WEBVTT 05:30.000 --> 05:37.000 Wow, that's another let's speak. 08:30.000 --> 08:55.000 I'm going to use the same thing as the other one. 08:55.000 --> 08:56.000 Blue's come high. 09:26.000 --> 09:55.920 I am so exited to jump in, I never got to 60 on CLA because my 09:55.920 --> 10:02.920 Now I can fully play in no life. 11:25.920 --> 11:50.920 See ya, bus home. 12:25.920 --> 12:42.920 Good morning, chats! 12:42.920 --> 12:49.440 Good morning, chats! 12:49.440 --> 12:52.240 Good morning, chats! 12:52.240 --> 12:54.040 Good morning, guys! 12:54.040 --> 12:55.600 We are back! 12:55.600 --> 13:01.560 We are back, we are back, oh my gosh, we're back. 13:01.560 --> 13:08.160 What is going on, holy crap, what a weekend, what a weekend. 13:08.160 --> 13:16.680 Okay, we have a lot to talk about, oh my gosh, we have a lot to talk about, yep, yep, yep, 13:16.680 --> 13:22.720 thanks for the prom brother, oh my gosh, we have a lot to talk about, white, white, white 13:22.720 --> 13:28.000 Glint rather thanks for the five gifted I can't believe you lied to us I don't 13:28.000 --> 13:36.180 know like guys what do you mean lied I what do you mean by lied I don't know 13:36.180 --> 13:44.680 what you mean by lied now that I can say stuff guys yes we couldn't say 13:44.680 --> 13:53.280 anything but now we can yes we knew it was happening there's a lot we didn't 13:53.280 --> 14:01.720 know like for example I didn't know it was called wow forever so that was like 14:01.720 --> 14:06.920 insane I actually actually don't really know if I like the name but we can cover 14:06.920 --> 14:12.760 that later it's names are hard it's just a name yeah I don't know it's called 14:12.760 --> 14:22.280 about forever. Um, I will get up, we'll get into all that in a second. Dude, I need to 14:22.280 --> 14:28.200 go easy on my voice. I lost my voice yesterday. I actually didn't stream yesterday. Dude, there's 14:28.200 --> 14:33.880 so much to talk about. Gotta take some deep breaths here. I need to go easy on my voice 14:33.880 --> 14:40.320 today. Guys, I lost my voice yesterday. Dude, the airport yesterday, my flight was delayed 14:40.320 --> 14:41.520 And then it was delayed. 14:42.720 --> 14:45.220 It was delayed and then it was delayed again. 14:45.720 --> 14:50.920 And then I got on my airplane and we took off and everything was fine. 14:51.120 --> 14:53.820 And then there was weather so we couldn't land. 14:53.920 --> 14:58.520 So we just started doing circles in the air for 30 minutes to wait for the weather. 14:58.720 --> 15:01.420 And then we started running out of fuel. 15:01.820 --> 15:08.020 So we had to turn back around and land at another airport because we ran out of fuel. 15:08.020 --> 15:18.020 And then we we landed at the airport to get more fuel and then they needed to see if we could fly back or if we're just going to stay at that airport. 15:18.020 --> 15:25.020 Then they decided we can fly back, which was great. And we have an entire airplane of people. 15:25.020 --> 15:33.020 And then when we're all there ready to take off, there was a technical issue with the plane. So we had to get a mechanic on it. 15:33.020 --> 15:37.020 So then we had another delay, while we're all on the plane, 15:37.020 --> 15:41.020 except there's no water to give everyone because they ran out of water. 15:41.020 --> 15:44.020 So there's no water, no snacks. 15:44.020 --> 15:48.020 We're in the runway and there's a mechanic on the plane. 15:48.020 --> 15:54.020 And then the mechanic needed to have another mechanic come help him and check it out and this and that. 15:54.020 --> 15:57.020 And then finally the airplane gets approved. 15:57.020 --> 16:02.460 So then we fly back and then we land through the weather, which was a crazy landing 16:02.860 --> 16:04.860 And then we get in last night and 16:05.340 --> 16:10.100 Like all of this I'm trying to message Shannon because Shannon's waiting at the airport with Kai and 16:10.700 --> 16:15.740 Then like finally we get home and like it's like it's like or I finally get to the airport 16:15.740 --> 16:20.040 It's like 7 p.m. I've been flying like it's supposed to be a one-hour flight. It turns into a five-hour flight 16:20.040 --> 16:27.360 Holy crap. Anyway, we got home last night and I was so happy to get home and sleep in my own bed. 16:27.360 --> 16:34.200 Holy crap, my chair is so comfortable. Dude, my stream set, dude, it's good to be home. Oh my gosh, 16:34.200 --> 16:41.760 yeah, it feels really nice. Okay, we have some stuff to talk about. Holy crap. Jeff Bezos of 16:41.760 --> 16:45.840 the $5 tip. Thank you. Pluto with the Prime. Star with the Prime. Oz with the Tier 1. Kenny 16:45.840 --> 16:48.600 with the T1, drafts with a prime. 16:48.600 --> 16:49.100 OK. 16:51.840 --> 16:55.000 OK, a couple things to talk about first. 16:55.000 --> 16:56.880 I don't even know what to talk about first. 16:56.880 --> 16:58.600 What do I talk about first? 16:58.600 --> 16:59.320 You knew everything. 16:59.320 --> 17:00.680 OK, let's talk about that first. 17:00.680 --> 17:02.600 One, I did not know everything. 17:02.600 --> 17:04.680 I probably know less than you guys. 17:04.680 --> 17:07.680 I knew less than you guys probably think. 17:07.680 --> 17:10.120 We cannot get into the specifics of the trip, 17:10.120 --> 17:14.640 but I can say Blizzard, yes, did invite us out there 17:14.640 --> 17:18.080 to check out the game. 17:18.080 --> 17:21.760 We did, we could give them feedback and stuff like that. 17:21.760 --> 17:29.040 Obviously, there's some stuff that they could say yes to, 17:29.040 --> 17:31.040 or some stuff they could just say absolutely no to. 17:31.040 --> 17:33.600 So let's just leave it there. 17:33.600 --> 17:35.240 But yeah, we had a chance to play the game 17:35.240 --> 17:36.560 and give them feedback. 17:36.560 --> 17:39.680 The game that we played was different, of course. 17:39.680 --> 17:41.600 Like, obviously, they worked on it. 17:41.600 --> 17:43.160 In terms of specifics, I can't really 17:43.160 --> 17:44.160 say much more than that. 17:44.160 --> 17:49.040 think. But yes, that is true. What is also true is we didn't know it was called Wow Forever. 17:49.040 --> 17:53.840 I we have never seen the cinematic. So that cinematic when it was playing was the first time 17:53.840 --> 18:02.400 we saw it. And in terms of a lot of the specifics, like every a lot of stuff change. So a lot of 18:02.400 --> 18:15.680 for really cool stuff. So, trying to think what else. Trying to think what else. Trying 18:15.680 --> 18:22.280 to think what else. Okay. Gosh. All right. So we're going to go into what I like, what 18:22.280 --> 18:29.720 I don't like what I don't know if I like all these different things um holy crap 18:32.360 --> 18:41.880 holy crap holy crap that crazy dual pc setup dual pc streaming sucks it's awful one pc setup 18:41.880 --> 18:50.120 way better way better um what do you know about pvp okay I actually can say some stuff about pvp 18:50.120 --> 18:52.560 I made sure I could. 18:52.560 --> 18:54.600 There is no arenas. 18:54.600 --> 18:55.720 We know that. 18:55.720 --> 18:58.600 So no arenas in WoW forever. 18:58.600 --> 19:00.000 They want to keep a classic feeling. 19:00.000 --> 19:02.240 They don't want it to feel modern. 19:02.240 --> 19:04.080 Wow, a lot of you guys are saying W. 19:04.080 --> 19:05.760 Like, I actually like that. 19:05.760 --> 19:07.360 But I'm surprised you guys are spamming W, 19:07.360 --> 19:09.320 because like, I like that. 19:09.320 --> 19:13.480 But it's a very controversial opinion 19:13.480 --> 19:16.760 that I have that arenas shouldn't be in WoW forever. 19:16.760 --> 19:17.800 But yes, no arenas. 19:17.800 --> 19:20.080 That is confirmed. 19:20.080 --> 19:33.080 having said that stuff could always change maybe they added down the road who knows in terms of there was a slide that basically says like seasonal 19:33.080 --> 19:42.080 PVP we're going to learn more about that but essentially they're making 19:42.080 --> 19:49.800 I'm trying to think how to say this, I believe what's happening is the restructuring the 19:49.800 --> 19:58.040 ranking system to be this like almost like seasonal ranking experience so that you can 19:58.040 --> 20:03.600 feel like okay let's go hard and push and get here and then do it again and again and 20:03.600 --> 20:08.540 again and again versus doing it once and never doing it again kind of a thing so we'll learn 20:08.540 --> 20:10.800 more about that. 20:10.800 --> 20:11.800 What else can I say? 20:11.800 --> 20:12.800 World buffs. 20:12.800 --> 20:15.560 I got the permission to say, yes guys, there is no world buffs. 20:15.560 --> 20:16.720 And wow, forever. 20:16.720 --> 20:23.680 I need to keep it, keep it, keep it quiet on my voice because I lost my voice yesterday. 20:23.680 --> 20:25.520 Yes, everyone should be very happy with that one. 20:25.520 --> 20:26.520 That's not very controversial. 20:26.520 --> 20:33.360 I don't think or not nearly as controversial as the arena stuff. 20:33.360 --> 20:34.360 No world buffs. 20:34.360 --> 20:35.680 So okay, so there are world buffs. 20:35.680 --> 20:38.200 They just don't work in raids. 20:38.200 --> 20:39.920 There are world buffs, but they don't work in raids. 20:39.920 --> 20:45.760 So effectively no world buffs, which I am so, so, so happy about. 20:45.760 --> 20:47.160 So happy about. 20:47.160 --> 20:48.160 So happy about. 20:48.160 --> 20:49.160 Did I meet Shiba? 20:49.160 --> 20:55.200 Yes, it was awesome, man. 20:55.200 --> 20:59.000 Sweet sweet sweet. 20:59.000 --> 21:00.880 Sweet sweet sweet. 21:00.880 --> 21:01.880 What else? 21:01.880 --> 21:03.840 Did he mention the UI yet? 21:03.840 --> 21:08.360 No, but I think you guys know how I feel about the UI. 21:08.360 --> 21:15.120 It is no secret that I do not like the retail UI. 21:15.120 --> 21:19.160 If nothing changes, I am going to use an add-on. 21:19.160 --> 21:23.400 The UI is not my favorite. 21:23.400 --> 21:24.720 I don't like it. 21:24.720 --> 21:26.240 I'll use a UI add-on. 21:26.240 --> 21:32.840 I would really like Blizzard to put in the classic UI. 21:32.840 --> 21:37.920 I have told you guys that for as long as I can remember, 21:37.920 --> 21:39.780 I've also told Blizzard that. 21:39.780 --> 21:43.640 So I would like the classic UI in the game on a toggle. 21:43.640 --> 21:45.640 If it doesn't happen, I'm using an add-on. 21:49.400 --> 21:50.500 Add-on restrictions. 21:50.500 --> 21:54.400 No, UI add-ons are fine. 21:54.400 --> 21:55.280 Week auras are fine. 21:55.280 --> 21:59.960 They're not being touched, as far as I know. 21:59.960 --> 22:00.560 What about arena? 22:00.560 --> 22:01.560 There's no arena. 22:01.560 --> 22:20.560 What else? What else? What else? Oh my gosh. Any info on what happens to TBC servers? 22:20.560 --> 22:26.360 No, but we should be getting that info soon. I don't know. I don't know either. I actually 22:26.360 --> 22:34.360 asked, uh, actually, I actually asked John Blizzard himself. Um, I was like, so what's 22:34.360 --> 22:38.800 happening to TBC and mop because we never heard anything. And I know a lot of people 22:38.800 --> 22:45.000 are wondering. So what's going on? And they said, you guys will find out soon. So they're 22:45.000 --> 22:54.100 going to let us know soon. So we'll see. That's, that's all I know. Ah, dual spec. Yes, dual 22:54.100 --> 22:56.100 Specs in the game. 22:56.100 --> 23:01.340 Mage spec, um, Mage spec, I think Arcane's fun and Frost is fun, Fire needs to rework, 23:01.340 --> 23:04.660 straight up, needs some work. 23:04.660 --> 23:07.060 Mage is there in a path spot of Frost's Fire Pulse in the game, I actually like Frost's 23:07.060 --> 23:11.020 Fire Bolt, but it sucks, it needs buffs or something. 23:11.020 --> 23:13.020 Arcane's too strong though, Arcane needs nerfs. 23:13.020 --> 23:15.860 Okay, I want to talk about the pricing. 23:15.860 --> 23:19.220 I actually have a bone to pick with some of you guys. 23:19.220 --> 23:21.900 Alright, let's use some logic here. 23:21.900 --> 23:26.340 on this game, we talked about the monetization model. By the way, I didn't know about the 23:26.340 --> 23:32.060 pricing until this, I didn't know what it was going to be. Okay, so people using their 23:32.060 --> 23:36.180 brains are saying W pricing. Okay, there's a lot of people that are upset about the 23:36.180 --> 23:41.580 pricing. And it's really because you haven't thought about it, I think the game itself 23:41.580 --> 23:47.220 has no box price. It's just a sub. None of us thought that would happen. The way they're 23:47.220 --> 23:55.980 funding it is with the $30 addition to then get the sky born race. Now I will say this, 23:55.980 --> 24:01.700 it's way cheaper than any of us thought. We all thought $59.99 bucks price, right? It's 24:01.700 --> 24:07.340 free with a sub, which is way cheaper than any of us predicted, including myself. I thought 24:07.340 --> 24:16.300 for sure they'd go more. And please don't defend it. It's way, way, way cheaper than 24:16.300 --> 24:23.740 any of us thought. So it's not defending it. It's it's objectively cheaper than any of us thought. 24:23.740 --> 24:30.300 The optics are bad. If the box price was $29.99, would the optics be better? 24:32.220 --> 24:36.860 I almost feel like they would. I feel like less people would be mad if it was just a $30 box price 24:36.860 --> 24:43.100 even though it's a worse deal. So it's just bad optics. I swear it's just bad optics. I 24:43.100 --> 24:45.000 I swear it's actually the best deal ever. 24:45.000 --> 24:47.380 You can literally play for 15 bucks, 24:48.380 --> 24:51.040 but people are complaining because they don't get it. 24:51.040 --> 24:53.040 It's just people are stupid, kinda. 24:53.040 --> 24:54.960 Yeah, I mean, it's not even that people are stupid, 24:54.960 --> 24:56.400 it's just that people haven't thought about it 24:56.400 --> 24:57.580 and it's bad optics. 24:58.960 --> 25:00.800 Cause I'm gonna be honest, 25:00.800 --> 25:03.360 when I first heard the race was 30 bucks, 25:03.360 --> 25:05.720 my knee jerk reaction was, what? 25:05.720 --> 25:06.720 That sucks. 25:06.720 --> 25:08.740 And then I was like, well, how much is the box price? 25:08.740 --> 25:10.240 And people were like, oh, it's free with a sub. 25:10.240 --> 25:13.440 And I'm like, oh, oh, that changes everything. 25:13.440 --> 25:18.240 So anyway, the pricing is way better than any of us thought. 25:18.240 --> 25:19.480 Way better than any of us thought. 25:19.480 --> 25:21.800 I thought for sure 60 bucks box price. 25:23.720 --> 25:25.040 Okay, so there's that. 25:26.520 --> 25:29.040 Oh, I can also say this. 25:29.040 --> 25:31.700 Let me get my wording right here, one second. 25:32.880 --> 25:34.200 Let me get my wording right. 25:35.240 --> 25:36.880 Let me get my wording right. 25:40.240 --> 25:42.240 Let me get my wording right 25:43.240 --> 25:45.240 Let me get my wording right 25:48.520 --> 25:52.740 Blizzard has confirmed there is no plans 25:54.480 --> 26:01.460 For a wow token or level boosts in wow forever 26:01.460 --> 26:09.020 there we go there we go I thought like you got I was like for sure thinking 26:09.020 --> 26:13.620 they're doing a wow token there's gonna be level boost this and that I'm so 26:13.620 --> 26:19.580 happy with that that is awesome do they do it down the road hopefully not but 26:19.580 --> 26:23.780 like like for now no token level boost and wow like that's the plan that's the 26:23.780 --> 26:32.220 plan. So that's cool. That's cool. I like that. Um, okay, we covered world buffs, we 26:32.220 --> 26:39.460 covered a wow token, we covered level boosts, we covered the pricing. Okay, let's talk 26:39.460 --> 26:47.260 Skyborne. Um, I want this to be more of an open discussion. Skyborne is interesting. 26:47.260 --> 26:52.260 Skyborne is one of those things that a lot of people dislike. 26:52.620 --> 26:56.060 And I wanna understand more as to why, 26:56.060 --> 26:58.620 because I actually don't care that much. 26:58.620 --> 27:01.220 Okay, let me first preface this by saying, 27:01.220 --> 27:03.580 my preference is high elf. 27:03.580 --> 27:08.220 If I was in charge, the one race I would add is high elf. 27:08.220 --> 27:10.420 And I was reading a bunch of forums, 27:10.420 --> 27:13.100 high elf to alliance and forsaken elf to horde, 27:13.100 --> 27:17.240 like Sylvanas, that would be absolute perfection. 27:17.240 --> 27:20.720 That would be sick, like that would be my preference. 27:20.720 --> 27:22.680 Okay, that would be dope. 27:22.680 --> 27:24.920 Okay, having said that, 27:27.200 --> 27:28.920 I don't hate Skyborne. 27:28.920 --> 27:32.580 Skyborne is a high elf variant in the lore. 27:32.580 --> 27:34.200 Now people might cringe and say, 27:34.200 --> 27:36.480 well, they just made up the lore. 27:36.480 --> 27:39.960 To that I have to say, I'm a little confused. 27:39.960 --> 27:41.600 All of the lore is made up. 27:41.600 --> 27:44.200 Actually, let's bring out the notepad here. 27:44.200 --> 27:45.040 Okay. 27:45.040 --> 27:48.040 All lures made up. 27:50.040 --> 27:54.040 So let me first start off by saying this. 27:54.040 --> 28:02.040 They told us that the world does not affect. 28:02.040 --> 28:04.040 Is it effect or affect? 28:04.040 --> 28:06.040 Gosh, I'm so bad at this one. 28:06.040 --> 28:09.040 The world does not change. 28:09.040 --> 28:11.040 Let's just use the word change. 28:11.040 --> 28:13.040 The retail lore. 28:13.040 --> 28:20.840 So, in other words, retconning does not exist. 28:20.840 --> 28:27.200 If something happens in this world, it does not change what already happened outside of this world. 28:27.200 --> 28:32.840 Retconning does not exist. So there seems to be some confusion here. 28:32.840 --> 28:35.440 This is the first and foremost part of this. 28:35.440 --> 28:38.740 Retconning does not exist yet. No, there's no yet. 28:38.740 --> 28:44.500 Permanently, this world is a different timeline, it's a different, it's based on 28:45.380 --> 28:50.340 a certain point in wow history, but it's going in its own direction. So retconning does anything 28:50.340 --> 28:57.940 that happens here, does not affect warcraft lore. Are we all on the same page there? 28:57.940 --> 29:02.420 Can everyone just type one if you understand what I just said? Because this is the, is very 29:02.420 --> 29:10.140 important. This is very important for the lore nerds out there. Okay, so I heard people 29:10.140 --> 29:15.900 complaining on random posts, this and that, that, oh, they're retconning, and it's like, 29:15.900 --> 29:21.020 you don't understand what you're saying. There's retconning doesn't exist in this world at 29:21.020 --> 29:28.820 all. It's not canon, that's right. Okay, so, cool. This is very important to understand. 29:28.820 --> 29:37.000 important to understand. Okay. Since this is a world that that exists 29:37.000 --> 29:41.960 alongside the Warcraft floor, it's not actually the Warcraft floor. It gives them creative 29:41.960 --> 29:52.560 freedom to then do stuff. Right. That was one of the pillars of like that was one of 29:52.560 --> 29:55.800 the big conversations in one of those panels, right? It's like, okay, now we can actually 29:55.800 --> 30:03.320 have creative freedom. Since they have creative freedom, they had Metz and draw up the high 30:03.320 --> 30:12.360 elf into Sky Elf, not Sky Elf, Skyborn lore. Since the world doesn't change the retail 30:12.360 --> 30:17.600 lore and since they have creative freedom to do stuff, Metz and himself then said, let's 30:17.600 --> 30:24.720 do stuff, which is what originally World of Warcraft was. 30:24.720 --> 30:26.280 You built the lore. 30:26.280 --> 30:30.520 Are we also following this? 30:30.520 --> 30:33.120 You built the lore. 30:33.120 --> 30:38.960 So Metzen now builds the Skyborne lore from Hylds. 30:38.960 --> 30:46.280 So from there, now you have the Skyborne. 30:46.280 --> 30:51.520 So in my mind, my preference is high-elf and forsaken-elf, because that would have just 30:51.520 --> 30:53.360 been cooler. 30:53.360 --> 31:02.320 But I guess I'm struggling to understand the complete hatred for Skyborne, versus, oh, it 31:02.320 --> 31:03.320 could have been cooler. 31:03.320 --> 31:04.920 Because I think, yes, it could have been cooler. 31:04.920 --> 31:06.820 It could have been high-elf, forsaken-elf. 31:06.820 --> 31:08.320 That would have been sick. 31:08.320 --> 31:10.600 But for me, Skyborne is fine. 31:10.600 --> 31:13.360 And so everyone seems to think that the blue sucks. 31:13.360 --> 31:17.760 Are we all kind of on the same page that the blue is the thing that a lot of people just 31:17.760 --> 31:19.960 they just don't like blue? 31:19.960 --> 31:22.960 Okay, interesting. 31:22.960 --> 31:25.960 Okay. 31:25.960 --> 31:30.720 Um, I am very biased here because I just really like elves. 31:30.720 --> 31:33.320 So for me, it's like, I'm just happy we got a new elf. 31:33.320 --> 31:38.360 Like I think it's sick, but I will say, I think that that high elf would have been would 31:38.360 --> 31:40.360 have been even sicker. 31:40.360 --> 31:45.480 And Forsaken Elf would have been really, really, really, really sick too. 31:45.480 --> 31:49.080 Okay, so we talked about pricing. 31:49.080 --> 31:51.480 We talked about Skyborne a little bit. 31:51.480 --> 31:55.320 We talked about tokens, level boosts. 31:55.320 --> 31:57.320 We talked about the name. 31:57.320 --> 32:01.760 Oh gosh, there's so much to talk about guys. 32:01.760 --> 32:03.960 Oh my gosh. 32:03.960 --> 32:08.760 There's a pay to win mount. 32:08.760 --> 32:20.540 Okay, so pay to win is buying character progression. 32:20.540 --> 32:23.200 Is there actual, is it like a mount that you can get early? 32:23.200 --> 32:26.980 Is it, you know, Gildren thinks with a Prime? 32:26.980 --> 32:29.620 I'm confused on what you guys mean by how is that pay to win? 32:29.620 --> 32:31.860 Yeah, that's what I'm trying to understand. 32:31.860 --> 32:33.660 No there isn't. 32:33.660 --> 32:37.460 So pay to win a pay to win mount would basically be if you pay, you could get a mount at level 32:37.460 --> 32:42.660 Whereas if you don't pay you'd have to wait till 40 or something like that, or I guess it's free if it's free 32:43.820 --> 32:46.060 It saves ADG not really pay to win 32:48.620 --> 32:52.180 Okay, and that's for like a heroic condition I would assume I actually haven't seen that 32:54.380 --> 32:57.940 Cosmetics only yeah, it saves saves ADG 32:59.500 --> 33:03.180 So it's kind of like buying ADG at 40 or something that's why people are upset. Oh 33:03.180 --> 33:13.580 Oh, gosh. There's a lot of stuff I like. And there are things that I don't like. There 33:13.580 --> 33:20.580 really are. Talk servers, please. Okay, servers. Let's talk servers. Let's talk servers. It's 33:20.580 --> 33:27.660 20G, not 80. Oh, that's true, because you still need the skill, maybe. Okay, that's fair 33:27.660 --> 33:36.520 enough. Okay, let's talk servers. The way servers are working is there's no more servers. 33:36.520 --> 33:42.100 There's rule sets. It's actually pretty cool. It's actually pretty cool. So right now, the 33:42.100 --> 33:47.820 way it works is you kind of just, you try to pick a server, but if your friends aren't 33:47.820 --> 33:54.380 on that server, gg's. There's rule sets. So you can, you log in. Everyone's, there's 33:54.380 --> 33:56.300 just one big, there's no more servers, 33:56.300 --> 33:57.920 just one big wow, okay, wow forever. 33:57.920 --> 33:59.820 You just, you play, you pick wow forever. 33:59.820 --> 34:02.660 Less choices of like, okay, this server, this and that, 34:02.660 --> 34:04.620 it's just wow forever, you play. 34:04.620 --> 34:06.980 And but it's gonna ask you on a character creation, 34:06.980 --> 34:11.380 do you want PvE, PvP, RP or hardcore? 34:11.380 --> 34:14.460 Boom, you pick one and then you log in. 34:14.460 --> 34:19.160 From there, I believe that people that you can interact with 34:19.160 --> 34:22.660 will be, like if you want to do a dungeon or a raid, 34:22.660 --> 34:25.580 You're playing with people on your same rule set. 34:25.580 --> 34:28.900 So, so there we go. 34:28.900 --> 34:29.740 What am I picking? 34:29.740 --> 34:30.580 PvP. 34:31.420 --> 34:32.620 Got my sod peeled back together? 34:32.620 --> 34:33.940 W. 34:33.940 --> 34:35.140 No hardcore on release? 34:35.140 --> 34:36.440 Yeah, that'll be later. 34:37.580 --> 34:38.500 Can you ever change it? 34:38.500 --> 34:40.180 I don't think you can. 34:43.060 --> 34:45.220 Regions, yes, there are still regions. 34:45.220 --> 34:47.480 Well, I try hardcore eventually later, yes. 34:48.860 --> 34:49.700 What about camping? 34:49.700 --> 34:51.220 Camping is a bit confusing, 34:51.220 --> 34:54.060 But from what I understand, it basically gives a way 34:54.060 --> 34:56.020 for people to come together and get some buffs 34:56.020 --> 34:57.340 similar to a food buff. 34:59.300 --> 35:01.160 Horde, I'll probably main Alliance. 35:02.460 --> 35:05.100 No server sucks, I think it's great. 35:06.140 --> 35:10.660 But I wanna see how it feels in practice. 35:10.660 --> 35:12.700 Cause you have theory and then you have 35:12.700 --> 35:14.120 how it actually feels. 35:15.300 --> 35:19.240 What they've told us is there's new technology 35:19.240 --> 35:22.200 that makes it to where you're gonna see the same people 35:22.200 --> 35:24.120 time and time again. 35:24.120 --> 35:25.960 We'll see how that feels. 35:25.960 --> 35:27.560 It's, yeah, you can tell us that, 35:27.560 --> 35:29.900 but how is it gonna feel when you're playing the game? 35:29.900 --> 35:33.120 Is it gonna feel like a small server experience 35:33.120 --> 35:35.840 or can it feel like this nice, 35:35.840 --> 35:37.520 this nice tight-knit group or not? 35:38.520 --> 35:39.880 We'll see, I don't know. 35:39.880 --> 35:42.280 It's something we'll have to figure it out. 35:42.280 --> 35:43.480 I'll feel it out rather. 35:43.480 --> 35:53.880 What's up, sorry, what up, Jay? 35:53.880 --> 35:54.880 Self-found? 35:54.880 --> 35:58.320 Uh, there's no self-found that I know of, but I would like a self-found button, that'd 35:58.320 --> 36:00.480 be sick. 36:00.480 --> 36:06.480 Juan, thanks for the prune. 36:06.480 --> 36:07.480 Mm-mm. 36:07.480 --> 36:09.480 All right. 36:09.480 --> 36:12.680 Um, goodness gracious, brother. 36:15.840 --> 36:19.720 I feel like I feel like I want to just get into stuff that I like and don't like. 36:20.120 --> 36:21.320 You know what I mean? 36:21.320 --> 36:25.840 Like that like right up there's just so much to just so much to get down and talk about. 36:26.440 --> 36:30.560 Um, there's things that I like. 36:32.240 --> 36:34.080 What I like. 36:34.080 --> 36:36.000 What I don't like, like just right away. 36:36.000 --> 36:38.360 There's there's things that I that I like and don't like. 36:39.480 --> 36:42.120 a lot of good decisions were made. 36:42.120 --> 36:43.880 There's some stuff that it's like, all right, 36:43.880 --> 36:47.640 like we still need some work, of course, you know, 36:47.640 --> 36:49.400 legacy points. 36:49.400 --> 36:50.840 Legacy points are interesting. 36:50.840 --> 36:52.640 We'll get more into that in a little bit. 36:52.640 --> 36:57.640 I actually think they're kind of a cool idea. 36:57.800 --> 36:59.920 There's some points that I think are too strong 36:59.920 --> 37:02.680 and should be reworked or removed. 37:02.680 --> 37:05.160 The big one that I don't like 37:05.160 --> 37:07.380 is the talent points starting at level five. 37:07.380 --> 37:09.080 That's too strong for a legacy point. 37:09.080 --> 37:11.320 that needs to be changed or cutted. 37:11.320 --> 37:14.160 Like, yeah, I'll probably just straight up, yeah. 37:14.160 --> 37:15.360 Just remove that one. 37:15.360 --> 37:16.440 I think that one's bad. 37:17.800 --> 37:20.560 Other ones that are more like Flavor 37:20.560 --> 37:22.360 or a central small difference, 37:22.360 --> 37:23.920 but it feels good to unlock, 37:23.920 --> 37:26.220 or a reasons to level alts, awesome, cool. 37:26.220 --> 37:28.760 Challenge modes for hardcore, cool. 37:28.760 --> 37:30.320 Reasons to level alts, cool. 37:30.320 --> 37:32.000 Like, I like the idea, 37:32.000 --> 37:33.760 but I don't like talent points being at five. 37:33.760 --> 37:35.000 Like, that's too strong. 37:35.000 --> 37:42.920 Can you have both factions on a PvP world? 37:42.920 --> 37:47.440 I don't want to confirm anything because I actually don't know. 37:47.440 --> 37:54.920 But my guess is that if there's no surfers, the question then becomes can you have both 37:54.920 --> 37:58.720 factions on an account because there's no surfers? 37:58.720 --> 38:08.840 And the answer to that would probably be yes, you can have a undead mage on a PvP ruleset 38:08.840 --> 38:16.680 because there's no servers and then an alliance hunter on the same PvP ruleset. 38:16.680 --> 38:20.080 I actually don't know, so don't quote me on that. 38:20.080 --> 38:24.000 But from how I'm understanding it, since there's no realms, it would only make sense. 38:24.000 --> 38:27.400 The question becomes, can I have Alliance Nord on the same accounts? 38:27.400 --> 38:28.520 And I would assume yes. 38:28.520 --> 38:30.520 I would assume yes, to be honest. 38:30.520 --> 38:32.240 So don't quote me on that, but I would assume yes. 38:32.240 --> 38:35.120 Ask, I can't actually ask. 38:35.120 --> 38:35.960 Give me a sec. 38:38.200 --> 38:40.600 That is a, that actually is a very good question. 38:48.560 --> 38:49.960 I would assume yes though. 38:58.520 --> 39:06.000 Give me a second here guys. I'm trying to figure out the person to ask here 39:28.520 --> 39:33.880 Okay, I'll see if I get an answer on that. 39:33.880 --> 39:34.880 Called John Blizzard. 39:34.880 --> 39:39.000 Yo, guys, actually I have some shout outs. 39:39.000 --> 39:44.000 First of all, massive shout out to John from Blizzard. 39:44.000 --> 39:47.800 No troll, his name is actually John, he's John Blizzard. 39:47.800 --> 39:51.920 Kyle from Blizzard, actually I don't know if Kyle works at Blizzard or if he works just 39:51.920 --> 39:52.920 the event. 39:52.920 --> 39:57.800 I think he was at Blizzard, I don't know. 39:57.800 --> 40:04.800 Kyle and Alex holy crap they carry my weekend Alex John and Kyle were like my guys um 40:06.200 --> 40:12.640 Additionally shout out to all of you guys that I met holy crap. Thanks for coming up and saying hi. That was wild 40:13.000 --> 40:21.240 Guys, that was wild guys. That was wild. I cannot believe how many people were there saying I actually couldn't believe it 40:21.240 --> 40:24.080 I legit couldn't believe it. It was it was nuts. I 40:24.080 --> 40:29.240 I met Pops guys. I met everyone that I wanted to see besides grace for days 40:30.680 --> 40:34.680 Grace for days. I had a list of people I wanted to say hi to grace for days was the only person 40:34.680 --> 40:36.560 I didn't get to set say hi to 40:36.560 --> 40:39.680 She bait yeah, everyone everyone literally everyone except 40:40.920 --> 40:42.360 Grace 40:42.360 --> 40:45.280 Swiftie yes, literally yes to everyone except grace. I 40:46.560 --> 40:52.280 Saw I saw every single person that you guys are saying. Yeah bean choker then pika 40:54.080 --> 40:55.520 Like everyone, yes. 40:58.440 --> 41:00.460 Tyler won, Soda, yes. 41:01.840 --> 41:05.900 Cargos, Max, yes, Ziko, yes, Ben, yes, everyone. 41:05.900 --> 41:07.800 I saw everyone except Grace. 41:09.800 --> 41:12.040 So it was good, it's good. 41:12.040 --> 41:13.480 Shroud, I actually met Shroud on the stream, 41:13.480 --> 41:16.200 you guys saw that as my first time getting shrouded. 41:16.200 --> 41:17.880 And then Fritz, Fritz was there. 41:19.320 --> 41:20.960 Sony didn't go, Pashir didn't go. 41:20.960 --> 41:22.800 I was kind of sad about that. 41:24.080 --> 41:33.240 Show back. Yeah. Um, okay. Okay. Okay. I know a lot of you are classic 41:33.240 --> 41:40.840 Gandy's and well forever and ease. I've got to say, can we just talk a WC for a second? 41:40.840 --> 41:45.200 If you guys watched the watch party we did on the couch with peekaboo and we were kind 41:45.200 --> 41:53.240 of casting it there or like reacting to it there. Oh my gosh. Congratulations to Calvish 41:53.240 --> 42:01.040 man and team gators back they did it. All right quick story time quick quick 42:01.040 --> 42:07.640 story time quick story time quick story time quick story time I talked to 42:07.640 --> 42:14.440 Calvish after he won and I was just chatting with him and he said did you 42:14.440 --> 42:21.880 know how I got into PvP and I was like no what's up and he said he watched one of 42:21.880 --> 42:28.180 my videos in Legion on YouTube it came up on his recommended and he thought it 42:28.180 --> 42:34.060 looked fun so he started playing because of my video and I was like trying to not 42:34.060 --> 42:37.960 cry like break down I was like oh my gosh this guy like literally on the BlizzCon 42:37.960 --> 42:44.880 champion stage was inspired to play from a video we put out ten years ago what 42:44.880 --> 42:51.580 the heck it was nuts so we log in or you know he logs in starts playing 42:51.580 --> 42:58.060 whatever. And he's like 12, like 10, 11, 12, like he's very young. And he ends up getting gladiator 42:58.060 --> 43:06.180 when he's like 12. Um, and one of his friends sends me a message saying, Hey, I have a friend. His name 43:06.180 --> 43:12.380 is Calvish. He's a gladiator. He's not ranked one yet. But when you play with him, he's really good. 43:12.980 --> 43:17.940 And I don't know why I saw this message. He said he's like a big fan. He wants to play. And I was like, 43:17.940 --> 43:22.100 Of course, yeah, let's let's hit it up. I was streaming one day and I played with him on stream and 43:24.300 --> 43:28.900 He was a rank one player back then he was just a glad and I we played one session 43:28.900 --> 43:32.780 And I was like holy crap man, and he was telling me this story 43:32.780 --> 43:38.660 This was how Calvish telling me the story and he goes like and he goes you told me something 43:39.300 --> 43:41.300 he said 43:42.140 --> 43:45.420 You told me I had a lot of promise and if I stuck to it I 43:45.420 --> 43:51.860 I would you know I could go very far. I told him that I guess like 10 years ago or something like eight years 43:51.860 --> 43:57.260 He I don't know and I guess it stuck with him and he kept playing and he ended up getting ranked one 43:57.360 --> 44:00.300 He ended up making a team and they didn't do very well for a while 44:00.460 --> 44:01.700 And he stuck with it 44:01.700 --> 44:06.500 He made another team another team and then he played with Cubsie literal Cubsie as his healer 44:06.500 --> 44:11.440 And then they want everything this year and they went all the way and they took it and to see him on that stage 44:12.420 --> 44:14.420 after all of that 44:14.420 --> 44:24.420 was the coolest thing, man, to see him on that stage holding the trophy after this entire story was just like, 44:24.420 --> 44:31.420 it was so cool. It was so cool. Like, the feeling was just so cool, man. 44:31.420 --> 44:37.420 So anyway, it was a cool story. Congratulations to Calvish and team. 44:37.420 --> 44:39.420 Cubsie days whiz K 44:40.460 --> 44:42.140 It was uh 44:42.140 --> 44:45.880 Yeah, an absolute awesome awesome moment 44:48.020 --> 44:52.180 Okay, that's that story that's that story 44:57.820 --> 44:59.820 Um 45:01.780 --> 45:05.260 Are the SD models actually the old models yes from what I can tell yeah 45:07.420 --> 45:15.300 Likes and dislikes now. Okay. Um, I mean, I honestly haven't flushed all of this out. 45:15.300 --> 45:19.820 So I'm going to be kind of thinking about this live as I'm typing these things out. 45:19.820 --> 45:27.940 Okay. What I like, what I don't like, uh, what I, what, what, what's like the, it's 45:27.940 --> 45:33.300 like, I don't know. It's like, I'm, I'm, I don't know, like so, so about, you know, 45:33.300 --> 45:38.900 It's like, eh, eh, eh, you know, like it could have been better, 45:38.900 --> 45:43.020 it could have been worse, you know, indifferent, sure. 45:43.140 --> 45:45.300 That's a much better word than so-so, fine. 45:46.820 --> 45:47.340 Okay. 45:47.540 --> 45:52.780 Um, should we start negative first or did we start positive first? 45:52.820 --> 45:54.060 Or did we start indifferent first? 45:54.140 --> 45:54.900 Goodness gracious. 45:54.900 --> 45:56.660 There's a lot, there's a lot here. 45:57.980 --> 45:58.340 Okay. 45:58.340 --> 46:00.980 What I like, the big stuff, they got right. 46:00.980 --> 46:10.260 No flying, um, you know, plastic wow universe, right? Um, you know, level 60 cap forever. 46:12.180 --> 46:24.180 Um, you know, it's, it's not ending, right? Like it's giving us content, uh, continual content 46:24.180 --> 46:30.260 updates. It's what we wanted, right? Continual content updates. Like the game, the structure 46:30.260 --> 46:35.020 The structure of the game itself is what I like. 46:35.020 --> 46:37.020 I'm going to add more to that for a second. 46:37.020 --> 46:40.140 Like I said, I'm thinking through this as I'm typing. 46:40.140 --> 46:44.060 What I don't like, I'm just going to straight up say it, guys. 46:44.060 --> 46:44.660 Retail UI. 46:49.300 --> 46:51.500 Please, Blizzard, give us a toggle to go to classic. 46:55.220 --> 46:58.180 Like, yeah, that's the biggest one for me. 46:58.180 --> 47:01.620 The second biggest one that I don't like is energy manatecks. 47:02.660 --> 47:03.780 Need to return. 47:04.900 --> 47:06.820 Like right now it's smooth, there's no ticks. 47:06.820 --> 47:09.180 Like the tick system needs to return 47:09.180 --> 47:11.900 in the retail UI needs to go 47:11.900 --> 47:13.620 or at least a toggle to the classic one. 47:13.620 --> 47:15.740 These are probably the two biggest things 47:15.740 --> 47:16.740 of what I don't like. 47:22.540 --> 47:23.660 What I do like, 47:25.780 --> 47:27.820 goodness gracious, 47:27.820 --> 47:31.600 $15 to play sub only is crazy. 47:31.600 --> 47:35.880 Like, yeah, enough people aren't talking about this. 47:35.880 --> 47:39.280 I for sure thought it was gonna be a $59.99 box price. 47:39.280 --> 47:42.220 It's literally a sub to play, 30 bucks 47:42.220 --> 47:44.900 if you wanna get the new raise, but you don't have to. 47:44.900 --> 47:46.200 That is crazy. 47:46.200 --> 47:47.980 That is actually crazy. 47:47.980 --> 47:51.040 I thought for sure it would be more than that. 47:51.040 --> 47:56.040 And then no WoW token plus boosts is insane as well. 47:57.820 --> 48:02.360 No WoW token, no boosts, like they could have been 48:02.360 --> 48:05.440 so much greedier with this, I'm shocked, I'm shocked. 48:07.820 --> 48:10.160 Okay, what else? 48:10.160 --> 48:13.060 What I'm indifferent about, let's start adding to this list. 48:14.180 --> 48:17.200 Like Skyborne, like I already covered this in depth 48:17.200 --> 48:20.000 on another notepad, but Skyborne, 48:20.000 --> 48:24.460 I would have preferred High Elf 48:24.460 --> 48:28.180 plus Forsaken Hylph, or yeah, Forsaken Hylph. 48:28.180 --> 48:30.220 Like that, or just Forsaken Elf, I guess. 48:30.220 --> 48:31.540 That would have been so cool. 48:31.540 --> 48:32.780 It would have been even cooler, 48:32.780 --> 48:34.220 but I actually don't hate Skyborne, 48:34.220 --> 48:35.700 and I know a lot of you guys do, 48:35.700 --> 48:37.700 but I'm more indifferent. 48:37.700 --> 48:40.820 Having said that, I do just love elves. 48:40.820 --> 48:44.540 Like, so I'm really happy that it's an elf. 48:44.540 --> 48:45.820 Like, I think they're cool, 48:45.820 --> 48:47.940 but it could have been even cooler. 48:47.940 --> 48:50.140 So I'm a little indifferent about that. 48:50.140 --> 48:57.060 Okay, what else what else I need some ideas here 49:01.900 --> 49:07.140 Transmog, okay, I'm indifferent like I trans mug toggleable 49:09.340 --> 49:13.860 Personally, I think it's better out all together 49:15.980 --> 49:17.980 But at least I can toggle off I 49:17.980 --> 49:25.620 I don't think Transmog should exist period, but I appreciate the toggle. 49:25.620 --> 49:30.620 Once again, I don't think the retail UI should exist period, but I would be fine with the 49:30.620 --> 49:31.620 toggle. 49:31.620 --> 49:32.620 The toggle helps me. 49:32.620 --> 49:33.620 Oh, what I like. 49:33.620 --> 49:34.620 Goodness gracious. 49:34.620 --> 49:35.620 SD character models. 49:35.620 --> 49:36.620 Are you kidding me? 49:36.620 --> 49:37.620 Are you kidding me? 49:37.620 --> 49:38.620 That's amazing. 49:38.620 --> 49:40.620 SD character model toggle, W. 49:40.620 --> 49:47.620 Um, realm-less, yeah, no realms is a massive W. 49:47.620 --> 49:58.540 Um, Barber, if there actually is a Barber, that's, I don't like that. 49:58.540 --> 50:04.980 I haven't seen that, but if that it actually is, why, um, yeah, I can explain why. 50:04.980 --> 50:11.820 So back in older versions of WoW, I always really enjoyed when you're running around 50:11.820 --> 50:17.180 like Iron Forge and you saw, I don't know, like a little gnome run by with the green 50:17.180 --> 50:22.740 pigtails and you knew that guy based on his name and his style of what his character looks 50:22.740 --> 50:26.260 like and you would see him time and time again and be like, that's the little guy with the 50:26.260 --> 50:33.300 green pigtails and you became this character in this world, right? 50:33.300 --> 50:37.740 Once you can start changing all of these things, it kind of starts to lose that identity. 50:37.740 --> 50:48.780 Now, Barber is worse if you can change, worse if you can change gender and like, I guess 50:48.780 --> 50:49.780 that's the big one. 50:49.780 --> 50:54.780 Like if once you go male-female and you start changing like more and more, and better if 50:54.780 --> 50:59.620 it's just like haircuts, if it's just haircuts. 50:59.620 --> 51:04.500 But still, I don't like it in general, right? 51:04.500 --> 51:09.380 So yeah, it's pretty much that. 51:09.380 --> 51:14.940 What I'm indifferent about, what I like, okay, we need more ideas here. 51:14.940 --> 51:17.900 Camping, okay, hold on, legacy system. 51:17.900 --> 51:24.260 Okay, so I like the legacy system, but there's things that I would change. 51:24.260 --> 51:27.980 So legacy system in general, I like. 51:27.980 --> 51:38.620 The legacy system gives you reasons to level alts, and it gives you something to kind of 51:38.620 --> 51:40.220 look forward to unlock. 51:40.220 --> 51:50.740 But what I don't like is the legacy system talent point at level five. 51:50.740 --> 51:56.980 It's just two OP, and it's going to make like if you have five alts and you have talent 51:56.980 --> 52:01.600 points at level five when you're in the deadlines, you're going to be way stronger with five extra 52:01.600 --> 52:07.320 talent points than someone who hasn't done that. To such a degree that if you're playing 52:07.320 --> 52:11.040 DPS, the tank might not be able to keep threat on you. It just kind of breaks the game. I 52:11.040 --> 52:15.920 don't think it's necessary. It's just too much. I would honestly just say, remove it. 52:15.920 --> 52:19.720 Just remove it. I actually will probably give them that feedback. Like just remove it. Like 52:19.720 --> 52:21.800 I just, it's just too good. 52:25.360 --> 52:26.200 Okay. 52:27.400 --> 52:28.640 Okay. 52:28.640 --> 52:29.480 What else? 52:30.560 --> 52:31.400 What else? 52:32.920 --> 52:34.180 First, last name? 52:35.480 --> 52:36.800 I'm in, like, okay. 52:36.800 --> 52:38.880 The first, last name is, I'm indifferent. 52:38.880 --> 52:39.960 I don't hate it. 52:39.960 --> 52:43.440 The problem is it makes things a little weird and awkward, 52:43.440 --> 52:45.520 but the upside is you need this 52:45.520 --> 52:48.400 because there's no realms and there's only rule sets. 52:48.400 --> 52:56.400 So you need necessary because of rule sets instead of realms. 52:56.400 --> 53:03.200 Like, so in other words, we would run out of names like, like you kind of need this if there's no realms. 53:03.200 --> 53:05.400 So it's fine. I'm indifferent about it. 53:05.400 --> 53:08.500 It feels a little weird, but it's like, that's necessary, whatever. 53:08.500 --> 53:11.400 It's necessary for something that is really cool. 53:11.400 --> 53:20.360 Um, updated graphics. 53:20.360 --> 53:29.240 So I like OG graphics a lot, but I like, ugh, I hate to say this, but after watching that 53:29.240 --> 53:33.520 graphic panel they looked really good. 53:33.520 --> 53:37.560 I almost would still like a toggle. 53:37.560 --> 53:38.560 I'm indifferent. 53:38.560 --> 53:40.240 Like I actually don't just love it. 53:40.240 --> 53:46.740 I mean, I do love it, but I'm also in diff- like, the updated grap- I would be fine with the old ones, but I'd get it, like... 53:48.240 --> 53:50.040 Okay, fine, they look nice. 53:51.440 --> 53:52.740 Okay, really nice. 53:55.640 --> 53:56.640 But I still want to toggle. 53:56.940 --> 54:06.640 I think I toggle to OG graphics, similar to Warcraft 3 Reforged, um, similar to a lot of other, um, classic games that are relaunched. 54:06.640 --> 54:11.480 Sure, give us the updated graphics, but a toggle to go back to how it looked before would be cool. 54:11.480 --> 54:13.980 But they look pretty darn good. 54:27.980 --> 54:28.980 Okay. 54:30.980 --> 54:33.480 Sorry, you, the toggle-o. Yeah. 54:33.480 --> 54:35.480 Uh, racials... 54:35.480 --> 54:40.480 From what I saw of Racial's, they seem fine. 54:40.480 --> 54:45.480 Racial's seem okay. 54:45.480 --> 54:48.480 Um, what else? 54:48.480 --> 54:49.480 The name? 54:49.480 --> 54:52.480 I'm pretty indifferent about the name. 54:52.480 --> 54:55.480 Like the name forever. 54:55.480 --> 54:57.480 I don't love it. 54:57.480 --> 55:02.480 I think there was probably better options, but I will say this. 55:02.480 --> 55:04.480 Names are hard. 55:04.480 --> 55:09.000 If I was in charge, I probably would have called it classic plus, which is like way worse probably. 55:09.000 --> 55:11.840 So I don't know. I don't have a better suggestion. 55:11.840 --> 55:15.840 Eternal maybe would have been cooler, but I don't care. It's whatever. 55:20.340 --> 55:22.340 New talents in reworks. 55:22.920 --> 55:25.360 In general, I like them. 55:26.820 --> 55:31.360 But there needs to be way more cooking in the kitchen. 55:31.640 --> 55:34.020 New talents in general are solid. 55:34.480 --> 55:38.080 But it depends. Some need work. 55:38.580 --> 55:44.880 Like for example, the Paladin talents are so good. 55:44.880 --> 55:47.580 As a mage, I'm jealous. 55:47.580 --> 55:51.680 But mages didn't need as much love as Paladins, so I get it. 55:52.180 --> 55:55.580 But like, Paladins are so cool that I just want to make one. 55:55.580 --> 55:59.580 I am an OG Palimane as well, but they just look amazing. 55:59.580 --> 56:03.780 Whereas mage is like little lackluster, but... 56:04.480 --> 56:09.200 They didn't need as much love, so I get it. You know what I mean they like mage mages 56:09.200 --> 56:11.200 I think have four changes in total 56:11.960 --> 56:13.800 four 56:13.800 --> 56:15.480 but 56:15.480 --> 56:20.200 They didn't need more than that in a sense, right? They didn't need more so like I get it 56:23.080 --> 56:25.080 Mages were already good exactly 56:25.080 --> 56:40.680 I've been telling you guys this for a while. I love that they did on that paladin. I know 56:40.680 --> 56:47.560 Savik's loves that one too. I'm so happy with that. Very happy with that. That's an ochi 56:47.560 --> 56:48.880 P. Pally main from the start. 56:48.880 --> 56:49.880 I love it. 56:49.880 --> 56:54.480 Looks awesome. 56:54.480 --> 56:58.300 Raid sizes remind me what they said on Raid sizes. 56:58.300 --> 56:59.560 Is it 10 and 20 man? 56:59.560 --> 57:03.440 Is that what they said? 57:03.440 --> 57:04.920 It's 10 20. 57:04.920 --> 57:06.360 So that's my preference. 57:06.360 --> 57:07.360 That's literally my preference. 57:07.360 --> 57:09.520 So I'm going to say I like it. 57:09.520 --> 57:12.640 But I understand that people why people don't like this. 57:12.640 --> 57:14.760 And I actually, I actually get it. 57:14.760 --> 57:17.520 Oh, there's going to be 10, there's going to be 40s. 57:17.520 --> 57:19.600 Oh, Ani is 40. 57:19.600 --> 57:20.280 Oh, interesting. 57:20.280 --> 57:22.960 So this just has to be a W. Yeah, I like that, then. 57:35.440 --> 57:36.560 Did leveling seem faster? 57:36.560 --> 57:37.480 I think it's the same. 57:43.440 --> 57:44.720 Early spell power gear. 57:47.520 --> 57:54.200 Um, okay. 57:54.200 --> 58:03.200 In terms of the early spell power gear, the itemization, they want to change a little 58:03.200 --> 58:10.020 bit because I was very, I actually am, okay, I'm concerned about this. 58:10.020 --> 58:11.560 I actually am concerned. 58:11.560 --> 58:14.720 I already kind of told them this. 58:14.720 --> 58:24.320 What you don't want to happen is you have very strong early gear, like in sod BFD, and 58:24.320 --> 58:29.460 then what needs to happen is Nomur needs to give you better gear, and then Sunken Temple 58:29.460 --> 58:32.560 needs to give you better gear, and each patch needs to give you better, and then you have 58:32.560 --> 58:37.240 this insanely inflated damage number by the end of it to where like you're hitting billions 58:37.240 --> 58:38.240 before you know it. 58:38.240 --> 58:39.240 That's bad. 58:39.240 --> 58:43.800 So what I'm concerned about is when I saw something like Staff of the Westfall with 50 58:43.800 --> 58:50.700 power like or yeah like that it's just a wait wait like way too good I'll say 58:50.700 --> 58:56.340 what the heck so so I told them that I was like what the heck and like that's 58:56.340 --> 59:00.100 gonna be bad down the road like we got to make sure that power creep doesn't 59:00.100 --> 59:06.300 just ruin the game instantly um and what they said was this and I thought it was 59:06.300 --> 59:12.900 actually quite fascinating when you get a weapon on a rogue or a warrior or any 59:12.900 --> 59:19.780 type of melee user that weapon chunks, right? It chunks. Like the weapon upgrades on a warrior 59:19.780 --> 59:27.100 are a big deal. In classic WoW, weapon upgrades for casters aren't as big of a deal while 59:27.100 --> 59:32.620 you're leveling. You just kind of get more intellect. It's like, okay, nice. Right? But 59:32.620 --> 59:38.300 for a melee, they're everything. So what they did is moved more power into spell caster 59:38.300 --> 59:46.780 weapons specifically and remove that same amount of power from, um, I don't know, like 59:46.780 --> 59:52.980 the spell, the, like the spell itself, I suppose, and make it feel like when you get a weapon 59:52.980 --> 59:54.500 upgrade, it's a big deal. 59:54.500 --> 01:00:01.540 So in other words, weapon upgrades on casters should feel like weapon upgrades on melees. 01:00:01.540 --> 01:00:03.020 That's the goal. 01:00:03.020 --> 01:00:04.340 They just move the power. 01:00:04.340 --> 01:00:06.220 It's not extra power. 01:00:06.220 --> 01:00:11.100 So the upgrade on the weapon should feel sick on a caster or a healer, just like it does 01:00:11.100 --> 01:00:12.100 on a melee. 01:00:12.100 --> 01:00:13.740 That's the idea. 01:00:13.740 --> 01:00:19.660 Anyway, so that kind of answers the weapon situation. 01:00:19.660 --> 01:00:22.620 Now, still though, power creep is a problem. 01:00:22.620 --> 01:00:28.220 You do not want to give too many stats early on, or you kind of screw yourself later on. 01:00:28.220 --> 01:00:33.500 So I am a little concerned about that, still, to be honest. 01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:35.220 You see the new priest racial spells? 01:00:35.220 --> 01:00:58.340 in general. Bubble, thanks for the prime, man. Aja, thanks for the two of them. Camping, 01:00:58.340 --> 01:01:04.820 Okay, uh, camping I'm kind of indifferent about. 01:01:04.820 --> 01:01:09.300 Camping is something that like, it's a little confusing. 01:01:09.300 --> 01:01:15.060 From what I understand, it gives you a reason to make a campfire and for people to come up 01:01:15.060 --> 01:01:20.940 to that campfire and utilize the profession in order to give a buff to more people. 01:01:20.940 --> 01:01:22.580 It's social. 01:01:22.580 --> 01:01:24.780 It's not like world buffs. 01:01:24.780 --> 01:01:27.900 It's more like a food buff, like a small buff, 01:01:27.900 --> 01:01:30.700 but it's something that you could help someone else out. 01:01:30.700 --> 01:01:33.740 It gives more versatility to professions 01:01:33.740 --> 01:01:37.620 and it's a small buff. 01:01:37.620 --> 01:01:40.660 I don't love it, to be honest, but I don't hate it. 01:01:40.660 --> 01:01:43.820 It's just like, oh, okay, cool. 01:01:43.820 --> 01:01:46.460 All right, so yeah. 01:01:54.780 --> 01:01:58.780 XP buff from food? Crazy. 01:01:58.780 --> 01:02:03.280 Alright, what other stuff can I put on this list? 01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:08.280 World buffs, so world buffs 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.280 are gone in raids. 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:16.480 Massive W. Love it. 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:20.080 Love, love, love, love, love, love this. 01:02:20.080 --> 01:02:23.280 Love it. Insanely good. 01:02:23.280 --> 01:02:33.920 new zones I mean we don't really like haven't seen too much of them but they look okay so 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:38.040 far I mean like obviously I like that there's new zones if that's what you guys are asking 01:02:38.040 --> 01:02:46.440 like of course there's gonna be new zones though yeah new zones sure rated arenas there 01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:47.880 There is no rated arenas. 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:50.520 Ping system, cool, yeah, fine. 01:02:50.520 --> 01:02:53.700 Add-ons, add-ons are about the same. 01:02:59.680 --> 01:03:02.960 Animations look good if you play with the SD models. 01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:04.960 And even the HD one, oh, okay, 01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:08.480 let's talk about animations for a second, right? 01:03:08.480 --> 01:03:12.040 I'll put that under here on SD character models 01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:13.840 plus animations. 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:16.280 So this was a little confusing. 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:18.240 They did two things. 01:03:18.240 --> 01:03:23.240 On the updated models, AKA the retail models, 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:25.960 they made the animations not bouncy, 01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:31.280 but more just as you would know them. 01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:35.800 On the new models, I actually hate the new models, 01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.480 but love and appreciate that they removed the bounciness. 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:43.840 Additionally, I would go so far as to say, 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.360 just bring that to retail. 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:46.920 No one likes the bounciness. 01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:48.960 Okay, I gotta not scream, because my voice, 01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:50.360 I lost my voice this weekend. 01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:54.160 Do we have any retail players in here? 01:03:54.160 --> 01:03:56.880 Do you guys want the bounce out on retail as well? 01:03:56.880 --> 01:03:58.440 Hashtag bounce out, bro. 01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:00.000 Like, are you kidding me? 01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:04.040 Like, get rid of the bounciness on retail, man. 01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:05.600 It would be, so many people would be happy 01:04:05.600 --> 01:04:06.440 with this on retail. 01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:08.600 Anyway, anyway, that's whatever. 01:04:08.600 --> 01:04:17.680 The SD character models are exactly what we know them as, and it's pretty cool. 01:04:17.680 --> 01:04:20.360 So I'm just going to play with SD no matter what. 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:25.840 Okay, water, water, I mean, dude, the water looks amazing. 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:28.920 The water looks amazing. 01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:35.960 Boats, oh, mobility through boats is awesome. 01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:38.580 What they could have done is just added a bunch more ports. 01:04:38.580 --> 01:04:40.460 What they could have done is added flying. 01:04:40.460 --> 01:04:43.260 Boats are great because you have to run there. 01:04:43.260 --> 01:04:48.940 You can move quicker through the world, but you still have to be on a boat with other 01:04:48.940 --> 01:04:53.600 players and interact with those players, run to the harbor, wait for the boat, duel someone 01:04:53.600 --> 01:04:54.600 while you're waiting. 01:04:54.600 --> 01:04:56.380 It's a good way to add mobility. 01:04:56.380 --> 01:05:01.020 Very happy. 01:05:01.020 --> 01:05:04.360 Skyborn does not have an SDHE toggle. 01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:07.540 Fair enough, I guess. 01:05:07.540 --> 01:05:09.380 Yeah, because it's new. 01:05:09.380 --> 01:05:13.040 It kind of makes sense, I guess, but yeah, fair enough. 01:05:13.040 --> 01:05:14.700 Flight times, are they changed? 01:05:14.700 --> 01:05:16.540 I actually don't know. 01:05:23.240 --> 01:05:24.740 Dungeon XP nerf. 01:05:27.720 --> 01:05:28.900 Can someone link to, 01:05:28.900 --> 01:05:30.600 where did they talk about Dungeon XP nerf? 01:05:30.600 --> 01:05:32.600 I actually might have missed that. 01:05:32.600 --> 01:05:35.680 Um, I might have missed what they said there. 01:05:35.680 --> 01:05:40.680 In general, I like the idea in a perfect world of this. 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.000 If you run a dungeon with your friends 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:50.760 with all of the quests, it's very good XP. 01:05:52.020 --> 01:05:57.020 If you do the dungeon again after that, it's okay XP, 01:05:57.020 --> 01:06:02.220 XP, but it would be better to continue questing in the world. 01:06:02.220 --> 01:06:09.660 In other words, I do not want the optimal leveling strategy to be spamming dungeons only, like 01:06:09.660 --> 01:06:15.020 it is currently, because if that's the case, people will only just spam dungeons over and 01:06:15.020 --> 01:06:17.740 over and that just sucks. 01:06:17.740 --> 01:06:20.780 Let me say, let me actually go in more depth here. 01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:25.780 I believe that it's a game designer's job 01:06:26.700 --> 01:06:28.660 to create the optimal leveling route 01:06:28.660 --> 01:06:33.660 to be fun and engaging, not repetitive and boring. 01:06:33.820 --> 01:06:36.420 Like Season of Discovery, the quickest way to level 01:06:36.420 --> 01:06:38.540 was to spam the same quest over and over. 01:06:38.540 --> 01:06:40.560 That is a design failure. 01:06:41.620 --> 01:06:46.020 The optimal leveling route should be versatile and fun. 01:06:46.020 --> 01:06:47.900 Like the optimal leveling route should be, 01:06:47.900 --> 01:06:50.140 do you do some quests and some dungeon quests 01:06:50.140 --> 01:06:51.920 and get in there and then go back out in the world. 01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:54.840 It shouldn't be, I'm gonna reset this dungeon five times an hour 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:58.960 and just spam it until a hundred times in a row. 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:03.440 So if that's what the dungeon XP nerf solves, I love it. 01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:09.120 But I might be misunderstanding if that's not what it is. 01:07:09.120 --> 01:07:11.400 If that's what it is, I love it. 01:07:11.400 --> 01:07:13.120 That's what it's solving, I love it. 01:07:13.120 --> 01:07:20.320 It is, if that's essentially what it is, cool. 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:24.520 So basically, the first dungeon run, very, very, very worth it. 01:07:24.520 --> 01:07:29.120 If you want to spam dungeons, it's fine, but it won't be the optimal way to level. 01:07:29.120 --> 01:07:30.120 to W in my book. 01:07:44.960 --> 01:07:46.040 Nerfed AOE. 01:07:46.040 --> 01:07:48.160 OK, so I missed nerfed AOE. 01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:49.640 What is that? 01:07:49.640 --> 01:07:50.400 Talk to me. 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:51.320 Tell me about it. 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.360 What does nerfed AOE mean? 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.900 I saw actually a little bit with Paladin Consecration only 01:07:56.900 --> 01:07:58.360 hitting four targets. 01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:00.360 Is that the same thing for all AWEs? 01:08:03.120 --> 01:08:05.000 It's four targets, period. 01:08:10.020 --> 01:08:10.860 Wait, actually hold on, 01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:13.900 before we get there, someone linked to this. 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:16.940 This is an article on IC Veins, 01:08:16.940 --> 01:08:18.580 wow, forever cuts Dungeon Kill XP 01:08:18.580 --> 01:08:21.320 but makes Dungeon Quest more rewarding. 01:08:21.320 --> 01:08:24.200 Less Kill XP, bigger Dungeon Quest rewards. 01:08:24.200 --> 01:08:25.640 The intended payoff behind this change 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:26.600 from Blizzard's eyes is clear. 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:31.240 Repeated dungeons clearing should not be the optimal leveling route instead 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.620 Exploring new dungeons in a while forever should be rewarded accordingly 01:08:35.400 --> 01:08:41.360 That is exactly what I'm talking about. That is a big W. Either way Chris. I met this guy 01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:43.360 He's been on the team like the whole time 01:08:45.040 --> 01:08:51.560 This guy knows his stuff. He's a true OG classic player. He's a this Chris is a true OG 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:54.240 He's a veteran this guy knows what he's talking about 01:08:54.240 --> 01:09:01.240 Yes, now one place experience did change. We made a big change for Dungeons. That amount of XP you get from killing monsters in Dungeons 01:09:01.240 --> 01:09:06.240 We brought way down. We made the amount of XP for completing Dungeon Quest much, much, much higher. 01:09:06.240 --> 01:09:12.240 So your first run through with Dungeons amazing, you get tons of XP, you get great rewards. Amazing. Amazing. 01:09:16.240 --> 01:09:21.240 L, policing up people, choose to play the game. So I think you're misunderstanding. 01:09:21.240 --> 01:09:25.960 Yeah, okay, you are misunderstanding. 01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:30.120 So what they're not doing is policing how you want to play the game. 01:09:30.120 --> 01:09:31.760 That's not what they're doing. 01:09:31.760 --> 01:09:33.440 That they're not doing that. 01:09:33.440 --> 01:09:35.200 They are not doing that. 01:09:35.200 --> 01:09:42.320 What they are doing is making the optimal way to play the game, exploring the world. 01:09:42.320 --> 01:09:43.880 You can still run dungeons. 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:48.840 So what they could have done is say, okay, guys, you can only do one dungeon an hour. 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:50.400 That would have been policing how you play. 01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:57.840 not doing that. Does that make sense? They are not policing how you play the game. You 01:09:57.840 --> 01:10:03.860 can still play how you wanted, but the optimal way isn't going to be spam repeating dungeons, 01:10:03.860 --> 01:10:16.060 so they're not policing how you play. You can play however you want. Cool. There we go. 01:10:16.060 --> 01:10:20.360 I think a lot of this is very subtle. That's why I want to clarify a lot of this stuff. 01:10:20.360 --> 01:10:28.000 It's like, it's kind of like the sky-born thing, like optics on it are like, oh, they're 01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:35.240 charging 30 bucks for a race, but the reality is, is the game itself is free with a sub 01:10:35.240 --> 01:10:37.440 when we all thought it was going to be 60 bucks. 01:10:37.440 --> 01:10:41.240 So we all got off like way, way, way, way, way cheaper than before, although it does 01:10:41.240 --> 01:10:43.600 kind of look bad. 01:10:43.600 --> 01:10:45.600 It's still a massive win, right? 01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:57.160 I actually talked to Blizzard on why they chose to do that 01:10:57.160 --> 01:10:58.680 because it actually looks kind of bad 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:00.720 instead of just, because what they could have done 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:02.560 is just a $30 box price. 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:04.160 And if they did a $30 box price, 01:11:04.160 --> 01:11:05.960 I don't think people would have blinked twice. 01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:07.680 Everyone would have been like, okay, 01:11:07.680 --> 01:11:11.960 but it would have basically made way more money 01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:14.960 the $30 box price, but people would have complained less too. 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:16.200 So maybe they actually should have, 01:11:16.200 --> 01:11:18.880 they actually should have, funny. 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:23.760 But the reason they did it is because they wanted more people 01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.760 to be able to just pay 15 bucks and play right away 01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.760 because they want to hit this thing to critical mass. 01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:32.560 They want to get like, they want like 15 bucks 01:11:32.560 --> 01:11:36.120 to be able to try it versus 30 is a big difference, right? 01:11:36.120 --> 01:11:38.120 They want everyone to try this thing. 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:41.040 Cash doors lower exactly. 01:11:41.040 --> 01:11:41.540 Yeah. 01:11:43.340 --> 01:11:44.940 PvP, there's no arenas. 01:11:46.940 --> 01:11:50.540 They're, hopefully, will be some fun world stuff, though. 01:11:53.340 --> 01:11:53.840 Okay. 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.940 Debuff limit removed as far as I know. Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah. 01:12:06.140 --> 01:12:08.340 I mean, there's so many things. 01:12:08.340 --> 01:12:10.900 T-Buff limit removed. 01:12:13.540 --> 01:12:14.700 I don't know, like tool spec. 01:12:14.700 --> 01:12:17.900 Obviously, like these are like no-brainer ones. 01:12:17.900 --> 01:12:21.420 60-minute buffs, obviously crate. 01:12:23.340 --> 01:12:26.080 Gosh, no world buffs. 01:12:32.420 --> 01:12:34.020 I'm gonna run out of space here. 01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:45.340 Dot's critting, that's cool. 01:12:45.340 --> 01:12:47.340 Class balance, class balance is going to be awful. 01:12:47.340 --> 01:12:50.960 There's going to need to be a lot of changes, but that's what you would expect on any new 01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.940 content, so it's how it is. 01:12:54.940 --> 01:12:57.100 AOE camp, I need to read more about the AOE camp. 01:12:57.100 --> 01:13:02.500 I actually don't fully understand it, so I can't give you my opinion yet. 01:13:02.500 --> 01:13:24.580 I think it's cool. I don't mind it. 40 quest cap. Cool. Up from 20. Your microphone stand 01:13:24.580 --> 01:13:29.700 is reflecting the chat. Yeah, it actually is. If you guys look right here. Yeah, I'll 01:13:29.700 --> 01:13:38.260 a full cam. This is the chat. See that? That's what I'm reading right there. That's you guys. 01:13:38.980 --> 01:13:44.260 See that? Is that kind of cool or what? It's always like that. Now you can't unsee it. 01:13:46.980 --> 01:13:47.220 Yeah. 01:13:53.220 --> 01:13:56.500 We got five gifts from hispanica. Thank you five dollar super chat saying did they remove 01:13:56.500 --> 01:14:01.620 leeway. I actually don't know if they removed leeway. It almost feels like they did, but I don't know. 01:14:03.300 --> 01:14:06.500 Okay, Piero, thanks for the tier one. How much do you think they're trying to get completely new 01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:12.820 players to wow versus only getting, I would assume, all of the above? Forever fangs? Yeah, 01:14:12.820 --> 01:14:17.140 only fangs three will be in a while forever, pretty much surely. Jack, thanks for the tip. He says, 01:14:17.140 --> 01:14:20.900 people forgetting to talk about the new boats and sepulons in new locations. Yeah, we just talked 01:14:20.900 --> 01:14:28.300 talked about it. Ability through boats, it's awesome, very good. Shu Fan says, do you think 01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:32.660 they put more attention to hybrid classes for redesign than peer classes? What results 01:14:32.660 --> 01:14:39.300 into everyone playing hybrids? No, I think they're putting more attention in the hybrids 01:14:39.300 --> 01:14:45.580 because they needed it. Not that they're putting more attention in the hybrids, just in general. 01:14:45.580 --> 01:14:49.140 They're putting more attention in the hybrids because those were the classes that needed 01:14:49.140 --> 01:15:00.980 more love. So Blizzard slow went from 75 to 54 and the duration went from 4.5 to 2. Interesting. 01:15:00.980 --> 01:15:05.380 You probably still AOE grind with that unless there's something else I'm missing. I need to 01:15:05.380 --> 01:15:10.940 understand the AOE stuff more. What do you think about the logos color? Don't mind it. 01:15:10.940 --> 01:15:17.940 Shared mob tags, no. New class possibility, hopefully not for like a long time. 01:15:17.940 --> 01:15:25.940 Achievements, there's no achievements, there's legacy system which is like kinda similar. 01:15:25.940 --> 01:15:29.940 Did they update name plate distance from classic? Yeah, it's 40 yards now. 01:15:29.940 --> 01:15:32.940 40 yard name plate distance. 01:15:32.940 --> 01:15:39.940 I just think overall it's a win. I can see like some pushback there but I think overall it's fine. 01:15:39.940 --> 01:15:46.940 What do you think of a horizontal prog it's amazing. 01:15:46.940 --> 01:15:54.940 It's amazing. 01:15:54.940 --> 01:15:58.900 Yeah we saw now that the NDA is up is there anything you know that wasn't revealed at 01:15:58.900 --> 01:16:00.140 BlizzCon. 