Oh
My dear, my dear, my dear,
She will not come away,
She will not come away.
There's all the tier 2's up, so there's going to be an additional fortification coming out as well.
Speed does catch tofu though.
Oh, what did he do?
You're kidding!
What's that?
Has the Zerups in chance to survival by the looks of it?
Jump, XM.
He's right into the holding arms of Mikke,
then they do jump in with the big avalanche-loss combination of the two heroes,
but XM is down anyway.
Ekky does die, Jonathan,
but nobody else has really taken that much damage.
Maybe Mika, he's got an agents of them. They do find them the first time. Sheeran jumping
again, trying, but here comes Ace, with the rolling thunder, running over the dreams of
Vici Gaming.
Alright, Hiroga are going to try to get out of their base. They'll find Techies. They
will. Jumping in is Ace with a DKB able to take out Yolokor and look at this. Mika
coming in with a big rapid attack with the Hiroa. They don't have anything.
The black hole there did he get did it get canceled instantly? He might have been stunned simultaneously by the kids
I think of course that's gonna just stun everyone and this is gonna turn into a team life
This game is not even remotely because I was expecting
Well we've heard with the deso and the force war okay, all right take it and share you have died
I'll just enter it.
Uh, I...
Mira? Okay.
Okay.
Bear, as well as Ember now.
How many are there in the smoke?
Bear is stunned. Bear can't get DKB off.
Making tons of damage.
Oh, look! A damage coming up!
Nobody has to take photo in conjunction.
It's three dead instantly.
They just evaporated.
Four dead for Xtreme, and now XXS left all alone.
He's still having an agent for another two minutes, Makoto, zipping in the two heroes that are getting caught inside this.
Will Nightful from the Kono, he will. He catches Voicebrick and Triple S, but they don't.
Evening hot to save for now, but no one still eventually dies.
Triple S, he'll have access to the Ravage.
Then they are terribly getting jumped upon by WS. He's getting bashed. There's no target for a Sunder.
Zatelik might just die here. Finally he gets a Sunder from Ducalus. That'll keep him alive.
He's trying to break up the fight on the back and I don't know what nightfall, fight the secondary
proto, he's going to catch up to the Terraply, he saves him for a moment, but that moment
will end.
He dies, does have 5 acts available, will utilize it, and turn him with everybody else.
Kaori left behind in the face, doesn't have the maneuver ability to get up by himself,
will eventually die, does have 5 acts, at the same time WS pulling back to the
Terraply, what about the 5 acts, they kill him off, they get the huge, they get
the huge catch.
GG is called Aurora!
You need to win this fight.
They spot the Talny.
He is in, but we have the detection to see where the ledge went.
He's getting away. He's getting away from this one.
And finally, Armed snipes the backline again with a call coming from the arrow.
He's got the team protector and the board.
And tomorrow's VP already burned. They're trying to focus down the Rubik.
Big save will fall that's too dead on the side of that boom, but also inside of EP Kaname is locked in GBK with Miero
They get so much benefit out of their early stuns when the fight is clubbed up like this
Be torn to shreds regardless
The call and that is a dead hoodwink again buyback expended from the win runner
Mr. Gay is number one with the change by doing a good amount of work save will survive the telekinesis himself
Meanwhile, focus fire on the Keratich for the cold embraces keeping him alive for now.
Embarrassed about striking to the right click, remember he has a beautiful jump in from the arrow.
The MKB enough from Keratich and that should do it. That's a dieback.
Best lad's carriers in the game.
Even though, as I say that, Salazar hasn't queued up.
Oh, see, goes in, actually starts the initiation out onto a bar followed outside the rolling down to a GPK.
Solar Guardian will be there too.
Malrin is the primary target and he's gone.
The bear was trying to finish off Roshan. Gryth goes into the Roshan pit.
Unfortunately though, they get it on BB Team to kill and the Aegis back on Giddich,
snaking the supernova Wobbob on the outside. But the stuns mean nothing without follow-up damage,
so his team is still being eviscerated. They even bring down the bear in the end.
And he played Wobbob 3, he knows that Gryth is hurt.
The dogs were enough you can see how big the stack was was 1000
He's getting caught out right now.
The last of the ages to play around with.
Not dead, just hit, but finally you will fall.
He's caught up on the high ground, but a very nice,
fun and wave, pushing all the heroes away from the egg.
Having it burst onto the left track,
it also connected onto the cancel as well,
on the far side of the site.
Cans is dying, but the channel heal
keeps the tactic alive.
Now instead it's going to be nice for that
ends up dying.
No one controlled him perfectly,
and Cans is now ready to turn around
and get the damage into the fight.
He brings down Kaori.
WS is right next to no one with Makoto, the SSS gets the storm on Makoto preventing him from easily killing off no one.
Finally no one got by, but Makoto will have to sacrifice his life for it and nobody is left that can deal with Zatani.
He is going ham, he's got himself an ultra kill.
Here we go, Dark Margo.
Here come a bus.
9th class, Skogil though.
He's going to the backband, there's no interest in the loan druid.
He wants the chance and he's going to get him with the break and the inhale, but they need more damage.
He's going to come in from Dark Margo in the tentacle,
gets off the ramp to death,
but shredding through these heroes,
and he gets out with the grappling claw.
You're kidding me.
Dark Margo really wants to at least bring him down,
force the cast to die,
man to dodge,
to get out of the stun,
get out of the roots.
Unfortunately, he can do nothing about the spirit vessel.
He will eventually die,
and El Misho, Dark Margo, they escape.
MUSIC
Getting with the big team fight, they're gonna bait though, force them out of the base.
Amar, he comes out through lots of gush, there's the Icarus, dive forward, no supernova just yet snaking.
Nice little laser, but it gets cancelled out, there's the rabbit, he connects onto Nero and the Emberspirit.
They can make your Nero, yes!
At long loss, Kiritage will join him in the grave as well.
The double kill for Mal-Reed.
As GPK is forced to run, they do have to get in the water though.
However, he can activate the BKB, dragging this anchor.
He needs to get out of here. Don't get entangled. Don't get hit.
Unfortunately he can do neither. And he ends up dead!
Come on. Still unkillable.
Now he's gonna try to find anybody else a weaker target.
Maybe get the dieback out of Crit.
I think the beast will come out.
They should be able to get a dieback. Crit is gone!
Dieback though will be there for Zankig.
He's coming back, hoping to do something else to keep this game going.
Storm spirit right next to Skeeter.
He did a lot of damage from the right clip, he's out of mana, but he's barely managed to limp his way back into the fountain.
Tomorrow we'll take out the final sea of four towers on behalf of Skeeter.
They want to end this game here and now, Laurel trying to do what he can, zipping this way and that.
Trying to get everybody and they just get Skeeter.
But the throne.
But the throne is destroyed, the game is over, Gigi won't play.
Seems like it's...
Dan, the rest of her roll, it comes to the rescue, because now Vyla has just put herself in a very bad position.
There comes New Magdral here into the side, this isn't the case with Rollin Thunder.
That's gonna be Ari down, and onto the chase, good overgoal by Whitebawn, and the shards almost block everybody's escape.
But only catches BZM, but still, a value target to find. BZM, full gate kill, Tylong with the double, looking for even more.
The oligore spells we pulled on, Whisper has a surge, and you'll push Tylong forward with surge and Rollin Thunder.
but it doesn't actually give him that's true big fire rcy spotted at a toss good
to be at the bottom of the epicenter and there's the soul by the dude comes out
beforehand the olacor is dead now to focus on to the tiny actually believe
the shadow blade off he is doomed so he's gonna brush it up there actually
was reflected as well the egg plays just in time and now the roar right
on top of the St. Kate's High Long.
Gonna get stunned from the egg that's how it can be safe.
Or was it the drinking buddies?
Who knows what the hell's happening anymore.
They kill off yet another.
Despite being doomed, Yuma gets the triple,
and they're gonna get more fried chicken.
And that is a huge team fight for heroic.
In two ways, they don't have anything like it now.
You know, nothing.
They have three farming foes.
It's a big advantage.
Start Mega gonna get jumped will be worth a lot of money if they can get him
He's not gonna be the easiest target, but they've got so many heroes around
He's just siphoning truth though now the black hole and the hook shot it just holds everyone down
They can't kill it
They got him one time, but that was about all they got
If you came losing pike was looking for the last one it dragged back in my room instead and just gets three shot
All onto the Embers grid.
Lorinov is in some danger.
He's not gonna be able to get out.
Frank, he's trying to refresh and get the second Black Hole.
But the AOE do this.
It prevents the Ursa from doing anything.
The second Black Hole emerges.
They've got absolutely everybody.
Dume is just running around inhibiting everybody
from miles from doing anything.
the monster forward and now they isolated the terrible blade, Gyataro,
who does manage to get off the Sunder, much of what he finds as fun as he needs,
yet he does, he puts out quick, Snake equals to wait him in the grave very shortly,
and Gyataro is just mowing through these heroes, getting out the right clicks,
but he's still dying himself, he's so low, he already expended the Sunder,
and now he's gonna return to life without access to an Aegis,
and also no matter if they want to keep fighting this,
but no, Panto actually blinks forward the Overgrowth,
Long is in the code with the Crozier getting in the additional damage, helping Vajra to bring down Malry.
Now Amar, BKB pops the EZ to get the hell out of here. Yathura will refresh, pop the Metamorphosis again. Amar...
Oh!
Central not here.
N'Gal, Barstrike is out. N'Kort, you adapt. Those clouds make it happen for long.
He doesn't care, but he's the global size, still long. Long of silence, as well with the red moon.
He's gonna ride the Zip TP away, he's gonna make it.
Greetings, Dota fans, and welcome back to PGL Valahia Season 8.
You saw there on your screens all of the group stage games, they're done.
We're in the playoffs now, we're only talking about potential winners.
And speaking of winners, we've got a bunch of winners on the panel.
Not me, I'm Richard Lewis, your host, but never won anything in my life.
However, these guys are the greats.
We have, of course, Jenkins looking very dapper today, sipping from a goblet.
That is coffee, because we're all absolutely exiled.
That's Kyle.
They go wreck this PGL sound guy, revenge for everyone in Twitch chat there.
But of course, a real winner, someone who's won Dota games, Dota tournaments.
Sometimes.
Sometimes, yeah, but won at life in general.
It is we are.
How are you boys doing today?
Doing great this fine morning.
How about you, Jenkins?
I'm doing fantastic.
It's the first time there's been two South American teams
in the Wallachia playoffs since season two and that was that there wasn't all the best teams at that
one you know so that that's the one that has a lot of building the strength of the Valahia brand
everyone knows what my building but now it's serious business so when we it's the first time
and so essays back this is the story of that serious business let's take a look at the Swiss
a brackets does of course a reminder it is the best format in all of esports you you win
three you're through you lose three you're out you go into a double elimination bracket
but it went right down to the wire for some of these teams and I'll tell you I'll get the mouse
talk out of the way amazed they made it to the last day all things considered not a real lineup
dead team walking so to speak but Lorinoff nearly did it nearly did it again the ultimate
king of the standings game a legion we covered that on the panel yesterday you've got a
shed a tear for NA every time you think wow they're getting their shit together we have
close but no cigar they could have done so much better i'm i'm disappointed but obviously there's
a lot of other teams as well like tunra for example just bombed out yandex previous winners yep
zero three to go to show you never know how surprised me pretty surprised it's pretty
yandex since they won the last season and they came in from second place yeah the last
That's relevant, yes sir.
Even Spirit was...
Spirit was struggling.
Like struggling, right?
It's still struggling, right?
I mean, it's gotta be said, talking about Spirit,
obviously for everyone at home,
if you are just joining us in the playoffs,
no collapse on Spirit, it's a big miss.
Yeah. But still, I would have expected them
to be a little bit more comprehensive,
but also as well, one of those teams,
they can just level up whenever they want, I feel like.
Yeah, for sure.
It depends, especially when you have a team like Spirit,
or I feel like there's something to that team
that makes them, whenever they get a new player,
whether it's a stand-in for a small duration of time
or a new player, like, you know, Satanic joining the team,
they still have the same identity,
which I think is really, really cool.
Like, if you watch this series
and you look at Spirit's movements within the series,
their positioning in the fights has improved a lot.
It looks like the Maposhka iteration of Spirit.
Obviously, you know, minus the crazy,
collect-like-collapse factor.
And that roster is always going to have a special place
in the hearts of a lot of, you know, Dota fans.
But the way that they play fights looks like Spirit,
even though, like, it's essentially a bunch of new players
and then a stand-in as well.
So it's really, really cool to see you just
master class-scene fighting from these.
I mean, obviously, we were watching it back
from the comfort of the hotel, but what a series this was.
It was a 75 minute game, right?
Yes.
But you...
The longest game in the tournament,
we'll talk about what that might mean in a moment,
but I mean, I don't know,
I love both of these teams, you know?
I wanted both of them to be there in the playoffs
and watch them move forward,
but they really left it all out on the mat.
Yathro does shine in these late game scenarios.
He is the late game player for me.
And Ani vs Yataro is the classic at this point.
Yataro seems to be getting the better of Ani.
Do you think Yataro is top one player of all time in Dota?
Like, what would your top one be?
Cinder instead of Puppy, which I think also that makes sense.
But Yataro is in the conversation for sure, right?
Puppy's had a longer career with great achievements for sure.
And now as a coach we're about to see him maybe win even more.
But Yataro, on the other hand, he's just been very stable, always at the top throughout these years.
He's been playing, he won TI twice, Riyadh. I mean, he's got great achievements under his belt.
I think we've got a content piece going. I was talking to Cinder in about it yesterday, where he had to pick his personal best in each position.
I think he had Yataro on that, so I mean...
That's the number one carry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. That's the best.
What can you say? Also as well, we were talking about game length.
just quickly. If you're at home and you've got a intrinsic sense of timing, you're not
wrong. This has been a lot quicker. We're on about 40 minutes average game time, the last
Valahia, where everything was at 2-1, all the games were 60 minutes, it felt like the
average game time there was 43 minutes. Doesn't sound much longer in the context of things,
but three whole minutes longer average game is crazy.
Oh yeah, that was the walkie we had the day where Liquid beat the record for like the longest day of eSports.
They started in the morning, won a series, had to wait out a series, and then had to play a series after that.
Oh my god, that was brutal. I think they just released a video on that actually.
Oh, I'll have to check that out for sure.
Why don't we jump in?
On that subject, I do feel like the games are going to get longer because when you come into a tournament, group stages, where you try things out,
some teams tilt, some teams are very confident, and then play-offs start, the game changes a little bit.
You kind of like start playing a bit more safe and it tends to like drag out the games a bit more.
You don't take the risks of going high ground without the ages, forcing bad fights.
Teams usually tend to like play a lot safer and then games should go higher on average.
We're going to play a game with you Weihar because you're new to our panel,
what we did on day one we all picked three heroes we thought we're going to be in the
matter.
I'm bringing it back guys, listen we have to take our licks if we're wrong.
Now I will say out of the three of us, all Dommie Trihard looks to have done the best.
He was like the brode right there.
Lone Druid was a moonshot at that point that's so funny.
So he's done really well, I'll get mine out of the way, I'll just explain it to you Weehaw,
I thought Nightstalker might be prevalent because a lot of rundown support backline
heroes feel really good right now, I definitely thought this was PL's part as a carry and
I thought Primal Beast midline would just be really good, you know wave manipulation,
not a lot of bad matchups, total bullshit, I'm a 1k loser.
I also think you had a good prediction, I feel like Nightstalker should be picked
lot more often because we see all these like spirits mid lane queen of pain and
sparks they're very squishy and the supports nowadays they're they're not
the like hard to kill supports nice fucker can you vision and kill them right
now that's true and it's had a lot of success when picked yeah tournament all
right I do maybe I'm on the other hand though been nerfed quite hard so I can
it's been picked you are right about that it's been picked quite a lot but
not very successful we did see PL as well like satanic tried the tiny PL so
I feel like players are thinking about the heroes like these are the exciting ones people people want to try
I was going for the moon shots fyi. Yeah, no, I don't want to do this to you
But I'm gonna do it to your awkward and uncontested. This is not a quarter. It's just not the existence
I think that I still think that hero is someone's someone's gonna whip that shit out
That's like a satanic like guys pick me our court. No one be five
Yeah, it could be a nine-class thing I'm sorry with the loan druid, so I mean it's like it's a much better support and
I can tell you that yeah, I mean I think I think that here are going to the runes dropping a bubble on the rune
You're just like guaranteed to secure you can even just steal a water room. That's impact right there
I think it's I think it's all right. Yamaha's did play Pudge
And I think those were like the two games that they won one the other one they should have one
I was actually against South American rejects that game was just back and forth 15 K Goldie both ways so
It's a confident hero and he's lost too fast. It's so I feel like things don't really balance here right now
Yeah, we can also check him with the items. This is another thing. We've been talking about as the meta is set before our eyes
Your thoughts gentlemen on this one boots and bearing to the moon
93% weird on boots or bearing is insane. I
I mean, I mostly did the bad writer. Well, I was thinking that it's bad writer and we've had a lot of better months of this
I was gonna say I think the situations in which it's being picked like we saw it as on Bristol a spotted against
Viper Venom and it's like in that game if you get boots of bearing
You're just nullifying two heroes that are otherwise like very cancerous. So I think that one makes sense
It's not that many picks
Some of the interesting ones are like essence distiller 40 picks and 63% win rate is like legit
High for an item that's not expensive at all. This is a support item. Very good item
It's very cheap. It's like $1,000.75 if I'm not mistaken and it gives you vision on the enemies
And you can put it on the ground. That's to me. That's why because in the last patches
They've been trying to go away from this like site like bounty track not giving vision on of the enemy heroes
Now they just bring this item in
Make it cheap and you can put it on the ground
It's I'm surprised it's not being played all the more actually and bought a lot more
Harpoon had like a 76% win rate or something crazy. You also harpoon is a feel-good item
It feels so good, dude
I mean you're winning you're gonna buy the harpoon you're gonna finish it
If you're not you're probably gonna leave it on the echo and then go for maybe bikinis and stuff
So that's actually echo also bigger win rate echo also had a high win rate and which is which is kind of surprising
I guess because
Well actually, yeah, I don't know monkey tiny just like heroes. Here's right now
Tiny is the guy probably yeah, we can take a look at the playoff bracket as well while we continue our meta description
This is what's coming at you over the course of the day a reminder that it is indeed double elimination
So your favorite team in the playoffs does lose they have a second life. It's all good
You can see we're gonna be talking about the top two power vision
SA rejects were all gaming versus heroic the secondary team coming in. I mean, I don't know like maybe just every game here is awesome
Liquid Falcons, but boom spirit. These are all like classic encounters worthy of a final and
Yeah, you can see that's gonna be the order of the game on your screens
Which brings us nicely to talking about paravision versus SA rejects
And I think we'll start with the underdogs the essay rejects. We had
King jungles from heroic on the sofa the other day
He was joking about how it feels like lose to a team like that with no organization
No backing when you're wearing the heroic badge
But you know we had to tell him like as he knows, you know essay rejects are good
They're legit. They belong in the playoffs. They're pretty good. They've had a great showing so far. I do believe
They can beat Perry, but I gotta say, they just came from the series, Perry just came
from group stage against South American Regis, exactly the same matchup, and they beat South
American Regis.
The game they lost, because it was a 2-1, was against a lone druid in line class.
Yeah, we're going there.
But when they didn't have that, I have to mention, South American Regis only got
10 kills in both games they lost against Perry. They have been stomped the last time.
They'll keep it draft interesting though. Yeah, both of these teams actually have very unique picks,
you know, maybe on another meta. These wouldn't come across as like super unique, you know,
Enigma, for example, everyone thinks of this hero as a very good hero. It's only been picked
five times in this tournament. So it's actually quite off meta right now. But Frank is like,
He's a spammer for the Zero.
We have to mention the Kunka.
Dark Kudo is like the one guy that for some reason just insists if you give him Kunka, he'll take it.
He loves Kunka.
And the stuff that he does in the games, like...
I mean, he has always played kind of like an offlaner.
He just runs in like a crazy person, front lines for his team, like he's the first point of contact.
His team, whatever team he's on, they know that he's going to do this.
They play around it and they like counter initiate.
So he's been doing that a lot on Kunka, where he just builds like super tanky, satanic, BKB, runs in,
like it looks like they're going to get him, and then they just don't.
He, BKB, maybe exes himself, sends himself home, comes back and like turns around the fight.
It's very goofy and funny to watch, but like obnoxious to play against.
I played so much against this guy in pubs, Dark Mago, and he's always very aggressive.
He never stops, even if he's the lane, or he wins the lane, it doesn't matter.
This guy never stops. He's relentless.
And I think Kunkka is a hero that fits him well, because he can be that guy, he is naturally tanky, he is confident in the hero and he buys always damage items.
He never goes this magical like, I don't know, buying agonies, that thing, you know?
He just goes like physical damage, shadowblades, satanic details, AC. I love that from him. I love his confidence.
And if they're gonna do well, I think it's mostly based on the mid lane.
What's been going on with ParaVision? Because I feel like it was only maybe two
or three Valahi years ago. We were talking about this team as you know a
genuine contender to win the event and also they had this like crazy play
style where they would like just lock in you know a typical ParaVision draft
was like five heroes no stuns all run at you win in 30 minutes that's what
it felt like and I don't know if they've lost a little bit of their
identity or something but they haven't felt as potent for a while.
I think in group stage so far they've looked a bit shaky at times and then they look unbeatable.
It's so wild.
Birmingham, same thing, exact same thing, patch came out they looked flawless all of a sudden.
From what we've seen and heard in the interviews there is some, I don't want to say like
internal issues because it's not like that. It's more like they're working on
themselves. There's disagreements, there's tears that are happening and then
they're, you know, working together to repair those tears and I think they're
undergoing a process of like constantly doing that. They've got a psychologist
that they're working with. They're like they're talking, they're talking
about like how to communicate better, how to say like, hey you know we like
I don't like that you're doing this in the morning, you're having these
coffees and you think you're going to the corner and I can't smell it but I
could smell that what you're doing in the corner you know and could you please
leave the room when you're doing that. He's using you and I'm talking about me
obviously. I didn't want to say I didn't want to say because he feels bad about
his parts you know but you know they're they're they're working on they're
working on things like communicating with each other and I think that just
causes like sometimes there's a little bit of tension in the game sometimes
there's stuff like a lone druid support being picked because they're
trying to figure themselves out but I really hope that they can do it
And from what it's looked like, as you said,
we like, they have figured it out coming into the end
of the group stage here.
I was watching last night from actually
South American reject perspective there.
You know, I was watching Frank.
It's like, what's my boy Frank up to?
And you know, here he's executing a gank onto S cubed.
And then all of a sudden, oh, no one's there.
Okay, I'm gonna walk back to the direction
of safety of my tower.
Oh, they're satanic.
Okay, well, I'm gonna walk back the other way.
Okay, Dukals is blocked out.
Nine classes coming in from the right.
And sometimes you're just watching these top tier teams.
This reminds me a lot of Aurora when they were at peak
and you have these ganks that they're executing.
They seem to be coming from all angles.
And I wanted to show how they do that
without losing farm or map control.
So here we have no one, eight minutes into the game.
First pushes out the lane, secures the room,
gets the shield rune.
He moves his camera around a lot.
He sees just the teepee from Queen of Pain.
He doesn't even see the fight as it's progressing, he just says that TP has been committed, so I know that Queen of Pain is locked in here.
He TP's, the situation does not present itself where he can go in automatically here, so he waits, he waits until the opportunity presents itself with Frank, and also what else is he waiting for?
Satanic on the bot lane, also moving his camera, sees the TP,
Q's the wave, pushes the wave out so he's not going to lose any creeps for doing this.
Casually commits to the portal and you can see that he's watching no one like lingering around there.
So there's some really good communication here.
Dodges the tower vision, dodges the creep vision, and then comes in at this angle.
And I also watch nine classes and do calls perspective.
I don't want to bore you guys with five more minutes of essentially the same thing.
It's the same thing.
They're all doing their own stuff.
stuff, they efficiently wrap up whatever it is that they're doing. Nobody rushes in to the
gank. They just say, okay, a TP has been committed here. Queen of Pain is stuck here. Bristleback
is overcommitted. We're lingering in a position where we can go on them if we want to. Like,
we can delay this for long enough that everyone can show up and then boom, all of a sudden they
have the numbers, but they don't have the numbers in like a shit way, you know, where
you're wasting time or they're wasting resources by doing that. It's in a very
efficient way and like I said I could keep showing you this almost every single
gank that they've been doing in that series same thing they're converging
all of their heroes at once at a really efficient timing that's also synced up
with other timings and not wasting any resources on the map.
I want to add on to that is that when it happens in this matter like the voice
that you saw pushing the wave before TPing, Satanic as well pushing the
wave before TPing, that means they're very comfortable, the communication is
very calm usually when the team is stressed feeling under a lot of pressure you know that some like
bad coms some guys like tilting because he's dying then they make like these bad tps they don't
push out the wave they tp then the power is getting hit they're missing out on farm the
gang might not be successful but no these guys showed a lot of calm and it just it proves that
they're in a good state they they feel good right now and yeah i mean they feel they feel
Goods about nine class even when he's picking heroes that don't necessarily work
I think they feel there. Yeah, I think they feel better about him
He's making years that don't necessarily work. I know the whole team legit thinks this kid is a genius
You can see that South American rejects their drafts are on the right. They
Really struggled to deal with the zero pool like in game one
They have four bands one of them was on slaughter because the heroes just in but at triple s plays it amazing
three bands for nine class.
Then they pick laundry, you know,
Paravision gave them the freebie
there in the next game.
Three bands for nine class,
monkey IO Rubik.
And then in the third game,
three bands for nine class,
and then picking the enchantress
first to block pick nine class.
And then he picks the coddle.
There are some patches where
Paravision wants to do this
and they simply do not have
enough nine class heroes that
are strong and they can't do
it.
And to be honest,
that's when they really
struggle.
Their drafts don't look as
They don't have this like special sauce in the draft that other teams don't have but they for sure have it right now
I'm I'm really curious how other teams
Especially especially South American rejects after the series, but they couldn't figure it out
How do they adjust now? It is crazy to me that teams are targeting 9 plus. You look at Parry vision. They have
Satanic they have no one, you know, these guys like they're kind of scared when you play against them
certain heroes so they don't care about that they just targeting nine class and
it reminds me of somebody else from liquid a long time ago they were targeting
as well as a four position gh yeah liquid they always banned out his IO the
this is a very similar scenario I mean valve band out his earth shaker
essentially yes and keep in mind he had miracle at the time yes again you have
these like star players but all things can seem to care about is the four poles.
Well I think we've got a couple of greats you know playing the game right now I
mean you know and the thing Paribas you can do in any draft is flex any hero
into four that's why so many people want to take away the specialist picks I
guess. Once again three bands yeah one of them is targeting both the cows and
And then picking the Monkey King, taking it from him.
Basically the Night Picking, and Monkey's been one of the most contested carries of the tournament right now.
And these both teams, I feel like they can play it on 4.
I think I'm pretty sure Asoscofield will play it in pubs as well.
He's got to be able to play it. It's so up his alley.
Honestly, actually, that's something we didn't talk about.
In terms of like style of four position in the world, Schofield and 9-class are the most similar.
The other person, the only other person that I think can pull off this play style is Soxa.
But Soxa can also do the, like he's more the ranged guy.
Soxa can just do everything when he's like peak.
But that guy's floasted.
Yeah, that guy's floasted.
But Schofield's like this guy is gonna be in your base, you know, five minutes in.
Why is he there? You're chasing him.
You don't kill him or you kill him. It's not worth it nine glasses
Same thing occurs to go into your base as a monkey and just like literally sit put a water down
Oh, I'll just sit and kill you. He's gonna be level one at that 12 minutes in killing courage
I just wish clockwork was a little bit better right now. So we could see his clockwork. They do they do play it
I know yeah, they're still picking it. I I would love to see it. I know there's
There's some
That's a contentious issue among clock players because we've seen it and there's sometimes where we saw like speed
legitimately griefing with the Cogs because he would you know Cogs his teammate in and then get
rooted so he can't walk on the Cog to like lower it so his team can walk out so it can grief but
it also they do a lot of damage the the Cogs were Cogs. They went for Beast Rubik heroes I think
pair very well Beast can obviously go three lanes right now Rubik top support of the tournament
right now and South American Rejects they pick pangol into the Beast Master. I love this. I've
talked about this in the... Oh there you go. There you go. Come out finally. Put a pin. You are the
Mepo expert so come on. Waxler. We were literally just talking about this. Yes I love the pick.
I think there's a couple of dangers in the draft but if they manage to get rid of them
This guy will have a great time. Yes, this guy. There's all the three heroes
This is generally when you like start thinking about mepo that don't really do much against him
Pango used to be good in the past because of the shield crash
Depending on the heroes hit the more heroes the more shield you get now. It's a certain just a set number
So both all three heroes monkey ring and pango suffer against the monkey right now
So for the people that read the mepo changes and thought this is really complicated
I'm going to keep moving here in chat what what changed about Mipo in 7.41
Cuz I know you can get a basher on him now, right? So in 7.41 this hero got buffed quite hard
Now all the Mipos can use items. They all have the same items as the main Mipo
So basically there's almost no difference between the the Mipos and then you can basically share
cooldowns. Let's say you want to buy Daegon. You can use Daegon on any Mipo now.
Before you can only use it on the main one. And with the new items like
Consecrated Wraps, there's this new build going on with Sanjun Yasha, and then
you buy Consecrated Wraps, and then each Mipo individually has their own shield.
No, you're kidding dude. That is toxic. That is so toxic. So wait, if I get a
BKB, and I BKB one of the Mipos, all of the Mipo BKB is going cooldown, right?
they go and cool down yes they share cool downs but you can use it on any meeple
so yeah it's your target in one meeple the other guys yeah yeah yeah and then you go out you'll have
to go on another so is basher good then uh the way basher works and other like stat proc items
work right now like mouth from basher they split the percentage on the number of meeples
basher has a 25 percent and there's five meeples then each meeple will have a five percent chance
of bashing. So they actually they're not that good but evasion does not get split. So buying a
butterfly on a Mipo all Mipos will get the same amount. What I would love to see from
South American Rejects is an elder type and actually I think it's the best hero and the
counter to Mipo. I hope nobody listening from the guys who play pub against me.
But they went for the queen. Queen is great against Mipo once she gets the agonies.
Meepo doesn't necessarily suffer as much as Meepo's team does when Queen gets Agonyx.
You know also a very interesting thing about the...
Oh wow, they go for the Earthshaker counter, okay?
I don't like that.
Because of the Mega Meepo?
I don't like that because Meepo generally doesn't care about the sphere.
I believe it's a staple as a counter to Meepo.
You think, what can I do to kill the Meepo?
Let's pick Shaker. He always stuns, he always damage. The heroes got nerfed so many times in the past.
And on top of that, Meepo right now, with the build he usually goes, he does not care about Shaker.
Queen is the danger here. If they get to snowball on the Queen, and Queen doesn't get to aggro in his plus 2 items,
I feel like Meepo will literally take over the game and end it.
Queen vs. Pugna is interesting too, because previously Pugna really destroyed Queen with the Nether Ward.
But now you can get a blade mail on queen and you can use all of your spells and just insta kill the pugna
Because the blade mail reflects the nether war damage back to pug man. Oh, yeah
So you can like you can like destroy pug now with this one because he does not have anywhere near as much HP as you
Which what what will the earthshade could play them? This seems like an off lane, right? Yeah. Yeah
Well, actually, it could be a 4-pulse.
Yeah, it could be 4, right?
Yeah, I mean, Monkey is carry, right?
Yes, it seems like they want Monkey carry here.
So I believe Monkey carry queen made Bang-O-Fling 4 shaker, which is even worse against
people.
It kind of just does nothing, in my opinion.
Yes, you have the Fisher for you, he's done.
You have the Echo, but I feel like as a 4-pulse, you don't have enough levels
to do the damage.
I'm loving this Parry lineup right now.
I feel like we could just see the Mipo only and you would just be like, yeah, this is
me.
If I'm this Mipo, I'm going to be fiving this game and Invoker to back up.
That's a banger.
This is a great pick, especially against all South Americans who just line up.
All these five heroes, they suffer against Invoker.
His lane is going to be Queen favorite, but Invoker is just chilling.
He's going to get some levels in Quass, get some region on the lane, and then
he's going to have a lot of impact anyway.
kind of crazy as well because SA Rejects drafted there so fast it was
like they had an idea right away and then boom you throw a meepo in the mix
and all of a sudden it just looks like it's gonna be a real rough game for them
basically I'm gonna say I'm gonna see this if South American Rejects don't
deal with the meepo in the first 20 minutes of the game which basically
means taking over his map shutting down his camps maybe even blocking some
camps, maybe killing him, finding him in the jungle once or twice, they're gonna have a very hard time, very hard time.
If they can, they do have A.W. Stuns, they do have the Queen of Pain, you know, it's not like one of those
Mipo games where it's totally free, but that's because they didn't last pick it, right? They picked it, they
picked it third, like this was a confidence. Yeah, I love the confidence. This is, they just think
it's a genuinely good hero and that you can't counter it if you play to its timings.
And I agree. I think Invoker works really well here. It's really good against a lot of the other
heroes on SAVE Rejects. You have some good Cataclysm combos. As you know, we saw in the graphic,
I personally think Invoker is really busted. Like I had, I saw this like rank 300 Invoker
grandmaster spammer going for the shard that makes you do damage in the ghostwalk and then going for
the cataclysm. He was just walking around farming creep waves in viz, killing jungle camps, killing
heroes. Like there's a lot of really cool stuff you can do on this hero. I'll bring in our commentators
up there on the big screen. You know them, you love them. It is of course Suns, Fan, and Synran.
Nice t-shirt today, free from any food stains, Shannon. Thank you. We're evolving. What do
What do you think of this Meepo game?
I guess you don't get the cast a lot of Meepo's.
Did they pick it for Wee-Haw because this feels like a dream cast now.
It feels like they do.
Yeah.
I mean, Wee-Haw knows better than anybody what a good Meepo game is.
He says this is free.
Wow.
She's shocking that Meepo.
Excuse me, that Wee-Haw.
Yeah, you're basically a Meepo.
It would be fair.
He does have a chance.
Even on DC in the past, he had a very good track record of knowing when it was
a very good Meepo game.
Even against here is what you would think are relatively good counter.
I will let you weave that into your storytelling. The game is live gentlemen. Have a great cast
Thank you very much Richard very kind of you as we get into game number one between South American rejects and a pair of vision
there is the Mipo that we are talking about and
What counters this hero center and on the slab the things that I look at obviously the earth shaker
But as we have said it's gonna be kind of a low-level earth shaker
The pango can be a bit annoying the shadow strike ag seems like the biggest thing
But then you do have mega meepo to kind of pseudo counter that
Yeah, your thoughts. I mean, excuse me. There's a couple of things here. First of all, I don't know for a fact
How it interacts with me mega meepo will get to that in a second. Let's see if they're actually gonna fight here
Not the best fissure ever so not gonna lead too much
So obviously the reason the scepter is really crazy is that you put it on so many meepos
And once the shadow track expires you'd like make this aoe explosion around yourself
Which as we pointed out might be more dangerous for the teammates than yourself
But if you do that and then you mega me po I wonder if the shadow strikes are still running
You know what I mean on the mega me pose or if they get or if they get dispelled instantly you take the damage right away
That's what I don't know
I'm assuming they keep running when you combine the me pose and then they all explode on the mega me po and around it
I would think I don't think you just remove the shadow strikes from the game right like when you dispel them
They explode so looks like a demo mode situation here. Go ahead and disconnect. Give it a whirl. I'll not do much
Okay, I gotta pay attention here. This is really
it's a landing stage
i need to pay attention to you
i gotta pay attention to mepo because we need to see every second of this hero
so we can
criticize it
obviously the queen acts as a problem potentially
uh... pango is a mixed bag where he's really tanky against mepo but he's not
necessarily the biggest output especially as an offlaner
um...
and then i i don't know they didn't really talk much i think about the
interaction with monkey king which i think is one of the better carries
against mepo and also one of the better carries against nine classes
turns out. Wittz will grab that first blood together with Amisha. This change to Ringmaster
with the three Impellment Arts level one is something else with a hero like Monkey King,
you just keep chasing people down.
Yeah, but we're not seeing him all that often for whatever reason.
I think the hero is really good, um, but...
I mean, we talked about it the other day, but the souvenirs technically kind of get
worse that you're adding a fourth.
Yeah.
Because you're not getting as much consistency, but you do get the Unicycle, which is
extremely powerful. We've seen it do good things I think a single time ever in a
pro game but it looks awesome every time which is more important. And you know for
pro players morale is important and you're you're having fun. Yeah. When
you're playing. I actually do think that if this hero I mean maybe he's good
enough I don't know I feel like there's gonna be a change to how
souvenirs work if they want all of these to be on the hero. As another kill
Well, 9-class takes the tumble in the top lane, so...
Elmisho is just owning this lane.
Yeah, S.A.R. doing quite well. They're going to share the Sun Strike damage as well.
It's mostly just Elmisho is just beating 9-class really hard in the hero-to-hero matchup and
just outplaying him in the lane right now, and SSS can't really offset it very much.
So this is great news for the side of S.A.R.E.J. to start off, especially their top lane.
But it's not like the other lanes are going that poorly either.
We haven't talked about this yet. I think this is his best laning hero in all of Dota actually the Queen of Pain
I think his lane mechanics on this in particular are very very good
It's that or tiny that I'm looking for with him, but tiny made not really a thing right now to the same extent as it used to be
But I've been very positively impressed by his farm and his ability to dominate lanes on Queen
So he's doing well against Invoker relatively unsurprisingly of course
And down bottom they're getting enough on the shaker pangolin as well. This is not a good lane
Right just hands down not a good lane shaker fangirl, but satanic gets to the top lane
And that is gonna be the death of wit so make me a very early rotation on the meatball SSS taking quite a bit of damage
El Misha is gonna get telechem east by nine class
Very fire keeps them alive a little bit longer, but last right click should be enough
So two kills for para vision they get another and snare as SSS and satanic just completely surrounding skill field three dead
very early quotation from the position one I don't know if I've ever seen a carry
go through the gate earlier yes that's great minute like two two twenty two
thirty but what better hero to do it I mean that's why he's doing it oh he's
trying to go through the gate well wait he canceled why well he got boundless
truck oh yeah he's worried about the whip after of course nevermind yeah now
that the whip is not there on me show he's just gonna die
That's two colors comes through as well. Does anyone want to play bottom or I guess yeah, just push this you got the pugna now
All good. Yeah, Frank is doing a very nice job against these creeps here
I would argue this might not be as good as it seems because sure you do kill the ring master
But you lost two full waves on bottom on Mipo
So effectively when you're returning to this lane now pango is gonna be out leveling you and in addition look at this wave
It's also in his tower. So you're probably going to lose a tertiary wave here on the Mipo for your rotations
He's still top that worth and I think it was a good move overall, but if he had the choice in hindsight
I think he would have rather gone through the gate than get that last ring master kill
But he had no choice right if he keeps channeling the gate
They're gonna stop him with the weapon he might have died so he did the right thing gotten to the circumstances
But yeah Frank is super happy on off-lane pango with this. Oh, yeah, 20 CS minute for
4 and almost level 5. He's going to have an excellent game on Pango, or at least the
conditions for it, which is very good news, because it's a decent Pango game, I think.
The only real problem is Roar. Satanic is still top.
Yes, he is. They real hate for this ringmaster, it seems.
Satanic can continue to chase 9-class and help out if needed as well against the
telekinesis on the other side of the fissure, so Amishou gets to right again. So Satanic
killing spree three zero and one to start this game and it's going to be a tier
one tower at five minutes I don't think I've ever I can't remember seeing an
early game like this in like years this is a dream game this is very I mean
this is going to be such an odd game already now Mipo will be underleveled
shaker will have nothing but panko will have level six minute 530 in the
The rest of the game is quite normal, right?
But also, of course, Monkey King courtesy of being pressured so hard is also level 3.
He's going to go mid.
This is a really unexpected move for no one.
That is a dead invoker, so the position ones are rotating like we've never seen before.
Very entertaining.
I love stuff like this.
One of the more memorable games we've cast together for me in the last couple of years
was when Mal-Reen was playing mid-Monkey King in an impossible matchup, and he
just started roaming level 3 and never came back.
He's kept running from lane to lane.
I love when players get to show their creativity.
I think sometimes the game in the way that it works
doesn't necessarily lend itself all that much
to being really creative with like,
let's say something like tri-lanes
or juggling sometimes with a hero
or making moves of this kind.
So it's really cool to see when players kind of
force each other to think more outside the box
and do unusual things like gating at minute 230
on the carry and therefore the other carry
goes in ganks mid and I love this
because it's off-script.
Yep, it's not going by usual...
Yeah, exactly. That's your favorite.
Bring it up every time.
Satanic about to get ganked.
She'll crash to start things out.
Clips down the Earthbind as Ducalus makes his way over,
but it's not looking good for the Nipo,
although Frank never used his ult, apparently,
as he's now trying to get away
because the rotations have come in full force for paravision.
Nicely played there under pressure from Satanic.
He got two back-to-back Earthbinds during the wind-up of Rawling Thunder,
which is important because if he casts them too early in the animation,
he might actually have got the old off in the end,
but then Rubik's there for a telekinesis for the third delay,
and they actually do manage to get him out of trouble,
so well played there for par vision.
Yeah, I'm very curious about how this game's going to develop now
with this start on me, but so uncommon to see this.
Okay, it's not like he's morbidly underleveled either. It's fine. Like he's as a matter of fact
He's a level ahead of monkey king who's having a much worse time made everything that's happened
Yes, he is nine class not having a great time either as he will get dropped one and three star for him
Have it cast in voker yet on this patch and the the old eggs and shards are always gonna be the hot topic
So there in is there a go-to or is it kind of all over the place?
I mean, I still think cataclysm is generally the go-to, right?
For the shard, I'm not sure what he's going to prefer here. I think the EMP upgrade is really good this game against these heroes.
Monkey King, Pango, just having that little bit of a pull is really nice.
I would probably pick that, but like Jenkins was talking about, maybe there's some new Ghost Walk tech that's really powerful.
I just love the UI for this. I think the way Valve implemented that was beautiful.
Yeah, on the very cool period it looks. It's very intuitive.
Decalis spotted, SSS coming in from the tree line, gets the roar on to the ringmaster with the Sunstrike to follow.
He's dead, one for one, support for support. Frank coming in with the rolling thunder, finally.
Sonic wave right on top of SSS, just getting perma stunned here.
Do they have the damage? Yes, as Wittz makes his way over.
over level five position one monkey king nine class being pursued not by Frank
fissure just clips him it's really eager here actually want to keep going I don't
think so I would have been a little bit too crazy as a matter of fact okay they
can't reach him matter of fact he is fine so I said this before I'm gonna
say it again okay this Ags and Shard idea for invoker mm-hmm the next big
patch my wish is that happens for every hero I think that's awesome it's almost
like a facet that you're purchasing it so but then every hero needs to have
multiple options that's right syndrome that sounds like an insane undertaking if
you're a game designer it's your that is the most fun thing to do all right so it's
your dream but you don't think it's actually gonna of course not why would
I think it's just making sure here I don't know maybe if it goes if maybe
in a few years I could see it but no in the next year probably I think
I think giving every hero like 2-3 shards and scepters is an insane...
I mean they kind of did it for Agni's labyrinth, right?
Yeah.
Out of those ideas.
I guess so.
I don't know.
I think it's a little bit easier in a PvE game though.
Because then it's like it doesn't need to be that balanced, right?
Yeah.
Pugna.
In a bit of trouble, Tornado will help him out, Dark Mago will get the kill eventually
with the Shadow Strike.
What was that D.B.
I looked like he had two debuffs.
You're the analyst.
Maybe it's not the knife and shadow strike.
Oh that's the same debuff, right?
Does it have two icons on the debuff bar? One for slow, one for damage?
I saw the pugnest debuff bar when he was dying. He had two debuffs on him and I was like, what was the second one?
Was it a knife?
Oh, was it a knife? Oh, that's what you meant by knife. I thought you meant shadow strike.
Oh, okay. Yeah, maybe you're right. Maybe there was a knife too.
I was just...
At first glance, didn't recognize the icons, so I was like, oh, is this something new?
But...
I probably just... It's... It's early.
South American, reject.
Oh, see ya.
Oh, up.
Oh, Follis gets deleted.
Welcome back to the land of the dead immediately.
SSS in a lot of trouble now.
It's gonna get off the roar, but the Sonic Wave is there with the Wukong's command to follow it up.
Easy kill. Double, in fact, for Dark Mago.
And I can see SSS going for the Helm of the Dominator build of course, and we'll be going
for the Overlord as well.
Yeah.
I mean, SA rejects, I think, making a lot of successful moves, right?
Sure, six of the nine kills are on supports, but the only hero on the radiant who's having
a good game at this point, truly good game, is the Mipo.
Invoker had a bad lane matchup and doesn't recover that fast if he doesn't find
kills and I mean I'm obviously gonna defer to we house judgment when it comes
to me both but at first glance me I don't think this is like free free and
let's go if you will get combo tier if it was we had be free yeah for which team
though I don't know I'm just I think this game state for essay rejects as far
I'm concerned is good enough like we have said if they don't contend with the Mipo at all
He can 1v5
I don't know if it's that simple like if the other heroes are struggling enough that Mipo can just win this one himself
He is going Sondranyasha
First off so a lot of status resistance will be very good against shaker pango
And then he's going to go for the eggs so standard there is dragon last not a thing anymore
I just think Sondranyasha is too good. Oh
Oh, that must have been max damage needed from no one that was a half HP bar
325
340
He has kaya wait, why is that 340 on?
Yet the kaya right that's 10% spell amp and Sunstrike deals 325 so ours at 340. Let's do more math here
This is how we find bugs, Shannon, right a letter to Gabe.
This is how we discover that Invoker has been bugged for five years and dealing too little
damage.
Yeah, that's what we need.
A cataclysm buff.
Frank, gonna try to set something up.
They panic, shadow struck, and rolling thunder will meet him into the whip.
He's down the strike, sonic wave, the worst.
Try not to get any chances there.
Why would you?
Washcloth will easily take out the fellas now.
Oh, there's the bike! Did you see him?
I actually did not.
Oh my God, you're so fast!
Very sad to see that.
The Wheel of Wonder finally coming out of the nine class takes the tumble as well,
so three dead South American rejects.
We need a replay of that.
They specifically got the kill because of Unicycle.
You do not want to miss the Shannon.
This is your moment.
How did I miss the Shannon?
He went on...
He went really fast.
I mean, how can you go that fast on a Unicycle anyway?
Did we ever find out how fast it was?
still no source on that. Let's have a look here. So first of all, I think using Sonic
Wave here is kind of crazy. It's showing a lot of respect to a par vision. I mean, you're
like 4v1 here. Maybe you're hoping or anticipating some rotation. Look at your top right corner.
Here comes. Oh baby. That is almost bumped into him, but he got stopped. That is sick.
What happens if you run into them? I think he goes to just get knocked off. It should
stun them. I'm on board with that. Because if you get attacked, like they can easily
stop it. I genuinely don't even remember what it does. So I think it just knocks
you off just like if you hit a tree or something. SSS being pursued by three
members of South American rejects. Looks like he's gonna stay alive as Frank is
now having to run away because reinforcements for paravision finally
coming to beat. Axes continuing to do a lot. Wits on the treeline with the
battle on strike to slow this down. Frank yeah another swashbook coming up
so we'll be able to get out of the diffusal now.
It's Satanic though. Okay, Frank's sticking around. Earn charge on him. Now he's gonna use the rolling thunder.
There's the Echo Slam onto the Mepo, Frank. Not the best route, but he finds eventually the Satanic kill.
And that is all you can ask for. He is still alive on this trickle of HP with the shield crash. Now into the
battle is Double Kill for Frank, who is staying alive throughout all of this.
ParaVision can just not finish off this pango that they left alone against creeps for 10 minutes.
Shocking development, SSS. Sonic Wave reserved for him. Another kill for South American Rejects. A 4 for 2
Disgusting display.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting to see this. I mean my experience playing with and against Mipo.
A lot of the time Mipo just doesn't interact with the game at all until he has eggs. Like sometimes you just farm jungle
until minute 20 and
And, uh...Satanic is choosing to be very active.
No one's gonna find a nice solo pick here to stem the bleeding a little bit, but he's trying to be very...
Or choosing to be very active on the Mipo, but it is costing him.
This is two deaths now, and it might not sound like the end of the world when you're getting these trade fights,
but this hero really much is a hero that wants to play from ahead.
And he's even with QWAP, and he's only 1k head of Pango.
I wonder if this would have been better from Satanic to just not fight at all.
Like just farm. If your teammates create space and make distractions.
Okay, I'll just see if there's playstyle though.
Looks to be dead.
Yeah, he's very dead, man.
Full snap sets it up as well.
So yeah, how close is he to the agonim scepter?
Not very.
That's the SMY.
That's the SMY 3K, almost.
Yeah, that is quite a bit.
And for no one, he's had the meteor hammer for a bit now.
And what does he have coming out of the courier?
He had Octorine, who's a travel.
Okay, he changes mine from Octorine then.
So going for the split push potentially,
considering that maybe they feel like they're a little bit behind now.
Travel's into flight, I mean it's very good to play with Beastmaster with Travels.
This super feels good item.
It's gonna travel top and gate bottom.
This is a very cloaked play,
like you're not gonna expect this from the side of SA Reject,
rejects unfortunately for no one
there's only monkey down here and he's
probably not gonna try much so a lot of
waste of time will keep him at the
bottom of the net worth can we call them
SAR? SAR yeah isn't SARs a disease
yeah I was going to say that's singular
so maybe it's okay and it's cold snap
onto wits and the meteor will be
used to decorate the ground a bit for
no one messed up right he stopped his
meteor hammer? Maybe he thought he had ATOS already. Well, I think he just interrupted his own hammer, no?
Hmm. It didn't go off. All right. Okay, how early morning? Oh, that was a unicycle. Oh!
Unicycle sighting.
Imagine if Rubik could steal the souvenirs. He can't? I don't think so. That's stupid.
If he could, you could have bike on bike action. You could actually have a traffic accident in the river.
What happens if two unicycles collide without anyone seeing?
I really hope if that were possible, there's a scratch.
You hope for a crash. Interesting.
You know, there's people out there that've watched Formula One like that, right?
Yeah, that's true.
Wouldn't surprise me if you're one of them.
To be fair, it is really fucking boring.
My brother loves it, though.
Yeah, that sounds miserable.
Smoke on both sides, actually running away from...
from...
...SAR?
I don't feel right saying that.
Really?
S-A-R?
Yeah, that's fine.
I've been saying South American rejects every time.
It's just too much.
Call them rejects.
It's all good.
Actually, yeah, I will.
The rejects.
It sounds like a movie.
Let's go field.
One of the rejects is going to go high ground, gets the stun off, though,
his whips from above, gets the balance strike.
The other one, it gives a little bit of space.
So one support dead.
Hero Roar go up onto the rolling thunder for Frank,
who's also one of the rejects onto the reject team
for the dire side in this game.
Okay, important info.
They got out alive on all of them, on the side of Regix here.
It's kind of impressive that they suffered zero casualties.
They only get the pugma, not the biggest of deals, and of course, while this is happening,
Satanic will be free farming, and this is what I was expecting a bit more of, less involvement
and just more jungle time.
Axe is complete in a hundred gold.
This is when this hero really transforms, but I just...
of Pain is keeping up pace so well here that I'm not really all that worried for
for Rejects here about the upcoming Tormentor slash Roshan timing. They have
what it takes to fight. It's basically perfect that he's getting his
axe as Mega Mipo is coming out, because this is like a mega ramp up in power
for both heroes simultaneously. Mipo usually really tramples the game when
he has this kind of power spike ahead of everyone else, but it's on par. So
So keep your eyes on Dark Mago.
Keep your eye on the box.
It has been tornadoed.
It has been sun-stricken.
It has been killed.
Nice kill there.
No one will use beater hammer to finish off this tier one now.
Time it did go off.
There was less pressure.
He was less nervous when it was being used on a tower.
Understandable.
So, all right.
Timing approaches.
20 minutes.
Oh, right?
What the hell he?
A vision there I guess.
Okay.
I mean he saw Rubik blink away.
Rubik has stolen Blink, so one of the best spells to have in this game.
I'm just surprised he uses Roll. This is kind of a big deal.
You could argue that par vision with the information that Roll is down could just take the Torm.
That's an aggressive Blink from Dark Mawgaw, but everything's a retreat.
Did it just take Torm? No Roll? Is that enough? I mean, you have Meepo? I think so.
Alright, they're just... that's... okay, I really didn't like that rolling thought.
thing that it doesn't connect, I mean whatever, you make mistakes, but the timing of that choice
is what bothers me here. This is a fight that I think Rejector would love to take with their axe
pop reveal, but now it goes for free to far vision and you're not trading for Roche because your
lineup is mediocre to say the least of killing Roche on. Is this still the same shard it is?
Not great, as they find a connection onto the queen of pain, deafening blast, the box
will save him as the knife does hit to nine class.
Wheel of wonder off to Satanic, pretty good, into the sonic wave, but the air shaker is
still dead.
So now, Rejectx on the run, SSS looking for a primal roar target will not be found.
All set and done, now we have a 2K lead for par vision.
That is of course the Tormentor and now Roshan becomes the next prime objective any Mipo lineup that is
The objective
Okay, I actually want to go in here rolling Thunder very aggressive Frank using the roll up as well
No one he gets
Inhibited by the diffuser blade and Frank again kind of a wasted rolling Thunder
Now this could set up the Rosh
If they get Tormentor off of one wasted roll and then Rosh off the other this is just not okay
It's... and that does seem to be the case.
Baravision, would you like another objective, sir?
Electable.
Okay. I don't know. Feels a little bit... rushed from Frank here.
He's having a really good game. I don't think he needs to be Superman.
Just played for the right opportunities together with his teammates. Doesn't have to force moves.
I will say, he started out as the top net worth for a bit.
He's bottom net worth of the cores. I just switched with invoker really good timing. No one come on now
Make me look like a moron. Oh, that's not no one doing that. Come on. No one
Yeah, click a creep God's sake
Use your Midas
Made you look I missed the night did not actually
I do miss Midas and over I
Feel like he benefited from the level so much. That's just not yeah, it's good
The levels was the main part for Invoker.
I mean, who even buys Midas now?
It's only the heroes that interact with it.
In terms of like...
I guess Doom is the only hero that buys it that doesn't interact with it
in some sort of...
advantageous way, like Arc Warden or the ones that copy it, basically.
I think...
And that's the key. It's just a hard item to balance, right?
You don't want it to be useless, but you also don't want it to be overpowered,
so everybody's just buying Midas.
What was the XP boost? It was 3x?
Uh, it wasn't that much, I think. It's 2.5, I think.
Okay, so make it 1.5.
Yeah, I guess. It could have some...
Or just get more gold. I'm fine with that. It's El Misho.
Gonna get roared in Sunstrike Dead.
This hero pairing is going to only get scarier over time as Cataclysm.
Probably at some point becomes a consideration, but no one's actually going EKB first, as it looks.
Playing the slow game on Invoker.
I mean, I guess he doesn't have the most obvious setup for Kata, except Roar, so he can Kata
one hero.
Nice try there with the Distiller.
9-class almost clipped the monkey, flying around.
It's a very good item against that hero.
No connection made.
How long does it last on the ground?
Is that how we tried to use it?
I think he was trying to clip the monkey in the trees to get vision over him, right?
It lasts eight seconds, I believe.
When you cast it on the ground, 15 seconds.
15, that's a pretty long time.
Yeah, I think that's a cool item.
I could see.
I mean, we see it in games
where there's no obvious target as well.
They don't necessarily only buy it for a special cost.
I think for now it just feels like
just a good item pretty much no matter what,
which maybe is too good,
but I don't think it's egregious or anything.
Hey, whoa, the unicycle, he needs to learn to drive on me, so that's why he's on rejects.
He got rejected from driving school, driver's license has been rejected, revoked, sad.
Well, as an avid biker myself, I can tell you, driver's license is not necessary to
ride a bike.
That's a good point, Cinderan.
If anything, but it is a unicycle.
I feel like you need some sort of certificate, at least.
While you at least need carnival you at least need to learn to bike like blitz you need
That is a really old-school reference
Oh
Earthbind which is gonna have to use the wukong's command and he stay alive here is the question
Nobody else there by the invokers coming though
A little bit of micro from satanic no one in the tree line
gets the tornado, beautiful balance strike doing quite a bit, but there's the deafening
blast, he can no longer attack, and wits will fall. Did require no one's services though.
That took them so long. And actually no one arguably tornadoed a little bit too early because
he let him get the Jingu stack first, or rather he did not let him get the Jingu stacks first
before he nated, but we do get the job done and of course there was an Aegis to
back it up anyway and this Aegis will likely expire so all in all doesn't really matter
all that much he was just so far away from anybody else there on which connection
onto pugna the palace is goodbye I get smoked goodbye what is pugnas innate now
still the it was the one that you chose it's both you can cast spells and use
items while channeling and you get the spell amp per destroyed town yeah so
you basically got the one that people generally did not take among the fastest
Which was the tower bonus the one that was almost always taken in pro. I think that one's kind of
Maybe this is lame to say I think it's kind of interesting actually, but not on a support
Hmm, it makes more sense that this was more core oriented, but we only see its support unfortunately
Which I do miss the days of like pug in the mid. Mm-hmm. It doesn't have to be like the staple
But should be able to throw it out every once in a while
Yeah, you don't have the healing never word anymore, which was the one that basically was taken every year
Tier two tower for paravision. Their H is about to expire. Do you think they got they don't really get much out of this?
It's decent. They're in okay. They're in a pretty good spot on the map
I think 4k gold isn't perhaps the dream position
I think they would have liked to be a little bit more ahead than this in theory, but it's good enough
As long as as rejects don't get to find a good team fight before the next ages
I think you're not all that worried try to high ground with the next one. Meepo has completed his Scotty
So is there a
That was the right way.
Nipo before would hit a ceiling and then just drop off a cliff.
Does that still exist, or is it a little bit more fluid now?
It's more fluid.
The hero has more game potential than it did before, mainly courtesy of Mega Nipo being
introduced to the game.
Have you even seen him use it yet?
No, I don't think so.
But you have to buy it.
It's just mandatory item on the hero.
I'm trying to decide who I like better if this goes to like 50 plus minutes, because like
Mipo will not be as powerful then, he'll still be useful, compared to old days.
But then you have Invoker and Beastmaster, who are like two late game monsters, right?
Yeah, like late game is like double roar, double cat-a.
Yeah, but at the same time on the dire you have, I think Queen of Pain is one of
like the, if I had to pick a top five late game hero, she's on that top five.
So you have that, and I feel like Ultra Late Game Monkey King also scales very well.
And Shaker is one of the X-Factor true late game heroes where as BKBs go lower, the value
of stuns goes up massively, and you can't refresh BKB anymore.
So a hero like Shaker actually has way more potential late game because you can now
meaningfully outlast the BKBs and actually do something where in the past some hero
engages with BKB on, then they refresh BKB, and then you have to wait for 12 seconds
do anything. Now it's only seven. I'll also say Rubik's late game is also discussed. True.
Yeah, there's a lot of potential. Our vision are getting a lot more out of the map right now
though. They're just playing way more effectively. This isn't mainly objective gold. They're just
getting way more farm. Nipo is in multiple places at once and the Rejects are very concerned
about formation. So they're playing very tight together and of course that means
you're not farming as much. So they need to find a fight then. If they're going to play this
this many heroes together at all times. If you're not fighting, you're losing. So look
for trouble.
You're not first, you're last. It's a great Ricky Bobby used to say. You probably don't
know that reference at all.
Oh, it's basketball.
Nope.
It's a movie.
Oh, close enough. That was my second. That was my second. That was the only option.
Going to be spotted. Downless strike. Echo slam. Sonic wave. The works. He gets
off the mega meatball, but it's not enough.
Big kill.
And Roche, unfortunately, for rejects 30 seconds from even knowing when that is.
Well, Satanic thinks they have another ward than they do, so he pinged it out incorrectly.
So they're probably also going to keep this ward in the radiant jungle for the next three minutes.
So, good news for the side of rejects.
And Parvizion most likely are going to do absolutely nothing until Satanic spawns.
They should be playing defensively here.
But instead, the Colossus offering himself off in the river.
Getting aggressive, but SSS comes in with a nice roar into the life, drains some strikes,
Knacken actually does get onto the box.
The boundless strike now, which joining the party, SSS, trying to get out, but he is going nowhere but the grave, three dead for Paravision.
I feel like they are just, with Mipo dead I think they're just too far out on the map here.
This is, it sucks to play super defensive and kind of hide behind your towers, but the power level when Mipo's down, you just don't stand a chance of controlling the map.
And if what happened happens, you're gonna bleed out heroes.
You just need shaker or pango or whatever to run into literally anything,
and you're just getting free kills here.
They're not gonna be hesitant.
I mean, Skofi would never do this if Mipo were alive.
He's just blinking up on the high ground blindly, knowing he has protection.
Invoker trying to save from the top left with a tornado,
but Frank still gets in, and this fight's already lost.
So I think kind of just throwing away 3,000 gold there or 4,000 for no gain.
I think this is a pretty big blunder from Parvizion.
Huppie's not going to be happy.
Nope. Sharpeny is Miss Shetty as we speak in the background.
I'm actually hearing the grinder from here.
Oh, that's what that sound is.
Yeah, that's right.
I thought that was you clicking your mouse.
No, no, no. It's his grinder.
There's nine blasts being pursued now.
Fissure holds them in place.
Easy, easy. Pickens for the rejects.
Butterfly now on line 0 for Satanic.
The question is, how fast can Wits get an MKB?
That's 2K in the bank right now.
And does he want it? That's the other question.
You don't think so?
I don't know if he should be itemizing to kill Mipho, or to kill everybody else.
It's not like MKB is bad against anybody else.
No, I mean it's okay. I'm just, I'm thinking...
A nullifier would be pretty safe there.
A nullifier is really good against Pugna, and you could maybe consider just some more stats.
I think something like Scotty is actually also really valuable in a game like this.
If you can survive the first initiation of Paravision, if you can survive the Rorakata or getting jumped by the Mipo,
Monkey King is an equilibrium hero in late game, right? If you have enough tankiness, you have two health bars.
So, there's a lot of really major value. I wouldn't even mind seeing...
I mean, you probably don't buy Satanic in this slot, but I think Satanic in the next slot after whatever he's getting now would be good.
No one, I mean, we hyped up this Axe and Shard, and he's done for neither.
He's getting a Sheepstick now.
Surely he'll get Axe at some point, when he's six-slotted.
And we have a Smoke on both sides, so this could be a turning point in the game.
Roche available now.
Scans are out, I don't think they've made any connections.
Let's go field.
Really good positioning here for 9 class.
Really nice.
He's going to break the smoke.
Yeah, they're going to go on to 9 class.
He is dead.
Let's have Bayevac if they really want to fight.
I thought he was going to stay in the tree line.
It seemed like his read was that they were coming and he was going to break the smoke
with Glimmer in the tree.
He might want to fight.
Frank's ult is down.
They have Sheepstick now for no one, which I don't think Rejects know about.
This is just going to be a single kill.
It's not the end of the world.
I think 9-class just gave in to temptation to go and fatebolt the wave, but in essence, he was in a very good spot there in the trees, still.
It's A-OK, he dies instead of his teammates, the smoke is used.
And we are approaching.
It's respawn, and then surely there's going to be some big fight over this roche.
If, I would say, if Reject gets this Aegis, I would favor them to win the game off of that, whether they get to use it or not, I think this timing for Mipo is really important.
No one gets the opening, he gets boundless struck though, the Coltsnaps gonna hold Skowfield in place to tornado and now to surround tactics.
It's a pretty easy one for paravision. That's 50 seconds, that could be Roche just like that.
Exactly, that's why this is such a good find. They need to get to work though, there's one minute before Roche on move so they have to start it now.
And now the question is, can we get some delay from...
Did they spot it?
Don't think so.
There's an arcane rune though, for no one. That is filthy.
They look like they want to fight 45.
They find no one, he's already at half HP, he pops his BKB and just dies.
And just like that, the rest of Paravigio now on the run,
you see the Shatter Shrike with the Agnes after on the Satanic,
along with the Sonic Wave.
Frank is there, the Mega Mipo all in one.
Special as they get the roar finally onto the Queen of Pain.
Dark Mago blinks out now with the BKB,
Wheel of Wonder directly on the Mega Meeple as Satanic gets dropped.
SSS next on the list as four dead for ParaVision.
Uh-oh.
Despite not having the Earth Shaker, the Rejects still win the fight easily.
It means everything to find no one there.
And he's gonna be kicking himself because he can play his idea probably from his perspective.
A nice try from Nine Class to steal here with the Tree Dance.
more than familiar with treed ends of course playing that on rubik but didn't
get the steal he got the banner that's at least something from no one's
perspective you know shaker is dead and survived before so I think he wanted to
have an offensive position to see the rotation in and then go for potentially
a better fight or some meaningful scouting you're gonna see the replay
here but they have the info and the vision on them and they get to kill him
before he gets the escape if this if he was on the left side of the
Roche pit and he doesn't get initiated on with a totally different following sequence.
Alright, let's see. He's gonna mega Mipo. Does he take this? Oh, I think all the screams went off.
I think they went off. Look, it could be a visual thing only, but I think they all went off. I think so, too.
That's okay. Maybe not as
good of a counter as I thought is in the Mipo countering the co-op. I think the matchup for Queen is just fine.
That is some despair right there.
there. What is 9 class thinking? To tag this image. Was he thinking what are we doing?
Why did I listen to Weha? Why?
I wonder if he was disappointed with himself there or with no one. Or both.
Yeah, true.
But clearly not. Feeling himself right there.
He's just going to go on the Monkey King and he is indeed going for the nullifier.
complete the finalist can have a data list too so with swing his options no
okay there this flying out so Puck not not gonna survive anymore Rubik not
gonna survive anymore if he jumps them doesn't really do anything against the
other heroes though
I have to say, looking at this, uh, I don't know if- oh, hang on.
He's dead on the show.
Poor observer.
I was having fun with you.
Yeah.
It's okay.
No one gets a kill.
Um...
Interesting to see DiCala not go for Lens.
I feel like Pugna is one of those heroes that I would argue almost needs the item,
He's going force-glimmer into pipe of all things pipe. They want protection against queen. It makes sense
It's just it's a real feels bad for pugnit to play without lens because range is just such a big
Yeah problem for this guy, especially later in the game. You need positioning
So I think the Colossus has the hardest game out of anyone in the server to play now
It's just so difficult to get value out of your spouse playing to nullifier
You don't have cast range and your hero got nerfed. I mean
pretty rough. See if you can make it work though. I mean realistically what's
his best play now? Probably stand back. What about a kinesis to open things up?
This is an ages-carrying monkey king of course. Let's go field.
Let me say Tannick in place. It's the Wheel of Wonder. They have everybody here
trying to get the Mega Mepo off, but the Wheel of Wonder holds him in place.
Finally he goes off and now he's very very healthy as Dark Magal wants to
continue the pressure. That's just gonna be a casual TP out for say Tannick.
They lose the Earthshaker as SSS, oh there's a haste, just nearby, not gonna be able to find it though, so it ends up being a trade.
That was.
Fork for Offlane.
Super clutch from 9-class, I hope we get a replay of that.
He saved Mipo's ass big time.
He was TPing out with the Mipo, Monkey King was mid animation on the stun coming out of the Aegis and 9-class gets an instant telekinesis cancel.
I feel like he's fine now.
Super important.
If he gets TP canceled, I don't know. I feel like they could have chased him down.
Hp
And if the soundtrack is satanic wants to continue the pressure here
Those stuff are gonna keep them alive a little longer as satanic that's instagib. Was that a shadow strike? Oh
My god, we need a replay of that. That was filth incarnate
Holy shit
This game is so stupid sometimes, but fuck me pro though
You know what feels bad about that. Oh my god. Oh, yeah, I like to watch Jesus
And now the hydrant attempt for the rejects and we're gonna see the replay. It's more important
Okay, just look because we could
How does it work? So he's in non mega Mipo gear. Yeah, so the shadow strike on all four, right? Yeah
So they're all gonna explode and that means he takes. Oh my so so what's that?
So he takes four shadow strikes on each or four screens on each of them, right? Yeah. Yeah, that is so disgusting
No one's regretting life decisions here. Why did we listen to we hop?
Well, that's one lane for rejects and now they are in the driver seat 15 K lead
Very very comfortable now
I mean this is effectively in old though that this game was over right because Mipo just wouldn't have any timing anymore and
And under many circumstances now, it's obviously bad by all means it's bad
But it's extra bad because of quap as we just saw illustrated there
This isn't just any 15k lead against the Mipo. It's with one of the best counters and one of the best late gamers
Dark Mago is almost level 27
That's pretty good
Yep pretty good and he has the he has the 25 talent for a blink cooldown reduction
So 3 second cooldown on blink with Octorine Core,
means he can almost effectively chain silence.
He has a 1.75 second silence every three seconds.
He's insanely tanky.
Are you surprised he went for that over the other one?
Not really.
I think it's really good this game.
You want to just keep silencing Nipo,
you want to keep silencing the supports.
I think it's really, really strong here in the end.
He's just not going to die, right?
4.5K health, bloodstone, axe.
he's so decked out once he getting nice is there she was yeah he has a she was
oh my god he's six-slotted like fully six-slotted this isn't just one of the
mistreads he's he's starting to replace his item
yeah he changed his mind or what he changed his mind away from she was
he's going linkins instead all right so I'll say it usually we don't bring it
up because spotlights kind of met against me ball mischance
Pretty good, the roar on the Dark Mago. How much HP do you have? Do you need any more?
Deathly blast on top of him, pops the PKB, and Satanic gets Sonic waved. Where the hell did he end up?
The Megamepo was activated. Did he take it?
He dug indeed.
He stays alive a little bit longer, but SSS not gonna have that luxury.
