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People happy.

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Someone kick this gnome out of Stormwind.

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Good morning chat.

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What an introduction, huh?

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Wow, nice guys, nice!

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All the little gnomies coming out to play and a big ogre behind us too.

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Goodness gracious.

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That is awesome.

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Good morning, good morning, good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Gotcha, back.

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We're back, we're back, we're back.

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We're back, we're back, we're back, we're back.

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Good morning.

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Today might finally be the day where we make an alt.

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Maybe.

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Same shirt.

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It's a different one from yesterday, but it's the same one probably as the day before

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because we did some laundry.

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So, yeah.

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So yeah.

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What up to Alaska?

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How's it going?

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Good evening.

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What up, new Riverlands?

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Today we're gonna check out the Riverlands today.

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We're gonna explore.

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We're gonna finally get some more tools and some PVP in.

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Maybe get some gear upgrades.

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But besides that, we're hopping into an alt.

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Saw you on the podcast.

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Wait, what podcast?

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Oh

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Wow

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It's out unpacking beta launch featuring Zaru episode one of the wow forever podcast. Oh wow guys

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We literally filmed this like yesterday like two days ago. I can't believe it's already live

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Oh my gosh, I thought they would take like at least two weeks to get that out

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Wow, okay. Yeah, it's live

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Cool

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Sick yeah, the other day when I said I had to go

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We're filming stuff

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Dude guys, it's been it's been wild around here man. It has been wild legit wild around here. All right

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What podcast make t-shirts now?

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Well, we've done some more. We've done podcasts, man.

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I mean, we did the one with Savik's.

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I don't know if people were talking about an old one, this one.

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Who knows? Now we know.

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Crazy. Of course, that would be on the first episode.

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Yeah, yeah, that's, it's actually pretty legit.

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I didn't know. There's actually, yeah, three choches on this episode, so.

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Still, there's the G-Babe fitted, yes, we're going to start with some Reacts and then get

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into some gameplay.

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We actually have a little time for Reacts today.

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Um, are you going to be mad if I leave the stream and watch the podcast?

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Uh, no, check it out.

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Mark Starling, thanks for the T1.

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Did they tweet that this was live?

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Maybe I should send a little retweet.

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Twitter.com slash Warcraft.

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Oh, they did I'll do a little retweet a little retweet

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Cool

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Cool cool cool alien thanks for the front

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Delayed birthday gift on screen. Oh true. Oh got it. Thank you, man

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You're gonna watch the episode on stream heck no I don't like

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Looking at myself or watching myself talk at all. Definitely not.

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But you guys can watch it if you want.

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Jimmy, thanks for the prom. Appreciate it.

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That's a lot of naked gnomes. That is just it is a lot of naked gnomes.

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Tons of naked gnomes.

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PQ reacted to your mage council? No way.

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May Skyborne ult to follow up with the theory wise critique stuff.

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That's not a bad idea.

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I mean, I'm not gonna, yeah, we'll see.

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I kind of wanted to do human because I love the human starting zone a lot.

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It's my favorite.

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And I didn't do it on my last character.

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So I kind of wanted to do humans because I'm so familiar with the quest.

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I'm so familiar with the zone and I haven't seen it yet.

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though. Yeah, this is actually legit. This is very legit starting soon. Why not Horde?

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Because you can only have either Alliance or Horde on the PvP realm. And since we already

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have a guild going, I think this makes sense. No keybinding on one is actually evil. Dude,

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I'm saving it for KonaCold. I already have all my keybinds planned out. Shift one, shrink

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S ice barrier one cone of cold shift our rank one cone of cold cold snap here ice block here counter spell here

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R is usually nades, but if I don't go engineering then I'll probably put it to

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Either like one of the ratios or new items that we get

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Shift C is my second every trinket

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Z will be like a Hell Stone. G is Scorch. Shift 4 might actually be open for another item. Shift Y,

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Mage Armor. Shift V, Focus Counterspell. Alt 2 is Frostward. X is Mount. Y is Cancelora,

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Macro, and F4 I might use for Frostfire Bowl. Actually Frostfire Bowl I'll probably put on

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Shift 4 or R? Since that's a new one. Why don't I use the key button Q? I strafe with

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Q and E. You don't mind Caps Lock? I use it as a modifier. So for me, Caps Lock is

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Control and when I use Control 1, it's Caps Lock 1 essentially. Why do you skip

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finding certain slots on the bar. Um, it's actually something I got from Wreckful. Let's

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see, action bars always show. Always show action bars. Let me see. Can you do it here?

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Yeah, here we go, turn that off.

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Turn that off, turn that off.

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So basically, when you have all of these filled in,

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you have gaps like this.

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It's hard to tell when they're not filled in,

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but you have gaps.

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And when you look at my keybinds,

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I have groups of abilities.

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So when I look down at my bar,

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I can see, okay, this group have abilities,

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like a lot of really important cooldowns.

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On my mage, it's usually like deep freeze,

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counterspell, ice block, cold snap, evo-kate, and grenade.

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So I can really tell at a quick glance,

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everything that's important here,

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but I want it separated,

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so it's not like blurring into the keybinds here and here.

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It's just preference, but I think it looks nice.

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Any advice for new streamers?

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Uh, Pona, thanks for the 2-1.

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Any advice for new streamers?

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Everyone has their own unique perspective on the world.

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So share yours.

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Pona, thanks for the 2-1.

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Butraski, thanks for the Prime.

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We got a new member on YouTube from Bob.

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Thank you, Bob.

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Chermi, thanks for the Prime.

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Alien, thanks for the Prime.

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Mark, thanks for the 2-1.

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Taylor, thanks for the 2-1.

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Shady, thanks for the Prime.

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Kaby, thanks for the bits.

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How about Priest right now?

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Looks insanely good.

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I'm still in vote of letting the streamers have their own layers, so they stop ruining everything.

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Yeah, screw those streamers. I agree.

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Do you see the post claiming you guys steal content but the guy was trying to steal the farmer content?

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I didn't see it, no.

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Is my Twitter broken or do you post once every six months?

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Yeah, I got off Twitter like two years ago.

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I only log on Twitter for sponsored stuff, to be honest.

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I just don't like going on that, like that app.

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I don't like going on Instagram either,

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or Twitter, or YouTube comments, to be honest.

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I kind of just like to live stream.

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I like Discord.

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I like to talk in Discord or live stream,

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or make videos, but in terms of like,

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people typing on the internet,

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there's too much anonymity for it to be productive.

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So if I'm gonna talk to someone, I wanna talk to them.

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I wanna call them on Discord.

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I want to at least have a conversation on stream,

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I want to watch a video talking to someone like over text when there's just anonymity

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it's just like a complete waste of time so I just don't do it like Twitter is like everything

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it's just not worth it any thoughts on normalized rage for warriors I'm really glad you brought

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that up. So I actually talked to Ampey this morning about rage normalization for warriors

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because I was trying to understand it. I don't get it. So Ampey said this and Ampey is much

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more knowledgeable than I am. That's why I asked him. Ampey said, I think it's the only

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option. Forever Wow has a one year life span before warrior takes over if rage normalization

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this in. I think he meant is out. Imagine if casters had a mana cost reduction based

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on spell power. It's just not a good scaling system, especially because it scales exponentially

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and not log rhythmically. He said not correct numbers but say one damage equals one rage,

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two damage equals two rage, and crits give damage and bonus rage. It just gives too much

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of a resource. So Ampey's take is that it needs to be this way if you want horizontal

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progression to actually work and Warriors not to just completely take over in the long

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run. So I was like, wow, okay, that actually makes a lot of sense. Like I said, Ampey's

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much more knowledgeable than I am. And yeah, so maybe people are hating for no reason.

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Ampy has the correct take here. I don't know. I thought it was interesting nonetheless.

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Same as the Grenzo G tweet from Sod. Yeah, yeah, sounds, I think I remember reading that.

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So I shouldn't roll Warrior. No, Warriors will be insane. His point is,

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if you didn't do this, they would like completely take over.

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Hey, what up Voodoo, how's it going?

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Did they announce a new class?

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Don't think so.

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Um, my mom, my mom.

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Unless I missed it in the interview,

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why didn't you talk about awkward Druid forms

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for the new race?

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I mean, the interview was released

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like 20 minutes ago and it was like an hour,

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so I know you didn't watch the whole thing,

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but I think there was some mention of

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like art style stuff there, I think.

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I don't know if I,

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trying to think if I,

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I definitely touched on like Skyborne

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and I feels like a little out of place.

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I watched at 3X speed, nice.

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You hear about the 100 spell power ring from fishing that requires level 1?

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No way, you can get it at 1?

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I watched that 2x speed you touched on it but you also said in your most recent video

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our direction was big and you bring it up to them?

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Yeah, guys, I have. I have a lot.

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A lot, a lot. A lot, a lot, a lot.

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A lot.

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I'm pretty sure Blizzard is annoyed at me for how much I've brought it up.

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They're probably like,

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Shut up, Xar.

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We know.

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Yo, half chubs, thanks for those subs.

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Mr. Nerd, hello, hello.

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I just bought a sub and sent bits for the first time, but Twitch thinks it's been three months.

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Yo, thanks for the two-one sub.

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For three months, I guess.

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Am I going to play in the tournament?

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We'll have more tournament details coming soon.

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Did you watch the G5 Blowscon vid? Not yet, maybe that's today.

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And you add this emote czar, what is this?

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It's like, it's loading.

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Is the emote like a loading emote or something?

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Oh, ZAR bouncy.

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I think I would rather not to be honest.

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Wait, Savix has this one already on his channel.

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What?

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Why does Savix have this?

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Please do it all prime right now.

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wild guys do you want Zara bouncy or no one's in the chat for yes two's in the

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chat for no I mean this seems kind of wild I don't know I don't see a single

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two all right you know how about this let's test it if it gets out of hand

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I'm removing it so tread lightly

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All right, that's in shred lightly tread lightly

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If it gets out of hand I'm removing it so go easy boys

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Is there a patch today they're supposed to be like a I don't know like a patch but like a new build whatever the difference is there

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Is the memory leak still in? Hopefully they fixed that. Is our add-on saving now?

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Is the add-on thing fixed? I don't know. Add-ons are still not saving? Are you sure?

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I'm going to try right now.

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Let me try turning this off and then press on.

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You're right.

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Addons are still not saving.

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That's such a big like bug.

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Hopefully they fixed that.

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I thought it would be for sure today.

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Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na

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Hey, Caj, good morning, man.

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If you use that command line to install, you have to reinstall to get add-ons to save?

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I don't think that's true.

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What's the plan for today?

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I'm going to chill for a second.

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Then we're going to do some Reacts. We have a lot of videos to watch.

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And then we're going to explore the River Glades because I still haven't seen that zone.

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And then we might get into some full Nati Bro world PvP for like the first time basically.

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And then maybe duels and then it's alt time.

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I'll probably do Human Pally, but I don't know yet.

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I really want to do an Elwin character.

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Yes, not on this next character though, I don't think.

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I think I'm going to do Elwin first.

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I could do Skyborne next and then do Elwin after that.

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I want to do both, really.

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I'll probably do both either way.

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It's very fun.

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There's not much negative.

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It's very good.

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This is the game we've wanted.

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It's awesome.

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My only negatives are art, essentially.

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Art direction, art style, art cohesion.

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That's really my...

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If I'm gonna nitpick anything, that's what it is.

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retail cask bars, retail unit frames, some retail art assets that look out of place that

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look a little too modern. That's the biggest nitpick I can do. Other than that, like, I'm

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loving it. That's just, yeah. Are you hoping for anything new in Endgame PvP? Yeah, there's

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going to be like a season based ranking system, which looks pretty cool. We need an SD Skyborne.

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I would love that I

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Love how all the regions are connected on one server. That's just for the beta though that it won't be that way in

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On launch. This is just that's just for the beta. What do you think of the new lighting? It's amazing. It's like amazing a

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Lot of people like the retail UI stuff I think I

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I mean everyone has their own preferences and that's fun, but I think what a lot of people, like I don't want to over like over generalize, but I think a lot of people like the new mini map and the new action bars, but I think the copy pasted unit frame and cast bar.

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I mean, maybe some people like that too, but I think a lot of people have a problem with a copy pasted unit frame cast bar, whereas like the new action bars like they look pretty good, the new mini map like looks pretty good too.

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I think it's more just oh, let's bring the unit frame straight from retail and the cast bar straight from retails like wait a minute

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I think those are the two bigger ones

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Actually, I actually really like the the new action bars. I think they look really nice

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I'll probably end up using them instead of the old ones. I have the old ones on right now, but

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I think the new the new the new action bars I think actually look great

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I worked out before gaming or after before dude. I don't know how people do nighttime workouts. I'm such a morning workout guy

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Like I like if I don't get it in in the morning like at night. It's just I'm tired man. I don't know

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Great interviews. Sorry. I'm glad you enjoyed

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4 p.m. Workout here. That's crazy man 4 p.m. Workout is nuts

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If I benched 350 yet my best bench is 290, but I stopped heavy benching probably

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Five six years ago seven years ago. It's been a long time since I've heavy benched

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Where's the interview back on the Warcraft channel

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All today, yeah, I think so

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Do I do any yoga? Yeah, like yoga like movements. Yeah mobility. I work out at 8 to 10 p.m

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Yeah, I don't I don't I don't know I don't help people do that my cousin works out at like

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like 10 p.m

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To like midnight

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And then goes to bed and wakes up at like 6th the next day for work

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He does that a few times a week. I'm like, I don't know how you do that

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Like, I just don't know how to do that.

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I also do 11pm to midnight sessions, it's when the family is asleep.

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If I had to do it when my family was asleep,

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I would for sure work out at, like, get up early and work out from 5 to 6 instead of 11 to midnight.

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I don't know. I just couldn't. It's just so...

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Anyway, man, if it's working for you, that is awesome. We're all different, right? It's our base in LA. I'm not. I'm in Arizona

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Bja thanks for the prime

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What's the morning your team then I usually wake up

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Get some sunlight in my eyes get some water in and then send some work for like

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however long I need to until it's time to

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get Chi up or I

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I mean, it's usually like yeah 30 minutes until he's up an hour till he's up and then

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Shannon will usually get a workout in first or like go for a walk like early morning and then I'll usually

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If I'm gonna do a workout that day. Oh wow 15 G goodness gracious. Are you flexing here?

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Getting oh wow wow that's definitely a belated birthday gift. She's it's a lot of golden coins. Thanks, brother

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And I'll usually get a workout in after that if it's a workout day, if not, like today

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was just a rest day.

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So I just did like a little run and some mobility kind of chilled, or like even sometimes

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just a walk or something.

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And then get some coffee and food, shower, hit the stream.

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Any chance our findings in UI settings will carry over and it'll be reset.

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Soda's chat is making fun of me.

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Wow, crazy.

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A penny on Soda going horde?

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It's all good, man.

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What coffee do I drink?

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I drink Ily's espresso.

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Pretty disappointing.

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Wait, what?

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workouts? It's all good men. They're mad that you didn't do the

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Lombast that Druid forms enough. Guys, I have told Blizzard so much about the art stuff,

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like that is they're annoyed at me for how much I've been saying it. Do you weigh out

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your beans, fancy grinder, etc. I weigh out, I weigh it out and I have like all the tools

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and stuff, but I do not have a fancy grinder. I need one day we'll get it.

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Thanks for this, Sauer. No problem. Get a fancy grinder one day. All your

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settings are in their own files. You should be able to copy and paste them

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to release. Yeah, yeah, it's a different client though, so you will have to

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redo it. How was the podcast? It was good. I had fun. I had a lot of fun. The grinder

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is a massive game changer, so I've heard, yeah. You need that bird grinder? Yeah, yeah.

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What's up, what up, Dave Bailey?

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How's it going?

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Zyra, good morning, good morning, what's good?

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I just stay in my own lane, Marius.

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Play with my own guild, do it, do it up.

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As a newer player playing forever,

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what's your take, ally versus horde?

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It doesn't matter, play where you have more friends.

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If you don't have friends, I prefer Lions

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I think the questing is cool and I like the towns. I like Stormwind a lot iron forge like I just like alliance for classic

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Well, it's like if do I want to live in Orgammar for the next ever or do I want to live in Stormwind Stormwind

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So that's one plane alliance, but they're both cool man

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Can you sleep well last night mr. Saur dude, I'm definitely low on the sleep. I'm definitely low in sleep

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I'm gonna try to catch up on some sleep this weekend.

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It's been a lot of late nights,

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a lot of late night meetings, late night podcasts,

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as you guys are watching, late night stuff.

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So yeah, it's definitely a lot of late nights lately,

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which is awesome, which is very good, it's ideal.

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Do you think the Nome Racial's a little OP?

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Yeah, yeah, I think it is.

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I mean, hey, like I like it because it's very strong, but I

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Could see it being only two spells instead of three

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as a nerve or I could see it

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being mana cost is reduced by like

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33% instead of 50 or like even 25% instead of 50 or

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Yeah, like I said two spells instead of three like Eureka probably needs some type of nerve

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I don't like one of those iterations would probably be fine

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Well, they rework Altered Valley to make it more PvP focused?

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Probably not.

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Yeah, just maybe new beachies for that.

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I'm working through an injury right now, man.

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My training hasn't been exactly how I want it.

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it's actually been like six months. What do you think of the idea of dungeons? Hey,

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hey, what up, Tater? Granting some recid XP to make it so people can grind them,

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but it makes them go out into the world to benefit. Don't like that idea.

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You can already grind dungeons, right? You can, you can grind dungeons, but it's just not the

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optimal way to level anymore. I think it's good. I think the current iteration is good. I think

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if you wanted to change something, you could nerf quest XP from dungeons by like 10%,

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maybe like barely tweak it barely turn the knob 5% and then buff the dungeon XP by like 5%

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right barely tweak things maybe but i think it's pretty good right now i to be honest i kind of like it

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if you like grinding dungeons you can grind more dungeons than before exactly exactly no nothing's

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Stopping you

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That $3 donor from travel saying been watching you for a long time and appreciate how genuine you are my wife

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I had a first trial September 22nd. Oh, that's a day after my birthday

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birthday. She's a beautiful baby girl. Congrats. She came three

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weeks early and wondering if you could throw me some dad advice.

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First of all, congrats. It goes fast. Alright, just just be

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present and take it all in. It is such a precious time. Like I

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my son's turning three soon.

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That feeding him his last bottle was like felt like yesterday and

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now it's like he's a full on little dude, you know, so just

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take it in. Support your wife like she's going to be going

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through, as much as you're going through, she's going through way more, right, with everything.

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So hormones and life changes and, you know, she's breastfeeding them like a lot of, there's

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a lot of changes, man.

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So yeah, heart support your wife, ask her the question, is there anything you need?

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Probably like every hour, like all the time throughout the day, because there's probably

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something and uh yeah take it all in man congrats that's what's up

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it's leveling faster than vanilla it's about the same almost identical

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travel thanks for the t1 thanks man it's a really special time less than three

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There it is, it's the summon.

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There's two different women in the chat that gave the same advice.

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Advice from a woman, look around and see what needs to be done, don't ask, use your eyes,

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fair enough.

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And then someone else says, I don't know, I lost it in the chat, shoot, about the same

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thing.

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I think that's even better.

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True.

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True.

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Yeah, I think my wife would say the same thing.

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["Memory of the Dead"]

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All right, what are we waiting for?

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I was just kind of taking a chill slow morning talking to the chat for once. It's been a

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It's been a it's been a big morning or a big big week rather

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Staking a slow morning before we get into some reacts. This is actually what I normally do every day

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We just haven't done this in a

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last week

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Taking them the morning coffee. Yeah. Yeah, I just just sit mine down a second ago

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How many bugs have you found a lot a lot of bugs, but it's a beta. We expect that

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Where am I sure it's from there all L would tease I linked him in the chat if you want to take a look

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I don't mind it having to run to a dungeon is cool for like bonding experiences so for example, like I had I was reading a really cool conversation in my discord this morning between two people.

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between two people who were basically saying...

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Let me see here.

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One sec.

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Just a really cool conversation.

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Okay, so if you know we have a discord in the Wild Forever channel,

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Someone said, I made a friend from just grouping up.

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We ended up whispering each other for over an hour

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and found out we had a lot of IRL simulators and interests.

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I've never had that happen in retail.

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I was doing the Kersen Cave and the other two people came

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and invited me and they played together.

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Yeah, I couldn't find the boat I needed on Sefer's Island.

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I asked in general chat and someone grouped with me

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to find me on the map and pinged me

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and they found, they helped me find the right dock, right?

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Like sitting to find a boat, walking to that next quest,

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walking to the dungeon, nurturing social experiences.

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That's what classic was all about, right?

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And I think as soon as you start putting in too many portals

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and summons and mobility hacks into the game,

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these types of things start to get removed

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from the player experience or they slowly start to fade away.

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So if you have to run to a dungeon,

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don't look at that as like, oh, this sucks.

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You can look at it as like, oh, I have a few minutes

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to actually think about the quest I just did

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or talk with my guildies or read general chat.

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That's part of the experience.

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That's not something that needs to be taken away.

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Nintendo, thanks to the Prime.

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I mean, there's lots of reasons that people have stopped playing over time.

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Everyone has a different reason, you know, and I think this is like the way to go back

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there and send it.

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it or not I found your channel through AI search after forever got announced no

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shot that's crazy

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it feels a bit too much force fun with some of their design choices like

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they're deciding how we should play sure so what makes you feel that way

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Like specifically.

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The dungeons in the AOE, so how do the dungeons make you feel that way?

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For AOE, it's a little different. The reason they, so I

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I think I can say this fine like that the guys they need they need to kill a we grinding mainly to kill botting like

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If a we grinding exists

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I think botting gets rampant and out of hand if a we grinding especially in dungeons doesn't exist

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Botting goes down by like a lot so that's one of the big reasons they're they're doing that

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So that's a little different

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That's more like if we have a better economy because there's less bots the player experience is elevated, right?

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It's very simple, but Dungeons sure expand on that

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What do you mean like they're forcing you to do dungeons or?

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Yep, I said that yesterday. Yeah, exactly.

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If you search wow forever the result is are you is indeed not on cofium classic

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plus is here. That's awesome.

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So, they're making me play a certain way instead of capturing the cheaters.

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This is one of the ways that they're capturing the cheaters, like they're going next level

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on trying to not only ban the buyers, but get the sellers, stop the AEW, they're hitting

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it from every angle possible.

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So, there's as little bodied gold in the economy as possible so that gold doesn't inflate.

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The GDKP ban is part of this, the AOE is part of this, the buying gold buyers is part of

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this, buying gold sellers is part of it, they're going every angle hands-on for this one, like

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they don't want it ruining the economy again.

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One of the biggest downsides of having portals everywhere is that the zones will become empty

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and the world won't feel lived in anymore.

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Totally.

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If people don't have to travel through the world as much to get from point A to point

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B.

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Yeah, totally.

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I completely agree.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I totally, I completely agree, yeah.

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So yeah, I'm kind of curious why this guy feels this way,

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but he's not replying now.

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It says like, they're forcing me with the design choices,

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the dungeons.

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Maybe he's saying that quest experience feels like

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it's too high, so you have to do dungeons now,

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or maybe he's saying that you're incentivized

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to not spam the same dungeon,

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so they're forcing you in the world.

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It's probably one of those two arguments that he feels,

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I'm guessing, but I'm waiting for the reply.

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Oh, here we go.

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I personally had the most fun in-game going AOE,

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doing dungeon grinding, doing GDKPs.

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So they're hitting players

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and what normal players can do to target bots,

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which still hasn't been working,

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but it's attracting from my experience personally.

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Okay, like I think these are some fair complaints.

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Dungeon grinds you can still do.

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There's nothing to stop you doing that.

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So like I think that's maybe a bit blown out of proportion.

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You can totally dungeon grind.

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just like before you could totally quest.

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Even though questing was worse,

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I still did it, because I liked it.

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You can still dungeon grind, even though it's worse.

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So there's nothing stopping you from doing that.

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AOE, I hope we have a solution here.

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Like, I really hope Blizzard does something about this,

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because I agree.

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GDKPs, I guess I can empathize.

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I don't like GDKPs, but I can empathize if you like them.

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But I think that overall,

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so like with every design decision,

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there's positives and negatives,

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then you have to ask yourself,

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is it a net positive or a net negative?

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And I think with GDKPs,

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it's one of those situations where GDKPs

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have positives about them.

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And if you like them, then it sucks.

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But I think it's a net positive to remove them

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in the sense that it'll do wonders for the economy.

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So for the average player,

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it's just gonna be a good thing,

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but I can empathize if you like it.

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Um, so they're hitting players and they're like,

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they're gonna play some of the target bots.

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Yeah, so hopefully, hopefully some stuff changes with AOE and then

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dungeon grinding, not so much.

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You to get peace, I can empathize.

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So like, I guess I kind of get it, but...

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Yeah.

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I appreciate them doing so much to try to prevent inflation.

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They have a lot of measures in to try to make sure that

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consumable prices don't just go crazy, right?

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They're all over the place, so we'll see.

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Can't please everyone? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean we talked about that yesterday, but if you try to please everyone, you're really pleasing no one, so I think there's some things that's like, all right, well.

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There's your reason to do a dungeon with leveling once you do the quests.

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You can get a little bit of XP, you can help a friend do the quest, or you can get more gear from the dungeon.

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But yeah, it's not incentivized to spam the same dungeon 10 times

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It's not optimal to spam the same dungeon 20 times

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Which I think is good game design, you know, I

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think in the past it was like literally better to spam scarlet monastery 20 times than it was to do anything else is that good game design

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I think like objectively no like

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Right, there should be something done about that and they did and I think that's good

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And if you liked it, you can still do it. It just won't be optimal like before. So the

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choice is still there, like there was a choice to quest before, too. So I think it's a good,

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i think it's a big win

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corvus thanks for the super chat man

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or the member on youtube brother

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hi jimmy thanks for the friend bro

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cuckoo cachoo

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uh... ally for release yes yes yes yes

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optic thanks for the tier one dude

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Wow, 105 months is crazy.

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It is.

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Can't wait to play WoW and watch forever.

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Keep up the great work, Xanamon.

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Yeah, thanks for the sub, brother.

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Have I seen the Easter egg in the Skyborne starting zone?

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No, I have not.

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Mr. King, thanks for the front.

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Do I think Eureka is a little too OP, yeah.

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I love it, man, yes.

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How do I feel with thoughts being able to create?

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It's probably a good thing.

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Like making Shadow Priest and Locke's like, like Aflok, like Viable and Raid is probably

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great.

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Dalaran is so pretty.

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Oh, he's still.

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Love the content. You inspired me to play Mage for the first time in CL. Wow.

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How did you farm all the silk for the helm, Tuff? GG.

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The silk farm was brutal, man. Let me tell you. It was something, man.

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It was... Yeah, I didn't even want to start talking about the silk farm for that helmet.

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It's crazy. Yo, thanks for the sub, man.

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You think Shadow will be decent in PvE? I hope so, yeah. I hope you want to bring a Shadow Priest or two.

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At least.

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I like achievement hunting. There's the legacy system which you might like.

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That isn't available till level 25.

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Talk, thanks for the prime dude.

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We have an RP walking ogre in the back, I love it.

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Does Forever actually feel like Classic Plus or does it feel like Retail Minus?

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I would say Classic Plus by and large.

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I would say the big thing that feels like Retail Minus is the new art assets.

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That's the stuff that's like, wait a minute, this doesn't feel right.

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The new UI from Retail, like the unit frames and the art assets from like Skyborne area

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and like the new Owl Bearform stuff.

01:00:01.560 --> 01:00:04.920
That those are the things that's like, huh, you know, obviously a little off.

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.880
But besides that, like, it really does feel like Classic Plus.

01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.000
when you're actually playing, it feels like you're playing classic, not retail.

01:00:24.680 --> 01:00:27.560
For anyone in chat, legacy points are unlocked in the beta now at 20.

01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.280
This feature becomes available when your first character reaches 25.

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:36.040
I don't think that's true unless I'm wrong somehow.

01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:44.880
Johnny, thanks for the Prime.

01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:51.800
Bobo, thanks for the Prime.

01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:58.680
Since Forever's been horizontally now, I think less Dungeon XP after First is good.

01:00:58.680 --> 01:01:02.600
It allows less to spam Dungeons for the Bisc gear or any specific items you want without

01:01:02.600 --> 01:01:04.080
out leveling your quest too fast.

01:01:04.080 --> 01:01:07.080
Yeah, I think that's a fair point.

01:01:07.080 --> 01:01:17.320
If you hit 150 in procs you can still get legacy points, you can't spend them, maybe

01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:22.400
till 25, yeah okay.

01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:37.000
Oh, you can even spend them as well, weird.

01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:58.960
Maybe when you unlock it via points, this becomes available, I don't know.

01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:02.640
I just watched your video on art style, I think Rath assets are the limit for art style that

01:02:02.640 --> 01:02:05.480
looks like classic.

01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:06.560
I actually disagree.

01:02:06.560 --> 01:02:08.920
I mean, I kind of agree.

01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:13.840
I think the art style for World of Warcraft

01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:18.400
looked like World of Warcraft until mob, actually.

01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.680
And whether or not you liked mob,

01:02:21.680 --> 01:02:25.120
and then wad was when it became a different art style.

01:02:25.120 --> 01:02:27.040
That's the new models.

01:02:27.040 --> 01:02:30.880
And then with a user interface, Dragonflight.

01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:33.480
So the Dragonflight expansion was the UI rework,

01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.680
which I think killed the UI kind of WoW look,

01:02:36.680 --> 01:02:41.680
and then Warlords of Draenor, WOD,

01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:44.740
was the expansion with the new models,

01:02:44.740 --> 01:02:46.600
which made the game look different.

01:02:46.600 --> 01:02:49.440
So WOD and Dragonflight were the two big ones in my mind.

01:02:51.560 --> 01:02:53.580
BFA had a new UI though,

01:02:53.580 --> 01:02:55.080
but that one still looked fine, I think.

01:02:55.080 --> 01:02:56.580
Let me pull it up real quick.

01:02:56.580 --> 01:03:07.060
I think that one looked okay.

01:03:07.060 --> 01:03:08.060
Is this BFA?

01:03:08.060 --> 01:03:09.060
No.

01:03:09.060 --> 01:03:10.060
Is this BFA?

01:03:10.060 --> 01:03:11.060
Yeah.

01:03:11.060 --> 01:03:12.060
Yes?

01:03:12.060 --> 01:03:13.060
No?

01:03:13.060 --> 01:03:14.060
Yes.

01:03:14.060 --> 01:03:15.060
Okay.

01:03:15.060 --> 01:03:19.860
So this was BFA, I think, which like, they moved the bags to the bottom right.

01:03:19.860 --> 01:03:22.140
Like this was still fine, to be honest.

01:03:22.140 --> 01:03:23.140
It actually was.

01:03:23.140 --> 01:03:24.700
Like, it still looked like wow.

01:03:24.700 --> 01:03:35.500
Like obviously there was a lot of updates, but Dragonflight, like so BFA was this, right?

01:03:35.500 --> 01:03:39.900
You know, like they moved the action bar here in the backseat, like this is still, still

01:03:39.900 --> 01:03:46.820
wow like, and then Dragonflight was basically how it is on retail, Dragonflight is when

01:03:46.820 --> 01:04:03.100
they did essentially this right where it like they changed the art style right

01:04:03.100 --> 01:04:08.460
the mini mapped the the buttons like the whole style of the unit frame like they

01:04:08.460 --> 01:04:11.980
changed the whole style whereas BFA like they did do a revamp but they just like

01:04:11.980 --> 01:04:17.180
kind of move stuff. So, I don't know. Anyway, Dragonfly I think was when the UI became less

01:04:17.180 --> 01:04:23.780
warcraft-y to me, personally, and Warlords is when the models did. Like, two very distinct

01:04:23.780 --> 01:04:32.380
arrows. Zaryu would be a great teacher. Thanks. Power pose! There we go!

01:04:41.980 --> 01:04:46.580
seeing multiple people in every corner of Azeroth takes away from that feeling of exploring

01:04:46.580 --> 01:04:49.640
the wild and its vastness.

01:04:49.640 --> 01:04:55.740
Um, so far it's still feel- so far it's felt great.

01:04:55.740 --> 01:04:58.340
We'll see, I think that might be a fair concern.

01:04:58.340 --> 01:04:59.980
So far it's felt really fun, man.

01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:00.980
Like, I don't know.

01:05:00.980 --> 01:05:03.900
I like- I like the rules that change.

01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:08.620
Um, there might be some negatives, but I've been loving it.

01:05:08.620 --> 01:05:11.580
Yo, Michael, thanks for the Prime, bro.

01:05:11.580 --> 01:05:25.040
people complain about everything. Um, you know, I think there's like, like, uh, uh, distinction

01:05:25.040 --> 01:05:30.160
to be made between whining and complaining in a way that's just like pessimistic and

01:05:30.160 --> 01:05:36.240
negative and complaining to complain versus bringing up something that actually bothers

01:05:36.240 --> 01:05:43.140
your unique player experience, because every player values different things.

01:05:43.140 --> 01:05:47.900
And if someone says like, hey, what are your thoughts on this, like, I'm a little concerned,

01:05:47.900 --> 01:05:51.900
this might change the way that I experienced the game, I don't see anything wrong with

01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:56.540
bringing up a personal critique as long as it's positive and constructive to some degree

01:05:56.540 --> 01:05:59.220
and not overly negative.

01:05:59.220 --> 01:06:04.260
I don't see anything wrong with that guy saying this is my experience and this is what I,

01:06:04.260 --> 01:06:07.020
you know, what I don't like, what do you think?

01:06:07.020 --> 01:06:08.460
That's just a conversation.

01:06:09.520 --> 01:06:11.360
The only negative thing would be to call him out

01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:15.320
as a loser because he's whining, which he isn't.

01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:19.240
So, I think it's very fine to have a critique.

01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:22.560
Very healthy to have a critique.

01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:32.040
Doesn't mean people have to agree with your critique.

01:06:32.040 --> 01:06:34.680
doesn't mean you're in the majority with your critique.

01:06:34.680 --> 01:06:38.080
Doesn't mean that like, you know,

01:06:38.080 --> 01:06:39.520
like anyone else thinks you're right,

01:06:39.520 --> 01:06:41.400
but I think it's fair to have one.

01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:42.800
You can have an own opinion.

01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:49.120
Just watch the podcast, good job.

01:06:49.120 --> 01:06:50.520
Hey, glad you enjoyed, man.

01:07:02.040 --> 01:07:09.480
Like mages needing to be buffed, who said that?

01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:13.480
Are you going to participate in the 50k tournament?

01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:14.800
What 50k tournament?

01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:15.800
Which one are you talking about?

01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:18.120
Could you link it?

01:07:18.120 --> 01:07:19.400
I got my keychrom this morning.

01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:20.400
Now I understand the true difference.

01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:21.400
Oh, it's great.

01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:22.400
Oh, it's great.

01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:24.280
Now I can tell what a creamy keyboard actually is.

01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:25.280
Yeah, it's great.

01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:26.280
It's amazing.

01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:45.800
Show us your keyboard, I'll link it in the chat, there you go man.

01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.800
I didn't realize so many young people played well, do they?

01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:09.800
5-10 channels, 10k players each, static, no layering, you queue for the channel, no queue time because you just play in the mega server while queued.

01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:16.200
Now servers have continuity and performance that merging issues, queue issues, or dead channel issues. Kind of like a RuneScape solution.

01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:22.600
It's actually a fair idea. I would almost want to play test that and see how it would feel.

01:08:23.400 --> 01:08:25.400
You have 10 channels.

01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:32.400
I would almost want to play test that. There might be some positives, there might be some glaring negatives, but...

01:08:33.400 --> 01:08:37.200
I've heard people like bring it up, especially RuneScape players, because it works so well over there.

01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:52.520
Do you think streamer popularity has impacts on PvP servers?

01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:54.020
Yeah, probably.

01:08:54.020 --> 01:09:08.400
We'll see how things go.

01:09:08.400 --> 01:09:10.400
You got more keys?

01:09:10.400 --> 01:09:13.760
I do have another key or two to give away.

01:09:13.760 --> 01:09:15.680
I might ask for some more after that.

01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:27.480
We'll see.

01:09:27.480 --> 01:09:32.480
Cips out and just brought the 50k dual tourney up on the classic cast as fan at the end of the beta.

01:09:34.480 --> 01:09:35.480
Link.

01:09:41.480 --> 01:09:43.480
Forge, thanks for the prong.

01:09:47.480 --> 01:09:50.480
Got some of the podcast? Oh, you're another Josh, nice.

01:09:50.480 --> 01:09:53.480
Gonna save the rest for my workout. You have a good workout later, man.

01:09:53.480 --> 01:10:00.480
and

01:10:00.480 --> 01:10:02.060
15 K prize pool or don't lead

01:10:02.060 --> 01:10:08.300
to see it

01:10:08.300 --> 01:10:10.300
I

01:10:19.700 --> 01:10:21.700
After the podcast you feel like they

01:10:22.780 --> 01:10:27.700
Understand the visual problem. I think they understand it, but we still need a solution

01:10:27.700 --> 01:10:36.700
Yeah, yeah, we'll see you guys, we'll see.

