WEBVTT 02:30.000 --> 02:35.000 And then, I'll give you my big heart, 02:35.000 --> 02:39.000 And to the road, on to the road. 02:42.000 --> 02:46.000 It's the road, the road, the road, 02:46.000 --> 02:51.000 To the city, and to the city, and to the road. 02:51.000 --> 02:54.000 To the city, and to the road, 02:54.000 --> 02:59.000 To the road, to the road, 02:59.000 --> 03:06.000 Good morning. 14:29.000 --> 14:31.000 You 15:29.000 --> 15:58.280 Good morning, good morning, good morning my friends, we are back. 15:58.280 --> 16:00.780 We are back, someone in the chest has read it against our, 16:00.780 --> 16:02.780 oh my gosh, that was the motto of yesterday, 16:02.780 --> 16:07.780 good morning, chat, we are here and we are live 16:09.140 --> 16:12.300 and we are back, what to do? 16:12.300 --> 16:14.500 Cosmos, good morning, Gabby, good morning. 16:14.500 --> 16:16.180 Cosmic, good morning. 16:16.180 --> 16:18.260 Sir, good morning, Viper, good morning. 16:18.260 --> 16:21.260 Zedoh, good morning, good morning, good morning, chat. 16:23.740 --> 16:27.660 It's a big week, guys, it is a big, 16:27.660 --> 16:29.740 Big, big week. 16:30.640 --> 16:33.120 There was a dev interview, someone said it was today. 16:33.120 --> 16:35.340 The dev interviews tomorrow, right? 16:35.340 --> 16:40.340 It's like tomorrow morning-ish, maybe? 16:40.560 --> 16:42.100 Something? 16:42.100 --> 16:43.820 Dude, yeah, one more day. 16:43.820 --> 16:48.180 Okay, so tomorrow, dev interview into the beta. 16:48.180 --> 16:49.860 Holy crap. 16:49.860 --> 16:51.520 Forever Things News win. 16:52.540 --> 16:54.300 I mean, I'm sure Soda has said, 16:54.300 --> 16:55.940 but yeah, it's like only things three 16:55.940 --> 17:04.420 gonna be on on forever it'll probably be win hardcore launches pretty much that yeah when 17:04.420 --> 17:12.340 does the download option open no clue man probably at some point yeah new warcraft 3 17:12.340 --> 17:20.060 campaign win bro actually uh I actually bought it this morning and downloaded it so my warcraft 17:20.060 --> 17:25.740 3 reforge is up to date and I bought it I don't know when I'm gonna play I don't think 17:25.740 --> 17:29.740 I can finish it in one day obviously so like I don't want to play today because tomorrow will be on the beta 17:29.740 --> 17:31.740 Like I want to do it in one sitting 17:33.040 --> 17:39.500 The beta ends October 27th, and then we we're not actually getting the launch till the fourth 17:39.620 --> 17:44.340 So we have like a week or something or does it end the 22nd actually maybe the 22nd 17:45.620 --> 17:50.860 It's 30 hours exactly now, so I think I'll do it this week the last week of October 17:50.860 --> 17:57.240 Anyway that'll be like kind of fun. I can just go slow and enjoy it and this and that's that's what I'm gonna play 17:57.240 --> 17:59.740 I think like after beta but before 18:00.860 --> 18:03.980 Launch hey shadow or form good to see you man. You excited 18:04.860 --> 18:08.340 Pull the chat on what's the L. They will be picking in forever 18:10.040 --> 18:16.600 We have only five options, but chat what class are you guys playing in forever? What class are you sending? 18:16.600 --> 18:31.600 First, at least. I'm sure a lot of people make ults. I'm going mage first, but like, I think mage needs some love after looking at all the talents yesterday. I think mage is in, like, a really interesting spot. Definitely mage needs some love, but I still do a mage first. 18:31.600 --> 18:42.600 And then Pali and Warrior and Rogue and Priest. I like all those, man. Oh my gosh, it's going to be tough. Probably Warrior second. Probably Warrior second. Warrior's fun. 18:42.600 --> 18:45.200 Warriors, very fun. 18:47.700 --> 18:48.540 Should be a good time. 18:48.540 --> 18:49.960 Oh my goodness, guys. 18:49.960 --> 18:51.360 Oh my goodness. 18:53.560 --> 18:54.480 Oh my goodness. 18:54.480 --> 18:57.120 Dude, there are so many of you guys playing forever. 18:57.120 --> 18:57.960 This is insane. 18:57.960 --> 18:58.800 Have I done my daily? 18:58.800 --> 18:59.820 I actually did. 18:59.820 --> 19:03.320 I slept until 7.30, which was like brutal, 19:03.320 --> 19:07.520 but we still got in our workout, got in some food, 19:07.520 --> 19:11.760 had a little eggs and rice, got a nice shower. 19:12.600 --> 19:18.800 I'm out with Kai for like a second and now we're here now. We're here 19:21.240 --> 19:29.160 Our boots the same thing as adonis. Yeah, similar what time is beta release? I think it's 3 p.m. Tomorrow. Is that right guys 3 p.m. Tomorrow? 19:29.160 --> 19:42.760 Join Ampey's talk show. Are they talking right now? I think it's around 3 p.m. Okay. So 3 p.m. 19:42.760 --> 19:47.760 tomorrow and I usually get off at 5 so we'll have to figure maybe yeah we'll have to figure out what's 19:47.760 --> 19:55.160 going on there. What race made so like I was gonna play Skyborne because I really really like elves 19:55.160 --> 20:01.320 and I think they look cool, but I looked at the gnome ratio and Eureka is so OP for a mage, 20:01.320 --> 20:03.360 so I might just play gnome. 20:03.360 --> 20:08.760 But what are the chances we are getting arenas eventually in forever? 20:08.760 --> 20:13.800 The chances of arena is probably pretty low, but anything could happen. 20:13.800 --> 20:17.000 If enough people want it, it'll probably be in the game. 20:17.000 --> 20:20.400 Like that's pretty much what it comes down to. 20:20.400 --> 20:22.640 But probably, probably pretty low. 20:22.640 --> 20:23.640 Lie. 20:23.640 --> 20:25.080 Thanks to the five men. 20:25.080 --> 20:38.240 in the back. Thanks for the two of them. Um, does Eureka work with energy and rage? I 20:38.240 --> 20:42.720 would assume so. I would assume so. I didn't actually try it though. Galaxy. Thanks for 20:42.720 --> 20:45.560 the problem. 20:45.560 --> 20:50.720 Did Sar watch the crates for days league? Uh, no, I haven't seen that. No more lock. 20:50.720 --> 20:52.720 Eureka Hellfire Die. Nice. 20:55.720 --> 20:57.720 Gnome Racial Looks Busted, not just Eureka. 20:57.720 --> 20:59.720 Yeah, I probably will play Gnome, 20:59.720 --> 21:02.720 because I generally play a Gnome in Plastic on my Mage, 21:02.720 --> 21:06.720 and the Racials are so good. 21:06.720 --> 21:08.720 Like, Escape Artist is insane. 21:08.720 --> 21:11.720 Eureka is insane. 21:11.720 --> 21:13.720 Expansive Mind is insane. 21:13.720 --> 21:18.720 I'll probably just play Gnome, to be honest. 21:18.720 --> 21:23.520 Thorn, thanks LePron! You also have the voice for it. No idea what you mean by that. 21:24.480 --> 21:28.800 Dude, my voice from BlizzCon is fried. I don't know if you guys can tell. I don't know how normal 21:28.800 --> 21:36.080 I sound. I feel like I sound awful right now. I feel like not myself, for sure. I tried to, 21:36.080 --> 21:38.800 got some, we slept in the 730 like I said, but we definitely need some more. 21:40.240 --> 21:42.080 You sound a little deeper. Maybe it's a good thing. 21:43.680 --> 21:47.440 Did you see this about the classic models? Uh, no. Is that so? Thanks LePron. 21:48.720 --> 21:52.720 No need to nerf. Yeah, it might need a nerf honestly. 21:52.720 --> 21:56.720 It's crazy good. 21:56.720 --> 22:01.720 Did you see Siphonknife's soul link lock is back in forever? Oh, I didn't see that. 22:05.720 --> 22:12.720 Talentsforever.com. Warlock could build. I'm just like making a random build. 22:12.720 --> 22:16.720 Warlock could do... 22:16.720 --> 22:22.560 But, Siphon Life and Soul Link? Can they actually fit both? 22:24.480 --> 22:32.160 Oh gosh. Oh gosh. Oh gosh. Oh gosh. Okay Warlocks, yeah. Warlocks are gonna be a problem, which is 22:32.160 --> 22:35.600 fine because they're already a problem, but like they're definitely gonna continue to be a problem. 22:35.600 --> 22:40.880 Oh my gosh. Plus Molten Skin. Wait, can you get Molten Skin too? 22:46.720 --> 22:54.280 Well, there's the PVP build. I mean, like just not all the specifics, but Scythian Life, 22:54.280 --> 22:59.480 Soul Link, and Molten Skin, that is going to be disgusting out of Warlock. GG, bruh. GG, 22:59.480 --> 23:02.120 SLSL Molten Skin, that's going to be disgusting. 23:02.120 --> 23:06.740 If Blizzard does add cosmetics and mounts in Storing Forever, would you like the transmock 23:06.740 --> 23:09.840 toggle button to also disable the cosmetic items? 23:09.840 --> 23:13.720 That's not happening. There's still a store mount on a night elf you get put onto 23:13.720 --> 23:14.960 a Tiger mount. 23:14.960 --> 23:18.400 I would literally never happen, but like, I guess. 23:18.400 --> 23:19.240 I don't know. 23:19.240 --> 23:21.800 I hope we don't have cosmetics in the store, 23:21.800 --> 23:24.040 but we'll see what happens. 23:24.040 --> 23:25.480 You know, Alki, thanks for the super chat. 23:25.480 --> 23:26.320 Appreciate you. 23:26.320 --> 23:27.600 Zasso, thanks for the prom. 23:29.480 --> 23:32.360 Ampy, as fan accused, who are all talking about forever. 23:34.640 --> 23:36.720 I mean, I would chat with them, 23:36.720 --> 23:40.240 but I don't wanna be, you know, like that guy 23:40.240 --> 23:43.280 who like nudges themselves into a conversation 23:43.280 --> 23:44.240 when they're not invited. 23:44.240 --> 23:46.600 like, don't want to be that guy either. 23:47.680 --> 23:49.640 You know what I'm saying? 23:49.640 --> 23:52.400 We didn't get an invite, so I think we're just gonna chill. 23:52.400 --> 23:53.760 Like, it's not our... 23:53.760 --> 23:58.680 That ever happened to you at BlizzCon? 23:58.680 --> 24:01.460 No, no, definitely not. 24:02.880 --> 24:04.360 Chat has no social awareness. 24:04.360 --> 24:06.800 I mean, I'm just saying guys, yeah, it's like, 24:06.800 --> 24:09.840 it's not, no invite, we don't just like, yeah. 24:14.240 --> 24:17.680 Um, Priest's gnome ratio is insane. 24:17.680 --> 24:21.080 Uh, yes, I did check that one out. 24:21.080 --> 24:25.320 It seems pretty good, but it doesn't seem as insane as you might think. 24:25.320 --> 24:28.800 Uh, let me see if I can pull it up. 24:28.800 --> 24:36.480 It's actually not on here. 24:36.480 --> 24:38.720 Dude, hardcore forever is gonna be sick. 24:38.720 --> 24:40.320 It's gonna be so fun, man. 24:40.320 --> 24:44.120 I was actually thinking about Hardcore Forever in the shower this morning. 24:44.120 --> 24:50.320 Oh, and ironically, like actually was, it's like, oh my gosh, it's going to be, it's going to be sick. 24:51.020 --> 24:53.220 Are we going to go gnome again? Yeah, I think so. 24:53.220 --> 24:59.220 I really like Skyborne. I like elves in general. I think they look cool and the ratios are okay. 24:59.220 --> 25:04.720 So I was going to do Skyborne, but then I looked at the gnome ratio and it's like, no, I have to play gnome. 25:05.220 --> 25:07.020 Like, I have to. 25:07.020 --> 25:12.980 like Eureka is just so good, Escape Artist is just so good, Expansive Mind is just so good. 25:14.180 --> 25:18.060 Skyborne, I really like how it looks, but damage to Ellie's doesn't do much, like... 25:20.420 --> 25:24.860 like the run speed is cool, but the walk on air is cool, but your mage was slow fall, like... 25:26.300 --> 25:26.860 I don't know. 25:27.420 --> 25:28.460 Probably give the gnomes. 25:28.620 --> 25:29.260 Probably give the gnomes. 25:31.940 --> 25:34.100 Please don't min-max for gnomes, play what you want. 25:34.100 --> 25:35.740 Well, that thing is like, I like gnomes. 25:35.740 --> 25:41.100 Yeah, I always play no like no miss my thing. I usually play no mage like I like playing no, so 25:41.900 --> 25:46.700 It's not like like dude say or cut the most OP racial. I'm not playing an orc 25:47.580 --> 25:51.660 Say like troll at the most OP racial. I'm not playing troll like a certain ones 25:51.660 --> 25:55.460 I don't like like dwarf say dwarf at the most OP racial. I'm not playing a dwarf. I 25:56.300 --> 26:01.500 Like human night elf gnome and sky born and undead. Those are the four I would choose from 26:01.940 --> 26:04.860 Night elf gnome sky born undead like those are my favorite four 26:05.740 --> 26:11.260 so yeah it's not that i don't like no i i love it 26:17.580 --> 26:20.300 undead pallet yeah so i'll probably make a gnome mage 26:24.300 --> 26:29.740 maybe a human warrior sorry if this is a repeat do you think undead pallet into the cl 26:29.740 --> 26:35.500 design at launch how would you feel about a fiery work like 18 months out 26:35.500 --> 26:39.020 What do you think our values changes and what's not? 26:39.020 --> 26:45.580 Plastic sign I do not think is locked in. I hope fire is reworked before launch. It's not good. 26:46.300 --> 26:52.460 It needs some work. Plastic sign is still a work in progress. So hopefully, 26:53.660 --> 26:57.660 actually like honestly arcane, fire and frost need a little bit of work. 26:57.660 --> 27:02.460 I think arcane and frost have a really good foundation. Fire needs some restorative reworks. 27:02.460 --> 27:09.660 I think Arcane needs one more button, Frost needs one more button at least, and Fire has 27:09.660 --> 27:12.700 enough buttons, but they need to be reworked to work in a cohesive way. 27:12.700 --> 27:14.820 So actually, Mage needs a lot of work. 27:14.820 --> 27:18.060 Obviously, I'm a Mage main, so I'll probably play it anyway, but it does need a lot of 27:18.060 --> 27:26.380 work. 27:26.380 --> 27:29.580 You can't make both factions on a PvP rule set. 27:29.580 --> 27:31.340 Is that true? 27:31.340 --> 27:38.580 If that's true, give me a link, because I would be shocked if that was the case, because 27:38.580 --> 27:45.940 that would mean one faction per account, which would be crazy, but I don't know. 27:45.940 --> 27:50.780 Supposedly, they worked on Mage last, really, I have no idea. 27:50.780 --> 27:56.620 I hope, like, Mage definitely needs some love though, absolutely. 27:56.620 --> 27:57.620 you need some love. 28:07.620 --> 28:11.540 What are your thoughts of the future of putting lower locations like a scaled down north end cold 28:11.540 --> 28:16.860 to Ross that are boat rides away? No main city hub. If you do it, they probably should be much 28:16.860 --> 28:22.980 smaller and have no main city. But it can work if it's smaller has no main city. Yes, of course. 28:22.980 --> 28:28.700 But if it's super, super large like a Northrend or an Outland and there's a main city massive mistake, that's my take 28:31.300 --> 28:36.020 Made you'll be fine without love. It's already a god class. Yeah, they're really good, but I'm not talking about good 28:36.020 --> 28:40.520 I'm talking about fun is the rotation gonna be interesting besides one button, right? 28:45.700 --> 28:50.440 When you say may just need love are you talking about the power or just a little more play to the rotation guys 28:50.440 --> 28:53.880 I hope this is an obvious one. I'm talking about the rotation not the strength 28:53.880 --> 29:00.200 Yeah, I'm talking about the rotation as it stands right now mage's rotation for arcane is two buttons only 29:01.040 --> 29:06.040 That is lower than any other spec in the entire game after going through every single spec in the game to 29:06.400 --> 29:08.500 Frost same thing two buttons only 29:09.160 --> 29:13.700 Lowest out of any other spec that tied with arcane in the entire game. So yeah, like objectively 29:14.620 --> 29:18.560 They have less funds to present any other in the game now strength. I don't know 29:18.560 --> 29:22.300 They might be OP who knows but that's not what I'm talking about just the rotation 29:22.560 --> 29:25.600 Should be a little more interesting like every other speck of the game 29:27.120 --> 29:30.000 Yo profit thanks the two ones tell men smelly thanks the two one 29:30.800 --> 29:32.800 Svar thanks the prom 29:37.680 --> 29:40.920 How do you know their rotation so yesterday I spent like 29:42.000 --> 29:44.600 What how long did we spend on this website like three hours? 29:44.600 --> 29:51.860 We looked at every spec in the game and basically theorycrafted a general rotation for every spec in the game 29:52.320 --> 29:59.560 Just to see how many buttons are you pressing and you know like what would the rotation look like on on this spec or that spec and 29:59.880 --> 30:04.660 Every spec in the game is three to five buttons to press in the rotation some have six even 30:05.160 --> 30:08.920 Like three to six buttons the low end is three high end is like six 30:08.920 --> 30:14.040 Mage has two for Arcane and Frost which is like yeah that's when I say 30:14.040 --> 30:19.180 Mage needs work that's what I mean. What is this lock build? It's just a random lock 30:19.180 --> 30:22.640 build we were looking at. Scythe in life, Soul Link and Multan skin will probably be 30:22.640 --> 30:28.800 the PvP build. It's gonna be crazy bro. Who had six? The healers. A lot of healers 30:28.800 --> 30:34.800 had six buns to press. Like I believe Holy Priest. Like Prayer, Amending, 30:34.800 --> 30:44.080 binding heal, Renew, um, Creator heal, Flash heal, Lesser heal, or I guess just heal not 30:44.080 --> 30:45.080 Lesser. 30:45.080 --> 30:49.600 But like that, all the healers have more buttons to press than the DPS. 30:49.600 --> 30:52.480 The healers actually might be the hardest classes in the game, guys. 30:52.480 --> 31:01.320 They have way more. 31:01.320 --> 31:03.120 I what Profs am I going to pick? 31:03.120 --> 31:04.120 I don't know. 31:04.120 --> 31:12.200 too much about professions. I'll have to take a closer look as things get, you know, released, 31:12.200 --> 31:21.320 but I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, I would have to see. It's here on that same website. 31:21.320 --> 31:26.360 So we were going to review this yesterday, but I was looking at these things and I'm 31:26.360 --> 31:31.000 like, holy crap, like belt buckles for blacksmithing. How is this confirmed? Before I look at 31:31.000 --> 31:35.880 this I want it confirmed this all seems pretty fake to me I mean it maybe it's real I don't know but 31:37.320 --> 31:42.760 where is this confirmed anywhere I want to link to a video I want a link to a stream I want to 31:42.760 --> 31:50.840 link to a blue post I want to link to an article nothing it's just all here so until something 31:50.840 --> 31:55.480 proves otherwise I'm going to assume it's fake maybe it's real but I'm not going to cover it 31:55.480 --> 31:56.480 if there's no proof. 32:08.480 --> 32:10.480 Is Rath Annie definitely not happening? 32:10.480 --> 32:12.480 Um, I don't know. 32:12.480 --> 32:13.480 I don't know. 32:13.480 --> 32:16.480 I actually asked John Blitzer himself, I was like, 32:16.480 --> 32:20.480 so what's going on with Rath and Mop and, 32:20.480 --> 32:22.480 well, what are we doing? 32:22.480 --> 32:26.380 And John Blizzard himself told me that we're gonna find out soon 32:28.760 --> 32:30.760 That's what I know 32:36.880 --> 32:41.800 It's not fake there are screenshots from game cuz someone escaped starting someone went to vendors so give me the link to that 32:41.800 --> 32:43.800 That's what I want to see 32:52.480 --> 32:58.360 Are you concerned about PvP balance? 32:58.360 --> 33:04.240 PvP balance is going to absolutely suck. 33:04.240 --> 33:09.760 Like it always does at the start of any new expansion in WoW history. 33:09.760 --> 33:12.760 Over time, they can get it right. 33:12.760 --> 33:14.760 Of course it's going to suck. 33:14.760 --> 33:20.560 Yo, do read, thanks for the thought, man. 33:20.560 --> 33:23.560 Are you gonna go Pali or Mage? 33:23.560 --> 33:28.160 I'm gonna do Mage first, then Warrior, then maybe like Rogue or Priest or Pali. 33:28.160 --> 33:30.560 I'll probably make a lot of holds. 33:30.560 --> 33:39.880 Yeah, cheeky things with stuff, brother. 33:39.880 --> 33:43.800 You gonna test some MM Hunter for me? 33:43.800 --> 33:47.440 Bro, MM Hunter looks so cool, bro. 33:47.440 --> 33:53.780 So AIM Shot is baseline from all 300 specs, but what's cool about MM is they have Lone 33:53.780 --> 33:56.100 Wolf so you can ditch the pet. 33:56.100 --> 33:59.140 That's my dream, like holy crap, are you kidding me? 33:59.140 --> 34:05.060 But not only that, they have a brand new ability called Sniper Shot. 34:05.060 --> 34:11.180 So you have Lone Wolf, baseline AIM Shot, and Sniper. 34:11.180 --> 34:12.180 That's sick. 34:12.180 --> 34:15.380 That's so cool. 34:15.380 --> 34:21.620 so cool. Is Boomi gonna be viable? From what I can tell it looks pretty darn good. Yeah, 34:21.620 --> 34:29.900 Boomi has balance of nature and it has eclipse. So the rotation will be interesting. They have 34:29.900 --> 34:39.780 insects warm too. Yeah, it seems good. Seems good. I like my pets. That's just Marksman 34:39.780 --> 34:44.020 guys. That's just Marksman. If you're survival or beast on a silver pet, Marks, I would assume 34:44.020 --> 34:48.700 loan will be the plan, which I think is cool. 34:48.700 --> 34:49.700 Foreverhold. 34:49.700 --> 34:56.420 Thanks for the subs, guys. 34:56.420 --> 35:00.460 What do you think about tanks and PVP with the changes? 35:00.460 --> 35:02.460 Tanks and PVP. 35:02.460 --> 35:08.860 They'll probably be about as unviable as they always have been, outside of random 35:08.860 --> 35:11.860 niche cases. 35:11.860 --> 35:12.860 Which is good. 35:12.860 --> 35:15.980 I mean, like a prop alley might own a rogue, 35:15.980 --> 35:17.580 but it's going to lose to a mage, 35:17.580 --> 35:19.580 which is like how it kind of isn't TBC or, 35:19.580 --> 35:20.780 like, you know what I mean? 35:23.140 --> 35:25.100 What are your thoughts on rogue? 35:25.100 --> 35:26.800 The new sub rotation looks cool. 35:26.800 --> 35:29.060 You keep off Himo, you keep up Rupture, 35:29.060 --> 35:31.300 you keep up Slice, you keep up, 35:31.300 --> 35:33.300 you spam Backstab for ambush crux. 35:33.300 --> 35:35.420 It's like five buttons, it's awesome. 35:35.420 --> 35:37.300 And what's in the rotation? 35:37.300 --> 35:40.540 Frostfire Bolt, Pyro and Ice Lance. 35:40.540 --> 35:42.820 So the most compelling mage build to me 35:42.820 --> 35:48.820 In terms of fun and like class fantasy is a Frost Firebolt build and yeah, I haven't actually built it yet. I'll try to build it right now. 35:50.420 --> 35:54.020 It would basically be your spamming Frost Firebolt to get ignites. 35:55.420 --> 36:03.720 You get a bunch of hit from elemental precision and you get ice shards and piercing ice and frost channeling for threat and mana efficiency. 36:05.320 --> 36:07.220 You're also going to get shatter and fingers of frost. 36:07.220 --> 36:16.420 but in addition you get less even less threat hopefully they stack and range and 36:16.420 --> 36:21.300 hot streak and master of elements probably want to go improve scorch create and 36:21.300 --> 36:26.140 improve and firepower like something like this would be my proposed frostfire 36:26.140 --> 36:33.060 build if nothing changes this will prop I think would maybe be the PvE spec on 36:33.060 --> 36:35.060 Which I actually think sounds fun 36:35.160 --> 36:39.860 The big issue with it like it's fun from like a like a thematic perspective 36:39.860 --> 36:41.040 But it's boring 36:41.040 --> 36:48.900 Rotationally because your only buttons are frost fire bolt and Iceland's I think you literally go frost or frost fire 36:48.900 --> 36:55.920 Bolt frost fire bolt frost fire bolt oh, I got a fingers a frost frost fire bolt Iceland's frost fire bolt frost fire bolt frost fire bolt 36:55.920 --> 36:57.760 I suppose you would um 36:57.760 --> 37:00.520 Once you had enough crits in a row you would also cast pyro 37:00.520 --> 37:04.680 Yeah, I guess you would and like a long enough PvE fight you would cast pyro too 37:05.840 --> 37:10.600 I guess we would also cast scorch to keep up scorch actually. Maybe this isn't like maybe this is 37:12.520 --> 37:15.260 Maybe this isn't too bad, maybe maybe this isn't too bad at all 37:16.360 --> 37:20.560 the thing about mage builds um that we were chatting about yesterday is like if 37:21.200 --> 37:23.200 You play hybrid builds 37:23.400 --> 37:26.640 Their rotation is actually somewhat interesting like so for this 37:26.640 --> 37:32.440 if you play half fire half frost you're gonna keep up scorch you're gonna get 37:32.440 --> 37:36.120 the pyro procs you're gonna use Iceland's as a spender and you'll use frost 37:36.120 --> 37:40.200 fire bolt as a builder that's four buttons like that's actually cool like I 37:40.200 --> 37:44.040 would play this build I would I would play this build it's two out of three 37:44.040 --> 37:49.040 game scorch on purpose, and I'd probably swap something like, 37:55.000 --> 37:57.920 probably swap like this, assuming you don't go boom, 37:57.920 --> 37:58.960 that's probably fine. 38:04.480 --> 38:06.280 Or you might not need the extra range, 38:06.280 --> 38:07.820 like that's probably fine too. 38:07.820 --> 38:09.520 Yeah, it's probably fine like that. 38:09.520 --> 38:16.860 Like that'll probably be the mage build if nothing changes I think. 38:16.860 --> 38:20.740 I can't like, well it depends how things are scaled. 38:20.740 --> 38:30.660 Like additionally like if Arcane is just scaled way higher than the rest then that won't be 38:30.660 --> 38:31.660 the case. 38:31.660 --> 38:33.900 Like you know it'd probably be something more like this. 38:33.900 --> 38:40.460 arcane is just doing more damage because of scaling then this would be the build I would assume let's see 38:41.420 --> 38:41.980 oh whoops 38:49.500 --> 38:54.540 okay um just thinking 38:57.740 --> 39:01.180 if you've got unlucky and never got a missile barrage proc you would need to spend your 39:01.180 --> 39:04.620 your four-stack arcane blast. 39:04.620 --> 39:06.260 Could spend it on a fireball? 39:15.860 --> 39:18.420 Oh. 39:18.420 --> 39:21.660 Oh, I actually didn't think about this yesterday. 39:21.660 --> 39:22.900 Yeah, check out this build. 39:22.900 --> 39:26.460 Wait, this actually could go kind of hard. 39:26.460 --> 39:27.380 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 39:27.380 --> 39:30.180 OK, I actually didn't think about this yesterday. 39:30.180 --> 39:32.800 Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, 39:32.800 --> 39:34.400 you get a Barrage, fine, Missile. 39:34.400 --> 39:36.680 Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, Arcane Blast, 39:36.680 --> 39:40.680 no Barrage, Frost Fire Bolt as a Spender, 39:40.680 --> 39:45.640 Double Dips, Ignite, Ice Shards, that could work. 39:45.640 --> 39:49.200 Frost Fire Bolt, Double Dips, and actually Triple Dips. 39:49.200 --> 39:51.920 Arcane Blast gives it 40% damage, 39:51.920 --> 39:55.160 Ignite will give it 40%, Ice Shards gives it 100%. 39:55.160 --> 40:03.840 Yeah, this build will be really good. 40:03.840 --> 40:05.080 This build will also be really good. 40:05.080 --> 40:10.680 It'll be either this or this, I think, for PvE, if nothing changes, which I hope things 40:10.680 --> 40:18.280 do change. 40:18.280 --> 40:20.800 No need to stack Hot Street 3x while leveling? 40:20.800 --> 40:22.200 I mean, yeah, sure. 40:25.880 --> 40:28.000 Dane major itself before beta. 40:28.000 --> 40:29.680 I think things will change. 40:29.680 --> 40:32.160 And based on like scaling and this and that, 40:32.160 --> 40:33.760 things will change even more. 40:37.280 --> 40:38.880 Make a video on what you would change 40:38.880 --> 40:40.400 for Mage Challenge to help Blizzard. 40:40.400 --> 40:44.240 So I was actually theory crafting how I would change it. 40:44.240 --> 40:46.960 And I actually don't really know, to be honest. 40:46.960 --> 40:50.600 Like it gives me a lot of insight on class design. 40:50.600 --> 40:58.040 how hard it is and it gives me a lot of insight on like Blizzard's job in terms of, like it's 40:58.040 --> 41:05.600 easy to complain, it's harder to come up with solutions, right? It's tough. It's definitely 41:05.600 --> 41:12.580 tough. This build would actually probably be even better than this one, but I think this 41:12.580 --> 41:17.660 one seems more fun to me. This build would be, I think, more fun. I don't, like, for 41:17.660 --> 41:21.760 mages out there that have played the frostfire bolt build do you do you like it 41:21.760 --> 41:26.660 like you know what I'm talking about do you guys enjoy it as much as I do it's 41:26.660 --> 41:31.460 like a it's a build in wrath you can play it in kata I think too maybe or maybe 41:31.460 --> 41:37.100 just rats it's so fun can you make a frostfire bolt build with missile 41:37.100 --> 41:41.380 barrage I can try I don't think so yeah I definitely don't think so I'll try to 41:41.380 --> 41:51.300 builder right now. So a frostfire bolt build you 100% one ignite. You could maybe drop pyro 41:51.300 --> 41:56.180 and hot streak because you won't have time to do missile brush and pyros probably, which 41:56.180 --> 42:02.900 means you don't get like anything here. And then it would look something like this. Definitely 42:02.900 --> 42:12.900 want like Shatter, Ice Lance and Fingers. And then you would go... I would assume like 42:12.900 --> 42:16.180 you would skip Arcane Blast because you don't have enough time to... you can't just take 42:16.180 --> 42:17.460 all the talents, right? 42:17.460 --> 42:22.100 Zahyuh, how can I get three minutes of your time to discuss something Blizzard could 42:22.100 --> 42:26.860 do to nail the mixed horizontal slash vertical progression? I don't have the reach for 42:26.860 --> 42:32.820 them to see it, but you do. Send it in Discord or you could type it right now. 42:32.820 --> 42:38.060 Y'all thank you very much for the bits man. Alright, so this could kind of like 42:38.060 --> 42:43.300 so to answer next search question, like this could kind of work. Frostfirebolt, 42:43.300 --> 42:49.180 Frostfirebolt, Frostfirebolt, Frostfirebolt. You get a crit or you get a 42:49.180 --> 42:54.620 fingers proc Frostfirebolt Iceland's, but you could also send Arcane missiles. 42:54.620 --> 42:57.700 Let me think about if this how much damage this would actually do 42:59.380 --> 43:01.380 It really depends how things are scaled 43:12.260 --> 43:16.060 You might not need this extra mana so you could maybe go in here for less threat 43:17.980 --> 43:23.860 It really depends how things are scaled this actually could be a decent build we are so back 43:24.620 --> 43:32.480 I don't see it being better than this though because you lose 43:35.020 --> 43:37.020 Improves scorch you lose 43:37.980 --> 43:42.580 8% fire damage to have the new race is correct. I don't see it being that good 43:42.580 --> 43:48.220 I feel like they'll stick out considerably for people with SD models as they act more. I 43:49.100 --> 43:51.100 Don't know the answer to that 43:51.620 --> 43:54.460 SD models on new races 43:54.620 --> 44:02.980 would be cool. But I think the idea is like, they can't really just, I don't know, I think 44:02.980 --> 44:07.440 that they can't like make a new race and then make it look old and new because it's, it never 44:07.440 --> 44:14.900 was old. I don't know, it would be sick if they could somehow do it though, like really 44:14.900 --> 44:19.100 sick because I agree. If you guys didn't know the new race Skyborne doesn't have 44:19.100 --> 44:25.420 an SD model. It only has the HD one, or at least on the demo. So when you swap, it's like 44:25.420 --> 44:35.100 just the new one, because it's a new one. Like there was no old one. Right? So, yeah. 44:35.100 --> 44:38.340 What do you think about the in-game shop? I'm happy there's no boost, no tokens. It's 44:38.340 --> 44:43.340 That's good. Hopefully there's no cosmetics, but we'll see. 44:53.740 --> 44:55.540 What talents say Frost and Fire to these count 44:55.540 --> 44:57.260 both to Frostfire? Yeah, exactly. 44:57.260 --> 44:58.100 Yep. 45:00.700 --> 45:03.500 SD models aren't OG, check discord. 45:08.340 --> 45:13.940 I'm not seeing any links coming up right now, but I have seen people say that, which I'm kind of curious about. 45:17.540 --> 45:18.740 I played... 45:23.140 --> 45:29.940 Yeah, where's my Vaughn? Like, I played on stream, and it looked pretty OG to me, but maybe I'm missing something. 45:38.340 --> 45:58.340 I mean, so people are saying they don't look like one-to-one, exact. 45:58.340 --> 45:59.340 They're a little different. 45:59.340 --> 46:00.340 I mean, maybe that's true. 46:00.340 --> 46:01.340 I don't know. 46:01.340 --> 46:05.780 They look like, so I'm the guy that wants the SD models, like I'm that guy. 46:05.780 --> 46:07.740 To me, they look pretty good. 46:07.740 --> 46:09.820 I don't know if they're like a little, yeah, 46:09.820 --> 46:11.460 maybe they are a little different. 46:11.460 --> 46:13.780 I haven't like compared them side by side. 46:13.780 --> 46:15.460 But this is what they look like. 46:16.580 --> 46:19.580 Like that's HD, that's SD. 46:19.580 --> 46:22.500 Like to me, this is close enough to the SD human. 46:22.500 --> 46:24.060 I don't know if it's exact pixel for pixel, 46:24.060 --> 46:26.140 but like, this looks good. 46:26.140 --> 46:27.980 This looks good. 46:27.980 --> 46:29.180 This looks good to me. 46:32.620 --> 46:34.580 Hey, Zah, did you ever thought about how- 46:34.580 --> 46:35.900 And that's someone who like- 46:35.900 --> 46:37.700 Wow, experienced better. 46:37.700 --> 46:41.180 That's like someone who I actually care about this stuff. 46:41.180 --> 46:42.480 This is a big deal to me. 46:43.540 --> 46:46.580 So I don't know, maybe 80 people are just trying to, 46:46.580 --> 46:49.000 yeah, I don't know, like I'm the guy. 46:51.540 --> 46:53.940 Original models are gone, they need to be fixed. 46:55.740 --> 46:58.940 Side by side, the classic one looks way better, 46:58.940 --> 47:02.460 but this seems, that seems troll. 47:02.460 --> 47:04.260 Does it actually look like this? 47:04.260 --> 47:11.580 This is a different skin tone and a different angle. 47:11.580 --> 47:15.160 This one is taken from below, this one is taken from above with a different skin tone 47:15.160 --> 47:19.020 and this one zoomed in more. 47:19.020 --> 47:22.580 So like, yeah, a complete troll photo. 47:22.580 --> 47:23.580 This one is a better example. 47:23.580 --> 47:25.660 Let's take a look at this. 47:25.660 --> 47:27.340 It's like so pixelated I can't even tell. 47:27.340 --> 47:30.580 Okay, so this is actually a good photo because it's like side by side. 47:30.580 --> 47:38.480 different skin tone, still different hair. Yeah, I mean this looks pretty darn similar 47:38.480 --> 47:42.380 to me but I would like the same skin tone, same hair, right? So you can actually see 47:42.380 --> 47:45.880 and high quality. This was a bug. 48:00.580 --> 48:05.820 It would let you upgrade your tier 1 setup to tier 4 strength, allowing you to keep gear 48:05.820 --> 48:10.620 you've earned and like usable forever. 48:10.620 --> 48:14.460 I don't know if I like the idea, I think a better idea is if your tier 1 set bonus is 48:14.460 --> 48:19.420 better you would keep the tier 1 set bonus and mix it with the tier 5 set bonus and 48:19.420 --> 48:21.460 now you're using both, that's super cool. 48:21.460 --> 48:23.660 I don't know if I like that idea as much. 48:23.660 --> 48:27.980 Um, okay so this is like a little better of an example except it's still a different 48:27.980 --> 48:32.140 discussions on community voting for proposed changes in the future like 48:32.140 --> 48:37.020 RuneScape. That's what I want. I don't think I've seen anything about it, but it's such a great idea 48:37.020 --> 48:42.220 you have talked on a fair bit before announcement. Yeah, that's what I want. I'm pushing for that, 48:42.220 --> 48:48.380 but clearly- You just don't think it's all that deep. They're like 99% identical. I think people 48:48.380 --> 48:52.620 are just- Yeah, we're trying to cover this right now. I think it's completely troll, right? 48:52.620 --> 48:58.700 like once again different hairstyle this is at least like a similar skin tone and angle so that 48:58.700 --> 49:06.620 helps like I'm looking at like the hand the fingernail the hand here low poly I'm looking 49:06.620 --> 49:11.340 at like the bone in the shoulder I mean clearly they are a little bit different I'm looking 49:11.340 --> 49:17.500 at the bone here like the shoulder comes out a little more I mean yeah there there there 49:17.500 --> 49:25.660 are clearly slight differences. As someone who cares about this stuff, as someone who really, 49:25.660 --> 49:33.500 really, really enjoys playing with the old models, this is fine by me. It really is. This actually 49:33.500 --> 49:43.740 doesn't bother me. It looks close enough, like it looks pretty darn good. This, I think, is 49:43.740 --> 49:47.900 like a completely misleading screenshot because it's a different skin color, different angle, 49:47.900 --> 49:50.700 different hair, different everything. So it's like, yeah, of course, it looked different. 49:56.140 --> 50:02.460 Let's go. All I'm saying is when when you pick, oh, gee, here, let me play this again. 50:03.740 --> 50:09.660 Old Night Elf or Old Dwarf or New Dwarf, Old Dwarf. How close does that look to the 50:09.660 --> 50:20.140 the old wharf. To me, that's close enough. That looks like that looks like my wharf, right? 50:20.140 --> 50:27.580 When you go to human, that looks like human, right? New human, awful. Don't like it. Like, 50:27.580 --> 50:33.700 don't do not like the new models. Old, great. Like, for me, this, this feels very, very 50:33.700 --> 50:42.260 solid. 95% perfect. Yeah, it's good enough for me as someone who cares a lot. I hope I 50:42.260 --> 50:45.000 go to the undead one. 50:45.000 --> 50:56.220 Line without Questy, etc. So, Questy's like built in now. I'm trying to think if I'm 50:56.220 --> 51:01.780 going to turn off the built in Questy, I'm not sure. 51:01.780 --> 51:08.220 No, not making a showman. Nope. Maybe that's my 15th alt after I do two warriors two mages two priests two rogues 51:10.620 --> 51:14.740 It's the animations not the pictures I would have to do them side by side 51:23.480 --> 51:30.040 Nice yeah nice, okay nice cool huge. Yeah, Oscar. Thanks for the two one bro 51:31.780 --> 51:41.780 I think it's going to be great. 51:41.780 --> 51:51.260 Um can I review shout out priest we checked it out yesterday it looks really cool how 51:51.260 --> 51:58.300 old am I 32 actually turned 33 in a few days it's crazy for a while forever. 51:58.300 --> 52:06.940 How far all out? 52:06.940 --> 52:10.620 Someone said fun experiment trying to imagine an SD version of the owl bear model. 52:10.620 --> 52:14.140 It's an interesting challenge to figure out what you can do with only a 256, 250 texture 52:14.140 --> 52:15.140 limited polygons. 52:15.140 --> 52:18.140 I don't know. 52:18.140 --> 52:19.140 Yeah. 52:19.140 --> 52:20.140 Interesting. 52:20.140 --> 52:36.140 Yeah. Interesting. So like some of the some of the new stuff like the race and like the like owl bear stuff like the sky born bear stuff like that is like could be scaled down. Yeah, that looks nice. I like that. 52:36.140 --> 52:38.140 I like that. I like the sharper edges and stuff for SD. 52:47.140 --> 52:48.140 I like that a lot. 52:52.140 --> 52:56.140 What do you think of the 70% Blizzard slow nerf to 40% and Permafrost nerf as well? 52:57.140 --> 53:01.140 It's... hey, let me just... let me check my facts here. Wow, classic talent calc. 53:01.140 --> 53:17.060 but that's odd. Okay, so it's 65 normally nerf to 40. So 65 to 40 because essentially 53:17.060 --> 53:21.820 The permafrost works very, very similar. 53:21.820 --> 53:31.220 So 65 nerf to 40 is a big deal. 53:31.220 --> 53:32.220 I don't know. 53:32.220 --> 53:33.220 We'll have to see how it plays. 53:33.220 --> 53:38.780 I'm the guy where I AOE grinded when I was like 13 years old. 53:38.780 --> 53:40.860 I AOE grinded in 2019. 53:40.860 --> 53:43.900 I've been AOE grinding my entire life. 53:43.900 --> 53:48.100 So if this affects anyone, it's me. 53:48.100 --> 53:50.940 I want to see if there's no way to AoE grind anymore, 53:50.940 --> 53:52.660 I think I am pretty upset. 53:52.660 --> 53:54.060 But if there's still a way to do it, 53:54.060 --> 53:56.980 but it's not just broken in like a battleground, 53:56.980 --> 53:59.820 it's not broken in like world PVP, 53:59.820 --> 54:00.980 maybe it's a good thing. 54:00.980 --> 54:02.460 And I'm a mage saying that. 54:02.460 --> 54:05.660 But I want there to be a way to AoE grind. 54:05.660 --> 54:06.820 Like, major should be able to. 54:06.820 --> 54:08.940 That's a core identity is to be 54:08.940 --> 54:10.420 able to kill some Murlocs, right? 54:10.420 --> 54:11.660 So we'll see how that goes. 54:13.900 --> 54:17.300 Yeah, you might just use Kona Cold now instead and 54:18.580 --> 54:24.580 Flame Strike Kona Cold and like throw in blizzards, but like maybe not just only blizzard is what I'm trying to say exactly 54:26.340 --> 54:32.400 You can still a cock flame strike arcane explosion with Nova exactly yeah, which is kind of like ampy 54:32.400 --> 54:35.800 Does it that way anyway, and like that's kind of how I did it anyway like so 54:36.500 --> 54:41.140 Blizzard is a safe way to AoE grind, but what I used to do 54:41.140 --> 54:49.700 In 2019 I actually made a guide on this. What I used to do is like I would mount up and like get all the mobs together in 54:49.700 --> 54:56.860 NOFA and then Flamestrike, KonaCold and Arcane Explosion. It's harder to do it. It's not as safe if you mess up anything you die, 54:56.860 --> 55:04.140 but it's actually quicker and more efficient. You do more damage. All the mobs die faster. It's kind of insane. 55:04.140 --> 55:06.960 Flamestrike, KonaCold, Shatter Combo and the AE spam. It's great. 55:06.960 --> 55:11.320 Okay, Iceland is 30 yard range not affected by Arctic reach. 55:11.320 --> 55:12.880 Yeah, that should be changed. 55:12.880 --> 55:17.160 Arctic reach should affect Iceland's opinion on wow, 55:17.160 --> 55:18.640 wow arena and forever. 55:19.800 --> 55:22.000 It got an 85% approval on community polls. 55:22.000 --> 55:23.600 Did it actually 85? 55:25.520 --> 55:26.360 See this. 55:31.200 --> 55:34.920 Arena belongs in classic. 55:34.920 --> 55:39.160 Hmm, I don't know if this is the like the survey is the one 55:44.040 --> 55:50.400 Like I don't think a lot of people checked out that like secondary survey where it's like the survey results of community results here we go 55:56.960 --> 56:00.020 I didn't know it was 85% I wanted to fact check that 56:00.020 --> 56:06.220 that. Should there be rated PVP in Classic Plus, rated Battlegrounds arenas, dueling leaderboards? 56:06.220 --> 56:15.620 So this is not asking about just arenas, that's asking about dueling RBPs or arenas. It's 56:15.620 --> 56:27.180 like for this, like a way more than just arena, this is 58%. So not 85. 56,000 total 56:27.180 --> 56:31.500 responses 58% approval but this is more than just arena this is RBG arena and 56:31.500 --> 56:38.020 dueling so fact-checked not any time the servers will work are they doing layering 56:38.020 --> 56:48.060 um are they doing layering yeah it's gonna be a mega server so yeah is there 56:48.060 --> 56:53.420 just an arena question I wonder 56:57.180 --> 57:04.180 Is there no question for just arena? 57:04.180 --> 57:12.180 Okay, here we go, here we go, let's see what this one is. 57:12.180 --> 57:16.180 Okay, what do you want arena? 57:16.180 --> 57:17.180 79%. 57:17.180 --> 57:19.820 So old school RuneScape needs 70 or more. 57:19.820 --> 57:22.060 So you're right, 20,000 responses. 57:22.060 --> 57:26.060 I wonder why just arena is higher than the one that included more. 57:26.060 --> 57:29.540 That's actually fascinating, 80% approval for arena. 57:29.540 --> 57:30.740 What about RBGs? 57:37.380 --> 57:40.680 Less people want RBGs than arena. 57:40.680 --> 57:42.100 That is actually mind blowing. 57:43.380 --> 57:46.760 I would think RBGs would be less of a stretch than arena 57:46.760 --> 57:48.680 because RBGs already kind of exist in a sense, 57:48.680 --> 57:49.940 they're battlegrounds. 57:49.940 --> 57:52.260 Huh, that's interesting. 57:52.260 --> 57:55.480 Anyway, here's my take on this. 57:55.480 --> 57:58.220 I don't think arena should be in Classic Plus 57:58.220 --> 58:01.660 because of how it changes the feel of the game 58:01.660 --> 58:03.260 once you're grinding for rating. 58:03.260 --> 58:08.260 But I will say this, if truly 80% of the community wants arena, 58:11.380 --> 58:13.060 then I would say add it. 58:13.060 --> 58:15.320 Because it's not my choice. 58:15.320 --> 58:17.700 It's a game for more than me. 58:17.700 --> 58:19.300 It's a game for everyone. 58:19.300 --> 58:22.180 So if truly 80% want it, then I would say add it. 58:22.180 --> 58:23.860 However, I did a poll yesterday 58:23.860 --> 58:25.260 and 20% said they want it. 58:25.260 --> 58:29.180 So, I don't know, polls are tough, but yeah, 58:29.180 --> 58:32.100 I mean, screw my opinion if 80% of people want something, 58:32.100 --> 58:34.700 but my opinion is still no on Arena. 58:34.700 --> 58:38.180 However, RBGs I think are less of a stretch. 58:38.180 --> 58:40.780 So I would actually say maybe for RBGs, 58:40.780 --> 58:44.180 because still rating, but at least it's not like 58:44.180 --> 58:46.380 something so novel to where 58:48.220 --> 58:50.300 you're adding an extra, a whole extra game mode 58:50.300 --> 58:51.300 for people to sit there and queue. 58:51.300 --> 58:53.260 You just queue rated instead of normal or something. 58:53.260 --> 58:56.000 But this actually wouldn't pass by RuneScape standards, 58:56.000 --> 58:57.540 funny enough. 58:57.540 --> 58:59.200 So there's that. 58:59.200 --> 59:01.940 JRA thinks the prime, Vernon thinks the prime. 59:01.940 --> 59:03.240 Sir Novi thinks the prime. 59:04.480 --> 59:05.940 Would you agree that if they add arena, 59:05.940 --> 59:07.880 they have to homogenize classes to make it fair? 59:07.880 --> 59:09.740 Really like the idea of forever being 59:09.740 --> 59:11.980 a bridge between era and retail. 59:11.980 --> 59:15.680 So many retail friends have quit course they miss CL, 59:15.680 --> 59:19.200 but don't want to play a solved dated version of WoW. 59:20.100 --> 59:21.580 Yeah, totally get it. 59:21.580 --> 59:22.700 Yeah. 59:22.700 --> 59:32.900 So here's a list of steps they would have to do if they add arena, 59:32.900 --> 59:34.900 or even like any rated PVP. 59:34.900 --> 59:37.060 The problem also comes with most people in those votes 59:37.060 --> 59:41.940 were sent there from content creators who were PVP in background. 59:41.940 --> 59:42.820 Right, right. 59:42.820 --> 59:44.980 Maybe the poll is skewed. 59:44.980 --> 59:46.300 Because I did a poll yesterday. 59:46.300 --> 59:49.620 We got like 20% approval, which is like quite the opposite. 59:49.620 --> 59:51.580 If they add arena, the first thing they have to do 59:51.580 --> 59:52.420 is fix DRs. 59:52.420 --> 59:56.020 So right now, or I guess, a fix CC duration, 59:57.220 --> 59:58.740 which would kind of include DRs. 59:58.740 --> 01:00:00.340 But so right now, 01:00:01.940 --> 01:00:05.600 Polly is 20, 01:00:06.740 --> 01:00:09.360 like Polly fear, it's that like Polly fear sap, 01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.340 you know, et cetera, is 22nd to, 01:00:13.940 --> 01:00:16.580 is it 20, 10, five? 01:00:16.580 --> 01:00:19.020 Yeah, I think it's 20 seconds, 10 seconds, five seconds 01:00:19.020 --> 01:00:20.700 for classic. 01:00:20.700 --> 01:00:31.140 In TBC, it's 10, 5, 2.5? 01:00:31.140 --> 01:00:32.620 Oh, it changes every expansion. 01:00:32.620 --> 01:00:35.780 So please correct my numbers if these are off. 01:00:35.780 --> 01:00:38.980 I think this is correct. 01:00:38.980 --> 01:00:43.300 Anyway, if you did add Arena, you do have to fix DC. 01:00:43.300 --> 01:00:48.220 Because like 20 second fears in Arena is just awful. 01:00:48.220 --> 01:00:51.140 It's just like crazy. 01:00:51.140 --> 01:00:52.940 It's like just absolutely nuts. 01:00:53.860 --> 01:00:57.580 It's not 30, 15, 7.5, is it? 01:00:57.580 --> 01:01:00.060 Wait, it's probably 30? 01:01:00.060 --> 01:01:02.460 I think it's 20, I think it's 20. 01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:07.540 In Wrath, they changed it again 01:01:07.540 --> 01:01:12.540 to I believe eight, four, two or something. 01:01:13.740 --> 01:01:16.820 And then in, I don't know, 01:01:16.820 --> 01:01:18.700 and like a more modern expansion. 01:01:18.700 --> 01:01:20.060 I don't remember when they did this. 01:01:20.060 --> 01:01:23.580 They changed it to six, three, 1.5. 01:01:23.580 --> 01:01:25.500 So they just kept going shorter and shorter. 01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:27.180 And then in retail, it's, 01:01:29.020 --> 01:01:32.920 I believe in a retail it's five, 2.5. 01:01:34.700 --> 01:01:36.260 And that's it. 01:01:36.260 --> 01:01:38.660 I believe this is how they did it. 01:01:38.660 --> 01:01:40.860 It was like, this was original classic 01:01:40.860 --> 01:01:42.100 and then TVC and rap. 01:01:42.100 --> 01:01:43.780 They just kept making CC shorter 01:01:43.780 --> 01:01:44.980 and shorter and shorter. 01:01:46.820 --> 01:01:55.140 Anyway, it's a fascinating topic, but if you do add arenas, this CC duration is awful. 01:01:55.140 --> 01:01:57.620 You'd have to fix that. 01:01:57.620 --> 01:02:16.060 But if you fix that, then it ruins the beauty of 1v1s and world PvP, or a lot of it. 01:02:16.060 --> 01:02:22.180 could fix it only inside of arena. I don't really like solutions like that. The reason 01:02:22.180 --> 01:02:27.620 I don't like solutions like that is because once you have like, oh, this is my character 01:02:27.620 --> 01:02:32.500 out in the world. And this is my character in arena. Now you're playing like two different 01:02:32.500 --> 01:02:39.500 versions of the game, right? There's some games that do this. Lost Ark does this, but 01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:43.500 it starts to fragment your world because your player has different types of power 01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:46.940 in different areas of the world and like that just feels really weird like okay in 01:02:46.940 --> 01:02:51.500 arena I'm gonna play differently than I would just like playing out in the world 01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:55.140 because my character literally works differently so I don't know if I want to 01:02:55.140 --> 01:02:59.260 fragment the game like that like I wouldn't do it 01:03:13.500 --> 01:03:15.500 I 01:03:20.540 --> 01:03:22.540 All right 01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:31.740 It's a no-biz in a while forever, they'll be pissed for like a patch and then I'm sure it would change 01:03:34.180 --> 01:03:39.460 Classic isn't about rated arena. I agree with that how long until we invent retail 01:03:39.460 --> 01:03:50.900 If you continue to add things that over time make the game feel more and more modern one 01:03:50.900 --> 01:03:53.180 at a time, it would eventually become that. 01:03:53.180 --> 01:04:00.980 That's why as much as arena would be fun, I don't think adding Mythic Plus, arena, 01:04:00.980 --> 01:04:05.300 RBG, it's a slow trickle into, oh, this is going to become more and more modern. 01:04:05.300 --> 01:04:08.620 How about let's keep it focused on the journey. 01:04:08.620 --> 01:04:11.440 We keep it focused on the world as the main character. 01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:13.800 We keep it focused on getting out in the world 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:17.320 and meeting other people, not sitting in a city and queuing. 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.600 As much as I love arena, that's kind of why I'm still like, 01:04:19.600 --> 01:04:21.600 I don't think it should be in the game. 01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:28.880 Respect prize, I'm not sure. 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:30.040 Out of the things to prep. 01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:33.080 Changes slash talents would fragment the world. 01:04:33.080 --> 01:04:33.920 Yeah. 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.920 But homogenizing all of the CL would kill the game. 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:38.440 Yeah, yeah, I agree. 01:04:38.620 --> 01:04:42.940 There's like a tier list of how bad certain changes are that would be the worst. You'll capital thanks to the prom 01:04:46.100 --> 01:04:48.260 What time does the beta I think it's 3 p.m. Tomorrow 01:04:52.380 --> 01:04:54.380 Bones thanks to the prom 01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:22.460 What about arenas with spectators in the open world? 01:05:22.460 --> 01:05:23.460 Ding ding ding. 01:05:23.460 --> 01:05:24.460 Yup. 01:05:24.460 --> 01:05:25.460 That's been my suggestion. 01:05:25.460 --> 01:05:30.220 Instead of adding arenas that are phased, you add something like a brawler's guild where 01:05:30.220 --> 01:05:36.140 you can queue up to get ported in the middle, kind of like the brawler's guild, and you 01:05:36.140 --> 01:05:40.060 fight to the death and like maybe even have some stakes 01:05:40.060 --> 01:05:41.820 and other people can watch it 01:05:41.820 --> 01:05:43.380 and it's a physical location 01:05:43.380 --> 01:05:45.180 that you actually have to run to. 01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:46.980 Now we're talking. 01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:48.660 Now it's classic. 01:05:48.660 --> 01:05:52.020 Now it's the world is the main character and it's fun. 01:05:52.020 --> 01:05:54.140 Like we have to just not think, 01:05:54.140 --> 01:05:56.820 oh what can we copy paste from future expansions? 01:05:56.820 --> 01:06:00.020 We have to think what makes sense in the OG world. 01:06:00.020 --> 01:06:01.380 It's a different conversation. 01:06:01.380 --> 01:06:03.680 Yes, so that's been my whole point, right? 01:06:03.680 --> 01:06:06.240 That's been my whole point from two years ago. 01:06:06.240 --> 01:06:07.080 Absolutely. 01:06:12.380 --> 01:06:13.720 James Guy, thanks to the sub and Shay, 01:06:13.720 --> 01:06:14.800 thanks to the sub. 01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.040 Bone, thanks to the prem. 01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.320 Two new tailoring patterns. 01:06:33.680 --> 01:06:35.680 That is increased shadow damage 01:06:37.600 --> 01:06:42.680 14 shadow damage on hands at level 35. I hope power power creeps not gonna be an issue 01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:58.760 Yep, I don't know what the point was but yeah, I agree 01:07:03.680 --> 01:07:27.440 I hope power creep isn't too high, you know, these items are so good. 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:29.320 I can do that, sure. 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:30.600 I'll do a quick poll. 01:07:30.600 --> 01:07:39.520 answer for Paladins? Paladins, do you like Seal Twisting? Yes, love it, no hate it. If 01:07:39.520 --> 01:07:47.360 you don't care, don't vote. Paladins, Seal Twisting. Alright, it's a pull up. I'm just 01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:53.320 going to need to spend on Twitch. YouTubers, okay fine, I'll do it on YouTube. YouTube 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.320 Okay, fine. YouTube, here we go. 01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:01.320 Okay, it's up on both. 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.320 We need way more votes. We need way more votes, guys. 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:13.320 Paladins only, but we need more. Definitely more votes. 01:08:23.320 --> 01:08:33.320 Okay, so based off this, 69% of people hate it. 01:08:33.320 --> 01:08:36.320 31% love it. 01:08:36.320 --> 01:08:39.320 Interesting. 01:08:39.320 --> 01:08:43.320 Huh, that's weird. 