01:16:00.140 --> 01:16:02.260 Pretty much everything I know is out. 01:16:02.260 --> 01:16:07.260 There might be some small details that we'll be learning in like the next couple of days 01:16:07.260 --> 01:16:14.140 through interviews, um, but yeah, 99% and there's a lot of stuff that I didn't know 01:16:14.140 --> 01:16:19.420 that was released at BlizzCon. Okay, I have a quick bone to pick with you guys. Actually, 01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:24.060 yeah, even my, even my YouTube editor, I think, uh, this one wrong. So you guys and my YouTube 01:16:24.060 --> 01:16:32.780 editor, uh, anyway, I'll talk, talk to him later. Guys, on the announcement, there's so much that 01:16:32.780 --> 01:16:37.840 I didn't know that I was freaking out for two reasons one. I'm freaking out 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:43.000 Because it's actually announced and I can talk and say stuff, but two 01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:48.920 Half this stuff. I didn't know yet like the name. I never saw the trailer. That's my first time seeing it 01:16:49.120 --> 01:16:53.560 So I was cringing so hard when people in the chat were like 01:16:54.360 --> 01:16:56.360 acting 01:16:57.320 --> 01:17:03.520 What kind of like bro, I've yeah definite bone pick what are you guys talking about? I haven't seen the trailer 01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:05.600 I don't know the name. There's so much stuff. I like what do you? 01:17:07.040 --> 01:17:11.640 Cringe I was cringing. I was like guys. How is this even a take unbelievable? 01:17:12.200 --> 01:17:14.200 So that's my bone pig with you guys 01:17:15.160 --> 01:17:17.160 Very very troll very troll 01:17:18.080 --> 01:17:20.560 All right rant over actually my YouTube editor 01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.320 one of the videos you put out the title was 01:17:24.320 --> 01:17:29.320 Zaryu gets his Emmy, or gets his Grammy. 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:34.360 Might have to change that YouTube title. 01:17:34.360 --> 01:17:36.960 A complete troll on my YouTube editor too. 01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:38.920 It's like, what? 01:17:40.440 --> 01:17:41.840 Or is it Emmy? 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:42.680 Oscar? 01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:43.520 Oh, it's Oscar. 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:44.880 Zaryu collects his Oscar. 01:17:44.880 --> 01:17:46.640 Whatever the title was, I don't know. 01:17:46.640 --> 01:17:51.120 I was like, you guys think I need to act for the first time? 01:17:51.120 --> 01:17:52.880 I'm seeing this stuff live on stage. 01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:54.040 Are you kidding me? 01:17:54.040 --> 01:17:56.180 I thought it was funny. Oh, Taylor's in the chat. Taylor. 01:17:57.380 --> 01:17:58.100 Unbelievable. 01:17:59.140 --> 01:18:02.380 Taylor's in the chat. Unbelievable. I saw that. I was like, 01:18:03.180 --> 01:18:05.100 I don't need to act. I'm so excited. 01:18:07.580 --> 01:18:08.420 Goodness gracious. 01:18:13.900 --> 01:18:15.740 Anyway, rant over, 01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:19.660 but I was cringing pretty hard at those comments. So I will say that. 01:18:20.340 --> 01:18:24.020 I will say that like I'm not going to be excited on the announcement. 01:18:24.040 --> 01:18:26.640 Are you okay now rant over? 01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.100 Okay, classic UI is trash, I love it bro 01:18:38.560 --> 01:18:41.960 What are your thoughts on a week after four monsters I 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:49.000 Want to read about the specifics is there an article that covers the specifics here 01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:51.800 Manitics. Yeah, I already have that on what I don't like 01:18:54.040 --> 01:19:01.920 I might change barber instead of worse if you can change genderpeter to seracuts instead of 01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:06.480 I don't know maybe I'll keep it there. I maybe it may be indifferent towards this one 01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:21.420 Consecration a we deal same much more than four targets only max damage to the first four the rest will get hit for less damage 01:19:24.040 --> 01:19:36.400 So, for Blizzard, for Arcane Explosion, for Kona Cold, you can basically still hit four 01:19:36.400 --> 01:19:42.360 targets with full damage, but anything beyond four will be lower. 01:19:42.360 --> 01:19:44.400 How much lower? 01:19:44.400 --> 01:19:46.400 Eight? 01:19:46.400 --> 01:19:49.200 Wait, what do you mean, eight? 01:19:49.200 --> 01:19:50.400 I thought it was four. 01:19:50.400 --> 01:19:52.280 Like I said, I want to read about it. 01:19:52.280 --> 01:19:56.900 I want to read the specifics, because the specifics matter. 01:19:56.900 --> 01:20:01.800 Wait, it's only 10% less or 10% of the original damage. 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.040 So it's 19. 01:20:10.040 --> 01:20:13.280 Wait, 10% of original. 01:20:13.280 --> 01:20:16.840 OK, I'm really trying to form my opinion here 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:19.320 from an unbiased perspective. 01:20:19.320 --> 01:20:21.360 The reason I'm trying to think about this one 01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:25.920 is because I'm a mage main, so obviously I'm biased, right? 01:20:25.920 --> 01:20:30.920 I also leveled in 2000 and five or six by AOE grinding, 01:20:32.660 --> 01:20:35.400 and so that was a core part of my classic experience 01:20:35.400 --> 01:20:36.240 back in the day. 01:20:37.400 --> 01:20:39.880 I thought it was really cool, but I have to admit, 01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:43.680 it's come a long way, and gold farmers and botting 01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:46.800 and boosting is all from like major AOE grinding, 01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:48.720 and like I get that it is kind of OP, 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:50.720 but it is also a core way that mages 01:20:50.720 --> 01:20:53.240 have played the game since the start of time. 01:20:53.240 --> 01:20:55.320 So I'm like, I'm kind of torn on it a little bit, 01:20:55.320 --> 01:20:56.620 to be honest with you guys. 01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:06.440 New boats, I love. 01:21:09.200 --> 01:21:12.440 Thoughts on the leveling pace, it's the same as far as I know. 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:18.020 Bro Mage is not capped, it's only a Pally, I don't know. 01:21:18.020 --> 01:21:19.320 Not from what I'm hearing. 01:21:19.320 --> 01:21:21.400 Like I said, I would love to read about the specifics. 01:21:21.400 --> 01:21:23.400 I would love to read about it. 01:21:23.400 --> 01:21:26.240 Arcane Blast doesn't belong in classic. 01:21:26.240 --> 01:21:27.920 I like Arcane Blast. 01:21:29.720 --> 01:21:34.120 RBG News don't think there's any type of ratings. 01:21:34.120 --> 01:21:37.120 As far as I know about PvP, this is the philosophy. 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:42.520 Ratings automatically make the game not feel like classic 01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.760 because once you have anything with a rating associated, 01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:47.440 it becomes way more sweaty 01:21:47.440 --> 01:21:49.920 and way more focused on just grinding a rating system 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:52.280 and less about interacting with the world 01:21:52.280 --> 01:21:53.840 as the primary character, 01:21:53.840 --> 01:21:56.680 interacting with other players out in that world 01:21:56.680 --> 01:21:59.800 and leaving the town to go and do something. 01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:01.120 Once you add a rating system, 01:22:01.120 --> 01:22:03.520 people are stuck to towns queuing it all day. 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:09.560 So yeah, as far as I know, no arenas, no RBGs, 01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:11.960 no rating at all in anything. 01:22:11.960 --> 01:22:15.000 Casual, like classic, wow. 01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:16.800 And I think they want to keep it that way. 01:22:17.440 --> 01:22:21.720 Very the chat is very split on this one. I see mainly Ws 01:22:21.720 --> 01:22:25.200 I see a lot of Ellis as well might be like a 5050 split. I 01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:27.880 Don't even know 01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:34.760 We need a dual arena, I want the dual arena the Makara arena 01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.520 I want reasons to go out in the world and PvP world PvP events 01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:44.120 I want reasons to like PvP, but I don't want reasons to just sit in a city in queue. So I 01:22:44.120 --> 01:22:49.120 I've been saying that for like a year. 01:22:49.120 --> 01:22:50.120 Mudkit, thanks for the prime. 01:22:50.120 --> 01:22:52.280 Alex says, do you think Wrath annuals will happen? 01:22:52.280 --> 01:22:54.120 I think it probably will. 01:22:54.120 --> 01:23:01.460 I'm curious on the timeline though, if WoW forever drops in November and Wrath drops 01:23:01.460 --> 01:23:09.240 in January or February or March or April, like the timeline is going to be so weird. 01:23:09.240 --> 01:23:10.240 It should not happen. 01:23:10.240 --> 01:23:11.240 I don't know. 01:23:11.240 --> 01:23:13.240 I literally don't know what they're going to do. 01:23:13.240 --> 01:23:20.720 I actually asked Blizzard because I was like, uh, guys, uh, you never told us about, uh, what's happening. And they said 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:23.600 We'll find out soon 01:23:24.440 --> 01:23:26.440 So that's what I know 01:23:31.280 --> 01:23:33.640 What about GDPs, I don't know about GDPs 01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:41.440 On the roadmap it says PVP season refresh in the spring, what do you think that means? 01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:46.440 essentially, we'll learn more about it. 01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:50.000 The system essentially is gonna be like, 01:23:52.280 --> 01:23:53.880 trying to think like how to say this, 01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:55.800 like I hinted at it earlier. 01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:01.720 You'll grind your ranking, which is not rating. 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:03.920 There's a difference between ranking and rating. 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.080 Ranking is time spent equals progression. 01:24:08.080 --> 01:24:11.640 That is classic design philosophy at its core. 01:24:13.400 --> 01:24:15.360 Retail philosophy is not that. 01:24:15.360 --> 01:24:20.360 Retail is skill equals rating equals go up in rating, right? 01:24:21.680 --> 01:24:24.160 Classic WoW is fundamentally not that. 01:24:24.160 --> 01:24:29.160 Classic WoW is fundamentally time spent equals preparation 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:32.320 equals progress. 01:24:32.320 --> 01:24:33.720 That's classic philosophy. 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.680 So they're going with a classic philosophy on this one 01:24:36.680 --> 01:24:41.680 and doing some type of seasons with that, okay? 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:49.560 Time is money, friend. 01:24:49.560 --> 01:24:51.740 Yeah, that's always how Classic WoW has been. 01:24:51.740 --> 01:24:53.400 If you spend a lot of time, 01:24:53.400 --> 01:24:55.960 you can prepare and expect to do well. 01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:59.080 That is Classic WoW philosophy at its core. 01:24:59.080 --> 01:25:01.960 Preparation equals performance. 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:06.660 L for people saying L 01:25:10.100 --> 01:25:15.680 This might not be your game, but there's another game for you. It's called a retail 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:33.320 bro speaking of like looking in the mic like this you know how you know Tyler 01:25:33.320 --> 01:25:37.800 one does this thing on stream where he's like yeah I kind of like gets in your 01:25:37.800 --> 01:25:42.360 face and like like like look does this and like yells at the mic I thought it 01:25:42.360 --> 01:25:49.420 was like a bit that he did on stream but I was talking to Tyler one and he did the same 01:25:49.420 --> 01:25:54.340 thing to me IRL where he got in my face and like looked me in the eyes like this close 01:25:54.340 --> 01:26:03.300 like IRL not even on stream I was like bro this is not a bit he actually does that I was 01:26:03.300 --> 01:26:12.120 dying bro oh my gosh yeah he's a legend bro oh he's a legend I was like okay that is 01:26:12.120 --> 01:26:18.440 actually legendary. Bro, I need to chill on talking my voice. Bro, I lost my voice. 01:26:18.440 --> 01:26:25.080 I was doing fine until I went to the Hilton and on that last night and I was just, the 01:26:25.080 --> 01:26:35.520 music was so loud. I don't know why they put the music that loud, bro. 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:41.440 But yeah, let me let me just reiterate what I was just saying. There are certain design 01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:52.800 philosophy that's based on classic WoW and I think there's a really big point to this 01:26:52.800 --> 01:27:03.000 game can't make everyone happy. It can't. But it can make a lot of people very happy, 01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:08.120 but it can't make everyone happy. And if you're the guy that wants complex rotations, like 01:27:08.120 --> 01:27:10.760 Like I talked to Max and I said, Max, are you going to play? 01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:15.040 And he goes, well, I really like the complexity of the rotations and retail. 01:27:15.040 --> 01:27:18.040 And you know what Max said? 01:27:18.040 --> 01:27:22.520 So I'll probably stick to retail because they have what I want. 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:25.760 It's a great take from Max. 01:27:25.760 --> 01:27:29.520 It doesn't need to have everything that pleases everyone. 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:35.280 If you want rating systems instead of ranking, if you want the whole like, oh, time spent 01:27:35.280 --> 01:27:41.600 thing to respect your time, like then go play retail because it exists. But turning this into 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:46.800 the modernity that we already have and the modernity that we're trying to avoid 01:27:46.800 --> 01:27:52.720 is the biggest possible mistake, right? That's the biggest possible thing that we need to avoid. 01:27:53.760 --> 01:28:00.880 So, so, so just to reiterate, like, if there's things that, like, that you want from retail like 01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:05.000 that, that are just gonna break the entire fabric of why we're doing this in the first 01:28:05.000 --> 01:28:07.760 place, then go play retail, because it already exists. 01:28:07.760 --> 01:28:12.040 Like, I just want to be very clear about this, okay? 01:28:12.040 --> 01:28:13.040 Very clear. 01:28:13.040 --> 01:28:37.980 I don't know, I'm worried about shop mounts. 01:28:37.980 --> 01:28:39.440 Shop mounts would suck. 01:28:39.440 --> 01:28:42.940 I would not like that. 01:28:42.940 --> 01:28:49.620 What we do know is there's no WoW token and no boosts, and to me those are the biggest 01:28:49.620 --> 01:28:55.260 two, because what these are are character power. 01:28:55.260 --> 01:29:00.160 Character power in a shop is the worst possible thing. 01:29:00.160 --> 01:29:03.940 Cosmetics in a shop, I think still kind of suck, but they're way better than character 01:29:03.940 --> 01:29:05.060 power. 01:29:05.060 --> 01:29:11.220 Selling cosmetics to me is much lower on my list of what bugs me, selling character power 01:29:11.220 --> 01:29:12.580 much higher. 01:29:12.580 --> 01:29:16.020 So selling character power is out, which is great. 01:29:16.020 --> 01:29:22.220 I don't know if they're doing mounts, if they do, I don't like it, but at least it's not 01:29:22.220 --> 01:29:35.620 character power. 01:29:35.620 --> 01:29:36.820 Am I going to play the beta? 01:29:36.820 --> 01:29:38.180 uh no i'll probably skip it 01:29:42.500 --> 01:29:43.940 dude obviously i'm playing the beta 01:29:49.140 --> 01:29:50.180 oh my gosh 01:29:55.780 --> 01:29:56.980 oh my goodness 01:30:03.380 --> 01:30:04.340 okay um 01:30:04.340 --> 01:30:06.820 Um, what else? 01:30:08.820 --> 01:30:09.260 What else? 01:30:09.260 --> 01:30:09.780 What else? 01:30:10.260 --> 01:30:10.460 Wow. 01:30:10.460 --> 01:30:11.740 Forever talents.com. 01:30:11.780 --> 01:30:12.900 Dude, this website is sick. 01:30:12.900 --> 01:30:14.660 How did someone build this so fast? 01:30:15.620 --> 01:30:18.020 Like actually, how did someone build this this fast? 01:30:19.120 --> 01:30:22.800 Uh, guys, do you want cookies or no to list hot builds? 01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.660 We save public talents, links, people open and cookies. 01:30:25.660 --> 01:30:26.820 We don't count the same visit. 01:30:27.260 --> 01:30:28.580 The calculator works either way. 01:30:28.740 --> 01:30:29.540 Take private building. 01:30:29.540 --> 01:30:30.620 That link is never saved. 01:30:34.340 --> 01:30:42.860 It's an AI website is how they did it so fast like that is crazy 01:30:42.860 --> 01:30:46.420 This is my first full this kind of favorite memories watching the announcement a while 01:30:46.420 --> 01:30:49.180 forever and hearing someone screaming to the right of me. 01:30:49.180 --> 01:30:57.820 I thought to myself man that person is really excited then I realized it was you. 01:30:57.820 --> 01:30:58.980 I was very excited. 01:30:58.980 --> 01:31:00.740 Ha, ha, ha, ha. 01:31:01.660 --> 01:31:02.680 Bro. 01:31:02.680 --> 01:31:05.880 Ha, ha, that's actually good. 01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.040 I might have been, yeah, I might have been 01:31:08.040 --> 01:31:09.520 the most excited one there. 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:10.640 I don't know. 01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:11.540 I was so excited. 01:31:11.540 --> 01:31:13.080 I think for me, I was even more excited 01:31:13.080 --> 01:31:14.740 because there is some stuff I knew 01:31:14.740 --> 01:31:17.400 and it's like I couldn't wait to like 01:31:17.400 --> 01:31:19.720 be able to like say stuff and like talk about it. 01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:21.920 And it's like just killing me for like months. 01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:24.560 So I might have been the most excited one there. 01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:26.080 Got a massive SuperShap from Tru. 01:31:26.080 --> 01:31:26.920 Thank you, he says that. 01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:30.800 To level 38, you play to feel the same power level as a classic 38. 01:31:30.800 --> 01:31:32.400 The stats on some items seem high. 01:31:32.400 --> 01:31:33.800 The stats on some items seem high. 01:31:33.800 --> 01:31:35.080 I'm a little concerned about it. 01:31:35.080 --> 01:31:40.960 But I actually did tell Blizzard to keep an eye on the itemization 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:45.440 and the power creep from that itemization at such a low level, 01:31:45.440 --> 01:31:46.880 because it can be concerning. 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.080 So they're on top of it. 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:54.640 Fabulous, thanks to the Prime. 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:55.360 Al, thanks to the Prime. 01:31:55.360 --> 01:31:56.280 Ricky, thanks to the 2-1. 01:31:56.280 --> 01:31:59.000 How does horizontal progression work in the long term? 01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:00.840 Will new items just cause power creep? 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:02.320 The way horizontal progression works 01:32:02.320 --> 01:32:04.440 is mainly through like set bonuses. 01:32:04.440 --> 01:32:07.360 So when new content comes out, there's set bonuses. 01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.280 I mean, there's multiple ways you can do it, 01:32:10.280 --> 01:32:12.360 but one of the big ways you can do it is set bonuses. 01:32:12.360 --> 01:32:13.880 So when new content comes out, 01:32:13.880 --> 01:32:16.080 there's set bonuses that make that set bonus 01:32:16.080 --> 01:32:18.240 very good for the current content. 01:32:18.240 --> 01:32:20.840 But when content after that comes out, 01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.560 there might be new, like there might be gear 01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:25.200 with a similar amount of stats, 01:32:25.200 --> 01:32:28.720 So the set bonuses make way more sense in that specific raid. 01:32:28.720 --> 01:32:32.560 So you want the new gear for that new raid, but if you were to go back to the old raid, 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:34.040 you still want your old gear. 01:32:34.040 --> 01:32:38.560 In other words, you're not just getting stronger every tier, but you're getting specific strength 01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:40.040 for that tier. 01:32:40.040 --> 01:32:42.280 So that's one way to do it. 01:32:42.280 --> 01:32:46.600 Another way to do it is with Season of Discovery, they had like sanctified gear for certain 01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:47.600 raids. 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:49.360 That gear just made you stronger in that raid. 01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:52.320 That's another way you can do it. 01:32:52.320 --> 01:32:54.800 Resistances is another way they can do it, which I don't like that way as much. 01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:56.520 Oh, you need this amount of resistance. 01:32:56.520 --> 01:33:00.600 So this is the good gear with that resistance type, which I don't really enjoy as much. 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.360 So I think set bonuses are probably like one of the better ways to do it. 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:11.120 The big problem with that, if you're paying attention is after a long time, 01:33:11.160 --> 01:33:15.520 you're going to have like so many items that you're going to need to store them 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:17.560 all and the banks are small right now. 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:22.600 So if they go with a system where you truly want to save a lot of your gear 01:33:22.600 --> 01:33:25.240 Over time, what's gonna need to happen 01:33:25.240 --> 01:33:28.120 is a much, much, much, much, much larger bank. 01:33:28.120 --> 01:33:32.200 Like, not even double or triple, like 10X or something. 01:33:32.200 --> 01:33:34.720 Like it's gonna, you need like a massive bank, 01:33:34.720 --> 01:33:36.800 bigger bags, like we're gonna need more storage 01:33:36.800 --> 01:33:38.860 if that is truly what they're doing. 01:33:38.860 --> 01:33:57.940 If you're curious about horizontal progression means to check out Guild Wars 2 Endgame System, 01:33:57.940 --> 01:33:59.780 the Master of the Horizontal thing, it's very fun. 01:33:59.780 --> 01:34:02.980 I actually haven't played Guild Wars 2, but I would be curious to learn more about like 01:34:02.980 --> 01:34:04.940 the specifics. 01:34:04.940 --> 01:34:10.060 But I have played other games with horizontal progression like Runescape or Sod, and some 01:34:10.060 --> 01:34:12.820 things are more successful than others, like there's a lot, there's not just one way to 01:34:12.820 --> 01:34:13.820 do it. 01:34:13.820 --> 01:34:18.820 Plyly, thanks for the prime. 01:34:18.820 --> 01:34:36.860 Oh man, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, there's so many things to shout about when it comes to 01:34:36.860 --> 01:34:42.900 these trees. 01:34:42.900 --> 01:34:46.460 I guess we can go, we can go over Mage since I played Mage first. 01:34:46.460 --> 01:34:49.900 I play Mage, Rogue, Priest, Pali, Warrior the most. 01:34:49.900 --> 01:34:53.060 I don't play as much true with Locke, Hunter, Shaman. 01:34:53.060 --> 01:34:55.060 But I played a lot of Mage, Priest, Rogue, Pali, Warrior, 01:34:55.060 --> 01:34:58.340 so I can cover those like really, probably really in depth, 01:34:58.340 --> 01:34:59.740 or at least more in depth. 01:35:00.980 --> 01:35:02.460 Any opinion on Water Ellie? 01:35:02.460 --> 01:35:03.700 I don't like Water Ellie. 01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:06.660 Imperial, thanks for the super chat, man. 01:35:06.660 --> 01:35:08.940 Raps says, I don't know, we got that one. 01:35:08.940 --> 01:35:10.420 It was great seeing you at BlizzCon. 01:35:10.420 --> 01:35:12.020 Yeah, well thanks for saying hi, man. 01:35:12.020 --> 01:35:17.020 I cannot believe at how many people said hi this weekend. 01:35:17.360 --> 01:35:19.340 I actually cannot believe it. 01:35:19.340 --> 01:35:21.160 It was ridiculous, man. 01:35:24.000 --> 01:35:25.700 Well, forever kill TBC. 01:35:29.200 --> 01:35:33.000 If it doesn't, then we have a problem. 01:35:35.380 --> 01:35:40.380 If forever doesn't kill Classic WoW, then it failed. 01:35:42.020 --> 01:35:54.780 It should and if it doesn't, that is not good. 01:35:54.780 --> 01:35:56.500 It already did. 01:35:56.500 --> 01:36:03.580 How many people have guilds in TBC that are fully shifting to forever now? 01:36:03.580 --> 01:36:06.060 Is that happening as we speak? 01:36:06.060 --> 01:36:08.700 Me, me, me, it already has. 01:36:08.700 --> 01:36:10.740 Me, me, me, me on here. 01:36:10.740 --> 01:36:11.740 Yeah. 01:36:11.740 --> 01:36:18.340 So, TBC is already taking a hit because of the November 4th timeline. 01:36:18.340 --> 01:36:21.140 Oh, I guess we can talk timeline for a second. 01:36:24.940 --> 01:36:26.340 November 4th. 01:36:37.340 --> 01:36:38.540 Kind of works. 01:36:39.340 --> 01:36:40.540 Kind of works, I guess. 01:36:41.740 --> 01:36:47.880 That's a little, I was thinking they would maybe shadow drop it, but shadow dropping 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:53.160 beta does make sense and then November 4th, yeah I mean that makes sense, yeah that makes 01:36:53.160 --> 01:36:54.240 sense. 01:36:54.240 --> 01:36:58.440 I was thinking they would maybe wait till after Wrath too, I'm curious where the whole 01:36:58.440 --> 01:37:02.560 Wrath situation, maybe they don't launch Wrath, maybe they don't do Wrath, maybe they just 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:07.000 say GGs we're focusing on this now, I don't know, well no soon is what they said, well 01:37:07.000 --> 01:37:22.400 no soon. Is this the forever road map here? Okay, it's actually good to look at real quick. 01:37:22.400 --> 01:37:33.480 So play up to level 30 happens. September 17 to the 22 of October. Early name reservation. 01:37:33.480 --> 01:37:36.480 Oh, wait, so the beta ends October 22nd? 01:37:41.480 --> 01:37:44.480 Hmm, what are we going to do for like two weeks here? 01:37:45.480 --> 01:37:47.480 Goodness gracious, what are we going to do? 01:37:48.480 --> 01:37:50.480 That is going to be a rough two weeks. 01:37:51.480 --> 01:37:52.480 Oh, Warcraft 3. 01:37:52.480 --> 01:37:55.480 Okay, maybe I'll plan to play Warcraft 3 in this time. 01:37:56.480 --> 01:37:58.480 Yeah, that's what I was actually thinking. 01:37:58.480 --> 01:38:05.280 actually thinking okay so warcraft 3 has a new um what is it called a new uh 01:38:07.040 --> 01:38:13.440 mission new mission new campaign new campaign um i want to play really bad but i don't think 01:38:13.440 --> 01:38:17.440 we're gonna have time to play it like today tomorrow and then of course not thursday so i'll 01:38:17.440 --> 01:38:24.480 play it that this week i'll play this yeah i'll play it if the beta ends the 22nd i'll play it 01:38:24.480 --> 01:38:30.840 like this. Hopefully I can play through it in one week. There's no old graphics on the 01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:42.200 new campaign. Oh really? I want to play no matter what though. It's 30 hours. Okay, so 01:38:42.200 --> 01:38:47.840 I can easily do it. Probably just in like a couple days. Are we going to be locked 01:38:47.840 --> 01:38:58.700 either Alliance or Horde and PvP rule sets. I asked Blizzard, he said they're gonna answer 01:38:58.700 --> 01:39:12.860 that on a Q&A soon, essentially. So, I think that's what's happened. I would assume he 01:39:12.860 --> 01:39:17.020 you would be able to, but like I said, I don't know the answer to that. 01:39:17.020 --> 01:39:23.260 Since there's no realms, why could you, like, why would they lock you to one faction per 01:39:23.260 --> 01:39:24.880 account? 01:39:24.880 --> 01:39:29.540 Why could you only make Alliance PV, like, I'm sure you could make both. 01:39:29.540 --> 01:39:30.540 I'm sure. 01:39:30.540 --> 01:39:34.480 I'd like, don't, don't quote me on that, but like, it would make no sense if it was one 01:39:34.480 --> 01:39:35.980 faction per account. 01:39:35.980 --> 01:39:51.540 would be so weird. I'm gonna play PvP realm. PvP ruleset rather. I'm gonna make an undead 01:39:51.540 --> 01:39:56.260 Paladin alt. Maybe on that one I'll do PvE. But on my mage, I'm gonna do mage first of 01:39:56.260 --> 01:40:04.340 course. That'll be on PvP. Bro, I was gonna make a Skyborn mage because I just love elves 01:40:04.340 --> 01:40:08.560 And I think they look sick, but the gnome racial is so good. 01:40:09.260 --> 01:40:11.800 Eureka and I already like gnomes, too. 01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:15.260 And I always play a nomage that I feel like I should just go gnome. 01:40:17.060 --> 01:40:19.400 I feel like I have to go gnome. 01:40:30.340 --> 01:40:32.600 I grandposted there's going to be a Q&A on Thursday. 01:40:32.600 --> 01:40:33.760 Cool. All watch. 01:40:33.760 --> 01:40:38.080 I don't know if it's going to be live or if it's going to, if it's live, I'll definitely watch that. 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:50.280 No more. 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:52.960 All right, I'll just keep reading this. 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.720 Early name reservation and character creation is October 27th. 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:00.160 Okay. 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:02.320 So the beta ends the 22nd. 01:41:02.320 --> 01:41:06.220 The 27th will get names and in the fourth will be launch 01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:09.720 Raids unlock will be December 9th 01:41:12.040 --> 01:41:13.760 Okay 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:21.080 That's borrow deeps hyzol in a nixia. Oh, we're starting with hyzol. Are you kidding me? That's sick 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:22.960 What? 01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:25.800 Okay, so I guys I was at BlizzCon 01:41:26.400 --> 01:41:28.400 Okay, okay. I haven't said this 01:41:28.400 --> 01:41:37.240 I mean, this isn't like big news, but I was at BlizzCon, um, two things, one, I was so 01:41:37.240 --> 01:41:40.240 busy that I did not get to actually see BlizzCon. 01:41:40.240 --> 01:41:42.740 I never walked around the event and like saw anything. 01:41:42.740 --> 01:41:44.180 I was just live the entire time. 01:41:44.180 --> 01:41:46.160 So, so there's that. 01:41:46.160 --> 01:41:50.160 The second thing is it is really hard. 01:41:50.160 --> 01:41:55.760 It like this weekend to understand what was actually being announced when I'm sitting 01:41:55.760 --> 01:42:06.160 there and the the the event in the crowd are so loud because everyone's cheering and clapping 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:11.520 that like I couldn't like hear what was being announced properly so there's what I'm trying 01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:18.240 to say is like there's a lot of stuff that I need to react to and rewatch because when I was there 01:42:18.240 --> 01:42:25.440 I literally I was like I was on the AWC stage or like right next to the AWC stage and there was a 01:42:25.440 --> 01:42:30.560 MDI behind me the MDI was right there and everyone's screaming which is awesome 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:35.320 But there's a panel going on and I can't hear anything and all of you guys in the chat were like 01:42:36.080 --> 01:42:39.480 Cool, that's exciting and I was like I didn't hear any of that 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:42.880 But I didn't say that at the time because I was trying my best 01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:47.160 But like I guys I didn't hear any of I didn't hear half of this stuff because I was literally honest 01:42:47.160 --> 01:42:52.000 I didn't hear at all is that MDI was right behind me and everyone's screaming so I'll have to rewatch some of it 01:42:55.440 --> 01:42:58.400 Oh, and there was the first panel I missed. 01:43:00.080 --> 01:43:02.080 The first panel I missed. 01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:07.680 Lol, I thought you were kind of quiet during the panels. 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:09.840 Yeah, it was hard to react to the panel. 01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:13.040 So what I did during the panels, guys, is I just muted my mic. 01:43:15.040 --> 01:43:20.960 Because if I didn't, all you would hear is the MDI crowd sharing. 01:43:20.960 --> 01:43:25.820 Like if I didn't mute my mic all you guys would like you wouldn't even have heard anything 01:43:26.660 --> 01:43:33.080 So I just muted my mic and kind of try my best to listen anyway because people were like what's wrong with czar 01:43:33.080 --> 01:43:35.380 I'm like dude. It is loud right now 01:43:42.380 --> 01:43:47.620 Watch the first panel right now. Yeah, I would love to is there a link for that. I'm sure it's on the Warcraft YouTube 01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:52.960 I 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:01.800 Crap which one was the first one the creator showcase. Oh 01:44:03.160 --> 01:44:05.160 Nice, okay 01:44:06.760 --> 01:44:12.580 Reforged midnight. What's next is it this one? No, I watched this one 01:44:12.580 --> 01:44:14.580 Hmm 01:44:18.100 --> 01:44:25.700 Is it this one this one I didn't see this one. Well, I actually saw the second half that's the one yeah, I 01:44:28.620 --> 01:44:33.780 Actually only saw the second half of this so this will this is this will actually be really really really good to watch 01:44:34.460 --> 01:44:38.520 World of Warcraft what's next panel one? Okay, so the reason I didn't watch this 01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:46.360 um live when I was there is because this happened right after they announced the game and 01:44:46.860 --> 01:44:51.560 Like literally right after and the game was unlocked for us to play 01:44:51.560 --> 01:44:57.120 So I was like should I watch this or play the game and I asked you guys and everyone is like just play the game 01:44:57.120 --> 01:44:59.120 Bro, so I just play the game 01:45:01.200 --> 01:45:06.440 So to watch it yeah, I just I just started playing bro. I was like I can't I can't hold back 01:45:06.440 --> 01:45:11.600 Anyway, so that's why I haven't seen this yet, so let's watch it. It's 47 minutes, 01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:15.880 probably a lot of info in here that I haven't seen yet. I think I saw the last 01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:19.000 like five minutes or something, but besides that I haven't seen it. Let's check it out. 01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:24.320 Join the World of Warcraft team for a first look at the next chapter of Azorah. 01:45:24.320 --> 01:45:35.920 Hello again, Longtime No See. It is amazing to be up here, actually able to at last talk about 01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:39.460 what's somehow both the best kept and worst kept secret of the summer? 01:45:41.080 --> 01:45:46.360 Shout out the classic while subreddit. No, it's not too late to start. We're the Warcraft forever. True 01:45:47.520 --> 01:45:52.560 Bro, one of the things is on these stages. It is so hard to talk. I 01:45:53.640 --> 01:45:56.040 Actually didn't realize when you're on stage trying to talk 01:45:57.080 --> 01:46:00.840 It's so weird because you're you can't hear anything like that 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:03.400 Everything is so loud that you like can't hear yourself talk 01:46:03.400 --> 01:46:08.060 And when someone asks you a question, you can't hear them ask the question either the crowd can hear you 01:46:08.060 --> 01:46:11.620 But you can't hear you and you can't hear anyone else. It's really weird 01:46:11.620 --> 01:46:16.540 It's like so I was up there and I asked me a question and I was like I can't hear what you said 01:46:16.540 --> 01:46:23.760 So I just I just said something else hopefully it made sense and then I couldn't hear what I was it was very hard to talk very hard to talk 01:46:25.280 --> 01:46:33.180 This is a story that really began nine years ago in these halls when we announced wow classic to the world 01:46:33.400 --> 01:46:38.180 And then a couple of years after that, of course, we welcomed you in to dive back into 01:46:38.180 --> 01:46:42.840 Azeroth to experience it as it was in the beginning. 01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:47.240 And millions came in and settled in and began tackling Nixia and Ragnaros, leveling up 01:46:47.240 --> 01:46:50.320 to 60, really re-experiencing that journey. 01:46:50.320 --> 01:46:55.520 But the conversations naturally started to emerge around what would come next. 01:46:55.520 --> 01:46:58.320 And those conversations grew louder. 01:46:58.320 --> 01:47:02.680 Many people, of course, hoped to continue on into the Burning Crusade and a chance to 01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:06.360 to go back through the Dark Portal and show Illidan just how prepared we've all become 01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:13.560 after 20 years, the min-maxing next level, and of course that is what came to pass. 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:19.880 But there was another group, even back then, in 2020 or so, a group of dreamers, people 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:25.400 for whom the vanilla game was just about the perfect MMO, if not for already being solved 01:47:25.400 --> 01:47:27.000 and already being experienced. 01:47:27.000 --> 01:47:32.000 They didn't want to leave behind that world grounded in the immediate aftermath of Warcraft 01:47:32.000 --> 01:47:35.000 three and begin a journey forward through the timeline. 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:39.320 They didn't want to replace their hard one rate epics with greens from Zangarmarsh. 01:47:40.080 --> 01:47:43.040 They didn't want to go from the sprawling advance of Eastern kingdoms and 01:47:43.040 --> 01:47:47.200 Kalimdor to an Outland that you could fly across in just a few minutes on an 01:47:47.200 --> 01:47:47.720 epic mount. 01:47:48.120 --> 01:47:54.000 Like this is what we say as good as TBC was, it's like, it also just like, 01:47:54.400 --> 01:47:56.560 just like fragmented the world. 01:47:56.600 --> 01:47:58.040 You're just flying everywhere. 01:47:58.120 --> 01:47:59.440 You leave the old world behind. 01:47:59.440 --> 01:48:01.160 You replace all your insane items. 01:48:01.160 --> 01:48:10.160 Like, if you had full tier 2.5 Thunder Fury, like, like, Prop Paladin, Gigachat, hard earned, by yourself, with no handouts, like... 01:48:10.160 --> 01:48:18.160 Now, all of that is just completely gone, and you start over, you know, obviously, TVC's amazing, but yeah, that's exactly right. 01:48:19.160 --> 01:48:22.160 What if we could stay at level 60, they asked. 01:48:22.160 --> 01:48:28.160 And so did we. What if we could build some new content and tell new stories in that immersive world? 01:48:28.160 --> 01:48:32.960 And what if we could make mean specs even just a tiny bit viable? 01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:36.600 Paladin's talking to you here. 01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:41.280 But this was 2020, and the reality is that the team that we had at the time, the development 01:48:41.280 --> 01:48:45.440 pipeline that we had at the time, were something that had been purpose-built to restore and 01:48:45.440 --> 01:48:51.480 curate an old version of the game, not to add to it, not to build new things. 01:48:51.480 --> 01:48:54.560 And so for a time, that dream stayed a dream. 01:48:54.560 --> 01:49:00.580 But that ember of an idea smoldered over the months and years to follow. 01:49:00.580 --> 01:49:03.260 And it took hold within the classic team as well. 01:49:03.260 --> 01:49:07.300 People on the team would come forward left and right, pitching versions of what it might 01:49:07.300 --> 01:49:12.260 look like to add content to change that vanilla game. 01:49:12.260 --> 01:49:18.580 And that led us to 2023 when we decided to test the waters with a certain experiment, 01:49:18.580 --> 01:49:20.780 also announced right here. 01:49:20.780 --> 01:49:24.380 of discovery was an experiment on many levels. 01:49:24.380 --> 01:49:25.380 Right? 01:49:25.380 --> 01:49:29.060 So, it was awesome. 01:49:29.060 --> 01:49:31.620 But it was deliberately pushing boundaries. 01:49:31.620 --> 01:49:35.380 And we pretty much said that outright at the time, because it was a time-limited seasonal 01:49:35.380 --> 01:49:36.380 experience. 01:49:36.380 --> 01:49:41.440 It gave us a chance to find the limits of how much change was too much change. 01:49:41.440 --> 01:49:45.620 How far could we go before things started to feel like they didn't belong in that world 01:49:45.620 --> 01:49:48.140 or alongside those philosophies? 01:49:48.140 --> 01:49:53.860 What we did make, a bunch of new quests, new items, new class abilities, even all new dungeons 01:49:53.860 --> 01:49:57.300 and raids like Charizard and Crypt and the Scarlet Enclave. 01:49:57.300 --> 01:50:03.480 And we sure found those limits, but along the way, we learned a ton of valuable lessons. 01:50:03.480 --> 01:50:08.180 And probably a couple of years ago, by the middle of 2024, looking at how it had gone, 01:50:08.180 --> 01:50:14.820 we were certain that it was not only possible, but compelling to pursue this vision. 01:50:14.820 --> 01:50:18.940 For Season of Discovery, we learned what worked and what didn't. 01:50:18.940 --> 01:50:22.820 We learned how to build content 20 years later that felt like it belonged alongside 01:50:22.820 --> 01:50:28.780 the original stuff, and in the meantime, we'd absorbed years of experience of how players 01:50:28.780 --> 01:50:33.460 today approach the classic game, which is different in many ways from how it was back 01:50:33.460 --> 01:50:38.940 in 2005 when the internet was a different place and knowledge was a different thing. 01:50:38.940 --> 01:50:43.460 But most of all, we heard loud and clear from everyone in Season of Discovery that they didn't 01:50:43.460 --> 01:50:48.860 want just a temporary season, but instead a forever home where their investments would 01:50:48.860 --> 01:50:51.540 be meaningful, where their journey could continue forward. 01:50:51.540 --> 01:50:57.020 Yeah, I think that's the big thing that classic enjoyers have been wanting, not just in season 01:50:57.020 --> 01:51:03.540 of discovery because it ends, but the same thing was true or is true in current TBC. 01:51:03.540 --> 01:51:07.300 We don't know what TBC is going to be, so as cool as getting stuff is, it's like, well, 01:51:07.300 --> 01:51:09.500 it might just be gone. 01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:11.000 We don't know where MOP is going. 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:14.120 Hopefully we know soon, but it's cool, 01:51:14.120 --> 01:51:15.640 but it could just be gone. 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:18.360 Like, so, I mean, I don't really like the name forever 01:51:18.360 --> 01:51:20.840 in a sense, but like, wow, forever is so cool. 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:24.240 Cause it's just like, okay, we have a wow again 01:51:24.240 --> 01:51:26.840 to just like grind and your progression 01:51:26.840 --> 01:51:29.920 isn't just going to be deleted from another expansion. 01:51:29.920 --> 01:51:31.600 Your progression is going to be deleted 01:51:31.600 --> 01:51:34.960 from literally just, you know, deleting the servers 01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:36.560 or your progression isn't going to be deleted 01:51:36.560 --> 01:51:38.040 in the sense like in Season of Discovery 01:51:38.040 --> 01:51:41.480 everyone quitting because there's no new content updates. We're gonna get 01:51:41.480 --> 01:51:45.360 continual content updates where it's gonna be like cool this is my account 01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:50.160 this is my world of Warcraft account. I personally haven't felt that way since I 01:51:50.160 --> 01:51:55.640 stopped playing retail you know as my primary game many many years ago so I've 01:51:55.640 --> 01:52:00.920 been craving having just like a wow account again on hardcore I mean I love 01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:03.760 hardcore but I look at all of my characters is very temporary because 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:05.840 one day you'll die on them, right? 01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:08.000 On Season of Discovery, we knew it would end. 01:52:08.000 --> 01:52:11.000 On TBC, it's amazing, but you don't really know 01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.400 where it's going, right? 01:52:12.400 --> 01:52:14.640 So, it's like for the first time, 01:52:14.640 --> 01:52:16.080 we actually have a classic wow, 01:52:16.080 --> 01:52:18.640 that's like, all right, let's grind it, 01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:19.920 and we're not just gonna get an expansion, 01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:21.920 that's just gonna delete all this stuff 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:23.280 and replace it with greens. 01:52:23.280 --> 01:52:25.800 So, just on that alone, 01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:28.320 I feel like it's just such a massive W. 01:52:28.320 --> 01:52:29.560 We've already made the list 01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:32.880 on all of the things that I like and don't like, right? 01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:38.640 But I feel like just that alone gets me so darn excited, you know? 01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:40.320 And so here we are. 01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:45.960 Thank you to all those dreamers along the way who kept this idea alive and gave 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.000 the team inspiration over the years. 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:52.420 It's been a lot of fun over the last year, reading and watching all the online 01:52:52.420 --> 01:52:57.000 discourse about what Classic Plus could be, should be, and definitely shouldn't be. 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:02.600 But now let me turn it over to the team so they can tell you exactly what it is. 01:53:02.880 --> 01:53:04.880 Say 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:25.560 Hello BlizzCon 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:33.060 So, what exactly is WoW forever? 01:53:33.060 --> 01:53:35.780 For us, it begins with a simple belief. 01:53:35.780 --> 01:53:41.460 There are still a message worth telling in the original world of Azeroth. 01:53:41.460 --> 01:53:44.640 We're not looking beyond Azeroth for the next chapter. 01:53:44.640 --> 01:53:47.700 We're not moving forward to Outland and beyond. 01:53:47.700 --> 01:53:53.340 Instead, we're looking deeper into the world players already fell in love with. 01:53:53.340 --> 01:53:56.240 The Eastern Kingdoms, Kalimdor. 01:53:56.240 --> 01:53:59.540 The places we've traveled through for decades. 01:53:59.540 --> 01:54:02.700 We're revisiting mysteries that were never fully explored, 01:54:02.700 --> 01:54:04.700 stories that were never fully told, 01:54:04.700 --> 01:54:06.940 regions that existed on the map, 01:54:06.940 --> 01:54:10.540 but never had the chance to become adventures of their own. 01:54:10.540 --> 01:54:15.020 We believe Azeroth still has secrets worth uncovering. 01:54:15.020 --> 01:54:17.900 And that's what WoW Forever is. 01:54:17.900 --> 01:54:20.180 Not expanding away from Azeroth, 01:54:20.180 --> 01:54:22.980 but expanding deeper inside of it. 01:54:22.980 --> 01:54:25.060 I mean, like, do we, like, that, I mean, 01:54:25.060 --> 01:54:27.020 that is the biggest W, right? 01:54:27.020 --> 01:54:30.620 That is what we wanted at a fundamental level. 01:54:30.620 --> 01:54:31.460 That is what we wanted. 01:54:31.460 --> 01:54:32.300 So I love this. 01:54:32.300 --> 01:54:34.500 I mean, like I said, there's things I don't like 01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:35.940 or things that I'm unsure about 01:54:35.940 --> 01:54:37.860 or things that I'm like, eh, right? 01:54:37.860 --> 01:54:41.500 Especially that darn UI, especially that darn UI. 01:54:41.500 --> 01:54:44.180 But like that right there is what we've been wanting 01:54:44.180 --> 01:54:45.580 at a fundamental level. 01:54:45.580 --> 01:54:46.740 So that's cool. 01:54:46.740 --> 01:54:49.100 I'll go things with 20 gifts bro, you're legend. 01:54:49.100 --> 01:54:53.180 So before we show you exactly where that journey begins, 01:54:53.180 --> 01:54:55.780 I want to talk briefly about the principles guiding 01:54:55.780 --> 01:54:58.620 every decision that we've made. 01:54:58.620 --> 01:55:03.820 First, let me get my slides here, sorry there. 01:55:03.820 --> 01:55:06.380 First, approachable and familiar. 01:55:06.380 --> 01:55:10.140 We believe the world should still feel like classic. 01:55:10.140 --> 01:55:12.060 Every addition we make is measured 01:55:12.060 --> 01:55:14.780 against the spirit of the original game. 01:55:14.780 --> 01:55:17.820 Not whether it's new, not whether it's flashy, 01:55:17.820 --> 01:55:20.540 but whether it feels like it belongs. 01:55:20.540 --> 01:55:23.620 That's why you won't find flying mounts. 01:55:23.620 --> 01:55:24.460 Yeah? 01:55:24.460 --> 01:55:25.300 Yeah? 01:55:25.300 --> 01:55:26.140 Yeah? 01:55:28.140 --> 01:55:30.660 You won't find level scaling. 01:55:30.660 --> 01:55:35.660 And Azeroth should remain a dangerous world 01:55:36.060 --> 01:55:39.740 where preparation matters, communication matters, 01:55:39.740 --> 01:55:41.940 and working together matters. 01:55:43.260 --> 01:55:44.100 Yes. 01:55:45.940 --> 01:55:47.220 Thank you. 01:55:47.220 --> 01:55:51.140 We're not interested in making the game difficult simply for difficulty's sake. 01:55:51.740 --> 01:55:55.460 When challenges are overcome, we want it to be because players prepared, 01:55:55.900 --> 01:55:58.900 learned, cooperated and succeeded together. 01:56:00.100 --> 01:56:04.060 Right there. We literally said this like, like an hour ago or 30 minutes ago. 01:56:04.300 --> 01:56:08.860 Classic WoW is about preparing. It's not about difficulty. 01:56:09.100 --> 01:56:13.540 It's not about, oh, I need to not stand in the fire and move at like 0.5, 01:56:13.540 --> 01:56:17.520 Like, bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu-bu, like retail, like all of this crazy stuff. 01:56:17.520 --> 01:56:19.140 It's not about that. 01:56:19.140 --> 01:56:23.100 It's about coming together, preparing, and owning that raid. 01:56:23.100 --> 01:56:29.460 And of course, you might wipe 3 to 5, 10 times, but it's not gonna be like this like 100 boss 01:56:29.460 --> 01:56:33.480 kill progression mythic rating sweating frustrating experience. 01:56:33.480 --> 01:56:34.480 It's not that. 01:56:34.480 --> 01:56:35.480 It just isn't, right? 01:56:35.480 --> 01:56:37.040 And you don't wanna make it into that. 01:56:37.040 --> 01:56:38.040 So I love this. 01:56:38.040 --> 01:56:39.560 I love this, man. 01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:44.560 Now second, world as the main character, yes. 01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:46.560 Yes, love this too. Love this too. 01:56:46.560 --> 01:56:51.560 We believe Azeroth itself should be one of the most important characters in the game. 01:56:51.560 --> 01:56:55.560 Leveling is just as important as endgame. 01:56:55.560 --> 01:56:57.560 Alright, I gotta pause again. 01:56:57.560 --> 01:57:03.560 Yes, yes, yes, that is right baby, I love that. 01:57:03.560 --> 01:57:04.560 Yes. 01:57:04.560 --> 01:57:11.280 And we want to keep investing in the world itself through new zones, new quests, new rewards, 01:57:11.280 --> 01:57:14.780 and new adventures across all levels of play. 01:57:14.780 --> 01:57:18.000 Not every story needs to be about saving the world. 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:23.520 Sometimes the most memorable stories happen in a remote village along a forgotten road 01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:26.040 or a corner of the map that you never expected to revisit. 01:57:26.040 --> 01:57:27.720 I can't believe I missed this. 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:32.040 This is just like every sentence is like golden, right? 01:57:32.040 --> 01:57:37.560 You don't have to be saving the world of requests or modern MMOs. 01:57:37.560 --> 01:57:43.200 You don't have to be just this main guy that's like, you're the guy that's just making it 01:57:43.200 --> 01:57:45.320 so that we all don't die every quest. 01:57:45.320 --> 01:57:46.320 It's like, no, bro. 01:57:46.320 --> 01:57:47.760 That's not what it's about, right? 01:57:47.760 --> 01:57:50.360 The pacing, the nice little quest here and there. 01:57:50.360 --> 01:57:51.920 It's fantastic, man. 01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:53.400 I love it. 01:57:53.400 --> 01:57:57.220 Now third, journey before destination. 01:57:57.220 --> 01:58:00.680 We believe your effort should matter. 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:02.800 that should continue to matter, 01:58:02.820 --> 01:58:07.020 while forever is designed as a long-term home. 01:58:07.040 --> 01:58:09.900 We're not planning around future-level cap increases 01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:12.320 that invalidate your accomplishments, 01:58:12.340 --> 01:58:14.600 the professions you invest in matter, 01:58:14.620 --> 01:58:16.520 the routes you choose matter, 01:58:16.540 --> 01:58:19.080 and the gear you earn matters. 01:58:19.100 --> 01:58:22.080 The experiences that you have with friends matter. 01:58:22.100 --> 01:58:25.140 Our catch-up system is quite simple. 01:58:25.160 --> 01:58:26.280 Play the game! 01:58:26.280 --> 01:58:31.560 Oh my gosh! Let's go! 01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:38.560 Bro, when all of us went to RuneScape last year, this was the one thing that we all came back asking for. 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:45.080 Like, we want our progress to matter, not just getting wiped or reset every expansion. 01:58:45.080 --> 01:58:50.000 Like, it's just like, oh my gosh, I can't believe I missed this panel, bro. Holy crap. 01:58:50.000 --> 01:59:01.920 Level up, run dungeons, make friends, explore the world, earn your rewards. 01:59:01.920 --> 01:59:06.580 And finally, protect and nurture social experiences. 01:59:06.580 --> 01:59:11.260 Many of our favorite memories from classic happened because of other players, because 01:59:11.260 --> 01:59:17.180 someone helped us complete a quest, because a stranger joined our group, because a dungeon 01:59:17.180 --> 01:59:19.900 run turned into a friendship. 01:59:19.900 --> 01:59:23.900 We've had to be disciplined when adding convenience to the game 01:59:23.900 --> 01:59:29.400 because every quality of life decision affects how players interact with one another. 01:59:29.400 --> 01:59:33.400 Now, we want to create reasons for people to explore an adventure together, 01:59:33.400 --> 01:59:37.900 and that's part of the philosophy behind new systems like camping. 01:59:38.900 --> 01:59:43.400 And it's why every patch will include content for different kinds of players, 01:59:43.400 --> 01:59:50.160 Where you enjoy solo adventures, dungeons, raids, PVP, or something in between. 01:59:50.160 --> 01:59:55.360 Because the best adventures are the ones that we share. 01:59:55.360 --> 01:59:58.720 So those pillars guide every decision that we make. 01:59:58.720 --> 02:00:01.280 But what do they actually mean in practice? 02:00:01.280 --> 02:00:02.440 For us, it starts... 02:00:02.440 --> 02:00:06.360 So those are some pretty darn good pillars. 02:00:06.360 --> 02:00:12.760 If they actually stay true to those pillars, I have a lot of faith in this game, right? 02:00:12.760 --> 02:00:15.080 that they stray from those obviously not good. 02:00:15.080 --> 02:00:17.280 Those are some really good foundations. 02:00:17.280 --> 02:00:18.120 I love them. 02:00:18.120 --> 02:00:22.240 With Azeroth itself, people often talk about vanilla Azeroth 02:00:22.240 --> 02:00:25.400 as though it's a solved game, as though every mystery 02:00:25.400 --> 02:00:28.040 has been answered, every story has been told, 02:00:28.040 --> 02:00:30.440 every corner of the world explored. 02:00:30.440 --> 02:00:33.800 But when we look at Azeroth, we see something very different. 02:00:33.800 --> 02:00:36.760 We see potential, we see unfinished stories, 02:00:36.760 --> 02:00:39.960 we see unexplored places, we see regions players 02:00:39.960 --> 02:00:45.040 have been wondering about for decades, the Gilneas, Mount 02:00:45.040 --> 02:00:48.680 Hygel, Uldum, the mountains north of Angora. 02:00:48.680 --> 02:00:50.040 I wonder what's up there? 02:00:50.040 --> 02:00:53.320 The spaces that exist between the familiar parts 02:00:53.320 --> 02:00:55.440 of the world and the possibilities 02:00:55.440 --> 02:00:56.800 don't stop there. 02:00:56.800 --> 02:00:58.720 Forgotten kingdoms, Titan. 02:00:58.720 --> 02:00:59.760 This is so sick. 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:02.640 They circled on the map like all of these spots. 02:01:02.640 --> 02:01:03.880 I love this. 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:06.160 In the future, they're going to need 02:01:06.160 --> 02:01:08.680 to add some new stuff eventually, 02:01:08.680 --> 02:01:10.840 especially for staying in Azeroth. 02:01:10.840 --> 02:01:14.720 We're gonna need maybe something on here, here, 02:01:14.720 --> 02:01:17.280 or we're gonna need like a boat to another island, 02:01:17.280 --> 02:01:18.280 like here or something. 02:01:18.280 --> 02:01:22.360 But right now, there is so much undiscovered content 02:01:22.360 --> 02:01:24.680 for years or, I don't know, 02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:27.800 at least maybe a year or two or three 02:01:27.800 --> 02:01:30.720 to where just build the world out, right? 02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:33.640 You wanna see players taking flight paths and boats 02:01:33.640 --> 02:01:36.000 across these pre-existing places 02:01:36.000 --> 02:01:38.660 and run around on your mounts and explore them, right? 02:01:38.660 --> 02:01:40.460 You want to see that for a long, long time. 02:01:40.460 --> 02:01:43.420 Eventually, yeah, you might have to add things here and there, 02:01:43.420 --> 02:01:45.500 but like there's so much here. 02:01:45.500 --> 02:01:49.960 Mysteries, the Emerald Dream, the Caverns of Time, 02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:52.780 countless adventures still waiting to be told 02:01:52.780 --> 02:01:54.340 in the vanilla world. 02:01:54.340 --> 02:01:57.020 But every journey has to begin somewhere. 02:01:57.020 --> 02:01:59.060 And when we started planning LOW Forever, 02:01:59.060 --> 02:02:02.420 we wanted to begin with places deeply rooted in the world, 02:02:02.420 --> 02:02:04.820 players already know and love. 02:02:04.820 --> 02:02:08.420 So let's take a look at where our adventure begins. 02:02:10.060 --> 02:02:14.380 So today we're introducing four new regions to Azeroth. 02:02:14.380 --> 02:02:19.380 Yes, four new adventurers built directly into the world 02:02:20.060 --> 02:02:21.940 of the Eastern kingdoms in Kalimdor 02:02:21.940 --> 02:02:24.380 because Azeroth is not finished growing 02:02:24.380 --> 02:02:26.820 and this is how that growth begins. 02:02:26.820 --> 02:02:28.860 Bro, I like, I'm so torn, 02:02:28.860 --> 02:02:31.980 like I absolutely love classic graphics 02:02:31.980 --> 02:02:35.860 but at the same time, I can't sit here and say 02:02:35.860 --> 02:02:40.300 that like this doesn't look amazing. 02:02:40.300 --> 02:02:42.420 Like the glistening sun and the water, 02:02:42.420 --> 02:02:46.040 like it looks so good. 02:02:46.040 --> 02:02:48.060 I still like how classic looks, 02:02:48.060 --> 02:02:49.300 but it's like this also does. 02:02:49.300 --> 02:02:51.360 I think the best of both worlds would be a toggle. 02:02:51.360 --> 02:02:53.060 I don't know if that's even possible, 02:02:53.060 --> 02:02:54.860 but like it does look very good. 02:02:54.860 --> 02:02:57.900 And I'm such a classic graphics enjoyer, right? 02:02:57.900 --> 02:02:59.380 So it like kills me to say that, 02:02:59.380 --> 02:03:03.180 It looks pretty good. 02:03:03.180 --> 02:03:07.680 So let's start with a place many of us have wondered about for more than 20 years. 02:03:07.680 --> 02:03:08.780 Mount Hygel! 02:03:08.780 --> 02:03:13.980 We all know the story. 02:03:13.980 --> 02:03:15.880 We know the story of Archimonde's defeat. 02:03:15.880 --> 02:03:18.280 But what happened afterwards? 02:03:18.280 --> 02:03:20.580 How did Hygel recover? 02:03:20.580 --> 02:03:22.480 How are the forests healing from the corruption? 02:03:22.480 --> 02:03:26.180 How are the wild gods affected by the events atop the mountain? 02:03:26.180 --> 02:03:28.580 And what dangers still remain? 02:03:28.580 --> 02:03:34.660 Mt. Hygel is a new end game leveling zone where players can finally journey through the dark whisper gorge 02:03:34.660 --> 02:03:41.620 and explore one of Warcraft's most important locations during a period of history that we've never really experienced before. 02:03:42.020 --> 02:03:47.620 Didn't they also say it was going to be a 20-man raid on the roadmap? 02:03:47.620 --> 02:03:53.300 I was almost certain because he just said it's an end game leveling zone, but this says, oh, Hygel's summit is different than Mt. Hygel. 02:03:53.300 --> 02:03:55.140 Okay, Hygel's summit is going to be a 20-man. 02:03:55.140 --> 02:03:58.700 Now, you'll encounter new stories, rewards, 02:03:58.700 --> 02:04:02.780 new reputations, and both solo and group content 02:04:02.780 --> 02:04:06.020 as you help shape the future of this recovering land. 02:04:06.020 --> 02:04:09.820 And for players seeking a greater challenge, 02:04:09.820 --> 02:04:12.420 Hydral also serves as the home of 02:04:12.420 --> 02:04:15.220 one of our launch raids, Hydral Summit. 02:04:15.220 --> 02:04:20.580 And it serves as one of 02:04:20.580 --> 02:04:23.860 three entrances into one of our other raids, 02:04:23.860 --> 02:04:25.120 the Barrow-Deeps. 02:04:27.500 --> 02:04:30.100 Because some of Azeroth's greatest victories 02:04:30.120 --> 02:04:31.960 still have stories yet to tell. 02:04:33.120 --> 02:04:37.360 But not every adventure begins with a famous landmark. 02:04:37.380 --> 02:04:40.420 Some begin in places we've barely noticed at all. 02:04:40.440 --> 02:04:43.960 If you've ever flown between Morgor and Desilis, 02:04:43.980 --> 02:04:47.560 you've probably seen a set of ancient ruins passing far below. 02:04:47.580 --> 02:04:51.800 A small detail in the world, a mystery hiding in plain sight. 02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:54.800 Welcome to Shendralar. 02:04:54.800 --> 02:04:58.800 Here you'll meet Mordent Evenshade and learn more about the Shendralar. 02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:02.800 The people who, like, this is the stuff we want to see, right? 02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:04.800 It's already there and they're building it out. 02:05:04.800 --> 02:05:07.800 Like, that is so darn cool, then. 02:05:07.800 --> 02:05:13.800 History is deeply connected to Elctrophilus, Dire Maul, and Prince Tortheldrin himself. 02:05:13.800 --> 02:05:18.800 The players will also continue storylines involving the Galchis and the Magrum Centaur tribes, 02:05:18.800 --> 02:05:23.800 while discovering new reasons to visit dungeons like Maradon and Razorfen Downs. 02:05:23.800 --> 02:05:27.800 That's a great example of one of the things we love most about Azeroth. 02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:32.800 Even the smallest corner of the world can become a truly memorable adventure. 02:05:32.800 --> 02:05:37.800 If they continue building out all of these small corners month after month, 02:05:37.800 --> 02:05:43.800 year after year, and content updates, imagine how rich this world is going to be. 02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:46.800 Right? Like, every, like it already is, right? 02:05:46.800 --> 02:05:51.100 Right classic era already is but imagine they keep doing stuff like this 02:05:51.600 --> 02:05:57.120 It's gonna be like bro. Everything is just magical like everywhere you go. There is just something to do like oh 02:05:57.720 --> 02:05:59.720 my gosh now 02:05:59.960 --> 02:06:07.760 One of our core beliefs is that the journey matters and nowhere embodies that philosophy better than our new zone the River Glades 02:06:09.200 --> 02:06:12.960 Located along the eastern coast of eastern kingdoms between Red Ridge 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:17.760 burning steps, the badlands, and swamp of sorrow, this place is big, the river 02:06:17.760 --> 02:06:21.760 blades is a major new leveling zone inspired by stories that stretch all 02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:26.640 the way back to the earliest Warcraft games. Years ago human forces pursued 02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:31.160 retreating orcs to this region and when help never came many of those settlers 02:06:31.160 --> 02:06:35.880 were forced to remain behind and build lives of their own on the frontier. 02:06:35.880 --> 02:06:42.320 Generation later the descendants still endure. This is a rugged land of rivers, 02:06:42.320 --> 02:06:47.120 grasslands, trade routes, struggling communities, old grudges, and new 02:06:47.120 --> 02:06:52.320 opportunities. Humans and orcs, ogres and gnolls, goblins and murlocs, all 02:06:52.320 --> 02:06:57.680 competing to survive in a region where no one has it easy. And that's what makes 02:06:57.680 --> 02:07:02.840 the River Blades special. This isn't a story about saving Azeroth. It's a story 02:07:02.840 --> 02:07:08.280 about living in Azeroth. A spanning from the mid-30s to the mid-40s, River 02:07:08.280 --> 02:07:12.080 blades introduces more than 150 new quests. 02:07:12.080 --> 02:07:14.280 Mid 30s to the mid 40s. 02:07:14.280 --> 02:07:18.920 I think that's actually kind of exactly the level 02:07:18.920 --> 02:07:20.160 of where it should be, because there's 02:07:20.160 --> 02:07:23.480 like a weird level between like 40 and 44, 02:07:23.480 --> 02:07:27.080 like before you go to Teneris, that like oftentimes it's 02:07:27.080 --> 02:07:29.960 like, oh, you just have to keep doing Scarlet 02:07:29.960 --> 02:07:32.000 monastery over and over. 02:07:32.000 --> 02:07:34.240 Or I mean, you can kind of bridge the gap 02:07:34.240 --> 02:07:35.640 if you like every quest. 02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:37.040 But sometimes it gets a little rough. 02:07:37.040 --> 02:07:44.040 It's like the exact level band that like an extra zone with more quests is gonna like smooth over. 02:07:44.540 --> 02:07:51.280 Um, I don't know if we're gonna add a dungeon, but a new dungeon at level 42 or 43 would be awesome. 02:07:51.280 --> 02:07:55.980 So like in between Scarlet Monastery and RFD, but before Zulfarok. 02:07:56.320 --> 02:08:02.900 Cause if you've done, if you've ever leveled a character in Classic WoW, there's this moment where like you've done Scarlet Monastery five times. 02:08:02.900 --> 02:08:07.780 You don't really want to do R of D again, but you're too low to go to Zul'fer'ak, right? 02:08:07.780 --> 02:08:11.460 You can do like the first half of Old A Man, but like that's kind of weird sometimes 02:08:13.860 --> 02:08:16.100 because you can't complete Old A Man at that level either. 02:08:17.380 --> 02:08:22.180 Content for both Horde and Alliance players, new reputations, new rewards, 02:08:22.180 --> 02:08:26.100 and entirely new ways to progress through your leveling journey. 02:08:26.740 --> 02:08:31.220 The players will also discover a neutral goblin port that expands trade routes throughout the 02:08:31.220 --> 02:08:37.380 Eastern kingdoms and beyond so is calling and for those of you looking for trouble you'll find 02:08:37.380 --> 02:08:40.980 pro doc strong uh yeah once i'm gonna call i'll answer this 02:08:43.700 --> 02:08:47.140 yeah what's going on gamer i i know you're watching a panel and i'm gonna let you get 02:08:47.140 --> 02:08:54.580 back to it i just someone told me this and it's i i have to ask you okay are you do you want to 02:08:54.580 --> 02:09:02.020 Toggle off the new like art and the god rays and the fog you would prefer that toggled off 02:09:02.020 --> 02:09:06.020 I would prefer a toggle so it's up to the user whether they want it on or off 02:09:06.460 --> 02:09:10.060 Just a toggle just the option for if you want like an og 02:09:10.620 --> 02:09:12.380 Warcraft 3 02:09:12.380 --> 02:09:16.360 Experience, you know like you know in Warcraft 3 you can go to the new graphics of the og 02:09:16.360 --> 02:09:18.360 So what would you what would you play as? 02:09:19.140 --> 02:09:21.980 To be honest, I'd probably play with the new one for a little bit 02:09:21.980 --> 02:09:28.620 until a bug until I found a little bit and then if I found something that bugged me enough or I was like crap 02:09:28.620 --> 02:09:32.060 I want more nostalgia or like I want to just go back then maybe I would turn them off 02:09:32.060 --> 02:09:37.780 But I would probably start with them on yeah, okay. This makes sense people obviously people were misunderstanding and my excited 02:09:37.900 --> 02:09:42.800 Sorry took you away from your panel. No, it's a little it's a little new was off like here's the thing 02:09:42.800 --> 02:09:48.860 I'm such a classic graphics guy like when I played Warcraft 3. I just love like the low-poly art when I played runescape 02:09:48.860 --> 02:09:56.060 I thought it was sick like so I love like the low poly stuff, but even me. I'm like, okay fine. It looks really good 02:09:57.020 --> 02:10:00.700 It's like, okay. Would you how would you prefer here? Would you prefer? 