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La la la la...
Pa pa ru de ru de.
Sai su shiv ru de.
Ute ku u choro.
Sekras ke pichoro.
La la la la...
There's no one in the world who can do it.
This is not a good lane, right? Just hands down not a good lane for Shaker Pango, but...
Satanic gets to the top lane, and that is going to be the death of Witt, so making a very early rotation on the Neko.
SSS taking quite a bit of damage, but El Misha is going to get telekinesed by 9 class.
Verifier keeps them alive a little bit longer, but last right click should be enough.
So two kills for ParaVision, they get another ensnare.
As SSS and Satanic just completely surrounding Skowfield.
Three dead.
They look like they want to fight 45.
They're in a pain.
Well, they find no one.
He's already in half HP.
He pops his BKB and just dies.
And just like that, the rest of ParaVision now on the run.
You see the Shatterstrike with the Agents up front and Satanic along with the Sonic
Wave.
They're the Mega Mepho all in one
Special as they get the roar finally onto the Queen of Pain Dark Mago blinks out now with the BKB
We live wonder directly on the Mega Mepho as Satanic gets dropped
SSS next on the list as for that for para vision
They're like he's fine super important if he gets TP canceled now, I don't know. I feel like they could have chased
HP
Gonna hit the soundtrack in satanic. Let's continue the pressure here. Those stuff are gonna keep them alive
A little bit longer at satanic! That's instant gaze! Was that a shadow strike? Oh my god!
Alright, talking about this
skill field on the clock we're doing a lot of work against SSS. Wits is there but the blinding light should keep him safe
I think the one who's played it the most recently that was very close to a kill
has been Yammich and what Yammich does is he doesn't skill battery assault. He goes 0-4-3
and the way he interacts with lanes is just putting down cogs and then spam that time.
Oh baby. Did he actually have vision there?
Very. Very tanky Slardar with that active scepter. He can bait.
Convade all you want. He takes the focus fire, Whitzruss runs away, realizes he does nothing.
Pipe activated, which was just purchased by nine class,
sold by not a two, and is a dead tangler
for likely the rest of this game.
Dark Mago does blink out of time this time.
He might still die.
Still dies after the blinks.
No one trying to finish the job, can't quite do it.
About to come out, surely.
Surely they've realized that they have lost this game.
Surely it will dawn on them at some point.
They're going to start farming the fountain fortification.
They have not been baited in yet to the forfeit
as Witt's dies in his fountain.
One last sonic wave for the road is Dark Mago.
One last 1v5 death for him.
You find a kill and you force an objective. Now you need to execute on this.
No, but Centaur jumps right in. They're going to get the roar onto Ty. Long as he's in a lot of trouble, it gets telekinesis, gets killed off.
And this is a complete disaster for Heroic now. They couldn't get Roshan in time and it's going to cost them dearly.
Clearly even Makoto is staying alive thanks to the pipe, three dead for Heroic.
36k lead here for Aurora.
Alright, keep it up.
Nightfall jumps in, tossed back, tie long, gonna get Aurora, it is reflected, is dead, doesn't have buyback and yeah.
Weaver is packing the punch now, cages down.
I did like your John Lennon impression by the way, it's very good that much.
finds the support on the back line Yuma. They do have to actually fear him a bit now.
If the Vibeck comes up again from Tylone, feels like the third time this game, the Dark Rift, is activated.
Whisper comes through with another pit of Malathana Makoto. Pop the BKB.
Tylone, this is going to be direct if you go down the impetus, doing so much work, can't find the distance.
But there's Naipaul with the amatoss. Ultra kill for the Beast Mode himself. Yuma on the run.
GG is called. Harpoon is too fucking good. Raaay for Naipaul.
But now they put themselves in a very precarious spot, a nice coil to cancel out the rolling
thunder, will snap it and there's the sharp shooter, gets off the rolling thunder, and
he will survive.
You could argue they definitely should be here to protect this, right?
You have mana, advantage, and dollop.
Oh, he's going to jump in with the balustripe.
He kills off Mira, and the tormentor is still not dead, finally.
here up finding another connection they get the macro fire there's the harpoon that syndrome
think is OP but he's obviously wrong because don bricker dies right after using it they
still want to fight it you have buyback with a solar guardian there's another miss boundless
strike WS bops the BKB exorcism is activated as well as they're going for the rasta he's
looking at the wall like Blair witch project he's dead 90 seconds no way to get back
of the game either as Tyler already had to use the refresher another rolling thunder at the ready
they did uses the cheese is going to be fine for now you might balance strikes in he wants to get
really aggressive uses the wukong command nullified off the yule's though turned into the soldier
kills off kori their creeps in their base they do have to be careful knife fall no longer in
this fight as he is really really low could be passed the cheese potentially that's about
Balmer Strike gets dodged from the phases and Nightfall jumps in, destroys Tylong, and Yuma follows suit, and that might do it, surely.
Oh that was so sick the underlord ultimate to break the tree the monkey king was sitting
on just a lot of percentage base that is from the fire store my back from that time of
these days in a few hole after the two support they've already lost and snaking snaking doesn't
have either sketer you need to get involved here as malryan stolen pulverizer is used
on top of him, now really might die back here.
Trying to trample away, he's still caught
inside the pit of Malice, Nisha's gonna chase him.
But Nisha, Rallar of Mana,
on the other side of the fight, Amar.
He was dealing with the rest of the team,
there's Nisha, getting a very nice vortex.
He doesn't have any edges though, so he's gonna die.
This poor Rubik was even there,
and it's caught him while rolling, so playing again.
Going back onto Nike, I'm getting some deja vu right now,
but it's Skeeter that's here this time around,
found the strike, not enough damage to kill,
Miki activates the focus fire and just rips through Mal-Reen. Overclawed, who's so full
catching up the rubik, does have the shot so lifts himself forward. Ace though, doesn't
care about it, still wants to get into the base, rolling through him. Are they gonna
keep going? Shackleshot was thrown as well. Power shot misses, but holy I'm necessary.
He still ended up with a dead crit. Epi-Senter! Epi-Senter, Paaro, everything missed, alert!
They've already killed Rok-Mal-Rin, a boss about to die as well to these right-glitz, he goes down, Skeeter can do almost nothing, he GGs out!
I think that's like max range. We'll almost certainly die here in Yotaro. Won't be able to bail him out. Miro participating in his second kill of the game.
Look at Tiny. Actually recognizing just how devastated they are on Bot lane. Actually, to make this rotation, Avalanche goes out onto Miro.
You want to bring him down safe. Beautiful shackle onto LAR.
The hero dies!
Ooh!
Oh my god!
That's how we did it.
Put by the Impairment Art.
Didi. Didi picked up my Mero Mero.
Could actually try to roll back in, but he's been silenced up right now.
Kiritich though with the rage chasing down Law.
They want to kill this Tiny and they are going to get him.
Is this fight going to still continue?
Kiritich rushing forward.
Just this Radiance putting in so much work.
They have very much work and there is a roll mirror with the double damage comes in onto your Toro
And they kill him off just get shackleshot
Doesn't connect but you can save ideas get back and they kill your Toro before you can find an opportunity for a thunder
Give it to you now looking towards Patrick. We'll be able to run it down get an ultra kill give this man a rampage
Well, Roshan, oh the host they just call to smoke GPK goes to break set smokes
We'll be able to get back.
Law has jumped very far forward here.
Law is not close to his team.
The jump forward from Kiddichid with the blink dagger.
They just blow up this widespread.
Yatorama as well.
One shot from the loot.
Take away a third of his HP.
He's going to try to stand his ground,
but there's absolutely no way he can do it.
Even with the BKB Eclipse, it makes no difference.
and I'm going to show you some
of the highlights of the
game.
Here's the highlights.
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I've got two non-idiots that know all about Dota.
We've got Jenkins, of course.
He's a regular here.
This is the new upcoming analytical talent,
resident Nipo expert, Wee-Hart.
No, not according to Satanic.
No, no, Satanic, not according to Satanic.
He thinks you're an idiot, but you know,
you can't win them all, brother.
Can't win them all.
I mean, you gotta pick your fights, you know?
You're saying you will fight him, then?
I will not see anything on camera.
That's the way to do it.
save it for the green room. Why don't we take a look at some of those results that we had yesterday
because there were some again really incredible games but I mean also some very one-sided series
which did surprise me given the caliber of opposition. You know you can see up there we
started the day with ParaVision versus SA Rejects. SA Rejects did really well to take a map from
ParaVision. ParaVision came in, started the day a little bit on tilt. Then we had Aurora,
Heroic another 2-0, but that doesn't tell the story that should have been a 2-1
Heroic really kind of just surrendered the second game in classic heroic. I could have been an upset to actually
I think her play very well, but they just fell short on the draft
Then we had the team liquid team falcons game. I'll actually save talking about that till the end
Let's just skip to bet boom versus spirit. It is a classic matchup guys
But I think that boom are the eventual winners of this tournament
I think they've looked the best of any of the teams we've seen here
I think they're carry and that often they have currently the highest KDAs in this tournament
Kiritage has like a 16 KDA which is like it's ridiculous
It basically means is like getting 16 kills and assess every single game compared to like one death which is on average
It's super so many games play through it's a it's incredible for a carry player
You know, I get it but these carry players they're out here playing life stealer and fasting when they're about that
I really respect it. I think caretich like finally we're seeing him shine, but Miro
Like that stat is
Impressive because offlaners you're playing these heroes that are getting in there. You know like every other game
He's Beastmaster like and he's playing some sort of like summons here that like he gets
Into the fray off later the guy that you send just send in in the front line
You know, just like put him in there, you tank the death, and I'll do my job, you know?
Yeah, but somehow like this guy is...
I know. I'm not gonna die.
And I think part of it is like he's top net worth at the end of every laning stage.
That's how it feels right now, and usually it's not just by, you know, like a couple hundred gold.
Like he's top net worth because he stomped his lane, and he's a thousand above the enemy carry at worst.
So he just ends up in this situation where like, he's not playing Dota.
He's playing a different game from everybody else post-lingu stage seems to be one of the more versatile
Offlanders as well obviously we had an interview with the ma where a ma was I mean he was joking
But with the mother's always a kernel of truth in the humor
And you know he said that he's only playing two heroes right now and it's bristleback and tide
Whereas in the arrows it's all over the place
You know and kind of like has a bit more freedom to choose what he wants
And it's a good point to segue it into
Vulcans
You know they I had high hopes for them especially with the new patch coming in
But it just hasn't worked out that way they've looked very flat and disappointing in last night
They got mauled by team liquid. It was crazy. I've covered a couple of series from team Falcons
some games they looked like
The best team in the tournament and then some games they look
So uncle he's like they're just getting called out on the map. There's no team plays coming out
they feel lost maybe communication issues draft is not necessarily an issue
they've been playing the same years over and over again as I said I'm not as
long they play like four or five heroes actually have a stat on that I'm gonna
talk about it later yeah yeah Falcons I mean yesterday in this series obviously
he tried the monkey king off lane good idea which I actually think
conceptually it was sound it just didn't pay off but they they have
this oracle that's kind of like so the point of the monkey against the laundry
is you get the jingle stacks on the bay right yeah exactly but then they have
this oracle to dispel it so it's just it becomes a whatever matchup yeah I
feel like there's times in the history of Falcons that Amar has done this sort
of thing where he'll take a hero that's kind of off meta put it into the
off lane enemy team respects it because it's Amar like you have to
But then he still does it and then you don't really get that like
You know a mar we talked about mural being top-net worth like Falcons has always functioned off of a mar going into the off lane
Like somehow winning the lane with heroes even that don't normally win the lane and like snowballing on net worth
And then having like three carries, you know skaters really more of the off-laner sometimes for Falcons
But yeah, that just it didn't really happen last night. I also find it very funny by the way that liquid did ban
tight hunter in bristleback yes I mean he's been spamming this here yeah actually yeah I mean
you know he's gonna have to do what he has done in the past I mean you know obviously I remember
when he first came through as a pro and people said he's got a hero puddle not a hero pool you
know it was always the timber etc but then he you know he did learn other heroes expanded
might just be a patch where he has to do that again if falcons are gonna have any sustained
in success. But moving on to the next topic, Jenkins, you move to Serbia and then you become
an expert in smoking.
That's a good one. That's a good joke. Yeah, basically there's this meta of pre-game smokes
that has been happening, I think since Las Velakia actually, maybe a little bit before,
where people smoke just to get vision and try to find where the enemy team is, not
even to go get a kill. And now what we're seeing is the early game pregame
mudda has evolved where teams were showing liquid here but a lot of teams
are doing this are going for a portal smoke they go to the portal then they
smoke and then they kind of converge on the rune but from a an angle that is
just preposterous so I wanted to take a look at what happens in this game here
versus falcons they run into crit it's not exactly the best positioning
you know crit if he was a little farther out of position it might have
an easier kill on him, but Nisha does end up picking up this kill here.
And this is a classic millenial though.
The team is smoking and he's like, yeah, you guys go ahead, I'm just going to kill
Ty.
And then he goes, oh shit, I could have killed this guy and then he blinks in, but they missed
out on the first blood.
Yeah.
The team was there.
They did.
And he had to skill blink, which did actually hurt his lane a little bit, but I just wanted
to showcase like the types of smokes the teams are doing because I feel like a lot
of the time we have interviews, you know, we're chatting, trying to get into the game.
You don't see the pregame stuff, but genuinely, if you can get a kill or you can get four bounty
runes because you make a really good play, it makes the entire game unbelievably easy.
Like Dota is such a snowballing game.
The earlier you do important stuff, the more of an impact it has, the more of a butterfly
effect that it has.
So it's cool to me to see the meta evolve of what teams are doing pregame.
Pretty much there's never any situation where there isn't a smoke, even though the
smokes are not necessarily even for kills.
It's just to run up a high ground, oh, my smoke broke.
Okay guys, they're there, that's it, that's the meta.
Also as well, you've been focused on some of the matchups
that we've seen that might not necessarily be even, let's say.
Yeah, I would like to engage in some confirmation bias
with you fellows.
There's a few in here that we kind of knew
that would have the high win rates.
Beastmaster versus Pango, we talked about
roaring him during the roll.
Batrider versus Pango, same thing, like any BKB piercing disable seems to have a very good win rate against Pango.
Obviously, Lifestealer versus Tiny, this one has looked incredible every time that it's been picked.
And I think this stat was taken before the Batboom series ended, so that would be even higher.
Tiny versus Queen of Pain, and does anybody remember what the first one was?
Slaughter Hoodwink.
It was Slaughter Hoodwink.
Yes.
That one was funny to me, because I'm just imagining, like, tiny little squirrel.
No armor here.
Really low armor.
low armor, you run through the trees, he crushes, he sees you because you get the
crows of haze on crush, you're just dead, right? So that one makes a lot of
sense to me, but I didn't think it would be that bad. Like 86% win rate or
whatever that was is pretty incredible. Like a Sauter thrives on these kills.
Like if he has this one hoodwing, for example, that he just crushes with the
shard, all the days is like one to hit and he might just die. Sauter
loves this type of gameplay. He loves to be an assassin. It's the way to
boost his game because then suddenly the map opens up and you get these kills and
Yeah, get Roshan get Tormentor, suddenly snowballing the game. So from bad matchups to heroes. We've just not seen at all
Yeah, some heroes I'm so surprised that I've been completely uncontested
I've played a lot of pups coming into here and I've looked at ESL as well
I'm very surprised to see nobody playing
I think Temporal Assassin, or banning it even, I feel like it's one of the better carries right now in the match.
3S PGL, it was effectively the hero of that tournament, it was getting first phase banned out towards the end of the match.
I've seen a lot of Sven too in Pro level pubs.
Yes, and Sven with the Magnus of course, I think since Collapse is not here then we're probably not going to see it.
The Slark, the Slark got buffed quite hard, his laning is in menace right now because of his third spell, the Saltwater Shift.
I think this hero is probably the best hero in this hero pool, the unseen, that has not been picked yet
and then there's like the clings, again, couple of nerfs but in pubs it's so hard to play against this hero
he's a very strong laner, he still does the same, goes in with throughout the map, you need to buy a sentry
everybody has to have a dust on him, he's super tanky, you go on him he starts like doing the death pack things
Yeah, I feel like these heroes, they kind of got ignored completely because of how people came in here.
All chemists is broken, laundry is broken, and they're just focusing on these heroes, but they kind of just forgot about...
I mean, it's possible we might see some of those crazy ones today, because as I'll show you on the schedule,
we've got some match-ups where people certainly aren't shy about experimenting.
I'll just work our way back when obviously Team Liquid vs. Bet Boom, based on yesterday, that's going to absolutely go hard.
Paravision versus Aurora looking to see if puppies Paravision can essentially get their shit together because obviously they've been having
Some issues I think it's fair to say but winning somehow and then still powering through so ready to
It's just like the disrespecting their enemies in the first game and then they're waking up
Yeah, and then they start playing good. Yeah, yeah
And then we've got Falcons versus spirit
Obviously, we'll be talking about that one on the desk in just a moment
But starting out the day as if it was destiny as if it was scripted
Heroic versus the South American rejects. You hate to see it. It's just sad
Secondly group stages of China versus China and now we have the South America of South America
And you know what? I'm a little bit worried
About heroic for a couple of reasons first yesterday's performance
Obviously, it's never nice to go to bed on a loss that you know should have been a win
Yeah, you could have easily won that second map took it through a game three
But on top of that as well remember what KJ said about having played SA rejects and how demoralizing it is to SA reject
Yeah, they've got the heroic org. They've got the badge. This is just a bunch of players from their region
Without any org without any support. Yeah, this is the this is the exact point
I wanted to raise to you guys and talk about actually is like
just fresher because
Both of these teams have played each other a lot
And you know back when SA rejects was Peru rejects. It was the same thing
Yeah, in fact, they were kind of a crushing heroic there for a while in a lot of the qualifiers as we can see here
But not once has this team played on land
they've never played on land and
part of me feels like South American rejects
They're almost fearless like they're they're just feeling good vibes. You know whereas heroic
the game of Dota 2. I was
talking about the expectations
in general like. There are
expectations that they they're
the South American team, right?
Like they're the one that's like
saving the region bringing the
region up. This is the
qualifier team doesn't even
have an org and I'm also
worried. That maybe today
we're not going to get
objective Dota because
there's some emotions
involved there that are
game of Dota 2. I was just going to say that Heroic seems like a more structured team.
They're more composed in the game. They have this obvious plan that they have talked about before
and they're pretty much just trying to execute it. Sometimes, as we've seen yesterday,
they're just falling short in the draft. Whereas South American Rejects, I feel like
they're an emotional team. They have this Dark Mago guy, he goes mid. He always wants to win
win the lane so we can snowball the other lanes and basically like relying on this random
aspects of the game that you can't really control.
You can pick a better matchup, but most teams will realistically try to do an even matchup
on the lanes.
So they're just, to me, they're an emotional team that if they're feeling good right
now I feel like they have great chances.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I feel like if heroic, if there's no emotions involved on the side of heroic,
and I'm talking in terms of the pressure, because I agree, they're a way more structured team.
Like they just play good, fundamental Dota.
Hypothetically, if both teams are playing that, I think heroic wins every single time.
But as I rejects our emotional team and they're coming in with that emotional momentum, right?
They're feeling themselves. They've got crazy hero picks that they're that they're doing, you know
They've got the young prodigy that's like playing necro in the in the safe lane
It's also tie-long versus wits on land like these guys are from
Pain game. They were they're the two prodigies that were discovered together on the same team
They know each other, you know, there's there's a there's a lot of interesting storylines going on here
Well, let's get into one of them speaking of Thailand. We've been on Thailand watch here
we've watched a lot of heroic on this panel it has not been a very kung fu
panda-esque performance from him this tournament. The most played hero? You guys see that?
Which the most played hero is? I feel like I've talked so much about this. I can do it, I can do it.
I'm chicken alright though. The one outlier of course is Bango. I think this is a very high
high skill hero, like basically for anybody that didn't watch the previous Heroic series
and you're tuning in because you got SA vs SA Bloodbath, which has been a very long time
since this happened. Basically the criticism is that Tylong, young, genius, prodigy player,
we want to see him on something where there's some skill expression, but he continues
asking for Viper and he continues getting Viper and Bristleback and these boring heroes
where there's just not as much skill expression on the hero.
And so we are seeing some games where he's pucked.
We are seeing some games where he's sanking Beastmaster.
They're a bit in the middle ground where there's more skill expression,
but you're still getting that lane cheese and he looks so good.
Even in the pango games, which I said, our outliers,
both his pango games, but he looked he looked good in them.
Yeah, he played very well in those games.
And so I think for heroic,
if there was this like internal deliberation
that they're clearly having, you know,
you have this young player who's asking for something,
he doesn't really have the experience of lands
under his belt, but he has players that do
and they can tell him.
I'll bring we her in.
Obviously as a former pro, right?
Yeah, let's say you're in a position,
you want to play a hero,
but the hero might not be very good,
or might not fit the team,
or might not even fit your style of play,
but you've convinced yourself it's good.
Andrew Kosh.
Yeah, is it the coach's job to stop you?
Well, back in my day, you know, when I wanted to do something like this,
Puppy would generally bring out the machete, so he would tell me no.
Yeah, pretty much I'll be forced to play the hero. I'm not sure how they do it these days.
I feel like it's a very similar manner.
I mean, Puppy is still bringing out the machete, I'm pretty sure.
You do have to give him a chance first, so Tyloon, he's been given many chances on this Viper,
but it's just not working and this is where the coach needs to just put an
enter the coach the captain even the entire team the players could just
come to him like hey man we know you're doing really good on these heroes why do
you insist on playing Viper and then try to like convince him and if he doesn't
understand basically it's like okay I'm done listening you're not playing
Viper go next yep okay good okay J on the other hand Jenkins he's been I
I think pulling out some amazing kind of pics and really showing how far he can push the
meta and you can see here these just very unique position fives.
Yeah, KJ is not only an absolute gigachat outside of the game.
He is a gigachat in the game.
I think every time the Zeus comes out we're like, I'm not so sure about this.
And then he has like a crazy pop off game, you know, we're walking to the green room
I mean I hear my ear first blood and it's just KJ has gotten first blood in his line
He's also played the Dawnbreaker, which has been very interesting from five position
Every other team seems to be thinking that's a core death profit. I
I'm not sure entirely like
Completely what the idea is we asked him about it
I think he was a little bit like cards to the chest because he doesn't want to reveal everything
But he told us with Zeus it was it's like decent at laning
It's very convenient because you have Invis detection through the word for free. Yeah, the words for free
They did extend the range of that. So that's that's definitely a little bit of a buff
But no luck though. No locked up. Like so there's got to be more to it, right?
There's got to be a lot more theory to it. It's just that obviously his main priority is
Whitting it winning a tournament and I can't see the connection between dawn death profit and Zeus
The way I guess a heroic can because there we always look at the drafts. What are they doing?
and then they win.
Things I feel both of them are much better than the Zeus.
They actually offer things.
Like Dombrak has the ultimate global protection and this profit is like super strong on lane
and then in the game if he has like one or two items, he has a decent lane, gets a few
towers with his team, suddenly he's like a little bit more tanky and he needs to get
focused in the teamfight.
But Zeus, Zeus is just damage, just pure damage and pretty much nothing else.
Some dewards.
Which is awesome for a 5 position.
I think he just loves to kill to his teammates. I think he just likes to
Said he's building like it's called zooms anyway. Yeah, it sounded when he was on panel with us. He was convincing himself
It was good
So we are about to get in the draft you can see the common heroes there in the middle
Probably we'll see some of those but can't
Understate this lots of speciality picks and also because of the history of these two teams the rivalries the storylines
Don't be surprised if you see something crazy here.
You can't forget about the school field Nick, Nick Sassan and Kulkur.
Like all these four players, they have like niche heroes. They really like playing.
Yeah, they know each other so well. You can even see the first band here is the Dark Mago.
The Dark Mago Kulkur.
Kulkur, it's like...
It's scary.
This guy's been playing this in SANA for decades at this point.
A decade at this point. I'm sure you played against this guy many times.
I did.
It's tiny and gunkka and like nothing else right and there we have a lot of fun
Which is crazy because that's one of the unseen heroes
That's crazy dude caps is not mego does play it
But I feel like there's a reason we're about to find out why it's gotta be is it there's no way you just first pick
Huskar right is that is that it?
because every other he is my little host everybody's back to you Jenkins over to you Jenkins I don't know
guys like I know we can we just take a moment of silence I just want to take a
little small you just have a break a small break I think I'm about to go to his
I know everyone watching at home as well based on the reddit comments that I was reading yesterday in the in the match thread
All the fans are sick of this too by the way. It's not it's not like just some weed tumble din
I feel like heroic noses. They definitely know this. I'm on a hundred percent
I do not have any doubt in my heart that heroic noses and I think this is a bit
I think they're bidding they're gonna assume it's Thailand Viper on South American
and they'll flex it to like and they're probably gonna just flex it to maybe King
Jungles yeah maybe five or that's that's very low chance no more
realistically you just be a post three I mean I could be genius there was there
was a meta where King Jungles was playing five Viper I do remember that
this was the thing in an SA Dota for a while I you know you know I respect
the most out of any human being who has ever lived, Sisyphus. This guy, this guy knows how
to live life. He was happy. And I feel like Ty Long has achieved inner peace, just pushed
him to Viper Boulder up the hill over and over again. It keeps rolling back. And he's
just, he's happy. So if it works, it works now. I mean, I, I respect continuing to double
down on your ideas like especially when it's not working this is one situation
where maybe it's okay because it's against essay rejects it's against a
team they probably beat with viper like maybe this is the reason he likes
vapor maybe he just screamed against South American really so many times
realized the only way they can beat him is with Viper you shit on dark mcgillan
laying it with Viper and he doesn't know he doesn't know what to do so you
might go here's all suffered against Viper but again the problem with
Heroic is not the lane on Viper. He does good on lane on Viper. He just suffers after laning stage, always on Tylo.
He seems a bit lost on what he has to do.
I'm gonna lock into the flexing idea. I think this is also a bait.
I think this is a bait that has to be classic hoodwink.
In no Huskar ban yet, like this is still a potential 18-pick for Heroic.
That's especially if dark will go reveals his obvious hero mid
Super punishable
Viper tusk. I mean that's a good offline. That's a good offline. That's a good save for a potential hoscar
Maybe they thought South American rejects might actually pick the hoscar dark muggle I've seen him play it and pubs I
Think it could open up like an opportunity for a later hoscar pick if South American is completely forget that the series
this they do have the 24th pick but nowadays on against Oscar there's not
many heroes you can pick Viper being one of the only good ones
Paskar Rubik Rubik has been played by both the supports on Horobic
yeah such a such a god to your support like for both roles I have changed my
perspective on Rubik in this patch he used to be this this guy who's like a
lot of damage right he gets to steal good spells low cooldown basically can spam it because of the
fastest last patch you can choose mana cost or like big aoe now he's a save now he has both facets
inside he's like normal toolkits his 15th talent has the mana reduction but i see this hero more
as a backline save from the shot i feel like this hero needs to buy the shot and pretty much
just spam-feed both on the high damage enemy heroes and just sit and chill and now they have two saves
Tusk and Rubik maybe setting up for a Huskar. Yeah I totally agree the shard I'm super convinced on
this thing it's busted. It's too much it's too much rain. Way too much. So much value.
Repositioning abilities and Dora generally are kind of broken. I feel like these boys
about to get Huskar that's that's what I'm feeling here. It could happen right now if
If they want to pick it, they should be on 18 now, so they can have the balance.
I think the Rijks have a really strong draft though, I mean these are the heroes that are
doing well in this patch at this tournament, they've got the monkey that's been super
valued, the pango of course.
Hypothetically, Viper offline shit on a monkey, right?
They did swap this.
Sure, they could start this 3 on South American Rijks and Viper level 1 is not
that strong.
potential he might actually get dove under the wave in the beginning of the game.
I personally think this is the biggest way you punish Viper offline is you have to start
as three to the degree where I think that even heroic should think of starting as three
to protect from that.
It happens quite often in pub 2.
The early smokes matter a lot when you have a Viper or like Necro in the game, one of
these offlaners that will just dominate the lane if you don't kill them at level
And they went for the Muerta.
They don't go for the Huskar, instead they go for something that's probably better for
the game.
You do very well against Monkey in this matchup because Monkey's all physical, Muerta's fine
against that.
Hango's all physical too.
Hango's all physical, like Enchantress does nothing to Muerta.
Shame for, I mean Hoodwing is the only one, right?
Yeah.
Hoodwing does a little bit of damage.
A little bit of burst, but it's not enough.
No, it's not, not nearly enough.
They're still communes themselves open for a Oscar on a right, but I don't think it fits the lineup anymore
I think right now the Oscar idea should probably just crap that since it's just basically a late idea and nothing more
They're they're banning the tyloon fuck
They're assuming they understand yeah, they're right now the big they know they they think it's gonna be a viper
roughly and then some Thailand 23, probably Spirit Hero is what they need.
They need some sort of like mobile hero that can lock people down so the Murta can do damage.
Maybe give some space and vision in teamfights as well.
Storm would be pretty banging actually.
I mean, it's a great storm game right now.
Yeah, it's there's not, there's not good disable for him.
If they want to just go with something that's more, I know for Thailand they
they pick like off meta, not actual mid laners.
If they want to do that, Sand King, it's still fine.
It's done well in lane against Pangolier.
And it gives a little bit of extra team fight,
because I feel like Heroic doesn't really have any right now.
I mean, South Magans, they have a flex, too.
They can put monkey mid carry, and they
can put pangol mid or offline.
Yeah, that's true.
That's a bit dangerous.
If you go for something like an Ember Spirit on Heroic,
they might just put the monkey mid
and then pick a different carry.
Or they could probably look for, I think the best hero against Murta should be Axe on the offlane, if I'm not mistaken.
Since he can always just call through BKB and Blademan.
Obviously not working through BKB, the Blademan, but when he's not BKB, it's a big problem.
He gets caught out, he might just die in one call.
So they should look for a solution for the Murta, anyways.
I love the Axe suggestion. I think that's amazing.
It's like, as long as the game goes, it just gets better and better for Axe, and it starts good.
I don't think I like that ban too much.
At the same time there's too many spirits.
Yes, sorry to interrupt.
Kotl has been played by Thailung, but I would have thought Spirit would be a better ban, but there's too many spirits.
Can't ban them all.
And it's a Thailung Viper.
Let's get we'll have a good moment of silence here Richard. I
Think it's a horrible Viper game as well. I mean I look at the heroes. They've got like it's not good into the inch
It's not good into the pango
like
The problem they've had every time they picked it is it's been really immobile either hasn't been in the fights or it gets
Kited in the fights or it gets outboxed in the fights. That's literally how he's lost
Well, let's let's talk objectively, right?
Forget about Tyrone Viper objectively. Viper right now on mid lane, he is generally strong, wins his lane,
but he has a big problem when there's an enchantress on the enemy team. Enchantress will sink creeps,
and the enchantress has the possibility of diving under the tower, which is the one thing Viper suffers so much,
that I would probably never want to play it into an enchantress.
They did fix their problems on Heroic with the Mars. They have the lock down, they have the space for the Muerta to clean up the kills.
kills they have two saves I feel like heroic has a very solid lineup I'm just
worried now I want to talk about Thailand Thailand Viper good on lane not so much in
the game feels like to me like every time I've seen him here play Viper he's
been very lost past 15 minutes I hope they had a talk maybe fix it maybe they
pull out a marksman yes and there's the axe nailed it yeah bang and take
That's a hundred dollars to you. We have all good. Yeah, so it's tylong viper against
Dark mega pangu and then we have monkey versus murta. I think murta wins that matchup
But they do have the axe of course
Double safe on heroic. I think
If I were to remove the fact that tylong is playing viper
If you think heroic has this in the back
But since this guy has not looked very good on the viper on the viper lately
I feel like it might be too uncomfortable and might make too many mistakes
still going to go with her, even Rubik.
Hypothetically with the charge should be quite good against Axe, right?
Yeah, you two saves, you can either like throw the axe away and he's not, you know,
blade mail spinning on you or you can grab the person that gets taunted.
That seems pretty good.
And honestly, I do like the Mars.
I felt like Kurok has a lot of damage, they have a lot of, you know,
good laning, et cetera, et cetera, combos, whatever,
but they needed some big teamfighter,
some really easy, like here we're gonna fight right here.
And Enigma doesn't count, like that's,
you need some setup for the Black Hole, right?
Something like that.
Mars was a perfect pick for them.
It does cause the problems that we're talking about
where you have the Thailand Viper,
but I think overall draft, it makes a lot of sense.
Whisper is like one of the best Marses in the world.
We just see him playing other stuff usually.
I'll bring in our commentators and ask what they think and then Sun's Fan will talk about what he had for breakfast or something.
It is Sun's Fan at Syndran. It's another Tyloon Viper game. You must be thrilled.
He's 1 and 2 on Viper. We have cast the 2. Just saying. I have never seen him win on Viper Syndran. Have you?
I just wonder what this guy, how much aura he has in this team. You see him on camera. He's just sitting there chilling.
Like, do whatever you want, Tylong.
We'll give you the first pig viper even when we see no enemy heroes yet.
You've been so good.
No.
Move it.
Let's hold stuff together.
The game just started.
As we get into the game, this is an elimination series between Heroic and the Rejects,
also known as South American Rejects.
We're just going to shorten it today just for ease of execution and whatnot.
We get to see a couple of cool heroes.
I mean, Huerta, we've seen a few times, she can be kind of exciting, depending on how the game goes.
Mars is always a good classic, but really Axe is just the game.
Love that hero. Always fun to watch.
Always fun to watch, always fun to play, with a little bit of an asterisk.
There are some lane matchups that are atrocious, but Mars is fine.
So, should be a decent game for Frank and one of his best heroes.
So, that'll be exciting to see.
I will say, just to round out this whole Tylong Viper thing.
I think in terms of the drafts we have cast with him on Viper, this is the best one for playing a round Viper.
Because they have double save supports and Mars, which is like a pseudo save against some of the heroes you're facing.
Particularly Ench, the arena is good against.
And it's also just like more zone control and AoE protection.
So they've done a better job of setting up the Viper for success, but as we have pointed out,
I do think there's a lot in this game
riding on El Misho on the Enchantress.
I think with solid rotation to mid,
you can really ruin Viper's early momentum.
And the good news for him is the guy he's leaving alone
would be Monkey King, who lanes very well into Mars.
So it's not impossible to leave the monkey
for a little bit for a minute to go mid
or at the very least to just enchant a creep,
send it mid and not need it bottom
to just float the lane against what I'm assuming
will be the Mars-Tosk combination.
So interesting though, this is a classic rivalry.
The two best teams in SA hands down.
Let's see who's best today.
It does feel like they're playing around the Viper
quite a bit like you said.
They got the two saves.
They have a front-liner in Mars initiation with Mars.
And Viper's just there.
As he should be, he's just there.
Yeah, so we're debating the idea
that the Viper, this could be some mind games
that it was a flex today, and that everybody's
just going to assume it will be Tylong and then they could put it off lane and get a different mid.
And that might have been the case, and they just decided against it because they were like,
well, if we're playing off lane Viper into Ench Monkey, if anything goes wrong, it won't have a game.
If the enemy starts three bottom, the panel is talking about that as an option to try to shut it down.
I don't know if I'm... What do you think? Do you think it was a flex or that they're just like,
you know what, Tylong? Third time's the charm.
Well, this would be his fourth game, I guess, but he lost the last two.
I think if they lose this game, they don't pick it again. That's my yeah, I think this is the one
They're right
I think the next if they do win this game then they can truly flex it right yeah, but yeah
I I originally thought it was a flex, but I mean we have once you're into the drop you're like
Doesn't look that bad for Viper really it's triple melee cores
they haven't I mean maybe they didn't feel the need to hard counter cuz
He hasn't performed particularly well, maybe we're over-hyping that, but the only time we'll tell this game will prove a lot to this, again, Elimination Series, so, want to get off to a good start.
There's also always the thing that, when you look at stats, let's say you're 0-2 with Viper, or 1-2.
And Dark Mago's just dead. Just a nice little casual.
That's a good start.
Right-click, he eats the tree as well.
Like, um, let's say you're 1 and 2, but your losses were against the best team of the tournament.
It was like, are you supposed to lose faith then?
Was it just because that team's just better than you?
Uh, and I don't know who they won against.
I know the games we cast where they lost was against, you know, solid teams.
So it wasn't like, okay, this just isn't good.
Um, and arguably this might be one of the weakest opponents they're gonna face in the rest of the tournament, right?
Yeah.
Maybe it'll work here.
I think we're probably over analyzing the whole, this guy should be on these playmakers, which I think it's probably generally true, I think in the games that we cast, the Viper just didn't fit the playstyle that they were going with at all, like not even remotely close.
This one does feel a little bit better to me, and obviously the first blood certainly helps.
Now the question is, when will El Misho join the party in that mid lane and start to take advantage a bit of the Viper?
I mean, it's basically necessary at this point.
Tylong has to wave on his own hill, so he can zone, he can play the full-on.
Obviously, this is a great hero for him.
When you're good at Haskar, you're good at Viper.
That's just how it is in mid, because they have such a shared skill set.
They're all orb walkers that are exploiting lane placement, so he knows the tricks.
He knows what to do here to try to bully the pango as much as possible.
Pango now barely overtakes position 4 in net worth minute 3.
Yep, 7 CS.
Vipers 14 and 3 which isn't you know this doesn't look like an absolute landslide victory
But considering that the panko also died. He has almost doubled up on net worth already by the viper
In other lanes up top this should be a fun time for X
I think X hoodwing is an incredibly powerful lane hoodwing just seems like
The four of the tournament together with rubik. Oh, this is the dead shot, but that's a matter Frank
He's only level three right now, so it doesn't have berserkers called to in the battle hunger at the moment
Yeah, so it's a good shout to go to battle hunger here. You can really bully the level three timing of this lane is very very strong
Looks like they made sure for acts to get way more experience to then school field who is going for the kill here
I want to King jungles and should get it all nice fear, but a new battle hunger will finish the job
School field really wanted that one apparently
Yeah, so not too shabby in the top lane now as here's the mid lane action is Almey show
He was the one that's supposed to be the saving grace, but he gets taken out the holocore blocks him in with the shard
So tylen with another kill to his name. Yeah, there's a couple of ways of doing this move with bench either. Oh boy
That's actually really big here. Oh
Well, that's a huge kill though Yuma. I didn't think he'd be in
in peril at all but caught off guard apparently by Frank who now has berserkers call.
I think on paper the radiant lane is just stronger up here. So I'm not too surprised they find kills.
The one I'm wearing in particular is obviously amazing. So we got this dichotomy here where the safe lane of heroic isn't doing well
but the mid lane is stomping which you know is probably overall good news for them because we just want to see a game from
Tylong on this hero where he gets to pop off so we can have that justification of why they value it.
Because we've only seen like the flawed version.
Yeah. Oh, Dark Mago. Uh, uh, okay. Not sure what that was, but Tylong still winning the lane.
It feels like...
When Dark Mago just has these moments in some of the games we cast where it's just like
face palm, like worthy, just over aggression. We've had a couple of blinks on Queens of
pain, where he just goes too deep, just maybe trying a bit too much when he's under pressure
to overcompensate. I think this is a, we've had other players in the past that had that
weakness and overcame it. I think one good example that you love referencing a lot is
GPK, where when he had a bad laning start, he would do his best to try to solve it by
making super high-risk plays, and then if they don't work out, you're just screwed.
I just think the risk reward of some stuff mago does whether he's winning or losing just isn't like it's just hard to justify
This is not worth it. Oh, they kill him again here. They're trying to qualify the creeps as well
So he is struggling by along with the bifurse strike on the high ground the pango goes
Only so far as you might is killed off in the top lane
So there is some semblance of a comeback here for the rejects as that top lane still in their favor
But this mid lane is a complete disaster. This is what the siege creep to so this is a very good strategic move to
Attack here. It looks like they're not gonna actually stick around and control the wave
They're kind of try to bring Tylong to top to
Spread the pressure out now. Is he gonna fight Frank?
I'm gonna find El Misho. I'll find El Misho instead
Nice casual kill
As Yuma would love to take that home, but Tai Lung is like hey, I've lost twice on this hero as Frank is actually found by T.O.
Look for traps him in the shards. Yeah, he actually bugs out there with that dead shot nowhere to go
That's not a good TP
So Tai Lung now
six and zero
Got all that talk. I love I love when stuff like this happens. It's just so funny
You know like this is not this is not what they should be doing
They had two bad games on it. Why do they keep running it?
And then you immediately just see the archetype game where he owns like crazy
It does hit level six on this street with the rolling thunder. Oh, it didn't get the chain though. That's not great
I don't really have much backup anyway. Don't dive the tower this time though. All right
He backed off. It's a level three enchantress. I don't think you're killing him. No, not really
It also, this also begs the question like from the perspective of rejects, were they worried about the Viper Flex?
Did they think that this was just smoke and mirrors and it was definitely going to go offline after Tylong's losses so they picked Pango?
Because they set themselves up for this problem.
Oh boy, I mean tips on to Tylong and that is another death to Darkmonger, 0 and 4 start.
As Schofield wants to go on the olicor, but more backup has arrived for heroics
So Schofield's gonna drop as well or is he tries to get up the field?
No, it takes out eventually. Witz comes in. This is desperation though
They need to get something but the arena from whisper into the spear. Witz is dead and they find a connection on the El Nisho
My goodness the only player having a good game at this point now is Frank
That is a domino of
It's a symphony of sausage. Yeah, pretty much symphony of sausage here from the rejects. That is a
Boy, I mean
I think what they pointed out in the panel really
You're not always gonna be able to pop his old before the chop comes through and that tie-long joins the party
And now the love is spreading sender and Frank falls
Second death in just a couple minutes as this advantage is starting to grow now for heroic
I mean if you all the core
No, yeah, this it really rings true what they were talking about in the panel of dark mongo, right that this team
Seems to ride or die with his early start. It was we have pointed this out and you picked
They're gonna get you my hair. Yeah, didn't want to go into the tower. He'll kill off scofio. It'll cost him his life
Certainly worth it for the rejects. So you you have a player who's very much
We have called it emotional in his playstyle
and you picked him pango into what could still be a mid viper, so really, really bad lane matchup
and then you failed to really protect him and get him online
as a matter of fact it was a cascading effect that was infinitely worse than if he had just lost his lane
because they kept bringing over additional heroes to have them die too
Time to feed the viper
Yeah, so effectively if Mago could have played this lane defensively and lost it
that would have been much, much better than bringing every move they did that didn't work
Yeah, and this is so easy to say in hindsight because obviously heroic are doing a very good job at matching the movement
That's why the moves are failing
It's because the olikars on top of it King jungles is on top of it
And even you saw whisper rotating that time to put the arena down
He does have his old can he possibly get off the shield crash? No
Another death dark mago. How dare he farm under the tier 2 tower at nine and a half minutes here?
I mean, I know this is kind of a brutal realization to come to but it's your own fault
during this position. Like it's self-inflicted pain, I think. Yeah, I think going into that
matchup, Pango versus, I mean, Pango versus Viper versus Fuscar versus Quap. It's like the
three worst matchups in the entire game for Pango. Yeah, they're just super hard. You just have to
tank it. Yeah. It's just one of those things. That's how it is. It's hard. If you're gonna,
if you're gonna try to solve it with an int rotation, it needs to be either before Pango
is completely carp stomped out of the lane, or you're gonna bring the hoodwing as well,
Which is exactly to mirror what Heroic did. A lot of the moves in mid, they've brought both supports.
They've just pulled them off the sides and brought them into collapse here onto the pango three times now, I think.
That's what you needed to do early, and now it's too late.
Like, there is a world where you kill this Viper, but you need three or four heroes to do it.
And it needs to be far enough away from the tower that Whisper doesn't just TP and press two buttons and win.
Yeah.
So it's really, really difficult now on speed.
So what are we looking for? We're looking for Axe to get his blink and blade mill and then hopefully be the big player for rejects because
as it stands, the Monkey Lane also went really poorly, right? Wits went for the rotation mid and dive.
Skullsfield found.
Falling this.
Tag King will slow him down, rebuked for the road and Spear finished the job.
Rebuked us so much damage from Tag Team. It's crazy.
It counts as a melee attack, so it's also why it procs orb effects.
Oh well, attack modifiers orb effects.
Thanks, Perch.
More than welcome.
We still do call it orb walking though.
That term never changed.
Attack modifier walking. I wonder why that didn't catch on.
Yeah.
Just like Amplify damage rune.
Don't get me started on orb walking.
I am still a proponent that it should literally be deleted.
Okay. What would you do then to compensate the heroes? Just have it.
Literally anything. There's a thousand ways to buff heroes.
Give me a suggestion. What should Viper get when it loses all of it?
One armor.
Okay. That seems like a great fair trade-off.
Yeah, why not?
I wonder how much this win rate is going to drop by from now.
Dark Mago.
So you'll be able to get out.
We'll just take cools out of the ice shards.
You hate the things that make heroes unique and cool.
We talked about this yesterday. You blamed me for it.
You said I don't like cool stuff.
Yeah, the difference is, when you're using Harpoon on a tree, no one is crying other than you.
If you're orb-walking somebody as Viper or Huskar, one of those two people wants to die, okay?
Oh, it's pretty easy to die to orb-walking.
Yeah.
So they can get their wish.
How about you play better?
It's not fun. It's not a fun mechanic.
I think a lot of people would argue that playing against Lone Druid's bear in Lane is not fun either.
Something you could do to com-
So you should just delete the bear.
something you can compensate is give him more range when using uh...
more attack range when using poison attack
that's all so more more attack range you already has more
it's fine
yeah
again there's a million ways to put the buff
let's not get into this discussion
already have the
sarf mago has to start off your morning angry
sarf mago has his diffusel al micho spotted here
already got off his heel
I'm going to put down the following and that shot finishes the job.
I kind of interesting that Thai long, I mean I guess it's just a totally different build.
I went for treads instead of the boots of travel.
I figured regardless of the build, because he's going more right clicking now with the
hurricane pack.
But I figured if you're dominating that much, I figured you know, boots of travel is
just a go-to isn't it normally?
Yeah, most of the time mid-vipers do tend to go that.
I think the reason mid-vipers mostly go travels is because they mostly don't go right click.
If you do go right click, I think this build is appealing.
I'm not going to say it's just straight up better, but I think from his perspective there's
two ways of thinking about it.
I'm snowballing.
I should get travel so I could go everywhere.
The other one is I'm snowballing.
I'm going to farm up a storm and carry the game.
And his side lanes don't need help, so he can do whatever he wants.
And this will ramp up his farming speed, it will ramp up his combat prowess, he'll
just have more health, more attack speed, just a shred switch, etc. So I don't mind it.
Maybe if the early game went worse, he would have got travels. What else? It's an interesting
hero. Honestly, there's quite a few heroes rather in Dota at this point that have this
potential. Like almost every carry goes either a shreds or a phase, depending on what hero
they are. Very few heroes do one or the other. There's like a handful of heroes
Where it feels like you can go either a treads or face almost everybody is only one of them
Yeah
So my first one of the rare mids that can go treads and travels not very many heroes that seem to fit this archetype
It's kind of cool
Bottom lane they've got plans
Onto wits not gonna commit though is whisper whisper does have his blank
I definitely could have gone for that but didn't want to Frank is getting close to his bike
And that is, I think we both agree, when they need to do something.
Honestly, I think it's almost their only chance is to play off of him.
This is just generally good advice about Dota in most games, also in pub games,
is whether you're losing or winning, play around your strong hero.
That's just a simple way.
It's a good way to simplify the game and make successful moves.
If you keep helping your weakest hero, then in every situation
that the enemy team has more players or stronger heroes than you, you're going to bleed, which is exactly what happened mid, right?
Rijek's kept trying to help their weak hero, and they just lost every engagement.
Whereas if they had played around X, perhaps they could have dove them where it's atop and actually got this hero into the game two minutes earlier,
and then maybe he could have recovered everything.
So I definitely recommend just listen to Frank, do what he wants.
And if it fails, so be it, right?
Because like, the alternatives just get dominated out of the map.
So play with your strong guy.
Frank did, uh, avoid a gank there, and Dark Maga already used a Swashbuckle rolling Thunder, but the Telekinesis?
He has enough to get the kill, there's the Blinkin' from Frank, so that is the reveal.
Into the Sharpshooter, into the Dunk, so Ty Long, 10x kill streak, by the way,
finally ends, and Frank will be the recipient of all that juicy gold and XP.
Got over 1k gold for a kill at minutes 16.
That is insane.
It's just there's like never a hero that's beyond god like at 16 minutes. So seeing that number just feels ridiculous, right?
You got a thousand four gold
And then okay, this should be this should inspire
Rejects to just play with acts now obviously that was the dream scenario where tusk isn't nearby to protect and rubik doesn't have his
Shard yet
He's gonna spot this this could be really big
Good. He's gonna jump in a little bit early, Frank goes in with kills off Yuma, a double
dunk. What a beastly move.
They're gonna steal it too.
That is an unreal flip of the script. Rosh not very happy with this situation apparently.
As Rubik on the trees, he's gonna get taken out. Frank didn't have enough to get the
actual dunk but four dead for her rowing.
What the hell just happened? Frank, the tank, beast mode enabled.
Tylocke?
Okay, 1v4.
Yeah, they get the Aegis on Dark Mago.
He has pikes I feel safe, but like this is just the dream.
Oh, dream.
He actually even taunts Roached, so he's just getting a bit more spins off.
Alright, Heroic just lost their entire lead by the way.
Yep.
top net worth by a thousand and pango is in a playable game state now he has
diffusal almost level 12 and has the ages so a little bit of pick me up here
for dark moggo 0 6 and 1 now okay so here's the thing that it's kind of funny
that I just talked about this concept playing around you strong hero what did
heroic just do they went for an objective when their strongest hero was
dead yeah so they played without their strongest hero and put themselves in a
potentially compromised position and the rationale was probably rejax
aren't going to think we're going to do this, right? It's like, why would they think we're
roaching? But you have to remember, you're not showing anywhere on the map and you have
more to tusk. It's not rocket science to put two and two together and be like, we should
probably check this. And if they're not there, whatever, you know, then Monkey King
wasted 150 gold to check, and you can go back to playing the map. So there's this
thing, the risk reward of that from Heroic is completely unreasonable, and they could
have made the same play 30 seconds later with a Viper and maybe they just win the
game so that is good for us now it's gonna be entertaining right now this
anything can happen that was that was something else Frank literally 1v5ing
here to get the rejects back in this game and he's now close with all this
influx of gold closest to TV I mean that's it's kind of crazy right acts
generally is not a hero that brings you back in the game he kind of usually
Snowballs winning positions and takes it over he had
Imagine if acts didn't have two good moves back to back how diar this would be looking right?
Yeah, so they really really needed this and it does happen occasionally, so man look at the wind graph
There was an 86 percent or a 10 minutes and indeed we're back to even so
Okay
20 minutes coming up. There's tormenter
Radiant have ages and have pretty good heroes to fight there if they want to so they can consider it
They also pick up the Desolator, which makes it a lot easier to kill, so wouldn't be surprised to see the Radiant team look for that nice play here from the monkey king going for some surprising ward placements, okay?
Looks to be fine.
It's hopping all around the place. We'll be okay. Oh, there's a courier. Hello.
Oh, nice.
He has the ward to play off of here. That's why he feels very safe sniping this. He knows exactly where the enemy moved to.
That will be de-warded.
Yeah, you'd think so.
And as a smoke comes to be for Heroic.
Yeah, their game, their call here is we think that the Rejects are going to go for Tormentor
since they have Aegis advantage.
We're doing this very reasonable way of line of thinking, but a bit of a mind game here.
Rejects just aren't down there at all.
And potentially because of what Monkey King just scouted, they're making the,
they're coming to the conclusion that this is exactly what Heroic are doing.
And now if Heroic don't take the Tormentor themselves, they're actually wasting a ton of time.
They've been moving as five heroes down here for the better part of a minute and in the meantime Pango is just free farming top
Monkey King is killing two curriers and farming their triangle
They're losing nothing. So this this has to be a takedown or you just lost like 2k gold. Yeah, so interesting pick up
Is this common now? I forgot that they even changed the axe for Mars
Basically his second item
That is not common. I want to say that's the old facet where I don't think it lowered cooldown before so that's
Oh yeah, getting restoration for killing people within the arena.
Yeah, it's basically a better version of the facet.
This heals more, it gives more damage, and it lowers cooldown.
So they figured that the facet version was not worthy of an axe, which I would agree with.
Oh, arena does connect. Witt's though not going to get pinned to anything.
He puts down his Wukong, so he gets speared right out of it into the falling,
into the snowball, and into the grave. Nicely done from Heroic.
He was very alone over here. Probably just didn't expect it.
We didn't really, I mean it didn't occur there technically, but we didn't really talk about the
breaking of the trees with Mars Arena very good against the Monkey King as Ty Lung.
He's getting gone on to a shwack into the rolling thunder, sharp sugar as well, but he has a hurricane pike
and now extra bodies, but Frank jumps in with the blade man looking for the shot, the sphere is there, but
they get the snowball just in time. Ty Lung is more than fine.
Now, Frank, is that having to run away?
Skullfield taking the brunt of this damage, he'll be ticked out easily,
and Frank blinks away to safety, so it could have been a disaster there for Rejects.
Yeah.
Better get out of there.
I like their idea to try to go on the Viper.
I think doing it this close to the tower with this hero combination just isn't quite enough.
If Pango and Axe could have lined that up a little bit better, maybe there's a kill,
but still good response from heroic protecting ty long here and
trying to stabilize but isn't it okay let's turn back time 10 minutes ty long was 10 0
he's now level 14 the pangos level almost 16 isn't that like unbelievable this is like turbo mode
one player is 0 6 1 the others 11 1 3 yeah and the 11 1 3 player is behind on experience by
almost two levels. That is really crazy. So obviously the net worth still isn't
Viper's favorite, but only by 1500. Like this lead isn't meaningful anymore in
that matchup itself. I still think Heroic's lineup overall going to
stretch in this game is, I just think it's probably better on paper especially
than where some matchups are really good. Arena becomes a very useful tool
later. But I have to say, with Whisper going aggs, I think you're kind
of how to say you're kind of pigeonholing yourself a bit with this build where Mars himself is not
going to be a major threat you are you're truly just set you're making yourself an arena only right
like you're putting 4,000 gold into just upgrading that ability the stats aren't that great if you're
having an insane game of Mars you can consider you know we've seen a mar in the past just carry
with this hero and whisper actually had a super good game so there were options you could have
could have gone BKB, could have gone Damage items, could have gone Aura's, but he went for the X.
So now they want some payoff with this arena. Gonna try to look for Dark Muggle, Aegis has expired, and it's a nice find.
Snowball could follow into the calling, easy pick off, and the player will miss, so the Enchanters will get away.
Nice TP there from Milomitio. Whisper definitely thought he was turning the corner. So they only get the one, but it's a good kill.
SMY by the way for Tylon.
No way that's real. What?
What 8.6% that cannot be real.
I'm sure it counts all the spears you're so farming right?
Oh, I guess.
You have Soul Ring, you're spear farming all the timing waves.
Still, that's three out of five.
If that was actually a Tempt on heroes, I'm pretty sure you're kicked.
Like genuine. You're out of the scene, not just the team. That's an Exodus game.
X is like that. There's another one there. All right, three out of 36. So, all right,
what are we looking at now? So, close to BKB for Monkey King. Pango is halfway to AGGs.
Oh, Whisper's found here. AGGs call. You can get to use the Wukong's command. Just
the full stun lock, it's an impact.
I'm interested to see if his ags ends up being useful.
Yeah, the Mars one?
Most of it is dependent on somebody dying in the arena.
So you basically have to be the aggressor.
I mean, you get the 10 seconds CDR, which is whatever,
and I think it does something else, right?
I mean, the big thing is when heroes...
It does last long.
What is arena normally?
Is that a full second extra?
I'm actually unsure. Let me check that real quick. Just how long it lasts now.
Because his ability has been nerfed. Yeah, it's one more second. So you get one second more of Arena.
It's a couple of little things, right? Because they recognized once again that the facet just wasn't good enough to be the eggs.
But I don't know, I'm still not overly impressed with this.
But I will say the big upside here, if you kill anyone in the Arena and where it is part of it, getting plus 35% attack damage on that hero,
When she converts it to magic is crazy strong.
So I get the idea.
It definitely has a lot of upsides, but it's conditional.
Yes, exactly.
And conditional items and builds just have this...
You know.
They were thinking about rush like,
okay, let's not make that mistake again, guys.
Ironically, this time it probably would work.
Yeah, absolutely.
But they're clearing the perimeter first.
This is a strong timing.
You mentioned the Sanjinyasha on Tylong,
of course buying that against Axe.
Go field spotted.
That'll be a 3D.
All right, see you later.
Um, is this enough for them to think about the rush?
Maybe.
As long as they cover the perimeter, now that they, you know, rolling thunder obviously
annoying, but the axe call being the big one, I mean, they really do have some good options
for the rejects, Wu Kongs as well.
You can scout with creeps.
Kaya's Sane, Junkie axe by the way.
I was going to say old school build, I think that's the wrong word, but not
Not a build I've seen as much lately, but it's a surprisingly good item on the hero,
so don't mind it.
There were some other options, of course.
Does chasmstone work on call?
On call?
Yeah, sure.
Looks like that would be a really good value item, no?
Yeah, that's true.
You see heroes like hoodwink buy it for...
I mean, it definitely should work.
I also think skullfield should buy one.
Tylong, he's spotted.
It's going to be a full smoke.
They don't fully connect
Anticipating there to be good protection also
This is a pretty bad spot to jump Tylong because he can pike to the high ground
So I think maybe wisely with the lack of information
Dark Longo is going to have his agonim scepter revealed here as well. That's a big big power spike
Now the dream situation here
I think for the radiant is to jump on Mars and for the radiant you just want to get a good arena off
It's very kind of a binary situation here
I'll whisper this potentially good arena there, not going to go for it.
He only sees the Ench, doesn't want to over-commit on this.
Ench with the four stuff in the backpack, alright, it's going to swap it in.
Probably a good idea.
Let's see Tylong.
Okay, they use the Viper's Strike on to the Ench and there's a rolling thunder response
from Dark Mago, but that's a full disengage, although they get the balance strike on
the Tylong.
Still pretty healthy, which is already going to pop to me, KB, with the Wukong as
well.
Did they have the same KJ, gets the telekinesis?
They're gonna be able to take out Schofield though to start this fight
So you can see the Viper is all alone a little bit late on the arena the spear completely whiffs
The Moertha comes in with the ult and they delete wits from the face of the map
Just gets two shot there. This fight is not over yet
The Arthaga spotted punched up in the air. There's the Falvo and the dunk onto Yuma the biggest kill the double from Frank again
And Spear comes out not going to be doing too much as KJ looks to be next on Frank's list, shot number three.
Yeah, we should, I hope we get a replay of this. This is just not good enough formation for Heroic at this level, right?
Viper cannot be on an island for ten seconds without protection. The only thing they got on him was a defensive telekinesis.
Where's the Tusk snowball? Like, if you're waiting for Blink call from X, it did happen.
happen and Tusk was still unable to connect so they kind of just left Tylong out to dry.
He just got soloed, he didn't get soloed, but he got very minimal protection.
He's just the centerpiece of your strategy.
You can't just let this happen.
He's genuinely being 2v or 3v1 for the better part of how long, like Teolokor is killing
Schofield here.
And unfortunately, I think the telekinesis, if he had just put it down the south side.
Put him down toward Whisper so he can arena for you, put him down to your Tusk so
So he can snowball for you, like this is very backwards from Heroic, and it's gonna cost
them dearly, right?
That was a pretty major loss now, they don't lose Roche, which is the good news, cause Wittz
was the casualty here, so they couldn't kill the big guy, but it's still, and also of
course, I mean, mechanically, some misplays, right?
Whisper misses the spear completely, even though he has shard so he gets a zero connection.
Back in live.
Okay!
Good news for Heroic is they will still get the Roche.
They will, which is a bit surprising.
Yes, they didn't have enough in the tank to take Brochot themselves.
That's very good news. Aegis is the best item in the entire game against Axe.
So, that is going to help Yuma a lot in the coming fight with safety and confidence.
Interesting choice that they give it to him, to be honest. I thought they were going to put it on Tylong.
But...
Yeah, it feels like a transformation here, but it does offer that layer of protection
where if you get called, before you can get anything off.
Yeah, I get that rationale.
It's just in every situation where you get ulti off in this game, you don't die.
Whereas Viper can very much just bully like crazy in the frontline, because it's a hard
commitment to take down you so many stats, but you know, maybe the overall call here
is for trusting in Yuma to carry it and if you if you want to hit towers I still
don't know who's better to put it on to be honest she might want to buy it as well
because it's going right click. Okay wait did Tylong stop his Scotty? So he bought
an ultimate orb and now he's going BKB so he decided to do things in
different order. Okay this is basically my team isn't helping me with the
saves. I personally think he should finish the Scotty. That's a pretty
expensive stopgap I have to say. Right, I think finish the Scotty and you just need to,
as a team, just need to protect him better. This is having a casual hold to or
it's atrocious value. It's one of the worst items in the game for what it
costs, which is obviously by design, because if this was an economy purchase
it would be the most broken item ever.
Cylon, he's getting gone on, and the Wukong's again and everything.
Very easy kill.
Alright, let's think about another thing in this game, except the actual game state.
Let's think about the mental here. You were 10-0.
You were completely on top. Your teammates were tipping you, you were crushing it.
You're a young player, playing a high stakes game on land, a little bit of an experience.
And it feels like your world is coming crashing down.
It's like, I was winning this game so hard, where did it all go wrong?
You're cutting your item build in half to readjust, and then, even though you're doing that when you're farming, your teammates still aren't protecting you in the mid lane when you're farming.
Yeah, we brought this up at the beginning, they have two saves, especially with the Shard onto the Rubik.
So how are you going to communicate and how are you going to adjust your playstyle in the game to fit these conditions?
The mental side of things is arguably the most important thing, whether you're stomping or getting stomped.
Keep getting objectives, this guy losing these really important heroes.
It's costing them a lot of gold though.
He gets a little injection here, Cinder.
Yeah, that's good.
You can hit buildings.
Yeah, I think he's going to think twice about hitting anything right now, but eventually.
I just, it's very important for Heroic that they are getting these objectives
because they're getting mega out farmed.
And that's obviously a consequence of how much they're grouping up.
They're not grouping up with Tylon.
He's like the one guy who has no protection in the moments, just, uh, yeah.
Not the greatest from Heroic, and unfortunately, I think if you look at this tournament as a whole,
the games we've cast of them, they have just been prone to make some pretty critical errors.
We had the series as well yesterday, where either it was yesterday or the day before,
where they were in a really good position and kind of just dropped the ball.
So, gotta tighten up and avoid those critical mistakes, because in terms of individual skill
and in terms of snowballing, this team is incredible.
Some games they're like elite level where they just do everything right seemingly for
the first 15 minutes.
You gotta bring it home.
This is a crucial moment, ages for one minute, I genuinely think Rejects just shouldn't
fight.
Like just wait this one minute and make your life a lot easier.
We're gonna start it off.
Well, as they're going to find a connection again at the time on Teji, there's the snowball save,
Aegis already consumed, there's the arena with the spear, but the Viper is already dead!
Double kill for Wittz and now Heroic on the run.
They're going to try to protect their...
Warrant up, but she's just going to get called, she kills off Frank inside the call,
but now connections are made, stun locked, four days, triple kill for Wittz now.
And this is just going to continue on for Dead for Heroic.
Feels like we have seen this a time or two.
They did get the saves eventually, but it just felt too late.
Like he had such little HP at that point.
He was already down to a third when he got snowballed, and the arena comes in.
But again, this is a compounding problem, right?
Because of the previous Deaths Viper had, when he was the strongest hero,
he is now missing the item that would have saved his life there, which is the PKB.
He still doesn't have it because of prior two to three deaths.
Yes. So everything you're seeing on fold is just a consequence of previous errors just paying, just costing even more.
And if you lose this game to Roy, it's gonna be hell of a bit more.
Oh yeah.
It's like you had everything your mid hero was 10 and 0 at 12 minutes, or 13 minutes, whatever it was, or set us down.
They didn't arrange barracks, but there's enough heroes up to try to fight this out.
They got Tyrone Wukong's command, all the companies is back in.
Okay.
Don't force that away, Tylong. Staying alive.
Your favorite item, the harpoon, was pulling him in.
That's right. Very important to bring that up.
This...
Ballastrakh's not gonna hit, but Tylong is still low enough for them to take out.
Oh, it hurts!
He has five acts if he needs to use it as the rejects.
They're not able to finish the full set. There are some seeds here as well.
And Yuma...
Maybe enough to defend at the very least, but this...
Five deaths now on the Viper after starting 10 and 0. He's been 1 in 5 since.
Fuck me, man. This is… I feel like… I don't know. I feel like Kaffs is just like…
I think he's run out of palms to face in at this point. You're watching this as…
I think this is one of those games that's just when you go as a coach afterwards, win
or lose, and you need to rally the troops and figure out what to do for the next game.
I think you have a bit of a challenge ahead of you here.
Oh, I think they stack. Am I not mistaken that they stack the telekinesis and snowball?
They might have also. A lot is worth. I don't know if that would have changed much.
I think the moment the pango roll connects, he's going to be able to roll through and finish the job too.
It's really great teamfight execution from Regents. They're exploiting every moment of opportunity they get
and isolating and killing the correct targets.
So as much as we're criticizing some mistakes from Heroic, got to give props where it's due, right?
rejects from a terrible position have managed to swing this game completely around making tons of good moves
and now oh
Excellent condo. That's cool. Oh
Now this doesn't break anymore, it would have been insane the old condo would have been a gimme here against viper and mars, but it's still it
Drastically increases the damage of calling. Wait, it does break. What do you mean?
Wait, what am I saying?
You're saying you're being correct. You're spreading lies.
Forget what I said. It's good against Viper. It's good against Viper and Mars.
I had a brain fart. How does that work with...
Oh, the jump in, on to Moertha. There's the safe. Fast snowball. Good. Alright.
Frank already popped the BKB. Run to the damage now, onto the tusk will be the sacrifice for Haro.
Dark Mago has already used his rolling funders. There's a piece of air from Yume.
Up the DKV, avoid the stun from Darth Mauga, along with the Boundless Strike as well.
Oh, the second one.
Oh, it's on the run.
Good buyback on the little Tesla, there's the Viper Strike on to the axe down and out.
And now Witt's kind of all alone, puts down the Wukong's command, gets the Jinglu stacks
as well.
Good spear to buy some space.
As Yuma is going to focus on the Enchancers, gets the break, but they're going to
lose Whisper in the midst of all this.
Oh!
Big Boundless Strike from Witt's coming in with that short of the telekinesis.
Tatum is destroying him.
Witt's will drop to the deck as Darth Mauga, the last remaining member, but
not for long. Heroic prevail in a fight after losing fight after fight after fight.
Are they back in it now? The critical difference this time. They passed the buyback. Fast snowball
and the initiation was on where to not viper. Those were the two main differences and of course
Tylong has a bkb this time. So heroic they find a timing now they finally have some stuff
and ironically after we just said this is an insane kanda that's the worst fight that
They've had all game, more or less, but this was a mixed bag right.
This is a great snowball very early.
He's on 85% health.
So and some serious damage coming out of that, obviously onto the
the only course you pointed out he will die.
But with this call down and with the role being BKB'd off by Yuma,
he gets to play the fight big Lotus there too.
And this call, this call hits totally different story, but not
connecting from Frank and was fine.
I had this whole time too.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Finally, this axe has not paid off. I don't think they've got a kill inside the arena.
They didn't use it at all.
No. But, didn't need it.
You'd think even, like, maybe that's a downside of it as well, but having the axe just using it on somebody that's about to die could also be a huge benefit.
Just to get that restoration and the attack damage.
Absolutely. I think it's... I agree.
Just put it down.
There shouldn't be a fight without it being used when it's this long. You have to get some arena off, but...
Alright. Weird game. Entertaining game though.
That's all we can hope for.
Alright, so Tylong like you said, his BKB is done, and oh boy.
It's still going to be a casual ultimate order, changing to an AC now.
Hmm. Still think the Scotty would be fine. I mean he just wants more armor for protection against Monkey King I'm guessing, and Pango.
It makes sense to get a plate mail
Item of course in the build. Just the order is a bit and he's going for the 60 minute build here all good
There'll be six slotted like none other dark mago spotted nice roll up though into the rolling thunder
I'm gonna try to turn this around stolen. It is stolen. He's like you mr. KJ
But boundless strike destroys the olacor as Tyler again
I left his own device is gonna heal up next to a cheese
I believe as dark mago rolling around gets the swatch not really gonna hit too much for the shield
Crashing is there, tie-long. Getting to the low ground, but he gets blocked by the trees. Triple kill for Whips.
And now, again, no arena usage.
I am...
...four dead for Heroic.
Uh-oh.
This axe has been completely useless.
It's been Whispers' worst purchase of the tournament, because he's got no value out of it.
It feels like that was another, as you mentioned, another fight without the spell even being used.
It's low enough that you just throw it out anyway, like the cooldown.
Yeah.
I get that you don't want to waste it if people are BKB and they're just gonna run through it or you don't have a good
Target to isolate like of course like you don't want to use it for nothing
But once again if you're in a position where it doesn't get used that means the fight was bogus to begin with right like you
Have to find better fight selection than this so that you can activate the potential of the hero
It's just so much wasted net worth
This is two lanes minimum indeed made is gone top is gone
They if they made the call. Oh, no, man. They're still two to one
Don't think we're hitting to your force here. I think we're taking Roche
If you're the reject side and they're pinging it already if they get this ages surely this is
I mean, I say surely it's in the bag
But you never know I would be more worried for heroic in this position than I would for rejects because I think they're just more
prone to make these late game errors
I think for
rejects this one
But a better track record of converting these positions to consistent wins as of late.
This stage is going to be Dory monster wins on the Monkees.
Also refresher for Dark Mago, you've got a cheese on axe.
By the way you mentioned the Viper being healed in the previous fight, that was another
greater Lotus from Rubik.
And King Jungles, that was actually a cool play.
He did it while rolling through the Viper in the cube so you could reach him.
So he did his best to help out his buddy.
But once again, unfortunately, the timing of the Tylong finally getting the help he needs
is too late.
And I said, if you're losing this game, you're not picking him Viper again.
He has got to have a really hard time accepting this loss, I think.
It's like, guys, this is why we picked...
I destroyed this game.
I mean, they basically won the game.
Absolutely obliterated.
You can't ask for more of me.
And still, it wasn't enough.
Dark Mago has a refresher, so the shard can be passed around, it's actually going to be
on wits.
I was thinking Frank might take that, Double Claw seems to be a game-ender in many games
from the past.
It doesn't really have room to hold it though, unless he wants to drop his boots I suppose.
Yeah, these refresher shards seem to be just backpack items, you pop BKB then
and then you replace it with the shard.
I wonder if this is the first condo tournament,
the purchase of the tournament.
I think I haven't seen this item bought a single time
in like two months.
No.
So.
Still very interesting that I somehow thought
it lost its break, but there you go.
Like when items just disappear from the game,
almost you can't forget what's going on.
I mean, technically it doesn't say it breaks.
It says disables pass.
Yeah, I mean it's.
Okay. Now we're really trying to help me out.
I don't think there's a good...
You're still really good at your job.
I don't think there's a good excuse for that.
Sometimes you just fuck up, okay?
It is what it is.
I think I fucked up less than Heroic in this.
That's very good.
With the Wukong to create some space,
try to get these last pair of Barracks whispered to his town.
Call?
Actually called as well.
I can't get up and get saved from the Snowball,
but they're gonna be going the other way.
Heroic found her right on top!
It's a slug!
Disaster, man!
Heroic, gonna have to buy back in mass to have another Wukong's command if they want to use it
They will there's the arena finally the first time in the last 15 minutes
We have seen this fell and Swisper trying to make something happen
Skowfield still living on the outskirts of this nobody has died
Though from the reject side, but of course wiper will take a tumble
And now this should be coming to an end a triple kill for the enchantress
Yep, she's just getting free-hidden on slow field is spotted, but there's one last dunk from Frank
He's gonna fall for this effort, but
You can buy back and just help finish this game as gg is called
And the South American rejects well they take game one not not in the fashion that we were expecting necessarily
But I think
Regardless of how good the viper actually looked here. I don't think we're gonna see
I this is this is just going to be a test of mental fortitude. Honestly. This is just a soul crushing loss
For heroic as far as I'm concerned they I mean understandably look very stunned here
That one sucks
But sometimes these games happen where you just mess up if you're a great team you can come back from this
rejects take game one
They do and a very solemn and somber heroic there because ultimately and we're definitely gonna talk about it
You get off to a start like that the game should be in the bag and especially given we thought we were gonna be eating humble pie on the desk
We saw the viper start eight kills by eight minutes
In the mid lane including the first blood on the pango that it was laning against. This is it now you transition into the wind
I maybe this hero just doesn't do any I have a
I think it's a very weird
comparison. Just hear me out
on this one. I feel like
Viper is like a really good
drug for heroic, but one that
just completely destroys your
insides, you know, and you get
addicted to it. Like it's
just I can see what they see
in it. You know, you're
absolutely god tier 17 year
destroying and then this happens and then you fall off like this and it's so
tempting to go it wasn't a viper it wasn't a viper we just played bad and
it's like well okay but you're putting yourself in a position where this can
happen you know you're in a situation where you're always hanging off of a
precipice and you can fall at any moment and then you get behind and it
looks like this I feel like it's similar to me we were seeing slaughter mid at
maybe Wulakia 6 or 7, where it also felt really tempting
because it owned every hero in the mid lane,
but then the moment it fell off, sure, you'd win the lane,
but then the enemy mid laner, some Beastmaster
or whatever who's like, or Ember Spear,
who's like rampaging the game
and having way more of an impact in the mid game.
I hope they see that.
I really hope they see that.
I like that this game was competitive.
Shoutouts to South American Rejects.
They did amazing, but we have to talk about the Viper.
Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you who did amazing.
We have Frank Frank the tank that act picked that you called he was a beast with it
He did his job and more
Just comes down through the South American Regis again being I feel like an emotional team
If you look at the game objectively from the beginning you have dark matter going made in a bad matchup
He gets a bad block. So the lane is on my presale. I feel like his first test with him basically giving up
he kind of like
got tilted in my opinion from Viper and he just did the kill and that snowballed into another kill
and it snowballed into like the entire team instead of thinking about the game objectively
they just looked at the Viper they just wanted him they just wanted him gone so they wanted to
try to kill him a couple of times they failed and suddenly like Tylung is on this like
10 kill streak right and this is where the Viper comes into play again as we're gonna see in
like in all teamfights, Tyloong is not comfortable playing after lane exchange on Viper.
The entire game, he's been getting caught out and putting his team in a bad position.
The rush fight that we saw, again, Tyloong was dead, he was too late on the fight,
they felt rushed, they went to rush pit, they made a big throw.
Moments later, Tyloong again getting caught out.
Again, the team falls apart after that and it just kept happening over and over and over again
and I still feel the root of this problem is this Viper.
It's not to make any rejects, they smelled blood.
Frank, especially, he saw his chances.
He was very good against the Murta though,
the biggest problem he dealt with swiftly.
Yeah, such a good pick from them.
And amazing gameplay as well.
Like when you have a mid laner who is just feeding,
it's just absolutely feeding.
Classic Dark Magal, you know,
we're next game, he'll be fine.
But I thought, I was like, this one is over.
I've seen this before, like in my pubs,
I've seen it in in Dark Mago's game play for 10 years that the guy starts feeding
It just does not stop, you know, but somebody had to come in one of the other course had to come in and like save the day and
That's almost never gonna be the carry unless you're talking like super like in but after a laning stage
Like basically the off laner has to be the savior and Frank was he was hitting like two three-man calls at the very least on
Very important heroes and then eventually dark Mago is able to catch up
I mean look at this eight minutes thirty seconds into the game eight oh in three on viper
Yeah, yeah, but I mean it's like it's like I said we before we went into the game like yes
Laning phase pangos not gonna have a good time, but then once these teamfights start out
You just got viper and he's on an island you got panga rolling around knocking them everywhere
I mean and also just to say about the clip that's happening here
This was the moment the game re-entered.
And this again comes from Tyloonk just dying 30 seconds ago.
As you can see he came in 3 seconds too late to the fight.
If he was alive, the team would have probably taken the approach differently and not been everybody in the pit.
He probably would have had somebody scouting.
The thing is, it would have been more comfortable, more calm.
I feel like Tyloonk dying usually gives his team a bad vibe and they feel like they need to do something, right?
And that's probably why they even rushed this Roche. And when they didn't know we had to do anything, they had full control of the game.
All they had to do is farm the Muerta, get him to like a satanic, maybe some SNY, because Axe is a bigger problem.
And that's about it. That's all they had to do.
That's a really crazy call by the way. I mean, obviously from Frank, I mean, but also to go Roche there, like,
and any team has Axe, Blade Metal, Blink, Snowballing, like, what, what are they, what are they?
You got to give credit to Witz, he's the guy who's sitting on the Trigae vision of the
ocean.
Frank wouldn't have been able to do that call without Monkey giving full information for
him.
Another reason why the monkey is so strong right now.
You've got another couple of clips you want to look at, right, Wei?
Yeah.
So basically what I was talking about, you see Tai Lung here, he's just middling
on an island.
This is already like the third time it's happened.
He's just alone, supports are not there with him.
heroic they have this structure they're playing they're playing very well and in
this teamfight as well he's in the river while they're looking for a fight he has
no place he does not belong there being on the low ground is basically
guaranteeing you're gonna get caught out so again Tyloon always getting caught
out the the team is playing cohesive the other four players but they have
this factor the wild factor and they seem like they're kind of falling
apart because of how Tyloon is playing in this game and it's mainly
because of the Viper. He does nothing like this in general. It's only on the Viper. He's played four games on Viper so far.
He's one and three. Every time is the same thing.
He just does good on lane and then completely gets lost, gets caught out everywhere on the map,
and just keeps feeding and his team is just crumbling apart.
This is the most like polarizing example of it, of like the best early game into the worst late game.
Like there is no better example of exactly what we're talking about than literally the game that just happened.
to the point we were like, we're just wrong.
Like they have a better read on this than we do.
We didn't think that the fall off could happen
from that much of a peak.
And they have the game in the bag.
All they had to do was just chill, you know,
or the wild card.
All right, guys, we've got to go to a break.
The South American rejects found themselves
in the Viper's Nest.
They didn't care.
We'll see you in a moment.
Everybody, we are back to test the knowledge
of our pro players for the last patch.
I'm here with KJ.
KJ, do you read the patch notes?
No.
OK, great.
Good start.
Does someone read them to you?
Like a baby.
No, I read, but you actually learn by playing.
Oh, you're one of those guys.
Pretend like you're very hardworking, but you know.
Oh, I'm a play by doer kind of guy, right?
That's the way you learn.
It's better.
It's a better way.
You're the pro player.
Reading is better.
I'm not going to argue with you.
Well, that's not going to help you here, probably.
But maybe it will, we'll see.
We're gonna ask you questions about the patch.
You have three minutes to get as many right as possible.
So if you don't know, I suggest you just guess
so we can move on.
It's about how many you can get right.
Are you ready?
Da.
Da vai.
Da vai, la ma, let us begin.
Okay, prior to 7.41, the Tormenter
could deal damage to neutrals.
Is that true?
Yes or no?
It's false.
False, it was true big dawn.
You could damage neutral units.
Let's move on.
Flash Heap was nerfed.
True or false?
True.
True was actually false.
No, it's true.
It's false, I remember now.
Yeah, that's OK.
But they changed their way of scales.
That's true.
Void Spirit's 8th Remnant was charged.
False, false, false.
Cat Falls, that is right.
It used to.
They changed that.
Well done.
What is the active smell of metamorphic mandible called?
Bug out, arachnid assailant.
We're talking about Dota?
Yep, that's in the game. Metamorphic Mandible.
That's in the game.
It's bug out.
It's not bug out, that's a trick one. Something else is called bug out.
I don't even know which heroes it is.
It's a neutral item, no one that makes you small.
Ah, in 7.41B the only thing, only one thing lost true sight, what was it?
Here is spell. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Is there only one thing lost true sight? What was it?
I know, I know.
Take your time.
There's not a timer.
There is a timer.
I know, because I need something to do.
You should just say something.
Anything.
No, I know.
I know you know, but it doesn't matter at this point.
You've wasted.
Here's the name.
No, no, no.
Neutriac, because of Necronomicon, Necronomicon.
Necronomicon, he got it right.
It was Necronomicon.
It only cost you half your available time.
I cannot reveal which of the following.
Wires.
That's right.
Okay, we're making some room. Good job on the essence is still
Yeah, I'm not reading fast enough go ahead balance vast wiser audacious only one exists still
I think why is exist? I don't know. No don't have XP anymore
Yeah, no, you can't ping that someone should buy wise. It's audacious. Sorry, buddy
I was gonna go for that. Okay, which of the following heroes did not have their base armor increased by one?
Terrorblade, Anti-Mage, Legion or Death Prophet?
They did not have their base iron crystal ball on it, it was.
They can literally take damage.
It was Terrorblade.
Terrorblade?
Yeah.
Everyone says that. No.
It was Legion Commander.
So sad.
Yeah.
What's the innate?
Which of the following heroes cannot miss a pill of units while flying?
Batrider, Wyvern, Dragonite or Lina?
I think Dragonite is fixed, right?
It's Dragonite.
No, it's actually Witcher Wyvern Dragonite. Can miss now.
Can miss there. Can miss. Yeah, that's on me.
Lone Druid only received one change. What was it? Attack speed buff? Attack percentage buff.
That's right! We go to one more! Quick, quick, quick, quick!
Which of the following heroes did not receive a change in every single patch?
Do a little tiny tinker or bat.
Boom. No, no.
It was...
Which one do you think it was?
The 7.41.
Which one do you think it was?
I mean, I don't remember.
Because Tinker changed, Doom changed, Doom got nerfed, Talon,
Tinker got nerfed, they didn't go down to the ground.
That Tiny was...
It's Tiny or Bat.
Now, Tiny or Bat, which one?
Yeah, I tried it once better than I was!
Alright, fantastic!
Correct!
Well done. Thank you for coming, KJ.
Read the match notes next time.
I mean, you need to play with Survivor and all these things.
Oh, okay, here we go.
The play by doing...
Okay, thank you so much, KJ.
Excellent.
You did play by doing.
We will see more play by doing by Team Heroic at PGL Valakia Season 8.
Welcome back.
KJ there, and he's got bigger problems on his plate than patch note memorization
right now. They are down against South American rejects. He has told us himself the psychological
damage that being behind against his local rivals without an august done to them. And
now heroic have really got to dig deep. And also be honest with themselves.
Yeah, we are beating a dead horse here which you know, requires even more discussion of
why that can happen. How is it possible that it feels like everyone can see something and
yet they keep going back to the same thing? Like I said previously, I respect a team
that has their own ideas and says,
we know ourselves better than you know us,
but at some point you have to look at the statistics,
at some point you have to feel the anecdotal evidence.
At some point someone's gotta step up and say something
and try to make a change, at least try,
like go out trying something different.
Yeah, I mean, I will say, I won't put it all on Thailand
because, I mean, I thought like the Mars,
we didn't have time to get into it before this game.
There was a lot of missed combos.
He did miss a couple of spears.
But again, to me, looking at this game,
that was just played objectively.
Let's forget about Tyloon being a Viper.
Heroic played pretty well.
The laning stage, the way they evolved from there,
the way they opened the map,
Objective taking as well was a good priority. I feel like they went with the right timings. They just had a rough time because
Tyloon was
Yeah
Viper again, I mean KJ looks dumb
I mean I just
Anyways, what I was saying is heroic as for looked amazing, but because Tyloon was making a lot of mistakes
they crumbled. If he does not become emotional, does not tilt, and just focuses and plays with
the team together, I think Heroic can have a great and easy game.