01:08:43.320 --> 01:08:48.320 I actually thought more people would like it. 01:08:48.320 --> 01:08:59.880 Can you explain what that is? I don't know what it is. I don't know what it is. Okay, 01:08:59.880 --> 01:09:05.760 so basically seal twisting at the end of your attack timer, so you'll need like an add-on 01:09:05.760 --> 01:09:11.580 that will track when you swing. If you swap seals, there's going to be a brief point 01:09:11.580 --> 01:09:16.640 in time where you're going to get the benefit from both seals. Am I explaining this 01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:24.920 So basically right at the end of your swing timer, you're going to swap from command to, 01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:29.320 well, I guess it depends if you're playing TBC, if you're playing Classic WoW, you'll 01:09:29.320 --> 01:09:34.680 swap your seal and you're going to swing and you're briefly, very, very briefly going 01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:37.280 to get the benefit of double seal. 01:09:37.280 --> 01:09:40.160 And then for your next swing timer, you'll do that same thing, right? 01:09:40.160 --> 01:09:42.480 So you'll kind of just double dip your seals. 01:09:42.480 --> 01:09:46.640 So it's become basically the way to play Rep Palli in Classic and TBC. 01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:50.920 I don't know if it sticks around in Wrath or not, maybe not, maybe doesn't matter as much. 01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.600 But like TBC in Classic, it's like way to do damage. 01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:07.120 Oh, Hammer Fallen's in the chat. 01:10:07.120 --> 01:10:08.120 What's good, man? 01:10:08.120 --> 01:10:11.200 I know you're not Hammer Dance now, since we met up BlizzCon. 01:10:11.200 --> 01:10:12.200 Legendary. 01:10:12.200 --> 01:10:22.200 No pre-install yet, no. 01:10:22.200 --> 01:10:23.200 Yeah. 01:10:23.200 --> 01:10:24.200 Yeah. 01:10:24.200 --> 01:10:25.200 I can't wait, man. 01:10:25.200 --> 01:10:26.200 I can't wait. 01:10:26.200 --> 01:10:37.040 On my discord this morning, I was reading people they were already taking time off work 01:10:37.040 --> 01:10:41.160 to play, like months in advance, legendary. 01:10:41.160 --> 01:10:45.300 What are you playing? I'm playing a mage. I'll make a warrior ult. I might make an undead 01:10:45.300 --> 01:10:50.420 paladin ult and I might make a pre-start rogue eventually. 01:10:50.420 --> 01:10:58.620 I was trying to throw the instant problem. I'm going to play Alliance on my mage. I'll 01:10:58.620 --> 01:11:06.180 play undead paladin at some point I think and I'll be horde of course undead. 01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:08.580 Common tanks aren't going to be in that launch maybe later. 01:11:12.300 --> 01:11:15.100 My wife booked a holiday for November 5th. 01:11:15.100 --> 01:11:16.500 Oh no. 01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:18.380 Hopefully you don't get sick right before, man. 01:11:18.380 --> 01:11:23.900 That would suck to have to stay home. 01:11:23.900 --> 01:11:25.020 Definitely. 01:11:25.020 --> 01:11:26.620 Are you going to start a no-money guild? 01:11:26.620 --> 01:11:27.100 No. 01:11:27.100 --> 01:11:29.020 No, we'll make a normal guild. 01:11:36.180 --> 01:12:04.340 I don't know what to do with it. 01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:06.080 Are you implying that gnomes aren't normal? 01:12:06.080 --> 01:12:08.700 No, you can join our Kildus and gnome. 01:12:08.700 --> 01:12:13.700 It's more like, it's not gnome exclusive, all right? 01:12:15.100 --> 01:12:18.100 Alley or horde, I'll probably do both, but ally first. 01:12:18.100 --> 01:12:19.360 I'll do gnome mage. 01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:23.980 Actually funny enough, I was gonna message soda 01:12:23.980 --> 01:12:25.380 about data. 01:12:34.340 --> 01:12:56.000 I'm looking for this are you playing shaman? 01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:01.640 I have no plans to play shaman right now, but maybe eventually I guys I can't wait to 01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:05.640 play a mage, I can't wait to play a warrior, I can't wait to play an undead paly, I can't 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:08.000 wait to do like all of these different things. 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.200 Shaman is so low on my list it's crazy. 01:13:10.200 --> 01:13:27.200 Like it's actually crazy. 01:13:27.200 --> 01:13:30.320 Yeah I'm gonna play on the PvP ruleset. 01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:35.320 I'm curious to learn more about rulesets, because the way I'm understanding them right now 01:13:35.320 --> 01:13:43.640 is it's basically just a mega-server for PVP, a mega-server for PvE, a mega-server for RP, 01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:45.640 and a mega-server for hardcore. 01:13:45.640 --> 01:13:49.800 Which by the way, I think is a good thing in the sense that in the past it's like, 01:13:49.800 --> 01:13:51.680 oh, am I going to play in the right or wrong server? 01:13:51.680 --> 01:13:55.000 And I was just like, you have four mega-servers. 01:13:55.000 --> 01:13:57.140 as long as the servers can handle it, 01:13:57.140 --> 01:13:59.260 then I think this is fine. 01:13:59.260 --> 01:14:00.100 But we'll see. 01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:06.820 We need RPPVP. 01:14:10.140 --> 01:14:12.480 You'd have to separate that to a new rule set. 01:14:12.480 --> 01:14:13.980 Probably not, probably not. 01:14:13.980 --> 01:14:17.120 As much as it sucks, if you, 01:14:17.120 --> 01:14:18.180 like okay, let me, let me, 01:14:18.180 --> 01:14:20.780 okay, people are asking RPPVP. 01:14:20.780 --> 01:14:22.080 Think about it this way. 01:14:22.080 --> 01:14:25.920 I actually think it's a bad idea, right? 01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:28.880 So right now you have four rule sets, okay? 01:14:28.880 --> 01:14:33.880 You have PvP, PvE, RP, and hardcore. 01:14:36.240 --> 01:14:38.640 Okay, I think that's good, why? 01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:42.880 Because you can choose how you wanna play 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:44.640 and play the way you wanna play. 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.480 Now, some of these communities are smaller. 01:14:47.480 --> 01:14:51.000 Hardcore is a niche community, RP is a niche community. 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:53.880 PvP and PvE, of course, are gonna be the massive. 01:14:53.880 --> 01:14:54.880 These are gonna be the big two. 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:57.280 These ones are gonna be much smaller now. 01:14:57.280 --> 01:15:00.200 If you added in more rule sets, which you could, 01:15:02.040 --> 01:15:07.040 you then split RP into two subsets. 01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:15.000 You have RP, true RP, and you have RP-PVP. 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.260 So you're splitting a small community already 01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:19.680 into two even smaller communities. 01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:20.520 You see what I'm saying? 01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:26.500 fragmenting a small community that's essentially saying the same thing of oh, I want multiple 01:15:26.500 --> 01:15:32.360 hardcore different realms like I want like a, like a, this type of realm and this type 01:15:32.360 --> 01:15:35.840 of realm and this type of realm and starts to fragment an already small player base. 01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:38.360 So we don't even talk about hardcore, but just for RP. 01:15:38.360 --> 01:15:44.420 If you did split it, you're essentially choosing, let's split our community in half. 01:15:44.420 --> 01:15:45.420 Bad decision. 01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:51.260 Instead, keep RP together as one big rule set, and if you want a PvP, make another character 01:15:51.260 --> 01:15:54.580 on a PvP rule set instead. 01:15:54.580 --> 01:16:02.900 So yeah, I think it would be a massive mistake to do it, and that's why. 01:16:02.900 --> 01:16:08.540 What's the height behind Undead Paladin? 01:16:08.540 --> 01:16:10.300 Any Paladins out there want to answer? 01:16:10.300 --> 01:16:15.260 Oh my gosh, it's the sickest thing ever. 01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:17.220 I mean, thematically it's just the sickest thing ever. 01:16:17.220 --> 01:16:19.320 I'm so like, I can't wait, bro. 01:16:19.320 --> 01:16:20.380 It's so cool. 01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:21.300 It's just cool. 01:16:24.340 --> 01:16:26.380 Pausen, thanks for the prompt. 01:16:26.380 --> 01:16:27.660 I go back to work from paternity leave 01:16:27.660 --> 01:16:28.740 the week forever comes out. 01:16:28.740 --> 01:16:29.580 Dude. 01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:32.600 Dude. 01:16:32.600 --> 01:16:34.460 Dude, the timing, unbelievable. 01:16:38.660 --> 01:16:40.100 Halley should have gotten a rebuke. 01:16:40.100 --> 01:16:40.940 I don't know, man. 01:16:40.940 --> 01:16:42.380 Homogenization scary. 01:16:45.260 --> 01:16:59.380 are NA and EU together now? 01:16:59.380 --> 01:17:08.140 Hey, knock, thanks for the sub, brother. 01:17:08.140 --> 01:17:24.440 He looks really cool man. 01:17:24.440 --> 01:17:28.400 I hope Power Creep isn't going to be an issue. 01:17:28.400 --> 01:17:32.480 These items seem so good. 01:17:32.480 --> 01:17:58.540 Like a lot of these items just seem insane man. 01:17:58.540 --> 01:18:02.740 Look at the weapon enchants. I was trying to look at that. Engineering, cooking, enchanting. 01:18:02.740 --> 01:18:10.500 Here we go. Enchanting can be used to craft idols. Oh, that's interesting. Enchanting 01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:21.500 can be used to craft librahms. Oh, wow. Wands, staves, offhands, enchants. Sixteen spellpower, 01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:27.660 9 defense 9 ends 20 arcane damage Wow 01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:44.420 65 spell power to a two-hander 55 spell power Wow 100 healing cheese yeah I'm a 01:18:44.420 --> 01:18:48.980 little concerned about power creep to be honest with you guys I'm a little 01:18:48.980 --> 01:18:53.100 concerned. I want that game to just feel like you're playing 01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:55.140 classic. I don't want it to feel like, oh, I'm hitting for 01:18:55.140 --> 01:18:58.700 15 million three weeks. And you know, I guess it's, it's, it's 01:18:58.700 --> 01:18:59.340 a little scary. 01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:04.420 Base spell power is dramatically weaker. 01:19:08.300 --> 01:19:11.140 Massive nerfs dispels and physical weapons in well forever. 01:19:14.700 --> 01:19:16.580 Looking at some content from blizzcon, I realized that 01:19:16.580 --> 01:19:30.720 physical weapons and especially spells seem to be massively nerfed first images from plastic seconds from off forever any theories on why that might be some spells have 50% less base damage which is a huge nerf maybe the game will start slower and ramp up okay so I actually asked this question. 01:19:32.020 --> 01:19:39.840 To one of the dubs I asked this exact question because I was curious as well and he gave me the answer so we don't have to theorize. 01:19:41.240 --> 01:19:42.340 The answer was. 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.200 When your. 01:19:45.200 --> 01:19:56.400 A melee user, so a rogue or a warrior, when you get a weapon upgrade, it's a big deal. 01:19:56.400 --> 01:19:57.400 It's a big deal. 01:19:57.400 --> 01:20:02.400 Like you feel that new sword, you feel that new axe, you get that whirlwind axe, it's 01:20:02.400 --> 01:20:04.200 a massive deal. 01:20:04.200 --> 01:20:09.880 Right now in Classic Well, as a caster, when you get a new weapon, it's nice. 01:20:09.880 --> 01:20:13.820 But you don't feel it like a warrior would or a rogue would. 01:20:13.820 --> 01:20:22.460 So what they decided to do is they removed spell base damage from the spell itself and 01:20:22.460 --> 01:20:27.460 added it into things like weapons which you probably noticed are way stronger now so that 01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:31.960 when you get weapon upgrades as a caster it should feel like you're getting weapon upgrades 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:33.120 as a melee. 01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:37.180 When you get Staff of the Westfall it should feel amazing just like it does on a warrior 01:20:37.180 --> 01:20:39.820 if you're a priest or a lock or a mage. 01:20:39.820 --> 01:20:47.740 you get a new staff from Scarlet Monastery, it should feel like a new weapon upgrade from 01:20:47.740 --> 01:20:54.220 a warrior. So that's the answer to this. To do that, they nerfed base spell damage and 01:20:54.220 --> 01:21:06.260 put some of that into the weapons. Very interesting. Why am I concerned though? Because it kind 01:21:06.260 --> 01:21:10.760 that goes past just like the weapon conversation that we were just having and into like everything 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:20.180 like enchants items like hopefully that the power creep still isn't too much you think 01:21:20.180 --> 01:21:23.900 we'll see a toggle for hd textures in the world I mean I love my toggle so hopefully 01:21:23.900 --> 01:21:50.540 but I don't know. Alchemy pods. Terrone AoE potions. Dot potions. Oh my gosh. Stat increase 01:21:50.540 --> 01:21:59.020 potions oh my gosh health and mana elixirs oh my gosh healing and spell damage elixirs stat increase elixirs 01:22:02.700 --> 01:22:07.180 oh every crafting profession gets its own certification item that unlocks a special title 01:22:08.300 --> 01:22:13.340 the alchemist cool i actually think that that kind of stuff is sick i like that 01:22:17.900 --> 01:22:18.220 cool 01:22:20.540 --> 01:22:25.540 Um, have devs confirmed no world buffs and raids? 01:22:25.540 --> 01:22:31.540 I don't know if no world buffs and raids was confirmed by a dev, but I asked for permission 01:22:31.540 --> 01:22:35.620 to be able to say, yes, that is the case. 01:22:35.620 --> 01:22:42.880 There is no world buffs and raids that is confirmed. 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:49.940 They will exist in the world as a flavor thing to mess around on an alt level quicker, 01:22:49.940 --> 01:22:51.940 blah blah blah. So same thing has turned a while. 01:22:57.940 --> 01:22:59.940 Yeah, I'm really, really happy with that one. 01:23:05.940 --> 01:23:07.940 Guild Bank, I'm not too sure. 01:23:10.940 --> 01:23:12.940 You have to have two names, yeah. It's not optional. 01:23:13.940 --> 01:23:18.940 Actually, I had a question about names. Maybe someone knows or not. I don't know if you guys know. 01:23:19.940 --> 01:23:24.900 Is the first name or the last name unique or neither? 01:23:24.900 --> 01:23:26.500 Is it only the combination that's unique? 01:23:26.500 --> 01:23:30.180 For example, if someone gets the last name, 01:23:31.220 --> 01:23:34.180 Zaru, I don't know, is that now taken 01:23:34.180 --> 01:23:35.880 or is it the combination? 01:23:36.860 --> 01:23:38.860 The combination is unique. 01:23:38.860 --> 01:23:39.700 Okay. 01:23:41.260 --> 01:23:43.700 Yeah, so that's probably just because it's a mega server 01:23:43.700 --> 01:23:47.460 and kind of need, yeah, I kind of need to send that. 01:23:48.620 --> 01:23:49.460 Okay. 01:23:49.940 --> 01:24:02.300 You, you do need a last name. 01:24:02.300 --> 01:24:03.300 You don't have to display both. 01:24:03.300 --> 01:24:06.500 I think you can hide the last name. 01:24:06.500 --> 01:24:07.500 It's exactly like it is. 01:24:07.500 --> 01:24:10.500 Zaryu Tomb Howl, or Zaryu Dream Scythe, etc. 01:24:10.500 --> 01:24:11.500 Uh, kinda. 01:24:11.500 --> 01:24:17.260 I mean, Zaryu Tomb Howl, everyone on Tomb Howl would have, like, Savik's Tomb Howl, 01:24:17.260 --> 01:24:18.420 Zaryu Tomb Howl. 01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:20.900 And now you can actually choose the last name. 01:24:20.900 --> 01:24:23.940 You can hide it, that's good. 01:24:23.940 --> 01:24:24.780 I'm going no mage. 01:24:32.700 --> 01:24:35.060 Last names are sick for role players, yeah. 01:24:35.060 --> 01:24:35.560 Yeah. 01:24:35.560 --> 01:24:48.640 Um, do I know anything about AOE and mages? 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:56.040 It seems like AOE is nerfed a lot, but I don't know exactly how. 01:24:56.040 --> 01:25:00.160 If you look at tailoring and enchanting with the Shadow Damage gear at level 25 and the 01:25:00.160 --> 01:25:07.040 staff at 25. You can have 92 spelled in for those two professions. Right. I think 01:25:07.040 --> 01:25:09.480 that's kind of what I was just saying though. They're doing that on purpose to 01:25:09.480 --> 01:25:13.120 make the upgrades feel like they would for a melee, but I don't know. Maybe 01:25:13.120 --> 01:25:17.920 hopefully it's not too much. We got a five hour super chat saying, uh, are you 01:25:17.920 --> 01:25:22.320 planning on doing a hardcore forever tune? Yeah. Yes. 100% doing hardcore. 01:25:22.320 --> 01:25:25.200 I'll do it like much later though. I want to play normal first. 01:25:25.200 --> 01:25:28.200 Do we know when forever goes live? 01:25:28.200 --> 01:25:30.200 November 4th. 01:25:30.200 --> 01:25:33.200 What time is beta start tomorrow at 3pm? 01:25:33.200 --> 01:25:35.200 Only things win when hardcore launches. 01:25:50.200 --> 01:25:52.200 3pm PST beta tomorrow. 01:25:52.200 --> 01:25:54.200 I think, is that not confirmed? 01:25:54.200 --> 01:25:58.280 Think it's 3 p.m. PST tomorrow. I thought I remember seeing that somewhere 01:25:59.400 --> 01:26:01.400 Is that I think that's confirmed. Oh 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:04.520 That's not oh people saying not confirmed 01:26:05.800 --> 01:26:08.800 It's usually always like 3 p.m. PST. I thought I saw that 01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:13.880 Leak, I actually don't know I could just be wrong so don't take my word for it 01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:15.960 I guess I guess it's tomorrow sometime. We don't know 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:27.280 guys I think you guys think I know way more than I do like that is like there 01:26:27.280 --> 01:26:31.680 is so much that I'm just like yeah guys I have no idea first name last name rule 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:40.520 sets like I'm trying to figure it all out too no he knows everything I scroll 01:26:40.520 --> 01:26:48.820 All down is tailoring a base profession like cooking, I don't think so. 01:26:48.820 --> 01:26:51.960 Now these are just other profs, although cooking might be interesting. 01:26:51.960 --> 01:26:53.720 Bro, you can make smoothies. 01:26:53.720 --> 01:27:00.080 I don't know if you can put some protein in there. 01:27:00.080 --> 01:27:18.960 new smoothie recipes as well. Please read its release date. The European email said 18th 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:27.400 not 17th. 3pm PST is midnight. Yeah, so probably is 3pm PST. Wow, forever will have add on 01:27:27.400 --> 01:27:32.520 changes from midnight. Those are announced through the wow UI discord that the midnight add-on 01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:37.080 disarmament changes will be active in wow forever. The midnight add-on changes have been very controversial 01:27:37.080 --> 01:27:42.760 amongst the retail community. Okay, I mean I don't have a strong opinion here since I don't use 01:27:42.760 --> 01:27:48.760 many add-ons because I'm a full natty gig because uh I just you know it is what it is. Anyway, 01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:54.520 a lot of people will be upset about this. I don't know. So basically instead of weak 01:27:54.520 --> 01:27:58.120 You're gonna download a bunch of other add-ons that did what we cores did anyway 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:03.500 Except they're jankier. That's what retail has gone through and now now I guess that's what we're gonna go through too 01:28:07.240 --> 01:28:13.100 You can do all the same stuff it's just not through week or is anymore or like most of the same stuff I should say 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:18.800 So whatever I 01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:25.800 I love Wii cores, but 5 add-ons is worse. 01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:32.120 Download it, LSMir in your set. 01:28:32.120 --> 01:28:34.440 Will Questy be built in? 01:28:34.440 --> 01:28:36.480 Yes. 01:28:36.480 --> 01:28:39.600 What about a block plastic UI add-on? 01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:46.080 I'm going to download that for sure. 01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:49.120 the idea about having one main realm with multiple different worlds like RuneScape, 01:28:49.120 --> 01:28:52.000 I don't think that works that way, especially with professions. 01:28:55.280 --> 01:28:56.880 Our GTKP's ban, I actually don't know. 01:28:58.560 --> 01:29:00.480 What time is launch tomorrow? I thought it was three, 01:29:00.480 --> 01:29:03.280 but people were saying it's not confirmed, so am I bad? I don't know. 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:10.320 Questy is built in, yeah. Questy is pretty much built in. I can go to my 01:29:10.320 --> 01:29:12.440 I thought from BlizzCon and show you guys. 01:29:15.520 --> 01:29:17.200 So here I'm accepting a quest. 01:29:18.340 --> 01:29:19.960 I click accept. 01:29:21.020 --> 01:29:24.300 Right here, you already have, 01:29:24.300 --> 01:29:25.260 you know, the quest tracker. 01:29:25.260 --> 01:29:26.220 Are you here on the mini map? 01:29:26.220 --> 01:29:27.420 It tells you where to go. 01:29:29.160 --> 01:29:34.160 And, yeah, built in questy. 01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:37.680 Having said that, to my knowledge, you can turn it off 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:38.920 just like questy. 01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:42.680 So if you don't want it, you can turn it off. 01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:44.080 So I don't see any negative here. 01:29:44.080 --> 01:29:48.760 It's like basically just including Questy as a baseline option. 01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:51.240 And since so many people used it, it's cool. 01:29:51.240 --> 01:29:54.400 So yeah, I don't mind that. 01:29:54.400 --> 01:29:56.160 It'll ruin thousands of new quests. 01:29:56.160 --> 01:29:57.040 Just turn it off. 01:29:57.040 --> 01:29:59.720 Yeah, you can turn it off. 01:29:59.720 --> 01:30:02.560 As far as I know, I think I saw that Quest Tracker, 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:04.600 Quest Helper, a toggle. 01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:05.560 I believe you can turn it off. 01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:06.060 Yeah. 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:23.000 little over 24 hours man it's close I think it's a good toggle yeah for some of these 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:29.880 things that are really divisive I think the toggle makes just so much sense so much sense 01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:44.120 You should try playing the beta with it off. Yeah, I'll try to toggle off in beta. That's a good idea 01:30:51.940 --> 01:30:55.240 Is it open beta tomorrow or do I have to spend money it's it's money 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:04.000 Yeah, seriously continues to have their pull on me looking forward to watching you test out the beta 01:31:04.120 --> 01:31:06.120 We'll be on the beta tomorrow 01:31:06.120 --> 01:31:11.660 As soon as it comes out and Friday as soon as it comes out, I will just be gaming up the beta man 01:31:24.120 --> 01:31:26.280 Oh, you can apply for free as well, okay 01:31:26.280 --> 01:31:30.380 I just bought like the the most expensive pack because it comes with a 01:31:30.380 --> 01:31:37.380 Warcraft 3 expansion thing. What's it called? That I really wanted. Obviously I want to play Warcraft 3. 01:31:37.380 --> 01:31:45.380 What's this called? Forsaken Kingdom. So since I wanted Forsaken Kingdom anyway, and I wanted Guaranteed Beta, I just sent the full one. 01:31:45.380 --> 01:31:53.380 That's what I got. I wonder how Qs are going to be? Probably awful. 01:31:53.380 --> 01:32:01.740 That's what I did so I could play Forsaken Kingdom. 01:32:01.740 --> 01:32:04.780 For people playing Forsaken Kingdom, is it fun? 01:32:04.780 --> 01:32:05.780 Is it good? 01:32:05.780 --> 01:32:06.780 Is it, like, be honest? 01:32:06.780 --> 01:32:07.780 Is it trash? 01:32:07.780 --> 01:32:08.780 Like, what? 01:32:08.780 --> 01:32:09.780 Tell me about it. 01:32:09.780 --> 01:32:13.820 I really want to play, but I'll probably play in a few weeks. 01:32:13.820 --> 01:32:17.140 It's good, it's fun, it's difficult, it's fun but hard. 01:32:17.140 --> 01:32:20.220 I can handle it hard. 01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:22.220 Sick. 01:32:22.220 --> 01:32:24.540 Cool. Very hard. All right, sick. 01:32:30.780 --> 01:32:34.340 Do you keep your beta character? No guys, it's just a beta. Nope. 01:32:47.380 --> 01:32:51.400 Um, what's the strongest class looking like so far? 01:32:52.220 --> 01:32:54.220 Goodness, Gary shows guys 01:32:54.780 --> 01:32:56.380 goodness guys 01:32:56.380 --> 01:32:58.380 Can we not guys can we not? 01:32:58.940 --> 01:33:00.940 Can we not ask that question? 01:33:01.340 --> 01:33:05.260 Go play what you think looks fun, please seriously guys 01:33:05.260 --> 01:33:11.140 This is our chance to redo history and play the game for fun based on what you think looks fun the whole 01:33:11.460 --> 01:33:14.500 Class tier list guys. Can we please get that out of the room man? 01:33:15.260 --> 01:33:16.900 unbelievable 01:33:16.900 --> 01:33:20.480 Goodness like play an undead Pali cuz you think it looks cool, bro 01:33:20.480 --> 01:33:27.340 Like we like we've been down this road before play play a mage cuz you want to play a mage not cuz oh goodness 01:33:46.900 --> 01:33:50.700 What spec am I going to play? 01:33:50.700 --> 01:33:54.660 I'm going to try a bunch of different specs, but for Mage the Frostfire Bolt one looks really 01:33:54.660 --> 01:34:00.180 fun in PvE and in PvP I'll probably just play Frost because like, you know, Frostmage, 01:34:00.180 --> 01:34:01.680 Classic WoW, you know what I'm saying? 01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:07.700 So probably go Frost, PvP, Frostfire, PvE, but the Arcane build looks kind of fun too, 01:34:07.700 --> 01:34:12.660 so I might miss out on that. 01:34:12.660 --> 01:34:15.380 They both look super fun. 01:34:15.380 --> 01:34:19.220 I played both on the demo at BlizzCon, and I actually really like both. 01:34:20.380 --> 01:34:21.260 So I'm going to make both. 01:34:21.300 --> 01:34:23.360 Like they look, they, they're both so good, man. 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.600 Like the, the, the, the class design is like, there's just so many 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:27.560 buns to press. 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.680 You're, you're very interactive, Pali included, which is great. 01:34:39.260 --> 01:34:40.340 Uh, did I try shaman? 01:34:40.340 --> 01:34:41.400 No, not too much. 01:34:45.380 --> 01:35:10.380 Um, 01:35:10.380 --> 01:35:24.380 reddit says the SD models are a fake toggle is this true 01:35:24.380 --> 01:35:28.380 of the 01:35:28.380 --> 01:35:32.380 way we we we we already covered it, um 01:35:32.380 --> 01:35:36.380 this is me at blizzcon 01:35:36.380 --> 01:35:40.380 like 01:35:40.380 --> 01:35:44.380 this is this is the gnome I I don't know 01:35:44.380 --> 01:35:48.380 like I guess the TLDR is I'm someone who cares about this 01:35:48.380 --> 01:35:52.380 I can't stand the modern 01:35:52.380 --> 01:35:57.000 This is close enough to classic for me to where I'm very happy with this. 01:35:57.000 --> 01:35:59.960 Are they pixel by pixel the same? 01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:00.960 Maybe not. 01:36:00.960 --> 01:36:01.960 I don't know. 01:36:01.960 --> 01:36:04.160 Like, if you want to make it side by side. 01:36:04.160 --> 01:36:06.400 But it's not this. 01:36:06.400 --> 01:36:07.400 But it's not this. 01:36:07.400 --> 01:36:08.400 Oh, wait, no. 01:36:08.400 --> 01:36:09.400 This is... 01:36:09.400 --> 01:36:10.400 Oh, wait, no. 01:36:10.400 --> 01:36:11.400 This is the... 01:36:11.400 --> 01:36:12.400 Oh, wait, no. 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:13.400 It is this. 01:36:13.400 --> 01:36:14.400 Wait, hold on. 01:36:14.400 --> 01:36:17.560 This looks a little new. 01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:19.000 I want to click the high definition. 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:20.000 There we go. 01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:21.000 Yeah. 01:36:21.000 --> 01:36:27.740 Click it off. Yeah, this this one actually doesn't look like like very that one actually looks kind of troll 01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:33.920 Compared to that that looks like fairy ochi. I actually kind of want to see this is old dwarf 01:36:34.680 --> 01:36:36.680 Look at click it. Come on. Sorry. Click it 01:36:38.640 --> 01:36:40.640 This is old night elf 01:36:42.520 --> 01:36:45.400 I'm gonna go back a little bit more I think I do with undead too 01:36:48.040 --> 01:36:50.040 This is oh 01:36:50.040 --> 01:36:53.200 Oh, gee, is this human? 01:36:53.200 --> 01:36:54.200 Is this dwarf? 01:36:56.760 --> 01:36:58.560 I was trying to get it where I do undead. 01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:07.920 Crap. 01:37:07.920 --> 01:37:10.080 I don't know where it is. 01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:11.080 I don't know where it is. 01:37:18.600 --> 01:37:19.600 Now whatever. 01:37:20.040 --> 01:37:26.060 Yeah, I don't know the fact that you can like make it look like that. I think it's nice. I think it's pretty nice 01:37:29.280 --> 01:37:31.660 But I think fury will be viable dude 01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:38.240 What time does the beta start tomorrow asking for my you boys over here? 01:37:38.240 --> 01:37:42.340 I actually don't know. I think it's gonna be 3 p.m. PST, but I don't know man 01:37:50.040 --> 01:38:06.200 Oh, here's the undead, let's see if I... 01:38:06.200 --> 01:38:10.440 Undead Paladin haunt. 01:38:10.440 --> 01:38:17.560 Deeding forever can break OG wrath numbers, I hope it doesn't inflate that much. 01:38:17.560 --> 01:38:20.100 I mean, I think they do look a little different. 01:38:20.100 --> 01:38:22.660 I definitely do, but like for me it seems, 01:38:22.660 --> 01:38:24.660 yeah my game crash, I forgot about that. 01:38:28.820 --> 01:38:31.060 I swear I did the undead ones a second ago. 01:38:33.060 --> 01:38:33.900 Maybe it was here. 01:38:39.020 --> 01:38:40.520 I think it was around here. 01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:53.080 why wouldn't you want it back to 12 million players oh I thought he was 01:38:53.080 --> 01:38:58.480 talking about damage numbers like power creep I didn't know he was talking about 01:38:58.480 --> 01:39:02.440 player numbers of course oh you're saying are do you think we're gonna break the 01:39:02.440 --> 01:39:09.520 wrath player number record oh I don't know if it does it would be brief oh I 01:39:09.520 --> 01:39:12.920 don't know I mean I'm sick I haven't thought of that myself that one in my 01:39:12.920 --> 01:39:14.920 It might 01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:44.760 These are OG models, so I think technically they're very 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:49.760 Closed but they're still a little different like any like to answer the question. I guess like to the people on reddit 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:54.560 Like they are slightly different than the classic ones 01:39:55.560 --> 01:39:59.640 It does seem so but to me they seem so close that it's like 01:40:00.280 --> 01:40:04.800 Okay, it's it's fine. The male human face looks a little off to me 01:40:05.920 --> 01:40:09.240 Is that that's a male human face like a little off to you guys? I 01:40:09.240 --> 01:40:16.600 I would need it like an exact side-by-side. The human female face looks almost perfect, but the male human looks like a little off 01:40:19.760 --> 01:40:23.740 The dwarves going trying to go back to dwarves 01:40:26.760 --> 01:40:28.760 It's kind of hard to tell with all the facial hair 01:40:30.480 --> 01:40:37.200 Nidals look similar gnomes look fine female dwarf like this looks exactly to me female dwarf looks like spot-on 01:40:37.200 --> 01:40:42.000 So maybe it depends on what you choose the haircut the face style all that stuff 01:40:42.660 --> 01:40:45.540 It's just because they made weird customizations. I don't know 01:40:52.900 --> 01:40:56.300 Like female gnome that looks like identical identical right 01:40:56.300 --> 01:41:10.660 Okay, so this is what I was talking about when you open the game. 01:41:10.660 --> 01:41:18.660 If you choose classic, it'll turn quest points of interest and objective blubs off. 01:41:18.660 --> 01:41:21.300 So that's questy. 01:41:21.300 --> 01:41:22.420 So I wasn't making that up. 01:41:22.420 --> 01:41:27.420 If you want no questy, you can just turn it off, which is nice. 01:41:35.820 --> 01:41:38.020 Why do you play Ally? I just like Ally a lot. 01:41:38.520 --> 01:41:40.620 For a classic why I like Stormwind, it's fun. 01:41:40.620 --> 01:42:06.800 I'm going to play it when the beta ends before launch, it's like a week in between. 01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:12.680 update on classic UI changes not that I can tell I would love love love love this 01:42:12.680 --> 01:42:20.520 classic box to include the UI are you guys with me on this if it said classic 01:42:20.520 --> 01:42:26.960 user interface oh oh that would just be amazing bro and of course you could do 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:31.320 enhanced as well and it's your choice oh 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:42.220 Definitely no wait how could anyone say no to that? I don't it would just be a choice to then 01:42:42.860 --> 01:42:48.180 You guys you guys trolling me here about how how there was mainly yeses, but there were a few noes 01:42:48.180 --> 01:42:50.560 I was gotta be trolls. It's gotta be one guys 01:42:54.500 --> 01:42:59.940 People saying no like they couldn't pick at hands. That's what I'm saying. How could you ever say no to that? I don't I don't know 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:12.300 Is this all or nothing? 01:43:12.300 --> 01:43:13.300 No. 01:43:13.300 --> 01:43:19.380 You can individually toggle on or off any of these. 01:43:19.380 --> 01:43:23.700 This is just like if you're picking up the game for the first time, it's just going to 01:43:23.700 --> 01:43:27.860 set all your settings one way or the other, but then you can toggle on or off. 01:43:27.860 --> 01:43:34.700 For example, I chose classic, but for one bag, I like one bag on because one bag 01:43:34.700 --> 01:43:35.700 is nice. 01:43:35.700 --> 01:43:40.700 I played one back on, but the rest, I kept Transmog off. 01:43:41.140 --> 01:43:43.420 I think Quest, I'll probably have off. 01:43:43.420 --> 01:43:44.260 I don't know exactly. 01:43:44.260 --> 01:43:45.460 I might turn them on. 01:43:45.460 --> 01:43:48.260 And then obviously standard definition character models. 01:43:53.660 --> 01:43:54.780 Can you explain the difference 01:43:54.780 --> 01:43:56.820 between the default classic UI and retail UI? 01:43:56.820 --> 01:43:59.380 Because without add-ons, they are nearly identical. 01:43:59.380 --> 01:44:01.300 Enjoy the lore slash world. 01:44:05.700 --> 01:44:07.700 Okay, uh, sure 01:44:11.220 --> 01:44:14.540 Yeah, and classic wow, I mean this this actually isn't classic this is 01:44:15.220 --> 01:44:20.900 What is this water something like the name plates look like this or the unit frames look like this the name plates? 01:44:21.500 --> 01:44:23.500 It almost be easier just to log in and show you 01:44:27.180 --> 01:44:31.540 And retail unit frames look like this action bars look like this like 01:44:31.540 --> 01:44:37.260 Yeah, maybe I'm a boomer, bro. Oh my gosh. Like to me it's just like the biggest difference ever 01:44:37.540 --> 01:44:39.540 Hey, here's a good side-by-side look 01:44:40.260 --> 01:44:42.260 Uniframe on 01:44:42.380 --> 01:44:47.380 The lock unit frame here is actually the same guy. It's the same guy on both. This is actually a really good example 01:44:48.540 --> 01:44:50.540 Same guy on both 01:44:52.420 --> 01:44:58.380 Actually, no, I don't know what this is because this has the OG he must be using an add-on for the action bars 01:44:59.300 --> 01:45:01.300 something 01:45:01.540 --> 01:45:06.520 Now, this is classic and he has a retail unit frame, maybe. 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:07.520 I don't know. 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:08.520 No, he's a flying mode. 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:14.740 Yeah, I don't even know what the screenshot is. 01:45:14.740 --> 01:45:24.740 Oh, it's a screenshot of classic UI. 01:45:24.740 --> 01:45:29.220 That makes sense. 01:45:29.220 --> 01:45:31.220 Oh, yeah. 01:45:31.220 --> 01:45:34.660 This is a UI add-on that returns the classic 1.2 retail. 01:45:39.820 --> 01:45:42.020 The big one, the big two, big three, 01:45:42.020 --> 01:45:44.220 unit frames, CASPAR, name plates. 01:45:48.340 --> 01:45:51.820 Will this remove classic unit frames from any two? 01:45:51.820 --> 01:45:53.100 No, shut up. 01:45:53.100 --> 01:45:55.060 I don't believe that. 01:45:55.060 --> 01:45:57.260 I'm logging in right now to prove you wrong. 01:46:01.220 --> 01:46:04.720 I grant talks about UI in this. 01:46:06.080 --> 01:46:10.080 Add-on changes. Yeah, we talked about that already. 01:46:14.800 --> 01:46:19.360 We have to benefit of getting creature comforts from modern like the built-in damage meter, 01:46:19.360 --> 01:46:21.240 the cool-down manager, something I'm not sure if it's going to be a beta, 01:46:21.240 --> 01:46:22.200 but we're planning to add it. 01:46:22.200 --> 01:46:24.960 So the thing is like these are things we normally have to get an add-on for. 01:46:24.960 --> 01:46:26.720 So we're taking this opportunity to help you with that, 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:28.600 but you know, if you want to reskin your UI, 01:46:28.600 --> 01:46:30.340 that's the great thing about wow, right? It's flexible. 01:46:30.340 --> 01:46:33.100 people will come out with classic reskins, modern reskins, 01:46:33.100 --> 01:46:33.940 the whole nine yards, 01:46:33.940 --> 01:46:35.940 they'll be able to get any kind of UI you want. 01:46:37.060 --> 01:46:38.580 This is true. 01:46:38.580 --> 01:46:40.860 Like the UI is a big deal to me, 01:46:41.740 --> 01:46:43.480 but at least I can download an add-on. 01:46:43.480 --> 01:46:45.580 So I, you know, it is what it is. 01:46:45.580 --> 01:46:46.420 It's true. 01:46:46.420 --> 01:46:47.260 I can download it. 01:46:47.260 --> 01:46:49.020 There's someone who will make a classic UI add-on 01:46:49.020 --> 01:46:50.020 and I can download it. 01:46:50.020 --> 01:46:50.860 So it's fine. 01:47:00.340 --> 01:47:09.340 Yeah, yeah, you know, you know frames are still how they normally are excited to just prove that guy real quick. 01:47:15.340 --> 01:47:18.340 Any thoughts on a hunter marksman looks sick serve looks sick. 01:47:18.340 --> 01:47:21.000 BM still looks like BM. 01:47:34.100 --> 01:47:37.740 What differences are there between the UIs? 01:47:37.740 --> 01:47:45.100 Let me see if I can actually give you guys some more concrete examples here. 01:47:45.100 --> 01:48:08.100 I think for the majority of us this is self-explanatory, but for the people asking because it's not 01:48:08.100 --> 01:48:17.780 everyone. The unit frames normally look like this in classic WoW, right? In Forever they look like 01:48:17.780 --> 01:48:21.220 let's actually kind of hidden behind my camera let me play the video. For Forever it's in the 01:48:21.220 --> 01:48:26.020 upper left they look like that when I mouse over it it covers it, right? That's probably like the 01:48:26.020 --> 01:48:37.300 biggest one, right? Traditional WoW unit frames, Forever ones, right? The retail ones. My mentality 01:48:37.300 --> 01:48:40.520 It's like I can download an add-on. So it's not a big deal 01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:47.600 But my mentality is like if you're gonna build a game that is specifically not retail then having the retail unit frames doesn't make a ton of sense 01:48:48.520 --> 01:48:51.320 Anyway, I can download an add-on. It's you know 01:48:51.860 --> 01:48:57.040 The action bars very similar the action bars are very similar. I don't hate the new action bars 01:48:58.040 --> 01:49:00.500 They do look slightly different, but you know, they're fine 01:49:01.760 --> 01:49:05.820 I'm not I'm not too mad the mini map, you know looks a little different 01:49:05.820 --> 01:49:11.500 There's old mini map new one. I don't hate the new mini map new mini map seems fine. It's not retail either by the way 01:49:11.500 --> 01:49:13.820 This is a new mini map just for 01:49:14.740 --> 01:49:16.740 Forever, so that's cool. I 01:49:17.220 --> 01:49:20.420 Probably prefer I would like an option for the old one but like the new one looks fine 01:49:20.460 --> 01:49:26.740 The big one is these turn unit frames party frames, right? They look like futuristic almost like they belong in like a 01:49:27.300 --> 01:49:30.980 Star Wars MMO or something like it's like doesn't feel warcrafty 01:49:30.980 --> 01:49:37.260 What else? Nameplates. Let me see if I can show you guys nameplates here. 01:49:37.260 --> 01:49:42.160 Nameplates are the retail nameplates, right? I like the classic ones just 01:49:42.160 --> 01:49:46.320 because bringing in nameplates from retail. Not a fan. Caspar. Caspar is the 01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:51.060 big other one. Caspar is the retail Caspar. So for me it's like an option to 01:49:51.060 --> 01:49:55.580 just go OG unit frames. OG Caspar and OG nameplates. This is the big three. 01:49:55.580 --> 01:49:59.180 Boom, boom, boom. Back to our normal Caspar. Back to our normal nameplates. 01:49:59.180 --> 01:50:00.980 It's back to our normal Uniframes. 01:50:03.360 --> 01:50:04.600 Done. 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:06.560 Mini map would be nice, action bars would be nice, 01:50:06.560 --> 01:50:08.040 but they don't really matter that much 01:50:08.040 --> 01:50:09.800 because these are close enough, 01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:11.520 but these are very different, right? 01:50:16.360 --> 01:50:18.240 Anyway, for people that don't understand, 01:50:18.240 --> 01:50:19.420 hopefully now you do. 01:50:26.160 --> 01:50:28.360 I, fair enough, haven't played classic in 15 years 01:50:28.360 --> 01:50:29.680 so I couldn't understand the difference. 01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:30.520 Yeah, yeah. 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:31.680 I mean, if you haven't played in a while, 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:34.040 you probably think they'd just like the same. 01:50:34.040 --> 01:50:36.960 But yeah, like the Caspar in classic WoW looks like this. 01:50:39.040 --> 01:50:39.880 Right? 01:50:39.880 --> 01:50:41.720 Caspar here looks like that. 01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:45.640 So anyway, if you don't play, I guess they're small, 01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:48.440 but for us that have spent our entire lives playing, 01:50:48.440 --> 01:50:49.480 it's like, whoa. 01:50:52.360 --> 01:50:56.080 But good news is all UI stuff is very fixable 01:50:56.080 --> 01:50:56.920 with an add-on. 01:50:56.920 --> 01:51:14.920 First timer here. Trying to choose a CL, everything looks cool TBH. I don't know what to pick. I will play PvP and PvE and want to deal DMG. No tanking slash no healing, even if it sounds cool. Can you help me to decide? 01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:21.320 Yeah, welcome in. Thanks for the five. Um, so there's hybrid classes that can do a bit 01:51:21.320 --> 01:51:28.680 of both like a Paladin or like a priest. I think I would need to know more about what 01:51:28.680 --> 01:51:33.360 you enjoy. Not just I like to do damage, but I like to do AoE damage. I like to burst. 01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:38.680 I like consistent pressure. I like to be a tanky damage dealer. I like to be a mobile 01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:44.040 damage dealer. I like to have mobility and burst, right? Like I don't like burst 01:51:44.040 --> 01:51:49.340 in downtime I like very constant pressure like that kind of stuff would point me point could 01:51:49.340 --> 01:51:55.240 help me point you in the right direction. I like mage because mage has mobility and burst 01:51:55.240 --> 01:52:01.480 so that sounds fun to you. Yeah. 01:52:01.480 --> 01:52:10.680 Do you know if you are able to move the action bars to other sections of the screen 01:52:10.680 --> 01:52:17.780 Locking retail edit mode is in the game. I actually don't like Edamone either, but it's hard to explain edit mode is in the game 01:52:18.860 --> 01:52:24.020 So just like retail you can move any of the UI elements around which like overall is a W 01:52:24.020 --> 01:52:28.700 Like it really is it's annoying because it bugs out in certain circumstances, but overall to W 01:52:35.780 --> 01:52:38.880 Why hey edit mode I can go on a 10 minute rant about edit mode 01:52:38.880 --> 01:52:41.120 which I'm not going to do, but like overall to W. 01:52:41.120 --> 01:52:56.920 They're restricting things like weak Auras. I don't think like L of UI would be an issue. 01:52:56.920 --> 01:53:04.260 They're not restricting add-ons. They're making it so combat add-ons are not just like acceptable 01:53:04.260 --> 01:53:07.600 across the board. There's some of the APIs restricted. Like you wouldn't have to worry 01:53:07.600 --> 01:53:14.880 like a UI add-on for example. I wouldn't worry about it. Like on retail, there is enough add-ons 01:53:16.240 --> 01:53:21.200 to replace every weak core that you would have used. The only problem with it is there may be a 01:53:21.200 --> 01:53:26.880 bit more janky, but they still essentially work. In other words, I wouldn't worry about it. I wouldn't 01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:33.600 worry about it. I'm a retail-only player excited for forever and been watching you all day. 01:53:33.600 --> 01:53:39.960 appreciate the perspective yeah thank you brother appreciate it you think for 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:42.960 someone that's never played well forever would be a good start yeah it'd be the 01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:48.200 perfect time to start because everyone's starting fresh aren't you afraid 01:53:48.200 --> 01:53:53.000 everyone's gonna play Paladin and the classes with the most changes I don't 01:53:53.000 --> 01:53:57.200 know maybe I'm a little nervous about mage because it's basically close to 01:53:57.200 --> 01:54:01.720 no changes so we'll see enjoy watching Cielmore excited to get in on the 01:54:01.720 --> 01:54:03.680 ground floor with your lit forever. 01:54:04.880 --> 01:54:06.840 Excuse me, legendary man, legendary. 01:54:10.600 --> 01:54:11.960 Yo five get this. Thanks, bro. 01:54:21.240 --> 01:54:25.760 Wait, if I just play this, people tuning in, I think that I 01:54:25.760 --> 01:54:27.320 have early beta access. 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:30.800 I'm not actually gonna like to bait anyone into thinking that's 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:36.600 I'm just gonna keep this playing in the background because I'm showing off the Blizzcon footage. That's right. Yeah 01:54:36.600 --> 01:54:38.940 That's what I'm gonna do. Oh, here's another one with the UI 01:54:39.120 --> 01:54:46.260 It's the it's the retail spellbook kind of like the pages look like like the talents the spellbook all that kind of stuff 01:54:46.380 --> 01:54:48.380 Professions talents spellbook 01:54:48.540 --> 01:54:51.780 Like all of that kind of stuff. I'm a little less concerned about this stuff though 01:54:51.780 --> 01:54:56.160 I feel like it doesn't matter quite as much like the big three or like the cast bar nameplate's uniframe 01:54:56.160 --> 01:54:58.160 I think 01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:04.480 Did you ask why KonaCold doesn't work well in the demo? 01:55:04.480 --> 01:55:09.420 It might be because Lee Wei works differently, I'm not 100% sure, but I was having trouble 01:55:09.420 --> 01:55:15.180 like landing KonaCold as a lifelong mageman. 01:55:15.180 --> 01:55:16.900 So it just felt weird. 01:55:16.900 --> 01:55:21.540 I think maybe Lee Wei is not in it, is my best guess. 01:55:21.540 --> 01:55:25.940 So that might affect how it feels, I don't know. 01:55:25.940 --> 01:55:26.940 Skill issue? 01:55:26.940 --> 01:55:28.100 Yeah guys, maybe it's a skill issue. 01:55:28.100 --> 01:55:30.100 It's real hard to hit. Who knows? 01:55:36.100 --> 01:55:39.100 It sure seemed to work differently. Yeah, it felt like... 01:55:39.600 --> 01:55:43.100 Yeah, it felt like the movement. Something about like the movement with like leeway. 01:55:43.100 --> 01:55:46.100 Like normally if you just like jump and press conical, it hits so far. 01:55:46.100 --> 01:55:50.100 But in this, it was like, I had to be like on top of them. It was weird. 01:55:58.100 --> 01:56:09.540 I wonder if they converted the retail engine or updated the classic one. 01:56:09.540 --> 01:56:13.020 I think they converted the retail one. 01:56:13.020 --> 01:56:14.020 Will they fix the fog? 01:56:14.020 --> 01:56:16.460 What do you mean by fix? 01:56:16.460 --> 01:56:19.420 How important are racials are for PVE and PVP from age? 01:56:19.420 --> 01:56:22.340 I mean, no one looks disgustingly overpowered. 01:56:22.340 --> 01:56:25.300 Like they look pretty darn good. 01:56:25.300 --> 01:56:27.880 Did they talk about respect costs? 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:30.240 With so many changes and talents to play, 01:56:30.240 --> 01:56:31.840 how rigid will be respect? 01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:33.280 I don't know about the respect costs. 01:56:33.280 --> 01:56:34.680 Hopefully it's a little less. 01:56:36.160 --> 01:56:38.100 Polypul says after a bliss kind of a percentage 01:56:38.100 --> 01:56:39.720 is when you give these three feelings 01:56:39.720 --> 01:56:41.120 about the directions of Classic Plus. 01:56:41.120 --> 01:56:42.820 Hopeful, worried and surprised. 01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:49.320 Hopeful, I would say like 60, 70% worried, 20% surprised. 01:56:55.300 --> 01:57:22.120 I didn't see the trailer, um, but yeah, we did obviously play the game, do you know how 01:57:22.120 --> 01:57:24.120 How did it get dual spec? I think it would be like at 40. 01:57:37.120 --> 01:57:39.120 Was it the same client you played at BlizzCon? 01:57:40.120 --> 01:57:43.120 No, it was definitely much different. Like there was less updates. 01:57:46.120 --> 01:57:47.120 Dual spec, yeah, dual spec will be a thing. 01:57:48.120 --> 01:57:51.120 No leeway means ruined. I don't know. Like I said, I don't want to confirm that. 01:57:52.120 --> 01:57:56.620 Like something was off. I don't know what it is. Maybe it was leeway. Maybe it was something else. I don't know 01:57:57.400 --> 01:58:00.500 The ticks brother the mana ticks those need to be fixed 01:58:02.740 --> 01:58:07.140 What's leeway it's a mechanic that was added in classic that basically 01:58:07.900 --> 01:58:11.000 If you jump or move your spells have a larger radius 01:58:11.440 --> 01:58:15.840 So people learn to play around it like with arcane explosion or for us 01:58:15.840 --> 01:58:20.480 No, but Kona cold before you use them you would jump or move you wouldn't stand still to get longer range 01:58:20.480 --> 01:58:26.080 but it seems like it feels like I might be gone. I can't tell exactly. I don't know. 01:58:26.080 --> 01:58:31.960 I will the new undead passive proc off dots from a lock if so I feel like that might make 01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:39.720 undead warlock OP. Probably would. I played undead and the ratio was about 4% of my overall 01:58:39.720 --> 01:58:47.720 damage on a paladin and a dungeon, which is pretty high. Here's what I will say. 01:58:47.720 --> 01:59:01.680 And like I think it is silly to be concerned about the strength or weakness of anything. 01:59:01.680 --> 01:59:05.480 I say this every time there's a retail expansion. 01:59:05.480 --> 01:59:07.000 I say this every time. 01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:08.760 Tier lists are so silly. 01:59:08.760 --> 01:59:11.720 Guys, the game is going to come out. 01:59:11.720 --> 01:59:13.680 Everything is going to be broken. 01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:17.640 There's gonna be changes and hot fixes and patches 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:20.600 that are gonna flip everything around. 01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:22.800 And then there's gonna be new stuff that's broken 01:59:22.800 --> 01:59:24.260 and then they're gonna change it again. 01:59:24.260 --> 01:59:26.080 So don't be concerned with, 01:59:26.080 --> 01:59:28.480 oh, this is doing 4%, it should do two. 01:59:28.480 --> 01:59:29.760 Like that's just such a silly thing 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:31.000 to think about right now. 01:59:31.000 --> 01:59:34.320 What are we, what should we be thinking about? 01:59:34.320 --> 01:59:38.500 Rotations, is the class fun to play? 01:59:38.500 --> 01:59:40.960 Is it too many buttons, is it too complex? 01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:42.000 Is it too simple? 01:59:42.000 --> 01:59:43.800 Those are the questions that matter right now 01:59:43.800 --> 01:59:45.400 because tuning is gonna happen. 01:59:46.280 --> 01:59:47.240 Isn't that the point of beta? 01:59:47.240 --> 01:59:50.080 No, man, so this needs to be said. 01:59:50.080 --> 01:59:51.880 This is too high IQ for the chat. 01:59:51.880 --> 01:59:53.280 God, clearly this needs to be said 01:59:53.280 --> 01:59:56.280 if people are losing it right here. 01:59:56.280 --> 01:59:59.680 Like the strength of anything is completely irrelevant 01:59:59.680 --> 02:00:01.960 because there will be tuning passes. 02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:04.600 Strength does not matter at all in anything right now 02:00:04.600 --> 02:00:06.200 because it's going to be fixed. 02:00:06.200 --> 02:00:10.040 That what are gonna be improved and changed and whatever. 02:00:10.040 --> 02:00:13.560 But what does matter is rotations. 02:00:13.560 --> 02:00:16.000 Numbers don't matter in a beta, exactly. 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:18.240 They're completely irrelevant in a beta. 02:00:18.240 --> 02:00:20.640 They're supposed to suck, and they're all 02:00:20.640 --> 02:00:22.560 going to be all over the place. 