There's a TP out for no one. Megamepo out.
Could have been worse, but still not good.
You can see they just do not have the damage to kill off Dark Mago.
Let's follow Rubik the Frog while this happened. Oh, he TP'd today. It's so boring.
Man, what a game from Darth Marvel. This has been just I was I was hyping up his quap in the early game. I don't regret it.
This guy is exceptionally good on this hero and
Has really put the team on his back this game 13-0 and 16
Pangos 10-0 and 15 they have two beyond godlike heroes by the way against par vision one of the top dogs of the tournament
Not a bad look. Game number one for the Rejects here in this hole is going to be pivotal.
It's basically game ending if you lose this fight. Let's see if Parvizion can find something.
Two tier two tops, they might just give this up honestly. Yeah, you might not, you might choose
not to fight. Yeah, let's just be the case. No Beastmaster, no, no fun. Just overwhelming
Blink non-pango. There's the pipe to help Satanic stay alive from the 20 Scream of
Pains that he will suffer through. Yep. How much damage is Scream of Pain? 460 with
the talent and 20. So four of those go off simultaneously from the Shadow
Strikes and then you cast it yourself. That's like a 2,000 AoE nuke. Not
including. That's without Sonic Wave. Yeah, so that's another 625 pure and
None of that counted Spellium
So we're probably looking at a dark mago combo that goes off on Mipo where four shadow strikes explode
You cast scream and sonic is probably something along the lines of 3,000 pure after reduction
So you need you need the pipe to mitigate and at least turn it into like say 2,500
Something like that dark nine class they finally catch the rat bastard jumping around as a frog
Now they find the butler to call us
Ah, yeah, he's dead.
So both of Hort's dead as the Balanestripe kind of leads him?
Slam.
Yeah.
Love the build from Witt's, by the way, ending up going the Nullifier into Scotty.
I really like this approach of not countering Nipo.
I think this is a great read, and I would like to see him not by MKB now either, even
if he wants the final slot instead of the treads.
I think I'd rather have a Swift Blink or something like that, because Nipo's
just not a problem for him.
It's not his responsibility.
He wants to kill supports, he wants to kill Invoker, and Mipo will be dealt with by Big
Boy Quap.
Diffusal used to be a thing on Mipo as well, we're not seeing that anymore, it's just this
game popping onto it.
It's occasionally a pick up, I don't think it's like death, oh and speaking of death
though, SSS.
He had to use his roar, now DKB, Sonic Wave finds him and he's surrounded.
Last day of the game.
Yeah, that's Mipo taking a full rolling thunder into the wheel of wonder as wits with the Wukong's command
Satanic finally gets off the mega Mipo, but he has been controlled all game long
And this is only a matter of time before he bites the dust digs it up and now they can surround him
Wukong still up gets off the blink actually might be look at the other side of the wall
Fisher holds him in place just a little bit longer. It's dark moggo. Yeah, Ducalus
Tries his best to life drain, but it's not to be that's an instant buyback there from Satanic
And that means Reject's now on the run.
Bash hits for Frank.
That's Blink up in three seconds.
Gonna get rooted though.
It's off the roll up and the Blink, he's good to go,
so they get nothing out of the buyback from Satanic.
What a sick disengage there.
That was a meeple buying back with Blink and chasing them
and both Pango and Qwap get out unscathed.
Really, really nicely played by the Rejects once more.
I mean, the thing that's kind of interesting about this in a bigger sense in terms of the tournament is that
usually when you go into day one of playoffs like this with Swiss, the 3-0 teams are facing 3-2s.
So you would think there's like some relatively clear tiering.
A lot of the time day one of playoffs like this has some one-sided series 2-0s.
Oh boy.
Say, Tannick?
No.
Oh my god.
It never gets old.
It never gets old.
It never gets old.
Lots of people get obliterated.
I love it.
I love it.
More.
So filthy.
Come on, Z-Tenny.
Keep playing.
You can die again.
I'm not cheering against the team.
I just don't like Nipo, but that's
my personal bias against the hero.
That's understandable.
What a game, though, from the rejects.
I think this was.
That was awesome.
This was class.
This was very high-level plays.
I love the way they played the map.
I love the way they distributed the resources.
Obviously, special shout-out to Darkmago playing.
One of the best games I've seen him play in a long time on the QWAP, Frank on the Pango also popped off.
I mean, everybody just did a really, really solid job this game, so...
Yep, and everybody helped slap down that Mipo, Richard.
They did, and yet I was reliably informed by a Mipo expert.
This was the three-year Mipo game of all time.
What happened, Rihar?
A lot of things happened this game. I have to give credit to a soft-making rejects.
understood Queen gets very strong as Nipo. They held it down, didn't make too many mistakes,
basically just got the items on the Queen and then they kept bullying this Nipo out of the game.
But I feel like they have a big issue in play right now. No one did not look like they were
successful in this game. There's something going on. I'll just say it, right? Like,
because you know, I don't know these people, right? So, but I might be a body language
experts and no one is usually the chillest guy he comes in and he's all
smiles all jokes does the interviews says all the right things this event it
feels like some things going on because every time he dies he's got his head in
his hands he's pulling funny faces the vibes are off Andrew. I mean say Tannick
as well right like this kid came onto the scene being like absolutely fearless
you know you would watch him get a rampage camera would pan to him and he
be completely stoic like nothing is even happening it's just another day in the office
and yeah I mean you can see it reflected in the gameplay situations where no one is walking up high
ground or satanic is you know running in insta dying buying back like no one denying the colors
yeah yeah it's just there's little tilt tilt place happening and you know I wonder if it goes back
to something that like King Jungle said which is it feels kind of bad to be struggling so much
against a team called South American Rejects you know like they don't they don't even have an org
they team like a joke team but when you look at the players that they have
they're extremely top tier players you know Dark Mago had like the best run in one of the best
runs in like South American Dota history of being tier one team scofield as well like probably best four position
out of South America wits is from the like now you know the the the South American what was the team that
Amar played on the mud golems or not mud golems fuck sakes but creep wave creep wave like they're
calling them the South American creep wave now the team that uh both wits in thailand came from
right so like the guy is just a product I mean this is this is yeah this is
monstrous and a perfect hero for him by the way right like Queen of Pain a hero
that with the Bloodstone build and the DKB you can just jump in be a
complete madman you know rattle cage to to boot like there are no damage I
remember saying there was a game yesterday we were asking for the
Mipo from Yuma and they were there was a Queen of Pain on the other side
And I'm thinking of the age-old like I play a lot of Queen of Pain and
free
Queen of Pain current agonist scepter like Nipo own co-op because she's a blink hero
You can just chain root her and she feels really really bad
So I had that idea of the match up in my head and then after seeing this it's like oh
Okay, I understand why Yuma didn't want to play Nipo into the Queen of Pain like the potential there if you're not playing
playing peak Dota, if you're not playing like Prime's Satanic, like, you're right, he killed
his team dude, like he was insta killing his team.
It's a similar situation to pre-Agonem's right now as well, that's why I mentioned that
they have this timing, they have to deal with the Mipo or else he can just bully the
Queen of Thin before she gets to her timings, which is like level 20 agonem's plus, like
Sanchi, Kaia, BKB.
Something to say a lot.
It becomes pretty hard.
To be honest, they had this timing, they had it, they got the Roshan, the Mipo
was top nivort he was really fat he had the necessary items to do it but they
did lack in the aggressive in his apartment and I think this comes again
to no one he had only three deaths this game compared to satanic having seven
deaths but I feel like he made a couple of mistakes that set back the team
entirely and maybe because it's morning I'm not sure but I think if
he steps up this next game satanically out of his mind I mean no
No one's the veteran man. There ain't no excuse to not be fresh in the morning when you're you know pushing 30 years old
Right, you gotta know you the all these you know in the morning. You get hard. I would know nothing about that
It doesn't get hard in the mornings when you're old that's
Why do we take a look
Welcome at the paddle
14 minutes Andrew
Yeah, this was the beginning of the end, and I know I say that a lot, but that's usually the clips that we send in here.
Just a flawlessly played team fight from South American Rejects. This is something that they're really good at.
I think a criticism that I would have of the team, obviously they're new to the tier one scene right now,
making it into the playoffs is like, if they can't fight, they can look a little bit off where they're lost.
They're lost, but if they do fight, if you're in a situation where you are fighting them
like SA, they're the archetype of team that comes from SA for Dota's history is like they
will out fight you.
They will pick repositioning heroes.
They will pick heroes like Pango where there's just a, if there's a skilled discrepancy
in the team fights, like they can be lower net worth and they'll still beat you in
the fights.
And we can see that there.
Like they just, they use the little corners of the map.
willing to take the risk of like separating, you know, they're not like
spear where they'll stay together. They'll be like, no, no, no, we'll just
in a teamfight environment. We'll just keep chasing. Yeah. I mean, having a stint in
South America myself, I understand that they do enjoy teamfights. And we saw like
fast 20 minutes. They didn't get the teamfights they were looking for and
they kind of looked a bit lost. They were like the Queen was sitting inside
the tier three for like a couple of minutes, having all these big items.
She was like DKB, Aghanim, Sanchkai, she was like 4000 HP and she's just like sitting scared because she's basically waiting for the enemies to come to them and they're not coming.
34 minutes, near the end.
Yeah, we had to highlight this one. I think it was the scream of pain, the 8000 damage, and oh no actually no, this is where...
I was talking about no one, I'm sorry. This running into high ground, this kills the team fight.
Yeah, that's a that's a insta kill right there. Like
I I agree with what Cinder is saying, you know, Earthshaker is dead.
So they think that's like, they're not going to be playing on the high ground
so I can understand the mistake. Yada, yada, you play, I guess, an SA team.
These guys don't give a shit.
You know, they're going to be in position to fight you.
They're going to simply try to outskill you.
Like shout outs to Frank for his positioning there.
Like very disruptive, breaking any smokes.
If if there's anybody that walks up the high ground,
like he can instantly punish which he did and it was like the arguably most
important hero for him to catch. I have to say this is like an unnecessary play
you have the shaker dead as you mentioned the Invoker is just running up the hill
they have basically Russian guaranteed and he decides to make this weird place I
hope he gets just a little bit like more conscious of his teammates and his
positioning I think if they do that next game they will put up a better fight
Because I feel like this is not the part we thought this is puppy for this is where puppy needs to step in and like
They need to talk that's what they well
I mean based on them GG and out the way they did I think they're probably having that right now
We're gonna take a break when we come back. We're gonna find out if paribish and get rejected and put into the lower bracket
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I'm not sure if this was buffed, but Alchemist looks really strong right now.
Both are in the buff, I think.
Wow, really?
Yeah.
Why?
Just buffed. Just one basic buffed.
It is probably like top damage in every single game, right?
Yeah, it's a good one.
Biggest buff, I guess Phoenix, because it's my hero right now.
Everyone's banning it.
That's true.
It's my hero, so it's good.
I can tell a couple heroes.
If you get the most buffed, it's Alchemist and Fungalir.
Oh, okay.
I think it's like the most broken heroes right now.
Hangalir, you think is one of the most broken ones?
It's like, first pick hero.
Be self-fam.
Maybe a lot of them.
Oh, that's a good answer.
Just not that much.
Most nerfed, I would say, Warlock.
I don't see this hero in my games anymore.
Come on, come on, Kairos still spamming that thing, you know?
Hero spammers are still doing it.
There's got to be someone worse.
That's Warlock.
Okay.
I think Kairos is playing right now.
Haskra, he's still good, but...
Is it spicy or we can not have spicy anymore?
Sure.
You cannot push.
So a bit nervous, but...
A bit biased coming from your guys' team, though, huh?
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe.
Worst hero I think is Tinker.
Tinker?
Yeah, Tinker is dead.
Aw, but we saw so much Tinker.
You know, turrets could be pretty good, huh?
No, I don't think so.
I think the problem of this hero is those matrix
because it's unreal to kill this hero
and now you can just full commit and kill him.
Well, if anybody knows it's you, sounds good.
Great answers.
Welcome back, your eyes do not deceive you, Paravision are right up against it now, SA
rejects, they managed to squeak into the playoffs but they are ahead in this opening series
and they deserve it.
They deserve it, they are playing very well, I love the aggression, they are not crumbling
the bullying parry when they get the chance actually.
man that will not stand for that you saw puppy there he's like listen it's time
I have to say you know like I I'm very surprised that this can this looser style
these elementary mistakes that we have was highlighting they're kind of in a
puppy team puppies notoriously clinical authoritarian usually he's
playing for the team but also true he can he can be an authoritarian presence
within the game, you know, I'm just looking at the body language here from the boys and
Things are looking a lot more relaxed, you know, I would I would like to think well, maybe not with satanic
But he always looks like this things are thank you just a little bit angry
Because when you play me pull you you cannot give you everything you need a lot of focus to play this here
micro the the here's and whatnot and a
Lots on me but does does hit harder than different heroes. Yeah
I think Puppy should be telling him to bike consecrate perhaps as well.
Yeah.
He would have definitely helped against the magic.
You know what they need?
Sure.
Sure.
When you do these tasks that are very difficult,
you experience something called ego depletion.
And if you're doing any non-automatic tasks,
again, which presumably, you know,
applying a very complicated Dota here,
if he wants to play something like the Mipo,
you gotta have that sucralose in your brain.
So I hope you had a lovely coca-cola or lemonade between the...
Maybe puppy could feed him a sugar cube.
Keep your palm flat.
If they are a serious team, they will have a nutritionist that is telling them this.
Unironically, the research is there. Give this kid a sugar cube.
It works. The research is there.
For the purposes of PGL, this is not actual dietary or medical advice.
You should Google it.
Go with you.
Mountains of it. I thought you could be there Andrew. We're not getting sued today
South America is looking much better though. Yes. Oh, yeah, they've had they've had you look at them for sure
All sure smiles everywhere. They're ready. Well, I mean, it's like it's like KJ said man
They've been cruising along, you know, the the the the of normal good. Yeah, they don't oh, that is that no one likes to see this
I mean
He understands, he understands that he made a couple of mistakes and as a middle-laner, you know again the ego super high
You gotta do something about it. You can't accept the mistake. It's very unlike him as well
We have cuz I mean I've literally been on panels where we've been talking about
Paravision strength is that always steady in the mid-lane always. Yeah people of no one at all. Yeah, absolutely
So this is uncharted territory meanwhile essay rejects definitely right to be all smiles right now
Now, no org, no pressure it seems.
And coming from the last series as well, where they again, they got 10 kills combined total
in two games against Perry on the side of Southwark and Regix, they got demolished in
the last series they played against.
Now, they just beat them and they didn't have a 9 class laundry, so they must be feeling
very good about themselves.
And I was just about to say Monkey King is there and it has been picked first again.
It's been banned quite a lot this tournament. I'm surprised it's getting through.
Maybe Paris is not respecting this hero enough.
The flexibility it offers, the carry potential, I think it could be one of the best late game of carries.
It depends on the item build. That's the most interesting thing about this hero.
You can always go a different route, depending on what you're matched up against.
Okay, now I go for a kill.
Now I really hope that St. Canak had a sugar cube, because he goes from one really complicated,
Yes. High skill hero to another really complicated...
Remember the Kes Taylor's as well. I think we only had him at B tier.
He's been spamming it so much I could see him climbing in the tier list,
which of course he really cares about where he scores in that,
probably more than where he scores in the tournament.
But yeah, I mean, a 5-1, 83% winner, he's like half the reason
why Kes has such an incredible record at the tournament.
The one loss I got to mention was against South American Rejects.
They played 3 kids games last time they faced each other and the one loss was because of the night class only.
Ah, there we are.
I would not count that as a loss.
No, that's fine.
In my heart, it's still 5-0 right now.
Yeah, no, that's fine, that's fine.
So, they're going back to the original ideas they had in the last series.
They basically like, revisited the plan they came in today and probably mentioned last time it went pretty well.
How about we just go back to that, yeah.
Yeah, so, you know, going back to that,
Master was a hero that they valued really highly in that series Enchantress, which is out of course both teams play Enchantress.
They took the Necro out as well.
S.A. Rejects.
Interesting.
I agree. We've been hoping and fairy-crafting on the morning panels that we're going to see a bit more Necro than we have, but it just doesn't really happen for us.
I'm not sure if that was a misclick or an intentional ban, because no one...
Yeah, who's... I mean, I guess it's...
No one Necro is not something I think of when I'm...
Triple S, I guess. I think he's an acro player.
Acro player is, again, very underwhelming compared to what the other heroes can offer.
Then they bust out the collar with the kids. It's the classic.
Probably gonna be in my class here, because hopefully I set it to mid.
And I love this pangol pick from South American Regix.
I think that one of the teams that understand the strength of this hero,
right now, to me, this hero is a first thing material, very strong overall.
Ideally, you put a mid, can go off-link, so there's a flexibility there, too.
And classic hoodwink, the most picked hero of the tournament.
For hoodwink, I genuinely believe she's the hero that has benefited the most from the
possibility of a casual chasm stone.
Like that is simply a stat that you could not get without buying a 6,000 gold item, you know this like a we increase so
You know, we just never saw what Dota looked like when
Support heroes like hoodwink who have these like small a we's were getting 70 extra is like a crazy amount relative to how big the spell is and
It's only what like 900 gold. It's it's super worth
800 gold, yeah. 800 gold. Super worth not having like a wand in your inventory for this
Casemstone that we've seen some like crazy Bushwax in this tournament. Yes.
That thing like vacuums you in, man. It's nuts. I mean the way I'm looking at
South American energies, they're playing this like very comfortable heroes. They
have this monkey. He's probably gonna go some desolator on the safe lane. They
have the Spango. He's gonna choose to go Macellar or Diffusal depending on
the matchups. They have this wood wing, the classic supportive pick when everything else
is kind of banned, teams do enjoy it. Parry comes out with the Largo though, surprising.
So they go with the F squared Largo. The one time we saw Largo in the mornings it
lost, it didn't look good. But they did beat S.A.R. with this exact combo, the
Cautal Largo. Cautal Largo is so much healing and
You basically are gonna have infinite mana and infinite HP and another partner for the Colo.
So this nine class is looking like he's gonna play Colo.
And so far he has a great partner, even in kids. A great fit.
So, okay, let's see. Dark Magoo. What would you... I'm looking at this guy.
I'm like, he is not gonna husk or he's not gonna do any of these like cheesy counters to puck.
But he will conk. That's banned. He will Tiny as well.
Tiny was his go-to strier to be Tiny being played as a carry.
Oh, the nice talker. The Richard Lewis special. You're talking about it.
The RL.
That's my nickname as well.
And Niko, unfortunately, we don't see him in this tournament anymore,
but Navi did play nice talker against the puck mid. I think it's one of the best.
If not the best hero against the puck.
the book. That's exactly what I was thinking when the pic came out. Dark Magoo does play
in mid. I remember playing against this guy, playing Night Stalker when I played way, way
back in the day. So like he's done this for years. What was your matchup? What were you
losing with? I was not the person mid, but I was at a mid laner that was against him
and it might have been a puck or something like that. I mean he just played it. Like
there was a while people just tried to play these like carry off lane heroes mid.
I mean, Dark Mago has done this for his entire clan.
They still have the flex on my stalker. They can put him offline and mid, because Pango, again, can go both offline and mid.
I think both are very strong against the Puck on lane.
Nice stalker, a little bit better on the mid lane.
Yeah.
He loves... My stalker enjoys having this, like, experience in Gold Bones that he gets on the lane.
He's very strong on the lane, even though it's daytime.
They are just naturally high, like, base stats and base damage.
Interesting to see where they want to put it.
He's getting that sugar in.
You see that?
He's getting that sugar.
Looking at the lips as well.
Yeah, that's good noises.
Thank you for that.
We've just been reported on Twitch now.
It's over.
Okay.
We still have YouTube and TikTok.
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Watch on the platform of choice.
So Perry is assuming this is going to be a carry monkey because they're buying the mix
and probably going to bet on another support right now, means SCRJX will probably have,
you know, they'll probably have heroes.
Gotta take out the clockwork.
Specials.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he busts out the ancient apparition.
Now I don't have a lockdown to allow him to use his ultimate properly.
But also good with the into the lago, stop all that.
To the logo and the Kotl which have amazing sustain as well. Yes, so great
I'm loving the essay rejects draft. I really am I
Think they have overall very solid lineup. They're just a little bit lacking in the lockdown department
Pango can kind of fix that
You have a stun on the hood wing. They're not the most reliable things you would like to have as an a player
But if they do hit it he has a great setup here
So last picking, presumably five position, yeah, there's not much you can get, it's like a big gotcha pick.
So they get something that's like, generically good and fine.
You can layer all of the ground targeted bullshit J'Hero does into the Monkey King ult.
You know, you can play at a distance against a Nightstalker.
There is a pango mid after all. They decided to put the Nightstalker open.
Again, Pango is a very good matchup into the Puck online because of the way Pango does a lot of physical damage, Puck has no armor.
If he buys a Blistone as well on Pango, suddenly once Washbuckle starting level 3 is going to hit very hard.
You add that over and over again, he gives you advantage.
And you can see there on the screen as well, this is no one who did look a little bit tilted on his invoker.
First time he's playing puck this tournament. He's very good at pucked. I mean the comfort is very good with invoker
to you. That's very hard game right now. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. This seems like it's gonna be a miserable experience
If like one thing goes about. Yeah, this is really gonna test his mental
Pretty good Kaz game though all things considered right playing against a night stalker in lane daytime like hypothetically
You should shit on him right jacquero plus Kaz sounds
Devastating for a night stalker like Schofield is legit gonna have to get boots and wave cut some something like that
The way I'm seeing it South American rejects. They have answered Paris lineup quite nice
But the lane on the offline might prove problematic and this case my snowball because on Paris side
I'm just worried about kids. Yes, like if kids gets to snowball our control
We've seen satanic over and over again. He buys his items. He takes control of the map and suddenly he's just deleting
heroes left and right. Roshan is dying in like three seconds. Classic Kiz. This is what I'm
worried about from South American. Yeah, they can manage to fix the Kiz issue. They could
probably just get away with like any team fight due to the nature of the heroes. Yeah,
totally. And it's, you know, hypothetically, a really sick AA game, but there's so many,
there's so much mobility on the other side and not a lot of lockdown. So it's like,
if you can hit the, if you can hit the AALT, like somehow it's really good. But I think
I think that's going to prove to be pretty cool.
At least Alargo will not have the freedom to just like,
yeah I'm just going to heal everyone.
Yeah, that's true.
I think you can do it.
It might not be strong in and of itself, but I think in this game it's the pick of the...
It has a place.
This is definitely a great pick.
Like props to whoever came up with this.
It could turn out to be devastating because it's not the strongest laner and I think
A lot of the times you do want to punish a Largo a little bit in lane because he's not also a strong laner.
I really like Paravision's draft to be honest.
I'm going with South American Rejects.
Yeah, I believe in that.
That's how I trust him.
Is it on draft or on play?
Because I think on play.
I think on both.
On both, okay.
I feel like if Paravision loses this there's something up.
Last game was the satanic show and it did not happen.
This game is again the satanic show.
Alright, well guys, we're about to get into the game, but first, against all of his self-preservation instincts, we have SirAction Slacks if you wanted to see a puppy.
Absolutely. Yep, we are here with the goat of Dota himself puppy. Puppy, great to see you here. Can we even talk a little bit about last game? I mean, that seemed like the vibes were kind of off.
What was it like walking in the booth of that game? Do you want to talk about that at all or should we skip it?
I mean, it's a morning game. It's the first game of the day. It's like
It's a classic thing that our team kind of is used to that we kind of screw up a
We just screw it up, you know, sometimes I mean, it's good for the viewers. So it's really for them, right?
For sure. It's better for them. Great. Now you draft this time. Oh, we will see SS getting first blood SSS
So congratulations
This draft is very reminiscent of last tournament. Jekiro, Largo, first pick Kez. Are you aware that this is season 8?
Yes. Okay. Cool. Why this tournament? I mean we're not seeing Lone Druid not even picked or banned, you know?
Pretty crazy to me. What was the playing going in here? I mean, they are very good against Lone Druid and we are perhaps not that good with it.
So
there's no point risking to them because we already lost trying to do the Lone Druid strategy against them.
Well, fair enough. Well, we got to get into the game. Obviously, it's starting just real quick, then do you think that this one is in the bag?
Will we be going to a game three, or will it be kind of tough?
This one, we have better chances for sure.
Thank you so much, Puppy, an excellent job, and we'll head straight into the game with our two casters, Sunspan and Cinderan.
Thank you so much, Sir Action Slacks.
Puppy is very, very calm, very calming influence. I was not expecting that. I thought there'd be more of a hammer being thrown down.
I mean, you saw he had his hands behind his back, right? What do you think was in there?
He's just, that's true, the machete, or he was just clenching really hard.
Also, I have an answer to what I saw last game. I just realized, look at Puck. He has a constant debuff on him.
It's Fortune favors the bold. That was the icon I didn't recognize when Kwap was chasing.
Hango was in the neighborhood and this is just on you non-stop. So very important to get that clarified of course
Thank you so much. Everybody was wondering about it. Yeah, I got so much interaction on every social media platform
So I'm happy to let you guys really into social media. Yeah, you love it more than anyone
Yeah, I've given you I've given you guys the the answers now so we can put it to rest
When's the last time you made a social media post without being prompted to do so? I see a bushwhack top
Yeah, I make a couple posts a year at most I think that's not even that sounds like a lot maybe not even yeah
Maybe one one or two
Very impressive for a talent is thank you speaking of talent. We get to see it the rejects play again versus paravision
Do you think they have a good chance of?
To owing this um I think so I I
Think I agree with puppies take overall that this they have a better chance in this game on par vision side
I see it the same way. I just the main concern I have based on what happened in game number one is
If no one is having just a bad day or gets off to a bad start
I think their lineup is extremely dependent on puck to function
This lane should play itself more or less
I say that there's no way to cast it. It's right. So much damage as the acorn shot bounce so many times
You have to pop the fairy fires Frank down to one who won battle versus Ducales as we have a pause
So what the horse happens here has everything on cooldown
Actually, that's untrue. He can switch discipline in one second and then he might have some stuff
They usually have a timer on these things yeah, I didn't give you multiple choice does he does Frank liver die
I think Frank lives into cause dies
Okay, Frank is very dead and Satanic dies afterwards.
Ducalus the only one to live along with Skowfield, but not for long if they're going to keep
right clicking each other.
Dual breath now on the Skowfield.
Ducalus with the right clicks and he will eventually vomit.
Cinderin was so right.
I got one of them right.
I said Ducalus dies.
Skowfield the victor in all of this though.
I actually thought Nistok was going to be able to walk that off, but I guess
he was too crippled by Jakira.
I didn't check how long the slow duration is day stalker right now, so that's right white use
I mean just the fact that they got a two-for-one trade up here is insane to me on paper like night stalker hoodwink in lane
Winning this is wild. So and this is a head of kez minute 3 30 on net worth
I thought this was gonna be the biggest gimme lane of the whole series like
Kez jacquero into a daytime night stalker should just be a freebie, but put one gets strong and they're
We are leveraging Night Soccer's good base stats to just stand his ground with high armor
and a lot of HP and letting Hoodwing do the trading.
So well done so far up there.
In the mid lane we're seeing what WeeHow is talking about, Pango non-stop in the face
of no one with all this physical damage.
Puck rocking a base armor of only the three is going to take basically, yeah he gets
it reduced to one with the orb of light and then Pango spells hit like a truck.
So that lane is going very well for Rejects too.
At the very least though for par vision, bottom lane is where it's at.
The Monkey King with another support might be able to run this lane against Largo Caudle,
but AA doesn't really have the best time here, it doesn't interact with the lane very
well.
It seems to be the case for AA generally, unless you have a cold feet specific duo.
Exactly, this is the trade off that you take here.
What do you think about AA in the game because obviously the you know the ice blast versus the likes of coddle the likes of the frog
I've been you know in the past been very good counters, but getting it off
Without a huge amount of lockdown does seem a bit difficult. Yeah, that's the toughest part here is actually connecting it
I think the dream targets are kez and Largo
Obviously when Largo gets the eggs that is going to be a higher priority
But yeah, hitting Kez with Ice Blast, one of the hardest heroes to hit, because he's just very mobile,
he has all sorts of stuff, by nature he assassinates heroes really fast, so a lot of the time if you go for counter play he's already out.
What stuns do you have? Monkey King stun and a Bushwack.
Well, if you get a pango combo, then we're talking.
If he gets to stun lock somebody, then it's bottom lane wits.
Yep, he looks to be dead, gets off the balance, pops the fairy fire, can dodge a little bit, he's been dodging a lot of the illuminates very nicely, but only so far that can take you as SSS gets his second kill of the game, also had the first blood while puppy was talking.
Yep. Now, it's night time. So what is going to happen?
A new hero has entered the arena.
Yes, NS is going to be very strong now.
Yep, Midnight Feast.
Just keep an eye on that satanic might just be doled here out of his own lane crippling fear now
They're not gonna be able to set it up on anything owning him
Meanwhile the six-minute power rune has to call us was trying to check out top. It's gonna cost him his life
No one gets the bottle at the very least for paravision
Talk to me about the night stalker your favorite hero of all time all one of them in the past, okay?
Yeah, the midnight stalkers under and used to be a mid player everybody
I know it's tough to believe because most of his career was as a support feeding on Pudge zero and nineteen
Yep, every game that's his most famous game is zero and nineteen Pudge
I would argue with that, but it's all good for the sake of it
I
Mean and this has been changed quite a bit over the years, right?
He now has a new ability once again the midnight feast which allows you to life steal and it's has the
built in component of being able to eat creeps at night time so that was the old
shard this is a worse version of that shard but you're getting it for free
however you start every game at day since you don't have that facet anymore
that allows you to start the game at night which makes your I think the
reason this hero isn't picked more in Prodota is that you just feel like you're
too exploitable in the laning stage but if Frank and Schoolfield here can
show that you can play against Kez, Jakiro and draw or win I think this
hero should go up in priority like to me that's the Achilles elevate is the
first five minutes. If that works, you're a pretty good hero.
Oh, it's about to get ganked, blinding light into the lick.
TP's coming though.
Boundless strike onto the Jekiro, along with the Bushwack.
You can see the Night Stalker has arrived.
The coil's going to slow them down, but the call is should fall.
Let's go down to Dark Mago, so everybody basically
coming down to this lane.
Yeah, partying the bottom lane.
Puck.
And a jaunt next to Skullfield.
This could be a weird situation here.
That gets Bushwacked and a crippling fear,
which is going to be his kryptonite this game.
What a hard counter to that hero.
Good one.
Thank you.
Darkmago, not going to be able to find a connection to SSS.
I mean, we've seen in the past some weird itemization
like four staff on puck to try to counteract that.
Or of course, BKB, do you think he's
going to have to go for something like that?
Yeah, I think BKB might be better.
Darkmago.
Now he has to step up, frog stomp, yeah.
Does get licked.
Now they showed the ward.
Might like that. Showcrash available.
That'll put an end to it.
So now they know for a fact this vision here, because Largo looked in from the low ground.
Um, a nice alliteration there.
Um...
In the meantime, top tower fell at minute 7-something, by the way.
So, Kez lost his tower...
to a night slother who wasn't there.
Uh, kinda crazy that this is going this well. That's still the...
biggest surprise in all of this for me.
I mean the rejects are just clearly very much informed today.
Now entering this mid game, how are they going to start fights?
We talked about puck and how integral that is to the side of par vision.
And the radiant lineup, you don't really have any catch, right?
Like there's no, well bush whack, but I'm not going to count that as a reliable setup.
So really you're heavily reliant on either getting a monkey stun from the trees into
some sort of night stalker connection or of course pango finding a big role but
they will itemize their way out of these problems pango is going to buy defusal to
help with the keeping heroes in place and that's not for first item dagger so then
you can get up on top of in particular puck and kez really hate being silenced
and this is of course one of the longest duration silences in the game six
seconds when you have it maxed out
I wonder if he's going to buy his scepter later.
That has also been changed.
The NS scepter is very interesting.
What does it do now?
You get more move speed and attack speed with Hunter in the night, which is now your innate.
And if you kill an enemy hero, you reset all your cooldowns, except your holds.
So that means you could technically kill someone with crippling fear and then go on to the
next guy.
Mamo getting gone on.
Oh, he gets deleted.
Wow.
That is a lot of burst damage from Paravision.
I'm going to try to turn that around on to El Misho as well.
Frank comes in with his old activate along with the crippling fear trying to focus down the frog not enough damage though as Frank will now
Retreat no one very deep all alone now as the rest of the team kind of getting out of dodge
Let's get the illusory orb off and no more follow-up. It seems as this is all five members of paravision here now
Another loser you or does take out scofield
So paravision show up in numbers and they get rewarded as a nice clean win for them
That's also Dark Ascension down, so
They've got a nice little bit of breathing room. Puck is now top of the net worth which is a great look for no one after a tough game one
Given that he had to lane into pango here
Should be feeling very happy with the game state going for the witchblade. I'm assuming next could be the four stuff
Like you said or blink
Usually it's just is blink when you're not playing in something like in us
um I
I personally kind of like the blink more, if maybe you can buy blink and force, that would be one option.
Or you can buy blink BKB, and the BKB upside over the force staff is that you counter nullifier, which is a very popular night stalker item.
Because you want to stay on top of heroes and force staff is the counter, so.
Um, we'll see.
Frank, to try to get there, we'll go Midas after blink, is it in his quick buy? I don't know how much I like that. I feel like that's very slow.
I think if you go Midas you go it now
Which he might see
Little smoke action from para vision
Opens up though with the reject starting an app and now the night stock are completely isolated attempted TP
He's dead
Stun from Kaz by the way Kaz going battle fury
Interesting well only onto the hood when here's dark manga able to take out do call us
This is a 1v1 battle, let's go for the first AA blast of the game on to Satanic, it's up the veil though.
No detection, oh that one sucks.
Let's go for it, still suffering the consequences of being near no one after that game 1 disappointment.
You can see the rage in his eyes as he gets that double kill.
Fueled by Vengeance.
Questions, who is he raging against though? The machine?
Yes.
Or himself?
Or his team?
Rage against the machete.
Yeah, you just have to have detection, right? That's pretty much the story of that situation.
They have detection, they kill Kez. But it's something you sometimes just kind of forget
about, honestly, when you're playing against this hero, that you just have to have that
early in the game. A lot of the times, even on a pro level, the same thing happens
against Murana. Like you get your first fight and you're like, oh, right, we don't
after the texture gets more like shadow
for the rest of the game should be just sitting with a dust on ice talker
getting his blink so not going to be the mitis first
or go to ol frank
break the tank
as s s s on the lago only a thousand from ag's
uh... pretty good timing is going with coddle so
a lot more influx of mona as well for i think the
The one game we cast the Largo on this patch, we got the Ags quite a bit later, definitely suffered for it, but we'll see, definitely off to a pretty good start, 2-0 and 2 right now for SSS.
It's making a really big difference that 9-class just gets to play like this, it's just stacking the Triangle every minute, they're getting a lot of farm on either Largo or Puck with these Chakra injections.
to call us at least but just overall map economy being won by par vision mainly on that right
side of the map just getting way more value out of the triangle then of course uh the side of
rejects who aren't really even i mean they've stacked but they haven't farmed them yet they
better make sure they don't get stolen ice blasts going bottom uh i'll follow up just for fun
interesting just to remind lago that there is an ice blast in the game yeah
Yeah.
Yeah, battle theory pretty close for Satanic.
Yeah, I wonder what gives, like, why that is the choice here.
Maybe it's a, like, an overall team consideration thing of what pace they're looking to play
in the game.
It's like, okay, Puck and Largo are playing heavy mid-games, so I need to outscale.
I think you can make an argument for both builds.
I think you could have also gone Falconblade into the, like the Deso route here with Axe.
Try to play like that. Maybe this one is more stable against something like Nightstalker,
where you're just a little bit more farm focused and a little less fighting,
because the risk reward of fighting is worse, and then...
Just try to get so many items that he doesn't counter you anymore.
Triple Melee core.
Maybe have something to do with it.
True.
Plus the Deso, most people on your team are doing magic damage, you know?
Yeah, you don't synergize with many. That's true.
Oh my goodness, ice path into the macro onto two supports, Elmisho.
They walked right into that one.
No one there to clean up.
He has to use the coil, huh?
Huh?
The boss is going to get a nice little treat here.
It was about as much of a
problem as he could have given them there.
On the AA, yeah, they just walked into a setup.
Not much to do there for the supports.
Frank is lounging very leaning. Yeah, I'm very interested to see how well this hero does regardless of there being an AA
We just
Haven't seen a lot of it since the nerfs. Yeah, I want to see when he has a good game gets an axe at a reasonable time
And the fact that he went at first is a bit unusual
I guess compared to when we see it in the past, but it typically be like a kaya into the axe
He has coddle. That's probably why that's true. You'd think that's that is the reason
You can rely on that consistent influx of mana to play a more greedy build.
Mid tower will be claimed by the rejects here with no contention, puck coil on cooldown, so probably the right choice to not try to contest that.
And all in all, par vision I think are just kind of comfortable.
Like, they're getting through these early game night times without many casualties, they just get to farm.
And as a result, Night Soccer is now well at the bottom of the net worth for the cores, not even close to anybody.
Everybody else is keeping up nicely. That's the hero. Doesn't farm very fast.
Yeah, I mean, it also feels like both teams are kind of content to just chill.
Yeah, I don't know if I like that much from Reject's side. I think this is the timing in the game that you theoretically would like to do something.
Your Nightstalker bought Blink. If he wants to farm, he should have bought Midas, so that already sucks.
He was going to buy Midas and now he's going towards BKB instead, buys the Ogre Club, Axe, whatever.
Like the issue is...
Okay, he's...
Oh boy, Nightspath clips him, good bye.
Very least he did spend a good amount of his gold recently.
Yep.
Kills are few and far between here in the last five, six minutes.
I wonder if we can see a number of total stacks. I don't know if they showed that earlier and I just missed it, but I feel like they're so... they look at that.
Caudal has had a mission this game. 14 camp stacks.
Yep, that's a creeper.
Not to explain this 3K lead.
Yep.
It's a majority of it. It's not really the kill gold that's been putting Parvizion in the lead.
And of course the biggest winner in all of that is Puck who has been taking a lot of stacks
which this hero generally doesn't so has access to unusual levels of net worth and that of
course is going to bring no one toward that early BKB.
That's right they want to go for the Largo Ice Blast does hit and that is a dead frog.
Popsi Essence ring though.
Maybe not dead after all.
What expires first?
Ice Blast expires first he's fine.
Okay, thank you, then I thought yeah, that's ensuring definitely saved in there
Another wasted opportunity for
Rejects yeah, they had our farm if they had the ice blast shard, which I'm assuming he's gonna go for after this first glimmer cape
As opposed to the second get glimmer cape that he's gonna get yep
Yeah, probably gonna I mean
Maybe
Yeah, I'm trying to think about whether you actually even want to buy that here. It's pretty expensive
for the zero to buy shard and what I mean by that is that
there's a lot of value for a in having
Other items such as the one he's queuing up. I think blink dagger could be a very interesting purchase
College will not even die to the night stalker. So that also fails
Really much to write home about for reject
I was expecting a better mid game given the landing stage where things I was expecting more small
More aggression just get on top of them and see what happens, but they have yeah kind of put the
Foot off of the pedal for whatever reason
Maybe it is just about the bkb's that need to come out from the likes of night stalker and whatnot. He's
Has enough for mithril hammer. So a recipe away
But
How what is wits going for us wits has deso mage slayer there's bank shard bank shard, which again aggression
Yeah, it's another added to the list, right? Having mage-layer and not fighting, probably a little bit weird, but...
Alright, gonna get forced to roll here as Dark Mago was scared of the puck connection.
And now it's charm enter time, but they are evacuating the premises just full-on giving it up to par vision
and might also bleep a quick blink here from Frank, still gonna get stalker.
Yeah, I'm stunned out. Dark Mago is nearby, but that's not nearly enough.
Zero and four start for Frank.
We like the Night Stalker in theory, but hasn't done anything with it yet.
I mean, the funny thing is what I thought was going to be hard is what was easy for him,
and what I thought was going to be easier has been the hard part.
Like, the lane went so much better than I thought it would,
but then the transition into first and second night hasn't really given him any.
So, now he's stuck in this awkward spot where
this hero isn't really
contributing much.
And yeah, his net worth is not going to look any
any better until he wins a fight here, so
free Torm for the side of Parry,
and of course they barely take damage from this, courtesy of Largo Caudal.
Very cool AoE healing combo.
So they don't even need to reset anything, they can just keep farming and doing what they were doing.
Oh
The luxury satanic with the Manta is now going for a bkb of his own just farming up a storm here
Feels like the rejects are just lost
They're not doing anything
This lead just continues to grow for para vision
7k now
Yeah, everything to do is find a pick off and then go for Roche and it feels like a cookie cutter type of template
Yeah, I think I think you're right. They're just waiting for the BKB's but in hindsight maybe not
It's also a matter of they did make a couple of moves that just got countered and failed right there's another one
But no one already has the BKB they can be able to take out the jacquero at the very least
Please dark mago in the rolling thunder
Paravision look for a soft reset SSS keeping everybody healthy
Now it's a night stalker old down pango as well
I mean this could be Roche for paravision actually
These cooldowns are extremely meaningful
You have ice blasts still which is nice if they're in the pit
But you need to throw at the right time, you need to have the right read
And if you fail the timing they're just going to heal to full
But for now it's going to be mid tower
and they're gonna feel super strong knowing these key cooldowns are unavailable so this is very very easy
let's give them a little bit of time here to finish the job
guys we'll do that together with puck
and let's see if it is indeed going to be the roche hit
or an invasion perhaps of dark mageau's triangle here
oh boy adding in soul secondary here
yep it's all theirs and now
Well, it's Roche.
No roll, no ascension.
No dice.
No plays.
Yep.
One team.
I mean, courtesy of a lot, there's also been some good smoke breaks, right?
Like, sure, in this one they connected on the Jakiro and killed him, but the college
was still the first point of contact, and he made sure that his teammates were AOK.
out of the eight deaths on his team are Jekiro.
A wits.
Coil's already been expended, and the stun comes out from Guess Who, Kez.
The down goes, the position one monkey king, and they're going to try to set something
up on the Largo.
Alright, this is attempt number two, Essence Ring, again this time.
They got him.
Yep.
Seems like that's their first kill in a very long time.
At least Core.
from jacquero they have the last core they killed was uh puck minute seven or minute eight
it's actually kind of fun to look at the top in the head in the graphs there's just jacquero's face
six times and a couple towers oh okay all right oh my oh all right kez broke the game yeah he
Oh, his courier could actually die here. That's a BKB. It's pretty unfortunate timing for the pause here
If that BKB gets killed he might actually die
Gaben has some things to say about this game. It seems there's no Largo and
So this is a 5v4
When monkey King responds that is even TPing on the outpost or the tower
But you have ages
Go? No. The same person. Go? No way.
All caps as well.
Yep.
Good old Ducalus. Ducalus is quite the character. One of my favorite players in Dota right now.
Seeing him type in all caps there reminds me of, you know there are people out there
that use caps as their hotkey for push to talk, right?
Okay. Yeah, it makes sense.
Just reminds me of that. Like people in old Dota, when everybody used to use push
to talk. I think voice activation is more common nowadays than it was. I use it for scoreboard.
Caps Lock? Yeah, but I disable Caps Lock. Oh, I see. Okay, so it's just a non-key. Yeah,
that makes a lot of sense, actually. I just, there's so many, I just have so many various people
just typing with Caps Lock. If you think about it, Caps Lock has got to be one of the most useless
keys on the keyboard, and it's in a very prominent spot. That's a very fair case, yeah.
For European keyboards, is it usually in the same, you know, that left position?
Yeah, it's always there on every keyboard.
I don't think I've ever seen a keyboard that didn't have caps.
You never know.
You guys like to do some weird things.
I think the most useless keys on in terms of the prevalence
on the keyboard, like the position they're given are like the keys
to the right of space, like the secondary alt key, the old GR.
I guess there's like some situations where you can actually use that.
No, I use it to make sure I use it to type at because on Danish keyboards
you do that differently than on an American keyboard,
just shift to, right?
Yeah.
For me, it's Alt-GR too.
So it has functionality for me.
But on international keyboards, Alt-GR is kind of useless.
And the secondary Windows button,
have you ever pressed that in your life?
No.
So it just did space.
Probably when I've cleaned my keyboard.
All right.
Yeah, that's good.
That's the key that always looks pristine.
Yeah, that's the good news.
The other Windows key you do use,
so you can swap out the keys at any time.
It's like a backup.
Oh, that's smart.
Yeah.
very important
you know the the keyboards that annoy me are when the
actually the one that we have in the hotel
the shift key on the left is half the size
right of a normal shift that I'm used to
very important discussion here by the way is the satanic
is back, it's acorn shot the macro player onto two though
can get bushwhacked and have a size to come from frank no
not in range of satanic they will get to call us again
seems to be
The pattern here as El Misho swiftly taken out by Satanic and now 1v1 battle between the Night Stalker and Kez who gets
Sharp-shootered in the face still has the Aegis of course that I want to put too much effort into this
They lost Dark Mago off-screen to no one so in the end Satanic doesn't really get punished with pause
Yeah, even though he didn't get his BKB delivered
He still places way out of that even without losing Aegis
So not really much once again for the radiant side and Witt's never connected. He just went bottom to farm. So
Situation another par vision victory
And given how this game has gone so far in the control of there in this should for all intents and purposes be a
very nice night time coming up ages for
60% of it
So probably nice stalker doesn't want to fight during that part
Now when it's over there should be a BKB on monkey king though, so that would help
Clearly the issue for rejects this game has been setting fights up on their terms and no one is approaching
ridiculous peaks here
Going to get himself now the Parasma
And spite of informing so much Kaz is still way ahead too. They're just getting way way way more. It was only a matter of time
But yeah, no one was top net worth for basically the whole game.
Up until Satanic takes the reign,
and yeah, they haven't really felt much pressure.
Felt like they really wanted no one to have a good game after the Rage from Game 1, of course.
The Rage.
I don't know how to call it Rage, more so than just Tilt.
True... It was a look of true disappointment.
Face-bombing twice, I think, in the game.
It was clearly disappointed, not...
Not fully woken up yet.
Hope he's in an interview.
The first game of the day is rough.
Some people are just not morning people, man.
I can empathize with that.
Yeah, but you still show up to work and do a fabulous job.
Oh, thank you so much, Shannon. You.
Despite looking the way you do, it's just really well done.
I knew it was going to be back soon.
It was just a matter of how.
Do you shower in the morning?
I have a great face for shower.
Or night. Are you a nighttime shower?
I'm a morning shower.
Okay.
It doesn't look like it.
Thank you. That's another one.
I should have answered the question.
I'm gonna group up for this tier 2 bot minute and a half on the Aegis.
Speaking of showering in the morning, you have a funny story from that.
I don't want to talk about that no more that has been my entire trip in a nutshell.
No hot water, my room is really miserable.
But what's not miserable for ParaVision is that they are in the lead and they could
very well push this to a game 3.
So 10k now, they just one minute left on it.
I feel like there has to be a win over Petriona, right?
And if there isn't, okay, well, maybe it's now.
Yeah, they try to go for the cat,
as they will get life number one.
Okay.
And they get it a second time.
No rolling thunder, there is no one trying to make space.
Pops to BKB, gets the coil,
the several heroes and the rest of the air vision
can now connect,
but BKB from Frank allows him to get away.
Almesha the first of fall.
All they lost was one,
but they did expend basically everything for this.
They have no solution to this puppy, he just jumps into four heroes and they can't fight back.
Really nicely identified from no one there to get the, just control the entire backline as the Aegis gets burned, and I have to question,
you're a South American Regis this game, you've made very few successful moves, almost in general, then you choose to fight one minute into the Aegis.
Frank is going to die inside of his own ult, so even if I buy back and Satanic almost falls,
it could be Illuminate, heals him up along with the Largo now, uses the Raptor Dance,
get a little bit of extra HP, and this should be a full lane for Paravision, if not more.
And they're up to pull, like nothing happens.
Largo things?
SSS just singing his song.
Looks like they'll just get the melee and run away.
Crap. That's surprising given that there's 15 seconds in NS, but maybe they thought there was going to be a moment of opportunity for
Rejects to get something going
But yeah, I don't know
There's just something that feels wrong about their
Passiveness and then they choose to go with one minute left on ages. That's when they strike
And I understand that there's obviously some like levels to this where okay
He was clearly out of position
They felt like that was a good time to kill him and they were obviously successful
But I think this first kill on pango is worth on kez is worth less than nothing
Because you're using key cooldowns then you can't take the follow-up fight anyway
So what was the plan after you get the ages like let's imagine no one does not go in on puck
I still don't think you can kill the kez a second time. So it's kind of just
relatively pointless
And just making so much easier for party
Okay, this one looks a little bit better rolling thunder ice path comes out though from the Jepiro
But it's not enough to keep satanic alive a huge kill for the rejects
And they certainly would like more of that
Yeah, finally something for them connecting correctly
Full chain stun satanic can't get his BKB off
Can they do anything with this though, that's the issue the objectives are already gone
You don't really have the ability to push any towers and now day time is arriving
And paravision are just staying tight together as four here, so not giving them any
additional
freebies
So paravision just gonna buy their time wait for this next rush obviously wait for the respawn on Satanic
And see what else they can get going here
And for Rejects, pretty much, I don't know, it feels like they have to contest this Roche or the game just might end.
Yeah, I think so too. This is a mandatory contest. Now they will have a bachelor's of health.
Could make a difference. It is very nice to find an opportune moment to stun Kez
when he's trying to. Orpuk even. Orpuk, I think that kill is really hard. Honestly that's the biggest
problem I have for Regix, even if this game goes later, like 20 minutes, like who's gonna kill this
puck? He's gonna be a monster. This is a another traditional tempo mid laner that has just got
so much love in terms of scaling potential. In a way, he shares that quality with Queen of Pain.
With both heroes, you go back five years, they were like really, really strong for,
say, the first 20, 25, 30 minutes, and then toward the truly late game, they were kind of
of taper off in strength, feels like puck can win games
when it's 17.
That's like the biggest carry of the game, even.
Discuss who's a better late game.
Who's being puck and kez, which is kind of ridiculous
when you think about it.
Different kind of play styles for sure,
but would definitely agree.
We've seen so many puck games where they end up losing,
but puck didn't die the whole game.
Like, that's not that unusual.
If puck is really the one that you need to focus then
Maybe double a Bissell as the way to do it
Night Stalker blinks in like you know, you got the bash from the swashbuckle or if you go a Bissell on pango even
still hard though
Now he has the octarene as well on no one and I'm trying to think of this from the position of let's say in my eyes the
best puck player in the world in late game is Nietzsche
I wonder what his win rate is in the last like three years on puck when the game goes beyond 45 minutes
I think it's got to be
Like above 80%
Really? Above 80?
I would think so. Yeah, huh. I think when Nisha reaches late game on puck, he just doesn't lose like that's just my experience with it
Obviously, it's easy to have biases when you start seeing you're like, yeah this player on this hero
You just see so many crazy pop-off moments and you're like, yeah, this guy just doesn't lose him
i could see seven but it's just like eighty is a lot
uh... i would say in a game like this with the current drafts
i think it's a major
fuck up if par vision lose now
really carcanchal
carcanchal gargantuan
excuse me
as a suraction slacks ism yeah i could talk to him in the green room of it
just like the icu lowers every time yeah it's like to get back up
Yeah, he gave me Tsar.
Ag's now on line for the Kaz. There's a coil onto two already. Iceblast completely avoided.
And as Largo goes in, and that is two supports dead, just like that paravision.
Yeah.
And basically just do whatever the hell they want. Some cutting going on by the monkey, but...
Roche is up, so...
I would assume that paravision just take him out pretty swiftly here.
Yeah, 30 seconds should be enough with Kez and the Bard.
And we haven't even talked about Croke of Genius to amp the puck even further.
Like, I was just talking about how good of a puck being this is in a vacuum without
that teaming.
And this just makes it even better.
So yeah, wow.
That is a fast roche.
Disgusting!
fail for you some would say night soccer already at half HP has to night
fall away yep this is gonna be a tier 2 for paravision
surprisingly tier 2 still up in the mid lane very unusual that that's the last
one alive I will say yeah won't be there for long though so don't worry we
you can pretend it fell first in a minute
trying to wrap my head around what way
rejects can even initiate a fight to deal with this incredible strength that
part of your showing at this point
but you got to pick your poison are you going on the park which is a borderline
impossible kill are going on the case with ages
largo
i think there's so many they're proposing so many problems here for
rejects to deal with that I feel like it's very difficult to picture how to
take a fight and we've already seen in this game that they've struggled to do
it to begin with now that they have some items I you know you want to make a
plan here if you just randomly engage you're not gonna like there needs to
be some sort of idea and I'm not seeing it so I wonder what they're
gonna decide I but the best thing I could come up with is if you can
like kill the caudal and jacquero early and kind of play kite with ns ulti maybe
I think going on cores just isn't going to work and unfortunately that also means
by extension the AA kind of sucks because that's what AA does is go on cores
with ice blast but the execution is going to be ridiculously hard.
Witz is going to once again go for Scotty. I like it less this game than the
previous one even though he's against all this healing because I think like
you said I think they need stuns. So what if probably liked an abyssal but maybe your
stats are just too shit then to actually kill anything?
I don't think there's a good solution.
No, maybe not.
There's a solution for Ducales.
Okay.
And I think Paravigin used to fighting without him because he died basically every single
fight. They get the hex onto the puck, he gets forced up to the other side but
a phase shift dodges so much damage. Willow is helping out as well. No one. Loser
Orbs to the other side, Dark Mago trying to finish him off, but another phase shift keeps him healthy, so no one survives.
And like we said so many times, so much used now for Rejects.
Now the resources completely down and out.
And Satanic can feel pretty confident to just go in this deep.
Obviously still has the Aegis, might have to use it, gets licked up, but the cripple here can hold him in place, Frank.
He's gonna be the one to tick out instead.
as the Vale will keep Satanic out of reach of the rejects and now the
buildings are gonna start getting demolished. That was a pretty valiant effort
honestly. They were close to killing the puck which I didn't think was gonna
happen but the Hex obviously allowed them one minor moment of eternity but
still you hex him. He gets saved by a little lick repositioning and ever so
slightly gets the BKB off and once Puck is BKB you can't come so it was a good
try the par vision or just too strong in this one secondary lane to fall here and
now just seems like a formality to get the mega so you definitely want to stick
around with your Aegis and knowing that nice stalker has cooled on an ult
Kazling it up Kaz in this tournament until this game 10 and 2. Yeah pretty good
Now 11 and 2 in the course. Nice man.
That's a young man right there. I'll tell you what. Goes in onto the monkey king in a pretty precarious spot.
Ice blasts, buzz hit a couple of heroes, but the monkey king already half dead.
Trying to fight his way out of it. He's fighting against an Aegis right now.
So that's life number one. The Dark Bago ult ends. Ducalus gets the poor step out of the ring.
The Satanic Insta-BKBs, they've already taken out the Night Stalker and now the rest are
just going to fall.
Double kill for no one.
Looking for El Misho on the outskirts of his base, attempted TP, not successful.
The call is to make sure to die, so...
They're keeping tradition alive here.
Now it's going to be Mega Creature Paravision as the GGs should come.
Maybe thinking about what they want to do in game 3.
Maybe picking, if you want to play like this, then go heroes that farm and buy Midas.
Don't buy Blink is my recommendation.
It's Dark Lago trying to delay this as long as possible.
Satanic is literally farming in their fountain.
Jesus.
He gets hacked, sharpshooter just gonna brush it off though.
The creep's still alive, so backdoor's not gonna kick in Dark Mago.
Not gonna get too much health from his teammates, and as the Raptor dance comes form, and that's a triple kill for Satanic, and finally, the GG's come out.
Probably gonna call that 15 minutes ago, for being honest, but hey, what can you do?
Yeah, this seems like... I'm not gonna call this strategic error in terms of the draft, because I kinda like the idea of what they were trying to go for.
They just weren't able to fight the right fights and you know props to par vision on playing a very solid mid-game
Wow look at the contrast between current no one and no one in that last game all smiles seems very happy with the performance
He's woken up. It's I wouldn't he be he had a
Outstanding game on purpose that actually flawless 11 1 & 8. Hmm not bad. Okay. Well that means we're going to a game 3 Richard
It does and what wasn't flawless was our analysis which was
horrendous we really thought the South South American rejects draft is gonna be
amazing it didn't really pan out that way but I've got to say Paravision
Cinder and hit the nail on the head of contrast from game one to game two vibe
seemed to be up everyone's back and puppy did say you know look in that
interview we did with Slacks we've had the talk you know yeah to be honest
my shitty yeah he's this is why he's a perfect coach for them and this is
why I will always root for them because I think they represent like all of us a
little bit where there's obviously just a little bit of toxicity on the team
negative emotions but from the talking to no one a lot and knowing what the
vibes are on the team like they're getting into arguments they're fighting
yes it's happening but they're solving they are actually having the
conversations they're actually listening to each other and they're
improving you know what I'd like to see a whole tournament where they just have a
solid mentality the entire time yes of course but it's also really nice to see
those tears happen within a series itself and then they can solve it very
quickly between game one and game two because a lot of teams can't do that once
they lose the mental like that it's just it's just straight up gone it's
you know like well on one side you've teams like liquid that just never seem
to lose the mental, but I feel like it's much more human to admit that like this game is
stressful.
You're playing at the highest possible level.
Like the pressure is on.
Sometimes you're going to break.
Maybe something is more often than others, but when you do break, you need to go to
the boys, listen to them, talk to them and come back together.
And they did it in this, in this game.
It's like the puppy difference.
Yeah.
They look really rough on camera in game one.
And yeah, this is the type of difference that coach can make.
They bring out the energy, they tell the boys, yo, it's fine, let's just forget about
game one, let's go into game two, get a better plan, be confident guys, you got this, no one
probably woke up from game one to game two.
And I think South American really, they suffered this game.
Why did they suffer?
They had an amazing start of the game.
The first 10 minutes, they went great.
Mid lane, he was almost double the net worth of the puck.
Off lane, they got the power like 5 minutes 30, a matchup they were supposed
to lose.
And, past 10 minutes, they got scared, they stopped doing the plays, they stopped moving around the map,
they were just content farming, and Peri took that opportunity, they started farming stacks,
they had so many stacks in the triangle, ancients, the 9th class was just spamming chakra
on no one, just basically double orb this wave, double orb these two camps, farm this, farm that,
Zero deaths on 9th class as well, we just decided we're going to get as fast as possible
South American USA. Always been my stride, they didn't do anything about it, yeah.
I saw you thinking that. I was not, I was not, but it's worth it for no one because
you know as much as I do believe in Voker is also like a staple hero for him, when he came back
onto the scene and was like the you know the old guy coming back he really was not old,
He's just bald.
Mid-twenties.
Yeah, he comes back into the scene, you know,
and has this like dominant performance.
He was playing puck like every game,
and really bad matchups and winning with puck.
So to me, like new age, no one,
this is a comfort pick for him.
So if there's some sort of issues
in terms of confidence in the team,
just give him stacks,
give him his best hero that he's comfortable on,
let him like carry 1v5 own in a game,
get that confidence back, go into game three,
and you know, we'll see the pair vision
we all know and love.
I mean, I'm glad you brought that up and I'll get Weehaw's opinion on this obviously as a player.
I do feel Paribish can have this tendency, especially in game 1s, to maybe over cook a little bit in the draft.
And, you know, a lot of that does get channeled through 9-class because he will literally play anything.
And I just think when they keep it simple and people get their best heroes, you put Satanic on a, you know, a hypercarry and you give no one a reliable mid, they just look better.
they do and this is the main reason why a lot of things ban 9 classes heroes in the first phase
because they do this experimenting thing and then when it works it looks scary
and teams have to adjust and suddenly they're focusing on a support player when they have
satanic and no one as i mentioned in the beginning of the series but i think giving satanic kids
he's looked amazing right now i think he's five in zero or six in one now but but you remember
But as you said at the start of the series, that one lost 9 class.
We counted it at 60.
In my heart, the one lost doesn't exist, because it was a 9 class loan druid.
We don't talk about that.
So in my heart, he's 6-0, statistically, he's 6-1.
Wasn't there some crazy reddit guy that wanted to get in touch with 9 class and say, I
pioneered the loan druid thing?
I think I saw a thread like that.
Some VIPO guy?
Yeah, maybe.
It was insane.
It's like, you're not pioneering anything, bro.
We're talking about 9 class.
And I'm not touching that talk.
Yeah, good.
I'm saying that.
Why don't we take a look at the 24-minute comparison here?
We've been talking about Night Stalker.
Is he going to come into the meta?
Largo, we thought, would be out of the meta.
Obviously, unbelievably strong last patch, just a must ban in competitive play.
But here we go.
This is what they looked like in the head-to-head.
It's kind of cool on this patch to see, like, on last patch, every off-laner was
a Largo player.
Now we have the first patch where if someone's playing it. They are a Largo player
It's because he was really overpowered on the first patch now
We're seeing the people who just like really vibe with it
Would you say it's become a specialist here?
Yeah to a degree it kind of it kind of is and like triple S seems to be the only person that can make it work
Like even 33 couldn't really make it work. He has a
Crazy amount of network over Frank like Frank was struggling
I think this is the big issue that we've seen with Night Stalker
It's a classic issue of if you fall behind you're far and just
Yes, he went for a might as I think after the blink figure. He had a cute up couldn't get to it
I mean you can see here by the way
This is super nice from do call us just pre emptying. Yeah TP into the into the trees like it
Sealed the deal for the game like just a small little play like that and it starts a team fight
It's right in front of the enemy base. You kill one hero. You take the base
I still see a massive issue as I saw right now. They basically pick these heroes. They want to be their aggressors
They pick nice talker Y so they can deal with the puck, right?
You have this guy here silence
He buys blink on nice talker and he just believes the puck
I don't feel like they have a great solution for that on the side of Perry
So he had a lot of freedom especially with the how the lane went. He had a fast blink
But then they just decided
we're not gonna do anything just let them farm and I think this is a very very
bad plan if you draft in this way you need to be the aggressor you need to
go and do what the years are supposed to be doing because as we can see they
just relax too much and just give parry like all the items only puck has a
BKB satanic is like again got to this point we have four items he's
killing roshan in like five seconds and then he has ages and just deleting
everybody who's sitting in front of them and it's a big problem they're focusing on this
legion.
We'll see if they are able to reset in the same way that Paravision did.
So yes thanks to some puppy power Paravision have tied up the series, we'll see who's
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Hero changes, map changes, a lot happened in 7.41, so we decided to catch up with the
pros and see what they thought were the biggest changes to their gameplay.
I would say I get to farm more ancients as a mid player because the sidelaners don't
have their ancients anymore, that's probably the biggest change.
I think it gives me more opportunities to pick different heroes every game, instead of
just playing one or two heroes, like Jakiro Varlak and overall, the game becomes more tense,
like it's faster.
Oh, it's faster!
Yeah, it's, yeah.
I mean, we can see in this tournament, games are ending like 30 minutes, 35 minutes.
It's not anymore, we are playing at 11 p.m., so yeah.
For sure it's your heroes, but the lane is almost the same.
where I'm gonna play after the lanes in the master lane of the mid game it's there
my gameplay what was I playing last match I feel like TA was really dumb
last patch you know she's more of like a normal hero so I feel like that
affected me because I love TA super TA spammer and what has affected me I mean
I feel like last patch kind of buffed me because I mean I'm like an aggro
player and I don't like the fact that there were ancients I just have to farm farm farm
I feel like definitely Tundra was happy with the ancients and they were suddenly got removed
yeah yeah I like the new safe fling I feel like this patch is nice for me
to be honest it's just some new addition heroes like Beno and maybe Ange
but the biggest changer is probably I think Wolo and Jackiro has been picked less
But I don't know, it feels the same when you see Kairi still playing that 2-0 always.
So you just kind of feel like there is a much changes in this patch.
I know, completely changed everything.
Yeah, now it's meat is not 1v1.
Now it's like, stay 5v5.
So I know everything changed. I don't know how to end anymore.
Yes, welcome back. Vibeshift for ParaVision, and now we go into the draft.
But I will say this, the essay rejects, you never know what you're going to get.
We talked about it at the start of the show.
They will pick off meta stuff, they will pick crazy stuff,
they've got pocket picks that they can dominate the game with.
So there's lots to think about as we head into this decisive draft.
I want to talk about what they can do better from last game.
So Game 1 and Game 2 were very similar for South American rejects.
They did this 10-minute aggressive plays after a good laning stage, and basically, even in Game 1,
they were content with just giving enemies free farm.
The Mipo was top-newered for like 20-25 minutes.
The difference between Game 1 and Game 2, Parry did not make the same mistakes.
Yes.
Parry in Game 1, as I talked about no one, he did give many opportunities to South American Rejects
to open up the game. The game too, he woke up, he did not make the same mistakes and suddenly Barry
looked unstoppable. What I want to see them do is if they commit on a draft that's focused on early
aggression, they need to make it happen. And I love this pick as well. Well I mean we talked about
it right? Yesterday Slardar, it seems to be forgotten about. He might be still the most
successful hero of the patch. He's certainly here in Valahia. He's certainly right up there
and obviously there you go obviously it can be a bit of a flex as well but i mean just seems to be
very strong from the midline i mean already queen is kind of locked into mid so solder is not going
to be a flex because putting solder into queen yes is is bold yeah make triple triple us playing it
as solder is a weird one because i feel like we forget about it because it's kind of
of boring and it sometimes makes it through the draft,
but like the pros don't forget it, you know?
It's they always like slam pick this immediately.
Like Phoenix is another one where the heroes are just kind of
they don't feel like exciting, I guess, to see picked,
but the pros like they really, really like getting them,
but they're not like crazy lane dominated
or anything like that.
Just like if you have a starter on your team right now,
it feels like you always win the carry to carry matchup.
He's so tanky when you can go for like Blink Dagger, BKB, and it effectively is like you have aura items, you know, you don't even have to have the agonum scepter or anything like that.
I think he's just generically good for very vanilla reasons right now, which is why it's like easy to forget him.
It feels like they're speedrunning this track by the way.
Both.
Yeah, I mean the first game was the same.
Very fast draft, but also as well, very different.
And the Necroban again from Peri, this may be some hidden info, some scrim information that we're not aware about.
And obviously the Ember and the Puckban from Sara because of the Queen, picking first pick Queen like that.
You need to deal with his counters or else he's going to have a bad time.
Going for the classic Enchantress.
Yeah, El Misho has played this hero as long as I haven't known the guy.
Opens up the map a lot so the Queen can get the space she needs.
Right now the way I see this hero working, you need to open the map in order for the Queen to get a minimum of two items.
And that's either...
In this room it has been lost a couple of times, but I do believe in a Sanchukaya better, and then the second one should be Aghanim.
They go for the voice spray to answer the Queen of Pain.
No, I understand the...
Nothing, no one here as well.
Yeah, I understand the puck band because it's no one and he just dominated with it
But actually in this tournament, I would say the hero he's looked the best on for me is void spirit
Like the the stuff that he does
We showed a little bit of it in like the pregame
clip where
His mechanics are just really good. Like he doesn't miss ether remnants. He's on every single rune
He's moving his camera around even at like two minutes into the game
You can see he clicks to the side lanes to see if there's a small rotation
He can make if somebody like over commits just feels like right now the way that no one operates within this team
Like void spirits are really good hero for him
South American region for the winner. What are the worst win rates? That's why the laughing. Oh, yeah, we just we we miscollect us something
That they play it. No, which which will will play this one
Yeah, you would play you saw which there it he played it once and lost twice with it
Any chance this could be a support one or maybe I mean
this
They have to sort of cook a little bit more right with this drop that they can't be disobvious
I agree like feels like a waste of skill field. They have 24
So I assume they want to keep it open and the terribly comes out
Yeah, as I mentioned before
South American regis if they want to commit on the early game draft
They need to bring the aggression but seeing as game on game two didn't really go that way
I would love to see this go in a different direction like you know for late game some insane late game hero and put the winter on for
For the side of yeah for which maybe some faces void
Windrunner on floor and then pick PL comes to the terrible. Oh you every time a terribly comes out
It's not a bad deal game by any means
there's the lane is gonna be a bit rough against father, but
But they don't have a way to deal with them, Mario.
Still don't believe in this one, Ron.
Since the patch came out, I've only seen the heroes mostly lose, the only one I've actually
seen win on the heroes, actually Nightfall.
I saw it.
He saw four pubs in a row.
Oh, okay.
I think Mikkei might have played it here.
I'm trying to remember it was early in the tournaments, and an elderly man.
I think it comes out as the winner and player as well, but in my opinion, I think that feels better.
What do you guys think about, you know, on the topic of PL, what do you think about Naga siren against Terrablade?
It's also like one of the best matchups in the game, and I feel like that does better against Slardar and Lane.
It's a weird matchup, because Naga doesn't really deal well with the Terrablade.
PL on the other hand, he has this like non-stop illusions that come out.
it's like limited in that sense and since it's only physical damage you kind of
take all the peel the trouble is for you so probably does have an easy time
killing the illusions whereas in peel it just keeps making them over and over
and over again it just never stops it's hard to get the damage in on the
peel I mean they could also just simply run the wind as a carry you're gonna
go for maelstrom magic damage you've a good early game against TV and then
Play for some yeah four position. I mean looking at the tournament right now. It's it's been played as Kerry
Though the win ranger. Yeah, I do believe it's a bad win ranger game because of the matchup
Boyd Spirits a lot of both very good against the windrunner
Mm-hmm, and my pain TV is very good too as he will get MTV at some point and if he does
It's just impossible to get on top of the finnablay
It's overwhelming damage and the windrunner just very low armor here
that doesn't really buy armor items
buys a lot of stats but no armor
the shaker ban pairing
respecting the skullfield shaker
from game 1
and then a 5 pulse ban from South American Regix
i can't believe phoenix made it through until the very last ban phase that's crazy
they're kind of sticking to the last game and where both teams are kind of
using the last pick as a support.