02:10:01.420 --> 02:10:07.740 Like if they if it's impossible for them to add a toggle, let's say it somehow affects the world and it the way something 02:10:08.220 --> 02:10:12.940 It fucks things up. You can't do it toggle because everyone needs to be in line. Yeah. Yeah. What would you want? 02:10:13.420 --> 02:10:15.420 classic or the new update 02:10:15.420 --> 02:10:21.060 for the world I guess then the guest then it's the new one 02:10:22.060 --> 02:10:26.580 Kills me to say that. Why does that kill you? Have you guys I like all these stuff? 02:10:27.100 --> 02:10:31.320 Now it looks amazing and look like look I hate to say it but it looks amazing, okay? 02:10:31.320 --> 02:10:34.980 I love I love all the sick. Okay. It looks good. It looks really good, okay? 02:10:34.980 --> 02:10:38.740 If I can only have one I guess the new one, but like okay, yeah 02:10:38.740 --> 02:10:43.020 I agree okay now that I know your take is you just want to toggle that makes more sense 02:10:43.020 --> 02:10:45.820 I just had to clarify, sorry, it's all that you get back to it. 02:10:45.820 --> 02:10:47.820 Thanks, bro, GG's. 02:10:47.820 --> 02:10:49.320 All right, sorry. 02:10:49.320 --> 02:10:52.320 That is some good questions from Soda, 02:10:52.320 --> 02:10:54.520 because my take on this is nuanced. 02:10:54.520 --> 02:10:58.020 I want the toggle just to give the player the choice, 02:10:58.020 --> 02:11:01.020 but the new ones look really darn good, okay? 02:11:01.020 --> 02:11:05.420 You know, the new ones look really darn good. 02:11:05.420 --> 02:11:06.820 Like, really good. 02:11:06.820 --> 02:11:11.420 Like, the new water that, like, it just looks like, guys, 02:11:11.420 --> 02:11:12.720 it looks better than retail, right? 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:16.400 Right? Like it looks like it looks insane, looks ridiculous. 02:11:16.400 --> 02:11:20.320 Anyway, I would like the toggle, but that's the nuance take of this. 02:11:20.320 --> 02:11:21.480 Anyway, let's get back to the panel. 02:11:21.480 --> 02:11:27.980 And hold an enormous outdoor dungeon where a powerful ogre civilization is conducting some very questionable business. 02:11:28.480 --> 02:11:34.880 And yes, we thought it might be nice to have another option besides running Scarlet Monastery for the 25th time. 02:11:34.880 --> 02:11:36.880 Yeah! 02:11:36.880 --> 02:11:38.380 True, true, true. 02:11:38.380 --> 02:11:44.020 So far, we've explored places tied to the familiar parts of Warcraft's history. 02:11:44.020 --> 02:11:47.780 But Azeroth should still be able to surprise us. 02:11:47.780 --> 02:11:51.060 Sometimes the greatest mystery isn't beyond the horizon. 02:11:51.060 --> 02:11:53.300 Sometimes it's above us. 02:11:53.300 --> 02:11:55.980 Welcome to Zephyr's Isle. 02:11:55.980 --> 02:12:00.360 Thousands of years ago, a group of high-born exiles forged a pact with the elemental wind 02:12:00.360 --> 02:12:04.740 spirits and they built a civilization in the realm of Skywall. 02:12:04.740 --> 02:12:07.380 This wasn't entirely without precedent. 02:12:07.380 --> 02:12:12.240 players may remember stories like Thunderfury and Prince Thundaren, where we first caught 02:12:12.240 --> 02:12:16.320 glimpses of the elemental powers beyond Azeroth itself. 02:12:16.320 --> 02:12:21.400 Now Zephyrus gives us an opportunity to expand on some of those ideas while still creating 02:12:21.400 --> 02:12:23.520 something entirely new. 02:12:23.520 --> 02:12:27.020 But the civilization of Zephyrus is in trouble. 02:12:27.020 --> 02:12:30.920 The air spirits that once protected these islands have vanished. 02:12:30.920 --> 02:12:33.120 Ancient structures are beginning to fail. 02:12:33.120 --> 02:12:34.880 Communities are becoming isolated. 02:12:34.880 --> 02:12:38.160 And the Skyborne people are divided over what comes next. 02:12:38.180 --> 02:12:40.980 Some seek answers from the wind spirits. 02:12:41.000 --> 02:12:44.960 Some wish to reclaim the arcane traditions of their ancestors. 02:12:44.980 --> 02:12:47.620 The others have turned to darker powers. 02:12:47.640 --> 02:12:50.780 The Zephyrus Isle serves as a brand-new starting experience 02:12:50.800 --> 02:12:52.500 from levels one to 12 02:12:52.520 --> 02:12:55.120 and combines classic warcraft aesthetics 02:12:55.140 --> 02:12:58.460 with elemental architecture inspired by Skywall itself. 02:12:59.380 --> 02:13:03.140 And that is why we're introducing an entirely new playable race, 02:13:03.140 --> 02:13:04.140 the Skyborne. 02:13:04.140 --> 02:13:05.140 Yes. 02:13:05.140 --> 02:13:11.660 Now, the Skyborne are not a neutral race. 02:13:11.660 --> 02:13:16.060 At character creation, players will choose whether the Skyborne joins the Horde or the 02:13:16.060 --> 02:13:17.060 Alliance. 02:13:17.060 --> 02:13:22.940 And while they share a common ancestry, they no longer share a common vision for the future. 02:13:22.940 --> 02:13:28.580 The Horde-aligned Skyborne embrace stronger ties to elemental traditions and work closely 02:13:28.580 --> 02:13:33.060 alongside the Earthen Ring, granting access to the Shaman class. 02:13:33.060 --> 02:13:37.260 Now, Alliance Skyborne pursue the arcane legacy of their ancestors 02:13:37.260 --> 02:13:41.740 and work alongside the Kirin Tor, granting access to the mage class. 02:13:41.740 --> 02:13:46.500 Now, both factions can play warriors, hunters, robes, and druids, 02:13:46.500 --> 02:13:50.820 including some brand new Skyborne druid forms created specifically for the race. 02:13:50.820 --> 02:13:52.380 And the name came on. 02:13:52.380 --> 02:13:53.780 Sick. 02:13:53.780 --> 02:13:58.980 And the Skyborne also feature new ratios, customizations, voices, dances, 02:13:58.980 --> 02:14:01.660 and a wide range of unique visual options. 02:14:01.660 --> 02:14:06.100 And more importantly, the Skyborne represent exactly the kind of story we want to tell 02:14:06.100 --> 02:14:07.100 in Well Forever. 02:14:07.100 --> 02:14:11.620 Okay, so, there's so much to cover here. 02:14:11.620 --> 02:14:16.060 I already talked a lot about this. 02:14:16.060 --> 02:14:19.740 I would have preferred, oh, my voice, that wasn't a crack. 02:14:19.740 --> 02:14:20.740 Let me explain what that was. 02:14:20.740 --> 02:14:24.100 That was, I lost my voice over the weekend, so it's hoarse. 02:14:24.100 --> 02:14:27.280 That was a hoarse. 02:14:27.280 --> 02:14:30.820 Much different than a crack. 02:14:30.820 --> 02:14:35.820 I would have preferred high elf as a high elf 02:14:36.580 --> 02:14:39.260 and then a forsaken elf like Sylvanas. 02:14:39.260 --> 02:14:42.020 That would have been like the best possible, 02:14:42.020 --> 02:14:44.620 but to be fair, I didn't like think about that 02:14:44.620 --> 02:14:45.900 till a bunch of people were saying it like that. 02:14:45.900 --> 02:14:47.340 That would have been sick. 02:14:47.340 --> 02:14:52.340 But I will say that I actually don't hate Skyborne. 02:14:52.780 --> 02:14:56.420 Their lore is they're a high elf, right? 02:14:56.420 --> 02:14:59.780 So they're essentially high elves that went to this aisle. 02:14:59.780 --> 02:15:02.900 And then you might say, well, they made that up, 02:15:02.900 --> 02:15:06.220 which is somewhat fair criticism. 02:15:06.220 --> 02:15:07.820 And we already talked about this earlier, 02:15:07.820 --> 02:15:10.220 but I'll repeat myself a little. 02:15:10.220 --> 02:15:12.340 All of the Warcraft lore is made up. 02:15:15.060 --> 02:15:16.820 I think that needs to be said. 02:15:16.820 --> 02:15:21.660 Metzen drew this aisle, and they talked about it. 02:15:21.660 --> 02:15:25.260 Oh, guys, I know, I know, I know. 02:15:25.260 --> 02:15:28.260 And there's, I think they talked about it in another panel, 02:15:28.260 --> 02:15:30.820 but there's a few pillars they're trying to follow here, right? 02:15:30.820 --> 02:15:34.380 They wanna tell these untold stories, 02:15:34.380 --> 02:15:37.140 but they want to create a freedom to add new stuff. 02:15:37.140 --> 02:15:39.060 So Metzen gave them the green light of like, 02:15:39.060 --> 02:15:41.980 guys, you at some point are gonna have to add new stuff. 02:15:43.500 --> 02:15:45.340 Valid criticism though, 02:15:45.340 --> 02:15:49.020 this might not have been a place where they needed to yet. 02:15:49.020 --> 02:15:51.220 They maybe should have just done high elves 02:15:51.220 --> 02:15:54.740 and forsaken elves and saved the new stuff 02:15:54.740 --> 02:15:56.140 for something else. 02:15:56.140 --> 02:16:00.420 At some point though, you do need to add new stuff, right? 02:16:00.420 --> 02:16:01.820 Straight from medicine's mouth. 02:16:01.820 --> 02:16:04.620 Like you have to build and eventually build new lore. 02:16:04.620 --> 02:16:06.100 So then you might have the question, 02:16:06.100 --> 02:16:08.300 where does that fit within the lore of the world? 02:16:08.300 --> 02:16:10.580 And we covered this a little bit earlier today, 02:16:10.580 --> 02:16:12.540 but just to repeat myself, 02:16:12.540 --> 02:16:16.180 they straight up said at BlizzCon 02:16:16.180 --> 02:16:19.920 that the lore in this game, in WoW Forever, 02:16:19.920 --> 02:16:24.920 does not affect the world of retail, of mainline, 02:16:24.920 --> 02:16:29.920 of Warcraft 3, it's not like going to retcon everything. 02:16:30.440 --> 02:16:33.080 Retconning does not exist in this game 02:16:33.080 --> 02:16:35.160 because they gave themselves permission 02:16:35.160 --> 02:16:36.960 to be working on a full new timeline. 02:16:36.960 --> 02:16:39.920 This is like, the decisions in this game 02:16:39.920 --> 02:16:41.640 do not affect mainline, in other words. 02:16:41.640 --> 02:16:42.880 It does not affect retail. 02:16:42.880 --> 02:16:46.240 So it's like, okay, retconning doesn't exist 02:16:46.240 --> 02:16:47.800 because it's a whole new universe. 02:16:47.800 --> 02:16:48.960 Stuff doesn't need to be made up. 02:16:48.960 --> 02:16:50.860 Having said all of that, once again, 02:16:50.860 --> 02:16:52.360 I would have preferred high elves, 02:16:52.360 --> 02:16:55.020 Forsaken Elves like a Sylvanas would be so cool. 02:16:56.240 --> 02:16:59.320 But I don't hate it, but I feel like it's just like, 02:17:00.720 --> 02:17:01.560 you know, 02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:04.480 I will say that I like elves, 02:17:04.480 --> 02:17:06.480 so I actually do prefer this over an ogre. 02:17:06.480 --> 02:17:09.880 Sorry, ogre lovers, but I do prefer an elf over an ogre. 02:17:09.880 --> 02:17:11.040 Okay, I'm just gonna keep doing this. 02:17:11.040 --> 02:17:13.520 Something new, something exciting, 02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:16.880 and something that feels like it belongs in Azeroth. 02:17:17.800 --> 02:17:20.720 Now, whether it's helping restore Hygel, 02:17:20.720 --> 02:17:23.640 uncovering forgotten histories of chendralos, 02:17:23.660 --> 02:17:27.000 building a future on the river-glazed frontier, 02:17:27.020 --> 02:17:30.140 or taking your first steps through the skies of Zephyrus. 02:17:30.160 --> 02:17:34.740 These are only the first chapters of Wow Forever. 02:17:34.760 --> 02:17:37.060 This isn't a seasonal experiment. 02:17:37.080 --> 02:17:39.560 This isn't a one-time expansion, 02:17:39.580 --> 02:17:42.620 and it isn't the end of Azeroth's story. 02:17:42.640 --> 02:17:44.840 It's a commitment, a promise, 02:17:44.860 --> 02:17:47.740 to keep growing this world with new regions, 02:17:47.740 --> 02:17:50.220 new mysteries, new adventures, 02:17:50.240 --> 02:17:53.820 and new stories for years and years to come. 02:17:53.840 --> 02:17:56.720 But a living world needs challenges, 02:17:56.740 --> 02:17:59.960 new dungeons, new raids, new battlegrounds, 02:17:59.980 --> 02:18:02.660 new rewards, and to show you 02:18:02.680 --> 02:18:06.100 what's waiting for adventurers brave enough to answer that call, 02:18:06.120 --> 02:18:08.400 I would like to hand things over to Nora. 02:18:09.660 --> 02:18:10.760 Thank you. 02:18:10.780 --> 02:18:11.680 Nice. 02:18:11.700 --> 02:18:15.340 I mean, that's the basis of what we wanted, right? 02:18:15.340 --> 02:18:18.940 I think Skyborn might have been a little... 02:18:19.740 --> 02:18:22.340 Not quite that, but a lot of this understaffed. Absolutely. 02:18:22.340 --> 02:18:23.340 Absolutely. 02:18:27.140 --> 02:18:29.340 Greetings, adventurers! 02:18:33.340 --> 02:18:39.140 I'd like to start by expressing just how proud I am of the team for making this dream a reality. 02:18:39.740 --> 02:18:44.940 Like many of you watching right now, we've poured our hearts into World of Warcraft. 02:18:45.340 --> 02:18:48.500 And it's an honor to be entrusted with this beloved world 02:18:48.520 --> 02:18:50.280 and this incredible legacy. 02:18:50.920 --> 02:18:51.680 Ah! 02:18:51.700 --> 02:18:53.720 Look at me! 02:18:54.320 --> 02:18:57.400 Getting all sentimental when there are matters 02:18:57.420 --> 02:18:59.200 that require our attention. 02:19:00.240 --> 02:19:03.000 There's adventure to be had all across Azeroth, 02:19:03.020 --> 02:19:05.640 and, well, let me just show you. 02:19:06.520 --> 02:19:08.780 In the Alterac Mountains, 02:19:08.800 --> 02:19:12.860 a disruption has thrown the magical city of Dalaran into chaos. 02:19:12.860 --> 02:19:19.100 The mages of the Curentor have erected a magical barrier over the city to conceal the 02:19:19.100 --> 02:19:25.180 restoration efforts after the events of Warcraft 3, but as you can see, the 02:19:25.180 --> 02:19:29.700 barrier seems to be down. Furthermore, I'm hearing all sorts of strange reports. 02:19:29.700 --> 02:19:33.740 Enchantments backfiring, arcane constructs going haywire, demonic energy 02:19:33.740 --> 02:19:38.700 has been running rampant, there are cats everywhere up. I guess that part's normal. 02:19:38.700 --> 02:19:46.700 Anyway, far be it from me to imply that the all-powerful mages of the Cure and Tord don't have the situation under control, 02:19:46.700 --> 02:19:52.700 but perhaps if you're willing to brave the dangers, you could lend them a hand. 02:19:52.700 --> 02:19:58.700 Especially if you're around levels 28, 33, there might be some magical artifacts in it for you. 02:19:58.700 --> 02:20:01.700 So, yeah, we did this dungeon with Tyler1. 02:20:01.700 --> 02:20:06.700 Despite Tyler1 griefing and not really tanking anything at all, this was a pretty sick experience. 02:20:06.700 --> 02:20:10.460 We only got to see a glimpse of it. It's on my YouTube channel if you missed it. 02:20:10.460 --> 02:20:13.500 We only got to see a glimpse of it because we were hard stuck on the first part, 02:20:13.500 --> 02:20:15.660 but you like start in the sewers and work your way up. 02:20:17.180 --> 02:20:19.980 And if we had a better tank, we probably would have seen more of it, but that's not the point. 02:20:19.980 --> 02:20:24.300 The point is we got through a lot of the, like a little bit of the content from what we did see. 02:20:24.300 --> 02:20:25.980 It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. 02:20:25.980 --> 02:20:31.260 And besides, there's a whole city to explore. So no, this isn't just a dungeon. Of course, 02:20:31.260 --> 02:20:37.860 the optics of some rag-tag group of adventurers helping out these powerful 02:20:37.860 --> 02:20:42.300 mages would not go over well but I'm sure we can find some roundabout way to get 02:20:42.300 --> 02:20:46.140 you into the city. Anyway that's just scratching the surface. Let's turn our 02:20:46.140 --> 02:20:49.380 sights closer to home. 02:20:51.060 --> 02:20:55.780 The once great city of Lordaeron was devastated by Arthas and his scourge. 02:20:55.780 --> 02:21:01.460 The Forsaken have been hard at work trying to restore the city. 02:21:01.460 --> 02:21:06.460 There are memories here, old family heirlooms, keepsakes from loved ones who never made it 02:21:06.460 --> 02:21:08.340 out of the city in time. 02:21:08.340 --> 02:21:12.500 The ruins of Lororan are treacherous, a scourge still lurked in its darkest corners. 02:21:12.500 --> 02:21:17.900 But to make matters worse, we've heard reports that Necromancer has moved in, and all signs 02:21:17.900 --> 02:21:21.220 point to an attack on another city. 02:21:21.220 --> 02:21:25.760 While members of the board may choose to take up arms and assist the Forsaken in reclaiming 02:21:25.760 --> 02:21:30.820 these ruins, ideally in the level 15 to 20-ish range, while members of the Alliance— 02:21:30.820 --> 02:21:31.820 Jack! 02:21:31.820 --> 02:21:36.500 Well, I can't remember if you imagined the Forsaken taking kindly to your presence here, 02:21:36.500 --> 02:21:38.420 so you may need to find a way to sneak in. 02:21:38.420 --> 02:21:43.960 But don't worry, Alliance, we have something close to home for you too. 02:21:43.960 --> 02:21:48.860 The Dwarven Capital City of Ironforge is carved within the mountains of Denmerrow, and its 02:21:48.860 --> 02:21:51.140 mighty halls run deep. 02:21:51.140 --> 02:21:56.020 the city proper lies the Hall of Thames a final resting place for the dwarven monarchs of old 02:21:56.660 --> 02:22:02.420 this is a place that has been well tended and for the most part left undisturbed but if you 02:22:02.420 --> 02:22:08.820 guys can't believe it someone's broken into the place is this like old iron forge like this is 02:22:08.820 --> 02:22:13.140 really cool like so um Wubby actually linked me this 02:22:15.940 --> 02:22:25.540 Hall of Thames level 13 where did that go like we have we have rfc obviously for horde 02:22:25.540 --> 02:22:30.340 but alliance never really had that now we have Hall of Thames lower level 13 upper level 18 that is 02:22:30.340 --> 02:22:38.420 so cool that's so cool i suspect the dark irons and perhaps if you're a member of the alliance 02:22:38.420 --> 02:22:44.620 You might feel inspired to uproot these intruders, although I'll warn you, ghostly whispers echo these corridors. 02:22:44.620 --> 02:22:49.420 It's probably best to make sure you're at least somewhere in the 13-18 level range. 02:22:49.420 --> 02:22:52.620 As for Horde, one thing's for certain. 02:22:52.620 --> 02:22:58.520 The dwarves, I know, would never let some Horde waltz fright into their sacred burial chamber. 02:22:58.520 --> 02:23:05.020 I suppose if you're curious, you'll need to find a way to sneak in or perhaps carve your way through. 02:23:05.020 --> 02:23:07.520 But enough about hauling here for a venture. 02:23:07.520 --> 02:23:09.000 Huh, okay. 02:23:09.000 --> 02:23:11.400 Azeroth holds many secrets, and it's no surprise- 02:23:11.400 --> 02:23:13.920 I wonder if they're gonna make a way for a lion's 02:23:13.920 --> 02:23:16.660 to be able to carve their way through to RFC, 02:23:16.660 --> 02:23:18.540 or sneak into RFC. 02:23:18.540 --> 02:23:21.640 I mean, I guess you technically already can just run in. 02:23:21.640 --> 02:23:24.040 But that would be kind of, you know what I mean? 02:23:24.960 --> 02:23:26.800 Surprised that there would be no, 02:23:26.800 --> 02:23:28.640 so many archeological dig sites 02:23:28.640 --> 02:23:30.360 through it's scattered throughout the land. 02:23:30.360 --> 02:23:34.120 These courageous enough to brave errant titan constructs 02:23:34.120 --> 02:23:37.880 may set their sights on one dig site in particular. 02:23:37.880 --> 02:23:40.920 Located in the wetlands, just about well-darned excavation, 02:23:40.920 --> 02:23:42.880 you'll find a place trapped in time. 02:23:42.880 --> 02:23:46.320 Although we don't know much about it, but that's the point. 02:23:46.320 --> 02:23:48.760 A strange mist has been floating down from the mountains, 02:23:48.760 --> 02:23:51.160 and flashing lights have been spotted on the horizon. 02:23:51.160 --> 02:23:53.240 So there must be something up there. 02:23:53.240 --> 02:23:56.160 You'll check it out, won't you? 02:23:56.160 --> 02:24:00.080 I would make sure that you're in the levels 29 to 29. 02:24:00.080 --> 02:24:02.240 There are 24 to 29 range, I'd say, 02:24:02.240 --> 02:24:04.080 so you're prepared for what you might find. 02:24:04.080 --> 02:24:07.600 I'm sure the explorers league might be interested in those findings. 02:24:08.520 --> 02:24:10.460 But if you're not a fan of swamps, I understand. 02:24:10.460 --> 02:24:12.160 So how about something a bit more tropical? 02:24:13.320 --> 02:24:14.700 So this is the one we saw. 02:24:14.840 --> 02:24:20.100 So we talked about how Dungeon XP was nerfed and people seem to be up in arms 02:24:20.100 --> 02:24:24.880 about it, but the XP from quests has gone up substantially. 02:24:25.200 --> 02:24:28.280 So what I think what this is, um, now that I'm seeing all these 02:24:28.280 --> 02:24:32.100 dungeons being announced, like I said, I missed this panel, it makes more sense. 02:24:32.100 --> 02:24:35.940 What they want you to do is to go out in the world in quests and meet some friends, 02:24:35.940 --> 02:24:40.900 hit a dungeon at all of the quests, get a couple levels, and then just go to the next dungeon 02:24:40.900 --> 02:24:49.460 and have an experience that is new again versus just resetting the dungeon 16 times in a row, 02:24:49.460 --> 02:24:54.420 like Scarlet Monastery, and never leaving your same group, never going out in the world, 02:24:54.420 --> 02:24:59.140 never meeting new people, right? You're just stuck there. It's actually, 02:24:59.140 --> 02:25:02.740 it makes more sense because we have so many dungeons now in these level ranges. 02:25:02.740 --> 02:25:06.820 It's like do all of them once, maybe twice, do all the quests, get a ton of experience, 02:25:06.820 --> 02:25:11.540 but then like prepare yourself for that next one, you know? I really like that. 02:25:11.540 --> 02:25:16.500 These ancient troll ruins located off the coast of Stranglethorne Vale have been submerged in 02:25:16.500 --> 02:25:22.420 waves and inhabited by sea creatures for as long as I can remember. And I don't mean to alarm you, 02:25:23.460 --> 02:25:28.100 but those ruins have suddenly risen out of the ocean. You can see it just off the coast. 02:25:28.100 --> 02:25:30.700 It appears to be some sort of city? 02:25:30.700 --> 02:25:35.620 Well, one thing's for certain, we're going to need somebody to go in and make sure nothing 02:25:35.620 --> 02:25:37.460 to Therias is going on in there. 02:25:37.460 --> 02:25:41.940 I've heard reports that trolls and Naga have been spotted there, and I thought I saw a 02:25:41.940 --> 02:25:43.460 pirate ship crash into the place. 02:25:43.460 --> 02:25:44.460 And a shark. 02:25:44.460 --> 02:25:45.460 You know how they're doing. 02:25:45.460 --> 02:25:46.460 Big shark. 02:25:46.460 --> 02:25:50.380 Could be pretty dangerous, so I'd make sure you're at least around levels 35 to 40 before 02:25:50.380 --> 02:25:55.700 venturing into that place. 02:25:55.700 --> 02:25:59.300 I'm looking around the room and y'all look pretty tough. 02:25:59.300 --> 02:26:02.900 So if you want to head over to the World of Warcraft demo area, 02:26:02.900 --> 02:26:06.260 you can check out the Drown City today right here on the show floor. 02:26:07.380 --> 02:26:09.060 Yep, that was fun. Very fun. 02:26:09.940 --> 02:26:16.740 We were level 38 on the demo and it was tough. 02:26:16.740 --> 02:26:17.700 Like you guys watched it. 02:26:17.700 --> 02:26:22.980 If you pulled two packs, you're probably going to die, right? 02:26:22.980 --> 02:26:25.060 Keep in mind, it's a demo. 02:26:25.060 --> 02:26:26.380 So no one really had add-ons. 02:26:26.380 --> 02:26:27.380 No one had keybinds. 02:26:27.380 --> 02:26:28.580 No one had macros. 02:26:28.580 --> 02:26:30.580 You kind of hop into the demo, drag all your stuff 02:26:30.580 --> 02:26:31.820 to your bars, and go. 02:26:31.820 --> 02:26:33.780 And you have a 30-minute timer, and that expires. 02:26:33.780 --> 02:26:34.740 You're off. 02:26:34.740 --> 02:26:36.500 So that's why it was so hard to. 02:26:36.500 --> 02:26:40.380 Like, imagine you try to set up a character in four minutes 02:26:40.380 --> 02:26:41.740 and go. 02:26:41.740 --> 02:26:43.260 You don't know your new talents. 02:26:43.260 --> 02:26:45.420 You don't know all your keybinds set up. 02:26:45.420 --> 02:26:47.620 You kind of just go. 02:26:47.620 --> 02:26:49.580 Like, so yeah, a lot of wiping. 02:26:49.580 --> 02:26:51.500 But like, yeah, if you pull two or three packs, 02:26:51.500 --> 02:26:54.500 like you'll probably just die, which means CC is good, 02:26:54.500 --> 02:26:57.020 which is awesome, which means going slow 02:26:57.020 --> 02:26:58.980 and like pulling them off back, 02:26:58.980 --> 02:27:00.540 which is how it should feel. 02:27:00.540 --> 02:27:02.340 You don't want dungeons to be introduced 02:27:02.340 --> 02:27:04.260 and you just kind of like AOE them down, 02:27:04.260 --> 02:27:06.780 like this is sick, right, very cool. 02:27:06.780 --> 02:27:08.220 I'm sure though, once we get home 02:27:08.220 --> 02:27:11.100 and we min-max everything and you have like a group 02:27:11.100 --> 02:27:14.140 of like, you know, three mages, a lock and a priest 02:27:14.140 --> 02:27:16.380 or warrior, whatever, and you're just doing a perfect pull, 02:27:16.380 --> 02:27:19.340 like obviously it's gonna be a lot easier, but still, 02:27:19.340 --> 02:27:20.180 but still. 02:27:20.180 --> 02:27:30.180 Now, some players may find this prison familiar, and no, I'm not implying you're a bunch of 02:27:30.180 --> 02:27:31.180 criminals. 02:27:31.180 --> 02:27:36.820 Although, there may be a few devilish rogues among you, but no, this prison is famous because 02:27:36.820 --> 02:27:41.500 it's rumored to be the place where the Defias once held high-ranking nobles for ransom. 02:27:41.500 --> 02:27:46.260 It was at one point even rumored to have held King Varian Rin himself. 02:27:46.260 --> 02:27:50.340 In the past, we were able to go visit this location, but we couldn't actually go inside. 02:27:50.340 --> 02:27:52.540 In forever, of course, now you can. 02:27:52.540 --> 02:27:56.940 I don't even know if you consider going down there to clear the place out. 02:27:56.940 --> 02:28:00.940 There seemed to be some sort of conflict happening between the Defias and the Naga inside, so 02:28:00.940 --> 02:28:03.340 now would be an opportune time to move. 02:28:03.340 --> 02:28:07.260 You'll want to make sure you're ready to pull up a fight though, so a group's around 02:28:07.260 --> 02:28:09.860 level 48 to 53 should do it. 02:28:09.860 --> 02:28:16.220 Okay, so currently on Al-Qa'z Island, there's level 60 elites there, if I'm not mistaken. 02:28:16.220 --> 02:28:18.380 Someone correct me if I'm wrong. 02:28:18.380 --> 02:28:22.180 There's definitely like high level elites, right? 02:28:22.180 --> 02:28:25.180 So I wonder what their doctor weevils there 02:28:25.180 --> 02:28:26.440 and there's like 60 elites. 02:28:26.440 --> 02:28:28.480 So I would assume they're removing those 02:28:28.480 --> 02:28:30.860 if the dungeons for like 30s and 40s. 02:28:33.360 --> 02:28:34.980 There's an AQ quest that goes there, 02:28:34.980 --> 02:28:36.500 the .5 quest that goes there. 02:28:36.500 --> 02:28:38.380 So yeah, I would assume they have to remove that. 02:28:38.380 --> 02:28:41.060 But having a dungeon there is sick. 02:28:41.060 --> 02:28:42.980 Very, very, very sick. 02:28:42.980 --> 02:28:44.580 There's a raid boss there, weevil. 02:28:44.580 --> 02:28:47.380 Yeah, I've tried to kill Weevil before, unsuccessful. 02:28:47.380 --> 02:28:49.860 But that guy, that guy slaps. 02:28:51.180 --> 02:28:53.980 Ah, the Shapers Terrace. 02:28:53.980 --> 02:28:55.340 Where have I heard those words before? 02:28:55.340 --> 02:28:56.500 There's so many dungeons. 02:28:56.500 --> 02:28:57.340 Oh my gosh. 02:28:57.340 --> 02:28:58.180 And rather lichking classic, 02:28:58.180 --> 02:29:00.660 I recall there was an old Titan facility. 02:29:00.660 --> 02:29:03.100 Dude, is, was anyone expecting, 02:29:03.100 --> 02:29:04.700 how many dungeons is there? 02:29:04.700 --> 02:29:09.700 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. 02:29:10.860 --> 02:29:12.380 Is there nine new dungeons? 02:29:12.380 --> 02:29:16.380 Nine? Was anyone expecting nine new dungeons? 02:29:17.580 --> 02:29:19.080 I was expecting like... 02:29:22.480 --> 02:29:24.080 Three, four? 02:29:25.480 --> 02:29:26.780 Nine is crazy. 02:29:27.780 --> 02:29:29.280 Within a show was our basin. 02:29:29.680 --> 02:29:30.780 But were there others? 02:29:31.180 --> 02:29:32.180 What happened to them? 02:29:33.080 --> 02:29:36.480 Anyway, perhaps one of our most treacherous locations yet, 02:29:36.580 --> 02:29:40.880 in the hills of Unboro Crater, lies a place seemingly untouched by time. 02:29:40.880 --> 02:29:43.520 I've heard it described as, I quote, 02:29:43.520 --> 02:29:47.840 a whole lot like Jurassic Park, whatever that means. 02:29:47.840 --> 02:29:51.160 There are old Titan buildings scattered throughout the area, 02:29:51.160 --> 02:29:52.360 wildlife running amok, 02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:54.720 beautiful power crystals scattered throughout, 02:29:54.720 --> 02:29:56.480 and you guessed it, 02:29:56.480 --> 02:29:59.520 there must be some source of power here, right? 02:29:59.520 --> 02:30:01.320 Well, if you're interested, 02:30:01.320 --> 02:30:06.480 perhaps you can go in and investigate if your levels 58 to 60 maybe. 02:30:06.480 --> 02:30:12.640 I love I don't know why you would want to venture into a stronghold crawling with ogres 02:30:12.640 --> 02:30:13.880 But if you're into that sort of thing 02:30:13.880 --> 02:30:16.580 I've got the opportunity for you in the river glades 02:30:16.920 --> 02:30:22.160 Outrunners have been kidnapping folks and I've heard several ran faffings have occurred within the region 02:30:22.520 --> 02:30:28.960 Sturdy adventurers in the level 40 to 55 range could potentially put up a fight and and the ogres 02:30:29.400 --> 02:30:35.360 mischief in the region, but the war so 40 to 45 for this one is a perfect level range 02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:43.600 in between we were just talking about, SM and RFD kind of end at 40, 42, and you're just like, 02:30:43.600 --> 02:30:47.400 okay, I don't want to do it again. But an old man, you don't really want to be like that first half 02:30:47.400 --> 02:30:58.080 run and SM isn't, sorry, Zulfurok isn't until like 45 ish. So 40 to 45 is great. It's, yeah, 02:30:58.080 --> 02:31:02.520 Yeah, it's 45, 40 to 45, she misspoke, yeah. 02:31:02.520 --> 02:31:05.800 So 40 to 45, so it'll help you bridge that gap 02:31:05.800 --> 02:31:08.000 between SM and Zulfurok. 02:31:08.000 --> 02:31:10.440 So this is a key one, this is really good. 02:31:10.440 --> 02:31:13.760 Born in the twilight hours of the night, 02:31:13.760 --> 02:31:16.600 I've heard weird chanting coming from the place. 02:31:16.600 --> 02:31:17.960 Could it be cultists? 02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:24.440 But back to nature, in times past I could have sworn, 02:31:24.440 --> 02:31:27.760 I remember standing before a gate in Azhara 02:31:27.760 --> 02:31:30.420 and wonder what was on the other side. 02:31:30.420 --> 02:31:33.120 I tell you, but if you're around levels 55 to 60, 02:31:33.120 --> 02:31:35.160 you might as well go check it out for yourself. 02:31:35.160 --> 02:31:37.560 A great furbolg city lies within, 02:31:37.560 --> 02:31:40.200 but if you're familiar with the furbolg's plight, 02:31:40.200 --> 02:31:42.760 well, I suspect they might be struggling 02:31:42.760 --> 02:31:44.360 to stave off some sort of corruption. 02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:46.160 It could be very dangerous. 02:31:46.160 --> 02:31:48.040 The tunnels leading into Black Maw Hold 02:31:48.040 --> 02:31:50.880 run deep and wind far into the mountain. 02:31:50.880 --> 02:31:53.060 In fact, should you decide to explore these tunnels, 02:31:53.060 --> 02:31:55.880 you might find yourself in an entirely different 02:31:55.880 --> 02:31:57.360 kind of danger. 02:31:57.360 --> 02:32:01.040 Which brings us to our first raid. 02:32:01.040 --> 02:32:06.280 To the night elves, the Barrow Deep is a sacred place. 02:32:06.280 --> 02:32:09.120 While there may be a variety of barrow dens scattered 02:32:09.120 --> 02:32:13.040 throughout the land, it is said that the winding tunnels 02:32:13.040 --> 02:32:17.840 lead to one pivotal location we call the Barrow Deep. 02:32:17.840 --> 02:32:22.400 None truly know how far or how deep these tunnels run, 02:32:22.400 --> 02:32:24.720 but it must be massive. 02:32:24.720 --> 02:32:27.320 The night elves hold some of their most dangerous prisoners 02:32:27.320 --> 02:32:33.160 in this location. In fact, Rimmer has it. An infamous demon hunter was once kept here. 02:32:34.440 --> 02:32:40.360 Perhaps he'll get to see his prison. The night elves are hesitant to let anyone in, 02:32:40.360 --> 02:32:46.600 including allies. But I've heard that, like the furbolves of Black Maw Hold, they may be dealing 02:32:46.600 --> 02:32:53.240 with some sort of corruption. But these dangers are no joke. In fact, if I were you, I'd send no 02:32:53.240 --> 02:32:57.240 less than 10 of my greatest adventurers. 02:32:57.240 --> 02:33:00.140 But we've got more danger in store. 02:33:00.140 --> 02:33:03.440 At the Battle for Mount Hygel, Malfurion Stormrage 02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:06.440 chose to sacrifice the power sustaining the Night Elves 02:33:06.440 --> 02:33:09.520 immortality for a chance to defeat Legion Commander 02:33:09.520 --> 02:33:10.840 Archimonde. 02:33:10.840 --> 02:33:13.760 It worked, but I mean, holy smokes. 02:33:13.760 --> 02:33:15.920 Coming to terms with losing one's immortality 02:33:15.920 --> 02:33:16.880 mustn't be easy. 02:33:16.880 --> 02:33:19.680 And there must be some who disagree with his decision, 02:33:19.680 --> 02:33:20.960 right? 02:33:20.960 --> 02:33:22.560 Anyway, fast forward to today. 02:33:22.560 --> 02:33:24.880 and we're hearing reports that someone or something 02:33:24.880 --> 02:33:26.800 has been draining the power from the land surrounding 02:33:26.800 --> 02:33:28.280 the Paijil summit. 02:33:28.280 --> 02:33:31.240 Now, like the Barrow Deepes, you'll want to be prepared. 02:33:31.240 --> 02:33:34.840 If you were to send, say, 20 of your finest, 02:33:34.840 --> 02:33:39.000 I'd say you'd have a reasonable chance of surviving. 02:33:39.000 --> 02:33:41.400 This is by far our largest raid in Wau-Forever. 02:33:41.400 --> 02:33:43.880 Beautiful snowy peaks tower over the area. 02:33:43.880 --> 02:33:48.080 A raging river carves a path through ancient elven ruins. 02:33:48.080 --> 02:33:51.840 The whispering of ghosts from the Third War can be heard. 02:33:51.840 --> 02:33:59.420 Wow. There's plenty of adventure to be had and perhaps plenty of power to be had as well. 02:33:59.420 --> 02:34:01.920 Legendary power. 02:34:01.920 --> 02:34:04.120 Legendary quest. 02:34:04.120 --> 02:34:05.120 This is... 02:34:05.120 --> 02:34:06.120 Tier set. 02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:08.120 Wait, I haven't seen these. 02:34:08.120 --> 02:34:09.120 Craft and... 02:34:09.120 --> 02:34:10.240 That hunter one looks cool. 02:34:10.240 --> 02:34:15.360 That version is at an all time high between the horde and the alliance. Rest assured, 02:34:15.360 --> 02:34:16.360 you'll get to... 02:34:16.360 --> 02:34:21.000 Oh, is this the mage one? Shoot, I don't know if I like the mage one. Is that Druid? 02:34:21.000 --> 02:34:23.000 That one looks kinda cool. I don't feel like the major one at all. 02:34:23.000 --> 02:34:28.000 Do get out in the classic battlegrounds you've always known and loved, but we have something more for you. 02:34:29.000 --> 02:34:32.000 Off the coast of Kalimdor lies the Darkspear Islands. 02:34:32.000 --> 02:34:37.000 A strategic location for those seeking to gain an upper hand in the conflict. 02:34:37.000 --> 02:34:42.000 This is a 15 versus 15 battleground that follows the same rule set as Eye of the Storm. 02:34:42.000 --> 02:34:46.000 If you want to win, you'll need to control strategic positions throughout the islands. 02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:51.000 The catch is that this battleground features a rapy basin style capture points. 02:34:51.000 --> 02:34:55.000 You'll need to interact with a flag, then stand to defend it to secure that location. 02:34:55.000 --> 02:35:02.000 Or, you guessed it, you'll be joining the Dark Spear Trolls as they fight to eradicate the alliance from their islands. 02:35:02.000 --> 02:35:08.000 An alliance you are to report to the Theramore Expeditionary Force for deployment. 02:35:08.000 --> 02:35:10.000 We've also spent a lot of time- 02:35:10.000 --> 02:35:12.000 Wait, wait, wait, can someone- 02:35:12.000 --> 02:35:14.000 Wait, you're gonna get- 02:35:14.000 --> 02:35:16.760 Is there PvE mobs like a MOBA? 02:35:18.040 --> 02:35:19.680 So you're gonna be like PvPing, 02:35:19.680 --> 02:35:22.680 but there's also gonna be mobs coming through. 02:35:22.680 --> 02:35:23.980 Did I hear that right? 02:35:23.980 --> 02:35:25.260 It's like eye of the storm, 02:35:25.260 --> 02:35:28.340 but there's gonna be help from the trolls. 02:35:28.340 --> 02:35:30.120 Oh no, okay, okay, no, no. 02:35:30.120 --> 02:35:32.400 It's just like eats, okay. 02:35:32.400 --> 02:35:34.360 It's just like more like eats. 02:35:34.360 --> 02:35:35.440 Okay, I misunderstood. 02:35:35.440 --> 02:35:38.300 I thought you were gonna get like help from like trolls. 02:35:38.300 --> 02:35:41.640 Once you got the flag, then it would be harder to, okay. 02:35:41.640 --> 02:35:42.920 They get about classes. 02:35:42.920 --> 02:35:43.760 It's just a lore. 02:35:43.760 --> 02:35:47.000 Back in 2005 and 2006, the class team 02:35:47.000 --> 02:35:49.680 modestly redesigned several of the talent trees, 02:35:49.680 --> 02:35:52.480 such as priests, mage, hunter, druid. 02:35:52.480 --> 02:35:55.360 They made, the changes they made back then 02:35:55.360 --> 02:35:57.760 weren't really about making every class equally good 02:35:57.760 --> 02:35:58.600 at everything. 02:35:58.600 --> 02:36:01.700 Rather, they wanted each class to feel unique. 02:36:01.700 --> 02:36:04.920 They wanted to give us a reason to bring each class 02:36:04.920 --> 02:36:06.360 on our next adventure. 02:36:06.360 --> 02:36:11.000 Oh my gosh, I just, oh my gosh, that is so good. 02:36:11.000 --> 02:36:13.800 Classic philosophy is so good. 02:36:13.800 --> 02:36:17.560 Like, here's what happened somewhere along the lines. 02:36:17.560 --> 02:36:18.320 Right? 02:36:18.320 --> 02:36:24.920 Back in the day, if you wanted strong AOE and you were a rogue, 02:36:24.920 --> 02:36:27.840 you would re-roll to a class with strong AOE, 02:36:27.840 --> 02:36:29.040 if that's what you wanted. 02:36:29.040 --> 02:36:30.520 Because rogues were the best at, like, 02:36:30.520 --> 02:36:33.120 stealthing and ganking people and, like, world PVP. 02:36:33.120 --> 02:36:33.840 And that was cool. 02:36:33.840 --> 02:36:36.560 And they were great at, like, single-target DPS on a boss 02:36:36.560 --> 02:36:37.760 and PVE. 02:36:37.760 --> 02:36:39.880 But, like, you couldn't have it all. 02:36:39.880 --> 02:36:43.280 So if you don't like your class, go to one that you do. 02:36:43.280 --> 02:36:47.520 But somewhere along the lines, I don't know exactly, but it was like the slow trickle, 02:36:47.520 --> 02:36:52.800 especially in Legion when Mythic Plus came out, and afterwards, it was like, well, we 02:36:52.800 --> 02:36:55.760 can't just have a class with no AoE because Mythic Plus exists. 02:36:55.760 --> 02:37:00.680 We need to give every class AoE so that they can play and do big pulls, or else we can't 02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:04.680 just have rogues not compete at all in speed clearing dungeons. 02:37:04.680 --> 02:37:06.280 We need to give every class AoE. 02:37:06.280 --> 02:37:08.200 We need to give every class more mobility too, 02:37:08.200 --> 02:37:11.680 because then that Mythic Plus would just be like 02:37:11.680 --> 02:37:14.200 five mages, or like four mages and a priest. 02:37:14.200 --> 02:37:15.200 We can't have that. 02:37:15.200 --> 02:37:17.400 We need to have more class diversity in Mythic Plus. 02:37:17.400 --> 02:37:19.360 So let's give everyone a little more mobility, 02:37:19.360 --> 02:37:20.600 everyone a little more AOE, 02:37:20.600 --> 02:37:22.680 and it became this homogenized game. 02:37:22.680 --> 02:37:24.200 And I get it, right? 02:37:24.200 --> 02:37:25.600 In a modern game where Mythic Plus 02:37:25.600 --> 02:37:26.920 and there's rating on the line, 02:37:26.920 --> 02:37:28.800 you have to balance in this way. 02:37:28.800 --> 02:37:30.880 You have to give every class all these things, 02:37:30.880 --> 02:37:33.760 or else you just have to re-roll to the OP stuff. 02:37:33.760 --> 02:37:36.640 But in classic WoW, there is no rating system. 02:37:36.640 --> 02:37:40.120 It's like, you have a system where it's like, 02:37:40.120 --> 02:37:42.600 I have this class and this is what I do well, 02:37:42.600 --> 02:37:46.160 which also means this is what I don't do well, 02:37:46.160 --> 02:37:47.880 which is so critical. 02:37:47.880 --> 02:37:49.160 And it's like, if you don't like your class, 02:37:49.160 --> 02:37:50.700 then play the class you do like, 02:37:50.700 --> 02:37:52.800 instead of let's give everything to everyone. 02:37:52.800 --> 02:37:55.920 It's such a critical point, right? 02:37:55.920 --> 02:37:57.460 It's such a critical point. 02:37:59.200 --> 02:38:01.800 The changes we've made in classes and WoW forever, 02:38:01.800 --> 02:38:03.400 follow that same spirit. 02:38:03.400 --> 02:38:06.840 We want to cover gaps where they exist, but we don't want... 02:38:06.840 --> 02:38:08.960 What do mages not do well? 02:38:08.960 --> 02:38:10.960 That's not the point. 02:38:10.960 --> 02:38:13.960 To erase what makes each class unique. 02:38:13.960 --> 02:38:23.520 For example, Paladins, there's a new seal that allows you to tank a bit more effectively. 02:38:23.520 --> 02:38:29.400 If healings your jam, you might find talents that enable you to do a bit, just a bit, of 02:38:29.400 --> 02:38:31.760 group healing. 02:38:31.760 --> 02:38:35.560 The threat paladins, I don't know. 02:38:35.560 --> 02:38:36.920 Maybe now's your time to shine. 02:38:40.040 --> 02:38:42.440 We've moved away from talents that simply give you 02:38:42.440 --> 02:38:44.520 small incremental improvements, and have instead 02:38:44.520 --> 02:38:46.840 tried to give you talents that you'd notice. 02:38:46.840 --> 02:38:48.400 You may find yourself in situations 02:38:48.400 --> 02:38:51.200 where you're making real, meaningful trade-offs, 02:38:51.200 --> 02:38:53.960 depending on how you want to build your character. 02:38:53.960 --> 02:38:55.400 But that's not all. 02:38:55.400 --> 02:38:56.400 Waffle River is huge. 02:38:56.400 --> 02:38:58.560 And you've got hundreds of brand new items 02:38:58.560 --> 02:39:01.320 to look forward to, including all sorts of really fun 02:39:01.320 --> 02:39:03.980 an exciting on use and on equip effects. 02:39:03.980 --> 02:39:04.820 Okay. 02:39:06.680 --> 02:39:08.060 I want to pause here. 02:39:08.060 --> 02:39:10.920 I'm a little nervous about Power Creep. 02:39:10.920 --> 02:39:12.380 I've told Blizzard this, 02:39:12.380 --> 02:39:15.400 but like something like White Mane's Chappelle, 02:39:15.400 --> 02:39:16.360 I'm saying that wrong, 02:39:17.620 --> 02:39:20.160 20 healing power, seven damage done, 02:39:20.160 --> 02:39:22.000 reduces the cast time of spells and effects 02:39:22.000 --> 02:39:24.800 that were five targets by 20, that's fine. 02:39:24.800 --> 02:39:29.340 I'm a little nervous about Power Creep 02:39:29.340 --> 02:39:33.700 If items at this level are gonna be this strong, 02:39:33.700 --> 02:39:35.040 like in Season of Discovery, 02:39:35.040 --> 02:39:38.540 they kind of made items in BFD so good 02:39:38.540 --> 02:39:40.540 that like they just had to keep making them stronger 02:39:40.540 --> 02:39:42.380 and stronger and like that's scary. 02:39:42.380 --> 02:39:44.980 I'm a little nervous about Power Creep. 02:39:47.980 --> 02:39:50.020 Little nervous about it, definitely. 02:39:51.260 --> 02:39:56.260 Crave for Robert's shovel, 3.7 speed, one or two top end, 02:39:56.300 --> 02:39:59.180 attack power, attack power against Undead. 02:39:59.180 --> 02:40:01.460 dig up a grave usable at Ravenhill Cemetery 02:40:01.460 --> 02:40:04.980 in Scarlet Monastery graveyard, 20 charges. 02:40:06.380 --> 02:40:09.340 So I don't know exactly what that does, 02:40:09.340 --> 02:40:12.740 but what I do really like about this 02:40:12.740 --> 02:40:14.620 is that you're giving an item, 02:40:14.620 --> 02:40:19.100 a specific unique use that's like kind of cool 02:40:19.100 --> 02:40:22.840 in a specific area of the world. 02:40:22.840 --> 02:40:27.140 This is an example of horizontal progression, in fact. 02:40:27.140 --> 02:40:32.540 For example, you might replace this shovel, it's a level 23, 02:40:32.540 --> 02:40:36.460 you might replace the shovel at 27, but whatever this does, 02:40:36.460 --> 02:40:42.140 might be pretty darn good if you happen to be in SMGY at level 29, 02:40:42.300 --> 02:40:46.180 so you could keep it to use the on use even though you replace the item. 02:40:47.700 --> 02:40:49.140 This kind of stuff is awesome. 02:40:50.180 --> 02:40:53.180 This kind of stuff is very, very, very cool. 02:40:53.780 --> 02:40:54.540 Need bank space? 02:40:54.540 --> 02:40:55.580 Yeah, that'll be the big problem. 02:40:55.580 --> 02:40:57.100 We definitely need much larger banks. 02:40:57.140 --> 02:41:00.740 but like horizontal progression style stuff is very cool. I like that. 02:41:01.460 --> 02:41:04.660 Touch of the Grave. Your spells and attacks. So this is just the retail one. 02:41:04.660 --> 02:41:09.540 I don't know if I'm a big fan of this for Classic. This is just the copy pasted 02:41:09.540 --> 02:41:11.700 Touch of the Grave from Retail. I don't know if I love this. 02:41:13.540 --> 02:41:19.460 It's an unnoticeable thing. It's like 4% of your damage, 3%. I don't know. I don't know if I love it. 02:41:19.460 --> 02:41:24.100 Big game hunter damage dealt versus beast increased by five 02:41:24.820 --> 02:41:31.360 Like that's okay. That's kind of whatever title charm stuns targets for three Naga are sent for five and are fun 80% of the cooldown 02:41:31.540 --> 02:41:33.440 Huh? 02:41:33.440 --> 02:41:35.440 interesting, okay, and 02:41:35.980 --> 02:41:40.200 Then a throwing weapon okay for example check out this short from cutlery 02:41:40.200 --> 02:41:46.800 I found backstage which you could equip as your farm weapon and possibly related we have this grave robbers shovel for 02:41:46.800 --> 02:41:51.800 you know, when you want to dig a grave. 02:41:51.800 --> 02:41:54.800 Anyway, we've gone through and made a variety of updates 02:41:54.800 --> 02:41:57.800 and existing items and rewards throughout the games. 02:41:57.800 --> 02:42:00.800 Check out the title charm, now super effective against certain sea dwellers, 02:42:00.800 --> 02:42:05.800 and White Mane's Chippewa, which has increased the healing and damage done 02:42:05.800 --> 02:42:09.800 alongside a reduction in the past time of resurrection spells. 02:42:09.800 --> 02:42:12.800 Now, let me touch on race abilities in WoW Forever. 02:42:12.800 --> 02:42:15.800 We want to give you reasons to want to spin up a new character 02:42:15.800 --> 02:42:19.560 character and embark on a new journey, which is why we've done a pass over 02:42:19.560 --> 02:42:24.160 race abilities to make them feel more distinct, more unique, such that each race 02:42:24.160 --> 02:42:29.760 has something special to bring that other races do not. You can see a sneak 02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:33.920 peek of a few of our upcoming racial passives, a 5% increase of damage dealt 02:42:33.920 --> 02:42:37.560 against beasts if you're a dwarf, and a 5% chance to drain health from your 02:42:37.560 --> 02:42:41.280 target if you're undead, but I highly encourage you to check out tomorrow's 02:42:41.280 --> 02:42:45.960 wow forever deep dive panel where my friends will go into a lot more detail 02:42:45.960 --> 02:42:53.000 on what I've teased today but I'm an introvert and it's time for me to call 02:42:53.000 --> 02:42:57.000 back into the shadows from whence I came so I'm gonna go ahead and hand things 02:42:57.000 --> 02:43:01.040 off to our wonderful production director playstone who'll share even more fun 02:43:01.040 --> 02:43:03.040 an exciting WoW Forever updates. 02:43:03.040 --> 02:43:05.040 Play hard! 02:43:05.040 --> 02:43:06.040 Nora, crush it! 02:43:06.040 --> 02:43:07.040 Obviously, shit! 02:43:07.040 --> 02:43:08.040 Bye! 02:43:09.040 --> 02:43:10.040 Alright, and here we go! 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:11.040 I missed this panel! 02:43:11.040 --> 02:43:14.040 This is actually the most important, biggest panel I missed it! 02:43:14.040 --> 02:43:15.040 This is crazy! 02:43:15.040 --> 02:43:17.040 There's a lot here! 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:23.040 How did I miss this one? 02:43:23.040 --> 02:43:25.040 I hit everything at BlizzCon besides this. 02:43:25.040 --> 02:43:28.040 The reason I missed this one is I was playing the demo. 02:43:28.040 --> 02:43:33.540 Like, they said, oh, you can play the demo right when this panel went live. 02:43:33.540 --> 02:43:36.160 And I was like, should I watch the panel or play and everyone wanted me to play. 02:43:36.160 --> 02:43:37.680 So I was playing the demo. 02:43:37.680 --> 02:43:38.680 Thanks, Nora. 02:43:38.680 --> 02:43:44.680 And hello, BlizzCon! 02:43:44.680 --> 02:43:48.080 My name is Clay Stone, and I'm the Associate Production Director. 02:43:48.080 --> 02:43:50.280 Someone in the chat goes, dude has two minerals. 02:43:50.280 --> 02:43:51.280 That's a name. 02:43:51.280 --> 02:43:52.780 What a Chad. 02:43:52.780 --> 02:43:54.280 Clay Stone. 02:43:54.280 --> 02:43:55.280 Yeah. 02:43:55.280 --> 02:43:56.280 Yeah. 02:43:56.280 --> 02:43:59.560 On the WoW Classic and WoW Forever team. 02:43:59.560 --> 02:44:06.720 So we've talked a lot about things you might be expecting, but let's take a minute and 02:44:06.720 --> 02:44:11.320 talk about some things perhaps you weren't expecting. 02:44:11.320 --> 02:44:15.520 Let's start with our rendering updates. 02:44:15.520 --> 02:44:19.920 You have to see a bit of this in our gameplay trailer during the opening ceremony, and admittedly 02:44:19.920 --> 02:44:21.840 we went pretty hard. 02:44:21.840 --> 02:44:26.400 That every zone is going to be set at sunrise or sunset all the time. 02:44:26.400 --> 02:44:30.200 But I want to make a bold, controversial statement. 02:44:30.200 --> 02:44:35.240 We believe WoW Classics art style is timeless. 02:44:35.240 --> 02:44:41.320 Which is why our focus was not on changing the game art, but on small ways we could push 02:44:41.320 --> 02:44:46.600 specifically things like the environmental effects. 02:44:46.600 --> 02:44:50.720 Such as the way rivers now flow in Elwynn Forest. 02:44:50.720 --> 02:44:56.100 pretty cool. I can't believe the crowd didn't cheer there. That's like sick. 02:44:56.100 --> 02:45:06.240 Or the way the fog rolls into duskwood at night. Or the way the moonlight now 02:45:06.240 --> 02:45:16.220 breaks through the leaves of the trees in Ashenvale. It's the same original 02:45:16.220 --> 02:45:23.580 Asroth that players fell in love with all those years ago with just a few small but powerful 02:45:23.580 --> 02:45:30.940 effects updates to make it more immersive than ever. Next, let's talk. I wonder what kind of 02:45:31.500 --> 02:45:37.820 customization options are in the game. Like for example with lighting, if you turn everything 02:45:37.820 --> 02:45:45.260 down to like one or zero or off or whatever if there's like on off, I wonder if the game almost 02:45:45.260 --> 02:45:49.100 looks like the original game, and if you just start turning this up, if it just starts to 02:45:49.100 --> 02:45:55.420 feel more lively. For example, fog. Is there a fog slider? Is there a fog on off? Is there 02:45:55.420 --> 02:46:02.460 a fog 1 through 10? Like, because that's interesting. I don't know. Right? A foggle, 02:46:02.460 --> 02:46:07.580 a foggle, so to speak. Yeah, a toggle for the fog. That's right. If there is, that's pretty cool. 02:46:07.580 --> 02:46:12.160 You know because then you can kind of customize these things 02:46:14.160 --> 02:46:16.160 Camping 02:46:16.760 --> 02:46:23.880 So in addition to the new professions content arriving elsewhere in while forever with camp. Oh you guys are all linking this 02:46:26.400 --> 02:46:28.400 Graphics slider, this is Savics 02:46:29.920 --> 02:46:31.920 Oh, we try everything 02:46:32.040 --> 02:46:34.040 Yeah, I'll show you like 02:46:34.080 --> 02:46:36.080 Wait a minute my game 02:46:37.580 --> 02:46:42.320 wait a minute how is he here my game doesn't didn't have the options to change 02:46:42.320 --> 02:46:56.560 the graphics oh so no graphic actually looks very similar to how it did oh my 02:46:56.560 --> 02:47:00.640 god this looks like a private server yeah yeah no graphics actually looks very 02:47:00.640 --> 02:47:06.320 similar to how it did so my my game client I try to do this this was all 02:47:06.320 --> 02:47:12.160 great out. I couldn't do this. So if you want to just turn off all of the graphics, it is kind of 02:47:12.160 --> 02:47:19.040 like OG. It looks worse. Well, right. Yeah, it looks worse. Okay, so let's take a look at these 02:47:19.040 --> 02:47:25.600 options. Secondary lighting. Oh, you see, you can change secondary lighting. Few distance, 02:47:26.960 --> 02:47:32.800 projection textures, spell density, texture, outline depth, SS AO Park, let's say liquid, 02:47:32.800 --> 02:47:37.760 detail shadow. I wonder about Fog. I wonder where Fog kind of plays in here. Pretty cool though. 02:47:39.120 --> 02:47:42.000 Pretty cool that you can actually mess around with some of those. Anyway, I'll keep watching. 02:48:02.800 --> 02:48:05.400 nurturing and protecting social experiences, 02:48:05.400 --> 02:48:08.440 this is one of those things we're talking about. 02:48:08.440 --> 02:48:10.640 And because players need to sit there for a moment 02:48:10.640 --> 02:48:12.680 before they gain any buffs, 02:48:12.680 --> 02:48:17.680 maybe, just maybe, they just might talk to each other. 02:48:18.440 --> 02:48:20.280 True. 02:48:20.280 --> 02:48:22.240 Like, so this is one of the reasons 02:48:22.240 --> 02:48:24.120 I really liked boats being added, 02:48:24.120 --> 02:48:25.680 I like more boats being added, 02:48:25.680 --> 02:48:27.560 because boats are one of the features of the game 02:48:27.560 --> 02:48:29.520 where like you have to run up and wait for a boat 02:48:29.520 --> 02:48:31.400 for like 30 seconds or a minute or two minutes 02:48:31.400 --> 02:48:33.120 if you're unlucky even longer. 02:48:33.120 --> 02:48:36.720 And like, that's when you might inspect someone's gear 02:48:36.720 --> 02:48:41.020 or send a duel out or just chat for a second 02:48:41.020 --> 02:48:42.880 where you headed or whatever. 02:48:42.880 --> 02:48:44.800 Like creating moments where you actually have to just 02:48:44.800 --> 02:48:46.440 sit there for a second is sick. 02:48:46.440 --> 02:48:48.280 It slows the pace down. 02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:51.400 Contrast this to retail where there's ports everywhere, 02:48:51.400 --> 02:48:56.400 flying mounts go 300%, actually 700% now, 600, 02:48:57.160 --> 02:48:59.840 like it goes so fast that there's never any downtime 02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:01.680 actually just sit there and chat. 02:49:01.680 --> 02:49:05.240 I really, really enjoy things like this 02:49:05.240 --> 02:49:07.440 or things like waiting for a boat 02:49:07.440 --> 02:49:08.960 or waiting for a Zeppelin 02:49:10.280 --> 02:49:13.000 instead of just teleporting everywhere. 02:49:13.000 --> 02:49:15.560 Dude, I also really appreciate the fact 02:49:15.560 --> 02:49:20.560 that we have some SD characters here 02:49:21.520 --> 02:49:24.700 instead of the HD retail models. 02:49:25.720 --> 02:49:26.840 Looking very fine. 02:49:26.840 --> 02:49:41.440 legacy system. If camping is us doubling down on trade skills and community, WoW Forever's 02:49:41.440 --> 02:49:48.040 new legacy system will see us tripling down on an element of classic that is only found 02:49:48.040 --> 02:49:54.840 in classic, the one to 60 leveling journey. For as epic as Endgame is, and I promise 02:49:54.840 --> 02:50:02.360 you while forever's endgame is epic. We know that there are some players who just love the 02:50:02.360 --> 02:50:14.960 classic leveling journey. It's actually crazy. The majority of players in classic era, just 02:50:14.960 --> 02:50:21.200 like level hit 60, they might attune for a raid, get their pre-biss, hit a raid or two, 02:50:21.200 --> 02:50:27.840 and quit. That is the majority of people. It's not actually a subset. It is the game 02:50:27.840 --> 02:50:35.160 for most. Obviously a lot of people raid too and that's awesome. So many people do this. 02:50:35.160 --> 02:50:41.040 It's crazy. So building the game around this is huge. 02:50:41.040 --> 02:50:46.600 Although the legacy system benefits everyone, it very much aids players who love to run 02:50:46.600 --> 02:50:54.360 alts as they unlock new perks across their alts by achieving new goals on each new leveling journey. 02:50:55.320 --> 02:51:01.000 We are really excited about this one and how well it fits in the classic wild design philosophy. 02:51:02.360 --> 02:51:07.000 Now, I'd like to switch gears and talk about the community. 02:51:07.720 --> 02:51:12.200 The legacy system we already covered, there's things I like and don't like. 02:51:12.200 --> 02:51:16.920 Like the big one that I don't like is talent points starting at level five. 02:51:16.920 --> 02:51:21.480 I think that's too impactful, especially at a low level, especially for like 19 twink 02:51:21.480 --> 02:51:26.640 battle crowns, especially for like the deadlines like early on, you just have way stronger 02:51:26.640 --> 02:51:30.040 abilities or like you're doing SM at 35 and you have a 40 capstone talent. 02:51:30.040 --> 02:51:33.880 Like I don't know, I don't like that, but I like the rest. 02:51:33.880 --> 02:51:35.280 Um, okay. 02:51:35.280 --> 02:51:41.800 And if there's one thing I've learned in my time as part of this community, 02:51:41.800 --> 02:51:47.600 it's that players love to debate what is and is not classic. 02:51:47.600 --> 02:51:54.640 Players discuss in social, in forums, and even make polls. 02:51:55.040 --> 02:52:01.800 And if there's one thing every player agrees on, it's what is classic plus. 02:52:01.800 --> 02:52:11.040 I took this survey, I was like, oh my gosh, yes, Blizzard is going to see this and we're 02:52:11.040 --> 02:52:15.520 going to be able to have proof and say, look, this is what we want, Blizzard, now you can 02:52:15.520 --> 02:52:16.520 do it. 02:52:16.520 --> 02:52:24.480 In reality, after looking at this data, it's like, it's the exact opposite of what I thought. 02:52:24.480 --> 02:52:29.480 Oh my gosh, like it's literally proving 02:52:31.320 --> 02:52:33.040 that like nobody knows what they want. 02:52:33.040 --> 02:52:34.640 Like that's hilarious, bro. 02:52:35.800 --> 02:52:37.400 Yep, yep. 02:52:37.400 --> 02:52:38.520 Okay, I didn't realize. 02:52:38.520 --> 02:52:40.360 Okay, so this was when that happened. 02:52:40.360 --> 02:52:43.840 Okay, that's kind of crazy. 02:52:43.840 --> 02:52:46.640 They, that was on my mind about big stage. 02:52:46.640 --> 02:52:49.200 Okay, yeah, that makes me a little nervous. 02:52:50.200 --> 02:52:51.480 Kind of sick though too. 02:52:51.480 --> 02:52:52.480 Same shirt. 02:52:53.520 --> 02:52:54.440 Let me see. 02:52:54.440 --> 02:52:55.920 You know, it's actually a different shirt. 02:52:55.920 --> 02:52:56.760 See the color? 02:52:56.760 --> 02:52:58.280 This one's a bit wider. 02:52:58.280 --> 02:53:01.080 That color is actually kind of more like that. 02:53:01.080 --> 02:53:01.920 Yeah. 02:53:01.920 --> 02:53:05.000 It's also, this shirt's a slightly different color, too. 02:53:05.000 --> 02:53:08.760 If you look at the color, that's a little different. 02:53:08.760 --> 02:53:10.560 But I see what you guys are trying to say. 02:53:10.560 --> 02:53:11.400 What do they want? 02:53:11.400 --> 02:53:12.880 Like, that's hilarious, bro. 02:53:16.880 --> 02:53:20.880 So, since we're all in agreement on what we want, 02:53:20.880 --> 02:53:29.800 Let's talk TRANSMog! 02:53:29.800 --> 02:53:35.560 So they use that clip to basically be like, look guys, you're pretty split on this one. 02:53:35.560 --> 02:53:41.040 Like, okay. 02:53:41.040 --> 02:53:46.280 Now some of you are saying, yes, finally. 02:53:46.280 --> 02:53:47.280 This is my moment. 02:53:47.280 --> 02:53:48.780 I feel seen. 02:53:48.780 --> 02:53:54.280 But we know, some of you are saying Transmog? 02:53:54.280 --> 02:53:56.820 Not in my classic plus. 02:53:56.820 --> 02:53:59.700 True. That's me, yeah. 02:53:59.700 --> 02:54:04.140 We say, is it too much to ask for both? 02:54:04.500 --> 02:54:08.860 In WoW Forever, Transmog is entirely opt-in. 02:54:08.860 --> 02:54:10.860 If you want to turn it on, it's on, 02:54:10.860 --> 02:54:14.100 and everyone you see in the world can look their very best. 02:54:14.100 --> 02:54:16.380 But for classic players, 02:54:16.380 --> 02:54:20.380 Especially those of us who enjoy world PVP. 02:54:20.380 --> 02:54:25.380 Many of us want to see other players for who they truly are and what they've accomplished. 02:54:25.380 --> 02:54:27.380 So, turn it off. 02:54:28.380 --> 02:54:30.380 And it's clown suits for everyone. 02:54:30.380 --> 02:54:32.380 Yeah! Okay, okay. 02:54:32.380 --> 02:54:38.380 Like, look, bro, I like, I respect the toggle, bro. 02:54:38.380 --> 02:54:40.380 Like, I think this is smart. 02:54:40.380 --> 02:54:43.380 Look, I'm the guy that's like, I would rather just have it out completely, 02:54:43.380 --> 02:54:45.300 but for people that like only play the game 02:54:45.300 --> 02:54:47.420 for like fashion or whatever, like whatever. 02:54:47.420 --> 02:54:51.740 But like, dude, the toggle is sick. 02:54:51.740 --> 02:54:54.540 For any of these decisions Blizzard is facing, 02:54:54.540 --> 02:54:56.740 where it's like this 50-50 split 02:54:56.740 --> 02:54:57.940 and you don't know what to do, 02:54:57.940 --> 02:55:00.300 the toggle is the key thing here. 02:55:00.300 --> 02:55:02.940 You just do both and you give the player the choice. 02:55:02.940 --> 02:55:06.060 Like it's so nice, so, so, so sick. 02:55:09.980 --> 02:55:12.600 Yeah, we have Transmog. 02:55:13.380 --> 02:55:16.520 The toggle for that the fog, you know, this and that 02:55:18.220 --> 02:55:23.580 Could be nice could be who knows top position though 02:55:30.420 --> 02:55:36.180 Throughout the world you decide there is a lot more to learn about the classic 02:55:36.460 --> 02:55:40.400 Modifications we've made to this system for those who choose to use it 02:55:40.400 --> 02:55:49.400 Stop by tomorrow's deep dive panel to learn a lot more about this as well as the camping and legacy systems and much more. 02:55:49.400 --> 02:55:57.400 So the big two toggles that we have right now are Transmog toggle on off and SDHD character models toggle on off. 02:55:57.400 --> 02:56:01.400 Is there anything I'm missing? Are those the big two? 02:56:01.400 --> 02:56:04.400 With graphics, of course, you can turn them up and down, but that's pretty standard. 02:56:04.400 --> 02:56:06.400 I think those are the big two. 02:56:06.400 --> 02:56:10.560 I think that they should add a third one, a UI toggle. 02:56:12.040 --> 02:56:15.240 If they had a UI toggle, SDHD and transmog toggles, 02:56:15.240 --> 02:56:16.720 those are the big three, I think. 02:56:16.720 --> 02:56:19.360 The UI toggle, I think is, 02:56:19.360 --> 02:56:21.640 like am I blowing this out of proportion? 02:56:21.640 --> 02:56:22.880 I think a UI toggle is sick. 02:56:22.880 --> 02:56:24.560 Yes, you can get an add-on. 02:56:24.560 --> 02:56:27.560 But like the baseline experience, if you log in 02:56:27.560 --> 02:56:29.880 and right away you're hit with the retail UI, 02:56:29.880 --> 02:56:31.800 oh, it's not really the retail UI, 02:56:31.800 --> 02:56:34.880 but a lot of elements of the retail UI, let's be honest, 02:56:34.880 --> 02:56:37.800 Like, it's quite painful, right? 02:56:37.800 --> 02:56:41.600 I think having that toggle would be sick. 02:56:41.600 --> 02:56:44.120 I would love a toggle for a classic UI. 02:56:44.120 --> 02:56:46.060 That would be dope. 02:56:46.060 --> 02:56:47.120 Then you have a both. 02:56:47.120 --> 02:56:49.440 Like, for the people that want the modern one, you have it. 02:56:49.440 --> 02:56:51.320 For the people that like the classic one, you have it. 02:56:51.320 --> 02:56:52.840 That would be great. 02:56:52.840 --> 02:56:55.960 For now, let me move on to another absolutely not 02:56:55.960 --> 02:57:00.240 at all controversial topic, character models. 02:57:00.240 --> 02:57:02.960 Yeah. 02:57:02.960 --> 02:57:06.720 Now, many players enjoy WoW's newer HD character models, 02:57:06.720 --> 02:57:09.580 but many of us also feel that Classic's art style 02:57:09.580 --> 02:57:13.880 is timeless, as I said before, and deserves to be preserved, 02:57:13.880 --> 02:57:17.000 which is why we've made it completely toggleable, game-wide. 02:57:17.000 --> 02:57:22.640 Your character, the NPCs, other player characters, together, 02:57:22.640 --> 02:57:25.360 unified in either HD or SD. 02:57:25.360 --> 02:57:27.440 For fellow Classic players, that means 02:57:27.440 --> 02:57:30.520 you get to see all the beloved original races rendered 02:57:30.520 --> 02:57:33.560 in their glorious original SD designs. 02:57:33.560 --> 02:57:36.100 And for those of you who prefer a more modern aesthetic, 02:57:36.100 --> 02:57:38.720 you can go with the modern HD designs. 02:57:38.720 --> 02:57:40.240 You choose what you see. 02:57:41.460 --> 02:57:45.520 Oh, and there is one more thing. 02:57:47.920 --> 02:57:49.760 We feel like classics animations 02:57:49.760 --> 02:57:52.480 are just as important as its art style. 02:57:52.480 --> 02:57:56.200 Here, you will see a newer modern HD dwarf 02:57:56.200 --> 02:57:58.680 running with its modern animation sets. 02:57:58.680 --> 02:58:06.200 Now, let me show you that same HD dwarf running while attached to the classic animation sets. 02:58:06.200 --> 02:58:07.200 So good. 02:58:07.200 --> 02:58:08.200 So good. 02:58:08.200 --> 02:58:14.880 Dude, I want to pull this, but I swear they should just take this one and push it to retail. 02:58:14.880 --> 02:58:19.680 Like, I don't want to speak for all retail players here, but I feel like this just is 02:58:19.680 --> 02:58:22.160 objectively better, man. 02:58:22.160 --> 02:58:26.560 Like just, just bring this one to, no one likes the bounce, bounce, bounce, bro. 02:58:26.560 --> 02:58:28.600 Like, just bring this one to retail. 02:58:28.600 --> 02:58:33.640 this one out completely from read like this one is just so much better. I am so proud 02:58:33.640 --> 02:58:40.600 to announce that we have gone back and painstakingly restored the classic animations you know and 02:58:40.600 --> 02:58:51.000 love across the game's HD character models. That is awesome. That is a massive W man. 02:58:51.000 --> 02:58:54.000 No bouncy dwarves in the skin. 02:58:54.000 --> 02:58:55.000 Nice. 02:58:55.000 --> 02:58:56.000 So let's see. 02:58:56.000 --> 02:59:02.000 We talked about a few new zones, the new race, nine new dungeons, two new raids, classes, 02:59:02.000 --> 02:59:03.000 systems. 02:59:03.000 --> 02:59:07.000 But friends, this is only a glimpse of WoW forever. 02:59:07.000 --> 02:59:14.000 We simply don't have enough time to talk about new professions content, new reputations, 02:59:14.000 --> 02:59:20.000 all the new itemization rewards updates blowing up much of the old meta, the new piece of 02:59:20.000 --> 02:59:23.000 the new PVP system, 02:59:24.000 --> 02:59:26.000 our first new legendary, 02:59:28.000 --> 02:59:33.000 our change to riding skill to preserve that classic, classic moment 02:59:33.000 --> 02:59:36.000 when you finally earn your right to ride your first mount, 02:59:37.000 --> 02:59:43.000 our official support of game pads for players who prefer to play using controllers, 02:59:44.000 --> 02:59:47.000 playable this weekend on the show floor in an in-development state by the way, 02:59:47.000 --> 03:00:00.240 way. And of course, the integration of previously unfinished and unused vanilla wow content. 03:00:00.240 --> 03:00:05.680 So good. So good. I can't believe I missed this panel. This is all just amazing. But 03:00:05.680 --> 03:00:14.560 that's all now. I want to take a second to talk about where we're going. We have learned 03:00:14.560 --> 03:00:20.880 a lot since season of discovery, including the benefits of a strong roadmap, which is 03:00:20.880 --> 03:00:24.960 why we are building WALF Forever in the way it was originally conceived back in the early 03:00:24.960 --> 03:00:33.160 2000s, but with everything we've learned for the past 25 years. A fast-paced production 03:00:33.160 --> 03:00:42.320 for a slow-paced game, which will allow us to deliver where we go from here. We have 03:00:42.320 --> 03:00:44.300 big plans for the coming months. 03:00:44.300 --> 03:00:47.000 You will see new raids unlock on December 9th, 03:00:47.000 --> 03:00:50.120 followed by even more new raids, new dungeons, 03:00:50.120 --> 03:00:54.280 PvP updates, world content, and so much more. 03:00:54.280 --> 03:00:59.280 All in addition to the original Vanilla WoW content. 03:01:00.360 --> 03:01:03.520 And this includes new quests throughout the leveling 03:01:03.520 --> 03:01:06.640 one through 60 journey, as we add 03:01:06.640 --> 03:01:09.800 to this horizontally expanding 03:01:09.800 --> 03:01:12.600 Evergreen Classic Azeroth. 03:01:12.600 --> 03:01:15.080 Oh my God, bro. 03:01:15.080 --> 03:01:16.440 I like that. 03:01:16.440 --> 03:01:17.840 Yeah, I'm going to have him say that again, 03:01:17.840 --> 03:01:20.560 because that was the perfect sentence right there. 03:01:20.560 --> 03:01:27.160 So this horizontally expanding Evergreen Classic Azeroth. 03:01:27.160 --> 03:01:30.920 Horizontally expanded Evergreen Classic Azeroth. 03:01:30.920 --> 03:01:34.000 I mean, that is the perfect sentence. 03:01:34.000 --> 03:01:35.920 That's exactly what we wanted, man. 03:01:35.920 --> 03:01:38.320 Holy crap. 03:01:38.320 --> 03:01:41.920 Yes. What a great sentence. 03:01:44.520 --> 03:01:49.920 And I want to take a second to briefly point to that major updates box right 03:01:49.920 --> 03:01:51.520 there in summer at the far end. 03:01:52.220 --> 03:01:55.720 It's a few words there that say revamped iconic raid. 03:01:56.720 --> 03:01:59.520 There's been a lot of speculation about when this game could take place, 03:01:59.520 --> 03:02:02.920 which is why I want to reiterate that this game takes place at the beginning 03:02:02.920 --> 03:02:04.520 of World of Warcraft until. 