01:10:36.700 --> 01:10:45.540
I will tell you, I've been very, very vocal through the channels that I have about the

01:10:45.540 --> 01:10:47.940
cohesion problem.

01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:51.140
And I hear you guys.

01:10:51.140 --> 01:10:57.300
I've been annoying about it, right, to everyone I can.

01:10:57.300 --> 01:11:05.040
So like it is a big deal to a lot of us so we will, I don't know, to be honest, I don't

01:11:05.040 --> 01:11:20.120
know if anything will be done, we'll see, hopefully.

01:11:20.120 --> 01:11:24.880
What's the cohesion problem, the like art style cohesion, so a lot of the new assets

01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:33.200
being added look like they're copy pasted from retail. The world looks amazing and the

01:11:33.200 --> 01:11:37.320
visual updates look amazing. The lighting and the rain and the water and all that stuff

01:11:37.320 --> 01:11:43.760
with the actual assets like the gear, like new gear being added kind of looks more retail.

01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:49.920
The like owl form, pear form, some of the new mobs being added like all the new assets

01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:54.720
being created look a lot more like like out of place so that's the that's the

01:11:54.720 --> 01:12:04.400
cohesion problem you'd be asking about memory leak yeah they're very aware of

01:12:04.400 --> 01:12:08.720
the memory leak hopefully it'll be fixed soon

01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:24.120
You've discovered an exploit. Yeah. What is it?

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:40.600
Any keys left, yeah, I'll do some more giveaways later

01:12:42.120 --> 01:12:46.800
What about the same variable bug? Yeah, yeah guys, I mean the big ones like that. Yeah, they're they're working on it

01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:48.800
I think um

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:53.700
that hopefully it'll be in by and I don't know what it'll be I thought it was

01:12:53.700 --> 01:12:59.320
supposed to be in the day to be honest so yeah add-ons not saving in the the memory

01:12:59.320 --> 01:13:03.320
leak or like to the biggest game-breaking thing for now in the tunnels here in the

01:13:03.320 --> 01:13:06.680
water and see what you make of it you can find the secret note in the tunnels

01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:09.160
here in the water

01:13:09.160 --> 01:13:25.460
where I kind of want to see where this is at in this tunnel oh I wonder if this is the

01:13:25.460 --> 01:13:30.940
way that port are supposed to get into some of these well no I guess that's an iron forge

01:13:30.940 --> 01:13:32.940
Okay, that's not a tunnel.

01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:36.720
It's one of those.

01:13:37.880 --> 01:13:40.880
Doesn't look like it's this one or that one.

01:13:49.060 --> 01:13:52.060
Or this one. Okay, I might have missed it.

01:14:00.940 --> 01:14:06.300
Yeah, maybe I don't know

01:14:12.860 --> 01:14:16.920
Hey LMGD, thanks for the raid man. Hope you had a great stream

01:14:19.700 --> 01:14:25.180
Okay, we need a river glades react today. Yes, we're definitely going to river glades today

01:14:25.180 --> 01:14:31.180
I don't see bro

01:14:38.380 --> 01:14:40.380
Copper thanks for the two three

01:14:45.980 --> 01:14:48.060
Go back to the other side and check on the land

01:14:55.180 --> 01:15:04.900
Huh, the small land on the tunnels, y'all keep looking for a sec.

01:15:04.900 --> 01:15:05.900
What do you think about Talon's?

01:15:05.900 --> 01:15:15.900
I think that respect cost is being looked into, we'll see.

01:15:15.900 --> 01:15:31.420
What is he looking for?

01:15:31.420 --> 01:15:36.900
Some viewer said that there's like a note under here or something.

01:15:36.900 --> 01:15:40.380
Oh, oh maybe it's this.

01:15:40.380 --> 01:15:42.380
It looks like a toolbox

01:15:46.900 --> 01:15:48.900
Oh, there is a note oh

01:15:49.020 --> 01:15:50.180
Tide

01:15:50.180 --> 01:15:55.060
Hope you meant what you said about getting to the bottom of this mess. I waited here all day

01:15:55.060 --> 01:16:00.180
I'll return on the next blue moon. This kind of work is much faster with two people

01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:03.640
If I can't make it back. You'll have to finish what I started silver

01:16:04.700 --> 01:16:06.700
sick

01:16:07.660 --> 01:16:09.660
Huh

01:16:10.380 --> 01:16:13.180
Seems like he didn't make it back.

01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.020
Is this, uh, is this new for, like, is this on retail or is this new for forever?

01:16:22.420 --> 01:16:25.860
I do, I love little stuff like this. It makes the world feel so enriched.

01:16:26.060 --> 01:16:30.860
If you guys have played any Bethesda games like Fallout or Oblivion.

01:16:32.160 --> 01:16:35.100
Or Skyrim, they do stuff like this all over.

01:16:35.260 --> 01:16:38.040
Oh, and in WoW, like, like Classic WoW is great at this.

01:16:38.040 --> 01:16:40.740
Even in retail, honestly, they do stuff like this.

01:16:40.740 --> 01:16:41.740
Like, I just love it.

01:16:41.740 --> 01:16:44.400
Like, you fill the world with little stuff like this, and it makes it feel like you're

01:16:44.400 --> 01:16:47.560
in a real world, you know?

01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:52.880
Oh, hello, hello.

01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:57.520
Did you see that, Tony?

01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:02.800
I would like a link to it.

01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:04.800
Um

01:17:25.140 --> 01:17:31.700
Yeah, I'm not seeing any links yet seen the weather update. Yeah, it looks amazing. We'll take a look at out of that and again here in a sec

01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:37.900
I guess that update isn't today hopefully we get an update at some point

01:17:42.280 --> 01:17:45.000
What warrior spec am I gonna go probably like everything

01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:24.880
Um, hold on.

01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.720
I'm getting some details.

01:18:29.420 --> 01:18:30.420
Oh, here we go.

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:32.620
Fire.

01:18:32.620 --> 01:18:34.580
So I think it's good to announce

01:18:35.780 --> 01:18:38.420
in case you hadn't heard already,

01:18:38.420 --> 01:18:40.120
we've been working on a dual tournament.

01:18:40.120 --> 01:18:44.220
Tips is like the B when it comes to tournament organizers

01:18:44.220 --> 01:18:46.820
in classic WoW, second to none.

01:18:47.060 --> 01:18:51.280
Tips is the guy tips is from like tips is the guy.

01:18:51.280 --> 01:18:54.680
As fan is not just saying this.

01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:57.800
There is a lot of opportunities for dual tourney stuff.

01:18:57.800 --> 01:19:01.160
And I'm like, I like, I like doing them with tips.

01:19:01.160 --> 01:19:02.240
All right, give me tips.

01:19:02.240 --> 01:19:03.560
Tips is the guy.

01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:08.160
He makes the best tourneys because like he smooths out all the details.

01:19:08.160 --> 01:19:10.120
He has a team of like 50 people under him.

01:19:10.120 --> 01:19:11.400
And that's why they're so good.

01:19:11.400 --> 01:19:13.800
Like all the OTK ones, the hardcore, Makarot, etc.

01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:14.560
That was tips guys.

01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.000
He puts on the show.

01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:17.000
It's great.

01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.440
The CDL from years ago, if you're an old frog, you might remember

01:19:19.440 --> 01:19:23.040
like the old like classic Duelers League, setting up the CDL stuff.

01:19:23.040 --> 01:19:26.200
Eventually, whenever we started OTK,

01:19:26.200 --> 01:19:29.000
Tips was the guy planning everything,

01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.200
doing everything, coming up with rule sets,

01:19:31.200 --> 01:19:33.160
gathering everything out, coordinating everybody,

01:19:33.160 --> 01:19:35.280
and there's just an immense amount of time and work

01:19:35.280 --> 01:19:36.880
and effort that goes into it.

01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:40.600
And he does everything on the back end

01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:43.840
for people like me to come in and take the credit for.

01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:45.080
And do absolutely nothing.

01:19:45.080 --> 01:19:47.880
So I'm like, you know what?

01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:50.160
I would love some more credit again.

01:19:50.160 --> 01:19:51.560
We are gonna be hosting another,

01:19:51.560 --> 01:19:54.840
are gonna be hosting another dual tournament. The last one was the Makaral like three years ago.

01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:59.560
So new dual tournament is coming for the end of Classic Beta. There it is guys. Stay tuned on that

01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:06.560
tips. Do you want to tell them when they'll get more info? Yes, we'll have an announcement video

01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:11.160
coming out the next couple of days. I'll give some top-line info because people keep spamming

01:20:11.160 --> 01:20:16.480
on Discord about it, so I'll just get some top-line info out there for everyone. It's going to be

01:20:16.480 --> 01:20:22.640
on Alliance side PVP sorry on Horde side PVP not Alliance Horde side PVP Horde side PVP

01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:28.640
there's going to be a $50,000 prize pool $50,000 prize dueling tournament so anyone can compete

01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:36.800
so open meet the prerequisites and register properly and it's going to be two days October 17th and 18th

01:20:36.800 --> 01:20:43.840
so yeah get ready it's going to be level 30 30 Horde side for 17th and 18th open tournament

01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:48.280
You know, we're prepared to have thousands of people in the bracket.

01:20:48.280 --> 01:20:58.520
It should be very exciting and the plan is, if this goes well, we've got plans for level 61 and when hardcore comes out.

01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:04.400
My personal goal, I don't want to promise this, my personal goal is to do a $1 million hardcore makaraw and laugh rap.

01:21:04.400 --> 01:21:11.000
Tips has been saying that he wants to do a million dollar tournament for years. Bro, if that actually happens, that'd be so cool.

01:21:11.000 --> 01:21:18.280
But he's been saying that like we'll see we'll see who funds the million dollar attorney. We'll see if it happens. Yeah

01:21:22.280 --> 01:21:27.600
Yeah, we're just gonna try to get through this first. That's the chase you talk about chase items. That's the chase tournament

01:21:27.600 --> 01:21:29.600
Okay, that's the chase prize pool

01:21:34.120 --> 01:21:36.680
Whoever wins that is gonna probably get horizontal but

01:21:41.000 --> 01:21:43.720
No, the, uh, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. We're very excited.

01:21:45.160 --> 01:21:51.400
Okay. So it was announced. All right. So $50,000 dual tournament.

01:21:53.240 --> 01:22:04.440
Horde only. What other details? October 17th, 18th. Was that what he said? A weekend? Let me double check

01:22:04.440 --> 01:22:26.560
that date 17 18 level 30 PvP realm yes yes yes um yeah actually oh wait I wonder if it

01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.680
actually should be on the PvE realm because everyone that already has

01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:36.680
alliance would have to delete their alliance to them playing the tourney.

01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:46.960
I wonder if we should swap their realms.

01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:27.520
Okay, um, I'll ask about that, but we'll see.

01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:30.960
Beta login gives us two accounts, use the other account.

01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:33.200
I don't think, I think I've tried that.

01:23:34.880 --> 01:23:35.720
Is that work?

01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:36.960
I can try that right now.

01:23:43.320 --> 01:23:45.380
You can, it works, so it just did.

01:23:49.480 --> 01:23:52.300
Wait, does that work for everyone?

01:23:52.300 --> 01:23:53.920
World of Warcraft Beta?

01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:56.400
It gives you two accounts so you can play both?

01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:03.200
I'm gonna try it Mr. Beast text tips out collab when keep up the great works are

01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:08.120
Yeah, seriously calling us. Thanks for the 13 appreciate it man

01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.180
So when you open up beta does everyone have two options?

01:24:12.920 --> 01:24:17.040
All you have to do is go on to your be nets and add a second PTR account

01:24:17.200 --> 01:24:22.960
No cost no issues. No, no. Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no

01:24:22.960 --> 01:24:28.160
So if I click wow one and then I click PvP

01:24:33.080 --> 01:24:35.080
That's I mean so that would work

01:24:52.960 --> 01:25:06.320
Anyway, I'm talking the tips, we'll chat about it, we'll come up with a solution either

01:25:06.320 --> 01:25:09.160
if it's easy for everyone to get a second account, that's an easy solution or we'll

01:25:09.160 --> 01:25:14.760
move it to the other realm, it'll be PVE.

01:25:14.760 --> 01:25:19.000
One or the other, regardless, yeah I feel like deleting your character is not a good

01:25:19.000 --> 01:25:28.440
Okay, I guess I haven't actually like come out and said this you guys probably already guessed

01:25:28.440 --> 01:25:36.680
but I will be hosting and casting the event right here on twitch.tv slash are you youtube.com

01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:43.560
slash are you with as fan just like last time I'm so excited I haven't done a show like this in

01:25:43.560 --> 01:25:51.040
years, I can't wait. So I think you guys all probably already knew that. But now we've said

01:25:51.040 --> 01:25:59.000
it. Okay. Yeah. Big news. Very big news. So I'll be live the 17th and 18th on the weekend

01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:07.480
hosting this thing. And I can't wait. Should be great. Should be great. I love putting

01:26:07.480 --> 01:26:11.760
on a good show, man. Like on the last hardcore thing that was one of the highlights of my

01:26:11.760 --> 01:26:16.920
career was nerding out on WoW PvP and watching these duels so I I literally

01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:23.960
I'm very excited very excited legit been three years since since the OTK one so

01:26:23.960 --> 01:26:26.760
should be good

01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:30.440
should be good

01:26:31.120 --> 01:26:40.520
yeah yeah yeah we watched the last one somewhere it's on my YouTube channel

01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:45.880
Oh, oh man, that feels good

01:26:49.440 --> 01:26:57.420
Hey, I was mad about horde only um, yeah, there was some conversations about horde only, but I think it's fine

01:27:02.480 --> 01:27:06.680
Dad's watching from the sideline with thomas since with kids it's impossible to participate

01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:12.280
I mean, at the end of the day it is a, you know, it's a game, it's who grinds the most, right?

01:27:12.280 --> 01:27:14.680
So, you know, that is part of it.

01:27:28.280 --> 01:27:32.280
Wait, so I could make an undead Pali on this second account.

01:27:36.680 --> 01:27:39.440
since you could have one on each.

01:27:39.440 --> 01:27:44.160
But I really want to do that starting zone on Alliance,

01:27:44.160 --> 01:27:45.320
on Elwynn Forest.

01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:00.640
Did I check out the new dungeon in the wetlands?

01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:02.560
No, wait, can you go inside of it?

01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:03.920
Or just the entrance?

01:28:06.680 --> 01:28:25.200
You can actually do the Dungeon, what?

01:28:25.200 --> 01:28:26.880
Are you competing too or just casting?

01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:28.480
I'll be hosting and casting.

01:28:28.480 --> 01:28:30.280
We'll be putting on the show.

01:28:30.280 --> 01:28:33.560
So no, I wouldn't be able to compete as well.

01:28:33.560 --> 01:28:35.000
Do you think Under City smells nice?

01:28:35.000 --> 01:28:35.840
Probably not.

01:28:36.840 --> 01:28:38.840
Yeah, at the moment, Excavation Site, apparently.

01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:39.800
Oh, that's cool.

01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:43.400
Where did you change account on the login?

01:28:43.400 --> 01:28:45.320
But apparently not everyone has it.

01:28:45.320 --> 01:28:47.520
Entrances, blocks, you can't go in, okay.

01:28:52.320 --> 01:28:53.760
You've got mail, true.

01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.000
Log in, you're better not go to account settings,

01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:02.200
game sub, scroll down, create a PTR account

01:29:02.200 --> 01:29:07.600
Access new World of Warcraft constant before it goes live create new PTR account. Does that confirm work?

01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:11.000
Is that confirmed work?

01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:18.120
Yes, yes, okay apparently if you do this

01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:23.280
Then you get two different

01:29:24.240 --> 01:29:27.300
beta accounts and you can do

01:29:28.320 --> 01:29:31.440
You can have one alliance and one horde

01:29:32.200 --> 01:29:37.200
Unseen rule set for free.

01:29:37.200 --> 01:29:54.200
I haven't tested myself, but that could be the solution or just give you an email.

01:29:54.200 --> 01:29:59.200
Can I ask you a question? Sure.

01:29:59.200 --> 01:30:08.000
why is the tournament horde only you got to do alliance or horde I think there

01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:11.160
were some concerns with alliance I don't know yet we have some conversations I

01:30:11.160 --> 01:30:16.300
don't know it's had to be one of the other sorry doesn't reach out what up

01:30:16.300 --> 01:30:18.360
to

01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:24.120
probably because of your Rica there might be some things but

01:30:24.120 --> 01:30:33.800
Why not both on a PvE realm to see like buffs and debuffs into like host it properly you

01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:36.120
want it on one or the other.

01:30:36.120 --> 01:30:41.040
I think is why.

01:30:41.040 --> 01:30:52.240
TIPS said there's a reason and 60 will probably be Alliance yeah that sounds about right.

01:30:52.240 --> 01:30:55.680
No one asked about TBC Annie. I have I don't know what's going on there either

01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:57.680
I can't wait for them to say something as

01:30:58.320 --> 01:31:03.180
Much as people are like, oh TBC's dead. Who cares like I care like I'm so darn curious bro

01:31:22.240 --> 01:31:32.100
I love the podcast episode in a current calling your UI a bit. Yeah, I can't believe you said that it's definitely not a bit bro

01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:36.840
Crazy

01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:43.160
TBC isn't as dead as I expected but it's impossible to get a gruel and scarring

01:31:44.320 --> 01:31:47.680
It's it. Yeah, I mean we'll see see what happens

01:31:49.000 --> 01:31:51.680
So we have to get a second sub. No, it should be free

01:31:52.240 --> 01:31:58.760
Oh, it's the day shower thought so many shower thoughts so many shower thoughts

01:32:22.240 --> 01:32:52.200
All right, it might be time to start getting

01:32:52.200 --> 01:32:59.280
into some re-acts do we get blues too easy I would argue maybe that's the case

01:32:59.280 --> 01:33:03.440
I don't know how big of a deal it is but like I would argue that's probably about

01:33:03.440 --> 01:33:07.040
right uncle salt thanks for the prime in

01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:13.520
forever sheet what's this

01:33:22.200 --> 01:33:24.200
Oh

01:33:25.080 --> 01:33:31.380
I zoned he's still holy shit. I zoned and I'm a fucking sheep still

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.660
Holy shit guys, I'm gonna go to the action ass see if I can get some loot from any character

01:33:39.880 --> 01:33:44.080
Bro imagine he has to restart from level one because now he's just a permanent sheep

01:33:52.200 --> 01:33:58.160
I can't fucking zone back bro, I'm a goddamn sheep. I'm a whole different class than I used to be different levels of this game, bro

01:33:59.160 --> 01:34:01.160
Confirmed

01:34:03.280 --> 01:34:06.040
You guys just don't understand about the sheep class that just came out

01:34:09.120 --> 01:34:11.120
That's great, I love it I

01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.640
Love it

01:34:22.200 --> 01:34:24.200
There we go

01:34:29.200 --> 01:34:33.460
That's not what what does he do what whoa, I just gonna turn that off

01:34:33.460 --> 01:34:38.160
I don't I thought that was some World of Warcraft clip. I don't know what we're watching there

01:34:40.020 --> 01:34:42.020
She's Louise

01:34:52.200 --> 01:34:57.800
All right, here we go

01:35:02.200 --> 01:35:04.200
Here we go

01:35:05.040 --> 01:35:07.040
Okay, so for those you guys that missed it yesterday

01:35:08.360 --> 01:35:11.440
Wow, that's loud, but it's still so nice

01:35:13.200 --> 01:35:15.200
Our rainy day in Elwyn Forest

01:35:22.200 --> 01:35:37.000
I could have watched this all day on loop dude take a little napless in this

01:35:42.280 --> 01:35:44.540
More fog more rain dude. It's like

01:35:44.540 --> 01:35:49.540
Like, the team doing this stuff is just crushing it.

01:35:50.980 --> 01:35:53.920
It, there must be like an environment team,

01:35:54.940 --> 01:35:56.900
like a world building and environment team

01:35:56.900 --> 01:35:58.820
that's just, they're just crushing it.

01:35:58.820 --> 01:36:03.820
Riverglades, lighting, fog, shadows,

01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:10.380
weather, water, rivers, like it's just good.

01:36:10.380 --> 01:36:16.940
Good it is so good man. This team is dialed

01:36:18.140 --> 01:36:20.140
Absolutely dialed man

01:36:23.780 --> 01:36:25.780
Okay

01:36:29.060 --> 01:36:32.780
Okay, lots of stuff lots of stuff lots of stuff lots of stuff

01:36:33.300 --> 01:36:37.740
Okay, so I never saw this from yesterday forever is finally here and it's bringing massive

01:36:37.740 --> 01:36:44.300
World of Warcraft Forever. What is World of Warcraft Forever? What is it? Let's find out, guys.

01:36:44.300 --> 01:36:49.100
World of Warcraft Forever is finally here, and it's bringing massive changes to Azeroth.

01:36:49.100 --> 01:36:55.140
Today, we're looking at what World of Warcraft Forever is, and the why behind the changes coming to Azeroth.

01:36:55.140 --> 01:36:55.640
Okay.

01:36:55.640 --> 01:37:04.340
We're talking about over 1,000 new quests, a new playable race, four new zones, nine new dungeons, and two new raids.

01:37:04.340 --> 01:37:08.260
Allowing you and your friends to explore an entirely reimagined world

01:37:09.340 --> 01:37:16.180
Whether you're a die-hard classic player a modern player or you have never did that this feels like just unbelievable

01:37:16.540 --> 01:37:21.780
That this is like out there. I remember like it felt like yesterday like two years ago

01:37:21.780 --> 01:37:25.680
We were playing sod and it was like or even three years ago almost it's like

01:37:26.780 --> 01:37:28.020
Dude

01:37:28.020 --> 01:37:30.220
What if they do classic plus after this?

01:37:30.220 --> 01:37:36.380
What if, what if this is a testing ground and the next one, we actually have like a permanent classic plus,

01:37:36.620 --> 01:37:42.940
copium, copium, copium, copium, and like, and like to hear this now is just like, it's so unbelievable, you know?

01:37:43.260 --> 01:37:49.820
Replayed Warcraft before. World of Warcraft Forever brings new tools and ways to get your journey in Azeroth started.

01:37:49.900 --> 01:37:55.900
But don't worry, it's not replacing classic or modern. World of Warcraft Forever is a completely additive new adventure.

01:37:55.900 --> 01:38:01.140
With World of Warcraft Forever, WoW is putting an emphasis on the level-up journey, exploring

01:38:01.140 --> 01:38:06.740
the world and discovering new adventures on your way to max level, and account-wide rewards

01:38:06.740 --> 01:38:11.420
that make the journey across all your characters more impactful and rewarding than ever.

01:38:11.420 --> 01:38:14.940
And of course, World of Warcraft Forever doesn't end once you hit max level.

01:38:14.940 --> 01:38:20.180
There are new dungeons, quests, zones, and trade skill recipes, as well as two new raids

01:38:20.180 --> 01:38:23.500
to give you and your guildmates a fresh challenge.

01:38:23.500 --> 01:38:27.300
The spark for this new direction came from an adventure you may remember as Season of

01:38:27.300 --> 01:38:28.300
Discovery.

01:38:28.300 --> 01:38:31.980
There, players returned to familiar zones, but they were filled with secrets and clues

01:38:31.980 --> 01:38:33.660
that made them feel fresh.

01:38:33.660 --> 01:38:37.980
The community came together, discovering and documenting everything hidden in the corners

01:38:37.980 --> 01:38:39.740
of these reimagined zones.

01:38:39.740 --> 01:38:43.740
World of Warcraft Forever takes that feeling of discovery and expands it.

01:38:43.740 --> 01:38:47.180
Members of the classic team developed the concepts behind World of Warcraft Forever

01:38:47.180 --> 01:38:48.180
for years.

01:38:48.180 --> 01:38:53.020
As a result, the game feels like a never-before-seen take on the original world of Azeroth.

01:38:53.020 --> 01:38:58.580
Diving into the new zones is probably the best way to understand the changes coming with World of Warcraft forever

01:38:59.020 --> 01:39:04.060
Previously this fork and Red Ridge Mountains led to a dead end, but now it leads somewhere new

01:39:04.420 --> 01:39:08.180
The River Glade. So I actually haven't done that yet. We're gonna do that today

01:39:08.180 --> 01:39:14.260
Maybe right after this is check out River Glades. I was wondering where the path is to get there. Okay

01:39:15.300 --> 01:39:17.300
Video spoiled it for me. I guess now we know

01:39:17.820 --> 01:39:22.160
Unbelievable. It's here Alliance players can reconnect with the Brotherhood of the Horse

01:39:22.160 --> 01:39:26.400
who we haven't seen since the events of Warcraft 2, while Horde players can meet the

01:39:26.400 --> 01:39:28.080
Boulder Rock Over Clan.

01:39:28.080 --> 01:39:30.040
And what is a new zone without a threat?

01:39:30.040 --> 01:39:32.320
Enter the infamous Twilight's Hammer.

01:39:32.320 --> 01:39:37.240
In River Blades and beyond, more than 1,000 new quests reshape your leveling journey.

01:39:37.240 --> 01:39:40.400
Similar factions return in unfamiliar circumstances.

01:39:40.400 --> 01:39:42.600
Existing zones gain new adventures.

01:39:42.600 --> 01:39:44.960
Old dungeons give new rewards.

01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:49.000
And Hyjal serves as the finale of your leveling journey, and where both new raids will be

01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:50.520
found.

01:39:50.520 --> 01:39:55.040
Inside lies a mixed horde and alliance camp, who were forced into an uneasy peace after

01:39:55.040 --> 01:39:56.040
getting trapped together.

01:39:56.040 --> 01:40:00.200
Now, they'll have to stick to their tenuous alliance in order to survive.

01:40:00.200 --> 01:40:03.040
And as Azeroth changes, so do the people in it.

01:40:03.040 --> 01:40:04.360
The Skyborne.

01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:08.800
Known among their people as the Shendorai, a world of Warcraft Forever's new playable

01:40:08.800 --> 01:40:13.520
race, their home, abilities, and appearance are all built around their connection to the

01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.520
sky, the elements, and the spiritual forces sustaining their civilization.

01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:22.740
The Skyborn's racial ability is Walk on Air, which turns a fall into a controlled glide.

01:40:22.740 --> 01:40:27.720
This makes exploration easier, and accidentally falling off a cliff a lot less embarrassing.

01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:32.540
Skyeborn can also choose a side with either the Horde or Alliance.

01:40:32.540 --> 01:40:37.460
World of Warcraft Forever also introduces new race and class combos, like Dwarf Shamans,

01:40:37.460 --> 01:40:42.540
Gnome Priests, Human Hunters, Orchmages, Troll Warlocks, and anyone who's played the

01:40:42.540 --> 01:40:45.420
Forsaken Kingdom storyline already knows this one.

01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:50.420
So one of the things that I haven't heard about too much,

01:40:50.660 --> 01:40:51.820
haven't heard talked about too much,

01:40:51.820 --> 01:40:55.080
is that in all of their promotional footage,

01:40:55.080 --> 01:40:59.780
they use the obviously like the SD models,

01:40:59.780 --> 01:41:03.300
because it's less jarring for the majority of players

01:41:03.300 --> 01:41:05.900
to see what they're used to, which makes sense.

01:41:05.900 --> 01:41:10.900
But it does make then the new race

01:41:10.900 --> 01:41:14.820
New rays feel more out of place that way for sure, right?

01:41:15.540 --> 01:41:17.220
I

01:41:17.220 --> 01:41:19.220
think my

01:41:19.220 --> 01:41:27.300
Like like the the easy fix is use the blood-ealth model from TBC as the SD high-born and then recolor it

01:41:27.620 --> 01:41:30.980
That seems like I'm no artist here. I'm no like

01:41:32.380 --> 01:41:37.740
You know, I like I don't know how hard that would be but it seems like that would be like a day of work, okay

01:41:38.300 --> 01:41:40.780
I'm talking from a place of ignorance here. I'm probably wrong

01:41:40.900 --> 01:41:47.900
But it seems like it would be easy enough, because the SD model exists, you have to port it over animations, this and that.

01:41:47.900 --> 01:41:54.900
It seems like it could work pretty easy, and then so many people would just be like, so happy, right?

01:41:55.900 --> 01:41:56.900
I don't know.

01:42:10.900 --> 01:42:15.460
while still preserving the elements that make that class and specialization feel unique.

01:42:15.460 --> 01:42:19.460
While some classes change more readily than others, every class will get something new,

01:42:19.460 --> 01:42:23.700
some improvements to their gameplay, and some new tricks to aid in their adventures.

01:42:23.700 --> 01:42:28.340
World of Warcraft Forever's group journey begins early with its dungeon starting around level 15.

01:42:28.340 --> 01:42:31.380
As you level, you'll explore new and reimagined dungeons,

01:42:31.380 --> 01:42:36.180
and once you hit max level, you'll get to experience World of Warcraft Forever's new raid content.

01:42:36.180 --> 01:42:40.740
Most raids are now designed around groups of 10 or 20 players, a 40 player raid,

01:42:40.740 --> 01:42:48.740
A Nixie's Lair is available at launch, and you can expect more of those experiences occasionally with the 10 and 20 player content updates.

01:42:48.740 --> 01:42:55.240
This includes Barrow Deeps, an 8 boss raid beneath Mount Hygel that expands on one of Warcraft's most recognizable locations.

01:42:55.240 --> 01:43:03.740
World of Warcraft Forever is a return, a reimagining, a clean slate, a new Azeroth with endless possibilities.

01:43:10.740 --> 01:43:13.740
Oh, November 4th, guys.

01:43:13.740 --> 01:43:16.740
There we go.

01:43:16.740 --> 01:43:18.240
There we go.

01:43:18.240 --> 01:43:23.740
Guys, do I sound like an absolute broken record bringing up the art every 15 seconds?

01:43:23.740 --> 01:43:27.240
Or are you guys with me on this where it's just like, it's hard not to?

01:43:27.240 --> 01:43:30.240
I feel like I'm probably being annoying at this point.

01:43:30.240 --> 01:43:32.240
I'm probably being annoying at this point.

01:43:32.240 --> 01:43:35.240
But like, it's like, gosh.

01:43:35.240 --> 01:43:37.240
Oh, man.

01:43:37.240 --> 01:43:40.240
I'm with you. Stay strong, bro.

01:43:40.240 --> 01:43:42.160
Stay vocal, bro.

01:43:42.160 --> 01:43:43.160
Yeah, yeah.

01:43:45.800 --> 01:43:46.640
Cool.

01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.600
G-Bay React, yeah, so there's the G-Bay vid,

01:43:53.600 --> 01:43:58.200
the Crandor vid, there's a 720 zone vid,

01:43:58.200 --> 01:44:00.520
there's a novel vid, so many vids.

01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:02.040
I think we do the G-Bay.

01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:07.480
We've been putting off the G-Bay for like literal two days.

01:44:07.480 --> 01:44:09.600
That is way too long.

01:44:09.600 --> 01:44:11.920
Literally two days of no G-Bay guys

01:44:22.280 --> 01:44:24.680
Gonna take a deep breath get some water and

01:44:26.000 --> 01:44:31.600
Prepare for the brand new G-Bay well as a two-day old G-Bay that sounds like

01:44:31.960 --> 01:44:38.840
Blizzard actually did it and I was there guys. We saw G-Bay at BlizzCon. We did if you guys in here we met him

01:44:39.600 --> 01:44:42.680
He is, in fact, very tall.

01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:46.280
He's like 6'5", or something.

01:44:46.280 --> 01:44:47.360
He did wear the shirt.

01:44:47.360 --> 01:44:48.800
Actually, the first night I met him,

01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:50.320
he wasn't wearing his cool shirt.

01:44:50.320 --> 01:44:51.160
I called him out on it.

01:44:51.160 --> 01:44:53.040
I was like, bro, you're wearing a regular shirt.

01:44:53.040 --> 01:44:55.240
But apparently, he came straight from the airport.

01:44:55.240 --> 01:44:57.360
So I have to cut him some slack.

01:44:57.360 --> 01:44:58.840
G-Bay, very nice, dude.

01:44:58.840 --> 01:44:59.760
Very nice meeting you.

01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:04.440
It was the exact same as watching his YouTube videos

01:45:04.440 --> 01:45:05.640
in person.

01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:09.360
You can just, it's just like contagious positivity.

01:45:09.360 --> 01:45:10.620
I love it.

01:45:10.620 --> 01:45:11.800
What else?

01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:14.380
Yeah, I saw him again in the other shirt.

01:45:14.380 --> 01:45:15.960
And yeah, I mean, it was a very busy weekend,

01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:17.080
but it was solid.

01:45:17.080 --> 01:45:18.560
Did he even know you?

01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.160
Yeah, he actually did know.

01:45:21.160 --> 01:45:22.000
He actually did know.

01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:23.840
He was like, we were talking about the reacts

01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:25.560
and how much I liked the content.

01:45:25.560 --> 01:45:28.280
And I told him I was not just a fan,

01:45:28.280 --> 01:45:31.000
but I told him I was a super fan of the content.

01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:32.840
And that was pretty much it.

01:45:32.840 --> 01:45:33.920
That was pretty much it.

01:45:33.920 --> 01:45:36.200
So I went to BlizzCon this year as perhaps

01:45:36.200 --> 01:45:38.120
the newest Warcraft fan there is.

01:45:38.120 --> 01:45:42.240
Because I had heard that Blizzard were about to announce something really exciting, the

01:45:42.240 --> 01:45:45.640
long-rumored and much-anticipated Classic Plus.

01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:50.120
While it's been at for ages by now, and while there are original Classic versions of the

01:45:50.120 --> 01:45:55.160
game that are frozen in time available to play, as well as a retail version that could

01:45:55.160 --> 01:45:59.360
be a whole new game with all the changes it's had over the years, people have been asking

01:45:59.360 --> 01:46:03.080
for a new version of Classic for a really long time.

01:46:03.080 --> 01:46:07.720
An old-school Ranscape-styled server where the original game world is preserved but gets

01:46:07.720 --> 01:46:13.080
fresh new content added in the spirit of its initial design. It had been rumored for a while

01:46:13.080 --> 01:46:18.280
this Classic Plus was in the works and if this BlizzCon would be where it was announced,

01:46:18.280 --> 01:46:21.880
this would be the place that fans first spat their hands on. You guys haven't seen this side,

01:46:21.880 --> 01:46:26.120
this would look like. That's where we would all be able to hear in person from the developers

01:46:26.120 --> 01:46:29.960
about what this new game was going to be. So I wanted to be there. I've been having so much

01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:34.760
fun playing through all the Warcraft games for the very first time this past year and I wanted

01:46:34.760 --> 01:46:40.360
to be there to see a classic plus be announced in person. So naturally I got on the plane to Los

01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:45.640
Angeles, took the long drive to Anaheim and got a quick night's rest in my hotel before the following

01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:51.720
day where I shuffled into the main event hall alongside hundreds if not thousands of other fans

01:46:51.720 --> 01:46:56.680
eagerly awaiting whatever thing. What he didn't say is his plane was delayed. There was a party

01:46:56.680 --> 01:47:03.160
that first night and like like he showed up late in the in a in a t-shirt and not his nice button

01:47:03.160 --> 01:47:06.960
up and I was asking him is everyone else is playing him as delayed peekaboo is playing

01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:11.120
him as delayed peekaboo wasn't even there my like my plane was delayed but I somehow

01:47:11.120 --> 01:47:19.080
got there in time it was every single person's plane was delayed that day somehow anyway anyway

01:47:19.080 --> 01:47:24.240
there's a blizzard to announce and oh my god it turned out they had so many exciting things

01:47:24.240 --> 01:47:30.440
in the works there's a new starcraft game coming that looks dark 20 30 hell diablo 5

01:47:30.440 --> 01:47:37.080
revealed with its own horrifying trailer not to mention there's a new warcraft 3 campaign the first

01:47:37.080 --> 01:47:43.400
in over 20 years i can't wait to play this it's amazing like it's a return to golden age blizzard

01:47:43.400 --> 01:47:48.200
but even with i can't wait to play it reveals on the docket the pinnacle of it all was still the

01:47:48.200 --> 01:47:54.120
last announcement that holly long dale was so clearly excited to share with us all it's time

01:47:54.120 --> 01:48:03.400
to talk about something new. Maybe address some of the rumors out there. Because we know a lot of

01:48:03.400 --> 01:48:13.880
you love that nostalgic flavor of vanilla. So what if we take vanilla and really plus it up?

01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:18.680
Yeah, I got chills again dude. I got chills again.

01:48:19.680 --> 01:48:21.080
I've seen that like five times.

01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:34.480
Yeah, Viper 50 gifted selves on the on the

01:48:34.480 --> 01:48:36.380
re-announcement of the announcement of the announcement.

01:48:36.380 --> 01:48:37.980
Viper Legendary, thank you.

01:48:37.980 --> 01:48:47.420
Okay, we'll get to the blue elves in a moment, but honestly, this trailer...

01:48:47.420 --> 01:48:52.660
I'm curious what a G-Babe thinks, because he's such a nice, positive guy, but he's still

01:48:52.660 --> 01:48:54.740
like, okay, we'll talk about that.

01:48:54.740 --> 01:48:58.900
It was so dope, especially to see live.

01:48:58.900 --> 01:49:03.520
I'm still a new fan to WoW and Blizzard at large, so I don't have a lot of the negativity

01:49:03.520 --> 01:49:07.380
and frustration that so many others share from their history.