That's a Grimstroke, very good against Pangos.
Oh yeah, and QWOP too.
And QWOP, yes.
Probably gonna see another support here, unless...
I would really love to stay against this Void.
I think they need to go late game.
They're playing very well on the waiting game.
The thing is, they're drafting for the early game.
They should play for the late game for sure.
They will have much better chances.
There's plenty of time to think about it, whatever it's going to be, but...
They're saving a lot of time.
Generally what you need to do when you have absolute last pick.
It's really hard in this patch to find something that's like gotcha pick.
Yeah, the cheese, the last pick cheese.
Yeah, it doesn't really exist anymore.
A lot of the time, the cores are so good, you're stuck in this position where you're like,
Like do we do a
Winner-carried we do some weird swap like you have to do something weird to your draft to get yeah gotcha pick
I also feel as well like teams are just so wise to the last pick cheese pick no
It's like you're never gonna get that perfect her scar game. Yeah, you shouldn't they're just they're just gonna pan it out
I mean even the faces boy right now obviously has a bad match up against the sardar. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's true
But no one didn't care last game. He picked book into the pango. We didn't care
I mean clockwork is still in the pool. It's just it's go feel clockwork. Yeah, it's I mean it's good like with inch
It's good with the heroes that sIR have
But against you don't do much against void spirit like terribly doesn't really care about clockwork mental damage
Clockwork cogs like I'm not sure if anybody shares this feeling
But when I play against clockwork and he comes to the lane and uses his second spell and he just pushes cog after cog
Mm-hmm. I
I really want to abandon the game. It just makes me furious.
Well, and there it is. Get ready to be furious with you.
You get cocked.
I love the way Scofield plays clockwork.
I mean, seriously, like his clock is on another level.
I just love how he plays.
He's always on the other side of the map.
Legit. Nobody plays it like him.
And I think they should.
I think people should look at Scofield as an example of what you can do with
like like you're saying we cogs are so disruptive the way he uses it is to
like abuse the map where if he'll run at your wisdom shrine completely alone
he'll run to your side of the jungle and he'll just he'll just watch you he'll
like a peeping Tom in the corner he'll just watch you farming all four heroes
have to run on him he presses cogs hits one at like the guy that can chase him
with blink and then runs off down the river super speedy like he always
makes a ton of space on this here are more than other clockwork players
Dude, there are a lot more focus. It is the thing will Paribish and fall into the trap
We've seen so many teams in the past of if he's on the other side of the map stealing your shit
Are you gonna chase him? No, don't chase go field never chase go field on club. I was chasing to the end of the world
Little role by this you know drop
but
In this game judging from the last two games, I
I feel like Perry again has the better leg game.
Once the time against the MKB, the overwhelming damage with the corrosive haze, no one has
like good piercing slows to the BKBs for the winner.
I feel like if the Ghost of the leg game, Perry is heavily favored.
South American Rates do have the Queen of Pain, which is a wild card.
It can either really pop off or be completely underwhelming as we've seen in the past
in this tournament.
I would go for Perry at this time.
I do like the draft.
I think we saw this exact matchup, like no one versus Dark Mago, Void Spirit versus Queen of Pain in the previous series,
and no one did very well in lane, like he dumpstered him.
Dark Mago did max scream, he didn't have a single level in Shadow Strike,
so that might have been part of why he did so well on the Void Spirit.
Yeah, so I mean, it's just, it's really cool to see in Dota, like, when you have the same thing repeated,
like what did the players learn from the previous one?
Obviously, I think we'll just go repeat the same thing and like if it ain't broke don't
He's the type of guy was played this one-to-one match. I probably practiced it a couple of times
We know exactly what is yeah, yeah, but for mega like what what's he gonna do?
He's got to change it up. What's he gonna do? Well ask our commentators because I can hand you over now as soon as fan and syndrome
Game three
Paravision versus South American rejects otherwise known as rejects of course
Yeah, we get your I think actually your favorite hero clockwork is picked. Yeah, I'm interested to see what you think about that
I also want to mention
The hero that I used to hate watching because it was every single game for eight years
Hmm is terribly, but it has been a while. I will allow this. Okay
I'm sure Satanic is asking your permission to win this good. You should
respect your elders as they say. The hero in your top right here is probably one
of the most crazy heroes of the tournament so far. They got their hands on
that, the Slardar, going to be run by Triple S, and they're comboing it with
Terbler. So clearly the physical damage is not going to be a concern for the
side of par. They've got that in spades. And the part, the Terbler picks actually
very stable here, right? Like the heroes you saw at the time, you saw the
pango, you're good against that. I would say you're pretty decent
against Windranger as well, even though it was picked into you. I don't think that match-up
is that bad anymore. And of course, playing with the Slardar just makes things even better.
Yeah, I think this is a good setup for a type of game that Satanic is in his element with,
where he is the true hard carry of the lineup. He has amplification from teammates,
and he just gets to farm a ton and win late. I agree with Lee. I don't think this dire
line-up wins late game. Even though they have QWAP, who is still a late game monster, I just,
I've lost a bit of faith in this carry Windranger. I'll be honest with the changes. I think this new
Axe is not as good as the old one was. She lost obviously a lot of the value out of Tangled,
which was what made this hero broken as a carry. It was that facet. So I don't know,
I just don't really consider it that good of a carry. And I understand there's some
merit to it here you're good against Lara and you're all right against
Terablade but I didn't have that hell yeah factor when this hero was picked
now so we'll see we shall no one's gonna be playing the void spirit which has
looked a bit underwhelming depending on the game but I feel like in this game to
me it makes a lot more sense because it's kind of a do everything you don't
You don't need to necessarily do all the damage, but you can set things up for Satanic and of course Slaughter to just finish the job, so I think that makes a lot of sense.
But yeah, I think a lot is on the shoulders of Darth Maaga on the clock. In Game 1 he was disgustingly affected. The Skullfield getting gone on and destroyed by 9 classes illuminate.
This is a very, very good lane partner for Slardar.
Caudal can give you double crush, and one of the concerns for Slardar in the early laning stage is
a crush is relatively expensive for the size of your mana pool.
You can see it costs 100 mana and his pool is 300.
So you very quickly run out of juice.
But with Caudal, every time you're in close proximity to anything, you can just crush for free.
So it's very hard for Clockwork to try to play offensively here,
here and it begs the question if this is the right laning setup from South American
Rejects to begin with overplaying clock with pango bot and just pulling waves but
seems like the mindset is we will try to pressure tear blade with enchantress I
don't know if that's gonna work because pango's damage is bad against TB yes
11 base armor pango can only deal physical damage this would have been
better actually with the old pango where shield crest was magical yeah that
would have helped them a lot for this lane matchup, but does it can't really do that?
I don't know if this is going to pay off.
Oh, maybe Elvishill pops off?
You got the impetus against Terribli?
He's not going to skill it, though.
That's too bad.
Until later.
It's not good enough on level one.
So.
Alright, talk to me about this.
Skilfield on the clock, we're doing a lot of work against SSS.
Witz is there, but the blinding light should keep him safe.
Yeah, so like we pointed out what we generally see from clockwork players
I think the one who played it the most recently that was very close to a kill
Has been Yamich and what Yamich does is he doesn't skill battery assault. He goes 0-4-3
And the way he interacts with lanes is just putting down cogs and then spam
Baby, did he actually have vision there?
My goodness. I think he caught a glimpse of him with the clockwork walking over maybe through the trees
But yeah, what clockworks will, or rather what some clockworks have seen at least will
do is they'll just max cogs and just use them from range.
Because when you have the big cogs, you could knock people into the cogs from the inside.
You cannot do that with the small ones.
So you, or rather when they are inside.
So if you walk out of the cogs and you start shooting them at people in the cogs,
they don't get burned.
So you kind of have to either, you're choosing now between keeping them in or walking
out and then shooting things at people who are outside the Cogs.
The upside to that trade off now is, since the Cogs aren't big anymore, you can only
get out by destroying it.
The old Cog you could take one monoburn and then walk through.
So it's a give and take.
Is that a bug though that you can't, you're saying when they're in the Cogs and you
walk out and you shoot a Cog at them?
Yeah.
I actually did notice this in my game.
I thought it was bugged.
Oh, it's bugged.
That's intended.
Yeah.
Why?
I think it's a balancing thing. I think if you could also knock them inside that would be kind of crazy probably
Like how would it work? I guess you could bounce and then be immune. I would
You're just chain. Yeah, sure. I mean there's tons of ways to balance. I would say it's not intuitive though, right? I agree with that
That explains my poor clockwork performance
It caught me off guard myself, you know, I made the exact same mistake in this new patch
I picked clock and I was like all right. I'm gonna cock them walk out and shoot the cocks and I'm like
Why is nothing happening? Yeah
I don't even know if it was listed in the patch notes that that got changed
I feel like I would have remembered because that is one of the heroes I pay attention to
What could be wrong?
What was listed was that you can walk through the cogs yourself like they lower under you and then you get out
It was a bit vague. Yeah
Might find an opening yarn tonight class. No never mind. Just walks through hasn't skills third skill point yet here
It's go filled maybe considering the two and battery assaults to
try to put some more pressure up here. Now what is clear is that this is a lane
matchup has worked out very well for them. Windranger is dwarfing the
opposition, almost a thousand against the slaughterer, obviously a lot of that
coming from the nice power shot assassination kill. So it's a good
start this time around for the rejects compared to game 2. And what we both
want to see I'm sure is more activity, like just look for more fights,
You have a clockwork. You have the mid-quap that popped the hell off.
Yeah, imagine this lineup for Rejects not being across.
Yeah.
It's like, really, what is the point?
Yeah.
Every single one of those heroes wants to be involved.
Yeah, I really think they're going to try to up the tempo in this one.
And I think it's the right approach, especially against Terablade.
I don't think you want to take it slow.
This is an interesting dynamic that's going to be in this game.
The fact that they have Chakra Magic against the monobron of Clockwork actually makes it a little bit...
a little bit worse with the cog spam I know this is not relevant for the game
but of course that means I want to talk about it you got to hold that thought
astral step for no one tell me show pretty healthy though yeah as the heels
in spades I say that satanic shows up and a couple casual right click a little
but now out of range should be fine yeah not fast enough to catch up to
Bench.
Anyway, what do you think of the Clockwork Ags?
Just out of curiosity.
Now that you've had a chance to...
Well, maybe you haven't used it.
I haven't bought it.
Of course you haven't.
Piece of garbage.
Okay, that's uncalled for, but...
It's such a cool item now.
This is what I envisioned for it when they first introduced Overclaw.
Yeah, that it like, empowers all of your abilities.
Yeah, I mean, technically it did, but it was like, one of them was obviously just
what everybody was using it for.
SSS getting pushed out of the cogs, Skofield.
Oh!
Nicely done. We'll take the wisdom shrine. Elmisho gets the others. A sonic wave deletes Dukalis
So South American rejects showing up in full force here and
Classics both field just walks in and
Drops down some nice cogs there and gets both wisdoms. That is pretty nice for them
It's gonna mean a much lower level six for caudal and grim stroke
So a nice delay
What do I think about the X I think conceptually the way it works is cool
And it's like with every patch velvet trying more and more to bring block three back, you know like the good old days
It's just not enough yet. Like the hero still has the glaring issue of it doesn't farm
So how can you play a hero that can't farm as a core?
I think the one patch they did the most to try it actually was the one where battery assault that double damage to creeps
I think that one well the problem is they did that for like 20 other heroes to yes
Yeah, I suppose. But that gave him a chance at doing it, but I do like that they reverted that.
Because I think just giving every hero a wave clear and farming is just not that great.
Mark Mago might want to go on. He doesn't have the Sonic Wave, Skofield's creating so much space.
He's actually going pretty deep in no one with the Astro Step away to call us super dead, Frank.
Not a whole lot of mana, but in that rolling thunder we'll force out no one into his base.
Lot of early pressure here from the rejects
It's fascinating. This is the same team that played the game. We just watched it's like I know where were they? It's kind of crazy how
How much you can change from game to game with mindset and just adjusting one
Wait, how do you kill him? He didn't even know it was just a power shot
Yeah, I mean here doesn't have much HP magic damage the fact that he just comes in for a quick
Hit and run through the gate is hilarious.
I mean there must have been something else that hit him first right like why was he low to begin with?
He was just farming the lane and pango was mid. Yeah, I didn't see. So why was he in kill range?
He's just farming our lane like this. Yeah
Hey man, that was actually really good. I should not have hit boxes are bigger than I thought I guess
That is some Achilles shit right there. He died from
He's getting shot through the I
I don't know what you call it the the tiniest little bit of your heel
Was enough to take out the tear blade. Oh, so he took 324 damage from neutrals beforehand. That's what they're showing, so
huh
From rabble rounds. Oh, oh, it was an inch creep. No, that doesn't list as neutrals does it?
Think swell
But and have the damage trying to take out these skelly boys with all that rally damage
But honestly, this is really worrisome at this point for for par vision. I think this is just not a good enough laning stage
I know they're unfavorite in it
Given the specialty enchantress factor
But I think the wind ranger has got way more than she bargained for in the top lane with the multiple slaughter kills
No one's in a lot of trouble here as a haste room for dark mago has to go into the cogs of scope
You know the sonic wave hits them and no one that drops to the deck nine class next on the list an eight one
advantage for the rejects looking like game one rejects. Yeah, and the problem
this time around for par vision in comparison to game one is that I don't
think they have nearly as much fight in them this early. Terribly needs to farm.
Void Spirit has a bad, really bad start here. Look at the net worth discrepancies
on the cores. This is alarmingly bad. Like Slardar 2.8k, Void Spirit 3k.
You're 2k down on both core positions and on top of that the enemy team has
one of the best scaling force in the game in Ench. So this is a very, very big 5k lead.
Another nice power shot clipping him there. And I like this from no one. I don't think
he had any better play than this, but you know, it's just going to get Sonic to die.
Maybe if he was clutch and got the step off before the wave clips him there, he probably
still dies.
Well, the panel, and you did talk about this, the fact that Reject did have to
get off to a good start.
Oh yeah.
They're not going to have late game. But this is, I'm sure far better than
anybody could have anticipated.
This is well into the dream scenario for them and 9-class trying to delay the push, well
edge creeps are a bitch, so you are still going to lose your tower.
Wits will finish the job.
Skullfield?
Just being in like, classic Skullfield fashion.
If you ask me, I don't know what percentage of this game I would give a 7k lead to
this team at minute 12. It's like a very, very low percentage. So they've nailed it. They've
done all things right with good laning, good rotation.
They really need this kill. Frank with the swashbuckle. He's still stuck on the high
ground though, trying to kill off the phantom's embrace. Not going to be in time, although
the rolling thunder, no. Another second he may have lived, but...
The fact that that was close is kind of... I think maybe he...
I mean, if he got the swashbuckle onto the low ground, he probably is fine.
Yeah, or the shield crash. I think it just turned incorrectly.
Uh, just wrong-facing.
Nothing comes for free.
Or, well, does it.
SSS has no mana.
She's running into the cogs.
You know how the hero works?
Anyway, Skofield sacrifices himself.
Now, some heals coming out from 9-class, finally.
And they will protect their stacks.
So, Skofield trying to be cute there, but...
Well, he was cute.
That's cute. Yeah.
Successfully cute, but not successfully taking any stacks.
So this stops the bleeding a little bit. Now we're down to 5k again.
Still very good in the way of the rejects.
But keep in mind, their lineup, in terms of teamfight prowess,
they have a lot of damage, but they don't have a lot of control.
There's the clockwork and there's a pango roll.
Shackleshot are not going to count as a reliable solution,
especially not against these types of heroes.
Against Terrablade it can be hard to land it correctly.
Against Voidsper it's obviously very hard.
and Slardar often times will be very fast and be the initiator so we'll see
they can find the picks if nothing else this is what you want to do regardless is
try to constrict the map like make it smaller so terribly it doesn't get to
just push out with illusions try to box them in yeah they're trying to bait
El Misho but Paravision not biting because they've been punished every
single time this game. No one has Spirit Vessel will be going for the shard so that he can
actually get some farm on this hero and looks like Paravision are looking to smoke now.
Yeah what do you think about the vessel? This is not something a lot of players go anymore
in Void Spirit.
Oh!
On the Dark Mago, the science comes a little bit late and the Ink Swelt does hit. Can
they find a connection? Dark Mago, Illuminate, does do a decent amount of damage but
now the reinforcements are there. Sonic Wave completely avoided, I do believe from
No one, or maybe not, it's hard to tell in that instance.
Either way, it's enough damage as no one's surrounded.
So Tannick gonna dodge the ball,
and then he'll put it into this fight, so.
That's a pretty big oof, though.
That was just bad execution.
They failed to jump onto the quapsures
in the middle of the creep wave,
so they didn't connect with the Aether remnant.
She blinks out and then
overzealously chases him into the tower.
So effectively, no one just gave a kill
over to South American Rejects there, which is, of course, for them more than welcome.
Another insane start for Dark Mago on the QWOP.
We saw him pop off, I mean, one.
This could be a repeat.
Now, this time he doesn't have the Mipo, but guess what?
There's other illusions that you can throw your Shadow Strikes on.
We haven't talked about that yet, but when Terrible pops Manta and has Conjury Images,
those Shadow Strikes do a ton of damage in fights.
So unsurprisingly, Dark Mago is going to make that item a priority here and go Kaia Veil
into Ag's next.
If you can do that again, Satanic's going to be having nightmares of Queen of Pain.
And clearly, they pick the first phase.
If it's the Arcana, I wouldn't mind that myself if I'm being honest.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Understandable, I guess.
You can have it.
Thank you.
I don't have the Arcana.
No, that's unfortunate.
It's the one year I didn't buy anything in the battle pass.
It's fine though, sure you can get it anytime soon.
I don't play the hero at all, so it really doesn't matter.
It is still, we agree that that is one of the singular best sets.
We made it here, Liss, that's number one.
We both had it up there.
Don't feel spotty, it's filled off.
Nice and easy.
That's a hook shot now though.
A little bit late to the level 6 party.
Now this is one of the things that has changed with Clockwork as well.
And this patch is that level 15 talent I actually think is really, really strong.
You get minus 10 second hookshot cooldown on 15.
And what that does is when you hit 18, your hookshot is a 20 second cooldown.
And there's a ton of fights where you get to have an additional cast.
The lower cooldown?
Yeah.
The original AXE.
Oh, the original AXE.
It lowered it, I think, to exactly 20.
Yeah, that sounds right, actually.
So yeah, now you just have that at 18 with that talent.
And the other talent isn't very good.
So I think you're just generally going
to take that battery assault damage is not.
And one day it will be good.
I promise you.
That is cool.
That is a long-ass TP.
Oh my god.
They actually walked just around him,
saw the Illuminate cast, and assumed he would walk back.
But he stuck around in the trees,
subverting expectations.
That's right.
Standing still is the best thing to do against a pro.
can counter strike and dota
yeah
speaking of which
there has been a pudge game
we haven't seen it though ourselves
unlucky
one day
now me show couples with skull field
creating a lot of space here again
I'm sure will be crushed will be killed
it's a pretty good death
for long
you know that's the most tilting thing that you say
when we play
Does that is a long time ago every time I die like that was a good death?
Yeah, you're always really happy when I died then I didn't mean it though. I do mean it now
and the crush
And Almeysha in a lot of trouble
Do they have the job? Maybe they don't have enough to finish the job untouched was pretty annoying
Darkmongo joins the party go back to try to initiate on him with all these ancients nearby the rolling thunder coming as well
Darkmonger is extremely low, does get taken out. A huge kill for Paravision as they get the bash onto the enchantress. Another death
to the dire lineup as SSS
finishes the job there.
That is a... Showing some signs of life. Very aggressive blink
from Queen. You do not currently have a Bloodstone, Octurine,
and BKB.
So blinking into trouble like that. Maybe he just wasn't anticipating the soulbind counter play.
It was very swift from the colis, but that's a very very costly mistake
That's half your lead gone. You lose your bot tower and you lose your curve
my club was looking to potentially be top net worth once again and
Losing some ground here. You can see in the last five minutes gained 1,000 gold less than the terror blade
So actually 1300 so she was ahead of him and that distance has been narrowed you got to be a little bit careful
I mean this is Dark Mago's biggest strength and weakness in my opinion is this aggressive play when it works. It looks insane like he's
No one
Playing to the limits of the hero. He nailed it in game one with zero deaths this time around
It was a bit too early and a bit too weak of a position to be in to do it
And it sucks for him obviously because that could have maybe been a good fight with some co-op spells, but
Bargueson took it for that reason. This lead has been cut into dramatically now
I thought this was going to be one of those 7k leads into 12k into this game winning
And this is what I was about to bring up fact that para vision
They have a really good Roche lineup in terms of killing Roche all they need to do is find the pickoff
Which Scofield has been the one to die this game classic
It's just shelling down here
trying to either be the target or at least get information. Maybe planning
something around the tormentor could be the idea. This is a big moment. I'm gonna
be smoking behind. This is not that telegraphed because the waves top and
mid are around the middle of the wave so perhaps this can work but it looks
like our vision have a pretty good idea and they're gonna smoke themselves
now. This could be a good old-fashioned full clash but who is
getting jumped. No one with the ink swell. They get the bash onto Dark Mago. The rolling
thunder a little bit too late. No, actually he gets there in time. Trying to get to the
low ground. The Sonic wave comes out from the sideline. 9th class is the first to fall as
Wits gets a double. Just like that, Rejects have the number advantage. No one with the
astral into TP. Do they have the bash? They have the shackle and the kill. And
now Rejects are the ones that can potentially go for Roche. Although, looks like Dark
Mago did fall to SSS at the big one. Chased him down, Corosive Hayes was on him so I knew
where he was going and went for the blink crush in the tree line so I found that at the very
least on the way out. But yeah that was what I was going to say here. It's so much about
who gets the initiation. If QWAP doesn't get to play it makes a huge difference. We saw
that in the previous fight. Now this time around they do get the jump with Slaughter
but the follow through from Void Spirit wasn't there. He was being boxed out
by the pango which was crucial for this becoming a one fight for the dire side. I think
I think we're wanting to go for Tormentor, but just not enough time, and Satanic was taking up a lot of space here.
Yep.
Gonna have to chill. They can still stick around the area though.
Doesn't look like they're going to.
Quap TP's top while she could gate, if they're looking to fight.
But instead it looks like it's the other way around, looking for Queen up top, but...
just took the singular wave and then went off into the jungle.
They open up on him not the best target puts inside the cogs of skull field it seems and I can go bowling a bit
That's meta
It doesn't coddle on his team though. So feels less bad. This is a
classic old combination always think about
When Miracle was playing Terra blade with Kuro coddle or gh coddle
Excuse me, I guess it was at the time in almost all their cases and they were just walking around together
non-stop spamming on illusions. You'd have meta way more frequently. I don't know
exact the exact math for this with level 4 chakra with how many seconds you cut
away from the meta but I want to say you make the cooldown almost half. If you
just spam him whenever it's ready. Not bad, not bad. Gotta be careful though
down this stretch as we've talked about when you have more illusions, more
quap massacre in bounds. Just needs to separate them. Yeah well it's easier
set them down if they won't need to do damage in the fight.
Very easy for Satan.
Oh, not in range for Skowfield.
Good thought though.
But looks like Tormentor will go the way Paravidion.
Yeah, if they were to contest here this week.
Right, right.
Can't kill her without a starter.
Okay.
Caudal has no ulti, so this is very slow.
Rocket's gonna scout.
Caudal now.
This case is too good.
The 9-class shard.
It's very nice to get for free.
Two Solar Vines charges and 100% Illuminate Heal up from 70.
Just a very nice upgrade in general.
It was a phase when support caudals would generally buy this after lock it, but looks
like the standard nowadays is to get a secondary utility item which is coming out right now,
the Glimmer Cape.
There it is.
There it is.
A big item needs to see some payoff for this for South American rejakes if they want to win this game
because they've lost basically their entire lead in terms of economy.
You could argue that they're still ahead in terms of like the right relative strength of the lineups right now.
But you've got to be careful with Satanic getting too big.
The MKB, the panelist talking about important item this game, playing into the Windranger.
Still doesn't have it, but only 1k to go.
And are they just going to fall into the same trap of last game it's feeling like you're just going to chill and be like
It's fine guys. Just relax will farm
I
Wonder if they do that what like first of all who's making that call and why because the last couple of fights
They took were fine right like they're doing well in the fights. They're picking
So have we seen strange? I mean school feels making a lot of space, but has he hooked on an enemy a single time yet?
That's a good question.
One out of two apparently.
You see it, one.
She's cast the spell twice in 25 minutes.
I don't remember the one.
No.
The trust that he hit though.
I believe it.
Did they put any semblance of that old facet where Hookshot gave like barrier into this
hero or did they get rid of it all?
Hey, it doesn't exist anymore.
Like hooking teammates lowers the cooldown.
No, none of it.
I like there was some promise with that, but just didn't materialize, unfortunately.
He's gonna go for Orchid.
That's a late Orchid on clock after this four-staff.
I don't know if I agree with this.
I feel like it's gonna come out when Slaughter obviously will have his BKB,
BKB, Turbolet as Manta, and might also want a BKB later, regardless, um, against Pango and
QWAP. And Void Spirit, against Void Spirit, it's going to be good for a while, because
no one is showing his hand. He's going, uh, eggs with this, uh, point booster, which
is not a very, uh, popular pick up anymore on Void Spirit. We see it in very few
games, but against Queen of Pain and Pango, it feels like a really good value proposition.
to get the double silence.
Rosh not to have to use no one.
He is clearly in there.
He will. The crush ensures it.
Got him.
Felt confident there are two jumps right into his face and that opens up.
For the big man.
Yeah, and Satanic has a damage ring, so this could be a very scary fight for the rejects.
As long as no one is getting picked off like you did with Invoker in game number one.
The crush SSS is going to get really aggressive on the Frank.
Will pop the ult after the roll up.
of the roll-up, no, actually cannot get it up in time and he will drop to the deck instead
and Witt's now on the run, already at half HP, he can't go anywhere, Solarbind keeping
him in place. It's way too easy for ParaVision and yeah, with that MKB just ripping right
through the Windrunner, they should be able to get this tier 2 and, well, we can at
least force out the fortification and Roche is really the bigger objective anyway.
So now, Paravision looking good, again.
It was, I want to say, minute, six or something?
They've done seven pay?
Is that maybe an exaggeration?
That's an exaggeration, but it was very hard.
There's like 30 seconds in the game.
They've done like 10,000 golds.
Crazy.
How did they come back on that one?
Up Sonic Wave.
Open to get silenced.
No one.
Try to keep the pressure on.
They get the crush, SSS.
It's enough damage from Satanic to punish again.
This is just not it, right?
You have two dead cores and you're just YOLO hoping for the best.
Skullfield.
Leading out additional kills for no reason, like this was an, I don't know, I just don't
think that could ever really work against the team of this caliber you're going to see here.
So here's your replay.
There's a hookshot connection that's way earlier in the game, that was the hookshot
that hit.
In case you forgot those 15 minutes ago or whatever, 10 or 15, just to show you
that it did.
Thank you so much.
That was wonderful.
Yeah, here goes the Roche as well.
I mean, this has got to feel really bad for South American rejakes if they end up losing this game.
They had a 6 or a 7k lead minute 11, I believe it was.
Like 2 minutes in a game, right?
Yeah, that's insane, man.
Enemy team had negative gold on all heroes.
They picked up like 20 bounty runs on spawns.
I don't understand.
Oh, that's insane.
Gotta nerf that.
Now, no one will grab his aggs for his efforts,
and he's going to start working on another Manta.
So he and Terribleed could be Mantle Brothers, and once again the clockwork, if he were to finish the Orchid, I think this would be a relatively uninteresting pickup for him.
And the rejects, now it's tough, right? Now there's Aegis on Terribleed.
Yep, now it's Defense Mode.
Not where you want to be.
Alright, it's only a 4K lead, it feels so much more in favor of Paravision right now.
By the nature of the lineups.
They get the science, they get the crush, they get the kill, my goodness, so no one
with the Agatom Scepter really putting in work this game.
It's going to force out the eventual BKV for Dark Mago, but it's just not close
yet.
And we talked about this before, the Agatom Scepter not really very popular anymore
in Void Sphere.
I guess a quap with no dispel or BKB. It's very good temporarily
They get a nice kill and half a tower almost go field will you get out?
Let's go field all the hookshot hits the creeps into the TP successful maneuver
That doesn't count towards his percentage sadly, you know it was a good play see
Context matters here. I would count that as a hit hook.
Okay, I would argue that it shouldn't be counted in the statistic at all because it was a neutral creep who don't move.
So?
So there's no skill involved in hitting.
That's not true. We've talked about it before. Pros get faked out by things standing still.
Neutrals are just really good against pros.
Okay.
Runes as well.
Yeah.
Oh, he did get it.
That's your arc. Wait, did they get rid of that arc ward?
I think they did.
Oh, where he sucks the runes in?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I actually think so.
His facets are very, very interesting.
Whits.
He spotted.
Kinkswell initiation.
The silence is there.
They don't have to crush until now.
Another kill on a core.
70 seconds of no whits.
Magnetic field still pulls runes.
So and the 1.5 all attributes is an 8 for getting a room. Oh, yeah, that's still a thing
This is honestly just a very I
Don't know how to put it just a weird game like
Such a huge leap for rejects
They mess up once or twice in part vision play very cleanly around that the hardest part of the game is where they played the best
And now they kind of just get to
They get to have their way.
Yeah, just calmly just run lane to lane and do whatever they want.
Because now Terribly it's too strong, they have the healing, they have the damage amped
from Slardar, so Rejects just seem incapable of mounting any defense.
Puppy was right, Cinder and they just had to wake up.
Yeah.
Skullfield likely to die to these right clicks indeed.
Satanic now has a Scotty.
How are they winning minute 30 when they were 8k down minute 11 or 9 or 7k excuse me as a very
Let's just keep changing the count 20k down minute 4. That's how are they in incredible performance
They were able to be up by more net worth that existed on a map at the time
I mean obviously if you dissect it and you look into this game there were one or two key moments where rejects just
Didn't it didn't click it didn't land. I think dark mago in this game on his co-op
He's just had too many deaths that were unnecessary
The first one close to their own outpost on the right really slowed him down a lot and then he got caught multiple times
Following that by the slaughter plus void spirit, which is tough
I mean, it's it's a hard matchup for co-op when you can just get jumped and burst by those two heroes in
Combination and unfortunate for him now that he does have the BKB. It feels a little bit too little too late now
Yeah, two sides down. We finally unlocked this heroes potential for the game
Can you overcome this 2% win expectancy?
Not looking good.
Math likes radiant, shockingly.
I don't know, I would say they win one in 50 times.
50, huh?
Hmm, maybe that's not far off.
It's a big, terrible, Shannon.
He's 10K up on Windranger.
Yep.
It's an exceptional pairing,
the terribly caudal for this reason.
Caudal loves to stack for you. He can make...
He just ramps you up the whole game. Just constantly makes you make more illusions and have more meta uptime.
And of course now with Demon's Eel, he also gives you more of that. So...
Pretty damn crazy how these heroes combine.
Very classic combination from... I'll say it was popularized mainly in 2016-17.
Still works to this day. What do you know?
I had to call us, we'll get a free Shard for his Ink Swall.
Thank you, Trent.
The good news for the rejects is there's a lower Bracket.
Yeah, okay, I was gonna say the same thing.
That's the good news.
There's the Silver Lining here.
The bad news is the way you go there.
I think that's what's...
This is not a surprising result.
I was very surprised that they smashed them that hard game one.
Honestly, I was expecting this to be a 2-0 for Parry, so with that perspective,
I don't think this has been a bad showing at all from the rejects the issue I have is not the result
It's the way they lost game 2 and 3 is a little bit worse. It's not what you said. It's how you said it
Okay
Sorry, go ahead. Yeah. No, it's fine. That's good
It's not how you lost that is actually I fucked that up that's right good job
It's a tough game. It's hard to...
It's first game of the day, just like Kuffy said.
Scofield dead.
He dead.
Nope, gets a hookshot. His percentage has gone up now.
SSS in a lot of trouble.
Rolling Thunder is there, and now it's gone.
And now you're gonna stabilize with Kahnl.
Oh boy, Dark Mago.
Blinks in all by himself.
Why?
One versus five.
Why?
And it goes about as expected.
Oh my god, man.
Bloodlust.
There's no ogre in this game as far as I know.
El Mishel.
Got one on the casting desk.
Thank you.
It was me.
Oh, shit.
And this'll be Mega's four pair of vision.
Once it got to a certain point of the game,
it just felt way too easy.
They don't even need to, they can just eight click in a way.
It's just too simple.
And I could have seen this type of way
of this game playing outcoming if they had an even start.
This wouldn't have surprised me.
But man, with the depth that they were at,
this is kind of ridiculous that they get Megazut 35.
That's crazy.
Absolutely crazy.
And now it's just about riding at home here.
Just, uh, you can, you can chill for Roche if you want.
Or maybe you just find an opening and finish the job.
See.
I even went with the focus fire.
Can't take out SSS does not want to get in front of it.
I can wait.
I can wait.
I will set the.
They're running.
They're running.
They're running.
Sheesh.
We need to wait with the.
That's a cool little box. I've never seen that before.
Very cool. Very tanky Slardar with that Agnus Scepter.
He can bait. He can bait all you want. He takes the Focus Fire. Witzruss runs away.
Realizes he does nothing.
Pipe activated, which was just purchased by 9 class.
Still by Nanna 2.
That is a dead panglier for likely the rest of this game.
Dark Mago does blink out in time this time.
He might still die.
They'll die after the Blinks, no one trying to finish the job, can't quite do it.
Not the buildings will fall here as GG's about to come out, surely, surely they've realized that they have lost this game.
Surely it will dawn on them at some point.
They're going to start farming the fountain fortification, they have not been baited in yet to the forfeit as Wist dies in his fountain.
One last sonic wave for the road is Dark Mago. One last 1v5 death for him.
Gigi's called, AirVision. After the game 1 blunder, looked pretty easy, game 2 and 3.
A little bit of an asterisk, maybe, on the first 10 minutes of the game.
But yeah, aside from that, they were just better in the second and third game after waking up.
But yeah, what a strange way this game ran out.
I could have never imagined this lead
would drop that quickly.
And well, credit to PowerVision.
They found the moment of opportunity.
They got it done and make this look, as you said,
quite easy after all that.
PowerVision, maybe the first team in the history of Dota
to have a 20K lead when the game started, Richard.
Yes, yes, an interesting statistic, a very real one,
too, Shannon.
I mean, look, as we said on the panel,
as it occurred to us.
Yeah, we talked about the South American rejects
and how maybe they should think about going to late game
and drafting around the late game.
Once again, got off to an amazing start here.
And then after that, it was all paravision.
Repeat game one, game two.
Once again, they make the same mistake.
They picked this draft, that's early game focus.
They do a much better job of destroying paravision.
The first 15 minutes of the game,
They showed so much aggression with the gates, rotations on the runes, and then just to repeat, they stop it as a TP against you.
Yeah, exactly. You're always on the clock.
The lag game is overwhelming. You're on the clock.
And Paravision just showed, played again, their draft, their timings. Yeah? Not much more to that than that.
I mean, the moment that Satanic picked up the MKBE, it was just all paravision for the rest of the game.
Like, Saurdor-amp plus Satanic doing right-click damage, even like an illusion hitting was like chunking Windranger for like 10% of her HP. It was really insane.
between tribes to make an impact on the leg game but this is not enough this
hero thrives when he has partners that can help him survive and they have this
explosive damage that they just have no answer to no save no frontline they
have pangol so the thing is PB is such an explosive heroes slavar that nobody
can just go in front end up feeding away kill after kill everything fight
Yeah, there's gotta be something to break down here for S.A.R., like, I'm sure this game exposed fundamental issues in their gameplay, considering how far ahead they were, which was 7-0 and 3 at a point, and to lose from that point has gotta feel really rough.
And then on the flip side, for ParaVision,
they kind of seem like the modern tilt team,
like the Bat Boom of old, where it would depend on which
like GPK you get.
I kind of feel like that's been ParaVision
the last few tournaments is super polarizing.
Either you get this flawless team where they're all
showing up at the right time.
They're all making the right moves.
Their synergy seems to be there.
Or just blunder games.
So, I think for them it's like, not even gameplay they need to continue working on, it's just keeping it together within a game.
And SlaDar's supremacy continues. Look at that kill participation.
Classic assassin hero. This guy standing out to me every time he plays on these assassin heroes. SlaDar fits perfectly into his hero pool.
And again, SlaDar is going up in his talks right now. I'm not sure how this hero went past.
I feel like teams realize that the group stage this year is very dangerous.
It's got already like a lot of games, so this is the 21st game, I believe?
Yeah.
Maybe that's 75% of winning, so now it's even higher than that.
Yeah.
I feel like teams should really prioritize this year on the first phase.
I think, like I said, it just gets ignored because it's vanilla.
Like what it does is really vanilla for the game, you know?
Big stunner, amplification, tanky guy, but it's so strong.
I do want to talk about the inexperience from South America.
I think this is the biggest problem.
I feel like they're just not comfortable.
They showed such a good grid game in all three games, early like 15 to 20 minutes,
and then they just crumble. They should really look into that when they go into the laminations.
All right, we're going over to Slux now. He's a devil worshiper. I think he's talking to Satanic.
Absolutely. That is right. We are here with Satanic.
Just like that. Absolutely. Satanic, welcome to the interview, my friend.
Let's talk a little bit about game one. I was sitting in that green room. I'm there
with wee-haw ex-pro player meepo spammer and he keeps saying here comes the concentrated
wraps here comes the wraps they never happened why didn't you buy wraps on that hero he wanted
me to ask you directly because wraps is bullshit item on meepo because wraps is bullshit item
on meepo why don't we process that one on panel you damn noob thank you so much for
clearing that one up suck a little bit about your performance that game you picked up that
Kazan game to first pick insta pick terriblate of course you always play
terribly non-important do you feel like you are the world's best Kaz now
because there was a debate in the last Valakia which was the best Kaz player is
it you is there someone you look up to yeah of course I'm the best so you don't
look up to that guy on Reddit you don't care about that guy what don't
worry about it all right cool moving on what is your favorite character to
play these days who's your favorite hero to try as a carry in your pubs
Yes, of course.
Yes, of course.
I think that might be a lie though, because I watched some high-level replays, and I don't
want to leak this out here, but we did see the carry terror blade several times in your
pubs.
You think that's good?
Bro, I played two pubs, maybe, one I insanely ruined because I don't care.
On CS it's fun to play, I play on CS like 70% of my games, and I smash every
game even if I don't care, like mode.
So this year is just a fun to play.
OK, OK, good to hear.
Do you feel like there's a lot of pressure
on you to win these games out of everyone else on your team?
Because, and we saw game one with the QWAP,
QWAP exploded all those Mipos instantly,
your team kind of fell apart.
Any time it seems like you're having a rough time,
the team's having a rough time, do you feel pressure
from your team, or is there someone else
that it's important that they win?
I mean, I would say I did my job on Mipo,
and my team should make the difference in the game.
Like, I did my job in 10 minutes.
destroyed like top completely so my team should win the game and me connecting
everywhere taking objectives but in this game it's like when completely bush it
I would say it's like our first loss with me by the way like we won a lot of
meat with me but it's our first loss in third game yeah it was prejudice I
was it was a bit pressure like I tried to I said in game that's okay
It's not funny, it's chill out.
It's fine because the game was super rough in the early game because we lost lanes, like
me, we lost, Top was super fucking hard to lost.
And it was not easy, but I knew we could do it.
Okay, well, fair enough.
Puppy said it was because it was a morning game.
He said that in the morning your team needs a little time to wake up.
Would you agree with that or is that copium from your coach for not doing his job?
I did my job, but not not you not you. I of course you did your job. I understand your question
I am saying like he means that we didn't play good enough
Who cares about game one anyway, you won the series you did fantastic
It was great seeing para vision come out yet again. Congratulations on that
I can't wait to see your next one my man
You want to do a memeable clip where you do the Satan thing, you know, that's your new thing
Yeah, you want to do one of those for us?
Okay, great. Thank you so much guys. We'll throw it back to you
I love I love swag so much, dude. That was an absolute car crash. We did to me
But let's start with the important part you you were called out we have
Raps are bullshit. I am on me, but I'm guessing he means you just don't know what you're talking about
I have time my ground this this guy is newest playing me pause playing me before he was even born
So I'm saying raps is still the item. I have 700 games to prove it
When it's it's fine. He's the pro player right now
And he's on me, but it was in that gave you said first loss with me pro by the way and then blame this team
Agree with him I completely agree with him. He did his job. He did more than his job
Actually, it's Billy should have lived his team. He gave everything to his team on a silver platter and his team just disappointed
I understand it. I don't know. I don't know if you should be if you should be out there
your team, especially when you've just won the series, incredible stuff, but anyway forget
all about that, congratulations to Pyrovision, we're gonna go to a break when we come back.
After that break it's heroic versus Aurora, we'll see you in a moment.
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We've got a wicked matchup now to talk about.
It is Heroic vs Aurora and I think for the morning crew, the early shifters, it's the
first time we've had to talk about Aurora and kind of where they were at since day
one.
So, obviously, came through the playoffs looking really good.
One of the form teams in all of Dota right now.
Yes, they've played against Peri, their CIS matchup, to get into here, and they looked really good, they looked like they were in shape, they're ready.
And the last time, I want to talk about the matchup as well, the last time they met each other, Heroic and Aurora was in PGL last season, where Heroic took the victory 2-1, but Aurora played with V2 instead of Nightfall.
Yes.
So they've proven they can beat these guys.
And we love Nightfall.
nightfall Andrew's favorite player in all of Dota big fan of night God we have not seen a better
carry than him since prime nightfall you know we've meme about the BKB TP stuff but to me that
just goes to show how far he's come because he's actually one of the most active carries in Dota
he will play you know wind ranger and play super active on this patch actually making it work
he plays Ursa, he'll rotate towards mid on Ursa, but we see him also going for like faceless Void,
ultra late game, we were trying to discuss we like is there any hero who actually out carries Void
in the late game? Not really. Mon Druid like Nightfall doesn't touch this hero historically
speaking, but he's still been able to do it. Like this guy is one of the most adaptive players
in in Dota currently, and it's just crazy the difference between new Nightfall and old
nightfall. And I'm thinking you just mentioned the lone druid. I think this might be the hero to be
the face of the void league I'm sure because you have the bear you don't really want to
chrono the bear. You don't care about getting chronoed that's true. Just sitting somewhere in
the fountain farming with this bear. And it's good to bring up lone druid I mean obviously
nightfall you know we probably I don't want to say been critical in the past but I think in
you know he's got a signature hero I'd say it's not to say he's one dimensional but he's got
heroes he likes to play. When we looked up the number of games that he had on the lone
drew it when he started just picking it up here he was like nothing literally nothing yeah um so good
for him you know and he is the windranger player of the tournament i think he loves playing this hero
i saw them pops right before he came here again i mentioned this before they had like
he played four winner of pups in a row and won all four of them so he's definitely an
enjoyer of this hero even though it doesn't have the great of a win rate right now we've
You've also got an interesting clash of personalities, as how we're framing it, to talk with you
about this one.
The difference in the middle-ness.
Yes, so we see here the heroes they play, they're completely opposite.
Oh my god.
Actually, let's start with Mikoro.
Mikoro is a classic mid-flashy player.
Ember spirits, Torn spirits, Void spirit, you know, occasional puck, and then you
have Tylo.
He plays Hoskar.
He plays Viper.
He plays Beastmaster.
heroes eat Mikoro's hero for dinner so I think Mikoro is maybe a bit scared here
and we're gonna see some first days like Oscar bands, Viper bands. Here's the
Ping-Wing. I don't think we've seen the best of Tylon at this event yet I think
he's been very ineffective not because he's playing poorly it's like we
talked about with KJ in the interview they're picking heroes that aren't
like his signatures you know they've had him on bristle made and stuff
like this and that's contributing to his stats being as low as they are because I mean this
kid had one of the higher KDAs at the last season of PGL.
Did you see Mikoto's by the way is 11 KDAs?
This guy always has the most insane KDAs at the Wallachias.
I don't know what it is.
He's probably number one if I had to guess.
I have a clip here that I'm going to talk about in a second about his KDA.
Oh I thought that was the thing.
Yeah I thought that was the thing.
No, no, no.
You can jump in.
Tyloon KD did mention Tyloon plays this here as well.
So this is what I'm talking about, the kill that abandoned Hope.
So Kaori currently is the lowest KDA from the group stage that has made it into the playoffs,
with 15 of the 16 lowest having been eliminated.
Yet Kaori is here. Why? Mikoto has the second highest KDA in the group stage, 11.38.
and this is because Kaori is using his hero to position himself between Mikoro and the enemies,
effectively giving this guy good games, even when he's losing. He lost the game of Queen of Pain,
he was 14 and 3. He died 3 times in a losing game. His whole team had more than 6th.
So basically Kaori is enabling Mikoro, he's actively doing and looking every game to enable
this guy as much as he can. And Mikoro is doing a great job at taking the space,
bringing the aggressiveness and just playing out the map pretty much like carrying alongside
Eiffel in the entire game. I just want to say that I think it's really nice of Aurora to not
have kicked Kaori after his three heroes got nerfed and now they're playing with this handicap of
playing horrible heroes. He is averaging one kill per game and ate this. He is still every game
Warlock Phoenix hero. He still got the heroes they're just worse. You know I'm memeing
obviously they're making it work and that's the thing like you give a
specialty player their specialty heroes no matter how the meta is they're gonna
make it work especially if it's just a support and you're first picking it so
already the game's not gonna be so great for them if you're like
hypothetically first picking a hero you have all of these picks to at least
soft counter it yeah I mean it all makes sense it shows the strength of
his fundamentals right because you know when you're in one of those patches
where all your heroes get nerfed, and you're still winning games in one of the most winningest
teams right now. You know? That's what he's doing so well, so.
Yeah. Or as usual, as most teams that play as
heroic do, they ban out the Hostcar in first place.
Yeah. I gotta give credit to Ilong, man. He must have done something in pubs to these
guys. This guy's Hostcar is being respected every single time he plays here. It's crazy
to me that you have a first thing you're basically afraid of a house car in first phase every time
you're playing yeah when we basically haven't seen it from her yes it's banned all the time yeah
so that's why i'm assuming i forgot he did this it's been a while
kj is looking into my soul right now i know this is exactly what he's talking about he's
right he's got the mouth twitch he is locked in oh he locked back in yeah he's
keeping it up today yeah that's a that's a 95 percentile lock in right
there can we zoom in a little bit I know yeah like can you see how extreme can
we go well heroic with the rubik aura with the tiny and cagey with the
here do you read lips what they well he said I love you yeah I'm gonna say he's
I thought he said I love you to me personally he's a committee we got UK
today yes so the rubik obviously we saw King Juniors have an absolute monstrous
game on the Rubik to get them through into the playoffs. And speaking of monsters, we've
got the Rockman, we've got Tiny coming through, merged as a really solid carry dispatch, definitely
first pickable, first phase pickable. First phase pickable, if you somehow managed to
get the ban out on the lifestealer, I think this is Tiny's biggest problem. Currently
the carry matchups, this is the worst somebody can do to Tiny.
I'm sure that Aurora, like, a heroic anticipated the potential Tiny because Rubik is super good against Tiny.
It's stealing avalanches, like, devastating, right? You get to say a wee increase in cooldown reduction,
everything on one of the best stuns in the game and the cast range is insane, right? Like, Tiny has
really small cast range is kind of what balances the ability. Rubik obviously has essentially
infinite cast range. He's a better Tiny. He's a better version of Tiny. So I guess
Aurora just says well, that's just not what tiny is played around like he's about being this like silver edge harpoon insta burst you down carry
It's it's good any you know we can take the rubik out in the fights because it's a carry tiny
For us, but
Monkey King available. How how does that play in this matchup? We have I believe monkey enjoys playing his tiny
We're actually high base armor. He can stand his ground with the ultimate and the jingle stacks. I
I
Wouldn't mind seeing it. I think monkey should it's definitely like top priority on a lot of things right now
Yeah, just if if life still gets banned. Yeah, which unless it digs bad. Yeah, it's it's too good
It's it's almost a no-brainer. I feel like playing tiny into life. So you're always gonna feel bad
Yeah, no matter what items you buy you always gonna be
Unfavorable
Taking their time with the pigs
Just looking at the other heroes that like match up well, they're banning out the pango
and the puck, they're kind of focusing a little bit here, Mikoto.
Mikoto obviously still has a lot of spirits to play with.
Beast after Still in the Pool, Tyrone plays it as well.
You know who matches up very well against Tiny that Whisper does play that's Necrophos.
I know people are not a huge fan of it in the off lane, otherwise we would probably see like triple S or DM
picking it up. Okay now it's you can't do it. That's kind of cool, right? Yeah, yeah. I think this is kind of cool though.
It's like in the off chance that it did happen, you simply cannot against a Shadow Demon through BKB.
You are purging the Ghost Shroud. It's one of the roughest matchups in the game for Necro.
It's not the roughest matchup great job on the coach for or he did this job. Yeah, he came prepared
He knows they play necro. He knows tiny. Yeah, there's a problem with the necro
Yeah, they just pick shadow demon. So now with like lucky can necro with tiny with with lifestealer necro out like the
Other one that I could see if you do want to answer tiny for heroic is undying like whisper has played it in this tournament
Granted, I think they had alchemist. They did like alch on alch on dying giving the undying agonim scepter
But I just, you know, Tiny has looked unstoppable other than in the games where teams have actually given it the respect that I think it deserves encountering it with the life stealer, for example.
And the Viper.
The Tai Lung Special.
Tai Lung Special.
Yeah.
Indeed.
Something I don't like seeing this team play.
They haven't had that much success with it.
Yeah, it's true.
I mean, we saw them, I don't know which game it was,
it might have been the liquids, where they had the Viper
and it just never seemed to be able to get into fight.
They, they natures profited the Viper.
Yeah, that was it, yeah.
And I mean, obviously it's team liquid.
Yeah, and I, I love, I love the idea of like,
you just up the tempo against this hero.
He is not good at like making counter rotations
and natures profits like the number one hero
to up the tempo for mid.
Mikoto doesn't really play it.
At least he hasn't in a very long time.
Well, I did mention Aurora's mid player Mikoto, he likes to play the spirits, so Viper does
go very well into those match-ups.
Yeah, I really don't want to see Talun playing Viper, I don't, I want to see this guy play
flashy heroes.
He's a young guy, up and coming, far playing.
I agree with you.
I don't give him Viper.
I 100% agree.
It's too much.
Yes, he's going to win his lane, but come on brother, like you can do better than
us.
give us some voice queen of pain something or all the beasts mm-hmm classic obviously good
good spell for rubik distilled in the form of raw as well so since he doesn't have the passive
rubicking easily if you let now I think it was like very simple click raw click passive this
possible yeah this is a hero that should hypothetically do pretty well against a
viper mid right you just shove the lane out with like bores and an axis and better than
the spirits right it can even be quite good against the vipers because the
boards and level 3 they start like hurting hurting a lot and they slow too
much for the vipers to deal with so I do like this as a mid-pick it's like
potentially it could be a man still sticking with like this kind of more
standard mids now just not going the spirit direction where you're gonna get
like dumpstered I agree I think that's why the heroic early picked
vipers because they realized against Makoto's hero pool like his prospect
It's literally good against all the spirits. That's what Viper has been picked against for as long as I've played Dota
You do shut down Mikoro only, but not necessarily in-game. On the other hand you do shut down Tyloon the entire game.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
And she's good at the Viper as well.
They have Last Pick on Aurora, so they're keeping the Beast as open.
We will see KJ on the Zeus most likely.
He's been playing that. It's been so good.
good he explained a little bit of his theory crafting behind it saying that you
know it's nice you can play greedy and instead of building support items you
just essentially build the core items because you've got so much gold. The
thing I'm worried about on Heroic right now is they don't have a lot of lockdown.
You have this Viper that's gonna go probably two or three and then you
have Zeus and Rubik both don't have any package lockdown. I guess Rubik does have
as fun but it's very short duration. Now you've got big giant pits of malice. They did fix it with
the Underlord but it's not as ton per se. No, no. It's good in the early game, it gets a bit harder
once enemies get PKBs to lock them down. So right now, everybody don't really have a way of
initiating, they don't really have a way of locking down targets either, but they do have
strong lanes. Or are going to keep it open so they have freedom to do whatever they want
on this one.
Yeah, and giving WS last pick, I feel like this is one of the off-laners that, okay,
they banned the timber.
Yeah, even respecting what is considered the most awful hero in the world.
Because we are the me-po panel now, I was going to ask, because obviously, humor's
in the game.
Is it a me-po game?
You mean like Tiny Mid, Beef Off?
Yeah.
Oh, sorry, for the other side.
Oh, well, I'll let we answer.
It's not really me.
Not really. The lane is looking rough. On carry you can almost always get away with the lane,
but I think if you're left 1v1 usually, you want to have the edge, and I think if it's a beast master,
you do not have the edge. So that's already like, for me, a big reason why not to pick this.
Maybe they blunder and they pick it if the Queen of Pain ban comes out, because I totally
agree with what you're saying. Of course, I have to use a meepo goat. If you tell me it's
It's a good Mepo game. I trust it. I trust it. I trust the history
But they could still make the mistake right the plenty of teams have done that before we've questioned like oh
They picked Medusa without banning anti-mage surely anti-mage comes out and then it does and they go we forgot yeah
It does it does happen
Okay. Well, that's cool. They're they're really
Yeah, I mean enigma we saw like five picks in this tournament or something like that. It was not
I think my players themselves actually, yeah, that's why they're probably scared of it
The thing is when you play a hero like especially a specialist hero
You tend to be more scared of it even though the enemies generally don't play that hero
So you start thinking about it in the bands and the pigs what do we do?
They do if they pick this and they come out with the band
WS is
one of the scariest
Off-laner last pickers in Dota. I would say like some off-laners you can just put them on
Whatever hero last pick first pick they're gonna do the same thing, but WS
I feel like if this guy has a free game like do not forget he was
Rank one on the leaderboard of when he like came into competitive Dota like the other is
So they assumed yeah worth respecting I guess like if you know just to have a more normal game or I have such a normal draft
I feel like if they think if they can just play like standard Dota, they're gonna win the game.
I do understand why the Nipo came out, it's because of the Enigma ban.
It looks like they won at the Nipo.
Enigma is very good against Nipo.
Weaver, solid, solid K.
I feel like this is the hidden hero of the patch,
and probably one of the best carries right now.
From what I've played in pubs, this hero has shined.
He has basically 10% free damages by sending us to a hero.
And we haven't seen that many teams play this hero right now, but the games they played, they had like 90%, I think it's like 4-1, 5-1, they've had a lot of success.
I think I remember seeing Aurora, Centaur, the weaver before, or maybe it was another team, but you know, any hero that wants to just like, slowly poke you down in lane obviously is not so good against Centaur.
Just thinking for WS, like what is a, what is the last pick hero they can get, you know?
He could still be a beast, although we would be against the beast.
Yeah, they went for the centaur.
It's hard to put the beast thing as the Viper.
Yeah, they definitely needed like...
Well, they didn't need it, but it's good to have a little bit more disable.
SD plus centaur combo too is like such an easy setup.
Even on that hero like Weaver, that's, you know, pretty hard to catch.
SD in prison and the centaur stomp, that's guaranteed.
Centaur also very good this game.
Like, lots to run away from.
Shit against underlord like right you it's hard to run away from the pits especially annoying for it's a bit annoying
But that's kind of all they have though, but that's it. Yeah, it's an aerobic lift. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like it a lot and
with centaur players, I feel like there's the
master tier and higher centaurs where they somehow hit top net worth and
Maintain it and they look really really good on the hero and it can actually like carry the game collapse is one of them
WS is one of them and then there's the centaur players that just do their thing based on they essentially become a support to me
WS is one of the like higher tier centaur players that if you give it to him last pick he will actually
Run away with the game. It's I'm looking at heroic. They have pretty good lanes
I'm not sure exactly how the weaver versus centaur is gonna go
I assume both are gonna farm kind of hard to stop each other from farming
On the other hand other lanes look are looking pretty good for heroic
Yeah, so I kind of favorite them going out of the lanes. I feel like what or has the better mid to the game draft
Exception tiny tiny is gonna suffer against the weaver in this game
We were generally just becomes a beast when she when he gets like this will there's a sharp as like a bkb
Mm-hmm, and it's hard for tiny to kill the bugs
So they have the better matchup on the carry on here right in late game
I just
Love this because we have the classic like Aurora has completely standard vanilla normal Dota and then heroic
It's like who's going where?
King jungle support Zeus Viper tie-long mid like last pick weaver good carry not super
Unstandard but with her oak like they're playing their own style. I have to mention. I'm so disappointed. They give Viper again
I can't get this out of my head. I this guy can do better
I know he wants to play it sometimes. He obviously plays it a lot, but it is so much against me that I got tired of it
I think I even altered it at some point
But yeah, let's see how it goes. I mean, no, we've got a little bit of time to talk about it
I mean KJ said in the interview we're never forcing him onto the heroes
Like he always agrees when we pick stuff even when he's picking things
We don't think he should be picking but he's a young guy that just came into the scene like
Doesn't necessarily know what's best for him
I agree with that. That's why you have people like Poppy and KJ, captaining teams, they will tell you what's good because they know and have a better experience.
Well, we might get some insight into this now. We've got slacks on the sidelines.
Absolutely, my friends. I am here with the biggest brain in the building. Mr. Caps, Caps, great to see you again.
I've got to ask you about this draft. We have three of your players who have not yet played their heroes at this tournament.
tournament. Yes, very risky in my opinion but I'm not a coach. Why this game? Why now?
I mean it's pretty straightforward. It was like a battle of who has balls to pick the tiny first
and they had the balls to pick it first and then we have to counter the tiny right? I think we
pick the most usual counters that people are using this tournament. I think Zeus is a good
one that we've been using it's pretty cool we want to games with it and as long
as like thailand hasn't a kid has played Viper this game this tournament so it's
just Yuma with the weaver and Whisper with the underdog right? Do you typically win
battle the balls? It depends on the patch I think it's 50-50 for us I
would like to say that we do but yeah it depends. You're lucky you can still
do a 50-50 you know sometimes you lose one of them balls to issues. Let's talk
a little bit about this draft a little more. I did want to ask about this
Tylong thing. You might have saw Wee-Haw's reaction when Tylong is put on a hero
like Viper, traditionally a dumb-o hero but he's very very good at it. Does he
like to play kind of standardy good heroes or does he want to be on
something flashy and you're the guy that says no young man no no no fun.
He really likes Viper. You believe it or not, he fucking loves this hero, he's most of the
times that he's playing Viper, he's the one that asks for it. Honestly this tournament the only
game that I didn't pick a hero that he didn't ask for it was I think against Parry when we pick a
Puck Blind on 13. All other games he basically wanted to play the hero that we gave him.
Okay well it has some good father figure right there. Let some of the children get what they
want deny the others do what's best. Let's get into this exciting game. Thank you so much,
Caps. It's always a pleasure and we'll get straight into the action with our casters,
Suns fan and Cinder wind. Wow, very positive throw. Thank you so much, KJ. In the top lane,
it's going to get first blood, so good timing on the throw. Learned a little bit too much
about slacks as balls, I think, but we'll just move on. We didn't learn enough. I
feel like there's more to that story. We're going to ask in the green room and then we'll
update you guys in game 2 so stay tuned. Until then we can talk about this game where Aurora
will face off against Heroic and yeah I mean I think that is kind of the story. We've seen
it time and time again with Ty Long playing these flashy heroes which he is not this time
around. Hope Stomp does hit Yuma. Staying alive though is WS now taking the punishment.
In fact Yuma gets the kill on Mira. WS falls after and now Heroic in a very good position
this top lane? I think there's some X factor to these King Jungle Zeus lanes and the games we've
seen so far in this tournament, which is the familiarity factor. I think the way Aurora just
played that situation, they were not at all expecting this output to come out from the Zeus.
He did a ton of damage there, 1,300 damage. That was a laning stage fight the Zeus did,
with just arc lightning and attacks. That's what happens when you stack heroes into him.
They're just gonna, you know, keep taking the arc lightnings, both of them, as he spams them out.
Didn't do their homework, mm-hmm.
I mean, they shouldn't be surprised it's picked, but I think that instance of the fight, I understand what they were trying to do in the Weaver,
and I actually think WS timed it perfectly. What you want to do is, you want a disruption into stomp,
but you don't want to stomp instantly when he comes out of disruption.
You want to wait until he uses Shukuchi so that you use the stun duration to block movement duration, basically.
So W has played it perfectly and they still both died, which in essence means it was a bad idea.
They shouldn't even have tried is what the conclusion has to be there.
So that's very good news for Heroic in their top lane.
In the mid lane, Tylong is playing against Beastmaster.
I 1,000% agree with the panel, by the way.
I don't like seeing him on this hero, and I understand that he wants to play it himself.
The coach says he loves it.
I think there is a time and a place for stuff like this where players who...
How to say let's say it's his let's say it's his best hero
Okay, let's entertain that idea that he's the best viper and he's the best viper in the world if that doesn't work with how the team's
Structure is functional in the games like their archetype of lineups
Who's taking charge when how you build the rest of the drafts?
Then I just don't think you should pick the hero well
Let's go with this argument that he is the best okay viper in the world
Right, this isn't exactly a hero that just takes over games anyway. No, I agree
I feel like a lot of times it's kind of an anti-carrier, an anti-pick for a specific hero that gets broken or whatever the case may be, or just dominating the mid lane.
Beastmaster's gonna be fine. Like, yeah, he might get bullied a bit, but he'll survive and he'll get his form.
He's drawing the lane on Beast.
Our good old, surely this hero beats Beastmaster, Kanundrum is in play again, and no.
Apparently Beastmaster can also draw with Viper.
So, I don't know, Makoto has been a phenomenal player for quite a while, and I think he's even grown more in the last six months.
He seems super stable to me, really knows limitations. He's getting some health now, so this is not really a fair fight with Enchantress in the mix.
And now, also, Shattered Evil.
Oh boy, TP's are coming, it's going to be too late. Tylong drops as Mira claims his second kill of the game.
the game. They can very easily leave Tiny alone against Underlord because it's
Underlord and therefore... Yeah let's talk about it because I feel like this hero
either... he doesn't really pop off. What's the right wording for this? He's either
very valuable for his team or just completely a non-factor and there's not
much in between. In this game do you like the matchups? It is triple melee.
Yeah, Firestorm is very good this game.
And I assume you want to buy Auras this time around?
Yeah, I would think so.
And also Atrophy Aura is obviously incredible against Tiny,
because he has so much base damage that you're blocking out.
Mera will punish here.
It's a clear counter pick to Tiny.
Caps also said it in the interview.
We were playing a game of chicken with who was going to pick Tiny first.
They did. We picked the counters.
I mean, I understand this is not a matter of,
I don't think Heroics Heroes make sense.
I think they do make sense. I think every pick has a clear purpose, but as I said before, I just don't
I don't vibe with Tylong on Viper. That's just my opinion. That's the same with Bristle.
Like I think this archetype hero, not for him as a player, but necessarily only, but also for Heroic as a team
I think they're best when the mid player is aggressive and active.
And we'll see if they can cover their bases with this. What I do love is that they're sticking to their Zeus.
They have total faith in this. They're the only team playing it. They haven't lost yet.
So, obviously, King Jungles is going to feel very good about that.
And that's an instance where it's not just their winning by half an stance. It's only been two games.
So he's looked really good in both games.
Yeah, it's a super high impact.
It's kind of like an ace, first damage, WS dead, Centaur not tanky enough here.
A lot of rotations from the supports early on from Heroic hasn't really helped in mid lane all too much,
but that top lane seems to be on lockdown at the moment.
I would say in a potentially a little bit of a similar fashion to the previous game we
just watched, this is a game where Heroic's lanes can go very well and they can build an
advantage and then the question is how do you convert?
Because you don't have, the panel talked to us, you don't have any catch, underlord
and rubik as you're locked on.
So Stampede is going to be amazing for disengaging, demonic cleanse eventually could
be a really good ability too, boots of bearing would be amazing if they get that
on edge.
So they have tools to just kind of play keep away and farming if they want to.
Yep, so you Viper Strike onto the Tiny, KJ with some blocks and that's going to be a nice
pick off for Heroic.
Good rotation.
Yeah, Knifeful not expecting that.
KJ was just kind of messing around with the Wisdom Shrine but wasn't actually going
to be going for it.
He did force out some TP's but punished a bit.
Yeah, pretty good.
I thought that top one was going a little bit better for Heroic but Center's actually
Farming quite well despite having a 2S already.
That's a little bit surprising.
Yeah, they have kill power, but they don't have like consistent...
They can't non-stop harass him. That's the weakness of Zeus.
You're burning your life for it.
Man, he is getting manhandled right now.
Every time he shows up to lane, there's several heroes.
Fiend's Gate, too late.
Yeah.
Isn't being a wasted ult here.
Oh, I say that, but they actually keep him at the same time.
Surprise factor, Makoto, taking a Stampede, but he will not get away.
That is to the Blood Grenade.
They showed up at the exact same, that was synchronized, very nice.
That's beautiful.
Miran now getting chased by Yuma, early rotation from him as well.
I think he's possibly fine here.
Really? You think he's possibly fine? That's really interesting.
That's right, he is fine.
Alright.
Missed the stop? Yeah, I was right that time.
Can't say possibly is you're wavering, but you're not really choosing.
I'll be more committed next time.
Thank you.
Be right or wrong?
That's right.
Brace it.
I'll be right.
We'll be the Agonist Scepter from Makoto eventually.
We haven't really got to cover this yet, but I think this is a traditional counter to Viper, actually the Enchantress. It's not inherently that obvious necessarily.
Viper struck. PPs are coming, but he's going to be long dead before they arrive.
Nice aggressive maneuvers once again from Heroic. Now what I was going to say about Ench versus Viper, it's an interesting matchup because I'd argue Ench is a really good counter early, and then later Viper strike obviously is a big problem for your untouchable.
untouchable this is big though but also you know Viper doesn't like being dove in
its tower which is what happened mid yeah but that's kind of the only
successful move Aurora have pulled in the game so far everything else has been
all heroic and they look to keep the chase on here can you see this okay
you cannot see the thread in fog otherwise you would have moved it
and that would be quite the feature that would be an insane buff for chasing
Yeah, got him though. How many of the stacks they steal? Was it just a hard camp?
The medium camp, they took some of that and that's it. Okay, so the ancients remain.
That's a lot of Shadadiemann's time effectively being mitigated here.
At Camp Bicodo, there's the Stampede, the counter to the Viper Strike.
But still, he's taking heavy damage. He wants to stick around a bit. It's the
Olocor taking the damage now. Nice Telekinesis as Kaori. Yeah, they do get the kill with
the axis it was a trap that's good bait actually there's very clear the fully
premeditated was like i'm gonna go here
they go on the instantly stampede
and then they do manage to
get a kill out of it so a nice
turn around play
now tyler
things pretty
he's got the serious damage he's he's zipping around totally fine
tough net worth in the game all three now
on the side of aurora
in spite of heroic making all these successful yeah kills they're not
Finding efficiency elsewhere. So Aurora just getting more economy out of the map
And you can see on the CS centaur sitting at 77 way ahead of the weavers 51
Beating him up by 30 at 10 minutes. Yeah, oh he's taking a beating here telekinesis back into Yuma
So the usual cinder and curse three deaths now to the centaur
He's still top my work. Yeah, zero and three in your top net worth. That's kind of absurd. Isn't it?
Yeah, that's that's creeps for you does have helmet the Dom and he's gonna be going for pipe
Yeah, makes sense. Which is very good this game
It's like four out of the five is all magic the best item he can buy
I wonder if he's also going to get I mean, what's he gonna get after I?
Don't think the axe is necessarily that good, but it's also not that considering heroic don't have immediate burst
So I think you can very reliably save people that get gone on if you get eggs
It is pretty you could drive around. Yeah, it is but I still think it could be fine. You can drive around the tiny
In teamfights can be interesting to rise that you're actually
I don't think it's that good this game
It's just it's specifically like we how was talking about the weaver matching for tiny is really annoying
So giving him some additional I'm not I'm not sure if it's if it's the right purchase
I just I don't think it's out of the question what I think would be probably a weak ish purchase would be the crimson
I don't really think there's any place for that here. So then what else would you buy dagger and then?
Shiva heart what what's good here, right? Yeah, both of those great
Shiva is not nearly as good on centaurs it used to be
It doesn't amplify your spells anymore bloodstone. Oh
All right, it's kind of
I'm trying to imagine I've run into this issue on this patches wall and sent our where you
Sheevas was like a go-to. Yeah, never felt bad, but now not so much. I mean the hoof slump is huge, but that's
not really
that useful and
The armor is really just against the I mean you do need armor
For me, this is I know that you're saying it's a bad item
I think Lotus is fine honestly
Yeah, Lotus is always good, especially against the Honor Lord, but Blademail must be completely dead,
because this feels like a solid Blademail game, if it's...
Yeah, it's just not that. At least it's not trending. That doesn't mean it can't work,
but nobody seems to really be buying it, so it's probably not on his radar in addition to...
Dota is funny like that, where sometimes you don't even necessarily need to change an item,
you just need Topsin to play it on stream, and then suddenly people just buy it, you know?
That's right!
It's actually the amount of copying that goes on in the pro scene,
where people just see something working
and then they're like, hey, that's a cool idea.
I'm gonna try that.
And then if you win with it yourself,
you're like, oh, it was a good idea.
And if you lose, like, meh, whatever, like it can...
If that were true, everyone would be buying eBlades.
I mean, the sample size though,
sometimes it's just ridiculously small.
Like people can make up their minds
based on very few games.
And it's kind of funny to see how influential
individual games sometimes are for...
I think that's hard for the course
when a game is this deep, right?
With so much depth, like no one's actually gonna,
even when the patches quote unquote figured out
not really
for being honest
i mean that's very true you're gonna try to try to set that basically
you're trying to break things down into simpler parts because you can't fathom the
entire game
like dot it is
dot it can't be solved
it's it's way too
there's way too many facets to it
not anymore
all of the u.s.
very sad
wanted to kill his family but can't even do that. It was a centaur, right?