03:02:04.520 --> 03:02:11.520 Oh yeah, by the way, I'm sure Soda already touched on this, but this being the hardcore flag, 03:02:13.520 --> 03:02:22.520 probably means hardcore drops in summer. I think they talked about that at some point, right? Hardcore's coming out later. Summer hardcore flag, right? Summer? 03:02:23.520 --> 03:02:30.520 No, wrong. Oh, it's in winter. Oh, why would this, does this not look like the hardcore flag? All right, we'll keep watching then. 03:02:30.520 --> 03:02:37.240 men. The story is authentic to that time period. The original iconic raids that you know and love 03:02:37.240 --> 03:02:41.400 have not opened yet and we're excited for you to rediscover them in the future. 03:02:43.160 --> 03:02:47.880 But friends this is just a taste of the year of the year ahead and not even a peak at where 03:02:47.880 --> 03:02:53.960 we're planning to go beyond this. However big you think this game is based on what you've seen so 03:02:53.960 --> 03:03:00.120 far I promise you it is so much bigger than that. Our ambition is mighty but most importantly 03:03:00.120 --> 03:03:04.120 We have room to pivot based on community feedback. 03:03:04.120 --> 03:03:18.120 We are building this game with you, and we are not just building for today, 03:03:18.120 --> 03:03:21.120 but for something that lasts. 03:03:21.120 --> 03:03:26.120 And nothing is off the table, not even a new class. 03:03:26.120 --> 03:03:35.720 Going back to this road map, you may have noticed there's a big gap right there, right 03:03:35.720 --> 03:03:37.760 around the winter time frame. 03:03:37.760 --> 03:03:39.360 Let's discuss that. 03:03:39.360 --> 03:03:42.400 But first, I want to take a second to talk about a picture. 03:03:42.400 --> 03:03:48.400 A picture that was framed and has hung on my wall at Blizzard since 2023. 03:03:48.400 --> 03:03:54.940 Our core represented a turning point for us as a team. 03:03:54.940 --> 03:03:58.700 We had tried a few things before it, and as Ian covered, we've absolutely tried new things 03:03:58.700 --> 03:03:59.700 since. 03:03:59.700 --> 03:04:04.100 But Hardcore represented the moment when Blizzard and the community came together and showed 03:04:04.100 --> 03:04:08.620 not only why World of Warcraft is one of the greatest games ever made, but why that 03:04:08.620 --> 03:04:14.860 original adventure still holds so much promise for where we could go in the future. 03:04:14.860 --> 03:04:23.580 Which is why I'm also so proud to announce that Hardcore will be coming too loud forever. 03:04:23.580 --> 03:04:25.580 Oh my god. 03:04:25.580 --> 03:04:29.260 Alright guys, yeah. 03:04:29.260 --> 03:04:30.940 Content lineup is going to be insane. 03:04:30.940 --> 03:04:36.580 We're going to play WoW Forever until Hardcore WoW Forever and then we're going to play Hardcore 03:04:36.580 --> 03:04:37.580 WoW Forever. 03:04:37.580 --> 03:04:39.580 We're going to play Forever Hardcore WoW Forever. 03:04:39.580 --> 03:04:44.820 So we're going to play Forever Forever then Forever Hardcore WoW Forever. 03:04:44.820 --> 03:04:45.820 Back and forth. 03:04:45.820 --> 03:04:50.340 And when there's new content updates, I'll play it normal first on normal WoW Forever 03:04:50.340 --> 03:04:57.060 first and play with my guild and clear it and then once we get bored we'll do it on hardcore 03:04:57.060 --> 03:05:01.300 and then we'll just do it on normal on the next one and then do it on hardcore again and we'll just 03:05:01.300 --> 03:05:06.980 be bouncing back between hardcore and normal forever forever. There it is. 03:05:06.980 --> 03:05:21.940 Please check out the Hardcore panel tomorrow for a look at Wow Forever Hardcore. 03:05:21.940 --> 03:05:25.820 To me, Hardcore was the start of a promise. 03:05:25.820 --> 03:05:28.820 And Wow Forever is not some experimental c- 03:05:28.820 --> 03:05:31.820 Wait, okay, so this is vague. 03:05:31.820 --> 03:05:36.740 Okay, does this flag not look like hardcore to you guys? 03:05:37.700 --> 03:05:40.100 Okay, I guess this one looks way more like hardcore, 03:05:40.100 --> 03:05:41.620 but this one's also black. 03:05:43.620 --> 03:05:46.020 No, okay, whatever, whatever, that's not the point. 03:05:46.020 --> 03:05:49.580 The point is, between winter and spring, what is this? 03:05:49.580 --> 03:05:52.380 So this is December 9th, it's after December 9th, 03:05:52.380 --> 03:05:57.380 but before spring, it's like January? 03:06:00.980 --> 03:06:03.700 January, February? 03:06:03.700 --> 03:06:06.220 So this is only things three. 03:06:06.740 --> 03:06:09.020 Right, this is only things three. 03:06:10.220 --> 03:06:11.060 I would assume. 03:06:11.060 --> 03:06:12.620 I mean, I'm sure SOTA has talked about it, 03:06:12.620 --> 03:06:15.700 but like that's gonna be insane. 03:06:15.700 --> 03:06:17.860 That is going to be absolutely, 03:06:17.860 --> 03:06:19.340 like right when this launches, 03:06:19.340 --> 03:06:23.580 it will probably be only things three, day one, right? 03:06:25.420 --> 03:06:27.580 Leaked, I'm sure SOTA has talked about that. 03:06:27.580 --> 03:06:29.060 There's no way. 03:06:29.060 --> 03:06:31.380 There's no way SOTA hasn't talked about that. 03:06:31.380 --> 03:06:35.100 We've literally said we're waiting for Classic Plus, 03:06:35.100 --> 03:06:38.580 because remember only things three was supposed to be in TBC and we pushed it. 03:06:41.700 --> 03:06:42.200 There we go. 03:06:42.900 --> 03:06:43.600 He hasn't. 03:06:43.600 --> 03:06:49.000 Dude, there's a 0% chance, so it hasn't said only things three is with Classic Plus. 03:06:49.000 --> 03:06:52.600 Come on, guarantee you trolls. 03:06:52.600 --> 03:06:54.000 I'm not leaking anything. 03:06:54.000 --> 03:06:55.700 It was the start of a promise. 03:06:56.600 --> 03:07:01.100 And WoW Forever is not some experimental seasonal realm nor some recreation of 03:07:01.100 --> 03:07:02.200 where we've already been. 03:07:02.200 --> 03:07:07.200 Wow Forever as a name and a logo represents a promise. 03:07:07.200 --> 03:07:13.200 And if you happen to pick up the collector's edition, we hope you love the logo on the box. 03:07:13.200 --> 03:07:18.200 And when you open that box, we hope you love it on the game box. 03:07:18.200 --> 03:07:22.200 And when you see what else is inside that box, we hope you love... 03:07:22.200 --> 03:07:24.200 That's sick. 03:07:24.200 --> 03:07:31.200 We hope you love your very own dwarf and bear statue, which signifies where this all began. 03:07:31.200 --> 03:07:37.200 not just with hardcore, but also way back in November of 2004. 03:07:38.880 --> 03:07:42.480 Bro, that, I've never bought a collections edition before. 03:07:43.600 --> 03:07:45.520 This one kind of makes me want to. 03:07:45.520 --> 03:07:47.280 Like, I wonder the scale of that. 03:07:47.280 --> 03:07:49.520 Like, that is so cool, bro. 03:07:50.320 --> 03:07:51.600 That is so cool. 03:07:51.600 --> 03:07:52.320 It's sold out. 03:07:55.520 --> 03:07:56.960 Yellow me send some DMs here. 03:07:56.960 --> 03:07:59.040 Blizzard, we gotta save one of these, man. 03:07:59.040 --> 03:08:00.400 We gotta send some DMs here. 03:08:00.400 --> 03:08:09.680 like blizzard I might need one of these are you kidding me yo yo because that that is sick 03:08:11.440 --> 03:08:12.960 that is really cool 03:08:16.080 --> 03:08:22.880 on behalf of the wild classic team and the entire world of warcraft team thank you 03:08:22.880 --> 03:08:32.480 you. When I started on Classic, our dream was to get here. We are here because of you. 03:08:32.480 --> 03:08:36.160 Thank you for being here. Thank you for your feedback. Thank you for believing in this 03:08:36.160 --> 03:08:42.040 dream. I'll see you in-game on November 4th. Beta starts this Thursday and you can play 03:08:42.040 --> 03:08:48.160 the demo here today. Have a great rest of your day everyone. 03:08:48.160 --> 03:08:53.760 Bro, I can't believe I missed that. 03:08:53.760 --> 03:08:56.120 Are you kidding me? 03:08:56.120 --> 03:08:58.760 I actually can't believe I missed that. 03:08:58.760 --> 03:09:00.880 That panel was legendary. 03:09:00.880 --> 03:09:02.080 That gave us like all the info. 03:09:02.080 --> 03:09:04.720 Okay, now I feel like we can even talk about more. 03:09:04.720 --> 03:09:05.720 Very good panel. 03:09:05.720 --> 03:09:06.720 Very, very good panel. 03:09:06.720 --> 03:09:08.520 Did I watch the hardcore panel? 03:09:08.520 --> 03:09:09.880 Yeah, I watched everything else. 03:09:09.880 --> 03:09:11.280 This is the only one I missed. 03:09:11.280 --> 03:09:16.680 The reason I missed it is because I was playing the game on the floor. 03:09:16.680 --> 03:09:17.840 Very, very safe panel. 03:09:17.840 --> 03:09:19.220 I need that statue of my life. 03:09:19.220 --> 03:09:21.380 Yeah, I kind of need that one too. 03:09:21.380 --> 03:09:24.180 Am I going to do a PvP server or a normal PvP? 03:09:24.180 --> 03:09:25.580 Have you seen this fog trailer? 03:09:25.580 --> 03:09:27.140 I think I probably have. 03:09:30.620 --> 03:09:35.220 Between the well-worn pages of the history we know, 03:09:35.220 --> 03:09:38.060 lie the stories we haven't heard. 03:09:43.380 --> 03:09:47.300 Countless adventures, untold. 03:09:47.300 --> 03:09:49.460 Wait a minute, is this? 03:09:49.460 --> 03:09:50.960 Oh, it's a parody video. 03:09:52.220 --> 03:09:53.300 Oh, it's a parody video. 03:09:53.300 --> 03:09:56.100 I was like, I thought you linked me something 03:09:56.100 --> 03:09:57.620 from the Warcraft YouTube, 03:09:57.620 --> 03:09:59.420 and I'm like, bro, I can't see anything. 03:09:59.420 --> 03:10:02.780 I thought this was legit from BlizzCon. 03:10:02.780 --> 03:10:05.100 I was like, dude, there's no way. 03:10:05.100 --> 03:10:08.100 The time when it all began 03:10:08.100 --> 03:10:12.220 through the hidden paths in ancient forests, 03:10:12.220 --> 03:10:15.980 above and beyond the million peaks, 03:10:15.980 --> 03:10:18.420 Your journey awaits. 03:10:19.420 --> 03:10:21.260 Let the drum use of the war. 03:10:21.260 --> 03:10:22.740 I can't see anything! 03:10:22.740 --> 03:10:24.740 And I can't see anything! 03:10:25.620 --> 03:10:26.620 Forever. 03:10:31.140 --> 03:10:32.620 Wow, fuck, Amber. 03:10:33.900 --> 03:10:36.060 Is there any fuck in the layer? 03:10:37.060 --> 03:10:39.340 Distance, for very particular purpose. 03:10:39.340 --> 03:10:41.340 Related to game of war. 03:10:41.340 --> 03:10:43.340 HAHAHAHAHA 03:10:43.340 --> 03:10:45.340 Bro, that is legendary 03:10:45.340 --> 03:10:47.340 Oh my gosh 03:10:49.340 --> 03:10:51.340 Bro, that is so good 03:10:51.340 --> 03:10:52.340 Holy crap 03:10:52.340 --> 03:10:54.340 Oh man, guys, I lost my voice 03:10:54.340 --> 03:10:56.340 and then it came back and I feel like I'm losing it again 03:10:56.340 --> 03:10:58.340 Oh no 03:10:58.340 --> 03:11:00.340 Oh gosh 03:11:00.340 --> 03:11:02.340 Yeah, I totally thought that was legit 03:11:02.340 --> 03:11:04.340 When you said have I seen this, I was like, yeah, I mean if it's 03:11:04.340 --> 03:11:06.340 it was at BlizzCon, I probably saw it 03:11:06.340 --> 03:11:15.620 between the well-worn page you just can't see anything ally or horde in the 03:11:15.620 --> 03:11:20.740 beta I actually don't know for the beta I'll see whatever one wants to do I 03:11:20.740 --> 03:11:23.540 actually wouldn't mind doing horde for the beta since I'm gonna play ally at 03:11:23.540 --> 03:11:28.860 launch yeah I don't know I don't know I wouldn't mind I don't care about the 03:11:28.860 --> 03:11:32.780 beta man like we'll just play play both play whatever 03:11:32.780 --> 03:11:39.740 Yeah, thanks for the prime and can we see your mage filled on forever talents calm. Yeah, can you say 03:11:42.820 --> 03:11:44.820 Dude 03:11:45.300 --> 03:11:50.540 How hype is that? Wow forever. Oh 03:11:52.620 --> 03:11:56.660 My gosh, it's just separate from classic 03:11:56.660 --> 03:12:04.500 Retail you just have this forever button. Oh main game. Yeah, this will be the main game for for for forever 03:12:06.140 --> 03:12:09.320 Yeah, let's take a look at these talents. So I haven't covered these yet 03:12:11.460 --> 03:12:13.460 Starter edition yeah, I haven't bought it yet 03:12:16.140 --> 03:12:18.140 And I kind of kind of get that 03:12:21.180 --> 03:12:23.180 All right, I 03:12:23.180 --> 03:12:29.500 I don't like they put HC too early. What do you mean? I think like having it to latest kind of nice 03:12:31.660 --> 03:12:33.660 Change gender at the hairdresser 03:12:34.980 --> 03:12:38.580 And I don't think we're supposed to change the body type to 03:12:41.180 --> 03:12:44.780 And I don't think we're supposed to change the body type to 03:12:48.700 --> 03:12:51.820 Like it's one thing if there's a oh skin cut oh 03:12:53.180 --> 03:12:59.380 Okay, I don't like that from the barber. You could change everything like maybe just you know how in catta 03:12:59.380 --> 03:13:04.340 I think it was catta where it was only hair color and style like that's one thing 03:13:05.460 --> 03:13:07.560 Yeah, I don't I don't like that 03:13:09.000 --> 03:13:13.780 Why not the reason it's important and I covered this a bit ago, but we'll say it again 03:13:15.020 --> 03:13:19.720 The reason it's a point of conversation is like when you're playing classic Wow 03:13:19.720 --> 03:13:22.800 and you see someone run by and they're that little gnome 03:13:23.760 --> 03:13:27.600 with green pigtails with a certain name you can like 03:13:28.120 --> 03:13:32.440 Point them out and be like oh, that's that guy I ran the dungeon with it's the gnome with the green pigtails 03:13:32.440 --> 03:13:35.840 Right and you can continue to see these like familiar faces 03:13:35.840 --> 03:13:37.840 And I think as soon as you can start changing 03:13:38.560 --> 03:13:44.980 Gender hair style color face features job you get to just change your whole character whenever you want 03:13:44.980 --> 03:13:47.720 it just kind of gets a little troll. 03:13:47.720 --> 03:13:49.300 So I don't like that. 03:13:49.300 --> 03:13:52.160 Now, if they just did the hairstyle, 03:13:52.160 --> 03:13:55.000 kind of like the catabarber, I think that's like okay. 03:13:55.000 --> 03:13:58.180 But doing everything, I mean, I wouldn't vote for it. 03:13:59.980 --> 03:14:01.880 Joma, thanks for the tier one, man. 03:14:01.880 --> 03:14:03.540 Two days, thanks for the bit saying, 03:14:03.540 --> 03:14:06.200 wrong calculator, use talentsforever.com. 03:14:07.280 --> 03:14:10.880 So instead of wow forever talents, it's talentsforever. 03:14:10.880 --> 03:14:13.920 Is there better, are these ones wrong? 03:14:13.920 --> 03:14:15.120 I'm already on this site. 03:14:22.720 --> 03:14:24.160 It's less broken. 03:14:27.040 --> 03:14:28.680 Talents forever. 03:14:30.160 --> 03:14:31.600 You guys want this one? 03:14:31.600 --> 03:14:33.200 Oh wow, dude, wow. 03:14:33.200 --> 03:14:35.040 This website is really well made. 03:14:35.040 --> 03:14:36.060 Geez. 03:14:37.200 --> 03:14:39.160 This looks like very legit. 03:14:39.160 --> 03:14:40.840 Holy crap. 03:14:40.840 --> 03:14:41.680 All right. 03:14:41.680 --> 03:14:46.720 I think it's it's made by AI. I mean it's it looks 03:14:48.820 --> 03:14:53.080 Looks a lot better than the other side this one looks very clean. I will say that all right, um 03:14:55.920 --> 03:14:58.860 Let me turn my audio down just a tad 03:14:59.980 --> 03:15:05.500 Okay, so let's take a look at Mage talents. Um, I've already seen them 03:15:05.500 --> 03:15:13.140 add BlizzCon, but it's hard to like think when there's like so much noise and this and that. 03:15:13.140 --> 03:15:18.900 So now that we're home, let's take a look at the Mage talents. I've looked at, 03:15:18.900 --> 03:15:24.100 I actually looked at all the talents across the board, and there's some like Paladin that 03:15:24.100 --> 03:15:28.700 have like completely reworked like so many changes, like I don't want, I don't know, 03:15:28.700 --> 03:15:33.940 of 10 or 20 changes, like almost everything is a little different, like new, different, 03:15:33.940 --> 03:15:41.180 new, like, like almost everything, whereas Mage is one of those where there's a handful 03:15:41.180 --> 03:15:51.380 of changes, almost like, like four changes, like Iceland's fingers, a frost, missile Parage, 03:15:51.380 --> 03:15:56.420 hot streak, like four changes, like across the entire, like all the trees. 03:15:56.420 --> 03:16:04.100 said that majors were already in a great spot and they don't need a lot of changes, right? 03:16:04.100 --> 03:16:08.960 Arcane blast dudes, maybe like five, like they don't need as much love. But let's let's 03:16:08.960 --> 03:16:17.820 take a look anyway. Do a compare button. Oh, there's a compare button compared to classic. 03:16:17.820 --> 03:16:26.340 Oh, cool. Oh my gosh, whoever made this website crush it. Moved same effect. Classic is that 03:16:26.340 --> 03:16:27.440 and forever is that. 03:16:27.440 --> 03:16:29.440 Oh wow, this website is incredible. 03:16:29.440 --> 03:16:31.100 Holy crap. 03:16:31.100 --> 03:16:32.140 Thanks, Cloud. 03:16:32.140 --> 03:16:32.980 Wow. 03:16:34.900 --> 03:16:36.620 Wait, is it Cloud or Claude? 03:16:36.620 --> 03:16:38.420 Claude, Cloud, Claude? 03:16:38.420 --> 03:16:39.780 Claude, it's probably Claude. 03:16:41.700 --> 03:16:42.540 Whoa. 03:16:45.220 --> 03:16:46.060 Anyway. 03:16:47.700 --> 03:16:49.380 That's not the point. 03:16:49.380 --> 03:16:52.980 The point is there's not that many changes here on Mage. 03:16:52.980 --> 03:16:54.020 Okay. 03:16:54.020 --> 03:16:55.980 Maybe I will actually just keep this up. 03:16:56.340 --> 03:17:03.380 Okay, increases your damage with wands hit chance with arcane and improve channeling gives you chance to interrupt 03:17:05.220 --> 03:17:10.140 Um, this also now extends to arcane blast whereas before was just missiles. I think that's good 03:17:10.340 --> 03:17:13.220 So like in terms of arcane, I'm actually 03:17:13.900 --> 03:17:17.820 Like generally happy with the arcane flow. Why? 03:17:18.620 --> 03:17:21.900 You have arcane blast which procs arcane 03:17:21.900 --> 03:17:29.140 barrage, which gives you a really compelling reason to then use arcane missiles. You have 03:17:29.140 --> 03:17:38.700 arcane explosion for AOE. You have presence of mind and arcane power as like these big 03:17:38.700 --> 03:17:46.380 damage burst cooldowns, right? So you have cooldowns, you have procs and you have a rotation 03:17:46.380 --> 03:17:51.200 and the rotation is not one button and it's also not 10 buttons, it's going to be maybe 03:17:51.200 --> 03:17:56.080 two or three, right? For classic, well, this makes a lot of sense. I actually quite like it. 03:17:57.040 --> 03:18:05.520 I don't have much criticism here. It's very basic. It's very bland. It's not like crazy 03:18:05.520 --> 03:18:11.600 complicated. It's just like, cool, okay, we're just going to be sending out arcane blasts. 03:18:11.600 --> 03:18:18.000 It stacks up. We're going to be sending missiles. When we get these barrage procs, 03:18:18.000 --> 03:18:25.960 There's no arcane barrage, by the way, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't mind it. 03:18:25.960 --> 03:18:31.760 Fire, wake a fire, reduces the cooldown of your fire blast by one second, two 03:18:31.760 --> 03:18:35.880 seconds, and killing a non-trivial target increases the critical strike 03:18:35.880 --> 03:18:41.560 chance of your next fire blast and then 20 seconds by 50%. Okay, so let me just 03:18:41.560 --> 03:18:47.920 start by saying fire is one of the trees that I think needs some work. Fire, when 03:18:47.920 --> 03:18:54.100 I played it is literally just spam fireball. You're not really going to use scorch in a 03:18:54.100 --> 03:18:59.800 dungeon or while leveling. You would use it like end game PvE, but not really while leveling. 03:18:59.800 --> 03:19:03.640 Pyro Blast, you never really got a chance to use while leveling because you never really 03:19:03.640 --> 03:19:08.640 got procs, which we'll talk about in a second. So it's literally one button still. That's 03:19:08.640 --> 03:19:13.360 problematic. It should probably be at least two, maybe three, maybe four, but like, you 03:19:13.360 --> 03:19:19.440 not 10 and not 1, right? 1 is not good enough. So that's fire is problematic. Let's talk about 03:19:19.440 --> 03:19:29.360 this first talent. This talent is problematic. Why? This is essentially the same talent as rogues have. 03:19:29.360 --> 03:19:35.520 This is essentially remorseless attacks. After killing a non-trivial enemy, it gives you an 03:19:35.520 --> 03:19:41.680 increased crit chance. Why does this work for rogue? This works for rogue because they aren't mana users. 03:19:41.680 --> 03:19:44.180 This works for Rogue because they're energy users. 03:19:44.180 --> 03:19:48.280 After you get a kill, you can stealth and get crit on your next ambush. That's huge. 03:19:48.280 --> 03:19:50.480 With Mage, this talent doesn't work. 03:19:51.680 --> 03:19:53.880 You need to drink in between pulls. 03:19:53.880 --> 03:19:56.780 Fire Blast is a very high mana spell ability. 03:19:56.780 --> 03:19:59.280 You can't use Fire Blast on cooldown or else you're um. 03:19:59.280 --> 03:20:02.380 And after you kill a mob, you need to drink, so it's gonna be off. 03:20:02.380 --> 03:20:05.480 This needs to be either removed or reworked. It's not good. 03:20:06.580 --> 03:20:10.180 It's completely removed, honestly. Just rework the whole thing. 03:20:10.180 --> 03:20:12.020 This should just be replaced. 03:20:12.020 --> 03:20:15.060 Incineration, don't mind it. 03:20:15.060 --> 03:20:17.780 Good, early crit. 03:20:17.780 --> 03:20:20.100 Fireball, cast time. 03:20:20.100 --> 03:20:21.180 Frostfirebolt, cast time. 03:20:21.180 --> 03:20:24.300 So if they bring a Frostfirebolt spec in, I'm very happy. 03:20:24.300 --> 03:20:28.580 I'm one of those players that always enjoyed using Frostfirebolt 03:20:28.580 --> 03:20:31.300 because it was a really, really cool thing 03:20:31.300 --> 03:20:35.980 to double dip with ice shards and ignite. 03:20:40.180 --> 03:20:42.820 Where is Ignite? 03:20:42.820 --> 03:20:47.100 Now that I have like time to actually sit here, oh here it is. 03:20:47.100 --> 03:20:51.940 So yeah, double dipping ice shards and Ignite is just a really cool thing. 03:20:51.940 --> 03:20:58.780 So for me, the Frost Firebolt build with ice shards, with piercing ice, with frost channeling, 03:20:58.780 --> 03:21:04.580 but also benefiting from Ignite, improved fireball, hot streak, just cool. 03:21:04.580 --> 03:21:09.700 So I hope, I really hope we can do a build like this. 03:21:09.700 --> 03:21:16.700 I'm just theory-crafting. 03:21:16.700 --> 03:21:22.700 Okay, so you would get fingers of frost. 03:21:22.700 --> 03:21:25.700 So your frosts, fire bolts can proc fingers of frost. 03:21:25.700 --> 03:21:28.700 That could benefit from shatter on fingers of frost. 03:21:28.700 --> 03:21:32.700 That could benefit from piercing ice, frost, channeling and ice shards, and elemental precision. 03:21:32.700 --> 03:21:34.700 So that's what you would get in frost. 03:21:34.700 --> 03:21:38.700 And then fire, you would go fireball, increase crit, ignite. 03:21:38.700 --> 03:21:44.700 and then pyro and hot streak. 03:21:44.700 --> 03:21:52.700 I'm just kind of spitballing here, but like something and then master of elements and critical mass 03:21:52.700 --> 03:21:56.700 and probably improve scorch and probably firepower. 03:21:56.700 --> 03:22:01.700 Yeah, this build would be so fun. 03:22:01.700 --> 03:22:04.700 This build would be so fun to play. 03:22:04.700 --> 03:22:06.700 So basically you're spamming 03:22:07.340 --> 03:22:10.020 Frost fire bolt the frost fire bolts gonna crit 03:22:10.700 --> 03:22:14.720 It's gonna proc ignite. You have your ice lance with your fingers of frost 03:22:15.500 --> 03:22:21.520 You have your stacking hot streaks for pyro blast you send the pyro which is gonna get ignite and crit 03:22:21.520 --> 03:22:25.380 I would love that anyway. Um, that's not what we're talking about right now 03:22:25.380 --> 03:22:30.760 We're talking about the fire tree. So I don't like wake of fire. I do so incineration improved fireball 03:22:30.760 --> 03:22:36.480 impact, flame throwing, ignite. Not a lot has changed here. Hot streak. You're 03:22:36.480 --> 03:22:39.800 non-periodic critical strikes with fireball, frost fireball, fire blasts, 03:22:39.800 --> 03:22:43.840 and scorch grant hot streak. Hot streakers the cast mark pyro by 25 stacking up to 03:22:43.840 --> 03:22:51.920 three times. Okay, so let's talk about the redesigned hot streak. 25 up to three 03:22:51.920 --> 03:22:56.920 times is not an instant pyroblast. 03:23:00.760 --> 03:23:05.420 Oh, it doesn't get consumed. 03:23:05.420 --> 03:23:08.220 I didn't realize it didn't get consumed. 03:23:08.220 --> 03:23:14.180 So when you get hot streak, it's 15 seconds period. 03:23:14.180 --> 03:23:17.340 So you just start spamming pyros over and over. 03:23:17.340 --> 03:23:18.340 It's not meant to be. 03:23:18.340 --> 03:23:20.100 Do you guys think it's one pyro? 03:23:20.100 --> 03:23:21.620 And they typoed this? 03:23:21.620 --> 03:23:26.860 Or do you think it's just 15 seconds of spamming pyro? 03:23:26.860 --> 03:23:28.020 It's probably one. 03:23:28.020 --> 03:23:34.100 probably supposed to be one. Okay, so let's assume it's one and it's a typo. I 03:23:34.100 --> 03:23:40.660 can't imagine it's more than one. Okay, so basically it's only one Pyroblast 03:23:40.660 --> 03:23:51.180 that you cast quickly. But to get there you need three crits. In low-level 03:23:51.180 --> 03:24:00.500 level dungeons effectively, what this means is nothing. Three crits at low level is pretty 03:24:00.500 --> 03:24:05.580 much not happening before the mob is going to die unless it's on a boss. This is a dead 03:24:05.580 --> 03:24:11.940 talent in a dungeon while leveling. So you're one to 60 experience. This is also kind of 03:24:11.940 --> 03:24:18.340 a dead talent in killing one mob for a quest, a non elite mob for a quest, getting three 03:24:18.340 --> 03:24:23.380 crits is a dead talent. It's a dead talent. You're not going to get three crits before 03:24:23.380 --> 03:24:28.140 the mob said. Maybe if you did three, four, five mobs in a row, you would get a chance 03:24:28.140 --> 03:24:35.140 to do one pyro at a quick cast. That doesn't feel good. I think fire needs work. This as 03:24:35.140 --> 03:24:41.620 this currently is, this is, this is not good. This is a one button spec and this chance to 03:24:41.620 --> 03:24:46.340 press that second button almost never happens outside of end game rating. This needs work. 03:24:46.340 --> 03:24:53.220 is not good how it currently is. So hot streak needs changed again. I think this is not good as 03:24:53.220 --> 03:25:01.220 is and wake of fire needs changed. Everything else is how it is in classic. So the two new things 03:25:01.220 --> 03:25:10.420 they added wake of fire and hot streak need changed. So we're going to need to think about 03:25:10.420 --> 03:25:12.580 how this changed, like what do we actually do here? 03:25:14.900 --> 03:25:15.700 What do we actually do here? 03:25:17.140 --> 03:25:19.540 Wake of fire as fine as is, I completely disagree. 03:25:19.540 --> 03:25:21.140 I covered that about two minutes ago. 03:25:21.700 --> 03:25:23.860 I definitely do not like wake of fire. 03:25:26.660 --> 03:25:28.580 Okay, let's keep reading down the tree. 03:25:31.460 --> 03:25:32.260 Improve fire board. 03:25:33.060 --> 03:25:35.300 Okay, improve scorch. 03:25:38.420 --> 03:25:39.940 Okay, critical mass. 03:25:39.940 --> 03:25:41.620 Okay. Blast wave. 03:25:49.460 --> 03:25:58.820 Okay. Everything's about the same. Firepower. Okay. Combust. When activated, this spell causes each 03:25:58.820 --> 03:26:04.580 of your fire damage spell hits to increase your critical strike chance with fire spells by 10%. 03:26:04.580 --> 03:26:11.680 10% and this effect lasts until you have caused four non periodic crits with fire spells so from three to four, okay 03:26:12.780 --> 03:26:16.140 Wow, this website's amazing. Holy crap. This website is so good 03:26:18.700 --> 03:26:21.900 reread that one which one combust from three to four yeah 03:26:24.980 --> 03:26:30.620 Fire plus damage and mana cost reduce which one's that I'm wake a fire 03:26:34.580 --> 03:26:41.640 Ignite man this website is goaded holy moly dude 03:26:46.200 --> 03:26:51.600 People are spamming like reread it, but I don't know if like there's a specific talent you want me to reread out loud for you guys 03:26:53.180 --> 03:26:56.140 Thoughts can crit now. Yeah, true true 03:26:56.140 --> 03:27:05.640 Everyone just keeps trying to re-read it, but I don't know if there's like one that that you guys want me to re-read out loud 03:27:08.060 --> 03:27:10.060 Okay 03:27:12.500 --> 03:27:16.060 Yep, that looks good this one's a dish 10% threat to 03:27:16.060 --> 03:27:26.580 Hot streak, not three crits, you're non periodic critical strikes with fireball, frost fireball, 03:27:26.580 --> 03:27:30.780 fire blast and scorch grant hot streak. Hot streak reduces the cast time of pyro by 25, 03:27:30.780 --> 03:27:37.220 stacking up to three times. Yeah, got it. Yep, exactly what we thought it was when 03:27:37.220 --> 03:27:41.900 we read it the first time. But if you guys miss it, I can read it a third time if you want. 03:27:41.900 --> 03:27:43.460 Oh, that's, okay. 03:27:46.900 --> 03:27:48.260 So fire needs some love. 03:27:48.260 --> 03:27:50.020 I think Hot Shriek needs another redesign. 03:27:50.020 --> 03:27:51.700 Wake a fire, don't like it. 03:27:51.700 --> 03:27:54.220 For the reasons we already talked about, 03:27:54.220 --> 03:27:55.260 Nuke and Bust is fine. 03:27:55.260 --> 03:27:56.100 Fire needs a lot of love. 03:27:56.100 --> 03:27:57.780 Arcane like it, fire needs love. 03:27:57.780 --> 03:27:59.180 Let's go to Frost. 03:27:59.180 --> 03:28:00.020 Okay. 03:28:03.020 --> 03:28:05.740 Frost Warding increases the armor and resistance 03:28:05.740 --> 03:28:09.700 given by your Frost Armor and Ice Armor spells by 30%. 03:28:09.700 --> 03:28:10.740 In addition, it gives your Frost Ward 03:28:10.740 --> 03:28:12.260 20% chance to reflect spells. 03:28:12.260 --> 03:28:13.920 Okay. 03:28:13.920 --> 03:28:15.840 Improved Frostbolt, got it. 03:28:15.840 --> 03:28:16.980 Cast faster. 03:28:18.200 --> 03:28:20.380 Hit chance, it just says hit now. 03:28:20.380 --> 03:28:23.120 Cool, easy, got it, five points. 03:28:24.320 --> 03:28:28.380 It is 5% now, versus three, 03:28:28.380 --> 03:28:31.040 it was three points at 2% before something. 03:28:31.040 --> 03:28:33.220 Okay, fine enough, fair enough. 03:28:34.860 --> 03:28:37.180 Orisa the Cool on a Nova, got it. 03:28:37.180 --> 03:28:39.820 Frostbite unchanged, permafrost. 03:28:40.740 --> 03:28:42.740 Releases the target speed by national three 03:28:44.620 --> 03:28:49.480 So it's just percentage based now I wonder how that like plays out but very similar crit chance got it 03:28:50.420 --> 03:28:52.620 same frost channeling same 03:28:54.180 --> 03:28:59.700 Ice lance, okay, so let's talk about ice lance for a second. It's it's what we expected 03:29:00.180 --> 03:29:07.040 It's boring, but it's ice lance. I like it. I don't mind it. I think ice lance is cool 03:29:07.040 --> 03:29:15.600 Um, they could have done something way different. I don't mind this. Yeah. Frost is one of those 03:29:15.600 --> 03:29:20.840 specs, you know, it's like Iceland's is just so, it's almost hard to design frost without it. Like 03:29:20.840 --> 03:29:25.960 it almost, I don't know, it makes a lot of sense. It's just very good. I like, I like it. I don't 03:29:25.960 --> 03:29:31.200 mind it. Shatter fingers of frost. There's no deep freeze, which I like. I think there's no 03:29:31.200 --> 03:29:34.600 No water elemental, which I like. 03:29:34.600 --> 03:29:35.600 Fingers of frost, shatter. 03:29:35.600 --> 03:29:38.320 I like all of this, really. 03:29:38.320 --> 03:29:39.320 Improved conicold. 03:29:39.320 --> 03:29:42.200 So improved conicold actually got nerfed. 03:29:42.200 --> 03:29:47.200 Interesting. 03:29:47.200 --> 03:29:49.400 Or maybe they just changed how much. 03:29:49.400 --> 03:29:51.200 Now it's 35 total still. 03:29:51.200 --> 03:29:53.120 Maybe they changed how much each rank did. 03:29:53.120 --> 03:29:55.920 The first one's 12, 12, 12. 03:29:55.920 --> 03:29:59.900 Okay, no, they just flattened the curve, maybe. 03:29:59.900 --> 03:30:05.940 Kona Cold, this should maybe get buffed because there might not be a reason to ever use Kona 03:30:05.940 --> 03:30:07.900 Cold if you have Ice Lance. 03:30:07.900 --> 03:30:12.020 So the reason you use Top Rank Kona Cold in Classic is because you don't have Ice 03:30:12.020 --> 03:30:13.020 Lance. 03:30:13.020 --> 03:30:16.180 You want to use Kona Cold to do damage because there's no Ice Lance. 03:30:16.180 --> 03:30:21.380 But now that there's Ice Lance, it's more damage, single target, and less mana cost. 03:30:21.380 --> 03:30:24.340 So why would you ever use Kona Cold Top Rank? 03:30:24.340 --> 03:30:28.020 Of course, we'll still use the rank one conical for slows, right? 03:30:31.900 --> 03:30:33.380 Might need the buff conical a little bit, 03:30:33.380 --> 03:30:35.580 not the E of Icelands, but I don't know, 03:30:35.580 --> 03:30:38.000 maybe Winner's Chill looks about the same. 03:30:39.860 --> 03:30:42.460 But it also works in Icelands, which is nice. 03:30:42.460 --> 03:30:43.300 Ice barrier. 03:30:43.300 --> 03:30:48.300 So Frost is very, very, very unchanged. 03:30:48.300 --> 03:30:50.380 You get fingers of Frost, you get Icelands, 03:30:50.380 --> 03:30:51.780 but you know what? 03:30:51.780 --> 03:30:54.020 I think it'll play well. 03:30:54.020 --> 03:30:57.220 It's a little boring, but I kind of like it. 03:30:57.220 --> 03:30:58.900 Okay, so TLDR. 03:30:58.900 --> 03:31:01.960 Arcane, I like frost, little boring, 03:31:01.960 --> 03:31:05.380 but I like fire, needs a rework. 03:31:05.380 --> 03:31:07.500 So let's start the conversation. 03:31:07.500 --> 03:31:09.340 How are we gonna rework fire 03:31:10.460 --> 03:31:13.420 for it to actually perform well in work? 03:31:13.420 --> 03:31:15.920 Improved blizzard, gut nerf, let me take a quick look. 03:31:18.200 --> 03:31:21.260 So it's 15 instead of 30, up to 27, 03:31:21.260 --> 03:31:24.180 up to, oh, it's only 40. 03:31:25.900 --> 03:31:28.300 How much was it total before in this one talent? 03:31:28.300 --> 03:31:30.860 It was definitely like, wasn't it like 60 from this? 03:31:33.420 --> 03:31:34.240 50. 03:31:35.660 --> 03:31:40.660 It was 75, or 65 total, then it got buffed by permafrost 03:31:42.460 --> 03:31:43.780 to like 75. 03:31:45.120 --> 03:31:47.700 So I think this talent got nerfed from 65 to 40. 03:31:51.260 --> 03:32:01.260 Is it crazy to say I actually kind of don't mind this. 03:32:01.260 --> 03:32:08.380 I actually kind of like it and I'm a mage saying that why why do I think this is kind 03:32:08.380 --> 03:32:18.380 of okay in PVP it is completely annoying to just not move and be 75% slower in Alteric 03:32:18.380 --> 03:32:23.820 Valley in World PUP in Black Rock Mountain. Completely just not being able to move your 03:32:23.820 --> 03:32:29.100 character isn't fun for anyone. I'm looking at 100 traps too. 100 traps you can leave on the 03:32:29.100 --> 03:32:33.740 ground, at least with Mage you have to channel it, but still. Improved Blizzard being 40, 03:32:33.740 --> 03:32:38.460 I think means you can still AoE grind. And AoE grinding with like Kona Cold and like Flame 03:32:38.460 --> 03:32:42.380 Strike will probably still be a thing. And you can still use it. I don't know. I'll have to see 03:32:42.380 --> 03:32:46.940 how this feels. I don't know if I hate this. And I'm a Mage saying that. We'll see how it feels. 03:32:46.940 --> 03:32:51.180 But I don't think I immediately hate it, to be honest. 03:32:51.180 --> 03:32:58.220 So this is an additional 9% slow, or an 11% slow. 03:32:58.220 --> 03:33:01.140 It says 9 up top, 11 down bottom. 03:33:01.140 --> 03:33:03.060 So it's going to be 51% slow. 03:33:03.060 --> 03:33:06.660 I mean, that's still pretty fine to AOE grind. 03:33:06.660 --> 03:33:10.260 Blizzard's slow not only lasts for a second and a half, 03:33:10.260 --> 03:33:12.980 but it's channeled, so it keeps getting reapplied. 03:33:12.980 --> 03:33:16.340 So you can still AOE with that, but it's 03:33:16.340 --> 03:33:18.180 It's going to be a little more strategic. 03:33:18.180 --> 03:33:20.740 You might have to like do a pull on a mount, 03:33:20.740 --> 03:33:24.340 NOFA, Blizzard, no, read it. 03:33:26.460 --> 03:33:27.780 It's effect lowers the target's movement speed 03:33:27.780 --> 03:33:30.140 by 40% for 1.5 seconds. 03:33:31.780 --> 03:33:33.300 Why would it not reapply? 03:33:34.620 --> 03:33:36.020 I'm sure it would reapply. 03:33:37.460 --> 03:33:38.300 Re-read it? 03:33:38.300 --> 03:33:39.140 Yeah. 03:33:40.900 --> 03:33:42.900 It does reapply, it doesn't reapply. 03:33:42.900 --> 03:33:44.880 How would this not reapply? 03:33:46.340 --> 03:33:58.860 I'm sure it re classic talent says the same thing adds a chill effect to your blizzard 03:33:58.860 --> 03:34:04.500 this effect lowers the targets movements you by 30% last yeah I'm sure it would reapply 03:34:04.500 --> 03:34:09.460 what you guys are trolling shadow is just dumb okay guys I mean hey maybe I'm wrong 03:34:09.460 --> 03:34:12.340 here I don't know I haven't tried it but like based on how it reads it would reapply 03:34:12.340 --> 03:34:16.060 every tick which means a we grinding is fine it's just a little harder you're not going 03:34:16.060 --> 03:34:21.260 be able to just like blizzard an afk you might have to strategically blizzard once or twice 03:34:21.260 --> 03:34:28.060 let the mobs come to you kona cold wait frost nova flame strike re kona cold it's it's going to be 03:34:28.060 --> 03:34:34.860 more strategic but i think it's still doable perma frost has changed to 33 instead of three seconds 03:34:34.860 --> 03:34:47.220 Okay, hold on. 03:34:47.220 --> 03:34:49.100 We need to do some math here. 03:34:49.100 --> 03:34:53.780 How long is cone of cold? 03:34:53.780 --> 03:35:04.700 Okay, so cone of cold right now is a 10 second cool down and it lasts for 8 seconds. 03:35:04.700 --> 03:35:05.980 for eight seconds for the slow. 03:35:05.980 --> 03:35:07.980 I don't know if this is gonna be the same. 03:35:14.140 --> 03:35:14.980 This is classic, right? 03:35:14.980 --> 03:35:15.820 Yeah, it is. 03:35:15.820 --> 03:35:17.540 Oh, look, forever, it's already here. 03:35:19.180 --> 03:35:21.860 Wow, they already have a wow forever, wow head, that's sick. 03:35:21.860 --> 03:35:23.580 Okay, so assuming that's the same, 03:35:23.580 --> 03:35:25.220 it's eight seconds of the 10 second cooldown, 03:35:25.220 --> 03:35:26.300 it's not 100% uptime, 03:35:26.300 --> 03:35:30.540 but Permafrost gives you an additional 33% duration 03:35:30.540 --> 03:35:31.700 on chill effects. 03:35:31.700 --> 03:35:35.700 What's 33% of 8? 03:35:35.700 --> 03:35:39.700 2.64. 03:35:39.700 --> 03:35:43.700 Perfect. That's fine. As long as you can have 100% uptime on KonaCold, 03:35:43.700 --> 03:35:47.700 that's fine. So that works. It's slightly nerfed. 03:35:47.700 --> 03:35:51.700 It's going to be 10.4 seconds slow with a 10 second cooldown. 03:35:51.700 --> 03:35:55.700 That's fine. 03:35:55.700 --> 03:35:59.700 It's completely fine. 03:35:59.700 --> 03:36:02.700 Tactics link to this website. 03:36:06.700 --> 03:36:08.700 Oh man, there's so many websites. 03:36:13.700 --> 03:36:14.700 Wow. 03:36:19.700 --> 03:36:22.700 Not yet verified. Wow, that's crazy. 03:36:22.700 --> 03:36:23.700 Anyway. 03:36:25.700 --> 03:36:26.700 Anyway. 03:36:29.700 --> 03:36:36.820 Any thoughts on the icy veins um I see what you're saying so like they have combustion they have arcane power 03:36:36.820 --> 03:36:38.820 Maybe for us to get icy veins 03:36:42.740 --> 03:36:44.740 Let me think about it for a second before I answer 03:36:46.660 --> 03:36:54.860 Right now the frost PvE rotation is frost bolt frost bolt okay you get a crit ice lance ice lance frost bolt frost bolt frost bolt frost bolt 03:36:54.860 --> 03:36:56.860 Okay, you get a crit ice lance ice lance 03:36:56.860 --> 03:37:01.260 It's a little on the boring end, but, you know, it's better than one button, at least you have two. 03:37:01.260 --> 03:37:06.260 Having a button to press to icy veins, cold snappery icy veins might make it interesting. 03:37:08.760 --> 03:37:12.760 Yeah, I think I wouldn't mind icy veins. Yeah, I think I wouldn't mind it. 03:37:12.760 --> 03:37:21.260 It's hard to have this conversation without everyone thinking I'm just a complete, like, like, mage bias, which I do have mage bias, but, like, 03:37:21.260 --> 03:37:26.260 My priority is, I want the rotation in PvE to be fun, 03:37:26.260 --> 03:37:28.600 and I also want the rotation while leveling 03:37:28.600 --> 03:37:31.120 to not be just one button, I want it to be like two or three, 03:37:31.120 --> 03:37:33.440 and I want the dungeon rotation to be not one button, 03:37:33.440 --> 03:37:34.760 I want it to be two or three, 03:37:34.760 --> 03:37:38.520 and I want the PvP to operate in a way that makes sense. 03:37:38.520 --> 03:37:39.960 So like those are like the pillars, right? 03:37:39.960 --> 03:37:42.360 The single target leveling, 03:37:42.360 --> 03:37:44.080 the dungeon leveling experience, 03:37:44.080 --> 03:37:47.800 the end game PvE experience, and the PvP experience. 03:37:47.800 --> 03:37:49.800 I think I see veins probably add to all of those 03:37:49.800 --> 03:37:51.400 without being 2-0-P. 03:37:51.400 --> 03:37:53.960 So yeah, I think they probably should have IC Vins. 03:37:56.200 --> 03:37:58.240 Fire, let's talk about fire. 03:37:58.240 --> 03:37:59.840 Okay, let's talk about fire. 03:37:59.840 --> 03:38:04.360 Fire doesn't hit any of these things except end game PvE. 03:38:04.360 --> 03:38:07.760 Fire doesn't hit like PvP as fire as this spec 03:38:07.760 --> 03:38:08.960 would just suck. 03:38:08.960 --> 03:38:09.960 What are you gonna do? 03:38:09.960 --> 03:38:13.560 Fish for crits forever to then cast a 1.5 second pyro? 03:38:13.560 --> 03:38:16.000 No, fire would be awful. 03:38:16.000 --> 03:38:17.880 Fire needs love and PvP. 03:38:17.880 --> 03:38:19.600 Okay, fire for leveling. 03:38:19.600 --> 03:38:25.320 single target. Oof, awful again. Needs leveling love. Needs PvP love. The end game PvE, it 03:38:25.320 --> 03:38:29.600 kind of works as is because you have Scorch, you have Fire Blast, you have Fire Ball, and 03:38:29.600 --> 03:38:34.000 you have Pyro. So the end game PvE kind of works, but Dungeon's awful again. What are 03:38:34.000 --> 03:38:38.240 you going to do? Spam Fire Ball, mob's dead, don't get a crit, never get to use Hot Streak. 03:38:38.240 --> 03:38:41.560 You're not going to get the killing blows for Wake of Fire, Wake of Fire is dead, Hot 03:38:41.560 --> 03:38:52.560 streak is dead, the whole tree is dead, right? So how do you fix fire? And I'm not talking 03:38:52.560 --> 03:38:57.640 about frostfireable, like hybrid frostfire, because that already seems cool. How do you 03:38:57.640 --> 03:39:04.320 fix fire? Spreading ignite with fire blast, that's an idea. Spreading ignite, that could 03:39:04.320 --> 03:39:09.280 totally work. You get a crit, you press fire blast, it spreads, that's the catamodal. It's 03:39:09.280 --> 03:39:10.280 It's not broken. 03:39:10.280 --> 03:39:11.520 It's fundamentally broken. 03:39:11.520 --> 03:39:17.440 Like I'm saying, this is a lifelong mage, classic, long time classic Andy. 03:39:17.440 --> 03:39:20.760 Yeah, it's fundamentally broken and it needs work. 03:39:20.760 --> 03:39:21.760 Absolutely. 03:39:21.760 --> 03:39:22.760 Living bombs. 03:39:22.760 --> 03:39:34.720 So living bombs an option, spreading, spreading nights and option, living bombs an option. 03:39:34.720 --> 03:39:41.140 What do you guys think about a consecutive crit talent on Fireball? 03:39:41.140 --> 03:39:42.940 Was this added at some point? 03:39:42.940 --> 03:39:47.540 Hold on, let me think. 03:39:47.540 --> 03:39:49.260 I think this was added at some point. 03:39:49.260 --> 03:39:55.260 I can't remember what expansion, Kata maybe, where every Fireball you press that doesn't 03:39:55.260 --> 03:39:59.300 crit gives you stacking crit until one does. 03:39:59.300 --> 03:40:06.500 in a dungeon, you could at some point be like, okay, I can work my way towards an eventual crit. 03:40:08.660 --> 03:40:12.420 It's kind of like a bust. It's kind of like a bust, but baked into a fireball. 03:40:13.140 --> 03:40:16.180 This wouldn't be very good on PVP because you can't cast fireball on PVP 03:40:16.820 --> 03:40:21.220 by and large most of the time. This is to be like a PvE thing. 03:40:21.220 --> 03:40:30.940 I'm thinking, I'm literally just thinking out loud here, how to make the spec viable. 03:40:30.940 --> 03:40:35.820 Not for end game, but for like dungeons, for questing, for leveling, how to make the spec 03:40:35.820 --> 03:40:36.820 interactive. 03:40:36.820 --> 03:40:40.620 Because right now it lacks all of that. 03:40:40.620 --> 03:40:43.340 Oh, thanks, babe. 03:40:43.340 --> 03:40:46.940 Guys, we got some lunch here. 03:40:46.940 --> 03:40:53.940 Ah, guys, I'm so happy to be home eating home cooked meals. 03:40:53.940 --> 03:40:59.260 Last night, I had some food at home for the first time in a while. 03:40:59.260 --> 03:41:02.460 Very nice breakfast this morning, eggs. 03:41:02.460 --> 03:41:04.140 Haven't had eggs in a few days. 03:41:04.140 --> 03:41:05.580 Oh, so nice. 03:41:05.580 --> 03:41:06.740 Oh, it's so nice. 03:41:06.740 --> 03:41:20.180 Okay, let's put the fireball consecutive crit thing on hold for a second. 03:41:20.180 --> 03:41:26.180 How are we going to decide hot streak to where it's not OP, but it's usable when you're 03:41:26.180 --> 03:41:28.060 farming mobs. 03:41:28.060 --> 03:41:33.020 It's usable outside of end game PvE. 03:41:33.020 --> 03:41:35.140 It's usable on Van Cleef. 03:41:35.140 --> 03:41:40.140 It's usable on a mob that you're gonna kill in Duskwood. 03:41:40.140 --> 03:41:42.380 How do you, like, because right now it doesn't, right? 03:41:42.380 --> 03:41:43.580 It doesn't actually work. 03:41:47.820 --> 03:41:50.060 If it doesn't consume stacks, it's usable. 03:41:50.060 --> 03:41:51.380 True, that's actually true. 03:41:53.820 --> 03:41:55.620 Assuming it does consume it, though. 03:42:01.580 --> 03:42:02.780 Wake of Fire should be reworked 03:42:02.780 --> 03:42:05.460 to reduce the fire blast cooldown and quick chance 03:42:05.460 --> 03:42:08.880 at two out of two, making hot shrieks easier. 03:42:09.980 --> 03:42:12.020 Okay, so maybe we start here. 03:42:12.020 --> 03:42:14.100 Wake a fire, this doesn't work, 03:42:14.100 --> 03:42:15.900 the reason it doesn't work is because between mobs 03:42:15.900 --> 03:42:17.340 is a mage, you have to drink. 03:42:17.340 --> 03:42:19.640 So if you get a killing blow and you get the wake of fire, 03:42:19.640 --> 03:42:21.060 you can't actually use it because you have to drink 03:42:21.060 --> 03:42:23.300 and if you spam fire blast, you're gonna go out of mana. 03:42:23.300 --> 03:42:24.780 So it doesn't actually work in the mage kit, 03:42:24.780 --> 03:42:26.020 so it needs to be removed. 03:42:26.020 --> 03:42:28.660 So what do you redesign it to? 03:42:28.660 --> 03:42:30.020 I like that. 03:42:30.020 --> 03:42:33.820 Fire Blast having lower cooldown, higher crit. 03:42:33.820 --> 03:42:35.620 The mana cost is still an issue. 03:42:35.620 --> 03:42:38.740 If you have Fire Blast on a low cooldown and you spam it, 03:42:38.740 --> 03:42:41.940 you will just go, um, very, very, very fast. 03:42:41.940 --> 03:42:46.220 Like so it doesn't, maybe you keep the cooldown 03:42:47.300 --> 03:42:50.060 of Fire Blast, but you make it, 03:42:50.060 --> 03:42:52.220 this talent reduce the mana cost 03:42:52.220 --> 03:42:53.960 and increase the crit chance. 03:42:54.860 --> 03:42:55.900 Maybe that's what you do. 03:42:55.900 --> 03:42:57.900 Reduce mana cost, increase crit 03:42:57.900 --> 03:43:01.540 to give yourself more of a chance to get the crit. 03:43:01.540 --> 03:43:03.880 Maybe that's the fix. 03:43:09.460 --> 03:43:10.820 And if it crits, it's free. 03:43:13.580 --> 03:43:15.620 Maybe Master of Elements should get buffed 03:43:16.520 --> 03:43:20.660 to where your crits refund instead of 30%. 03:43:22.100 --> 03:43:24.420 Because like the problem with Firewall leveling 03:43:24.420 --> 03:43:27.620 is kind of similar to Destro, you just go oom instantly. 03:43:27.620 --> 03:43:30.340 if you're going to use Fire Blast at all. 03:43:30.340 --> 03:43:34.220 Maybe Master of Elements needs to be buffed. 03:43:34.220 --> 03:43:36.540 How about Master of Elements buffed specifically 03:43:36.540 --> 03:43:40.540 for Fire Blast to get 100% of your mana back 03:43:40.540 --> 03:43:42.220 if Fire Blast crits? 03:43:42.220 --> 03:43:45.220 That way, you're incentivized to actually use Fire Blast 03:43:45.220 --> 03:43:47.460 without just perma-oom or something. 03:43:47.460 --> 03:43:48.020 That might work. 03:43:51.340 --> 03:43:53.300 I mean, I would need to sit here for like hours 03:43:53.300 --> 03:43:54.860 to think about how to build this. 03:43:57.620 --> 03:44:12.940 Mages are the OP AF just stop this okay I'm assuming you don't speak English as your primary 03:44:12.940 --> 03:44:20.460 language but I'll explain this anyway we're not talking about Mages viability in terms 03:44:20.460 --> 03:44:26.620 of their strength Mages are very good that's not the conversation we're having once again 03:44:26.620 --> 03:44:29.100 I'll assume you're not an English speaker. 03:44:29.100 --> 03:44:30.500 The conversation we're having is, 03:44:30.500 --> 03:44:33.860 how do we make this spec feel fun to play? 03:44:33.860 --> 03:44:35.340 Instead of pressing one button, 03:44:35.340 --> 03:44:38.180 how can we press two or three in an interesting 03:44:38.180 --> 03:44:39.460 and an interactive way? 03:44:40.620 --> 03:44:42.020 Welcome to the conversation. 03:44:56.620 --> 03:45:08.140 All right, Scorch, your Scorch spell has a 100% chance to cast your next target. 03:45:08.140 --> 03:45:12.000 So Scorch looks very, very similar here. 03:45:12.000 --> 03:45:15.500 Am I crazy to think? 03:45:15.500 --> 03:45:23.220 We need some type of combustion mechanic baked in or something, like increasing crit. 03:45:23.220 --> 03:45:28.220 The problem is, if you make fire good too good early, 03:45:28.660 --> 03:45:30.580 it's gonna be super OP late. 03:45:30.580 --> 03:45:33.060 So you want like a talent that's gonna help leveling, 03:45:34.140 --> 03:45:37.860 that's not gonna just make the end game broken, right? 03:45:37.860 --> 03:45:39.660 I like the idea of stacking crit. 03:45:40.500 --> 03:45:43.420 I like the idea of mana back on fire blasts, 03:45:43.420 --> 03:45:46.180 and I like the idea of increased crit on fire blast. 03:45:47.140 --> 03:45:49.900 In season of discovery, fire blasts at 100% crit. 03:45:49.900 --> 03:45:53.820 on retail fire blasts is 100% crit. 03:45:53.820 --> 03:45:56.060 I don't think that fits in WoW forever. 03:45:56.060 --> 03:45:57.240 It's too strong. 03:46:01.860 --> 03:46:03.380 Ah man, I don't know. 03:46:04.900 --> 03:46:05.740 I don't know. 03:46:12.860 --> 03:46:15.100 It's just something I could think about for weeks I think. 03:46:15.100 --> 03:46:17.900 Balefire bolt, I don't think balefire. 03:46:17.900 --> 03:46:19.620 Theory crafting is exhausting, it really is. 03:46:19.620 --> 03:46:21.420 It's like, man, how do you, how do you fix fire? 03:46:33.500 --> 03:46:36.580 Someone said use fire, fire ball with missile barrage. 03:46:36.580 --> 03:46:38.540 Mmm. 03:46:38.540 --> 03:46:39.380 Okay. Let me say this. 03:46:39.380 --> 03:46:41.020 Let me just pause the conversation 03:46:41.020 --> 03:46:42.620 with the fire theory crafting. 03:46:44.540 --> 03:46:46.540 Fire could be awesome. 03:46:46.540 --> 03:47:01.980 If you build it, like, if you build it with Arcane to utilize Missile Barrage, awesome. 03:47:01.980 --> 03:47:04.540 Like Fire Arcane, cool spec. 03:47:04.540 --> 03:47:08.500 Spam Fireballs till you get Missiles then use Fireball and Missiles, so cool. 03:47:08.500 --> 03:47:10.700 Love it, love it, love it. 03:47:10.700 --> 03:47:14.220 Fire Frost, also very cool spec. 03:47:14.220 --> 03:47:25.340 frost fire bolt and you double tip with frost buffs right and fire also awesome 03:47:25.340 --> 03:47:30.340 love it so maybe fire but then but then you have the problem the fire is more 03:47:30.340 --> 03:47:34.460 of a utility tree you can play fire frost or fire arcane and they're 03:47:34.460 --> 03:47:37.940 interesting but fire fire is just one button I still don't like it like fire 03:47:37.940 --> 03:47:40.580 Fire needs to be fixed right still 03:47:41.380 --> 03:47:42.780 still 03:47:42.780 --> 03:47:46.020 Is this assuming the hot streak tooltip is a typo? Yes 03:47:48.260 --> 03:47:51.780 Yes, it is assuming the hot streak is consumed 03:47:52.180 --> 03:47:57.340 Okay, let's let's assume for a second that there is no typo here and if you get hot streak 03:47:58.140 --> 03:48:03.140 You get 15 seconds of reduced pyroblast cast time in other words 03:48:03.140 --> 03:48:09.140 You can just spam Pyro. 1.5 second pyros over and over. Pyro, Pyro, Pyro, Pyro, Pyro. 03:48:09.140 --> 03:48:17.140 Well, one, that would be really OP. But two, is that even fun? I don't know if I even like that. 03:48:17.140 --> 03:48:28.140 It's not even that fun. You're just spamming Pyro. It's still one button. You're spamming it only for 15 seconds. 03:48:28.140 --> 03:48:36.540 15 seconds. I still don't like it. Either way. I don't like it either way, to be honest. 03:48:36.540 --> 03:48:42.500 It's still just one button. Maybe a living bomb. 03:48:42.500 --> 03:48:43.500 Hmm. 03:48:43.500 --> 03:48:44.500 Hmm. 03:48:44.500 --> 03:48:45.500 Okay. 03:48:45.500 --> 03:48:56.360 Theory Crafting, just open ideas here. 03:48:56.360 --> 03:49:06.000 This talent reads, Fire Blast has a 100% chance to crit if an enemy is already burning 03:49:06.000 --> 03:49:08.040 with ignite. 03:49:08.040 --> 03:49:11.820 So if you get a crit, you Fire Blast to get a second crit. 03:49:11.820 --> 03:49:15.040 You've saved your Fire Blast for when you get a crit. 03:49:15.040 --> 03:49:17.100 When you have something burning, it's a guaranteed crit. 03:49:17.100 --> 03:49:19.300 It's kind of like brand or something. 03:49:19.300 --> 03:49:21.300 Thinking out loud here, just thinking out loud. 03:49:28.540 --> 03:49:31.860 Yeah, right, nice one, I like it. 03:49:31.860 --> 03:49:33.460 Bro, I typed that three times, sorry, 03:49:33.460 --> 03:49:35.300 I'm not reading every line of chat. 03:49:38.100 --> 03:49:39.820 Seems kind of strong. 03:49:39.820 --> 03:49:42.580 So kind of like a shatter, kinda. 03:49:42.580 --> 03:49:43.700 I kinda, 03:49:46.140 --> 03:49:48.780 there's, I don't think that's ever been in the game before. 03:49:50.500 --> 03:49:53.140 Fire Blast has a 100% chance to crit on retail always, 03:49:53.140 --> 03:49:54.100 not when it's burning. 03:49:54.100 --> 03:49:55.620 I don't think it's been in the game 03:49:55.620 --> 03:49:57.020 where when you're burning, you get a crit. 03:49:57.020 --> 03:49:58.820 I don't think that's ever been in the game. 03:50:09.820 --> 03:50:15.480 Hmm seems like we're making fire way too good. Oh gosh, how do I? 03:50:15.980 --> 03:50:20.980 We're designing the rotation not the viability things can be tuned. We're designing the rotation 03:50:22.900 --> 03:50:24.900 That makes sense 03:50:26.380 --> 03:50:28.380 Truly 03:50:28.660 --> 03:50:33.260 Truly needing that I don't know I need to say that guys. This is not the viability at all 03:50:33.260 --> 03:50:37.000 This is the rotation we want the rotation and I'll be one button. We want to be a couple 03:50:39.820 --> 03:50:57.180 Okay, rework hot streak to work after casting different spells and short winners of time. 03:50:57.180 --> 03:51:15.020 I don't know, I could sit here for hours and think. 03:51:15.020 --> 03:51:19.260 I think this is the best thing for a rotation that I could think of. 03:51:19.260 --> 03:51:26.660 For a rotation, not the viability, the numbers can be tweaked. 03:51:26.660 --> 03:51:30.860 All consecutive non-crits give you a higher chance to crit. 03:51:30.860 --> 03:51:34.780 So if you just keep not critting, eventually you'll get a crit. 03:51:34.780 --> 03:51:38.460 Once you get a crit, you get ignite up. 03:51:38.460 --> 03:51:43.900 This wake of fire talent gives you a 100% chance to crit with fire blast when something 03:51:43.900 --> 03:51:45.220 is burning with ignite. 03:51:45.220 --> 03:51:48.220 So you'll fire ball until you and that will be get a crit. 03:51:48.220 --> 03:51:51.420 Then you'll fire blast, which would then proc pyro. 03:51:51.420 --> 03:51:53.980 This should, instead of three stacks, it should be two. 03:51:53.980 --> 03:51:56.900 You can still make it not instant if you want. 03:51:56.900 --> 03:51:59.540 So the rotation is fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball, 03:51:59.540 --> 03:52:04.300 fireblast, pyro, fireball, fireball, fireball. 03:52:04.300 --> 03:52:06.700 Like at least that's three buttons instead of one. 03:52:06.700 --> 03:52:08.700 And on a longer fight, of course, you use scorch. 03:52:08.700 --> 03:52:12.220 So it'd be scorch, scorch, scorch, fireball, fireball, 03:52:12.220 --> 03:52:15.780 fireball, fireball, fireblast, pyro, fireball, fireball, 03:52:15.780 --> 03:52:19.620 fireball, scorch, maybe, fireball, fireball, pyro, 03:52:19.620 --> 03:52:21.020 or fireblast, pyro. 03:52:21.020 --> 03:52:22.820 Like something like that would be one, 03:52:22.820 --> 03:52:24.420 Instead of one button, at least you have a couple. 03:52:24.420 --> 03:52:25.580 Maybe that would help. 03:52:27.420 --> 03:52:28.620 I still don't love it. 03:52:28.620 --> 03:52:31.580 I still don't love it. 03:52:31.580 --> 03:52:33.660 But that's better than how it currently is, I think. 03:52:33.660 --> 03:52:35.460 That's better than how it currently is. 03:52:35.460 --> 03:52:37.620 You fix PvE but not PvP, correct. 03:52:37.620 --> 03:52:39.260 So that would suck in PvP. 03:52:40.900 --> 03:52:42.340 Here's another question. 03:52:42.340 --> 03:52:46.580 Does every spec need to be viable in PvP? 03:52:46.580 --> 03:52:50.940 Or can you just say if you want a PvP, play a different build? 03:52:50.940 --> 03:52:58.580 No, I agree with you guys, like I don't know if fire needs to be a PvP build period. 03:52:58.580 --> 03:53:02.280 You could play Frost, you could play Frost Fire, you could play Fire Arcane, you could 03:53:02.280 --> 03:53:08.720 play Fire Frost, maybe it just doesn't need to solve the PvP equation at all. 03:53:08.720 --> 03:53:15.300 But fire should at least have a somewhat interesting rotation in the end game and a somewhat interesting 03:53:15.300 --> 03:53:18.080 rotation while leveling. 03:53:18.080 --> 03:53:27.360 already does. Frost already does. Fire doesn't. I'll think about it more. I don't know if 03:53:27.360 --> 03:53:32.240 I want to just sit here forever thinking about it, but if you guys have any ideas, you could 03:53:32.240 --> 03:53:35.960 write it in my discord, maybe something. 03:53:35.960 --> 03:53:38.200 But as of right now, it's not in a good spot. 03:53:53.480 --> 03:53:56.760 Frost has no rotation in the end game. 03:53:56.760 --> 03:54:00.440 So Frost has two buttons in the end game. 03:54:00.440 --> 03:54:02.160 Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, 03:54:02.160 --> 03:54:03.000 Well, oh, I crit. 03:54:03.000 --> 03:54:04.600 Ice lands, ice lands. 03:54:04.600 --> 03:54:06.360 Frost bolt, frost bolt, frost bolt, frost bolt. 03:54:06.360 --> 03:54:07.200 Oh, I crit. 03:54:07.200 --> 03:54:09.200 Ice lands, ice lands. 03:54:09.200 --> 03:54:11.400 Unless you can double dip ice lands, 03:54:11.400 --> 03:54:13.480 which you might be able to, I don't know how it's gonna work. 03:54:13.480 --> 03:54:14.760 There are fingers of frost. 03:54:14.760 --> 03:54:16.680 If fingers of frost is double dippable, 03:54:18.040 --> 03:54:19.480 you could, what you could then do is 03:54:19.480 --> 03:54:21.160 frost bolt, frost bolt, frost bolt, frost bolt. 03:54:21.160 --> 03:54:22.000 Oh, I crit. 03:54:22.000 --> 03:54:23.560 Ice lands, frost bolt, ice lands. 03:54:23.560 --> 03:54:24.640 Which is probably the case. 03:54:24.640 --> 03:54:26.480 That's probably what the rotation would be. 03:54:28.680 --> 03:54:30.400 It's pretty basic. 03:54:30.400 --> 03:54:31.960 It's pretty basic. 03:54:31.960 --> 03:54:38.320 When I played Paladin, there was like so many buttons to press. 03:54:38.320 --> 03:54:41.960 I only played Prott, but it's holy. 03:54:41.960 --> 03:54:45.480 You have like holy shock, flash of light, and holy light. 03:54:45.480 --> 03:54:47.000 So let's look at Paladin for a second. 03:54:49.520 --> 03:54:50.520 There's a talent. 03:54:52.280 --> 03:54:54.200 It's really cool, this one. 03:54:54.200 --> 03:54:56.640 Your holy shock and flash of light crits, 03:54:56.640 --> 03:54:58.800 or it is the cast time of your next holy light. 03:54:58.800 --> 03:55:01.560 This is what I'm talking about. 03:55:01.560 --> 03:55:03.160 when it comes to class design. 03:55:04.880 --> 03:55:09.380 Right here, you have an ability that incentivizes you 03:55:09.380 --> 03:55:11.940 to use other abilities. 03:55:11.940 --> 03:55:14.480 It's like, okay, say Flash of Light's your best button. 03:55:14.480 --> 03:55:19.080 So use it until you get an Infusion of Light proc, 03:55:19.080 --> 03:55:20.880 then use Holy Light. 03:55:20.880 --> 03:55:22.920 So you're using Flash of Light, Holy Shock, 03:55:22.920 --> 03:55:24.800 and Holy Light as a Paladin. 03:55:24.800 --> 03:55:25.860 In addition, the light's virtual. 03:55:25.860 --> 03:55:27.300 That's four buttons. 03:55:27.300 --> 03:55:32.300 Mage is using like one or two. 03:55:32.860 --> 03:55:34.940 I like, like holy design is cool. 03:55:34.940 --> 03:55:36.060 Prots, I was playing Prot. 03:55:36.060 --> 03:55:37.820 You have Templars, Bulwark. 03:55:37.820 --> 03:55:40.200 You have Holy Shield, right? 03:55:40.200 --> 03:55:45.200 You have Holy Strike, right? 03:55:45.820 --> 03:55:47.180 Judgment, Swift Judgment. 03:55:47.180 --> 03:55:49.500 Once again, four or five buttons. 03:55:49.500 --> 03:55:51.660 Paladin design, awesome, right? 03:55:51.660 --> 03:55:53.020 So now we go back to Mage. 03:55:53.020 --> 03:55:55.660 How do we make Mage, not just Frostbolt, Frostbolt, 03:55:55.660 --> 03:55:57.420 frostbilt, frostbilt, frostbilt, frostbilt, 03:55:57.420 --> 03:56:01.600 ice lands, and instead, you have more abilities 03:56:01.600 --> 03:56:02.580 interacting with each other. 03:56:02.580 --> 03:56:04.980 So it's, you know, two, three, four buttons 03:56:04.980 --> 03:56:06.260 you're using in sequence. 03:56:06.260 --> 03:56:09.380 We're just talking rotation here, just rotation. 03:56:09.380 --> 03:56:12.180 Maybe fire does need living bomb. 03:56:12.180 --> 03:56:13.360 Maybe that's what it is. 03:56:13.360 --> 03:56:14.760 You have to keep up living bomb. 03:56:14.760 --> 03:56:16.260 You have to keep up scorch. 03:56:16.260 --> 03:56:17.820 Then you're using fireball. 03:56:17.820 --> 03:56:19.580 And then the crit thing we talked about 03:56:19.580 --> 03:56:21.940 with fire blast and the pyros or something. 03:56:21.940 --> 03:56:24.020 Frost and orb, maybe frost needs frost and orb. 03:56:24.020 --> 03:56:26.900 Like, it's probably something, right? 03:56:26.900 --> 03:56:27.940 But it's tough. 03:56:27.940 --> 03:56:30.660 Another good example of what we're talking about, 03:56:30.660 --> 03:56:32.420 this talent right here. 03:56:32.420 --> 03:56:36.580 Your backstab has a 3% chance to cause your next ambush 03:56:36.580 --> 03:56:37.700 to not require self. 03:56:37.700 --> 03:56:40.980 This is the type of talent that mages need. 03:56:41.920 --> 03:56:44.660 Without this talent, it's backstab, backstab, backstab, 03:56:44.660 --> 03:56:45.780 backstab, you know? 03:56:45.780 --> 03:56:47.460 With this talent, it's backstab. 03:56:47.460 --> 03:56:49.500 Ooh, I got an ambush proc. 03:56:49.500 --> 03:56:53.100 Let me do backstab, ambush into another backstab. 03:56:53.100 --> 03:56:56.700 Variability, not one button, now we're doing two. 03:56:56.700 --> 03:56:58.340 Improvement, right? 03:56:58.340 --> 03:57:01.660 Mage, think you need something like that for fire. 03:57:06.980 --> 03:57:08.260 Brain freeze maybe? 03:57:09.340 --> 03:57:10.740 Yeah, brain freeze might just, 03:57:10.740 --> 03:57:13.420 I mean, that's a very simple basic solution, 03:57:13.420 --> 03:57:16.820 but brain freeze, yeah, could probably be something. 03:57:23.100 --> 03:57:40.500 Hot streak is literally that the problem with hot streak guys is you need three crits to 03:57:40.500 --> 03:57:50.860 get a 1.5 second pyro three crits while leveling in a dungeon will like I will like never happen 03:57:50.860 --> 03:57:55.340 when you're level like 10 through like level like 50, 03:57:55.340 --> 03:57:57.140 like you'll never actually get all three 03:57:57.140 --> 03:57:58.300 before it falls off. 03:57:59.340 --> 03:58:01.180 Right now the talent doesn't work. 03:58:02.780 --> 03:58:03.940 Right? 03:58:03.940 --> 03:58:05.340 Three is too much, maybe two. 03:58:05.340 --> 03:58:06.180 That's what I'm saying. 03:58:06.180 --> 03:58:08.740 Like maybe two, but like three, 03:58:08.740 --> 03:58:12.260 it like doesn't actually work. 03:58:19.800 --> 03:58:20.640 Need to rework. 03:58:20.860 --> 03:58:27.200 Fingers of Frost is one spell, not two. 03:58:27.200 --> 03:58:29.000 Let me double check. 03:58:29.000 --> 03:58:36.560 Fingers of Frost is only one spell. 03:58:36.560 --> 03:58:41.880 Unless that's a typo. 03:58:41.880 --> 03:58:46.880 Your rotation will be Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt. 03:58:46.880 --> 03:58:50.200 Ooh, I got a fingers of frost, frostbilled ice lance. 03:58:50.200 --> 03:58:52.880 Frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled frostbilled. 03:58:52.880 --> 03:58:55.040 Ooh, I got a fingers of frost, frostbilled ice lance. 03:58:55.040 --> 03:58:58.000 I mean, that is very, a very basic rotation. 03:59:00.320 --> 03:59:05.400 Ah, man, class design is hard. Good thing I'm not, good thing I'm not designing mage. 03:59:05.400 --> 03:59:08.000 Oh my gosh, it's a tough one. 03:59:09.240 --> 03:59:10.280 I like it. 03:59:11.200 --> 03:59:14.600 It's 2-1, wowhead. Okay, so that might be a bug then. That might be a bug. 03:59:16.880 --> 03:59:18.880 Maybe it's supposed to stay two, I don't know. 03:59:34.120 --> 03:59:36.080 Get missile brush and fingers of frost, 03:59:37.120 --> 03:59:39.200 and then you can spam both. 03:59:39.200 --> 03:59:42.080 Yeah, so I think like, that's a fair point. 03:59:42.080 --> 03:59:46.120 You bring up like frost can have an interesting rotation. 03:59:46.120 --> 03:59:51.120 if you play frost arcane, right? 03:59:51.200 --> 03:59:52.720 Fire can have an interesting rotation 03:59:52.720 --> 03:59:57.600 if you play fire arcane, right? 03:59:57.600 --> 03:59:58.960 Frost can have an interesting rotation 03:59:58.960 --> 04:00:00.560 if you play frost fire. 04:00:00.560 --> 04:00:01.840 So a lot of these hybrid specs 04:00:01.840 --> 04:00:03.680 actually do have interesting rotations, 04:00:03.680 --> 04:00:05.920 but if you just play frost or if you just play fire 04:00:05.920 --> 04:00:09.600 or if you just play arcane, they're kind of two buttons. 04:00:09.600 --> 04:00:13.040 Arcane right now is two buttons, frost is two buttons, 04:00:13.040 --> 04:00:17.560 and fire, fire is technically actually three, 04:00:17.560 --> 04:00:19.800 but you don't press those three very often. 04:00:19.800 --> 04:00:22.320 It's mainly one, one most of the time. 04:00:24.640 --> 04:00:25.800 That sounds fine. 04:00:25.800 --> 04:00:28.000 So I guess a question then could be, 04:00:28.000 --> 04:00:30.140 what's the ideal amount of buttons you want 04:00:30.140 --> 04:00:34.400 in your rotation in classic forever? 04:00:34.400 --> 04:00:35.480 That's a good question. 04:00:35.480 --> 04:00:39.200 Cause like if you ask me, I think I like like, 04:00:39.200 --> 04:00:42.080 like one is too little, two I think is even too little. 04:00:42.080 --> 04:00:44.520 I think like three to five is a really nice spot. 04:00:44.520 --> 04:00:46.880 Like three would be like the low end, 04:00:46.880 --> 04:00:49.440 five would be a much higher end. 04:00:49.440 --> 04:00:54.440 Like I said with Paladin, you have, you know, at least four. 04:00:55.080 --> 04:00:57.160 Like that feels good. 04:00:57.160 --> 04:00:59.840 Mage having two, I think it's just, 04:00:59.840 --> 04:01:02.360 can we all agree two is too little? 04:01:02.360 --> 04:01:04.120 Can we all agree two is too little? 04:01:06.960 --> 04:01:10.680 Like I think two is, yeah, so if we agree two is, 04:01:10.680 --> 04:01:12.200 two buttons is too little, 04:01:12.200 --> 04:01:13.640 and three should be more of the minimum, 04:01:13.640 --> 04:01:16.940 then Frost does need a third button, right? 04:01:18.240 --> 04:01:19.840 Five is too much, hot take. 04:01:22.720 --> 04:01:26.220 So four, like three or four would maybe be a sweet spot 04:01:26.220 --> 04:01:27.220 for a lot of people. 04:01:28.160 --> 04:01:30.880 But one or two is too little. 04:01:30.880 --> 04:01:32.880 I think three or four would be like really fun. 04:01:32.880 --> 04:01:35.000 So in season of discovery, 04:01:35.000 --> 04:01:39.000 a lot of classes were closer to that five range. 04:01:39.000 --> 04:01:40.200 Let me think from age. 04:01:40.200 --> 04:01:43.800 And Season of Discovery use Fire Blast, Living Bomb, 04:01:43.800 --> 04:01:51.300 Frost Firebolt, Bale Firebolt, and Pyro, so five, you had five. 04:01:53.800 --> 04:01:56.800 Season of Discovery use five, for Mage. 04:01:56.800 --> 04:01:59.400 And that's not counting like Icy Veins, Cold Snap, 04:01:59.400 --> 04:02:01.400 like Utility, Blink, all of that. 04:02:01.400 --> 04:02:05.000 That's just counting like damaging rotational abilities. 04:02:05.000 --> 04:02:12.080 So, if we all agree, season of discovery was maybe a bit on the high end, and that was, 04:02:12.080 --> 04:02:14.240 I mean, the class that I played was five. 04:02:14.240 --> 04:02:17.240 Yeah, maybe we aim for that three to four. 04:02:17.240 --> 04:02:22.440 If that's the case, Arcane actually does need some work, and Frost does need some work as 04:02:22.440 --> 04:02:25.120 well, which would mean all the Mage Specs need some work. 04:02:25.120 --> 04:02:26.760 Oh, gosh. 04:02:26.760 --> 04:02:28.560 The sad thing is, I don't know how to do it. 04:02:28.560 --> 04:02:33.680 I actually don't know. 04:02:33.680 --> 04:02:39.000 But I will say though, it's a lot of the hybrid specs look really fun. 04:02:39.000 --> 04:02:43.040 A lot of the hybrid ones look really cool. 04:02:43.040 --> 04:02:45.440 Every class except Paladin, you mean XD. 04:02:45.440 --> 04:02:47.800 Okay. 04:02:47.800 --> 04:02:50.080 So yeah, I haven't looked at a lot of these classes. 04:02:50.080 --> 04:02:56.160 So Warrior is actually, since I've played a lot of Warrior, is actually in the spot 04:02:56.160 --> 04:02:59.120 where it already has three or four buttons, right? 04:02:59.120 --> 04:03:09.960 Whirlwind, Bloodthirst, Execute, Mortal Strike, you have four buns. 04:03:09.960 --> 04:03:13.840 Oh, and Thunder, but I'm not pressing that, so let's say four. 04:03:13.840 --> 04:03:16.100 Warrior, I think, is in the perfect spot. 04:03:16.100 --> 04:03:24.540 You start the fight, you Thunder Armor, maybe Bloodthirst, Whirlwind. 