into the fight,
I'm curious to see how save kinda tries to counter this.
Is the Wheel of Wonder gonna be the most?
How does the rest of the team just kinda
deal with these jumps in?
They're going bottom, they're looking for this void,
who just time-locked, but he needs to back out.
They also have two supports sitting behind him,
so I do expect Keretich to play
and just be slightly more aggressive in the fights.
Big damage upgrade coming up from him.
He did finish off the Mjolnir, and there's the shot.
Last point shot.
They've got the last throw out of the bar as they look over at GK.
It's going to be a chrono onto three.
Two of his allies back.
He fires down, but it's not doing a lot of damage.
They'll hope for the wheel of wonder to follow it up.
They'll look for Rue, God's repute, pushing him out of the circle in the wheel of wonder.
Jules on himself, so goes up into the air.
Miro looking for control, maybe, on Iontero as he's speared up,
and now latched over onto the cliff that's over by the steps.
They form up out of the high ground.
Nobody did on the side of Beth who may have lost two time dilation lines out of Panto.
If Palmetto arts hits onto the Jiguiro,
A Ferendic Control, and that's gonna be a double for Keratich.
Three killed on Spirit, after they tried to counter with a Blink Lasso,
but the commitment with the Chronosphere is enough to get the damage out and get a victory in his fight.
I like the way Keratich played that fight. He knows that he can go in aggressively,
start with the time walk in case he's in danger. There's gonna be escape back,
there's gonna be Oracle ulti potentially that comes out as well,
even though it wasn't even used, and now they're ready for a round two.
Big save.
I see if he gets an out of time walk-off.
And team the beast.
Escape back, snaps the coil, and then we'll use that false promise.
They'll get the kill and a save.
They want to chase for more. They're gonna chase for Kethomé.
Try to kill both supports. They've got the blink. They'll toss him back.
That's gonna be a second one dead.
But they do save the void, and truth be told, for Betbun, that's all that matters.
Stealth Spirit punching back, knowing that there's no arena, no Chronos here.
So they can go in.
try to make something done.
Their heroes don't rely that heavily on the cooldowns.
You have Lasso, you have Coil,
but you're still gonna be taking fights
even if you don't have those two alties available.
They're not really the longest cooldowns.
Maybe, you know, 75 feels a lot,
but it's not that much,
and it's now 75 turning into 60 on the next level
of Lasso for Batrider, Yule's arena, spear,
timed, and perfect from the arrow.
GPK's right there with him,
and Lotto's gonna die on this puck.
It was one of the things that was kind of talked about is being the difference maker between these two teams in these drafts and right now while they've done a good job of
slapshotting this puck and while they feel like quite the hockey team so far for Betbun.
They're ready to take another fight, 20 seconds.
For Kronosphere, Tormentor is also close by.
Blink tagging for Mars, no arena though but still his positioning is going to be much easier.
In terms of sustain, they don't have that much. This is a bit of a risky move.
This team spirit kind of managed to maybe squeeze in some smoke,
catch them off guard, right now. Okay, he gets it, Katoma gets it. That's gonna be their regeneration.
You always love to see that shard coming for the Oracle. You bless the reigns of destiny.
And we'll ultimately try to heal up more and survive in these fights and more sustain for the side of
BB team
It's come to that point where
Void is caught up to Yatoro despite the fact that he's had that early advantage and was ahead by a little bit being unbothered
except for that gank up top and
Kiritich is getting there, you know
He's picked up on this void
He's got the full meal on her finished about to have that man to and you gotta wonder how are they gonna shut down?
Curitich now that one death happening at the shrine pre six since then they really haven't been able to
fully grasp the void and shut him down
Well, that's just getting spotted and Mieros here
Claps gonna be able to go on the cliff a little bit of croaker help with the ether emin catches him spear well off the mark
As the gods view plans they'll hit the lasso out of the void spirit. They are bringing over more in
in safe, who's trying to use them as a pale in arts.
They're all kind of just whipping as the Chronosphere is used over mid.
It's on a Warro, but now Warro hit by a chain of BC,
Avalanche lands onto the face of Svoid.
They finally got that kill to collapse.
They did use the Chrono mid, but that didn't get them anything.
So that's a long cooldown that's going to be there for Kiritich.
They'll spend that time continuing to farm most likely now.
What they'd say that there isn't really many abilities they can throw
inside of the Chronosphere, and it does show.
It's also put them good time.
There's a good ways of following things up on a chrono with him the beast wheel of wonder even just a remnant
Which will give him enough time dream coil jump in waning rift
There's the toss doesn't stop the coil but the reins are destiny on top of this Mars and
Sustaining and not really losing much will look to get this you'lls in land this spear with the area
Well, I'm a little bit too early
But all still in some trouble phase shifting, but the wheel of wonder is there. He'll have to play past
It does so successfully, and now they're looking for more.
They've got the toss back, but this is still going to be a save as he goes into the escape back.
Saved, tamed the beast, all yatorable, hit, no end up dead.
They still get the ringmaster, but it's just that so far.
These are all skill shots. That's one of the problems with the lineup like this.
They're still chasing Rue, another toss back.
He can't get the false promise.
Katelbi's in time.
Very quick with Fates he took two times in a row.
Once on Mars, once on Ringmaster.
But also, missing the spear, that's the big one.
You also have tamed the beast, Wheel of Wonder, Remnant, which are not the easiest things to...
That's why, because he was phase shifted, which means that you're not going to be able to deal as much damage.
That would definitely have enough damage to kill him.
Now, here's a question.
If you're phase shifted in the chrono, technically, chronoptic time is stopped.
Should you even fall out of phase shift?
Might be too difficult for me to answer that question.
Trying to see how you feel about Chronoptics.
I feel good about Chronoptic Energy, Chronoptic Facet.
Coming off from Leshrac, that we've seen in the first game, wasn't too successful.
Thing is, when you're able to...
Hey shift I do avoid a lot of damage in that chrono, but Panto not avoiding the damage coming in from Miero
Or do that survive as this jikiro
But Rue gonna be chased for a second. We do have a listening for Laurel. So let's bring it up
Is anybody to clone
Ah, that was a good one.
And they also have a clown on the P.I.
I mean, they are annoying, dude. That's for sure.
In the Roshan, Springs of Destiny,
aren't they going to make the jump in? No Bat Rider, no more.
This feels like if they're going to go for it, it's going to be just a snatch play.
A loser you're going to try and get some vision, try and figure it out,
but the Abilash is well early.
Team the B-Side of Two, the Wheel of Wonder, and the Chronosphere all committed.
He's going to come in, Spear is going to be avoided, they go to the last one, they get the kill to Warroar as well as Rue.
Both heroes dead, he's ready to collect, Hanukkah laps, and they get themselves a double for Keratich.
Very close, bro.
And a double kill.
Nicely done.
They kind of baited in, knowing what the rate of destiny they have, extra bit of a region coming in, and there they are, annoying, being scared.
They all fit no one card too, it's really impressive.
And we're seeing, we thought we were going to be seeing two voids, but we're actually
seeing three because every single time Yathrow, he turns into Phasus Void.
This was the thing, always having this insane amount of attack speed, turning into heroes
that do have Dash, Spirit Breaker, for example, turning into Void, and also Time Walk plus
also playing off of the Time Dilation.
This spell is insanely good, one of the reasons why he also did go for level 10 talent, didn't
go for the 15, opted to go for more damage-oriented build instead. Can't really blame him, but
the Kiritich, taking a couple of sips of water, needs to stay hydrated, but so far it's been
looking really good for him. These Kronos that he managed to land. And we're going to
see how they're going to be approaching the next fight, because once you get to this Scotty
timing, you are playing against three range cores. Scotty plus time dilation, the heroes
are not going to move. No, not really. We've seen the power of this item previously.
It's going to feel quite strong, and they've got themselves a 6000
net worth lead for Bet Boon team. I was looking over at the Ringmaster. He's got the Carney classics.
It's all about, you ever been to see the carnival? You ever see a clown act? Hold that thought,
Avalanche toss, and GPK, no worries for where.
He's gonna actually turn this around, looking for the tiny, but ice path.
Stunning up GPK impalement.
Not gonna land.
So looking for the impalement arts, but the paintbrush just a little bit too slow.
We'll also have the tricorps, pretty much, of items that are the best against any healing.
So Morphling, Shift is not gonna be as effective.
You have a Spirit's Vessel, relatively early Spirit's Vessel from GPK.
Then you also have Scotty that's gonna be coming out in the next minute or two.
And also, Sheva's Guard, that GPK is starting to build.
It'll be a while till he gets there, but...
The idea is right.
Yatora's still holding onto a Dormant Curio, by the way.
He's looking...
For what? Gunpowder Gauntlet?
What's he looking for in Tier 4 though that he's gonna like considering that's a Tier 3 dormant carrier?
Probably Giant Small. If he wants to tank, I think Rattle Cage is also an okay option.
I think it goes from 110 to 140 on the dormant carrier, on the physical damage.
Yeah, because the other Tier 4 items are not as good. I assume that he didn't get...
But the chances are very low that you don't get Serentid Shiv or Gunpowder Gauntlet as
an item.
So the next tier of items is, I mean, Flair's Moda is the, yeah, that's probably the better
option.
I kind of forgot about that item.
You forgot about the Leather Water bottle that we were talking about?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Nule's into the air and there's the spear to follow it up.
Todd Dilation comes in, but time walking into the ice bathroom is still going to be dead
to right.
but it turns into the faces void and will time walk away
keen-eyed
keen-eyed unrelenting eye
it's a bit of a tongue twister
for the uh... bat rider
grabbing that extra cast range
grab these lassos be
undeterred
it's such a great way you are playing against three melee cores on the enemy side
So you will you will get that it's an insanely good item and you're playing against Scotty
You're playing against time dilation. You have one way of dispelling things good things
He also has boots of bearing so for 1.5 seconds. You are also immune to any of the slows
One easy way to try to reset
Pento is gonna be
Caught in this situation. You know there's a chrono. That's gonna be onto the Bat Rider. They're gonna get a kill into both situations
dropped down a dream coil they've got the silence onto the ringmaster they brought three heroes here
but they've already lost two the arena the spirit all connects rude's gonna be dead they go to the
wheel of wonder now they've got the hypnotized he was on the edge of it they're doing the damage
out of the morphing they get the kill to your turtle it's saved with a wheel of wonder that does it
there's no wondering about how he died it was save who did the damage
now the explosive damage that they do have and also the team fight is pretty nuts like they
They also don't have, like, it's so good for FaZe's Void, I know that we haven't seen, like, this combination yet,
but it's also very easy for him to play a game where he doesn't have to care about jump again, providing some vision,
maybe getting a lucky bash, slow them down now with the freshly bought Scotty,
and then the rest of the team is ready to jump in. Void's spirit as well, Mars.
It's very good for Mars that he doesn't need to be the first initiator of the team.
A lot of the times you see him jump in, especially if you don't have anything to follow it up.
This time, it makes Miro's game so much easier.
And that burst of a heal, I don't think I've been impressed by this one facet.
I might be slightly biased because Mars is one of my favorite heroes, but Victory feels facet.
It's such a strong facet that gives you such a great scaling into the mid and late game,
because it's percentage base heal based on your max HP, so the more HP you have, the more you're gonna get healed.
It has 50% effectiveness on your allies, but it's still quite a lot. 15% on Faceswood, who's sitting at 3000 HP,
that's gonna be extra 450 heal first, and Yattaro also needs to be careful here.
Trying to make the man top. Ah, damn hero.
Exactly what he said, like he doesn't want to go in first, somebody goes in, they get the initial vision, and then he can follow it up with the spear arena.
Completely just got him.
That was a big burst of killing off this morphing, and you can see Beppu have just bursted into a net worth lead that feels, or is starting to feel insurmountable.
Last though, the TP attempt, the damage is there, collapses dead, so BKB and TP, well, they're worthless.
Because they had the heroes, they had the numbers, and they get that kill, and they take out a second.
Spirit crumbling under the pressure that Batbom is bringing their way, and just destroying any ounce of hope that they have at the moment.
They'll go for another one, they'll find... They're just all over the place. Oh, Batbom, don't stop!
Yaro is on a whole other level!
He is. They are getting spirited away by Miero. He's just on every single part of the map.
He is involved in, what, 17 out of 25 kills? And also gonna get the D-word while Kiritich
is finishing off the parrots. And this butterfly is not gonna be as effective. Kiritich almost
immediately, like, four or five minutes afterwards, does have MKB, does have Saratage,
does have Mjolnir. These are all true strike items. Mjolnir on the proc, but
But, uh, butterfly just doesn't feel like an item anymore, and all of these items are also magic items, like you deal damage through the magic, you don't care too much that morphing has 40, 50 armor.
This has been impossible for Spirit.
They're gonna need some big items, and it just doesn't feel like the timing's gonna get there, it's gonna be another objective here for the side of Batboom.
Turning to what could be Roche's seat.
We're gonna see the initial timer go down in 40 seconds.
Now you've got a shard for save
and figuring out when the next Roche is gonna be up
and an Aegis potentially into the hands of Bedboom
that could finish this game up.
You're gonna need so much in that short time force spirit.
It just doesn't feel possible.
Maybe you're gonna feel the need
to have to contest this Roche like they did the last.
Yeah, but the clouds are too annoying.
They're not letting them breathe.
Very fast moves across the map,
utilizing the Twin Gates multiple times
to be at every single form of the map, all the abilities are coming off cooldown,
that boom team ready to strike again, and the team fight is so much easier for them.
It kind of needs to be like the tossback, the dragback into tier 4 towers with the Batriders lasso.
They have good ways of snapping the coil.
Ideally, you would want to have Laurel to have, maybe like be closer to level 5.
I know that we are, it's a lot of copium, but, because you have ways of snapping the coil.
When Morph turns into Mars, you have Tossback, of course, and the Flame Break.
Ooh, root, blinks.
But the double step, finding in, but the A for Remnant is not in time.
Long respawn timer for Roche, so a little bit of extra time giving to Spirit.
Trying to find the right item to fight back against Betbooth.
And it's gonna be tough.
Within this timing, you can definitely see Kyrgyz finish off this BKB before they go into
Rosh.
And then how do you really kill this guy?
I mean, how do you kill him before he gets the BKB?
They've been unable to do that anyway.
How do you kill any of them?
Like, you have Eudescon, Oracle, you have Ringmaster, both of them have Blink Daggers,
Ether Lens, they can really keep the distance and then just go in because three cores are
the ones that are going to be starting the fight through.
If this is in again.
Taking out Panto once more, and that's going to be Jakiro's 8th death, 08 and 5, Laurel
here to cut a creep wave.
Potentially, we'll see if he commits to it.
time it feels like they're showing on the map for a second in the lane. All of
Beck-Boom show up. They've been sticking together quite well and since the
beginning of this game have just overwhelmed with numbers and it has
worked out. They've taken elementary school addition and subtraction pretty
seriously. Five is greater than four, four is greater than two. All those simple
ones that just have seemed to work out throughout the entirety of the game.
You're really proud of you, Matt.
But with you, I didn't know you could do this advanced, Matt.
I've never bragged about it, but...
I'm back in class these days. I have a lot of time on my hands.
It's an online course. I've been kind of busy.
GPK? He's also looking for the BKB.
Roche is going to be up in seven seconds.
Maybe team finishing off getting these tier 4's.
And I was curious to see what Morphling gets.
He's still 4 madstones away, now 2.
I want to see what he has in terms of options and uh...
There he goes, gets those 10.
It has to be Flair's Bota.
Yeah, he gets it.
Got the Flair's Bota, gains that 19.5% base damage.
They'll go in a roche, they've got the Rage of Destiny, Roche will roar, but Spirit, they don't really have the tools to defend against this.
And Thaer's Boat is actually an insane item on Morphling, because it is base damage.
So, a lot of that extra green damage that he is getting, currently sitting at almost 400, the question is, can he get the right clicks in?
It's been tough, he's getting bursted.
I'm not effective, he's not the hero that you kinda used to seeing him.
There is Sheva's Guard, Scotty, and Spirit's Vessel.
You also did not see him shift in the previous fight where he got speared into the arena
straight away.
It seems like GPK is one, sometimes two seconds too late for the move that he's trying to
make.
up here he might get caught spotlight looking but not finding him it's actually
GPK who finds the tiny who's gonna keep you wait no just dies from saves damage
right at the end he was in base according to his death spot
another pause in what what spirits like is it high ground defense that they have
It is. Try to buy time, maybe Morph will get to one more item. I see Daedalus. This is like the most damage output you can get once you pick up the butterfly.
BKB Manta, he needs to have multiple way of dispelling all of these annoying things, playing into multiple silences.
If he can get the hands on that, maybe try to creep skip and then to toss back the drag back from Batrider.
BKB in the backpack of Kiritich shard on the way to get that backwards time lock.
Kiritich will just stand up out of the high ground knowing he's got this ages,
but there is that axe on Batrider, so there's a second hero to show up next to Kiritich.
You might take that blank in with the double lasso. Seems like they are aware of it.
They don't want to risk anything letting Kiritich just slowly see it.
She can about jump again. She was scarred.
They're gonna have to try and go.
But it's on the back lines that they're gonna make a move with the BKB. They've got the Dreamclaw on it too.
But there's the spotlight on Talarro and now they'll have to double-last them.
Where's the depth to follow it up? The ice path as well as the macro pyre is gonna be there right now.
Here she's gonna go after the morphing. Your tour is taking too much damage. She's gonna be silenced up time.
Look away. There's the Proto. It's gonna be through under the morphing. They'll get the kill.
He's dead for a 90, has Bivac uses it immediately.
Face shift to loser, you are back on him by the high ground,
but Kiritich, he's coming in.
It's all of Beth Booms.
They're the killer clowns from outer space
and fading the base of Spirits.
They get the kill out of Pantel, he's gonna buy back two.
Down goes Yatoro, he's gone for so long.
The Beth Booms symbol is all over their base
and the Bivac symbols aren't even fading
from these heroes before they die again.
Yatoro, Laurel, Collapse, all dead,
Occhial comes in for Kiritich.
They cannot stop this faceless void.
He is dominating this fight, dominating this game, and they have no answers.
Hex. As well as the God's Rebuke, Laurel is going to be able to phase shift, they'll buy back on the Oracle, they'll have to sustain the spear land through Cod, chipped away, chiseled down, and gone.
He has to buy back, but man, there is not much holding on here for Spirit as it's just 2v5.
They managed to only kill Katoumi in that previous fight, no Morphin for 70, no Jikiro, Batsuragi's dead for 30.