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:25.960 The point is, is the class fun to play? 02:00:25.960 --> 02:00:27.280 Is it dynamic? 02:00:27.280 --> 02:00:29.160 Is it interesting? 02:00:29.160 --> 02:00:30.240 This and that. 02:00:30.240 --> 02:00:33.200 So hopefully, that makes sense to you guys. 02:00:33.200 --> 02:00:35.680 I feel like I've said this every retail expansion 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:36.840 since the start of time. 02:00:39.520 --> 02:00:41.200 Every class has two buttons. 02:00:41.200 --> 02:00:43.360 No, no, a lot of classes are more like three to five, 02:00:43.360 --> 02:00:44.880 which is still not crazy, but 02:00:46.240 --> 02:00:47.480 mage doesn't seem dynamic. 02:00:47.480 --> 02:00:49.360 Yeah, mage is the one that I think 02:00:49.360 --> 02:00:50.360 after reviewing yesterday, 02:00:50.360 --> 02:00:52.660 I definitely need some work on the rotation. 02:00:54.320 --> 02:00:56.440 What's so important about mana ticks? 02:00:56.440 --> 02:00:59.760 Mana ticks and energy ticks really dictate 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:02.320 how the game is played in PvP. 02:01:02.320 --> 02:01:04.040 I think in PvE, they don't matter 02:01:04.040 --> 02:01:09.500 quite as much so a little bit but it's kind of a big deal because you can time 02:01:09.500 --> 02:01:16.660 something like an evokate or an ambush or a drink or an eats, server ticks are 02:01:16.660 --> 02:01:20.420 kind of how the game is played in PvP. 02:01:26.980 --> 02:01:31.760 Not trying to be funny is this retailer the new one it is this is 02:01:31.760 --> 02:01:36.480 Forever, which by the way is one of the reasons I would love new unit frames and new cast bar 02:01:37.200 --> 02:01:41.760 or not new, but I guess like the you know the classic one, like I want it to look and feel different. 02:01:49.360 --> 02:01:56.320 Manitics are an arc, our product of old architecture just been it. So I disagree and the 02:01:56.320 --> 02:02:00.880 reason I disagree is like, if you've ever played a RuneScape, they have a tick based system as 02:02:00.880 --> 02:02:04.040 as well, and it is based on old architecture. 02:02:04.040 --> 02:02:07.440 So you're right, like it is 100% based on old architecture, 02:02:07.440 --> 02:02:10.360 but the entire style of the game 02:02:10.360 --> 02:02:13.760 has then been created around that old architecture. 02:02:13.760 --> 02:02:16.040 So the way in which you play the game 02:02:16.040 --> 02:02:19.880 is based on these ticks and removing them 02:02:19.880 --> 02:02:22.360 fundamentally changes how you play the game. 02:02:22.360 --> 02:02:25.040 So the game has evolved and built upon 02:02:25.040 --> 02:02:26.440 the tick-based system. 02:02:26.440 --> 02:02:29.800 So changing that is just like changes the game 02:02:29.800 --> 02:02:31.520 like way too much, right? 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:36.160 If you keep the ticks, you keep that style of gameplay. 02:02:36.160 --> 02:02:37.560 But it is based on all architecture, 02:02:37.560 --> 02:02:39.800 but it was like a happy accident in the sense 02:02:39.800 --> 02:02:42.760 that like shadow word death wasn't necessarily 02:02:42.760 --> 02:02:46.600 meant to break a polymorph, it's old game design, 02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:48.800 but removing that is also silly 02:02:48.800 --> 02:02:50.480 because it's cool as heck, right? 02:02:50.480 --> 02:02:51.880 And it changes how we play. 02:02:53.880 --> 02:02:58.280 Vanishing a death coil wasn't necessarily 02:02:58.280 --> 02:03:04.960 supposed to happen, but it's based on old architecture, but vanishing a pyroblaster, vanishing a deathcoil is also really cool, 02:03:04.960 --> 02:03:12.060 has a skill gap, and also changes the way we play the game. So we're moving it because it's old architecture. It's in a very strong point, so... 02:03:12.960 --> 02:03:15.460 Anyway, yeah, it's old architecture, but it doesn't mean it should be gone. 02:03:18.460 --> 02:03:23.000 It's called Emergent Mechanics. Yeah, that's exactly what it's called. We watched a video on that, like, last year. 02:03:23.560 --> 02:03:25.060 Emergent Mechanics, yeah. 02:03:28.280 --> 02:03:34.120 don't you want ogres I don't care about ogres too much if they eventually out of 02:03:34.120 --> 02:03:38.360 them like it would be cool but it's not like my number one wish list I like elves 02:03:38.360 --> 02:03:41.840 a lot personally my number one favorite would have been high elves and 02:03:41.840 --> 02:03:48.040 forsaken elves that would have been sick but sky born you know I guess they're 02:03:48.040 --> 02:04:07.040 higher variance so it's kind of kind of like that. 02:04:07.040 --> 02:04:10.040 Did we ever figure out what the squirrel looking school on your bar does? 02:04:10.040 --> 02:04:12.040 It's just an oversight Gabby, it's not supposed to be there. 02:04:12.040 --> 02:04:17.040 I think they're just gonna remove it. 02:04:17.040 --> 02:04:22.560 fun will the game be if the beta only goes to 30? I think they just don't want us to see too much. 02:04:22.560 --> 02:04:25.520 I mean I think we'll get a like a really good idea of how the game feels. 02:04:30.320 --> 02:04:35.440 The reason people don't like the Skyborne races is that it feels like Blizzard saw the Blood Elves 02:04:35.440 --> 02:04:40.880 are the most played race and thought, let's make up some lore so we can sell them to both factions. 02:04:41.440 --> 02:04:46.480 They were never mentioned before. Yeah, fair enough. I think there's legitimate reasons to 02:04:46.480 --> 02:04:52.800 not like them. Yeah, fair enough. I think as someone who likes playing blood elves, someone 02:04:52.800 --> 02:04:57.280 who likes elves, someone who likes high elves, like I don't mind them, but I can, I totally 02:04:57.280 --> 02:05:01.480 get why people don't like them, bro. Like I get it. It doesn't actually bother me, 02:05:01.480 --> 02:05:03.040 I get it, you know? 02:05:25.800 --> 02:05:26.640 I think. 02:05:31.480 --> 02:05:38.320 Is rage gained normalized or scales with damage as it always has been? 02:05:38.320 --> 02:05:40.960 I would have to play a warrior to check. 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:47.480 I would assume it works the way it does on retail if that's an answer to your question. 02:05:47.480 --> 02:05:53.000 Just for clarity, is the tic system really gone, or is the game client just interpolating 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:54.840 the points over time? 02:05:54.840 --> 02:05:59.320 If you sit and drink, does your mamu immediately increase? 02:05:59.320 --> 02:06:01.040 It immediately increases, you can see it right now 02:06:01.040 --> 02:06:02.640 as I'm drinking in the game. 02:06:02.640 --> 02:06:04.560 So the TIC system is really gone. 02:06:04.560 --> 02:06:07.900 It's not just interpolating, nice word. 02:06:14.320 --> 02:06:15.760 What's wrong with the major rotation? 02:06:15.760 --> 02:06:19.640 It's just simplistic, very simplistic, two buttons. 02:06:20.480 --> 02:06:22.760 Which is maybe not a massive issue, 02:06:22.760 --> 02:06:26.280 but it's the, I reviewed every class in the game 02:06:26.280 --> 02:06:28.480 and it's the most simplistic out of any of them, 02:06:28.480 --> 02:06:29.780 Which maybe isn't an issue. 02:06:29.780 --> 02:06:31.660 Maybe mages are just gonna be like the easiest, 02:06:31.660 --> 02:06:33.620 most simple class in the game to play. 02:06:36.600 --> 02:06:37.440 As I die. 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:41.000 Our vanished dodge is gone. 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:42.840 No, I think they're still being the game. 02:06:46.960 --> 02:06:48.160 Always has been. 02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:50.920 Guys, no. 02:06:50.920 --> 02:06:51.760 What are we talking? 02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:54.600 No, no, no. 02:06:54.600 --> 02:07:11.760 Absolutely not. 02:07:11.760 --> 02:07:16.560 Focus on the games are stop dying guys this is a recording okay this is a recording these 02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:20.560 are both of my hands I'm just talking over the recording to have something in the background 02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:25.560 for talking. Okay, just to be very clear here. 02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:35.560 Timmy, thanks for the problem. 02:07:38.560 --> 02:07:42.560 Two, two at max level. That's the conversation. 02:07:42.560 --> 02:07:46.560 Two for Frost, two for Arcane, fire us four. 02:07:46.560 --> 02:07:49.120 I uh, that's what we were talking about yesterday 02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:08.060 How was the new dungeon to play it was it was hard it was it was hard like you you had to go very slow you had to see see 02:08:10.560 --> 02:08:15.600 If you pull two two packs you'll probably die unless everyone's dialed like it's 02:08:16.560 --> 02:08:18.400 It wasn't super easy. 02:08:25.560 --> 02:08:26.400 Thoughts on camping? 02:08:26.400 --> 02:08:27.720 I think it's okay. 02:08:27.720 --> 02:08:28.640 Is there a cool on manager? 02:08:28.640 --> 02:08:29.640 No, not right now. 02:08:30.720 --> 02:08:32.680 Is it kinda difficult for Mage? 02:08:32.680 --> 02:08:35.560 It's the same difficulty as Classic. 02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:38.160 I don't even think it's like TBC difficult right now. 02:08:39.840 --> 02:08:41.440 I miss actually sheeping and freezing mobs 02:08:41.440 --> 02:08:42.800 off to the side on a pole. 02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:44.840 Yeah, it should feel kinda like that. 02:08:46.560 --> 02:08:56.360 These SD models look odd. I don't know. I don't have a big problem with them as someone who 02:08:56.360 --> 02:09:00.920 cares. I think they're going to reintroduce Arcane Barrage. I could see them doing that. 02:09:00.920 --> 02:09:05.920 I could see Arcane Barrage being added. I don't really know about for fire, frost, 02:09:05.920 --> 02:09:10.920 maybe Icy Veins, but it's a tough one. 02:09:20.080 --> 02:09:21.560 There's a video with professions 02:09:21.560 --> 02:09:23.160 with all new profession updates. 02:09:23.160 --> 02:09:25.520 Yeah, I've seen bits and pieces of that. 02:09:25.520 --> 02:09:26.920 I haven't seen that video though. 02:09:29.040 --> 02:09:31.120 Best horde races for a mage? 02:09:32.520 --> 02:09:33.360 I don't even know. 02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:35.200 Kind of depends if you want a PVP or PVE. 02:09:35.200 --> 02:09:37.700 I don't know which one's gonna do the min max damage. 02:09:40.260 --> 02:09:41.480 Do you think they'll charge real money 02:09:41.480 --> 02:09:43.080 for new races in the future? 02:09:47.040 --> 02:09:49.240 As much as I hate to say it, 02:09:49.240 --> 02:09:52.360 I think that does seem to be their monetization model. 02:09:52.360 --> 02:09:54.040 It's spelled batching the same, man. 02:09:54.040 --> 02:09:55.040 So that chronicle miss, 02:09:55.040 --> 02:09:56.440 that would never miss in classic. 02:09:56.440 --> 02:09:57.840 I'm gonna watch that again. 02:10:01.400 --> 02:10:03.280 Like this is what I was talking about. 02:10:05.200 --> 02:10:09.640 100% that never misses in Classic. 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:11.560 I've done that like a million times. 02:10:11.560 --> 02:10:14.640 That's the thing, it's like, I don't know if that's leeway. 02:10:20.840 --> 02:10:22.600 I don't know how that misses. 02:10:22.600 --> 02:10:24.840 That's the tick maybe, something. 02:10:24.840 --> 02:10:26.660 No ticks, yeah, I don't know what that is, 02:10:26.660 --> 02:10:29.080 but that kept happening to me 02:10:29.080 --> 02:10:32.000 where I'm like I can't hit my abilities, I don't know. 02:10:32.000 --> 02:10:33.360 Sucks but we'll get used to it. 02:10:33.360 --> 02:10:34.800 Yeah, I mean, something. 02:10:36.880 --> 02:10:38.920 Wait, crap, what were we just talking about? 02:10:40.640 --> 02:10:42.640 Spell batching, I think it's the same. 02:10:48.640 --> 02:10:51.320 Oh, races? 02:10:51.320 --> 02:10:52.560 Oh, paid races, yeah. 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:55.200 So it seems like, so none of us knew 02:10:55.200 --> 02:10:56.880 how they were gonna monetize. 02:10:56.880 --> 02:10:59.320 It seems like the monetization model they went with 02:10:59.320 --> 02:11:02.600 is it's free with a sub, just like sod. 02:11:02.600 --> 02:11:05.520 But every time they had a new race, it'll be 30 bucks. 02:11:05.520 --> 02:11:08.320 That's what it seems like the model is. 02:11:08.320 --> 02:11:10.280 I don't know about you guys, 02:11:10.280 --> 02:11:12.800 but that seems like we got off cheaper 02:11:12.800 --> 02:11:14.080 than any of us expected. 02:11:14.080 --> 02:11:18.200 Like that seems, that seems way cheaper. 02:11:18.200 --> 02:11:20.240 Like I thought it was gonna be like a $60 box price 02:11:20.240 --> 02:11:23.440 or a second sob or like this or that. 02:11:23.440 --> 02:11:26.840 Like that is cheaper than I think any of us thought. 02:11:27.840 --> 02:11:29.340 So can't be mad about it. 02:11:32.600 --> 02:11:59.200 Maybe that conical visual now actually has to hit the target, which actually seems like 02:11:59.200 --> 02:12:09.760 good change. It's hard to explain if you don't play a mage. But the way KonaCold works and 02:12:09.760 --> 02:12:14.080 pretty much always has worked is when you hit the key you have to be looking at your target. 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:19.360 Some people are impossible to please. I'm gonna mute this real quick. After you move, 02:12:20.400 --> 02:12:26.240 the animation continues. So you could like hit it looking at the target and move, 02:12:26.240 --> 02:12:31.800 And then the cone of clothing will move with you and it looks like you're your cone of clothing like an entire area 02:12:31.800 --> 02:12:37.320 But what matters is where you hit the cone when you hit the key bind not at the end of the cast 02:12:37.400 --> 02:12:39.600 It's the start of the cast right when you hit it 02:12:40.000 --> 02:12:43.760 So it's hard to any mage out there is gonna know what I'm talking about 02:12:45.160 --> 02:12:48.400 Like right there, you know like you you hit the cone and then move 02:12:48.720 --> 02:12:51.880 So I like it already is that way in other words 02:12:52.080 --> 02:12:55.920 But it doesn't like look that way and it's kind of confusing if you haven't played a mage 02:12:56.240 --> 02:12:58.240 Some people are impossible, please. 02:12:58.240 --> 02:13:00.240 This is pretty close to the best-case scenario 02:13:00.240 --> 02:13:01.240 in terms of monetization. 02:13:01.240 --> 02:13:03.240 Obviously, we don't know what the future holds, 02:13:03.240 --> 02:13:04.240 but I'm satisfied for now. 02:13:04.240 --> 02:13:06.240 Yeah, I would agree. 02:13:06.240 --> 02:13:08.240 I think this does seem like best-case scenario 02:13:08.240 --> 02:13:10.240 for monetization, yeah. 02:13:18.240 --> 02:13:21.240 The animation lasts longer than the actual cast, yeah. 02:13:26.240 --> 02:13:38.480 Can I make warden ally characters on same pvp roam slash account? 02:13:38.480 --> 02:13:41.080 We don't really know yet, but I would assume you could. 02:13:41.080 --> 02:13:49.880 But don't quote me since we don't really know yet. 02:13:49.880 --> 02:13:51.560 Can you make a fire build with hot streak? 02:13:51.560 --> 02:13:52.560 I've tried. 02:13:52.560 --> 02:13:53.560 It's brutal. 02:13:53.560 --> 02:14:08.760 I'm going to play ally. 02:14:08.760 --> 02:14:16.000 I dab on showback's chat, said factions are locked once you pick one. 02:14:16.000 --> 02:14:23.440 Wait, so on an account, if I pick Alliance on PvP, I can never make a horde unless I 02:14:23.440 --> 02:14:24.480 I delete my alliance? 02:14:24.480 --> 02:14:25.480 That seems weird. 02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:32.520 If I want to make a horde after I do a whole new account, 02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:33.600 that seems weird. 02:14:39.080 --> 02:14:40.840 I'm going to wait till that's officially announced, 02:14:40.840 --> 02:14:42.520 but that seems very off. 02:14:42.520 --> 02:14:53.360 That's how it works right now. 02:14:53.360 --> 02:14:54.960 Well, there's more than one realm. 02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:56.200 You just do another realm. 02:14:56.200 --> 02:14:58.360 But since there's no more realms, it's per account. 02:14:58.360 --> 02:15:01.400 So no, that's not how it works right now. 02:15:01.400 --> 02:15:03.900 there's multiple realms, you can have many per account. 02:15:12.900 --> 02:15:15.900 They teased potentially adding new CL. 02:15:15.900 --> 02:15:20.900 The pay for race monetization fits a pay for CL set up nicely. 02:15:20.900 --> 02:15:21.900 Maybe. 02:15:21.900 --> 02:15:22.900 What's on if that happens? 02:15:22.900 --> 02:15:25.400 Yeah, that might be the case, that might be the case. 02:15:26.900 --> 02:15:29.900 One realmless server equals one faction per account? 02:15:29.900 --> 02:15:30.900 Yeah. 02:15:30.900 --> 02:15:35.120 Yeah, yeah, my conical just kept missing over and over and over I could not land them 02:15:54.500 --> 02:15:57.500 You dying to bleach yeah that bleeds you you're just like that it's crazy 02:16:00.900 --> 02:16:02.900 PvP rule set 02:16:07.060 --> 02:16:15.820 Hey, Zah love your streams, but I don't think you'll go to retail take for arenas is fair sure retail arena is a mess and is apples and oranges 02:16:16.300 --> 02:16:23.600 Compared to TBC slash Roth arenas which feel infinitely better. True. The CL arena community feels let down right now 02:16:23.780 --> 02:16:25.780 Well, you can play TBC and wrap 02:16:25.780 --> 02:16:27.780 but personally you're at the rena's too. 02:16:36.780 --> 02:16:38.780 That might work, that seems kinda interesting. 02:16:42.780 --> 02:16:44.780 Yeah, thanks for the five men. 02:16:44.780 --> 02:16:48.780 Yeah, I mean, who knows man, maybe one day the latter rena's. 02:16:48.780 --> 02:16:53.780 I just think like, you can't satisfy everyone with this game, you can't. 02:16:53.780 --> 02:16:58.220 If you try to satisfy everyone with this game the game will be retail 02:16:58.780 --> 02:17:02.580 The game will turn into retail if you try to satisfy everyone 02:17:04.780 --> 02:17:06.780 You have to say no to certain things 02:17:16.020 --> 02:17:19.380 I have no idea about any of that man. I have no clue how that's gonna work 02:17:23.780 --> 02:17:27.700 Do you know if you can see people of different rule sets? 02:17:27.700 --> 02:17:29.060 I would assume not. 02:17:29.060 --> 02:17:31.420 I would assume the rule sets guys is there's 02:17:31.420 --> 02:17:35.380 essentially four mega servers, a PVP mega server, 02:17:35.380 --> 02:17:38.180 a PVE mega server, an RP mega server, 02:17:38.180 --> 02:17:40.060 and a hardcore mega server. 02:17:40.060 --> 02:17:42.380 I think to my understanding, that's how it works. 02:17:42.380 --> 02:17:44.900 And instead of, oh, did I choose the right server? 02:17:44.900 --> 02:17:46.580 Did I choose the wrong server? 02:17:46.580 --> 02:17:48.100 Oh, we have too many servers. 02:17:48.100 --> 02:17:49.060 We don't have enough servers. 02:17:49.060 --> 02:17:50.340 It's just four mega servers. 02:17:50.340 --> 02:17:51.380 That's how I understand it. 02:17:53.780 --> 02:17:59.780 There's no wrong server. You just like, do you want a PvP, PvE, RP? Whatever. 02:18:02.780 --> 02:18:08.780 Why not just call them servers and just have one server of each? You could. 02:18:08.780 --> 02:18:14.780 But this almost in a set, like it's not what we're used to, but in a sense almost makes more sense to a new player. 02:18:14.780 --> 02:18:17.780 It's like, why have a server selection if there's only one? 02:18:17.780 --> 02:18:20.780 Instead, it's just, do you want a PvP or PvE? 02:18:20.780 --> 02:18:27.380 To a new player, this actually makes more sense, but to us, it is kind of confusing. 02:18:27.380 --> 02:18:33.540 I think this is like, I think to a new player, it makes a ton of sense. 02:18:33.540 --> 02:18:47.700 Login, RP, hardcore, PvE, PvP, done, choose, play. 02:18:47.700 --> 02:18:49.140 Can you switch? I don't think so. 02:18:52.340 --> 02:18:54.740 TBC timeline dead, mop timeline dead. 02:18:54.740 --> 02:18:56.340 We'll see what they say, man. 02:18:59.540 --> 02:19:00.700 Thoughts on the ping system? 02:19:00.700 --> 02:19:01.540 I think it's cool. 02:19:01.540 --> 02:19:02.380 I think it's cool. 02:19:02.380 --> 02:19:03.340 Especially after playing league. 02:19:03.340 --> 02:19:04.180 That's cool. 02:19:05.380 --> 02:19:06.220 What time is beta? 02:19:06.220 --> 02:19:08.580 Sorry, I would assume three tomorrow, but I don't know. 02:19:17.700 --> 02:19:21.540 What about killed banks not sure? 02:19:23.620 --> 02:19:27.100 PST, three PSTs but I'm gonna assume I don't know. 02:19:27.100 --> 02:19:35.100 How do you anticipate managing things like city slash general chat with this new semi layer-in type system? 02:19:35.100 --> 02:19:37.100 Um... 02:19:38.100 --> 02:19:42.100 Yeah, I don't know. I think the way... 02:19:42.100 --> 02:19:46.100 Is there any info for RBGs from the kitchen? 02:19:46.100 --> 02:19:50.420 No info on RBGs. RBGs, I think I would like a little bit more than Arena, but still the 02:19:50.420 --> 02:19:55.340 rating system is like maybe kind of troll, but they would have mentioned something. So 02:19:55.340 --> 02:20:01.180 I don't think RBGs are in, but like to me, RBGs are a lot more classic like than Arena. 02:20:01.180 --> 02:20:04.660 And I think would be quite fun, but it's still the issue of people sitting in a city 02:20:04.660 --> 02:20:09.340 and queuing. But I mean, I've talked about this for years, guys. We've had these 02:20:09.340 --> 02:20:17.700 conversations for literally years. My preference is like a 1v1 dueling arena. If they don't 02:20:17.700 --> 02:20:23.500 do that, then like RBGs would be my preference from there. If they don't do that, then like 02:20:23.500 --> 02:20:29.420 arenas would be my lowest preference, right? Like I think the best case scenario is some 02:20:29.420 --> 02:20:36.420 type of out in the world, not instanced 1v1 area to hang out and duel and wager and 02:20:36.420 --> 02:20:41.160 It's like a leaderboard of like people going out and actually a physical leaderboard maybe like that 02:20:41.340 --> 02:20:43.340 That was the coolest thing 02:20:50.220 --> 02:20:53.820 I don't think so actually I don't know about that I 02:20:57.500 --> 02:21:02.120 Think they might have made it easier to do that don't yeah, don't quote me on that 02:21:02.120 --> 02:21:10.000 But, when I did questing, I did it solo on the demo, and I can't remember. 02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:11.560 Think there might be shared loot. 02:21:11.560 --> 02:21:13.960 Would you change anything on WoW forever? 02:21:13.960 --> 02:21:14.960 Yes. 02:21:14.960 --> 02:21:17.760 You'll actually be back into this amazing stream. 02:21:17.760 --> 02:21:19.240 Changed from Brazil. 02:21:19.240 --> 02:21:21.480 I would change things, yeah. 02:21:21.480 --> 02:21:25.880 Yes, I would change a decent amount. 02:21:25.880 --> 02:21:30.760 It's not my perfect game, but I would say that a lot of it I like. 02:21:30.760 --> 02:21:32.760 It got the big things right for me, 02:21:32.760 --> 02:21:35.280 but there's a lot I would change. 02:21:35.280 --> 02:21:37.100 The biggest being, 02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:41.080 the number one biggest thing that I would change 02:21:41.080 --> 02:21:44.640 if I was in charge is I wouldn't have built it 02:21:44.640 --> 02:21:45.920 on the retail 02:21:49.320 --> 02:21:51.040 what's engine? 02:21:51.040 --> 02:21:53.000 I would have built it on the classic one. 02:21:53.000 --> 02:21:54.600 I like that's my biggest change. 02:21:54.600 --> 02:21:55.440 Number one, 02:21:56.480 --> 02:21:59.240 I would not have, I wouldn't have built it through retail. 02:22:00.760 --> 02:22:19.680 I know you don't like arenas in CL, but would you add it down the road in a year? 02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:24.420 Probably not, but I think like it depends on what the community wants. 02:22:24.420 --> 02:22:28.000 If it's like a massive outrage and that's what everyone wants, I'm like, you know, 02:22:28.000 --> 02:22:32.940 You had to listen to the community, but I think RBG's make more sense or a 1v1 dueling 02:22:32.940 --> 02:22:43.520 area like we just talked about. 02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:48.880 What do you think of 2v2 open world duels if we're in a two man party dueling another 02:22:48.880 --> 02:22:50.120 two man party? 02:22:50.120 --> 02:22:51.640 So New World had that. 02:22:51.640 --> 02:22:52.640 That is an interesting idea. 02:22:52.640 --> 02:22:55.440 Yeah, kind of like that. 02:22:55.440 --> 02:22:56.440 Do we know yet? 02:22:56.440 --> 02:22:58.440 Ah, we don't know, we don't know yet. 02:23:16.760 --> 02:23:18.760 No, no, no. 02:23:19.560 --> 02:23:21.560 No, betas is for fun, man. 02:23:23.640 --> 02:23:25.640 Curry, thanks for the bribe. 02:23:26.440 --> 02:23:31.440 Let's go beta, baby. 02:23:31.440 --> 02:23:38.440 Bit of hope. 02:23:38.440 --> 02:23:42.440 The CL engine is the retail engine. 02:23:42.440 --> 02:23:44.440 The classic engine is the retail engine? 02:23:44.440 --> 02:23:48.440 I don't think that's true. 02:23:48.440 --> 02:23:51.440 The animations seem to be like not quite retail but not quite classic. 02:23:51.440 --> 02:23:53.000 To be honest, I don't mind the animation. 02:23:53.000 --> 02:23:53.760 They look OK to me. 02:24:04.360 --> 02:24:05.440 It's the Legion engine. 02:24:05.440 --> 02:24:07.720 Yeah, to my knowledge, that is true. 02:24:07.720 --> 02:24:12.960 It's like a I think when they built like mop, 02:24:12.960 --> 02:24:15.680 it was from Legion, Legion Engine or something like that. 02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:23.920 Opinion on first-last name? I don't mind it. I don't mind it. It also seems like it's 02:24:23.920 --> 02:24:34.560 necessary for mega servers. How scary was the shark boss? I don't think you're supposed 02:24:34.560 --> 02:24:49.040 to kill that thing in just one shot. 02:24:49.040 --> 02:24:50.680 Are we forced into the first, last name? 02:24:50.680 --> 02:24:51.680 Yes. 02:24:51.680 --> 02:24:52.680 Are you going to level its frost? 02:24:52.680 --> 02:24:53.680 I don't know yet. 02:24:53.680 --> 02:24:56.520 Maybe, yeah, probably start its frost. 02:24:56.520 --> 02:24:57.840 Arcane looks fun. 02:24:57.840 --> 02:25:00.680 Fire, we'll see. 02:25:00.680 --> 02:25:07.120 buffs are do not exist in raids. How close are the XP rates to classic vanilla? I think 02:25:07.120 --> 02:25:15.400 they're about the same. Can you hide last name? You can, but it's still like there. 02:25:15.400 --> 02:25:16.740 Bob Rage, thanks for the sub. 02:25:22.360 --> 02:25:24.520 Did you invent a third button to arcane? 02:25:24.520 --> 02:25:25.360 Not really. 02:25:30.020 --> 02:25:34.080 These are SD character models with HD graphics. 02:25:36.600 --> 02:25:37.960 With progressing horizontally, 02:25:37.960 --> 02:25:39.680 I hope that they make chase items worth it 02:25:39.680 --> 02:25:41.560 so that there's a good reason to run the old raids. 02:25:41.560 --> 02:25:42.880 Yeah, I agree, I agree. 02:25:45.400 --> 02:25:54.400 People should use their last name as their Ochi surfer, that could be sick. 02:25:54.400 --> 02:25:59.840 Can you turn off the HD graphics, no, no. 02:25:59.840 --> 02:26:10.040 Am I concerned about stream snipers, maybe a little bit, but it is what it is. 02:26:10.040 --> 02:26:13.480 What is a chase item, an item that's really good from an old raid that you have to 02:26:13.480 --> 02:26:22.660 keep going for with like a lower drop rate for beta I was gonna chat with soda 02:26:22.660 --> 02:26:27.540 about it I wouldn't mind going horde for beta if we're gonna play ally on launch 02:26:27.540 --> 02:26:35.340 but we're gonna chat more about it I think tomorrow like DSD yeah exactly SD 02:26:35.340 --> 02:26:38.500 models still feel off I think you're right I think they do feel a little off 02:26:38.500 --> 02:26:42.660 but like for me they're close enough as someone who really cares. 02:26:45.380 --> 02:26:50.100 Wait, you can't turn off retail graphics. So the actual graphics in terms of the game and the UI 02:26:50.740 --> 02:26:54.740 are retail and you can't turn them off. Actually, that's not entirely true. 02:26:54.740 --> 02:26:58.260 Some of the graphics they built just for classic WoW like the water 02:26:59.060 --> 02:27:04.660 and some of these lighting things. Classic forever has it and retail doesn't. In other words, 02:27:04.660 --> 02:27:07.740 There's some things in this that look better than retail. 02:27:09.260 --> 02:27:10.620 Which is pretty sick. 02:27:11.820 --> 02:27:14.620 Like, I think some retail andes are gonna be like, 02:27:14.620 --> 02:27:16.860 holy crap, how does this game look better than ours? 02:27:17.860 --> 02:27:18.700 Yeah. 02:27:24.020 --> 02:27:25.700 I'm turning off fog first thing tomorrow. 02:27:25.700 --> 02:27:28.500 Yeah, we'll see how the sliders and stuff work tomorrow. 02:27:34.660 --> 02:27:48.580 Who's you said stream snipers are going to be too much for PvP? 02:27:48.580 --> 02:27:54.500 We'll see, we'll see. 02:27:54.500 --> 02:27:58.900 I think I'll play on PvP no matter what since I'm going to play a mage. 02:27:58.900 --> 02:28:02.940 I think it might be annoying if it's too annoying, 02:28:02.940 --> 02:28:04.440 I'll have to level in a group. 02:28:06.100 --> 02:28:08.220 And if it's even more annoying than that, 02:28:08.220 --> 02:28:10.220 we'll have to get our raid together. 02:28:10.220 --> 02:28:12.080 But like, maybe that'll be fun. 02:28:12.080 --> 02:28:12.920 Who cares? 02:28:12.920 --> 02:28:15.380 Like it's not like I'm from a race of 60. 02:28:15.380 --> 02:28:18.860 It might just mean like a permanent like war going on, 02:28:18.860 --> 02:28:19.900 which could be sick. 02:28:28.900 --> 02:28:41.280 get down mr. President take it slow yeah I am going to I'm definitely leveling 02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:45.840 without recid XP I'm definitely leveling I don't know if I'm gonna turn off like 02:28:45.840 --> 02:28:50.200 the built-in quest II I probably will I'm gonna intentionally level very slow 02:28:50.200 --> 02:28:54.100 I'm gonna try to be like the last one to 60 like I want to have a journey bro 02:28:54.100 --> 02:29:00.380 I want to have some fun like I probably will still level like somewhat fast in the sense. I'm playing eight hours a day 02:29:01.060 --> 02:29:03.060 But I'm not like gonna be 02:29:03.820 --> 02:29:07.780 Pushing for like no, we're gonna be chilling out. It should be fun 02:29:07.780 --> 02:29:21.100 I'm gonna enjoy my second playthrough dude. 02:29:21.100 --> 02:29:25.780 I mean bro you do you it's your choice but like you only get your first playthrough once. 02:29:25.780 --> 02:29:30.220 I would say the opposite second playthrough go for a speedrun third playthrough go for 02:29:30.220 --> 02:29:36.100 a speedrun first playthrough just enjoy it man just enjoy that first playthrough man 02:29:36.100 --> 02:29:39.540 You only get your first play through once. 02:29:39.540 --> 02:29:42.620 I learned my lesson in 2019. 02:29:42.620 --> 02:29:44.340 I'm going to mute this real quick. 02:29:44.340 --> 02:29:49.340 In 2019, guys, I played for 16 hours a day. 02:29:49.340 --> 02:29:51.980 I did only AOE grinding. 02:29:51.980 --> 02:29:54.180 I hit max super fast. 02:29:54.180 --> 02:29:57.620 I burnt myself out and ended up quitting. 02:29:57.620 --> 02:29:59.860 I don't want that to happen again. 02:29:59.860 --> 02:30:01.980 I don't want that to happen again. 02:30:01.980 --> 02:30:04.260 I want to just chill and level slow. 02:30:04.260 --> 02:30:07.940 I'm gonna like just have a have a fun time and that's it 02:30:09.820 --> 02:30:13.340 Since you've never done it this would be a fantastic time to do a playthrough where you read all the quests 02:30:13.340 --> 02:30:16.220 I did that actually my lock, but I might do it again. Yeah 02:30:17.700 --> 02:30:20.620 On my lock if you missed that I did a 02:30:21.620 --> 02:30:24.140 Playthrough with no questy no basically no add-ons 02:30:24.140 --> 02:30:27.700 I think I did use a few but like basically no like questing add-ons or help add-ons 02:30:27.700 --> 02:30:31.140 And I just had to read every quest and figure it out and it was fun 02:30:32.260 --> 02:30:34.100 It was fun 02:30:34.100 --> 02:30:44.700 No rush you have a month like I'll hit level 60 within a month for sure I'll probably hit 02:30:44.700 --> 02:30:52.940 60 within I'll probably get 60 within three weeks or even two and a half weeks but like 02:30:52.940 --> 02:30:57.140 I'm saying versus trying to do it in like six days or something like crazy that's what 02:30:57.140 --> 02:31:01.300 I did like last time it came out. I did it so fast. It was like awful 02:31:04.020 --> 02:31:06.740 But I'll probably hit it in two or three weeks 02:31:07.540 --> 02:31:11.600 Which and then uh, you know, whatever and then start grinding for that first raid 02:31:27.140 --> 02:31:32.620 Yeah, no, maybe it'll be three and a half. I don't know. We'll see. 02:31:41.060 --> 02:31:45.540 Guys, you have to keep in mind I'm playing for like eight to ten hours a day, 02:31:45.540 --> 02:31:50.420 right? So like three weeks when you're playing eight to ten hours a day is 02:31:50.420 --> 02:31:54.980 plenty of just mess around doing nothing. Like, yeah, I think the skill 02:31:54.980 --> 02:31:58.680 It's different if you play like a couple hours a day. 02:31:58.680 --> 02:31:59.520 If you play a couple hours a day, 02:31:59.520 --> 02:32:02.200 it'll take like two to three months, four months, 02:32:02.200 --> 02:32:03.420 literal months. 02:32:08.440 --> 02:32:11.280 Yeah, so it'll be like in that three-ish week rank, 02:32:11.280 --> 02:32:12.120 I think. 02:32:14.280 --> 02:32:15.920 10 hours a day is casual. 02:32:15.920 --> 02:32:17.560 You know, it's funny, 02:32:17.560 --> 02:32:20.280 because you're probably joking, 02:32:20.280 --> 02:32:21.640 but when TBC came out, 02:32:21.640 --> 02:32:24.960 I was playing only eight to 10 hours a day. 02:32:24.960 --> 02:32:28.560 and everyone was like shunning me that I was leveling too slow 02:32:30.240 --> 02:32:32.880 because ampy's already been 70 for a week and like 02:32:33.760 --> 02:32:36.240 I was still like level 68 or whatever and I'm like guys 02:32:37.840 --> 02:32:39.840 all right man 02:32:45.120 --> 02:32:48.240 this time around I'm actually gonna read quests and have an adventure yeah yeah 02:32:48.240 --> 02:32:50.400 and for me that's totally what this one's gonna be about man 02:32:50.400 --> 02:32:55.380 I would maybe I'll even play with no no built-in questie 02:33:04.360 --> 02:33:11.780 Three weeks is something like eight days played at like eight to ten hours a day. Yeah, which is very slow. That's exactly right. Yep 02:33:20.400 --> 02:33:24.400 You already have the built-in help? Yeah, I might turn the built-in help off. 02:33:24.400 --> 02:33:26.400 We'll see how I feel though. 02:33:33.400 --> 02:33:36.400 I'm not going to play until Hardcore releases. I'm going to play Hardcore without Questy. 02:33:36.400 --> 02:33:40.400 Yeah, sure. Maybe no Questy is like the Hardcore edition. 02:33:40.400 --> 02:33:53.400 It's hilarious on how many people are going to use Questy when it's a new game of classic. 02:33:53.400 --> 02:33:54.400 It's built in now. 02:33:54.400 --> 02:33:56.000 Questy's built in now. 02:33:56.000 --> 02:33:59.680 You can turn it off though. 02:33:59.680 --> 02:34:00.680 Our add-on supported. 02:34:00.680 --> 02:34:07.560 Yeah, but it's going to be restricted like retail, which is basically not a big deal. 02:34:07.560 --> 02:34:20.080 turn exact date on hardcore now. I thought beta opened September 17th, yeah, it's tomorrow. 02:34:20.080 --> 02:34:28.080 We don't know what time. Classic UI add-on first day out, I hope so. Can Blizzard crit, 02:34:28.080 --> 02:34:30.080 That's a good question. I don't know. 02:34:34.080 --> 02:34:36.080 Will I play Classic Era again? 02:34:37.080 --> 02:34:39.080 I hope not. 02:34:40.080 --> 02:34:42.080 Well, I don't know. Okay, that might have come off wrong. 02:34:43.080 --> 02:34:44.080 Let me rephrase. 02:34:45.080 --> 02:34:50.080 I hope Classic Forever is good enough to where I don't feel the need to go back to Classic Era. 02:34:51.080 --> 02:34:56.080 In other words, if I'm playing Classic Era in a year from now, 02:34:56.080 --> 02:34:58.080 That means classic forever failed 02:34:59.020 --> 02:35:02.340 So I hope not in that sense does that make sense like I 02:35:03.680 --> 02:35:07.440 Want to be so addicted to this game that I don't feel the need to go back 02:35:10.440 --> 02:35:12.440 So we'll see 02:35:16.680 --> 02:35:20.520 You will go back guys if we go if we end up all going back to era 02:35:23.000 --> 02:35:25.840 That means like this game failed right like that like I 02:35:26.080 --> 02:35:31.080 I don't want that to be the case, imagine in like two or three years from now we're all playing Classic Hardcore on Era. 02:35:36.080 --> 02:35:37.080 We'll see. 02:35:38.080 --> 02:35:39.080 We will. 02:35:41.080 --> 02:35:43.080 We'll see. We'll see, maybe. 02:35:48.080 --> 02:35:50.080 I mean I suppose you could play both. 02:35:51.080 --> 02:35:54.080 I suppose you could play both. You could play Era and then also play this. 02:35:56.080 --> 02:36:04.080 The leveling journey should be like similar, yeah. 02:36:04.080 --> 02:36:11.600 The biggest thing I'm worried about is Power Creep with gear, um, yeah. 02:36:11.600 --> 02:36:16.840 I don't know if I'm like, like super concerned, but I'm a little concerned with Power Creep, 02:36:16.840 --> 02:36:17.840 yeah. 02:36:17.840 --> 02:36:19.080 This UI has to go. 02:36:19.080 --> 02:36:20.480 You can turn this UI back right. 02:36:20.480 --> 02:36:24.400 Yeah, the UI is what I'm, I'm the most concerned about the UI, but you can download 02:36:24.400 --> 02:36:46.160 an add-on so I guess it's chill. Yeah, the UI is my big problem. 02:36:46.160 --> 02:36:59.560 There's no toggle, no. 02:36:59.560 --> 02:37:01.960 If your biggest problem is the UI, it's pretty good. 02:37:01.960 --> 02:37:03.760 Yeah, that's fair. 02:37:03.760 --> 02:37:05.400 That's very true. 02:37:05.400 --> 02:37:09.920 My biggest problem can be fixed in 10 seconds with an add-on. 02:37:09.920 --> 02:37:13.040 That's pretty good. 02:37:13.040 --> 02:37:15.040 True. 02:37:15.040 --> 02:37:22.700 My big worry is lag at launch. Well, you don't have to worry because that will happen. So 02:37:22.700 --> 02:37:29.700 I won't be mysterious anymore. 02:37:52.700 --> 02:38:05.900 Any predictions for how bad the Q-timers will be? It'll probably be pretty bad. Yeah. I've 02:38:05.900 --> 02:38:14.580 no idea. Paul Nadine says, super excited for forever, but do you think we'll get Wrath? 02:38:14.580 --> 02:38:17.940 I was looking forward to play Wrath Endgame because I only focused on questing growing 02:38:17.940 --> 02:38:32.940 up. I don't know. I did ask Blizzard and they said it will find out soon. So we'll see. 02:38:32.940 --> 02:38:39.940 Wow forever doesn't have a satisfying acronym like TBC RAF. What if we call it just wow 02:38:39.940 --> 02:38:58.940 Wow, F. Wow, FRA. Wow, for, uh, wow. Wow. Wow, wow, FEE. Wow, FEE. Wow, for, e. Wow, 02:38:58.940 --> 02:39:09.380 forever wow wow yeah true true true 02:39:14.700 --> 02:39:20.980 here's are you I have a suggestion for you seal twist question TVH it is very 02:39:20.980 --> 02:39:26.060 bad in forever or not very bad but the buff when twisting seals should just 02:39:26.060 --> 02:39:32.700 last three seconds and not till next hit emo. I haven't actually played with the 02:39:33.340 --> 02:39:38.940 seal twist I've just read the ability and the ability seemed to read fine but maybe you're right. 02:39:41.260 --> 02:39:42.460 Yo crewmate thanks for the T1. 02:39:45.660 --> 02:39:46.620 Shane thanks for the prime. 02:39:49.740 --> 02:39:53.100 Yo. Who was my favorite person in the meet and create? 02:39:53.100 --> 02:40:03.720 Dude, I don't know, dude, I met literally hundreds of people this past week, maybe more 02:40:03.720 --> 02:40:08.680 than hundreds, could be like a thousand, no maybe that's too many, literal hundreds 02:40:08.680 --> 02:40:09.680 though. 02:40:09.680 --> 02:40:17.100 It was cool meeting Pops, it was cool meeting Chibae, it was cool meeting a lot of people 02:40:17.100 --> 02:40:18.520 then. 02:40:18.520 --> 02:40:22.400 We all know it was Chibae, I mean, yeah, meeting Chibae was lit. 02:40:22.400 --> 02:40:28.720 I've already met Joker before it actually didn't smell that bad at BlizzCon this year 02:40:28.720 --> 02:40:33.880 I don't think I don't know if people were taking more showers than they usually do but it actually wasn't too bad 02:40:33.880 --> 02:40:52.020 They cranked the AC bro the event was actually really cold was anyone else have blizzcon freezing 02:40:52.020 --> 02:40:57.220 like they were actually blasting the AC I was in shorts because normally at conventions 02:40:57.220 --> 02:40:59.720 I was like, I'm sure it's the one over here, but it was cold. 02:41:12.660 --> 02:41:14.360 Yes, I had to buy my fiancee a hoodie. 02:41:14.360 --> 02:41:16.240 Yeah, I definitely could have put a hoodie on. 02:41:16.240 --> 02:41:17.240 Yo guys, I'm gonna go to the restaurant, 02:41:17.240 --> 02:41:18.080 we'll be right back. 02:41:18.080 --> 02:41:19.640 We'll just give this footage playing in the background. 02:41:19.640 --> 02:41:20.760 We'll be right back, let's see. 02:41:20.760 --> 02:41:21.600 Wow. 02:44:57.220 --> 02:45:04.340 Alright guys we're back. We're back, we're back, we're back. Apollo, thanks for the sub. 02:45:04.340 --> 02:45:12.620 Rush, thanks for the frimes. Stain, thanks for the frimes. Plush, thanks for the frimes. 02:45:12.620 --> 02:45:17.220 It'll be mage first playthrough, because you know, I'm a mage. Second playthrough, it's 02:45:17.220 --> 02:45:22.140 gonna be a warrior or a paly. We'll see what I'm feeling like. Probably a warrior, 02:45:22.140 --> 02:45:24.140 I don't know though. 02:45:24.140 --> 02:45:26.340 Yo, check, they're allowing downloading for beta. 02:45:32.460 --> 02:45:36.540 One year best content, less than three forever hype. 02:45:36.540 --> 02:45:38.140 Yo, mudfellow, thanks to the front. 02:45:46.020 --> 02:45:48.100 Blizzard can crit, that's crazy. 02:45:52.140 --> 02:46:01.560 Uh, do I hope for W for handles gearing for future content updates at 60? 02:46:01.560 --> 02:46:04.320 What do you mean by that, Justin? 02:46:04.320 --> 02:46:09.440 Dambon, thanks for the sub, dude. 02:46:09.440 --> 02:46:11.440 What is the point in playing beta? 02:46:11.440 --> 02:46:14.160 Uh, fun. 02:46:14.160 --> 02:46:16.640 I actually do understand what you're saying, though. 02:46:16.640 --> 02:46:21.240 Um, like I actually try not to go too crazy sometimes when, um, there's a new 02:46:21.240 --> 02:46:27.920 expansion with like alphas and like trying to min-max and do everything. 02:46:27.920 --> 02:46:32.740 What is cool about this beta is it's only capped at level 20 and then level 30. 02:46:32.740 --> 02:46:37.040 So we're not going to be able to discover like the raid for example. 02:46:37.040 --> 02:46:44.460 So for example, like on retail, sometimes you can like do some of the new raid or 02:46:44.460 --> 02:46:49.800 on like TBC or Wrath, you could play like the PTR and hit like Black Temple before 02:46:49.800 --> 02:46:50.800 it's out. 02:46:50.800 --> 02:46:52.640 and that kind of stuff because it's like, 02:46:52.640 --> 02:46:54.840 no, I want to experience the raid 02:46:54.840 --> 02:46:58.280 as I'm experiencing the raid, right? 02:46:58.280 --> 02:47:00.280 But yeah, let's level 20 and 30, 02:47:00.280 --> 02:47:02.280 like it should just be a lot of fun. 02:47:07.800 --> 02:47:09.280 Am I gonna roll Horde for the beta? 02:47:09.280 --> 02:47:11.000 I'm gonna chat with Savix and Soda 02:47:11.000 --> 02:47:13.000 and like see what everyone wants to do. 02:47:20.800 --> 02:47:28.880 I would assume, yeah. 02:47:28.880 --> 02:47:30.560 So does landing alliance. 02:47:30.560 --> 02:47:31.960 I'm down to play ally. 02:47:31.960 --> 02:47:40.520 I'm down to play ally. 02:47:40.520 --> 02:47:42.080 Yeah, it's confirmed downloadable. 02:47:42.080 --> 02:47:43.140 I'll try reopening. 02:48:08.800 --> 02:48:10.140 Yeah, I don't know. 02:48:10.520 --> 02:48:16.920 Tier sets our data mind on Wowhead. 02:48:16.920 --> 02:48:20.720 We saw some of these already. 02:48:20.720 --> 02:48:38.600 Yeah, I can't believe Wowhead already has this like. 02:48:38.600 --> 02:48:45.600 Okay. 02:48:49.600 --> 02:48:51.600 New legacy system calculator. 02:48:51.600 --> 02:48:55.600 Oh my gosh, Wowhead has a talent tree calculator already. 02:49:01.600 --> 02:49:03.600 Wait, is this stuff on the new stuff? 02:49:03.600 --> 02:49:06.600 Oh, it does. Wow, Wowhead already has this too. 02:49:07.600 --> 02:49:09.600 Crazy 02:49:13.080 --> 02:49:15.080 Let's see I 02:49:17.680 --> 02:49:20.440 Don't see the tear gear 02:49:22.360 --> 02:49:29.560 From what I saw at blizzcon the major one looked pretty bad. Oh here it is raid tears that day to mine spoilers posted two minutes ago 02:49:29.560 --> 02:49:37.000 I've already seen like what we saw like four of them on at blizzcon. I don't know if I've seen all eight 02:49:38.640 --> 02:49:41.660 Guys spoilers should we click this? 02:49:48.520 --> 02:49:51.840 I feel like I've already seen the mage one 02:49:51.840 --> 02:50:00.080 Spoilers new forsaken paladin mounts. I mean we we all saw this right 02:50:02.800 --> 02:50:07.780 Wait like they showed this at blizzcon hold on let me let me let me go full cam so I don't spoil you guys 02:50:07.780 --> 02:50:09.780 I'm gonna make sure 02:50:12.180 --> 02:50:14.180 Yeah, it's just the one we saw a blizzcon 02:50:15.040 --> 02:50:19.660 That is that's not really a spoiler. They should they literally showed this at blizzcon. By the way looks amazing 02:50:21.840 --> 02:50:29.280 Looks really sick. That's the epic one. That's the normal. We saw these they look sick 02:50:31.840 --> 02:50:33.840 I think I love these bro 02:50:35.040 --> 02:50:37.040 I 02:50:38.600 --> 02:50:40.600 Think I might look at the 02:50:40.760 --> 02:50:45.980 Tearsets with full full cam so I don't spoil you guys to see if they're the same ones we saw at blizzcon 02:50:47.560 --> 02:50:49.560 Yeah, they're the same ones we already saw 02:50:49.560 --> 02:50:53.560 This isn't really spoilers. We've already seen these. 02:50:53.560 --> 02:50:59.560 I guess I'll show them. 02:50:59.560 --> 02:51:03.560 If you don't want spoiled, look away, close the tab. 02:51:03.560 --> 02:51:06.560 I'm going to show them in five, four, three. 02:51:06.560 --> 02:51:10.560 We've already seen this on BlizzCon. If you watch the panel, two, one. 02:51:10.560 --> 02:51:13.560 Okay. So this was the true one we saw. 02:51:13.560 --> 02:51:17.560 I like this one. I like this one. 02:51:17.560 --> 02:51:21.560 you know it looks it looks pretty cool uh hunter i think they did a really good job with 02:51:22.280 --> 02:51:28.120 hunter looks really sick uh we saw this one too mage we did see this one as well 02:51:29.080 --> 02:51:33.240 i don't like it ah i don't like it bro it looks soft dude 02:51:35.400 --> 02:51:42.840 ah actually you know what let's go to the um how they look on classic models i don't like it 02:51:42.840 --> 02:51:46.980 Oh, I don't like the Mage one, bro. 02:51:46.980 --> 02:51:47.820 Dang it. 02:51:49.020 --> 02:51:50.420 That's so annoying. 02:51:53.620 --> 02:51:55.780 Oh, yeah, we're on Eskimo. 02:51:57.500 --> 02:51:58.700 The helmet's bad. 02:52:00.740 --> 02:52:02.600 Yeah, I don't like any of it. 02:52:02.600 --> 02:52:03.440 Dang it. 02:52:03.440 --> 02:52:06.220 Okay, so Hunter's cool, Druid's cool. 02:52:06.220 --> 02:52:07.780 Mage awful. 02:52:07.780 --> 02:52:08.700 Pali. 02:52:11.340 --> 02:52:12.340 Pali's cool. 02:52:12.340 --> 02:52:14.980 I like Polly, that's in line. 02:52:14.980 --> 02:52:18.540 Priest, okay, Priest actually like, 02:52:18.540 --> 02:52:21.620 but it looks a little retail-y, the helmet. 02:52:21.620 --> 02:52:23.580 I actually like it though, 02:52:23.580 --> 02:52:25.740 but it looks a little retail-y to me. 02:52:27.620 --> 02:52:29.100 Looks pretty modern. 02:52:29.100 --> 02:52:31.360 I must say though, I think it looks cool. 02:52:31.360 --> 02:52:32.400 Rogue. 02:52:39.140 --> 02:52:40.740 Yeah, okay. 02:52:40.740 --> 02:52:46.700 It's all right. I don't know if I love it shaman. I like that's cool. That feels very shaman doesn't feel too modern 02:52:47.320 --> 02:52:49.320 lock 02:52:51.120 --> 02:52:55.460 I mean it's cool, but it looks maybe a bit modern like priest and warrior 02:52:55.480 --> 02:53:00.820 Okay warrior is cool, but it also looks a little on the modern end especially the helmet. It's mainly the helmet 02:53:02.400 --> 02:53:08.120 Overall, I like I think they did an okay job. My favorites are druid and hunter. I 02:53:08.120 --> 02:53:13.900 I think Sherwin and Hunter I think are my two favorites my least favorite is mage 02:53:15.900 --> 02:53:17.900 Bro 02:53:17.900 --> 02:53:23.200 How do they do mage like that? How do they do mage like that? Do we all agree mage is the worst? I 02:53:24.040 --> 02:53:26.040 Mean the mage is bad 02:53:27.320 --> 02:53:30.160 It is literally my least favorite yeah the mage one's bad 02:53:34.240 --> 02:53:36.240 I just so soft 02:53:38.120 --> 02:53:47.520 well whatever bro it's what it is I still gonna play mage wait what if what if I 02:53:47.520 --> 02:53:56.120 just made a warrior or a Pali now I have to do a mage right I have to do a 02:53:56.120 --> 02:53:59.120 What if I just made a warrior, bro? 02:54:08.120 --> 02:54:11.120 Nah, I'll still keep Mog off. We gotta stick to that. 02:54:16.120 --> 02:54:20.120 I think I have to be a mage, right guys? I pretty much have to be. 02:54:20.120 --> 02:54:25.120 But dude, like, I think I might actually like warrior more. I don't even know. 02:54:26.120 --> 02:54:28.560 We'll see what happens on the beta. 02:54:28.560 --> 02:54:30.500 Maybe I'll play both on the beta and think like, 02:54:30.500 --> 02:54:32.780 all right, what's happening here? 02:54:32.780 --> 02:54:35.600 Have you seen that all item stats are going to be 02:54:35.600 --> 02:54:37.460 obfuscated, won't know stats in 02:54:37.460 --> 02:54:39.900 here until that specific item drops in your server? 02:54:39.900 --> 02:54:43.200 No, but let's chat about that because that's really cool. 02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:44.980 Where did you see that? 02:54:44.980 --> 02:54:47.460 Because let me bring up like an article. 02:54:48.820 --> 02:54:52.140 I do want to chat about that. 02:54:56.120 --> 02:55:03.120 The MMORPG interview with Agrand, I think I had that up yesterday. 02:55:26.120 --> 02:55:36.520 where I pass it control f off you skate 02:55:36.520 --> 02:55:46.320 okay how are you guys thinking about how to keep the discovery for players who want that 02:55:46.320 --> 02:55:52.080 oh boy so I have something to tell you one of the things we're doing is we're actually 02:55:52.080 --> 02:55:58.560 obfuscating all items in the game so you will not see an item stats until it drops for you 02:55:59.360 --> 02:56:04.720 until it drops for someone on your server so that means you will not go into the first raid 02:56:04.720 --> 02:56:14.560 tier knowing what your base list is oh my gosh that is insane yes yes yes yes the first week 02:56:14.560 --> 02:56:20.320 will be the wild west of people getting items and going up on wowhead or whatever that has a 02:56:20.320 --> 02:56:25.600 transformative effect on what early on that early meta. There's a degree of what players will discover 02:56:25.600 --> 02:56:29.120 things and they'll write guides and they'll be business. There will be a kind of meta, but I 02:56:29.120 --> 02:56:32.400 think one of the things we're committed to doing is continuing to kind of shake that up. 02:56:34.480 --> 02:56:38.000 I'm surprised more people aren't talking about this. This is probably the biggest W, 02:56:38.560 --> 02:56:44.000 like one of the biggest W's of anything we've seen. That is insane. What does that mean? 02:56:44.000 --> 02:56:48.240 So the way it works right now is things are datamined before the content comes out, 02:56:48.240 --> 02:56:54.580 You know every single drop that could drop and then you just know exactly what your best and slot items are and you just go for them 02:56:54.960 --> 02:56:58.660 What this means is you won't know what drops from a boss 02:56:59.160 --> 02:57:05.320 You don't like there's gonna be like this 1% drop chance items that people might not even know about for a few weeks or whatever and 02:57:06.240 --> 02:57:07.800 it's like 02:57:07.800 --> 02:57:12.160 When something drops you're just like oh my gosh. What is that kind of like when you first played the game? 02:57:12.200 --> 02:57:13.960 It's not gonna be like 02:57:13.960 --> 02:57:16.080 Okay, I know every single item from every boss 02:57:16.080 --> 02:57:28.600 us instantly. That is so cool. That is so cool. 02:57:28.600 --> 02:57:32.320 Read the next paragraph. Okay, good call. We're not in a no-changed world. We're going 02:57:32.320 --> 02:57:35.440 to make adjustments to classes. We're going to make adjustments to all kinds of different 02:57:35.440 --> 02:57:39.040 things. And that includes the content. You won't know what raid bosses you're going 02:57:39.040 --> 02:57:42.520 to fight until you go in them for the first time. There's not going to be a dungeon 02:57:42.520 --> 02:57:46.240 telling you what to do at first and I think for some classic players that's 02:57:46.240 --> 02:57:49.760 gonna be an adjustment right that's amazing I think we're gonna capture as 02:57:49.760 --> 02:57:52.960 much of that surprise and discoveries possible and the other thing I'll say is 02:57:52.960 --> 02:57:56.360 that we have discoveries not quite in the same way as they were in season 2 02:57:56.360 --> 02:57:59.960 discovery where player power was gated behind them we have a ton of secrets just 02:57:59.960 --> 02:58:03.760 prepped through the world yeah this is awesome like this is really cool bro 02:58:03.760 --> 02:58:08.920 like you're gonna go when you won't even know the the fights the bosses 02:58:08.920 --> 02:58:22.000 the drops you're just just pulling like that that is so cool. I love it you're 02:58:22.000 --> 02:58:24.920 telling me classic players actually have to think in a raid I mean the raid 02:58:24.920 --> 02:58:32.480 should presumably still be somewhat easy comparatively but like I think we to 02:58:32.480 --> 02:58:35.200 think about this objectively it whatever what it really comes down to is 02:58:35.200 --> 02:58:40.400 how many wipes do you need on a boss to kill it in an average group? If you plug a group, 02:58:40.400 --> 02:58:47.480 if you go in with a guild that isn't crazy committed, how many wipes? If it's 500 wipes 02:58:47.480 --> 02:58:52.180 to kill a boss, that's too much for most people, most pugs, most guilds, they would fall apart 02:58:52.180 --> 02:58:57.260 and the game would be tough to play for the majority of people. For a classic WoW, 02:58:57.260 --> 02:59:01.420 even 100 wipes is too much. So like retail, if you want to mid the grade, you got 02:59:01.420 --> 02:59:05.920 they used to 100 plus wipes. That's just how it works. Even if you want a heroic raid, 02:59:05.920 --> 02:59:10.080 that last boss, heroic raid for a lot of guilds is going to take more than 100 wipes. That's 02:59:10.080 --> 02:59:17.640 just how it works. Or a pug, right? So for this game, the question is then, how many 02:59:17.640 --> 02:59:24.120 wipes is acceptable for the content? And an average pug or an average guild, how 02:59:24.120 --> 02:59:31.620 How many wipes are people going to be able to be okay with with it's not too easy, but 02:59:31.620 --> 02:59:32.620 it's not too hard. 02:59:32.620 --> 02:59:37.260 And in my opinion, I'm curious what you guys think, but in my opinion, one shotting is 02:59:37.260 --> 02:59:38.260 not okay. 02:59:38.260 --> 02:59:41.660 Like you shouldn't be able to just one shot everything, like that's too easy. 02:59:41.660 --> 02:59:45.460 Even two or three pulls is too easy for like, especially an end boss of new content. 