Yeah, I agree. I really, you know, I personally don't think Viper scales like it used to,
but you're totally right when you say there's no reason, there's no reason to get caught
out like he did, especially with such a high net worth.
so many times like it wasn't like once yeah like 45 times it is it is my
opinion that if you are ten and oh on any hero including a crystal maiden or a
pledge and you lose the game it is your fault that is such an insane KDA to have
at the time that he had it at it means you've made some mistakes perhaps it's
on his teammates with more experience to identify that and say like hey buddy like
you played insanely well you're super high skill but that means there's
more pressure on you not to die here. And maybe you have to play safer. Maybe you can't
take that midway farm that you think that you can get away with or wouldn't matter so
much that you died. Like you're basically like Mr. President in that game when you have
a 10-0 kill streak.
The game tells us all the information actually. We don't need to talk to Heroic. Basically
after a couple of deaths from Viper, Heroic actually went behind him and then he kept
doing the same moves on Viper and then Heroic got baited into bad fights and not
only the Viper died, but he killed his entire like all of his teammates as well in the teamfights.
So they understand that he had this issue last game. They tried to fix it, but I feel like a
discussion in the game like stop feeding, stop going there. Usually it's bad for the team energy,
right? So what they did instead was just follow him. They follow them into the bad place.
Yeah, but I think this is actually now also having an effect here on the draft, right?
Okay, he's got the Viper. We saw them take the Tusk. It's 0-3 for Heroic,
but I feel they have to take the Tusk to maybe try and save the Viper.
You know, he's going to have those saves, right?
That was the whole point, and because of his positioning in the first couple of this,
he was nowhere close to the teammates.
But then eventually, as I said, Heroic did manage to go behind the Viper.
They tried saving him, but it was already too late.
Software mechanics already had all the items they need to
basically stand the ground in a teamfight and pretty much not care about
the Viper anymore. There won't be a monkey king in the gang so that's
something for heroic at least. Complete repeat of the draft. Rinse and repeat.
I mean, Pango and Monkey now? I would... Monkeys out this time. I would love to
see the Huskar come out and run the Viper, I mean now it's a little rough
though because Viper doesn't destroy a Kez like he destroys a monkey king. I think
it's in the off lane. Enchantress, Pango and Kez are all kind of good, kind of
very good against Huskar in the game. Of course if it's a Pango mid it can
still be off lane. There is a very high chance Pango just gets demolished
once again but they do have last pick on on South American reeks. So the
Huskar is not a big of a threat right now and not only that, Huskar plus Viper in the same
team.
Yeah you don't need it, that's true.
I mean he destroyed mid lane on Viper anyway last game, maybe just pick something different
for Whisper that you can't Mars anymore into Kez, like that was a very rough matchup.
Maybe they like tighthunter the Kez?
Tighthunter is pretty good against the Kez generally.
I think on lane, since Kizz has super high natural base damage, very low attack speed, just anchor smashing him once
can be detrimental to his damage on the Tidehunter, and basically like, they can guarantee they would just free farm.
I don't think he stops the Kizz from farming, so basically just like trade farm all the time, and they do, they do go for it, it's quite nice.
Yeah, I mean I like it, I think, just a better hero than Mars right now too.
too but you know what I mean is the vipers locked on it's a mid it's a mid
viper I mean unless they pull up the Yuma viper but I don't think he owned
with it last game he destroyed Dark Magone lane but then he destroyed his
teammates so if the if you can just not have the mid game not repeat the same
mistakes maybe they had to talk I think more to again is actually good I would
be surprised if South American rejects don't ban Muerta, all this physical damage between
the Kez and the Pango?
Well, if they do want the Muerta, they will probably ban the Axe, and since they don't
have Last Pick or Last Ban, it's probably just like, if the Axe ban comes out, the
Muerta ban will come out most likely.
The ban is a nice talker instead.
Maybe looking for a bike?
Is there a reason for this nice talker ban? I feel like it's probably because of the carry that they're going to pick to him.
Because right now, nice talker does not look like a good hero to pick into Heroic's lineup.
On the other hand, South American Rejects, they have very strong lanes. They have very strong mid-to-league game.
I love Pango. Kills proved themselves once again in this tournament to be just an absolute beast of a hero.
of a hero he's like I think it's 12 and 2 right now currently he's insane
winrate and most is his 9 and 2 on the carry and 2-0 on the on the mid lane so
11 and 2 currently I think satanic played it with quite a big success I
think he has declared himself the greatest he did declare himself yeah he said I'm the best
Yes, kids. Yeah. Just love kids. I am the best. We are is bullshit. Yeah. That's true.
Forget about that. You offer us all, didn't he? I'll make sure every time I come here
to remind everybody what satanica said. And they go blood. Oh, I've seen. Yes. It's
funny how the day we talk about it, we see the hero. I mean, I had a feeling, especially
in this game, but, you know, with obviously this is the lower bracket, you're going
to go out, time to get funky with the drafts.
It's still a nice locker band, doesn't make sense, but I guess it's a frank thing.
Expand into that.
Only what South American regies want to do, because they have pango they can put both mid
and off lane, they have two minutes to think about the hero, plenty of time.
Now there's a bloodseeker.
I have not seen much of it in professional play lately.
Is it still the ultra counter to pango that it used to be?
Yes.
Oh yeah.
I don't really know if it's the ultra counter but rupture will always be good against pango
here.
It basically forces you to either TP out or stop your roll and this is something you
don't want on pango but the thing is now in this patch pango has been buffed so much
on his swashbuckle and agonies that he just doesn't care at some point.
When he gets to level 15 he gets a swashbuckle cooldown reduction talent.
is to level 20 he gets shield trash reduction down combined that with an agonist nocturine
suddenly he's just like he doesn't even want to use roll because he just has infinite spells
washbuckling and shield crash over and over again so imagine it's not as bad as it used to be
okay room master yeah i haven't seen a brew win yet here in velahia but it's definitely good
uh i i think in this situation there's like almost nothing that can burst him down before
his split and more importantly there's not much to kill the pandas when he does
split which I think is how most people are countering brew these days it's
disruptive in team fights you can throw the tide up you can throw the viper up
if he's 9-0 because Dark Mago is feeding his brains out I really I really do
like it I think it brings the draft together although I do like the blood
secret to really good against Kez and pango obviously but even Kez like the
hero runs around really quickly he's in and out of fights like he wants to
play on mobility and obviously rupture prevents all of that I feel like this
game is basically Tyloong holding nine people hostage yeah I mean I agree with
your brother it's it's crazy he can make or break this game by itself I usually
on Viper usually the one who wins the early game and then he's the one who
throws the metal again so basically as this Tyloong versus himself pretty
much I can't even make a prediction because it's such it's so crazy to
me the end of throwing so many games.
I think heroic of, you know, KJ is so honest and open about it.
I just think right now, mentally, they are just not in a good place.
And I think when it's like that, it's hard to make clear concise calls,
particularly in the mid game when you've got to play objective though.
You know, I hope they all agreed on this, you know, that like this is
something that they discussed and this is not like factions forming
within the team where there's like some people are fine.
We can play the viper again. You know, I hope they're all like, okay, let's clean up the midgame run it back
I'll go with the south American rejects. Yeah, all right. Let's see what happens. We've got slacks on the sidelines for some insight
Absolutely guys. Yes, I am here with caps team heroic now caps our panel has spent the entire time yapping about what cowards
They were they see something not working out and they're like
Yeah, you've lost a lot on viper, but I have a lot of respect for a guy that sticks to his gun stick to his
Kaho knows all right. Why are we still picking this hero even though it's not working out? Is it just cuz you're the big balls?
Or what's the deal?
Actually Ty long asked for it. He was like let's do the same, please
Please I just did it, you know, but what later wanted to do it again. He felt really confident doing it
I don't think we lost because of the Viper. I think we played really bad in general
We had a game completely and we made some really questionable decisions
I don't think the the reason of us losing this game was because we had Viper and
Anyone that say so is completely wrong
So the the thing is if you go and look at our qualifier games as against Sar
We have a lot of history if you look at the older drafts of us playing against them
They ban Viper first base every game because Dark Mago doesn't have heroes against Viper apart from the sniper
So and you did win. Yeah that lane. Yeah, we did win that lane pretty hard
Like it's just a matter of matchups and he's stirring the region things later and the tyloon just got first one
He just got first blood you dumb bastards on panel you dumb idiots. That's why you're retired
That's why he's coaching as I'm talking about let's get into the game and get in with some casters that definitely should also retire
Yep, that sounds like a good move here game number two between heroic and
and South American rejects.
Here we go again, the Viper.
I mean, I agree with him, though.
He's right.
They did not lose because of the Viper lesson.
And we were saying that, hey, we're not part of the panel.
I just want to separate ourselves as far as possible
from Jenkins.
The other two are OK.
Just Jenkins, want to make that very clear.
Even though we're business partners
and we're losing a lot of money together,
so want to separate myself from him right now,
just to play it safe.
But yeah, Viper again.
And I actually respect this.
I do too.
because you know it wasn't the Viper's fault.
And again, it's against Triple.
I mean, Brew doesn't really count, I guess, but Triple may lay cores.
And he's already gotten first blood against the Pangas.
There's a very important distinction to make when we say it's not Viper's fault.
I do think it was largely Viper's fault, but I don't think it was the pick's fault.
And as the coach, he's in there, his player is asking for a do-over,
which is essentially Tylen saying, guys, I fucked up, or we fucked up.
One or the other.
That game was, Viper was amazing for what it was supposed to do.
And then they just, like he said, made some, I think questionable decisions was a great way to put it.
That was a very positive word, even, for what they did.
I think they just flat out really messed up in that previous game.
So, especially with what he's saying with some more context, which is obviously interesting,
these teams know each other very well.
They know Dark Mago can't deal with this hero, and you saw it last game that he couldn't.
They just, they threw the game away.
So if your mid player is not scared to run it back and show that he's got what it takes,
that's fine.
Now, what sucks here is, if they lose this game as well on the Viper, you're going to
leave the tournament and be like, what could have been if we just weren't so stubborn?
But I very much respect them.
Under tier one, this is another death.
The silver lining here, Sinner, if they lose this game, they won't be picking Viper
Because they'd be out of the tournament so that is a silver lining. It's for somebody at least. Yeah
I think he's a bit frustrated the coach. Hmm. I feel like he actually revealed quite a bit
Basically talking shit about dark mobby. He can't play against wiper other than sniper
Hey, how often do you hear that directly right?
Just giving this much like the liberation on a hero pool of an opposing player is quite unusual
But I I think
Caps from the position that he's in is also, you know
trying to both protect himself and his team a little bit from, you know, public pressure and it's like,
you guys are watching us lose on Viper, you're gonna think we're just complete morons,
so he probably feels like he has to go a little bit out of his way to justify how they're thinking and maybe show a bit more than you're usually comfortable with.
And I get it, like, obviously fan bases of Heroic are very passionate, and they have a lot of fans in the South American region
are obviously gonna give them a ton of shit for losing a game like the last one, so, I think it's really good to hear a little more of that.
Top lane Frank's gonna get some accompanying with a couple supports. They do take out KJ actually turn into a try be try
But for all the ones losing it at the moment double kill for the enchantress and look at the supports dead
look at the contrast from this game to the previous one in the support play of
Rejects right this time. They're not going mid. They send an ice ogre there one time to give some armor to dog mago
But unfortunately he died while he was on the way there
They are not compiling all of their resources. They're not sending everything into mid to try to help him
There's like mago get your shit together, buddy. You're on your own
Yeah, and there are ways of dealing with this kind of pressure
I think if you want to get better at laning into the impossible matchups
watch
Malrin
He is the best. Yeah, just pull those waves pull waves get creative mess with equilibrium
Whatever you need to do if the lane is completely hopeless. You can't even do that
You go jungle you roam you TP bottom and kill them on level three like
You're the game isn't forcing you to stay here, right?
I mean Delacorte makes his way over with the tag team scofield taking the brunt of the damage gets a nice push
Wack though as Almeesha joining the party so Tylong is take a swashbuckle under the cover of the tower
Tylong does die, but first dark moggo goes down so no more XP for the pango
Still having a completely miserable game is all that wants to finish off. Scofield does so getting chased by the Wild Wing Ripper
When does it have?
What's a cool down on this ability again hurricane 30 seconds, so he's gonna live like oh he took the watch okay
He's not afraid no bird. All right fair enough. Okay. Okay. He's fine
So yeah again contrast to game one now. They do help the pango, but it's both supports
It wasn't just one of them rotating and I still feel like that wasn't clean like hoodwink came in
in five seconds before.
Oh my God, is this still happening?
Blood right, we'll talk about that here in just a moment.
Not enough to save KJ.
But yeah, Bloodseeker picked,
I haven't cast this hero in years.
Literally.
Stark Moga able to traverse the terrain there
to get out of the ice shards,
but just trying his best to leech some X
because eight CS versus the 22 and 10 of Tylon.
But yeah, let's talk about the Bloodseeker,
a traditional counter to Pango,
which you just can't roll.
It's insanely effective.
You need to get Lincoln's.
You need to get Lotus something.
And then haven't seen it against Kez,
but it makes sense with all the mobility
that Herald offers as well.
I think the matchup against Kez is a double-edged sword though
because if Kez enters with, say Ravensville,
just gets on top of you, he's one of the carries
that just deals so insanely much damage so fast
that the mobility aspect doesn't even necessarily
get to come into play.
And also, looking at the bigger picture here for Heroic, did you need to double-counter-pick the pango when you're already shitting on his lane?
No, Dark Moga, the TPs are coming in, he's going to pick a full Viper strike, Wits even making his way over.
We saw this in game one as well, he's going to take a snowball though, get stuck inside the shards, and that's a juicier kill.
He's worked way more than the pango right now.
So, Ty Long is going to be super happy about that exchange, Dark Moga with the shield crash.
They will be able to finish up Tiling eventually as KJ drops as well. It's just a complete massacre in the mid lane
this is
So so so important for dark moggo that this happens
He gets the he got the bounty for the kill as well, right? No, he didn't it was actually school field to kill the viper
Unfortunate for him, but he gets a lot of experience. He gets some breathing room and doubles his CS in three seconds
I mean, he's still in trouble, right? He's got boots, but he has to go back to base.
I wonder if there's a world they've stacked, actually. I was going to say that.
Stacking these camps to the bottom right of mid and just farming those with Swashbuckle and Shield Crash,
probably going to be the play. And this is where it's going to cost, right? You can't win everywhere.
So, Heroic are going to have an awesome time on Tide.
I think they're going to have a better game, just having Tide on their team than the Mars.
If you can't fuck up the itemization on Tide, nearly as much, I think.
Yes, for what it's worth, I got his line of thinking in the last game, they just didn't play well, right?
That's just it. There's a lot of things you can dissect in the game, but when it all boils down to it,
they just didn't play that well, and then every item pick is going to look bad, and maybe draft hero picks are going to look bad.
The execution needs to go with it. We didn't mention this, but this is the best off laner in the entire game against Kez.
When people were picking Kez in previous tournaments from the last months, they were banning Tide,
because specifically he was the only off laner in the extremely safe lane or favorite patch that could actually just stand in the lane and do well.
And you're seeing why here. He is winning the lane against Kez, which is very good news.
And in addition, Witt's had to rotate mid to bail out Dark Mago once again, so even more help for Whisper, plus the tower.
He's gonna get insanely far. Let's see all the core will go down here.
I also, I was gonna mention this this game is gonna be a test of which which is worse, right?
Heroic are 0 and 3 with Tusk. They're 1 and 3 with Viper, of which we've cast all their losses.
And on the other side, Brewmaster doesn't want to game this tournament,
But he's coupled with the biggest winner of all of them in gas, so what is the stronger force?
Uh, three games. Yeah, zero and five.
Oh, you could argue it's the same for Viper and Tusk for this team, but it's a one team.
Yeah, it's on one team.
Darkmaga gonna take the Viper strike.
As the children this time.
Oh, he does. Has the rolling thunder as well, Whisper.
No ravage.
He's a party.
No ravage.
Skilled.
Oh, he came in with...
I thought he was holding it.
Yeah, he has ravages with us.
Oh, good attempt.
Darkmaga will TP out.
Five hero rotation, no kill. They want to get the tower though, it looks like that's probably the case.
This is something you relatively often see on Tide in like just farming lanes.
It's that you just go 0-3-3, or excuse me, 0-3-4, 0-4-3.
Yeah, it's going to cost him a kill on Pango there, that he didn't have a point in Ravage.
Which then begs the question, does this rotation even make sense to begin with when you're going to Ravage?
It got them the tower.
It's still fine, I think.
An old classic tide hunter.
Back to the lane he goes, and he's actually going to go first item blink, so he's going to get ultra-aggressive.
It's very good for his teammates to have early blink ravage, so...
Final split, King Jungles will be going to the King fountain.
But only him.
Yeah. Talk to me about Bloodseeker though, other than the obvious.
Have you seen this hero at all?
Not much. The only player I really look for it in is Chrysalis. He's like the most likely to run it
It does feel like other than the rupture aspect yeah has
Like against melee carries is especially good. Yeah, I would agree. I
And I just the main thing that has me questioning the bloodseeker pick a little bit is that if you're taking it to counter pango
Don't you already feel like you have him cornered with your Viper mid?
Like you talked about it from the coach's perspective. We know that this pango is going mid. We know he's gonna lose
To tie-long he's gonna destroy him which happened again
So does your carry really need to counter the mid hero? Shouldn't you be looking to counter the kez more?
And it's this your best solution to kez if it is I totally get it if you think this is the best counter carry
I just kind of don't believe that
Like there's like other options that would be better for that specific matchup as that would if that was what you were looking for
I don't know if Beastmaster is in the pool.
Faceless Void definitely was, but maybe you're concerned about Void plus Tidebend being a little bit too cooldown reliant.
But yeah, I'm a little bit in the dark when it comes to countering Kez with carries.
I just don't know what is considered.
Yeah, he's just the best carry.
Yeah, I mean every hero has some sort of solution to it.
Witz, by the way, is going to finish his mage slayer, which will be quite useful in reducing
some damage.
Not the best mage slayer game, I suppose, but it's all right.
You said Witz?
Yeah.
Isn't he getting mage slayer?
Was I misreading the itemization?
Oh, maybe.
Oh, he's got it.
It's coming up.
It's a good item on Kaz, right?
It's really nice to get all the regen from it so you can spam your farming spells
more it's nice to get some tank ability it does decent damage obviously with the
since the improvement of the passive which is by the way called don't look
when you think the passive mage layer is called slayer of mages was pretty close
actually it's called mage slayer now we're having a really great day that day
zero inspiration the source comm was down at that time is it gonna take the
Vail from Witt, but he's gonna take a full rupture and it's only a matter of time before he drops
Okay, good kill for Ty long
I mean maybe the play for him is to not get 10 kills without deaths
Sprinkle in a couple so there's no comeback mechanic there. Yeah, and keep him grounded
Hey, don't want to get too cocky. Yeah young players. That's right
The fusel now there for dark moggo. I can't remember what time he got it last game, but slower than this
This is a better game for him. It's still not great.
He's still bottom net worth of the course.
Faster than average, really.
I mean, these stats, you always got to take them with a grain of salt when it
comes to what is in the build on average. Is he missing?
Like, let's say the average pango goes up of corrosion, which is not true,
but just as an example, then obviously this will be fast because he skipped over
corrosion. He also doesn't have a magic stick because he was laying against
Viper so you know this like it's always it's I think what's more interesting
comparing to the last game where it's definitely faster than previous game nice
kill on the all the core here from wits we're just in the middle of nowhere there
to be honest but all right bring some back a bit and whisper has his blink so
now the question is I actually almost has shard as well so that is especially
actually good against Pango and Kaz, and I mean, Brew can pop Primal still.
Yeah, it's not good against Brew, but it's very good against the two other cores, and
it has some merit against Hoodwink too, to be honest, just preventing her from using
Scurry through trees and just keeping her in place, it's very nice.
But primarily I would imagine targeting the Kaz with this.
Once again, I wouldn't want to see them target their entire strategy around Dark Mago, I think
he's already countered enough.
Find ways to deal with Kez, your itemization should counter Kez, and the shard for me
takes that box quite well, so it's all good.
And Witt's trying to get some form in the bot lane, he's going to get some action.
Only two members of Heroic here, they're going to use the Viper Strike.
Veil is activated, put the sentry down for the vision, gets off the grappling claw, now whisper joins the party and that should be the death of the bird.
Nice pick off for Heroic as they have now a 3k lead.
Got a question a little bit how...
...Reejik, so she was into, spent their resources here, just both supports huddled together in their own triangle.
If Witz is going to farm down here on Kez, I feel like you need a buffer hero there.
Like, either Ench can tank the gank for you, or you can put Hoodwink there to offer some sort of protection.
Putting both supports together in the triangle, I think, is a little bit nonsensical. Like, who are you even protecting there?
Yeah.
If you want to win this game, you need Kez to thrive, so either he should play safer areas to farm, or you need to be there for him.
And that's what they're going to do now. So, Witt's returns to bottom, but this time, Hoodwink in his back.
Oh, can I miss the sharpshooter though?
Yeah, and there's some power here.
And he's out.
Yeah, we'll pop the veil to get away, it seems.
Yeah.
Rook will not lose anything this time. They have done the water ready to go and they know there's no Ravens Vail
So here whisper okay, they use it right off the bat still have the ravage as well
If needed this is a big kill again back-to-back onto wits. They're gonna lose a support, but who cares
You kill the carry twice in a row well worth it. That is gonna be
Wits hurting now
One and four I didn't really said four deaths. Yeah, he's been targeted quite hard
It's just it's just solid play from her or a great recognizing. This is the threat of the game
This is what we need to shut down deal with pango in the first three minutes. He's he's screwed
redirect your resources on to the bigger picture and
I like that they're not trying to brute force kills on brewmaster
I think it's just a very good pick this game. You're likely going to waste your time. Just let him have a game. It's okay
The hero is not going to carry if Kaz has nothing
In contrast to last game where Frank could actually really take over and lead his team to victory on X
Brewmaster can't do the same thing because you have a lot of utility
You have a lot of control and fights you have decent damage, but you're not going to be the one jumping and killing a core
As easily so are they gonna try for it again? I mean they still have ravage. Why not? You see him
They do not they did see him on the ward just briefly
This ward from Heroic is really nice by the way, the one in the water.
Outside of general range of sentries that will be placed to cover your own ops.
So they're drawing a line, so they actually do want to go for this again.
Last tide is running away from the line.
Let me sure we'll be killed off by Yuma, rather inconsequential kill here.
Yes, let's talk about you a little bit. Has the Mjolnir now and
I'll have to hold that thought.
This is very scared.
Yeah, he I mean, he should be it's going to be the BKB next.
Oh, wait a second. He's going to run it.
OK, this is really awkward.
He was trying to get a lotus.
He can't tip you out.
Even the bloodseeker on his way.
You pretty good.
Juke, though, they're pinging.
He must be here.
Process of elimination.
One ride not going to hit.
Oh, my God.
I actually just got it.
Stukes?
That bird can really squawk.
Sure can.
Little Woody Woodpecker.
Same voice actor, too.
Dead in the water onto the pangolier.
Margot blinks out to safety.
Defusal is very good this game, by the way.
The monoburn against Tide, against Bloodseeker,
against Viper, all three of these heroes.
In particular, Tide and Bloodseeker.
All right.
Last time this happened, Axe got a game-winning call, we can call it.
This is very different from the previous one.
But this time, Tylong, well, number one, there's no Axe.
And Tylong's alive this time when attempting the Roche.
This is a fight that the Radiant would love to take with Bruce Blit, but they are not in position.
So nicely, you know, set up a heroic gear, good ward placements, boxing them out with a tide.
This is way more textbook and stable.
Now they have good vision on this war. Do they want to try anything on El Misho? I'm assuming yes.
Just going to spell steal and leave. Okay, we'll get the Enchant.
Very good. Looking for more. Take off shield crash with it.
Anything dispellable on Kez? 20 abilities that he has? Yes, you can dispel some of them.
I'm just gonna say save things because it's this kind of break still it does
okay just check I went back to the green room and I looked at the items change
log and I was trying to figure out what made me think it and I still don't know
why the old age the best the best thing I came up with was I was thinking
okay well probably some other way of breaking a change with the last time
Silver edge got changed and what it did was when it lost its grip
It was like years ago
I don't know man sometimes
Okay, Cinder, sometimes she just
You're just getting old just accept it accept fate
As the tormentor will be attempted now from heroic
So have yet to see a ravage. Yeah, there's no contesting here from the radiance
So just be nice and free and who is the shark gonna go to I think they're hoping to get it for free on the rubic
I would imagine, unless he just bought it, he did not.
Let's see here.
It's either him or Tusk.
It'll be the Tusk, so Drinking Buddy.
Unlucky.
Well, it's still good.
It is.
But the Rivig one's probably better.
It is nice, though, with Drinking Buddies
to give you a teammate armor and move speed.
That's very nice against Caz.
No bush wax knocking ahead.
Can you get Rolling Thunder with the roll up
to try to counteract some any?
Very nicely done, actually.
We get Tylong coming in with a Viper Strike now. He is already pretty low.
Has the Aegis, of course. It doesn't mind dying here, Darth Manga with the Swashbuckle.
Punch up in the air. Faroq's just trying to get out into their base.
Tylong doing his best not to feed away the Aegis, but he will.
Are they gonna stick around here with Split? No.
Okay.
Just a little bit of a...
What's becoming a traditional, unfortunately at this point, mid-game slight blunder from
heroic.
Just, you know, they're in a good position, they have Aegis, Bloodseeker gets jumped
and they're coming to his aid and it just gets even worse than if he just died himself.
And that's also, we haven't talked about this that much, but this is why I personally
don't like Tylong and Viper is not because I don't think he's good enough at the
hero.
I don't think the hero is playable. It's not because I think it's bad against this team.
It's because the way Heroic end up playing as a team, when they have to play reactionary,
Tylong can't make big plays like this. And I think a lot of the games that they win
is because when enemies make moves like this onto Yuma or whatever,
Tylong comes in and has a massive high-impact play on any sort of spirit,
or puck, or pango, whatever you name it. This hero doesn't work that way.
So either the team needs to get better at playing around Viper, or he himself needs to lead more, to get things the way he wants.
And sometimes that can be the thing, like we always talk about with inexperienced players is,
are you going to have the confidence and are you going to have the knowledge to, with these way more experienced players, tell them to play the way you want.
Like you... It's just so different from every other hero he plays, right?
So whisper
Take the initiation feel if I'm looking for the same you will get the snowball
He's gonna back into the number of good blinkers the blink for whisper now the rupture onto the penguin
He's just gonna TP out so we'll be fine
And now the primal split
recipient of the stun blood right is there to try to give him some cover and he's stuck inside the creeps
And he's just gonna get bursted down by el me show
And you pick this viper we talked about how it's good against pango
He dumpstered the hero hangle is second in net worth now. Yeah, and viper is almost at the bottom
I mean mission failed mission failed again
And you can understand from tylenx perfect after game one why he's like we messed up
I want to play it again
Did you guys see what I just did and they were tipping him there were laughing they were cheering
He was completely obliterating the game
This game state is worse now than the one in the last game was in the last game
They were still up by a good amount here and Thailand was still very very strong this time. He's fifth in that worth
I don't really think the Viper matchups are good anymore. I don't think you're good against Pango anymore
He has so much physical damage, so you don't get a lot of value out of corrosive
And chance-race I think it's going to be a thorn in your side the entire game
We didn't talk about it. Let me show that much in the mid late game last game
But he was he was punching this like it was just killing him every fight and
And what's going to stop Ench from just freely hitting here?
You can't just rupture her.
You need to reserve it for the pango and you can't just burst her because you don't have burst.
Get a conda.
That's right.
Well, you already have Viper.
Maybe we don't want to Viper strike.
Tidehunter conda.
Imagine the gush conda.
Yeah, dirty.
That's the stuff.
Into Dagon.
Ah, yes.
All the burst.
Dagon feels like a dead eye, but I don't like those changes.
Really outing yourself as a turbo player with this build suggestion, I have to say.
Eedly, of course.
Nice play from Schofield, he's out.
Beautiful play there with the sharpshooter getting himself on that little cliff.
And this is where I feel like it's getting scarier for heroic is this hero,
despite all the deaths on Kaz, 2-4, top net worth in the game,
And I think unquestionably, the hardest carry in this particular game,
and it's not close. I don't think Bloodseeker really scales that well.
Again, I haven't seen it here in a long time, and he offers some good counters to the lineup,
but in terms of just fighting...
Bloodseeker has one additional glare in this game that we haven't talked about yet.
I think Bloodseeker lineups are at their best when your teammates have burst,
because then you activate thirst early in fights,
and you get to take over, and you get to run through the entire team and just cleave them down.
them down. You don't get heroes low fast here. Tide has mediocre damage, Viper needs time to
deal damage over time, and your support's burst is like, it's okay, but it's not like wild.
Like you have some sort of lion going in with EarthSpike Finger of Death, and enemy hero's
like 40% and Bloodseeker comes in, boom. So Yuma, I think, can't play these like
easy clean up Bloodseeker fights, and then I just think the hero's way worse. At
This point to me is just not even really a good pick until I see it.
I want to see that fight where I'm like, okay, this is why it ruins Kes, and hasn't happened yet.
And we haven't really had a real fight where he's just attacking anybody.
That's true.
He's just been farming away, but again,
at the same pace as Kes, despite Kes having way more deaths, I mean,
Bloodseeker, Mr. Yuma, one and one,
had a lot more time to farm it's still basically the same net worth at this point
yeah this this again this often happens in bloodseeker games specifically because
of the way the structures are lined up so but you can see the positives you can
it's like it it's the classic glass half full or half empty kind of thing
because there's also major upsides to the hero like you're good against pango
obviously you had a good laning stage it's a brewmaster well you didn't
you didn't know your matchup to be fair but it went fine so
This game has been alright, but I haven't seen a big payout.
Now this is an early hex on Tide.
So this unlocks some new plays, a whisper.
I'll be spotted. That could be a huge ravage. Not going to use it outright.
Finally will. Focusing on Dark Mawgur they get him.
And now you may in the cover of his BKB taking out the panda broolings.
One of them drops to the deck. The fire one looks to be next.
The sharpshooter does miss.
on the low target on the tusk but heroic they get what they came for
you get a pango kill it cost them ravage and the bloodseeker bkb charge
uh... and it was their hex reveal
it's fine
but i
think heroic were hoping for more than that
to be honest this was such a big timing
there's a kind of a late rabbit he blinked in
didn't initially ravage would have hit three people
i think it seems to be
He blink hext and then they want the fight to develop so he can hit a fat
ravage but they just didn't fall for it. They let Pango die and got out. The
burst blade was used though which is nice for the side of heroic that's going to
align with ravage more or less coming off cooldown simultaneously. Yeah and one
good news for Yuma is he's 700 from ag so that's gonna be the double rupture.
Yeah we'll see how effective that is it could have big impact. And it gives
some initial damage too which doesn't sound like much it's 13% pure but in a
game where you're starving for some initial damage to build up your thirst
this can help get the heroes into kill range earlier
okay so those from 10% to 13 or does it go from yes it's just 3% more wow
This is so trivial.
Oh, Tyla.
It's not on top of the other one.
He's spotted, has the pop of BKB in retreat, gets the Viper Strike off,
as Frank does not have Primal Split.
Tyla's just trying to run away, and he will.
Drinking buddies to keep Pio Lacorre alive.
He's getting kited now.
Taking an Echo Slash, as there is the Bloodseeker at.
You're right.
What a trivial amount.
I mean, I don't know why he even changes.
I mean, I feel like double rupture's enough, but...
It goes from 10 to 13.
It's not like it gets 13 more.
It's just 10 to 13.
I mean, 23%.
Is this max HP or current?
I think it's max, no?
I mean, 23%.
No, it's current.
It's current 13 up from 10.
Man, that is, you're right.
It might as well not do it almost
and then do something slightly better of another time.
Okay, all right.
Well, 3%.
It all adds up, but not by as much as I thought it would.
No, no.
I mean, 23 maybe, you're right, that would be a bit too crazy.
Skullfield's gonna tank into the smoke, gets hexed.
And the Primal Split goes off, so they wanna fight it seems, despite not having the hood ring.
Does have the Vibeck, they really want it.
They're climbing connections though, onto the Bloodscape, club to BKB.
There's the Ravage onto several heroes, which gets a nice Echo Slash though,
as the Tusk and the Puppet go-separate stay alive.
Kez is really low, gets a Lotus it looks like, to get to a decent amount of HP.
As Tusk completely isolated, the Snowball will delay, but will not survive the onslaught here.
I... Okay, a little more delayed than I thought.
Yeah.
So, I won for one with a buyback coming out from scope.
And they really have to disengage there. They used both ruptures, so...
I mean, they want to fight now on the right-hand side.
Right onto the brewmaster. He's going to get cleaned up. No primal split to work with.
That was pretty bold. I guess they made the wreath that Wits was for.
They jumped in Dark Mago, getting it really deep.
Does not have rolling thunder here. Wits goes in extremely deep.
He keeps his luck, gets out of the Raptor Dance, tie-lung dead.
Get the bash now onto the Rubik, grappling claw as well,
as he gets tied to a tree.
Every mechanic in the book tries to stay alive,
his kez is now getting pretty low.
Gonna get the four staff,
he will survive the onslaught here,
they get the bash, onto Yuma,
grappling claw to the Hydra,
and the ogres are not gonna kill him off,
and Yuma dies instead.
Heroic, just bad luck there.
So close to getting the kez, but no cigar.
Alright, let's unpack what just happened.
You used Ravage and both ruptures, so you had none of your big spells left.
And in trade-off, they used Pango Roll and Brew Split.
But given the circumstances, first of all, they just went for the Brew Kill, 100 to 0,
which I thought was a bold move, but it actually worked since Kez wasn't nearby.
But you just got to see the strength of what...
Like, how much it matters that this Kez is uncounter at this point.
He enters the fight on half HP, right?
He doesn't even have his entire kit, but Pango gets to play,
because there's no ruptures and they know this.
And the Kaz feels completely safe because there's no stunts.
So he can just go in, use this, kill the first hero.
And I just, I have to question that heroic
where so eager to fight,
I think they have to recognize just how much it matters
that they don't have ruptures.
And in fairness, this was pretty damn close.
Really nice pair.
Witz is also insanely good on this hero, by the way.
We didn't talk about that.
I think he's his best hero in all though.
Okay, the fight, primal split.
Not available, actually is available.
They'll get the Rubik.
Nice little pick-off there.
Grappling Clive, this is with the Aegis now onto the Kez, by the way.
Gonna have to use the Veil to get away, but that is a trade for the BKB on Tilem.
Another counter initiation.
The Ravage comes out, going for the Brew, they get it before the Primal Swift comes out
and now a rupture onto El Misho.
Okay.
So apparently it was on a 4x kill streak.
Yeah, they get something back the other way now, Heroic do.
That cost them the Ravage, but they don't have Aegis.
That has already gone the way of the rejects, and Tormentor is also up if they fancy that.
Kez obviously kills that super fast,
because Kez just has to kill everything super fast as it turns out.
Still a worthwhile trade for the Radiant if they get to realize the value of the Aegis now.
That's the...
That's the challenge? Oh, he just gets caught like this though.
Yeah, that's the Hax.
Mudraith's coming as well.
Ooh, and he wasted his ult on Life 1, so now he doesn't have it.
Could be killing again.
Gonna try for the Swatchbook, gonna give it some space, Raptor Dance.
And I'm not gonna go for it, it's the Echo Slash, doing so much damage!
And now the shield crash to follow, Yuma on the run.
Can you outrun the chicken? Can he still the chicken?
They will, but at the cost of the Bloodseeker.
Dark Lago finishes the job on the Yolo Core,
as a TP attempt with the Rolling Thunder will put that to an end.
It is stolen.
Maybe for a later fight, as Whisper is gonna fall.
Big fat watermelon. It gets split open.
That's probably worth an ages, I would say. Three for one.
And you get ages and a death. You get a minute of
uncontested farm. So, and on top of all that,
look at Dark Moggo's net worth. Top of the game.
Yeah, who would have thought that he got dumpster in land? He gets to buy Lincoln's now.
So, this is when things get tricky.
And I love the first kill, I think get out, right?
It's very understandable that you get tempted to stay, but you have to recognize you used everything there.
You have no punch, no hex, no ravage, so you can't kill Wits outright.
It's fortunate for them, honestly, here that they get to kill him in the end.
This was very close, but at the very least they do get that one on their way out the door.
He did not have BKB at that point, so now Wits with BKB, good luck.
Yeah.
I wonder if he's going to buy a Lincoln's too on pango and why not excuse me on on
Kez on Kez yeah why not this is a hero that really thrives off of buying
multiple damage items and maybe having BKB and Lincoln's is too defensive but
it has enough damage regardless like especially yes the serrated shiv as
well which is the dream neutral for this hero to find serrated shiv with
attack speed I don't think it gets much better than that yeah time for
Tormin maybe looks like it got a medallion and kes with a lot of minus armor from the deso
It'll take down that tour me. No problem. Who's gonna get the shard it is
Frank
Uninspiring shard
Gets ruptured
All right
Be more embarrassing if you died in fountain while rolling. Yeah
Yeah, remember to press your buttons kids, and you get out still not over yet
Yeah, that was the link in trivial. They did successfully break it and go through but not quite enough and
As a result unsurprisingly, you know, my is going to buy a pistol blade
so now
Ironically the hero that we talked about does it really need more countering now it does
the
Pango is actually so strong that
you have to find additional solutions even though you have blood seeker and you
smashed him in lane. Crazy. Normally we don't see a comeback like this from a
pango I feel like I don't know it feels like the laning stage matters a lot but
able to bounce back big time here. Yep.
As Tylong not stuck with a random ultimate orbit his inventory this time
as Demantem and going for AC again this time against all the physical damage of the pango
and kez yeah you just have to there's no better item here you have to go you have to buy a
massively defensive item I suppose Shiva's could be a consideration but I think AC's
just better overall but you needed one of the two I just I don't think my first match
That's up to it anymore. That's my biggest concern.
I also respectfully disagree with this.
I don't think this is a 55-45 game for me.
What is it, 70-30?
Yeah, probably something like that. In my eyes, I just...
I have seen enough Kes games now to know.
It just seems to... It just always happens, man.
I don't know, this win expectancy might be based off of pub games,
or we still don't fully know how the...
We never will.
...how the prediction works, but if it... whatever sample it uses,
I feel like Kez wins this game way more than half the time.
We'll see if they get some p-rupture, if they get the hex opening.
The good news for the Dire is that there's no save on Rejects for now, they're going
to have to itemize that for the Kez, so if you do find that blink hex into Ravage, you're
probably killing him.
Oh, here comes the Q.
Oh yeah, okay.
I think it was expiring.
He just did it for fun.
Yeah, but you think you want to stay in a little bit longer. It's fun. It's a morale play
I don't know if it expires when you lose it if you're mid-roll. Oh, why would it because you lose the spell cares
There's no way that
No way you're saying exorcism just disappears
You steal it. I mean we don't have to put every spell in the same box because this is Dota and not all spells are created equal
I think he stopped it himself too. I'm just saying
Wouldn't it be the most rubic thing ever if there was literally one spell that just stopped randomly when you lose the ability and every other spell continues?
I wouldn't be surprised.
Maybe there is a spell. It's not that one.
How many dev hours?
Was it worth it in the end?
Relatively speaking, how many dev hours do you think Morphling and Rubik have compared to every other hero combined?
80%?
80% of all programming time is those two heroes.
Yeah, I think so.
Really? That's no way to...
Okay, maybe it's a slight...
80% of all hours on two heroes.
Maybe 70%.
I will say that I think Rubik and Morph individually have probably taken more dev hours than any five heroes combined.
I'll tell you this, other than the modeling, actually coding abilities very fast, very easy.
easy. But yeah, Rubik, Morphling, that it's something else, man. Okay, in conjunction
with Lincoln's, Lincoln's and Lotus are also very, very difficult to get right. Same kind
of idea. Very quiet game now. Nobody really looking
for action. Pango is about to get 25, that is obviously a huge talent choice for him
to get. He should be the fastest 25 by landslide here, which is the case. The
The second highest level here on the game is Bloodseeker at 22.
That's going to be an inherent advantage for the side of rejects coming up.
And he's going for OctoRing Core on Dark Mago here.
We saw, was it him buying refresher yesterday on the pango?
Yeah.
Today.
Oh, was that last game?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I think that was worth considering here too.
I understand you're against rupture, but in every situation where you're not ruptured,
it's really nice to do a second one.
could have also maybe yeah I don't know what else you would consider upgrading
your blink is probably too early here they're about that yeah they're gonna
get some major power specs here octarene soon for the brewmaster along with that
20 talent which lowers the cool in a primal split so yeah I have uptime a
lot of time on that primal split data less refresher not as I was gonna say
if it was octarene I would have liked refresher more so I'm happy about that
on Frank. And yeah the Dark Mago, I don't know how much he wants to hold on to buy back but
could get the Octi-Tai long. The pressure, he's hasted though. What's this, maybe thinking
about it? Okay there's the smoke. This is a pretty good move to make, you know you're
entering the fight into a two-thirds HP Viper after that break connected from the
Good link
Still timid about it heroic and good defensive formation tide has refresher as well
So refresher tide and AC Viper versus the refresher brew as the new big reveal on that side
Kez could buy a Daedalus but won't have buyback and he's opting to save for that
As he makes his way up top to push the wave and this should be the end of it
Now there's not gonna be a fight because they're definitely not fighting without wits there
Yeah, he's trying to get quick buy plus Daedalus, now he has it, so...
Or at buyback. No, he doesn't wait.
Oh, I think he might have misread his, uh...
His buyback math. He needs 400.
I'll kill two heroes, he'll be fine.
Or one. I mean, just press two buttons and guess something's gonna die, right?
That's how the hero works.
Yep.
I feel like we always downplay the skill it takes to play this hero well.
well it's an extremely high-skill expression heroes just less obvious to
viewers compared to something like Invoker. It's because we don't like the hero.
We're not biased against teams or biased against heroes. Our heroes both of us
don't like seeing succeed and don't like to see played you hate terror played in
Lion. I am not the biggest fan of KB.
KJ. Oh, Frank dropped the BKB.
That's the reaction. That's the end of this. Just get the hell out.
They're sticking around. Maybe a, uh, false...
flank here. False, uh...
I can't even think of the word anymore.
False.
They're gonna jump in. KJ, gonna be the recipient of this rolling thunder.
He's dead to rise. Rupture onto the panga will TP out.
So now what? Primal splits already been used. Are you actually fighting here?
Whisper jumps in, gets the ravage, AWP is gonna connect onto 2, they take out the hoodwink,
as Wit's on the cover of Dorcas will be able to get out for now as El Misho isolated,
killed off, double kill for Yuma. That's a nice fall away for Kes.
Alright, good fight from Heroic. It's gonna cost him King Jungle's buyback, but I think that's
decent, especially if you get this additional kill, potential roach. Oh, pops a refresher,
can't get the Primal Split off, he can get some space though, and he will be able to
use it if he wants to start Mago. He's just getting hounded by Ty Long! My goodness! That
is a fast attacking Viper right there!
Yep. Together with Bloodseeker, this is really good news for our Roic. Time to get that
Roshan.
Frank, you're good on health. You should probably just rush straight into the pit here.
And I can't help but wonder is Kez actually going to try this.
Well, Kez has some pretty cool Roche Pit interactions, obviously.
You can grapple to the trees across, you can Echo Slash into the pit without going in.
But yeah, this is the key part of the fight that we're looking for every time is Dark
Vago getting ruptured.
If yes, and he TP's out, you have a 4v4 essentially, but Ruvik buys back into 5v4
Hero started dropping low, so Yuma actually gets to do his thing.
I will say, Lincoln's used to be way better on Pango when BKB worked the old way.
Yes.
Now that it's debuffing you, you can cast literally anything.
It won't have an effect, but it will pick off the Lincoln's.
Get back into live, crank, pop in the BKB again.
I don't believe he used it in actual fighting.
He's buying some decent time here.
HP, Push Black's not gonna hit.
Kez available to go, 20 seconds for Dark Mago, there's the Veil.
Oh, she's getting extremely low, looks like it will go to Heroic as the Impenis doing a lot of damage to Whistler, Meanwhile, Tylong Company.
Trying to focus onto Whitz, he's ruptured, he's gonna go down with the Raptor Death, trying to keep him alive, but Impenis is still doing massive damage.
Finally, Raptor Death comes down and Whitz is now gonna get ravaged, and that is a dead chicken man.
A little bit too much.
for the rejects to handle as heroic get all the goodies on
right they still have a second banner apparently yeah
down ages for four and a half on the tie long is this is one of
the most awkward positions to be in as a core was what pango
was in there he sees this fight unfold he has 10 seconds
remaining on his respawn and he feels like he buys back it's
just such a waste to TP in too late to the fight so I think
As rejects, you have to make a clean call there.
Either you fight with the buyback of Pango, if you see some sort of angle.
Or you just have to give it up. I think this was the worst case scenario.
A flat 4v5 against everything you went in. It didn't work.
This is really big for Heroic. Not only do they get the Roche, they have the time to
Siege mid, Tylong going to work.
Seeing the replay here...
Just not enough in the tank, right?
Ruhmaster doesn't even have split here.
Ench doing some good damage, but...
Yeah.
Even, I think that was a Lotus passed over from Skullfield onto Wittz,
but the cheese, huge on Tylong.
Otherwise, he loses Aegis, which, you know...
They would have won the fight regardless.
But now he even retains that.
Yeah, so Heroic now in the driver's seat.
Not a back and forth this series.
These games are impossible to predict.
We have the same one panel too.
I like the picture he painted of it.
It's Tai Lung versus his inner demons.
And it looked like the demons were going to win.
Speaking of demons, Bloodseeker.
I'm going to get the rupture on the Skowfield.
I'm going to get to the other side.
We're only thunder from Dark Moga.
Look at the impetus and the damage coming out from Wits.
They finally take out Yuma and now whisper on the run.
But not for long.
and you get the rubik as well as the thai, it's a heroic, punished pretty damn hard here, they do retain aegis still because thailand was not anywhere to be seen
what's the structure here from heroic? you just took the mid lane of barracks, you have pretty good waves and you just spread incredibly thin with aegis
Viper is far away from anybody else and you kind of just yolo in on this
hoodwink the first hero to show up. There's five enemy heroes missing. That's
honestly I know you're up a lane of barracks I feel like you're just back
to being behind again because now you're not even gonna realize the value of
your ages either. Two minutes on that your heroes respond in a minute.
Rejects can choose not to fight and then it just expires or they can try to
press the issue here and maybe even get a lane. That felt very very
unnecessary like a bit safe here I mean if they knew that there was no buybacks on
the bloodseeker yeah and Rubik they would go for this and the thing is I
don't really mind that much regardless it's just you the map plays also super
valuable if you want to push here okay I was almost dead yeah it's this tower is
one for sure. I'm gonna force out the glyph to...
Alright.
Anti-Olecore.
Got these the drinking buddies to get away.
Dark Mago creating some good space here.
Tylong trying to defend, but the barracks are melting.
10 seconds for the Bloodseeker.
Dark Mago stuck inside the shards.
Always funny to see as Frank will pop the BKB in retreat
so the barracks will not go down here.
On the Dark Mago...
Bop in the refresher to get out of the Vistul!
All the Vistul!
Get the Vistul proc!
Hello!
Dark Mago dead.
That was nice.
He tried to... I like how Dark Mago tried to play that to the limit.
This is what he does as a player.
He got the math wrong with the respawn timer on Bloodseeker.
Stayed too long.
But what he was trying to do there was very good.
He was trying to box out enemy heroes from interacting with the push on the racks.
They do get the set,
But it's gonna cost him his life, which probably could have accomplished the same thing, but just with better timing.
Nice kick into X!
Oh yeah, thank god. They have so much damage, so much lockdown.
Kez now dead, so two big cores down for Reject.
They both have buyback. 30 seconds on the Aegis, so they aren't getting some value.
Yeah, this has a, oh, a carrier kill. That looks like an AC.
Yeah, that was Frank's AC, dude.
They're gonna try to go for a throw, they're gonna force these buybacks.
I love this play from Harov.
They have the shard on the Tylong out of mana now though, but his Aegis is expiring in 10
seconds.
One tier 4 down.
They have Glyph, no?
Surely you buy back here.
Tylong getting some mana back and this is going to be another tier 4 down to put the
Roshis banner as well.
Be sure with the DKB to force them out, there's buyback number 1 to 10.
That's going to force everyone out for Harov at least for now.
Try to blink out.
There's the primal split.
Whisper in place. Looks like he's going to be the one to die for Hurok if he's actually going to
refocus now at the time with the BKB. There's the very late buyback from the Dark Mago.
As Almeiso just fighting up against Yuma, losing that battle. That's a lot of HP back
into Bloodseeker's pocket. He's going to use the refresher as he's going to use
the rupture now onto Wits who pops the BKB and can only just stand still now. Using the
Raptor Dance to get some HP back, he's outnumbered right now. He has to use the Raptor
to go on the Whisper. There's another Raptor coming out with the guard since there'll be a
be a dieback for the Kez, if they're able to take another lot of damage from the US, they get the kill out to Kez.
As Yuma will eventually die to this El Misho enchantress who's just been right-clicking,
two her hearts can temp and now double buyback for Heroic as Whisper on the high ground,
the Swashbuckles not going to finish the job, Dark Mago now in a lot of trouble.
Gets wall response in the air, snowball to save, it was nice to be reflected it looks like.
Links out to safety, gets hacked and that's going to be a dieback for Dark Mago as well.
And surely that is enough for Heroic to force a game three.
Viper's gonna win again!
Yeah, Tylong showing this game through and through.
Why they're right here for survival here.
Oh my god, this is...
All right, let's see that.
Last niche effort. Only one core alive, not for long.
Brewmaster dies by his back, Tylong.
Can just focus on the ancient now.
That's the last buyback expended, the kickback.
This Enchantress getting bounced left, right and center, double kill for Yuma as GGs will
come out and Game 3 on the way.
That was entertaining.
These five, these games are just a bloodbath, right?
It's so chaotic.
I think I would love to see either team really clean it up for Game 3.
Also whoever wins this going further in the tournament, I think you have to have
few blunders it's super entertaining to watch but I think neither team really
playing to the limits of their ability so hopefully in game number three we get
to see some serious level up but that was hella entertaining super
unpredictable I don't even know where to start but I don't know.
And Viper wins, Richard. Viper wins.
No we all lose, Shannon, is how that works. No let's be let's be real yes
okay Viper does win you are technically correct they did not win
because of the Viper and they did not win because of Tylung. This was a couple of monster performances
here. Great pick on the Bloodseeker despite it having not been picked previously and of course
the Tide pretty much did all the heavy lifting that enabled Tylung not to die as much. Yeah,
Tide the much better pick than Mars, the better hero for Whister overall. Tylung, he cleaned up
his game. Yeah, the roof that he did wrong. There were fewer deaths in the mid game. Yes,
for sure he realized the mistakes and this game he did not have those moments. He did not go away
from the team. He did not keep dying alone. He just went and played the heroine game. The one we
saw the four guys do the last game. Basically, Tylong just joined us. Probably looks like they
had a serious discussion about it. Yeah, it does. Like this is the heroic that we all
know and love where like the way Whisper was playing the fight was so beautiful
and this is why for a long time he was considered top three offlanders in the
world even when SA wasn't on the map nobody cared about this region they
weren't good and still Whisper was the guy you know you see him running in
first bodying making space for his team taking a lot of damage going down
to 20% 8 20% HP getting out of the fight and then
Re-initiating with a huge ravage in like every fight. He's like using his HP as a resource using his body
Which he has to and then doing the very difficult thing of getting out surviving and then still ravaging afterwards and hitting a big
Ravage on important heroes. See I totally agree monster performances from a lot of people on heroic
They completely cleaned it up
South American rejects by no means was this a bad game from them either like it was scrappy
It was a bloodbath. It was true SA Dota, but that's peak like that's that's what we want to see for a series like this
I
Think the bloods you're coming out to Yuma outperformed
Himself in this game
This year looked really good against the pangol every single fight. Yeah, we aren't in question about whether it was the ultra
Counter or not yet still is
For sure they made they made a star have such a difficult game
They could not teamfight basically because Barth Mago is the one supposed to go in first
They obviously have the brew but you kind of want the pango to roll in and do a lot of like damage and control
They just couldn't do it. Yuma played very well a great pick for the first time in this tournament as well
It's funny because brew and tide hunter are two offlaners that were very popular at the start of 7.41
and then both kind of fell off a little bit and
And I wasn't sure with either of them like which one is still good
It seems like tide is still really good like top three off laners probably
Right now and this game is just another one of those games that proves it this guy was he was so beefy
He was participating in like every single kill. I love the hex pickup
Like the sheep stick was really good. It's super necessary. It meant that they could
set up for kills without having to blow everything, or maybe if it was on a very important core, he'd get hexed
into Chainstone with the Ravage, which we saw plenty of times.
Like, Nellling was Whisper carrying when it came to the teamfights.
The guy was also carrying when it came to pick offs as well. Like, just full on my shoulders, boys.
Like, I got this. I'm Whisper. I'm, you know, top off laner. I got this.
Yeah, really good.
Going back to the Viper, the first team, I mentioned before, he did not lose because
Because the Viper itself, the hero, is Tai Lung how he played on the Viper.
He changed his gameplay up.
I don't know if they want to do it again.
I feel like he still could play other heroes and have a lot more impact.
To me, this Viper, this game, sure he didn't feed alone, but it still doesn't seem like
Tai Lung has the impact he could bring into the game.
But I'm also going to say, you know, Andrew said when Tai Lung's ahead like that,
you know, and on the Viper and therefore immobile and vulnerable.
else around him it is the VIP mod it is get down mr. president right and they
played that way whisper did so much work he did in keeping the cares off him or
hitting the cares with a damage reduction or you know putting the dead weight
on somebody so they couldn't close the viper down you can't play around you
know it's not feasible to everyone else on the team has to change their game
suit one of them and I like what calf said in the interview to by the way
the fact that it's good against all of dark mega's hero pool we were
theory-crafting this at the start. We weren't sure if that's exactly why they were prioritizing
it so highly, despite the Viper performances in the last few days that kind of got the criticism.
So it was really nice to hear that confirmed. But if you're going to do that, you need to have
the team playing around it. You need to have the team in that comfort zone, and it didn't
look like they were until this game. So it's very cool to see them have the talk and then
make that transition and hopefully go into game three with a little more confidence. We
We see something really competitive.
We've really seen the good, bad and the ugly of the Viper drafts, but this was the very good.
This is Whisper, and his game, this was him at 27 minutes.
Like, look at the item.
First big item.
So fast.
Hex.
Like 27 minutes.
The blink dagger into Hex timing is, there's very few games that you're going to go for
this, but in the games where it works, it results in some pretty crazy stuff.
able to just blink in here and hacks the pango so he can't get anything off good
lord what a rough game dark mago had and he had a rough game one as well and
they had to come back of course but you know feeding his brains out and in this
game it was like he had a good early game but then whisper was like no no no
you still don't get to play Dota and if whisper wasn't there then you most
like no no no you don't get to play Dota you're ruptured and then we can
look at this team fight you've picked up first we have yeah they played this
so good on Heroic but I want to highlight this rupture. Toppango rolls into the fight,
he gets instantly ruptured and immediately has to TP out. This shows the flow in the draft
and just such a great last pick from Heroic and the kiss here makes a huge mistake that
he's gonna get punished for. He basically took all this damage, he didn't use one Eco
Slash in this entire fight and then he ran himself away from full HP and lost 70%
HP to a rupture and then he had to BKB TP out. It's a crucial mistake that has led to them losing at the Roshan fight a
Minute later and him not having a BKB. So this bloodseeker pick for me is yeah
It's the deal breaker. I feel like they were in such a dangerous position heroic
We could have lost this game. They were very close to losing this game one teamfight away, and they would have probably lost at least two raxes
This busier made a difference. All right. Well, thanks a lot gentlemen
So thanks to the careless whisperer or grabble to go outside take a break and have faith that they can win the series
We'll see if they do after the break
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Hey everybody, we are asking the experts.
We have Lizard here, an expert, Unk, to ask who are the top 5 Unks in Dota, still good
to old players?
Actually an Ankh in a couple of months as well.
A real life Ankh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But when it comes to Ankh players, I just have to think to my old days when I played
and to see who I played against.
And who's still around?
I played with Netta.
He's still around.
He's fit.
You're putting him last.
I'm putting him, yeah, sure.
I'm putting him last because he's the first one that I could think of.
Okay, that's good.
Sorry.
Netta is.
And he has a teammate?
No, he doesn't have a teammate, but he played with Snake King, I believe, is he?
Oh, okay.
I believe so.
He's also an Ankh.
With old age, you would lose your memory.
So Snake King will be on the court?
Exactly.
The old secret isn't really working out well.
Snake King is there as well.
Okay.
For third, we're going with, can I do a coach?
Please.
Puppy.
That's boomer status.
That's past Ankh, my friend, but yes, we'll put boomer status for great.
Grandpa.
doing an interview genuine ancient popin is there okay I'm gonna you know what
like I've been doing the West let's do the East a little bit we're going to do
go with Bach Bach that's a very good one he's still playing they're still
kicking in there you know diapers are on they're playing Dota very good
choice who's your number one old player but is the best still currently still
the last one will be fly like he's still fly the best player he's still
playing, certified on status, maybe real life honk as well. I'm not really sure but
that's my top five. I know you put them as number one because he's the only
person that is buffed. Right, your muscle mass. Exactly. I value people by their muscle mass.
That's fantastic. All right protein shakers, well I hope you guys enjoyed that one.
We'll see you next time.
Well, it's been the opposite here, Slacks.
We're not talking about Unks, we've been talking about the young prodigy of Ty Lung.
We go into another draft for Heroic, and by the way, you can see here, over on the side
of SA Rejects, they're all having a long conversation about what they're going to
do, very heated.
But yes, over in the case of heroic as we head into this draft the question becomes do they do it again?
Yeah, I'm gonna pick the vipers again. Yes, they will I on ironically think South America rejects might ban it
Because they will it is what you did say in the interview
That's how it usually went which for me the fact they haven't been banning it that should tell you something in my opinion
But after what happened in that last game, even though I don't think the vipers was the X factor by any means
they may elect to ban it because clearly a roll of a point to prove about picking it.
Yeah, I mean it's just the fact that they've played so much against each other like
inter-regionally that the meta between these two teams is naturally going to
be different than these teams against some sort of international team that I
can understand going back to the Viper. I'm really glad to have
confirmation. Caff said it's about Dark Mago's hero pool. So I feel like that's why they should
actually ban it, because what else is he, what's he gonna play? What is he gonna play that's not
good against, that is good against Viper? There's just, there's just nothing. All I know is I'm
gonna play, if I'm gonna meet Dark Mago in my pubs in the next few days, I'm gonna be picking
Viper, because this guy is struggling against Viper. He's both games given in first blood,
And then he like he just can't stop dying to this wiper. I feel like it looks to me very emotional
It's he's he's kind of tilting it looks like
Maybe it's that's why they prioritize it so much and heroic
Planet themselves
That's a twist
My channel and eat your heart out
I mean obviously they won a house car and then South American guys banded they understood it quite fast and
Hero you do steal the pango
Sir still love the monkey
Flex pick just strong carry overall
Yeah, we just set up this entire narrative. No, but I'm happy. I really am happy
We're gonna get to see Tyloon play a different hero, but one he hasn't won on yet potentially
If it is one more with Viper, then it doesn't matter. Yes, I believe they did not win last game because of the Viper
I believe the Viper was just a big whatever. Yeah, he was a passenger. If you wanted him to play Blossier whisper
They don't play so good. I feel like that could have been it, you know
Could have had already like a winner, but no sure he played very well in the pango games, too
We're just meeting. No, he did. Yeah, but he he's a he's an excellent pango
And it could also be whisper pango in the offline, you know, it's flexible for this team
Honestly, just look at the KDA when he's playing wiper Bristol is KDA. It's
Pretty bad. Maybe the thought process was because Viper did dumps to the pango in lane both times
We saw it they take the Viper out because they wanted the pango and it's gonna go mid most likely
They they did give it to Tyloon last time they picked it. He played very well
They did lose that game, but he played very well. He died one time in 51 minutes
Like he had a lot of impact and the reason why the loss was definitely not final. Yeah, so it looks like the
Counterpick to pango is to give him two bad lanes for Queen of Pain mid
That's true. Good very good for Queen of Pain and then Monkey King safe lane no matter where pango goes. It's
Gonna be pretty rough and that's when you pull out the pango carry
It's coming, Yuma, he's already done the unseen today.
He is that type of guy, I could see it.
Realistically there's a very low chance of a pango going carry.
I feel like going mid against the queen is still fine.
Yeah, I'm going to hero.
Pango is the type of hero.
I think Dark Mago had a hard time against the Viper, but the matchup is honestly not
that bad.
Viper has barely any armor.
All you have to do is get a good block.
You get a good block, you're going to have a decent lane.
Level 3, level 5, you're gonna start like pushing back into the Viper and that's why Pango is so good in mid lane right now
Even against the Queen, even against 99% of the matchups. He doesn't care. He's just gonna be strong, solid
He's gonna have an even matchup, maybe even get a surprise like kill on any mid laner because this guy does too much damage
Yeah
They go for the hoodwink once again, hero of the tournament so far. I think most of it right now
Most picked, yeah
As it looks like it does so much damage a very rise up. I believe in the chasm stone buff a lot
sure, I think this thing is crazy on
Heroes that have some small but impactful a we that has especially the ones that could not afford to go for the
6,000 gold a we increase items and hoodwink is like
like the number one for that bushwhack literally vacuums everyone into a tree
it's it's like dark seer vacuum but it stuns how broken would that be it looks
like in the puck man they're respecting title quite a bit they think this might
still be off lane panko it could be although the matchup is like pretty bad
this is interesting previous the previous patch and previous to la here we
saw the tree was one of those very highly contested heroes you know you've got
the ultimate you've got the fact it just gives you such good vision with the
shards so yeah but it we haven't seen it a lot this time around. It still is the
case that this hero is a very strong online he does have the same shot it's
just not as much as it used to be last match it did get nerfed quite a bit
But generally the idea of the hero hasn't hasn't changed much. I love him with monkey king. All right, I'll say that yeah
I think it's a really good partnership. Yeah, it's a good the good setup for with the monkey ring
Yeah, this big a always ton like ravage free and toolty
Even just the sustains to get so you can get the jingoo stock. Yeah, like the healing
Plus healing and armor. Yeah, like it's really good any hero that's giving monkey just like a little bit of
defensiveness or save is so good for him he gets a jingu one big balance boom
useful HP you know what I'd love to see this game from rubik rubik can become a
better queen so queen gets her agonies gets two three more items we've all
seen it does a lot of damage high-impacting team fights rubik can
do that I haven't seen a rubik against the queen yet go agonies and just try
to get his first the shadow strike in the blink you get those two spells
suddenly you're the better queen you have bigger cast range you have a star on top of it you can
fateful the queen i would love to see that they went for the brew on heroic this time
mm-hmm it's like they're stealing heroes these guys have a lot of experience with each other
still yet to win at the tournament as well yeah i just lost last game mm-hmm and it did not look
very good as well it didn't but if there's anybody that i would trust to win with brew
It is maybe 33 and whisper.
Oh, and you know what question we have to ask because it's heroic.
The meatball.
There'd be a meatball.
Yes.
Read my mind.
I'm a meatball.
Dance queen.
I could, I could see Yuma of all people doing it.
I think it would be rough.
It's too much.
We, we saw it was a lot.
It was a lot to deal with for Satanic.
I think it's one queen.
You could deal with it.
satanic could have dealt with it he had different problems it was actually not his
fault his team did make a lot of mistakes but not the wraps so didn't have
the wraps as well the crash item according to satanic but this game there's a
tree and protector which is pretty good against the meatball yeah that the
ultimate a queen lion has an aoe spike there's a monkey a lot of physical
damage but again an aoe stun I think this is too much for the meatball yeah
He could prove me wrong.
No, no, no.
Satanic tried, Yuma could, definitely.
It's Mipo players, they have this like, intelligence, high IQ about Dota and, you know, they don't
accept being wrong.
I mean, they can just go like tiny still in the pool.
I think they can just go for like, generically good hero that's really hard to counter.
You're not going to get life stealered because there's already a monkey king.
Definitely a great tiny game right now.
the two supports.
He has been suffering against the zero.
83% win rate against Queen.
He doesn't like the two stuns for, I think it's 5 seconds, 6 seconds to combine if you
chain them properly.
And a lot of burst damage as well.
See the time and time again just tiny coming in with the Shadowblade.
Top of the Queen.
Just one stun.
Dead.
About lion
Dispatch and loving land the finger. He can get stacks
More and more just by right clicking some do down and I see a lot of people doing this like shadow blade build on lion
I don't know. I'm not gonna see that
Well life stealer is pretty nice against tree here a natural manta builder
So you're gonna have the dispell rage takes off the trio as well helps them picking tiny as well
Yeah, not a good match up into the monkey though
Not great in a monkey
But as you said it does stop the tiny
Probably were worried that if they do ban the lifesteal instead of the nice talker the tiny would have been would have gotten banned
So they maybe thought it's kind of pointless
And if they pick tiny then they can get life stealer
Maybe yeah, it would require some weird swapping of heroes, but it's possibility because they
Yeah
All right primal
I generally don't
See a good scenario for this primal. He's gonna give out
rubic spells
Not very good into lifesteal, but it does stop the role. I feel like this is what the idea of of this hero
Yeah, they just kind of just want to stop the pango role
Get the bkb piercing disable against lifestealer and against pango
Very good. I agree with the Rubik point though like
It's hard. It's hard. It's really hard
I'm gonna steal an instantly user with bigger cast range and suddenly your BKB person is able to just
It's being used against you. Yeah, pretty much. So even Primal once he gets a BKB, Rubik can just spell steal
Use it against him and interrupt it
Quap monkey
decent decent pairing there's no time to worry about I
So I generally like South American Releases, line-up more, but Heroic has been playing more
as a team.
They're just playing better in my opinion as a team together.
South American Releases on the other hand, it feels like their gameplay is very random
most of the time, and they're just basically reacting to what happens in the game.
So I think Heroic has a good chance.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, momentum can carry you.
It definitely can.
They look good when they're snowballing when they're fighting, but after watching the last game
I feel like heroic is playing more stable more structured more like we would expect from them
And last chance for South American team one of them is gonna go out unfortunately true
I think as well though. It's got to be said like
Thailand's proved the point now with Viper in his mind move on
Hopefully that's gonna help
So
Yeah, I mean, there is a world where it goes late game, and Herok just loses to the crazy
late game.
Good to hear.
All right, well, you know what we have to do?
We have to go back a little bit of slacks on the sidelines.
Yeah, absolutely.
What a treat, my friends.
We are here with Cavs again, Cavs.
You were right.
Well done.
Looking great.
Absolute big smiles from you and the boys.
But let's move on from this game because we got to get our heads in the next one.
one. Do you guys just not believe in Lone Druid in South America? I mean, you guys don't want
to pick it. You don't want to ban it. You think this guy's garbage? What's the deal?
Against every single other team I ban it in first phase. The heroes are stupid right now,
but unfortunately, South America has no Lone Druid players.
Hey, they have market days open, boys. Get in there. You could be on the top team. Fantastic.
If you are a Lone Druid player, please email me.
Okay emails. Wow, you we will kick someone on the
Fantastic as they're in game three Jesus. All right, let's talk a little bit about brewmaster brewmaster
Didn't do too amazing last time and you guys seem to value it. It's the first time you guys picked it so far on this guy
What are your wife? I think the brewmaster
last game he did a lot
And I think it's one of the best heroes against monkey king the actual monkey king both in lane and in the game
And it had some other good matchups as well like their supers don't do anything against blue master
So I think it was a really good pick. All right. We got to get in the game
So I'm gonna steal one from mr.
Cinder in the back we were talking about what is the best counter to a queen of pain mid
You know huskar was brought up
Viper was brought up and now we see the ping aleer is this lane that you're happy about or is this just a survive kind of deal
I think this is a very skill matchup
I think it can go both ways
usually if the quad player is like really sharp and knows the matchup really well
she tends to win by a little bit but Tylo is a really good laner so I think we
should be fine on this one. So with that you think Dark Mago sucks at quad that's
that's good to know thank you so much for that insight we're gonna see if you
guys do well in the game the game is well underway let's take it to two
very unsharp guys Sunspan and Cinderan. Thank you so much always a nice
positive throw from SirActionSlacks, the least toxic person in our scene.
As we get into game number three between Heroic and the Rejects, I was actually shocked to hear what he said.
I feel like Qwap dumpsters this hero, am I crazy?
I think it's a better match for Pango than you would expect.
Really?
Yeah.
I'm really bad then I guess.
I would agree it's Qwap favorite, which is also what he said, right?
If the Qwap knows all the details and plays the lane very well,
She can get an advantage and I think this has been dog moggo's best laning here on the entire tournament
So this is a game to prove that you have got what it takes, you know
You're playing lane that let's say it should be favorable. Let's say it's 60 40
We want to see the 60 40 results. You don't want to draw or lose in particular against Tai Long who is now
running
A more active hero it has to be said I feel like we've talked it to death
But I just think it's super important for how the game is gonna run
So we'll bring it up one last time when he's not playing viper and is playing something like this
It means the archetype strategy that you wrote is playing will be very different. Oh my that is an unexpected kill to say the least
Geez Louise is Frank getting harassed out by KJ. Looks like he will live
Okay, you're gonna wrap around the trees to see if you can get one last fade bolt
for the win
That's just the weirdest place to hide out of all of them.
Just look still.
Uh, does not want to use Fade Bolt.
Just kill him already.
Uh, just use Fade Bolt.
Okay, so there's the kill that we're expecting.
He wanted to delay the death as much as possible, I guess.
That might have actually been strategic.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, fair enough.
Just, uh, waste additional time from the core.
If he's positive he's getting the kill, I could argue he can wait as long as he
wants.
In the mid lane, Tylong is actually currently ahead against QWAP.
I don't know how this is, but I need to watch this replay.
This is a very good look.
Two points in shadow strike.
Yeah.
It's like just nothing you can do as a melee hero.
Tylong is good.
Yep.
Gotta be good at the resource management.
Finally, a skillful hero we get to see him play on.
Although he is all in two on.
There you go.
Nice swashbuckle.
Damage Darkmog'ro can't quite get the kill 22 and 5 right now, it's a 16 and 0, so Darkmog'ro
is going to get some help from the tree, but we haven't seen him a little bit now.
Yeah, that's going to be an X factor here for sure.
When you add that into the mix, Darkmog'ro should definitely be winning the lane, right?
Not only do you have a favorable matchup, but you also have global assistance.
And on top of that, Skullfield is even going to help cover a water room for you here, along
with King Jungles, I suppose it's... even.
Well, Skullfield, this is actually kind of awkward for the Rubik.
In the middle of nowhere, no mana for Lyft, now that he used Fate Bolt.
But he might just be strong enough with that damage reduction to stand his ground,
and that is indeed the case.
Ailing Sel will be used for Skullfield, and Blood Grenade will cancel it out.
I don't think there was any reason to sell yet, to be honest.
Like, it looked good because he was walking away or whatever, but
could have waited until he were in the cover trees. That Lugrinate did 300 damage.
You think about it? Yeah.
Pretty powerful.
Very nicely done.
Now, I was super surprised to see the kill top. I just think Primal has no business finding a kill in this lane
and realistically speaking that's the only one he's going to get.
Now that Yuma is level 3, almost 4, he's going to have a point in range, he's going to get more points in feast and just kind of stabilize this lane.
Down the bottom, I was a bit surprised to hear Caffs say he thinks a Brewmaster is good against Monkey King in the game as well.
I understand that in Leaning it's quite good, but actually historically speaking, Monkey King has been good against Brewmaster's Split.
One of the better heroes is just killing him off. I don't know if that has changed, or if I'm missing something here with how they interact with the soldiers,
but maybe you're just too tanky, maybe you're too fast, or the speed of everything is better.
But either way, I would expect this to be a matchup that Witz is very experienced in, that's the other thing.
He plays a lot of Monkey King and Brewmaster had, especially a couple of months where a lot of people were playing it at the beginning of 741 as well.
It was pretty popular, so you'd think he is in his wheelhouse here with the Monkey.
Also against Pangoro, another thing that the arena is good against.
Pushback's gonna find the quap. Dark Maga though, gets some help from El Misho as Thiolacor
and a bit of Trouble Tile Lung creating some space, threatening the rolling thunder. Thiolacor
will live, and a regen goes the way of the pango, and when you talk about no more deaths,
well Wittz joins the party up top as a dead lifestealer.
Rotating the monkey through will do that.
What do you think of the primal in the game itself, because the panel kind of
talked about easy rubik steals it does go to rage though yeah I as usually got
away the pros and cons I am a little bit more pessimistic about this pick than I
am optimistic I see the point in pulverizing life-sealer and the pango
but the rubik is a major downside and that question is if you kill people when
you pulverize them as well I is honestly it's it's fine I think I don't
I think it blew me away, and a lot of the time my final gets last picked, it's like, okay, this was really strong.
It's alright.
And sometimes that's all it takes. I think for comparison, I think the axe picking game 1 was better on paper, than what it brought to the game.
But, understandably you're not picking axe this game.
Yuma, already two deaths to his name.
Use rage, they have.
They haven't impaled by the chase.
up there. Frank will be the one to take the wisdom, interestingly, so. I wanted to try
to get some steel action, but not to be. Wasting some time here, he will inevitably die, I would
think. Nope, never mind. Unless Tylon hits this one, he does. Of course he does. Alright,
course. 700 up on Pango against QWAP right now.
Yeah, I really, really good.
I did not have anticipated that.
And he's going to be accelerating his game off of that toward a fast mage layer.
Actually, he's going to walk into WITS here.
Yes, walk into the rolling thunder.
It gets cancelled initially, Wukong's command.
See if Talon can get another stun here and his whisper on the outskirts.
Nice dodge.
into the soldier so Kylong will just go back to the middle lane.
The fact that he got this changing of the guard just as part of the ability is so strong.
Oh the Invisorin looks like it will go to Darth Maestro.
Much needed for him.
Yep.
So in the end, kind of a wasted rotation from Kylong.
It's... am I missing something?
Why is Kuat buying Soul Ring every game?
I think I understood the logic when they were... I was talking to we about this,
We understood the logic when they were going the bloodstone though, but I've seen people go soul ring no matter what now
Maybe it's just trending and just works go for the ball
Well, we don't know I've just we've seen other clock games now where they didn't go and they go soul ring every day
Oh, it's gonna get the sonic wave on the tie long still healing up through it though
The swashbuckles there Frank comes in level six has the pulverize but the invests gonna keep them alive a little bit longer
There's the pulverize a little bit late, but Ty long still falls to dark mago shadow strike
That's Frank now being pursued as the stick that doesn't matter if he gets to lift it in well, okay
It's the kill makes them work for it a little bit. Yuma does not get his free five health
Is that five still? It's 10 though. They changed that
Actually don't remember it's 10
Quite a lot of time spent there for life so they're for very little gain
Unfortunately for him, but important for the team
And of course this primal beast play it exists for now, but once rubik hits level six this gets a lot harder
to execute
So rubik with level four arcane supremacy gets 240 cast range
If you add any cast ring on top of that, it's very easy to pulverize
The primal himself or if you want to pulverize the monkey king of course or queen of pain
You think he's gonna go aether lunch just for that fact um
Um, I think I would rather just see him by regular utility items like Force, Glimmer.
But, I mean there is a world where Lens is good, I just don't know if he's like that.
You should get a casual chasm stone in preparation for the pulverize.
Also, a bigger AoE at the pulses.
Yeah.
Sounds like a overkill.
Oh.
Charged through.
And if they get the hacks on top, there's the pulverize.
Rage did come through, gives him some good magic resist and Frank now on the run.
Hey, KJ gets infested, much kill threat through they have is not much because Dark Mago shows
up so the squirrel will fall.
Eventually.
Denied.
Nice from KJ.
Very nice.
Tylan joining the party as well.
Gets the rolling thunder onto the lion.
That'll be an easy kill.
Another one for KJ.
Just stealing all of them.
He's gonna pop off.
Shout out to Yaps or?
Your favorite.
I heard he's doing well, that's good.
In an episode with Kezu on his video series interviewing Unks.
What does Kezu think of Kez?
Was he upset that his namesake was taken from him?
I think he wasn't celebrating the collaboration event enough, since that was the game he
was named after.
Nice
To just not answer your question at all. Yes, you're more than welcome
I would do well in politics. It's all about just answering a question. You weren't asked
Yep deflecting and then talking about something that's not interesting. So people tune you out. Yeah
We have to sound smart at the same time. It's hard. I don't think you have to do that. That's true
Yeah, we've
Guy is gonna be the first purchase for dark mago
Okay, and it will be the Radiance Life Stealer, and Mage Slayer will be the first choice for
Tylong.
So when you go Mage Slayer, do you not go Diffusal?
You can do both.
I think most of the time it is not the correct build.
I wouldn't mind if he does both here because they're both very good for different reasons,
but...
It does delay your axe significantly.
And you guess the item I miss on Pango?
You miss the neutral item that gave you...
Oh, that was good too, but no.
Um, what would you miss on Pango?
That was, what's that called? Mystic something?
It was tier 4, right?
Yeah.
So it's tier 3 at first and then tier...
Beyond Busted on the...
The Silence.
Yeah.
Uh, would you miss on Pango?
No.
It's not coming to mind, actually.
Maelstrom.
Oh, really? That's the one you missed.
I was thinking about it, I was like,
missed that I should just know I should know my if somebody likes something don't put them
down like when you eat the what do you think is the best burger you've ever had don't tell
somebody that they're an idiot I'd never get sold Frank just about to finish the blink
here another hundred gold of course he's gonna have to come out of the VTV I mean the problem
But even when you get this, maybe you have the Spell Steal.
I got Fully Combo.
Do they have the damage?
Oh, Whisperr trying to get off the map, but he does.
There's the Overgrowth.
Can they kill the Brulings?
But you were coming in from the south, buffed the rage,
tried to kill off Skokul, but the Sonic Wave
is going to clean them up nicely.
So Bruemaster dead to right.
That's Tylong now infested in the rolling thunder.
Unfortunately, for him, he doesn't go any faster with that.
But they do find the connection to Dark Mago,
which is all that matters.
So two for one, and as Elmisho likely to be next.
Although, hiding as long as he can, but no way out of that corner.
Alright, really important there that Whisper gets his ulti off.
Sure, he does end up dying in the end, but bought a lot of time for his teammates to rotate over.
That's...
In spite of, I would say, pretty clean spellcasting from the Radiant,
just couldn't get the kill, which means it was not a good idea.
But it's one of those situations in one of those heroes where it can be a little difficult
to gauge just how tanky actually is when you go for it, but that costs them dearly.
Alright, link dagger reveal into the pole.
Well that looked weird.
That looked weird to you.
Which one?
Which part?
Pulverize.
Looks like it was going faster than normal.
It's the visual, but not the actual stun.
Alright, I'll pay attention to that coming up.
Really important.
Just getting the bug reports in. That's right. Because we are ending beta soon here.
Yeah, once he gets his BKB, I mean, it's still good, but spell steal, polarize, scale it, guess what? That goes through BKB as well.
It's going to be a lot on the shoulders of KJ, needs to be in position to get those off.
And you can't, the problem for Frank is you can't itemize against this. It's the same issue that Enigma has against Rubik,
which that matchup changed a lot when they changed Linkens and BKB in combination.
Because you're used to be able to counter Rubik with Enigma by having both
and then you could just blink BKB Blackwell and he couldn't Spellsteal
because he couldn't cast the other spells on you, but now, same problem for Primal.
I don't think there's any point in buying Linkens, because Rubik is just going to faple you from a thousand range Spellsteal.
All of his spells are instant so you don't even waste a millisecond of his time
and he'll do the same thing.
you'll do the same thing. So you still have to buy the BKB because your Primal Beast, like
this hero can't really play without this item in my opinion. So don't really have a choice,
but doesn't feel the best about it.
Yeah.
Alright, so Yuma just about to finish his Radiance now.
I whisper close to Ag's as well. There's a pretty strong timing coming up here for
the Heroic Squad.
And Tyllung as expected will not be going for mage layer plus diffusal.
He's curing up dagger next and then shard.
So very utility heavy builds rather than thinking about an earlier agonims.
See if this pays off, power run, on loco, it's bottom, haste for dark mago.
site for him. He's going to do his standard Kaia into Veil, and then we'll see where it
goes after that. It's usually just X. I think in this game you can maybe make a case to
get BKB first, because I think your X is actually not very good here compared to many
games you've seen in play. It's good against Brewmaster Split, but that's kind of it.
There's no illusions, there's no obvious way of connecting on multiple heroes because
Spherox lineup by nature is going to be pretty fragmented.
We'll find El Misho here.
He's going to get the Overgrowth off.
He can't steal that.
It's already on cooldown.
I've tempted TB, he's actually fine here.
Wow.
He's just going to get out.
There's an interesting steal here though from King Jungle, stealing the natures guys.
If he would have been patient it might have killed him by just stealing Overgrowth.
He wouldn't use Overgrowth then.
Yeah, probably not.
Alright, there's the Radiance over there.
Find the connection onto the queen of paint, Darth Maungo in a lot of trouble, blinks out Tyllanc, pursuing Sharpshooter, not quite there.
Very close as meanwhile, Scofield able to kill off KJ, might be at the cost of rank, topsy up where there's a big sonic wave on the three heroes.
Darth Maungo back up and healthy, but Tyllanc is as well as he gets a little infestation.
Pretty big kill trade. I think that's relatively even, even though you traded Primal for a support, because the Ruvik was 4-0, so a lot of gold for Schofield, and that's going to accelerate his blink purchase.
I think in the grand scheme of things, that's probably worth it, but only because he was on the street, and because of the relative impact that Lion's Dagger is going to have.
hero is some heroes just transform completely when they get their first
item. Lion I would argue is one of them where you go from being like overall
okay as like mainly a counter initiation or a combo hero when you get
blink you suddenly become one of the best initiators in the entire game so
it's very very big to get that item as early as possible no shit but some
games the lions get caught in this awkward like farming stage and you
You don't want to show, so you kind of have to get the gold, but it's bad to show on lanes
because then you're not a threat on the map, etc.
So getting a little injection there is going to help him out a ton.
I think he got 400 gold for the Rubik's kill.
200 to go.
A sub-20 blink is okay, especially for Skowfield.
The way he plays the game in general, he will be dying a bit more than some other
force.
He's playing more sacrificial, so just to be expected that he will be a little
later on his timings. It's a farm brew, gotta say. I'm just staying up there. And I'm curious
to see if my theory about this against Monkey King is right, because I had a little bit more
of a negative outlook on it than Katz does. So let's see when Push comes to shove how
it actually goes without a Deso. It is. Okay, so Deso now completed for Whits.
This is when he starts hitting a lot harder, fairly missing there on the distiller.
That means he gets to re-initiate potentially.
Did the enemy see that A-Wee or is it hidden?
I think it's hidden for the enemy, right?
They don't see the ring.
Oh, they do.
They see it?
Well, spectators, we see it, so I guess that should be the same, yeah.
I must admit, I think I've played against this item very, very little in games.
It's more of a pro item, I would say, but, huh, okay, can't answer that question.
It's too new, Shannon, we're all new.
In our own ways.
Yeah.
And whispered top net worth, as you said, not something we see all too often on a Baroo
Master.
Looking quite good for Dark Mago too though.
Does that minus?
Of course.
Swap.
It's a, I would say it's generally a good sign for rejects when Dark Mago is high
up on the net worth that generally means the game is going quite well if it
happens in the earlier portion and the last game it obviously didn't happen
with the pango they recovered he got top net worth and they still lost but that
game had some wild engages I think this one might play out a little more I
say I'm not gonna say predictably as in it's obvious who is going to win
fights but I think it's gonna be more structured by the nature of the
lineups. Yeah, I think things have kind of tapered off a bit. Both teams bit content to
farm away, so Blink Dagger for the tree. And you're saying that they don't itemize the
shard anymore? Generally no. It's just they got nerfed so hard. Can you think of a shard
that ever got nerfed that much from one patch to the next? I mean, there's been a lot
it's a crazy nerf boomerang online now well boomerang used to be an eggs right
on the way that got nerfed by becoming a shard oh wait what what what why did it
become nerfed by becoming a shard because it's also you mean you made the
ability worse but cost a third of the price you're not counting those then I
guess I mean that doesn't there wasn't really the questions and no I'm not
counting the question was stupid I've learned to not argue it's just not worth
it yes really nice to win arguments for once it's not a victory it's just one
person chooses not to participate it sounds like my life I'm just I'm just
voting absent KJ assassinated by Frank who is still working on the BKB about
600 away from the recipe.