They found a like relatively good angle with the Batrider and Puck Alti,
but there's really not that much follow-up damage with Kirit Ditch.
Pops that Chronosphere immediately, kills him instantly.
They also have Hex available on Mars, so much control,
so many things that Morphon cage to play against.
They're kind of banking on the fact that it's taking quite a long time to get through these tier fours,
but it's not gonna take 45 seconds to get through this route.
Can't they throw them into the fountain?
Dreamcoyle Loro on the back line looking for the Oracle.
Gets to go to Kethelmy who did buy back.
But now where do you focus your attention?
As they'll use the hex they've got,
the spirit's going to be in the control to collapse.
He's still alive.
Now the lasso.
Can he drag him all the way back into the fountain?
Oh, Keratich on the steps.
He went a time walk back towards the throne.
Flamebreak lands to get the Aegis out of the hands
of this faceless Lloyd.
Rue is here with a sliver of health.
And the Spirit Vest is on him.
And the extra step from GBK is there.
Time walk in, time walk out.
Throne's going to be focused.
That's going to be the game, and Betboom take the series 2-1 over Spirit.
Beautifully executed, right, man.
Kurethich, GPK, they popped off Nero as well.
He was all over the place, two supports keeping the distance, insanely good positioning,
making sure that they are not going to be able to get any kind of kills
once they initiate with either Buck, Thiny, or Batrider.
They look so good.
They're cooking on Betboom, and they're probably cooking on the panel, too,
so let's send it their way to see what they're cooking up.
We're cooked on the panel is what's going on here because
Yeah, we we sort of had a feeling that maybe spirit was looking a bit scary, but I've got to hand it to Jenkins
You did say yesterday
Bet they were powering up just at the right time. No one's paying attention to them
And look what they've just done to spirit. Look how they're massacred my boy. Yeah. I mean dota is simply a
cyclical game, you know
a flat circle. It is a flat circle. Time does repeat itself. And back boom when they won a Wallachia, this is exactly what they did. They kind of got by beating like OK teams, you know, two one series. People weren't really talking about them compared to the big stories that are happening.
and then all of a sudden, they're powering up throughout the entire tournament to the point where every single player on their team is playing so well, and they're also doing it with a draft, which is, you know, there's normal stuff in there, right?
Like the Mars is really good, ringmaster shirt, decent voidspear versus buck. Faces void carry? Nah, that's not really a thing. Oracle against the Bat Rider? Also not a thing, but they have the answers to some of the meta-heroes, and they were able to execute.
Yeah, I just think like also it's not like the type of game where you're like, uh, you know
Beboum won because Spirit played bad. I don't think Spirit played bad by any means like maybe they didn't look great
But when I looked at this game it had a lot more to do that
Beboum were always doing the correct thing like I really like a lot of their itemizations
I think a lot of the teamfights they had they were very clutched like look at the course
They have one zero and one death to the name because their supports also they played amazing like Katoumi on the Oracle
He wasn't like every play same with you know save they have multiple like spells to back up their team
I think what they were doing and also like very clutch and like fast kills is one time
Yotaro runs down the mid lane on the river
He just gets immediately like blasted and I think also making sure you have the corona available on the roge that
Collapse can steal it like this guy on the screen. I loved his itemization like you have an oracle
You have a ring master go full DPS
You don't need any of the other items 11 1 and 12 and just a beautiful game. It was like that movie
Kung Fu Panda, where Tai Lung is attacking the villagers in the flashback scene.
And Team Spirit, they were the villagers.
You mean when Tai Lung won V5 against the village?
No, against the village. I agreed because there wasn't anything to throw into the
Chrono. This was a lone faceless void game and he did it. He won V5.
Well, Slacks, it's always a 1v5 when he's interviewing.
What the fuck are you guys talking about?
Anyway, ladies and gentlemen, I'm here in Miro!
So good to see you!
An incredible game!
I don't really care about game 1 and game 2 after watching that Mars performance.
I mean, that was just, you are everywhere!
What's it like to be in a game like that where it's just momentum and you're a part of almost
every single kill?
It's because we're talking about how do we want to play map.
So we're just communicating all the time, and it's like good for us.
Alright, can we talk about that draft?
You know the one.
You guys don't have a coach right now, so who came up with the incredible Necrophos
Muerte draft?
It's just, our draft just says it's just a draft for one series, so yeah.
It can be good, but I think it should be good, but we didn't play really well.
I think we could win this game, but after the early game was rough, so that's why.
Okay, well, it's nice to know that you guys thought you could win that game.
Confidence is good.
All right, now you guys took out Team Spirit in some of their best heroes, you know?
We got Laurel, Puck, we got...
It was extremely impressive.
Were you prepared for this specifically against these guys?
I know that you faced off against Team Spirit a lot, but this tournament, were you really
looking to take them out?
I think they got Laurel Park, we got GPK Void Spirit, we got Fenceswet Kiritich, I think
it's not about the heroes, it's about how we want to play.
Alright, well you played absolutely spectacularly, so thank you very much for that incredible
performance, but I do have to ask you now, who do you want to see next?
I mean, you guys are on everybody's radar now, all right?
You've been coasting, as Batboom does before,
especially in the Wallachia that you guys won,
and nobody notices, and then suddenly,
oh yeah, this team's unbelievably good.
So everyone's gunning for you.
Who are you gunning for?
Who's left?
It's Yandex, upper bracket.
Yandex and against...
Liquid.
I think we enjoyed playing against Liquid,
and also against Team Yandex.
They're playing with the standing DM.
He's our friend, so we enjoy to play against him.
That's very positive.
We're here for the drama, the very aggressive stuff.
Can you just pretend to talk some shit, please, to DM?
Not really.
How about Liquid?
I mean, you know, those guys, they're playing good,
so we're going to prepare for them
and try to show us how we play.
I can help you out.
Do you want me to talk some shit for you?
All right, if you can.
Okay, fantastic.
Liquid ass, all right.
Liquid terrible blitz.
You're not even gonna make it, bro.
You're not even gonna make it to face off against us.
This is bet, boom.
And you can bet your ass.
You guys are going back to the toilet, baby.
Flush!
And DM's gonna be the one shitting on you.
All right, how's that?
Yeah.
Great, all right.
We'll see you there for the next series. Bye.
How's that? I, I can't do this anymore.
Like I'm fucking mine, dude.
Like actually, like what do I even do? I have to react to that.
He just talked about a player who's been like literally shitting on them.
Was this our fault for the kung fu pan of stuff?
Am I, I, I will take the blame. I think we should be accountable.
Um, right. Hang on. I did have a.
Wait, I, I, I gotta say, I have a second. I have a second.
I just want to get me out of it.
I just want to give a rundown of when Beppum won the last Wallachia, what happened.
Okay.
In the groups, they had to go until the 5th, so they were about to be eliminated.
They did that here?
Yeah.
So, same thing.
They got knocked into lower bracket by Liquid in a 2-1.
Liquid ass slugs.
They made it through the lower bracket.
They had another 2-1 series against Spirit, and then they made it to the Grand Finals,
and when they went 3-1.
So it's the same trajectory of just slowly powering up every single series
to the point where it feels like it could be too late, where it's like,
oh, shit, we need to look at what they're doing.
But there's not that much time left for teams to prepare against this.
They're just looking like really strong.
And I think also like you can tell, I think like this guy, Miro,
I love like just how he slots into the team, not just gameplay wise, but also,
again, I want to reference like the listening.
We know they have very, you know, hot headed people in the team.
I think this guy is like very calm.
He's always there when you need him to be and I think he like he keeps them nice and steady because we all know
They have the skill and when they play like this, they can be anything. Yeah, well, thanks a lot guys
We are going to a break they gave it away in that interview what the next series is gonna be
It's gonna be liquid versus yandex. We'll see you in just a moment
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Welcome back. Team Yandex have had something of a miracle run through this tournament,
surprising everyone. But I'll tell you, panel, Team Liquid will have to man the decks if
If they want to beat the Yandex.
Okay.
Got some more plays going on.
I was looking for your reaction.
React harder.
I'm reacting as hard as I can.
That's a good reaction.
Mean that at home.
But everyone get that.
I want a GIF or a GIF.
What's a meme?
What is it?
That's a May-May.
I'll tell you who isn't a meme.
He's seeing Liquid.
Always in contention.
Well, I got something to show you if you think they're not.
some crazy meme type stuff that they're gonna show crazy tech it's some crazy
tech show me you want to see it yeah computer pull up liquid tech mp4 yeah
it's there it's coming through the camera it's coming there it is so we
watched me should play against huskar mid yesterday and this is tiny versus
huskar it's pathetic nobody likes to play this matchup how does he do it well
He tries to throw a tree and grab the creep wave. There's all of these tactics. Oh, he missed how does he deal with this?
He's the best mid on the entire planet
How could he possibly miss that actually white one de-warded his mid ward so he can see the creep wave was there's a lot of levels to this
But got this yes, look at this. He has to throw a tree to get the CS
Okay, now he's going behind the tower. He's trying to grab the creep wave like BGM zones him and he misses the wave
He misses the wave, but you guys remember this game just as well as I did right he dominated
This doesn't look like domination to me. What does he do? He recruits the sixth player for Team Liquid.
There's a sixth player, and it's not PPD this time.
He is going behind the tower with the courier, and the courier has three health bars.
Why? Because they have Marcy. So the courier is tankier, and you can take a bunch of hits from the creeps and
use the courier to drag the creep wave. Now look at all of this weird shit that happens.
Easy M. He has to go stop tiny for Parker's tipping the parkers to feel because this is it's insane
And it's like it's something that only works if you have Marcy or it's a lot easier if you have Marcy
So I even wonder if liquid left in the Huskar because they had Marcy
No, I think you figured it out because if you remember when they locked in the Huskar they all started laughing yeah
Yeah, yeah, what what is going on?
So this is so what I need to do is from this what I think Nisha is doing is Huskar is supposed to destroy tiny if
If you are making him run around and chase you until the rune spawn, look now BZM has to go get the runes
Nisha still gets a rune and now he can survive in the lane for a little bit longer
And this is what he did. He used the courier, he used underhanded tactics to grab creep waves
Until rune spawn. It's you basically have this guy who's supposed to be dumb during the lane chasing another dude around
Until rune spawn, but then one guy has a bottle and the other guy doesn't and the guy who has the bottle who's supposed to be losing is like
Oh, thank you. That's very nice. So another little thing that Nisha does, this is way more obvious than the courier in retrospect.
He goes to pick up the Boundary, and he seems to use other objectives, his other ways of having impact on the game, which is not just going mid and getting zoned by Huskar.
He runs bot, who expects a level 4 Tiny to show up, and he gets a kill in the lane.
So I wanted to show the network difference at this point. Huskar has 3844, I think Jiro actually was lower, it was around 3000 networks, a bit of visual bug here.
But regardless, you have Tiny, who has just as much net worth as two of the cores on the side of the Huskar team.
Like, he's keeping up with the other cores.
And Huskar has 3800 net worth less than the other two cores on Team Liquid.
How? How is it possible when this hero is supposed to dumps to mid?
But genuinely, like this courier thing-
Oh, this is so cool.
This is tech I really think other teams should use to deal with Viper last pick, Hustker last pick,
because what are you gonna do?
Are you gonna send supports mid to gank a courier?
Like, and if you're the Huskar,
you have to either go to the lane to the tiny
or go to the courier to stop him from cutting the leg.
You can't do both.
No, I do think this is amazing.
It just goes to show, like, some of these teams,
like, you know, their understanding of, like, you know,
Boxy, he plays the martial and suddenly it's like,
oh, you can play different matches
because some hero has this innate
that makes your courier flying and you can take more hits.
And even, like, with what you showed,
he missed, like, one or two waves and it doesn't matter.
He does the Korea thing. He like walks around and it's just the beauty of like the top level Dota where you have to be able to play the best matchup
You need to be creative and I have never seen this
You know people of course have abused like the couriers in different ways, but I think this one is super amazing
You know the crazy thing is I actually have seen this before and it was Nisha and I remember watching him do that and thinking like I
Hope he does this at a tournament that I'm covering so I can
So I can cover it because it's so cool
And he did it and it makes me think like how many times has he done this that we just haven't seen it because
You're looking at the heroes on the map. You're not looking like where's the career at?
There's only five heroes in the game of Dota 2
So I really do believe that this is a little bit of a secret tech that liquid has been using that other teams
Don't realize and and they should like perhaps even something that should be I could see at some point being nerfed
Well, hopefully team Jannex have watched that segment
because they've got to take on Team Liquid right now.
Kezu, I think this is bit for me.
We always get one team out of Alahia
that kind of surprises everybody.
And for me, it's definitely been these guys.
I mean, these guys are like incredibly cool.
Like when you look at their players, I think first of all,
you know, you have like Watson and Malady
who played in, you know, the last season with Gigi
and like with the likes of Quinn, where I'm sure they learned a lot.
And I think Watson to me, he was always like on this like limit.
He's good, but he's not quite doing it yet.
I think right now, he's playing very well, like everyone around them as well.
I think DM is slotting in very well.
Like, remember, he's just a stand-in, but he's doing so well, like in this team.
I think both him and Soxa, they're like enabling each other in a super nice way.
You can leave DM alone.
Now Soxa, who's very similar, I would say to Boxy, he gets to like run around
and like do his things on his shadow shamans, on his tiny's.
Like, when you, these two guys are the ones where I really think they need to be respected.
They do so much. This is Minoten. Look at how many kills they're in.
This is like a Marci, a Minoten. Boxy has been in eight kills.
Saxa is level four. He's been in five kills.
It's just like these two players are the guys for these two teams,
where they set the tempo of the early game.
If you let them run free, your early game is getting cooked.
Yeah, they are two like S tier top three in the world.
They are.
Of course. I know for a long time people,
And maybe this is definitely like some crazy opinion looking back
But I think a lot of people looked at Yandex and said this is only a team because of Salsa like he
He is legitimately that good
Of course, that's not true anymore
The rest of the players have absolutely proven themselves, but Salsa is amazing now
He's like a driving force, but look at these stats like looking into here first of all, you know
Watson is also on both sides. So of course, he's doing great, but standout player like Nisha top KDA by a lot
What is that KDA?
He has a 4 KDA difference to the second player in this tournament.
And he also has the lead steps.
Yeah.
So if you're Yandex, obviously you understand this guy is in form.
Like this guy needs to be stopped.
Like him with Boxy.
If you give Boxy a free game, he's going to this guy and aiding the best player.
The theory doesn't has to.
It's like, how do you stop him?
We've seen drafts.
Just kill him.
We've seen drafts and take away every single one of his heroes.
He'll just pull something else out.
Yeah.
Cutting, cutting like 3 years.
Yeah, I don't know if Nisha can be stopped right now
I mean, that's a big problem if that's the case because the thing is if people want to beat them
They've got to find a way to stop him
I remember talking to Quinn about Nisha and this was at the time that Quinn was rank one in the world for like two years or something
Like that is like peak skill where he was untouchable mid
Except for against Nisha and he said something about Nisha that like he legitimately thinks the guy is just a savant
And he has some gene in his brain that makes him like insanely good at Dota
He probably like sucks ass at everything. Maybe like
He's a terrible cook, you know, like he'll literally never learn to cook because all of his stat points were taken out of everything else and put into being a
Jacked Polish guy and being really really good at Dota
Yeah, I mean I love a character build. Yeah, and honestly, you know
Recently since he started pubbing because of the the mandated pubs from jabs
Nisha went from it's like oh my god. He's ranked three crazy. I remember seeing the ranked here
I'm like this he's not stopping and if there was a rank higher than one
He'd probably go there, but he's ranked one now on the leaderboards of course like the guy the guy is it genuinely amazing
Admit it. Yeah, he's so good
I feel like ever since he like started popping like especially because this guy and other players to like zoom mail
You always hear these stories of these guys don't play and then they still go to tournaments and like this shit on other people
But now that this guy is also playing like 10 pups a day
He's ranked one and like playing all these different matchups. You can tell what kind of a beast he is
Yeah, and you know obviously you can see a couple of heroes maybe one in particular the books come
This guy's back on mr. Batman that is gonna open up for the Batrider
So the windrunner was liquid's previous answer to the hero obviously that's not coming out
We also saw them go wind plus shadow demon to beat it
But Yandex did their preparation, knowing that Liquid is going to ban most of the big four heroes.
Cool respect ban as well for Watson, taking his TA very sensitively.
He's looked too good on the hero.
Maybe it's a weird situation to be in, but Beastmaster is a hero that is high in priority in terms of cores
that you could pick here if you think it's going to get banned.
You could also just take a casual support like some Jakiro Phoenix, that sort of thing.
Go Naxi if you can get some better core matchup.
Or Mars, that's another good one.
I mean so far this is just you know, we're re-watching the bed boom series versus third you have first big bad
You get the Mars which is also funny because I think there's a high chance bed boom wouldn't even have picked Oracle had they not seen liquid
Pick Oracle yesterday like in their series against the bad riders
So you know going into the second phase obviously there's a lot of options
You know in the air, but I think just having a sort of like stronger answer to this blink lasso is always great
And we talked about it a little bit yesterday as well when we were covering liquid
Obviously Ace, you know, has worked very hard at his Mars and made significant improvements to the point where it might have been a priority to try and get him on something comfortable anyway, but actually he does jam on this here on it.
Yeah, whatever happened with him joining Liquid, it seems like he has broken the curse a little bit of being the guy who's just like underlord every single game, you know, he has to do his flow chart, otherwise it's not going to work out.
to work out. Like maybe he is still that type of player when it comes to executing in the game,
but in terms of like being stuck on a very small hero pool, he's not really that type of player
anymore. He's shown that he's more than capable of learning stuff, which is nice to see.
I mean, it's just like you also understand that players of this caliber, of course,
they can pick up like other things. While maybe, you know, the aura guys are like still his like
S tier type stuff. I think especially the Mars. It's really like getting quite close and no different heroes call for different answers
So I'm very happy to see as Mars here
So the question now for liquid is do they go for a zero dopamine hero in the warlock with Mars?
Or did they go for big dopamine hero in the phoenix I?
Really like that they took the Oracle out now like haven't seen Oracle versus bat in two games and the Oracle kind of come out
It's too good. Yeah, it's even just like disarming somebody and preventing all of bat's damage is often enough to
Make the hero worth picking and that's aside from the fact that you can purge the stacks of sticky napalm of the queue
You can purge the ulti and save from the ulti with the oracle ults
It counters bad in like three different ways
I mean, so yeah, you mentioned the phoenix and the warlock like to me
I've watched liquid a little bit and I've called for phoenix a few times. I've just started to learn that
They don't like it.