01:49:07.380 --> 01:49:13.120
So to me, sitting in that crowd watching this trailer of the dwarf hunter from the first

01:49:13.120 --> 01:49:18.800
ever trailer going off in a new direction, leading to the undead paladin reveal, the

01:49:18.800 --> 01:49:23.000
city of Dalaran open, we even had a gathering profession highlighted.

01:49:23.000 --> 01:49:25.840
It was actually so cool to see in person.

01:49:25.840 --> 01:49:30.160
I could only imagine that the chills that I felt watching, even getting teared up a

01:49:30.160 --> 01:49:34.840
little bit, I imagine that's the same series of feelings that all the other fans got to

01:49:34.840 --> 01:49:39.800
experience over the years with the original announcement trailers for the first ever expansions

01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:43.640
back in the day. Oddly enough, this trailer was maybe the least exciting part of it.

01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:51.880
Dude, I actually love like these like IRL footage, like like selfie cam style footage of BlizzCon.

01:49:53.000 --> 01:49:56.440
Part of it is because like I actually wasn't in the crowd this year. I was at an streaming

01:49:56.440 --> 01:50:00.360
station because I was live streaming it. Normally I'm in the crowd on opening ceremony,

01:50:00.360 --> 01:50:04.440
like actually watching it like this. So I get to like relive the crowd experience,

01:50:04.440 --> 01:50:10.200
which is quite magical if you've ever been there because the crowd just like erupts and roars or boos

01:50:12.440 --> 01:50:17.560
Diablo immortal um depending on what's announced so it's it's pretty cool

01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:23.400
it all in retrospect because most of us all but knew that classic plus was going to be announced

01:50:23.400 --> 01:50:27.880
what we didn't know were some of the details of how the game would look what would be different

01:50:27.880 --> 01:50:32.600
from all the other versions of wow and how blizzard we're approaching this project compared to all

01:50:32.600 --> 01:50:35.400
all the others. So the pan

01:50:35.440 --> 01:50:37.600
of blizzcon where they a

01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:41.080
the details and said all

01:50:41.100 --> 01:50:44.920
left me floored. So what

01:50:44.940 --> 01:50:48.920
forever. For us, it begin

01:50:48.940 --> 01:50:51.820
There are still adventures

01:50:51.860 --> 01:50:55.220
original world of Azaroff

01:50:55.260 --> 01:50:57.820
that were never fully exp

01:50:57.860 --> 01:51:00.960
were never fully told reg

01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.260
on the map, but never had the chance to become

01:51:03.260 --> 01:51:04.300
adventures of their own.

01:51:04.300 --> 01:51:05.580
I'm gonna pause this real quick

01:51:05.580 --> 01:51:07.700
because someone in the chat asked,

01:51:07.700 --> 01:51:10.660
I think a very misleading question,

01:51:10.660 --> 01:51:13.180
but a lot of people have been asking this.

01:51:14.140 --> 01:51:17.760
Someone says, why is Guzu acting shocked?

01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.800
Y'all literally got flown out to test the thing prior.

01:51:24.000 --> 01:51:25.260
I'm sure you're trolling.

01:51:25.260 --> 01:51:28.500
I hope you're trolling, but if you're not.

01:51:28.500 --> 01:51:31.060
Guys, we haven't seen the trailer.

01:51:31.060 --> 01:51:32.980
We didn't know the name.

01:51:32.980 --> 01:51:36.540
Seeing, even if we did see that already,

01:51:36.540 --> 01:51:38.820
and know the name, which we didn't,

01:51:38.820 --> 01:51:40.860
the fact that it's now being announced

01:51:40.860 --> 01:51:44.700
is an incredibly exciting thing to feel

01:51:44.700 --> 01:51:46.580
and be like emotional about.

01:51:46.580 --> 01:51:48.660
Why is Holly acting excited?

01:51:48.660 --> 01:51:51.900
Because she's announcing it to the rest of the world.

01:51:51.900 --> 01:51:54.020
Come on, guys, come on.

01:51:54.020 --> 01:51:57.940
And then, whoo, whoo.

01:51:57.940 --> 01:52:00.420
Don't know why that needs to be said.

01:52:00.420 --> 01:52:03.260
We're not planning around future level cap increases

01:52:03.260 --> 01:52:05.660
that invalidate your accomplishments.

01:52:05.660 --> 01:52:07.960
The professions you invest in matter,

01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:09.900
the routes you choose matter,

01:52:09.900 --> 01:52:12.420
and the gear you earn matters.

01:52:12.420 --> 01:52:15.460
The experiences that you have with friends matter.

01:52:15.460 --> 01:52:18.500
Our catch-up system is quite simple.

01:52:18.500 --> 01:52:19.940
Play the game.

01:52:19.940 --> 01:52:21.940
Yeah.

01:52:21.940 --> 01:52:23.940
True.

01:52:23.940 --> 01:52:25.940
Level up.

01:52:25.940 --> 01:52:27.940
Run dungeons.

01:52:27.940 --> 01:52:28.940
Make friends.

01:52:28.940 --> 01:52:29.940
Explore the world.

01:52:29.940 --> 01:52:31.940
Earn your rewards.

01:52:31.940 --> 01:52:33.940
I don't know what the reaction was on the internet

01:52:33.940 --> 01:52:35.940
with all the live streams that were watching the reveal,

01:52:35.940 --> 01:52:37.940
I'm sure, and the myriad of news articles

01:52:37.940 --> 01:52:39.940
that I bet were written,

01:52:39.940 --> 01:52:41.940
but I can say in the arena, it was

01:52:41.940 --> 01:52:43.940
electric because this is something that

01:52:43.940 --> 01:52:45.940
wow, fans have been asking for

01:52:45.940 --> 01:52:47.940
for a really long time,

01:52:47.940 --> 01:52:54.100
Not just a version of classic with new content added, but a version of World of Warcraft

01:52:54.100 --> 01:52:58.500
that promises not to invalidate all the work you put into a grind.

01:52:58.500 --> 01:53:03.220
Frankly, as somebody who's still a bit of an outsider to this game, this feels like the biggest

01:53:03.220 --> 01:53:08.580
flaw that has always plagued WoW. With the expansion model the Blizzard has adopted over the years,

01:53:08.580 --> 01:53:14.180
every time a new expansion drops, the level cap goes up, tons of new gear is added,

01:53:14.180 --> 01:53:20.420
and all the players are funneled into a new zone or island or something that just grows the map further.

01:53:20.420 --> 01:53:24.740
And while that would have been so cool for me as a kid, if I got to go to Outland or Northrend or

01:53:24.740 --> 01:53:29.300
Explore called Tarras for the first time, it also means that when a new expansion drops,

01:53:29.300 --> 01:53:34.420
the rest of the regular world is emptied out. Everybody has to leave to go do the new content.

01:53:34.420 --> 01:53:39.300
All the old grinds that people had put hundreds of hours into have been made irrelevant with the

01:53:39.300 --> 01:53:44.980
new bosses, new gear and new grinds they have to be instead. So it was well worth the hype and

01:53:44.980 --> 01:53:50.420
the trip to go out and hear in person that Blizzard are making a version of World of Warcraft

01:53:50.420 --> 01:53:56.420
that prioritizes horizontal progression, not increasing the level cap and doing so much

01:53:56.420 --> 01:54:01.140
because they listened to their community who was asking for it. If you are someone who found your

01:54:01.140 --> 01:54:05.380
way to this video and you've either never played WoW or you quit years ago and are only hearing

01:54:05.380 --> 01:54:10.180
about all this hype of people freaking out about WoW forever and wondering what it's all about.

01:54:10.180 --> 01:54:14.420
That's the reason. That's the main reason that this is such an exciting time for anybody who likes

01:54:14.420 --> 01:54:19.140
this MMO. It feels like Blizzard is not only listening to their community, but they are having

01:54:19.140 --> 01:54:24.420
a bit of a return to form of their glory years with a darker tone that all their games seem to be

01:54:24.420 --> 01:54:28.260
taking. But let's not get carried away here. I don't want to lie and pretend like everything is

01:54:28.260 --> 01:54:34.340
perfect. There is still some stuff that we could and should be criticizing. For example, I personally

01:54:34.340 --> 01:54:39.620
hate the name wow forever that sounds so anime and i mean that in the most erogatron

01:54:39.620 --> 01:54:45.300
i think that's a complete fair criticism at the end of the day it's just a name and whatever

01:54:45.300 --> 01:54:50.820
but i i agree when i heard a wow i was curious i was like what are they gonna call it like i don't

01:54:50.820 --> 01:55:00.740
know and uh when they announced wow forever i was like oh okay uh you know pretty way possible i also

01:55:00.740 --> 01:55:05.220
feel kind of sad that for all the new content that they announced that is coming to WoW forever,

01:55:05.220 --> 01:55:10.500
it sounds like there are so many dungeons and raids and all sorts of PvE experience,

01:55:10.500 --> 01:55:14.340
but where's the PvP? There's only one new battleground? I mean come on Blizzard, you should

01:55:14.340 --> 01:55:20.260
add an equal amount of PvE and PvP content for players, but more than anything there's also

01:55:20.260 --> 01:55:25.460
one very big blue fly in the suit. By far the most contentious part of this reveal is the

01:55:25.460 --> 01:55:31.940
Skyborne, a new neutral race being added to Azeroth that people already have conflicting feelings over,

01:55:31.940 --> 01:55:36.660
to put it mildly, since most of the calls for a classic plus a version of the game have come

01:55:36.660 --> 01:55:42.100
from the classic community, many are pretty worried about how retail this new race feels,

01:55:42.100 --> 01:55:47.300
both in their looks as well as their whole starting zone. I've heard that they not only feel a bit

01:55:47.300 --> 01:55:53.220
more bouncy and a bit more like a retail character, but I'm glad Gbay's talking about this because it

01:55:53.220 --> 01:55:55.980
It gives Ethan more credit to the conversation

01:55:55.980 --> 01:55:57.500
because there's some people out there

01:55:57.500 --> 01:56:00.180
as we discovered yesterday that are like,

01:56:00.180 --> 01:56:02.340
dude, stop complaining,

01:56:02.340 --> 01:56:04.580
which brings me to like another tangent,

01:56:04.580 --> 01:56:05.940
which maybe we'll get to in a second.

01:56:05.940 --> 01:56:09.580
But I think there is place for valid criticism.

01:56:09.580 --> 01:56:11.940
And the reason I say it's cool that Jeebae is bringing it up

01:56:11.940 --> 01:56:14.460
is Jeebae is such a positive guy.

01:56:14.460 --> 01:56:17.100
He's not ever the guy to complain, to complain.

01:56:17.100 --> 01:56:18.700
I would like to think,

01:56:19.580 --> 01:56:23.660
I would like to think that I try my best

01:56:23.660 --> 01:56:25.660
to put that same foot forward,

01:56:25.660 --> 01:56:27.220
where I don't just complain to complain,

01:56:27.220 --> 01:56:29.540
I like to be positive, but yes,

01:56:29.540 --> 01:56:32.040
if there's something that needs to be said,

01:56:32.040 --> 01:56:33.300
I wanna say it as well,

01:56:33.300 --> 01:56:36.500
and that's why I've been pretty vocal about this one, right?

01:56:36.500 --> 01:56:40.320
It's just needs to, so there it is.

01:56:42.340 --> 01:56:44.980
The side note tangent I was gonna talk about

01:56:44.980 --> 01:56:49.140
is it feels like I've noticed a trend.

01:56:49.140 --> 01:56:53.180
And the trend being it's not okay to complain

01:56:53.180 --> 01:56:55.000
when there's something new.

01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:57.940
It's not okay to critique when there's something new.

01:56:57.940 --> 01:57:01.380
For example, every time there's a new retail expansion

01:57:01.380 --> 01:57:06.180
that comes out and there's good things and bad things,

01:57:06.180 --> 01:57:08.980
whenever you come out and say, I like this,

01:57:08.980 --> 01:57:10.780
but I dislike that, people say,

01:57:10.780 --> 01:57:12.780
no, your dislikes are not valid.

01:57:12.780 --> 01:57:15.480
You can't hate on this, it's too new.

01:57:15.480 --> 01:57:17.720
And it's just this kind of weird mindset of like,

01:57:17.720 --> 01:57:20.520
wait, you can definitely give a positive

01:57:20.520 --> 01:57:22.400
and negative critique to something.

01:57:22.400 --> 01:57:24.000
Like you can give a critique to something

01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:25.000
even though it's new.

01:57:25.000 --> 01:57:27.000
Like, it's just such a weird mindset.

01:57:27.000 --> 01:57:29.560
Anyway, I think that same thing's happening with this.

01:57:29.560 --> 01:57:31.160
And it's not a new concept.

01:57:31.160 --> 01:57:32.740
It's happened for the last 20 years,

01:57:32.740 --> 01:57:34.800
every two years on a new expansion.

01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:36.280
But it's happening in forever where like,

01:57:36.280 --> 01:57:38.760
if you give a critique, all of a sudden you're shunned

01:57:38.760 --> 01:57:41.520
because, oh, you can't critique something.

01:57:41.520 --> 01:57:42.360
It's like, what?

01:57:42.360 --> 01:57:43.200
I don't know.

01:57:43.200 --> 01:57:45.480
So anyway, I appreciate G-Bake critiquing.

01:57:45.480 --> 01:57:47.320
Of course, there's a lot of good things.

01:57:47.320 --> 01:57:50.400
I think the critiques do need to be pulled out

01:57:50.400 --> 01:57:52.960
in a positive and constructive manner.

01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:56.080
Because if not, who else is going to say something?

01:57:56.080 --> 01:57:57.240
Right?

01:57:57.240 --> 01:57:57.680
Right?

01:57:57.680 --> 01:57:59.600
It needs to be said.

01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:00.600
It needs to be said.

01:58:00.600 --> 01:58:03.440
So anyway, to those people that don't get that,

01:58:03.440 --> 01:58:05.800
maybe that makes a bit more sense.

01:58:05.800 --> 01:58:07.760
There are quests in their starting zone

01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:09.520
that people have seen in the beta so far,

01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:12.620
kind of involves some retail-esque narratives,

01:58:12.620 --> 01:58:15.240
telling players to go and destroy a world-ending boss,

01:58:15.240 --> 01:58:17.320
or some grand storytelling like that,

01:58:17.320 --> 01:58:19.840
compared to the more small and grounded narratives

01:58:19.840 --> 01:58:21.280
that Classic is known for.

01:58:21.280 --> 01:58:22.840
There's also quite a few players who say

01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:25.000
that if Blizzard were gonna add a new race to WoW,

01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:26.120
they should have added a race

01:58:26.120 --> 01:58:30.280
that either already existed in vanilla or the RTS games,

01:58:30.280 --> 01:58:32.960
like Goblins, Ogres, or High Elves.

01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:35.240
The Skyborne are a completely new invention.

01:58:35.240 --> 01:58:38.000
They have no previous connection or story threads

01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.320
that have ever been mentioned before this game.

01:58:40.320 --> 01:58:42.680
In fact, they may be the very first piece

01:58:42.680 --> 01:58:45.440
of original content that players experience

01:58:45.440 --> 01:58:47.120
when they log into this game

01:58:47.120 --> 01:58:49.040
and create a character for the first time

01:58:49.040 --> 01:58:51.640
on November 4th when WoW Forever releases.

01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:54.560
I think that is why they are under a lot of scrutiny

01:58:54.560 --> 01:58:57.480
on the internet, but I have what I think is an-

01:58:57.480 --> 01:58:59.200
I've always said Sony Tweet, the Skyborne

01:58:59.200 --> 01:59:00.320
are maybe not the best addition

01:59:00.320 --> 01:59:01.840
at the start of Classic Plus.

01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:02.800
There'd be no better way to show

01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:04.080
the World of Warcraft Forever community

01:59:04.080 --> 01:59:05.840
that you guys are truly listening and willing to adapt

01:59:05.840 --> 01:59:08.440
and then by putting it up to a community poll, thoughts.

01:59:08.440 --> 01:59:12.000
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I might be too late for that,

01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:13.680
but yeah, totally feel that.

01:59:13.680 --> 01:59:16.460
Hi there, under a lot of scrutiny on the internet,

01:59:16.460 --> 01:59:20.080
but I have what I think is an interesting take on them,

01:59:20.080 --> 01:59:23.240
especially after my experience going to BlizzCon,

01:59:23.240 --> 01:59:25.840
playing the demo, and this is kind of why

01:59:25.840 --> 01:59:27.400
I wanted to make this entire video.

01:59:27.400 --> 01:59:29.520
On their initial reveal at the end of the trailer,

01:59:29.520 --> 01:59:32.680
I and most others in the crowd were fairly confused,

01:59:32.680 --> 01:59:34.560
and you could tell that Blizzard knew

01:59:34.560 --> 01:59:38.520
exactly how we would all react because they were quick to direct us to the

01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:42.500
various panels that would explain the lore purpose and reason for the

01:59:42.500 --> 01:59:46.320
inclusion of the Skyborne in the vanilla world. I would just like to call out

01:59:46.320 --> 01:59:51.440
this is our first of four WoW Forever panels today. If you're looking to hear

01:59:51.440 --> 01:59:56.760
more about WoW Forever lore, things like our Skyborne elves and how they fit

01:59:56.760 --> 02:00:02.040
into classic vanilla lore, I urge you to make it to the deep dive panel on this

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very stage this afternoon.

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panel they had called foun

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to how they're approachin

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content that they're addin

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a lot to answer many quest

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laid out how blizzard are

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on three design pillars w

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of the new content that th

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They're trying to add ant

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have been asking for. Th

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faces that existed but wer

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in previous games, and only sparingly,

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they would take some big swings

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to add some completely unexpected new content

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like the Skyborne.

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Now, the Skyborne, even though they are pretty new,

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are a fairly fleshed out race that is connected

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to the existing vanilla world and lore

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in a, I would say, solid way.

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Apparently, there were some Highborne elves

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in an ancient kingdom known as Eldrithalos,

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who were forced to flee westward from Prince Tortheldrin

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after a failed rebellion,

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where they found some wind spirits

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to agree to aid them in their escape,

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raising some islands into the elemental plane

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where they have been hiding ever since.

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I'm still pretty new to the Warcraft lore,

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so I might be getting some of this wrong,

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but from what I heard, both at BlizzCon

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and from other lore nerds,

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there isn't anything necessarily wrong here.

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Like this story all works pretty well

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in the existing lore and history of Azeroth

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without retconning anything.

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Yeah, so like theory-wise,

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we watched theory-wise's video yesterday,

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and I think he encapsulated how a lot of people were feeling.

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It's like, yeah, you're allowed to make stuff up.

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The whole wow lore is made up.

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This is not retconning anything

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because it's not part of the original

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Warcraft 3 storyline.

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It's its own new unique story, like fine.

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It's more about that it feels like it's a copy paste

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retail or it's more about the visual and the look less about the story. Like the lower I think for

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a lot of people are like, oh, okay. You know, that kind of, yeah, sure. Okay, that kind of works.

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But it just doesn't look like they've been, you know, taken from a classic world. I think that

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is more the issue. That's the case. I can already get behind the idea of the Skyborne pretty well.

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And then when I heard that Chris Metzen was involved in fleshing out their story and history.

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And that he even drew a map of their starting zone, which just looks like it could have been plucked right out of the Warcraft team manual

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That had me breathing a big cyber. I think though this I will I will give this critique

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There is time to add in new stories because if you just

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If you just do the old stories you'll run out you have to add new stories at some point you have to

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This might not have been that time.

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For the first new race, for the first grand reveal,

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it was probably a smarter choice to go with something safer,

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go with something that had pre-established lore,

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like a true high elf or an ogre,

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even though I don't like ogres,

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but it would still, you know,

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something that was with pre-established lore this time,

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and then saving, adding in more new stories,

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because you have to at some point,

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like this is fine for the second new race

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or whatever down the line.

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But for the first one, it was pretty jarring, I think.

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Leaf.

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Not only that, it kind of sounds like the Skyborne

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were entirely Chris's idea.

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You know, it all kind of started

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with a lot of questions with Chris Metzen.

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You know, we were talking about Wow Forever early on

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and we knew we wanted to add some sort of elves.

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Everyone on the team is a big fan of elves.

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We all love elves.

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They're very popular.

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I like elves.

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And we know who knew, right?

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And we knew we want to do something.

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And we came to him with a bunch of ideas and pitches

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and different types of variants of elves.

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And in midnight, we just went to quelf a loss

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and did that whole thing.

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And so I think we always kind of knew,

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like, Metson was really like, yeah, we should do something.

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We should get a little crazy with it, right?

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I may be misreading this, but that interview specifically

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makes it sound like the team was considering adding

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either blood elves or high elves to Warcraft Forever.

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But Chris encouraged them to go

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in an even more original direction,

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which is a really interesting tank, if true,

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because I don't know if this guy-

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I think that is generally true.

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I think I was listening to that interview, another one.

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I think people have kind of pieced together.

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That was kind of the general idea is that

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it was like you could do a high elf,

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but I, or you could do something brand new

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and kind of shock everyone.

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I think the literal like the models being HD only

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and then the blue skin paired with that art assets,

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I think is more of the issue than the novelty though.

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Or they're gonna work or not,

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like maybe they'll fit into the world perfectly

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or maybe they're gonna end up being too retail

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and I'm just gonna try to PK anyone I see

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on a PVP server and no questions asked.

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But regardless, I actually think that the attempt

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at a new original race like this

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is exactly what a game like WoW Forever needs.

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As many of you guys already know,

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I came to WoW after playing RuneScape off and on

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ever since 2006. And as someone who has been playing that MMO for ages, including through

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its own series of classic servers that were released, the one thing that title taught

02:05:27.360 --> 02:05:33.080
me over the years was that you have to add truly new stuff eventually to keep a classic

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style MMO alive.

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Yep, that's true.

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Oh, I completely agree, because a lot of people say, oh, there should be Rath servers

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forever or TBC servers forever and like what I generally say is despite RAF being incredible

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and TBC being incredible you just look at the player numbers right this is this was the last

02:05:56.560 --> 02:06:06.800
time TBC came out sorry RAF 623,000 weekly radars at the start and by the end of RAF 50,000 right

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if you never add new content to RAF this 50,000 just keeps going down until it's almost zero

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There will be, you know, people that play forever, but if you don't have new content, the game dies.

02:06:16.800 --> 02:06:19.360
Look, like this is Starterath and Arath.

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Startercata and Akata.

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Startermop and Amop.

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This is Startertvc.

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That there is like pre-patch stuff, but you know, End of TBC is still like half.

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TBC actually surprisingly a little flatter than the rest.

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But still, the point is no new content game dies, right?

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Runescape, same thing.

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Game died, with old school runescape, add in new content, back up, right?

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So anyway, that's why Forever makes sense to do, Classic Plus.

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But yeah, I hear this argument time and time again.

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Like, oh, let's just put Wrath out was and never do anything.

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It's like, okay, well, you can't really do that.

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I mean, you can, but it's not going to be crazy successful when you look at the numbers, right?

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Similar history to Classic WoW in that it started as servers that were

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identical to an earlier version of the game from its golden era.

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but when the player base shrunk because players actually wanted genuinely new content that they

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hadn't seen before and they were kind of tired of running through the exact same experience over

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and over, Jagex was forced to suggest and eventually add quite a lot of stuff that never was even

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referenced in the original game's world story or lore. We got a whole new skill that was just a meme

02:07:29.600 --> 02:07:35.600
from 2010. We got new bosses that nobody from 2007 would ever be able to beat. We got new

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continents with their own storylines, histories, and lore that had zero connection whatsoever

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to the original established world.

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And there's been quite a bit of debate ever since these things were added about whether

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or not this stuff belongs in old school, or if any of it feels out of place for the tone

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of the rest of the game.

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I myself refused to set foot on greater current for like two years after that expansion launched

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because I felt like it didn't fit with the original world.

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I was very much a traditionalist, no changes type of person, but as time has gone on and

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I and many others eventually started going through the new content, I came to love a

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lot of what was introduced, as most players have.

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In fact, a ton of this content has turned into some of the most celebrated and favorite

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content for many in the entire game.

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And games like Raids and Zuck and even the Collection Log have done such a good job of

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providing new goals to grind for without invalidating previous grinds for players.

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And I think a lot of these additions are the things that kept players coming back,

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that keep them playing the game, because if Jagex only ever tried to remix old existing

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content, stuff that had already existed and been backported into the game,

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I don't know if the game would be as healthy with its player base as it is today.

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And you can probably see where I'm going with this.

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Through that lens, I don't hate the Skyborne at all. And in fact, I kind of think that they're exciting because, sure, Blizzard could have added high elves instead or goblins or ogres or murlocs, something from the original RTS titles and vanilla.

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But that's a well you can only draw on for so long.

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That's right. That is true.

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If this dream is going to live up to its name and last literally forever, it can't just add missing zones and content that people were already asking for.

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A lot of that will be nice and well-received and it may kick off a lot of hype for one, two, five, ten years.

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But eventually, you're gonna run out of existing things.

02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:33.960
So like, that is true, right? We've already touched on that. That is so true.

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Personally, I think saving...

02:09:35.880 --> 02:09:39.480
Saving something like this until a little bit later.

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But I think once again, the biggest issue is just how it looks. Literally just the art.

02:09:44.840 --> 02:09:49.240
Um, but it's true. You... Like for people that are like, you can't make up lore.

02:09:49.240 --> 02:09:53.880
it's like how do you think all lore is made up bro you know like it's literal

02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:59.400
it's you do right at some point you do right that's in drew this stuff like

02:09:59.400 --> 02:10:02.920
you that that is literally how it works you have to at some point so it's it's

02:10:02.920 --> 02:10:07.600
true you're gonna have to add something new and I think and kind of hope that's

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why Chris pushed the team to go in such a completely fresh direction to add

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something that never existed before because you're gonna have to take that

02:10:15.400 --> 02:10:18.840
leap sooner or later and you might as well get it out of the way now I mean

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Could you imagine the reaction if the Skyborne were the first thing that Blizzard added but it wasn't until five years from now?

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People would be losing their minds and saying, oh god forever is turning into retail. Just to reiterate

02:10:30.860 --> 02:10:35.360
I don't know if it's gonna work well or not. Like maybe the Skyborne really are a mistake

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and they're gonna be an eyesore on an otherwise great game

02:10:38.380 --> 02:10:42.700
but I'm personally pretty glad to see that there's already been an attempt to

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spin some fresh content out of the old world that this game's meant to be built on.

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And there's also so much new content. They're already adding from the original vanilla and RTS games like they're adding sunny glade

02:10:55.480 --> 02:11:01.720
I can't wait to see sunny glade in World of Warcraft. I am so glad I went back and played through that mission in orcs and humans

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Although I'm gonna be honest, you know

02:11:03.680 --> 02:11:08.400
I might be giving the devs a little bit too much grace here just because they were all so

02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:11.880
Unbelievably cool when I got to meet them at blizzcon like okay

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So when I went to blizzcon on day one and I was waiting around my seat for the main event to start

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I got the chance to meet a ton of the classic team devs who all came up to say hi to me beforehand

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Because it turned out so many of them watch my videos

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And that's sick my series going through classic era. Wow around their office every time I drop a new episode

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Which is so flattering that already floored me

02:11:36.520 --> 02:11:42.680
But then almost every one of the devs who told me they watched my videos those were the guys who went up

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We're on stage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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We're forever on stage. My job was on the floor.

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I had no idea such important people were paying attention to everything I was doing on my YouTube channel.

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I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense in hindsight.

02:11:56.320 --> 02:11:59.260
These guys live and breathe classic WoW.

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It's real.

02:11:59.760 --> 02:12:03.060
Some of these dudes have been working at Blizzard for over 20 years,

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ever since the start of WoW's first release.

02:12:05.560 --> 02:12:10.760
And they've been spending every waking moment of their lives discussing and debating and figuring out

02:12:10.760 --> 02:12:16.600
not only what makes a great classic MMO experience, but how to recreate those experiences for new

02:12:16.600 --> 02:12:22.360
generations of players and everything I saw from the demo and what others have since shared from

02:12:22.360 --> 02:12:27.960
the beta sounds like they have already succeeded on such a great level, recreating the magic of

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the visuals, the social elements with the camping, adding new content and reworking items to make a

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fresh unsolved game. That's not to say that I think this game is going to be flawless. I mean,

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I wouldn't be surprised if Blizzard's executive suite still thinks that WoW Forever is just a weird

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offshoot of the main version of their massively profitable game and don't give them nearly as

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much resources as they probably should, but I think this is the most exciting version of the

02:12:52.360 --> 02:12:56.760
Warcraft right now. I think it has the most potential and whether you have been playing WoW for

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decades or you're a completely new player like me, it is the version I think everyone should try

02:13:01.320 --> 02:13:06.360
when it releases on November 4th. The beta is already out and I'm trying not to play it myself

02:13:06.360 --> 02:13:11.100
So I can go in blind on launch. I'll definitely make a series out of my stories and whatever

02:13:11.100 --> 02:13:15.680
experiences I have in the new game. Probably lots of series in the back, so let me know

02:13:15.680 --> 02:13:18.800
what you guys want to see most. Should I go through? Should I talk through? Even though

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the Alliance are the superior faction and if I do, should I do an undead or should I

02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:27.880
go and play one of the races on Kalimdor and what class? I don't have a lot of time to

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think about it because oh my god, I have to hit 60 in era and run at least one raid before

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It's launch my main series me. I was thinking about that so Gbay is like level what 40 something on era

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this launches in

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November 4th

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Is he gonna be able to hit 60 finish up his series and like hit a raid in the next?

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I mean he could I mean if he's no life said he could it's gonna be a lot

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It's gonna be close if you know, and he's gonna have to go crazy

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We'll see we'll see it's get wrapped up a lot faster than I thought that's a mention

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I also have to play through that new Warcraft 3 campaign

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I can't wait, but I am so excited on that note

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I'm gonna get back to work on my next video now

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Feel free to leave all the feedback that you guys have for me in the comments down below work on my next video means you too

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Bro, you got to play like 18 hours of wow per day Gbay. I we have a lock in a dial

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Oh, and I will make sure that I read all of it because oh gosh, I'm really excited. There's so much to do

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I'm so excited for all of it. Whenever it is that I end up seeing you next though

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Thank you very much for watching this video and until next time. Good luck in solo queue and have a wonderful day

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Bro, I love it. I love it. I like the balance between positivity and critique here

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I think there is room to critique especially with some of the sky born stuff

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But overall I think he makes a really good point on old-school RuneScape you add new stuff

02:14:54.540 --> 02:15:01.580
And it's jarring at first and then over time people come to really like it. I think I was talking to

02:15:02.460 --> 02:15:06.940
Josh Greenfield during the podcast and he said that I

02:15:07.580 --> 02:15:11.480
Don't know if this was in the podcaster on the pre-show. I can't remember might have been on pre-show

02:15:11.540 --> 02:15:17.240
but he said that back in the day he played TBC so like in 2006 or whatever and

02:15:18.540 --> 02:15:21.020
He was one of the players that hated drawn. I

02:15:21.020 --> 02:15:24.980
He was like, this doesn't belong, he hated it.

02:15:24.980 --> 02:15:26.940
He refused to make a Tronai.

02:15:26.940 --> 02:15:28.580
And then like, it wasn't until like years later,

02:15:28.580 --> 02:15:30.560
he's like, oh, okay, yeah, Tronai's are pretty cool.

02:15:30.560 --> 02:15:32.940
So it took him like, it was kind of that same experience

02:15:32.940 --> 02:15:35.100
that Shiba talked about with old school,

02:15:35.100 --> 02:15:37.340
with Moons, I think the Moons content,

02:15:37.340 --> 02:15:39.540
where it's like, this doesn't really fit.

02:15:39.540 --> 02:15:41.020
And then it's like, oh, years later,

02:15:41.020 --> 02:15:42.740
it's like, okay, yeah, it kind of does.

02:15:43.700 --> 02:15:46.020
I don't know if I feel the same way about Skyborne,

02:15:46.020 --> 02:15:47.300
but I'm saying that early on,

02:15:47.300 --> 02:15:49.180
maybe I will down the road.

02:15:49.180 --> 02:15:53.180
But I think with Skyborne, it's really just an art thing, you know?

02:15:59.700 --> 02:16:00.540
Okay.

02:16:02.220 --> 02:16:03.180
Space Goats, yeah.

02:16:03.180 --> 02:16:04.740
Do you guys remember when TVC came out?

02:16:04.740 --> 02:16:06.860
Everyone's calling them Space Goats, yeah.

02:16:06.860 --> 02:16:08.660
I mean, people still say that, I guess.

02:16:13.340 --> 02:16:14.700
I still hate the drone eye.

02:16:14.700 --> 02:16:15.700
Ha ha.

02:16:17.460 --> 02:16:19.980
I was able, I was googling drawn eye.

02:16:20.020 --> 02:16:23.180
What do you guys say? Drainy, dra- dra- draini?

02:16:23.660 --> 02:16:24.660
OK, draini.

02:16:26.460 --> 02:16:28.380
That sounds weird. Draini.

02:16:31.060 --> 02:16:32.660
Draini. Whatever.

02:16:37.660 --> 02:16:38.660
Whatever.

02:16:42.340 --> 02:16:44.340
I have to go to the restroom.

02:16:44.700 --> 02:16:48.620
Um, okay, I want to check out River Glades.

02:16:48.620 --> 02:16:49.540
I'm going to go to the restroom first.

02:16:49.540 --> 02:16:50.700
I'm just going to log in and sit there.

02:16:51.420 --> 02:16:53.540
We got a $5 donut from blukes.

02:16:53.540 --> 02:16:55.020
He says, you crushed the podcast.

02:16:55.020 --> 02:16:56.420
I started following you with the forever stuff.

02:16:56.420 --> 02:16:57.380
It's going to blast off.

02:16:57.380 --> 02:16:57.540
Yeah.

02:16:57.540 --> 02:17:00.500
Thanks for the follow man that you enjoyed the, uh, the podcast.

02:17:00.980 --> 02:17:01.540
It's sad.

02:17:01.540 --> 02:17:02.580
Thanks for the prime zeal.

02:17:02.580 --> 02:17:03.260
Thanks for the prime.

02:17:05.300 --> 02:17:06.700
I hate it with sky health.

02:17:06.700 --> 02:17:08.180
You don't know if it's order ally.

02:17:08.940 --> 02:17:12.020
I mean, you kind of do based on the, the class, but yeah, I see what you're saying.

02:17:12.020 --> 02:17:13.820
It's not like it doesn't immediately jump out on you.

02:17:13.820 --> 02:17:16.620
like an Orc wood or something.

02:17:18.060 --> 02:17:19.500
Okay, I'm gonna go to the restaurant,

02:17:19.500 --> 02:17:20.700
we'll be right back, and then we're gonna check out

02:17:20.700 --> 02:17:23.020
that new zone, cause I literally haven't seen it yet.

02:17:23.020 --> 02:17:25.300
And then I think we'll hit a little PVP,

02:17:25.300 --> 02:17:29.140
and then I think it might be time for an alt boys.

02:17:29.140 --> 02:17:30.500
All right, I'll be right back.

02:20:43.820 --> 02:20:55.980
Okay, we're back. We're back. We're back. I want to go check out the River Glades because

02:20:55.980 --> 02:21:03.500
I still somehow have not seen this. Let's fly over. Yo, thanks for staying high at BlizzCon.

02:21:03.500 --> 02:21:09.420
Thanks for the prime. What did I miss? I mean, you missed forever, man. You missed a lot of

02:21:09.420 --> 02:21:16.580
we are playing a mage we are playing an alt soon we're exploring we're

02:21:16.580 --> 02:21:21.260
questing we're grinding we're gaming

02:21:21.260 --> 02:21:25.020
one year of this crazy journey with Zahar, cheers to many more

02:21:25.020 --> 02:21:28.820
Korra thanks for the T1 oh after level first aid too

02:21:28.820 --> 02:21:35.020
when's the first alt later today I think Zahar catching strays what's this

02:21:35.020 --> 02:21:37.740
Even PS4 role did re-roll.

02:21:37.740 --> 02:21:40.340
Me, I didn't re-roll because I'm having so much fun.

02:21:40.340 --> 02:21:42.140
I'm having fun with my character.

02:21:42.140 --> 02:21:43.140
You?

02:21:43.140 --> 02:21:44.140
Nah.

02:21:44.140 --> 02:21:45.640
So the pup here is ruling on the other side.

02:21:45.640 --> 02:21:47.140
I'm really the only one.

02:21:47.140 --> 02:21:48.140
No.

02:21:48.140 --> 02:21:49.140
So the dog is ruling on the other side.

02:21:49.140 --> 02:21:51.140
I'm the only one.

02:21:51.140 --> 02:21:53.140
Oh, maybe Pilav.

02:21:53.140 --> 02:21:54.140
Oh, Xaru.

02:21:54.140 --> 02:21:55.140
Sorry, Xaru.

02:21:55.140 --> 02:21:59.460
Yeah, but the reason Xaru didn't re-roll is because he don't play the fucking game.

02:21:59.460 --> 02:22:02.900
He react, hey guys, what's up Xaru here then today.

02:22:02.900 --> 02:22:03.900
So that doesn't fucking count.

02:22:03.900 --> 02:22:04.900
Okay?

02:22:04.900 --> 02:22:06.900
people that actually played the fucking game.

