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Hello everyone, welcome welcome to Drop Friend.
you might notice the missing Zeke.
So in his place, we have Mr. Poppins.
Soda, please give us your best Zeke impersonation.
I don't know if I've ever played that game.
I think Zeke is, wow, you embodied it.
You do, absolutely no, that was a great impression.
That was a channeling.
Yeah, that was, wow.
He probably just like, had a little tick wherever he's at,
yeah, at the airport around there.
He's on his way to, to Disney World for his,
that's fun.
His birthday, his wife's birth, someone's birthday,
and they're celebrating for a week.
So he's gone this week and next week.
We'll have people in his place like, like Mr. Poppins.
Argus.
Listen, I can also take his place.
You know, it's just a,
whoa.
Right.
It's the Impressions.
Okay. Well, you guys might have to fight to the death.
You think you could take them?
OK, we can do that.
OK, he goes to work and fights in the Burning Man pit.
I was going to say he gets drugged up and fights at Burning Man.
So yeah, maybe a little rough, maybe a little rough.
You got to be right.
He'll be. He'll be fine. That's OK.
You know, it's fair enough.
Fair enough.
Our guest this week and first time dropped frames appearance.
It's it's a fuchsia.
Should we just call you Annie?
Does that make sense?
Yes. Does anyone call you any fuchsia?
Full Lee.
No, not really.
OK, maybe maybe people meet for the first time, like in the streaming
scene, but otherwise, no, not really.
OK, he's fine.
Gotcha. That'll work. Great.
Why don't you give people a quick run down?
You you were on your stream and you're like, I've been
streaming for a while, but these three guys, these three guys are old.
And it's like, what the fuck?
I'm like, what are you talking about?
It was as close to me.
Yeah. What does that mean?
No. No, I said I'm an OG,
but these guys are even more OG because you started before me, which is, uh,
because sometimes I still feel like I'm a relatively new streamer.
And then I realized, Hey, I've been streaming for 11 years actually.
I'm like, I'm getting old too, you know?
And, uh, because there's a lot of new streamers, especially since COVID,
I would say a lot of new streamers have popped up and, uh,
it's crazy to think that those streamers were not around five years ago.
Many big names today were not around five years ago.
and double that.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
And you go ahead.
I was going to say we have the biggest streamer become big and retire in the last five years.
Yeah.
True with Kaisenot.
Yeah.
That is absolutely true.
It's crazy to think how time has passed.
Didn't it feel pretty cool?
It's like you hit that decade.
Hey, I've been doing something for a living 10 years.
cool, right? It does feel cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She said she's
turning 11 years. I remember I had my first 10 years feels really
good. 10 years does feel good, but it's also a bit scary to
think about. I don't know about you. It's not for you guys, but
it's it's kind of scary to be like, you know, I've been doing
this really for like 10 years, 10 years plus 11 years. How
did that happen? Like I just blinked in time past.
Yeah, I held this kid turned nine yesterday. And and like I
had my my and I three kids now I had my first kid after I'd been streaming for a
couple of years. Yeah. So it's a yeah. You know, sitting there watching him play
Mario Kart and I'm just just sitting there like this is a that's crazy. Like his
entire life you've been a streamer basically. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. That's how
you're going to start to show any just telling us how old we are. That's what
you're done. No, I'm already got my chat spamming happy partner. I guess my partner
anniversary is tomorrow for 15 years. Oh, really?
Yikes. And so I was talking about how fucking old I am already.
And now I'm getting all the fucking show. I thought we were old. I thought we were old.
Look at this guy. Look at this guy. He is crazy.
Oh. Yeah, so like it starts streaming with his cane in the morning.
That's correct. Well, I have the butler do it.
So let's. Oh, yeah.
Oh, of course, of course.
Yeah, we're going to be the first ones in the the retirement homes
where they have a streaming setup for basically retired.
I imagine you go to the retirement home
and it's all a bunch of streamers, you know, 70, 80, 90 years old
in their little streaming room, you know, need help.
At least we'll have something to do.
And the best part, true, at that point,
all of our audience would just be AI to make us feel better.
So we're just there as old people in our rooms.
We're streaming to just an army of people, you know, and they're just like,
yeah, they're just having their, they're having a good old time in their room.
So imagine the retirement home, the in house games we could have in house.
Mario Kart attorneys could be.
Oh, no, hold on.
Hold on.
They know my employees are going to be crying.
We already have a gaming retirement homes coming.
It's, it's already did do this business several years ago.
Yeah.
Yes.
Several years ago, we started investing in, and laying the found the
foundational work for the co-carnage gaming retirement homes. So it should be another
few years and we'll be start taking some reservations. Yeah. How do I sign up?
QR code, I think that's what the kids are doing these days. Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
Yeah, it's gonna be a whole thing. I had a guy tip today, I tip my mods and he's
just like, you know, it's a really nice message. Hey, just wanted to say I'm
having such a good time enjoying the stream. It's so good to see people
streaming on Twitch that are old. Thank you. Thank you. That's the only compliment we can
get these days because congrats on being old. Thank you for being old.
And members need entertainment too, man. Someone's got to feel that void. It's a niche, you know,
you know, I guess. So, what would you say? I feel like most people know you probably
because of your wow achievements or the wow, the fact that you've done all the achievements
in wow was probably one of the, that's why I think where I first heard about you, correct?
Yeah, I think getting all the achievements in wow is probably the main thing that people
know me as, even though I've done a lot of other stuff since then.
Yes, yeah, absolutely.
It's definitely the thing that people know me most for.
Yeah.
And I would say you're not an MMO streamer,
you're a variety streamer, you do a bunch of stuff.
You do IRL, you kind of do everything.
Yeah.
Yeah, so I used to stream almost exclusively
well at the beginning.
Although I did have my periods with certain other games,
for example, Hearthstone.
There was a time I streamed that for almost a year.
Actually, when I got partnered on Twitch,
I was streaming Hearthstone because that was really popular back in 2014.
So I was doing a lot of Hearthstone at that time.
And then when Super Mario Maker came out,
I had a good few months there as well,
where I just played Super Mario all day.
And what other games have I had big moments in?
I think it's mainly those two games that
spanned a longer period.
And then I'd play some variety games here and there,
like I remember playing Witcher 3 a very long time ago.
And a little sprinkle of variety.
But for the most part, I did just stream WoW.
It was probably 80% of my stream time was probably WoW.
And the past three years or so, I
think my stream time for WoW is probably more like 30%.
And even then, that's because of only things mostly.
I don't stream that much of WoW anymore.
I do a lot of other stuff as well.
But I always come back for the different patches.
We all do.
Like now.
Yeah, we all do.
then your expansion. Yeah. And I mean, I also do play it a lot in my own time. That's how
I try to keep up with my achievements. But I just find it not as maybe that exciting to
stream. So I do a lot more of that in my own time. And then I stream other things.
Yeah, makes sense.
Variety streamer. Yeah.
Yeah, that's a variety streamer with wow roots. I feel like every variety streamer
has like the roots somewhere.
True.
Right.
except for the new people, because they root in drama.
True.
Shots fired, shots fired.
And they just sit in the close up of it.
Yeah, yeah.
That's the best.
That's the best, that's the best.
Well, you mentioned World of Warcraft a bunch.
That's why we've got you and Soda here,
is to talk about WoW, because they just launched midnight.
Obviously everyone knows Soda's the biggest retail fan.
He just loves it.
He can't get enough of retail.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Loves retail. We'll talk about that in just a bit.
I've got a little bit of news to go through before we do that.
And it should all be good. Also, I'm realizing Annie's Desync.
I'll fix that on my end here as we continue discussing stuff.
Yeah. I was, yeah. I was reading that as well.
Yeah. Yeah. I don't, we've got like four NDI things going. There's probably.
I actually sparked a question for Co. I brought up, you know,
Honey you have like the roots of like you're like a wild streamer mainly or were like like me and I do a variety
But we still have the wild roots. Oh, what are your roots?
MMOs you had to pinpoint them
Yep, my my first game that I streamed to any serious capacity was showing my guild at the time that I was leading carnage
a game called defiance and
That's what I found actually you it was defiance that if this old school MMO
It was like a shooter MMO was based on that sci-fi show that it was also running in parallel and
Funny enough, that's when I met Tauley because like I ended up in the end of my first week streaming
Getting like 200 viewers on average
Because I have my guild watching me which is giving me like 30 viewers and then Tauley kept coming in from playing
Wow to just check out defiance for a few hours each day
And then he leave like hundreds of viewers would come into my stream because I was the next big one
And I owe a lot of my like initial traction to that and then I did never winner
You remember the never winner MMO to that for a long time. Yes, I do remember that
I think man, we just kind of kind of kept going from there
But yeah, it was it was MMOs man, and then I know you're rich or no, that's a chance cool
I never heard of defiance never winner. I did but never even heard of defiance. What do you defiance?
It was an MMO that was a third-person shooter and it worked really well like full gear systems
It was one of the first games to do public open events.
So you just run up on a giant boss fight that 30 people are already in and all of a sudden
you're in the big group and everyone's getting experience and loot and it's all tallying.
And like it was it was a great game.
It was really good.
Yep.
But it got shut down and it just kind of dribbled out too.
Devs couldn't keep up with what the players wanted.
It was kind of a classic production issue, but it was fun.
When was Defiant?
Defiance?
I started 2013 remote release date. Yeah, I want to say because I really first was like April
2013. Yeah, you started on Twitch. Okay. All right. Yeah, your old school's hell. I graduated
on Twitch right after. Don't say I became Twitch. I was streaming too in 2012 or 2013.
So see, yeah, 2013.
When did you start soda?
I was 14 or 15 years old, one or the other.
So I was.
My graduates probably 20 2008 of 2007, 2008.
Damn, I don't know the year, but I know it was.
It was season seven of Wrath was my first stream ever.
And I also was streamed into my guild.
That's where I got my, you know, plus 10 viewers.
Right on the end, man.
We got.
Mm hmm.
I don't think it's something similar because I was, I had groups going for, I
started an MOP, miss a penderia, and I was raiding.
So my guildies would watch that.
And I also did a challenge modes.
So I'd have my group members, um, watch as well.
So I also went like plus five plus 10 from the start because of that.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So that's how it goes sometimes.
Annie, restart your, you're sending me OBS, right?
Can you reload that source and OBS?
If you don't mind?
I mean, I could also just change it
to actual camera now, since I'm not...
That would actually probably do the best, yeah.
Yeah, if you just want to read that.
Yeah, let's do that.
Cool.
While you're handling that,
talk news this past week.
Trying to see what like the biggest story was,
I guess it was probably the,
It's either the idea that New York is suing Valve for loot boxes, gambling,
which I'm sure you guys are really interested in talking about.
New York is suing Valve? Yes. Yeah.
Like New York as a city? Yes.
The New York attorney general is suing Valve for,
as they say,
promoting illegal gambling and threatening to addict children through
its use of loot boxes.
the complaint was filed on this past Wednesday in Manhattan.
Attorney General Letitia James said Valve's loot box is about to quintessential gambling,
violating the state's constitution and penal law with valuable items often hard to win
and many items worth pennies.
Are they going after Valve?
Is this CSGO?
Yeah.
That was my question.
Okay.
No, no, that was actually my question.
I was wondering if they were going after Valve as a deployment platform for games that
do this stuff or if they were going after Valve as the developer for
counter strikes boxes, it's going to be weird because like there's a lot of
games that do very similar things, not to the degree that CS has, because
I mean it has the massive actual cash trade behind it.
But I mean, there's a lot of this mechanic in a lot of different games.
And if this actually did go through, you probably unleash a flurry of
of new cases.
Yeah.
The, uh, she goes on to say that they generated billions
of dollars revenue by selling keys, open loot boxes,
including in one game where the process resembled
a slot machine as a wheel,
word through various items before stopping.
That's CSGO, clearly.
Said that the key sells advanced valves,
unusual business model of letting players
sell items they want in its virtual marketplace,
esteemed community market, and on other marketplaces.
Quote, valves, loot boxes are particularly pernicious,
is it, Co?
Anyone?
Okay, all right.
I can't read either.
No, they don't.
No, I was like, perniquest, perniquest, perniquest, yeah.
Because they're-
Periniquest.
Because they're popular among children and adolescents.
Children are introduced by the age 12
or four times more likely to become problem gamblers
as adults that complain added,
citing the Massachusetts Department of Public Health.
So yeah, they're going after it.
I don't know where, I don't know what the end goal
is then.
Crazy how many while they're all on Roblox.
How many 12 rules around CS go?
I feel like they're on Roblox.
What?
I guess the early twos, especially once they start getting into e-sports,
like CS is the e-sports game for that kind of stuff.
Like, I actually know some of my oldest kids, their older brothers
are playing CS and they're 1450.
So, okay.
And they're doing it at a young age.
It's still so popular in the e-sports scene.
It's like the OG that's still going.
Did Valorant not surpass it?
I thought it was more of like the, the hip, you know, for a little while.
I think most people have, have kind of soured on valorant, uh,
citing like, you know, the, there's too many fucking hero abilities
happening on the screen at once.
So they just go back to, to CS, especially with the, the rise of like CS
to, um, this past, what, two years or year and a half on mechanics.
Really?
Yeah.
Interestingly enough, I've heard a lot of League of Legends, a lot of CS.
I don't think I've ever heard valorant in their, in their Esports
Conversations they've had yeah, that's why I just considered that yeah, yeah when the kids are talking about like the games they watch and play
Yeah, Valorant mostly big and like I think it's big in Japan is the biggest market for Valorant. Oh, okay interesting. So
Yeah, well, we'll see what comes from this it you know, you can sue honestly probably nothing probably nothing
No, yeah, somebody said what about fortnight? That is that is the lion's share 80% of all children's talking about anything about it
It was for when my way in my brother is a he coaches a basketball team where he used
to and one time he's like, Hey, chance, can you come out and play basketball with these
kids?
They the blah, blah, blah, I'm like, yeah, I go and I do a stream and I stream it.
These kids the whole time.
All they talk about is Fortnite the whole time.
They loved it.
Yeah, the thing even like you could tell when I was in basketball, the best basketball
player was the coolest right everyone was looking up to the cool basketball player he's the best
at basketball practice today the coolest person was the one who was best at fortnight at home
yeah that's crazy yeah that's crazy i have a i have a cousin um who uh actually it's my cousin's
child so he's like i think he's about nine and uh when he found out that i've played fortnight
He was so excited.
He in the first thing he had to ask me, how many skins do you have?
And I was like, um, I don't know.
I've not counted them before.
How do you even know?
He's like, oh, yeah, you go here to this place and then you check the number there.
And I was like, oh, OK, well, how many do you have?
He's like only seven, but my friend has 200.
And I was like, oh, God, OK, yeah, that's so that's that's what they find cool.
I guess it's like the new generation.
Yeah, my my son and his friends are all about the account level.
What's your level, what's your level this season?
What's your level?
I'm over 100 now.
Yeah.
Like the battle pass level or no, there's that whatever that little level is in the
top right.
I don't even know what I think you just it's just like a passive, you know, working through
that.
I think that is a little pass, isn't it?
Could be.
Whatever the little level tracking thing at the top.
None of them buy anything on it.
So it's it's you know, whatever that is, but yeah, dude, we sound like the fucking
adults sitting around the water for a while.
We are not.
We are not going to do anything else for the autumn.
Talk about that.
How about you on the battle pass level?
How about that?
How about that you made it, guys?
I tell you.
It's because terrible things to your story.
General, the other day, is assuming you are.
Oh my God.
It's got a new garage over here last week.
Which one's it going with, Cody?
go with you all about it.
Let me read the manual to you and be fun.
Yeah, that happened.
Obviously, it's still super early.
I don't think anything's really going to come from that, but maybe it will.
Maybe it will.
What else is out there?
We also had the resident of a requiem came out.
Co and I have been playing.
I don't think so.
Don't you guys haven't started that right?
Oh, my heart.
No, I have not.
I was a little bit of unfortunate timing.
Yeah, it is.
I mean, why is it so the laughing?
Everything happened at once.
What happened?
I was laughing because yesterday I was like, I'm going to go and drop frames.
You know, I'm excited.
And my viewers are like, what the fuck are you even going to talk about?
You haven't played shit.
You haven't done anything.
All you do is play. Wow.
Why are they bringing you up there?
I haven't played re-animal.
New slave to spire.
I haven't done anything with that.
I guess it's not out yet, but haven't played the resident evil.
Haven't played.
And what is it?
New genics.
Haven't played it yet.
Yeah.
Haven't seen it.
You like that? Oh, you're being a major.
They said that I lost my variety.
She record.
Oh, hey, hey, hey, so I didn't want to really be the one to break.
We didn't bring you on for games.
It's your old now.
OK, and this is an old people.
I cast now.
Yes, you have any of the guests that any of the guests that you also told me,
hey, if you ever need someone last minute, I'm your guy.
And to me, that's like, all right, that's easy.
That's an easy get. I know. I love coming on the podcast. Just again. I just thought it was so funny
What they were saying to me last night and then you started talking about yeah, I just do get eyes
Maybe think about it as well as laughing
Well, uh, we'll we'll chat about rech, uh, requiem in terms of the game, but the the news around it are one piece of news
I should say, uh,
Metacritic obviously his website, you know aggregate review scores everyone kind of uses that. Oh, what's metacritic?
blah blah blah
Better review come across into Metacritic, which I think was at video gamer.com. Um, yeah, video gamer.com and it was an AI review.