Yeah, they just don't really play it.
So you get zero dopamine gameplay instead.
Poor tofu.
Yeah, I know, yeah.
He's just warlock every game.
It's his turn to ascend to the Nirvana.
God, it's just so easy, though, to pick warlock, because you know that basically you just pick
a carry that's good for the game, and you will get through the lane.
You press heal on the guy, you fatal bonds, the creep wave to the off-laner.
The off-laner says, ow, I have to go back and heal with my tranquil boots and the carry
free farms.
And I would like to see how Yennex respond to this like most of the time you had Saxa
I think he's played a lot of Shadow Shaman. He's very good on this hero
So this is you know one hero I could see come out. Yeah, if they would prefer maybe one of like the more melee guys
I think there is a task is pretty good
I don't know if he loves Marcy as much as Boxie does but you know having bad with a melee is kind of cool
You can just pull waves against the warlock. You're chilling
I like to shaman because it's it's like that pseudo melee
category and then you're also blocking liquid from taking it as well. I agree.
Like how many times have we seen Warlock plus Shaman now and it looks so damn
good every time. Oh they're gonna value the kez. I mean I guess they're thinking
that it's like liquid is going to put a lot of value on it too and take it in
this next phase. So they they block it by doing this. Okay I mean it is also very
good against Mars. I mean we have seen this more. I think the first times we
saw this matchup it the Mars really got obliterated because it was more like
new what I still knew on the scene I think now Mars you know the players have
gotten a little more accustomed to the matchup it's still horrible but I
haven't seen people die as much as you know the first times you saw this I
think against Kaz I mean shaman would have been amazing some sort of hard
lockdown and ability to burst them like lion feels really good to do that you
also have the just overwhelming amounts of disables which if you can simply
escape kez in the lane and not let him stack up his you know damage over time bullshit on you
that's a way to deal with him pretty nicely i mean i like lyon that you said willow also
i think it's another one that i can see okay more that's interesting at least for now carry
exactly like we don't really know where it goes i would say while it has a very good
matchup into kez i think batrider feeds on most range carries in the game like when you play carry
against Bat you usually want to be either the Manta guy or the Lincoln's guy or maybe both
just to like make his life a little bit harder so I do want to see where Liquid take this on the
next pick because if you want to keep the flex open you need to pick your mid here. Yeah exactly
which is it can be a bit a bit rough yeah it is a very good line with Mars though like the crit
in a mar like to play this you fear back into spear into tower. Wow they do just lock it in which is
quite interesting. So it is just a carry Muerta for now, because you know Tosca is going to be the
four, with the Mars, you're going to be okay in that lane. Like I don't think you're going to do
great in this lane, because you already have Caz against the Mars, now you're up with another melee.
Do you run Tosca with Muerta instead, and try to feed off of Bat, and then Warlock plus Mars,
or something like that? Yes, yes, actually, absolutely.
Push the lane with fatal bonds and Mars nukes? I think you should do that. Passively win the lane.
can also like just heal the Mars and like try to get through it so if you're
Yandex I want to see like I do think there's a lot of value on the 5th later
like if you can pick something that has like a lot of lockdown cause while
Warlock can push the lane and like he heals the guy there's no like cancel to
anything like what if you put Rasa in the safe lane and you just start
shackling the Mars and Warlock just sits there like I'm healing you you know you're
not stopping the shackle they're just gonna beat you down
I mean, this hero has also looked, I would say, incredibly good.
Like if this guy doesn't get ran over, the scale and just like, you know, the sun strikes
here, you get the cataclysm with the bat right there later, people just die also, Martha.
It's a low HP hero.
Yeah.
So getting like all this magical stuff flying around is super annoying.
We just saw this versus Martha.
It looks miserable for Martha.
Yeah.
Just a tornado into a mirror and one other spell and she's like, okay, I got a BKB GG.
And then you also have a Sunstrike set up in the Shadow Shaman and the Batrider, so that's a very very nice
Very nice draft so far Cataclysm set up in these two heroes as well eventually
Okay, so let's see what do we have here because it should be a support that's left for Yandex
I mean it can be a four or a five I would say
And then for Liquid you do have the
last pick on Nisha against the invoker. Can they ban out the Malady last pick
Dazzle? I mean Dazzle plus Kez. It's just really strong. That does not sound fun to
play against. Is there anything else that's like you're trying to look for
like a five that's interesting? Chen? I think Chen is good. Just run down run
down the towers. I mean, I guess like Mars Tusk could maybe, oh no, we are assuming it's
going to be Mars Warlock, right? I mean, I guess if you chained, then maybe they just
put the Tusk there and then they feel better. Yeah. I think chained overall is good because
the liquid draft isn't like really high damage. It's only like once monitor has items until
then chained is like super good. How about disruptor? I know usually people pick it against
bat writer. But I really feel that a kez running you down in a
structure pulling you back seems quite devastating. But then
maybe you put tusk there and he can like snowball save out of
the glimpse back, something like that.
The structure is okay, but something seems a bit off, maybe
like you're lacking damage or like, because he wants to like
obvious, I mean, you can play nicely off of kez and bat. So
maybe it can work. But I feel like there might be better off
chance.
We worried at all that there's no hero on Yandex. It's like a
tanky boy to run in there and start fights. I mean, I guess, suppose Batrider is kind
of that these days with the aura build.
Yeah, I mean, getting it from your five is kind of difficult anyway.
Like Ogres and Undyne just don't look really that great on this patch. Those are like the
types of, I mean, clockwork, I guess, is another one that can just get in there.
Nothing that's like full-selling me at least for now. They're all like they're all good
That's what would have been really good actually for yandex
Hmm cuz like yeah, I think if you go for the zombie like while he gives you a lot of team fight
I think they just like split the waves and don't really care like you don't get like all this pressure you're looking for
Maybe some bane hmm, but bane is pretty good. That's like that's fine
Do you want to pseudo get in there type hero?
Yeah, and like you have like a semi save you can set up Sunstrike.
I don't know any of these are kind of okay.
Oh that's not what I was expecting.
Me neither.
I mean I always liked like the the Batrider Phoenix like together.
I think what Batrider wants is you jump a guy they drag in and then you know that everyone
kind of needs to like run in from the opposing team to like help the guy that's getting lassoed.
So you have a lot of follow-up damage with the invoker you can drop the egg you're pretty happy
with that. And also in a way I would have expected Liquid to look for maybe like a Slardar.
I think Phoenix is kind of nice against this as well because I'm looking for Liquid to
again have this high tempo, play into the invoker, have a good lane and have like the
supports that can play with you. It's a very, it's quite a good storm game.
Now there's a silence on the Qes and you have Saqsay on the Shadow Shaman who has of course
a couple of counter plays but you know you get the snowball save, you're pretty happy.
that of Jenkins. Yeah, I like the storm. I mean, I was
questioning it into something like a shadow shaman or a
line, but I feel like these heroes are so popular these
days that you just you have to pick the storm anyway. And
he's also oftentimes tanky enough to survive a shadow
shaman like hex combo or you just BKB and jump the shaman.
You know, there's there's options. I don't feel like this
was some crazy gotcha last pick by any means from liquid, but
They have a very comfortable draft that looks very liquid style.
They have a lot of options for snowballing and winning the game.
But I think the same for Yandex.
I feel like Yandex has a easier to execute draft.
I think you've said the key word, snowballing, boxy on tusk.
Yeah, that's the key.
Always the key.
It's just going to be so oppressive.
He loves these heroes that just get up in your face and get around the map.
It is. I would say it's a pretty good storm game.
I agree that it's not like free, but it's it's quite good also like you've got the tusk to I think help him out
To me it's a lot also about DM. He has looked very good
I think it's overall a good bet right a game the storm matchup is a little bit annoying
But he can be the x-factor against the Murata in this game because I think he has to help out his cores
But CJ on the invoker I got my eyes on him because I'm overall slightly leaning towards liquid here
You've highlighted him before as being a player. He thinks improved like quite a lot
recently. Where do you think his level is at right now? Because it's going to be a
tough laning phase from at the very least. I mean, I think he's doing great.
The problem is he's up against Nisha, so while he's improved, you know, there's
more improvement, you know, to be had to match up well against him. But this
laning stage should be good. Invoker is his S tier hero, though. It's his best
hero. So if there's any hero that he can do that on in a good game, it's Invoker.
Alright, we're about to find out. But first, we check in with slacks on the
sidelines thank you so much Richard Lewis yes I am here with the coach of
Yandex let's get this out of the way here kids what are we doing I mean I'm a
big Yandex fan this hero is questionable unless it's me and but you
have enough faith I think the mids the only way to do it you think Kerry is
good I think it's only Kerry only Kerry explain that talk to me like I'm an
idiot and I have no idea what's going on. Also this guy, DM, ran to go potty and now he's going
back. He went to the bathroom, explain that. Don't you have to go before you go on your magical
adventure? I think you're asking the wrong guy. You should ask him. Okay, I will, yeah. All right,
all right. Anyway, let's get back to the Kaz, my friend. So carry only on Kaz. Is this true?
I mean, I guess it can be played on me, but you're going to be carrying away from me. So
what's the point to going meet if you want to be farming creeps? That's true. And if I had to trade,
You know a cheer a junior and voker for mid over anything else. I'd go with cheer a junior and voker as well
So, okay, no worries. All right. What do you think about your opponents draft here? They got some scary stuff
It's not me should puck though, so that's good news. Yeah, that's my first face
As you should and this is a strategy that we're seeing a lot of people do against liquid a lot of pressure on Nisha a lot of
rotations to kind of shut them down. Is this something that you're planning on doing in this game?
Fantastic. Now, if you had to tell me the one secret to defeating Team Liquid as you were about to
2-0 in the series, what would that be?
And if you had one secret to defeating your team, what would it be?
No lane!
He's on top of this game, like he's back, like he was always there, you know, top three.
People always talked about it for a good amount of time.
He was the best mid laner, I always praise Nisha, and then some other names started to
pop up, but Nisha, he needs to remind them, all of them, all of us, who's the real king
of the mid lane.
And he did that in the last couple of tournaments as well, especially at Valakia, he's popping
off every single game.
He doesn't have the lane, he makes the lane for himself.
A couple of tricks up his sleeve with the courier, with the dragging.
Plays the lane, like, you'll see him gank the enemy's side lane four minutes in when he's playing tiny,
because he doesn't have the lane.
So you're kinda actually buffing him up by focusing him so hard.
Yeah, and you know, he's in this mid lane just saying, let's do it.
He's the king win of mid, and I don't really know what the secret is to beating this guy,
But right now, it feels like there is no secret because, well, the answer doesn't actually really exist.
Yeah, they just say Kinguin because this is one of the, like, first themes that he played for back in the days.
I hit you with a little let's do it before that as well, you know, giving a little bit of the, uh, the history hidden between bad commentary.
Top lane, I haven't received this bat so many times, they were talking about the aura bat, we've seen boots of bearing on the Batrider quite often.
And you know, you want to be able to get these pick offs and maybe work with that Soxa instant hats to get the control, especially if the idea is to get Nisha, right?
Yeah, for sure. This lane, this time around, Team Liquid decided to swap things around, which I really like.
you have Tusk and you also have Mickey so the lane you'll have something to stop the shackles with and very good charge coming
Up from boxy
Stopping the pull of this lane for at least the second box is gonna put some damage on the socks
Somebody's got the chicken fingers, so he'll continue to pull the wave. However, there's dying in the bottom lane
It's another hit plug grenade has been used. No food doesn't have enough
Now, so really glad that they decided to swap to position 4 and 5 in this one.
It also allows them to heal up Mars, sometimes she needs to do that, and even with the Boots of Speed,
Saksa still unable to outrun Boxy.
Lunkinate has been used.
Ice Shards ready again in 10 seconds, but this also leaves Mikae in a situation where he's getting all the levels.
This is exactly what Marta needs.
Tusk, definitely not a hero that needs as many levels, but his level 6 is very powerful, having an insane burst of damage, extra bit of a control.
I'm a little surprised that we're not seeing too much out of Tusk, so far he's sitting at sub 50% win rate, picked only 11 times, but I definitely do feel like he has his place in meta.
Always was good, you have BKB piercing tools, save, Roshan taking potential, we are in tanky meta,
tag team pretty much kills everything, so I don't know, I still feel like if I had to choose
one hero that has been the best position for over the last like five, ten years, I'd go with Tusk,
that's my first pick. Tusk especially with these early BKBs that we've been seeing from a lot of
these cores does help you to get a little bit of control with those BKBs, so it's a good
Dero to pick, like you said, not seen a lot of it, but seen some of it in this game.
True Junior on this invoker, they give him the invoker up against this storm,
and of course he's gone into the agent of Galaron trying to land those sun strikes,
which is the combination we saw earlier tonight, right?
Like we saw that with the Shadow Shaman shackles into a sun strike later on, Cataclysm.
You could do that with the lasso as well, lasso shackles all of a sudden.
There's a Cataclysm to follow it up.
You could potentially do a lot of damage.
I think that's also the main reason why they decided to swap things around,
because if you play Warlock plus Muerta, you really don't have that many spells.
Especially if they go on Muerta, you go in with Shackles, Hexer,
then go with the Batrider, and then Sunstrike is kind of guaranteed.
This time around they have ways of stopping that.
Moxley doesn't have a snowball yet, but we'll trap some on the other side.
We're ready to go. Muerta level 4.
It's a lot of damage, and also a lot of survivability on Mikkei.
15-1 charges, fairy fire, and healing lotus, a lot of turn around potential.
Probably not getting chased too much, but maybe they do have the first with Sunstrike.
And Box is also the one who's using mana, using shards, pretty much of cooldown,
trying to harass Soxa in this one, knowing that his stick is going to be full tofu.
He's in trouble, might drop for first blood, he is going to be Watson who gets this kill.
Harry stuns a base for a second and unable to get this kill onto the Kez.
Kez, they said in the interview, only carry.
And that's what we're looking at with Watson on it, Echo Strike, not going to land the second time.
But we've seen these Kez as they get to a couple of items and they start to feel like they're out of
control. And especially from ahead, this hero seems to be close to unstoppable.
Yeah, especially if you go for Belden.
Shackles are there!
That's the kill!
On a big A they look over at Boxy's Sunstrike, gonna come through and watch him out of the tusk!
He walks into it.
So did they get him before yet?
Yep, he didn't get anything done. No fairy fire, no lotus, no magic wand.
Boxy didn't have snowball available, he was one creep away from it.
Now it's gonna die to Tofu.
That'll...
give him a...
Book of the Grimoire. Get him a page at least and...
We've been seeing a lot of teams try to avoid giving Warlock any...
Oh yeah, they don't want to give him that page of the mage, they don't want to give him extra bit of XP,
because it can be too powerful. One of the reasons why a lot of the times you see Warlock lineups,
smoke, and try to make something happen, because if he gets 2-3 charges, it can be pretty difficult, DM.
DM, that's calling chicken fingers and the Sun Strike landing on Mikke, another kill for
Cheer Junior, he is on it with the Sun Strikes.
This is the best combination of the game, Shadow Shaman plus Invoker, people are playing
the big Serpent Ward facet, plus the chicken fingers, it's too good of a facet, even though
That one got nerfed slightly, I believe, but overall, this is so much better for trading, for initiation as well.
You have the follow-up hex into a follow-up shackle again.
And another good start for Yandex. Most of the time we see this team kind of dumpster in the laning stage.
When they're off to a good start, they know how to keep this pressure.
And to go back to Kez.
Kez is a hero, if not played with Battlefury. A lot of the times you will see him pop off relatively early on.
Took everything in my body not to cut you off at Kez as a hero.
He is a hero.
Daya's top top.
Stack at the 7 minute mark, made of the ancients, so that will be some of Batrider's way to
continue to accelerate that farm, especially with the way the top is going, he's having
a good time.
We saw that in the last Batrider game, we saw it just trying to recover and or boost
that farm to get into what was normally boots of bearing, but DM queued up right now is
the Blink Dagger, so a little bit of a different build coming from DM.
at least at the moment. So as tranquil as he could go back,
but we'll see what he wants to commit for.
That's what I always liked about DM is that he wasn't really
like too meta dependent. He was playing his stuff like he was
had playing his tight hunters with this year was not meta.
His necrophos from the off lane, his brew master when the heroes
were not most popular, Venomancer as well, of course, that's one
of his mains, but also itemization wise, like you'll always see him
try to cook something really good. And now he'll grab the
creep wave. Pathfinder as a hero doesn't care too much about getting blocked by shards.
Snowball is also not too effective and now dragging the creep wave.
X, Sunstrike shackles there and they get the kill on Anisha. It's rare to see but it happens
for Yandex this time around and they get the kill out of the storm.
It's also Sox's factor. It's insane how good of a player this guy is and how stable he
It was as soon as he joined the index this team power pretty much skyrocketed
Damn chased with thick aim toe
Here's is the veil dead shot connects and they will get this kill into the bat rider
So that you chase all the way into the jungle and get this connection
Shadow shop is gonna take the lane for himself. He's almost level six
He's gonna be moving in on having serpent words to drop
into this lane. Melody has to run. He's level 5 with the God's Rebuke.
That lands, Boxie shows up, these heroes are low. However, the Sun Strike, not on
True Junior at the moment, so not gonna drop it, or now it's finally picked up.
Drops it on Ace, but he had the Shadow Horde, so you could see Ace laughing.
He was like, that was close. He was down to 50. And we also saw the stats on
Shadow Shaman. Soxa, three games, didn't lose a single game. Very successful.
with his shadow shaman. Level six now as you said at nine minutes. So now he
could go pretty much anywhere on the map and grab a kill. Even storm spirit
needs to be careful. Sun strike, serpent wards, and an earliest meteor hammer
from Chura jr. Let's see if Soxha decides to drop the wards. They have a lot of
tower damage. Doesn't feel like they need to. Another meteor in a couple of
seconds with the force spirits. They can push it bottom. He can walk from here to
bottom, maybe pressure that lane and put that set of words there, but instead
Shackle Sunstrike Meteor Hammer down onto Boxy. Boxy looking like a nail
because Tier Junior just slammed the hammer on him. It's also not the easiest
in Murta game. Murta playing into a lot of control, a lot of magic damage, even one
Hex one shackle, but the most of the time it's gonna be invoker with his spells just dealing with where to plus
You also have we can be piercing tools the most important one being Batrider
Who's about to finish off his blink bagger after he farms this and he's gonna be ready to go?