It's called abstain, right?
It's the official term.
When you show up and you cast a vote, that's nothing.
It's called abstain, right?
But if you don't vote, it's abstaining.
Well, at least in Denmark, for example,
there's a technical difference between not showing up
to vote and voting blank.
We call it blank.
It's where you hand in a vote, but it's nothing on it.
Because then you have participated
and you're counted as a vote.
But it's a vote on nothing.
I think that's what abstain is, right?
So you technically you're present you're voting and you're choosing not to pick any option. Yeah, okay, so abstain. I like that work
Can you abstain from talking? Yeah by all means
You know what?
If you want to just talk about this yourself go ahead look at look at Yuma
Take it away. Yuma is right-clicking a tower. The tower
will fall
BKB now for Frank
That's enough talking for me.
You could keep it together for 10 seconds.
I abstain.
Nice to stiller hit onto Skollfield.
Got a nice spot on Sharp Shooter right on his face.
Yuma is going to get overgrowth.
And that means he's going to lose 10 HP Cinder and...
That's a pretty important spell to just throw out the window to try to save a lion.
This is a moment of opportunity now.
For the side of heroic see if they want to do anything with it. Their lineup is
Not that best at taking Roche. You have lucky shot though
but
Life stealer is
Notariously not the greatest Roche killer. I've only feast worked on Roche
That would be something else
So we did go for it regardless, I mean it's still, I think it's fine, it's just a great
item overall.
Farming speed, team fighting output, gonna look to finish his Kaya Sange next, and then
I imagine BKB must be on the menu here, like playing without that item in this game is
a little bit too greedy if you get caught in some sort of stun chain between Pango,
Hood, Wing, and Rubik, so just cover your bases, but let's see.
I mean, what team is happier with the current state is very passive, I would say.
And overall, I kind of like the Radiant game, of course.
I like the Radiant a bit more because they have two PKB piercing abilities later in the game between Primal and Triant,
and I just think Quap and Monkey King, in my eyes, have good matchup in late game.
Again, I'm ready to be proven wrong about the whole Brumaster vs. Monkey interaction.
So I would prefer rejects currently in this game, but it's very...
I mean, maybe it's the long game with the Primal, or rather the Brewmaster. You get that refresher.
You can pop out early, so the Monkey King just has to have all his focus on six Pandas, you know?
plus you just spilled jingoo very important with tornado really important
there and with the spell right wait does the tornado dispel I don't think it
does actually I don't think so but the spell does you all's the spells and
tornadoes I think tornado only tornadoes which is unusual now I got hungry
say tornado so many times what it's like tornado I don't know what is that tuna
kato what do you call this in English it's like it's a way of having filet it's
like you have a nice cut of beef and then it's surrounded with a wrap of bacon
it's called English that's called wrapping something in bacon that's
gotta be a word for this hang on i've never heard the word for it
uh...
uh... give me a second here that's just standard dining in america anyway
you just assume things are wrapped in bacon it's still says tornado i don't know
there's the sage kaya
and you're thinking bkb next for the club we'll see i think so yeah
uh... i mean critical bloodstone i just think it's a little bit more
volatile
Yeah, we've seen people get punished with that before he already has the veil. No, he'll get it eventually, but yeah
A thousand away from Agz on Tylong
Both sides are just very confident that they're gonna get
They're gonna have the advantage of late game
Based on this plan last few minutes. I like this from Frank by the way going eggs
I think you're not necessarily breaking all that much
But you're getting a lot more output and you're trying to build your hero in a direction where it's less about the ulti and more about other
stuff which is exactly what you want.
Yeah, they get the hacks into the overgrowth, into the pulverize as well, where's the rubric
when you need them?
Too dead already for heroic.
Clean find.
And a primal split.
Okay.
That'd be too effective.
They take a full sonic wave.
They want to kill off the storm panda.
It is getting away though.
They find KJ on the back line.
It's a five out of the hood because well they still want to fight Witt's trying
to take out Whisper.
We'll get away with the Earth Panda just barely. Now full HP again.
Wap it really deep. They get the hex onto the lifestealer. This is such a disaster for Heroic.
They are dying constantly now. They don't... I don't think they're gonna single kill this fight.
And this costs the buyback as well onto a support.
One more pulverize for the road and that is a full team life for the rejects.
Six for zero.
Sudden moment of opportunity just perfect and like as you pointed out it is so imperative that Rubik is where the action is
And he just shows up too late if he steals the first pulverizer looking at a completely different fight now instead
I mean you could just look at the fight break down there just the number of spells cast right a
Radiant just got to have a complete field day there a
Six case swing in the fight itself and shadow strikes
Is that what I said?
Seven Shadow Strike casts?
I don't know how it counts if you hit multiple heroes with one if it counts as two.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's because of AoE, but...
Yeah, that's true.
It might have cast it seven times as well, honestly.
The fight was long enough for it.
We can start counting if you want.
He just arrived.
That's one.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know.
Six more seems unlikely.
I'll say two.
Yeah, two, yeah.
Counting with Cinderant.
Watching nothing else, of course.
3, that's probably a 7 individual cast, this fight's half way through only
Yeah, where's number 4? There it is
Yeah, you're right
5, I think ground cast 1 there
Maybe, I'm not sure if you ground cast onto nothing it counts as
Yeah, it still is, you're sparring
That was 6 at least
There's the 7
Good job Valve, you have got the software under control we've established
That's insane
So, with human testing we've counted that it works, but yeah, that is a pivotal moment
in the game.
That is pretty much a complete disaster for Rogue.
It's one thing to lose a fight, but that was just not even remotely close.
Just got caught off guard by a successful move, and now in the driver's seat as we
like to say, the Reject's looking very comfortable.
It will be neither of our ideas for Dark Mago as it looks.
Let's go field, we'll be dying here.
Nice quick pick up.
Nice steal.
Very good spell steal for Rubik, having the hex here.
He has insane cast range and already has blink, so very, very nice.
It's just a better line version.
Co-op is going, oh nevermind, he switched to BKB.
Okay, well he had Octurine queued up and he decided, well, probably better.
Man, Heroic love to go for Roche despite being behind.
They're going to have to back away as the balance strike makes them a little bit worried.
They will smoke though.
Yeah, good coverage.
Now, Misho has shard, by the way, so can look inside of the pit.
This will not be a surprise.
Yeah, now these trees have six minutes duration rank.
Blinks out, he's fine, wits.
Okay, so the smoke completely gets nullified.
You see the essence to Cillar on the ground,
no connection though.
Very interesting game.
Haven't yet seen the pulverize on the rolling thunder.
Which I assume is the main reason they picked this.
It still cancels, right?
Yeah, well they've... oh, it keeps them in place.
But they've also...
But it doesn't cancel the ult entirely?
It used to do that.
I don't... well, maybe it still does then.
We'll find out.
Okay, instinct cancel on that.
As Elnisha goes in, overgrowth after ready,
and they absolutely blow up Yuma.
First is from a hundred to zero in the blink of an eye
And Tyla he still wants to fight they take a support for their efforts primal split still used here
You know we take out another support in El Misho
The cost is pretty heavy. There's a balance strike the kind of you were talking about get the connection on to whisper
About to pop into his regular form, but now he's completely surrounded attempted TP might be out actually
KJ also gonna blink out. Could have been a lot worse for her, but still pretty bad losing
the lifestealer right away.
Yeah, this is just...
And this is a 1-4 lifestealer at the moment.
It's lifestealer versus Lion in a nutshell. If you get jump-hext and there's no help,
they have no defensive protection from their supports, he's just screwed. I feel like
Rubik needs to buy the shard here to protect, to be honest. Doesn't have it yet though.
KJ six shadow strikes there. Yeah, it's a lot
I'm gonna count them again
I'm good. I think honestly that could have been worse
I think for a rogue as well if Frank pre-pop BKB when I went for the blink pulverize on the hoodwink
I think putting just dies immediately and you still fight like even worse, but
Two for two probably isn't the worst thing in the world. You see it here instant hacks the response
But lion of course go field on the money here. Just a really clean kill of life stealer
Connecting everything and yeah gotta be careful on Yuma as soon as smokes break
You kind of have to pre-rage or you're just gonna get blink hacks and killed like this
Maybe if you're anticipating a fight coming perhaps you start in infest
Seeing the fight
Or to use balance strike to connect with blitz takes out scofield Yuma gets the rage
So he didn't die first this time if the trample is Frank is just decimating everybody in his pack
2 for 3 with a buyback coming out from KJ, they find the stun off the tie-long,
shot a strike applied, and Frank, getting close by as the foulness strike puts the
tie-long into the grave. Lifestealer inside of the creep, we'll get to the
other side of that impenetrable wall. But again, another fight goes the way of
rejects. 10k lead now.
Harugar only killing supports. I think their lineup is facing a very clear
problem right now, they don't have enough damage. That's a very, very major issue to
run into at 30 minutes, and some lineups inherently do this. I think that's one of the problems
that Brewmaster lineups sometimes have, is if the Brewmaster doesn't snowball the game
and you get to this part, like you're good at killing supports, you don't really threaten
the cores that much, and Pango doesn't have real major damage yet. He's got mage
You're not a flare on axe, but no, you know, like the Krem items that you would like to
see Tylong have at this point.
So you're just mathematically not out-damaging a co-op of the monkey, right?
It's just not close, especially not when you're tanking a network behind.
So this is going to be a nice Aegis pick up for Wits.
We'll be transitioning this into a, it looks to be a Daedalus.
I think the biggest concern for Heroic here is that...
It feels like Dark Mago just doesn't lose from this position on QWAP.
There are other problems in this game. Witz is 6-0-9, he's doing great for himself.
You still haven't stolen Pulverize, I think, in 35 minutes. That play hasn't happened.
So, if that's the case, this Primal Pick is great, because the one downside that I didn't like about it isn't coming into play, then, you know, wonderful.
It's gonna be a free shard here for the lion. Don't think we'll see too much impact out of this
I mean even in that last fight the full rise was canceled right away, so I may still want to fight family
This quap is massive turn to disassemble here or excuse me. He just locked he locked you ma you might has the agri-mceptor now
Again, it's not damaged though really. It's more survivability
You don't know the answer to this, so I'm not going to ask you.
I'm trying to remember when Bloodstone became disassembled, it wasn't always right.
How would I not know that? How do you know I don't know that?
Since when can you disassemble it?
I don't know, no idea.
At least I think he disassembled it, unless he just delivered the component and then he was like,
And it was like, oh wait, I want Octarin and then immediately just summon before you use that.
Anywho, let's keep talking about that.
He is...
...huge on the co-op.
Octarin core means three second cooldown acts.
Shadow strike.
All that shit talk, Dark Mago, goes to another level center.
Balance strike onto Whisper, gonna force out the primal split.
Takes off the Jingu stacks, that's something.
Actually doing a considerable amount of damage to the Monkey King is gonna get some help and there's the sharpshooter from afar
So that's the ages down. There's the pulverized steel by the way
That's the overgrowth though onto the life's here there is the infesto inside the primal beast himself
And I try to reset here as he pops out
Yep, that's a rubik against the monkey king that is this farmed it's just an unfortunate reality
As the Wukong's command was still up this whole time, same with the Sonic Wave, didn't realize
they had all these big spells at their disposal as Yuma now going to get the Lotus applied
to him.
Shadow Strike will continue to play hit another infested to Frank that seems to be the body
of choice for him.
Very happy inside of that disgusting fiend.
He's going to get pulverized now, nobody to save him this time around, although
Frank being pursued now by Yuma as everybody else is focusing onto Tyla.
one more shield crash for the row, but they will have the damage to take him out.
So eventually, Yuma does kill off the primal.
It took two infests from him.
Among God knows how many right clicks.
I wish it showed right click attacks here.
Yeah.
Times a hundred.
It's kind of crazy to look at this chart with 9000 damage life.
So there and I was just going to make the comment that he has his dam.
His bill is actually quite low damage.
Right.
But it was such a long fight.
He got to stay in two in fests and, you know, have passive
radiance burn, etc. But this damage is very slow and very spread. And as a result, the
cores of the radiant once again just survive forever. Like they, this was with brumaster
taking down the monkey king ages first. Of course, it was an unfavorable fight to begin
with that you're fighting into the MK. But yeah, they, they run into the same brick
wall once again, tie long here, had survived the lotus orb against overgrowth. So he
doesn't have damage.
The damage dealt. That's before reductions, I assume, right?
Yeah, I think so.
9000 damage primal himself has 4300 and then after reduction what is that going to be like 55 6000 me
So most of that damage is just primal beast. I mean primals EHP is insanely high. Yeah
Yeah, we pop up roar you get all that physical physical armor. He's bloodstone, too
So yeah, I would a lot of that damage just on the primal beast
That that's the problem that if you really want a chance of staying in this tournament
They need to buy damage right now. Otherwise, I just don't think it's possible anymore.
At Yuma buying BKB, after Basher here, I get it.
But just like a Daedalus or something.
Yeah, I just don't think this is going to keep working.
Like you're relying way too much on circumstances that are unlikely to happen.
Peru isn't killing Corse that easily.
Sure, he killed the monkey there, but he was 1v1 for like 10 seconds and got a sharpshooter to help.
That's not going to happen.
Going Nullifier, I mean against a lion who has Ghost Scepter and Glimmer.
Nullifier could also help.
Crimson, is that still dispellable?
No.
Oh, I think that's right.
So that's also another problem.
That is very good against Brewmaster and the Lifestealer.
So yeah.
Tough times for Heroic.
And Dark Mago now is effectively six-slotted with treads.
He can swap those out for a final huge item.
Wonder what that's gonna be.
Hex, Dagon 5, maybe Refresher.
See what he fancies, but he has so much net worth in.
The other thing is levels.
You saw in that Teamfight Monkey King,
he had the big ring,
because he already had level 25.
Now, peanut pain also 25.
Look at the other side.
Highest level heroes on the dire, 23.
So the experience is just a massive,
it's like additional net worth.
and lifestealer's 25s are some of the worst in the game as well
so even if you had them it wouldn't be that big of a deal
it's more just, the lead isn't only 18k gold
it's also the value you want to assign to these talents
which I think is very significant
queen of pain 250 sonic wave damage
you have the spell amp that's probably like 300 pure
and monkey king of course the big ring
what do you think about this as a 25 talent for lifestealer
okay just hear me out
Okay, you're already defending yourself.
Hear me out.
Okay.
I know you're not gonna like this one because you don't like this late game kind of shenanigans,
but gaming, so he gains 10 HP for hero kills.
What if you increase that to 100? It's a level 25 talent, 100 each time you kill a hero.
Super late games, you can see the finger get dodged, primal beast ult though, into the kill onto Ty Long.
No way I know that one.
100 it can make a 200 200 HP for each hero kill. I mean conceptually I don't mind it
I don't know what the number is, but I think that's an interesting hundred's not enough
It's like a good thematic talent for the hero. I think it's cool
And you the hero gets larger physically of course that's very important. Yeah, it is
I don't know what the number should be to me 100 sounds high
Really, this is a level 25 but it does sound like it doesn't do anything unless you get kills Frank
And he will pop that uproar of that agonist scepter.
He has 84 armor.
Yeah, keep in mind, break is not something you'd look at a life stealer for, but picking
off beasts.
There comes smoggo.
He packs instantly onto the primal beast, able to get off the pulverize as well.
No rubik nearby.
Finally it's a primal split, but meanwhile, Darkmoggo just having his way with his course
in the backline.
He kills off KJ, buys back instantly Wukong's command, buying a lot of space.
See from the other side, Amishu gets off the overgrowth, Dark Mago though.
Mind to focus down, whispers, little Bruling, only the Earth Panda remains.
Very tanky though.
No Shadow Strike of Fly, there's the Hex on to the lifestealer, Frank is there with the
Trample, Telekinesis saved, gets the Infest just in time onto his favorite target, it
is the Primal Beast again.
That means he can reposition back into the fray.
There's the Pulverize, again Shadow Strike, Yuma has to pop his Rage down just to
get away.
little damage done to the radiant line-up as Yuma has to just limp back to base.
Good defensive play for Heroic, not losing anything more than Rubik and his Bioback,
but Tylong was dead, so it's a 4v5, and I think this is probably as well as that's
going to go with those circumstances.
You stay alive, but once again, you're staying in it, but are you getting to a position
where you pose a real kill threat?
The nullifier will be finally queued up now for the pango.
Now there's a butterfly too on Monkey King.
How on earth are you going to reliably kill this guy with the
wet noodles you have in your team?
It's tough to see it, but heroic have to find that solution or it's
curtains for the tournament.
This is an elimination game if you're just tuning in.
Winner of this is top six. Loser is out.
a lot on the line here for these two South American teams and how many kills
do you think a life-server normally would get after 25 times? I'm expecting to ask that question. I feel like 10 is a lot, right? Yeah, that is. So 10 times 200 is 2,000. That's like the best case scenario.
2,000 HP but conditional. Yeah. Think about it, Cinderan. I mean, like I'm saying, I don't mind the idea, I just don't know what the numbers. I'm telling you it's 200. Okay, that sounds like it.
Listen to me. I'm listening to you. I
Heard it both times you said listen up. Yeah, I listened the first time and I listened the second time
You said the same number both times
It was the same number again. I for some reason need your approval. You're like my father, but you're younger
Oh, I don't know how that works. Is that a good thing? Yeah, I was test-tube, baby. Is that what it is?
They're gonna be able to get Roche wits with the ages
And now heroic gonna have a last stand
Yeah, Mago can opt to buy refresher if he wants at the expense of buyback. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing that.
I think you're in such a commanding position that you don't need the buyback in reserve to protect yourself.
You have 5000 HP almost. And you're just...
Again, the damage issue on the dire makes it so unlikely that you get burst at 100 to 0.
You also have living armor that you can rely on, Crimson Guard, Primal Beast, excuse me, Primal Split,
used by Whisper here defensively, just running away.
Well Frank, gonna tank the gank here, but there are Foggos there, but this is 6,000 HPF to deal with.
A sonic wave on the Thailand, now he's the rolling thunder away.
Invest inside of him this time, just to try to keep the mid laner alive.
Rock for all against.
Rock for all, hands KJ, that's essentially a dieback I believe, so 70 seconds.
And now you have a reliable primal ults except while you have BKB on cooldown, but if nobody has a stun
This one's going full duration and he's 25. He's a tanky chompy boy
When he activates uproar with max stacks, he has 84 armor like we saw before his heart 6k HP and a bloodstone
And the lower he gets the higher his regen is thanks to behemoth blood
I mean they can't kill this guy. How would they ever can't even see the ticks on his HP bar for God's sake?
He looks like a raid boss.
There's the ball of the eyes with the uproar.
Eon just does proc on the primal,
but able to get it off anyway, the primal split rather.
Now the right click damage coming in from Frank.
Yuma has to pop the rage in a retreat
getting slowed to a crawl.
Shadow Frank comes several,
but the infest is gonna keep the lifestealer alive.
Resets completely, but again,
no damage really done.
Three minutes on the ages
and there's the refresher or the swing.
Did you see the swashbuckle?
The swashbuckle, the primal,
Oh no, that's unfortunate, Lifestealer was hitting him for 4 seconds and I think he lost 15% HP.
Shonky boy.
Yeah, it's uh...
Alright, they're gonna have 5 again, Tiling trying to create some space with the rolling thunder.
He can get on the tree end, he can best on top of them as well, the Sonic Wave.
He's gonna feel a lot of damage and the tree's actually gonna live as a result.
And the pango is dead. No way to get back. Whisper gets another sonic wave put on his face back to the grave
He goes now to down and out for heroic as they find a life stealer all alone
Does have to buy back for that's likely the last to come he buys the abyss was the last ditch effort
He's gonna need like ten divine rapiers try to defend this one though
That is a second lane of Barracks in favor of the South American Rejects.
Rejects no longer. They're gonna be the South American team that moves on in this
tournament unless there's some miracle.
Kurt, he's back to pups.
Yeah, I don't think even with him in his prime he could come back from this deficit.
This is gonna be Megas at the very least but still death timers for heroic.
Plenty of time to continue pushing here.
Yeah, it's time for some divine intervention here for Heroic.
Yuma does have a divine rapier queued up, but so far away from finishing it.
Sonic Wave was stolen and Frank just brushes off the damage. He's like, yep.
Oh, actually, the sheep stick now, so they 7th slotted Dark Moggo. He eats his axe, I believe.
Yeah, the... Frank's like, I'll take you with me into the Battle of Strike, into the Pulverize,
into one last death in this tournament because Heroic have now been knocked out by the South American Rejects.
Gigi's called an impressive display.
Yeah, this was, that's what I was looking for when I was talking about an aftergame 2
and halfway through this game I wanted to see a team with more clean execution and better structure
and this was it from South America Rejects.
really nicely played great strategy love the itemization and they just hit an insane timing they won that huge six for zero fight
Got super tanky and there was no no coming back for heroic heroic out South American rejects in
Richard that is the headline Suns fan and it's gonna be
bitterly disappointing for heroic KJ himself
Said that this was a team that you know they didn't want to lose to it
It would be emotionally damaging if they did lose the South American rejects.
They've had their number in an online environment,
qualifier after qualifier after qualifier, only to come to a LAN environment and lose.
And now they're going home with lots to talk about on the plane.
They should have definitely been biker.
Oh, he did it. He did it.
One of us had to do it.
No, I mean, look, all joking aside,
I don't think it was draft related.
No, I mean there was a point in this game where the heroic was falling off and
Not having damage. Yeah, I agree with what we said this morning, which is South American rejects are an emotional team
They are on an emotional high right now
I can't imagine a situation that is going to feel higher than beating their regional rivals the very first time they play on land
and since the inception of these teams,
like this is a very, very big deal.
The king has been usurped.
There is a new king in town.
It is the South American rejects.
It's very disappointing for the heroic side
and for heroic fans.
You can only imagine how they feel.
But I'm very curious to see
when we do get the interview with them,
if it feels like a passing the torch type scenario, you know?
You know, and I'll ask you this week,
Tylong, at the last fall of the year, I believe we even had people like Nisha putting this
kid in their top five mids at the event, saying how good they were, how they were a little
worried to play them.
We saw him win lanes against some of the best in the business.
And at this tournament, he just hasn't done it at all.
I don't want to put all of the blame on young shoulders, but stars have to turn
up.
It's not looked that good in my opinion as we did the last season here.
Partly this Viper bristleback thing, but at the same time, me this last game, they did ban out the Viper in the first phase.
I'm not sure why they're scared of Dark Magoo Viper. It's not one of his signature heroes.
I'd be scared of his Queen of Pain after these performances.
It might have been a middle laner's call, basically trying to buy progames, maybe he didn't want to play third, maybe he was just scared to give it away, yeah?
It feels like a middle laner problem here in the draft and at the same time, I didn't like you, my lifestealer.
You picked this lifestealer in 4 heroes that are actually kind of good against lifesteal, yeah? They basically countered themselves.
Maybe this comes from, as you said, they're playing against South American Rejects. They don't have an organization. It seems like these comments to me, they're like a little disrespectful towards them, but at the same time, that means they're kind of scared because of the Viper ban.
And yeah, bad match ups.
Not much of that's what that's why I'm curious to see how the interview goes
You know just because I feel like it's one thing losing to these guys in the qualifiers
but then they come on land and
You see that South American rejects are taking games off and series off of like S tier teams
And it's like holy shit. These guys are just good, you know, we talk about Thai long a lot
But they have wits who's also a prodigy. They have dark Mago who has at this point
he's a veteran of Dota 2. Like this guy has been on top SA teams, internationally performing SA teams,
for as long as I've been working this job, which is a long time.
Dark Magal definitely played Queen. First pick, in first place, very well. I like his confidence.
He's basically, as you guys mentioned in the beginning, he's his best playing hero. And I do
believe that every time he plays this hero he shines and if the next team that will play against him
I would not be giving him Queen of Pain for sure. I mean it makes sense because a lot of his other
heroes are like punishable in lane this is the one that is actually good in lane it's like
hold on a second this dude's supposed to lose lane right Stark will go like he's
he's on his like tanky beefy boys you give him a queen of pain he's good as well it's like
oh he can do multiple things very very well instead of just this one thing specialty thing
very very well it's a bit scary going back to it they stole the pango as well
from dark mogul who just like fed both first two games like quite hard the
first button both games while losing the middle in 1v1 yeah I mean this is
what's interesting about just the draft and how it was constructed in each
game it felt like even though heroic have played this team so many times it
was like they were drafting not having to read on their opponents so
anyway we'll get back to that point for now we're gonna hear from dark
who is with Salax. Absolutely we are here with the MVP of the game Mr. Magoo. Good
to see you Dark Magoo and thank you for translating appreciate you. So let's
start things off. Gotta feel good beating a team like heroic. Does it mean
something in particular special to you guys because you're no longer the
South American rejects with this your South American royalty.
between South America and Rio and Syria.
How do you feel about that?
It feels really good, to be honest.
We won in Dream League, we won in the Cup,
and it feels really good to play against Roy,
to play against them, despite not having an organization,
not having a support.
It still feels really good, and we hope to play better
against other international teams,
like Paris-Vichon or Liquid and we hope to win the tournament, right?
He said that he feels really good because they beat us the last qualifier, right?
Yes, so it feels really good. We are improving to beat the other teams.
Even though we don't have like a support, a financial support or a Nord support.
This keeps us improving for us.
Well, win this tournament and then I don't think it will be too long until we get that support.
Yeah, absolutely hope so as well.
Let's talk a little bit about those other teams.
I was genuinely interested if you think that this was one of the most difficult series that you're going to have
because they know so much about you or if you think that other teams might be even harder.
You're asking yourself if you think that series would be the most difficult one, more than anything, because they know us, right?
Or do you think there could be a more difficult game in the future?
I feel that the most difficult game is against Parivision, I think it's like our rival to win.
Contreroid, although we know each other very well, we know each other very well and we know that they had the Viper very well, and we know their strategy.
The third game when the Coach got excited and gave a new strategy and destroyed it.
So that's what we won.
like one map, so it's kind of hard.
So now for Roy, we know each other.
So our coach told us about the ViperStrat.
We know also the ViperStrat,
so we could handle that, so it's okay.
Okay, okay, and last question here for you.
With this, it's a big moment.
I wanna give you a little time to shout out
to the homies, shout out to all the fans
that are staying up late watching you guys.
Anything to say to them?
He could speak Spanish, right?
Yes, of course!
Are you kidding me?
Yeah.
He said that he's waiting for their support.
It doesn't matter if we win or we lose.
We are trying to keep ourselves better, you know?
So he's making the support from the region, I think.
Okay, great.
Well, I hope they will give you support for the next team.
It matters to me if you guys win, alright?
I want that South America royalty, baby.
Alright, well, thank you so much for your time.
Thank you for translating.
It was absolutely wonderful.
Get some rest.
Get out of here.
much to do as your team waits for you and we will throw it back to the pale.
Thanks Slacks. Yes, I'm glad he asked that question and answered exactly where I was going
before the interview, which is, yeah, the SA rejects team said, we're going to just let
the Viper through and whatever they do, we're comfortable. We're going to count with them.
We know this team intimately at this point. To me, it's kind of funny that I said that
because I feel like if Tyloon didn't have the random feeds in game one, this would
have been a fast 2-0 with the same draft. So I don't see exactly where he's coming from
with the strategy against Viper. To me, it seemed like this Viper went out of control,
but they did end up beating it. I think Heroic banned it themselves in the last game, so
they were definitely planning on giving Viper again, but Heroic had a different plan,
of course.
Just so interesting to see what was an intra-regional matchup
go to like an international matchup.
You know, they're on an international stage.
And you have this meta that they developed in qualifiers.
And things have changed so much that now
South American rejects are like not banning the Viper.
They're letting it through, still getting kind of owned.
Just like how things change and how much of that
is based on the emotions of being at a LAN.
I hope going forward, South America rejects can continue the momentum because they look
really, really awesome when they look good.
Vibes reign supreme right now.
Time for a quick break when we come back.
Last night, Falkens had their wings clipped today, they're going up against Team Spirit.
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Welcome back, it is time for Falcons vs Spirit,
a classic encounter.
We're going to start as well by talking about Falcons
how they're adapting, if indeed they are, to this new patch.
Because out of all of the teams here, I will say this,
even though it was a rough day at the office for them yesterday,
they're at least trying new things.
They are trying to find what works.
Falcons have been very up and down in this tournament.
Some series, they look like they're in the best shape.
And then some series, they look like just some random stack
of five people feeding all around.
It's wild how a team that has so much experience,
they still have, obviously,
they still have these communication problems.
Is that what you think has been the problem?
You think it is a communication?
I mean, what else could it be?
They've been playing together for so long.
I feel like when you have this amount of time together,
from my experience as well, and professional Dota,
things build up between players.
And usually that's when nobody speaks up,
they just keep building up
And it creates tension and problems, and as long as you keep it to yourself, you only make it worse.
Now, whereas a new team, they would be inclined to speak to each other, try to fix their problems,
because, hey guys, we're new together, right? You need to fix this, I need to fix that.
But the more you play together, you get that friendship going on.
It's kind of harder to be blunt about things between players.
And yeah, that's where communication problems come in.
Interesting.
Now I did say they've been versatile, obviously not Omar so much, because he made the joke when we interviewed him,
he's only playing two heroes right now.
You can see the difference.
As a result of what's happening in the off-lane, I suppose, it's had this compounding effect.
The difference is immense between the two teams.
Falcons, they seem like they have this composition they want to play.
They came into the tournament prepared.
They have only like certain heroes and you can see five averages per player
They know exactly what they want from the graph and they're not going away from it while team spirit as a different story
They have 8.5 8.4 games 8.4 story heroes different play
They want to experiment to me they seem they came in here
Nothing's really working out. They have but you guys are no cleaner. I feel like
with every loss, actually with every game, not necessarily a loss, they just try new things until they find something that is suitable for them.
Yeah, I was going to say, that statistic there is they have kind of tried to find something to patch it, obviously big shoes to fill without collapse.
We know collapse has, you know, one of the goats.
Yeah, I mean, you're filling in for one of the old-time greats.
Whereas Falcons, I think they've played some heroes that they think work, even though no
other teams are picking them right now.
They've really tried to make the Timbersaw have impact, for example.
Yeah, and they're not switching it up.
It doesn't seem like they're playing while switching it up.
Me, while all of us pick.
Classic Falcons.
Yeah, some guy playing 10 different heroes, two guys actually playing 10 different heroes.
On Falcons, the average is like four and six heroes played.
There's actually nobody in the team on Falcons who played more than six heroes.
You saw that in the last series too with Heroic, in the position 5s I think it was like 1 with 10.
I mean, Panto has played 5 or 6 silencer games. The last 5-6 games, Panto has been playing silencer only.
So it just goes to...
So here it is, these are the hero pools. Why do you think you've tried to brute force something like a silencer then when other teams aren't picking it?
I mean, I personally think Silencer is a underutilized hero.
I think it's pretty underrated in general
and good against a lot of the meta heroes.
I do wanna say in terms of this matchup,
one of my favorite things about watching Spirit Falcons
is, well, number one, Spirit is always very fun to watch.
Falcons can be a bit boring.
I think Spirit brings out the best in them
in terms of entertainment.
But it's also like, you know,
you guys are talking about Spirit picking a lot of heroes.
There's an element of they have to incorporate a stand in but also if you watch their
ESL rally documentary like this is the way that they have thought about the game since Bipocha since silent where
They believe that the way to play Dota is that if something is good against a certain hero
It doesn't matter if it's meta or not
They will pick it and they will just go down trying like they will lose with it whereas Falcons is the literal complete opposite
so it's it's a
Battle of play styles battle of ideas of the game of just forcing shit or picking things that are not meta that are just good
Yes in this specific game. Yeah, so we see on the screen 41 minute tournament average game duration, but
These guys have played before mm-hmm, and their average game duration was 44 minutes
So it goes to show that team spirit in general how they like to play is give yato or this like in carry and
and basically build from the laning stage just have a great game for the outflow
to pretty much like 1v5 on some Terral Blade or Faces Void.
Obviously with the help of the supports.
But yeah, they're looking for the late game.
He's a late game player.
He's one of the best, if not the best, late game carry in terms of decision making, in my opinion.
And then Team Falcons.
They have a similar thing going on, but not relying entirely on a skater.
They do like to farm a lot. They have a very greedy off-laner, Amar plays heroes like Monkey,
always having timber and tide, Mars always being top of the network, or at least top three of the network, and they love stacking.
They just love stacking so much because it benefits all three of their cores. All three are super greedy, my opinion, and they just...
It's just natural. It's gonna go to the game if they play this type of game. And as the draft evolves,
I'll also say, because we were having this discussion off-camera, I have been to enough
Dota tournaments now that I usually get a sense when Falcons are just done, like they
just defeat and like what I saw last night, I just kind of got that vibe that they're
like look, we need to go home and figure out this meta in our own time rather than
in front of everybody, you know, and I think Spirit will, I know, I think Spirit
going to battle them. You think Spirit have been making lots of mistakes, right?
I think Falcons have had better showings than Spirit in this tournament and worse
showings as well but overall Team Spirit has been the team that looked worse to me
compared to Falcons. Seems again they don't have an identity. I'm pretty sure
that's why they gave Panto the last five CZM silencer because they probably
found the hero that works for him but they keep switching the other players
heroes because they just they don't know what they want it just feels from the
draft they're just trying everything let's see what it works I just not been
that successful actually the Falcons game last night to be fair against team
liquid game one was a really long game and very devastating for them yeah you
know King jungles talked about I will keep going back to that interview yeah
the mental it was great the mental damage within a series it can be hard to
shake that off in one series I would normally say Falcons is quite
good at doing it but if it's damaging enough and if the vibes are bad enough
it's rough. However when you have a day to think about things and to talk about it
what team has more history of doing this? They went to it the one team in Dota
history that went to a TI lost stayed together us five and then won the next
one so they should hypothetically be resilient enough to deal with something
like this. Well draft is on the way and we have
Oscar getting first-feet banned against Falcons the classic
And then a more bristle back they they still only picked it was thinking so and you can see as well
They the Falcons even though they've been picking silencer. They've banned out the silence at this time. They obviously think it's really really good
So yeah, they don't want to see Panto silencer even though
It was it was shown a big weakness
Big weakness. He just cannot deal with summon heroes.
So last time Sonser was destroyed with Beastmaster first time and second time.
Like obviously showing the weakness of the hero, right?
I'm not sure if they still want to play it. History says he's still gonna play it.
It's six games in a row.
I understand just banning it because if the way to punish it is summons heroes,
Amar doesn't really play those. That was always the criticism of him for a very long time.
He does not play the summons so it does pretty much destroy all the other offlaners
It just doesn't feel good to play into silencer
Yeah, not that you mentioned it looks like a great ban actually. Yeah, yeah
I was I was in last three months like it's like I didn't realize he played it that many times in a row
And still with that many you know faster. He still has more different heroes than or equal to Falcon support
Oh
Has played four guys in this case he six hoda wink matches, and he's gonna be hoda wink again
How does he get away with that after all these years first the washing machine incident to now this
Unbelievable he does love this here. He plays that a lot in props to them
But the bay is surprising to me. I feel like this. This is like the counter teams period have thought of for pangol
generally not the worst but getting a grip off in the middle of a team fight is
really pretty hard it is a guy that's rolling in and the nice thing the nice
thing on pango you can just go for a lotus and then you turn the grip around
on bane which interrupts the grip and then you just keep rolling you don't
have that option against blood seeker because you have blood seeker will
rupture himself but you'll still get ruptured well I'd love to see more
things do this bullshit against pango it looks so good in the game it's the
it is the ultimate counter.
It kills the hero completely.
And
Laurel is one
person who I would say
will take the Monkey King mid.
When I was talking about that documentary, he was a big voice
in terms of, oh yeah, just give me this hero
mid. It's not a tiny patch
for a tiny mid, but I'll play tiny mid. It's not a monkey
king patch, but I'll play Monkey King mid.
He for sure does not
think in terms of what's broken right now.
He thinks of what's broken in matchups. He's one of the big voices
voices there so I could see it he loves to play monkey man are you always meet
again this guy and pops he's playing monkey pretty much like 70% of the time
I think he definitely enjoys playing this hero and falcons are still like so
spirit picks monkey king first then falcons picks pango and tiny both
heroes in my opinion suffer against the monkey so I feel like they're
shooting themselves in the foot by picking these heroes when this monkey
still open to go mid lane if there's a pango mid or a tiny mid which is not
seen this turn but it has been seen they're gonna have a big problem on
the mid lane when it comes to the matchup because monkey thrives and
lull is a good one. The big advantage Spirit has though or Falcons has is
they have last pick so if it's very obviously a monkey mid if they don't
pick like a carry that can also go mid or carry then you know Queen of Pain
as an option I would say it's looking more and more likely that spirit wants to
put monkey mid ideally if like cloth gets banned or some of these like typical
like monkey owners mid and cloth is the big one
cop is definitely a great option but vipers and not even or not manger can
sometimes have a good matchup against the cream it's I'm my opinion it's a
skill matchup you dodge that he dodged the screams but it's not a safe monkey
monkey go mid monkey bad no it's a it's it's a skill matchup where monkey can do
some Jingle's tax play and actually do great against Queen because he has no
armor I just wonder if it's worth putting monkey mid just to get a skill
match up though because wouldn't you want to do it wouldn't do it because it's
definitely hard for monkey to do that but there's a possibility it's not
that straight up it's it's in the cards it's in the cards yeah still
Last pick on Falcons, I'm surprised Queen has not been picked yet. Falcons usually tend to pick Queen in the first phase when it's available.
Maldorin, they did that a lot against Alchemist too.
My legacy spirit as well, just do what Liquid did to Omar, right? They've took out the Bristle, take out the tide as well.
Because he's saying they're the only two heroes I'm really playing right now.
It is true. He's played both heroes, I think in total of 7 to 8 times, so 4 and 4 and 4 and 3.
Speaking of shooting yourself on the foot, it's like...
Yeah, 4 games on BB, 4 games on fire.
He just says this in an interview and he's not kidding.
No, it's just what I mean, man.
It's serious.
It's what I said. It's like whenever he jokes, the kernel of truth is always there.
I think it's the whole nugget, you know?
Yeah, it gives me the whole thing.
The point is, it's just hilarious that he's just playing Tveros.
I mean, it's the personality of some of these players that have come into the scene the last few years.
They're very refreshing to play this way.
I mean, I love it. Usually players, they don't mention anything about the strats or the plans they have in the game,
but then our margins comes in and it's like, yes, I play BB every game, I play Tide every game.
And it's like, yeah, now some everybody knows what you're doing, they don't even have to make an effort.
He certainly does not care. Oh, no, he knows he's very confident and cocky
Not a bad thing by the way, no, not a bad thing
I mean if anything is he's literally one of those people he is no different from the shit-talking kid that got picked up by
OG
To now really I sleep smart. Yeah, exactly. He's we did tell us he's improved his diet health is better
Lesburg is more sleep, but I'm I'm glad happy to hear that. Yeah, he's very confident. I
Think cocky was a bad way to put it. I would say confident not high ego confidence and ego are two different things
You need confidence you need ego as well, but you cannot let it take over. No, definitely not
The band the second they're banging Malarine hero
Viper is
Malarine play Viper does it mean spirit is just gonna snipe the
the queen I mean if they do that in Falcons could ban they could take
pop they really want Queen against the tiny the tiny has it does have it does
have an insane yeah I mean for good reason to his queen always like goes
alone around the map trying to farm up when she gets algorithms and tiny to
this guy with shadow blade that has like 600 damage per hit just finds the
Queen somewhere stands for six seconds Queen disappears pretty much so I
wouldn't I wouldn't be so sure they won the Queen on Spirit. Falcons probably do
want the Queen of Pen. I mean you know what else is like a potential...
I'm just trying to think for Malarine like what what you have 24 pick me he
could just be pango they could just be doing the Falcons where they don't
really okay so they went for puck. Spirit picks the puck in anticipation of
of the queen being good. Now it feels bad to pick queen of pain. You can run the pango
mid though and just be fine and play some offlaner for Amar.
Yes. Puck against Tiny though, I feel like it's a similar situation to green of pain
where Tiny is very good against the puck since obviously you have two stunts that can last
up to five to six seconds if you chain them correctly and a lot of damage. And generally
last patch, when Tiny was played mostly mid, it was picked against the puck as a counter.
Then they go for mid pango.
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, we've talked about this matchup. It's between puck and pango.
Pango is fine in the game.
Pango, actually, has big advantage only.
Big advantage.
Big advantage only.
Okay.
and then the longer the game goes up until the puck is 25 that's when it completely turns around
but puck is generally good against pango in the game
but giving monkey free farm i don't know if you want to do that to yotu i think
doom is gonna probably struggle against the monkey with the bane at hand
the holding is pretty strong if i turn the match up but generally if they're left alone i think
monkey likes this matchup yeah i mean bane is such a good body here because i'm thinking like
If it's hoodwink doom and there's a weaker support you could probably punish the monkey just by
Stunning him inferno blading him and it's enough damage that he can't turn around and jingoo on you
But in this situation you have to get through a bane first
Like I know for a very long time when it was the hoodwinks the dark willows these like lane dominating four positions the counter to it was
Like nature's prophet or bane heroes that just man up against you high physical damage high armor
They just hit you hit you hit you hit you and if they kill the bane down here
I think monkey still free farms, and I think your tour was like more than happy in this game free for me
I mean, I'm just gonna assume this game is gonna go to 50 minutes
I think every game the series is gonna go to 50 minutes or like 45 and I think
Since might go there
Spirit is kind of favored. I feel like their cores are better puck in the league game
Of course invulnerable 99% how to even kill a guy was not even doesn't exist
And then monkey is just level 25. It's too strong. I'm gonna go with spirit
Just ask you about the doom pick as well. Yeah, how do you feel about it?
It's great against the puck if he can get the doom, but it's been known
Once the game progresses it gets harder to hard to do because again, he's literally vulnerable 99% of the time
He's off. He's out of the game doesn't exist. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, definitely favoring spirit if it goes late
really good against monkey and underlord like I was looking at the doom tiny
stats and doom is a really good win rate against timing just tiny besides despite
the status resistance just because of the raw percentage damage and I feel like
this is really good against monkey this is really good against underlord as well
so puck no bueno but the other two cores very good yeah as well tiny versus
monkey nothing monkey favorites okay well we've broke down what we think
about the draft. I'll throw you over the slacks on the sidelines.
Absolutely. That is right. We are here with Alley 2000, Big Goat of Dota, my friend.
You'll be in high stress in these elimination matches. This series, you are up against Team
Spirit, a very scary team. They picked Bane, so I'm wondering, what is your greatest
fear when it comes to these kind of events?
Well, I think most Dota people is like losing, but I think it's like losing to yourselves,
even more than your opponent.
Like these things you can like the high chest
and cause bad columns or like you don't get to play
your own game and that's when it feels worse.
Oh my God.
That was a really good answer.
Thank you, Maui.
Which hero do you think is the smelliest on your draft
if you smelled him in IRL?
Kind of say probably Doombringer.
They smell like fire, you know?
Who do you think, the furry?
Hoodwink, furry?
Absolutely, that's disgusting.
Let's talk a little bit about the match
If we could stay on topic that'd be really great. We're saying Pangalore picked up in every single game today of you
Of course have a level 30 Pangalore on Malrin. What do you think is it about this hero?
We are seeing this over and over again
Um, I mean he got he's faster. He just got some boss boss
So like there's no double BKB and he can have double row which is sort of stupid
And is there a good counter to that fast as you can? Bane? Bane?
Do you think that that's the ultimate counter to Pangalore? Probably not
You have to pick one counter to ping a leader that wasn't banged and you have to ask her as quick as you can
Who would it be like I'm bloodseeker pick bloodseeker last game. Let's see what's good. Is it better than bang?
Oh, is it better than doom?
Why didn't you pick doom? We have shit. All right. Well, thank you so much a great interview
Let's get over to the game. We're gonna throw it over to shit's fit
I am so sorry. We're gonna throw it on over to Sunspat
That was a great interview man oh man. Welcome to game one. That was like a
fails of the week intro outro all in one what a god.
Owie that is not. Yes of course of course goes without a second.
This should be I mean this you're looking at this matchup playoffs you
assume upper bracket no this is lower bracket believe it or not.
I know Spirit does have a stand-in, but still.
One of these teams will get 7th, 8th in this tournament.
What were your predictions?
I don't remember.
I think I had both Yandex and Tundra going deep,
so I was screwed after three days, basically.
That's on par.
So, I mean, what can you do?
Sometimes you're just wrong,
and when it comes to me, every time you're just wrong.
That's right.
I don't even know why I'm talking about the game.
I must be chronically cursed just be wrong about everything.
So who's gonna win this game?
Say it now.
No, I don't want to predict the player or team or anything.
Do it now.
I want to talk about something totally different, actually.
They didn't talk about this much on the panel.
I think the series yesterday is the hardest I've ever
seen Spirit lose a few of three.
I cannot remember a series where they got smashed that hard.
That boom obliterated them.
Neither game was even remotely close.
Just a complete smackdown.
And even with Spirit's history of being
able to turn around difficult games,
they didn't stand a chance. Falcons, they also got 2-0, but it was against the
Liquid team where game one was close and long, and I just think they had more,
showed more promise. So for me this, I don't really care about the drafts that
much right now. I want to see Spirit just get something going. I think in the
series against Betboom yesterday they, I don't know how many total kills they
got across those two games, but it was miserable. Nothing seemed to work
out. So let's see if they can just get off on the right foot, and then
Afterwards we can start looking at some more depth, but I the game where back to you cause on tide and died 20 times
No, that wasn't that serious that was better. Oh, yeah, that series went better for them
I mean considering how that series against bedroom went yesterday
It's kind of there's some serious curing in this tournament that those two teams meant in the upper bracket
And it was not even remotely close that boom just looked like beasts right now
Yeah, that boom are on another level for sure
But can they finish the job not for us to answer in this series because they're not playing here
Well, we see a bane
Elemental as a mark will take the first nightmare of the game probably not the first the first that I've seen
No, why is this here not pick more?
It's always solid
pain has some
It's like out of the let's say classic very popular old-school fives
I think it's the last one that doesn't have wave clear that genuinely is such a big part of it
Yes, you can buy the shard to have mediocre wave clear. You're paying 1,400 gold for like some meh
ability to kill creeps.
The other one though is the stereotypical wind lane farm nothing hero was undying and then they made decay do a lot of damage
to waves and have low cooldown so you can actually farm. And the reason that matters so much in modern Dota is the
math is big. There's a lot of downtime and you don't want to just default fall behind and have a few
utility items in the opponent. So Bane, I think you need to have a good reason because
because the hero will just never have three-digit CS even in long games,
which he doesn't farm.
There'll be a double-rood onto Skeeter, making a fade bolt,
which is very good against Tiny as we've established before.
And I do think it's a shame, because I love Vayne.
I think it's a very cool hero to watch.
I think there's some very high-skill expression in terms of positioning and nightmare usage.
I think it's one of the coolest saves in the game, because it's not really a save,
make some very clutch plays with it at the high level.
You can also fuck your team.
That's right.
That's why I love Wyvern.
One of my favorite heroes, and Oracle.
That game in the pit will drop to a crisp.
The Firestorm, Batyuk, with first blood.
Good to see for the, I mean, he's
fell on some enormous gargantuan shoes and collapse.
Yeah.
But he's looked pretty solid other than that one-tied game
which we won't discuss.
It's been a little bit of a mixed bag.
I definitely think it's been clear
that it's been an individual overall downgrade,
but it's hard to, like you said, it's hard to match.
It's not gonna be a downgrade.
But he has games where he looks, I would say,
very competitive with, you know,
this is world elite play, so,
and he hasn't played much tier one.
And then there's games where it's just, okay,
you can tell the inexperience really seeping through.
So, Cred.
Cred, taking happy damage, has to pump the fairy fires,
The balance strike did hit, and the last right click is enough for Panto to claim the squirrel,
which apparently is the worst smelling hero on the Radiant lineup.
That's probably Pangolier, if we're being honest, though.
Yeah, nice work.
It depends on how a demon smells, I guess.
Maybe it's Ench.
No.
You know, it's like, classically and traditionally in lore, when there's like a really beautiful
witch or whatever, and then when they drop their disguise, there's an absolutely
disgusting hag.
Maybe Enchantress is like that. It's all the enchantment and she's actually very gross. I see
No Panto on the run. I appreciate you listening. That's better than usual. Panto's dead
Malrin off to pretty good start 35 and 9 in fact all three cores off to pretty good starts for
The Falcon side at least is there a better mid pango in the world?
And if there is who is in connection when Callahan Quinn and
And Mikoto, I guess, also very, very good.
Taro, in a bit of trouble. Scorch Earth upon him with the infernal blade as well.
Is he actually just gonna tick out here?
What? Uh, okay.
I'm not understanding what I'm seeing.
Fall on the pushwack time, man.
Okay, then he dies.
All right, when they get the kill one way or another, is Panto.
Under the cover of the tier one, Amar.
He gets telekinesis by Rue. The last right click, not enough.
Amar will live.
This is just a try v try all of a sudden bushwhack on the rubik crit. That's his best hero for sure right now
Ru's gonna get away
Heavy damage to the tier one here. There was meaning to that though. The reason the Mar was kept inching away was he had three stacks on him
Of Jingu so he needs to make sure yatora doesn't get the fourth hit. So he was like edging away narrowly
Pretty clutch situation, but yeah with it yatora trying to jump back in again and get bushwhack that looks stupid
But from his perspective it made a ton of sense the way he played that just lacked the critical information about the hoodwink's position
So I could punish overall there from Falcons finding the killing enemy carry
Still relatively stable overall and I would say when it comes to Laurel and I think about this player
He has never been
Like an excellent laner. I don't think that's his primary skill set
So whenever Laurel is drawing his lane or only losing it slightly in either an unfavorable matchup or an even one
I think that's good enough for spirit. Never been a dominator. He's just super good at playing
Sacrificial mid so where he's either picked into a bad matchup or playing slightly behind and he's very good at making moves with the team
So what I'm getting at is he's drawing basically with Malorin's pango and we hot as he pointed out
Says this is a good lane matchup for pango. So my extension Laurel is doing very well
into Mal'Reen. Mal'Reen even with a kill. And there even.
Yep, on a support but still a kill.
What do you think of Doom this game?
Uh...
I talked about the matchup with Puck Lake being, you know, hard to get that up.
What about the rest? You can't heal with Jingu.
He's very good against Monkey King later in the game.
Getting Doom'd is just awful for that hero.
Which is funny because old school, not the case.
It was way better in the past but not being able to heal and I think something as simple as not being able to use
Changing of the guard actually really sucks. Yeah, sure
When you're old and you get doomed you can't reposition so you're actually stuck in place
You're gonna get killed by the heroes that have the ability to do so
I think this year was also great against Underlord
Sure, if he goes in or ability can activate his auras, but like
Jenkins pointed out percentage based damage is has always been a very strong solution to underlord because he's big and beefy
And you just want to chunk him down
Think it's a good pick and a mar, you know greedy off laner fiends gate place
If they put a mar in a precarious spot under the tier 2 tower
He's gonna use the deal on the monkey king with a mar gets absolutely destroyed and Mars probably like
Five euros here minute nine. That's quite the commitment. They know who the carry is though. Yeah, that's right
Skeeter is just
Mirage yeah, don't worry about the tiny you can let him free farm. It's surely not gonna be a problem
What is tiny's win rate at this tournament? It's offhand. It's pretty solid
It's been picked a lot. It's I want to say it's like 60 would be my guess
But there's also been some I want to say 60 in the carry position
This is the overall win rate, but I think there's been one or two mid games that didn't go well
So I would say 60 on Kerry is my
Gut feel it's it's a very strong
And I would not advise
You don't have to worry about it.
I have a lanched toss with the rolling thunder, Rubik.
Eventually we'll fall surely, doing a nice ring around the Rosie, but only so much you can do.
I'm snaking with his Alpha Wolf, going to pressure this Tier 1 tower.
Falcons are very good at doing this when they're playing Ench.
I think they maybe play better than any other team around Catapults.
So, you saw the top Tier 1 tower fell really early with the 5 minute Catapult, and now the mid one with the 10-minuteer.
So, really well done.
Might cost a little bit of a casualty in the hoodwink.
Indeed.
Well worth it.
The limit.
OK, the way Falcons have played Enchantress for years
is these early movements that take towers and then snaking
will farm the enemy side of the map.
And if he gets ganked, he's like, whatever, I'm a five.
And if he doesn't get ganked, he's suddenly the fourth core of the game.
So it's like, damn it if you do, damn it if you don't kind of situation.
That's why defending these early towers is imperative, and I already think Falcons are in a very commanding position.
We're only 11 minutes in. I know it's just 2k, but knowing this team and knowing how they play the map with these heroes,
losing these towers is a massive detriment.
Do you actually go in Radiance on Doom?
That's pretty high, if so.
Classic of Mawr.
You can't take apart items anymore.
I guess that was gyro. This is more you sell items or 90% value, whatever it was.
Just surprised he's not bach mitis
If you want to go awesome if you want to go farm heavy, you know
He's setting up for the level 25 scorch earth permanent talent
So radiance plus scorch earth all the time not bad. It's just it's a mar if he's going greedy
He likes bach mitis. I don't think it's really that good undo him anymore comparatively, but
If anyone were to do it it would be him
Oh, Laurel actually died there for Malorraine.
Not a killer I was expecting, Malorraine and Snake King together.
We'll find a kill on the puck. Skitter is playing PB.
Oh boy, another Doom Reserve for Monkey King and this time it will result in a kill for Amar.
I'm going to see the ATOS early pickup.
That's the double root onto the Enchantress. They can't quite finish.
does die to the firestorm in the end. So, another couple of pick offs there for Falcons,
Mal'Rain, his ult not really getting great effect out of it. He does have Diffusal Blade
now, he's going to opt for the Shard first. And yeah, this is the build that I was interested
in. So it is an ATOS into the Agz and then Shard for the Underlord, being able to put
the firestorm on either Monkey King or Huck, pretty damn good.
Yeah, it's not that great of a pipe game for once. So, like what are you buying
that against?
Sure, Tiny has some magic damage, but he's largely physical, Pango is purely physical, and in both instances, Crimson Guard is actually not that great.
Yeah, you kind of have this, I want to say, almost exceptionally rare game for me on Unlord, where I don't like any of the two Aura's pipe or Crimson.
I do like that he's going Ato's axe, but when you do go this build, it does put you in a position where you would like to skirmish a bit more, maybe farm a bit less.
So look for him to combine with Laurel in smaller scale plays and leveraging this Atos purchase.
Also a good item against Pango, of course.
Yeah, he can still go on Aura later on in AC, which I think is very good this game.
AC is good.
That's obviously a later thing.
Yeah.
AC Vlad.
I mean, is there a world where you could go AC Vlad's axe?
I don't know.
Vlad's is maybe decent.
Maybe that's something you could do.
But...
You could go to Vlad's, you do it early though, no?
Yeah, right, that's what I'm saying.
Then you don't go Atos.
then I think you would have gone Blad's rush into AC, but bad.
I mean, the double root against three melee cores.
It's good.
And you could maybe even consider Glidener in this game.
I think that wouldn't be all that bad.
Underlord, one of the heroes that you would think
actually would love the casual chasm stone
with these two spells.
We're not seeing that all too often.
Snake Inc gets caught, double rooted.
It's going to be a triple root pretty soon.
easy to pick off. I'm surprised Spirit aren't falling further behind on net worth given the
game state, so props to them for keeping this at a roughly 2k disadvantage. That's because
Doom is saving for a sacred relic as we talked about. That definitely is a part of it. If
MR had gone smaller items you would have a little more net worth but the payoff is going
to be all that much greater when he finally does get there. I mean that's the one
downside with the Spirit lineup is it's harder to make moves when you don't have an off-laner
that's a true initiator until you get aggs and then you can do it globally which is great.
And also their damage just isn't that inspiring.
Like puck, the damage starts coming out when you get the Witchblade as that was flying
out now, it is, so he's going to have that now which will be a big help, but until
this point the support duo don't do that much damage unless you steal a really key
ability.
Yeah, there's no like obvious place for Puck early, I think.
Good enough time though, just to get easier, potentially.
Yep, and on the other side, Skeeter, the usual Ekko Saber into Shadowblade, Maureen.
We already talked about the Diffusal, but it will be a blink.
Now that he has his shard already.
I had one swashbuckle on Puck and it did like 750 damage and burned a third of his mana.
How is this...
Puck is already too good, alright.
Nah, I mean, I don't mind the puck is seeing some heat. That's fine with me.
It's just the current version of Swashbuckledome is just insane.
Absolutely crazy stuff.
Another setup. Nightmare are gonna give enough time for Fiend's Gate to come through.
There's a play. That's nice.
Yeah, he's gonna lose a bit of gold here.
Not that much actually.
We'll steal the Scorch here.
We'll put 600 away for finishing Radiance.
This is an early shard on Underlord 2, so very good output when you do make these connections.
I'm about to use the bottom he's trying now absolutely man to speak up so Rubik is nearby
but I don't think that's gonna change anything sharp shooter now ring claims another kill for
himself he's found the best tier one neutral and pango by far a possessed mask heals you
for a flat amount every attack which obviously has crazy synergy with swashbuckle that's
nice I don't know how much you heal when you hit a full wave if it's for creeps
and you hit is it four times three strikes it used to be Panto he's found
Adatoss not enough it's off the nightmare oh the swash or the push
whack rather from crit it's gonna end up trading lives looks like but I
remember the item that we were talking about in the other game yeah mine breakers
That's right great item
It was very very strong on specific heroes
Was it it gave it had the silence and then the the guaranteed proc was magic damage per hit
Yep, right which worked on each swash. Yeah, and swashbuckle back then had four strikes instead of three
Change to do fewer strikes, but more flat damage. That was one of the ways he got nerfed
when it was the hero because people were just rushing to fusel and it was even
better than it is now. It's hard to imagine but it's in a strong place once
more. You got spotted. Telekinesis not gonna do too much for you. Amar shows up
with the Radiance Burn. I love this build. This is why Amar is one of the
most entertaining players of all time, not just in modern day Dota. I
I absolutely love this. It's a beans grip onto the pango. We talked about this and a nice setup for the pit as well
But Malrin's gonna actually survive. In fact, it's Skeeter that might trade his life for it. Indeed, that is the case
Yotaro turns into a soldier
Osler pucking the midst of all of this and yeah, Yotaro gets to the high ground
But Malrin catches up, Jinx, who stacks her there, but the swash is enough and three dead for spirit
It was looking like a decent start to that fight, but yeah
Skeeter ends up trading his life away, but it ends up being I mean that feels like Skeeter written all over it anyway
Yeah
The real carry is Amar and Mallory. I think you see the problem there with spirits hero composition right now
They had a full duration fiends grip on the pangor old. They can't kill him
Yeah, so he ended up like you said not even dying
Five seconds grip not enough monkey king just doesn't have the output yet
and
Yeah, sure they do get the tiny but that is a very very bad trade
They had to pay a way too high a price and yes if skater is gonna trade his life away
I think what's so cool about a mark is that?
It's one thing for an offlaner to just play greedy and have this like focus on himself in his builds
It's just he's also very innovative right as we've seen so many
Heroes rise to prominence because a marsh it was what they're capable of he loves buying items that know of the player
Byes the Toro loves getting killed. Oh boy
Unfortunately, no one, he just got soloed.
That's a back-to-back death.
Amp damage pango, Doom didn't even need to get involved.
And the trade is going to potentially be in the Enchanges, which they can't even bring to half HP.
This is level 2 heal only, it's only going to get worse from here.
Classic snaking situation.
AP lead for fountains.
And remember, not that Amar hasn't been fighting at all, he's showed up a couple of times,
but for the most part, he's been developing this Radiance, which is now starting to pay off.
off, us looking good, Roman Bonser, and Batyuk gets sharpshootered and destroyed. Root gonna
get killed as well with the Swashbuckler to follow, Laurel is there, there's the fiends
griff again, can they actually kill Mallory, he gets off the shield crash and this coil
is not gonna lead to much it seems, good attempt on the avalanche is Laurel on the
run, whole face shift out, swashbuckled a lot of damage there, and that's gonna
be the death of the puck as well. Spirit just can't get anything going.
Yeah. It's a bit reminiscent of the BitBoom series from yesterday so far.
Just that Spirit have a few more kills this time around but they're still getting absolutely trashed
in the early portion of the game and this team over its many years of success has been probably
the single best team in the world at coming back from bad situations.
I haven't felt that vibe in the last half a year. I just think the
Whether it's the game that changed or other teams got better at it or whatnot these magical spirit comebacks
Just don't happen as much anymore. Maybe Miposhka was integral to it
Who knows there's like a could be multiple different reasons, but this this position that this team is in this
Well at the very least you can always rely on collapse stealing ages if they're gonna kill off that you
with the bane as well and nothing absolutely nothing going spirits way
right now yeah you don't have to collapse so that free ages steal per series he
averages one at least in the best of three something you just count out now
a mar with a bkb he continues the pressure under ruby but the swashbuckle
was stolen still focus just do whatever the hell they want while really wants to
I mean, it's not even remote close. It's a shame, you know, that when these two teams faced off over the years, a lot of the time it led to, as the panel's talking about, really close and exciting late games, we how was expecting every game in the series to go 50 minutes, I'm not getting that vibe here, man.
And after yesterday, I can't say I'm too surprised.
Spirits are just not in form, is probably the way to put it.
And they have about this game and one more to wake up before it's too late.
So it's time to figure it out.
And on the flip side, Falcons, this is one of the best teams that are
recovering from losses when they have a day in between.
I feel like they do a very good job at recognizing what went wrong,
make some adjustments.
Thank you, AUI 2000.
Yeah, a big part of it for sure, and they've done their homework and prepped for the series.
This is a very cleanly played game so far, no major, no major hiccups, no major mistakes,
good laning.
Trying to go for a more balanced strike, just not hit though.
They can't kill him without bangriff.
Just BKB in a runaway if he wants to.
That was all five.
Five man rotation for nothing, yeah.
It's rough.
You know, if you want to look at the positive spin on this game, it's all Falcons,
So they're playing great, I think all of their players are doing what they're supposed to
do, solid execution of the strategy and the jobs.
They did straight out the gates, good laning into good movement with especially the inch,
I think has been, I think the first 10 minutes of this game were incredibly important even
though it was too daily.
I guess just so much of what's happened subsequently has been because mid and top tower were
gone so early, we're just going to die here again.
Yes, courtesy of and to add insult to injury Falcons about to have a huge power spike
So you got eggs on Malorraine and you about to have double BKB flow Steeter and a mark
Yeah, and what do you have you have eggs now on underlord which gets countered by the BKBs
So your item does not have
All that much value right now. I
With that said, I I don't mind the build. I think it makes sense
But it certainly is a problem that these it feels like butchers is itemizing to
Solve problems rather than create problems
So motion number one will go the way of falcons contested unsurprisingly yep
We put you the ages on here there's
Wonder okay. Well not now rain cuz he left. I would have put on now rain
It hasn't died yet though, 6 and 0.
Typically you put on tiny, if you're actually going for high ground, which is unlikely with this AHS thing.
And with Falcons.
Yeah, that's even more so the case probably.
But they have been, I would say over the last, let's say half year or whatever they are.
I feel like they've been trying to ramp it up a little bit with closing games out.
And I don't I think what's interesting about that is I don't necessarily view that as a
Showing of strength and a major improvement for the team because I think the way they were winning games before it was methodically very good
That look right. It was just not that interesting to watch necessarily them close out the map
No, that does not look right that this feels like 90 10 right now
Yeah, if probably more but I think it's also that the economy and the game state is one thing
But obviously what factors in our bias is that what the teams have shown so far in the game
Or it's like you can look at this in a vacuum and then you let the best team in the world play both lineups
Maybe the time only thunder goodbye, but these teams are not at the same level today so far
There is one team that has shown up in
this game
Yeah, they are continuing to just run the show ours working on the
Shiva's now
Big fat pit not talking about the hero does that increase they should increase items to right like radiance
The chasm stone. Yeah, I think so. It's all a we right just as area for that. Yeah
Okay, so radiant scorched earth
Very big range and then he's gonna go for ag so even bigger range for the a we do. Yeah
very
Yitoro has to go through the gate just to avoid.
It was actually close to being doomed there, Amar was running over because he has a ward
on the gate.
It's gone full duration here, it's about to expire from Falcons, but they don't really
need to play up there anymore.
Yitoro, I believe he has BKB on the way.
Yes.
Okay, so this is-
So he can technically fight?
Yeah.
The problem is your mid has died five times.
And your Ruvik is dead.
Nightmare and you're paying
Actually use the fiends get and the fiends grip onto Malarine's out of mana now thanks to that with the wukong's command double
Boundless as well. They lose Malarine to start. They lose the tiny. That's life number one
Spirit showing some signs of life here. They will TP out at least for the puck great play from Panto
That was very important. He gets off and nightmare on the rubik during the avatars
so he doesn't die immediately it forces falcons or rather it baits them to
overextend looking for the kill and then he gets the grip on pango that could not
have been played any better by the bane so heads up from him finally something
good for spirit it's not a game changer but it's a stepping stone he was
seven announced that is a killing spree there yeah who got the kill it's
Toro, all right, pretty much the perfect outcome.
And he's working on Silver Edge, it seems.
Crit is on his tail here.
He's going to find him.
Yes, he does.
Bushwack hits.
And here comes Amar TP attempt.
TP successful.
They forced that out.
It's the first DKB user, just now it's down to eight.
Just a recipe away now for Mark.
Panto trying to be cured here, stealing the wisdom but already taken by Crit, fortunately
for Panto though Crit doesn't see him.
Otherwise he could just call over reinforcements and kill him but I would imagine Panto just
waddles away.
See the issue with Amar being so entertaining is people try to replicate this, myself included.
And you just grief by being too greedy in off lane specifically.
Yeah.
Not everybody can be Amar.
It takes the right team as well for that.
That's true, he was on OG.
I mean they had found success, they won a tournament together.
It was PGL Arlington if I'm not mistaken.
Toro in the tree line. Not gonna be spotted here by Skeeter
It seems Gret with the initiation from Batyuk as well onto Malrin. Can they get another kill onto him?
It's looking pretty good here. So back-to-back deaths for Malrin
Setting him back just a bit. Only traded is the Rubik. As Amar
How the hell did he get up there?
He went to solo kill the Rubik, got telekinesis up to the high ground and then cast Doom and then Rubik died
and burned out to the doom and then got four steps down play.
So I see, thank you. That's a good play by play.
Very welcome. All right, here comes skater.
Gonna find himself a little nightmare is Bane.
Uh-oh, don't look Nass in the ring.
Not looking.
Skater about to finish Harpoon, your least favorite item of the game now.
Let's just not try to control your rage, please.
Next time he uses on a tree.
What are you talking about?
It needs to be Mayday range.
That's not what anybody said.
500 is too low.
Keep it as is, Valve.
Don't listen to Cinderan.
Don't let him ruin your beautiful game.
I'm so sorry for ruining the game.
You ruined tier 5s?
That's for sure.
I've seen them like five times.
I'm holding you personally responsible for the tier 5
state that we're at right now.
OK.
I think a lot of people will be very happy with that.
Thank you so much.
I don't think that's true. I think a lot of times people will disagree with me. I understand that I can take I can have hot takes
This is not one of them though
people like to your fives
They're fun, or they were sorry past town
Skater hits like a truck
Amp, you know true and he has
900 damage, I mean it's the I think it's the vet and the morphling maybe morph tiny and terror blade
It's a big threat.
Well, the fact that you're getting the magic damage aspect out of it as well, Skeeter, on
the backside, will get a couple right clicks onto Batyuk.
They're focusing on the Enchantress, Telekinesis, into the Pit Lord, Pit, as the Sharpshooter
comes out and takes out Panto.
In the meantime, you can see Skeeter just right-clicking, doing so much damage to her.
Those have the Jingu stacks up, though, inside that Wukongus command.
The Avalanche finds the fuck, and that is enough damage.
Eater just deletes poor Laurel yet again the only remaining member for spirit is Yatoro
Fortunately has a shadow blade so he gets out otherwise who would have been run down and it would have been a full white with doom
unspent in that fight from a mar
Yeah, true, and it is high ground time. They have the banner
Oh wait, that's not the banner. That's just a flat is a banner
I was like, huh?
What have been a weird placement to say the least but not the banner that's for tier four is the creep wave banner
Looks like a lane. Yeah
Sure does
Never mind. Okay
All right, really respecting potential counterplay eventually I think that was a gimme
I mean that that's a pick up a tree and just whack these racks down right there
That's Balkans for you. I mean back in the green room. Richard is probably malding right now
Now, cowards, he says, cowards.
And if they see any play potential from Spirit there, I get it.
But I think with the Bioback or Respawn Timers being like 20 seconds on,
I feel like that was pretty damn safe.
So even for Falcon standards, that was a little bit cowardly actually.
Oh, wow, look at the city view.
I mean, I have to use the terminology, right?
It's apparently where we're at.
All right, Monkey King, looking for a backstab.
Unfortunately for him, Amar stands in the way here, but he's going to get connected with the Bane.
Gatoro continuing on, we'll catch a glimpse of Amar.
Shadowblade's expiring now, it needs to hide. Oh, they see him now.
Yeah, they see that they see that they see them, Cinderan and Amar. We'll get out.
Panto will.
Panto will be greeted by a rock.
Castle, Amar, like it.
Looks like a free tormentor for Falcons now. Yeah
Pretty straightforward
Root will this be us. Oh, yeah, they should see that right? I think you see that on
Don't think so. Maybe not last try. Yeah, good attempt. They will see the fatefuls. Oh
Oh, we get stopped
That's the time that Marvel solo Laurel. Oh
Wow, dooming a puck, very difficult they said, very, very hard to accomplish.
It's hard late game, but not right now.
He's got Blink on Doom.
Well it's late game for Amar already, look at his items for God's sake.
Ridiculous.
It doesn't mean it's late game for the puck.
Still the laning stage for Laurel.
Alright, high ground time here.
Gonna continue out, imagine, into mid.
They can wait for Roche, which is also completely fine, but Skidder is on the move.
It's building time. Panto tries to go for something. It's gonna cost them.
Sharp Shooter off the mark, Yatoro shows up basically all alone.
Pantano will come and stand by back onto the vein.
On the outskirts now, Crit and company will make it away safely.
That's a big ol' down now as Panto is gonna get dieback for him.
he gets burned to a crisp yeah you put the
Wukong's command but you have no way of
containing the enemy heroes when they
pop BKB and they just run out without
the grip there nice and easy disengage
Dawkins take another big win and now
Roche is spawning in 15 seconds so if
only they check there's no and with
Aegis in hand skater is going to be
borderline invincible going next
high grounds they have such a hard
time killing him once. So twice will be a toll order.
Indubitably, eh? Yes.
Octurine next on the menu for Amar. Yep, basically has it.
Pretty close. Not feeling the need for a refresher yet.
No, he doesn't even have a Midas for his Octurine, but it stops the Nyscrawl as
other stuff.
I find back you, cancel his TP, easy kill.
It's actually, we haven't talked about this, but I think part of Spirit's strategy in this game is trying to mitigate Tiny's damage with Atrofia aura plus Enfeeble in combination.
That's a good point, yeah, that's kind of interesting.
But it just doesn't really matter when he has BKB.
Outside of BKB, Skater can actually do almost zero damage with both abilities present,
But it's like you get the idea, but you never get to see it in
in play much
Because the lead is this astronomical now if it weren't then maybe skitter
You know it could be expires without them already winning the fight you get the abilities on him and suddenly he's just there
so I kind of I kind of like the idea of it a lot in theory, but
You don't really get to implement it then it's not as cool. Here goes Roshan number two
to the bird team, and okay, skater, make a slot, there we go.
R didn't even bother showing up, hunting instead as an orchid for snagging, my goodness, talk
about luxury, he's got Hurricane Pike drums and orchid.
Yeah, Puck doesn't have Lincoln's or Ewell's yet, so.
Oh, did he actually want to go for this?
He gets the break.
There's a Hurricane Pike Houston just getting bounced left and right. They do find Bambi.
And a doom. Not quite enough, although he might take out the Balthan.
She just comes out in front of Lady Cancel, Yatoro's ult finally gets it up with a BKB.
The rest of Balthan is just on the outskirts. She's waited out. The TP is successful for Yatoro.
Underwater probably didn't want to arrive there.
Yeah, but you did not get the memo that they were not fighting because they're all dead.
And Laurel got soloed by Skidder on the right side of the map before the fight broke out.
So, yeah. Okay.
Time to hit some buildings.
The classic snaking dies, but for what?
Situation. On edge.
Yeah, it also takes a while, even with the break.
Yeah, she's pretty tanky as Pike and 2500 HP.
Alright, how many lanes are we looking at here?
It's a full 50 seconds on under
Given that they still have ages I don't think they're gonna back out this time. Oh, it is Falcon see never none. Yeah, they just have no reason to
There's nobody who's gonna be able to kill this tiny twice
Some in feeble instilotus. There we go back to the 700 damage
Skeeter also has the flares Bota, which is insane on this hero 15% base damage and 30 attack speed when activated
He also has a tree.
Yeah, that's true.
Nightmare tried a delay, but again, they have answers.
Rolling Thunder ready to go.
Opting not to use it yet.
Five seconds for Underless, they will have five here.
Yeah, they just give up the two sets and Falcons reset
and the crazy thing is they still have three minutes on the age.
They didn't use anything, they can just go top.
They still have Link Doom as well.
I'm not thinking about it.
They can connect with the wave and...
They have a nice injection of gold. Perhaps there's some items they'd like to complete. Dispersers there for now, Reenel.
Worth mentioning, of course, this core is 1337. Just need to throw that out there.
Oh, nice.
It's important to remember that.
A lot of people don't know what that means.
Gotta focus on the meme numbers here.
Not a very elite showing for spirit though.
Well, that's fair.
Skeeter, let's get the last damper spirit, surely.
They need something to go right.
Who's gonna destroy the banner?
Somebody's gotta do it.
Oh, let's toss in a little snaking.
Yeah, that's okay. He's got sproing,
because the Maher jumps in, goes for the doom onto Yatoro.
Canceled it.
The pit comes out from back to you,
and the Maher actually melts.
That's a lot of damage, but it's gonna cost them Yatoro,
and he has no buyback.
So with that, the buyback comes out from Amar as a full fiend's grip.
The duration on Mal'Rain seems to matter very little in the grand scheme of things.
They will use Aegis.
And yeah, now that Amar is reconnecting, he has Doom still.
Any kill here is going to be a crippling blow to Spirit without their carry for another
minute plus.
There's the Jumper from Mal-Rain, and Amar goes for the Doom onto the Underlord, and
the Burn is just too much to handle.
Skeeter with half HP, but they don't have any damage left.
Laurel, on the outskirts of his base, it's just a time to call it, ladies and gentlemen.
I went three dead for spirit. Game one, an absolute stomp for Falcons.
A 40 minute stomping indeed.
Yeah, Falcons went 40 minutes.
For comparison, Spirit's game durations yesterday against Bedroom.
38 and 34 minutes respectively.
So we're in the wheelhouse.
Yeah, the Falcons are slower.
A little bit slower.
Also, kind of sad for Spirit to be reduced to a how fast can you beat them kind of team?
Still not calling GGs here. I mean, Yotaro's still dead for 8 seconds.
Doing some fountain farming now. There's the orchid with the impetus. Damage.
Huck takes the tumble. But don't worry, Yotaro's back.
GGs called Falcons. Dominate.
There's not really much to say about this game.
I feel like Falcons just smashed their lanes, the mid game made good moves, bought the right
items and this was easy, which is worrying for Spirit in game 2.
Yep, I feel like this was very unexpected, Richard.
It was unexpected by me.
I was totally wrong in my assessment of this game and where the two teams were.
Weha on the other hand nearly had it completely correct, although you did say this was
going to go to about 50 minutes.
Falcons dominated so much.
They got out of there pretty quickly.
Based on Team Spirit's performance, yeah, it did not go 50 minutes, but even to me this
was a complete stump from Falcons, and this is also the spirit we have seen in this tournament.
I feel like most of the games go like this.
Again, I'm not sure identity issue or something, but this team has been struggling quite
hard.
It just shows in this game.
Of course, Falcons being the reason they are, it took them 40 minutes to end this game,
but if Spirit did put up at least a little bit better of a fight, this could be a league of 15 minutes.
Yeah, I agree. I mean, we're going to watch a lot of highlights here of non-laning stage, you know, already 15k,
Gold lead on Falcons.
I agree with Sindarin, like everything after this point was just kind of,
Maybe not Falcons playing with their food, but doing what they normally do, which is not the very risky
and pushing high ground, ending the game and just kind of starving the enemy team out.
We shouldn't forget that Falcons is a very good laning team.
It's just the teams have gotten so good at laning as well that it is almost never an issue
when they're playing against like the top six, top eight teams in the world, but they're very good at laning.
That's what happened in this game. There were some really nice plays from like Crit in particular.
you know, uh, catching Yatoro as he's like jumping between trees with
with the bush whack, you know, things like that where like Yatoro, if he connects with the tree jump like he's going to get a kill
there's little high skill things like that where you get a kill here or there
He transitioned into a big gold lead and he's choking out the map. Just a classic Falcons victory
Do you think they're choking out the map? I think they're just greedy. I think these three Falcons are just, they just love farming man
They just love like getting camp after camp way better way. They don't even care about wing this game to me
It looks like they just want to farm you guys you were thinking they're choking them up
No, I feel like they're just
Farming for that. They're choking out the jungle creeps and getting that juicy gold bounty. Yeah, I mean I'm modeling for Titan radiance
Basically understands
The way teams pretty plays and it's like I don't care. I'm just gonna go late
I'm just gonna buy regions for a side amount classic. I mean looking back at team spirits history, which you know even with
Stand-ins even with replacing certain players
They have always had this identity of like they will never call GG
You know it literally takes you fountain diving them if they have a play option in the game to exhaust
They will exhaust it and they'll usually do a very good job at like connecting on those play options even from a massive gold
Deficit so I suppose it kind of makes sense to just say all right
Well, we're just going to farm to a point where that is impossible for you to do because we have so much net worth I
Agree with you. I don't think Falcons is like talking between the course saying let's choke out the map
But I think the Mars having this idea on his own. He's like, they're they're gonna go late
We're gonna go late. I'm just gonna outfarm them and a good luck beating me when I have all these items
I'm like this historically that that's what Falcons have just done in patch after patch after patch, right?
Yeah, you know, we all remember the horror show of you know
when they were winning tournaments with three strength cores is 70 minute games.
They basically had it this game too.
Pango counts as like a melee strength tanky guy,
like three tanky cores is how they went and they did it again.
Yeah, but I will say in this instance,
I don't know, spirit zero resistance whatsoever.
I mean, it was just like over pretty much after the landing phase.
Once again, spirit has big problems right now.
generally in this tournament I don't want to be too pessimistic but when they
look like this in game one usually go to sink into just history saying yeah yeah
that's what happens yep I mean we take a look as well just to underline the
point Amar versus Yatoro here at 20 minutes this is an insane difference
between Offlaner and Kerry like if this was one off laner versus one off
laner sure it happens you tore was having a really rough time you know we
talked about this guy as like potentially greatest Oda player of all
time it's very unusual for him to have these games where things went really
rough once again I would like to shout out crit I think Amar and crit is like
when they're playing at a prime they are like one of the hardest lanes to
deal with you know we've talked about Panto maybe struggling a little bit on
this patch perhaps the previous patch of position fives dulled his senses a little bit and he
needs to go back to the drawing board and practice the laning a little bit more because if he's
like relying on he has to be silencer bane you know we're not in that jacquero tree
and protector patch where it's just a free win for for five positions now like you've
got to make those high skill plays the fairy fire baits so perhaps it is legitimately
just like a laning skill issue right now for these guys and here's the graph as well
at 30 minutes right yeah this is this is why I'm saying I feel like I'm not
look at my I'm not as 19k network yeah this is why he just this game for him it's
just him versus creeps like sure he finds some guy to do here and there but
it's not like he's actively looking for it he's basically just like even with
the inventory just running around from camp to camp where's the closest two
set of camps that I can go to. Yeah, that's pretty much the entire game plan, yeah. The
Radiance, I feel like Spirit has a big problem. I can't really tell, but obviously it's not
my job. That's why they have a coach. I feel like they need to revisit some game plans.
They need to change something. They've always been trying to do with all the different
heroes they've been trying on every single player. Yeah, I'm not feeling too confident
for Spirit right now. This is where Milan gets tested, I think, because Silent
had obviously a lot of experience of having these like downward trends and then bringing
the team up again. It's going to happen with any team, even like a world-class team. This
is when you need to have the practice of like doing that talk. I know Corbin does that too
for the team. I wonder if he's here, but these two guys in general need to go have
the talk with the team and figure things out.
Alright, thanks a lot guys. We're going to go to a break. We know that Spirit
using a standing but it looks like collapses here we'll see what happens after this
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Hey everybody, here with the pros
We have Sheber who is gonna give us
top five level 30 hero she has and a tip for each one.
Who's your least good level 30 hero?
My least good level 30 hero, probably right now,
Gikiro.
Gikiro, because he's ass.
He's got nothing to do with you.
Give me a Gikiro tip.
At the moment, I don't have Gikiro tips.
If you have Gikiro tips, please tell me,
because I need the Gikiro tips.
I really do need the Gikiro tips, because I suck.
Number four.
Number four will be Crystal Maiden.
Okay, Crystal Maiden.
Biggest tip, get your shark early, farm that gold.
Yeah, that's right, good for the boots and the lewaves.
Very good, and buffed now in the last patch.
All right, number three.
Number three will be the Lich.
Level 30 Lich.
The now that you deny is back on cooldown.
Every time, know the lay.
Get yourself every deny you can.
You can leave your lane for it if you need to,
or at least walk to the creep wave to get your denying.
Octurine core on Lich for that?
No.
OK.
Number two.
Number two at the moment will be Ancient Apparition.
Oh, that's your number two?
Yeah, got a name.
OK, OK, we got AA tip.
OK, it fell down from number one,
because Awee cold feet no longer a thing.
And Awee cold feet get level 25,
so you can get Awee cold feet.
That's of course great.
My main tip though is you have longer attack range than average.
Make sure you use that and harass and right click and be the menace you need to be.
Great advice for Elaine.
Alright, number one, cheaper level 30 hero.
Dark Willow.
Willow, yeah.
Alright, what's your tip?
My tip is actually opposite to integration where you can use your long range but on
Willow don't be afraid to get in there with your betlam and just sit in your W
and just make sure that everybody gets miserably lucky.
Okay, tips from Queen Sheever. There you have it my friends. Thanks for watching.
Welcome back a wonderful hype intro there. I hope the game delivers, but it might not spirit are at sixes and sevens as the kids say it is going to be a tall order for them.
come back in the series I think play in the way they did in Game 1.
I've just noticed something about Team Spirit yesterday as well.
Yataro has been struggling quite a lot on the lanes. Both two games yesterday for example
there was a game where they picked this Fluna for him in a matchup that's okay.
Four minutes in he's just hitting like creeps in the jungle. Unable to return back to lane
same was the game before that and now in the last game we saw he's playing this monkey again
struggling online not finding his place not necessarily his fault i think past heroes have
big part in this he's yesterday played two silencer against the day he's played the bane
i feel like these heroes are not necessarily the best in the patch you see like enchantress on
the other side securing the game for his carry i'm pretty sure Yator would love to have that
I think he would not mind.
Yeah, this is, I think, one part they should revisit in their game plan right now.
Kerry's loved getting the free-laning five positions.
The undying and the enchantresses of the world feel really good to play with.
You do need to give this guy a free-lane.
Yeah.
He's proven himself over and over again that he's able to carry games, he's able to have a lot of him back.