Yep, fully AI review. Even the author is AI, uh, by the name of Brian Marigold, and his Twitter account is his AI profile image.
It's not even a real person like he has a Twitter
Or maybe it's a blue sky feed or something. Uh, wait, it's crazy
This is the one where we found out about it. Yeah. Oh the whole article is special
Yeah, I exist the one where we the way we found out about it was the guy that was supposed to write it
The human was removed from it. Yes. After taking off the preview
And so he got permission and went public with the fact
He was like, yeah, just letting you know I was supposed to do that, but I didn't it's all written by AI like they literally
Took it from him and gave it to me. Yeah
And yeah, and then the best part was one of the sites that broke the story the news article on the story was also AI
So it's like
Story and there were an AI article for it. It's just all right. It's yeah, it's all AI
Yes, how was the review? I gave it a game of nine out of ten
Oh, all right.
Yeah.
Okay, so the AI likes the game.
Yeah. The author in his profile said that he was, the AI said it was a experienced
eye gaming and sports betting analyst.
I guess because VideoGamer, VideoGamer.com was sold to gambling SEO spam
spam agency, click out a few years back. Wow. Yeah, you know,
this reminds me of isn't there like a platform? I forgot the
details of this, but there's a, there's a platform somewhere
where they have like a feed going on. And it's just bots
talking to each other. So the entire thing is just AI. So you
have people talking or not people, you have these AI
profiles, discussing things together and talking about how
they think that they're being watched by the humans, something like that.
I don't remember what the platform exactly was, but there was something that I
read about.
Yeah.
I looked at it.
That theory is really starting to take hold here.
I don't think it's a theory anymore.
Yeah.
No, it's not.
No, there's, um, just yesterday.
Uh, so we were doing me and Nick, we're doing a, we're doing our own little
talk show, right?
And we have this, uh, on the Patreon, a guy commented, it was the weirdest
comment ever.
And it was so weird that we kind of brought it up and talked about it was like seven paragraphs. The guy was like
Skits out what is going on? This is so weird and then the next week
We did the same talk show or whatever and the guy commented and said hey you guys were talking about my comment
I wanted to let y'all know that wasn't me that commented it
That was my AI bot that I sit in the call with I listen to your podcast while I had my AI bot running and my AI
I bought on its own went into your patreon and left this comment
And I thought it would be really interesting to let y'all know about that because yeah
I didn't tell it to do that it did it on its own and you know any I believe them and he started linking other sources of this
Happening to other high-up CEOs. They've got like emails that get deleted either. They're sitting there with an AI bot running
Just listening in on everything. They're doing hanging out in a call with them. I guess if you want to call it like that
Yeah, it's insane. That's so crazy stuff. Yeah. Yeah. That's like seven percent of you.
And we went back to the comment that the AI left and we're like, yeah, holy, yeah.
Now, now that I'm looking at it through the lens of knowing it's AI, it's AI.
Oh, they have some some already pretty scary real world applications for AI
assistance. Exactly like what you're talking about.
That may even be what they were using for all they do.
It's called all. Open Claw.
claw. Oh yeah. But yeah, it's scary what they can do. It's wild. Yeah. And they're making
mistakes all over the place like that, which is kind of interesting, too. Yeah.
Oh, well, to the game. Like we are actually. Yeah, we are. Well, let's talk about this game.
So I've heard that this Requiem or New Resident Evil game is sick. It's really good.
I haven't watched any of the game. What I'm told is it's like a hybrid action and horror game. It's like both
Yeah, actually got two protagonists and they both have slightly different styles
I'd even go further they have they have very different styles like like like one of them you feel like you are
Scared nervous unable to deal with the situation can barely even run. They're like so shaky and stuff
the other one cracking dad jokes I've been through this rodeo I've seen this
shit already like just blasting stuff all over it like it is it is so cool how
they actually go back and forth it actually feels good it's been God I
don't know how many hours I'm in now maybe almost 10 and it has been
phenomenal it is already one of my favorite re's and I haven't finished
it up yeah one of your favorite wow that's a big compliment yeah it's great
It's also they have you don't have to do it
But they have this really cool system where you play grace the girl who is the the the the much more scared one
She is in first person like you can see and then
Is all in third person so you you not
But it the perspective really makes it like Leon feels so much more like this kind of super soldier kind of thing
It's it's but I get I don't I don't guess I don't want to say too much more
I could get really into it, but it's gonna you need to play it. It's awesome
Yeah, I'm looking at the the playthrough. I'm looking at right now. What's that welcome to the family? It's like that, right?
It's more of a horror puzzle Lee are you scary game? That's seven. Yeah, I was seven are you seven?
And you go to like re8. I think that's village. It's like just got my shotgun got this like all the different things
Yeah, no, that's sick
Yeah, I got to get out of war more craft. It's cooler over here right now
Yeah, you will. You should eventually definitely play this game.
It is like someone that doesn't enjoy.
So my play through special, I have someone playing the game while I'm watching,
which is kind of hilarious, but it is.
Yeah, so I'm backseat gaming friend and we're hanging out and they're playing
and I'm watching them play and tell them what to do.
It's a really weird play through because I get to immersed, right?
It's like it's like the we call it the cut.
Are you scared?
Yeah. Yeah. We call it the cut through over here, right?
Because I'm sitting in the scared cut chair and I'm watching someone else play resident evil. Yeah.
That's hilarious.
The beginning area.
First time you do this?
Yeah. Yeah. We didn't know if it was going to work, but it kind of worked out.
An area that goes in right now, I could not have played this area on myself.
They start you off with like nothing and they throw the most obscene shit at you and
And they, you know, they, they risk, they show you things where it's like, oh,
this area is so safe, this area.
So you're going to be just fine in here.
And then you walk in there and then like the lights go out in an area that you
thought was safe for the first like 30 minutes of the game.
Uh, so it's, it's fucking terrifying in the beginning, but like co-set.
You swap to another character.
Yeah.
Look at Coaseface.
It isn't.
We got the jump scares are also a lot of them.
There's a lot of them.
Yeah.
Right.
In terms of scary.
The scariest game I've ever played that was like, you know, AAA and all that, not just
jump scared, cheap, whatever was the alien game in the hospital isolation game is really
good.
Yeah.
Alien isolation in the hospital.
Of course, as the game goes on, it gets less and less scary.
Yeah.
How scary would you say this game compares to that?
Call it just that scene when you for the first hour comes in this game is scary.
There are jump scares.
There are horror elements.
It is not a horror game.
It is an adventure game at heart with really weird biological horror and jump
scares. There are there are long swaths you will go through where you are just
playing an adventure game with a with a scare or weird thing every so often.
But if it is not like it's not a visage.
It's not it's not a you know, it's a yeah, it's not
a super scary experience.
There are some.
She is an old shy life.
So gore.
For this part here, I was like, oh, he got, he got his
Leon to go.
It's so cute.
Oh my God.
They're really gory.
It's a thing for a second.
I mean, there's there's some there's some not only horror things that happen in this game.
There are also some very disturbing things like they don't really hold back.
There's some pretty messed up things.
They shouldn't the game.
And yeah, and it's and it's you know, they do well.
It's clearly still going in that visceral direction with the franchise and you see these
like flips and turns really has combat.
Damn, you see the execute.
I'm sick.
I was going to say best part best part you get like these fragile little makeshift
breakable knives on her. He's got an axe and whenever it gets
sharp, he just he just sharpens that shit. And he's like,
okay, it's full again. We're good. It's it's again, the back
and forth is so good.
The best. The best reaction I've seen to this part, specifically
after playing through like the grace part right before this
was was Will Neff. It swapped to this and like Will Neff
just became a child and was laughing and smiling and so
excited by just the sheer rawness of what was happening in terms of people's
head exploding. Just being like an action god. And then it goes over to Grace and
she's got like a lighter just walking around. I love that. This is a bit of not
much of a spoiler. Which character do you start as? Do you start as Leon or do
you start as Grace? Grace. Grace. And you guys. So, for a bit of time. It's so funny.
That is so funny because you're going in your week and then all of a sudden Q the John Wick
music you come in as Leon you're like if the side-by-side comparison of going from just
helpless and defenseless to this look at this guy yeah you're killing like letting them
pick up the chainsaw and music crazy.
It's great.
I love that.
And they know that right they know what the fuck you're doing because even when
they actually it's like the full action thing he's like walking around in like a crime
seen and you see his feet and then he like gets into his fucking Porsche and like he's like oh
we gotta we gotta do you know blah blah blah blah we gotta go to this place this thing yeah yeah
and also using Leon for it too because Grace is like it she's a new character right yes so you have
like the the full action everything the big guy is also a big name you know so that's that's
also pretty effective for people who've played before or the previous games. Yeah. You guys
ever see the, um, there's a, I guess it's a resident evil movie or maybe it's a cut scene
where like they're having that gunfight and they're running in a circle, missing each other
from two feet apart. It's the most crazy guy in the action. It is resident evil. It's Leon.
No, it's not Leon. It's, um, it's Wesker and somebody. They run up and they start,
Oh God, Chris. It's Chris. Oh, it's Chris and Wesker. Okay. Yeah. That's what you
Yeah. And they're having the craziest gunfight.
I'm just looking at this.
I'm like, you know what?
Maybe that gunfight's not far off from like how, you know,
they portray these guys in these games.
You just kick someone across the entire room.
Like he's just sawing open a door.
It's just crazy.
Yeah, it's it's awesome.
It's it's it's done a really good job with that.
And it's also just like the fun factor.
Yes, you you walk through the same halls
that you had a lighter on and you were shitting your pants
Like an hour earlier and just the mall. Yeah, everything I think I've taken I
Think I've taken for granted how much I actually like the resident evil like in the the modern resident evil games
I don't think they've gotten a praise as they should get in
The slew of all the games that release
Speaking of which good time to mention
The devs of a big question comes up during this is what you know
Can you start with this game and the short answer is that the devs have said I don't really understand this
They did say yes, I would say no, please don't because this game is like there's so many good throwbacks in this game
There's so many good things in this game where it's like, oh, it's this. Oh, it's that it's you know, especially as you get later into the game
But they say definitely play one two and four. I think that's that's the message that I'd like if you want to kind of get
Yeah, the major stuff one two and four
We'll cover it for the people that were asking that
Well, Resident Evil 1 has not gotten any remakes or remasters, has it?
I was just going to say, I don't think I've played number one.
Yeah?
Didn't they do...
They did...
I thought they did one.
Did they?
I thought they did.
Yeah, I thought there was like an HD or something.
I thought so as well.
Okay.
I know Resident Evil 2, because I remember Nemesis is running around and it's scary.
Yeah.
You will forgot remastered.
I will say this, if you've played to you're going to get the probably the biggest connect
to stuff.
Yes, like there's some major to throwback that is that is great to know and experience before
this one, especially if you did to remake even better.
Yeah.
Big time.
Yeah.
To remake is the one where you go in and you're in the the police station.
Yes.
It's also the sewers.
You play as hot.
You remember the police station.
Your base.
Yes.
Yeah.
I love the hunk playthrough. I thought it was the coolest thing when that happened
I don't know the hunk the hunk the hunk from Resident Evil. Yeah
Oh, so when you play through which which one is it resident evil? I
Don't know which one it is
But when you get through the whole game the police station and the sewers and all of that
Oh, at the very end when you beat the game you get to play through as hunk hunk is essentially the doom slayer of the Resident Evil universe
He's just a, no, really, he's just a badass.
Yeah, and he, he just works for the umbrella corporation and he just owns, you know, and
you play through the entire game, like all the doors are kind of unlocked.
You start at the bottom of the sewers, you climb all the way up, you go through the
police station, you go through the sewers, you go through the garage, you go through
everything and you escape in the span of what, like 20 minutes.
It's like a challenge mode and you start with a certain amount of ammo and guns
And it's got the most badass song playing while you're doing it.
It's just the power of fantasy then in the resident evil world.
Yeah. Yeah.
Sounds like yeah.
Let's say hunk is sick.
And I get hunk is cannon.
He is a he is a character in the resident evil universe.
Yeah, he is a complete badass.
Makes me like a bitch.
And now JP, if you ever talk to Will Neff, you have some bait.
If you ever wanted to get to 100 percent, are you too?
Oh, true. Oh, true.
I love that. Yeah.
Yeah, it might have been played that.
I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
I think we should also mention co like graphically visually this games absolutely insane like the lighting in it is so well done. I see trepidation under face co tell me I'm wrong.
You're not wrong. Okay.
But I don't like saying this game is amazing graphically because it's a first person game without an F of E slider and that is unacceptable.
Okay.
Where's the default FOV?
And look at this. Yeah, it's it's which which is definitely zoomed in.
It's like it is. It's not. Here's the thing.
There's different levels to bad FOV.
This definitely for me fell in uncomfortable.
Like there is no question.
If I had a slider, I would draw this out like no question.
There were people in my chat
that said that they could not watch the first person scenes.
Because I was like to the FOV because the FOV was because.
Well, I whip my round my mouth around a lot.
So like if it's kind of even a little more than zoomed in some people with bad
more than normal motion sickness issues.
Definitely.
Devils advocate.
What if the devs were in a room and they're talking about whether or not
they add that FOV slider?
It's almost in their mind at the time they compared it to, well, what
if we added a brightness slider and we just made the game really bright?
Now it's not scary anymore.
Maybe that FOV zoomed in adds more immersion than you realize.
And they force it upon you, which again, you can say it's wrong, right?
I have to get a question. And that's not wrong. I mean, setting the image and stage is always huge.
It's the developer's prerogative. I will say, though, with FOV, I'd say it's more of an accessibility issue.
Yeah.
Where, like, some people are not able to play games if the FOV is too drawn in.
It becomes uncomfortable for them to experience the world, which I think is a very good argument to having that kind of as an option.
But I mean, there's locked up of you for a reason, so, you know, that's, that's absolutely
the only has they left it out.
There's no reason to leave it out.
It was probably just my choice.
They must have thought it was a force of your own, which I don't have the right choice.
There are generally technical issues also on why companies won't include FOV sliders,
especially when games come out on lots of different systems, they're trying to
make them as optimized as possible.
They need everything to be kind of more locked in place.
So I mean, there's there's lots of reasons not to have an FOV slider, but it's
Great when they're there.
Yeah. So yeah.
Is that is that why the company like this?
Nine out of ten.
Probably. Yes. Yes.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
You can also play Grace's stuff in third person.
So yeah, that's their answer to that.
If you have like motion sickness to pop it out to third.
But I feel like that would like kind of destroy the whole part,
like the whole reason that Grace is first person to begin with.
It wasn't great, but I will say like the FOV wasn't great, but first person was still awesome.
Like I did not want to turn it off. It was it's a much more immersive experience when you're kind
of going through these really good looking environments and you can like get on a table
and go right in front of it and look at everything on the table and they're all
rendering beautifully and look real and it's yeah, you're very much there in those cases.
Yeah. You know, when you look at the bloody bathtubs and viscera and bodies.
Well, yeah, you're kind of going to it's funny how much you're showcasing in this random clip here
I also love the fact that almost every zombie has a story
Instead of just at least in grace's part and Leon's you just fucking murder every zombie. There's no story
And like grace's stuff every zombies got like a reason to do what they're doing
And for some reason that makes it a lot. I
I don't know if that was like an immersion thing or what, but super immersion. Yeah. It's really good. Whatever it is real.
It's like if you actually went into a hotel that got taken over by a zombie, like all the workers would have been in their things doing their things.
Like it's it's incredibly immersive. That woman in the bathroom back there, if you look at her face, she's one of the only zombies that has glass shards and planted all of her face because of the broken stuff.
She slammed her head and crazy.
So they custom made that model just for that bathroom.
Yeah, the way you're like looking down at all these corpses reminds me of
like when people play half sword for the first time
and they're just beating the hell out of people and there's psychopaths
just stabbing and torturing the bodies.
She was doing it in Resident Evil with high graphics.
I find that interesting.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, I like the light guy.
There's a light switch guy where if you go turn the lights on,
he'll go over and turn them off.
I think it's his.
No way.
Yeah.
Yeah, he just shambles over.
Oh, no.
These are playing with the switch.
He says that, even which is actually kind of disturbing.
Yeah, some of the zombies talk in this one, which is definitely a little like.
There's like, are there are there people in there?
Like what's what's going on here?
Yeah, it's it's a bit of a thing.
There's like a chef who's in there who's, you know, all about cutting things up
and performers, probably put people, people that became zombies
while they were doing their performances.
Those are the worst crazy. Yeah. Very, very bio-shocky. Yeah.
It's very, very years and we're going to have streamer zombies.
Right.
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I'm trying to think if there's anything else we should, we should discuss.
I think we both fully really enjoy the
It's a spoiler territory. Yeah, it's great. It's a lot of fun. Go play it one of the better re's. I think the console
Run well, so if you you don't have access to a high-end PC you can play on the console early
It runs decently on switch to yeah, that's it's got a switch to really that's right. Yeah
Yeah, somebody actually was like showing recorded footage of it and it was running cutscenes well, and I wasn't look impressive
Yeah, how long would you say it takes to beat this game?