02:22:06.900 --> 02:22:08.180
Aspen did reroll too.

02:22:08.180 --> 02:22:09.300
Peagod did reroll.

02:22:09.300 --> 02:22:11.460
Everyone fucking reroll.

02:22:11.460 --> 02:22:12.460
Sounds good.

02:22:12.460 --> 02:22:15.700
I am the only one that didn't fucking reroll.

02:22:15.700 --> 02:22:16.860
You get what I mean?

02:22:16.860 --> 02:22:22.700
I like how I'm a casual because I only play eight hours a day

02:22:22.700 --> 02:22:25.540
and I don't play on the weekends.

02:22:25.540 --> 02:22:26.620
Does that make me a casual?

02:22:26.620 --> 02:22:28.700
Like maybe he's right.

02:22:28.700 --> 02:22:30.780
Maybe I am a casual.

02:22:30.780 --> 02:22:32.380
I mean, maybe that's actually true.

02:22:34.900 --> 02:22:37.960
I guess I, after RE-AX, like how long, two,

02:22:37.960 --> 02:22:39.940
yeah, I guess I really play more like five hours a day

02:22:39.940 --> 02:22:42.580
after RE-AX and no weekends, so it's like,

02:22:44.740 --> 02:22:46.080
guess I'm a casual, guys.

02:22:46.080 --> 02:22:47.540
I'm a casual, there we go.

02:22:49.680 --> 02:22:50.720
Casual, casual.

02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:55.520
There it is.

02:22:59.440 --> 02:23:01.300
Yeah, yesterday we spent four and a half hours

02:23:01.300 --> 02:23:03.680
finding books in the game, but that was worth it, guys.

02:23:03.680 --> 02:23:05.080
Trust me, very worth it.

02:23:14.400 --> 02:23:17.460
Do you think they'll dial back the current Skyborne forms?

02:23:17.460 --> 02:23:18.760
I hope so, man.

02:23:18.760 --> 02:23:19.760
We'll see though.

02:23:19.760 --> 02:23:20.680
I don't know.

02:23:23.400 --> 02:23:25.400
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:23:28.920 --> 02:23:30.480
Is there any update as tournament

02:23:30.480 --> 02:23:33.000
still on the Horde PvP rule set?

02:23:33.000 --> 02:23:36.240
No updates, yeah, I'll let you guys know if I know anything.

02:23:36.240 --> 02:23:40.200
Sounds like we're going to continue considering things.

02:23:40.200 --> 02:23:41.280
Did they add the classic UI?

02:23:41.280 --> 02:23:42.200
No, I'm using an add-on.

02:23:48.400 --> 02:23:51.160
Well, let's not forget who has the most rank ones.

02:23:51.160 --> 02:23:54.440
I'm just saying, yeah, there it is.

02:23:54.440 --> 02:23:55.640
May in the game looks gorgeous.

02:23:55.640 --> 02:23:56.120
Sorry, guys.

02:23:56.120 --> 02:23:58.120
Got a glaze.

02:23:58.120 --> 02:23:59.920
Is that staff, Aptiesh?

02:23:59.920 --> 02:24:01.880
No, it's Emberstone staff.

02:24:03.000 --> 02:24:13.400
Snuts, second time win. Snuts hasn't been playing forever. The only time Snuts won't win a tournament

02:24:13.400 --> 02:24:20.400
is when he's not playing. Is that crazy? Oh yeah, I was going to make a belt too. Okay,

02:24:20.400 --> 02:24:23.180
so I'm going to check out Riverglades and then I was going to craft a new belt and then

02:24:23.180 --> 02:24:31.520
I was also going to level up my first aid. Belt, first aid, Riverglades. We'll do Riverglades,

02:24:31.520 --> 02:24:37.920
first aid and then we'll do some tools and PvP and then maybe do an alt.

02:24:45.440 --> 02:24:50.320
Definitely not alt today guys, we're definitely doing an alt guys, don't worry.

02:24:50.320 --> 02:25:02.740
Um, wait a minute.

02:25:02.740 --> 02:25:03.980
I went the wrong way.

02:25:03.980 --> 02:25:05.580
I went the wrong way.

02:25:05.580 --> 02:25:08.340
What the heck?

02:25:08.340 --> 02:25:19.500
Holy crap, I'm strong.

02:25:19.500 --> 02:25:21.500
Oh, the One Fix feels like it's in already.

02:25:24.700 --> 02:25:27.200
Silver Lane Sword crying for phase two.

02:25:29.700 --> 02:25:31.700
I mean, I could get it now.

02:25:34.600 --> 02:25:36.600
I'll think about it. I kind of want to do an alt.

02:25:36.600 --> 02:25:39.100
That might take, like, all day again. We'll see.

02:25:41.700 --> 02:25:44.200
What's the One Fix? It takes, like, longer to wind up now.

02:25:49.500 --> 02:25:58.980
This was not the way to go.

02:25:58.980 --> 02:26:04.380
This was not the way to go.

02:26:04.380 --> 02:26:05.380
That guy just died.

02:26:05.380 --> 02:26:06.860
I have aggroed all that now!

02:26:06.860 --> 02:26:08.860
What a griefer!

02:26:08.860 --> 02:26:15.980
Okay, now we're chillin'.

02:26:15.980 --> 02:26:16.980
Horde at launch?

02:26:16.980 --> 02:26:22.800
ally at launch since since I'm doing ally at launch I was actually gonna play

02:26:22.800 --> 02:26:27.600
horde for the beta but then soda poppin convinced me to play ally and then soda

02:26:27.600 --> 02:26:34.400
poppin left for horde but that's okay just a beta

02:26:34.400 --> 02:26:54.800
I like undead mages. I like human mages. I would play a undead mage, human mage, no mage.

02:26:54.800 --> 02:27:04.800
It's not going to play the wharf.

02:27:04.800 --> 02:27:15.280
What the heck?

02:27:15.280 --> 02:27:22.800
So many rogues.

02:27:22.800 --> 02:27:24.240
When does the Samurai come back?

02:27:24.240 --> 02:27:26.360
I was making a warrior soon here.

02:27:26.360 --> 02:27:28.720
Actually, I might do a Polly, I don't know yet.

02:27:42.720 --> 02:27:46.160
Oh, they added an Absorb Shield on the plate.

02:27:46.160 --> 02:27:48.000
That's kind of nice.

02:27:48.000 --> 02:27:49.160
Are you new Hardcore when it comes out?

02:27:49.160 --> 02:27:50.240
Oh, heck yeah, guys.

02:27:52.800 --> 02:28:04.800
Arcane Major Idea, bring back Arcane Blast stacking on its own damage and mana cost, add a new slice and dice style ability called Arcane Flow that consumes stacks for a temporary damage buff to Arcane spells. I like it. Yeah, I actually like that.

02:28:04.800 --> 02:28:13.800
I think Arcane Blast does need to be reverted, no matter what, to like stacking on itself, because if it doesn't stack on itself, it becomes really one dimensional.

02:28:14.800 --> 02:28:16.800
Completely agree.

02:28:22.800 --> 02:28:32.580
Okay, so normally this is how you get to Burning Steps, but up here is the River Glades.

02:28:32.580 --> 02:28:37.260
So you take a right, normally I think this path goes to nowhere, it's just like a mountain

02:28:37.260 --> 02:28:40.660
or something.

02:28:40.660 --> 02:28:45.860
But now it does.

02:28:45.860 --> 02:28:48.860
Let's take a look.

02:28:48.860 --> 02:28:51.540
So it's raining now, cool.

02:28:51.540 --> 02:28:52.540
What level is this zone?

02:28:52.540 --> 02:28:54.340
Oh, there, okay, it's actually like high level stuff.

02:28:54.340 --> 02:28:56.280
Okay, so we can't actually like go,

02:28:56.280 --> 02:28:59.240
I mean we can go here, but it might be more of a death run.

02:29:02.940 --> 02:29:05.520
So people have touched on this in videos already,

02:29:05.520 --> 02:29:08.160
but this feels like it belongs.

02:29:08.160 --> 02:29:10.220
Old school brutes.

02:29:10.220 --> 02:29:12.320
Okay, just like a naked night off right here.

02:29:12.320 --> 02:29:16.520
Swifty pots, magic dust, mana potions, oh my, fuck.

02:29:16.520 --> 02:29:18.520
Oh

02:29:27.080 --> 02:29:29.080
All right

02:29:30.640 --> 02:29:32.640
All right, um

02:29:33.000 --> 02:29:38.680
What was I saying old-school mob types the terrain looks good

02:29:38.800 --> 02:29:43.560
This looks like it could have always been there. You don't cross this and think oh, this is retail

02:29:43.560 --> 02:29:49.880
You cross this and think yeah, okay, this could have always been there. This is really nice

02:29:51.840 --> 02:29:53.840
Really really really nice

02:29:55.040 --> 02:29:57.240
Well, let me fix my action bars real quick

02:30:05.880 --> 02:30:07.880
Nice

02:30:07.880 --> 02:30:16.000
Water looks nice, the bridge looks nice, old assets here, there's trappers, the music,

02:30:16.000 --> 02:30:22.320
let me turn the music up.

02:30:22.320 --> 02:30:29.040
Music's nice, fits the vibe, this whole thing is a classic vibe.

02:30:29.040 --> 02:30:32.480
Geological continuity with Red Ridge as well, exactly.

02:30:32.480 --> 02:30:35.480
They just crushed it with this zone, man.

02:30:35.480 --> 02:30:43.280
Okay, so right away you have Lakeshire, Swamp of Sorrows.

02:30:43.280 --> 02:30:47.920
If you want to go down that way, it goes back into Red Ridge, and then to Swamp, it

02:30:47.920 --> 02:30:51.840
looks like a path that goes the whole way it looks like.

02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:55.880
This way, you have Twilight Shroud, Sunny Glade.

02:30:55.880 --> 02:30:58.640
Let's keep exploring.

02:30:58.640 --> 02:30:59.640
That's so cool.

02:30:59.640 --> 02:31:02.760
Yeah, it's rad.

02:31:02.760 --> 02:31:06.240
I feel like this kind of, not this landscape,

02:31:06.240 --> 02:31:09.160
but this like art fidelity is what Skyborne

02:31:09.160 --> 02:31:11.080
should have looked like, right?

02:31:11.080 --> 02:31:12.600
I don't know, it was probably just a different team

02:31:12.600 --> 02:31:16.640
that did this, but it's just all old mob creatures.

02:31:16.640 --> 02:31:18.580
You don't think, oh, this is a brand new asset.

02:31:18.580 --> 02:31:21.320
You think, oh yeah, this is straight up classic, bro.

02:31:24.320 --> 02:31:26.100
The music is nice too.

02:31:28.680 --> 02:31:29.600
They need consistency.

02:31:29.600 --> 02:31:32.720
Well, this is consistent, which proves that they can do it.

02:31:32.720 --> 02:31:34.220
It proves that it can be done.

02:31:37.960 --> 02:31:39.960
Someone flying over.

02:31:39.960 --> 02:31:42.660
Twilight shroud over here to the left.

02:31:44.320 --> 02:31:47.120
See, like, once we eventually get to a town or something,

02:31:47.120 --> 02:31:48.720
we'll try to grab a flight path.

02:31:53.720 --> 02:31:54.960
There's a black mark in auction house.

02:31:54.960 --> 02:31:56.320
People are saying, I haven't seen that.

02:31:56.320 --> 02:31:58.360
We'll have to take a look.

02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:00.120
So there's buzzards over here.

02:32:02.720 --> 02:32:05.480
The music is kind of eerie now

02:32:14.640 --> 02:32:16.640
Ristle Hills

02:32:20.760 --> 02:32:23.640
Twilight shroud far-hold look out

02:32:23.640 --> 02:32:34.040
I'm gonna try to do like a whole lap here. I would assume it's like an alliance city in here somewhere, maybe I

02:32:37.940 --> 02:32:43.800
Like the music it's I like that it's just like calm and eerie. It's not like so in your face, you know

02:32:47.820 --> 02:32:51.260
So sunny glades Badlands and Red Ridge, I like that there's signs

02:32:53.640 --> 02:33:02.680
it's almost giving me a rip rip Aussie hunts I don't know why but it's almost

02:33:02.680 --> 02:33:07.960
giving me burning steps vibes where you're walking through a road and it's

02:33:07.960 --> 02:33:11.880
kind of like open but then there's like mobs on either side and it's like scary

02:33:11.880 --> 02:33:16.640
it almost feels like running through the burning steps at a low level although

02:33:16.640 --> 02:33:22.160
it doesn't look like thematically anything like burning steps not yet

02:33:22.160 --> 02:33:31.600
burn steps, exactly. Have I found new Avalon yet in EPL? I haven't seen that yet, no.

02:33:32.640 --> 02:33:36.560
Okay, wait, so I kind of want to go check out this, but I don't think we can get there without dying.

02:33:37.200 --> 02:33:47.280
So, wow, whoa. There's some cool verticality here. It reminds me of almost like hinterlands over here

02:33:47.280 --> 02:33:51.600
where you like go down and just see this like massive hill. Verticality is something that's

02:33:51.600 --> 02:33:55.600
that's really interesting in classic era and forever

02:33:55.600 --> 02:33:57.200
because you don't have flying mounts.

02:33:57.200 --> 02:33:59.280
So you can't add it too often

02:33:59.280 --> 02:34:03.040
to where you're just screwed if you go one way,

02:34:03.040 --> 02:34:04.280
you have to like cross the whole map,

02:34:04.280 --> 02:34:06.120
but you can add it sparingly like this

02:34:06.120 --> 02:34:08.600
to where it just feels really nice and cool

02:34:08.600 --> 02:34:12.680
and like just like a massive cliff.

02:34:12.680 --> 02:34:15.000
Obviously on retail, they can go crazy with it

02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:16.040
because there's flying mounts.

02:34:16.040 --> 02:34:17.560
So it's everywhere,

02:34:17.560 --> 02:34:20.400
but it also means that you can't really explore retail

02:34:20.400 --> 02:34:25.280
foot because it's everywhere like you wouldn't get anywhere. So the zones in

02:34:25.280 --> 02:34:30.960
in this have to be designed in a way that keeps in mind you don't have a flying

02:34:30.960 --> 02:34:33.200
mount.

02:34:34.680 --> 02:34:38.400
The river looks nice obviously we can't really explore much more that way

02:34:38.400 --> 02:34:44.320
because we're just gonna die. Let's go down here in the rifer.

02:34:44.320 --> 02:34:51.240
You think they're gonna add forever style unit frames?

02:34:51.240 --> 02:34:53.360
I really hope so.

02:34:53.360 --> 02:35:02.720
I'm really pushing for it, but turns out not everything I want is gonna be in the game

02:35:02.720 --> 02:35:06.680
and I'll have to be happy, I guess I don't have to be happy, but at the end of the day

02:35:06.680 --> 02:35:12.520
I'll be playing having fun.

02:35:12.520 --> 02:35:19.760
a raid to explore more and kill all the skull mobs. Um, riverglades is 35 to 45. Oh, we

02:35:19.760 --> 02:35:25.040
probably could explore more in a raid. I thought these were like 50s, but if they're

02:35:25.040 --> 02:35:30.400
only 35s, we could make a raid and kill all these and actually check out more of like

02:35:30.400 --> 02:35:38.560
this area and like this area kind of push through. Do it. You guys want to do that?

02:35:38.840 --> 02:35:42.420
Yo, yeah, let's make a raid to explore river glades. I didn't think about that

02:35:45.320 --> 02:35:47.320
Yeah, send me a send me a whisper

02:35:51.200 --> 02:35:57.400
Actually send me a whisper I envy you should auto invite you I envy I

02:35:59.040 --> 02:36:01.040
Should have done this yesterday much easier

02:36:01.040 --> 02:36:09.760
while we're here let's go back to the road and let's just meet up with more

02:36:09.760 --> 02:36:19.720
people and then we'll start exploring by just killing a bunch of mobs

02:36:31.040 --> 02:36:34.680
How do you reveal the map?

02:36:34.680 --> 02:36:38.080
I'm using the Litrix maps, I think, for that.

02:36:38.080 --> 02:36:44.680
Yeah, let's just go up here and wait at the crossroads and then explore more stuff.

02:36:44.680 --> 02:36:47.760
Bro, what are these streamer benes?

02:36:47.760 --> 02:36:50.120
I don't know what you're talking about.

02:36:50.120 --> 02:36:57.240
If you guys want to invite just INV, actually Tempest, do you want to make another raid

02:36:57.240 --> 02:37:00.240
since you're on our layer already?

02:37:00.240 --> 02:37:09.040
this raid is going to be full in a second. Anyone else on this layer already want to

02:37:09.040 --> 02:37:19.800
make a second raid? I think Tempest Arcade is going to drop the group and make a second

02:37:19.800 --> 02:37:27.240
raid since we're full. Actually, you know what's even easier? I'm going to give Tempest

02:37:27.240 --> 02:37:32.040
leader of this raid and then I'll make a second raid and then we can all just wait like right here

02:37:32.680 --> 02:37:35.720
so tempus you are now the leader of the first raid

02:37:38.040 --> 02:37:41.400
since you're uh he left group here tempus since you're on this layer

02:37:44.280 --> 02:37:50.360
you're just gonna be the leader of this raid now i'm gonna leave and then i'll fill a second raid

02:37:52.680 --> 02:37:55.560
and everyone everyone in that first raid just staying the first raid we'll be right here

02:37:57.240 --> 02:38:03.560
Lumberjack, hi, what up Zedda? Thanks for the prune.

02:38:03.560 --> 02:38:09.880
This is from Oathbreaker. Oh, guys. Legendary. Thanks, guys.

02:38:09.880 --> 02:38:15.480
Well, wait a minute for people to get here, and then we'll just start clawing our way

02:38:15.480 --> 02:38:26.480
through the riverglades.

02:38:26.480 --> 02:38:28.880
Let's end with a 2020 Christmas post on Facebook.

02:38:28.880 --> 02:38:32.720
It's a fake Facebook account.

02:38:32.720 --> 02:38:34.720
If you can report to this fake, that'd be awesome.

02:38:34.720 --> 02:38:40.920
Am I going to play hardcore forever?

02:38:40.920 --> 02:38:45.320
Yeah, of course.

02:38:45.320 --> 02:38:46.320
It's back.

02:38:46.320 --> 02:38:48.480
I thought it was back, but yeah.

02:38:48.480 --> 02:38:49.480
Can you say what up Gino?

02:38:49.480 --> 02:38:50.480
What up Gino?

02:38:50.480 --> 02:39:11.720
Can you choose to cheat on your back, I don't think so.

02:39:11.720 --> 02:39:13.280
Are you not going to level horde for the dual tourney?

02:39:13.280 --> 02:39:15.400
I'm going to be hosting the tournament, guys.

02:39:15.400 --> 02:39:18.280
I'm going to be hosting and casting it just like the last one.

02:39:18.280 --> 02:39:20.400
Yo, Fury, thanks for the prime.

02:39:20.400 --> 02:39:26.640
Rosetta, thanks for the front.

02:39:26.640 --> 02:39:28.640
How are you liking that cloak?

02:39:28.640 --> 02:39:35.240
I turned my cloak off, but oh, you just mean like, yeah, toaker, Master Gishi's cloak

02:39:35.240 --> 02:39:36.440
is fire.

02:39:36.440 --> 02:39:47.120
I hid my cloak because I don't like how it looks, but the cloak itself is nice.

02:39:47.120 --> 02:39:53.400
prefer hosting to come to participating. Oh yeah. The last classic tournament I participated

02:39:53.400 --> 02:40:00.800
in was the CDL, I think, which was a long time ago. And I liked participating too, but

02:40:00.800 --> 02:40:05.520
it's a whole nother level of stress from the hosting side of things. It's just pure fun.

02:40:05.520 --> 02:40:09.600
When you're a host, you literally wake up the day of and you're excited. You're like,

02:40:09.600 --> 02:40:15.360
I can't wait to see what happens when you're a player. It's like, if game time, man, you're

02:40:15.360 --> 02:40:19.320
like sweat and it's like all right we got to perform we got to lock in as a host

02:40:19.320 --> 02:40:26.160
it's just like all right let's have some fun today you know so I yeah these days

02:40:26.160 --> 02:40:30.800
I like hosting and casting it's very fun

02:40:38.120 --> 02:40:41.960
who won the big last big classic dual tourney snuts and I don't think he's

02:40:41.960 --> 02:40:46.560
flame this time so someone's gonna take his throne.

02:40:46.560 --> 02:41:04.240
Be safe to the Prime.

02:41:04.240 --> 02:41:07.600
We have room for like 15 more people if anyone wants to explore River Glades with us.

02:41:07.600 --> 02:41:10.000
We're just gonna run around.

02:41:10.000 --> 02:41:18.760
We're going to wait a few minutes too.

02:41:18.760 --> 02:41:22.520
Legacy system equals L. I actually really like the legacy system, but I think some of the

02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:27.360
talent points are 2-0-P.

02:41:27.360 --> 02:41:31.200
Watch Snuts come on, make a lock, win the tourney, then never touch it again.

02:41:31.200 --> 02:41:32.920
I wouldn't be surprised.

02:41:32.920 --> 02:41:37.000
That's what Snuts did in BlizzCon 2012.

02:41:37.000 --> 02:41:47.000
He wasn't playing the game, he logged in, won regionals or qualified for Blizzcon, quit

02:41:47.000 --> 02:41:55.600
again until Blizzcon showed up at Blizzcon on the big stage, won Blizzcon and then quit

02:41:55.600 --> 02:41:56.600
again.

02:41:56.600 --> 02:42:09.600
Yeah, crazy.

02:42:09.600 --> 02:42:19.440
He left to tell that exact story, but it was definitely something like that.

02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:45.440
and

02:42:45.440 --> 02:42:49.720
And put one more point into frostbite because frostbite is so good at Iceland's

02:42:50.500 --> 02:42:53.620
I was thinking of maybe doing 1% more hit, but I'm not sure yet

02:42:56.720 --> 02:43:01.840
Probably not at 1% actually just can't afford it probably do 5 2 3 1

02:43:04.660 --> 02:43:07.840
What are we doing we're gonna explore river glades, but I'm waiting for people to get here

02:43:08.640 --> 02:43:12.860
Time for a campfire. I don't have the maps on me. Unfortunately. I don't know if anyone else does

02:43:12.860 --> 02:43:17.860
is not a time traveler. He definitely might be.

02:43:30.860 --> 02:43:36.860
Dude, I've been calling out the models non-stop, Mexter. I've been calling out non-stop.

02:43:36.860 --> 02:43:40.440
How fast can I type?

02:43:40.440 --> 02:43:45.580
My best is like 120 words per minute, 100 words per minute, something like that.

02:43:45.580 --> 02:43:49.980
I'm not like crazy fast, but you know, obviously like my game.

02:43:49.980 --> 02:44:02.980
Best makespec a 20 for PVP is probably Frost, for PvE I think it's just literal one spec.

02:44:02.980 --> 02:44:04.980
3

02:44:04.980 --> 02:44:06.980
2

02:44:06.980 --> 02:44:08.980
1

02:44:08.980 --> 02:44:10.980
1

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1

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1

02:44:14.980 --> 02:44:16.980
1

02:44:16.980 --> 02:44:18.980
1

02:44:18.980 --> 02:44:20.980
1

02:44:20.980 --> 02:44:22.980
1

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1

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1

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1

02:44:28.980 --> 02:44:30.980
1

02:44:30.980 --> 02:44:36.460
Okay, well, let's give people another minute.

02:44:36.460 --> 02:44:38.380
There's a lot of people on the road right here.

02:44:38.380 --> 02:44:40.380
Oh, hey look.

02:44:40.380 --> 02:44:41.380
Oh.

02:44:41.380 --> 02:44:46.980
What up, Stab, McStab?

02:44:46.980 --> 02:44:48.980
What up?

02:44:48.980 --> 02:44:51.180
Slash sit.

02:44:51.180 --> 02:44:53.900
Alright.

02:44:53.900 --> 02:44:57.180
He definitely called out things not fitting aesthetically on the podcast.

02:44:57.180 --> 02:45:02.460
Yeah, I don't know what the final cut of the podcast looked like, I haven't seen it.

02:45:02.460 --> 02:45:09.220
I probably don't even plan to watch it because I don't like watching myself talk, but I definitely

02:45:09.220 --> 02:45:11.540
called out things not fitting aesthetically.

02:45:11.540 --> 02:45:16.140
I'm pretty sure they kept that part, I hope they did because definitely called that out

02:45:16.140 --> 02:45:22.100
right there and I've been very vocal about that every day to them and on stream.

02:45:22.100 --> 02:45:25.860
So you know, obviously I don't want to be a big complainer, but at the same time it's

02:45:25.860 --> 02:45:29.860
something I've been very vocal about very very vocal

02:45:35.860 --> 02:45:38.060
You did but it was mellow. Yeah

02:45:46.060 --> 02:45:49.580
It was great people are just weird wanting you to hate on the game, you know

02:45:49.580 --> 02:45:54.580
It's actually funny is I actually get both sides I get people saying that I oh well

02:45:54.580 --> 02:45:57.940
I will put that silk lot to good use. Thanks, bro. I get both sides

02:45:57.940 --> 02:46:00.220
I get people telling me that I

02:46:00.860 --> 02:46:04.780
Don't hate enough and then I get other people telling me

02:46:05.140 --> 02:46:09.140
Stop hating on the art or stop hating on the UI. It's fine

02:46:09.500 --> 02:46:15.120
So I get people telling me to stop hating and to hate more which tells me

02:46:15.940 --> 02:46:17.940
I'm probably in the right spot

02:46:19.260 --> 02:46:21.260
Probably right in the middle. That's fine

02:46:21.260 --> 02:46:24.500
Yeah, yeah, we're probably not gonna change a thing

02:46:27.300 --> 02:46:31.900
Okay, I think we might start running there guys because we've been waiting a while but people can always catch up

02:46:36.820 --> 02:46:39.020
Okay, so I think the first thing is

02:46:39.940 --> 02:46:41.940
Now that we have a bunch of people

02:46:42.020 --> 02:46:47.380
We can start exploring like straight if we wanted to we could go up as well

02:46:47.820 --> 02:46:50.860
Let's just go straight like let's see what's over through here

02:46:51.260 --> 02:47:04.200
Yeah, I think respect costuming like that.

02:47:04.200 --> 02:47:06.660
I don't think you've mentioned anything about the art design.

02:47:06.660 --> 02:47:07.660
Yeah, shh.

02:47:07.660 --> 02:47:08.660
True.

02:47:08.660 --> 02:47:38.580
Okay, this seems very doable.

02:47:38.580 --> 02:47:44.960
I didn't know that this was like such a low zone at 35 to 45. It's actually the perfect level for a zone because

02:47:45.900 --> 02:47:51.260
Normally in these level ranges, you're just like spamming Scarlet monastery over and over so

02:47:52.580 --> 02:47:54.580
I'm actually glad they added it at this level

02:47:55.420 --> 02:47:58.320
But this also means a bunch of level 20s actually can

02:47:59.540 --> 02:48:02.900
Kill these so we can actually like push through here and see what it has to offer

02:48:08.580 --> 02:48:14.180
I don't get the hate play era if you're that mad.

02:48:14.180 --> 02:48:17.820
I think Blizzard actually strategically did this.

02:48:17.820 --> 02:48:21.140
They have two outs for themselves with this game.

02:48:21.140 --> 02:48:27.140
If you want something more modern, they can literally say, oh, we have retail wow.

02:48:27.140 --> 02:48:28.580
Sounds like you would love that.

02:48:28.580 --> 02:48:31.100
And if you're like, no, there's too many changes.

02:48:31.100 --> 02:48:34.340
They literally have the out and it says, oh, well, we have era.

02:48:34.340 --> 02:48:37.500
You can play that, right?

02:48:37.500 --> 02:48:41.580
I in either direction they're basically like they have it out, you know

02:48:53.820 --> 02:49:00.260
I mean, I think the art style is not cohesive, I don't know if I would call myself unhinged and unmedicated I

02:49:01.100 --> 02:49:03.100
Am a nerd and I'm on the internet

02:49:07.500 --> 02:49:15.500
I think there's room for valid criticism there.

02:49:15.500 --> 02:49:18.500
Like I think it's just like, yeah, that's a fair take, you know.

02:49:18.500 --> 02:49:23.500
It's okay to be upset about something and just be like, uh, I would prefer it this way. That's fine.

02:49:27.500 --> 02:49:30.500
Okay, so we're pushing through.

02:49:30.500 --> 02:49:35.500
Sunny Glade is down there. There's just like a massive tower.

02:49:35.500 --> 02:49:39.820
there's just like a ton of mobs over here. I kind of want to just like push through this road to

02:49:39.820 --> 02:49:45.260
see what's on the other side. We don't need to kill like every mob in this zone but I would kind

02:49:45.260 --> 02:49:49.180
of like to actually explore the zone. It would be cool to like go where the mage is here and

02:49:49.180 --> 02:49:53.420
check out the key or like go all the way to the top see what's here then like double back and see

02:49:53.420 --> 02:49:55.420
Let's see what's here.

02:50:09.420 --> 02:50:10.420
Okay.

02:50:12.420 --> 02:50:14.420
Now let's go this far.

02:50:14.420 --> 02:50:17.420
What mouse am I using? What mouse setting am I using?

02:50:17.420 --> 02:50:19.420
Dude, I don't know.

02:50:19.420 --> 02:50:21.420
Mouse look speed...

02:50:21.420 --> 02:50:35.860
1.5, enable mouse sense turned off, that's what you mean.

02:50:35.860 --> 02:50:39.500
This zone looks good, this zone looks amazing.

02:50:39.500 --> 02:50:46.820
I'm gonna go ally and launch.

02:50:46.820 --> 02:50:47.820
Can you show talents please?

02:50:47.820 --> 02:50:48.820
Yeah, here you go.

02:50:59.980 --> 02:51:04.280
It's getting exhausting being part of the stream recently with the back and forth of

02:51:04.280 --> 02:51:09.680
you're not crying enough or you're crying too much without actually having a constructed conversation and it's training.

02:51:09.680 --> 02:51:11.320
Yeah, you're telling me.

02:51:11.320 --> 02:51:14.440
I'm the guy sitting here seeing both these things.

02:51:14.440 --> 02:51:16.440
You're not crying enough or you're crying too much.

02:51:16.440 --> 02:51:22.280
Yeah, I agree with you man. I actually agree with that. That guy's right 100%

02:51:22.920 --> 02:51:27.140
I think we have like a much larger amount of people in the chapter than normal

02:51:27.140 --> 02:51:30.960
So I think the normal community is probably just like goodness gracious kind of how I am

02:51:30.960 --> 02:51:34.080
I was calling you guys out a little bit yesterday like come on guys. Let's

02:51:34.800 --> 02:51:36.800
Take a chill pill here, but

02:51:38.480 --> 02:51:43.340
You know as long as everything stays constructive, I think that's the big thing for me

02:51:46.440 --> 02:52:03.600
Okay, there's the bridge. I think we should just push this way and cross it

02:52:03.600 --> 02:52:08.120
Dazzling Mithril Rapier. Oh cool.

02:52:08.120 --> 02:52:14.640
Eight agility, 1.7 speed sword. Am I getting on?

02:52:14.640 --> 02:52:18.440
Good music. Yeah, really good music.

02:52:18.440 --> 02:52:26.720
Have we accepted that rogues need Shadow Step, AOE, and get a boost?

02:52:26.720 --> 02:52:32.160
No, I have not accepted that. And I'm a big rogue enjoyer here.

02:52:32.160 --> 02:52:38.460
one of the things after playing more wow forever that I've realized is that a lot

02:52:38.460 --> 02:52:43.320
of classes are actually just very similar to how they were in era at least

02:52:43.320 --> 02:52:47.840
from what I've played there's obviously some exceptions but I think once you

02:52:47.840 --> 02:52:51.880
play more you realize that like not a lot of classes just got complete reworks

02:52:51.880 --> 02:52:56.600
and that's not what the goal is I don't think a lot of classes play very similar

02:52:56.600 --> 02:53:01.960
to era the goal is balance and content the goal isn't necessarily let's

02:53:01.960 --> 02:53:06.360
rework every class for the sake of reworking every class, which is definitely very different.

02:53:09.860 --> 02:53:11.160
Wait, the server's just shut down.

02:53:13.660 --> 02:53:17.460
Blizzard, we were- we were exploring the river glades and they shut us down!

02:53:17.860 --> 02:53:18.760
What the heck?!

02:53:21.760 --> 02:53:26.660
It was a 15 minute shutdown and then a 5 second shutdown. Maybe something was on fire over there, I don't know.

02:53:26.660 --> 02:53:32.660
Get in queue.

02:53:32.660 --> 02:53:36.380
Oh my.

02:53:36.380 --> 02:53:37.380
I always do that, bro.

02:53:37.380 --> 02:53:38.660
I never click reconnect.

02:53:38.660 --> 02:53:45.620
I always just think we just chill.

02:53:45.620 --> 02:53:46.780
Maybe it'll be a patch.

02:53:46.780 --> 02:53:48.300
Maybe it'll be some fixes.

02:53:48.300 --> 02:53:49.300
Maybe it'll be some primes.

02:53:49.300 --> 02:53:54.540
Who knows?

02:53:54.540 --> 02:53:55.540
My re-rolling horde.

02:53:55.540 --> 02:53:56.820
uh i don't think so

02:54:01.460 --> 02:54:03.860
wanded, podcast is already fixed, yeah i noticed that's cool

02:54:05.380 --> 02:54:09.620
there's a new class added now, nice imagine add on save pipe, hopefully

02:54:09.620 --> 02:54:21.060
Jose, thanks for the prime, Cole, thanks for the prime.

02:54:21.060 --> 02:54:30.100
High trade up, let's get it.

02:54:30.100 --> 02:54:38.660
Hardcore is out, but if you click it, it makes you re-queue.

02:54:38.660 --> 02:54:40.900
So what's the best class now then?

02:54:40.900 --> 02:54:46.060
I'm not answering that one.

02:54:46.060 --> 02:54:47.060
Bit shifter.

02:54:47.060 --> 02:54:48.540
Thanks for the sub, man.

02:54:48.540 --> 02:54:52.660
What do you think about the pull for a new class in a while forever?

02:54:52.660 --> 02:54:57.340
I think using pull sparingly could be cool.

02:54:57.340 --> 02:55:00.300
BW8 gifted subs, wait, why 8?

02:55:00.300 --> 02:55:04.420
Thank you very much, BW, you rock.

02:55:04.420 --> 02:55:05.420
Why is there a queue?

02:55:05.420 --> 02:55:06.420
Is there an update?

02:55:06.420 --> 02:55:07.420
Guess so.

02:55:07.420 --> 02:55:09.420
Servers just went down.

02:55:09.740 --> 02:55:11.740
They restarted it.

02:55:15.220 --> 02:55:17.460
New class is a spellbreaker, okay?

02:55:26.040 --> 02:55:31.840
So I can get the 500? Bro, you're insane, baby. Holy crap. You're insane.

02:55:34.340 --> 02:55:36.620
I caught him, but there's no server active. Bruh.

02:55:38.140 --> 02:55:42.480
You said yesterday there might be a patch today. I thought there was gonna be a patch this morning clearly. I'm wrong

02:55:43.940 --> 02:55:45.940
KB take the two of us up

02:55:51.780 --> 02:55:57.520
You're gonna love the Warcraft 3 campaign and I'm stoked I'm gonna play it after the betas over

02:56:00.300 --> 02:56:02.300
Future thanks for the problem

02:56:07.420 --> 02:56:21.620
The

02:56:21.620 --> 02:56:28.720
data's over. No, not yet. An anti mage class would be awesome like a class designed to

02:56:28.720 --> 02:56:33.660
mess over mages. That already exists. We have shamans. We have locks. We have druids. We

02:56:33.660 --> 02:56:35.660
We have priests, we have hunters.

02:56:43.660 --> 02:56:46.660
It goes off on October 22nd.

02:56:46.660 --> 02:56:49.660
Then the launch is November 4th.

02:56:49.660 --> 02:56:53.660
So between October 22nd and November 4th, we're going to do

02:56:55.660 --> 02:56:57.660
Warcraft 3.

02:56:57.660 --> 02:57:06.100
Oh, that TTS doesn't work breaking. Is that actually a real beta key? He linked a beta

02:57:06.100 --> 02:57:11.420
key, but I don't know if it's real or fake. You know, I'll copy and paste it in the chat.

02:57:11.420 --> 02:57:16.340
I don't know if this is a real one or not. It might be a fake one, so good luck.

02:57:16.340 --> 02:57:22.340
If you could choose only one, which one would you choose? The other two has to go for forever.

02:57:22.340 --> 02:57:33.020
If I could only choose one, I would play forever and hope it doesn't suck in the long term.

02:57:33.020 --> 02:57:37.740
Read the last sentence of this.

02:57:37.740 --> 02:57:40.740
Our next full weekly update is coming on September 24th.

02:57:40.740 --> 02:57:43.060
Oh yeah, yeah, literally says that.

02:57:43.060 --> 02:57:44.060
Our next full...

02:57:44.060 --> 02:57:47.060
So I thought it was today.

02:57:47.060 --> 02:58:05.960
People go to high shoulder in the beta, I'm not even sure.