02:59:45.460 --> 02:59:48.980 Like you want it to take more than one to three pulls. 02:59:48.980 --> 02:59:55.140 starting couple bosses maybe in that like 5 to 10 pull range is probably acceptable but for an end 02:59:55.140 --> 03:00:03.860 boss I don't know probably more than that 10 to 20 25 pulls for a last boss is probably in a pretty 03:00:03.860 --> 03:00:07.860 good spot you need to figure it out you got to figure out what to do but it shouldn't be like 100 03:00:07.860 --> 03:00:13.700 200 300 pulls that's too hard for most classic players to want to just play sit down and play 03:00:13.700 --> 03:00:20.700 play the game. So I don't know, somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. 03:00:24.700 --> 03:00:27.700 Sorry, you do absolutely not have to play a mage, play what you want. 03:00:28.700 --> 03:00:33.700 I feel like a little pressure to play a mage because I've always been a mage main, 03:00:34.700 --> 03:00:39.700 but we'll see. Like I do want to play a mage. I just, I don't know. 03:00:39.700 --> 03:00:42.700 I don't know if it looks as fun as some other classes. Like I'm going to be 03:00:42.700 --> 03:00:48.260 honest like warrior looks so fun like I'll have a bunch of alts it won't matter 03:00:48.260 --> 03:00:57.020 like I'll play them all but yeah we'll see 03:00:58.580 --> 03:01:03.460 warlock warlock affliction affliction lock looks so cool shadow priest looks so 03:01:03.460 --> 03:01:06.860 fun like there's a lot of stuff that looks fun so we'll see we'll see we'll 03:01:06.860 --> 03:01:20.420 I would assume there are but yeah I don't I don't 100% know. I'm gonna play with the PvP ruleset 03:01:20.420 --> 03:01:30.220 PvP ruleset for sure. My wife is pregnant. She's due November 5th. Yeah congratulations man massive 03:01:30.220 --> 03:01:31.580 Congrats. 03:01:31.580 --> 03:01:32.660 Timing sometimes. 03:01:42.020 --> 03:01:43.460 Annie is also due in November? 03:01:43.460 --> 03:01:45.340 Yeah, I know, I know. 03:01:45.340 --> 03:01:49.820 I was chatting with Annie right before the announcement 03:01:49.820 --> 03:01:53.260 and I asked her, I was like, so, you know, 03:01:53.260 --> 03:01:54.100 when are you due? 03:01:54.100 --> 03:01:55.740 And she said November. 03:01:55.740 --> 03:01:57.260 And I was like, okay, congratulations. 03:01:57.260 --> 03:01:59.140 And she was like, yeah, I'm kinda nervous 03:01:59.140 --> 03:02:02.060 about the timing, I was like, oh yeah, we'll see, 03:02:02.060 --> 03:02:03.900 we'll see, it'll be all good no matter what. 03:02:03.900 --> 03:02:06.220 And then they announced November, 03:02:06.220 --> 03:02:08.540 and I looked over and Annie just seemed devastated, 03:02:08.540 --> 03:02:12.540 but the thing is for someone like Annie 03:02:12.540 --> 03:02:16.580 or the guy in my chat, video games are fun. 03:02:16.580 --> 03:02:17.820 They're great, right? 03:02:17.820 --> 03:02:19.700 They're really awesome. 03:02:19.700 --> 03:02:24.260 But when you're looking back at your old, looking back, 03:02:24.260 --> 03:02:28.340 like those first few years are so special. 03:02:29.220 --> 03:02:31.020 And it's gonna matter so much more 03:02:31.020 --> 03:02:32.580 than any video game ever would, right? 03:02:32.580 --> 03:02:35.660 Like spending time with your son or daughter 03:02:35.660 --> 03:02:38.100 and those precious first few weeks, 03:02:38.100 --> 03:02:39.740 first few months, first few years, 03:02:39.740 --> 03:02:42.300 it is like way better than any of this, right? 03:02:42.300 --> 03:02:43.140 So. 03:02:43.140 --> 03:02:45.140 It's all good, man. 03:02:54.260 --> 03:03:01.400 Oh target dummies to like hit to theory craft. Oh, I don't know about target dummies 03:03:01.620 --> 03:03:06.880 That's a good question. I thought you meant target dummies like engineering target dummies my bad. I actually misunderstood you 03:03:07.760 --> 03:03:09.820 I don't know about target dummies 03:03:10.700 --> 03:03:12.700 to theory craft on I 03:03:12.980 --> 03:03:14.980 Don't know about that. I don't know 03:03:17.840 --> 03:03:19.840 Joe's in thanks to the gifted man 03:03:24.260 --> 03:03:28.420 I'm sure there will be I mean, I don't know 03:03:42.020 --> 03:03:45.580 What race would I play if I played a warrior I would have to relook at them 03:03:46.460 --> 03:03:50.740 For like through the lens of a warrior, but I probably just sent human. I don't know 03:03:50.740 --> 03:03:55.820 If I played Pali, I would go Undead. 03:03:55.820 --> 03:03:57.980 Like it's just too cool not to. 03:03:57.980 --> 03:04:03.380 It's just so cool. 03:04:03.380 --> 03:04:04.980 I don't think I would play Torren. 03:04:04.980 --> 03:04:07.140 I just, I don't like playing Torrens. 03:04:07.140 --> 03:04:13.700 I like humans, night elves, gnomes, undeads, and I like Skyborn actually. 03:04:13.700 --> 03:04:16.300 So I would play any of those. 03:04:16.300 --> 03:04:20.660 I don't really like playing Orcs, Torrens, and Shrulls, so... 03:04:21.460 --> 03:04:24.180 I don't like, even if they were like, this, like, I don't care. 03:04:30.740 --> 03:04:32.260 We need Classic UI. 03:04:33.060 --> 03:04:36.180 There's gonna be add-ons made for Classic UI, but I feel you, bro. 03:04:36.180 --> 03:04:37.780 I'm with you on that. 03:04:41.020 --> 03:04:42.900 Tearsets Leagues? Yeah, I just saw them. 03:04:42.900 --> 03:04:45.340 They were already shown at BlizzCon, by the way. 03:04:45.340 --> 03:04:50.320 I've already seen maybe not all eight, but I think I saw like five of them or something already 03:04:50.320 --> 03:05:15.360 If you think that sounds a problem for Hunter, not really. 03:05:15.360 --> 03:05:22.720 I mean, Hunter players feel free to disagree, but I feel like it's part of the classic design, 03:05:22.720 --> 03:05:23.720 right? 03:05:23.720 --> 03:05:27.880 The dead zone going in, hitting, using abilities, going back out. 03:05:27.880 --> 03:05:28.880 Like, I don't know. 03:05:28.880 --> 03:05:41.480 I don't see it as a massive issue, but I don't play Hunter as a main, of course, 03:05:41.480 --> 03:05:50.900 My biggest complaint is losing server ticks, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. 03:05:50.900 --> 03:05:56.680 My biggest complaints are the retail UI is my number one biggest complaint. 03:05:56.680 --> 03:06:00.000 Energy mana is like server ticks is my second complaint. 03:06:00.000 --> 03:06:05.080 Barber I feel like it depends if it's haircuts or gender change and legacy system talent 03:06:05.080 --> 03:06:07.800 points seem to OP. 03:06:07.800 --> 03:06:15.460 But overall, I'm pretty darn happy with things, man. 03:06:15.460 --> 03:06:16.460 Barber hair only, please. 03:06:16.460 --> 03:06:20.900 I know it doesn't matter to a lot of people, but I think like the, like, maintaining server 03:06:20.900 --> 03:06:25.640 identity and player identity of like, oh, this is that same person that I was questing 03:06:25.640 --> 03:06:29.100 with last week, not like everyone's just changing all the time. 03:06:29.100 --> 03:06:30.100 I don't know. 03:06:30.100 --> 03:06:31.100 We'll see. 03:06:31.100 --> 03:06:32.600 Who cares about the UI? 03:06:32.600 --> 03:06:34.640 I mean, I care about the UI. 03:06:34.640 --> 03:06:46.320 Well, I can get an add-on, so that's okay. 03:06:46.320 --> 03:06:49.520 The Undead Paladin mount looked at the Tyreens. 03:06:49.520 --> 03:06:50.520 What do you think? 03:06:50.520 --> 03:06:54.120 Also, are Barber shops in forever confirmed? 03:06:54.120 --> 03:06:56.020 I think they are confirmed. 03:06:56.020 --> 03:06:59.760 Let me pull up the Paladin mount again. 03:06:59.760 --> 03:07:01.580 we've seen it a few times. 03:07:05.500 --> 03:07:06.460 I don't know. 03:07:06.460 --> 03:07:08.740 Like maybe the armor, but like the horse, 03:07:08.740 --> 03:07:10.460 like the face, the mouth, like. 03:07:11.980 --> 03:07:13.580 Maybe the armor, yeah, maybe the armor a bit. 03:07:13.580 --> 03:07:15.060 Like I love this. 03:07:15.060 --> 03:07:17.460 Like I think this looks so cool. 03:07:17.460 --> 03:07:19.100 I think this looks awesome. 03:07:19.100 --> 03:07:20.580 Like awesome, awesome. 03:07:20.580 --> 03:07:22.540 Like I do, I really want to make an undead Pali. 03:07:22.540 --> 03:07:24.500 Like they just look, it looks so cool. 03:07:24.500 --> 03:07:47.980 Akron just addressed this on Twitter. 03:07:47.980 --> 03:07:53.980 I see. 03:07:53.980 --> 03:07:56.100 The talent point ones, I think is too strong. 03:07:56.100 --> 03:07:57.420 I think they should remove that one, 03:07:57.420 --> 03:07:59.100 but the rest seem pretty minor. 03:07:59.100 --> 03:08:02.260 I think the talent point one is too good though. 03:08:02.260 --> 03:08:04.460 I'm confused on the art direction of forever. 03:08:04.460 --> 03:08:07.260 Is everything new being designed with retail art style, 03:08:07.260 --> 03:08:08.180 or is the only thing we can expect 03:08:08.180 --> 03:08:09.660 to have SDs our character model title? 03:08:09.660 --> 03:08:11.060 This seems like it exactly goes against 03:08:11.060 --> 03:08:12.500 what we said on stage. 03:08:12.500 --> 03:08:14.180 Good question. 03:08:14.180 --> 03:08:16.260 I'd encourage you to reserve judgment on any model. 03:08:16.260 --> 03:08:17.780 You see data mined in screenshots 03:08:17.780 --> 03:08:18.860 until you can see it in-game 03:08:18.860 --> 03:08:20.260 and in the context of the rest of the world. 03:08:20.260 --> 03:08:21.980 I can't get too deep in a Twitter, 03:08:21.980 --> 03:08:24.500 what you see in data mining might not fully represent 03:08:24.500 --> 03:08:26.620 of how things appear in game. 03:08:26.620 --> 03:08:27.540 Yeah. 03:08:28.740 --> 03:08:30.820 So it's actually interesting, right? 03:08:30.820 --> 03:08:35.820 So the world itself does not have an SD toggle. 03:08:35.820 --> 03:08:37.660 Only the models do. 03:08:37.660 --> 03:08:42.660 So the world itself looks, should look gorgeous, right? 03:08:43.660 --> 03:08:45.300 Like I still want my toggle, but you know, 03:08:45.300 --> 03:08:47.660 like it looks really darn good from what we've seen. 03:08:47.660 --> 03:08:52.340 So this mount in the world, I think fits really well, 03:08:52.340 --> 03:08:53.180 you know? 03:08:54.940 --> 03:08:56.240 But like I said, we'll see. 03:09:01.540 --> 03:09:04.060 Can we play both factions on PvE for sure? 03:09:04.060 --> 03:09:06.660 On PvP, we'll have to wait and see, I don't know. 03:09:06.660 --> 03:09:16.660 I think that's a risk for you. 03:09:16.660 --> 03:09:18.660 Ian is a risk for your UI concern. 03:09:18.660 --> 03:09:20.660 He has it out for add-ons. 03:09:20.660 --> 03:09:22.660 No, not for UI add-ons. 03:09:22.660 --> 03:09:28.660 I think UI add-ons have always been like not even something they're looking at. 03:09:28.660 --> 03:09:33.660 It's always about combat and how combat affects the arms race 03:09:33.660 --> 03:09:36.220 between the difficulty of content 03:09:36.220 --> 03:09:38.700 and the complexity of add-ons. 03:09:38.700 --> 03:09:40.580 That's what Ian's concerned about. 03:09:46.540 --> 03:09:49.180 Yeah, in terms of UI stuff, they've never cared. 03:09:59.140 --> 03:10:02.060 Me waiting for classic UI, yeah, yeah. 03:10:02.060 --> 03:10:06.940 Guys, once in the chat, if you're going to use a classic UI add-on, two's in the chat 03:10:06.940 --> 03:10:11.620 if you couldn't care less, and you're going to play with whatever. 03:10:11.620 --> 03:10:16.900 There's a lot of both. 03:10:16.900 --> 03:10:18.380 Oh, Rav. 03:10:18.380 --> 03:10:19.580 Rav says he's a one. 03:10:19.580 --> 03:10:21.580 I'm a one. 03:10:21.580 --> 03:10:24.140 But there is a lot of twos. 03:10:24.140 --> 03:10:30.300 There's a lot of both. 03:10:30.300 --> 03:10:31.300 Do a quick pull for this one? 03:10:31.300 --> 03:10:33.400 Yeah, sure, how about this? 03:10:33.400 --> 03:10:37.740 UI, I'm going to use classic UI add-on. 03:10:39.240 --> 03:10:41.760 I'll just put classic UI add-on. 03:10:44.500 --> 03:10:46.340 Not forever UI is fine. 03:10:47.500 --> 03:10:49.300 I could do a third option of like, 03:10:49.300 --> 03:10:51.780 I'm gonna use another add-on, 03:10:51.780 --> 03:10:55.660 or like, yeah, I'll just do like another UI add-on. 03:10:55.660 --> 03:10:57.720 Cause for people that, there's gonna be some people 03:10:57.720 --> 03:11:01.360 that use, what's it called? 03:11:02.280 --> 03:11:04.760 So a bunch of different, like L of UI and stuff. 03:11:04.760 --> 03:11:06.600 So I'll do another UI, classic UI 03:11:06.600 --> 03:11:09.080 and not forever is fine. 03:11:09.080 --> 03:11:10.480 All right, everybody start voting. 03:11:10.480 --> 03:11:11.320 Let's see. 03:11:20.560 --> 03:11:22.160 HD or SD? 03:11:22.160 --> 03:11:25.080 Well, you guys are voting this type, HD or SD? 03:11:25.080 --> 03:11:29.880 I'm definitely playing SD character models man hundred percent 03:11:31.000 --> 03:11:35.200 Guys, this is just for character models not for the world not for the river not for the lighting not for the mounts 03:11:35.200 --> 03:11:38.000 Not for the armor. This is just the models just the models 03:11:41.080 --> 03:11:43.680 Actually, you know, I'm gonna do this as a second pull after 03:11:43.680 --> 03:11:54.880 So the poll is 40% of people are going to get a classic UI on, 40% are going forever is fine and 03:11:54.880 --> 03:12:00.680 15 are another interesting. It's actually not quite what I expected. I thought classic UI on 03:12:00.680 --> 03:12:05.400 actually be a little lower and another UI on it would be higher. Anyway, interesting. 03:12:05.400 --> 03:12:15.340 Okay, I'm going to end the poll and do a new poll of character models only SD OG models 03:12:15.340 --> 03:12:21.880 HD more like the retail models. What do you guys plan? What are you guys playing? New poll 03:12:21.880 --> 03:12:41.160 us up YouTube poll please okay let me get a YouTube poll on one side 03:12:41.160 --> 03:12:51.280 oh my gosh wow I'm shocked 56% want that SD OG models 44% are gonna play with the 03:12:51.280 --> 03:12:59.360 HD retail. That is shocking to me. I thought it was going to be like 90 10 or not 90 10. 03:12:59.360 --> 03:13:16.880 I thought it was going to be like 80 20. Wow. That is shocking. 03:13:16.880 --> 03:13:18.400 See what it is on YouTube. 03:13:18.400 --> 03:13:22.040 On YouTube, it's the exact same. 03:13:22.040 --> 03:13:25.560 Guys, the reason I sometimes do only one poll 03:13:25.560 --> 03:13:27.120 isn't because I hate YouTube. 03:13:27.120 --> 03:13:30.080 It's because every time I do two polls, 03:13:30.080 --> 03:13:31.560 the outcome on Twitch and YouTube 03:13:31.560 --> 03:13:38.560 are the same to usually like 1%, like literal like 1%. 03:13:38.560 --> 03:13:41.040 Like right now it's 56.44 on Twitch 03:13:41.040 --> 03:13:43.040 and 57.43 on YouTube. 03:13:43.040 --> 03:13:47.320 It's like, it's just like, all right, we can do it, 03:13:47.320 --> 03:13:49.660 but it's gonna be the same outcome pretty much. 03:13:57.280 --> 03:14:00.160 Thoughts on server rule sets, I actually like them. 03:14:00.160 --> 03:14:02.880 Like, it's effectively just four mega servers 03:14:02.880 --> 03:14:05.920 to where you can't choose the wrong realm. 03:14:06.960 --> 03:14:09.600 You just choose a rule set and go. 03:14:09.600 --> 03:14:15.640 Like, I don't see any issue with it. 03:14:15.640 --> 03:14:18.760 I guess the issue, just to play Devil's Advocate to myself, 03:14:18.760 --> 03:14:23.080 the issue would be like you lose that small realm feeling, 03:14:23.080 --> 03:14:23.600 right? 03:14:23.600 --> 03:14:27.600 You, like, mega realms feel different than small realms. 03:14:27.600 --> 03:14:31.200 So I guess that's the issue. 03:14:31.200 --> 03:14:34.160 But we live in a different time, like with small realms. 03:14:34.160 --> 03:14:36.160 I guess it's tough to capture that. 03:14:36.160 --> 03:14:38.040 And then if you have a bunch of small realms 03:14:38.040 --> 03:14:39.200 and they all just die eventually, 03:14:39.200 --> 03:14:43.040 then you're stuck in an even worse spot, so I don't know. 03:14:43.040 --> 03:14:46.560 Okay, so let me just chat about this real quick. 03:14:46.560 --> 03:14:47.400 Like, 03:14:49.680 --> 03:14:51.000 as a mage, 03:14:53.840 --> 03:14:55.800 and I'm fighting this boss here, 03:15:03.040 --> 03:15:04.040 I'm casting 03:15:05.600 --> 03:15:06.600 Frostbolt, 03:15:08.040 --> 03:15:17.040 Frostbolt, I'm Ohm, so I'm Manapot, and then I frostbolt again, and I frostbolt again, 03:15:17.040 --> 03:15:26.040 and I have a finger as a frost, so I frostbolt Ice Lance, frostbolt again, frostbolt again, 03:15:26.040 --> 03:15:28.040 frostbolt again. 03:15:28.040 --> 03:15:34.040 Like this is kind of what I was thinking about yesterday, like what could be another button to press? 03:15:34.800 --> 03:15:39.160 You know when you're playing a warrior when you're playing a paladin when you're playing a rogue when you're playing a 03:15:39.240 --> 03:15:43.900 Truid when you're playing a lock when you're playing a priest none of them are are this simplistic 03:15:49.480 --> 03:15:51.480 Flurry maybe 03:15:54.240 --> 03:15:58.940 What about a frost firebolt proc brain brain freeze what about just brain freeze 03:15:58.940 --> 03:16:03.160 Yeah, maybe maybe I need that maybe just one one like a third button, you know 03:16:04.040 --> 03:16:07.720 maybe maybe it's just brain freeze 03:16:19.600 --> 03:16:23.880 or maybe I'm glacial I don't know if I'm glacial then you need to give them 03:16:23.880 --> 03:16:27.000 icicles and this and that 03:16:34.040 --> 03:16:42.660 Fire has more buttons, kind of, but like if I was fire in that same exact boss fight right 03:16:42.660 --> 03:16:52.880 there, I would be hitting fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball, fireball. 03:16:52.880 --> 03:16:56.240 Assuming I didn't get lucky with enough crits, I would never pyro. 03:16:56.240 --> 03:17:00.400 I'm too oom to fireblast on cooldown and scorch, it's too short of a fight probably 03:17:00.400 --> 03:17:02.120 to get scorch value. 03:17:02.120 --> 03:17:05.600 So it would really be just fireball. 03:17:05.600 --> 03:17:08.440 Having said that, I think I played fire in one of these dungeons, 03:17:08.440 --> 03:17:08.940 didn't I? 03:17:12.960 --> 03:17:16.600 No, I played Frost here. 03:17:16.600 --> 03:17:17.600 Fire. 03:17:17.600 --> 03:17:18.920 Am I fire here? 03:17:18.920 --> 03:17:20.120 Oh, I'm Frost fire here. 03:17:20.120 --> 03:17:21.840 I tried to make this build work. 03:17:21.840 --> 03:17:23.600 But I think I'm too low level for this build. 03:17:32.120 --> 03:17:39.760 Yeah, Kooshu's definitely bumping. 03:17:39.760 --> 03:17:45.360 Guys, sorry, you only read Twitch chat. 03:17:45.360 --> 03:17:48.800 He confirmed this a while ago. 03:17:48.800 --> 03:17:53.280 True Lighter CA, true. 03:17:53.280 --> 03:17:58.160 When can you preload Pada? 03:17:58.160 --> 03:18:12.160 I never tried shaman well I logged into a shaman to see the talents but I never actually tried it 03:18:20.640 --> 03:18:25.280 Battleshow isn't a one-hour puff I don't I wouldn't know since Tyler won never pressed Battleshow once 03:18:28.160 --> 03:18:41.840 Fireball, Fireball, Fireblast, Flamestrike here, Flamestrike coming cold, there we go. 03:18:41.840 --> 03:18:42.840 Aes. 03:18:42.840 --> 03:18:55.840 Yeah, maybe the best way to do damage here is to arcane explosion no matter what. 03:18:55.840 --> 03:19:03.740 Hey, what up major? How's it going? Yeah, I looked at like tier sets. I think all of them 03:19:03.740 --> 03:19:09.160 look good except mage, but there's some I like the most like druid and hunter. I think look 03:19:09.160 --> 03:19:14.520 really good. Mage, I think looks the worst. A lot of the other ones I think look okay. 03:19:14.520 --> 03:19:19.640 Actually I kind of like all of them. My big problem is some of them look a little modern 03:19:19.640 --> 03:19:23.440 like priest looks a little more on the modern end and warrior does too, but they still 03:19:23.440 --> 03:19:48.240 look cool. They have tier sets leaked already. They were at BlizzCon too. 03:19:48.240 --> 03:19:52.160 I'm going to see if aggrand. I'm going to stalk aggrand on Twitter. 03:19:52.160 --> 03:19:56.160 It's a character named ButtGroove Taken, only one way to find out. 03:19:56.160 --> 03:19:57.160 Okay. 03:20:01.540 --> 03:20:04.160 I'm in Alliance Mane, but I openly admit this is cool. 03:20:04.160 --> 03:20:05.160 Yeah. 03:20:05.160 --> 03:20:06.160 Yeah. 03:20:07.160 --> 03:20:08.160 Yeah. 03:20:22.160 --> 03:20:29.920 Wow, for ever means I saw my favorite NPCs back sour fingers alive variants alive cairns 03:20:29.920 --> 03:20:32.640 alive bullshins alive terry and alive even more. 03:20:32.640 --> 03:20:47.080 This is the warcraft I liked yeah it's a sick era. 03:20:47.080 --> 03:20:51.400 right class poll I can only do five choices guys. 03:20:52.520 --> 03:20:56.840 What time is beta releasing? We have no clue. 03:20:57.480 --> 03:21:01.160 Rip shuffle queue times? Oh no. 03:21:01.160 --> 03:21:20.500 on the list. 03:21:20.500 --> 03:21:27.380 Look at a screenshot from the panel characters from both factions are on the list. 03:21:27.380 --> 03:21:28.380 I appreciate. 03:21:28.380 --> 03:21:51.820 This could be PvE, right? Technically. We'll see. We'll see. I don't think that proves 03:21:51.820 --> 03:22:01.500 anything you add on either. That's an undead Pali saturation. Like you think, oh, you mean 03:22:01.500 --> 03:22:07.580 like you think there's gonna be just a million undead Pali out there? Yeah, it's probably true. 03:22:07.580 --> 03:22:09.580 I don't know if that's going to be an issue or not. We'll see. 03:22:37.580 --> 03:22:42.140 Yeah cheeky thanks for the 10 gift and I appreciate it 03:22:47.540 --> 03:22:51.460 Classful guys, there's only five options on twitch shadow flicking a straw pole. They're annoying 03:22:53.340 --> 03:22:57.140 Is there still spell ranks can you rank one for us? Well, yes, there is still spell ranks 03:23:00.380 --> 03:23:02.380 You know when beta goes live tomorrow, no, I don't 03:23:02.380 --> 03:23:10.680 Well, like apples, I love apples. Yeah. Actually, I might get an apple right now. That actually 03:23:10.680 --> 03:23:15.700 sounds amazing to eat an apple. Now that you said that, it's like, oh my gosh, I want an 03:23:15.700 --> 03:23:29.540 apple so bad. How's your son? He's doing great, man. They said it's going live after the Q&A. 03:23:29.540 --> 03:23:32.460 Oh and the Q&A is like at 10 a.m. Isn't it? 03:23:34.460 --> 03:23:38.820 When is the Q&A tomorrow, it's 10 PST if it's right after Q&A 03:23:39.980 --> 03:23:45.940 It would be like early. I was assuming it would be three, but dude if it's early that'd be great. It'd be great for me 03:23:53.060 --> 03:23:57.560 Um yeah, let me go grab an apple real quick that sounds way too good. I'll be right back on set 03:24:29.540 --> 03:24:52.820 I used to always send red apples, but green ones lately. 03:24:52.820 --> 03:24:53.820 I don't know, man. 03:24:53.820 --> 03:24:56.260 They're just so good. 03:24:56.260 --> 03:24:58.260 Why the napkin? 03:24:58.260 --> 03:25:12.980 bruh bruh mmm green apples are low-key insane man are so good 03:25:12.980 --> 03:25:30.100 Is Guzu, Guzu, Guzu, yes. 03:25:30.100 --> 03:25:31.820 Did Forever feel like Aira to you? 03:25:31.820 --> 03:25:34.100 I think I was thrown off at the UI. 03:25:34.100 --> 03:25:39.260 The gameplay felt very classic, but the UI felt so modern that I was like a little 03:25:39.260 --> 03:25:40.700 thrown off. 03:25:40.700 --> 03:25:44.500 So I can't wait to download an add-on to give me a classic UI so I can actually feel how 03:26:10.700 --> 03:26:12.700 There's no toggle for the UI now 03:26:28.260 --> 03:26:30.980 Brother water looks so good. Oh my god, look at that water 03:26:37.580 --> 03:26:39.700 Look at that water shark attack 03:26:40.700 --> 03:26:58.060 That shark swims really slow, I got a slowy swimming bro. 03:26:58.060 --> 03:27:01.180 Still died though. 03:27:01.180 --> 03:27:06.780 The water looks so good, yeah the water looks amazing. 03:27:06.780 --> 03:27:36.620 looks amazing. I'm just thinking right now. I get an add-on. I hide the griffins, get 03:27:36.620 --> 03:27:40.460 We need an add-on for the mini map, the unit frames, the name plates, the cast bar. 03:27:40.460 --> 03:27:44.100 I think the action bars look fine, I'll try to keep the action bars. 03:27:44.100 --> 03:27:46.600 We hide all that. 03:27:46.600 --> 03:27:50.560 We need an add-on for the party frames too. 03:27:50.560 --> 03:27:51.660 I think I can manage. 03:27:51.660 --> 03:27:52.660 I think I can manage. 03:27:52.660 --> 03:28:02.660 Yeah, I think we can do that. 03:28:02.660 --> 03:28:04.660 It's P-rate to be the same, yeah, I think. 03:28:26.360 --> 03:28:28.860 I'm gonna replay some of these donations when I was hitting the apple. 03:28:32.660 --> 03:28:37.620 Chimaproc on your arcane abilities causing your blink to make a clone next to you 03:28:37.980 --> 03:28:40.460 Copying your next three arcane abilities 03:28:40.860 --> 03:28:45.820 Does not work with Eureka and has some sort of CD. So you have one clone. I 03:28:48.700 --> 03:28:53.760 Don't know if I like the clone idea. It's really annoying and PvP for other people probably not 03:28:53.760 --> 03:29:16.800 I don't know if I have any tips come to mind right away, but I think moving out on your 03:29:16.800 --> 03:29:23.040 own for the first time is a really cool part of life because it forces you to just like 03:29:23.040 --> 03:29:25.080 immediately grow up 03:29:25.080 --> 03:29:28.200 it's a really really really cool experience 03:29:28.200 --> 03:29:31.880 for the first time you're you're structuring your 03:29:31.880 --> 03:29:34.200 your day your plan on how to 03:29:34.200 --> 03:29:35.760 survive 03:29:35.760 --> 03:29:37.680 literally when to eat 03:29:37.680 --> 03:29:39.440 how to get food 03:29:39.440 --> 03:29:42.120 when to work when they say you're going to college or something when to your 03:29:42.120 --> 03:29:43.320 school work like 03:29:43.320 --> 03:29:45.320 you you get to 03:29:45.320 --> 03:29:47.640 you get the structure these things yourself so it's just a really cool 03:29:47.640 --> 03:29:52.080 time period i think for a lot of people like oh my gosh i get to actually 03:29:52.080 --> 03:29:54.480 You come an adult here, right? It's pretty cool. 03:29:54.480 --> 03:29:56.480 So I'm trying to have any advice for you. 03:29:57.480 --> 03:30:00.380 Like you'll figure it out. It might be intimidating or scary. 03:30:00.380 --> 03:30:01.280 You'll figure it out. 03:30:01.880 --> 03:30:03.680 And it's just a really cool time period. 03:30:18.980 --> 03:30:20.680 Well, we actually almost killed the shark here. Look at that. 03:30:20.680 --> 03:30:21.280 Big damn. 03:30:22.080 --> 03:30:30.560 are you concerned that the community is going to ruin forever because of the different opinions 03:30:30.560 --> 03:30:40.480 um no because blizzard doesn't really like okay i'm going to kill so many people once 03:30:40.480 --> 03:30:48.400 there i already know you know we don't think for the tier one bro yeah it's it's gonna yeah 03:30:48.400 --> 03:30:51.480 Yeah, this shark is gonna kill people for sure. 03:30:55.240 --> 03:30:57.340 I'm trying to think of how to answer that, like. 03:31:03.040 --> 03:31:07.440 I hope Blizzard knows who to just tune out, right? 03:31:07.440 --> 03:31:11.040 Like if you listen to everyone, 03:31:11.040 --> 03:31:13.680 this game will become retail. 03:31:13.680 --> 03:31:16.520 If you start adding in arenas, 03:31:16.520 --> 03:31:20.180 RBG's, Mythic Plus, Pet Battling, 03:31:21.120 --> 03:31:24.600 and you just start, boom, boom, flying, next, next, 03:31:24.600 --> 03:31:26.360 like it will eventually become retail 03:31:26.360 --> 03:31:28.400 if you just add everything. 03:31:28.400 --> 03:31:31.280 So I hope Blizzard, and I think they, 03:31:31.280 --> 03:31:33.120 like I'm not that concerned about it in a sense 03:31:33.120 --> 03:31:36.040 because I think they have a vision and a mission of like, 03:31:36.040 --> 03:31:38.040 no, this is not retail. 03:31:38.040 --> 03:31:39.800 This is not supposed to be that. 03:31:39.800 --> 03:31:42.560 And if you want that, we have that for you already 03:31:42.560 --> 03:31:45.360 available to play, go play it. 03:31:45.360 --> 03:31:48.600 I think what this game does well 03:31:48.600 --> 03:31:53.280 is that it's positioned to not be retail 03:31:53.280 --> 03:31:56.060 and they already have the opposing product. 03:31:56.060 --> 03:31:59.820 So you have these two products or three now technically 03:31:59.820 --> 03:32:03.340 of like, if you want this, go play that. 03:32:03.340 --> 03:32:05.960 And if you want this, go play this. 03:32:05.960 --> 03:32:07.600 It's not that it's one product 03:32:07.600 --> 03:32:09.120 trying to make everyone happy, 03:32:09.120 --> 03:32:12.220 like retail was for a very long time. 03:32:12.220 --> 03:32:13.540 Now you have choices. 03:32:14.400 --> 03:32:15.240 You want this? 03:32:15.240 --> 03:32:17.320 Mythic Plus, boom, go play retail. 03:32:17.320 --> 03:32:18.720 It's not, you want Mythic Plus, 03:32:18.720 --> 03:32:20.640 okay let's think about adding that. 03:32:20.640 --> 03:32:22.480 It's you want Mythic Plus, go play retail. 03:32:22.480 --> 03:32:24.480 It's very different, it's a good position to be in 03:32:24.480 --> 03:32:27.520 if you're Blizzard, very good position to be in. 03:32:27.520 --> 03:32:31.640 You have two products to satisfy 03:32:31.640 --> 03:32:33.440 two different types of players 03:32:33.440 --> 03:32:36.540 or two different players craving two different things. 03:32:45.240 --> 03:32:47.240 So I'm really not that concerned. 03:33:15.240 --> 03:33:20.240 What kind of ASMR is this? Is the apple really loud? I don't know. I can't really tell. 03:33:20.240 --> 03:33:22.240 It's a very, very nice apple. 03:33:33.240 --> 03:33:39.240 Wow Classic. Read it. Watch the Wow Live Q&A September 17th. 03:33:39.240 --> 03:33:44.240 We're excited to follow up BlizzCon with the Live Q&A on Thursday at 10 a.m. 03:33:45.240 --> 03:33:50.120 for midnight and 10 30 for forever. 03:33:52.720 --> 03:33:57.600 All questions and themes selected will be answered live on stream. 03:33:57.600 --> 03:33:58.640 Hope to see you there. 03:33:58.640 --> 03:34:02.560 The while forever beta will go live following the Q&A live stream. 03:34:02.560 --> 03:34:06.460 So tomorrow assuming the live stream is 30 minutes, 03:34:06.460 --> 03:34:08.480 it will go live at 11 AM PST. 03:34:08.480 --> 03:34:10.640 If it's an hour, it'll go live like 11 30. 03:34:10.640 --> 03:34:12.480 But the midnight once 30 minutes, 03:34:12.480 --> 03:34:14.720 this one will probably also be 30. 03:34:14.720 --> 03:34:21.680 Probably be probably level 11 around 11. Cool. Thanks for linking that. Hopefully we can download it soon 03:34:44.720 --> 03:35:08.280 What's my goal for the beta? 03:35:08.280 --> 03:35:10.660 I think overall just to have fun. 03:35:10.660 --> 03:35:17.100 I don't want to sweat too hard and try to figure out as much as I can. 03:35:17.100 --> 03:35:21.940 I want to do community events with you guys and you know how we did on the solid beta or 03:35:21.940 --> 03:35:26.060 the solid 30 level cap and like take down world bosses and stuff like that. 03:35:26.060 --> 03:35:27.220 That'll be sick. 03:35:27.220 --> 03:35:33.020 I want to do community events and I want to check out Mage, Warrior, Pally, Rogue, 03:35:33.020 --> 03:35:36.980 Priest, like all the classes I'm thinking about maining and play them. 03:35:36.980 --> 03:35:38.500 I'll probably maine a mage no matter what. 03:35:38.500 --> 03:35:43.460 Like if I'm really liking like warrior just way more maybe the beta will point me in the right direction for that, too 03:35:52.560 --> 03:35:57.720 What do you think of God's dynamically updating I don't know too much about that. Are you saying that snapshotting is gone? 03:35:59.880 --> 03:36:01.880 Venruki is completely rolling off of a mage 03:36:03.120 --> 03:36:08.040 That's interesting. I'm actually considering rolling off a mage as well. What why is Venruki? 03:36:08.500 --> 03:36:12.720 Saying that like the reason I was thinking about rolling off a mage is because it's 03:36:14.060 --> 03:36:19.640 It's really like a one or two button class whereas it seems like every other class has somewhat of a dynamic rotation 03:36:19.640 --> 03:36:23.820 Not crazy, but major mage is like objectively the simplest class right now 03:36:24.500 --> 03:36:26.500 so it's like 03:36:27.580 --> 03:36:32.180 You know, maybe that's fine, but maybe I would rather play it something else, right? 03:36:32.180 --> 03:36:37.180 Okay. 03:36:37.180 --> 03:36:38.180 Bro file. 03:36:38.180 --> 03:36:50.820 Thanks for the two one. 03:36:50.820 --> 03:36:52.820 He mentioned Forsaken Paladin. 03:36:52.820 --> 03:36:55.820 Dude, Undepall is gonna be so sick. 03:37:14.820 --> 03:37:18.900 I mean, I would most likely recommend playing your main first, and then you could always 03:37:18.900 --> 03:37:27.160 you ults. Why do you have a tissue for an apple? Guys, because I don't want my hands to get 03:37:27.160 --> 03:37:31.380 all sticky, because I don't want my keyboard to get all sticky. And apples can be quite 03:37:31.380 --> 03:37:50.380 sticky endeavors if you've never eaten an apple before. So that's why. Teaching hygiene 03:37:50.380 --> 03:37:56.460 to gamers, I guess so. I guess so. I don't know how this is news. I was actually watching 03:37:56.460 --> 03:38:04.420 peekaboo when he does the he gets like a um it's not a tissue was it a paper 03:38:04.420 --> 03:38:12.140 towel for the napkin to or like a napkin or paper towel for the apple to it's 03:38:12.140 --> 03:38:17.180 like a self-report if you're asking about this is like goodness gracious 03:38:26.460 --> 03:38:40.800 All right. 03:38:40.800 --> 03:38:43.860 People saying preach has preach gaming YouTube. 03:38:43.860 --> 03:38:49.020 There was a new preach video. 03:38:49.020 --> 03:38:50.020 I don't like classic. 03:38:50.020 --> 03:38:51.420 I really like well forever. 03:38:51.420 --> 03:38:52.580 Oh, that's interesting. 03:38:57.660 --> 03:38:58.860 That's really interesting. 03:38:59.660 --> 03:39:01.180 I don't get it. 03:39:01.500 --> 03:39:03.020 Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 03:39:03.660 --> 03:39:05.300 Hold on, hold on for each one sec. 03:39:07.060 --> 03:39:08.060 All right. 03:39:10.980 --> 03:39:12.300 He's the target audience. 03:39:13.780 --> 03:39:16.700 Yo, Zah, it was awesome to meet you at BlizzCon. 03:39:16.980 --> 03:39:17.980 Yo, back at you, brother. 03:39:17.980 --> 03:39:20.820 You're an inspiration to me and the other reason I started. 03:39:20.820 --> 03:39:22.940 Yo, W Shuffle. Thanks for saying hi, man. 03:39:22.940 --> 03:39:24.940 He is strong in my practice. 03:39:24.940 --> 03:39:25.940 I preach. 03:39:25.940 --> 03:39:26.940 W. 03:39:26.940 --> 03:39:30.260 All right, guys, we're going to check out this preach video. 03:39:30.260 --> 03:39:33.900 I think the target audience for forever 03:39:33.900 --> 03:39:35.940 is like anyone who's ever played WoW. 03:39:35.940 --> 03:39:40.140 But of course, for someone who has never played WoW, 03:39:40.140 --> 03:39:42.420 it would be also a good time to hop in, 03:39:42.420 --> 03:39:45.420 since it's starting fresh for everyone. 03:39:45.420 --> 03:39:48.220 But also like retail gamers, I'm 03:39:48.220 --> 03:39:50.220 curious on the opinion of retail gamers. 03:39:50.220 --> 03:39:54.580 like I talked to Max a little bit about it and he said like he might not play a 03:39:54.580 --> 03:39:58.260 ton because the rotations are maybe too simple contents too easy like that that 03:39:58.260 --> 03:40:02.260 makes perfect sense for Max I'm curious for someone like preach I'm curious for 03:40:02.260 --> 03:40:07.860 like retail gamers in general like is it worth trying if you're a retail gamer 03:40:07.860 --> 03:40:11.860 you know so let's let's get preachers opinion here as more of a retail guy 03:40:11.860 --> 03:40:17.420 but as an OG you know don't get it Mike why are people so excited about 03:40:17.420 --> 03:40:22.100 Why forever? Why are you who has not played classic dude? 03:40:23.460 --> 03:40:25.220 this 03:40:25.220 --> 03:40:33.280 Photo is legendary. Oh my gosh. I mean this is it guys. This is this is the dream childhood 03:40:34.460 --> 03:40:36.460 You have the TV over here 03:40:37.360 --> 03:40:40.500 We got the we got the PC. We got the pizza 03:40:41.320 --> 03:40:45.500 We are so locked in. Oh my gosh, bro. Oh 03:40:47.420 --> 03:40:50.760 Oh, it's like, doesn't this look so fun? 03:40:50.760 --> 03:40:52.460 Does anyone else just get like, just like, 03:40:52.460 --> 03:40:53.720 oh, this looks fun. 03:40:55.400 --> 03:40:57.520 Mm, yeah, throw me back. 03:40:57.520 --> 03:41:00.020 Look at the cell phone, you guys can't even see it. 03:41:02.360 --> 03:41:03.600 I think it's like a cell phone, I think, 03:41:03.600 --> 03:41:04.960 or maybe it's a remote. 03:41:04.960 --> 03:41:07.200 No, that's a remote, that's a cell phone, I think. 03:41:08.480 --> 03:41:10.080 Remote or something, I think it's a cell phone. 03:41:10.080 --> 03:41:11.240 That's what looks like a remote. 03:41:11.240 --> 03:41:12.640 It's like a DVD right here. 03:41:12.640 --> 03:41:14.000 Ah, dude, oh. 03:41:14.000 --> 03:41:18.000 Anyway, anyway, it's like super sick. 03:41:18.000 --> 03:41:24.160 Since the original launch, even remotely interested in this, I don't understand, in a world where 03:41:24.160 --> 03:41:25.160 we just had- 03:41:25.160 --> 03:41:26.800 Wait, hold on, hold on, I need to go back. 03:41:26.800 --> 03:41:40.000 So this step right here, classic, wow, cinematic. 03:41:40.000 --> 03:41:54.880 That's what I thought. That's what I thought. It's the same step as the OG Cinematic. Is 03:41:54.880 --> 03:42:04.000 that, is that sick? New one? Old one. Here, let's watch the new one real quick. 03:42:04.000 --> 03:42:09.080 Motely interested in this. I don't understand. In a world where we just had- 03:42:09.080 --> 03:42:10.340 And then the OG. 03:42:26.780 --> 03:42:29.640 I mean, the OG is pretty cool. 03:42:29.640 --> 03:42:32.760 Yeah, I really like how they nodded to that though. 03:42:32.760 --> 03:42:35.880 Like that same foot, except it's the Pally this time. 03:42:35.880 --> 03:42:38.120 I thought that was really cool. 03:42:38.120 --> 03:42:41.920 I thought that was really cool all these remake announcements. 03:42:41.920 --> 03:42:45.360 If you watch Sony's announcement of what's coming for the PS5 03:42:45.360 --> 03:42:48.200 or the Nintendo announcements, just remakes and redoes 03:42:48.200 --> 03:42:50.480 and people were like, oh my God, what a remix. 03:42:50.480 --> 03:42:52.440 So why is wow forever exciting? 03:42:52.440 --> 03:42:54.600 This is what's been flooding my discord 03:42:54.600 --> 03:42:56.440 in the aftermath of BlizzCon. 03:42:56.440 --> 03:42:59.160 I've hit yo my mental or something. 03:42:59.160 --> 03:43:01.600 I don't get all the hype, even in the slightest. 03:43:01.600 --> 03:43:05.640 To me, it's the vanilla expansion after Nintendo Direct 03:43:05.640 --> 03:43:07.400 where every 3D game is a remaster remake, 03:43:07.400 --> 03:43:11.200 reimagining, we get Blizzard basically doing the same thing. 03:43:11.200 --> 03:43:12.560 Might be a tumor, but I walked away 03:43:12.560 --> 03:43:13.840 from the entire announcement showcase 03:43:13.840 --> 03:43:16.320 thinking it's Gigi for MMOs. 03:43:16.320 --> 03:43:17.920 Is there anyone that thinks this? 03:43:17.920 --> 03:43:19.760 Because I actually haven't seen this opinion too much, 03:43:19.760 --> 03:43:21.360 but maybe I'm just missing it. 03:43:21.360 --> 03:43:23.920 Maybe it's more from the retail side. 03:43:23.920 --> 03:43:26.120 Because like for me, it's like the greatest thing ever, 03:43:26.120 --> 03:43:28.280 but I'm obviously the target market here. 03:43:31.120 --> 03:43:32.800 Okay, so maybe you guys all agree with me 03:43:32.800 --> 03:43:34.720 because you guys are also the target market. 03:43:34.720 --> 03:43:40.140 But maybe this is what people are saying outside of the WoWsphere, I don't know. 03:43:40.140 --> 03:43:41.140 Just got back this morning. 03:43:41.140 --> 03:43:45.920 I think it's a great question and of course the other plan which was just the overwhelming 03:43:45.920 --> 03:43:51.060 question I was being asked at Discord at BlizzCon was, are you going to be playing? 03:43:51.060 --> 03:43:55.140 Even to the point that some of the classic streamers were like, are you coming back? 03:43:55.140 --> 03:43:57.140 Are you coming back? 03:43:57.140 --> 03:43:59.340 All right, we're going to address all these things. 03:43:59.340 --> 03:44:01.180 I think I asked him that. 03:44:01.180 --> 03:44:04.660 We were at the Blizzard party and I was like, sorry, are you going to play? 03:44:04.660 --> 03:44:07.380 You know, so, we'll see. 03:44:07.380 --> 03:44:09.580 I'm very interested in the retail side of things 03:44:09.580 --> 03:44:13.580 for the people that are mainly like modern MMO gamers 03:44:13.580 --> 03:44:17.060 because it's really not what you like and enjoy 03:44:17.060 --> 03:44:19.140 but it has aspects of some of it. 03:44:19.140 --> 03:44:21.780 So maybe, I don't know, you know? 03:44:21.780 --> 03:44:24.100 Things in this video, I want to talk about this 03:44:24.100 --> 03:44:27.700 because they're not wrong in a world of like remakes. 03:44:27.700 --> 03:44:29.900 Why are people so excited about this? 03:44:29.900 --> 03:44:32.060 Let me talk about it from my perspective 03:44:32.060 --> 03:44:34.220 so I could give some understanding 03:44:34.220 --> 03:44:37.940 as to why WoW Forever is such a big deal to a lot of us 03:44:37.940 --> 03:44:39.820 and we're really hoping fingers crossed 03:44:39.820 --> 03:44:41.380 that Blizzard nails this. 03:44:41.380 --> 03:44:43.460 There are some concerns about WoW Forever, 03:44:43.460 --> 03:44:45.860 which I think is something we should discuss too. 03:44:45.860 --> 03:44:47.780 I'm not gonna talk about from the perspective 03:44:47.780 --> 03:44:50.500 of the people who already enjoy classic. 03:44:50.500 --> 03:44:51.980 That those guys are already invested, 03:44:51.980 --> 03:44:53.740 it's just more of what they love. 03:44:53.740 --> 03:44:55.500 I think one of the most exciting things 03:44:55.500 --> 03:44:57.580 is while the opening ceremony was going on 03:44:57.580 --> 03:44:59.220 and we were hearing about WoW Forever, 03:44:59.220 --> 03:45:01.220 my brother texted me and just said, 03:45:01.220 --> 03:45:04.340 This sounds like it was made for me. 03:45:05.300 --> 03:45:07.820 How sick is this transmog? 03:45:07.820 --> 03:45:08.660 Like, are you kidding? 03:45:08.660 --> 03:45:10.620 Like, that, that mug is wild. 03:45:10.620 --> 03:45:13.500 And I totally just agree with that sentiment. 03:45:13.500 --> 03:45:14.820 I will also point out here, 03:45:14.820 --> 03:45:16.500 as we did do a video a week ago, 03:45:16.500 --> 03:45:20.580 I swear to you all, I had no idea. 03:45:20.580 --> 03:45:23.020 I swear to you, I swear to you. 03:45:23.020 --> 03:45:24.660 It was point for point. 03:45:24.660 --> 03:45:26.580 Every single thing they announced 03:45:26.580 --> 03:45:28.220 was everything we said. 03:45:28.220 --> 03:45:31.300 It was a logical conclusion of where they should go. 03:45:31.300 --> 03:45:33.560 Horizontal progression, it's about time 03:45:33.560 --> 03:45:35.320 that WoW embraced the idea. 03:45:35.320 --> 03:45:37.120 There's so many logical reasons 03:45:37.120 --> 03:45:39.240 to hold the level cap at level 60. 03:45:39.240 --> 03:45:41.320 It's so much more enticing. 03:45:41.320 --> 03:45:44.180 The only thing that I didn't put in that video, 03:45:44.180 --> 03:45:46.320 and this is what I got asked a lot of BlizzCon as well, 03:45:46.320 --> 03:45:47.140 is there anything you missed out, 03:45:47.140 --> 03:45:49.380 was what should they not do? 03:45:49.380 --> 03:45:52.920 Because WoW forever is the opportunity to say, 03:45:52.920 --> 03:45:56.240 what did we do wrong on the course of retail? 03:45:56.240 --> 03:45:59.280 Or what did we do that we wish we never did? 03:45:59.280 --> 03:46:01.400 Is probably a more correct way of saying that. 03:46:01.400 --> 03:46:04.520 What did we do on that 20 year journey 03:46:04.520 --> 03:46:07.400 that we really wish we didn't do? 03:46:07.400 --> 03:46:09.000 So two things spring to mind. 03:46:09.000 --> 03:46:10.360 One of them is flying. 03:46:10.360 --> 03:46:13.840 I would be shocked if flying is coming to Walfrever 03:46:13.840 --> 03:46:15.320 at literally any point. 03:46:15.320 --> 03:46:16.800 Like you could never predict the future, 03:46:16.800 --> 03:46:18.760 but I think one of them is flying mounts. 03:46:18.760 --> 03:46:19.840 Don't touch it. 03:46:19.840 --> 03:46:21.320 If you start from Fred. 03:46:21.320 --> 03:46:25.520 Bro, what if like it starts off with none of this 03:46:25.520 --> 03:46:28.040 and then people in the forums cry enough that, 03:46:28.040 --> 03:46:31.240 oh, it takes too long, and then they add flying, 03:46:31.240 --> 03:46:33.480 and then people keep crying, and then they add Mythic Plus, 03:46:33.480 --> 03:46:36.800 and people keep crying, and then they add, you know, 03:46:36.800 --> 03:46:38.560 expansions, and people keep crying, 03:46:38.560 --> 03:46:39.940 and then the level cap goes to 70, 03:46:39.940 --> 03:46:41.400 and then people keep crying, and then they add 03:46:41.400 --> 03:46:43.360 pet battles, and people keep crying, 03:46:43.360 --> 03:46:45.680 and then they add, you know, wow, token, 03:46:45.680 --> 03:46:47.380 and people keep crying, and then they add a boost, 03:46:47.380 --> 03:46:48.840 and people keep crying, and then like, 03:46:48.840 --> 03:46:51.280 it's just, in 20 years, we have two retails. 03:46:51.280 --> 03:47:00.320 And it's just a carbon copy, just two retails. 03:47:00.320 --> 03:47:02.680 Let's not do that. 03:47:02.680 --> 03:47:04.680 Let's not do that. 03:47:04.680 --> 03:47:08.440 Just don't do it, because we saw in Walons of Draenor, for those of you who were there, 03:47:08.440 --> 03:47:15.920 when Blizzard tried to put that fairy back into Pandora's box, the audience rebelled, 03:47:15.920 --> 03:47:21.680 But it takes away from the world in so many ways that I really, really highly doubt they're 03:47:21.680 --> 03:47:23.640 going to touch flying in WoW forever. 03:47:23.640 --> 03:47:25.560 The other one was Transmog. 03:47:25.560 --> 03:47:29.720 Because I was stupidly, because we didn't know they could do this and in fact as I found 03:47:29.720 --> 03:47:33.600 out at BlizzCon they were shocked they could do this, was make it Toggleable. 03:47:33.600 --> 03:47:36.040 It's either an on or off scenario. 03:47:36.040 --> 03:47:37.040 Transmog. 03:47:37.040 --> 03:47:40.640 Bro, there's a lot of features in Forever that they actually should bring to retail 03:47:40.640 --> 03:47:41.640 though. 03:47:41.640 --> 03:47:46.640 Toggleable Transmog on retail seems like it would be cool. 03:47:47.160 --> 03:47:50.580 The less bouncy animations seems like it would be cool. 03:47:50.580 --> 03:47:53.600 The new water updates seems like they would be cool. 03:47:53.600 --> 03:47:56.380 There's like a lot that could go the other way. 03:47:56.380 --> 03:47:58.440 Like forever actually has so many cool things. 03:47:58.440 --> 03:47:59.960 Like it could go the other way. 03:47:59.960 --> 03:48:01.400 It's like, geez, all right. 03:48:01.400 --> 03:48:04.600 Me already in the fog, the fog, the lighting. 03:48:04.600 --> 03:48:07.360 Like a lot of this stuff is like, yeah. 03:48:07.360 --> 03:48:09.520 Like I'm sure retail, like if you're a retail player, 03:48:09.520 --> 03:48:12.400 Are all those things like kind of exciting? 03:48:12.400 --> 03:48:14.080 I feel like all of those things it's like, 03:48:15.880 --> 03:48:17.640 wait a minute, what about us? 03:48:17.640 --> 03:48:18.560 You know, like, 03:48:19.840 --> 03:48:20.840 is wonderful. 03:48:20.840 --> 03:48:21.920 It's fantastic. 03:48:21.920 --> 03:48:25.560 People play the entire game just for transmog. 03:48:25.560 --> 03:48:27.680 And why would Blizzard not want to repeat that? 03:48:27.680 --> 03:48:29.880 It's made infinite cash for them. 03:48:29.880 --> 03:48:32.160 There's so many things they've done because of transmog. 03:48:32.160 --> 03:48:36.480 Well, the obvious answer is once you do it, 03:48:36.480 --> 03:48:38.440 you can never go back, right? 03:48:38.440 --> 03:48:40.080 in a world where it's on or off. 03:48:40.080 --> 03:48:42.280 And the problem you have with Transmog, 03:48:42.280 --> 03:48:46.160 that it definitely is a good thing for the most part, 03:48:46.160 --> 03:48:48.000 but nothing is black and white. 03:48:48.000 --> 03:48:52.000 The negative aspect is there's definitely a goal 03:48:52.000 --> 03:48:54.880 that is no longer a thing for a lot of people 03:48:54.880 --> 03:48:56.920 because you generally wear one set 03:48:56.920 --> 03:48:59.520 and then when you complete another set, you swap it. 03:48:59.520 --> 03:49:01.320 And that build up, that gradual, 03:49:01.320 --> 03:49:02.840 that big joy that you get 03:49:02.840 --> 03:49:05.800 when your character actually looks swag as hell. 03:49:05.800 --> 03:49:07.760 You know, he's finally got those shoulders 03:49:07.760 --> 03:49:13.200 looking for that chest and your clown suit actually becomes a nice piece of armor that you're proud 03:49:13.200 --> 03:49:18.160 to show off and you love looking at your character creation screen because that's how you appear to 03:49:18.160 --> 03:49:23.120 other people is lost. The other thing that's lost which was definitely something that had an effect 03:49:23.120 --> 03:49:29.520 on me, what is the idea that you see people who have done the latest content, they've done 03:49:29.520 --> 03:49:34.480 something you can't do and they represent that in just being in the world. They're just part 03:49:34.480 --> 03:49:39.280 of the world and it inspired me certainly back in the day when I was walking through Iron Forge 03:49:39.840 --> 03:49:45.760 is to see people wearing like tier one and being like oh wow and then you're like they stand out 03:49:45.760 --> 03:49:48.960 in a way that you want to go and inspect them right and you look at them and they're like wow 03:49:48.960 --> 03:49:53.440 they're wearing all purple or then tier two came along all people in our car are starting showing up 03:49:53.440 --> 03:49:58.320 in that bright pink and yellow armor and you're like oh wow those guys are doing things 03:49:58.320 --> 03:50:03.600 to see them ride across the countryside also through one of the zones and you're like oh 03:50:03.600 --> 03:50:09.520 Here come the big boys right that is a really inspiring thing to see for a lot of players and did push things forward 03:50:09.520 --> 03:50:14.600 There's a prestige level and I truly believe and I know some people here. This is like oh you mean to show off 03:50:15.000 --> 03:50:18.980 No, I think having in an RPG living bring what he means is yes 03:50:19.640 --> 03:50:25.940 Absolutely getting that mount and sitting there with your tier three shoulders your title over your head 03:50:26.000 --> 03:50:28.000 You know you open the gates 03:50:28.560 --> 03:50:30.820 potentially, you know like absolutely 03:50:30.820 --> 03:50:38.100 Absolutely 100% eating world the heroes of your world is something that people do strive to become 03:50:38.100 --> 03:50:45.100 I think it's actually a benefit to have that work and give people goals and to go there toggleable transmog though is 03:50:45.220 --> 03:50:50.420 So good so good because there are lots of people who have no interest in any of that stuff 03:50:50.500 --> 03:50:55.200 They're really happy to be making that just outfits look really cool 03:50:55.300 --> 03:51:00.700 So it just look pretty or to look fantastic or they're really happy with a certain armor set from a lower tier 03:51:00.700 --> 03:51:05.800 They don't like the newer one. So the ability to turn it personally. I am not going to play the transmog 03:51:06.120 --> 03:51:11.920 But that's my choice the world will appear as I want it to appear and for other people who have no interest in any of those things 03:51:11.960 --> 03:51:15.040 It's great. I really thought I'm actually curious what the 03:51:16.300 --> 03:51:21.020 Reality is gonna be with how many people have it on and off because like I'm gonna have it off too 03:51:21.020 --> 03:51:23.360 Like I think transmog breaks a lot of the immersion 03:51:23.860 --> 03:51:29.440 Everyone's just like looking all pristine in this and that or like in pajamas or whatever like no thanks 03:51:29.440 --> 03:51:36.000 but I'm actually curious, you know, pull it. Well, I mean, we've already done pulls, but I mean in 03:51:36.000 --> 03:51:42.160 reality, because people might say one thing and then end up doing another, right? I'm for sure 03:51:42.160 --> 03:51:49.440 having an off. Oh, the way they were going to go is no transmog. But if you do something in WoW 03:51:49.440 --> 03:51:54.800 forever that gives you some new armor set or some new art style or whatever designs they come up 03:51:54.800 --> 03:51:59.040 up with there and you get that then it would unlock for you in retail where 03:51:59.040 --> 03:52:02.140 transmog is fine so you would get the benefit I thought they would cross game 03:52:02.140 --> 03:52:06.040 it that way in a path of exile one path of exile two style so that's really cool 03:52:06.040 --> 03:52:12.040 all right let's talk about I don't get it there are lots of people like me and 03:52:12.040 --> 03:52:16.840 when I'm talking about that is I loved the relaunch of classic I thought that 03:52:16.840 --> 03:52:20.840 was so cool because there is no denying at all that World of Warcraft 03:52:20.840 --> 03:52:26.360 World of Warcraft Classic, even up to, I don't know, even Mr. Pandaria, is not the same game 03:52:26.360 --> 03:52:29.760 as Retail World of Warcraft, they're completely different games. 03:52:29.760 --> 03:52:34.040 They work in such different ways, they have the same elements, it's kind of like going 03:52:34.040 --> 03:52:38.820 for a hamburger at a restaurant versus a fast food place. 03:52:38.820 --> 03:52:44.480 They look the same, the menus are similar, but it's a whole different experience. 03:52:44.480 --> 03:52:49.760 One of them is to sit down, take your time, talk with people, share a drink. 03:52:49.760 --> 03:52:53.760 The other one is get in, get out as quickly as humanly possible and get everything you 03:52:53.760 --> 03:52:57.240 want as fast as you can and you just get the top stuff. 03:52:57.240 --> 03:53:01.640 There's such a different climate, a different environment that exists between these games. 03:53:01.640 --> 03:53:03.640 There's an age-old debate. 03:53:03.640 --> 03:53:05.880 That was actually a decent analogy. 03:53:05.880 --> 03:53:08.480 I was like, where is he going to go with that, like burgers? 