I gotta give more credit to the man as a d-man. Just give him a good lane. They're taking monkey again
I hope he sees a better partner in cases made this might
safe lane. We saw
The monkey in the tree earlier. I don't know
But yeah, I agree with you. I think right now without the playmaking of collapse. You've got to give you a total win
Yeah, they might think about putting the monkey mid this time against Malrin Pango monkey into Pango is a great matchup
I do want to talk about Falcos last game too. I feel like I didn't mention that all
The guys are looking good today compared to their other series
They're gonna get up and down some series. They look like they don't know what they're doing
They don't know what I thought it might be over film today because yesterday
If he just looked like whatever, you know, they lost that super long game
then they lost in like, what was it, like 37 minutes or something?
It seems like in this tournament specifically, it's always a 50-50 on which
falcon is going to show up today.
It seems like the good falcon showed up and spirit.
Yeah.
Classy.
They're in trouble.
Yeah, they're in trouble.
I like the idea of keeping the Laurel flex open because he's a great monkey.
He's so good at monkey.
You know he wants to play it.
He just wants an excuse to play it.
And going back to TI history, like Yatoro's greatest strength
is you can pick him something really late in the draft,
something that has a lot of pressure on his shoulders
to carry the game.
And he will do it.
If you just give him a game, he
can clutch it out in 1v5.
The only other player that's on par with this,
I would say, is like Satanic.
But Yatoro has a much deeper hero pool than Satanic.
That's why Yatoro is the goat, and Satanic still has to prove himself.
So I just love when Spirit is using that factor.
It's an advantage they have on other teams.
Phoenix started the event as one of the most contested
and then kind of teams have been moving away from it
and looking at some of these do more supports,
but still a very solid pick.
I do also want to talk about the bands. So, beside the Hosskar band, which is a respect to Malrin,
Spirit banned out BB Amar Zero and then Alchemist. So, I want to talk about Alchemist and Falcons banning Sardar, Bat and Lone Druid.
These heroes, in group stage, they kind of destroy everything. So, I feel like we're not going to see that much of these heroes.
I feel like these are going to kind of become the staple bands from now on, but things are going to look for, except when something changes mid-series, for example.
you know, meta evolves all the time in a tournament and during the middle of the series as well.
And they go for the Grimstroke against the Pangle. This time I think it's a better solution than the Bane they had.
Grim Phoenix is an interesting one because, I don't know, I mean these other Spirit heroes
don't have like a crazy amount of synergy with Grimstroke in terms of like doubling any ability
or even the Ink Swall on Monkey is, it's fine, it's not bad.
It's whatever.
but I'm looking for like an 18 pick that can use the Grimstroke fact and picking Tiny.
In some worlds, not good against Phoenix because it's very hard to hit the egg.
Tiny is a slow attack speed hero, but the current version of Tiny is kind of different.
You're applying to like Shadowblade around and Burst supports,
and Phoenix is very burstable and very worth bursting.
So I actually think this matchup with the current state of Tiny is not as bad for Tiny.
Also Falcons are having a repeat of last game's draft. Spirit changed things up a little bit.
I don't really like the fact that they went Puck last game in a bad Puck game when they saw the
final for example and they had the pangol which did very well on the lane against him. So I do
hope Spirit picks a better hero, a better matchup especially when you know it's most likely
gonna be a mid pangol because Malren is just a beast on this hero. He's level 30 on the
heroes so how can we go for the Mirana overall solid hero I feel I haven't seen
much of it in this tournament I think Parry played it quite a bit on Ducales
maybe yeah yeah it's definitely good under red to hero you now get like a
built-in attack modifier for extra damage it's a little bit weird of a
spell but it's very good for trading and then of course you have tiny
avatars into arrow combo that's super easy kills on the lane like this
This is how Falcons always played with Marana, they have some Naga set up for it on the laning stage.
Primal Beast, that's a solution to the panko.
But Yuke did play Primal once, I believe, the tournament.
So there's still an option of having Monkey mid or carry, Primal Beast off-lane or mid.
But overall, I think they dealt with the Spango pretty well.
They have Grim Ulti, they have Primal Beast Ulti.
I think there's a cool interaction with Grimstroke Soulbind and Primal Beast Ulti,
because when you use the Soulbind and the Primal Beast Ulti, I think the guy spins around or something,
he does like around the world or something.
I remember on Pudge, which is also a channeled ability,
if you dismembered not the primary target of the Primal Ult, but the other guy,
they would both be dismembered, but if you targeted the first guy,
You would interrupt both dismembers to dismember the second guy.
And then for some reason, the second one would also interrupt.
So you can grief or you can have it be like really, really strong.
I think they eventually fixed it.
So I'm curious, like if you primal two guys, how does that work?
Does it actually stun both heroes?
I think it does.
And it's funny that you mentioned that because that was in a period
that was actually playing professionally.
And I knew about that interaction.
And then I have to test out like 20, 30 different heroes.
I understand exactly how the ulti works and I don't grieve myself or my teammates in a real game.
Because who you click matters, right?
It matters so much, you could make the difference in a teamfight.
Didn't we have it in Fafa here as well?
We tested...
We tested Red Interaction with Centaur.
I know what you're thinking.
We were testing what abilities can save from Primal Ulti.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is, Centaur Kart cannot, Tusk Snowball cannot.
Like, pretty much nothing can save from Primal Ulti.
Shadow Demon and Prison can.
Yeah, there's a few... Dota is a weird game, man. It's a weird game. You just have to know each little interaction.
Yeah. Spirit-binding out the Viper from Ammar. Obviously Viper against Monkey, a good matchup.
I'm not sure how good it does on the offlane nowadays. I think it's pretty much like whatever.
But since Phoenix kind of enjoys playing into the Viper matchup, you just slow down his attack speed on level 3
because it's very hard for the Viper to play the lane.
And how comes for the Marth Timber?
He's a Timber player, so he's thinking about Timber against him. I think it's classic.
I don't think he values this hero anymore. We've seen it pick quite a bit in the group stage.
Not very successfully.
He even said...
It looks like they kind of got away from it.
He said it's trash in an interview.
I think it's trash, but since he is a Timber player, obviously he's going to think about the hero.
Yeah.
Generally how it works.
Now make sense. Go against Tiny, go against headwind. You can use your tree, you know, insta-cut the tree and get a timber chain target. It's always really nice.
That's where the bait comes in, and then you pick the timber, you go into the lane against Tiny, you get stunned at level 3 and you die and they're like, okay, the sphere's not that good.
Yeah.
You have a straight pit. It's pretty good to pack that. So they're thinking, they're keeping open the possibility of pango off lane.
So this is where we you know, we got to talk about clean and pain again
Still the pool they have 23 pick they just bam puck
Very good against pango mid not great against tiny as we've talked about
On the other hand it really good pick for Falcons. Yes
Only stun. I mean they have primal ulti, but other than that is like soul bind
I think and it doesn't really matter that much for Queen. She has a bikini. Yeah, I really care too much
Okay, so look over the queen themselves zero percent winning against tiny so far in this tournament a
Balds pick but it's pretty good against pangol still open on the pangol. So I'm not necessarily gonna have a great matchup
What could they do?
Ember spirit for an ember. Yeah, that's still available. It is the the parry classic that no one matchup against the queen
He loves to play
And the two spirits are all generally pretty good against the queen
definitely seeing them pick an Ember here I think it fits the line pretty well
and he can run to the back lines, find the Grimm, find the Phoenix before
the Higgs, be annoying to the primal. It's Malorraine and it's Falcon so there's
almost no point in suggesting the you know cool stuff like Nick's assassin
you know like if it was a team that was more experimental there's a lot of
cool stuff you can try against Quad mid but I feel like the most obvious one
he plays is just Ember Spirit. It's a super good matchup in the game against Monkey King too.
Actually that is one potential issue if you do that. Then you can Monkey mid and co-op safe lane.
They could, yeah. I don't think they're that comfortable at the moment to do that. I mean it
doesn't feel like they are, but that's definitely an option. At the same time Malry might just
ask for pango and go for Doom again. Exactly what they do because Doom is generally very good
against monkey and I think putting pango against the offlane monkey is worse than having mid pango
against the queen yeah mid you always just push out the wave and farm okay and it definitely looked
good last game I don't know if we can get away with the radiance again yeah well I mean how fast
they play we'll see stomp their lanes like we did last game I'm sure it's not gonna stop him by any means
but yeah I think if spirit doesn't have a wake-up call right now and start playing this game
like an actual team, focus on the lanes, do better on Yachtoro, I feel like they're just gonna, we're not gonna see them anymore.
Yeah, remind that this is of course a lower bracket game.
This is, this is it. I mean, the pressure is on.
The losing will be out.
Yeah, and I do worry for Spirit, is it, are they in a situation where the vibes are kind of off, they just want collapse back, you know, like that.
But if they check out at all, Falcons is on one today.
Like, Prime Falcons has shown up, and they are going to get destroyed.
But Team Spirit, historically, has been one of the most resilient teams in Dota history.
So if there's any team that can go between Game 1 and Game 2 and have a totally different
performance to me, it's Liquid and Spirit.
So I really hope for competitive sake that that Spirit is who shows up in this game.
Leaving the teams aside, purely based on draft, I would say Team Falcons, they definitely have the late game,
because I feel like the Doom is just too good of a pick.
The Doom will deal with the Monkey, Pango doesn't really care that much, sure there's a Primal,
he might have a bit of a difficult time rolling in, but then there's Tiny,
Tiny will make the difference against the Queen, it's going to be a rough one if it...
Probably going to go to 40-45 minutes again.
Well, we can get some insight into the draft, because once again, slacks is on the sidelines.
That's right my friends, we are here with Mr. Milan.
Good to see you again.
I want to know about the vibes on Team Spirit, my friend.
What is going on in that booth?
How are they feeling?
Is there confidence?
Is there worry?
What's up with the boys?
I feel like every time you get smashed, like three games in a row like we did, your confidence
is going to naturally get struck, but I feel like they're one of the best teams
I ever saw with the atmosphere wise and they help each other get up and I think I do a pretty good job about like
Trying to get people out of bad situations because it's just naturally for every human like if you get smashed like this
You're just gonna feel down no matter if you want and whatever you want before so, but I think we matters we
Drafted like call me. We drafted what we wanted. We knew what they're gonna get and like I think overall
We did a pretty good job like bouncing back
Yeah, I mean typically when I get smashed I bounce back all the time. It's a pretty good deal
But I'm good to see that you guys are also bouncing back as well
Let's talk a little bit about Grimstroke this hero typically is not picked in
Crusader or below without some real good single target stunts
I mean, it's a guarantee you guys seem to value it without very big ones
I would say of course the ultimate from primal, you know
Maybe quap dagger does the single target ability of the old really matter on that hero or is it all just a different kid?
It's like you should value both combinations like combination under the inks well
So you have like melees that go in and you should value the soul bind you should at least have one soul bind target
Or there's third option where you can pick it under like if enemy has like a this huge carry like muerta or shadow fiend
Like there's a third value. Well, I think this game we have pretty good melees under it
And we have soul bind plus power as it's like that's one of the best combos
Okay, cool. If you had to officially accept anybody in this building as a substitute for Team Spirit in the grand finals of this event
That's a bad choice. That's a bad choice, but that's okay. All right. There's a lot of real question for you
Selection slides. No, no, that's real question for you. It looked like you wanted to say something
The panel thought Falcons had a much better late game
Do you agree with this? Do you think that you guys can survive the early game with this draft because it is very you know
You need some space. I think we have a better leg in
Because we have like it's the past like I have whenever people discuss this
Like how I discuss it. I think in vacuum that both teams play well
With things go well for both teams and like your equal terms. Let's say I think we will have better leg in
Well looks like first blood is about to go. I mean we can watch it together
But I don't want to well know a virtualize. Let's cover that up right now and we'll go straight into the game
Don't look at that. Okay. Thank you
Thank you very much as we get into game number two poor Milan had to watch his team suffer first blood
spirit versus
The Falcons themselves says now cuz obviously with the 1-0 start. This is elimination series elimination game
for spirit who I
Think it's safe to say just didn't show up for that first game. Yeah, and I think Milan seemed very
realistic about that fact, just said, our last three games we got smashed, that was, I would
agree with that. But it's very good to hear that they're keeping the mental and they're
staying productive, they're doing their best. I think for any team, as you said, it's
always tough to lose that many games in a, I mean, it's three, right? But the way
they lost the games is what's tough. Losing three games in a row happens to many teams,
You can bounce back from that.
I'm not so worried about the score of that.
It's more how much can you transform your team quickly
without making massive changes, which I feel like they
haven't really done.
They're still mostly drafting the same things.
The panel is talking about pre-series that Spirit have
played a wide variety of heroes, but the essence of what
they're doing here seems fairly similar in style.
And I think it's tougher to make a big transformation
from a bad three losing streak into a good fourth game
without major overhaul of some kind.
And I don't really see it right now.
So first things first, let's get off to a good landing stage.
All right, that's been already tough in game one
and against Bat Boom they also got rolled.
So.
Yeah, let's talk about some of the heroes in the game.
So on your screen, snaking on his patented signature,
Marana, you're like,
is there anybody else even plays this here anymore?
not very many looks at more than anybody else doesn't have a traditional set up
for arrow but there's the bush whack there's avalanche toss helping out a bit
as well yep and on the other side cinder man you got the doom again yeah mar we'll
probably see a different build I assume but I mean similar matchup against the
monkey king at least not necessarily I think if the conditions are the same
why not why change a winning strategy I think last game they they got to farm
as much as they wanted, they got to play the map and decide what fights were taken.
So if this is going to go down a similar path, I don't see any reason to swap it out.
Now I'm not going to complain if he goes, say, a drums build or whatever.
I think that's fine, but knowing Amar, I think what this guy usually does.
Amar going drums?
Have we seen such a thing?
We have.
I think what he generally identifies is, what can I get away with, I think.
He's like he will build the greediest stuff that he can defend
So if he's like we're in a good position
He will buy greedy items if he feels like all right. We're losing early game too much
I cannot possibly get away with this he won't but rather than certain other offline players
Which is most of them will be like oh, I have a big advantage early
I'm gonna snowball the game through aggressive plays. I'm ours like I'll snowball the game through farming
And I mean who's to say what strategy is better
better. It's depending on the patch, depending on the matchups between the players and the
heroes and everything. It's way too much complexity in that, so if it works for him, why not?
As we look at the Klopp vs. Pango matchup again, it's similar to the first series that we
cast. And so far, Laurel off to a pretty good start, 19-4 vs. the 16-2, so just a slight
advantage.
I think this is Laurel's saying in game one that Laurel tends to not win lanes as much as certain other mid players.
That's not his main skill set.
I think this is his most dominant mid hero when it comes to actually winning lanes.
Queen of Pain is the one that he gets most true wins on.
Now, this is kind of a draw for now with Pango.
It seems to be the state of affairs when we've seen this match played by other players,
so probably pretty standard.
And I would imagine as pango gets more levels it gets harder and harder for co-op to truly
Twist the knife so
Unlikely to
Win it at this point by much. Yeah, but a lot of mainstays
We got hoodwink played again by crit now rain again on the pangos. We're gonna see panto
Likely die here crit fell first though pops the lotus to stay alive and now mar taking a beating from Yatoro
who is playing the monkey king again despite the last game not going so hot for the spirit side.
It's already better in the save lane. 2 for 1 trade.
Doom is going to lose a couple creeps here to his respawn timer, so
this should give Yatoro a much much better position in this lane. And of course,
I think a very big difference between this game and game one for spirit is I just think
I think Phoenix is top 3-5 in all of Dota right now, I don't know for me if Bane even
makes top 10, which is a shame to say because it's an old school classic Panto, one of the
best players in the world on it, I just don't think it's that good, sadly.
So they'll put it on the shelf for now.
I would imagine one of the big reasons they picked it is to counter the pango from
the last game, which they did get a few full duration grips, the issue was they
just didn't have damage.
So, do they have the answers to the pango now?
Because Soblin can be pretty damn good, but of course, you need a target.
They have Soblin and Pulverize.
I think it's decent options.
Now, Laura will take a lot of damage from that swash, but we'll continue with the Shadow Strike build.
Two levels on that right now.
I assume you stop at two.
If you go to one, two, it's generally two, one, four.
If you wanted to go the other route, you would go three, one, one,
and you generally do that if you're already winning the lane.
If you're drawing, there's not much point fit
because you're kind of just slowing down your own farm
and with how this lane has gone so far,
especially with Laurel having to go back to base,
that's not gonna happen at all.
Brett with a nice bushwhack
and I was gonna look at his inventory
to see if he had the chasm, whatever the hell it's called.
Is that?
Five minutes.
That bushwhack was absurd, that range isn't the same.
Yeah, it was.
How was that?
He put them on the edge, I think.
Man, he is a god tier hoodwink.
Yep.
Six minute power on, Malarine will get the shield rune.
He's gonna steal some farm as well.
Does hit level 64, Lara, who just hit it now.
Yep.
But it's another good early lead for Falcon, similar to game one.
Just things going better in spite of the two kills bottom that the atoro plus pantoline were able to get.
The swing around with the following kill on Phoenix kind of equalizes that
It just it seems like it's just tough for quap in this matchup to do enough damage
To threaten pango with the barrier like you're you're getting him into slightly uncomfortable territory
But you're missing like the last 10 15 percent to truly win the lane
So I wonder if cops can experiment with something that can get them there early with like different
itemization.
I just don't know what it would be.
But maybe part of the problem is that everybody by soul ring, right?
Maybe if you got faster treads, perhaps you could squeeze out a little more advantage.
Yeah, it could be.
As you tour up, you're going to get ganked, but there's more action from below as Rue
joins the party.
You get the silence onto Amar and the balance strike is enough for Malarine, trying to
get some revenge at Toro as the jingle stacks up snaking also here a lot of
right-click damage to Toro no balance strike for quite a while so they're
just gonna run him down double kill for Malorraine as I'll see if they run into
the Grimstroke they kind of do that's rude finally spotted banks well only
matter of time the Malorraine will not get the triple snaking will clean that
one up surprised Laurel didn't want to get involved though I had to check if
if you had TP ready, which you did.
Just didn't show up.
Amar, kind of bully him.
Yeah, fully he had that level six.
Yeah.
So far for Amar, he is going the same build it looks like.
But generally speaking, when, oh, hang on,
Satorra, he needs to be careful.
This cannot go wrong.
And the primal TPing him, it is a really long one,
so he ends up canceling it.
So I would say, generally speaking,
when Pango does early rotations,
I think it's really important that QWAP can match.
It's one thing that the lane is even, but if you're also either out of resources of TP on cooldown, Pango just gets way too much done.
Like that bottom movement.
Imagine if Queen of Pain can show up here with a sonic wave.
It is Kyrgyzstan monkey, or is not...
It is not Kyrgyzstan, but it's like not fucking me.
But do not fucking...
Yes, fucking. That's...
That's the strat.
MRDF is named that way for a reason.
Yeah, pretty much.
At the bottom lane we have some action.
Malrin gets caught off guard, so Yatoro gets some revenge there,
but MRDF is still level 5.
He used to kill this creepy...
There he goes.
He gets to level 6 just in time.
And that's going to be enough to take Yatoro out.
But the sonic wave, getting MRDF dangerously low.
Moonlight shadow for some cover.
Oh, get him out.
Shadow's right.
Just barely.
Denied?
Last took.
Denied, yes.
The thing is that Marmite might have actually survived, but it's better to deny it.
Yep, true.
Pulverize finding Tiny.
This is potentially a very big kill for Spirit.
He's all alone, Crit and Snake trying to connect, but a little too late to the party.
Okay.
Spirit, not too shabby.
They got a couple big kills.
Skitter showing up late to the party.
showing up late to the party. As a matter of fact, the party was over.
Uh, he showed up and the club was closed, but the bouncer still threw him out,
regardless.
As long as there's no pizza, I think he'll be happy.
Yeah, that's right.
Gotta be careful with those parties.
Bad Duke.
Going for a first item? BKB? I see that, right?
Yep. Okay.
Makes sense. He wants to cover his pulverize.
The only thing countering it is Doom.
Figured he'd go blink first as the egg is placed right on top of Snake King, gets the Shadow Strike for his Troubles.
Looks like he'll survive though.
Hard to see a raindrop.
I was actually very close to hitting a fire spirit there from Panto. That would have been a kill instead.
Push Whack onto the Phoenix and yeah, they're gonna get the Phoenix instead. Malorraine picks that one up.
More, a thousand into the ratings, we'll see if he keeps this built, depending on how the
next couple minutes goes.
Notoriously, one of those players that changes his mind a lot.
Yep.
And now without the facet he kind of has to decide, he can't just halfway commit one
way or the other.
you're actually stuck with your items
good old devils bargain
we'll miss you
not really
yeah that was kind of whatever
the other one ends up being his shard though
the two charges on devour
with the massive improvement to the effectiveness of what you devour of course
We've just been looking at his nails for quite a while. I hope he, I hope his hand's okay.
Good to know.
I guess you haven't noticed, but...
That's how you, uh...
No, you have too much time on your hands as a support.
The old days, I could see that.
You don't get any farm anyway. You're just sitting there half the time, going all 19 on Pudge.
I mean his cam was just frozen, that's why it was fun.
Oh, I missed that.
He's been looking at his hand the same way.
Back to you.
Everything gets fired.
Oh, that TP cancellation, Mal'Reen. Very nicely done.
The creep's trying to help out as well.
Don't think they're going to get the deny though.
So three kills.
Now Stalkin's taking a little bit of a lead now.
Mal'Reen wasting no time insta-tps to base to refill and get his defusal.
So now he's on to power spike number one for this hero.
They're all thinking about snaking here.
If he just throws all his spells, I think it's a kill, but might not want to do it.
This is too valuable to look for something else, but maybe it was close.
He did the math.
I'll trust him over you.
It's just if you're on top of the Marana, you should be able to hit all three spells
before she gets two leaps off.
You just cast them in the quick succession, starting with Shadow Strike as long as animation.
We'd rather keep things available, but similarly to game number one, you look at the raw numbers
and spirit, not much reason to be positive about this right now.
4K down, all three cores on the radiant are bigger.
Now this is a nice stack for back to back, brought out of this.
I think this is the first realistic timing for Spirit to really get to the enemy.
Uh-oh. That is bad timing.
Oh, no.
It'll be a while before he gets there.
And steal the rest of these ancients.
There weren't that many left, but they were the big ones.
Yeah. A couple dragons for their trouble.
Now, already with the Diffusal obviously.
We'll be playing the Blink Chart, so kind of cookie cutter is what we've been noticing
unless you go for a Mage Slayer instead of the Diffusal.
Yeah.
It's unsurprising, right?
You buff Swashbuckle, Pango is going to build for Swashbuckle, you nerf Swashbuckle, Pango is going to build for Rolling Thunder and Shieldcrash.
We don't need to look at Skeeter's inventory, we know exactly what he's going because the timies do not change.
Pretty much a set build.
Currently.
And a more 3200 gold, so we're getting close to the decision, which the fact that you've held on to that much gold anyway, I think you've panicked already.
He's got it.
Love it.
I mean once again similar to game one why not like you're getting away with it
Spirit are not putting enough pressure. They're not punishing you for having so much dead gold
Like in reality the MRs net worth right now is like 3k
Because yes 4k in the bank. Yep. So this here is actually super weak, but they're not killing it. So
Just keep ramping up
Yeah, gets a sharp shooter onto Yatora to slow him down, sonic wave with the fire spirits looking for the deny.
Not gonna happen, Malrin, a little too slow for once.
Yeah, slowed on the attack speed, otherwise he had it.
Now let's strike onto the pango.
They get the silence as well as the egg right on top of the Wukong's command.
Yatora takes out Malrin, it feels good about it.
I'm just TPs in to get sold by him. Thanks for the help, buddy.
It's literally all he did was just bind him and leave.
him and leave. Why bother even? T-ping. You're not done with your radiance yet. Get back in
the jungle, young man. Yep. And in classic MR fashion, can I get away with the greed? Yes.
All right. I am maxing devour first after. Sounds good. After scorched earth, of course.
So the 440 build, a lot of the time we see players go 144, but you know, no need to
do that here
just keep farming
and there was a
i mean the panel thought that
falcons had better
melan disagree do you have an opinion
well the toss actually missed
i like the dire league game better overall
house as well how much by how much like fifty five forty five just
uh...
Not by landslide, like something like that.
It's like a slight advantage, maybe.
I think tiny's matchups aside from Monkey King
are pretty good.
And I think, I mean, when we talk late game,
if we're starting to think about heroes are five, six slotted,
if we're talking that kind of late game.
Hard to beat Doom.
It's a very good game for Doom.
Quap and Monkey King are a total disaster
for our guys for Doom.
I think Primal is criminally underrated
in the extreme late game.
This is the hero of the absurd.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Very, very strong late gamer, but the problem is,
You're not going to carry the fight yourself, you need some sort of backup, and if QWOP and or Monkey King are doomed, I just don't know if you have enough in the tank to kill.
It's funny though, out of the three cores on Spirit, the hero that I think is worst late game is the Monkey King actually, because QWOP and Primal I feel like can absolutely take over.
Monkey, I don't know if falling off is the right way to put it, he's definitely strong, but not to that level.
level. And all in their own right are very powerful late gamers, but that's where Doom...
There are certain heroes that Doom interacts with way better, like let's say you
talk about the 10 best late game heroes, if you could quantify that somehow. Doom is very good
against some of them and kind of okay against the rest. I would put Monkey King and Quap in
the category that he owns, so let's just, you know, look at it from that perspective.
It also means that realistically you're forcing two late game heroes in Quap and Monkey King to
probably by Lincoln's so then that's part of their net worth going to that nice
dodge on the gank here from little Laurel help get out if there was a good
dark portrait potential that would have helped me tip the scales that really
isn't now rain stunned up pulverize with the silence on top that's a very
nice kill for spirit was not expecting that at all they were keeping
themselves in the game it's not snowballing like last time but of course
we talked about the doom and how he's just getting started now and then there's
the different aspect to it as well we were when you start thinking about like
current form and player hero combinations what would you rather have I
think if I could play any late game I would like to have a more doom in my
team just tends to be one of the best to ever do it on that hero late game
Um, probably between him and 33, I guess the best picks for that hero-player combination.
Yatoro is a beast on Monkey King sometimes late game, but he just, I don't know, it just
hasn't felt like Yatoro is in, you know, top form.
I feel like the hero also has kind of fallen off a bit.
It feels like it's more snowball-y, like these balance strikes in the late game with the shard
getting in really deep.
It feels like he is not Yatoro but Monkey King.
He's relying more on the cores than in the past, what I remember.
Just a small observation of very limited games.
Yeah.
It's hard to say with the sample size we have so far.
I mean the teams are still rating the hero uber high, it's getting like first phased a lot, which is quite uncharacteristic for monkey king when it's not flexed very much
Yeah, I missed the position for killing courier strat, what happened to that?
Jin Q, where you at son?
Essence distiller on crit
As you can see, the ganks well for Yatoro, balance strike, they won't connect it properly, as Crit in the tree line going to get some help from Moonlight, Shadow of the Trample is enough though.
Now he has the dagger. So this is a big moment of opportunity for Spirit now. With Blink BKB on Primal, you can get a guaranteed pull rise with anything except Doom in the fight.
Obviously catching Mal-Reen would be great, but they've already managed to kill him three times this game, which is nice.
Compared to Game 1, I feel like Spirit are showing slightly better form, but in spite of that not really winning,
or gaining an advantage that's too meaningful.
Now we're going to look for the Tormenter.
Falcons will trade that for more jungle creeps, riveting stuff.
well careful now, well he got the shard though
blood for blood, do the neutrals get more money from the shard injection
syndrome? does the shard or the death occur first? probably the death
what if that's how it is? is the tormentor a neutral? yeah it is
Yeah, well, it does say neutral creep, doesn't it, when you die.
So that's actually disrespectful that it says neutral creep.
Yeah, it is a neutral, but neutral entity when Roche kills someone, it's not neutral.
Right.
Yeah, he gets named.
Put some respect on the tormentor's name, please.
You should name the tormentor Kunkka, I think, and then rename Kunkka because he doesn't like Kunkka.
That's true.
Hero.
I think Kunkka would love to be a little magnet in the corner of the map as his legacy.
That will probably be removed in a year.
Of course, if you're new to this game and back in Warcraft 3, all the amazing loading screen art that Dota 1 had was drawn by an artist called Kunkka and a hero was named after him.
Which is, I think the only hero in the game that's named after a person, right?
I can't think of any other that Icefrog did that for, so that is a massive sign of respect, right?
And we worked with him as well, the Juggernaut set.
Yeah, he's made sets in Dota 2 that are beautiful.
Ink's well initiation with the pulverized, that is a dead snaking.
Nice and easy with the dagger, for real.
Nothing comes for free though, yep.
Oh, well, does it?
Oh, it does, he's scared of the gate rotation.
Understandable.
Just, yep, very understandable as they're coming through.
I thought maybe he was going to be able to get it in time, but it takes the safe route.
These creeps aren't going to kill themselves.
That's a BKB though, yeah, so Amar I think is in fighting shape now.
Skeeter though a little bit farther behind on the BKB, so they probably wait for that.
And Mal'Rain who has died a fair amount is, yeah, not that close to the fight, on the
strike, onto Skeeter, Shadowblade, but they get to pulverize with the BKB into the
Wukong, this has worked all of it.
Nice kill for Spirit.
Very good one to find there.
We've got some good value out of the Splink Dagger already on Bat Yook.
Definitely looks like Spirit could make this game more competitive than Game 1, and that's
a good sign when you've been on a bad losing streak.
Got to try to swing it around them here, but I get the rolling thunder right on top
of the Monkey King, and of course, who curses better than Cinderan?
No one.
doing better than last game. Even after those two deaths, it still looks better. It could
make it competitive. Nice, there is a chasm stone on Primal that you want to see.
Yes, very good. Does he have one on Crit on Hoodwink? Not yet. I saw you seem like you
prioritized that quite a bit. But not this game. The Lotus is the primary
concerned wants to protect against the primal beast of course primal can't
really deal with that problem ever in the game oh he's gonna walk into trouble
speaking of problems have a toss to get the soul by an onto to though with the
silence to follow that you conslock away sharp shooters gonna miss as a result
tree not okay that was a lot more damage I thought his crit actually
finishes it tp attempt snag king he's out no arrow
I'll buy some more time for Malarina finish this agonist sub so they're
gonna have this three big item spike for falcons I can't help but feel like
other teams should try Marana I think after the buff to Celestial Quiver it's
It's really worth giving it a more of a try.
Celestial Quiver, that's the new innate where you start with magic damage on your shots.
It was terrible on version 1, and then it got buffed a lot.
It got plus 2 damage level 1 and then plus 3 per level.
This is, it helps Marana's laning quite a bit, and I mean we're all like shadows
still at pro level, it's such an amazing ability.
So if she, I'd say generally speaking as a five, if Morana can win or break even in lanes,
the utility that you get for it is very valuable.
So I'm happy to see at least Falcon still leaving in this.
Get down, Mr. President.
That was nice.
It didn't matter.
It was a good highlight.
In fact, if it cost him his life, that would be really sad.
It might just...
I'm rooting for you to live, Panther, because that was good.
He's going to put down the egg.
Mark has thought BKB now in retreat and he's out
That was nice though seems like a complete coincidence. Oh for sure, but funny nevertheless
And it was all for naught
Mr. President Rue
Just got one shot by a tiny instead
It happens to the best of us only six charges on this desk so far for your Toro has the BKB now with echo saber
Going for your harpoon
Okay, just never gonna let that go it wasn't even that interesting of a moment to begin with but you just
Yeah, that's what make the best memes. Yeah, you feast off of all those like small
Little things that the mundane conversation right those are your favorite ones
That's interesting so snake he's actually going pipe it looks like
Yeah, unusual it's it's good against qualms, so it's fine. I want to have a we magic ball
Barrier seems like a fine choice.
That's the other thing about Marana 5, she can buy every item, more or less.
Doesn't need any specific utility item, doesn't need cast range, doesn't need a dagger, so
the hero can just get...
If it's a good solar game you can buy that, you see in this game snaking is going drums
pipe, you can buy Glimmer Force, Greaves Rush, just one of the...
I think probably the five with the biggest arsenal of items is literally anything can work on this
You can even rush orchid. I think if it's the right game for it to be honest
That's because she's not a support center
It's because your support with built-in mobility
Don't need to even do that
Nope, so the lead is growing for Falcons. It's slower paced than last game for sure
The question is when can they go for this first rush or can?
Spirit contest slash even take it themselves. It kind of feels like we're watching the same game in point eight times speed
It's like yeah, I get the same
Archetype of things that are happening here, so can spirit
Flip the script somehow, or will Falcons just win in the exact same fashion twice in a row?
Well, into the Roche pit we go. Roche number one.
Where's Collapsing, you need him.
28 minutes in, 5v4 situation.
Parasy of Lucky Shot, this shouldn't take all that long.
Spirit are gonna smoke. I feel like this is a little late. They scan the pit.
And you can see snaking trying to create some space, it's going to get heart-poned, but Skeeter will end up getting the Aegis.
So first, Roche for Falcons.
And I believe they've hit all the Power Specs, right? They got the Ags, I assume, onto Pango, yeah.
Even things are just going according to plan.
I think if you want to beat this team, the best way to beat Falcons is just to break them out of their comfort zone in terms of just the game state being slow.
I'll pulverize initiation onto snaking. 54% Spirit. Interesting.
Don't know about that. So the thing about this team is, they're basically in almost all game states, unless they're playing against a very aggressive team, Falcons out farms everybody.
So you need to, the kills that you find need to be worth more than Falcons are farming per minute more than you.
Otherwise it's just not a winning play.
They find a little bit that Uke actually gets hit by the essence to Scylla, but the Doom onto Yatoro attempted TP.
Lot of damage. Is he going to stick out on a fountain and look like it?
So down goes the carry of Spirit and the rest are falling fast back. Uke with a late BKV.
Sonic Blade comes through as well for taking the brunt of that damage.
sunray on the side light from Panto is the rest of spirit try to get the hell
out of here that you too fat to hide really really unfortunate having such a
huge model that definitely makes a difference for fog of war that'd be an
interesting change you know you know one change I want to make that you're
gonna hate oh that's most of fog of war should have like a point one fade
time. And what is it now? Zero. I mean it used to, wasn't that one of the changes that
happened between Dota 1 and Dota 2? Maybe. I think Fog changed and it used to have a
fade time in Warcraft 3 I think. I don't remember it though. Yeah, by the way he TPed
to tier 2, not that it matters here, Yatoro, since he would have died and found anyway
against Doom, but his hope was to reconnect with his team and offer some help. I think
that was a good idea to part on the tower instead of base. It was an unfortunate
Sonic Wave is watching, it hit just hoodwink.
Yeah, it was close to clipping three and only got to one.
Don't really know if that would have changed all that much though.
Maybe one more kill.
That's Malrin, that's Yatoro.
Not great body language here.
It's all tabbing, looking at Reddit, making sure there's no threads yet.
Big Reddit fan that, Yatoro.
I think he just ran out of anime to watch.
like what do I do now so far this color the color of his hair yeah has not worked
out well I wonder which character inspired that when he does his tier list
for anime it's probably based off of how good the hair has been for his pro win
rate so I don't know which character has this one but anything in this short
going down so the morana shard still gives the extra leap but now grants
three temporary charges while leaps buff is active for celestial quiver is this
strong is it okay it's okay it's kind of designed to try to make Marana more of a
core but I still don't really I know what stopped her from being a sport for name
the one change that ended her time as a core the change to acts wow you have
stopped it from being a farming item that was Omega boring I'd like that one
that you doomed up and now it's starting to snowball in Falcons favor to a
large degree they have a minute and a half on the Aegis and most of the outer
towers are out this tier two top and mid the only ones remaining
Toro scavenging what he can here just trying to get a couple of waves and then
leave just gonna stun this and jump away knows that they must be coming for
him which is the case obviously have no clue where he went
Oh boy. Oh, I'm blind!
He actually went for the cam.
It's ToroBKB, it's just TP. There's no Basher on now, right?
Yep, indeed.
Still, that Bushwack was pretty sexy.
Now, he knocked it for the Lincolns, considering he is against Primal.
That makes a lot of sense, and Basher is next.
So that play exists for now for you.
Have you seen the Primal ult on Pango ult yet?
Like the interaction?
I know for a fact that originally it literally canceled the old not just like you're not stunned
It's not like fiends good. I just canceled the old feel like that got changed at some point because it doesn't make sense
Why don't you go ahead and Google it? It's actually BT you remember if you time cogs perfectly to stop roll as well
Right if you were like what if you were timed cogs perfectly and clock if you were approaching clock
And you put cogs down when you were next to the cogs
Yeah, it would break you out of ulti and knockback
Which was a bug and that got fixed so I just I don't know the primal one was
How long did that exist because the primal ultra interaction was at least like a year and a half
Man, I could be I just don't remember seeing it recently, but maybe this still better
We'll get a tweet from somebody of course, so we won't be checking because we didn't use
Not as much, anyway.
Crit, finds Will, and...bunk.
Shoot them right in the butt.
18k lead now.
Tier 2 top is the last outer tower, I believe, so...
Oh, he found Doom.
Well, who found who, really?
Yatoro.
Yeah, he gets Doom, but there is the pulverized arrow coming.
does have the XORO
That is the death of the monkey king attempted TP, but the eternal blow actually thought that did cancel the PKB was still up
We will survive
Doesn't really matter for Falcons though they get with the they get the highest value target on the map. Yep
You can see the top three networks in the game are on the spirit side
It's just I mean I'm watching this game and I'd feel like what are what are spirit hoping for like?
What's what's the plan like is there an item timing is there a specific place you want to fight?
Is there an objective you want to fight for because I feel like they're kind of just running around trying to farm and
Falcons are just farming more. So it's like this is just never going to be a winning strategy, right?
Like are you just should you just maybe brute force more like go for a five-man smoke try to take a risk?
Let's say it's a 20% probability that you win the fight handily and you lose the other 80
That's still better than just bleeding out on the map and losing by default
Just don't really see them taking all that much initiative
Maybe it's just Falcons doing a really good job constantly pushing in waves and preventing you from feeling comfortable
Even making a smoke plate to begin with but at some point
You're gonna have to go for a big play of some kind snaking
That's the pipe
Yeah, he's gonna
force out a sonic wave. So he does die
Hi.
Falcon's not going to be too blotted though.
The fandom's embraced just too slowly to be able to leap in between them.
So at least it's a kill for Spirit.
I wonder what a heave map of this game would look like though.
I feel like the vast majority of the game has still been played on Spirit's side of
the river.
We do get to see the Ags this time for a mark.
Yeah.
So that means now his doom applies mute, break, excuse me mute is the talent, got it the wrong
way around with the words.
So he breaks, which is going to get monkey then he can't get jingu stacks, although when
you're doomed it's only the damage you benefit from them, the life steal.
Oh boy, Laurel.
Today we're going to have some major stun lock action here, can't blink out in
time.
Roo, tried to help out poor guy, gets harpooned into a TP.
Stylish
Yeah, a lot of Lincoln's being built here, so it's all finishes his
Batyuk is building his and we already have two on the Falcon side now ring and war
Of course also break up or doom. I don't think all about you
Asked to use his be it can barely see his BKB his body is so large
charge.
Yep.
Oh, your Torah going for the late game.
Not even the Chanter's Bobble.
Not even the cosmetics can save spirit.
Unless it was made by Kunkka.
Hmm.
And you never know.
There might be a hidden Easter egg in there.
Imagine it turns out there's been a bug in the game for like seven years, or when
you're wearing cosmetics you do plus one damage.
Plus one damage, wow.
Per item.
Ooh.
So the full sets like five damage pretty big win rate swing. I pay for that. Oh, you like pay to win now, dude
I mean the arrow was always considered is there a pay to win it's usually pay to lose right?
Yeah, my sister Rubik arcana like making more obvious what you're stealing the arrow from
Marana very noticeable. Yeah, I believe it was affectionately called the sperm arrow, but not mistaken
Not my words.
Not canonically, but you do talk to slacks, so it's probably, and Jenkins.
It was probably Jenkins, honestly, let's be honest.
No, I didn't know Jenkins back then.
Oh, really?
I mean, I did, but I don't remember him.
It was a golden age of your life.
I didn't remember him.
Yeah.
It was only slacks.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So before him, that was the golden age.
Yeah, I guess so.
Triple Bobble.
Wow, they...
That's right, Spirit.
We're going to 60.
Probably Falcon's the best team to pick this item against, but I don't think you're
in a good enough spot to really get any 38% this is insane I just this is insane
where is this where these percentages coming from I mean it's just not true
is this chat GPT run is that what this is about is I know that Val was working
on AI or like automation on steam or something I guess they stopped
developing it and just left it in alpha you cannot convince me this is a
two to one advantage. Yeah, this is Falcon's game to lose. I mean, I see it. It loves it
loves Phoenix like game and it should love quap, but oh, yet Toro, yet Toro, they pop
the link and they get the avalanche toss and the daily doom. He gets actually pushed
out of the though. Thanks to the sonic wave. Sharp shooter is going to hit onto the
primal beast, but he pops the BKV and see Skeeter pounded by that shadow strike
to get the doom onto the quap onto the high ground. Malrin pushes them all around
Can they actually finish him though?
Star Storm is there, Swashbuckle is enough.
So they get a kill, not the specific one that they wanted.
I wonder if that was a misclick from R.
Yeah, I was going to say he could have,
because Lincoln's was definitely popular.
Yeah, I want to say he meant to cast it on Monkey King,
but just misclick, I would think so.
But, well, they get a pretty much equally valuable kill
in the Queen.
Not terrible.
And of course, with this excellent pickup.
Oh, he went 25 times, what did he take?
He took the mute.
Oh my god.
Why?
Why would you do this, Amar?
We want scorched earth.
Well, if you do a monkey king, you can't BKB or TP.
That's kind of a big deal.
No, it's style points.
Amar is all about style.
I mean, look at him.
Look at his classes and how he presents himself.
Amar is all about money.
That's probably true.
As you can see, a pulverized onto the Pangolier.
Malarine in a lot of trouble trying
get some help with the Lotus, gonna be reflecting the Shadow Strikes but it's not enough, he
picks out. Ninety seconds of no Malorraine now as Skeeter in very deep has the Aegis of
course. Sticking around the Wukong's command a little bit too long and the Battle of Strike
now into the Sonic Wave, Amar looks to be dead as well. Skeeter all alone. Still pretty
damn strong, cannot get a tree yet. As Yatoro is gonna hound onto Crit, so trying
to take out the supports beforehand is they still had to DKB TP for Skeeter. Okay.
Triple kill for your Toro and hey, maybe
ChatGPT slash Dota plus had something and knew something we did in Cinder and that was very expensive though
You bought back two cores for that. Oh, I didn't I did not notice that. That's that's I don't know if you can really call that a win
I suppose
Rotmined that's good. Yeah, I appreciate that. Wow. That's a very skinny of that. Yeah
Now make it morbidly obese version of that. Hmm
Rot mind
Okay, well spirit might push this below 20k, which will be an improvement
At the very least and I do like the fact that they look for a fight knowing that doom was on code
I think it's just so important the difference between fights where
Yatoro gets to cast abilities and not it's just a completely different world now. Unfortunately here
I think crits movement actually kind of grieved Malrin there. He got soulbound to him
Perhaps there's a way out of that without the Soulbind, but regardless.
So you can see the gold lead here was 28, so I did cut it down by 10k in spite of using
two buybacks.
Now, obviously that lead being smaller is a good thing, but if you were to kill either
of the buybacking pours, the relative net worth difference would be even bigger.
Yep, true.
But you need to find that moment of opportunity first for Falcons, so might enter a little
bit of a calmer phase here. Wee-ha did like Spirit Lake game. Maybe Wee-ha made
the win expectancy graph and... I thought you said thousands. We didn't. No, Wee-ha liked
Spirit Lake. Wait, no, we liked thousands. Yeah, I was gonna say because that was the
whole story with Milan. Right. Oh yeah, Milan. Excuse me, Milan made the...
They remind me of each other so much. Milan expected Spirit to do well.
So, in league.
So I'm along me at the graph. Okay, Aento.
They're hunting. Arrow random now.
Oh, that's...
Well, snaking definitely beating the map pack allegations with that arrow.
That was very far off the mark.
Little do they know.
I wasn't looking for anything.
Tormentor's available.
That would give a shark either hoodwink or tiny.
Yeah, which one would you rather have? The hoodwink, I guess?
I mean, the tiny shark isn't that good anymore.
I think crash landing is okay, but all you have to do is punch his boomerang, which is nice.
That's what they'll get.
What do you mean that's what they'll get?
Punch his Skeeter.
Oh, it said, I saw Crit's name immediately.
I was like, oh, it was because he took the shrine at the same time.
That's right.
I saw Crit, like, oh, okay, boomerang is good.
Shannon, we're losing it here.
Some of us, you're doing fine.
Thank you.
Skeeter?
Okay.
Dusted?
Pop the lincoln's immediately with the phantom's brace and they're gonna back off and smoke the harpoon animation on a tree is so
I keep thinking there's like a
Rubik telekinesis the way that it looks it's so fast
Noro
They run into each other gets a balance right on the dude with a who comes man to follow
They find the yatoro and he is dead
It doesn't buy back though and now the damage being applied to Lamar
He's going to drop to the deck. No buyback for him as Skeeter extremely low. No Aegis this time
So two big cores dead for Falcons
Despite losing Yatoro right away that you continuing on Malrin
Slowing bad you to a crawl is going to take some trample damage going to brush it off
Thanks to the shield crash though into the swashbuckle that you've running up out of HP and mana now
Kind of lost their damage overall
But they find the connection onto the Queen of Pain and that is technically a dieback for Laurel as
as Bat Yook still up and running the fat juicy mess that is the primal beast able to blink out TP
Oh, I thought he had the bash so close
the arrow on Phoenix as well was
Fraction of a second off connecting, but yeah, you can see the damage here the really big story in this fight
Phoenix had a massive amount of impact there
I just did tons of damage with Sunray onto the doom as well as tiny obviously these
Tanky boy's percentage base damage. It's very good
But even then still not enough and of course yet. I mean a Toro dying first is a very big problem
Clearly, but I'm surprised spirit managed to keep that together. Yeah, you're gonna see the replay here
Did he just not BKB at all?
He just didn't BKB after opening right? Yes, he has a ready
I mean, that's just a blunder right he gets a two-man stun pop your BKB for your old off
and that's a totally different story.
So a costly mistake for Yatoro.
Yep, and Snake King is gonna be killed off by Rue.
Primal Beast, he got out of dodge last time.
He's gonna be so lucky this time.
Monkey comes back in one second though.
So Malorraine does have to be a bit careful.
The swashbolt under the face will blink out though.
And Abbot Chase is not a Malorraine.
Fly near Fly to him.
Yatoro jumps in.
Crit near by, I guess the Bushwag onto the tube,
but it's not gonna be enough as Malorraine
can shield crash, but he will die.
Amar, Lincoln's pop. Looking for an opening. Gets hit though. Gets bashed rather.
And Amar. No, still has Doom actually. Yep, no Doom used. Has it been that long since the last fight?
Doom is back up? Yep. It's a two-minute cooldown. Time flies. Yeah, time flies when you're dead for
a minute and a half, then it's kind of ready again. That's true. Oh, AoE Doom? Okay, Amar.
Um, feeling frisky. That's a big one down
That's almost defensive there
He needs to stop monkey from chasing into him
Okay, well now you can count to two minutes again
Spirit holding on though. They're looking a lot better interestingly
Panto or excuse me rude choosing the stroke of fate damage talent on 20 rather than the
Phantom hits to kill. Considering how good the Phantom has been this game at
dealing with the supports, at dealing with Pango, I really thought he was gonna go
for that one. It's super annoying, so I have to hit it six times.
Nevertheless... or wait, it's not. Is it six or is it one? One more. Because like
the phantom's embrace has nine attacks to destroy by default of which heroes
count as three and the 20 tones is three hits to kill phantom so it just goes
from three to four right
right in the pit going for rush can't listen to cinder and anymore
Rosh just wants to get out of the game.
The classic Artor gift me out, Arrow?
Oh, you got it!
Not that that matters, man.
Snipe.
Well, it's gold.
A little bit.
It's like a 1500 gold swing.
Sure, not the biggest deals, but style points.
Yeah, that is style.
And the mental damage.
This is big though.
The best item in the game against Doom.
ages of the immortal, and it's not even close, so Yatoro now entering that ultra late game
situation that he is known for being, how many players arguably the best to ever do it, he
can pull this one off, he's gonna be able to buy a scottie here if he wants, he has
him this quick buy, there she goes, he's sticking with one ultimate open, I'll really
save and provide back makes sense even though he has ages I think recognizing
that this game is still not in a favorable position but now what do you
think the win expectancy is 18k down 50 50 if it was 30 before it's 61 39 for
radiant wow I don't know still not really feeling this but you know some of
Matchups for spirit. We're starting to look better and better
They aren't
Clean enough pain once a Margaets. I assume refreshers. Thanks
There's nothing queued up, but yeah, I mean what else would it be? I don't think there's a better choice
It's carrying it up now. I'm guessing he's gonna sell us radiance
Or
Yeah, he has to keep face boots. It's too important
Tomorrow forcing everybody back the balance right now. There's the pulverize they find Marana
But they find easy kill. Oh, yeah, you're right. Nice first on the outskirts is the AOE doom onto the Phoenix right now
And that's gonna be the death of the Phoenix has to buy back a game still has the egg
Wukong's command everybody's outside of it life
You're not gonna proc thanks to the Lincoln tutorial continuing to chase Skeeter gets the top spec very nicely done
The ink's was back in last too long Skeeter on the run with the BKB attempted TP. He's good
And critical get up. Yeah, they have no way of cancelling this DKBTP when Lincoln's is ready unless they
Break the Lincoln's first and then pulverize. It's literally the only way currently. Ah, well an exploding soup of if you want to be technical about it
That's that your old British
I'm not gonna have that pretty that's what you used to sound like a TI2 if I sounded like that. Oh, I've never changed
So good. I love the posh accent
So a trade off of QWOP plus Phoenix plus two buybacks for just the Marana.
Pretty much very, very bad trade for Spirit, but they still have the Aegis and Cheese.
And maybe they can force the issue here knowing that Duma's on cooldown. It's a big deal.
Yeah, but this is great delayed tactics from Malorraine, rolling Thunder, relatively low cooldown.
I'm assuming he took the CDR talent, indeed that is the case.
And now, ooh, that's a big one, Refresher.
We're talking about Primal Beast being absolute beastly late game.
Ag's Refresher is the combo you usually see.
Doesn't really have room for the Ags right now.
Skeeter, looking for the kill onto the road.
Okay.
Is it gonna cost him?
Okay, he's bounced left and right.
Harpoon.
BKB already activated from back to you.
Gitaro turns into a courier.
40.5 HP.
Obviously with that second life to work with,
they'd love to burn this.
Yeah, they're trying to.
Splashbuck with that hit, rolling thunder as well.
They'll get life number one.
Oh, this is a good dive.
They're required to just stand on top of him with BKB now.
They're gonna try to do it.
Right on top.
There's the bushwhack.
He's muted.
He's broken.
And the atoro is almost certainly dead here.
Sonic Wave too late from Laurel.
He's gonna have to buy back into the game now.
Control from Malarine on top of that.
There's the avalanche onto a couple of heroes.
Quap trying to stay healthy.
Thanks for the close.
now at full HP. Skeeter is the one that's low and absolutely isolated, dead to rights he has buyback.
Okay, that was a really nice play from Amar by the way. Getting in with the set, it's so important in this situation that he gets self-dammed.
So they can kill him twice. I say Aegis is the best counter, but that's obviously when you're doing the hero.
Yeah, doing your self-dam.
They're going really deep next to the tier 4 as we see the triple arrows come out.
Everybody's level 25 at this point, it feels like.
They find the support killer, instant buyback from Crit, Yatoro.
Trying to focus on Malorraine, gets leashed next to Hoodwink, uh-oh.
He's in a lot of trouble with Wukong's command there as well.
The balance strikes with a lot of damage.
Malorraine already had HP, swash him up, lose some of the outskirts, but he's still in trouble.
Sunray just on the outskirts as well, he's trying to get together with something while he's dead.
Bies back instantly, buyback on the Skeeter as well, but now the AoE do them again, coming to just absolutely decimate Spirit.
Three dead they can't find the monkey king which would have been extremely valuable. Yeah, he had to buy the refresher for that
Well worth it
That is the most insane patience from Skeeter. He had buyback the whole time and he waited until they dove all the way
Over to the defender's gate and then he buys back
Like having the patience and the presence of mind to just let that develop for so long and not panic buyback to save your teammates
is quite extraordinary. That was a very, very difficult set up to pull off from Falcons,
avoiding that long, but pays off big time. Big thing is, they're all dead for 80 seconds
and they know it. Yeah, so this is a clean 5-on-4 situation,
potentially 5-on-3. If you can get the monkey chain, you'll
know that's another dieback. There's a 4-to-5 from Spirit. Refresher
charge for your Toro so he can have two ults here. Yep, Amar needs to get level 30 so we
can see the scorched earth being constant. Very important for this game.
Like that Snake King is the one hitting this tower while Skeeter waits for the tree to
come back. And for Spirit losing a lane even two, it's whatever. Probably just letting
doesn't matter just long-range delay tactics I think and knowing Falcons they
might just be okay with one yeah I mean knowing Falcons the reason they're
taking this barracks is that it's the highest GPM play on the map the actual
creeps barely even matter but it's better than the jungle so and you're
making progress for I mean obviously you're making progress for ending the
game later it's half tongue-in-cheek but really this first lane is so
insignificant at this point. 54 minutes in. The main thing that it offers, I think more
important than the bigger creeps, is the ability to end. If you are finding the enemy team
without buyback, those extra seconds that you would need to break the tier 3 tower,
for example to go for tier 4s and finishing is potentially going to help them later.
Now we're entering a really, really awkward stage though. Falcons with some key cooldowns
on buybacks. That is the status to look at right here. You see almost nobody have
them and it will have them only Grimstroke and Marana every core is out of play and this is where
something like finding the doom would be enormous because not only will you take him out knowing
he doesn't have buyback but he is the guy who will generally force your heroes to fold yeah so
this is very very tense late game this 30k lead is quite small while buybacks aren't
I think it matters at the least right now
That's what's actually smoking so they want to take the initiative they have double doom in 20 seconds
Yeah
This is a prize that the radiance is staying in the inventory over the Lincoln's right now or Amar. Yeah
And this is a one-fight game now if you get the right jump you win basically
I guess he's gonna pop BKB then Lincoln replaces it could be a
Very tense this could be the end of spirit or they could be forcing a game three
Come smoke on smoke moonlight shadow is ready to if Falcons want the additional
Bit of help there gonna take the D warden back out very conservative in a minute and a half
They have to defend top
This lane can stand for quite a while.
Yatora will still show though, I guess this was a triple wave.
With a change to double siege as well.
It's triple siege at 60, right?
I don't remember.
I think.
When is Catapult?
Or sorry, Trebuchet.
Oh.
Yeah, that's what we would both like to see is the upgraded siege creep somehow.
That would be cool.
Put a creep in the siege creep.
Okay.
Just visual.
Yeah.
Alternatively, the catapults could transform at minute X where they start shooting like
burning oil or something on buildings.
Yeah.
Damage over time or liquid fire like jacquero.
That's right.
That's a good thing.
Just put jacquero in the catapult.
Yeah.
Moonlight shout out.
All right.
Alkins.
Feels like a soft commit to try to find something here.
I mean look at the vision, right?
They have really good wards but Spirit are staying just outside of them.
If they walk into the river here, they are gonna get jumped, but staying under the cover
of their own vision, understandably, hogging this hill.
Roshan, 20 seconds.
And knowing Falcons, they're gonna try to abuse the fact that they have this top lane.
Yeah.
And the better worse.
Wait for somebody to show up.
They have full coverage around Rosh.
trio of wards is just covering all entrance angles you can only surprise them with a smoke
I say trio it's five wards and for spirits really hard to know when Roche is even up because if
you scan obviously they're in this area anyway yeah that's true he is and they're contesting
larl gonna show first the global belch announces to all starting to see some more buybacks come
up now dooms is ready phoenix quap and mirana and
there's marlin very deep he's gonna get a we do now try to run down is a marvin
get stunned at the last moments that's one doom down yet torel popped this bkb
though that's a really big cooldown i don't know if
they saw it though but i would argue that's a bigger
cooldown than the doom because a mark can just refresh that
It looks like they want to wait.
Slowly but steadily that top way.
Did they see the BKB?
That's what I'm saying, I don't think they did.
If they know this, I would have liked to see them maybe try again, but...
Patient!
Okay, another one.
Yeah, I mean, there's no doom. He did not use Refresher.
What's the cooldown of this thing?
100 seconds, okay.
Getting close to the 60-minute mark.
You see a great occasion now. It's just an occasion. Yep
Snaking is actually scaling so hard. We haven't really talked about it, but like look at his items
He's got Lincoln's Lincoln's lotus pipe drum. Oh, okay sonic wave onto a mar gets scared there
Nice dodge there from Laurel snaking consumed his eggs. It's
It's so rich, dude.
What the frill, just to hold the gem, huh?
Skeeter looking for the open.
He gets the Adelaide to get this tree toss out.
He'll be able to get the toss now onto Yatoro.
Getting about a half HP here as the Sunray
continuing to heal him up.
The egg is now gonna stun Skeeter
and he's in a lot of trouble.
Remember, no Aegis yet as Amar finally gets the refresher.
He gets the A and we do make kill off Yatoro.
He does have buyback again.
It has been so long.
Infernal Blade onto Grimstroke as well.
So a double kill for Amar as he now tries
to exit the premises.
them to TP, he's fine.
They lose Skeeter in the midst of all this.
Sebastian coming out from Malorraine.
They avoid the rock throw and the mass TP's
now for Falcons in general.
You got your wish, Shannon.
You got both your wishes.
It's like Christmas.
Doom is level 30.
Oh, hell yeah.
And we're reaching them in at 60.
You love their tier five so much.
You couldn't wait for this.
Ah, let's talk about the tier five.
So Yatoro wants Deso,
Stygian rather and with Bobble
Maybe Bobble can be interested now. I mean with the three Bobbles now. This is starting to get
They have three on the radiant, right? Yeah, they they are gonna pay off right if you start recrafting. Yeah, you get there
Okay, what are the interesting tier fives now, I just named them rift shadow prism now
Dizzoon blood right could be pretty damn good on pango. I
I would think.
Pango, Doom.
Divine Regalia.
Final Beast.
Divine Regalia.
Every time we see this item used, they just die.
Is there any merit to the Harmonizer?
I guess the heroes in this game, it isn't good enough on them.
Is that the Spell Damage one?
It's pretty good on Co-op, no.
So Harmonizer lowers the mana cost of all spells when they're off cooldown.
The more spells are off cooldown, the cheaper your spells are.
Oh, right.
And the more spells are on cooldown, the more powerful they are.
And since you're spamming your spells,
This is really good on Queen.
It's not good on Doom anymore because Scorcher of his Permanence.
Yeah, he did take it indeed.
There we go.
Cool.
I love the concept of this.
I think it's my favorite new neutral item that's introduced.
It's just a matter of the numbers and whether it should be tier 5.
I would love to see this be more frequent just week.
Anto with Divine Regalia.
Okay.
He's doing a lot of damage.
Yeah.
And it's a 1v5 game.
I've said twice, I guess, but...
Yeah, everybody has Bibex.
time yeah it ran late enough that the bibex came back so
deso on mirana making okay and he's a lot of things queued up as well
yeah they're sort of debating what to get as it looks
so amar's options i think fall in sky would be really good on the doom
um just finding an additional way of connecting and getting on top of people
with uh i mean i promise you have blink already
We do yeah, but it's just it's added utility right. It's never underestimate that
That was that the perfect item on your tour. I think it was right audacious
Audacious bobble, okay. Oh wow. He's he's he's angling for the next one
It's just this current bonus 50% so you can do the math right yeah, so 150 has to be it's 120 magic damage
Okay, so he's taking more damage. I think so. I think it takes more damage too. I
Actually don't know about that one if that's true. I would think it's all of them
Well, then he's gonna get fucked he dies faster, but he hits like a monster he does I
Don't know if an additional 5% incoming damage matters much if you do honestly
Kind of gonna die regardless. I'm ours farming mid under the cover of moonlight shadow standing still with scorched earth
Earth, fantastic, okay, smoke from spirit, it's a big ball.
And right in, initiation on the snaking, Sonic wins, not only gonna hit one hero, the Glidebear onto two, it's gonna be popped next to the Lincoln's.
Crit all alone, sharp shooter to get some distance, Arrow not gonna hit there.
Now the re-initiation for Malrin to get the AoE Doom onto Baruch, he's in a lot of trouble, he's dead.
Death number one for him, we're just gonna assume everybody has 5 back here, Malrin.
Right on top of Rue, onto the high ground, there's the Sunray keeping him alive.
Mal-Reen trying to finish it, he can't.
Is that the second Doom used already?
Or is that still the first?
That was the first.
He has Refresher swapped in.
He's putting it in now?
Yeah.
And he did indeed go for the Fallen Sky, so a mark.
And he has really long reach.
Overwhelming Blink plus Fallen Sky into AoE Doom is no joke.
Alright.
Netoro with the Wukong's command to give some space so that they can take Roshan.
It looks like they're going to get it.
Snaking on the stone again.
That would have been hilarious.
Maureen in deep into PX, he's static the ages!
How does that happen?
You have so much time!
Maureen inside the Wukong's command.
Remember he has a second life,
so he doesn't really care about dying so much here.
Gets the rolling thunder on just in time.
And now the A we do with the Avalanche
to follow Yatoro with dead, has to buy back instantly.
A we do still apply to Barayuki,
he's trying to get out.
Even pretty close as Maureen jumps in,
there's the fallen sky again, paying off.
That's a thigh back for the primal beast.
Oh, thank you.
I cannot believe Collapse not being here.
It's only fitting the other team steals it.
Of all the things that could go wrong,
it's inventory management, and they don't get the ages.
Oh my god.
It's such a big mistake.
Oh, not only does he not get the ages,
he has to buy back because he dies.
Malrin keeps the ages too.
And no buyback on Proud.
I mean, this could just be game off of not clicking
the shield on the cobalt.
It's unbelievable.
Fortification, maybe the last of the game.
Roche banner is placed. Remember the club has buyback, but Primal Beast does not.
Rolling Thunder to give some space.
Not to do much other than that right now.
They get the mid lane and going for the megas which
does mean quite a bit.
They're doing so much and look at snaking with
the Slayer, support Marana doing work. Arrows are coming. They still have the buyback, have an expender there.
What are they waiting for here as Skeeter and snaking just decimating the buildings finally Laurel will pop the BKB
Gets in the game with the buyback and tar with the BKB as well and who will concs command our poon four steps everything to save Skeeter
He will live
Laurel has to blink
Arrow being avoided again now rain with yet another rolling thunder Amar looking for a doomed target doesn't have doom though
So he's not looking for a do target. I guess we're gonna focus on the buildings again. All right
Having to deal with this constant rolling thunder is so annoying and tier 4's are now down.
Big initiation from Mal'Reen, stuck in the midst of all this, it's a lot of damage being applied,
but there's the Sunray, gonna heal up everybody.
And with that found, the soft reset.
Still no primal for 20 seconds, Ancient Exposed, Skeeter's gonna focus on that right now.
A we do in the backline, he gets the Fallen Sky as well, onto the Queen of Pain.
In a lot of trouble, that is a dieback now for Laurel as they finish the Ancient while this happens.
the game. You know, it's
a really good game. It's
Falcons two. Oh, very easy
game for them. Man, it just
makes you wonder what a sick
game this ended up being. I did
nothing. Spirit could pull
this this late, but. What a
crazy, crazy late game. This
was and it obviously all goes
back to earlier in the game.
Imagine if in any of these
two games spirit don't just
get obliterated for 20
minutes straight in the
start like what if the game
was close? What if they
weren't so far behind so many
in terms of the early game from start.
What a game, Richard.
It was, and great job you guys as well.
You have nailed the key point I wanted to talk about,
just the inherent irony of a collapse-less spirit losing
a game due to having an age is stolen from them.
I mean, you couldn't write this in the script.
It's another Volatius special.
Yeah, that was crazy.
I mean, it's so tense even to watch a Dota game that
this late because you know that every player feels that a single bad decision or a single
good decision will result in you winning the game or potentially losing the game and being eliminated
from the tournament. So for Malrin to be in this scenario where it's hyper late game
though the fights have been really hard they have to get the key targets and still
He can go into the the roast pit and do that one versus five
What a god-tier clutch from him this guy has nerves of steel
MVP of the series for sure all rain pangol scary hero level 30 always performs
Just beautiful to watch I think Dora from Malrain's up again in spirit
Feels like they woke up a bit too late in this game and they did put up a good fight in the end
They didn't manage to do it, unfortunately, maybe now they can talk about how they can
do better for the next tournament.
Yeah, I just, I don't know, it's always horrible to go out on a mistake like Cinderin said.
You know, the mistake you've made after fighting so hard and coming back into this series is inventory management.
That's what's going to be the factor in you going out.
That's just how it is in these like-game scenarios though.
Even the small details that you would normally never make the mistake, it can happen because
you're thinking about the weight of every single decision that you get lost in the minutiae
and you forget about the really basic things.
Now what's really strange is that it was Yatoro that made this mistake because this
is just not something that he does?
Yeah, and I think, Weehar, you mentioned it earlier, you know, Yatoros had some,
I mean, obviously weaker games, I'd say, than what we would expect.
Maybe partially his fault, maybe not.
You know, it just felt he wasn't in some of these games.
And then an uncharacteristic mistake at the end, you know, just...
Not a villager to remember for the better.
It happens. You get caught in the moment, you know, it's like 60-something.
You're sitting there in the rush pit.
You probably have like two extra items in the backpack after having six lost.
Probably switching items around.
It just happens
Get tired he had banner cheese in his inventory when he
They lost the game some people some players miss click it other things doing the event here
I'm not sure exactly what happened here. Well, we're about to see the game stuff
Okay, so oh
He clicked he took the cheese. He wasn't ready first of all, okay
So first he wasn't ready with his inventory then he clicked the cheese and then he took the banner and then he took the refresher
I mean at some point you can't really blame the player anymore I feel like
clicking three out of you know the four items and all three of them are just
not what you're looking for not necessarily the players fault sometimes
they just stack up badly the screen maybe it's a little bit on the right side
maybe on top yeah can't can't fully blame them for sure yeah I think to be in
that scenario in the first place.
Any pro Dota player is going to think, well, we shouldn't be playing a 60 minute plus game,
regardless.
That means everybody has essentially made mistakes.
Unless you're Falcons where you calculate, and then you have to be on the way to play,
then you can go to 60 plus minutes.
But I don't think, I actually, I remember seeing an interview with Laurel where somebody
asked him, like, does he enjoy the late game Dota?
Do they thrive in it?
And he said, fuck no, we hate it, but we just keep going there, but we don't
want to lose.
So we'll keep trying, we'll keep trying.
Like that Spirit is not the type of team that likes to do this.
It's just that they're very good at it.
But in this series, obviously Falcons was the dominant ones
in the hyper light game.
I mean, they definitely brought the better version
of themselves in the series.
Yeah.
I mean, I will say this, you know, obviously,
Falcons is still in the tournament.
We saw them have a very rough day at the office yesterday
against Team Liquid.
And then, you know, few mistakes here and there
in this series as well.
So whether it's prime Falcons or not moving forward, we will see.
But for now, I'll throw you over to Slacks.
He's going to interview one of the Falcons players.
Absolutely.
Yep, I am here with Snaking.
Snake, thank you so much for coming in.
I've got to be honest with you, Snaking.
I've seen your team several times.
I've seen you several times.
And you guys, your vibe right now
is I've seen you happier to be in an exit interview than how
you are right now.
What is going on in the team after that series?
I think we're just all exhausted.
I think the emotions already rent really high really low throughout the various points of the game
So I think everyone just relieved at the end of it. Yeah, absolutely
It was a truly exhausting one not only I'm sure to play but to watch too
I mean so many big high so many big moments don't even hardly remember game one
I think you were enchantress on that one. Do you have any memories about game one that stick out to you?
Yeah, I think we gated top at minute five and then like we just absolutely destroyed red dawns game
Yeah, oh red on is that what we call our boy whenever he's lost. I like that. Okay. This was definitely a red on series that I
Suppose sure
All right, well, let's go to the more exciting in my opinion game that roast pit steel was unbelievable
Super super hyped obviously you just saw it. Did you know in game that Yathrow picked up all those items?
In that in the game or did you just see it for the first time on our replay?
I mean we didn't know exactly what was left in the pit, but we just knew he did not pick up ages
Because they took him like four seconds to pick up the ages and the stars eventually have blinking just blinked and stole it
What was that conversation like was it him just saying guys? I'm going in was there any arguing was it you making that call?
Can we talk a little bit about what communication is like in that hyper late game when everything is on the line?
I think during that point everyone is just kind of dead silent
It's just like everyone's just absolutely zoned in on what they have to do and then when Mallory saw the opportunity to take the ages
He just went in and said watch me and then like everyone's just like coming in to help him
He did watch me. That's that's a terrifying thing to hear from a mid laner at 65 minutes. Oh god
So were you confident in that though? Did you think that everyone was in the right position? It was a good move
I mean, I think once we got the ages steal and they were chasing stars like it was a desperate for them already
I think there was no chance they wouldn't this fight
But then they they kind of just kept chasing and they're just desperate at that point
They lost absolutely well. We've talked to a team spirit before especially Laurel about late game scenarios like that
He said that his team does not prefer them
I know the Falcons typically does get in late game because you know
It's you know the mathematical way you should not push high ground is the typical Falcon style
Do you enjoy playing like games like that? Was that a you don't seem like it?
Do you like it? I mean from my position as Marana in that game
The game was about to be fun because like I hit level 30 necrobux no longer true site
like they're not going to see anything. When I picked up the Octurine but never even got to use
Octurine 30 on Marana and like they'll never see opponents at the late game at the stage.
Yeah I always do see a huge smile every time that you get to get Marana or one of your iconic
heroes. Is that your most enjoyable hero still? I mean if we get to play that game for 10 more
minutes for sure it's the most it's going to be most enjoyable where they will not see us
and we will see them. Hell yeah all right always a pleasure Sney thank you so much best
Best of luck in your future games.
Always fun to see the boys come out
after a long earned victory.
And we will see another victory coming your way
with our panel.
Good for you.
You win with this panel.
We're all winners, Slacks.
Yeah, I don't know, he's just delirious, isn't he?
It's been already a long day for the interviewers.
He'll be here for more for the rest of the series.
We won't.
But anyway, wrapping it up, Snake King there,
made me feel a little bit sorry for him
because he says, you know, it would have been nice
if you had 10 more minutes the game would have been fun.
Yeah, I mean, SnakeHang, historically,
he's gone a lot of farm, but he always buys the cut items.
Like he's getting a lot of sword, pipe,
he's going to protect his team,
but he wants to play for the fun.
He's a carry at heart.
And all your daughter player can go 65 minutes and say,
yeah, 10 more minutes would have been fine.
Yeah, that has to be the focus.
That is the donor mindset.
Anyway, guys, it's been great hanging out with you
over the course of the day.
we are now going to a break and replacing the crew,
you will see different people when we return.
The human body was built to move, not trapped as a test in one singular posture for 12
hours a day. It's time your chair evolved. This is Secret Lab Titan Evo.
Ergonomically engineered for youth, gamers, hybrid workers, artists. Back in your every move.
I'm good, I'm good.
All right, very good.
How much did you study the patch when it came out?
Actually, I still didn't read all the patch.
You did?
Yeah.
I did.
You did?
Yeah.
I did.
I still didn't read all the patch here.
You still have not read the entire patch notes?
Yeah.
Been out for a while, Wyman.
What number patch are we on right now?
741B.
Is it correct or what?
Yeah.
All right.
Let's get started.
You want to move as fast as possible and pick the right
ones.
It's all about how many we get correct.
Are you ready?
OK.
All right.
Let's punch it.
Here we go.
Which of the following spells does not have 10 bullet points of change information on the original page?
Elder Dragon form, Ring of Fire, Finger of Death, Deploy Turrets, or Divider We Stand.
Each one of these has 10 bullet points, except for one.
Which is the shortest?
Uhh...
If you don't know, you should guess. We're ticking down the clock here.
What's the simplest one?
Tinker's Deploy Turrets?
No, no, that's very complicated, White Mon.
It is not that one.
It was Finger of Death, I'm afraid.
So sorry.
On to the next.
Tessa's Raptor Dance provides magic immunity.
True or false?
Uh, false?
That is correct, White Mon.
Well done, they removed that.
Which of the following does Bloodstone do?
Gives 15 int, applies a disfail, blood pack,
resturs mana, or you can deny yourself again.
Uh.
applies to basic misspell?
Used to!
They remove that in the new bloodstone.
It gives 15 in now.
So sorry, one more.
15 in?
Yeah, well, OK, well.
We just improved your game a little bit.
Partisan's brand will not do increased spell damage
to which of the following?
Lone Druid's Bear, Terribleid Illusions, Raith King's
Skeleton, or Chen Zellet.
But what is Partisan's brand?
It is a neutral item that gives 9% additional damage
to all player-controlled units.
Oh, that one.
Yeah, I see.
Uh, I guess, uh, illusions?
That aren't the illusions?
I'm afraid not, Leibman.
It's the Skelly boys.
Skeleton boys, but it's OK.
You can kill Zeus by using a blade mail in Nimbus now.
True or false?
False?
That's true, Leibman.
You're really pissing me off.
Let's go to the next one.
Techies is now able to plant bombs mid-flight during blast off.
Yeah, true.
Yeah, what do you know?
All right, true.
Have you done that?
Yeah.
Okay, great.
Unlike allied heroes, enemy heroes are able to consume items left on the ground by a forager's
kit.
True or false?
If you drop a nut, an enemy can come and gobble it up.
Real?
I think true.
That is true.
You're right.
You can do that.
You shouldn't.
The following heroes did not have a game breaking bug in 7.41, Mipo, Warlock, Chen, or Rubik,
but it first came out.
Only one didn't.
Yeah, I mean, Mipo and Chen for sure, Rubik or Water, maybe Water.
Everyone says that one, but no, with Catalyst, it could instigate people.
Very sad.
All right, last one, 10 seconds, Darkseer's vacuum was once again modified.
True or false?
Did they change vacuum?
Uh...
Wipe on!
False.
False!
That is... correct!
They did not change vacuum, well done.
Ladies and gentlemen, not too bad!
Why don't we play a lot of these games?
I think this is the best you've ever done, I want to be.
How does it feel to be your own personal record of zero?
It's good!
Feel good?
I don't know.
Why did they keep fighting each other?
I don't know, why they could be fighting each other?
I'm so glad.
Way on.
We need to consistently see your improvement, every single Valakia.
This is the best we've done yet.
Thank you so much.
Incredible performance.
Thank you.
And we'll have you back next time for season nine, but right now, you're still with
PGL Valakia, season eight.
as Richard promised, we have changed the people for the second half of the day. We are going
to move from lower bracket to upper bracket. I'm Shiva Robbie, your host for this one
together with LaCoste and Tiga. We'll talk all about the four teams. We'll be covering
with the first two teams up diving straight into it with LaCoste. We got Aurora, we
got Paravision and they are fighting for guaranteed top three.
Yep, should be a banger. We saw Aurora not dropping a single series so far. They
They look extremely crisp. I would say they did manage a couple of comebacks as well.
This is a very resilient team that knows how to play these mid and super late game fights.
I mean, I'm just happy that we have two teams that already played against each other in the
group stage. It was a 2-1. So even though Aurora is looking really dominant, we have
seen P-Vision take a game of them. That is, you know, room to build from, room to
understand how to make this best of three competitive. Like all the best of threes
we've been having today, it feels like.
Yeah, it should be it should be a competitive best of three. That's for sure
And when we're focusing on all these games
We are we like to look at how the players have been performing and of course we look at great records
But we also look maybe add a little bit less great records for some of the players like off
Yeah, especially because you know you see the
Supports are kind of right or darling like they they are playing here because what are you doing?
They're playing for their carries, which their carries their mid laners because it does feel like they are
Sacrificing themselves a lot in a way where they are getting those extra bit of a debt
You see Kiori Mira and actually top three most that so far out of all 16 teams
And then least that you have Mikoto and nightfall averaging slightly above two per game
Which are still pretty insane. They've been winning most of their games
So the stats are you know in their favor, but overall this is how things should be I would say
I don't know how you feel about it. No, I kind of kind of agree here
I think supports are the ones that need to at least post-fies into die a little bit in the early game to take the smoke
Sports for me to die in the mid game to initiate the fight be the crazy man to allow people to shine and clearly based on the stats
That's the layering that's allowing you know Aurora to look so good
Yeah, would you then also judge if you see a support without any deaths? Oh?
Yeah, I don't like to see that because we have seen it a few times
Okay, depends on the hero right like if I'm seeing like a like a lion with zero death
You're not going it for example yesterday. I think we had a zero deaths game on Windranger
Yeah, I say that they also had like three four kills in both of the game
So it does happen, but the Windranger is a bit of a damage that it's a lot. Yeah, it's here very much hero dependent
But yeah, okay, well, we also look at some positive stats to go of course
Yeah, when I saw you put your request in about supports feeding
I was like, you know what I'll try and find a way to praise him instead
So I had a look at the damage numbers, right?
Sure the supports might have to die for the greater good of the smokes
But I think kaiori he's one of the most aggressive fights that we're gonna see simply through the damage done in the laning phase
And it's just kind of testament to to both position fights
I think do Carlos as well is able to do that. Yeah, we do have the
Damage numbers at the the minute six marks or so you went for why minute six
So minute six was before the wisdom fight which naturally drags cause into engagements where you get to throw big spells
to secure it. So I thought minute six felt quite nice, you know before the big
breakdown of the game and you can see here you know speed at the top of all
players for damage at six minutes with 3700 and all the top damage at this
minute mark this is taking every player in the tournament by the way. It's mainly
the fight right? Sure, Chiro Junior he's slotted in there quite nicely above
Xnova but I think Kairi and DeKalis when you have players like Nightfall,
Light Satanic, you want to do as much as you can in the lane so they
can just disappear into the jungle and be insanely farmed so you know statistically
kaiori to Carlos respect them in the lane they're going to bring the damage they're
going to bring the fight yeah and if you're not ready things can go wrong yeah because
like kaiori he's playing good you know he's still playing jacquero he's still
playing his warlock venom answer phoenix is the big one this hero once you hit
level two you're basically doing like 500 600 damage with the blood grenade
yeah but even to Carlos right he's playing some of the same heroes you've
mentioned that was saying from kaiori but he's playing let's say I'm a
marana right and he's utilizing marana to chase down the lane hello we're talking about you yep that's exactly it and yeah it's just it's just fun when
podfives have this mentality it makes the laning just a lot more enjoyable to watch yeah it has been it has been quite the ride speaking of
enjoyable to watch for for example for paravision a lot of their last most recent games they were so they were like on a 17
game win streak and since they got their win streak broken by Aurora of course it has been a bit
rocky and they have been taking every series to a third game which obviously i'm incredible to them
they came out on top of most of them but it does mean that the stability that they had before that
is kind of lacking and i wonder if we kind of know what happened there like why where did
the consistency go i feel like they are pushing the boundaries a little bit on their creativity
And then that's maybe having some different opinions across the team and not even that like in the game
I feel like this tournament compared to other ones when like a mistakes happened
I feel like certain players just look more annoyed at the mistakes being made. Oh, yeah
I don't think it's the same really like satanic had moments
No one's had moments even during draft is like these reactions
So it just feels a bit more of an emotional tournament for p-vision compared to some of their very disciplined ones that we've seen in the past
Yeah, the double face bombs on camera. Yes, it doesn't help
especially in a high-pressure game but we can look at some of the hero pools that
they've been playing like it's very interesting to me what Satanic has been
playing this term these are not like traditional carries by any means he's
playing a lot of Kez and the two like like they've been very successful at
sitting at 85% when right out of seven games but he's playing PL he's playing
TB and he did bang out that one Nipo game so his hero pool looks completely
different than other carry in the tournament. Yeah, all I'm saying here is it's Kez and
some Scaly carries, that's basically it. There's been a lot of Kez. Yeah, quite a lot, but
it really, I think when they look the best is the Kez that plays into the map. You're
buying like, I mean he's to be fair, more battle fury compared to other carry players
on the Kez, but still it's, he still plays into the game quite quickly on the hero.
Yeah, there was one hero also, the common hero group that we saw that we wanted to
touch upon, because this is a hero that will be in contention, probably the puck, we have
to talk about the Mikoto puck, yeah, or Lacoste, sorry.
I mean, every time we mention this guy, he is mentioned, like we're talking about GPK,
Nisha puck, Mikoto puck, definitely up there.
And yeah, in the last 20 games that he played, he has insane win rate, he's sitting
at like 80 plus win rate, he is just dominating and had to double check what has been
happening, like when did they decide to pick the hero? So he's been picked in the first phase
four times, 50% win rate. So the later they pick the hero, the win rate goes better for them. Mostly
it has been picked out of those 20 games, like 14 times in the second phase, which does allow
other teams as well to maybe sneak in some counter, but once it's last picked, it's kind of GG.
Yeah, now he is incredible on the hero, but you are facing, you know, no one on the other
other side, you know, most competitive game-side is Puck for no one. He knows this hero, he
wants to also play Void Spirits and the Embers and the other heroes to try and punish it.
So I think a lot of these drafts will be the consideration. Does P-Vision respect the
Puck? Are they taking it for themselves? Are they pre-emptively picking heroes? Because
I think both teams, if they see the read on the game that Puck can, just 1v9, I
mean both teams are going to take it. But because of how much of a specialist both
of these players are, they will consider it. Even though no one in this tournament,
I think he he's only picked up the puck recently
He's been opting more towards as you can see the invokers and the voice Brits
Quite a quite a mix of heroes to be fair from the meddling unlike some of the other here players that we've had where they
Kind of locking in tools. We say flash rack is the like more interesting one because they use it as a flex as well
That is play it three times and also tight hunter. They're using they have like this
Weird flex between tight and lash rack which other teams don't really want to use so it's something interesting
When he was playing Tidehunter, they did lose that game, but it also looked very good because of the, like, how the rest of the team played around him.
He didn't put any points in the gush, he was just sitting there completely free farming as well, and then going back to what Tidehunter does, farm some stacks, and then start to scale.
Yes, with the left rack though, it's like a hero that they played against Aurora in Game 2, they win on Game 2.
Game 3, I believe it gets fully ignored, and since then they just haven't really gone back for it.
So maybe it's a hero that is in conversation gone
It was kind of cool for group stage, but as the kind of the tournaments progressed we lose value in it
But there's a hero that P vision hasn't really gravitated towards
I would like to see it personally. Well something that we won't see is the kez actually first phase respected on the side of aurora
So satanic will be forced to play something
Different which we know he's capable of but obviously we saw the win rates and he has looked very good on that kez
for this first game all the best of three it's gonna be Paravision on first pick so
they've done that with their bands they have the Alchemist Lundruid and the
tiny removed from the pool it will be Aurora that has overall last pick and
second pick they remove Iocas Slardar and Monkey King and we'll see where they
go with that it's the Phoenix yeah the Phoenixes, the Batriders, there's Rubik's
Glinty because we see Queen of Pain picked up at the end now more often
Pango, same story, and for a while those two heroes were first phase priority.
Pango especially but seems like teams are still respecting potential Grimstroke
coming out, Beast Masters as well. Any of these annoying spells we also seen like a
bloodseeker earlier today. They're still gonna be picking it up because like
even if you watched the previous series he was playing it into Grimstroke it's
just too good of a hero. Like we're back in meta where Pango just does
everything again. Yeah I mean it's even like the we saw earlier today as well in the heroic series
right the pangolin to bloodseeker yeah you get ruptured okay sure I'll row on tp and I'll cancel
my roll in my base right it's like there's multiple ways to counter what people the community deems
to be like the hardest counter. Didn't bloodseeker still win? That wasn't rare drafting that was
let's look at that. It was quite the beckham fourth and not just because of bloodseeker.