02:58:05.960 --> 02:58:09.960
Hardcore, role play, PvP, normal.

02:58:09.960 --> 02:58:11.660
It's not PvE guys, it's normal.

02:58:11.660 --> 02:58:12.660
Just...

02:58:12.660 --> 02:58:28.100
Just so you know.

02:58:28.100 --> 02:58:32.900
You might need to update the client, okay.

02:58:32.900 --> 02:58:34.780
Is RU Dev Arc Inc?

02:58:34.780 --> 02:58:37.780
Dude, I was thinking about that.

02:58:37.780 --> 02:58:40.820
I think I would hate being a dev.

02:58:40.820 --> 02:58:42.820
I actually don't think I could handle it.

02:58:44.520 --> 02:58:47.020
I actually don't think I could handle it. I was thinking about this and like...

02:58:49.320 --> 02:58:53.420
If I'm a dev, you guys are just absolutely...

02:58:55.120 --> 02:58:56.320
What's the word I'm looking for?

02:58:56.820 --> 02:59:00.020
You guys would all hate on me within like 30 seconds.

02:59:00.320 --> 02:59:07.620
Saying that I suck, that I've lost touch with the game, and that they should fire me.

02:59:07.920 --> 02:59:10.620
And I think I would just go to bed crying every night, honestly.

02:59:10.620 --> 02:59:15.120
I think I would do that, I wouldn't, I don't think my skin is thick enough to be a dev,

02:59:15.120 --> 02:59:18.220
I straight up will say it, we already do?

02:59:18.220 --> 02:59:24.780
Yeah, but right now I'm clearly in touch with the game, I play every day and like, clearly

02:59:24.780 --> 02:59:28.900
I know what I'm talking about guys, obviously.

02:59:28.900 --> 02:59:35.900
No I don't think I could do it man, I would just be like, I don't think, yeah, it's too

02:59:35.900 --> 02:59:37.900
much.

02:59:37.900 --> 02:59:45.700
I have mad respect for devs out there.

02:59:45.700 --> 02:59:50.060
You can go to Mt. Heishal.

02:59:50.060 --> 03:00:06.180
I might need to check out Mt. Heishal after this.

03:00:06.180 --> 03:00:07.580
You're slouching king?

03:00:07.580 --> 03:00:10.700
I'm just taking a rest. I'm just taking a rest. I'm laying back for a second.

03:00:12.360 --> 03:00:13.080
We're chilling out.

03:00:14.520 --> 03:00:17.640
Oh, posture check. Oh gosh. Alright, fine, fine.

03:00:25.180 --> 03:00:26.600
Yo, Joss, thanks for the prime, dude.

03:00:30.580 --> 03:00:31.880
Woohoo!

03:00:37.580 --> 03:00:41.500
Just watched the triple Josh podcast loved it. Thanks, man

03:00:45.580 --> 03:00:49.260
New launcher update really okay, I'm gonna just close out of this close out of this

03:00:49.900 --> 03:00:54.400
I'm not gonna beg for twitch primes though. What I will do is see if there's an update

03:00:54.620 --> 03:00:58.720
I'll go to this we'll go to this and I don't see any updates

03:01:02.900 --> 03:01:04.900
Let's back out and reopen again

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Giveaway time we could we could do a giveaway right now

03:01:17.760 --> 03:01:20.200
That actually yeah, you know what let's do a giveaway right now

03:01:22.680 --> 03:01:30.980
All the bots are coming out hi key word forever hype three

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Good luck

03:01:37.580 --> 03:01:52.660
This is for the $80 World of Warcraft Collection Edition.

03:01:52.660 --> 03:01:59.260
This includes the beautiful new Skyborne Epidemic, access to Warcraft through Reforged, which

03:01:59.260 --> 03:02:05.100
I still need to play and of course access to the beta

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good luck guys

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That's a good idea.

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Alright.

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What's happening casual thanks for the five it says big up Sammy

03:03:29.740 --> 03:03:38.220
Easton massive L I don't know what any of that means what does it even mean my wife

03:03:38.220 --> 03:03:41.820
want me to sing some crime we got a gift it's up for my steel tier one from

03:03:41.820 --> 03:03:47.820
Nutcracker, Prime from Fish, Ashley, Thana, oh crazy Prime's guys run a little 8

03:03:47.820 --> 03:03:51.340
Hydra, goodness gracious, Power Pose, guys we're just tuning in we're giving away the

03:03:51.340 --> 03:03:56.780
$80 Wow Forever Collection Edition with the Skyborne Epic Pack Worker after

03:03:56.780 --> 03:04:03.020
we reforged. This might be the last giveaway of the day too so unless we get

03:04:03.020 --> 03:04:06.060
some more codes, who knows.

03:04:41.820 --> 03:05:02.020
Oh, G-Smith, thanks for the prime.

03:05:02.020 --> 03:05:04.020
Hawken, thanks for the T1 Shield, thanks for the prime.

03:05:04.020 --> 03:05:06.020
Kraxas, thanks for the prime.

03:05:06.020 --> 03:05:08.020
KMT, thanks for the prime.

03:05:08.020 --> 03:05:11.300
Man, third monitor stuff is going on right now.

03:05:11.300 --> 03:05:18.300
monitor stuff. XD chills, thanks for the prompt. Thornsea, thanks for the prompt.

03:05:21.460 --> 03:05:27.960
Turkey, thanks for the prompt. Hardcore exists as a game mode. Yeah, I think they're basically...

03:05:27.960 --> 03:05:32.380
I think they want to test Hardcore to see if it's working. Right, so I think it will

03:05:32.380 --> 03:05:39.380
be out at some point. On the beta. Caribbean, thanks for the prompt. Follow, thanks for

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Heechell, thanks for the Prime, Sensic, thanks for the Prime, Fresh, thanks for the Prime,

03:05:53.860 --> 03:05:57.660
Crack, thanks for the Prime, Nukum, thanks for the Prime.

03:05:57.660 --> 03:06:01.820
This is a crazy Prime train currently.

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Nick, thanks for the Prime.

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Forever Hype 3 in the shaft for the giveaway guys for just tuning in.

03:06:07.460 --> 03:06:10.660
We're giving away the $80 collection vision in a moment

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People freezing things to the prime shade things for the prime funny things for the prime rematch things for the prime legando

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Thanks for the prime don't

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Thanks for giving to you one

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Simly things for the prime day things for the prime. Oh crap. I didn't say I'll give you guys another minute youtubers

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This is a twitch only giveaway not because I don't love you guys

03:06:34.220 --> 03:06:39.620
But because I need a way to message you if you won and YouTube I can't message you if you won

03:06:39.740 --> 03:06:42.460
So if you're on YouTube and you want a chance to win

03:06:42.740 --> 03:06:46.820
tab over to twitch type forever hype 3 in the chat like if you a minute and

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Then I can message you if you win and then you can go back to watching on YouTube, but

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That's how it has to be for the message

03:06:54.020 --> 03:06:57.380
Thanks for all things to the prime table takes the prime copper things for the prime

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Q y n things the prime solely things to the prime her takes the prime and be thanks to prime

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Zuck thinks of the Prime, Shadow thinks of the Prime.

03:07:32.340 --> 03:07:48.340
and

03:07:48.340 --> 03:07:57.940
Shadow thinks of the Prime, Turk thinks of the Prime,

03:07:57.940 --> 03:08:00.580
Jussit thinks of the Prime, Big thinks of the Prime,

03:08:00.580 --> 03:08:02.620
Grim thinks of the Prime, Soty thinks of the Gifted,

03:08:02.620 --> 03:08:04.340
Alvin thinks of the Prime, Khan thinks of the Prime,

03:08:04.340 --> 03:08:06.260
Mad thinks of the Prime, Pyro thinks of the Prime,

03:08:06.260 --> 03:08:07.860
Zippy thinks of the Prime.

03:08:07.860 --> 03:08:09.460
All right, let's roll this thing so we clear

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out the chat from Spammer, shall we?

03:08:12.580 --> 03:08:14.940
Good luck, have fun guys.

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We'll roll this momentarily.

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World of Warcraft Forever Collection Edition with the Skyborne Pack Warcraft III and

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Beta Access.

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We're rolling in five, four, three, two, one.

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Good luck.

03:08:44.940 --> 03:08:50.940
Three year follow-age, let's go! This be my only account, are you here?

03:08:50.940 --> 03:08:56.940
There's a lot of potential bots, I'm happy. Three year follow-age, legendary.

03:08:56.940 --> 03:09:00.940
Nice. Yes.

03:09:00.940 --> 03:09:06.940
Two years, the time flies, always a pleasure being here in this community.

03:09:06.940 --> 03:09:13.360
W. W. Yes, I am here. Are you a bot or are you a real human?

03:09:13.360 --> 03:09:17.980
I just need to ask for security purposes. This weeds out a lot of the bots, trust me.

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Human bro. I trust you.

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Hell yeah.

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Forever Hyper 3.

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Boom. Sent it over, man. Enjoy. There it is. There it is. There it is. Grats, grats,

03:09:49.580 --> 03:09:56.060
cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, cheesy, cheesy. Enjoy the beta. Enjoy your forever edition.

03:09:56.060 --> 03:10:10.780
the forever edition or whatever that's what we're talking about just watch the

03:10:10.780 --> 03:10:16.620
podcast of the devs loved it y'all thanks man serve a reset yeah looks like it

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Kevin, thanks for the prompt.

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Check for updates.

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I didn't see any.

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Hardcore on the beta hold.

03:10:39.180 --> 03:10:41.060
Any idea what they fixed in the reset?

03:10:41.060 --> 03:10:54.580
Hopefully a lot of stuff, but who knows.

03:10:54.580 --> 03:10:57.540
Anyone else having problems seeing the RP and hardcore rule settings on the beta?

03:10:57.540 --> 03:10:58.780
I don't know man.

03:10:58.780 --> 03:11:01.740
Phantom thinks in front.

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They just dropped an update right now.

03:11:04.140 --> 03:11:11.140
uh... i'll check after this takes me back out

03:11:19.580 --> 03:11:22.860
uh... you know things from crime to see a map things from cram things from how

03:11:22.860 --> 03:11:24.780
is life it's good man it's been

03:11:24.780 --> 03:11:26.860
it's been awesome

03:11:26.860 --> 03:11:28.140
two weeks

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let me tell you that

03:11:29.360 --> 03:11:32.020
grudney thinks the problem

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ahead of you in the queue easy

03:11:34.940 --> 03:11:38.220
says flexing over here

03:11:38.220 --> 03:11:40.260
our post

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real

03:11:42.360 --> 03:11:47.440
i got in the realms

03:11:47.440 --> 03:11:51.600
so there's pvp roleplay hardcore normal

03:11:51.600 --> 03:11:52.980
when you choose one

03:11:52.980 --> 03:11:55.100
bomb you get kicked

03:11:55.100 --> 03:11:57.500
So I'm gonna try to do this.

03:12:02.340 --> 03:12:03.940
Restart wow.

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See if there's an update.

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Prime, thanks for the prime.

03:12:09.460 --> 03:12:11.460
Opening the streamer client, no, no, no.

03:12:11.460 --> 03:12:12.700
I was just restarting.

03:12:19.460 --> 03:12:21.500
There's an update on mop, mop haul it.

03:12:25.100 --> 03:12:39.620
hit the cog wheel and click update it's great out check for updates it's great

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out.

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Is the giveaway subfavor this time?

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I think a non-sub one, so I guess not.

03:12:57.660 --> 03:13:01.140
How are we feeling about Mage and Forever? It feels very similar to just Classic Era

03:13:01.140 --> 03:13:03.340
Mage, which is already really fun.

03:13:03.340 --> 03:13:08.980
There are some things, right? We talked about on the Mage Council, like KonaCold being nerfed,

03:13:08.980 --> 03:13:25.520
blizzard being nerfed, stuff like that, that might need to be looked at, but we'll see.

03:13:25.520 --> 03:13:26.840
You broke it going into the clades.

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I'm sorry, friend.

03:13:27.840 --> 03:13:28.840
I'm sorry.

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Thalania, thanks for the 2-1. Appreciate that.

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Uh, you had a mage council, it should be up on YouTube, yep.

03:13:44.040 --> 03:13:46.040
The mage council seemed cool, yeah, it was fun.

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Just watched the podcast, hope you enjoyed, man.

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Love the podcast, thanks dude.

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start alt discussion like what I'm gonna play I mean it's either gonna be a

03:14:00.660 --> 03:14:09.140
warrior or a Pali it'll either be human or Skyborne I want to do the Skyborne

03:14:09.140 --> 03:14:14.780
starting soon but I also want to do the human maybe I'll do Skyborne just because

03:14:14.780 --> 03:14:22.900
I haven't actually done it maybe I actually will do Skyborne just got on

03:14:22.900 --> 03:14:27.780
What's up with the servers right now on the beta? They're they're getting restarted. They're they're restarting

03:14:28.780 --> 03:14:35.580
Play warrior to test rage out. I talked to ampie about rage and he thinks it's actually fine because if you don't normalize rage

03:14:35.580 --> 03:14:38.900
Later, they become way too OP. So I thought that was interesting

03:14:40.900 --> 03:14:42.900
Rima thanks for the prime

03:14:44.100 --> 03:14:48.340
You need to close the app not just the window. Oh really? Okay, hold on. Let me try that

03:14:48.340 --> 03:14:54.340
Wait, uh, accident.

03:14:54.340 --> 03:14:58.340
Yeah, maybe that'll be better.

03:14:58.340 --> 03:15:00.340
Foreverhub3.

03:15:00.340 --> 03:15:02.340
Foreverhub?

03:15:02.340 --> 03:15:04.340
Foreverhull?

03:15:04.340 --> 03:15:07.340
Still no, oh, check for updates.

03:15:07.340 --> 03:15:10.340
Checking for update up to date.

03:15:10.340 --> 03:15:14.340
Okay, well, we're up to date, guys, confirmed.

03:15:14.340 --> 03:15:23.060
I like how whenever I can't log in to World of Warcraft, people just start spamming like

03:15:23.060 --> 03:15:25.940
tips on how to log in.

03:15:25.940 --> 03:15:31.480
Like oh you have to turn your lights on and then turn your lights back off and then turn

03:15:31.480 --> 03:15:36.940
them on again and then open Bnet and then move it to your third monitor and then close

03:15:36.940 --> 03:15:41.740
it with Alt F4 and then like flicker the lights back on and off again and then it should work

03:15:41.740 --> 03:15:42.740
and it's like dude.

03:15:42.740 --> 03:15:45.460
I don't think anyone's online right now. I think the servers are done

03:15:49.460 --> 03:15:51.460
It's like every time too

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Scan and repair bro, wait what you just said worked

03:16:04.100 --> 03:16:06.100
I saw that guess

03:16:09.460 --> 03:16:12.020
New tweet new build day on wow forever

03:16:12.740 --> 03:16:16.540
Oh, so it is today. It'll be down for a few hours.

03:16:18.980 --> 03:16:21.540
I'd advise not sitting there spamming, logging in.

03:16:28.780 --> 03:16:31.260
Hours in the middle of the day.

03:16:37.660 --> 03:16:40.980
All right, all right, I'm not mad, I'm not mad.

03:16:40.980 --> 03:16:42.300
That's fine.

03:16:42.300 --> 03:16:44.980
Guys, we already sent like two or three hours of RE-AX.

03:16:44.980 --> 03:16:46.820
I should have done that.

03:16:46.820 --> 03:16:48.260
I should have played the game this morning

03:16:48.260 --> 03:16:49.620
and done RE-AX now.

03:16:54.980 --> 03:16:56.500
There's more videos to watch.

03:16:56.500 --> 03:16:58.180
Play some RE.

03:16:58.180 --> 03:16:59.620
Couldn't hit Warcraft 3.

03:17:02.660 --> 03:17:05.300
I don't, I feel like I'm not even in the mindset.

03:17:05.300 --> 03:17:07.900
No, no, I actually don't wanna play Warcraft 3

03:17:07.900 --> 03:17:10.340
because if I play Warcraft 3,

03:17:10.340 --> 03:17:16.620
I want to finish it, but if the beta is down for a few hours, I'm gonna literally play

03:17:16.620 --> 03:17:21.540
a mission and then need to not play because the beta will be back up.

03:17:21.540 --> 03:17:22.540
Screw that.

03:17:22.540 --> 03:17:26.340
I'm gonna wait till the beta is down and then binge it.

03:17:26.340 --> 03:17:30.020
My one day off, that's brutal, man.

03:17:30.020 --> 03:17:34.140
else having a problem seeing the arctic and hard-door rule settings in the beta

03:17:40.940 --> 03:17:47.380
Back to league no, we're not playing league guys. We're not playing league. No, uh-uh

03:17:50.340 --> 03:17:52.340
Do the road council right now I

03:17:54.980 --> 03:17:59.260
Mean we get shot to pay oh, I don't think peekaboo knows about rogue

03:18:00.020 --> 03:18:02.020
Um

03:18:02.860 --> 03:18:04.860
Who also be a rogue

03:18:05.460 --> 03:18:07.460
How is life room?

03:18:08.780 --> 03:18:11.580
I think payo and show back

03:18:17.460 --> 03:18:22.500
Good good little rogue council I the thing is I haven't played rogue so I would literally just be like listening I

03:18:23.460 --> 03:18:27.540
Would be really interested to hear. I don't think Savick's has played rogue

03:18:27.540 --> 03:18:41.820
summit yeah technically um I feel like I would be interested to hear mere and

03:18:41.820 --> 03:18:47.260
yeah mere you guys know mere it's like absolute legend like mere I would be

03:18:47.260 --> 03:18:54.620
curious what he thinks Simon eyes would have some good input yeah her plexity

03:18:54.620 --> 03:19:03.020
yeah the biggest of da bomb us the biggest bomb ps hero yeah oh ps hero ps hero would

03:19:03.020 --> 03:19:10.940
actually be kind of the guy because he's played so much classic he's very good

03:19:10.940 --> 03:19:20.540
use our 25 months wow forever hi oh tactics to oh and Bobca oh there's too

03:19:20.540 --> 03:19:27.540
many people. I'd be curious about Bobca too.

03:19:27.540 --> 03:19:34.040
Servers are down. They're big down.

03:19:34.040 --> 03:19:43.540
Are you going to play Mage yet?

03:19:43.540 --> 03:19:44.540
Back at ya.

03:19:44.540 --> 03:20:01.140
I mean there are definitely more videos to watch too.

03:20:01.140 --> 03:20:04.080
I will say I'm very happy there's a new build.

03:20:04.080 --> 03:20:13.500
A new build makes me very happy.

03:20:13.500 --> 03:20:20.460
very very happy. What does a new build mean? I guess it's technically different than a patch

03:20:20.460 --> 03:20:25.420
but it's a bunch of new, hopefully a bunch of bug fixes and stuff, hopefully the game's better.

03:20:25.420 --> 03:20:29.020
Hopefully they fix the memory leak and the add-on saving, those are like the big two I think.

03:20:32.060 --> 03:20:35.580
Just watched the podcast, loved all the points you brought up. Seems like the devs really want

03:20:35.580 --> 03:20:37.660
to care and listen to the community feedback. Hey, glad you enjoyed.

03:20:37.660 --> 03:20:44.660
Reign? Yeah, true.

03:20:44.660 --> 03:20:47.660
Hopefully Respect costs are free. Yeah, I agree.

03:21:07.660 --> 03:21:10.420
your opinion. If I was Blizzard, I would.

03:21:11.540 --> 03:21:16.020
Um, yeah, I've definitely given them a lot of feedback. But you

03:21:16.020 --> 03:21:19.660
know, obviously, there's some things that they're just like,

03:21:20.700 --> 03:21:25.820
no, it is what it is, you know, I can say stuff, but it doesn't

03:21:25.820 --> 03:21:28.380
mean it doesn't really mean much. But I mean, I can say it.

03:21:29.980 --> 03:21:34.100
In terms of my approach, I'm glad you I appreciate that. I

03:21:34.100 --> 03:21:36.780
think a lot of people are getting in my head lately saying

03:21:36.780 --> 03:21:43.700
that like I'm too negative or I'm too positive or I'm whining for no reason or I'm not whining

03:21:43.700 --> 03:21:49.500
enough and I appreciate that that I'm I'm trying to just look at what's net good right

03:21:49.500 --> 03:21:56.020
there's a lot of decisions to be made I want the game to be the best it can be and you

03:21:56.020 --> 03:21:59.220
know I'm trying my best man so I do appreciate it.

03:21:59.220 --> 03:22:01.220
I T1 thanks to the frontman

03:22:08.980 --> 03:22:10.980
My clients updating now really I

03:22:14.060 --> 03:22:21.100
Can try again, but he there's literally a tweet that says we'll be down for a few hours don't even try logging in so

03:22:23.980 --> 03:22:25.980
Yeah, it's probably gonna be a few hours

03:22:25.980 --> 03:22:30.540
Okay, there are some videos I wanted to watch.

03:22:30.540 --> 03:22:32.220
So this actually kind of does work.

03:22:33.540 --> 03:22:36.940
First, there's a 720 zone video from Jeff

03:22:36.940 --> 03:22:39.740
and he says, how WoW's forever hall of thames

03:22:39.740 --> 03:22:40.660
fits under Ironforge.

03:22:40.660 --> 03:22:43.180
Jeff makes the coolest videos.

03:22:43.180 --> 03:22:44.300
All right, I think this one's gonna be cool.

03:22:44.300 --> 03:22:49.300
This is the brand with like how all of this fits,

03:22:50.980 --> 03:22:53.260
how all the maps like actually fit in the world.

03:22:53.260 --> 03:22:55.140
Though one of the videos that I found Jeff on

03:22:55.140 --> 03:22:58.220
was actually, he looked at the Deep Run Tram

03:22:58.220 --> 03:23:00.420
and he's like, does this tram,

03:23:00.420 --> 03:23:02.380
would it be long enough to actually go across

03:23:02.380 --> 03:23:04.100
or would it even be facing in the right direction?

03:23:04.100 --> 03:23:05.420
And he like puts all the maps together.

03:23:05.420 --> 03:23:06.620
It's really cool stuff.

03:23:07.740 --> 03:23:12.500
Anyway, this one is how Hall of Thanes fits under Ironforge.

03:23:12.500 --> 03:23:14.620
So give it to us, Jeff.

03:23:14.620 --> 03:23:17.300
And new WoW Forever Hall of Thanes dungeon model.

03:23:17.300 --> 03:23:18.940
Of course, the whole thing from the outside.

03:23:18.940 --> 03:23:21.940
Here's its overhead map, bosses in white

03:23:21.940 --> 03:23:24.020
and new quests you pick up in yellow.

03:23:24.020 --> 03:23:29.580
So I haven't even seen this overhead map. So you go in and then you go to the left and

03:23:30.260 --> 03:23:32.740
I don't think you can go in here at all

03:23:34.300 --> 03:23:36.880
Then you walk up you kill the first boss

03:23:38.780 --> 03:23:42.820
And I can't remember where you even go from there do you go this way I guess you go

03:23:43.980 --> 03:23:49.540
Or do you go down now you go down this way through here over here and then through here and

03:23:51.500 --> 03:23:53.780
Then you like finish this way

03:23:54.020 --> 03:23:57.080
I've only done it once.

03:23:57.080 --> 03:23:59.140
Well, I actually got ran through it again,

03:23:59.140 --> 03:24:00.580
but basically only the full thing once.

03:24:00.580 --> 03:24:01.420
I think it's like that.

03:24:01.420 --> 03:24:06.420
You go like this, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

03:24:06.460 --> 03:24:07.700
Like that.

03:24:07.700 --> 03:24:09.260
Anyway, I love this dungeon.

03:24:09.260 --> 03:24:10.940
Like aesthetically, the fact that they did something

03:24:10.940 --> 03:24:12.980
with old Iron Forge is just rad.

03:24:12.980 --> 03:24:15.500
I would actually like to know about,

03:24:15.500 --> 03:24:17.940
like I watched a novel video breaking them,

03:24:17.940 --> 03:24:19.540
the lore of like all of these guys.

03:24:19.540 --> 03:24:21.180
That would be interesting.

03:24:21.180 --> 03:24:27.100
And here is the new Forever Iron Forge model, which has this updated or modified old Iron

03:24:27.100 --> 03:24:29.540
Forge section down here.

03:24:29.540 --> 03:24:31.860
I'm so happy they did something with that.

03:24:31.860 --> 03:24:34.860
Which is where we zone in to the new dungeon.

03:24:34.860 --> 03:24:38.420
So in this quick video, we'll check out how the dungeon looks inside and out and how it

03:24:38.420 --> 03:24:40.140
would fit together with Iron Forge.

03:24:40.140 --> 03:24:43.820
And most importantly, I ask this one a lot, does the dungeon fit the map?

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And first off, we start off by zoning into this room, which we clear through first.

03:24:51.340 --> 03:24:55.500
This center square here has the enraged apparitions and tormented souls that you'll kill as part

03:24:55.500 --> 03:24:59.660
of a quest called the Restless Dead that you can pick up just outside Old I.F. on your

03:24:59.660 --> 03:25:02.140
way down to this dungeon.

03:25:02.140 --> 03:25:08.340
In here, we take the first left through this little tunnel and into this second room.

03:25:08.340 --> 03:25:11.460
And in here, there's a quest giver called Ghostly Attendant that gives you a quest to

03:25:11.460 --> 03:25:13.540
pick up eight dwarven heirlooms in the dungeon.

03:25:13.540 --> 03:25:17.060
little like hammers and statues and things on the various tables throughout, but if you

03:25:17.060 --> 03:25:20.900
miss them, there's a ton in the last room.

03:25:20.900 --> 03:25:27.340
Next we head into this square room, which has the first boss, Baldrum and Volmar.

03:25:27.340 --> 03:25:29.860
And zooming out real quick, you can see where we are on the model.

03:25:29.860 --> 03:25:34.200
We're in this sort of domed square room.

03:25:34.200 --> 03:25:36.660
And then so most importantly, our loot.

03:25:36.660 --> 03:25:37.660
This was great.

03:25:37.660 --> 03:25:38.660
This was a good upgrade for me.

03:25:38.660 --> 03:25:41.980
Etherwisp Bracer, a plus three spell power bracer at a very low level.

03:25:41.980 --> 03:25:42.980
Pretty good.

03:25:42.980 --> 03:25:47.660
As we pass through the other side through another little tunnel to the second of these

03:25:47.660 --> 03:25:54.380
little side rooms, we clear through here and then we go further east into this next room.

03:25:54.380 --> 03:25:57.220
I think it's like a tomb and this one's cool.

03:25:57.220 --> 03:26:00.820
There's like sections with each this big sort of casket thing and in one of the sections,

03:26:00.820 --> 03:26:04.380
the casket is busted out and there's a hole going into a big cavern.

03:26:04.380 --> 03:26:05.380
I need to do this again, man.

03:26:05.380 --> 03:26:06.380
It's like you're outside of a box structure.

03:26:06.380 --> 03:26:08.980
You can see you're in this sort of cave type section.

03:26:08.980 --> 03:26:14.900
It's like molten core style and in here is the next boss, Magnus.

03:26:14.900 --> 03:26:16.340
It's a Baron Gettin's little bro.

03:26:16.340 --> 03:26:21.580
He was not super tough for us, although you know we had a 20 Druid tank, level 20, and

03:26:21.580 --> 03:26:23.500
it still did take a good amount of damage.

03:26:23.500 --> 03:26:28.940
But for us this guy dropped really nice leather gloves, flame fist grips, I think our rogue

03:26:28.940 --> 03:26:31.100
got those.

03:26:31.100 --> 03:26:37.500
After Magnus you pass back into the structure, into this next big square room and in here

03:26:37.500 --> 03:26:45.260
is the third boss. This is plunder. And he dropped for us a male chest, golem guard chest.

03:26:45.260 --> 03:26:48.700
So all pretty nice gear for such an early level and an early level dungeon.

03:26:49.580 --> 03:26:53.580
Next, we passed over this bridge into this area. This is so cool. It's my favorite type of thing.

03:26:53.580 --> 03:26:59.420
I stopped to look around here. The bridge was still in BRD that leads into Shadowforge City.

03:26:59.420 --> 03:27:02.860
Yep. And the two bridges off to the side are just decorative over here.

03:27:02.860 --> 03:27:05.700
and zooming out of the model one more.

03:27:05.700 --> 03:27:08.580
What I like is it's like mini BRT vibes.

03:27:08.580 --> 03:27:09.980
It doesn't throw you into this like

03:27:09.980 --> 03:27:14.260
expansive, massive world-ending thing at level 15,

03:27:14.260 --> 03:27:18.380
but instead it gives you a microcosm of what is to be.

03:27:18.380 --> 03:27:20.940
What you're looking forward to when you hit end game

03:27:20.940 --> 03:27:22.540
of like there's something like this

03:27:22.540 --> 03:27:25.180
is gonna be even a bigger bridge and even more epic,

03:27:25.180 --> 03:27:28.140
but you're starting off your journey a little more humbly,

03:27:28.140 --> 03:27:29.900
but it's still really cool.

03:27:29.900 --> 03:27:30.780
I love it.

03:27:30.780 --> 03:27:34.940
time you can see this big rock section on the model is simply there to create the illusion

03:27:34.940 --> 03:27:41.580
of this giant cavern that you're passing through across the bridge. And that bridge here we are

03:27:41.580 --> 03:27:49.740
back there leads into this final circular room with the final boss Durgan Durgehammer.

03:27:50.380 --> 03:27:53.900
My group pulled him with his ads. I think maybe you can do it without the ads. I'm not sure but

03:27:53.900 --> 03:28:00.140
it went okay. And once that he dropped direhammer leggings nice leather legs. And again in this

03:28:00.140 --> 03:28:03.740
room if you didn't pick up enough of the heirlooms for the quest you get a lot of them and these

03:28:03.740 --> 03:28:08.620
little cubbies around the edge and in one of the cubbies is the stone slab with the treaty of

03:28:08.620 --> 03:28:13.580
understanding quests that you deliver back to King Bronzebeard upstairs in IF. Great idea, I think

03:28:13.580 --> 03:28:18.700
I did. And so when we're here we're obviously supposed to be like below Iron Forge and we enter

03:28:18.700 --> 03:28:24.060
through Old Iron Forge which has been an inaccessible part of the IF model since launch but now the

03:28:24.060 --> 03:28:29.740
door is open and so you wind down through these first tunnels to the lower area and you get in

03:28:29.740 --> 03:28:33.100
in here in the King's Room in IF, now the door is open.

03:28:33.100 --> 03:28:36.580
And this is where the instance store is down here.

03:28:36.580 --> 03:28:38.140
Of course, there's nothing on the other side of it

03:28:38.140 --> 03:28:41.100
because we're on map zero Eastern Kingdoms right now

03:28:41.100 --> 03:28:42.060
for all of this.

03:28:42.060 --> 03:28:44.180
And the portal moves our character to the new map,

03:28:44.180 --> 03:28:47.900
map 3065 Hall of Thames, which is this model.

03:28:48.960 --> 03:28:51.020
And there's that same looking door.

03:28:51.020 --> 03:28:54.140
And this is where you'd load in right in here.

03:28:54.140 --> 03:28:57.580
And so if this was all put together, it would line up.

03:28:57.580 --> 03:28:58.900
This is what's cool, yeah.

03:28:58.900 --> 03:28:59.740
Okay.

03:29:01.300 --> 03:29:04.800
And so there's IF and Hall of Thanes as it should be.

03:29:04.800 --> 03:29:06.460
Very cool, new sort of complex.

03:29:06.460 --> 03:29:07.300
Sick.

03:29:07.300 --> 03:29:09.340
Ironforge finally got the Orgrimmar and Stormwind treatment

03:29:09.340 --> 03:29:10.860
with a dungeon accessible in the city.

03:29:10.860 --> 03:29:13.300
And I guess we got one in Undercity now too.

03:29:13.300 --> 03:29:14.900
But so last but not least,

03:29:14.900 --> 03:29:19.120
if we bring in six chunks of the Dunmero terrain,

03:29:20.380 --> 03:29:23.140
there it is, you can see the new dungeon is below,

03:29:23.140 --> 03:29:24.740
sort of the Southwest portion of IF

03:29:24.740 --> 03:29:27.300
and it would stick up out of the entrance area

03:29:27.300 --> 03:29:29.880
to the mountain, so Blizz, you gotta do a better job.

03:29:29.880 --> 03:29:31.560
Now, I'm actually kidding, they've done a great job.

03:29:31.560 --> 03:29:33.220
I'm actually enjoying WoW forever much more

03:29:33.220 --> 03:29:34.480
than I thought I would.

03:29:34.480 --> 03:29:36.200
If by chance you wanted to see me play it live

03:29:36.200 --> 03:29:37.880
or ask questions about any of the YouTube stuff

03:29:37.880 --> 03:29:40.000
or just say hi, I'd just start it up on Twitch

03:29:40.000 --> 03:29:42.240
so you could pop over there and follow, for instance.

03:29:42.240 --> 03:29:45.760
Oh, 720Zone on Twitch, does he have a link down here?

03:29:45.760 --> 03:29:48.580
I don't think I've followed him yet.

03:29:51.880 --> 03:29:55.480
Boom, 720Zone got you with the follow.

03:29:55.480 --> 03:29:58.640
It's yesterday, we Corpse ran to the very top of the brand new high gel zone.

03:29:58.640 --> 03:29:59.640
Oh, I need to do this.

03:29:59.640 --> 03:30:02.600
So all the new sites, including the overhauled much bigger world tree.

03:30:02.600 --> 03:30:06.280
And then there's a new raid portal up here behind the summit of eternity.

03:30:06.280 --> 03:30:07.280
Very cool stuff.

03:30:07.280 --> 03:30:10.280
I'm also pushing the same live experience as videos to YouTube on a brand new channel

03:30:10.280 --> 03:30:11.880
called 720ZoneLive.

03:30:11.880 --> 03:30:14.960
If you wanted to check that out and subscribe there, I appreciate that too.

03:30:14.960 --> 03:30:16.560
As always, thanks a ton for watching.

03:30:16.560 --> 03:30:20.360
Have a great day.

03:30:20.360 --> 03:30:23.200
Sick.

03:30:23.200 --> 03:30:24.200
Super cool.

03:30:24.200 --> 03:30:28.240
Man, now I want to check out Eishul and River Glades.

03:30:28.240 --> 03:30:30.480
I haven't done any of this.

03:30:30.480 --> 03:30:32.080
So Jeff said something interesting.

03:30:32.080 --> 03:30:34.560
He said, I'm enjoying it more than I thought I would,

03:30:34.560 --> 03:30:35.600
which is cool.

03:30:35.600 --> 03:30:38.760
So Jeff is like, as classic Andy as it gets.

03:30:38.760 --> 03:30:42.320
This morning, I actually messaged Ampey,

03:30:42.320 --> 03:30:45.160
and I was like, yo, Ampey, what do you think?

03:30:45.160 --> 03:30:47.320
Because Ampey says classic Andy as it gets.

03:30:47.320 --> 03:30:49.480
And Ampey said he's loving it too.

03:30:49.480 --> 03:30:52.600
And I was honestly a little worried.

03:30:52.600 --> 03:30:57.360
How would true, true, like private server classic Andes,

03:30:57.360 --> 03:31:01.160
like Esfand, Payo, Ampy, these kind of guys like it.

03:31:01.160 --> 03:31:02.960
And it seems like they all love it.

03:31:04.680 --> 03:31:05.980
Oh, 720 zones in the chat.

03:31:05.980 --> 03:31:06.940
Yo, I just followed.

03:31:09.320 --> 03:31:11.120
I might've missed the message.

03:31:11.120 --> 03:31:13.400
Oh yeah, he's right there, 720 zone.

03:31:13.400 --> 03:31:14.240
What's up?

03:31:14.240 --> 03:31:16.160
Just followed the live stream.

03:31:16.160 --> 03:31:18.440
We're always enjoying the videos around here.

03:31:18.440 --> 03:31:21.080
Cargos, yeah, Cargos is loving it too.

03:31:21.080 --> 03:31:22.000
It's dope.

03:31:22.600 --> 03:31:29.480
I think Pao still loves it though right? Like he complains...

03:31:29.480 --> 03:31:34.280
Like Pao complains about Classic Era, but he plays 16 hours a day.

03:31:34.280 --> 03:31:39.480
Like Pao is a different character, alright?

03:31:39.480 --> 03:31:52.040
Okay, so we have the WoW Forever timeline explained, and the new Skyborne elves explained.

03:31:52.040 --> 03:31:56.800
from Nobble, both more lore style.

03:32:00.180 --> 03:32:01.240
And then the WoW Crandor.

03:32:01.240 --> 03:32:03.160
Ooh, I actually wanted to watch this WoW Crandor one first.

03:32:03.160 --> 03:32:05.560
Okay, maybe the server downtime is fine,

03:32:05.560 --> 03:32:07.560
because there's a lot of videos that were stacking up

03:32:07.560 --> 03:32:09.280
and I didn't have time to watch them now.

03:32:09.280 --> 03:32:11.560
I actually do, so this is good.

03:32:11.560 --> 03:32:13.640
Sweetwater, thanks for the prime.

03:32:15.080 --> 03:32:16.160
Watch your own podcast?

03:32:16.160 --> 03:32:18.040
No, I'm not watching my own podcast.