03:53:08.480 --> 03:53:11.240 I mean, that sounds pretty good, but I don't know. 03:53:11.240 --> 03:53:13.200 But yeah, that actually is a good analogy. 03:53:13.200 --> 03:53:16.120 Once I go, go, go, go, go, and the other is like, no, I'm just going to sit down 03:53:16.120 --> 03:53:23.120 and chill for a while and take a bite and then relax go slow on purpose you know that 03:53:23.120 --> 03:53:29.600 actually kind of owned. It's a great analogy because you're American. Preach is an American 03:53:29.600 --> 03:53:35.560 though so your insult falls apart so yeah but for people like me who are old as hell 03:53:35.560 --> 03:53:43.360 which the wow player base generally skews way older I played vanilla wow every day 03:53:43.360 --> 03:53:51.080 from beta. I lived it, I breathed it, I experienced everything that that game had to offer. I did 03:53:51.080 --> 03:53:59.280 it all and I don't enjoy that much doing it all again because I literally gave years of 03:53:59.280 --> 03:54:05.840 my life to it. TBC, I jumped into TBC, beta wasn't even paid me to like show off the 03:54:05.840 --> 03:54:11.400 Burning Crusade. I played for like two hours and my nostalgia, because I consider the 03:54:11.400 --> 03:54:16.720 Burning Crusades be my favorite expansion of all time, but there are things I remember about the Burning Crusade 03:54:16.720 --> 03:54:21.560 Certainly looking at it towards the Lata Sunwell era. Wait, is that what the cinematic actually looked like? 03:54:21.560 --> 03:54:23.560 There are things I remember about the Burning Cru- 03:54:23.560 --> 03:54:28.680 Are his glaives really like not green? Are they like blue and small like this in the cinematic? 03:54:29.520 --> 03:54:31.520 Wait, how do I not remember them like this? 03:54:32.360 --> 03:54:34.360 Do they normally look like that? 03:54:34.720 --> 03:54:36.720 They're like small and like blue 03:54:36.720 --> 03:54:46.840 Yes. Huh. It's like I'm I'm in my head. They're like a little like I just watched this like 03:54:46.840 --> 03:54:51.560 like last month a couple months ago. They look like bigger in my head. Mandala effect. 03:54:51.560 --> 03:54:54.560 Yeah. Okay. 03:54:54.560 --> 03:54:59.000 So it's certainly looking at it towards the latter Sunwell era where the game got faster. 03:54:59.000 --> 03:55:03.760 It was more interesting. It was much more robust, more visceral, more brutal. I'm 03:55:03.760 --> 03:55:12.480 playing TBC Beta, actually, it's really slow. Okay, this isn't quite what I'm 03:55:12.480 --> 03:55:19.760 and that joy that I felt about TBC, that rose tintedness for sure, was drifting away very quickly. 03:55:19.760 --> 03:55:23.840 And I had to stop. I was like, this is going to actually ruin my memories of this expansion, 03:55:23.840 --> 03:55:30.320 because I am absolutely spoiled with what's happening in retail. I've moved so far away 03:55:30.320 --> 03:55:32.800 away from this over the last like 18 years, 03:55:32.800 --> 03:55:36.000 that this is now just ruining my memories 03:55:36.000 --> 03:55:37.280 of what existed then. 03:55:38.960 --> 03:55:42.240 Classic, while forever, is doing what I, 03:55:42.240 --> 03:55:44.040 but people like me want. 03:55:44.040 --> 03:55:45.200 It is that classic flavor. 03:55:45.200 --> 03:55:46.040 That's a fair point. 03:55:46.040 --> 03:55:47.280 It is that restaurant hamburger. 03:55:47.280 --> 03:55:48.120 For him. 03:55:48.120 --> 03:55:49.160 But now that menu's expanded. 03:55:49.160 --> 03:55:51.400 There are things there I've not experienced. 03:55:51.400 --> 03:55:55.120 There are going to be experiences, flavors, textures, 03:55:55.120 --> 03:55:58.780 environments that are within that world 03:55:58.780 --> 03:56:05.180 that I haven't done, that aren't retreading that same old ground, and that's the appeal 03:56:05.180 --> 03:56:10.500 of it for people like me, who aren't classic Andes, or whatever you want to call them, 03:56:10.500 --> 03:56:14.620 who have just been cycling around that washing machine of doing classic over and over again. 03:56:14.620 --> 03:56:18.900 It's those of us who are like, I want that gameplay experience, I love that gameplay 03:56:18.900 --> 03:56:22.820 experience, but I want a new flavor and a new texture to it. 03:56:22.820 --> 03:56:23.820 That's what I want. 03:56:23.820 --> 03:56:29.820 to play in that rules, that world, but I don't just want to do the same thing I've been doing 03:56:29.820 --> 03:56:34.460 over and over again for 20 years. And that's the appeal for people like me. That's why 03:56:34.460 --> 03:56:41.740 Wild Forever is so exciting. For those of us who want that gameplay, but doing LBRS, 03:56:41.740 --> 03:56:46.500 UBRS, or whatever it might be for the 9000th time is that's the problem with it. It's 03:56:46.500 --> 03:56:50.620 like, I love it, but I've eaten it, you know, go back to the restaurant, we'll 03:56:50.620 --> 03:56:55.500 do that I've eaten it a thousand times and eventually it's just you know it's 03:56:55.500 --> 03:57:01.300 it's plain old boring I I mean I actually think he has a decent point here like 03:57:01.300 --> 03:57:07.180 there's a subset of the wow players that can replay or eat the same meal like a 03:57:07.180 --> 03:57:11.260 thousand times like I actually do eat ground beef and rice pretty much every 03:57:11.260 --> 03:57:15.060 day and eggs and rice pretty much every day but that's not the point the 03:57:15.060 --> 03:57:20.540 point is for the majority of people you want to do something new or 03:57:20.540 --> 03:57:26.460 Something that you haven't experienced before and if you just do the same thing over and over it will get boring now 03:57:26.460 --> 03:57:28.460 There's like the pay-offs of the world 03:57:28.520 --> 03:57:34.220 That can literally just play classic wow forever or like grace for days, right? 03:57:34.220 --> 03:57:37.620 I'm actually not that way surprisingly, and I know what you're thinking like bro 03:57:37.620 --> 03:57:41.940 You've been playing classic for like four years and what are you talking about or longer? 03:57:42.180 --> 03:57:47.300 But for me, it's like I like played classic era and then I actually quit after a few months 03:57:47.300 --> 03:57:50.500 and I played TBC and I got ranked one and then quit after a few months and I played a 03:57:50.500 --> 03:57:55.780 Wrath and got ranked one and then quit after a few months and I played Hardcore and Hardcore 03:57:55.780 --> 03:57:59.060 is what brought me back. I was like, oh, this is new again, which is different than 03:57:59.060 --> 03:58:03.300 Aero. Hardcore is different fundamentally, right? And then you add official Hardcore, 03:58:03.300 --> 03:58:07.860 which was, you know, a little different than Season of Discovery, which is a little different. 03:58:07.860 --> 03:58:12.100 And then I played a Monk and a Barbarian and Hardcore, which is a little different. 03:58:12.100 --> 03:58:15.380 So I kept doing stuff different, different, different, different. But like, I'm actually 03:58:15.380 --> 03:58:20.800 not the guy who I could just level a major era and then think, yeah, I'm going to level 03:58:20.800 --> 03:58:27.460 another major era. I'm going to level another major era. Like I would get bored. Right. 03:58:27.460 --> 03:58:32.200 I literally just change up, change it up every single time. So I'm kind of like preaching 03:58:32.200 --> 03:58:38.080 away of like, I can't wait for something new here to me, lit. 03:58:38.080 --> 03:58:43.120 It did. I look like this guy. I got to play a few hours of while forever. I was 03:58:43.120 --> 03:58:49.000 having so much fun really was having so much fun with such stupid basic gameplay 03:58:49.000 --> 03:58:54.760 and people have been angry at me calling classic easy look man it is it's turbo 03:58:54.760 --> 03:59:04.600 easy in terms of what you do as a player the dude I don't remember who tweeted 03:59:04.600 --> 03:59:10.480 this on Twitter crap someone said something like this I'm gonna paraphrase 03:59:10.480 --> 03:59:17.680 it incorrectly, but I thought it was so true. I saw this over the weekend. When you meet 03:59:17.680 --> 03:59:25.360 someone at BlizzCon or in real life, whatever, and you guys play wow, and you start having 03:59:25.360 --> 03:59:32.620 a conversation with another human being, you know what they ask you? Do you play horde 03:59:32.620 --> 03:59:41.340 or alliance. What class do you play? Right? Like they're trying to start having a conversation 03:59:41.340 --> 03:59:50.140 about the game. You know what they don't ask you? Not a single time in my like 10 blizz 03:59:50.140 --> 03:59:59.060 cons have I ever heard anyone say, what were your parses last week? What's your arena 03:59:59.060 --> 04:00:04.060 How many titles do you, no one cares. 04:00:06.140 --> 04:00:08.780 And that was pretty eye-opening, right? 04:00:08.780 --> 04:00:11.020 It was really eye-opening. 04:00:11.020 --> 04:00:13.700 When people are talking in person 04:00:13.700 --> 04:00:16.260 about their experiences on WoW, 04:00:16.260 --> 04:00:18.260 it just comes down to like, what server are you on? 04:00:18.260 --> 04:00:19.100 Alliance or Horde? 04:00:19.100 --> 04:00:20.260 Like what class do you play? 04:00:20.260 --> 04:00:22.180 Like those are like the things 04:00:22.180 --> 04:00:24.100 that people actually care about. 04:00:24.100 --> 04:00:25.020 So preach is right. 04:00:25.020 --> 04:00:28.020 Like, oh, a classic WoW is too easy. 04:00:28.020 --> 04:00:30.600 It's like, dude, who are you trying to impress? 04:00:30.600 --> 04:00:31.440 Like no one cares. 04:00:31.440 --> 04:00:33.300 Like it's about being in a world together 04:00:33.300 --> 04:00:36.260 and like doing some killin' some dragons, you know? 04:00:36.260 --> 04:00:41.260 And I wish I could give credit for who tweeted that. 04:00:45.140 --> 04:00:47.580 That's a really good tweet though, I thought. 04:00:47.580 --> 04:00:50.300 There's a really, really, really cool point. 04:00:50.300 --> 04:00:52.700 Difficulty comes from the restrictions 04:00:52.700 --> 04:00:55.220 that the game actually puts on you, right? 04:00:55.220 --> 04:00:57.260 That's where the difficulty comes from. 04:00:57.260 --> 04:01:01.820 I talk about the first boss in the sunken city, the new dungeon that they put into Walfredder. 04:01:01.820 --> 04:01:03.340 It has two mechanics. 04:01:03.340 --> 04:01:05.500 How many rank point titles do I have? 04:01:05.500 --> 04:01:07.340 Uh, I lost counter on 20. 04:01:08.700 --> 04:01:09.660 Six. 04:01:09.660 --> 04:01:13.260 It literally does a stomp and a dispel. 04:01:13.900 --> 04:01:14.700 That's it. 04:01:14.700 --> 04:01:19.740 But you're so limited like I played healer and you have like five heals you can cast before 04:01:19.740 --> 04:01:21.660 you go out of mana and have to use mana potions. 04:01:22.460 --> 04:01:26.540 And so you've got to be really picky about when you cast a heal, 04:01:26.540 --> 04:01:33.420 When do I who needs a dispel as a priority and it's nice and it's slow and you take your time and you're making these like 04:01:34.140 --> 04:01:38.020 Decisions the what's actually happening is incredibly basic 04:01:38.340 --> 04:01:42.780 But you have all this like juggling to do because you've got such limited resources 04:01:43.260 --> 04:01:45.180 You've got such a 04:01:45.180 --> 04:01:48.620 weighty choice on casting that spell in retail 04:01:48.780 --> 04:01:54.260 You press everything all the time like keep those buttons spinning man press press press 04:01:54.260 --> 04:01:57.100 It's no like I'm wanting here 04:01:57.100 --> 04:02:02.800 I think my tank could take another hit then I'll cast a heal because if I just heal him cuz he's taking a little bit of 04:02:02.800 --> 04:02:06.940 Damage, I'm gonna wrap man it and I could squeeze more down. This is a really good point 04:02:08.460 --> 04:02:16.220 For both sides of the conversation I was talking to Max and someone like Max they love hitting buttons 04:02:17.060 --> 04:02:23.540 Constantly they love complex rotations whereas almost like playing the piano like you're like going hard man. It's like 04:02:24.260 --> 04:02:25.580 It's complexity. 04:02:25.580 --> 04:02:27.780 There's nothing wrong with liking that. 04:02:27.780 --> 04:02:30.260 There is literally nothing wrong with that. 04:02:31.260 --> 04:02:33.700 But it exists on retail and you can go play that. 04:02:33.700 --> 04:02:35.220 But on the other side, like there's, 04:02:35.220 --> 04:02:38.180 is something very cool about what Preach is saying, 04:02:38.180 --> 04:02:39.820 of like, okay, I have 20% mana. 04:02:39.820 --> 04:02:43.180 I'm gonna save until I have 24% mana, 04:02:43.180 --> 04:02:44.660 because then I can cast a greater heal 04:02:44.660 --> 04:02:47.140 and that greater heal is gonna top my tank 04:02:47.140 --> 04:02:48.940 way more than like a flash heal would 04:02:48.940 --> 04:02:49.980 that I could do now or something. 04:02:49.980 --> 04:02:51.060 I don't know, I'm just making it up. 04:02:51.060 --> 04:02:52.960 Like you wanna wait for a mana tick. 04:02:52.960 --> 04:02:54.480 So I'm gonna wand for now. 04:02:54.480 --> 04:02:56.000 Like that's so cool, right? 04:02:56.000 --> 04:02:57.280 That's such a cool choice. 04:02:58.800 --> 04:03:02.240 But I guess my point being, it's not for everyone. 04:03:03.120 --> 04:03:03.960 It's not. 04:03:03.960 --> 04:03:05.440 It really isn't, you know? 04:03:05.440 --> 04:03:07.560 For those Mythic Plus enjoyers out there, 04:03:07.560 --> 04:03:10.160 like it won't be for you, right? 04:03:10.160 --> 04:03:11.520 Or at least in the same, 04:03:11.520 --> 04:03:15.400 it won't scratch that same itch at least. 04:03:15.400 --> 04:03:18.000 Maybe you have like two sides of maybe, 04:03:18.000 --> 04:03:20.480 maybe you'll play both and maybe you'll play Mythic Plus 04:03:20.480 --> 04:03:21.920 for when you wanna sweat and try hard 04:03:21.920 --> 04:03:26.560 maybe you'll play forever when you want to just slow down and relax, right? 04:03:26.560 --> 04:03:30.520 So you might might might do it like that, but they're very very very different, right? 04:03:30.840 --> 04:03:37.240 Imagine with a wanting although I'm not pressing anything. I'm just wanting but making that choice is important 04:03:37.240 --> 04:03:39.240 It's weighty. It's more decisive 04:03:39.240 --> 04:03:44.440 Whereas retail is you know, it's like a fighting game. It's constantly go go go go go go go 04:03:44.440 --> 04:03:49.360 Can I squeeze another global cool down in here? Yeah, I lost the global cool down. I'm annoyed with myself, right? 04:03:49.360 --> 04:03:53.920 I could have been casting something there. I clipped to cast at the end getting frustrated with it 04:03:53.920 --> 04:03:57.360 Where I mean, I think this is the best example right in retail 04:03:57.960 --> 04:04:03.600 You cast say I'm playing elemental shaman right now if I cast a chain lightning, but I move and that cast finishes 04:04:03.600 --> 04:04:10.840 I lost a second and a half of DPS dude brutal brutal vice versa over in classic 04:04:11.360 --> 04:04:13.240 I'm like 04:04:13.240 --> 04:04:15.240 cancelling spells 04:04:15.240 --> 04:04:20.880 Big difference and intentionally stopping it casting so that's that's hopefully what it's like one of my plants 04:04:20.880 --> 04:04:25.520 Let's talk about plants. Yes. I'm absolutely playing I'm just like what I'm gonna play yet and kind of interesting healer 04:04:25.520 --> 04:04:28.280 But playing the classic stuff at blizzcon 04:04:28.840 --> 04:04:34.840 Became very apparent that melee DPS and just non-money users are so strong bro 04:04:35.480 --> 04:04:41.280 When the packs started going long like they weren't dying and we were in a group of we had a shadow priest in the one 04:04:41.280 --> 04:04:45.080 I've got a little bit of pictures of I didn't take footage recording 04:04:45.080 --> 04:04:50.920 It's like a shadow priest, a mage, a rep paladin, a prop paladin or something else that would 04:04:50.920 --> 04:04:53.040 be on priest healing. 04:04:53.040 --> 04:04:56.680 When mana starts to become an issue, the damage just drops and I'm like, dude, this is why 04:04:56.680 --> 04:05:03.400 rogues and hunts and warriors and hunts use mana, but you can regen are so powerful in 04:05:03.400 --> 04:05:04.400 this environment. 04:05:04.400 --> 04:05:08.040 And I've always been a warrior, so it's probably going to be the warrior. 04:05:08.040 --> 04:05:10.600 The realm-less idea is so nice. 04:05:10.600 --> 04:05:15.160 talk. And one thing I would like to say is if you are say NA or Oceanic and you want to play 04:05:15.160 --> 04:05:20.280 together, everyone's saying ban that guy. Hold on, hold on. Who's the guy we're banning? 04:05:21.160 --> 04:05:26.280 Who's the guy we're banning? I'm trying to find him right now. The full loop PVP guy. 04:05:32.840 --> 04:05:35.320 Oh, I think you, yeah, Taylor already got him. Nice. 04:05:35.320 --> 04:05:40.640 Do it from the start like during the EU and I keep pointing this out and it should be the 04:05:40.640 --> 04:05:45.360 close example if the race to world first retail players with that ridiculous fast-paced combat 04:05:45.360 --> 04:05:51.400 can play cross region and it's fine. You're going to be fine soon. You're going to be absolutely 04:05:51.400 --> 04:05:55.000 fine. You're going to be totally fine. I don't think Blizzard is confirmed yet, but 04:05:55.000 --> 04:06:00.040 I'll double check whether realm list is actually like EU and NA and Oceanic or whatever will 04:06:00.040 --> 04:06:02.280 all play together on one big realm. 04:06:02.280 --> 04:06:08.640 Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea on that but do it from the start and plan to make a guild see what everybody else is doing 04:06:08.640 --> 04:06:13.560 Obviously in terms of content creators, we were all like we're gonna play together, right? I'm like, oh, yeah, absolutely 04:06:14.160 --> 04:06:18.640 Absolutely gonna do that and do something special. Maybe I'll play with my friends. I don't know 04:06:18.640 --> 04:06:22.320 I don't know. We'll see where it goes ten and twenty memory sizes 20 04:06:22.400 --> 04:06:26.520 Okay, 40 seems to be on the horizon the other big question people were asking me 04:06:26.920 --> 04:06:31.840 Especially because I was hanging around with novel a lot is what is the lore of this and we're not sure 04:06:31.840 --> 04:06:35.680 There was a big discussion that was going on is this cannon they clearly pointed to 04:06:36.200 --> 04:06:39.620 Reworking a lot of upcoming raids because this takes place pre molten core 04:06:39.620 --> 04:06:42.960 So I imagine we're gonna get a very modified molten core, which is great 04:06:42.960 --> 04:06:46.560 You know, we're not just gonna be doing Gehenis and whatever over and over again 04:06:46.560 --> 04:06:48.560 they're gonna remake it in some way and 04:06:48.600 --> 04:06:53.300 Where and they could totally like splints of the timelines into a different path 04:06:53.300 --> 04:06:57.640 I don't think people would care. I really don't the other thing people really controversial 04:06:57.640 --> 04:07:03.480 Just to be clear guys, they came out and said, oh thanks babe, got some lunch here guys, 04:07:03.480 --> 04:07:05.640 the beef and rice we were just talking about. 04:07:05.640 --> 04:07:11.300 They came out and said, this is not canon, they came out and said, this is literally, 04:07:11.300 --> 04:07:15.460 we want to be able to have the creative freedom to do things that aren't going to affect 04:07:15.460 --> 04:07:19.080 the lower of the future and retcon everything. 04:07:19.080 --> 04:07:22.760 It's not like, oh this is really what happened and everything that you thought mattered 04:07:22.760 --> 04:07:23.760 doesn't. 04:07:23.760 --> 04:07:27.200 No, no, retconning doesn't exist, this is not canon, this lives alongside it 04:07:27.200 --> 04:07:30.280 in its own little thing, which I think is cool. 04:07:30.280 --> 04:07:32.000 It's the only way you can really do it, 04:07:32.000 --> 04:07:33.840 because if you do it any other way, 04:07:33.840 --> 04:07:34.920 there's gonna be something, it's like, 04:07:34.920 --> 04:07:37.080 well, we're so restricted, we can't do anything, 04:07:37.080 --> 04:07:38.520 or if we wanna do something cool, 04:07:38.520 --> 04:07:40.120 it's gonna wreck on everything we've done. 04:07:40.120 --> 04:07:42.420 So this is probably the way to do it. 04:07:43.760 --> 04:07:45.960 But they were very clear about that, which I like, 04:07:45.960 --> 04:07:49.040 and I appreciate, and straight from Metz and Mao, 04:07:49.040 --> 04:07:52.760 it was like, you guys have to be able 04:07:52.760 --> 04:07:54.480 to do things like this, 04:07:54.480 --> 04:07:56.640 or you won't be able to make an interesting game. 04:07:56.640 --> 04:08:00.240 So he decided to draw up the Skyborne as the high elves, 04:08:00.240 --> 04:08:01.640 which I know people are upset about, 04:08:01.640 --> 04:08:04.280 but like at some point you're going to have to do stuff. 04:08:04.280 --> 04:08:06.280 Maybe not at that point, 04:08:06.280 --> 04:08:08.360 because high elves would have been fine. 04:08:10.520 --> 04:08:13.440 But at some point you are going to have to like do stuff, 04:08:13.440 --> 04:08:14.280 right? 04:08:14.280 --> 04:08:16.080 You need that creative freedom at some point. 04:08:16.080 --> 04:08:17.120 But yeah. 04:08:17.120 --> 04:08:19.680 I think we should address in this video is the price tag 04:08:19.680 --> 04:08:22.220 and the Skyborne being a $30 thing. 04:08:23.080 --> 04:08:25.120 This was just a bad PR move 04:08:25.120 --> 04:08:28.800 because personally the deal is exactly a bad PR move. 04:08:28.800 --> 04:08:31.200 It was a great deal, but the PR, it looked awful. 04:08:31.200 --> 04:08:32.960 It looked awful, but like, yep. 04:08:32.960 --> 04:08:35.000 Great, it's really good. 04:08:35.000 --> 04:08:35.960 It's really, really good. 04:08:35.960 --> 04:08:37.960 You're getting this whole game, 04:08:37.960 --> 04:08:40.760 it's just costing a sub that you already have, 04:08:40.760 --> 04:08:42.040 so that's fine. 04:08:42.040 --> 04:08:45.600 And they're paying for this brand new version of WoW 04:08:45.600 --> 04:08:48.400 by just making the SkyBond thing at $30. 04:08:48.400 --> 04:08:52.000 It's way cheaper than an ordinary box copy of WoW. 04:08:52.000 --> 04:08:54.040 I think it's a really good deal, 04:08:54.040 --> 04:08:55.500 But the idea that they were like, 04:08:55.500 --> 04:08:58.300 oh, this is the Skyboard and it's $30. 04:08:58.300 --> 04:09:00.200 One, people like, why Skyboard? 04:09:00.200 --> 04:09:01.400 Cause I think people certainly, 04:09:01.400 --> 04:09:04.080 well, I know people immediately thought Shadowlands 04:09:04.080 --> 04:09:07.920 with the Bastian people were like, oh no, horror show. 04:09:07.920 --> 04:09:11.060 And there's always that why. 04:09:12.120 --> 04:09:13.840 Do you guys really hate Skyboard 04:09:13.840 --> 04:09:16.320 because it gives you Shadowlands PTSD 04:09:16.320 --> 04:09:17.760 with like jailer stuff? 04:09:19.560 --> 04:09:21.160 Oh, I didn't think about that. 04:09:21.160 --> 04:09:23.840 Oh, that's why people hate it even more. 04:09:23.840 --> 04:09:25.760 I mean, you might also hate it for other reasons, 04:09:25.760 --> 04:09:29.200 but maybe this is like a subconscious PTSD thing. 04:09:30.760 --> 04:09:32.680 Ah, I didn't think of that. 04:09:34.420 --> 04:09:36.940 Yeah, yeah, maybe they shouldn't have done that. 04:09:36.940 --> 04:09:39.700 Then, yeah, he's pretty sure the first person 04:09:39.700 --> 04:09:43.020 actually heard mention that, but it's kind of obvious. 04:09:43.020 --> 04:09:44.320 No one is locked off, and you're like, 04:09:44.320 --> 04:09:46.100 oh, so I'm just, I have to pay for it. 04:09:46.100 --> 04:09:48.460 But the way they put, my personal opinion 04:09:48.460 --> 04:09:51.300 is the way they presented it was really dumb. 04:09:51.300 --> 04:09:53.180 Instead, they could have just gone, 04:09:53.180 --> 04:09:56.900 while forever that if they would have announced it is while forever is 04:09:58.300 --> 04:10:02.140 Half the price if not more of a normal version of World of Warcraft 04:10:02.140 --> 04:10:08.780 We're gonna do at $30 this entire game which goes on forever is gonna be $30 people would be so okay with that 04:10:08.900 --> 04:10:14.420 People would have not blinked an eye if it was 30 bucks for everyone, but since it's 30 bucks for the raise 04:10:14.420 --> 04:10:19.420 It's like yeah, it's such an optics thing preaches 100% right here 04:10:20.340 --> 04:10:22.820 Instead they were like no you get it as part of your soup 04:10:23.180 --> 04:10:30.300 Awesome, right, which is great. And there's it's a help pay for it. Like you can get the extra race with $30, but you can play the game anyway. 04:10:30.300 --> 04:10:37.080 And people have pissed about it. It's purely a marketing faux pas, in my opinion. Yeah, on bliss. It's part of they simply said, 04:10:37.080 --> 04:10:44.020 wow, forever will be cheaper than buying a World of War. You can either get it as a sub or you can get some bonus things. 04:10:44.020 --> 04:10:51.500 But we, you know, we've got to pay for this entirely new version of World of Warcraft. And it's only $30. I think people would have been to be fair, 04:10:51.500 --> 04:10:55.580 like even me, like I was, I was reacting live at BlizzCon. 04:10:55.740 --> 04:10:58.420 And then people started saying pay to win race. 04:10:58.500 --> 04:10:59.740 Sky born is 30 bucks. 04:10:59.740 --> 04:11:02.140 And I was like, no way they would do that. 04:11:02.980 --> 04:11:04.380 Why? 04:11:04.380 --> 04:11:06.740 And then, you know, my follow up question was right after. 04:11:08.740 --> 04:11:10.740 How much is the game? 04:11:10.740 --> 04:11:12.940 And then everyone said free for the sub. 04:11:12.940 --> 04:11:15.380 And I was like, oh, great deal. 04:11:15.380 --> 04:11:17.820 Right. It just takes that next follow up question of like, oh, 04:11:17.820 --> 04:11:19.260 well, there's no box price. 04:11:19.260 --> 04:11:21.060 Oh, OK, great. Good deal. 04:11:21.060 --> 04:11:23.780 Totally okay with that. So just an optic situation, I guess 04:11:24.300 --> 04:11:28.300 Well, that's my thoughts on the certainly those people who like I don't get it 04:11:28.300 --> 04:11:34.300 I hope that explains it and I can't wait to see you in new Azeroth. I see no. Bye guys new 04:11:38.740 --> 04:11:44.580 Dude legendary video from pre cheer so I think even retail and these guys 04:11:45.180 --> 04:11:47.180 Seem somewhat excited 04:11:47.260 --> 04:11:49.060 To game up here 04:11:49.060 --> 04:11:53.480 Crazy you missed the latest news. What's that? I got some lunch here. So I'm definitely gonna slam the lunch 04:11:56.460 --> 04:12:02.140 I'm gonna cover up this guy. Oh, this is actually actually the same shirt by the way actually the same shirt 04:12:19.060 --> 04:12:26.660 Mmm beef rice salsa onions green onion rather beef rice salsa green onion 04:12:38.820 --> 04:12:44.340 Guys, no, I washed the t-shirt. It's a it's a clean shirt. It's the same shirt, but I washed it then 04:12:44.340 --> 04:12:49.340 Do I track macros? I used to, not anymore. 04:12:54.840 --> 04:12:56.280 Is it just me or does Fireball look weird? 04:12:56.280 --> 04:12:58.800 The animations are a little different. 04:12:58.800 --> 04:13:01.300 I haven't looked too closely at them, but to me, 04:13:02.600 --> 04:13:07.100 like, to me, they felt fine enough to not be bothered. 04:13:09.780 --> 04:13:11.940 Like the things that I'm bothered by 04:13:11.940 --> 04:13:12.860 versus not are interesting. 04:13:12.860 --> 04:13:17.860 Like the UI bothers me so much, 04:13:17.860 --> 04:13:20.700 but like the animations of those fireball, 04:13:20.700 --> 04:13:21.860 I never even noticed. 04:13:22.820 --> 04:13:25.540 The character SD character models to me 04:13:25.540 --> 04:13:26.460 looked like pretty good. 04:13:26.460 --> 04:13:27.300 They didn't bother me. 04:13:27.300 --> 04:13:28.460 They looked like close enough. 04:13:28.460 --> 04:13:31.540 But the UI was like nowhere close to what I wanted. 04:13:31.540 --> 04:13:32.380 Hello, sir. 04:13:32.380 --> 04:13:33.220 Right? 04:13:33.220 --> 04:13:34.060 So it's like, I guess we're all different. 04:13:34.060 --> 04:13:36.980 I'm gonna start on HC mode and then move to PVP 04:13:36.980 --> 04:13:38.140 if you die. 04:13:38.140 --> 04:13:38.980 Smile. 04:13:42.860 --> 04:13:45.580 Wait a minute. I said no, but oh 04:13:47.060 --> 04:13:52.260 Yeah, hardcore sound out so later so no if hardcore dropped immediately. Maybe I would do that 04:13:52.260 --> 04:13:55.500 But even then maybe not so here's my reasoning 04:13:57.620 --> 04:14:03.340 When a new version of wow comes out I want to die I want to 04:14:04.380 --> 04:14:09.300 Explore up a mountain. I've never explored and fall. I want to 04:14:09.300 --> 04:14:13.060 to go and pull an elite that's like way higher to see. 04:14:13.060 --> 04:14:14.900 I want to push boundaries. 04:14:14.900 --> 04:14:18.060 I want to go into a dungeon and try to do a crazy pull 04:14:18.060 --> 04:14:19.540 and die and then do it again. 04:14:19.540 --> 04:14:23.300 I literally want that experience. 04:14:23.300 --> 04:14:25.100 I don't want to play hardcore at first. 04:14:25.100 --> 04:14:28.900 No, I want to literally like just run in and mess around 04:14:28.900 --> 04:14:30.180 and die over and over and over. 04:14:30.180 --> 04:14:31.180 That's part of gaming. 04:14:31.180 --> 04:14:34.380 That's part of MMOs, right? 04:14:34.380 --> 04:14:37.380 But I'm very excited for hardcore down the road. 04:14:37.380 --> 04:14:38.780 Like when it comes out, of course, 04:14:38.780 --> 04:14:40.420 going to be playing hardcore. 04:14:40.420 --> 04:14:43.220 But I want my first character to have the experience of, 04:14:43.220 --> 04:14:44.980 like, let's just mess around, bro. 04:14:44.980 --> 04:14:46.180 You know what I mean? 04:14:49.460 --> 04:14:51.420 Breaking news is Beta goes live after Q and A. 04:14:51.420 --> 04:14:52.580 Yeah, we covered that. 04:15:05.660 --> 04:15:08.060 Can we talk about your 30 hour fast at BlizzCon? 04:15:08.780 --> 04:15:13.780 I mean, it wasn't 30 hours, it was probably more like 27. 04:15:18.220 --> 04:15:21.040 And I didn't do it on purpose, I just was too busy to eat. 04:15:21.040 --> 04:15:23.160 So I just didn't eat for like a day, 04:15:23.160 --> 04:15:25.980 which is not a big deal because then at dinner, 04:15:25.980 --> 04:15:28.580 I got a giant tomahawk steak to myself. 04:15:28.580 --> 04:15:30.860 I actually didn't finish the whole thing, but almost. 04:15:30.860 --> 04:15:33.300 I just ate like 2,000 calories in one sitting, 04:15:33.300 --> 04:15:36.380 maybe more, 2,500 with a potato, a salad. 04:15:36.380 --> 04:15:43.380 Not a big deal. 04:15:43.380 --> 04:15:50.780 Did I take a picture of the steak? 04:15:50.780 --> 04:15:52.660 I actually think I might have. 04:15:52.660 --> 04:15:53.660 It was massive. 04:15:53.660 --> 04:15:55.160 Honestly, very smart. 04:15:55.160 --> 04:15:58.420 Bro, when I'm like doing stuff, I don't like to eat. 04:15:58.420 --> 04:16:03.220 I don't want to like, what's it called? 04:16:03.220 --> 04:16:09.380 They had like sandwiches and stuff, but I don't know about you guys, but like if I'm if I need to like be talking and doing stuff 04:16:09.380 --> 04:16:11.380 Well, I guess I'm eating right now 04:16:11.380 --> 04:16:15.060 But if I'm like at an event on stage, I'm not trying to eat a sandwich. You know what I mean? 04:16:15.060 --> 04:16:37.560 I wonder if it was a mistake to make these elves blue. 04:16:37.560 --> 04:16:41.440 I was talking to you guys yesterday and I feel like so many people have a problem with 04:16:41.440 --> 04:16:49.800 Skyborne because they're blue like what if they were just what are high elves like 04:16:49.800 --> 04:16:54.120 light tan ish 04:16:54.560 --> 04:16:57.800 I think the blue color 04:17:11.440 --> 04:17:19.440 The UI kills everything. 04:17:19.440 --> 04:17:23.440 I'm very like, it's my biggest complaint, yeah. 04:17:23.440 --> 04:17:25.440 But here's what I'll say. 04:17:25.440 --> 04:17:29.440 My biggest complaint can be fixed with an add-on. 04:17:29.440 --> 04:17:33.440 I am very happy with that. 04:17:33.440 --> 04:17:37.440 For example, if they added flying, that would be my biggest complaint, obviously. 04:17:37.440 --> 04:17:43.760 and you can't fix flying with an add-on if they added what else would I hate like mage healers 04:17:43.760 --> 04:17:47.440 if they added mage healers you can't fix that with an add-on but else it'd be like really bad 04:17:48.240 --> 04:17:53.280 if they added like a level cap to level 100 or something like you can't fix that 04:17:53.280 --> 04:17:57.440 so like my if my biggest problem can be fixed with an add-on like i'm i'm thrilled right 04:17:57.440 --> 04:18:07.320 2 issues causing all the problems, 1. The cinematic had retail vibes because Skyborne looked like 04:18:07.320 --> 04:18:10.600 Shadowlands and the music sounded like Dragonfly. 04:18:10.600 --> 04:18:11.600 That's fair, yeah. 04:18:11.600 --> 04:18:18.920 2. The retail UI. If the cinematic had WC3 vibes with a vanilla UI people would be happy. 04:18:18.920 --> 04:18:25.720 I mean just to clarify it, I think people are very, very happy. Overall there's complaining 04:18:25.720 --> 04:18:31.800 but I think overall people are stoked, like, insanely happy. 04:18:31.800 --> 04:18:33.000 Having said that, I agree. 04:18:33.000 --> 04:18:37.400 I think those are like the sky-born, the music, the Shadowland stuff, the UI. 04:18:37.400 --> 04:18:38.920 Like, I agree. Those are some top stuff. 04:18:38.920 --> 04:18:40.120 Yeah, absolutely. 04:18:40.120 --> 04:18:42.600 But I think people overall are still pretty darn happy, bro. 04:18:52.760 --> 04:18:54.200 Did you see the 1v1 Arena League? 04:18:54.200 --> 04:18:56.200 No, but that seems like it would be cool 04:19:14.420 --> 04:19:19.200 You see the tier sets yeah, they looked okay, I hated the mage one 04:19:20.340 --> 04:19:23.160 What are you eating rice beef salsa and green onion? 04:19:24.200 --> 04:19:38.160 How does he play with our hands of uh, I've ascended 04:19:54.200 --> 04:20:16.760 So, back has a video where he interviews a developer. 04:20:16.760 --> 04:20:17.760 Oh, really? 04:20:17.760 --> 04:20:18.760 I haven't seen that. 04:20:18.760 --> 04:20:19.760 Let me see it. 04:20:28.160 --> 04:20:31.160 Wait, are you a developer? Arcane? I unbanned. 04:20:33.660 --> 04:20:38.160 Oh, it's like he's just talking to a dev in his chat. 04:20:39.160 --> 04:20:43.160 So it's not like an actual dev interview. He's just like talking to someone in his chat. 04:20:43.660 --> 04:20:45.360 Oh my god. Okay. 04:20:45.360 --> 04:20:51.060 Yes, I have some questions Mr. Arcane ladies and gentlemen. This is a wait is this a confirmed 04:20:51.760 --> 04:20:55.280 Dev or someone pretending to be a dev trolling all of us 04:20:56.040 --> 04:20:58.280 I'm a dev too. Yeah, that's what I'm saying 04:21:07.520 --> 04:21:09.120 Rated PvP 04:21:09.120 --> 04:21:13.620 Yeah, is it possible I can ask is there any rain terina? I would have loved 04:21:15.360 --> 04:21:19.920 Ranked arena like 1v1 is there any I don't know if you're able to even talk about that one 04:21:20.240 --> 04:21:23.520 I'd prefer not to answer that for now, but we are not launching with arena 04:21:29.840 --> 04:21:32.480 Well guys how legit is this rk21 guy? 04:21:34.320 --> 04:21:36.320 Fake dev I mean 04:21:36.320 --> 04:21:40.240 I mean anyone could definitely just I don't know it might be legit 04:21:40.720 --> 04:21:43.040 I mean all the answers seem to be legit, but 04:21:45.360 --> 04:22:14.000 It might be very, very, very legit. 04:22:14.000 --> 04:22:16.000 This clip soda 1v1 04:22:18.480 --> 04:22:20.480 1v1 arena 04:22:28.200 --> 04:22:31.540 Specifically, but it might teleport you to an instanced area 04:22:32.680 --> 04:22:37.380 Interesting spectators. No flights going on today or no fights going on today pal 04:22:37.960 --> 04:22:41.640 The horde and the Alliance are too busy killing each other out in the fields 04:22:41.640 --> 04:22:47.160 When there's perfectly good coin to be made, doing that in my arena, go figure. 04:22:47.160 --> 04:22:50.640 Come back when I get this place up and running. 04:22:50.640 --> 04:22:55.240 I don't know if this is real or fake, but that looks awesome. 04:22:55.240 --> 04:22:56.560 This is what I'm talking about. 04:22:56.560 --> 04:23:03.280 Like a 1v1 brawlers guild style of arena where you have to run to and like you can maybe 04:23:03.280 --> 04:23:07.800 spectate other people and like port you to somewhere where you can like see it. 04:23:07.800 --> 04:23:09.800 This is like cool. 04:23:09.800 --> 04:23:17.320 They hinted at a Makara arena, maybe that's what this is, I don't know. 04:23:17.320 --> 04:23:20.680 Something like this could be really cool. 04:23:20.680 --> 04:23:23.240 Obviously it's not announced yet. 04:23:23.240 --> 04:23:28.600 But this looks kind of legit. 04:23:28.600 --> 04:23:32.920 Like the dual area from OSRS, yeah exactly. 04:23:32.920 --> 04:23:40.200 Exactly. Too small. No, like you wouldn't actually fight like right there probably I don't know how it would work 04:23:40.200 --> 04:23:43.200 But you wouldn't actually fight like in that definitely way too small 04:24:02.920 --> 04:24:15.740 I was looking at discord for a sec 04:24:15.740 --> 04:24:23.920 give us insider info I guys I don't have any insider info I don't know what we're talking 04:24:23.920 --> 04:24:34.000 about. I think nearly 100% of what I know you guys know now trying to think there's any 04:24:34.000 --> 04:24:40.400 details. There might be some small stuff but like pretty much everything is out and I think 04:24:40.400 --> 04:24:46.560 tomorrow everything will be out. So it's like at this point it's like your your guess 04:24:46.560 --> 04:24:47.840 This is as good as mine, bro. 04:24:52.760 --> 04:24:54.400 What did I know before BlizzCon? 04:24:54.400 --> 04:24:55.400 Maybe less than you think. 04:24:55.400 --> 04:24:59.000 Like, I didn't know it was gonna be called about forever. 04:24:59.000 --> 04:25:00.920 I didn't know, I didn't see that cinematic, 04:25:00.920 --> 04:25:03.760 like that cinematic, that was my first time seeing it. 04:25:07.840 --> 04:25:09.080 Like we got to play the game. 04:25:09.080 --> 04:25:10.720 A lot of the stuff in the game was different 04:25:10.720 --> 04:25:11.560 when we played. 04:25:15.280 --> 04:25:16.520 Some of it was the same. 04:25:16.560 --> 04:25:36.080 is 04:25:36.080 --> 04:25:39.320 there's this like 04:25:39.320 --> 04:25:43.360 massive forum basically saying 04:25:43.600 --> 04:25:48.520 Where where is it like the models are completely awful we covered it earlier. Where is this? 04:25:52.680 --> 04:25:54.680 Now crap can someone like this 04:25:56.280 --> 04:25:58.280 It's in the react oh 04:25:59.560 --> 04:26:04.640 Yeah, so this is what's going on on reddit basically saying the new models look awful 04:26:05.920 --> 04:26:07.920 but like 04:26:08.120 --> 04:26:12.820 When I was playing this is me at blizzcon. I got to make this character 04:26:13.360 --> 04:26:21.220 This is how I always play I play with the no eye sockets the you know the bone shot no hair 04:26:22.520 --> 04:26:27.420 Like so hold on so what is this outrage about like let me log in real quick 04:26:27.420 --> 04:26:30.380 I guess this is TBC but TBC I think is about the same right? 04:26:30.960 --> 04:26:34.480 Let me make a new character actually okay. Yeah, look so this is my same guy 04:26:36.160 --> 04:26:39.080 Let's try to do them side by side and see how close it is 04:26:39.940 --> 04:26:42.060 Well, I guess this is a not a mage 04:26:42.060 --> 04:26:47.060 is a Pali, so the armor is different. 04:26:51.060 --> 04:26:56.060 Here, let me try to make, oh I guess I can't make a Pali. 04:26:58.060 --> 04:27:03.060 Warrior? Yeah, maybe I'll do a warrior because the warrior starting here is the same. 04:27:12.060 --> 04:27:21.500 I just want to see like how close it actually looks because I think it does look a little 04:27:21.500 --> 04:27:27.020 different but I think it looks very very very close. 04:27:27.020 --> 04:27:34.260 Where's the eye sockets? 04:27:34.260 --> 04:27:41.560 There. 04:27:41.560 --> 04:27:45.680 So the big thing that I see different, let me know if you guys point anything else out 04:27:45.680 --> 04:27:46.680 is the shoulders. 04:27:46.680 --> 04:27:47.680 Actually, you know what? 04:27:47.680 --> 04:27:50.600 Let me do a screen cap. 04:27:50.600 --> 04:27:52.880 It's the shoulders, I think. 04:27:52.880 --> 04:27:53.880 It's the same. 04:27:53.880 --> 04:28:10.800 The shoulders, to me, look like the biggest difference. 04:28:10.800 --> 04:28:15.120 So this is like side by side, at least with like the same, 04:28:15.120 --> 04:28:16.720 man, how do I do this better? 04:28:20.360 --> 04:28:21.200 Here we go. 04:28:23.100 --> 04:28:24.780 Okay, there we go. 04:28:24.780 --> 04:28:26.360 It's literally the same. 04:28:26.360 --> 04:28:28.160 Like the only, oh yeah, the shoulder 04:28:28.160 --> 04:28:29.640 doesn't even look that different. 04:28:29.640 --> 04:28:31.720 So like this, so it's like what you read 04:28:31.720 --> 04:28:33.160 on Reddit versus reality. 04:28:33.160 --> 04:28:38.160 I feel like this is, the jaw looks maybe slightly different. 04:28:40.800 --> 04:28:45.040 The shoulder looks like very, very similar. 04:28:46.640 --> 04:28:48.440 The bone in the kneecap. 04:28:52.280 --> 04:28:54.180 I see the biggest thing is the jaw. 04:28:56.560 --> 04:29:00.440 The head I think is at a slightly different angle 04:29:00.440 --> 04:29:02.880 because it's pointing either way, the leg. 04:29:02.880 --> 04:29:04.720 It's the biggest thing is the jaw. 04:29:04.720 --> 04:29:05.820 It's like the jaw. 04:29:10.800 --> 04:29:18.480 Obviously like the characters like positioned a little different. 04:29:18.480 --> 04:29:23.640 Like I said over and over today, this is something that matters to me. 04:29:23.640 --> 04:29:27.480 Like this is a big deal for me. 04:29:27.480 --> 04:29:29.440 And this one is close enough. 04:29:29.440 --> 04:29:33.880 As somebody who really cares about this stuff, because like I grew up playing and I want 04:29:33.880 --> 04:29:38.120 it to be, you know, classic wow, this is close enough for me. 04:29:38.120 --> 04:29:40.700 It is very close. 04:29:40.700 --> 04:29:44.380 There are some minor differences, but as someone who cares a ton, this is close enough for me 04:29:47.660 --> 04:29:50.260 That is that is very close 04:29:54.940 --> 04:30:00.420 But yeah, this this was the reddit post that was like blowing up and like this is just completely disingenuine 04:30:01.020 --> 04:30:05.780 It's like completely different angle different skin color different haircut different everything. It's like 04:30:06.820 --> 04:30:09.660 Makes it look like it's completely different when it's not the case 04:30:10.700 --> 04:30:19.820 complete fake news the left ones altered to maybe 04:30:23.380 --> 04:30:29.540 anyway when I saw this I was like really cuz I don't remember that but anyway 04:30:30.380 --> 04:30:38.380 undead can customize the jaw undead can customize the jaw where people are 04:30:38.380 --> 04:30:46.100 thing I can customize it to look like the old one. My glow jaw features, face features. 04:30:46.100 --> 04:30:52.660 I don't know. I don't know like and none of these like I obviously boned John. Savik talked 04:30:52.660 --> 04:31:19.360 about it. Yeah. Excited to play. I can't wait, man. Can't wait. But you didn't pick 04:31:19.360 --> 04:31:22.680 bone jog on TVC that's what we're trying to tell you oh I literally picked a 04:31:22.680 --> 04:31:37.200 different jaw is this bone shot yo Johnny 20 gifted thank you so much bro oh I 04:31:37.200 --> 04:31:44.560 picked the wrong one I picked this one instead of this one oh I live okay I'm 04:31:44.560 --> 04:31:46.480 I'm sorry guys, I'm sorry. 04:31:46.480 --> 04:31:48.520 So I literally picked the wrong jaw. 04:31:49.520 --> 04:31:50.840 Okay, I'm an idiot. 04:31:54.920 --> 04:31:57.600 So it would be, if we wanna do a more accurate comparison, 04:31:57.600 --> 04:32:02.600 it's this, oh crap, I did the wrong eyes now. 04:32:05.440 --> 04:32:06.920 Shoot, but you know what, like whatever, 04:32:06.920 --> 04:32:08.320 I did the wrong eyes this time, 04:32:08.320 --> 04:32:10.560 but this is the more accurate comparison. 04:32:10.560 --> 04:32:13.160 So the jaw now looks almost identical as well. 04:32:13.880 --> 04:32:19.000 Okay, I feel like there's pretty much nothing to complain about like the jaw was the only thing but that was my fault 04:32:22.000 --> 04:32:25.240 I mean there's pretty much nothing to complain about here. I 04:32:27.080 --> 04:32:31.780 Don't know. I mean there are slight differences of course, but it's I mean it is I 04:32:34.040 --> 04:32:36.040 Mean it is like 04:32:36.040 --> 04:32:41.540 Although, can you get this draw with the eyes closed? 04:32:41.540 --> 04:32:43.840 No, I don't think you can. 04:32:43.840 --> 04:32:51.840 So, there might be more features in the new one, I don't know. 04:32:51.840 --> 04:33:02.880 Unplayable, unbelievable, I can't believe this. 04:33:02.880 --> 04:33:12.920 Johnny, thanks for the gifted ear, thanks for the prime, who were thanks for the prime? 04:33:12.920 --> 04:33:16.380 David at the Super Chat saying, do you think Skyborne's zone is locked out, zone for people 04:33:16.380 --> 04:33:21.920 who haven't bought it, and do you think they will have their own city also locked? 04:33:21.920 --> 04:33:24.600 I don't think they're going to have their own city. 04:33:24.600 --> 04:33:27.520 The Skyborne's zone, I believe, is locked out if you haven't bought it, as far as 04:33:27.520 --> 04:33:31.320 I understand. 04:33:31.320 --> 04:33:39.080 The model may be the same, but the retail internal skeleton is currently used. 04:33:39.080 --> 04:33:44.960 I would have to literally log in side by side and try to compare them. 04:33:44.960 --> 04:33:50.240 But the animations felt very close, but like I said, I'd have to literally compare them 04:33:50.240 --> 04:33:55.000 side by side. 04:33:55.000 --> 04:33:58.680 Dwarves have too long of legs compared to classic dwarves. 04:33:58.680 --> 04:34:00.300 I could try to compare. Let's see. 04:34:06.220 --> 04:34:07.600 All right, so that's a classic, 04:34:07.600 --> 04:34:10.020 that's a classic forever dwarf. 04:34:10.020 --> 04:34:11.460 Let's see if we can do this. 04:34:28.680 --> 04:34:53.680 I'm not sure if I can get it right, but I'm sure I can get it right, but I'm sure I can 04:34:53.680 --> 04:34:54.680 get it right. 04:34:54.680 --> 04:35:03.860 lot about this stuff. This is close enough for me. It is almost identical. If you want 04:35:03.860 --> 04:35:09.900 to get nitpicky, there's clearly like some stuff, but like it is so close. As someone 04:35:09.900 --> 04:35:21.680 who cares that complaining about this is crazy to me. The vaude is a little fuzzier by the 04:35:21.680 --> 04:35:27.680 Since I'm actually playing, I would assume it would look like this in-game when you're actually playing, because this is from a VOD. 04:35:28.680 --> 04:35:30.680 Like the lighting is obviously different. 04:35:39.680 --> 04:35:45.680 Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think there is a lot of things to talk about. I think complaining about this is kind of, kind of nuts. 04:35:51.680 --> 04:35:58.680 Check gnomes, okay. 04:35:58.680 --> 04:36:06.720 Let me see where I pull up a gnome. 04:36:06.720 --> 04:36:09.480 So human, I think human actually does look a little different. 04:36:09.480 --> 04:36:10.480 Hold on, let me go to human. 04:36:10.480 --> 04:36:11.480 The human male. 04:36:11.480 --> 04:36:12.480 The human female looks similar. 04:36:12.480 --> 04:36:13.480 The human male. 04:36:13.480 --> 04:36:14.480 Oh, maybe not. 04:36:14.480 --> 04:36:15.480 Hold on. 04:36:15.480 --> 04:36:19.240 The human male looked different to me, but now that I'm looking at it, let me see 04:36:19.240 --> 04:36:22.240 Let's see if I can make it look just like that. 04:36:32.240 --> 04:36:35.240 I actually maybe wasn't familiar with this face. 04:36:43.240 --> 04:36:44.240 Facial hair. 04:36:49.240 --> 04:37:19.200 I don't think I was familiar with this phase. 04:37:19.200 --> 04:37:23.520 Like it does look a little different, right? This one this one looks more different than the rest 04:37:23.520 --> 04:37:25.520 But like it's still pretty darn close 04:37:26.020 --> 04:37:29.020 The mouth and this one is like kind of darker a little open 04:37:29.220 --> 04:37:34.000 This one's like the lips definitely look a little little different, but like it is pretty close 04:37:34.000 --> 04:37:38.460 I will say this one varies a little more than the undead that we checked out and the dwarf 04:37:39.840 --> 04:37:41.840 Unplayable sorry unplayable 04:37:49.200 --> 04:37:52.680 6 or 7 including a specific jaw option. 04:37:52.680 --> 04:37:54.840 Same model, more options. 04:37:54.840 --> 04:37:56.720 That's all this is. 04:37:56.720 --> 04:37:58.160 People are insane. 04:37:58.160 --> 04:37:59.560 Ha ha ha. 04:37:59.560 --> 04:38:01.720 Not in my classic plus. 04:38:01.720 --> 04:38:02.560 Yeah, yeah. 04:38:02.560 --> 04:38:05.060 OK. 04:38:05.060 --> 04:38:06.000 How so you? 04:38:09.560 --> 04:38:11.560 I wouldn't mind checking out a gnome real quick. 04:38:19.200 --> 04:38:37.120 Yeah, I mean, yeah, this one already, like, I don't even need a side by side. 04:38:37.120 --> 04:38:44.960 This looks like so legit that it's like, yeah. 04:38:44.960 --> 04:38:53.280 What hairstyle is this? 04:38:53.280 --> 04:38:57.200 Is this a new hairstyle? 04:38:57.200 --> 04:38:59.920 It might be a new hairstyle from Rath or something, okay. 04:38:59.920 --> 04:39:04.840 So we can't do that one-to-one hairstyle. 04:39:04.840 --> 04:39:07.000 What about the mana tick in WoW forever? 04:39:07.000 --> 04:39:08.000 Yeah, definitely that. 04:39:08.000 --> 04:39:10.480 Is it so you barely lose mana in fights? 04:39:10.480 --> 04:39:12.160 So no drink breaks? 04:39:12.160 --> 04:39:16.700 No, Mana Tick doesn't make you reach in more mana, it just changes how you reach in and 04:39:16.700 --> 04:39:18.200 rape the mana. 04:39:18.200 --> 04:39:21.200 So the uptime or down time should be pretty much identical. 04:39:21.200 --> 04:39:24.200 What the heck? 04:39:24.200 --> 04:39:29.200 Why did it open there? 04:39:29.200 --> 04:39:31.200 Un-plight-able. 04:39:31.200 --> 04:39:37.200 Why is it opening over here? 04:39:37.200 --> 04:39:40.200 Hold on. 04:39:40.200 --> 04:40:02.440 I would have to take a closer look at animations to know what you're talking about, but I will 04:40:02.440 --> 04:40:04.280 say this. 04:40:04.280 --> 04:40:08.320 As someone who cares a lot, it's not something that I noticed. 04:40:08.320 --> 04:40:09.640 Maybe you're right. 04:40:09.640 --> 04:40:11.080 But it's not something I noticed. 04:40:11.080 --> 04:40:14.080 I would have to maybe go back in a vaude and like point it out. 04:40:14.080 --> 04:40:17.160 But I didn't notice when playing and I care about animations a lot. 04:40:17.160 --> 04:40:21.000 I was the loudest on the, like when they, when they, when they ruin the animations, 04:40:21.000 --> 04:40:22.240 I was the guy that was the loudest. 04:40:22.240 --> 04:40:24.360 Like it's a big deal to me. 04:40:24.360 --> 04:40:25.360 I never noticed. 04:40:25.360 --> 04:40:27.680 So they're close enough-ish. 04:40:27.680 --> 04:40:30.080 If you put them side by side, maybe you're, maybe you're right. 04:40:30.080 --> 04:40:31.080 I don't know. 04:40:31.080 --> 04:40:35.720 I'd have to take a look. 04:40:35.720 --> 04:40:37.600 Give me a second to catch up on Dono's. 04:40:37.600 --> 04:40:39.080 I just want to read this. 04:40:39.080 --> 04:40:42.200 This scares me a bit. I was under the impression that we would be getting a proper evergreen 04:40:42.200 --> 04:40:46.200 version of WoW. Even the slide sign will increase, will eventually cause issues. Any form of 04:40:46.200 --> 04:40:49.360 vertical progression, no matter how small, will have a ripple effect. The whole point 04:40:49.360 --> 04:40:52.040 of a cap to item also, like the ability you can play around with, as low as you 04:40:52.040 --> 04:40:59.320 want, the system or item level can still increase. So there will still be a small 04:40:59.320 --> 04:41:04.760 amount of vertical progression in the game. However, items sometimes need to be slightly 04:41:04.760 --> 04:41:08.920 stronger when new raids are introduced, Tim explains. Yeah, I mean, I think, I think that 04:41:08.920 --> 04:41:13.280 makes sense. Even so, this is what players don't understand about horizontal progression 04:41:13.280 --> 04:41:22.880 versus vertical progression. It's not a binary choice. It's, it's a spectrum. How vertical, 04:41:22.880 --> 04:41:28.000 how horizontal, because you can have aspects of both. For example, runescape beginner 04:41:28.000 --> 04:41:34.640 items are weaker than runescape items that come later on or in patches that come 04:41:34.640 --> 04:41:40.040 later on. There are stronger items that eventually get introduced. Oh, that's vertical. No, not 04:41:40.040 --> 04:41:47.840 entirely. It has aspects of it. It's a spectrum. Okay, how vertical, how horizontal? The it's 04:41:47.840 --> 04:41:52.640 not one of the other, right? So that's where that's where people get confused. That is 04:41:52.640 --> 04:41:56.760 just like by definition, right? So we've talked about this years ago, but to bring 04:41:56.760 --> 04:42:02.560 up the conversation again, you need some verticality. You can't have items literally 04:42:02.560 --> 04:42:06.760 never become stronger. Of course, there's going to be some that will slowly increase. 04:42:06.760 --> 04:42:11.200 The difference is, it's not going to be, let me get a whole new tier set and throw away 04:42:11.200 --> 04:42:16.360 everything I have before every single tier. Instead, let me take a few pieces from this 04:42:16.360 --> 04:42:20.840 tier and mix it with a few pieces from that one. And the stuff that I used from last 04:42:20.840 --> 04:42:24.400 year, maybe I'll actually hold on to because the set bonus might come in handy if we 04:42:24.400 --> 04:42:28.640 do that raid again, or the set bonus will come in handy when we farm this content 04:42:28.640 --> 04:42:30.940 It formed this trinket for this player in our raid. 04:42:30.940 --> 04:42:36.420 So, so yes, that's what, that's what this is about. 04:42:36.420 --> 04:42:37.620 This isn't a surprise. 04:42:45.680 --> 04:42:46.680 Any word on backspace? 04:42:46.680 --> 04:42:47.520 We need more. 04:42:50.780 --> 04:42:51.800 Makes it match that pieces. 04:42:51.800 --> 04:42:52.620 I love that. 04:42:52.620 --> 04:42:53.440 Yep. 04:42:58.640 --> 04:43:04.080 We need way more bank space, yeah. 04:43:04.080 --> 04:43:05.400 They said the bank is much larger. 04:43:05.400 --> 04:43:06.400 Nice. 04:43:06.400 --> 04:43:08.000 Banks will be four times larger confirmed. 04:43:08.000 --> 04:43:09.400 Where is that confirmation? 04:43:09.400 --> 04:43:11.880 I would like to check that out, which is good. 04:43:11.880 --> 04:43:14.040 Which is not only good, but necessary. 04:43:14.040 --> 04:43:22.880 If you horizontally progress, we need much, much, much, much, much larger banks, period. 04:43:22.880 --> 04:43:24.680 Akron said it in an interview. 04:43:24.680 --> 04:43:26.320 Oh, the MMO. 04:43:26.320 --> 04:43:30.960 Let's see if I can find this. 04:43:30.960 --> 04:43:33.920 Is it in this interview? 04:43:33.920 --> 04:43:43.080 Okay, so I'm going to have all these super specific kinds of gear and I know bags were 04:43:43.080 --> 04:43:44.320 small or how you get to adjusting. 