All right, so we do have the pango still as the answer with instant two bands with the ursa and the windranger on the side of
Paravision they are wasting no time
Yeah, I want to see what they're going to be picking on 13 whether they want to get the rubik for themselves to block the
Block the underlord pick maybe hoodwink. We haven't seen them play silencer yet
They are not a silencer team. It's just going to be hoodwink. This hero is too good right now
It just gives you pretty much everything
It's also the fact that they're coming into the series right night for has played five carries so far. What are the five bands from p-vision?
I've carries the ones that he's played
Great prep from puppy. They loaded off the old website gone. All right boys. He's like position one
I don't even need to look at other positions. It's on the top. Let's bend these heroes exactly. Yeah
So again, we'll see how it works
And of course we we did speak about the importance of puck with the pango getting picked
The puck can be played in the mid lane, potentially forcing the pango to go off lane, sorry
Yeah, the no one puck. We heard GPK talk about puck yesterday and he was was pretty clear that if you don't
Slow him down in the lane stage, he used different words
But that means that we should see from Aurora some pressure
coming to that mid lane with the supports?
I think teams are getting really good at picking heroes where you know the obvious counters
where it's like, if they take, let's say the Void Spirit on Aurora
I don't think people even care, you already have a Tide in the Phoenix that don't care much about the Void Spirit
the Park in the matchup, sure the lane is a little annoying
but throughout the game you can turn the game back around towards him
so I like the confidence of picking it due to the draft setup so far
Like Aurora, they do seem to think that Phasas Void is the counter to Tidehunter, because you don't care about Kraken Shell, like there's no way of you getting out of the chrono, this is pretty similar to Black Hole's back in the day's Doom on top of that.
But he also played against Tidehunter in that one game, when he was playing Phasas Void, also did opt to go for Silver Edge, so having a break mechanic on top of having the hoodwink Alti, and the nox saves whatsoever on side of Paravision.
So I might want to see something that's going to give them that extra bit of own
Maybe some like shadow demon, maybe a ring master, but then again, you have limited amount of control
Maybe they want to have something to deal with this faceless void. Yeah, I'd also like to apologize for the nightfall fans
He has played five heroes, but one of them was void. He hasn't played alchemist yet
So P vision not doing their prep correctly. Oh, because the fight. Yeah, the five carries bad. Actually, they let one through
So yep my bad on that one miss read, but either way
Yeah, very very strong planet from Aurora. It's pretty much just strong lanes that can do damage
You're gonna know the cause we'll get online and I'm expecting a bit of pacing from P vision
They're gonna go for the meeper. Well, hopefully this time around they ban out the queen of pain
He also say what two daggers and another dagger then boom
I've I've not seen that
Yeah, I'm sure that they can work in the Queen of Pia, they're very much at bounding that.
It's just to eat like sure you can make the argument of like the meeper player can micro
the meeper is away and then they can do other things and blah blah blah or just ban it.
So you get to play the meeper game you want to play right.
But yeah on paper meeper is going to be pretty good here the just the the nets are
just really nice. Yeah, exactly. I really hate to play into these root mechanics, especially if you
have like extra follow-ups of silence into multiple routes into another low cooldown silence into ravaging
to like leash from tight hunter. There's a lot of these low cooldown spells that are going to be
very annoying for Aurora. Yeah, it's nice for the meepo where it's like you're going to have
this like mid-portion of the game where you're quite tanky. If you do have like the
the SCARDI, the MEGA MEPO, you can eat the corona for your team, not really care. Of course,
as the game progresses even further, you can just die, right? It is kind of going to go
back and forth in that regards. I think for P-Vision, they just need to find that four
position that brings a bit more fight to the early game.
Where's the core ET from the off lane?
Where is it?
Yeah. Hard to be found, huh?
Coming down this game, that's the MEPO.
Does it still make the glyph stronger? The glyph? Strong glyph?
I'm not sure. No, is there a move speed? Did they remove that? I think they removed that part
Like you saw ET players they have one job once they dive I gotta click that glyph for extra damage from the tower
No, we're in the clear. It is momentum. It's your armor based on your move speed. So it's no more big glyph
Okay, so husk are getting banned out there last we are looking for hero most likely for night class
It will be the keeper of the light
At the end of the day
Yeah, it's just gonna secure the like the the early game pressure, right?
It's the the tides gonna have multiple gushes you then go go to puck
Just keep them on the map always have that manner and then through the the noise of puck tide and their laning phase
Meepo then slot in behind and go. Thank you very much for the early game space
I will try and take over from your success in the first 15
But do you want to put Pango into the mid lane here, into the puck, or you want to throw him
towards the Mipo, and then you try and find a hero to shut down the puck. It's quite an awkward
debate, but I think it's kind of loose, loose potentially. I'm looking more for the off lane,
I'm going through the hero list that WS does play. Trying to find that hero.
They'll just do the thing that you guys said, the Void Spirit mid.
It's the classic. Aurora just has a very clean looking lineup. It also has items, it can do
everything you want, it can split push, it can take team fights, it can secure objectives,
it can do a little bit of everything which is nice. The major fear is what can it do
to P-Vision's best timing, which is that kind of 10-20 mark of the game, right?
What about the keeper? What's his real purpose in this game? He doesn't provide
you with much damage. The only hero that kind of benefits from the cooldown is Puck. You can use
it on Nepo but it's like nothing crazy. Isn't it just helping the thumb of Titan Puck, right?
Yes. You secure the lane, you make some stacks, you walk mid. Make some stacks,
number one cap stacks, 17 stacks. That's a lot of stacks. That's for him.
him that. I'm so sorry Illuminate accidentally took half of them, it's my apologies. I like
Aurora's draft just for the simplicity of it. They have a very clear hurdle to get over.
Once they do that it's more unknightful to show kind of chrono discipline. He has to
just chrono the right guy, get the kill. Game should be easy, but I'm looking at like
35 minutes plus for them to be happy. Before that I'm looking at Pvision to really utilize
all these kind of like early little advantages they have the coil the meepo tankiness the fact
tide is uncannable like you have to utilize that from p-vision how do they what's the deal
how do you deal with the meepo well like what is the solution that aurora has or is it no longer
the type of hero that needs to be solved in that way i mean they can also play a longer
fight even without chrono they have a lot of annoying spells for meepo as well mega meepo
got nerfed pretty heavily as well.
90 second cooldown was it?
I think it's now 120 maybe.
Either way it's got up by like 30 seconds.
Yeah.
Okay so they're good basically.
Aurora versus the Mipo.
Just try that.
Eventually good.
Okay eventually good.
As for Paravision you want to see them very active early on.
Does it also mean a lot of rotations coming here from the supports?
Or where is that aggression coming from?
I just want to see a lot of confidence from the Taitantham.
where he steps up into his lane and says, I'm on killable.
Then I want no one to have the same aura.
I just want to see them play as if they can't die,
because that will then just cascade into a really scary game.
Yeah, I kind of agree with that one.
I think it's going to be like, they have to slow things down.
This is not like super explosive lineup.
It's not like too much damage.
Supports from Aurora, they do a lot.
So if they're paired up with the Woodford,
who's not the most damage dealing hero in the game,
especially at the early levels, I think that they're okay.
I think they're going to be able to match up
what they want to do on the other side.
Do they have the freedom to go mid to annoy no one on this puck?
Not the easiest hero to kill in this game, but they're definitely going to be there.
But I'm not sure if they're good. Yeah, they could stand there, secure the rune.
Okay, yeah, that's possible.
OK, well, before we head into the game, we're first going to see who slacks found.
I found one of the best in the world here.
We have KP here for this team.
Are you ready for the interview? No. Great.
Let's start things off with some background info.
Now I did some actual sleuthing for once in my life and I found something very interesting about you
They call you the green machine this guy has come every single day with not one but two
Machas you're a matcha drinker that is wild. What do you think that does to your brain?
Why would you drink that disgusting amalgamation of liquid?
I mean, I'm all about the matcha propaganda, you know like the performative male. That's me and
You know, I'm an Asian, you know like Australian Asians
So gonna fit in you know really bringing that in what doesn't have any positive benefits that might a that grass drink
The I think it does
That's really neat. Thank you so much for that insight fantastic
Let's talk a little bit about the game yet again. We're seeing the pink layer come out here
I think he's been every single game today, but surprisingly you guys get the faceless void now
I think they banned five night ball heroes if that's correct
They let one go through was that an insta lock on that void or was it something besides that?
Uh, that's something I'm not gonna tell you, but, uh, sort of expected, sort of insoloc- yeah, but, yeah, kind of expected, bro.
Alright, fair enough. Keep your secrets. Alright, last conversation here. Are you worried at all about this draft?
Because we did see the boy come out, obviously, it's gonna be hype. We saw the meepo!
This surprise pick, although it's never won a game so far.
But we did see it come out. Was that a worry for you in your draft? Did you have to adjust to that, or was it okay?
It's okay. I think pango is pretty good against people like
it's just overall like a strong hero and
we've also had some experience playing against a syrian scream, so
Not surprised, you know, we know how to play against it. You know what we know what the hero does
You know, it should be fine guys. Don't worry. All right sounds great. Well. Thank you so much for your time
We are here the Macha man is ready to see how this one turns out. Let's pass it over to lizard and snare
Thank you very much Slax and KP and here we go Liz at first blood has already been drawn by
Parryvision this is a game where Aurora classic draw from them. Four protect one make sure that
Nightfall is the big bad knocker in the late game but they are dealing with the Mipo and you
big Liz the biggest Mipo spammer I know how free of a Mipo game is this? It's pretty free
like when I'm looking at the Mipo I I agree with KP and what he said about pango I feel
like Pango is one of the better heroes in the game against Mipo.
Earthbinds and all that stuff, it can mess with you, but you can still shieldcrash through it.
And guess what? Shieldcrash attaches on every single Mipo, giving you some insane shield after.
Of course, Pango also got buffed, so you get some kills in the lane, like this one.
In general, it's a good answer, but I don't think it's enough.
For me, this still looks like a pretty damn free Mipo game.
Like, you can do all the things that you want to do with Mipo.
The itemization is free. You don't have to adjust into an early agonies or anything like that.
You can move through the Twin Gates to harass the enemy carry because Faceless Void has nothing against the Meepo early on.
Time walk, you cannot use that when you're Earthbound.
And you have no concern about the time dilation after the poofs?
No, not really. It's not something that you worry about at all on the hero.
Like the matchup itself is really good for me, Paul.
Until Faceless Void is like Giga-Farmed.
Once he's Giga-Farmed, he literally does not care.
Well, Faceless Void right now.
I've already lost a hero in this lane, but...
He's gonna be going for this early helm of the Dominator.
It's his build only, right? Like, in previous patches,
everyone was doing this build on Faceless Void,
but right now I feel like he's the only one that...
is still keeping the dream alive.
He still builds the dorm.
9th class, getting no blast back onto Kaori.
Triple S will come through with the gush, but will he be able to close the gap?
Blood grenade was dropped through.
Kaori still flapping his wings away.
9th class will have an illuminate blast ready in a moment.
Not even necessary.
It's Triple S.
Get some anchor smash kill.
Losers his courier, but definitely worth it.
That's a second death on a Jekiro versus a Kaudal lane, by the way.
Like in the last patch, this would never happen.
Jekiro would solo zone both of you, but...
Can we move the camera to Nightfall?
Because Zatanic is just staying with one of the Mipo's notes.
Nightfall is actually trying to run away.
The Earthbind missed from Zatanic, unfortunately, so Nightfall got off the Timewalk and he should be fine.
Mipo was still on his tail, but in the end it seems like he will give up.
The Earthbind did miss because of the blinding light. It moved him a little bit too far back, so it didn't connect in the end.
Satanic we've already seen in those tournaments just how effective it can be when you have a hero
I can just you know play the map scout vision just create problems everywhere
That's top lane end up using the phoenix yet again mirror with the observer or drop down behind the tail on tower
able to catch up to the phoenix and the position fives are really not having fun this game keep in mind if you are Mipo in
This game you're constantly eyeing a carry kill on the other side like you always want to use this twin gate
One of the reasons why Mipo has played so much on the safe lane and no longer on mid.
Top lane though, maybe a kill on Mira.
The bind will come out, will the poofs be there?
No, beautiful pushback from Mira.
Could still have a hoodwink death here though.
Will pop the fairy fire to delay it.
But eventually it goes down.
Carlos gets credit for the kill, but Titanic finally gets involved in some action.
It's a choice that you can make, right?
Like whenever you're rotating through the train gate, you can still poof back
If an opportunity arises, you can get a support for an offering kill or a carry kill on the other side.
Let's talk about this mid lane for a second. We've seen this lane many, many, many a time.
Yesterday when we saw no one play this, he had the tree in protective behind him and that living armor
allowed him to win this lane when he had no business doing so.
But this seems like a more, you know, natural situation here in this mid.
It's more natural in a way that no one is being heavily supported by a secondary hero, right?
But at the same time, Puck is doing really well.
This is a lane where Void Spirit should do a bit better in the laning stage itself.
And then down the line Puck with the Dreamcull with the Silences has a better time.
But so far so good for no one.
Gonna have a dive.
To Carlos just zoning back Mira.
No one in 9th class is trying to make their way over, but they won't be able to catch
up even Satanic coming through with one of the clones.
WS though.
That's the kill.
He finds to Carlos before he's able to retreat to safety.
Another kill, he's involved in three kills already on this pango.
And you were mentioning how important he's going to be to deal with this Mipo later.
I feel like the way he deals with Mipo is a bit different than some other heroes
the panel talked about, like an elder titan who has been tested, I believe,
recently, not in this tournament, but recently versus Mipo as well.
Some of these heroes like Thimber-Saws and elder titans,
They can literally solo the Mipo at some point.
Pangolier, he's there to make your game as rough as possible, right?
Like all the AoE stuns, and the fact that it's very difficult to kill him through the game,
make the game a bit nasty for the Mipo.
The shield will not know one. Mike decides to go to the top lane.
He's on the way right now. Carlos is here too, and they will go up to Mira.
The poofs will come out, would make falling very low.
He's dead just yet. Will he burn out in the end? Icarus, I have applying the dots.
Mira will end up falling. One is here looking for the steal on the Shrine of Wisdom.
He wants to get it. On the other side Nightfall is doing more or less the same thing.
He thought about it at least, but didn't commit in the end.
Overall, when it comes to these two supports, like Hoodwing and Phoenix, in the early stages of the lane,
bullies you, but through the game I feel like it's a pretty good matchup for Phoenix.
Every time you will get a couple of fire spirits on top of the Hoodman, the hero just melts.
Works with no HP, no magic resistance, so very difficult for Mira to stick around in
the top laner.
WS making good progress towards having that diffusal blade, and keeping a lot of eyes
on him, but especially Satanic.
What is the preferred build right now on this meepo?
I would say that this hero currently is actually unexplored when it comes to build.
I would say that there is a lot of different builds that you can go for.
Cetanic, what I've noticed from him at least.
Oh, first boss same, mid lane actually can connect onto both heroes, 9th loss and no
one.
They'll have enough damage to kill off 9th loss, unfortunately Kaori cannot escape
this either.
Strupples made his way towards this mid lane, does have access to ravage so
So maybe they want to trigger the ravage bottom, have a twin gate rotation from the meepo, kill off the faces Void.
It's definitely a viable option, when meepo has a couple of resources to work with, right now he's very low on mana and HP mid blade.
They get a bushwreck out onto no one but doesn't manage to escape for now.
Nine claws port back in, flies a chakra magic.
Did he have a tango? He didn't have a tango. He didn't have a tango. He didn't have a crawling blade.
I think there is this interaction between the pull from Void Spirit and the bushwhack that messed it up, right?
Because the bushwhack just stopped working, it disappeared.
There's a couple of spells that actually just mess up bushwhack.
Like Void Spirit's pull is one of those and I believe Slark's leash as well.
Like if a target is leashed and then you use the bushwhack, the moment the leash ends, the bushwhack ends as well.
It's definitely unintended, but...
small indie game very early in its development you know I mean the dota files
in the game still say dota 2 beta we're not out yet eventually no one
in my class we heard from the panel about how much my class lost the stack
six camps stacked in total fire from my class this is one of the best things
that you can do with coddle right like especially when you have someone as beefy
as Tide on the offlane. You can feed him Ana, secure his lane, and then he's past the
unkillable, right? At the same time, you've got... Okay, let's look at it again.
Yeah, you're right.
Just instantly disappears, right? Like the same moment.
But yeah.
Offlane, they're looking for Decalis. The pushback will not connect this time around
in Decalis. No longer has access to the Icarus Tide though, so should still
die in the end here. Doesn't seem like anybody need from Paravision has interest
and saving him. You can potentially pressure the tower here, now that you have Kaori, three
points into the liquid fire if tower should fall.
Absolutely, one of the best usages of Jakiro in the last patch and in this one, rock up
to a tower, just use your liquid fire 24-7 on it, make sure that it falls immediately.
No one, doesn't have to worry about these supports, so you can play a bit aggressively
in the name has his witch play being built up already has the quarter stuff
into the or the oblivion stuff rather going for the witch play right it's
very close to it constantly being fat man as well by coddle I love the
adjustment by the way this build that nine classes rocking I've seen it first
on GH maybe a bit over half of a year ago it became the standard and I just
The Holy Locket glimmer cape build, like after Holy Locket what you build is up to you, but
Holy Locket just makes your blast even better, and you're maxing out Chakra magic.
You're not playing around Illuminate, you're playing around the mana, of course in the
cooldown reduction that you will give to your teammates, a lot of really good things
that you can reduce in this game, anything from Paco of course, and the Titan too.
Titan is cleaning up the Tio on tower as the pango takes a pretty massive stack
on the other side of the map.
Doesn't have mana for WS, so won't be able to respond to any potential moves.
Paravision is mounting one as we speak, but no real vision on the priority targets.
They have to go back.
They got scanned as well, right? Makes a pretty heads-up scan from Radiance.
So they understand what is happening.
Pangolier even TPing out. They want to fight this.
Now keep in mind they have Chrono.
They have Diffuse alone, Pangol.
More or less they are ready.
smoke up 3 heroes, Mikoto is going to be leading the charge here, oh Dukalus breaks the smoke
but he's still going to jump on the back lines, looking towards 9 claws, could be a very straightforward
kill, Mira gets the credit for it, he really wanted the puck though.
The reward is the rune as well, puck is a hard kill, right, at the moment at least
puck is not that simple to catch, no yawls, no agonist scepter and void spirit, so
probably not the one that they expected to kill anyway, roughly.
out into triple S, not enough damage yet and he still has the soul ring so he could pop the
ravage at any given time. And to your point about the Yul Scepter, he's actually queuing it up right
now. I'm not going to go for the axe of the spirit vessel on Makoto straight into the Yul Scepter.
Coil lane. Makoto, will he be able to save Kaori here? Definitely not. No one able to help get
the kill. Do Kyle is low? As he falls lower, Makoto decides, you know what? I don't want to
commit for that kill, lest I die myself underneath the tier one. They had Pango and Swatming
nearby but not close enough to truly commit. Also there's a neg available so
going for that kill probably it wouldn't work in the first place.
So far the game is pretty even like a 3k lead for pervision 6 to 6 when it
comes to the kill score but I have to say from faceless void we had a couple of
really good games but this this game worries me a little bit like you're
You're playing into Dreamclaw, you're playing into Dead in the Water, you're playing against
Meepo which, through the game, like maybe 35 minutes plus, it's a good matchup for Void,
but before that point it's actually pretty damn good for Meepo.
You can use your Agony Scepter to pull the Meepos out of Chrono, like you can of
course use the Shard after the Chrono, you're naturally very tanky as well, so,
not really an easy game for Nightfall.
See if his team can make the space around him so that he can flourish in this moment in time.
WS pulling into a blink dagger soon.
I think it's pretty good from the side of Parryvision that, yeah, a couple of these smoke moves have come.
Supports have been dying, but by and large the cores have been pretty much untouched,
allowed to just get their items for later in the game.
They have been, they have been chilling.
Okay, 9 plus.
I'd have to deal with the rolling thunder here.
Coming through from WS.
There's the follow up though, Mikoto looking for an angle to jump into.
And Manclas has just been juking and dodging WS, not getting caught.
Finally does get brought down, but that will allow Carlos to get off the Supernova.
And here comes Zatanic, Earthbind out onto WS, just outside the range of the Supernova.
So he's going to be able to run, getting himself away in the meantime, deep in the river.
No one able to bring down Kaori and get back.
Mikoto unable to punish the puck.
They were thinking about going high ground even, but ok, in the end they take the 1v1 with a couple of big ulti's used of course.
What happened to the chronosphere by the way? I didn't catch that one while all of this was happening.
That's actually a very good question. Probably used on the Tidehunter right?
That would make the most sense. But why as well? Because everyone was fighting through middle.
Well maybe we'll find out what the replay, a triple S is on the front lines right now.
Can I get hit with a sharp shooter potentially? No! Oh it does catch him, just at the very end.
But there's no follow-up, he still has the stravage. He's also gone for the more aggressive build.
Blink into the Vladimir's offering, making sure that he can both initiate and support the Meepo in the middle of these fights.
He can defend, he can attack. It's a pretty standard build besides the Blink, I would say.
like the Vlad's is very common on Tide, it's either Vlad's or Raps at the moment, the Blink one however is a bit different, right?
Having Blink, he's making a statement that they want to play right now, this is their go-time and it's a pretty good go-time.
Observers have obviously showed us the SNY being completed on the Mipo, this is a pretty big power spike on him.
You don't really have to wait for way too many items.
Honestly, there was an interview where he talked trash, they can't talk trash about raps, it's a pretty good raps.
Ravage is going to be a Ravage on the 2, Mira is going to be the first one before here, and they break the leash on Mikoto, you're trying to get himself away.
But Dukalis able to get the kill, a double for the Phoenix, more experience for the Flappy Bird.
Down bottom, Knightfall could be in danger here, he doesn't have a Chronosphere anymore, slowed down by the Solar Bind, Earthbind is going to be there.
It's going to be there, Ducales has the supernova out, it crashes, it stuns him and they kill him off with the sunray.
It's a tannic first involvement in the game, very successful.
And that's the problem that Faceless War will have, all until he buys Manta or VKB.
That's one item that you can kind of, you can time it properly.
It's very difficult to keep on all of these routes if you Manta and instantly time walk after.
Keep in mind, the new build on Faceless Way that is becoming a bit more popular is Agon and Scepter.
So maybe that's one of the reasons that KP didn't want to really talk about.
The secret tech.
I mean, the AoE stun vs Nipo as well, not too bad.
Oh, J'Giro, the laser will come out, no one.
There's a right-click damage with the switchblade, but now Nightful and WS have come through for the punish.
We'll just throw out a token blast with the Illuminate, but he will end up dead.
There's no saving him. They are still chasing the Phoenix, no dive.
No dive available, no supernova either, so easiest killer of WS's life.
They'll take the opportunity to also go through the Twin Gate.
Unfortunately, while all this was happening, they do end up losing their tier one tower in the mid lane.
A pair of visionaries are playing the map really well, they're getting good trade offs
I have to still say, even after losing the two supports the trades are okay for them
and they're just getting more out of the map.
Mipo is farming basically the whole top, never being pressured at all.
Once he gets the scouting, I think that's it for them.
They literally have nothing to wait for.
You were talking about the get in the water, Triple S wins immediately for that
agonim shot before getting another item.
It's so huge, like the value of that in war in this game is like through the roof, so I agree with this.
I think that he should have rushed it and it's a good item to have.
Smoke up by triple S and no one, but they were scouted through the mid lane and they get scanned out once again.
So, Tidefall very safely will farm behind the tier 2 tower.
They'll even TP out just to make sure he survives.
Look at these heroes on the other side, like Faces Void, Void Spirit, Pango.
No one likes playing into routes.
Now you have an additional one.
I don't think you're not giving up, they're gonna go through the twin gate.
Nightfall, if he shows in this wave, they definitely will jump in immediately.
Trouble ass ready with the blink, Ravage is gonna go in, get the dead in the water.
Ravage not expended just yet, they might not even need it, as he's gonna fall anyway.
Thanks for the damage of no one.
Nipo in the meantime, got the earthbind, out onto the pangolia, preventing him from escaping as well.
Double kill for no one.
Calorie, absolutely no hope of escaping here my friend.
Zatanic is on your ass and he is gonna kill you off.
Triple S, unstoppable, Harry vision, dominating the maplest,
19 minutes with a 10 cake, Odie.
They absolutely are.
This is the best imagined start that they could have had.
The couple of series that they played recently,
the first game of the series was always testing some tech out.
If you remember, 9-Class Loan Druid as well,
first game of the series versus Rejects.
Then another game, I think they played Meepo into a Nerdshaker,
which didn't work out.
I think they took a little bit of time to refine their strats, and this is now looking very good.
Wyn is faceless for Wyrd going to be ready. He still doesn't even have his Yasha from his Mantar style.
Sitting with a maelstrom, helmet, a dominator.
You need time, Lizard. You need to find space for him.
At the faculty.
I don't know.
I'm dating. If there is 5v5, we fuck them.
Spoiler alert.
He did exactly that.
Yeah, pretty much what happened.
Bravish now expended again.
He's going to catch onto three.
Kaori is going to follow Mira into the grave.
WS trying to get himself out of here.
Swashbuckling away.
But as the supernova pops,
will he be past the range?
Yes, he will.
Rolling Thunder protects him for now.
They even brought back on Mira just in case.
A triple S with this blink dagger.
We've seen a lot of these hide-under games
where it feels like, you know,
the hero's struggling to really get himself involved
in the team fight.
This was one of those games where you don't have to go for an early agonimus, it's actually the shard that is really strong on him.
He gets the shard and the blink, like blink not only for the ravage but for the shards too.
Keep in mind that he can blink in, the dead in water has a pretty bad range, so if you blink in it's easier to catch the void spirit.
FacelessWid wanted to fight, he wanted to use the chrono, but Yag was already positioned
so well that it just absolutely zoned him.
Kuro, still hasn't really been able to utilize this dual scepter, and oh, unfortunately,
he's gonna have time to contemplate his adding choices in the fountain as he's probably
dying here.
Triple S, Wicked Sick, man, Parry vision, just not giving Aurora any room to breathe,
Zatanic, the Earthbind!
It canceled a TP from J'Kuro,
on the side of the map, no one thought about chasing WS and Mira.
That C's no need to do so.
Zatanic just continuing to farm up, almost has his agonim shard, already has a Skadi SMY.
He wanted to chase them, but the Dream Coil was already spent.
He missed with the initial Dream Coil, so he couldn't really continue.
This is basically a textbook Mipo game.
You have Skadi, you have your shard now, straight into the pit.
There is a play from Aurora and the play is chrono around the pit and try to win that fight around the big objective because
Generally, you don't really want to pressure high ground without getting ages on me poor most carries
so that's a chance for them to
Perhaps turn the game around at 16 KLE 22 minutes in is
It's looking rough
And it's not even like an alchemist loan drew it or whatever. It's just this me, bro
And things have gotten even rougher. Aeon disk has been picked up for the puck.
So the nightfall, if you was at least thinking, okay, we get a chrono on one of these cores,
we can kill them off, they're all getting so difficult to kill. Titan, Mipo was super tanky,
puck has Aeon disk. I don't know man, what moves can you even make right now for Aurora?
I actually, I don't really know if they have the damage to kill anyone but the puck when
it comes to cores. At the moment at least, they need way more time.
Nicoto, Zed Park is going to find his counterpart from the mid lane, Triple S on top of him,
doesn't even bother using Ravage, like you mentioned, dead in the water.
The roots in this game are just so OP.
In this situation, it worked a little bit differently.
He used the ULTS to dodge it, but after the ULTS, of course, he gets coiled.
The fight is absolutely over.
Meanwhile, Mipo just chilling in the pit, by the way, hitting it.
And for the teammates to arrive...
Has a medallion as well.
And look at the map-stake even. T1 bot and T1 middle still often quite healthy.
I mean good luck pressuring though.
Maybe Azucuro with suicidal tendencies can go next to the T1 tower if it's a couple of times, but he will not go out alive so...
Somebody do a mental health check on Kari, won't do it bro?
Yeah, there's just no way. There's no way for them to take objectives right now. They need to buy time on Radiant.
The only way for them to get back into this game is by surviving for a really long time at Void.
Triple S getting the jump onto the faceless Void. They force out the chronosphere, but it's not gonna matter.
Sunray lasers him from outside his own bubble.
Ducales will tip him for good measure.
What a way to go down. And yet again, Triple S the blink shot just doing miracles on the map.
Can I...
It's not really a hot day. I think this game might be over.
Ah, the possibility exists, okay.
The possibility exists.
24 minutes, 10 seconds, already on the high ground for Paravision.
What can you do? You used the Chronosphere already, so your big teamfight spell is already gone.
This is just one of those expo...
Perfect.
Gunsword, Ravage on the 3, both supports are going to get bursted down here.
Dreamcube out onto triple S. Does at least have the roll up to protect themselves for a moment.
But the space has been opened up, the racks are exposed.
Satanic, very happy to just reap the rewards of destroying all of these buildings.
They still have tier 2s, right? So if they want to end it, they have to go for the throne
and most teams at this point, honestly, if this was a pub, they would probably just
go through with the Aegis and everything that they've got I feel like this team is literally
unkillable right now you have Vlad's bkb you have pipe as well on the phoenix the damage from
aurora if you literally camp them under the fountain it's sad to say but it feels like the damage
still wouldn't be there they need an extra item on every single core oh ws might need an extra
But thankfully he has a Swashbuckle.
Gymquale still down for another 25.
Because of the tier 2's being up, he might be able to finish off the point booster and the aghanims before the next fight starts on the Pangolier.
Maybe a Manta will be there for the Phasis Void.
It's something.
But these are your mid-game items.
Nipo, he's already working with Skadi and I believe Butterfly is about to be completed.
He's getting close.
Nightfall, yes he's gonna have that mentor but you're still so far away from BKB.
This game feels, I mean not like BKB absolutely saves you but it feels impossible to play without it.
Avoid you mean?
Yeah, yeah.
If he goes BKB this game is over.
I mean it already feels that way.
If he gets the BKB, it's rough right?
Because without it you die with it, you deal no damage.
Mike, your options are limited. I think he needs to go all out on damage. Get some Yonir after the Manta and just hope that there is enough of Oomph in the Chronosphere from his allies as well.
There's a butterfly now, so let's right click. Coming into this meepo. They're smoking. They want to hold top.
Okay. See what kind of angle they can find here. WS will wander out through the Twin Gates. They drop a Makropire down.
Still not doing too much because there's Illuminate Heal, there's Sunray. Literally full HP on Zatanic.
Nice little pushwack. Hunter's Boomerang gets thrown through as well. But Zatanic just doesn't care, bro.
There's just no damage. No one. Zoning back, Howery, who just gets caught easily by a triple S.
Quick kill, forcing him to buy back.
But what's getting accomplished is already used up the macropiles here, so no big magic damage coming in from this Jekiro.
Earthbite going in, back on Kaori.
Gonna get the buyback out of him, not just yet.
Parry vision.
Feel no need to overextend.
They've taken the objectives, they've taken the lane of Rax.
They can go bottom to secure the mega creeps.
The buyback on Jekiro was still pretty good, I would say.
It was necessary for the ice path if nothing else just for some extra control
The damage itself is just not there from any of them and it's not one jacquero really to
Help you out in that aspect in this current state of the game
The cores need to do a little bit of heavy lifting
That's the last time you saw a first agent beat this value for a team
Using it to almost get a 4 Megas here. WS will get the roll looking towards the back lines trying to isolate mine class here
As you have the damage to kill off this car. Oh, he does
Cargo does go down, but there was a rabbit on the back lines from triple-air stopping night for from getting involved in the fray
He just has to watch as Mira dies before his very eyes
No buybacks available from the supports as Makoto jumping in looking for two colors
Can't even kill off the Phoenix supernova is still available not even required
They get the leash out of the voids for it. He's dead without buyback
Titanic still has an aegis for another 17 seconds dream coil on the two
They finally get the kill on pango as well as a buyback on hoodwink
Faceless boy tried his best throughout the chrono, but to absolutely no avail
GG well played is called
Parry vision come through with the meepo and dominate against Aurora
It's always nice to see newer and newer generations experience the thing that is called Mipo, you know, every now and then.
I gotta say though, from Paravision, this wasn't only like a very good Mipo game versus heroes that aren't great against him, but also like overall the draft was fantastic.
Yeah, in every aspect of Dota, Paravision excelled. Let's see what our panel thinks about this Mipo performance from them.
The Mipo obviously fit right in. As Lacoste says though, it wasn't just the Mipo. Everything came together so well with the aggression. It felt like the timings that everybody had inside of Paravision was just all at the same time. It's like hey, game's over now.
over now yeah all the clocks on their side were kind of synced in the same
millisecond it did feel like this way because everything was just so crisp
and this people pick I thought maybe they're gonna go with something
different from the off lanes I'm like hey like I want some big stuff you know
I want something that can act I wanted to see something that can actually like
threaten the Nipo once he goes in because a lot of these spells are kind
Like man, this is what has limited amount of damage. Maybe the sharpshooter may is gonna get to like the hit
But there's also way too much healing coming up from both the supports as well
Yeah, I said at the end of the draft I wanted pVision to utilize the early timing that they had this lineup
I wanted to feel that aura of their off lane in the mid
I was gonna step up into the game and they did like that if not times 10 right the tight hunter finished 9 0 15 all
These clips are just
Nothing from Aurora. They had no game to play now. It's like they're using chronos. I'll let you
Guess how much heroin damage that will did in this game don't look at it. I'm not looking I would say
2.7k okay, Shiva. What are we throwing in for a number in the mix?
I'm going
I'm going a little lower than that. No, okay. What number's that then I mean
It's just yeah
It was 4,000.
Okay, okay.
That's not, that's okay.
Is it?
Of course it wasn't the void game for the other game.
He was meant to be...
If we did network to damage, if we do that stats,
which is kind of cool stats in Dota as well,
like this is...
Not Drillun, but not an easy game for him.
Playing into really five different
leashes and root mechanics.
Playing into blinding light.
It's just very difficult for him to play the game Solarbind on top of that.
He ends the game with 1-0 and 4, and then Mipo, he's the one who didn't die.
I mean, they didn't kill a core a single time we saw the same thing happen yesterday in the Spirit Series.
And we brought up at the very start of the day how it was so important for supports to be the ultimate sacrifice
and supervision if they're like, yep, only supports should die.
Yeah, we can do it too. I mean, they just played such a great game.
What are you pointing at, boss? I saw you pointing at the screen.
Now I was playing out with the chiever that she was good at her job.
Ah, okay.
Ah, very well.
Yeah, thank you.
Fair enough.
Back to you, Chiever, who's amazing at her job.
No, no.
I think the stand-up player here.
I think we could give it to Zatanic, but it wasn't just the me-poping, right?
Or was it?
Like, what was the MVP team?
To me, it's the Titan Tide.
It's, like, triple S, all right?
Pick 14 on the draft.
Locks in the Tidehunter.
Nightfall has the audacity to go I'ma pay my faces void into your tight hunter I'm better than you and he's like no
You're not boss. Look at me. I'm the main character of this game
I will obliterate you in the laning. Yeah, he had like ten minutes in he's the most farm hero in the game
He is just creep skipping utilizing the farm dragging into the camps and putting a lot of pressure onto the enemy carry as well
So that he can get the farm and also love the itemization picking up the BKB
This is something that we've seen like it's a BKB against faces void
You'd be like why is he buying it? He just wants to be able not get hit by rolling thunder
He wants to remove the break mechanic from hoodwink if necessary and have extra bit of protection from himself
We saw that when xx has played it here. I think he bought it like two times in a row
Yeah, of course we talked about it after the draft was done
They needed to have the late game that was there, you know, their their power spike was later basically
Is there anything you feel like they could have done?
early run to delay pair visions timing. I guess one of the concerns for them was
they had the voice for inter puck matchup but as the laying kind of finished
the void in the pocket the same like net worth and denies we didn't really get
to see the voice for advantage that we sometimes now in other matchups. He
also is forced to buy items that he doesn't want to buy where he's
building into Yulcifer you're playing against Nipo so you want to get use of
your abilities you're playing against buck trying to buy a little bit more
time maybe remove the silence but it's just not happening. Yeah and you can just see how how much
easier it is to you know when you look between the tide and the voyage right tide on one side to the
voyage like you want to play through both of these heroes on either team but when you're a tide
hunter already has you know Vlad's blink and really silenced ground you're not looking at a
voyage where he can kill anything like Lacoste is mentioning it really is quite a sacrificial
mid and then you have a real like afk zero damage carry hero plus pangolin who's already
really conceding his game to me but like you really have three calls that oh
hiding from the enemy team and also the clip playing like they're putting a lot
of pressure on two different sides of the map like at this point of the game you
know something is just not right like again faces void multiple root
mechanics said they're making a move on one side making a move on the other
side also love the fact that triple s like he made a move six minutes in eight
minutes in he's there for the rune if necessary trying to outnumber the
opponents and played a very active game of Dota.
I mean that clip was also really cool because when they kill Nightfall,
Static already has one Mipo running down below the small camp,
anticipating maybe there's another guy there.
If he is, then I can then net this guy,
we get another kill and he goes right,
there's no one here, he runs back then for the net.
So it's like even in the simple void kill,
he's micro-ing the Mipo to try and get even more and more.
So yeah, just outplayed them in every aspect.
Yeah. And then there is on one side supports being a little bit more helpful.
Yes.
And the others?
Yeah, I just wanted to see the amount of healing coming out from these two combined.
It is almost 20,000 healing.
You have a Meepo, you have a Tidehunter, Puck doesn't utilize it as much, but it's mostly
for Meepo having these two very strong supports sitting behind them with the Holy Locket.
You have Pipe available, and this constant illuminates the Holy Locket on top of that
15,000 healing in a 28 minute game.
The Carlos nearly did as much healing as Knife would have damaged in that game.
and outhear his damage, which is pretty ridiculous.
That is just mental.
Well, okay, so this was only game one, though.
So, game two, what's the solution?
Because we already established it wasn't just Mipo,
it was like the whole team timing.
Was it exactly the right point?
I think it's the combination of, like,
you pick the void into the titanter,
and then you know the voidsport is good into Puck.
Like, you haven't utilized your pango in the draft
draft in the early picked, like flex it to a good position, you've kind of sacrificed
him, whilst also picking a carry that then gets sacrificed. So I feel like they've never
had a core other than voice for it that was like, and it's now our game. I think they
just kind of picked into provision the entire time, giving them like the strategy they
want.
The lesson should be avoid picking like these two heroes together, maybe even because
they seem to be lacking a lot in some of these early stages.
It still sounds very confusing, because when someone says Void, are you talking about a Void spirit or faces?
Yeah, the communication is absolutely in shambles. That's why they lost. Good point, Xivo.
Void TP mid, bottom-down TP, like, ah, that didn't happen so many times in this game.
Oh yeah, so then it does come down to drafts. Do we feel like this one's a draft
lost on the side of Aurora or? I think if they played 10 games of this draft,
this would probably be like bottom two performance. I think this draft can play better. It's just like
the combination of everything from like this is a an okay draft. Like it's like nothing crazy but
against what they have inside of ParaVision it doesn't really match well. Out of those 10 games
how many of those like you put you know 10 even players how many times would the ParaVision draft
win according to you? I'd say seven eight. Okay. They're still pretty good though. Yeah it's
very good numbers. It's still pretty good. We're gonna find out what's gonna happen and how
the draft will change in the second game after a break.
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Everybody, we're asking the experts we've got, we here, Mr. Ha, if you could, best laners
in the mid.
Top five.
Laners, top five.
We'll both hand?
Sure, why not?
All right, so then I start from number five.
Number five.
Number five, I would say Quinn, the right...
Quinn!
Yeah.
That's number five.
Number five.
Eight times second place TI, Quinn.
Yes.
Okay, fair enough.
Number four.
Nothing to say nothing to say NTS. Okay. Okay. That's fair at number four. I think anyone's above Quinn. Sure
Number three. I'm gonna go with no one. No one. Okay. That's good. He was in his prime. He was unbeatable unbeatable unbeatable now
Beatable he looked unbeatable a few months ago, but now not they just got told you by Dark Mago not to take away from Dark Mago
He's a pretty good millionaire, but not unbeatable. Obviously top two
Second place goes to Nisha.
Nisha.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's pretty strong for second place.
Jesus.
Yes.
All right.
Number one of all time.
Obviously because I'm on the leader and I have an ego.
Yeah.
I will see it with myself in my prime.
Explain it.
I was one of the most inconsistent mid-leaders in the world when I was playing.
Yeah.
But in my good days, I feel like nobody surpassing me.
Okay.
That's what I like to hear.
you just got a nice little preview of what it's like to be his kid when he talks
about his career 20 years from now but for now we'll keep it in reality and
bring you back to the Dota you gotta respect the ego of mid players guys that's
you know that that's what makes a good mid laner and in that top five that we
made no one was featured he got his hands on the puck for this first game that we just watched and
we're going to find out what's going to happen in game number two because the puck that we actually
highlighted before the series even began was the Mikoto puck and we didn't get to see that one and
maybe we get lucky in game number two game number one went the way of ParaVision. ParaVision has
taken all series to three games ever since they lost their win streak so I'm assuming we're
gonna we're gonna continue the trend here what does the war need to do to be able to make
make that happen? I want to see something slightly more aggressive. I want to see
Mikoto on a different hero. Like Puck. Puck most definitely. Ember, like he this is
his most played hero. Queen of Pain, Beastmaster. Anything that puts a slightly
more pressure for me. Void Spirit is okay most of the time. He's okay. And the Puck
matchup as well is just in a lot of the games and all losing games, Void
Spirit feels a bit of lackluster where you don't have the damage. This
is like compared to Stormwind, he doesn't dish out as much damage and if you use your full combo,
if you use both of the steps, you're on no man's land. I mean I'd take maybe a look towards
a different lane. I think Nightfall got a little exposed in the previous draft, right? We spoke
about the five carry bans, him playing for the five heroes that were banned. The only one left
was the void, which they still then picked up into a tight hunter, which is kind of a losing
lane for the void right to me I feel like it was such a basic script of watch your hero pool
what do you want to play and I respect this a lot because that was my problem with the previous draft
like you just too many bands went the way of nightfall to promote him straight away to the
first phase like you know if first it wasn't picked it it would have been identical even
also when range of bands and then nightfalls like do I void or do I find another hero to play
like you don't really see like a bad carry anymore so again I respect the upgrade that
That was my main problem.
It was an instant pick for him as well.
He does have some bad matchups in the lane, and this is not...
It's very good against melee offlaners, not all of them, but it's good against most of them,
because not many people want to be picking up the range often,
or maybe there's going to be a casual Viper.
Razor doesn't feel as good anymore, but throughout the whole game,
there are very good heroes against Ursa.
Doom definitely going to be up there.
I think Dawnbreaker can square up relatively well if she's paired up with the strong position
4 in the lane, especially at these early levels.
Yeah, I mean, just any laning pressure I'm fine with, right?
In the game, Batrider, Earth is pretty good against, but in the lane, Batrider can't just
annoy you a lot.
I could see P-Vision going for that type of route, pick up the Batrider, and Enigma
isn't a hero, I think, triple S plays only one competitive game, but maybe other teams.
This is BB, right, Miro, he would happily call for it on pick 18, just trying
to demolish the lane.
And there's multiple different ways through Alacost and I have mentioned to try and be our nursery the thing is though
Aurora have done this before they first faced Ursa from multiple different patches
You go, oh you can just counter it
But then nightful still finds ways to win games on the hero like he knows how to play from this position
He does it's not a tower damage
Dealing good hero, but it's a hero that kills people and just like from the raw aggression
Takes over the map and takes over the game
I want to see Rubik maybe just straight out of the phase
I would also be fine if nine class plays Rubik if Aurora doesn't want to pick it on 13 because it is a laning partner that
Offlaners love to play especially with Ursa where you have something to lift them off
Push them away away from Ursa when he wants to play aggressive and also want to see like because
Usually you see these like I think it could be an okay again. Jack hero game. It's a super strong lane with Ursa
It's another egg-hitter, double head-fills nice, they've been also pairing it up in the previous patches with Warlock, but Kory still does play.
Yeah, you probably already mentioned it, but I like that it reduces Triple S's hero pool a lot.
We did highlight him after Game 1 that he had a stellar performance on, of course, the Tide Hunter, which now shouldn't get picked.
So, are we still going to expect a playmaker like that from the offline pool him?
Maybe for a different style, like we've already mentioned, like the Beastmaster, you can still
buy Helmedome, Overlord, you can take the other's tower, there's different ways to play
through it, it doesn't need to just be the classic, I get kills in lane style here,
it can be taking towers.
So they do prioritize Puck, we saw the win rate of him, like 80 plus percent win rate
when he picks it in the second phase in the last 20 games on Mikoto, Rubik still
feels good like if you have an instant lift against buck i also want to see what triple s is
going to be playing oh okay would it be the bristleback yeah i was thinking like easily i was thinking
maybe more something niche for him but uh if you have phoenix on your team so night stalker doesn't
feel as good people might instantly be thinking oh us a beat bristle right it's a it's a melee
He likes it, but Bristle with the goo for the slow, the comfort wheels early on, like
Bristle can actually play into this lane, because on paper I think a lot of you know, you know,
of the donor players would assume the other way, and like Lacoste already mentioned with
the 4-roll, if it is a Rubik or a Lion or some type of dude that can just throw one
stun into the mix, that will be enough to throw the matchup towards the Bristle,
and they're not shying away from picking calls, they do go for the Ember, against
in the mid lane, you look towards voids for it, you look towards ember, tiny, just again,
the melee guy that can just play into the CS game versus the puck.
It also gives you a bit more pacing early on if you get rune control, and then you invade
the jungle, chase the earthster, like whilst he's only got one component towards battle
fury, it just complicates his game.
It really does, but I like the way you talk about VS the bag because a lot of
these offlaners they're really good level one level three against Ursa most of
the time Ursa doesn't get that much out of the lane because you see him straight
away level one you just click Ursa he just doesn't really do much so I want to
see if they're gonna be start to maybe try to stabilize the lane a bit with
potentially Warlock we did talk about the Jakiro maybe that could come out
Grimstroke is also okay-ish in terms of like having someone to play with
throughout the game it's not like the strongest maybe not stronger than Warlock
in the lane but there aren't too many things that you want to leash there's
some like good silences as well but double-fade bold
true feels nice yeah double lift double lift double fade I wouldn't be too
surprised if the other support for Kaori comes out at this time I mean I
I see Rubik, I always think about Underlord, just being able to put a wall, hold your ground
and you're then fighting around a pit of Malice at his protection for your supports as well.
It's a very strong kill combo in the lane as well.
So they want to make sure that Fulcrum can get his farm.
That is it.
When you pick Warlock in this patch, it's like, I press heal, I push the lane, I
pull small camp, my turret will get what he wants in the first 10.
You always have mana playing against Bristleback and the lane, you start with stick, so does
Ursa, so whenever your heal is off cooldown, you're going to be healing Ursa and he's
going to be getting extra bit of a value from the stick on top of that.
I mean, the way I come to pick here is just, can be really fun, but you go-
Yeah, you mentioned Lion, I think they might need to go towards something with the control.
That's not the control, but it is an old-school build, like it's an old-school duo,
Bristleback, plus keeper of the line, it's a bit of a different one compared to the old days where Bristle was like really man of thirsty.
Nowadays he does have a level 10 talent as well. You have like building into Sol Ring if necessary, but there's nothing for this spot.
There's literally no answers whatsoever. And this is spot on 13.
Well, that is where you are going to look towards maybe even the carry having to throw in some help there.
But yeah, it feels like one of those lineups that you're just trying to win the lanes.
So then when Earth is going to buy a Fury, when Park has only a Witchblade, it's just uncomfortable for Aurora to play the game,
like you're trying to have the same kind of team timings that we saw in Game 1.
Yeah, like when all cores get the same timing in a Dota game, it's like, if the team utilizes it correctly, it's kind of impossible to play into.
Do we feel like this time around Aurora is better prepared for a timing like that?
Because at least Warlock, for example, offers the type of team fight that might be able to, you know, hold high ground?
If it was 7.4, I'd say yes, because I think Grimoire would be very important here.
But there's little Grimoire, so it's not as if Crayory can get the 7-minute golem, take a tower,
equalize the map pressure and the kind of the tab regression.
If you don't get kills in a lane, he can be quite awkward.
I'm worried they made a better draft for themselves, but I guess it really depends on the off-laner.
Like that's who, I want to see like the wall-op twin gate down there, like help him out a little bit at some point.
That's how you can have great moves in this game.
Right, so for this side of Aurora they have overall last pick they will go for most likely the off-laner
At the end of it all whereas for paravision we need a hero for satanic
He was a nice band. Yeah, it's pretty cool
Well, I wouldn't be doing my job well if I didn't ask if it was still good me program if you want to set same high tempo
It's a battle fury carrier
So it's not as good because you like normally build into battle fury
And this is something that you can't dispel your
I'll argue it's fine. I think it's okay
Yeah, okay, it's not as good as it would be in the previous one
But if they think the personal corollane will farm fine and earth has to play back into the jungle
If they give ember the active runes and he chases the earth sir. Meepo is gonna have a fine game
Right is like the battlefury will be three four minutes late
Whilst then meepo already has like SMY and components with Scottie potentially if he's also getting like four or five kills
like the last game.
But I guess worse comes to worse Aurora could always go for the off lane Queen of Pain.
That is always possible.
If it is a good game it's always, maybe it's worse.
If they want lockdown like the real one they could get faceless voids for themselves.
That's a good ban.
Aurora's lineup even though it looks better than the last one
it's still inherently greedy and low damage
damage where we're kind of going to create the same narratives like then to survive the early game their lanes need to be farm focused
And they need to decide when they enter the game at a later stage. That's not the argument for p vision
It's like they really want to just go go go like getting earn a number go kill get
One cheap aura be it wraps or something kind of
Bristol go. Yeah, and previously we saw both coddle and Phoenix split the the duties for support items
So I would imagine they'll try to do the same thing to get in line as fast as possible with that
And we saw the healing stats right between the Kodo and the Phoenix
It was like what 13,000 plus for Kodo 4,000 for the Phoenix like you have to respect the healing
And when we talk about overall having low damage like into a pop line up you have to kill in coil
There isn't really that big x factor right now
So you throw a big golem and a coil and a face like it's a lot of things into it if you heal through it
Okay, cool. Nice. Where's your fight now?
But what is the carry for static?
Is it just like a terrible day where you're just gonna kind of chill and going I just win the game. Yeah, it is cool
I feel like they needed the late game security with this type of a draft just to have something to fall back to
Now for offline for Aurora those terrible late fit into the same timing
Category as the rest of their draft like do they do we feel like they have the similar cohesion?
for that yeah I mean when bristle has like Lotus plus one turbo is gonna have
Manton maybe even like butterfly or scottie and that's your big time what's
wrong sorry I'm very excited it's it's a lot of damage early on in this lane
against Phoenix and terribly these are like especially TB he's not a high HP
hero once you have two points and frog stomp with like fadebolt even like
blood grenade you it's a pretty similar way of underlord plus rubik the way
the lane functions where you have this insane amount of damage in a small area and then you can
pull them back in with the Delacaneses. So again this is no stun draft like they have literally
zero silences and zero stuns against Buck and Ursa. Yeah no I think yeah Aurora I like the
Largo pick just for the Dispels right like there's Phoenix spirits and there's roots and
slows and things to make the fight clunky but nothing hard lockdown and now Largo he can be
be the x-factor if he's able to you know save some heroes be a lot of cost is
mentioning as long as the world don't bleed the entire map as long as their
cause can get online at a respectable timing they can kite the method they
can find ways to do as long as it's not at their tier three with a method you
know smashing your buildings right but there's like so inherently scary with
p-visions lineup like you know it's gonna get online you know it's probably
gonna get an age is quite probably the first one for free potentially and it
will just walk you down lanes and kind of demand that you fight it is this because
because Aurora knows what's coming in terms of timing as well is that reason
for them to potentially put more pressure on for example the mid lane
because ember is probably gonna be the one setting the tempo I don't I'm just
gonna throw it out there I think this is a game where Mikoto just doesn't
die okay I matter if they win or lose you might end the game with
actually having zero deaths.
The Mikoto Puck.
The Mikoto Puck too strong.
And okay, so my win or lose, but do you have...
I like Aurora, because TB is the BL and all type of a carry, but I do like the Ursa plus
Puck, the 1-2 combo as well, and I think they can stall the game long enough as well
to be able to get everything done for themselves.
We said the same thing, maybe they can stall game one, maybe it's the same thing,
like they have to stall.
There has to be a discussion between the coach and the players, like, this is how we survive.
Because if they don't do any improvement from game one, we can't just see a repeat of them
just walking up the high ground like 25 minutes in.
But they now know what's coming, so they're more prepared.
They should be able to do a better job at delaying that timing.
Depends on...
Or at least wither in the storm.
Sure.
I mean, so how effective the 15-minute chat was, like, they need to be on the correct
runes, they need to make the correct twin gate rotations, like one fault, and
I can see P-Vision having the same ability to have their core timings just be so scary.
And the Ursa that was overall first picked against the Coddle Bristleback, will he at least be able to farm and have a decent time?
Lay's not gonna be as easy like you get hit by one blast couple of quills
You're down to half HP pretty much. Okay. Well, we're gonna keep our eye on that for sure
See how that plays out and of course see how the whole game plays out
But before we do that, we are gonna check in with puppy who's talking to Slacks
Thank you so much, Shever. Yep. I'm here with the goat. Mr. Puppy good to see you again, sir
I want to talk to you a little bit about this draft obviously in game one
We saw a lot of aggression you guys close that out really quickly. It seems like the same idea for draft 2 or my
misinterpreting here
Yeah, we kind of don't want this team to breathe into late game because they're very good at it
And so we're trying to put pressure on them basically in this game also. Yeah, I worked out last time
I do have to ask you though about the puck
It seems like you guys don't have a lot of lockdown don't have any silence and even if you get an orchid
got Largo to deal with to purge that off. Are you concerned about this puck at all?
Um, not necessarily. It's more of like, do they have the damage enough to kill us when we're
killing their towers? It's more like that because we're going to be starting to move in with our
Bristol Bucks and Embers fast. We have Kotal to, you know, help with heals and stuff. So it's
like, do you have the damage? It's basically show me the money. All right. Well, fair enough.
You know, both of us are kind of Dota boobers at this point. We've been around for a while.
Back in my day, people would never pick their cores first.
I mean, that's crazy.
Now the kind of meta is, let's get an Ursa first.
Let's get a Puck first.
Am I wrong on that?
Or what happened to picking POS 5, POS 4, et cetera?
You are wrong on that.
Give me some examples.
Come on.
I mean, it's been ever since OG,
I think entered the building with the way that they played.
They usually always pick their heroes right away.
And yeah, no-tailed heroes was always
like last pick or something like that.
So, like, it's been already done. It just proves that you have aggression on the draft, that you know what you're doing, and then you just want to roll in and outplay the enemy.
Alright, well, we did see that in game one. Well, hopefully we'll see it in game two. Thank you so much for your time. Great answers. Goddamn!
We'll pass it over to you guys.
A clean gap up from Puppy as Aurora. Unfortunately, I've gotten the first blood off of one of his players in Parivision.
You heard it from puppy big list. He wants them to play false. He wants them to be aggressive
They need to take the fight to Aurora, but how where is the lockdown? Where is the control?
Is Mikodo really just gonna bomb out of this game?
Look, I guess the idea behind this kind of a draft is you don't need lockdown
You don't need control if you're just constantly pressuring and taking objectives
They're the ones that needs the lockdown. They're the ones that need damage and they're the ones that will have to
very early on start defense but when I look at Aurora this draft of theirs you
know when they were on like 17 18 game run every single hero that is in this
game would have been in those drafts as well right they're on their absolute
full comfort zone see how much they can get out of it night for the man who
was granted the the first pick for his team gonna be allowed to play a much
more you know here they can get involved a lot earlier than the
faceless void. Oh absolutely, like still on a nurse you need to farm out a little
bit right like you need to get your blink time timing perhaps with the BKB but
of course you can join a lot earlier you can even pressure some objectives like
cross or tormentor a little bit earlier than a faceless void as well so yep
overall not the worst game for Nightfall on her side even though it
was picked very early on. That was Corio taken away from him, was carrying a
chainmail. Still early enough in the game that it will be back relatively shortly.
It's counterpart, Zatanic, just trying to farm out, down bottom. Is there a kill
threat here on WS and Murad, the Largo and the Rubik? Oh absolutely, I mean
there is a kill threat on the Phoenix and the Terriblade, something that I
believe Lacoste talked about in the panel as well. Like, Rubik and Largo are
pretty damn scary. On the other side, Phoenix and Terriblade, the only way
they get kills in this lane is with the next rotation or if someone is really out of position being too aggressive.
Well, they're gonna go on to the Phoenix right now.
Eucalyus does have access to the Icarus dive, but he gets catchy licked by WS, Mira.
Claiming yet another kill by bringing it down to Cuddy's.
You can't dive out. Like if you aren't frog stomped, then you're licked.
Like one or the other will come.
Dr. Lane, right fork, having to run underneath the T1 tower, getting more mana is TSS.
Couldn't keep the whole chase going.
Big fatal bonds from Kaori will zone back these parry vision heroes to getting a kill on coddle here
He's trying to and indeed not just a kill on coddle. It's a double the fatal bonds were on the whole creep wave
So nightfall beats into it brings them both down and down bottom
They get a fade ball kill onto the terror blade things starting to fall apart right now for parry vision as to call us
Lifted back as well. Ws is out of mana. So perhaps to call us can escape does that Icarus dive WS still chasing
A little bit more damage is what they need, they popped it, they shield the wave, they
want to get this kill, Miro has mana, and a second for the fateboard, but the Icarus
dive will be there first.
Okay, at least the Phoenix survives in the end.
This whole idea that Poppy talked about, where they're literally just healing through
everything and they're just bringing the fight to you, they don't need stuns,
they don't need silences, it's a very good idea.
On paper it works, but you need items, and the laning stage needs to go well
for you.
Now, the laning stage is not going that amazing.
All this action does mean that Lakota was left alone in the middle.
So he's getting his CS up in Nightfall.
There was a couple of kill involvements that he was in,
and a juicy closer towards having the battle fury.
Facebook's flying out as we speak.
The difference, of course, once again in this game
is the keeper of the light when it comes to the network.
He's already made a couple of stacks, he's making some more in the ancient.
Keori with a warlock rotation.
Okay.
Let's have the fatal bonds at the ready again.
Mira, looking for the telekinesis.
They're gonna get the catchy lit frog stump.
Look at the damage!
Zatanic will be able to at least juke for a little while longer.
With the fatal bonds, will it be enough to bring him down?
Not initially.
They're bringing 9-close over as well, hoping to try and save somebody.
Bukalis dies in the meantime on the back edge of the fight.
Oh, he's juke-ing!
Is he's juke-ing?
Trying to find Zatanic, but the young man is juke-ing.
He's jiving, but unfortunately he is not thriving.
WS finds him eventually and brings him down.
Ah, the ward, this ward right here, the forelock used when he rotated, is what kills him.
Because the jokes were good, usually when you're behind that tree under the tower, you're
not in vision.
So that's what he was expecting, but he managed to joke like three or four attempts
on the lick.
Ketchelik has a back swing and it does take a little bit to cast, but in the end it still didn't matter.
Yeah, they're way too strong. Like this hero Largo is actually a pretty decent laner, not versus old heroes
But versus Turblade, versus all these edgy cores that really don't have a lot of HP
He thrives in these kind of lanes.
Triple S is out of mana, so you can't keep peppering Nightfall with these Quillspray's
Nightfall trying to get in front of him doesn't want to trigger the Quills, but unfortunately Triple S just outplays him
with the Bristleback passive, able to bring down Nightfall
Oh, the respect tip right on the other side as well, very nicely done by Bristleback.
You can see Nightfall the moment he got to Windlace and Facebooks, he tried to get in
front of him, hit him from the front, but in the end, maybe he should have just played
Jaws and hit him immediately from behind.
Okay, do we have a moment?
Yeah, your favorite juke of all time in Pro Dota.
There's two.
If I remember, there is like the host juke around the tier one tower with the
Alchemist.
Yeah, that's the first one. The other one is the only one that I remember because he was getting a lot of praise on reddit
It was wheeze against my team long time ago. He was playing some slaughter and he juked us for like
Two minutes straight. We were chasing him across the map
So it's the only one that I remember besides the cost because it hurts
PTSD on now on pretty much remember PPG juking with Bane ESL 2014 underneath the tier one bottom I
I think my old brain is cooked.
Well, these stacks are cooked.
Aurora is going to steal them away from ParryVision.
So much hard work that's been done by 9-clots to get these stacks going, but Aurora just
says we appreciate the investment, bro.
That's an adjustment from the last game, right?
The last game, they were free to take the stacks, they were free to just chill
and farm up.
time around Aurora recognizing the mistake and the invasion was really good from them.
Chopless has been left alone here as a cuddle around the map stacking.
He's actually farming now and I don't mind this as well.
I feel like Keeper of the Light is one of those heroes.
You can see that the skill build has changed a little bit as well for him.
He's 2-0-2 right now so he can actually take a couple of those stacks on his own
zone or maybe pepper them up a little bit for one of the cores, a bit more aggressive
of course with this build.
He will end up dying, double kill for the Ursa, the T1 tower should fall very soon afterwards.
They're absolutely breaking them apart right now in the laning stage.
I was wondering when Keori is going to use his O'Golomb.
She had it for at least 15 seconds, unheard of, for this Warlock player not to just instantly spam it on the tower.
Let's get the kill.
And this also sort of worries me for Paravision, if they want to play this bold up line up to just pressure towers, right?
That they talked about earlier.
How to do that versus a warlock with fatal bonds with the Golem? It's...
You have to be ahead, out of the laning stage.
Despite all the kills that they've suffered, only a 1k gold lead at the moment.
No one.
Shadowing the two supports. Who is he gonna try to go onto here? Is this Kaori as a viable target?
Flame got going, he has 0 points into the Searing Chain, so he can't really stop this guy.
Kari just running further and further away, Tukalis comes through, doesn't have his ultimate, doesn't even need it.
No one even commits the remnant forward, but Tukalis is able to get some burn damage out, they get the kill on Puck as well!
This is much much better now for Paravision, off of this one play.
And do you see the difference here by the way?
The difference in this movement is Ember is involved with Karel.
Something that we didn't mention at all like coral plus bristle really strong in the laning stage
Coral plus ember literally broken through the game because you almost completely refresh the sight of this
So you have double slight through the game all the time
Let's not have that solitary point into the steering chains. I'm gonna go for the mage layer for himself
Sight of this seven seconds level four chakra magic by the way six seconds cooldown reduction. So
Can be can be kind of impactful at times
In 25 you get the what three four slides
Yeah, it becomes silly
The highest impact I feel like it has very early on when heroes are still a bit squishy and then you can span it out
post laning stage
When you see a dog bottom they have kicked satanic out of the slain so WS put pressure on the tower
It's kind of pretty much finished so we can start pulling into that agonim center for the logo
And maybe they can hunt down the TeraBlade here.
Zatanic is the one person that they don't want to get involved on the side of Paravision.
They want them to just keep up the farm.
Very similar situation to how what my four was I scored.
Nicoto though.
Dreamfile onto two in tandem with the chaotic off-ring.
Yet again, nine classes, the first one to be bursted.
Not enough lockdown for no one.
People to remnant out to safety.
That was a smoke, by the way.
So on one side, the egg was used and the coil, overall, they do get the
kill and perhaps a tier 1 tower will be taken with the warlock usage. You mentioned the Kayan
on Largo, I feel like it's not what I feel like this hero objectively is a lot weaker
than he used to be in the previous patch, but there are some nice things, like Hatchily
gets a bit better, you get damage without agonies as well, not a lot of it, but it's
something.
Ultra bless will also get a nice free kill on the chaotic offering golem.
Good gold injection as he is getting towards the PKB for himself.
Vera has the stolen remnants, gets away from no one, very nicely done.
So we are all here right now in this game.
It still is a lot of fun that's going in towards the two carries and satanic in
particular has just not showed at all since he's in the lane.
He's gonna be chilling in this jungle, getting close towards having the manter.
Here's also the main reason why, even though they have triple the kills on Aurora,
the network is negligible, right, like the advantage. It's 2k on Aurora, it's
it's something but it's not game-changing. This smoke could be game-changing if
they can catch up to Nightfall. Triple S already has fatal bonds on top of him.
They even ported Mira here to try and force this fight but they don't
know about the pincer. Here comes no one. Directly on Kaori, the Swalock will die. He even
brought the Terroblade here with the meta, but a big prize is knight for Syrian chains.
Oh, unfortunately, he goes only onto the creep wave. Enraged for the Ursa, he jumps forward
a little bit. Solar bind will be there, but he's too far away. Ursa, he's going
to be good to get out of here. No one very unlucky that the creep wave was there for
the Syrian chains.
And they even talked about diving some longer, but just the TPs alone, the threat
of the TP's that didn't go up and go through, prevented them.
Actually Largo and Puck now without TP, but still on the enemy side of the map, just pre-farming.
And these kind of moves are fine, like you get an objective,
but there are never moves that you gain all too much from when it comes to
networks. As Puck was farming mid, Largo was farming bottom.
I think they're gonna try again.
whatever space is being afforded tonight for you want to take it away
he's forming in a safer place right now in the triangle by parry vision they don't
want to allow the previous pace that was being set to continue where you just
constantly being dove under your towers where every fight just feels like you're
dealing with insurmountable damage
I'll scan you.
Makoto has his Witchblade, building into the blink dagger next.
Unfortunately for what Lacoste said, he's already died once, you'll bet.
Yeah, it is hard to kill the puck, but Ember, you know, like this hero is not that terrible versus pucked throw to game.
You can chase him through, you have chains to work with.
Usually that's not enough, but it is something.
This time around, it did get the kill.
When it comes to Puck overall, it's a very solid game.
I was wondering if one of the supports might queue up a Norkid.
I know it's not really the Caudal or the Phoenix when their supports build, but it's
something that they can do.
Of course, once they get the greedy plus 100, if the game goes that late, Hex is
as an option for either one of the two supports, Aghanim's as well and Karel might be something
to look into because of the lack of the control that they have. They have nothing.
Speaking of the lack of control, do you think Matt 4 can afford to skip BKB in this game?
He's skipping it, he's queuing up Basher by the way, for now. So, does he completely
skip it? I don't think so. I feel like you still need a BKB after the Basher.
smoke move was coming out from Aurora, but Ember's already t-beat out.
Quadro will be able to avoid the Ursa, they have a very nice set of wards on the Twin
Gate, but in the meantime, as they know what's happening with Aurora, Zatanic feels a bit
of freedom to pop the meta, go middle with the Terrorblade and try to push over this
tower.
They don't have a BKB on Bristol though, so maybe just because they're late on the
other side this can be unpunished, but okay, they got the tower.
The only two times Zatanic has moved out of the jungle, he's just shown up, taken the tower, and will immediately go back to farming.
This is kind of concerning to me, I'll be honest. The fact that Zatanic has been able, despite how tough the lane was initially,
if he gets to that point where he becomes, you know, proper, proper Terrablade, I don't really see how Aurora deal with him.
They have some AoE damage though. Like, it's not easy for them to take down the Terrablade, but when you look at the other side,
If the game goes late, Largo is also a problem, Puck with Dream Coil with Parasma.
These are all spells that can work in tandem versus Terribleate quite well.
Keep in mind that Croak of Genius when you cast it on Puck, kinda does a lot as well,
so it can be helpful.
17 minutes in, only a 2k gold aid, SSS does not have that DKB, just arriving off
the courier and he's gonna go immediately into a nullifier as his next item. Trying to get some
offensive de-spells, the spells against this logo. Now parry vision, they smoke up but again
observer wards are gonna be the saving grace here they have seen this entire movement. Aurora
should be able to get out safely with no problems?
The lane is pushing in, down bottom, so they can convert this into a couple of wards, maybe
a tier one push, or if they decide to threaten rush as well.
The trick about paravision and taking rush is they don't really have a ton of damage
for it, but they don't have to waste too many resources because of bristleback and
because of level 4 fire spirits.
Rush literally isn't hurting you, it doesn't hit you.
so you can slowly pepper it down and force a fight around it.
Not playing around this area, they'd like to be able to find and kill first.
Aurora though are very happy to just dodge for now.
Looking for the next round of items, but no one.
Has some vision now onto Kaori, Nightfall will be there to try and defend his position 5.
Forcing Ember Spirit to have to retreat.
Mark is here at the same time, Puck has shown up.
Get the waning Rift out, they have Dream Quail available too.
This is going to probably be a dead Ember Spirit, no way out of this one.
Nightfall. Fade yet another kill.
That's pretty much all she wrote and the question is 30 seconds. Is that enough maybe for the Ursa to even go into the pit?
They're still scouting it by the way. Keeper of the light just constantly spamming spells.
He's been scouting himself. He's standing right underneath an observable load. So Rago easily able to catch up.
Paku also get involved. The vision
is good enough that they know no one else is going to be arriving to help them out.
But with these two hero kills, definitely fine for Roshu Tiyasa.
Vision actually won these couple of last engagements, right?
Like they saw the smoke, they knew what was going on, and Koro also, because of the lack
of vision, dies in the end.
Used Illuminate to scout Roshan, get scouted by the ward.
They have a couple of really nice d4s that Mira planted, the one on the left and the
one behind the tier 2 tower.
This is where Bashar, Builder, Merca feels so great, because you went for a Bashar,
You didn't commit for a BKB and you got an Aegis, so you don't really care.
You're not that vulnerable.
They did smoke on Parry, hoping to get there in time to interrupt the Roche.
Sadly not gonna happen.
So Basher will be flying out now, Fawcet Ursa.
I feel good for Aurora, 4K gold leaf for them.
But it's Parry vision that Fawcet will try and make some moves around the map.
They've been smoked for like the last 30 seconds.
They're just trying to force it, truly.
even with the Terra Blade, because they understand that even though he's like this big carry-and-all be-all
it's being a little in heroes that really scale well. Largo, Puck, and Ursa. Largo by the way, Aghanim's is, here.
Here they come, Terra Blade.
It could be Targonich here, they're pinging him out right now, Nightfall is showing up, wants to reveal the Basher.
It's gonna be Ducales who breaks the smoke from server ward, was clocked out, but he gets the Icarus dive out.
Zatanic, popping the meta, and he's here from Aurora, trying to get themselves back with a beautiful dream curl onto three on the backline.
Enables Nightfall to just jump in and kill off Tukalis.
Nightclas survives a little while longer, but eventually he dies as well.
Now, Triple S, what can he do here? Can he protect Zatanic?
Because Nightfall only has eyes for the Tyrablade.
Life number one will be taken away, but Zatanic will die permanently in the fountain trying to respawn.
Triple S doing his best to run.
8, he took out a logo behind him, catching it, brings him close, kills him off, Aurora.
Trade one Aegis for four hero kills down bottom.
It was the nice idea from Paravision to stick around the tormentor.
They knew that this fight was coming their way, but I feel like they overestimated their strength at this point.
The BKB Bristle is cool. He runs into the enemy team, and maybe if you catch with a Quillsphere,
a couple of these blink targets, they can't catch the backlines,
but a bit too slow in the end because they already saw where Phoenix went, so the Puck and Yersa,
they're already jumping the backlines. Coral and Phoenix, they just disintegrate immediately.
Super, super fast. And unfortunately, we are seeing that at this moment in time,
it's a talent spot hitting people. The burst damage isn't really there at this moment for
Paravision. When he managed to take down the Aegis, used Thunder on Rubik as well,
He did some work, but he's not there yet.
Like, this isn't your...
...terrible aid that can just stand and fight, versus pretty much everything.
He's only...
...he only has Manta and Dragonlands at this point, so...
...not quite there yet.
So Tanix face is like, what the hell's happening, guys?
We're done, 18.
10k gold in favor of Aurora.
It's only 22 minutes into the game.
And yes, like you said, eventually Terrible Aid will get there, but...
...the game just ends before we're there.
Doesn't really matter.
This is Aurora's bread and butter, right, like the way they're playing the heroes, they're playing WS, I feel like, when he got into the steam,
the heroes that they were picking him all the time, it was like a timber, then some casual support, but the moment Largo got explored as an offlaner, he started spamming it, and
it was a big part of all those one tournaments.
Level 15 soon.
Just get a fight behind the tier 2, you know that the supernova is available since Tukala's
died so quickly last time.
He's thinking about Ember it seems like because Buck is connecting, won't catch him for now
at least.
He's building a ULT Scepter to try and get himself out of these super sticky situations.
as a hero. Just to be broken for a bit, right? Like everyone was picking him when the tower
heads were healing you as well in the previous patches. Then he fell out of favor a little bit,
but in a game like this one, where nothing is threatening you and you don't have to go for
any defensive items, it feels really good to play bug. Like you can just constantly go for
the same build, blink, Parasma, you don't have to stray away from the beaten path.
And it's good. It's just very good versus supports that don't have any catch that are squishy in nature
Speaking of catch, Nightfall has indeed decided to go BKB and they've also caught the Carlos
Southbrook
Not too much you can do about that one
But yeah, the bear is actually gonna come back for the BKB
So as the Aegis has gone away, wants to ensure he doesn't die as quickly as he did like in the last fight
He has to buy it. It's also, not only because of the control on the other side which is lacking,
it's because of the Terrapins, right? Like you need to have this one hero that can jump and pop the BKB and kill him in it, mid lane, QW.
WS almost brought down the QW there, but allies will stream in from Parry vision.
There's the only back WS, hit him with the Searing chains.
Zatanic just needs to catch up and lane a few more right clicks. He doesn't do it, but SSS does.
And the last tick on the illusion damage ensures that the Bristleback gets a kill on Largo, but no knife will just jump onto Endless Spirit!
Bristle upon in 2 seconds, it bash on the first hit!
Oh no, Zatanic at least gets some revenge by chasing down this Rubik.
But no one definitely did not expect to die that quickly.
He didn't, but don't you think like this is a pretty decent trade for Paravision?
considering the state of the game, there were 10kish behind, right, now it's 8k difference.
Like, sure, you lose the Ember, but you force out the BKB, the first BKB on Ursa,
you kill WS's Largo, and you get the kill on support.
And Titanic was involved in all of these kills, right, so he's getting closer to the Skadi,
I think these kind of trades are actually not that beneficial to Aurora.
It's underneath vision right now, but nobody alive from Aurora to punish.
They're pinging him though.
There's a twin gate on top as well, but they need a bit more than just a puck.
Puck does have a Parasmo, so he's starting to become a threat in his own right in the
right click department.
So where are we now?
25 minutes in.
both teams back onto their own sides of the map.
Kauri will get caught and killed top,
provide some gold for the agonim shot of December's bird.
Kauri and Rubik have both done a pretty good job when it comes to providing their team good deep vision,
but eventually when you play like that you will fall.
WS got scouted, there's an observer ward that saw him,
They might try to jump on top of them and it's gonna be no one hoping to open up the fight Nightfall and WS are right in front of them
But again nightfall goes right back on to no one almost kills him
Force him to have to retreat but Puck comes on the backlight double damage you got off the dream quail trying to kill ember
But no the supernova with Sunray will heal up no one open the space for Aurora
To retreat but definitely ensuring that no one doesn't die again. Okay the sustain that they talked about it seems like it
started connecting like you saw the Sunray as well you saw the keeper of the
light heals keep in mind that holy locket once applied it works on the ally
heals as well so you get some bonus heal you heal the target and all of the
healing is amplified on the target as well so one of the things why this
combo with the Phoenix is pretty damn good it did also manage to finish off
of that nullifier on Bristleback, so having a few more buffs that you can take away from
Aurora.
Makoto, yet again we see the narrative of this game continues that vision enables the
supports to get killed off very easily.
Elsewhere though, there is a fight breaking out towards the mid lane, Nightful and WS
doing their best to escape.
Hemsburg, not going to be able to connect and hold them in place.
So Largo will just strum a song, and everybody just goes back to farming.
They don't have Phoenix, right? They lost Phoenix, and Meta was used, so it's still a pretty decent rate.
However, there's another combination when it comes to Chakra Magic that we didn't discuss.
I think he just misclicked it here as he fed himself mana, but every time Satanic uses Meta,
you will see Kota literally just follow him around and spam Chakra Magic on him.
Why? Because Meta still does get reduced by the mana, so, yeah.
It's a pretty good combination
Put all our eggs into the satanic basket. We did it last game. It worked out matters. Well do it again
He's getting really scary
It's actually about to catch up to you this Ursa, which is crazy considering how his lane was going earlier
And the ursa's bkb that he bought not so long ago is already on the
7 seconds mark not terrible
Of course can't drop down to six seconds and seconds any longer
So it's still a lot of value in teamfights, but Aurora or 9k ahead.
It doesn't feel that dire any longer for Perivision.
The scariest part of the game has been survived.
Not all about just scaling.
Speaking of scaling, the greedy enchantments, of course, on both the
Kotl and the Phoenix, and we talked about this earlier Phoenix down bottom, though.
Again?
Didn't he die on this exact same area last time?
He just devoted to be honest. So he did something, you know, like he was in vision, he tried to devote, he did get the word, but of course, Puck is a bit too speedy for him.
Sometimes supports have to sacrifice their lives for the team. What can you do?
He's buying Hex, he's getting there on Phoenix, so eventually this support will be a problem for the Puck as well. Not only for him, of course, for anyone that gets Hexed.
Not Ursa game, so we have to worry about Roshan consistently.
Second Rosh is up.
Big man ready to drop some swag.
Of course, Parivision will know about this, and they have all their ultimates available,
including the Supernova.
Dukalus is about to respawn, so this can get scary.
The Trosh is already on 50%, can they get here on time?
No one.
Tries with the Sniper Fist.
They use up the Ursa, forcing Makoto to be the one to snatch the Aegis.
He's good for the adjacent fights, go-septor, dispelled by the nullifier.
But they couldn't connect in time with the Phoenix, so they have to let Aurora just walk away with the prize.
But no, no one is just standing on the high ground.
Two heroes caught inside the series chains.
Here comes the Taniq with the right-click damage onto the Rubik.
He tried to remin the wave, but he comes back!
A misclick from Mira ends up dooming him.
He's the only one to die so far though.
Mikoto holding back the rest of Parry Vision with the dreamclaw.
Yes, even though it doesn't seem like a big deal that perhaps that the puck picked the Aegis up, it's massive.
Because puck isn't in any danger in this game anyway, right? Like they don't have any catch for him.
The game is free for Mikoto.
The Airstrials, by the way, they don't bullshit.
Let's meet the Cajun on once on the world, so we will win the game.
Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough.
Strong confidence from no one on that one.
With the Aegis pick, I feel like he's pretty damn right.
Roshan Vanner by the way is still in the pit, no one picked that one up.
But Erisan not having an Aegis is a pretty big deal, even though
he does get some solo kills even without it.
Skadi is finished, Daedalus is gonna be built up right now for the Stannik.
Okay, let's real talk.
How do they actually get to Tirablade and kill him now? What's the plan?
Well, if you had Aegis on a Nerse on this hero, he would be able to just go completely
YOLO on the Turbid and then the puck follows up with the Dreamcub.
However, without an Aegis on Nerse, I think it's a little bit more difficult to do.
Getting to the Turbid who's already with Skadi sitting behind the teammates is not
going to be like you can still do it, but the problem is without the secondary life
for NIRSA, it's almost a guaranteed trade. Even then, what if he suddenly does it at
the last second, you die, he doesn't. He's got a pipe as well for some extra mobility,
of course. Largo mid. Ryan Largo, yowls him into the air, Zatanic is here too, and well,
I was told this is a tanky hero, but not any longer. Aurora end up losing their off-laner.
The Snowlifier is actually doing so much work against Largo, I feel like at this
point he just has to lick it off immediately and I believe that he can
so maybe an option for him in future fights definitely wasn't expecting
everyone to show up for that one so Aurora one of the rare situations where
you'll see the team that has the ages being the ones that have to play more
carefully than their opponent
Kauri almost had the agonim scepter on the warlock, just needs 300 gold to get there.
Did they have some vision down on the earth side?
Feels like they just rotated everyone top lane.
Going to go on to Ember spirits.
He has no way out of this one, dreamcweld, gets ripped to shreds, not even a chance
to get off that yule scepter.
Does Nightfall have a bash button on his keyboard or something?
It seems that way.
Whenever Ursa is playing, hold that thought, Phoenix.
Can the Colors get out of here, it has to be crossed into the supernova.
I mean he's tired of dying, he died 9 times in this game, you know?
You can afford him a little bit of space.
Ricardo, I still wanted to chase him, but couldn't catch up to him in time.
To be fair, he's sitting on 2.8k gold, that's just enough gold to buy a mystic
staff so maybe one of the reasons why he's sick and tired of dying is because his
economy is quite valuable for Perivision.
The moment he gets Hex, this game does change a little bit because up to this point they
have no real ways of dealing with a puck.
The moment the Hex is there on Phoenix, it's pretty good because of multiple reasons, of
course them having no catch is one of those, but he has built-in mobility.
So you can always dive in, catch the puck, and then your teammates can follow through.
It's like you mentioned earlier, a puck is in a situation where he doesn't have
to build defensive items.
He's less likely to build the Linkens, build the Aion discs, just gonna get caught
by the Hex when it comes out eventually.
Yeah, he's going for a nullifier next on the puck.
So just all in full aggression from the puck.
With that death on the Ember Spirit,
the Aurora will feel the freedom to go take the tier two tower top.
They're still playing the map.
They recognize that there is a bit of a timer
before the game becomes unnecessary impossible.
But like, hey, guys, winning is much harder than it should be.
So play aggressively while you can leverage
this gold lead. So you believe no one? I believe no one. I mean I get his point as well but
I don't think this game is that easy for them on the side of Paravision that is. I think
this game is very very even even with a 12k lead on Aurora they're in a commanding position
and their scaling is also pretty good. Keep in mind all of these fights that happened
without a bkb on Largo and without his level 18 as well now he's got 18 he's
got the bkb it should be fine out very shortly and on top of that he's got the
partisan's neutral item so a lot of damage a lot of heals it cannot be
stopped any longer from Largo will be there
Oh, another pause.
The last thing we want is for this game to be decided on the basis of technical issues,
so...
Uh, oh no.
Oh no.
What did you see the problem was?
Sound bug?
Sound bag?
Something?
I wonder what the sound bug actually is.
And there's a phoenix and a terriblade in the game.
I'm not super shocked.
Like whenever these two heroes are in, maybe it's just Largo, he's constantly playing
music.
Maybe he just hears constant tips in his ear, like what the hell man, this is tilting me.
What does Gaven think about the chances here?
They afford Aurora 68% chance of victory here in the second game.
Terriblead has now officially become the most formed hero on the map, he's in
the pole position.
absolutely one of those carries that can take over the game with the Daedalus now
the next stop for him will be the BKB to make the game a little bit easier for
himself too for some easier access to Sunder if you're silenced by the puck
should puck actually build any kind of item to respond to the upcoming X or
just keep playing the ways and playing all the thing is he doesn't really know
about it he probably can anticipate that Phoenix eventually will buy it like
Phoenix or caudal both heroes it can't get it much better than Phoenix because of the built-in
sort of a blink right like you don't have to buy mobility as well but
for now he's just queuing up an olifier
another pause uh-oh we hope it's not a serious issue here
we've spent a very long time on this side of the map
This Aegis, will expire in a minute from this puck.
Is there a play that they can make, like trying to anticipate when the Aegis is going to expire?
Immediately try to engage afterwards?
On Peravision, yeah, I think both teams more or less are happy with their fighting chances right now,
and can go for a fight.
There isn't really anything big that you have to wait for.
I guess there is on Peravision, you don't have egg.
cooldown he used the defensively it's there for 76 seconds so
so looks like we're gonna resume the game the bug refuses to go away but
our players are soldiers they're not just gonna let some random bug interrupt
this dota we're trying to get to 100,000
I remember I let me remember one of the Valahia seasons wasn't it Valahia
season five or four where we had the pause for like two hours and wasn't one of these players involved
maybe on Aurora the Doom bug ah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah remember that one I think we waited for
quite some time so I'd be shocked if players played with the bug but let's see what was it back
then like he he didn't have buyback right like that was the the buyback status was green but
but he couldn't actually check it.