We saw the invoker against the last martha we saw together today
And it was not really giving a chance for this martha to output any damage
and
With how far ahead the invoker is has this meteor hammer going into the aggs immediately
We're gonna see this cataclysm be a big part of the impact here for yandex and the pressure on the map is gonna be pretty
events especially with serpent wards available maybe socks and now with DM they get this kill they can take this and turn it into
Having themselves some strength actually gonna miss because you didn't get the shackles
They're from Hickett three three and there's not the arena's not to kill trouble. He should see here
They get the kill on 1, 2, and 3.
Liquid doing enough and now finding themselves in the cans.
Can they stop him from getting to the twinkie?
They can.
Little Perry trying to survive, but all five heroes
are here for Liquid.
They respond in numbers.
And they absolutely tsunami and overwhelm
Gendex in this bottom lane.
This is why I love Victory Feast as a facet.
It just does so much.
And Nichev also showing up in that fight.
Complete freedom in whatever he wants to do.
They get the initial kill, they get the second kill,
you get the extra burst of a heal, extra bit of damage,
it also saves Ace, we're gonna see that again.
This dead shot to stop the Shatter Shaman
from being able to get the shot.
Also, Sunstrike not to neck, if he doesn't get the arena,
I think this fight is completely different.
Now they found himself Zee and Voker,
and everything that was once started by Yandex
now completely turned around that dead shot landing again.
They will get the kill to Boxy, but this is Nisha,
this is the, he's turned it on.
And I feel like in so many of these games,
Once the light switch goes on, it does not go off.
It is locked into the on position,
and there is nothing they can do.
Level 11, six galvanized stack, extra three mana regen.
He also just finished off Kaia,
sitting at 12 mana regen per second.
That's gonna allow him to snowball,
and this is something that the Alexus coach
was also worried about,
if Nisha's gonna have too good of a game,
and so far he is on top of the network,
involved in four out of eight kills.
His game is completely rammed up
after that fight over bottom.
It wasn't exactly anything to write home about to start,
but he's kind of free once Shadow Shaman's used
his spell structure as well as the Bat Rider anywhere else.
So once you don't have that lasso shackle hex,
It's Storm's game.
And Isha is one of those guys, one of those players that's really gonna make you feel it.
DM, focus more on the farm right now. We can see total number of stacks.
Nine for the index, seven for Liquid.
But when you go for a Blig Dagger, you're gonna put yourself in a position where you wanna be getting the jump.
Like you wanna be aggressive, farming. Sure, it increases your farm by slightly, cause you can move faster through the map.
Jump between the camps to maybe get some stacks going as well, Nisha activates the shield rune.
Serpent Ward's world pushing top, the idea originally was to put them bottom, of course,
when they were trying to get the kill into the Mars, that didn't work out for them.
Sentry down and they back off the lane, but Nisha, you said it, he's got this shield rune, feels pretty
strong and just standing in the lane of farm. They had that Radovingtos picked up on this invoker
at a faster speed than normal and can he turn this early advantage for himself
into anything more because that Norworth's lead has slipped away and now
it favors a little bit liquid who are gonna look to make a move on the DF
he doesn't have an answer for the snowball and Nisha ball lightning
I also like that he's not using vortex just in case so he saves through him
gets the damage and then keeps it just in case there's going to be another target
that he needs to go for.
Something we haven't talked about yet, it's something we've talked about with like
Kaori and other Phoenixes, because they've been going hotspot but for
Maladich he's gone into the dying light.
Overall better in this one I would say, because he's going to be in the middle
They have good ways of defending the egg with you have it a mokerspells better at the last so everything from shadow shaman feels really good
And also
Just the damage I feel like this facet allows you to get more farm
You've seen like two different facets in action, but overall dying light feels overall much better spotlight is more
Of a specialty depending like what you're playing against so that you can keep the distance. It's also
So much worse for the laning stage because you don't have that extra bit of a damage.
Ob's here in the lane trying to get some vision, just to see a couple of these heroes.
He's enough where they don't want to defend the tier one tower top, at least initially
with those serpent words down.
They let the tower fall, boxy nearby with Warlock as well as the Martha, but they will
will not look to defend in any way and Sobs is going to use that moment to throw down
an OBS inside the river of that outside jungle area. Sobs, get some vision on those steps,
it's not the most vision covered in that spot, but it's across the dam.
Yeah. Soxie, in the trees waiting for someone to react to the catapult hitting over mid,
Maybe he's going to be maledict.
Nisha has that opportunity to just kind of ball lightning in and have that initial control.
He's very patient with that vortex like you were talking about.
They still are patient on making that move and it stays quiet for the last few minutes.
KK managing to recover is a pretty big deal. He was left alone after those two deaths, kind of back-to-back deaths
He had to walk from the base his TP was at cooldown
And I like that he's not going for Mjolnir instead
opting to go for more
Like keep the distance type of a build and I also have a save for myself
Snowball shards, but the April's die, Meledige
Shadow Warden, he does have a TP to try and attempt to get out of this one with Sunray out of the game.
And Chaotic Offering, he pulls it back in. Sunray and stops the TPs. He gets killed, thanks to the help of Tofu.
Can't leave the map when we drop the Chaotic Offering down.
So I'm just getting that early blink dagger and Scorpions isn't for the BKB, there is, of course, Lasso to try and counter that.
That's about it. Yeah, that's about to say, that's all you got.
If you can get the jump on Invoker or Shadow Shaman, these are going to be his primary targets as it been.
With a BKB, it does allow your two blink initiators to get the better jump.
And something that we saw in a game when Ace was playing against Mipo, I thought he was more related to Mipo.
He picked up the Shard of Mars this time. He also picked it up as his first item, which is a farming tool
So you don't have to spend both of your abilities to kill the creep wave
What's gonna be enough?
Double right clicks and still getting a good timing on that blink bagger
Define the illusion rune that Esha was trying to fill his bottle with
But still 10-7 DM
him continuing to focus on the farm and he'll also be going into his own BKB as he finishes
off the second lane of Woundsparing.
So it has been the first in the past, makes a little bit of a swap trying to play aggressive
earlier on but has slowed down into a little bit more of a farm approach both teams have.
That being said there is a smoke being broken by Soxa who will throw the hex onto the tusk
The first spear actually doesn't connect onto a tree, it'll hold the shackles, and this is seemingly stopping his inevitable death, as he won't be able to blink with the fatal bonds on him, at least initially, and then Nisha comes in and gets the kill.
buys a little bit more time for them to be fight ready. Ideally, you want to have this Invoker
finish off his Agadam scepter and maybe a BKB Unkez, but I don't think BKB Unkez
is going to be the item that
will be ready for the next fight. Needs another two components
And also they are tanking up on side of Liquid. Mech completed on Warlock
Plus you have victory fees fast, you get the kill, you get the mech, it's going to be a lot of damage.
It's going to be removed instantly. 30 seconds until Tormy.
Got this forge spirit up there, so Invoker able to get away from the gank that was coming from behind from the Twin Gate.
and more avoidance from both these teams.
Aghanim, Sifter, finished off with Chir, Jr., access to that cataclysm.
As they're all just trying to get to these next items.
I feel like both teams kind of feeling a similar power spike timing.
It's probably Watson's call to say whether he feels comfortable or not to get into this fight.
And very nice dodge. A lot of the times you will see cataclysm, maybe kill a hero, and also steal Tormentor,
especially if everybody is grouping around, which means that they are in position where these are going to be overlapping.
But with the ranged heroes, it's not as effective. And then you see Team Liquid's approach afterwards.
They group around base with the jump spear.
Jump on to the Phoenix. Easy killing them out.
Ajace is going to grab that one, grab himself about 280 gold.
While this is all kind of going on Warlock, I know he just got the shard, but he's also almost finishing these Guardian Greaves
He's pretty farmed overall
He's minus the shard at a 50 47 hundred net worth
So he's been doing a good job of getting around the map and finding the opening spots to really get some farm
Dust, Nisha finds Jirgir, but there's the tornado deafening blast that's avoided by Nisha
And they continue to get the control onto the Invoker.
Snowball, Walrus Punch, Essence Ring, trying to get some health as he'll see the attempt
output too much from Nisha and Boxy as they do get the Invoker again.
This is a big kill, and it seems like it was Watson's call to not go for the fight.
He wants to wait out Kev's BKB.
A lot of the times we'll see Deso being built on Templar Assassin, Deso and Kev's, but they
don't feel fight ready yet.
they are waiting for their second item, either a BKB or a Blink Dagger.
Depending on which hero we're talking about, DM, ready for the jump.
Clashing smokes, Maladar jumps to the side, Sunray on the Zeroes, Chaotic Offering,
but then immediately counter with the Supernova,
ball lightening in, Nisha doesn't have a lot of mana to work with,
the Supernova's about to explode, that's gonna stun off Nisha,
they're gonna kill an add tofu as well as aces to double kill for DM,
they've got the Chaotic Offering going down,
Watson maybe looking to follow it up on Nisha who's losing his BKB,
with the blink forward from Poxy,
Silence and Watson pops his own BKB,
they get the hex with the blink forward from Soxa,
that's gonna make it a third boxy
kind of blinking into no man's line.
Nisha with not a lot of mana needs to get back carefully,
be able to pull Lightning back up into the high ground
away from the C-index team,
who get themselves a victorious fight.
Caught a mid smoke and also BKB just got delivered
for Kez, Watson used the first nine second BKB,
grabs himself a deso charge and,
Let's see if they're thinking about maybe going into Rosh pit, but that's a bit of a risky move.
You don't have Shadow Shaman wards, you also don't have BKB Uncast, so they might need to wait it out.
Their teamfight is still super strong. As we saw, DM finally gets involved, gets stuff done with his
Blink Dagger, Lasso, Boots of Bering.
And you said that he is very far from the Moorlock.
Got the Shard from Roshan, but also just one item, one big item that's gonna be Guardian Greaves.
It seems like Liquid, they were also thinking, do they have enough in the Andex? Can they actually go for Rosh?
See if they make that decision. They're grouped up still by there.
Can they sneak their way in? Both supports kind of do the area for this Andex right inside.
And Yisha shows off mid, and pure Junior just kind of sitting waiting for this creep wave, still saving this tier one tower.
We'll throw down that meteor as he continues to sit top of the network.
He is really feeling the farm and he's going to be going into the big pavy to have a little bit more freedom himself and then a glating ear to have a bit more catch for this team.
Bigger AOE, but once you drop the meteor, it feels so satisfying going to invoke her.
Top lane, DM, just working on this wave to finish the DKB, but that's all the while
liquid in the roche pit.
Nobody in the area except Maladitch who could potentially make a dive forward.
This roche is getting quite low, is the timing going to be right?
It honestly might be, but he never makes the attempt.
He backed off before there was even really a thought about it.
They do end up getting this Aegis.
Kind of fake the hype that as I saw him walk forward in the last few seconds or so, but
now it is just backs away.
They give it that Aegis and it goes to this, Muerta.
Lot of BKVs at the same time for both these teams.
Winged.
Have the Hex.
Shackles.
Like Cataclysm with a supernova committed to the arena there.
We've dodged some of it, but Tofu's gonna end up dead.
They go to the wall, we're just much inside of the camps.
He's gonna be low.
Watson's trying to survive.
Braven's failed, parrying away.
Can he get away from Tofu?
No, the dead shot lands.
Soxa Watson, both dead.
Misha doesn't have a lot of mana,
but he had enough to get the control
and get the kill under the Shatter Shaman.
They were not ready for that fight.
No serpent ward drop.
Church Jr. was pushing the top lane.
DM was showing in the mid lane,
given though Church Jr. did some damage.
He was not present.
We'll try to push this tower, try to delay as much as possible.
Still their combo is insanely good.
If they're the ones getting the jump, if they're the ones initiating with Shadow Shaman,
with Batrider, it's gonna be a setup for Invoker spells.
It does feel like Nikkei just finished off one big item, which is Hurricane Plex, suddenly
he has Shadow Blade on top of that.
It's gonna be a harder kill to get the longer this game goes and he's trying to get into both a Mjolnir and his Silver Edge.
Really big fan of his item build, not the option to go for that Mjolnir because it's such a big increase.
It's an extra 2.5k gold, but you're still dealing damage and one of the reasons why he did not die ever since those two deaths in the laning stage.
the landing stage so basically over all
I'm still beating up the kids who we did just see die on that where shard for
boxy being purchased rare that you see the tusk shard purchase full outright
like that of a Kalei action
A bit of packet loss.
Shard on Tusk is the only shard that amplifies shards.
Very important to know.
But yeah, good shard to push out the waves and also much more difficult for Invoker who's
stuck in Shadow Shaman.
It cancels the Blink Vaggers as well dealing the damage.
Good for pushing.
We'll see if the idea ends up bearing fruit.
39 to 61% on the Dota plus win probability.
A lot of time to work with this Aegis.
So what's the game plan for Moequod?
On the next three minutes.
They wanna close out these two towers.
There's also tier one tower in the top lane
and someone strong on a minimap as we're talking
that this needs to be done.
They feel very strong right now.
They have a lot of,
A lot of heal coming out as long as they get to kill inside of the arena.
This has to be probably my favorite combo with Werther, something that can hold them
in place and what better spell than the arena and then you also get extra bit of a heal
once you get to kill.
If you're using this moment to try and get rid of all these outer towers, are you trying
to fight the Aegis?
Do you think they have the power to do so?
It's not an Aegis on the storm.
It's an Aegis on Werther.
So you do have that ability to maybe if you catch him while he's in the pierce the veil
Which we've seen be done to a martha from invoker
Or they as afraid as if this ages was on store
I think they wanted to siege their two towers
Which would allow martha to beat a front line and then rest of the team is sitting behind her Mickey hidden in the shadow blade
Lasso Sun strike easy kill on a tofu no reaction initially from Mickey
But now the blink into the hex, the couple turn around with the wall as much as the snowball.
Supernova, the Serpent Wars are there.
Hurricane Pipe pushes him up out of the high ground. Here's the veil, gets the kill, and sucks on him.
That stuns up, this where it gets back into the Shadow Blade.
Nisha there with the BKD that's going to run out.
Now, ooh, Sentry's there. The catch. It's available.
They need to get some sort of a response. They're going to have the bars over.
He only has 800 health. Meteor Hammer slams down. That's on the right timing.
Ace comes in, but there's the arena.
He only has 700 health when he joined in.
Ace is gonna die and Nisha can't come back in
because he does not have his BKB.
And that is a big win for Yandex.
Mood.
They were not on the same page.
And this time around, they get the first initial jump.
This is what this lineup is supposed to do.
Initiate with Shadow Shaman, initiate with Blink Lasso.
They pick off Warlock immediately.
So the counter initiation is not gonna be there.
And then the fight is much easier.
Nisha was in the top lane at first
because he TP'd and did not have TP available, and very good Phoenix Sec right on top.
But she's gonna stun more to there for a second or two.
They lost vision for a second, but then again, he walks into the vision, he dies once.
Mars is gonna come in, look at his health at this point.
780 health.
And then Arena, it lands onto three of them, but the spear...
Bit of a mis-usage of the spells.
Getting the bad ones out of the system.
Yeah, definitely trying to get the bad ones out,
have the good ones ready and loaded for post-pause.
We're dropping some packets.
I still don't understand the concept of a packet,
But they're lost and that's why we're pause.
You're looking at me like I should have this answer.
You're like, how do you not know what packets are?
All right, crook of genius over there. Explain.
Should I explain?
Yeah, what's a packet?
It's not my field of expertise.
Oh, all right.
I know when it says lost in and out, it's time to.
Did you pause the game?
Pause the game.
I never get to start your routers and this.
get that good for you very happy for you you don't sound genuinely happy now I
usually have stable connection but yeah we'll see what's gonna happen whether
they're gonna be having you know some packet losses as you said and the team
liquid losing a big team fight allowing Yandex to get their spells to get their
initiation going or disconnects. What's the next five minutes look like for
Yandex? If you had to guess with where they're at, they just win this fight, they
ticket the Aegis, Roche is in out for another four minutes. What's the game
for them leading to next Roche? I think go for the pick offs. Their pick off game
is super strong. You drop down, shadow shaman awards. You always have that
cataclysm ready so you can kind of kill every single hero on the map unless
liquid is playing with Boxy behind. We'll see if that's going to happen but you also have the
track back from Batrider who is going for She-Was-Guard. Not the item that you usually see on
Batrider but we also talked about the amount of heals that they do have which is pretty good.
Very good for a vision game. Slowing down where the Storm Spirit also deals good amount of right
click damage. Slowing him down feels really good. This whole area covered by liquids observe awards.
Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, this is this century
I thought Mickey cuz he felt pretty comfortable coming into the fight with that shadow blade
Seeing that they have a obstincent tree and another office on the other side
Didn't quite feel
Safe enough afterwards because he got caught
It's just that century slightly out. It sucks of cataclysm jumping in now that snowball though avoid it
Snowball connects, chaotic off-brings there.
Gidget is in a little bit of harm's way,
and ain't that chaotic off-bring possibly KV,
Sox is still alive.
Finally gets ball-aiding back on,
as Nisha gets that kill on the Sox,
although finding Sox tofu to support's dead on Liquid.
Flamebreak Nisha is in some trouble.
He does not have a lot of mana,
but Ace try to follow it up.
The spear comes in with the arena,
but that's not gonna be enough.
They've got the silence.
Ace holding that arena, holding that moment,
Where now well they went to the Ravens veil and Watson's gonna try and chase ace
grappling claw BKB
Orina available and they might be able to chase through this BKB all the way to the high ground
They're not letting him get that blink out so Sunray's on him ace is dead
And that's four heroes gone on liquid on a fight that just does not go their way at all
It really doesn't boxy. He had a good idea. Oh, right junior. Just gonna be a full white
Hurricane Pike forward, here's the Veil, flamethrower lands, dead shot now, deafening Blast, can't right-click back at Tier Junior. Meteor Hammer connects, Han of the Moira is trying to just output any damage he can and now has some help for the TUS to get the kill on a DM.
Foxy coming back in after respawning, it's a long walk from the tier 2s and the outpost to get back into the fight, but they do so with success.
Juju and your safe start on Ghost Wall.
And now, they're gonna dust him up. Can they get the kill on the Invoker?
The snowball is gonna connect, but the instant axe coming through from Soxa, pushing him back with the Psychic Ant.
Nobons is onto the invoker, but they just don't have the follow-ups get these kills.
Kez not even coming to the bottom lane to try and maybe even turn this into a couple kills for themselves.
They have let DM die, they'll escape in the bottom lane, and now the Twin Gate 4 Liquid gives you the other side.
Still got to respect Morta's damage. You leave her alone.
Oh, he already got his shard, it's all good. He got it first. No Guardian Greaves ready.
Not sure if the essence ring was also popped.