04:03:24.540 --> 04:03:28.200 If you're on Horde, maybe you spam Hamstring, but let's not even talk about that. 04:03:28.200 --> 04:03:31.400 and like, you know, when the fight's fitting close to an end, 04:03:31.400 --> 04:03:32.840 you can spam execute. 04:03:32.840 --> 04:03:34.080 But besides that, if you have extra rates, 04:03:34.080 --> 04:03:35.480 you heroic strike. 04:03:35.480 --> 04:03:37.360 Warrior has the perfect number. 04:03:37.360 --> 04:03:40.120 Like, can we agree that warrior has like a really, 04:03:40.120 --> 04:03:41.640 I don't wanna, maybe I don't use the word perfect, 04:03:41.640 --> 04:03:43.360 but like a really good rotation for classic. 04:03:43.360 --> 04:03:45.480 It's, there's a lot to think about and do, 04:03:45.480 --> 04:03:50.480 but it's not like crazy, like overwhelming retail complicated. 04:03:51.480 --> 04:03:54.160 So warrior is in a good spot with the rotation. 04:03:54.160 --> 04:03:56.920 Pally, I think, is in a good spot with the rotation. 04:03:56.920 --> 04:03:58.700 Someone said none of the other ones are though. 04:03:58.700 --> 04:04:00.000 Is that true? 04:04:00.000 --> 04:04:02.200 I actually don't have the knowledge base 04:04:02.200 --> 04:04:03.440 to chat about Hunter. 04:04:03.440 --> 04:04:05.240 Let's chat about Rogue for a second. 04:04:06.720 --> 04:04:08.160 Chat about Rogue for a second. 04:04:08.160 --> 04:04:12.760 So Rogues are gonna have mutilate. 04:04:14.120 --> 04:04:16.080 Rogues are gonna have a subspec, 04:04:16.080 --> 04:04:19.120 presumably with backstab, ambush, and finishers. 04:04:19.120 --> 04:04:21.840 So let's talk about sub, since I have played sub. 04:04:22.720 --> 04:04:25.260 The rotation would be you'd go daggers, 04:04:25.260 --> 04:04:26.880 you would backstab a lot, 04:04:26.880 --> 04:04:33.240 You would use combo points on probably Slice or something. 04:04:33.240 --> 04:04:38.760 You'd Hemo because you want the Hemoprox from, let me double check what talent gives you 04:04:38.760 --> 04:04:39.760 the Hemoprox. 04:04:39.760 --> 04:04:44.240 Cost of the target take 50% increase or rupture damage from the Rogue. 04:04:44.240 --> 04:04:47.280 I thought there was a Hemoproc. 04:04:47.280 --> 04:04:49.360 Did I misread that? 04:04:49.360 --> 04:04:55.280 Let me quickly see what I was thinking about. 04:04:55.280 --> 04:05:05.560 Maybe I was just thinking that HEMO buffs rupture. 04:05:05.560 --> 04:05:06.560 Ruptures your spender. 04:05:06.560 --> 04:05:15.280 Okay, so if for sub the rotation is I'm not open with an ambush, I'm going to spend on 04:05:15.280 --> 04:05:19.280 rupture but keep up HEMO so that a buff rupture and ambush proc. 04:05:19.280 --> 04:05:22.920 So you're going to use backstabs, you're going to use ambushes, you're going to use HEMOs 04:05:22.920 --> 04:05:24.200 and you're going to use ruptures. 04:05:24.200 --> 04:05:26.240 That's four. 04:05:26.240 --> 04:05:30.560 That's four. 04:05:30.560 --> 04:05:31.840 If you use Slice, that's going to be five. 04:05:31.840 --> 04:05:33.720 I don't know if you use Slice. 04:05:33.720 --> 04:05:34.720 That's five. 04:05:34.720 --> 04:05:39.560 So Rogue, Sub-Rogue, we haven't looked at Combat or Assas, is a five-button spec, four 04:05:39.560 --> 04:05:40.680 or five. 04:05:40.680 --> 04:05:45.320 We already talked about how that's on the high end of like, okay, right? 04:05:45.320 --> 04:05:48.240 100% you keep up Slice. 04:05:48.240 --> 04:05:51.160 Okay, so Warrior, it's in a good rotational spot. 04:05:51.160 --> 04:05:53.200 Pally's in a great rotational spot. 04:05:53.200 --> 04:05:55.240 is in a pretty good rotational spot for sub. 04:05:55.240 --> 04:05:57.200 Let's think about combat just for a sec. 04:05:58.400 --> 04:06:02.320 Combat you have to keep up slice. 04:06:02.320 --> 04:06:03.920 You're gonna use sinister on cooldown 04:06:03.920 --> 04:06:06.320 and you're gonna spend with presumably a vis 04:06:06.320 --> 04:06:08.240 after slice a nice uptime. 04:06:08.240 --> 04:06:10.080 That's three. 04:06:10.080 --> 04:06:12.280 Slice, a vis, sinister. 04:06:12.280 --> 04:06:13.320 Is there a fourth? 04:06:14.400 --> 04:06:15.680 Blade flurry is a cooldown, 04:06:15.680 --> 04:06:16.760 adrenaline rush is a cooldown, 04:06:16.760 --> 04:06:17.600 so let's not count those. 04:06:17.600 --> 04:06:19.000 Like I'm talking rotational. 04:06:21.500 --> 04:06:22.820 Exposed as well. 04:06:23.200 --> 04:06:30.200 That's still another, that's like another spender though, you know, slice, evis, expose. 04:06:30.200 --> 04:06:39.200 Okay, so like, on, if you're playing combat, you're using sinister, slice, evis, and expose. 04:06:39.200 --> 04:06:42.960 That's four buttons, but, you know, three of them are interchangeable. 04:06:42.960 --> 04:06:46.840 So little, combat's a little on the boring end, but that's something, you know. 04:06:46.840 --> 04:06:48.520 Let's look at a sass just real quick. 04:06:48.520 --> 04:07:00.960 of mutilate. You'll keep up slice. So too, is it just mutilate and slice? What's the 04:07:00.960 --> 04:07:13.600 secondary spender here? Oh, venom. Venom is your spender. Okay, so mutilate, keep up 04:07:13.600 --> 04:07:20.480 slice I would assume into Venoms. That's three. Little more on the boring end still though, 04:07:20.480 --> 04:07:33.360 but that's still three. Okay, so I feel like Rogue is in an okay-ish spot. Sub is actually 04:07:33.360 --> 04:07:36.760 going to be the most variable spec in the sense that you have to keep up Himo, Rupture, 04:07:36.760 --> 04:07:41.640 Slice, Pac-7, Ambush. Like, that's actually- Sub will actually be the most interesting 04:07:41.640 --> 04:07:43.340 expect to play in terms of rotation. 04:07:44.640 --> 04:07:45.340 Priest. 04:07:45.940 --> 04:07:49.040 I mean, disc is going to have penance, renew, shield. 04:07:50.340 --> 04:07:52.540 Of course, you'll have flash, greater, lesser. 04:07:52.540 --> 04:07:54.840 I mean, yeah, disc and holy. 04:07:54.940 --> 04:07:59.940 Holy as prayer, amending, renew, binding. 04:08:00.140 --> 04:08:03.440 So holy and disc instantly pass the check, right? 04:08:03.440 --> 04:08:04.540 Is there enough complexity? 04:08:04.540 --> 04:08:05.940 Yes for disc, yes for holy. 04:08:05.940 --> 04:08:06.940 Do we all agree there? 04:08:07.540 --> 04:08:10.840 Like, there's going to be a lot to press, like on the upper end, 04:08:10.840 --> 04:08:12.340 Honestly, Shadow. 04:08:12.340 --> 04:08:13.340 Let's think about Shadow. 04:08:16.640 --> 04:08:18.840 Shadow, you're gonna have Shadow or Pain. 04:08:19.840 --> 04:08:22.040 You have Shadow or Death when they get low. 04:08:22.040 --> 04:08:24.000 You have Mind Blast, he's on cooldown, 04:08:24.000 --> 04:08:25.680 and Mind Flay as a filler. 04:08:28.000 --> 04:08:28.840 That's four. 04:08:30.500 --> 04:08:32.080 You also have the Vowering Plague, 04:08:32.080 --> 04:08:33.640 that's a longer cooldown though. 04:08:35.000 --> 04:08:37.440 So Shadow is gonna have like five. 04:08:37.440 --> 04:08:39.120 You can even use Vampiric and Brace, 04:08:39.120 --> 04:08:42.160 Well, that's not a damage, you know, it's more utility. 04:08:42.160 --> 04:08:43.600 So let's call it five for shadow. 04:08:43.600 --> 04:08:45.480 So, so Priest is in a great spot. 04:08:45.480 --> 04:08:47.680 So the guy that critiqued about five minutes ago 04:08:47.680 --> 04:08:51.640 and said, every class is in a bad spot besides Paladin. 04:08:51.640 --> 04:08:53.040 So far, you're wrong, right? 04:08:53.040 --> 04:08:54.980 Like warriors in a good rotational spot, 04:08:54.980 --> 04:08:57.400 Pali's in a good one, Rogue is in a good one, and Priest. 04:08:57.400 --> 04:08:59.640 I'm not talking viability, just rotation, 04:08:59.640 --> 04:09:01.280 that you at least have a few buttons to press. 04:09:01.280 --> 04:09:03.680 So, so far, Mage is the sore thumb here. 04:09:03.680 --> 04:09:05.840 Mage is really like one or two buttons a lot. 04:09:05.840 --> 04:09:08.200 So let's keep looking. 04:09:08.200 --> 04:09:11.000 I'm gonna need your guys's help on Hunter and Shaman, 04:09:11.000 --> 04:09:12.200 Locke and Truid, 04:09:12.200 --> 04:09:14.900 because I haven't played a lot of these. 04:09:14.900 --> 04:09:16.600 I'm gonna need your help here, Chap. 04:09:24.000 --> 04:09:24.900 And Truid, yeah. 04:09:26.760 --> 04:09:27.960 Let's start with Truid, 04:09:27.960 --> 04:09:30.600 because at least I've played a little bit of Truid. 04:09:30.600 --> 04:09:34.640 Okay, so the reduces of the cast time are Wrath. 04:09:34.640 --> 04:09:38.600 There's Moonfire, Wrath, Starfire. 04:09:38.600 --> 04:09:43.240 This, this is the type of button 04:09:43.240 --> 04:09:45.980 I think mages could benefit from, right? 04:09:47.000 --> 04:09:48.880 Each time you cast a nature spell, 04:09:48.880 --> 04:09:52.520 your next arcane damage spell has increased damage. 04:09:52.520 --> 04:09:55.560 This is a type of ability that incentivizes 04:09:55.560 --> 04:09:56.800 different buttons to be pressed. 04:09:56.800 --> 04:10:00.800 It's the same ability design as Infusion of Light. 04:10:00.800 --> 04:10:03.940 It's the same ability design as Cutthroat. 04:10:04.640 --> 04:10:14.800 right? It's the same ability design as, as a lot, uh, I suppose as something like fingers of frost 04:10:15.520 --> 04:10:21.440 or hot streak, right? Or missile brush in a sense, kind of. 04:10:23.840 --> 04:10:28.720 So you're going to use moonfire to keep up the dot, presumably. You'll use wrath, 04:10:28.720 --> 04:10:32.000 but once you wrath enough, you'll start fires. That's three buttons. 04:10:34.640 --> 04:10:37.800 I assume you would also press insects warm. That's four 04:10:40.160 --> 04:10:46.400 So four you'll do like moon you'll pull with like a star fire and the moon fire and then insects warm and 04:10:47.300 --> 04:10:52.680 Then keep star firing until you get rats and a wrath until you start fire. So that's four. That's four 04:10:58.000 --> 04:10:59.760 And your room 04:10:59.760 --> 04:11:01.560 One of the things 04:11:01.560 --> 04:11:05.120 About moon kin. Oh, no, I was thinking about shadow form 04:11:05.280 --> 04:11:11.600 So let me go to priest real quick one of the things cool about shadow form is it reduces the mana cost of all shadow spells by 50% 04:11:12.400 --> 04:11:15.900 So shadow priests won't go many more because of that or at least a lot less 04:11:16.600 --> 04:11:20.520 Crazy crazy insane moonkins. I thought might have had something similar 04:11:21.200 --> 04:11:23.200 Hopefully moonkins don't just go. Oh, that would suck 04:11:23.200 --> 04:11:34.240 Farrell. I actually haven't looked at Farrell. So as far as I know, Farrell's helmet is going 04:11:34.240 --> 04:11:44.240 to get nerfed. Top left. Ruins system mana cost by 50% or half. Huge. Read Eclipse on 04:11:44.240 --> 04:11:56.960 the top right. Your wrath spells reduce the cast time of your next starfire by 0.5. Stores 04:11:56.960 --> 04:12:03.200 up to 4 charges last 15 seconds. Once again, another ability that incentivizes more buttons 04:12:03.200 --> 04:12:11.200 to be pressed. Eclipse, balance of nature, like make the spec more than one button. It's 04:12:11.200 --> 04:12:12.720 It's about four, right? 04:12:12.720 --> 04:12:13.680 It's about four. 04:12:15.760 --> 04:12:17.960 Okay, let's think about Farrell for a second. 04:12:19.840 --> 04:12:21.360 Mangle. 04:12:21.360 --> 04:12:22.720 Mangle's only bear form it looks like. 04:12:22.720 --> 04:12:24.680 So let's talk about like just DPS. 04:12:29.600 --> 04:12:31.000 Cause your Mangle. 04:12:31.000 --> 04:12:33.800 Just strike up to three targets, which is cool. 04:12:33.800 --> 04:12:35.480 Wait, is Mangle only? 04:12:36.960 --> 04:12:39.240 Is Berserk only gonna be bear form? 04:12:39.240 --> 04:12:41.880 Ooh, are you gonna go to bear in Berserk 04:12:41.880 --> 04:12:43.920 and when you're DPSing? 04:12:43.920 --> 04:12:45.440 I'm trying to think about this. 04:12:45.440 --> 04:12:46.880 Causes your mingle ability to strike up 04:12:46.880 --> 04:12:48.280 to three times who's going. 04:12:49.320 --> 04:12:50.880 It, oh, is it cat two? 04:12:53.160 --> 04:12:56.080 It says requires bear form or dire bear form 04:12:56.080 --> 04:12:57.680 unless there's something else. 04:13:09.240 --> 04:13:16.080 You can use Berserk in cat form. Yeah, or acquire his cat form, but it says it 04:13:16.080 --> 04:13:18.840 causes your Mangle to strike up the three and Mangle's only as well in bear or 04:13:18.840 --> 04:13:22.880 dire bear unless that's a typo. 04:13:26.000 --> 04:13:30.080 Hmm, you'll probably just use Berserk and keep shredding, right? You'll probably 04:13:30.080 --> 04:13:34.680 just use Berserk and keep shredding. It increases crit to 100% in cat. Yeah, 04:13:34.680 --> 04:13:37.240 Yeah, but I'm talking about Mangle, guys. 04:13:41.000 --> 04:13:41.840 Row read. 04:13:47.600 --> 04:13:51.280 Guys, we're talking about rotations here. 04:13:51.280 --> 04:13:52.960 We're trying to understand a Berserk. 04:13:54.360 --> 04:13:55.840 If we're gonna use Mangle as an ability, 04:13:55.840 --> 04:13:58.440 we're talking about if we're counting Mangle 04:13:58.440 --> 04:13:59.680 as a button to press, guys. 04:13:59.680 --> 04:14:01.480 That's what we're talking about, okay? 04:14:01.480 --> 04:14:08.480 Guys, guys, guys, read this if it doesn't. 04:14:08.480 --> 04:14:14.000 Chat has seven second intention span? 04:14:14.000 --> 04:14:16.200 Yeah, maybe, something like that. 04:14:16.200 --> 04:14:25.800 Okay, so you're going to use presumably no mangle in the DPS rotation, I think. 04:14:25.800 --> 04:14:38.200 You can probably use rip, probably use shred, probably use rake. 04:14:38.200 --> 04:14:41.560 Rip is an opener though, right? 04:14:41.560 --> 04:14:48.200 There's Tiger's Fury as well, and that grants you energy, so it's going to be Tiger's Fury, 04:14:48.200 --> 04:14:55.860 and a rake if we're not counting the opener. 04:14:55.860 --> 04:14:57.580 Oh, Anna Spender and a ferocious bite. 04:14:57.580 --> 04:14:59.620 So four. 04:14:59.620 --> 04:15:00.380 I don't know. 04:15:00.380 --> 04:15:04.060 I think four is a really nice sweet spot, you know? 04:15:11.100 --> 04:15:12.580 OK. 04:15:12.580 --> 04:15:14.420 That looks like, like I'm organized. 04:15:14.420 --> 04:15:16.500 We're going to every single class right now 04:15:16.500 --> 04:15:18.180 and trying to figure out what the rotation would 04:15:18.180 --> 04:15:23.780 look like. And so far, all the ones we've covered are in that like three to five range, right? Three 04:15:23.780 --> 04:15:28.820 to five button range. Rest assured, I would assume this would have a lot because you have swift mend, 04:15:29.380 --> 04:15:36.260 wild growth, regrowth, rejuve, and a healing touch. I mean, healers just have more buttons 04:15:36.260 --> 04:15:40.500 to press. Every healer we've looked at has so many buttons. At least five. 04:15:47.460 --> 04:15:53.220 There's no life bloom, right? Someone said life bloom. So that's fine. Yeah, that's good. That's 04:15:53.220 --> 04:15:58.340 fine. Okay, let's look at lock. Actually, let's do lock before hunter because I'm more familiar with lock. 04:16:06.260 --> 04:16:16.260 Yo, Streetpaw, thanks for the super chat. 04:16:16.260 --> 04:16:17.260 Finally catching you live. 04:16:17.260 --> 04:16:18.260 Thank you, man. 04:16:18.260 --> 04:16:19.260 Smooth brain to the super chat. 04:16:19.260 --> 04:16:22.260 After watching the deep dive, it seems to me forever raiding will be much more about 04:16:22.260 --> 04:16:23.940 utility versus parsing. 04:16:23.940 --> 04:16:24.940 That's awesome. 04:16:24.940 --> 04:16:26.140 Jindale, thanks for the 5. 04:16:26.140 --> 04:16:27.140 You missed that freeze. 04:16:27.140 --> 04:16:28.140 Can have holy damage spec. 04:16:28.140 --> 04:16:29.740 A holy damage spec. 04:16:29.740 --> 04:16:31.260 Now check disc and holy talents. 04:16:31.260 --> 04:16:32.260 Yeah, that's cool. 04:16:32.260 --> 04:16:33.260 Super cool. 04:16:33.260 --> 04:16:34.260 Sketch, thanks for the prime. 04:16:34.260 --> 04:16:35.260 Appreciate you, man. 04:16:35.260 --> 04:16:38.540 Thanks for the T1. 04:16:38.540 --> 04:16:40.380 OK, DESTRO. 04:16:40.380 --> 04:16:44.540 So right now, the DESTRO rotation, 04:16:44.540 --> 04:16:48.020 or the LOCK rotation in general, is one button. 04:16:48.020 --> 04:16:49.340 You press Shadow Bolt. 04:16:49.340 --> 04:16:51.500 I guess technically you put up Curse of Elements 04:16:51.500 --> 04:16:52.540 and then Shadow Bolt. 04:16:54.940 --> 04:16:56.340 Let's see what they've done. 04:17:05.260 --> 04:17:21.220 Um, you have a shout out burn aftermath, cataclysm. 04:17:21.220 --> 04:17:24.420 Increase the crit chance of searing pain and the damage on our destruction ignites a target 04:17:24.420 --> 04:17:29.780 is already inflicted by your emulate dealing more damage by the emulate, okay. 04:17:29.780 --> 04:17:33.780 Constance the crit. 04:17:33.780 --> 04:17:36.740 Dude, I hope there's a fire, Destro build that's sick. 04:17:39.260 --> 04:17:41.320 Okay, Bane of Havoc, got it. 04:17:46.060 --> 04:17:48.460 Deals 125 to 140 fire damage to your target 04:17:48.460 --> 04:17:50.780 and an additional 25% damage if the target's afflicted 04:17:50.780 --> 04:17:51.620 by MLA. 04:17:54.180 --> 04:17:56.820 Okay, so if the fire build works, 04:17:56.820 --> 04:17:58.820 what you would do is like keep up, 04:17:58.820 --> 04:18:03.820 You would like Imelay, Ensign, Can Flag, 04:18:05.300 --> 04:18:06.800 and then fill with, 04:18:13.100 --> 04:18:15.060 wait, is Ensign in a cooldown? 04:18:15.060 --> 04:18:17.820 I would assume there's a cooldown on Ensign, right? 04:18:17.820 --> 04:18:19.180 Bre-read, Shadow and Flame. 04:18:19.180 --> 04:18:20.580 Hitting an enemy with Can Flag 04:18:24.700 --> 04:18:27.780 increases all shadow damage you deal by 10 for 20 seconds 04:18:27.780 --> 04:18:28.940 and hitting an enemy with Shadowburn, 04:18:28.940 --> 04:18:30.380 increase all fire damage you deal. 04:18:30.380 --> 04:18:33.500 This is the kind of stuff we're looking for, man. 04:18:33.500 --> 04:18:37.180 This is what builds our rotation, right? 04:18:37.180 --> 04:18:38.500 Yes, okay. 04:18:38.500 --> 04:18:42.180 In addition, can flag has a 100% chance 04:18:43.060 --> 04:18:44.780 to not consume Immolate, 04:18:44.780 --> 04:18:46.900 and Shadowburn has a 100% chance 04:18:46.900 --> 04:18:48.620 to instantly refund a Soul Shard. 04:18:48.620 --> 04:18:51.260 Oh, so this builds the whole spec. 04:18:51.260 --> 04:18:53.220 So this is the type of talent Mage needs. 04:18:53.220 --> 04:18:54.260 They need something like this, 04:18:54.260 --> 04:18:56.860 because right now they don't have that. 04:18:56.860 --> 04:18:59.540 Man, I feel like I'm not smart enough to like build it. 04:18:59.540 --> 04:19:01.540 Like I want, I want to, like, okay, 04:19:01.540 --> 04:19:04.260 maybe I just haven't thought about it long enough. 04:19:04.260 --> 04:19:07.580 I want Mage to have something to make it 04:19:07.580 --> 04:19:09.440 to where the rotation is interesting, 04:19:09.440 --> 04:19:13.040 like every other spec in the game is so far, 04:19:13.040 --> 04:19:15.380 besides Mage, but we're not done with all of them. 04:19:15.380 --> 04:19:17.380 So maybe there's another weak link here. 04:19:20.540 --> 04:19:23.140 Wow, that's interesting. 04:19:23.140 --> 04:19:24.700 I don't even know if I'm good enough at Warlock 04:19:24.700 --> 04:19:26.960 to think about how this rotation would play out. 04:19:29.260 --> 04:19:31.800 But it sounds like it's similar to like a moonken. 04:19:35.040 --> 04:19:37.920 To where you would emulate and can flag, 04:19:37.920 --> 04:19:40.360 then swap to using shadow for a while 04:19:42.160 --> 04:19:45.720 until you shadow burn and then move back 04:19:45.720 --> 04:19:46.720 to emulate and can flags. 04:19:46.720 --> 04:19:49.460 You're either playing off emulate and can flag 04:19:49.460 --> 04:19:52.760 or shadow bolt and shadow burn. 04:19:52.760 --> 04:19:55.100 That's so cool, that's so cool. 04:19:56.460 --> 04:19:58.420 Oh my gosh. 04:19:58.420 --> 04:20:00.300 Like I said, I haven't played much lock, 04:20:00.300 --> 04:20:02.020 like at least in the end game setting, 04:20:02.020 --> 04:20:04.840 to like know enough, but like that is so cool. 04:20:12.260 --> 04:20:16.860 Okay, like demonology, I haven't looked at this too much. 04:20:19.860 --> 04:20:20.700 Okay. 04:20:20.700 --> 04:20:25.700 Okay, okay. 04:20:44.700 --> 04:20:48.700 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 04:20:48.700 --> 04:21:06.940 Whoa. So you can sack a pet and get the benefit from MD on something and then bring out another 04:21:06.940 --> 04:21:12.760 pet. Your steering pain generates less threat and your pet's next two attacks against the 04:21:12.760 --> 04:21:22.840 target, generate high threat, and deal 39 to 42 fire shot damage based on the pet. 04:21:22.840 --> 04:21:26.560 So you use searing pain to generate a debuff. 04:21:26.560 --> 04:21:32.040 So it'll be like searing pain, and then something else, and then something else, and then researing 04:21:32.040 --> 04:21:33.040 pain. 04:21:33.040 --> 04:21:40.800 So you want to keep searing pain so your pet pumps, unless there's a longer cooldown. 04:21:40.800 --> 04:21:41.800 Interesting. 04:21:41.800 --> 04:21:47.240 Reaches the cooldown of Soulfire by 45 when your cast Shadowbolt or Shearing Pain on an enemy below 35, they deal 04:21:47.920 --> 04:21:53.380 3% increased damage for the next 10 seconds or Soulfires will have its cast time reduced by 20 and cause no Soul Shards 04:21:53.440 --> 04:21:56.080 So they want Soulfire in your rotation 04:21:56.920 --> 04:21:58.920 presumably Shearing Pain in your rotation 04:21:59.720 --> 04:22:03.500 And I would assume you would go improve Shadowbolt anyway. So you do like Shadowbolt 04:22:04.640 --> 04:22:06.040 Soulfire 04:22:06.040 --> 04:22:09.960 Shearing Pain and then maybe even a daughter to in a curse 04:22:11.800 --> 04:22:16.980 Okay, so we can all agree Warlock is probably on the higher end as well for Destro and for 04:22:16.980 --> 04:22:18.140 Demonology. 04:22:18.140 --> 04:22:19.140 That's a lot. 04:22:19.140 --> 04:22:25.620 Well, I would even maybe say too, like maybe even too much, but let's just, maybe it's 04:22:25.620 --> 04:22:28.620 fine. 04:22:28.620 --> 04:22:29.620 Affliction is wild, isn't it? 04:22:29.620 --> 04:22:30.620 Let's see. 04:22:30.620 --> 04:22:32.740 Oh yeah, I remember reading this. 04:22:32.740 --> 04:22:34.180 So you have something called Drain Hope. 04:22:34.180 --> 04:22:37.100 Dude, Affliction looks so fun. 04:22:37.100 --> 04:22:42.540 all hope dealing damage every one second and increases all other shadow damage over timed 04:22:42.540 --> 04:22:43.540 dots. 04:22:43.540 --> 04:22:47.180 So they want a fliction playable and end game presumably and you're going to like drain 04:22:47.180 --> 04:22:51.940 with this new talent called drain hope which is kind of like Malefic Grasp or like Drain 04:22:51.940 --> 04:22:57.820 Soul except it's just a brand new ability is a channel which is going to like bump up 04:22:57.820 --> 04:23:02.660 all your dots. 04:23:02.660 --> 04:23:11.200 Siphon life is worth pressing. Agony, siphon life, corruption, drain life, and then you 04:23:11.200 --> 04:23:18.220 feel like shadowball, I would assume. So that's like five. Okay. I don't want to go too deep 04:23:18.220 --> 04:23:22.180 into every class, especially the ones that I'm less comfortable with, because it's just 04:23:22.180 --> 04:23:28.260 me yapping for no reason. But so far, if you're just tuning in, warrior has a complex enough 04:23:28.260 --> 04:23:32.360 rotation, Pali does, Rogue does, Priest does, Locke does, and Druid does. 04:23:33.800 --> 04:23:36.860 Let's take a look at Shaman and Hunter. Those are the last two. 04:23:36.960 --> 04:23:41.820 I'm gonna need your help here guys because I haven't played any Shaman. Shaman is my least played class, 04:23:41.820 --> 04:23:43.820 so I'm gonna need a lot of help here. 04:23:45.580 --> 04:23:49.380 Check discord, fire has a 4-button rotation. Let me see if I can... 04:23:50.280 --> 04:23:52.280 Crap, hold on. 04:23:58.260 --> 04:24:15.260 Oh, right, yeah, yeah, no, exactly, Gabby, yeah. 04:24:15.260 --> 04:24:20.320 I'm talking about like also while leveling, I'm talking about like while just interacting 04:24:20.320 --> 04:24:26.740 with the world, a quest, I'm not always just talking about like, like, okay, so we'll get 04:24:26.740 --> 04:24:27.740 to that in a second. 04:24:27.740 --> 04:24:32.860 that Gabby, maybe you already, maybe you just tuned in. So with fire, technically there are buttons 04:24:32.860 --> 04:24:38.380 to press, but effectively you never press them, especially while leveling. Effectively you'll 04:24:38.380 --> 04:24:42.380 never actually get a hot streak and a dungeon while leveling. That's the problem, but we covered 04:24:42.380 --> 04:24:51.340 that. But let's, let's get back to Shaman. Okay, let's start with Ellie because this is the first 04:24:51.340 --> 04:24:52.540 First one on the left. 04:25:01.380 --> 04:25:04.380 Okay, so I mean, you have lava burst, which is sick. 04:25:06.420 --> 04:25:09.880 You have lighting overload, which I think is really sick. 04:25:09.880 --> 04:25:10.780 Really sick. 04:25:21.340 --> 04:25:32.260 Um, reduces the cool down of your shock spells is the damage done. 04:25:32.260 --> 04:25:37.680 So, so Ellie, am I missing something here? 04:25:37.680 --> 04:25:43.620 Is it is it just going to be lightning pole filled with flame shock and lava burst? 04:25:43.620 --> 04:25:48.220 Is that is that I mean, so that's pretty on the light end. 04:25:48.220 --> 04:25:49.500 That's pretty on the light end. 04:25:49.500 --> 04:25:50.500 Yes. 04:25:50.500 --> 04:25:52.660 I mean, that's the lightest spec besides mage 04:25:52.660 --> 04:25:54.040 that we've seen. 04:25:54.040 --> 04:25:55.300 Chain lightning as well. 04:25:56.460 --> 04:25:57.500 Mm, I forgot about chain lightning. 04:25:57.500 --> 04:26:00.140 Chain lightning in classic is a cool-down, right? 04:26:00.140 --> 04:26:02.660 So you use like chain lightning for the cool-down, 04:26:02.660 --> 04:26:05.980 flame shock, lava burst, I would assume as a cool-down, 04:26:05.980 --> 04:26:07.660 and then fill with lightning bolts. 04:26:07.660 --> 04:26:09.300 And so another chain lightning, 04:26:09.300 --> 04:26:11.180 flame shock or lava burst and lightning bolt. 04:26:11.180 --> 04:26:13.900 And you guys are saying fire nova too. 04:26:13.900 --> 04:26:15.620 But are you gonna use fire nova single target? 04:26:15.620 --> 04:26:16.820 I would assume not. 04:26:16.820 --> 04:26:19.620 Maybe. 04:26:19.620 --> 04:26:28.180 No, no, yes, no. 04:26:28.180 --> 04:26:29.180 I mean, maybe. 04:26:29.180 --> 04:26:34.980 Maybe it's a single target. 04:26:34.980 --> 04:26:49.620 It depends on how much damage it does for the mana cost and for the global. 04:26:49.620 --> 04:26:51.500 I guess we don't know. 04:26:51.500 --> 04:26:53.500 We'll see. 04:26:53.500 --> 04:26:56.460 Anyway, Ellie is a little on the lighter end. 04:26:56.460 --> 04:27:00.220 Shane lightning, lightning bolt, lava burst and flame shock. 04:27:00.220 --> 04:27:03.500 Once again, while you're leveling, you're doing a quest, you're not just gonna go lightning 04:27:03.500 --> 04:27:05.420 lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt, lightning bolt. 04:27:05.420 --> 04:27:08.700 You might do like lightning bolt, flame shock, 04:27:08.700 --> 04:27:11.660 lava burst, lightning bolt, right? 04:27:11.660 --> 04:27:14.380 Like you have a couple different 1, 2, 3s to press. 04:27:14.380 --> 04:27:16.480 It's not just one, right? 04:27:17.980 --> 04:27:19.620 Read fire nova change below. 04:27:21.700 --> 04:27:23.740 A spell now, not a totem, got it. 04:27:23.740 --> 04:27:25.140 10 second cooldown, lost everything. 04:27:25.140 --> 04:27:26.340 Yeah, got it. 04:27:26.340 --> 04:27:29.520 Yeah, it really just depends. 04:27:29.520 --> 04:27:31.100 How much damage it does for the global 04:27:31.100 --> 04:27:33.100 if you're gonna use it or not, single target. 04:27:33.500 --> 04:27:42.700 Okay, let's let's chat in hands for a second, and I'm so happy we're actually taking the 04:27:42.700 --> 04:27:45.540 time to do this because when I was on the stage there, we did not have enough time to 04:27:45.540 --> 04:27:50.180 read all these. 04:27:50.180 --> 04:27:59.220 Okay, so you're going to have storm strike. 04:27:59.220 --> 04:28:15.980 Strike is a 12 second cooldown. Storm Strike can reset on Dodgers or Parries. It's a it 04:28:15.980 --> 04:28:19.660 It says 12 here, but maybe it's wrong. 04:28:25.780 --> 04:28:28.820 It seems a little on the lighter end. 04:28:28.820 --> 04:28:31.100 All right, so in-hands, I'm going to need your help here. 04:28:31.100 --> 04:28:34.100 Are you really just storm-striking and using a shock, 04:28:34.100 --> 04:28:36.340 and then storm-striking and using a shock, 04:28:36.340 --> 04:28:38.020 and then storm-striking and reading a shock? 04:28:41.460 --> 04:28:42.980 Yeah, I mean, is that really it? 04:28:42.980 --> 04:28:45.460 OK, so oh, it's the lightning bolts, 04:28:45.460 --> 04:28:46.580 Because that would be cool, let's see. 04:28:46.580 --> 04:28:47.900 When you deal damage with a melee attack, 04:28:47.900 --> 04:28:49.780 you have a chance to reduce the cast time in mana cost 04:28:49.780 --> 04:28:51.820 of your next lightning bullet by four, 04:28:51.820 --> 04:28:53.460 stacks up to five times. 04:28:54.300 --> 04:28:55.980 So you're gonna get a... 04:28:55.980 --> 04:28:58.780 Here, let's just fill this out to see how it stacks up. 04:29:03.540 --> 04:29:06.300 So it's gonna be a 20% quicker lightning pull. 04:29:06.300 --> 04:29:08.420 Is that even worth casting? 04:29:08.420 --> 04:29:10.820 20 at five? 04:29:11.700 --> 04:29:12.660 Huh? 04:29:12.660 --> 04:29:15.380 Wait, is that even worth casting? 04:29:15.380 --> 04:29:16.940 You know it's a hundred? 04:29:16.940 --> 04:29:18.860 Oh, okay, I'm seeing, I see. 04:29:18.860 --> 04:29:20.380 It's 20, but it stacks up to five, 04:29:20.380 --> 04:29:22.180 so it's gonna be an instant. 04:29:22.180 --> 04:29:23.020 Okay. 04:29:24.540 --> 04:29:25.420 I wonder what the chance is. 04:29:25.420 --> 04:29:26.980 It just says you have a chance. 04:29:26.980 --> 04:29:27.860 What's a chance? 04:29:27.860 --> 04:29:30.700 Is it 1%, 5%? 04:29:30.700 --> 04:29:31.860 Weird. 04:29:31.860 --> 04:29:33.820 You have a chance to reduce the cast time. 04:29:33.820 --> 04:29:35.980 Okay, so storm strike, storm strike, 04:29:35.980 --> 04:29:38.500 or storm strike, shock, 04:29:38.500 --> 04:29:39.660 whatever shock you're gonna use, 04:29:39.660 --> 04:29:41.020 storm strike, shock, 04:29:41.020 --> 04:29:44.900 and then eventually you get an instant lightning bolt. 04:29:44.900 --> 04:29:52.400 Okay, can we all agree, Inhanced might be a little on the lighter end in terms of rotation and then Fire Nova totem. 04:30:06.600 --> 04:30:09.200 Oh wait, so Fire Nova is just going to be a spell anyway. 04:30:09.200 --> 04:30:20.600 So you'll probably weave in firenovas, maybe. 04:30:20.600 --> 04:30:27.840 Totem twisting as well. 04:30:27.840 --> 04:30:33.920 I'm kind of, I've never played a shaman, I might be missing this, but it seems very 04:30:33.920 --> 04:30:34.920 light. 04:30:34.920 --> 04:30:38.800 Storm Shrike, a shock. 04:30:38.800 --> 04:30:41.200 Every now and then you'll press a lightning bolt. 04:30:43.960 --> 04:30:46.200 It is simple, it's mid, simple. 04:30:48.480 --> 04:30:49.640 Light but fun. 04:30:50.480 --> 04:30:52.320 That's, I mean, that's three buttons. 04:30:56.640 --> 04:30:59.320 Okay, I mean, it seems a little on the lighter end, 04:30:59.320 --> 04:31:02.720 especially compared to every other thing we've seen so far, 04:31:02.720 --> 04:31:04.400 but maybe it's fine. 04:31:04.400 --> 04:31:06.160 Maybe three is, maybe three is fine. 04:31:06.160 --> 04:31:07.360 Like we said, it doesn't have to, 04:31:07.360 --> 04:31:09.400 it's not like every class has to have the same amount 04:31:09.400 --> 04:31:10.620 of buttons to press. 04:31:10.620 --> 04:31:12.120 It can be, it can range. 04:31:12.120 --> 04:31:14.200 Some can have three, some can have five. 04:31:14.200 --> 04:31:15.520 That's fine. 04:31:15.520 --> 04:31:16.720 This one seems to be in the lighter end, 04:31:16.720 --> 04:31:17.960 which is probably fine. 04:31:22.040 --> 04:31:24.160 Rester, Shaman, say I've ripped tight now. 04:31:28.360 --> 04:31:29.960 You have Lesser and Corater. 04:31:32.280 --> 04:31:33.640 Do they have Chainheal? 04:31:34.400 --> 04:31:36.400 Or it's that TBC 04:31:40.240 --> 04:31:48.120 They also have Shane say of Shane lesser crater riptide that feels like all the healers have way like way more buttons to press through the DPS 04:31:48.360 --> 04:31:50.360 Holy crap 04:31:54.320 --> 04:31:56.320 Shane riptide lesser crater 04:31:58.560 --> 04:32:00.080 Okay 04:32:00.080 --> 04:32:06.940 Whatever it feels like healers all past this instantly just because they healers is a more bunse press maybe healing is just way harder than deeps 04:32:10.520 --> 04:32:15.700 Okay, true it so what what have we missed hunter hunters like the one that we haven't guys. I'm gonna need help here, too 04:32:15.700 --> 04:32:17.700 I haven't played too much honor 04:32:19.760 --> 04:32:21.760 We'll do BM first 04:32:21.760 --> 04:32:30.120 Ooh, Hunter seems, what, what do you actually press, Summon Hawk, Command Hawk to Dive? 04:32:30.120 --> 04:32:32.600 Okay, so you have Summon Hawk, that's one. 04:32:32.600 --> 04:32:36.120 Obviously like pet attack and auto attack. 04:32:36.120 --> 04:32:43.080 Um, what, what do you, what do you actually press in here? 04:32:43.080 --> 04:32:46.840 You have a Sting. 04:32:46.840 --> 04:32:51.280 You have a Sting, you have Arcane Shot, you have Summon Hawk and then your pet is attacking. 04:32:51.280 --> 04:32:53.360 I mean, BM seemed like if you're going to use Summon Hawk, 04:32:53.360 --> 04:32:55.200 Sting, and Arcane Shot, is that three? 04:32:58.800 --> 04:33:00.120 You'll also multi. 04:33:01.880 --> 04:33:03.880 I don't think you're going to aimed, right? 04:33:06.160 --> 04:33:07.000 Okay. 04:33:08.960 --> 04:33:11.040 You, oh, you can't Arcane because it replaces it. 04:33:11.040 --> 04:33:11.880 Let's see. 04:33:11.880 --> 04:33:13.280 Oh, you're right. 04:33:13.280 --> 04:33:16.040 Summon Hawk shares its cooldown with Arcane Shot. 04:33:16.040 --> 04:33:19.680 Okay, so you'll use a Sting, Summon Hawk, 04:33:19.680 --> 04:33:22.240 presumably if it's tuned correctly. 04:33:22.240 --> 04:33:23.080 Multi. 04:33:24.840 --> 04:33:25.680 And 04:33:27.520 --> 04:33:28.680 that's three. 04:33:32.200 --> 04:33:34.040 Oh, aimed his baseline shared CD. 04:33:36.800 --> 04:33:38.120 It's a quicker two second cast, 04:33:38.120 --> 04:33:40.440 six second cooldown shared with multi shot. 04:33:40.440 --> 04:33:41.480 Classic was three. 04:33:42.800 --> 04:33:45.840 The reader caught this cast time on Zaru stream. 04:33:45.840 --> 04:33:49.800 Spotted by a reader on Zaryu's stream. 04:33:49.800 --> 04:33:51.920 Guys, I knew that because it was on my stream. 04:33:51.920 --> 04:33:55.040 I read everything when I was there in person. 04:33:55.040 --> 04:33:57.640 That's why I was going to tell you guys, aim shot is across the board, 04:33:57.640 --> 04:33:59.080 and it does share with multi-shot. 04:34:04.080 --> 04:34:14.600 OK, so aim shot, aim shot, summon hawk and a sting, that's still three. 04:34:16.560 --> 04:34:18.560 Still kind of three 04:34:21.080 --> 04:34:23.080 Okay 04:34:23.080 --> 04:34:25.080 Kill command did I miss kill command? 04:34:26.880 --> 04:34:30.680 Maybe kill command just like a hunter talent here 04:34:35.760 --> 04:34:39.520 Doesn't look like there's kill command unless I'm tripping which I might be totally might be 04:34:45.840 --> 04:34:53.400 No kill command. No kill command. Okay. Okay. So Beast Mastery might be a little on the 04:34:53.400 --> 04:35:11.920 lighter end, but I feel like that's kind of how Beast Mastery usually looks. Okay. 04:35:11.920 --> 04:35:14.620 your pet into a rage. You have B.C. O'Rath. That's like a cool gun. 04:35:18.620 --> 04:35:21.020 The M is going to be S tier with pets disarming. 04:35:24.020 --> 04:35:25.220 Aiming his baseline cool. 04:35:25.820 --> 04:35:26.320 All right. 04:35:27.420 --> 04:35:30.320 Mark's man you have aimed shot baseline. 04:35:33.020 --> 04:35:34.220 Sniper shot. 04:35:34.820 --> 04:35:38.720 Four second cast. Holy crap. So, so now Mark sounds like a new 04:35:38.720 --> 04:35:41.720 aim shot called sniper shot because everyone has aim shot 04:35:41.720 --> 04:35:43.520 Now sniper shot is going to be even sicker. 04:35:43.520 --> 04:35:47.640 OK, so you have sniper shot and aim shot and lone wolf. 04:35:47.640 --> 04:35:49.480 Bro, Marx is going to be so cool. 04:35:49.480 --> 04:35:51.240 Oh my gosh. 04:35:51.240 --> 04:35:53.440 Are you going to bring for Nomargon back in forever? 04:35:53.440 --> 04:35:55.080 And we're not going to do for Nomargon, 04:35:55.080 --> 04:35:56.080 but we will have a guild. 04:35:56.080 --> 04:35:56.580 Yeah. 04:36:00.920 --> 04:36:09.000 OK, so sniper shot, aim shot, arcane shot, and a sting. 04:36:09.000 --> 04:36:17.080 So four, okay, and then survival is going to be the weirdest one to think about because 04:36:18.920 --> 04:36:23.480 it's a melee spec, strider kick, like no one's actually played this. It's a powerful kick that 04:36:23.480 --> 04:36:29.320 deals damage, it has an eight second cooldown, you have counter attack, you have 04:36:29.320 --> 04:36:40.520 traps. You'll probably use traps like on cooldown as a spec. You can use them in combat, I think, as well. 04:36:40.520 --> 04:36:56.920 Yeah, so traps. Mongoosebite is raptor strike still a thing, I would assume. Mongoosebite, raptor strike, 04:36:56.920 --> 04:36:59.620 like Strider Kick and Traps. 04:36:59.620 --> 04:37:01.720 For counting all Traps is one, it's four, 04:37:01.720 --> 04:37:06.560 and that's not even counting Counter Attack. 04:37:06.560 --> 04:37:08.040 Okay, so service like in a great spot. 04:37:08.040 --> 04:37:09.080 Okay. 04:37:09.080 --> 04:37:11.920 Okay, so we've covered every class in the game. 04:37:11.920 --> 04:37:15.160 Now let's go back to Mage and think about Frost. 04:37:15.160 --> 04:37:18.080 Frost has Frostbolt and Ice Lance. 04:37:18.080 --> 04:37:19.400 That is two. 04:37:19.400 --> 04:37:22.960 There is no other spec in the game with only two buttons. 04:37:22.960 --> 04:37:26.520 So now after that knowledge, 04:37:26.520 --> 04:37:30.200 We do need at least minimum a third button 04:37:30.200 --> 04:37:31.960 to press for Frost, minimum. 04:37:32.960 --> 04:37:34.400 One more, don't forget KonaCold. 04:37:34.400 --> 04:37:36.760 You don't use KonaCold in PvE, single target. 04:37:36.760 --> 04:37:39.720 Like, I'm not talking AoE grinding. 04:37:39.720 --> 04:37:42.640 I'm talking like, you know, in a rotation. 04:37:42.640 --> 04:37:44.860 How does a rotation feel, right? 04:37:46.400 --> 04:37:49.160 You're not gonna use Arcane Explosion, Frost Nova, 04:37:49.160 --> 04:37:50.000 none of that. 04:37:50.000 --> 04:37:52.240 Frost while leveling is already fine. 04:37:52.240 --> 04:37:54.960 I'm just talking about like, when we're on a fight. 04:37:56.520 --> 04:38:12.840 What what third spec what should we use? 04:38:12.840 --> 04:38:15.760 Without making a hybrid build of course you can make hybrid builds but you can make a 04:38:15.760 --> 04:38:19.520 hybrid build with warlock you can make a hybrid build with rope you can make a hybrid build 04:38:19.520 --> 04:38:22.240 with any of these. 04:38:22.240 --> 04:38:25.760 Mage has cool hybrid builds, I'll give it that. 04:38:25.760 --> 04:38:29.840 So maybe Mage, you just can't play Frost, you have to play a hybrid, and maybe that's 04:38:29.840 --> 04:38:31.220 okay. 04:38:31.220 --> 04:38:32.220 Maybe that's okay. 04:38:32.220 --> 04:38:39.200 But right now, Frost is a build and PvE has two buttons. 04:38:39.200 --> 04:38:40.200 I don't know if that's okay. 04:38:40.200 --> 04:38:41.280 I don't know. 04:38:41.280 --> 04:38:46.320 I think it would probably need minimum a third, but realistically, probably a fourth, because 04:38:46.320 --> 04:38:51.120 that's what most, you know, hmm. 04:38:51.120 --> 04:39:11.200 I'm thinking. Fire blast. You don't use fire blast in PvE as frost. It's not enough damage 04:39:11.200 --> 04:39:19.760 for the global cooldown. Orb. Orb could work. You probably want at least one more 04:39:19.760 --> 04:39:23.040 and maybe two is Frost, but I don't know. 04:39:23.040 --> 04:39:26.720 Flurry, Ebenbull, I don't want it to just stray from retail. 04:39:27.920 --> 04:39:31.160 Let's put Frost on the bench for now, 04:39:31.160 --> 04:39:32.520 and talk about Arcane. 04:39:33.600 --> 04:39:37.600 Cause after looking at every other spec in the game, 04:39:37.600 --> 04:39:40.720 I do think Frost needs more than two buttons in a rotation. 04:39:42.000 --> 04:39:43.320 I think it would. 04:39:43.320 --> 04:39:45.880 Something like Glacial Spike would work. 04:39:45.880 --> 04:39:48.760 I don't want to just take from retail, like, whatever. 04:39:48.760 --> 04:39:50.520 Okay, let's look at Arcane for a second. 04:39:51.680 --> 04:39:53.960 Arcane has stacking Arcane blasts, 04:39:55.080 --> 04:39:57.580 and Missile Barrage is a spender for missiles. 04:39:57.580 --> 04:39:59.120 Sick, I actually like it. 04:40:00.200 --> 04:40:01.680 What else are you pressing as Arcane 04:40:01.680 --> 04:40:03.240 besides blast and missiles? 04:40:10.640 --> 04:40:11.480 Nothing. 04:40:15.320 --> 04:40:18.100 So two buttons again for two of the Mage Specs. 04:40:18.100 --> 04:40:20.260 We just covered every spec in the game. 04:40:20.260 --> 04:40:22.620 They all have three to five. 04:40:22.620 --> 04:40:24.980 No other spec in the game has only two, 04:40:24.980 --> 04:40:26.440 besides Arcane and Frost. 04:40:28.060 --> 04:40:28.900 Okay. 04:40:30.020 --> 04:40:31.940 I don't know the answer to this yet, 04:40:31.940 --> 04:40:33.580 but it gives us some perspective. 04:40:37.220 --> 04:40:38.060 Fire. 04:40:40.380 --> 04:40:41.820 So as Gabby pointed out, 04:40:41.820 --> 04:40:44.540 the fire rotation on an end game boss 04:40:44.540 --> 04:40:53.800 We'll be using Scorch to put up Scorch stocks, you will be using Fireball as your main generator, 04:40:53.800 --> 04:40:58.200 you will be using Fireblast on cooldown presumably because it's, you know, going to give you 04:40:58.200 --> 04:41:04.040 a knight worth using as Fire, Crit, Chance is higher, and HotStrike will give you Pyro. 04:41:04.040 --> 04:41:10.640 So Fire has four, four buttons you'll actually press in a rotation at Endgame. 04:41:10.640 --> 04:41:19.040 So leveling, that's a whole different story, but endgame 4 on fire. 04:41:19.040 --> 04:41:26.760 So in that sense, the conversation shifts to how does Arcane and Frost work as a spec 04:41:26.760 --> 04:41:29.280 in the endgame? 04:41:29.280 --> 04:41:32.120 And maybe for now you could just say, well, don't play Frost, and maybe that's an acceptable 04:41:32.120 --> 04:41:34.320 answer, but let's think about Arcane. 04:41:34.320 --> 04:41:37.560 Arcane I don't think is an acceptable answer to say, well, just don't play Arcane, it's 04:41:37.560 --> 04:41:38.560 Arcane. 04:41:38.560 --> 04:41:40.560 Two buttons currently, how do you add a third? 04:41:42.480 --> 04:41:45.360 You currently never plus Fire Blast as is. 04:41:45.360 --> 04:41:47.400 Really, and PDU never use Fire Blast? 04:41:47.400 --> 04:41:49.160 Well, hopefully it's good enough. 04:41:49.160 --> 04:41:50.200 Read Arcane Blast again. 04:41:50.200 --> 04:41:52.080 Okay, blast the target to link damage. 04:41:52.080 --> 04:41:53.800 Each time you cast Arcane Blast, 04:41:53.800 --> 04:41:55.480 the damage of all your other Arcane spells 04:41:55.480 --> 04:41:59.800 increased by 10, and the mana cost of Arcane Blast 04:41:59.800 --> 04:42:01.880 increased by 175, 04:42:01.880 --> 04:42:05.360 affect stacks up to four times and lasts eight seconds, 04:42:05.360 --> 04:42:07.280 or until any other spells cast. 04:42:07.280 --> 04:42:10.240 That's about what we thought it did, cool. 04:42:10.240 --> 04:42:14.760 All other spells, yeah, that's about what we thought it did. 04:42:14.760 --> 04:42:19.100 Oh, oh, oh! 04:42:19.100 --> 04:42:25.680 I read it as all other arcane spells, not all other spells. 04:42:25.680 --> 04:42:26.180 Oh! 04:42:29.800 --> 04:42:35.520 So they want you to use arcane blast in every mage build. 04:42:35.520 --> 04:42:37.780 Ooh, I don't know if I even like that. 04:42:37.780 --> 04:42:39.080 Hmm, let me think about this now. 04:42:39.080 --> 04:42:41.480 Okay, I actually did read it as all other arcane. 04:42:50.600 --> 04:42:53.000 So like a, uh, ooh, okay, 04:42:53.000 --> 04:42:55.280 so this does change my opinion a little bit. 04:42:55.280 --> 04:42:57.060 I did read that one wrong. 04:42:57.060 --> 04:43:07.100 I'm just brainstorming on the spot here. 04:43:07.100 --> 04:43:13.420 You could then do like an Arcane Frost build, which once again is a hybrid build, but you 04:43:13.420 --> 04:43:30.740 could do something like this. You don't need ice barrier to raid. I mean, this, this bill 04:43:30.740 --> 04:43:41.260 would be really good. I mean, really, really good, right? Like this, this would be like 04:43:41.260 --> 04:43:53.660 really good. Frostbolt gives you missiles. Arcane Blast gives you extra damage on all 04:43:53.660 --> 04:43:57.300 your other spells. It could be like Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane 04:43:57.300 --> 04:44:02.300 Arcane Blast, Missle, ah, but when do you even, hmm. 04:44:05.180 --> 04:44:06.420 Yeah, I don't know how this would actually work 04:44:06.420 --> 04:44:07.860 as a route, I wonder if Arcane Blast, 04:44:07.860 --> 04:44:10.460 oh yeah, I don't know how that would work on a rotation. 04:44:14.260 --> 04:44:15.820 Maybe you wouldn't play Arcane Blast 04:44:15.820 --> 04:44:18.580 and you would just go Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, 04:44:18.580 --> 04:44:20.820 Missles, and say you got a proc, 04:44:20.820 --> 04:44:23.820 and then fingers to Frost, Frostbolt, Ice Lance, 04:44:23.820 --> 04:44:25.300 Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Missles. 04:44:25.300 --> 04:44:27.140 So at least this is three buttons. 04:44:27.140 --> 04:44:29.300 Frostbolt, Ice Lance, and Missiles, that's three. 04:44:32.420 --> 04:44:34.220 But here's the thing, 04:44:34.220 --> 04:44:36.940 is it acceptable to have a two button spec 04:44:36.940 --> 04:44:39.500 that only gets its third when you go halfway into Arcane? 04:44:39.500 --> 04:44:40.340 Is that acceptable? 04:44:40.340 --> 04:44:42.420 That's a question, I don't know. 04:44:42.420 --> 04:44:44.260 Like every other spec we've looked at 04:44:44.260 --> 04:44:47.740 has five, like three to five alone in their tree, 04:44:47.740 --> 04:44:50.660 alone without double dipping, right? 04:44:50.660 --> 04:44:53.820 Rogue, Hunter, Pally, Warrior, Preach, Shaman, 04:44:53.820 --> 04:44:58.700 Locked through everything except Mage has three to five alone without double dipping. 04:44:59.700 --> 04:45:01.700 Oh, you guys seem to think it's fine though. 04:45:04.580 --> 04:45:06.580 Maybe it's fine. 04:45:07.940 --> 04:45:15.340 It's three, it's two normally and three with double dipping an acceptable rotation for Frost. 04:45:16.100 --> 04:45:18.260 Assuming the Frost build would look something like this. 04:45:20.420 --> 04:45:22.420 Frostbilt, Frostbilt, Missiles, 04:45:22.420 --> 04:45:29.020 Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Ice Lance, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, Frostbolt, 04:45:29.020 --> 04:45:35.860 Ice Lance, Frostbolt, Missiles, Frostbolt, Missiles, Frostbolt, Frost, I don't know. 04:45:35.860 --> 04:45:41.940 It's a little on the light end to say the least. 04:45:41.940 --> 04:45:44.420 I still agree that Mages need another looking into. 04:45:44.420 --> 04:45:49.220 I would say Mages might be the top priority spec to look into in terms of rotational design 04:45:49.220 --> 04:45:51.780 right now though. 04:45:51.780 --> 04:45:54.040 When you compare it to every other one, I think mage is, 04:45:54.040 --> 04:45:55.660 I just don't know what to do about it. 04:45:55.660 --> 04:45:57.040 I wish I had answers. 04:46:01.380 --> 04:46:03.540 Yeah, it's a tough conversation to have 04:46:03.540 --> 04:46:05.740 because everyone will instantly say mage bias, 04:46:05.740 --> 04:46:07.420 but once again, I'll keep repeating. 04:46:07.420 --> 04:46:08.880 We're not talking about viability, 04:46:08.880 --> 04:46:10.140 we're not talking about DPS, 04:46:10.140 --> 04:46:12.700 and we're not talking about strength. 04:46:12.700 --> 04:46:17.700 The conversation is just rotation complexity. 04:46:18.140 --> 04:46:20.340 What buttons, how many buttons are you pressing, 04:46:20.340 --> 04:46:22.540 which buttons is it interesting to play? 04:46:22.540 --> 04:46:24.420 That is the conversation we're having. 04:46:24.420 --> 04:46:26.420 Not how much damage. 04:46:26.420 --> 04:46:30.160 Just, is it fun to press the buttons in this order? 04:46:31.000 --> 04:46:35.220 So far, Frost, Arcane seem to be the lightest two 04:46:35.220 --> 04:46:36.720 out of any spec in the game. 04:46:39.820 --> 04:46:41.900 Okay, let's take another look. 04:46:41.900 --> 04:46:44.940 So Frost kind of works if you go Missile Barrage. 04:46:44.940 --> 04:46:47.040 Let's take a look at Arcane now. 04:46:48.220 --> 04:46:50.140 Let's take a quick look at just like Arcane. 04:46:50.140 --> 04:46:51.460 You wanna be an Arcane Mage, right? 04:46:51.460 --> 04:46:53.100 You wanna fulfill that class fantasy. 04:46:53.100 --> 04:46:56.260 I wanna, you know, do a lot of damage as Arcane. 04:46:57.340 --> 04:47:00.380 So of course, you know, you'll get Arcane Power. 04:47:00.380 --> 04:47:04.140 Of course, you're gonna get, you know, Missile Barrage. 04:47:04.140 --> 04:47:07.060 It's gonna be Blast, Blast, Blast, Blast Barrage. 04:47:08.500 --> 04:47:10.300 Blast, Blast, Blast, Blast Barrage. 04:47:10.300 --> 04:47:11.460 Blast, Blast, Blast, Blast, Blast Barrage. 04:47:11.460 --> 04:47:16.380 Okay, so how would we then give it a third ability? 04:47:16.380 --> 04:47:17.220 Very, hold on. 04:47:17.220 --> 04:47:19.520 But before we add a third ability, like make one up, 04:47:19.520 --> 04:47:21.680 Is there something we can double dip in first? 04:47:24.160 --> 04:47:27.200 Like, it wouldn't make any sense to play like Fireball. 04:47:27.200 --> 04:47:29.840 I don't think Fireball should be worth using. 04:47:30.680 --> 04:47:31.680 Pyro. 04:47:35.200 --> 04:47:37.440 Don't think it would be worth using a Pyro in this build. 04:47:37.440 --> 04:47:39.320 Let's just entertain the idea, though, 04:47:39.320 --> 04:47:42.780 for a second and see maybe there's a way. 04:47:43.720 --> 04:47:45.920 Say you wanna ignite with Pyro. 04:47:49.520 --> 04:47:52.680 And it's something like this. Okay. Let's just think about this 04:47:53.540 --> 04:47:59.160 Could you build a rotation around this? Yeah, these are crits from fireball frost fireball fire blast and scorch so arcane 04:47:59.720 --> 04:48:03.220 Blast won't proc it missile barrage won't proc it. I 04:48:04.240 --> 04:48:06.240 Don't think this works 04:48:10.840 --> 04:48:16.800 No, you would just use arcane blast that's what I'm saying I wanted to think about it, but I don't think this would work as a spec 04:48:16.800 --> 04:48:22.160 Frostfire Bolt, yeah, we'll have that Frostfire Bolt conversation in a sec, which not actually 04:48:22.160 --> 04:48:26.040 does look like a sick build. 04:48:26.040 --> 04:48:33.120 You have Palm though, so every three minutes you could Palm Pyro instead of Palm Arcane 04:48:33.120 --> 04:48:34.120 Blast. 04:48:34.120 --> 04:48:44.080 I don't even know if that'd be better. 04:48:44.080 --> 04:48:48.840 stack Arcane Blast might do more than a Pyro. I actually don't even know. Okay, so let's 04:48:48.840 --> 04:48:52.200 take that off the table. What if you went like Arcane Frost? Is there anything that 04:48:52.200 --> 04:49:09.360 can double dip his Arcane Frost? I don't think so. Actually, you could do a Frost Firebolt 04:49:09.360 --> 04:49:21.480 build. But then you wouldn't cast Arcane Blast. Pause this conversation. We'll go back to 04:49:21.480 --> 04:49:26.280 it in just a sec. This build would be sick. You have five points here for shorter Frostfire 04:49:26.280 --> 04:49:31.320 Bolt. You get rid of Arcane Blast because you don't even need it. You're not even going 04:49:31.320 --> 04:49:37.720 to use Arcane Blast. Okay. You're going to spam Frostfire Bolt, Missile Barrage to give 04:49:37.720 --> 04:49:41.880 you procs and it's quicker because of this and then Frostfirebolt is going to give you 04:49:41.880 --> 04:49:45.880 crit here. 04:49:45.880 --> 04:49:50.960 You can't get shatter with this. 04:49:50.960 --> 04:49:57.920 Nah, okay, no that's not going to work. 04:49:57.920 --> 04:50:01.760 So there is a Frostfirebolt build but you go Frost and fire, Frostfirebolt. 04:50:01.760 --> 04:50:07.340 Um, yeah, that's fine. 04:50:07.600 --> 04:50:07.760 Okay. 04:50:07.760 --> 04:50:10.880 Going back to the conversation of arcane, how do you make arcane more 04:50:10.880 --> 04:50:12.160 complex than two buttons? 04:50:12.280 --> 04:50:13.840 That's the question on the table. 04:50:14.600 --> 04:50:15.920 That's the question on the table. 04:50:15.960 --> 04:50:18.200 You can't go anything in fire to give it a third. 04:50:18.320 --> 04:50:19.880 You can't go anything in frost to give it a third. 04:50:19.880 --> 04:50:24.560 So as of right now, arcane has two buttons to hit arcane blast and arcane 04:50:24.560 --> 04:50:24.960 missiles. 04:50:24.960 --> 04:50:27.400 Those are the only two you need. 04:50:27.400 --> 04:50:28.400 You can't have two. 04:50:28.460 --> 04:50:29.040 Do we all agree? 04:50:29.040 --> 04:50:29.960 We can't have only two. 04:50:29.960 --> 04:50:31.960 No other spec in the game as to 04:50:32.840 --> 04:50:35.920 Arcane is the only one frost also is another but 04:50:37.840 --> 04:50:40.880 Every other spec has three to five sometimes some six. I 04:50:42.240 --> 04:50:44.240 Don't think I don't think you can have a speck with you 04:50:50.960 --> 04:50:55.480 Is it just is it just arcane barrage, that's just the obvious boring answer though 04:50:56.800 --> 04:50:59.680 Arcane barrage is just an obvious boring answer 04:50:59.960 --> 04:51:07.520 Okay, let's bench arching barrage just for a second and try to think more creatively 04:51:07.520 --> 04:51:18.320 because arching barrage is like, yeah, you could, but like 04:51:18.320 --> 04:51:28.480 Hellfire, stop complicating classic. 04:51:28.480 --> 04:51:33.040 So like what I'm doing is bringing, I'm trying to theorycraft and how we would bring Mage 04:51:33.040 --> 04:51:35.580 in line with every other spec in the game. 04:51:35.580 --> 04:51:42.520 So not to complicate it more than any other spec, but to bring it up to every other spec. 04:51:42.520 --> 04:51:43.760 Obvious rage bait ban that guy. 04:51:43.760 --> 04:51:44.760 Yeah. 04:51:44.760 --> 04:51:45.760 Yeah. 04:51:45.760 --> 04:51:46.760 Just for people tuning in though. 04:51:46.760 --> 04:51:51.760 Um, there's a third button to press. 04:51:55.760 --> 04:51:57.760 I hate to say it. Maybe it's just barrage. 04:51:57.760 --> 04:51:58.760 Oh, gosh. 04:51:58.760 --> 04:52:04.760 And if you just do barrage, though, it just feels like a copy pace from any other arcane spec ever. 04:52:04.760 --> 04:52:06.760 I want something more interesting. 04:52:06.760 --> 04:52:09.760 Wand, like a wand proc or something. 04:52:11.760 --> 04:52:15.760 Talk to the mad shy, maybe, maybe. 04:52:15.760 --> 04:52:17.760 But that already exists on retail. 04:52:25.760 --> 04:52:27.760 Look at Turtle Wow Talons. What did they do on Turtle Wow? 04:52:32.760 --> 04:52:33.760 That's actually a good idea. 04:52:35.760 --> 04:52:38.760 That's actually a great idea. Is this Turtle Wow right here? 04:52:40.760 --> 04:52:41.760 Crap. 04:52:45.760 --> 04:52:58.960 It's actually not a bad idea. 04:52:58.960 --> 04:53:03.480 Is this turtle well? 04:53:03.480 --> 04:53:05.480 Is this Octo well? 04:53:05.480 --> 04:53:07.480 Yes? 04:53:07.480 --> 04:53:11.880 Okay, okay. 04:53:11.880 --> 04:53:17.320 So they gave the arcane missiles a chance to reset the cooldown of arcane rupture and 04:53:17.320 --> 04:53:19.160 cause it to return to its base. 04:53:19.160 --> 04:53:20.520 It's arcane rupture. 04:53:20.520 --> 04:53:25.580 Your successful damaging arcane spells have a chance to duplicate for 50% of the damage 04:53:25.580 --> 04:53:28.400 effect and trigger off itself and duplicate arcane missiles that are found in tandem with 04:53:28.400 --> 04:53:29.400 the original cast. 04:53:29.400 --> 04:53:33.360 That's interesting, but it doesn't give you another button. 04:53:33.360 --> 04:53:34.360 Arcane rupture. 04:53:34.360 --> 04:53:37.880 Rupture, target, but the force of contrainted arcane energy dealing arcane damage, so it's 04:53:37.880 --> 04:53:38.880 just arcane blast. 04:53:38.880 --> 04:53:39.880 Well, kinda. 04:53:39.880 --> 04:53:48.960 wait no not really kind of not really looks like the tooltip 04:54:01.960 --> 04:54:08.120 so it's turtle wow arcane mage also two buttons is that what I'm seeing here oh 04:54:08.120 --> 04:54:11.600 Oh my gosh, I think I'm losing my voice 04:54:19.640 --> 04:54:21.640 Guys, I don't know if I'm smart enough 04:54:22.440 --> 04:54:28.760 Maybe this is what the mage designer is running into. How do you design mage? 04:54:29.560 --> 04:54:33.840 To have that third button Frost has to arcane as to 04:54:38.120 --> 04:54:55.680 Can you clear cast a pyro clear cast is just mana cost though. 04:54:55.680 --> 04:55:02.000 That's always what mage has been buddy. 04:55:02.000 --> 04:55:05.320 Mage looks so boring to play compared to all the other classes well that's why we're having 04:55:05.320 --> 04:55:06.880 this conversation. 04:55:06.880 --> 04:55:08.980 It's easy to complain. 04:55:08.980 --> 04:55:13.000 It's harder to come up with solutions to the things that you're complaining about. 04:55:13.000 --> 04:55:16.840 I can sit here all day and say, oh, mages are boring to play. 04:55:16.840 --> 04:55:19.480 That's why I'm trying to come up with what would I do? 04:55:19.480 --> 04:55:21.480 And I don't know. 04:55:21.480 --> 04:55:22.480 Dang it. 04:55:22.480 --> 04:55:28.000 I don't know how to add a third button, man. 04:55:28.000 --> 04:55:30.000 Ask chat GPT. 04:55:30.000 --> 04:55:33.160 Okay, let's pause the conversation. 04:55:33.160 --> 04:55:34.360 I don't know. 04:55:34.360 --> 04:55:36.480 What I will say is this. 04:55:36.480 --> 04:55:39.720 If I'm a mage, what spec do I want to play? 04:55:39.720 --> 04:56:03.420 Right away the most interesting, fascinating build to me is this. 04:56:03.420 --> 04:56:11.140 right there. You spam Frost Firebolt. You're benefiting from Ignite. Improved Scorch, Firepower, 04:56:11.140 --> 04:56:16.540 Critical Mass, Master of Elements, and Piercing Ice, Ice Shards, Fingers of Frost, and Shatter. 04:56:16.540 --> 04:56:22.780 As an MMO gamer, as an RPG gamer, it is so cool when you have one ability that gets benefited 04:56:22.780 --> 04:56:31.720 from all these things and you're like, oh, like it feels sick, right? Then, if you get 04:56:31.720 --> 04:56:37.400 Frostfirebolt proc'ing, you can spend on Ice Lance, if you get Crit you can spend on Pyro. 04:56:40.200 --> 04:56:46.520 So you have Pyro, Ice Lance, Frostfirebolt, and I think Scorch. 04:56:48.440 --> 04:56:54.200 So that's like four. I think this would be fun to play. I think this would be fun to play. I like 04:56:54.200 --> 04:57:03.240 this build. I think it's sick. That's fine. Four is enough for me, bro. Like, that's good. 04:57:03.240 --> 04:57:10.200 That's a fun spec. I would play that. I would play that. So problem solved. Kinda. Kinda 04:57:10.200 --> 04:57:16.640 problem solved. When we look at something like Rogue, assassination is a viable build 04:57:16.640 --> 04:57:21.160 with a few buttons. Combat's a viable build with a few buttons and sub. When you look at 04:57:21.160 --> 04:57:23.240 respect like Hunter, Beast Mastery has a few buttons, 04:57:23.240 --> 04:57:24.680 Marks and Survival. 04:57:24.680 --> 04:57:27.460 When you look at Warrior, Arms Fury and Prott, 04:57:28.320 --> 04:57:31.000 when you look at Truid, Balance, Feral and Restless, 04:57:31.000 --> 04:57:33.360 all of them have three to five buttons to press. 04:57:33.360 --> 04:57:36.200 Mage, the only way to get to that four button range 04:57:36.200 --> 04:57:38.080 is by making a hybrid build. 04:57:38.080 --> 04:57:39.280 So maybe the answer is, 04:57:39.280 --> 04:57:41.280 mages have to play a hybrid build. 04:57:42.360 --> 04:57:44.440 You either play hybrid arcane fire, 04:57:44.440 --> 04:57:47.720 hybrid arcane frost, hybrid fire frost, 04:57:47.720 --> 04:57:50.160 maybe that's just it. 04:57:50.160 --> 04:57:54.520 Mages are a hybrid build in PV, 04:57:54.520 --> 04:57:56.200 like you have to go frost arcane, 04:57:56.200 --> 04:58:00.620 fire frost, or you could go deep arcane, 04:58:00.620 --> 04:58:02.120 but then that's two buttons. 04:58:05.160 --> 04:58:06.200 I miss hybrid spec-ing. 04:58:06.200 --> 04:58:08.620 Yeah, I mean, maybe that's the answer. 04:58:08.620 --> 04:58:10.420 Mages always kind of go hybrid. 04:58:17.120 --> 04:58:19.440 Most DPS is gonna be deep arcane though. 04:58:19.440 --> 04:58:23.920 Okay, so once again, if we return to Deep Arcane, 04:58:25.880 --> 04:58:29.700 in your Blizzard, your John Blizzard, your name is John, 04:58:31.760 --> 04:58:36.240 what do you do assuming, we all agree Deep Arcane 04:58:36.240 --> 04:58:37.440 should be a spec, right? 04:58:38.680 --> 04:58:41.120 Assuming you want to play Deep Arcane, 04:58:41.120 --> 04:58:43.760 right now it's two buttons only, only two buttons, 04:58:43.760 --> 04:58:46.200 Arcane Blast of Missiles, what is the third one 04:58:46.200 --> 04:58:48.040 you would add if you're John Blizzard? 04:58:49.440 --> 04:58:52.200 Nothing hybrid is going to fix this, right? 04:58:52.200 --> 04:58:53.520 Going into fire doesn't fix this. 04:58:53.520 --> 04:58:54.680 Going into frost doesn't fix it. 04:58:54.680 --> 04:58:56.480 What do you add? 04:58:56.480 --> 04:59:06.120 Orb, Barrage, Nether Tempest. 04:59:12.720 --> 04:59:14.320 Nothing, it's fine. 04:59:14.320 --> 04:59:15.160 I don't know. 04:59:15.160 --> 04:59:19.160 I think I'll just call that one out and just say, 04:59:19.160 --> 04:59:22.480 I guess I'll just say I respectfully disagree with you. 04:59:22.480 --> 04:59:24.960 I don't think a two-button rotation is OK. 04:59:24.960 --> 04:59:28.840 Like, when every other class has three to five, 04:59:28.840 --> 04:59:30.280 I think two is unacceptable. 04:59:30.280 --> 04:59:34.200 I think more thought needs to go into it. 04:59:34.200 --> 04:59:34.840 Thank you. 04:59:34.840 --> 04:59:37.120 Yeah, I just don't think that's acceptable. 04:59:37.120 --> 04:59:39.360 I don't think that's like, oh, we did a good job. 04:59:39.360 --> 04:59:43.120 That's no, there's room to be more creative here. 04:59:43.120 --> 04:59:44.680 Two buttons is not an acceptable thing. 04:59:49.160 --> 05:00:04.400 Yeah, the cop-out answer is Barrage. 05:00:04.400 --> 05:00:08.000 People are saying Prismatic Bolt, so I actually haven't played Retail since they added this 05:00:08.000 --> 05:00:11.000 new ability called Prismatic Bolt. 05:00:11.000 --> 05:00:18.040 I don't like the idea of copying from Retail, but I want to see what this does because I 05:00:18.040 --> 05:00:23.880 actually haven't played it. Arcane Brash is the one percentage percent... okay, 05:00:23.880 --> 05:00:29.400 it's not equal. Devastates the target with overwhelming energy, dealing a bunch of 05:00:29.400 --> 05:00:35.120 spell power and arcane damage to them, and arcane damage other nearby enemies 05:00:35.120 --> 05:00:40.840 damage reduced beyond five targets. Oh, wait, didn't they just rename Arcane Pulse? 05:00:40.840 --> 05:00:42.840 Wasn't this called Arcane Pulse? 05:00:44.680 --> 05:00:46.680 Am I tripping? 05:00:50.620 --> 05:00:52.780 No? Wait what? I thought totally. 05:00:57.580 --> 05:01:03.400 Arcane Pulse erupts from underneath your target dealing spell power damage to all enemies in the 8 yards, damage is beyond 5. 05:01:04.480 --> 05:01:06.480 This generates an Arcane Stack. 05:01:08.000 --> 05:01:10.320 This generates forced charges. 05:01:10.840 --> 05:01:14.360 This generates one shard is very similar. Am I trippin? 05:01:16.680 --> 05:01:20.340 2.5 second cast 40 yard range 2 second cast 05:01:23.340 --> 05:01:26.460 Very similar it's a big cast proc though 05:01:26.460 --> 05:01:30.760 Oh because of the arcane barrage stuff arcane brush has a 1% chance per stack of 05:01:31.420 --> 05:01:34.500 Arcane salvo consume to replace your next arcane blast 05:01:35.320 --> 05:01:38.320 With prismatic bolt. Oh it auto replaces it with you 05:01:38.320 --> 05:01:45.960 It just made it just replaces your button for you 05:01:45.960 --> 05:01:54.360 That's actually funny, okay, so you keep spamming the same button though 05:01:54.360 --> 05:01:59.280 You don't actually have to use a different key bind. That's hilarious. I don't know why I think it's so funny 05:01:59.280 --> 05:02:00.280 That's funny. 05:02:00.280 --> 05:02:05.980 Oh my gosh. 05:02:05.980 --> 05:02:16.200 Something like whenever a stack of blast is removed, you have a chance to proc a fat 05:02:16.200 --> 05:02:17.200 spell. 05:02:17.200 --> 05:02:18.200 Rune of power. 05:02:18.200 --> 05:02:19.560 I never liked Rune of Power. 05:02:19.560 --> 05:02:20.560 Make Fire Blast useful. 05:02:20.560 --> 05:02:25.840 100% crit chance to keep fast pyro buffs, scorch for T-Buff, fireball. 05:02:25.840 --> 05:02:28.240 I think it's the main cool on a presence of mind. 05:02:31.880 --> 05:02:32.920 It's not a bad idea. 05:02:34.120 --> 05:02:35.760 What does Comprehense Skrull do? 05:02:35.760 --> 05:02:38.680 Nothing, I think it's leftover from like sod or something. 05:02:38.680 --> 05:02:39.520 Does he not read YouTube? 05:02:39.520 --> 05:02:41.320 Yeah, I do with seven, what do I have J? 05:02:43.400 --> 05:02:46.080 Arcane Crystal, I never liked Crystal. 05:02:46.080 --> 05:02:48.120 Fire Blast for increased damage 05:02:48.120 --> 05:02:50.040 and to reset Arcane Blast mana cost 05:02:50.040 --> 05:02:51.520 and can also proc Ignite. 05:02:55.840 --> 05:03:04.000 Are you saying as is see you're saying as is you want to do something like just use fire blast on cool down 05:03:05.840 --> 05:03:09.640 Like some like some you're just saying like oh you could just do this 05:03:12.880 --> 05:03:19.800 And like use arcane blast and fire blast on cool down just to like I don't know if that would even be worth the global 05:03:19.800 --> 05:03:22.420 I'm gonna be honest. I don't know how that would be worth the global 05:03:25.840 --> 05:03:31.400 I'm not sold that arcane is a two-button spec for anyone that's not sold that it's a two-button spec currently 05:03:31.400 --> 05:03:36.200 I would love to hear what the third button is. Please. Please tell me 05:03:49.280 --> 05:03:52.000 Yeah, I've seen it conjure water true 05:03:52.000 --> 05:03:54.200 Whoo-hoo-hoo, true. 05:03:54.200 --> 05:03:55.800 Make your food, Mage. 05:03:58.960 --> 05:04:00.120 I'm gonna go to the restroom guys. 05:04:00.120 --> 05:04:02.040 I've been live for five hours, haven't left once. 05:04:02.040 --> 05:04:02.880 I'm gonna go to the restroom, 05:04:02.880 --> 05:04:04.120 I'm gonna keep thinking about this. 05:04:04.120 --> 05:04:07.440 Please guys, we need to fix Arcane. 05:04:08.560 --> 05:04:09.800 Guys if we have a good enough idea, 05:04:09.800 --> 05:04:13.120 maybe we'll even send it to Blizzard's direction to see, 05:04:13.120 --> 05:04:15.240 but right now I'm not thinking of anything good 05:04:15.240 --> 05:04:17.280 and all of your guys' suggestions, 05:04:17.280 --> 05:04:18.680 we haven't thought of anything yet, 05:04:18.680 --> 05:04:20.760 so we gotta think of something, we're back. 05:06:52.000 --> 05:07:10.000 I think it's going to be a 05:07:10.000 --> 05:07:15.960 Dang it after going to the bathroom. Maybe it is just arcane barrage. Maybe maybe made this just need that. Maybe it's just barrage 05:07:16.520 --> 05:07:19.560 It's boring. I can't come up with anything better 05:07:20.400 --> 05:07:25.780 Can any can anyone else arcane barrage? That's the only thing I can think of you guys actually have some suggestions and shallots read these 05:07:26.640 --> 05:07:28.640 wand 05:07:29.320 --> 05:07:35.980 Arcane integration of beam it can hit more targets. I don't like channeled stuff like beam is kind of one missile stacks increase 05:07:35.980 --> 05:07:41.820 Wand, Missile, Stacks, Buff, increases 1 Wand, Auto Damage, so like Wand and 05:07:41.820 --> 05:07:45.180 Irrotation, I don't know how fun that sounds, Arcane Roon, that doesn't sound 05:07:45.180 --> 05:07:50.140 good, Arcane Shock, what would that be? Channeled Arcane Siphon, Teal Damage, 05:07:50.140 --> 05:07:55.740 Trains, Energy, Elemental Exchange, buffs the next cast or spell from other 05:07:55.740 --> 05:08:01.540 schools of magic by using a spell from a different school of magic. So the more 05:08:01.540 --> 05:08:03.100 Or you cast Arcane Blast. 05:08:05.540 --> 05:08:07.140 Ooh, that's interesting. 05:08:07.140 --> 05:08:09.860 That's actually a good idea, maybe. 05:08:09.860 --> 05:08:12.660 Cause you could buff up Arcane Blast to four stack 05:08:12.660 --> 05:08:16.140 and then like Palma Pyro or something. 05:08:16.140 --> 05:08:17.180 That might be cool. 05:08:17.180 --> 05:08:18.360 Like something like that. 05:08:18.360 --> 05:08:20.540 Like the more you cast Arcane, 05:08:20.540 --> 05:08:24.500 it's gonna give you a benefit to do something else. 05:08:24.500 --> 05:08:26.300 Like that's the kind of stuff we're looking for. 05:08:26.300 --> 05:08:29.100 That idea already could, that could be kind of cool. 05:08:29.100 --> 05:08:34.620 It already kind of does do that, yeah, but you wouldn't be incentivized to use it in 05:08:34.620 --> 05:08:47.140 any like unique way right now. 05:08:47.140 --> 05:08:48.700 What are you, what doesn't it already do that? 05:08:48.700 --> 05:08:53.220 Yeah, but it needs to be like, like right now it's like, okay, each time you cast Arcane 05:08:53.220 --> 05:09:02.820 And last you get 10% extra damage on all other spells, so 40%. 05:09:02.820 --> 05:09:08.780 What spell do you want to use when you have four stacks of this? 05:09:08.780 --> 05:09:16.340 Probably another Arcane Blast, or you spend with missiles to reset if you're going, um. 05:09:16.340 --> 05:09:17.340 Palm Pyro, exactly. 05:09:17.340 --> 05:09:21.420 Yeah, like Palm Pyro, but that's every three minutes. 05:09:21.420 --> 05:09:23.420 You're not going to hard cast a pyro. 05:09:23.420 --> 05:09:25.620 A palm pyro every three minutes could work. 05:09:30.420 --> 05:09:33.300 Yeah, so I mean, I guess you could do this. 05:09:36.460 --> 05:09:36.820 Right. 