04:43:44.320 --> 04:43:48.960 Yeah, so the default bank is, I believe it's either twice or four times as large. 04:43:48.960 --> 04:43:50.600 So the default bank is much larger. 04:43:50.600 --> 04:43:52.720 I think it's 96 loss or something like that. 04:43:52.720 --> 04:43:56.200 And then bags, they will start the same size as original. 04:43:56.200 --> 04:43:58.340 You don't want it to, you know, it's like nature, 04:43:58.340 --> 04:44:00.900 much like players, a pours of acumen, you know, 04:44:00.900 --> 04:44:04.100 they will fit, they'll fill it with things. 04:44:04.100 --> 04:44:05.340 And so you really get to the point where you need it, 04:44:05.340 --> 04:44:08.420 we're probably gonna increase the bag space too much, 04:44:08.420 --> 04:44:10.920 but over time, I definitely expect us to do things for that. 04:44:10.920 --> 04:44:13.920 So larger bank default and eventually larger bags 04:44:13.920 --> 04:44:16.960 to fill the bank with larger banks, a lot of bags loss. 04:44:19.180 --> 04:44:22.420 What's important is this, they're on top of it. 04:44:22.420 --> 04:44:25.340 And if it gets to the point where our banks are just full, 04:44:25.340 --> 04:44:30.200 Maybe default 96 could change to default 145 04:44:30.200 --> 04:44:31.560 down the road or whatever. 04:44:31.560 --> 04:44:34.160 Like, they could probably just up that number 04:44:34.160 --> 04:44:37.120 if we need it, you know, five years from now. 04:44:37.120 --> 04:44:38.560 It's like, okay, this is just too small now. 04:44:38.560 --> 04:44:40.200 Let's bump it up. 04:44:40.200 --> 04:44:41.560 They did that on RuneScape too? 04:44:41.560 --> 04:44:42.360 Yeah, exactly. 04:44:42.360 --> 04:44:45.400 Like, right now, this should probably be pretty good. 04:44:45.400 --> 04:44:48.160 But down the road, maybe they'll just keep bumping. 04:44:55.340 --> 04:45:04.220 Classic already looks substantially different from 1.12. 04:45:04.220 --> 04:45:06.940 Every major version of WoW is different rendering animation handling. 04:45:06.940 --> 04:45:08.580 This is to be expected. 04:45:08.580 --> 04:45:10.820 Yes, I completely agree. 04:45:10.820 --> 04:45:14.140 I agree so much I'm going to replay that. 04:45:14.140 --> 04:45:19.140 CL already looks substantially different from 1.12.1. 04:45:19.140 --> 04:45:23.020 Every major version of WoW has different rendering slash animation handling. 04:45:23.020 --> 04:45:25.840 Yep. 04:45:25.840 --> 04:45:32.320 I completely agree. 04:45:32.320 --> 04:45:36.480 It seems like Blizzard decided to build WoW2 as forever. 04:45:36.480 --> 04:45:43.360 And in that, they seem to have decided to use mostly retail aesthetics with mostly CL mechanics. 04:45:43.360 --> 04:45:46.880 CL players should be happy we won't the mechanics war. 04:45:46.880 --> 04:45:49.040 Too much gatekeeping emo. 04:45:49.040 --> 04:45:51.040 Yeah, fair enough. 04:45:51.040 --> 04:45:57.580 enough. That's an interesting take. WoW2 is forever retail aesthetic classic 04:45:57.580 --> 04:46:01.000 mechanics. As someone who like really likes the classic aesthetic like I get 04:46:01.000 --> 04:46:08.160 it man I get it. You see Pao's WoW fog ever? Yeah. 04:46:08.160 --> 04:46:14.140 the 04:46:14.140 --> 04:46:21.120 ex-QL links the prom 04:46:21.120 --> 04:46:26.360 was just rolling me dropping the demo and I'm in Prague. Oh no, they didn't ask you beforehand. 04:46:26.360 --> 04:46:31.800 Oh, sorry, bro. 04:46:31.800 --> 04:46:35.240 I've seen the tier sets, yeah. 04:46:35.240 --> 04:46:36.640 The mage one looks so troll. 04:46:51.040 --> 04:46:53.440 When having different tiers on different items makes sense. 04:46:53.440 --> 04:46:55.200 So you'd have a neck, rings, and cloak for tier one, 04:46:55.200 --> 04:46:57.040 and tier two would be head, shoulders, chest. 04:46:57.040 --> 04:47:00.120 Nah, I think you can mix and match anyway without doing that. 04:47:00.120 --> 04:47:02.320 So in Season of Discovery, for example, like, 04:47:04.040 --> 04:47:06.200 I guess maybe a lot of people didn't play SOD. 04:47:07.520 --> 04:47:09.040 I'll quickly log into my SOD guy 04:47:09.040 --> 04:47:11.840 and show you exactly what I'm talking about. 04:47:11.840 --> 04:47:14.640 Cause I think it was kind of fun how they did it there. 04:47:15.840 --> 04:47:17.200 Goodness gracious. 04:47:17.200 --> 04:47:18.720 Too many versions of WoW, man. 04:47:18.720 --> 04:47:20.400 While SD is toggled. 04:47:20.400 --> 04:47:23.920 The new tier sets in Skyborg are all very modern 04:47:23.920 --> 04:47:25.840 and plush with the SD art style 04:47:25.840 --> 04:47:28.880 and it doesn't seem like we'll get low-res versions 04:47:28.880 --> 04:47:29.720 for SD. 04:47:30.120 --> 04:47:33.560 Where is saw dude? Oh here it is. Gosh. It's so confusing 04:47:34.200 --> 04:47:38.920 Monetization will be going forward new periodic money gated races or what? 04:47:41.160 --> 04:47:43.880 What are your thoughts on the hd models while sd is toggled I 04:47:48.400 --> 04:47:52.980 Don't I don't like the hd models the new tier sets and scubber models are all very modern and clash of the sd art 04:47:52.980 --> 04:47:54.980 So I agree with that oh 04:47:54.980 --> 04:47:59.180 Oh no, sod is gone. 04:47:59.180 --> 04:48:05.580 The CAS system was unable to initialize tapped instance creation failure. 04:48:05.580 --> 04:48:08.180 Sod is gone. 04:48:08.180 --> 04:48:13.740 Okay, nevermind. 04:48:13.740 --> 04:48:17.100 Have they confirmed or talked about what monetization will be going forward? 04:48:17.100 --> 04:48:24.460 No, but I would assume more things like it's free to play with a sub and every time there's 04:48:24.460 --> 04:48:27.100 a new race you'll pay for the race I would assume that's the model they went 04:48:27.100 --> 04:48:31.620 with. It's not his back guys, it's not his back. 04:48:32.300 --> 04:48:38.700 Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa 04:48:42.300 --> 04:48:47.780 Hazer thoughts on MutiRug only having one damaging ability that they can press 04:48:47.780 --> 04:48:52.420 once every six seconds at best. I'm gonna call you on that as that's 04:48:52.420 --> 04:48:57.620 fake news, but I will prove it in a second here or prove you right in a second here. Give me a sec. 04:48:57.620 --> 04:48:59.700 Okay, so in season of discovery on a mage, 04:49:03.460 --> 04:49:10.580 for PVP, what I do is I have my two set bonus as tier three, because you get reduced evo cool 04:49:10.580 --> 04:49:17.780 down by 80%. And then I have my three set bonus to get stamina and blink CDR. But then I also 04:49:17.780 --> 04:49:21.560 I also have my Zandalor 3 set bonus to get fingers of frost. 04:49:21.560 --> 04:49:23.220 How cool is that? 04:49:23.220 --> 04:49:27.340 I'm using ZG gear, Nax gear, and PVP gear. 04:49:27.340 --> 04:49:30.020 I love it. 04:49:30.020 --> 04:49:34.620 For PVE, I'm using my tier 3.5 set 04:49:34.620 --> 04:49:36.620 to get the strongest set bonuses. 04:49:36.620 --> 04:49:41.140 It's new, but I'm still using my AQ gear from AQ40 04:49:41.140 --> 04:49:45.780 to get my Fire Blast set bonus for Enigma. 04:49:45.780 --> 04:49:47.140 Love it. 04:49:47.140 --> 04:49:49.620 If I was doing Nax, I would actually, 04:49:49.620 --> 04:49:50.860 I don't have the setup, 04:49:50.860 --> 04:49:52.860 but I would actually create a set 04:49:52.860 --> 04:49:55.500 where I would get my four set tier three 04:49:55.500 --> 04:50:00.500 and my four set 3.5 and my AQ gear. 04:50:00.580 --> 04:50:05.580 The point is you can use and mix and match 04:50:07.220 --> 04:50:08.300 the set bonuses already. 04:50:08.300 --> 04:50:09.940 Like it's pretty sick, right? 04:50:09.940 --> 04:50:11.580 So I hope they do stuff like that. 04:50:11.580 --> 04:50:12.780 It's really, really fun. 04:50:12.780 --> 04:50:20.780 Okay, so that guy was saying that the rogue rotation is one button. 04:50:20.780 --> 04:50:26.940 I think you're wrong, but I want to like just see what's going on. 04:50:26.940 --> 04:50:31.340 So you said one but one damaging ability they can press every six seconds. 04:50:31.340 --> 04:50:36.820 Okay, so right away you're already pressing mutilate and you're spending with venom. 04:50:36.820 --> 04:50:37.820 That's two. 04:50:37.820 --> 04:50:41.260 Okay, so right away you're wrong, but two is still too little. 04:50:41.260 --> 04:50:42.340 You're going to keep up slice. 04:50:42.340 --> 04:50:43.420 So that's three. 04:50:43.420 --> 04:50:46.180 You're going to be doing mutilates to slice, 04:50:46.180 --> 04:50:47.700 to more mutilates to venoms. 04:50:47.700 --> 04:50:49.220 So that's three. 04:50:49.220 --> 04:50:52.900 So you're already very wrong. 04:50:52.900 --> 04:50:55.820 But still, three is kind of on the low end, I must admit. 04:50:55.820 --> 04:50:58.420 So if it's only three, then I still kind of agree. 04:50:58.420 --> 04:51:00.420 Maybe that's a little simplistic. 04:51:00.420 --> 04:51:01.580 Let's take a look, though. 04:51:12.340 --> 04:51:22.620 I don't think you would use rupture as a sass, if I'm not mistaken. 04:51:22.620 --> 04:51:31.020 That would be more of a sub. 04:51:31.020 --> 04:51:41.940 Okay, yeah, so I think a sass, like, it's definitely not one button, because we counted 04:51:41.940 --> 04:51:45.840 yesterday so I knew that so I kind of cheated but it's three you keep up you 04:51:45.840 --> 04:51:50.940 spam mutilate you keep up slice you keep up actually you might keep up Venom and 04:51:50.940 --> 04:51:58.880 actually spend with like of this so might it might actually be four but 04:51:58.880 --> 04:52:02.520 three of them are spenders so I agree with you in the sense that it is it 04:52:02.520 --> 04:52:13.640 assassination does seem a bit like it. You might spend with expose so yeah maybe 04:52:13.640 --> 04:52:17.980 you're like mutilate mutilate mutilate slice mutilate mutilate mutilate venom 04:52:17.980 --> 04:52:22.340 mutilate mutilate mutilate expose mutilate mutilate slice mutilate mutilate venom 04:52:22.340 --> 04:52:25.260 mutilate mutilate expose kind of like keeping all these bumps up like 04:52:25.260 --> 04:52:27.260 something like that, I don't know. 04:52:45.340 --> 04:52:47.840 One button plus buffs. 04:52:47.840 --> 04:52:52.340 So, so four buttons, but yeah, still, still though, 04:52:52.340 --> 04:52:54.380 I, I, I, I kind of agree. 04:52:54.380 --> 04:52:57.220 Like, so sub rotation is going to be like, 04:52:57.220 --> 04:53:01.860 you open with an ambush, you'll hemo, you'll rupture, 04:53:01.860 --> 04:53:05.660 you'll backstab, and then you'll ambush again with a proc, 04:53:05.660 --> 04:53:08.180 and then you'll backstab, backstab, keep up hemo, 04:53:08.180 --> 04:53:11.400 keep up rupture, ambush proc, right? 04:53:11.400 --> 04:53:13.140 A lot of the other specs have like this 04:53:13.140 --> 04:53:15.500 kind of interesting rotation. 04:53:15.500 --> 04:53:17.980 I agree, like assassination might be, 04:53:17.980 --> 04:53:19.940 might be a little simplistic, you know? 04:53:19.940 --> 04:53:20.940 I think that's fine. 04:53:20.940 --> 04:53:27.060 Oh, yeah, Sub will also probably keep up Slice, so it's probably gonna be like Slice, Rupture, 04:53:27.060 --> 04:53:53.860 chemo backstab ambush, you know. 04:53:53.860 --> 04:53:55.060 We got a super chef from Bill. 04:53:55.060 --> 04:53:57.060 any idea of mage's will be able to heal? 04:53:58.060 --> 04:54:00.060 Blink twice if under NDA, but yes 04:54:01.400 --> 04:54:03.360 Guys pretty much everything I know is out there 04:54:03.360 --> 04:54:07.640 There's like very small things that I know that aren't out there like you guys are pretty much caught up at this point 04:54:09.640 --> 04:54:15.040 Tomorrow's Q&A will probably say everything that I know so by tomorrow it'll probably be like 100% 04:54:15.680 --> 04:54:20.020 No mage's won't be able to heal as far as I know at least and that's good 04:54:20.020 --> 04:54:23.180 I don't want mage healers even being a mage. That's kind of weird like oh 04:54:23.180 --> 04:54:27.460 Oh, let me I can PvP. Let me just like heal myself to full like it's crazy 04:54:28.800 --> 04:54:33.460 New willy video. I met willy at blizzcon by the way 04:54:39.060 --> 04:54:41.060 He was a very cool guy 04:54:43.700 --> 04:54:47.820 The scope of this game is insane, I guess we could watch that I like willy content 04:54:53.180 --> 04:55:02.560 So Blizzcon is over and we found out tons of information about the next step in World 04:55:02.560 --> 04:55:04.360 of Warcraft, well forever. 04:55:04.360 --> 04:55:08.400 Today I want to break down all the additional information that we've heard about this entirely 04:55:08.400 --> 04:55:13.360 new version of the game, both from Blizzcon and some additional information that we've 04:55:13.360 --> 04:55:15.600 heard about this entirely new version. 04:55:15.600 --> 04:55:21.100 Guys is someone who likes the OG graphics. I still have got to say 04:55:22.320 --> 04:55:26.020 This looks so good. What okay, what I what do I like about this? 04:55:26.220 --> 04:55:30.680 What I like about this is the tree here is still like low poly 04:55:31.240 --> 04:55:35.240 Like that the tree here isn't like trying to be this like fancy tree 04:55:35.320 --> 04:55:41.120 Like the hut over here is still like the original like hut, you know, it's like sharp angle 04:55:41.320 --> 04:55:45.120 You know whatever but then like you're adding in like the lighting on the water 04:55:45.600 --> 04:55:50.800 Like, it just looks so cool, man. Like, it's just like, oh, dude. 04:55:53.120 --> 04:55:55.200 Oh, yeah. Like, just, just, just... 04:56:00.880 --> 04:56:03.600 All right. You guys are saying it's a bit loud? 04:56:03.600 --> 04:56:08.240 And of the game, both from BlizzCon, from interviews, from the demos, and so on. 04:56:08.240 --> 04:56:10.640 There's been tons of information floating about, 04:56:10.640 --> 04:56:14.880 and it appears as though this version of the world is even more expensive than I anticipate. 04:56:14.880 --> 04:56:19.200 Here's another great example, oh my god floating about and it appears as though this version of the 04:56:19.200 --> 04:56:24.240 world is even more expensive. Like you see though that the the sun rays coming through and then 04:56:24.240 --> 04:56:29.440 like the glistening on the water but then you still have like you know the sharp corners and like 04:56:29.440 --> 04:56:36.320 the OG mountains and stuff but like it's just like so gorgeous you know. Then I anticipated if you 04:56:36.320 --> 04:56:41.040 didn't know the beta will start on September 17th and the release will be November 4th so this 04:56:41.040 --> 04:56:46.480 thing is coming up on us pretty quickly. There is a lot to go through here so let's make a start. 04:56:46.480 --> 04:56:51.440 But before we go on a quick word from today's sponsor Dragonair Silent Cards. Dragonair Silent 04:56:51.440 --> 04:56:56.720 Cards is a dark fantasy strategy RPG that's just reached its third anniversary and it's got a huge 04:56:56.720 --> 04:57:00.880 event on. The whole thing is built around two of the world's central figures, the child of 04:57:00.880 --> 04:57:06.080 chaos and the dark lady. 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When the beta starts on the Thursday 04:58:30.760 --> 04:58:37.320 I'm going to dive into each class and spec individually and see I want to go back to this for a second because 04:58:39.400 --> 04:58:40.680 When I was playing warrior 04:58:40.680 --> 04:58:42.680 I was having a lot of fun when I was playing mage 04:58:42.680 --> 04:58:46.680 I was a little bored which I like I hate to say that because like I'm a mage main, right? 04:58:48.400 --> 04:58:53.280 But what was cool when I was playing a warrior and I was tanking I wasn't DPS but I 04:58:54.560 --> 04:58:56.440 Had revenge procs and it's like okay 04:58:56.440 --> 04:59:00.420 But I wanted to get my thunder club out and I wanted to get my demo out and if I got a kill 04:59:00.420 --> 04:59:04.760 I could victory rush and I wanted to get sunders for threat and I wanted to use 04:59:05.240 --> 04:59:07.480 What was the shield thing called? 04:59:09.320 --> 04:59:13.480 It's not gosh, what was it called shield something a generator like a ton of threat 04:59:14.140 --> 04:59:18.240 If I extra rage I could dump it with heroic shield slim. Yeah, I 04:59:18.880 --> 04:59:24.040 Had a generator that I could use to get rage. I could taunt. I could stun. I can kick 04:59:24.040 --> 04:59:27.240 I can AoE taunt, I can disarm, I can battle shout. 04:59:27.240 --> 04:59:31.320 In a random trash pull, I'm gonna be battle shouting, 04:59:31.320 --> 04:59:36.320 I'm gonna be T-Clapping demo, probably victory rush, 04:59:36.760 --> 04:59:39.400 probably revengeing, probably sundering, 04:59:39.400 --> 04:59:42.780 probably shield slamming, probably taunting. 04:59:44.080 --> 04:59:46.080 You know, let's say you're not even gonna press fear 04:59:46.080 --> 04:59:48.960 or cleave or disarm or AoE taunt, 04:59:48.960 --> 04:59:51.160 like just a lot more you could press, even concussive. 04:59:51.160 --> 04:59:52.400 So just a normal trash pull, 04:59:52.400 --> 04:59:54.400 You're gonna hit at least eight buttons 04:59:55.280 --> 05:00:01.760 That's fun like I really I really enjoyed playing my warrior at the event and then same thing with Paladin 05:00:01.760 --> 05:00:07.040 It was very similar with my Paladin. I was probably pressing about I don't know eight keys or something 05:00:07.040 --> 05:00:09.720 Just on a normal trash pole. Like it was really fun 05:00:10.440 --> 05:00:13.240 And I know what you guys might be thinking 05:00:15.160 --> 05:00:20.680 So play a warrior because mages are one button and it's like well, maybe I will like honestly 05:00:20.680 --> 05:00:24.700 Maybe I will because like it was really fun playing warrior and it was a really fun playing 05:00:24.700 --> 05:00:28.760 Pali on my mage who was kind of one button. 05:00:28.760 --> 05:00:33.520 You know, I was like I'm going to fireball a lot, you know, so maybe they'll make some 05:00:33.520 --> 05:00:37.920 changes to mage or maybe I just play something like this where I'm already having fun. 05:00:37.920 --> 05:00:38.920 You know what I mean? 05:00:38.920 --> 05:00:39.920 Like I don't know. 05:00:39.920 --> 05:00:40.920 It's a starts on the Thursday. 05:00:40.920 --> 05:00:45.400 I'm going to dive into each class and spec individually and see everything that's 05:00:45.400 --> 05:00:49.660 changed so I can give you the best impression possible of exactly what to expect from 05:00:49.660 --> 05:00:54.160 your main, when WoW forever releases. Of course it will just be during the beta and things 05:00:54.160 --> 05:00:58.540 will be liable to change, but at least we can look what Blizzard's ideas are. Ratios 05:00:58.540 --> 05:01:03.060 have also changed pretty significantly too so expect a video on that. But yeah as soon 05:01:03.060 --> 05:01:07.260 as I can get on the beta I'll start making content about all the class changes. Blizzard 05:01:07.260 --> 05:01:11.220 have also talked about how they want combat to feel in spite of all the class changes 05:01:11.220 --> 05:01:15.300 perhaps. They want the classes to remain simple and distinct. They want WoW forever 05:01:15.300 --> 05:01:19.460 to have slower paced gameplay, they want group gameplay that's tactical not just pull 05:01:19.460 --> 05:01:23.500 everything in a weird down, they want a world with cc matters and they want a game where 05:01:23.500 --> 05:01:28.040 threat also matters, so this shouldn't go in the direction of season of discovery where 05:01:28.040 --> 05:01:32.380 you could just pull absolutely everything in a weird down, they're very much not heading 05:01:32.380 --> 05:01:37.340 in that direction with wow forever, they've also dated 8 ton of itemization in the 05:01:37.340 --> 05:01:42.260 game with so many different items receiving big overhauls, including low level gear 05:01:42.260 --> 05:01:46.240 getting way more spell power on it so you actually feel good about upgrades as a caster 05:01:46.240 --> 05:01:51.980 which I'm a big fan of, profession items, various quest items, and even dungeon rewards. 05:01:51.980 --> 05:01:56.160 Blizzard have also done a change that was done in TBC, where if you get a healing item 05:01:56.160 --> 05:01:59.800 it will have one third of its healing value as spell power on it as well. 05:01:59.800 --> 05:02:03.000 So if you're mainly a healer and you get a good drop from a raid or a dungeon, it's 05:02:03.000 --> 05:02:06.080 actually going to be somewhat useful in the open world too. 05:02:06.080 --> 05:02:09.880 They briefly mentioned not adding resilience to PvP as well, so if you're not a fan 05:02:09.880 --> 05:02:12.120 of that system then no worries. 05:02:12.120 --> 05:02:16.400 Strike chance has also been consolidated, as well as critical strike chance. 05:02:16.400 --> 05:02:20.720 This wasn't done to wrap up a lich king originally, but just making these two things into one 05:02:20.720 --> 05:02:25.480 stat, especially helps hybrids, and things such as taunting on warriors because taunting 05:02:25.480 --> 05:02:27.600 is a spell somewhat bizarrely. 05:02:27.600 --> 05:02:31.040 Weapon skill being a powerful stat will remain in the game, however Blizzard are 05:02:31.040 --> 05:02:35.680 going to make it much harder to get on items, however they are not entirely removing 05:02:35.680 --> 05:02:36.680 it. 05:02:36.680 --> 05:02:39.560 They'll also be adding many new stats to the game such as reducing the chance 05:02:39.560 --> 05:02:41.440 for attacks to be dodged or parried. 05:02:41.440 --> 05:02:48.880 is pretty much just to be clear I don't know if he was hinting at this but weapon skill isn't 05:02:48.880 --> 05:02:58.400 on human racial anymore it's uh what did they move it to 1% extra damage or crit or hit it was 05:02:58.400 --> 05:03:03.760 like something else it's not weapon skill anymore it's crit yeah 2% crit so if you're a human you 05:03:03.760 --> 05:03:08.320 get like the 2% crit with a sword but it's not mandatory to be human like it was with uh with 05:03:08.320 --> 05:03:11.760 with the weapon skill, which is really cool, really, really, really, really good. 05:03:11.760 --> 05:03:14.960 Just expertise, you should also know during Season of Disco... 05:03:14.960 --> 05:03:18.560 Oh, people are saying that download's available now, let's see it. 05:03:18.560 --> 05:03:22.160 Okay, I might be getting one guide, but I'm... 05:03:22.160 --> 05:03:24.640 Double-check again here. 05:03:24.640 --> 05:03:25.120 Nope, nevermind. 05:03:25.120 --> 05:03:29.960 Every Blizzard added plenty of other stats too, such as increased attack or casting speed, 05:03:29.960 --> 05:03:32.560 or increasing the effect of damage over time spells. 05:03:32.560 --> 05:03:37.520 On top of that, there's already plenty of text on talents alluding to the fact that dots will be able to create, 05:03:37.520 --> 05:03:43.960 I think this will be a change from day one to I'm kind of surprised they didn't go with a rating system for stats similar to how they did in 05:03:44.120 --> 05:03:47.720 TBC the difference between the two is in vanilla stats come with entire 05:03:48.120 --> 05:03:54.200 percentages tacked on to them and the difference between something being 1% and 2% is kind of well 05:03:54.200 --> 05:03:58.440 It's a lot. It's a hundred percent difference. I'm sure they thought this through long term though 05:03:58.440 --> 05:04:04.040 And how that's gonna work out with a jump from 1% here to 2% to 3% or even crit is 05:04:04.040 --> 05:04:08.680 just a massive upgrade. This is a very new stat so I had to come in to really broaden out how we can 05:04:08.680 --> 05:04:13.320 gain power. Well drop epics have also been improved across the board because whilst we have some really 05:04:13.320 --> 05:04:17.640 good ones such as acts of deep woods or edge masters, there were plenty of other ones like 05:04:17.640 --> 05:04:22.600 helm of nav or taran icebreaker which were kind of trashed and rare creatures across the world 05:04:22.600 --> 05:04:27.160 have had special loot added to them as well because nothing feels quite as bad as killing a 05:04:27.160 --> 05:04:31.560 rare mob and receiving some green item of the owl which you just want to vendor. Moving 05:04:31.560 --> 05:04:36.920 Moving on, allegedly from a clip from Savick's stream, there will be no world buffs in raids. 05:04:36.920 --> 05:04:40.560 We do still need to hear this officially from Blizzard, but this is currently the word on 05:04:40.560 --> 05:04:41.560 the street. 05:04:41.560 --> 05:04:45.800 Worldbush should still be available outside of raids, but hopefully the time of us needing 05:04:45.800 --> 05:04:49.560 to deal with this messy system in raids is finally over. 05:04:49.560 --> 05:04:52.920 As mentioned earlier, there have been a bunch of changes to Racial's and new race 05:04:52.920 --> 05:04:55.400 class combinations. 05:04:55.400 --> 05:04:58.280 True. 05:04:58.280 --> 05:05:00.680 World buffs won't work in raids. 05:05:00.680 --> 05:05:05.520 Now for Abba will have known Priest, Human Hunter, Dwarf, Shaman, Orc, Mage, Troll, Warlock, 05:05:05.520 --> 05:05:08.900 Undepalladin and more planned to come in the future. 05:05:08.900 --> 05:05:13.240 Each new race will also have two active and two passive ratios, with a mix of throughput 05:05:13.240 --> 05:05:14.240 and survivability. 05:05:14.240 --> 05:05:17.360 Again I'll be covering these when I can get on the beta. 05:05:17.360 --> 05:05:21.240 One more thing for ratios is that weapon skill ratios and resistance ratios have all 05:05:21.240 --> 05:05:22.680 been removed from the game. 05:05:22.680 --> 05:05:27.000 There are still ratios which encourage you to equip a certain type of weapon, however 05:05:27.000 --> 05:05:30.600 it will give you critical strike chance now instead of weapon skill. 05:05:30.600 --> 05:05:34.640 When it comes to classes and talents, Blizzard have removed certain talents such as the ones 05:05:34.640 --> 05:05:35.640 which... 05:05:35.640 --> 05:05:42.440 Bro, when I was playing Pali, it was just so fun because I had my seal to keep up and 05:05:42.440 --> 05:05:47.940 I had judgment and then I had a way to reset my judgment but then I had Holy Strike. 05:05:47.940 --> 05:05:51.880 Holy Strike was so sick because it's like, okay, I actually have a button to attack 05:05:51.880 --> 05:05:52.880 with. 05:05:52.880 --> 05:05:53.880 I never played Red. 05:05:53.880 --> 05:05:55.200 When I was playing, I played Prott. 05:05:55.200 --> 05:05:58.840 So from there, I actually had Holy Shield as well and Consecration. 05:05:58.840 --> 05:06:02.560 I could keep down consecration, put up my Holy Shield, 05:06:02.560 --> 05:06:05.560 judgment to taunt, Holy Strike to attack. 05:06:05.560 --> 05:06:07.240 I could always reset and re-judge. 05:06:07.240 --> 05:06:10.600 I could swap my seal, just like so many things. 05:06:10.600 --> 05:06:12.240 Of course, I always have like my blessings, 05:06:12.240 --> 05:06:16.360 blessing of freedom, blessing of protection for utility 05:06:16.360 --> 05:06:19.120 in my auras and stuns and all that. 05:06:19.120 --> 05:06:21.360 But just in terms of like rotational buttons, 05:06:21.360 --> 05:06:24.240 it was like, oh, I have things to actually use now. 05:06:24.240 --> 05:06:25.720 I never tried RET, I'm talking Prada, 05:06:25.720 --> 05:06:27.360 but still it was pretty sick. 05:06:27.360 --> 05:06:31.600 skill. When it comes to classes and talents, Blizzard have removed certain talents such 05:06:31.600 --> 05:06:36.280 as the ones which improve other spells such as improved Blessing of Might, Hunters Mark, 05:06:36.280 --> 05:06:40.400 Battleshell, all those kind of things. Those kind of talents are now just baited into the 05:06:40.400 --> 05:06:44.560 abilities baseline. The goal for Blizzard was to make all talents feel as though something 05:06:44.560 --> 05:06:45.560 that you would want. 05:06:45.560 --> 05:06:51.920 Someone go, someone goes, bro, you're a mage, make some water. 05:06:51.920 --> 05:06:53.760 To bring in different scenarios. Sorry, sir. 05:06:53.760 --> 05:06:58.140 They're not trying to make every class equal, but they do want them to have unique strengths. 05:06:58.140 --> 05:07:00.960 Next, I want to talk about these servers and the infrastructure. 05:07:00.960 --> 05:07:05.820 Blizzard noted how players always gravitated towards larger realms a long term, 05:07:05.820 --> 05:07:09.340 and modern infrastructure makes it possible to have more people together now. 05:07:09.340 --> 05:07:13.260 To that end, in WoW Forever, we are going realm-less. 05:07:13.260 --> 05:07:15.460 You'll no longer be picking a realm. 05:07:15.460 --> 05:07:19.960 Instead, you're just going to be picking the type of game mode that you want to play. 05:07:19.960 --> 05:07:24.460 I think this is so good. Like I think they should actually do this for 05:07:25.300 --> 05:07:30.780 Retail could retail move to this now retail is war mode. I guess you don't really need to do that with war mode 05:07:31.260 --> 05:07:35.940 This is just so sick. It's not like oh, I'm gonna pick the wrong realm ever again. How do you want to play? 05:07:36.520 --> 05:07:39.300 Normal PV. Oh, they call it normal instead of PvE 05:07:41.520 --> 05:07:46.420 No, I don't play a PvE realm guys I play a normal rule set 05:07:46.420 --> 05:07:54.580 it's normal not not you'll have to choose between normal pvp hardcore and 05:07:54.580 --> 05:07:58.420 role play now hardcore won't be available straight away from launch it will be coming 05:07:58.420 --> 05:08:03.180 winter sometime this year or early next year so imagine each different rule set that you 05:08:03.180 --> 05:08:07.060 pick is its own mega realm and you'll only be able to group and play with people on the 05:08:07.060 --> 05:08:11.140 same rule set there are also language preference settings too so if you 05:08:11.140 --> 05:08:15.020 prefer to plan a certain language other people with that same setting will 05:08:15.020 --> 05:08:17.900 appear in your world more often. And it seemed as though Blizzard had also- 05:08:17.900 --> 05:08:19.500 Oh I missed that, that's kinda cool. 05:08:21.740 --> 05:08:27.980 Portuguese, Spanish, English. Oh that's actually pretty cool. Preferred language. 05:08:27.980 --> 05:08:28.460 Oh that's pretty interesting. 05:08:28.460 --> 05:08:32.300 To be able to be forcing a fancy balance on these mega realms similar to how they did in 05:08:32.300 --> 05:08:36.460 Season of Discovery. Overall I think going round this seems like a pretty big win and 05:08:36.460 --> 05:08:40.060 I can't wait to see how it pans out. Briefly touching on collections Blizzard 05:08:40.060 --> 05:08:43.180 mentioned that there'll be a count wide and when you earn things there'll be shared 05:08:43.180 --> 05:08:48.540 across different game modes apart from on hardcore. Collections on hardcore will just be available on 05:08:48.540 --> 05:08:53.180 that particular round type. In an interview Blizzard said they have no plans for the WoW token or 05:08:53.180 --> 05:08:57.660 player character boost in WoW forever. And my thought to that is hmm we'll see how that one 05:08:57.660 --> 05:09:06.620 ages. The thing is they TRUE TRUE TRUE. They legitimately cannot offer the WoW token or 05:09:06.620 --> 05:09:11.180 boosts at this point in time. I mean what are you gonna spend 15 or 20 dollars on a WoW token 05:09:11.180 --> 05:09:15.660 or however much it is, and then exchange it for 2 gold in game. Great let me just get 50 05:09:15.660 --> 05:09:20.540 well tokened to my level 40 mount, yeah that's not gonna add up. Similarly they can't sell 05:09:20.540 --> 05:09:24.780 character boosts when we're all gonna be level 1 it just doesn't make sense. Still though this is 05:09:24.780 --> 05:09:29.100 very nice to hear and I hope I don't have to come back to this statement at a later date and say 05:09:29.100 --> 05:09:33.900 well they changed their mind on that. Now let's talk transmogrification, it will be available 05:09:33.900 --> 05:09:37.820 in wow forever, and there are a few different ways you can interact with this system. 05:09:37.820 --> 05:09:45.760 You can simply talk to an NPC and opt out entirely, or when you log into a character there is a mode selector, where you can have it turned off by default. 05:09:45.760 --> 05:09:49.320 Effectively it would be as if this system never existed in the world. 05:09:49.320 --> 05:09:52.820 Lizard also addressed concerns about the collection side of Transmog. 05:09:52.820 --> 05:09:59.120 So when something drops in a dungeon you won't have to roll off against other people who may want the item for the purpose of Transmog. 05:09:59.120 --> 05:10:05.420 Now when an item is awarded to a player, all players who are eligible to equip that item will unlock that appearance slot. 05:10:05.420 --> 05:10:07.940 So no stress about competing with people here. 05:10:07.980 --> 05:10:12.100 This however won't be true in raids and only the person receiving an epic item 05:10:12.100 --> 05:10:14.300 will be eligible to unlock the appearance. 05:10:14.300 --> 05:10:15.700 This is I didn't know that. 05:10:15.700 --> 05:10:17.300 Did you guys? It's not. 05:10:17.300 --> 05:10:20.340 I thought it in raids, you have to actually loot the item. 05:10:20.340 --> 05:10:22.540 I actually didn't know that. 05:10:22.540 --> 05:10:25.220 OK, interesting. 05:10:25.220 --> 05:10:26.820 I'm not going to be a transmog Andy. 05:10:26.820 --> 05:10:28.980 I'm just going to turn it off so it doesn't really affect me much, 05:10:28.980 --> 05:10:32.140 but that that is interesting. 05:10:32.140 --> 05:10:35.500 is because epic items should have a bit more prestige tied to them. 05:10:35.500 --> 05:10:38.780 You also cannot transmog high level items when you are a lower level, 05:10:38.780 --> 05:10:41.420 but when you're level capped all restrictions are removed. 05:10:41.420 --> 05:10:46.060 So it's very much the case you can interact with transmog as much as you want to in WoW forever, 05:10:46.060 --> 05:10:48.380 and this is another huge W in my opinion. 05:10:48.380 --> 05:10:52.380 Blizzard also mentioned a bit more about professions and the new camping system as well. 05:10:52.380 --> 05:10:56.540 There are over 600 new profession recipes in WoW forever, 05:10:56.540 --> 05:11:00.140 massively expanding every single thing we knew about the game. 05:11:00.140 --> 05:11:06.140 For camping, any player can set up a camp and then other people can interact with it depending on which professions they have. 05:11:06.140 --> 05:11:10.140 Dude, that shrewd and hunter tier sets actually just look so good. 05:11:10.140 --> 05:11:13.640 I don't know, I really like them, they're sick. 05:11:13.640 --> 05:11:17.640 And they can give people sitting at that camp buffs similar to other players. 05:11:17.640 --> 05:11:18.640 And the mage one. 05:11:18.640 --> 05:11:20.140 They can get from other players. 05:11:20.140 --> 05:11:23.640 So for example, whether you have black smithing, alchemy or so on, you can give them a critical hit. 05:11:23.640 --> 05:11:24.640 That's not the mage one, it's a recall. 05:11:24.640 --> 05:11:26.640 There's a stamina buff similar to fortitude. 05:11:26.640 --> 05:11:31.880 It's just a nice way to interact with other players, get some buffs, and take a little break from the road for a moment. 05:11:31.880 --> 05:11:34.520 The Barber Shop will be available in a while forever. 05:11:34.520 --> 05:11:36.320 Dungeon grinding has been nerfed. 05:11:36.320 --> 05:11:39.840 Blizzard's experience from monsters in dungeons has been reduced by a lot. 05:11:39.840 --> 05:11:42.320 West's experience has been increased by a lot. 05:11:42.320 --> 05:11:47.080 This effectively is going to kill boosting, as well as dungeon grinding to Wabble. 05:11:47.080 --> 05:11:53.720 Blizzard want you out in the open world experiencing all the new content, not sitting in Scarlet Monastery for hours grinding away. 05:11:53.720 --> 05:11:56.560 I love this so much. 05:11:56.560 --> 05:11:57.620 Like I love this. 05:11:57.620 --> 05:11:58.720 So if you guys missed this, 05:11:58.720 --> 05:12:00.880 this was from an interview with Chris 05:12:00.880 --> 05:12:04.400 and basically they're gonna give you a lot of XP 05:12:04.400 --> 05:12:06.080 for doing a dungeon the first time 05:12:06.080 --> 05:12:07.920 because a lot of the dungeon XP 05:12:07.920 --> 05:12:09.560 is gonna be through the quests. 05:12:09.560 --> 05:12:10.960 So, and there's gonna be way more dungeons, 05:12:10.960 --> 05:12:12.280 nine new dungeons, right? 05:12:12.280 --> 05:12:14.680 So every time you get all these dungeon quests, 05:12:14.680 --> 05:12:16.120 it's like you're very incentivized 05:12:16.120 --> 05:12:17.440 to go and do that dungeon. 05:12:17.440 --> 05:12:19.360 And if you wanna do it again to finish your quest 05:12:19.360 --> 05:12:21.440 or to go for a drop, like that's good too. 05:12:21.440 --> 05:12:24.000 but it's not gonna be the optimal way to level 05:12:24.000 --> 05:12:27.040 to just spam clear dungeons and reset over and over 05:12:27.040 --> 05:12:29.520 and over and never go out in the world. 05:12:29.520 --> 05:12:31.960 Like you'll be incentivized to actually go out in the world. 05:12:31.960 --> 05:12:33.900 If you wanna spam dungeons, you can, 05:12:33.900 --> 05:12:36.460 but it's not gonna be the quickest way to level anymore, 05:12:36.460 --> 05:12:38.680 which I just love. 05:12:38.680 --> 05:12:40.320 I thought this was so good. 05:12:42.120 --> 05:12:43.480 Once again, you can still do it 05:12:43.480 --> 05:12:45.920 if that's how you like to play. 05:12:45.920 --> 05:12:47.440 Just like before, you could still quest 05:12:47.440 --> 05:12:50.000 if that's how you like to play. 05:12:50.000 --> 05:12:52.880 Like in the past, spamming dungeons was the best, 05:12:52.880 --> 05:12:55.840 but if you wanted the quest, you could still quest. 05:12:55.840 --> 05:12:59.000 Now, questing will be faster, 05:12:59.000 --> 05:13:02.400 but if you want to spam dungeons, you can spam dungeons. 05:13:02.400 --> 05:13:04.320 So it's your choice still. 05:13:04.320 --> 05:13:06.640 It's your choice still, it's cool. 05:13:06.640 --> 05:13:08.720 I don't know if they're going to be nerfing gold farming 05:13:08.720 --> 05:13:11.320 from dungeons yet from classes such as mages 05:13:11.320 --> 05:13:13.520 or paladins, but if you've been paying attention 05:13:13.520 --> 05:13:15.640 to the changes they've been making in anniversary, 05:13:15.640 --> 05:13:17.400 I can say with some deal of confidence 05:13:17.400 --> 05:13:20.840 that they will not want you to a regal farming dungeons anymore. 05:13:20.840 --> 05:13:23.560 Blizzard also expanded on the legacy system. 05:13:23.560 --> 05:13:27.380 This is a brand new piece of content which is really focused on the leveling journey 05:13:27.380 --> 05:13:30.540 and encouraging you to play each ult in a slightly different way. 05:13:30.540 --> 05:13:34.300 As you level up characters and endpoints through dungeons, professions and so on, 05:13:34.300 --> 05:13:37.740 you'll gain points that can be used across all your different characters. 05:13:37.740 --> 05:13:42.540 This honestly seems like it's replacing where achievements would have gone in WoW forever. 05:13:42.540 --> 05:13:45.660 These points can then be allocated similarly to talents. 05:13:45.660 --> 05:13:50.160 For example, on the adventure tab you can gain more rested XP and accrue it faster. 05:13:50.160 --> 05:13:53.760 Or on the professions tree there's something called Bantiful Harvest where you simply get 05:13:53.760 --> 05:13:55.520 more items from gathering. 05:13:55.520 --> 05:13:59.200 And eventually you can make things which minorly impact your gameplay such as class 05:13:59.200 --> 05:14:01.400 spells no longer needing reagents. 05:14:01.400 --> 05:14:04.520 You'll be able to earn more and more points as time goes on there they will be capped 05:14:04.520 --> 05:14:06.020 upon release. 05:14:06.020 --> 05:14:07.360 There's some of these that I love. 05:14:07.360 --> 05:14:11.720 Like the reagent economy point is cool, like the gathering one's cool, but the 05:14:11.720 --> 05:14:14.560 talent one I think is just broken. 05:14:14.560 --> 05:14:20.120 If you guys haven't seen it, you get talent starting at level five instead of level 10. 05:14:20.120 --> 05:14:25.080 So essentially, if you're like level 15, you normally have five points, you get 10. 05:14:25.080 --> 05:14:30.400 Or at 35, you could get your 40 capstone point instead of waiting till 40, which I think like 05:14:30.400 --> 05:14:34.360 has ramifications past just, oh, that's cool and exciting. 05:14:34.360 --> 05:14:38.640 It's more like, oh, at level 15 when you're running deadlines or level 16 when you're 05:14:38.640 --> 05:14:42.560 running deadlines, you have like twice the amount of points as someone else in 05:14:42.560 --> 05:14:49.200 your group, which means you're just like way stronger. Um, nine, not five. No, it's five. 05:14:51.720 --> 05:14:55.440 No, you have one more. Wait, no, in my misunderstanding, I played it. It's literally 05:14:55.440 --> 05:15:00.440 you start at five instead of instead of 10, you put five points into it. 05:15:02.920 --> 05:15:07.280 Yeah, it's five ranks, one per point. It's total five. 05:15:08.220 --> 05:15:11.940 Zara's right. Yeah, I mean, I literally played so it's like you start at five and 05:15:12.540 --> 05:15:15.920 By level 15 or 16 or 17, you're going into the deadmines 05:15:15.920 --> 05:15:20.940 You have twice the amount of talent points of someone who doesn't have that it's a problem at low level, right? 05:15:20.940 --> 05:15:24.760 I just I just think it's too strong for something like a legacy tree 05:15:24.760 --> 05:15:30.560 I I think they should just gut it or like severely rework it probably just gut it and replace it with something else 05:15:30.560 --> 05:15:32.560 I think it's just too OP 05:15:32.560 --> 05:15:37.680 It's gonna be broken. It's mainly broken for twinking 19 twinks and like low-level dungeons 05:15:38.560 --> 05:15:45.260 At some point along the way when you're hit level 60. It doesn't matter at all, but I don't know. I'm not a fan 05:15:48.880 --> 05:15:50.880 I'm not a fan 05:15:52.360 --> 05:15:54.360 If you're pressured to level it too quickly 05:15:54.480 --> 05:16:00.800 There is also a legacy reward track as you gradually on points and the rewards here will be cosmetic or prestige based 05:16:00.800 --> 05:16:05.280 not gameplay power impacting and this of course will be expanded on in future 05:16:05.280 --> 05:16:09.260 patches. Blizzard are changing how you spend money on mounts so they're doing 05:16:09.260 --> 05:16:12.520 the change that was done in TBC where now the riding training will be the 05:16:12.520 --> 05:16:16.080 expensive part and the mounts will be the cheaper part. This is just really good 05:16:16.080 --> 05:16:19.000 for the collection side of the game because you don't want to be spending 05:16:19.000 --> 05:16:22.520 all that bonus gold on mounts. Blizzard also talked about the lore in the 05:16:22.520 --> 05:16:28.840 story. It'll also be good for mounts in the shop because then instead of 05:16:28.840 --> 05:16:32.080 like getting a free 100 gold or getting like a free 20. 05:16:32.080 --> 05:16:34.400 So, that's a W. 05:16:34.400 --> 05:16:38.960 Well Forever 2, and they're going to be focusing on building up characters within the world, 05:16:38.960 --> 05:16:42.160 rather than trying to make your character the real big player. 05:16:42.160 --> 05:16:46.640 They also mention Well Forever does not exist in the same timeline as Retail. 05:16:46.640 --> 05:16:49.880 The team very much has creative freedom to do what they want. 05:16:49.880 --> 05:16:52.280 And they have several approaches to new content too. 05:16:52.280 --> 05:16:56.000 They have what they call the anticipated content like Mouth Hydra. 05:16:56.000 --> 05:16:59.780 We know it's there, we've all seen it in the world, and we very much expect it to 05:16:59.780 --> 05:17:00.780 be introduced. 05:17:00.780 --> 05:17:05.740 We have the new but familiar content, experiences that build out the world such as the River 05:17:05.740 --> 05:17:10.920 Glades for example, and we have the unexpected new places in the Wild Narrative, and these 05:17:10.920 --> 05:17:14.920 will be used more sparingly, such as the new starter zone, Zephyrus Isle for the 05:17:14.920 --> 05:17:19.280 Skyborne Elves, and you'll be experiencing new things in the world right from the moment 05:17:19.280 --> 05:17:21.000 when you make your character. 05:17:21.000 --> 05:17:24.280 Even in your starting zone there'll be new things for professions, items to 05:17:24.280 --> 05:17:25.960 earn from quests and drops. 05:17:25.960 --> 05:17:29.740 introduction of brand new quests and so on. There have been additions made to the game 05:17:29.740 --> 05:17:34.200 of varying levels from 1 all the way to 60, though Blizzard have definitely put some more 05:17:34.200 --> 05:17:39.200 quests in certain gaps where you could easily run out of quests, such as that level 35 to 05:17:39.200 --> 05:17:43.740 45 zone, becoming a bit dry on quests towards the end of it, and they've also put 9 new 05:17:43.740 --> 05:17:47.480 dungeons in the game. The hope here from Blizzard is that when you level different 05:17:47.480 --> 05:17:51.940 characters, you're going to be able to go on a slightly different journey each time 05:17:51.940 --> 05:17:57.140 through the world with I mean I like I like all this like I really like that like right now and 05:17:57.140 --> 05:18:04.020 though and wow if you level on alliance or horde there's basically just enough quests to hit 60 05:18:04.020 --> 05:18:08.020 so much so to the point where like you kind of have to do almost all of them and you have to 05:18:08.020 --> 05:18:11.700 hit like every dungeon and even like the elite quest like if you do every quest you pretty much 05:18:11.700 --> 05:18:16.500 hit 60 right um in some points a lot of the leveling guides will actually tell you just grind 05:18:16.500 --> 05:18:22.020 and mobs it's faster. But now there's gonna be a slight surplus or even like a good amount 05:18:22.020 --> 05:18:26.180 of a surplus of quests, meaning like you can go a little different each time and like you'll 05:18:26.180 --> 05:18:32.740 still at 60. It's pretty cool, you know, it's pretty cool. Additionally, like like lore wise, 05:18:32.740 --> 05:18:38.980 I we've talked about this already, but I'm really happy that they're they're doing the alternate 05:18:38.980 --> 05:18:45.780 timeline approach, I suppose it's not just we can't do anything at all because anything we 05:18:45.780 --> 05:18:49.940 do is going to have lower ramifications that we can't mess with so we're just kind of like pigeon 05:18:49.940 --> 05:18:56.500 hold now it's like okay we can actually do some creative stuff too so i like i like pretty much 05:18:56.500 --> 05:19:03.380 like all of this is that darn ui man just okay vanilla the questing routes have been really 05:19:03.380 --> 05:19:08.980 well optimized and you still run out of things to do eventually and go and have to mob grind 05:19:08.980 --> 05:19:13.220 on one character during wow forever you might need to do all the new dungeons and zones 05:19:13.220 --> 05:19:17.060 And then on your next character, perhaps you go back to the more familiar route you know, 05:19:17.060 --> 05:19:19.380 and then discover a few extra things there too. 05:19:19.380 --> 05:19:23.300 It should be a more flexible leveling journey than the one we're used to in vanilla. 05:19:23.300 --> 05:19:28.420 And yes, it will almost certainly be faster, just because they've introduced so many extra things. 05:19:28.420 --> 05:19:31.380 It kind of has to be just because they've added so much. 05:19:31.380 --> 05:19:32.180 They've also- 05:19:32.180 --> 05:19:33.940 I don't know if I agree with Willy on that. 05:19:34.580 --> 05:19:36.580 It has to be faster because they added more. 05:19:36.580 --> 05:19:38.180 It doesn't seem to be true. 05:19:38.180 --> 05:19:40.820 It could be the same exact pace with more content. 05:19:40.820 --> 05:19:42.420 It could be slower with more content. 05:19:43.220 --> 05:19:46.020 Could it be faster with more content? 05:19:46.020 --> 05:19:50.580 I don't know. I want less XP. 05:19:50.580 --> 05:19:52.060 I think it's going to be slower. 05:19:52.060 --> 05:19:53.860 I think it's going to be quicker. Yes, it does. 05:19:53.860 --> 05:19:56.140 I mean, it doesn't necessarily mean any of those. 05:19:56.140 --> 05:19:58.380 We'll see once the beta comes out. 05:19:58.380 --> 05:20:01.300 My assumption is that the one to 60 05:20:01.300 --> 05:20:03.660 experience should take about the same time. 05:20:03.660 --> 05:20:05.220 Maybe I'm falsely assuming that, 05:20:05.220 --> 05:20:06.780 but I would not assume it's quicker. 05:20:06.780 --> 05:20:08.580 I would not assume it's slower. 05:20:08.580 --> 05:20:11.660 I would probably make the assumption it's about the same. 05:20:11.660 --> 05:20:17.260 I did a few extra means of travel throughout the world as well, including 3 new ship routes 05:20:17.260 --> 05:20:21.420 for the Alliance, or I guess for the Horde if you can just walk onto the boat as well, 05:20:21.420 --> 05:20:22.420 which you can. 05:20:22.420 --> 05:20:26.660 Those are Stormwind Harbor to Oberdien, the infamous wetlands run is officially dead. 05:20:26.660 --> 05:20:30.500 Menethil Harbor to South Shore and then over to Oberdien, so no need to do that run 05:20:30.500 --> 05:20:34.220 through a raffy highlands anymore, as well as Steamweed or ports, that's the one 05:20:34.220 --> 05:20:38.540 on Eastern Teneris, over to River Guides which is on the Eastern side of the Eastern 05:20:38.540 --> 05:20:39.540 kingdoms. 05:20:39.540 --> 05:20:43.700 I do wonder for the Alliance if they've added that flight path in northern STV, or one in 05:20:43.700 --> 05:20:47.180 southern Foward, those are the kind of things we'll need to see on the beta. 05:20:47.180 --> 05:20:52.180 And finally regarding New Zones, Blizzard also gave a mention to Grim Battle in the future, 05:20:52.180 --> 05:20:56.940 which I have to imagine will be coming relatively soon post the launch on the roadmap. 05:20:56.940 --> 05:21:00.620 And that is about all the extra news that we have from WoW forever at this point in 05:21:00.620 --> 05:21:01.620 time. 05:21:01.620 --> 05:21:05.540 There of course will be plenty more information coming out as the weeks progress, and the 05:21:05.540 --> 05:21:09.860 The next content I'm going to be doing will be on the ratios as well as breaking down all 05:21:09.860 --> 05:21:12.140 the class changes individually. 05:21:12.140 --> 05:21:15.580 But with that said, as always, thank you so much for watching and listening and I will 05:21:15.580 --> 05:21:18.700 see you all in the next one very soon. 05:21:18.700 --> 05:21:20.700 Okay, sick. 05:21:20.700 --> 05:21:26.620 Um, yeah, I mean, we knew all of this, but it's just good, a good video to kind of 05:21:26.620 --> 05:21:28.620 recap all of it, right? 05:21:28.620 --> 05:21:31.060 Um, massive shout out to Willie here. 05:21:31.060 --> 05:21:32.060 Sick. 05:21:32.060 --> 05:21:37.060 Let's close like all my tabs, guess let's reopen this. 05:21:38.820 --> 05:21:39.740 When does beta start? 05:21:39.740 --> 05:21:42.180 We don't actually know, actually we do know. 05:21:42.180 --> 05:21:43.740 It's after the interview tomorrow, 05:21:43.740 --> 05:21:46.220 the interviews at 10.30 or the dev panel 05:21:46.220 --> 05:21:48.900 at the dev Q and A's at 10.30 PST. 05:21:48.900 --> 05:21:49.860 It'll probably be 30 minutes, 05:21:49.860 --> 05:21:51.300 it'll probably be around 11. 05:21:58.620 --> 05:22:00.580 From Wowhead, you gain talent points every level 05:22:00.580 --> 05:22:03.200 starting at level nine instead of 10, 05:22:03.200 --> 05:22:05.180 but you still may not have more than 51 talent points. 05:22:05.180 --> 05:22:06.860 Yeah, that's wrong. 05:22:06.860 --> 05:22:09.460 Do you know if you can respect legacy tree? 05:22:09.460 --> 05:22:10.660 I don't know if you can. 05:22:17.660 --> 05:22:18.740 What class are you gonna roll first? 05:22:18.740 --> 05:22:23.540 Like I wanna play a mage, but as I play more beta, 05:22:23.540 --> 05:22:25.380 maybe I'll change my mind. 05:22:25.380 --> 05:22:30.080 Like I really like warrior and Pali. 05:22:30.080 --> 05:22:30.920 We'll see. 05:22:34.320 --> 05:22:35.540 No, sorry, you gotta play Mage. 05:22:35.540 --> 05:22:36.720 We'll see, we'll see. 05:22:36.720 --> 05:22:40.480 Like if things get reworked, like, yeah, we'll see. 05:22:40.480 --> 05:22:43.480 It'll probably be Mage, it'll probably be Mage. 05:22:56.040 --> 05:22:57.800 Yeah, like I'll make ults either way. 05:22:57.800 --> 05:22:58.700 Yeah, exactly. 05:23:00.080 --> 05:23:19.320 How would you solve the one button problem on a mage? 05:23:19.320 --> 05:23:26.000 Is there a solution? 05:23:26.000 --> 05:23:28.280 It's a tough one. 05:23:28.280 --> 05:23:33.060 I think frost might need something like a brain freeze, 05:23:33.060 --> 05:23:36.600 so then you would have two buttons or three instead of, 05:23:36.600 --> 05:23:40.540 you know, and then arcane might need like an arcane barrage. 05:23:40.540 --> 05:23:42.940 So you got like three buttons instead of two. 05:23:44.180 --> 05:23:46.900 And then fire might just need some like 05:23:46.900 --> 05:23:48.540 slight modifications to where you're actually 05:23:48.540 --> 05:23:53.540 getting hot streak more often or more reliably, I suppose. 05:23:54.140 --> 05:23:57.100 And like that might be fine, I don't know, it's tough. 05:23:57.100 --> 05:24:04.100 It's very tough. 05:24:04.100 --> 05:24:14.100 I've seen the new throne AoE potions, yeah, they're pretty sick. 05:24:14.100 --> 05:24:17.100 What do you think about a shared bank between characters? 05:24:17.100 --> 05:24:22.100 Eh, probably unnecessary. 05:24:22.100 --> 05:24:25.100 Can you re-import your retail UI into forever? 05:24:25.100 --> 05:24:30.060 I would guess no since they're slightly different elements, but maybe. What rules set PDP? 05:24:32.860 --> 05:24:36.140 What add-on stance does Forever have? It's the same as retail from what I'm hearing. 05:24:50.380 --> 05:24:54.300 I think the discussion between Mage versus Warrior or Pally. Well, it's not just Warrior 05:24:54.300 --> 05:24:59.860 It's versus every other class in the game comes down to baseline abilities, not spec provided abilities 05:25:00.060 --> 05:25:06.420 Every warrior spec wants to press most warrior abilities. Well mage currently is only incentivized to cast spells to their matching spec tree 05:25:08.020 --> 05:25:14.260 Yeah, that's actually kind of true like if you're frost in a dungeon you're not incentivized 05:25:15.060 --> 05:25:16.900 to use like 05:25:16.900 --> 05:25:20.820 Arcane missiles unless you go to like a hybrid build which you can but like you know 05:25:20.820 --> 05:25:23.860 say you're just like deep frost like a deep prot warrior still going to use 05:25:25.700 --> 05:25:28.020 demo if your arms you'll probably still use demo 05:25:28.980 --> 05:25:33.620 shout right if you're if you're tank you'll use battle shout if you're fury you'll use battle 05:25:33.620 --> 05:25:43.700 shout so i see what you're saying um i mean the answer to mage might just be like every build 05:25:43.700 --> 05:25:48.260 is going to be a hybrid build like there will be no deep frost it'll be like you'll either play 05:25:48.260 --> 05:25:52.460 frostfire and play frostfire bolt or you'll play frost arcane and play like a frost missile 05:25:52.460 --> 05:25:59.800 style and there's no just frostmage like that might be the answer honestly three minutes 05:25:59.800 --> 05:26:06.860 until the beta opens in Europe no it's we're like it comes up tomorrow at 11 23 24 20 hours 05:26:06.860 --> 05:26:29.820 out ish is downranking spells a thing. Yes. What's the craziest thing you signed up blizzcon 05:26:29.820 --> 05:26:37.100 uh someone's arm which is is not that crazy i guess but like it was i didn't have anyone 05:26:37.820 --> 05:26:42.860 i didn't sign any like anyone's body besides one person wanted me to sign her arm 05:26:43.580 --> 05:26:49.820 all right sign the arm that worked 05:26:55.900 --> 05:26:57.820 boom boom 05:26:59.820 --> 05:27:19.100 I saw butts up there, yeah. 05:27:19.100 --> 05:27:21.660 My main issue with mage is it goes to whom instantly? 