Sacrifice for the greater good, Nisha says thank you.
Why not get the shard for Storm?
He wants that agonist center, he wants that AoE control.
Hoping that it can make a massive difference in these fights.
Something we talked about many times, when you have someone who jumps in first,
Let's say you land 2-3 vent warthogs, it's a setup for your arena and then where it can deal the damage.
What's all the damage that he could do?
You have a little bit more control in these fights.
It's a scary proposition for Yandex. Serpent Ward's committed for that.
Maybe a little bit unnecessary.
necessary
Put the pressure on the map get it done get some extra gold
And disc for ace
Not your normal earlier item for a Mars
Doesn't want to die from hundred to zero. It's great against hex
Great against initiation from Batrider, so if he's the one getting jumped you're still gonna have arena ready
Good thinking for Mace.
Now they're choking for double supernova.
They've had trouble breaking this egg.
I don't think they've killed it once.
And now having the option soon to go into double egg territory, they have insane protection
for the egg.
Everything from Invoker, even if you just stand there in the meteor, EMP, definite last
First of course, these are one of the better ones, and Tornado.
Plus you have Shadow Shaman, you have BKB Reversive Tool, from Batrider, Butterfly.
This item is what Kez wants to buy, this is his, like, second slash third item.
Hex in the chicken finger is Shackle, and the Sunstrike, popping that Alandis for now
a BKB TP from the Mars.
No Batrider close by, means he's going to be keeping out.
Game did slow down a little bit, both of the teams, they don't want to risk you much and
you said Roshan is available, early respawn.
Gem on D should have seen the vision that they're putting down.
They want to see Distant Voker, he's been painting the asterisk throughout the whole
game.
Very slippery.
Jera Junior in Gauss Walk
Smoke from the index look good where grouped up in their own triangle
See if they can find them they're drawn on the map to go to the triangle get this long wrap around eggs finished for case
He had I have Scotty queued up before but now he's gonna be going eggs into the satan
KB, where to have a little bit more survivability.
Callin' Marty, here comes KB, here's gonna be dropped down, now they're goin' raptor dance.
Snowball's on a wance in, and now they'll find the last, so they catch Mickey and get the kill, and they're where to immediately.
Sunray on top of the bars, tofu dead, four heroes gone, Nisha gets away, but this is right by the base, right by a tier three tower.
And Liquid with no buybacks, I think they're going for tier fours, they have Meteor, they have Shadow Shaman wards,
If they have a reed that Wurtha doesn't have buyback,
bustle, acrid, ESO, all the damage is in.
They do have enough to potentially close it out.
These are long 50 seconds.
Nisha hookers going back out of the creep blade,
trying to catch Nisha, but he kills the creep just in time.
Two creeps are alive.
These are long 40 seconds without their damage dealer.
Buyback are coming in.
Throne's exposed.
The index trying to finish right here right now.
They find the Tuts, they've got the Jackals, the Ravensville, they got it! They just get it!
They don't have anybody standing their way!
Gandex, one fight right by the tier three and they finish the game right there.
Yeah, seems like they also didn't kind of expect this to happen because the game ended so quickly
and it just exploded. Everybody exploded. CJ on Invoker.
I think they might need to address this problem, especially with the Shadow Shaman plus Invoker
combo, landing these sun strikes, getting the kill, getting the snowball that he needed on this invoker.
Really well done by Andex, and let's set it over to the panel.
There are no breaks on the Andex train, it is now officially a runaway success.
Chew Chew, nothing can be done.
Hey, Josh was doing a lot of good things, right? Like, even in the early game, they had a very good
laning stage. I was, you know, maybe not sus, but I would say, you know, this weren't there was a
bad matchup it's not the good the M had a good lane then some other stuff happened but you know
in the mid game they kind of bring it back and CJ on the invoker he really stomped this game
Benkins. Agreed I thought he had like such an insane performance it was um reminiscent of that
movie uh Harry Potter no uh Kung Fu Panda he was reminded me like Master Shifu. Yeah I mean
I mean, definitely, I think if Master Shifu was in Dota, you'd probably ban out his specialty hero, but he's very specialized.
CJ has 2,000 games on Invoker. We've seen it in other series against Muerta.
To me, it's like looking unplayable. I legitimately think like you just do too much damage.
Even a simple Cataclysm plus stun will kill Muerta. Even if she BKB, she's like 10, 20% HP.
And you can DKB use the ulti like that's enough HP threshold that she can have died this passenger play is so sad
I mean, it's like also everything like I think overall like if you looked at the end
I thought I like from this team also
I think even when they make some mistakes a hero there
I think they have a lot of like clutch team fights like I think that this is also one of them
Like I think that Watson on the cats has looked very good
We've seen a lot of carry cases with like not look that great
But I think you can really tell that like he's very familiar on the hero
It kind of reminds me of the movie Kung Fu Panda 2, you have Howard Shen, he's like the main antagonist, you know, like the peacock, I think he's really owning.
Easy with the spoilers, I haven't watched it yet.
We'll get there tonight.
Yeah, yeah, it's nice.
You just watched the first one.
Moving on, yeah.
It's a cool character, you'll see why.
Yeah, okay, I'll look forward to appreciating that reference.
Yeah, and just like the dragon scroll, I feel like if Liquid go back to the drawing board on the draft, it might be empty.
because I honestly feel like these guys, they just played better in this game.
Jira Junior, CJ, our boy, you got to be careful.
I'm hoping there are tickets left for the Yandex train because I wasn't on it,
but after watching this against Liquid...
It's a runaway, I'm afraid.
Man!
You can't touch it, there's no break.
This is Nisha he's playing in.
Yeah, I mean...
Everyone's scared of this guy, right?
That's what I mean. We spent like all of the, you know, pre-game building up, like, this is Nisha.
You're going up against the best mid in the world right now.
Someone who's grinding form, can't stop you, can't stop you,
can't ban out his heroes, he can play anything.
And CJ just put on a clinic with Invoker, it's actually incredible.
I mean, it is his best hero, and I think it shows why.
I think also, you know, you have Soxa on the shaman,
you have DM on the bat, they're setting up all these kills,
but I think most importantly, it's like this mid game,
and I think also this security.
Like when you have this Invoker, you talk about the matchup,
like Morta and Invoker looks close to,
I don't like using the word unplayable,
But it looks rough, Mr. Jenkins.
There were some points, it looked okay.
We've talked a lot about the Victory Feast,
Passive on Mars, in this situation you feel.
Oh, the healing.
Look at the healing.
Like in some fights, it does look really good.
Like to be fair, this was when Liquid was losing
and they had to do some like crazy comeback play here.
So I will say, yesterday series,
it was the same thing from Liquid
where Game 1, they got completely stomped.
And then the next two games, they stopped.
So I don't doubt their ability to turn it around.
I think a lot of it does go back to drafting.
I also think that they're like spirit,
where they're very able to identify
with the key points that went wrong in the game
and then adjust that between games.
Yeah, we have another fight to look at it, 26 minutes.
So I'll let you talk to this one, Kasim.
Yeah, because you're talking about key points, Mr. Andrew.
And at this point, like liquid, they're doing pretty good, right?
Like, you have the ages on the Murata, but I think that here,
you have Yanix who took a really nice fight.
I think this Egg on the high ground was super good. You can also see like it gets Mickey, you know
Like the egg stun it still hits him, but there was a world where liquid
I think they could have disengaged like when Mickey gets into the shadow blade without being dusted
He could have actually like ran away and just had like a clean fight
I think you know he sticks around you have Yanix like from this fight onwards
We've seen it before like Kez with alacrity and you know the cataclysm like with the bat rather than everything that they just scale
So well so liquid while you know you need to pay attention to like the draft
I think also like mid-game and when you have ages those moves they need to be more clean from them as well
Yeah, I mean obviously we can talk a little bit about the execution
I like was was running in liquid fail to do this game that they usually do I
Don't I don't know if liquid played that bad. I mean, I don't think they played poorly that
Fight that you showed definitely was a mistake, but you can make a couple of mistakes in a game and it's okay
It's just that Yandex is playing very well, so it's like if you give them an opening right now
They will just take it to you. I guess and I want to say Watson. He looked like
Niku how he plays yes, I guess we're he's going in he's pairing he's getting a little bit of damage on a hero
He's not over committing. He's getting out. He's jumping in again
It's like there's a lot of in-and-out happening on Kaz and I know the win rate of the hero does not look good
But I really feel like if people play it this way and people are watching the replays of the good cases and copying them,
not even how to press the abilities, because I get the abilities are confusing, there's a ton of them, right?
It's just the nature of the hero has to change.
Instead of fully committing and doing damage, you're like in and out type hero, like tiny, you're looking for the right jumps,
waiting for people to show themselves, stuff like that.
It's also, you can just tell, I would say, by watching that, he is comfortable, because like you're saying, you're not really seeing like this,
There's an overstep, it's like a nice balance of going in, using some spells, he grapples out, like Ravens where he can come back in, gets a good silence.
So I think overall, you're seeing a small, I would say, increase of the skill level, and Watson, he's definitely got it on his hero.
Alright, thanks guys. Time for a break. So after one game, Liquid find themselves in deep water. We'll see if they can come back after this break.
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Nisha who is going to rank all
of the Mids in the event. You
can vote for yourself. That's
okay. Let's start things off
with number five. Who is the
5 is hard. Can I start from 1?
No, you can't start from the beginning. The audience needs to grow. The audience needs to grow in expectation.
No, I need to think what's 1, 2, and 3.
You don't have to do that first. You can start with 5 and we'll make our way there.
I don't know how many slots I have. Okay.
You have 5. You have 5 slots. Okay, okay. I'll go Chira Junior.
Okay, who? Chira Junior. Oh, Chira Junior, number 5. Okay, Coco, Yandex, you know?
You know, Slardar, you know?
Slandking, yes, yes, fuck.
Melee?
Oh, OK, another fuck guy.
Five is fine.
How about number four?
I don't know.
Wait, I need to count the slots.
This guy's one.
This guy's two.
OK, spoilers, don't say.
Yes.
Well, let's go Niku.
Niku!
Niku.
Can you talk about that one?
That's an interesting pick there.
He's very good, very young.
Kazz, which is irrespectable. Very high rank.
Good explanation. Okay, number three.
Let's do maybe Laurel.
Laurel, team spirit.
He's had a break. He's locked in. He came back. He's owning. It's good. His spirit is back.
Number two, since we all know you're going to put yourself at one, absolutely egotist here, but who's number two?
Okay, let's do BZM.
BZM!
Okay, is that a...
Acceptable, acceptable player.
Acceptable?
Is that like a friend?
Like, one trick, one trick on the invoker.
Oh, okay, okay.
But for invoker, I'll put him here.
Ha ha! Invoker's that good.
Alright, number one.
And you can choose yourself.
One is Tai Lung.
Tai Lung, really?
Yup, yup.
Eh...
Yeah, that's it.
He plays Viper, yeah.
Yeah, I'm aware of the heroes, thank you.
But why him?
Personality, skill?
Eh, yeah, new player, and he's on you.
I guess that's it.
I gotta say, my heart is actually growing a lot.
It's like one of the best myths in the world.
I'm sorry to tell you this, but most people voted for you as number one.
I mean, I didn't make it here.
I'm not kidding.
I'm like, you're a junior, gotcha.
What can you do?
But it's nice for you to have so many new blood and talent and skilled guys.
Also, BZM is on there in Laurel, but there's so many new guys here.
Why is that?
Do you think that they're going to one day surpass the heights of you one day?
They do, one day.
But yeah, probably.
Okay.
Alright, well, to the future of Dota 2 players coming from the best mid of the world, Nisha, thank you for your time.
So, Nisha there putting CJ at 5, I wonder after that first game if he's going to revise that ranking.
And I have to upgrade him a little bit.
Yeah, I think he probably jumps up a place or two after his Invoker.
Well, he did say CJ on Invoker, and I said BZM on him.
Yeah, he didn't realize that he can play Invoker.
Yeah, he didn't, the guy that had 2000 Invoker games, yeah, that's right.
Sometimes you forget.
Yeah, it's easy, it's easy done.
Obviously now we have to see if Team Liquid can do what they pretty much done all through
this Valahia, which is, you know, if they drop a game, they just pivot, pull out some
crazy stuff and then win the next two that's been pretty much how they've
operated when times are tough but I gotta say I do I just love what Yandex
are playing right now it's just completely fearless. I mean no absolutely
and I think that Liquid obviously they can do it like we've seen it before you
know they're very good even in this game it was a very close game it wasn't like
a one-sided affair it was chill it was good to watch you know it wasn't a
stomp like one way or the other so I'm just expecting a close second game
We'll see some of the adjustments. I still think like this bad writer even though we saw you know
It fell earlier in the hands of collabs. Maybe didn't look as amazing. It was a huge problem in this game
It was but you know what I there's this is right to me of a saying that we say in Canada, which is never
doubt team liquid and also very real saying and also watch hung fruit panda, too
Yeah, I mean this team and this tournament alone. We have
have seen them pivot between games. I think just in general, no matter what tournament
it is, Liquid is one of the more resilient teams of all time. I would say the most, but
Team Spirit's also in the conversation there with the, you know, two TI wins, but the supporting
staff of Liquid, I think, and like the core of Liquid remains the same from when they have
done this in, you know, TI caliber tournaments, including TI when they won.
I think it's also like if you're liquid you need to look at like CJ overall of course his invoker
It was super good in the last game and he has many other good heroes
I don't know if they're maybe as good as the invoker, but if I look at CJ it reminds me a bit
Have you guys seen Dragon Ball?
Yeah, there's a hyperbolic time chamber if you train for one day in there
It's it equals to like one year of actual time. You're like super push-ups exactly
So if I'm looking at...
That's not what happens when I eat carbs.
One carb equals a thousand.
And that's why, that's what happens.
I don't think that's why.
There's a different problem.
That's it.
We'll talk about that after we're done.
Like, you know, my boy CJ, if I look at his improvement,
you know, he's got something magical about him, Jenkins.
Yeah, I think sometimes there are minor things
that you're lacking in different stages of the game.
major? I mean okay I'm gonna be smiling at me here but you said this to me when
we were sitting in our group call with BSJ himself and I was saying I want to
climb MMR. You told me that there's probably very small things that you're
doing. You think there's a lot of mistakes that you're making to make you
like bad at Dota and you have to improve so much to gain a bunch of MMR but the
The truth is, in Dota, that's not how it is.
There's very small things that you're screwing up
that have a profound impact in the game
that you can change that will improve your MMR a lot.
And I think, like, Lornoff talked about it at Dream League,
how he basically worked on his laning.
He worked on, like, if he is a strong hero
and he's supposed to have an advantage,
just standing in the right spot
where you can hit the guy when he comes up to lane.
Something as simple as that.
And when you watch it happening, literally nothing is happening in the game because good players, they see that you're positioned like that and they respect it, but it means they get less CS.
And because they get less CS, you have more network than them because you have more network than them, you can gank when they can't. You snowball the entire game from this.
And I feel like that's what CJ has improved on, is like something minor like that.
My gut says a lot of people have improved their laning generally.
general absolutely and like it just is a trend for a lot of Dota players right now maybe based on
you know laning against people like Nisha so many times in these tournaments you kind of have to
up your game you have to you're going to keep losing to these guys and you can't do that I think
it's fully true like because also when you like the easy analogy in a way would be people always
look for like the big team fight and the big play but the big fight or the big kill in a lane it
doesn't just happen because you force it it's like all the 100 small things that you did over the
the last like two minutes to three minutes and like that all leads up to like this one
play and I think that's like what makes like the top level of Dota I would say so interesting
because if you truly pay attention there's so many small things to like appreciate that
the top players and the top teams do that ultimately lead to like entertaining games
and entertaining teamfights.
You gotta go watch the player perspectives you really do because otherwise you miss stuff
like you know Nisha cutting creep waves with Courier and that's a pretty big detail.
But even, you know, standing a little bit closer to a rune as it's spawning as a support so you can like hit a stun from out of vision, standing behind the right tree, all of these things matter a lot.
And speaking of supports, both, these are very normal vanilla heroes, but nobody wants to reveal anything about the draft so far.
Well, I think the, I think the index coach was saying, you know, you need to ban the jacarral out if you want to beat us or whatever, and they've got the jacarral now.
Well, Liquid didn't listen to that one, huh?
Yeah, no.
So giving that one up to Mr. Maladith, at least...
They did not keep it up.
They did not.
And then Game 1, they didn't keep it up either.
And if they want to win Game 2, they definitely need to keep it up.
Coaches will say things like that, though.
You know, it's...
Jekiro is...
Maladith is very good at Jekiro.
And I think...
Going back to the very minute details that matter a lot in Dota,
part of the reason why his Jekiro is so strong is because he buys a Quelling Blade.
and he will put wards down that you can't de-word.
And so because you can't de-word him,
he is free to just bull.
He can do that easier because he's also cutting the trees
that as a position four, you're gonna stand in.
And he turns that into a lane advantage for Watson,
who's also playing at a peak right now.
Watson dominates the lane and is able to stay on his own.
And then Malady will go through the portal
and make good rotations.
So it's like all of these things snowball
from such small details.
And I'm not sure if Dota has always been like this, or for instance like a really cool face
of Dota where people are so good, you have to pull out these small tricks that have a
big amount of impact to get an advantage.
I think it's definitely true.
I think the plays have always existed, but the better people get, the more you need to
rely on something new or something small to create your opportunity.
I think maybe it's like harder and harder, you know, that people like get better all
all the time to make those things happen.
But just to go purely into matchups,
I would say Estee is one of the better fours
when it comes to laning against Jekiro.
The disruption actually super hurts him
because he just beats himself in the head
and Jekiro obviously hits himself quite hard.
Now, when you look at Puck, overall, good Jekiro.
We've seen it before, so I wouldn't be too surprised
if we see Liquid look for one of their answers already.
What spirit is the one that we're seeing a lot
in this tournament?
I like Void's for it a lot.
Some teams have shown us Slardar a little more
than others, that's something I can see.
Also, I like that the fact that they banned out the Ursa,
like the Ursa is out, Watson has used it a lot,
same with the TA, which also generally helps Ace
with his type of hero pool, like whether it's an underlord
or a tie that is more protected later down the line.
But there's the voice for it that you mentioned.
Just solid, it's good.
We've seen it many times,
GpK showed in the last series were great.
There's a little bit of lacking of damage
between these two heroes.
So, perhaps that can be solved with another four position or five position.
Tofu, Murano, at least it gets you the support duo with the SD.
I personally am not the biggest believer, but it can work.
And Tofu is still, like I want to say, you know, he swapped from four to five.