03:32:18.040 --> 03:32:20.080
I don't like listening to myself talk.

03:32:22.040 --> 03:32:24.280
servers are back up. I don't believe you at all.

03:32:33.640 --> 03:32:38.840
And boy, did you talk. Actually, sometimes can't tell if I'm talking too much in a podcast or not

03:32:38.840 --> 03:32:51.400
enough. Sometimes it's hard to tell until after. I think in this one, I didn't talk at all for like

03:32:52.040 --> 03:32:55.480
20 minutes and I was like, I have not said anything.

03:32:55.480 --> 03:32:57.980
And then towards the end, I started talking a lot more.

03:33:07.700 --> 03:33:09.120
People are saying it's up.

03:33:09.120 --> 03:33:12.320
You're, guys, I don't think,

03:33:12.320 --> 03:33:13.480
if you can get into the game, let me know.

03:33:13.480 --> 03:33:15.480
I think it's just a fake cue, basically.

03:33:22.040 --> 03:33:29.240
There's a lot of conversation and controversy. Oh, controversy. Dun dun dun. Alright guys,

03:33:29.240 --> 03:33:35.400
this is a Cren d'Or video talking about does wow forever know what it wants to look like?

03:33:35.400 --> 03:33:42.600
Cren d'Or is a chilled dude, right? He's not overly negative or positive about the game.

03:33:42.600 --> 03:33:46.560
So I value his opinion and his perspective. We've talked about this a lot. I had this

03:33:46.560 --> 03:33:51.400
on my watch later from a few days. You haven't seen it, but Cren d'Or a lot. He's more,

03:33:51.400 --> 03:33:59.400
He's more of a retail guy, I think, but he puts out really interesting videos about like random tidbits of knowledge that like nobody else would think about except CrennDor.

03:33:59.400 --> 03:34:07.400
Um, so yeah, I don't think he's making a video to harp, just to harp, but I'm curious, I'm curious what he has to say here.

03:34:07.400 --> 03:34:19.400
There's a lot of conversation and controversy about the new WoW Forever graphic styles going on right now in terms of whether it's the fog and the lighting or the character models or the user interface,

03:34:19.400 --> 03:34:25.720
I kind of want to just give my opinion on the whole situation here and talk about what I think because it's a very

03:34:26.160 --> 03:34:27.200
subjective situation

03:34:27.200 --> 03:34:33.080
There's certain people that are like I want it to look as old as possible like actual classic Wow

03:34:33.080 --> 03:34:38.360
They just want them to carry the classic Wow graphics over and be like that's it like I'm good

03:34:38.360 --> 03:34:43.560
There's some people that do want the retail Wow graphics and they're like what's wrong with that, you know, I play retail Wow

03:34:43.560 --> 03:34:45.960
It's fine blah blah blah. There's some people that

03:34:45.960 --> 03:34:49.080
that want some of the things to be retail.

03:34:49.080 --> 03:34:51.980
There's some of the people that just want the old graphics

03:34:51.980 --> 03:34:53.720
but upgraded slightly.

03:34:53.720 --> 03:34:58.160
And so I'm somebody that I was hoping

03:34:58.160 --> 03:35:01.480
that these HD graphics would just be

03:35:01.480 --> 03:35:05.120
the classic WoW graphics but upgraded slightly.

03:35:05.120 --> 03:35:05.960
And I think-

03:35:05.960 --> 03:35:07.200
I'm in that third boat.

03:35:07.200 --> 03:35:10.880
Like the classic WoW graphics but updated slightly boat

03:35:10.880 --> 03:35:15.200
I think is, you know, you kind of get the best

03:35:15.200 --> 03:35:21.700
both worlds, not just straight copied from retail, but, you know, it is somewhat of a remaster of a game in a sense.

03:35:21.700 --> 03:35:24.600
So just copy pasting the old ones either.

03:35:24.800 --> 03:35:25.100
Yeah.

03:35:25.100 --> 03:35:27.400
So that third boat is kind of kind of where I'm at.

03:35:27.700 --> 03:35:33.600
One of my best examples of this that I keep mentioning in my other videos is the Starcraft one remaster.

03:35:33.600 --> 03:35:41.000
If you look at the Starcraft one remaster, you will see that everything here kind of holds true to how it originally was.

03:35:41.000 --> 03:35:48.280
But they have just taken that and upgraded it in resolution, in like pixel quality, like the,

03:35:48.280 --> 03:35:52.200
it just, but it's, when you look at it, you go, oh yeah, that's still Starcraft 1.

03:35:52.200 --> 03:35:53.200
In fact.

03:35:53.200 --> 03:36:00.160
A good example of this, actually, is if you look at classic era, side by side with Cataclysm,

03:36:00.160 --> 03:36:07.480
or Wrath even, Wrath, Cata-ish, Cataclysm, if you look at like the models and stuff,

03:36:07.480 --> 03:36:11.120
It's actually different than the Aero ones, but they look,

03:36:12.680 --> 03:36:15.240
it's basically just up res kind of,

03:36:15.240 --> 03:36:17.460
but they're still the same model.

03:36:17.460 --> 03:36:18.600
They look almost identical,

03:36:18.600 --> 03:36:20.680
but it just looks like a little better.

03:36:20.680 --> 03:36:22.720
That's how like Kata was or even mop,

03:36:24.400 --> 03:36:25.680
even a little bit of raft,

03:36:25.680 --> 03:36:27.800
like they slowly got better over time, right?

03:36:27.800 --> 03:36:30.720
But it wasn't just like they changed the model until what?

03:36:30.720 --> 03:36:32.920
The Starcraft remaster has a really cool thing

03:36:32.920 --> 03:36:35.960
where you can hit F5 and toggle between the old graphics

03:36:35.960 --> 03:36:38.820
and the new graphics to kind of compare and contrast the two.

03:36:38.820 --> 03:36:42.320
And that's kind of what I thought we were going to be getting here with WoW forever.

03:36:42.320 --> 03:36:47.060
But instead, it feels like they just kind of took some retail skeletons

03:36:47.060 --> 03:36:50.120
and were like, this is what you want, right?

03:36:50.120 --> 03:36:53.320
And I think it almost feels like they didn't know people wanted this.

03:36:53.320 --> 03:36:56.480
I even heard that streamers and YouTubers when they were there were telling them,

03:36:56.480 --> 03:36:57.820
like, you need to add this in.

03:36:57.820 --> 03:37:01.720
Like, they weren't even going to have the standard definition graphic options,

03:37:01.720 --> 03:37:05.720
which like blows my mind because, like, it's very clear that many,

03:37:05.720 --> 03:37:08.680
Many people like the old classic style.

03:37:08.680 --> 03:37:10.720
I would say even a majority of people do.

03:37:10.720 --> 03:37:15.040
And so to recreate this game in a classic plus style,

03:37:15.040 --> 03:37:16.160
which they themselves said,

03:37:16.160 --> 03:37:19.080
like this is our version of classic plus guys,

03:37:19.080 --> 03:37:21.920
to just be like, here's some retail skeleton characters.

03:37:21.920 --> 03:37:24.880
Like it feels like they just don't know.

03:37:24.880 --> 03:37:27.800
Like they didn't understand like that people want that.

03:37:27.800 --> 03:37:30.560
Like, it feels insane to me.

03:37:30.560 --> 03:37:32.640
Like I feel like you would have to assume that.

03:37:32.640 --> 03:37:34.840
Like we even see that with the user interface, right?

03:37:34.840 --> 03:37:36.440
a lot of people, they log in, they're like,

03:37:36.440 --> 03:37:37.520
oh, it's the retail UI.

03:37:37.520 --> 03:37:38.920
Why is it the retail UI?

03:37:38.920 --> 03:37:40.440
I want the classic UI.

03:37:40.440 --> 03:37:42.480
And again, this is something that I thought

03:37:42.480 --> 03:37:43.480
was just going to be like-

03:37:43.480 --> 03:37:44.320
This is interesting.

03:37:44.320 --> 03:37:46.760
I wasn't expecting Crendor to go here

03:37:46.760 --> 03:37:49.040
because he's actually more of a retail player

03:37:49.040 --> 03:37:51.480
as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong.

03:37:51.480 --> 03:37:53.840
So if anyone was not gonna say this,

03:37:53.840 --> 03:37:54.680
I thought it was Crendor

03:37:54.680 --> 03:37:57.240
because he's coming from the retail side of things

03:37:58.240 --> 03:38:00.120
for the majority of it.

03:38:00.120 --> 03:38:01.680
So.

03:38:01.680 --> 03:38:06.680
like a reimagined user interface based off classic WoW,

03:38:07.560 --> 03:38:10.600
but with updated HD textures, right?

03:38:10.600 --> 03:38:13.360
Like when you look at the classic WoW UI,

03:38:13.360 --> 03:38:15.200
a lot of it's kind of grainy,

03:38:15.200 --> 03:38:16.720
but it's still got that stone feel.

03:38:16.720 --> 03:38:18.520
And I thought they were gonna take that

03:38:18.520 --> 03:38:21.480
and just do like a reimagined upgraded look of it

03:38:21.480 --> 03:38:24.560
instead of just like slapping on retail.

03:38:24.560 --> 03:38:25.480
You know what I mean?

03:38:25.480 --> 03:38:27.400
Yeah, yeah, I actually think that's like,

03:38:27.400 --> 03:38:30.000
that's pretty much exactly what I was envisioning too.

03:38:30.000 --> 03:38:33.120
And I think a lot of people might be in the same boat, right?

03:38:33.120 --> 03:38:34.640
So yeah, I'm glad he brings that up.

03:38:34.640 --> 03:38:35.440
That's a fair point.

03:38:35.440 --> 03:38:37.560
That's kind of exactly what I was thinking.

03:38:37.560 --> 03:38:41.880
It's like just an updated classic versus the retail asset.

03:38:41.880 --> 03:38:43.080
Yeah, fair point.

03:38:43.080 --> 03:38:45.040
Like, I don't hate retail.

03:38:45.040 --> 03:38:47.040
I still play retail a while, right?

03:38:47.040 --> 03:38:49.280
I mean, and I don't mind the user interface.

03:38:49.280 --> 03:38:50.880
Like, it's not going to stop me playing the game.

03:38:50.880 --> 03:38:51.480
I still play it.

03:38:51.480 --> 03:38:52.320
I'm still enjoying it.

03:38:52.320 --> 03:38:56.520
But I'm like, I do wish it had like some classic visual elements

03:38:56.520 --> 03:38:57.020
to it.

03:38:57.020 --> 03:38:59.160
And my big thing that I've been mentioning

03:38:59.160 --> 03:39:01.880
is I wish it had the classic WoW style,

03:39:01.880 --> 03:39:05.240
but with the systemic back end of retail WoW.

03:39:05.240 --> 03:39:07.840
And it's, you know, like you can, in plastic.

03:39:07.840 --> 03:39:10.000
So they actually did do this, by the way.

03:39:10.000 --> 03:39:15.000
The action bars are exactly what Crendor's talking about.

03:39:15.760 --> 03:39:20.160
They're reimagined classic action bars, higher fidelity,

03:39:20.160 --> 03:39:23.400
like they actually look like they're updated,

03:39:23.400 --> 03:39:26.760
but they are not the retail action bars,

03:39:26.760 --> 03:39:28.920
but they are not the classic ones.

03:39:28.920 --> 03:39:31.040
They're updated classic action bars.

03:39:31.040 --> 03:39:32.920
Who loves the action bars?

03:39:32.920 --> 03:39:34.680
I actually think they look pretty nice.

03:39:34.680 --> 03:39:36.520
I mean, I actually am not using them right now,

03:39:36.520 --> 03:39:38.000
but I think I probably will.

03:39:38.000 --> 03:39:39.440
They actually look pretty nice.

03:39:39.440 --> 03:39:40.880
Like they're not the classic ones,

03:39:40.880 --> 03:39:42.960
but they're updated classic ones.

03:39:42.960 --> 03:39:46.480
I thought like that kind of style would be

03:39:46.480 --> 03:39:50.320
carried out throughout, like kind of everything they did,

03:39:50.320 --> 03:39:51.160
right?

03:39:52.880 --> 03:39:55.320
Oh, you can actually go in and click edit mode

03:39:55.320 --> 03:39:58.280
and move the classic while UI pieces all over the place.

03:39:58.280 --> 03:39:59.680
and I thought they were just gonna do that.

03:39:59.680 --> 03:40:02.000
Like, yo, yeah, you know, that'd be pretty cool, right?

03:40:02.000 --> 03:40:04.640
You're keeping that style of Classic WoW

03:40:04.640 --> 03:40:06.040
and you're able to move it around,

03:40:06.040 --> 03:40:08.400
but it's just retail.

03:40:08.400 --> 03:40:10.920
And I think that's kind of thrown a lot of people off.

03:40:10.920 --> 03:40:12.360
I think that's why some people are like,

03:40:12.360 --> 03:40:13.880
it's retail minus.

03:40:13.880 --> 03:40:16.120
My opinion is just that I wanted

03:40:16.120 --> 03:40:18.880
Classic World of Warcraft, but just polished.

03:40:18.880 --> 03:40:21.680
Like I didn't want it to lose that feel of Classic WoW,

03:40:21.680 --> 03:40:24.040
but I wanted it to look HD and polished,

03:40:24.040 --> 03:40:26.720
which kind of brings us to our next point, which-

03:40:26.720 --> 03:40:28.720
I like how he started off this video.

03:40:28.720 --> 03:40:30.440
It's like, hey, look, this is subjective.

03:40:30.440 --> 03:40:33.440
You can like the modern stuff or the old stuff

03:40:33.440 --> 03:40:36.280
or you could want the old stuff remastered.

03:40:36.280 --> 03:40:38.240
I fully agree with Crennmore.

03:40:38.240 --> 03:40:40.000
I like the old stuff remastered

03:40:40.000 --> 03:40:42.040
is kind of what I was hoping for.

03:40:42.040 --> 03:40:43.680
But yeah, that's an opinion.

03:40:43.680 --> 03:40:45.480
Not everyone has to agree with that.

03:40:45.480 --> 03:40:50.480
Is the juxtaposition of the graphics having a standard look

03:40:51.360 --> 03:40:53.200
and the graphics having an HD look.

03:40:53.200 --> 03:40:55.020
And so when I first heard of the option

03:40:55.020 --> 03:40:57.820
to toggle these two on and off.

03:40:57.820 --> 03:40:59.740
I was like, oh, okay, like that's cool.

03:40:59.740 --> 03:41:00.740
Everybody gets what they want.

03:41:00.740 --> 03:41:02.760
But what I've realized from playing it

03:41:02.760 --> 03:41:07.020
is sometimes when you turn off the HD graphics

03:41:07.020 --> 03:41:08.140
and go to standard graphics,

03:41:08.140 --> 03:41:11.860
something still look like they're in high definition.

03:41:11.860 --> 03:41:14.420
Like for example, I've seen one that people use

03:41:14.420 --> 03:41:17.260
as like certain mounts they've designed

03:41:17.260 --> 03:41:20.980
or the druid forms for the new elf race.

03:41:20.980 --> 03:41:25.380
And I think that is a big issue.

03:41:25.380 --> 03:41:28.160
And I think some people might not care, right?

03:41:28.160 --> 03:41:29.000
They're just like, whatever.

03:41:29.000 --> 03:41:31.600
But to me, as somebody who constantly talks about immersion,

03:41:31.600 --> 03:41:33.520
when I'm playing in this classic world

03:41:33.520 --> 03:41:35.480
and I'm seeing these kind of older models,

03:41:35.480 --> 03:41:39.280
and all of a sudden I get like a high definition model

03:41:39.280 --> 03:41:41.080
that pops up, it kind of throws me off.

03:41:41.080 --> 03:41:42.920
I'm like, whoa, right?

03:41:42.920 --> 03:41:45.760
And it's not like a game breaking deal,

03:41:45.760 --> 03:41:48.000
but it from an immersion perspective,

03:41:48.000 --> 03:41:49.920
it kind of does throw you off a bit.

03:41:49.920 --> 03:41:52.960
And it almost feels like they don't really know what they want,

03:41:52.960 --> 03:41:55.720
or they're trying to please two different audiences,

03:41:55.720 --> 03:41:58.800
which, you know, I think if you're trying to do that,

03:41:58.800 --> 03:42:01.480
you need to have some sort of like downgrade.

03:42:01.480 --> 03:42:04.000
Like I think that's something they need to genuinely look at

03:42:04.000 --> 03:42:08.280
is, hey, we designed this really cool HD thing, right?

03:42:08.280 --> 03:42:12.720
I actually like the owl beast elf druid form thing,

03:42:12.720 --> 03:42:14.000
but it's like, how can we downgrade this?

03:42:14.000 --> 03:42:14.920
You guys like it, okay, cool.

03:42:14.920 --> 03:42:17.440
To look more 2004.

03:42:17.440 --> 03:42:23.080
Uh, like, you know, it doesn't have to look crusty and shit, but like, just make it look

03:42:23.080 --> 03:42:24.080
a-

03:42:24.080 --> 03:42:32.760
There was a lot of people that were linking me a Reddit post, or a tweet maybe, of someone

03:42:32.760 --> 03:42:35.800
who reimagined what it maybe could have looked like.

03:42:35.800 --> 03:42:38.080
Um, I think I found it.

03:42:38.080 --> 03:42:43.960
If it was, um, reimagined to look like it was built back then.

03:42:43.960 --> 03:42:47.040
And I don't know if you guys like this or not, if you saw this Reddit post.

03:42:47.040 --> 03:42:49.620
And someone made this, a standard definition,

03:42:49.620 --> 03:42:51.400
sky-born owl bear form.

03:42:51.400 --> 03:42:53.600
So, you know, you keep the moon,

03:42:53.600 --> 03:42:55.400
you still have some feathers,

03:42:55.400 --> 03:42:57.280
W, love it, love it, love it, W.

03:42:57.280 --> 03:42:59.360
Yeah, so like, I don't wanna say everyone likes this,

03:42:59.360 --> 03:43:01.760
but I don't know if I've seen a single L in the chat.

03:43:01.760 --> 03:43:03.760
Wow, is there still not a single L?

03:43:03.760 --> 03:43:07.280
Wow, this is one of the most one-sided things.

03:43:07.280 --> 03:43:08.720
I don't know that many of you would like it.

03:43:08.720 --> 03:43:10.480
I thought there would be some people that don't like it,

03:43:10.480 --> 03:43:13.200
but this is crazy one-sided.

03:43:13.200 --> 03:43:16.320
Yeah, an SD owl bear form like this,

03:43:16.320 --> 03:43:18.560
I think, like if Blizzard put this in,

03:43:18.560 --> 03:43:21.780
imagine how much praise they would get.

03:43:21.780 --> 03:43:22.940
It would be ridiculous.

03:43:22.940 --> 03:43:27.940
Hey guys, we heard you, you now have an SD option.

03:43:28.020 --> 03:43:29.160
People would be like, oh my gosh,

03:43:29.160 --> 03:43:30.420
not only are they listening,

03:43:30.420 --> 03:43:32.180
but they crush it and it looks good, right?

03:43:32.180 --> 03:43:34.500
Like this would mean a lot, I think,

03:43:34.500 --> 03:43:37.700
to a lot of people doing something like this, right?

03:43:37.700 --> 03:43:39.820
And yeah, something like this, if it ran by,

03:43:39.820 --> 03:43:41.860
you don't blink twice, it fits in the world.

03:43:41.860 --> 03:43:43.580
A lot of it's just a color palette,

03:43:43.580 --> 03:43:45.020
but a lot of it is the geometry.

03:43:45.020 --> 03:43:47.300
they really toned the geometry down to,

03:43:47.300 --> 03:43:48.900
it's not just like all these crazy shapes,

03:43:48.900 --> 03:43:51.820
it's just very simple, color palette, but still new.

03:43:52.660 --> 03:43:53.500
Right?

03:43:53.500 --> 03:43:57.260
So anyway, hopefully, you know, we'll see.

03:43:58.300 --> 03:43:59.280
A little worse.

03:43:59.280 --> 03:44:01.940
And I feel like, I think there's something going on,

03:44:01.940 --> 03:44:02.780
sometimes where they're like,

03:44:02.780 --> 03:44:04.620
well, why would anybody want that?

03:44:04.620 --> 03:44:05.940
You know?

03:44:05.940 --> 03:44:06.780
But you know what?

03:44:06.780 --> 03:44:11.780
I should have given, I think the artist was on there,

03:44:12.260 --> 03:44:13.820
but I should have given the artist credit.

03:44:13.820 --> 03:44:16.960
It is, this was a Reddit post, this guy from the Reddit

03:44:16.960 --> 03:44:19.220
didn't make it, this was a tweet that someone found

03:44:19.220 --> 03:44:24.220
from NateSadeOnX on Twitter, NateSade.

03:44:25.780 --> 03:44:28.380
So that's the guy who imagined it, right?

03:44:29.980 --> 03:44:34.260
But like if you're gonna put in a standard graphics option,

03:44:34.260 --> 03:44:36.940
that should mean that everything you're seeing

03:44:36.940 --> 03:44:38.460
is a standard graphic.

03:44:38.460 --> 03:44:41.580
And that's, I feel like otherwise you're gonna get

03:44:41.580 --> 03:44:43.420
this weird kind of muddied water

03:44:43.420 --> 03:44:48.620
like this looks HD, that looks SD, right? And it's just kind of all over the place. And so I think

03:44:48.620 --> 03:44:52.620
what a lot of people are looking for here is consistency. When I pick an option, I want it

03:44:52.620 --> 03:44:56.780
to be consistent with that option that I've selected. And I think you actually get that a lot

03:44:56.780 --> 03:45:01.580
with the character models as well. I think a lot of these character models almost look a little

03:45:01.580 --> 03:45:07.820
two HD or a little two retail with like, I think the Tarn is one of them. I think the Tarn definitely

03:45:07.820 --> 03:45:10.780
looks a little too retail, but then there's other ones where I'm like, Oh yeah, that doesn't look

03:45:10.780 --> 03:45:16.620
too bad. I think it's very much a like race by race type of thing. There's certain races where I'm

03:45:16.620 --> 03:45:19.980
like, yeah, you know what, that actually looks kind of like a classic plus thing.

03:45:20.860 --> 03:45:25.980
So the retail is just for clarity. They're the retail ones. Like it's not like they tried to

03:45:25.980 --> 03:45:31.180
make them HD. They're literally like there's retail models and classic ones. But I actually agree.

03:45:31.180 --> 03:45:36.060
Like there's some retail models that I don't mind. Like the night the retail night elf actually

03:45:36.060 --> 03:45:38.420
actually doesn't look bad.

03:45:38.420 --> 03:45:41.140
The retail human looks awful.

03:45:41.140 --> 03:45:42.660
The retail gnome looks awful.

03:45:42.660 --> 03:45:44.820
But the retail torrent looks awful, too.

03:45:44.820 --> 03:45:46.500
The retail troll looks OK.

03:45:46.500 --> 03:45:48.420
The retail undead actually looks OK.

03:45:48.420 --> 03:45:52.300
The retail, I'd have to see maybe more of them.

03:45:52.300 --> 03:45:54.900
The retail sky born or blood elf, I think, looks OK.

03:45:54.900 --> 03:45:59.260
So it's kind of like split, in my own opinion.

03:45:59.260 --> 03:46:00.500
Some of them I really hate.

03:46:00.500 --> 03:46:03.700
And some of them I'm like, oh, yeah, actually, it doesn't mind.

03:46:03.700 --> 03:46:04.900
I don't mind at all.

03:46:04.900 --> 03:46:07.900
and then others where I'm like, no, that looks like it's got a

03:46:07.900 --> 03:46:10.900
retailing. So I feel like they really need to kind of go

03:46:10.900 --> 03:46:14.100
through these races again, and be like, how does this feel?

03:46:14.100 --> 03:46:17.700
Right? Like, look at it with a classic perspective to be like,

03:46:18.200 --> 03:46:21.400
does this look like it would be a classic version of World

03:46:21.400 --> 03:46:23.600
of Warcraft? Or does it look like it'd be a retail version?

03:46:23.600 --> 03:46:26.100
And I've seen people online even posting things like, look at

03:46:26.100 --> 03:46:29.200
this frog or this rat. This looks ugly. Like it's from

03:46:29.200 --> 03:46:32.100
classic. Wow. Why would you want this? And I'm like, that's

03:46:32.100 --> 03:46:36.820
That's not really the point, but the point is, it's this visual consistency.

03:46:36.820 --> 03:46:37.820
It's...

03:46:37.820 --> 03:46:46.860
I might need to play that part again and again and again and again, because I feel like that's

03:46:46.860 --> 03:46:48.260
what people are just missing.

03:46:48.260 --> 03:46:51.060
It's like, it's not the point whether or not you think it looks good.

03:46:51.060 --> 03:46:53.800
And if you think that's the point, then you're missing the point.

03:46:53.800 --> 03:46:54.800
The point is the consistency.

03:46:54.800 --> 03:46:56.460
You know, actually, I'll play that again.

03:46:56.460 --> 03:46:57.460
Let's play that.

03:46:57.460 --> 03:46:58.460
Let's just replay that one.

03:46:58.460 --> 03:47:00.180
Does it look like it could be a retail version?

03:47:00.180 --> 03:47:06.100
I've seen people online even posting things like look at this frog or this rat. This looks ugly. Like it's from classic

03:47:06.100 --> 03:47:09.320
Wow, why would you want this and I'm like, that's not really the point

03:47:10.040 --> 03:47:13.320
But the point is it's this visual consistency. It's

03:47:13.760 --> 03:47:18.600
There's if you want to have something look like a retail. Wow thing you can go play retail

03:47:18.600 --> 03:47:22.000
Wow, but you know, I don't want it to look like it's straight up like

03:47:22.400 --> 03:47:29.600
2004 classic like you can take that frog and make it, you know a little more HD a little more polished actually give it like

03:47:29.600 --> 03:47:35.300
like eyes or like a face looks kind of normal, but it can still look like that old old school

03:47:35.300 --> 03:47:36.300
warcraft style.

03:47:36.300 --> 03:47:39.060
And I think that's what a lot of people are just looking for.

03:47:39.060 --> 03:47:43.020
I will say that there's actually some elements they've added that feel like they're a decent

03:47:43.020 --> 03:47:44.600
blend here of retail and classic.

03:47:44.600 --> 03:47:47.600
I think the professions tab is a really good one.

03:47:47.600 --> 03:47:52.140
It kind of has that clunkiness of the classic wow feel, but it feels kind of retail-y as

03:47:52.140 --> 03:47:53.140
well like that.

03:47:53.140 --> 03:47:57.700
I like that because it feels like they blended the two together.

03:47:57.700 --> 03:48:01.460
And then there's the character screen, where it shows all your gear and stuff.

03:48:01.460 --> 03:48:06.380
And that's another one that I think actually looks pretty good, where it feels like they've

03:48:06.380 --> 03:48:09.140
kind of blended the retail and classic elements together.

03:48:09.140 --> 03:48:10.300
And that's really what I'm looking for.

03:48:10.300 --> 03:48:12.260
I really like this type of stuff.

03:48:12.260 --> 03:48:14.180
The action bar, they did a really good job on too.

03:48:14.180 --> 03:48:18.140
I already mentioned, but there's some aspects where they did a really nice blend, where

03:48:18.140 --> 03:48:23.900
it's like, nice, but it's just not consistent throughout the entire experience.

03:48:23.900 --> 03:48:26.740
The mini map is another example where it's not the retail one.

03:48:26.740 --> 03:48:32.180
like it's a nice blend. You can like the mini-map or not like the mini-map. I think it looks okay,

03:48:32.180 --> 03:48:40.420
but at the very least what we can say is it's new, it's not retail, right? And it's not classic,

03:48:40.420 --> 03:48:45.060
it's a new thing. And I think that's really what a lot of people are looking for. Is it consistent?

03:48:45.060 --> 03:48:48.020
Is it just straight copy pasted? Does it feel out of place?

03:48:49.620 --> 03:48:55.780
As opposed to just like, here's the retail window, here's the classic window, right? This is what

03:48:55.780 --> 03:49:00.820
I'm looking for like a reimagined version of that classic style now finally I want to talk about

03:49:00.820 --> 03:49:05.540
the graphics and I actually just made a an entire video going through each zone looking at the

03:49:05.540 --> 03:49:10.420
graphics the fog the water the lighting I'm somebody that loves all that stuff so I've been

03:49:10.420 --> 03:49:14.980
looking at it all over the place and I actually really like that I like what they did here because

03:49:15.860 --> 03:49:22.100
it's a great way to make the fee there make the world feel more alive and more real without

03:49:22.100 --> 03:49:27.060
changing a lot of what the world is right like as Shara stays the same

03:49:27.060 --> 03:49:30.380
Ash and Vale stays the same but when you have different lighting and fog and

03:49:30.380 --> 03:49:36.540
water it really does make it feel like a more modernized version of that I think

03:49:36.540 --> 03:49:40.100
this is another perfect example of what they should be doing like I think this

03:49:40.100 --> 03:49:44.820
is great I even loved it when it was like raining out and the fog was rolling

03:49:44.820 --> 03:49:47.980
in and it was like kind of hard to see or it was like nighttime and you're in

03:49:47.980 --> 03:49:50.900
the shadows and it's just kind of misty and dark and I'm like dude this is

03:49:50.900 --> 03:49:57.140
awesome like I genuinely love that but there are a few instances where it felt a little too foggy

03:49:57.620 --> 03:50:01.700
There's some instances where it felt a little too bright for example. I I agree

03:50:01.700 --> 03:50:07.140
I we were going through a snow zone yesterday on stream. I can't remember exactly where and it was like

03:50:07.700 --> 03:50:08.980
bright white. I was like

03:50:09.700 --> 03:50:15.220
I need some sunglasses. This is crazy. Um, and then yeah some sounds like I wish I had a fog slider

03:50:15.220 --> 03:50:19.780
But like overall bro like the team that's doing the environment is just crushing it. You know what I mean?

03:50:19.780 --> 03:50:20.780
they're crushing it.

03:50:20.780 --> 03:50:26.660
Sample, I was running through Ungoro Crater and it was, dude, it was bright as hell.

03:50:26.660 --> 03:50:29.940
I think some of those zones they haven't tuned yet, so I'm going to give them the benefit

03:50:29.940 --> 03:50:35.100
of the doubt because I was just, I was dying as a ghost and then running places and turning

03:50:35.100 --> 03:50:40.500
the, the, the post death thought or black and white screams to just be like normal so

03:50:40.500 --> 03:50:42.260
I could just go explore.

03:50:42.260 --> 03:50:46.300
And you know, some of those zones definitely had some lighting issues.

03:50:46.300 --> 03:50:50.420
For example, another one I saw was if you go to Uther's Tomb, dude, Uther's Tomb looks

03:50:50.420 --> 03:50:53.260
like those headlights the trucks have.

03:50:53.260 --> 03:50:57.540
That shit was like, I could have got, I think I went blind from going into Uther's Tomb.

03:50:57.540 --> 03:50:58.780
It was insanely bright in there.

03:50:58.780 --> 03:50:59.780
I didn't go in yesterday.

03:50:59.780 --> 03:51:04.980
There's definitely some places where they need to tune down the fog, tune down the lighting.

03:51:04.980 --> 03:51:08.020
But that's one area that I think they're doing a great job with.

03:51:08.020 --> 03:51:13.700
I really love how that's been implemented and I'm looking forward to see what else they

03:51:13.700 --> 03:51:14.700
do.

03:51:14.700 --> 03:51:16.280
to just go over all the weather,

03:51:16.280 --> 03:51:18.860
like make the rain better, make the snow better,

03:51:18.860 --> 03:51:20.580
make the sand.

03:51:20.580 --> 03:51:22.380
And after he posted this video,

03:51:22.380 --> 03:51:24.260
Blizzard literally put out a thing saying

03:51:24.260 --> 03:51:26.220
like the rain is now improved.

03:51:26.220 --> 03:51:28.420
So I gotta, I,

03:51:28.420 --> 03:51:29.660
Crenters in charge now.

03:51:29.660 --> 03:51:30.500
There it is.

03:51:30.500 --> 03:51:32.840
And maybe even have the weather be kind of impactful.

03:51:32.840 --> 03:51:34.400
Nothing crazy, but you know,

03:51:34.400 --> 03:51:36.820
maybe you move like 10% slower

03:51:36.820 --> 03:51:40.100
when it's like a snowstorm or a sandstorm or whatever.

03:51:40.100 --> 03:51:41.860
And you're like 5%, right?

03:51:41.860 --> 03:51:44.520
Where it's just a little, little immersion things like that.

03:51:44.520 --> 03:51:45.960
I would love if they did stuff like that.

03:51:45.960 --> 03:51:50.040
So, overall, I'm still having a great time playing it,

03:51:50.040 --> 03:51:53.920
but I do hope they start, you know,

03:51:53.920 --> 03:51:55.920
giving us some like open communication,

03:51:55.920 --> 03:51:57.160
being like, hey, you know what?

03:51:57.160 --> 03:51:58.520
We agree or disagree,

03:51:58.520 --> 03:52:00.280
or this is the path we're gonna take.

03:52:00.280 --> 03:52:03.320
And, you know, it seems like they are open to that.

03:52:03.320 --> 03:52:04.360
They've done surveys.

03:52:04.360 --> 03:52:06.100
They're just like, we wanna talk to the community.

03:52:06.100 --> 03:52:08.600
So, we'll see what happens.

03:52:08.600 --> 03:52:09.560
But I mean, overall,

03:52:09.560 --> 03:52:12.680
you know what I would like if Blizzard did is,

03:52:12.680 --> 03:52:14.280
you know, continue doing what they're doing,

03:52:14.280 --> 03:52:16.260
because overall, it's working

03:52:16.260 --> 03:52:18.880
and people seem to really be enjoying themselves.

03:52:18.880 --> 03:52:21.080
But on really big decisions

03:52:21.080 --> 03:52:25.420
that they are really just authentically unsure about,

03:52:25.420 --> 03:52:27.580
just pull the community and be like,

03:52:27.580 --> 03:52:29.680
hey, how cool to be a Blizzard is like,

03:52:29.680 --> 03:52:31.740
hey guys, we have this idea,

03:52:31.740 --> 03:52:34.360
we wanna be sure we're on the right track.

03:52:34.360 --> 03:52:36.320
What do you guys think?

03:52:36.320 --> 03:52:39.800
And they actually just pull the community on like a real,

03:52:39.800 --> 03:52:41.800
imagine they did with some of these things

03:52:41.800 --> 03:52:45.320
like Skyborne or like big irreversible things.

03:52:45.320 --> 03:52:46.680
I would actually like that.

03:52:46.680 --> 03:52:51.520
No, so RuneScape pulls every tiny little thing, right?

03:52:51.520 --> 03:52:53.040
Which is, I think it's awesome.

03:52:53.040 --> 03:52:54.460
But that would be different than this.

03:52:54.460 --> 03:52:57.020
This would be more like, let's pull the big stuff

03:52:57.020 --> 03:52:58.880
that has really big implications

03:52:58.880 --> 03:53:01.240
that we're authentically unsure about,

03:53:01.240 --> 03:53:02.520
which would be different.

03:53:04.040 --> 03:53:06.560
Obviously I've been a big advocate for pulling everything,

03:53:06.560 --> 03:53:08.360
to be honest, that's probably what I would have preferred,

03:53:08.360 --> 03:53:09.880
but clearly they didn't go that direction.

03:53:09.880 --> 03:53:13.560
but something like that would be a cool middle ground maybe.

03:53:13.560 --> 03:53:14.500
Well, you know, at the end of the day,

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even if I complain here,

03:53:15.460 --> 03:53:17.540
I'm still having a great time playing the game.

03:53:17.540 --> 03:53:19.080
I'm still excited to keep playing it.

03:53:19.080 --> 03:53:20.320
I'm excited to keep exploring,

03:53:20.320 --> 03:53:22.200
seeing these new zones, trying these new quests,

03:53:22.200 --> 03:53:24.440
because everything else, I've been having a great time.

03:53:24.440 --> 03:53:25.280
It's been fun.

03:53:25.280 --> 03:53:27.760
So let me know what you think down in the comments section

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below, like, comment, subscribe,

03:53:30.220 --> 03:53:31.760
and I'll see you next time.

03:53:31.760 --> 03:53:32.800
Okay?

03:53:32.800 --> 03:53:33.640
Okay.

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Okay.

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So you.

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Cren d'Or, everyone.

03:53:38.400 --> 03:53:39.240
That was solid.

03:53:39.240 --> 03:53:41.740
I think I have pretty much that exact same take.

03:53:41.740 --> 03:53:44.500
I talked to like Guzu, I think Guzu has a very similar,

03:53:44.500 --> 03:53:46.740
like I pretty much all, all the content creators,

03:53:46.740 --> 03:53:48.380
I think feel like this very same way.

03:53:48.380 --> 03:53:50.260
It's like this owns.

03:53:50.260 --> 03:53:51.260
If we're gonna be nitpicky,

03:53:51.260 --> 03:53:53.340
the one thing we can talk about is our cohesion.

03:53:53.340 --> 03:53:55.220
But besides that, this owns, right?

03:53:55.220 --> 03:53:57.340
So, so cool on, in the meantime, guys,

03:53:57.340 --> 03:54:01.020
we got some lunch, that little rice, chicken, beef,

03:54:01.020 --> 03:54:03.980
salsa, avocado, green onion.