05:27:21.660 --> 05:27:27.060 I mean, yeah, that's just kind of how mage is though, like any man that you serve, like 05:27:27.060 --> 05:27:28.620 it is what it is. 05:27:28.620 --> 05:27:30.820 I don't know if I like care about that as much. 05:27:43.100 --> 05:27:44.180 Is hit rating in forever? 05:27:44.180 --> 05:27:45.140 Yes. 05:27:49.940 --> 05:27:51.580 Why did I ruin PVP for everyone? 05:27:51.580 --> 05:27:52.780 What do you mean by that? 05:27:55.580 --> 05:27:57.540 Rank on Barrage, it could be cool. 05:27:57.540 --> 05:28:01.140 What time is beta released tomorrow around the inner after the interview? 05:28:01.140 --> 05:28:03.040 So like 20 hours from now ish, maybe. 05:28:07.140 --> 05:28:08.040 Thoughts on warlock. 05:28:08.040 --> 05:28:11.840 I haven't played, but affliction looks so fun, like so stupidly fun. 05:28:12.640 --> 05:28:15.300 Um, I haven't theory crafted like that much on demo or desktop, but 05:28:15.300 --> 05:28:16.340 affliction looks awesome. 05:28:22.140 --> 05:28:23.340 Then did someone bring your cookbook? 05:28:23.340 --> 05:28:24.840 A couple of people actually, I was sick. 05:28:27.540 --> 05:28:37.540 How do you know what time the beta is starting they set it on reddits 05:28:39.540 --> 05:28:47.380 Guys is anyone else in the same boat as me or all of this information is across youtube twitter reddit 05:28:48.500 --> 05:28:56.020 Random streams random articles. It's like a piecing together a puzzle of like what's actually going on 05:28:57.540 --> 05:28:59.540 Crazy. 05:28:59.540 --> 05:29:01.540 Yo, what's good, doc? Thanks for tuning in, sub. 05:29:27.540 --> 05:29:32.640 Exactly I think that yeah, I think I'm actually Josh 05:29:33.580 --> 05:29:35.580 Yeah, I actually 100% agree with you 05:29:36.820 --> 05:29:38.820 I'm gonna write that down one sec 05:29:50.100 --> 05:29:56.440 Yeah, I 100% agree with that like a reason to press an existing button is completely fine 05:29:56.440 --> 05:29:59.280 You don't need to just keep reinventing buttons for no reason 05:29:59.920 --> 05:30:01.920 But like if you're a fire mage right now 05:30:02.040 --> 05:30:07.040 There would never be a reason to cast other stuff and if you're like if you're deep for us same thing 05:30:07.040 --> 05:30:11.360 So you like some type of talent to incentivize more buns. I like the idea. Yeah 05:30:20.680 --> 05:30:23.460 Maybe missile barrage could be like baseline, I don't know 05:30:26.440 --> 05:30:46.240 What's mana shield the same I think so? 05:30:46.240 --> 05:31:09.840 mob at level one mobs on a playtest. No, I wasn't mad. I just got so mad mob. I don't 05:31:09.840 --> 05:31:11.840 I don't know how much respect is going to be now. 05:31:16.240 --> 05:31:18.720 This looks and feels like retail TVH. 05:31:18.720 --> 05:31:21.680 I swear, like I actually kind of agree with you, 05:31:21.680 --> 05:31:24.400 but I swear 99% of it is just the UI 05:31:25.320 --> 05:31:30.320 because that game, I think looks beautiful. 05:31:31.000 --> 05:31:34.080 It's all classic, like kill, like KTA. 05:31:35.780 --> 05:31:39.240 It's all, it's slow paced, you know, 05:31:39.240 --> 05:31:41.900 Like it's literally just the UI. 05:31:41.900 --> 05:31:42.860 It's like, it's literally, 05:31:42.860 --> 05:31:44.580 so like I'll just download a UI out on it. 05:31:44.580 --> 05:31:45.520 It's literally just the UI, 05:31:45.520 --> 05:31:47.740 because at first glance it does. 05:31:47.740 --> 05:31:50.820 Like I'm not gonna lie to you, it does, you know? 05:32:09.240 --> 05:32:12.680 Nameplates too, yeah. 05:32:12.680 --> 05:32:15.480 No, Weecorros, yeah. 05:32:15.480 --> 05:32:25.120 I think that might be the case, which I didn't know. 05:32:25.120 --> 05:32:28.360 Do you think they're coming mounts in the shop? 05:32:28.360 --> 05:32:32.600 Hopefully not, but I could see them definitely sending cosmetics. 05:32:32.600 --> 05:32:33.600 I really could. 05:32:33.600 --> 05:32:35.600 I 05:32:36.440 --> 05:32:41.240 Gonna play a class for PvP or PvE focus my first main class. I'll do both 05:32:41.920 --> 05:32:45.520 Whatever I end up playing. I'm gonna play the whole game 05:32:46.240 --> 05:32:48.240 I'm gonna PvP PvE 05:32:49.080 --> 05:32:53.720 Like I'll do everything. I'll have a PvP set a PvE set whatever 05:32:54.360 --> 05:32:56.360 But I'm sure I'll make alts 05:32:56.360 --> 05:33:03.800 Classic UI for $20 in-game shop. I would buy that no cap 05:33:26.360 --> 05:33:29.360 Who's gameplay is this? 05:33:29.360 --> 05:33:33.360 It's this guy. 05:33:33.360 --> 05:33:36.360 Yeah. 05:33:36.360 --> 05:33:43.360 How did that go? 05:33:43.360 --> 05:33:46.360 Yeah. 05:33:56.360 --> 05:33:58.360 I 05:34:03.440 --> 05:34:05.440 Heard that guy's washed up in PvP 05:34:06.700 --> 05:34:09.880 No, I haven't really heard that it's weird. I have no idea 05:34:10.920 --> 05:34:17.880 Talk best ratios for classes. I don't know bro. I'm playing probably no more elf because they look cool. I 05:34:19.040 --> 05:34:23.720 Am not gonna play an orc and a tauren or a troll 05:34:23.720 --> 05:34:32.400 or a dwarf because I don't think they look cool. Pretty much it. I'm gonna play a human, 05:34:32.400 --> 05:34:41.360 a night elf, a sky born elf, or a gnome, or an undead. I'm gonna play one of those. 05:34:41.360 --> 05:34:45.160 Undead, gnome, night elf, sky born, or human. I'll play those five. If I'm playing a horde, 05:34:45.160 --> 05:34:46.720 I'm going to be undead. 05:34:46.720 --> 05:34:49.120 If I'm playing Alliance, it's one of those other four. 05:34:55.960 --> 05:34:57.640 40 yard name plates, yes. 05:34:57.640 --> 05:34:59.920 We haven't talked about that too much, 05:34:59.920 --> 05:35:01.880 but yeah, name plates are 40 yards now. 05:35:04.680 --> 05:35:06.960 You think gnomes look cool? 05:35:06.960 --> 05:35:08.340 Yeah, don't we all? 05:35:12.160 --> 05:35:14.160 Yeah, gnomes are dope. 05:35:15.160 --> 05:35:33.640 Where can I download the beta? 05:35:33.640 --> 05:35:38.640 Once it's out, you're going to open up your Bnet launcher like this and then click on 05:35:38.640 --> 05:35:45.440 of wow forever and it'll probably say install or it'll say wow forever beta up 05:35:45.440 --> 05:35:51.760 here I don't know which one it'll be probably say wow forever beta up here 05:35:56.640 --> 05:36:01.840 you can force and install right now Wow 05:36:08.640 --> 05:36:29.620 Do you get the feeling that they're willing to change playstyle significantly from how 05:36:29.620 --> 05:36:31.100 it'll be on the beta? 05:36:31.100 --> 05:36:39.180 For example, if many people feel like Mages need something extra, I think there's certain 05:36:39.180 --> 05:36:47.860 things that are kind of more like stuck and like, like, they're not going to change, right? 05:36:47.860 --> 05:36:48.860 There's there's some things that are not going to change. 05:36:48.860 --> 05:36:53.300 Like, it's not like, oh, enough people don't like Skyborne, we're going to completely remove 05:36:53.300 --> 05:36:58.460 all the Skyborne assets and the starting zone, and go back on that. 05:36:58.460 --> 05:36:59.940 Like that's not going to happen, right? 05:36:59.940 --> 05:37:00.940 Like there's just no way. 05:37:00.940 --> 05:37:03.860 There's no way they go back on like that. 05:37:03.860 --> 05:37:07.500 But the legacy talent tree, oh there's something OP in the legacy talent tree, people don't 05:37:07.500 --> 05:37:08.500 like it. 05:37:08.500 --> 05:37:12.660 I could definitely see them tweaking that, no problem. 05:37:12.660 --> 05:37:15.060 Talent trees for mages, yeah, totally. 05:37:15.060 --> 05:37:22.460 I could totally see that, oh there needs to be something added or removed or switched, 05:37:22.460 --> 05:37:27.460 absolutely, like 100%. 05:37:27.460 --> 05:37:43.600 Um, for the five, for the legacy talent point you touched on earlier, it does getting talents 05:37:43.600 --> 05:37:48.660 level five, you know, level 60 of five extra, no, no, no, no, you do not get five extra 05:37:48.660 --> 05:37:50.140 at level 60. 05:37:50.140 --> 05:37:51.780 You just get them sooner. 05:37:51.780 --> 05:37:54.900 So like I said, a level 60, it's not an issue at all. 05:37:54.900 --> 05:38:01.520 It's more of an issue early in the game, 15, 19, 19 twink battlegrounds, 19 twink duels 05:38:01.520 --> 05:38:05.720 or whatever or just running deadlines. 05:38:05.720 --> 05:38:10.600 Just how your class feels early on is going to be pretty different from that. 05:38:10.600 --> 05:38:15.360 So a level 60, same, same exact thing. 05:38:15.360 --> 05:38:18.680 I feel like they should make it two out of two instead of five out of five. 05:38:18.680 --> 05:38:20.480 Two out of two I think would be better. 05:38:20.480 --> 05:38:25.360 You start your talent points at level 8 instead of level 10. 05:38:25.360 --> 05:38:27.440 I think I would feel a lot better about that. 05:38:27.440 --> 05:38:30.920 To be honest, I would maybe feel even better if they removed it, but if for some reason 05:38:30.920 --> 05:38:40.000 they were stuck to it, 2 out of 2 is, I think I would feel better. 05:38:40.000 --> 05:38:43.760 Why is there no SD model for Skyborne? 05:38:43.760 --> 05:38:45.560 Because it's new, right? 05:38:45.560 --> 05:38:48.720 For something new, if they added new races and new stuff, 05:38:48.720 --> 05:38:51.760 there was no old model. 05:38:51.760 --> 05:38:54.120 So there's nothing to toggle it to. 05:38:54.120 --> 05:38:57.400 I think they didn't want to try to recreate 05:38:57.400 --> 05:38:59.200 an old model or something, I don't know. 05:39:15.560 --> 05:39:17.560 You could have just taken the old Blood Elf one. 05:39:19.260 --> 05:39:20.560 Oh, yeah. 05:39:20.560 --> 05:39:21.660 I see what you guys are saying. 05:39:21.660 --> 05:39:24.260 It wouldn't be that much work to put in an ST model. 05:39:24.660 --> 05:39:27.460 You just take the Blood Elf from TBC and recolor it. 05:39:29.000 --> 05:39:34.500 Maybe they didn't want to set a precedent of they might just say all new races 05:39:34.500 --> 05:39:35.840 are only going to have HD. 05:39:35.840 --> 05:39:38.600 The recent being is next maybe what if it's Ogre? 05:39:39.200 --> 05:39:40.840 What if it's Merlach? 05:39:40.840 --> 05:39:44.140 Right? What if they add like a playable like Peo or something? 05:39:44.140 --> 05:39:44.840 I don't know. 05:39:44.840 --> 05:39:51.560 Like, you never know, maybe they didn't want to commit to always remaking the SD one. 05:39:58.360 --> 05:40:02.200 But yeah, you guys are right, like they could totally add in an SD blood off from TBC. 05:40:02.200 --> 05:40:18.880 Can you please elaborate more on how forever can keep its PvP progression exciting? 05:40:18.880 --> 05:40:24.120 A lot of people would like something to compete on based on skill, rating, instead of time 05:40:24.120 --> 05:40:25.120 spent, honor. 05:40:25.120 --> 05:40:29.560 Do you think a middle ground is possible? 05:40:29.560 --> 05:40:34.920 tough. That's a tough one. Um, we talked about it yesterday, we said in an interview that they'll 05:40:34.920 --> 05:40:42.600 basically be like PVP seasons in the seasons. You're going to be able to unlock, you know, gear 05:40:42.600 --> 05:40:50.200 and and titles and stuff like that. Um, but that's not really your question. Your question is like, 05:40:50.840 --> 05:40:57.240 is there a middle ground between skill and time spent? It's a really good question. 05:40:57.240 --> 05:41:05.000 It's tough, right? Because Classic WoW is all about, if I spend enough time, I can get something, right? 05:41:05.000 --> 05:41:10.520 It's not about skill as much. It's more about time spent. That's kind of what it's all about. 05:41:13.160 --> 05:41:17.400 There's, of course, a skill component. For example, if you're a better player, 05:41:17.400 --> 05:41:20.200 you can farm more honor per hour than if you're a noob. 05:41:22.120 --> 05:41:26.680 So you could argue a better player could get ranked 14 faster than a noob, 05:41:26.680 --> 05:41:32.360 because you're farming honor more efficiently, but both players could still get it. 05:41:33.120 --> 05:41:35.880 I think that's kind of the point of classic in a sense. 05:41:38.680 --> 05:41:39.160 Hmm. 05:41:44.320 --> 05:41:45.480 Could be interesting. I don't know. 05:41:49.000 --> 05:41:49.760 Could be kind of sick. 05:41:49.760 --> 05:41:50.360 I have no idea. 05:41:52.240 --> 05:41:53.960 Change fire blasts for each spec. 05:41:53.960 --> 05:42:03.960 Frost, Fire Blast, gives one stack of fingers of frost, one for fireball, Fire Blast gives 05:42:03.960 --> 05:42:07.600 one hot streak, and Arcane, Fire Blast gives one Arcane blast. 05:42:07.600 --> 05:42:11.800 I love that. 05:42:11.800 --> 05:42:12.800 I love that. 05:42:12.800 --> 05:42:16.440 I'm going to write that down. 05:42:16.440 --> 05:42:17.440 That's brilliant. 05:42:17.440 --> 05:42:18.840 Yeah, that's actually very smart. 05:42:18.840 --> 05:42:23.560 Make Fire Blast a button you want to use for all three mage specs. 05:42:23.560 --> 05:42:28.860 And you're going to get either a fingers of frost, maybe an arcane missile or like a hot 05:42:28.860 --> 05:42:31.020 streak proc. 05:42:31.020 --> 05:42:32.260 That's smart. 05:42:32.260 --> 05:42:38.380 You're not giving it a new ability, but you're giving a recent, depressing, existing one. 05:42:38.380 --> 05:42:39.380 Very smart. 05:42:39.380 --> 05:42:42.740 That's probably, that is the best suggestion I've heard straight up. 05:42:42.740 --> 05:42:44.980 So Mike Mage is OP, ha ha ha. 05:42:44.980 --> 05:42:47.660 Yo, Moose, thanks for the tier one, bro. 05:42:47.660 --> 05:42:49.660 Um, but yeah, I don't know. 05:42:49.660 --> 05:42:53.360 A middle ground between skill, like a rating and time spent on her. 05:42:53.360 --> 05:42:55.360 What would a middle ground even look like there? 05:42:57.860 --> 05:43:00.160 I think the middle ground neon to answer your question 05:43:00.160 --> 05:43:03.160 would probably be something like a in-game dueling leaderboard 05:43:03.660 --> 05:43:06.460 where it's not necessarily that one's I don't need that. 05:43:06.660 --> 05:43:10.360 It's not necessarily like a rating that everyone climbs, but maybe instead 05:43:10.560 --> 05:43:12.060 it's like a leaderboard of like 05:43:13.560 --> 05:43:16.060 who has the most dual wins per week? 05:43:16.060 --> 05:43:23.460 Oh, I've won 437 duels this week on a dueling leaderboard in this area like that could be like some type of ladder 05:43:24.660 --> 05:43:31.340 Leaderboard, but it's not like too sweaty. It's just like this is how many dual wins I have like something like that might be the middle ground 05:43:31.340 --> 05:43:37.300 I don't know. I'm just spitballing here, but like I hear you. I hear you. It's like what do you what do you actually do there, right? I 05:43:38.580 --> 05:43:40.080 Like that 05:43:40.080 --> 05:43:47.200 It would be fun. It would be like some type of leaderboard without it actually being like a rating grind simulator, right? 05:43:50.400 --> 05:43:52.740 I don't know that something maybe something like that 05:43:57.540 --> 05:44:03.620 Hey, sir could revisit the mage talent hot street a sec you are misunderstanding it 05:44:03.760 --> 05:44:07.960 You think you need three no tricks to trigger it, but actually it triggers 05:44:07.960 --> 05:44:09.080 Yep, I understand it. 05:44:09.080 --> 05:44:09.580 Yep. 05:44:17.260 --> 05:44:18.260 Yep, got it. 05:44:18.960 --> 05:44:21.960 I know it works that way, but it still needs to redesign, I think. 05:44:21.960 --> 05:44:41.960 and 05:44:41.960 --> 05:45:04.320 that's an SDHD armor sets. I think they're all HD as far as I know. When are we talking 05:45:04.320 --> 05:45:10.800 about the fog? The fog looks good. It looks really good. But I would still like a slider. 05:45:10.800 --> 05:45:15.560 Like if I want less fog in my game, I think I should be able to put the fog on low or whatever. 05:45:15.560 --> 05:45:16.560 Right? 05:45:16.560 --> 05:45:19.280 But I mean, I can't complain about the graphics, bro. 05:45:19.280 --> 05:45:21.280 The graphics look insane. 05:45:21.280 --> 05:45:25.280 How about the music? 05:45:25.280 --> 05:45:29.400 The War 3 campaign has new takes on the wow music. 05:45:29.400 --> 05:45:31.280 Um, I don't know too much about it. 05:45:31.280 --> 05:45:35.640 Like from when I played it seemed fine, but at BlizzCon it was very loud. 05:45:35.640 --> 05:45:38.680 When I was at BlizzCon listening to the dev panels and trying to play the game, 05:45:38.680 --> 05:45:40.240 I couldn't hear anything. 05:45:40.240 --> 05:45:47.200 All I heard was a massive crowd rumbling, you know, so I'll have to re-listen. 05:45:47.200 --> 05:45:49.440 Debuff limit was removed, I think. 05:45:49.440 --> 05:45:58.440 Do we have to use a second name? 05:45:58.440 --> 05:46:07.080 Yes. 05:46:07.080 --> 05:46:08.480 Have you seen Akron's tweet? 05:46:08.480 --> 05:46:11.520 I don't know which one. 05:46:11.520 --> 05:46:12.760 I don't like the second name thing. 05:46:12.760 --> 05:46:15.160 It's because there's only going to be one server, 05:46:15.160 --> 05:46:16.720 because it's a rule set. 05:46:16.720 --> 05:46:19.120 It's like one giant mega server, essentially. 05:46:19.120 --> 05:46:21.760 So they wanted a second name, so you could actually 05:46:21.760 --> 05:46:22.880 get your name. 05:46:22.880 --> 05:46:25.720 It's like, if not, it would be brutal. 05:46:38.480 --> 05:47:06.540 Yeah, so we talked about this. 05:47:06.540 --> 05:47:11.140 So like you have the art direction of like the mountain here and Josh says, I'd encourage 05:47:11.140 --> 05:47:15.260 you to reserve judgment on any model you see data minor and screen shots until you can 05:47:15.260 --> 05:47:19.340 see it in the game and in the context with the rest of the world. 05:47:19.340 --> 05:47:30.180 And then someone links this which is like a completely misleading photograph, right? 05:47:30.180 --> 05:47:34.300 It's a different skin color from a different angle with a different hair color. 05:47:34.300 --> 05:47:37.200 So we just disproved this live on stream a second ago 05:47:37.200 --> 05:47:39.600 where we made that undead side by side 05:47:39.600 --> 05:47:41.640 and it's almost identical. 05:47:43.260 --> 05:47:46.100 And then once again with these like unit frames, 05:47:46.100 --> 05:47:47.780 it's just like a different photograph all together. 05:47:47.780 --> 05:47:49.480 It's just like completely silly. 05:47:50.780 --> 05:47:52.700 But this has a lot of likes. 05:47:52.700 --> 05:47:54.100 I guess not that many, but like, 05:47:54.100 --> 05:47:56.220 I think people are being like really misleaded 05:47:56.220 --> 05:47:59.880 by this Reddit post, yeah, unfortunately. 05:48:34.300 --> 05:48:55.540 What's the fifth bag slots? 05:48:55.540 --> 05:48:56.540 I don't know. 05:48:56.540 --> 05:48:59.540 It might just be a UI thing that needs to be touched up. 05:48:59.540 --> 05:49:02.660 Yeah, that's a good question. 05:49:02.660 --> 05:49:12.660 Oh, a re-Asian bag. Oh yeah, a re-Asian bag and then the key ring. Interesting. I forgot about that. 05:49:12.660 --> 05:49:14.660 Oh. 05:49:14.660 --> 05:49:21.660 What about guild-based RBGs? You have to be a part of the guild, physically K-Op of the BG entrance. 05:49:21.660 --> 05:49:31.660 Could open up some content for people to watch top guilds go at it. 05:49:31.660 --> 05:49:39.660 I have a lot less of a problem with RBGs, I still don't know if I'm like for it, but battlegrounds already do exist. 05:49:39.660 --> 05:49:46.660 I think RBGs have a much like, it's not like this, this different subset of people that are gonna sit there and spam. 05:49:46.660 --> 05:49:52.160 I don't know, I don't think I like any rating, but if they were gonna do some rating, my tier list is this. 05:49:52.160 --> 05:49:59.660 And I've been saying this for like years, so I'm sorry guys, if you've been listening to me yap about this for years on end. 05:49:59.660 --> 05:50:11.160 If I could have one version of PvP in, um, forever, I think the best form of it is like a 1v1 dual arena style thing, and they've already hinted at this. 05:50:11.160 --> 05:50:15.160 Like, this seems to be like the highest on the list of like, what could actually be cool in work. 05:50:15.160 --> 05:50:19.760 Because historically, like, what's the biggest thing in classic PvP? 05:50:20.760 --> 05:50:26.160 Dual tournaments, right? Like, the biggest thing, like, people love dueling. People love dual tournaments. 05:50:26.160 --> 05:50:33.160 like the OTK dual tourney like all these dual tourney like people love to watch it the second thing that would make a lot of sense and 05:50:33.440 --> 05:50:36.820 This is for I guess I guess I could gosh a lot of words 05:50:36.820 --> 05:50:42.200 But the reason one day ones work is because they're somewhat balanced and not perfect, but you know 05:50:42.720 --> 05:50:47.760 They have like the DRs make sense and this context right like the 05:50:49.520 --> 05:50:51.520 CC durations 05:50:51.520 --> 05:50:53.560 Uh, makes sense in this context. 05:50:53.560 --> 05:50:54.740 Like it works, right? 05:50:55.180 --> 05:50:56.620 So that's why it works. 05:50:56.680 --> 05:50:56.920 Okay. 05:50:56.920 --> 05:51:01.420 So second down that down the, down the list, like if I could add something 05:51:01.420 --> 05:51:04.720 separately, my second favorite option is RBG's. 05:51:05.020 --> 05:51:05.440 Why? 05:51:05.680 --> 05:51:08.800 Well, you know, I still don't know if I love them because they have this 05:51:08.800 --> 05:51:12.280 like rating system attached and it's, you know, maybe too sweaty and this 05:51:12.280 --> 05:51:16.960 and that for a classic experience, but at least these three things are still 05:51:16.960 --> 05:51:20.900 true in RBG's there's somewhat balance. 05:51:20.900 --> 05:51:24.820 And when I say somewhat balanced, I'm talking about like bg's and classic, right? 05:51:25.820 --> 05:51:26.820 There's somewhat balanced, right? 05:51:26.820 --> 05:51:29.820 Like you actually kind of want like one of each class because of the buffs, 05:51:30.020 --> 05:51:32.980 the DRs make a lot of sense and the CC durations make a lot of sense. 05:51:32.980 --> 05:51:35.420 Like RBGs actually do kind of work by default. 05:51:35.700 --> 05:51:38.460 Well, if you want arena dual style thing also kind of works by default, 05:51:38.900 --> 05:51:44.420 but the problem with arenas is they're not balanced. 05:51:44.420 --> 05:51:50.100 Like the DRs make no sense and the CC durations also make no sense. 05:51:50.100 --> 05:51:56.620 So in order for arenas to fit in the context of classic forever, you actually have to restructure the game 05:51:56.820 --> 05:52:00.780 You have to change DRs to make them work. That's a change 05:52:01.100 --> 05:52:05.900 You need to change the the CC durations and then you have to balance around arena now 05:52:05.900 --> 05:52:09.140 Well, you might just say we'll do that then obviously like just do it 05:52:09.140 --> 05:52:14.420 The problem with making these changes is that it fundamentally flips bg's 05:52:15.340 --> 05:52:18.540 CC durations are now not what they used to be 05:52:18.540 --> 05:52:23.140 DRs are not what they used to be and the balances are what they used to be. 05:52:23.140 --> 05:52:27.820 So now by making arenas fit, you skew RBGs and make them not fit. 05:52:27.820 --> 05:52:31.980 Additionally, by making arenas fit, you skew 1v1s into something that they've never been 05:52:31.980 --> 05:52:35.340 before because these things don't fit either. 05:52:35.340 --> 05:52:39.540 So to fit in arenas, you actually screw over what already exists and already exists 05:52:39.540 --> 05:52:40.940 quite successfully at that. 05:52:40.940 --> 05:52:44.220 Once again, old argument, old discussion, we've talked about this time and time 05:52:44.220 --> 05:52:47.220 and time again, but for people that are new, there you go. 05:52:47.220 --> 05:52:48.220 how you understand. 05:53:11.540 --> 05:53:14.080 Okay, check Wowhead, is there new stuff? 05:53:17.220 --> 05:53:23.220 New modified world maps. 05:53:23.220 --> 05:53:25.220 Ooh, it's spoiler stuff. 05:53:25.220 --> 05:53:28.220 Let me see if we've seen this stuff. 05:53:28.220 --> 05:53:33.220 Uh, yeah, we've seen all this. 05:53:33.220 --> 05:53:35.220 Yeah, this is nothing that we haven't seen at BlizzCon. 05:53:35.220 --> 05:53:43.220 Okay, we can show this. 05:53:43.220 --> 05:53:46.220 Well, Tunchin's got maps? I don't know. 05:53:46.220 --> 05:53:51.200 So, this is what is it called Riverlands. 05:53:51.200 --> 05:53:54.120 This is the Darkspear Islands, we've seen that. 05:53:54.120 --> 05:53:56.720 This is that area in between Desilis and Mulgore, 05:53:56.720 --> 05:53:59.060 pretty sweet, Shenzhalas. 05:54:01.600 --> 05:54:03.680 Ooh, have we seen this? 05:54:03.680 --> 05:54:05.440 Tears hand new Avalon. 05:54:05.440 --> 05:54:06.920 I don't know if we've seen that. 05:54:06.920 --> 05:54:08.500 Maybe we did, Abeliskon. 05:54:10.320 --> 05:54:11.960 This is the new starting area. 05:54:12.960 --> 05:54:15.460 Dalaran, not covered, we've seen that. 05:54:16.220 --> 05:54:35.740 Most of this seems the same. 05:54:35.740 --> 05:54:38.660 There's 108 screenshots. 05:54:38.660 --> 05:54:40.660 Most of this seems the same. 05:54:40.660 --> 05:54:45.460 first few though, I think we've seen most of those. I've just gone to all of them. 05:54:45.460 --> 05:54:57.700 Hundred minute pictures, yeah. This is Mt. Heishel, Caverns of Time, all the same 05:54:57.700 --> 05:55:00.340 stuff so far. 05:55:00.340 --> 05:55:25.900 I doubt there would be anything that we haven't seen already. 05:55:25.900 --> 05:55:28.660 We're almost through the list. 05:55:28.660 --> 05:55:31.660 Yeah, okay, we're through the list. Okay, so 05:55:31.660 --> 05:55:36.660 Riverglades, Darkspear Islands, which is the new beach shee. 05:55:36.660 --> 05:55:41.660 Shandralos, which is in between Deslas and Moldor. 05:55:41.660 --> 05:55:46.660 New Avalon and Tear's Hand, like a Scarlet Enclave-style thing, I don't know, 05:55:46.660 --> 05:55:51.660 is there. We've seen that in Solid and that's it. 05:55:51.660 --> 05:55:55.660 Pedro, thanks for the T1. 05:55:55.660 --> 05:56:01.380 Dim 500 bit says undead gets a unique Pally mount. Yes. Is there any info of dwarfs get some love? I 05:56:04.740 --> 05:56:06.740 Don't know 05:56:07.660 --> 05:56:14.860 Spicy as meatballs says are we gonna get SD sky war models? I don't think so. I think that's a fair concern 05:56:15.980 --> 05:56:18.540 Chat was saying that could you just use the blood elves from? 05:56:19.940 --> 05:56:23.680 From TVC and like that that would maybe work, but it sounds like we're not 05:56:23.680 --> 05:56:28.680 Moose, thanks for the five, he says there is something to be said about some of the SD models needing to be added 05:56:28.680 --> 05:56:34.680 or reworked, but so many people are being disingenuous about it. I'm worried Blizzard may not take some complaints seriously. 05:56:34.680 --> 05:56:44.680 What do you think of the SD model concerns? So Moose, I went on to, okay, maybe I just do this again just real quick. 05:56:44.680 --> 05:56:52.680 We already spent time on this, so it's kind of annoying. The SD model concerns, I think, are being blown out of proportion. 05:56:52.680 --> 05:57:02.340 portion. I went to my own VOD, made the same character, and it's almost one to one identical. 05:57:02.340 --> 05:57:07.220 The concerns are from people that are looking at different models from different angles with 05:57:07.220 --> 05:57:11.900 different lighting with different hairstyles and different hair colors. We already spent 05:57:11.900 --> 05:57:19.900 some time on it, so I'm not going to spend that much time on it. But here, I'm going 05:57:19.900 --> 05:57:21.900 I'll go back to my FOD now. 05:57:37.340 --> 05:57:39.840 Crap, when was it that I made the undead? Was it here? 05:57:42.000 --> 05:57:42.500 No. 05:57:44.220 --> 05:57:46.220 Crap, I don't know where I made my undead guy at. 05:57:47.760 --> 05:57:48.760 Oh, it must have been here. 05:57:49.900 --> 05:58:12.500 Yeah. Here it is. Okay, so this is my undead guy, right in the game for like this is forever. 05:58:12.500 --> 05:58:15.260 Let me now fix this guy to make him look the same. 05:58:22.940 --> 05:58:24.460 Okay, I don't know if that's exactly the same, 05:58:24.460 --> 05:58:25.500 but let me just do a screenshot 05:58:25.500 --> 05:58:26.960 side by side real quick. 05:58:38.860 --> 05:58:39.700 Right. 05:58:42.500 --> 05:58:53.940 Okay. Some slight differences, right? Of course. Actually, I chose the wrong eyes. I chose the 05:58:53.940 --> 05:58:59.900 wrong eyes. That's not me. The shoulders, because he's got a different part of the pose 05:58:59.900 --> 05:59:03.420 we already talked about. So the shoulder is, I guess I could do a new screenshot with 05:59:03.420 --> 05:59:05.860 with the down, like the shoulder down versus up. 05:59:11.140 --> 05:59:12.780 Maybe I will actually, 05:59:12.780 --> 05:59:15.580 because it kind of like see the shoulders down 05:59:15.580 --> 05:59:18.020 and then shoulders up, shoulders down. 05:59:18.020 --> 05:59:20.420 Like see like this way, the shoulders like that. 05:59:21.420 --> 05:59:24.300 He's like at a different part of his like pose. 05:59:28.540 --> 05:59:31.340 Just kind of waiting for him to move here, like right there. 05:59:33.420 --> 05:59:43.860 Okay, the only reason I'm spending time on this again, which I won't spend as much as 05:59:43.860 --> 05:59:47.740 last time is because this is actually a big deal to me too, right? 05:59:47.740 --> 05:59:55.460 Like, but when you actually do a fair comparison, it is just so similar. 05:59:55.460 --> 05:59:58.980 All this stuff you're reading online is like just blowing out of proportion, right? 05:59:58.980 --> 06:00:04.320 right once again I chose the wrong eyes but like if you follow like the bone the bone 06:00:05.920 --> 06:00:08.000 Right the pants the legs 06:00:08.640 --> 06:00:11.400 It is it is just so similar 06:00:11.400 --> 06:00:16.040 It's just a little silly and I like I said I care a lot about this stuff and 06:00:16.840 --> 06:00:18.840 it seems fun and 06:00:19.480 --> 06:00:22.640 So people that are saying it's more out of the cast. That's a different conversation 06:00:23.440 --> 06:00:26.560 I didn't notice it, but I'd have to look at it closer when we're in game 06:00:28.980 --> 06:00:34.700 they're just seeing the improved background yeah maybe it's completely fine 06:00:34.700 --> 06:00:39.820 it's silly yeah yeah anyway I hear you brother and I see if people online too 06:00:39.820 --> 06:00:43.060 but I think it is a little silly I think it's like it's like 99% the same 06:00:43.060 --> 06:00:45.060 bro 06:00:58.100 --> 06:01:00.100 Hey, oh says no, it's not 06:01:00.680 --> 06:01:05.860 Hey, oh, I mean bro look at this dude. I mean I don't have to say man 06:01:13.060 --> 06:01:34.140 I don't know. 06:01:34.140 --> 06:01:35.340 People want to be defiant so bad. 06:01:35.340 --> 06:01:36.340 I mean, I guess so. 06:01:36.340 --> 06:01:37.340 Like, I don't know. 06:01:37.340 --> 06:01:39.420 Like, I don't want to make fun of people too much. 06:01:39.420 --> 06:01:42.800 I think we all have our things that are high in our priority list. 06:01:42.800 --> 06:01:47.360 We all have our things that mean a lot to us, and we all have things that might not mean 06:01:47.360 --> 06:01:49.200 nearly as much. 06:01:49.200 --> 06:01:56.120 And for me, like, this is, it does matter to me, but this is close enough. 06:01:56.120 --> 06:02:01.280 I will say that the UI is the thing that bothers me the most. 06:02:01.280 --> 06:02:04.360 The UI is by far the thing that bothers me the most. 06:02:04.360 --> 06:02:07.960 Payo, how do you feel about the UI? 06:02:07.960 --> 06:02:10.120 Are you like, oh, this is fine, I'll just download an add-on? 06:02:10.120 --> 06:02:13.920 Are you like do you like it to you like? 06:02:17.880 --> 06:02:22.640 At least we can download an add-on, huh? It's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah 06:02:26.960 --> 06:02:29.040 Call pale I'll call them up real quick 06:02:34.920 --> 06:02:36.920 Oh, hey, oh 06:02:36.920 --> 06:02:45.000 What's up hey are you busy are you doing anything no bro I'm in front of my TV and I'm watching 06:02:45.000 --> 06:02:51.440 your stream I'm eating pizza with fries and since I'm on a diet I drink a sparkling water 06:02:51.440 --> 06:02:56.120 I cut the coca-cola case you are busy you're watching my stream that's pretty important and 06:02:56.120 --> 06:03:02.040 you're eating pizza and fries and I like watching your stream but damn it it's fun 06:03:02.040 --> 06:03:05.920 but there's a thing I don't get it bro you have 18,000 viewers and I didn't see 06:03:05.920 --> 06:03:10.960 barely some twitch prime or do you want to do it so where are the twitch 06:03:10.960 --> 06:03:15.440 prime all rough cold 88 with a twitch prime is there any do you want this man 06:03:15.440 --> 06:03:19.760 is Mary has a wife he has a kids he needs to eat but damn it is there any 06:03:19.760 --> 06:03:23.760 gratitude in the layer this is the same I see two subscribers 06:03:23.760 --> 06:03:42.760 I feel like I cannot not sell out. I feel like I need my my dose of sellout. Oh shit, sorry. It's just sparkling water. No, yeah, you're all good, man. 06:03:42.760 --> 06:03:49.440 And, uh, guys, now we know if pay is sitting at 15 K viewers, 06:03:49.440 --> 06:03:51.900 the first thing he's going to do is spam sell out primes. 06:03:52.520 --> 06:03:52.800 Okay. 06:03:52.800 --> 06:03:54.160 Now we know, now we know. 06:03:54.200 --> 06:03:54.640 All right. 06:03:55.020 --> 06:03:59.080 Now that that's behind us, how, how do you feel overall about classic forever 06:03:59.080 --> 06:03:59.440 pale? 06:04:00.680 --> 06:04:03.160 Um, I won't lie. 06:04:03.940 --> 06:04:07.600 I thought it would have been, how can I say that? 06:04:07.600 --> 06:04:09.400 I think I am surprised. 06:04:09.440 --> 06:04:11.480 Oh, it's not that bad. 06:04:11.480 --> 06:04:16.880 Yeah, I can see. They got a lot 06:04:16.880 --> 06:04:18.280 of big stuff right. Is what 06:04:18.280 --> 06:04:19.280 you're saying? Like it could 06:04:19.280 --> 06:04:20.680 have been worse. The only 06:04:20.680 --> 06:04:22.480 thing that kind of really piss 06:04:22.480 --> 06:04:24.880 me off is like she was the UI 06:04:24.880 --> 06:04:27.380 but but but I feel like they 06:04:27.380 --> 06:04:29.880 had really one job Blizzard 06:04:29.880 --> 06:04:32.380 and it's to not add the UI 06:04:32.380 --> 06:04:35.580 the retail UI in classic. I 06:04:35.580 --> 06:04:36.580 think it's sad a little bit. 06:04:36.580 --> 06:04:38.580 Doesn't make any sense and 06:04:38.580 --> 06:04:40.440 Let me talk god damn it. Oh, sorry 06:04:40.440 --> 06:04:43.500 Sorry people that says like sorry to interrupt you 06:04:44.140 --> 06:04:49.420 Yeah, go ahead. I was just interrupting you to say that I apologize for interrupting you sir 06:04:51.420 --> 06:04:54.540 Well, I let you I give you two minutes. You can say thanks for your subscriber 06:04:54.540 --> 06:04:58.260 You got to look up some actually go ahead. Yo, thanks for the subs guys. You guys are legendary 06:05:00.340 --> 06:05:02.860 That's it you don't see thanks for a subscriber anymore. Oh 06:05:03.420 --> 06:05:06.320 Because over 10,000 viewers now you know, cool 06:05:06.320 --> 06:05:13.440 My god me me if I will have 50,000 yours. I will say thanks are on every single twitch prime 06:05:13.440 --> 06:05:19.480 They want to give to trust me. Oh my goodness. So what was I saying? I forgot I just tried not to like 06:05:19.960 --> 06:05:26.100 What's the word when you're when you're like trying to like beg for beg for subs? Have you experienced that at all? 06:05:27.480 --> 06:05:32.800 Wait someone says can we move we move on into the game Xeru doesn't play the game 06:05:32.800 --> 06:05:38.200 It's been since 2021 my friend. He's a reactor and you're actually getting sweet bitch sounds good. Oh my god 06:05:38.200 --> 06:05:43.800 He doesn't know someone tell him past. I just did powders go ahead for me. I'm playing right now. Actually. It's in the background 06:05:46.200 --> 06:05:48.200 I'm just playing without any hands 06:05:48.400 --> 06:05:51.880 I wish I was there to the discount dude. I really I would like to meet you 06:05:51.880 --> 06:05:54.720 I really really like yeah, I would like to meet you too, bro 06:05:54.720 --> 06:05:57.160 That's why I was spamming you saying to come to blizzcon. It was lit 06:05:57.160 --> 06:05:58.040 It was so fun 06:05:58.040 --> 06:06:00.720 We all have the best time of our lives and you're sitting at home 06:06:00.720 --> 06:06:07.180 I'm like pale like get out here. It would have been awesome. They were no party though. There was plenty of parties 06:06:07.280 --> 06:06:11.720 There's a blizzard party as fun. I went to all of them as fans party 06:06:12.120 --> 06:06:15.140 Actually, I didn't go to the party. It was too late. Yeah 06:06:15.480 --> 06:06:21.400 We were we're in the lobby the hotels, bro. Like for a viewer there. I would have hung out with you 06:06:22.120 --> 06:06:23.480 Probably you 06:06:23.480 --> 06:06:24.600 Yeah 06:06:24.600 --> 06:06:30.360 Yeah, they're totally bro. Really? Yeah. God damn it bro. All right next time for sure next time 06:06:30.360 --> 06:06:36.240 Yeah, but you can go next year, listen, listen, you can go next year and that's fine. 06:06:36.240 --> 06:06:40.940 But this year was like the best Blizzcon of all time because it was classic plus Blizzcon. 06:06:40.940 --> 06:06:43.440 Like this one was the one for the history books. 06:06:43.440 --> 06:06:46.960 Like next year is like, you know, it'll be cool too, but you can't really replicate 06:06:46.960 --> 06:06:47.960 this one. 06:06:47.960 --> 06:06:48.960 So you're right. 06:06:48.960 --> 06:06:51.800 You know, I did like the most from the Blizzcon. 06:06:51.800 --> 06:06:55.900 It was, you know, there were a whole guy that was doing the contest, the contest 06:06:55.900 --> 06:06:58.480 for the, the transmog in real life. 06:06:58.480 --> 06:06:59.480 What was his name? 06:06:59.480 --> 06:07:02.640 It was really great for casting. What was his name? 06:07:03.960 --> 06:07:09.340 You know, yeah, it's an old guy and he was like casting the the the what is the name of it? 06:07:09.340 --> 06:07:11.340 You know, he was hosting the thing 06:07:13.520 --> 06:07:17.020 The oh, yeah, you also so they were a host that was doing the trans mug 06:07:17.020 --> 06:07:22.180 He was so nice for real. He was really right. The what the white suit old guy 06:07:22.180 --> 06:07:25.300 No, he was really you don't know what I'm talking about the czar 06:07:25.300 --> 06:07:31.100 But I saw that one, but yeah, dude, that was it was really a nice guy 06:07:31.100 --> 06:07:35.220 I really I didn't like his vibe. He was really great for like hosting the thing 06:07:35.220 --> 06:07:40.140 He was making Joe. He was not really awkward. He was making like animal big shout out to this guy 06:07:40.140 --> 06:07:43.100 I don't know who he was but big shout out. Hopefully I'm gonna see him again 06:07:43.420 --> 06:07:47.940 But uh to come back to your question. You asked me like oh the UI is just like I 06:07:48.940 --> 06:07:54.980 Just feel that Blizzard had one job and the job was tonight. Sorry. I'm gonna interrupt you 06:07:55.300 --> 06:07:57.300 Oh my god, bro! 06:08:00.300 --> 06:08:02.300 It'll just be a second. 06:08:03.300 --> 06:08:08.300 On my screen right now, I didn't realize this when I was playing, but when you mouse over your weapon skill, 06:08:08.300 --> 06:08:13.300 it'll tell you what your hit dodge and parry, like what the target level actually does. 06:08:13.300 --> 06:08:15.300 It's actually kind of a nice breakdown on the screen. 06:08:15.300 --> 06:08:22.300 It'll show you glancing blows, penalties, crit, hit dodge parry. It's actually kind of nice, you know? 06:08:22.300 --> 06:08:30.460 you know anyway continue what you're meaning by the way well let me guess let me guess 06:08:30.460 --> 06:08:35.020 a gnomed female mage gnomed female mage yeah i think that will be what i mean 06:08:35.020 --> 06:08:39.420 yeah but dude mage mage design is actually kind of troll so i might play a warrior or 06:08:39.420 --> 06:08:46.620 pali instead no cap wait what what you said i said mage design is kind of sorry god damn it 06:08:46.620 --> 06:08:58.500 my bad god damn it I'm eating my goodness sorry about that in your 06:08:58.500 --> 06:09:02.620 chat sorry guys bro I'm eating a pizza and sometimes when I'm excited and I 06:09:02.620 --> 06:09:13.100 talk while eating I choke what kind of pizza what kind of pizza bro I wanted 06:09:13.100 --> 06:09:17.960 to get a pizza like our dress with like a big extra bacon and stuff like this 06:09:17.960 --> 06:09:22.560 but I don't have enough like I didn't get enough which prime this week so I 06:09:22.560 --> 06:09:29.320 have to take the only cheese cheese okay I didn't get enough which prime if 06:09:29.320 --> 06:09:33.760 you want the chat sometime forget that I'm a content creator and I'm I'm 06:09:33.760 --> 06:09:37.600 filming for a living if I could just get a little something in the lab but 06:09:37.600 --> 06:09:40.080 Anyway, I'm not here to beg for something on your Twitch, 06:09:40.080 --> 06:09:42.080 on your Twitch, but. 06:09:42.080 --> 06:09:43.560 Dude, sorry. 06:09:43.560 --> 06:09:45.520 All right, look. 06:09:45.520 --> 06:09:46.200 Fail. 06:09:46.200 --> 06:09:47.000 Anyway, anyway. 06:09:47.000 --> 06:09:48.680 So the UI is your biggest issue. 06:09:48.680 --> 06:09:50.160 Is that what I'm hearing? 06:09:50.160 --> 06:09:54.320 No, what I'm saying is, I think overall, I think it's 06:09:54.320 --> 06:09:54.640 fine. 06:09:54.640 --> 06:09:55.800 I'm excited to play. 06:09:55.800 --> 06:10:01.440 I think the new spec are great. 06:10:01.440 --> 06:10:03.800 Hey, by the way, my god, I'm really sorry. 06:10:03.800 --> 06:10:05.200 I'm going to hang up on you. 06:10:05.200 --> 06:10:06.560 I'm going to hang up on you. 06:10:06.560 --> 06:10:08.560 I think I have to go um 06:10:08.800 --> 06:10:10.200 Why? 06:10:10.200 --> 06:10:15.160 Cuz I'm your bro. I'm fucking dying and you want to hang up on me a good friend will say like you are you? 06:10:17.400 --> 06:10:20.200 You're like my good really hold your head 06:10:20.640 --> 06:10:23.120 All right, I'll talk to you another time 06:10:23.120 --> 06:10:26.560 But if I die, I just want to know what you think about the game 06:10:26.560 --> 06:10:32.200 Please just tell me and yes, I like it. No, I don't this I like he hung up 06:10:36.560 --> 06:10:49.960 Well, that was a really good productive conversation there, guys. 06:10:49.960 --> 06:11:02.040 I was kind of curious if you liked the game, but my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. 06:11:02.040 --> 06:11:12.020 Um, okay, what did we get from that he he doesn't like the UI that's for sure 06:11:12.020 --> 06:11:19.860 call pay always crying okay let me pay oh PPC 06:11:25.620 --> 06:11:36.020 hey pay off are you feeling alright man yeah I feel better now sorry okay no 06:11:36.020 --> 06:11:39.940 it's all right I won't lie I was that you're so nice that you're calling me 06:11:39.940 --> 06:11:45.940 back I really do appreciate that bro I'm sorry I was actually choking my bad I didn't mean 06:11:45.940 --> 06:11:51.100 I wasn't trying to choke on you or choking by content got done for sure you were choking 06:11:51.100 --> 06:11:55.800 on something no no no I'm sorry do not and I'm fine I had like I had the I had a piece 06:11:55.800 --> 06:12:03.400 of pepe honey in my truck you said it was cheese pizza yeah I lie it's pepperoni I 06:12:03.400 --> 06:12:05.640 I watched it once with my friends. 06:12:05.640 --> 06:12:07.360 Oh my god, you listen to me when I talk, 06:12:07.360 --> 06:12:08.720 but then you're great. 06:12:08.720 --> 06:12:09.560 Oh, the hell. 06:12:09.560 --> 06:12:12.600 Wait, this man is listening. 06:12:12.600 --> 06:12:14.120 This is absolute troll. 06:12:14.120 --> 06:12:16.800 All right, pay up, pay up, pay up, pay up. 06:12:16.800 --> 06:12:18.520 Do you like wow forever? 06:12:18.520 --> 06:12:21.520 What do you like or not like? 06:12:21.520 --> 06:12:24.600 I think I'm really excited to shit on you on my robe. 06:12:24.600 --> 06:12:25.400 That's for sure. 06:12:25.400 --> 06:12:27.240 The second thing, I like the spec. 06:12:27.240 --> 06:12:29.160 I like the fact that for me Frostmage 06:12:29.160 --> 06:12:31.000 always been extremely boring for me. 06:12:31.000 --> 06:12:34.080 But now they put Iceland, Finger of Frost. 06:12:34.080 --> 06:12:36.720 I like the fact that Michel Barrage, you know? 06:12:36.720 --> 06:12:39.960 You can look at, you will be able to find Michel Barrage 06:12:39.960 --> 06:12:41.520 in Iceland and get some Finger of Frost. 06:12:41.520 --> 06:12:43.920 So I think the maître de France 06:12:43.920 --> 06:12:45.240 will be really, really fun to play. 06:12:45.240 --> 06:12:46.440 I cannot wait for it. 06:12:46.440 --> 06:12:48.600 And I cannot wait to, I cannot wait to 06:12:48.600 --> 06:12:50.320 finnally do something else 06:12:50.320 --> 06:12:52.440 than doing Don Jun on your Paladin. 06:12:52.440 --> 06:12:54.880 Finnally, the Xerru come back on the PVP. 06:12:54.880 --> 06:12:57.560 Gonna show that this guy is not only a PD 06:12:57.560 --> 06:12:59.920 and a reactor and he, this man is a legend. 06:12:59.920 --> 06:13:01.920 he did some big, big PVP. 06:13:01.920 --> 06:13:05.920 I cannot wait, are we going to be able to do all? 06:13:05.920 --> 06:13:10.920 I think I'm going to roll a prop warrior on a PvE realm. 06:13:10.920 --> 06:13:12.920 Are you for real? 06:13:12.920 --> 06:13:15.920 Yeah, I think like warrior... 06:13:15.920 --> 06:13:17.920 Wait, are you for real? 06:13:17.920 --> 06:13:19.920 Yeah, warrior... 06:13:19.920 --> 06:13:22.920 What are you rolling, bro? I want to know for real. 06:13:22.920 --> 06:13:26.920 But protection warrior is going to be insane, you know they changed the revenge. 06:13:26.920 --> 06:13:31.560 Revenge is going to be crazy, it's going to be really good damage, and you can charge 06:13:31.560 --> 06:13:32.560 in defensive. 06:13:32.560 --> 06:13:33.560 That's cool too. 06:13:33.560 --> 06:13:34.560 Yeah. 06:13:34.560 --> 06:13:35.560 Prop warrior looks sick. 06:13:35.560 --> 06:13:36.560 That's what I'm saying. 06:13:36.560 --> 06:13:37.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:13:37.560 --> 06:13:42.240 Prop warrior on a PvE realm looks like kind of more of my vibe, but yeah, what are you 06:13:42.240 --> 06:13:43.240 going to mage? 06:13:43.240 --> 06:13:44.240 Like, why are you lying? 06:13:44.240 --> 06:13:45.240 You're lying. 06:13:45.240 --> 06:13:48.640 You're going to feel a mage, huh? 06:13:48.640 --> 06:13:52.080 So I think I'm going to play a mage because I've always played a mage, but like I'm 06:13:52.080 --> 06:13:53.080 not going to lie. 06:13:53.080 --> 06:13:56.160 I'm a little disappointed with like the mage skills. 06:13:56.160 --> 06:14:02.420 really yeah yeah frost has a two button rotation arcane is a two button rotation 06:14:02.420 --> 06:14:08.480 unless you go like a hybrid build pve so in pvp you know you're gonna polymorph 06:14:08.480 --> 06:14:12.720 and blink and nova and all that pvp I'm not too worried about like it'll be fine 06:14:12.720 --> 06:14:17.640 but I'm talking like in a raid you're gonna be like Frostbolt Frostbolt 06:14:17.640 --> 06:14:23.920 no that's not Frostbolt Iceland's Frostbolt Frostbolt like whereas a 06:14:23.920 --> 06:14:30.160 a warrior is going to be like, you know, whirlwind, blood thirst, executes, battle 06:14:30.160 --> 06:14:35.400 shouts, blood rage, like paladins, bro. Same thing. 06:14:35.400 --> 06:14:40.520 Yeah. So many buttons, rogues even, like multiple buttons, but mages, it's just gonna be like. 06:14:42.480 --> 06:14:44.120 Like, kind of boring. 06:14:44.120 --> 06:14:48.360 They're trying to find a class that's going to be more fun in raid over 06:14:48.600 --> 06:14:49.760 PVP or something like that. 06:14:50.000 --> 06:14:50.360 Yeah. Yeah. 06:14:50.360 --> 06:14:53.120 I might, I might play a different class just because mages right now look kind 06:14:53.120 --> 06:14:56.960 like one bunny compared to every other class in the game but I don't know I'll 06:14:56.960 --> 06:15:00.720 probably do a mage first anyway man just because I've always played a mage 06:15:00.720 --> 06:15:05.280 you know what I mean and you ask your chat what do you want I mean why don't 06:15:05.280 --> 06:15:07.760 you make a pool right now I would like to see what the chat's want can someone 06:15:07.760 --> 06:15:13.640 do it a pool pool so I'm gonna play whatever I want to play man I'm 06:15:13.640 --> 06:15:16.560 curious what the chat would like to see and what about yeah they're right 06:15:16.560 --> 06:15:19.680 what about a non-dead Paladin or Paladin you said that you the very 06:15:19.680 --> 06:15:22.800 first slap you ever played in your life it's a Paladin you never thought 06:15:22.800 --> 06:15:24.800 I don't even know how to do it. 06:15:24.800 --> 06:15:26.800 I will I never know. 06:15:26.800 --> 06:15:28.800 Never done one. 06:15:28.800 --> 06:15:30.800 Make one. 06:15:30.800 --> 06:15:32.800 I do a new poll right now. 06:15:32.800 --> 06:15:34.800 Class to play. 06:15:34.800 --> 06:15:36.800 Oh, I'm going to do it. 06:15:36.800 --> 06:15:38.800 I want to go with mage, man. 06:15:38.800 --> 06:15:40.800 I want to see you backling your mage, to be honest. 06:15:40.800 --> 06:15:42.800 I mean, I'm not going to do it. 06:15:42.800 --> 06:15:44.800 I'm not going to do it. 06:15:44.800 --> 06:15:46.800 I'm not going to do it. 06:15:46.800 --> 06:15:48.800 I'm not going to do it. 06:15:48.800 --> 06:15:50.800 I'm not going to do it. 06:15:50.800 --> 06:15:51.800 I'm not going to do it. 06:15:51.800 --> 06:15:59.960 to be honest. I miss it. I miss the Xari with the mage. But I think you know what, you're 06:15:59.960 --> 06:16:03.440 going to end up playing like mage warrior Paladin. 06:16:03.440 --> 06:16:08.200 Yeah. I think I'll do mage warrior. A mage will be my main. Warrior, I'll make second, 06:16:08.200 --> 06:16:13.320 Pali, I'll make third. I'll probably make an undead Paladin. I'll make a no mage and 06:16:13.320 --> 06:16:17.160 then I'll make like a human warrior or something. 06:16:17.160 --> 06:16:21.800 Yeah, yeah, that sounds good are we gonna be able to do all time to time? 06:16:23.400 --> 06:16:29.480 If you play on the PvE rule set, then yeah, I think we'll see each other wait what no no no no no 06:16:29.480 --> 06:16:32.720 You told me you will roll on PvP. I don't want to get ganked pale. I just got a 06:16:37.280 --> 06:16:43.680 Roll roll on the PvP server no no no roll on the PvP server the baby first one like sorry 06:16:43.680 --> 06:16:48.880 Roll on the PvP server your main. I swear you won't get ganked because everyone is leveling. 06:16:48.880 --> 06:16:51.680 But pale I'm a massive noob and people are gonna kill me. 06:16:51.680 --> 06:16:52.880 No it's not over. 06:16:52.880 --> 06:16:58.080 And bro there's another thing. I swear there will be so many layers. 06:16:58.080 --> 06:17:02.480 There will be so many and people don't gank on the very first week. They're leveling dude. 06:17:02.480 --> 06:17:03.280 Okay okay okay. 06:17:03.280 --> 06:17:06.480 And just roll. If there's one guy that's gonna try to gank you, 06:17:06.480 --> 06:17:09.280 you're gonna shit on him. Bro you're gonna be frost, you're insane. 06:17:09.280 --> 06:17:10.880 It's gonna be you can't turn bro. 06:17:10.880 --> 06:17:16.480 Please, roll on PvP. I beg you, dude. I want to shit on you in a duel, dude. 06:17:16.480 --> 06:17:22.080 If you roll on a PvE, I cannot roll on a PvE, because I respect myself. 06:17:22.080 --> 06:17:28.000 I can't even go Blizzard or any. I cannot roll on a PvE. It makes me feel so weird. 06:17:28.000 --> 06:17:32.480 I see the Opposite faction. They are not red. What the fuck? 06:17:35.200 --> 06:17:39.680 Okay. Yeah, no, I was kidding. I'm definitely rolling on a PvP realm, 06:17:39.680 --> 06:17:41.680 So we can we can do it 06:17:44.520 --> 06:17:49.320 Yeah, definitely play on a PvP realm I just don't know what class it'll probably be a mage 06:17:49.320 --> 06:17:55.680 I'll probably be a gnome female mage on a PvP rule set and I'll be dunking you man. Just like usual. All right, so 06:17:58.360 --> 06:18:01.000 That's gonna be so fun. Hey look at that. It's insane 06:18:01.640 --> 06:18:03.360 46% mage I knew it dude 06:18:03.360 --> 06:18:07.320 I knew it people miss you playing a mage and I'm one of them. I miss playing a mage too 06:18:07.320 --> 06:18:09.320 I just don't want to press one button in my raid 06:18:09.760 --> 06:18:11.760 Fireball fire 06:18:11.760 --> 06:18:16.160 What do you think is going to be the spec for fun? I didn't see your stream is going to be frost fire or 06:18:18.360 --> 06:18:20.360 PVE or PvP 06:18:20.360 --> 06:18:21.720 PVE 06:18:21.720 --> 06:18:23.720 I think there's gonna be are you do you have the stream open? 06:18:24.520 --> 06:18:30.200 Yeah, I think I'm always okay. I think there's gonna be a few builds 06:18:30.200 --> 06:18:35.720 I think one of the really good builds is gonna be this for PvE. I'll make it right now 06:18:35.720 --> 06:18:40.720 Yeah. Okay, go ahead. 06:18:40.720 --> 06:18:42.720 Oops. 06:18:42.720 --> 06:18:45.720 This will probably be maybe the best build. 06:18:45.720 --> 06:18:47.720 You're going to spam Frost. 06:18:47.720 --> 06:18:49.720 I guess you have some pyroblast. 06:18:49.720 --> 06:18:51.720 Hey, you know the pyroblast, the odd streak, is that even like the wrath of the Disking 06:18:51.720 --> 06:18:53.720 one? It's not instant, huh? 06:18:53.720 --> 06:18:55.720 Yeah, it's kind of weird. Yeah, it's kind of weird. 06:18:55.720 --> 06:18:56.720 Yeah, it is weird. 06:18:56.720 --> 06:18:58.720 I don't think I like it. Yeah, I hope it gets reword. 06:18:58.720 --> 06:19:00.720 Yeah, me too. I don't like it. 06:19:00.720 --> 06:19:01.720 Yeah, it's not real. 06:19:01.720 --> 06:19:04.720 It's like you have to get three crits to get like a quick cast pyro, like bro, 06:19:04.720 --> 06:19:06.720 Yeah 06:19:07.800 --> 06:19:12.280 Anyway, this build will be really good because you're just gonna spam frost fire bolt and 06:19:12.760 --> 06:19:17.240 Frost fire bolt is gonna get crit from ice shards fingers of frost 06:19:17.840 --> 06:19:18.840 piercing 06:19:18.840 --> 06:19:22.320 Shatter, but it's also gonna get ignite master of elements 06:19:22.760 --> 06:19:27.320 Improved scorch firepower and critical mass. So this bill is gonna be cracked. I think 06:19:28.840 --> 06:19:31.920 This actually looks fun. I didn't think about that spec for videos cool 06:19:31.920 --> 06:19:42.000 Yeah, another build that looks fun is this one. This one's gonna blow your mind. You ready? Okay. Yeah, you're also gonna be spamming frost fire bolt 06:19:42.840 --> 06:19:45.980 But frost fire bolt has a chance to proc missile barrage 06:19:46.480 --> 06:19:49.600 So you're gonna do frost fire bolt frost fire ball in the missiles 06:19:50.000 --> 06:19:53.880 Frost fire bolt frost fire bolt and then say you get like a fingers of frost into an ice lance 06:19:54.120 --> 06:19:56.400 But frost fire bolt is gonna dip into ignite 06:19:56.400 --> 06:20:02.800 It's also gonna dip in the piercing ice and fingers of frost and shatter and it's also gonna give you missile brush 06:20:02.800 --> 06:20:05.920 So it triple dips all three. So this could be kind of sick 06:20:05.920 --> 06:20:11.240 Oh, it's also the missiles get like arcane impact. Can you get like clear casting and stuff too? 06:20:11.480 --> 06:20:15.880 So yeah, this bill is gonna be kind of nuts. I don't know how good it'll be, but it'll be kind of fun 06:20:16.520 --> 06:20:22.600 I'm so glad we're dealing with missiles but missile barrage. It's so fun. I love missile barrage 06:20:22.600 --> 06:20:31.600 Yeah me too. It's so fun yeah. This will brush is my favorite. And then this will be the third one, let me, you can type I'm gonna build it. 06:20:31.600 --> 06:20:41.600 Mej's gonna be really more fun I will see. Cause me I always talk, I always like, you know like, Classic Vanio Mej I play Elemental, TBC I play Pompirou. 