I don't think he has like the complete position five pool yet,
just because he hasn't played it for like, you know, as long as some others.
But they're going to be very basic with the Warlock.
He's dopamine minimizing in the game.
Yeah.
Here's a question for you.
Obviously, the bat was taken out,
and yet Yanbets still banned the Oracle,
even though we've only really seen the Oracle as an answer
to the bat.
That's a very good point.
Why is that?
No, I'm not sure I can tell it to you,
because maybe it's just overall not just like,
I think bat brought the hero back on people's minds,
but maybe now it's like, oh, this hero exists
like other games and I mean TOEFL has played it and maybe it also goes back to the point I was
making earlier where I think his post five pull is a bit more like weird in a way you know he
plays the Marana that other people don't he was the first one to bust out the Oracle when other
people don't so I think it might just be player comfort. Yeah and I guess another thing is the
mid-matchup is I mean we talked about this previously when it was Void versus Puck there's
a lot of value on like who gets the runes if Void can you know have that information from Oracle
where the runes are gonna spawn and he takes the runes and gets out advantage on Puck.
Puck looks very pathetic in the game.
And I also think that Liquid has a lot of heroes for Mickey that would come out on 18
that are really good with Oracle. For example, they would do Oracle Monkey King and that shit is
bonkers. That's true. Let me see what else. Because if I look at the two supports, I think
Centaur is quite good. I like a lot of the mealy offline guys that build Auras. I think they're
a very nice against the Warlock.
For Yandex?
Yeah, exactly.
And against the SD.
And then, I mean, if I'm looking at the Liquid,
I guess they still get so, yeah, there's the center.
I don't think there should be too surprised.
When you have SD Warlock, it's just overall a very good hero.
I think similarly for Yandex, having Tusk against SD
is quite nice.
It's very hard to save against SD
because the old purge is everything but snowball.
You're still chilling.
You're still happy.
I wonder if they would still Monkey King even without having
some Oracle or Combo in the lane. Very good against Centaur in lane. Hypothetically, I mean...
I'm surprised that they haven't gone for the boxy a few picks back because it was available, right?
To go for which hero? Sorry, for the boxy, you take Marci.
No, I mean, I guess they just kind of locked it in like earlier, right? Like with the
SD and the Warlock. Maybe there's also like different... We never know what they really
talk about like between this series as well. You know, maybe there's something else that they value,
Like against this team, but I think that the DK fits don't think they haven't lost without you
They absolutely have not I mean, it's terrifying when this guy gets his head looks good
Maybe they just don't think it works as an opening against yandex based on what has to be banned
Or what has to be picked to block them from taking it between these like other supports of warlock in the in the SD
So we could very well see it in a in another series where liquid brings it back out and it just didn't work against yandex's
hero pool. This is a very scary DK pick, like for Yandex, like first of all you're
super high physical damage hero, which is something that Centaur absolutely hates.
You now have two guys to jump, you can also, you have a blink stun against the
puck. You can't build orchid, so I think that this was probably the best pick that
Liquid had available here, like on 18. They need to pick out of phase, and it's
also, I like the bands already, like I mentioned it before, but now with the
Razor as well. I think when you're looking at Ace's Hero Pool, I think Tide,
Underlord is very good. Like just locking people down, even maybe like running back
on Mars, I think would make a lot of sense. You're playing against Empiid, they're
gonna be saved by a snowball. Like Underlord, Tide, Mars are probably the
three best ones, so if you see some of them banned out, it just makes sense.
Mars plus Warlock too, come on, that's a wombo combo. Like unless you, because then
it's also on Yannick's, like you have to counter pick, you understand? Okay, if we
leave this what's and what do you want what's your kind of pick are you happy
with that and you like you kind of play around with like you know who who do you
care about the least because then if you want Mars maybe you then you band the
kez if you're liquid maybe if you want something else you have to stop it up
again they want Mars so yeah then it's probably bad and then maybe so if you're
yannix you need to think okay so if they pick Mars what's our response if they
pick tied what's our response to this and then you decide between the two because
think they both make a lot of sense. I don't know if Ace has been cooking, you know, if
he's cooking, been cooking anything new that he hasn't really shown us before?
He's not traditionally that type of player. That's true. You see his hero pool in a tournament
and it just kind of always stays the same. It has gotten to be a bigger hero pool. I
would be very impressed if that was something that like Liquid could change in Ace that
that he can learn within a tournament.
Okay, yeah, that would have been really good.
Yeah, I just think that makes the most sense.
I mean, I think Tide is the one that's left.
Yeah, I think so too.
I mean, they don't have so much reserve time.
I just think it's overall solid.
A lot of like the anti-Mili carries are out
or at least the worst ones, you know, the Ursa, the Razor.
And then you can farm stacks with the SD stacking.
Yeah, you have the anchor against Stempied,
which is super annoying for Centaur.
You don't really die to these heroes.
You can also, I mean, there's Vrissal as well, but I agree with you that I would be looking for some sort of stun.
Yeah. I did think this made the most sense, but also, like Yandex, you have to ban two of the three, the third one goes through.
So now it's just important what we're Yandex, like, thinking about. If you look at DK and Tide, I think heroes that build Silver Edge or have really high DPS is what needs to come to mind,
because Centra Pak, they have a lot of control, but you don't have like the highest amount of damage yet.
Let's see what he can cook.
Yeah, a Silver Edge buyer is so good here.
Muerta is still available after all of this.
I mean, Muerta against Estee is a little sus because she really needs like Hurricane Pike and, you know, saving items and Estee can purge all of that.
And you also get Muerta illusions that can hit her through the ethereal form.
And we talked about it yesterday as well, you know, that just preferred the ranged and seems to have more success with them.
Yeah, incredibly good ranged player.
There's SD against Windranger, so that's bad.
Then I think I would also just go back to the Muerta, at least for now. What else is there?
He actually hasn't played Muerta in this tournament though.
I know he plays it. He's good on it.
He does play it, but for some reason...
The Drow!
Then Muerta still does. Okay, it was something that dabbled through my mind, but then still it's like...
Tidus fine against you. I mean you can build silver edge you build Manta, which is okay
You can build different items, but SD traditionally has been a very good hero against Luna and well it's still the same case
I mean you have Park to deal with some of the supports, but I
Like the annexes draft in the last game or it was like even in a way, but this time around
I think liquid they are they should be quite happy with what they have here
Definitely and just on the lunar as well. Is it still the moon shield for now? It's the shield
Yeah, and I on that. It's interesting because we've
We've seen Luke the lunar plays in this tournament. We've been leaning more towards that as the tournament's gone on
Damage reduction right now is
Incredibly good. Yes, so much hyper burst damage in the late game like
30% is a lot. I
I wonder if there's a bit of like the Luna because I mean what gets forgotten
You know she has the night vision later like maybe that's also like so you can see the supports easier like you help
Your puck in a way that he has a better game and like your centaur as well
I will say overall like I've seen tight
I've played tight in these like matchups and these scenarios and I think he set up for a very good game also the supporting cast
He has around him is quite good
But you know it's you're later into the tournament anything can win if they pull out the gameplay
But I would lean liquid this time. All right. Well, let's go over the socks. He's with blitz
Absolutely. Yep. We are here with the blitz dota. Oh, thank you so much blitz. Yes. Uh
your first game
Today low rough. Well, is that the team's performance was at the draft. What do you think?
I think we are just in this like weird thing where we like lose every game one and it just like
Slaps us and wakes us up because I think we felt like things were kind of okay
But I think we kind of came in a little bit like low on energy probably and just I think sometimes we just need to lose a game to
Like wake up and it was like okay because yesterday
I mean we got smashers hard as I ever seen like 40 to 4 something I thought so is what it is
Is what it is. All right
I did want to ask you a little bit about the idea of stealing other
teams picks we do see the insta picking
I think it's pretty cool. Um, I think it takes a lot of balls to just like huck like this. Uh, I think they are probably really afraid of it because we're on first pick. So then it's like 18 pick is a little bit sweaty for them. Um, they probably don't. If we like 18 pick puck, Tiny's already banned. We've been like Huskar and then all of a sudden this
because we're on first pick so then it's like 18 pick is a little bit sweaty for them
they probably don't if we like 18 pick puck tiny's already banned we've been like huskar and then
all of a sudden this guy probably doesn't have a lot of heroes because he wants to play like a
spirit or invoker or something like that so then it gets a lot worse so they're probably just
thinking like they're trying to think like one extra step ahead why why why didn't you pick
loan druid
here's is bad
last question for you then if you were having a good interview with a good
interviewer what would they ask you about your cool draft
uh...
i don't know i the draft looks kinda it's like a very boring draft from both
teams if i'm honest so you could just ask about like anything else
that's really cool alright well too bad he couldn't think of anything because
You're already talking to the best interviewer in the scene, baby. Give it. Oh, wow. I thought you're going for a hug
Well, you heard it here from blitz soda takes balls to puck and we will see if they've got the balls to puck all night
Let's get in the game
Really is the best interviews I've ever seen every time I know I give the same compliment
I feel like every interview just one ups the last
and now an ending with a nice hug.
I don't even know what to say.
Nisha, I can say that Nisha got all four CS in this mid lane, playing against Chara Jr.
It is Void Spirit's favorite matchup, and they talked about this puck being picked early on.
We'll see if it pays off, and they also managed to squeeze in a Dragonite,
a hero that Puck doesn't really like to play into, and it's also very good against Centaur.
So you have Dragonite, you have Ravage, you also have Dead in the Watersharp, which is going to be very effective against Centaur.
So a lot of things going liquid way, I would say, supports don't have too much aggressiveness to play with,
but Void Spirit, Dragonite, they fix those issues.
And something to point out, we've seen two Fairy Fires on the supports.
We've seen three Fairy Fires on Jakiro, but what about the fourth Fairy Fire on Malavage that is in the backpack right now?
That that is a lot of extra storage and also shipping out of south
Wanting to be hitting as hard as he can with all those fairy fires does he slot this in yes?
He does he slots that fourth fairy fire. It's in there eight extra damage
Which makes it 16 damage into Kuro because he does have double hit
These six slaughtered at this point. Why not just throw the blood grenade by another fairy fire?
At one point you got to stop
When is, when is too many, too many on Fairy Fires?
I thought 3 is just enough.
That seems like we can play with the 4th one as well.
Oh, it wasn't even.
It had to be 2 for each head.
And that's where we get the damage from, but the damage coming in from the Siding Index
is from Soxa with a little bit of help from DM to get the kill on a tofu.
Top lane taking out that Warlock.
And again, a lot of focus under these Warlocks, not trying to give them anything that they
can get into the Black Grimoire more pages of that, slow that down, make sure that that
six comes a little bit more naturally and not getting pushed forward by, of course,
the Grimoire.
This matchup, oh for me, is not going too poorly for CJ, but of course Nisha having
a really good time overall.
It will get easier, especially once you start to get more levels and then Lunar's Blessing
during the night time is going to give you something and also they have very strong
supports to rotate to the mid lane. Liquid supports are lacking a little bit of
damage which is not the hero also with the most damage and then you have your
hero plus tusk these heroes are very very good at rotating good you have a bit
of a snow you have a setup as well you have a control you have the damage well
you got some time till that six-minute mark well have to see who makes the
rotation into the lane they are still pressuring over in the top lane kind of
playing pretty far forward on the world lock but tofu just trying to make sure
that he can take away this creep wave unfortunately socks are gonna pull it all
the way over for DM and continue to give him that opportunity to just CS he's
only nine and three right now in the centaur but opening up the lane away
from this dragonite is gonna feel much better for them they are controlling the
lane in this bottom area very nicely not allowing them to get too much out of
of it, complete free farm for Watson in the face of Watson, and Lucent being downed by
Pace.
Fatal bonded up with a lot of these heroes as the Shadow Ward's on there too, and Shard's
not gonna block in Tofu, so don't quite have the turnaround, but it's a tri-lane down
here for both teams.
At least for now, Pace was doing decent chunk of damage, especially with the Fatal Bonds
that was on leaves this lane up top 1v1 the question is do they want to keep this the more
heroes you have the more heroes you can use fatal bonds on but also tag theme becomes much more
stronger of a spell with the one extra hit from that hero so we'll see who's gonna chicken out
first in this one they walked into socks a gush immediately used but tofu ready with a shadow
where the healer base from any damage that he may take in this scenario one thing that they don't
have in a tri-lane which is a kind of a must-have item is a stick. Not one of the
liquid heroes have magic stick and there are two on Yandex.
This extra 16 damage, thanks to the fairy fires coming in handy to get a kill on Ace
with the help of Soxa. Fiddlebond's not gonna do enough as they have no follow-up
without the Tidehunter alive. And now everybody gets the damage. You have it
globally, DM, extra 4 damage on him. It's mostly about the puck. Puck does scale
really well with the damage. We've seen Pucks going for pretty much Pucks being the carries
of the team in a lot of the situations where carries fail to do so. And seems like DM wants
to play a bit of a different game and this time around it doesn't allow enemy supports
to catch him because if they want to keep this tri-lane and also having a bit of a slower
supports on Liquid with not too much lockdown, Vm can get away with this.
Nikkei is pinging, we shoot attacking, but the problem is you've got to check the six-minute
runes, which does allow Vm to get the levels.
It's Nisha and they do have level six, they do have Dream Coil, but four heroes here for
Liquid, they'll go for Maladich and the Fatal Bonds are connecting a lot of them.
Nice path, Maladich is trying desperately to get over to Roche to kill himself on said
Roche, but unfortunately can't. Ace ends up getting credit for that.
Friggin' a lot over. Does leave Watson unchecked for a second, but getting the kill and trying
to make sure that there's nothing going on with this Dreamcoyle is kind of worth it,
but they didn't get themselves the power rune that actually did in fact go to your
junior and he bottled that invisibility.
Once in, some more help from Maladich.
Every single time he gets close, he gets the treatment.
Luckily, he has Stofo behind him.
It's only a level 1 heal, but it still does the trick.
Let's see if Maladich is maybe planning to go and take the rune, but there are 3 liquid
heroes around him.
Yeah, nobody else really here.
Tusk is going their own.
Luna's not gonna come over so it'll be one apiece. In that last engagement two
Jakira did use one of the fairy fires so he was in a 4 out of damage.
Palash dropped the Gs in the old chat. Hey, he had the 16 for the kill bottom but
then now he's got less. I like to see my supports hit hard.
Might have to use this build. He yelled out by my teammates. They wouldn't
to understand the play.
They negate, they caught tofu.
Got the catch, they'll get the kill,
Watson's got control and will take out this warlock.
This is a really good start for the Lunar.
Despite the fact that there's not as much action
up top though, the Dragonite,
I say that there's immediately action up top.
You know, Mickey's having a really good time
and that's the movement over from Nisha
and we've seen this before.
When things are slow over mid,
he makes it to the side lane,
he helps out and he gets these kills.
Saxa steals it, Misha, quick fingers who would definitely love to get the hands of that one
But it seems like Miki had enough of those shenanigans from DM
He also picked it out immediately that he wants to TP in
complete free farm on that dragonite, but
Luna doing the same thing, Mask of Madness
about to be completed and
We've also seen Luna's go for a twin gate rotation
try to go for the backstab and use the first ulti to grab a kill on the enemy carry.
Is it possible here to take out the DK with that first ulti? How many heroes would you need
from Yandex to make that happen? And as I kind of asked that, now there's more action happening
is Mikkei and Tofu. They've got the Fatal Bonds, DM. When he's going to be here and they'll use that
hoofstomp, Satsa. If by this Dragonite is watching, he's got us there to try and help out. They get
If they get the kill on a midday, they'll find themselves tofu.
It's a double kill here for DM.
Bonzi on the run, but the ice path lands,
and that's going to be three for Yandex.
Jirgjnir making the rotation over to drop down that dream coil,
help out and get that kill out of the decay,
meaning that everything opens up for Yandex.
You can put Watson back over bottom,
but they're going to put the pressure onto the tier one top
first and take this tower.
It's already a 3,000 net worth lead for Yandex,
and they are the ones that have the tusk on their team,
but they are snowballing to start this game.
They really are, and this sandwich that they just ate on Team Liquid in between, exactly what Lunas love to do, go for that twin gate rotation, and it was perfectly timed.
Still, they didn't use the Eclipse, so gotta be careful for that one. They might actually get a kill on Ace if they manage to isolate him with the Eclipse.
Ace just ripped apart by this Eclipse, and another kill here for Watson who's out of killing Spree, owning this game.
Luna is a menace of a hero to deal with and she's also the type of a carry that I could see in this game
Potentially to get Silver Edge, to break that Hunter, break Dragonite
Later down the line, I don't want to see Agatev acceptor build in this game
Up until like super late where you're going to consume the Ags if the game is going to be that
Like some 50-60 plus minute game
It'll be some time until that 50-60 minute mark.
I guess we're just 10 minutes into the game currently, but you start to get towards those
earlier objectives, right?
The point of 14 minutes where you're looking for the shrine, some lineups they do set up
for an earlier rose, so you're looking for Tormentor.
How do the next 10 minutes look for both these teams?
I could see Yandex trying to put a lot more pressure on the map.
CJ hasn't been super active, but they are farming.
Buck loves to farm in this area of the map near the ward where he can farm two camps at the same time, this big hill.
And also DM, he continues to farm up.
I could definitely see this type of a lineup snowballing heavily in terms of tower damage.
You have Jakiro, who's maxing out Liquid Fire, you have Luna, if Watson decides to join.
They could definitely be opening the map nicely, killing the towers.
Tier 1 tower already down to half HP, and so is the bottom tower.
Junior, he made that rotation before up to the top lane.
He wants the damage to get that Witchblade.
We always see these pucks go into the Parasma, and he's going to be that secondary damage dealer to the Luna.
But I mean secondary doesn't mean that he's not doing nearly as much especially if you get into these kind of big items for puck
They control for him. They have the disruption into the eighth or eminent, but
Other than that it might be a little bit tough to catch it
I'd get clipped by golem dragonite is the big one
Dragon tail if he is not careful enough
So I want to see when Mickey is gonna be picking up the blink dagger whether that's gonna be
Mask of Madness into Armored Intablink, or he wants to finish off BKB before to have extra bit of protection for himself
There's one BKB piercing ability which is punish from Tusk
One thing that might also hurt this puck is that axe from Void Spirit getting that silence making sure that puck can't really play that elusive
lining and
Socks is still just level five surprisingly based on the way Yandex have kind of been putting the pressure on the map and having some open
space to themselves
Odich goes into the early drums as Centaur, he's more focusing on getting this Lotus. He has that home of the Dominator. It's not
the pipe and the
the Crimson yet or in that lock order at the moment
Sometimes we see these supports kind of take over but Tusk isn't really that kind of support that goes for like
The the support or a builder sometimes we do see jacqueroes though who can get a lot of farm pick up one of those oras
Yeah, it was Maladish the other day who picked up drums, glimmer cape, I think he had mech
and then he started to scale, going for the Agamem scepter as well.