03:54:05.100 --> 03:54:06.820
I am drooling.

03:54:06.820 --> 03:54:07.940
Oh my gosh.

03:54:09.240 --> 03:54:16.240
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

03:54:25.240 --> 03:54:27.240
Now the level 30 cap is next week.

03:54:27.240 --> 03:54:52.240
I see the Sanding for the sub dude.

03:54:52.240 --> 03:55:18.240
Yeah, I eat a lot of beef and rice, I really love beef and rice, it's one of my favorites.

03:55:18.240 --> 03:55:27.800
What's my opinion on allowing dead hardcore characters to transfer?

03:55:27.800 --> 03:55:28.800
It's awesome.

03:55:28.800 --> 03:55:29.800
I love it.

03:55:29.800 --> 03:55:53.800
You can even go to PvP now, too, which is even better.

03:55:53.800 --> 03:56:15.560
Have I ever won me one Kellysucks? No. I actually met Kellysucks at BlizzCon, I think. Yeah,

03:56:15.560 --> 03:56:17.560
I think I did.

03:56:36.280 --> 03:56:39.280
A couple hours must mean there's juicy stuff, yeah.

03:56:45.560 --> 03:56:48.400
What did I eat at BlizzCon?

03:56:48.400 --> 03:56:49.400
Sake.

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30 is next week.

03:57:15.560 --> 03:57:24.640
I bought the beta the minute the servers went down. That's brutal. That is brutal

03:57:34.240 --> 03:57:37.560
Preach video might as well watch more. I don't let me finish eating real quick

03:57:45.560 --> 03:57:59.280
Do we have to change logs?

03:57:59.280 --> 03:58:03.520
Not yet, but I can't wait to read through them, assuming they release them.

03:58:03.520 --> 03:58:23.960
I'm sure there's a lot that needs to be changed.

03:58:23.960 --> 03:58:24.960
Eureka nerve?

03:58:24.960 --> 03:58:25.960
Yeah, most likely.

03:58:25.960 --> 03:58:27.960
I'm gonna put this in the kitchen and I'll be right

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All right, guys, I put it in the kitchen, but I also got some more food and an apple

04:04:08.280 --> 04:04:09.280
and went to the restroom.

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So we're locked in and dialed now.

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You know, boat games, things you'll find in.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Mmm.

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Pink lady apples guys I had a choice between a granny smith a cosmic and a pink lady in my fridge. I

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Went with a pink lady

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Very good choice the granny smith yesterday was a little on the mushy side

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pretty

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Out of the ordinary for a granny smith, but the pink lady very crisp

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Mm-hmm

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So happy, thanks for the prime.

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AppleRankings.com is an amazing website.

04:05:14.040 --> 04:05:21.360
AppleRankings.com, the definitive list of good or bad apples.

04:05:21.360 --> 04:05:29.400
Tango is the holy grail? Pink lady is superb? Who's making this list? Cosmic

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crisp 88 and the 82 opal 77 wait word

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ambrosia 70 gala 68

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Where's Granny Smith?

04:05:54.160 --> 04:05:57.080
Granny Smith 57?

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Fuji 56?

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Lady Alice 56?

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Oh my gosh!

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What's the worst apple?

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Arkansas Black Apple 17

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Vominous filth

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Never had one of those Wow, I didn't know guys. What is your favorite Apple I?

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Guess sweet tango might have to try a pink lady. I mean it's pretty much up there guys

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Cheers

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I've seen the preach video.

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Uh, no.

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Why not sub to preach?

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Why am I not subbed to preach?

04:08:03.600 --> 04:08:06.720
What if you never fall behind Nwao again?

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Oh, here's a lot of videos.

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Which one are you talking about?

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I saw...

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I saw a few of them.

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I saw this one, and like this one maybe.

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Alondo just released a video about warriors.

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Getting right into this.

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First thing.

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A lot of people are asking me this Alondo video.

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haven't seen it. Let's finish this apple and I'll send it. I haven't played a

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warrior yet. I talked to Ampey about it and Ampey seems to be pretty happy about.

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I'm curious what Alondo has to say.

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All right, and we're back.

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This is a lot into this video on the warrior problem in WoW Forever.

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Full disclaimer, I have not played a warrior yet.

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I want to.

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I actually was about to when the servers went down.

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That's why we're watching this video.

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have a rage normalization issue that I'm hearing about where you don't get as much rage on

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crits and while being attacked and you're kind of rage starved. That's what I'm hearing

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at least. So Alondo, very high level warrior. What's your take? What's going on? I'll

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do the facts.

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Okay, getting right into this. First things first, we can go ahead and admit the warrior

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the best class in the game in vanilla wow they're by far the strongest dps the meta and vanilla is

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stack warriors and stack the classes that help the warriors so if you're horde you bring shamans

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for them both factions bring druids and one druid one warlock to debuff the target and they kill

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everything for you because they just do way more damage than everyone they are the strongest dps even

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without bis gear common misconception is that warriors do low damage at low gear but they are

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just very overtuned in vanilla they do the most damage without gear they do the most damage with

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gear. A lot of this is because of rage generation. The way they generate rage and vanilla is pretty

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crazy. It's basically, the more damage you do, the more rage you get, the more you can use your

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abilities. Once again, they're the strongest single target, two target, three target, four target.

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And not only that, but they have like strong debuffs through Thunder, Demo, and Thunder Clap.

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Like no one else in the game has Thunder Clap. They're the only applicator. Unless you have

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Thunder Fury. They have strong AP scaling through Bloodthirst. They have strong crit scaling through

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Flurry and Impale. They have a positive feedback loop with their gearing and their scaling. Like

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Like I said earlier, more crits means more flurry uptime,

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crits generate more rage also.

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The more flurry uptime you have, the more you hit,

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the more you hit, the more rage you generate,

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the more rage you generate,

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the more you can use spells that proc flurry,

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the more damage you do, means you generate more rage.

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Okay, so this guy knows his stuff.

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W Alondo for explaining this.

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I was talking to Ampidus this morning about this concept,

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and one of the issues warriors have traditionally

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and the issue that Blizzard is trying to solve

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in a while forever is literally this.

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The more damage you do, the more damage you do.

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The more gear you get, the more damage you do,

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which means the more rage you get,

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which means the more damage you do.

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So everything scales way harder on a warrior

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than it would on like an Ellie Chalman

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or a mage or something, right?

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Like gear scales super hard,

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world buff scales super hard

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because you don't just get the extra crit

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for the more damage,

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you get more rage from the extra crit

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because you're hitting harder,

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you're getting more rage,

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which means you can spend more rage,

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which means you can even do even more damage,

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and this just scales to infinity.

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So the problem is in a game that progresses horizontally,

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if you have a class design like this,

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and it just scales to infinity,

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Warriors will just be the number one damage eventually

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at some point in takeover just like they did in era,

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how do you solve that?

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So that's the conversation.

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Rage normalization is one approach,

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but is that the right approach?

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Let's get into it more.

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And it's just a feedback loop, right?

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This got out of control with world buffs because they gave you a crazy amount of crit and AP.

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It made it just so that warriors were just way better than everyone else.

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Warriors and vanilla are strong without world buffs and they are out of control strong with world buffs.

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Later on in TBC, they nerf rage generation and they increase boss armor.

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So in vanilla WoW, when a boss is fully debuffed, it has really low physical damage reduction, maybe 5%.

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Meaning every hit you do is basically ignoring all armor.

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That means you just have a ton of rage, like you can attack once and get a full rage bar with a one-hander on.

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And this is a bit of a problem because in solo content and group content,

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you're gonna be fighting mobs that have way more armor than raid bosses because in a raid,

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you're gonna have other warriors helping you sundar, you might have a rogue using exposed armor,

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you're gonna have a druid putting up, you know, fairy fire, you're gonna have a warlock putting up curse of wreck.

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Suddenly that boss with 37, 81 armor or whatever now has like 400 armor.

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But when you're in like a dungeon or you're fighting like a single mob,

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You're now finding a mob that you're just doing like 30, 40% less damage to, you're getting that much less rage.

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You're pressing like no buttons and suddenly you're just like completely weak.

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This is why warriors are like historically so weak in classic.

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It's like you don't have the support to generate that rage to press your buttons.

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They've recognized that that's a problem, right?

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Warriors were too strong in vanilla when supported and by themselves they were like very weak.

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The forever devs know this and they've known it for a while.

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They've known it like back in the sod days.

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I think we can all agree that Warrior was too strong in Vanilla and that it needed to be toned down a little bit and forever.

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Blizzard's response to this is to completely normalize Rage.

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So they make it so that all hits, all crits, and all glances of a weapon type will generate the same amount of rage.

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This means that if you have your best insult legendary weapon and a grey weapon and they have the same speed,

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you're gonna generate the same amount of rage.

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You're gonna generate the same amount of rage if you have 100 AP and 5000 AP.

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This means that you don't get rage from parries or dodges or misses.

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And this is like, like off the bat, this is a bit problematic.

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Like it's fine to have rage normalization.

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We'll get into that.

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But to have it to this level with no compensation is a bit of a problem.

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So as it stands now, a fury warrior, you will basically only be able to

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blurt there somewhere when I'm on cooldown.

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You're almost at the point where you can't.

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Like when you first hit 60 and you spec fury,

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you won't be able to use your two buttons on cooldown.

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You'll generate like 400 something rage a minute.

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And to use both of those, you need like a little bit more than 400 rage,

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something like that won't get too specific.

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This means that you're basically, you're never pressing Herok Shrek or Cleave.

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If you do, you're like, it's bad.

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Like you don't want Herok Shrek or Cleave over your like actual buttons

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and it hurts arms even more.

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Like arms won't even be able to press Mortal Strike every time it's up.

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You'll just be AFK most of the time.

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So you're going to go from like one of the highest APM specs in the game

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because you know, you have an off GCD ability that you use every swing.

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You have butters to use, you have whirlwind to use, you can fill with hamstrings.

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That's gone.

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You can't press buttons anymore because you don't have the ability to generate rage anymore.

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this is like extra bad when you know we talked about thunder and demo shot and thunder clap earlier

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now if you're applying debuffs what you should do if you don't have those debuffs up you should

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be doing them it's going to absolutely destroy a rage economy and to top that all off the rage

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you generate from taking damage is like almost halved according to calculations so all things

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considered they they normalize rage completely and they didn't give us anything in return now if

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we compare it to future expansions let's start with cataclysm which cataclysm is where they first

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Normalized rage for warriors in the history of the game

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But in Cataclysm your crit still generated extra rage and there was also a passive like the talent was called

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Blood Frenzy which made you just had a chance to generate extra rage on auto attacks

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You could charge in combat and execute didn't just dump all your rage

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You also had cooldowns like deadly calm deadly calm was like a two-minute cooldown when you pressed it

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Nothing you spent cost rage so you could spam you could spam all your buttons for the duration of that deadly calm

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The cost of Mortal Shrike was lowered to 20 from 30, 30 is egregious by the way, and Slam became like the filler that you use

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It didn't reset your swing timer anymore. It was like another button you could press to dump rage

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You also had access to things like battle trance

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It was a talent that propped off of like butthirst, mortal strike, and shield slam

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Which would make the next spell you cast that cost more than 10 rage free

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Sweeping Shrike's rage cost removed and it was moved to like a one-minute cooldown and Herok Shrike and Cleaver reworked to just be an off

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Global cooldown button. Your swing timer didn't matter. You just pressed it. It cost a lot of rage

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It was inefficient to use so it was high rage cost for like kind of low damage

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Which it's fine. We'll get into that

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I also had the ability in a rage on like a 30 second cooldown

04:17:05.960 --> 04:17:09.960
Which would remove the cooldown of her oak second clean like her oak second clean have like a three second cooldown

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They're shared

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But they're just a pure rage dump and that was a way to get rid of your rage if you had too much rage

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And also they had battle shot you press battle shot and give you like 10 rage or something

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But that's kind of minor that was the compensation for regionalization and cataclysm

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So they gave warriors all of that so you could actually play the game

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You know you had all these things that you either have something that was free to use or you had something that would help you generate

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Okay, so

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Alondo knows his stuff. This is awesome because I keep asking the chat. What do you guys mean rage?

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Normalization and then people give me a hundred answers. This is great insight. This is really really cool

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Bro wants retail. He's not saying to give all that stuff. He's saying that when

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Historically when rage normalization came in for the first time

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they did get all this stuff. His argument isn't we need all this stuff. His argument is if you

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rage normalize, you need some stuff to compensate or find another solution. So yeah, this is a

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great video so far. I'm curious what his alternate solution might be because clearly he started the

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video saying, look, it's a problem. If you have no rage normalization, warrior scale too hard,

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They'll out DPS every other class by a mile, and it just becomes too spammy, whatever, like it's

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a problem, but this might not be the best way to fix it. I actually talked to Ampey this morning

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about this topic, and Ampey, let me not misquote him and just read you exactly what he said.

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Ampey said this, I think it's the only option. Forever Wow has a one-year lifespan before

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warrior takes over if rage normalization isn't in. Imagine if casters had a mana cost reduction

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based on spell power. It's just not a good scaling system, especially if it scales exponentially,

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not log arithmically. Yeah, so essentially that's what Ampy said. So Ampy thinks this is good,

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even though it sucks at low level, because it's going to set up the game to work properly later.

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I would like to see what Alondo has to say about this

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Great rage and that way rage was normalized

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So you didn't need every buff you didn't need every debuff to be able to play your class

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And you could actually play the game in cataclysm now in forever

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We get none of that we don't even get critical strikes generating extra rage, which is that's kind of crazy

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We'll talk about that later. Yeah, that is after cataclysm

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We get miss a pandaria where they actually remove. I believe I'm not 100% sure

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I'm like 99% sure.

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You don't get extra rage from crits and mop,

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similar how it is in forever,

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but Mortal Strike became a generator.

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So instead of spending 20 rage to use Mortal Strike,

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Mortal Strike was free and it gave you 20 rage.

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Now I'm not saying we need to do that,

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but this is just an example of compensation

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that wars were given with Rage.

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Yeah, just to be clear again,

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because people in the chat keep saying like this,

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you think they want all this stuff?

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No, that's not his point.

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He's making his broader point

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that if you normalize rage, something should compensate.

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So my first inclination when someone said,

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Rage Normalization, I was like, okay, well, maybe this helps long term scaling, but they

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probably then should get something else in place to smooth out maybe the low level experience

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for Rage Gen.

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I think that is a fair take.

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I think that that works like something, right?

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So then you have kind of best of both worlds.

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It doesn't scale into infinity, but it also feels nice at low ish level while you're while

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your leveling, which is the majority of the game for most people.

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You also have things like Closs of Smash, which were free, and then you have like low

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rage, like overpower was like a low rage ability. They changed stances in mop. So battle

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stance, for example, when you were in battle, you had 100% rage generation from autos, but

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you gained no rage from taking damage. These stances, you could switch between the stances

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off global. They shared like a small stance global, but you lost no rage. It was purely

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a rage thing. Your Zercher stance, you would generate like half as much from auto attacks,

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but you generated a ton from taking damage. So there was like this little mini game you

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you could play on boss fights.

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If you really understood the boss fight,

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you knew when damage was coming in,

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you could go berserker stance for that extra rage.

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Also, you could use charge and combat again.

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There's a bunch of expansions.

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I don't really remember everything from all the expansions,

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but you can, you kind of get the idea here, right?

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Rage is normalized, but there's other things

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that make the gameplay more dynamic.

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Even in retail, crits still give extra rage,

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like a little bit of extra rage,

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and they also like proc, like an attack speed proc,

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kind of like flurry.

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Arms, your overpowers are free.

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Swiping strikes is free,

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and you get like free execute procs to sudden death.

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And then like every once in a while,

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you'll blade storm, at least a slayer, you'll blade storm.

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And like during blade storm, you can't use any spenders,

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but you do continue to generate their auto attacks.

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And forever, we don't have any of this.

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We just have auto attacks.

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There's no way to scale it through gear.

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There's no free spells.

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There's no procs.

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You're just gonna auto attack

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and you're gonna hope your auto attacks land

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so you can press bloodthirst every once in a while.

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You're not gonna have any rage to use like cleave

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or whirlwind basically.

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I say zero gear scaling,

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but hit will scale up your rage a little bit.

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And then as we haven't seen any haste on gear,

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would haste with to it.

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So I hate to say it, but it is the truth

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that the way Warriors playing right now

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is actually in line with how the rest of the game plays,

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how every other class plays.

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Where you attack, hit a button and you AFK

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and hit another button and you AFK.

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That's classic wow for every other class besides Warrior.

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But the solution in my opinion is not to bring Warrior down

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not to bring warrior down to the rest of the classes in the game. That just sucks for everyone.

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My preferred solution is the opposite. You keep warrior kind of how it feels in era because

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it feels great and people love it, and you bring every class up to how warrior felt in

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era. So by nerfing warrior here, I think it's probably the wrong approach. I think you keep

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warrior kind of, you don't want it to scale forever, but you keep the strength and the

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the rotation, how good it feels to press the buttons,

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and you bring every class up-ish to that level.

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That's a much better solution.

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So people are saying, no.

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I'm curious, why?

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Because, I mean, we've had this conversation

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a lot over the years, and this has always been my stance.

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I'm curious as to why.

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Let me see if you guys can change my mind.

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A lot of people are saying yes, too,

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but I agree with myself.

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I'm curious as to why people don't want a rotation

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as interesting as warriors.

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Power creep, the power creep conversation

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is not really this conversation

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because you can still tune damage numbers.

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I'm talking rotationally.

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Power creep, boom, out the window, anything else?

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I'm curious, I would be curious if you could change my mind.

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The general thought process is

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this class rotation feels fun to play.

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We can nerf it and slow it down

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Or we can make every class as engaging as warrior.

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My take is let's make every class

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as engaging as warrior.

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Can you change my mind?

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I saw a lot of Ls a second ago,

04:24:06.380 --> 04:24:08.900
now I'm not seeing any, please change my mind.

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The power creep argument isn't one at all,

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you just tune the numbers.

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That's a different conversation.

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I'm with you, okay.

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But for everyone that was saying Ls a second ago, please.

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You're wrong, why?

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Critical thinking is dead.

04:24:32.820 --> 04:24:42.820
I agree, I would love to, yeah, I'll give you guys a little longer.

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Anyone?

04:24:43.820 --> 04:24:50.620
I just got back, welcome back, where you'll be fine, yeah.

04:24:50.620 --> 04:24:52.100
I agree with you, Tsar.

04:24:52.100 --> 04:24:53.100
Trust me, bro.

04:24:53.100 --> 04:24:55.340
It's too complex. Can we play?

04:24:59.340 --> 04:25:02.380
Pull them up. What's up?

04:25:04.500 --> 04:25:06.500
Critical thinking's been dead.

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Okay, so for everyone typing L, you have no reason behind it. Okay, just wanted to call you guys out real quick because I think

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bring classes up to a fun level of play is not a very crazy thing to say here.

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But bringing warriors into a spot where they're just where everyone else is at

04:25:27.620 --> 04:25:31.300
is really just making everything feel them. Why do I have experience with this

04:25:31.300 --> 04:25:36.140
specific conversation? Well in Warlords of Draenor what they did is they dumbed

04:25:36.140 --> 04:25:40.620
down every class and there was some OP classes that were standouts and you know

04:25:40.620 --> 04:25:46.780
the solve for it. What Blizzard did is they nerfed the OP classes to go in line with all

04:25:46.780 --> 04:25:51.980
of the other classes and made them all very simple. What was the result? Everything was

04:25:51.980 --> 04:25:59.140
more balanced, but what was also the result? Everything was boring to play. I've seen it

04:25:59.140 --> 04:26:05.060
historically, and I don't want it to happen again. So that's why I have experience with

04:26:05.060 --> 04:26:12.340
conversation. It is a mistake, a very large mistake. I've seen it happen once and I don't want to see

04:26:12.340 --> 04:26:19.780
it happen again. Warriors, fun class. Let them continue having fun and buff the classes that

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are not having fun rotationally so that they can using warrior as somewhat of a gold standard

04:26:26.180 --> 04:26:31.940
because you have a fun rotation of things to press and play and experience the game and interact

04:26:31.940 --> 04:26:38.100
with the game. And nerfing warrior down to let's press one button and making every other class

04:26:38.100 --> 04:26:43.380
feel that makes the whole game boring. Now I know we're not all on the same page but hopefully a

04:26:43.380 --> 04:26:50.260
lot more of us are on the same page. Just have to say it real slow. Cool.

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And this is basically turned warrior into like vanilla while frost mage but you have to be in

04:26:55.940 --> 04:26:59.780
melee range and you don't press frost bolt you just auto attack. You just sit there you press

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You get a big powerful weapon upgrade, you know, everybody knows when you hit level 30 you get your Whirlwind Axe, now you're suddenly, you're hitting a mob, you're getting 60 rage, that's gone.

04:27:07.780 --> 04:27:10.780
The rotation is like completely scripted, there's no variants basically.

04:27:10.780 --> 04:27:17.780
The only variants is, oh I missed two attacks on the road, this is gonna delay my butt, there's by another however long, it's just gonna feel bad.

04:27:17.780 --> 04:27:21.780
The little mini game that Fury Warriors played with your rage bar, that's gone too.

04:27:21.780 --> 04:27:23.780
You don't have enough rage to play with.

04:27:23.780 --> 04:27:27.460
In vanilla TBC, you would make sure you didn't rage cap.

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You know, you would play your Hero of Shricks and Cleaves,

04:27:29.180 --> 04:27:30.220
so you didn't rage cap.

04:27:30.220 --> 04:27:31.220
You never wanted to rage cap,

04:27:31.220 --> 04:27:33.660
but you also wanted enough rage to be able to bloodthirst

04:27:33.660 --> 04:27:34.700
and warl one on cooldown.

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That's gone.

04:27:35.540 --> 04:27:37.220
That was one of the most fun things to me, at least.

04:27:37.220 --> 04:27:38.140
That's gone.

04:27:38.140 --> 04:27:39.340
You just don't have rage anymore.

04:27:39.340 --> 04:27:40.180
And that's a couple of good things.

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That you don't really gain rage from taking damage.

04:27:43.500 --> 04:27:45.980
Even if you did, bosses, at least in classic,

04:27:45.980 --> 04:27:47.420
weren't really designed like how they are

04:27:47.420 --> 04:27:48.700
in later expansions were like,

04:27:48.700 --> 04:27:50.660
for example, like Saffron has like a pulsing damage,

04:27:50.660 --> 04:27:53.020
or that's really rare in vanilla WoW.

04:27:53.020 --> 04:27:54.540
And obviously that can change in forever.

04:27:54.540 --> 04:27:55.940
They change out healer's work and stuff.

04:27:55.940 --> 04:27:57.580
Maybe they add that, but even if they do,

04:27:57.580 --> 04:27:59.540
you're not generating much rage from taking damage.

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Now, after I've said all that, you know,

04:28:01.340 --> 04:28:03.380
you might be thinking, oh, rage normalization is the enemy.

04:28:03.380 --> 04:28:04.700
It isn't really the enemy though.

04:28:04.700 --> 04:28:07.500
It's probably the correct thing to do, and I would.

04:28:07.500 --> 04:28:09.020
Wow, cool.

04:28:09.020 --> 04:28:10.620
Okay, I can't wait to hear what he says.

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So, Ampy said the same thing.

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A lot of warriors are complaining,

04:28:14.180 --> 04:28:16.740
but Ampy and Alondo, I really trust these guys,

04:28:16.740 --> 04:28:18.700
very knowledgeable players, much more knowledgeable

04:28:18.700 --> 04:28:21.940
than myself, especially when it comes to like, warrior.

04:28:21.940 --> 04:28:27.140
So it's like, they both were like, oh, it's actually kind of good because it helps scaling.

04:28:27.140 --> 04:28:31.380
So I'm curious though, what he's going to say to balance out, especially the early game.

04:28:31.380 --> 04:28:35.740
The shock of Blizzard backed off of this, I think they're pretty intent on normalizing

04:28:35.740 --> 04:28:36.740
rage.

04:28:36.740 --> 04:28:39.220
I think it's good for long term, for like the long term health of the game, they're not

04:28:39.220 --> 04:28:42.980
going to have to constantly look at warrior and do this and do that because warrior got

04:28:42.980 --> 04:28:43.980
this item.

04:28:43.980 --> 04:28:47.940
Now they do so much rage, they do so much damage because they have infinite rage.

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When it's done well, it's good.

04:28:49.820 --> 04:28:53.060
Like I was saying earlier, you know how you're weak in solo content and group content, like

04:28:53.060 --> 04:28:54.060
much weaker.

04:28:54.060 --> 04:28:57.060
Like obviously you're going to feel stronger, everybody can buff each other, but Warrior

04:28:57.060 --> 04:28:59.460
specifically you were so weak by yourself.

04:28:59.460 --> 04:29:02.820
With Rationalization you're not going to feel as weak and like I said it's going to be easier

04:29:02.820 --> 04:29:03.820
for them to tune.

04:29:03.820 --> 04:29:05.460
Big example of this was in Sod.

04:29:05.460 --> 04:29:09.540
When they released the Nomuraid, they gave bosses a ton of armor baseline and that like

04:29:09.540 --> 04:29:13.660
disproportionately hurt warriors because now warriors would do that boss and they had

04:29:13.660 --> 04:29:14.660
no rage.

04:29:14.660 --> 04:29:18.020
So if they wanted to do something cool like, oh you know maybe we want Caster to be stronger

04:29:18.020 --> 04:29:22.740
on this fight will add armor to the boss. It really screwed warriors over because now warriors can't

04:29:22.740 --> 04:29:26.260
press their buttons. You're just gonna, you're gonna auto attack, you're gonna get like two rage,

04:29:26.260 --> 04:29:30.420
you can't press your buttons, the casters are nuking the boss while you sit there and do nothing.

04:29:30.420 --> 04:29:33.460
When they normalize rage, we don't run into problems like that anymore. You'll always

04:29:33.460 --> 04:29:37.140
go with the press your buttons and play your class. Speaking of slot, here's a quote from aggron,

04:29:37.140 --> 04:29:41.060
I'll just read it out loud here. Warriors, rage is a problematic mechanic because more damage

04:29:41.060 --> 04:29:44.820
equals more rage, equals more damage, equals more rage at infinite. This is going to become

04:29:44.820 --> 04:29:50.180
more problematic at 60. If we had to do it over again, we'd likely have normalized Rage,

04:29:50.900 --> 04:29:54.900
you don't get extra Rage when you do more damage such as Crit. By the way, this was two years ago

04:29:54.900 --> 04:29:58.020
when he's talking about Sod, and this is currently what we have now. We'd likely have normalized

04:29:58.020 --> 04:30:01.460
Rage in the start of the season and focus on major changes to their gameplay to compensate. Now,

04:30:01.460 --> 04:30:06.260
this is the problem. They haven't given us anything to compensate as far as we know. Like I said,

04:30:06.260 --> 04:30:10.260
from Cataclysm and Mop, they- I'd say this is actually a really fair and balanced take from

04:30:10.260 --> 04:30:17.140
Milondo. I wasn't expecting this. That's actually exactly what I said. Very similar to what Ampy said.

04:30:17.780 --> 04:30:23.780
Like, it fixes the long-term problem, but you might need something to compensate to smooth it out a

04:30:23.780 --> 04:30:28.500
little bit. Yeah, I wonder what his idea is specifically. They give us a ton of tools to

04:30:28.500 --> 04:30:34.340
compensate. In forever, we've gotten nothing. We've gotten normalized rage and nothing to compensate.

04:30:34.340 --> 04:30:37.780
So hopefully, you know, maybe we're like wrong about this and maybe they have something secret

04:30:37.780 --> 04:30:40.980
Hell later, but as it is now, it's looking pretty brutal

04:30:41.300 --> 04:30:45.940
We're not going to be able to really press any buttons here and then I wrote some notes down for the specs protection actually

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Protections looking pretty good. Uh, they were given some tools to compensate shields pick as rage on block

04:30:50.260 --> 04:30:52.820
I think they always had that shield block baseline blocks two hits

04:30:52.820 --> 04:30:55.060
So you don't just get a talent for that and it costs 10 rage

04:30:55.140 --> 04:30:59.300
So shield block is basically free as long as you're getting hit you press shield block it costs 10 rage

04:30:59.700 --> 04:31:04.500
You block two hits you get 10 rage back. That's great. There's a talent that gives you rage when you dodge or parry

04:31:04.500 --> 04:31:09.900
So if you're like if you're avoiding the boss a bunch, you're not screwed because like there are times for example in

04:31:10.100 --> 04:31:13.160
TBC if you get like too tanky you have no rage to like hit the boss

04:31:13.160 --> 04:31:16.420
You can't use your spells. They don't want you to like not in gear defensively because of that

04:31:16.420 --> 04:31:18.140
But this will help when you get like bad luck

04:31:18.140 --> 04:31:22.960
They have the focus rich talent which reduces the spell like all spell costs by a flat amount offensive spell

04:31:22.960 --> 04:31:25.380
So like thunder revenge they buffed revenge like hard

04:31:25.380 --> 04:31:28.820
It like scales of AP now has way higher base damage as a high threat modifier

04:31:28.820 --> 04:31:33.980
And the most important thing is it costs five rage to with focus rage and you can kind of guarantee it through shield block

04:31:33.980 --> 04:31:38.620
You press shield block, you block, it procs your ability to use revenge, you press revenge,

04:31:38.620 --> 04:31:42.140
pretty decent threat. Shield time is 20 Rage instead of 30, like the other caps on Talons.

04:31:42.140 --> 04:31:46.300
Once again, those Talons cost way too much Rage. And Prott warriors are tanks, so you're taking

04:31:46.300 --> 04:31:49.740
damage. You're taking way more damage than Fury warriors and stuff, so you're gonna be getting

04:31:49.740 --> 04:31:53.260
more Rage that way. Prott also has no incentive to play outside of D-Stance, so you can charge

04:31:53.260 --> 04:31:57.580
in D-Stance now. The only time you would leave defensive stance is like if you were gonna mocking

04:31:57.580 --> 04:32:01.020
low something realistically, or maybe like you can retaliation or recklessness or something,

04:32:01.020 --> 04:32:03.500
but that's not really a problem here.

04:32:03.500 --> 04:32:05.500
So you don't have to worry about like, for example,

04:32:05.500 --> 04:32:06.940
arms wants to be like,

04:32:06.940 --> 04:32:09.180
rending and stuff, and they probably want to press world one too,

04:32:09.180 --> 04:32:10.140
if they have the rage for it.

04:32:10.140 --> 04:32:13.580
And then one, one like thing that could be kind of problematic is like,

04:32:13.580 --> 04:32:14.780
once again, the rage is normalized.

04:32:14.780 --> 04:32:17.340
So if you walk up with no rage before a boss fight,

04:32:17.340 --> 04:32:20.300
you swing on the boss and you get dodged or parried,

04:32:20.300 --> 04:32:21.820
and that boss will not run to someone.

04:32:21.820 --> 04:32:22.780
You know, maybe it's taunt me,

04:32:22.780 --> 04:32:24.460
and we don't really know if bosses are going to be taunting me.

04:32:24.460 --> 04:32:26.140
And you have like no way to get that back

04:32:26.140 --> 04:32:28.060
since you're not getting hit for revenge.

04:32:28.620 --> 04:32:30.780
This is just like, this will be solved later with like,

04:32:30.780 --> 04:32:34.940
Expertise and stuff, but it does one thing to look out for arms. I think it's hurt the most by far

04:32:34.940 --> 04:32:37.980
And now this is all assuming that they care. All right guys

04:32:40.940 --> 04:32:42.940
We need to have a conversation

04:32:50.540 --> 04:32:52.540
It is not acceptable

04:32:53.420 --> 04:33:00.080
To to be hating on theory crafters on how to make the game feel better

04:33:00.780 --> 04:33:07.380
That is what a beta is for. That is literally why we're playing the beta.

04:33:07.380 --> 04:33:11.180
As long as it's analytical and you're not crying saying,

04:33:11.180 --> 04:33:13.980
buff my class, I suck, which this is not,

04:33:13.980 --> 04:33:18.780
then there is nothing wrong with valid criticism

04:33:18.780 --> 04:33:22.180
of how can I make my class feel better.

04:33:22.180 --> 04:33:25.180
If you are the guy saying,

04:33:25.180 --> 04:33:27.780
oh, Warriors finally nerfed and they're crying,

04:33:27.780 --> 04:33:33.100
You're you're missing the point. Please go sit in the corner and take a timeout and for the rest of us

04:33:33.100 --> 04:33:39.900
We can continue having a conversation about how the game can feel better. I'm frustrated guys. I'm frustrated

04:33:40.020 --> 04:33:43.340
There's so many of you. I'm having a conversation on how I can make

04:33:43.980 --> 04:33:45.980
How we could how we can make mages

04:33:46.660 --> 04:33:50.740
Have a fun rotation and people are like oh go cry. You're a mage. You should suck

04:33:51.740 --> 04:33:54.800
Go sit in the corner man. Take a timeout like that is not

04:33:54.800 --> 04:34:01.960
acceptable. We can have conversations about how to make the game better in a

04:34:01.960 --> 04:34:05.400
positive and constructive manner. That's exactly what Alondo is doing here.

04:34:05.400 --> 04:34:09.440
There's nothing wrong with this video. He's not a warrior complaining that he's

04:34:09.440 --> 04:34:14.160
too weak. He's a warrior saying, as it stands right now, we're kind of AFK

04:34:14.160 --> 04:34:18.760
pressing two buttons. Maybe we need some compensation to press a little bit more

04:34:18.760 --> 04:34:22.320
buttons. There's nothing wrong with that. If you think there's something wrong with

04:34:22.320 --> 04:34:25.720
with this conversation, time out.

04:34:27.280 --> 04:34:28.960
Dad mode successfully deployed?

04:34:28.960 --> 04:34:30.400
It was, it's frustrating.

04:34:30.400 --> 04:34:31.240
Cause then we were trying to have

04:34:31.240 --> 04:34:34.200
this same exact conversation with mages.

04:34:34.200 --> 04:34:36.240
Now we're having the same conversation with warriors.

04:34:36.240 --> 04:34:38.040
And there's just this hate train of like,

04:34:38.040 --> 04:34:41.280
warriors finally deserve to suck.

04:34:42.120 --> 04:34:43.280
Dude, you're a hater, man.

04:34:43.280 --> 04:34:44.800
Get out of here.

04:34:44.800 --> 04:34:47.760
You know, you're a hater.

04:34:47.760 --> 04:34:49.400
It's like, let's have a conversation

04:34:49.400 --> 04:34:50.400
on how to make the game better.

04:34:50.400 --> 04:34:52.040
Like for the rest of us,

04:34:52.040 --> 04:34:54.560
We can stay here. Everyone else that's doing that, get out of here.

04:34:54.560 --> 04:34:58.760
To make arms a viable PvE spec, which I don't think there's a reason to believe that they

04:34:58.760 --> 04:35:02.800
aren't because they added things like the slam talent. You don't really want to be standing

04:35:02.800 --> 04:35:04.600
still and slamming and PvP.

04:35:04.600 --> 04:35:09.440
So arms is generating like real less rage than fury, like almost 50% less rage, I think.

04:35:09.440 --> 04:35:14.160
Arms has another ability to spend in swiping tracks that costs 30 rage, which is once again,

04:35:14.160 --> 04:35:17.240
that's a lot of rage. That's like attacking for like 8 seconds or something.

04:35:17.240 --> 04:35:21.160
Rend and overpower cause required even battle sense and you, generally if you're DPSing

04:35:21.160 --> 04:35:25.000
You want to be in Berserker because it like lets you use Whirlwind and you have 3% more crit.

04:35:25.000 --> 04:35:28.520
Arms doesn't have Flurry, which is like Flurry is the best talent in all three trees.

04:35:28.520 --> 04:35:32.600
It's by far the best TPS talent you can get and it also increases your Rage Gen.

04:35:32.600 --> 04:35:35.640
I assume, like maybe there's something weird with talents where it doesn't,

04:35:35.640 --> 04:35:38.040
but we can assume that it makes you generate more Rage.

04:35:38.040 --> 04:35:42.680
Another problem is Mortal Strike has like zero scaling. It's just like flat weapon damage,

04:35:42.680 --> 04:35:45.160
which I mean it scales with AP technically, but not very hard.

04:35:45.160 --> 04:35:47.560
Like what, their scales much harder than Whirlwind.

04:35:47.560 --> 04:35:51.960
Like I was saying earlier with the PvP, it's kind of, when you're making these changes,

04:35:51.960 --> 04:35:55.560
you always have to kind of think about PvP. Some people try to write PvP off as like this thing

04:35:55.560 --> 04:35:59.320
that no one cares about. I don't think it's true in classic. I think PvP is pretty important to the

04:35:59.320 --> 04:36:03.800
game. And I think as a game developer, you can't just outright say we don't care about PvP. So I

04:36:03.800 --> 04:36:07.000
think they're going to have that in mind. And a huge problem with arms is it has Mortal Strike,

04:36:07.000 --> 04:36:11.080
which is like a 50% heal reduction. And if they're tuning around Mortal Strike,

04:36:11.080 --> 04:36:14.360
they don't want warriors to be too broken. So their damage is going to be lower. And I think

04:36:14.360 --> 04:36:16.660
I think a way to fix that is you shift talents around.