06:20:41.600 --> 06:20:49.600 I never been a big fan of Frost, but now Frost, with finger of Frost and Iceland's plus the little missile barrage. 06:20:49.600 --> 06:20:51.600 in Classic Daniel, I don't mind it. 06:20:51.600 --> 06:20:53.600 I think it's a big break. 06:20:53.600 --> 06:20:57.600 Can I see your PvP spec first if you don't mind after? 06:20:57.600 --> 06:20:59.600 Yeah, I'll show you after. 06:20:59.600 --> 06:21:04.600 Alright, so this might actually be the best PvE spec in the game for Mage. 06:21:04.600 --> 06:21:08.600 So the way Arcane Blast works is you get four stacks. 06:21:08.600 --> 06:21:12.600 Each stack gives you 10% extra damage to all your other Arcane spells, 06:21:12.600 --> 06:21:14.600 so not Arcane Blast. 06:21:14.600 --> 06:21:16.600 Does that make sense? 06:21:16.600 --> 06:21:27.460 Only you get 10% stacking of the four times 10% damage on all your other arcane spells or all your other spells not arcane all your other spells so 06:21:29.440 --> 06:21:31.440 But it's not arcane blast itself 06:21:32.560 --> 06:21:34.560 So it's only all other spells 06:21:34.720 --> 06:21:40.200 So what you do is you do four arcane blasts and if you get a missile barrage you just send the missile barrage 06:21:40.640 --> 06:21:42.640 But if you don't get a missile barrage 06:21:42.640 --> 06:21:48.360 You'll cast a frost fire bolt and the frost fire bolt will dip into ice shards and to ignite if it crits 06:21:49.880 --> 06:21:55.520 Okay, so you're just gonna go arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast missiles arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast 06:21:55.520 --> 06:22:00.320 If you don't get a missile frost fire bolt arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast arcane blast missiles 06:22:00.320 --> 06:22:04.800 Kind of like that so you have like it'll be arcane blast frost fire blow missiles kind of a thing 06:22:04.800 --> 06:22:06.800 So that that'll be interesting. So you gotta do this 06:22:06.800 --> 06:22:09.460 I get what you mean, I get what you mean. 06:22:09.460 --> 06:22:10.460 This or this? 06:22:10.460 --> 06:22:11.460 I get what you mean. 06:22:11.460 --> 06:22:12.740 Wait, the guy is, he says, 06:22:12.740 --> 06:22:16.980 The new ULT rock talent or trash, what does he mean by ULT? 06:22:16.980 --> 06:22:21.500 This guy has been spamming that, what is a NULT? 06:22:21.500 --> 06:22:22.500 What does he mean? 06:22:22.500 --> 06:22:25.940 The last, remember the capstone ones, like Venom? 06:22:25.940 --> 06:22:26.940 What does he mean by ULT? 06:22:26.940 --> 06:22:27.940 ULT, what? 06:22:27.940 --> 06:22:29.780 He means Venom, I think. 06:22:29.780 --> 06:22:30.780 Ultimate. 06:22:30.780 --> 06:22:33.140 ULT's a make, I don't get it. 06:22:33.140 --> 06:22:34.220 ULT's a make. 06:22:34.220 --> 06:22:35.220 Think he means Venom? 06:22:35.220 --> 06:22:36.220 I don't know. 06:22:36.220 --> 06:22:38.220 No, really. I want to see your PVP spec, though. 06:22:38.220 --> 06:22:44.220 But me, I think your fire spec might be the best one, though. 06:22:44.220 --> 06:22:46.220 Yeah, yeah. Probably this one. 06:22:46.220 --> 06:22:48.220 It just depends how things are tuned. 06:22:48.220 --> 06:22:51.220 Like, if Arcane Blast is OP, it'll be this. This'll be better. 06:22:51.220 --> 06:22:53.220 If Frostfire Bolt's OP, this'll be better. 06:22:53.220 --> 06:22:55.220 You know what I like from the game so far, too? 06:22:55.220 --> 06:22:58.220 It didn't put that many spells. 06:22:58.220 --> 06:23:00.220 So I'm really happy with this. 06:23:00.220 --> 06:23:02.220 You know, I feel like third, it was way too many. 06:23:02.220 --> 06:23:04.220 Was it too hard for you? 06:23:04.220 --> 06:23:18.220 I wouldn't say it was too hard. There were too many spells that was, I have the disgust on it, like Omni fucking Culus, Omni Culus dude, all cringy was that. 06:23:18.220 --> 06:23:30.220 The fact that a rogue can tank, what the hell, a warlock can tank, what the hell, you know the warlock would be like a big, like, old Illyden, you know, the transformation. 06:23:30.220 --> 06:23:35.380 transformation I there were too many things so I feel like now this is fine 06:23:35.380 --> 06:23:39.580 this is this cool I'm happy with it I was yeah no I agree I'm trolling you 06:23:39.580 --> 06:23:46.120 I was only know dinner fifth I stretch no yeah you want to put one point 06:23:46.120 --> 06:23:57.220 still a little part frostbite so no why no one want to play first start I 06:23:57.220 --> 06:23:58.980 I think it's good. 06:23:58.980 --> 06:24:02.100 And trust me, bro, if you want to be on my road, 06:24:02.100 --> 06:24:03.980 if you want to be on my road, trust me, 06:24:03.980 --> 06:24:05.580 you need that ice for a start. 06:24:06.660 --> 06:24:09.020 Frost, shard, what are you saying? 06:24:09.020 --> 06:24:10.380 I'm gonna smoke your ass, dude. 06:24:10.380 --> 06:24:12.700 I swear to God, watch out, man. 06:24:12.700 --> 06:24:13.940 Watch out, you ready, wanna go do? 06:24:13.940 --> 06:24:16.020 Okay, I'll be stealth, I'll be stealth. 06:24:16.020 --> 06:24:16.860 All right, ready? 06:24:16.860 --> 06:24:19.660 Stealth, I'm gonna Eureka, emboj. 06:24:19.660 --> 06:24:22.540 I'm gonna emboj you, I'm gonna backstab you, 06:24:22.540 --> 06:24:25.740 I'm gonna cold blood, AB5 combo point. 06:24:25.740 --> 06:24:26.740 Oh my God. 06:24:26.740 --> 06:24:32.420 You're not dead. Blind. You drink after that blind again. Have a nice one, my little piece of chito. 06:24:32.420 --> 06:24:36.740 Holy hell, I cannot wait to play Rogue. 06:24:36.740 --> 06:24:41.620 By the way, PikaBoo did the worst spec I've ever seen in my life of Rogue. 06:24:41.620 --> 06:24:45.300 I won't work with this guy, the rank one for real. What the hell? 06:24:45.300 --> 06:24:47.700 Holy moly. Wait, I want to show... 06:24:50.660 --> 06:24:52.420 And you know when you're done with your spec? 06:24:52.420 --> 06:24:54.260 Yeah, I'm theory crafting a little bit. 06:24:54.260 --> 06:25:00.020 Like I haven't I haven't really thought about a PvP build yet. Oh really? Oh wait, really? 06:25:00.020 --> 06:25:06.340 You didn't do one PvP spec so far? No, this is my first time I'm thinking about it. Oh my god, you're really becoming a PvP Nd. 06:25:06.340 --> 06:25:09.700 I've thought about three different PvE specs. I haven't thought about a single PvP one. 06:25:09.700 --> 06:25:17.020 It'll probably be something like this though. Well like you're gonna get Missile Barrage, you're gonna get Counter Spell, you're gonna get Ice Barrier, 06:25:17.020 --> 06:25:24.700 You're gonna you know mainly use frost-filled ice lances conicals of missiles counterspell. It'll probably something like this 06:25:26.020 --> 06:25:28.020 I want to see what I did 06:25:29.180 --> 06:25:31.180 Sad is this 06:25:31.900 --> 06:25:34.760 Tell me that would I put it on it. I think it's humble the same 06:25:36.500 --> 06:25:38.500 Oh 06:25:38.500 --> 06:25:40.500 Wait, you built you built this 06:25:41.180 --> 06:25:43.180 Yeah 06:25:43.180 --> 06:25:52.800 I mean clear casting is probably better than arcane crit chance. Yeah, no arcane crit chance won't matter too much 06:25:57.800 --> 06:26:03.900 And six percent crit on barrage or clear it'll probably clear casting I think but 06:26:05.700 --> 06:26:11.660 This is the PV and the anew like ten percent of your flex the neck cast is free. You don't really care 06:26:11.660 --> 06:26:15.520 You do but you can't kind of kind of nice it actually it definitely against like a 06:26:16.180 --> 06:26:19.060 Priest and a lock and Druid very nice 06:26:19.820 --> 06:26:23.540 We'll see I'll see but yeah, I have about the same bill 06:26:25.700 --> 06:26:27.700 What is this 06:26:28.260 --> 06:26:31.500 I'm just looking at your build you want permafrost for sure I 06:26:32.260 --> 06:26:37.660 Don't think of us. You have to no choice. What you have to no choice 06:26:41.660 --> 06:26:44.660 You want me to explain why? It's so important. 06:26:44.660 --> 06:26:48.660 Don't tell me why. Why do you need to do that? 06:26:48.660 --> 06:26:51.660 Because it increases the duration of chill effect. 06:26:51.660 --> 06:26:53.660 I know, bro. I know. 06:26:53.660 --> 06:26:59.660 Well, look, so without permafrost, KonaCold has an 8-second slow with a 10-second cooldown. 06:26:59.660 --> 06:27:03.660 So you KonaCold, but then the slow is going to fall off. 06:27:03.660 --> 06:27:05.660 But if you can't cast, they're going to run at you. 06:27:05.660 --> 06:27:10.660 With permafrost, it makes it to a 10.5-second duration with a 10-second cooldown. 06:27:10.660 --> 06:27:16.100 always keep a 100% slow up time. That's why you need permafrost. No wait put it back and reduce what 06:27:16.100 --> 06:27:21.860 it says and reduce the yeah but no it doesn't reduce the the the cooldown though increases the duration 06:27:21.860 --> 06:27:27.860 so instead of eight seconds it's 10.5 so you have 100 slow up time yeah you have to play it yeah no 06:27:27.860 --> 06:27:33.460 choice yeah but at the same time like okay so on who versus who you need permafrost rogue warrior 06:27:33.460 --> 06:27:37.460 Hunter that's the thing warrior warrior you don't need it 06:27:43.460 --> 06:27:50.060 Bro I can beat a warrior naked ruin I was my mage. Yeah, no no like a Sony digital like a JLaw 06:27:50.060 --> 06:27:55.980 No, you definitely know, but but you know what I mean like I feel like I feel like you could be naked warrior 06:27:55.980 --> 06:28:00.140 Like like if it's a newbie warrior me to make it but if you're finding like a good player 06:28:00.140 --> 06:28:02.140 You definitely want this hundred percent 06:28:02.140 --> 06:28:06.140 Yeah, I guess you're right, dude. I don't know what, but look at my prospect. 06:28:06.140 --> 06:28:08.140 Like, where do I want to remove my point, dude? 06:28:08.140 --> 06:28:12.140 You can take out Frost-Channeling. The mana cost isn't necessary. 06:28:12.140 --> 06:28:14.140 I mean, it's good, but you don't need it. 06:28:14.140 --> 06:28:16.140 Maybe you're right, dude. 06:28:16.140 --> 06:28:20.140 Yeah, I could remove 3 points in channeling and put it into my cost. 06:28:20.140 --> 06:28:23.140 Yeah. Anyway, our build's really on this game. 06:28:23.140 --> 06:28:26.140 Are you on farm move stall? Ah, really? Where you at, bitch? 06:28:26.140 --> 06:28:27.140 Okay, where you at? 06:28:27.140 --> 06:28:28.140 Well, Pale, relax. 06:28:28.140 --> 06:28:30.140 Where you at? Where you at? I'm gonna kiss the middle! 06:28:30.140 --> 06:28:31.740 Yeah bro, what's up there? 06:28:31.740 --> 06:28:34.940 Spine Shatter, nice to see you, fuck em all, like man, where you at bro? 06:28:34.940 --> 06:28:37.740 You can't let one guy in the chat make you upset, bro, it's fine. 06:28:37.740 --> 06:28:39.740 Yo, that was not good, what do you want to piece of me? 06:28:39.740 --> 06:28:41.340 Oh, no, man. 06:28:41.340 --> 06:28:44.940 Okay, what's your thoughts about this shitty aspect? 06:28:44.940 --> 06:28:47.740 Straight up from our boy, Pikaboo. 06:28:47.740 --> 06:28:50.340 Wait, was he trolling making this, or is he serious? 06:28:50.340 --> 06:28:52.340 I'm not sure, that's what I was wondering too. 06:28:55.340 --> 06:28:58.340 He's a fanciest backstabbyist cold blood, Himo. 06:29:00.140 --> 06:29:02.780 I feel like this new talent is pretty sick, no? 06:29:02.780 --> 06:29:05.780 No, it's not. Wait, guys, can I have some pockets in the chat? 06:29:05.780 --> 06:29:09.280 I made Xaru do a PvP spec tonight. 06:29:09.280 --> 06:29:11.680 Wow, let's go, man. 06:29:11.680 --> 06:29:12.980 I cannot wait. 06:29:12.980 --> 06:29:16.080 Wait, hold on. Let me see your PvP build for Rogue Pale. 06:29:16.080 --> 06:29:19.480 No, but my Rogue is insane. 06:29:19.480 --> 06:29:23.280 My Rogue Pale is insane. I should make people pay for watching this. 06:29:23.280 --> 06:29:27.780 But you basically do make them pay. Like, you're begging for subs of... 06:29:27.780 --> 06:29:30.780 Nothing. Yeah, you can just link it. 06:29:30.780 --> 06:29:34.780 Can you do you mind to watch all the things? 06:29:34.780 --> 06:29:37.780 I want to try the poppy poppy pop. 06:29:37.780 --> 06:29:39.780 You linked a YouTube video? 06:29:39.780 --> 06:29:44.780 Yeah. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. 06:29:44.780 --> 06:29:46.780 I want to do that. You can... 06:29:46.780 --> 06:29:49.780 That's gonna be insane. That is crazy. 06:29:49.780 --> 06:29:52.780 What are you doing? What are you doing? 06:29:52.780 --> 06:29:55.780 I was just skipping to the end so I could see your pillow. 06:29:55.780 --> 06:29:59.380 I just put the puppy pup was the 06:29:59.380 --> 06:30:00.780 best part. I did watch the puppy 06:30:00.780 --> 06:30:02.780 pups. I watched a couple of guys 06:30:02.780 --> 06:30:04.780 right first. It's so great. 06:30:04.780 --> 06:30:05.780 Wait, so your build is almost the 06:30:05.780 --> 06:30:08.780 same as his. No, it's not true. 06:30:08.780 --> 06:30:10.780 Hold on. Let me see what I would 06:30:10.780 --> 06:30:12.780 do because roast master X has 06:30:12.780 --> 06:30:14.780 some input here. Okay, I cannot 06:30:14.780 --> 06:30:16.780 wait to see that. Okay, go ahead. 06:30:16.780 --> 06:30:18.780 Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. 06:30:18.780 --> 06:30:20.780 Definitely an opportunity. 06:30:20.780 --> 06:30:22.780 Mm hmm. Defend what you want 06:30:22.780 --> 06:30:24.780 to do. Probably want this. 06:30:24.780 --> 06:30:31.500 Mm-hmm sap and blind that seems pretty good. Oh, no, I'm not I'm not locking in anything here. I'm just thinking I'm thinking 06:30:31.500 --> 06:30:33.060 Yeah, go ahead 06:30:33.060 --> 06:30:35.860 Gives you a chance to add a calm point to your targets effort dodging 06:30:37.700 --> 06:30:42.660 Hey, did you are you able to install the deter something? I think I'm getting like a troll or something 06:30:42.860 --> 06:30:45.540 Can you wait blizzard never hit you up to get all the stuff? 06:30:47.100 --> 06:30:49.860 Okay, shut up. I'm not taking the baby. We're next time 06:31:24.780 --> 06:31:32.780 did you yeah okay what do you say she hasn't replied yet man 06:31:34.220 --> 06:31:38.420 oh you're doing this guy hmm 06:31:43.620 --> 06:31:48.220 I mean you definitely want rap 06:31:54.780 --> 06:31:59.780 Yeah, Rogue is tough for builds. 06:31:59.780 --> 06:32:00.780 She's... 06:32:00.780 --> 06:32:02.780 No, it's not. 06:32:02.780 --> 06:32:07.780 It's pretty easy. 06:32:07.780 --> 06:32:11.780 I have a theory crafter this too much, but it's gotta be something like... 06:32:11.780 --> 06:32:13.780 Oh, you can actually can get Cold Blood with this. 06:32:13.780 --> 06:32:16.780 Oh, you have to go Cold Blood or in Sprint though. 06:32:16.780 --> 06:32:21.780 Hmm. 06:32:21.780 --> 06:32:23.780 Yeah, I don't know, bro. 06:32:23.780 --> 06:32:29.780 You'll probably have two builds. You'll probably place sprints in the mage and then cold blood into like other stuff 06:32:35.460 --> 06:32:37.860 Wait, it's got to be something something's kind of like 06:32:42.460 --> 06:32:45.140 And you I'm about to subscribe your channel. Can you see things? 06:32:48.620 --> 06:32:50.620 Okay, yeah, you can 06:32:53.780 --> 06:32:58.740 watch out hey oh thanks for the tier one sub for 45 months man I really 06:32:58.740 --> 06:33:04.460 appreciate that yeah you're welcome dude I love you my man the content is great 06:33:04.460 --> 06:33:10.640 oh yeah no sorry and that you can he only say thanks for me yeah yeah wait a 06:33:10.640 --> 06:33:15.200 Magnus is in the shot he wants a war he tried to start right after no no no no 06:33:15.200 --> 06:33:21.300 it was only me my little man thanks for the sub dude 06:33:21.300 --> 06:33:24.660 I mean let's make a warrior arena build right now 06:33:25.700 --> 06:33:27.700 Well, you never saw my build 06:33:28.740 --> 06:33:30.900 Yeah, you leave me a video man. It's hard to see it 06:33:31.500 --> 06:33:36.660 It's actually very similar to mine now that I look at it. Oh you go cold blood and sprint, but you don't go chemo 06:33:36.660 --> 06:33:42.500 Oh, well you got cold blood and sprint. Oh your builds crack. I thought that's it. Well now you get it, huh? 06:33:43.100 --> 06:33:45.100 Actually insane. Oh 06:33:45.100 --> 06:33:47.420 Your builds actually cracked, but how did you do that? I? 06:33:48.260 --> 06:33:50.260 cheat 06:33:51.300 --> 06:33:55.680 right so disgusting build I think they might know actually and but by the way 06:33:55.680 --> 06:33:59.880 I called it not they gonna nerf Eureka for there's no way they're gonna keep it 06:33:59.880 --> 06:34:04.580 like this at least for a rogue and maybe even warrior 06:34:04.800 --> 06:34:08.840 hey how did you get all like you like more oh yeah it's like something like 06:34:08.840 --> 06:34:16.040 that huh hmm yeah that seems insane cold blood sprint and prep yeah that's 06:34:16.040 --> 06:34:24.920 That's gotta be disgusting, that is gotta be disgusting, oh my gosh, anyway, um, looks 06:34:24.920 --> 06:34:26.560 like a warrior. 06:34:26.560 --> 06:34:32.920 Dude, Spearing Strike seems sick in PvP, in world PvP. 06:34:32.920 --> 06:34:34.520 What do you say? 06:34:34.520 --> 06:34:37.520 Spearing Strike seems sick in world PvP. 06:34:37.520 --> 06:34:40.160 I won't lie, I think it's useless. 06:34:40.160 --> 06:34:41.600 Mounted targets are dismounted. 06:34:41.600 --> 06:34:42.600 What do you mean? 06:34:42.600 --> 06:34:43.600 Yeah, but bro. 06:34:43.600 --> 06:34:44.600 Send it. 06:34:44.600 --> 06:34:50.920 for mountain bro bro it's just something so basically I did the 06:34:50.920 --> 06:34:54.120 mathematics wait that's actually kind of true because you can keep up with the 06:34:54.120 --> 06:34:58.880 hamstring yeah it just is useless I swear it's really useless I made the max so 06:34:58.880 --> 06:35:03.960 it's 15 rage for like it's actually kind of true yeah it is true yeah I hate to 06:35:03.960 --> 06:35:13.240 say this okay pay oh you're right that hurts really hurts me to say 06:35:14.600 --> 06:35:21.560 So you're going to add the warrior or you're going to add the warrior. 06:35:21.560 --> 06:35:23.760 She's so fun, bro. 06:35:23.760 --> 06:35:24.760 Yeah. 06:35:24.760 --> 06:35:27.640 But I want to talk about Paladin because you played Paladin. 06:35:27.640 --> 06:35:28.640 You're pretty good at it. 06:35:28.640 --> 06:35:30.160 Paladin was so fun, dude. 06:35:30.160 --> 06:35:31.640 I had so many buttons to press. 06:35:31.640 --> 06:35:32.640 Okay, imagine this. 06:35:32.640 --> 06:35:35.360 You run in and you're Holy Shield, consecration. 06:35:35.360 --> 06:35:36.360 You put up a seal. 06:35:36.360 --> 06:35:37.360 You put up a judgment. 06:35:37.360 --> 06:35:38.840 You're Holy Striking. 06:35:38.840 --> 06:35:43.160 It's like just so, so many buttons to think about and press, man. 06:35:43.160 --> 06:35:46.500 Sick loved it. I played bro. I didn't play red 06:35:49.080 --> 06:35:51.740 Yeah, do you think Paladin you like the Paladin? 06:35:53.020 --> 06:35:54.320 Undead 06:35:54.320 --> 06:35:56.560 Yeah, yeah, I love it. What do you think about it? 06:35:57.760 --> 06:36:03.520 Well, I don't like Paladin, but it's whatever I guess I'm not gonna like undead 06:36:04.720 --> 06:36:08.760 But I don't like Paladin. No, I'm not undead undead 06:36:08.760 --> 06:36:14.760 I think Undead are cool, but I don't think Undead is supposed to be a Paladin. It doesn't make sense when you think about that. 06:36:14.760 --> 06:36:18.760 Wow, you're the first person that I'm talking to that's saying this. Really, you don't like it. 06:36:18.760 --> 06:36:20.760 I hate Paladin. 06:36:22.760 --> 06:36:26.760 All the spell of the Paladin, when you think about that, are 20. 06:36:26.760 --> 06:36:37.760 Like Leoban, bubble, sacrifice, amour of justice, amour of rats. It's just like yikes, yikes. 06:36:37.760 --> 06:36:41.760 Yeah, that's why Undead is cool. You're explaining why it's sick. Yeah. 06:36:44.760 --> 06:36:45.760 Yeah. 06:36:47.760 --> 06:36:48.760 Okay, chat. 06:36:48.760 --> 06:36:53.760 And Zaru, what is the most disgusting class in Warlock? 06:36:55.760 --> 06:36:57.760 It's lock. It's definitely a Warlock. 06:36:58.760 --> 06:37:01.760 I will fly a look. Are there as well? 06:37:02.760 --> 06:37:04.760 I have 100% lock. There's no question. 06:37:04.760 --> 06:37:09.760 lock is absolutely the most disgusting class in the game 06:37:09.760 --> 06:37:14.760 as you see they changed the thing that's so fun you know the the the the the 06:37:14.760 --> 06:37:19.760 the five points you put on the right side so you don't have to be specks word 06:37:19.760 --> 06:37:24.760 anymore or axe so you put five points there and that is so fun for leveling as a warrior 06:37:24.760 --> 06:37:28.760 because sometimes you take his word oh no shit now I need to go sword drop 06:37:28.760 --> 06:37:30.760 So that is so fun. 06:37:30.760 --> 06:37:31.760 It's amazing, yeah. 06:37:31.760 --> 06:37:34.760 The whole thing for a road, it's really fun for this. 06:37:34.760 --> 06:37:36.760 I'm glad they made that. 06:37:36.760 --> 06:37:37.760 It's really, really cool. 06:37:37.760 --> 06:37:40.760 No, I'm actually, I'm really happy. 06:37:40.760 --> 06:37:42.760 I thought it would have been worse. 06:37:42.760 --> 06:37:44.760 Of course there's stuff. 06:37:44.760 --> 06:37:46.760 But like I said, I never finish. 06:37:46.760 --> 06:37:48.760 What piss me off though, it's really the portrait. 06:37:48.760 --> 06:37:50.760 The portrait looks so bad. 06:37:50.760 --> 06:37:52.760 The portrait, the UI. 06:37:52.760 --> 06:37:54.760 And what's next is like, 06:37:54.760 --> 06:37:56.760 I agree, I agree. 06:37:56.760 --> 06:38:00.600 They were wanting that he should have done that is this, come on bro, like it's classic 06:38:00.600 --> 06:38:05.840 it's not retail but there's people that says oh but payo it's fine you can download an 06:38:05.840 --> 06:38:15.480 addon to make it like classic, but why then they don't make it like the retail can download 06:38:15.480 --> 06:38:19.880 the addon to make their game look like shit, why us we need to do it, it's our game 06:38:19.880 --> 06:38:22.880 I agree, I agree, I completely agree. 06:38:22.880 --> 06:38:30.880 Yeah, it's just a little bit like, it's like, imagine they will put out of the sudden in retail the classic portrait. 06:38:30.880 --> 06:38:35.880 Oh boy, I think we'll hear about it, that's for sure. 06:38:35.880 --> 06:38:46.880 But over that, I think, beside that, I think, but even though you put the classic thing, 06:38:46.880 --> 06:38:52.040 I feel like the animation looks still like a little bit like retail a little bit 06:38:52.040 --> 06:38:55.120 I haven't looked down close on the animations. I don't know 06:38:56.040 --> 06:38:58.280 But not only the animation but the graphic kind of 06:38:58.840 --> 06:39:03.440 But no, no, I'm really fucking I'm really excited to play the the spec looks fun 06:39:03.440 --> 06:39:06.580 The warlock gonna be super overpower as you go 06:39:06.760 --> 06:39:12.000 Bro, I'm making this warlock spec right now check this thing out dude. It is gonna be so OP 06:39:12.800 --> 06:39:14.800 This thing is gonna be 06:39:14.800 --> 06:39:16.020 ridiculous 06:39:16.020 --> 06:39:17.460 Yeah 06:39:17.460 --> 06:39:21.220 I'm sorry. I know that the molten armor is the thing that's so people 06:39:23.420 --> 06:39:25.420 And I actually gonna be disgusting 06:39:28.780 --> 06:39:32.220 You think we're gonna have a tournament in the middle hopefully 06:39:34.460 --> 06:39:39.560 All right, bro like this kind of a build look at this lock build if you have to stream up you're gonna have 06:39:39.560 --> 06:39:44.560 you're going to have Scythe in 06:39:44.560 --> 06:39:46.560 life. You're going to have soul 06:39:46.560 --> 06:39:47.560 link and then you're going to 06:39:47.560 --> 06:39:49.560 have molten skin. But if this 06:39:49.560 --> 06:39:51.560 doesn't get away, just wait a 06:39:51.560 --> 06:39:52.560 second. Wait a second. Wait, you 06:39:52.560 --> 06:39:55.560 couldn't have that. Yeah. No, 06:39:55.560 --> 06:39:57.560 no. No soul. Oh my god. They 06:39:57.560 --> 06:40:00.560 put a cell in the game. SLSL is 06:40:00.560 --> 06:40:02.560 going to be in the game. This 06:40:02.560 --> 06:40:04.560 is going to be so broken. Loc 06:40:04.560 --> 06:40:06.560 is going to like I'm not even 06:40:06.560 --> 06:40:07.560 like mad, but it's just going 06:40:07.560 --> 06:40:08.560 to be OP like blocks are 06:40:08.560 --> 06:40:11.720 This is going to be the most OP thing ever. 06:40:11.720 --> 06:40:15.080 You just run up, Scythe of Life, Agony, Corruption. 06:40:15.080 --> 06:40:17.040 You're invincible. 06:40:17.040 --> 06:40:18.080 You have a pet owning. 06:40:18.080 --> 06:40:21.360 You can sack the pet, sack the pet again, like. 06:40:21.360 --> 06:40:24.440 And you can remove a Trinket, a PvP stone, 06:40:24.440 --> 06:40:27.880 because they add the PvP Trinket to like a PVC. 06:40:27.880 --> 06:40:28.720 Oh boy. 06:40:29.720 --> 06:40:30.880 Oh, that's over dude. 06:40:30.880 --> 06:40:33.160 Yeah, that locks are going to be, 06:40:33.160 --> 06:40:36.160 I mean this is just good luck against this man, no way. 06:40:37.120 --> 06:40:37.960 Oh boy. 06:40:37.960 --> 06:40:43.420 I didn't know. I didn't know they were making it the SLSL shit. Oh 06:40:44.860 --> 06:40:49.600 Boy, hopefully you're gonna nerf it, but let's do I think I think they're gonna nerf a couple of things 06:40:49.600 --> 06:40:53.240 That's for sure. I I swear they're gonna. I think they're gonna need for they're gonna nerf Rekha 06:40:53.680 --> 06:40:55.680 Which rope for sure? 06:40:56.200 --> 06:40:58.200 SLSL 06:40:58.960 --> 06:41:00.960 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 06:41:01.600 --> 06:41:03.760 Yeah 06:41:03.760 --> 06:41:06.160 What are you the most excited about the game though? 06:41:06.160 --> 06:41:12.080 I think the fact that we're staying level 60, we're staying in Azeroth and they're continuing the content forever 06:41:12.720 --> 06:41:17.920 It's like that's exactly what we wanted, right? Like that's good. It's all it's all really good 06:41:17.920 --> 06:41:23.640 I'm not my biggest complain is the darn UI, but I'll just download it out on but other than that like the three big things 06:41:23.640 --> 06:41:25.640 I wanted 60 Azeroth 06:41:26.240 --> 06:41:27.480 updates 06:41:27.480 --> 06:41:29.480 Those are like my favorite 06:41:29.800 --> 06:41:32.160 I'm really really happy the only thing that I 06:41:32.160 --> 06:41:38.600 It's make me a little bit sad is you you don't care about me. It's like I was kind of like in two TBC 06:41:38.600 --> 06:41:42.940 Even though I thought it was kind of boring. You know, I did level some a lot of character 06:41:42.940 --> 06:41:46.720 I was doing a black temple. I was I was about to get the glaze 06:41:46.720 --> 06:41:51.520 So I'm just sad that about the timing kind of that's what makes me sad 06:41:51.520 --> 06:41:57.040 I thought they would have waited till after wrath because people kept saying when do I think it'll be out and I was like 06:41:57.040 --> 06:42:02.640 Yeah, yeah, I thought it would make more more sense to end TBC go through wrath and wrath and launch it like next year 06:42:02.640 --> 06:42:06.600 I mean, I'm happy. It's right now to be honest 06:42:06.600 --> 06:42:11.680 But I I'm a bit shocked that they're doing it right now, but yeah, yeah, so I'm hurt 06:42:11.680 --> 06:42:15.120 I'm hearing that TBC guilds are falling apart like everyone in TBC 06:42:17.320 --> 06:42:19.560 It's really sad but but that's it's sad 06:42:19.560 --> 06:42:24.200 It's just like because there's people that put a lot of time with their dealers stuff like this then all the 06:42:24.200 --> 06:42:32.040 But if you can keep playing, but not really, because the game will be dead, everyone is 06:42:32.040 --> 06:42:33.040 going to leave. 06:42:33.040 --> 06:42:34.540 So do you feel like playing a dead game? 06:42:34.540 --> 06:42:35.540 Not really. 06:42:35.540 --> 06:42:40.640 If you don't really feel like it, you won't have the choice that much. 06:42:40.640 --> 06:42:43.880 Or unless you're going to play on a dead server, I guess it's just like, you know. 06:42:43.880 --> 06:42:49.760 Yo guys, if you're playing TBC, how dead is it feeling right now? 06:42:49.760 --> 06:42:53.120 Is it feeling poppin' still like it was last week or is it feeling pretty deadge? 06:42:53.120 --> 06:42:54.120 Be honest. 06:42:54.120 --> 06:42:59.640 It's rip dead uninstalled sparse dead dead Wow 06:43:00.640 --> 06:43:06.160 Like are your guilds actually falling apart is that actually like is everyone you're killed 06:43:06.160 --> 06:43:08.880 It's like you all gonna play forever now. Is that is that is that happening? 06:43:10.480 --> 06:43:14.760 Wow canceled our raids wait really just straight up canceled raids 06:43:15.840 --> 06:43:22.180 Yeah, me too wait really fail. Oh, yeah, I mean but me I had a gill with I will I will I get the glade 06:43:22.180 --> 06:43:27.320 But I didn't read this week. I was supposed to read the tomorrow and today 06:43:27.320 --> 06:43:32.860 I did not wait you did you wait so you're you're the guy that canceled like you didn't show up to your rate or the 06:43:32.860 --> 06:43:35.900 Raiders can't all right. I made a speech. I made a speech 06:43:36.220 --> 06:43:39.120 We say so your raid wasn't canceled. You just didn't show up 06:43:39.820 --> 06:43:41.820 No, no, no, look 06:43:42.340 --> 06:43:44.340 You want to see my speech? Look 06:43:45.500 --> 06:43:47.500 Read it. I 06:43:47.740 --> 06:43:49.740 Don't think I said anything on kato's 06:43:49.740 --> 06:43:54.740 I want to hear. Read my speech for my game. 06:43:54.740 --> 06:43:59.180 Yo, I'm sorry guys. It was really fun to finally have a non-crappy guild. You guys were really 06:43:59.180 --> 06:44:02.820 good and amazing. Sadly, Blizzard decided to once again release a new game at the worst 06:44:02.820 --> 06:44:05.860 time possible. I'm done with playing again with you guys for sure. And Classic Plus, 06:44:05.860 --> 06:44:09.860 thanks everyone for helping me getting my Glace PPC. 06:44:09.860 --> 06:44:16.940 Okay, we have some PPMs in the chat. Some PPMs in the Lair. God damn it. 06:44:16.940 --> 06:44:23.180 you're the guy that's gonna show up no oh my god bro so you ditch you're killed 06:44:23.180 --> 06:44:28.860 they're so ready without you yeah I'm a sale out right I can't sell my deal to 06:44:28.860 --> 06:44:34.660 play forever it's gonna be so fun I cannot wait to do this is gonna be dude 06:44:34.660 --> 06:44:39.740 we're gonna grow old together playing this game pale me and you I'm already 06:44:39.740 --> 06:44:46.500 old yeah I'm about to get 42 I remember when you were 39 and you said 06:44:46.500 --> 06:44:49.380 You're going to get your act together when you hit 40 IRL remember? 06:44:50.380 --> 06:44:50.780 I did. 06:44:51.300 --> 06:44:52.380 Yeah, a couple years back. 06:44:52.380 --> 06:44:54.260 I did do it a bit, bro, for real. 06:44:55.380 --> 06:44:55.940 I think I did. 06:44:55.940 --> 06:44:56.940 Yeah, yeah, you're doing great. 06:44:56.940 --> 06:44:57.460 You're doing great. 06:44:58.380 --> 06:45:00.620 I mean, bro, I think I'm acting my age now. 06:45:01.580 --> 06:45:03.300 I'm not banning like I used to. 06:45:03.300 --> 06:45:05.580 I'm not saying bad word like I used to, you know. 06:45:05.780 --> 06:45:08.220 You were just arguing with someone in the chat like a few minutes ago. 06:45:08.740 --> 06:45:10.860 Yeah, but this guy was my captain, small, a few pieces of shit. 06:45:11.380 --> 06:45:13.060 And I go to the gym. 06:45:13.060 --> 06:45:15.060 I 06:45:16.340 --> 06:45:18.340 Regardless 06:45:20.500 --> 06:45:25.820 My god, I'm excited when you're so lame bro you really make me active so you're really a PVP server for real 06:45:25.900 --> 06:45:31.420 Yeah, I'm gonna be a PVP gamer. I realistically I'm gonna do mage first, but if I'm not liking it 06:45:31.420 --> 06:45:33.780 I'll probably re-roll a warrior Pali or whatever 06:45:34.500 --> 06:45:38.020 Yeah, but we can all can you know at level 30 bro. You won't know 06:45:38.020 --> 06:45:42.880 I'll probably, on the beta, I'll make a mage, I'll probably, on the beta, I'll make a mage, 06:45:42.880 --> 06:45:47.720 I'll warrior anapalei, and if I'm finding one that's way more fun, maybe I'll do that, 06:45:47.720 --> 06:45:48.720 but we'll see. 06:45:48.720 --> 06:45:50.220 Beta tomorrow, dude. 06:45:50.220 --> 06:45:57.540 I know, after, it's, so it's one, what time is it for you, is it 7.18 or 6.18? 06:45:57.540 --> 06:45:58.540 It's 11am. 06:45:58.540 --> 06:46:06.140 My god, that sounds so, haha, the chuck, hey bro, by the way, I look at your Pipes 06:46:06.140 --> 06:46:12.100 Man, holy head. They are pretty big. Can we do at some point that in real life stream and we go to the gym together and we 06:46:12.300 --> 06:46:18.700 We like we do some like, you know some some stuff together like a homemade gym 06:46:19.860 --> 06:46:22.840 You know why people says gauge in the chat 06:46:22.940 --> 06:46:28.700 You never seem to die having a great time at the gym back in each other spotting each other 06:46:28.820 --> 06:46:34.580 They're not saying that they're saying this you're complimenting my pipes. He like it's because of pipes 06:46:34.580 --> 06:46:42.600 But are you I'm not supposed to call those those big thing you don't call it you don't want to say like I like your pipe because it 06:46:42.780 --> 06:46:45.800 Doesn't sound like in here at least I'd say 06:46:46.580 --> 06:46:52.460 I said I wait wait. I don't I never said I like them. I think you're going far. I said you were big 06:46:53.180 --> 06:46:58.000 Okay, but if you said if you like if you go up to another guy and said like you have a big pipe 06:46:58.000 --> 06:47:01.920 Like it's not really like I can see why people might assume that 06:47:01.920 --> 06:47:10.240 certain things from that. That was my point. Anyways, I think forever will be great. Everyone 06:47:10.240 --> 06:47:16.000 will have a lot of fun. Okay, so guys, you're hearing it here from Payo. Payo is the biggest 06:47:16.000 --> 06:47:20.960 troll hater on the internet and he's saying it's going to be fun. So if Payo is saying 06:47:20.960 --> 06:47:24.480 this, guys, then like, come on, like, we're going to have fun. And like, there we go. 06:47:24.480 --> 06:47:28.160 Yeah, but it's just like, it's like, it's very much like you, bro. Just remove 06:47:28.160 --> 06:47:33.120 and hopefully you can make it less retail-ish and yeah everything will be 06:47:33.120 --> 06:47:36.840 alright we're still in classic venue there's no there's no flying mount 06:47:36.840 --> 06:47:42.440 there's no new class still the same zone they have a little bit of zone so yeah 06:47:42.440 --> 06:47:47.480 we got like most of the stuff we wanted they didn't like there's a new raid 06:47:47.480 --> 06:47:52.760 new raid so that's cool I'll be honest I'm surprised I'm surprised yeah I 06:47:52.760 --> 06:47:55.880 think a lot of like a lot of the a lot of people are thinking they would 06:47:55.880 --> 06:47:59.640 screw up crazy hard but like we got a lot of the stuff we wanted we really did 06:47:59.640 --> 06:48:03.380 you know it's like it wasn't like yeah we're gonna fly everywhere and it's 06:48:03.380 --> 06:48:06.480 gonna you know it's gonna like I thought they're for sure we're gonna sell it 06:48:06.480 --> 06:48:11.840 for like 60 bucks or like whatever I thought for sure there's well it's free 06:48:11.840 --> 06:48:16.800 with a sub unless you want to play skyborne this 30 30 bucks it's free with 06:48:16.800 --> 06:48:24.000 this so what do you mean oh you're right yeah it's free yeah it's a 06:48:24.000 --> 06:48:26.840 they thought that he could be a sorry sorry sorry it's free with us so you're 06:48:26.840 --> 06:48:29.840 right you're right you're right we will have people that make us fake but it's 06:48:29.840 --> 06:48:34.960 free no no no I was expecting for sure a $60 box price at least like I thought 06:48:34.960 --> 06:48:41.320 they would like for sure pull that so they were good they were good yeah they 06:48:41.320 --> 06:48:46.680 were not that greedy they didn't get greedy on it I mean there's people 06:48:46.680 --> 06:48:50.280 that's all warning about the new race like who cares it's not that like me 06:48:50.280 --> 06:49:00.280 Yeah, that's what I said. I said I'm happy because I cannot wait to shit on those new race. I cannot wait. And usually I have like rules. Okay. If it's a Lube, I don't kill. 06:49:00.280 --> 06:49:10.280 F Manor don't kill. F HP don't kill. Undergear don't kill. But I'm going to make an exception. Whoever paid for this disgusting race, I am killing them. 06:49:10.280 --> 06:49:13.040 That's on the side. That's on the side. 06:49:13.040 --> 06:49:16.120 I'm going to play at Skyborn and own you. 06:49:16.120 --> 06:49:19.280 Okay, first, like Skyborn, what are you talking about? 06:49:19.280 --> 06:49:21.280 Goodness gracious. 06:49:21.280 --> 06:49:25.280 You're going to kill them like five years in front of you. 06:49:25.280 --> 06:49:28.280 Struggling to get across the land, you're just going to go kill them? 06:49:28.280 --> 06:49:33.280 Anything. Yes, yes, yes. I can't remember. 06:49:33.280 --> 06:49:36.280 Real talk, I was actually maybe going to main at Skyborn, 06:49:36.280 --> 06:49:39.280 but I looked at the gnome racial Eureka. Have you seen it? 06:49:39.280 --> 06:49:42.280 Yeah, it's too far, it's so far, it's the same. 06:49:42.280 --> 06:49:43.280 It's so good. 06:49:43.280 --> 06:49:44.280 And I like Gnomes anyway. 06:49:44.280 --> 06:49:45.280 It's gonna be good. 06:49:45.280 --> 06:49:46.280 I already like Gnomes. 06:49:46.280 --> 06:49:47.280 I don't know. 06:49:47.280 --> 06:49:48.780 I'm gonna play a Gnome major, I think, dude. 06:49:48.780 --> 06:49:51.280 Gnomes looks so, like, that racial is disgusting. 06:49:51.280 --> 06:49:53.280 Yeah, it looks really good. 06:49:53.280 --> 06:49:56.280 But you know what I'm surprised to, bro? 06:49:56.280 --> 06:49:57.280 Do you remember the race? 06:49:57.280 --> 06:49:59.280 I think you were playing retail at that time. 06:49:59.280 --> 06:50:03.280 The race, Zidelerien, Zadalarian, it was a troll. 06:50:03.280 --> 06:50:04.280 Zandalari. 06:50:04.280 --> 06:50:05.280 Yeah. 06:50:05.280 --> 06:50:06.280 What was it? 06:50:06.280 --> 06:50:08.280 Zandalari troll, you know? 06:50:08.280 --> 06:50:11.280 Do you remember what they were doing as a ratio? 06:50:13.280 --> 06:50:17.280 Yeah, it heals you to 100% life. 06:50:17.280 --> 06:50:22.280 Something like this. And I'm wrong, it was super overpowered, right? It was. 06:50:22.280 --> 06:50:24.280 No, not really. Not an arena. 06:50:24.280 --> 06:50:26.280 Oh, really? 06:50:26.280 --> 06:50:30.280 Oh, really? I thought it was because I feel like sometimes... 06:50:30.280 --> 06:50:35.280 A paladin can channel it in a bubble and get the full, 06:50:35.280 --> 06:50:39.100 But like if you're like anything else you just get kicked on or sheeped in it 06:50:39.100 --> 06:50:42.460 It counts. Yeah, I thought it was a proper power because I was about to see like some time 06:50:43.220 --> 06:50:46.800 Retail or like wall might just make a new race super overpower 06:50:46.800 --> 06:50:50.600 So everyone wanted pay for it, but they didn't do it with that race 06:50:50.600 --> 06:50:54.620 So I think that was great because they could have done it like super op or insane 06:50:54.620 --> 06:50:57.360 So everyone wanted like skyborne could have had Eureka 06:50:57.900 --> 06:51:00.840 Yeah, yeah, or so yeah pretty much it or something like this 06:51:00.840 --> 06:51:05.320 So I'm actually uh, I'm actually kind of happy that they did not so that's pretty nice 06:51:05.960 --> 06:51:07.200 Yeah 06:51:07.200 --> 06:51:09.880 I pay a wall. It's good to catch up with you, man 06:51:10.640 --> 06:51:15.560 Yeah, the next time when I whisper you on this court the don't ignore me like you did 06:51:15.560 --> 06:51:20.200 I was really sorry. I just missed it man. Like I sometimes I did I tried my best 06:51:21.440 --> 06:51:27.160 Three day three day three day bro my my discord was just getting blown man blown out really 06:51:27.160 --> 06:51:34.320 I'm sorry for missing your dm bride. I've missed it. That's that's on me 06:51:34.480 --> 06:51:37.360 Yeah, I just like I love you and when you don't answer it feels 06:51:38.000 --> 06:51:41.120 Like it feels like you know, I'm not here to cry anything 06:51:41.120 --> 06:51:45.840 I don't take you all think check on the chat was really not true to me because usually everyone would make fun of me 06:51:45.840 --> 06:51:49.640 It's make me it feels bad. No, hey, ever everyone loves you man. That's why it's like 06:51:51.440 --> 06:51:55.680 I don't know why because because my my English is bad because I'm a 2nd D 06:51:55.680 --> 06:51:58.080 I'm sorry. I'm born like this. See someone told me fat 06:51:58.960 --> 06:52:00.960 Hey, why do you care? 06:52:01.520 --> 06:52:03.520 All right, see you man 06:52:03.880 --> 06:52:05.880 gracious 06:52:07.000 --> 06:52:08.440 All right 06:52:08.440 --> 06:52:10.440 Hey, oh ladies and gentlemen there it is 06:52:10.880 --> 06:52:13.480 So I thought pay was gonna be way more negative 06:52:13.480 --> 06:52:18.240 But payo actually seemed to overall like everything except the UI just like me so 06:52:19.400 --> 06:52:24.380 Wow, that's pretty pretty good. I keep he actually is pretty optimistic about things and he's like 06:52:24.380 --> 06:52:30.060 Okay, is there anyone that's more of a classic Andy than Payo? 06:52:30.060 --> 06:52:35.480 The only one I can think of is Ampey, but Payo is like pretty much even more in the sense 06:52:35.480 --> 06:52:42.740 that like, Esfand, yeah, but Esfand hasn't played like a lot of WoW for the last many 06:52:42.740 --> 06:52:43.740 years. 06:52:43.740 --> 06:52:45.260 Like Payo has been playing the whole time. 06:52:45.260 --> 06:52:48.060 I would say Payo. 06:52:48.060 --> 06:52:51.220 I would say like maybe Ampey or Payo. 06:52:51.220 --> 06:52:52.220 No one beats Ampey. 06:52:52.220 --> 06:52:55.300 In terms of classic Andy's, gotta be one of them anyway. 06:52:55.300 --> 06:52:56.140 That's not the point. 06:52:56.140 --> 06:52:57.180 The point is he's up there. 06:52:57.180 --> 06:52:59.380 And if he's happy, then that's pretty good. 06:53:01.140 --> 06:53:02.860 Like grace for days, maybe, yeah. 06:53:05.460 --> 06:53:06.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 06:53:10.820 --> 06:53:14.900 I missed a lot of subs and donations the last 30 minutes 06:53:14.900 --> 06:53:17.540 because I'm gonna blame it on Pay-O for yapping. 06:53:17.540 --> 06:53:20.180 We got a $20 Super Chat from Pempis saying, 06:53:20.180 --> 06:53:23.460 Hazard, how do I convince my non-gamer wife to play WoW forever with me? 06:53:24.140 --> 06:53:25.180 Oh, dude. 06:53:25.460 --> 06:53:27.300 It is- Yeah, it is the time to game up. 06:53:28.500 --> 06:53:31.660 I don't know. Like, if she's really not into it, it might be GGs, but, like, 06:53:32.580 --> 06:53:36.660 if she's even slightly into it, it's the best possible time ever to play. 06:53:37.260 --> 06:53:38.940 On a brand new WoW launch, are you kidding me? 06:53:39.620 --> 06:53:40.300 It's insane. 06:53:42.580 --> 06:53:45.060 Um, Shambro, thanks for the five gifted. 06:53:45.300 --> 06:53:48.180 Thank you guys all for selling tier ones, primes, everything. 06:53:48.180 --> 06:53:53.900 Shad says you realize the way demonic sack is worded you can go demo and get so many new pets and sacrifice to get to three 06:53:53.900 --> 06:53:55.900 Yeah, that seems kind of cracked if that's the case 06:53:56.260 --> 06:54:01.060 So many primes so many subs you got Pedro the five gifted Pedro with the five-dollar tip 06:54:01.060 --> 06:54:05.260 I mean, I think we actually did get that one and Sham bro the five gift as well. Thanks guys 06:54:11.820 --> 06:54:16.700 I play a lot and you can't argue that standing in town at cap level doing nothing was kind of inevitable in every version 06:54:16.700 --> 06:54:22.780 a while. Don't you think some adaptive challenge like dungeon content may be good in long term? 06:54:23.820 --> 06:54:28.300 Not really. So the reason I feel this way is like, you're right. At Endgame, well, 06:54:29.740 --> 06:54:34.140 like you kind of do beat the game. But that's the whole point is that whether you're playing 06:54:34.140 --> 06:54:39.820 classic, TBC, Rath, Cata, Mob, any version of the game, at some point you come to an end of 06:54:39.820 --> 06:54:47.740 that game. And you could say that that sucks because like a game like RuneScape never ends, 06:54:48.540 --> 06:54:53.420 but you could also say like, wow is the most popular western MMO in the, like, 06:54:53.420 --> 06:54:58.540 I was gonna say western MMO in the world, but like, you know what I'm saying, like it has a formula 06:54:58.540 --> 06:55:04.780 and it's successful in that formula. I don't think you need to always give players things to do 06:55:04.780 --> 06:55:09.660 do at the end game forever, forever, forever instead creating a really fun journey along 06:55:09.660 --> 06:55:14.580 the way and reasons to level alts and leaning into what it does well instead of like trying 06:55:14.580 --> 06:55:18.380 to min max and create this end game like a modern MMO. 06:55:18.380 --> 06:55:22.380 I think that would just be like a mistake like leaning into what it's not, which is 06:55:22.380 --> 06:55:24.900 let's make a really compelling end game. 06:55:24.900 --> 06:55:27.180 That's just never what classic WoW has been about. 06:55:27.180 --> 06:55:28.180 Right. 06:55:28.180 --> 06:55:30.380 It's always been about the journey and the experience. 06:55:30.380 --> 06:55:33.340 So I'm really glad they're doubling down on the journey and the experience instead 06:55:33.340 --> 06:55:40.620 I'm trying to just copy and paste a really complicated end game for no reason so I don't 06:55:40.620 --> 06:55:58.940 know I see what you're saying but I think that's basically my take. 06:55:58.940 --> 06:56:01.260 I banned him over in YouTube. 06:56:01.260 --> 06:56:02.100 Got him, boys. 06:56:17.380 --> 06:56:19.140 Any competitive PvP forever? 06:56:19.140 --> 06:56:19.980 Nothing yet. 06:56:23.300 --> 06:56:25.740 Why do you take such little damage from mobs at level three? 06:56:25.740 --> 06:56:27.540 That's actually a good question. 06:56:28.940 --> 06:56:32.940 Actually you know what? Let's see something real quick, because I was kind of curious, so... 06:56:37.380 --> 06:56:39.380 I'm gonna go back in this Vaughn just a little bit. 06:56:48.700 --> 06:56:53.500 Okay, so when I'm level 1, and I'm pulling another level 1, 06:56:53.500 --> 06:56:58.600 They're doing about two damage to me per hit and I'm killing them on like three hits 06:57:00.800 --> 06:57:04.560 When I'm level one and I'm fighting another level one 06:57:07.920 --> 06:57:09.920 They hit me for like two damage 06:57:10.440 --> 06:57:16.720 One two one or two damage and it takes me like two fireballs and an auto attack. Okay. Let me just quickly go to 06:57:18.440 --> 06:57:20.440 Classic era 06:57:20.440 --> 06:57:29.000 There's an update. 06:57:29.000 --> 06:57:33.200 Because people, anyway, when I was playing at BlizzCon, there was like this split of like, 06:57:33.200 --> 06:57:36.080 there was some people that were like, no, that's how it is. 06:57:36.080 --> 06:57:38.160 And other people were like, no, you're not taking enough damage. 06:57:38.160 --> 06:57:40.520 To be honest, I felt pretty tanky. 06:57:40.520 --> 06:57:45.160 But I don't know if it's just because like, I'm an incredible gamer or if it's because 06:57:45.160 --> 06:57:47.560 they actually made you stronger on forever. 06:57:47.560 --> 06:57:51.280 So I'm going to actually log in and check this out. 06:57:51.280 --> 06:57:53.380 They're covering their tracks to this update right here. 06:57:53.380 --> 06:57:56.400 Yeah, yeah. 06:57:56.400 --> 06:57:57.640 They nerfed open world content. 06:57:57.640 --> 06:57:58.520 Yeah, hopefully not. 06:57:58.520 --> 06:58:00.960 That would be really bad. 06:58:00.960 --> 06:58:03.200 What do you think about dynamic events in my forever 06:58:03.200 --> 06:58:04.840 quest that appear randomly across the map? 06:58:04.840 --> 06:58:06.520 Probably not, but I don't know. 06:58:06.520 --> 06:58:09.160 When you test them out forever, yeah. 06:58:09.160 --> 06:58:10.360 I mean, we definitely said stuff. 06:58:10.360 --> 06:58:12.160 We can't get into the specifics, but yeah. 06:58:12.160 --> 06:58:13.080 I definitely said stuff. 06:58:17.560 --> 06:58:21.560 Um, I guess I should mention this. 06:58:29.360 --> 06:58:30.200 How do I say this? 06:58:30.520 --> 06:58:34.440 So the question was when you tested wow for effort before BlizzCon, 06:58:34.480 --> 06:58:36.360 didn't you talk to Blizzard about the UI? 06:58:37.120 --> 06:58:41.240 This is living under the assumption that whatever I say, 06:58:41.240 --> 06:58:42.240 Blizzard does. 06:58:43.480 --> 06:58:46.360 I don't think this needs to be said, but I'll say it anyway. 06:58:46.360 --> 06:58:54.200 Guys, I can give Blizzard suggestions that doesn't mean any of it is happening, clearly. 06:58:54.200 --> 06:58:55.200 Right? 06:58:55.200 --> 06:58:59.400 Like, there are so many things that I've talked about over the last year that didn't happen. 06:58:59.400 --> 06:59:00.400 Right? 06:59:00.400 --> 06:59:03.200 Like, so I don't like, I think people have this idea that it's like, yeah, anything 06:59:03.200 --> 06:59:08.400 that this, you know, it's like, no, it's not, not really at all. 06:59:08.400 --> 06:59:12.080 And you guys might say fortunately, you know, maybe that's probably a good thing. 06:59:12.080 --> 06:59:13.080 Right? 06:59:13.080 --> 06:59:20.080 Just in case I needed to be said. 06:59:20.080 --> 06:59:31.040 Okay, so when I'm a level 1, and this is, this is playing classic era, oh man I love 06:59:31.040 --> 06:59:32.040 this UI. 06:59:32.040 --> 06:59:36.720 I'm gonna need to download the UI out on this UI, it's just so good, oh, okay, anyway, 06:59:36.720 --> 06:59:40.040 now that we're beyond, oh the nameplates are so good, oh the name, the unit frames, 06:59:40.040 --> 06:59:41.240 Oh, it's so good. Okay. 06:59:43.740 --> 06:59:44.940 UI is so much. 06:59:45.340 --> 06:59:48.640 Oh, I'm gonna just need an add on. It's okay. We're gonna get past it. 06:59:48.640 --> 06:59:50.340 Okay. Anyway, let's test how much. 06:59:50.340 --> 06:59:54.440 So how many fireballs? One, two fireballs and some auto attacks 06:59:54.440 --> 06:59:55.840 and they're hitting me for one damage. 07:00:00.040 --> 07:00:00.940 One damage. 07:00:01.940 --> 07:00:02.840 One damage. 07:00:03.940 --> 07:00:05.040 One damage. Okay. Yeah. 07:00:05.040 --> 07:00:06.840 So no, it's about the same guys. 07:00:06.840 --> 07:00:08.840 Things die in two fireballs 07:00:09.000 --> 07:00:15.640 In an auto attack and I take one or two damage like it's just classic. Wow level one. It's hard to die. That's literally all it is 07:00:16.720 --> 07:00:18.720 It's literally the exact same 07:00:18.960 --> 07:00:21.560 I don't even buy summer up either. Yeah 07:00:27.840 --> 07:00:31.960 Right, it's pretty much impossible to die like level one, I mean you could if you wanted but 07:00:31.960 --> 07:00:38.960 But I would assume all of this stuff Blizzard has made it feel very, very similar. 07:00:38.960 --> 07:00:46.640 I would assume. 07:00:46.640 --> 07:00:49.960 Plastic fireball looks cooler. 07:00:49.960 --> 07:00:55.440 I mean, yeah, man, this UI is definitely different. 07:00:55.440 --> 07:00:58.440 Definitely different. 07:00:58.440 --> 07:01:07.240 Okay, guys, I'm going to get out of here a little bit early today. 07:01:07.240 --> 07:01:13.440 Tomorrow the beta comes out, so I plan to do a little bit longer of a stream tomorrow. 07:01:13.440 --> 07:01:15.940 And I can't wait. 07:01:15.940 --> 07:01:16.940 I can't wait. 07:01:16.940 --> 07:01:17.940 I can't wait. 07:01:17.940 --> 07:01:18.940 I can't wait. 07:01:18.940 --> 07:01:20.360 Oh my gosh, I can't wait. 07:01:20.360 --> 07:01:22.640 Tomorrow's going to be fun, guys. 07:01:22.640 --> 07:01:24.400 Don't miss it. 07:01:24.400 --> 07:01:26.080 We're going to do the... 07:01:26.080 --> 07:01:32.480 In the morning, we are going to watch the interview, watch the dev panel. 07:01:32.480 --> 07:01:37.680 After that, we're going to do a little podcast style thing with a bunch of streamers. 07:01:37.680 --> 07:01:46.840 Should be Savik's, Ampey, myself, Soda Popping, Sardaco, Joker, I don't know, bunch of classic 07:01:46.840 --> 07:01:49.400 Andes, and we're going to, well, maybe we should invite Payo. 07:01:49.400 --> 07:01:50.400 Yeah, maybe we need them invite Payo. 07:01:50.400 --> 07:01:53.960 And we get a bunch of classic Andes in there, and we're just going to chat for 07:01:53.960 --> 07:01:54.960 a little bit. 07:01:54.960 --> 07:01:57.320 Boom, right from there. 07:01:58.320 --> 07:01:59.520 We're gonna send the beta all day. 07:01:59.520 --> 07:02:00.520 It's gonna be fantastic. 07:02:00.520 --> 07:02:02.080 Yeah, so the popping should be there. 07:02:02.080 --> 07:02:05.380 All right guys, if you enjoyed the follow button, 07:02:05.380 --> 07:02:06.400 we'll see you guys tomorrow. 07:02:06.400 --> 07:02:07.840 Thank you so much for the support. 07:02:07.840 --> 07:02:12.000 I definitely was pretty bad about subs 07:02:12.000 --> 07:02:14.120 and donuts and stuff, so if I didn't shout you out, 07:02:14.120 --> 07:02:15.120 thank you very much guys. 07:02:15.120 --> 07:02:18.800 I was trying my best to, you know, 07:02:18.800 --> 07:02:20.200 trying to cover everything. 07:02:22.120 --> 07:02:24.040 Someone said, quick, if you pull up talents forever, 07:02:24.040 --> 07:02:25.360 It looks like it's completely rebuilt 07:02:25.360 --> 07:02:27.560 from the last beta client files right now. 07:02:29.400 --> 07:02:31.200 Talents forever mage. 07:02:38.200 --> 07:02:42.560 I don't know, man, this looks very, very similar to me. 07:02:42.560 --> 07:02:43.840 What's I missing, Selen? 07:02:49.800 --> 07:02:51.560 New, now built from the beta client, 07:02:51.560 --> 07:02:53.640 every talent rank, racial, legacy, Perkins, 07:02:53.640 --> 07:02:55.880 Tell about entry matches, Blizzard beta files, 07:02:55.880 --> 07:02:56.780 see what changed. 07:03:02.640 --> 07:03:04.000 Cool, I mean interesting. 07:03:09.520 --> 07:03:11.640 Wow, this website is insane. 07:03:11.640 --> 07:03:12.900 Goodness gracious. 07:03:14.840 --> 07:03:16.080 Goodness gracious. 07:03:16.080 --> 07:03:17.400 All right, anyway, I'll see you guys tomorrow. 07:03:17.400 --> 07:03:19.680 Thanks for watching, we're out of here. 07:03:19.680 --> 07:03:20.520 Peace. 07:03:23.640 --> 07:03:25.700 you 07:03:53.640 --> 07:03:55.700 you 07:04:23.640 --> 07:04:25.700 you