If you skip everything, it's pretty quick
They were linking like three hour speedruns on that note.
I've been playing it, but that's like skipping every cut scene.
That's like running.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's a lot of office stuff.
I have been doing everything that I can do.
I've been full clearing maps and like getting every item and all the stuff.
I'm not done with the game and it's been about 10 hours.
I think 10 to 15 is what I've seen.
I think Co and I are around the same spot.
You might be a little bit further ahead.
You're like in the second half of the game
and yeah, we just got to that area.
So yeah.
What are you guys' opinion on game lengths in general?
Like this isn't, it's like a sweet spot.
It's pretty short, right?
Like 10 to 15 hours is a pretty short game
if you consider how long certain other games are.
What is your favorite game length?
Like are we talking 10 to 15 or a bit of a meteor one
like 40 or 100, 150 plus?
Who wants to go first? I think we might have all different answers. Yeah, probably go ahead JP
I
For me it just depends on type of game if it's like Resident Evil like high-quality triple-a thing
I think anything over 20 hours. It starts to be kind of a slog
But I think if you're playing like like an RPG or JRPG even you know 30 hours plus is fine with me
I played
Octopath zero recently and that was 90 hours. So like
don't mind the super long game. I think when it comes to streaming, I'm not going to stream
a 90 hour game. That's suicide. But playing it, I'm super on board just to play it. But
yeah, it's when it comes to like streaming, I think even 10 hours of a single player game
is kind of pushing it. So you have to, you get a, I think you get a varied answer across the
board. I don't think there's like a clear distinct game link that a game should always
stride to be. It depends on the game for me. No, no, for sure not. Yeah, maybe just like your
if you have like a favorite kind of like I like it when games are like this size.
Imagine if the Witcher, imagine the Witcher being a 10 hour playthrough. That doesn't work.
Right, exactly. Imagine Bioshock being 50 hours. Yeah, like that was probably. See, it all depends
on the type of game and like, you know, if a game is going to like Baldur's Gate, imagine
you beat Baldur's Gate in five hours, you know, so these, it's just a different type
of game. But if I pick one to have, as a gamer, I'd like the 180 hour games. I mean, so much
you get so much out of them. I mean, at the end of the day, but again, I don't want
resident evil to be 180 hours. I like it where it's at.
Yeah. Yeah. And like, I not only echo everything you guys say, for me, it's, it's entirely
dependent on a couple of things like for instance, I'm playing eugenics right now and the big thing about that game is, you know
I have 60 plus hours in this cat breeding game because of how deep it is, right?
There's tons of abilities tons of items tons of progression like I'm still playing it after 60 hours and still seeing new things
So it's like that kind of of long if zones are going to keep giving
Actual tangible meat to make the game fun like which are you the great example?
you were saying, which is a 50 plus hour adventure,
because each hour is fun and engaging and entertaining.
It's not like you're just running around
doing the same thing over and over and over
and by hour 30, you're like, oh man,
I'm sick of all these quality questions and voice acting.
It's like, it's that kind of thing.
It's good the whole time, so it's very enjoyable.
But then again, there's other games where it's like,
you wanna get in and out and get the good parts,
potentially, I'm not gonna be full clearing
a newbie soft standard open world experience,
not the absolute might be, there might be a fun little seven, eight
hour main story that could be engaging and entertaining.
Uh, so content is huge, but I will echo last thing I say is what JP
said, streaming 10 to 15 hour.
Like if you're doing it, unless you're doing an MMO or a persistent
competition game, like arc Raiders or the legend, like 10 to 15
hours is a sweet spot for streaming.
Anything after that, you start getting too many people coming in
that aren't keeping up with the playthrough.
Uh, they have no idea where you are.
They're just not interested at that point or tired of watching it.
So yeah, that's that part's rough.
Me doing my 120 hour Pathfinder playthroughs.
But I mean, at the end of those playthroughs, realistically, I'll start.
I'll do a stream for Pathfinder, Kingmaker have 10,000 viewers.
When I'm two months later doing the very last episode of that play
through, maybe 4,000.
Yeah.
Is that how it works?
It's interesting to hear that even from you guys.
Because at least we know you're not a viewbotting because that's how the viewbotting is.
I'm too old to viewbot.
If I were viewbotting at any point, everyone would know because you can just look at my exact numbers from all of us.
All of us. You can look at all of our numbers from 12 years ago and you can just look at all the curves and all the lines
and see exactly how it all adds up.
Like it's not, we don't, we don't have the luxury of being able to just pile on
thousands of viewers out of nowhere.
It's true.
Yeah, it's true.
Um, what about you, Annie?
What's, what's your preferred game time?
Yeah, I think, um, similar to what you guys have been saying, um, streaming
wise, absolutely what you said, I think 10 to 15, maybe like 20, uh, feels
okay.
Then after that, it gets really rough to keep streaming it because
like you said, there's people, um, people who were there at the
beginning may not still be watching because maybe they got busy or whatever, new people
coming in who maybe missed the first couple runs are like, oh, what's this? Okay, we're
like mid-play through. I don't know. Maybe I'll catch up on the Vots channel or something
to see what's going on because I'm confused. So definitely true with that one. And then
I generally really, as a personal preference in terms of what games I like to play,
I do like it when games are long, like Witcher 3, or when I was playing Fallout as well,
I like to take my time and just do everything, discover all the side quests and all that kind
of stuff. Although sometimes with streaming that does sometimes limit me, but in general
I do like it when games are longer, but when we get these games like Resident Evil,
which are quality games but still relatively short, it's really nice and I think especially
for streaming as well. Because then you can have the full experience and not feel
like you have to like hold back, you can do everything and that feels good.
I think the last game I played that was like a 180 hour type
except with cyberpunk streamed it.
Oh, yes.
And every single, every single quest I started on my chat was like, oh.
It sucks.
Main story, hurry up.
Get to the DLC.
And I'm just like, I don't even know what the deal.
I don't know anything.
I'm just, I just grabbed this quest and I'm just playing the game.
And I'm like, well, now I'm not supposed to look forward to this, I guess, you know,
like when we get, when we get through this slog, sorry.
So that's, that's the, that's my cyberpunk experience.
And I kind of learned, you know what?
That's probably how it go in the Witcher, probably how it would go in most of
those games, right?
This is how it is.
Yeah.
That's how it is.
But again, as a gamer, I want them 180 hours.
I'm, that's the most fun, truth be told.
Yeah.
I'm not even in Baldur's Gate yet. I'm still in Divinity, the one that Joey left me right.
Wait, how many hours in?
Well, how many hours in or how many hours total?
Open up steam.
There's a difference?
Baldur's Gate 3, I've got 963 hours.
We're looking at having beaten the game.
Hold on.
Okay.
I'm going to be the-
Wait, 900 and you didn't beat it?
Yup.
I'm going to be the adult here.
How much of those 900 hours were just completely blitzed out of your mind, Soda?
Like, what are we talking here?
All of them.
I don't think I've opened that game sober.
No, Vicky and I queue up.
We've had so- God, first we played and then we stopped playing because of what
I said before.
it got really annoying. Yeah. We looked at the game. We're like, you know what? This is
a game we need to really appreciate and not stream. Let's, you don't get a Baldur's Gate.
So we stopped streaming it, but then of course we started over. And then we got to like the
halfway point and I don't know, Christmas somewhere came around and then, you know,
a week passed. We're like, I forgot everything. Let's start over. Screw it. Started over
again. And then we downloaded some mods. We downloaded some mods and we got all
the way to a big shadow heart like cutscene and the mods bugged and corrupted our save
file. So we restarted again. And then, and they're like, you know what, let's stream
this playthrough. Same problem happened again. We stopped. And so again, only recently have
we seen Baldur's gauge. Oh, okay. So we got to the city, but we stopped. So we're
going to have to get back into it. Start over. Never beaten Divinity too. I mean,
Let me look at my divinity hours divinity regionals in two. I've got I've never played
300
Me too
3,000 212 hours
Yeah, yeah, I played a fighter. I've got all the those tech of you know getting the OP
uh, but get the Yankee sword from the
Dragon guy in fucking act one got all the tech read every journal 18 times
Shadow Druids all got it all down. Okay. Love that game. Never beaten it
Still nine hundred hours great
Yeah crazy
You is that the longest
Like what game I guess wow you probably have more hours in but is that the longest like sad player game? I
Think I can actually order it from I'm playing
How do I order this?
How much of that did you actually stream?
How much of the 900?
I would say there's probably 30 hours of streamed content in that.
Okay.
Maybe 40 or 50.
I've definitely streamed like at least four or five different unfinished playthroughs.
Yeah.
Different playthroughs.
I played it when it just came out and I did a full playthrough which took me 100
170 hours, and I did stream all of it. Yeah
Yeah, what class you got? I think that's my I think that was my longest longest
place or on stream
um, I
Don't even remember what they were
Play a lot of different classes if you're solo in soda
bring gale you bring shadow heart or you bring a starian they're not even a
class it's there I thought you meant classes like that yeah I mean I can tell
you about people I thought you meant like no no but what is your class when you
your character your tab what was it oh yeah cuz I had to pick one um yeah I
think I switched it around I don't remember yeah that's fair that's fair I
I'll accept that because it was very close to crazy it wasn't like it wasn't like yeah
here's your class and that's it yeah if I remember correctly it was definitely I
always play casters but yeah I don't remember the details of what a warlock
cantrip spamming sure eldritch blast over and over again okay yes I did that too
I'm trying to think I think I switched around I think that's why it's not like
100% clear in my brain what I played but yes for sure Warlock of course I
always play Warlock. We also had those new subclasses came out so we
like you got the Druid of the Stars. Was that a restart? Yes it did. Absolutely. We played it again.
and she was awesome.
I loved it.
I wanted to do a, what's the, it was like a new difficulty.
It's like a hardcore mode.
What is it?
They're called something like the boss
have extra mechanics.
Dark, no, no, Dark Urge is the RP of choosing that.
Honor mode, honor mode.
Dark Urge is the evil, honor mode, right?
I don't know if that was the name of it,
but that's what it was in Japan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it was honor mode.
So what I kind of want to do when you play through and if I do, I'll try that.
Yeah, I think it's a permadeath.
So if all four of your members die, you're you're a whole state.
It saves your game. It's OK.
And there's no saves coming of any kind.
Yeah, you should do that.
It won't be any different now.
I don't think that's smart to do when we haven't beaten the game initially.
We haven't even seen the end, but also I watched one clip
of a guy, he was going on an elevator in honor mode and the elevator bugged out and they fell
through it to their death and the same was gone.
Yeah, that sucks.
So it's great content though, you know, that's how those go to that bug.
Yeah, he died in honor mode, but I think I died to that bug.
Yeah.
So your my house stopped.
Yeah, I already messaged Barry about it.
He's working on.
He's doing things.
There's doing stuff.
Yeah.
here's doing so many tech things. I'm looking at you just like rolling to different monitors
tech doing this doing that. Yeah. Fixing Annie's cam fixing YouTube. I'm fortunate.
Go on JP. No, that's how it is. I have ADHD. Yeah. We're going to do the ADHD podcast
swap here. Are either of you Pokemon fans? Co and I aren't any. Are you a Pokemon
fan. Okay, this is gonna be fantastic. The three least Pokemon fans in the world are
gonna judge the new Pokemon trailer. As well as the starters. Yeah, this is Pokemon Gen
10 that was was news this past week. So give me your first thoughts here. My first thoughts,
I bet the Pokemon are gonna, I remember seeing a long time ago, a lot of the Pokemon, like
it was a pair of scissors and they called him snippy.
And then they had like a hairdryer.
They called him, you know, blowy or whatever.
And like that's, they just, they started taking appliances and just calling them Pokemon.
I don't know.
And that's how it felt.
I don't know about this though.
Is that Pokemon?
I don't know if that's Pokemon.
You might be, that's like a third.
I think it was.
It's like T-Mobile Pokemon or something.
Yeah.
I don't know what that is.
I swear, I saw it was on Twitter.
It could have been a I don't know.
Yeah, that's my power.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is.
These are the three the three starters here.
What do you guys think?
So who are you going to choose out of these three here?
I'm I'm going with.
We fell.
He don't.
Do they not say the names?
Oh, yeah, that's the name.
I chose the Japanese trailer for some.
Tell me this is angry.
Give me that.
I'll take an angry burp.
My angry leaf.
That's your name.
This is Brout.
Oh, I kind of like that.
Brout.
Okay.
Like a little sprout, but he's Brout.
Okay.
I kind of like that.
I'll be honest.
I don't like that.
You don't like this one?
What?
I like this one.
It's like a Puppert.
It's a Pomeranian.
I can go.
I could honestly go to like LA and walk around.
His name is Pombon.
I come out of yoga with this.
His name is Pombon.
Like Pombon Fire?
Oh my God, Pombon.
That's amazing.
Okay, I might need to see.
That's adorable.
I picked this one.
Okay, all right.
That's ridiculous.
So how does it go with this one?
100%.
Absolutely.
This is a sick ass.
No, you're right.
That is a slick-looking lizard.
Water Pokemon.
Unique, cool design.
The little water bottle is clearly symbolizing how is it edgy?
It looks high.
That's edgy.
That's not edgy.
It's still good.
That's Gekwa.
Gekwa Gekwa or French could be French.
Yeah.
Now the palm glorified fire Pomerania needs to go.
The bird is okay.
Just ugly, but I understand the design is fine.
I just think it's ugly personal opinion, but it's a great Pokemon.
This one is sick.
This is what I started with and it's better and I'm right.
Okay.
All right.
I think you're wrong.
But it's okay.
Everyone's got opinions.
You know, it's, it's fine.
It's fine.
Yeah, I mean, some opinions are wrong, but yeah.
Uh, what was the, oh yeah, I think that this was one of the reveals.
You can go under water now, uh, in the new Pokemans, uh, on the switch to, uh, there was also like at the end of the trailer, they did, uh,
I guess a tease for whatever the new elder Pokemon is going to be it's thunder based or something
It's this one is called Pokemon. Is it?
Wind and waves I think is the the the two switch because they have two skews for
Whatever the hundred and fifty first Pokemon is in this or the elder Pokemon. I don't I don't know anything about Pokemans
Okay, I just know the name
I'm sorry. What I wonder what the what is the Pokemon audience's general opinion?
Right because they're the other ones who are a batter in this. What do they do? Yeah, I saw general
I saw people generally excited about it
Um, okay
It looks good, you know, I feel like these these pokemon fans have been left in the dust for what 25 years now
Feeling like shit other companies. They get something better. Yeah. Yeah
I think I think they're just frustrated because other companies keep making like better non pokemon pokemons
That is just like dammit. The last time pokemon had
had the last time a Pokemon fan had some good Pokemon stuff happen was Pokemon Go.
I'm pretty sure that other Pokemon game that released was a flop.
It was trash.
It was terribly like it was just a flat boring nothing world.
Like crazy.
Yes, it was something.
Well, it was like the last Pokemon on switch was like a fairly contained like city and it
was not that exciting.
The one before that, Arceus was kind of more open world and expansive.
What? What do you mean you're not a Pokemon guy? Arceus?
What are you talking? What are you saying?
So this is the biggest fan ever.
Not. No.
This is my role, so I know everything, but nothing about everything.
OK, that's I'm very topical.
I read the headline and I don't read anything else.
OK, that's my fair.
that's my superpower here. Okay.
We're not saying is cam JP. Yeah, I know. I already messaged her.
She's she's working on it. We're doing things here. There's a lot
of stuff happening behind the scenes.
What else in the news Wolverine got a launch date September 15th.
I'm super stoked for that. How are you guys feeling about Wolverine?
The the PS5 game from it's good. Is that in some insomniac?
Is that right?
Yes, I know it's on the act. Yeah, it's by a very well-known company. I think yeah. Yeah, I don't know why I'm black
Yeah, what what came to the insomniac insomniac mate that was like awesome as hell Spider-Man Spider-Man
Spoter man's they made something else
Rats ratchet and click I've been ratchet and clink. Yeah, I just remember opening a game
Is that like a moon in the O?
Is that the like design?
Okay. Yeah.
It's playing in my head right now.
There you go.
The intro.
Yeah.
No, that should be very good.
Very exciting.
So it's about the X-Men Wolverine, I take it.
Welcome back.
Yes.
Yeah.
Have you not seen the trailer for it?
No, I have not.
Okay.
I forget that you live in the wild bubble.
Sometimes.
I do.
I'm so deep in this bubble.
It's unhelpful.
I haven't seen that one either, actually.
I can also be caught deep in the wild stuff.
I'll have it.
I'll have it run here without audio for you guys
so you can see it because it looks it looks pretty fucking cool.
I mean, it looks pretty great. Yeah.
It's Wolverine. It's gory.
It's got all the side characters.
That's a mega 13 mystiques in here.
All that stuff. Yeah.
We fix it.
It's like a single player experience.
A RPG style stuff.
This is like what they're calling game play, but they haven't shown,
you know, gameplay with UI and all that stuff in it. I suspect that will come in the summer.