Yeah.
Well, the discussions are being had amongst them
to try to decide what to actually come in for it.
He's the calluses in Russian, by the way,
of writing the same thing.
He's like, with buyback,
we were sitting here for two hours.
We're gonna sit around here for two hours as well.
He remembered.
Nightfall.
They're waiting for the admins.
Oh well, okay.
So it looks like we're going to have a little bit of time, man.
How's your trip to Romania been?
Actually, since we're going to be here for a while, ladies and gentlemen, unfortunately,
it's not Sunswain and Syndruin, but we can still chat it up.
It's been good.
I'm casting from a chocolate-infested chair, by the way.
Everywhere around me, there's a little bit of some sort of a crumb from Snickers
and whatnot.
in general it's it's pretty good shout-out to Sam's man and Cindy
Everybody's been eating all the chocolate they want. I lost my sweet tooth like years ago
It's very unfortunate. You see like literally every day I'd go buy a giant slab of chocolate
Mm-hmm eat the whole thing probably was terrible for my dental hygiene in the long run
You're looking very healthy like one thing that I do like quite a lot from most of you casters
There's panelists as well, like everyone is going to the gym, yesterday morning there's
Tiga in it, like every time I go there is one of you guys as well working out, a lot
of players as well, who started taking care of themselves, so it's a nice adjustment.
We're doing our best to defeat the basement dwellers stereotypes, even though a lot of
us don't do that, you know?
I mean, it's gym and Dota.
Nothing else in between.
That's been my life.
Jim and Dota at the same time.
We should be curling right now.
As we are back in the game.
Whatever annoyances that they have due to the sound,
they will grin and bear it.
And Nightfall, oh, okay.
Just randomly finds Nightlaus,
able to bring him down extremely quickly.
He's a, like, it's kind of silly to say,
but this here says-
Oh, Midlane.
Yes, Karen.
He's in trouble right now.
Look how much damage he's already taken. He's trying to run himself away with the BKB
But no one has the ability to chase him to the ends of the earth
WS doing his best trying to get himself out of here and his team has made the space to lift back from Mira saving the logo
Kaori drops the chaotic offering onto no one's head and the spirit dies. Now Mikoto
Trying to get onto this Bristleback BKB will not last forever as soon as it expires
This Bristol-back is gonna end up dead to Kallus. No opportunity for him to do anything here.
Still 18 seconds, no supernova, Mikoto not feeling fearful of anything.
Ties off to him onto the high ground, kills him with the waning rift.
And Aurora, you were talking about it earlier. What happens when they get the BKB on Largo?
That's what happens, Lizard. They get baited into a terrible fight.
That's a BKB on Largo, but that's also an overextension of a lifetime, by the way.
You don't see many of those
They chased him from their side of the map almost to the tier 2 tower, which is dead on the mid lane
An impossible frog to catch once he gets the BKB you don't have cash for him
Coddle, they get lifted back by Mira, steals the Illuminate Blaster's law from the Ruvik
The Codo will be able to finish off said Coddle
So that's four heroes down all of a sudden Aurora
What a game was paused.
I didn't look at this die for Paravision, but here they are inside the base, 20k gold
lead and poised to take their first lane of Variks.
It didn't look dire at all.
It didn't look that bad.
The game looked more or less even, but with a couple of really good pick offs, everything
changes suddenly.
When it comes to rush, of course it's not really there yet, two more minutes
until it can respawn.
So, a lot of time for Paralyzion to respawn, recuperate, maybe go for a fight, but whatever
fight happens they cannot just all in on the Largo.
This hero has way too much movement speed, he's level 20 with a 50% groving armor aura
as well.
You're not taking him down that easily.
Not with the BKB.
They need an Epistle Blade, and I'll say that, Troublesse immediately just buys Basha.
If he had a pistol blade there and could prevent him from entering into the river, they probably
could have killed him before he connects to the rest of the team, but now it's going
to be a smoke from Aurora.
Ducales is going to come across Nightfall here and Nightfall has been having a pretty
good time dealing with this Phoenix.
Thankfully for Ducales, he does manage to escape for now, but doesn't have a TP
just yet.
He's actually stuck.
At least only 8 more seconds, you'll be able to TP out.
He's behind the trees at least, hidden a little bit, so should be fine, but he just
cannot find the space to finish off the hex.
And at this point it feels like it will be a bit too late.
If he's sitting on 4k gold to be honest, if he's going to go to the sidelines,
Caudal as well, easy clap.
This is basically the only place that he wants to be in, right, on the Phoenix,
Unless he has to defend the high ground, you can just sit here until your hex is complete,
because I think they just realized that they don't have the firepower to kill any single one of these heroes.
And they knew it, like they drafted something without silences, without catch, without stuns.
It's all on you, Titanic. The swift blink, once it's achieved, has to yield some massive returns for your team.
By the way, Rubik's stealing spirit form is a sight to see.
I don't think I've seen this spell stolen in recent time, at least.
You know what happened to paying really well for this game, though?
6-3 and 13 on the Rubik.
Stolen some great spells. It's his left that saved the logo earlier on.
He's got the shards, he's got the force staff, a lot of mobility,
plus agonies, by the way, in 400 gold.
We've been talking about the greedy enchantment on one side.
Look at Warlock, you're the Coyote, you just...
If you ask this guy what hero he wants to play, I think the answer will be either Warlock or Phoenix 90% of the time.
There's another hero that I'm forgetting, I know he plays one extra.
But he has Aghanim's and almost a Refresher oil on the Warlock.
We've seen the high-impact golems that he's already dropped.
No one in particular has really been struggling with the Warlock.
I'm going to be going for a Bloodstone on no one, but...
In one of those games, literally just is about
can you keep the Terrablade alive long enough to dish out the damage.
Nobody else was really going to provide it.
There's the axe for the Rubik.
to call it still here it's like he said she has nothing else he wants to do except finish
off the sex maybe he can take the next wave let's see if he takes the next wave the problem
is then he cannot continue farming here any longer almost has it just needs the recipe
right now. And it's gold. Well, he gets to go home. Aurora will go for yet another date
with Roshan. Full Rosh, man. There's no variety. He's just been hanging out with this bear
all the time. This time around they do get the Aegis onto Ursa. Not going to be the
pot carrying it around. There's a shard as well in the pit that they didn't pick
up at first. Absolutely useless on Largo. His spells are almost no cooldown. They
They give it to Warlock for now, they can give it to Puck, perhaps for the double coil.
It's also not too bad, he's fully six-slotted of course, needs to make a spot for it.
Okay, this could be interesting. Jenkins was telling me about some strange interaction,
where if you get given the refresher shot, it doesn't share a cool-down with your own refresher orb.
Ah, if you're given.
If you're given, and he was given.
Yeah, I see.
And maybe that's why the logo picked up first to give it to him.
We'll see if Kauri knows about this interaction.
We're still 600 gold away from the full refresher though.
I mean there's just a lot of new ways if items work of course since the last patch,
things have been changed so, wouldn't be surprised if there's a bug, but they do have
a banner and it seems like they will be happy to push mid.
Double C dragon here, here they go.
Harry vision, a spot in the top 3 requires them to win and they get the hex out onto
to this ursa catch it will be there though from WS but they don't have the
follow-up damage just yet my fault as he gets lifted back by a mirror satanic will
take out the roshan banner he's constant blast coming in from the
coddle will push back the creep wave now that the banner is gone even with a
25k lead there are some things that are making this of course pretty
difficult affair to push on the high ground metamorphosis from the
with Blink, Daedalus, Skadi, it's always hard for closing games against him.
But also, just this Chakra magic spell that we talked about earlier,
I feel like every time they push high ground, Meta will be off cooldown, and you'll be able to use it.
No one will be in trouble inside a Dreamclaw right now, get throughout the Yule Sector,
but here is the Ursa, Nightfall.
I don't know what no one gets to him in a previous life, he's taking his revenge right now.
There's a buyback available on the Ember Spirit now.
though. He did something to him in the previous game in his life so.
Alright, we'll drop the golems. The first set, the first set since Refresher Orb is coming.
Please get the orb first bro, honestly the interaction.
Tier 3 tower about to fall, BKB activated by nightfall, he goes in just yet again,
blows up to Carlos. No buyback on the Phoenix however.
Now Aurora, not in the second lane of Barrick's peri-vision, unable to stop them with their numerical disadvantage.
They have Meta, but I don't see the words of Meta without the Hex and Phoenix, without the Ember Spirit buying back.
It's just impossible to engage.
The Tannic now, maybe wanting to go in, DKB activated by him, they're looking towards the Rubik Kairuri though,
buying the Space and Time to drop another set of Golems.
And it seems the interaction does work that way because there's a third set!
The stun goes out onto triple less, he just bought a crystal blade so he doesn't have money for the pryback.
Lakoto also had a 3-hero dreamclaw on the back of the fight.
They killed the terror blade, they killed Lakoto, they killed the game.
GG well played, we are going to a deciding third game.
Yeah, in what style as well? Just dropping all the golems down on the ground,
and Borla of Kaori, like there's a reason why people are panning this hero against him
when it was broken and when it was not, but in the end, from Paravision, they had an idea,
they were pretty stubborn with it, no catch, no silences, they can push through without
them, it didn't work in the end.
It did not work in the end in Aurora, it worked out for them.
Shiva, what do y'all make of this excellent performance from Aurora?
Well, I'm taking back to the very start when we had a coach in here with Poppy and he said
that he was planning to not let Aurora breathe into the late game.
Aurora didn't have to breathe into the late game because they crushed the early game.
I don't know how this turnaround happened for them, but it looked mighty strong, Lacoste.
It really did.
I mean, on the wings of Nightfall as well, he did die, had that really one funny death.
It's always something with the Nightfall.
It has to be.
He's one of my favorite players to watch.
There's always something comical about the gameplay.
And he didn't die ever since.
Like he was the one.
This was also an instance response to Phoenix.
People try to figure out, like, how are we
going to counter this hero with Gabby's Silencer.
Maybe Murana 5 to kill the egg.
But why not Ursa?
And so far, they look unstoppable with pretty much
every single Ursa game that they played so far
in the tournament.
No, for sure.
And in the laning stage, we
were just found ways to outplay kind of every single lane,
especially top lane.
He saw the aggression from the bristle and the coddle, they tried to kill off the ursa
and then Koyori just comes around with fatal bombs on the entire creep room
double hero, getting a double kill
and at that point Nightfall is like, thank you very much Koyori, you have done your job
you can now go bottom, apply more pressure and yeah, the game just
really just fell out of P-Vision's hands
I will say respect to P-Vision, I think Satanik showed why
the carry players with Terrible can make the game feel incredibly close
he was always keeping up with the Nightfall network, he was a threat on their side
the Chakra from the corridor making sure META was in play but after the pause came through
there's a lot of all-chat between the teams during the pause and I feel like they lost a lot of focus
right because WS was like halfway down mid lane, P vision was nearly dodging a gank whilst chasing
the Largo and it just felt like if the pause didn't happen P vision probably don't make that play
and then the game might be a little closer for maybe an extra 10 minutes Aurora probably
will still win but I feel like the fight will be closer like they just post pause fed
And then the game just disappeared basically it is when you see a Largo running away on the sliver of life
Then he's like very speedy and he's singing the song of his people
It's just you it's a recipe for disaster for the team chasing him rule one of donors
Like you should never chase the guy that's me like nearly about to die
If you know you're gonna kill him and longer that the best here and don't like baby like yeah
You're gonna get me you're gonna get me and then you never get him. It's a
I think he's going to be, oh, it's going to be him as a standout player.
Yeah, I think he's going to expect in that.
Yeah, for a good reason.
We had like the whole segment.
I did say that he's not going to die once, but he did die that one time.
From one time.
Yeah, and the Coda almost like no Codo, but they did catch him one time.
And every single time I watched this guy play the hero is just too good, especially
in a game where there are no stuns.
This is always what worries me.
they had a vision on side of our vision to be able to you know maybe try to end the game like or just
Sustain through all this damage that they do have because they had the same supports in game number one with the Phoenix and Coddle
But you know who also has healing it's Largo and he was healing them for ten thousand plus
In 10k yep easy 10k and then both supports also slightly above 10k
So they've seemed to figure out like how to deal with these two supports. You're gonna have heal
One guy of our own is gonna pretty much out sustain the whole damage that you have
Yeah, and at the end of the day a game like this when it potentially is going long
We have to put some extra focus on the carries
Especially after nightfall died the way it did that was really funny
but we should have some extra focus on the carries later on in the game as
We are gonna checking with the Ursa and the Terrablade. Yeah, of course
So this was like the kind of scaling point of the game because nightfall had complete freedom in the lane
He had this incredible net worth the hero damage still was like
It kind of calm before the storm right it's gonna blow up relatively soon
And I feel like again this was more to credit satanic that he was able to at least put up a fight with what nightful had and
Yeah, this was again pre pause the the fact that you had nightful executing the the
the ember, and then of course, satanic was able to kill off the lago and then chase down
other heroes.
Like the game, even though Aurora had the net worth, it felt like if pvision kept discipline,
it could have been like a 60 minute game of full back and forth.
Yeah.
When he said executing, I thought you were going to be talking about Nightfall, DKB
TPing out, because on the edge, it's like one of his classics, and then he's like,
yeah, I've done my job, I killed a guy, I'm out.
The problem with how bad the laning phase was for pvision, it was like one mistake
from the Tera Blade, one bad method, one bad attempt of killing, if you don't actually get a kill and give yourself more breathing room,
not if it will run you over. And that's just exactly what happened. We've already mentioned that Chase down in the lago, what tried to happen.
Everything came crumbling down, but yeah, I enjoyed the fact that this was such a true carry vs carry matchup,
even in such a one-sided game, Satanic was able to kind of give life to P-Vision, but it wasn't enough to have, you know,
you know amazing or wasn't the second game yeah because what made it amazing
because we know that the Ursa was first pick it was kind of dealt with we also
know that puck has a hundred percent win rate this series so I want to just
know where what is the biggest lesson that we're gonna see learn from this
game like well if they let puck go through I want to see some stuns like
they had the opportunity to do so they legit had zero silences zero stuns
up until 40 minutes when Dukey picked up Hex, which was a bit of a later one. They definitely
wanted to have that slightly earlier, just to have that extra bit of a lockdown. But even then,
Rubik with the shard, because they got it from Tormenter, can easily lift you out of the trouble.
So the fights are very difficult, if I think both of the teams are going to be looking to
get Puck for themselves. But you're also going to be drafting accordingly and make sure that
you have something to actually stun him, because it makes the game almost impossible to play.
I mean, if it's Poppy, just look at your players, do a light chuckle, be like, you just lost lanes,
you know, get good, and then motivate them through a little bit of flame, and then
I'm sure Game 3 will be pretty more, pretty competitive.
Well, let's see if that strategy is going to work out for Paravision,
or if Aurora is going to continue their momentum. Game number three of this series, after the break.
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We have expert Caster Sonspan is going to tell us the top five most entertaining players
to watch.
Go to history.
Who's number five?
That's a great question, Sir Action Slack.
Thank you.
Let me think.
They said that you wouldn't touch me.
Does it need to be in any order?
Yes.
Number five is the lowest.
They said you would not.
All right.
I'll pick one current player.
Okay.
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Stop.
player I choose I go higher up on your body go lower Amar is the current
player Amar top five yeah absolutely he plays the off lane but he actually plays
Kerry he doesn't give a shit about his teams I'm playing Kerry regardless of
what layman layman and they actually catered their lineup to him their team
to him which is very special Amar is awesome he just pop off to very fun to
see yeah looking at the camera instead of I want to look at you that's very
Thank you so much all right. How about number four number four and no
See yeah, we're not gonna
Kia taka. Yeah, yes
He is I'm not gonna name the other player because it's my number one. Okay, but he
You never know what's gonna happen either the best thing you've ever seen or completely atrocious
It's almost like watching a sir action stacks, but you just know never know if he's gonna grief or win the game for you
I actually doesn't really sound like you know that they're just the great
That's more of a someone else, but I think he might be on the list. How's number three number three would probably be topson
Thompson always has very crazy builds. I remember the
Diffusal on gyrocopter against the bristleback on we and ti that literally won in the game. That was huge
That was insane. Mm-hmm, and number two. Sorry am I taking your job? Would you like to say number two?
And number two and number two I definitely have miracle miracle. I mean he might be the greatest player of all time
At least for that span of period that he was actually playing he just pops off all the time
Okay, insanely entertaining to watch and
This is your job. All right great jobs with our sons fan, but who would you put his number one?
It's not close sir action slacks. Yes. Thank you guys who my number one is sons fan TV
I think I do know who your number one is my number one is eternal envy of course most
hilarious
Personality in the history of Dota he gets he puts energy drinks on people's heads
Yep, you never know if his well his games always went 60 plus minutes a lot of chairs
Absolutely just hilarious in all fronts. Do not follow him on Twitter. It is actually
Horrific to see what he's been posting. Okay, but apparently he's very rich now
Well rich in mind and spirit as well. Thank you so much. Thank you
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Relax as much as we have during that low break as we head into game number three Aurora and Paravision both of these teams right now
Now top six here at PGA O'Lachia season eight, but winning this one game that's upcoming will
guarantee you top three here as we are in the upper bracket semi-finals.
And they're going to lie, both games so far, they were both pretty one sided.
Oh, 100%.
They are very stompy.
Yeah.
I don't think we've covered the best of three yet, where it's felt like that whiplashy,
like from one game to the next.
Yeah.
So going into game three, it really falls like the little nuances of the draft
are going to play a big factor.
Nightful first stages here again to escape poppy roofless ban strategy of making sure he doesn't get to play his comfort
We might actually see if fuck doesn't get banned
We might see fuck squeezed in and get priority and maybe picked in the first phase as well
Well, we have a change because both games so far
Believe paravision has been first pick this time round it will be Aurora with first pick
So a little bit of the first shift up there
Which does mean P-Vision have to use a couple different bands, right? They have to put Slardar on their side, they still do the Elk Band, they're doing Last Time.
So what was the hero that we're missing in regards to the Bango?
And in regards to the First Phase Band, we saw a tiny band as well as Monkey King.
So the Monkey King is one that is...
Oh, first phase ban Ursa. Monkey King in.
Yeah, Ursa is the investment ban. Like relatively low chance of a world first,
take it overall, but good to get it out now. I mean you only have one ban in the
second phase, so often you see that number seven on the ban like that is
kind of the space to throw a freebie out for the future.
But I thought Monkey King was broken in a good way.
And they might run this as a position for as well for themselves still they are that type of a team that he goes for essence distiller
He provides vision of his own then you have eight seconds of vision with the essence distiller
Or they can just play it from the mid lane they could play it from the carry roll first pick it all right
As predicted this is how tanks shift in Dota like you see a hero that is doing wallets undefeated in the serious
why not shift the priority. But you had the win rate of how much it won when it was first pick,
right? Because you had split them up for first pick. It was 50% on side of Aurora.
Because that doesn't bring inspiration. That does go towards the hero, right? I think even in the
interview of Puffy, he didn't mention that against Puck, outhealing and surviving the Puck is a
good way to deal with not having the lockdown. Of course, their lanes were terrible, so we didn't
really get to see it perfectly play out. But you can outheal the Puck, you can out sustain
the puck you can out maybe even lock down the puck of course the most obvious way there are five picks
now p vision give me some rubik like maybe like because i don't know if it's gonna survive they
have the opportunity to pick rubik in the previous game as well but decided not to so i'm not sure if
they have like different option or opinions how to counter this hero but i would love to see
something give me something to lock it in you want to park all night stalker you know like
Let's have a really confident...
Doesn't Monkey also do okay against the puck?
He's decent lad, yes.
And he has all that flex potential.
What's the reason to not pick the Monkey?
And that's why it's picked right now.
Well, they're taking so long.
Because Triple S is really wanting the Night Stalker.
Did they ever open with the Night Stalker?
Probably not.
I think they did it once.
Let's do a soft high five so production doesn't get annoyed by the clap.
I can't confirm.
They did high five very gently.
next talker. Very nice. We've
seen him own on this hero
once and it was the first game
where he went like, wow, and
there were rumors that they were
going to replace the guy.
And that doesn't seem likely.
Well, the room is a sparing one
to be very well, of course,
you know, the contract,
the motivation, all those papers
that they actually have.
It's actually the coach holding
all the players contracts.
That's it. No, it provided me
a lot of how you have said
because we also saw him on a
slaughter. It is similar
play style. It's just go,
go go go go. I would actually be intrigued to know for the future that P-Vision actually
have no papers during draft. Other teams they've got ward maps here everything. They've got like
a puppy has everything in his head of course but it's old school versus plus years of Dota
yeah in one head. There's one thing that I remember when they had the Night Stalker last time
guess which hero Ducalus was playing? Phoenix. Yeah there was some counter synergy there.
Yeah, I would say that it's not good, it's like as a Night Stalker player myself, I hate to have him on the enemy team, on my team, it's like double spirit vessel, triple mech type of a situation, you know, it's not the greatest.
Yeah, it was definitely a little counter synergy, they still ended up winning that game of course, but it looked a little iffy here and there, but potentially because they won last time we won't sway them away from going for it again.
It also helps...
I think the Phoenix will be more of a...
Let's see the next couple of picks for Aurora, if P-Vision are to take it.
It's just nice against Nightful, right?
If he is to go for...
It's nice, Stalker. He's very nice.
I am just... the more you do this, I just love it.
Back to you, Lacoste.
Back to me, yeah. I'd be okay with the Rubik on 13.
It kind of blocks the underboard pick that Aurora could potentially get out.
It is a good laning partner for Nightstalker, instant lift for Puck.
It is a hero that nine class did play multiple times.
So far he played it twice.
There's going to be another counter.
So Puck is, this is also a hero that you don't flex like this is mid.
It was flexed in Dota history.
People try to play this.
Four mid-off lane, but not anymore.
It's been very popular as a carry this event, no?
Yeah, it could be a carry, no?
Look at this.
20 to 14 is carry, one to one in mid.
What do you look off?
Tiny.
Yeah.
No, I was talking about Puck.
Oh!
We were both like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
I got a kill for a snack and like, what are we?
Like, I was trying to remember last time Puck was played
as a carry.
We both sorry.
I was like, what's he yapping about?
That was the most like, old, tiny take I've heard.
It's like, I don't even consider
pretending to be a mid-hero anymore.
It's a complex like a couple of times.
Like, go with like a campaign.
I'm back to you guys.
All right, no.
We're good.
Again, P-Vision, the way that they're drafting
is the Phoenix band, of course, the print night stalker.
The tiny that Aurora would have liked to have,
you want to take it yourself.
Like we've seen from the stats, most likely,
the carry can be the mid, because you
know, as Lacoste wonderfully mentioned,
Puck only plays the mid lane.
Unless it's Poppy trying to play at five
on a whatever iteration.
Yeah, he's like, you'll be here out here.
We're going to pretend that you have some stomach problems and now I'm playing the
greediest five ever possible.
I'm just going to go four stars puck and run around and maybe win.
It's like, well, it's the puppy puck five or it's the Kuroki plus five Razor that they
go down in here.
It's Dragonite back in the days as well with mech.
The times have changed, but yeah, could we just do good of a hero.
It gives you one-two combo with puck to be able to pretty much kill any hero on
the map.
because of the strength game, because of the items that you're buying into.
I also want to see how Paravision is going to be playing with this Night Stalker,
whether they're going to be trying to put as much pressure,
because I've seen a couple of Night Stalker games where you leave the lane almost six minutes in,
and then you start to put the pressure as much as you can,
especially if you're getting some earlier levels,
if your position four is staying out of XP range,
so you get that level six, you have Alti available,
and then you start to hunt them down.
You also have this such non-committal damage for Aurora, you've got Power Short, you've got Sharp Shooter,
Puck can jump in with a Core Disengager, everything's just off-screen damage that can assassinate one player.
Very, very scary, but I think the Wind Ranger, it was inevitable.
Into the Night Stalker, having the range carry, there's only been one range carry night for us to find the tournament.
So I don't think P-Visual will be taken back by this.
They still get the Rubik that we both love to see.
It's Fade Bolt against Puck, any way to mitigate the damage.
Puck scales her damage through items.
You want Grasmur, and Sheevahs, and all this.
Yeah, it's also a hero that scales in damage with right-click as well,
so you are producing both damage now.
And that's pretty much the reason why the hero is super good.
They did answer this, Puck.
Seems like pretty much everybody on the team was like,
well, we couldn't play the game.
We didn't have a single stun against the hero,
and I have like three probably biggest counters except for maybe Shaman and Lion, but no counter
on the lane. So what do you want to do on the lanes? It's landing stage against the puck or
you want to just get something that will farm either way. Well, you would just get something
that is like not like you might get some casual ember, you might get the sanking depending
what they could flex this tiny to the mid lane, which I think I haven't really been impressed
by mid tiniest from what I've seen, especially the game yesterday when Laurel played it. They
They just looked disastrous going for Ekko Saber, then going for a blank dagger, especially in the losing game.
I could see Mid Tiny being better this game, even though I think it was like one for one on the stats.
Just for the fact that you can play on...
Like, your Night Stoker will give you timings to play through, and you are another scaling core.
I think Nisha showed how Ekko Saber of Tiny can work, but you need to find kills.
You need to actually make things happen. Night Stoker will always invite that.
So maybe it works out this time for PeaVision, but they're not trying...
They are still keeping the flex alive, of course, between mid to carry.
We get to see the clockwork.
Is it also a little bit of a die pick?
Because if Windranger is the carry, then the clock is a good support to go with that.
Or are we just going to see a tusk?
I'd lean more towards tusk.
I think drinking buddies against Nightstalker is always going to be very good.
But Nightstalker has his BQB timing.
If you can just displace your teammate a little bit, it can be helpful.
But utilizing pick 18, they don't want to use it on a support.
They want a high value core.
And any B could be piercing stun against the Night Stalker was very good.
We also need to note how important the Distiller, what's the other urn, the Vessel?
Is it Distiller?
Yeah, cool.
Distiller, Distiller, you put down Night Stalker, you just take his ultimate vision,
right?
So when he's running around and he's distilled, it's like, I've got eight seconds of it.
Yeah.
It's dormant for 15 seconds as well, so if you pick it up and then like another
eight seconds, it's just too good.
But yeah, Beastmaster, WS he didn't play the Beastmaster, it was like more exclusively played
from the off lane when Bedboom plays it, so maybe they're thinking this is going to be
the carry Beastmaster or this Windranger can be played as 4, this is something that Bedboom
did go for yesterday and say was Godlike, he was beyond Godlike, didn't die a single
time in that game, so the hero is still viable if they feel like they can find something
better.
with the jargon of the band. They are screaming. They need to protect this guy.
Again, 23 pick is just going to go the way of the position 5.
Keori getting respected with Warlock.
Would you then respect his jikiro, the one he normally plays, or respect the tusk, the one who would pair well with the windranger?
Like, are you going to respect the comfort or the good?
I mean, there's also an argument towards the Venom monster as well, right?
Super toxic laner make, you know, not so I could think about positioning win ranger is pretty good at just constantly whittling down heroes
Yep, annoying them and it would be really good Marcy position five game. Oh, he could play it
I don't remember if this is in his hero pool, but
Pushing people out of Nightstalker silence. It's pretty much to save against tiny
It's save against pretty much clock. It's just a very good overall
They have a lot of mini stuns on top of that with Void with
Tiny's avalanche like instant lift from rubik clock or quit battery assault
So might not be like the best one but they are banning out the saving heroes because they know once they lock on to a target
They want to kill it from hundred to zero. Yeah the last time kaiori played
Marthys balls in
2023 when he was like three years ago. Yeah, so probably not gonna happen unless he played it
Task is the easier option.
Yeah.
But then, as we already mentioned, there are some obnoxious range terrors, sorry, like the Tracura and the Venom.
We'll just see which route he wants to take. I think normally in this position, as long as Kira goes, I can help you win the lane nightfall, he'll probably get it.
Venom it is.
Yeah, the Venom is the most toxic of all.
we know he has what like third highest hero damage of any player at the six
minute mark in the tournament so far it's probably because of him playing
Venom and other such heroes now the question is the tiny we did see carries
being banned out on the side of Aurora but that is mostly protecting their
beast master but tiny could still be carry and we are seeing no one talk so
that does leave me to believe that maybe we're gonna get a fresh mid laner
coming out? I mean Ember is always an option just to have mage layer buyer
there's a lot of magic damage coming out from them but they go for the old-school
classic when in doubt I think two Valachias ago he was on an insanely good
win streak on satanic he was like maybe even 20 wins in it was just the
insane a number but I also want to see cuz I was like it was in the back of
my head but then I thought about you know Windranger she as a carry could
potentially also build into the fuselblade against Medusa could be very
effective yeah yeah pretty much a p-vision they are just put into a role
like we have a Medusa that can stand her ground against the beast monster in the
early game doesn't care about the puck damage we said about the sustain
against the puck coil from the game Medusa can be that hero always
walking up to objectives holding your position doing this stuff also I've
not really seen puppy ever lean into the screen that much but it's a
The Colossal. There must be something very important that we need to point out. By this item.
Or he was trying to make the Colossal change his set.
Or... Because in the pick screen you see the minimap.
He might be pointing at the minimap, like smoke to this point.
Because rather than describing it, he might be pointing at, hey let's go do this one.
Or something more important, probably they have banana on their side,
put that carrot cog cosmetic right now so that we have some veggie fruit
combo for the team as well. Yeah, very strong.
I prefer carrots myself. I really don't like the texture of bananas. So because of that, I am leaning towards p-vision
Yeah, I think it's a carrot.
Yeah, I do like what Paravision dresses for themselves every single time I watch
Because I don't think they have the burst damage to kill Medusa and they can play around either night stalker to support
They can hug pretty much any of the cores and they're gonna be feeling safe in this game
The main thing Aurora has is the aggression that we saw from Game 2. They can win their lanes, they can create all these moments to be aggressive.
Eventually I do feel like P-Vision are just scary to fight into, but they have the tools to be that really obnoxious laning team from Game 2.
The question is, is Nightfall buffed when Nightstalker uses ulti?
Because the night falls?
Yeah.
Thanks for explaining that, well that was a difficult one.
When I had to think about it, it's like it's the first time.
It was the last game actually, I wrote it down wrong.
I need to know if this game has a similar, like if one team gets ahead,
are we going to have a repeat of whoever gets ahead in the leading stage, like...
I hope for all of us and the fans, it's not Stumpy.
We've had our Stumpy game moment too.
I know we're all not hoping for it, but I would love it.
I think Medusa with 2-3 items can close out this game.
Yeah.
But also Venom also can just demolish the lane and the knife will pops off and then be
... whatever.
We're going to find out how it's going to play out.
Thank you so much, Gen 1, for your insights.
We're going to head over to Slex and starting my way with Coach KP.
Yes, thank you for those insights, my friends.
We are here with KP.
KP, welcome back.
Now things have changed a lot in this game.
We saw the kind of the stomping and then the quickness and this one seems
to be a little bit different for both of you guys. Medusa pick coming out last, that to
me says long game. Is that how you're feeling it as well, or could this be a little crazy?
I think we're gonna snowball. You think we're gonna snowball? Explain that to me, why?
Okay, while Beast lane against Medusa, we think it's advantageous, 6-4. We're gonna
get early Hamilton, we're gonna get his tower, we're gonna get his jungler on board,
then we're gonna go kill the mid tower. After that Beastmaster's gonna go find the
like 10 stacks of the ancients. He's gonna stomp me too in like, I don't know, like 14 minutes.
Damn! Damn! Hell yeah! Got damn!
Yeah! Not over the map. Yeah! All right! Okay! I don't think any of that's gonna happen,
but that sounds pretty cool though. I like that story. You can pick Puck first. Is this real?
Because last time you picked Puck, you assumed, I mean at least Puppy said that you guys would
not be able to do anything. You'd be running at their towers. Too much momentum. This time,
so they didn't counter pick it. This time we do see some counter picks coming in. Are
What are you worried about at this time?
It's Makoto Puck. He's the best puck in the world.
I've been sarcastic the whole day, but this is actually a fact.
I mean, they have counters that have NS, Tiny, Rubik is the sort of counter.
So this game is a bit different. It's most of free, but my boy is going to do it.
Now for you old school players out there, Tiny versus Puck Mid was actually a thing.
It was a counter. Things have changed a lot.
You do have no one, which is the most unqe of all players at this event.
Do you think that this could go in Tiny's way or has that relationship now changed?
It's changed. Like the gameplay is so different. They maxed like 3-throats or...
Let's see if Funk still got it.
Okay, well, we will find out. Thank you so much for your time. Good luck in your game.
We will find out if Funk still has it, or if New Age Generation, 14 minutes, baby! Woo!
Thank you very much Slacks and indeed KP striking a very positive posture about his squad, about his draft.
draft and in this deciding game Lizard, upper bracket final Beckins $60,000 on the line.
Which draft do you have the most confidence in? Do you agree with KP?
I gotta say I do. I feel like their draft is really strong and we have seen this Beastmaster
on the offlane a couple of times now already. Miro played a mean Beastmaster yesterday
and you know, he peaced at 14 minutes. Those are rookie numbers. He did it in 13.
So maybe there is a chance for WS as well even though it's not his most played hero
to match that tempo and get a very early on Helm of Dominator, maybe Overlord as well,
but we have two kills already by the way.
We're about to get a third one potentially, Zatanic will eat the acorn shot, Axes will
fly through as well, but had a magic stick, were able to get some of them one up back.
We also had a deny, so we had a deny, we had the kill, and the way things are looking
like now, Aurora, these CS numbers are kind of scary at the moment.
they truly are, like they're doing well in all three lanes, Clockwork as well, by the way,
playing versus a beast and a hoodwink.
Clockwork is a sort of a hero that does need a little bit of an assistance from your laner
and with the Medusa you aren't really getting a lot, plus he's playing into summons, right?
So, battery assault, something that in the current patch is usually maxed out,
like you are getting more levels of battery assault, like previous patches were all about
the power cocks.
Who's the other dead mirror?
I've been shadowing the snake lady.
Damn.
I mean, so this what happened. You picked up a Sachi hero.
Sometimes you get felled on. Top lane, they're going on to triple S in the nightfall.
Gonna be able to pick up that Night Stalker.
Okay, so a lot is going wrong right now, right?
Medusa is not able to farm in her lane.
Top, triple S, I think this is the biggest deal.
He cannot be allowed to lose this lane.
Because if this Night Stalker can't actually get involved in the game,
it feels like another free-park game under those conditions.
Yeah, Naisdokker was... he kinda came back into the meta, but he's still not the strongest
laner out there in the first five minutes.
So the first five minutes are more about surviving and doing what you can.
So far it's not looking great for him.
This is like it's set back to the fountain, Gang.
They just need a power shot.
Naisdok doesn't have the mana for it though.
So that's something, but look how low he ticked out at 100 HP.
It's as good as that, right?
Like he cannot approach the lane.
He needs to wait for the Sol, so when you get someone this low, it might even be better
if you just die so you can reset and go back into the lane.
Given that Nightfold is playing this Windranger, there was a period of time when we sometimes
see the Diffusal Blade, as a carry item on Windranger?
I don't think it's worth it, actually.
When you're playing into the Medusa, I feel like the numbers are still a bit better
when you go for the standard build.
Right now my dudes are struggling anyway so he doesn't need to overthink this, Nira almost
died to the damage from Dukalis.
Not enough to take him out in the end, still had a fairy fire to consume as well.
A couple of nice hits on the cogs by Dukalis like he's been doing a good job at least
when it comes to keeping their mana low on the other side.
9th class, couple of right clicks, a power shot, dead Rubik, might fall, I'm
In the game of his life, 23-13 in the CS, Night Stalker has 4.
Yeah, he has as much CS as his clockwork. Rubik has more.
And Rubik has died 3 times.
He actually might die here as well. Shackle Shot latches perfectly from Nightfall.
They're gonna connect with the Venom Scale and SSS is dead, dead, dead.
this stop lane is a disaster like there is nothing more to it I feel like at
this point you have to figure out something different I guess you do have
nighttime now and maybe your rotation from the support can happen to sway the
circumstances but this is the problem when you're playing versus Venom if you
start losing the lane the lane is done there is no creep skipping there is
nothing like that you cannot creep skip into one of the longest slow
in the game, by the way, Venomous Gale lasts for 15 seconds, so good luck trying to get
the creep back.
Adam Lane, they need to get some help into Satanic, his mana has all been burned away,
a couple of more right clicks is all they need, and WS gets another kill on Satanic.
I'm not sure they'll be able to chase down Ducalus, they will attempt to do so, Muran
has Bushwack, throws it out, goes in, and through the Twin Gate, here comes Kaori
with the Venomous Gale, WS with a double kill, you know, it makes us all that
much worse, Lizard.
You gotta admit Tiny. This guy needs blink dagger before we can even think about responding to hop the other lanes.
I think we witnessed a very similar game where the Tiny went for Echo Saber because they just had no damage.
Remember? He needed a blink, but they had no damage and he opted to go for Echo Saber.
I feel like in this game he desperately needs to go for the blink.
But I see another issue with their draft. It's the lack of damage before Medusa comes online.
like who actually makes plays on the side of Paravision even with the tiny blink
if they're not going to have the same damage that like in previous patches tiny
was played mid because it was a different kind of a hero like blink
Allah toss and the hero is dead
this could be dead again here but you're just softening her up I already
didn't come back to the twin gate still though Elm of Dominator is
completed by the way I believe it's flying out the recipe so that's an
additional creep that Beastmaster will be playing with. It felt like a nerve by
the way when they separated the Raptors from the Razorback but honestly it
wasn't like this hero feels as strong as ever played as a carry or as an offender
even mid.
They will come through, Kaori came through the gates, but this time around Paravision already for this.
Three heroes also around, the Venomonzer and Zatanic, finally something is going right for the Deuza.
It's a pretty good kill. Not only did they kill the Venom, they prevent any sorts of aggression.
Once Footwink is back down bottom.
Everything is going in the smith lane. No one still needs some boots, Makoto is level 7, also out farming this tiny right now.
Bottom? Jeez, they're just not letting Zatanic breathe. Nightfall has come through the Twin
Gate now as well. They're gonna have to reinforce the TP in with Triple S, but Focus Fire already
extended onto Drukalus. Drukalus will be the first one to die, but Nightstalker trying
to at least get the catch onto this Windranger and indeed with the TP from Tiny as well,
they ensure that Nightfall is punished with his move to the bottom lane. They're
just gonna be done just yet. Toss forward from Tiny. Triple S is out of mana, however.
So WS will be safe for now, Bushwack holding back the timing. WS throws the primal roll out onto the Night Spoker.
He doesn't die because the Senso conqueror got the Stomp.
But eventually, SSS there with the Void, they find a Beastmaster kill.
Some restabilization from the side of Paravision.
They killed Nightfall, they killed the Windranger and they get the Beastmaster in the end.
This is massive. And this kind of an aggression sometimes can't work, but sometimes the backfire is heavily.
And I feel like considering they were dominating all three lanes, mid lane was even,
but considering they were dominating the side lanes,
maybe this kind of a play was a little bit premature,
because it's like winning the lane hard and then going to the Wisdom Shrine to feed, right?
That's how it felt, because they responded very nicely in a paravision with both the Night Stalker and with the Tiny.
Well, they're not done. They're coming back right now.
Shackle shot, lashes in onto the Rubik.
9th class will certainly die Medusa, can she TP out? No.
Beautiful bushwag from the trees, Mira holds down the Medusa, Kari gets a double kill,
and Aurora, it's all gas, no breaks.
Fans of Jacob Fartu it seems.
This time it is a little bit different, there are no TPs and you know that they don't have
TPs, they just use them to support the Medusa first time, so the moves very solid.
So, King Grim right now for Paravision.
This is the kind of a Medusa game where you're kind of all-inning on the Medusa and so far
Satanic is really not having a good time.
No one starts the assault onto Makoro, but the pushback on the Cogs is not going to
be there.
Dodged by the phase shift to Makoro, it's all good.
They need a blink on Eidskalker, right?
Like before these kind of moves happen, you can perhaps catchpuck with the lift
into crippling fear, but everyone has to be in position here.
The hoodwink doesn't have as easy options unfortunately, so the hoodwink will end up going down, quickly
killed off, very necessary killed, give some gold towards Troublesse as he builds towards
that blank target.
He had a couple of really good Nightstalker games where he absolutely snowballed out
of control this time around. Much more difficult of a job to do. Harder laning stage, harder
first night. We still did get two assists and a kill in the first night, so it's still
pretty good.
Aurora intent on playing as a team right now. They'll bring the Beastmaster towards middle
and show that they have further pressure onto the tier 3 tower.
Or tier 1 tower, excuse me. Three heroes around it should die with the C-Dragging right behind.
Not much that Tiny can do about this. Still doesn't have his own link dagger.
The snowballing more or less commenced.
The one thing that they haven't really been doing top lane, triple nades, let's see.
Does manage to dodge the sharp shooter, can't do too much about the 9-4 focus fire, meantime
back towards middle, not just plague was thrown in onto Ducales, being slowed down,
Nekoto with the haste rune, should be able to chase him down but it's unnecessary,
WS gets him with the wild access.
No one was really close enough to get that deny, even with the gale being applied
You couldn't really get there
Yeah, I was going to say that they aren't really making any stacks for the beast and that because of that
Maybe his Helm of Overlord will be a little bit slower, but if they're going to take every objective and a couple of kills
He doesn't have to go to the triangle like you can just continue pressuring playing the map
They might be able to punish you onto Makoto and they get him
Nicely done by no one
It's a pretty big kill. Get them very close to the blink dagger.
Absolutely. Orb stolen by Rubik. Just a lot of damage.
Rubik has always been one of these great versus punk heroes, Mira.
Now let's get the hook shot out. Pushes this hoodwink.
No one. No one. It's a double kill now for no one.
Dude, this game is crazy.
We're 12 minutes in and we have 19 kills.
There's a 5k turned into 4k lead now.
It's somewhere around that ballpark on Aurora, but uh...
Okay, they're still managing to get a couple of kills on the other side.
I'm not the over yet, 9 plus.
Has a puck coming towards him.
Doesn't want to drop the dreamclaw just yet.
They did have the beastmaster there.
The Kralis didn't get those cogs, they could have had the roll into the dreamclaw there,
but it's just going to back off from farm instead.
They were securing the rune as well for puck.
He's got the arcane rune, which blade is very close for him.
And he is what 100 gold away from dominators, a 13 minute dominator, right?
Overlord that is, of course, actually pre-13 minute overlords, even faster.
We need to check on how fast that is relative to the average, that's actually pretty crazy.
It's super high, it's super fast when it comes to at least the averages of the tournament, I feel like it's top 3 overlords at least.
We don't really see Beastmaster on offlane all too much, a couple of games here and there.
What we're all gonna see now though is a blink dagger reveal because no one has smoked up with the boys
They will find Mira and WS. They got the lift on the Beastmaster pushing him in towards the two colors
Prime Oroa will buy some space, but he has a hook shot going back towards WS
Do they have the damage to finish off this beast? He's just standing his ground still alive. They kill Tiny
They kill Rubik. They kill the Clockwork or Oroa were ready the Beastmaster
Even though he dies it's a trade that is well worth it. Mamakoto might even want some more as you see
He's triple S, can't catch up to him, it's night time so the vision advantage is there for the night's local.
I think the smoke and everything, the plan was good but the execution wasn't really all there.
The Avalanche didn't connect, right?
I think the Avalanche actually, the damage wasn't there on the Beastmaster at all, the initial one.
So it kind of allows him, and gives him enough breathing room to use the ulti to get away, to bait them even deeper.
And also the tier two, of course the only outpost for the Nightstalker to TP in.
ETP is in, uses ulti but still isn't fast enough to connect.
Look at the avalanche, I wonder if...
I just got the gas and it's like, if they go on me, we kill them all, huh?
Venom.
Okay.
Kauri understands his hero.
It's noxious plague, bouncing around.
A lot of damage dealt by him in that fight.
Mm-hmm.
Venom answer is one of those.
It's not really a specialist hero mid lane.
Okay, focus fire, shackle shot with the sharp hero as well, onto Zetanek.
WS will also show himself here
Utilizing the creep to make the kill happen on the Medusa
That proud of Shaman still chasing trying to get more vision on these heroes
They get a bushwack out onto no one, but the rest of the heroes aren't there because Makoto is zoning back 9 class into the base
Avalanche toss no one finds the assassination onto Mira at the very least
He's finding all these backline
Assassinations all the time, but they saw now they see him
He's being slowed down, Kaori hit him with the Essence Distiller, they have the vision.
Nightfall doesn't have much mana, the spell does have the windrun.
Private Role comes out on the Beastmaster, they will definitely be able to kill the Tiny.
They were thinking about going Puck in the mid lane, but 20 seconds without Dark Ascension,
so he couldn't really get on top of him over the cliff.
There's a huge difference, by the way, between the nature of the two heroes, Tiny and Puck.
Puck has a lot of built-in mobility.
And on the other side, not only are you playing tiny that relies mostly on a blink, you're playing tiny into a Venom answer.
And it is insanely difficult to find the right angle to enter the fight, because there's just these serpent words everywhere.
That's what Keori said, if they go on me, they probably die.
Unless...
What did he buy, actually? Where did all his gold go?
Did it go anywhere?
Did he have gold? He's got 65 last hits.
He's got something coming on the courier. Okay, it's a Midas. There we go.
That's where the gold ends. The gloves and the Midas is...
That's pretty much it. I mean, I get it.
Considering how the game started, recovery Midas is
perhaps the play. Of course, it does delay the blink dagger even further.
It's not the worst item on Icealker as you can get some extra
Attack speed going as well of course.
No one looking for the shard.
What's also kind of scary is all this time, throughout all the skirmishing, Nightfall hasn't shown up to the last two of them, so he's just been farming away.
Already has the Mjolnir finished, top of the net worth, looking towards getting the Hurricane back.
Just farming in the Radiant Triangle right now, so depriving Medusa of places where she can accelerate.
can accelerate. And that's pretty much the main spot for Medusa to farm in right
because you can farm the ancients, you can farm the medium camp so depriving
those two spots from her is already a pretty good swing in gold for your carry
but it's not only the end-all be all carry on on the side of Aurora. Nightfall
definitely is the hard carry of the team but you have yeast and puck. All
three cores scale very well in the end game.
Smoked up by parry, but smoked by Aurora as well, so we could have a flash here in this mid lane.
9 classes showing first, so he could be the primary target.
Will he get out of here?
With the bushwack, oh, he is gone.
They try to go in with no one, but unfortunately he's gonna find himself getting primal road up.
Triple S trying to buy some space and time to get him out of here, but it's not enough.
Kaori put in too much dot damage.
This tiny will die.
They bought back on Rubik, hoping to re-engage.
But Aurora, they get the kills and leave.
It was a nice avatars combo from the Tiny, it wasn't that bad, but whenever he initiates
he puts himself completely out of position, he's vulnerable, they catch him, any dot that
is applied to him, it's very hard to get away after, even with the Medusa cover.
But they are buying time.
The idea definitely is there for Paravision, the Midas on the Night Stalker, right, like
this is the sort of a game.
They know that they're just cooked in the laning stage, but it didn't really go that well.
So, gotta get the Midas, gotta go for the late game.
idea that was coming he ends up dead immediately. That was probably fortunate
because it could have lasted nine classes well he was right behind but it's
connected on to a tree instead and this is basically rush for you.
Pokerick is dead then seconds without him like even if he was alive I feel like
they could still threaten the pit they have the helm of Overlord one or the
other agonies for Overlord you go into the pit we've been talking about
about this in the previous Beastmaster games as well.
There is a rock kept on the other side though,
so they will know.
Gonna get jumped on by no one,
avatars is there and they blow him up.
In the meantime, Makoto and WS and Nira
going onto nine claws and are able to assassinate the Rubik.
It's a one-one trade and it does interrupt
the Roshan a little bit for now.
Can they?
Are they actually going to go on this?
Even without a windranger, okay?
You just picked up the blink dagger on SSS, oh beautiful silence, but unfortunately WS still finds the Primal Wall,
Nakota on the other side with an amplified damage rune.
That's a big deal, because he just picked up the blink, imagine if he got out and they could re-engage with the blink dagger instead.
They do delay rush at least, and even just delaying it, you're not only delaying rush on,
you're delaying rush and subsequent pushes, right?
and you're playing with Meduza. So you could see that Satanic wasn't even joining, he wasn't even next to the pit, he was just farming and out pushing top lane.
So all of this, what they're doing, is mean stall. Just stall, stall, stall. Get to at least the butterfly stage of Meduza.
Once you get that item, maybe a teamfight is actually possible. You saw how fast they could eliminate Windranger.
And the same can be said for Puck. I feel like both of these heroes, they fall very quickly to the blink dagger from Nightstalker and the blink dagger from Tiny.
Instead of taking Roche, the next objective they will go for is going to be his Tormentor.
By the way, I went to check this timing on the Overlord. Second fastest was Patch.
Which is kind of crazy.
Crazy.
WS.
And then the boys, they get a shot, a hunted boomerang.
Very nice shot to have in a game like this.
It was between him and the Venom answer, right?
So, a much better shot on the hoodlink.
Venom's shot is also okay, but...
Nothing crazy.
9k gold lead for Aurora.
But they do have the blink on Choppeless, building into a PKB, satanic, slowly but surely getting there on having this butterfly available.
Already has the ego song in the inventory.
You know what, if they can slow this game out, I do see a way back in. Like, you're 9k, but it's a Medusa game.
9k behind isn't really insurmountable. Like, it's a lead that you can play around, especially when the couple of items arrive on the Medusa.
I would say not only because of the nature of the Medusa draft, but because of the nature of Aurora's draft.
If you look at their cores, extremely squish squish cores, Puck and the Windranger, right, and no saves on their side.
Like, your only save is actually like an offensive roar to stop the target from dying,
like a roar on a Nightstalker that is going on a Puck.
You don't have any hero with disruption, roar.
WS gets the roll out, but Night Slash isn't dead yet, finally he will die, no one went in, 8x boss on Kairuri already at half HP, the 8x maybe triple S though, coming through to try and bail them out, but to Kallis, his hook shot unfortunately put triple S in an awkward position, who now gets pushwacked into the corner, ticked down by Kairuri and killed off by Makoto.
Yeah, this combination of heroes is supposed to work a little bit differently night stalker and clock when they go on a target
Usually this is a very good combo. They have a lot of innate synergy like crippling fear in the area of effect
And then cogs around so that's the target can't even move
Unfortunately, I think he hit the board or just a casual melee creep. He hit something, but he didn't connect on the hero
Results in them using a tier 2 tower middle
So it's a very peculiar build by the way on Cogg, and it's very popular by the way.
When you see this at first you're like, what the hell is going on?
There's a blink clockwork, but in high level pubs like this is becoming a thing, like
a lot of clockworks are opting to go for it.
Just blink in, use Coggs, because you can now walk over them.
It gives you enough time to maybe a Cogg a target and just walk away.
You don't have to use the hook.
you if you don't have a hook you can actually initiate.
What remains if you have initiation, Makoto will do so onto no one, he has mirror as well
with the bushwhack, crop shooter, no one will buy some time with his ULs but knows his
life is forfeit.
Killing spree for the Makoto puck.
Yep, 13k lead, still buying time of course on Paravision, what's the Medusa check
like?
It's coming
There's some Aurora just going in for the Roche
My full has a hurricane bike. What do you think BKB throws to MKB?
Nightful I'd like to see a BKB actually
Maybe he goes for MKB now that he's got the Aegis, but I think BKB is quite necessary in this game
MKB versus Medusa is fine
You need it. She's got butterfly, but you will not be using the mkb if you are dead
And without the bkb, I think he's still a pretty easy target to take down
U.S.
Christian envelope. He does have a bkb on the speedmaster
Take down the tier 2 tower
So pretty much all the outer towers out of real estate has been taken away from parry vision
We're already in a situation where high ground defense has to sort of being thought about
And you can see the way that they use their vision for Aurora, right?
Like, there's one ward right next to the tier 3 on bot lane,
there's one ward next to their wisdom shrine on top lane,
so they don't want to leave anything to chance,
they don't want to allow anyone to leave the base properly.
They are doing that through the mid lane though,
and I don't think they were scouted completely.
All right, we'll just step outside the base a bit,
Triple S utilizing his Midas, making sure OD Pixel won't be sad about unused Midas.
That's the Midas.
Triple S barely making it out, so he's going to be safe.
And they won't find anybody, no one though, he just exits the base but blinks into safety just in time.
They had a ward on the cliff, so the moment Smoke broke, he had vision on them as well.
No one really wants to find a positive angle here.
He doesn't have any BKBs on their side though, even though Medusa is somewhat ready to fight.
No BKB on Nightstalker, no BKB on the Tiny.
He isn't even going for one, he's going for a 4 staff next by the way, so some extra mobility from him.
just wants to dodge minimum scale and hit that spell too many times he's like
not again not again
15k gold lead for Aurora still about three minutes remaining on the sages
they're not pretending to play slowly oh no they found satanic satanic need help
bushwack is out prime Aurora as well with the focus fire from nightfall they
take down the doosa no buyback available for her to Carlos will die
with in his own cogs and now triple S stuck on the far side of the fight he cannot do anything
right behind him was no one who also got shackled again the counter synergy i believe clockwork
blinked him cogged and just cogged his own heroes there so they were sitting ducks this was
a disastrous fight for paravision exactly where you don't want to take the fight outside of your
phase on the doorstep with a beast monster and a wind ranger who are very happy to come off the
Mercil, Makoto, going forward, they find 9th class, they hit him with the bush right, they bring him down
Go GG boys, go, go, go
Oh wow
Mira is so confident about how this game is going, he's instructing the opponent guys, just call GG because
Honestly, I don't disagree with it, how on earth do you stop this?
You still have Medusa, I feel like it's one of those heroes where a team is never going to GG out until the last bell
until the throne falls you're sticking through like you have ways of dealing
with Megas you have ways of scaling and it's a synthetic Medusa so okay
Mira he wanted the GG but he's not going to get it speaking of Mira by the way
has a Halberd killed off like Halberd is I know eternal shroud has been
removed but Halberd is more dead than eternal shroud it feels like
I'll still be fun to see.
Tartanek playing the Versace hero, but this is not Gucci for him.
Gonna get shackleshot at five.
Focus fire will be there.
Will there at least be a hookshot from Tukales to interrupt proceedings?
And Triple S goes in, crippling fear.
They fight the silent underwind ranger.
They take life number one, but it will cost the life of the Nightforker.
Bites back instantly alongside Tukales.
Avalanche to us under Nightfall.
Nightfall!
He dies without being able to activate the BKB.
and now triple S has space to rush forward to look towards Nira, couldn't kill him off
just yet though. The rest of Aurora they just want to run but no one doesn't want to allow
with the Avalon wing. What the hell is that? Four stops during tosses, changes the trajectory
of the battle monster. It won't matter in the end. He gets used up and killed off
by nine clocks.
And he gets another kill and even though it did cost them a couple of buybacks, this
is the kind of a defense that you really want from playing Medusa. The drink.
Oh, he doesn't get over.
got bounced back by the sharpshooter.
Unfortunately, Drupalus can traverse these cliffs.
Easily find him.
Ducales will steal the kill, but he's OK.
He tried to.
Like, he was the sharpshooter to get over the cliff.
But the angle wasn't really there,
or the cliff was a bit too fat for it to happen.
But Kudos to the clockwork.
That last fight around the defenders' gate,
just beautiful blink into the backlines to conk
the Windranger completely out of the position.
the main reason why they managed to kill her twice, right?
Like she got clogged over the gate.
That was his apology, Hookshot.
To make up for the previous fight.
He's like, guys, my badge, don't worry,
I can still really play Dota.
The lift back as well, of course,
this one was just a beauty.
How do you get away?
You're right next to the gate,
you're crippling fear as well by the Night Stalker.
Just a perfect position to have this teamfight
for parry vision, unlike the previous one.
That will certainly buy some space and time, and the Medusa did not die, that's the most important part about that fight.
They got an ancient granite golem by the will and beast master, but I swear this is one of those lineups where the 16% is 16, right?
16% 18 actually at this point, 18% max HP, it does truly feel like all that great considering the heroes.
It's something at least of course, it does make them a little bit tankier.
Oh, he actually did end up going back to the defusal plate on the Windranger.
Okay.
So at start it's the BKB, the Mjolnir, the Shuriken pike.
He didn't go for MKB though.
I guess you do have Mjolnir.
Right, so it's something already.
You have some true strike.
The Xanak is actually going to be the one that built MKB first, he's queuing
it up right now.
Despite how far behind they are, there was only one lane of barracks that was
taken. So there's still a lot of available farm for this Medusa to really start to stack
herself up.
They have to be careful though. A couple of these heroes did use buybacks. They've been
already slowed down quite a bit when it comes to their itemization. Your nice stalker is
still pretty much sitting on only a blink dagger. That's it. Blink dagger Midas doesn't
have a BKB yet.
Only buyback in the game is sitting on this Tiny. And no one can perhaps afford
to die.
I think he really likes his agonies, Q up.
It's not a great agonist scepter overall, currently,
but it gives him another way of playing this game,
considering there's a Venom answer on the other side.
With the agonies, maybe when the high ground defense comes,
he can just sit in the trees and use Wally on them.
It doesn't have to actually super commit in the backlines.
And in the event that Dukalus finds multiple heroes inside the Hookshot cogs,
there's a lot of damage in a concentrated area.
Nice 4, shoving up the squadron wave.
There will be a tourney to go and collect again, so another shot on the cart for Aurora.
They know about this from Parry Division, but unlikely they're gonna seep over to try
and fight this.
Defending it is not possible, but just having info that everyone is around the tournmenter
will allow Medusa to breathe easier, leave the security of the high ground, hit a couple
of creeps around.
Seems like Gaben is smiling upon Paravision.
Roshan is going to be fairly late, giving them a little bit more time to get their next
round of items.
They should have the BKB finished by then on the night's look at the release.
He's the only one really quick queuing it up even on their side, right?
To be fair, BKB for Paravision is a good item, but these heroes don't necessarily, besides the nice stalker,
don't necessarily always want to buy it, like Tiny, when he's a carry, sure.
When he's a mid lane, some games, not always.
And there is a roar that you're playing into, so a lot of control even through the BKB.
Makoto, going for a hurricane pike on this puck.
So, also going to be involved in the right-clicking department?
It's been a while since I've seen a pocket that didn't have Parasma.
So, basically this game, he went for a 4-staff a lot earlier, right?
And one of the reasons is the Night Stalker, and the whole itemization changes are due to the Night Stalker actually.
With the 4-staff, he can actually push himself out of the crippling fear and then instantly phase shift.
That buys him enough time, maybe his teammates can save him, maybe there's another 4-staff coming his way afterwards,
It's usually doesn't that SSS this insta kill of the puck
The smoke from parry vision didn't find anybody just yet, but now the Roars turn old squads understand the importance of the upcoming rush on
Who will be the one to make the initiation they will dangles a tonic out on the high ground here, but
It feels really strong Scotty butterfly Manta the Chrysalis also has a spell slinger at the neutral item
very tough customer. Yeah they tried using the shackle shot on her but
didn't really connect from the creep, he didn't latch.
Back to number one in the network department. I think if you want to kill
Medusa right now if you're Aurora you need to find the rubik. He's their
main save right like he bought a very early shard he's got ATR lens as well.
The range of the lift is actually pretty pretty significant so if you
go in Medusa with Aurora or anything the lift will save it and you can see he's
always sitting right on the edge of the range from the lift
nothing was found by either of these teams during the smoke so the stalemate
will continue Roshan up in 15 seconds but parry vision they do have multiple
tools to be able to scout us out especially the rocket flare so they
will know about this Aurora will not be able to just quickly cheese the Rosh
I think they will fight it most likely it is still dangerous leading your
high ground, but I think at this point they are kind of ready. Aghanim is on, tiny by the
way, can be completed if he opts to not have buyback of course.
They also pick up a Vladimir's offering on this Venom monster.
So a lot of small items coming together for Aurora and big ones as well. I believe
KB and Windranger is done.
Rosh is being taken, I have vision.
Rosh, you have the raw, but they're not really in position to contest this.
They're too far.
They'll be dealing with Roshan and Roshan bad now.
This was obviously a conscious choice, right?
It's not like they were kind of caught off guard.
They knew that Roshan was coming.
They opted to farm out top, to pressure the other lanes.
and to get some more farm on the Medusa. We're going for an MKB next so possibly
want to finish the MKB before the next high ground push.
Windranger is inside their triangle but not able to catch up.
Eastmaster and Poc on here so the catch is not there.
Finally we do get the Parasmo coming out of this Poc so we'll have the right click
damage as well as the defensive ability from the four-star.
Have you thought the impact of this halberd yet?
I mean, he hasn't used it, I believe. Not even once.
It just got completed. We'll see how it works, something like that.
There's like a pretty cool combo as well from Paravision, by the way.
That's the Strongest with Tree Volume.
Ah, the bonus physical damage.
The bonus physical damage exactly.
So if they managed to have this perfect high ground defense where cogs are choking them
out in one spot with the stone gaze, it's a lot of it's like 67, 70%, 67 exactly, all
means aside.
That's the bonus risk of damage that you're getting from stone gaze.
I don't know how they came up with the exact number.
Aurora now in Siege mode, shoving in all of these waves.
I mean, Satanic is like, I guess, you want me to just farm for free, I'll just hang
out here on the high ground, you know?
Going towards a Daedalus on this Medusa.
How do you enter this base on the side of Aurora?
It's never easy.
Like, whenever you're playing versus Medusa, this is one of those age-old questions,
like how do you break high ground versus a Medusa?
You need a hero that can initiate properly, but you're not playing only versus Meduza.
It's the same when you're playing versus Meduza Oracle, Meduza Shadow Demon.
In this case, Meduza Rubik, you know that the Meduza will be front-lining, but you cannot
initiate on her.
So you have to hope for some sort of a pick-off first.
At least they have the banner, so maybe they can play around that.
You know I'm looking at this nice local whose bottom of the coordinate was even below the hoodwink
Magnificent didn't buy Midas this game how far behind he'd be. Oh, this this would be a very very sad game for him
This Midas was actually a very smart option
You could argue maybe he won't be here if he
Didn't buy my maybe it would be a better position for him
But the way the lane starts it this needed to be done
The US has a small army waiting around the bottom, and they have equipped him with a banner,
so we'll see if they decide to actually mount this push.
No Seagragons until, unfortunately.
He has it in the inventory, so he's basically signaling that the push is about to start.
We do need to be careful about SSS, it does not have a BKB, so we can get to the
backlines. Crucially can maybe prevent Kaori from costing all of these really obnoxious spells.
Okay, Satanic. Got pushed forward a little bit there, but clears out the wave. Oh,
tossed back onto this knight who's Windranger. She's just dying so quickly. Look at the Medusa go!
Satanic ripping through Nightfall. They get the first kill, even some of the Tree Valley
optional. Primal Role is going to be there on Satanic, but immediately lift it back and
Let's say 9-4. At least get the focus fire out to bring down SSS.
He needs to retreat from this fight.
Lakoto, quote, inside the Avalanche-Toss combination.
Buyback. Stay alive for now. SSS, bought back.
Let's ready to use BKB ad-dolphinous, however.
With this buyback, I think they're ready to retreat.
Like, they don't have Aegis on the wind range really longer.
They're just falling back.
They can continue playing the map, perhaps wait for the next solo of spells,
wait for the BKBs to be up on Aurora, but that was it.
They managed, like, in the end, the trade from Aurora was good, even though it looked very, very scary at the beginning, right?
Like, the tossback on the Windranger was perfect, instantly blinked with the cogs, the cogs were in the right spot.
Unfortunately, they lose the Night Stalker, and that makes this whole push kind of worth it for Aurora.
Yeah, seven minutes where you can achieve a dieback from him.
Go on the other side, Medusa did fight that without the Daedalus being available.
The next time they try that, she'll actually be dealing somehow more damage than them.
And Nightfall was just dropping so quickly.
Shout out to Rory for buying that, Vlads!
Make sure that you could survive the second life after you got off the focus file.
Now Nightfall, let's have a disperser available.
This kind of a game right now is more about patience and discipline than anything else.
Like getting greedy and going for a big win usually does not work out.
We've all been there in this same scenario versus the Medusa on the high ground.
You have to poke, get the support, maybe an off laner, force the buyback and fallback.
That's the best that you can do.
Even with a 26k lead, it is very difficult to just super commit on the high ground and go all in.
So far from Aurora, I'm seeing exactly that.
Completing some items disperser is up on Windranger
Next rush could also be on their mind
Let's make today such a strange day of Lota in multiple games in this series and our prizes are what team Falcons
We saw a massive gold leads, but the game still feel relatively even
What the hell is going on with this? It's just like some of these teams with the nature of their heroes
They're able to hold
Of course in the falcon series it was a little bit different
they had like a monkey king monkey king not really the same level of medusa when it comes to
defending high ground so i would argue maybe this one is even even more difficult to
so as the gale is now you had to buy out completely for this there is no buyback for satanic
he doesn't i feel like he doesn't even have to save the buyback as long as he is not caught
outside of the base. Killing him inside is so hard next to the Rubik. We've talked about this
shard but I feel like it's not given enough space. It needs to be talked about even more.
This shard on Rubik is a very, very cheap save, like 1400 gold for a very long distance reposition.
Holding is now as a forced off as well, just a double down.
By the way, did Miro use Halberd that last time?
I actually didn't see it, I don't think so.
Like the Hobart range is pretty solid, but I know it suffered some changes, the item itself.
It's a different build up as well, you can't disassemble it anymore, but you can still dispel it.
And that's one of the reasons why Halbert just completely fell off the roof, like this item is never picked up.
When's the last time you saw Halbert?
I'd be lying to you if I said I remember. It's been that long.
In fact, I'd be lying to you if I told you this morning I knew Halbert was still in the game.
Fair enough, yeah. It's in that kind of a spot.
Like there aren't many items currently that are just completely forgotten. I feel like Hobbit is probably
Even Heart of Tarask is being bought every now and then
I'm actually looking through the item list to see what's even more forgotten than Hobbit
Yeah, it seems to be pretty much it
Some tips going to whatever tips for I'm going through the item list
I'm trying to find an item that is less bought and less common but yeah, there isn't anything
to have the short going the way of nightfall tormentor being taken so now we have access
to the gale force from the swim ranger 32 k lead 44 minutes in Roche still down for another
two minutes longspawn which does kind of benefit the night stalker being able to get his buyback
used to the ult on the night stalker
got the darkness but they don't follow him they're gonna smoke up immediately on the side of parry
vision i don't know if they want to just smoke to retreat or try to play offensively
there's a time they have to go bottom to deal with this black dragon too much damage tier
3 tower actually gets taken by WS. Nice little rat play by WS they weren't able to pressure
on their own so at least this way is possible. Why is there a random blood grenade on the ground?
I don't know, like someone just dropped it.
Multiple BKPs have emerged in the last couple minutes, we got one on the puck
and we got one on the tiny now as well.
So Tiny actually didn't complete the Daedalus, like I was looking at the small crit, like
he had queued up the Daedalus, he still has it queued up, but okay, helps to go for a BKB
instead.
This makes me feel like they are willing to actually leave the comfort of their base,
getting a couple of extra defensive items, might allow them to do so.
rush is up in about 40 seconds.
I mean, Medusa is pretty much capped out now, right?
She can replace the boots, I suppose, but you can't stay in the base forever.
At some point, you do have to play the map.
I would argue you can stay for as long as you want to.
First BKV usage of no one will protect him from the dream quell of Makoto.
They get the 25 talents, so it's not the cost iron guarantee of staying alive that it used
to be.
I don't like BKB.
Nightfall has satanic now, so he's also, the carries I kept out.
They're like, as far as they're realistically going to get.
I think there's a couple of Faggot centers, maybe shards that they can still go for,
But more or less, yes, there is very little room to improve.
Or I will explain the lack of DKB or no one to go straight into the ocean pit, pick up the Aegis, all the goodies that come along with it.
Yep, so we're basically back to the same state we were in 10 minutes ago when they were pushing the high ground on the bot lane.
pretty much the idea is the same put the banner down and try to execute this
fight properly I feel that for Aurora to have a successful fight you need to find
Rubik he does actually he does have buyback 200 gold is surplus even if he
does die they can still manage to save the Medusa after with his buyback
We also got link daggers so we can sit even further back in order to wait and ensure that the Medusa survives.
Akuto just goes scout some vision on the high ground, taking the base for Nightfall to try and go in,
but Nightfall gets tossed back. Unfortunately the primal roar goes out onto the Medusa.
They can't kill Nightfall just yet. Galeforce used to push these heroes back as Aurora just tried to escape the base.
The creep army is managing to take down the buildings. The melee racks will drop.
So they don't get any kills here, but they do get what they came for.
That was really difficult, but it was successful at the end.
They do take down the site.
Of course, when it comes to resources, Nightfall doesn't have to go base.
He's got Satanic to work with, so he'll heal back up in a second.
Range racks left remaining on the bot lane.
So we're looking for somebody outside the map with the Nightstalker and the timing.
Sadly, they can't find him.
We're gonna go for the wraparound play here.
9-4, he's gonna show middle, do they jump in big scouts?
Avalanche talk with the tree volley, do they have the damage to kill him? No, not just yet.
9-4 able to get away from this one.
Ducalus a dog shot though, goes back towards Mira.
Mira's forced to scurry away through the trees.
9-4 with the BKB rushing forward, they get the primal roar out, but Static is still standing strong.
Triple S would be the one that dies with the illusions and the right click damage.
Able to rip through Kaori and take the first life from 9-4.
Nightfall, they get pushed back with the power card.
He's already used DKB. He doesn't have it available again.
He'll steal away the Shackle Shot. He jumps forward with Nightfall.
Shackle onto the Wind Ranger. There's going to be a Hextal Medusa
being prevented from throwing in the right-click damage.
She can't get to Nightfall. Nightfall turns and rips through Ducales.
There's going to be multiple heroes caught in the Dream Quail now.
Can they get out of here? Makoto. Just happy to have stolen out no one.
Buyback on 9 Claws. We've only lost this Chaiori throughout this entire endeavor.
It looked much scarier for Aurora, right? Like with the Medusa and the amount of damage,
and the fact that Windranger actually didn't have a BKB after resurrecting.
I thought that was a sure kill, but they did a pretty good job at just controlling everyone else
on the other course, like the puck and the Beastmasters.
A clockwork, of course, was just immediately deleted from the game
he's bringing the most control for Paravision at this point.
So yeah, sure, they get the Aegis and they get a kill,
but it was a huge investment from Paravision.
Buyback on triple S, on nine class, on the Coloss.
Mira did use Halbert in that fight.
He did, instantly, and I believe it instantly got Mantat.
But he used it.
He used it.
It's something, you know, every little bit helps like he's got man,
he's got Halbert, then after he can use the hex as well.
The range is pretty significant on both titans, so he can actually use it to own the Medusa.
Usually, that's a death sentence. Like if you get in the range as a support at this point,
is Rapier up by the way, or you opted not to go for Rapier on the Medusa, okay?
Yeah, I went just first, so now has multiple ways to get you to the Harbour.
buybacks not available for anybody except tiny and the Medusa almost everyone
on Aurora does have theirs available and Kari will pick up his buyback after
finishing off this ancient camp. Hagen himself to run the Vennelmanster as well
is pretty peculiar.
Okay, a force. Hex on the high ground, looking towards Tiny.
A follow-up though from the rest of Aurora.
Drops you don't. Wow, that's a lot of damage.
Actually, wait, he's taking so low.
He ate the Noxious Plague.
Nearly killed him.
Thank God Mira was there, but Nightfall, look at the damage he's taking from this Medusa.
Medusa does get disarmed.
They need someone to chase forward.
No one goes through Avalanche.
They can bring down Nightfall and they do.
Getting the right clicks out of him.
Now they've got their heads back onto the Medusa.
Stolen Primal Role goes into WS as Zatanic trying to buy space right now,
upping the stone gaze.
Nicola doesn't care though.
BKB activated, jumps to the backline of the fight, kills Ducales.
The shackles are out from Zatanic.
But Nynclas trying to lift him back and keep him alive.
Nynclas though, he can't do it again.
But Zatanic is losing all of his mana, losing his life.
The Medusa finally falls.
Bi-Bak is there for her.
So both carry players have bought back.
Both of them only have one life to play with.
A super heavy commitment from both sides, right?
Like you said, Windranger on one, Medusa on the other.
That lift was almost perfect to save Saitanik,
but it didn't push him over the gale force.
You saw that, he was just on the edge of the gale force,
and because of that, he couldn't reach the high ground,
gets bushwhacked and taken down.
Sometimes it's just like, it takes so little to save your core.
Gale force was used again.
The users are still standing aground.
The Carlos is coming back.
There will be a 5v5 with her again.
And Aurora don't actually want to take a fair fight, so they start backing up.
Yeah, I think this is extremely dangerous without the BKB on Windranger, without the buyback and BKB pushing onto the high ground.
You saw how quickly they could eliminate the Windranger.
I feel like at this point, even through her BKB with the amount of physical damage that they've got, they can do it.
I just got an agonimceptor in this monster now, so trying to make sure they have that
little bit of extra oomph in the middle of the fight.
He's got everything, there's very little that he can purchase now to improve his build,
maybe an upgraded blink dagger, and that's about it.
Agonimceptor by the way queued up by Nightfall, usually he buys this item a little bit
earlier, but actually he buy it for me, he can buy it, Nightfall does it.
Nightfall skips it.
Okay, we are 53 minutes in, it's a 48k lead.
Game is still even.
50,000 Golden Balls.
Well, not even, but it's closer than it should be.
Sort of even, yeah.
Much closer than it should be.
Wouldn't call it necessarily.
Even, this is an even game for a Medusa.
Or an expected game.
There's only two outcomes with the Medusa.
The first one is you're winning your lanes,
taking first rush and finching the game 25 minutes in with the first item like you get
Butterfly Man time the game is over and this is the second scenario where you do badly in the
lanes but you still cannot lose because you're one of the sickest carries in the game when it comes
to defending the high ground. She bought out a BKB as well so we have 9 second BKB for the next
X5 plus the Tenek.
They have...
35, right? Actually, wait, 20% magic resist reduction from Agoninceptor on Venomancer.
Then you get 25%... No, it used to be 25%. Now it's 20% increased Spellamp from Hoodwing Shard.
That's what happened to the Tiny earlier, by the way.
And it can happen to any of these heroes.
just the two supports on Aurora are all into damage on the other side the contrast is
They're all in area control and saves and right now like
It kind of works for both themes
He does come down to execution. Can we actually get the damage numbers? I want to see what it looks like across this game
I'm gonna see the Medusa's numbers
Okay
A lot on the Venos, not as much as I thought it would be, honestly.
No, it's equally split. Roar?
The Carlos is getting caught with the Roar, shot through with the Sharpshooter, no buyback.
They're TPing it.
They're actually just gonna TP in onto the outpost, they wanna exploit this timing.
Satanic trying to get away, Satanic's been scouted!
Can they catch up to him? He's trying, it doesn't have to be KB in his inventory.
Should get lifted back, unfortunately, he does get to the Defender's Gate before the rest of the Roar are alive,
so they won't be able to utilize that gene well.
Mikoto though still wants to do something.
Get Primal Roar for his efforts.
Stolen by 9 class.
They're still too passive.
When it comes to high ground push, they understand that
maybe there's no buyback, maybe there is a buyback,
but in any case, pressuring the high ground
is so difficult, even with the hero down.
They have cheese, but once again,
the storyline, the script is the same.
Wait for the next stages, wait for the next banner.
The thing is, we might be here for a while.
It's not only about the banner.
You take the banner and it should assure that you take the raxes, right?
Like you'll get mega creeps.
But it's Medusa.
They will defend megas.
You have to take down the heroes as well.
Just picked up an octarene core on Mira.
Dilrora is so rich right now.
Just look at the inventories.
Axe, Bland, Solarcrests, 4-star von Benno, Octareen, Hex, Aetherlands, Halbert on a hoodwink.
All the cores completely maxed out.
Hot there.
Now they have an Aegis as well to play with.
Meantime, poor old triple S still stuck in poverty.
No, he's an ugly one.
That's the Midas actually. He could buy out and get himself the nullifier as well, if he wanted to.
but uh he's not by nullified that's what he's buying I see I see it actually is
buying a halberd oh man the return of halberd gaming who knew that you might
get two of them in the same game
what he has to do with this courier though his own outpost is unsafe he's
sending it to the other side of the map but Mira Mira Mira found it Mira got the courier
no halberd for you buddy they are getting a hex on the other side so it's
something? Who's hex is that by the way? Who's buying it? One of the sports or...
I don't know. X? Okay.
I'm just a Tannick. Where should I go and connect?
Diana has been dropped down. And now Primal Role WS wants to go straight towards the Medusa.
With the Focus Fire of Nightfall and the Shackletrot they might have a
Wind Waker though will save her for the time being.
She gets back, she's trying to survive, she pops the stone gaze.
Do they have enough to kill her? Not just yet, she'll make it to the fountain.
So she will heal up.
Aurora couldn't get the kill onto her.
Eucarlas sacrificed himself, but would gladly buy back.
So now they want to re-engage.
That looks like a Lotus fed to her, right?
That's the last second underneath the fountain.
Kind of like a great load of something there,
to get a beautiful hookshot directly onto Kaori.
Venomons is down. We're gonna be forced to buy back.
Carlos though will die back for this satanic. Just trying to clean up the show shots that you'll do so roar
They still get naked the war went out onto the Medusa. There's the focus fire
They want to get the damage out on top of it, but it's not enough just yet satanic
Still able to get back in lose rubik and they lose the nice poker both of them have to fight back
This vkb protecting satanic a little while longer night loss you live a lift into the fountain allowing satanic to stay alive
Healing up right now, Mikoto is going to be able to finish off no one and that is a dieback on the tiny Gigi is called.
Satanic doesn't die, but the base is destroyed. Aurora are in to the upper bracket fight.
I was wrong when I said they had to kill all the heroes, they didn't have to kill all of them, just most of them.
Enforcement that was in to the fountain to finally manage to close this one out 59 minutes in with the 60k lead.
lead for Aurora. How many times do you see this kind of an advantage? Very rarely do you
see this kind of advantage and very rarely are we blessed with this kind of game. Shiva
talk to me about what we can expect from the rest of the tournament from Aurora.
Well, it's a 60 game, only in 60 minutes. I mean, it was pretty crazy that Paravis
was able to hold as long as they did credits to them for trying to make the best of
it. But at the end of the day, K.P. was right. He said, we are going to snowball. Snowballing,
they just never really stopped.
We'd look at the highlights. It's 26 minutes into the game. 15,000 gold lead ages on the
windranger. Like, you couldn't ask for a better early game, right? Kaori on his Venom
Master, with a breakdown of the saveflame, you know, threatening the offflame of P-Version.
And then the Beastmaster, he did everything you want him to do in the early game.
Yeah, just a very clean game, a very good game for Aurora, Nightfall's death at the top
test.
Yeah, the Cogs, the Cogs.
The Dukie, Dukie Cogs, they were too good, but Nightfall always gets himself in this
type of situation where something funny needs to happen, otherwise the game is not entertaining
enough.
Good game, I gotta say that I'm not sold out on the Nightstalker, like when I first
read the change notes I was like, this is good, but it doesn't seem to drive
Well, he got ruined completely forced to buy hands of Midas as well. You're basically playing 4v5
Maybe even 3v5 because Medusa is not participating at these early fights at all and I'm looking at the damage numbers as well
triple S
She ever give me a number. What do you think how much damage night soccer did in this game in a 60 minute game? Yes
He's gonna be at least a 15k
And these are big numbers in this racket. I might lower it down. Alright 10k. No, it's
At least two nightful arses from game one
It's 8.7 that's two nightful arses from game one
We'll take it. We'll take it. Yeah, that's that's not but is he supposed to be really damn clear isn't he supposed to be like
giving control
Yeah, he's meant to play through his off lane
Safe lane doesn't crumble as quickly and then you can at least make moves.
The problem for P-Vision was like the safe lane and the Medusa just kept dying, kept getting pressured.
There was no safe lane to even consider and then it's like well you're gonna buy Midas.
What's he gonna do? Buy Blank and try and help a under-leveled entire lineup.
So I think they just had really good mode sacrifice and the net worth right?
Was he like 1700 net worth?
Yep.
Kind of like post-blading phase like once it broke down around minute 5-6.
It was just awkward across the board like in commendable attempt of a comeback
But for Aurora based on how well they played they did kind of bake in multiple insurances to their lineup like always getting the ages
Ensuring that even if they did die to the satanic with you so once it was like whatever
You know with 48 kills to 16 unless we die back on nightfall and the coda and WS
That's when maybe they can lose even had like here one tower in the mid lane
So you have to go to like all tattoos. Yeah, the salient buildings to try to end the game
Which I don't think they would even have enough at that point
But yeah mirror on hood wink like I think this was half an hour ago where he was calling for aggressive GG
I mean to be fair and maybe they should have I mean he asked for the GG and then the game got quite difficult after
So of course, you know, sometimes you can get carried away in the moment
Yeah, a little bit, but WS, an incredible form that's on the Beastmaster, and you know, exactly how, as you already mentioned,
through the interview with Beastmaster, when you put it in the offlane, you are meant to be the conductor of the game.
You don't put Beastmaster in offlane just to sit back and watch your team farm.
You need to, you know, just lead your team the entire time.
Yeah, and Simon, who was also helping the team the entire time, was of course the position 5 in Kaori,
who is right now having his winters interview with Slacks.
Thank you so much, Eever. Yes, I am here. Congratulations on that one.
However, I have to ask a question here. 60k ahead.
And you guys are having trouble ending that game. Why was it so hard?
You guys were ahead the whole game.
I don't know. Maybe we're just too scared to throw this game
because we're an important game, so we have to play secure.
All right. Well, you can't say on the interview that you guys were scared.
You have to say we were too smart to end the game.
You know we were too high level am I right? I mean you guys are big brains on that team
Maybe maybe okay. All right. Well, that's the response that very well
There's been allegations that you are a man that can only play Phoenix and Warlock
We did see those but Venom answer in that game. There is more to you the meets the eye. Am I right?
I mean I can play only what I can fix. Okay, great. Thank you this interview was going fantastically for me
is very good. I did want to ask you about your opponents there. You've had a lot of experience
against this team. Is it a team that you like playing against? Is it a team that you dread
playing against? What's the vibe of them as they walk by? Make sure that you really ramp them up
there. I mean, they're a really good team after the patch. They are really good. Yeah,
because they have like good ideas like new heroes. So yeah, it's just hard to play against them.
That was a big game. $60,000 I believe on the line if you guys won that one. So congratulations.
Are you scared for your next game though? Alright, you said you had fear in this one.
Is the fear dead? How do you make sure that you're not afraid in these games and you're
just a badass conquering pause vibe? I mean I wasn't afraid. There we go! I just knew
we like fucked up first game with draft and like we can come back. Okay so in these
interviews you don't want to say that you fucked up there you gotta say you
strategically fed you strategically morph them into a weak position and then
you crushed them am I right yeah fantastic actually we're really learning a
lot here okay final questions for you I want to know about the team comms in
that game we got a chance to listen to you guys and there was some why won't
they give up give up guys already while you're hitting the racks 30 minutes
ago can we talk about that did you guys feel like that game was done a
a long time ago.
Yeah, it's like when we took like mid-tracks, I believe,
like it felt like game over,
but they kinda like using bias, trying to like death,
like taking lotuses on size to feed Medusa money.
And it's like, it's just risky to like commit
if you like do something wrong,
we can still like lose this game
because Medusa can win anything.
Absolutely, well, you were too smart,
you were too strategic feeding,
and you were too good to lose this one.
Any fans out there to the Kairi fans,
the lovers, everyone that knows you,
what would you like to say to them?
This is the most important part of the interview.
Thank you for support.
I appreciate it.
That's it!
He nailed it!
That's all you need to do.
Thank you so much for a great interview, my man.
Can't wait to see you guys again.
Absolutely fantastic.
Throw it back to the panel
for some more educational services.
Well, you gotta respect the love of the people.
and Medusa as well.
You got to respect Medusa if you're trying to go high ground, you know, half an hour extra
farming, definitely will do so and you got to just, you know, give your team the time
they need to also feel comfortable.