Yes it was.
Okay, good.
Would have been awkward otherwise.
Well, could have been a bastard.
Raised by wolves maybe.
As heroic grouping up to take this tier one mid,
Whisper has the early ATO's. So we've seen the ATO's into aggs a decent amount of time.
So that, to me,
See what else? Yeah, he is going axe next. So not going for auras this time around
We've seen that work. We've seen it not work. I don't know it
What would you do this game? Is this the correct choice? I mean, I think again
I'm gonna bring it up triple melee into underlord hit an Alice with a toast that does sound really good on paper to me
It's also just a limitation of the line. They don't have catch as we talked about so I think you just I
Think it's good given the constraints of their lineups by a to some underlord
But if you had a lot of cash, I don't think you should have bought it
I think then I would have rather seen a pipe. Can you have too much cash?
No, but you can definitely have too little
So
Fair enough. I mean, it's
It's fine. I but again, I genuinely don't think it's also knowing whisper
Like you think about how this guy likes to build and play
I don't think of him as like the stereotypical Ato's underlord. He's doing it out of necessity here
But I like it. I like it given the constraints of their lineup, but here's the once again
the issue. Yeah, the early lane stage went quite well. You found a lot of kills anyway,
but you're not really getting ahead. Are you winning the scaling? By just buying Atoast,
this is a fighting item, okay? So if you're buying this item, you want to fight. If you're
then not looking for plays, it's dead gold.
Well, I think Underlord, no matter what he buys, it's the same purpose.
I suppose.
But you're gonna want to fight as well, right? That's fair
Which I would argue pipe is actually really good this game too is whispers gonna run into a bunch of them gets roared
And the impetus just shredding him right too much damage. I fall doing that as well stampede JK lull
I'm just gonna run away
Yeah, this is gonna be a problem
for heroic and
Here's the really big issue a lot of the time with lineups that don't have stuns the way you solve that problem late game
is you buy hex. It doesn't work against centaur. It's like the one stun or one
enemy hero that you really don't want that problem against, which is part of
why I think this last pick centaur is just brilliant here. The lane matchmen to
weaver is good and stampede is just going to remain the best ability of
this game. I just I don't see it. But you can steal it. That's true.
It's actually not that hard to see. And you can chase them. If you can steal
stampede you can equalize it. But the problem is weaver as a carry
doesn't buy a Bissell. That's the stun that you buy against Empied. It's one that keeps
them in place, but you don't have a hero that can buy it. Wyvern. Viper can't buy a Bissell.
Man, they could really use a Wyvern this game. Actually, yeah. Weaver can't really buy it.
I don't know. For me, this is a little bit of a checkmate, and it's part of... We were
talking about... Checkmate! Okay. Okay. Let's not... Checkmate, you say. Is Whisper
going to be joined by everybody, it seems, to kill off a Bambi? Maybe the checkmate
I'm with you, maybe it's a bit too of a...
You've been agreeing with me, even when it makes you look like a moron consistently this term.
I really appreciate that, Makoto, raising up his arms.
It's all reflection, you could learn from that.
No, I can't, I'm American.
Makoto now on the run, we'll get away.
So, let's not call it a checkmate, what's the mild version?
It's a check.
It's a bit of a check here.
Yeah, that rolls right off the line.
It's not a catch-22, I can't use that for this.
Yeah, I want to say they're a brave new world. Just go with that one. They're in a bit of a brave new world here
Yeah, you got everybody understands. Yeah, sure
So I am I'm trying to put myself in the position of either team in this spot
And I'm just thinking what would you'd want to do as heroic that isn't just brute-forcing into fights of towers
I wonder if they feel like they can be confident in the long game because of the weaver matchup
into Tiny? I don't think this is a that good Viper game. That's my problem. Like, even if
Tylong gets very farmed, he's playing against Demonic Perch. Shadowdim is going to get
break eventually, which would be a huge problem. Enchantress, that matchup swings. It's very
good for Entry early when she can dive you in towers. Then it's bad for a bit against
Untouchable if you're the target. But if you get to, let's say you get Pyke on Entry,
you can actually kill Viper as a support. Yeah, so that's just... The more you talk about,
The more it does sound like a checkmate especially when you have a tiny that literally is a rook that can go diagonal
That's crazy. Yeah, it's kind of like a queen, you know. Yeah, it is a queen
Yeah, and the king all in one. Wow, he's the carry
The pit of malice into a lot of damage from mr. KJ Mira will die
This is the kind of place that can make so under lord connecting and then you chain with pit into ATOS into pit
Well, that's gonna work
KG does not want to deny himself to Roche, wants to continue here as Kaori getting chased by Yuma, biting their time,
fight for strike right on him, and the fact that he gets broken, untouchable, useless there.
Yep.
And that's another death so charged for Yuma.
It's gonna be going for the dragon lance, and they're actually pinging out Roche. I like this.
Yeah, this is good. This is the kind of stuff they need to do. Once again, I'm thinking about Heroic's lineup.
what you're doing is you're forcing things to happen. If you don't do anything, Aurora aren't necessarily going to bring fights to you.
So you have to take the initiative, you find a kill, and you force an objective. Now you need to execute on this.
No, but Centaur jumps right in. They're gonna get the Aurora onto Ty Long.
He's in a lot of trouble. He gets telekinesis, gets killed off.
And this is a complete disaster for Heroic now. They couldn't get Roshan in time.
And it's gonna cost them dearly even Makoto staying alive. Thanks to the pipe three dead for heroic Yuma has to scurry away
Now the Roche will go to Aurora
Well, we'll go to the other side of the other side and then go to Aurora. Yeah checkmate
Yeah
once again
For heroic it makes sense. I
It totally makes sense what they're doing and I think they have the right motivation for doing it. It's just very hard
So you need to have pristine positioning there, you need to have really good formation.
And probably on top of that, maybe hope a little bit that the initiation of the roar isn't clean.
You have no solution to your Viper getting roared. It's just gonna die.
You have no save. I mean, he bought the Shard on Rubik for the Tolkienesis, but they just ran him down anyway.
You just, sure, you toss him away, you just stampede, right, and just run into him.
He wasn't even demonic perched on the Viper, they never used the ability, they didn't even need it.
Tiny is only going to get worse from here. He's about to get these Shadowblade and then suddenly
Going to pack way more of a punch and of course eventually he's going to break Viper too. So
Tough times ahead, Tylung is going for Ags or excuse me
Shiva's to try to mitigate that issue. He already has the Ags. He wants armor and the upgraded corrosive skin, but
Once again the breaks will be an issue. I think he asked about BKB this time
I was going to say it feels really bad against roar feels bad demonic purge still I mean he's not does it have eggs yet I guess
But like you're trying to think of you know the classic viper build with this nose dive is to go bloodstone, right?
I just I don't know if he survives
You can even you can get your nose dive off and pop your bloodstone you get roared purged and just
blown up by tiny
To me, at this point in this game state, if the gold is even, I've considered a radiant favorite game, so to me, they're very, very far ahead with 8K.
A massive lead, and Heroic have to dig deep to find some solutions. Maybe the Underlord Axe could be of big help.
Wow, they actually kind of hip-stomp onto the Weaver.
I'm not sure if it does, even on purpose,
but you was gonna be able to get the time-lapse off
and stay safe as a result.
The Olicor not gonna be alive much longer.
It goes down to the right clicks as WS will live
through the Weaver.
And again, Ty Long left alone and dead.
KJ, one more impetus for the road.
Double kill for Kaori as the dragon lands
and he's packing a bit of a punch.
Yeah, that wasn't even a clean initiation.
You went on the weaver, you got time-lapse off,
and, fortunately, the disruption save
is gonna be able to solve that situation.
And of course, if nothing else,
you baited her or again to a fight
that just wasn't good for them,
and Viper becomes the centerpiece of the fight.
Unfortunately, even with no dive,
you're just not tank enough.
And by extension, when Viper is in this position,
I just think it's a really bad hero.
I think Viper has always been delicate
in the sense that it feels like he's been in this position a lot yeah it's like
either Viper has more or less two modes you're either snowballing your lane and
really really strong and like this unkillable monster in the mid game or
you're just a pinata and the way I look at it when you pick it it's to break
someone that can like a bristleback that you just end their game by being
having this break available all time or it's because you're gonna win your
lane so hard that they can't do anything. When both of those are not true, it never goes well, it feels like.
Yeah. I think the Centaur pick really messed his game up, to be honest.
Tylong could have probably found a lot more impact with the conditions that he did have, if Stampede wasn't in the game.
So it's also easy to look bad in one of the best counter matchups to your hero in general.
No, that's drafting for you. That's why I personally don't think Viper's a second pick ever right now, to be honest.
For the Aurora, that's a little bit crazy.
Yeah, I don't think they have the damage here.
Whisper, the roots will continue. Shadow Demon from afar, not enough.
Okay, if you wanted to really YOLO here, you could actually blink across and try to kill him in the base.
Small misstep for Aurora, otherwise it'd be a pretty damn good game.
not killing him there isn't all that bad. You take over that area if the map you force
him out. Let's see if they can find an opening here onto... They're kind of running around
in duos and trios but can't quite find the initiation now. They're going to see the tiny
nice silkenesis. Tylong?
Yeah, that's a higher value target here. Tylong, going to take some impetus damage
and not fucking 20 for it though.
That's the support 5.
He's not far away from Hurricane Pike either and that's when that hero really starts to
get disgusting.
I mean realistically speaking you could demonic purge the Viper and then pike it with an Ench
can solo you.
That's pretty bad news that your mid hero getting killed by two supports 100-0.
So another good reason to buy BKB I suppose.
Now here's a timing finally for Heroic.
Axe under Lord Axe Zeus.
This helps.
two additional global abilities, some more lockdown, or routes at least.
This has to pay off.
Like, if you don't make successful moves in the next five minutes,
then these items, I'm not gonna say they work for naught,
but this is when they're the best.
So, look to utilize this timing before the BKBs start coming out on the radiant.
We're actually close to one on Centaur.
Obviously Beastmaster has had his for a while.
Wonder if Tiny's gonna buy one eventually.
Yeah, nightfall looking pretty mantis style echo saber and the silver edge and not far
away from finishing the full harpoon gives him like this is the hero that has benefited
the most from harpoon changes just to be able to reposition as a okay rubik was there
classic Avatar's instagib. Tier 2 Tower will be Aurora's and it's still a couple
minutes away from knowing when Roche will spawn so they can kind of just
play this slow. It is a very big tiny I think you know for all intents and
purposes I think this has been a good game from Yuma on the weaver as well.
Kerry on the other side of the coin here is 4-0 and 3 he's buying the
right items he's doing the right things. We was pointing out that this
is a good carry to carry matchup against Tiny but I think it can be a
little bit double edged when if Tiny's ahead he's one of the carries that can
burst you so fast that you don't get to use time-lapse so it's not it's not
fully one-sided unlike certain other carry matchups but a BKB on Centaur by the
way yeah he has it now very nice I like now that you have BKB I think eggs
gets better eggs gets way better we were considering lotus yeah I think
That could have been fine.
How come we never see a heart on this hero?
You do.
Very rare.
It's like a luxury.
Even with the machinist blood being added to it.
Yeah.
It just feels right to have a big fat, juicy heart on Centaur.
You know?
Sad.
I think the thing that can be a little bit tricky with that, oh hang on, tie long.
Oh, they didn't see him.
Oh, that was so close.
Too good.
Wow.
That was, I think they were 100 or 200 night vision away from killing him on the spot there.
Didn't get it.
They will have to accept.
Not finding a little snack in the night. They didn't get Ward out though.
So maybe they'll find him there again later.
And now actually he is walking right under Ward.
They have eyes on the prize.
Are they gonna go for him? No.
They're making the move bottom instead.
Whisker?
Gonna get...
Permistar.
He gets two mana, all those in amp damage room.
Okay, I was like, how the hell are they?
Is he dying so fast on the Lord?
But, well, this is what can happen on it.
Well, now they got the break from the Silver Edge.
The Nimbus comes out,
but Tylong's gonna take a ton of damage from this impetus.
Gary can't quite finish the job, though.
As they do find some trouble with the Tiny,
his Nightfall getting out very quickly there.
Harpoon helping out quite a bit.
And Yuma, the Underlord's already dead,
and Yuma is going ham onto Nightfall,
but can he finish the job?
Absolutely not.
No time lapse.
So three deaths for the heroic Yuma is spotted.
Stop off the mark, but nightfall connects gets the avalanche and that should be enough
Hey, Tylong survived once that's good
Everybody else wasn't so lucky
But yeah, just a nice sequence there again from Aurora after killing under Lord this team fight gets really easy
There's no mitigation for the tiny because on the Lord's all rising there
And yeah, in this unfortunate development, I feel like this Atos and Underlord has done
more or less nothing, so perhaps it could have been better for him to have an aura.
At the same time though, what you have found, the type of fights you want, it feels like
everything in this game is on Aurora's terms.
Every fight that's chosen is the one they pick, so we're basically playing on their
timings.
underlord aggs and zoos aggs simultaneously and you didn't get to make a move so yeah it's rough
I for a 16 to 13 game a 15k lead is quite telling at 29 minutes it's just Aurora's game is so much
easier to play and the map is shrinking by the minute roshan 140 yep turned into a very casual
game all of a sudden for Aurora, and it started off at a feverish pace. Heroic was all over
the place, but you kind of mentioned it. Despite having the kill lead, even early on they were
still kind of breaking even on the farm. So once they stopped getting those kills, that's when
Aurora really started to take off. They're not going to see a blink dagger from Mira.
So not opting, I mean, they don't need the ag, I mean not that kill bite, I think. I mean if
the game even last that long. That would probably be as much as I know. I think the daggers better
anyway. I think this is good. If you want to have a reliable reach for the save, of course,
Thunder God's Wrath is a little bit of an x-factor in this. It can be hard to blink save if the
enemy team initiates, but in every other situation this will be very handy to have.
Yeah, okay, it's go time for Heroic. I think they have this sense of urgency that we'd
better get something done here. They're not going to wait for Weaver to get Daedalus.
They'll deal with it with a crystal is
And try to see if they can find an angle now Aurora seemed to have the same idea
Well, they clash up here. That's a really really good angle
Spotted okay, they're not gonna initiate. I'm gonna reposition
How long is daring them to initiate and they will they will oblige get the primal roar
There's a telekinesis say but the impotence is shredding him and he's just dead. They baited them kind of
They dared them to fight really. The buyback as you're coming out from Thailung as Yuma has to pop the time-lapse, so has that BKB active with Shikuchi away though. They're not doing any damage to Aurora.
Thailung back in the fight. He's gonna get post-stomp though.
Whispers there, tries to control. There is the impetus from afar, not quite enough to finish the job, and Makoto jumps in. He wants to do that, and they will get it thanks to Kaori's impetus.
So a dieback for the Viper, they dared them to fight and Aurora said okay, lol, they lose nobody.
Yeah, I don't know. I feel like I'm a broken record but the Viper just isn't Vipering.
No, he goes in front, he even gets saved by Rubik and he still can't fight.
He buys back. That was two Viper lives and one save.
And he still just barely did anything.
So this game is...
Did I kill him?
Or what?
Okay.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Okay, nobody said no.
So I'm going.
That's pretty funny, actually.
I like that
When the Viper's still dead here, Aegis is on the Beastmaster, so Nifol has been in trouble, gets rooted twice, he's dead
It's a pretty big kill. That's pretty nice. Finally something. Yeah, they need a lot more of that. Yeah
It's step one of
10 probably
Nifol can just chill for a bit now.
He has no other choice.
No, he could be screaming.
Oh, true.
A fair suggestion.
He could fall out of his chair.
What would Envy do?
Envy.
What would Envy do?
Envy would try to extend this to 60 plus minutes, and then it's a flip of the coin.
Actually, for him, it's a flip of the dice, if we're being real.
A little bit different.
And if the die ends on the edge, then he wins.
So it never happens, yeah.
That's right.
So I retired he realized the dice on edge strategy didn't quite work. We're never
gonna have anyone like him again are we? Really sad.
This tier one is still up are you kidding? Wow. Yep not anymore though. That is
Tower number three.
Yep.
Alright, well, they have a Daedalus for Yuma.
Definitely packing a bit of heat now.
Okay.
They have the Global Initiation on him,
Makoto gets off the roar and nightfalls away.
No way to cancel that.
Yeah, that's another problem with not having a stun
except Telekinesis.
You're also dealing with the nightfall against Nightfall
And his team, oh, here comes
Oh
Poor thing
Just fun. I thought it tie-long, but he's back to the fountain
Deep in thought on camera. Why did I pick Viper? I think he's still will I ever learn?
Will I ever still it's kind of interesting? I'm not
The team obviously thought Viper was fine. Yeah, so it's not like they're just
just bowling to the whim of this young man.
No, I mean, it's tongue in cheek, right?
I get it.
He loves the hero.
He thinks it's good.
They probably have good success with it in scrims, so of course they're going to believe
in it.
I personally just think it's too early to pick it.
I think if you want to give Ty Lung that archetype hero, it needs to be picked late,
and I would still rather not see it.
But if you have to, then at the very least, he's like a star player, right?
You've got to give this guy good conditions so he can win the game.
It's like how to say.
If you gave Prime some mail first pick in your draft, but the hero was heavily
counterable. Now EG back then did first pick him Storm, but that was because Storm was
fucking broken. Yeah, so he could play it into anything. But if he couldn't, they
probably wouldn't have picked it first, right? Balda never realized that Storm
changed after that, so he's still the first picking Storm for the next five years, but
it's all good. Alright, here comes Viper, and they run away. The biggest
counter to Viper is just turn tail and run. That's right. That's why he has
dive though so he can catch him. Unfortunately it's like 400 range now. It used to be like
double. Yeah it was quite strong and it was at its best. This hero has definitely suffered
quite a bit from the sequencing of nerfs, right? I guess they've been a lot of. Surprised Aurora
is not pushing the envelope, they still have ages for a little over a minute. But they're
not grouping up so maybe they want to go for a Tormy. Feels like a bit of a slow
play though. Yeah I mean maybe you would I don't know if you want to brute force this Aegis. I think
it's actually okay to just play map. If you know you're you know you're in control you can wait
for Heroic to move out. Maybe you find a free pick and you go from there. Makoto might become
that free pick. Well he has the Aegis so I think he kind of doesn't mind this.
us. Um, that is deep the case. Just chill. Keep on farming. You know you're out farming
them. You've got probably two thirds of the map under your control.
Do you think if there was a hero, this is going to be so random. I'm sorry.
Okay. Where their ultimate was passive.
Yeah.
And all it did was doubled rune effects for yourself.
Yeah.
Would that be good?
Yeah.
I think it's not consistent.
I think quadruple damage sounds pretty broken.
Well, it's not even double right now, so it'll be 3.6.
Yeah.
Essentially quadruple.
Okay.
I'm just a thought.
I think you pick that hero and you buy damage items, and then when you get a damage rune you one-shot people with every crit.
I mean, just get Tornaded by Invoker.
Sure. Just ward his jungle so he doesn't get farmed, you know.
That's right.
Good old like encounter number one in 2012.
I agree though. I prefer Tower hero.
Yeah. I mean, I would too because that suggestion was somehow even worse, which is honestly quite incredible.
You found the way. Interesting blank pick up here from Yuma by the way.
Not an item you see on Weaver all that often.
He's going for divine.
Yeah, you're it. You know where this game is at.
Tylong's not going to carry, so you've got to do it yourself.
No more Aegis, Knifals. Alright, let me just take that tower real quick.
There's wings, and now I think we just play him up again.
Oh, okay, maybe not.
K-Ori is so strong. He has Witchblade, Hurricane Pike.
He's going Muinchart next.
And why not? He's a core now.
Of course, some seriously incredible matchups for impetus, Viper and Underlord, neither hero
with BKB until now, Viper just got it.
Finally, Katoi Long, a little bit of help, but I mean there's additional problems with
mid Viper in this patch if you think about it.
I think old Sheevas was just better for you.
I don't think the AoE increase matches the Spellamp, or rather, yeah, of the previous
one.
The old build with Shiva into Bloodstone is therefore, it might be better when it's fully
completed but the lead up to it is worse.
And knowing how much Viper cares about tempo, that probably isn't overall nerf.
And I don't know if you could just buy Bloodstone before.
He had it queued up instead of BQB but he's like, I can't even play my hero against
the breaks.
So I have to get a BKB, now the cart, was that the full cart on the way?
A thousand to go.
Watch out for the Rubik's Steel now.
A thousand to go, oh yeah, that's very bugged.
You said somebody explained that to you, right?
Yeah, so I think it was PTP that tested it and he said it's inconsistent.
Oh, that's nice.
That's Dota.
Basically, the only core and...
Look at the size of those pits.
That is a lot as Tylon trying to dive in, pops the BKB, he wants to fight,
he is going to regret that decision, his knife almost two shots him,
we'll have to run away though, is WS on the run, Yuma can't quite kill him off.
Another pit, taking up the entire space here, K-Ori just stands in it with the impetus,
but there's the roar, onto the weaver with the avalanche to follow Yuma dead.
Does have buyback.
They better be careful. There's still a lot to work with here for Aurora.
Demonic Furg on a tie-long. He's just stuck there now. The BKB up by the Beastmaster is going to run away for now.
His tie-long just trickling down the hoof-stomp double-edge finishes him off.
This should open up. Well, it would open up Roche if he was up anytime soon. It's actually a very late spawn.
There's Whisper on the high ground. Not going to go out.
They're not going to get away, rather, as Nightfall blinks in.
And now the buildings will face some consequences here.
This is probably Megas, if you don't buy it back.
45 seconds with these heroes, Beastmaster Tiny.
It's pretty quick. There's even Siege creeps.
Um...
At bare minimum, two lanes.
Absolute bare minimum. They can even heal up with Entrush. That's very nice.
More staying power.
Oh, McCartout still has a roar up his sleeve onto the Rubik.
He's dead as well.
As Nightfall finds a little Zeus action next to the fountain, he gets instigated, the Olocor.
Oh, he tried. Well, he can't toss to nothing, unfortunately.
Yeah.
A good attempt.
Yeah, this looks like...
Megas, but they'll have one last chance before Megas if they buy Pegasus and Aurora know this so they're just gonna back off
Take the bot racks completed here with Ench
and well
The other court gets off the toss on a Kory, but that's not an easy target to kill the other court is
However, as nightfall just destroys his face as you not barely gets the time-lapse
Often time he will survive is now nightfall on the low ground harpoon again
Just being so so good on this hero. Yeah, it's crazy. That's heroic. I'm not gonna really find much
There's 90 seconds and no shadow demon. I still wants to fight apparently
Thinking better of him. He is
Completely six-slotted. So I know you love this new harpoon. Do you think it's too good? Come on?
Don't be that guy. I'm not talking about the don't be that guy
Why do you always need to be because of you neutrals are not interesting at all
That is not because they're not and it is you can play and you complain you complain if it was because of me
People's brains because of me. We would have had the better version which is they would have been removed three years ago
Okay, it's not because they were I came around to the neutrals. Okay, but you left them from the start. No, I didn't
That's untrue. What do you mean? I like the concept
I thought the implementation was it and then eventually they got there and then they listen to you getting
Complaining over and over and over the infect their brain with that disgusting fungus that is you know
They got there though. That was because they listened to me. Yeah, well, then they just shouldn't have listened down neutrals
They might as well be it's not my fault. It's not my fault
Okay, so back to harpoon
700 cast range
Is that maybe a bit too long?
It's fine. What if it's 500? It's fine. It's still good, right? It's fine. It's fine as it is. Yes
Understood. Just make stats worse. Yep. Okay
Fair enough
I think I really want to nerf it just increase the cooldown by 0.5 seconds. Yep, that's great
As usual the thing I liked about it is
And now I know this is gonna sound funny because he has a blink
But it gives you an option to not have to go blink on every single freaking hero
That doesn't have a mobility spell as a carry. I I'm gonna get very very very good
I think we're kind of on the same page with the no
We're not you're wrong the concept of being able to jump to trees like this with an item. I think it's fine
Yeah, you just always want to tweak the numbers, you know, just leave it alone. That's called balancing
Let it be as the great John Lennon once that was actually Paul McCartney. You got me there almost as up
Okay, is that enough damage? Yes
Yuma deleted
Yep
Now the roar onto the high ground with a bunch of X's errors errors errors because Ty Lung picked Viper
There's the cart to save the Beastmaster. Don't think he really needed it for being honest here. The buyback comes out
Wait let it be was it John Lennon or Paul McCartney actually I don't know who wrote that song
Wasn't it John Lennon? It might yeah, maybe it was John Lennon
I was I mean I wasn't confident in correcting you because it's your band, but you didn't know so
Well, I mean, yeah, I don't know who, I mean, what, what's the song, uh,
let it be?
No, not let it be.
Oh, okay.
I only know one of the songs that Paul McCartney wrote.
But here we go.
Welcome to the Black Parade.
Yep, that's the one.
Yeah.
I'd love to hear the Beatles do that.
Let's get some AI audio on that.
Oh, yeah, nothing like AI audio.
It's great.
One of the better additions to the world in the last 10 years.
AI was actually used to finish the last Beatles song.
So that one, I didn't mind as much.
Three minutes on the ages for Aurora to try to finish this game.
Oh! A fight!
Very good.
Who are you cheering for? Who's your money on?
Paul McCartney.
I am.
John Lennon was too weird for me. Sorry about that.
And when you're weird, you can't fight.
Okay.
I mean, the whole Yoko Ono thing is just, let's not get into that, but if you've seen that Chuck Berry clip, you know what I'm talking about.
Nifal takes a Viper Strike. Harput is 2-OP apparently. 700 range says Cinderan. It's too much to handle.
We can't have the item be good for more than a month. Let's get rid of it. Let's delete it.
36k lead here for Aurora. Yep. Keep it up. Nifal jumps in, toss back.
Ty Long is gonna get Rored. It is reflected.
He's dead. He doesn't have Vi back in Yacht.
Weaver is packing the punch now. Aegis down.
I did like your John Lennon impression by the way, it was very good that point.
Alright Paul, finds the support on the back line, Yuma.
They do have to actually clear him a bit now.
As the buyback comes out again from Tylong, it feels like the third time this game, the Dark Rift, is activated.
Whisper comes through with another pit of Malice on him because it pops the BKB.
Tylong, this is going to be a dieback if you go down to the impetus, doing so much work, can't find the distance.
But there's Nifo with the Avatar. Ultra kill for the beast mode himself, Yuma on the run.
GG is called Harpoon is too fucking good.
Rampage, poor nightfall.
Because he hooked a tree with the fucking Harpoon, Cinder.
And shut your mouth.
You shouldn't be balancing this game.
Let's go.
And that's just game number one for Aurora.
That's right.
If Harpoon had 500 range, none of this would have happened.
You're absolutely correct.
You suck.
You would have changed everything.
Oh, well, that was, to be honest,
Kind of the same game for 30 minutes, and it was just a matter of when or we're gonna close it out like that
This was I don't think heroic took a single good
Convincing fight after the mid game
And I just think that's the wrong approach to placing against this team go to play faster our puns too good Richard
it is
My mortal enemy the harpoon kills walruses anyway
Let's talk about this viper and this heroic game
I I just don't know I gotta be honest with you we we I'm glad to have someone with profession experience backing me up on this
Cuz I just didn't do anything again. I'm not sold on this viper last time we talked to KJ
I did mention the viper thing like why are giving your tyloon
Vipers and bristlebacks and stuff and he basically called it brain damage sometimes. Yes. Yeah, it's not mine
And again, I'm not sure whose call it was, but I just don't believe it's the best fit for the team.
The guy can do so much more and he's just forced to click nose-life.
It's disappointing, to be honest.
He has so much potential to be like the star player.
He can carry games on his back right now.
But yeah, he's playing very well.
I get the idea, you know, conceptually, like you have a star player coming in, they say they want to play something.
play something I mean I believe caps when he says like Ty Lung says that he wants to play he clearly
really enjoys the hero he has the confidence but also like you know kids will eat ice cream until
they fucking explode like you can't you can't trust him like this is where the experience needs
to come in where you say well look dude like you're our best player like we need you to have
play options because when the game is getting rough and we're running out of play options like
like we need our best player to be able to make the moves.
And you simply cannot do that on Viper,
even if you win the lane.
The last patch is different from this one as well.
Like maybe you could get away with it,
but you can just go jungle on Beastmaster.
You know, Makoto doesn't care.
He's chilling.
He has a better mid game than Viper does
despite the laning stage.
I mean, also as well, like in a mobile hero,
you're getting like blink rods at the start of the fight
about a time you've walked away, a reset, the fight's over because you're so slow, you can't get back in.
I don't know, there was just so many teamfights where they literally, like, the Aurora just walked away from the Viper
and the Viper couldn't catch them or do anything.
To me, it seems there's a repeat.
Generally, when Ty Long is playing these heroes and the team ends up losing, he dies a lot with barely any kills.
and says it's it's a sign of he's not comfortable maybe he's asking for the
hero because of the lane but he's not comfortable playing these heroes in the
later part of the game and a lot of these games you see and they go mid game
they go late game just doesn't feel that good I can I can tell from from his
PD actually. On the flip side Aurora played flawless Dota in this game like
borderline flawless 18 and 2 on nightfall immaculate tiny performance
Despite being first pick first phase picked. Yes. I mean they run the
Classic combo that spirit has liked for many years now, which is the tiny centaur throwing him in the card is very powerful
You can toss the centaur in it's double stun follow up lots of damage to beefy boys
Also with the SD to set up like just very well-rounded draft and then Makoto
Basically played carry beast from the mid lane. There was not much pressure on him the entire game
You know, he was hitting good Roars in every fight too. He got reflected once but that was by choice
That's a big problem as well in the draft. They have this like Beastmaster
Pick very early on and it's just not getting answered
We saw last patch dispatch is the same. Mm-hmm like if you don't answer the Beastmaster
You're gonna have big problems the guy can farm so fast with the his tool kit
And then he just becomes this roar machine that basically deletes heroes.
I would actually like to see Beast or Sand King for Tyloam, because I feel like it fits into that category of you want a hero that's always going to do well in lane.
Beast will always do fine. Sand King will always do fine. You can farm stacks.
But then it's a hero who actually has play options.
Like you can burrow strike three people in a teamfight you can roar the right person and solo kill them
like there's things that you can actually do with these heroes to
Express your skills. So it gives them kind of like a mix of both worlds where they clearly want these like lane winners
But then you're also getting something that
Will always do fine and then you can have play options later
Yeah, tiny has been one of the heroes of the tournament. We've talked a lot about it
We talked about avalanche just what a spell Jenkins
Yeah, it's a very good spell. I mean, effectively, BKB piercing, like, essentially, because it's now an aura.
I will go back to that every single time. The Rubik lift back here actually kind of greaves as it leads to a four-man avalanche,
which before it was like, whoa, four-man avalanche, what's he setting up for?
Motherfucker, he's setting up for himself. You get a tree cleave and then a tree toss on Core Tiny right now,
And it's like 2500 AoE physical damage.
If he crits, it's over.
So much damage.
It's so much damage.
Yeah, so I mean, honestly as well, I think we've got this.
This is the unbelievable build.
I, I personally believe this second item that he has,
the mantle style, is like the number one counter
to Viper in the game.
All of the heroes that get countered by Viper,
A lot of the heroes that get countered by Viper are in a weird spot for building Mantastal,
but I've seen like Lornoff, for example, go for Mantastal Huskar to counter the Viper because you can dodge the Viper Strike.
You can dodge the thing that's either destroying you and kiting you, reducing your attack speed through BKB.
All of these things Tiny doesn't like. Even being broken, he doesn't like.
You press Mantta, you dodge it. It's a projectile.
Like, I feel like a lot of people don't realize that. It is a dodgeable projectile.
You get this and it's like why are you picking Viper at that point?
And I think it's because the heroes that he counters often don't like building Manta,
but then you just do it and it's not like Manta is generally that bad of a carry tiny item.
He's fine building it anyway.
It's not bad by any means.
And as you said, the dodge factor, the Viper becomes kind of like...
What's his purpose?
I only want to spell. It's good, yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
You wanted to highlight something as well at 41 minutes, I believe.
Yeah, so leaving Tylox here on the side, I think Heroic
did the best their draft could do. They did not play bad at all. Like they tried their best, but
they have a big problem, a big hole in the draft, and we talked about this in the beginning. They
have no lockdowns. You can see here in this fight, Aurora is just playing. They don't care. They
know the only lockdown they have is some like measly Rubik's tongue that barely lasts at all.
Maybe he feels an avalanche, but he's just dying in like one time, and then there's a pit. So
So all they have to do is just kite the pit out, if Viper ulties, and you don't mount a dodge, stamp he down, and they just keep doing this over and over and over again, and you can see they're struggling.
They're struggling to get a single kill. Weaver, instead of buying Lincoln's, which will help him survive and maybe take better fights, he went for Blink, because he's tired of these heroes running away.
So he just wants to buy a Blink, get in there, maybe hopefully get a kill, but since he doesn't have a Lincoln's, it's hard.
Reward or something like one avalanche. He was dead. Yeah, so obviously huge drop flow off
If they had if they had at least one guy to control properly maybe initiated who I think they would have had much better chances
Again, they did not play that by any means no
And we talked to King jungles about it. He said like we just were doing this to ourselves
So hopefully it's a habit they can break and speak in a break. We're gonna take one now
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We are looking for the top five supports of PGL Velakia Season 8.
What do you got for me?
All right, so fifth place on the Slap Inn Benamonza.
Benamonza.
Easy lane.
You put three points, plague ward, you run in the jungle,
you farm all the creeps.
Got it.
Piece of cake.
Piece of cake.
Fourth position, I'm going to go in Chantris.
All right?
You take a little creep, you push down the lane, easy.
You heal your ally if you need to.
You also have Agnem's little friends.
The jungle just going all crazy and shit.
Christ, yeah.
Wonderful.
Also get two creeps.
OK.
Fourth, third, didn't think this far ahead.
I'm gonna go silencer.
Silencer, newcomer.
I don't think people will respect it.
Decent lane with Glaive, global, skirmishing heroes.
Shh, no dota.
Very good.
Number two, Phoenix, all right.
Super easy to play.
You have Fire Spirit, she's still the jungle.
You just soak it all up, you have Sunray,
you get to heal some dudes, get to kill some dudes.
Sure, first pick, first ban, yeah.
Yep, done.
Number one, Rubik, it's a Wuking Wraith pat.
Tundra all they you know back in the day they win a ti with it. That's because it's a slow blob. He's like look look look now Rubik though
Done, okay, no damage easy. All right
If I agree with this man all five of those heroes are some of our most picked most bands and now you know why thanks to T
Yeah, thanks to T for reminding me that wraith package was a thing I'm depressed now
But whatever, just as well we've got a great series ahead. Heroic, they have to bounce back and maybe just maybe based on what KJ said in the interview from yesterday, maybe they might just go for broke here and just like unleash the beast.
Because they're aware this is a problem, it's been a problem across multiple series now. Like, you know, you're in the upper bracket guys, come on, you're again down.
I feel like it's the last hope of South America in the upper bracket right now, right?
I would love to see these guys pull a better game. I think mostly from the draft it comes
Yeah, Tai Lung it's time time to shine. This is your moment
What you've been waiting for? I mean at some point there they will lose enough
Doing this that they will learn the lesson. I really hope that it's after this game. I
I think that there's a world where the adjustment is too much and they, you know, first-faced slam
pick-a-puck or something like that and it's not good.
I don't think they should go that extreme, you know, the virtue often lies between two
extremes and I think the where that is is up to CAFs and the team to decide but I
think we can all agree it's somewhere in the middle.
I would love to see, like I said, the Sand Kings, the Beast Masters of the world.
if you want him to be on these less standard mid laners,
go for it, that's all good, man.
Just something that has options
because the kid is unbelievably good at Dota
and we just wanna see the potential realized
at the very least, like lose while doing that
so you can see what it looks like.
Yeah, I did mention about tilting in series,
in general in tournaments,
something is still during the middle of the series,
something's just wake up tilted,
something to just fully recover after like a full tilt game and I feel like this is where KJ realizes
guys I think it did not go so well maybe take his team outside have a little chat you know
let's change this let's change that let's have a better positive attitude outlook maybe pull out
something better I think they can do it I believe in her I think Aurora is playing pretty well
and it showed great promise in the group stage as well.
If anyone is gonna beat Heroic Aurora,
I think it's Heroic actually.
They can do it.
Yeah, you can see the Beastmaster won't be featuring
in this game, but was picked by Aurora in the last one.
So obviously, Hero, they valued greatly.
Seems like LoanDroid is not gonna be seen
from the band recently.
Alchemist on the other hand,
I feel like we haven't seen that as well, but not only was it bad, but it was completely ignored as well.
Yes.
Yeah, I think, I don't know, it just didn't look good in any of the games I personally saw,
which I was very surprised about because I think at the previous tournament online before we came in,
I have like a 70% win rate or something, it was like really crazy.
I'm super okay with Alchemist being meta. I mean, I know it's bad.
See people complaining about it, but it's like from a visual
standpoint like seeing people get agonist sectors and doing cool stuff with it is it's quite awesome
I mean I I enjoy that quite a lot loan drew it has a different story
I've seen some guy just hitting jungle camps on one side while the bears on the other and the life doesn't matter at all
Well, you can make that the case for alchemist to like how can this is the loan to it and maybe here's the bear
You know like the loan was just hitting the bear is boring
The bear is boring but the queen of pain or the void spirit I think is cool.
That's my argument. I think those heroes are very fun and cool to watch.
I can definitely say I do not enjoy playing against Alchemist because again you don't...
Me too!
...never find this guy. He's just farming some camps next to his tier 3s but playing with Alchemist I can't enjoy it.
Yeah!
Because I'm getting a free aggurins all the time and suddenly the game becomes super fun.
Yeah, classic woodwind, casual support, team's pick at this tournament, and the pango.
I think my top hero of this patch right now, from my personal experience, pubs,
competitive, this hero always looks good, almost never fails to have a quite powerful impact.
I feel like mid is his lane as I've kept saying this, much better than the offlane.
You can use the advantage of the XP and gold and there's one thing I saw most of the teams actually do on pango
That I don't agree with is that they actually max shield crash
I feel like you should max swashbuckle and then passive
But what the teams do right now they max swashbuckle and then go full shield crash
Some some people don't even skill it at all the passive. So what why do you think you should max the pass of them?
He has a great level 10 talents
whether he buffs his passive, plus the armor reduction. I think it brings up to 11 if I'm not mistaken.
At level 10, if you swashbuckle support, you almost guarantee he's gonna get a passive, a broken.
Minus 11 armor, plus add a Blistone to that, suddenly like minus 13 armor, like I don't know, minute 12.
Yeah, it's pretty stupid. You're just once washed and you're dead. It's really, really bullshit.
One shot some heroes like ringmaster for example that has no armor. He does get one shot
Yeah, just choosing to go for like the greedy air approach
farming jungle camps staffs
It's not even necessarily the greedy approach though. It's your crush idea
I think it's like they think they fight better because they survive the defense all down. Yeah goes down
But offensively maxing swashbuckles post passive with a blight stone is a much better option
I guess obviously it depends where we'll see it.
Heroic have played it in the off-lane and mid.
Tylen played it once, lost with it.
So we'll see what build Ty...
Because obviously it's Tylen, so he might be listening to it.
We forgot to mention, the host car went past first phase.
Also true.
Yeah, for the first time in a very long time against Heroic.
Not only Aurora, but other teams too.
They always banned host car for first phase.
This time they were not scared of it.
You think it's because maybe they are one game up
They're like, hmm, we get to try it.
Let it through, like, yeah.
Yeah.
I think that makes sense, honestly.
Like, if you have an entire draft to handle it,
maybe you can do it.
Ooh.
Largo against the monkey.
I've seen this before.
They prefer putting the Largo.
They assume maybe monkey's a carry.
It's still open right now.
But if Largo is a carry, sorry, monkey is a carry.
Largo has a great matchup against the monkey,
because he can just dispel the passive.
So the monkey will not be a threat for a pretty long time,
actually, until he gets BKB in the game as well.
He can always do it in the middle of teamfights.
Just very strong in the lane, too.
Yeah, I like that this is becoming Largo's niche.
Before, it felt like you would just get this hero
that shreds teamfights, keeps his entire team alive.
It's unkillable, yada, yada.
It's all like in today's.
It doesn't matter what it's against him.
Yeah, yeah, anything, but now it's like you pick it when the dispel is good and then you get all the other stuff eventually
It's not as good as it was before but the dispel is like I mean the only other offensive and defensive spell in the games
Oracle Q and then you have to have Oracle on your team. So it's it's really really good
And you're also getting the HP regen when you dispel things as well. So, yeah, definitely
They're getting a lot of value out of this lot of work. Yeah
It dispelled the shield crush to true
yeah okay cool that's it seems like this is a one two and three right in the
first few picks on four heroic whisper does play it a lot but I can also see I
mean King jungles has been playing Zeus like greedier think is gonna do a lane
nuking maybe yeah I mean tofu did it yeah oh yeah tofu did it so maybe the
ideas like I mean her spells level one are pretty crazy like spirit siphon got
buffed the Q got buffed like the mana to damage ratio for that spell is crazy
good now you know silence is very good against Largo in the game maybe the
idea is okay this profit it could go laning is Largo magical damage always
good against Largo and yeah silence basically was dropped into zero until
he gets a BKB he will probably not be able to fight as good as he wants to
I think we've seen this so many times in this tournament.
Very standard, especially between Kaori and Mira.
Mira has looked like probably the best hodling in the tournament so far.
He has been a monster when it comes to running around the map and getting kills.
That's a crazy stat line.
This guy is just hodling every game, rampaging people.
He does it in pubs all the time, too.
And...
Jaquiro seems like he got nerfed, but not really.
Like, he got this, like, 20 mana cost on passive.
Not passive, sorry, on the liquid fire.
Yeah, not a passive anymore.
But team is still picking this hero, so going for it.
I think, yes, the nerf is there, but it doesn't really affect it too much.
20 mana is not that much.
Jaquiro's stats are incredibly good, so it's not the biggest nerf.
in the world. My guy's back.
Yeah, I was living at the last PGL Bellaghe. He seemed to get picked quite a lot.
People were really getting value out of like certain commotion like
Shatney, I'm with Ian Volcker and the Shackles and all stuff. Yeah, that was a good one.
It was really doing work and then obviously the new patch is coming and we haven't really seen
him. I think it's been once this tournament. I mean he lost both facets, right? Yeah.
He lost the Wrecking Hicks and the big ward, but now he has like the Urna Konda.
Yeah, it's a medium-sized ward, which I think is more realistic for Dota players.
The DP... Right name as well.
Yeah, yeah, Urna Konda. The DP plus Shadow Shaman is a very good, and also picking it in anticipation
of the puck perhaps. Shadow Shaman DP is really good. Like if you can just hex people
and stun them into all of her spirits, it's a lot of damage. Sets up for the silence too
On a hero like pocket and they still go for it. They they still say well, Makoto is so good at this hero that
It it doesn't matter you have shadow shaman also shadow shaman doesn't really like the pokey heroes that much like you're a
Backline jumper you can silence him. You can kill him chase him down. So that matchup does go both ways to that degree
I don't want to rush into it
But if it's like heroic have had the talk right now, they have the 24 pic and
monkey pangol DP is not
necessarily fixed on any lane, keeping it open. So there's a still possibility of
monkey carry, monkey 4, DP mid, DP offlane, DP 5, pango mid, pango offlane.
There's so many things they can do right now. Maybe they're gonna give Tyloon
this much needed flashy hero on mid lane on 24. Aurora seems to think this is
gonna be an offlane pick, probably DP mid, monkey carry, pango, judging by the
Why do you think they ban Doom? Is it for the Largo?
Maybe something they're going to pick.
I guess so. I mean, there have also been some carry dooms.
We've seen Tylong play some Bristle mid.
So there is the off chance of like maybe they're just banning for the game.
Like you said, it's like the number one counter to Largo.
Like we can talk to but
My personal experience with puck against doom the doom is annoying, but it's at some point
It just gets almost impossible for doom to do me. Yeah, so I still think matchup is in favor for puck
And that's why I didn't really assume they banned it for puck
Maybe he just had a bad experience and what happens you have a pub some random day where you play three puck games
And you just get doomed three times
It does happen and it doesn't fix you as well to translate into the professional games
Fizzle's Void Band and Enigma again, but this time from Aurora last time, Heroic Bandit,
Aurora assumed they were going to pick me up, and it's Dwarf's turn.
Oh, the Night God or something.
No, it makes sense why they banned Enigma.
But not the last one.
I do think Doom is pretty good against Wurzandling.
That could be a possibility.
Now, the Fistless Void ban, they're scared of delaying.
They don't have... I mean, Jekyll is pretty good to combo with the Chrono.
But that's when he gets, like, later levels higher, levels in Ultimate Agedance,
and stuff. Hoodwink is kind of decent too.
So, what is, like, the most devastating last pick here?
I mean, I guess something that would lane good against Ursa for Whisper,
Or they could pick something for Tylong to just like stomp the game, maybe more likely whisper.
Maybe a Sky? A Dawnbreaker. So it's a DP5.
6-9, nice.
Mid-Pango, often Dawnbreaker, carry Monkey.
Ursa Monkey has always been Ursa's favorite, but now since Monkey has this new thing where
he hides in his ultimate, he can kind of kite out the enrage.
So the matchup did change a little bit in favor of Monkey.
It's just, let's just see how Ty gets on with the Pangolier really.
That's the big question.
Obviously as I said, he's played it before, lost to him there.
He's finally not playing Viper.
But it's not Viper.
He's playing Pangolier.
Let's go.
mid-hero for the youngest player in Dota. Yeah, it's good. I like this a lot more.
I think Kurok also has a lot of cool play options in the game. They have very good
tower push between the DP and the Shadow Shaman, of course. They have decent
team fighting, you know, Monkey King ring, Pango roll. They have great combos,
Shadow Shaman plus like any other hero and then Dawnbreaker also jumping in
from global like that's a really good combo just saving like a death profit or a monkey king with
the dawn breaker at 10% hp that has a lot of impact in these potential team fights yeah that's what
i'm gonna say the dawn all time to the death profits like pretty pretty good yeah it's good
it definitely fed the impact of missing the lockdowns in the last game and now they just
decided to go all in the lockdowns uh at the same time i am worried because our orders line up
in the late game, it's very scary. Playing as this Largo agonims,
bug that's like invulnerable 99% of the time.
Orsa agonims, you can't lock them down anymore suddenly.
I feel like, I feel like Heroic is on a timer, but since they have this DP5,
they're gonna probably want to play out lanes aggressively, and just like open
map, they have these wards, they can take objectives,
the Roshan, Tormentos, whatever. They're probably gonna try and like
focus on getting early to mid, late, and then it's going high ground.
if they don't I'm pretty worried for them. Yeah, I totally agree. I mean if the fights, if the game
goes later and the fights go long Aurora has insane heroes for those fights like Largo is
going to continue healing, Puck will be un-catchable, deal stacking damage or such exact same thing.
Like the fights are just super easy to play. I'm going for let's go South America. Yeah,
I mean we all want to come back. It's like you know we just got to get over these mental
Barriers, I believe they can do it, but yeah, it's gonna be a great game and now we go over the slacks on the sidelines
Hey everybody. Yep. We're here jobs. Come on in. We have jobs from liquid walk by KP wanted to have them in here
So good to see two coaches with such respect. How bad do you think his draft was?
Well, just guess I mean it's him. I mean, it's golden. It's good for sure
All right, well good there. Now you did copy some homework for some other coaches.
Another team just played and had Jekiro, Largo, Puck. Are you, did you watch that series?
The, like, Perry? Yeah, the Perry with Mr. Puppers. Yeah, I watched it. Yeah. Okay.
Copied homework and didn't even change it too much. Learned from the best, you know. Oh, okay, okay.
Well, talk to me about this one, Japs. You know these two teams very well.
Do you like this one? Do you think this is gonna work out?
I mean, I liked them both but we played loli and saurora and I feel like I've seen this before and
It's gonna be rough for heroic
Now in an earlier interview you said team liquid was the worst team at the event you said that they were quote-unquote dog shit
Why do you think they're so bad?
This is I'm not on the team
That is true. That is true. That was a mistake. Okay. Last question here for you guys. I'm going to need you to call it out.
Who do you think is going to get first blooded? Who's the weakest link on these teams?
Kyory.
Kyory, who's going to get first blooded today? You. Me. Jesus Christ. That's a direct threat.
So we're going to go ahead into the game and I'm going to get myself a lawyer. Thank you guys so much.
Thank you very much.
Learned a lot in that interview heroic versus Aurora game number two is upon us
We got some switch ups in there in
Yep, and you got your favorite hero you have a lot of favorite heroes it seems and downbreakers one of them love dawn
She's doing well this tournament too. She's five and one so one of the best score lines out of any and
We'll be definitely put to the test here the Ursa matchup is I mean he picked it into Ursa
so it's an interesting lane that can kind of go both ways early, especially with Shadow
Shaman to help you against the Ursa, just Dawn loves playing with any sort of reliable
lockdown and most likely Kaori is not going to skill Ice Path until maybe level 4, at least
if they want to have offensive potential, you usually go 102 or sometimes 201 on the
Jikiro, but we'll see, maybe he'll get a value point Ice Path to stop Shackles,
otherwise I actually think Heroic might find themselves in a favorable position into
the Ursa with Dawn. This lane is very, very strong.
Okay.
But let's give it a bit of time and see what Kaori thinks about it. In the mid lane, happy
to see this, the panel. I mean, we're all on the same page here, it sounds like. We want
Tylong to play active.
I'm a survivor, personally.
Okay, yeah. Well, you always have to be the contrarian. Also, when I have good
ideas as a Ruler, you're established.
No, your idea is nerve, nerve, delete, delete. I don't want to be here anymore.
That's not true. I've suggested buffs before. I think we need to bring Pudge back,
for example.
Oh, that's a gimme, they're just pandering to the crowd now.
I think a lot of fans actually are sick of Pudge because they get to play against it all the time.
No one is sick of it, everyone loves playing Pudge, it's the most picked hero for a reason.
Well, I feel like I get to pick it very much anymore, but I love it.
That's because you went 0-in-19 in a competitive match.
That is not why.
So they're talking about this.
I'm a changed man.
Wait, I can't remember, did you win that game?
I don't remember, I actually think we did win.
Yeah, you'd think so it was very
I was so close to greatness. Yeah, the milk award will never close
He's ever gonna happen. I could just lean on the fact that I was trying to get that as a cope
He could have just ran down mid
secured victory for us all the memes
Well nightfall gets to play his
Maybe his best hero. Yeah, Ursa at least the classically best hero for him. Yeah
He's very comfortable on it. And how does this look in terms of matchups?
Good against Dawn when you start scaling especially. The pango matchup I think is also pretty decent.
You courtesy of having enrage and also going BKB a lot of the time, you have two decent ways of dealing with the pango roll and buying yourself time.
And into the Monkey King, that is like we all pointed out a little bit different than it used to be. That used to be heavily Ursa favored.
Now that Monkey King has changing of the guard, he has some play against it, but it's still...
Ursa is one of the few carries that can kill Monkey in the ring, which will inherently always be a nice advantage to have
than if you get some sort of... let's say Monkey gets Ulti off, but you hit a Bushwack, then this guy can actually kill you in the ring
whereas most carries kind of just like, okay, we're kiting him, kind of deal.
Pressure up top, but they can't really fully commit.
Now, McFaul is going to turn it around on Tothiolikor for quite some damage here with the boots.
He's really laying into him as a matter of fact.
I don't know, we'll stop there.
And yeah, as far as side lane matchups go, the bot lane is also quite interesting.
Actually, something can actually happen right now.
Of course, Monkey King, one of the...
You would think instinctively that this is a decent matchup for Monkey
because he's good against most melee offlaners in general,
but Largo is actually really annoying,
because you can just let him get his stacks and then just perch them instantly.
Yep, they all lick-a-roo.
Uh, and also, it's hard for monkey to stick on his target against frog-song.
And then you combo that with bushcrack. I would say this bot lane, as far as I'm...
I would say it's a roar of favor.
Which is...
Very unusual for an off lane.
Not very easy to do with a melee hero into monkey king.
But, they're trading pretty evenly for now.
So, it's all good.
And what about Donberg here later in the game? Because...
In terms of setup for the Solar Guarding, is this something that is absolutely required?
Because we've seen some games actually work out where they don't really, or teams in general, don't really have that setup.
I would say it's not mandatory, but it's very good when you have one or two stuns because it just opens up like Dawnbreaker's decision-making tree in the game.
You just have more options.
But I wouldn't say it's fully mandatory.
Sometimes it can be really good to have Donalds, just as a counter-engage, and you don't necessarily ever need to use it offensively in the game.
Here, it's quite nice against Coil, I would say.
So, if Makoto ever thinks about making a play with the supports, Dawn can maybe counter-act that.
And also, the hero's been changed a bit now.
The axe doesn't work the same way anymore.
You don't have the facet that lowers the cooldown of your spells when you hit stuff.
Almost killed Mira there.
Nice try from Whisper.
So, I would say the standard way of playing Dawn now is more like the older way,
where you're playing more around swaying your hammer and less of that around your old, which I think most people think is more fun to watch anyway, so...
Nice horseback!
Yeah, Nightfall joins the party!
The hammer onto the high ground though.
Good amount of mobility, but...
See the shackle come out?
Nightfall and company have the numbers though.
Still, of course, almost certainly gonna go down first flood to Nightfall.
Definitely a good sight to see for Aurora fans.
The early rotation from the supports, and off to a pretty good start in the mid lane.
How is this supposed to go in the mid lane?
Well, first of all, this is not the mid here.
This is not the matchup.
I wish this was the matchup. I missed death profit mid.
Oh, silencing the swashbuckle tie-long.
I can be able to get the stun off end time, a coat-out, waning risk to the low ground.
Very far is a little early, but has the illusory orb.
Tylen is not going to stop though, that Crip Swarm.
And that is enough.
I don't know if Tylen did anything actually.
But in the end they get to kill Whisper.
Getting gone on.
Lots of fury swipes as the Olocor does find one.
Actually we'll walk away.
But now the seven, actually buying back for the wisdom
shirt, okay?
I don't know if he's going to get here.
He's too late.
No.
That feels atrocious.
Unless they can get Nightfall.
He does get clipped by the hammer, but he's got those boots.
Yeah, that feels bad, man.
Right there.
That feels real bad.
I mean, tell me, if he got it, would that still
have been worth it?
Like, I feel like without a kill, I don't think so, actually.
I feel like this wisdom shrine, we've talked about the nerfs.
I'm not saying you'd give it up, necessarily,
but it can't be that important anymore.
I mean, it's a cheap buyback.
Let's say he gets the wisdom shrine and a creep wave in tower.
I think that's fine.
It's not that expensive to buy back now.
The buy back being on cooldown doesn't matter because he's not...
It's highly unlikely he's going to need it before it would be ready again anyway.
It's kind of a low risk thing where you see a moment of opportunity like,
alright I'll go for it.
I mean how much did it cost him? Probably like...
What's that?
No clue.
300?
The current buy back cost for him is 366, so probably like 350 gold.
That's a decent chunk.
That's a pretty big deal.
It's quite a lot of gold, to be fair.
But again,
You're trying to play it off.
That's a big deal.
He's bought a net worth of the cores by a long shot.
Right.
But let's say you play,
Let's say you pay 350 gold for the Wisdom Shrine
and a creep wave.
Surely.
But you didn't get it.
No, but I'm saying what he was hoping to do.
What is wrong with you?
How does your brain work this way?
You're asking me if it was worth it?
No, it fucking wasn't.
Thank you.
You got nothing.
I'm saying was it worth it from his perspective
while we were trying to do?
Yes, it was a good idea.
but it what didn't work okay thank you there you go thank you so i'm so sorry
i have to spell it out no it's not a very difficult concept it's just it's very
frustrating to hear someone not give a definitive opinion and always dance the
line you know you like chat you bt just make up your mind no i actually gave you
a definitive answer i just a bad example just didn't understand it chat you
bt always gives you a definitive answer even when it's wrong that's what i like
about chat you it's fine it's fine i'll keep it simple didn't ask chat you
It was bad, it could have been good.
There you go. Now I'm speaking your language.
Thank you.
Hope you learned something.
Are you able to change?
I'm able to.
There's been three up here for quite a while for Aurora.
They're gonna get this tier one.
You can see nobody on the minimap for Heroic
is gonna come anytime soon.
They're just sacking this right off the bat.
Classic Jakiro level 5 tower bush
Yeah, just nothing
Yeah, this hero I thought over the nurse. I don't remember anymore
It was literally every game using play. They got 20 monoclast and liquid fire. That was the main thing
And the damage scaling of liquid fire. It's better on level four, but worse on
Also slightly better on level three, but just worse on the lower levels, which is what you know
What J'Kyro was doing in every pro game was just bullying lanes level 1, 2, and 3
So they nerfed level 1, 2, and 3 essentially, but the rest of the heroes more or less the same
It's it's still good. It's just not ridiculous. This is so interesting
There are two supports just shadowing nightfall basically at all times in the last few minutes
That means that frog man's having himself time bot lane WS. He's chilling. Then again, so is monkey
And WS compared to Triple S that we saw earlier today on the Largo will be going Kaya because
he does not have Caudle in his team.
So his timing is later.
It makes a pretty meaningful difference compared to the game that we just saw.
But they still value this.
I wonder if they've been screaming to be honest when you see these two teams run that trio
of heroes.
The Puck Largo, Jakiro is quite noteworthy when a lot of other teams are playing.
no Largo and no Jekiro.
A bit telling perhaps of their practice partners.
KJ was looking for rotation, might just end up using Exo here for the tier one if they
can't quite catch the frog.
WS will show up to lane eventually, there's the swashbuckle into the silence, Yumat.
It's off the Wukong as well, that should be the kill on the Dolf, I'd say that,
but the Lotus actually healing him quite a bit.
Longer has ult, he does go down, but now they put themselves in a very precarious
spot.
cancel out the rolling thunder will snap it and there's the sharpshooter gets off
the rolling thunder and he will survive that unless he can't drive
good for now he doesn't have boots though oh yeah they've corrected quickly
he can't get out or shock they actually will find him the solar
guarding comes in now able to dodge it thanks to the face shift this turn it's
good old-fashioned team fight all of a sudden as Makoto is the one to die to
Yuma the overextension from Aurora the bait of the bait of the bait that was
cool some cool counter plays from both teams
not all it didn't really change much in the grand scheme of things but nice
illustration of the potential entertaining and now the supports are
shadowing night on the bot lane instead and frog is tough let's tie along
with that shadow blade has an arcane rune now nice boots finally does have
Don't break her very good at this. Didn't really notice how many of them Largo got, but she was there to protect and take at least the majority of it.
And it's now going to head.
This is going to be a nice backstab on a WS, so another attempt and another kill.
Yuma claims it.
So, lots of rotations from Herok, all over the map, I mean the fact that KJ was able to get,
I don't know how he got such high levels.
He took some space in mid, if you remember, when Bang goes off a bit.
But I think that was maybe only one wave, so it's still quite decent.
I mean he's going to get level 7 now.
XO is ready in 30.
What do you want to see as a death profit?
It's not exactly like a Zeus type where you're going to get, you're going to
some farm you're gonna get some nice zaps a lot of burst damage later that's
profit totally different play style yeah it can be tricky to itemize on this
hero as a support because usually it's like in team fights is equilibrium base
where you're trying to tank damage so that you can leverage the healing of your
hero see if he hits this phew to mess but well gotta be tough to play your way
out of this one or the olacor so DP's problem as a support a lot of the
time is buying meaningful tank items that keep your lives you can use your
Siphons and in this game you just run the risk of if you get caught by Ursa with
any net worth you realistically have to support you're probably just gonna die
anyway so he will be buying items to distance himself for that reason he's
buying four-step Glimmer because he can't buy core DP items since they'll
be too late so would you consider rules to still be in consideration for the
hero even as a support especially into Ursa I think that's not a bad idea
You can get a bit creative with it, obviously great against Enrage as usual.
Jules, if you're unfamiliar with that concept out there is...
Out there.
I know you're not unfamiliar with it, because we've talked about it a lot.
For once I believe you know something, so that's good.
Oh, thanks.
Jules is unaffected by status resistance, so that's full duration on Enrage.
Yuma.
Sharp shooter, that's a lot of damage.
Makoto's there with the coil as well, and that is too easy for Aurora.
They could have saved him there with a TP and a Donalty, but maybe not.
Too much uncertainty, they didn't know where the other heroes were, so they're going to
sell him.
And in relatively similar fashion to the previous game, Aurora just getting more out
of the map.
Now the difference between game one and two here is this time around, Heroic have fewer
kills even to go with it.
So not really putting all that much pressure in the panel, talk about this, you're
You're playing a tempo lineup. You have Death Prophet, Shadow, Shaman Support, and Dawnbreaker.
You want to make moves. You want to threaten the enemy. You want to force them to respond to you.
So every time Aurora is successfully pulling off moves, they're like double value, because the pressure isn't even on them.
Every time Heroic rotate defensively is a victory in and of itself.
You just want to give Ursa a lot of time and space. He is going to carry this game.
I will say, heroic do have a good line up to contest Roche.
Yep, I think that's going to be a very important role in this game for them.
It's not like the old days, I feel like, where if Ursa doesn't get Roche,
you just lose, but obviously it feels bad.
Those were looking back.
It's actually crazy.
That was actually a thing.
Like you don't get Roche or Ursa.
You just lose most of the time, Mira.
We'll be trying to get away, but you know,
Okay, Ballastrate completely whips, which will allow him to just TP out.
Oof.
Yeah.
He almost did not look all too pleased on his player camera there, understandably.
He's been a very stable player, but everybody makes mistakes.
Fortunately for him, it was on a quick one kill.
It wasn't on a critical moment.
Those are coming in four minutes, as you know.
20-minute timing in this game is where it's all at.
The Ursa gonna be found now though. There's the offensive solar guardian and nice kill
Very easy and whisper rocking his favorite dawn breaker build
I see this guy do this more than any other player the orchid rush
And that's very nice when you're not playing the eggs build anymore this item. Oh, I love love love this
Very cool play. Yeah, they have the minus armor from pango. They have XO
Well, if Aurora realized though, they could poke them out of there.
This is pretty slow without a serpent.
They're not close.
They're going to hit the mid tower.
I think they've realized what's happening.
Well if they did, if they had, they would probably push this a bit more aggressively.
They are timid, I guess they're just not expecting it at all as a matter of fact.
Nice crowd.
Yeah, very nice play.
So 5 minutes to the ages on Yuma, he has mage slayer and going for a deso.
Yeah, mage slayer of course against puck and Largo, a nice item.
So we'll limit that spell damage and now Aurora going for a smoke of their own.
How come we're not seeing that necro item very often?
The Corsier?
Yeah.
It's minus, wait is that the one that's minus HP regen as well?
Yeah, yep.
Against like a Largo type?
Yeah, I don't know who you put on maybe the death broth it yeah, that's true
We could definitely buy that I think that could be a good idea in this game
It's just very expensive so supports generally can't really get there
And to be honest I think
As is often the case with Dota when new items are introduced if they're
Complex it's harder to identify when to buy it. Yeah like consecrated wraps, which is like oh it's broken
I could buy it on every hero every game, which was you know
And that got nerfed very quickly which of course you were very unhappy about because you think broken things are great
I don't like that item though. That's okay. So that one was fine. Yeah harpoon is cool
It's fun. You love harpoon therefore that gets to be broken. You didn't like the wraps therefore that doesn't get to be broken
So understood. Okay, let's discuss something very complex
Okay, something fun to watch or play don't nerf that nerf something else about it
Understood. Okay. Consecrate a wraps not fun in any way. Meanwhile
Frog, very fun, likely to die.
Frog, good design, will die.
Let's dumb this down, shall we?
So is it fun to play with eggs on Largo?
Yeah, of course it is.
Okay, so then why did they nerf the eggs instead of other parts of the hero?
Well, you're not nerfing, you're still buying eggs.
It's still fun because you're clicking twice.
That's what makes it fun is clicking twice.
As long as clicking twice is effective in the game
in the game in some way, people will buy it and they will click twice and have fun.
You see?
You see how it works?
That's amazing.
Jesus.
I didn't know it was this simple all along.
You just need to give people more buttons than it's...
I'm fine with certain deletions, like Tinker.
Go ahead, just delete the entire...
I don't care.
He has a lot of buttons.
He's really fun.
Yeah, but people do not have fun playing against him.
It's like the techies.
Then they just need to pick at themselves.
It's like old techies, that's the reason they got rid of it.
Techies have one button.
Ah, two buttons. He had remote, mine and trigger remote.
Yeah, excellent.
Oh, great.
Anywho.
Torment time!
Let's see, Mercer's in position.
They are playing to Aegis though.
But Heroic are...
kind of slow.
Yeah, but they should...
You could argue they definitely should be here to protect this, right?
You have mana advantage and dawn.
Oh, he's gonna jump in with a battle of strife!
He kills off Mira, and the Torments are still not dead, finally it gets taken out, but that
is the wrong team picking it up if you're Aurora.
Both supports dead, a great snipe from Heroic.
So they were there, with fewer heroes than I was expecting, but it was good enough because
of the timing of it.
Really nice play from Yuma and Whisper there, getting the connection.
Yeah, Aurora caught.
Amazing.
Little bit.
We're gonna find another frog, kill potentially. The coil is on three heroes, but it's not gonna do much.
Easily clean up Mr. Largo. Nothing's looking a lot better for Heroic.
Deserved tip here.
It all started from that buyback from Whisper early on. He got tipped, and then he took it personal.
This is what I like to see, by the way, from any team really, but of course from Heroic
as well as a usually offensive team is capitalizing on advantage.
I think a lot of teams that we've got to cast in this tournament just haven't done it
that well.
In particular today it was glaring in the South American Rejects series, not capitalizing
on advantage.
But this play is enabled by the fact that you've already taken Roche, so it's
so much easier to access or feel confident going to this area and recognizing that
That's the play Aurora will make, because guess what?
They can't make the Roche play, because you've taken it away from them.
So they turned a kill into a Roche into a Tormentor.
All of that happened in a five-minute sequence,
and really, really beautifully set up here from Heroic, so...
Now, it's a matter of just riding the wave.
You're gonna lose the Aegis in 30 seconds, but you're still...
You can tell also from the map movements now, they just feel confident, right?
It's like they flick the switch,
where they recognize we have an insane timing, we're very strong, even if our agent is expiring, we're going to play on the enemy side of the map.
And I think they should stay there, and this is one of the biggest upsides to Dawnbreaker, is she can play your side of the map
in farm camps that you generally don't have access to when you're playing in an aggressive position, and then she can still connect to all the place.
So this is just compared to almost any other offlaner, this is also one of the assets of Underlord, by the way, similar logic.
When you're playing with your four men squad on the other side of the map, you are still not sacrificing farm on your site
So economically this just makes a ton of sense to play this now. They did retreat
I'm actually not sure why because they have really good offensive vision
I would have liked them to stay up there look for a fight, but
Maybe they're waiting for an item timing or something
Monkeys close to BKB, that's probably why well, this is a big fight
Upcoming if they find anybody
Largo is still not strong. He doesn't have eggs yet.
It's actually quite pretty damn poor.
Scanouts, they have an idea. Thai Long?
In this room.
So the smoke breaks but Pango doesn't show.
So now they're confused maybe about why their smoke even broke to begin with.
So they're just gonna call it off. Lack of information.
Well, K.O. is trying to kill the wave and he'll kill himself too.
There we go.
Now BKB enters for Yuma.
Yeah.
Now he's truly in fighting shape.
Love that they smoke right away.
Heroic is so much stronger right now.
Like this is not even close.
Largo doesn't have axe, so his hero isn't particularly useful.
You just picked up a fresh BKB on Monkey King,
which makes him very good against the puck pressure.
So that's only really the Ursula to concern.
And I think if so...
Oh boy.
Especially if he catches first.
Oh my god, he just gets destroyed!
Not a chance.
Definitely didn't need all the ults, but better safe than sorry when it is the position 1 of the enemy team.
And with that, the lead continues to grow now for Heroic.
Oh, hang on, Kaori.
They saw him immediately on the TP.
Oh no, man, let's talk about an instant death.
Just came back to life, TP's in dice 2 seconds after.
And I have to say, I don't know...
Were you expecting in both of these series today the teams to be as close as they've been?
Overall? Like, two of these teams were 3-0 in the Swiss, mind you.
That's, of course, Aurora and Parvizion. They won the Swiss bracket, whereas Heroic and, of course, SA Rejects just barely made it through 3-2.
I'm surprised. I thought at least one of the series was going to be a 2-0. This obviously still can, but Heroic in a commanding position.
I think the first series game one felt more like an anomaly, I guess
It felt more like para vision just not showing up right not to take credit away from
essay rejects, but
That's just my feeling on it. It's gonna find a monkey on the trees
It's how the BKB now is gonna get gone on bite night fall popsy and rage
And that is the death of Yuma big big kill for Aurora. No ulti ready, so he couldn't change
positions against the Ursa
My foe's gonna munch on him. That's a nice find.
Now, if they're really lucky, Roshan spawns now. Let's see if they are.
The answer is no. Two minutes fifteen though, so you don't know this.
Whisper is... Okay, this is one of the things that's so crazy about Dawnbreaker in the right game.
He is two levels ahead of his other cores.
Just, again, nature... The nature of how this girl plays the map.
Oh, that's a death waiting to happen for death profit.
And oh, a double find.
Yeah, that's a domino effect.
Save your buddy syndrome.
Just fuck your teammates, man.
That's what I say.
You live a lot longer that way.
That's why you play Slay the Spire now.
That's right.
No teammates necessary, unless you play multiplayer.
Yeah.
I mean, in my understanding, Slacks
wants to play with you, but you've said no.
No, to Dota, not Slay the Spire.
Yeah, I know.
You said fuck your teammates.
Solar Guardian.