They got rid of the moon. But random question, how do y'all think they're going to tackle the
health regen issue? You can't just play the game immune to death.
They show it. Or at least they show the regen occurring in this scene. But yeah, I don't know
how they will attach that. You think it's going to be like a, like, you know, that one
Wolverine movie X-Men where like he has that thing that stops his regenerating in his heart
I don't want to spoilers one of those X-Men movies. Yeah, Wolverine movies. Yeah, no, I think you'll be a mechanic like that
Or they're just gonna say
Can't take too much damage. Just you just roll with it. I mean eventually if he takes too much damage, right like I
Get if he's down to the bone. He's not gonna be like
move it.
Oh, Hilrich in.
Hilrich in over time, but I guess they could just fade to black, right?
If it's just the skeleton there, finding or something.
But yeah, I don't know how they'll approach HP values.
That's probably a thing they have to address pretty early on.
Oh, Mystique.
Yep, yep, Mystique's in there.
They even have a signal here at the end of it, a little tease for a signal.
So they're going into the Wolverine lexicon, the X-Men lexicon of mutants and all that
stuff.
Looks pretty badass.
I'm excited for it.
So this is a single player game, right?
Yep.
Yeah.
PlayStation and it'll be exclusive.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Okay.
Exclusive.
Okay.
Should be good.
PS5 and PS5 Pro.
Mm-hmm.
What are we going to say?
Well, I heard random news, and I want to get y'all's opinion, JP, I'm sure you
Tries to even brought it up.
Didn't someone step down from Xbox recently
or get replaced or something happened?
That is true.
What would you like to know about it?
So we spent, the reason I'm laughing is that was,
He's been on this show.
Yeah, yeah.
Really?
We did have Phil Spencer on the show
once upon a time.
Twice actually.
What did he say?
When he was on the show, he was great.
He asked them to go snowing
and then he never told.
Skidding.
Skidding, skidding, yeah.
I thought you were saying you had him on the show after he left X-Box.
No, no, no.
We had him on the show at a very exciting time.
We had him on the show like after Microsoft had been acquiring some companies and like
things were looking on the way up.
People were jazzed about, you know, things at least as much as they were going to be
at the time.
And yeah, looking back it didn't really, didn't really pay it out the way we
were talking about.
Nice.
Yeah, they, so.
Bring it down.
What happened?
They happen like between them here?
No, Phil Spencer, he left, he got kicked off, he joined someone else, what happened?
So Microsoft has been like doing a specific strategy over the last five-ish years.
They've been acquiring companies, they've been doing things to their live gaming service,
a lot of different things, really trying to kind of make the brand a mainstay.
And unfortunately, just a few weeks ago, I'm sure the ball started rolling in the
background but just got what last week it was basically announced that kind of
kind of out of nowhere but there's like some little pieces here and there that
say the writing may have been on law but kind of out of nowhere Microsoft was like
hey so Phil Spencer is leaving Phil Spencer put up a thing being like hey
I'm done with this and the person under him is leaving Sarah Bond who was kind
of like a relative other mainstay there and we're bringing in an executive
that has no experience in gaming but used to work at Facebook and has a
a lot of experience with AI. And she is going to now run the Xbox gaming brand.
Huh. Now, in y'all's professional opinion, how much do you think Phil and Sarah did at Xbox when
it came to serious business decisions, not just public face? So I will say that that Phil at
least, was not just a figurehead. He definitely had talked about in lots of interviews over
the years like what he wanted to do and how he thought it was going to go. He was very
much a PR person that was there to not only say that the current Xbox is good, but things
are in the works to make it even better. That was his big role. So for him to kind
of disappear and then have all this kind of happen at the speed that it did, he's
He's also a good time to mention, he was at what, 40 years?
You've been at Microsoft for 40 years.
He's been a CEO for 30 years.
And his departure was announced in a 24 hour period.
Not like, hey, this person's retiring in a month.
Hey, thanks for all your service.
You'll be here until the end of 2026.
It was sudden.
They announced it the day it happened.
Yeah, which is, again, just that's a little weird.
You would think that there's a little bit of a problem.
It might have happened behind the scenes, something not good.
There is all sorts of, yeah, exactly.
There's all sorts of conjecture and stuff.
I would say the one that I would probably sign up to,
if I were to guess, my, and this again, total guess.
My guess is that Xbox was tired that things weren't going great
and they probably gave Phil some kind of ultimatum
that he just, it was not okay going with,
that he was not gonna do it.
Be it start using AI or you're gonna need to fire
a bajillion people or we're gonna have to restructure
all those studios you bought in the last five years
to become profitable, like I bet something was,
and he was just like, nah, I'm not, I'm not doing that.
I've been doing this 40 years, I'm out.
And then they were like, okay, Sarah, you're gonna do it.
And Sarah was like, no, I'm also leaving.
I'm not doing that either.
You're gonna have to bring in somebody
who is gonna be, you know, able to do this.
Willing to do it.
Yeah.
And in comes this person with a background in AI.
So that's my guess.
Well, of course, never know for sure.
She could guess.
But I'm thinking I may have done what happened.
The thing about Phil is when we had him on the show,
Phil was a gamer dude.
Like you could joke with him about old school references.
He was a very personable guy.
Like he seemed like a guy.
He seemed like a guy with his head on the right place.
And we need those people in these positions.
We did.
I mean, there's an entire other discussion
on if his plan or to put all these studios
under Microsoft's umbrella was a good one.
especially considering that, you know, we're, we're already seeing a lot of
tumultuousness with, with other big companies are seeing a lot of not goals
hit with the Activision purchase and the fact that was supposed to really
kick off game pass and it just didn't.
So that's like another big kind of fail.
You know, who knows how much Phil was involved in that if he promoted it
and then it didn't work out.
That could have been being a base game or does that, it's not always
the only thing you need, right?
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
Interesting.
So I'm really hoping that he writes in memoirs someday because there's
so there's so many plates spinning that we're spinning because of that situation.
Yeah, it'd be wild to see like what actually contributed to all this.
Yeah. How is Xbox doing in the rat race versus Sony?
I heard they dropped out pretty much.
I mean, it's that that like it doesn't really exist anymore.
Xbox kind of started doing their own thing.
Game has a different things.
Yeah, it's wild.
They have like we're doing the same thing for a while.
They were.
Yeah.
Yeah, but now like Xbox games are on PlayStation, right?
They just launched a vowed on their month ago or so.
Forks is going to be on there.
Like they started putting their, you know, quote unquote killer apps on other platforms.
So they're just doing different things, I think at this point.
Basically, there's also new stuff, right?
Like the what's it called exclusives?
Yeah, well, they're doing a lot more PC stuff.
Yeah, they're putting their games on PC now.
I had the God of War exclusive, which was a hit awesome game.
Now it's on PC and now you're saying, again, I only bring all this up because you said that
Wolverine is going to be Sony exclusive.
Yeah.
Right.
You know, they might bring it to PC.
I think for shorter time now, I think before they used to be exclusive forever, like even
Final Fantasy games and things like that.
But then now it's more like after a year or so, it's pretty much on PC.
Oh, and didn't they just announced that the next Final Fantasy seven is going
to be PC same time and all that stuff?
like they're, they're, they're maybe they did square command said they're going to probably launch on everything.
Cause they're, they're starting to realize that like they lose so much money by not putting it on every platform.
So why would be, why would we take the money from Sony to keep it locked to the Sony ecosystems ecosystem
when we could make more than that by putting it on the final fantasy is like kind of a guaranteed.
It's going to sell really hard, right?
Yeah, I don't think they need to take some quick cash like people know that it's normally, normally they do.
They're having a little I think from what I've heard they're having more trouble with Final Fantasy 7 because they broke it up into three big games
And and they're having issues selling the second game when you have to have played the first one a lot of people don't and now
They have a third one coming out or it's like you have to have played the last two
So it's like every time they come out with a game their perspective buyer base gets smaller and smaller
It's just like streaming component of the
Streaming it's like the third week of streaming the same game. Yeah, exactly
It's like an episodic giant game.
You try to tell tale episodic game.
You have to play the first episodes or the third is not going to work.
I just can't.
So it makes me think of World of Warcraft
and there are five different versions of the game right now.
That's right. Yeah.
If I.
Something like that.
If you think it's probably five retail.
You can throw in hardcore.
Yeah.
And there's probably another version out there somewhere.
So right, that's the occasional modes like remix, ponder storm.
And a lot of people have a little fun at the time, right?
Like, like I'm logged into two different worlds right now.
Right now I'm leveling and chanting.
And so, yes. Fair enough.
Fair enough.
Yeah, I want to figure out when I'm going to introduce my kids to a while.
I it's got to happen.
I just I love chat.
If you turn chat off. Oh, dude, absolutely. They they they some of some of some of my older oldest kids friends at school play warcraft
He's in a situation where he's in classes with older kids like 12 13. So like they will absolutely they got the little wow clicks at school and stuff. Absolutely. They're all
I would not be surprised if people at my kid's school of kids knew who you were so
They they really
Absolutely yep bullshit
You know what you know what what one of these days I'm gonna be overhearing them
I'm gonna walk over with my phone and just be like hey real quick. Tell me have you ever heard of this soda popper guy?
Yeah
No, no, I
I would not be surprised at all, man.
Streaming is huge in the underculture.
Oh, streaming is huge, but World of Warcraft is like not in that area.
I imagine it's going to be like an older crowd.
Fortnite, Roblox, Rocket League, I could see CSGO.
Yeah, I'll take that.
Wow, it's still a big MMO.
Like wow is still, there's no, there has not been an MMO anywhere near its size.
So if kids want to go into that world, it's World of Warcraft.
There's like some other there's some like little free to play MMOs.
They sometimes talk about a couple of them I haven't even heard of.
There's like a Chinese one.
Interesting kids that but no, wow, it's still the big dog.
There's there's no bigger. Yeah. Yeah.
That that. Well, how do you think Pika gets viewers?
So, you know, weird, you know, what makes sense?
I've never heard it all again.
This is just my kids, but I've never heard any Final Fantasy 14 talk.
It's it's any MMO talk has almost exclusively been wow.
from these others. That's where all the waves reside though. The waves aren't cool.
I've said this and I got hate for it. I'm like, I understand. I see the numbers. Final
Fantasy has these numbers. But I don't see it talked about. I don't know where the numbers
come from. Well, you're in a wow bubble. You're in a bubble. And I'm like, you know,
maybe I am. But now you say that. And it's like, man, I'm going to go back to
my argument. I just don't get what happens. Maybe they're just single player Andes
and they play through only the campaign and then log off once they get the story and that's it and it
makes the numbers higher. And then it's like we're having discussions of what has more players. I'm
gonna say wow has more because they're absolutely MMO over by far. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's
probably it's it's tribalism. So like you are the wow guy. So anyone that's going to come and
watch you is probably a wow guy as well. And if you're a wow guy, you kind of already picked
your team. So in that case, like there's there's got to be people to play wow and
in Final Fantasy for sure, but both games offer like full amounts of things to do.
So it's really hard to kind of main both of them.
You got to pick a team.
So if anyone's coming to you, they're probably you talk, you talk to my community
about who plays Final Fantasy.
It's kind of light up.
There's tons of Final Fantasy players in my community, even more in his, because
he used to be, he still has an FC in Final Fantasy 14.
So it's, you know, it's, it's that kind of situation.
Actually had a lot of things.
Everyone talked to one.
I think we're live.
Yeah.
Sorry.
When I talk to people in real life, I've never really met someone that's not through streaming
who play FUN FENSE 14.
But I've known a lot of people who have played well, especially up to maybe Wrath or something.
I feel like I've known so many people in my real life who at some point played it,
but I've never really met anyone who played FUN FENSE 14.
And I discovered the game myself because of streaming, because people told me about it.
it. And then that's when I jumped into it myself to, you know, discover what it's all about. And
I really enjoyed it too. I've played the whole story and everything up to Endwalker at this point.
So I'm one expansion. A lot of content. Yeah. Yeah. Now I played a straight for like a year or
something or two. I don't know. So I've played a lot of it. Yeah, I mean, I think at the
end of the day, like, wow, it's just more culturally and socially relevant than Final Fantasy,
right because you have like Ozzy Osbourne and you know so many different celebrities out there having
night elf mohawk night elf mohawk yeah and you know it's been around for what 20 plus years at
this point and everyone you say wow everyone has someone or has an idea of world of warcraft right
so yeah it's just it's been around uh that it's it's existed for so long so that makes that
makes sense my perspective might also be from sweden i'm not sure it might be like a swedish
thing too. I think that's more like worldwide. Yeah, I think that's worldwide. I think you
in general is much more gamey, like more gamey players, more gamers. I was going to say it's
also, they're probably just much nicer people. We don't really talk to each other here in America.
You're saying like, you're saying like, you don't, you talk to people that play
well, not find offensive. I just don't talk to people. So. Oh, I can't explain that.
That is accurate.
So actually, Nick, who would visit a lot of times in the EU, he said it was a very weird
thing that people in NA would actually talk to you.
He said over in EU, no one's going to talk to you like why would you talk to this random
person on the bus?
But over in NA.
Oh, look at you, huh?
In NA, they do talk to you.
Yeah.
I joke about it, but I live in the south and there is a lot of people.
Yeah, the south especially.
Yeah.
You're right.
I'm in Texas.
Landon people will talk to you be like what you got in your grocery bags like who are you?
Yeah
I was gonna say I think Sweden especially is pretty special the Nordics specifically because I think England is the same when I was
1314 and I traveled to London for the first time. I was shocked when this woman on the bus was like
like, oh, hello there.
And started like asking me questions.
I was like, whoa, what's going on?
Why is she talking to me?
What did I do something?
Because in Sweden, no one talks to each other.
Like COVID happened.
And people like, oh, so like, did you guys do anything?
Cause people talk about how in Sweden, no one wore masks.
And then they're like, okay, how about social distancing?
Well, it's like, it's already ingrained
in our culture anyways.
So nothing really changed.
We already have that distance between us.
And it's a very, I think it's a Nordic thing,
not just Sweden, but I think England is
more like America in that way.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Maybe so.
I have not.
I don't think Ko and I are the right people to ask because we just haven't traveled outside
the US that much.
So we don't really know.
Never been outside the US?
No, I've been outside the US once.
Ko has maybe more.
I visited Barry in the UK.
Okay.
I went to Sacramento's wedding and that was it.
Yep.
Yeah.
Have you been you've probably been to Europe more than both of us? No? Yeah, I've been to EU plenty of times
It's a day. I said it's it's much more. There's a lot more gamers in you. It's more
Gamer culture going on and not like an substantial like way more amount
But at least in like my age group and all of that those there's more if you take your random 30 year old
there's more likely they're gonna be like some RuneScape player or some wow player or some
person who plays games all day, but you take like another random 30-year-old in
like N.A. there's a chance that they're cool and they're I don't know playing
basketball and they're they have friends and they go to bars and they drink
and shit like that. I think it's because of the cold culture in Sweden as well.
I think that's why Sweden is such a small country but we're pretty well
represented in games and e-sports and I think it's because it's so cold like
nine, 10 months of a year that people stay inside.
And we also have very good internet.
Most people own a PC and it just means that people have more access to gaming
and spend more time on it.
Yeah, probably true. Probably true.
All in gun gamers. That's what we got here.
A lot of ball and gun gamers.
That's what that's the term.
Ball around the streets nowadays.
Yeah, I've heard that.
Balls or it's got to have guns.
Otherwise it's it's dweebie.
It's true. It's true. That's how it is. How it is.
We can talk about, wow, we'll jump into the midnight discussion here,
which it's funny because midnight's not even like officially out.
It's still in early access.
So there's still so much feature wise in the game that's not really live.
I reached a quest last night, but you can't even finish at 90
because those things don't go live till Tuesday.
And I think a lot of that comes from Blizzard trying to, one, have a cash cow with people buying early access, but two, not piss off the rest of the fan base by having all the content done when the game actually comes out on Tuesday without paying extra money.
So that being said, how are you guys enjoying it? For me, it's more wow. That's my short take on it, which either take it or leave it depending on if you enjoy wow.
They're not trying to reinvent the wheel here.
But yeah, what do you guys think, Annie and Soda?
Go ahead, Annie.
You want to go first?
No, you got it.
You're going to have a better opinion of me.
I think your opinion is probably
going to be pretty valid, too.
You've played a lot of WoW.
I think retail has had a certain direction since,
I'll say Dragonflight, where they started realizing,
OK, people get pissed off when we
force them to do things that they don't want to do.
Shadowlands became one of the most talked about expansions
in terms of being the worst.
And one of the classic examples they gave
was the whole tour gas thing.
It's basically a system or a place in the game
where you had to, if you wanted to play something,
if you wanted to play it back, you needed legendaries
to play it optimally.
And to play it optimally, you needed to do tour gas
because that's the source of how you get your legendaries.
Let's say you do that, you spend time, you do tour gas,
and then suddenly you're like, wait,
Actually, I want to play this other spec.
Well, then you have to go back to TorGast
and repeat that again.
And then if you decide I'm going to level an alt,
well, now you have to go back
and do that thing again for your alt.
And it's just bad.
It got taken.
They call it TorGast.
Yeah.