05:09:36.820 --> 05:09:39.740 And every three minutes, you'll like you can pre-pull the pyro 05:09:39.940 --> 05:09:42.300 and then every three minutes, palm pyro. 05:09:42.300 --> 05:09:44.380 But like, you know. 05:09:51.420 --> 05:10:01.420 Arcane Echo, here's how it would work. A quick 1.5 second cast spell that can only be used immediately after your Arcane Missile finishes channeling. 05:10:01.420 --> 05:10:11.420 Okay, it deals damage equal to a portion of the total damage dealt by that channel. You clip a missile, it runs the spell. 05:10:11.420 --> 05:10:22.540 So in a spell called Arcane Echo, and you can only use it while casting missiles, you 05:10:22.540 --> 05:10:30.180 have to like missile and then like echo, huh, that's interesting, I don't know, it's creative, 05:10:30.180 --> 05:10:33.820 I don't know if I like it, but it's very creative. 05:10:33.820 --> 05:10:41.300 Man, being a class designer would be so hard. 05:10:41.300 --> 05:10:43.340 It would be so hard, man. 05:10:43.340 --> 05:10:47.900 Goodness gracious. 05:10:47.900 --> 05:10:54.480 New skill arcane eruption per crit build charges on target, explode natural resistances for 05:10:54.480 --> 05:10:57.540 negative to resist. 05:10:57.540 --> 05:10:58.380 Hmm. 05:11:00.980 --> 05:11:04.900 Isn't a 40% buffed fireball worth the lingering dot? 05:11:04.900 --> 05:11:06.300 I don't think so. 05:11:06.300 --> 05:11:07.800 Maybe I'm wrong, let me check. 05:11:21.460 --> 05:11:24.100 The thought like a max range fireball 05:11:24.100 --> 05:11:26.560 would leave a 76 damage dot. 05:11:27.540 --> 05:11:33.740 So like I assume your question is like what if you just got like improved fireball and you go like arcane bus arcane bus arcane play 05:11:33.780 --> 05:11:36.020 Blast arcane blast and then fireball I 05:11:38.380 --> 05:11:41.900 Don't think that would be worth, but maybe I'm wrong 05:11:43.700 --> 05:11:45.700 Doesn't seem like it would be worth 05:11:45.700 --> 05:11:57.860 Why is mage so hard to design when they did a great job with all the other ones or at least 05:11:57.860 --> 05:12:01.020 I don't want to say great with all of them but like they did a pretty good job with all 05:12:01.020 --> 05:12:08.120 the other ones like how is mage so hard to get right like what the heck like they did 05:12:08.120 --> 05:12:14.540 it so easily with paladin warrior rogue hunter priest shaman log druid why are we struggling 05:12:14.540 --> 05:12:41.900 so hard. Is it because mate? Yeah, mate. It's just, yeah, okay. Just thinking out loud here, 05:12:41.900 --> 05:13:01.340 out here. You know how hunters have Summon Hawk that effectively replaces Arcane Shot 05:13:01.340 --> 05:13:08.100 if you're Beast Mastery? And Summon Hawk fits the Beast Mastery lore better than Arcane 05:13:08.100 --> 05:13:13.940 shot. It's effectively the same button. What if for mages you did something with fireball 05:13:13.940 --> 05:13:23.460 fire blast for arcane you gave a replacement to fire blast under arcane that did like a 05:13:24.980 --> 05:13:30.100 I don't know arcane arcane blast and I already exist crap. I don't know what you name it. 05:13:30.100 --> 05:13:35.100 that was a third button to press, right? 05:13:35.880 --> 05:13:39.140 That was a filler spell that you could consume 05:13:39.140 --> 05:13:40.140 Arcane Blast with. 05:13:40.140 --> 05:13:42.100 I guess that's just barrage. 05:13:42.100 --> 05:13:44.440 I guess that's just barrage. 05:13:44.440 --> 05:13:46.140 I guess that's just what barrage is. 05:13:47.480 --> 05:13:48.900 But maybe you could rename it a little bit. 05:13:48.900 --> 05:13:50.540 Maybe it's Arcane Burn. 05:13:50.540 --> 05:13:51.940 Maybe it's Arcane Brand. 05:13:51.940 --> 05:13:53.740 Yeah, Arcane something. 05:13:53.740 --> 05:13:55.100 But you guys see what I'm saying, right? 05:13:55.100 --> 05:13:57.380 Like it's not just a new spell. 05:13:57.380 --> 05:13:59.100 It's a spell like Summit Hawk 05:13:59.100 --> 05:14:03.540 that replaces an existing spell that makes it thematically 05:14:03.540 --> 05:14:06.820 more arcane, but also gives you that third button 05:14:06.820 --> 05:14:08.460 to press that makes sense. 05:14:08.460 --> 05:14:09.420 You know what I mean? 05:14:09.420 --> 05:14:10.300 You guys following that? 05:14:10.300 --> 05:14:12.500 I think that actually would be good. 05:14:12.500 --> 05:14:13.900 Why is Broso against Barrage? 05:14:13.900 --> 05:14:14.820 I actually like Barrage. 05:14:14.820 --> 05:14:16.860 It's more that I want to be more creative 05:14:16.860 --> 05:14:19.620 than just copy-pasting a spec that already exists. 05:14:29.100 --> 05:14:31.100 Why? 05:14:46.100 --> 05:14:51.100 Maybe you're right. Maybe we're thinking too hard. Maybe you just bring over... 05:14:55.100 --> 05:14:57.100 Yeah, maybe you just copy paste our wrath. 05:14:59.100 --> 05:15:03.820 Maybe maybe it's just rat dark in guys. Maybe you just said maybe you just give a barrage 05:15:11.380 --> 05:15:19.040 What if it's a what if it's barrage, but it's a little different than the wrath one what if it's instead of like 05:15:29.100 --> 05:15:42.220 like I don't know you can only use it when you have four stack arcane blasts so it's 05:15:42.220 --> 05:15:45.940 like effectively like a button that's grayed out when you have four stack arcane blasts 05:15:45.940 --> 05:15:50.540 you press it and it's big damage I'm just trying to think of like how to not how to 05:15:50.540 --> 05:15:54.420 prevent the play style like you just spam barrage over and over in PvP to which is annoying 05:15:54.420 --> 05:16:06.660 for everyone. Yeah, maybe it's some barrage variant that replaces Fire Blast in some capacity. 05:16:06.660 --> 05:16:11.980 And that's your that's your third button. And then that's still three, which is very 05:16:11.980 --> 05:16:21.380 on the low end, but at least it'd be three. Spell Bolt. Spell that is equal parts, three 05:16:21.380 --> 05:16:25.740 magic type. So like Balefire comes from a proc or has a 20 second cooldown and the spell 05:16:25.740 --> 05:16:31.460 that follows gives increased damage to that type of spell for 10 seconds. Okay, I kind 05:16:31.460 --> 05:16:39.860 Kind of like how you're thinking. 05:16:39.860 --> 05:16:52.580 A new spell that uses all forms of magic. 05:16:52.580 --> 05:16:54.500 You know what it should be. 05:16:54.500 --> 05:17:00.340 The spell that is added to Arcane needs to be the ultimate Arcane Blast Spender. 05:17:00.340 --> 05:17:01.820 You guys agree? 05:17:01.820 --> 05:17:04.620 It needs to be like, okay, I stack up for Arcane Blast, 05:17:04.620 --> 05:17:06.460 I'm gonna send this. 05:17:07.860 --> 05:17:09.900 Like a Triune Blast, like a Balefire, 05:17:09.900 --> 05:17:13.340 like something that's just like fat, you know? 05:17:16.020 --> 05:17:17.020 Like Barrage. 05:17:17.020 --> 05:17:19.360 Yeah. 05:17:22.180 --> 05:17:23.020 Why? 05:17:24.020 --> 05:17:25.780 Just so it's interesting, right? 05:17:25.780 --> 05:17:33.380 New spell, Arcane Devastation, crap that went away, I was reading it and then the chat moved 05:17:33.380 --> 05:17:35.020 too fast. 05:17:35.020 --> 05:17:41.100 Okay, cast time that consumes 4 stacks of Arcane Blast do good damage and refund mana. 05:17:41.100 --> 05:17:42.980 Yeah, I think I kind of like that. 05:17:42.980 --> 05:17:48.520 It's like this big cast that is going to utilize the 4 stacks more than they would with any 05:17:48.520 --> 05:17:49.520 other spell. 05:17:49.520 --> 05:17:53.780 So it could read like Arcane Blast stacks are twice as effective or something. 05:17:53.780 --> 05:17:56.020 It's like the spell that you want to consume with, 05:17:56.020 --> 05:17:58.540 and it's just fat damage, but it kind of sucks to spam, 05:17:58.540 --> 05:18:00.460 like, or maybe it has a cooldown, 05:18:00.460 --> 05:18:02.820 but when you arcane blast, arcane blast, arcane blast, 05:18:02.820 --> 05:18:04.340 arcane blast, then a spender, 05:18:04.340 --> 05:18:05.540 and then you go back to arcane blast, 05:18:05.540 --> 05:18:08.740 and of course, you missile barrage along the way. 05:18:08.740 --> 05:18:10.180 And maybe you'd have to make missile barrage 05:18:10.180 --> 05:18:12.760 not consume arcane blast stacks or something, 05:18:15.220 --> 05:18:16.620 so that you could spend it with the thing 05:18:16.620 --> 05:18:18.580 you're supposed to spend it with, I don't know. 05:18:18.580 --> 05:18:20.820 Gosh, that sounds boring. 05:18:20.820 --> 05:18:24.940 So it would be more interesting than what we currently have, just two buttons to be 05:18:24.940 --> 05:18:35.620 a third at least. 05:18:35.620 --> 05:18:40.580 Blink Strike consumes four stacks of Arcane Blast to deal heavy magic damage and melee 05:18:40.580 --> 05:18:44.740 range, knocking up your target and it restets the cooldown of Blink. 05:18:44.740 --> 05:18:46.900 Okay, one, that's creative. 05:18:46.900 --> 05:18:50.060 Two, that would be really fun on PVP. 05:18:50.060 --> 05:18:59.380 for PvP that's 2 OP and for PvE that's probably too annoying. But like, it's very creative, 05:18:59.380 --> 05:19:14.620 very cool. Okay, I have an idea. What if you made Arcane 05:19:14.620 --> 05:19:20.940 Arcane Blast increase in mana each stack, but then it resets the mana cost when you 05:19:20.940 --> 05:19:21.940 use the new spell. 05:19:21.940 --> 05:19:25.620 And a new spell, more damage equals more stacks. 05:19:25.620 --> 05:19:29.300 Then the skill is perfect mana, manage mana on each boss, since you know when to do three 05:19:29.300 --> 05:19:31.020 blasts into a new spell or four. 05:19:31.020 --> 05:19:33.860 Well, that's what Barrage is, Tactics. 05:19:33.860 --> 05:19:38.340 Like Barrage, the way, okay, so if you guys have never played Arcane Mage, the way Barrage 05:19:38.340 --> 05:19:41.700 has worked, works is you manage your mana with it. 05:19:41.700 --> 05:19:47.140 You want to spam Arcane Blast as much as you can at 4 stacks because it's fat damage. 05:19:47.140 --> 05:19:49.540 But if you go Oom, you're not doing any damage. 05:19:49.540 --> 05:19:54.140 So you use Barrage as little as you can to sustain enough mana to actually continue doing 05:19:54.140 --> 05:19:55.740 as many Blast as possible. 05:19:55.740 --> 05:19:56.740 Like that's Arcane. 05:19:56.740 --> 05:20:00.740 So maybe you just give it Barrage. 05:20:00.740 --> 05:20:04.740 Okay. 05:20:04.740 --> 05:20:07.260 I think we should move on. 05:20:07.260 --> 05:20:09.580 I think we should move on. 05:20:09.580 --> 05:20:13.680 It's definitely something that is hard to solve. 05:20:13.680 --> 05:20:23.660 But the conversations like this are very fun because it gives you insight on, like, like, 05:20:23.660 --> 05:20:24.760 Blizzard's job. 05:20:24.760 --> 05:20:25.920 It's easy to complain. 05:20:25.920 --> 05:20:28.940 It's hard to come up with a solution that would be awesome. 05:20:28.940 --> 05:20:32.400 Like I can sit here and be like, oh, Mages only have two buttons whereas everyone else 05:20:32.400 --> 05:20:34.700 has three to five. 05:20:34.700 --> 05:20:36.060 Blizzard you suck. 05:20:36.060 --> 05:20:38.660 Or I could sit here and think, crap. 05:20:38.660 --> 05:20:39.660 What's the third button? 05:20:39.660 --> 05:20:42.060 I don't know, you know? 05:20:42.060 --> 05:20:58.100 It gives you some appreciation for it. 05:20:58.100 --> 05:21:01.660 This Arcane Blast doesn't increase its own damage, only other spells? 05:21:01.660 --> 05:21:02.660 Really? 05:21:02.660 --> 05:21:04.660 Am I reading it wrong? 05:21:04.660 --> 05:21:08.180 Oh, you're right! 05:21:08.180 --> 05:21:17.460 Wow. I actually read that wrong again. Each time you cast Arcane Blast, the damage of all your other spells increased by 10, so it's not Arcane Blast itself. 05:21:19.140 --> 05:21:24.900 I thought it was all spells by 10, including itself, but it doesn't include itself, all other spells. 05:21:26.020 --> 05:21:28.020 Wow, I've read this wrong like so many times. 05:21:30.900 --> 05:21:32.900 I thought it was all spells. 05:21:38.180 --> 05:21:57.260 Then the question becomes, you want to spend it at four stacks, probably, what would you 05:21:57.260 --> 05:21:58.260 spend it on? 05:21:58.260 --> 05:22:02.380 And missiles is the obvious answer, especially if you have missile barrage, but assuming 05:22:02.380 --> 05:22:05.500 you do not have a missile barrage. What would you spend it on? 05:22:10.540 --> 05:22:13.020 Probably just send another arcane blast until you get a missile 05:22:13.020 --> 05:22:14.340 barrage and send it on a missile barrage. 05:22:18.260 --> 05:22:19.940 Because it's a 40% chance. 05:22:21.260 --> 05:22:22.820 You'll always have a missile barrage. 05:22:24.580 --> 05:22:30.340 Hold on, is that a bad take? It's a 40% chance. You need four of 05:22:30.340 --> 05:22:39.340 them you have four stacks if you don't get one you just cast another in another 05:22:39.340 --> 05:22:42.620 and another like you 40% chance you have four tries to get it and if you don't 05:22:42.620 --> 05:22:47.980 you drive five or six you pretty much always have it you'd spend with 05:22:47.980 --> 05:22:54.900 missile brush nearly every time under very rare circumstances like very rare 05:22:54.900 --> 05:22:57.460 that you don't get it off their five or six casts. 05:22:59.300 --> 05:23:00.700 What would you spend it on? 05:23:02.780 --> 05:23:04.540 Probably just an unpropped missile. 05:23:07.860 --> 05:23:11.080 I can't imagine Fireball being worth the cast. 05:23:11.080 --> 05:23:12.000 I really can't. 05:23:18.100 --> 05:23:20.700 Maybe you just had a Fireblast and keep going, yeah. 05:23:24.900 --> 05:23:29.900 Pompyro with Bad RNG. Right, right, right. Yeah. 05:23:29.900 --> 05:23:37.900 Arcane Crest and a 4 stacks of Arcane Blast sent out a wave of 10 yards to the fastest enemies up to 40 yards and leaves behind a pulse. 05:23:37.900 --> 05:23:43.900 Interesting. That reminds me of like the lead champion, Huai. 05:23:43.900 --> 05:23:51.900 Just changed HotStrike to also stack up from Arcane Blast. That's just thematically weird. 05:23:51.900 --> 05:23:58.860 You guys agree with me hot streak needs to proc off of fire spells. 05:23:58.860 --> 05:24:11.340 You can't just say oh hot streak also can like that's just weird. 05:24:11.340 --> 05:24:15.740 Elemental bombs and every spec like so if you have living bomb frost bomb and nether 05:24:15.740 --> 05:24:16.740 tempest. 05:24:16.740 --> 05:24:22.740 Yeah, but it's been done and it's kind of boring, but yeah. 05:24:31.740 --> 05:24:36.740 Yeah, I don't know. RK needs a third one. I think that still stands. 05:24:36.740 --> 05:24:47.460 Can we stop min-maxing already sad face? 05:24:47.460 --> 05:24:55.020 Let's just play when it's here and enjoy it. 05:24:55.020 --> 05:25:00.460 The beta comes out Thursday. 05:25:00.460 --> 05:25:03.220 We're not min-maxing to try to like 99 parts. 05:25:03.220 --> 05:25:06.620 We're reading the talents to make sure that there's no changes that should be done before 05:25:06.620 --> 05:25:15.500 actual game comes out. In other words, this is not min-maxing. This is making sure that 05:25:15.500 --> 05:25:25.300 classes have enough buttons or not too many buttons. Oh, okay. Yeah. Here we go. Wander. 05:25:25.300 --> 05:25:29.960 Thanks for the prime burns. Thanks for the super chat. Crazy idea, but what about offensive 05:25:29.960 --> 05:25:34.960 of charges of mere images that will repeat a spell cast 05:25:35.640 --> 05:25:38.600 and strategically use it for building blast charges 05:25:38.600 --> 05:25:39.960 or extra missiles. 05:25:42.760 --> 05:25:44.200 Maybe, maybe. 05:25:44.200 --> 05:25:45.640 Yo, nice meeting you, man. 05:25:45.640 --> 05:25:47.200 Bubble Barn, thanks for the five. 05:25:47.200 --> 05:25:49.080 He says, hey, Zahra, I know you probably won't see this, 05:25:49.080 --> 05:25:50.760 but thank you so much for signing my poster 05:25:50.760 --> 05:25:52.520 and my wife's Toronto poster. 05:25:52.520 --> 05:25:55.520 Legend, legend. 05:25:55.520 --> 05:25:57.920 Thank you so much for saying hi, I appreciate you. 05:25:59.960 --> 05:26:11.800 Arcane Siphon and Arcane Spell that deals less damage than a Proct Missile, but restores 05:26:11.800 --> 05:26:20.400 like 2% mana per Arcane Blast that consumed. 05:26:20.400 --> 05:26:23.720 So it's like a way to reach in mana. 05:26:23.720 --> 05:26:29.000 That would work if Arcane Blast worked on itself, because then you could spam as many 05:26:29.000 --> 05:26:33.240 arcane blast is possible then like restore mana or something but since arcane blast doesn't work 05:26:33.240 --> 05:26:38.520 on itself you actually want to use the proc at four stacks so that ability wouldn't make much sense 05:26:39.960 --> 05:26:47.240 arcane salvo similar to missiles but less and more damage including fire bazooka style 05:26:52.680 --> 05:26:58.680 make a spell called zarkane bang generate stacks arcane energy when blasting empowering your 05:26:58.680 --> 05:27:02.760 your arcane explosion by 200% and resetting your blink cooldown. 05:27:02.760 --> 05:27:06.520 Give you two stacks of blink, but blink mana cost has increased. 05:27:06.520 --> 05:27:09.600 Is arcane bang? 05:27:09.600 --> 05:27:10.720 OK. 05:27:10.720 --> 05:27:13.200 I'll think about this arcane bang. 05:27:13.200 --> 05:27:14.280 See what happens there. 05:27:19.600 --> 05:27:24.720 Can someone ask ChatGPT, what would you do to add a third button? 05:27:24.720 --> 05:27:26.440 We need some actual ideas here, man. 05:27:26.440 --> 05:27:28.080 Better than this arcane bang. 05:27:28.080 --> 05:27:29.880 because I mean, she's Louise. 05:27:35.320 --> 05:27:36.240 A talent. 05:27:38.760 --> 05:27:39.600 Oh, crap. 05:27:39.600 --> 05:27:42.000 A talent that gives you a small damage buff 05:27:42.000 --> 05:27:44.720 for each school of magic you use, 05:27:46.280 --> 05:27:47.680 which you have to keep up. 05:27:47.680 --> 05:27:49.700 That could also fix frost as well. 05:27:49.700 --> 05:28:04.220 The thing is, is like how fun is it to press a button that does like no damage? 05:28:04.220 --> 05:28:09.280 Like say you wanted to keep up frost, fire, and arcane spells all the time. 05:28:09.280 --> 05:28:12.720 So that would mean like you're fire blasting on cooldown theoretically, and then maybe 05:28:12.720 --> 05:28:18.420 sending like a rank 1 frost bolt or like an ice lance on cooldown, or like a frost nova 05:28:18.420 --> 05:28:19.420 on cooldown. 05:28:19.420 --> 05:28:26.420 So retail actually had an ability like this, it was called, it was a legendary item in BFA. 05:28:26.420 --> 05:28:33.420 Oh crap, it was if you used three schools of magic simultaneously, you got a buff for 15 seconds that increased your damage. 05:28:33.420 --> 05:28:37.420 What was that called? It was a legendary in Shadowlands actually, I think. 05:28:39.420 --> 05:28:42.420 Someone knows. What was that called? 05:28:49.420 --> 05:28:54.300 I don't know, whatever, it doesn't matter what it was called. 05:28:54.300 --> 05:29:01.660 But like, what you would do is if you ever wanted the burst, you would just like, sheep, 05:29:01.660 --> 05:29:06.420 frost nova fireblast, and you were online, because sheep gave you the arcane, fireblast 05:29:06.420 --> 05:29:10.580 gave you the fire, nova gave, like, you would just frost nova nothing, and then it would 05:29:10.580 --> 05:29:14.940 give you your damage to where you could then pump, you know? 05:29:14.940 --> 05:29:17.700 I think it was called disciplinary command. 05:29:17.700 --> 05:29:20.220 But they removed it because it felt weird. 05:29:20.220 --> 05:29:22.860 I actually thought it was okay. 05:29:22.860 --> 05:29:28.460 But they removed it because it felt weird to literally just cast a Frost Nerva for no 05:29:28.460 --> 05:29:30.160 reason other than the Proctus. 05:29:30.160 --> 05:29:35.060 So it was casting Frost, Fire, and Arcane spells within 10 seconds of each other increases 05:29:35.060 --> 05:29:38.420 your critical strike damage of all your spells by 20%. 05:29:38.420 --> 05:29:39.820 So this is what it was. 05:29:39.820 --> 05:29:40.820 Right? 05:29:40.820 --> 05:29:45.980 So you could add this in, but it is kind of weird in the sense that like, say you're just 05:29:45.980 --> 05:29:49.740 like arcane what it would mean is you're like arcane arcane arcane and whenever it's up you would 05:29:49.740 --> 05:29:55.820 just do like frost nova fire blast that's what it would be you frost nova air fire blast and then 05:29:55.820 --> 05:30:00.620 you get this up and you keep streaming arcane is that fun is it is that interesting not really 05:30:01.340 --> 05:30:05.580 frost nova air fire blast and you get a buff and you just keep doing your normal rotation right 05:30:06.860 --> 05:30:11.100 feels too gamey yeah so they ended up getting rid of it for that reason it wasn't like a long 05:30:11.100 --> 05:30:16.980 long live spell. People were like, oh, this is kind of silly. So anyway, it's a decent 05:30:16.980 --> 05:30:19.660 idea, but I don't think so. 05:30:19.660 --> 05:30:26.660 So our four stack AB idea, new spell that consumes all of your charges, arcane shatter 05:30:26.660 --> 05:30:30.920 or fracture or something. Okay, shatter the arcane energies surrounding your target, 05:30:30.920 --> 05:30:38.420 dealing moderate arcane damage, and consuming arcane charges to empower your next arcane 05:30:38.420 --> 05:30:41.260 Missile, consuming all arcane charges. 05:30:41.260 --> 05:30:42.340 For each arcane charge consumed, 05:30:42.340 --> 05:30:46.060 your next arcane missile deals 10% increased damage. 05:30:47.580 --> 05:30:50.580 How does that work with Missile Barrage? 05:30:53.140 --> 05:30:54.660 It doesn't really play in well. 05:30:56.300 --> 05:30:59.100 However, you gave me an idea. 05:30:59.100 --> 05:31:02.420 What if they gave arcane an execute to some degree? 05:31:02.420 --> 05:31:11.980 I was going to troll for a second, but let's say serious. 05:31:11.980 --> 05:31:12.980 That like... 05:31:12.980 --> 05:31:16.660 Dude, I can't make any suggestions, because you guys are going to think I'm just trying 05:31:16.660 --> 05:31:20.380 to make Majors OP. 05:31:20.380 --> 05:31:22.980 You guys are going to think I'm just trying to make them OP, but that's not what I'm trying 05:31:22.980 --> 05:31:23.980 to do. 05:31:23.980 --> 05:31:26.620 I'm trying to make them fun, okay? 05:31:26.620 --> 05:31:35.020 But yeah, what if you just made a button that, like, you know, increased damage under 35% 05:31:35.020 --> 05:31:40.220 life, so like, you have the two button rotation, but it changes to more of a three once they're 05:31:40.220 --> 05:31:42.340 low, kind of execute for Warrior. 05:31:42.340 --> 05:31:48.220 Warrior has your bloodthirst, your whirlwind, and your heroic strike, but once the target 05:31:48.220 --> 05:31:53.060 gets low, you get opened up to execute as well as a fourth button. 05:31:53.060 --> 05:31:57.260 But if you only had to, but under a certain percentage of boss life, you get introduced 05:31:57.260 --> 05:32:00.020 to a third. 05:32:00.020 --> 05:32:05.740 Exactly, just make Arcane Blast a 15-second buff and not one charge, so you can dump on 05:32:05.740 --> 05:32:12.500 pyros and play around Frostfire Bolt to fish for Hot Shrieks, and that's just fire, like 05:32:12.500 --> 05:32:19.500 that would be fire Arcane, which is fine, but we're talking about a deep Arcane build. 05:32:19.500 --> 05:32:28.100 I hate to say it, but it's probably this barrage. 05:32:28.100 --> 05:32:33.620 It's probably just the most simple, proper answer to this. 05:32:33.620 --> 05:32:45.180 Oh my gosh, I just want to play already, man. 05:32:45.180 --> 05:32:52.180 I asked ChatGPT about the Arcane rotation, and the answer was add Arcane Barrage. 05:32:52.180 --> 05:33:05.140 Nice. 05:33:05.140 --> 05:33:09.380 Arcane Rupture Finishing Spell, 3-second cast, tears-opening Arcane energies accumulated 05:33:09.380 --> 05:33:14.380 within the target, dealing 300 to 375 Arcane Damage, plus 75% additional damage for each 05:33:14.380 --> 05:33:20.320 stack of Arcane Blast on the caster. Consumes all Arcane Blast stacks. If casted and forced 05:33:20.320 --> 05:33:24.840 stacks Arcane Rupture refunds 20% of mana generating those stacks and grants you Missile 05:33:24.840 --> 05:33:31.680 Barrage. If you did something like that then Missile Barrage has to be changed a bit to 05:33:31.680 --> 05:33:34.880 to not consume stacks. 05:33:39.480 --> 05:33:40.800 Arcane orb. 05:33:40.800 --> 05:33:44.240 Okay, guys, my brain, we need a new conversation. 05:33:44.240 --> 05:33:45.240 My brain is cooked. 05:33:45.240 --> 05:33:47.120 Like, I can't keep reading these. 05:33:47.120 --> 05:33:48.920 There might be some good solutions in there, 05:33:48.920 --> 05:33:51.400 but guys, we've been on this for like two hours. 05:33:51.400 --> 05:33:53.240 I would like to go, but my brain's cooked. 05:33:53.240 --> 05:33:55.000 We have to do something different. 05:33:55.000 --> 05:33:57.700 My brain is like, I can't, there's no way. 05:33:57.700 --> 05:33:58.660 There's no way. 05:34:01.680 --> 05:34:07.680 Um, okay. There's gotta be something. Um, we've covered every single talent. 05:34:08.880 --> 05:34:13.360 I've talked about what I like, what I don't like, and what I'm indifferent about. 05:34:14.560 --> 05:34:20.960 Um, there's gotta be a video we haven't seen, I'm trying to think. 05:34:22.240 --> 05:34:24.560 We've looked at every class. Oh, the Professions tab. 05:34:31.680 --> 05:34:32.680 Hmm. 05:34:32.680 --> 05:34:39.040 I haven't seen this, oh okay, wait is this, is this real? 05:34:39.040 --> 05:34:40.680 I haven't seen this. 05:34:40.680 --> 05:34:44.960 Is this all like real or is this like some fake news? 05:34:44.960 --> 05:34:45.960 Yeah? 05:34:45.960 --> 05:34:50.480 Okay, okay, okay, I haven't seen any of this, let's cover this. 05:34:50.480 --> 05:34:51.480 Alk. 05:34:51.480 --> 05:34:52.480 Mixology. 05:34:52.480 --> 05:34:55.360 You make, elixir is in flasks. 05:34:55.360 --> 05:34:57.760 Philosopher's stone for alchemy. 05:34:57.760 --> 05:35:00.680 Craft an upgradeable trinket that grows with your Alk skill. 05:35:00.680 --> 05:35:10.520 real? Whoa, you get a philosopher stone if you're Alk. Okay, upgrade. I wonder how it's 05:35:10.520 --> 05:35:25.560 going to compare with other trinkets. Those aren't confirmed not real. Hmm. I didn't see 05:35:25.560 --> 05:35:29.520 this up. BlizzCon, neither did I. Hold on. Where is this? Where is this new? How can we 05:35:29.520 --> 05:35:37.840 confirm this is real. I feel like this might be fake. Belt buckles on blacksmith. I mean 05:35:37.840 --> 05:35:56.640 it's cool. Transcribe from BlizzCon 2026 demo footage rather than the live client. So treat 05:35:56.640 --> 05:35:59.680 exact running as provisional until the beta ships. 05:36:13.840 --> 05:36:15.720 Could you even get professions on the beta? 05:36:15.720 --> 05:36:17.800 I never tried, or on the demo. 05:36:19.280 --> 05:36:20.960 I don't know how real this is. 05:36:20.960 --> 05:36:32.960 Can someone send me a like video of any type of proof that like someone actually went and like try like I don't want to cover stuff is if it's just fake 05:36:35.960 --> 05:36:43.960 You can see the trainer seems fake like none of this stuff has been talked about or announced as far as I know it seems kind of legit to be honest 05:36:50.960 --> 05:36:53.540 No stream, no video, nothing on stream or on stage. 05:36:53.540 --> 05:36:55.380 Okay, so I don't cover this, then. 05:36:56.120 --> 05:36:57.740 At least for now, I'll assume it's fake. 05:36:58.040 --> 05:36:59.040 Could be real, but... 05:37:07.460 --> 05:37:08.660 Yeah, so we saw this. 05:37:08.660 --> 05:37:25.060 So, on the topic of trade skills, this is an area that has been given a massive amount 05:37:25.060 --> 05:37:27.740 of love in a while forever. 05:37:27.740 --> 05:37:30.940 Even outside of what I just described with the camping additions. 05:37:30.940 --> 05:37:35.860 There are over 600 new recipes. 05:37:35.860 --> 05:37:42.860 So what I just said, new recipes across all professions and level ranges in a while forever. 05:37:42.860 --> 05:37:47.860 Thank you. 05:37:47.860 --> 05:37:53.860 In addition, many existing recipes have been overhauled in some way. 05:37:53.860 --> 05:37:59.860 Even at low levels, you will feel the impact of your profession choice in a meaningful way 05:37:59.860 --> 05:38:04.860 and you'll be excited to continue to level your professions as you go. 05:38:04.860 --> 05:38:11.980 Compliment to camping cooking and food have also received a substantial overhaul. Okay, almost all so yeah 05:38:11.980 --> 05:38:14.620 I mean we watch this I like none of this stuff has 05:38:16.220 --> 05:38:19.220 Like anything to do with that link, right so 05:38:20.180 --> 05:38:23.740 It's a demo footage. I played the demo. I didn't see any of that 05:38:23.820 --> 05:38:26.820 But maybe I didn't see it so if we're gonna get footage of 05:38:27.700 --> 05:38:30.360 Where this was from then I'll cover it but 05:38:34.860 --> 05:38:39.740 It doesn't say where it's from either. 05:38:41.900 --> 05:38:45.220 MMORPG had an interview with a friend. 05:38:45.220 --> 05:38:47.940 Oh, there actually were some other interviews. 05:38:47.940 --> 05:38:51.260 Okay. There was this. 05:38:52.860 --> 05:38:55.020 Everybody is going to start from level one, 05:38:55.020 --> 05:38:56.140 and that's when the journey, 05:38:56.140 --> 05:38:58.780 the real journey all the way up to level 60 will occur, 05:38:58.780 --> 05:39:01.620 which means all the content that we've added from level 30 to 05:39:01.620 --> 05:39:03.820 level 60 will not have been experienced yet. 05:39:03.820 --> 05:39:08.220 Okay, and in the store, you know, if I start my second character, how do I catch up? 05:39:08.220 --> 05:39:10.780 Can I buy a token or something? 05:39:10.780 --> 05:39:15.740 So no plans for anything like a wild token or a man's store? 05:39:17.740 --> 05:39:23.660 I mean, the journey really is what the game is. I mean, the end game is amazing. 05:39:23.660 --> 05:39:26.940 As we said on stage, the end game is epic. It's awesome. 05:39:26.940 --> 05:39:32.540 And all the stuff we've done at end game is amazing, but the journey is so important. 05:39:32.540 --> 05:39:37.900 and you play the game or you get better at the game by playing the game and it's all about that 05:39:37.900 --> 05:39:42.780 level 160 journey and the people you meet along the way and that's why as Nora said we've implemented 05:39:42.780 --> 05:39:46.620 these systems to really reinforce that because there's some players who just love that journey 05:39:47.340 --> 05:39:50.380 and the experiences they have and all the new content that we've added. 05:39:50.380 --> 05:39:55.340 Some players that's like the majority of players man so this is a massive W man this is massive 05:39:55.340 --> 05:40:01.660 no tokens no boosts you should be leveling and getting out there and doing the journey that's 05:40:01.660 --> 05:40:03.000 That's what the game is about. 05:40:03.000 --> 05:40:06.180 That's quite literally what the game is about, right? 05:40:06.180 --> 05:40:09.180 It's not just get to end game and raid log. 05:40:09.180 --> 05:40:11.020 It's about the journey. 05:40:13.620 --> 05:40:15.620 I think there was 05:40:20.260 --> 05:40:21.660 a full interview. 05:40:21.660 --> 05:40:22.780 Let's watch this. 05:40:25.580 --> 05:40:27.140 So I missed. 05:40:27.140 --> 05:40:30.740 So that little snippet from Twitter 05:40:30.740 --> 05:40:32.180 was from this full interview. 05:40:32.180 --> 05:40:33.580 I haven't seen this interview. 05:40:33.580 --> 05:40:34.420 Let's check this out. 05:40:34.420 --> 05:40:35.420 This is 30 minutes. 05:40:36.580 --> 05:40:39.420 I think there was maybe another one or two 05:40:39.420 --> 05:40:40.420 that I haven't seen. 05:40:42.260 --> 05:40:44.060 Your thoughts on a paid raise. 05:40:44.060 --> 05:40:46.800 If the game itself had a box price, 05:40:46.800 --> 05:40:49.020 I hate the idea of a paid raise, 05:40:49.020 --> 05:40:52.940 but since the game is free with a sub, like no box price, 05:40:52.940 --> 05:40:55.980 you just need the sub to play like season of discovery. 05:40:55.980 --> 05:40:56.980 It makes a lot of sense. 05:40:56.980 --> 05:40:59.500 The optics on it are pretty terrible 05:40:59.500 --> 05:41:01.180 because you can ask a question like, 05:41:01.180 --> 05:41:02.620 what do you think about a paid race? 05:41:02.620 --> 05:41:04.420 Like that shouldn't even be a question to ask. 05:41:04.420 --> 05:41:05.780 So the optics are awful. 05:41:05.780 --> 05:41:07.620 The price tag itself is phenomenal. 05:41:10.560 --> 05:41:11.660 Yeah, what that could have been instead 05:41:11.660 --> 05:41:13.540 is just a $29.99 box price 05:41:13.540 --> 05:41:15.260 and no one would have blinked an eye. 05:41:15.260 --> 05:41:17.620 Everyone would have been like, wow, that's great. 05:41:17.620 --> 05:41:19.820 So maybe they should have just done that instead. 05:41:21.020 --> 05:41:22.260 But the optics on it are like, 05:41:22.260 --> 05:41:24.820 oh, you're paying for a race that sucks. 05:41:24.820 --> 05:41:27.380 It's paid a win, but it's free. 05:41:27.380 --> 05:41:29.220 So anyway, 05:41:29.220 --> 05:41:32.100 as we're in combos about GDP, not that I know of. 05:41:32.100 --> 05:41:34.180 All right, let's take a look at this video. 05:41:34.180 --> 05:41:36.700 Guys, this is an interview we haven't seen 05:41:38.060 --> 05:41:43.060 from Destin, and he sat down with Clay and Nora, 05:41:43.060 --> 05:41:45.160 it looks like, so let's take a look. 05:41:45.160 --> 05:41:47.880 The entire reason I headed down to BlizzCon yesterday 05:41:47.880 --> 05:41:51.820 was because I wanted to play World of Warcraft forever. 05:41:51.820 --> 05:41:53.860 But in a surprise turn of events, 05:41:53.860 --> 05:41:57.380 I also got to talk directly with the WoW Classic 05:41:57.380 --> 05:42:00.180 and WoW Forever team, including software engineer, 05:42:00.180 --> 05:42:02.820 Noor Mills, you might remember her from being on stage, 05:42:02.820 --> 05:42:05.080 and associate production director, Clay Stone, 05:42:05.080 --> 05:42:06.660 who was also on stage. 05:42:06.660 --> 05:42:09.820 And I got to talk to them all about bringing this game 05:42:09.820 --> 05:42:13.140 to players like myself who feel like they missed out, 05:42:13.140 --> 05:42:15.180 but now have an opportunity to jump in 05:42:15.180 --> 05:42:17.900 as early as next week when the beta drops. 05:42:17.900 --> 05:42:19.900 I'll see you in-game on November 4th, 05:42:19.900 --> 05:42:21.260 beta starts this Thursday, 05:42:21.260 --> 05:42:23.060 and you can play the demo here today. 05:42:23.060 --> 05:42:24.700 Have a great rest of your day. 05:42:24.700 --> 05:42:27.260 Bro, that was such an insane moment, 05:42:27.260 --> 05:42:29.580 like all of these blizzcon announcements 05:42:29.580 --> 05:42:31.580 and they're saying a bunch of nothing forever 05:42:31.580 --> 05:42:33.180 and then they drop this. 05:42:33.180 --> 05:42:36.740 And it's like classic plus November 4th, 05:42:36.740 --> 05:42:39.100 beta five base demo now go. 05:42:39.100 --> 05:42:40.620 It's just like, oh shoot. 05:42:40.620 --> 05:42:42.180 It's like, oh my gosh. 05:42:42.180 --> 05:42:43.780 You can play the demo here today. 05:42:43.780 --> 05:42:44.980 Have a great first time everyone. 05:42:44.980 --> 05:42:49.780 And of course in November, World of Warcraft Forever 05:42:49.780 --> 05:42:53.420 will be there for everyone to start at level one. 05:42:53.420 --> 05:42:58.420 World of Warcraft Forever launches in seven weeks. 05:42:58.420 --> 05:43:00.420 Yeah. 05:43:00.420 --> 05:43:02.420 On November 4th. 05:43:02.420 --> 05:43:04.420 There is no catch-up mechanic. 05:43:04.420 --> 05:43:06.420 There's a level cap at 60. 05:43:06.420 --> 05:43:08.420 And it really feels like a new game 05:43:08.420 --> 05:43:12.420 where I'm not going to be lost or left behind as a new wild player. 05:43:12.420 --> 05:43:14.420 And that is incredibly exciting to me. 05:43:14.420 --> 05:43:16.420 The journey is so important. 05:43:16.420 --> 05:43:18.420 And you play the game, 05:43:18.420 --> 05:43:20.420 or you get better at the game by playing the game. 05:43:20.420 --> 05:43:22.420 And it's all about that level 160 journey. 05:43:22.420 --> 05:43:24.780 journey and the people you meet along the way. 05:43:24.780 --> 05:43:27.340 And that's why, as Nora said, we've implemented these systems 05:43:27.340 --> 05:43:28.580 to really reinforce that. 05:43:28.580 --> 05:43:29.340 First, let's- 05:43:29.340 --> 05:43:33.540 I love that this is such a foundational pillar 05:43:33.540 --> 05:43:36.300 because, yes, rating is fun. 05:43:36.300 --> 05:43:38.180 You know, yes, the pre-bis grind is fun 05:43:38.180 --> 05:43:40.180 and getting in there, but so much a classic wow 05:43:40.180 --> 05:43:44.020 for most players is leveling. 05:43:44.020 --> 05:43:46.540 We've already covered that, but what I was gonna say is 05:43:46.540 --> 05:43:48.980 like nine new dungeons. 05:43:48.980 --> 05:43:51.300 It's not that they're just adding a raid at end game 05:43:51.300 --> 05:43:54.960 and more stuff to do at Endgame to continue Classic Era. 05:43:54.960 --> 05:43:57.740 But instead, they're enriching the leveling experience 05:43:57.740 --> 05:43:59.560 with things like the campfire and dungeons 05:43:59.560 --> 05:44:01.400 and more zones while leveling, 05:44:01.400 --> 05:44:03.600 like leveling zones, right? 05:44:03.600 --> 05:44:05.900 Like Riverglades or something. 05:44:07.880 --> 05:44:09.300 Of course, there's Endgame stuff too. 05:44:09.300 --> 05:44:11.400 Like Hygiel, I think it's an Endgame zone. 05:44:11.400 --> 05:44:13.520 And of course, there's Endgame content. 05:44:13.520 --> 05:44:16.400 But I love that it's not just Endgame content. 05:44:16.400 --> 05:44:17.880 They're putting in a lot of stuff 05:44:17.880 --> 05:44:19.320 for that leveling experience. 05:44:19.320 --> 05:44:20.560 It's very nice. 05:44:20.560 --> 05:44:24.460 Let's talk about the interview and then we'll talk a little bit about what I learned during 05:44:24.460 --> 05:44:26.500 my hands on session. 05:44:26.500 --> 05:44:31.660 The big takeaway for me from my conversation is that this game will specifically make you 05:44:31.660 --> 05:44:33.820 earn your way up. 05:44:33.820 --> 05:44:39.400 Every player starting at level one, even after the beta sets a nice even playing field, given 05:44:39.400 --> 05:44:45.340 the crazy good players an opportunity to grind their face off in the beta, hit level 20 quickly, 05:44:45.340 --> 05:44:49.020 then grind to 30 once that level cap is increased. 05:44:49.020 --> 05:44:51.420 And it sounds like everyone will reset at launch day, 05:44:51.420 --> 05:44:53.140 meaning no one gets left behind 05:44:53.140 --> 05:44:56.260 and the best players can get ranked up quickly. 05:44:56.260 --> 05:44:58.780 And then a couple of weeks in, we're gonna raise that. 05:44:58.780 --> 05:44:59.780 That'll go up to 30, 05:44:59.780 --> 05:45:02.580 but we're gonna stay at 30 for the rest of beta. 05:45:02.580 --> 05:45:04.700 And then when we hit launch day, 05:45:04.700 --> 05:45:07.940 that's when everybody's gonna start fresh. 05:45:07.940 --> 05:45:09.100 Everybody's gonna start from level one. 05:45:09.100 --> 05:45:11.180 But someone like myself can take my time, 05:45:11.180 --> 05:45:13.020 level up at my pace and enjoy 05:45:13.020 --> 05:45:15.580 this new World of Warcraft entry. 05:45:15.580 --> 05:45:17.980 No WoW tokens to level, no dark portal 05:45:17.980 --> 05:45:21.180 that'll leave me behind, plenty of new areas to explore 05:45:21.180 --> 05:45:24.460 and classic areas to find new tips and tricks in. 05:45:24.460 --> 05:45:25.560 I love that. 05:45:25.560 --> 05:45:27.300 I also like that they landed on something 05:45:27.300 --> 05:45:30.580 I think works really well for transmog animations 05:45:30.580 --> 05:45:34.740 and giving me the option to choose what I like the most. 05:45:34.740 --> 05:45:35.620 I'll own up to it. 05:45:35.620 --> 05:45:37.500 Like I was somewhat of a naysayer. 05:45:37.500 --> 05:45:40.300 Like I was, you know, I don't want transmog 05:45:40.300 --> 05:45:43.060 in my classic plus type of mindset. 05:45:43.060 --> 05:45:44.220 Yeah, me too. 05:45:44.220 --> 05:45:46.480 And what, through our discussions 05:45:46.480 --> 05:45:47.620 and through our kind of like planning 05:45:47.620 --> 05:45:49.660 like what if, okay, well, what if when you turn it off, 05:45:49.660 --> 05:45:52.260 it turns it off for everyone for you, you know what I mean? 05:45:52.260 --> 05:45:55.380 Like what we ultimately landed on 05:45:56.460 --> 05:45:59.820 for those on the team who weren't interested 05:45:59.820 --> 05:46:03.420 in having it on, when we were like, okay, 05:46:03.420 --> 05:46:06.860 actually, given that this isn't going to disrupt my experience 05:46:06.860 --> 05:46:09.020 and I'm still going to be able to like glance at you, 05:46:09.020 --> 05:46:11.660 see what you're wearing and like, okay, you've got some skill. 05:46:11.660 --> 05:46:14.620 You've earned these certain armor pieces. 05:46:14.620 --> 05:46:18.500 It's one of those things that we sort of warmed up to it 05:46:18.500 --> 05:46:20.580 and decided, you know what, where we landed, 05:46:20.580 --> 05:46:21.820 hits the sweet spot. 05:46:21.820 --> 05:46:23.540 As a huge fan of the classic look, 05:46:23.540 --> 05:46:26.620 I'll be putting that on there 100%. 05:46:26.620 --> 05:46:28.900 And looking forward, the big question I had was, 05:46:28.900 --> 05:46:31.280 what happens in two years? 05:46:31.280 --> 05:46:34.060 What happens to keep all this fresh? 05:46:34.060 --> 05:46:36.940 At least for the foreseeable future, 05:46:36.940 --> 05:46:39.820 our plan is we are staying on Azeroth. 05:46:39.820 --> 05:46:40.980 I meant it when I said it, 05:46:40.980 --> 05:46:43.260 that we are gonna be expanding horizontally. 05:46:43.260 --> 05:46:48.260 And that means exploring the unfinished or unused zones 05:46:48.500 --> 05:46:50.020 that the original development team 05:46:50.020 --> 05:46:52.380 maybe simply never had the time to build 05:46:52.380 --> 05:46:55.020 or these different places that players have built up 05:46:55.020 --> 05:46:58.220 in their minds about what classic plus means to them. 05:46:58.220 --> 05:47:01.180 I like the idea of a game that I don't have to live in, 05:47:01.180 --> 05:47:03.700 but a game that also has enough options 05:47:03.700 --> 05:47:06.700 to keep me engaged should I want to know why fit 05:47:06.700 --> 05:47:07.660 for a week or two. 05:47:07.660 --> 05:47:09.180 So that is great stuff. 05:47:09.180 --> 05:47:11.780 Look, I'm gonna post the full interview in this video 05:47:11.780 --> 05:47:15.340 after this recap, but there was also a panel going on 05:47:15.340 --> 05:47:17.820 literally as I'm writing this and reading this 05:47:17.820 --> 05:47:19.940 with more details about WoW Forever. 05:47:19.940 --> 05:47:23.260 So more stuff is going to be coming out in the days to come. 05:47:23.260 --> 05:47:26.500 And on the hands-on time, I dove into the basics, 05:47:26.500 --> 05:47:29.300 visual options, a quick look at the different. 05:47:29.300 --> 05:47:31.380 I think he said a week or two 05:47:31.380 --> 05:47:34.460 because there's a lot of players, 05:47:34.460 --> 05:47:37.540 I'm sure a lot of people listening that do that, right? 05:47:37.540 --> 05:47:40.660 They don't play WoW for a while. 05:47:40.660 --> 05:47:42.680 They have real life stuff they would like to, 05:47:42.680 --> 05:47:43.880 but they don't have the time. 05:47:43.880 --> 05:47:46.040 And then they want to come in and just like full send 05:47:46.040 --> 05:47:49.840 for a week or two, and then get back to real life for a while 05:47:49.840 --> 05:47:51.200 and then full send for a week or two, 05:47:51.200 --> 05:47:52.480 and then get back to real life for a while, 05:47:52.480 --> 05:47:54.200 and then full send for a week or two. 05:47:54.200 --> 05:47:55.040 I don't want to, 05:47:58.360 --> 05:48:00.080 okay, why is this a conversation? 05:48:00.080 --> 05:48:03.640 In a horizontal progressing game, this is possible. 05:48:03.640 --> 05:48:06.800 Because when you leave for a while and come back, 05:48:06.800 --> 05:48:08.600 you're still the level cap. 05:48:08.600 --> 05:48:11.400 Your gear is still somewhat usable. 05:48:11.400 --> 05:48:13.560 You're not completely left behind 05:48:13.560 --> 05:48:15.700 on a completely different continent 05:48:15.700 --> 05:48:17.520 of like you're irrelevant. 05:48:17.520 --> 05:48:19.800 No, you could actually do that. 05:48:19.800 --> 05:48:21.120 Yes, you're gonna be a little bit weaker. 05:48:21.120 --> 05:48:22.880 You're gonna not understand the meta game. 05:48:22.880 --> 05:48:25.160 Maybe you have to swap your talents and this and that, 05:48:25.160 --> 05:48:27.400 but you're gonna have some foundation 05:48:27.400 --> 05:48:31.400 to just pick it back up and get into the, 05:48:31.400 --> 05:48:34.040 you know, get into the stuff where you left off at. 05:48:34.040 --> 05:48:35.440 And it's not gonna be a big deal. 05:48:35.440 --> 05:48:37.320 So that's why he said that. 05:48:37.320 --> 05:48:39.640 That's why he said that. 05:48:39.640 --> 05:48:41.760 This is a big pro to RuneScape. 05:48:41.760 --> 05:48:44.640 With RuneScape, it's a game that horizontally progresses. 05:48:44.640 --> 05:48:48.640 And you can take a break for a year and come back 05:48:48.640 --> 05:48:51.280 and pick up right where you left off and continue. 05:48:51.280 --> 05:48:54.720 And retail, if you take a break for a year, 05:48:54.720 --> 05:48:55.960 you can't do that. 05:48:55.960 --> 05:48:57.720 It's like, OK, well, everything I did before 05:48:57.720 --> 05:48:58.400 doesn't really matter. 05:48:58.400 --> 05:49:00.120 My whole gear set's completely out of date. 05:49:00.120 --> 05:49:01.560 And I can't really do the rate I was doing, 05:49:01.560 --> 05:49:02.760 because now there's two new ones. 05:49:02.760 --> 05:49:05.360 And I have to get CouchRip gear to even start the new stuff. 05:49:05.360 --> 05:49:08.840 Like you can't do that in a vertically progressing game. 05:49:08.840 --> 05:49:10.280 So his point was a good one. 05:49:10.280 --> 05:49:13.040 And so hopefully that makes more sense now, 05:49:13.040 --> 05:49:15.560 but that's the whole like horizontal progression argument. 05:49:15.560 --> 05:49:17.520 It's like you wanna be able to set it down 05:49:17.520 --> 05:49:19.400 and then pick it back up and then set it down 05:49:19.400 --> 05:49:20.240 and pick it back up. 05:49:20.240 --> 05:49:21.960 That's the whole point, right? 05:49:21.960 --> 05:49:25.920 Is that your progress matters, right? 05:49:25.920 --> 05:49:29.360 Classes and what it's like playing on a controller 05:49:29.360 --> 05:49:31.480 in the new staging area. 05:49:31.480 --> 05:49:33.000 On that, I prefer keyboard, 05:49:33.000 --> 05:49:36.960 but since this is the first official controller support, 05:49:36.960 --> 05:49:38.400 I just had to try it out. 05:49:38.400 --> 05:49:40.600 And as you can see, it's very similar 05:49:40.600 --> 05:49:43.160 to the Final Fantasy 14 controller support. 05:49:43.160 --> 05:49:45.080 You can pull the trigger or left trigger 05:49:45.080 --> 05:49:47.240 to execute elevated commands. 05:49:47.240 --> 05:49:49.840 You can pick up a loop with X on the Xbox controller 05:49:49.840 --> 05:49:52.260 and it feels very intuitive. 05:49:52.260 --> 05:49:53.440 Look, I'm not gonna hide it. 05:49:53.440 --> 05:49:56.400 I am an absolute newbie when it comes to World of Warcraft. 05:49:56.400 --> 05:49:58.480 I'm not gonna pretend I know everything 05:49:58.480 --> 05:50:00.300 or even the basics. 05:50:00.300 --> 05:50:02.480 People have had so much time 05:50:02.480 --> 05:50:05.340 and they know so much more than I do about this game. 05:50:05.340 --> 05:50:08.220 But there's something really exciting about forever 05:50:08.220 --> 05:50:10.780 that I think the community is really excited about 05:50:10.780 --> 05:50:14.180 and it gives players like me a chance to dive in. 05:50:14.180 --> 05:50:15.020 I cannot. 05:50:15.020 --> 05:50:15.860 Well, that's important. 05:50:15.860 --> 05:50:19.300 I was just talking to someone over the weekend at the con 05:50:19.300 --> 05:50:20.480 and I was saying like, 05:50:20.480 --> 05:50:22.820 this is a good chance to hop in if you've never played 05:50:22.820 --> 05:50:23.820 in the sense that like, 05:50:23.820 --> 05:50:25.860 it's not crazy complicated to pick up 05:50:25.860 --> 05:50:28.980 in terms of like this like retail complexity, right? 05:50:28.980 --> 05:50:30.220 It's kind of like classic, 05:50:30.220 --> 05:50:32.780 But, and everyone's starting on the same playing field, right? 05:50:32.780 --> 05:50:35.380 It's actually the perfect time to start WoW if you never have. 05:50:35.380 --> 05:50:37.380 It's also a really good time if you're a classic enjoyer 05:50:37.380 --> 05:50:39.340 to play what we've wanted for a long time. 05:50:39.340 --> 05:50:40.700 It's also a good time for a re-tune. 05:50:40.700 --> 05:50:44.860 It's a good time to play forever. 05:50:44.860 --> 05:50:46.660 Okay, it's very good. 05:50:46.660 --> 05:50:48.220 Not wait for next week. 05:50:48.220 --> 05:50:49.740 All right, here's the full interview. 05:50:49.740 --> 05:50:51.060 Let me know how I did. 05:50:51.060 --> 05:50:54.900 And if I missed any juicy tidbits in the comments below. 05:50:54.900 --> 05:50:57.580 I am so excited about WoW forever. 05:50:57.580 --> 05:51:00.780 So I missed World of Warcraft original, 05:51:00.780 --> 05:51:02.420 like back in the day, right? 05:51:02.420 --> 05:51:04.780 I was dumb when I played Final Fantasy XI 05:51:04.780 --> 05:51:06.620 because I wanted to keep a difference. 05:51:06.620 --> 05:51:07.460 That's another great game, that's another great game. 05:51:07.460 --> 05:51:09.660 I wanted to be different and edgy, 05:51:09.660 --> 05:51:11.260 but I missed out on World of Warcraft. 05:51:11.260 --> 05:51:12.100 Then my classic- 05:51:12.100 --> 05:51:12.940 And Cleveland State. 05:51:12.940 --> 05:51:15.180 And, you know, the past Wrath of the Lich King, 05:51:15.180 --> 05:51:17.740 the iconic moments and Burning Crusade 05:51:17.740 --> 05:51:19.220 and all the moments happen. 05:51:20.100 --> 05:51:22.500 What do you feel like is, with Wild Forever, 05:51:22.500 --> 05:51:24.020 what is really gonna set it apart 05:51:24.020 --> 05:51:26.340 and give people like me who are super excited 05:51:26.340 --> 05:51:29.340 to be there at the start, that fresh beginning. 05:51:30.420 --> 05:51:34.100 I would say it, I mean, already kind of, 05:51:34.100 --> 05:51:37.580 it's sheer existence, it's freshness of its launch, 05:51:37.580 --> 05:51:39.460 like it's already a fresh beginning, right? 05:51:39.460 --> 05:51:42.740 But also, I think the way that we're trying 05:51:42.740 --> 05:51:45.300 to communicate what it is, right? 05:51:45.300 --> 05:51:46.700 It is a third pillar. 05:51:46.700 --> 05:51:50.140 So there's classic, wow forever, and modern, right? 05:51:50.140 --> 05:51:52.700 And so you don't have to have played classic, 05:51:52.700 --> 05:51:53.860 you don't have to have played modern, 05:51:53.860 --> 05:51:57.780 You don't have to have played any version of World of Warcraft to be able to kind of 05:51:57.780 --> 05:52:00.660 jump in and embark on a journey. 05:52:00.660 --> 05:52:08.500 And many of the changes, systems, the stuff that has gone into WoW Forever has gone in 05:52:08.500 --> 05:52:14.660 with Player Agency and the journey in mind, such that like we have, you know, we thought 05:52:14.660 --> 05:52:19.220 about ratios, we thought about the, like we implemented the legacy system, which allows 05:52:19.220 --> 05:52:21.620 is you to spend points and gain perks 05:52:21.620 --> 05:52:24.220 in ways that will influence your next play through. 05:52:24.220 --> 05:52:26.820 So you're being rewarded for spinning up new characters 05:52:26.820 --> 05:52:29.420 and embarking on new journeys from fresh, right? 05:52:29.420 --> 05:52:30.740 What are racials? 05:52:30.740 --> 05:52:32.540 Oh, there we go, there we go, there we go. 05:52:32.540 --> 05:52:33.540 That's actually, we should probably say that. 05:52:33.540 --> 05:52:35.380 Each, but yeah, do you want to? 05:52:35.380 --> 05:52:37.860 I saw it in the presentation, I'm like, well, wait. 05:52:37.860 --> 05:52:40.780 Yeah, so each race and world of Warcraft 05:52:40.780 --> 05:52:44.020 tends to have like unique things that they're good at. 05:52:44.020 --> 05:52:46.140 So like, I tend to play Night Elves 05:52:46.140 --> 05:52:48.420 and like, you know, they have like shadow melds. 05:52:48.420 --> 05:52:52.300 you can kind of like, like I'm running around through the world and I'm like, oh, well, 05:52:52.300 --> 05:52:56.060 I'm going to, you know, maybe I want to go to the restroom, but I don't want to like 05:52:56.060 --> 05:52:57.060 log off or something. 05:52:57.060 --> 05:53:00.420 I'm going to go up against like a tree or something and I'm going to hit shadow meld, 05:53:00.420 --> 05:53:02.420 which causes me to stealth. 05:53:02.420 --> 05:53:03.420 Right. 05:53:03.420 --> 05:53:04.420 So you don't get AFK. 05:53:04.420 --> 05:53:05.420 Yeah. 05:53:05.420 --> 05:53:08.420 I do that a lot. 05:53:08.420 --> 05:53:11.740 Or you know, like if I'm in an environment where there's enemy players, like I might 05:53:11.740 --> 05:53:13.140 be like, oh, I'm going to. 05:53:13.140 --> 05:53:14.140 Okay. 05:53:14.140 --> 05:53:21.980 I think I think a lot of us might know what ratios are but with the third pillar point is it's a good one to chat about right you have 05:53:23.220 --> 05:53:24.620 Modern Wow 05:53:24.620 --> 05:53:26.620 You have classic Wow 05:53:26.720 --> 05:53:34.220 Now we they're they're they're committing themselves to having forever as this third thing. It's not quite 05:53:34.980 --> 05:53:42.540 Classic obviously it's a different timeline and it's not modern. So I made the the copium take, right? 05:53:42.540 --> 05:53:47.540 like, maybe it has only been one or two years ago, 05:53:49.100 --> 05:53:51.660 that I think if done right, 05:53:51.660 --> 05:53:53.580 Classic Plus could be bigger than retail. 05:53:53.580 --> 05:53:55.060 And everyone laughed me out of the room, 05:53:55.060 --> 05:53:57.800 like I'm the biggest idiot they've ever seen. 05:53:57.800 --> 05:53:59.120 Am I still an idiot? 05:54:00.280 --> 05:54:01.700 Be honest, you could say yes. 05:54:04.140 --> 05:54:06.900 I'm, no, yes, no, I mean, 05:54:06.900 --> 05:54:08.540 it seems a little more split now. 05:54:08.540 --> 05:54:10.760 Like, maybe I'm still wrong, 05:54:10.760 --> 05:54:14.760 But I think a product like this really might just appeal 05:54:14.760 --> 05:54:17.320 to way more people in the long run 05:54:17.320 --> 05:54:18.840 to where like five years from now, 05:54:18.840 --> 05:54:23.960 like forever could be the main thing that people are playing. 05:54:23.960 --> 05:54:26.360 For someone like this who's never played WoW, 05:54:26.360 --> 05:54:29.440 do you think he has a higher chance of playing forever 05:54:29.440 --> 05:54:32.560 or retail? 05:54:32.560 --> 05:54:35.760 For people that are long time WoW players that quit retail, 05:54:35.760 --> 05:54:37.640 do you think they have a higher chance of going back 05:54:37.640 --> 05:54:40.400 to retail or trying forever? 05:54:40.400 --> 05:54:43.400 That's my point, that's my point. 05:54:43.400 --> 05:54:45.440 That's why I'm saying in the long run, 05:54:46.720 --> 05:54:49.320 I really think it could do insane. 05:54:49.320 --> 05:54:51.240 I think it could literally be bigger than retail. 05:54:51.240 --> 05:54:52.080 I'm not kidding. 05:54:53.240 --> 05:54:56.680 With poor decisions, with wow tokens, with boosts, 05:54:56.680 --> 05:54:59.880 with bugs, with bots, with, you know, this and that, 05:54:59.880 --> 05:55:02.360 maybe it sucks, like so. 05:55:02.360 --> 05:55:04.720 But what I'm saying is the potential is there 05:55:04.720 --> 05:55:07.680 for this thing to be massive, right? 05:55:07.680 --> 05:55:08.840 And I said that a year or two ago 05:55:08.840 --> 05:55:12.040 and I got completely laughed out of the room by everyone. 05:55:12.040 --> 05:55:14.440 But it's like, well, I don't know, man. 05:55:14.440 --> 05:55:16.000 I don't know how crazy that is. 05:55:16.000 --> 05:55:19.480 It has more potential for the returning player. 05:55:19.480 --> 05:55:22.480 It has more potential for the player that's never played. 05:55:25.920 --> 05:55:29.160 Hi, you know, or hide and ambush them. 05:55:29.160 --> 05:55:33.880 And so like the racial abilities that each race 05:55:33.880 --> 05:55:36.120 in World of Warcraft has, 05:55:36.120 --> 05:55:38.400 has kind of like, it's evolved over time 05:55:38.400 --> 05:55:41.920 throughout the years up and leading up and through like modern, right. 05:55:42.800 --> 05:55:46.640 And in classic, they're quite distinct. 05:55:47.000 --> 05:55:50.080 There, there've been a lot of chatter about like, oh, what if, you know, we, 05:55:50.080 --> 05:55:54.120 we tried to even the playing field and like give, you know, you can pick and 05:55:54.120 --> 05:55:55.440 choose which racials you have. 05:55:55.440 --> 05:56:00.080 But like in forever, we want to reward that, like give you a reason to bring a 05:56:00.080 --> 05:56:02.400 different race with you to your journey, right? 05:56:02.640 --> 05:56:07.800 We want to reward you for, uh, or like encourage you to want to try the racial 05:56:07.800 --> 05:56:35.800 parks for a different race, but you know what, I'm going to try undead, right? I'm going to try, which undead can cannibalize corpses, kind of creepy, but, you know, it is awesome. So it's, it's one of those things that like it's, it's, it's giving you sort of more options to influence what kind of journey you have. And we want players to want to embark on those journeys, because along those journeys are the opportunities 05:56:35.800 --> 05:56:41.860 you'll have to meet your next best friend or like a bunch of my long time while 05:56:41.860 --> 05:56:43.540 friends attended my wedding last year. 05:56:43.540 --> 05:56:44.020 You know what I mean? 05:56:44.020 --> 05:56:48.700 The connections are just so true and so genuine and we want to encourage 05:56:48.700 --> 05:56:49.820 that through what we build. 05:56:50.020 --> 05:56:50.340 Okay. 05:56:50.620 --> 05:56:51.380 That's a lot of words. 05:56:51.380 --> 05:56:51.620 I'm sorry. 05:56:52.020 --> 05:56:55.260 Sorry, I kind of threw it off, but if, if you want to tell me more about why 05:56:55.260 --> 05:56:59.020 you're excited, you know, it really represents, it's a fresh start. 05:56:59.380 --> 05:57:01.060 I mean, at the end of the day, it's a fresh start. 05:57:01.060 --> 05:57:04.340 It's taking this game, this beloved game, 05:57:04.340 --> 05:57:07.060 that many people know and love, 05:57:07.060 --> 05:57:10.180 and a return to being the humble adventurer. 05:57:10.180 --> 05:57:13.220 You know, the classic series of games that we've worked on 05:57:13.220 --> 05:57:14.660 has gone in a direction, 05:57:14.660 --> 05:57:16.460 and the modern game has gone in a direction, 05:57:16.460 --> 05:57:19.620 and there's world ending threats and a ton of lore. 05:57:19.620 --> 05:57:20.780 And where we're starting from 05:57:20.780 --> 05:57:22.220 is where we started from back at the beginning 05:57:22.220 --> 05:57:23.100 of World of Warcraft, 05:57:23.100 --> 05:57:27.180 and we are living in that simple, humble adventure, 05:57:27.180 --> 05:57:30.580 vanilla timeframe, where the journey is more. 05:57:30.580 --> 05:57:33.340 Dude, we got to send a quick glaze real quick. 05:57:35.240 --> 05:57:37.680 The season of discovery team, the classic team. 05:57:39.640 --> 05:57:42.480 Has been pretty darn awesome. 05:57:42.480 --> 05:57:44.880 I'm talking, I'm not talking everyone at Blizzard. 05:57:44.880 --> 05:57:47.440 I think they have people above them. 05:57:47.440 --> 05:57:49.480 This and that big corporations, blah, blah, blah. 05:57:49.480 --> 05:57:52.080 You guys know the drill, but these guys. 05:57:53.380 --> 05:57:58.380 Josh Greenfield, Clay Stone, Tim Jones, Nora, Anna. 05:57:58.380 --> 05:58:02.740 These got like, it's such a great little team, right? 05:58:02.740 --> 05:58:05.100 It almost feels like a little micro company 05:58:05.100 --> 05:58:06.820 within a larger company. 05:58:06.820 --> 05:58:08.840 They have just done a good job. 05:58:10.380 --> 05:58:12.440 All right, a quick little glaze. 05:58:12.440 --> 05:58:15.740 All right, I mean, these guys, I feel like our, 05:58:15.740 --> 05:58:18.060 you know, classic players, 05:58:18.060 --> 05:58:21.060 feel like they have like a little like, 05:58:21.060 --> 05:58:23.060 they're trying to just get us what we want. 05:58:23.060 --> 05:58:25.060 And it clearly shows, right? 05:58:25.060 --> 05:58:26.740 They're like, they're trying to do these things. 05:58:26.740 --> 05:58:29.140 Of course, not everything comes through, 05:58:29.140 --> 05:58:31.740 but they're trying to do these things with the journey, 05:58:31.740 --> 05:58:33.060 with the horizontal progression. 05:58:33.060 --> 05:58:34.940 Like they're clearly listening. 05:58:34.940 --> 05:58:36.420 We'll see if it like works. 05:58:36.420 --> 05:58:38.620 We'll see if we, you know, hopefully the game is good, 05:58:38.620 --> 05:58:40.780 but it's a quick glaze. 05:58:40.780 --> 05:58:41.620 I just had to, man. 05:58:41.620 --> 05:58:42.700 It's like, it's been cool. 05:58:42.700 --> 05:58:45.180 It's been cool following it since son, you know? 05:58:45.180 --> 05:58:46.460 More important than the destination 05:58:46.460 --> 05:58:48.180 than the world is the main character. 05:58:48.180 --> 05:58:50.220 And it looked like on the roadmap, 05:58:50.220 --> 05:58:52.700 beta will take you to level 30, 05:58:52.700 --> 05:58:54.460 and then we can go all the way to 60 after that. 05:58:54.460 --> 05:58:55.300 Is that right? 05:58:55.300 --> 05:58:56.580 Yes, so when we start beta, 05:58:56.580 --> 05:58:59.940 we will actually be starting with a level 20 cap. 05:58:59.940 --> 05:59:02.460 And then a couple of weeks in, we're gonna raise that, 05:59:02.460 --> 05:59:04.780 that'll go up to 30, but we're gonna stay at 30 05:59:04.780 --> 05:59:06.260 for the rest of beta. 05:59:06.260 --> 05:59:08.380 And then when we hit launch day, 05:59:08.380 --> 05:59:11.580 that's when everybody's gonna start fresh. 05:59:11.580 --> 05:59:12.820 Everybody's gonna start from level one, 05:59:12.820 --> 05:59:14.620 and that's when the journey, the real journey, 05:59:14.620 --> 05:59:16.700 all the way up to level 60 will occur, 05:59:16.700 --> 05:59:18.660 which means all the content that we've added 05:59:18.660 --> 05:59:20.020 from level 30 to level 60 05:59:20.020 --> 05:59:21.700 will not have been experienced yet. 05:59:21.700 --> 05:59:23.580 Okay, and in the store, 05:59:23.580 --> 05:59:26.140 if I start my second character, how do I catch up? 05:59:26.140 --> 05:59:28.500 Can I buy a token or something? 05:59:28.500 --> 05:59:32.500 So no plans for anything like a wild token or a boost? 05:59:32.500 --> 05:59:33.500 Oh, man, sorry. 05:59:33.500 --> 05:59:34.500 Or anything like that. 05:59:34.500 --> 05:59:35.500 I don't like that. 05:59:35.500 --> 05:59:37.180 I mean, the journey. 05:59:37.180 --> 05:59:40.180 I hope they stick to this in the long run, man. 05:59:40.180 --> 05:59:43.020 Never a boost, never a token. 05:59:43.020 --> 05:59:44.660 No plans for it, OK? 05:59:44.660 --> 05:59:46.740 Like, there's going to be no token, no boost. 05:59:46.740 --> 05:59:48.140 I love it. 05:59:48.140 --> 05:59:49.420 I hope they stick to that. 05:59:49.420 --> 05:59:53.260 Like, yeah. 05:59:53.260 --> 05:59:54.540 What's the monetization model? 05:59:54.540 --> 05:59:55.040 Right? 05:59:55.040 --> 06:00:01.240 $15 a month for a membership fee if you want the new race 30 bucks down the line 06:00:02.720 --> 06:00:04.840 You know the level cap saying 60 06:00:04.840 --> 06:00:06.560 I don't know if they're gonna sell expansions 06:00:06.560 --> 06:00:11.520 maybe the monetization model is continuing to do more races for $30 each and 06:00:12.560 --> 06:00:14.560 $15 a month for sub I 06:00:15.040 --> 06:00:18.080 Hope it stays like that and nothing else no shop 06:00:18.960 --> 06:00:24.360 No boosts no tokens. I would like no mounts. I would like no cosmetics 06:00:24.360 --> 06:00:25.920 and we'll see what happens. 06:00:25.920 --> 06:00:28.840 He really is, is what the game is. 06:00:28.840 --> 06:00:30.360 I mean, the end game is amazing. 06:00:30.360 --> 06:00:32.920 As we said on stage, the end game is epic. 06:00:32.920 --> 06:00:33.760 It's awesome. 06:00:33.760 --> 06:00:35.920 And all the stuff we've done at end game is amazing, 06:00:35.920 --> 06:00:39.120 but the journey is so important. 06:00:39.120 --> 06:00:42.220 And you play the game, or you get better at the game 06:00:42.220 --> 06:00:43.640 by playing the game. 06:00:43.640 --> 06:00:45.480 And it's all about that level 160 journey 06:00:45.480 --> 06:00:47.520 and the people you meet along the way. 06:00:47.520 --> 06:00:48.800 And that's why, as Nora said, 06:00:48.800 --> 06:00:51.360 we've implemented these systems to really reinforce that. 06:00:51.360 --> 06:00:53.760 Because there's some players who just love that journey. 06:00:53.760 --> 06:00:55.280 and the experiences that they have 06:00:55.280 --> 06:00:56.640 and all the new content that we've added 06:00:56.640 --> 06:00:58.980 from the fine new places on that on the drone. 06:00:58.980 --> 06:01:00.000 So, yeah. 06:01:00.000 --> 06:01:01.080 Nora, in your presentation. 06:01:01.080 --> 06:01:04.480 I feel like the legacy system is a really good idea, 06:01:04.480 --> 06:01:06.800 but I feel like it needs work. 06:01:06.800 --> 06:01:10.720 Like, I love the idea of incentivizing leveling alts, 06:01:10.720 --> 06:01:13.440 but the talent starting at five instead of 10 06:01:13.440 --> 06:01:15.600 just feels like way too strong. 06:01:15.600 --> 06:01:17.120 And I feel like some of the challenges 06:01:17.120 --> 06:01:18.640 aren't like unique enough. 06:01:18.640 --> 06:01:21.200 I think what I want is like a way to level in, 06:01:21.200 --> 06:01:32.080 reason to level an alt in a new way. For some tiny little thing that just shows that I did it, 06:01:33.120 --> 06:01:40.080 some tiny little token of like, I did this little unique challenge and it was cool. 06:01:41.600 --> 06:01:45.840 And that's all I feel like the legacy system needs to be. I don't know if it needs to have 06:01:45.840 --> 06:01:49.440 like an incredible amount of character power or make you feel like, oh, I need to level a bunch 06:01:49.440 --> 06:01:53.580 to get more of these points to to make sure that I'm up to date on all these 06:01:53.580 --> 06:01:58.560 things I don't want to be that right so hopefully there's some fine-tuning on the 06:01:58.560 --> 06:02:03.960 legacy system like I said I like the concept a lot but it's implementation 06:02:03.960 --> 06:02:07.020 that needs to be kind of fine-tuned here and you took us through the different 06:02:07.020 --> 06:02:11.280 zones what level are appropriate for those zones and how to level up there as 06:02:11.280 --> 06:02:16.160 somebody who's not as familiar with why they're important or noted tell me a 06:02:16.160 --> 06:02:18.960 a little bit more about why those zones were chosen 06:02:18.960 --> 06:02:21.000 and how you landed on them as different areas, 06:02:21.000 --> 06:02:22.080 and the new areas. 06:02:22.080 --> 06:02:24.440 Yeah, so one of the things we tried to do 06:02:24.440 --> 06:02:28.120 with Wild Forever is like, there's sort of like, 06:02:28.120 --> 06:02:29.840 you know, we have a classic audience 06:02:29.840 --> 06:02:32.400 who's deeply familiar with the classic ethos, 06:02:32.400 --> 06:02:35.560 the lore, sort of what areas of the world 06:02:35.560 --> 06:02:38.040 have not yet been explored and what's, you know, kind of, 06:02:38.040 --> 06:02:40.960 and everyone's kind of had their own hypothesis 06:02:40.960 --> 06:02:43.640 as to what they expect us to do, right? 06:02:43.640 --> 06:02:45.640 And so we talk about kind of like, okay, 06:02:45.640 --> 06:02:49.640 Well, what are the things we are super expected to do? 06:02:49.640 --> 06:02:51.320 What are the things that we're maybe, 06:02:51.320 --> 06:02:52.160 a little bit expected, 06:02:52.160 --> 06:02:55.040 but maybe we add our own little twist, 06:02:55.040 --> 06:02:56.160 and then what are the things 06:02:56.160 --> 06:02:58.960 that we add that are potentially unexpected, right? 06:02:58.960 --> 06:03:00.760 When the unexpected maybe would have been 06:03:00.760 --> 06:03:03.400 the Sky Elves race, right? 06:03:03.400 --> 06:03:07.320 As an example, the River Glades, I feel, 06:03:07.320 --> 06:03:09.440 is one of those things that there was that, 06:03:09.440 --> 06:03:12.120 kind of a piece, a chunk of map 06:03:12.120 --> 06:03:13.800 that hadn't really been filled out. 06:03:13.800 --> 06:03:23.320 There was room there and there was an opportunities to sort of like give you something to do other than, you know, spam, you know, go spam Scarlet Monastery, really. 06:03:23.840 --> 06:03:38.220 But like something that allows you to kind of explore more of that classic world deeply rooted in like I remember folks internally playing through the riverglades and giving us the feedback like 06:03:38.220 --> 06:03:41.380 Holy smokes, it feels like it was in Classic the whole time, right? 06:03:41.380 --> 06:03:45.900 And so like, we want to make sure that what we build makes, 06:03:45.900 --> 06:03:49.940 it's congruent with what should belong in Classic, 06:03:49.940 --> 06:03:51.700 what would make sense, what people would expect, 06:03:51.700 --> 06:03:54.540 but we also want to surprise and delight in certain cases. 06:03:54.540 --> 06:03:57.860 Like, yeah, I think the Chendor was probably the biggest surprise. 06:03:57.860 --> 06:03:59.100 Yeah, definitely. 06:03:59.100 --> 06:04:00.500 Am I saying it right? Chendor? 06:04:00.500 --> 06:04:02.100 Chendor, yeah, Chendor, yeah, Chendor, yeah, okay. 06:04:02.100 --> 06:04:03.100 Yeah, Chendor, yeah. 06:04:03.100 --> 06:04:04.100 The only other thing that I would add to that too, 06:04:04.100 --> 06:04:06.460 for folks who have played the original version back then, 06:04:06.460 --> 06:04:08.660 there were certain points where that original team 06:04:08.660 --> 06:04:10.180 kind of ran out of time. 06:04:10.180 --> 06:04:11.020 Yeah. 06:04:11.020 --> 06:04:11.860 And so in the leveling journey, 06:04:11.860 --> 06:04:14.020 there's gaps in contents that would happen. 06:04:14.020 --> 06:04:15.940 And this was really an opportunity for us to build things 06:04:15.940 --> 06:04:19.060 that felt authentically classic and authentically vanilla 06:04:19.060 --> 06:04:20.980 and fill out the spaces. 06:04:20.980 --> 06:04:23.220 People in my chat were saying that some of the areas 06:04:23.220 --> 06:04:25.540 people would glitch into and they would like have theories 06:04:25.540 --> 06:04:26.380 about them. 06:04:26.380 --> 06:04:27.220 Is that true? 06:04:27.220 --> 06:04:30.220 Like in the day, like way back. 06:04:30.220 --> 06:04:31.260 They would glitch in a certain. 06:04:31.260 --> 06:04:35.140 Like old iron forge underneath stormwind. 