I think, I think K-Ori though, he seemed pretty comfortable with this.
He seemed pretty relaxed and happy about this one.
Yeah, you can tell from like game one, they said draft, game two and three, it's
like, just have a bit of draft.
Even like the confidence in the game, during game two, the pause, like, they were
all chatting, like, you've lost this game.
We unpause we win it happened game three. They're taking mid racks
Same logic. Why aren't you calling GG guys? Yeah
So it's like I feel like they have that kind of confidence and you know raw haven't yet won the two-on tournament
They got a second place or a color did
Yeah, but house this one
Yeah, but we're talking about the old here. She was okay, but sure okay. I always done it
He's good the rest aren't yet
Maybe this time around they can all get good and win this tournament because they're looking to be in very very good form
Yeah, I gotta agree. They look good. Before this, I would probably give advantage to Paravision,
but it seems like they kind of misplayed, maybe had a bit of a draft issue. Game number two in this one.
That's the game. Yeah. Also, I just got to say, Makoto, game number two, completely free game.
Game number three, they pick every single possible counter. He still ends the game with the
same amount of that's only one that through his name in both of these games
that he played in park. Yeah I mean that seems to be something that tomorrow
the team that they're facing against might have to be taking into
consideration but who are they facing tomorrow we don't know that yet because
there's still one more best of three to be played. That's right we're moving
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It's Bed Boom vs Team Liquid here for PJ Wallachia Season 8, and these two teams, well, they
know each other through and through, I believe, Lacoste.
Yeah, that is correct, Shiver. Absolutely. And yeah, this is going to be a banger of a series, because the Bibbidi-Babbidi team, or should we call them the Battle Bots, they're in a good form. They look very good.
After seeing them in the group stage, probably the cleanest team that you've seen so far. Not sure what the question was, because I zoned out, but we did.
I was trying really hard to find something that is best and then something with the B that requires on like something because you know they are doing very well so they're in the best form but obviously forms in the B.
Backstreet boys are back because they're in the good form. Yeah, the boys are back.
They're in the great form. I was saying Lacoste that they have played a lot of games against each other.
They did. That is true. She were as well. I never doubt you in 2026 things are looking
good for bad boom team. They did at least up until the lock here season eight, which
was a couple of days ago and then team liquid managed to beat them. But every single time
so far this year, it looked very good for bad boom team. But we go back to like even
2025 that boom team, they were dismantling team liquid. Like at one point, team liquid
It was like, ah, nobody beats us eight times in a row.
Then they finally won a series, but they know each other inside
and out.
Liquid has pretty much just had BB's number throughout, of course.
Again, like Nicole mentioned, BB finally overcoming it in season eight.
So we'll have to see.
I feel like they are just in, like you mentioned, just in and on another level
right now, the qualifier that we saw prior to Valhalla here, they look kind of lost.
They went to the lower bracket.
I think they lost to like cheeky, breeky, random stack in the upper bracket.
What a great name.
great name. But then after that they were like, wait a second, why are we here? And then they played
every game since, every series since, and it felt like they have a point to prove.
Yeah, and for Red Boom as well, they have, and we say it every time we see them play,
but of course they very much have their own identity and their own style.
They definitely do. They are bringing in new ideas with the draft, and also I wanted to
point out the way that they've been like playing with the certain heroes. They're pretty much the
team that kind of invented Silencer and Dawnbreaker like a year or two ago and Dawnbreaker was like
OP with the Agonyms sifter and if you look at when they played against Liquid they were the ones that
they were playing against Lycan, Silencer, but they have the double global presence. They have
the heroes that they feel kind of comfortable playing around Silencer, somebody that they
they can hug, so Lycan is not going to be able to do as much.
And then you see them picking Lycan against the silencer
yesterday on Spirit, and we saw silencer suffering.
Suffer in silence, dying to voles,
and Miero had a really, really good performance on that hero.
Yeah, I feel like this BB just has every pick,
feels like it has purpose.
Like, they'll make it, and then it's like,
ah, then it'll come over with another piece.
Like, every piece just goes into a bigger puzzle,
and that is why they are so dominant.
Yeah, same time on your screen just now,
it is a key. This is team liquid with the stand in making a top six here with a key replacing boxy for this well, okay. And it has been working out.
Very well, little bit rocky at the start, some might say, and that was also at the start when they faced that boom, but potentially now
after so many more games, it might be looking entirely different.
Of course, I feel like they are giving Aiki the freedom.
I think that is always respect to Liquid.
Whenever they have a stand-in, they basically ask the player,
what would you like to do?
How do you want to integrate into our team?
And then they allow the player to shine where possible.
And I think as the tournaments progress,
we are seeing Aiki just get that confidence, the aggression we see.
And of course, I think, laning with Ace,
you are going to see a little bit of discomfort,
I think, earlier in the tournament.
At least we have some stats to kind of show that.
I feel in regards to just generally the net worth
that we see from the course.
You know, BB, I think they are just incredible in how they create their economy, Kiritich at top, at the 10 minute mark with 4500 net worth.
I mainly want to look towards kind of the bottom half of the net worth comparing, you know, Ace to Miro.
I feel like BB, every pick they have is, we will win our lanes, we're liquid.
Sometimes they have to sacrifice players in the draft, through Ekki's rotation or something.
And Ace at the moment is falling down the pecking order of the net worth of player that we often see as like the greedy offlane.
He isn't really kind of reflecting that at the moment, but that's because they're making Echie feel as comfortable as possible
I think the reason why Kiritich is getting all of that farm is because his laning supports are like super strong
They're focusing heavily on the lanes you see crystal maiden, wyvern, silencer
Like even Lich and Bane, these are extremely strong position 5s that you're having trouble trading with as a position 4
Like if you look at equis heroes, he's been playing, you know, he's playing his casual battle that he didn't show yet
But Rubik couldn't playing the strong heroes, but what Katowomie is bringing. He's like you cannot trade pretty much saying that
Yeah, it kind of feels though the way you guys are talking about these teams is the the strength from Bethlehem is a lot in the aggression
And maybe then therefore early game
whereas the strength from Liquid comes from the playing together mostly which
normally happens more around 10 to 15 10 to 20 which has me maybe a little bit
worried for the laning stage of Liquid for this upcoming game is that is that a
fair assessment? I think it's hero-dependent. Liquid are very very happy to make these
moves between Mikkei on the Windranger, power-shotting into the enemy
triangle to get a clutch kill, naturally twin gate. I just saw that the
comparison is BB supports will play strong lanes, ensure the farm and go fight
Both liquid it's more like how do they utilize the TPs and the kind of the map move as like a majority?
So I think you are right in that regard a comparison maybe a little bit earlier in the time there
Yeah, I think the plus one situation from the off lane is what makes the difference because ace
Usually doesn't tend to show up in these earlier fights compared to Miero
Who is like playing like and sending his fault to the other lanes whether he's coming to the mid lane when he's playing
Mars whether he's playing axe making a rotation he's playing on the other side of the map creeps keeping
So there's always something that he's doing on the map. I think for a good reason ATF talks about him as being like the top three offlaners
because Miro every single time like the guy just performs maybe last the eye wasn't like his best performance
But everything else is top-notch. I'm so afraid if I'm looking at BV's drafts
Like the four of the offline beasts are like an enigma probably might make a return at some point for him
his acts as well like these are all the heroes that kind of I think popularized his play for the entire total community
And you can make a case for them all being you know
Pretty good right now in 7.41
Yeah, pretty solid. We are in the draft here as well Rubik versus Phoenix is the trade
Which seems pretty good on both sides
I was wondering if there's anything left in the pool in terms of bands that we should be taking into account
I've seen a lot of Ios get that but I don't know if either of these two teams are really IO teams
Echie does play. Yeah, so Liquid more more so. I mean Boxy hasn't really played too much IO as of recently in the couple last couple years
But we're adding Echie to the roster that like we can we can play it a couple if we want to
We'll see which route they are gonna decide to take because we saw Phoenix in the previous series Phoenix plus keeper of the light
It looked very good in game number one for paravision
You did mention that IO as well if you have like double healing support
You can out sustain so much damage that people are putting in relatively early on.
But also seeing Betbum team picking up Rubik, knowing that there is potentially an underroar coming out.
So just blocking that. This is something that Liquid really enjoys to play.
And instead they are going to be using this opportunity, removing Silencer, while they have Phoenix
and also picking Dawnbreaker, which is a counter.
You hear that ulti, you just pop that ulti and stop it.
Double value for sure. Very good ban there.
I mean, also don't mind the dawn breaker because Ace will get to play his game.
He can be really aggressive on the lane as well, depending on what BB picks here.
Ekky can find the 4 position to give kill threat for the dawn breaker.
I'll take two spirts back now. There's a lifestealer.
Might not really be killing the lifestealer. This lane is a bit harder.
You're pretty much playing on has he used rage if he has.
You can maybe go for the kill if he hasn't.
Then you are pretty much just aggroing the creep wave back.
So I like the instant reaction there from BB.
But is there a world where this Dawnbreaker is like a 4 or 5?
Yeah, it's edge-double. It's a relatively good support, but I could also see them maybe picking up something like a Tusk to have a BKB piercing tool.
Lanes well with the Dawnbreaker. Also love the combo between Phoenix and Dawnbreaker because Phoenix Egg turns him into daytime.
And with the recent changes to Dawnbreaker's innate ability, you get that max damage straight away, so you will be pumping out the damage.
Yep, it's a lane that you just need to be careful where if dawn is the offline
Lich if you try to step up and be you know, I'm gonna do a little bit damage you just die
Well at least you can gaze him out of the
Whoop-de-doop. Yeah, whoop-de-doop will get potentially punished by the
Sinister gaze. Yeah
Was it Starbreaker something? Yeah
Yeah
Ace hasn't played downbreaker yet this this will I hear will be your first one if he does take it
I played in the qualifiers. I was trying to remember like why it was memorable to me, but okay. Yeah, he went for like armlet into like
BKB AC but he wasn't trying to be some orca. He was like, I am going yeah, right clicker. I'm this is the belt that might squeeze in depending on the game
I'm okay. They don't have BKB piercing tools. I'm okay with him picking up the early orchid to try to deal with the lice dealer
So you always have a kill threat and that's gonna be another hero that we mentioned where you have
BKB piercing ability against the lifestealer that you can follow it up with the dawn breaker as well
So you always have some kind of a play and also double even triple saving from team liquid
Yeah
I mean this is my liquid if they really want to keep Nisha in the draft you pick like the wind ranger here sure
There's gonna be a potential offline to counter you
But the idea of like having the combinations making sure life is it it's hard to now kill because tasks protect the dawn
You then have the evasion from the carry
It just complicates the lifestealer, the game progresses, and even when the lifestealer commits during the rage...
Oh wow, that's an interesting one.
...they're into lifestealing.
Exactly, that is... I mean, the lifestealer is good because you get to just constantly get on top of the Tiny.
You don't care about him hitting you, because of course you eventually get Agnes jumping inside.
But maybe if Liquid are going to put the Tiny into the carry roll, they like the fact that Solar Guardian and Wars Punch is enough to sway the matchup back around.
At least, that could be one consideration.
Of course, the simplest look, Tiny is a flex here between Mid and Kari,
Nisha and Mikke will happily play it,
so they didn't want to kind of push their draft in a very specific direction,
that the one ranger that I suggested would have done,
it would have given a BB kind of a free pick on 18.
So on 18 normally also we see a lot of mids being focused,
and Puck is still in the pool?
Puck, Ember, like even Queen of Pain, it feels nice.
I would maybe lean towards more Queen of Pain and Ember,
compared to puck even though like we've seen in the previous game it doesn't matter like this was even
mid tiny into puck into night stalker and he still died only one time so the hero again
feels strong especially with the atomization that he did go for picking up an early four staff to
push himself out of the trouble you just have to consider the fact that your your heroes
need items to do damage right like rubik and lich will amp up any core to go in but life
so they need to farm like an amulet into an entire radiance. If you do pick a puck,
you throw it on a coil. If your support's not getting good spells out, then they might just
be able to brush it off, right? There is a lot of sustain that Liquid has between solo
Guardian and Sunray, even the snowball save. And that's why BV, they opt to go for a bit more of
just early game damage what the AMBA provides. You can even think about vessel in this game
potential. Oh yeah, absolutely. Love that. You're playing against Tiny who has like throughout
the game of 4 or 5,000 HP at the later stages of the game. But I like what the BB is doing in terms of
damage reduction. You have this Ember Spirit Shield. You have Mage Slayer Buyer from the mid lane.
You have Rubik's Fade Bolt, reducing the damage both physical and magical. And you also have
Frost Shield on top of that. So pretty much every single hero, like you have Rage, gives you
debuff immunity. So it gives you extra bit of a damage reduction from spells on top of that.
It does feel like the damage that they're going to be outputting is going to get heavily
reduced. You know Timbersaw is a bad hero when, like, BV needs an offlaner and we're
not even thinking about it for, look at all Liquid's heroes, right? It's just kind of,
it's just chill.
Ooh. What about some... How about asking maybe some like, undying that could come
by offlaner and dying for Bed Boom Team?
Okay, I'll be honest with you, I looked at my notes and went undying, Timbersaw,
ehh, ehh, and then I joked about Timber.
Because you're playing against Tiny, like you're playing against a lot of strength heroes.
I want that little bit of toxicity, the idea of like, deal with me and then suddenly Life Stealer and Enbukko,
thank you so much for like, eating 10 minutes of the game up, we actually got to our items to then take over the tempo.
I just want Mirror to be a bit more of a nuisance against Liquid.
If you allow them to just sit back and hit their creeps then they will have the layering
of punch and save and sustain and all that to take the fight.
I just hope for our sake this is not a stompy game.
The drafts don't look too stompy either way, it really feels like a battle of execution
between the lineups.
They could just double-burden two offlaners to just hold down the line, enabling those
items, the tide with the axe rush and the gush, undernova firestorm, good waves just
to keep waves shoved out.
If they want to reduce the damage even more, they could just go with some like Kunkka,
this is something that he plays.
It's not like the best game for it, but they might need extra bit of a catch.
That's why I'm thinking maybe something from the offlane, because I did say undying.
It's a good pick, but it doesn't give them too much lockdown.
Lyser gives you nothing, so it needs to be two supports.
You also don't have DKB piercing tool.
Eventually it's going to come down to that, but slightly less control compared to...
Oh, they do go to the...
Nice.
It's liquid.
Okay, so why...
Like, is it...
Then, because obviously the win rate is also not really there...
Is it going to be good this game?
Do we feel like all the bad things we said?
I mean, it's the same thinking we did mention Undying, which steals the strength.
This one does the same thing, has a bit of a more explosive damage.
And again, damage reduction, stacking, and giving Timbersaw Aghanim a step to later on.
He's going to feel nice.
Yeah, the...
Or the minions are like, oh, okay, that's what you're suggesting.
All right, I see it.
I mean, it's a good co-op game.
Like, you're playing against Ember, Timber.
Unless they can find a better overall carry pick, I feel like QWAP feels really nice against all of these heroes.
Going back to the timber though, naturally we'll itemize and be annoying.
I think the reason why I wasn't too excited to talk about it is just other players have made the hero feel squishy
and not able to kind of step up into aggression.
And Liquid, they have ways to kill them through Sunray, through Tag Team, plus you know Tiny or even Dawnbreaker
in the first phase of the game. If you bring the right numbers, Timber will die.
If you don't bring the right numbers, you don't respect him, he can do it, and they do just hit the Queen of Pain.
It's still good of a Queen of Pain game to skip on. You're playing against like Timberlice Dealer, Goodlane in the midlane as well.
Just unlimited scaling coming out from this hero. We said slightly limited lockdown on BedBoom Team.
And I think Queen of Pain in this meta with itemization, with the Bloodstone, it just feels so nice.
It's been a while since we had a random pick or a misclick in the draft, but it was great.
We need Insania back on the team.
There should be like a bigger sound for it, you know, in-game when it randoms a pick or
a back.
Yeah.
We need to have like a good sound.
That makes it like real obvious.
Yeah.
That's true.
Maybe the Queen of Pain was around, they just got lucky.
Really lucky.
Yeah.
Damn.
Do you feel like there's a clear favorite winner out of these two drafts?
I like look-ups a lot, I think, even though I want to see the match-up again.
We've seen it a couple of times throughout the tournament.
This life stealer, Tiny, as well.
There is a ways of playing around it, where you're taking out the supports, where you
are, like you have a lot of saves.
They have multiple ways of resetting the fight, slightly limited lockdown on the
bit-boom team, as we said.
And a lot of PKB piercing tools are other ways to reset the fight on side of Liquid
if they don't feel like fighting.
a good amount of explosive damage with the timber pick.
The main thing is I feel like BB, they have the supports that can rotate to mid lane, so
if Nisha ever steps up, gets hit by chains and then follow-ups, you'll just die.
And if Nisha then has a quiet game, I could see Liquid feeling lost on the map, Tiny
needing to farm like an entire shadow blade, Dawn always waiting for the solar guardian.
So I think it's for BB to try and break as much as possible in the early game.
Yeah.
BB, break as much as early game?
I just like both drafts.
I feel like we actually are going to get a real competitive
Dota game unlike the Stumpy Fest of the last best of three we had.
OK, well, I think I can get behind that.
I think we want just a competitive game one of the series.
There's one person who would like a Stumpy game in favor of team Liquid.
Of course, it's coach Blitz, who's now standing by with slacks.
Absolutely, Sheeber.
We are using our big brains for this interview.
Coach Blitz, five wins in a row on save.
You cannot tell me that you are going to let this rubic go
and be the big six breaker.
How could you let them?
How much did you fuck up dude?
I mean, they win with a lot of heroes, they're probably like the best team at this event right now, so it's tough to ban everything.
I get four bans, what do you want from me?
A ban rubik, that's what I want from you.
But then they'll get pango, which I think they're like 4-0 with this event too, or like they'll get B's master, which they're like 4-0 with this event.
Oh my god, that does sound pretty rough.
Well that's okay, I want to talk to you about your guys' draft.
You guys have your own very good style that I think that you guys play.
You're playing your own heroes. You're not really caring about the meta too much. In my opinion, you're setting the meta.
What's the special secret sauce in Team Liquid that make you guys play like you play?
I think you just have to kind of like what you do. You do the things that you do. You don't think about it too much.
And yeah, you just have to kind of believe in your own ideas sometimes.
I believe in you. In an interview in 2022, you said that all timber players should be put onto an island and they should burn that island. Is that still true here today?
I do not recall saying that but I guess if you said it I probably did so you know I like Miro
he's a nice guy but if I said it I must have said it then yeah I guess all right thank you so much
Blitz let's go ahead and party out of here and go watch the game over to you our casters
thank you very much slacks we are here for another game to determine an entrance into the
upper bracket final team liquid versus bet boom team when these two squads faced off in the
the group stages, Betboom did come away with the 2-0 victory. Big Liz, you're looking at this draft,
does Liquid have the potential here to turn that around? They do, they do. I feel like their
late game potential is definitely there. They have a couple of patch favorites. When it comes to
heroes, you have the Queen of Pain with an eventual agonist bloodstone, this tiny with
the Silver Edge Harpoon, of course, just a lot of things that can go their way. But for that
to happen, they have to have a decent laning stage. And Bed Boom, like we talked about it in the
previous series that they played, their insanely strong top lane, Kiritich, in the laning stage.
That was almost a cost of curse, that was going to be our new Kiritich.
Still playing really high up here. He actually does have a tango to go back with, Kata only
is the one that's almost getting the first blood off of Ekki. Already some skirmishing happening
in the laning phase.
Like you said, almost the casters curse right there as I'm talking about them in their laning
stage.
He does survive.
Lich of course making the difference here on the top lane.
This is a very strong lane between the lich and the lifestealer of course.
Lich has some extra value now with the sacrifice that has been given back to our
boy.
At least it's not a minute zero sacrifice, right?
As it used to be in some previous patches where you saw Lich just AFK under a tier
to tower even on the mid lane. Like duo mid with sacrifice was a thing, lich.
Trying to go onto the lich right now, star breaker will connect and tandem with the drink,
the tag team. Easy kill, Ekky will draw the first blood from Kata Umi.
It's so much damage between these two, right? Like when the tag team is up and star breaker,
even though he was level 2, he didn't really have mana and he didn't have the
time to use the frost shield.
We've seen Nisha vs GPK, a matchup that we've seen time and time and time again, where Queen
of Pain does tend to be the one that comes out on top.
It's not such a bad matchup for Ember, in comparison to some other spirits and heroes
that are playing in the co-op, it's still alright, like, yeah, Queen of Pain definitely
is the hero that pressures, but eventually you have the chains, you have a lot of
mobility.
This is the first game that I'm not seeing Phoenix die in quite some time in the laning
stage in the first two minutes.
So if we'll just salve up behind the trees, come back with as close to full as possible.
However, while all this was happening, Miro has been very happily just cleaning up creeps.
A lot of percentages on both sides, by the way.
Some percentage-based damage, of course, coming from the timber saw, some percentage
heels coming from the Phoenix, eventually with the Sunray, everything that works very
well in tandem with Tiny. It has a lot of HP. But of course, Life Stealer as well, likes
playing into this kind of a core a lot. And I was frankly surprised because they had a
lot of options and they opted to go for a Tiny. Like we saw that same matchup yesterday
and Kiritic had Rampage. It has a Life Stealer.
We'll see, perhaps the idea here, the one that the Silver Edge is that badly, thinking
that it was going to be something with a hero worth breaking from the offlane, because they
did pick it before they saw the offlane, no?
Yeah, the Silver Edge is definitely one of the main reasons why this hero is strong,
like it helps out quite a lot, but I feel that you can even still go for some sort
of an earlier blink build with a BKB.
From the safe lane, it's usually just the hard pawn, Silver Edge and your online.
But these two items, no supports are safe on the map, you can hunt down heroes, not only
the supports of course, the cores as well.
Leesha, I'm gonna try and get this water rune right now from GVK, Ekky's coming through
as well though, coming from the high ground, they are gonna TP in extra support with Katowami,
blood grenade thrown onto the tusk, but Katowami, does he get the sinister gaze
he does?
This could lead to a kill, save coming through the river, Ekky tries to bail himself
part of the eyeshots. Unable to do so, GPK collects his first kill. Even though
TAC team was exceptionally strong on top lane, here on the mid lane versus the
Frost shield versus Ember with the Flameguard as well. Couldn't really do a
whole lot. Rubik and Phoenix kind of duking it out in the river by the
way. What build do you think we're getting from Nisha? We've seen all
style of the Queen of Pages, right? We've seen the early Kaya Sanj, we've seen the early Bloodstone,
we've seen just straight up Aghanim's Scepter. What are you feeling here? I think this is a pretty
good game for an earlier Bloodstone and an Aghanim's Scepter. Like Veil Aghanim's Bloodstone
seems pretty solid. Now playing, pressure being put out right now. Ace is gonna eat some
damage, nice and is the gaze to interrupt the Starbreaker. Bottomless, also some madness
as happening that side as Miro able to dive in and kill off Tophu on the Phoenix.
We talked about how strong Timber is versus the tiny same exact thing for Phoenix, like
even with die without it, they have a lift for it so they can interrupt it, they also
have Timberchain to continue chasing, they won't shy away from diving the tower as well.
So we do see Phoenix dying on bot lane at the end.
Master's Curse still remains strong, means you're not fired yet, good job.
In this early game, Kiritich has spent a lot of time just trading with Ace, so hasn't been able to farm as much as he would like to.
Do you see his CS numbers are relatively low?
They might come back on top of him.
Snares there, I shot, don't connect on Kiritich.
The creeps, they just decided to help out Liquid a little bit, in at 6 runes.
It will spawn bottom and it is going to be an illusion rune, based on yesterdays event
you can't talk too much trash about this rune, actually had some really impressive place.
It's pretty good in this kind of a game as well, even if you bait out a single spell
just to use the illusion rune after it's kind of nice, but of course Queen of Pain
right now in the current state is playing all around the soul ring and Scream of
main spam so no shadow strike to perhaps a raid or the spell with the illusion room still okay
tpk is hanging towards getting that early on looks like this will be a spurred vessel game for
him absolutely i think this is a very good panel talked about it of course as well it's a very
good vessel game he can go for a main spear i see a lot of mid laner is not going vessel
He does have the rage here, able to get away from the starbreaker.
Katalmi will return, has a frost shield ready to go if needed, so he'll be fine.
Like you said, he did trade a lot on the top lane and because of that his CS is actually
quite low, 30, but it did allow the supports to roam across the map.
Some of those supports will actually come top to help him.
Unfortunately, Ekki's already left, so the hero that they could maybe easily kill,
no longer available.
They still tried for the dawnbreaker though, but Gnito, now the synestic gaze was there,
save has the telekinesis holding it until the last possible moment, brings back Ace, kills
him off and justifies the rotation to the top lane.
Interesting, he didn't even try to use the Celestial Hammer in a defensive way, he just
tossed it on them instead to slow them down, which is in a way also defensive,
doesn't save him of course at the end.
Good kill, like they were really pressured on top lane, Lifesealer was not having
good game at all at the start so it's something it doesn't he doesn't even have an armament by the
way queued up triple gauntlet straight into radiance it seems like kata homey nisha's gonna jump right
over this rubik and go directly towards kata homey easy kill with the two supports save did
his best with the fateful but the damage reduction only level two gpk does find the steering
change on two he's the one that's falling low first gpk would love to chase him down
He finds out of resources, has to use the mana to retreat to safety.
He's trying to do a lot on his own.
He finds a regional rune of course as well, so the resources that he lost will be replenished immediately.
But they don't have a lot of damage before the supports are 6.
Cuny at level 6 on Lich, same goes for Rubik.
Carefully finally having a little bit of space to farm.
Where is Ekky gonna go next? Is he gonna go back top? Is there any kill potential if he shows up middle with Nisha right now?
There could be. If GPK is without a remnant, but of course it's very unlikely to happen.
I feel like on bot lane as well, there isn't really a kill potential here.
On the timber saw he TP'd, but taking down the timber is going to take another hero.
Like these two, I sincerely doubt that they can do it alone.
Even game at 10 minutes who knew this was still possible in this patch
Wait, he's got a new number by the way
Thank you for 489 square roots. Did you know what it is? I know what
Proper zoom I hear my coming from a key. I mean, it's it's kind of nice, you know, we're seeing something else
It's also, it doesn't hurt anyone, you know, it's just meaming around.
He isn't buying any mantles of intelligence and dropping them.
He's just enjoying the contemporary memes.
Not planting any trees in your base as he's pushing high ground?
By the way, the mantle is no longer the meta.
Right now it's full wizard stuff, or maybe even mystic stuff.
Tell me, if he jumps upon it, there's gonna be a heal from Ace as he comes through.
Unfortunately, although they tried to hold him back with GPK, they still end up losing both of their supports.
GPK does live, Timbersaw just showed up looking towards Tofu.
He's also carrying a passenger, brings Kiritage out of this.
They burst down Tofu.
Ace is gonna be able to get himself away.
Nisha has a blink, and because the supports are dead, there's no way to hold him in position.
A huge party on the mid lane. Literally every single hero in the game got here.
I still are infested in the ancient timber saw as well.
The one difference that you see from Liquid and from MedBoom is
the majority of damage from one side comes from Queen of Pain
and from the other right now it comes from the timber saw.
So, if they're the ones and you could see it exactly right here in the graph, right?
On one side 2k, on the other 2k.
However, Queen of Pain was the first one to burst the targets down
and because of that they come out on top in this exchange.
It's going for the Veil by the way, the question that you had earlier when it comes to Nisha's
item build, Sol Ring into the Veil, pretty much every single Queen of Pain right now is
going for a variation of this build.
It's pretty good, like you get some extra spell lifesteal with the Bloodstone, something
that was in a way taken away from Qop, moved elsewhere.
has the veil right now once they have the sonic wave available again with the solar
guardian they're almost certainly make another move in the meantime just some
ancient farming some cheese in using the smoke of deceit if he in the top lane
what to use the eyeshow to try and protect himself snowball will come out
as well I can't tell me already use the sinister gaze so doesn't have a
secondary locked out onto the tusk they're still smoked rubik has his
level six now. Okay, so let's try niche. Unfortunately, Syrian chains do not connect
coming out of GPK. Let the very least be able to contest for this rune, get a
haste on the top side. Let's see get the single rune on Queen of Pain, I don't
think so. Never lucky so far on the qualp. Our throne is going the way of
Ember. Is that his bird vessel coming up right now? Yes it is. I was wondering if
feel actually still completed, because it's a really damn good game for Vessel.
And there aren't really a lot of the spells, if any, on the other side.
Eki breaks the smokes from the high ground, in the triangle here.
Will buy some time with the snowball forward, going towards the rubik.
And you just throw out the chain from his heads up from Katar, okay?
Yeah, because he's gonna farm the ancients with it.
He knew what he was doing.
Ace, this is going to be the first victim of the Spirit Festival.
Kiritage is there as well with the open wounds.
Nisha though comes on the back line with the Sonic Wave.
He not only brings down the Rubik, he immediately goes on to the ledge.
Ace uses that opportunity to solo Guardian back towards the safe part of the fight.
GPK cannot chase him.
Nisha with the big plays makes it a 2-2 trade and saves the Dornbreaker.
Nice ulti usage by Ace, dodging them on one side,
re-entering the fight on the other, managing to stay alive.
And Liquid, yesterday and in their previous series, they really love having Ace on these global access heroes.
I feel they play a lot better when he is on the Underlord, on the Dawnbreaker,
because they can spread themselves thin on the map, but still have everyone at the right time in the same spot.
This time, of course, they were fighting around the Dawnbreaker, but usually they do not.
Well, that's all happening on the other side of the map, Miro at the bottom is going to
casually take the kill on top.
Let's see what happens here.
Do we have some comms?
Oh no, just a quick cheap kill.
Super easy for this Miro.
He's going to smoke up.
Oh, they found Nisha in the river.
We're doing this on top of him.
But save couldn't find the telekinesis so he's able to get away to safety.
Tofu might not be so lucky.
gets caught during the Icarus dive but he's supernova, they overlaid their stuns
so they don't have enough control to actually kill him before he pops the egg.
Yeah, they thought that they had him immediately, right, so they didn't really care too much about
their stuns, they overlapped them and it does save Phoenix but it does force out an egg,
which is still a significant spell for Team Liquid. When it comes to Phoenix in this game
and the solo kill that Timber did on him, this early on it's really good for Timber.
You're constantly bullying the Phoenix.
However, down the line, when you max out your Sunray, it kind of goes both ways.
Because you have a lot of percentage base damage versus a high HP hero.
Let's see, hopefully if Team Liquid can pick up the Tormentor, get a free shot for Tofu.
Always help.
Build him to like a hex or something.
Very, very even right now.
Kiritich has been one of the recipients of happiness from everybody fighting around him,
because he's finally being left alone.
He was being pressured so heavily earlier.
Now he can't build into the Radiance, has the Sacred Relic already,
not too far away from having the Full Item.
Don't break in the meantime, she has Echo Saber,
so Ace is going to make sure that he's able to scale throughout the game as well.
It kind of became the standard build.
Like, when the patch hit, I noticed a couple of dawn breakers actually going for even an
earlier agonist scepter, but right now, most of the time...
Oh, well that thought, Miro, getting a snowball towards him, Ace is gonna make his presence
known here as well, getting the stun from the Heaven, Starbreaker, even a Sonic Wave.
Everything committed on the Timbersaw, and they succeed in killing him, Nisha, not
Dungeons yet though looking towards safe on the high ground
There's have allies coming in so liquid do not want to chase into an area where they have no vision
I didn't have a vessel charge though, but they still want to take this fight
Hey, we should jump the backland is gonna be a chain for us throwing in supernova comes out to make sure it disjoints
Eki still going onto cut our only issues on the high ground the egg pops stumps two heroes both of them looking to fall and
Team liquid at that was just beautiful perfect execution the fire supernova
And the I supernova by the way used the snowball, completely negating Lich's ulti.
Like it went on two targets and just disappeared, it couldn't really connect on to anyone, any of the heroes
negated all of the damage, and in turn they get the kills instead.
Miki also tells that opportunity into a tier one tower, mid tier one is being pressured as well.
Okay, team liquid, all of a sudden just turning up the tempo here.
Silver lining, which is never a great silver lining, but at least by dying Ember did get the vessel charge.
And this vessel is super important for the Ember.
In this kind of a game where you're playing versus a dawnbreaker with heals, versus all these tanky heroes, tanky boys on the side of liquid,
the vessel amps up your damage by quite a lot.
Oh yeah.
We're not far away from them starting another fight because we have Aghanim's nearly being complete for Nisha.
Solo Guardian back on line in about 10 seconds.
I love how much uptime they have on the side of Team Liquid.
Like the only big spell that you're really concerned about is Supernova,
but everything else you're very happy to use as soon as it's available.
You could even say that Sonic Wave is a very important spell for QWOP,
but if a fight arises she can't do without it.
Right, like even with Sonic Wave being an 80 seconds cooldown,
once you buy the Aghanims, you're basically just playing around spamming Shadow Strike.
There was a fight this morning, the Queen of Pain used Shadow Strike like 7-8 times, so
Not a big source of damage.
Dust out onto Mikkei, they steal the trust from him. Can they catch up?
He does go back with the Avalanche, Ace coming in with the Solar Guardian.
It crashes down onto the Rubik and they get the kill on him.
Stun onto Timbersaw as well. Starbreaker also connects.
Mikkei, still not dead. Eventually will fall, but let's see if Miro's gonna be able to escape away from this.
You need a couple of more right clicks. Biosperits will connect, he gets away from the Starbreaker,
but he ticks out to the burn damage of Topu.
The Dawnbreaker ulti was pitch perfect right there.
If it goes off like a second later, Tiny probably just instantly dies,
and there's no counter play, no counter kills, but it's stunned Timber mid-chain.
So he doesn't get to kill on the Tiny. Immediately at least.
He still does get him, but it's a liquid favorite trait.
Spawning very well to all these moves happening around the map.
Aghanem's not finished, Vanesha.
4K gold leaf, it seemed liquidate as we approached the 20 minute mark.
Usually it's that bomb that plays the way the liquid is, right?
They're the ones that mechanically just bully the opposing teams post and during the laning stage.
But so far 4K lead, like you mentioned, 4 liquid.
They're the ones just being a little bit more precise with all of their movements.
And I'm kind of glad that we're seeing this, because this game could have went south real quickly for Team Liquid
if the lanes didn't go as well as they did.
I still think that the carry-to-carry matchup is not that great for the timing.
We'll see though, he's in a pretty good spot right now too.
Neck-to-neck with Leicesterler when it comes to the farm.
It was a hit for a long time, but Leicesterler is the one person who really has not been showing.
for most of this game doesn't mean that tiny has finished off his harpoon so
can start to move with his team team liquid they want to go and fight right
now yeah smoke up sonic wave agonies already okay to teach is the one that's
coming in the river this the perfect target can you rage in time no we can
not dead almost immediately sonic wave also puts an end to cut our omis life
they jump forward China JGP cable he does have the safety remnant there
might not be such luck for safe though he will steal scream of pain he
He was really hoping to get the blink, not so lucky my friend.
They charge him down, they have the reach, they have the damage, and that's another kill
for Team Liquid.
They were just caught with their hands down, right?
Like the rush pit kind of prevented Lifestealer from seeing the smoke, and at the same time
Tofu plants the ward because he knows his smoke broke so he knows that someone is there.
He plants the ward, gives all the vision for the timing, and that fight, the moment
life stiller is gone, it's just over.
Kiritich, not really being able to scale as he'd like to, does have the omelette in his inventory but
clearly still needs some time to get into fighting shape.
He can fight? As long as he's not the one just instantly bursted down.
If he has some info so he can rage first, then perhaps he was infested, but
the way the fight started was impossible for him.
I might come from through the Twin Gate, Kiritich and Tofu are coming through here
And they know exactly where he is, and he's gonna try to go through the trees to get a better angle of initiation
But something is spooking Kiritich, his team is telling him A, everybody is missing, need to get the hell out of there bro
I didn't see anyone else on the map, everyone is basically top, and you also do not see the Tiny so
Very interesting, by the way, VK is going for a Blink Dagger next, so value mobility over anything else
He already has the Halbert, sorry, the Parphone
and the Shadowblade, and next he's going for a Blink, okay.
I guess that Lost Fight must have shown him that look, if I can catch Leistila first,
we have the damage to 100 to 0 and just during one Avalanche top combo.
He went Mithril Hammer, he changed his mind.
Like a Blink and Shadowblade, like the whole point of this Shadowblade Silver Edge
kind of a tiny build from the safe lane is, you don't need the mobility.
You don't need the mobility that the Blink gives you
because you have Shadowblade to move around quickly with Silver Edge eventually,
And also the harpoon, right? So if you're going for a blink as well, I feel like your damage might be lacking in the mid game
Stunner following his BKB while he's doing that the rest of his team is on the hunt
Nisha leading the charge
Unfortunately, there's no damage or no vision rather on any of these targets, so
Looks like the smoke will go away with
Well, if it does go wavered, they do have a tormentor down bottom to collapse onto if needed.
Nisha has insistence on trying to make this work. He even pops the haste drone to run forward.
Kitteditch, leaving into a safe area, so Katohumi will show not a life that they'll happily give up.
Okay, Shadowstrike actually give him to Rubik. It's alright. He doesn't have an agonism or a shard or anything like that, of course to work with, but it's something.
Like when it comes to spells in this kind of a game, the best thing that you can steal is probably Avalanche.
I mean, there is Avalanche, which is simple to spam and to use constantly.
But of course bigger spells like Sonic Wave or maybe Dawnbreaker's Ulti, they're also not too difficult to steal.
Just that Avalanche gives you a lot of control, it's consistent, and it's a lot better than when Tiny uses.
It's instant, longer range.
It's up an Aether Lens as well, so making it a little bit easier for him to cast these spells
Tofu will get unlucky as the Shard goes towards Tusk, but this is still a very good Tusk Shard
Having the drinking buddies when you have a tiny carry, that feels pretty solid
Some of these heroes really lucked out when it comes to the facets being removed but added back into
the toolkit of the hero via the Shard or in some cases the Aghanim is like for Mars
heritage is about to have fashion the awesome heroes behind him cut tell me
doesn't have a smoke in his inventory but the rubik does rubik have one rubik
does they didn't really make a move in a long while and this lead from liquid
is just ever-growing 10k now and I'm not sure when they will be even ready
to fight because they've had a bkb on the timber so for quite some time it's
It's strange to see one of the cores purchase such a big investment for the mid-game and
then just not use it in the mid-game.
He's still waiting for this Bloodstone to finish from GPK, but he almost has it a couple
hundred gold away, but he might not live through this thankfully he gets up.
I would argue that Veil on him already enables him.
Like you have the spell weakness aura that you can activate, you have the spirit
vessel.
because now the next fight is going to be facing into two DKBs, one on the tiny one on the dawn breaker.
And the natives, by the way, because they weren't ready to contest this.
A very strange game from that form, but considering how they usually play,
they're being so damn passive.
And not especially after that first couple of minutes,
because they were trying and they did make a move or two, especially around the mid lane.
They kept constantly skirmishing and fighting, but things have changed.
Kiritich does have a basher now though, so I don't think they want to start the fight, but they are ready to respond.
They're actually going to start the fight with a lot of ATOS. Going towards Ekki here.
Snowball, back to Miro. Ice Shards will hold him in place, not allowed to lead.
There's going to be a solo Guardian to try and keep Ekki alive, but it's not going to be enough.
Huge Sonic Wave though, from Nisha, pushes back everybody and with the damage of Ace, they do kill Katahomi.
The BKBs are activated, but they are about to expire.
So Team Liquid come back to the safety of the high ground, that boom team will be...
How do they even feel about this fight? You know, you get the kill, yes,
but you sacrifice cut to homie, you use everything for this?
Okay, but on the other side, if you think about it, Sonic Wave used,
Phoenix Egg used very early on by the way in that fight, and in a very defensive spot,
just to try and save the Tusk, you probably don't feel too bad about it.
I'm not sure you traded the lich for the tusk, but it wasn't such a bad fight, and when you think about the long cooldowns, I think they have less of them. They can play the game a lot faster at this point.
Kinetic is here, though.
EKB activated by Mekke, Avalon cost combination.
Kinetic just ends up dead.
They will get immediate revenge with Miro diving through A's with the Timber Chain.
The 2-2 so far, Miro is falling very low.
Mekke right next to him gets out the damage to make it a third team liquid.
Save their Tiny and punch back heavily against BatBoo.
It's kind of cool to see just some slight adjustments to the build,
making the matchup that is usually favored one way, go the other,
which might die as well, probably will.
But this BKB that's early from Tiny,
in comparison to some others that we have seen,
is not allowing the lifestealer to abuse the matchup,
to use the open wounds on him,
so Tiny is just able to actually man fight.
A couple of cool interactions as well.
Rubik killed Phoenix with the wall sponge, by the way, stolen.
Even though Phoenix managed to get away,
he did get the kill in the end,
with the staff flying over the trees.
Mikae?
Mine's GPK, but it shouldn't really be a problem for the Ember Sturz.
Bloodstone healing him up.
He's actually turning on to Mikae with the Spurt Vessel as well, but he may have overextended.
Ekky comes through.
Woo!
Barely getting out on GPK.
Shout out to the Bloodstone heal for keeping him alive.
The Bloodstone plus the Vessel active, you know, and a lot of magic damage coming from Ember Spirit.
This was pretty scary for Mikae.
If he doesn't have the BKB, those kind of kills can happen.
even without the carries so has to be careful they do have a lotus of course on
Phoenix I think this is a good heads up play
tofu could have could have gone for anything you're a Phoenix right like
the itemization truly does not matter way too much for the skill set that you
have but the Lotus is so good this game versus the Lich versus the Ember the
chains so many things to dispel away I'm a bit concerned
about the progress of this ember spirits since he's gotten this bloodstone
mean we're also getting vessel charges here and there
you almost killed a tiny alone tiny was like half hp when he started
ah okay sure sure but he did a lot like i i get you like uh
his itemization did stall a little bit but so did everyone else's there's 12k
behind isn't a good spot and he's doing a lot of work with what we
what he has.
Speaking of heroes who are trying to make the most of what they have,
Kansai Omiya is going for that Aghanim Scepter again.
He saw yesterday they played with the Blink Ags.
It was actually quite effective.
I mean, I want to see this kind of a lich in all of my games.
Like, he won support item, Glimmer Cape.
And it's like a fake support item.
You think that Glimmer is to save someone?
No, it's to set up the AoE Sinister Gaze that he gets
with the Chain Frost and the Aghanim Scepter eventually.
Slema capable of saving him from the Shadow Strike for now as Ekki trying to chase in after the Rubik, solo Guardian drops down
should be a dead Rubik
Sonic Wave also gonna be connecting onto Kataromy so both of the supports are gonna find themselves in the grave
Yeah, Timber on the middle and wasn't able to connect, was fighting with the Tiny already
Trying to flee back into the base, they have very good wards out so they don't know exactly where he's at
I'll try to get closer to him but he pops the BKB
Ekki coming back, he rolls to save him from some of his Chakram damage
And then you're drinking buddies on the tiny and get out safely.
They lose the two supports. They do delay the game until Aegis has been reclaimed.
So maybe a fight that they could start off once Rubik and Lich are back in.
They're playing this skirmish-like Dota very well on the side of Liquid.
And don't shy away from using Solar Guardian for anything.
But here it is, he's just not being able to exert any influence in this game.
It's great for the Aghanim Scepter next.
It's good.
You go for Ags, especially when you're playing versus slow melee cores against you.
Aghanim just feels natural, feels good.
It's in a good spot as well for the lifestealer.
Nice damage.
We'll see if they'll ever feel comfortable like being able to get into the fight themselves.
As a sands, Liquid are pretty much dictating the pace across the map.
is farming freely, about to get an AC as well. Tofu of course did have to suck it up and
just buy the shot himself. Game is on.
That's alright, he has the greedy 2.2k gold. Supports are getting richer and richer, patch
after patch year after year and now with the assured plus 100 gpm
i feel like a lot of these range cores that play the outskirts of the map
just always have items i'm super surprised that the structure isn't played more
considering that raptor should be out here man
oh look at mckay kata only is just gone heritage can't help them and ace
gonna come through with the solar god if they catch rock heritage
There's going to be a sonic wave on top of the Silver Edge hits that they delivered.
Kibbitich does try to get out but will not be able to.
Save Gettys best to run interruption with the stolen Solar Guardian.
But all he does is put himself in the line of fire, get himself killed off.
GPK can't even save them.
At the end, they may be thought they're going to get a kill on Phoenix.
He pops Supernova, Sunray to heal up his cores,
and Team Liquid take a 4-4-1 fight on the high ground of Bedroom Space.
I know that the panel didn't really want a stompy game
but we're definitely getting one.
They couldn't stop you, right? It just became this way.
It didn't, but the moment I got a couple of items,
I feel like it definitely started feeling that way.
Now with the Silver Edge, with the Small Crit,
the supports, they cannot be on the map if not surrounded by sentries.
If you don't have vision, you're just instantly dying.
Save as well, by the way, using Lyft,
uncharacteristic to his nickname,
So on himself and not on the lifestealer which in the end does kill the lifestealer
But I guess you understand it's understandable because he has rage. You don't expect usually nice to die so quickly
It's a lane of barracks 21k gold leaf a team liquid
It feels like all of this started on that one gank that went through the Roshan where they managed to kill Kiritich
After that liquid would just keep sweeping the map and it's not like Kiritich is just not confident enough to show up to these fights
It's just a combination of heroes that is able on Liquid I feel like to get things done.
They have so many heroes that can just start things off and get a pick off and finish any core.
Because of the Solar Guardian, like you have a Dawnbreaker just chilling on her side of the map,
Ace is farming the storm, he's just below Tiny and Queen of Pain when it comes to the Network.
You mentioned the AC, the harpoon and the skull basher, so always able to connect.
They're gonna smoke with Tofu and Mekke, go connect in with Nisha on the top side of the map,
he's baiting a little bit and GPK will take the bait. Coming through for Nisha,
he'll pop the illusion room to get out of the roots and now Mekke jumping the backline,
they just want get it to it. Solar Guardian, it will not connect, save, beautiful lift back
on the lifestealer. He'll get infested as well, so he's carrying some very pressure
He needs to leave Dimbus although feeling brave and confident goes in by himself DKB active
It's like me out on to ace. He doesn't have another solar guardian
But he's so strong with his own harpoon get it it just now has higher HP trying to join the fight super Nova
thrown in by tofu on the outside able to burn the life stealer and kill off cut the homie rich cut the homie buys back
Returning to the fray he dropped out the chain frost has since the gaze on tofu that Nisha is there to provide assistance
There's no way out of this one for Kata Omi. He will die back. They drag Nero back into the fray as well
He's dead too. It ends up being a full team wipe and Nisha didn't even die!
Full team wipe with two buybacks. Rubik bought back, Lich bought back. He died back as well
Look at that damage like this item build with the Bloodstone with the Shadow Strike just constantly being applied onto everyone
They call GG. There is nothing more to do. This was a master class by Team Liquid.
They played the draft as well as you could expect them to play it. This last
deck as well from Tofu, we gotta commend him for that. He has one hero to worry
about and that's the Life Stealer because he has massive attack speed and
rage. But if you're over the cliff, he can't reach you.
Blitz is vindicated in how he drafted this. He is not afraid of the rubic on
the side of that boom. Team Liquid secure victory as we send it back to
the panel to analyze what just went down.
I kind of was hoping for a nice back and forth game, because it's been a little while, I feel
like we've seen that in the previous series, it wasn't really there.
But this game was not back and forth, and I must say I'm baffled.
Yeah, I think this is pretty much the beginning of what's going to became like Gabon level
shellacking coming out from Liquid.
This is where they bring the numbers.
This is, you know, Tiny who wants to get involved in some of these early engagements compared to Lifestealer, who's just farming on the other side of the map, and Team Liquid, they are bringing in numbers.
This is something that's said that Betoom does really well, but this time around it's going to be 4v5, Chain Frost, it's going to be doing some damage, but also they have insane amount of saves coming out from them,
and they're going to be ready to clean up at this moment. You can see Mikkei, he's getting involved, getting a really good Avalanche.
I feel like GPK just didn't have that impact early on, didn't have those two supports that
he could plumb around and get the damage in.
I mean you could see from the previous clip, right, the radiance in the last two is just
completed after the four heroes of BB died.
What happens if it's 20 seconds later where the lifestriner can TP in, there's a bit more
of a fight?
You know, Timber, he had an exceptional start to the game being top net worth,
but unfortunately the reason why we don't see Timber is like his items don't really
punch into the game that quickly, right?
the dawnbreaker going for the echo saving the early bkb going for bash like you feel
like every item like all right I want another fight and unfortunately September he just
fell off like he had a really good early game but liquid identified it killed him and then
we got to see you know this is classic liquid dota right it's overlapping heroes sweeping
through the map getting quick kills blink on tiny niche you're going crazy once again
like yeah bb just they fell so short so quickly he'll just just disappear it's
It's like they kind of stopped playing. It's more about, I would say, liquids and execution throughout the game where they literally didn't make any of the mistakes, getting their BKBs, big fan of this Lotus Orb on Tofu.
This is something that Nisha, I believe, did in the other game when he was playing Queen of Pain, when he was playing against Silencer.
But there's a lot of talking going on between the teammates who's going to be buying what, knowing that he can go for more aggressive build, picking up eggs into Bloodstone,
and you still have that cheap dispel on some of these earlier spells, so it does feel really nice.
This is like the joy of Dota right?
In drafting, Lifestealer is a good carry against Tiny.
We've seen it demolish the hero, but because of the style of draft Liquid has,
the Sunray, the Solar Guardian from the Dawnbreaker, the Tusk Punch,
even the Queen of Pain being able to be explosive in the early game,
it never really felt like we were watching Lifestealer versus Tiny.
It literally just created so much momentum and fight that it didn't matter that there was on paper a counter because in the game
Oh, you know characters. He never entered right?
There's a big difference where they have multiple BKB pitching abilities
That's why I really like this dawn breaker tusk and the co-op as a last pick overall
Which did allow them to choose the target if they want to like if lifestyles isolated if they lock him down
They could kill him from hundred to zero with the tiny's right clicks going through and also on the other side
bit boom team you don't have that much save maybe you can put in a frost shield but that's about it
yeah and this was a very fairly early dawn breaker pick and we said he was gonna have maybe uh maybe
a tough lane but the tusk made a lot of life to the lane right so it's like with the tusk you just
have survivability you have threat you don't really care about the the lich lifestealer you're
just gonna chill and it worked out nicely real hard but the thing is with all the stat lines
It's like nature will naturally look like he's meant to be the MVP in every game because he's going to have like double digit kills and assists
But I think because of the tusk and the dawn, Nisha got to play with so much more confidence
Hence why we are you know tipping the hat to someone else over the nature. Yeah big fan of this dawn breaker in general
It does allow mid laners to especially these more aggressive ones like storm spirits embers queen of pains that are going in
You don't have to pick up that early blink dagger
You can go greedy Lotus from the position 5 straight away plus non-breaker allows you to go for like higher tier of items
That allows you to pump in more damage like still be tanky because you know the dawn breaker ulti is gonna come if you're gonna be in danger
Yeah, it meant that on the side of bedroom. They had a rough time and two people that maybe had a little bit of a rougher time than others
Were GP came year
Yeah, I just kind of look at their stats because after what looked like an okay early game
I still want to pose the question like
Where where did it go? Right? Like of course we saw the 60 minute clip
That was so important
But when you have a vessel from your mid laner a consecrated wraps on your off laner and a lifestyle to getting a radiance at the 16 minute mark
I really am anticipating BB to be ready for the fight and they just weren't ready like liquid
They made the first move and after that one move
Maybe just what got afraid. I feel like they did something within the team told them
We can't do anything because again look at the progression of the stats. We fast forward by what another eight minutes this was
Nothing they just they just watched the game progress and that's not how you beat liquid. I
Feel like I'm having a little bit of a
I don't know. I feel like I miss
red the power level that bit them has shown us this entire event so far and
It's showing in the air today. Let's be real. Yeah, but but this is like blown out of the water
What's your type of style? Is it just because of the draft?
I think Liquid came prepared. I also don't think they wanted to get
Cheryl Timbersaw for themselves coming into the series.
Coming with the prep. It felt like it looked good on paper.
It was like necessary. It's good for the game, but they didn't really...
The bait. Yeah, it's a bait.
They got baited, that's for sure, and then they lost real hard.
Let's find out if they can turn it around and force out a third game to the series.
We're going to take a break. We'll be right back.
make us do anything ignore NAVS
ignore NAVS if you are gonna
take the ramp
I got the next one
take the tunnel
fucking over it
I use VKV from NAVS
maybe rubik?
I use VKV from NAVS
VKV?
slowly there slowly
you can send a I can protect it maybe
I only make a kill it
I can stun NAVS
send a
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and then the next round.
Everybody we are doing ask the
experts yet again we have
brought sinnerin local
analyst experts to tell us the
top five players of all time
in their prime. I'm not talking
about over the course of now
and then in their prime
right. Who is I'm doing one
So that's Terry, etc.
That is correct. That's right. Right.
So let's start with a five.
Right.
So my pick for five is going to be Prime Puppy.
Prime Puppers?
Yes.
I think when he was at his very best, which was a decent amount of years, to be honest.
Sure, sure.
There was definitely some gap.
I don't know what year you want to pick.
You want to pick 2011, 12, 13, 14.
I think he's a candidate for all of them, maybe even 15 when things with us.
So I'll pick Puppy.
Okay.
He's my number five.
Great choice.
Or my five.
My four will be Surprise Surprise Prime Jarex from TI-89.
TI-89 with OG, I just think he was something else.
Yeah.
For my three, I pick Zai.
Zai!
Specifically the secret iteration with Zai,
I think was they went on a ridiculous tournament
winning spree and he was very flexible.
He could play all sorts of styles.
Insane hero pool, very creative player.
It's probably between him and 33.
If I had to pick Alpeg Zai,
and I think it's a big shame,
considering how good he was that he never won TI or Valve major.
That was the COVID year.
So when Secret was winning, there was no TI that year.
And they won everything.
Yeah, he definitely won one.
So super unfortunate.
So my mid-player will be a tie.
Oh, a tie?
A tie, because I couldn't choose between Sumail and Miracle.
Oh, OK.
Same era.
DIC slash 2015, Sumail was a total beast and Miracle
around 2016, 17, just something else.
Absolutely.
And finally, for Cary, I will pick Yatoro.
Yatoro of all time, really.
Yes, I think Yatoro at his peak at, I think,
the first TI they won, TI 10, was incredible.
Of course.
Just something else.
So, yeah, I think it's great.
He still maintains it to this day?
Yeah, he's still very good.
I mean, these lists are impossible to make,
but I think we got some honorable mentions in there,
too.
I don't think it's impossible.
I think it's probable.
We actually just did it.
You guys just watched it!
Just now we witnessed Betoom lose their second game total of this entire
Wallachia season set 8.
And Team Liquid were the victors in game 1 so their smile is all around.
We didn't find out if they will get a 2-0 under their belt,
their belt, but the only other time Bed Boom lost a game, it was also a game one against
Falklands, and then they came back swinging.
So in terms of if we had any doubts on whether Bed Boom would be able to make adaptations
to come out ahead game two around, I feel like they got that covered.
They should get half that covered.
They've been in this situation enough.
Yes, I agree, Shiba.
a little mean but you know before they started winning all the time it's
also like not that complicated to see the reason why they struggled right GBK
didn't really get to play make you go you know cash up down and scared you had
Miro dying on a top network timber also got scared like fear was installed
very quickly into two players that's not how you win a Dota game so the
coaches are gonna lift up the spirits goes you know what guys it's on me I'll
tweak one pick let's be ready to take liquid to the fight without the
support rotation. They had Eki's number a little bit, they mirrored the move, they made the early
fighters just the team aspect, they could outpace them. Yeah, I think they focused heavily on reducing
the damage as well, but we're also a bit limited in the damage dealing department because I also
like how Liquid just drafted in that game. There's a lot of mini stuns, there's a lot of
like things that you're kind of hating to play against even though there isn't a silence or
anything they still got his number on ember spirit the timbersaw doesn't feel
too good coming into a fight knowing that he has like five different things
that can interrupt him percentage base damage on top of that playing into pure
damage just doesn't feel as good also love the comms right as we went to break
we hear Mickey you're going you know you could egg up to it maybe maybe I think
he beat for nothing and everybody's like let's see who who who that was let's
was kind of a situation here. It was a bit chaotic. It was chaotic, but let's be real. At that point,
the game was mostly already won. They needed to clean it up. No, yeah, it's like, you know,
thought the IS cross the T's. It was a very kind of simple conclusion for Liquid, but it's still
fun to see the difference of pro player communication. Absolutely. But maybe, I mean,
we know Boxie is a fairly vocal player, so maybe normally it's a bit more structured. Who
Who knows?
Echie, he talks a lot, he pings a lot.
I mean, someone in the comments, I didn't know who it was, but I've stunned the Life Stealer!
Yay!
It's just wholesome when you have that level of energy.
It did sound like Echie.
He's got some vibes done.
Yeah, we heard, we'll talk about how they wouldn't ban Rubik because there were some
of the heroes to ban, but this time around it's them that have first pick.
So they have some luxury bands, and Rubik is one of them even though they just
Yeah, they also have Slaughter which is still in the pool Slaughter is
It's gonna be both in the pool at this point at the same time
Yeah, like sender and then he could
Can't use will do both just cheating in the mini-games
They remove Slaughter so alchemist is up for for grabs, but so far every time we've seen alchemist
We was answered with the queen of pain when it was in the pool and the queen of pain does seem to have alchemist number overall
Yeah, it's just nice. I think we've seen teams lose of alchemist when the game gets broken down before you can enter the game
Of course, there is a development in that where out teams will give one axe away and then you become the carry
I think that is my preferred style. Yeah, instead of getting two or three of my axe
Maybe if it's like such a good game for it where these eggs are gonna break the game
But other than that you also need to be able to play for yourself
I think like once we started the tournament people were giving away multiple eggs and just too many here being like this
Farming or a bot for rest of the team not really
Participating much because you could definitely see it in the damage department
You don't feel as comfortable coming into the fight with the naked radiance and already seeing with the openings
I'm looking at liquid thinking about their second phase broom masters
You know allow ace to be a bit greedy
He'll get given the agonins and then you can just cycle in the tide hunter like I can already see some some path
I go in down of course Queen of Pain the here that you already mentioned is
Amazing wave alchemist due to the the spike of the axe you get to buy kaya and then other items
Maybe even that just a veil as well right before I think good one gets a little bit more priority here over the
Like other supports as well even over the rubik because there's tide on one side
They also have the pick out of the face
So I want to see if liquid is going to respect that if they want to ban it out
They still have two bands available
But I don't know something about hoodwing just being so annoying every single game you watch this hero play
It's just done so many things
It's such an easy pick as well for me to use right it progresses the draft
And when you have tight hunter
Gosh plus a ranged fall
It's a combo that you know speaks for itself
It's a tight-hunter picked here because otherwise they would be forced to ban it or something like why so
It's it's kind of like you know copying Falcons homework, right?
When Falcons was the team the only team letting out through the pool
It's the pick Bristol or tied to free farm the lane
Yeah, and then you just get to be like this over farmed off-laner baby. Just copying Falcons pretty much. Yeah
We have yet to see Miero play tight during this Valachia, but we know he can very well do it
Well, then the hoodwink, let's see what else they want to remove from the pool.
Taking a little bit of time here to get into their bonus time.
Yeah, it just depends if they want to respect more safe heroes like the Lion, the Windrangers,
the annoying foes that can make these moves.
Even the fact that Windranger 4 wasn't a thing that we talk about, but after that
one game they've had, I'm like, okay, maybe you want to respect it.
They respect the AA.
that we haven't seen I believe on our games I say there was there was a place yeah yeah okay
that's four picked but yeah okay the first time it gets banned I don't I don't think I spoke about
a once this tournament so far that's fine we got banned for the first time ever yay yay quap
is picked I don't think it's a surprise they've been at the puck you're very silent for both teams
Yeah, I think they already have a much better draft in terms of teamfight and how easier it is for them to play the fights,
opening up with two super strong heroes in meta right now that don't have many counters in the lane.
One of the reasons why they decided to go for the cores instead of getting the supports as well,
so they're going to wait it out and then have a double pick as well.
We'll have to figure it out that they need slightly more control.
you can always pick heroes that can easily play with QWAP, but Oracle picked for Liquid.
It did look good in that one game where he picked it with the Lone Druid,
saving the bear multiple times, and then bear goes in at the later stage of the game,
manages to blink out and kill the barracks. It's going to always be the same kind of logic,
right? When you have BBs heroes, survive the Sonic Wave, survive the Ravage.
If they didn't have Refreshers, congratulations, you're probably going to be in a good position.
Oracle can always do that based on the dispel,
fix edit, you even got, of course, the ultimate.
So plenty of tools.
I'm down for Tusk again just because I love Tusk as Tide
ever since these two heroes have been introduced to Dota
pretty much ever since Tag Team was a thing.
It allows you to get a kill on the hero,
no matter what, even if you don't have the break
mechanic, it just feels really good.
A bit of a control.
I have a question with Alchemist in the game, Incent, the...
Lion will get the axe correct, yes.
Sure, the Tidus and Quapar are very heavy, already drafting, like okay, we're going to
be able to deal with the Alchemist.
Is there a world...
It's a good silencer game.
Hold up a second.
Is there a world Alch is not position one?
I would like to see it three at some point.
Yes.
I think it can be Offlane.
33 on tundra has done it before has yeah, they're not in the tournament. Maybe I could see ace trying it
Once this this tournament no idea who played it
But I we did talk about it to the other day the way it is doable. I don't think I think with
Lamed in the off lane
in one of the games of South American rejects, so that might actually
Be that be a skewed snap tension based on them setting up lanes all they played off
I don't know, but they did lane 4 come on game definitely doable. Yeah
The wind ranger comes out. It's the the support wind ranger that even if wind ranger not the meta
Yeah, I make it look good and they pick five here use this wind ranger as a flex up until the end
I'm still a big fan of silencer
I think it ruins what both lion and especially oracle wants to do unless tofu is gonna be in god mode and
Precast
Oracle like I mean he can predict he is the oracle
My global silence is gonna hit and also the communication with the team. We said it was clean. Yeah
I can protect you maybe maybe
Precasting essentially
So to be fair, I think I would like to see it happen again in modern-day Dota, right?
Especially because the initiation of an alcohol line if they say guys, I'm jumping in in one second
You know start channeling there's a choice that a good workout
But of course you need everyone to really be thinking about it. Yeah
Which I would imagine they should be able to, but at the moment,
Begum is taking their time to think about this one. It will be a Winter Wyvern!
What are we thinking about that one?
Is Lion, or Lion and Oracle not good, because if you're going to be put in an ice bubble,
Magic Damage still goes through.
But it's not that it's okay, like a finger, Oracle can be a little bit annoying with her nukes,
but it's like I think Winter Wyvern will get to play the type of game you want, right? It's
reactionary, you come across the robot, please try and fight us. You're fighting into Curse and
Ravage and Sonic Wave and then Shackleshow. It's just a lot of just mess. So when Liquid does
initiate, it's a lot of tools and a lot of just things you're going to get through.
Yeah, I also have the information, by the way, that it was Bach playing the offline Alchemist
against XG. And they lost, unfortunately, but it was played by a proper offliner.
True offline and other off-laner with shenanigans
Ti winner off-laner
And we got a house card what do you feel about that one?
It's Oracle house car. It's liquid. It's pick 18. It's a puck. It's a house car
It's it's something to threaten it is one of the no, I'm just saying 18 pick that liquid often use
Oh, yeah, because it's it's it's a quap
Oscar, I mean yeah lately you could
Still, even though Bat-Boom team played it as a position 4, I still feel you could play
this Windranger as a carry, especially against Hosskar.
You don't care too much about his right.
This is not a hero that has a belt in MKB by any means.
This is not what the hero wants to buy.
At what level does Windranger get the kill shot on their certain amount of...
Level 25.
Yes, I mean...
We can't play for 25.
25 yeah 25
I mean BB they have the lineup right you've got splinter blast you can upgrade it with your innate right to get the 50
Yep, you can then power short sonic wave every crew waves
I say every if that's even possible and then tie down to have gosh
Like they if they want to they can play for it
But no liquid with the house car it is one of the best laning matchups for the queen of pain just pressing the queen of
Pain into the cold embrace you said about just
Bastaring the hero during it house cars the hero to be able to do that so they've gone to the cold embrace
They've asked the queen of pain with the hero
There's also like a potential possibility. It's a bit of a stretch
You could run queen of pain as Kerry and you could put Windranger mid
But it's a it's a bit of a like too many things. Maybe that would make the draft too wonky
Yeah, like right now I don't see them killing huskow
Outside of like over rotating heroes where you're like you're using four heres to call huskow
But then it's like the even through good oracle husk are so you got to be aware of potential ulti coming out
Which is gonna stop like you need to heavily commit you need the sonic wave for sure
You need maybe ravage like good shackle shot depending where windrangers gonna go
You might even to have a focus fire if it's a carry if
If you are saved by the oracle, but you are still obviously looking like the old still on so you don't actually heal yet
Can you still get executed by windranger?
And if you like the execution part of it what you can pick at 25
Well, we are gonna find out what liquid wants to do with their off lane
One they've left for last one here. I kind of like the BB potentially is
The the kez on the PA. I like Harry a bit more of an explosive damage
Like if you see Oracle Lion on any vision, I want that hero to disappear
I don't want it to be like a slow damage carry where it's like, ooh look at me because then of course you're gonna be potentially guided
The frog!
Okay
There's a...
Okay, that's gonna be your Ag's partnership so I'll go find one Ag's, give it to Lago, go back to buying items
Oh, Kirit, he's stinking. He needs to cook this something for the last pick
It could be like tiny as well
He builds into silver edge. He kills the supports. What's CK like in in this type of meta, right?
It's just explosive damage. He dies. So he still has the same. I tested it one game
It's over because the illusions still take like 300% of the damage tree
You can be illusions, but you just die. But what if you jump the log and stop him?
But I feel like you're gonna die illusions gonna die to stun an ass. You know what? We'll put it to the side. That's me like
Like, okay, they're okay, it's a simple thing.
I went to, in a way, it's on a panel,
you wanna go for your safe predict, like the Kez,
then you gotta throw the calf, you never know.
But yeah, they keep it simple, they go for the Kez.
It is gonna be the hero that can try
and threaten the lion oracle throughout the game.
In lane, Lager does have a dispel,
so you can actually deal with a bit of that damage
that Kez provides, but.
Is it, so far there's one good,
like really good Aghanim's target for the Alchemist.
second one as well. Huskar would love to have it.
Is it having a thought?
Not over Largo, I would say.
But we might see a shift.
It depends how the game is going to go.
I think Micky might need to go slightly grittier for himself
and then feed that agatam setter slightly later,
depending how the game is going to develop.
But a lot of healing on side of liquids.
You have Largoba, you have Tofu playing the Oracle,
Alchemist with his Altee.
So I want to see how they're going to be approaching that one.
You did like Crilla's crows here on Queen of Pain. Later down the line, it feels really good.
Yeah, we were talking about like some like mid, maybe even late game, but just throwing it out there.
Yeah, I mean, Liquid, they just have a lot of combinations to play on like the croak with Haska with the line.
It's going to feel nice. They are naturally very aggressive.
I think Lago is just going to want to go crazy with Haska in the leading phase.
Look on the left side, we have only one on this match and on the right side four is like first time on this.
first time on this. So I feel like in terms of comfort, Bedlam has got a slight
edge. Sure. But also this event doesn't also like this. They've played these
over a week. It's been a week. Okay. You know what? Yeah, liquid. That's
absolute shambles. Why have they drafted these here? They've not played
in the entire event. They've disrespected towards BB. Is that what
you want to choose? No, well, I just want to know if this is a more
competitive game because so far this is we've just watched four stumps in
row. It might be a fifth. Really? I mean something's in the air or the water or something. We are just
getting only stomp games. How are we going to break it? Maybe we just break it by not talking
about it at all. We are done talking about this. We're going to only listen to our commentary view
of Snare and Lizard. Thank you very much Eva. Betboom team in search of their third time
being in the top three of PGL Wallachia. Team Liquid have been here five times before. Both
Both of these squads were lying on some pretty busted stuff.
The question I have for you, Big Liz, what is more broken?
Can it carry or the disgusting Haska with the Oracle?
The Haska, Oracle historically, right?
Like this is one of those things that you never want to face.
You see it in your pubs, you just gg out immediately.
You check out, you know, you do some cooking while the game is going.
But let's see, let's see, like I kind of agree with the panel as well when it
comes to the stompiness, we've seen a lot of stumps, and Huskar generally is a stomp one
way or another. This hero has been nerfed, so he doesn't have that built-in Dispel anymore
in the laning stage.
Okay, Kiritich, gonna get held in position with the root, brought back by the catchy
lick.
Grabbing hook?
Oh my goodness, no, no one's that good, no one's that good, no one's that good.
Almost.
Almost gets away, but they used, there were like three flying projectiles at him
and a blood grenade as well.
You know tech goes down giving away the first blood and to make matters worse
They somehow got three bounties on the side of team liquid. This is by the way
pet boom
101 when playing versus huskar in a bad matchup like I've seen this a lot of the times in the past as well
Just delaying him
If if you're off-laner can actually survive on his lonesome. This is worth it
Ignisha doesn't have that built-in dispo that we mentioned earlier, so it's a bit harder for him to deal with the Shadow Strike 2, especially if there's another hero.
I remember they played Ringmaster DK as well, in a very similar lane, they took it to kill down bottom.
Quick kill there onto Ekki by Katalim.
And you mentioned just leaving the Tide alone. I mean, he's aggressed into him a little bit, but you don't really anticipate Oracle Alchemist being able to easily kill off the Tidehunter.
Especially with Oracle level 1. Oracle is insanely strong when it comes to nukes, but on level 3, right, like you need level 2 purifying flames, and the Q, but level 1, he's pretty damn bad at zoning anyone.
Misha, not going to be happy about what's happening right now.
Yeah, this is a very good adaptation, and if this kind of a thing goes on without any punishment on the side lanes,
You know, Huskar might be a little bit sad.
That first second, it might have to go to him, you know, just to calm the nerves down a little
bit.
I'm gonna try and punish Miro up on top, but as soon as he throws out one anchor smash,
team tips him.
Come on, bro.
Yeah.
Uh, Nisha, so what's the plan, how do you respond to this on the side of Team Liquid?
If you can't punish the Tidehunter on that side, can you bring somebody else
mid?
I guess you can, but Huskar really needs the levels.
Yeah, the thing is, you could possibly bring Oracle, but maybe first the kill on top.
Okay, Mero.
Finally gonna find himself getting stunned up, killed off. There's the punish you were looking for.
Yep, Titehunter.
Overall, he's not really getting anything on top. He has 4 CS, level 2.
So overall, this kind of a trade. Not too terrible so far for Liquid, and it seems to be continuing, by the way.
Save is hunting Huskar even in the jungle.
Okay, it is relentless.
To be honest, I hate Huskar, so I'm not really that sad about this.
Do you hate Huskar more than you hate Alchemist or Lone Druid?
Yes.
My gosh.
Perhaps not in this patch.
I think generally a stop lane, Miro again.
Yep, he's in trouble, losing a lot of HP, but Mikae is out of mana, won't be able
to apply any more spells towards the side.
They already used the stun, they already used the purge.
Oh my god, save.
Just aggressing into Nisha here.
Something right like bringing him lower so he actually hits the creeps a little bit faster
Unfortunately, that doesn't mean a GPK is free farming in the mid lane
18 and 10 versus the huska who's found seven CS, but most of these are just been in the jungle
I think I only got like two lane creeps. He's playing versus two two heroes like that. He is getting
So much from the huska honestly, and I'm not being
sarcastic here. I think he's doing well.
Nero, stand again. The mana has come back for Mikkei.
So Tofu, now on a killing spree, getting the punish up on the top lane.
A little circle from Nisha, just so everyone knows where Save is,
in case someone would like to give him a hand and assist.
But not too bad for Liquid.
Considering that he's still not completely shut down,
He didn't die once on the mid lane. They managed to kill Miro twice already. He's sitting on 6 CS
All of these kills also happen to juice the network of the Alchemist
Throw both of them are assist, but eventually the kill will go his way. I honestly think that the first
Aghanim spot lane ace
Is the nice this spell from everything even though it gets reapplied. He should be fine
I think the first acts if it comes very early because of all of these skills that are happening on top
They might want to give it to huskar if he finds armlet like armlet agonist huskar versus something like queen of pain
It's almost always a free kill early on even versus wind ranger all their elusiveness goes away
Meanwhile Largo you want the agonist
But you also need the levels like early levels agonist Largo doesn't do a lot speaking of you might die here
He's trying to run away from Kiritage and the power shot from Save.
He's swept over from the mid lane, able to ensure that they find the kill on the logo.
Ekky not able to respond in time.
He came to the lane but also with a shadow strike on him so he's 50% HP already.
That boom team Sakana's thought that they will need.
I'm glad now that Save is spending more time just shadowing the Husker, leaving the Queen of Pain to also collect experience.
He's higher level. Not really. He's the same level as Huskar. Huskar should hit four here.
But of course, level four Huskar versus level five and a quarter on Queen of Pain.
This is absolute bullying, I say. He's being as annoying as he can be.
Just depressing the Huskar, making sure that he doesn't really develop any net worth.
Yeah, the difference is though, Titehunter also moved back into the jungle, but no one mirrored that move.
No one followed him, so he's free farming. More or less he free farmed the medium camp of the triangle, now he's got double bracer.
Not sure they can zone him anymore from top lane, he's level 5.
I'm actually deciding to move Oracle towards the mid lane to help contest for this rune.
Save, oh my goodness, if you can see him, they might actually just be able to get this power shot.
Looking for the angle, but doesn't catch the vision.
Tofu might sweep over though with this Invis' Rude and maybe try to punish, and Eki's there already.
Tofu, first down the purge and the Rude, there's gonna come the Earth Strike.
Anisha is the one that gets the credit for the kill. That must feel very cathartic for the Huska.
Absolutely. Cretoplayer was trying to get level 6, by the way, to maybe connect, but didn't manage to clean the creep wave immediately.
Couldn't really help out. Of course the purge from Oracle is really good versus Windranger as well
Just getting rid of the Windrun immediately. They have a lot of dispels on the side of Liquid, which is always nice
This does leave
Nikki all alone up on the top lane. So this Alchemist is going to be absolutely free-forming
Agenom timing is going to be kind of incredible
Lion is the only hero on Liquid that doesn't have some sort of a dispel by the way
Okay, Lion though does have a stun. He throws it onto Kata, he was falling very low and will die thanks to the help of Tofu, Ace though, falling extremely low himself.
Tofu, make sure that he stays alive in the end with the Faze Erect. Ace will be fine.
Level 3 Purifying Flames. Killing through the Cold Embrace. Just... how much? 270, right?
Yeah, 270 damage.
All level 3. One of the strongest nukes that you can have early on and on a very low cooldown, of course.
TPK even swept over here. I was hoping to just jump in, find the log, or maybe hit him with the sonic wave.
But Ace played very, very safe. Went to the far right, and they have this observable ward in their own triangle to protect.
Yeah, Nisha planted it. When he went to the jungle, he actually planted that ward just to protect himself from save.
He isn't able to dodge him because Windranger is just way too mobile, but at least he can, while farming, he can move as far away as possible, not to get harassed as well.
I'm putting pressure onto the C1 tower. Shackle shot does connect.
And they kill 2-4 off in time. You get off the Fate's Edict. Pops a big one.
You're still alive. You're chilling. Purifying flames.
Fate's Edict prevented a lot of the Queen of Pain damage. He's lying.
Yeah, I mean, how often do you see Oracle? This right there...
Most of the time if Oracle was popular, it wouldn't happen. Queen of Pain just wouldn't use ult.
She wouldn't try and killing him off.
safe.
He's to get out of here at tofu.
As vision of him, they get the hex out, Mikkei even sweeps over as well, throwing up on stable
concoction.
More gold into the coffers of the Alchemist.
The path to Radiance is that much shorter.
The Oracle is rich man.
He's got level 6, he's got his ulti.
Even the pure damage from Qwap, like he doesn't truly care, like he can heal his heroes
very easily with all the spells that they have on their side.
So what would you say?
Shutdown Huskar plan worked. I won't say so. I don't think this is a shutdown Huskar
He's in a decent spot like in he doesn't have a lot of network
But he didn't die once he's got a kill and an assist and he will continue farming
This is a hero that farms scary fast in the jungle once he gets a couple of levels
We've all been there right like you know that there's always that one guy that wants to play mid
You don't allow him then he grieves with a jungling Huskar and somehow carries the game in the end
so
The trade of course has been that there hasn't a lot of pressure applied towards ace
But even he's still finding his form the tower is falling lower and lower
But it also doesn't have to worry about rushing his agonies right it's gonna come eventually from this alchemist
That boom are in a pretty good spot still tier one mid gone tier one top also
Not gone, but tight hunter is completely free farming
So eventually they will make an offensive move towards the top lane
And they do have a free farm in case who is not that far away from completing the mage layer
Before he moves into his deso
80% win rate by the way like
You know how I feel about this hero. He does way too much all of his spells have some sort of an active and passive
If it's not a crit, it's a silence. If it's not the silence. It's a stun. It's a dot
It's a mark that's easy to throw the trees.
Luckily for Liquid, Kiritich is playing without an amplifier.
Like he doesn't have some sort of star dart.
The only thing that he's working with is an eventual shard from Winterviver, which
can give him some extra damage.
And speaking of Winterviver, another hero that you don't really see very often.
Yeah.
Winterviver is actually going to come top to supply some pressure towards Mikei.
Miro, not close enough to be able to lay out a ravage, doesn't have the mana anyway.
There is the Radiance for the Alchemist, it's up right now for Mikkei.
The rest of the team was trying to sweep over from Bed Boom.
GPK and Saves smoked up, but did not- oh wait, she might go up the hill here, this could be dangerous, Tofu's not that close by.
Azultion though, a bit hard to take him down, Oracle is near enough.
Okay, save will now see that oh tofu is here. No point even trying to make this play
GPK even just blinks back into the river going back to mid and farming
They have good defensive words. They like set up the perimeter and win Ranger when Ranger getting caught fortunes and finger of death
Even some other radiance burn as we see there. It's faster 90 seconds almost faster than the previous fastest
That's kind of crazy given how many alchemist games they've been
You know what, I completely agree with you, it's going to be a very fast agonist scepter.
What worries me a little bit for Liquid is this fact that your mid lane got still pretty
shut down.
You're off lane, you just lost the tier 1 tower and Aces level 8.
Agonist scepter for me is massive when given to mid lane QWAP, Ember, Void Spirit,
if they have a shabby lane if they're like level 7-8 at that point it's good
enough for them to make a comeback. You can give the agonims to the Huskar or to
the Largo. Largo needs more levels. Agonim's on its own does not do a lot.
Like he actually needs level 12 at least for that level to ult. I guess Huskar
makes a better case but then again does he truly want to go all in on a
Huskar that got shut down in the laning stage. Well this laning
rely on to for you. Like you said, you got a lot more gold out of this game than you
would have otherwise. And you say, all right, you have more golden experience. So it's your
job to just protect this Huskar after we give him the axe.
I think that's a good plan. I would probably give the first one to the Huskar. But then
again, the Largo axe is just, I think it's hard not to give it to the Largo.
He's queuing up the Kaia and Sanj. And honestly, just by seeing both of these
These items, Kaia and Sanj, he's getting the axe, 100%.
Will be a moment of peace, some respites.
Mero wants to go farm in the jungle, some beautiful stacks have been created.
Much appreciated, save.
No matter what happens, the results of this game, save has done so much in the third
game.
being done, he grieved the Huskars game, he has grieved it right a lot, you don't really
see a duel with him too often.
The last time I actually saw that versus the Huskars it was them, they were playing Ringmaster
4 and GPK DK, but they demolished the Huskars, he had like 3 that's a minute 5.
Huskars are definitely not a hero known for being able to recover after that kind
of slot.
Does have his armlet now though, farming into getting the D-Lunch, the main Shackle,
the Connector, and the Ekimid, Tofu, not close enough though.
It's a Sonic wave as well, just making sure the Toracle isn't chilly around, so the Shackles
were really good.
The Shackle shot was, it barely latched, it was max range almost.
Shot out saved, yet again being very impactful in the opening, the GPK will start turning
the Gold he got from that kill into the Anagonum Scepter, a really hot way there
If you remember the beginning of Alakya a week ago at this point, Meta was all around
QWOP and Alchemist.
Like who gets QWOP, who gets Alchemist because one of these heroes was given and every time
a team that got the Alchemist had to give away the QWOP in an exchange because she
just pressures the map way too heavily and by the time you're online the game is
already way too far from being recoverable.
But let's see, we are basically circling back to the start.
Time is a flat circle, so it seems.
Ekki picks up a shrine of wisdom.
Let's see if they decide to do anything afterwards, as Nisha...
I mean, I guess there's no reason to rush if you're on the side of Team Liquid, right?
The worst thing that could happen is that you try to make a play, it fails,
and then all of a sudden you fall even further behind than you are now.
He's still in recovery mode, right?
On the housecar, still chilling in the triangle, not going anywhere.
He has a couple of supports around him.
The boards are still set up defensively and honestly, on the other side,
I don't think Batboom is too inclined to make any sudden moves either.
Like you're playing with the Kaz, 80% win rate carry right now.
He's going for his Desolator, Queen of Pain for the Aghanims.
The moment to have Aghanim's squad and the Dazzle on Kaz, I think for Bed Boom, that's the time to go.
I'm about to get their first Aghanim that's flying out right now for Mikae.
Let's see who shall it be delivered onto. Is it Huskar, is it Largo, it's gonna be the Huskar.
But he's going for the second one, so the second one will go to Largo and Largo would be nice if he had one now.
Unfortunately, he does not, so his life is forfeit.
He was tofu. He was in range.
What? He looked like he was in range for sure.
That definitely looked like he was in range.
Well, didn't manage to get the save.
We do see there on the stats that tofu, or Miki rather, has been on the pace.
90 seconds faster on the radiance, also 90 seconds faster on the axe.
Hakan is a Huskar by the way.
Okay, Miki, he's getting rushed down right now.
He needs some help. Katomi is here.
They throw the stun out onto Miro, Murusco chasing, has access to the ravage, they bring in everybody, there finally the ravage comes out.
Tofu's not able to get there now, Hasuka, he jumped into this, wanting to use the agonim scepter, not able to do so just yet.
Tofu's here now, so this could buy the space, the big blink, takes the Hasuka to the far side of the fight.
The Gans trying to close in on top of him, brings the Ravens veil in the damage and they get the kill on Hasuka.
All of a sudden, Kiritich has a double kill to his name as he's shown up for the first fight.
And the Shackles drop from safe onto ace as well as Eki.
Both of them are going to be eviscerated.
Kiritich with an ultra kill at the 16 minute mark.
It's just a disaster for Liquid.
What an amazing set of events for a Bat-Boom-Jit.
You saw that the Queen of Pin was fake-pumping, right?
Like, he stood on the high ground, fake-pumped the blink.
He had the ward on the enemy high ground as well.
So he knew exactly when Huskar will jump and the whole point of leaking back all the way back is to
Separate the Huskar from the Oracle Oracle cannot connect. Huskar dies teamfight literally just the syndicates for a liquid
Well, let's see that again
The worst part about this was how quickly Mickey died. I
Feel like after Mickey if this is happening, I think they maybe she was just disengaged like Mickey died this early on
There's no way you can continue this fight. Look at you PK. Look at the fake pump. Huh? Huh?
Oh no, yeah, we don't have the times when you could
TP base and have husk are follow you to the fountain anymore, but this is
Something that we still have
That was so sick
Also shout out to Kiritage for throwing out the the talent unto tofu to silence and so you couldn't get off that false promise
set up a very well one fight for Bed Boom 98 is the scoreline
this was one fight that I feel had to go well for Liquid because yeah sure they
lost the Alchemist at the beginning but there was no ravage and the Aghanim
Scepter from Huskar was available to kind of surprise Bed Boom but it didn't
work the trap that they set wasn't good enough
Katomi, just put a blink dagger on the Winter Wyvern.