Yeah, they started calling it TorGast.
People got annoyed of it.
And it was sad because TorGast in its own
was actually a pretty cool idea.
But if you even talk about TorGast at this point,
it's PTSD for most people.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want to deal with that.
but it was a cool little mini-game,
I guess you could call it,
but because it was forza-
It was a roguelike.
I liked it.
Yeah, it was a roguelike.
I thought it was gonna be cool.
It's a roguelike in WoW
where you would go in,
and every time you clear a floor,
you would get these crazy powerups
that really changed your character.
Yeah, you'd be cool.
Like Hades.
This is gonna be sick.
Get these three options.
Yeah.
Yep, just like Hades.
It was not fun though.
It felt more like you didn't accomplish anything,
just got it over with. Because it wasn't necessarily hard.
Because it was forced, right?
That too.
Like, I think the first times that I did it, I still thought it was fun. Because it is
a little mini-game and I thought it was cool because you could do multiple runs and you'd
have slightly different builds and it was, it was fun. But the fact that it was forced,
I think made it feel really bad. Because then you felt like, I have to do this just
to play the game. And that's when a lot of people started having this very, very
loud voice about how when you want to play well, when you want to raid, you
shouldn't be forced to do all these other things. If you want to PvP, you
shouldn't be forced to do these other things, right? And I think Dragonflight
was the first expansion towards that. They also removed the, or they stopped
forcing people to have to log in daily. So you have your world quests, for
example, that used to reset daily. They changed that, so now it resets like
once or twice a week, so you don't have to be there every single day. And
And even if you do want to do them, or sorry, even if you do skip them, it's also okay because
the reputation from them does not give you player power. So suddenly the game is a lot more casual
friendly. And then they also, was it War Within or Dragonflight, where Delves were also introduced,
which is basically kind of like doing a dungeon. Yeah, okay. That was the first of the trilogy thing.
Right. So they added Delves as well which kind of continues with that same philosophy to not force
people to do things that they don't want to do, but also give them things that they could do on
their own. So you have like mini dungeons, you can do them on your own and still progress your
characters and get some gear etc. And now with Midnight, I feel like we're going in that same
direction where people have become pretty comfortable with it. So like you said, there's
no like reinvention it's not because people sometimes come to my chat they're like okay so is this it
is midnight the one is retail back and i'm like well like if you didn't like retail since dragon
flight it's not going to be that much different but if you did like it it's an improvement since
then because there's been little bits of things that have added to the game uh war within also
brought warbands suddenly many of the quests in the game are account-wide before you needed
to do all the quests on every single character. But now, when you do them on your main, you can
skip them for the rest of the characters. You don't have to do them again. So there's a lot of
things like that that has basically made the game more casual friendly. But yeah, no reinvention,
no new thing that's supposed to grab people's attention in a crazy, whoa way. But it's a
continuation of that. Yeah. Is that still a thing within the community, like the whole
whole idea of retail being back, isn't it? Has it retail been fine since Dragon Flight?
For the most part? It has been. But a lot of people who don't play the game have this idea
that like, wow, sucks. Yeah. They want the expansion to drop and then have proof that
ha, it still sucks. It's funny because I had this, I made this shorts where I show
how I saw somebody who did their housing, which is one of the biggest features I guess
of Midnight so far, where he had built a plane. And that video kind of like popped
off for me. And I was like, cool, I'm going to open up the comments and see what's going
on. And the majority of the comments, the majority of the comments, I guess I'm not
that used to my videos reaching people outside of my own community. And the comments
were like, Oh my God, the game is so gay now. Oh my God, this game is so bad.
Those are like, those are like the 40-year-old villains, like this, this, this, this.
No.
And it was a lot, and they had hundreds of likes as well, like each comment, like saying things
like this, and I'm just like, whoa, like what happened?
Huh.
So, yeah.
A lot of people hate me.
There's, there's, it's a lot of blind hate, I would say.
It is a lot of blind hate, because I'm playing TBC right now, but yeah, I lose
TBC.
TBC's the best.
I love TBC too. I'm raid logging. I have nothing in TBC to do with my character right now.
So I think a lot of them look at retail and they look at these old expanses with these rose-tinted
goggles. I mean it all has issues. And you mentioned earlier like retail is very casual
friendly. It is. And they don't force you to do anything. I think there are times where you
do need to force players to do stuff. But Torgas just sucked. It just sucked. And being
forced to do it sucked even more. So again, they listened to like Reddit and these wild
forms of people complaining. And a lot of these complaints are just because they're
bad. They're just not good and like, oh, here you go. Here's this thing. And a lot of people
didn't like that direction. And then of course, you know, you start doing that and then
they bring in things like housing, which I love housing. I think housing is awesome.
I think it's super cool to get and not even being sarcastic to get a dresser.
I can never tell when you're being sarcastic by the way, so thank you for saying that.
I clarify.
No, I clarify.
Yeah, there's like a dresser and I'm like, you know what?
Housing is cool.
It doesn't take away from really anything, right, at least not from retail.
If you added housing and TBC like, well, now no one's going to be hanging out in
the city and the world's going to feel dead, which maybe is valid, but I like
the housing.
I think it's cool.
It adds to the game.
I agree.
Retail, it is retail now.
And funnily enough, retail at the highest level is the hardest version of the game you can play, period.
Retail, not TBC.
Raid perspective, Mythic Plus, even Arena, all of it, it's more difficult.
Yeah, it's true.
But again, like most of the people playing are logging in once a week.
They're doing their world quests and then they log off.
That's like majority of the player.
It and so you have like these gamers on you know
TBC and they're literally hitting four buttons. This is a real game. It's actually easiest shit
It's all fucked a whole while community is just cooked
They're wrong in so many different variations and so stupid and blind
But a lot of them have good points, you know, like like retail absolutely panders to account to casuals in some ways
But it's also hard as shit TBC is awesome and I'm playing I'm logged in right now on TBC doing enchanting, right?
Yeah, um
It's all cooked man. I don't know all cook
I don't know if what I said just made sense
Yeah, no, you're right and it's it's sad to to see how
The player base is actually so split like classic versus retail is such an ongoing discussion
Get some like that within the community thing.
Yes.
At least I've experienced it.
Have you sort of, or what's your opinion?
Uh, uh, well, sorry, I was reading it.
I just read a chat comment.
Someone said, go try and get, or try and speed run next Ramis on classic.
If you're going to call classic easy.
I have seen some of these classic Nax Ramis speed runners attempt mythic plus
and mythic rating, and it is embarrassing.
So how much you go over into retail and you try and do stuff coming from
someone who hasn't even played retail in a while.
So I look at these classic PVPers going TBC
and they can't even break 1800, but they're known as the best classic PVP.
They fucking blow.
It sucks. So.
That's as an avid single player RPGer.
I love hearing this like nerd off going on.
Yeah. Oh, no, no, no.
I speed running it with King Kong's dick in your hand.
Yeah. And then get back to it.
Yeah.
And it's just it's so cool.
It's so cool.
It's just on both sides.
Everyone is stupid.
And then I don't want to say anything like, no, you're stupid.
It's like, you know what?
I guess I'm stupid, too, then.
We're all dumb as hell playing this early access retail or we're also playing
this 30 year old game that's been beaten 50 times.
Everyone's done.
The whole thing's done.
Love the game to death, though.
Maybe that's been great.
Pretty solid expansion so far for retail, what it is.
But you're right.
Like, I think the early access is stupid.
Um, I hate that it splits in it.
Like it honestly kills the viewership on Twitch.
It should all be this big hype, big release, but no, let's split.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
Well, I saw like that.
I had friends doing sponsored streams for a while this past weekend, but
the sponsored streams, they were playing midnight.
They were talking about like, get ready guys.
Midnight releases Tuesday, but you can jump in now for early.
It's like, what the fuck?
I just put the game out at one time, let everyone buy in and that's that.
Like, yeah.
Only people.
And most of the access.
Yeah, yeah.
So in the in the world as I'm leveling, I've seen very few people out.
I only recently turned on war mode where you can like PVP people.
Yeah.
Two of my PVP interactions of like the five I've had have been against race
to world first players.
Like that's it.
It's all people in liquid.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
It can be there on the 18th all point is
the only people I'm seeing in the world are the best players in retail period.
That's it. I'm not seeing any random.
That's all the only people logged in because there's no point in playing
early access really for your average person.
It's just these retail race to war first gamers.
Yeah, because once you max level, there isn't much to do.
Right. Yeah. There is nothing to do.
You can't do, yeah, Mythic's launch Tuesday, right?
Mythic is like Tuesday, yeah.
So you can do Heroics and you can do Mythic's on Tuesday
and then the raid is in what, three weeks?
What's the pipeline?
Two weeks, three weeks, something like that?
They, they, yeah, something like that, maybe, yeah.
I don't know.
So, yeah, I think it's 17th, but I'm not mistaken.
Anyways, right, Midnight is a very retail expansion.
It's just retail and it's gone in direction.
a lot of people don't like, but this is the direction it's gone. And it's solidified.
It's not going to change. Uh, it's, it's core base likes what it is right now.
They cannot pivot. Um, and so if you like it, you like it, but there's a lot of
things I really hate about retail. I could, I could go on about, uh, number one,
JP, you messaged me and said, why don't you level as guardian drew it?
It's OP. And then before we got this podcast, you told me,
you've ran around hitting the one button rotation. That's right. Even it
Reduce your damage by 25% flat.
100%. Yeah, 100%.
But it doesn't matter.
He's running around holding down his 4 key, which apparently just spams it.
Yeah.
And his auto pulls everything around him, kills everything around him.
He is immune to death.
Why the hell are tanks so strong?
It's ridiculous.
Yeah.
True.
Tanks should not be the strongest class in PvP.
That is absurd.
It is so unfun.
I'm sorry.
You are immune to death.
The damage is higher than mine.
It's I don't even know what the hell you're doing though. It's so stupid
There's an even worse example of this so
One of the new mechanics they put in is this like pray mode once you finish the campaign
Pray is like Annie. You'll have to help me here. It's like a oh, yeah, the new system. Yeah, it's like a PvE
PvP mode where it's like wait, it's not meant to be PvP. Well, it's not meant to be PvP, but I feel like it simulates
It's what Blizzard.
Right.
Like the road I'm ganking up to.
Yeah.
So like you get ambushed by the NPCs.
Yeah.
You just you're out like questing, doing whatever, fighting, whatever.
And then a random NPC just attacks you, right?
And then they'll run away.
I never thought it like that.
It's true.
Yeah.
I feel like it's them potentially trying to be like, this is what PvP is.
If you want to participate in this, there's more systems for you to go and check out.
It's honest.
You're going to turn them all off of PvP even more, but no one.
Yeah.
Well, you get gear and stuff for it. So they're still going to do it. But anyways, uh, perfect example is I had a friend who's playing the new demon hunter spec, which is devastation. Is that right?
It's like a melee is cast for demon hunter.
Void something?
Yeah, whatever the name is, I forget. Anyway, devour.
Devour?
Yeah, I know what it's about.
he got he went pulled like three mobs got attacked by his PVP or sorry by his
prey NPC and died right because he's not a tank he's a DPS so the MPP plus the
mobs the mobs that he was fighting were whatever so I'm level 88 last night
there's a level 90 elite rare I pulled the level 90 elite rare that has like
like 600,000 or wait, no, like 5 million.
6 million.
Yeah.
Like 5 million or 6 million HP.
And the mob comes and attacks me.
No problem.
I just sit there and tank them both.
I have no problem whatsoever fighting them both because tank and questing is just like insanely
easy.
I just kind of did this and shifted to the right and then held down for.
You're going to buy a catalyst of where I'm going to complain, okay?
Okay.
You clearly don't play.
Tanks do more damage.
They do more healing and they take less damage than anything else.
Yeah.
And literally, like mathematically, they do.
And I think the only thing they can do is in real life collectively to make a list
of all the people that play tanks and just shun them from society.
Yes!
The scarlet letter we could just put a T
Like somewhere on them and just nobody just
Doing that oh one of my friends being right he actually decided to play a prop paladin in a blizzcon arena tournament
And I this was five expansions ago. I have not let go of that
He won blizzcon with it and I don't think I don't count it as a win because he decided to play a prop
Pali an arena fuck you being and fuck everything you stand for I did not forget
I wasn't even in that tournament from the fucking sense. So yeah, it's stupid.
You're not able to play tank and PVP. It's such an unfun like get out of it.
Go tank a dungeon. That's what you do. All right.
Nothing else. Sure. Do world quests.
But if I see you in the world, I should be able to beat the shit out of you.
Yeah, the best.
So good. Go ahead.
I had a similar conversation about tanks in PVP.
I think it was yesterday because a guy came into my into my chat
and was like, yeah, Blizzard really needs to fix it so that we can, you know, play tank in arena.
So I was like, no, no, why would you want tanks in arena?
Look at JP's stance.
Kissing me off.
Yeah, meanwhile, it cuts over to you and you're fucking sweating there, like wiping your breath.
I
Corruption trying to get big a we you know pop and defensives tanks the health doesn't
You see how I have the hot bar where it's just one big button
It's it's so stupid, I don't know who it like it's so unfun
And yeah, no tanks suck. It honestly is turning me off from the game altogether.
Blizzard does not care about PvP at all. I know they don't.
It's always been, it can always be a master thought in a lot of ways.
I have played so many MMOs over the years, between 20 and 30,
like I led guilds in probably 10 to 15 different MMOs.
It is wild how often an MMO can start going downhill
downhill when a dev team starts prioritizing a class or a type of playing the game. Like
that is ended different MMOs. Not saying it's happening here, but I mean, like I've lived
through that multiple times. It's interesting. Yeah, you're right. Like they do, like again,
they have PVP talents, you know, and you can tell that there's some balancing ish
that goes into PVP. So it's not an entire afterthought. But then there's times
like this and sometimes the most OP class in PVP is doing like not enough DPS in
PVE and then they just buff that class it's like you're the strongest class in
PVP the strongest so there's got to be something else you can it's it is down
on the priority list and it makes sense you know it does I can't be that mad
about it because yeah most people play for PVE yeah it's like 90% 98% of the
player base like I can't get upset about that but Jesus Christ I should be able to kill tanks
They should be able to die. I'm still bothered by that like I can't get below 90
Yeah, yeah, huh
Or like at least reduce their damage done. Yeah, if they taking this damage store, but like reduce their damage done at least
It's definitely a problem that's been there for a while now. Like I remember
They did like a big smile while you do this pull, look at you, it's already dead, oh god.
That was just a single mob, so I was like, this is kind of beneath me, you know, I gotta go pull it.
What a waste of time.
Oh, of course.
I had to go pull it.
It's a full tank.
But yeah, it's the tank thing is, I think, just a symptom of wow being wow for the longest time now.
Annie, I want your thoughts on the add-on pruning that's happened, since you actually
played like the last couple retail extensions, when you know the add-ons requirements were
at their peak.
I didn't play Dragonflight, I didn't really play the war within.
You did.
So what are your thoughts on it?
I'm listening but I'm going to go with the back.
So I'm not sure if you guys know, but so they did make a stance on removing combat
at or limiting the information that combat add-ons would use, which would then limit
how much information they can give to the players, pretty much, and that's, it's been an ongoing
process, I guess you'd call it. I was looking forward to it. I was thinking it's a good
thing that we're not going to be relying on add-ons because it also means that Blizzard
is going to be, you know, forced to put more things in the game itself, which is
going to help us read the game because ultimately what that would mean is, for example,
When they design boss fights, they don't have to design with add-ons in mind, so they can design them in a way which makes it not like in a way that doesn't force you to have to have add-ons, and don't make it ridiculous for people who don't use them.
I remember there was one boss fight, people call it the Among Us boss fight, which if you
weren't using a weak aura, you wouldn't be able to easily do it, especially if you're
not on voice with each other.
The basic mechanic of it was, let's say you're 20 people in the raid, there's like people
who have a sort of demon above their head, you have to physically see it, and then
you have to figure out which one is the real demon, or which ones are the real
demons and you know that by most people targeting the same person like I might see the demon above
soda and above co and then maybe JP sees it above you guys as well but then maybe co sees it on me
and then we're gonna then decide together well two on soda two on co only one on Annie it's
probably one of those two who is the one right so instead of people trying to figure this out
live because it's pretty complicated especially if you're not voicing with each other yeah
People had add-ons solve it for them and having fights like that is I think really bad for the game because you shouldn't have to use add-ons to
solve it
Because it completely defeats the purpose of solving it in a place. I don't think I don't think anyone ever killed that boss without
Add-ons telling no
Yeah, that was a really that was like probably the worst example or like the best example of how bad it got
But yeah, so the idea of removing add-ons
I think is great. And I was looking forward to seeing how that's going to pan out.
However, the past few days what I've discovered is that people have come up with tons and tons
of workarounds. So DBM is still going to work. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. So we're kind of like back
to where we started. And I mean, there's some things which are still limited. So
we cores won't be able to make the calculations anymore. You know, for example, where they
see these debuffs of these people and then tell you like, yeah, so to move to X, co move to square,
the weak or won't be able to do that, won't be able to solve the fight for you. But
DBM will still be able to be like, hey, run away, because like something happened from the boss,
like or a spread or whatever, which was something that they, I don't know if they specified it,
but at least I had the understanding that things like that wouldn't be possible.