06:04:35.140 --> 06:04:43.540 um, like glitching, I don't know, like above or like under Orgammar or like above the auction house, 06:04:43.540 --> 06:04:54.900 like all these different spots, Hyshal, GM Island, um, yeah, the STV Tiger area, there's a place, 06:04:54.900 --> 06:04:58.660 I don't know if you guys remember, it's like in between Barrens, like you get to like these 06:04:58.660 --> 06:05:02.340 zones in the mountains where there's like a bunch of nothing and you can just hang out there and 06:05:02.340 --> 06:05:06.740 and duel your friends. I remember I spent countless hours there, just like climbing up mountains 06:05:06.740 --> 06:05:12.580 and glitching in these areas and then just hanging out all day. But yeah. Oh, Iron Forge Airstrip. 06:05:12.580 --> 06:05:19.380 Oh, top of Iron Forge, the Airstrip, but on the top too. Yeah, so many of them. So there's so much 06:05:19.380 --> 06:05:24.100 to build out. Yeah. Areas and the chemical theories about. Yeah, like, hi, Joel was one of them mentioned. 06:05:25.460 --> 06:05:30.980 Yeah, I was certainly gonna, I was certainly blanching at against as a player back in the 06:05:30.980 --> 06:05:34.900 the day trying to find, you know, like, I think there was a time when I was trying to 06:05:34.900 --> 06:05:37.580 like get to GM Island and, you know, explore that. 06:05:37.580 --> 06:05:44.860 Like there's always, our players are so incredibly creative and they historically have been so 06:05:44.860 --> 06:05:48.860 rewarded by our game for exploration, right? 06:05:48.860 --> 06:05:54.220 Like, and not in the sense that like you're going to find, oh my gosh, I explored a certain 06:05:54.220 --> 06:05:59.480 area of the map and somehow I found this incredible ax on the ground that is best in slot or something. 06:05:59.480 --> 06:06:04.240 It's more of a like you're getting rewarded through little lower tidbits and things that 06:06:04.240 --> 06:06:10.320 sort of make the world feel more alive and more like something that is lived in versus 06:06:10.320 --> 06:06:15.880 you know like kind of you know smoke and mirrors sort of like fake I don't know what you would 06:06:15.880 --> 06:06:20.440 call it like cropped up like a facade almost right it feels like a living world where world 06:06:20.440 --> 06:06:26.480 is main character right yeah trans mod you often to have a toggle I really like that 06:06:26.480 --> 06:06:30.760 as a middle ground. Some people feel like you should have drawn a line in the sand and 06:06:30.760 --> 06:06:34.440 either picked on or off. How do you feel about you gave the presentation on Transmog, didn't 06:06:34.440 --> 06:06:37.520 you? Yeah. Yeah. Gosh, I mean, you know, I really 06:06:37.520 --> 06:06:41.320 meant to when I said, I know I was humorous there on stage about it, but you asked 50 06:06:41.320 --> 06:06:44.000 different classic players what the Envision Classic Plus to be, and you're going to get 06:06:44.000 --> 06:06:50.160 70 answers to 100 different answers. I mean, you name it. And Transmog, we found is one 06:06:50.160 --> 06:06:55.680 of those topics that players love the debate over for sure. We think that we've approached 06:06:55.680 --> 06:06:59.920 it in a really smart way where and you'll hear more about this tomorrow by the way in the deep dive 06:06:59.920 --> 06:07:03.920 panel that we're going to do and some of the classic modifications that we've made to transmog 06:07:03.920 --> 06:07:09.440 for folks that choose to engage with it but we've really found a way with this option to where if 06:07:09.440 --> 06:07:15.280 you don't want it to be in the game in your version of classic plus and wow forever you can 06:07:15.280 --> 06:07:20.160 effectively ignore it entirely and imagine it so it doesn't even exist with that with the change 06:07:20.160 --> 06:07:24.880 that we put in but for the players who love it who really love and have shown that they love it 06:07:24.880 --> 06:07:29.120 this is an opportunity for them to be able to express themselves in the way that they want to 06:07:29.120 --> 06:07:36.080 express themselves. Guys, for Transmog, just a quick show of hands. How many of you are so excited 06:07:36.080 --> 06:07:41.360 that they're adding an option to play with Transmog and you can't wait to make your character look 06:07:41.360 --> 06:07:49.600 cool and farm Transmog? Is there a lot of you? Me, yes, me, okay. Okay, so there are people. 06:07:49.600 --> 06:07:56.680 I just wanted to confirm that because I am not that person I'm very excited to turn that off 06:07:56.680 --> 06:08:02.080 so maybe the toggle was the right choice because like to me what I probably would have done is 06:08:02.080 --> 06:08:07.720 just said no transmog sorry guys go play retail to be honest but maybe there's enough of you 06:08:07.720 --> 06:08:12.720 where the toggle was actually a better choice than just saying no I don't see any world where you 06:08:12.720 --> 06:08:17.500 would have just said only transmog like yes allow it like that would have been the worst but 06:08:17.500 --> 06:08:22.900 But yeah, maybe toggle is the appropriate middle ground here then if so many of you 06:08:22.900 --> 06:08:25.580 guys like can't wait to farm that. 06:08:25.580 --> 06:08:34.020 So my big reason as to why I think I would have just said no transmog across the board 06:08:34.020 --> 06:08:41.340 is something along the lines of like say you go up to someone and they have transmog on 06:08:41.340 --> 06:08:43.220 and you have transmog off. 06:08:44.380 --> 06:08:46.500 And you go up to them and you say like, 06:08:46.500 --> 06:08:49.340 haha, nice sword, I remember getting that one or something. 06:08:49.340 --> 06:08:54.340 Or like, you say like something along those lines. 06:08:54.340 --> 06:08:57.340 And what you see on your screen is different 06:08:57.340 --> 06:08:59.860 from what they see on their screen. 06:08:59.860 --> 06:09:03.300 What happens is it fragments the world. 06:09:03.300 --> 06:09:04.740 You're seeing different things 06:09:04.740 --> 06:09:05.780 on your two different screens. 06:09:05.780 --> 06:09:07.500 I'm scared of that a little bit. 06:09:07.500 --> 06:09:13.660 Having said that, I think it's a trade off that might be worth taking because so many 06:09:13.660 --> 06:09:15.620 people like the idea of transmog. 06:09:15.620 --> 06:09:17.180 So I think I'm fine with it. 06:09:17.180 --> 06:09:20.020 But that is a negative, right? 06:09:20.020 --> 06:09:25.540 I think it's a small negative, but it does exist. 06:09:25.540 --> 06:09:28.540 With every design decision, there's going to be positives and there's going to be negatives. 06:09:28.540 --> 06:09:33.580 And the question isn't, is there positives or negatives? 06:09:33.580 --> 06:09:39.060 question is, is there a net positive or is there a net negative? That's a much 06:09:39.060 --> 06:09:47.860 different question, right? And I think in the case of Transmog, the toggle is 06:09:47.860 --> 06:09:53.620 probably a net positive. It does fracture the world slightly, but in return, you have 06:09:53.620 --> 06:09:57.900 a massive amount of players that are now going to be excited to farm Transmog to 06:09:57.900 --> 06:10:01.660 old content and play the game way, way, way longer and more than they would have 06:10:01.660 --> 06:10:08.140 if it didn't exist. So even though there's negative aspects that I don't like, I might concede and say 06:10:09.100 --> 06:10:14.380 yeah, that's a net positive. Sure, that's a net positive even though it does bring some negative. 06:10:16.140 --> 06:10:24.140 So we think it is the best of both worlds. We think that it reaches both of the audiences 06:10:24.140 --> 06:10:27.900 on any other direction. One of the cool things about our team too is that we're 06:10:27.900 --> 06:10:33.100 the classic team, we are staffed with passionate players, right? 06:10:33.100 --> 06:10:38.540 And like, as you know, right, the classic audience has a variety of completely different opinions 06:10:38.540 --> 06:10:39.540 a lot of the time. 06:10:39.540 --> 06:10:40.540 Yeah. 06:10:40.540 --> 06:10:43.780 So do we sometimes, you know, and we have to have these discussions and like, I'll own 06:10:43.780 --> 06:10:44.780 up to it. 06:10:44.780 --> 06:10:46.300 Like I was somewhat of a naysayer. 06:10:46.300 --> 06:10:50.780 Like I was, you know, I was like, I don't want transmog, you know, in my classic plus 06:10:50.780 --> 06:10:53.420 type of mindset. 06:10:53.420 --> 06:10:57.180 And what through our discussions and through our kind of like planning, like, what if, okay, 06:10:57.180 --> 06:11:00.940 well, what if when you turn it off, it turns it off for like, for everyone for you, you know what I mean? 06:11:00.940 --> 06:11:09.540 Like, what we ultimately landed on, for those on the team who weren't, you know, interested in having it on, 06:11:09.940 --> 06:11:18.940 we, when, when we were like, okay, actually, given that this isn't going to disrupt my experience, I'm still going to be able to like, glance at you, see what you're wearing and like, 06:11:18.940 --> 06:11:25.500 Okay, you've got some scale you've never you know these these certain armor pieces. It's it's one of those things that we sort of 06:11:27.100 --> 06:11:32.420 I'm gonna continue playing that this is the pull from the wow classic dot plus website 06:11:33.460 --> 06:11:35.140 51% bad 06:11:35.140 --> 06:11:40.740 28% good 17% I don't care and no opinion. I guess it's similar 06:11:41.540 --> 06:11:44.300 So if you add in the I don't care and the good 06:11:44.300 --> 06:11:50.540 good. Yeah, so they probably made the right choice here. Of course, this poll is not fully 06:11:50.540 --> 06:11:55.140 representative, but still warmed up to it and decided, you know what, where we landed 06:11:55.140 --> 06:12:00.700 hits the sweet spot and allows, gives us the agency to have it off if we want to. I also 06:12:00.700 --> 06:12:05.260 like I like to collect things. So I may just collect appearances, but not use it anyway, 06:12:05.260 --> 06:12:09.100 just because I like to collect things. And so giving people the options comes back to 06:12:09.100 --> 06:12:12.620 that agency, right? We want to be able to give players the agency to choose the experience 06:12:12.620 --> 06:12:16.700 they want. And you've definitely changed the game. You've made something. That's actually a fair point 06:12:16.700 --> 06:12:22.460 that Nora just said. I don't want to do the whole appearances because I think it breaks part of the 06:12:22.460 --> 06:12:29.420 fabric of the spirit of the game, right? Like transmog that is. If you have certain shoulders, 06:12:29.420 --> 06:12:33.420 they should be those certain shoulders. Like I don't like the idea of transmog, but collecting is 06:12:33.420 --> 06:12:39.180 kind of fun. So being able, I wonder if you have transmog off, if you still collect appearances as 06:12:39.180 --> 06:12:42.260 has like a, you know, something to do, 06:12:42.260 --> 06:12:43.240 you never actually use them, 06:12:43.240 --> 06:12:45.500 but you're like a collector in that sense. 06:12:45.500 --> 06:12:48.580 Like completionist content, exactly. 06:12:48.580 --> 06:12:50.860 So like that actually is a good point that Noah wrote up. 06:12:50.860 --> 06:12:53.100 You can do the completionist content. 06:12:53.100 --> 06:12:55.500 You know that, that add-on Aspen Gold used to use, 06:12:55.500 --> 06:12:56.920 it was like all the things, 06:12:56.920 --> 06:13:00.540 you just collected things just for the sake of collecting them. 06:13:00.540 --> 06:13:01.660 You guys remember that? 06:13:01.660 --> 06:13:03.340 I think people might do this still in retail. 06:13:03.340 --> 06:13:05.440 You literally don't even need the item, 06:13:05.440 --> 06:13:09.020 and you don't actually care to use the item, 06:13:09.020 --> 06:13:12.260 but you just get the item to say, 06:13:12.260 --> 06:13:14.100 I got every item in the game. 06:13:14.100 --> 06:13:16.300 So it could be something like that, you know? 06:13:17.180 --> 06:13:20.220 All changes in other ways, like in the different areas, 06:13:20.220 --> 06:13:22.640 there's things that some of the super hardcore, 06:13:22.640 --> 06:13:24.380 while people were telling me about, 06:13:24.380 --> 06:13:26.060 how did you land on what you change 06:13:26.060 --> 06:13:27.860 and what you keep the same? 06:13:27.860 --> 06:13:30.340 Like you changed the, like just some examples, 06:13:30.340 --> 06:13:32.860 the animations, you have the option to have 06:13:32.860 --> 06:13:34.260 a bit more standardized animations 06:13:34.260 --> 06:13:38.740 versus the newer ones, and you have the option, 06:13:38.740 --> 06:13:41.740 visually, to have classic visuals. 06:13:41.740 --> 06:13:42.700 Very curious about that. 06:13:42.700 --> 06:13:44.180 The animations are an interesting one. 06:13:44.180 --> 06:13:46.940 I feel like the animations and the character models 06:13:46.940 --> 06:13:49.860 actually came mostly from our understanding 06:13:49.860 --> 06:13:53.120 of what the classic community was really interested in, 06:13:53.120 --> 06:13:56.460 as well as what other audiences might be interested in. 06:13:56.460 --> 06:13:59.380 Cause like we've also heard from players who were like, 06:13:59.380 --> 06:14:02.860 I can't stomach playing a game, looking like that, 06:14:02.860 --> 06:14:03.700 you know what I mean? 06:14:03.700 --> 06:14:04.540 In either direction. 06:14:04.540 --> 06:14:06.460 In either direction, yeah. 06:14:06.460 --> 06:14:09.180 And so, but really like the more, 06:14:09.180 --> 06:14:11.580 the better, more generic answer to give you about like kind of 06:14:11.580 --> 06:14:14.180 how we've approached decision making in WoW forever, 06:14:14.180 --> 06:14:16.100 it comes back to the design pillars 06:14:16.100 --> 06:14:18.980 that Tim covered in the what's next panel. 06:14:18.980 --> 06:14:20.900 That's part of why also we're using a lot 06:14:20.900 --> 06:14:21.980 of the same words here too. 06:14:21.980 --> 06:14:23.540 We talk about the journey a lot, right? 06:14:23.540 --> 06:14:25.740 We talk about the world, the world is the main character, 06:14:25.740 --> 06:14:27.780 the journey before the destination, right? 06:14:27.780 --> 06:14:31.380 And so, when you have a team that like, 06:14:31.380 --> 06:14:33.460 we're so passionate about the game 06:14:33.460 --> 06:14:35.260 and we have differing opinions, 06:14:35.260 --> 06:14:37.180 that could be a recipe for lots of arguments 06:14:37.180 --> 06:14:39.300 if we didn't have a compass, 06:14:39.300 --> 06:14:41.220 if we didn't have the relationships 06:14:41.220 --> 06:14:43.060 that we trust and love each other 06:14:43.060 --> 06:14:44.460 and we know that at the end of the day, 06:14:44.460 --> 06:14:46.420 okay, we all want the same thing. 06:14:46.420 --> 06:14:50.220 We wanna delight our players and build this incredible, 06:14:50.220 --> 06:14:54.820 classic experience with so much more. 06:14:56.080 --> 06:14:57.700 We're able to play it here today. 06:14:57.700 --> 06:15:00.980 I'd be really curious to hear your theory about 06:15:00.980 --> 06:15:02.420 what happens in two years from now. 06:15:02.420 --> 06:15:05.020 How do you keep a game like this fresh? 06:15:05.020 --> 06:15:07.380 Yeah, we talk about that a lot. 06:15:07.380 --> 06:15:09.420 And we don't have a great interview announced today 06:15:09.420 --> 06:15:12.180 as far as what's going to be happening beyond our roadmap. 06:15:12.180 --> 06:15:15.980 But certainly, when we built Season of Discovery, 06:15:15.980 --> 06:15:17.740 we found out where the lines were. 06:15:17.740 --> 06:15:19.340 It was a big testing ground for us. 06:15:19.340 --> 06:15:20.540 Wonderful experiment. 06:15:20.540 --> 06:15:23.700 We pushed our class design really, really far, 06:15:23.700 --> 06:15:24.820 arguably too far. 06:15:24.820 --> 06:15:26.940 But yeah, we found the line. 06:15:26.940 --> 06:15:28.780 And one of the other benefits from it 06:15:28.780 --> 06:15:32.220 was it really taught us how to build a really strong roadmap 06:15:32.220 --> 06:15:33.420 for the future. 06:15:33.420 --> 06:15:37.860 And at least for the foreseeable future, our plan is, 06:15:37.860 --> 06:15:39.540 we are staying on Azeroth. 06:15:39.540 --> 06:15:40.700 I meant it when I said it, 06:15:40.700 --> 06:15:42.980 that we are gonna be expanding horizontally. 06:15:42.980 --> 06:15:47.980 And that means exploring the unfinished or unused zones 06:15:48.220 --> 06:15:49.740 that the original development team 06:15:49.740 --> 06:15:52.060 maybe simply never had the time to build, 06:15:52.060 --> 06:15:54.740 or these different places that players have built up 06:15:54.740 --> 06:15:58.160 in their minds about what Classic Plus means to them. 06:15:58.160 --> 06:16:02.740 Now, staying on Azeroth and not going through the Dark Portal 06:16:02.740 --> 06:16:05.180 or doing some more intergalactic or something like that, 06:16:05.180 --> 06:16:08.300 doesn't just mean Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. 06:16:08.300 --> 06:16:09.780 I mean, Azeroth is a big place. 06:16:09.780 --> 06:16:11.660 There are other places that we could go, 06:16:11.660 --> 06:16:14.980 but at least for now, for what we're committing to 06:16:14.980 --> 06:16:17.340 for players, it's gonna be a lot of time 06:16:17.340 --> 06:16:20.700 in Classic Azeroth and Eastern Kingdoms and Kalimdor. 06:16:20.700 --> 06:16:23.260 But there, oh, I just love this, man. 06:16:23.260 --> 06:16:27.820 Like this was probably close to my number one thing 06:16:27.820 --> 06:16:31.740 I wanted in Azeroth, or sorry, in Classic Plus. 06:16:31.740 --> 06:16:35.220 was to stay in Azeroth, like almost number one. 06:16:35.220 --> 06:16:38.000 Staying level 60 was up there. 06:16:38.000 --> 06:16:41.100 Staying in Azeroth was really high on my list 06:16:41.100 --> 06:16:44.020 because I don't want there, like I love TBC, 06:16:44.020 --> 06:16:45.700 but I just don't want there to be, 06:16:45.700 --> 06:16:47.140 let's go through the dark portal 06:16:47.140 --> 06:16:48.980 and go to a completely different area 06:16:48.980 --> 06:16:50.500 and leave Azeroth behind. 06:16:50.500 --> 06:16:52.260 And now all the low levels are leveling 06:16:52.260 --> 06:16:54.060 in a different zone and area 06:16:54.060 --> 06:16:55.300 than where all the high levels are at. 06:16:55.300 --> 06:16:57.740 As good as TBC is, that's fundamental, 06:16:57.740 --> 06:17:02.020 like, a game flaw, right? 06:17:02.020 --> 06:17:05.020 Like you have, you fragment your whole player base, right? 06:17:05.020 --> 06:17:07.620 And Runescape, you, the high levels are running around 06:17:07.620 --> 06:17:09.540 those same towns as the low levels. 06:17:09.540 --> 06:17:12.140 And you need the player interaction to, 06:17:12.140 --> 06:17:14.020 to have the low level see the high levels 06:17:14.020 --> 06:17:15.860 and to see the high levels to see the low ones. 06:17:15.860 --> 06:17:18.300 Because the high level, seeing the low level 06:17:18.300 --> 06:17:20.420 might offer help or might just think to himself 06:17:20.420 --> 06:17:23.700 or herself and think, oh wow, I remember being a, 06:17:23.700 --> 06:17:26.540 you know, level six in Goldshire, like that's cool. 06:17:26.540 --> 06:17:29.940 And the low level looks at the high ones like, oh, I want that armor or that mount. 06:17:29.940 --> 06:17:30.940 Like you need that. 06:17:30.940 --> 06:17:31.940 Right. 06:17:31.940 --> 06:17:35.020 And once you take that away, it's, it's, it's bad. 06:17:35.020 --> 06:17:36.020 It's really bad. 06:17:36.020 --> 06:17:38.700 You fragment everyone's brutal, right? 06:17:38.700 --> 06:17:44.740 So as, as, as cool as Outlands was, I'm so happy we're just, we're staying in Azeroth, 06:17:44.740 --> 06:17:45.740 man. 06:17:45.740 --> 06:17:49.620 Now he did say that Azeroth is a big place they can expand. 06:17:49.620 --> 06:18:01.160 I hope that if they expand, it's not giant landmasses, so nothing like as big as Outland. 06:18:01.160 --> 06:18:05.420 And if it's an island like a boat to it, to where you still have to like go to the boat, 06:18:05.420 --> 06:18:08.900 and not too much utility on the island, it's not something that you should stay on for days 06:18:08.900 --> 06:18:09.900 out of time. 06:18:09.900 --> 06:18:13.740 It would be something you visit and leave no auction house there, maybe no mailbox even 06:18:13.740 --> 06:18:14.740 there. 06:18:14.740 --> 06:18:20.020 maybe there's reasons to visit, but not a place to just stay only there for forever. 06:18:20.020 --> 06:18:24.060 It would be more like a place to go explore and then leave, but you would still need to 06:18:24.060 --> 06:18:26.060 go back to Stormwind City. 06:18:26.060 --> 06:18:31.940 You still need to go back to Orgammar, and then you still have the players crossing paths, 06:18:31.940 --> 06:18:34.620 right? 06:18:34.620 --> 06:18:40.540 So but it sounds like for a long time it's this Kalimdorn Eastern Kingdoms guys. 06:18:40.540 --> 06:18:41.540 That was one of my biggest. 06:18:41.540 --> 06:18:50.020 almost like almost my biggest want for this game. No flying level 60 cap staying on Azeroth. 06:18:50.020 --> 06:18:52.980 I mean, those were really like top three in a sense, right? 06:18:53.860 --> 06:18:57.380 So much room for us to play with. And you'll hear about this more in the found photographs 06:18:57.380 --> 06:19:03.220 panel tomorrow or approach to storytelling and how we start from a place of canon and tell stories 06:19:03.220 --> 06:19:08.020 that could have happened during that time period. We intend to stay in that vanilla time period 06:19:08.020 --> 06:19:12.940 forever. How do you tackle that from a storytelling perspective because you know 06:19:12.940 --> 06:19:16.300 you have writers at the time and I know you have people that are super like 06:19:16.300 --> 06:19:21.280 intro to lore and everything like that. How do you strike the same tone you had 06:19:21.280 --> 06:19:24.580 in that original? Because it was a little bit more I want to say this role or 06:19:24.580 --> 06:19:28.020 there was a lot more conflict I would say in the original. How do you stay 06:19:28.020 --> 06:19:31.500 within that idea? Well I mean it starts with having developers who are 06:19:31.500 --> 06:19:35.980 incredibly passionate about the source material. Yeah. I mean incredibly. We have 06:19:35.980 --> 06:19:40.220 you know, our quest designers are also the same people who write their own quest dialogue and are 06:19:40.220 --> 06:19:47.100 able to write for all the different races that are in the game. And they love classic. And I mean, 06:19:47.100 --> 06:19:53.020 I can't stress that enough. They love classics so much that they almost inherently or innately in 06:19:53.020 --> 06:19:58.380 their day-to-day job know what classic feels like when it comes to storytelling. There's that. And 06:19:58.380 --> 06:20:04.140 we also have a wonderful lore team that we work with. We work with Chris Metzen every day. He helped 06:20:04.140 --> 06:20:09.120 helped us develop some of these new zones, the conceits around them, our new race. 06:20:09.120 --> 06:20:13.180 So really, it's a lot of people who just love that source material and are able to 06:20:13.180 --> 06:20:15.980 bring it in their day-to-day working life to make sure it stays authentic. 06:20:15.980 --> 06:20:20.920 Like, dude, I already glazed the Classic team, but just to give you more perspective on 06:20:20.920 --> 06:20:24.940 the glaze, Josh, I actually didn't know this. 06:20:24.940 --> 06:20:30.300 He got his 15-year Blizzard ring recently, like a year or two ago, I think. 06:20:30.300 --> 06:20:32.620 He's been at Blizzard for more than 15 years. 06:20:32.620 --> 06:20:37.620 He's like an OG, Chris, I don't know his last name, 06:20:37.900 --> 06:20:39.380 it starts with a Z, I think. 06:20:39.380 --> 06:20:42.340 Chris, I think he's been at Blizzard even longer. 06:20:42.340 --> 06:20:44.380 Like this guy's been around since the start, 06:20:44.380 --> 06:20:47.780 this guy's just like a complete classic nerd, 06:20:47.780 --> 06:20:49.420 like way more than me. 06:20:49.420 --> 06:20:53.140 Just like, we have some good guys on this team. 06:20:53.140 --> 06:20:58.140 No, not Chris Metzen, Chris with a K, K-R-I-S, not Metzen. 06:20:58.180 --> 06:21:00.500 It starts with a Z, I think. 06:21:00.500 --> 06:21:02.940 is a zeer hut, it might be a zeer hut, you know. 06:21:04.180 --> 06:21:06.780 Chris is like at Blizzard for 21 years or something. 06:21:06.780 --> 06:21:08.220 Oh yeah, it's ridiculous. 06:21:09.940 --> 06:21:10.780 It's ridiculous. 06:21:10.780 --> 06:21:13.220 And then of course there's Mets in two, 06:21:13.220 --> 06:21:14.580 which same thing, right? 06:21:14.580 --> 06:21:16.460 It's like, oh my gosh, 06:21:16.460 --> 06:21:18.540 like some of these guys are absolute vets. 06:21:18.540 --> 06:21:20.740 And there's newer people too, and that's fine. 06:21:20.740 --> 06:21:23.660 But like, guys, we have a good teamwork on this 06:21:23.660 --> 06:21:26.100 in that it's a good feeling. 06:21:26.100 --> 06:21:27.980 It's a good feeling to be like, okay, 06:21:27.980 --> 06:21:30.620 We have some people on the inside 06:21:30.620 --> 06:21:32.220 that know what they're talking about, 06:21:32.220 --> 06:21:34.540 versus a bunch of people that are like, 06:21:34.540 --> 06:21:37.020 just kind of, you know, don't know much about Classic 06:21:37.020 --> 06:21:38.420 or we're hired a year ago. 06:21:38.420 --> 06:21:40.700 And there's nothing wrong about hiring new people, 06:21:40.700 --> 06:21:42.620 but you know, it's nice having some OGs there 06:21:42.620 --> 06:21:43.780 that can like be like, yeah, 06:21:43.780 --> 06:21:45.100 now I've been playing the whole time. 06:21:45.100 --> 06:21:47.060 I'm a Classic enjoyer, this is what we need to do. 06:21:47.060 --> 06:21:47.900 You know what I mean? 06:21:47.900 --> 06:21:49.140 It's pretty cool. 06:21:49.140 --> 06:21:53.220 Actually, there's also a like a historians group 06:21:53.220 --> 06:21:56.020 that like we can email, like there were a couple occasions 06:21:56.020 --> 06:21:58.500 I like shut out an email that was like, oh, you know, 06:21:58.500 --> 06:22:01.180 can you give me feedback on like these lower appropriate 06:22:01.180 --> 06:22:03.780 like night elf naming conventions, right? 06:22:03.780 --> 06:22:07.540 And like it's really cool to have like literally experts 06:22:07.540 --> 06:22:10.460 at the company for like kind of what, what is the ethos? 06:22:10.460 --> 06:22:12.820 What's the, the lore behind, you know, 06:22:12.820 --> 06:22:14.860 these, these different character races, 06:22:14.860 --> 06:22:16.620 these different zones, these different worlds 06:22:16.620 --> 06:22:17.940 at different time periods, right? 06:22:17.940 --> 06:22:21.400 Like there's, there's, there's so much, I think, 06:22:22.540 --> 06:22:23.580 I mean, lore, right? 06:22:23.580 --> 06:22:25.060 In world of Warcraft in general. 06:22:25.060 --> 06:22:28.220 And so like, one of the boons that we have is that 06:22:28.220 --> 06:22:29.980 if we're just kind of sticking with vanilla, 06:22:29.980 --> 06:22:32.340 then we don't have to worry too much about like, 06:22:32.340 --> 06:22:35.620 okay, well, in the future, where are we going from here? 06:22:35.620 --> 06:22:38.420 Cause we're staying grounded and we're not like trying to do 06:22:38.420 --> 06:22:41.600 any kind of grand, you know, oh my gosh, 06:22:41.600 --> 06:22:45.380 this really big thing, like the divergent thing happened 06:22:45.380 --> 06:22:48.860 that would be like super, like does not at all make sense 06:22:48.860 --> 06:22:50.220 for like some future, you know what I mean? 06:22:50.220 --> 06:22:52.700 Like it's really, we're really staying grounded in like, 06:22:52.700 --> 06:22:56.060 You know what, what are the people who are living 06:22:56.060 --> 06:22:58.020 in vanilla world of Warcraft? 06:22:58.020 --> 06:22:59.060 Like what are they thinking? 06:22:59.060 --> 06:22:59.900 What are they doing? 06:22:59.900 --> 06:23:02.620 What are their opinions on what has happened around them 06:23:02.620 --> 06:23:05.380 and to their family members and to their friends and- 06:23:05.380 --> 06:23:09.220 Oh, I just love that answer so much, dude. 06:23:09.220 --> 06:23:12.340 Oh, it's so good, it's so good. 06:23:12.340 --> 06:23:17.060 It's, I think it's so rich for content that like, 06:23:17.060 --> 06:23:18.500 like Clay mentioned, you know, 06:23:18.500 --> 06:23:20.980 we want to stay in vanilla vanilla forever 06:23:20.980 --> 06:23:21.820 and it's one of those- 06:23:21.820 --> 06:23:24.460 I feel like all these modern MMOs feel like the opposite 06:23:24.460 --> 06:23:25.900 of what Nora just said. 06:23:25.900 --> 06:23:28.260 I feel like that modern MMOs, it's like every quest 06:23:28.260 --> 06:23:32.520 has to be this like absolute world shattering experience 06:23:32.520 --> 06:23:34.720 of like, oh my gosh, this is so epic. 06:23:34.720 --> 06:23:36.260 Like you gotta save the world, this and that. 06:23:36.260 --> 06:23:39.460 And like, it's like, no, it's like we're living in Azeroth 06:23:39.460 --> 06:23:41.020 back in the OG days. 06:23:41.020 --> 06:23:42.580 Like what's that, what's going on here? 06:23:42.580 --> 06:23:44.700 You know, you know, like that's already, 06:23:44.700 --> 06:23:46.300 that's such a good setting. 06:23:46.300 --> 06:23:48.620 It's like one of the best settings you could ever ask for. 06:23:48.620 --> 06:23:50.580 You don't need this, go beyond that. 06:23:50.580 --> 06:23:52.620 We don't need to like make it into anything more. 06:23:52.620 --> 06:23:55.900 That's already sick, you know? 06:23:55.900 --> 06:23:58.500 Things that like, there's so much there. 06:23:58.500 --> 06:24:01.340 I think that's going to be pretty accessible to us. 06:24:01.340 --> 06:24:03.580 Yeah, what is, in terms of all the response, 06:24:03.580 --> 06:24:05.060 have you even had a chance to look online? 06:24:05.060 --> 06:24:06.660 Have you seen the response to it? 06:24:06.660 --> 06:24:09.580 I've pulled up like, you know, forums, Twitter, Reddit, 06:24:09.580 --> 06:24:12.180 stuff like that, like just occasionally 06:24:12.180 --> 06:24:13.740 and glancing at it on occasion, 06:24:13.740 --> 06:24:16.260 but like that's, we do that routinely anyways. 06:24:16.260 --> 06:24:17.300 It's not even just a like, 06:24:17.300 --> 06:24:19.580 blizzcon date announcement type thing. 06:24:19.580 --> 06:24:33.740 It's, you know, our team routinely looks at a variety of like, what are the players saying online and, you know, I applaud that because routinely reading Twitter and Reddit is a lifestyle choice. 06:24:33.780 --> 06:24:34.300 Okay. 06:24:36.140 --> 06:24:39.260 It is, it is, it is not it. 06:24:39.580 --> 06:24:42.060 I mean, that is a choice. 06:24:44.380 --> 06:24:45.420 So good on you. 06:24:45.460 --> 06:24:46.820 Good on you. 06:24:46.820 --> 06:24:54.020 Even in person we'd like we get we get folks contacting us. We get you know, we see YouTube videos, right? 06:24:54.020 --> 06:24:57.440 I usually I usually watch creator videos on my my lunch breaks 06:24:57.700 --> 06:25:02.380 Just to kind of like stay up with what what players are asking for expecting, you know 06:25:03.180 --> 06:25:05.500 And what's the response been like? What have you seen? 06:25:06.700 --> 06:25:12.780 Honestly, I'm really excited. I think folks are really delighted like there's all sorts of opinions out there, right? 06:25:12.780 --> 06:25:16.660 like some culture kind of just like, you know, they're like some 06:25:16.660 --> 06:25:19.180 simple because I one of the popular things I'm seeing are 06:25:19.180 --> 06:25:22.980 like, why blue elves and like, we've got great answers for that, 06:25:22.980 --> 06:25:25.380 but I'm not like going on Reddit and like, well, here's what 06:25:25.380 --> 06:25:27.340 you know what I mean? It's it's those are the things that come 06:25:27.340 --> 06:25:31.060 through in the interviews. Well, here's why you should do this. 06:25:31.660 --> 06:25:34.860 Things that come through the panels, especially. And I like, 06:25:34.980 --> 06:25:37.820 again, want to plug the found photographs panel that clay 06:25:37.820 --> 06:25:41.580 mentioned, that goes way deeper into the story and more. 06:25:42.780 --> 06:25:55.780 And it's one of those things that like as long as we keep a pulse on the community, we collaborate with them and we stay open to pivoting based on kind of what we agree with the community is the right approach, right? 06:25:55.780 --> 06:26:02.780 I feel very confident that we're going to absolutely delight our players with Well Forever. 06:26:02.780 --> 06:26:04.780 How about you? Have you got a chance to see the reaction? 06:26:04.780 --> 06:26:05.780 Oh, barely. 06:26:05.780 --> 06:26:07.780 I've been in interviews all day. 06:26:07.780 --> 06:26:13.540 I am so excited to, you know, once the day is done, actually spend a little bit of time 06:26:13.540 --> 06:26:16.180 listening to the community response to it and everything. 06:26:16.180 --> 06:26:19.620 Bro, when I was at the event, I had the same answer as Clay. I was like, 06:26:20.180 --> 06:26:25.700 I didn't know what people were saying because I was just live all day trying to get to all the 06:26:25.700 --> 06:26:31.780 panels, the AWC meet and greet. I literally didn't even look at my phone until I got to the airport 06:26:31.780 --> 06:26:35.700 on Monday, and I had a lot of time at the airport 06:26:35.700 --> 06:26:38.740 because my flight was delayed twice, 06:26:38.740 --> 06:26:41.060 and then we were on the airplane, 06:26:41.060 --> 06:26:44.460 and then we ran out of fuel mid-ride, 06:26:44.460 --> 06:26:46.220 and we had to go back to another airport 06:26:46.220 --> 06:26:47.820 and sit there for another two hours 06:26:47.820 --> 06:26:49.580 because our plane ran out of fuel, 06:26:49.580 --> 06:26:51.340 we had to refuel, and there was technical problems, 06:26:51.340 --> 06:26:52.500 and we had to fix the airplane, 06:26:52.500 --> 06:26:53.980 but we had to wait for the mechanic to get there, 06:26:53.980 --> 06:26:55.580 and the mechanic needed a senior mechanic, 06:26:55.580 --> 06:26:57.140 so we needed that guy to get there, 06:26:57.140 --> 06:26:58.260 and then they fixed the airplane, 06:26:58.260 --> 06:27:00.380 and we went back, and then we had to wait for weather. 06:27:00.380 --> 06:27:02.140 Anyway, that's not the point. 06:27:02.140 --> 06:27:04.380 The point is that a lot of time 06:27:04.380 --> 06:27:06.180 to look at what the internet was saying. 06:27:06.180 --> 06:27:08.220 And there was a lot of, a lot of, 06:27:08.220 --> 06:27:12.960 like I would say the overall thing on the internet 06:27:12.960 --> 06:27:14.360 is that people are hype. 06:27:14.360 --> 06:27:15.860 Like people are very excited 06:27:15.860 --> 06:27:17.660 and they got the big things right. 06:27:17.660 --> 06:27:18.920 But I would say the biggest things 06:27:18.920 --> 06:27:22.700 that I saw with complaints were number one, the Skyborne, 06:27:22.700 --> 06:27:24.900 I would say is the biggest complaint out there, 06:27:24.900 --> 06:27:27.100 which I've already talked to you guys, 06:27:27.100 --> 06:27:29.460 like I actually don't hate Skyborne. 06:27:29.460 --> 06:27:31.860 I think it was a missed opportunity just to do high elves 06:27:31.860 --> 06:27:33.020 and like a first taken high elf 06:27:33.020 --> 06:27:34.620 or like something even cooler. 06:27:34.620 --> 06:27:36.860 I'm not a big Ogre fan, sorry guys. 06:27:36.860 --> 06:27:39.660 But like I think, I don't hate them, I don't love them, 06:27:39.660 --> 06:27:42.380 but people are pretty upset about Skyborne. 06:27:42.380 --> 06:27:45.820 And then two is the UI. 06:27:45.820 --> 06:27:47.700 And I do care about the UI. 06:27:49.260 --> 06:27:51.400 I understand where that hate's coming from. 06:27:51.400 --> 06:27:54.100 In fact, I don't like it. 06:27:54.100 --> 06:27:55.620 I'm gonna have to download it out on. 06:27:55.620 --> 06:27:58.700 That's probably my biggest complaint myself is I don't, 06:27:58.700 --> 06:28:01.820 I don't know why the unit frames of retail, 06:28:01.820 --> 06:28:04.580 the nameplates retail, I don't get it, man. 06:28:04.580 --> 06:28:05.900 I don't like it. 06:28:05.900 --> 06:28:08.780 I would love a toggle to go to the classic UI personally. 06:28:08.780 --> 06:28:10.260 That would be amazing. 06:28:10.260 --> 06:28:12.140 But yeah, that's my biggest personal complaint. 06:28:12.140 --> 06:28:13.540 I've said that a few times. 06:28:14.500 --> 06:28:16.300 Anyway, between Skyborne and the UI, 06:28:16.300 --> 06:28:18.780 those are like the two biggest negatives I've seen, I think. 06:28:18.780 --> 06:28:19.980 Let me think of a third. 06:28:24.660 --> 06:28:25.660 Those are the big two. 06:28:25.660 --> 06:28:28.100 What's the big, is there a third? 06:28:28.700 --> 06:28:36.900 People are saying arenas, but I think that's actually just a loud, I actually haven't seen 06:28:36.900 --> 06:28:37.900 that that too much. 06:28:37.900 --> 06:28:41.180 I think there's the people that love arenas want arenas, but I think by and large, is 06:28:41.180 --> 06:28:42.340 there a third? 06:28:42.340 --> 06:28:45.460 The mega servers, people seem to like that overall. 06:28:45.460 --> 06:28:47.700 I think those are like the big two. 06:28:47.700 --> 06:28:50.740 I think it's the UI and Skyborne, right? 06:28:50.740 --> 06:28:53.780 A lot of the other stuff you guys are saying, like there's people on both sides, but I feel 06:28:53.780 --> 06:28:57.580 like, I feel like a lot of people don't like Skyborne, a lot of people don't like the UI. 06:28:57.580 --> 06:29:00.000 I think those are like the big two. 06:29:00.000 --> 06:29:02.220 Oh, another good one is the server ticks. 06:29:02.220 --> 06:29:03.140 I agree with that. 06:29:03.140 --> 06:29:04.660 I actually care about that myself. 06:29:04.660 --> 06:29:05.780 Server ticks. 06:29:05.780 --> 06:29:08.580 I actually did a notepad of what I don't like. 06:29:08.580 --> 06:29:11.420 The retail UI, the ticks. 06:29:11.420 --> 06:29:14.100 I didn't like the barber and I think some of the legacy system 06:29:14.100 --> 06:29:17.100 talent points are two OP, but yeah, the server ticks. 06:29:17.100 --> 06:29:18.500 So let's go with those three. 06:29:18.500 --> 06:29:20.980 Skyborne server ticks and UI. 06:29:20.980 --> 06:29:23.700 Those are three very valid criticisms 06:29:23.700 --> 06:29:25.540 from the community, I think, for sure. 06:29:26.500 --> 06:29:27.540 Can you explain server ticks? 06:29:27.540 --> 06:29:28.660 I don't get it. 06:29:28.660 --> 06:29:31.740 Okay, so on retail, when you regenerate energy, 06:29:31.740 --> 06:29:32.680 it's like this. 06:29:34.340 --> 06:29:37.140 And then you use energy and then you reach in like this. 06:29:37.140 --> 06:29:38.940 On classic, wow, it goes like this. 06:29:45.260 --> 06:29:46.700 Okay, same with mana. 06:29:46.700 --> 06:29:49.820 Every five seconds of mana on classic, wow, it goes. 06:29:49.820 --> 06:30:01.500 On retail, Manage is steady, server ticks. 06:30:01.500 --> 06:30:02.500 You are not getting that. 06:30:02.500 --> 06:30:03.660 Oh, they need to add that. 06:30:03.660 --> 06:30:04.980 That's like, that's very important. 06:30:04.980 --> 06:30:07.420 I think for sure they need that tick. 06:30:07.420 --> 06:30:09.420 The tick system is amazing. 06:30:09.420 --> 06:30:10.420 Yeah. 06:30:10.420 --> 06:30:12.420 I said, it's a big deal. 06:30:12.420 --> 06:30:15.500 Why is it good? 06:30:15.500 --> 06:30:17.540 It is part of how you play Classic WoW. 06:30:17.540 --> 06:30:22.700 So say you're a rogue and you open up with Ambush, a newbie rogue will open up with Ambush. 06:30:22.700 --> 06:30:25.860 A good rogue will think, okay, when is the next server tick? 06:30:25.860 --> 06:30:29.300 I'm going to open up with Ambush right before the server tick, so right as I use 60 energy 06:30:29.300 --> 06:30:32.260 to Ambush, I'm going to get more energy back and a big leap. 06:30:32.260 --> 06:30:35.060 So you can think ahead of when you're getting these ticks. 06:30:35.060 --> 06:30:36.060 Same with mana. 06:30:36.060 --> 06:30:39.780 You can time your evo-k as a mage with a server tick of mana so you get more mana out of your 06:30:39.780 --> 06:30:42.340 evo-k quicker, right? 06:30:42.340 --> 06:30:43.340 It's a skill gap thing. 06:30:43.340 --> 06:30:44.340 It's very fun. 06:30:44.340 --> 06:30:45.340 It's very cool. 06:30:45.340 --> 06:30:46.340 Same with drinking. 06:30:46.340 --> 06:30:49.040 and water on the server ticks. 06:30:49.040 --> 06:30:52.800 It's a really cool thing, very, very cool thing. 06:30:54.960 --> 06:30:57.400 Certainly being there in the room here at BlizzCon 06:30:57.400 --> 06:30:59.480 and just being a part of the passion 06:30:59.480 --> 06:31:00.520 and the community and stuff. 06:31:00.520 --> 06:31:01.600 I mean, it was incredible. 06:31:01.600 --> 06:31:03.200 Even just getting the name out there 06:31:03.200 --> 06:31:06.920 and having the cinematic be shown was, oh my gosh, 06:31:06.920 --> 06:31:07.760 it's in- 06:31:07.760 --> 06:31:10.720 Okay, a lot of people complained about the name as well. 06:31:11.800 --> 06:31:14.920 I don't really like the name forever either, to be honest, 06:31:14.920 --> 06:31:16.040 but names are hard. 06:31:16.040 --> 06:31:18.080 I don't really have a name that I like better either. 06:31:18.080 --> 06:31:19.880 Like classic plus is my favorite name, 06:31:19.880 --> 06:31:21.800 but that's not really a name. 06:31:23.280 --> 06:31:26.600 And like classic infinite and classic eternal 06:31:26.600 --> 06:31:28.240 and like classic, like I don't know, 06:31:28.240 --> 06:31:30.960 like maybe I like him a little like about the same. 06:31:30.960 --> 06:31:33.040 Classic eternal, like I don't know. 06:31:33.920 --> 06:31:36.160 There's no name that I just like love. 06:31:37.440 --> 06:31:39.440 Why not just call it world of Warcraft? 06:31:43.000 --> 06:31:44.680 I think from a marketing standpoint, 06:31:44.680 --> 06:31:47.320 If you just say, oh, I'm going to go play World of Warcraft, 06:31:47.320 --> 06:31:49.120 or we're releasing a new product called World of Warcraft, 06:31:49.120 --> 06:31:51.040 it's already been done. 06:31:51.040 --> 06:31:52.640 Can't really do that. 06:31:52.640 --> 06:31:53.360 Camelot? 06:31:53.360 --> 06:31:55.400 No, I don't think it could have ever been Camelot. 06:31:55.400 --> 06:31:56.720 It needs to have WoW. 06:31:56.720 --> 06:32:00.920 It could have been World of Warcraft, Camelot, maybe. 06:32:00.920 --> 06:32:01.280 I don't know. 06:32:01.280 --> 06:32:04.040 Anyway, I don't like the name forever that much, 06:32:04.040 --> 06:32:05.440 but it's also just a name. 06:32:05.440 --> 06:32:06.840 It doesn't matter, right? 06:32:06.840 --> 06:32:08.320 And I don't really know of anything 06:32:08.320 --> 06:32:10.960 I like that much better, so it's kind of whatever. 06:32:10.960 --> 06:32:11.720 It's indescribable. 06:32:11.720 --> 06:32:13.240 I'm just so happy it's out there now, 06:32:13.240 --> 06:32:15.640 and you weren't able to talk about it. 06:32:15.640 --> 06:32:19.080 So yeah, I'm excited to see what the response is. 06:32:19.080 --> 06:32:21.140 I would say, you know, as we mentioned before, 06:32:21.140 --> 06:32:22.800 you ask 50 different players, 06:32:22.800 --> 06:32:24.480 you're gonna get over 50 different answers 06:32:24.480 --> 06:32:25.400 for what's supposed to mean to them. 06:32:25.400 --> 06:32:29.300 And as Nora mentioned, we're building this with the community. 06:32:29.300 --> 06:32:31.280 And we've shown as a classic team, 06:32:31.280 --> 06:32:33.120 especially with Supply Night Season Discovery, 06:32:33.120 --> 06:32:35.720 we are very responsive to player feedback 06:32:35.720 --> 06:32:37.560 and very quick to pivot when we need to 06:32:37.560 --> 06:32:39.240 with the smart right changes. 06:32:39.240 --> 06:32:41.400 And so yeah, we just look forward to continuing 06:32:41.400 --> 06:32:42.240 to build this with them. 06:32:42.240 --> 06:32:44.000 And for anybody who may be skeptical, 06:32:44.000 --> 06:32:46.000 we want them to jump in the beta. 06:32:46.000 --> 06:32:49.200 It starts on Thursday and launches not that long after, 06:32:49.200 --> 06:32:50.960 and we're excited to take this journey with them. 06:32:50.960 --> 06:32:53.000 I've seen a lot of shock, actually, 06:32:53.000 --> 06:32:56.160 because I was even talking to players at the charity, 06:32:56.160 --> 06:32:58.720 the BlizzCon charity dinner last night. 06:32:58.720 --> 06:33:02.480 And one of them was like, oh, it would 06:33:02.480 --> 06:33:05.680 be cool to just see some class changes, maybe a couple 06:33:05.680 --> 06:33:07.600 of dungeons, and perhaps a raid. 06:33:07.600 --> 06:33:09.040 I know it's asking for a lot. 06:33:09.040 --> 06:33:11.800 And then I was like sipping my drink like, 06:33:11.800 --> 06:33:13.680 oh, you have no idea what's coming, right? 06:33:13.680 --> 06:33:15.160 And like checking it. 06:33:15.160 --> 06:33:17.040 I love the little voices. 06:33:17.040 --> 06:33:19.720 Ha ha ha, Nora W. 06:33:19.720 --> 06:33:20.640 Oh my gosh. 06:33:20.640 --> 06:33:23.000 Like checking socials today, 06:33:23.000 --> 06:33:24.840 just sporadically in between, 06:33:24.840 --> 06:33:26.960 frenetically in between the interviews. 06:33:26.960 --> 06:33:30.200 I got to see a lot of like shock and awe of people being like, 06:33:30.200 --> 06:33:31.880 holy smokes, is this real? 06:33:31.880 --> 06:33:33.560 Like holy smoke, I'm delighted. 06:33:33.560 --> 06:33:35.160 I wonder what they're gonna, where they're gonna take this. 06:33:35.160 --> 06:33:37.360 You know, it's incredible to see. 06:33:37.360 --> 06:33:39.200 How does she know how you guys sound too? 06:33:39.200 --> 06:33:40.480 That's like the craziest part. 06:33:40.480 --> 06:33:44.960 It's like, huh, weird. 06:33:44.960 --> 06:33:47.000 Yeah, to me, it seems super positive online. 06:33:47.000 --> 06:33:47.680 Yeah. 06:33:47.680 --> 06:33:50.680 I would say that I think I have to imagine 06:33:50.680 --> 06:33:53.120 that the size and the scale of what we are building 06:33:53.120 --> 06:33:55.200 is probably a lot bigger than what Claire's expected. 06:33:55.200 --> 06:33:55.680 Oh, really? 06:33:55.680 --> 06:33:57.680 When Nora went on stage, she announced literally 06:33:57.680 --> 06:33:59.760 nine new dungeons, two new raids. 06:33:59.760 --> 06:34:01.480 I mean, most of the time, leading up to. 06:34:01.480 --> 06:34:04.560 It's bigger than I expected. 06:34:04.560 --> 06:34:06.360 And I knew a lot of what was coming. 06:34:06.360 --> 06:34:10.120 So that's saying something like nine. 06:34:10.120 --> 06:34:11.120 It's like, all right. 06:34:11.120 --> 06:34:13.880 To this within, let's say a few weeks ago, 06:34:13.880 --> 06:34:16.560 before the hype really started building. 06:34:16.560 --> 06:34:17.680 I mean, the expectation was, 06:34:17.680 --> 06:34:19.200 oh, they'll start from vanilla 06:34:19.200 --> 06:34:20.160 and they'll add a couple of things. 06:34:20.160 --> 06:34:22.000 And that's basically it, and they'll go from there. 06:34:22.000 --> 06:34:24.040 I had a player walk up to me after the, 06:34:24.040 --> 06:34:24.880 what's next? 06:34:24.880 --> 06:34:25.720 Nine dungeons guys. 06:34:25.720 --> 06:34:27.440 And they were like, you know, 06:34:27.440 --> 06:34:29.560 I thought there'd be a few dungeons, 06:34:29.560 --> 06:34:31.280 but then you just kept talking 06:34:31.280 --> 06:34:34.040 and you just kept listing off dungeon names. 06:34:34.040 --> 06:34:35.200 It was like, yeah. 06:34:35.200 --> 06:34:37.240 Wait, do you guys actually think it's too many? 06:34:37.240 --> 06:34:38.600 Do you guys think it's too much content? 06:34:38.600 --> 06:34:41.160 Like maybe they should have released four or five, 06:34:41.160 --> 06:34:44.080 saved the other ones for later patches. 06:34:44.080 --> 06:34:45.360 No? 06:34:45.360 --> 06:34:48.160 Dude, it is so much content we're getting. 06:34:48.160 --> 06:34:51.880 A thousand new quests, 600 new, 06:34:51.880 --> 06:34:54.400 what was it, prof items or something? 06:34:54.400 --> 06:34:57.540 Nine new dungeons, I mean, that is so much content. 06:34:58.480 --> 06:34:59.780 That is insane. 06:35:01.600 --> 06:35:04.360 Holy crap, my steak is too juicy. 06:35:04.360 --> 06:35:06.280 I mean, you don't want your steak too rare. 06:35:06.280 --> 06:35:08.200 If it's like bleeding all over the place, you know, 06:35:08.200 --> 06:35:10.680 you want like, I like my steaks about medium. 06:35:10.680 --> 06:35:13.120 I actually liked, I used to like medium rare. 06:35:14.340 --> 06:35:15.180 I don't know what happened. 06:35:15.180 --> 06:35:17.300 I was like, I would actually like a little more cooked. 06:35:17.300 --> 06:35:18.800 So I were medium these days. 06:35:19.700 --> 06:35:23.020 But I actually went to dinner with my YouTube editor 06:35:23.020 --> 06:35:25.220 and he got a steak and he ordered it rare. 06:35:28.140 --> 06:35:29.120 Nikki, if you're watching this, 06:35:29.120 --> 06:35:30.340 like I don't know how you ate that thing, 06:35:30.340 --> 06:35:32.480 but it was just, it was still, it was cold in the middle. 06:35:32.480 --> 06:35:35.720 Like it was straight, like rare. 06:35:35.720 --> 06:35:37.360 Yeah, and he enjoyed it though. 06:35:37.360 --> 06:35:39.000 It's like, all right, man, if that's what you wanna do, 06:35:39.000 --> 06:35:40.040 you can eat your steak rare. 06:35:40.040 --> 06:35:42.080 I'm gonna get mine cooked. 06:35:42.080 --> 06:35:45.360 But whatever, and anyway, that's not the point. 06:35:45.360 --> 06:35:47.460 Point is that's a lot of content, man. 06:35:48.680 --> 06:35:50.440 You know, our team is small, 06:35:50.440 --> 06:35:51.560 but our ambition is mighty 06:35:51.560 --> 06:35:53.200 that just from your script from the last day, 06:35:53.200 --> 06:35:54.040 so I stole that. 06:35:54.040 --> 06:35:57.360 The passion that our team has 06:35:57.360 --> 06:35:59.200 to deliver incredible things, 06:35:59.200 --> 06:36:01.440 I think knows no bounds, honestly. 06:36:01.440 --> 06:36:05.280 And I can be prouder of what the team has delivered, 06:36:05.280 --> 06:36:09.080 given just how much stuff we've put in forever. 06:36:09.080 --> 06:36:12.120 Like we have, the what's next did not cover 06:36:12.120 --> 06:36:13.480 everything that's coming in forever. 06:36:13.480 --> 06:36:17.240 And we had lots of chats and discussions internally about, 06:36:17.240 --> 06:36:22.240 what can we fit, what can we pack in this 45 minute panel? 06:36:22.440 --> 06:36:24.240 Well, let me ask you really quick. 06:36:24.240 --> 06:36:26.040 Have the rumors were going around 06:36:26.040 --> 06:36:28.040 that wow, classic plus, I think. 06:36:28.040 --> 06:36:29.480 Yeah, someone in the chat said it right. 06:36:29.480 --> 06:36:31.760 If you say medium, they bring you medium rare. 06:36:31.760 --> 06:36:33.160 So I think that's what it is. 06:36:33.160 --> 06:36:35.000 Every time I order a steak medium, 06:36:35.000 --> 06:36:36.500 it comes out medium rare. 06:36:37.760 --> 06:36:40.300 But I do medium rare, they always serve me rare steak. 06:36:40.300 --> 06:36:42.200 I'm like, I don't want a rare steak. 06:36:42.200 --> 06:36:44.660 I want a medium rare steak, so I'm gonna order medium. 06:36:44.660 --> 06:36:46.200 That's what I figured out. 06:36:46.200 --> 06:36:48.220 That's actually what I figured out. 06:36:48.220 --> 06:36:50.120 So that's why I order medium at a restaurant. 06:36:50.120 --> 06:36:51.640 Because it comes out medium rare anyways. 06:36:51.640 --> 06:36:53.680 All right, that's fine then. 06:36:53.680 --> 06:36:55.320 So that's the tech. 06:36:55.320 --> 06:36:56.960 That's what it was being called. 06:36:56.960 --> 06:36:59.840 And what did people get close on 06:36:59.840 --> 06:37:02.240 that maybe didn't quite make the cut 06:37:02.240 --> 06:37:05.880 or that you kind of like the sound of? 06:37:05.880 --> 06:37:06.720 Anything? 06:37:06.720 --> 06:37:08.200 Ring the bell? 06:37:08.200 --> 06:37:09.800 That's good question. 06:37:09.800 --> 06:37:11.520 So things that we haven't announced yet 06:37:11.520 --> 06:37:13.600 that players got close to predicting. 06:37:13.600 --> 06:37:14.440 Yeah. 06:37:14.440 --> 06:37:15.280 Well, we haven't announced it yet. 06:37:15.280 --> 06:37:17.520 Well, no, no, let me rephrase it. 06:37:17.520 --> 06:37:19.560 So like before the big announcement, 06:37:19.560 --> 06:37:21.840 people had theories about what it would be. 06:37:21.840 --> 06:37:22.680 Sure. 06:37:22.680 --> 06:37:24.840 Were any of them like comical to you 06:37:24.840 --> 06:37:26.520 or stuff that you discussed internally? 06:37:26.520 --> 06:37:28.320 I mean, there was stuff. 06:37:28.320 --> 06:37:32.120 Guys, this was tough being on my side of the stage. 06:37:32.120 --> 06:37:33.360 All right? 06:37:33.360 --> 06:37:37.560 Actually, I was in a tough position, all right? 06:37:37.560 --> 06:37:38.640 They told us stuff. 06:37:38.640 --> 06:37:40.200 So obviously I knew, and then people are like, 06:37:40.200 --> 06:37:41.120 what do you think of this? 06:37:41.120 --> 06:37:42.720 And I'm just like, I'm thinking in my head like, 06:37:42.720 --> 06:37:46.160 this guy is so far off, but like, I can't even, 06:37:46.160 --> 06:37:49.040 I just, this guy is completely wrong. 06:37:49.040 --> 06:37:50.800 Like, what? 06:37:50.800 --> 06:37:53.000 Like, oh my gosh. 06:37:53.000 --> 06:37:55.240 Like, I don't actually want to name any names, 06:37:55.240 --> 06:37:59.000 but some people were very wrong and very confidently wrong. 06:37:59.000 --> 06:38:00.360 Like there were some people that were like, 06:38:00.360 --> 06:38:01.200 this is what's happening. 06:38:01.200 --> 06:38:04.000 And I'm just thinking like, you are so confidently wrong 06:38:04.000 --> 06:38:06.320 and it's insane how confidently wrong you are. 06:38:06.320 --> 06:38:07.320 Like what? 06:38:08.640 --> 06:38:10.880 Oh my gosh. 06:38:10.880 --> 06:38:12.760 Oscar worthy performance. 06:38:12.760 --> 06:38:15.240 Guys, it is not Oscar. 06:38:15.240 --> 06:38:16.080 Couldn't actually, 06:38:17.600 --> 06:38:20.200 couldn't actually like say anything. 06:38:20.200 --> 06:38:22.960 So I had to just like sit there, 06:38:22.960 --> 06:38:25.680 but there we go. 06:38:26.680 --> 06:38:28.240 Here we go. 06:38:28.240 --> 06:38:31.160 Where, especially in the last few weeks, 06:38:31.160 --> 06:38:33.280 as the speculation and the hype had been mounting, 06:38:33.280 --> 06:38:34.680 I mean, all that players really knew 06:38:34.680 --> 06:38:36.400 was that we were announcing something today. 06:38:36.400 --> 06:38:37.240 Yeah. 06:38:37.240 --> 06:38:38.800 And there were maybe a couple words 06:38:38.800 --> 06:38:40.160 that made their way out on the internet 06:38:40.160 --> 06:38:42.040 that players have speculated around, 06:38:42.040 --> 06:38:44.560 but that was enough, particularly in the last, 06:38:44.560 --> 06:38:46.920 say week, where all of a sudden, 06:38:46.920 --> 06:38:49.400 speculation just ran rampant. 06:38:49.400 --> 06:38:50.960 And it was everything from, 06:38:50.960 --> 06:38:53.920 Oh, this Classic Plus is going to be a mobile game. 06:38:53.920 --> 06:38:55.520 Oh, it's going to be set. 06:38:55.520 --> 06:38:56.320 It's a prequel. 06:38:56.320 --> 06:38:57.960 It's going to be set 10,000 years ago, 06:38:57.960 --> 06:38:59.960 but I don't know, a whole new storyline. 06:38:59.960 --> 06:39:01.120 I mean, you name it. 06:39:01.120 --> 06:39:04.320 But that original vision that all players share of Classic 06:39:04.320 --> 06:39:09.040 Plus is, it is vanilla, but it doesn't go to the dark portal. 06:39:09.040 --> 06:39:10.720 And that is what we delivered. 06:39:10.720 --> 06:39:12.360 And so if there's one thing that I 06:39:12.360 --> 06:39:14.000 feel like we've absolutely delivered on 06:39:14.000 --> 06:39:16.440 is that vanilla feel with the vanilla game 06:39:16.440 --> 06:39:19.640 play in that vanilla world that will continue forever, 06:39:19.640 --> 06:39:22.460 or at least as long as players want us to continue it. 06:39:22.460 --> 06:39:23.300 Awesome. 06:39:23.300 --> 06:39:27.320 Yeah, it's, I have to say, like a lot of the, 06:39:27.320 --> 06:39:29.000 there was often like the like, 06:39:29.000 --> 06:39:30.840 they're going to do new dungeons and it's like, 06:39:30.840 --> 06:39:32.340 and I started going, ooh, 06:39:32.340 --> 06:39:34.820 and then they would be like, it's going to be mobile. 06:39:34.820 --> 06:39:36.580 And then I'm like, that is so far off. 06:39:36.580 --> 06:39:39.340 Like the things that were wrong were like so far wrong. 06:39:39.340 --> 06:39:41.740 Yeah, like a huge like that left her. 06:39:41.740 --> 06:39:43.940 And so like, yeah, it's hard to think of 06:39:43.940 --> 06:39:46.260 what even was close other than, you know, 06:39:46.260 --> 06:39:47.820 like a lot of players correctly predicted 06:39:47.820 --> 06:39:49.580 we were going to do something with Hygel, right? 06:39:49.580 --> 06:39:51.500 Yeah, true. 06:39:51.500 --> 06:39:54.180 So no, don't you guys have phone lines this time? 06:39:54.180 --> 06:39:56.740 Oh, yeah. 06:39:56.740 --> 06:39:57.380 Yeah. 06:39:57.380 --> 06:39:58.820 Well, anyway, thank you so much. 06:39:58.820 --> 06:39:59.300 Yeah, thank you. 06:39:59.300 --> 06:40:02.060 I am so excited about this version of the game. 06:40:02.060 --> 06:40:04.580 It's cool for somebody like me who feels like, you know, 06:40:04.580 --> 06:40:07.060 I go into classic late, I miss the original late, 06:40:07.060 --> 06:40:08.260 but I'm ready for this one. 06:40:08.260 --> 06:40:11.260 So I think a lot of people are like me who feel that way. 06:40:11.260 --> 06:40:12.300 So amazing. 06:40:12.300 --> 06:40:17.820 Yeah, I think like it's hard to get a judge of the landscape 06:40:17.820 --> 06:40:25.040 of things when you go on the internet sometimes because the vocal minority is very, very loud. 06:40:25.040 --> 06:40:32.020 So what I did is, you know, I have some friends, believe it or not, couple, and I actually 06:40:32.020 --> 06:40:35.960 texted them, you know, some friends that play classic while and I was like, so what did 06:40:35.960 --> 06:40:37.460 you think of the announcement? 06:40:37.460 --> 06:40:40.440 You know, and I was like, what did you, what did you not like? 06:40:40.440 --> 06:40:42.260 Like what did you not like and what did you like? 06:40:42.260 --> 06:40:48.660 And by and large, from the people that I asked, like the big thing was like, well, they're 06:40:48.660 --> 06:40:53.140 giving us what we want by and large, but there's, you know, some things and I think the big 06:40:53.140 --> 06:40:54.140 one was the UI. 06:40:54.140 --> 06:40:59.340 I think, I think the UI is actually the number one thing that I've heard people complain 06:40:59.340 --> 06:41:00.340 about. 06:41:00.340 --> 06:41:05.260 Maybe even more than Skyborne, probably even more than Skyborne UI, Skyborne and the ticks. 06:41:05.260 --> 06:41:07.780 But I'd say the UI is probably number one. 06:41:07.780 --> 06:41:13.700 You know, the UI of being more retail looking is tough. 06:41:13.700 --> 06:41:16.780 It's tough, very tough, very tough. 06:41:16.780 --> 06:41:20.780 But besides those, I think by and large, 06:41:20.780 --> 06:41:22.820 they deliver the classic plus concept. 06:41:22.820 --> 06:41:25.420 Like a lot of the stuff we want, it's like, all right, yeah, 06:41:25.420 --> 06:41:27.540 totally. 06:41:27.540 --> 06:41:29.180 Put it to try it out in the near future, 06:41:29.180 --> 06:41:30.180 and thank you for the interview. 06:41:30.180 --> 06:41:30.980 Absolutely, thank you. 06:41:30.980 --> 06:41:31.740 Thank you. 06:41:31.740 --> 06:41:33.580 Awesome questions, too. 06:41:33.580 --> 06:41:35.020 All right, thanks for watching, everybody. 06:41:35.020 --> 06:41:36.260 Hit that subscribe button. 06:41:36.260 --> 06:41:40.960 Yeah, I've got to give this guy a shout out, Destin. 06:41:40.960 --> 06:41:46.700 That was a really good interview for someone who doesn't play well. 06:41:46.700 --> 06:41:48.400 That was well done. 06:41:48.400 --> 06:41:50.720 He doesn't even like play well. 06:41:50.720 --> 06:41:51.760 That was nice. 06:41:51.760 --> 06:41:53.560 Good questions if you don't play the game. 06:41:53.560 --> 06:41:54.560 So solid. 06:41:54.560 --> 06:41:56.120 Well, to know my content goes live, 06:41:56.120 --> 06:41:58.080 thank you so very much for hanging out. 06:41:58.080 --> 06:41:59.080 Thank you to the members. 06:41:59.080 --> 06:42:01.120 Chris Reddy, Phil Roni, Shane Carroll, 06:42:01.120 --> 06:42:03.480 Cherubby, Jason Marcus, Harkeet, Emma, Michael, Brent, 06:42:03.480 --> 06:42:04.640 and Roberto. 06:42:04.640 --> 06:42:06.120 I really appreciate your support. 06:42:06.120 --> 06:42:07.580 I am gonna get out of here. 06:42:07.580 --> 06:42:09.120 Very, very, very, very solid. 06:42:09.120 --> 06:42:11.240 I'll link the video, sure. 06:42:11.240 --> 06:42:13.580 It's on Destin's YouTube, here's the link right here. 06:42:14.940 --> 06:42:17.440 You have to watch the payout video, yeah, I saw it. 06:42:19.680 --> 06:42:21.080 I don't care about the UI. 06:42:22.840 --> 06:42:24.480 Actually, let me do a quick poll. 06:42:27.040 --> 06:42:28.400 The modern UI. 06:42:29.400 --> 06:42:31.120 Yes, I care. 06:42:31.120 --> 06:42:32.680 Nah, don't care. 06:42:32.680 --> 06:42:33.720 I'm gonna do a quick poll. 06:42:33.720 --> 06:42:35.920 Like, do you care about this? 06:42:35.920 --> 06:42:38.140 Is this a big deal to you? 06:42:38.140 --> 06:42:39.260 Yes, I care, big deal. 06:42:39.260 --> 06:42:40.580 No, I don't care at all. 06:42:40.580 --> 06:42:42.620 Like, I'm gonna do a quick poll. 06:42:43.500 --> 06:42:45.620 I already kind of biased you guys in a sense 06:42:45.620 --> 06:42:46.900 because like, I care. 06:42:46.900 --> 06:42:49.060 But just give me your honest opinion, you know? 06:42:49.060 --> 06:42:49.900 Give me your honest opinion. 06:42:49.900 --> 06:42:51.740 I'll do a poll over on YouTube as well. 06:42:52.860 --> 06:42:53.860 Modern UI. 06:42:55.460 --> 06:42:57.540 Yes, I care, big deal. 06:42:57.540 --> 06:42:58.700 No, I don't care at all. 06:42:58.700 --> 06:43:10.460 Wow. Okay. So everybody keep voting. Let's get, let's get a larger sample size here. 06:43:10.460 --> 06:43:17.780 From what I can see so far, there's actually a, you know, it's pretty, you know, pretty 06:43:17.780 --> 06:43:25.340 close, but there's a lot of people that just don't care. There's a lot of people that just 06:43:25.340 --> 06:43:30.780 don't care that much. But you know, of course, there's a lot of people to do. For me, it's 06:43:30.780 --> 06:43:34.780 a big deal. It's like a massive deal. I'll download it and add on and it'll be fine, 06:43:34.780 --> 06:43:38.620 but it is a big deal. It's first impressions. It's like how the game looks and feels, but 06:43:38.620 --> 06:43:47.700 I'm actually surprised it's that low, so maybe it's fine. Maybe I'm more of a minority here. 06:43:47.700 --> 06:43:57.700 Let me pull SkyBorn. Sure, let's do that. Let me end this pull. End pull. New pull. 06:43:57.700 --> 06:44:08.780 SkyBorn the way they are. I'll just put SkyBorn. What should I do? I like them. I hate them 06:44:08.780 --> 06:44:15.940 or I don't really care that much. They're all right. Like, like, hate indifferent. Yeah, 06:44:15.940 --> 06:44:20.340 should do that. Sky born. I like them. 06:44:24.700 --> 06:44:29.060 Like them, hate them in different. 06:44:31.580 --> 06:44:36.100 Okay, I'm going to do that poll now. I'm actually really curious on this one as 06:44:36.100 --> 06:44:38.380 well. So everybody vote up. I'll do that same pull over on YouTube. 06:44:38.380 --> 06:44:53.980 Skyborne, like it, hate it, don't care. 06:44:53.980 --> 06:44:57.840 So this is the data, everyone keep voting. 06:44:57.840 --> 06:45:03.380 13% like it, 24% hate it, 63% indifferent. 06:45:03.380 --> 06:45:04.380 I'm indifferent. 06:45:04.380 --> 06:45:06.060 I actually don't hate them. 06:45:06.060 --> 06:45:09.080 Is it my preference for a race if I were in charge? 06:45:09.080 --> 06:45:11.740 No, but I don't hate it. 06:45:11.740 --> 06:45:15.700 So based on this data, which is a very small sample size, 06:45:15.700 --> 06:45:19.860 very small sample size, what you read on the internet 06:45:19.860 --> 06:45:22.500 is that this is the worst thing ever. 06:45:22.500 --> 06:45:24.860 Blizzard completely screwed up the game's dead, 06:45:24.860 --> 06:45:28.140 but the reality is like most people don't care, right? 06:45:28.140 --> 06:45:32.820 The silent majority of like, I don't care is the reality. 06:45:32.820 --> 06:45:35.060 But what you read online does not make it feel that way. 06:45:35.060 --> 06:45:37.540 Makes you feel like this was the biggest L ever. 06:45:37.540 --> 06:45:42.300 Because the vocal minority is so loud, right? 06:45:42.300 --> 06:45:44.140 Obviously, it's OK if you hate them, right? 06:45:44.140 --> 06:45:46.100 That's a valid take, by the way. 06:45:46.100 --> 06:45:48.140 Very valid take. 06:45:48.140 --> 06:45:51.260 But it is a minority take, which is interesting. 06:45:55.340 --> 06:45:58.340 2K is a big enough sample size for sure. 06:45:58.340 --> 06:46:00.180 Yeah, I mean, it's an OK sample. 06:46:00.180 --> 06:46:04.460 But obviously, it's not fully inclusive. 06:46:04.460 --> 06:46:06.880 YouTube poll was very similar as well. 06:46:06.880 --> 06:46:09.320 Okay, and then I want to do a third poll 06:46:09.320 --> 06:46:11.920 on the third biggest thing to, 06:46:11.920 --> 06:46:14.060 I think most of us is the TIC system. 06:46:18.580 --> 06:46:22.220 Server TICs for mana, energy, et cetera. 06:46:26.380 --> 06:46:27.220 What should I say? 06:46:27.220 --> 06:46:29.760 Like this needs to be in, 06:46:31.120 --> 06:46:33.460 I like it better modernized. 06:46:33.460 --> 06:46:37.620 Like so, modern, which is like a steady tick 06:46:37.620 --> 06:46:40.260 or don't care either way. 06:46:45.020 --> 06:46:47.400 Okay, so I'm gonna start that poll now. 06:46:47.400 --> 06:46:49.400 I'll do that same poll on YouTube as well. 06:47:03.460 --> 06:47:13.560 Whoa. This is actually way different than I thought. The amount of people saying I like 06:47:13.560 --> 06:47:20.020 it better modern is surprising. That's crazy to me. Modern is like, I think like way not 06:47:20.020 --> 06:47:28.580 plastic like that's pretty bad. Wow, I can't believe it's that close. Good to think about. 06:47:28.580 --> 06:47:33.020 I mean, for me, ticks need to be in like it's not even a discussion like they're a big 06:47:33.020 --> 06:47:40.380 deal but hey I guess for you guys it's not as big of a deal. This is why voting 06:47:40.380 --> 06:47:44.380 needs to be in the game. If voting was in the game the precedent are that ticks 06:47:44.380 --> 06:47:50.020 are in. So the way voting would work if it was in the game is if you wanted it 06:47:50.020 --> 06:47:56.340 modern 70% or higher would need to like it better modern. 27% like it better 06:47:56.340 --> 06:48:04.340 modern. So it would be nowhere close to passing a poll, nowhere close to passing a poll. It 06:48:04.340 --> 06:48:09.780 would be like, it would be like not even up for discussion. Right. That because that's 06:48:09.780 --> 06:48:16.100 the way polling works is you respect precedent first. So since it's that way already, it's 06:48:16.100 --> 06:48:18.100 It's like, okay, so it'll stay that way. 06:48:27.220 --> 06:48:28.580 You could say the same thing about putting ticks 06:48:28.580 --> 06:48:30.740 in since modern is in now. 06:48:30.740 --> 06:48:32.240 I don't know what you mean by that. 06:48:34.300 --> 06:48:35.140 Okay. 06:48:36.860 --> 06:48:38.780 Yeah, a lot of people are saying explain ticks. 06:48:38.780 --> 06:48:39.940 We don't even get them. 06:48:43.580 --> 06:48:45.220 Crap, I just explained them a second ago. 06:48:45.220 --> 06:48:48.020 I feel like my explanation wasn't very good, 06:48:48.020 --> 06:48:49.960 but essentially in classic WoW, 06:48:49.960 --> 06:48:53.180 when you regenerate energy, you have zero energy. 06:48:53.180 --> 06:48:55.100 When you regenerate energy, it goes, 06:49:00.580 --> 06:49:01.420 kind of like that. 06:49:01.420 --> 06:49:03.300 Whereas in retail, it's just smooth. 06:49:03.300 --> 06:49:08.300 It goes, regenerates at a constant rate versus a tick. 06:49:10.380 --> 06:49:14.220 Same with mana, same with energy. 06:49:15.220 --> 06:49:16.820 Same with health ticks, I believe. 06:49:20.940 --> 06:49:22.740 That's what I mean by ticks. 06:49:24.980 --> 06:49:26.220 Explain why you think they're good. 06:49:26.220 --> 06:49:27.340 Okay, so why is it better? 06:49:27.700 --> 06:49:34.460 Uh, so, and I guess this is maybe a PvP or take, but in PvP, they're everything. 06:49:34.460 --> 06:49:39.220 They're the whole foundation of PvP and classic, right? 06:49:39.340 --> 06:49:43.660 When a rogue is stealthing in or a druid is stealthing in, you want to open up with 06:49:43.660 --> 06:49:48.220 ambush right on the server tick so you ambush and get energy back or a noob wouldn't know 06:49:48.220 --> 06:49:52.340 about that and not utilize the server ticks to their advantage, right? 06:49:52.340 --> 06:49:55.780 It's the whole, it's, you don't have many spells, but the server ticks give you the 06:49:55.780 --> 06:50:00.540 skill expression with mages when you evocate matters. 06:50:00.540 --> 06:50:03.120 You notice evo, it's, I'm going to evo on the server tick. 06:50:03.120 --> 06:50:05.860 When you drink matters, I'm not just going to drink, I'm going to drink on the server 06:50:05.860 --> 06:50:06.860 tick. 06:50:06.860 --> 06:50:07.860 I'm going to eat on the server tick. 06:50:07.860 --> 06:50:08.860 I'm going to move on the server tick. 06:50:08.860 --> 06:50:13.020 So it gets not quite the same as a runescape or an even bigger deal, but it's a big deal 06:50:13.020 --> 06:50:19.420 for wild PvP. So taking that out removes a lot of like classic PvP at a high level at 06:50:19.420 --> 06:50:27.580 least. So it's a big deal. It's a very big deal for like classic PvP. Very big deal. 06:50:27.580 --> 06:50:32.540 And PvE doesn't matter like that much. Maybe slightly if you're a parser, but like maybe 06:50:32.540 --> 06:50:37.340 not toggle the tick. No, it needs to be on for everyone. You can't have it on for some 06:50:37.340 --> 06:50:42.140 all for others. Repull it now that people know what it is and whatever. 06:50:49.500 --> 06:50:56.220 Pull arenas or 1v1 dual raiders? I don't know if that's like a false dichotomy, right? It's not 06:50:56.220 --> 06:51:01.820 like arenas or 1v1s, it could be both. Like I could pull them individually. I think a lot of people 06:51:01.820 --> 06:51:07.980 People would like a Brawlers Guild where you could go somewhere and watch people duke it out. 06:51:07.980 --> 06:51:08.980 That would be sick. 06:51:08.980 --> 06:51:14.820 I think a lot of people would also like Arena. 06:51:14.820 --> 06:51:16.740 Need Arena in a poll? 06:51:16.740 --> 06:51:17.740 I can. 06:51:17.740 --> 06:51:19.740 I think we've done most of the... 06:51:19.740 --> 06:51:21.940 Actually, I think I've done all of these before. 06:51:21.940 --> 06:51:26.780 Actually, we have done all of these before, but we can do them again. 06:51:26.780 --> 06:51:31.780 Yes, add arenas, no open world stuff. 