Not something that you see every day, having a blink this early on the Wyvern.
Will be super effective against both Alchemists as well as the Husker.
It's good. I think the blink dagger on Wyvern is like one of the core builds.
Whenever this hero is played as a support, there's a couple of builds that you can go for.
go for Limmer, Aetherlands or Blink, basically you need to be in the range, for the Curse
and for Cold Embrace of course. And you can't compromise your position while doing so.
Team Liquid smoke up, so the BedBoom team. Logo is the first one down, save is going
to come across the frog. Kiritich is here as well, the rest of BedBoom team are now
coming, he's completely surrounded on the Logo, there's absolutely no way out of
This one, he's gonna die, Team Liquid were thinking maybe we connect but absolutely no chance of that happening.
That looked like a bait but he died way too quickly.
Maybe they can transform this into a rush, they have gash, not a lot of damage but with the gash, with Dezo, from Kaz, it's enough.
Really Aegis in the offing for them.
As he died, Ace did at least receive the second agonim scepter, so that's something.
But I'm looking at the alchemist's net worth at the very bottom.
We need some time to still get to the blink BKB.
Meantime, there's already a BKB on Kitteditch.
I think the major difference here, of course, the Queen of Pain being super active from the mid lane
and having so much burst damage, all kinds of damage really through the game
to prevent liquid from playing 4 against 5.
Sometimes a team doesn't possess enough in their firepower to fight even when an Alchemist is just chilling and farming an axe.
But they play the tempo well. They go the first stages, BKB plus Aegis on Kass.
What do you do? BKB is also being built up by GPK. You almost have the agonist of the Tidehunter as well. Consecrated, Raps plus Ags.
aggs. I feel like they kind of just start moving into taking these towers. Liquid will
not be ready to stop them just yet.
The network as you can see is fairly even. Echie.
Okay, the sonic waves brought down by Katahomie and GPK. It's not even the whole team. The
rest of the team was just taking down the Tormentor.
This is the second sonic wave that goes his way by J.Lion, you think. The second
one, but they also get the tormentor for a save. Overall, they're doing what they
want to do on the map. Whatever they wish they can go for. Two heroes getting
the kill, three heroes getting an objective. It's going to continue being
this way. I feel like for Liquid to take a fight, they're already in a spot where
Alchemist needs to join. And he cannot. Like it's an Alchemist. Okay at least he
has a blink now, so maybe he can. Two agonims plus blink Alchemist. It's
It's risky without his BKB though.
Was there a BKB being built by Nisha? He was thinking about going for the blink dagger first but
I think the way that the game is unfolding, they're like, yeah man, we kinda need BKB more than the blink.
If they managed to take the fight pre-Rosh, then the blink would make sense, but right now.
Nisha in an awkward place right now, tofu. Can he stay safe behind him? Nisha's getting gone on.
We're buying some time. He turns on Kiritich. Throws in these burning spears and Kiritich will okay. It cares never mind
He's all good. He's fine. Raptor dance being triggered off right now
There's a gale force to hold these heroes back, but he did find the earth back onto the high ground
Look at Mickey though. The shackle shot from save connects directly onto the alchemist
The ravage was there as well. But Kiritich unable to stick onto Mickey. So alchemists will keep living ace strumming a song of salvation
Salvation will allow liquid to retreat. They hit this power spike
With the Cassange agonies level 12 on Largo. It's there
but
Even though the network doesn't really look that large it's 3k advantage for radiant it's versus an alchemist
So it's a pretty significant advantage already, and they have an ages. So it's hard to take a fight
you saw the
Holt on Kaz was pretty good from Huskar called embrace though completely negated it plus the BKB already used by Kaz
You have your work cut out for you make a to carry this game
I'll have the BKB soon. We don't really have helped in that last engagement. They still need a bit more time
Nero's going straight for the blink dagger. They understand that they need to keep I keep applying this pressure
Keep taking the fight to Team Liquid. Keep playing on this out of the map. Just deny them easy access to these camps.
Make them scared and have to head back into the base all the time.
Liquid, for them to take a fight, I think Wyvern needs to die.
This hero just has to be eliminated first, and you don't have any easy ways of getting on top.
If you have a Blink on Alchemist, then Blink on Lion, but Titehunter is just a wall in front.
Tier 2 tower being taken.
Looks like all the hopes and dreams about having an even game, it's the wrong day for that ladies and gentlemen.
Today is a day of stumps and it's going the way so far of BedBoom team.
For now, there's still something to look forward if you're a Liquid fan.
Of course, the BKB on the Alchemist will be done soon, but the BKB on Largo as well is a huge power spike for them.
They're just splitting the map and buying time for the Aegis to expire and for these two big items to come online.
And of course the BKB and Haskar is, needless to say, super necessary.
Now there's a BKB on the Queen of Pain, and we already saw what can happen if Haskar tries to aggress into a BKB hero, at least at this stage of the game.
They just completely shrug them off.
It's just layers. They have layers on, on Radiant.
Layers of saves, layers of taking teamfights in different ways and most of the damage is burst.
That's something that Largoo doesn't really excel against, like this hero is really good at prolonged fights where he's able to slowly
riddle you down to slowly heal all of his teammates.
I can't just pose you up with a sonic wave and ravage, so you don't get the time to actually showcase your
skillset.
Almost had the agglins on the cares right now.
Man, Kiritich. This is a night and day difference from how Game 1 was going. Game 1, he was the
one that was consigned to the jungle, forced to try and recovery farm. Here, he's the
one on the map pushing the tempo.
They already smoked up, by the way. No BKB Largo, BKB on Huskar, and BKB on Alchemists.
They're still willing to take the fight.
Yeah, they know the ages just expired. This could be a time that they catch Bedroom
by surprise. Unfortunately, all this aggression from Bedroom has deprived Team Liquid
of positive vision so you smoke but where do you go you can see the Vivern
already knows the way he's playing he's just sitting behind the trees using
splinter blast night will connect but they cannot use the smoke any longer as
it's gone so they won't have that night advantage with vision
25 minutes in team liquid still have yet to take a positive fight on their
own terms most of these girls that they found were in the earlier portion of the
game
you show though there's ever gonna be a game where you can recover on Huskos has
to be this one GPK BKB okay that's a nine second or just gone he hoped for a
better connection because even though they have no words another thing that
What is really cool about the draft that Batmuln has got is just getting free vision from some random two spells, one being Gush, from Titehunter with Aghanins, like Constant Spam, and another one is Powershot.
So they're basically all the time using these two spells to just get some info on the map.
This could be a moment. They're smoked again on Team Liquid.
Kiritich picks up a shield rune. How unfortunate.
They don't actually have Windranger and the Queen of Pain here. This could have been great, but this shield rune, look how much work it's doing.
Kataromi comes back through with the Winter's Curse onto Nisha.
Nisha trying to get back into this fight. There is a false promise on top of him. Now GPK gets involved.
Goes out of big Sonic wave. Miki is here as well. His BKB going, but no damage output is emerging from Team Liquid.
They're trying to get out of here, Mero has blink ravage, but with Kiritich somewhat low
on HP, they do decide they'd rather just call it quits.
All 3BKBs used on Dair's side, on Radiant's side, Kiritich did use his, but he stayed
alive of course.
A much different game than what we usually see.
Just a lot of saves and supports, so it's very difficult to take down targets comfortably
and quickly.
So that's shield room that you mentioned, just most likely saving cuts.
Yeah, oh for sure.
He doesn't get the shield room there.
I mean he felt like a third HP.
He definitely dies if he doesn't have the shield room.
But it is, they had the board on top.
They knew where he was, but a bit late.
Okay.
Now starting to get into AC.
They really need this alchemist to come and clutch in this game.
Unfortunately, if Ikky doesn't have the perfect stun at the beginning of the fight, it's not
like the Huskar always can be forced the perfect fight for himself.
The openings need to be made elsewhere.
It's going to take some time before Liquid are really ready to try and make that happen.
Unfortunately, time they might not have is Kiritage going into a Lincoln Sphere as
well.
He saw what could happen and he's like, that's the last time I put myself in that
position again.
It is scary when you can't move and Huskar is hitting you, so
Lincoln's definitely is worth it
Next big objective is rush guaranteed to respond within a minute and a half
So probably something to look towards if you're bad boom, maybe a smoke before to
Get some sort of a pick off like all the items more or less are there the next big item
Of course for them is the bloodstone on Queen of Pain the standard build we saw it in the last co-op game as well
She's well on her way. No one's gonna interrupt her. Pretty much almost has it. Not that much
more gold to farm. And she knows for a fact that Liquid right now still want to be farming.
They have an Alchemist in the Husker trying to catch up. But do you think this is like,
kind of a cave for Liquid? They're playing an Alchemist job, sure. But they've been
pressured so heavily and now they kind of have space for this Alchemist to actually
recover and get some items of his own. As a hyperstone by the way in the career as well.
One thing that we always talk about Alchemist is this carry that just gives aggroinceptors.
This is actually a really strong carry as well because of the aggroinceptor being given.
He gets a lot of damage from the given aggroinceptor. He starts to scale a bit better than he
used to. He's given space.
I suppose for the side of Team Liquid, they're like, okay guys, we lost our tier 2 tower bottom at 25 minutes, but we haven't lost any more real estate since.
We still have areas of the map that we can farm. We got this Huskar to a somewhat reasonable place. He's not dominating the game, but he's not feeding the game either.
We managed to slow it down.
Saitanik will be the next item for the Huskar. Do you feel that Huskar is still like super
early oriented or he can scale?
I think it's different now. I think it scales a little bit better. It's not as full. The
first 15 minutes on there is like completely game defining as they used to be for the
hero. They are routes back into the game nowadays.
30 rune and be an inverse stolen by Miro
It's dusted up, but Nisha inside of the gale force is trying to get him out of the catchy leg
Nisha was to go back on the time until with the ultimate. Can he kill Miro before the ravaging murders? Yes, he can
Force promise will also keep him alive towards the very end and now here comes Mickey looking towards GPK whose BKB is running low
So he needs to leave that's a massive kill because Roshan is just moved to them
them, inviting them over, basically, or they can smoke up and go for another pick-off.
Katohami knows, he tries to avoid this, he gets hexed though.
Can he leave this area?
They don't manage to find him, he gets to the low ground.
The Arctic burn helping him fly away, and Micky almost self-stunned, so forced to
pop the BKB to survive this.
Yeah, the Gale 4 was also really good.
It prevented them from following through very quickly.
I expected them maybe to go into the pit immediately, but they still can.
This was a massive win for Liquid.
tight hunter does not have a buyback. There's no power shot to mess with them as they're in the pit.
I'm sure or. It's 20 seconds before a tight hunter returns and Nisha he thinks to himself this
is not dying fast enough. We'll have another go. That's a very good proof of concept that was
demonstrated right. If a hero doesn't have BKB and Huskaz actually able to get on top of them
that hero will die. It was dangerous but that hero was also tight hunter so if they can take
Take down Tide, they can take down basically anyone on the side of that boom.
If they manage to combine the same spells together again, that was a finger as well.
Another good thing for Team Liquid is the gem that they picked up from the Tide Hunters,
so they have it on the hot-scar now.
Nisha, once a Titanic, after he finishes off, is this a casual plate meal?
Looks like it.
Looks like it, yeah.
Not something that is, like we've seen some casual Ultimate Warps today on Vipers, but this is a bit more common.
Ravage, they found a backline, they wanted to find an isolated tofu and they've got it.
Now Nisha, feeling very isolated on the front line, gets ripped to pieces by Kiddich.
Lyon uses the TP attempt, but unfortunately Katahomie is right there with the Winter's Curse.
Three heroes down, now it's their path towards Roshan that is wide open for Batboo.
Yeah, for a moment it looked kind of alright for Liquid again. It looked like they were completely back in the game, but
just perfectly execute the teamfights. They found the Oracle, something that Liquid have been struggling with, finding the
Winter Rhymer at the beginning of the fight, but Boom made it look pretty damn simple.
Not going to be so simple next time, he is going to have access to the Aeondas.
So in the next fight
Tofu, even if he gets jumped first, will not be the one that dies.
and man Nisha I can just look at the look on his face he's like oh snap that's
not what's supposed to happen my salvation is dead I'm gonna get out of
here
second ages now in the hands of kids
Nick it jumping directly onto Katowani as we could be to work with
Shackleshot though odd lashes onto the hell there giving Katowani the
opportunity to just get out of there. So physical from Alchemist so there was almost no damage
to go through. Yes, there is one thing that can go through but it wasn't enough so the
blink that happened from the Vibrant. Is it worth banning the save Windranger? I think
it's worth it. If the hero can be flexed. Just banning out Windrangers there's just
There's so many good heroes right now that you have to get rid of.
Something that Bitt mentioned, like there's always something you have to give to them.
So this time around you don't give them Rubik, but you give them the Windranger.
Which would you rather play against, the Rubik or his Windranger?
I think Windranger.
Rubik is too good of a spot right now.
Maybe in some different patch, definitely Rubik, but in this one, he's very strong.
I'm gonna try and leverage the strength of their line-up as Bed Boom smoke up
Hunting in the jungle. There's an observable ward that could protect Mickey if he's faster than off on the blink
Hasgadro! He could be another target
He can back off with the Alchemist
Topu is not here. He's only now wandering outside the base
But finally the call is made that hey guys, we don't see anybody on the map
I think the only one that did show was Kaz on top like he outposed the lane
The moment he shows you know that there is somewhere in his vicinity
So they fall back they continue farming on the opposite side of the map
This is a turtle they will not be defending probably for the best. You're still playing into an ages
Khez is so farmed
Kiddich has access to the DKB Ags Lincoln's mage layer loading straight into the swift blink and the ice blessing I
I feel like to actually kill this hero fast enough you need multiple disables at the same time and silences right so he can't proc his ulti, raptor dance but you also need to deal with the linkens and then on top of all of that you're dealing with the winter rider.
And the ward planted middle by Tofu, making sure that they can see the cares wandering
through this area.
Nisha will show for a second.
They know that Miro is not afraid of doing the jump ravage.
That's why Tofu is backing up.
But he had the A on this, though.
Ace, Ace, going in, catch a lick, out onto Miro.
Sonic Wave coming in from GPK, he'll block the unstable concoction with the BKB
and say it gets two heroes caught with the shackles.
They're forced to use the false promise on the Ace.
I mean there's nothing left for Nisha.
The Haskar is down, Kiritich brought him low.
Now he's still going deep into the fight,
but look at this, Winterscourts holding Nike in position.
They almost killed GPK, but that's gonna save him.
Allow Kiritich to maybe go in,
get as much damage out of the Echo Slash as possible.
Alchemist is down, Oracle is dead too.
He's still running away, but slowed down by the AoE
Gush, killed off by the Scream of Pain.
Four heroes are dead,
and honestly I wouldn't be surprised
Very soon we see the Gs being dropped.
Akki is behind, he's maybe thinking about creep skipping by getting the next wave
so they can't really push all too well.
But fortify doesn't work, like they have cold embrace, right?
So even if you fortify the wave, they can still save one of the creeps with the cold embrace
and they should be able to push almost 9k damage by the way, by Krinoc.
The idea from Team Liquid was to go in and force all the aggression on the frog.
You know, break a couple of blinks, but look at the titans, they're completely disengaging.
And then at the right moment when the blink is back, he goes back in and gets a triple ravage.
And you have to choose, like all three targets are kind of equally valuable. Who do you use the Oracle ult on?
I think maybe it should have been on the Huskar.
Yeah. Really good, a winters curse as well, because it only saves GPK's life.
Make sure that the damage can keep coming out.
Now we're forced into a buyback territory, Ekki actually did die, so it turned into a team wipe in the long run.
Only one side for now has been taken by Batgul. Still, there is some life in Team Liquid, 13k difference with an Alchemist though.
Never a good state for the Alchemist team.
So what's the plan right now? If you're on the side of Team Liquid, which item are we waiting for that actually allows us to take a fight?
There's like a singular item that I can see making a small difference, and that's the Abyssal on Alchemist.
Overall, I don't think it's only items, I think it's levels. And Penel was joking and laughing about level 25s, right?
But for Liquid, they might be the saving grace. At this point, the teamfights are way too difficult,
but perhaps once you get Largo to his level 25, his 5 levels away by the way.
If you do manage to get to the 30% amphibian rhapsody song effects talent, it's a massive increase in the heals, in the damage.
Maybe something to look towards at least.
Something very scary just happened. Katowomie has the Aion disc.
Can you were mentioning earlier that the key to victory for their fights is getting rid of him first?
How do you do that now? Once he has this available? Impossible. You don't...
At least...
Impossible before he uses all of his spells.
It's buying a refresher by the way on top
Look at the HP pulls of these heroes Queen of Pain 4.2k
Almost 4k on the tide 3 on the cares. Good god. He's really tanky boys
And that's before they're getting healed up by the Winter Wyvern
And the heal of course is percentage grade from Wyvern so
It helps when the heroes you're healing are also tanky and there's like just ease of execution
When you're playing on one side, when you're playing this Oracle, Tofu needs to be always on the trigger finger,
to get that false promise off because heroes die in seconds.
On the other side, it takes a while until a target dies, so that's called embrace.
You can chill a little bit.
Even just bait them further, we saw on that last fight our GPK was doing.
One lane of Rax down in the mid lane.
Roshan only gets confirmation of his return in a minute.
So back to farming we go.
Bat boom team in a very comfortable position right now.
Kira tit is literally almost maxed out.
So we get the blessing now.
I mean, afterward what do we get?
Some Daedalus here?
It would make sense.
Like Daedalus is usually the item forecast.
Some extra damage like he's already maxed out to be honest.
Like with the swift blink.
And of course he has a Flare's motor.
At this point it's more about the execution than anything else.
Enchanter's bubble, by the way, on the Tidehunter, so this man knows he's already preparing.
Like we've had a lot of long games.
The 12k net worth lead against Alchemist Draft.
What does Gaben say in terms of the win percentage here?
76?
It feels more than 76, right? Surely this is like a 90-10 game.
Pretty much. I don't know though, Liquid, don't count them all. They're still only one side down.
There's still some way for them to get back into this game.
And they have a hero that farms extremely fast, but isn't really maxed out yet.
So as time passes, Alchemist is actually benefiting from all of this.
He's the one that gets the most out of the map, even with the small amount of camps that he has on his side of the map.
He's still getting a lot of farm, heading for the Swiftlink next after the Abyssal.
Let's see what this Alchemist is going to be able to achieve here.
Alki.
The hero we've seen make a whole miracle out of before, but...
By the way, Alchemist Aghanim Scepter has made me think about Oracle.
So how do you feel about his deck of cards?
The Diviner's deck.
Oh, the Diviner's deck?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
That's how I feel about it.
It's an interesting idea.
Yeah, the concept is interesting.
Concept is it's different.
Let's be...
If it was a bit more reliable, then I think it could be really good, but the
The fact that it's random, it's like this doesn't help anybody.
GPK making sure the Sonic Wave button still works?
I guess you do know what the card will be, right? On the Oracle Agonyms, that is.
So you can use it, I guess.
It's still long of a cool down, I don't know, it's weird.
90 seconds is a long time.
It was like 30 seconds, it could be really good.
It lane GPK?
GPK.
Not gonna get caught by Nisha, save of course gonna be there.
The shackle shot and Kers just jumping in trying to get the Echo Slash and the Raptor
Dance out onto Nisha.
They're also gonna look towards the back lines.
There's a Winters Curse on Tofu.
A on this.
But now Miro comes through, huge ravage.
The Raptor don tears through Eki.
They demolish the Tofu Oracle.
Next to Fall is gonna be Ace.
All of a sudden Mikkei finding himself fighting by his lonesome, tries to retreat onto
the high ground gets easily chased by Miro and Kiritich. He is caught, he is surrounded
and it might take a while, but eventually he will be killed on this alchemist. Misha now
also held in place. There's going to be the Gale Force. Cairns comes right back in
with the grappling cord, killing him off, a double for the Cairns, a team wipe for BedBoom
Team.
This was an attempt from Liquid to get something done up with the Satanic from the
husk are but even just positioning Queen of Pain the way they did right like they all they need
on the side of Batbom is information yeah and they put the pop up front because what we what did
we say like they cannot die quickly enough not even cold embrace was used on her instead
Katomi used the info to jump in the back lines and to use the curse onto the oracle yeah because
even though you're in this gets propped you're popped you're still in the curse so the
the ravage follows through.
Well, team liquid right now discussing what to do in game three.
Asking some interesting questions about the effectiveness of this Huskar.
Yeah, the Huskar and honestly the dynamic that Queen of Pain and Alchemist have got in the current patch.
I think this more often than not goes quaps away. I think this hero gets way too much done.
You buy back from the Alchemist, Mikkei wants to mount a token defense here,
and Hasuka is about to respawn.
But, Mikkei won't...
I don't really want to force this, there will be a two hero spiked.
Mikkei is on top of GPK, GPK is falling rather low.
There's a cold embrace with the BKB being active.
Haste zoning back the rest of the team, Nisha jumped forward,
but a winters curse immediately in onto the Hasuka,
GPK able to get a sonic wave to push these heroes,
and a Gale force more or less to prevent them from chasing.
Bat Boom, making it extremely hard for Liquid to get even the slightest amount out of this game.
The book of days ago, he's still trying to get something done at least, desperately using the songs to follow Tide,
but won't get anything in the end.
The cold embrace to prevent the first initial jump, and then after the huskars ult happens,
just a perfect counter initiation by the curse from Bat Boom.
boom this draft of theirs like everything comes together so nicely in team fights like I think
you hit the nail on the head when you said that this was about Huskar because if Huskar had like a
free lane it's a win because Queen of Pain is completely shut down and Agonyms is free to farm
Well, the rest of your heroes are at the left-hand base.
I think it's GG, guys.
I'm fucking alright.
Hmm.
Yep.
I sit to your Oscar player saying that, that's not what you wanted here, but Nisha will
still try something inside the Roshan pit.
Unfortunately, Roshan just threw him away, said, brother, go back to the fountain
pit.
One last fight, I guess.
We're trying to contest rush.
Mega creeps, of course, something that you have to worry about as well.
is completely exposed what will they do on the side of liquid they have to take
this fight right like this is how they have ravaged DKB they have the kata only
winters curse save it just keeps counting you blocking the blink daggers
there's the dead in the water to just block off make a sonic wave will be there
tofu will get out some spells but now look at the GPK free to jump in onto
They just want to kill Tophu first and for most, Ravage comes through once again, stunning everybody, as Nisha, finding himself, unfortunately, fighting the kids, but it doesn't even matter.
The base is destroyed, GG, well played, as expected, it's a stomp, and we're going to game 3.
Right, it was a checkmate position in the end, they couldn't defend the throne and fight Rush at the same time, but boom man, they anticipated this HotScar pick and countered it perfectly.
Perfectly, perfect game from them Shiva. I beg you. I beseech you. Can I get one even game today?
If I knew how to how to make that happen
I would have done it a long time ago
This was once again a one-sided game this time in favor of bedroom and it was
Pretty clear from the get-go that they knew exactly what they were doing and with they I mean save save made
Nisha's life hell at the start of the game already. There are two things with this game a stop number one save on the mid lane
Going for that double lane like you mentioned they done it before in the past against the house
Go it worked out this time just buying time being a nuisance and number two
Miro the tight hunter he identified the needs to lock down that Oracle and find him at start the fight
And he did yeah, whoo. He did he also did have atrocious time because he he was pretty much
getting the DM treatment from the off-lane back in part of vision days where he was
wasn't really having a laning partner he was all alone it was like radiance
almost 11 minutes in he was ready to give another axe in like two three
minutes but then again other lanes they're doing more than fine like you
have caretich because everybody else seems like they need to be helping out
to this huskar this is it's the old the problem that you kind of created
yourself by picking this hero and you do deserve it. And everything about Liquid's lineup is about
play through the husker. You've got the lago that's going to croak him up, you've got to out give
ags, be it to lago or husker, depending on the combination. They did give husker the first
agonins, which actually even led to Nisha jumping over the river, following I believe it was
the clock to then death. And for Liquid it's like, win the lane, break open the map, get the
yank, go go go, Aegis galore. But BV they had the fight, they had the team fight, the execution,
the understanding the lane setup and when you look at both drafts if liquid isn't snowballing you will have to lean towards bb
right there yeah simplicity of keds the teamfight of wyvern and tigenter the shackle shots of save
They were on point the entire game. They were also like kez recent changes in the patch
It's a wall of text. You don't even have to read it
You check a couple of games that the professional e-gamers are playing
You're like, oh, this year is still a beat because it does feel very good.
Like, sure, you don't have like debuff immunity on your raptor dance.
Who cares? Like, you're still doing so much in every single fight.
And what an ending. This was a very good ending.
The creeps pretty much ended it for them because Team Liquid,
it seems like they were not aware of it.
I think they were aware.
They were.
We had the listening. Nisha said, lads, I think it's GG.
Yeah.
It's, you know, let the creeps put them out of their misery.
They still go for the fight and that's admirable, but at the end of the day it was cheaper. Yes, surely sure
No, don't start with that word to do a different one
please
Game six not be a stomp. I beg Valahia. Okay, like we have incredible doda, right?
Valahia's it just created but today we're just getting the stomp the back the fourth the the teams they get what they want
and they just demolished. And it's not even full moon. However save demolished so beautifully.
I if I can watch a person play Windranger every single game it would be safe. Yeah his inventory
looks like what you do you know the overwatch when you're checking for report cases like he'd
inventory look like someone you'd be reporting but it was great this game. He got kill force as
well from the first storm mentor extremely farmed shackleshoots were landing like the
way he was playing like mid and then harassing Misha put down the sentry on the hill making
making sure that there's not going to be observed coming out from them, plus also, he flanks the bottom lane, like two or three times, he grabs a kill, grabs another kill, grabs another assist from that one, it's just he's all over the place, you know, that they're kind of playing 4v5, maybe even 3v5, because Alchemist, he wants to chill, he wants to farm, but the rest of the team, they got to do something, they got to address the problem.
And one of the problems that Liquid at some point have to deal with was the free farming queen of pain and we can see it a little bit
Yeah, it was it was not fun like a five minutes in it's
3325 compared to 18 and what he did sneak at that one deny
Like at the start straight away and then he noped out into the jungle straight away
But if we fast forward to see how this played out for team liquid is
Alchemist he was just free farming and then 15 minutes in you see the network
He is about to receive his aggitim scepter
I'm not sure if it's like showing here
But the big gold influx for 15 minutes in because he is getting that aggitim is for free
And we're gonna be seeing the fight that did happen like at this point of the time they have the lead
maybe it would have been better if they gave that agonist scepter to Largova
because this is go time for Nisha. He's about to jump in that agonist scepter.
Wow!
And then he's out of range from Tofu and Tofukran see?
He got the kill. I mean I can understand why they try to go for it because it is a three second taunt
then you can follow it up with the silence but also they got a respect to damage from Karate.
At this point of the time he doesn't have this already yet, but he still has mage there
He still has the right clicks katana. It just keeps stacking up
In I have a quick question quick question because we saw this was the agonies first
Yeah
Would it have been better on the Largo or that wouldn't have changed the fight
This is good fight the fight we just watched even like let's say Largo had it here TPN
Hasco is still jumping and it's like you're getting ravaged and cursed and big lockdown. I don't even think
Largo would have had a timing
I think their timings would have been like the second third item on all heroes rather than being like just one action go like they needed
Just a lot of more economy. I think okay. There's another moment
We'd like to relive with you guys and includes a tired hunt. Yeah
I just wanted to humanize the pro players for a second and basically just show that they can make mistakes too
Because uh all winter wyvern players have been in this position before they have pressed cold embrace on an ally
and watch the teammate die. So here, Katomi first is stacking, keep it, keep it going, keep it up, keep it up, and time's dead.
So, that was it. I just wanted to show the clip, to show that guys, went to Wyvern players out there.
It's okay to make a code and birth at that. He might have even died without the code and birth.
There's a reason why we don't see this hero being played, even though it feels good, especially with the recent changes.
It is a hero that can't go reef, like, with two spells. It's pretty much the only hero in the game that can do so.
But after that he clutched up he showed why it's really good, you know, he's hitting these great curses even getting ones on tofu with cause next to it so he had a great game after again I just wanted to make sure that everyone watching they don't think pros are you know these beacons of perfection.
Well, we've seen both teams get demolished one after another.
So Beacon's up perfection, maybe not really there.
But we're going to find out which one of these two teams is just
the better team today in game number three of this VESA 3
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Hey everybody. We are asking the experts yet again.
Today we brought Jenkins for top five heroes
you might see here that you should not play in your pubs.
Maybe Sand King.
Sand King?
Yeah.
Why is that?
It's an easy one.
Because pro players are stacking camps for you.
Ah.
And in pubs it's just not gonna happen.
Okay, okay.
Great answer.
Number four.
Well let's say like Oracle.
Oracle.
I'll say Oracle, yeah.
Are people picking that here?
I think against Batrider.
I see, I see.
Okay, that's a fair one.
That's a rough one.
Um, let's see.
Yeah, I feel like Doom.
Doom.
Doom is kind of hard.
Is he?
You can pick one guy and you kill that guy,
but it's like in competitive,
you know that there's some like Tai Lung
or Prodigy on the team.
You take that very important guy.
Yeah, in pubs, you kind of have to like identify
like who's the guy.
And sometimes there's like two of them
or you don't know, because everyone's making stupid mistakes.
Sure.
So just killing one guy is you need somebody that
can kill everyone.
Great explanation, number two.
I'll pick Lone Druid as my second one.
Yeah, Lone Druid is number two.
Interesting.
Why should you not play Lone Druid?
You should not play Lone Druid, because your team is
definitely going to report you for being a guy that has
the main guy somewhere else forming,
and then the bear killing people.
All right, so number one hero that we saw here,
that you probably shouldn't play at home.
Pudge.
Why should you not play Pudge in a pub?
People are gonna do it anyway.
If you miss your first few hooks, you're fucked.
It's just over.
It's like legitimately over,
and then you're just back to old F tier Pudge.
If you're not getting kills
and you're not gonna get kills in pubs, it's not bad.
Do you genuinely think anyone that plays Pudge
cares if they miss the first few hooks?
No, they're doing it all the time.
Okay, well, the piece was worthless.
Thank you guys so much for watching.
Nice. And lower bracket is hard.
Both games though, they kind of had both teams get exposed a little bit.
And I'm very curious where game three will go, because we've seen both teams get demolished.
And the overarching factor for both games, could it be pinpointed at just draft?
Oh, they're not sure.
I think it's something patch related that at least I can't answer yet. I could bullshit you say that
Just go for it. Go for the bullshit answer. Let's see. I don't even have the bullshit answer. That's the problem
It's one of the few times where I don't have like anything rare guys. Yeah watching a rarity right here
No, I tell you game one wasn't really draft. I think it was more on play
I think BB could have played a lot better with their heroes liquid did
No showcase why they are an incredible team just to break them apart so early in game two
Maybe you could make an argument towards draft
I think as soon as you saw it get into motion the inability for liquid to run into about a team fight that BB had become a very
Apparent problem. They not only needed agonies, but they needed bkb's and then blinks on the supports
It was so much so maybe game two you could argue draft game one it very much was play
hopefully hopefully game three we break the curse that we have had upon our
evening panel and we can find ourselves a back-and-forth game both games were won
by a radiant side second-picked you try to pull out the lacquer answer no I'm
trying to just add some extra stats to okay to it oh yeah I should have looked
at was it radiant both sides if you ask me she ever it's not gonna be balanced
answer because I'm a big fan of radiant for the last 20 plus years I see dire I'm
immediately pissed off that's the anger side yes yes that is all all right so
this time around radiant second pick is liquid so we can call it right here no
yeah I mean makes our job a lot easier yeah we have got of course the bands and
the pick first pick already on our screens we have got the rubik coming
out with the opening pick we got the lone druid slaughter and alchemist out so
we're back to how it was in game one yes yes no that's fine in game one it was
also rubik the first pick the answer that time by liquid was phoenix but they
did have a dawn breaker in that game and we did name ace the MVP on his dawn
breaker that time around so potentially that was just so important
they wanted to at first phase pick at this time around Tegav, what's on your mind?
I just like the the bands from BV right, they get the dawn break immediately, yeah like boom
hoodwink tusk, the most aggressive force that you could argue Ekki plays for laying phase,
dawn breaker wants aggression in the laying, she wants to be able to step up to the carrying
goat, I can out CS you and out fight you because of my fall position, so now Ekki's
gonna have to go hmm where can I find that? Yeah position four right now does feel
relatively limited. If you don't get the hands on big hoodwink, it does feel slightly, I would say
limited, but you can actually pick. We've seen some like good coddle performances. We've seen
Io in a couple of games as well. A lion in the previous game, it was not on pair with Rubik
nor hoodwink performances so far. Well, I just look forward to the point in time where Liquid
go full global, right? Like they get themselves later picks like Io with the tiny and then
and then you have like, nature's profit.
Sure, I mean, you technically could play on the mid lane, but I am just seeing a world where we get to see that style of aggression from Liquid.
I wanted to see Silencer in the previous game. I think Silencer completely slaps this game as well, especially because you're playing with the Kes and Lane.
You want to have a strong support. It also shuts down all the heroes.
heroes like you can go for Maiden as well but then you don't have maybe like
something that can stun you in the lane. They go for Wyvern again.
Silencer was already banned.
Silencer was banned that's right Sheaver because it's a it's a good take you
would counter both of them. It was banned in game number one that is correct
as well back to me because I I think Wyvern is also very good because it
does allow you to land.
But it was good as Silencer.
Yeah and not as good as Silencer but it's definitely up there because it
It does allow you to land a two-man curse, whoever is getting saved, it does allow you
to just click that button and it's going to come off.
It's going to be a setup for any other spells.
Yep.
Just simply in lane, code embrace, time break, a dome breaker, you go for the aggression,
done.
Cursed, good, code embrace, good.
You don't have enough damage.
like 160 plus the max HP which should be around 200 ish on relatively short cooldown so it
feels really good and you don't have that much damage early on like you have a stick
maybe you have a lotus as well so you can't really kill a hero.
Yeah so just whittling down your opponent's damage over time so I feel like the one pick
will feel really nice based on the points that Lacoste mentioned with the ultimate
and also the heal. Very very easy pick I think for BB.
In the first game, of course it was Tusk joining at this point, but that is banned out already.
Tiny was the other one they picked up in this phase, they'll do so again.
They also had Queen of Pain in that game in particular, if they wanted to go for that early.
But we'll see, probably another position 4 that they will go for this time.
can see it there's a lot of the supports by now. Phoenix is not global. He is. He turns
daytime. There we go. All right. Sure. Yes, you win. You're getting really sorry. You're
all the global. It can't actually be global because it's a sun. It doesn't reach. It
can reach half the globe. So it's not fully global. I thought we were flat. Only for
flat yet. Are we happy with this because this is a different type of combination with the
Dawnbreaker? Yeah, it's fine. It's more like the it would just be the lion that will just
secure the lane for Dawnbreaker. It's the hero that will go in right now. There's of course
I got excited by IO, but your entire draft would have been kind of awkward potentially
line you just jump in, I will start the fight, I will tank a curse or something. The fear
I have for Liquid is that you are running into the same amount of teamfight from the second
game. Right Hunter and Winter Wyvern will be able to counterplay any line or tiny initiation
with Solar Guardian on top. You're kind of setting up BB to take the fight on top
of you. Yeah, you always know that someone will be caught in the curse if you curse
the person that gets Donalded.
Liquid needs to just be ruthless with their initiation.
When they get the silver edge, probably the blink on the tiny because Mika likes to buy
that.
It's like you see Hero, you jump, you do everything in your power to kill them.
So even if they do counter play you, you have the number advantage.
It just has to be very clean fighting from them.
I do respect that they still removed the Huskar from the pool even though they
just demolished it.
Yeah, they're going to respect it.
Ember Queen of Pain beat the team they have the pick out of the face so they will probably get to choose there's also
Puck available, so I would say between these three they have still a very good choice
Also Rubik isn't as good at dual laning in the mid lane right win ranger
You've got power short your win run ways to kind of get in and out poke the husker if you put a rubik there
It you might even just die to the husker if he buys boots and run you down
The puck is out. On the side of Liquid, is there still also the potential that Tiny will
be putting the mid lane? We saw that from no one earlier today. It wasn't great.
It's just not it. Every single game that I saw, except for that one game where Nisha played it,
I think. It looked good, but maybe he was... I don't think we can use Lucky and Nisha in the
same sentence, but I feel like the hero is just not meant to be played from the mid lane
at the moment. Yeah I'd like to see like a storm spirit or something from the mid right just
you know jump onto the backline find the winter wyvern you can buy sheaves if you want just for
the vision aspect to find these supports that will always be hugging the tree line
and that's the type of mid I want and it also ensures that ekki isn't the only initiator
but the way that's tiny initiator itemizes blink is like after what two three pretty big items
it depends I think I've seen good amounts of dinos especially mc to pick up the blink
I feel like Silveredge echoed Blink, right?
No, he did go for Echo Blink as well.
So he has better positioning, can't jump at the back,
because then he goes back because you can still upgrade the Blink later on
if we're talking about the six items as well.
But not only that, we do need to think about
are we killing the tide at the moment into all tide at Silveredge?
I would argue, probably not.
But that's perfectly fine if you are always finding the kez,
breaking down the upper areas of the map,
which again needs an active net like the storms for it you have room for all
and bird co-op like anything that can jump both of these teams are looking
pretty much for the same type of a hero mm-hmm yeah which is also why it takes so
long to think about what to ban because this is this is five-head drafting
you have to think like what do we ban and what will they ban in return with
them we can pick and what will they pick and you have to do all the math
and predicting it's actually kind of like you know the puzzle we give a
child with the different blocks and you put it into the box it's just that with the spirit it's the one
trying to fit in like the square one into the yeah exactly yeah doesn't everything fit into the
square one is another joke yeah i know what you mean you're talking about with the face and
everything yeah all right we got the viper removed we've seen some very successful vipers today
this morning. Yeah. Yeah. In Taiwan. Ember is the spirit that gets removed, leaving
Stormman, leaving Void Spirit, and leaving Queen of Pain. Yes. I think the Bedboom team
is looking for Queen of Pain, especially after seeing the Puck ban, Ember ban, but the
Viper ban says we want to protect, because he's all about that magic damage. Kez doesn't
like to play into a break mechanic against Tide. Whoever gets healed by Vivern, you're
you're still going to be getting that extra bit of a damage, so very good ban coming out
from them.
And then I then look towards nature and I will still continue to assume Storm Spirit.
But this was also still a good test for Storm Spirit.
Yeah, I mean you want to have another backline jumper, you have like we talked about the
mid laners that just go in because you have extra bit of a save coming out from the
dawn breaker.
It seems like they already know what the pick is, it's pretty much the same archetype of
the hero.
What makes this a good Void Spirit game over Storm?
I think with the vessel aspect if you ought to buy it and the ability to dodge Shadow Strike
at early stages.
You know Paine is a lane dominator, we see her put points in Shadow Strikes, sometimes
Storm does tend to be like, it's always like close, is he about to die, he almost
never dies unless you have supports rotating but yeah I think this time
around we are gonna get a close game I feel like both drafts are really good
they got the heroes that they wanted from it. They have the elements of just
finding ways to outplay like the voice for if you get the aggonyms you can just
jump into the fog silencing or wyvern a small bit of silence might be enough
that an open up ekky or mckay to jump in and make the big moves same thing
for BB if you get a good ravage there's plenty of damage we've seen how
well these types of heroes from BB work in game 2. I just, I truly believe this has to
be a back and forth game between the two teams. Like, I don't see one team just truly crushing
the lanes and just rolling the entire game. Surely, after five stumps, this has to be
the game.
If one team would get ahead of the other, would it be dependent on how well the mid
lane has gone for that team? Because it seems like both teams need their mid laner
to set that tempo.
Yeah, there's always a fair where a couple of voids for an early game free active runes
You can't just continue getting more kills and just accelerate your team
So there's always a focus especially with GPK on the show on the team
Yeah, we're gonna find out how that mid lane will play out how the game will play out
And first we're gonna find out what blitz has to say just likes
Absolutely. Thank you so much. Shever. Yep. I am here big brain blitz now sir
We have been complaining all day about strategies teams that have been very one-sided
We have seen this all day T governor keeps saying every single match is just one-sided stumps
Do you agree with this of what is causing this in this particular tournament?
I think when drops aren't like fully figured out and like there's a lot of weird first-pick situations that happen with like Alk Lundrude
Stuff like that people are just kind of discovering like what's the best in those and then it creates like weird situations
Where if a team's just wrong you're like wrong by such a large degree that it ends up just being a stomp
Absolutely. Do you guys think that you have an advantage here late at night?
We know that last season you played the longest game in pro Dota history.
You guys know how to stay up late, ball with your boys.
Is that an advantage here?
What makes you have that stamina blitz Dota?
No, for sure. I mean, late night, I'm just trying to ball with my bros.
Super tiring, but like, I don't know.
It's like the job and I enjoy it.
Like ultimately it's very fun to do. And so it's easy.
And I think I like the people around me,
I think we have a lot of
players that have been
playing with the Javs and Chloe
and Cavalry backstage and stuff
like that. Victor sending
messages like it's easy to care
when everybody else cares
equally. Fantastic. All right. I
want to ask you about Queen of
pain. I think you'll finally
give me a good answer on this.
The traditional counters have
been, you know, your viper
your Husker. We are seeing not
a lot of success about
anybody being able to face
quap. What is the answer to
this hero that we're not
I mean, I think we have pretty good answers to her. We have like three different disables. So can't win here then kind of tough
Hi, Nat
Hello Natalie T. Thank you so much for your kind words over there you counter strike traitor
She talked a lot of shit. She talked a lot of shit on those panels. Look it up. Look up the VODs
Let's get into the game. She talked a lot of shit in valorant to look up the VOD
She said nasty things check out this get nasty shit
Thank you very much slacks and blitz. Let us hope big list that this is not a nasty game as well
because it's been stompy, five of them in a row, extremely one-sided. Do you agree with the panel
that this one might be closer as Wyvern will be the first blood, Ekky, drawing an early kill for
the side of Team Liquid? It could be a little bit closer. Like when you look at the drafts on
paper, like very balanced on both sides, teamfight abundance, right? Like you have the egg on
one side to cover it, the Dawnbreaker rules, perhaps the Avalanche Tiny of course as well,
on the other, the Curse, the Ravage, we have seen this combo, basically four out of five
heroes are the same in the last game for Bed Boom, but they also get the Rubik to play
with.
Let's see, Queen of Pain for me is the X Factor, I feel like this hero is still
extremely scary to face against, they will attempt with the Void Spirit, I just
We'd love to see a vessel. Like so many times in the last couple of series we have seen Void Spirit face up against a matchup like this one versus a QOP, buy an urn and then straight pivot into the aghanims after.
And there's just like no damage in the mid game from your mid laner. Vessel? Might change that.
Certainly a great game to have a vessel with some of the tanky cores on the other side.
This healer is well from Kataomi.
Speaking of, we were asking ourselves in the previous game, why aren't we seeing more disruptor?
A lot of players are looking at this and be like, yeah, we need to brush up on our winter wyvern, guys.
This hero has a lot to offer right now.
Definitely did look very strong in the late game, last game.
But keep in mind that it was also a very easy wyvern game, more or less.
Vibrant is a very difficult hero to play when you have multiple ways of getting on top of him.
And right now when I look at this game, you have Void Spirit, eventually with the Naganins, the AoE Silence.
And you have this Beast of the Meta played by Miki, the Tiny, eventually with the Silver Edge as well.
Like if you're out of position, you're just dead.
We'll see how this all plays out.
and the early lanes.
So far, after this first blood,
Ace just wants to make sure that he keeps farming.
See what can happen when Ace is having a good game on the stonebreaker as well?
I feel like he's instrumental for the success of Liquid.
Not only because of the offlane and whatever hero he plays,
I think it's exactly these global heroes that he's really strong.
Like Ekki is in trouble, throws the hex out on security,
But he is ticking out as very damage has a fairy fire the Arctic burn will finish
Thank you manager to get himself away nicely done and bought enough space by the way for a
Dawnbreaker to take the Lotus so a little bit of a win when it comes to resources in the lane
but yeah, I think this that boom team just
Rise and dies in the laning stage, you know if they have a good laning stage
They just completely snowball out of control
But the Dawnbreaker, these global heroes, kind of prevent that.
I think maybe there's some method behind the Dawnbreaker pick, not only do they feel comfortable, it's a pretty good pick versus bad boom.
Out of harass going in onto Miike down bottom, doesn't really have any regen for himself, so Tophu will have to do the hard work,
popping him with the salve when it's safe.
He got the level 3, level 2 fire spirits, from this point it's a bit harder to actually
harass the Tiny and the Phoenix.
And picking off, like I kinda like this matchup for the Phoenix vs the Rubik, there isn't
really a single spell that you still and you feel amazing about, like fire spirits
are good, but not super impactful.
Start to burn from Katal me just pushing back the dawnbreaker.
If the game doesn't go as excellently as it does for the winter wyvern, if he doesn't build
that super early blink dagger, is there another item that could have similar impact, maybe
some early glimmer instead?
Yeah, glimmer is fine.
I think it's another approach, right?
Like with glimmer, you still get to get close enough, but you have to be way
better positioned.
Well, I think they went to Ivan though. He's in trouble. Starbreaker was used up on top of him
Echie throughout the blood grenade as well. So they secure another kill in the tops out of the map
One thing that needs to be said as well
There's a reason why we aren't seeing way too much Wyvern right now
The laning stage itself is not that great one of the reasons perhaps why we're not seeing too much disruptor to
The laning stage of sets heroes
Has seen better days
I was mid going, very even at the moment, Nisha passes, or if Korea died, it was carrying
the urn potentially, thankfully the urn wasn't on it.
Still early days, it'll be back relatively quickly.
This is the end of Q for the vessel.
This man is just not losing any lanes, you see.
At worst, he evens.
I'm sure he'd love to dominate GPK in mid after what happened in game 2.
He's like, bro, that's not allowed to happen, oh ace!
Echie was away from the lane for just a moment and ace gets punished.
Very nice kill for Kiddetage.
This was the classic, please, bro.
It's minute 6.
I need to control the rune.
Please be passive, don't die.
The same second.
Your offline has been killed.
See how lucky GPK gets.
He will get unlucky.
Nisha able to pick up the bottom shield rune.
So when I actually try to utilize it directly onto GPK, they jump them, they have the earth spike, the hex, the damage is gonna be there to follow up since Tofu also jumped in.
Three heroes surround the queen of pain and they do find a kill.
Nisha is the one that gets the credit for it.
What blitz did?
Oh, but bottom look, Nike, ooh, able to juke past the lost hanker smash, didn't get caught by Muro on that one.
They're still diving mid lane by the way, Vivern, Katalina should be fine, right, yeah.
The Arctic burn being used should get away, but we just saw the power of Lyon.
I think their last pick was a little bit easier to just choose from just because of having Lyon in the game.
Look at this, early rotation from Nisha.
Maybe for the minute 7 wisdom shrine, but he's a bit late.
That was probably the idea.
Actually, because of that top shrine might be contested.
Okay, Kiddetitch is fighting against Ace right now, and he finds the Earth Spike.
There's the Spellbreaker as well.
He is surrounded, and has got a homing nearby.
So is Tofu here, Kiddetitch with level 6 will pop out the Raptor Gaunt.
Ace falling very low will eventually die to the tick damage.
Tofu forced to dive away, but Silenced mid dive by Kiddetitch, forcing him to
come right back into the spot.
the tips. GPK shows up to get a double kill with the scream of pain and the tips of course
rain down onto the Kinetit Raven. I gotta say, a rare miss from Nisha, right? Like this TP
down to the bottom lane just enables this to happen. Not only do they lose their own
wisdom shine, but they also do not take the enemies. A huge problem for heroes like
Lion and Phoenix because they are extremely level 6 dependent. Lion maybe even more
but they both made their ulti's early.
We've also seen what happens when you give Kiritich a strong start on this K-Zero.
You know, I thought Team Liquid ended up banning Monkey King in the first phase, right?
Do you know why they banned that instead of the K-Zero?
I think they just find it difficult to ban out all the right heroes.
Monkey is also something that they're really good on.
Decided to ban Bones, so decided to get rid of it.
I think maybe picking the North lane is a little bit easier into the Kez than into the monkey with lane Nisha
Get lifted back towards the T1 tower, but does have an astral step
assimilates is available as well
Eighth shadow strike there
So we will need to heal up especially because Kiritich is on the way echo slash goes out not enough damage though Nisha will be fine
I just love this rotation even though it wasn't fruitful by Kez
I think this is one of those things that always has to be on your mind right now when you're playing a carry
in the current patch, rotating through the Trinigate, rotating mid to help out around runes.
He's gonna go right back to the top lane though as Kataromy returns.
Ace will take quite a bit of damage but he'll be okay as a salve as well.
Ekky was behind him in case Kiritik decided to dive.
There are 4 kills on both sides by the way. The game looks more or less even
but when you look at the experience, level 5 on Wyvern, level 5 on Rubik,
The two supports on the other side are still level 4, which will slow their game down quite a bit.
The moment you get finger on line, all sorts of options are there for you.
The finger just activates the hero, and it activates Void Spirit as well.
You have this tandem that can basically get any kill on the map, even Tidehunter at this point.
One bright spot about the last couple of minutes with Team Liquid is that Mikay has an opportunity to farm pretty much unconsisted down bottom.
There aren't many heroes that actually can contest the time.
I feel like this hero just fares well against 90% of the offlaners right now.
One of his strengths is just you've got the stun, you're right to damage it through the
roof.
Aki.
Dead.
Super simple kill.
Oh, there's here another hero who damages through the roof.
The GP K-Quap.
We'll put the inverse rule.
If they decide to sweep over toward where Ace is at, but another Curitich has shown himself in the triangle, Ace will go to the safer part to farm.
Yeah, they're slowly but surely taking over the map. The D-Word, the stack camp also, taking away by Curitich.
Level 4, still on the line. I feel like they need to incorporate the Dawnbreaker Ulti somehow in one of their next moves.
Perhaps they're going to wait for Anisha to finish his bird vessel, only a couple hundred
gold away.
GPK has left this area, gone back home to replenish his mana.
They will wait, but that boom will not.
They're coming through the twin gate, Kiritich is here as well, they're looking towards
this tide, Hunter Muro has the ravage, we'll throw it out, catches both Nikkei
as well as Ekky, and both of them, dead before Ace can even think about using the
solo guardian yeah that was probably the idea right use the solar guardian
try to kill off tiny gluten this tight hunter that way but god damn there was no
damage I feel like even if the if the solar guardian realistically went through
all three of them just died yeah this was a perfect bait
well the solar guardian will come middle onto this peanut page was inside
the eighth of remnant I haven't been able to blurs the down just yet she
All that the Sonic Wave, Nisha jumps through with the Aspire step, but Kata Omi throws the heels on GPK, keeping the Queen of Pain alive, and sending Ace back to the base in shame.
That saved, just in a perfect position this time, living up to his name. I know we are going to of course talk about the Winter Skurs, Golden Brace that is,
but it was Rubik who was there on time, to use the lift and the impale that he had
so he bought enough time for the Winter Viren to actually TP in
and he loved the Queen of Pain. Like this is one of those casual or classic
Bat Boom laning stages. Okay, moves like that cannot happen again so that's two failed maneuvers
from the side of Team Liquid. Multiple cores dead. If a move like that happens again,
We've seen time and time again just how does Void's Bird can really struggle to assert himself in the game.
It has an SLL.
All means aside, this minute 6 to minute 7 is like crucial for every single game.
Like, the first room that you take into a Wisdom Shine fight.
If you miss out on the Wisdom Shine and you don't take one or the other, you're just constantly on a backflip.
Echie, Echie, Echie, still in search of that elusive level 6, so close in the experience,
40 XP away from that.
Just find it, minute 13 after the next creep dice you should have it, so maybe some Twin
Gates rotation by the lion into a Kazatempt is possible.
Do you want me to show up for that one as well?
Absolutely. Whatever kind of a move they're making, I think Void Spirit plus Lion are the combo right now, especially with the vessel on Void Spirit.
Part of the move will hopefully have Ace alive though, because if he dies here, the moves all of a sudden are curtailed across the map.
And sadly, that will be what happens. Ace tried to at least delay proceeding with the Starbreaker.
Nisha and Tofu coming over, they glove the supernova, they pop a cure on the high ground, Kata Omi will be the first one to fall.
Eggie trying to get the range for the stun onto Kez, they got him, tosses there as well with the Blood Grenade drop down, finger of death, but Kiddentage still alive but they prevent the raptor dawns from merging.
Ravage will die, Ravage catches on to two, Nisha drags back in by save into the waiting arms of Miro and they kill off the void spirit.
Ethan ends stolen by save prevents Mickey from pursuing the rest of the heroes on pet boom and the toss and the disengage
Nice save by Muro there like with the ravage. They get a couple of extra kills. They get the voids critical overall. It started off
Pretty well for liquid considering they didn't stack a single stun on the case like they timed everything perfectly to prevent him from
Using raptor dance like if he uses raptor dance, he's just healed there. There were three heroes around him
Very, very close call.
But man, ace.
Not being allowed to play Dota all the way he wants to right now on the stonebreaker.
He just had no resources. The moment they found him, he was low on HP and on mana, so...
...was a very clean kill.
It's really scary that, like you said, if he'd actually gotten off the raptidons, he might have lived through this.
Just one stun after another, and luckily for Liquid, they have an abundance, right?
like every single hero offers something.
Look at this damage, it's stacking up from GPK.
Nisha has to simulate in a moment.
He'll utilize it, try to get out of here, he's inside the trees.
Ashe goes there, back towards GPK, can he at least kill him off?
During the supernova, he can.
The supernova now pops,
stands for Kiritich as well as Mero.
Tofu finishes off Kiritich.
Can he get Mero? He can with the help of Ekky.
Comes through with the finger of death.
What looked like an abysmal fight for Team Liquid,
in the end was saved by Nisha,
And I have to say Tofu, Diag was pretty much perfect, a very defensive act, but at the same time,
messed up a couple of kills. It was the worst start possible for Liquid, right? Like they
lose the Tiny immediately, the Solar Guardian. Look at that damage from the Phoenix dude.
1200 gold, 4.3k damage in the fight. 9 heroes dead in a 16 minute fight.
And he's almost level 12 on Phoenix now. Is he higher level than Dawn?
They're basically the same when it comes to experience.
Despite with Solar Guardian, what was it on even?
Was it on the Phoenix as he was diving through? It was, right? So yeah.
Okay, I mean it's still a cool idea because remember what panel we're talking
about? The cold embrace is a problem and so is
the curse when you're using the Solar Guardian.
So he managed to Solar Guardian in the back lines.
Of course that means the tiny isn't getting any heals.
Amazing, amazing girls. Yeah, all me, all me, all me.
Very confident Nisha in that fight.
I disagree, that was all tofu, that's all tofu.
It was definitely 50% of the Phoenix play as well.
Lion coming in clutch with another disable cinema.
Absolute cinema from Nisha on that one.
you know those are the kind of fights like results are not the standing right
it just gives you that confidence boost you're like okay guys think we're going
horribly but we can still do this I mean the game when it comes to
network is still pretty close right 1k there is no advantage in one side or the
other basically and they they did get themselves out of that experience
poll that they were in when you look at the sports actually they're higher
leveled now on on Liquid. Level 12 with Phoenix. Thanks. He makes that happen.
Tito Fu, gonna be building the early Sheevers for himself. That's gonna be quite
nice. Get some vision scouting on to Katiaomi as well as you do the initial
Icarus dive.
This just means that he understands the game is going really well for him,
Right, like after all those kills, you kind of convert into an additional semi-core on Phoenix
when the game goes well. Why the hell not? Transform yourself into Shivas. Unfortunately,
into Shivas Builder, unfortunately Shivas isn't as great any longer versus Heals. Like it does
nothing to them, but you do get a lot of Heals, a lot of armor that is, and some attacks
speed slow, which is always nice, but like you said, the info.
They might need some info here, Mikkei.
There's a Shadowblade.
They have Reveal with them.
They have an Essence Dispiller, so they definitely know where he's at.
Mikkei, slow down.
GPK will just happily surround him.
They steal the Avalanche.
Oh, that's a big steal.
He's literally killing them off.
Yeah, not only do they kill him, but this is actually one of the best spells
that you can steal.
There's a lot of good spells in this game I have to admit.
I feel, no matter who you click on, maybe besides the Dawnbreaker, post-old.
Whatever spells, as long as you press R, and on any hero, on Liquid, you're gonna find something nice.
So Sean, it's gonna be the next port of call right now. They have a Desolator on Kiddish.
When they use this minus armor on the big man.
Team Liquid, they're on fire to this.
I think they are. Felix is close enough, so is Ace.
Ok, Toku does not have the supernova as well, Celestial Hammer gets thrown into the pit,
that boom, the jig is up and they will give up on this attempt, perhaps too early to force
it right now.
And you see with the scan they actually do know that they're falling back, they're
not continuing the rush attempt.
Like below 50% of Rosh actually was on 3k HP, but of course we'll be moving top
Roshan starts making his way over
I think they can take this fight on the quit
This is like so tempting when you see the Roshan being this low
It's just the nature of their heroes. You are playing into Ravage
You are playing into a curse, but you also have an egg solar guardian on top like
At least they could poke, not allow this to go for free, but we'll see maybe they decide
it's too dangerous.
Amira for now will just try to force through the C1 tower.
They could get the tower, it's more space for them to be able to take it, and that's
why Liquid are gonna work so hard to defend this one.
I'm not gonna let it go for free.
Atomi, they saw him.
He gets jumped, the vessel is on top of him, he's inside, right now the climber
cape has the Arctic burn to get over the trees, so he's fine.
And that's the adaptation that you went for, right? Glimmer Cape, the difference from this game.
And the second one, of course, is the abundance of magic damage on Liquid, so Glimmer Cape has some value in that aspect as well.
So you keep your magic damage, Stormbreaker will now find passage in the fight a lot easier.
DKB picked up Ace.
And level 15, some nice talents to go for, continue farming, our bone next.
This is a hero that just
The item build that everyone goes for is basically no utility you aren't going for any
Oras on dawn breaker. You're just going full-on right-click the BKB the harpoons
Eventually you can go for an AC of course, but that's pretty much it
That boom team have also hit a small power spike themselves BKB available for GPK
I'm gonna try and utilize it. We are the one that's dangling out in front a very different bill from GBK by the way
Right, like Kaya into BKB.
Oh yeah, no Veil.
No Veil, no Agonis Rush as well.
See the Pays off here, you know?
Shouldn't be able to get the Teo on Tower.
Long lost on 28 HP.
Here they come, GPK.
Low 4 was the backlight.
They wanna find and kill Topu and they do manage to do so.
Sonic Wave also pushes Ekky into the depth.
Two heroes brought down in the blink of an eye.
Ace came through with the Solar Guardian,
but it arrives too late.
Both him and Nisha now to stop running. Nisha though might not be able to.
Jumps away with the Astral Step. A GPK insistent on getting that kill. Chases him down. Mike wanted to get the Queen of Pain.
Unfortunately the BKB kept protecting her and she's just gonna keep chasing.
Get a ditch now on the high ground as well. Grappling Claw up, looking towards Mike. He doesn't have a BKB of his own.
And he is gonna die. GPK! The second Hero 1 Bedboom team to find an Ultra Kill.
who needs the veil, who needs the agonies. He found the next best thing and that's an arcane rune.
As soon as that fight was starting, like just before he goes into the river, he gets an arcane rune,
just activates the heroes so damn well. No mana was spent, he had a reduced cooldown,
but all these skills, they do find a tight hunter by the way immediately because of the
Silver Edge, they had a break, they had the abundance of damage, but the two supports
of Liquid are so important to their fight and they just get blown up immediately.
Let's start in Graves, excellent.
Eki literally blinked into the fight, thinking he was going to be safe under the Solar Guardian, but...
Yeah, they had other ideas for Bed Boom.
BKB, very good usage of the 9 seconds on GPK.
I think BKB's Scyl-Rage gets distilled, right? Distiller is on top, exactly.
So he can't even run away, like once you use the Scyl-Rage, usually you can make a choice.
go in, do I fall back? After the essence, they still are being applied to him. He didn't
have a choice, like he had to continue fighting.
Ultra kill, GDK, what a game from him so far. He is 11, 2 and 6 on the quad. And they
hit themselves in ages right now. Handing some immortality towards Kiddich.
11, 2 on the Queen of Bane. Was there an ultra kill? Okay, this game were...
Yeah, that was right. Two cores, two ultra kills.
Agadence is going to be next for GPK while Miro pretty much has his own ags right now.
What's really scary, like you said, there was no tide and he still got the ultra kill.
What happens if the ravage is what starts off the fight?
At least for Team Liquid I guess you can look at it this way.
They didn't manage to take down the tide, which is usually a huge problem for teams.
So with the Silver Edge, with the damage that they've got, they can perhaps find a different way of entering a fight and dealing with the tide at the same time.
It's could have been a very different fight if Phoenix was able to use the egg.
But once again, Kiritage, this hero can't just does way too many things.
I love Dota. It's a wonderful game but some of these heroes sometimes you know
they make you question your decisions. Yeah. I feel like Phoenix needs to just
start building that Aeon disc. You can't afford to be the one that dies first in the
every fight. The problem of course with buying something like a Shiva's is you
you become a lot tankier you have more armor but if you're silenced it
still usually does not matter. Yes. Find himself silenced again.
Left back, silence, bye bye, what do you need it?
Baby?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's guess, let's guess, let's guess.
And you know, another thing, another good thing about Kaz is, Falcon's rush goes on to the egg as well.
So you can continue chasing, you can use it on the egg and get that extra attack sin.
Do you see that Nisha almost has his egg in it right now.
Actually completed it, just needs to be able to find a safe delivery.
They're able to get to those backlines, able to get the silence onto the Rubik and Winter
Ivan, perhaps.
It's a big defense.
I think having Aghanim on the Void Spirit basically makes a huge deal for the teamfights.
Changes the way Liquid can play.
A shot goes to Katya or me, better called Embrace.
some bonus damage by the way 60% on Kaz, it got recently changed of course it's pretty good like
this hero is unexplored I would say the Wyvern and all we're seeing it as a as a support mostly
there's a couple of high MMR spammers on offlane as well abusing the book that you get there's
a way basically the book applies 25% of temporary int all that top lane
Misha in trouble, some quick wave is there, he does get off the disemylate
jumps away, tries to TP out, but no
save, made sure that he able to catch him out, saw the angle of a jump
had the astral step stolen, so they ensure the kill on Misha
Yeah, you have the step and you can't really joke when the distiller is on top
Essence distiller, what an item on Rubik
Yeah, what an item in general
Pretty good, pretty decent
That's an interesting voice line by the way, first time I see it.
Smoke up right now.
That boom.
Do not want to let up any pressure on Liquid.
And Simdan Mikkei, they're going to come across the supports instead.
BKB.
Eki.
He's definitely dead here.
Ace.
It just doesn't even...
Yes, BKB.
He's definitely going to have to pop it.
Europe makes himself known here.
Ace, the question is, can he get out of here?
The Blink Dagger is being disabled by the Shadow Strikes, Celestial Hammer can be pulled
himself away, he can't let us fuck on a matter, they just have too much chase down!
Ace is gonna lose his life as well!
Never even managed to use the Harpoon man, and in such disrespect towards poor Ekky,
they used their dots on him and then just played it away, and he's still just
nice.
I know the spell of course on him, so he literally just diminished.
You know, seeing this Kaisan's peanut pain, I had a conversation earlier today with Vihar about this hero,
and he was telling me he remains convinced that the Bloodstone build is the wrong way to build the hero,
that it's supposed to be Kaisan's BKB eggs.
And I'm looking at this and it's like, yo, this is some very strong evidence in favor of that argument.
Yeah, but in the last game he also went for the Bloodstone build, right?
Like the last cove game, and it also worked out very nicely for him.
I guess it depends. Like Bloodstone does give you a little bit more sustain, right?
Like you have that active and passive to work around with, it's pretty nice with the agonist, it's pretty nice with Sonic Wave.
But to be fair, the last game you also had, what is the freest Queen of Pain lane of all time?
True. True.
I think Patch is still fairly new, so players haven't really completely agreed on the right builds.
And I kinda like this state of the game, where everything is still a little bit unexplored.
Oh yeah.
I mean, Team Liquid did not wake up today thinking they'd be playing two games against Lyvin, did they?
Probably not.
Yet here they are, and Katya Omi is owning on this hero.
GPK.
Now he's gonna go back for the Bloodstone, you know.
He can pretty much build whatever at this point.
The Bloodstone makes a lot of sense because of the buildup.
If you think about the previous builds for Queen of Pain, most of them involved.
Sheva's why? Because it did have Vale incorporated in it, right?
in it right now Veil is a part of Bloodstone so he's hitting his pretty
big timer level 20 talent with Agonyx.
Nisha?
The slower did not hit.
No it did not.
Very lucky for him.
His team has smoked up, heading in this direction.
Maybe they can make a turn here, even Ekki has shown up.
They have to blink head, they're gonna go out, they find GPK, they're trying to
burst them, cold embrace and the lift back away from the Solar Guardian.
Ace will jump onto Katowomie and kill him off with the Ravage, creating some separation in this fight.
Kiritich looking to try and bring down Tofu, but the supernova will go out.
Forces the rest of Bedboom team away.
Ekki, beautiful Earthbite with their hacks onto Kiritich.
Kiritich is gonna die.
Nisha gets credit for the kill. Tofu though, Sonic Wave from GPK pushes both him and Tofu back.
He jumps in, screams them both, gets a double kill.
Turns what looked like a bad fight into a decent trade for Bedboom.
It's a decent trade, but still, a very good execution from Liquid.
Even though they didn't manage to take down Queen of Pain instantly,
it was saved very nicely by the Viren and the Rubik.
They still find a good separation.
It was actually what I envisioned was going to be the voice job
to separate Rubik and the Winter Viren from the fight.
It was actually the Dawnbreaker.
Popped the BKB and just chased those supports out of the fight,
which allowed Liquid to take down Kaz.
Very big grab to get Tens. We'll see that the Kiz was very far from his team. He thought he had more backup, but...
Yeah, Ravage also. Not really too successful. Did it connect on to anyone?
No, the BKB threw it on the timing.
Yeah, the BKBs got used and Miro was in a good position to use the Ravage. Just the reaction time on the other side was way too good.
Now this is what I'm talking about Lizzy, some even dota.
Both sides can actually kill the main cores.
The fabled stories of even dota that we haven't really seen.
Let me not speak too soon.
It's still a kill lead overall for backboom, or the gold lead is even.
It's minute 30, gold lead literally does not exist, it's even like you said.
This classifies as an even game, a close game.
In the entire time, Mikae still has the potential to scale really well in this game.
He didn't really get an opportunity to use the break on the tight hunter like he normally does.
But eventually you'll have the Harpoon make it easier for him to just turn around on the tide.
Level 21 on Tiny.
Experience, like you mentioned earlier, has been a fixed problem for Liquid, but Tofu
right now, Tofu caught again, does have an Icarus dive in two seconds, but dies way
too quickly for that to factor in.
Might not be done just yet, might still want to find somebody else, but thankfully
Liquid have decided that that area is too dangerous to play, they will leave but look
at this Miero. The smoke will break, he sees the dawn, but immediately both him and Ekki
blink away.
I'm going to be seeding this tier 2 tower. It should be quite straightforward for them
to grab. Kiritich, wait for Butterfly here. So a bit of a different build as well from
because he knows that the Tiny is very unlikely to be buying an MKB.
I think the Bloodstone is flying out right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if Betbuy
wanted to try force another fight at this moment.
Ravage is online. There's a smoke though.
They come, Nisha is going to be the one going in first, but GBK, God of the BKB, Ravage
came from Miro as well, Nisha!
Where'd she go?
Got you baited and demolished by Batboo!
Damn!
Maybe he expected a Solar Guardian or something, but damn did he die quickly.
Not even a second to get off the BKB.
I mean that was all safe, right?
Because you got the Insta Hex?
Of course, of course.
But still, you gave them like that opportunity.
They were baiting, they were smoked right next.
next but there was absolutely no time to react. They have a lot of stuns, they have a lot of
disables and teamfight from Liquid but Solar Guardian is the only big utility save that they have,
the heal more or less.
If he just dragging waves he's gonna die for this right? There's no way. Save is here,
the stiller is out, they know exactly where he is. Some other patch you would perhaps
survive but they're still are being added. It's also gonna give away the gem even just drops it
he's like here guys you got me here's your reward. There's like an idea there right like you drop
the gem and then you continue running it kind of confuses them if you can hide it behind the tree
but of course it's not really uh this wasn't really hidden it was right next to them
They're reasserting the gold lead on side of Pet Boom.
Only 3k though.
Game is still very playable.
Ace and Mika and Nisha set up very respectable networks.
But as Nisha built next, he's actually going to go for a Silver Edge of his own.
So if he goes Silver Edge, then he probably also goes Daedalus afterwards.
They're just scaling a lot on the all three cores.
That's something that they could have got, right?
We talked about it earlier, every single core on Team Liquid can scale into heavy damage output later down the line,
but a lot of that damage output, that is naturally physical, a lot of it will be negated by the cold embrace,
so you still have to find the right execution to find the river.
Smoke up right now by Liquid, this time around.
Nisha's finger is definitely hovering over that BKB button.
Still a hex available on save and we draw a line for a pretty large wraparound. Let's see if they'll get there in time.
3.2 seconds by the way on the hex. And that's right now without any spells being used being cast around Jorvik.
A DD.
Unkitted Hitch no less. He does have the butterfly just picked up. Not sure that they scouted this out on the side of Team Liquid.
They are on top of the high ground in the triangle.
Nikkei is here as well.
We'll start this fight.
Nero trying to go back in.
They find the back lines.
They're looking towards save.
They haven't killed him off just yet.
There's a ravage that interrupts the Icarus dive.
But finally, Rubik will die.
He buys back Instant Tango as the Supernova gets destroyed
thanks to all of these BKB carrying heroes.
Nikkei down at Phoenix.
Here Ace though going towards Kata only.
He saves himself with the cold embrace.
BKB now popped by the dawn breaker on the other side of the fight. They've lost a voice bird.
They're going to be a winters curse to make sure they can't kill Kataromi.
Kez will die to Mikkei though during his own BKB, but now Mikkei needs to try and TP out.
Can't do it. Say having bought back, lifts him up, interrupts the TP, kills off the tiny, wins the fight for Bekbu.
They had to buy back from Rubik more than worth it in the end to secure that disabled for the kill.
Because of Kez being down, will they still go into the pit? I doubt it, right?
Like they can, but it's going to be very slow and he's up in only 60 seconds, so...
By the way, you mentioned BKB is being used on the Egg. It was only one that really mattered, and that was the Falcons Rush
Kez with the BKB on. And you could see it right here. The initiation was actually pretty solid from Liquid and the Egg as well,
But look at this! What the hell is going on?
Like, he hit the... I mean, yeah.
Just way too many hits from Kiritage.
GPK added maybe one or two. That's it.
And Katomi, of course, manages to curse here before falling immediately, so...
A very good fight once again by Bed Boom.
Fortunately, at least for Liquid, no rush taken just yet.
You know what sucks about this entire fight?
Save.
Literally stole Hex just before he kills Alliance.
I have the spell again, are you kidding me?
Kiddich, unhappy about dying but smile young man you're winning!
The 5k lead is still there, maybe he's actually worried about their scaling.
When you look at these heroes on Liquid, as time passes, they have these 3 heroes, like 3 semi-cores that will scale evenly into the late game.
Do you have an abyssal blade now?
They have been lacking some of this disabled, especially when Ekky is brought down.
So at least Ace can provide some of that.
Are they confessed?
They are connecting, but they are under a ward.
They get scouted on this.
Leesha, forced to jump away from the Queen of Pain.
They have stopped the Rosh right now, so Liquid Cancell will get closer.
There is going to be a jump onto Kataromy, so the Guardian does show up.
Ace gets pushed back with the Sonic Wave, but Kata only dies.
There's a ravage from Mero, we'll connect onto Ace.
Ace dies thanks to the Rhapsodons of Kiritage.
The rest of Liquid need to run.
90 seconds no Dornbreaker, Grappling Claw.
Getting the Keds closer as Nisha just forced to jump away multiple times.
Will he take out? Yes he will.
GPK follows him to bring him down with the scream of pain.
Back into the main fight, Kiritage able to easily mop up and clean Eki off the map.
Tofu diving back towards the Roshan pit, but they have so many tools of interruption.
It ends up being a team-wide backboom.
Sacrifice Kattaomi to win the fight and clean the ages.
It was the Lifestun in the end that caught him.
Caught the Phoenix, stopped him from tipping out, but it's the story of the support.
I would say one support only that is so important.
Kattaomi on the Vivern.
Like, if you don't catch him, he's saving everyone.
If you do catch him, there's a buyback.
Yeah.
It still doesn't truly matter.
Like so much damage, Queen of Pain had a fantastic read, of course, due to the ward that is in the radiant jungle.
So he blinks in, breaks the move, and just forces them into a really bad spot.
So many resources committed to kill Katomi in the first place.
Mm-hmm.
Oh boy.
What was at the point in time with 3K lead, in favor of Bed Boom,
All of a sudden transformed into a 13k lead
in Aegis and toe and GPK is tracking down the squads for it.
Ah, this one looks rough, guys.
This one looks rough, guys.
You've all been there, Mikkei.
What looked like it was going to be a decent fight, all of a sudden turns into disaster.
Now you have lost the lane of racks in the mid lane.
All the lanes are pushed in.
GPK is at the top of the net worth and they smoke up again but this cannot fail
this if this fails how do not gonna happen the rest of the game
Nisha able to catch onto Miero but they need Mikkei to be here with the
Silverage the tiny is still making his way over but right next to him is
Kiritich who's gonna interrupt him even getting there. Kiritich needs to run away
but he's not gonna be allowed to thankfully does have the Silverage no
initial reveal but the tech damage is way too much from the cares on the
on the other side, Ace at least try to do something towards Kata Omi, but as soon as the
Starbreaker attempt is over, Kata Omi just kills himself, GPK just kills Ace, Misha getting
caught out as well right now. Nope, actually, Gumi left alone, GPK wants an easier kill,
going towards Ekke, Saze just throwing him towards the Lion. What can this man not
do in this game?
Hex, onto the Royce, he's calling as well, oh, and he got through the Twin Gates,
It's all good, it's all good, it's all good, it's all good.
Wait, you go through with the hex as well?
Okay, and he goes...
Okay, that's fun.
I mean, they're still playing.
They're keeping their spirits up, these kind of plays.
Still being chased though, essence distiller, we'll see him.
That's not BKB.
There's BKB TP as well.
Ah, but they have a lot of damage here, my friend.
BKB TP might not be enough.
Will BKB, the TP is not forthcoming?
They're losing, by the way.
He is going to die.
Mega creeps are also being claimed in the base.
Kiritich has no interest in anything but winning the game, and the game itself is won!
GG well played!
That boom!
Earn a spot in the upper bracket fight!
That was 4.5k damage dealt by Kanz onto a Tiny.
Like I've never seen a carry dish out so much damage into a Tiny who's naturally a
very tanky hero.
He solos him.
At the moment he solos him, Tiny has no buyback.
I think this game was over.
Everything else that just happened with Chasing Nisha, I think they just allowed
him to have some fun, joked him around a little bit.
They did indeed this last pair of Queen of Pain dominating the game, 48,000 damage from
GPK.
Shiva, talk to me.
What do you think about this?
Was this the promised even game that we've been yearning for all day?
Well, it was more even.
It was more even for sure, but I think we all just witnessed the GPK show.
Let's be real.
a phenomenal game and it's just when Queen of Pain has a phenomenal game
Lacoste it is such a fun hero to watch go off. Oh absolutely I mean Queen of Pain
probably one of the best mid laners in the current patch might even be like the
best overall because of the scaling damage that you do have super strong
laning and we saw Jupacate this time around going for a bit of a different
build not going for the bloodstone straight away making sure that he is
it's gonna be the one kind of carrying the team like it's insane how much slows they had at the start like I saw
like 20 minutes in
Ace was moving at hundred move speed you have a chatter strike
You have a gush agonim scepter tight hunter and then one cue from winter wyvern
It just slows you so much their chase potential as long as they get the initial kill they were very hungry
Yeah
I'm just scared for what baby can do in in the future of this tournament with the fact that they have the
Tidewiving combo like just the idea of this type of trust and I'm just really afraid like they have the team fight
They also have good lanes like they they saw like they check the boxes
Was not ever allowing the alignments to feel like it's gonna default it right now
You can see the ability just to go. Wow. That's just a robust looking lineup
And also GPK had a point to prove you know 21 to 14. I don't know what point it was but he
Proves it this game. Yeah, that was incredible
Maybe it was something said in the hallways or something of the sorts.
It was still for the first like 15-20 minutes, it did still feel very even.
What really made these games Firewall out of control?
Because of course Quap was doing well.
It's the overwhelming teamfight, an ability to pick them off knowing that if Liquid like pre-BKBs,
if they decide to get the jump, it's just going to be...
They're going to be found themselves in a situation where there's going to be a ravage from the
arrow, save, like, it's just too many things that also you could see that Ace never felt
too comfortable coming into the fight because of the Winter Vibrant Alti.
Yeah, I mean that is one of the problems, I guess with Dawnbreaker and these lineups,
we mentioned it being kind of maybe something to think about in the draft, how does he want
to throw in the fight? You need, you know, Nisha, Micae or Ekki to go in first to
really just soak. So basically someone has to die on Liquid for the rest of the team to then utilize
that spell being, you know, tanked, but it never really came across that way. And yeah, GPK, of
course, the standout player, you get it. There's no debating this, I feel. Yeah, I think also in
this draft, when it came down to the last pick for them on 23, locking down that Queen of Pane,
it's not going to say seal the deal, but also they didn't really have that many options,
Yeah, we were debating like whether this spirit or the other spirit, but it seems like a lot of times so far in this patch
On 23 it feels like damage has already been done when you picked the hero the 24 picked again
Doesn't feel like to have as much impact. No someone who has had impact every game for
Betboom thus far is of course save and he's the one who's ready for his interview with slacks
Thank you so much shiver. Yep save you have had a lot of impact
not only in Betfum, but in the tournament overall.
I think a lot of people have been copying your play style,
your heroes, that was the first series
we saw this ever-pitched Rubik lose from you.
So quite some tough competition.
How's this event feeling so far for you?
I'm feeling good, man.
I feel like we can win the tournament.
You're definitely playing like you can win this tournament
after what I saw.
Liquid, big competition for you guys, you know?
Somebody that has faced off against you many times
feel particularly good to beat them? Are they your favorite team to beat?
No, they're not favorite. I think we're kind of friendly to them.
So now they're playing with the stand-ins, so they're not in their full power, so
it's not like we're really happy.
What is the best team for you guys to beat? Who do you feel good beating these days?
Falcons, I guess. We beat them on the tournaments in the first time after Iread, I guess.
Yeah, it feels fine to beat Falcons.
Well, that was a hard fought series from where I was sitting, my friend.
Did that feel that way to you?
Was it everything kind of going the plan?
It was quite a back and forth.
Out drafts, out plays, how would you sum it up?
Actually they played pretty good, even though their play would stand in.
So your game for sure was not easy.
I mean, they're like playing pretty good map, I guess, they're trying to find their
plays you know it's kind of hard to pressure them they also tried on your map or something you know
so the first you're playing good it was not an easy win draft wise I guess maybe second or game
we have a little bit better draft but not sure fair enough now a lot of guys say that gpk huge
part of the teams I would say MVP over and over do you agree with this you guys value
different players different links on teams like liquid really value niches game do you
Do you feel that way about your team right now?
Usually, yes.
I think it's our star.
But this tournament, I think everyone is playing pretty good
now, so it's not like we watched it one single player.
And you could definitely tell from that series.
All right, but you guys are up against Aurora next.
In the semi-finals, it's going to be very exciting to see
who wins that next match.
What do you think about for Aurora?
You guys are going to get some sleep.
You think it's going to be tough?
Yes, for sure.
Not going to be easy.
They're playing pretty good.
Hey, will that go the same distance?
We're going to go to three games on that as well.
Must likely, yeah.
Well, we're all extremely excited to see it.
Thank you so much for your incredible time
and your great plays.
We'll see more from Save and from the boys
over at the Bed Boom team.
Coming up soon.
Yeah, they get to face Aurora tomorrow.
The two teams that went undefeated in the group stage
as they're undefeated in series
because there were a game dropped here and there.
And they will go up against each other tomorrow
that's actually takes place in the Grand Final.
But I'm getting way ahead of myself
because I think that seeing Bedboom move forward here,
I don't think it's a complete surprise, Kaila Kost.
No, after seeing what they've done in the group stage,
I think that they were under a lot of people's radar
in terms of being the best team.
After seeing what they managed to pull off in the groups,
not dropping a single game,
and then we're gonna have a Grand Finalist
who didn't drop a single series.
So because both Aurora and Bedboom team didn't do it.
So it's going to be very interesting.
Yeah, I mean, there's two teams who have very clear, strong identities.
We had the Blitz interview saying with the volatility,
the stones here today, teams just trying to find themselves.
I think Aurora and BB, like, they know who they are as teams.
Like, they're basically forcing others to, like, test their own game.
And that's why they are top three.
Yep. And we started the day with the lower bracket, though.
And we do need to talk about that because we sent two teams home.
We sent home, Roic, we sent home Team Liquid.
Oh, sorry, Team Spirit.
Oh, wow.
I'm leaking the script already.
Hold on.
My bad.
Yeah, that's their home.
Team Liquid.
They've been known to pull off some magical lower bracket runs.
This is their home.
But yeah, the lower bracket, unfortunately, one of the South American teams, we had to
send them home.
But this also means that South American rejects secure themselves top six.
And they're going to be playing against Team Liquid.
They showed great performance today.
Not going to be an easy matchup for them, but every single time I watch this team
play, pleasantly surprised and seems like they are improving with each series that they
play.
I've really enjoyed just watching South American Rejects, it's just a treat to watch.
The thought that they could potentially with Liquid losing in this fashion, I think finding
some critical information against BB, there is an argument that Top 4 isn't impossible.
Sometimes when you look at the lower bracket teams coming from round one, it's like,
ah, they're probably going to lose in the next round.
Those top teams, they're scary.
But I feel like as long as South American readers just learn from today, it's competitive.
Yeah, they keep moving forward and they keep dropping games here and there where you're
thinking like, oof.
But then they still go to game three and are able to learn and evolve and overcome.
Let's see if they can do the same thing with Team Liquid.
Of course, ParaVision and Falcons will also be playing in that lower bracket and they
will be up first.
Which might be important later on because the teams that win the first two series
will go up against each other in the overall last series of the day with in between its Aurora versus
Bedouin for the upper bracket finals. Falkens they are back but the question is are they back at
being able to beat ParaVision at LAN so far in 2026 unable to beat them and if you remember they
got eliminated by ParaVision from ESL1 Birmingham so that's a that's a true test I think
Also they are powering up that they're fighting their groove. They're picking up some like they're picking new heroes
But they're also picking the old-school classics as well. So that's gonna be a very interesting series
Yeah, today was already a very interesting day. There's only two more days left after this one is done
And it is almost done, but I do want to hear from you guys
What you feel like stood out today most today?
how
Uninspiring spirit was
I thought like they they've just been on like a downward trajectory, and I was like that just didn't I thought that'd be like a little
And a little bit of going up again. No, it just didn't it's went down. So a lot of reflection
Yes, and they've had coaching changes and multiple changes
Yeah, still it's just like for spirit and like what you'd expect from the org in the last couple months
It just feels like he's going
How about you look off final thoughts final thoughts? I'm gonna go to bed the shiver
and I'm gonna watch South American Ragex play some really good Dota tomorrow but we're gonna have to
bid it out a little bit but overall good day of Dota like we had some one-sided games but
this one was probably the best one that we've seen but in the morning there were some like really
good games especially the South American Ragex one. Yeah they were they were very hyped I'm
sure we're gonna get a lot more hyped games but not today because today is done tomorrow we will
continue so we'll see you back again then for more PJ Malachi Season 8.
It's not a song.