But apparently they're using the API in a way which makes it possible.
they have things like the spell names secret in the API, but in the API you can find duration of
abilities, so therefore you can connect and be like, okay, the ability that would just three
seconds long, must be this ability, and at that point we want this to happen, and yeah,
so that's how they're making the add-ons anyways. So yeah, it's a...
So basically they tried to do a good thing, but the community said, now we're going to
fuck it up pretty much yes and I think a lot of people I think it is I don't
want to call it a loud minority either I think it is a lot of people who do want
the add-ons there so it's a really difficult decision even to make even
from Blizzard side what are you what are they supposed to do and that I think
they want back on was a healer healer buffs them in frames they actually
completely gave up on that one and they made the healing buffs, they made that not secret
information anymore. So you can put that in add-ons.
The big healing buffs? Explain that again.
Like for example, like tracking, like if you have raid frames, I can now track which
healing buffs are on each player because without add-ons you couldn't do that nicely because
like filtering, you know how normally if you have like 10 druid buffs, maybe you
I don't want to see all 10.
Maybe you just want to see what's important.
You couldn't do that without the API.
Pause the video right here.
Pause it.
OK.
Sorry.
Count how many rows of random shit are under my target
right now.
Yeah.
That is absurd.
That is six rows of shit.
I don't know what any of that is.
Yes.
I mean, even like my Jesus Christ, I mean, it's I love this
frame.
That precious rib, precious is ribbon is shown as a debuff or
rather on this guy.
Very important.
That is ridiculous.
I mean, this is one random fight.
I mean, it gets worse than this, man.
We're about to add another row to it.
It keeps you looking at the row.
It gets crazy, man.
This is a random fight.
Let's kill this guy.
So like, dude, this is my biggest issue with retail
is there's just so little dude, dude, dude, look at the pink.
We might get eight rows.
I mean, it's starting to leak down to my action bars.
So oh my god, it's so annoying.
And also this is a tank, by the way, that I'm killing.
So good riddance.
Yeah.
Actually, I think those TPS is through.
OK.
Yeah, no, I mean.
There's way too many buffs and debuffs in the game.
Like a lot of them are pointless too, so it's just bloat, it makes it unreadable, it makes
it unfriendly, and it's pointless.
Yeah, and again, you have an add-on that kind of shows the important healing spells.
I personally wish like add-ons were gone completely, and I might be in the minority.
Get rid of them entirely.
Force everyone, sure you can move your health bar to wherever you want on the screen,
but your health bar looks the same as everyone else's health bar if you go to their stream
or look at their gameplay.
I would love that.
Yeah.
However, we have a lot of people.
I would support it.
We have a lot of people who have been using like LVUI, they're not used to this health
bar.
Yeah, I know I hate tuning, but the thing is, that's what that's they feel the same
way, but the opposite.
So if you take the imagine, imagine if we had to use LVUI.
That's how they feel.
But yeah, I would.
I personally want everyone.
It's the only game that does it like this, and I understand it's not Blizzard's fault.
It's just over 25 years of add-ons at Gus's point.
But the other problem is, like these rotations are so complicated that you do want to optimize.
But the in-game base Blizzard interface, even after all the things they've recently
added, you can't really do it efficiently without add-ons, especially as a healer
problem with tracking all these stuff.
Yeah, the healer is tracking stuff for sure, but apparently in terms of rotation things,
because people were giving, was it rogue spec, I think, where they said you can't play it
efficiently without add-ons, like completely impossible.
And what they've done with Midnight as well, which is another source of complaints from
people, they've actually simplified a lot of rotations.
They've removed some abilities, they've like combined abilities, and people call it
dumb it down, I guess you could say that, to a degree. But they've made it more
use, like, possible to play without needing add-ons to track certain things.
Yeah, I think it was Outlaw Rogue. I never played Outlaw Rogue, so I don't know what
the exact story of it was, but apparently it just was unplayable if
you don't have add-ons. And for myself, I always played Destruction Warlock and
honestly I don't think anything really changed for my spec. It was
always a pretty simple spec, or like, simple number of abilities rather. But
But some specs, they lost a lot more.
And apparently that's their, the intention is to make it simpler and yeah, not have to
rely on add-ons.
I think Ian actually talked about it too.
He called it combat rogue.
He said, yeah, like we're aware, you know, combat rogue.
It's not okay that you have to rely on add-ons to play efficiently.
And yeah, that was one of the other focuses with Midnight to fix things like that.
Got it.
Yeah.
might be the first expansion that has ever released where they didn't really add
I know they added the unlike whatever your new talents are but it's more of a
passive for most I think maybe some classes have a little bit added and
changed here and there but if anything everyone's rotation that's simpler not
really any new spells were added only spells were taken away this might be
the first time I think that's true for the most part yeah I think so too I
I mean, in comparison to the other expansion.
Yeah, yeah.
Sure. But anyone playing like Ferald Druid is now simpler.
Outlaw Rogue is now simpler.
Desherlach is either the same or simpler.
Simple as that. Just this.
I mean, I didn't play the war with it.
I'm loving it.
I like it getting a little more simplified, a little more pruned, a little more
easier to track, I guess. Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, Desher did get easier to play.
I think a lot of the war within elitists
are going to be annoyed.
No, you're right.
So they're upset about that, but I think it's great, personally.
I still think a lot of it's stupid, like for example, my rotation,
what I need to do is I have to put rake on a target
and then I have to put rake on another target.
I have to tab target between 30 different health bars, right?
And I have to track this rake thing that lasts what?
Six seconds, nine seconds.
It's kind of hard to do that without an add-on.
It helps, and that's a problem.
That's unfortunate.
So, things like that, that's unique to Feraldjord.
I don't know what other classes have.
They probably just spam fan of knives over and over and over and over and over and over.
You don't have that on.
Or, you.
It does everything.
It takes care of it all.
It's great.
It's really powerful, the four-button.
Absolutely hate it.
Story-wise?
Do people I don't know if you guys are the best to ask if you're into the story of midnight. Is that accurate?
That's accurate. I've never been like a big lower person. Okay, I don't know about soda. I got lower. No, I got lower. Don't spoil it
No, go ask me. I got it all down. Well, I'm just asking like did you like the the story of midnight thus far?
Well, I'm two out of four zones completed.
So I'll let you know.
And one of the zones had zero lower in it.
But which one? Which one had zero lower?
The zone you're looking at on the screen right now, I pretty much know lower.
Oh, oh, OK. You didn't like the yummy.
We're unlocking a new race here.
And they're like the new race, by the way, that you can't play till Tuesday.
Yeah, also, and the racial sucks.
I'm not playing him anyways.
Yeah, that was pretty much all this was.
There's really no cut scenes.
I was pretty happy to like, I'm excited for this podcast to end because I'm
locking into a new zone, the actual lore right away.
And go do the, uh, just finish the zone.
I'll say this is a, a complete casual, uh, go do the Eritor stuff.
Uh, yeah.
I got people, you know, all my chance to go to ZA, go to ZA, really?
Well, he's got some like cool callbacks, but like the Eritor stuff,
you actually go and do like they have a Warcraft two callback where
They talk about stuff that happened in the story of Warcraft 2 and,
and, uh, you know, the lore around that.
And, and.
Interesting.
I was very surprised.
I thought that was the best story.
Yeah.
I thought that was the best story in, and while he's probably all the time.
So Vicky is like, she's an MMO player.
She played, you know, Arcade.
She's played all of them.
It just never really did a while.
She's been playing well, obviously for like two years now,
but it's been so nice to have someone who's an MMO player
that doesn't know anything.
So I just get to it's her first experience with all this stuff.
And we recently smoked a huge joint.
We watched five hours of just wow, lower cinematics.
And I showed her every cinematic.
She loved Shadowlands Lore aside from the jailer.
She loves Sylvanas.
She liked the cut scene.
She loved the BFA lore, or at least a lot of the cut scenes and whatnot.
She loved Saurfang.
I thought Saurfang was awesome.
Yeah.
She thought Jaina was cool.
Yeah.
So she's probably going to love this lore, too.
Now, she also thought that go ahead.
I was just going to say real quick, if there's one thing Blizzard has always known it's cutscenes, man.
They are a master class.
Like, love Merhaden.
They are so good.
Yeah.
Oh, you're right.
And, you know, she's excited about this lore.
She likes Zeratath.
OK.
What's Zeratath?
Zeratath.
That's a system.
Close enough.
I don't know.
That's her sister.
Yeah, she thinks she thinks she's cool.
She likes the Void lore.
She loves the deep lore of the old gods.
Yeah.
And, you know, kill Jaden and all that bullshit.
Okay.
What is it?
Sargeras.
She loves it.
That's good stuff.
Cool.
Yeah, we'll see where this goes.
That's the other thing with Midnight and this happened with like more within is
you don't get all the story in the expanse.
It's not like, I guess Final Fantasy is the only parallel I have, where there's not like
the entire story bookended right there, right?
You get kind of like the beginning of it, and then they tell the story through the patches
after midnight.
Is that accurate?
What would you say?
Yeah, and it's also, sometimes it's presented in different ways.
Like if you really want to get into the lore, you have to go and interact with a lot
of NPCs in the game or like the tablets in the game too.
I was actually talking to Noble yesterday a little bit about Laurence stuff. He's like the lore guy of wow
Yeah, and yes, he was talking about how he when he's spending like maybe half an hour reading this tablet and like really analyzing it
And then he sees a person who just comes in clicks it and walks away, and I was like, I'm so sorry
That's me. I needed it for the achievements and it's so funny to have that like contrast with it because he gets really into it and
And I don't it's hard for me to sit down and just read all those things
I'll just watch your video instead
Exactly
We don't get it from the tablet you get it from the tablet we get it from you. That's right
Yeah, not even I'm not even trying to be funny. I guess actually it
I wouldn't have any of the lore without people like like novel doing that. Yeah, I wouldn't know anything
Oxygar I wouldn't know about broxigar or any of them
Yeah.
It's true.
Danny, I'll know about RoxyGar, do you?
RoxyGar is a little too much of a deep cut.
I know Novel, but that's it.
All right.
Yeah.
Is that drop?
No, no, that's, yeah, let's just go with you.
Yes, that is correct.
You got that one correct.
I'm caught up.
You're all good to go.
Yeah.
So that's, that's well.
I, I, we didn't really mention the housing stuff.
I think housing is pretty well received though, right, Annie?
like you've done a decent amount of,
you were like a part of the,
did you, were you a part of your own competition
and then also Blizzard did a competition?
Like what was the full thing there?
Can you explain?
So about a week ago, I did one,
like an official one with Blizzard
where I got paired with another streamer
and then a bunch of other people were also paired
and we kind of like all went against each other
competing.
And then I did another thing a few weeks ago
which was hosted by another streamer,
was it months ago at this point?
Maybe like a month ago, I don't remember exactly.
And so we had another thing where we,
she took in applications from viewers
and then we went there and like judged their houses basically.
So I've sort of been part of two events you could say.
But yeah, I think housing is great.
I think my only, I have two things with housing,
which I don't think they'll change and I don't like
because there's a lot of things that I could mention
which is bad, but I know that they're working on it.
For example, I need an undo button.
Like I move something and it's like, oh no,
like I accidentally moved it too far.
I can't.
No undo button.
No, but they've talked about it.
So it is coming.
And there's a lot of other things to like copy.
If I wanna, cause I changed the size and angle
of something or rotation rather,
I just wanna copy it
because I need three of them maybe.
But instead I have to take a new one
or resize it, rotate it for each one.
But that's also coming.
Another thing is people have been really creative
where they just put a bunch of pieces together
and they create, let's say a piano or a plane,
like I said before.
So they pick a bunch of pieces
which are just good building blocks essentially,
like a Lego kind of, and they put it together.
Oh, like in this clip here,
we see how TNE were building a running machine
or like a walking pad.
What are they called?
Running machine?
I guess it's a running machine.
A treadmill.
Yeah, treadmill.
Thank you.
I knew it was something else.
Yeah, a treadmill.
So you can like, you know, if you're creative with it, you can really be,
you can put anything together and create whatever you want.
And, um, uh, I lost my train of thought there.
What was I going to say? Oh yeah. So once you put all those things together.
Yeah. So once you put them together, let's say you don't want it to be there
anymore. You want it to be on the first floor and you're going to have
to move each piece individually, which is not fun.
Uh, and that's another thing they talked about. They want to group items.
So I'm okay with that too. Can't complain. It's making blueprints. Yeah. Yeah, the
you can like you can build a treadmill and then you can save the blueprint and then you can
paste that somewhere else. Yes, exactly. Which I think is really good. But one thing I don't like is
the way that the handle dies. I think the dies well first of all I think once you unlock a die
you should just keep it. There's a lot of games that do that already. Like once you have it
you just keep it. Oh it's consumable in this? Is that what you're saying? Yes, dies are
consumable and I don't like that. I don't think they'll change it either. It's just how it is.
The second thing with that like an optional, another option thing which they might do if we
give enough feedback for it is that you should be able to collect the dyes in the same way that you
collect furniture because right now it's just in your bags which is also annoying especially if
you want to have a big collection of them. I mean you could put it in your bank or reagent
maybe it's a reagent I'm not sure so you could pull from there but it's still annoying. I
I think it should just be a catalog.
So there's the, yeah, I think those are the main two things
that I dislike about it.
But other than that, honestly, I think housing
was much better than I expected.
When they first introduced it, I thought
it was going to be a solution similar to how ESO does it.
No, is it ESO?
Yes, ESO and also New World, where
it's an instance of an already existing city.
But they made a whole neighborhood, which I'm
big fan of, I think it's really nice. And they made it two different options of it, or three. One,
you can join a public neighborhood and you will find neighbors, random people. You can join a guild
neighborhood. So together with your guild. Or you have a third option, which is like a friend
group neighborhood. You and I think it's maybe five friends or something. You sign a charter or
something similar. And then you have your own neighborhood and you can invite more people
to it. And I think that's a really nice solution. I think it's really neat. And it's, I think
it works really well.
They have any public neighborhoods that you can like go to?
Yeah.
Okay. So like you can have, let's just say Layer 1 is like the most popular neighborhood
that everyone likes to visit and see the craziest, coolest houses. You know, you
got 50 awesome buildings there. I would love to see the community kind of put together
and have the neighborhood.
That'd be great if Blizzard did that. If they had like the best.
There's like a way to find the one because I think it's a random like if I log in I think I see a list of random neighborhoods
And if you log in you might see a different list
Yeah, they should have like a public list search
Yeah, like if they had a public list where it's like, you know
Again, you're gonna have layer two layer three or a layer four whatever
But layer one is like where these people put a lot of time and effort into these houses
Yeah, it's public. Go check it out. It's awesome. And you'll see some legitimately awesome in game designs. I love that. Yeah, personally, I'd be if I know for me, the parallel is
GGG the the path of exile one devs will be like a build spotlight or a
Also do a hideout spotlight or they spotlight different community members through that stuff and Blizzard like could copy paste all those houses and put them into one neighborhood and then share that neighborhood so that people can come and visit and see all the like
Quote-unquote best designs or something and they rotate that out on a monthly basis
Well, that's cool. Yeah, like the top 50 of this month because every neighborhood is 50 houses by the way
And if you have a bigger guild than that what the game does is it creates more multiple shards for you
So you have your first shard and you have a second shard, etc
If you're 50 people you will all be on the same one, but if you're more than it's yeah, it's multiple
Yeah, I see so 51 someone's really depressed
I think once you have 80 houses acclaimed, that's when you get a second shard.
So it's not like at 100% and then one person is outside.
At 80%, then people can start deciding like, hey, actually I wanted that other house,
but it was taken.
I'll go and grab it on the second shard instead, for example.
Yeah, I think the thing that will make this, because I love housing, I think it's
awesome.
that you're there's no sarcasm right like you actually generally there's no
sorry I'm serious I was fucking awesome okay and the fact that your only
complaints really are I just you can't copy or do blueprints and they are
fixing I mean clearly it's a really good system it's cool as hell I like having
you know it's another thing to go out and farm you know and and you feel
value to it even though it is cosmetic I think it's an overall good system and
I don't think it's just it's obviously gonna have some nice cash grab
have moments, but I think it's more than that.
But my one thing that would really make housing better is you got to add some type of housing
PVP.
All right.
So you need to have some.
Or do they like tagging or something?
No, well, no, like you can vote inside the houses.
Oh, I thought it was going to be like, listen, I want to burn their houses down.
And I want to burn all their houses down.
Going to the extreme, I thought he wanted to just like buy some eggs and throw
to this neighbor's house again like a voting system where you know the community can vote obviously
i guess streamers and people would just abuse it and it'd be so cringe yeah but like in some way
you have a value of you want to make your house look really good uh and then your house can somehow
be higher rated than other peoples so it is pvp at the end of the day yeah i think final fantasy
he has something like that. Again, this would go into the neighborhood, right? Oh, all the
top 50 houses are here, right? And you know, this makes people care about it.
Like a dress to impress, but wow, housing addition. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. So add some type of PVP
to it. And again, not how egging or toilet or what it's TPing houses.