Let's see, maybe they can find something behind enemy lines.
Dragonite just used the stun on DM's creep.
Not gonna finish it off, but Boxy will.
Extra 100 gold, a good amount of XP.
I'll take the gold on that one, happy to get 100 gold for support.
tofu three charges on that grim wire so he can definitely get into six if he
pops it you might even just pop it soon to get that they're looking to fight
but smoke breaks and they've got the disruption that's in the initial save
GP coming through from the DK now that he's the remnant and they'll even drop
the chaotic offering on a Soxa immediately picking up the mid tower
with the golem. Let's try to take it.
The white spirit still has amplified damage. Mika shows up as well.
An extra bit of tower damage coming out from him. Two big farming items,
Mask of Madness and Armlet. DM, again.
Just messing with these creeps.
Using that centaur to bring those creeps from mid to top
and getting himself more gold, more experience.
Liquid line up to me screams you try to go on us and we are gonna counter initiate with that hunter with the disruption and
Ravage so for now liquid is more than fine
Keeping things even in this game where you're farming up you get your next round of items agonist step through on void spirits
pipe on tight hunter and
Either a blink dagger or a bkb on dragonite with two saving supports behind them
It is gonna feel good and they are losing a bit of advantage that they managed to get to this type of lineup
From the index you would want to be getting some fights use a coil
Maybe use a eclipse kill a hero or two and go back to farming
He's gonna focus on getting that shrine. He's
Maybe lacking the experience that he would like in a game like this, especially, you know, he has not had the best start
That being said jikiro quite farmed and
We're getting towards that
Timing where teams they like to put a fight in and then set up potentially for tour more a little early on that overall
But it does look as though the positioning is
Setting towards maybe sitting a little bit further back for liquid
At least
Currently with a sitting back in the jungle
Decay in the triangle nobody really I mean they are kind of group top
They can go as these this trio to go for some of the kills especially with the jump and if they have chaotic offering back up
That being said Nisha would love to just be working on this aggs and get there as quickly as he can
Liquid doesn't necessarily need to rush anything because their timing in the next couple of minutes
He's gonna feel super strong making the end picks up a blink dagger wants to have extra bit of a control one spot
Jump scene or just to be the initiator of the team
Soak up some of the damage and then you'll see the ravage. You'll see the golem being dropped rock
About to be ready in 15 seconds. They're bringing the void spirit over, blink, drag, and tail
That's avoided with the phase shift to lose your orb jump from Jirgjnir to get away and they brought the void spirit in
That's four heroes that were sitting over in the middle lane and this is just opening up the map more
Freganx who are continuing to farm while Puck is
Just eluding the grasp of liquid
so far so good for cheer junior who hasn't even died in this game against the void spirit
that's been a clean game from him thus far 0-0 and 2 so no kills but no deaths lacking
a little bit of lockdown from both of the supports which does allow cheer junior to have a deathless
This game so far uses that haste, needs to be careful.
Moist Spirit and Dragonite can kill him from 100 to 0.
Hit the scan, have an idea of where he's at, but tension on the DM's creep again, that's
going to be 102 gold this time for the DK, so continuing to feed over a bit of these,
how about the Dominator creeps?
It's been about 500 gold that he's given away up to this point.
Nothing too crazy, but still, gold is gold.
Just 7-4, 18 minutes in for the game.
Who's this favoring this? More quiet.
It's pretty much anyone's game, but I do feel like Liquid is going to be
strong. It's going to be more about how they're going to be approaching the fight,
who's getting the jump, whether they are using Eclipse
Drink the pipe or post pipe go for Chikiro, and Maladich is gonna die pretty easily
This could also be a roast for liquid they have good amount of damage from Dragonite. You have sustain this year
Do they feel comfortable fighting into the fight. I like this little spot
Obs get the vision getting the information that this roaches being done, but they're not moving over
over, and it doesn't look like they will, content on giving it up.
That's one of those things that you kind of got to figure, will it bite them or not, that
they've got this second life.
It's helped 2K Gold lead, it's been 2K Gold lead for the last like 8 to 10 minutes, maybe
it spiked to 3 and then Liquid managed to pull it down to 1, but pretty even game, unable
to find any of the big openings so far.
Now another 5 minutes where Liquid kinda... can dictate.
Yeah, Tormentor also probably belongs to Liquid, unless they can get some pick-off right before,
because their damage is also pretty nuts.
You have Luna, I think Watson wants to finish off his BKB, ideally you would want to have
that pre-20 minutes, also running slightly low on mana.
that mental style every single time to push the extra wave so he doesn't feel as in danger.
So Aksa wants to tear one tower in the bottom lane.
Trying to trade these towers, but with the tower being taken top, that does also end up, like you said,
being the moment where you can kind of go for Tormentor afterwards.
The timings do...
sort of stack up.
Ticket at 1940-ish.
Leaves you with 20 seconds to get back towards Torment, just go for it if that's your...
...progative.
And why not, right? Like, the...
The index is kinda allowing them to move around the map the way they have, and Malladage shows up made once more,
and he ends up dying.
DM trying to help by putting the Lotus onto Malladage, but it's not really gonna matter. Watson's gonna be farming in deep on the Dire side in this triangle,
and the Tormentor is gonna be taken. Now they've got the Demonic Cleanse unlocked on the Shadow Team.
And this will lead to the DK just continuing to farm this outer ring, and going from objective to objective to objective, getting a pick-off here and there, is really working out for Liquid overall.
Not the most interactive game to watch, but it's very methodical from Team Liquid, moving from one objective to another, getting the Roshan kill, getting the pick-off,
Onji Kuro twice, turning that into another objective, and holding the Aegis, they gave it to Void Spirit.
You don't want to be giving it to Transformation Kuro most of the times.
Dota Plus still favoring...
Radiant team only slightly.
Get that...
Sentry off the block.
And a BKB 39 seconds faster than the previous record.
Not 15 seconds slower, but 39 faster, so he's nice, 20 minutes and 9 seconds.
And this is something that DM does, he loves to click follow, find in these mid-late game
scenarios, find the Alpha Wolf and click it on the carry.
We talked about, we mentioned Silver Edge, it's a very good item, against Dine Hunter,
against Dragonite, it also gives you survivability in the fight, and it seems like he is going
for it. Re-Butterfly. I think he's also not going for Butterfly straight away
because of the matchup against Ragnarok. He will buy MKB. He's not afraid to do it,
but if Mikkei commits and gets Crystalis slash Daedalus, then he's kind of running
out of slots, but then later on you can still get MKB, sell your treads, get the
Blink upgraded to the slip link, and then you don't really need the boots
But you have a good window 5 10 maybe even a 15 minutes window depending how the game goes
No stuff
That's a beam ace walrus punch the control is there with a shadow word
They're ready with a chaotic offering potentially even the ravage
They'll stampede cuz I think they understand that they just can't break through ace at the moment
And they have two big team fight spells to throw down on these heroes
I thought it takes us.
We didn't really want to take the fight.
He wasn't even close.
And there's the disruption.
Tusk now caught and...
dead.
Evens the game up at 7.
What was the last time...
Yandex even got a kill?
It's been a while.
The last kill they got
was at about 9 minutes
50ish seconds on that graph?
Yeah, I can read graphs
Yeah
It's not the don't look at me. It's not the road shot block. I know how to read the graph guys
If it's a normal all right, okay, all right, all right, I get it roaches respawning soon. Luckily they updated
I have the timer exact now. I don't have to question I
See I see it's coming back
They're showing where I really lack in my casting
Astral step on some of these illusions, but they did take a tier two over bottom
They're shrinking this map for Yandex without fighting
I just play post-fire on it to the go to the eclipse of fatal boss now
They go to the ravage ace puts that onto a lot of these heroes with the vkb
He's gonna pop here by the Luda trying to put the damage on a make a but he's able to get away with his own vkb
the shadow where those kill off ace so they got the tide even though they got hit by that ravage.
BKB's running up to your junior, a two man stop that locks up Tofu as well as Nisha who goes in a bit assimilate.
Stampede to get away but the astral step sticks with him, DM's dead.
Junior Junior thinking about turning this one around, he's got the help of Watsid and another got the sus of the illusory orb as well as the lucid beam.
But he is continuing to get helped out. Glimmer King keeps him in, viz keeps him out of sight now to mind.
Boxie ends up dead with the buyback beat committed here by the tusk.
They've got the silence, it's gonna be the man to sound about that on off.
Once they're down, they look over at Nisha, they'll get that kill to the voodoo spirit, maybe they can get some more.
To your junior, he's got a little bit of anapope to play with, and he's got himself the wand with 11 charges.
Can they stop this TV? No, they can't.
Ice path just a little bit late, but finally fighting back on the side of Yandex as they were just pushing and pushing and pushing on liquid.
And finally, it's DM who makes that start and continues to throw some good stunts.
What a perfect timing as...
Roche, like Aegis, is about to expire.
They get to jump two men hoofstomp and they Google all and they pop the eclipse even during the pipe during the BKB
They're still dealing good amount of damage them
They kill tight hunter off as the first target the fight is going to be slightly longer
And I like positioning from Watson like him pushing the limits understanding
What he's hero can do and how much damage he can deal and now he's level 18. So for the next fight
There's going to be another eclipse extra bit of damage extra 50 extra three
He will have Silver Edge for the next fight.
Silver Edge coming through for him and he's been plugged in charging up on that 60W and doing as much as he can to get into this Silver Edge.
And once he gets there, it's going to be much easier to get through these heroes, like you said.
And there comes a point where Liquid refelt the advantage that they had, and they had it till that age has expired, and now it does feel as though maybe Endex kind of have the dictation of the next five or so minutes.
DM will also bring an aura to the fight, he didn't have any, it was more about him having
the Lotus Orb to dispel some of the more annoying things, he gets the jump so Dragonite
might stun himself post BKB, it gives him good enough of armor, but...
They want to go with the Silver Edge immediately, they want to shoot it off, the break is there,
he's up in the wall as much as they get the kill, but on the other side they got Chirjuner,
he's in some trouble when he gets the phase shift off, he goes into the Dreamclaw that's
It's gonna be dropped down on two heroes, and they deal with the BKB, and it starts to run,
which is in trouble, and he ends up dead.
Watson's just got too much damage.
I think someone fed him Lotus as well, so Puck did manage to survive there, pops the magic wand.
As soon as they got that Silver Edge, such a valuable pick up, and again, Watson is dealing the most damage in every single fight.
45 seconds faster than the previous record for the Silver Edge, and they show it off immediately.
And now is that thing that we did mention the carry to carry matchup where Dragonite is investing in his gold going for
Daedalus Watson he starts thinking about picking up that butterfly staying one step ahead because his dragonite dies
He will not have as much gold and then you will have might even have the full butterfly for the next next engagement
Roshan read the clock Benjamin
two minutes and nineteen seconds extra timing that was good they didn't even
show the clock on stream I would have known what it said of course this time
without looking
I wouldn't know if I'll admit it it's fine you're very non-digital you're
very analog clock and you're still struggling we've gone over this but the
The Anouac clock that is in the pit is not one. It's different. It's not exact
What are you guys gonna understand?
It's not it's not real guys don't zoom in stop
The liquid they they want to take the fight they are smoked up
Ace doesn't have blink dagger ready, but does have agonist center which makes him think here
makes him maybe keep the distance and then go in once Golan drops once they
pop the BKBs but right now there's also another massive issue which is this
Parasma BKB on Puck so reducing their magic resistance with Luna Alti who's
also level 20 minus 40 seconds on Alti which was previously level 15 talent so
let's see if they can find him maybe they can get a jump sentry obvs and
another center for liquid on their side of the map smoke again from both teams
Soxa can't jump on Tunisia who will dissimilarate and get away
Elder dragon form maybe thinking about going in early shadow word pre-emptive
on making the jump for liquid now that it has agatum scepter this is gonna be
pure damage he can't allow himself to get jumped this is whisper of the dread
Kenai's macro fire. I don't think you're gonna ask for anything better jump in
Satsa they got the break they hit the stomach they got the disruption save the
upgraded axe macro fire through onto ace and he is starting to burn down quite
low they want to throw this ravage out but he never has a chance to do so the
eclipse gets dropped down they go to the chaotic offering snowball save coming
through on a big game even the damage from watsi and it's too much for
get ahead of with the help of Malinage, they're looking to get Watts and they're still alive!
They've fed him a lot of his, they've got the Lotus room around him and he's still alive!
They cannot kill this Luda, the Astral Step to finish him off, there it is!
Finally, he's dead with the Snowball Lades and Anisha they get to kill!
They took out Watts and it was an 8x spree, Anisha gets a lot of gold,
but it cost them 4 Euros just to get this Luda!
Oh man, he's again doing so much work in every single fight, and the Makropire melts that hunter,
he doesn't get the Ravage off laying into this pure damage, getting broken, getting eclipsed,
and every single time Luna pops a BKB, making sure that he doesn't get much out of it.
Case only level 14, we're gonna see that again. He tries to get this BKB, alright,
then get this Ravage off and he thinks about it and he's just so low,
Melting a little bit, realizes the BKB has been popped by Luna anyway, wouldn't have done anything for the most part.
They also are not overlapping the BKB duration, Lotus Orb comes in, and then Nisha, he will find the angle.
I think it was Jura Jr. giving him the small Lotus, making a bit of a difference, and then Nisha gets another Astral Step, gets the kill, gets a good amount of XP and gold, but still...
Not enough, and Roshan is now available.
The clock has struck zero on that.
We'll say in that fight 2, DM again just having multiple big stuns.
Luckily, not looking to let this fall too far.
Expecting the index to come over, looking to intercept.
If they can win a fight, they can get roached, they can bring the game back to you then.
That being said, they're not coming over on the index immediately.
No, they're waiting. They know something's cooking. They also got a tormentor which is gonna make DM much
Thank you with the Crimson Guard as well. I see BKB in his quick buy
He might turn this potentially into agonim scepter like if this is not BKB straight away
His next item is definitely gonna be agonim scepter. You save your Luna
The putter inside of the card this time around blink back on time
He's just caught. He might be getting the jump. Disruption saved from Poxy is not gonna be enough
He's still at the ice path that's still a problem macro pyre comes in. They got the dreamclaw. They're gonna kill Anisha
Liquid were the ones who started to lay in wait, but unfortunately for them
It didn't start well, but it might end well they go in they jump forward with a drag fight to go for this luna
But what is gonna back off for the BKB active?
Tide hunters still holding on to this ravage waiting for the moment to go
They've got the TP attempt out from this DK. They'll get the kill on a Mickey
And that's gonna be two heroes dead at the side of liquid his ace is now trying to get away from this entire fight
He's still not throwing that Ravage and he's gonna have to hold it because he just don't want to waste it in a moment like this
Despite the fact that he is gonna die
He will not use that Ravage will hold it for the next fight
Hope that they can make something and salvage for the next one best row Sean now belongs to Yandex
It's gonna be Luna you have to kill her twice and you also died again
Which means that MKB the damage that you want to pump in onto this Luna?
Is not gonna happen
is an easy roach to take.
And this all starts, they see Nisha,
making the jump to clear the creep wave,
but Saksa on it again, jump every single time.
Even with the save, they made sure
that he was there with the follow up from Maladich
to have that continued control.
And they're not afraid to drop the dream coil.
Everything was there to take on the void spirit.
And it looked like maybe this could go around and go liquid.
Yeah, but then you see Jura Jr. jumping across them
and making sure that they are gonna need
to pop the BKBs. Tofu doesn't provide them with much in terms of lockdown because Golem
was there, but they also don't want to use it. So having like, we've seen this in similar
games so far at Valakia where you have two big team fighting alties, but if you can combine
them together, it was Tundra yesterday. This is the game that I was talking about where
they couldn't find openings and then you get the jump, you kill one guy, they pop the BKBs.
which doesn't feel as good to use.
Yeah, the liquid ravage is not feeling great with the BKBs, like you said,
and it makes it so hard to feel like you're having that impact for Tide.
So a lot of that is, of course, that ravage.
She alms down, he needs to blink out, lock seat.
And it's to run away. Luna's sitting at 550 damage at the moment.
Nisha, does he get this off?
That was close, but it's right towards Maladich.
He's able to get some distance between him, self and DM in the jikiro.
DKV's going to make his life a little bit easier, he'll close in on that and go shibas.
But three and a half minutes to hope that you can get away from this luna sentry placed
down, ace is spotted, shards are around.
And DM going to follow up.
Ace, where's your team? Where's the help?
Gosh, coming across with 11. Snowball, 4 heroes are here.
Ace is just surrendered by Liquid
to the damage of Yandex.
The power of Toss, this is why I love this hero.
No matter how tanky you are, tank team,
even without your carry, still gonna be able to grant you a kill.
Watson received quite a lot of damage from Shadow Demon.
Voxy used ulti, used disruption.
This has always been one of the best if not the best support in the game against Luna because she needs to stand her ground
It did develop over the years because you have 30% damage reduction on Lunar orbit, which makes you insanely tanky
30% of the damage especially in the mid and late game sounds just so ridiculous. Moxie trying to be sneaky
All shrines going the way of Yandex now, but Moxie had to really bail on that
unfortunate but had to be done otherwise he ends up dead as that yule's and
you'll see the push from the liquid fire of the jikiro to pressure on and you
hit that 35 minute double catapult wave see who's gonna be pushing in with set
catapults his shadow demon will show up disrupt and blink back to the higher
He's taking care of both those catapults, so they'll have both of their bottom to push
in if they want to defend this and still use this Aegis with a minute fifty on it and they
have it over mid too.
Dreamclaw gets committed on Anisha, Aether remnant hits on the tier junior who's silenced
but the double step away will mean that this voidsphere is going to be getting out with
a fight's breaking over mid.
Stampede to escape Ace, just throwing these gushes away and defending this tier three
tower from the double catapult wave and the index.
Aegis is gonna run out in minute than 30.
Ideally you would want to have the satanic illusions already.
That's gonna be one way to push things in.
Flexiura Jr. wants to take care of top part of the map, maybe get something done in there,
knowing that Team Liquid will push or try to get something happen, try to creep skip,
maybe get something done, maybe get a pick off right now.
the whole squad is playing in that area and everybody except for Boxy who wants to create
illusions out of Luna will stop the push in the mid lane.