You've already been in the game entirely.
They shift out, just everything, whisper!
Very, very, very good!
My goodness!
They are...
What is happening after you praise them?
It's like they listen!
And a curse activated!
Oh wait, we're doing well!
Let's fuck it up!
This is very strange.
I mean, the Monkey King death...
That's a good smoke, it happens.
Everybody else after that is like...
This feels very orchestrated.
You know what's happening on the map.
It's a very unnecessary cascading effect
to lose 5k gold like this.
Just no, no matter how you spin it, it's also a good play from Aurora, but they got way more than they bargained for.
Maybe, you know, maybe you kill the Monkey King and you find one more somehow.
Like, maybe you find the Death Prophet after, so be it.
But then to find DP, she gets help from Shaman, they both die.
And then they find another, and then sh- oh, don't you worry.
Sylong doesn't have Swash for four seconds, has the roll up no ult either.
This is effectively a team wipe over the course of a minute.
It's it was a 6k lead before that point by the way now. It's basically even yeah
They lost their entire advantage and now Roche is gonna be up in 30 seconds. I mean look at this graph
It's tangled be up by then basically of course a famous song by nickel back
This is ugly
Is that a nickel back some thoughts photograph, but there's a meme with look at this graph, and then he's holding up a graph
But I haven't seen that one
Do you like Nickelback all right? I think they get too much. Yeah, I
Get so much shit. I mean they're not amazing. They're also not terrible. There it is. Nice
Yeah, I like them a couple good song exactly. That's kind of where I'm at to me
It was just became a meme to hate them exactly
It's kind of like with you know when Justin Bieber got popular was also like you just had to hate Justin Bieber
I can't relate with that one as rush will go the way of Aurora. So that's rush number two
That's nightfall. We'll get the goodies
Okay, so we praised heroic for taking advantage and turning into more and more now they lost
that entire advantage and Aurora did the exact same thing turning it into more and more.
Orc was used on the pot pot, there's too many heroes to contest with, Whisper just
blows up to the sharpshooter and the bleeding just won't stop for heroic.
You okay there?
I mean it's rough.
I'm okay. I'm okay. Okay. Take it easy. Everybody chill. You take it easy. Heroic can still sort this out
This is high ground attempt
28 minutes in the game
They have the banner
It is out of range of most of the creeps just the range creep one is enough
Exactly just keep that alive and Largo is playing his guitar and now
Now, the Hex initiation, the link though into the battle is strike Makoto on the back line
going to force out the Monkey King.
It's probably going to break up here.
They are healing.
They are staying, I suppose.
I wouldn't mind them just finishing the tower and then backing, but three and a half minutes
ago you can get a little bit more control of the map.
And they got what they wanted, right?
They forced five heroic heroes back and now they can spill out onto the map and
push all lanes.
And then if you can do this and then pull off successful smoke, you kind of have an iron
grip on 80% of the map at that point.
So that's probably the dream scenario is Puck pushes top, Ursa pushes mid, you smoke now,
kill someone, and then you're very, very strong in your positioning.
See if Kaori chooses to use it, they're just warding for now.
And wading in the wings, no smoke yet.
You can tell the heroic are very timid about the situation. They understand the gravity
of what's going on here. If they get caught they might just lose a game, actually.
Which is kind of crazy to say out loud that when five minutes ago everything was looking
so healthy it's just come crashing down. They'll find an opening though.
Speaking of crashing down, K-O-R-E, we'll tank it. There's a boomerang in the midst
here. Sharp Shooter hits the Monkey King as well. He's rolling Thunder by Tylong
but he is all alone right now. There's actually a haste from Makota to pick up.
It's alright though.
Just biting his time.
They got out.
They didn't lose anyone.
They killed Jaquiro.
By time.
Now this one, however.
They will lose somebody now.
It's the other TP.
Never mind.
Oh, Bushwack.
Never mind again.
Double never mind.
Whisperer.
Solo Guardian.
Never mind again.
He's out.
You said he was out.
You knew exactly how it was going to happen too.
My instincts are always on point.
Who's dying next?
Jaquiro.
a safe pick we could say yeah
it's five deaths it's not that bad it's just the most likely hero to die bro
well unless you think Aurora pulling off the move
yeah kj on the death profit has go scepter now to go along with his
four-step it's gonna go breeze after the fact nightfall this time should be
able to get the Torn. This one's theirs, and it goes to nobody. They all have it.
What? Wow. They're only one of the few players that buys the Shard and Jekiro, so yeah, they have
all of them. He's writing his decision now. I don't know, it's also good to give... Effectively,
if you think about it, you're pooling gold to your team by buying the Shard and then getting
the Torn Enter, so then everybody just gets more gold. Yeah, but like we've already
established, you don't give a shit about your teammate. Right. That's how you win in life.
I don't think Jakiro's the right pick then.
If you want to play for yourself, you pick Tekkis.
That's a good place to place mines everywhere.
He's going to jump in instantly, pops the BKB,
whispers who he has his sights set on.
He's stuck inside the wars, but finally gets out.
Now Yuma with a putt ultimate as well as Naifo will get the distance out of the ring.
Solar Guardian, not really any effect at all as now the macro pack comes in.
But they actually take out Makoto, gets bashed really deep into the fight.
The Boundless Strike takes another, that's Kaori.
Is the Aegis still up for 40 seconds, Nightfall.
He's being healed up.
There's a Shieldroom there, Tylong gonna go forward,
he gets it.
Swashbuckle into the Shieldcrush.
I don't have to take out the Ursa quite yet.
Tylong, maybe he will get the kill.
Yuma, double kill for the Monkey King.
Turning things around is heroic.
They're gonna get the frog on top of that.
Yeah.
That was just a perfect counterplay to
What, under different circumstances, could be a fine initiation?
The problem is you're blink jumping the DP and she got Ghostseptor off.
If you get a fast dash, this fight is totally different.
But KG gets to play the entire fight, gets to effectively kite out a full Ursa engagement,
including BKB and Enrage.
At that point, it doesn't really matter that you have the Aegis because your second life is so bad.
So...
Value for Mane in this Ghostseptor, look at the jump here.
Bit unlucky, I guess, that he doesn't get the bash in the first two swings, but gets off that ghost and the beautiful War Trap from the Olycora as well.
But just these couple of seconds here and there mean the world against Ursa.
Don Ulti might not look like the best, but still...
This right here, the rolling thunder hitting Makoto.
Yeah, killing Poc was...
That ended the fight, I think.
...for sure, yeah.
And then they took out Jakiro.
And yeah, Nightfall has the Aegis here, so he kind of can't really...
It's not terrible if he dies, it's not...
Because he'll probably get away after, to be honest, but he has no point in playing offensively
because they don't have any potential anyway, so he's just going to get out.
Very nice from Eurolic, back we go.
Bit of a rollercoaster, Jinx, what do you say when you both say Jinx?
Say Jinx again.
No, you don't.
Yes you do.
Chats for something else.
Chats for FPT it.
So we get all our information as Monkey King, going to get Solar Guardian that's going
to heal him up a decent amount.
They find the puck, the full Starbreaker combo as well, and Makoto dead again.
Very unexpected, Niffl is going to jump in, they still want to fight apparently, the Exorcism now pops, Ghostblade as well.
KJ is just going to get cleaned up easily. Meanwhile, WS on the frontline as this frog, they get the Hex, they get the nullifier, they get the rolling thunder as well, they get the founder strike, and Niffl completely destroyed.
They get the shield crash on basically everybody as Aurora, down and out with 4.
Mira now on the run
He's probably not getting away from monkey game. Yeah, they're gonna continue to pursue they get a little bit of vision there
And that should oh, okay. I thought you got deleted. Sorry about that. He's dead. Oh, okay. This time. Okay
It's the song gonna hit it will wow
You didn't catch that one. It's all about the LD. Oh, you don't catch it. You just didn't care
I was drinking my hot water.
Yeah, but he didn't spill it everywhere, so it must not have been funny enough.
No, it wasn't funny.
That's fine.
Yeah, another great fight, and again, similar logic.
The Ursa getting kited and Puck dying.
Puck has a BKB and doesn't get it off.
This is a very uncharacteristically weak performance from Makoto on Puck.
This guy is supposed to be at least top three in the world on Zero,
and they've had his number in a couple of fights.
The Shaman Hex, the Orchid,
And even with the BKB, he still gets killed.
He needs a link? Oh, he does have a BKB, right?
I think he needs disc, to be honest.
I think it's a safer choice, but maybe it's too...
The problem when you buy disc is you're getting no offensive value,
so he's probably worried that he's not scaling enough.
He's gonna go for the Octarene, which is kind of an in-between thing,
where you have more defensive and offensive properties,
the more health pool, low cooldown spells,
But I still think with an Octurine if what happened just happens again. He still dies
I don't think it's going to change anything they over killed him by quite a bit and now
Monkey King is even worse to deal with butterfly completed huge against Ursa hates buying MKB
Now he's putting nightfall in a tough position itemization wise. What are you going to choose?
You ma the puck here and he sees him too with the war. Oh, he actually gets chopped down, but
What?
I'm gonna save it.
Still smoked up on three for Heroic.
And Roche is now up.
That's a big one.
Yep.
Teolokor has level three Serpents.
Pretty quick Roche potentially.
Level three Exo as well.
Very nice support levels now on Heroic courtesy of those one team fights.
And then they're gonna start starting ever so slowly and then leave.
Okay, well, they didn't really want to do it anyway, just saying hello to Roche, checking that everything is all right.
Do they have a smoke?
Did you mention the refresher on Tylong?
I did not.
That is quite early.
Yeah, that's maybe one of the earliest I've seen.
Pretty cool, though.
Until fuck hits 25, which is very far away.
He's level 20 on Makoto. Pango's almost 25. It's a little like, yeah.
Quite the discrepancy there. Until Bugs 25, this Rolling Thunder is very reliable.
I don't think Ursa's gonna solo you in Abyssal, and there's not much other damage.
Here it goes. Heroic.
After a great start and then a massive bump in the road, we are back on track.
all the goodies ages on Yuma level 25 so bigger ring and the cheese goes to DP
for now and get a lot of leverage out of this if you survives the initial go
Is he actually out? Wow. Surprising.
Tylong gonna focus now on finishing an Abyssal Blade.
Yuma is very, very big. 24 charges or stacks on the desolator. Butterfly now, Nullifier along with a BKB, Mage Slayer running out of room.
And his counterpart in Nightfall's Ursa trying to finish the MKB go through that butterfly
Yeah, it just feels really bad having to buy this but there's just no way around it
I think so I'm just he's almost done by the way from a code. Oh, so I did switch. Yeah, I did
okay
Made the same judgment call, but I understand why he didn't like it to begin with I think maybe he just has to settle for it
But it's it's kind of one of those lesser evil situations neither option is great or well octereen is great
But it has downsides disc you only buy what you really have to
But it does feel like he really does so
Good buy it now you will
All right Yuma on the high ground serpent wards placed
Defense needs to be mounted from Aurora
Oh, here we go.
Trying to get out the wars.
The yellow for is there with the hacks, Tylon.
Ult number one.
Not going to be that effective.
It's zoning quite well.
That's going to be the glyph he has for fresher, as you mentioned.
Well, actually, I thought maybe they were just going to put down the Wukong's command there and just go for it, but...
All right, I'll take it a bit easy looking for an entry pick instead.
Oh, there it is.
Going to go for it onto the frog, Wukong's command with a boundless strike, he's on the outskirts though, pops the BKB, they do get the tower, that is a huge ass ring, that's knife fault.
Close to the barracks now and Aurora actually going to defend, all they lose is the tower.
Maybe wait for the next Wukong's and then go again.
Yeah keep in mind they do have a refresher shard on Yuma, so if they want to go for the double ult eventually.
They could wait too though. 45 seconds you will have it naturally again.
You kind of want to get your other spells up and running too.
Use a lot of stuff there. 50 seconds now for Donalty, 90 for Exo.
But I think very... I don't think there's any reason not to use the Aegis in this position.
So I'd like to see them look for a smoke or just barrel down bottom again when Exo is about to be ready.
Some decent overlap here, Exo's up in a bit over a minute and you've got two minutes on the Aegis.
It feels like it's possible to finish that lane.
Interesting pick up, Mira goes for a nullifier.
I love this from Tylong, by the way. He's going AC.
I think it's super good this game.
On pango. This is an occasional item. We see the hero by.
You get all the defensive armor.
You get all the armor against Ursa, which is great, and it's very valuable for a monkey king to have a teammate by AC, so you don't.
And all your spells obviously have synergy with Minus Armor, so...
Oh, they already have an AC now.
Oh, they do.
You're right.
Then I like it less.
I already have it on Dawn. I don't think you need to double dip here.
See if they realize.
Surely.
Hasn't bought any components yet, so maybe he just has an old quick buy and hasn't updated it as possible.
Alright, we're going to see exactly what I talked about. They are going to try to siege this with a nice timing here.
Exo in 5. Want to use the Aegis.
And...
What's up, Rochebanner?
Kind of far away. Did they place it? Yeah, they did.
It reaches the siege creep, so...
Yeah, the single siege creep right now.
That's good enough. The Siege Creev isn't going to move.
Oh, the first one did.
Well, this one won't.
Oh, now? Like that, okay.
Then it will...
Got a nice silence out of the Monkey King. Into the macro pie. This could be life number one.
Very wasted, it feels like, from heroic.
Rolling center from Ty Long, going to create some space.
Find a find, Mira. Not able to find the connection.
That's a very deep dive from Yui. He's going to get bashed up though by Nightfall,
focusing all his efforts on the Monkey King, turns into the Soldier Boat,
into a tango now as well as WS being hounded by Tylong,
still healing through most of it as Tylong gets another rolling thunder.
What are they able to do here is Makoto getting absolutely destroyed by the right clicks,
able to blink out just in time though.
They get this full set of barracks and now the hex onto the Ursa,
Nifo in a lot of trouble, gets licked to safety as WS is going to be able to get back to fountain.
And now they orchid onto the puck and now they're jumping from Nifo that can be able to take out Whisper.
So a full set of racks for heroic it cost a monkey king dawnbreaker
That's a really good defense. Honestly, you were down almost 15k there and
The enemy team had ages advantage. Yeah, you lose a lane of barracks, but we're 43 minutes in it's not that big of a deal
I think that's a a big overall win for or despite losing some real estate
Yeah, I feel like that first when losing the ages in that capacity out of position
Yeah, you force your team to go in and then it didn't go as well as it could right
Right, it felt a little less organized than it could have been, they tried to open the
fight with an offensive monkey king jump in, there were other ways of doing this, you could
have popped Exo in the serpent wards and just slowly siege, you could have popped the Wukong's
command again and just stood in that and hit the barracks, I think both of those options
probably would have worked better than what they did, and yeah this is such a big swing
because the fight itself was like 6k or 7k and now there's all the downtime where
You don't get to play the map and when you list this late in heroes farm really fast
So the total loss will probably like 10,000 gold
And a tier 2 tower now top so this means all the lanes will be open. Oh, excuse me mid tier 2 is still up for
Heroics, so they have that lane safe
Yeah, boy boy this game is a roller coaster that's graphics
Seems like it's bad to get an advantage. You know just yeah destined to lose it
That's why Aurora is happy to be down 4k.
Yep.
Tyla is coming for the AC.
Alright, okay.
I'll tell them.
Interesting.
I mean, I will say one thing about it is he is kind of on his own.
In a lot of these fights.
Yeah.
Doning.
That's true.
That's enough to warrant it but could argue for Shiva's then with the same logic right more a we the slowest nice vision
I mean considering that dawn already has one I would have rather seen
It's also a better value proposition defensively because it's it's cheaper and gives more armor the same slide
That's a feels good item for lakin as well.
This is a nice pick up here, the scottie.
Or yuma, that's going to help against Largo's heals of course.
And just overall with the kiting of Ursa, it's very valuable.
Well, let's maxed out now, right?
Like what do you replace?
I guess you replace Macelei for Satanic.
Probably the plan here.
Still has refresher and cheese on their team, lest we forget.
So that was not used by Heroic, she still has a couple of advantages going forward.
She's still sitting on the death prophet, don't really...
This is the problem, and it's actually kind of meaningful that this has happened to Dota, right?
Heroes get six slotted so much faster, so by extension,
Cheese is a support item already at 40 minutes.
The cores don't even want it anymore.
As I say that, Dawn actually has a greater healing load as right now, so maybe she could take it instead,
but she is about to finish a nullifier momentarily.
We'll help them kill the Puck, but of course...
of Yuma wanted to start the fight night falls gonna fight it for him he's
bashing them up right away there's the wukong's command number one but he has
the damage no he turns into a soldier but I shortly after but they had the
connection on the nightfall so it's gonna be a one-for-one carry for Kerry
don't see that too often as Makoto using the macro fire to his advantage to
take out KJ on the death profit now they're on the hunt chase the olacor
extremely low, Makoto would love to finish the job on him at the very least.
Now the illusory orb, it will not hit.
How far can they go with that burst right here?
What the hell is that?
Okay.
The world has completely torn apart, it seems.
Who was leached to the zero point of the map?
Was it the orb?
I don't know.
Well, it's all right.
The game is coming out in a bit, don't have time to fix it for launch.
Trovade is about to end.
Oh, the problem with this refresher is he doesn't have time to put in an inventory.
Yeah.
I mean, it is...
Now that it doesn't work on items, you BKB and then you swap it, but...
It's dying before that even comes to be.
Yeah.
Maybe Yuma is a little bit too eager. I don't know.
Like, he's just jumping in first like this every time seemingly.
When you also just... wait.
You just insta- God bless.
I think the ideal situation here is that you Wukong's from the tree, right?
Like, you wanna do that to start the fight.
And in order to do that, you need either Shaman to open the fight
or you need to stun into insta-ultying but not jump in.
I don't know if he- did he have the shark toggled and he jumped in by mistake?
He jumped in with Primal Spring, right?
Yeah.
Oh, that is...
the face of regrets
you know all about that, you look in the mirror every day
that is right and I make that exact face
look in the mirror, put my head in my hands and I'm like where did it all go wrong
and then for whatever reason I never learn and I do it again every morning
that's right
unfortunate
it's almost comforting at a certain point
yeah
you're misery
you get used to, get addicted to a certain kind of misery
what song is that from?
sounds like you can get addicted to a certain kind of sadness right and imagine
dragons no
something like that yeah get addicted to certain kind of sadness oh it's somebody
I used to know by gotcha that's right
and I was close from 2011 yeah well I guess you've got the right decade
yeah it hits the right D
right then
I already forgot what news who you said it was
imagine dragon yeah yeah okay right
all right Aurora now they have a bunch of goodies on their side ages cheese
Roche banner and shard
Right now the shard is on Largo
Hmm, that can't be okay. It's not ours. That makes a lot more sense
He's in it for the long haul by the way now WS he took the Enchander's bobble
So we're planning for a 60-minute error if we whisper the bash is there and BKB down for nightfall now
That's kind of a big deal
Are they actually going to wait 80 seconds you think?
I mean why not?
You've got three and a half minutes on Aegis. You have the enemy in their base. You're not in a hurry.
You have Enchantress, Bobble.
WS is probably like, hey guys, can we siege in 25 minutes?
I want to recraft my Bobble twice.
God, that's such a cool item.
Oh, there's one on the shaman too. They're really planning for this, huh?
Interesting. I feel like in pro play this is almost never the right choice.
I want to see a curio into a bobble.
I'm thinking about that. But I guess every time you recraft a bobble, then you lose
the curio, right?
No, the cure effect stays, I think.
Does it?
I think so.
Maybe I don't know.
I mean, it's such a niche thing. It like never happens in pro games, right?
I guess it should be said that Enchanter's bubble doesn't do nothing until you recraft it
It does give 10% more effectiveness if you're timeless but that they have yeah
And if the alternative tier 4s were just very bad then this might have been the best option
Even if you don't recraft it. Yeah, some of the tier 4s are just not good
really
Okay coil coil
And it's on the roster
Gonna get a full shackle. You don't see that very often at 50 minutes in the game.
And then he's gonna die.
Get down his Ernakonda.
Yoink.
And yeah, surely it's time to...
Yep.
Turn the screw again and go high ground, especially 5v4.
Now you know for sure more or less that there should be a buyback on this Shaman,
but you know he doesn't have this, which is nice.
Nice.
And, yeah, into the base we go.
This Largo is a beast.
Yeah, he's got shards, so that's double Lincoln's now, 25 talent.
It's nightfall working on the tier 3s.
They're going to get it, Roche Banner very far away, extended thanks to good old Roche
number 4, I believe.
It's a very, very long reach.
Yeah, these are...
And they can't reposition them with a wing.
They need to go in and force staff them, if they want to kill them.
This is just going to be a lane if they don't do anything here.
You can see Aurora just waiting in the wings.
Makoto is getting drained a bit.
They're actually going to force the backpack on Arosa.
There's Tylen with the rolling thunder.
Meanwhile, the Hex on the death prop.
He's in very deep get's bash up the solar garden.
He's not going to save him.
Down goes KJ, down for 90 seconds in fact with the macro fire.
Pretty good placement onto two heroes Arosa.
That's a dieback for him.
Already advantage for Aurora, but to get the Hex they get.
That is the Aegis being expired now as Tylong gonna try to roll up right on top of funk. Very nice timing, and they kill him.
Beautifully done.
Can they get more as a real question? Does Aurora still want to fight? Nice fall. Not too scared.
I don't know if I've ever seen this in a game before, what just happened.
That was sick.
He did double boundless strike. Boundless refresh boundless on the puck. Yeah, he used such a refresh truck for that kill.
Definitely, Makoto was not expecting that.
got licked in as the Wind Waker now apparently. The Siege Creeps is still on it. The Siege Creeps will
actually just solo the Barracks now. It's an Agnus Scepter picked up by Knifle so he can use
his enrage while stun. Yep. Not while silenced though unless he has the BKB. That's one lane for
Aurora. They only have the Orchid for that. Oh excuse me they have DP sounds too. So two
tools. The DP sounds is not very reliable though. But then it felt like... oh hang on
that's a nice pick. It felt like Heroic's entrance into the fight just went horribly wrong, right?
Like DP just got killed instantly, and Shaman's a boot on the buyback.
Yeah, I didn't even know how she got back there.
Just full wrap around, I think, but considering that, I think this result could have been way
worse. Like you were 3v5 after a very short time. You can see on the minimap here,
he's wrapping around from the back on DP, gets hexed. He has a BKB himself,
and Ghost Scepter, and Four Step, and Grieves and gets nothing off and KJ's reaction understandably frustrated here.
This could have been so much better if he pressed his BKB when he went in there.
Yeah.
You'd think he might survive the Ursa, and then there's not much else to worry about beyond that, but...
...they still aren't this that refresher. Jesus.
Double boundless, and he also gets out afterwards on Yuma, so keeps the game alive.
these enchanders wobbles only six minutes away now
oh man that's the fact that that's more exciting than tier five items
that's the state of things
all because of you all because your complaints okay
I blame you on tier fives do you really think
but I've made a big difference I do you sound logical
but you have no idea what you're talking about yeah that's the problem
I've heard so many people.
And you're the kind of, you don't sound logically,
you just, you have very-
I sound very passionate.
You sound very passionate and convinced,
but you also have no idea what you're talking about.
I mean, of course, nobody does.
That's why you shouldn't listen to anybody.
They're professional game designers.
Don't listen to your community.
They're idiots.
Okay, well, you're a professional game designer,
so you'd think you would know something about game design.
That's true. I didn't want to bring that up
because that tells people, but you know.
Yeah.
As a game designer, I'm a bit of a game designer myself.
I must say, the changes to Harpoon are quite clever.
Yeah, it's good for the game.
Yeah, it's very good.
In fact, I think if I were a game designer for Dota,
anything you say I would just do the opposite.
And it's probably, in terms of the track record,
I think this will be the greatest game of all time.
I mean, it already is, but we hit a new peak
with the greater wrist.
OK.
Makoto looking to get agonim scepter, which would replace his treads
Could buy it, but obviously the buyback a little bit more
Important right now. Yeah, he is level 25. So
Coil going through rolling thunder pretty big deal
It's a huge deal
Did we see it in the previous fight?
I didn't notice it.
I didn't notice if he called Pango, but obviously that is-
My long!
Abyssled!
Do they have the damage?
Absolutely!
Nightfault demolishes him and a five versus four now.
May Sharpshooter and Lick the Olocore, and he's dead too.
No buyback on either of them.
Is this how it ends?
Not like this, man.
We wanted a big epic fight at 56 minutes.
Two heroes dead out of position, no buys.
And they know the Shaman doesn't have his because he died back in the mid-fight.
So Aurora is going to be very confident and try to poke and prod to buy and to force out
this.
Oh, he actually misses boundless strike.
A good force out from the Jekiro.
So this Wukong is just to buy a little bit of time, but the fact that he uses it here,
I think indicates that Pango doesn't have my...
Yeah, this is very...
Like, why else would you use it?
It's very, very telegraphed.
What's going on here?
This is Megas for sure, Aurora has zero reason to go back.
Absolutely none.
If they had buyback they would have used it to defend the first set here probably.
So yeah, just, I think, okay, this is kind of cute, they're looking for, yeah, they
need a wave but they also try to turn this into maybe hitting Monkey King down their
mice.
And at the bottom lane is still close by so no backdoor protection yet, 30 seconds
for Pango.
But yeah, I don't see how you defend this.
And to add insult to injury, Roche is up at 15, so...
With Megas...
Oh boy.
You should be able to get the next Roche.
You still have a refresher short and cheese.
Man, what a shame.
There's been so many tooth and nail fights and taking turns at winning stuff.
This was not...
Not the ending we were hoping for, but...
Oh, of course we were like, they get one last try to make a crazy defense.
One last stand.
Unfortunately for us, it might be without tier five neutrals
because they could rush and go straight for it.
Mira.
Mira, finding another connection.
They get the macro pie.
There's the harpoon that Cinder and think is OP.
But he's obviously wrong because Don
Bricker dies right after using it.
Yeah, very.
Kager, they still want to fight.
Do you have buyback with a solar guardian there?
Another missed boundless strike.
WS pops the DKB.
Exorcism is activated as well
As they're going for the Rasta, he's looking at the wall like Blair Witch Project.
He's dead. 90 seconds. No way to get back in the game either.
His title, he already had to use the refresher.
Another rolling thunder at the ready.
He uses the cheese. He's going to be fine for now.
Yuma, Boundless strikes in. He wants to get really aggressive.
He uses the Wukong's command. Nullified off the Yulz though.
Turns into the soldier. Kills off Kaori.
There are creeps in their base. They do have to be careful.
Knife fall no longer in this fight as he is really, really low.
Could be past the cheese potentially.
As the Boundless Strike gets dodged by Mephages, a nightfall jumps in, destroys Tylong, and Yuma follows suit, and that might do it surely, as it creates continuing to pound on the Tier 4s. Only two alive now for Heroic.
Five V2 with no Monkey King Ulti and BKB.
Last ditch effort at Whisper Rapier.
Like a rapier in a five-man starbreaker. Oh god. He's gonna die in the fountain. Well, there was no divine yet
I guess. Oh, all right. Well, Gigi's called and Aurora
Looking very good in this series. It was a hard-fought one though
Yeah, they went they do went to oh this game was back and forth
I don't know if you want to take the possible the negative angle on that for either team side a lot of big plays
some mistakes here and there, but ultimately Aurora would be, I would say, maybe slightly better and easier to execute game plan in the end.
Yeah.
Do get it done.
So, Heroa go to lower bracket and Aurora going to be facing off against ParaVision in the playoffs.
That is correct, Sunsvan. And we're going to try and break it down a little bit here on the panel.
We did say if it went late game, we felt Aurora had the better draft for that, but it also does feel to me that
Heroic missed the timing and probably should have closed that game out. They did miss a big timing. They went
Pretty good on the laning stage. Yeah, actually took advantage of the how the lanes went to control of the game
but at some point they started crumbling for them they started like dying one by one and
Aurora just took over just to throw it again later on for heroic to take control again and then
It's just it's just a repeat like it just happened back and forth with this while this entire game
I feel like Aurora in the end they have the better heroes for the late game
So obviously it's gonna be like yeah extremely hard for right when it's they need to all play too much
I mean I will say Makoto played out of his mind. He did absolutely
Actually insane as usual on puck like this guy's probably top one in the world right now for puck
You can see why they would like first phase pick it even when it can get entirely countered. They still go for it
Yeah, unbelievable game from Aurora. Honestly, I'm not unhappy with what I saw from Heroic
in this game. I feel like this is just more in line with what we would expect from them.
As you can see here, it was literally, they had a massive goal. If anything, they threw
this. I think they're going to go back to the hotel and they're going to talk about
this game as like, okay, the draft was good. We like this new style that we're
playing with you know Tylong actually being on a playmaker it looked good but
we threw this game how can we not throw because the thing is like you give a
team like Aurora a single chance and they're gonna they're gonna go to
town you know like they're gonna they're gonna take advantage of that. To me
actually in this in this in this game Tylong is actually his panel player even
though he lost. Yeah. I feel like he had so much impact in this game. I went to
I'm playing in like 50 minutes.
Playing, you know, plays the hero well and certainly much more impact than the Viper.
Definitely.
And Viper is less as well.
100% his tile, they should probably give these types of heroes more to Tyloon.
And I feel like if they have just a small talk about how not to throw the games,
maybe look at this replay, they will probably do a lot better in the next series.
I'll bring this back to what KJ said as well when he interviewed him.
He said that when you're in a tournament, the teams that go on to do well are generally
the ones that can not take mental damage from defeats, particularly defeats like this, where
you should have won. So we'll see if they're able to reset in the lower bracket. But yeah,
I definitely think they're going to have lots to talk about in specifically this game, more
than the first one. It's like either they don't take mental damage at all, which I would
say is more in line with like how liquid operates, or they do take mental damage
like ParaVision, but they're able to talk about it and work it out. For Heroic, I feel
like they're a bit of A, bit of B, where they're really chill guys, so there probably won't
be a crazy amount of mental damage. And then also they are capable of talking about things.
Aurora on the flip side doesn't need to do any of this because they're just winning.
They're playing fundamentally very good Dota. This guy, when he plays Hoodwink, I hate
to say this because I feel like it's so cliche, but there are some player hero combinations
that it feels like it's creeping up the charts of maybe you should consider banning it just
because you know it's like 5-in-1, okay he's pretty good, 6-in-1, 7-in-1, 8-in-1, at what
point do you think like this team is too reliant on this and let's just see what they play
like without it.
Well, all good with the item build as you saw, he went null fire, on hoodwink.
That was so good.
against a DP and the monkey is great.
Well, they're certainly reliant on Makoto, who had an amazing game, and he's with Slack now.
Absolutely. Yes, I am here with Makoto, my man, coming in, making the enemy say, Makoto, no!
Hello! Anyway, welcome to the interview, my friend. Do you remember anything about Game 1?
Anything at all? I mean, Game 2 was very eventful, but what stood out to you from Game 1?
Game 1, actually, I cannot forget what I played.
Can you tell me what I played?
It was Beastmaster, you remember that?
Okay, it was Beastmaster.
Game 1 was kinda like...
I mean, we kinda expecting Viper to like...
We kinda expecting Viper to get picked by them,
and then like we just kinda ready for it.
And then like after all that,
we just like need to not bleed in early, early game,
so after like 20 minutes happened in the game,
I feel like we kind of secured the late game that one.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you guys are doing a great job coming back from these games.
Although I have to say, don't you think it's a little rude
to come back like that?
Like, wouldn't a really proud team just
gg out when they're that behind, especially in game two?
You guys were absolutely getting pooped on.
I mean, is it really worth winning a game
to come back like that?
I mean, it's always, I mean, DotA is not early.
I mean, you can always play Dota like for one hour or two hours and it depends on how well the team is and then how you guys like communicating in the mid game.
So it's still like fun to like winning and late game.
That was genuinely one of the dumbest questions I've ever asked and your professionalism answering it.
I really do appreciate that.
Puck and Game 2 signature hero for you. Absolutely goaded Puck.
I have to ask you about a certain moment though. You got refresher boundless struck by that monkey king
Yeah, definitely someone that he was targeting. What did you feel? Did you feel like that was necessary?
I think it was kind of like my mistake. I was expecting to like I can use my death spell like
But maybe I suggest just be KB and a linker on the way from the Wukong
I mean that one kind of my fault there.
So you think that's on you whereas the enemy is literally refreshing just to try to kill you. You're just a mid man
You're not the biggest deal here, but you take that as your responsibility for while you died nothing against them. Uh-huh. Yeah
That's a pro player right there, man. I should have dodged it. That's hype
All right
Gotta say ask you though in that second game
Did you guys feel like you might have any point gonna lose it because it certainly looked pretty rough
Especially with her own going up and fighting guys right in front of the fountain
I mean we're kind of like not in a good position like game to I feel like we are kind of give a lot of kill like early on like I know
We know like they are kind of like keep running on us because they have like monkey pangol and then like down because that have like early temple and then I
Mean we just bleed a lot and then but on the on the game
I feel like if we are somehow can make it like 40 minute game or like
50-minute game and then like the network looks even it we will win
eventually yeah and you guys definitely look like you were prepared for that the
draft reflected that of course and you made it happen so well done so next up
is ParaVision you were facing off against them are you excited about that
what do you think about their mid their mid I mean no one was probably like top
five like mid laner right now I feel like he's consistent and also he's
He's playing very good for this only.
But you did say was.
You said was top five.
Is that what I'm hearing right there then?
You did say middle.
He was top five.
No, he's the five.
Okay, okay.
No problem then.
No problem, absolutely respectful so much.
All right, thank you so much.
Congratulations where you can't wait to see that next game.
We'll see more from our panel coming up now.
Thank you, Swax.
I love how part of his interview technique
is trying to make nice people say horrible things
about other nice people.
I think he did misspeak, genuinely.
No one's like ranked 19 right now.
Like this guy is high on the leaderboards.
He's up there with like the young guys.
So I really, I do think Makoto actually respects him a lot.
Yeah, totally.
It's completely, I'm gonna say, obviously,
we've had a good look at Aurora now.
I mean, looking very, very strong.
And he's a big part of the reason, right?
I think, you know, moving forward,
you're talking about people having heroes
you don't wanna give to them.
I mean, his puck is insane.
His puck is insane, his ember spread is insane, his bow spread is insane, his tone spread,
all of this year is looking insane right now, I think he's just playing very well throughout
the tournament and obviously the second highest KDA in the group stage definitely shows that.
And yeah, they fixed their 2-1 series in the group stage, so they won 3-3s, right,
2-1 all of them, this time they went 2-0.
And the last point, Toby, go to break out.
The last point, very important.
Kari keeping up the low KDA stats in winning games. If you want to be a good position five,
run in there, feed your brains out, blame your cores, do the Kari.
Do the Kari, it works. Right, thanks a lot guys, been great hanging out. Obviously from us
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Hey everybody, we are testing the knowledge of our pro players about the last patch and
and I brought to you the biggest brain man I could find.
There wasn't a lot to choose from.
ATF, thank you so much for joining us.
Yes.
Yes, great.
We're gonna have a challenge for you today.
Three minutes to answer as many questions
about the patches possible you gotta try to guess me
as you can, right?
When it comes to patches,
is that something that you let the nerd like
how we do for you and then he just tells you
or do you buckle down and read that shit?
It used to be like I used to like,
I just like bring some chips and then I would like prepare myself like food as if I'm entering cinema.
Yeah.
And start reading the page like, no, no.
Nowadays I just come and like, I read and I'm like, oh, too boring.
Damn.
Well, that is not good for this challenge.
Let's see how well you do.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's start things off.
Get the popcorn ready, the snacks ready.
Which of the following neutral item enchantments are still in the game?
Is it boundless, vast, wise, or audacious?
Boundless.
Downless, that was very confident for an incorrect answer, but we'll take it audacious
I know I thought that it's very sad you and I are big
Someone should purchase why spammer you can't do that anymore
What's the following heroes did not have a game breaking bug?
Meepo Warlock Chen or Rubik only one warlock did have a game where it breaking but this rubik then yes
But you've already answered warlock. Okay
My producer is going to give you Rubik. He has an ATF stand.
Which of the following heroes did not have their base armor increased by one?
Terrible anti-mage, legion or death profit?
Literally taking no damage.
Nothing increased by one? I think it has to be legion?
That's right! The only person to get that one right? Well done. How'd you know?
Yeah, because it's on the facet. He lost the armor and he got like...
Ah, very wise.
...received one, changed through all of it.
Projectile, projectile.
projectile. Projectile, you're correct! I didn't even get to read this one, well done, it is just
a projectile, but which of the following spells does not have 10 bullet points of change information?
Is it elder dragon form, finger of death, tinker's deploy turns, or divided we stand,
aka what had the shortest description of those four?
10 bullet points of change, it has to be finger of death. You're right, holy shit! I don't
No one's got that one either.
Techies is now able to plant bombs mid-flight.
True or false?
True, true, true.
True.
Next.
Thank you very much.
Darkseer's vacuum was not modified this patch.
True or false?
Yes, true.
True.
No, once again modified.
What?
I wasn't wrong.
That's not me.
Sorry about that.
Which of the following heroes did not
receive a change in every single one of the patches?
Doom, Tiny Tinker, or Batrider?
Only one of these was not featured.
That is incorrect.
But I did like the confidence area.
It was bad, Ryder.
But that did receive a change.
But in all three.
Oh, fuck.
Going too quick.
Which of the following was not
a concentrated RAPS nerf cost?
Cost, cost.
Okay, got it.
Next.
Quick, quick, quick.
Pudge.
Pudge.
Fleshy was nerfed.
No, it was buffed.
It was buffed.
That is correct. Well done. 30 more seconds.
What is the active spell of metaphoric mandible called?
Bug out. Bug out. Bug out. No, it's not bugged out.
It's metamorphosis. Metamorphosis. Metamorphosis.
No, it's not that either. You keep getting excited.
It's pupate. It doesn't matter how excited you get.
It's pupate. I actually thought it was metamorphosis.
Pupate. It's very important to be the only thing lost.
Only one thing lost. True sight. What was it?
A neutral? A spell? A shop?
A neutral. A neutral. That's correct.
What was it? Book of the Dead. Book of the Dead.
Come on.
It's a false.
It's right.
That was probably the most questions we got through.
Not the highest correct one.
I think I did set you up one.
So I'll give you a 10 correct and a wrong three
because I did read a question incorrectly.
Stop asha on the things I take.
This.
Yes, I take this item a lot.
I never read it.
I'm not sure what it is.
I'm not sure what it is.
Yes, I take this item a lot. I remember it was fucking with the mofises.
Yeah, bug out was a different spell. I think it was someone's talent or something.
I think it was like a weaver thing.
Something was bug out.
It was tricky. If something was bug out with the next elimination point, but no, it is pupate.
So now you get to learn something new, and you're one of our top scorers.
Best of the best.
Cool. Thank you so much. We'll see you guys more at FBGO Volacius Season 8.
We'll see you next week.
Yeah, well, I guess season eight
continues with the upper bracket
in the second half of the date
is here, and that's why you see
me. I'm sure I'll take you
through this half of the day
together with the cost and T
gov. We got a lot to talk
about because our first series
here or third series overall
is going to be liquid down
because a little bit of a
Yeah, very fun between the two teams, always very technical, very like high skill, all the little intricacies in draft and play.
It is a treat to watch these two teams play against each other.
Yeah, they play against each other a lot.
They do, they do. In 2026 there was one team, don't want to spoil anything today until we show it on the screen.
Yeah, really ruined it yesterday.
But look at this one. It was Team Liquid who was victorious every single time so far in 2026.
because they have a lot of history between two of them and in 2024 team
Liquid ever atrocious against Falcons it was Falcons years from the start to
finish pretty much only winning one serious total but team Liquid they seem to
be doing better overall and Falcons they're still yet to you know decide
whether this is gonna be their year or no. Yeah they get pretty close in though
because we saw our grand finals in that as well and it went all the way to
game number five that must have been a good sign that Falcons. Yeah well
in between the two teams you had Liquid having growing pains with the roster
swaps at the start of this year and you had Falcons just in a major slump so it
kind of feels like we are kind of hitting both teams leveling up and I think
right now they are looking to be in pretty good form in the you know the TI
season around the corner so I think this will be like a really nice test
for both the teams. Yeah there's one asterisk we have to mention when we
were talking about Team Liquid though Lacoste. Yeah that's their position
I mean, Ekki looked really good, like we had an interview with him, kind of became a fan after the interview.
See how animated he is, how much energy he's putting into everything, even though he said it's super easy to show up.
But the things that I wanted to highlight is every single time this guy plays as a stand,
and if he's at the tournament, the most important thing for me, first of all, is Matt Pings.
Because Nightfall is in the tournament, he doesn't have the most Matt Pings,
because Nightfall he just does his own thing, he micromanages everything, but to be more serious
he's number one in assists averaging 17 assists per game and the number one in healing because if
you look at the heroes that he has been playing, he's playing Io, he's playing Keeper of the Light
and these are the type of heroes that he can go really greedy with, like if you look at the
atomization, kind of rushing the eggs after picking up Holy Locket on Wisp, this is something
that Nine Class as well does, just goes greedy and then on the Keeper of the Light from
from position four you have a lot of great scaling as well.
Yeah, you say that maybe the map being,
so he knows not as serious, but if you have a stand-in,
because I don't know how many maps he's got.
You're telling him to shut the hell up, you know.
I know your blades.
Yeah, yeah, you're not a...
Luckily, Ekki plays very kind of similar to Boxie,
where he wants to play into the map,
he wants to be the aggressor.
He doesn't care if he dies,
if the rest of his team can use it.
So I feel like just natural,
if you compare Ekki, Boxie together,
I think you're allowing him to do these map pings.
You're allowing him to explore the game
because he's kind of like a shadow of boxy,
but a copy of boxy.
That's a better way of phrasing it.
Okay, so not too annoying with the pings.
Because he did say in an interview
that he was very vocal,
and I guess that would be a good thing then
to communicate.
Yeah, I was thinking about you ping,
you got to say something.
Either it's good or bad,
this is how Dota players work.
It's actually 150 pings just on one player.
It's just when the game goes tough,
He's like really toxic, he's not toxic.
Do pinks on spells count?
It's mapping.
Yeah, that's even worse.
Out of position, you're out of position, you're out of position.
But you can also do a sonic wave, sonic wave, sonic wave.
Somebody should go 5D.
Alright, let's focus our attention on Team Liquid's opponents for today.
It is Falcons and I feel like Tiga Falcons has been doing very well.
you say they started in the slump at the start of this year, but this is a squad that
seemingly has gotten themselves together again.
No, yeah, for sure. I think the end of the last patch, they were kind of lost in the
source of all their heroes being popular. When the patch happened, I think they got
pretty happy with the fact that some of their heroes got nerfed and they got to
refine themselves. And yeah, I just feel like in general Falcons have just kind
of reinvented themselves. Even though we're seeing some of the same strategies
come to play. It is just, you know, a patch diff I think for the scene. Yeah, but they're
also playing some of the classics as well. The classics are kind of back during chances.
It looks good. The pango is good. They tried Timbersaw. It didn't work out for them. His
weaver is definitely back. Some of the position fours are also in meta. The ones that Crit
likes to play, he's been known to be like the best hoodwink player. Rubik is
back as well on top of that. So heroes that are kind of are known to the team
And it seems like they needed to make a couple of switcheros.
You know, Skeeter, he had to adapt from the carry role.
He's had to start playing Lone Druid,
something that he didn't play too much throughout his career.
Yeah, and it's always nice to, like, speculate about what the teams might do,
but, you know, we're pretty close to the players,
and sometimes, Tika, wouldn't you just want to ask?
Yeah, I thought I'd break the mold this time.
I decided last night, at midnight,
I saw him playing a pub, just a message of ma.
I thought, why do my own prep?
Let's just ask him ma himself.
So I was asking him, you know, please, give me, leak me some strategies and he said, you know, if I get bristle and tide, you know, if I don't get sorry, bristle and tide, I'll auto lose, you know, I'm bad at every other here, I can only win this, we're gonna ban slaughter 400%.
So I had to look at the stats of course. I needed to know, is he actually leaking strats or is he just pulling my leg at midnight?
And luckily, for the sake of our conversation, he is actually truly a two dimensional player, four games bristleback, 100% win rate, three games tide hunter, 100% win rate.
He cannot win an underlord Timbersaw and he was correct with Falcons.
They have played against Slardar one time and lost against it.
They've banned it six times and weirdly enough, three games it's been fully ignored by both
teams.
So they don't like playing Slardar, they can't beat Slardar and he gave me three accurate
bits of information.
Yeah, and I think those Slardar ignored drafts.
If we think five days ago, day one of the group stages, Falcons was the only one.
Because of this man right there, because of Amar, they let the Alchemist through because
everybody was so afraid of the Alchemist.
Amar is like, don't worry, I can beat Alk if I get tied on the lane.
And so we had drafts that were very different from any other drafts because we just had
Alchemist in first pick and the whole draft revolves around that.
Times changed, meta changes.
I don't think we're going to see Alchemist as much because it seems to be kind of
figured out here, Lacoste.
Anything in particular you think we will see because Slardar is going to get 100% banned.
What's the next one? We have the Alchemist, we have the Slardar, what's next?
Out of course, I would say I'm going to be leaning towards Tidehunter if possible.
Not just because he's going to be playing it on the other side as well.
Liquid would definitely want to get something good that is kind of that unkillable.
We had a graphic the other day also showing a bit of a statistic when it comes down to
to ace, like how effective he is when he's playing his blink initiators and when he doesn't
buy a blink dagger, so most of the time he wins when he doesn't buy a blink dagger.
He had some very interesting ideas, how to itemize with Bristleback as well, so this
year I was going to get highly contested, both of the teams do want to get the hands
on it, completely different than what Amar does, because he's building it with bongo
boots, he's trying to play slightly different, sure you're going to be getting Lotus
Or but he wants to be tanky like the way ace plays
He's collecting the information for the team and being that guy that kind of runs in and out multiple times
He was also playing the reason why he was going for bongo boots is that he was playing against a lot of slows
Then a man says like there's also it does give him a bit of a soft reset and then he could come back in again
Yeah
I just want to see ace look towards a hero that can play into the game and fight
I like seeing like in that the back ride is they just feel good when he's on them
because not only the scaling that you mentioned buying bongo boots and whatever
I feel like he's also enabling ecchi because like you know what ecchi and I can go do something or if ecchi wants to go kill elsewhere
You know ace will be staying so I feel like I I like seeing
You know ace on a hero that can at least join a couple more fights
I don't I'm not really a fan of like the underlords when sitting back and only hitting the creeps
I want to see him kind of introduce himself to to some of these earlier fights
Yeah, something that ecchi also talked about in an interview is you did mention Batrider
He also talked about the hero. I think this hero is going to be contested because they want to be running it as a core
He said I'm gonna make it work from position 4 because the hero is so good
This is his most played hero after all, but we've seen yesterday as well
It looked really good just going for like bloodstone rush
Crellos crows year as the like new type of a build she was guard
People are talking about going this giga build from the off lane
I don't necessarily need to buy auras so you can go with the different stuff
And this is the type of a stuff that I also want to be seeing from ace
I mean everything about liquids recent games are just like
Skirmishing pressure right when we look at their hero pulls like you are just seeing like eccy's picking up the eye
We're here in a boxy. He last played it in 2024
So it's not as if this was a liquid specialty in the last couple years
It's kind of eccy reintroducing it to the roster. You're talking about the bat rider
They're playing the nature's profit mid like they really are trying ways to overlap heroes
that is possible to break down your opponent. And historically, that is kind of the way to
beat Falcons. The hero that I'm missing from these ones is Queen of Pain. Are both teams
just not going for it or is he straight up game banned? They're playing at the 0% win
rate on Nisha and Malrin that went two out of three games on Queen of Pain. It's also
not like Malrin's most successful heroes because when I was checking the numbers
the other day, what he was been playing. Like, he was sitting at exactly 50% in a professional
career with Queen of Pain. This is not the hero that you do be like, oh, that's Maureen
Classic, you know, even though he's probably level 30, like he is on 15 different heroes.
But at least it goes back to the other way where I felt like when Nisha takes the
Queen of Pain for Liquid, when you look at Maureen's hero pool, he doesn't really
want to play the primal. The Sion King is a little weird. The Pango is weird.
Even the voice group, you could argue, can be a little bit awkward against it. So
I think Queen of Pain in general against Falcons kind of makes your draft quite nice
So we'll see if that is contested and Amar did not lie to me
400% banning slaughter it is the first ban in their draft
So thank you very much. I'll just get it out of the system
We've seen way too many good combos with the slaughter IOs, Kez, pretty much any carry that's gonna be right-clicking
TBs we've seen good amount of TBs as well and then they are gonna be removing IOs
So that's going to leave a lot of other good heroes in the pool, like Lone Druid,
the Batrider is still in, we saw a good amount of Phoenix as well, this hero has been like even Hoodwink.
I think that could potentially be a good opening for Falcons because of the break mechanic.
Tide is super popular, Berserlback is out, but having break mechanic feels really nice to have.
It's not a matter of like you're putting Ekky into like a very specific style of play, right?
He's only played five heroes so far in the tournament.
You've banned out the IO, if you pick the Hoodwink for crit,
Now you have a choice between Kotul, Rubik or Tusk.
Sure, he has other heroes to play like the Lion
and stuff that you've seen in qualifiers
for his other teams he's played for,
but you are kind of putting Eki into a,
that's like more, like a difficult position in the draft.
You're taking a little bit of time also
for the eventual pango ban.
With Beastmaster and the Bat now removed,
it means that the Queen of Pain is still in the pool
if they'd wanted to go for that.
That's typically a first phase ban,
Especially I don't know do we have to I don't think we have to mention alchemist in this draft anymore
But it still should be on the radar. Yeah, it might be here that we
We see I'm also wouldn't be shocked if we just it just gets ignored
I'd be happy to see that as well. I think teams have got to the point of truly understanding it
And we had during the patch when 7.41 dropped it was life stealer was the random first phase ban
I think people nowadays would be laughing at each other like we were banning life stealer really and now
I think Alchemist might become that hero, maybe in the next one.
I do really have to ban it.
It was good, but alas, it could do go for the loan to it.
So Tide is still available if they want to go straight away
for the Tide.
They have the pick out of phase, so they
could get hoodwing for themselves.
But Alchemist is going to be the option.
I want to see what Falcons are
going to be doing with that Alchemist,
because whenever playing against Spirit,
They did pick it two times and then win lose one game with it
And and they played it with hoodwink all of these like very good agonim scepter
That you can get like they had tight hunter
They had the primal beast from the mid lane which is the big one like if you get that this is the game that they
Completely stomp spirit. I mean it's kind of a an interesting position for liquid
Right because if they don't ban out the primals the tight hunters these big heroes
You could see a world of Falcons on their top found the only
So not the top the number 12 band. Yes, they ban Ursa insta pick then a primal or a tide on pick 13
Right, and there's like you already protected you get to reveal sure you're revealing double core, but it's very strong
The other option Falcons have is casually pick their their hood wink
They don't care the draft progresses liquid one reveal two heroes the liquid
They are respecting this potential like power play of locking in an offline instantly in the next phase
And they are getting rid of them because normally when you have like the last pick in the phase
He's like, you don't care too much about Tide as you can respond, right?
Uh-oh.
What's the problem?
Bristle and Tide out.
Yeah, statistically, Falcons have lost, yes, correct.
But our job is to try and make this sound a lot closer than it actually is, yeah.
Now the underdog story begins, you know, cue the Rocky music, a mark and do it.
He was playing, uh, yeah, you know, he was playing a Doom last night.
That's why I messaged him because I was like, hmm, I need to do my prep at one
in the morning, very healthy I know. You have to doom my prep. Exactly, thank you very much
for that one Locost and I don't expect to see it here in the Laundruid but just
for a random hero out there for no reason. Yeah we've seen different approaches to
Laundruid, the extra minus armor, having like Alchemist as well where
everybody's tanky enough so they don't die, supports that are very annoying and
we've seen like Crystal Maiden as a response, we saw Techies with the
if Razor was like slightly better hero that would be like Falcons probably go to against
Lone Druid as well. I think Razor is fine. I think he's okay but if we compare him to
the previous patch where he was Giga it's kind of hard to justify picking the Razor
but a lot of the other heroes as well got nerfed so maybe we could see it later down
the line and that hoodwing that we mentioned just too good of a hero right now because
of the like itemization. We've seen something similar yesterday when it was extreme gaming
playing against Laundroid, they picked up Tinker, they had Essence Distiller on hood wings so
you always see the barrier that does allow you to keep vision on him, keep hitting him
with another hero. So these two, they look pretty solid, like pretty solid opening from
Falcons. The main thing against Laundroid is always to have cheap reliable stuns against
them. A lot of the heroes you just mentioned want to do that. So that's exactly what
And I wasn't too much of a, at least when you were doing the hero breakdown, like what heroes I like to see from Aves?
Yeah, when you have a lone druid, I think that kind of instantly takes away my previous comments
because when you have a hero at bed that's making all these plays, you want quick ways to shove waves to utilize it.
So I like the endlodra.
This is a stupid statement if somebody told me like, yeah, a lone druid's gonna be like a playmaker.
You'd be like, what are you on about?
Like, you can do whatever you want with this hero, you have basically an Invis hero running
around the map.
Oh yeah, he's broken, of course.
The greatest thing with Loundrid, and why I always stand with the logic of the meta
is never defined and we just sometimes get too settled in it, is the change to Loundrid
in the patch was like nothing, right?
So it was possible to play this in the previous patch, right?
Technically.
So why did it take a patch where he gets one sentence for people to start looking at him?
That is the enjoyable thing. We could have been seeing this at many more tournaments.
And in Falcons they don't actually... And we would have nerfed it earlier. Yeah,
might be okay with that. Yeah, exactly. No, but the Rubik plus Underlord as a duo,
I really like a lot that there's been a lot of thinking coming probably into this tournament
as Meta developed how to be able to deal with this because Rubik is super strong as a
position four underlord as well even after the nerfs the hero still feels really good
so we saw like people not banning underlord we saw him open up on 13 completely ignoring it knowing
that the teams are not going to be picking underlord interrubic so they take both of them
and now they answer with the monkey king like they want to try to ruin this underlord but
this is a super strong lane especially at the early levels level three especially with the two
points in Firestorm and Pit of Malice and then you just keep them inside a pit,
Fade Bolt reducing the spell damage, reducing the physical damage, but where
are you gonna put the monkey because the alchemist going elsewhere? It could be
monkey off lane. This could be monkey off lane as well. This is something that
Amar did play previous like TI and maybe even before because he was really
trying to make this hero work and then nine class ruined it for him
because he was playing it as a position 4 and everybody started to ban that hero
but this is the hero that he wanted to play from the on-plane as well.
Liquid's line-up is, I can already envision it being so toxic where it's like you're holding
the high ground with fire, storm and fable, storm skipping waves, the bear's out doing his
silly things with agonins, even if you wanted to go rap you could then just twingate the bear
on top of the rats, right? You have like the AC build, boom boom boom epic late game,
like you're doing zero committal, you're literally just sending a bear for a portal
to do it all for you, right? Yeah, he pops a BKB and just kills your buildings. This might
actually be the strat. Liquid might be able to win this game by never actually fighting. It could
just be like wave shove, stand around. You have to get to that point though, so that's something
that Falcons supposedly should be getting ready for. For the sake of my enjoyment, I hope
they get to that point. It's going to be a lot of toxic rain. One team wants to fight in
the asset spray, then there's going to be Firestorm, Pit of Malice, Fadebolt on top of
that the other team has Vukong's command so quite a lot of teamfight coming out between
two of them and they will remove Techies. I still feel like Techies is such an underrated hero,
like I'm okay seeing Techies in every single game because I mean how strong the Thaser is.
Especially because I think maybe that's even an indicator that multi-team is going to the
off lane, right? A five position Techies having that disarm, I'm like I don't want this free
lane against me. That will then look towards other five position that can hurt a right-clicking
core like the venomous
This is something that you can't really like the venoplus laundry lane is just another level of toxic as well
Also, rich and quite a lot of toxic when you throw the shield on the bear you send them in
But if you're going that route against the alchemists, wouldn't you want the naeas?
Or there's a lot there's a lot of
Yeah, it's not no I wouldn't I just feel like with how liquid is drafting
You know, often when you do this it does actually happen, but I personally don't want to see AA.
I want the Venom answers, I want like the Grimstroke, the Lich, the lane combination to make the bear feel like he can kill and chase in the lane, and then play through the lane.
They have a lot of good options, unlike what you didn't mention, like Venom, Grimstroke, Lich, maybe throwing Silencer into the mix as well.
It's not like the best laning partner with Laundroid compared to the others, but it's very good against resetting the fight, especially Monkey, Pre-B, BKB, Phoenix as well.
On the side of Falcons, do we feel like they have enough strong ag carriers for the Alchemist farm for?
At the moment, I see no ag carrier. Monkey King can get one, but you want to have a couple right-click items, BKB,
and often carry Monkey King to think about it as a third, fourth item.
So to me right now, there is no clear ag user, but this could be the argument that Falcons are opting to play the old-school outcry.
We'll go for Radiance, Blink Orchid, we'll jump the storm with the Orchid timing, Kill, Kill, Kill, Nisha can't play the game
and then by that point, Monkey has items, you then give him like an axe 25 minutes into the game rather than 14 minutes into the game
but that for sure is something to consider and you can see from the Bands of Liquid they are just assuming that the Monkey King is going to be into the offlane as they ban the double mids
And they've done the sign it so so they are respecting just the idea of what
Liquid can do like imagine trying to fight liquid they press global
You don't win the fight then they shove waves laundry than ever to be gets online
I feel like it would liquids lineup with discipline. You can still be down like 15,000 gold. Yeah, and fine
Yeah in this game it seems like very
Easy way of also coming back into the game, but it's also a very good lineup to play from ahead
okay so another way of dispelling things they removed the taser from the
equation but this is also good just being able to like you don't care too much
about Phoenix it's very good in the lane against monkey king so I believe you
can now yeah okay cool you're also real shame they don't have the base attack
time acts right they got changed to the random token thing that all you would
want to have like 7.4 oracle in this draft he rushes ag with the twin gate of
underlord blow drew beggars so I'm really on this idea no outside of that it
is just a the way that falcons kill a hero it's very single target you have
to blow them up or I want to see some jump maybe void spirit or something
that can just get into backlines I was thinking about yeah he can I was
thinking maybe more of his axe is more valuable against the supports where you
can silence the Oracle, play against Rubik as well. You have the real good
follow-up coming up from the Monkey King as well, but they go with the Primal
Beast, which was a good timing. We talked about it when they played it against
Team Spirit. He was the one that got first Agatham set to, I assume Monkey King
wants to be the second one as well. He wants to be having that extra bit of
scaling, but I'm kind of digging a team Liquid's draft. I feel like this draft just screams...
We can play the game at any time, and as you mentioned, T, we always have something to do on
the map with the heroes that we have. It's pretty much on Falcons to truly break the map
when they need to. When they get that second Aegis potentially, it's like, we are going to win
the game right now. You cannot allow Liquid to get onto the map to make that.
Ages or Ags?
Ages.
OK.
But for Falcons as well, last time
Amar actually played it was when he stood in the Submarine
in the online tournament.
He played the Offlane Monkey King.
He went to Diffusal Blade, BKB.
So we do actually have some recent knowledge
of his itemization.
The question is, how good is he playing?
He's playing into an Oracle that can dispel his Gingus.
What's his major game plan?
I think if Amar falls short, we
might not see this big, decisive aggression.
So, favoring Liquid a little bit, despite the Alchemist.
I feel like the Alchemist is addressed like,
is it a non-factor here or just, you know,
a decent hero but nothing outstanding?
I favor Liquid for the idea that draft,
but I can see them running into damage problems
if Falcons do get online.
Like, they can get quite, you know, quite tanky.
Quite scary that way.
Yeah, it could be, but I'm just really liking
this green medicine draft from Liquid.
Malrin also don't underestimate this guy
coming out from the mid primal beast and Amar from the off lane I want to see
like how much he's gonna be able to get from this lane because this seems to be
something that they believe it's good because they saw the long druid they knew
exactly what they're gonna be picking. And you can pick up the bear if you're
primal. Yeah you can pick up anything. Yeah anything? Yeah primal can. I can add the primal can.
Yeah that's a graphic. 7.42 let's add that to the game. Because the overall first
I expected Liquid went for is the long druid. So you'd wonder like is it countered because we've seen on druid being
Very difficult to deal with for some teams in oracles. They're always in the back line to keep this barrel live if he needs to
I'm also watching what Mulreen is typing is like mercy on the lane, please
Against the storm spirits. So want to see how much he's gonna be able to get that make us it was make it
Reflecting the most monkey king
All right, we're going to find out what's happening in this game.
At first, we're going to check in with coach and slacks.
That's right.
I am here with Ali 2000.
How are we so good to see you?
I've been doing some research.
I think this might be your first interview of 2026.
Yes or no?
Yeah, maybe we keep losing.
I don't know if we won any playoff games.
So yeah, that's not what I was going to say that for.
Sorry, I was looking for the nice Ali 2000 medium thread.
I don't know what happened to those.
You haven't done a medium since 2025.
Oh, like the blog blog.
Where's the alley blonde dude? I'm just lazy. I don't know shame shame. Well, you know what you were also lazy on this draft
We saw some uh, it loan drew an alchemist heroes
We keep seeing over and over again
But I have to imagine that this was a very unique draft
Knowing what they were gonna pick very standardized heroes. Am I right on that?
Yeah, it's a bit of like a meta draft because like they don't really play alchemists and then they think underlord and
Loan jitter both broken and we won't try to beat it
So it's just like a weird thing where we're not too sure on the meta to tournament
So we have to sort of figure it out in this match
Yeah, we definitely saw a lot of the old heroes that were spammed constantly in the group stage now things are changing a little bit
But we're sticking to some guns really want to talk to you about ATF monkey King offline. What is the deal with this?
What's the thought process?
Honestly, we're not too sure about the lane like the first couple levels
But in theory like monkeys supposed to be decent versus longer because you can get the jingle socks off the bear
And then you have like eventual pressure on the lane
And Amar for some reason sometimes he just has like these random heroes with like almost level 30 and monkeys one of them
So we thought it'd be a good flex for this match. Well, thank you for such a great answer
All right
Well, it looks like the game is starting so we only have one question left
This one's out there for all the outweigh fans the climate change deniers. What do you have to say to them?
Keep doing your thing. All right. Keep on believing boys. Thank you
Thank you very much Slax and AOI 2000. Team Falcons versus Team Liquid and Liz, one of
the things we heard from Aoi was about this Monkey King. You were talking about it in the
lane, but throughout the game we've seen a lot of teams try to find different answers
to this lone druid. Will Monkey be able to hunt him down in the trees, catch him out
while he's doing that annoying thing of just farming on the side of the map?
Yeah, we have seen a lot of different teams try different ways of dealing with the
Druid and with a bear, most of the answers were focused on the bear, like yesterday we
saw nothing to say with a tinker. Usually it doesn't work. Let's see, maybe the monkey
king is the way of searching for the druid himself while he's farming. If you get a couple
of items on the monkey king you can jump across the trees, get perhaps where the
druid is farming.
Let's see if I'm not gonna accomplish that, 8 and 2 so far.
In the lane should be, what do you think about this lane?
We'll talk about it in a second at the bottom.
Snakey falling very low, but Skeela will throw out the concoction onto Ace, and the Lord able
to shake it off in the end.
I think we have pretty cool lanes on both sides when it comes to volatility.
I think there isn't like a clear side that has some kill potential on one side
or the other.
Oracle, not a hero tree, really see very often.
spirit of Insania coming to play for Liquid once again. We'll see just how much he can
do in the lane. He can burst quite a lot with Purifying Flames of course, but he can also
dispel the Jingu stacks with the Q. So, might be good enough to deal with the Monkey King.
You see how it goes as time goes on for now. Amoncret just contends to keep farming
here. First game for Oracle at this tournament for Topu. I mean he only recently made
the switch to 5 so I doubt there's a lot of tape that he's had on Oracle but I
guarantee when he joins Team Liquid, part of the contract they like go train Oracle
for a lot of practice. Oracle, Karel, all the Insania heroes, you gotta practice
them, play them. Yeah, let's see. When he just joined of course he played a lot
of position 4s from 5 and that's when they looked the best, right? Whenever
they were playing these Weaver 5s, Path 5s, these kind of heroes they
They looked like on a completely different level, but I feel like he found his stride.
Talk to me about this primal.
Do you have a concern about the primal beast?
Prior to him having DKB, this feels like a pretty hard game for the primal.
Can have the pulverized spell, there's roots to worry about.
Can get telekinesis during the onslaught.
It's not an easy game.
And that's why he wrote Mercy, please, as the game was starting.
You're playing into a storm spirit.
The lane itself is first and foremost not too simple.
I think they kind of had them in a really good spot when it comes to the drafts,
banning out Qop and Puck, picking up Storm, knowing what Malrin likes to play.
There aren't many heroes that were left in the pool that were good against Storm.
There's like primal Sand King that he's been playing this tournament,
and both are integrated into the Storm Spirit.
Well, so far the very chilled passive early game everybody's dressed.
It was a farming game.
Between the HP pools, outside of that small little scummage that we saw at the bottom,
everybody has just been contained to hit creeps?
When you look at the heroes and their power spikes, they might come a little bit later.
You need a couple of level 3s, at least before a kill is possible.
Like I mentioned, the one on Oracle, but of course, across the map, everyone scales very well with it.
When it comes to the Nuke spells, the level 2 Fatebolt, the level 2 Fire Spirits,
as well with a level 2 bushback. So we might possibly see a first blood coming our way soon.
What are the spells that Rubik wants this game? Like you know sometimes you have these games where
everything you get is just s-t-y or incredible. Well I feel like there's a lot of small
spells that are good for him this game. You can also steal pulverize by the way which is
pretty good but when it comes to like one spell that you want to get I don't see
bushwhack is probably the easiest to steal and the easiest one to cast all the
time any of the Phoenix spells are okay but nothing to write home about right
you get fire spirits whatever you're Phoenix he's caught inside right now the
pit of malice get telekinesis rooted back into it will be double rooted
right-click down and Echie draw the first blood on his Rubik.
I guess the first blood and this lane of Underlord and Rubik is pretty cool.
Underlord, like we have seen him in a lot of games but a lot of teams aren't
actually abusing the Pit of Malice early on. A lot of teams are actually, well a lot of
offlaners are foregoing the Pit of Malice altogether. But when you have heroes like Rubik,
Dark Willow, Hoodman Keven, you use Pit of Malice, you let the root go through and then
Then you follow up with another lift into the road.
Mettledaw snaking respawns, you immediately head towards this lane to try to kill off Nisha,
but unfortunately Liquid were ready with the response.
Both supports are here for them, they kill off Malrin, lifting back snaking, he will
survive.
But they lost out due to the numerical disadvantage, nice response from Team Liquid.
Just an illusion rune for the Storm Spirit, but still the refill is there, the kill
is there, level advantage.
They're not gone yet, snaking might actually get caught out here
He will move forward, but he gets catches a sliver of vision on Oracle, so he's gonna be fine
Hey, it looks like they will actually start pressuring the alchemist. They don't really fear the top lane anymore for a K
There's a pressure coming in first pit of malice and the canesas back in
They gonna keep him there and he's trying to do the damage
Doesn't want to run under the tower so Ekki will just zap him with the fade bolt
Look at the druid as well being here
Okay, so Mickey perhaps recognizing the top lane is after all dangerous
Playing into hoodwink and monkey king like they do have a lot of offensive offensive potential
So instead rotating down bottom to farm behind the tower for now
Long dreadman
Long dread long dread long dread
Snakey
Quake it again in the pit of malice now
What is starting to abuse the combination of the Pit of Malus plus the Root, because they have Telekinesis and they have the Root from the Fortune's End of Tofu?
A really good start for the Underlord. We've seen a lot of games recently where Underlord really didn't shine.
His laning stage was way too difficult, he had to itemize completely for himself.
Not speaking of liquids, Underlord, just in general.
But this is already a very good start for Ace.
Wonder what build he's going to go for this game.
Crimson could be decent.
Pipe of inside not that great.
I think actually even just Aghanim is eventually is really good on him this game.
They have catch, but having some extra roots from behind with the old team, it can come in handy.
A-Toss by the way is the item that he has queued up, so already wants to double down on the catch.
Guess you're playing as a Prangler and Monkey King. You want as many roots as you can possibly.
Speaking of monkey, he's getting ganked right now. They're coming from the mid lane team.
They're going to be smoked up with the mid, the Storm Spirit and the two supports.
Amar is going to try and get himself out high day as a tree right now.
They're going to see him, Becky isolates him, lifts him back in towards Nisha.
There's a fortune and pure fine flames, not even necessary.
Just kill him off with the right clicks.
Not super enjoyable to play versus all the nukes that they have on the other side as monkey
and they have catch.
They have multiple ways of catching him through the trees, right?
The roots from Pit of Malice and Storm Spirit.
Oh, now what?
He's going to get ignored for now because they're looking towards Crit.
He does throw the push right back onto Nisha, but Nisha has enough mana to still zip on top
of him, dragging back Eki.
Long range Fade Bolt, level 3 already.
I'm a killing spree on this route.
Level 5, Riverkeep took a lot of kills down bottom by the way, so definitely does
help.
Fade Bolt is one of the best kill securing spells.
You know, Ma is returned into the fray right now, and Mal'Reen is gonna come over as well, but
Amar is in trouble, he tried to activate the Wukong's command, but they tracked him out of it.
Do they have the damage to kill him? They do not.
Mal'Reen will interrupt it with the pulverize on the back lines, finding and killing Tofu.
He arrived just in time. If he's two or three seconds later, Amar probably dies there.
Yeah, they overstayed their welcome a little bit.
I think they got baited by the Jingu stack purge from Oracle.