But this house, I want to be higher rate, H-O-A-P-V-P, move your lawn.
But no, I think that would be awesome.
I would love that.
Or even your guild, like your guild's overall like housing neighborhood, people can go visit
it and you can rate it.
Yeah, I guess on a smaller scale you could do that, the guild thing.
What is a guest book?
Yeah.
Like final thing.
I assume so.
Yeah.
It's not here yet, but I'm assuming it's going to be maybe an item that you can decide that
you want to put in your house and then if people go to your house, maybe they can leave
a note and you can open it and maybe read them.
I'm not sure exactly how they're going to pull it off, but they did say they're planning
to have one.
I thought it's pretty cute.
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
I've done some housing stuff.
We're in like a streamer neighborhood with our with our guild.
And so I've just made a bunch of like metal fingers flicking off people's houses across
the there.
That's great.
We're doing good there.
We're doing the TTP.
Yeah.
Pretty quick.
Yeah.
But Annie's right.
If I could just copy and paste.
I hear we see a piano.
Yeah.
It'd be much easier to do.
Yeah.
That's actually so that that piano is not.
Is that a blizzard made piano or is that someone that made like it's multiple pieces.
Yeah.
It's a lot of small pieces put together.
imagine they're like, okay, we want to move to the piano to the other side of the room.
Uh-oh. Move every piece one by one.
Yeah. What piece made all the keys? The black and white keys? How'd you get that?
Um, I'm assuming it's just beams that they've recolored, because you can resize them.
But I'm not 100% sure. I haven't made one myself. But I'm assuming it's just beams
that they've released.
So each key, your little white, if you go back to the piano in the vaude, every
little piece.
It's just probably one item, yeah.
Yeah, now imagine having to drag that whole thing over.
Yeah.
Yikes, we'll get back to the, there you go.
Look, every single one of those.
Yeah, that's a little insane.
This is like top trend housing though.
Like what the fuck I haven't seen is from your YouTube channel,
any of people want to go check it out.
This was a I was at this at a UK event.
Actually, I was in London for this where I
in I invited a bunch of people from the community
who wanted to show off their houses.
And I saw some really cool stuff.
people are really creative. Yeah, that's crazy. My mind's like,
I put a bed down that Blizzard made and that's where I'm
going to sleep.
That's what absolutely insane with it.
But it'd be cool to have like, you know, the neighborhood you
go in these houses, they see you things like these pianos. You
know, you get to see these kind of cool ass things you get
to visit and just see what they do, see what they come up
with in game. But we'll see if we get that. Yeah, I
like it's kind of just keep it, keep it within the gill.
But I like community stuff.
Yeah, why not?
No, Blizzard, Blizzard should as well.
I don't see why they wouldn't do something like that.
It'd be even awesome, even more awesome if you can like click the piano
and the if the housing person already has that set up as like a group,
you just control see that, go back to your house, control,
they didn't do your house and now you got the same piano.
Oh, go back.
Yeah, you just have like curtain animation.
So you walk.
Yeah, you see that?
Yeah.
Oh, I've never seen that.
The hidden bookcase and the curtain animations.
Look at the drapes!
They moved!
What happened?
Yep.
Holy crap.
We're in the future.
This is 2026.
This is what happens in retail.
So don't when you're not playing Burning Crusade
and fighting Charizard.
I'm just fazing through stuff, clipping through things.
Yeah.
2004 game next patch adds hair physics. Whoa, no way
There's actually like one notorious dwarf hairstyle where when you're casting spells your pigtails actually like spin around
So there's actually one hair style on the dwarf that has hair physics only one
It's known. Yeah, you can't have more. Yes expensive indie company and other working on it
I want to hear about two games from y'all
I want to hear about is it return not Returnal?
What's the little nightmares devs? Oh?
reanimal
Yes, yeah, we have kind of conflicting points on that. I wasn't the biggest fan of who was I
Thought I thought I had some issues with but I thought it was good like I thought it was a good game
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you just didn't like it. Yeah. Yeah, it's very sure
It's like four to five hours long at most. Yeah, especially it's a hard pill to swallow for 40 bucks
It's 40 bucks for 45 bucks.
It's short for 40 bucks.
$20.
I think the big thing.
But if you like the previous games,
like it's still super atmosphere, horror,
there's still a lot of really weird stuff in there.
The co-op experience was fun,
but both me and JP ran into bugs, like bugs, bugs.
Yeah, the player started to find bugs.
Yeah, and then that sucks when you do any co-op.
I don't know if that's been patched.
I don't know.
Again, when you're charging 40 bucks
for a five-hour experience
and there's bugs at the top of that,
that's a tough pill.
Yeah, that's good.
So let's take the money out of it.
Let's take the bugs out of it.
How's the game?
That's it.
No bugs, money, bugs, $10.
I thought it was fun.
I played it with Dan's gaming
and we played it beginning to end together.
Think about four and a half hours.
It was a good four and a half hours.
We had a good time.
OK. Yeah.
The way we recommend I play it.
I would say play it.
Yeah, but if I would assume
you're going to play it with with they
did you guys goof around a lot?
I'd be curious to see if you because I goofed around a lot when I played it and it completely
killed the game, which is pretty much about like atmosphere and the spookiness of it.
Right?
Oh, if you're like, emerging, you mean, yeah, if you're, yeah, exactly.
If you're cracking jokes, nonstop, I don't know.
I couldn't get immersed that way.
And I think it probably hurt the experience for me.
So being in a call with someone in a horror game, usually that in itself kills it.
Yeah.
Okay.
My next question.
Mugenics.
I feel like there's more to talk about the eugenics. I've never played it. I don't really think about it
That's close thing. I haven't I have zero minutes coast played enough hours for all of us twice
One stream of it
I played one stream of it. Yeah
Here's the thing with me genics it's it's
Mugenics is a flavor. It's this one specific turn-based gameplay loop
And if you like that loop, if you have fun with it, if you like the term based part of it, there is so much depth to that game. It is insane.
Not only when it comes to like the amount of items you can get, the amount of classes you can get, the amount of progression you can do, the bosses, like all of it is just wild.
I have a bunch of classes unlocked now. I've been playing it for, like I said, over 60 hours.
When I do runs, I still see new skills on the first classes I had that randomly show up.
Yeah, it's insane. There's like three different levels.
They all have multiple different paths.
You can go down.
Everyone has a different variety of enemies in it.
It is a giant giant game, but the thing it all comes down to.
You have to like that base loop.
Like if you're not a turn based fan, like it's probably not going to be for you.
If you don't like the kind of thing where so much R&G and crazy shit can happen.
Probably not for you.
Like I've had some really great runs and for terrible reasons.
So it sounds like a lot of fun, though.
This sounds like the perfect game that I would enjoy and I have not played it yet.
She'd give it a try, man.
You probably in the whole tap reading side of it is hilarious.
It is. Oh my God, dude.
It is a there's some ridiculous stuff in this game.
Did you voice act any of the cats?
Co Did the dev asked you not?
No, you always act and you play the character in cyberpunk.
You were in Baldur's Gate.
You were I don't even know what else, but you didn't voice act.
A cat and eugenics.
We haven't had that done the show.
And they didn't ask him.
Where they asked you, that's crazy.
Did you do it?
No, no, no, no, no, we had the dev on the show.
Oh, he asked you to and you forgot?
Yeah.
Wait, what?
He asked you, but you're talking about it?
He got high marks to Father Arwell video, man.
Oh, it's all that weed, man.
I tell you.
No.
You're not wrong.
Now, I think he asked me.
I didn't, he's like, it's the dev of Binding of Isaac.
I'm like, that's cool.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I'll do that.
Sure.
Five months later, game is out.
I haven't played it yet.
I think I said I would do it.
I added them to discord and all that, but I think it's too late.
But I'm not.
That's a message.
You might be doing all sorts of stuff.
I'm sure he'll put it in.
If you've even asked me, I don't think he's the thing is like, I added him.
So I don't know if he's accepted that yet.
Oh, he's probably ghosting you as well.
This is awkward.
He messaged my mods before he came out saying, hey, yeah, no.
He asked my mod and my mod asked me and I don't remember, but I haven't done
it yet. And that's kind of awesome.
I wish I had been ghosted by Edmund McMillan.
He's kind of a rock star.
That's kind of a shame.
Yeah, pretty cool.
Damn right.
It's pretty cool.
I put it on my belt.
It's pretty cool.
Pop that in your resume, man.
Actually,
right here.
Up the head to Twitter bio.
Um, try to think what else came out the past week.
Oh, marathon.
Did anyone play marathon?
I did not.
Was it 30 minutes?
I played it for two hours and I'm good.
I don't, I don't think I'll be playing anymore marathon. I don't,
I'm very middle of the road and I was very middle of road with high guard.
And then that studio shut down a week later. So I'm a terrible,
I was, people were like, Hey, what do you think of this game?
It's like, I'm not going to give my opinion. Cause I thought high guard was
all right. And then you guys crucified it. So
I'm not going to say anything about it.
Honestly, that's what you get for being wrong.
I'll just take the longness of it to be so confident but so wrong just makes a lot of people angry, you know
I never I never played high guard, but I got strong opinions from my friend Nick and Finn and they are
They actually liked the game and they said the problem with it was it was too sweaty. Yes
I was
Like whenever they queued up the only people they were playing against were apex pros
Yeah, like just pros no matter what and they're the only ones playing and then the game slowly died
Yeah, no apparently there's a game too hard. I
Didn't play they were saying that it can be it was that there was so many mechanics in one style of game that it was
The average person opening it up that just wants to point a just a certain someone to shoot like
like, yeah, there's better versions of that better.
There's different games that do a better job at that.
It's just had like so many different mechanics going into it.
So that game's dead.
What is marathon?
Yeah, I co you said you played 30 minutes.
Tell me, tell me what you think.
Um, did you stream it?
I went in, I did.
Okay.
You know, I went in with, with tried to being very clear to people where,
Like, you know, I'm, I'm, I have a lot of negative things to start with going into marathon.
I was a big fan of the original and this is nothing like the original at all.
I'm not a big fan of the art style.
I find it way too kind of, uh, it's just not for me.
It's just not for me.
So I, I went in going, this game's got to wow me.
Like this needs to be more than just like a, a okay game to spend time in.
This needs to really wow me.
So I know that this game has a killer voice cast.
And I was hoping what my plan was was to play the game
and enjoy it enough to wanna like really explore
the corporations and the factions and stuff like that.
What unfortunately happened is I got in
and I played around and I was like,
okay, that felt all right.
And then I kind of learned about the corporations,
heard a little of the original voice acting,
sounded pretty cool.
Like I'm not a big fan of how they present the lore,
ties into the art style stuff,
but when I went in the second time,
I played through it.
It was, you know, I was having this as one of the first people you talk to that they
have some very, uh, they have some decisions for their, their art style and presentation.
Yeah.
Um, and the second time I was through it, I came to a very unfortunate realization.
And what that realization was is it was very clear to me that I would have to play
this game a lot to move through the lore.
This is not like go in and find a bunch of voice diaries laying around and get
a bunch of lore once. This was like, get a little bit of voice acting in lore, do a run,
get a little bit of voice acting, do a run. And in my second run I realized I wasn't liking
the game enough to do that. Like I just, it was too regular. Like there was not, like
I didn't like the UI, wasn't a fan of the art. There was too many things working against
it for me personally that I did not want to play it enough to want to get to the
lore. Which was really unfortunate for me to come to that conclusion because, again, I'm
an OG marathon fan. It came out on the Mac, Marathon, and Marathon Durandal, and Marathon
Infinity. I grew up with these games. When they announced this at first, I was really
excited and then kind of like I saw the art style and heard all the stuff and I was
like, what are y'all doing to my childhood memories? Like, why are you doing this?
Why are you corrupting them like this? And you know, so I was immediately put off
originally. And the short of it is, it's just not, it's not a game for me. It's
What I would say is it's a fine game.
It's a fine game. What is it? Oh, sorry.
It's a PVP VE extraction shooter.
So it is it is it is a more PVP focused.
It's kind of like Apex and Tarkov.
Like it's way more action.
It's way more like it's smaller in scale.
The kind of yeah, it's more Katie.
That's exactly right.
And some, you know, there's there's a niche for that.
There's some people that have been wanting that kind of game.
Yeah, but it's just this game, unfortunately,
made some decisions that I think are going to turn a lot of people away.
Like some people love the art style, but this very much is a love it or hate it art style.
I was watching one guy in this exact time and now look around and he's like, dude,
I feel like I'm playing up in Roblox.
Like this is a Lego place.
This is Legos.
Like I'm literally in the middle of like a Lego thing and he's looking around.
I'm sitting there like, yeah, this looks like a Roblox game like it does.
Like I couldn't, I couldn't fight.
No lies detected.
Yeah.
And you know, some people again, love this kind of like super in your face,
neon aesthetic, but a lot of us are kind of turned off by it.
And the big problem is, is that man, Bungie needs a win.
Sony paid three point five billion dollars for this company.
And then the math doesn't look like it's really adding up, unfortunately.
But yeah, I have a question. Yeah.
Oh, regarding the arts, am I mistaken to think that this was the game
that ended up in a bunch of drama because they stole the ass or like.
Oh, yeah, so that's some guy. This is what.
So they they all they revamp it after that.
Not really, but they did come to terms with the artist,
which is important to mention.
So they basically it was discovered.
They did not come out with this.
It was discovered that a lot of the company logos and a lot of the aesthetic
was all previously on this guy's Twitter.
And it also came out that like not one, but like
portions of the art team were following this guy on Twitter.
So it's very clear that they were lifting stuff from there.
So it came out that this it was a huge issue when it came out.
People were swearing off Bungie.
They were calling it like art raiders.
Um, there was a very, very, very uncomfortable live stream.
I swear if you ever want to see what a person looks like with their soul just destroyed.
That's this.
That's it.
It was horrible.
I feel sorry for this guys.
Yeah.
Um, thankfully going, going dark and pushing the release back at everything was one
of the best decisions they could have made because you don't hear a huge amount
of people talking about that.
And the streamers, like, I don't know if they just told none of the
streamers to talk about it. None of the streamers they sponsored were talking about it. So it's
it's that issue. Somehow probably I turned down the sponsorship. I have no idea. But
it's it's it was it was not a good situation. They did try to resolve it, but it is one
of those like the only reason they had to resolve it was because they got caught. You
know, it's definitely that kind of situation. And the other kind of uncomfortable thing
is like they were stealing like the logos, which are like that's like the company
logos in the game, like they were really they were really like that's like in some
ways like the lore soul of the game and that was being lifted off other people so
that was that was you know that's uncomfortable that's uncomfortable yeah
that's not good so I saw some drama with the like streamers being sponsored to
play marathon was there drama with getting sponsored to play this game so
there was a little bit of drama when the Bert peanut got sponsored he was one
of a very small handful of streamers that got a very early look at it and
there was a little bit of drama there, but not much. And there was a huge push of sponsorship
recently for the server slam over the last weekend when you've been every single person
their mother was streaming marathon. Yeah. And the only, I mean, the only kind of quote
unquote drama are the people that are watching this, the steam number lists. There's a lot
of talk about, you know, what the numbers mean given the situation and, you know,
and everything and what Sony is going to be okay with. And what's a success versus
the Sony success.
Yeah, I mean, we're talking about the server slam, which is on this weekend,
right, to try for free.
You don't have to pay money to play this.
You can just go download it.
This game launches in this week.
Like it comes out at the end of the week, I think Thursday or Friday.
So March 3rd, right?
Yeah.
If there, uh, I think someone's in the chat said they're sitting around
60,000 right now.
So people maybe put too much, uh, on the steam numbers on that.
But yeah, some of my chats at 150 K peeps for free is decent.
That's 150 K is not a bad number.
That was great.
Server site next day.
They lost 50%.
It was down to 70 K still great.
Like those are not bad numbers.
The thing you have to consider though is now out of those people, the people
that played and enjoyed it.
Now they got to spend four bucks for it.
And then they got to play it for weeks.
And then you have to remember that Sony paid $3.5 billion for this company.
And they have to be happy with how much it's making.
And like, we really math and that out.
Yeah, it does on the way.
It doesn't.
Micro transactions are in high gear.
I guarantee it.
I code.
Did you see an MTX store at all when, when you played?
I didn't even look for it or I didn't stay in the game.
I think they're doing by, like there's, they, they just, I think it's 40 bucks, 40 bucks.
They might go back on their word based on that math.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I mean 40 is a great price for this game. Don't get me wrong. It's we're not we're not saying 40 is too expensive
We're saying it's not a free-to-play game. Yes, so when you charge for a product
That's an immediate barrier a barrier that you're setting up and in some cases a pretty big one
So we're not saying that marathon isn't worth 40 bucks like that's completely subjective
We're just talking about the raw transmission from the 150k free server slam to like how many players is that gonna be in a week?
Yeah
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be very interesting.
I'll be also the first experience for most people as well.
So maybe some people decide they don't want to continue anyways,
whether it's free or not. So yeah, I think it costing is going to be significant.
Yeah. The price is great. If they're going to charge a price, the price is solid.
I mean, 40 is a, that's, that's a comfortable price these days.