06:51:33.140 --> 06:51:35.740 I guess that's like, you could technically add arenas 06:51:35.740 --> 06:51:38.860 and open world stuff, but the way I think about it is like, 06:51:42.100 --> 06:51:44.500 if you're gonna add in PVP features, 06:51:44.500 --> 06:51:46.020 should they be like instanced 06:51:46.020 --> 06:51:48.220 in like a rated battleground in an arena, 06:51:48.220 --> 06:51:51.540 or should you be promoting getting people out 06:51:51.540 --> 06:51:52.380 in the open world? 06:51:52.380 --> 06:51:55.720 And like for me, I guess it's not in either or. 06:51:55.720 --> 06:51:58.180 You could out arenas and open world stuff. 06:51:58.180 --> 06:52:02.860 The problem is this, you have a PVP player base 06:52:02.860 --> 06:52:04.500 that's a finite amount of people. 06:52:04.500 --> 06:52:06.220 And if you have too many options 06:52:06.220 --> 06:52:07.500 for a finite amount of people, 06:52:07.500 --> 06:52:09.340 you're gonna have some people play arena 06:52:09.340 --> 06:52:12.260 and some people play open world and both might feel dead. 06:52:12.260 --> 06:52:14.140 So more isn't always better in the sense of like, 06:52:14.140 --> 06:52:16.340 well, just do it all, isn't always the answer. 06:52:16.340 --> 06:52:19.380 Because then you're segmenting a partition 06:52:19.380 --> 06:52:21.180 of the player base already. 06:52:21.180 --> 06:52:22.180 So instead it's like, well, no, 06:52:22.180 --> 06:52:24.660 let's funnel all of our players into open world 06:52:24.660 --> 06:52:27.140 or should we funnel all of our players into arena? 06:52:27.140 --> 06:52:28.340 But once you start mixing, 06:52:28.340 --> 06:52:30.260 it's like the player base isn't large enough 06:52:30.260 --> 06:52:31.100 to support both. 06:52:31.100 --> 06:52:34.340 So I think that's the in-depth answer to my take. 06:52:34.340 --> 06:52:36.860 Anyway, I'll just put yes at arenas 06:52:36.860 --> 06:52:40.880 or no focus on open world stuff. 06:52:45.580 --> 06:52:49.020 Which is a little bit of a bias question, I suppose, but. 06:52:54.660 --> 06:53:16.260 Oh, what the heck? 06:53:16.260 --> 06:53:18.300 I actually can't believe this poll. 06:53:18.300 --> 06:53:22.500 Like I said, the poll, it was a little bit of a, it's a bias question. 06:53:22.500 --> 06:53:27.700 Like if I just said yes or no, it probably would have been more 50-50, but I definitely 06:53:27.700 --> 06:53:30.140 very, very biased question. 06:53:30.140 --> 06:53:33.540 Maybe I've worded it wrong, but like, but that is the way I think about it, right? 06:53:33.540 --> 06:53:35.340 That is the way I think about it. 06:53:35.340 --> 06:53:42.260 Like you, you, you have a subset of the community that's like PvP enjoyers, and it's like, do 06:53:42.260 --> 06:53:46.500 you want to funnel them into an arena all day, or do you want to funnel them out in Black 06:53:46.500 --> 06:53:48.580 Rock Depths, Stringlethorne Vale? 06:53:48.580 --> 06:53:52.580 There's a subset of the players who are going to go and do this. 06:53:52.580 --> 06:53:55.100 Like, for my take is, get them out in the world, man. 06:53:55.100 --> 06:53:55.900 Go get them fighting. 06:53:55.900 --> 06:53:56.900 Go get them dueling. 06:53:56.900 --> 06:53:57.820 Add a brawler skill. 06:53:57.820 --> 06:53:58.780 Add reasons to fight. 06:53:58.780 --> 06:54:01.300 So yeah, I mean, I biased you guys. 06:54:01.300 --> 06:54:02.060 This isn't, yeah. 06:54:02.060 --> 06:54:05.140 I agree that this is an echo chamber of opinions, I suppose. 06:54:05.140 --> 06:54:07.580 But I didn't think it would be that one-sided. 06:54:07.580 --> 06:54:08.900 I definitely biased you guys on this, though. 06:54:08.900 --> 06:54:09.660 I will admit that. 06:54:15.420 --> 06:54:17.420 Because I do think a lot of people 06:54:17.420 --> 06:54:21.500 want arena except I respectfully disagree with them of course we got a 06:54:21.500 --> 06:54:24.780 $5 donor from lucky says sorry would be great to know based on the results we 06:54:24.780 --> 06:54:30.820 just got the polls here are is it retail or classic players oh you want to do a 06:54:30.820 --> 06:54:37.220 poll okay sure let's yeah yeah let's let's do a poll on if you play retail or 06:54:37.220 --> 06:54:45.900 classic mainly what do you mainly play retail or classic I'll add a third one 06:54:45.900 --> 06:54:48.240 I'm like fairly equal of both. 06:54:49.460 --> 06:54:52.940 Like, okay, look, more retail, like you know, 06:54:52.940 --> 06:54:55.300 like if you play more retail or more classic, 06:54:55.300 --> 06:54:56.140 just vote that. 06:54:56.140 --> 06:54:58.540 If you're really someone who almost splits their time 06:54:58.540 --> 06:55:00.180 down the middle, I'll have that third option. 06:55:00.180 --> 06:55:02.900 But, you know, more retail or more classic. 06:55:02.900 --> 06:55:04.340 I'll do that poll right now. 06:55:06.900 --> 06:55:08.700 And I'll do it on YouTube as well. 06:55:15.900 --> 06:55:29.860 Yeah, that's about that's not super surprising mainly classic or both but there is some retail 06:55:29.860 --> 06:55:35.400 Andes in here too, which by the way retail Andes welcome in retail Andes out there. 06:55:35.400 --> 06:55:36.860 Be honest. 06:55:36.860 --> 06:55:40.660 Are you guys going to give forever a chance? 06:55:40.660 --> 06:55:41.660 Retail Andes only. 06:55:41.660 --> 06:55:43.860 Are you guys given forever a chance here? 06:55:43.860 --> 06:55:44.860 Yeah. 06:55:44.860 --> 06:55:48.340 And that's why that's why it's like might as well might as well try it dude 06:55:49.980 --> 06:55:53.340 That the big thing that retail players might not like is this 06:55:53.860 --> 06:55:59.500 if you're a retail player and you love retail for the complexity of the rotations and 06:56:00.740 --> 06:56:08.140 You play mainly because you like how complex the classes are and like movement and like like this is what max and choice 06:56:08.140 --> 06:56:14.380 This is what mythic plusters and choice is what top-level Raiders enjoy right very complex rotations abilities movement 06:56:14.860 --> 06:56:18.220 You're probably you're probably not gonna like forever. It's just not for you 06:56:18.220 --> 06:56:23.460 You know what? I mean, and there's nothing wrong with liking those things. Those things are very I mean that was that that's the type of player 06:56:23.460 --> 06:56:26.660 I was for forever so no pun intended 06:56:34.020 --> 06:56:39.060 As a PvP enjoyer with no arenas are we supposed to just spam battlegrounds forever that sucks 06:56:39.900 --> 06:56:41.900 So they're going to talk more 06:56:42.700 --> 06:56:44.700 Actually hold on 06:56:44.860 --> 06:56:46.860 I'm sending a quick DM here. 06:57:08.140 --> 06:57:10.140 Okay, I'm sending a quick DM. 06:57:14.860 --> 06:57:23.700 I'm just gonna put that question on hold real quick, see what's going on, but I think the 06:57:23.700 --> 06:57:35.680 idea is, okay, what we've seen in the slides, goodness gracious, this is, guys, why am I... 06:57:35.680 --> 06:57:45.780 What we've read in the slides at BlizzCon is essentially that there's going to be seasonal 06:57:45.780 --> 06:57:48.780 PVP. 06:57:48.780 --> 06:57:55.100 Yeah, you did so good for months. 06:57:55.100 --> 06:57:57.540 Bro, I tried my best. 06:57:57.540 --> 06:57:59.700 This is a position that's not fun to be in. 06:57:59.700 --> 06:58:04.260 At least for everyone at Blizzard, they can't talk about it, but they're not in front of 06:58:04.260 --> 06:58:14.020 camera all day. Like it was it was brutal. It was brutal. We got a super chat. One second 06:58:14.020 --> 06:58:22.020 for that super chat. I think I think there'll be reasons to play PVP, but it won't be I'm gonna 06:58:22.020 --> 06:58:29.060 sit there and grind out RPGs or spam Q arenas for hours on end to grind a rating attached to it. 06:58:29.060 --> 06:58:38.500 It's more gonna be, I'm gonna have reasons to play PvP that are in line with classic reasons to PvP, 06:58:38.500 --> 06:58:45.620 like World PvP, like Battlegrounds, but reasons to engage in PvP in a classic way. 06:58:45.620 --> 06:58:50.020 Not, I'm trying to get my rating up because this is a competitive rating based game. 06:58:50.740 --> 06:58:56.180 I don't think they want Forever to be sweaty. I don't think they want any type of rating 06:58:56.180 --> 06:59:01.540 Added to forever. I don't think they want to add mythic plus. I don't think they want ratings and arena 06:59:01.700 --> 06:59:06.340 I don't think they want ratings and rbgs. They want to stay away from this this modern 06:59:06.820 --> 06:59:08.820 MMO design of 06:59:08.820 --> 06:59:13.220 Let me try to get my my rating up and and become a top player 06:59:13.300 --> 06:59:20.340 They want this experience of this is a casual game that we're going to play with our friends and enjoy the journey and explore the world 06:59:21.460 --> 06:59:23.460 It's a very different philosophy 06:59:23.460 --> 06:59:32.060 If a lot of people will love that and a lot of people will hate that and I think but them sticking to that is I think good 06:59:32.060 --> 06:59:33.560 You know it's like okay 06:59:33.560 --> 06:59:39.440 Well, we can't make everyone happy here if you want to grind mythic plus and you want to grind arenas then you have an option 06:59:39.780 --> 06:59:45.360 For that actually to you have TBC you have mop you've read you have many options for that, but that's not this game, right? 06:59:45.360 --> 07:00:01.360 Rank 14 is going to be based on level of effort. Yes, yep, that's right. So basically the way it works is in classic WoW. 07:00:01.360 --> 07:00:14.360 Anyway, we've covered this like three times today, but the way it works is in classic WoW, you're rewarded for, for like time spent, essentially, like that's classic WoW in a nutshell. 07:00:14.360 --> 07:00:16.920 If you prepare, you'll do well. 07:00:16.920 --> 07:00:19.160 If you don't prepare, you won't do well. 07:00:19.160 --> 07:00:24.680 If you get your prep checklist done, you'll probably do pretty well. 07:00:24.680 --> 07:00:30.360 The complexity isn't in the rotations, isn't in, you know, this and that. 07:00:30.360 --> 07:00:31.600 It's all about preparation. 07:00:31.600 --> 07:00:41.280 So I would assume that the PVP would be the same as it always sounds, but with classic. 07:00:41.280 --> 07:00:43.840 You should read the MMORPG, aggrand interview. 07:00:43.840 --> 07:00:45.440 I would love to do that. 07:00:46.720 --> 07:00:47.760 I don't know if I have the link. 07:00:47.760 --> 07:00:50.000 We got a state seller super chat from Mario saying, 07:00:50.000 --> 07:00:51.160 I'm playing Beastmaster in retail. 07:00:51.160 --> 07:00:53.640 I hope classic rotations are equally challenging. 07:00:53.640 --> 07:00:55.400 If you're a retail player 07:00:55.400 --> 07:00:56.800 and you want classic rotations 07:00:56.800 --> 07:00:58.840 to be equally challenging to retail, 07:01:00.640 --> 07:01:05.200 you probably have some bad expectations. 07:01:05.200 --> 07:01:06.400 It's not gonna be that. 07:01:07.840 --> 07:01:09.000 Probably stick to retail. 07:01:09.000 --> 07:01:10.680 And there's nothing wrong with that, right? 07:01:10.680 --> 07:01:12.240 If you're already enjoying it, just keep doing it. 07:01:12.240 --> 07:01:13.760 You know, nothing wrong with it. 07:01:13.760 --> 07:01:15.480 I got a $5 donor from Bearmicez. 07:01:15.480 --> 07:01:16.960 Hey, Sark, can you pull server preference, 07:01:16.960 --> 07:01:19.160 PvE, PvP, RP, and Hardcore? 07:01:21.160 --> 07:01:22.160 How about you just type? 07:01:22.160 --> 07:01:23.000 What are you guys gonna play? 07:01:23.000 --> 07:01:25.680 PvE, PvP, RP, or Hardcore? 07:01:25.680 --> 07:01:27.360 I'm going with PvP, by the way. 07:01:31.760 --> 07:01:32.920 A lot of PvP. 07:01:32.920 --> 07:01:35.120 Oh, it was a joke because BM hunters 07:01:35.120 --> 07:01:37.480 don't have any buttons to press on retail. 07:01:37.480 --> 07:01:38.320 Oh! 07:01:41.600 --> 07:01:43.040 Ha ha ha. 07:01:43.040 --> 07:01:44.480 True. 07:01:44.480 --> 07:01:46.160 True. 07:01:46.160 --> 07:01:47.480 We got a super chat from Snored. 07:01:47.480 --> 07:01:49.440 And he says, do you think wrath anniversary is still 07:01:49.440 --> 07:01:50.120 happening? 07:01:50.120 --> 07:01:51.960 I don't know. 07:01:51.960 --> 07:01:53.000 Authentically. 07:01:53.000 --> 07:01:54.840 Like, don't know. 07:01:54.840 --> 07:01:58.480 I asked Blizzard yesterday or two days ago, I guess, 07:01:58.480 --> 07:01:59.160 before I left. 07:01:59.160 --> 07:02:02.000 And I said, so guys, we didn't hear anything 07:02:02.000 --> 07:02:04.680 about TBC, wrath, mob, nothing. 07:02:04.680 --> 07:02:09.080 And they said they didn't have time to say anything. 07:02:09.080 --> 07:02:11.960 And that we'll find out soon. 07:02:11.960 --> 07:02:13.920 So that's what I know. 07:02:13.920 --> 07:02:15.200 I actually don't know. 07:02:15.200 --> 07:02:17.680 I am so darn curious. 07:02:17.680 --> 07:02:20.520 I don't know the right answer either, by the way. 07:02:20.520 --> 07:02:23.800 Because going to Wrath, I feel like, is free money for them. 07:02:23.800 --> 07:02:26.840 But with this product out, it also feels weirdly like, 07:02:26.840 --> 07:02:28.240 like, why? 07:02:28.240 --> 07:02:29.000 I don't know. 07:02:29.000 --> 07:02:31.560 Actually, let me ask you guys. 07:02:31.560 --> 07:02:34.160 For people that are classic TBC enjoyers, 07:02:34.160 --> 07:02:37.400 and you're excited for Wrath, but now forever got announced, 07:02:37.400 --> 07:02:40.080 what do you guys think? 07:02:40.080 --> 07:02:41.680 Like, everyone's going to be playing forever. 07:02:41.680 --> 07:02:42.680 and then Wrath comes out. 07:02:42.680 --> 07:02:44.880 Like, would you drop forever to go play Wrath? 07:02:46.580 --> 07:02:47.580 Forever, forever, forever. 07:02:47.580 --> 07:02:50.580 Like, this is, this is so, like, I'm so curious. 07:02:50.580 --> 07:02:52.760 Because Wrath is goaded, let's be honest. 07:02:52.760 --> 07:02:54.220 But we've already played it. 07:02:54.220 --> 07:02:55.840 A lot of us have at least. 07:02:55.840 --> 07:02:57.040 And forever is just an ounce. 07:02:57.040 --> 07:02:59.340 Like, is going to Wrath even like, 07:03:00.280 --> 07:03:01.840 part of the equation right now? 07:03:02.720 --> 07:03:04.740 That's why with the timing, 07:03:04.740 --> 07:03:08.160 I almost would have just liked them to go TBC into Wrath 07:03:08.160 --> 07:03:09.920 and then drop forever after. 07:03:09.920 --> 07:03:11.040 Because now it's just so awkward. 07:03:11.040 --> 07:03:19.040 Because Wrath owns, maybe you just don't do Wrath, I don't know, it's so good though. 07:03:19.040 --> 07:03:26.840 Okay, we got a $5 tip from Locary, he says, forever is giving me the chance to play with 07:03:26.840 --> 07:03:30.320 my coworker who's a tank for a mythic raiding guild that competes against other Kielton 07:03:30.320 --> 07:03:31.320 leaderboards. 07:03:31.320 --> 07:03:35.560 I applaud the fact that WoW is bringing both parties together again, yeah, this is a really 07:03:35.560 --> 07:03:36.560 good point. 07:03:36.560 --> 07:03:42.720 retail. One of the problems retail has is if you're a really good player it's kind of hard to 07:03:42.720 --> 07:03:47.760 play with your friend that's a noob. Like I actually have some friends that are not very good. I'm 07:03:47.760 --> 07:03:54.560 not going to name their names but they suck and it's tough to play retail with them because they're 07:03:54.560 --> 07:03:59.840 so bad that I can't like even carry them. That's how bad they are. No, I'm not not going to say 07:03:59.840 --> 07:04:06.400 their name. He does play Rogue, yeah. He's a streamer. But I will not... Anyway, the point is, 07:04:07.600 --> 07:04:13.120 with forever, if you have a friend, the skill gap should never be so big that you can't play 07:04:13.120 --> 07:04:18.160 together. It's like, yeah, you can play together. It should never be so hard that you can't just 07:04:18.160 --> 07:04:22.880 play with some friends. That's what I love about Classic WoW. Like, of course, if you're playing 07:04:22.880 --> 07:04:26.960 hardcore and Axe Ramus, that's different, right? But like, by and large, if you want to raid in 07:04:26.960 --> 07:04:31.440 classic you can. And yeah, I think they should stick to that. So anyway, enjoy playing with your 07:04:31.440 --> 07:04:37.600 co-worker. I got a super chat from David saying, anything added should motivate players to go out 07:04:37.600 --> 07:04:43.520 in the world and enable player interaction. I agree. Example, no arena, but player organized 07:04:43.520 --> 07:04:49.280 arenas and dueling events. I agree. That's my whole take. Exactly right. We got another super chat 07:04:49.280 --> 07:04:54.400 from a different David. He said, do you agree that they should add end game content to existing zones 07:04:54.400 --> 07:04:57.520 like pushing 60s to go to North Shire similar. 07:04:57.520 --> 07:05:00.320 Yeah, like generally, yeah, yeah, I like that. 07:05:00.320 --> 07:05:02.080 Matt with the super chat says, 07:05:02.080 --> 07:05:03.040 I'm horizontal progression, 07:05:03.040 --> 07:05:05.440 I think legacy systems is good enough for ults, 07:05:05.440 --> 07:05:08.240 but any insights into philosophy of end game progression? 07:05:09.600 --> 07:05:13.800 End game progression, I don't think needs to be overthinked. 07:05:13.800 --> 07:05:16.560 I don't think you need to start saying to yourself, 07:05:16.560 --> 07:05:19.000 okay, we need harder raids like mythic difficulty 07:05:19.000 --> 07:05:20.280 or heroic difficulty. 07:05:20.280 --> 07:05:21.800 I don't think you need to say, 07:05:21.800 --> 07:05:23.880 okay, we need something that scales infinitely 07:05:23.880 --> 07:05:29.280 like Mythic Plus. I don't think that's the case. I don't think Classic WoW needs to be 07:05:29.280 --> 07:05:35.000 focused completely on endgame. You can have a raid, you can have new raids, and then you 07:05:35.000 --> 07:05:40.280 can horizontally progress to even more raids. That's fine. The majority of people that play 07:05:40.280 --> 07:05:43.960 are going for that journey, they're going to level an alt with a friend, and they're 07:05:43.960 --> 07:05:47.400 going to have a really nice time out in the world. And when you're max level, you can 07:05:47.400 --> 07:05:52.040 raid log and enjoy that. You can PvP and enjoy that, or you can horizontally progress to 07:05:52.040 --> 07:05:56.880 enjoy new raids, but it doesn't need to be this. Oh, our end game needs to be like retail 07:05:56.880 --> 07:06:00.580 and be hyper competitive and something that scales infinitely. Cause if I don't have something 07:06:00.580 --> 07:06:04.780 to do for 14 hours today, thanks, babe, then I won't be able to ever play the game again 07:06:04.780 --> 07:06:08.380 because like I need something to fill like my entire void. It's like, well, how about 07:06:08.380 --> 07:06:11.840 you go touch some grass or level and all. Like it doesn't need to have this end game 07:06:11.840 --> 07:06:13.400 that never ends. 07:06:13.400 --> 07:06:14.240 That's the point. 07:06:20.400 --> 07:06:21.600 That's nice. 07:06:25.880 --> 07:06:28.160 David of the Superchecks says, I just wanted a Superchecks. 07:06:28.160 --> 07:06:29.240 I'm also a David. 07:06:29.240 --> 07:06:30.640 You have three different Davids left in. 07:06:35.440 --> 07:06:39.080 We had a $5 donation from Vincent. 07:06:39.080 --> 07:06:41.960 He said, I spotted you on Friday at BlizzCon. 07:06:41.960 --> 07:06:43.920 Instead of doing the normal thing by shaking your hand 07:06:43.920 --> 07:06:46.560 and saying hi, I just walked past and stared at you, 07:06:46.560 --> 07:06:47.400 like a creep. 07:06:48.760 --> 07:06:51.440 Just wanted to say you're one of the best streamers out there 07:06:51.440 --> 07:06:53.560 and even better human love the content. 07:06:53.560 --> 07:06:55.000 Yeah, no, I saw you Vincent. 07:06:55.000 --> 07:06:56.680 I know exactly who you were. 07:06:56.680 --> 07:06:58.160 I know exactly. 07:06:58.160 --> 07:06:59.800 Yeah, you were staring pretty hard. 07:06:59.800 --> 07:07:02.680 It was, I looked at you for a second and I was like, 07:07:02.680 --> 07:07:05.480 okay, this guy, anyway, no, don't worry about it, man. 07:07:07.600 --> 07:07:08.720 We can basically pretend we met 07:07:08.720 --> 07:07:12.200 I know exactly who you are. So nice, nice meeting you. And thanks to the five men. 07:07:13.360 --> 07:07:16.800 Did I meet she bae? I'm at everyone. Yeah, I'm at every single person. 07:07:29.520 --> 07:07:31.280 Except grace for days. He's the one I didn't see. 07:07:32.760 --> 07:07:34.440 Grace for days is the one person. 07:07:38.720 --> 07:07:48.200 You guys want to know how organized I am? 07:07:53.840 --> 07:07:57.360 I made a list of people I wanted to say hi to. 07:07:57.360 --> 07:07:58.920 It wasn't a complete list, 07:07:58.920 --> 07:08:03.560 but I have my own Discord server and I made a list. 07:08:03.560 --> 07:08:06.880 Grace raised is the only one I didn't get on there. 07:08:08.720 --> 07:08:15.000 And I put some exclamation points with G-Bay pops and frits for some reason 07:08:15.000 --> 07:08:17.240 I guess I was real excited typing them something 07:08:18.080 --> 07:08:20.840 Goosey top three now. There are no specific order 07:08:24.480 --> 07:08:26.960 Stoops, I think he's on there somewhere, isn't he? 07:08:28.880 --> 07:08:31.880 Yeah, he's right here. No pale pale didn't go 07:08:33.400 --> 07:08:35.400 Why is Pika on there? 07:08:35.400 --> 07:08:38.000 I just want to say hi to him for a second. 07:08:38.000 --> 07:08:41.920 Esfand, Esfand on the list, I spent a lot of time with Esfand. 07:08:41.920 --> 07:08:44.560 Soda, didn't want to see him not on the list. 07:08:58.560 --> 07:09:01.200 Shroud, I actually met Shroud, but I didn't know he was going. 07:09:05.400 --> 07:09:13.320 Annie, I knew I would see Annie, we were doing a panel together, and I knew I would see Espan 07:09:13.320 --> 07:09:14.320 too. 07:09:14.320 --> 07:09:19.520 There was like certain people that wanted to like, like ampy. 07:09:19.520 --> 07:09:22.920 I was like, I need to, if I don't see ampy, I got to hunt him down. 07:09:22.920 --> 07:09:28.520 Crazy was the only person on my list I didn't, I didn't get to see, but it's all good. 07:09:28.520 --> 07:09:35.320 Yeah, so Max, he's on the list. 07:09:35.320 --> 07:09:37.320 I'm just going to make a decision. 07:09:37.320 --> 07:10:03.240 All right, here we go. 07:10:03.240 --> 07:10:04.240 I saw a lot of artwork. 07:10:04.240 --> 07:10:06.960 It looked like the characters were wearing heirloom gear. 07:10:06.960 --> 07:10:14.500 know if they have heirloom deer. I would assume no. Now that forever is out there, 07:10:14.500 --> 07:10:18.840 can you talk a little bit more about your meetup before it all kind of talks 07:10:18.840 --> 07:10:24.360 about what you went, what you were on the loop on? We can't get into the 07:10:24.360 --> 07:10:32.340 specifics, but we can say, yeah, we went to the campus. We had some hands-on time 07:10:32.340 --> 07:10:41.380 of the game, checked it out. We talked to the devs, gave them some feedback. It was 07:10:41.380 --> 07:10:47.420 the big things. It was cool in the sense that I felt flattered. They wanted our opinions 07:10:47.420 --> 07:10:57.900 and talked to us. There was some things that like, but liked, but you know, and some things, 07:10:57.900 --> 07:11:00.540 You know, they, you know, so, but yeah, 07:11:00.540 --> 07:11:02.540 can't get into the specifics besides that. 07:11:09.460 --> 07:11:10.300 Okay. 07:11:11.580 --> 07:11:12.420 Did I meet weed elf? 07:11:12.420 --> 07:11:13.780 I did, yeah. 07:11:21.100 --> 07:11:23.220 Oh, someone said the ARC, 07:11:23.220 --> 07:11:28.220 WoW's architecture for the UI is 12.1.5, 07:11:28.740 --> 07:11:31.860 which means the add-on disarmament changes introduced 07:11:31.860 --> 07:11:33.980 in midnight are active in forever. 07:11:33.980 --> 07:11:35.380 Oh, I didn't know that. 07:11:40.380 --> 07:11:42.860 Does that mean that there's no week horrors? 07:11:46.820 --> 07:11:49.980 That's a test build, it's true, I like that. 07:11:49.980 --> 07:11:52.500 That's, I don't know. 07:11:52.500 --> 07:11:53.820 People have asked me, is there a WeCourse? 07:11:53.820 --> 07:11:55.340 And I said, of course there is, yeah. 07:11:55.340 --> 07:11:57.860 But now that you say that, yeah, maybe you're right. 07:11:57.860 --> 07:12:00.340 We'll have to hear some confirmation. 07:12:00.340 --> 07:12:01.340 That's interesting. 07:12:11.660 --> 07:12:15.460 Okay, is there any other articles or videos 07:12:15.460 --> 07:12:16.300 I haven't covered? 07:12:16.300 --> 07:12:18.260 This was like the only video I saw from like a, 07:12:18.260 --> 07:12:26.020 You know dev like a backstage. What was it dev interview? I suppose this was really good 07:12:29.220 --> 07:12:32.580 People are linking this article and this article 07:12:41.940 --> 07:12:43.940 What is that? 07:12:43.940 --> 07:12:48.540 Okay, eight new tanks we just learned about World of Warcraft forever from its lead designers. 07:12:48.540 --> 07:12:51.500 Oh, okay guys, we've got to read here. 07:12:51.500 --> 07:12:59.020 Forever won't have any wacky, classroom combos such as shaman tanks and season of discovery 07:12:59.020 --> 07:13:00.020 at lunch. 07:13:00.020 --> 07:13:02.140 Wait a minute. 07:13:02.140 --> 07:13:05.500 Didn't we theorycraft away for shamans to be tanked? 07:13:05.500 --> 07:13:06.500 Hot tanks. 07:13:20.700 --> 07:13:22.700 They said at launch. 07:13:22.700 --> 07:13:27.540 Yeah, but it seems like shamans could maybe tank 07:13:27.540 --> 07:13:32.540 if you do earth grasp with like guardian totems with like 07:13:35.500 --> 07:13:46.220 6% extra dodge with like Rockbiter weapon for threat. 07:13:46.220 --> 07:13:52.100 And then like Storm Strike and 10% stamina and gives a chance to parry enemy attacks 07:13:52.100 --> 07:13:53.100 reducing all threat. 07:13:53.100 --> 07:13:55.420 Oh, I guess you wouldn't want to reduce threat. 07:13:55.420 --> 07:14:00.540 With Storm Strike, you get extra Storm Strikes for some more threat. 07:14:00.540 --> 07:14:02.700 I guess you don't have any tank talents. 07:14:02.700 --> 07:14:08.260 Like you have mitt through dodge, but that's not gonna be enough. 07:14:08.260 --> 07:14:13.180 Like you could probably hold threat with rockbiter and urshock and storm strike, but I guess 07:14:13.180 --> 07:14:14.900 you would maybe just die. 07:14:14.900 --> 07:14:20.740 Read the parry talent, L. Gives a chance to parry enemy tax or losing all threat generated 07:14:20.740 --> 07:14:24.420 by your attacks by 30 while rockbiter weapon is not active. 07:14:24.420 --> 07:14:29.860 Oh, so yeah, once again, why would they put that there if shaman's gonna be tanks? 07:14:29.860 --> 07:14:31.980 And increases all threat generated by 30%? 07:14:31.980 --> 07:14:33.940 Yeah, okay, yeah. 07:14:33.940 --> 07:14:35.420 So why would this be there 07:14:35.420 --> 07:14:37.620 if there wasn't supposed to be a Shaman tank? 07:14:43.380 --> 07:14:44.220 No taunts. 07:14:44.220 --> 07:14:47.420 I mean, they have Stoneclaw, Urshok, 07:14:47.420 --> 07:14:49.180 insane threat with Rockfighter. 07:14:50.180 --> 07:14:51.020 They have the threat, 07:14:51.020 --> 07:14:52.660 but they don't have the tankiness yet. 07:14:52.660 --> 07:14:54.180 I think they might just die. 07:14:57.540 --> 07:14:59.580 Add a taunt quest later. 07:14:59.580 --> 07:15:01.060 Yeah, you could add a taunt quest 07:15:01.060 --> 07:15:03.320 and then like you have to add some tankiness too. 07:15:04.920 --> 07:15:06.620 Future Patch could do Shaman Tank. 07:15:06.620 --> 07:15:07.540 Yeah, they're close. 07:15:07.540 --> 07:15:10.300 Like you could basically almost get there. 07:15:14.620 --> 07:15:17.820 By the way, I didn't like a lot of what they did in Sod. 07:15:17.820 --> 07:15:19.700 One of my big points of contention 07:15:19.700 --> 07:15:22.500 was Season of Discovery was Mage Healers, 07:15:22.500 --> 07:15:25.700 Lock Tanks, Rogue Tanks. 07:15:25.700 --> 07:15:26.780 Like I didn't like all that. 07:15:26.780 --> 07:15:28.540 But one of the things I actually didn't mind 07:15:28.540 --> 07:15:29.380 was Shaman Tanks. 07:15:29.380 --> 07:15:30.380 Why? 07:15:30.380 --> 07:15:33.980 Well, Shamans, like Pallies can tank and they're on Alliance. 07:15:33.980 --> 07:15:37.180 And like Shamans are like the Horde equivalent. 07:15:37.180 --> 07:15:39.660 Like you want more tanks, and it kind of makes sense. 07:15:39.660 --> 07:15:40.860 They have a shield and they're a Shamans. 07:15:40.860 --> 07:15:42.140 Like it kind of makes sense. 07:15:42.140 --> 07:15:45.500 But now, I guess you can make a Pallie on Horde. 07:15:45.500 --> 07:15:47.020 So it balances that out. 07:15:47.020 --> 07:15:49.280 So you don't really need that in the equation. 07:15:49.280 --> 07:15:50.640 So maybe it's fine. 07:15:53.100 --> 07:15:54.540 I don't know if they added a Shaman tank, 07:15:54.540 --> 07:15:56.300 so it wouldn't bother me at least, but. 07:15:56.300 --> 07:16:01.240 Jones said that there's a lot of fun and exciting things in S.O.D. but even our design 07:16:01.240 --> 07:16:04.540 choice we made in S.O.D. when we measure them against what our pillars are for a while forever, 07:16:04.540 --> 07:16:07.860 they don't make sense in terms of the simplicity or the identity that we want for some of the 07:16:07.860 --> 07:16:11.220 classes to have. Fair enough, yeah. He continues saying the team was starting from a baseline 07:16:11.220 --> 07:16:16.020 of simplicity that's more adjacent to the classic aim than S.O.D. was. Fair enough, 07:16:16.020 --> 07:16:20.460 great. That to me says no shaman tanks or at least not super viable ones. But Jones 07:16:20.460 --> 07:16:25.220 added that the team wants to keep the conversation open with players. W. I actually like this 07:16:25.220 --> 07:16:32.100 philosophy a lot the philosophy being let's keep the game very similar to what it was in classic well 07:16:33.980 --> 07:16:36.980 But if enough people want something we can actually add it down the road 07:16:36.980 --> 07:16:42.060 I mean this this was actually my preference in a sense is like just don't do too much 07:16:42.380 --> 07:16:45.260 But be open to adding stuff, you know 07:16:45.260 --> 07:16:57.020 Shaman tanks would be so good at these new talents. Yeah, seriously, Sardocco. I was actually thinking 07:16:57.020 --> 07:17:02.260 of you from that shaman tank challenge. It looked pretty sick. Every rage year will have at least 07:17:02.260 --> 07:17:10.260 10 person option and 120 person option. What do you guys think of 10 and 20 man raids? I love it. 07:17:10.260 --> 07:17:16.080 I just love it, but I yeah, yeah, oh, I just love it 07:17:16.080 --> 07:17:21.360 Okay, a lot of you like it. I might be biasing the heck out of you guys, but I just I know 40 is cool 07:17:22.380 --> 07:17:25.220 But man, it's just nice to be able to get 10 in co 07:17:26.160 --> 07:17:28.240 You know, I just love it 07:17:30.300 --> 07:17:32.820 It costs more gold than before to train to write them out 07:17:34.380 --> 07:17:38.920 Actually asked Jones and new thoughts a question with the sky where an elves being a paywall behind a $30 purchase 07:17:38.920 --> 07:17:41.880 and whether or not we should expect more gameplay related content to be behind paywalls, 07:17:41.880 --> 07:17:46.480 they declined to comment seeing their game designers and don't make monetization decisions. 07:17:48.480 --> 07:17:55.280 Dang, yeah, which is fair enough, but Shones shared some comments briefly about wanting the effort players put into the game to matter 07:17:55.280 --> 07:18:01.200 and added that they've made design adjustments to make sure that effort is still required to obtain things like your mount. 07:18:01.200 --> 07:18:02.240 You still have to. 07:18:02.240 --> 07:18:04.600 We've readjusted the Gold cost to not be on the mount itself, 07:18:04.600 --> 07:18:08.440 but on that training so that we're not giving someone free training for a mount when they hit 07:18:08.440 --> 07:18:13.320 level 40, right? People still have to if you see someone on a mount. It's reflected that they have 07:18:13.320 --> 07:18:20.680 spent time and effort into the game. Oh, cool. So if you get the Skyborne mount or whatever, 07:18:20.680 --> 07:18:26.920 the Heroic Edition mount or whatever, you're basically getting like 20 gold for free because 07:18:26.920 --> 07:18:31.640 you see the training is going to be the 80 gold portion of it. So you're not really paying to, 07:18:31.640 --> 07:18:33.240 I mean, you're paying to win for 20 gold. 07:18:33.240 --> 07:18:34.080 Congrats. 07:18:34.080 --> 07:18:36.520 You paid 50 bucks for 20 gold or something. 07:18:36.520 --> 07:18:37.460 That's actually kind of cool. 07:18:37.460 --> 07:18:38.700 I like that. 07:18:38.700 --> 07:18:39.680 I like that. 07:18:39.680 --> 07:18:41.560 We've already talked about this like a bunch. 07:18:41.560 --> 07:18:43.400 So I don't need to mention it too more, 07:18:43.400 --> 07:18:46.720 but Skyborne being pay walled behind a purchase 07:18:46.720 --> 07:18:51.320 is really bad optics behind another way of saying 07:18:52.400 --> 07:18:56.240 the game is $15 to play with a sub. 07:18:56.240 --> 07:18:58.440 It's free to play with a sub or $15 a month. 07:18:58.440 --> 07:18:59.800 There's no box price. 07:18:59.800 --> 07:19:04.800 It's like the optics of Skyborne being paywalled is such a, 07:19:04.840 --> 07:19:08.040 it's true, but it's also such a negative way of saying 07:19:08.040 --> 07:19:10.320 there's no box price on this. 07:19:11.520 --> 07:19:14.320 You know, it's worded really bad. 07:19:14.320 --> 07:19:16.480 It's terribly worded, but it's true. 07:19:17.680 --> 07:19:19.160 But like, so if you're a hater of like, 07:19:19.160 --> 07:19:21.160 oh, I hate this paywall, it's like, well, dude, 07:19:21.160 --> 07:19:22.200 that there's no box price. 07:19:22.200 --> 07:19:25.240 We all thought there'd be a box price, including myself, 07:19:25.240 --> 07:19:26.080 right? 07:19:26.080 --> 07:19:29.760 No, the fact that there's no box price is crazy. 07:19:30.820 --> 07:19:32.920 In fact, and I already said this, 07:19:32.920 --> 07:19:35.420 if the box price was 30 bucks, 07:19:35.420 --> 07:19:36.760 I think the community reception 07:19:36.760 --> 07:19:38.420 would have been better than this. 07:19:38.420 --> 07:19:39.600 The box price is 30 bucks. 07:19:39.600 --> 07:19:42.720 People would have been like, oh, wow, it's not 60, cool. 07:19:42.720 --> 07:19:45.480 But since it's free, no box price, 07:19:45.480 --> 07:19:48.760 and there's a sky born under 30, it's like somehow worse. 07:19:48.760 --> 07:19:50.700 It's like weird, very weird. 07:19:52.600 --> 07:19:55.760 Anyway, anyway, I think we came out ahead 07:19:55.760 --> 07:19:58.060 on that front, you still need to work to summon you. 07:19:58.060 --> 07:20:00.920 Oh, so there's no summoning stones. 07:20:03.760 --> 07:20:06.300 I'm up fine with this, I'm fine with this. 07:20:07.720 --> 07:20:09.420 We think that one of these moments of downtime 07:20:09.420 --> 07:20:10.980 are important for social opportunities 07:20:10.980 --> 07:20:12.680 and people are going to talk. 07:20:12.680 --> 07:20:14.620 It's one of those choices where you look at your pillars 07:20:14.620 --> 07:20:17.000 and be like, we need to preserve that downtime. 07:20:17.000 --> 07:20:20.940 I actually think that's actually pretty cool. 07:20:20.940 --> 07:20:25.700 I like the idea of intentional pacing decisions like this. 07:20:25.700 --> 07:20:28.220 We're going to intentionally make someone walk to a boat, 07:20:28.220 --> 07:20:29.860 not port to the island. 07:20:29.860 --> 07:20:32.900 We're going to intentionally make someone, you know, 07:20:32.900 --> 07:20:34.740 someone we're not just going to like 07:20:34.740 --> 07:20:37.180 get everyone in the group quickly, right? 07:20:37.180 --> 07:20:38.300 I actually like this. 07:20:38.300 --> 07:20:41.980 It's intentional, intentionally slowing the game down. 07:20:41.980 --> 07:20:44.260 Not anymore than it was, but just as it was, 07:20:44.260 --> 07:20:45.820 or about the same as it was. 07:20:48.580 --> 07:20:50.820 Add-ons will still be restricted in a similar way 07:20:50.820 --> 07:20:52.180 to how they are in retail. 07:20:53.180 --> 07:20:54.940 Okay, so this is what we were just talking about. 07:20:54.940 --> 07:20:56.260 This is fascinating. 07:20:56.260 --> 07:20:58.780 Jones and Noothles didn't confirm specifics 07:20:58.780 --> 07:21:00.540 on how add-ons would work, 07:21:00.540 --> 07:21:02.540 but Noothles did say that the in-game 07:21:02.540 --> 07:21:04.980 or in-game combat add-on disarmament 07:21:04.980 --> 07:21:09.300 were the pro-programmatic, programmatic. 07:21:15.540 --> 07:21:17.420 Don't know if I've said that word before, 07:21:17.420 --> 07:21:18.460 still don't know how to say it. 07:21:18.460 --> 07:21:19.860 The calculations done to automate 07:21:19.860 --> 07:21:21.300 marking or communicating for players 07:21:21.300 --> 07:21:23.020 were going to bring that over 07:21:23.020 --> 07:21:24.780 so the players will not have access 07:21:24.780 --> 07:21:26.380 to those kinds of computational add-ons. 07:21:26.380 --> 07:21:28.100 So if this is the case, 07:21:30.300 --> 07:21:31.700 weak auras won't exist, 07:21:31.700 --> 07:21:34.340 but there'll be other add-ons similar to weak auras 07:21:34.340 --> 07:21:35.700 that do about the same thing, 07:21:35.700 --> 07:21:36.860 but they're a little more shanky 07:21:36.860 --> 07:21:38.740 and a little more annoying to set up. 07:21:38.740 --> 07:21:40.740 That's how it's working on retail right now. 07:21:40.740 --> 07:21:41.980 Weak auras don't exist, 07:21:41.980 --> 07:21:44.100 but a bunch of other add-ons that do the same thing 07:21:44.100 --> 07:21:48.060 do exist, but they're way more sporadic and annoying. 07:21:50.900 --> 07:21:54.420 Personally, if you can just work around it anyway, 07:21:54.420 --> 07:21:56.860 is bring weak ores back, it's easier. 07:21:57.980 --> 07:21:59.840 If you can remove them all like fair enough, 07:21:59.840 --> 07:22:02.040 but if it's just gonna be this like weird, 07:22:02.040 --> 07:22:04.680 oh, weak ores won't work, 07:22:04.680 --> 07:22:06.400 but you can do a workaround that works, 07:22:06.400 --> 07:22:09.200 it's like shanky, it's like, what's the point, man? 07:22:09.200 --> 07:22:10.880 It's like, I don't know. 07:22:10.880 --> 07:22:13.960 No one button rotation forever. 07:22:13.960 --> 07:22:14.840 This one might have been obvious 07:22:14.840 --> 07:22:17.400 for this feature won't be carrying over. 07:22:17.400 --> 07:22:20.680 I, hopefully the rotations aren't complex enough 07:22:20.680 --> 07:22:21.620 to need this. 07:22:21.620 --> 07:22:29.180 Hopefully, the rotations are just three or four buttons, maybe five, maybe six, so it's 07:22:29.180 --> 07:22:32.260 not like you're going to need something crazy, right? 07:22:32.260 --> 07:22:33.780 Oh, here we go. 07:22:33.780 --> 07:22:37.500 PvP will have a new progression system. 07:22:37.500 --> 07:22:41.540 When you fight other players in battlegrounds and complete battlegrounds and complete PvP-related 07:22:41.540 --> 07:22:43.260 content, you'll gain honor. 07:22:43.260 --> 07:22:46.860 That honor will help you progress through a ranking system, and within a season or within 07:22:46.860 --> 07:22:51.900 a patch cycle, you'll be able to get rank 14 within that patch cycle and there are awards. 07:22:51.900 --> 07:22:56.780 Oh, cool, we can talk about it. Yeah. So that's, that's what I was hinting at earlier, cosmetic 07:22:56.780 --> 07:23:01.820 rewards and as well as PvP armor that has stats on it that people will be able to obtain. We're 07:23:01.820 --> 07:23:05.980 excited for people to jump into new battlegrounds like Darkspear Islands to supplement the original 07:23:05.980 --> 07:23:10.220 vanilla battlegrounds that people will be able to jump into. I think we want the opportunity 07:23:10.220 --> 07:23:14.700 for PvP players to feel rewarded and feel like there's real progression tracks. Okay. So essentially 07:23:14.700 --> 07:23:20.540 what it is is either it's going to be titles, there's going to be patch cycles where you 07:23:20.540 --> 07:23:26.060 play, you get to rank 14, you get all your cool gear, but then there's going to be a 07:23:26.060 --> 07:23:30.140 reason to do it again and again and again and again instead of just hitting rank 14 07:23:30.140 --> 07:23:37.300 once and being AFK for the rest of time. So there's that. I can't, yeah, so they didn't 07:23:37.300 --> 07:23:43.740 talk about this at all at BlizzCon, but it's in this interview, so cool. No rating correct. 07:23:43.740 --> 07:23:49.300 They want to stick to no rating and PVE, no mythic plus, no rating systems, period. 07:23:49.300 --> 07:23:54.180 Which we talked about in depth 30 minutes ago, if you want to check out the VOD. 07:23:54.180 --> 07:23:56.620 Which is intentional. 07:23:56.620 --> 07:24:06.700 Okay, cool, there's that. 07:24:06.700 --> 07:24:10.700 Foreverers have bold promised to players that a safe space to invest their time. 07:24:10.700 --> 07:24:11.700 Yes! 07:24:11.700 --> 07:24:13.020 Is there something about forever? 07:24:13.020 --> 07:24:15.020 Okay, so 07:24:15.260 --> 07:24:19.820 When you look at how people play classic versions of our game before there's always the afterthought of what happens to my characters 07:24:19.820 --> 07:24:22.340 What am I investing all this time into when it comes to an end? 07:24:22.380 --> 07:24:27.940 That's what seasonal or another expansion will come along the way the beauty of wow forever is that we have 60 cap 07:24:27.940 --> 07:24:30.740 We're gonna continue to build content horizontally for players 07:24:30.860 --> 07:24:36.340 We have things like the legacy system to encourage for all's we're gonna continue to build content for every aspect of the game 07:24:36.340 --> 07:24:42.780 The forever is really a promise of this is a safe place to make a character where everything that you invest your time in will matter forever 07:24:43.020 --> 07:24:51.320 That's the biggest possible W of the weekend right there right there is the biggest thing ever man. Oh my gosh. Oh 07:24:52.780 --> 07:24:54.780 My gosh 07:24:55.500 --> 07:24:58.100 There it is there it is there it is 07:25:00.580 --> 07:25:02.580 Sick 07:25:03.060 --> 07:25:09.660 Dench what no arena guys like I know there's a lot of back and forth about the arena thing I 07:25:09.660 --> 07:25:17.100 I see it from both sides because I used to be the player where there was nothing I wanted to do in WoW 07:25:17.100 --> 07:25:27.060 besides sit there in Q Arena all day because it was the best thing ever. That was my life for over 10 years, 15, close to 20. 07:25:27.060 --> 07:25:33.660 Like that would be, bro, come on, like you're telling me, like are you kidding me? Yeah, that is literally what I did for 15 plus years, right? 07:25:33.660 --> 07:25:38.660 if that's what you want, it's not in this game. 07:25:39.340 --> 07:25:41.300 Like you go play TVC, you go play Rath, 07:25:41.300 --> 07:25:45.900 you go play retail, like that's not a classic wow. 07:25:45.900 --> 07:25:50.900 It never was, that's just not the offerings here. 07:25:51.060 --> 07:25:52.700 So like, I don't know what else to say. 07:25:52.700 --> 07:25:55.060 Like if you're that person, it sucks. 07:25:55.060 --> 07:25:57.020 I know, because I was that guy. 07:25:57.020 --> 07:25:59.140 If you're that person who only wants to sit there 07:25:59.140 --> 07:26:01.060 and queue arena, it's not that game. 07:26:01.060 --> 07:26:02.660 And it sucks, it sucks to say. 07:26:02.660 --> 07:26:07.660 like, it's not for you, and it is what it is, you know, it's not for you. 07:26:07.660 --> 07:26:11.660 They will add it a hundred percent, hey, maybe down the road, maybe down the road, you know, 07:26:11.660 --> 07:26:15.660 they said they're going to listen to players if enough players want to, maybe they'll add it down the road, who knows. 07:26:17.660 --> 07:26:21.660 But there is games like that, that's right, lots of games like that. 07:26:21.660 --> 07:26:28.660 Okay, cool interview, very good interview, like lots of stuff we actually didn't know from the panels in this interview, 07:26:28.660 --> 07:26:32.820 interview, so we will link that as well. 07:26:36.580 --> 07:26:38.780 It doesn't suck to say it's kind of a relief. 07:26:38.780 --> 07:26:40.100 Well, it's a relief if you don't care, 07:26:40.100 --> 07:26:42.980 but it sucks if you're a PvP player. 07:26:42.980 --> 07:26:44.060 Hey, Cidoo's in the chat. 07:26:44.060 --> 07:26:45.740 Cidoo, bro, you were one of the people 07:26:45.740 --> 07:26:48.900 I really wanted to see at BlizzCon that you couldn't make it 07:26:48.900 --> 07:26:51.940 this year, which anyway, I missed you there a lot. 07:26:51.940 --> 07:26:56.220 I missed you there at the condo. 07:26:56.220 --> 07:26:57.060 It was a good time. 07:26:57.060 --> 07:27:07.980 time. Okay, there's that. There is that. There is that. What else? Is there any other interviews? 07:27:07.980 --> 07:27:14.600 There was someone linked this which I guess just Oh, here we go. BlizzCon 2026 interview 07:27:14.600 --> 07:27:24.220 chatting with my forever's campsites where it's all prog and more with Blizzard. Okay. 07:27:24.220 --> 07:27:25.220 Has anyone read this? 07:27:25.220 --> 07:27:27.220 Is there a new info or is it just summing up? 07:27:27.220 --> 07:27:30.220 Yeah, maybe this is good. 07:27:30.220 --> 07:27:36.720 Yeah, I got to meet Pops, who's great. 07:27:36.720 --> 07:27:41.220 There's some new info, same info. 07:27:41.220 --> 07:27:44.220 Okay. 07:27:44.220 --> 07:27:48.220 Pika roasting me into oblivion. 07:27:48.220 --> 07:27:53.220 You know, I went out to dinner with Zahar afterwards, and he actually bought the meal, 07:27:53.220 --> 07:27:58.940 meal because he said it was such a big weekend and he tried to invite his main YouTube editor 07:27:58.940 --> 07:28:07.180 and okay hold on from peekaboo lost his voice this is how I sounded yesterday I sounded just 07:28:07.180 --> 07:28:11.140 like that yesterday I could think I didn't stream yesterday because he was my voice is a little 07:28:11.140 --> 07:28:18.660 better today but guys at the okay look at blizzcon peekaboo might have been doing some other stuff 07:28:18.660 --> 07:28:24.500 to you. I don't know. That's not the point. That's not the point. The point is at BlizzCon, 07:28:24.500 --> 07:28:32.820 there's really loud music everywhere. Okay. Very, very loud music everywhere, especially 07:28:32.820 --> 07:28:39.780 in a Hilton, the Sheraton lobbies and at the con itself. So if you if you talk to anyone, 07:28:39.780 --> 07:28:44.380 you have to be screaming for them to hear you. You have to raise your voice very loud 07:28:44.380 --> 07:28:46.000 for them to hear you. 07:28:46.000 --> 07:28:47.100 Okay? 07:28:47.100 --> 07:28:50.020 And so everyone's yelling for the whole weekend. 07:28:50.020 --> 07:28:52.260 And anyway, everyone that went to, 07:28:52.260 --> 07:28:53.540 oh yeah, if you've gone to concerts, 07:28:53.540 --> 07:28:54.400 it's probably the same thing. 07:28:54.400 --> 07:28:55.860 I actually haven't really been to concerts, 07:28:55.860 --> 07:28:58.180 but it's probably a very common thing in concerts. 07:28:58.180 --> 07:29:01.340 Anyway, everyone that went to Blue Scone sounds like this. 07:29:01.340 --> 07:29:04.380 If you were yelling all the time. 07:29:04.380 --> 07:29:08.460 His short editor, he invited his short editor to dinner 07:29:08.460 --> 07:29:11.020 and he said, no, he doesn't wanna go. 07:29:11.020 --> 07:29:20.880 Oh my god guys Zars main shorts editor is Taylor in the chat 07:29:21.520 --> 07:29:27.180 Taylor's day that's him and his first response like no, I'm not gonna get a dinner and then he's like 07:29:27.500 --> 07:29:33.220 Yeah, I came to BlizzCon and I've just been kind of like hanging out around because I didn't say anything to you 07:29:33.220 --> 07:29:36.660 I didn't say anything to Zars because I just like I don't know 07:29:36.660 --> 07:29:38.840 I don't like bother you guys and then you know 07:29:38.840 --> 07:29:41.360 I saw a bunch of other people, but I didn't like say anything 07:29:41.360 --> 07:29:42.520 because I don't want to bother them. 07:29:42.520 --> 07:29:45.720 And I'm thinking like, what is this guy talking about? 07:29:45.720 --> 07:29:47.360 Like, what do you mean? 07:29:47.360 --> 07:29:50.560 You've been here at PlissCon the whole time. 07:29:50.560 --> 07:29:51.480 Oh my God. 07:29:51.480 --> 07:29:54.080 Yeah, Taylor, Taylor's like that kind of guy. 07:29:54.080 --> 07:29:55.560 He's like too nice. 07:29:55.560 --> 07:29:57.080 You know, we didn't want to bother Pico and I 07:29:57.080 --> 07:29:58.480 to the point where I was like, hey, 07:29:58.480 --> 07:29:59.760 do you want to grab dinner? 07:29:59.760 --> 07:30:01.800 And he's like, like with Pico and I. 07:30:01.800 --> 07:30:05.080 And he's like, he's like, well, I don't know. 07:30:05.080 --> 07:30:09.120 to meet like, like, no, like, I might just head back. 07:30:09.120 --> 07:30:14.040 And I was like, Taylor, like, we're getting dinner, man. 07:30:14.040 --> 07:30:16.600 And then we were at dinner and then, 07:30:16.600 --> 07:30:21.200 and then Taylor orders a salad instead of a steak. 07:30:21.200 --> 07:30:23.920 I mean, we took him to a steakhouse and I was like, 07:30:23.920 --> 07:30:26.440 Taylor, the steak's on me, like, get whatever you want. 07:30:26.440 --> 07:30:29.120 And he's like, no, let's get a salad. 07:30:29.120 --> 07:30:30.920 And then we had to like, force him to order a steak. 07:30:30.920 --> 07:30:32.440 And he likes steak, I eat steak. 07:30:32.440 --> 07:30:34.200 It's not like he's like a vegetarian or something. 07:30:34.200 --> 07:30:38.600 He like wanted this like but he was trying to be nice. I was at Taylor like we're locking it. We're getting the steak, bro 07:30:38.640 --> 07:30:40.640 It's on me. We're getting the steak 07:30:41.120 --> 07:30:43.120 You know what I mean? 07:30:43.240 --> 07:30:46.400 Anyway, Taylor. I love you, bro 07:30:47.800 --> 07:30:49.800 There we go 07:30:49.800 --> 07:30:51.300 There we go 07:30:51.300 --> 07:30:53.300 There we go 07:30:53.800 --> 07:30:56.180 Chat yeah chat loves Taylor W. Taylor 07:30:57.640 --> 07:30:59.640 All right, um 07:30:59.640 --> 07:31:15.120 what else? What else? What else? Oh yeah, Pika was telling you guys that I got a salad 07:31:15.120 --> 07:31:22.900 apparently at dinner. I just wanted to clarify that yes, I indeed did get a salad in addition 07:31:22.900 --> 07:31:27.440 to my steak. I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't know why Pika's mentioning 07:31:27.440 --> 07:31:32.320 it like it's a crazy thing. I got a steak and a salad. It's not a big deal at all. 07:31:32.960 --> 07:31:37.600 I guess I got I ate my salad first and ate my steak. I don't I don't understand why that's 07:31:38.640 --> 07:31:45.200 he said you didn't eat for 30 hours. I did uh I didn't really have time to eat at the event. 07:31:45.200 --> 07:31:50.160 So I just did like like omad just one meal a day kind of a thing. I just ate like a big dinner 07:31:52.720 --> 07:31:55.520 and uh it's pretty much what we sent. 07:31:57.440 --> 07:32:02.680 Eat your greens. It's good. Yeah, I know. I don't know why Pika thought it was a big deal to eat a salad 07:32:02.680 --> 07:32:05.960 I maybe maybe it's a big deal for Pika to eat a salad. I have no idea 07:32:10.360 --> 07:32:17.580 Does Pika eat vegetables tell the truth no no absolutely not I didn't see peekaboo eat a single vegetable all weekend 07:32:17.580 --> 07:32:21.320 Actually, he might have had like one asparagus one stick of a spare. Yeah 07:32:22.040 --> 07:32:24.240 No, no, actually, I don't even think he ate that 07:32:24.240 --> 07:32:30.960 No, no, the only thing I saw Pika eat all weekend long was steak. That was literally it. Oh 07:32:32.380 --> 07:32:34.880 Mashed potatoes, he eats some mashed potatoes and steak 07:32:36.500 --> 07:32:39.740 Yeah, mashed potatoes and steak was Pika Boos diet, nothing else 07:32:42.440 --> 07:32:44.440 Yeah 07:32:44.440 --> 07:32:56.000 Pika lost his voice. Dude, everyone at BlizzCon lost their voice if you're talking. It was 07:32:56.000 --> 07:33:02.980 dude. It was a wild weekend. I might go so far as to say that was the wildest weekend 07:33:02.980 --> 07:33:14.280 of my life. I think it was. That was the wildest weekend of my life. It was nuts. It was nuts. 07:33:14.280 --> 07:33:22.680 real? Yeah, absolutely. That's sad. Why? What? We're sick. What do you mean? What do you mean sad? 07:33:31.720 --> 07:33:39.240 Bro, as a kid and got married, I said wildest, not best. Very, very different. Our wedding wasn't 07:33:39.240 --> 07:33:49.160 wild our wedding was very like like tame calm very nice very very like the 07:33:49.160 --> 07:33:56.760 weekend this weekend was wild wild 07:33:56.760 --> 07:34:01.840 as ours first bender nod I'm not a big what does bender mean drinking not a big 07:34:01.840 --> 07:34:08.200 drinker I do shots with as fan the bro as fanned win so hard this weekend this 07:34:08.200 --> 07:34:19.620 This guy literally throws his own party, everyone shows up, he streams the party to like midnight 07:34:19.620 --> 07:34:25.240 or two or three, doesn't go to bed till three or four, we had a call time at seven so we 07:34:25.240 --> 07:34:30.400 got up at like six or he slept for like two, three hours then streamed for 15 hours the 07:34:30.400 --> 07:34:31.400 next day. 07:34:31.400 --> 07:34:37.540 Bro, as fan is like this guy is living on Red Bulls or something like he was ridiculous. 07:34:37.540 --> 07:34:40.380 I don't even know he was zonked out. 07:34:40.380 --> 07:34:41.980 Yeah, completely crazy. 07:34:45.120 --> 07:34:48.580 Yeah, I mean, I slept like the first night, probably five hours, 07:34:48.580 --> 07:34:51.340 second night, six or seven, third night, six or seven. 07:34:51.340 --> 07:34:53.480 And I felt pretty OK. 07:34:53.480 --> 07:34:56.380 I was tired, but I felt like, you know, as fans, 07:34:56.380 --> 07:34:59.980 stuff like one hour, that first couple hours here and there's like, brah. 07:35:03.120 --> 07:35:05.340 I actually got in a workout at the at the con. 07:35:05.340 --> 07:35:07.940 So shout out to the guy that I met in the gym. 07:35:07.940 --> 07:35:09.940 We took a photo together. 07:35:09.940 --> 07:35:12.840 So that's what's up. 07:35:12.840 --> 07:35:14.040 That was cool. What else? 07:35:14.040 --> 07:35:14.940 What else happened? 07:35:14.940 --> 07:35:16.640 I guess I haven't even done too much story time. 07:35:16.640 --> 07:35:18.440 We've been yapping all day about the con, 07:35:18.440 --> 07:35:22.040 but I haven't actually told you guys about the con. 07:35:22.040 --> 07:35:23.140 You guys have any questions? 07:35:23.140 --> 07:35:24.740 Like, I don't I don't know. 07:35:24.740 --> 07:35:25.240 What else? 07:35:25.240 --> 07:35:27.740 Peek-a-boo, tin and eat salads. 07:35:27.740 --> 07:35:28.640 We saw Fritz there. 07:35:28.640 --> 07:35:29.540 That was fun. 07:35:29.540 --> 07:35:33.140 Went out to dinner with Fritz. 07:35:33.140 --> 07:35:36.620 I got to meet literally hundreds of you guys, which was the 07:35:36.620 --> 07:35:37.580 sickest thing ever. 07:35:38.420 --> 07:35:40.340 Um, tell us about the after parties. 07:35:40.940 --> 07:35:45.020 Uh, day one, there was, uh, Blizzard party, which was very 07:35:45.020 --> 07:35:47.000 chill, just a couple hundred people. 07:35:47.000 --> 07:35:50.600 Cause it was like just Blizzard creators and stuff. 07:35:50.600 --> 07:35:52.540 And that was actually very chill, very fun. 07:35:53.020 --> 07:35:54.560 Got to talk to Chee Bay. 07:35:54.560 --> 07:35:55.740 We met Chee Bay there. 07:35:55.740 --> 07:35:56.460 It was great. 07:35:56.460 --> 07:35:58.140 Chee Bay meeting Chee Bay was awesome. 07:35:58.460 --> 07:36:01.840 He is just like how he was in person, uh, on the internet. 07:36:01.840 --> 07:36:03.440 Like he's great. 07:36:03.440 --> 07:36:05.920 I met like pretty much every streamer and stuff there. 07:36:05.920 --> 07:36:08.080 Peekaboo didn't make it to that party 07:36:08.080 --> 07:36:11.700 cause there wasn't a lot of alcohol. 07:36:18.200 --> 07:36:23.200 Don't know why that's a factor, but I don't know. 07:36:24.000 --> 07:36:26.940 Anyway, Peekaboo decided that it wasn't for him. 07:36:26.940 --> 07:36:36.380 Then everyone went to Esfans party first night, Esfans party, Esfans party was too, like, dude, 07:36:36.380 --> 07:36:42.020 it went like, there was so many people there, like too many people there, like this room 07:36:42.020 --> 07:36:50.060 was just packed, it was crazy, like music, drinks packed, packed, packed, packed, very 07:36:50.060 --> 07:36:54.340 full and then I didn't make it, there was another party, I didn't make it to that, I 07:36:54.340 --> 07:37:01.060 bed. It was like midnight. So that was time to call cheese for me. Then we woke up, streamed 07:37:01.060 --> 07:37:05.780 all day the next day. That's the announcement day. That night we got dinner with Pika and 07:37:05.780 --> 07:37:14.700 Fritz and a bunch of people from OnlyFans, OnlyFangs and Ozzy Falls. We got dinner with 07:37:14.700 --> 07:37:16.940 Weed Elf, Ozzy Falls. 07:37:18.940 --> 07:37:20.340 Who else was there? 07:37:20.340 --> 07:37:21.940 It's a massive table of people. 07:37:26.980 --> 07:37:30.340 Fritz, was Sardako there, I think? 07:37:33.500 --> 07:37:34.780 Sardako was there the first time. 07:37:34.780 --> 07:37:35.740 I don't know if he was there the second. 07:37:35.740 --> 07:37:36.980 Man, I'm forgetting. 07:37:36.980 --> 07:37:38.340 Anyway, it was fun. 07:37:38.340 --> 07:37:39.180 It was fun. 07:37:39.180 --> 07:37:40.000 It was cool. 07:37:40.000 --> 07:37:42.100 So everyone got some good food. 07:37:42.100 --> 07:37:46.780 After that, went to bed, next day worked out, 07:37:46.780 --> 07:37:50.420 streamed the whole day, got dinner with Pika 07:37:50.420 --> 07:37:53.700 and my YouTube editors, and then we sent it off 07:37:53.700 --> 07:37:55.200 the next morning, it was quick. 07:37:57.780 --> 07:37:59.220 Very, very, very fast. 07:38:00.340 --> 07:38:02.140 Is Sardako as bald IRL? 07:38:02.140 --> 07:38:03.540 I mean, he's bald, man. 07:38:03.540 --> 07:38:06.940 Like, I don't think, I don't know why you need to mention 07:38:06.940 --> 07:38:09.100 that, he's bald, like, dude. 07:38:09.100 --> 07:38:12.100 Wow, all right. 07:38:12.100 --> 07:38:18.100 Did I meet Pops? 07:38:18.100 --> 07:38:19.100 Yes, Pops was awesome. 07:38:19.100 --> 07:38:21.100 It was legendary to meet Pops. 07:38:21.100 --> 07:38:22.100 Rackula? 07:38:22.100 --> 07:38:23.100 I met Rackula, yeah. 07:38:23.100 --> 07:38:25.100 Did I meet Nobble? 07:38:25.100 --> 07:38:27.100 I don't know if I did. 07:38:27.100 --> 07:38:29.100 I don't think so. 07:38:29.100 --> 07:38:31.100 Shortest male streamer? 07:38:31.100 --> 07:38:33.100 Tyler won by a mile. 07:38:33.100 --> 07:38:34.100 And then me. 07:38:34.100 --> 07:38:35.100 Well, no. 07:38:35.100 --> 07:38:37.100 Yeah, well, yeah, probably. 07:38:37.100 --> 07:38:39.100 Tyler won by a mile. It's all you need to know 07:38:43.180 --> 07:38:45.180 Yeah, I 07:38:48.180 --> 07:38:50.620 Saw you an Annie stream. Yeah, we were hanging out with Annie a lot 07:38:52.180 --> 07:38:54.180 Annie 07:38:54.620 --> 07:38:56.380 as fan 07:38:56.380 --> 07:38:58.380 Pika 07:38:58.780 --> 07:39:00.780 It's kind of like the crew, you know 07:39:01.380 --> 07:39:05.300 Kind of like last year at gamescom same type of thing is cool. It's cool 07:39:07.100 --> 07:39:12.100 Tyler won a 6-5. He measured on a stream. I mean, that sounds legit. 07:39:12.100 --> 07:39:18.100 Is G-Bay really 6-5? Yeah, G-Bay's really 6-5. He's very tall. 07:39:18.100 --> 07:39:22.100 Jimmy. Oh, I met Jimmy. Jimmy was rad. Jimmy was cool. 07:39:24.100 --> 07:39:25.100 I feel like... 07:39:28.100 --> 07:39:32.100 Yeah, the thing about me is I don't know how to speak. 07:39:32.100 --> 07:39:36.100 I'm not the person who's very good in, like, 07:39:38.100 --> 07:39:40.340 large social interactions. 07:39:42.260 --> 07:39:47.260 I like one-on-one conversations over a long period of time. 07:39:48.740 --> 07:39:53.740 Like I like to just chat with one person, like for hours. 07:39:55.820 --> 07:40:00.140 No, it's not, no, no, it's, it's no, Nikai's, no, it's not, 07:40:00.140 --> 07:40:04.860 no, no, it's not, I'm, look, it's just my personality type. 07:40:04.860 --> 07:40:06.500 And what I'm trying to say is, 07:40:06.500 --> 07:40:10.940 I would love to chat with G-Bay one-on-one for like hours 07:40:10.940 --> 07:40:13.420 or like Jimmy, like every person I met, like Jimmy 07:40:13.420 --> 07:40:16.660 would be great to chat in a quiet room for hours. 07:40:16.660 --> 07:40:18.140 Here's the thing, this is the thing 07:40:18.140 --> 07:40:20.020 they don't tell you about parties. 07:40:20.020 --> 07:40:22.140 You can't actually talk to people 07:40:22.140 --> 07:40:25.100 because the music is loud and there's so many other people 07:40:25.100 --> 07:40:27.820 that you can really only say hi to each person. 07:40:27.820 --> 07:40:29.340 But if you can only say hi to each person 07:40:29.340 --> 07:40:31.540 then are you really even talking to anyone? 07:40:32.780 --> 07:40:35.740 Whereas if you're sitting in a room that's quiet 07:40:35.740 --> 07:40:39.940 and you can just chat, maybe you sip some tea or some coffee 07:40:39.940 --> 07:40:42.940 and you're just like one-on-one for hours. 07:40:42.940 --> 07:40:44.540 Am I crazy here? 07:40:44.540 --> 07:40:45.820 Is this just me? 07:40:45.820 --> 07:40:47.980 I'm just saying, I feel like every person 07:40:47.980 --> 07:40:49.660 I met at the con this weekend, 07:40:49.660 --> 07:40:52.080 I would love to just sit alone in a room with, 07:40:52.080 --> 07:40:54.180 no, not alone, and it would be one, 07:40:55.940 --> 07:41:00.100 I would like to one-on-one chat with them solo. 07:41:00.980 --> 07:41:03.420 Is what I'm trying to say, like pops. 07:41:03.420 --> 07:41:10.700 Like, I could probably have like a three hour conversation with Pops, Max, same thing. 07:41:10.700 --> 07:41:11.700 Like Van Rookie. 07:41:11.700 --> 07:41:14.020 Like everyone on my list I wanted to like chat with. 07:41:14.020 --> 07:41:18.020 I feel like all I really got to say was like, hey, how are you? 07:41:18.020 --> 07:41:19.020 Good. 07:41:19.020 --> 07:41:20.020 How's your con? 07:41:20.020 --> 07:41:21.020 Good. 07:41:21.020 --> 07:41:25.860 And then like, you know, then something, you know, then we had to go somewhere or something. 07:41:25.860 --> 07:41:32.500 But yeah, I like, like, like long walks on the beach, you know, like a hike or like a 07:41:32.500 --> 07:41:35.020 like a long walk, like a slow pace, 07:41:35.020 --> 07:41:37.820 so you can just have this deep conversation. 07:41:37.820 --> 07:41:42.300 And don't really, it's like hard to like talk to someone 07:41:42.300 --> 07:41:44.300 in like a setting with loud music. 07:41:44.300 --> 07:41:45.140 Does that make sense? 07:41:45.140 --> 07:41:46.060 Am I right here? 07:41:46.060 --> 07:41:47.740 Am I right here, guys? 07:41:47.740 --> 07:41:49.740 Hopefully, hopefully, guys know what I'm saying. 07:41:52.660 --> 07:41:53.480 Yeah. 07:41:53.480 --> 07:42:02.520 Um, you see a little gup was trying to make your mug. 07:42:02.520 --> 07:42:07.600 Oh, speaking of my mug. 07:42:07.600 --> 07:42:15.880 Some of you guys saw this on some streams, maybe, and I will do an update later. 07:42:15.880 --> 07:42:20.880 Someone named Frugo made me an IRL bronze, 07:42:21.820 --> 07:42:26.820 I think bronze statue of my WoW character. 07:42:27.800 --> 07:42:29.000 This is my, this is my main. 07:42:29.000 --> 07:42:29.840 This is my like, 07:42:29.840 --> 07:42:32.340 a lot of you that watch me recently don't know this character. 07:42:32.340 --> 07:42:34.640 This is my like 20 time rank one mage. 07:42:34.640 --> 07:42:37.820 This is like my guy I spent most of my life developing. 07:42:37.820 --> 07:42:40.840 He made me an IRL bronze statue that's like this big 07:42:41.800 --> 07:42:42.640 and he's shipping it to me. 07:42:42.640 --> 07:42:43.800 I saw it, he brought up the BlizzCon 07:42:43.800 --> 07:42:44.800 so I could check it out. 07:42:44.800 --> 07:42:45.920 I'm gonna put it right back there. 07:42:45.920 --> 07:42:49.000 It is so cool if you guys saw it. 07:42:49.000 --> 07:42:50.400 It might have been on Esfan's stream 07:42:50.400 --> 07:42:51.240 if you guys were watching 07:42:51.240 --> 07:42:53.280 or maybe some other people's streams, maybe Annie's. 07:42:53.280 --> 07:42:54.120 I saw it. 07:42:54.120 --> 07:42:56.520 Yes, if you guys saw it, it was so cool. 07:42:56.520 --> 07:42:59.960 Like way cooler in person than I could have ever thought. 07:42:59.960 --> 07:43:01.080 I can't wait to show you guys, 07:43:01.080 --> 07:43:03.480 but it should be here later in the week. 07:43:03.480 --> 07:43:05.080 He said he mailed it. 07:43:05.080 --> 07:43:05.920 I don't have it. 07:43:05.920 --> 07:43:06.760 I don't have it. 07:43:06.760 --> 07:43:07.680 He's mailing it to me. 07:43:09.080 --> 07:43:10.840 He posted a picture on Discord. 07:43:10.840 --> 07:43:14.840 Um, do you have the pic, Gabby? 07:43:20.200 --> 07:43:21.600 You know, Gabby, if you can send it to me. 07:43:31.400 --> 07:43:35.720 Anyway, the thing is the picture doesn't do it justice because like, 07:43:35.760 --> 07:43:39.040 I kind of knew what it would look like, but it's just like bigger in person, 07:43:39.040 --> 07:43:40.320 which was like really nice. 07:43:40.320 --> 07:43:44.040 is like really heavy, like really quality. 07:43:44.040 --> 07:43:46.000 And anyway, I'll tell you guys, 07:43:46.000 --> 07:43:48.200 I'll show you guys more of that like when, 07:43:48.200 --> 07:43:49.340 when it actually gets here, 07:43:49.340 --> 07:43:51.000 but it was, it was so cool, man. 07:43:51.000 --> 07:43:52.260 So that was, that was a big highlight. 07:43:52.260 --> 07:43:53.960 Like this character means so much to me 07:43:53.960 --> 07:43:56.360 cause I spent so much of my life, 07:43:56.360 --> 07:43:58.640 like on this character, you know, 07:43:58.640 --> 07:44:01.600 like 15 years on this character or something like long time. 07:44:01.600 --> 07:44:04.840 So to actually like have that permanent, 07:44:04.840 --> 07:44:09.840 like physical, like bronze statue of it is like 07:44:09.840 --> 07:44:12.240 It's like just the cool, you know, it's really cool, man. 07:44:12.240 --> 07:44:13.080 It's really cool. 07:44:13.080 --> 07:44:15.640 I'll show it to you guys when it gets here in the mail. 07:44:18.480 --> 07:44:19.440 What's my slosh plate? 07:44:19.440 --> 07:44:21.560 It's only a couple hundred days. 07:44:30.640 --> 07:44:32.600 Okay, so this is it. 07:44:32.600 --> 07:44:35.640 Oh, that actually does look pretty cool in the picture too. 07:44:35.640 --> 07:44:37.200 Like look how big this is. 07:44:37.200 --> 07:44:40.060 Like, I'm a pretty big guy. 07:44:40.060 --> 07:44:41.820 I'm like six, five. 07:44:41.820 --> 07:44:44.580 And so think about how big this is. 07:44:44.580 --> 07:44:46.980 Yeah, and it's even cooler in person. 07:44:46.980 --> 07:44:48.620 And it's way cooler in person. 07:44:49.620 --> 07:44:51.180 Okay, now we're like zooming into my face, 07:44:51.180 --> 07:44:53.780 but I just wanted to show you guys the details on it. 07:44:56.900 --> 07:45:00.060 It's my same exact transmog from my favorite transmog. 07:45:00.060 --> 07:45:01.380 I always use it on retail. 07:45:01.380 --> 07:45:03.500 My scythe, it has the scythe, you know? 07:45:03.500 --> 07:45:05.180 It's the same weapons, same mugs, same everything. 07:45:05.180 --> 07:45:06.460 All my favorite stuff. 07:45:06.460 --> 07:45:10.260 And there's under the feet, it's a beach. 07:45:10.260 --> 07:45:12.380 And you might think it's sand and some rocks, 07:45:12.380 --> 07:45:13.860 like a little beach, you know? 07:45:13.860 --> 07:45:15.860 And you might think, why is there a beach? 07:45:15.860 --> 07:45:20.700 And when I decided to retire from PVP, 07:45:20.700 --> 07:45:24.860 I logged out my main on a beach for retirement. 07:45:24.860 --> 07:45:26.860 And that was like, what, four years ago? 07:45:26.860 --> 07:45:28.340 And he's still there today. 07:45:28.340 --> 07:45:33.340 And I have him logged out there to rest, you know? 07:45:33.540 --> 07:45:36.100 Anyway, it's my same log on a beach on my main. 07:45:36.100 --> 07:45:38.980 Anyway, it means a lot, but I'll show you guys, 07:45:38.980 --> 07:45:41.380 I'll show you guys when it comes in the mail. 07:45:42.780 --> 07:45:44.060 Very, very darn cool. 07:45:46.900 --> 07:45:49.740 Oh, here, there's another photo too. 07:45:49.740 --> 07:45:52.020 I didn't even see this one. 07:45:52.020 --> 07:45:54.660 This, you, so this doesn't show you the scale. 07:45:54.660 --> 07:45:55.980 Like I feel like it looks smaller here. 07:45:55.980 --> 07:45:58.680 It's like massive, but you can see the detailing. 07:45:59.700 --> 07:46:02.740 Yeah, you can see the detailing on this one, 07:46:02.740 --> 07:46:05.660 but it doesn't, you can't really see the scale as much, 07:46:05.660 --> 07:46:10.680 But like the belt, you know, like the details on the belts and like the shoulders, like 07:46:10.680 --> 07:46:12.640 it's, it's so cool, bro. 07:46:12.680 --> 07:46:15.920 Like I don't, like the thing is, I don't even nerd out on stuff like this, but like 07:46:15.920 --> 07:46:20.720 for me, it's more about what it means, you know, it's like such a big deal of what it means. 07:46:20.720 --> 07:46:21.720 Anyway, I'll get in the mail. 07:46:21.720 --> 07:46:23.160 I'll show you guys in person when it comes in. 07:46:23.880 --> 07:46:24.520 Stoked about it. 07:46:26.120 --> 07:46:27.360 Looks like Sardocco. 07:46:27.400 --> 07:46:31.040 Dude, are you the same guy that was, it's like, all right, man. 07:46:32.120 --> 07:46:33.000 Goodness gracious. 07:46:35.660 --> 07:46:47.140 All right chat I'm gonna call Chi Chi's for today mainly because well like I don't want 07:46:47.140 --> 07:46:51.540 to like run my voice too low tomorrow it's gonna be another big day but then 07:46:51.540 --> 07:47:03.180 Thursday is gonna be a big day Thursday we get to check out the beta it's gonna 07:47:03.180 --> 07:47:10.140 lit. So tomorrow guys, more BlizzCon stories, more Reacts, more panels, maybe more interviews, 07:47:10.140 --> 07:47:17.100 more chats. We'll chill out. Thursday at Beta, okay? Thank you guys for all the support today. 07:47:17.100 --> 07:47:23.180 I did a very bad job of reading subs and donations today. I tried my best, but man, I sucked at it. 07:47:23.180 --> 07:47:30.140 So if you guys support it today, it means a lot. We'll chat more tomorrow. I'm gonna also spend some 07:47:30.140 --> 07:47:31.420 some time with some family. 07:47:32.300 --> 07:47:34.260 Yeah, I did last night getting home 07:47:34.260 --> 07:47:36.380 and seeing my little guy for the first time in four days. 07:47:36.380 --> 07:47:37.660 I know that sounds crazy. 07:47:37.660 --> 07:47:39.100 Maybe if you're a parent, it doesn't, 07:47:39.100 --> 07:47:40.580 but four days is a long time away. 07:47:40.580 --> 07:47:42.300 It felt so good to be back home last night. 07:47:42.300 --> 07:47:43.340 Oh my gosh. 07:47:44.260 --> 07:47:45.140 All right, I'll see you guys tomorrow. 07:47:45.140 --> 07:47:45.980 Have a good one. 07:47:45.980 --> 07:47:46.820 We're out of here. 07:47:46.820 --> 07:47:47.660 Peace. 07:48:00.140 --> 07:48:02.200 you 07:48:30.140 --> 07:48:32.200 you