Something that we mentioned earlier, like you can always spell it this early on in the game, so
They thought they had a monkey. They didn't in the end
the team fight from Falcons is actually pretty sick when you
Combine the primal beast and the egg maybe even some Wukong's command over all of that
Does the monkey just build us like he's playing carry I see he's going for eco-saber diffusal
There's no other build. I mean there is a different build of a carry mode, but you always go carry
More or less carry mode
Even in front of me came right now they all gonna come through with the underlord the gate has been opened
But unfortunately they're now re-encharged directly onto the lone druid. They bring him down now
Ace is regretting having made the trip to the top lane Amar's will chase them onto the high ground activates the Jingu getting the
ice deal, Ace does not have enough damage to kill him, gets pulverized, but they're also
running out of damage in their own right.
Maureen being left behind, he's out of mana, doesn't have a TP, will try to use it, Ekkises
absolutely not, lifts him up, they will hold him in position and they should kill
off this Prime.
I think they're still pressuring the long route really well and they're alleviating
any pressure from Alchemist at the same time, so yeah sure, you lose the Prime
but you get the loan through it and no one is even, I forgot an alchemist is in the game by the way,
he's just chilling down bottom.
The fact that game yesterday where Vith was just like quiet, doing absolutely nothing hidden in the jungle for like 20 minutes.
It's every carry's dream, right? He's sitting on 3.3k gold, 100 gold away from sacred relic,
radiance is coming up and I really like the fact that they took something that can use the agonies.
These four heroes that they had, Arkhan is included, before the primal beast, like every single Arkhan is more or less irrelevant.
But the one on primal, it changes things.
Also having a break into an Underlord, a necessary thing to have in the game.
Can you break Arkhan's supremacy?
I think so.
Yeah, you can.
You can
You should be able to right?
Yeah you can, I mean not really a thing that you usually think about, or think of, but
not the worst thing to break I suppose
12 minutes then, let's see who's going to get lucky with these runes at the mall, just keeping up the farm
I haven't been able to completely remove the tower but I think one more solid push should be able to take the tier one
Storm has arcane rune and shield rune
And he just picked up a Kaia as well. So he's definitely ready to go.
Unfortunately for him, Falcons seem to have awareness of this fact, and they're playing very carefully.
No one is going to show around this nickname.
Nisha though will still zip up top, just as Crit wonders by him.
Everybody will live.
They kind of anticipated this, right? Like you didn't get the room storm.
It's not showing more or less.
No one is pressuring mid. Now they are.
So they didn't have a lot of info but they go quick for reveal himself China bush wacky misses onto a key that allows me
Sure to find him in the trees
Bring and zap him down a key. Unfortunately fade bottles on cooldown so you couldn't steal that kill
Mara does manage to finish off that tower in the top side of the map
Despite all those crazy movement that was happening from team liquid things have slowed down a little bit Falcons have been dodging
quite well they have been they have a full radiance now the outcome is the
refusal on the monkey king like they're playing the map very nicely a lot of
stacks have been given to the primal beast as well and they're waiting their
timing the timing is the blink on primal with the blink at least you can start
things off the way you want oh that was so sick the underlord ultimate to
Break the tree the monkey king was sitting on, oh ok that deserves a tip, I want to tip him too, that was so nice.
It's the perfect play, perfect usage of the ulti, they had the ward right, the ward that scouted out the movement.
Kudo's top 4 of course as well, you tip your support for the vision as you always should but very nicely done.
If you want more you can't even matter that play, you're like yeah ok, Dota 2 is a cool game, sometimes it goes against you.
If you know that it was on purpose, which in this case of course it was, sometimes it just happens.
But okay, so no global presence anymore from Team Liquid, they cannot use the Underlord Ulti for the next fight.
And at the same time, Primal Beast just completed his blink, so I expect the smoke to perhaps happen if they have one.
Uses it on himself.
See where they are able to get to. Unfortunately they don't necessarily have the greatest
walls on the other side of the map.
Well, Misha picks up at Invis' Rune as well.
Don't draw it though. He might be a little bit isolated here, but no, Team Liquid.
They're gonna stick around, play very close together.
Oh, as they start leaving though, now Miki is gonna be vulnerable.
Amar will be able to spot him with Mal-Reen jumping forward. They go with the trample.
Who comes immediately?
And Micky, super super super dead.
They didn't anticipate the move on the Longdroid.
They were sitting with supports behind the Storm Spirit.
Oracle, it's all about...
It's in the name.
You have to pretty much know who's going to get going on.
And because Storm was showing on the map, they expected the move to be on Storm.
But Longdroid perhaps being a little bit too out there in the jungle.
It's these camps right next to the defenders gate where you farm, but okay
gets punished this time
Still making decent inroads at his farm like he lowest of the net worth course
But he does have that maelstrom and we've seen just how quickly that can change on bottom
A lot of ATOS gets revealed onto snaking
They don't manage to keep him within the pit of malice. He does leap away
Becky wanting to chase fate box is available if he just gets a little bit of vision
You could find this kill, but he's off-map, teepees out, snaking slime.
The essence of the stiller didn't connect.
If it did, of course, that's insta-kill, top lane monkey.
Okay, drag back in by Nisha, and there we go, another fiends gate opening up.
They're gonna bring in the reinforcements, and our mark cannot get himself out of your
ace with a final swipe of...
What is this weapon actually?
I have no idea.
Well, whatever it is, it gets the kill on the monkey.
Some sort...
It's not a sight.
What a polearm, I don't know. It's a blade, like Demon Hunter's blade, right? Something like that.
Yeah, we need all the people who play like dogs, they'll probably be able to tell us what this is.
It hurts, in any case. He's sitting on plus 200 damage after getting a kill.
You went for the shot first, okay. One minute faster than previous, he decided that you know what, I can use this right now.
Get involved, get the extra damage.
It's pretty cool when you have heroes like Storm.
You can just put it on him, he jumps in, a lot of damage instantly from the firestorm.
Misha, jumping onto Crit, Crit's gonna die here. This is so unfortunate.
Him and Mal'Reen were literally sitting in the wings, hoping that the lone druid would show on the lane.
They were there for like 10-15 seconds.
Kind of sad that the moment Mal'Reen leaves is when everybody else shows up.
Maybe for the best for him.
But, yeah, this essence distiller, by the way, is going to do a lot of work in this game for Rubik.
So far, he's been basically on point every single time.
Just gives a lot of vision, right?
It's really good versus elusive heroes when you think about it.
Not only invisible heroes.
And then Hoodwing, Monkey King, Phoenix, like all heroes that want to play the outskirts of the fights early on
or try to use their mobility to escape.
You can't escape from Storm if he has full vision on you.
Yeah
Marine does have an aggitin septum now the investment in Skeeter has paid off and now we sure are zips away
They're gonna look through those with a pulverize. He's not gonna be able to grab a telekinesis was there before his spell merged
Now they've even brought in the loan droid to the smith lane. Oh, I'm off yet again
Oh, no, it happened again. He's she got cut once more by the underlord with the scheme's gate
Amal's gonna end up falling. Now Rain does manage to demolish the supports on the back lines
blinking in throwing up the uproar. So it's a 2 for 1 exchange here.
And just very quickly he jumped the back lines gets gets rewarded with dd rune as well
But damn are they killing monkey king 24-7
The way he's dying is way too simple. I mean it looks simple, but it's not easy. Underworld is always on point with the fiends gate
Which is why, by the way, Monkey has queued up a BKB, so that will be the next item.
And maybe that's one of the differences between an offlane Monkey and your general position 2 or 1 Monkey King.
At some point you have to be at least some sort of a frontliner, right?
Like your teams, you need to contribute in that way as well, and BKB will be the item for him.
Nisha, is it for what again?
He's making... he's fine, he's out of the range.
I might even see them decide to smoke up again here.
And they're making sure that Tofu is never far away from Nisha.
These two are just holding hands, like he's playing IO or something.
Pretty much. But that's the job of the Oracle.
Like, some heroes you can play the map, you can be a bit more active like Rubik.
Perhaps farm a little bit with Fadebolt, with whatever spell you've got.
As Oracle, you just have to hug one of the cores and that's it.
And it also tells you like who they find to be the most important core in the game right now for them, which is kind of true.
Alri, finding Nisha, Pomerize will be there, but the Oracle, will be able to bail him out, false promise also goes out onto the Rubik.
Unfortunately, that does leave Tofu a little bit vulnerable. He will end up dead.
Rubik with the stolen stun, throws it onto Ekky, onto Malrin, but he just did this to buy space,
opened the opportunity for the Storm Spirit to escape.
This could be a 3-1 tower perhaps as well, let's see if they pressure it, 20 seconds without the supports.
Storm was a little bit too far out there, that was an issue here, like the two supports, Rubik and Oracle,
absolutely despised having to go next to the high ground when your core is caught there, right?
because they just expose themselves.
Currently, they don't have any mobility items.
Oracle, Rubik, both work really well with blinks, with glimmers.
But of course, 20 minutes in when they bought a lot of small items,
they don't have any of those.
You know, those were the first five we saw a Skeeter show up.
We showed Team Liquid a lot. Oh yeah, by the way, guys,
there's an Alchemist in this game. We've got to deal with this at some point.
I guess it's...
When you think about it, I guess this is...
which is something that Awi also mentioned.
This is like a battle of ideas, both teams just executing two different strats, which are super meta.
It's just a clash of ideas. Let's see which one is stronger.
Nolondryd or the Alchemist, complain, ace.
Will he use the Aghanim Scepter to go in for the fiend's gate?
They find the Alchemist all by his lonesome.
Perfect timing, because the rest of the squad is down bottom.
There's no way Skeeter will be able to survive this.
He goes down.
Yeah, Mars able to steal their shrine on the other side, but...
You need more out of this. They might get the underlords here.
Drop shooter just to make sure that they break the Atrofeora.
You do get the kill.
So 1-1 trade, but losing Alchemist is not just a goal you lose, it's the time you're not farming on that hero.
There's like the other side of the coin. He farms so quickly that it's whatever.
The moment he respawns, he will continue getting towards his BKB, but of course you're absolutely right.
Underlord, by the way, on
similar lining for him is even though he did die, he did complete his aggro-acceptor, so
Nothing of huge value was lost for him
Then the stormtor is taking a while
It's making hiking really tight here. Oh, man. I know heroic is not in this game, but we're in King Jungle Zeus
One of the best things after the tourney is that especially in this patch by the way because
you can expect at least a couple of heroes to be really low when Torm dies.
Speaking of shards by the way and Tormenter really good shards on Rating.
Like every single hero the shard is good on so a lot of value in the Tormenter.
We have this BKB now for Amar, hanging towards an Echo Saber next.
We'll also be able to scale and damage as this game progresses.
And I guess it's also very annoying for these support heroes, losing mana and not being
able to cause like a false promise that the very end of the fight can be a pretty big
deal.
Right, it can be.
It's all about the positioning for them.
They have to find the right items, the right positioning in fights, but I feel
I feel like when I look at this game, are we going to get any real fair fights?
Because Laundryd is getting really close to his agonist.
And how does a Laundryd with agonist play?
It's only the bear on the other side with Silver Edge hunting targets.
And if you think about it, he's not going to be alone.
There's always the Underlord with the ulti or the Storm Spirit to follow through.
So I feel like they have cooked something up with the Laundryd.
It's not only about him
We'll see now a smoke
Storm with his his posse his henchmen on a yet another mission
Unfortunately, nobody will be around for this
Alchins are gearing up for a smoke of their own so they actually want to play aggressively
They might meet in the middle here if they decide to retreat from Team Liquid
But they bring up the high ground potentially. They have their BKBs. It's upper monkey. It's upper alchemist
Monkey
The world bounce around. Ace is the one that's in front of them, but Ace is also very close to the rest of his team.
Let's see how this happens with Anthold.
Amar makes the initial jump, inhibits out onto Ace, beautiful pit of Malice.
He will pop the Wukong's command, rush him through with the Anthloth, pulverize as well, but he's still alive, and there's the false promise from Topu.
He'll sacrifice his life to keep Ace living a little while longer. Can Ace get the TP out? He can.
The bear just showed up. Aghanim's just completed.
and they might be able to kill the bear though unfortunately no way out of that
one and Joku does end up failing in his attempt to save ace because ace pops in
the fountain anyway. They both died in the end and you lose the spirit bear even
though the way Tofu played was commendable on the Oracle considering that
he doesn't truly have Storm is fine that he doesn't truly have a lot of
items to work with like he wasn't afraid he just used Bates Edict and
and waited. Waited for like a long time before actually popping his ulti on the underworld.
Gonna buy a blink dagger on tofu now so positioning will be a lot better. Won't be as easy to just
catch him off and kill him like that. Yeah it makes the game easier for him but to me Falcons are
in an easier space right now to play the game. I feel like this is the part of the game where
where their line up kinda comes together.
They have the Aghanim Scepters, they have the BKBs, the Blinks.
On the other side, the bear is, he can fight,
but he's not ready yet.
There's a lot of items that you need on the Loan Dread
before he truly comes online.
These, that he has queued up,
of course being some of them, BKB as well,
will be probably necessary at some point.
You see a mass movement front
seem liquid through the gates.
It doesn't seem like they're setting up anything in particular.
They will be scouted by an Observer Ward, so if I can snow exactly what's up.
Into the pit by the way, is it?
No?
It seemed like it.
That's one of the things that you can do when you feel that your power spike is there.
Just force a fight around the pit.
or now they're not really willing to commit.
Whenever Falcons and Liquid play,
always end up being this cerebral mid-game where,
you know, it's mostly about positioning,
one team will move this side,
Falcons can sense it, they're like,
okay, guys, now we have to sweep towards bottom,
then Liquid senses it, okay, guys,
now let's gather up around middle.
There's many games I've seen
if you need to where there's like four, five minutes
where nobody's fighting at all, just moving.
Yeah, you can be cerebral.
All you want to, if the bear is sitting your towers,
You'll have to go back and defend.
Maybe a little bit of a miss timing, I feel like for Falcons there to just commit into the pit before the bear actually pushes in.
Let me get himself pulverized here. They do get the telekinesis out onto Mal-Rin.
They're even away from the Storm Spirit. Amar trying to break the fight in half.
The Patsushite of the Hukongs come on up against it.
Does have the BKB active though and it will expire so you want to retreat.
Skidder also showing up but he gets caught with the Fortune's End, he gets held in place,
now Reinstall able to jump in onto Ekki, and stable concoction, the Sharpshooter finally
with the Pound Strike, they kill off the Rubik.
Mikkei, okay, manages to get away his ball with the bear.
Maybe the tip was a little bit too soon from the Rubik because of the BKB usage and just
being unable to convert, in the end they do get the Rubik.
not going into the pit just yet I think we're coming bottom to hopefully catch
out the spirit bear here Amar chasing it down inhibit will go out okay we'll
not be able to get this bear away he does have the savage role but Skeeter
and Malereen willing to commit spells okay now that the bear is done what do
we do do we go try to push a towel do we try to go into ocean slow down
instantly raise one of course let's see I think the plan was to go into the
pit in the first place but bears just showed up in the lane and they dealt with him first so yeah
they convert back into the pit one thing that's kind of scary for me when it comes to liquid is
the extreme lack of damage that they had in that last engagement like they actually did try going
with primal beast at least a little bit he lost nothing like his hp bar was 100 percent
Also about the support right? Comparing and contrasting the damage up would have a hoodwink to a rubik
Maybe if you if you compare the two with with an oracle oracle is literally zero damage and fights
It's all about the saves rubik on the other side. Okay, he can be you know
Kind of scary if he spills steals the right spells
We used to get a sharp shooter somehow
Not the hardest as well to steal even though when you use sharp shooter
you can still use bush back while channeling and they crush shot.
Crit is a master at both rubik and the hoodwink so he'll know this and utilize his spells
accordingly.
There's a BKB up now for ace.
So when do you think liquid will be the one that decide right guys let's go try and
make something happen on the map.
Never.
They still have just have to wait until loan druid is six-otted.
Never.
Never.
They have an extra hero on the map.
They are here to just farm, rat, and play around the Spirit Bear.
I truly think that the general idea around this lineup is for bears to drive them mad.
And I think that's literally what's happening in every single game.
LoneDrew is just driving people crazy.
He rats and then he starts solo picking off your supports.
Palkens smoked up a game with 3, trying to play aggressively here but as usual liquid
We'll dodge, Ekki's already working back up onto the high ground,
Andolot is chilling in front of the defenders' gates.
Tofu might be the one that gets caught out here, but...
That's Blink.
That's Blink, Nisha's nearby him as well, so another smoke from Falcon's not gonna find
a Nintendo target.
If you want to find them, you need to go literally next to the defenders' gates,
because that's where they're farming.
The Druid, of course, with the bear, is pushing at top.
Even though you don't see the bear in the lane, what he's doing and what every laundry
does is he just casts Mjolnir on the creep every single time, so the lane naturally pushes
in.
Look at this.
Basically first item like near coming in from Crit wants to be able to get some additional
control and catch for his squad.
A bit of an old school build on the footring crank, like not as popular anymore
since the build up has been changed.
Skeeter, is that enough?
Just like you know what, let's just hop through here.
Oh, on the other side of the map though, Ace will activate the ultimate.
They're going towards Snakey and can they kill him before he eggs?
They can, but I don't think he wanted to egg anyway.
Not really a great place to do so. Rubik, maybe?
Rubik?
He's in danger.
Poverize out on top of him.
The trample comes through as well, but the force promised from Tofu.
Ensures that this Rubik keeps living.
He even stole Oslo.
Unfortunately, as the spirit there comes back,
now Reem finds out that he cannot go anywhere.
Even Ace, happy to commit the full pit of Malice.
And that is Primal Beast gone.
Hamar coming across Nisha elsewhere on the map.
Nisha feels like he can actually solo him right now.
But he cannot because he's not alone.
Skeeter comes in to help his ally.
There's going to be the Glythe, you know, into the bush.
Where can they bring down Nisha?
Sharpshooter provides the damage.
Nisha overplays his hand a little bit and gets punished.
They were starting to...
Oh, hey, Mikkei, what the hell?
Yeah, dude.
Mm-hmm.
Wow
Well, we'll see if they can at least well punished by killing off the bear here like here
Make sure that it cannot escape and they do have the damage
But Skeeter will not be happy about having to give up the ages so cheaply
They pinged out your color as well. He blinks
Quickly backwards and the lift as well was used
Master chasing though on them. Yeah might go in
There's gonna be the boundless track onto rubik unstable concoction thrown on to two fools
So both of them are gonna end up dead
The reach of this monkey king really cannot be underestimated.
Save your friend syndrome actually kicking in right there.
Oracle taught about saving the bear, couldn't.
Rubik taught about saving the Oracle, couldn't. All three of them die in the end.
But you could see the general idea that liquid have got with
the line under the rocking, right? Just bounce on the bottom
then just completely fight on a different side of the map because of the
fiends gate, the bear is everywhere
as well huge mobility
They are right now being scouted they pop the dust on a mar
So make it probably gonna end up using this there at the same time though
The egg is popped as Misha jumped in was hoping to maybe force a fight by killing off a snaking but the egg came first
Ace doesn't even bother going through the fiends gate at that point
You're not too bad right like you you do force out an egg at least but
How's the cooldown stat soon? The bear 15 seconds.
Killing a resummoned bear hurts.
At least killing the first one, whatever.
The resummon, if he doesn't have the bear instantly online, it does slow things down.
It's not even about the farm.
It's just the fact that Lone Druid isn't on the map.
The bear isn't pushing in.
Falcon, now commander, 7k gold lead.
I'm just gonna be pressuring the tier 2 tower in the top lane.
Should be able to grab it.
We now does the Bay re-summon come back for the laundry it in Nisha. I think he still wants another defensive item
He has the PKB once the Lincoln sphere as well
Cannot afford to be pulverized in these engagements
There's an abyssal as well now chemist by the way, so a
Lot of offensive items coming through for Falcons
We shall break the smokes either the slow play up on the high ground
He goes aggressively forward can't find a stun the will stop stun himself
So this could be a dangerous position.
War tunes in, holds him in place.
But where is the damage?
Where is the bear?
The bear is being held in place by Malrin
with the pulverizer.
They cannot kill Skeeter.
Now Malrin jumps onto the back lines looking for Nisha.
Nisha gets saved though by Tofu.
Should be able to leap out of this fight.
The X will end up dead.
Amar and the gang will corral around Ace.
False promise though.
Buys him a little bit more time.
Tofu gets lifted back by Eki as Nisha
jumps to the back lines looking for Crick.
Able to bring down the Tofu.
Both supports are gone.
There's a pit of malice with Firestorm going out.
It will eventually culminate in them losing the bear however,
Amar with his BKB able to beat it down.
But overall, Team Liquid fought that very well.
It took a while before they got the damage out.
But eventually they got the Firestorm doing a lot of work.
They definitely did a very good kiting from them.
From every single hero.
It's not over though, pit of malice.
They have found Malrin coming through the Fuse Gate.
Nisha's out of mana, but they do have a stolen and stable concoction.
Malrede forced to pop the BKB, he got off the pulverize onto ace and with the trample
almost getting killed, but nobody's dying just yet.
Amar is finally respawned, able to lay damage in onto ace.
They killed the underlord, but Malrede died for it.
It's not connected onto Amar, but perhaps not enough.
Telekin, Nisa's though lifting snaking during the Icarus dive.
They will get him too.
What a nice rune to get, right?
a casual region on the Storm Spirit helping everything out.
He's still a full man, a full HP almost, so can't continue fighting.
You know what, like this long druid, we've discussed the item build and everything,
the shard that he's got, of course, extensively in other games.
Savage Roar is, I mean, probably the strongest aspect of this guy right now.
Aghanim is of course the main thing, but he's getting all these kills because of the Savage Roar.
Like you can't do anything about it, like the moment, unless you have a BKB.
Well, do they have reveal right now?
They do, SS the Stiller, SS the Stiller is out, Nikkei has a BKB though, Activator on the
bear, allows for the escape.
At the same time, Smoke on the other side, Skeeter could be in trouble, Eki is channeling
his own stun against him, throw it towards him.
Unfortunately with these three heroes and they don't have the fair or the underlord,
there's just not enough damage.
They do have the essence of Stiller, but no vessel, nothing like that.
Usually I have a feeling that most players don't regard Vessel as one of those items that you need to buy versus tanky boys.
It's still good, but the problem of course is the amount of dispels that you have in the game right now.
There's just a bunch of things that can dispel the Vessel.
There's not a lot of damage versus Alchemist with Ult on.
I'm also going to be the one carrying the gem from here on out as a heal on bear duty.
Orley scouting, trying to ensure that they can hold onto the bear.
We're getting a bloodstone build up from Ace.
Okay.
What you thinking?
I think the spell weakness aura is pretty good.
It's not only the active, it's the passive now plus the firestorm.
storm like if you look at the damage dealt in the previous in this in the
fight recap in the previous couple of fights underlord was actually almost
always on top right next to the storm spirit so I like it smoke up by falcons
let's see where they decide to go they have an observer what they just got it
out this rubik you know where he's at but they want a bigger target than
that I mean they'll settle for it and that's what they get to take
Eki, Telekinesis out onto a mob, hit of malice, prevents the Oslo coming through from Mal-Reen, that's going to open up space for Nisha, goes in a little bit, but decides not to stay there, because Snider has found a bigger target, they have found the bear, Savage Role will be there, but it's not good enough, Amoslo comes through for the cleanup.
Yeah, he tried to be sneaky, but there was a sentry ward for one extra minute remaining
used by Phoenix a long time ago. It wasn't even the gem, I believe, that scouted him, which was just a sentry.
And of course, Skidder being in the right position at the right time.
So far, they are managing to contain the beast, the bear that is.
This guy is still getting so scary and farmed. He's caught up to Alchemist, bro, in terms of the overall mid-lift.
Oh, it's mostly on the bear.
I mean, when you look at the druids, he's got five branches and a fairy fire.
Massive impact.
Is this bear or worse than yesterday's blight stone with one branch?
I mean, you have more slots filled at least.
I mean, it's less efficient.
I mean, you want very few slots filled with extremely high impact items.
Eventually.
If this game goes long enough, I won't be surprised, but for now, it's only the bear that has items.
Roshan has respawned, Falcons will discover him, decide to snatch another chain for themselves, get a banner and so...
Liquid, like you say, have no interest in really doing anything at the moment, just let's keep farming.
Liquid though, they actually come through the gate, they're gonna smoke up.
Can they stop this? Tridon was stolen by the Rubik, so he goes in, they don't know that he's here.
Okay, this could lead into something, but I don't know if they can make it happen.
Primal Beast comes through right now, Halberr rides on the tofu, force the false promise
himself.
Ace did open up the fiends gate, but doesn't want to walk through underneath all of these
heroes simultaneously and they now found the bear.
This is the big ticket item, Harpoon to pull it back in, DKB activated by the
bear.
Once you get out of here, Misha, if I'm down high ground, as Lincoln's
The sphere has been procged, DKB activated as well, him and Mikkei will connect to try and kill off this bear, even through the supernova.
Snake King will end up dead.
Afterwards the bear does die, but that's a trade that they might actually be willing to take on an high ground.
Falcons end up losing crit, Ace trying to get himself away.
DKB activated and no more lockdown available from Falcons.
You'd think that this is more or less of a fair trade, right?
Like 2 for 1, okay, you get the bear.
But Bear has respawned instantly and is reconnecting. This is the reason why they have to fall back.
Even though the BKBs and everything was used on Liquid, you cannot continue fighting them because the Bear is up.
Ekky still has the stolen Tredon, able to leap in deep into the Falcon's jungle, finding Skeeter.
Amar forced to pop the Wukong's command, hoping to zone them away.
He succeeds for a little bit and Skeeter is relatively tanky. He's not dead just yet.
Abyssal Blade now thrown back in onto Nisha Stormspirit will die Amar chases Eki down kills him off as well
They managed to not only force them back, but they brought the bear so low in an instant the teeth might die again
roughly
He came
To get this bear out of here silver edge as no BKB remember it was used in the previous fight
Amar able to chase it ski pace with the street ants
Eventually, he even popped BKB just to make sure he's not going to get sabotrored here.
Nicely done by Amar.
The main reason why he commits the BKB of course, and all this chase is because he knows there's
no resummon.
And it's super important to keep him on one bear.
Only have resummon in 5 seconds.
Yeah, but he'll have the hook cooldown afterwards, right?
So you can still take a fight and know that there's only one bear for 90 extra
seconds now.
He just will go the way of Skeeter
They're really having problems as the game goes longer
Like actually killing his Alchemist
They found him so many times by himself
He manages to keep surviving
Snake
Well, he's not Alchemist so
Very easy to kill
The bear itself probably wouldn't be able to solo kill him
But there was an Oracle with an additional purge
It's hard to solo kill targets with mobility until you have agonins on the druid himself as well because then you can permai entangle them
He's decided to go for the butterfly just arrived right now in the inventory a very very scary bear
Do they have MKB's on the other side of course not right like no one is really buying MKB naturally especially not versus a bear
so a
Abyssal AC into a Swift Blink on Alchemist might have to reconsider in Bion and KB. We'll see disperser on the Monkey King
Now Lena's gonna be going for hearts. This is not a hidden you see that much anymore. What happens to heart of Terrestre, man?
I miss the days where every other game 45 minutes in someone's like, ah
Let me try to become a raid boss. Well, Primal Beast truly is a raid boss
Impersonation in Dota right like it's one of those heroes that can actually go for it
I would argue that the refresher is also really good on him this game, but okay. He's going for a heart first instead
Daiten feels
Like it's good on PL and on PL alone because you can really abuse the top of box
Gets his link ins feel broken
But tofu is right there with the false promise to bail him out
also has a blink dagger to try to stay away from the rest of Falcons.
Dude, that Sharpshooter was actually on point, on Tofu as well,
but he manages to blink out in the last millisecond.
Certainly a very scary game.
How quickly Falcons can burst these heroes
if they have a way to stop Tofu from immediately healing them?
The problem is Falcons are constantly on a timer.
Like this push, more or less is on a timer
because the bear is already on top lane doing the same, right?
As you're pushing this year too, Bear is doing the same on top, and the question is, can you push through the pit of ballast?
I'm gonna find out if they have a pit of ballast down Skeeter, chemical range activated.
I'm not high ground, leading on to the tier 3 tower, and they're trying with this firestorm to zone him back, but it's just not working just yet.
Wschwack coming out onto Ace, just get away for a moment, zip back in from Nisha, just can't access the backline, so Skeeter is still standing strong.
Now Rhee is falling lower and lower, the firestorm is starting to have an impact.
The bear is actually coming back, I expected him to continue ratting, he didn't for some reason.
This was a long dive where the bear was literally just running from the druid to the fight.
Right, like he wasn't really accomplishing a lot, but okay, bit of malice, things gave.
Another one, Snake King able to Icarus dive away, Obstacle Scepter, Nisha will still be on him with the grab.
It's a supernova available to try and buy time, but Miike says,
I'm going to kill you no matter what. At the same time, Ace is caught between Skeeter and Amar right now.
Tofu needs to force off him out into safety.
Boss Promise activated on him as well as Skeeter is so low.
Goes back in, gets some stuns out onto Nisha.
There's a pulverize on the bear. They're trying to hold this bear back,
but the bear pops BKB, rips through Malrin.
So that's one kill already for Miike. Amar could also be in danger.
The pit of Malus, if this BKB ends during the TP, he is screwed.
But he got rooted instead. He is done down for the count. Double kill for Mickey.
The rest of Falcon sent back into the base.
You know what, like this Bloodstone actually with Oracle is doing so much damn work.
It's not only about the spell weakness, about the active.
It's this combination that they have with False Promise.
It allows the Underlord to just stand in the front lines, use Firestorm,
force out all the aggression on himself when the high ground push happened.
And do you know what if you waste one BKB just one yeah, they're hunting you down
And that's what happened alchemist uses BKB and after that he just needs to run like this whole fight here happens because they're
Completely falling back to save the alchemist. Hmm
One of those things that you invest so much in the Alchi
You don't want to just let him die and say okay guys
We'll take the next engagement. You have to do something to keep him alive. We're tall for the Alchi
Oh boy. Well, he does still have that Aegis, not for much longer. Unfortunately, when he
comes back into the game, he might not have a base. TF3 tower already gone. 2 heroes,
quote, with the Bushwack. And we did have a stolen pulverized Tholden onto Skeeter. He's
getting healed up massively by the Sunray and the chemical rage. But he shouldn't die
here just yet. At the same time, Leisha looking towards Snake King, able to kill
There is no supernova available for this fight and they whoa
The damage from tofu the purifying flames
Brodsky to low fate will finish them off. They just lost the alchemist. What's that like?
Second perfect because I heard you I heard the ages being reclaimed as well. Oh
Yeah, we've got to have a replay or not
This is just how tight the timing was because that might have just been the very last tip. That's was pretty close
That's one side maybe another one as well. They have two cores available
But no buyback on the Alchemist.
Yeah, no buyback on the Alchi. This guy actually could just be Megas.
Can he get the tier 2 tower bottom and the bottom lane of Ratchet in a minute?
I think they can backdoor it, right? With the bear. They probably can backdoor it.
Is there something that this hero cannot do at this point?
And Mikae, real hero still just randomly in the cheese store, he's just scouting here
oh he actually caught Amar, the BKB, Amar is going to get Savage Roar, he can't kill
his own BKB, he finally does but he's going to lose his life for godless, Crypt dies
immediately afterwards, buyback forced in from the hood where Exkita finally got the
money to buyback himself on the Alchemist, gets the Oblistal Blade out on the bear
trying to bring it down, forced off and the left to make sure that the spirit bit does not die.
Now Skeeter, brought closer to the rest of Team Liquid. He's far away from his own squad.
He's being entangled, Claude! Up! He's about to die and die back here!
Snake in, forced to pop the supernova just to zone back Team Liquid.
Now Rene going in, paying Trample after the onslaught, able to get everybody low,
but nobody's dying just yet. Ace finally loses his life.
Try to activate the Bloodstone heal. Doesn't come out in time.
He activates the Bloodstorm, but doesn't get the Firestorm, right?
So no real damage available for him to spell steal from, but look at that damage from the Primal.
That was like a perfect backline cast from him.
They don't have a buyback, by the way, on Underlord. He's sitting on a thousand gold short.
It's really difficult to go anywhere in the current state of the map versus this Laundry, though.
So, Bushing is a fever dream for Vulcans.
Mike Mike Mike
Going for Octarin core next on the zero
What's the Octarin for?
Faster resummon
And why not I guess there's a refresher
I'm not buying refreshments there yeah
He's screwing it up like he's screwing up the refresher too
By the way Octarin also works on Savage Roar
Which is it lowers it for from 15 to 11 seconds
It's look Savage Roar is a massive spell
You buy this shard as soon as possible on the lundroid as well
We're in that last fight without Savage Roar, Marge just lives.
Two lanes of Barracks down, Team Falcons.
Gonna have all of these waves pushing in.
We've seen yesterday what can happen at this stage of the game, Lone Druid.
It's always just gonna be looking for a small opportunity to get that bear into your base,
just to mollish every building possible.
Yeah, he's buying the refresher by the way.
I'm not really sure if one...
Can the bear even use it?
I've never seen anyone recently in our games buy it on the bear
I suppose he could
I don't see why not
Just because of the double BKB is not all I'm saying
Like you use the first BKB, the bear dies after
You re-summon
You refresh the BKB
I'm really glad they removed the refreshable BKB
I actually, right, can't refresh the items we talked about yesterday as well
It's fine, you know, in your advanced age
Sometimes memory gets slippery.
Snake King and the boys, 10k gold lead that they have to deal with.
They're actually going back for another Agen and Scepter on Skeeter.
Who's gonna be the recipient of that one?
Oh that's Octaneh.
Fiends gate goes up, life meter also catches Snake King.
There will be a pulverize onto Ace, but immediate hex onto Merlin.
Mal-Reen now has to pop his own BKB if he wants to live, otherwise this bear could rip him apart,
Savage Role comes out, a blue Abyssal the bear though Skeeter, trying to kill it but the false promise
is on the bear itself, all of a sudden Skeeter might have fired himself way too far forward.
He will be okay because Snake King does have the supernova on the high ground.
Nikkei will lose the first bear, we'll have another one though.
The fight's not over though, Amar, looking for an opportunity to pop the Wukong's command
as the tranquil goes on until the backlight, Malrin able to find a double kill onto the two supports.
Ace now feeling very isolated here, does have the BKB bloodstone going,
and eventually they're all gonna have to leave him alone because
Anisha comes back, buys into the game, he wants to end things here and now. They're looking
towards Malrin, the defensive items are finished, beautiful pit of malice onto two.
Ace will still be living towards the very end.
Maureen and Snaking though, both of them die, Snape buys out immediately.
They bought back on both the sports, Aki and Tofu, they're ready to fight again.
Roche by the way has respawned, so it's another option for them of course.
I feel like at this point they could have been a little bit maybe undisciplined,
pressured the high ground with all five heroes, not okay, they go first into the pit, this is
a short affair, nothing really massive will change, they probably will get to fight
without primal beast anyway.
We're buying rapia on Skeeto.
I mean, I like this.
There wasn't really any other big agonist target.
He queued up another axe, but who'd you give it to?
You gave it to monkey, you gave it to primal.
The next obvious target is Phoenix.
It's not the hoodwing, but both agonist scepters are pretty mediocre.
Not worth it, so...
Rapier, okay.
they're still gaming them one lane of barracks separates them from being
completely megalod laundry it finds with blink for the bear that's gonna be the
next item even harder to catch up now this is what else does a bear need at
at this point. Swift blink as well on top to jump the backlines, 20% demolished bonus
on the buildings. Yeah. Let's see what Falcons will do here. So they have all their
ultimates. DKBs are at the ready. Divine Rapier, I do not believe was scouted just yet. So this
could be a nice big surprise. If Malrin is able to do what he's been doing in terms
of getting to the backlines especially dealing with tofu maybe
Mr. Rapier can turn the game around if they could catch the backlines right
like it would be pretty massive the problem is it's you it's usually the
storm spirits that the storm spirits job to jump your own backlines and he's
been doing a fantastic job at that constantly catching the monkey king the
supports
He's just almost level 29, jeez.
How many of our last games have gone over 15 minutes?
We've had quite a few.
You have to ask which ones happened, gang.
I think we had like one game yesterday was 45 minutes and the other one was 48.
But almost everything else has been 50 plus.
Another shard.
Pour the beer this time around for fetch.
Because why not?
He can be a little betrider of his own
Bear rider
So for also bought the a on desk here
Love the items you have in an oracle. Oh, I'm up a quarter ultimate the fiends gate was there
This lights here doesn't arrive in time though. Yeah this time round
He does have disperser, of course, so isn't as easy to catch with the root
You have to break the tree
And so it begins, Miike, this bay is going to be perched around this area for a very long time to come.
Are they waiting for their buybacks, I wonder, because they still have two minutes on the Agents.
I'd be surprised if they didn't pressure and use that advantage when it comes to the buybacks on the other side.
Okay, Alchemist does have his, but if he dies, he's dropping the rapier, of course, so that's a pretty massive deal.
They have buybacks. Okay.
What does alchemist buy next actually to keep sailing?
What you drop even you I guess you can drop your phases you have swift link
Do we start out to think like a bit outside the box, you know alchemist with data or something like this it may be
Maybe something to tank him up as well. Any of the bigger items is decent on him
They don't really have any MKB's on the other side
So even a butterfly is honestly an option, not really the most common item on him of course.
We all turn to the high ground so that there's an additional pit.
They don't want to fight without the command, right? Wukong's command was wasted.
And you know why? It wasn't lifted out. He harpooned himself out.
Oh, no.
Well, now they have a Roshan's banner dropped down, protecting the Sea Dragon.
Anisha, they know that he can blue-hole, so they have to be very careful with their positioning.
Trial lane jumps in, you're trying to get some spells out, but he got hexed.
He's going to be forced back inside the pit of Manus right now.
He does have BKB to pop though.
He's activated on top of the trample.
That'll keep him alive for a moment.
Fourth promise, on signature.
He's going onto a moth.
And Kronzkommar is still not available.
He's forced to boundless strike away into safety.
But Nisha is out of mana right now.
That's getting lift saved by Ekky.
And Skeeter on top of him trying to beat him down.
Look at that rapier.
Unfortunately, he gets hexed.
And now Mikke's bear goes directly towards the Alchemist.
It's a carry versus carry battle.
Both of them have VKPs active, but Mike decides to back for a while.
Nisha still going low in terms of the HP and mana department.
The fight is still ongoing. Amar able to get the jump onto Nisha.
They get the additional stun with the Alchemist, but false promise once more from Topu.
Ace dropping another pit of malice in the middle of this fight with the firestorm damage.
Burning through this monkey king, he goes down.
Still alive, still getting healed up, gets another 4-tank onto Mal-Reen, kills him off too.
Team Liquid taking the longest teamfight you'll ever see in your life and emerging victorious.
What are these circles? The area of effect from the Underlord is just insane.
Of course the main damage dealer being the Storm 11k in the last fight, but so was Underlord.
Second in hand, 7k, just a lot of percentage base damage from the Firestorm.
My back from that time was least there's gonna be a blue hole onto the two support
They've already lost crit and snaking snaking does not have buyback Skeeter
He needs to get involved here as Mal'Reen stolen pulverizer was used on top of him Mal'Reen might tie back here
Trying to trample away. He's still caught inside the pit of malice. Nisha is gonna chase him
But Nisha run out of mana on the other side of the fight Amar
He was dealing with the rest of the team. There's Nisha getting a very nice vortex
He doesn't have an Aegis though, so he's gonna die does have buyback
But the two supports have already been lost, Nikkei now, his bear will savage roar, so it
blink up in a moment, so the bear should be fine.
But Team Liquid have two heroes dead without buyback and Nisha finally going down at the
end of the fight.
It was a costly hold, but they did hold in the end, Malrin buying back, Amar buying
back, Crit buying back as well, but the game goes on.
There is no buyback on Rubik, I believe for 30 more seconds, the same more or less
on Tofu they bought back at the same time.
They will have the gold for it, if needed, but you have to fix every single lane.
Snaking, unfortunately, like most of these fights, like he's trying to deal with the creeps because the drone is exposed, right?
So, Nisha always has every info to catch him, or if it's not Nisha, it's the bear, it's always someone.
And it's hard to defend this particular high ground because the creeps are pushing him from all sides.
Chone is actually a quarter HP down.
By the way, one of the longest fights that I have seen in a long time.
The percentage base damage and the Bloodstone doing so much work for the Underlord.
Just the constant heals, the constant percentage damage.
The pits of Malice, man.
Anywhere I move my camera, there's a pit of Malice on the ground.
Nike, could be a disaster because Skeeter has a rapier in his inventory and he's alone on the map right now.
The team needs to come closer. Amar does come through, gets the Fowler's Strike up, so they turn directly onto the player.
Nike won't be able to save it, it dies during the pulverize.
Luckily for the long-dread, he's on the other side of the map, of course unaffected, has an Octarene core and a refresher.
So he is able to respawn it immediately.
Skidder still has that rapier, has the Octavine, has the Refresher, waiting for another blink
so he's gonna get the blink for himself.
It seems like it, yeah.
And actually an MKB queued up on the Altamist.
I don't know why they didn't get it a little bit earlier on anyone because the Butterfly
on Bear was very early bought, right?
Like it was one of the first items that he got, one of the first bigger items that
is.
So, Skidder now will have the MKB.
the buyback of course the 25,000 lead for team liquid at the moment hex now
purchased for this underlord so even more control coming from ace they're just
maxing out on everything item maxing at this point and to item max you need to
get tier 5s yeah there we go what are we gonna see just delay for a minute
gang so you can all just finish the right neutrals then we can resume the
Unfortunately, no Enchanters. What's the name? Bobble. No one took it on Tier 4.
Book of the Dead from Malorin, a Stygian Desilator from Nisha.
I think people will always forget, given how much work he does in the early game,
in terms of zipping around, using his spells, late-game Storm Spirit right clicks are pretty insane.
They are and you benefit from them as well like with the shard with his agonies
It's everyone around hits a little bit harder to
The spirit bear by the way stigian desolator as well with audacious
So hundred actually took the plus 10% incoming damage the bear is falling in these fights
But I guess at this point you don't really care as long as you can get to target down from 100 to 0
You always have a resummon
Oh really?
He just finished his aim on this bell.
That is so unfortunate.
He literally just put the item in the inventory.
It was still on cooldown.
Oh man.
That sucks. That sucks.
It was in the backpack. He tried to put it in.
He dies right at it happens.
Insane timing.
Right when the roar spawns as well.
So it's all roar. And they will try to fight it at scenes.
But I don't really have a choice.
There's no way you can win the game against an Aegis at this moment.
he's at this moment another agents would be shits game in the
how do you stop this you don't get to gonna give it up
you cannot it seems like skier actually has a plan this is a man with the plan
nevermind he just meant to buy the butterfly instead
I was thinking maybe he's thinking of catching the loan to it
they know it's a dieback so 75 seconds 4 vs 5
The bear already doing its thing. Skeeter trying to jump on it, but my goodness
He's getting ripped to shreds. Nisha is gonna go directly onto crit, activate his A on this.
Nikkei still just putting pressure on damage onto Skeeter. Sunray will provide the heal, but Nisha jumps back in.
The zip kills off the alchemist, the fine rapier is on the ground.
Nikkei can do whatever the hell he wants with this bear. The false promise allows him to put pressure onto Amar.
Eventually it does die. Amar looking towards Nisha,
Refreshers once a second who comes to mind beautiful boundless like able to catch up to a key doesn't get the kill initially
Eventually it does but that open up space for him to get brought back with the foretex
Nisha brings down a mar Gigi is called team Falcons
Drop game one and liquid will move into the rest of the series with the one game at once
What a game to start the series just a beautiful performance from both teams loan through it after all
seems to be
The Osfrog of the matter looks like Falcons have learned the lesson that everybody else has learned so fast
You're gonna play against a lone druid player. Just ban the hero, right Shiva?
Yeah, but I would ban a hero myself and would walk over and do it myself because I I
Generally love late game Dota be honest. I like it
You're you know, you make an investment for the first 45 50 minutes of the game
And then you get some epic moments and I feel like I was denied those in this game because the game was so
Different because of laundry it being the bear man
No, okay, I think the conclusion to the game
I agree if at the way in which liquid got to that point was still
Quite enjoyable. Yes the way that initials able to find the back line
and unblock constantly getting these little tree cuts or just initiations, the rubric
and oracle both saving whoever falcons jumped, there was a lot of discipline and execution
required for Liquid to get here.
It wasn't the same as maybe the Londoner games that we saw previously where you have
like 20,000 building damage at minute 35, you're doing it all by yourself, main character
syndrome, this felt like you needed layers to Liquid to be able to do it.
But that does allow them to have this a bit of a global presence as well, when
think about it, no commitment whatsoever from the lone druid himself. He can send
out the bear, Storm Spirit zips in, you're scouting things out, maybe Twin Gate on
top of that or Underworld's Gate to make sure you're outnumbering that you have
enough control and the damage. I like the idea of this offline monkey king, it
did look good in the first like 25-30 minutes of the game. It looked okay
in the lane as well because you can jingoo off of the bear because he's
hero and also allowing you to try to scout at the bear because he's like
going to be always on a different side and then you bring plus one with the
monkey king and try to kill the bear keep killing him constantly it was a
good idea but it's just that team liquid they found the opportunities in
this game to hold the high ground and make stuff happen on the map get the
kills and pick a comeback in this game. The highlight for me was in the
TOEFL we did make a really a lot of really cool plays. I appreciate that
If I wasn't focusing on what the bear was doing, I was tofu that had my attention.
Yeah, Lone Druid very quickly makes the game just a little bit awkward compared to other carries.
You know, even just watching, it's like, ah, okay, Lone Druid.
And for Falcons, we have to comment on, they fumbled this game, right?
I feel like they utilizing out quite nicely.
They go for one axe for the primal to break open a bit of the game.
He goes back to then rush like AC Abyssal.
They have the layering of stunts.
They picked off Nisha.
You're at the bottom steps to the Roshan area. It is really cool gameplay, but you have a 7000 gold lead, you go for the bottom racks, you die, you then get picked off multiple times, and you just don't have buybacks when Lick would get, you know, pretty much just chain-killing falcons for a couple minutes.
And it's one major mistake, and Lick would go, thank you very much. We now command the entire game.
They have one of the best heroes in the game to split push and to defend the high ground as well.
You have Pit of Malice, which is just an insane spell by itself.
Yeah, and then you have like Lyft, you have a cons like you're fighting inside your base with the Storm Spirit, Firestorm, Fatebolt.
It's just too annoying and they don't have the sustain.
You saw the atomization coming out from snaking, trying to build into pipe, maybe try to reduce some of that damage as well.
So they have extra bit of survivability.
wasn't enough, but Tofu, standout player, we saw in the end as well very cool play where he's using
it on the Spirit Bear as well and then you have a blink dagger or a swift blink so he blinks because
you can blink away because of the ulti from Oracle, he gets a kill on Alchemist and it's basically
the end of the game. Yeah he also had 39 combined kills in assist, he had more than the Rubik,
right? Normally when you think of Rubik, that's the one who wants to go do things on the map,
But Tofu, he was always in these cheap fights and you know, his position was a little worse
Then maybe the explosiveness of a monkey and out could come into play, but Tofu right players right time
Yeah, he enabled Nisha a lot as well without I think that allowed him to get some great moments in as well
Worth highlighting. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I mean Nisha storm is just a different beast
I was looking at his damage numbers. It's true the roof. It's like almost 90,000 damage in that game
He was the damage dealer
Oh, fun fact actually both Primal Beast and Monkey King had 69000 damage.
Yeah, so that's our Primal only.
Well we're gonna watch, I believe we're gonna watch Monkey Die a couple times.
Yeah, we're gonna watch Nisha first. He did have a great game and he is also worth to highlight here.
I feel like this performance on the storm, I mean this is recreatable even without the
alone druid i think if you if you assume like a lone druid might be banned in the next games the
the oracle storm combination was very strong yes why we were kind of afraid of how good
liquids draft was in this game because when you have under rubik storm no matter what the waves
will be shoved out and you'll get online like he and a lot of these good things like 16 20
galvanized stacks he had what like 12 items available at the end of that game right so
it was just a very much niche we'll always get online with this type of draft yeah and
And we will see Monkey die now, as we are going to look at.
Yeah, we'll have to see Monkey die in this meta.
Getting three cuts.
Twin gate, get them stunned straight away,
and immediately they're keeping A's.
They know what they did.
But it looks like for professional e-gamers,
it looks super easy.
But you need to pay attention on the map.
Make sure you have ult ready and cut him down immediately.
This was the second time where he actually
did it to Maureen at this point of the game.
He's very good, very strong, because he did
go for the wraps as well about the finish it he has eggs from the alchemist as well
so I like this idea we did talk about some of like the best agonim scepter that alchemist
can give there was always like pango queen of pain like void spirit these type of heroes but
seems like they found the perfect hero for themselves as well it was a good strategy coming out from
falcons but fell apart at the later stage of the game yeah one of those moments where I fell
apart was the the clip we're gonna watch right now it was where team liquid was able to
start a little bit of a comeback for themselves. Yeah, I think Falcons just, you can feel they're
getting a bit carried away with their aggression a bit right, especially with the itemization on
the Alchemist where you want to play into the map, you know, Primal, Alch, Monkey King, that's just
three melee cores, I want to get really into the middle of the fight and we are going to see
Nisha just constantly kiting around utilizing the Underlord as well to just keep dragging
Falcons into awkward positions, move all the bears just chipping away at you. And yeah,
For Falcons, this was the first fight of many to come where I feel like they just couldn't really keep Nisha in place.
Splitting the fight in the triangle under vision and also having both of the supports, Oracle ulti comes out, and Rubik's shard, such an underrated shard as well where you can actually save others.
So basically two saving supports at that point of the game where you can just go all in and knowing that everybody, like we saw these late game fights where everybody has four or five thousand HP,
Which gives them just enough time to react like you don't necessarily need to rush anything.
Yeah, nobody really rushed anything this game. I mean it lasted a very long time.
I felt like everybody seemed to at some point just be happy.
Use farming. We can take a look at how happy the storm and the lone druid were farming around 45 minutes.
Yeah, and I just wanted to highlight this because of course you're mentioning you know,
lone druid or you're not too excited about the late game. And look at McKay's,
they're building damage 45 minutes into the game. 973.
It's not even the Loan Druid game that we've seen before, look he was being honest.
He was trying to kill heroes, he wasn't trying to kill buildings.
Are you sure he wasn't just farming?
He's 45 minutes into the game.
Yes, that's my point.
Yeah but Mikael also had a pretty impressive game.
He did die twice relatively early on and then didn't die for good like 40-45 minutes
pretty much because the game was 60 plus minutes.
So I mean it does happen with the Loan Druid because he can play on the other side the
the main guy is the spirit there. Yeah. And of course you, yeah, you talk about farming
Shiva. They just quickly updated it just for you. Yeah. There we go. You happy with those
numbers? 6709 last hits. Yeah, sure. If you're going to farm great numbers, keep it up,
make it. That's very wonderful. I love how much like it's just I'm just used to seeing
a different style of though. And I, and I recognize this still was very, very, let's
honest game for a lot of people sure but it's also when you take one step back
it's also boring like I was trying to you know do the whole panel thing but I
agree with you all right I feel right now alchemist is a carry giving away
eggs I'm happy Falcon's at least tried to be aggressive yet not farming three
below drift people are complaining about alchemist being like this honest
because he's giving them away as, getting extra bit of gold,
and then we get hit by Laundruid,
and then Alchemist seems like a normal hero
compared to the other guy, or other two guys.
I have a worry that this game, we talked about it,
it was Falcons slipping up a couple of times,
and if they didn't, they probably
would've been able to close the game,
like 40 minutes or so.
Are they gonna draw the same conclusion
and think, I hope we can give them Laundruid again,
and we'll go Alchemist again,
but this time we won't.
Nope.
Oh, no.
going to do the boop.
Well, we're going to find out because we're
going to have a second game of this best of three
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Team Liquid and Falcons are up against each other in the upper bracket, and we're heading
into game number two.
Game one went the way of Team Liquid after a long, drawn-up game where the main story
of the game was Alchemist vs. Lone Druid.
Two heroes that have been very strong throughout this patch already, I know the win rate
of Alchemist hasn't looked that good, it's because every time someone let it through,
they thought, we can counter it.
and oftentimes that was the case.
We're gonna find out where the teams
are gonna take the drafts in game number two
because I think everybody's very curious
if the same thing will happen again.
Lacoste gave it a big fat no, won't happen again.
Let's see it banned out.
Teague up, where do you stand on this?
If it's the same pick order,
I don't think draft really played into the last game.
I think of course there's a lot of moments
both teams could have won the game.
Of course, Liquid eventually do winning it.
But if it was to adjust draft slightly,
I feel like on pick nine, taking the tight hunter
when you see the laundry would have been a really strong option, not because of the meme
style of, you know, you know, ATF only wins on two heroes. But I really feel like in regards
to the draft, picking that Tidehunter, maybe the Alchemist wouldn't get banned, you still
can pick Alk later in the draft, give an axe to the Tidehunter, and then you just have
gosh, you get to play the game that Falcon has shown to be really strong with.
But because you don't pick it straight away, it gets banned out, and the draft
does go down a bit more of a creative approach with the monkey and other things.
How much do you think the concept matters, like this is an upper bracket of course, if
you are able to beat Liquid's lone druid.
For the next series you'll face them again in the grand finals or something.
Well I mean that's to be fair right?
Yeah, you can always try.
I mean we've seen these stubborn teams as well be victims of their own drafts so
many times in Dota history.
I think Poppy would be like a good example.
He was like very stubborn as a captain as well.
most of the time it did work out for him, but sometimes it just didn't.
But let's see if they're going to decide to do the same thing.
It just feels like it's too strong right now and coming into, like knowing that there's
always this potential of getting solo killed and then having to buy back playing the
fight 4v5 is just not good.
Centuries are limited.
We saw teams trying to pick up an earlier gem as well.
We saw different approaches.
This monkey king.
like the dooms, double dooms, minus armor with slaughter, seems like nothing really works against
this. I think also in that last game, it might have been a record, right, Amar with the gem got
to kill on the bear tips, Mickey. It felt like within 10 minutes, game disappeared, he gets
tipped game zero, like at least in regards to pacing. So Amar might want to want to tip
in the next game, kind of fueled liquid a little bit. Well, with the alchemist and the
alone drew it out.
He's Pango time.
He's Master on Pango, he's not nothing.
Also, yeah, the white...
No, go for it.
No, I trust it bad.
The place is not a hero yet.
Keep going, not about the issues.
Alright, well, another hero that has highly contested at the start is just a simple woodling,
because people just like it so that they don't give way too much, but I think Falcons
want to get something stronger, especially with the Pango and Plano.
Queen of Pain Lane is well against Pango.
She does.
multiple options we've seen good amount of Grimstrokes as response to Pango
straight away because later down the line this is something you talked about
the doom this is something that Amar did play in the pubs so it's still gonna be
monkey king they still believe in this hero they believe it and as a flex I
don't think they're gonna be flexing it to position four this doesn't sound to
me like something with crit foot play I have a question is there a lot of
Does Ace really play it? I don't know if I've ever played it.
He plays it. Yeah, he does.
He's played it a couple times in this tournament, so they can dabble with it.
It is one of his more aggressive offlanings that he plays when he, of course, joins the fight.
But when I see him on pango, it's the same idea as Batrider.
It's Batrider pango, same player style.
Try to get a couple kills in the lane, get one item, go into the map, go crazy.
So they have only one ban on the side of Falcons, so if they ban techies again,
which is very annoying for monkey to play against, now they also shown, because of
the taser of course, it's a dispell plus disarm. I don't think as an offlane monkey
you want to be playing into anything. I mean they could also run it as a
position 4 or just play it as a 5 from the offlane if necessary, but they're
also shown that they can play different heroes, different way of dispelling
things. I want to see how Falcons are going to be approaching this
problem knowing that there are multiple ways of dealing with this monkey in the lane.
Yeah, so in regards to the flex, like Skidden has only played it eight times in his career,
last played in 2024, Malrin has played it a lot more, playing it 19 days ago, 37 games,
played 76 minutes, win rate, sorry. So most likely when you look at monkey, I'm looking
at offline to mid flex rather than mid to carry flex that we often see other teams do.
Again, I feel like it had some logic behind it, especially because he goes, like, different
to BKB.
Like, the way he was playing Bristleback, even the Titanthir, he wants to get like, Bristle
who's rushing BKB to be in the middle of the fight be annoying, Titanthir's going consecrated
wraps to be in the middle of the fight.
If you're able to farm the Diffusal from laning phase and then fight into a BKB,
you could argue it's the same type of logic, very different from regards to the toolkit
spells but at least in regards to tankiness it is going to be the same.
I'd be okay if they just like open up straight up with silencer the stonks for this hero are
through the roof right now the hero feels really strong because it doesn't allow pango to like
play the game when he wants to get to roll especially at these early early levels so they
will remove the phoenix beast master so they went with the other thing that we did mention
during the previous draft where Underlord is still available and picking up Rubik on 13
doesn't allow Team Liquid to pick Underlord for themselves but this opens up potential Underlord
for Falcons if they want to pick it. For sure, it's a really nice way to just respect that you
don't have enough bands in your draft. Should we be still having on our radar the Tidehunter?
I think yes, no. Or is there something that sways either team away from it? I think it
depends on the support combination from Liquid. If they have really strong laning
supports then of course there could be an option on 18 to threaten it. If they
have weaker laning supports, Falcons might be able to call the bluff and go
yeah we can get through it, we have Rubik as well for fadebolt and lift. I think it
really just depends on what Liquid show here.
Both teams just keeping their draft very alive right? It's like the
hoodwink, generic support, Rubik, generic support, pango two lanes, monkey
two lanes both lineups also if you get good start to the game you buy one item
and you break into the map I feel like I'm watching like a mirror draft happen
yeah in regards like the pacing the laning everything just feels very similar
right now between the two teams this is a bit more niche it is and it is most
likely gonna be the carry yeah you're probably looking in there with Mickey
support has been nerfed you don't have the kill shot facet anymore you don't
have facet at all but this is not a thing up until you hit level 25
You're also forcing the monkey king to go, are you really going to be the offender here?
Like you're going to lane into a win ranger. You can never step up close to me. I'm a ranged hero
I also have win run to be able to disengage from you
It's a nice way for a liquid respecting how falcons are currently utilizing monkey king in the draft
And then on 18 you potentially can still take like no queen of pain or like a ranged hero that threatens the monkey king
And now monkeys are too late. I don't really want to play. Where do I go?
If that's of course Pango going to a fling in that scenario.
Yeah, at least with the Windranger they keep that Pango flex open.
Falcons kind of has to close it a little bit now with two picks of their own.
Skitter can find a carry if he can, and that then puts a bit more pressure on Liquid in that regard.
Skitter's carol pool has been very limited.
I mean they have no catch. He likes to play Veeber when there's not many things that can stop him.
There's this answer that we talked about. This looks too good. Like it's very good against Windranger as well where you have if you have a good catch
More releasing potential damage problems though for Falcons
We're a tiny tiny sauce a lot of these issues. Yeah, and it actually keeps the drafts very kind of dynamic right with the latest
Where they're gonna go. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that if Falcons do pick a low damage hero here
I am concerned liquid are gonna be able to create their game
And they do go for the tight hunter. So yeah
They will push the monkey to just a different lane, but ATF 3-0 on the hero 100 and Rune-Rate
will free farm in the Winter in Jalane, just doesn't really care.
Shawl has a break from the hoodwink, eventual ways to kill him down the lane, but in regards
to the early game, I think Amar is going to be pretty happy.
Would you rather see the monkey safe lane, which is already, we said, might be difficult
or mid?
Which is going to be the easy?
can just follow the pango into the end of the draft and then wherever the pango
goes just stop the monkey there and go they should be pretty good for monkey
that's the simplest answer. It is overalaspic for a falcon so they could be that.
I mean if they want something like a task would be okay-ish it's like very
good with Windranger always with the tank team gives you extra bit of a
damage to kill Tidehunter I think Marcy if they're looking for another
melee position four slash five because you can always like hooding four
liquid at least is also potentially a flex they could run it from 4 or 5 but
they do take the queen of pain that is also liquid's way of going put the
monkey in the safe place yeah we don't think it's going to complete a game
competitive 2024 please don't put it mid can we do that expect the queen of
pain on 18 so it wasn't too much of a surprise and it really just enabled
liquids lineup for the type of aggression that they have right it's
Queen of Pain with Agax you fight and then Mickey's gonna get in and out of the
fight, Pango's gonna open up the initiation so it's very very skirmish
and very scary of course eventually fighting into globals and ravages it
can get a bit awkward but yeah they have overwhelming teamfight on Falcons
I don't think Team Liquid can match it they're very single target oriented
at least early on Pango does some of course you have AoE from Queen of
pain, but we're also talking about the global silence, tight hunter ravage, another circle
that you can throw on top of ravage. So not the easiest way for Liquid to take some of
these early engagements unless they're the ones initiating, but then again, there's
this global silence that has been working out amazingly so far at Valakia.
Liquid just needs to play with a lot of conviction right now. When you find a hero,
it's like you already want the rolling thunder in place.
Yes, yes.
Global doesn't matter. You want the queen of pain to initiate with Sonic. So
when you get global, it's like my damage is kind of low.
fire rolling thunder like the heroes already dying and then like it's going to be 4v5 even
during the global.
So you want the initiation to be Queen of Pain, Sonic Waving?
Because at the moment they are.
Let's take a step back for a sec.
Yes, that is one way to do it of course.
I think Liquid naturally itemizes to deal with Sunset and Tidehunter.
They're not afraid of buying BKBs or Lotuses across their cores, even Mantas.
So it's more of in the early game, be aggressive, punish the Falcons, don't have damage.
And as the game progresses, whoever has the item in play to keep themselves alive after the jump can do Queen of Pain potentially with the BKB, can be that error.
What do we make of the Tiny Van? They are still respecting the Windranger support?
Yeah, like technically, yeah.
Okay, because at the moment I feel like the team fight on the side of Falcons is so overwhelmingly strong and on the side of Liquid they just don't have much and especially not assuming that there's going to be global silence.
It's also the Queen of Pain can be played carried by Micae, so there is an argument that Queen can go to carry
They put the tiny mid lane and then your your tricor
One item with a couple levels
Go, you know overlap each other and kill them out
Yeah, I think it's also the idea about being able to kill the supports before the fight starts
We've seen it so many times so far at Valakia where he gets Silver Edge and then he hunts down supports takes out for example
silencer so that means there's no global silence and this is the hero that we
also talked about I just really like Tusk in general because it gives you the
save if whoever gets initiated on and it also gives you the damage to kill the
beefy boys plus synergizes real nicely with the Windranger.
Just give me like a casual clockwork, such a dude you jump in I'm pretty sure
Ekki won't mind being the one if he's in playing even tofu you might be
even bait out a global if your initiation is clear.
But, okay, there's a trick.
Much more just...
Give them team fights.
Good team fight.
Like, it punishes the damage of Falcons,
living armor into these heroes,
might just make you unkillable in the early game.
And when Queen blinks in,
if she is the initiator of pre-BKB, living armor,
whoof, very, very helpful.
Well, that means Falcons need to reveal
where that monkey's going,
although Liquid kind of already forced the monkey to the safe lane.
So what will they play up against Queen of Pain?
I mean, Malrin potentially much going, you know what, I'll play it.
And I feel like it's such a losing lane that it won't be good.
I would like to see monkey just go carry.
Malrin's also kind of talking right now.
But most of his heroes are countered by Queen of Pain.
Like he is the melee guy.
Sand King.
So he helps to overcome complicated things.
But also to be fair, they are one of the best, if not the best,
Sanking team I would say it just looks completely different whenever they play it compared to some other teams
This is the hero that plays off of stacks. They have again insane amount of team fight on their side
The in terms of spells that rubik can steal in this game
There are some like decent ones, especially if you steal stuff from Queen of Pain like shackle rolling thunder
Turn protector ulti some cheaper spells on top of that as well
This time around they don't have ways on side of liquid to
Just play the type of a game that they did play in game number one and eventually they will need to fight in the team Falcons overwhelming draft with all these big AoE spells.
Yeah, I'm looking at Falcons who they invite the aggression and they will be the ones turning around the fights like Lacoste is mentioning.
So I think the narrative a little bit was switched, right? I'm looking at Liquid. They have to play on the active runes, make sure Nisha gets the random amp damage or the regen to go break into the map.
Asens to overlap some point things will get difficult it's more on item usage rather than the spell usage
I think for liquid but yeah, I'm happy that we have seen it a shift of pacing from both teams
Yeah, I mean we've got the 100% win rate mill marine sound king the 100% win rate tide hunter
First time for Skeeter on the monkey king this event
Oh if we're following the stats he didn't pick, you know tied up Bristol game one. He lost
He now picks tide. It's unfortunate. We already know the result of the game. I'll start prepping for a game through draft
Oh, I know that there's definitely one person that would like to see this one go a 2-0
And that's of course coach Blitz who's talking to slacks right now
Thank you so much shiver. Absolutely. What a great throw shiver. I appreciate you shiver
Ladies and gentlemen, we are here with Blitz the big brains behind team of liquid a back again my friend
I've game one draft pretty standard stuff eyes are up here. Don't look at yourself. All right
Standard draft, you know a lot of heroes
we've been seeing all day, every day, you guys clearly had a plan, went in against it.
Game 2? A little bit wily here. Is that how you felt as a drafter? Or do I have it wrong?
I think we just have a really good read on each other as teams. Like, I think, last game
I think they had a really smart plan that we knew was coming. Actually they banned
a bunch of heroes that we wanted to pick and probably we did the same to them. So
I think we have good understanding of each other.
matched with that way 2000 of course as he walks by. What a piece of garbage.
I flipped you off actually. That's crazy. Wild. I wasn't expecting that.
However, I want to talk to you a little bit about your substitute as well.
This is my first chance to be able to talk to you with a little bit of time in.
I know no one can replace Darth Boxy, but how's this guy holding up?
Atke's been wonderful actually. I think he works really hard. He has a
lot of ideas. He is relentlessly positive. Yeah, I like him a lot. I
I think he's been a really cool addition.
Is there anyone that you've had substitute that you did not like?
And you don't have to name them, but you're a very positive guy.
Every time that you guys do have a sub, you're very nice to them.
Have you had anyone that you're like, wow, never working with that guy again?
You don't have to say that.
No.
I think as a whole, I personally like all of our subs.
Brow was great.
He worked really hard.
VTUNE is so cool.
Like, has a lot of energy.
Saber, when he stood in for us, we ended up playing with him the year
after, so really liked him. I think that's all of our subs so far that we've had and I've
liked all of them, yeah. We had Toby too and I liked Toby a lot, so.
Okay, great. Good to hear. I mean, you guys have a pretty good vibes environment from what
I've been hearing from him. I've had a chance to talk to Eki a lot. He's like, I just
like the feel of this team. Like, they are positive, they are fun, they are able
to listen to you. Is that kind of what most of your subs have said?
I don't know if every one of them said. Can I also flamese Keter, by the way?
do. So Skeeter is really worried that he's gonna lose his twink status. He
said it's really important to him. It said somebody on Reddit said that he
suffered twink death when he grew out his mustache and he said that comment
bothered him for about three weeks and so I'm here to tell Skeeter he no longer
looks like a twink. What can a guy do to continue that twink status? Is that
something that he yearns for? I mean he's going for that like dune guy right?
I forget his name. You remember that guy? Timothy Chalamet. Yeah he's going for the
Chalamet. Personally like I think I'm a little bit too fat and unattractive
to be a twink but like skater can pull it off so you know godspeed to him fantastic thank
you so much for that innovative one we're about to see a fight here we could see first
blood is it important if they get this first blood it's us getting first blood is it important
um yeah I think so I don't think we're gonna get it actually well too bad they're turning
around looks like they killed tofu how does that make you feel uh not incredible like
bad actively bad well as an empath I can tell that you're having a very good time
right now so let me go ahead and let you get to your team big old smiles we'll be back with you guys
let's head it over to our caster snare and mr. Lizard
well all we know mr. Lizard that we need to explore the twink meta both of us need to shave
you know in honor of skid we need to get back to the twinkie days the twink maxing era yeah we
need to lose a lot of weight though uh you know game one was an exploration between these two
teams of what is the cheesiest dragon dota this much more honest this is a nice
fair game who do you favor just looking at the draft at first hand at first hand
I gotta say Falcons I completely agree with the panel I feel like they're
seemed like eventually when it does come online is really strong but you know
what maybe liquid like blitz said they know them they know them real well and
they did allow them to have this position on monkey king that isn't
Truly skitter is best hero out there. So maybe there's a method behind the madness
Who's the who's who's drink maxing the most in this game of all these players our skitter for sure?
No way, dude. Imagine a tofu shaped. Okay
It's not the same though. Is it?
What is the same?
Tofu like a real pretty boy
Tofu is pretty for sure handsome, but skitter is like a twink
I will let us know in chat, you have to choose one twink, Tofu or Skeeter?
Tofu or Skeeter, one for Tofu, Tofu or Skeeter, there we go, there we go.
Well, Tofu is a man himself, right now playing on this tree and protector, should be able
to keep the Swin Ranger in pretty good stead, keep her falling, not really too much that
I'm expecting to happen to him, I mean there is some kill potential but tree is
always just so annoying, especially when you start with these boots.
He's playing another one of these protection-esque heroes, right?
Like this time around, a little bit more active in the lane, of course, because he can actually
right-click as well.
Last game with the Oracle was mostly defensive bot lane, hoodwink.
Not a damage on to Ekki.
Should end up falling here.
Skeeter will be the one to collect that kill, and an additional stack of intelligence
for sneaking.
And he was leaving armor, by the way, as well used to try and save the hoodwink,
but it didn't work out in the end, so another thing that you can't maybe use
mid or top if needed now. Speaking of this lane, you're not really a fan I know of the
off-lane Pangolier or how do you expect them to fare in this situation? On paper this is
a pretty good lane for Salliser and Monkey King and there is some strength of course
in the hoodwink hero but a lot of teams are just destroying all the trees by the
way. The same way the same thing that they did versus Triant in the previous patch
when he was absolutely busted they're also doing now to the hoodwink so there isn't
It's really a lot of opportunities to use the bushwack without akron shot, making the
hero a bit worse in the laning stage.