Like I think honestly, if they were doing 60 or above, it would be like nearly DOA.
But 40 is a very...
Well, the other question.
Good price.
In, in the extraction shooter world, like I, if I was an extraction shooter main,
I'm not going to put 40 bucks into this because I'm just going to be playing
Arc Raiders, right? You have well, different like Raiders just in the
show right now. Arc Raiders is having its own issues.
Arc Raiders is having its own issues. It's not in a perfect place.
But I mean, it's also very different.
Like some there are the people that enjoy marathon are getting
different things out of marathon than Arc Raiders.
So it is it is it is totally normal at this point for people
to like marathon and not dig arc. I saw it and this might have
just been like a hate of this. Oh, the extract. This is what I found out with a
guarded extract is. Oh, I was like, oh, look, it's a plane coming to pick me up. Oh, no.
Oh,
I'm lost.
I'm here to pick me up. Did you see how fast I died?
Very fast. Yeah, like that was no joke. It's a quick TTK. Yeah. So I don't know if
it's headlines or if there's, I could see where there's an actual real, uh,
he was sucking my soul out.
There's people actually upset about it.
But with our graders, a lot of the community that still plays in a lot of
the numbers that are still there, there are people that enter into the
games that have no want to go and kill other players.
They just want to get in there and like, say, Hey, it's a social hub, right?
They want to go do a quest.
They want to hang out with someone else.
They want to partner up with a random person to go kill some arc to get a thing to finish the quest back at home.
There's not really anything like this in Marathon.
It's like you zone in and you go kill, kill, kill.
That's the goal.
There are videos going around of people being friendly in Marathon though.
There are extract.
Okay.
I didn't see that when people, but I've only seen them like when they're extracting,
like someone will be running up on an extract to be like, are you friendly?
And they'll be like, yeah.
And then I've not really seen any videos of people like questing together or exploring together,
but extract friendly seem to be a thing.
Yeah, which is nice. Yeah, I wonder if I was take hold in that game
I I a lot of people have asked me like why I stopped playing arc so much and funny enough after thinking about it more I
Think it's because they're they're friend. Their queue is too good. I think I like finding friends
I think arc Raiders
Showed us that their idea was good
But first players like me it wasn't quite refined enough
because their system was so good that I ended up going like
I think my last Dark Raider stream, I went five rounds
without being shot at.
Wow.
And the thing that sucks about that is
the most fun in the game was when you'd find
the friendly people in the shit.
Yeah.
The whole fun part was like checking
if someone was friendly and only like half the time
they'd say yes.
Like that was what's awesome.
But their queue system is so good
that it pushes it too far to the extreme
like i don't i don't want to play a pv e game
i never wanted to play a game
i was one of the people are doing we don't need to be able
i don't i don't necessarily want to kill people
i want to be an environment that happened though
he wanted to be able to be able to be able to be able to be real yeah it's
like it's like that system that system should never allow more than like
seventy percent of the players to be friendly like they should always be
queuing at least with some people who want to kill people
I don't think the system is doing that.
I think the system is just like, oh, you want to play PvE?
Well, we'll just let you play PvE.
Do you think?
So don't want to shoot at PvE people.
Do you think they're fucking by announcing that that system exists
because of you realizing that you're getting those games
not necessarily exist?
I still would have had these rounds, though.
So like, I noticed it.
I noticed there was a problem because I realized like,
literally no one is shooting at me anymore.
No one.
I don't even need to call out that I'm friendly
because no one shooting.
So like there is a too much there.
There is absolutely like a system like this in Ark, this, this PDE.
I feel like it has to be very nuanced and balanced.
And it's just, it's like an axe instead of a scalpel.
So I've, I don't, again, I don't want to start shooting at PVE.
I, you know, like defenseless people.
I don't want to see the content though, where you're like,
asshole, co, and you just go into those games and start shooting everyone.
That's the thing.
Like that's what I would have to do to get my spirit.
Like I don't want to do that.
I don't want to have to like every few days, like just go murder a bunch of plebs
that are not trying to shoot me back.
I don't find enjoyment in that.
What I would love is that they put in something that let me turn off my queue
system, like, but that'd be highly exploitable as a problem.
So this is, this is what I thought, like, you know, then you could just
farm in PVE and then go fight in PVP.
So I feel like there's a, there's a more nuanced approach that, that
if a future game uses a similar kind of system, if you want your
game to be PVP, you have to make room for PVPers. You have to. And I feel like this
arc system isn't really doing that. Yeah, I love that. I love seeing about the incentives,
like more PVP incentives. Even even that could be good. Like they had some some a little
incentives like, you know, deal x damage to an arc player or kill an arc player, things
like that to get like little daily rewards and stuff. But yeah, they never they've
ever I think they're a little worried to lean into it, to be honest. I don't
like I think they're trying to find their voice and how they really want this
to work. I know that some PvE players love the queue how it is, but I mean, players like
me just get a little bored when like,
I love how disconnected the community is because of that queue system. I had a guilty pleasure
in listening to the drama of a lot of like your top PvP streamers and our creators complaining
about the cheating. And then you listen online on these forums and then people are
like, what are you talking about, dude? They're not just stream sniping, not just
I don't get any of this stuff and they're just outing themselves just not understanding that like the top PvP streamers do lots of PvP
So they go into a queue with other PvPers and guess what the hackers and the cheaters are also PvP
So all the cheaters are getting shoved into the streamer PvP queue and then you go on Twitter like what are you talking about?
You stupid streamer. It's not like that. God you're clueless and I'm like dude
Dude, everyone is just confused here and I love it.
No, everyone's in it.
There wasn't any streams of Burt Peanut and Summit and those guys when the hacking was
bad, they would just go hours and hours of people griefing them, just finding them griefing
them, finding them griefing them.
Like in a very-
Stupid streamers I've known to the top of my head.
That was crazy, man.
Wasn't there a-
Yeah, it was crazy.
I thought I saw like a tweet that, it was from a dev that quote tweeted or a former
of former employee at PUBG that quote tweeted Shroud talking about how they would like they
would spend hours while at work watching Shroud play and joining his lobbies and then banning
stream snipers and cheaters in those lobbies or something like that I forget who that was
but I saw that this past week. It was really interesting to see that.
interesting. Yeah, no, cheating has actually gotten really bad in the shooting
world. I don't play these ball and gun games, but especially in the gun games
the cheating has gotten atrocious. Like it is horrible. It is a genuine problem.
I mean, there was one game that released and it's like, I cannot
believe people are cheating in this. I don't even think it was ranked. What
was it? It was something. It's baffling that there's just so many
cheaters. There's a lot of cheating as well. I don't know if you've seen the clip. You know that arena that has
PvP arena, the one where you start in a little room with the two doors and
the wall in between, which is see-through, kind of a bit chainy. I forgot what the arena is called.
There was a clip of, I think it was Supertease, who he basically hid behind the little wall thing,
where you can see through the player, and there was a demon hunter that was on him, and the
demon hunter was, instead of walking around through the door, was trying to hit him through
the wall. So when he was standing still on that side of the wall, the other person was
on the other side of it and just auto-hitting the wall trying to reach him, because he
was just moving straight towards him and couldn't understand the bot, yeah, in a PvP
arena. It's, yeah, no cheating is, it's in all the games.
Yeah, the thing is, it's actually, I don't think it happens that much.
Or it does happen in retail.
It doesn't happen that much in comparison to shooters.
It is. I think she just had more people in general.
Well, that too.
But also like the cheating is more you benefit more off cheating in a shooter
than you would in say World of Warcraft.
The type like you have kick bots in Wow.
But yeah, I mean the impact of that compared to
to headshot headshot right very different in shooters yeah yeah I think people were cheating
in the battlefield beta test like it's it's all over and it's a race not punished well
it's it's it's a race to get the game cracked so that they can get the cheats working so
they can sell them like there's an economic reason why yeah these these websites whatever
whoever's making the different, uh, aim bots exist because there's a financial backing to
it. Right? Like that's how they make our living is they sell these things.
What is, what is the longterm fix to this? Cause it's only going to get worse.
Oh, I mean, it's always a cat and mouse. Right? Like, yeah. One, one group change.
The devs change. The cheaters will change. The devs, it's always going to be back
and forth. Uh, I don't, I think a lot of people will be like, Oh, well, you know,
The kernel anti cheat is the answer.
That doesn't, there's ways to still cheat with that.
It's not a big, it's not a cure all.
So, and that has its own issues, right?
Like people see kernel anti cheat.
They won't even download the game to begin with because they
don't want that, that level of, uh, permissions for the dev to run
whatever they want on their system.
So yeah, I, it's, it's only getting it worse.
I'm telling you though, I blow the internet up.
You heard of it.
I think that's, I think that's fair.
That's a that's a that's an appropriate reaction.
Here are the final show.
I got to get y'all's reaction to this.
I had my reaction on Twitter and I got a ton of shit for it.
So now I'm going to get y'all's first reactions.
Here we go.
What do you all think of the God of War Amazon TV show?
I don't know about the kid, man.
The kid plays.
I thought he'd be a lot.
Is this an A.I. picture?
Nope.
This is from Amazon.
That they showed the first.
The first that's not AI.
I thought you're trolling.
No, he's not.
I mean, I don't think Kratos looks too bad.
I mean, he's a little thin, maybe.
But I mean, like I I'd more.
I don't I've never seen the kid act.
I don't know who that is.
Like maybe he's a really good actor or something.
But yeah, I don't know.
It seems I thought I again, I thought it was a lot older in the game.
It looks young.
I got to hear this actor's voice.
It looks off.
And I got to see the the Kratos is mannerisms and that kid is a little bit young.
But maybe this is before the God of War.
Takes place like he's really that young, even younger.
Well, this is still alive.
It's like the opening scene number where in the first one where it opens up
and there's the he's telling him how to like shoot the deer.
That's yeah, but I think yeah, but that's me.
The game keeps moving and the kid gets older and then you play with
the older version of him, doesn't he?
Oh, yeah, you might be right.
Yeah, yeah.
So maybe so maybe absolutely right.
Maybe the story is from the flashbacks.
Maybe maybe this is going to be like a completely different take on his mom.
Yeah, his mom might be alive.
Oh, right.
Because I think the whole first game is taking her ashes to the mountain.
Right. Yeah, that is saying that is wrong.
All of this is OK. Oh, OK, we're all OK.
Well, my my theory is wrong.
This is from the first game and that kid is way too young.
He might just look way too young.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, there's the scene where they're like flying down
from the Titan and the arrow.
Yeah.
You know, the kid they're flying.
I'm not seeing this kid do that.
Oh, I don't see this kid doing anything epic.
Yeah.
I mean, Jesus.
Yeah.
He's small and cute.
Someone someone kind of nailed it in the in the chat.
I've seen comments on Twitter, too, saying that this feels like a CW budget show.
And I was like, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know.
It's one image from a show.
Who knows what the actual show is going to look like.
But I saw the first time it looks like a beloved game got a live action
and it was a disappointment.
That is true.
You see it?
Yeah, yeah, it's it's so this is real.
When does this happen?
When does it come out?
I don't think it's the only picture which is available.
This is all they've put out.
Yeah, this is the only thing they did this by choice.
This was they said.
She sent it.
Yep. Yep.
So somebody made this.
This is a real thing.
This is not a week.
No, no, this is this is all real.
Ryan Hurst is playing Kratos. The kid is Callum Vinson. Well, I don't know anything about.
I'm trying to see if there's any like, I guess Mandy Patinkin is playing Odin.
He's a fairly well known actor. Who is Ryan Hurst Dunn, voice acting wise?
Ryan Hurst was in, oh God, he's been in a bunch of stuff.
He's most notable for sons of anarchy. He's also in remember the Titans. He was the
God of War Ragnarok Thor that's Ryan Hurst. Yeah, that's Ryan Horst. Yes. That's right. That's right. Interesting
Yeah, okay. So he's in his universe. He has I forgot about that. That's a great thing to mention
So I just thought this image. I thought this looked fucking dog. She
I'm sorry, it looks so rough.
It does.
Yeah.
I hope the show is good, but holy fuck, that's rough.
I got to see the manurisms that Kratos is going to have.
He's got his very dad alpha man manures.
He doesn't say much.
He grumbles a lot, right?
And then you got to hear his voice,
because it's hard to compete with judge.
It's his first.
He has to change up boy perfectly.
He does.
I hope he just has to follow judge around for like a month.
Listening to boy, boy, boy, boy, boy.
Yeah, you got a nail in man.
He has to.
It's kind of messed up, but it really is so important.
It also like you can tell that that's a bald cat.
Like it doesn't look like a well done bald.
Shit
You could like see why wouldn't he just go bald like why not?
I don't I mean maybe he is bald in this but it looks like a bald cap
I can't unsee it he's got some scalp wrinkles, you know you see little wrinkles there or whatever
Fine my crazy. Yeah, I don't know maybe like I'm just I judging way too much here
But I gotta admit that would that would be tough for a bald cap with those riches. Oh
Oh, like here on the on the top, are you talking about on the front?
I mean, I feel I'm talking about on the top.
Let's maybe that's built into it.
I don't know. You know what?
I don't know how ball cap technology has a ball cap technology.
Yeah, I had no idea.
I keep my mouth shut.
Probably know his ball cap is green and they just CGI it.
You know, oh, it's like the nose and fallout.
I like it. It's yeah. Exactly.
Who knows? We'll see what happens when they put out more.
But I don't know how they say that that kid is too young.
What are you talking about?
I don't know what you do with this.
That's about this guy, the legendary Atreus.
You know, he just, you don't see this kid just like talking shit.
I'll be honest. Other gods.
Whatever product that kid has it has in his hair.
I think I've used it before.
Doing work.
It's got these I think it's the clay I when I had shorter hair
I use the clay and you can style it like I see it there then again
You know, I think a trace has really nice
Hair in the game as well like that's cannon. Well, wasn't a trace in the first one didn't you have like kind of a buzzed head?
It's been a while. Oh my god, I think a little bit. I think you're right. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right
Yeah, the kids rough where it's at some point
I want to give them the benefit of the doubt because I'm being so hyper critical of this,
but I guess I have such a high fandom for God of War, specifically the 2018 version.
Yeah.
That I like.
I agree.
It's so good.
I mean, the game's a cinematic like masterpiece with like the never ending cutscene is so
good so you'd hope that if they make a literally a cinema movie or show that it's good.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, let's call it a show.
We've been here three hours.
What?
What the hell was that?
I don't know what fell.
The dog jump.
Anyways, let's do some shout outs.
Kyle, why don't you go ahead and go first this time?
Sure.
So, Soda and Annie can follow suit.
Absolutely.
As always, thank you to JP and a big thank you to Soda and Annie.
Very fun show this day.
Everything wow and a lot more.
Anyway, my name is Ko.
You can find me over at my channel during the week.
We're going to be playing Resident Evil and maybe some eugenics
and other fun stuff as we work our way towards next week.
I am not here next week because I will be a GDC, but I hope you guys have a great time and yeah, thanks for watching
And thank you soda and it was awesome
fantastic soda
People what you got? I'm chance. I have recently lost my v-card variety card
I've been playing too much World of Warcraft, but thank you so much for having me on the show again
Love being here love talking love talking shit and hopefully I can get my v-card back. We'll see though
Okay, good luck with that any tell the people what you got going on
Hello, I'm Annie and I also do play a lot of World of Warcraft and I sometimes get sucked in but
Variety is on my menu as well. So Resident Evil, Requiem, is that how you pronounce it? I hope I said it right.
Requiem, close, close, yeah.
Requiem, okay. I think when I first heard about it, I called it Requiem and my chat made fun of me.
I'm from Sweden, by the way. That's where sometimes I say things a bit funny.
But yeah, I stream almost daily and you can expect MMOs and Variety.
Coming up.
Fantastic.
That's going to do it for the show next week.
Cohen, Zeke are out.
I got to find two other hosts because I have the voice actors for Leon and Grace
coming on the show.
So cool.
And I don't know who I don't know.
I got to figure out.
I will see.
I don't have any other guests yet.
So that's really me.
I'm there.
Give me a man.
I'll play Resident Evil.
Yeah.
You guys play the game this week.
I'll let you know.
already out of a go from there between that.
Oh, and also PLE next week has a new league.
So I'll be jumping that PLE one.
All these games are kind of.
You're two.
Yes, ladies, fire comes out this next week.
That's a good. OK.
Is that on the fourth and five day?
I think it's the fifth.
OK, it's on the fifth on the fifth.
Yeah, there's there's some stuff out this the beginning of March.
So we'll have our quote normal show back.
Tell your back the week after GDC, right?
You're good on the.
I think 15th.
OK, we'll let you know.
Yeah, I should be. I should be. Yes.
Yes. Yes.
Just take us out on Twitter, Annie Soto.
Thank you both for joining us.
Of course, GGS was pleasure.
Yeah, all right.
So you're in the war, Warcraft.
We'll see you guys on the air.
You just press four.
So it's it's how you play.
Fuck.
You left the call.
We're out of air today. Thank you so much.
Have a good one. See you next time. Bye-bye.
Alright, we're going to shut down the streams on everyone's channel.
I'm taking the rest of the day. I'll be back tomorrow.
I'll be finishing up Resident Evil with Faye.
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