So those illusions stop pushing in.
Sure Junior's going to be the only one there and maybe he gets caught.
They're going to try and make this move and Tofu's going to be thrown down some vision.
The illusory orb, he'll jaunt to it but the team had backed off.
Liquid backing away from the lane where they were.
He was about to put himself in harm's way, but while that's going on, Box is just dead.
And Luna's going to be pushing through your guys.
Liquid.
That's gone.
Once you lose the tower, your barracks are immediately gone, and they need to defend
this three tower.
Ages?
20 seconds.
Let's see if maybe Liquid can't pull something similar like they did on the index where they
timed that.
Ages?
15 seconds.
They're going to try.
by Watson to break through the tier three over mid and this this set of racks are gone too so two
sets of racks the lack of response but now the agent is going to be expiring to go to the rabbit
it's going to be perfect can't they get the finish off out of one and they're not going to get the kill
to Watson he's not able to do it he's got some good shards down cheery jr stun though he's hit
the damage and burning will kill off mickey ace is going to die now the hook's top through he's just
They don't need the LUNA!
They do not need LUNA!
They just need the rest of the team to come in.
They're going to buy back on Ace.
That is four heroes that die.
And without the break of the index.
They can't really do much.
Watson could have lived.
Watson could have definitely lived
if he swapped the Power Tread for a BKB.
His Aegis was expiring.
It would be enough to swap a BKB
and get Satanic. He wasn't really life-stealing out of it
and see the damage.
the Magio coming out from this twin-headed dragon. 7000 damage in the previous fight.
Coked him in that Big Mac, Profiter. Sesame seed butt. I mean, man, that was...
Yeah, that was Big Mac. Yeah. 24,000 net worth lead of the AGS like you were saying.
For the Centaur Warrunner, that's that save which they can use next time for Watson.
And you'll have that workhorse, you put him in the cart, five stars, let me out, I'll get out right here, and then potentially just finish the game.
We'll see if they wait for the next rush. It's not that far away.
Minute thirty-five on the digital clock, and potentially a little bit more afterwards on that secondary.
You'll see Watson, I see some AKBs and that's hopping it in.
Not swapping it in, Aegis about to expire.
What if AKB...
probably would be able to live?
Not take that damage, but then again,
Makropire and Ice Shards.
They're stuck, they're just receiving the damage.
You could feel that they wanted to run back,
that this was like a zoning Makropire,
and then Soxa finds the opportunity,
finds a really good shard,
and suddenly this whole fight turns around.
Commit that buyback from...
Ace, and there's not really much he could do.
the face of these index heroes and you can see the stress starting to unfold this liquid team.
So start to draw their line and make their pilgrimage top.
Why not? The whole way through though, DM. He's just towards this triangle working on getting some
farm and actually pretty close to Nisha. I can spot him but there is a amplify damage.
I'm ready for a true Jhin and a really send it home with. What do you do if you're liquid? I mean
this is insurmountable it feels like. I don't know if you can take this fight like it's a really
it's a part of those situations where you feel you do need to take the fight but if you don't
It's gonna be Luna with the Aegis on your high ground, Seijing with the Workhorse behind her, so almost impossible not to play against Mega Treats.
Another Tormentor, Maladich will get it, so even more damage coming up from him.
That was a...
He's gonna get chatting it up. They're also controlling all the Lotuses. Every single fighter is like big Lotus, medium Lotus used right now. They have one Greater available under Kiro.
That's about it.
about it they're not greedy when it comes to no they don't hold them and
maybe not even use them for 50 minutes they they make sure to use these
lotuses and now acro fire shadow team gets caught in the ice pit that was
placed down just get the disruption off but they've got the sides to go to the
vkb make a try to go to boxy and they'll lose the dragonite no DK for 90 seconds
vkb popped by Saksa there is no return fire really available for liquid at the
moment, especially without their carry.
Let's see how they approach this one.
Roshan is gonna respawn in less than two minutes,
but Dragonite just used his BKB, used his Dragon form.
They should know that it's on cooldown for at least a minute.
They don't know the buyback status we do.
That's the only thing that's
we're better than professional E-Athletes.
They are gonna hold back, look towards Rosh.
Dota Plus gave Liquid a 2% chance of winning this game a moment ago.
Good, uh, good percentage on the milk to drink, but this game's spoiling for Liquid as time goes on.
Trying to cool this one down and make sure that it's not outside the fridge for too long.
As they need to freeze the game to really start to pull back this net worth deficit.
Unfortunately, that's going to require them to turtle pretty hard.
And and I don't really think that they can
Contest this Rouge they might be in a spot where they
Kind of have to and then force a fight and if you don't win the game is over. I
Repeat the game is Joel
spinning
Haven't seen many Jolls in the chat. It's a alright look at your twitch chat now. You just said Joel twice
You're gonna get a billion
Maybe we can also get some pop Nemos and a Swarp Glorp in there.
25 seconds for this Roshan. That's all the Andex are really waiting for. They've got the Vibax available on everybody but Chirr Junior. He's 5 inch build away from that.
But, Nisha, Divine Rapier queued up. He is far from it, but trying for it and he is unfortunately for him right under some vision.
vision. If he could get level 25 with Divine Rapier, 900 with Refresher,
things could maybe look slightly better for Liquid.
Roshan is now getting killed by Yandex.
Bas-Ror, this time around doesn't seem like they are...
Gotta go out, go for the fake back or anything.
Those are the minimap, Liquid.
They are showing, they are showing in the top lane as well.
Two lanes with super creeps are getting pushed,
And Sox is trying to set things up on Nisha, potentially.
Chara Jr.
He's also keeping up level 26.
Dreamclaw, Pierce's debuff immunity with the refresher.
They've got the visionist wave.
Go for the high ground, plant the banner, have workhorse behind Luna.
He also has refresher, a bit of a Kale.
Oh.
Oh, dropping those packets again.
The connections are, I don't know, somebody's on the phone.
For all you 90s kids out there with your dial-up internet, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep,
beep.
And it doesn't connect.
And then it's that fax machine screaming at you.
Or somebody picks up the phone, immediately disconnects, then it doesn't want to connect
because someone was just on the phone.
you're in the middle of the game and then you can't even reconnect to the game
because we did not have technology back then no it was dial-up to begin with
which was obnoxious you had to use a CD to get minutes on AOL these kids don't
remember. I feel so old. This stuff was on a floppy disk. I don't even know if people
remember what those are. But everybody's starting to reconnect. They're going to be
back into this one. They're going to try and smoke. Used here by Yandex after this pause
and they're gonna try and pressure in.
Let's see which way they go through,
because they might use this smoke to break through bottom.
At least that's what it looks like to kind of get a deeper position inside the base.
And they'll wrap all the way around,
and there's really not much stopping them.
Everybody's kind of topside.
Mika is actually the one on first point of contention.
He'll blink back.
Workhorse.
Disruption.
And Aether Emnion.
Trying to lock him, watch him, but he picks him up for a second to the cart, they go to the Stampede.
This is now where of course, and Stampede used, deep vision placed by the rest of the team.
Kinda weird for Yandex, is that first point of contention being the DK who does not have buyback for 300 gold.
And they have not fully backed up to jump in, they're gonna try and find anything they can, but Sox is so farmed, he's gotta be Katie!
Jumping from DM, he's not gonna land the two-man stun, Mekke within the elder dragon form, Watson.
He's in Viz, looking for a target, looking for a possible...
jump point.
They sit within the base, dreamclaw used.
His back, back a fire, for liquid, but they have the disruption for the safe.
Jumping, post-stop counter, golf ring all committed.
But can they get each out? No they can't. He's got buyback. They'll get the kill to the DKB, he's gonna be popped by the game.
He goes out of the underdragons for them to get the gun that he gave there too.
We're gonna buy back in the ravage. No follow-up on the ravage. They've got the break with the silver edge.
They've got tied in so much trouble. Down goes he's. The look again at the game. This DK, he's a knight in
shining armor, but not solid enough armor when they're unable to kill these heroes.
No look.
They panic. Can he get it off? Can he get the same? Can he get the damage off?
Life-stealing.
But he's still not life-stealing a lot, and not life-stealing enough.
So he'll end up losing his first life, but they don't have D-Shade.
He's gonna be dead for two minutes.
Can they follow this up with anything more from the side of Liquid?
Watson has a double BPB.
They're running out of steam.
Refresher ready.
Two junior in the back.
An automatic, but doesn't quite matter.
He's in the face of these heroes, stopping them from going in onto Watson,
who's tearing down these tier four towers, gets himself one, looks for a second.
In case he doesn't have Ravage, they're gonna expose Yandex,
they're gonna get a 2-0 to finish the night.
Can they get this one without the Void Spirit,
their control is a little bit lacking,
especially without Ravage.
The go, they'll jump, now they've got the workhorse stuff,
pick him up in the cart, they'll drop to the Eclipse,
gonna be on a big hit, they'll get the kill on the DK,
and that should be it.
It should be wrapped up in a nice bow for Yandex,
and it will be, Gigi is called,
2-0 for Yandex, it's day to feed Liquid.
A lot of performance from Yandex.
Really, really liking these Luda picks,
And it seems like they are doing a lot. Watson, he kind of locked him in this game and his performance, especially the Silver Edge pick up as well, being able to break, type Hunter, break Dragonite.
I don't think it gets better than this very clean execution.
No, they shine bright with a thousand Watts and that's going to be Yandex doing it all and we're going to send it over to the panel to see what they have to say about this one.
Well, it's just an incredible story. As I said, we're always blessed with ease of the lahir, it seems.
seems we always get one team that just shocks everybody else and this time
unquestionably now with a win over liquid it is Yandex unbelievably well
well played in the team fights from Yandex that's what this seemed like to me
because the early game was even everything was even both sides were
playing well even liquid was flying well in this fight you have some chasing and
over chasing and really good positioning from both sides but Yandex
Like even the fact that he saves the centaur ulti until the very end of the fight
It's like the fight had already gone on for 30 seconds at that point, but they didn't have to use it
They were specific. So look at Johnny the wolf in all these clips. You're gonna see Johnny
He's just buffing up Watson on the Luna. I think like it's also it's all the small things that they're actually doing like in this game
And I will say overall mr. Ace he had a very I mean you can see it from the clips
He had a he had a rough one on the tide. I think maybe a rough series overall
You know look, it's never nice to sort of single players out, but yeah definitely in this series. It felt like not as best
We also hit like Maladis. It's minute 29
He's already had an agonist scepter like for a while like at this point
It is very hard for ace to play like they have a lot of damage
They're like closing in on the silver edge after pure damage already on the jacarro with the eggs
Like I think that yandex similar Jenkins what he said about bedboom
I think they're kind of flying under the radar a bit or so maybe you know
They've got this stand-in with DM who's doing so well like he's outperforming
I think you know what you would expect from a team with a stand-in, but they're doing like so many good things and
Liquid I do feel like they were caught a little bit slipping in this one. Yeah for sure
Yandex has just been inconsistent in their performance depending on what tournament it's in
It's like one tournament they win the next tournament
They bomb out the next tournament they get top two and it just seems like we're in the
Sign curve were back at the top for yandex
I if some coach can go into this team or they can figure it out themselves with who they have
Working with them now how to make that sign curve a little bit less extreme
Their performance at the highest level is so high. Yeah, and then this guy proved what the coach said
they said if we get jacquero we get it on malady we will win like no problem about it and this guy
is just a boss look at his here look at his itemization ag's blink travel it looks like an
overthrow build like even boots of travel is very luxurious like he has 20 tells a network
that's a meme he's got three consumables yeah like and like you like he does so many cool things
like jenkins this one like what is this this is nice this is nice i mean jacquero the thing
Everyone complains about with jacquero is the twin terror facet right like the ability to walk into lane with a
bunch more damage than any support has and
Amplifying that by going for a bunch of fairy fires
It does matter a lot for winning the early trades also
I think a lot of early trades are won by like
Using the fairy fires is very very smart stuff. I just hold that thought for a moment. We're going over to slacks
He's with CJ
That's right, we got Jiren Jr. here. Sir, an incredible series, well done. I got to shake your hand for that. Give me some MMR, just, you know, being close to you. Thank you so much.
Incredible, incredible job! Game 1, absolutely unbeatable Invoker performance. Got to feel pretty good at being a team like Team Liquid, right?
Yeah, that's really cool.
What's your answer?
On my favorite hero.
Oh, yeah.
Which one? The Invoker or the Puck? Because you look like you played that Puck like he was your favorite hero, but it's the Invoker, right?
Yeah, sure.
How much Invoker games do you have?
How much practice do you have on that hero?
I don't have the thousands.
God damn!
Every pause for Invoker in your pubs right now is drooling.
All right, well thank you.
Okay, so I need to say something a little offensive so that we can get into the real
meet.
I love watching you play.
I think you're a great player.
One of my favorite things about you is that you dive tier 4s and kill yourself all the
time for no reason.
Happening this tournament you seem to be really dialed in you seem to be really focusing on that non-extensions
That's something that you've been working on in the prep for liquid course save me
Stop do it. Okay. Okay. So that's the tea is the course
Supports big part. We need to talk about your teammate walking into the lane with four fairy fires
What are your thought process you're in mid you have the right items you look over this guy has one of the most atrocious
I'm absolutely trusting, but I don't understand why he's doing it, but I like him cook.
That's right, we let him cook, we don't ask questions, fantastic.
Well, everyone has been saying that Liquid is the team to beat.
You have now defeated them. You are on every single person's radar here.
Is this going to be one of those random tournaments where you guys are just miles above everybody?
The best teams here? Is that how you're feeling right now?
I mean we practiced a lot before this tournament. I think it gives us this
Confidence like that how to say I mean you can see that confidence in that game one end when you guys just push for the
Ancient just took that bad boy. Who's making that call? Was that you? I mean you had a lot of say in that game
I mean I already don't remember actually, but maybe it's me. You just say Sasuke. It's okay
You just suck suck absolutely guys the goal. He's a genius, of course. Okay. Well, I gotta give you this moment
I know there's a big win against liquid anything out there to say to the fans
I know I'm a cheer you and your fan for life anything out there for the peeps
I mean for my fans. Thanks for cheering. I love you and for my haters suck
For my haters suck it iconic words cheer a junior cheer a senior is proud once more back to you guys. Thank you very much
It's great. What a great indifference.
I know, right? It reminds me of that movie Kung Fu Panda 2, where they achieve in a piece.
He's achieved it for sure.
He met Master Chief, I think, before this series.
And who is that on the team? You think it's Malady?
No, I think it's his coach. His coach was saying, you know, like Michael.
It's not what I think he was with no buyback.
Ultimate line. Don't do it.
It works every time.
I mean, clearly it is. I think I want to be a Dota coach.
I love this team. When they give interviews, there's like ultimate aura.
Like you can't help but like smile.
He was so happy to be there. It's crazy.
I mean, let's be clear. That's like a statement when, you know,
you beat some decent teams while you're here. You're just too old liquid.
You know, we're talking about liquid as being the best team here.
Maybe winning the tournament, niche at the best mid in the world.
You just do all them and it was easy.
I mean, it wasn't like, you know, the first game was maybe back and forth, the second game felt stompy.
Yeah, like, he had zero deaths, I think, in this Puck game.
He barely died in the Invoker game, played incredibly well.
And I think like, it's not just like him in the Vigid, I think it must feel good.
Like, as a team, you've got this, and I think they've also, like, made good decisions.
Like, I think that this game was very much changed by them, like,
tri-leaning in the safe lane very early on, which then led to Ace having a bad game.
And it's all, again, it's like, Dota is a very snowball-heavy game.
And I think this team, myself included, they were probably underrating them,
But I think they just keep showing up like series after series.
I won't say who, but when we were looking at the rosters doing the prep on the days we were out here before we were live,
there was someone said, you know, like, what the fuck is this team?
They were looking at the roster and they were like, you know, can they actually go and do anything good?
Well, I didn't say.
I didn't say.
It wasn't these guys.
You should drop the name, Richard.
No, but it's one of them.
Release the file.
It's one of two people.
But it's such an eclectic mix of like regions.
regions and ideas and experience you've got a standing the standing looks amazing
It's also may I like I would like to show them out
I think back in his career played with like a guy that's different like literally sabotaging him
You know like throwing games now the guy's just sabotaging himself exactly like not the guy has moved on
But like not the he moved on from here then like he gets kicked from his team. He's standing in here
He's looking great. You mean nine-class right? I mean, yeah, I will have to give him the credit. It's nine-class
keep it up guys right let's take a look at the bracket
getting chuckleheads home took you into bed right relax relax we can see here
exactly what that means we've seen Betbu popping off doing the unthinkable also
overcoming arguably the favorite in their game I think so and then obviously
Yandex they've just handled Team Liquid very comfortably it's a super interesting
up a bracket final. That means of course one of those teams is going to be in the grand final.
Now the lower bracket unbelievably cutthroat because as you can see Tundra got through but it
was a bit of the old squeaky bum time as we say in the UK. It wasn't close and clinical like you
would have thought it would when they were taking on Aurora. And so now Tundra have to take on Spirit.
Remember Tundra themselves using a stand-in in the form of Parker. So that could be a crazy one
And that of course that's a schedule looking like this
We will of course be closing out the day with TBD versus TB. That's a good one
Yeah, that's basically like our caution and some and some even secret might come into play
Oh, yeah, you know like whoever it might be we got Betboom obviously taken on Yandex that now promises to be an absolute
This is insane.
That's just an insane game.
And then obviously Liquid versus Heroic.
I mean, Heroic are an exciting team.
They're clinging on for their tournament life.
Team Liquid probably wondering what just hit them
so anything can happen overnight.
You should have rated Tylong.
Spirit 21 to start out the day.
Yeah, too.
It's a lot of TI winners down below, huh?
Down below.
Yeah, that's a bit scary, a bit shaky down there.
But it's time for some new blood.
So maybe it's Tylong's opportunity
come back because obviously in Kung Fu Panda 1 he got sealed. That's true. In the spirit realm.
In the spirit realm. He might come back. You know also if they win and the tundra win.
You'll get there. But you know if heroic win, if tundra win you get Parker where
system as well. You know old rivals, if spirit and liquid win you get them against each other.
There's a lot of good storylines here. You're just like in Kung Fu Panda. It's what I love
about Flyhuis. They always deliver. You guys have delivered today. It's been great hanging out with
Well, you've thanks so much.
You've all delivered at home for watching.
Thanks for staying with us over the course of the day.
And make sure you tune into tomorrow
for more excellent photos.
We'll, exactly, keep it up guys.
We'll see you later.
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