Overall, I expect Monkey and Sonser to do pretty well down bottom.
So if we had made a twin-git rotation, was maybe hoping that skier would advance further
in the lane, could come in for the pincer maneuver, but it's Monkey playing very carefully,
very safe?
Yep.
Because of that first kill on the hoodwink, the hard camp is blocked, so you couldn't
really mess with the lane equilibrium and instead is snaking the tits level 3 and gets the pull off.
Okay, we'll be able to get a D-Word here, locking off the small camp.
So another sentry will need to be ferried off for snaking.
Okay, can someone in the chat do the quick maths? Like this is a binary number in his nickname.
I did it for the previous time he had it and it was pretty dumb. He just had a...
It was also more or less in binary, but he had 67
That was a keys those are the numbers, but this is this the same
Isn't right the first one is is a one right so one plus two
How many so the power of what is the last one?
I'm sure there's some computer scientists out there in the chat that know this by heart, so
They'll solve it
I'm glad that Falcons have also solved the loan for a problem. It seems very easy to deal with if you just click the ban button
Top lane now that tofu's returned here. Mika is just farming freely
They don't really threaten the tide too much. So he's also doing this. You know what the last time we got here this morning
I noticed this Cinder and Sonsman are using ShadGPT actually while
Casting so why not just write that number down?
Give me a sec.
Alright, let me do the research.
It better be something amazing to justify this, you know?
There's a village in Africa that's not going to drink water for the next few days.
Because of the usage of this one query.
It's better be amazing, man.
I don't really need to judge VPT, I guess.
It's still 6'7".
I was worried that's going to be it, yeah.
Well, he should have just added another two.
Plus two of them.
Oh, okay, yes, yes, yes.
Just to make it nice.
One lane we haven't spoken about is the mid lane.
Nisha versus Maureen, Queen of Pain versus Sanking.
All that thought bottom.
Skeeter, Lugrnate dropped on top of him after these.
Will Swashbuckle came out, but...
Will not actually have enough damage.
Now they go back onto Eki, bound the strike.
A couple of right clicks.
They actually get the kill.
The question is, will Skeeter escape this?
ASSWASH in one second, Skeeter trying to choke him out here.
Just needs the one Q! Nice! Beautiful jump into the tree.
Skeeter manages to get out safely.
ASS waited a little while. He waited a little bit too long in the end.
It's a very volatile in the on-bottom. Like Sonser and Monkey are really not that weak.
Queen of Pain will be trying to at least steal a couple of these stacks.
But look at Sand King actually, TPing in.
Rubik is already here, might be able to get the telekinesis.
Fade ball first, telekinesis, there's gonna be a sonic wave from Nisha.
Just to push back these two heroes, allow Tofu to escape.
Not the worst, right? Like you do get the stack, like they stole a lot of them.
They zoned them away as well afterwards. Pretty solid work from Nisha and Tofu.
Nisha of course, we're most likely looking towards that bloodstone later.
build is soo strong.
It kind of replaces the casual Kassage build, of course Aghanim's as well, one of the most
impactful co-op items, like we'll see, like this Tiro, when we started, actually Queen
of Pain, M-Pango, when we started Valachia, where the hottest Tiro when it comes to
the mid lane, everyone was trying to get their hands on these two.
In this kind of a game, I think it's still pretty good, but you're playing into
a silencer.
So the game is a little bit harder, at least once Global is up, but Lane?
Mikae, who comes with the Twin Gate as well, okay, they managed to get the hit onto Skeeter,
Shackle Shot will be there as well, Bushwag called him in place to allow Aston Mikae
to finish him off.
It's the beautiful last second route.
You know what, it feels like the carries should be doing this a little bit more
often and they are starting to, like all these rotations, 3 minutes 10, to the
enemy tier one tower to the mid lane even. We have seen a lot of carries do that move as well.
I feel like in the last patch, it's not a new thing. It's not new tech. It was used before,
but in the last patch it was kind of forgotten. Nightfall was the only one really doing it.
Top lane at P. It was being triggered out, but Mikkei did manage to get into a deep enough
position in the trees. There's no blink dagger just yet for Malry, so he can't completely
Cross that distance
By being top though he is giving away relinquishing the rule control right Queen of being should be getting the next one as well
So arcane room for quap
Manager decide to make a move towards that side of the map right because
This sandstorm isn't as effective. That's taking towers as it used to be remember the patch where you had the miss chance from the tower
It was pretty silly for sent in players
And they're actually bringing in more resources, even TPing Snakey into the top lane.
They really want to get this tower and force Mickey away from here.
Amar has a Ravage and they know this.
We'll see if Liquid want to respond in numbers.
It's hard, right?
Like we talked about the teamfight that they have on Falcons and just going headfirst
into all of this is dangerous, Tofu.
Entry down onto the ground, Tofu, caught with the last word.
He will not die just yet, but with the blood grenade taking him out and a final anchor smash, Amar will collect his toll.
And so was Nekin, plus 2 for him this time around, so 5 stacks on the silencer, getting really close to level 6.
And their teamfight, more or less, with that global, will be completely activated.
Combat medal.
We just see Nisha in behind inside the radiant jungle, stealing as many of the stacks that
have been made as possible.
Rourin is still very close to having his blink dagger.
A couple hundred gold away.
Not too far at all.
Of course when you're playing this mid-sand king it's all about the agonist timing
as well.
It's not only about the blink, so we might see him farm a little while longer even
after the blink is done, although you can take some pick offs then.
I'll help them a lot though when the sanking does have that axe.
We do see a pango going for the mage layer or so.
There may be some kind of way to mitigate this magic damage.
A lot of damage mitigation by the way.
On one side, the mage layer on the other you were talking about, it's right earlier.
The fadebolt, the anchor smash as well.
Winranger, she's actually going to have to be very careful before she has BKB.
If she focus fires and it's in a position where she gets anchor smashed, gets fadebolted,
But there's like zero damage coming there, you know.
They're trying to invade with an Invisourum.
Okay, see if they can get away with this.
Now Rina's already used the sandstorm, has already used Barrow Strike.
They have no detection.
So they have to wait for this to be done with, and now they can maybe go for him.
We're gonna try, there's the root, there's the sonic wave, Scream of Pain has also been used up and tried enough damage!
Pushwax though!
BUSCHWACK though! Echie came through and Mikkei just decided from downtown to throw out the power shot. What a G!
My brain completely stopped working. I saw the BUSCHWACK and Hooming being there and then I saw the SHARP shooter also connecting.
I'm like, wait, what the hell? How did the SHARP shooter connect if he's still there? That's okay. Very nice connection by Mikkei.
We saw WITZ as well with the Windranger. We saw a couple of other players rotating on the enemy tier one tower just for a power shot.
Yeah, it can be very effective
Bottom, Skeeter will eat some damage from the Swashbuckle, Miichle is now complete for Ace
One of the benefits though of them having this Wim Ranger be forced out of lane up on top
They meant that snaking had to go there so that gave space for Ace to be able to farm up pretty freely on this pangolin, honestly
Yeah, he's been doing pretty well down bottom
Actually, they pressured the monkey a little bit harder than I initially expected.
And when you look at the network, it's actually in the bottom, they're going for Echo Saber first,
but not having really the best of times on the Monkey King just yet.
And I feel like this Echo Saber build is pretty solid.
In this kind of a game, I think that he can be a little bit sacrificial when it comes to his own farm.
farm. Eventually he will get it, but initially I think he just needs to create space for the
big teamfight to come over.
Eventually, when he does have all his items, he can just stand in front and his mere presence
on the map will buy space for the monkey.
Queen of Pain is actually going for a little bit of a different build. She's cute up
the Lotus Orb.
Okay, you are playing versus Silence, right? That's the main reason why you need
some sort of this spell. We have seen in the last couple of months a lot of
different players find different avenues of dealing with the silences from mid
storm spirits buying reefs even so Lotus is definitely an option for QOP.
You could also go for an earlier BKB of course but your options are always
Lotus, BKB and Jules. You don't really want Jules on QOP now the question is
like BKB or Lotus, he finds more value in the Lotus.
Can we have a fight breakout bottom? It's gonna be a blink, borrow strike directly on to Ekki, still alive for now on this hoodwink.
It's revealed, Bushwak stolen and sent back towards him.
Crick gets the kill on his counterpart.
Yeah, the range of Bushwak on Rupik by the way is absolutely massive.
Especially, I mean, doesn't even have a 8-row lens right now, but it's still pretty damn good.
In general, the range on Bushwak got increased on hoodwink, so it's still a very nice pull to steal.
Tofu, get ravaged by Amar.
You've seen this before from him that in the early portions of the game he is not afraid to just expend a spell for support.
But his team is still smoked up.
Is this the bait play? Like I used ravage, go on me.
But can they actually kill him? They're tipping in.
Aki's coming. Aki is going right back to where he came from though.
Amar.
What happens?
Maga, Amar, go back to where you came from.
The T1 tower should get taken down here.
No problems. Team Liquid have no desire to fight this just here.
Top lane? Okay, the wind run will run away in the end. The epicenter was being channeled.
So far, I would say Falcons have stabilized the game pretty nicely.
You could see that Liquid were trying to play really fast, like invading the triangle, playing on the enemy side of the map.
map, but these last couple of minutes have been more or less all Falcons, so we did manage
to recuperate. And right now if you're liquid, it is hard to fight, right? You are playing
into global. Even without Ravage, just the global alone is enough of a threat to negate
Queen of Pains presence, active presence at least.
Also to see Nisha on the other side of the map stealing the Wisdom Shrine from Falcons,
like he picked up the one for his own team, so Liquid's feeling very good about themselves
in the experience department and in the farm department.
Halfway towards Agatom Scepter for Ace, Mjolnir pretty much finished for Mikay, we're about
to have this Lotus Orb a couple minutes for Nisha.
Have Bling though, Bling Consent King, Global on Silencer, I would still say that 4 Falcons,
this is the time to not necessarily close out the map, but take a couple of towers,
They took the tier 1 top, tier 1 mid, tier 1 bottom is left remaining.
They're in no rush though. I feel like that's the power of Hawthorne's lineup.
I don't think they're there playing necessarily versus something that pressures them early
and the late game, on paper at least, if executed properly seems really damn strong.
There's the Mjolnir for Mjk.
Mjk V is gonna be the next item.
All of the anti-global tech
It needs to be built up by everybody on the side of Team Liquid.
Yep, some Lotus's dual sectors, we'll see what the support's by.
One of the strengths of the silencer of course is in fact that he's forcing you to buy items that you don't really want to buy.
Like, you don't want to buy a Lotus on co-op. It's not your natural build up, but you have to.
Let's see how Mars is going for his usual build. Consecrator wraps into Aghantim Sector.
He's done that every game he's played the tide, right?
right? I think more or less yeah agonimceptor is the one that you can change
but I mean even consecrated raps is it's like it depends from one type player to
another agonimceptor is pretty good here it gives you some extra vision I like
to like when you're playing the sand king you really like something that
can give you free vision and info in the backlines and just the gush alone
is most of the time good enough he showed middle you would be dead by now
now Reem was shooting up at epicenter this annoying little squirrel is
rodent as elusive as ever we'll be able to stay alive because of it
everybody's just farming farming farming farming so how many minutes you
people getting on this one? It strikes me as a game that will end earlier than 15
minutes like the last one we got the tier 5s I think we were already spoiled by
these two teams. Bottom lane, Maureen will be able to find a power strike on
Nisha but there is the living armor on top of him Nisha chilling sending out
the loader so it is compete now. And they have a lot of stuns that they
can stack up properly, chain together, but they have to be there, of course, in the same
place at the same time and for that to happen they need some mobility, specifically in Rubik
I would say.
He needs to be the one that follows up with the lift and for now he doesn't really have
a force staff or blink anything like that.
It's a really good Rubik game by the way.
There's a lot of cheap spells that you can steal but honestly just stealing blink
from Queen of Pain is more often than not just enough.
You know, just having this blink constantly.
Well, eventually you'll have Aghanim Scepter, then you can steal the Shadow Strike.
Blink and Shadow Strike can just cost play a crop of your own.
Why not?
Crit, we'll come across Ekky now.
Bushwack will be thrown in onto Crit.
Whoa!
Shrapshuder, they don't even need the Sonic Wave.
One battery of spells from Nisha, more than enough to kill off this Rubik.
He just planted the ward by the way in the reverse so he had a very good vision on Rubik
which Rubik did not have as it's night time.
It should be the ward though.
Well, although we're killing off the Rubik, Skeeter did finish off his desolator so we'll
not be surprised to see once Rubik returns to the fray that they try to do something with
this desolator, stack up those charges as early as possible.
He's got that call.
Desolator.
There are a thousand gold away from having the full agonism sent king as well.
I feel like they're kind of happy with that score.
We're gonna try to force a fire top lane.
80Center goes out with the ravage as well.
Nikkei extremely low.
He's gonna end up being brought down by the gush.
Now of course the question is,
can Amar escape from this position?
He slowed down by Nisha on top of him,
but he's so damn tanky.
He's going back in.
He's gonna come through with the rolling thunder.
And he actually gets it stolen by Crypt.
He's gonna go back onto the far side
looking towards this Queen of Pain.
They've put him with the follow strike.
They need to hit him again with the other spin,
But no, Tofu interrupts the play by just throwing out the massive roots.
Swashbuckle ends up killing off Crit on the far side of the fight.
Jump forward, Skeeter gets off the root calls, come on.
Klegel's silence will be there as well.
Gush to bring down Ace, slow him down, take away his armor.
He gets away with the Swashbuckle, but he's getting healed up by Tofu.
Amar runs out of damage, gets pushwacked instead, but he's still just not dying.
Ace, Roots is there.
Can he come back with the Swashbuckle? He can.
They cancel him out with a root from Tofu, Ace delivers the damage and Amar will finally fall.
Liquid, they're just a team that is so good at making most out of a pretty bad situation,
like you start that fight 4 against 5, your Windranger is absolutely eliminated.
Even the pango roll gets stolen, right? But heads up play by Nisha, the Sonic Wave,
he used it before Rubik was even there and it's caught him while rolling. Top lane again.
Going back onto Mikkei, I'm getting some deja vu right now, but it's Skeeter that's here this
time around. Boundless Strike, bottom up damage to kill. Mikkei activates the focus fire and
just rips through Malrin! And the tips of course instantly going kids away. They tried,
they tried sending him back to the fountain the same way once again. This time around of
Of course, no ravage.
The hero is still pretty silly when it comes to the DPS it can output at this early on in the game, just the Mjolnir, nothing else.
We could try to exploit this timing by smoking up with Ekki and Nisha.
Crit did show for a moment through middle, they are pinging him out.
We're gonna see how this all will happen again.
Nioh is so close to dying, look at his HP then.
There's the shackles as well, right? They're helping out.
The HP he was on. Oh my goodness.
They got crit'ed. Meantime, by the way, on the mid lane.
This is like, we have praised the teamfights from Falcons, right? Like it's pretty, pretty strong.
They have a lot of circles, a lot of AOE DPS. However, those kind of spots usually have
a pretty long cooldown to their name as well, right? And Liquid, that's something that perhaps
they can abuse and exploit if they play the game fast enough.
Just got another scary item as well. Tofu just picked up his blink tiger so blink
overgrowth is now on the cards. We saw in that previous fight that happened where
Mika did die, how much value the overgrowth can bring to these team fights.
Now Falcons already again. All their cooldowns are back. They want to try
something. Smoke up on three. Amar is also heading in the same direction.
Aghanim's right, Sand King Ags. Pretty big difference maker when it comes to the damage
output of Falcons.
Looks like Ekki will be the one to draw this. Funny enough they didn't go onto the high
ground and on the triangle Nisha it just blinked. So if they had gone onto him here
they would have had no way out. Ekki will gladly die. It means that Nisha doesn't.
But he might not even lose his own life here.
Monkey, he did scout him.
He does.
He did scout and he did manage to get off the push recto.
A-Quantarot is stolen.
He's still scarring.
Hecky, trying to run.
Blood grenade.
Just to slow them down.
The bombless misses.
The gash does connect, however.
So eventually my man will die,
but dude, hashtag worth if I'm the hoodwink there.
Absolutely.
It's so much space.
You basically forced four heroes
under a tier two tower of their own.
We thought there is a tormentor ready and available for them, so maybe they can after all make
this ridder well.
They get the kill and they get the shard after.
Unfortunately, because the boundless and all of Skeeter's attacks missed, he doesn't
get a castle strike.
He was bad, man, didn't he?
True.
They will get the snaking shot, so bouncing glaives.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, out of the two shards, probably that 100% they didn't luck out.
The shard on Rubik is very good.
I think it's one of those shards that you can even think about buying most of the time early on.
Out of the ladder, at least.
I can knew exactly what he was doing.
He had a smile on his face as you were saying that.
Absolutely.
Pudwink is that kind of a hero, right, like most of the time, if you are dying, you will be wasting a lot of time.
Skari is a pretty neat spell to have.
Smoke up on Liquid. Mikae, part of this as well, has a full BKB complete with the Crystallis.
Love to be able to find somebody, but Falcons staying disciplined, staying on their part of the map, playing underneath their own vision.
At this point, they can probably blow a target up, right?
Like with Windranger, with Cristalus, with a focused fire.
If you smoke up and go for a fight and initiate first, I think that's a very big, important aspect of the fight.
You can get kills, but the Falcons are smoking.
See if they can find anybody.
Anisha is ahead of them, but they're gonna go towards where Ekki is.
No way, dude, if he dies again, wasting a lot of their time, that'll be the best thing for him.
Eventually the smoke will wear off. Tofu, he sees them, he breaks it, he blinks away, they dust as well and they do not catch him, he's still fine.
Okay, no link done there. Ace comes through, wants to turn this into a fight that's favorable for Liquid. They're gonna throw out the focus fire, Tide has been the one left behind.
Shackle shot, solar. A sonic wave rather, they end up killing him off, there's no Tide, everybody else has to run.
They want more, they're still chasing, they have overgrown Blink.
Blink. He has an amplified damage root as well. There we go. Blink forward, overgrows from Tofu. They catch out Mal'Reen. They have the reveal for him.
He is going to try to get himself away. Shackle shot would be very long extension. Global silence is forced out just to try and buy space and time for Mal'Reen.
They do end up getting, he's getting the kill onto Crit, but Mal'Reen cannot escape either. He loses his life.
As Mikkei popped the BKB, able to chase him down.
Skeeter inside the Wukong's command.
How much further can he go? How much longer can he fight?
The answer is not much longer.
He dies surrounded by liquid heroes.
They get full for nothing. They force them to use Wukong,
force them to use the Global, and they don't lose a single hero.
You know, these woodland critters are just breaking their ankles.
I feel like this game is being won.
If you try a smoke, you have so many big spells that you want to use,
but you cannot like on one side of the forest there's three and scouting you on the other there's a hoodwink if you
If you try and catch them they just blink away or hide through the trees
It's a very annoying not only the game but series for Falcons
lasting versus laundry it now they have to deal with this shit like it's I
Rather deal with this though
This is annoying
I'm still an agonist, enjoyer. I think it has value for Windranger and Mikkei is the only
one I feel like that they're still buying it, right? Out of all the carry Windrangers,
everyone moved away from it. I have two hot takes. The other one isn't as hot. I think
dragon is good on her and I even though Largo is picked I still think it's a
garbage here right now. It's winning some games.
Need to start our team instead of no Tidehunter no Largo. No Largo yeah.
No Largo. No Largo. Nishanar has a lot of progress towards this BKB. We'll have it fairly shortly.
I must say we haven't really seen Falcons be able to win that one big
Decisive teamfight where they use all their spells and team liquid are completely unable to respond to it
They're trying to do so again, but we have a smoke on both sides
Eki gonna be the first one out Skidow will scout him
There's gonna be the power strike and only connect on to Eki yet again the hoodwink will die
But throughout the epicenter for it
And has buyback by the way, I'm not even sure if he's
Forstle even use it can they do rush fast enough? I don't think so
What happens with that?
Goodness, that was a quick response from Liquid.
It was, but the stun missed and even if you connect on the stun, I feel like that fight
isn't really yours to take. You're breaching high ground, you don't really have a lot of vision,
so it's super hard to initiate, and after all you don't have epicenter, right? Like you just wasted
one of your biggest toolties. Okay, one thing needs to be said. They need a blink of tide,
and I clicked it, he is curing it up. It's obvious that they need some extra follow-up or some
extra initiation, because the way that they're playing right now just isn't working.
getting a hoodwink or getting a tree and it's never satisfying when you use a
big ult. Yeah definitely not good enough. Aegis now in the hands of Mikkei. So Aegis,
BKB agonies which just got completed building into the Daedalus. We also just
got the BKB for the Queen of Pain. Okay so you have two ways now like you
can deal with the global even if you use the bkb or lotus vice versa disperser
eventually will come on the pangolier by the way he only needs around a thousand
five hundred gold moors and you will have it everything coming together like
every single hero is getting something to deal with it right the only hoodwink
isn't you have grieves on tree and by the way pretty rich boy money bag tofu
This is the bonus and goal you get when you're a twink.
Yeah, twink max money.
Twink max money.
Here we go.
That's his rapper name.
Twink max.
Nisha.
Just letting Malrin know, hey man, it's not going to be easy.
Bottom bottom, they do lift back, okay.
Get the shackle shop out.
They're going to focus fire out onto this Rubik.
But like you said, at the same time, they are going in
and they bring down Malrin.
And he does die, but bottom A is now able to get off
the rolling thunder.
They're turning towards Amar.
He does have Ravage, but who do they even go on? Where's the bonus damage?
Nikkei still just throwing in these right clicks. Amar will eventually Ravage, but the Swashbuckle still does so much damage, he's still gonna die here.
Amar goes down, now re-TPs in, does have the epicenter available, only able to get it onto Tofu, and even Tofu might not die for this.
Eventually he does. Boundless Drive from Skeeter will remove the Aegis from play, as Ace does kill off Snaking, but can he escape from this?
Well, he doesn't have to worry about escaping, it's an action, he's Skeeter!
This BKB will not protect him, Mickey just does so much right-click damage, team Liquid.
They have to give up an Aegis, but across the map they still end up wiping 4.
Keep in mind that they fought 2 fights, right? They fought one on top and one on bot lane.
On the top lane fight, one of the bigger reasons why they couldn't clean up from Falcons is they didn't have Wukong's command.
It was already used on top.
Well, when Sand King was dying, that's a pipe, I keep that in mind as well.
That's for buyback because he died on the tier 2 on top lane and now he's hunted again.
Misha, you're falling apart on Falcons.
Right on top of him.
Does that have a veil as he falls for the bonus damage?
Of course he follows, it's Misha.
He's gonna go in for this, but you'll miss the sonic wave.
That's not supposed to be happening.
And he gets tipped for it. However, at the same time,
Cripp just gets brought down on the bottom side of the map
because Miki and Ace are not playing any games.
got tier 2 on the mid lane perhaps, the next stop for Liquid
it's an 18k gold lead, Valkyrie is just getting demolished
I hate to say it but Blitz might have been right about the Skid of Monkey King, we're
just not really seeing the impact that we normally get from the carry monkeys
I wasn't commenting that one just yet but very little impact from the Monkey King
Absolutely. The way he was joining fights as well and when he was joining them, there's always
something ready. It's like he isn't as comfortable on Monkey King as he is on most of his heroes.
Look, well, this is happening. They're also fighting on the top lane. So you don't have to be
afraid of this amazing teamfight composition if you're not necessarily teamfighting them.
You're teamfighting them, but in two different places.
oh boy this is not looking good and I'm are I mean you can get the temptation to
want to ravage it but he had to know that he was gonna die relying very much
on his team to come in for the cleanup
Fuck this, what the? I have no respect for this guy.
This fucking bitch.
Oh, it's him.
Damn.
Damn, yeah.
That was, that was something.
Wow, that certainly was something.
Back in real life, Skidder dying again inside his own Wukong.
Mickey's just killing him.
They are snatching his twin credibility right away from under his eyes.
He is dead again.
Malrinit, he's able to get the epicenter back onto Mickey.
But there's not enough damage, Mikkei though, he might be damaged now as Amar has shown up, brings in the anchor smash, Mikkei does die, long lost, ace, him and Mikkei,
for him and Nisha want to at least punish Malry for going this deep into the fight, managed to do so, Amar forced back into the base, his rivals just came back of cooldown but there's absolutely nobody to help him, four heroes dead again.
A huge difference maker in this fight for Radiant, even though they lost it, was pretty obvious, right? Like the BKB on Sand came, everything changes.
when you can actually sit in that sandstorm and just constantly dish out the damage of the stuns,
however, 21k behind, I feel like that BKB needed to be there a little bit earlier in the game.
Bloodstone now of course, completed on Queen of Bane. Out of all the additions to Cobb's builds,
these are the two that I like the most, the Bloodstone that is being added to the casual
build, and sometimes, once in every game, they aim on this, like a very early aim on this
is also really nice. In this game you don't really need it, and you don't want it because
you have BKB and Lotus as well. It would be way too defensive, but Nisha is doing a lot
of work.
We haven't really spoken that much about Ace, but he's also having like an incredible
case in himself. He might be able to bring down Snake King here, Tofu will help him
out. Well Tofu will steal the kill, but as long as Snake King is dead, he's
7-0 and 10 on the pangol. Nisha 7-0 and 11. What the hell is happening?
On the pangol here I feel like the whole game he was pretty chill, you know he
didn't show face way too many times but when he did it was impactful and he
didn't lose the lane. I think that's one of one of the reasons why you want to
pick monkey is because he is one of those heroes that can dominate a lot of
lanes speaking of monkey. Oh no monkey needs to get out of here trying to TP
out but Mickey is on the other side with the shackle shot. Damn Mickey
He must have really meant it when he said he doesn't respect this guy, always just finding him in the most awkward positions.
The wording might have been a little bit different, a little bit harsh, but I agree, yeah.
He's 25, by the way, already on the Winter Ranger.
He's got Daedalus and almost the Satanic completed as well.
Like, how do you even kill him after the Satanic?
By the way, you know when Mamanque was moving to What's Up?
You know what happened just before he died?
He lost his courier with his demonage and he's trying to finish the NKB.
So everything that could possibly go wrong is going wrong for Skeeter in this game.
Valgans need to try and figure out something special.
Are there any items on the horizon that can make a big difference?
Is the refresher being built up by the tide but still a lot of time to go before you receive it?
He's sitting on 2.6k gold, so it's realistic that he will complete it, and I think that's maybe the most impactful
and the only impactful upcoming item from them. Of course the Monkey King bar that you mentioned as well,
but it truly feels like it's down to a mark to change the state of this game with the refresher,
because even with the Monkey King bar, there is a Scythianic now, complete from Windranger. You're still not killing her.
Snae at this point is just proving to be food time and time again.
He just shows for a second. So easy for them to kill him.
Overgrowth into a food, catching up the rubric.
Does have the shot, so lifts himself forward.
Ace though, doesn't care about it, still wants to get into the base.
Rolling through him.
Are they gonna keep going? Shackle shot was thrown as well.
Power shot misses.
But holy unnecessary, he still end up with a dead crit.
Every center, every center farrow, everything missed.
And there are rabbit misses as well,
but there's double PKBs on these cores.
They've already killed off Malrin, a mother about to die as well to these right-glicks.
He goes down, Skeeter can do almost nothing.
He GGs out and Team Liquid have absolutely dominated game two.
They've sent Falcons down to the lower bracket.
The panel, me, myself included, we really saw the teamfight coming from Falcons and expected more.
But the way that Liquid played was fantastic versus a big teamfight composition.
One thing that they did is they kept the line very thin like they were all over the map never really connected
Completely together, but ready to help each other out if a big team fight spell was used every single time epi or ravage
We're wasted they bounced back they bounce back in incredible fashion team liquid
Dominating here in game two Shiva. What are you in the gang? Think about this game?
This was quite the difference from game number one and
And Twerzy is very dominant, of course, from Team Liquid with some strong words from Mikkei,
but it kind of summarized how he was able to play this game, I think, Lacoste.
Mikkei was locked in. That's another player right there, you know, being a bit vocal, leading the team.
He felt that he was strong in this game, and I really liked the fact how they were playing,
understanding that with a lot of these big teamfight alties, all they have to do is wait,
like don't, like don't go anywhere up until we have our items available,
Lotus or Punquap, the Spell as well coming out from your carry, so going for a BKB and then Disperser as well,
so they're just trying to get a pick, I was trying to force bad ravages as well,
so this silencer kind of felt useless in this game.
Yeah, I mean it's also, you know, liquid identifying with the lack of damage that we saw in 1000's lineup,
it's between your Sion King with a Blink Dagger, maybe the Death Lich on the Monkey King,
and if you just keep fighting, big cooldown lineups.
If you're the one initiating on top of them, they're using Ravage defensively, global defensively.
Like you mentioned with the Lotus, the BKB and Queen of Pain, you can brush it off.
I think Liquid has identified how to perfectly beat what it looks like quite a slow looking lineup,
but you really need to kind of get items online to hold your position and Liquid did not allow
any of that to happen.
Just throw the game down.
That was indeed the exact example of it.
Yeah, I mean there was like a small window in the game where Falcons were like
getting a little bit you know we can go dive towers at a Mars dime behind like a
tier 2 like yeah there was some glimpses of like aggression from Falcons but
Liquid pounced it so quickly that you just felt like Falcons just couldn't do
anything like all of these clips it's Liquid doing this, Liquid doing that, the
netwap as well. I pretty much the entire time Liquid have all core scaling.
I like the fact that Liquid just feels like they have identity how to win a
game we saw it in game number one where they knew even though it was like 10 12
K goal lead they didn't care too much about it they knew with what they have
with the drafts they have they can kind of easily still win the game if they're
not making mistakes and the normal real mistakes were made in that one and
that even though it was a longer game especially in this one they kind of
rolled over Falcons I just really want to see a future matchup of
potentially liquid versus Aurora just for the fact that they have very
different reads on Windranger. You see here, Mickey had the axe in his inventory. We had
an interview with Nightfall saying that he doesn't like the item at all, and then we have
Mickey utilizing it in multiple different games with the speed discouraging. Again, some
people don't like it because they don't think it provides damage, but the way that Mickey
uses it, it just... I feel like it's kind of cool.
It's nice. It's like perma haste. It goes up to 640 movespeed. So once you use the
focus fire you're moving constantly at 640 move speed without even using win
run with her innate ability now just zoom in and zoom in out very hard to
catch. Yeah someone also who was zooming in and zooming out was the Hootwink as I
believe Eki is right now starting by with Slacks for Winning Interview. That's
all yes we are here with Eki. Thank you so much Shever. A beautiful throw
I appreciate you. Eki welcome to the interview my friend you gotta be
feeling pretty good after that you just became Falcons baby. Yeah I'm feeling pretty
good. I mean, that was a, it was a hype series. It was fucking fun.
Absolutely. Game one was a little bit slow, if you may. And obviously you guys were
probably not that big of a fan until we got past the 30 minute mark, right?
Yeah, it's a laundry door moment. But I think we're pretty strong, but like,
we have a lot of droids, so we got to slow down, but it's a yes. You know,
we knew the game plan. We knew how it, how it looks with the LD.
Absolutely. And it was played to excellent execution. Whereas we get a little
nervous there. I know when the late game happens, typically Team Liquid does a fantastic
job of getting their stuff together and getting back into that game. You got to witness that
first hand as a substitute here at this event. So can you tell us a little bit of what that
was like as someone that's not typically in that situation?
I mean, for me, I don't know. I don't really feel any nerves. I just have this mindset
where I know what I have to do in the game. I'm hyper focused on myself and I'm
just enjoying doing that. I don't know. We're like cracking jokes every 10 seconds is like
kind of vibe. I know it's like an official, but it's like so serious, but it's also like
so fun and we're playing so good. So it's just kind of vibes. I don't know.
Wow. I can tell the, uh, the, you're radiating just a beam of happiness right now. Get
again to that series. So that's really cool to see. Let's talk a little bit about
game two. Now I chose you because I have to pick the player that I think did the
best in it. Unfortunately, the panel chose Mickey. Yeah, right. But he did
have some really interesting comms in that one we got a chance to pop into some of your
team comms and I believe the quote was I don't respect this effing guy I'm going in on him
I'm going to kill this guy is this a weird calm out of the game or was that mostly the comms
that is like the most average Mickey come I've ever heard of my life but yeah I mean I don't know
it's like it's like it brings your energy up you know you're like yeah let's get up yeah so
it's kind of like I respect them okay well good good but let's talk a little bit about your
performance. That was really, really fun to see you on the hoodwink. A very popular hero,
but you seem to play it very well, especially against a guy like Crit. That's a signature hero.
So can you tell me a little bit about that pick? Was that you saying I want to play hoodwink?
Was that them saying, can you play hoodwink? How'd that come to be?
I mean, it's, it's Dota. It's like you had Jakiro Warlock last patch. Now you have
hoodwink rubric on plus four. It's like, you just kind of exchange them, trade them
where it is. Sometimes there's some differences between them. I can't really get into it.
it's trade secrets but you know but I think yeah Hoodwink Rubik super super focused super good on
me it's just like probably played better in the Rubik game than the Hoodwink game but you know it
is what it is. I feel like Hoodwink is the type of hero you just do your job you press the stun
you make the calls like I'm just like with Nisha on the sidelines doing some bullshit it's like
that's all you gotta do it's a simple hero. Well it's absolutely fantastic to see an esports
player that's so happy so thankful for being here and just seems like they're having a hell
the time so appreciate you taking the time man any words out there you have a
lot of new fans coming out from this tournament you know you're one of the
liquid crew what would you like to say over there to all the new ek fans I'll
go go ham go support us we're fucking owning we're we're making it guys
finals yeah the production alright we're making it the finals that is the
team liquid shit that they would never say on the main team they're
cowards but this guy's a gigachat we're gonna see more from you and for
Team Liquid coming up, back to you guys on the panel.
Full positive energy from Ekki, well-deserved.
This is a nice 2-0, of course.
And coming in as a starting 4-team liquid,
I'm sure the pressure is on the cost,
but he's taking it like champ.
Oh, yeah, he's a real champ.
Every single time we see him on camera,
I just love the energy.
And Boxy probably out there, maybe
he wasn't that good of an idea to take the break
and think how well Ekki's playing.
Oh, poor guy.
I think the good thing with Ekki is, you know,
you can see he just loves the game.
Yes.
like he's been one of those players where it's like he's been on teams off teams and liquid whenever when they need to stand in
They always give it to the guy who like should be shining who should be on a team
I think eckey's like he's doing his job now that when he does you know get boxy back on the roster
I think some teams won't be looking at him going we want this aggressive little four player that runs around the map and his
Vocal yeah some teams need that right yeah, I mean well when you have a guy who's doing every single interview
That's what Dota players don't like to do as well, just throw him in.
Take him as a media guy on top of that.
Yeah, that will work wonders.
Of course, Ekikam rests a little while and he doesn't know yet who he has a chance to be tomorrow
because that's still up for the bake.
We have one more series left to be played out.
Stay tuned. It's BethBoom versus Spirit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, close it.
Watch me, the my enemy.
Oh, they fucked up, they fucked up, they fucked up!
I killed him, I killed him, I killed him.
I got him, I got him, I killed him, I killed him.
They cannot fight, they cannot take...
I might take a damage, but you know...
I'm getting me for some reason.
I can't do... I can't do...
I don't know what's...
Oh, what are you doing?
I backed out at the perfect level.
So, I'll kill someone.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Lucky for him
You do
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Batman team spirit waiting to go
head to head in a best of three
to decide which one of these two
teams will continue in the upper
bracket on which team will drop
down to the lower bracket. And
days of the group stage with a 3 and 2 record that boom they have a little bit
more of a luxurious position they came through the group stages three and oh
and Tegov that is highly unusual yeah we had a little bit of a deep dive into
history of BB because then at Valahia it's normally like oh they barely made
it through their groups right look at Valahia one they went to three in the
Swiss they didn't make it they didn't participate in two three or four but
But then when you look at season 5, 6 and 7, they had to go all the distance in the Swiss
stage.
They did win.
Flaher 5, they got top 4 and 3rd place in the following Vlaher, so they had really impressive
results when they do get out of the Swiss stage.
But to see them 3-0, that is not meant to happen.
No, I mean they only played 7 matches so far and they're sitting at 86% win rate,
so they dropped only one game.
I would say that this is the best looking team for me so far in the tournament.
We haven't seen like the most, all because they played very low amount of games,
but they looked rock solid in pretty much every single match.
Drafts are on point.
I also liked the interview with Karrotage that he did have,
like just showing a lot of personality as well,
and also, you know, comparing it to some other carry players
that they did have on the team.
Joyful fella.
Yeah, I feel like he's got the energies that you want to see from a carry player and you know
We'll see if he can become you know, the best guy or he said night falls the best guy, but not at this event
Yes, that's what he said and he didn't put himself in the top
We don't know if he meant it's because he is or it's because satanic is because we asked him about satanic versus nightfall
And he left it ambiguous whether it was him that's at the top today or whether it is knife or well
I guess the good thing for him is you have pVision Aurora already in the upper
bracket to me finals if he wins today then all three of them are progressing
further into tournaments but at some point we will very quickly get an answer
as they fight up against each other. They will go up against each other in the
valley of your screen right here we should talk about save for a second
because one here in particular stands out Lacoste. Yeah save Rubik for a good
reason this is one of his most played heroes as well and it's fitting in
nicely. We just heard Eki talk about Rubik Hoodwink. He's owning and you can see some of the builds he
did with every single match on Rubik as well. But the essence distiller, this is the item of the patch
pretty much when it comes down to Rubik because it does allow you to track someone. Basically you
have true sight of an enemy for eight seconds and it does allow you to steal better spells in the
fight plus also getting the Etherlands on top of that which doesn't upgrade into anything but
still feels good on Rubik as like second third item just to keep the distance and get the good spells stolen
definitely hero I think they'll see in high contention in the series and to be honest
especially also the way Ekki talked about it probably a lot of other series to come as well
save often regarded as one of the best position fours but Rue is in the top there as well
take off how do we feel about team spirits form because they are not just playing with
their full roster they have a stand-in they have Batjuk and he has shined, shown, shown
yeah that's yeah yeah I thought I'd just leave you hanging for a second for a while
and he has also shown good performance yeah and he has shown good performance and he shined
in his own anyways um no I feel like you can see the kind of the the growing pains right
we're adding back to the roster from the offlane I think in the online tournament
they played it was kind of average coming into Velahir they won uh you know against
Vici Gaming 2-1, they then lost to Falcons 2-1, they lost to Gaming Legion, like, sure they had the
glow-up later down the line against Navi and XG to escape the Swiss stage, but you can really feel
that they are kind of still understanding, like, how to integrate Batyuk to Rosta, but luckily,
I thought, like, as you mentioned, Rue, he is always such a consistent fall position.
The lanes have been a bit volatile, but at least Rue's hero pool is simplifying, I think,
Batyuk's addition to Spirit. Yeah, that is for sure, and we have got maybe a limited
hero pool but it doesn't stop us from letting you guys know what the most effective picks.
Yeah for BedBoom team it's going to be a lot of hundred percenters because they dropped only one
match but you can definitely tell the way they want to be playing. They are forcing out this
lich pick so far at Valakia they picked it twice but also in the previous tournaments they are
understanding that this hero gives them all very good laning. You are denying the
the gold creep, the bounty creep as well, and silencer. I think this is going to be the key
hero of the series as well, even though we saw it lose just now. Five matches coming out
from Team Spirit, and also a bit of a different mix coming out from them. Yattaro playing these
late game carriers, going for the terror blade as well. I know you're a big fan of
Queen of Pain. You want to be seeing that hero quite often, which-
Love it.
Yeah.
Just the new build.
I actually do. I know you say it in somewhat of a sarcastic way.
No.
big queen of pain and joyer yeah I am usually sarcastic as well but I love
quap. Okay, you guys are looking at each other. It's a good hero right? I think you over complicated.
We made a good one. We agreed with it. That's handling. Move on then. We got Spirit on the
radiant side, Metro on the side. We already slard our lone druid out, of course, Alchemist
out as well. The Rubik we talked about is also out with Bear Rider being usual shadow demon as a
first-phase ban, not so usual. Fucked me about that one. Yeah, so of course I respect towards, you
know, save the lad that we have just spoke about. The win rate not looking too good, but
the way that BB utilizes their supports, when you have one, just one save in the team to
prolong fights, to skirmish, to run towards ruins, to contest wisdoms, it helps quite a
a lot, I think that's what SD can excel at in the right hands. BB have shown that and
I am a little worried for spirit because Panther has played 5 science of games in a row. Like
does he know how to play other heroes now? Has he just got used to pressing like two and
a half buttons throughout the game?
It's still in the pool.
That's my fear. Like what if BB takes it? Like Panther, and he's impressing Global
for 5 games in a row. Like I hope he's been playing some other great heroes in
his pubs just to make sure.
Compared to Katomi, who has like different heroes, like Katomi Bane always was good, he played it as a position 4, his Winter Vibrant is a menace as well, he did play it the once, he did bring out the Crystal Maiden as well, so a bit of a different heroes that he's bringing to the table, and want to see how Sprit is going to be responding to this, there's still Pango available, but Pango also a lot of the times into beast doesn't feel as good, but sometimes you might need to take a hell.
So for now, it's just going to be tiny for Spirit.
The main thing, and I will repeat it on any series that I cover for BV is respect the fact that mid lane is a major focus for GPK.
And you are going to have these rotations. It means that you have strong side lane supports that will go for the fight.
You already mentioned Lich, Crystal Maiden, even Wyvern with Arctic Burn relatively strong in the lane.
When the 5-6 minute window of the game opens, it will just be a major heat map on the mid lane.
This is our bedroom place. They love to bring the numbers. I did mention it the other day where they kind of bring three
Heroes to the mid lane every single time sometimes you'll see Miero being the fourth hero as well six seven minutes in
Ready to rotate ready to just outnumber the opponents and I've been enjoying the type of Dota
They've been playing their back to their own roots playing super aggressive Dota as well
What not too many mistakes in the like mid game you always seen them like have an amazing time
I also gotta mention GPK. I was checking some of the numbers
He's not in top five for any of the like KDAs or anything
Which is a bit of an odd one considering like how well he was playing every single
LaLakia so far like he was always breaking records always being in that like top three when we talk about how good he was
There was a good patch that where he just broke pretty much every single record. Yeah
He's having a quieter. Yeah
Even though the stat line is good with a spree, it's kind of more muted.
Maybe it's more because other players on the team are shining,
because then it kind of equals out, right?
One thing to note with the Beastmaster on BB,
the last two times they played it, Miro has gone for Helm of the Overlord.
Yes.
From the Offlane.
He hasn't gone for Helm of Dom into Agniens.
Some offlanings do.
He has fully committed to the Overlord, which I don't mind,
but you need to, if you're picking it and itemizing it like this,
you have to play through him.
You get helmet done, you want to take the enemy safe in the tower.
He gets Overlord, you want to break into the map.
I don't want to see BB drift away from the Beastmaster.
I want to see them play through it.
I spray it.
You know, they do pick the silencer, now it's the sixth game in the row for Panto,
but he has to press R.
Yeah, it's not a first pick material hero,
but it feels good on 13-14 to pick it up out of the phase.
Tiny, however, against the Beastmaster, you have status resistance against Beast,
which is going to be good.
It's also a hero that becomes insanely tanky.
You can also build in to S and Y if necessary, have extra bit of a status resistance just to be very difficult to control.
And we saw Tiny just do well pretty much in every single match, Tiny just looks very, very good.
Yeah, I'd like to think that the silencer is picked because you have the Tiny in that safe lane.
Silencer into Zoo is a really weak lane.
You hate things, sometimes you hate your tower getting pressured.
It's always like the counter, you want to see it, you go, okay, I pick, you know, Beastmaster like.
even enigma for the lane shore in the game Black Hole Fools awkward but just breaking the early game
any zoo feels good so I think spirit of course respect that hence why the tiny pick is in play
to stand his ground you don't really need help in a tiny lane but that is one thing to note if
tiny suddenly moves towards mid lane you find the new carry as if it can't play into the
Beastmaster Spirit may have some problems early niche yeah and I like against silencer just
Just having like explosive damage or heroes that once they've initiated it doesn't matter if they're global
We saw it in the liquid series right the focus fire the rolling funder
You could argue that just the same thing you throw a chain for us in a fight global comes through you have to disengage from the chain
Frost or kite away
Whilst your enemies global it can feel quite awkward. Yeah, and I was also checking
Good, I think the last five games or he played lecture in two different tournaments is
He was the one that was maxing out his Nuke and Sinister Gaze as well, so like one valuable point in the shield early on
because it doesn't scale as well, it gives you one extra second duration, it gives you extra 5% on top of that.
But it's all about the Nuke, like this is why the hero is good, the hero has been nerfed,
but it seems like we found a way, especially with the sacrifice,
it starts from the second minute, so you can't do it straight away, but every single time you are
kind of removing 150 gold if you think that they're gonna be killing the
flag bearer creep you're getting almost 150 gold but looks really good I'd say
that sound that that that lich in most of the games looked pretty solid I was
trying to search lich when lipopedia and just started typing lich it's okay
there we go that's why we're quiet oh ring monster we ring off is really good
Having a skatepack into all of the single targets that BB has is going to be the main component.
Even against the chain frost, the magic resist is going to help out.
So I think just counter play is everything Spirit has right now.
Global, a skatepack, tiny from invisibility, just avalanche tossing once they show themselves.
It's quite a scary looking lineup.
Another reactionary hero.
Spirit is going, please, cross the river.
Come find us. You'll kind of regret it if you don't kill us instantly.
It also gives them protection against potential...
Like you talked about Lycan, these Zoo Heroes, Beastmaster maybe from the Offlane.
It gives you protection against both of the supports so they can hug Underlord
if they did want to go for that route but seems like they don't want to
to because you can also fight around Tiny, just hug each other and it's going to feel good.
And Life Stealer on 18, we've seen that quite a lot as a response to Tiny. It's a hero that just
doesn't die as easily, builds into Radiance, builds into Mantis-style naturally against Bit of
Malice, against the Silencer as well, and it's a percentage-based damage. And we saw Tiny the
other day having 5000 plus damage, so Life Stealer. Even though the hero has been nerfed,
it's not like, oh, we're going to straight up first pick him. It's a very good pick here.
Also, you buy Radiance, you can buy Manta, you don't mind buying BKB as well in the hero
to have so much debuff immunity.
You don't care about anything else.
Because their damage is slow.
Ringmaster Silencer and Firestorm, this is not the damage that you are afraid of when you're playing Life Stealer.
Burst damage from Tiny, from Silver Edge with some kind of a follow-up.
So I want to see what the mid-hero for Team Spirit is going to be.
Is there an argument that you put the Tiny's mid lane and you find a new carry to at least
try and outscale the Life Dealer?
Because Tiny carry under an off lane.
If you put a playmaker on the mid lane that also can't really threaten the Life Dealer,
you might run into a problem like you're mentioning.
Is there a chance Windranger gets Flexed mid?
I know GPK plays it, but save at the moment I'm thinking it's a Windranger for save.
The Flex potential seems pretty strong.
It could be there, but because of save I wouldn't mind just seeing it in the
4 position is one of the better players that can showcase even with all the
changes to the hero and losing facets and whatnot. I mean you can see from spirit
with the band's day they respect GPK just initiating and finding a way to start
the fight. I kind of think that's what they need. Yeah I'd like to see
some ember potentially for pit boom team just to have that mage layer bar
there's a lot of spell damage tiny is a hybrid type of a carry but also
reducing some of it. It's good against both of the supports as well. So we'll see if he's
going to be going for it. But yeah, Queen of Pain is still available as well. It could, like we saw
the itemization in the previous game, Rush, Lotus Orb from Nisha. It felt good. And then you get
like your big item, Magnum Scepter. Then you can pick up a BKB, have multiple ways of dispelling
things. And it's also an infest bomb for Leistor. Just something that can go in.
I I mean it's not a playmaker. I have two rogue suggestions for GPK
necrofos or kunko
Necro just because if it is tiny to mid is awkward you force the tiny then to go to carry it's into lifestyle not happy
Whatever mid counters necro you have the scaling through that or kunko. We've seen dark mago from South American reject utilize it
There's not much damage on spirit. Yeah, I could be I'm fine with kunko
I think this hero is slightly underrated
Haven't been picked much but yeah slow damage allows you always to get the spells and the new type of a build as well with
BKB rush. I mean it's not new but straight into Silver Edge. This is like built from a long time ago
People have been building differently, but yeah, I could see Kunkka
I feel like B.B already have shown that they have greed through that carry wanting a radiance
The off lane wanting the helm of Dom into Overlord to take tower, but you're gonna play through the Beastmaster
So you just want like a mid guy who's independent. Yeah, just you know, I play my lane. I'm chill
They're batting out half-court primers on the counters. They just get the puck fair enough
They go for a buck little bit of a playmaker nothing too crazy
How is a puck still in the pool when G?
Gpk is here a bit surprised that they managed to get that or why do we think spirit is prepared for it?
For me, I'm tiny that tiny silencer throughout the whole game before he gets a dispel before he gets a bkb
It's you're gonna feel threatened. They have no saves whatsoever on bedroom team
So if you get the initiative before you know any kind of a save item coming out from the two supports
So you're successful successful to dying
I mean there isn't an argument where the pot can just go like which blade into like blink BKB, right?
And then you have a game to play
But I think yes for it respected the melee here the melee midlaners that can just be tankier
If the puck needs time and items and thinks we're maybe don't respect that they're like, you know what we can deal with it
Like because I'm mentioning with the here's they have
Well, normally it's banned out against that boom
So this is the first time he gets a chance to play it here like yeah
I'm excited for it because if he picks it even with all the things you guys are mentioning that makes it not the ideal puck game
I mean he must be very confident still go for it
I mean the entire lineup of BB is like individual players that with items will shine and they eventually just don't care about
the damage of spirit. The Tiny to life that you don't care. Underlord won't re-threaten
a puck or the Beastmaster to life in the later portion of the game. The supports enable others
to shine, but we already mentioned the cores aren't going to scale into the late game.
So for BB, the puck also enables the map play. You pick it to skip waves. If you are
getting caught off by a global, then the globals are available elsewhere.
That's terrible.
They do put the Tiny to mid and find the character trying to take them away from
that time of the we're mentioning if they picked a mid laner here I would have
been going like 95% win rate to dv I'm really struggling see how spirit when
but the terrible aid in its ways to help yeah most definitely it's something
that gives them the damage as well because they were lacking some and we
did point out some of the issues so now after seeing the puck on 23 they
decided to put tiny in the mid lane which has always been a good like
you're building slightly differently as well so you will have your combo
early years so you will have that extra bit of a damage you're building into
Blindagger early as your first item and this gives you a hero that can play with
both of the supports. I thought that maybe they don't get that hero that can
play with both of the supports. These are like saving supports but they can
also play aggressively so I want to have those two supports moving and trying
to match the aggression that we've seen so far from BedBoom Team that they
do bring to the mid lane. Yeah I mean for Spirit it's a very simple game
It's keep the map alive as long as possible for your tour to get to his
Manta butterfly mantis guardie whatever build he wants to go for but once he has like three items in terribly every matter is
We met her for the Roche and we met her for like tier three
We have to play around that. It's it's very much four guys protecting your tour was BB
They have a lot more layering to opening the map to play the skirmish the fight and
That you know the discipline of making sure you don't enable your Torah to find that farm
Yeah, the way that that boom has been able to make it out of the group stage with three and no record
We've been constantly praising them. They have been doing it in their own style with their own style of picks identity picks
We feel that the same for this game. I would imagine how do we feel about that for two in spirit?
Do we feel like they are showing an identity through this draft? No for sure. It's planted back on the side
So it's the undefeated your Torah terabyte of the group stage like they are picking their own comfort as well
Yeah, for sure tiny as a playmaker as well, but you he showed some really nice performances so far
I'm not sure if he played Underlord yet, but his hero pool, no, this is gonna be the first showing of Underlord for him
His hero pool is massive and this guy fits him nicely
So I want to see if Team Spirit can still utilize him to maybe get it up in this first game
Yeah, how do we feel if this game goes late?
Because we know from Bat Boom, they
They don't already let a game go late
I think it's like a roller coaster game where it's like early game is
BB mid game of spirit and then late game it could be like save
Yeah, it's gonna find a raper. It was a game that yeah that he actually
Focused fired the throne and the kind of owned the game which was like 60-minute plus so they they could scale
With this type of a draft we're gonna find out how he's gonna play itself out
We're heading over to the first game of bet boom and spirit
Game one of that boom team versus team spirit. This is a historical matchup team spirit has 26 wins
Betboom Team 24, this as close as you can get in these kind of rivalries and Lizard,
you heard what the panel was talking about, 4-Protect 1 vs massive aggression in Skirmish,
which do you think is going to prevail here in Game 1?
Let's see, Betboom honestly are really damn strong when it comes to the Skirmish,
when it comes to coming out swinging out of the laning stage, right?
That's what they were known for, that's how they got into the tier 1 scene in the first place,
the first iteration, whoever you talk to, whoever is scrimmed against them, whenever you would
play against them, you would feel it. The laning stage, you can have a plan, you can have a late
game plan, you can have a mid-game plan, but it all falls apart if you lose the laning stage, way
too heavily. Already I'm looking at their setup and it's looking strong. You've got Lich,
Lifestealer into the Underlord. At least Lifestealer will start the lane off with half HP,
So it's something bot lane as well wind ranger into the terribly a lot of damage even though beast and terribly it
It's an interesting interaction like terribly used to be picked into the beast quite a lot
I feel like the things have switched a little bit in beasts favor depending on what the itemization is
Also like that they have so much control on the side of bed from team
The only hero that doesn't really have a son or any kind of lockdown is the life stealer, but you know get your pistol blade eventually
Yeah, the only lane that is favorable on paper, at least for Team Spirit, should be
is mid, right? Like you're playing Tiny into Puck, and this has also been a
matchup that has switched through the years, like we've seen patches come and
go, and Puck became stronger and stronger. Now Tiny used to be the
counter to Puck, like it was Tiny ban, Dragonite ban and Sniper ban, like
those were the three heroes that you always had to get rid of if you're
picking Puck mid. So we'll see. He's still playing into a silencer and Tiny. This kind
of danger is for GPK.
It feels like Lall though needs to have a good lane because in vision of a world where Lall
doesn't have a good lane, how does Team Spirit like open up the map? How do they like make
sure that they can still keep playing, protect your tour while he's farming in the jungle?
It's absolutely all on him. I feel like Heavy is the burden that he has to carry this game on the Tiny.
And the combination of heroes that kind of intend and with him get kills
Aren't really abundant right like you have perhaps beans gate to follow through from but you but that's a long call down
Besides that I guess the ring master, but it's not like this tiny plus hood mink that almost always nets your kill
Hope that that's CI winning mid laner can live up to prior reputation
GPK of course, we know what GPK is capable of, unless you're very, very scary.
What do you think is going to build in this game to help deal with the Global Silence?
Is this a ULT's game? Is it going to try to build the Lotus like we saw previously from Nisha?
I think not only because of the Global Silence, but because of the bit of malice
and maybe an eventual agonies on the Underlord.
Underlord, this should be a BKB game on Puck, like sooner than later.
It's probably the safest option for him. Of course, it's costly, it does diminish over time,
but it beats the other two when it comes to dealing with roots, not only the global silence.
Speaking of one of our sources of roots, Bajuk. I'm guessing this is going to be a Crimson God game.
It feels the most natural for the situation we're dealing with, the life-steal-eyed Beastmaster.
Especially versus a Beastmaster that is queuing up a Helm of Dominator.
like the moment you see Helm of Iron will I think there is no doubt about it
you should be going for the Crimson Guard I think this is one of those aura bot
games like you can go for Aghans as well eventually but I completely agree
with with an early Crimson Guard being quite well in the CS department for
Batja also down bottom Terra Blade is farming decently as well of course they
can't really stop Miro from doing his thing Miro has been when it comes to
in a lot of their series, the actual true carry.
Like he just absolutely dominates games when he's given one of his heroes,
like on Axe he's been doing extremely well on Slardar, on Beastmaster as well.
I think one of the Beastmaster games he had a minute 13 helm of Overlords
and just absolutely crushed the game with it, so
I will see this time around how quickly he can get his hands on it.
Top lane, Kiritid eating a lot of harass, but whatever.
Yatoro, maybe getting ran down by Miro is gonna have axes. This could actually be a kill. Impalement Art will not connect onto Miro
But he does not dive too deep. The boar will get killed off free gold for Yatoro
He has another axis by the way, so it's really hard for the TV to get back into the lane
There's a power shots as well. Keep that in mind. Maybe they can combo it up. Power shots, axes, aww
Maybe the order was a little bit wrong, but it doesn't matter. Save will still activate the win run, rush forward, kill off Yatoro
We mentioned it right, like immediately when the game started. Power shot, axes, it's kind of hard for the terribly to deal with all of this.
TB into the Beast was a pretty good hero when Beast only had the boars, and that's it, when all of his damage was physical.
But it's been quite some time now, especially in this last patch. Beast Masters have been just doing the axes and boars.
So, hard to sustain yourself against all of that spam when he has a nul talisman on the Beast Master as well.
That's going very well. Rue might also end up dying here.
Crackle shot will latch. I think that's like max range.
Rue will almost certainly die here in your Toro. Won't be able to bail him out.
Miro participating in his second kill of the game.
Look at Tiny. Actually recognizing just how devastated they are on bot lane.
He's actually going to make this rotation. Avalanche goes out onto Miro.
You want to bring him down. Save. Beautiful. Crackle on Toro and your Toro.
Oh, dies!
Ooh!
That's tough.
That's tough, buddy.
And he doesn't have a TP.
Let's just see what was wrong.
Let's just show it up,
as soon as the game is going up onto Rue,
Shackle Shroff connects in onto this ringmaster,
save with a double kill down bottom.
Oh man, this bot lane couldn't have went any better.
And keep in mind, like you rotating down bottom,
Life Stealer is chilling.
Like he's playing versus Underlord,
one of the best matchups for him that he can have
in the laning stage.
Oh boy.
And it's Kirit, the chlifestealer by the way. The key has a lot of heroes that he's comfortable on, but this is one of his signatures.
Oh for sure.
He has played 54 games of lifestealer
with a 65% win rate.
Bat boom.
Bat boom and laning stage.
I don't think there's a single team
still out there that plays the laning stage as aggressively as they do.
Okay, who would win between
Bedboom and old school EG, the one that had crit on it, who were also like laning monsters.
Bedboom.
Bedboom. But EG would find a way to make the game super passive after 10 minutes.
They snooze fast, they hit that snooze button.
Well, we'll now have to see how Team Spirit will respond to this. Looks like they just left Miro alone.
They literally just vacated the bottom lane. This just solely belongs to the Beastmaster right now.
right now. It's just too big of a danger. Top lane Batyuk as well.
Batyuk in danger here, they do have sinister gains, might not even be necessary.
Skateback will come out, Shackleshot latches onto two, and here comes GPK as well.
Doesn't have enough mana though for the Dream Quail, so we'll not be allowed to participate further in the fight.
Team spirit, I think they got caught off guard a little bit with the position for Windranger
initially. When the live stealer got picked, it just absolutely activated everything on their
side, like Windranger being a strong 4 as well when it's in the hands of save.
They found this DB solution but it ain't looking that great at the moment at least.
Late game, sure, but 0-5 so far.
That's not even like some faceless way to say, well even if I'm not getting farm I can
show up once or twice, you know, throw out an ultimate, maybe get a free kill.
The thing is, Turbulid is one of those heroes.
Like, he can show up, he can use Meta, maybe pressure at Tier 1 Tower.
It's always been like that, especially in this patch.
I feel like as a carry you should join.
But he's playing into a lot of long-range harass.
So if you show up with the illusions, like, you lose all your HP without them even committing it.
Elm of Dawn, by the way, with a T8, with boots, jeez.
T1 tower already fallen, team's burnt, their map is starting to constrict, so Larl, we're
speaking about how much impact he needs to have.
He's gonna smoke with his two supports, try to utilize the haste rune that he picked up.
Yeah, let's see if they read this move because no one is showing the middle lane,
no one is showing top, Beastmaster needs to be snuffed out.
They have haste of course, like you mentioned, so it should be a kill.
This has to go well for them.
cases out even open up a fiend's game just to make a hundred percent sure that
they bring in the additional route Nero is gonna end up dead but it took four
heroes to achieve this it forced escape pack from the ringmaster like that's
how much damage she dealt to him like forced the escape pack just in case
they get the kill that's the important part they do they do they waste a lot
of your spells mid lane dreamcoyle if you're going out onto your lull they
They even throw out the chain frost.
Only bounces once back towards him.
No, I say that, but the creep brought the loss back,
bounced back towards him, earn a shadow's applied as well.
Trying to get forward with GPK.
When they hide in the tree,
they're gonna sacrifice Rude to try and protect Lull,
but save is not giving up on this one.
Even Plant-Thun and Observer Ward
has Power Shot at the ready.
Is he gonna find the angle?
Shackle Shot latches perfectly.
There's the Power Shot too.
Another application of this earn.
We should be seeing a dead, tiny here.
One more hit.
Very unfortunate for Lull.
mega kill, on save all the tips of course. He's getting towards his vessel by the way
700 gold. We were just mentioning vessel last game and how players aren't necessarily going
for it anymore but it's such a good vessel game. Underlord and Tiny.
Oh boy. Tier 1 Tower will fall. The map is opening up beautifully for the side of
bad boom team one kill to seven a 4k gold leader 10 minutes and you know like
if the tiny is not really having a good game like how exactly do you open up these
fights these upcoming fights yeah and I'm looking at his inventory and he
actually has an echo saber chewed up this is not something that you expect
from your mid lane tiny but you know what this is telling me this is telling
me that he expects not to be able to actually make any plays early on so
They're just doubling down and committing for later portions of the game with the Ecosaber perhaps.
Let's see, maybe he'll buy Blink, but if he does not, how exactly do we start things off?
That was my concern at the beginning, right?
Glawl needs to do well.
That rotation that he made bottom seems to have backfired in a way.
Now, if you see a rotation coming from GPK and the boys, they are smoked up, heading
top.
They come across as Isle-Enter and free kill.
This will zone back the rest of Team Spirit, so it should be an easy grab on the T1 Tower as well.
Good positioning by the silencer by the way.
Tiny was moving towards the triangle as well, so by dying he does save his life.
Good position 5, gameplay right there.
Team Spirit, some dire straits at the moment.
At the very least while all this has been happening, Yattaro has been safely in his constant in the jungle.
Getting as much net worth as you can for himself.
They're completely switching up the itemization by the way.
This isn't something that you see from the Turbolid as well.
Mantaius, Orcid's second item almost never.
Very rarely do you see that in every patch through History of Dota.
However, if you combine the Orcid on him with the A-Toss that's coming on Underlords,
maybe you have what it takes to take down Puck.
Bottom lane, they're gonna be able to take down this ringmaster without too much difficulty.
What's the score?
Save is 6-0-2 on Windranger.
Minute 12.
Power shot and fate vault. The two spells that can kill steel quite often.
Or secure kills.
At this point, I don't think anyone can be mad at him. He made a lot of these skills happen.
Oh for sure.
Tall plane.
Actually gonna go top. They chasing with this infested sento.
You can get this. Oh, he moved back. Okay. He actually had more movement speed. So eventually he could have gotten in position to stun
GPK though is gonna come through for the pin. So moving in in this through the triangle
Wachuk has not shown himself just yet though. So they're gonna have to give up that chase. There's a sentry here
I'm not sure if Buck actually walked over it when he was in vision at least
They still don't have global spent we still bought level 6 13 minutes in
Let me get next to a creep, bro. Come on, come on, just a little bit of experience
here. There we go. Level 6 achieved now, does have global silence.
By the way, check the timer. What did we say? Minutes 13-ish, helm of overlord.
Oh wow. It's done. He has it. Once again.
I think it was him in the last game that got it around the 13-minute mark as well.
is extremely fast. I'm gonna try and do something about this on the side of
Team Spirit. They smoke up. They want to utilize this global silence. They see
a kid attached. If they can catch him before he can rage, this could be huge.
Lawl though, the smoke will break. He can't catch up. He still doesn't have the
blink dagger. I'm committing for this Echo Saber. They go towards Kataomi instead,
but Kataomi will take it. But no, will they even get it is the question.
Chain Frost expended. He is caught by the Shackle Shot of Save because of
Corsave is there to interrupt the play.
Look, this Equus Saber, I think it's a bit of a grief for their current state of the game.
Eventually it might work out down the line, but currently it is truly a grief.
Without the Blink Dagger, the only way you make this play is with Global first,
and then you hit him somewhere from the trees with the Avalanche.
It's daytime after all. Of course, Life Stealer will either rage or just faceboots away.
So, an extremely hard move to make, until you have a blink on someone.
Doesn't seem like that's going to be happening anytime soon.
We do have a man to out on the terror blade at least.
Yatoro, this is going to be the ultimate 4-Protect 1-1 versus 9-Carry game if they come out on top.
GPK, of course not letting up on the aggression, they keeping the momentum going.
Find another grab onto Rue, GPK on the killing spree.
Yeah, no Dreamcull was used by the way, and he has Arcane Rune, so...
The map is his playground.
You can pick and choose on who to go to next.
Maybe Rosh as well?
Homoff Overlord, right? Like it's one of those things that you can...
When you're this far ahead and in control, 7k ahead by the way.
15 minutes in.
Yatoro wise enough to leave the top part of the map.
I can't believe when you see a Windranger, that's when you have to run.
You're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, that position forward range is too scary at this point.
He truly is with the vessel with level nine almost.
You can solo heroes and they are straight into the pit.
Whatever build you go for on the Beastmaster, one of the strength, there's so many strengths to this hero, by the way.
And he's been met up for quite some time, but the thing is, if you go agonies, you can do rush.
If you go Helm of Overlord, you can also do rush very early on.
It will be scouted though.
Yeah, but what can they really do?
Just don't have a blink dagger on low.
Okay, that's something.
Kiritich lost his radiance, so that's going to delay it somewhat.
One of couriers are dying recently with pretty important items.
Yeah, they die with like PKBs, mantas, silver edges, and KBs.
Yep, yeah.
We need a courier protection plan.
They're thinking about me. They have a DD in Puck.
This tiny is kind of tanky though.
Let's see how tanky it really is. They're gonna show on top of him.
There's the vessel. Escape back. We'll be utilized.
Global Silence will also come out with the Wheel of Wonders.
So they go back onto Kataromi.
That took a lot longer than they thought it would.
Long barely survives. Had like 90 HP.
Butchoo comes through the fiend's gate. They're looking to what's safe.
He was able to windrun away. He's gonna stay living.
GPK still has this amplified damage route.
It's not the easiest fight in the world.
Yachtarov took a lot of damage from that power shot.
And GPK was really thinking about re-engaging here.
But there is a Sunder. Yachtarov pops it. It'll be fine.
You could see the idea behind that, right? And it was very nicely executed.
They knew what they were doing. Putting Tiny up front, he has the Sogerax now, Ekko Saber.
So he's a bit tankier than you expected to be, plus the escape act.
Oh, look at this big power shot up to Yachtarov.
No Sunder.
Do not have access to the Dreamclaw, but they won't need it.
Securities here as well throughout the open wounds now. We have a dead terrible
I mean no Sunday like you said in tiny men also got caught mirrors there primal roll onto this Beastmaster
He's dead to on Laurel two huge cores removed from the game
And if you couldn't go into the pits earlier now, you definitely can and they're making it look so damn easy
You know this lineup of steams period currently in this state
It feels like it's some playable
Yeah, Aegis will now go into their hands, since Birkin do absolutely nothing about this.
And Kiritage, he's largely left alone, he's still just farming away.
He's actually going to port to help out with this one.
Or, or not.
Just hit some creeps or hit some rush, whatever.
Aegis can be given to him, it can be given to Buck as well, even Beast at this point.
I mean, he makes a pretty good case when it comes to taking that first ages, but by the
way, Puck didn't even itemize defensively.
This whole game he's playing into global silence, into tiny, but when you get crushed
in the lane as hard as they have been, you just don't come online fast enough.
And instead, it completely flips around.
It's Puck, he's the one that's hunting the silencer, not the other way around.
We'll go for the shot next up, LOL, it's nearby here in the mid lane.
GPK does have Dream Club, but probably not gonna overextend.
Just buying time, right?
If your team spirit right now, you kinda realize that long time ago, they're all in
on buying time.
Interestingly, just the A-toss on Underlord without going for Crimson, by the way.
I think he did this maybe some other time as well.
I've seen the Ato's build instead of clearly good crimson pickup.
He wants to go Ato's into a pipe for this one.
Also good. You're playing versus Buck versus Lich. A lot of magic damage on the other side.
A little bit nicer if the Miro beast monster had more aggonyms, would have been even more effective, but what can you do?
They won't fight around this ward perhaps, like they have decent vision, but not for long.
All right, it's bad when we agree say that we pay right?
No, absolutely like so far he has already made a very strong case
Although the Beastmaster
he's 115 but he has
Activated the Windranger completely on bot lane
But he died bro
He's a feeder. Yeah, new Beastmaster. How to see there
How many, how many does they even have one on beast and one on lich right? That's it
You know going for the DKB now to follow up this blink dagger
What timing will it coincide with it'll coincide with the mantel style on cure it each and whatever the hell
GPK wants to buy because you can kind of do what he wants
I wouldn't be surprised if he
He could greed out for full Parasma on GPK.
I hope that he does not, because in these kind of games, like a couple of that,
and suddenly they're completely back in it, so it would give Team Spirit perhaps a chance to mount a comeback.
He's actually queuing up a nail disk.
And this became a very popular early mid-game item.
No, there's gonna be a global silence, but he has so many dispellers that comes out of the illusion rune from the puck
Trying to go back in onto this terror blade, Primal Role will be there, of course save is the one that gets the kill with the power shot
You know I
He picked up the illusion rune and I expected them to maybe even smoke make a play because of it
Like usually we trash talk the illusion rune right like worthless just you don't get a lot out of it
But in this game it's massive
Rue, didn't manage to pick up the Shrine of Wisdom, probably dies for this, Focus Fire
coming in from safe, he has a shot as well so he brings him back with the Gale Force.
Two heroes brought down, I mean why not just push this here to tower, you still have an
Aegis, the Beast Masters right here, let's go boys!
More real estate to be taken.
Two more minutes on the Aegis, you get a nice little rage buff from Ancient Underhide.
Oh, Frenzy, you get the rage and the frenzy.
Do we have the blink dagger for Lall though?
Don't have the Global Silence, we probably have to wait for that to return but they still
smoke up nonetheless.
Unfortunately, because of how things have been going, they have like no vision.
The only ward they have on the other side is sitting on the Twin Gate no less.
But still, they're gonna try for this.
Jump up, GPK though, goes in but he got jumped into the Avalon, she's gonna die extremely
quickly.
GPK is gone, Kiritage.
He doesn't want to be a part of this one any longer need somebody to infest into Miro will provide the vehicle out of this fight
That's all we did get caught by the impayment out
DD DD picked up by Miro Miro could actually try to roll back in but he's been silenced up right now
Can it is still with the rage chasing down law?
They want to kill this tiny and they all gonna get him is
This fight gonna still continue here. It's it's rushing forward
Just this Radiance, pushing up so much work, and there is the raw mirror with the double damage comes in onto Yotaro.
Can they kill him off just here? Shackleshot does connect, but he can save by just getting back,
and they kill Yotaro before he can find an opportunity for a Sunder.
Kiritage now, looking towards Padjuk, will be able to run him down, get an Ultra kill, give this man a rampage!
A rampage at 22 minutes! Kiritage showing off the damage of this Life Stealer.
And that was a fight in which they lose the puck immediately.
They lost their mid laner, they fought 4 against 5, they cleaned up without even losing the ages.
And we talked about Keratich on this lifestealer.
And honestly, this is just one of those dream lifestealer games.
Besides the Teruglitz, who eventually can become a problem, eventually. We're not there yet.
Everything else is just free foods for you.
Like these heroes just fall, the tiny one of the highest HP heroes in the game, right?
early on just from base stats on top of that the Underlord there's nothing that
you truly care about rage and go hit roar wasn't perhaps perfect because I
believe won an illusion but it didn't really matter in the end they didn't get
the Sunder off. Contrary he did more damage alone than the entirety of
Team Spirit in that fight. 16,000 ahead is where Bedboom sit at the moment.
Baciuq still doesn't have this pipe of insight, it's still short about a hundred gold.
Does that change things though? Like I'm seeing a pipe in this game and there's a
reason why we... like you mentioned the Crimson immediately right? And it was on
my mind as well. Like if you were going to aura bot this game it feels like a
good... it's a good pipe game sure as well but it's a really good Crimson
early on. Yeah. Let's see he has the pipe.
He has applied Gatoro, has the Orchage that really proved to be that effective in that previous fight, except for the kill on the GPK.
I mean, that was the idea, right? Like that was the vision behind the Orchage, it worked out, they continued fighting and that didn't, but I'm not sure if it's going to work any longer.
Puck has an A on this.
Team spirit smoke up, we'll try to lead the charge somewhere.
You have an observer that is scouting Miro at the moment and they'll see that the puck
is nearby him.
Maybe we could try something.
But I don't know if you really want to be heading into these heroes at the moment.
Where is he going Miro?
Because they actually deviated from the roof going bottom.
I feel like he's just finding the safest spot to farm in.
Is he buying a point? There's no way he's buying a point booster, right?
Like he has a BKB queued up, yeah.
He's just going to farm. That's it.
Like he knows that his own jungle is completely enemy infested, so
he needs to find a different spot to farm in.
And they are in that kind of a situation where just staying on your side of the map
you won't be able to even leave the high ground.
They're smoked right now on Bed Boom Team.
They know that right now, Spirit are going to be playing this more spread out rat style.
Hoping to catch one of them while they're at it.
But Spirit are being very very diligent at making sure that there's no vision on top of them.
The Korea from Lich though, well let's scout at Yatoro.
They hit a dreamquill, he's up somewhere.
But Larm managed to blink away, TP out, he's A-OK.
Okay, so there's a positive and a negative here for Larvo
because he used that smoke to get out on the map to farm their triangle, right?
And he was farming it. Unfortunately, at some point, you have to show yourself in creepscape as well.
So he got one wave, but initially immediately got snuffed out of the enemy side of the map.
So he did get some farm, but he needs to get there again.
Yatoro however on the other side has been doing a really good job at creeps
skipping top, ratting the enemy side of the map but they did plant this very nice
ward Katomumi did it behind the tier 2 tower so if he steps a little bit to the
left they will see him.
Doing his best to just keep this game going, also keeps cutting these waves up on top so
alleviating the pressure from the sling.
It's under vision though you see the pings immediately.
Okay Yatoro, what's your game sense like my friend?
You got this nope. He does not got this he's out. He's dead. He's dead. He's super dead
Of course save is going to be the first one to initiate on top of her mobile
Dracolot, Spirit Vessel out and you get burned away by the radiance. They even use the global
Attempting maybe to help him mantas Sunder and TP out. It was like a nice plan. They don't have any
Do they have a ULs actually they do. They do. It's an Windranger, so it won't even work
They have a ULs on Windranger a Mantle on the lifestealer
It's like, okay, this is definitely gonna be very easy for us to get rid of a global,
easily kill the TV.
Now we're back in the Roshan pit.
We're about to have the biggest carry.
Absolutely no way you try to contest this.
Yeah, they cannot. AC, by the way, is 600 gold away on the beast.
The courier already, I believe.
Most likely has the recipe, right?
Actually, not yet.
A bit further away than I initially expected, but still pretty damn close.
2nd Aegis goes back to Kitteditch, who now has a full modifier and is deciding to go
into the Agon Emceptor as the route of progress.
He's 6000 gold ahead of the tower.
Very rarely do you see a life stealer farmed as well as a Turblete, yet the one being
this far ahead.
He's having a fantastic game on Nikes.
Lola still searching for some extra items. He does have his BKB.
Disassemble his Equal Saber to make it happen a little bit faster.
Get a titch. It doesn't get Tim the Beast.
So you just keep splitting. At what point does this start to change?
Like, how strong does Terroblade need to be before Team Spirit feel like,
okay, we can just back up the Terroblade, move with him as the focal point of the movement.
He's getting there, but he's not there yet.
Like, he has a Pike queued up right now.
Of course, some extra mobility versus Life Stealer is always good,
but I think he's under vision. Yeah, he is.
He's under vision again.
Well...
Can you plan your next items in the fountain, buddy?
There's more time to prepare.
A pike will be completed by him, he plowed out as he was dying.
Next stop, possibly Butterfly, like a pretty good one.
Scuddy after.
There's just a lot of things that he needs.
But after the pike he needs one extra item and I think that they can take a fight.
What kind of a fight? Probably a high ground defensive fight.
One more item syndrome is a terrible disease to be afflicted with in Yatoro.
The diagnosis is very positive at the moment for that, as the AC now also comes for the Beastmaster.
And it's like a lot of these small little auras coming into play.
Not so small, the AC, but you have a VLADS on Windranger.
And I love to see this. I love to see a support buying VLADS on a hero that...
There isn't really an item that you need on a Windranger, so why not?
Aino just gets Vlad, supports your life stealer and Beastmaster at the same time.
I still have Beastmaster playing together right now as we have an Infest.
What are you showing from Team Spirit?
The moment they do, their kerjaphth is gonna come in and indeed they go directly onto Batjuk.
Global Silence is utilized, but he's been nullified, open wounded, almost killed off by Yattaro.
Able to hit him with the Thunder, protecting the life of this Underlord.
That'll buy some time, allow them to get back.
Dream Quail on the back of these heroes.
and I catch a few of them somehow, some way they managed to keep this underlord alive.
That was a very selfless play by the Turrel Blade.
The speed at which he used the Sunder, saving the underlord and possibly saving the high ground defense.
They still did use Nethadol.
And then the smoke up log goes there. Beautiful three-year-old court inside the Avalon,
but it's not enough because Kiritich is on the other side, but Kiritich is alone.
Honestly, it doesn't matter that he's alone because he's dishing out so much damage.
He's only holding.
He's only holding.
He's only holding.
The winner will be obvious.
Lawl is down.
Yattaro dies on the right hand side of the fight.
They don't even need Curitich to be there.
Save again with a power shot able to take out the TeraBlade.
Nobody has lost their lives just yet from Bedboom team.
Frost shield onto Curitich to prevent more incoming damage.
This just feels so easy for them.
These are supposed to be tanky heroes.
Tiny is supposed to be tanky.
Terribly, it's not supposed to be that vulnerable to the right clicks, but it doesn't matter, Peppuma just got far ahead.
They're that far ahead, and they didn't even use Drinkel. The roar is still up.
They have all their ulti's. There's the Drinkel now, on the 2, Nullifier also used up on the silencer.
He's definitely gonna die here. The claws of Kiritich rip through him, 3 heroes down, none of them have buyback.
This is at least one set of racks, if not 2, if not megas, if not the damn game.
Pating the roar, not really using it just yet.
Firestorm is still pretty damn annoying, like it hurts, it deals a lot of damage, but that's two sides now down.
There's no tier 2 on bot lane. The question is, do they want to go or will they reset?
Wait up some items, refresh on the mana. Puck is pretty low, like he doesn't have his ulti yet.
It's all up to them. I feel like even with Puck having 50% HP, 50% mana, they could still go.
It's a 30,000 gold lead almost in 32 minutes. It's about a comprehensive beatdown as you'll ever see.
We need to call up a SunSpan and be like, yo, what level of shellacking is this?
High level.
Surely this is Gabyn level right?
This is Gabyn level Shalaki.
Haven't heard that one in a bit by the way.
Now Taro, spamming the map with as many illusions as you can.
It's the only way you can find the meager or monzoform that he has available to him but...
This witch has an agoninceptor.
What?
Flying out to him, yep.
The last item is there.
Blade of Alexi flying out to him.
Agoninceptor complete.
Nice little area effect on Sinister Gaze.
He's playing for blink dagger so
In the game where Lich is about to become the primary initiator now I get the pipe on under lords. Ah, I see I see I see
Long corn he played the long corn
He's gonna go back for the crimson though on budget
Both items will be necessary as your Torah will be building into BKB still a ways from getting it available
Top, Miro, he's infested, Chatoro, will they scan to make sure this is the real one?
They throw axes at a power shot, now they know, now they know, but it's too late, he's already
starting to run himself away.
Can they actually still go?
They have smoke.
Save as a blink dagger as well, he was thinking about it, the Boas charging forward to grant
him a division.
They still have an idea where he is.
Save.
Oh, beautiful.
Galeforce catches out to two heroes.
They won't be the Global Silenced, but it will not matter.
Mirol has the BKB. They even use up on Topanto.
He shackled to the trees, brought down by the focus fire.
Beyond Godlike on the save Windranger.
They're in the base. Look at that. Aghanim's on to the law with the sinister gaze.
Didn't bring him close, but Kirtich couldn't catch up in time.
No turtle bait for 30 seconds. Let's see if they can take down a side.
Glyph, still on cooldown for two minutes.
He has Aghan on the piece.
They have everything. What item more do they need on their side? Everything is more or less there.
Fireback on the silencer, but still 80 seconds without the global. Law jumps in, BKB active, but nobody's dying just yet.
Mila Wonder tries to pull back Kataomi, but GPK will break up the fight.
By going onto the back lines, Kiritich also rushing forward looking towards Law.
A little bit of a nullifier. Just poking enough to have him back off from the fight.
the fight.
Tb is back.
Kiritich no longer has access to an Aegis, doesn't have Infest either, so this could be
a dangerous moment for him.
They actually managed to kill Kiritich.
Yatoro with the Metamorphosis has enough physical damage.
Team Spirit, you were correct.
It's going to be a high ground hold, but it's a successful one in the end.
Pretty good respawn from Tb and TP straight into the fray.
Life Stealer, this was like, you could argue the first mistake that Kiritich has
made in the game and that's the offensive infest. Like he bought the agonims, used it
on a BKB tiny, he tried to finish him off but in the end, paid with his life. The double
pit of malice of course still working over time. This underwater hero, even in a 30k
deficit, has a lot of impact.
You actually did almost as much damage as Kiritichid.
It's just the pit of malice and the nature of the spell. Especially with the Glyp
Here you get plus 75 AoE and you can spam it whenever someone tries to go high ground.
I would argue even a BKB on a Life Stealer wouldn't be bad, by the way.
When you see how many routes they're playing with, the silence,
like he does have Manta as a defensive item already, but it's truly not a bad BKB game.
Speaking of BKB, that's what TB is queuing up, I believe.
With that Life Stealer kill, he has it.
Oh yeah, it's flying out as you speak.
More protection available for your Toro.
Unfortunately, Roshan has just now come back, so Team Spirit will be contesting to stop that boom from getting yet another Aegis.
If they had an Aegis in that fight, just the games are over.
Let's see, this deficit feels insanely hard to defeat, but Team Spirit, you know, they've been around for a bit.
We have seen some insane comebacks on Spirit.
They did have some comebacks.
comebacks especially when you give your total like a proper hard carry like a
terrible later and I like the itemization post pike by the way I was wondering
he's going for if he's going to go for something bigger I think with the BKB and
now the bloodtorn that he has queued up it's like cheapest bang for the buck
like the BKB will allow him to actually survive most of these fights they
kill him because he can't get some their own time teams bird making an
aggressive smoke they realize that they cannot give away this ages they
They have to prevent it somehow, but GPK is right in front of them with a passenger surprise
that they might not want to see.
The first person they reveal upon is on the silencer, he's dead, no buyback available.
Now they also get the sinister gaze, Adolte long into the chain frost, Tiny dies in
a blink of an eye.
Kiritage now rushing forward, looking towards the terrible blade, Kitoro with the BKB
active meta going, he's trying his best.
What can he do here?
Get the Sunder, Adolte, this cutter will be lich.
I'll keep him alive for now, throwing the damage onto this puck, but eventually as his own BKB expires, his own life is taken, Gigi is called, and Bat Boom absolutely devastates Team Spirit here in Game 1.
Just a dominant performance from Bat Boom, everything from the get-go. I think this was one of those clean examples of how laning stage can absolutely dominate everything that goes on through the game.
Like if you win all three lanes, you do well in every single lane, it doesn't matter what kind of a late game you've got, you can't get there.
They could not get there in the end and as a result, Betboom walk away with the victory. Save ends the game, 10, 0 and 17.
Shiva, what do you make of this performance from Betboom?
It is incredible for Betboom to have this strong performance.
I also want to say it is incredible from Team Spirit to hold as long as they did, fully believing that there was a comeback possible.
Whereas from a viewer perspective it seemed very unlikely, but I respect the attempt either way
This was such dominance from Bedpoom though
It was a very polite way of wording it. That's really nice. This was awful from spirit
All right, the draft was just like miserable, right? You're playing against BB. You know, he's one of the most, you know
Powerful life-steader players in the scene. You're picking a tiny silencer
You're then offering up an underlord giving the 18 picked the BB
It feels like the prep just wasn't brought to the drafting room for this game because unfortunately for spirit
It's how some of their tournaments in the last couple runs have gone like just the drafting has let them down immensely
At least in Birmingham against XG. They fought it immensely and it's our way in game one here
I look at these heroes in combination. It's like
Rewind the clock a year. It's not to you wouldn't see this type of draft from limits
I mean BB outplayed them immensely. I just wanted to add I'm just I'm upset with spirit
of how weak they presented themselves in the game.
Yeah, we were kind of maybe sold, at least I was expected with an even series, even game, but then it didn't look like that.
Definitely it didn't look like it. I mean the way it started as well is them diving the bottom tower,
save and Miero playing behind enemy lines three minutes in, this tells you how the game is going to go,
knowing that they can't really be killed. This switcheroo from Windranger carry to being in position four,
Even without facets, even without kill shot, it still looks pretty damn insane.
And a lot of his itemization on top of that, picking up relatively early earn.
It does give him extra bit of oomph, extra bit of damage, extra bit of heal if necessary.
And then Katowami rotates through the Twin Gates, so he kinda shuts down this bottom lane completely.
Plus you're having a Beastmaster from the off lane, which means that he's gonna be going for the Helm build,
which does allow them to pick up early Roche, pretty much take over the whole map.
These two heroes, these two supports, they don't like to play into Beastmaster and Summons.
Yeah, that's the other thing, right? You hop on the draft again, you see the Beastmaster,
you know Mero is the guy that likes to play with no more.
Yeah, he even loves to play it.
So you pick Sionizer. If Tiny's the carry, then I can see some logic behind it, but
then you take the Terrorblade, he gets Axe spammed out of lane, there's no game
to play, right? So, yeah, I think BB just, they just showed some really strong
understanding of the heroes they wanted and saved 10, 0, 17 on the Windranger League.
You just couldn't ask for a better game one.
I mean, it's just ridiculous, at this point.
You could go from every single player on BB and their stats would just look impressive.
11-1-10 on the lifestealer.
Oh yeah, I cut the only guy twice though.
I do think, you know, that's bringing the team down a little bit.
Yeah, for sure.
And you know who died the most in that game?
Yattaro.
He died 10 times.
Nobody else was like even close.
Roo died 8 times.
I don't think, like, if we could check the stats, I don't think we would be able
to find the game where Yathrow died the most time.
Why didn't you ask me that ten minutes ago?
Because I didn't know the score of the game that ended three minutes ago.
But you predicted the playoff bracket, you should have been on the ball!
So that's the thing, I feel like Yathrow has ten deaths, but the reason why you were
praising Spirits of the Dead to keep the game alive, he was utilizing the folk really
nicely.
Right?
That is why one positive from this game for Spirit is Yathrow with Terrorblade
keeping his hero close to the illusions, cutting the waves, knowing where the vision
at night time is between the tier two, tier three.
He was doing everything in his power in the hope just to keep the macro game alive.
But then everything else was just obsolete.
It was just, yeah, nothing.
Yeah, we're gonna relive a moment where, for example, Laura had a little bit of a rough
time here, Lacoste.
Yeah, I mean, look at this hero.
He's sitting at 1800 plus HP with basically two items, and he's super tanky.
He's very difficult to be killed, but this is just the same, like, using that
earn that we talked about early on that he did pick up, and he has an observer
as well in his inventory. So he's gonna plant it down, provide extra bit of a vision.
You see Larl, he's trying to juke him, and they're playing like very aggressive at the moment.
But the save, he does not want to let go. He lands the shackle, and he's like, he's dead,
but he's not actually dead because you see this insane amount of HP in the end.
He's still gonna be able to get the kill. And also gotta say, I'm not the biggest
fan of the item that Larl did go for first. Because your safe lane's getting destroyed,
He's going for Ekko Saber as his first item instead, maybe a Blink Dagger would have been a better choice
because you still want to pick up the Blink Dagger.
But I guess also it comes down to changes that did happen to Toss where it's now, like the slows are now tied to your shard.
So it feels kind of eh, but still.
We've seen this build from Manny's Nisha on the mid lane from the tiny.
You go Ekko Saber, you then run through the map, get a couple kills, then you go back for like the utility.
So maybe he envisioned the game to be different, but it didn't.
You need to adjust, having tiny, having older accent power threads running around the map,
not being able to initiate, just feels awkward.
I think the whole game felt a little awkward from Team Spirit,
and here's the hoping that Game 2 will be a little more competitive.
We'll find out after a break.
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Hey guys, we're back to test the pros knowledge of 7.41. I'm here with Miara, one of the
brightest minds in Dota. How much did you memorize the patch when it came out?
How much time I read it?
Yeah, how long did you read it? How much did you study?
Not that much actually.
Great!
About a few hours.
A few hours, dude!
Oh goodness gracious.
Alright, well we have a challenge for you.
You have three minutes to guess as many questions as possible about the patch.
It's all about how quick you can do it and how correct you are.
Are you ready to roll? Alright.
I'm ready.
Let's do this.
Unlike allied heroes, enemy heroes are able to consume items left on the ground by a forager's kit. True or false?
The neutral item that you dig around the tanks?
Can enemies eat those things?
Eat those things? Enemies?
No, false.
Maybe it's true.
Well, you gotta pick.
But I know allies cannot eat.
Allies cannot, but enemies.
Okay, enemies...
Taking a long time with this!
Let's say true!
Ladies and gentlemen, he clutched it!
It is true! Enemies can't eat it!
That was a close one!
Prior to 7.41, the Tormentor could it deal damage to neutrals?
It no longer can. True or false?
She could deal before the patch.
That's right.
And it can't anymore.
True or false?
False.
Yeah, it actually was true actually yes, I could do that
They can't sit all right. We'll move on which one of the heroes did not have their base armor increased by one
Terribly animated Legion or death profit all of them did except for one. Oh, I think I do it for sure
their blade
template
You think you're right under the back. Yes a lot of people saying that no
Oh, it's Legion! He has so much armor already!
Alright, moving on.
Which of the following heroes has the most words on the original update page?
Tinker, Chain, Rubik, or Dragon Knight?
The longest description?
Oh, the description.
Yep, just the most words.
I mean, every one of them has a huge...
They were big.
...date, but...
hmm it's just a random let's say
there's one there's one there's Chen okay let's go for Chen lock and Chen we
gotta move now let's take care that's her and of course all that's pretty stuff
essence distillers ground target ability cannot reveal which of the
following in this units wards smoked units or units in the fog of war
Cannot reveal. Yeah, ever use this item? When you press it? When you put it on the ground. Yeah. It cannot reveal.
It cannot. Only one of these. Ah, words? That's correct! Words! Well done! There we go. We clearly just guessed, but no problem.
Which of the following heroes did not receive a change in every one of the patches? Doom, Tiny, Tinker, or Batrider?
All these heroes are in every patch except for one
Okay, um
Say tinker no no, of course not it wasn't tinker he was in everything
It's bad writer I last time can we do it really quick? What's a lot of following heroes cannot miss uphill?
They changed it only wintered wyvern cannot miss up till now. Okay, you did
All of room for improvement, do you really need to know the patch to be a good player?
I mean, if it's on the Russian language?
Yeah, okay, that instant.
This was just language barrier.
I believe you 100%.
I know how good you are.
All right.
Well, thank you for trying.
You did an incredible job.
Ish, let's get over and back to PGL Valakia season 8.
He did do an incredible job in game one, of course, together with the rest of his squad,
Bed Boom had a fantastic game one to the series against Team Spirit.
This is, of course, a series in the upper bracket winning here.
Will be a guaranteeing you top six and also continuing on in the upper bracket, which
is fantastic.
Loser will go to the lower bracket tomorrow.
I just hope that game two is a little bit more close.
Yeah.
I sure hope so.
I mean, they had a pretty slow entry to the tournament,
playing against Falcons, they did lose that one,
they played against Gamer Legion, got 2-0 as well,
and then they slowly started to pick it up,
lost the game against Navi,
but they started to win the series, turn it around.
Their best performance was yesterday
against Extreme Gaming.
This is where they looked the best,
the drafts looked the best as well.
I felt like in that series as well,
they played as a team,
like you could see what they wanted to do,
but in this one, it felt like they were afraid,
playing against Betboom. It feels like they were giving them so much respect what they
can actually do, especially with the good start that they did have.
Yeah, and I know, Teaguev, you were having a lot of focus on the draft for that Game
One, and that seems like this could be an easy fix when we're going into Game Number
Two. Where is it that you hope Team Spirit takes this draft?
I think it's the tiny sign that's there to me. It creates a lot of problems down
on the line, especially when you see the Beastmaster
picking science after.
You're kind of just inviting for counterpicks
to come into play.
And I think really strong drafting teams, the picks
they put into play make the opponent have to think,
and then you're surviving the draft.
The way Spirit drafted that game
was like they're conceding pick after pick, or it's like,
oh, yeah, you can count to this.
No, you can count to this.
Oh, you know you can count to this as well.
Oh, you're going to count to this?
And at no point was there any pressure.
So I just want Spirit to just create more punishment
the draft, keep some heroes more open, just pick maybe stronger heroes that aren't exploitable
to a beast monster that you saw from the first phase. But yeah, very much game one was just
self-inflicted, just because it was so low, it can only go up to play. That is the joy
of I guess a game one like that.
Yeah, and we also have things turned around. So for game number two, the sides are flipped,
so Batboom this time Radiant Spirit Dire and also the pick order flipped. So this
time around it is the spirit with first pick with bedroom overall last pick and in terms of the draft
we have a lot of similarities with a previous game but of course that beast master is removed from the
pool I finally answered the cost question oh he asked about deaths on your Torah yeah so if a patch
7.4 and 7.41 ending the game with 10 deaths he's only done it one time in both 7.4 and 7.41 and that
And that was just now.
This is another second time, technically.
OK, when was the first one?
It was a Clink's game.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I might not surprise.
Yeah, it's a kind of like the, I run around the map.
I want to split push, keep the game alive.
But yeah, for at least having double digit deaths
on this patch and the last patch,
yeah, only happened two times if you, of course,
include the game we just saw, not a common occurrence
for a player like you.
Yeah, and if you click on those, if it's boss seed
play, yeah, what would you like, mate?
Is he the one with the highest number of deaths in those games?
Oh, okay, I can check.
In the meantime, by the way, Rubik and Hootwing,
they were first-phase banned previous game,
19 spirits, and now will be the opening picks.
Echid talked about both of these supports in an interview,
saying that they are D-position fives of the patch for a good reason.
They just do way too many things,
super good laners, super good scaling as well.
Yeah, and if you let both through, you'll get one.
What's it, T?
He wasn't.
It was the the 10 clings game death game was actually collapsed at 11 deaths and panto had 15 deaths
Okay, it was that he also Birmingham with that would just so yeah
Well, what I initially say just doesn't happen like he doesn't have the most deaths in any of the games. Yeah, right
Crazy well anyway, we're back to draft
So much better looking already of course because guess what?
But wink rubik we heard from the interview of ecchi the two position forwards
they are the Generators.
That you just mentioned.
I'm so sorry!
I was just mentioning, I'm sorry, she right copied you.
I was just about to mention it earlier.
I'm sorry, of course, I wasn't listening.
You guys made me stat check for like three minutes, alright?
My brain was turned off, alright?
I was, I'm sorry guys.
Oh, you're good, you're good.
Anyway, like I...
We can talk about fresh things in the dark.
Can I make my point then?
Okay, cool.
So anyway, like Echie mentioned in the interview.
No, we can talk about a fresh part.
I'm sorry.
Because both of these, of course, fit in many different lineups.
We are now in the second band phase.
phase we've already have removed the underlord and the dawn breaker so some
offlaners removed from team spirit maybe intending to make it to our life a
little bit easier and that boom has now got one ban into the pick I'm just happy
that we have Rubik and it is good that we have both of them it's very
stable but it also means that this second phase is extra difficult right
right now for the teams because they are so versatile. These two heroes fit into basically
any type of draft you want to make. It feels good no matter what, no matter what. Like
all laners love to play these heroes in the current arena. Wow, an early one this time
round. GPK even more confident than before. And that's bold as well right because at
least from picking Puck, nowadays Voidjper is like the main hero you look towards.
Yeah. Out-sessing in the laning phase, naturally being able to itemize to be tanky against
the puck but also maybe even press the puck at some points so the fact that you you banned
half-girl pick puck and go you know what we don't care about your voice for it. Yeah I also want to see
if they decide to go with the silencer one more time or if Panto is going to be playing something
differently that's there's the answer straight away. And you guys said it it is good against
puck. It is it is good like two supports now I want to see you did mention voidsperd I want
to see if they want to pick it straight away or if they want to get something from
Batyuk from the Offlane. I mean they could pick Voidspirit because they actually
flex it. He plays it from the Offlane as well so they could have that flex open.
There's also a very different silence again, right? Like picking into Beastmaster,
you're asking to lose your lane, now it's like you don't see that type of hero. I think the
Lycans and the others who heroes might be a consideration. Mero is that, but as we already
mentioned with Voidspirit because I have started listening during the draft which is very helpful.
is very very strong but expected it's not as if BB is going to be you know
taken back by this the Panthers only playing science though is like the
last three series now boys were into counter to puck yeah and there that
flex potential needs still there so where does Betton want to take this
one are there any usual suspects still the pool I feel like there should be
B.B.G.
Off the top of my head.
Wait, that's not where I was expecting the energy and protectors, so that's your safe lane right there.
That's kind of a cool way to draft it as well.
As they know they can punish the silencer and lane with like an axe, a lycan.
Like a really strong either zoo or laning hero.
But if they pick it now, your Toro counts as it.
Yes.
If you don't pick it now, obviously you get to eat two more bans, your Toro has to pick his carry.
you can find a way to punish a weaker lane like the silencer.
Marta, a hero that we've only really seen, I think,
Tomato liked it a lot. European qualifiers, they liked it like
first phase pick and ban in the qualifiers, but just very, very
formidable. You naturally itemize to deal with silencer, you don't really care.
It's another hero that we've mentioned. You pop your ult, Global's in play,
you don't care, you're already getting your right clicks out, right?
Same kind of logic as like a carry win ranger.
So the question is whether they want to be running this with Spirit from
from the off lane or pick a different off lane.
There's still like Tidehunter available,
which can be parked in front.
Their catch is okay-ish.
It's nothing crazy,
but this gives them lower cooldown catch.
This is a hero that I don't think anybody else,
except for Miero, did play at least, at least I haven't seen it.
Okay, maybe they squeezed in a couple more games.
But it's also kind of cool, right?
You know, I'm already thinking of acts of BB themselves.
And now, you know, Spirit take it away.
course throughout the entire game, a blink blade battle on water is quite a fun way to
deal with her, you know, an insane damage she can do. In spirit, it's a lot of just
cheap heroes, like it's go go go, lots of scumish, lots of fight. You're really going
to see them kind of just shine a bit more in this game, because they can actually
play into the map unlike the last game. What the offender is now left for Miro.
They have overall the last pick so
They could see I mean we've seen
Potentially doomed that could come out just to be able to take out Yattaro out of the game depending what he's gonna be picking
So they have that extra bit of oomph. They did remove centaur, which is
A bit of a saving hero once you get to the agonim scepter
he builds into Lotus, so a lot of the annoying things that you can dispel, remove, remove
the break, remove global silence. So this is a good ban. It also like potentially can build
into aura items if necessary, but the cart is the big one. Having something that can
save Muerta like post 30 minutes feels really good when Axe initiates with the blade mail.
I also think of a carry that can continue kiting. The idea of you go in, you poke
You poke a coil, you poke the pistol, you disengage, then actually you're taking the real fight, that's kind of how I'm looking.
Is that like...
I think Luna is really good. I think this is something that a couple of teams used as a response to Marta where you are playing off of your ulti and also picking up earlier Agadem Scepter even though the 40 second cooldown is now tied to your level 20 but you're also a Manta style buyer and you buy a BKB.
two ways of dispelling things and it allows you to put that ulti onto your void spirit or on axe
because I think it needs to be hybrid damage dealing carry. It also helps against the potential
offlanes for Miro right like a brew master in play you can itemize with Lotus or Manta very
quickly to deal with the global probably Lotus realistically and then your split against axe
is so threatening if he jumps you you don't die you get split you don't care about anything else
now in the game so consideration and Luna at least would stop thinking about the
more beefy offlaners so it is arranged here as a carry that you're looking for
for you Toro
they have good amount of magic damage they have the blade mail BKB carrier on
on acts that.
Oh, that was right.
No, please.
No, I literally have nothing to say.
I just cried.
Just all getting on.
Yeah, it was a great analysis.
That was my best draft, I'll be honest.
A lot of thought going into this one.
Can we learn anything from the bands
in terms of the center and the Kunkka?
Or are those just comfort?
It's the pickup.
It's just something that makes them tankier,
so they don't die straight away.
I think they are looking for a hero
that's gonna make Murta's life easier.
Like Tidehunter is also still available
in terms of like just counter initiating.
We saw the same matchup yesterday against Silencer,
where you would be going for like a BKB
just to be able to counter initiate straight away.
I think it was X-axis.
He looked good.
He looked really good.
Like the double ravages that he was managing
to punch out against Silencer
against the refresher as well felt really good.
The only way you could be swayed away from picking a Titan to surely is only picking Ursa or something, because I'm a bit surprised.
I thought Titan was one of the strongest Offlaners at the moment, so banning out the center and the Kunkka.
What about Morphling?
For Spirit?
For Spirit, yeah, it's another Mantabire.
Can you turn into your own Perseval? Does that work? Can you turn into Muerta and then hit Perseval?
Because now it's tied to your ulti, it's not your innate anymore, so it doesn't work.
Like Grimstone can steal you from clones, but you can't...
They go for the first option.
Yeah, it was probably the best one, none of the ones that we mentioned.
Because it's just going to repeat the reasons, double the spell,
and also spell damage that plays with both of the initiators,
and then you have global silence as well, so...
That's a very good thinking from Spirit, very solid draft.
It is a draft that kind of plays through its excessive lane, right?
Like Luna plays her lane, then she retreats to jungle, getting like Mantar plus one,
Axe will potentially win his lane and then run through the map and kill everything, same thing with Voidspirit.
So for BB, they need to be aware of this, they need to respect the fact that Luna
is very efficient with her farm, Axe and Voidspirit are going to keep trying to kill you.
Like! They still go for it, okay.
They love the zoo, they see this silencer and they're like, we want to ruin this guy.
It seems like they came prepared seeing how many times like prior to this series Pamphlet played sounds are five times
Yeah, I mean don't look at the stats there guys zero and four watch out. It's not looking too hot
But I think I think how many of those were in the hands of me. I don't have he played it. Yeah, he has not played it
So it is in regards to spirit, I think they they very much respected the potential
Lichen pick right they already went to the acts who can be quite good against the like and just jumping him
They have a lunar as well that is a carry that can stand to a ground
She's not as squishy as she was in the past naturally itemizes for it
I think spirit was always considering like an as an option
But for BB they just got a very kind of clean looking draft like and should be able to farm his lane
Morta will always be able to scale it kind of feels like a battle of kind of execution in the midgame with these two lineups rather than
Really looking at either one just breaking I like their draft and this game number two on side of spirits so much more
It's a very good scaling draft that supports can move around play with the mid lane as well
And also carry a carry matchup this Agadam scepter want to see when Yathrow is going to be buying it because Luna
She gets a lot of levels and you have pretty much two perfect heroes to jump in and get that eclipse going and we saw the
Laughing at the end there, you know, they seem to be always in a good spirits. Yeah
Yeah.
Very good.
Great, my big life and all that.
No, but do you think then this game, to your lot, happy with the draft as well?
Obviously, critical on game one, this is better.
Again, the game was so...
Ugh.
But everything's better now.
Everything is better now.
That's what we want to hear.
We also want to hear from Coach Milan with Slack.
Thank you so much, Iver.
Yup, I am here with Coach Milan.
I've got to ask you, before you guys went into that game, after the draft,
Lots of smiling, lots of laughing, what's going on?
You guys ready to recover from Game 1 pretty easy, huh?
I mean, they just had a first bit.
I think it's like we throw our idea at them.
It didn't work.
Like some things are maybe not so close,
but now they throw their idea at us and we'll see how it goes.
I think like we don't have any pressure.
We're just trying to do best we can and like going game by game.
So like I think it's very important to just reset
no matter what happened Game 1.
And I think we can do it.
Great! I'm glad to hear that.
Yeah, we're looking for a much more competitive game too here.
So I will ask you though, we did get the GPK puck again,
and now we see the save, Rubik.
Kind of scary picks to be giving them.
Obviously, you know this team super, super well.
You played against them a billion times.
How confident are you after giving them those picks?
I mean, they're just like great players, like save and GPK.
Like if you buy like four save heroes, like 15 Ranger come out, etc.
It's just like a lot of these Premier players, like TRS players, like two of them that won
a bunch of tournaments, they just have like a lot of heroes, so you cannot ban them all.
And you know, we choose to play against these.
They choose to play against some of our good heroes, so we'll see what's up.
Alright, fantastic.
Last question for you then.
So we had Yataro coming out, obviously on the Luna, kind of exciting.
Luna has not won a game yet.
Can you reveal what made her a special pick in this one?
Luna is just one of the good carries, that is very limited pool versus Muerta, and Luna
is just one of them, and she has a combination of magical and right-click, and it's like
last pick, so you're going to get countered, and she's one of the heroes that has least
countered, so I think it's pretty simple.
Alright, well thanks for your fantastic answers here, very informative, do a pretty
one, you laughing?
I thought they were good, he just knew it, now I know that he had an actual
answer.
get out too much. But I think it's common knowledge.
Alright, well hopefully it is common knowledge. Thank you so much. I know you're itching to
get back into the game. So let's go ahead and see that game with my boy Lizard and Mr.
Snare.
Thank you very much, Slacks. Of course, team Spirit Liz, they are not falling into despair.
They are living up to their name, maintaining optimism. When you look at this draft,
do they have a reason to feel confident about game 2?
I feel like they do. Nice to see Milan on a grand stage, by the way, as well coaching a big team.
I think he coached them into a good position right now when it comes to the draft.
You have a Void Spirit versus a Puck, plus a Silencer, so the mid lane overall should be in a much better state.
Last game, Larl had just too much on his back that he couldn't carry out on his own.
This time around, I feel like he has good supports, and he's a Void Spirit in a pretty decent matchup on the mid lane.
Speaking of lane, this is interesting, they decided to put Panto down bottom instead of the hoodwink, what do you think the rationale is behind this decision?
We're not going to have any trees down bottom, it could be one of the reasons, right? Like you're playing versus Trianth, you're cutting down all the trees because of that, so it's a little bit harder to use the bush back and it's a little bit harder for hoodwink to play around the trees against the support that can usually walk over them.
So, it does make the lane a little bit weaker on the both side, but it makes the lane on top a lot better.
Mid lane and all this is GPK.
It stands at the moment. GPK does have this CS advantage.
Also has access to this Living Armor, so it's one of the sustain and the regeneration will always be ahead of this whiteboard.
I wonder if the Living Armor is actually the difference maker here, because so far GPK is doing really well in the part of the game where it's actually Larl,
who's generally supposed to do better, right. This early on, you're melee, you have a lot of attack speed,
your attack damage is nice and void spirit. CSing should not be a problem.
On the side of the map we have Miro on his lichen.
My god 46 games historically on this hero, 65% winrate. What doesn't he have 65% winrate on?
Like he's a pretty mean offlaner in all scopes. If he's playing your blink initiators,
Axe, Lardar's whatever, he does well, the summons as well, he can play in a pretty, pretty
high fashion, so Lycan will be the hero for him here.
I was calling for, in the last game as well, if you remember, I was calling for a hero with
summons, even though they couldn't really fit it in, but so many supports right now
are just screaming to get overwhelmed by summons, Lycan's, Beast Masters, all these
kind of heroes, silencers, ringmasters, they just dislike playing into them.
Well, then Kanto should be yelling at his team, guys, please do not let their well-liked
form, but now Yatoro might be in danger here.
We're cracked to stall out the like-in, Yatoro falling lower, but so is Miro, who's going
to end up being the first blood here.
It doesn't seem like any one of them.
Say it, Peter Lucentame, but Yatoro just using it to create some space, get himself
to safety.
I noticed the panel mentioning by the way eclipse and how strong it is in this game
There's a lot of things that
Get spread out over a multitude of units right eclipse being one of those and so is a cross shot
So even though it is pretty damn good at the same time when you have all these wolves running around when you have a helm of
Dominator creep like the damage can be sometimes spread out thin and it works against you
And so why is Panto getting attention?
Because of the water room secure.
Like, usually you see a middle laner tip the enemy's support this early on because the
water room was secured on his side, but no one came for his water room, so you have
to move back to the fountain.
No plane, Triant actually rotating as well.
I came to the Trinket, they left Yatoro back towards the rest of Bed Boon team.
Yatoro eats another blood grenade.
The wolves will flip at his ankles and he will end up dead.
Save will be fine.
He gets it with the right click, right?
He's the one that starts things off the same way he did in game number one.
Surely there's no way he doesn't die in this game, right?
It's a much harder game to remain doubtless on a support roaming.
Like you're playing versus a Void Spirit, eventual blink on axe.
It's much easier to fall if you're slightly out of position.
This is problematic though. Look at the CS difference between Yatoro and Miro here.
Katoumi hasn't left yet. He's still sticking around.
We will TP out though because they are trying to skip these waves, but they could potentially punish here.
Axe is kind of low as well, trying to cut waves.
Yeah.
Oh, there's no TP fortunately for him on GBK, so this Puck can't just show up out of nowhere as he was doing in Game 1.
Katomi is keeping tracks, you know, he's still following him, stalking the Axe.
Just saying, hang on, what's up?
Dead shot, we'll connect nicely, but Patrick should be able to get on strike safely.
Zeus?
Something?
AA Blast?
Minute 6 ruined.
Josane is gonna go the way of GPK again, of course.
They were stacking up on the side of Team Spirit to contest for a bottom, but sadly, just spawned top.
GPK very happy about this.
Yeah, within this of course the map opens up to plane is
Definitely an option for them during nighttime with like and
Didn't really have to play around him like you the lane has been
Sufficiently pressured on top lane. I would say that like and is able to just chill on his own
We did have a century ward behind the Luna so that will protect her from an inverse gank
But they still bring back hata. Oh me. I'm just shame protect her
Even though Katom is making all of these 4As to the top side of the map, hasn't impacted
Kiriti to just farm whatsoever.
Having a fantastic time in the lane.
Because Silencer was the position 4, right?
So you can't really dive to Murta with Silencer and Axe.
So Murta is free farming, but what needs to be said, so is Batyuk, like he's just
skipping waves behind the tower, getting a lot of CS.
are about to pick up his helm on the Dominator? Of course he is. That's even
faster by the way than in the last game. The difference of course is this time
around it's without an old tally. Yes. And he isn't pressuring as much, he is.
With Lycan, usually you don't go for any small intermediate items, you know
like bracers and stuff. You can just instantly rush into the helm of
Dom. Maybe a magic wand of course but that's about it. No boots even
necessary right now about your and the jungle as well in the
mid lane has level 7 which are being flown out to him if they pick up the
right room can law go anywhere to try and leverage that and use his spells to get
some kills right hold I thought he might need help himself he someone to
come to him because TPK is used up the dreamclaw here but you will come and
close the gap beautiful push rack on the two with the astral step finding
both of the supports cut the homie will be the first one that gets
First the doubt, save, trying to run himself away, but Batjuk on the chase with the right clicks able to find the kill.
Rudo might not survive this, as GPK will kill him with the help of the units sporting from Miro across the map.
It's pretty cool, this has become a standard by the way, from Lycan players to just constantly send their units across the map.
Usually they do it in conjunction with the shapeshift, so they use the ulti to fax the creeps.
But even without it, the Settar this early on of course brings a pretty strong nuke.
I heard you can't definitely hopped, but still a good start from Team Spurt.
They have now made sure that they kill save.
You kill save, you're already on a much better track than Game 1.
They're slowing him down.
They recognize the true carry of that boom team, at least early on.
Like he has...
Can't allow him to be betteless in the full series.
Well, how's the run of shadows?
Do you think you should finish the Vessel before going for Agz or just go straight Agz right now?
I think Vessel is like a standard build on Void Spirit, we'll see what he goes for.
I think Vessel is good, Agz is a super impactful though.
And when I look at Vessel in this game it doesn't strike me like the best item
to go for.
He did take the T1 tower on the top lane, Laurel has caught up to the puck in terms of
his impact in the laning phase at least.
He killed his courier, that kind of sucks, but let's have his pow trades.
They're coming mid though, they summoned Wolf as well for the scout, the Settarist
here makes me think they want to use the shapeshift.
T1 tower has been taken, this is like your natural progression whenever you're playing
like and you want to take every single objective as soon as possible tier one top transition into tier one mid
His units with the satter already beating on the tower they force out the cliff
They also pressured law in such a way that he had to leave. Oh, wow
Get it each solo killing and so there
Your one towers gonna fall as well. So despite things looking a lot better for this bird
It could still be a disaster as they drop the dream coil out onto this hoodwink
Falling low is ruined, Enchini will die, but he does drop the push-rack down before he does.
Law can't finish off Kataomi, however.
Saved, lifted him away, prevents the full combo, and is able to bet room to escape.
This team is just so damn good at pressuring with the Karthi waves, you know.
They're just good, coming strong out of the laning stage and pressuring the full map.
Two gains in a row.
And some things haven't really changed a lot, both lane, Kiritich.
I know Rashem down, he did do the beautiful deadshot earlier, now he has a calling.
Gavadjup will not be able to find the core that he needs
and so quite a bit of damage, that was one lift
couple hits and one fade bolt, you know, that half HP
They didn't have pierced the rail, low mana on Muerta so couldn't really convert into a full kill
Top lane Pak was thinking about going on Luna with the Lycan creeps but
no Dreamclaw as well on him, so no ulti's
no fun
And I can...
Bro, he's got the hell mother overload of almost there.
Just 600 gold out.
There's like a huge difference in the style of the offlaner
that Team Spiritum got right now
and what Nero is bringing to the table.
Right on one side, it's very greedy.
It's an axe. He needs Blade Mail plus Blink
before he's truly active.
And Trot connect beautifully onto Panto.
The creep was scouting out where the silencer was.
Team Spirit had to respond extremely quickly to kill the Alpha Wolf.
He was doing a bit more than scouting, it almost killed him by the way, because Shapeshift was used on the other side to give him that extra damage and speed.
Can't win.
Luna Orbit will be used up by the Luna, so she's chilling. GPK doesn't want to aggress onto her, obviously he gets another rune, he literally has gotten all of them in this game.
They controlled the runes very nicely for him and he lucked out with the initial runes, so...
It truly makes a huge difference, what we...
He towards safe. Pushwrap will be there long.
We'll have not be able to get a quick kill just yet.
Ruth, what a sharp shooter it missed, but eventually they do manage to bring him down.
Ruth, let's take credit for that kill.
And you can see that Void Spirit, by the way, opted not to go for a full vessel.
Instead, he's going for shard next to help out a little bit when it comes to farming
and straight into the agonies after, which is, I think, the proper move.
When you look at these heroes on the other side, the max HP truly never goes way too high,
and they have even a built-in Dispel on Muerta, so just buying a Vessel doesn't really feel that great,
but it also feels that one of the most natural builds that Void Spirit wants to go for isn't there for him.
Save going to be building into some Essence Distiller, of course, GPK.
Think of progress towards the witchblade the most important thing though that team spirit
They're not that far behind in the gold department. They're still finding far one the Luna
She's steadily but surely climbing in the network charts. They're not I've been really able to find her in the jungle
Some pressure out onto Laurel here gene flow will now be used up
We don't have enough damage to get the full kill on to Laurel just yet
You will be able to get off the decimulate jumping away with the astral step TPK chasing him
The self-heal will come in from the earner's shadows.
Yatoro will emerge from the jungle to put a Lucent beam out onto GPK, slow down his approach to LARO, and that should save the Void's bird.
I love how Miro is trying to play a semi-loader, just not showing up to the fights, just using the shape.
Overgrowth from Katohumi, they call it LARO!
It's gonna work in the end.
Oh my goodness, the vision granted by these creeps is just incredible from Miro.
There's one thing to be said about Lycan-esque offlaners currently.
There's no control, and sometimes that's detrimental for your team, right?
You have an offlane without a stun, GG. It's too hard to play Dota.
But their lineup has an abundance of control.
You have Puck with Dream Coil, you have Lyft from Rubik, you have Overgrowth.
So Lycan, I feel like, has a pretty good fit in this kind of draft.
Bartjuk is trying to finish off this Blink Dagger. He is relatively close at this moment.
On the other side of the map, would you ever smoke from GPK and save?
They recognize that Yartaro is getting more out of this game than he should be.
Unfortunately by the time they make this move, Yartaro has already gone all the way to the
other side of the map. Yartaro, by the defender gates. Lull, he'll be the one that gets
caught out instead. Save, list him back. They silenced Mop Mero with the creeps.
Help the killer before he can jump away.
At this time around they didn't really stack their stuns, they disabled him properly, he didn't manage to use a single spell.
Just broke Dreamcull by the way, on his own as well, so that's killed very quickly.
I think it's not that they're pressuring Luna and trying to find her, it's that they're not pressuring Axe.
Like they recognize that Axe is not their prime target, like they never truly invaded the triangle.
They never tried slowing the blink dagger down and he has his timing now, Axe has a blink, has blade mail
And this is basically the two items that completely activate the team spirit. From this point on smokes
Plays across the map are definitely possible
We literally just bought a smoke as you were speaking, it's flying out to the Hoodmink. Hoodmink Axe is a very strong duo
Group up, up to smoke
let's see what they can find the scan from radiant will catch all of them
actually he's a vision the distiller witness that distiller they go the
creeps as well to find extra vision they will not get caught out by this even
force to drop a bushwax just to hold back the wolves of the lichen
keep in mind I believe that if you use the stiller on a smoke targets you
still get vision of it no so it's not only visual debuff you know where his
They're not done with this though, they're gonna continue with this movement, they're gonna come across Kiricic, what a calling!
He manages to ensure that there is no possibility of them calling him.
Rule triangle escape right now, we'll have the scurry stolen away, GPK hits him with a dreamclaw.
He'll snap it, but the back is in his forfeit.
In the back, like you said, Shree finds the overgrowth onto Batjuk.
They need the rest of the team to come through, Meryl's dragon is gonna be here disabling the blink dagger of Batjuk.
And I'm just holding and slow him down.
It's a tier one tower, so it's a dangerous dive to go for.
Hanzo though will just offer himself up as a sacrifice, giving Bachuk the way out.
To that dragon, they dealt so much damage to the silencer.
The reason why silencer hates playing it to summons is demonstrated quickly to us.
They have Lobo by the way, they just didn't want to use it after a failed attempt.
AXE!
AXE!
AXE!
Dude!
Kataomi!
Let the brother live!
Let him leave!
Mero!
Shows up with the dragon and they kill him off.
Even if Kataomi dies, this is well worth it.
Kataomi?
Getting in the trees.
The dust is used as he gets out.
No way.
Actually fine.
And now they're thinking about re-engaging.
They have save here.
GPK.
15 seconds away from having Dreamclaw.
Mero.
Are you taking a solid chunk of Lord HP just with this black dragon?
He actually killed Axe with Fireball from the Dragon.
He was in the right position just with the Dragon to use the Fireball to eliminate Axe under the Tower.
They're creating so much space for Murata.
Oh, you gave away Ashblastep. That's an amazing spell for Rubik.
Mobility before you can... don't have to buy Blink or Force Thoth.
Look at Silencer. He's dying.
Silencer? He died to the wolves.
Did you just die to Lichenwolves?
Yep, he did.
it once again it is demonstrated to us while it sucks why it sucks playing
silencer into a lichen it's three wolves that are hunting him down yeah that's
sure that he brought on Miro already having a pretty major impact on the
game by the way that was without shape shift so just standard three wolves
killed him no shape shift used I might have shape shift used now because he
He smoked up with GPK in them.
Kataomi gets an overgrowth on the three axe.
Does still manage to find the core.
They do blow up Kataomi, but they're gonna fight this.
Get shot goes forward.
Bajuk left behind to fail for himself against Kiritich.
And Kiritich rips him apart.
Luna, quote with the dream quill, unable to escape.
She is gonna die granting a double kill to Kiritich.
Rue, will he be able to get out of here himself?
The shadow amulets will provide some cover,
but no, my goodness save.
Level 4 fade bolt and the Lucent beam to cancel out the TP, Rubik playing some really good Dota here
These heroes are just melting and the Dota and the tips why they're even tipping him is actually the essence distiller
Like he's constantly applying it on all the right targets. No one can escape
You can't joke all of these wolves all of these heroes when you're under vision and keep in mind that essence distiller because of
curiosity lasts longer it's a debuff duration applied to him so you can't
even get rid of it without a discol. They're the ones playing a silencer but
I feel like they're the ones that need a Lotus or Eul's or something at this point.
Man we still haven't actually seen Baja be able to get the Blink or on a primary
target. Every smoke that they've made so far has failed right and it was more
or less a skill issue. Every time they smoked they got silenced they got
interrupted in one way or another, Kirit is just very quick with his calling on the bot lane.
Team spirit, 5k behind. It's crazy that you're 5k behind at 20 minutes and that represents a
significant upgrade from game one. Miro, is that shapeshift? The shapeshift hasn't been popped just
yet but he is chasing Natura with these walls. That's scary when a carry needs to run away
away from the summons alone. Second game in a row that Nero is the top net worth in the
game. He's about to have... what's he building with this? Is it an AC? There's no way this
is an AC. It's an AC, almost has it. Just a thousand gold away from AC already. He's
been farming for quite some time now. Go with the dream quail. They have the vision.
No way out of this one. GPK, next yet another kill. Look at silencer. He's dead.
I'm gonna die yet again to wolves yep can't even TP out. I feel bad for the observers because you see a hero
He's running around alone and still some somehow dying without a hero being nearby. It's it's
You feel the pain in my voice I've experienced I've been there
I know how painful it is to play against this is PTSD for me right now
The thing is like there was a couple of players with the patch hit in that's changed basically everything that started playing
Lycan. Like high MMR players were even testing the Lycan on mid lane just because of this
kind of a build. Of course it's not competitively far from being meta, but on the offlane it's
definitely viable.
Rusha number one, gonna fall the way of that boom team. We keep the Aegis towards heritage,
Despite having participated in a couple of kills, he's been doing his best to just stay unnoticed, stay out of trouble.
But soon he's going to have DKB and I think that approach is going to change once that item emerges.
I feel like he's still very killable, right? That's why he was trying to be as passive farming all the safe spots.
For the best, I feel like Moertha currently is in more or less the best state that Zero has ever been in as a position one.
You just need to get to your items and he's slowly but surely getting there the mixed damage on the other side won't really matter once you get a
DKB
It's all about positioning though. You're still playing into a very volatile lineup like you have the axe with blink blade mail
eventual DKB I
Know there's 7k behind, but I won't write steam spirits off just yet
You just also pick up that agonist after a faster that by a minute in average
Considering how things were looking earlier for long. It's pretty good
It's faster than average, but keep in mind that it's also without the full vessel.
So there's your minute, 1k gold in the item and about 1k the recipe as well.
Smoke from the team, magic.
Something on the other side of the map here, getting closer towards his own BKB as well.
Panto.
Just paranoid, that's a TPR again.
oh no he's not going to be able to because gpk they were smoked he couldn't find a more viable target
today say well let's just pullypanto a little bit longer but they did use a coil and you know
as a support there's always that silver lining that you're used to have some copium i'm so low
level i respawn fast anyway here we go he's up in 10 seconds get a titch with the sages
He's wanting to stop putting some damage onto the tier 3 tower here.
They didn't just yet convert all their gold though.
No BKBs, no AC, unradiant.
This might be a bit premature.
Let's see how far they went on Christmas.
They bring in the Lycan ones as well.
The Coiling is dropped down by a Kiritage.
So we'll protect him from Batjuk.
Batjuk still shy 300 gold for getting BKB.
But eventually, Bedboom Team will be like, we've done enough, we've drawn enough
for their heroes back into the base.
That's retreat, play the game safely,
no need to take unnecessary risks.
It's understandable, right?
Like 50 gold away from AC,
BKB was literally in the courier flying out,
so there's still a tier two tower on bot lane,
ready to be taken.
So this is the more disciplined approach,
even though it is giving Team Spirit a bit
of a breathing room for Axe to complete his level 15
and the BKB.
Luna, BKB was just picked up.
They don't know this, but Puck also just grabbed an A on this, or the Batz grab an A on this rather, so...
We need to make these moves happen before that item arrives.
Laul might be happy to find his silencer, it's just doing absolutely nothing.
There's the DKB for Batjuk, time to do something.
They should initiate.
They're smoked up.
Killing Titch.
If someone's standing in front, drops a calling again.
But there's a DKB for Batjuk.
Just unable to find the proper angle.
They don't know where the tree is.
They don't know where this Rubik is standing.
The lack of vision preventing them from starting the fight.
Wolves in the back, right? Hunting you, giving vision. That's the problem. Wolves are actually on top of Laurel, so...
Another thing, of course, that you get from, like, not only is he killing supports with the summons alone, he's always giving vision to his teammates.
That's enough info to just back out if necessary, or smoke out as well.
Well, they really want to take this on the side of team spirit yet, or oh, it's the one that's standing outside
It gets fear. Can they kill him before the fight gets really started the dream quail onto this Luna
It's gonna hang around for a little bit kid. It's it hasn't been able to get fully involved just yet
There's the global silence that the team will come back a little bit for now
And so last half of his HP just to wolves at this time doesn't die
Not about this engage if your team spirits right like yes, of course you wasted a very big spell
That's the global silence, two minutes on cooldown, but you didn't use BKB on Luna.
Shapeshift was used, and Dreamclaw on the other side.
This might give them an opportunity to strike, now that the Aegis will be reclaimed in 30 seconds.
Yeah, but look at these Lichenwolves shadowing right behind them, they know what's happening.
Batjok still finds the Claw onto GBK, and Undersk will proc Gatoro.
They'll be getting dragged back into the calling, doesn't manage to walk away from now.
Kiddich still has Pierce the Veil.
I can't tell me, just throwing out these nations graph, he blinks forward, doesn't find any targets for the overgrowth though.
Team spirit will be forced to retreat.
The walls are just following them, and it's like the walls are doing everything for Petbull.
Look, there's just constant under vision, and you know what, it's not only that they're under vision,
they're forced to use all of these defensive spells, or spells that could be used offensively, just to stay alive.
Like in the last fight, they used Bushwag and Akron shot and everything else on the dragon and the wolfs.
Axe.
Axe now, essentially being Quad out here, does find a call, but he gets lifted back closer to where the rest of Dead Boon's team are.
And he does not want to waste the BKB. He knew that no matter what he would die, overgrowth was available from Kataomi.
I think we are really good inspired by all the vulnerable players. He's literally not joining fights with the main wolf.
If the Lycan himself is just chilling in the back and he's just sending these creeps constantly
This is what Dota has become now
his middle
The s3 tower not long for this world like and finally Danes if necessary to get involved
On the high ground breaking the base
There's gonna be a dream quail on the two law as well as this pants will court out over girls goes in beautifully done
They kill off law and so barely survives
has to wander back into the fountain without Lall and with Batjuk still being
dead there's no potential to punish this move. Here's the whale still up, BKB
still up, but so is Axe. It's okay they will be disciplined, they take one side,
a couple of kills they fall back then they're playing this very nicely. It
would be so easy to get baited into trying to go for another side but
there's a buyback of course of the Void Spirit as well. This for sure has to
be the cleanest series you've seen a team play across the multiple games.
Super clean. Absolutely. Game one and now game two looks pretty much the same. I feel
like Luna is in a weird spot right now. I think the hero is like the power spikes. You're
strong in the laning stage, decent against a lot of heroes that are meta. Sure, it's
hard to counter her, but there's like a very, very long downtime on her. It's like
between the healing stage and the butterfly.
I feel like this year, it's a long time.
And I feel like this hero is useful,
but not nearly as much as some other carries.
We heard on the panel of Kostros,
it's Kostre, the Aghanim Scepter.
Yeah, that's a pipe dream right now.
Because you still wanna get the butterfly,
you might even want Stannix, Silverage.
It's a good build.
It can come in handy,
especially versus heroes like Murta.
But I feel like it is a little bit
of a pop mentality when you're going for aggs.
Most of the time you get it as last resort.
Save.
Does get a left back onto Pachuk.
GPK closes the gap and won't get the BKB out of Pachuk.
He's been so disciplined at not using this, but it eventually is forced out of him.
Can they still chase him?
Uh, they're gonna try.
But Katoumi wasn't close enough with the overgrowth.
Without the Dream Coil as well.
It's used, you can't really continue, but a lot of blink daggers of course, one on rubik, one on treant,
next time if they catch him out of position it will be very difficult to get away even with the vkb.
How lichen is going blink dagger as well?
It's actually surprisingly standard on lichen, just to be able to jump the backlines you can get for
The overwhelming Gordus fifth link as well with it.
So finally we'll see the like and join fights is what I'm hearing.
That's what we hope for.
Kiritich three minutes faster on his daily timing on this murder.
This actually might be the easiest carry series Kiritich has ever played in his entire life.
It seems that way for sure.
He's 4-0-0, like he got a couple of really nice kills, but I feel the bot lane tier 2 save with the calling was actually instrumental to the state of the game.
The fact that the first blink, blade mail, play from axe didn't work out, it just completely stops your playstyle.
Instead of converting that perhaps into a tier 2 push, you're now forced to flee as you're losing your position 4.
Fasten the fingers.
Might decide to combo up together again on the side of team spirit
The outro has the full hurricane pike
Still in search of that butterfly
He's got the gem as well when your carry is carrying the gem because the bulbs are just nasty and on top of you all the time
He's also the only one that kind of clears them easily, right?
Has lunar orbit can actually deal some extra splash damage to all of the wolves
Wolves will go in search of some prey, and right behind the rest of Bed Boom Team, they see Yatoro.
The wolves have done their job. He might be able to kill them very quickly.
They could still set up for a big fight here. Lawl, the first one that gets caught out, Global Silence will be extended
but the BKB from Kyrintzich, he, this blows up Lawl. Lawl has to buy back, save, stole the call.
You did it to bring Badger and Yatoro back into the fight, into the waiting arms of Kyrintzich.
He demolishes them both. Lawl as Lawl, bought back, trying to keep this fight going.
That's the guy back there.
The calling will be there and the overgrowth holds him within it.
It's a dieback on the Void Spirit.
There's no buyback on your Toro.
Rue getting chased by the Lycan.
Will at least be able to escape for now, but save is like not, then.
It's not going to be that easy. Here we go.
We're going to try and bring him back.
Okay.
He's survived though.
TP's out, but you don't have a buyback.
Colar like he bought back.
He died back.
Your Luna just absolutely evaporated.
Disappeared.
And so do your Rax.
Of course you did save.
Stealing the call, like not something that you... I mean, it's a very good spell on Rubik, of course.
If you can get in and get out, and if you're in the lead, 7k damage by Muerta.
This game is... even Axe resurrecting. I think this is just a matter of time.
Yeah, this is Magus for sure.
Axe, if he jumps in, will just die very quickly.
Even gets hit with the dead shot there, making sure that he can't actually enter the fight.
They're just throwing the nature's grass after him. They're like, dude, you're not getting here.
Just go back to your fountain. That's where you belong.
Yeah, the only angle that he could have attacked him from were the trees.
But at this point, even if he blinks in, I think he just dies.
Like, there's no way in hell he's getting any of these kills down.
This has made all the more tragic a tutorial and bought out for you, Yggosong.
Before that fight happened. So, he's not only did he not tap by it, but he's not going to for quite some time.
Actually, the courier that was carrying the Eagle Song gave them some info too.
Like they were smoked up, and the way that it was positioned and moving gave them full info on where he was.
Made the fight a little bit easier.
Well, Roshan, oh, the wolves, they just got the smoke.
GPK goes to break that smoke, we'll be able to get back.
Lala has jumped very far forward here, Lala is not close to his team.
The jump forward from Jiddieshidr, the blink dagger, they just blow up this voice bridge.
The Toro now as well. One shot from the loo-
They went to take away a third of his HP, gonna try to stand his ground, but there's absolutely no way they can do it.
Even with the PKB eclipse, it makes no difference.
They make sure that they kill off Batrug as well. The call did absolutely nothing.
GG, well played, is called.
Betboom team, leaving absolutely no doubt as who is the superior Eastern European pros right now.
Oh, absolutely. It's hard to even argue.
Yatoro in the end, at least he managed to use one ulti before dying,
but I believe that was the first ulti of the game that I have seen from him.
Yes.
Most likely, just master class of Betboom in every single lane,
but more than anything else, the Lycan.
More than anything else, Miro today had a standout performance,
so did Save, so did Kiriti, so did Katowami,
Shiva, can you all break down what on earth is the recipe to defeat that boom team?
Well, I think for Team Spirit, I don't know if the recipe would have saved them in this case.
I think this game too, we saw the right and the more obviously when the draft was already done,
but then when the silencer died to the three wolves, just normal wolves, the tip's coming out,
I think yeah, and then he died again
They were pretty much killing them with the summon from like and and she was like they they did the homo for it comes down to
What comes down to abusing this silencer?
Because they picked it five times prior to this series and the they they had to do something about it
And look at the game like three wolves running running around Mero pretty much staying on top of the network
and
Total score from team spirit in both of these games is nine kills. Ouch. That's such a big ouch
It can't just have been the silencer. I refuse to believe that. Oh, no
You can we can throw it we can throw a lot into it. I feel okay because in this game
It's like the draft felt a little bit better
But then it's like the puck appears you pick voice for it because you know getting pucks of BBs force out the voice
spirit and then because they go for the tree and the water it's like you're
kind of holding the offline pick you know that the silencer is going to be the
fire there's no flexibility you know the voice who it's the mid like spirit are
kind of forced into a weird position of reacting and then they bance kung-fu and
centaur we've already mentioned the draft halfway through like warning
against silencer Beastmaster like and other best heroes in game one they
picked silencer into Mero's Beastmaster in game two they picked the
not respecting Mero's lichen. Both games Mero has complete freedom. Both games Spirit had the chance to protect Panto's obsession with playing
silencer. They didn't and they felt the wrath of it. No many other teams would have had like Mero is the lichen and beastmaster player. If he sees
silencer, he's already telling his team, guys, I will carry this. We're already going to the next round. Like that's how good he is on these
Yeah, they definitely caught them with the pantos down in this series because they were not ready for this dude to come out.
It felt kind of forced, I gotta say, but these silencer picks as well.
Second, like we said, when he saw it, it looked better, the draft overall.
It's just that they didn't get to play the game.
Yeah, the lad on the screen is it?
Of course, in hindsight, if you throw Lycan into the band instead of Kunkuro Sentoh,
then maybe this game is going to be slower, it's a bit more clunky,
and then that enables the science to feel like it gets online,
but yeah, you've just been outdrafted two games in a row,
and BB have just kind of swatted away spirit.
Like, there was no competition, it's crazy.
We're praising Miero for both games, of course,
but let's not forget, both games,
GPK got his hands on his signature puck,
And that is incredibly impressive and also impressive is probably what it's going to say just like right now.
I hope so, Sheva. Yes, of course, we could not pass up talking to GPK getting that signature GPK puck two times.
I got to feel pretty good about that, right? I think you just give us puck. We just pick puck.
Absolutely. Do you think anyone is ever going to give you puck again at this tournament or is that the last time you're going to see it?
I'm not sure. Actually in my view, I don't think Puck is super just strong hero
but you know sometimes if you just pick Puck and
you know just you give our team more
Spacel map. Because if you pick Puck, they think this is not strong hero
We're gonna fuck you mid, but if you don't fuck Puck, this game will be hard
Yeah, what a surprise. You would say Puck is a bad hero after getting it twice and absolutely destroying
So yes, I believe you. No way. He's a good hero. Alright
Alright, well let's talk a little bit about that series.
Clean, clean series.
You guys seemed like you came in with a plan.
You knew your enemy well.
Is that how it felt?
Is that accurate?
Yes.
I know we just chill two days.
We free all group stage.
We chill.
We play today to scrims.
We just feeling good.
We wanna play more Dota just.
We wanna play more games.
I don't know what you can say.
Is there a team you guys think you know better than Team Spirit?
Is that one of the best teams that you guys know how to beat and how to play against?
I'm not sure, but in Valahe we always win against them and now they don't have a collapse,
but I think maybe it's more easy to play now against them.
Not always!
I mean, last time, yes, but I think it's six, yeah, yeah, so, all right, different
guys.
All right, cool.
Well, let's talk about your next opponent.
You got Liquid coming up.
This is kind of a tough opponent, but one that you are very prepared for as well, right?
We just want to play against them, we play scrim, one day ago it's draw, but tomorrow
draw will not give you win, so yeah, we will see.
Okay, okay, we will see, indeed.
Have you been practicing anything besides your standard heroes in the mid?
Are we still have some tricks up your sleeves?
Are there new heroes we have yet to see from Beppu?
We have, but if you can pick Puck, why not?
Okay, correct.
Well, good warning to our boys that were in liquid then.
Thank you so much.
And a clean, clean game, very fun to watch.
And we'll see if we got those tricks coming up from GPK,
I will find out soon.
So will you, as we head back to the panel
to get ready to see what's up for tomorrow.
Thank you very much.
And yeah, that was an easy way to have Puck
for Bed Boom and to overcome Spirit.
end of the day guys, it's going great over here but I will tell you what's on my mind
because he has some funny words for the puck and how to deal with it.
You got a buck on the lane, right? That's it, keep it simple.
Don't fuck puck, puck. Fuck you. It's a rule back and forth. That's the beauty of Dota, right,
especially with puck. It's so important in the lane to facilitate the hero and understand
what you're gonna do against it. Yeah. Yeah. That's not it. No, this is a very, very interesting
series. I think there's so much to learn from this for Team Spirit because they got blown out of the
water and it didn't look pretty. They're gonna have a chance in the lower bracket. Yeah, they need
to adjust. We did say that they looked the best yesterday when they were playing against Extreme
Gaming. Everything was kind of going their way. They completely stomped them, especially that
second game but they're gonna need to figure it out because today it just wasn't it.
No today was just upper brackets and we had, I mean it might not seem like a team but the majority
of the series were 2-0s. Yeah even like the heroic, the fact that it was a 2-0,
heroic had a pretty good lead in the second game, it easily could have been going towards
a game three both some South American teams putting up a decent fight but you know not
not enough to progress. But yeah, the upper bracket really feels like it's just Eastern
Europe versus Liquid now. It's Liquid holding back the front of how strong that region has
of course become.
A bit sad as we're seeing both the South American teams against each other in this
lower bracket round one, but this also means that one of them is going to be having that
guaranteed top six.
Yeah, that's good. No complaints at all. Like any time you see a region like this
you want to see them progress as far as they can and of course it flips it'll
be your liquid potentially that's scary yeah I mean from here on out every
series is going to be scary tomorrow the first two series are the most scary of
course because that is what
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