04:36:16.660 --> 04:36:18.700
You like, maybe you play Deathwish

04:36:18.700 --> 04:36:21.300
and you rework slam into being the spender.

04:36:21.300 --> 04:36:23.580
You reduce the amount of points you need for bloodthrill,

04:36:23.580 --> 04:36:24.420
stuff like that.

04:36:24.420 --> 04:36:26.340
Fury, I talked about the little mini game of like,

04:36:26.340 --> 04:36:28.060
you know, making sure you don't rage cap,

04:36:28.060 --> 04:36:29.360
but having enough reach to the bloodthirst

04:36:29.360 --> 04:36:30.420
and whirlwind on cooldown.

04:36:30.420 --> 04:36:33.060
At its current value, you're basically like,

04:36:33.060 --> 04:36:34.500
unable to bloodthirst and whirlwind on cooldown.

04:36:34.500 --> 04:36:36.100
Or if you are, it's like you're barely able to.

04:36:36.100 --> 04:36:37.180
Roksha I can cleave, you'll-

04:36:37.180 --> 04:36:39.500
So like that right there is probably like

04:36:39.500 --> 04:36:42.800
the single biggest like rotational problem

04:36:42.800 --> 04:36:45.080
is that if Fury barely has enough rage

04:36:45.080 --> 04:36:50.080
to bloodthirst whirlwind at 60 in a rotation,

04:36:50.760 --> 04:36:53.140
and you can't ever actually heroic strike,

04:36:53.140 --> 04:36:56.120
you can't really effectively execute,

04:36:56.120 --> 04:36:59.500
you can't even really effectively get the thunder up

04:36:59.500 --> 04:37:00.720
at the start of the fight,

04:37:00.720 --> 04:37:03.560
and then still bloodthirst and whirlwind,

04:37:03.560 --> 04:37:06.440
then the rotation really gets dumbed down to two buttons

04:37:06.440 --> 04:37:09.880
instead of using thunder, execute, heroic strike,

04:37:09.880 --> 04:37:12.060
and then even hamstring if you're hoared with whirlwind,

04:37:12.060 --> 04:37:14.900
or even Alliance for like extra Rage Dump,

04:37:14.900 --> 04:37:16.300
and then of course the Bloodthirst Worldwind,

04:37:16.300 --> 04:37:19.340
it really just becomes Bloodthirst Worldwind, right?

04:37:19.340 --> 04:37:22.940
So, yeah, it's a good, very fair concern.

04:37:22.940 --> 04:37:24.020
Never have enough Rage for them.

04:37:24.020 --> 04:37:26.460
And one of the highest APM specs in the game is reduced to,

04:37:26.460 --> 04:37:28.460
like if you're lucky, you'll press two buttons on cooldown.

04:37:28.460 --> 04:37:30.660
We're just kind of turned into it like a mage,

04:37:30.660 --> 04:37:31.660
and even the mages are complaining.

04:37:31.660 --> 04:37:33.580
Mages went from one button in vanilla,

04:37:33.580 --> 04:37:36.460
and I watched this little thing, the mages are like,

04:37:36.460 --> 04:37:37.580
okay, well, we have Ice Lance,

04:37:37.580 --> 04:37:38.580
but that's just two buttons,

04:37:38.580 --> 04:37:39.700
and Arcane is just two buttons.

04:37:39.700 --> 04:37:41.700
Like, I think the complexity is a bit too low

04:37:41.700 --> 04:37:45.780
the rotations. Not that you need to have complex rotations, but this is a little bit too far in

04:37:45.780 --> 04:37:52.020
the in the wrong direction, I think. Now, this... I'm so happy someone is critically thinking,

04:37:52.020 --> 04:37:58.900
Alondo, I love you, bro. Holy crap, this is great. Yeah. This is one of my biggest gripes,

04:37:58.900 --> 04:38:04.100
is having recklessness. Now, recklessness is a 30 minute cooldown that gives you 100% crit for 15

04:38:04.100 --> 04:38:08.100
seconds. It makes you take 20% more damage. I think it being a 30 minute cooldown is completely

04:38:08.100 --> 04:38:12.500
unacceptable in the year 2026 when you're when you're in a raid and all your friends are popping

04:38:12.500 --> 04:38:16.260
their cool cool downs and you don't have your button up you're just like sitting in the corner

04:38:16.260 --> 04:38:20.500
just hoping you know just wishing you had your buttons and it also quickly evolves into like

04:38:20.500 --> 04:38:33.780
did they i thought they made um shield wall wreck and uh retail 15 it's 15 isn't it oh they made the

04:38:33.780 --> 04:38:36.380
The other 2.15 but Wreck is still 30?

04:38:36.380 --> 04:38:38.500
Oh, that's interesting.

04:38:38.500 --> 04:38:39.500
I wonder why.

04:38:39.500 --> 04:38:43.780
Because yeah, if you have Wreck up on a boss, you'll just do like double the amount of damage.

04:38:43.780 --> 04:38:46.860
If you don't have Wreck up on a boss, that is interesting choice.

04:38:46.860 --> 04:38:49.180
It's the other 2.15 though.

04:38:49.180 --> 04:38:52.620
Okay, I get to have fun on one boss this week.

04:38:52.620 --> 04:38:54.980
I get to pick one boss to press Wrecklessness.

04:38:54.980 --> 04:38:55.980
Maybe two.

04:38:55.980 --> 04:38:59.280
You know, chances are you press that Wrecklessness and you know, maybe there's a really cool

04:38:59.280 --> 04:39:01.900
mechanic that crowd controls your character randomly.

04:39:01.900 --> 04:39:07.180
And now you got your one boss of the week and Jon Blizzard says, you don't get to play

04:39:07.180 --> 04:39:09.700
this fight and just imagine how bad that feels.

04:39:09.700 --> 04:39:10.700
We've all been there.

04:39:10.700 --> 04:39:11.700
Any warrior player has been there.

04:39:11.700 --> 04:39:13.260
And also I think it leads to tuning problems.

04:39:13.260 --> 04:39:17.140
If warrior is tuned to be good without Rek, then how broken are they going to be with

04:39:17.140 --> 04:39:18.140
Rek?

04:39:18.140 --> 04:39:19.540
Season of Discovery addresses this.

04:39:19.540 --> 04:39:20.740
They address it pretty early even.

04:39:20.740 --> 04:39:23.300
I think Recklessness was never 30 minutes in Saad.

04:39:23.300 --> 04:39:25.140
Recklessness was 5 minute cooldown in Saad.

04:39:25.140 --> 04:39:28.540
I think it was a 12 second duration and only plus 50% crit.

04:39:28.540 --> 04:39:29.900
And I much prefer that.

04:39:29.900 --> 04:39:30.900
And argument people are going to make.

04:39:30.900 --> 04:39:33.900
So it was like shorter cooldown, but it was worse.

04:39:33.900 --> 04:39:36.420
So it wouldn't make it so that you were like a God

04:39:36.420 --> 04:39:37.900
when you pressed it.

04:39:37.900 --> 04:39:40.300
You wouldn't just top the meters Insta,

04:39:40.300 --> 04:39:41.700
but it was shorter cooldown.

04:39:41.700 --> 04:39:43.580
So you can actually be more consistent.

04:39:43.580 --> 04:39:44.420
Interesting.

04:39:44.420 --> 04:39:48.460
Is recklessness being that long of a cooldown is important

04:39:48.460 --> 04:39:50.900
because they want every recklessness you press

04:39:50.900 --> 04:39:53.620
to like be really memorable for the journey to level 60

04:39:53.620 --> 04:39:55.300
or like the journey to whatever, you know,

04:39:55.300 --> 04:39:56.340
whatever your goal is.

04:39:56.340 --> 04:39:57.980
Like I don't completely disagree.

04:39:57.980 --> 04:39:59.380
I can see it as an argument.

04:39:59.380 --> 04:40:02.260
The problem is, you get Wreck at level 50,

04:40:02.260 --> 04:40:03.900
like you're deep into the journey at that point.

04:40:03.900 --> 04:40:05.780
And Wreck is such a long cooldown

04:40:05.780 --> 04:40:08.540
that people are gonna be like way less likely to press it

04:40:08.540 --> 04:40:10.100
because like what happens when you press Wreck

04:40:10.100 --> 04:40:11.580
and you don't get to do anything with it?

04:40:11.580 --> 04:40:12.820
Like what happens, you're really thinking,

04:40:12.820 --> 04:40:15.320
oh, I really wanna press Wrecklessness on this mage,

04:40:15.320 --> 04:40:17.740
but if I press Wrecklessness and he just sheeps me,

04:40:17.740 --> 04:40:18.940
I'm gonna uninstall the game.

04:40:18.940 --> 04:40:20.620
And I don't think I'm the only one who's like that,

04:40:20.620 --> 04:40:22.540
like I think people are gonna be really hesitant

04:40:22.540 --> 04:40:25.060
to even press the button on a 30 minute cooldown.

04:40:25.060 --> 04:40:26.500
Like once again, there's few feelings in the game

04:40:26.500 --> 04:40:28.020
worse than pressing a 30 minute cooldown

04:40:28.020 --> 04:40:29.440
and then getting no value from it.

04:40:29.440 --> 04:40:31.640
Like I just pressed recklessness

04:40:31.640 --> 04:40:33.240
and Frostmite propped on me

04:40:33.240 --> 04:40:34.480
and then made step the way and shep.

04:40:34.480 --> 04:40:37.080
Bro, I've never seen a warrior pop inside.

04:40:37.080 --> 04:40:38.200
This is nuts.

04:40:38.200 --> 04:40:39.440
Holy crap.

04:40:39.440 --> 04:40:44.200
16k DPS is slamming the whirlwind.

04:40:44.200 --> 04:40:45.040
What now?

04:40:45.040 --> 04:40:46.640
Or I pressed recklessness

04:40:46.640 --> 04:40:48.120
and the guy just one shots me

04:40:48.120 --> 04:40:50.400
because I'm taking like 38% more damage or whatever

04:40:50.400 --> 04:40:52.280
because it's multiplicative with perseverance

04:40:52.280 --> 04:40:53.400
and death wish and all that.

04:40:53.400 --> 04:40:56.280
Choosing one to press your button creates more stress

04:40:56.280 --> 04:40:59.040
than the value you actually gain from pressing the button

04:40:59.040 --> 04:41:01.120
and the feeling you get from pressing Recklesses,

04:41:01.120 --> 04:41:01.960
in my opinion.

04:41:01.960 --> 04:41:04.040
I talked about the taking extra damage.

04:41:04.040 --> 04:41:05.240
Normally when you press Wreck,

04:41:05.240 --> 04:41:06.360
you're gonna do so much damage

04:41:06.360 --> 04:41:07.560
that you might just pull out and die

04:41:07.560 --> 04:41:08.720
with your 30 minute cooldown.

04:41:08.720 --> 04:41:09.680
That feels horrible.

04:41:09.680 --> 04:41:12.040
And another thing is retaliation and shield walling forever

04:41:12.040 --> 04:41:14.080
reduced to 15 minutes, which I still think is too long.

04:41:14.080 --> 04:41:15.360
One of my favorite things about SOD

04:41:15.360 --> 04:41:16.920
was retail being five minutes.

04:41:16.920 --> 04:41:19.880
It lets you feel like warriors are bad at leveling, right?

04:41:19.880 --> 04:41:21.360
Like one of the coolest things was

04:41:21.360 --> 04:41:23.560
every five minutes you got to feel like a real class.

04:41:23.560 --> 04:41:25.760
You could pull two mobs and press retail and live.

04:41:25.760 --> 04:41:27.280
I think retaliation is a really cool ability

04:41:27.280 --> 04:41:29.200
and you never really got to use it in vanilla

04:41:29.200 --> 04:41:30.800
because you always wanted to wreck basically.

04:41:30.800 --> 04:41:33.040
Shield walls also 15 minutes and shield walls also,

04:41:33.040 --> 04:41:35.320
there are talents for shield wall to be formed.

04:41:35.320 --> 04:41:38.320
Warriors out there, how do you guys feel about that?

04:41:38.320 --> 04:41:40.680
Sod, I never played warrior and sod.

04:41:40.680 --> 04:41:42.120
I've played a lot of warrior and era.

04:41:42.120 --> 04:41:44.880
How do you feel about a five minute wreck that's much weaker

04:41:44.880 --> 04:41:47.800
that you can use it more often, but it's much weaker?

04:41:47.800 --> 04:41:49.920
This is modernizing the class a bit.

04:41:49.920 --> 04:41:52.600
Let me just, a lot of people seem to like that.

04:41:52.600 --> 04:41:55.000
This is modernizing the class a bit, right?

04:41:55.000 --> 04:41:58.000
like the long cooldowns that are brokenly strong,

04:41:58.000 --> 04:41:59.360
like a lay on hands or something

04:41:59.360 --> 04:42:01.080
is part of the classic feel.

04:42:01.080 --> 04:42:04.160
So it is like a little scary to do something like that,

04:42:04.160 --> 04:42:07.200
but maybe there's a middle ground,

04:42:07.200 --> 04:42:09.440
maybe 15 minutes and then there's a mid strength

04:42:09.440 --> 04:42:12.160
or 10 minutes and there's a, you know,

04:42:12.160 --> 04:42:13.360
a level that makes sense.

04:42:13.360 --> 04:42:17.160
I don't really know, but I tend to agree.

04:42:17.160 --> 04:42:18.960
Like a 30 minute cooldown that makes you,

04:42:18.960 --> 04:42:22.880
it like literally just turns you into a, you know,

04:42:22.880 --> 04:42:28.080
Super Saiyan and then like if you're if you have it you're just parsing that weekend on everything else

04:42:28.080 --> 04:42:30.400
You're just kind of you know that is kind of troll

04:42:31.440 --> 04:42:33.440
It is it's a nightmare to balance really

04:42:34.640 --> 04:42:40.240
Minutes of protection, which is that's great also and one other thing that people like to overlook is we don't we don't really know

04:42:40.240 --> 04:42:41.840
How raids are gonna be designed?

04:42:41.840 --> 04:42:45.120
But let's assume they do want us to maybe prog every once in a while

04:42:45.280 --> 04:42:49.040
If they want us to progress raids and you're playing a warrior and wreck us 30 minutes

04:42:49.040 --> 04:42:53.760
How bad is it gonna feel to like press wreck and wipe and now for like the next 30 minutes?

04:42:53.760 --> 04:42:55.260
You're kind of worthless another question

04:42:55.260 --> 04:42:58.740
I have is like why people want to talk about the warrior class fantasy in the journey

04:42:58.740 --> 04:43:03.380
But like why does it have to be tied to a 30 minute cooldown when no other class has a problem like this?

04:43:03.380 --> 04:43:07.240
Even I think lay on hands was reduced from one hour to 20 minutes

04:43:07.240 --> 04:43:13.620
It's of my opinion that most people would agree to have a weaker recklessness on a shorter cooldown

04:43:13.940 --> 04:43:18.260
Over a 30 minute recklessness with a hundred percent crit once again. That's an extremely opinionated thing

04:43:19.040 --> 04:43:25.280
Maybe not everyone's going to agree on that obviously, but this is a big deal to me. I hate being worthless outside of my rack and to wrap it up with

04:43:25.360 --> 04:43:30.720
Is there any other classes in classic wow with something similar so mage as I

04:43:31.920 --> 04:43:35.120
Hold snap at eight minutes or is it even 10 in classic wow?

04:43:36.400 --> 04:43:42.480
And you could but there's no icy veins so that's just ice blocks. So that's not even similar trying to think of anything else long land hands, of course

04:43:43.600 --> 04:43:45.280
um

04:43:45.280 --> 04:43:50.080
But laying hands isn't really this, it's a massive defensive cooldown.

04:43:50.080 --> 04:43:54.080
Nothing that long, like evoke is 8 minutes, snap is 10.

04:43:56.080 --> 04:43:59.680
I mean, there's, uh, rogues have prep, but that's a little different.

04:44:00.800 --> 04:44:04.960
Feral has 3 minutes, Cirque, I'm trying to think, what's the cooldown on Rapid Fire?

04:44:04.960 --> 04:44:05.920
It's 5, I think?

04:44:09.040 --> 04:44:10.720
Yeah, maybe it is a warrior only thing.

04:44:11.520 --> 04:44:14.560
Maybe a 5 minute wreck is the the the best solution here.

04:44:15.280 --> 04:44:20.720
The recklessness, like the decision to press wreck is never as exciting as the fantasy,

04:44:20.720 --> 04:44:21.720
like in your head.

04:44:21.720 --> 04:44:24.880
Like a lot of the times you press wreck and you do nothing, like you know, and vanilla

04:44:24.880 --> 04:44:29.240
while every auto attack you do still has a 40% chance of glance, even if you have a

04:44:29.240 --> 04:44:32.960
150% crit, 40% of the time you swing you'll glance, glances can't crit.

04:44:32.960 --> 04:44:37.120
Like if anything, whenever you press wreck, like more often than not, your wreck is going

04:44:37.120 --> 04:44:38.120
to feel weak.

04:44:38.120 --> 04:44:41.640
And that makes it like something that people are like really hesitant and anxious to press

04:44:41.640 --> 04:44:46.640
instead of like a cool cool down that like makes you feel stronger and I just like I just don't want to do a 30 minute

04:44:46.640 --> 04:44:50.100
Cool down like if you look at retail Wow, which obviously we're not trying to be retail

04:44:50.100 --> 04:44:52.440
But like their longest cool down is basically three minutes

04:44:52.440 --> 04:44:58.000
And I don't think the developers even like the three minute cool down 30 minutes is just like it's so baffling to me

04:44:58.000 --> 04:45:00.260
Especially since they made it five minutes and saw yeah

04:45:00.260 --> 04:45:04.440
Like I agree like warrior was too strong in vanilla and needed to be nerfed the rage normalization

04:45:04.600 --> 04:45:08.440
Is a good thing if they do it right and right now I don't think they've done it right

04:45:08.440 --> 04:45:12.600
Let's say that the current iteration of warrior right now with its rage does the most damage

04:45:12.600 --> 04:45:14.600
I would gladly do

04:45:14.600 --> 04:45:18.840
Significantly less damage to have like a rotation that I can actually enjoy pressing my buttons

04:45:18.840 --> 04:45:20.680
I just ended this with some suggestions

04:45:20.680 --> 04:45:24.400
It's really hard to make suggestions because there's you have to so you have to keep so many things in mind

04:45:24.400 --> 04:45:30.420
You have to understand that the majority of the player base is not I try to do the same thing with mage to answer that same question

04:45:30.420 --> 04:45:32.520
That he just asked to repeat it

04:45:32.520 --> 04:45:36.480
It's, I would rather do less damage,

04:45:36.480 --> 04:45:39.460
but have an interesting rotation to press.

04:45:39.460 --> 04:45:43.560
What button should we add to make this possible?

04:45:43.560 --> 04:45:44.640
And it's hard.

04:45:44.640 --> 04:45:45.480
It's really hard.

04:45:45.480 --> 04:45:47.600
I spent multiple days thinking about it from age

04:45:47.600 --> 04:45:49.240
of like damage aside,

04:45:49.240 --> 04:45:53.080
how can we make this rotation fun, not just one button?

04:45:53.080 --> 04:45:54.200
How do you do it?

04:45:54.200 --> 04:45:55.640
And it's like, oh crap,

04:45:55.640 --> 04:45:57.240
because everything is tied to something else.

04:45:57.240 --> 04:45:58.740
There's so many implications.

04:45:58.740 --> 04:46:00.600
There's PvP, there's leveling, there's dungeons,

04:46:00.600 --> 04:46:02.960
there's end game, there's, it's like,

04:46:02.960 --> 04:46:04.760
oh, this would break this, this would break that,

04:46:04.760 --> 04:46:06.360
you know, it's tough.

04:46:06.360 --> 04:46:09.000
Not gonna be like trying super hard at end game raids

04:46:09.000 --> 04:46:11.200
and you have to keep in mind PDP,

04:46:11.200 --> 04:46:12.640
you have to keep like a ton of things in mind.

04:46:12.640 --> 04:46:15.440
So this is just like some things that I've suggested.

04:46:15.440 --> 04:46:17.280
Like first of all, let's make Reco 5 minute cooldown,

04:46:17.280 --> 04:46:19.000
just like saw it, make it give less crit.

04:46:19.000 --> 04:46:21.920
You can make it give like 20% crit, 30% crit.

04:46:21.920 --> 04:46:23.480
I don't care, just lower the cooldown,

04:46:23.480 --> 04:46:25.940
lower the duration, make it weaker if you want.

04:46:25.940 --> 04:46:26.780
That's fine.

04:46:26.780 --> 04:46:27.620
Honestly, they could remove it,

04:46:27.620 --> 04:46:28.460
none of them would be fine with that.

04:46:28.460 --> 04:46:29.280
They would never do that, but.

04:46:29.280 --> 04:46:30.800
They could make Wren generate rage.

04:46:30.800 --> 04:46:33.180
So they had a rune and sod season of discovery

04:46:33.180 --> 04:46:35.440
where your Wren ticks gave you rage

04:46:35.440 --> 04:46:38.100
and it actually made Wren like a rage positive spell.

04:46:38.100 --> 04:46:39.880
So like it cost rage to use,

04:46:39.880 --> 04:46:41.800
but it generated more rage than it cost.

04:46:41.800 --> 04:46:43.400
So like for example on like packs,

04:46:43.400 --> 04:46:45.440
you would multi-dock Wren and then you would like

04:46:45.440 --> 04:46:46.640
have other buttons to press.

04:46:46.640 --> 04:46:47.920
They could also just straight up make crits

04:46:47.920 --> 04:46:49.520
give generate more rage.

04:46:49.520 --> 04:46:52.160
I don't really know the logic behind removing that.

04:46:52.160 --> 04:46:55.160
If their whole talk about like making your progression

04:46:55.160 --> 04:46:56.320
on your character slower,

04:46:56.320 --> 04:46:58.320
I find it hard to believe that you're gonna reach a crit

04:46:58.320 --> 04:47:03.400
That's gonna be crazy. They don't even have to make it be double like they could just make world buffs are also out

04:47:03.400 --> 04:47:07.220
So the crit is gonna be a lot lower. One of the things I was worried about with warriors like

04:47:08.520 --> 04:47:12.480
Warriors benefit more than from world buffs and like anything else and with world buffs out

04:47:12.480 --> 04:47:17.540
It would also means they're gonna be you know reduced the most even rotationally if they don't have the rage shen

04:47:17.540 --> 04:47:21.080
And it sounds like this is certainly an issue with normalization. So I

04:47:23.560 --> 04:47:28.080
Don't know my my like idea and I haven't even played warrior yet with something just like

04:47:28.320 --> 04:47:32.660
you add another talent that, yeah, makes crits generate rage

04:47:32.660 --> 04:47:35.380
or add another talent, a little bit lower in the tree,

04:47:35.380 --> 04:47:38.060
or somewhere middle of the tree that's like,

04:47:38.060 --> 04:47:40.700
just helps with rage gen on auto attacks

04:47:40.700 --> 04:47:44.500
or something to where that smooths out the leveling process

04:47:44.500 --> 04:47:45.860
because most people don't even hit end game.

04:47:45.860 --> 04:47:47.860
Most people just level to 60, right?

04:47:47.860 --> 04:47:49.460
So it smooths out the rage gen

04:47:49.460 --> 04:47:52.340
and the leveling process and doesn't break end game.

04:47:52.340 --> 04:47:54.900
Some size solution like that would probably work fine.

04:47:54.900 --> 04:47:56.500
It's generate five more rage or something,

04:47:56.500 --> 04:47:57.980
like depending on your weapon speed.

04:47:57.980 --> 04:47:59.980
I think they can make deep boons generate rage.

04:47:59.980 --> 04:48:01.220
I think they've done that in retail

04:48:01.220 --> 04:48:03.140
and some other expansions.

04:48:03.140 --> 04:48:04.620
I like Blood Surge as an idea.

04:48:04.620 --> 04:48:05.820
Slam is really horrible.

04:48:05.820 --> 04:48:07.020
I don't think they really know

04:48:07.020 --> 04:48:08.180
what they want to do with slam.

04:48:08.180 --> 04:48:10.940
Slam in Vanillaw is a button that you never press.

04:48:10.940 --> 04:48:12.780
A lot of the times, like when I was rolling a warder,

04:48:12.780 --> 04:48:13.960
I wouldn't even train slam.

04:48:13.960 --> 04:48:14.980
It's basically worthless.

04:48:14.980 --> 04:48:17.660
There's talents and arms that make you want to use slam,

04:48:17.660 --> 04:48:20.180
but it's still a 15 second cooldown.

04:48:20.180 --> 04:48:22.660
If Blood Surge proc like some sort of free slam,

04:48:22.660 --> 04:48:24.540
like in Wrath of the Lich King, that would be cool,

04:48:24.540 --> 04:48:25.660
but it would have to be instant

04:48:25.660 --> 04:48:27.340
and like not reset your swing timer.

04:48:27.340 --> 04:48:28.400
They could give you like a medium.

04:48:28.400 --> 04:48:31.640
Yeah, it would be something like unbridled rage, but like,

04:48:34.900 --> 04:48:37.600
maybe unbridled rage just needs to be buffed.

04:48:39.040 --> 04:48:42.120
Maybe unbridled literally just needs to be buffed a little bit

04:48:42.120 --> 04:48:44.100
and then it kind of solves it.

04:48:44.100 --> 04:48:45.720
Unbridled was buffed, oh, was it?

04:48:45.720 --> 04:48:48.340
Maybe it needs a touch more of love.

04:48:48.340 --> 04:48:49.700
Maybe that's it.

04:48:49.700 --> 04:48:50.700
I don't know.

04:48:50.700 --> 04:48:53.240
DM-length CD generator, like in Dragonflight,

04:48:53.240 --> 04:48:54.920
there was something called Skull Splitter,

04:48:54.920 --> 04:48:55.760
maybe some other expansions.

04:48:55.760 --> 04:48:58.080
It was just like you do a little bit of damage you generate some rage

04:48:58.080 --> 04:49:03.320
They could do sudden death they added in wrath of lich king and let you use and execute at any

04:49:03.640 --> 04:49:05.600
HP amount they also added this in sod

04:49:05.600 --> 04:49:10.760
But execute was tuned so poorly and it dumped all your rage that you never actually used it and finally

04:49:10.760 --> 04:49:13.960
I mean they could just make you generate more rage per auto attack, but I don't like it

04:49:13.960 --> 04:49:15.960
Surely they've had a lot of time to think about this

04:49:15.960 --> 04:49:19.520
Maybe they don't want to do it. Yeah, that's my thoughts as someone who's played warrior a lot

04:49:19.520 --> 04:49:22.400
I'll play a lot of classes too. I'll play every class, but people are gonna say, you know

04:49:22.400 --> 04:49:26.320
It's just a level 20 beta. You can't really see much, but like you can see the trajectory, right?

04:49:26.320 --> 04:49:30.720
You can do simple math to see oh if it's like this then we can't play our class. Yeah, that's uh

04:49:31.200 --> 04:49:36.240
It's some of my thoughts. Hopefully some people agree with me and hopefully maybe we can get some feedback from blizzard

04:49:40.880 --> 04:49:42.880
Well done

04:49:43.200 --> 04:49:47.760
Well done Alondo is thinking it's deep. It's analytical

04:49:47.760 --> 04:49:55.760
He's not complaining, but he's bringing up a concern and he's giving potential ideas

04:49:55.760 --> 04:49:58.120
and solutions towards that concern.

04:49:58.120 --> 04:49:59.640
I love it.

04:49:59.640 --> 04:50:04.400
He starts the video off with saying clearly warriors are too strong, clearly they shouldn't

04:50:04.400 --> 04:50:09.080
be half of your raid, and clearly they need nerfed from ERA because you don't want a raid

04:50:09.080 --> 04:50:10.600
full of warriors.

04:50:10.600 --> 04:50:11.720
Obviously.

04:50:11.720 --> 04:50:14.360
No one disagrees with that.

04:50:14.360 --> 04:50:19.880
But with this kind of thing, the rotation is two buttons, other expansions got this,

04:50:19.880 --> 04:50:25.680
this or this, maybe there needs to be something in place with rage normalization.

04:50:25.680 --> 04:50:26.680
I love it.

04:50:26.680 --> 04:50:27.680
Well done Alondo.

04:50:27.680 --> 04:50:28.680
Well done.

04:50:28.680 --> 04:50:32.760
AMPy said about the same thing too.

04:50:32.760 --> 04:50:34.720
Very well done.

04:50:34.720 --> 04:50:36.000
Link the video so we can like it.

04:50:36.000 --> 04:50:37.000
Here we go.

04:50:37.000 --> 04:50:38.000
Sure.

04:50:38.000 --> 04:50:42.960
Could tie rage to the character level?

04:50:42.960 --> 04:50:46.960
Uh, maybe. I think just buffing on Pridal Wrath makes a lot of sense.

04:50:46.960 --> 04:50:48.960
That might be, like, too simple.

04:50:52.960 --> 04:50:57.960
Uh, Dany says, Prout Warriors, Gen Rage, based on blocks, a little scale-hard with block rating.

04:50:57.960 --> 04:50:59.960
Okay. Got a 10-dollar Super Chat from Freedom saying,

04:50:59.960 --> 04:51:05.960
What if they spread gear sets out among different aspects of the game, like helmet and boots are from one raid,

04:51:05.960 --> 04:51:07.960
chest and legs are from another, then gloves and shoulders?

04:51:07.960 --> 04:51:10.960
They kind of did that in Sod. They kind of did that in Sod.

04:51:10.960 --> 04:51:14.720
So we'll see. I see. Thanks for the Prime. Normalize Rage plus give them buffs elsewhere,

04:51:14.720 --> 04:51:18.080
so they don't scale to infinity. Easy answer. Exactly. Yep, I agree with that.

04:51:18.720 --> 04:51:22.320
Nimbus, thanks for the Prime. I feel like Normalize Rage, but with Crit still giving bonus Rage,

04:51:22.320 --> 04:51:25.280
and maybe some tweaked Rage Costions, you can still press the T number of buttons,

04:51:25.280 --> 04:51:29.120
it's probably the best way. Yeah, I think we're like most of us are on the same page here. Yeah.

04:51:32.880 --> 04:51:33.360
Cool.

04:51:38.320 --> 04:51:39.120
Cool, cool, cool.

04:51:40.960 --> 04:51:47.500
We got a $10 donation from Post-Conadist saying thank you, Zara, for holding the line in the

04:51:47.500 --> 04:51:49.100
Wow Forever podcast.

04:51:49.100 --> 04:51:53.540
Really appreciate you speaking honestly for the things that identify classic as classic,

04:51:53.540 --> 04:51:55.100
like the UI and the models.

04:51:55.100 --> 04:51:56.100
Thanks, man.

04:51:56.100 --> 04:51:57.100
I'm trying.

04:51:57.100 --> 04:52:00.340
I'm trying to hold the line in the things that are important for me and I know important

04:52:00.340 --> 04:52:01.340
for a lot of others.

04:52:01.340 --> 04:52:02.340
So I'm trying my best.

04:52:02.340 --> 04:52:06.340
We got a $5 donut from Boltz saying I'm not a betting man and I'm willing to bet my retirement

04:52:06.340 --> 04:52:10.660
that they screw this class, their OP, let them rot, crowd, I'll play Druids.

04:52:10.660 --> 04:52:13.880
My proposal is to add a cockroach form to the druid kit

04:52:14.920 --> 04:52:16.920
That's okay. He's obviously kidding

04:52:18.700 --> 04:52:20.700
Be your parent thanks for the two ones up man

04:52:27.440 --> 04:52:30.000
Can you put me in timeout even though I'm a good little boy

04:52:33.600 --> 04:52:35.600
What

04:52:38.120 --> 04:52:40.120
Okay

04:52:40.660 --> 04:52:41.500
What is the podcast?

04:52:41.500 --> 04:52:44.300
We are the Warcraft podcast.

04:52:44.300 --> 04:52:45.700
It's on the Warcraft channel.

04:52:52.300 --> 04:52:54.020
Watching the podcast with you and the devs,

04:52:54.020 --> 04:52:56.820
boy, you got really read when the classic UI topic came up.

04:52:56.820 --> 04:52:59.860
Well, it's because I've told them like a hundred times,

04:52:59.860 --> 04:53:01.860
you know, they know my opinion there,

04:53:01.860 --> 04:53:03.540
but then they asked my opinion and I'm like,

04:53:03.540 --> 04:53:05.900
well, you guys already know, but I'll say it again.

04:53:10.660 --> 04:53:28.260
Um, all right, it's forever down, yeah, it's down.

04:53:28.260 --> 04:53:29.940
What's my opinion?

04:53:29.940 --> 04:53:34.260
Someone in the chat can tell you, I'm sorry, I'm, I'm, I'm tired of telling my opinion

04:53:34.260 --> 04:53:39.380
because everything, every time I do, like everyone's just like, oh, not this again.

04:53:39.380 --> 04:53:44.820
Honestly, I feel the same way. I'm like, oh, I've said it like thousands of times not this again

04:53:50.660 --> 04:53:53.560
Have you seen farmers suggestions so I may just yeah, they're actually pretty good

04:53:56.020 --> 04:54:01.100
Where did you find this video you guys spam linked it to me it's uh here I'll link it again salon those channel

04:54:09.380 --> 04:54:20.180
Brioche. Brioche bread is really, really toasty, really nice, really, really amazing. Tony,

04:54:20.180 --> 04:54:24.620
thanks for the prom. Can you please clarify your stance on the UI issue and wow, smiley

04:54:24.620 --> 04:54:30.780
face? Nice. Hammerfall, thanks for the prom, dude. What do you mean they're working on

04:54:30.780 --> 04:54:35.020
a new build? It's like a patch, I think. I don't know what the technical difference is,

04:54:35.020 --> 04:54:53.520
But yeah, they're working on the next iteration, okay.

04:54:53.520 --> 04:54:55.720
I'm gonna start crying if we don't get in soon.

04:54:55.720 --> 04:55:04.440
They said that it'll take at least a few hours and that was one hour ago.

04:55:04.440 --> 04:55:08.480
an hour 14 minutes ago, it should take a couple of hours.

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So, that's where we're at.

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Whoa, I have to know, I don't think we have any yet.

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There are a lot of videos I still wanted to watch though.

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Hello everyone.

04:55:30.320 --> 04:55:32.920
Whoa, that was not weird.

04:55:32.920 --> 04:55:34.400
Hello everyone.

04:55:34.400 --> 04:55:36.440
Hello, everyone.

04:55:36.440 --> 04:55:39.360
Yeah, it sounded like, I thought my earphones were breaking.

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This is Wow Forever's Timeline Explained from Novel.

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Novel does a lot of retail lore stuff.

04:55:45.360 --> 04:55:47.160
He's like the lore guy,

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and he's been very helpful in the past.

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When I tried to understand the retail lore

04:55:52.160 --> 04:55:53.560
like a year ago or two years ago,

04:55:53.560 --> 04:55:54.520
I was like, what's going on?

04:55:54.520 --> 04:55:56.160
I watched a bunch of his videos,

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and I mean, honestly, I was actually still confused

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because retail lore is crazy,

04:56:00.480 --> 04:56:04.040
but classic lore is a lot simpler,

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And this is about some plastic lore stuff, so let's check it out.

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In the Warcraft universe, there is the main timeline.

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The Bronze Dragonflight has been charged with the task of keeping the purity of time.

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Prove without the truth of time as it is meant to unfold.

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More will be lost that you can possibly imagine, at least according to the Titans.

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Have you ever questioned what the Titans preserve this timeline?

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It is not to say alternate realities, alternate timelines, where things have gone slightly

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different or massively different do not exist.

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In fact, there are trillions and trillions of timelines out there, alternate realities

04:56:46.040 --> 04:56:48.700
that exist in parallel to ours.

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Some of these realities may be wildly different, others may bear similarities to the world

04:56:53.880 --> 04:56:58.480
you and I know, different in only a few small details.

04:56:58.480 --> 04:57:02.720
This has been used in the Warcraft story to various degrees since forever.

04:57:02.720 --> 04:57:04.360
Haha, get it?

04:57:04.360 --> 04:57:09.380
There was once a story with a reality in which Thrall never liberated himself from Black

04:57:09.380 --> 04:57:13.840
Mors control and he became the warchief of the Horde that his human master wanted him

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to be.

04:57:14.840 --> 04:57:19.760
There's a whole movie canon universe that they built up for the Warcraft movie, meaning

04:57:19.760 --> 04:57:24.640
that someone like Dirtan has like three different versions of his story, one that's for the

04:57:24.640 --> 04:57:28.840
The movie won for Wallace Draenor and won for the main timeline.

04:57:28.840 --> 04:57:33.200
Speaking of the expansion Wallace Draenor, it showed us the timeline which was already

04:57:33.200 --> 04:57:34.860
slightly different.

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For example Garrosh was not born which is why they picked it.

04:57:39.080 --> 04:57:44.480
So they could slide in there and cause more changes, forming the iron horde and turning

04:57:44.480 --> 04:57:46.320
the dark portal red.

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And let's not forget about the universe where we're all murlocs or the timeline in which

04:57:51.000 --> 04:57:56.400
Queen Alessand of the Nightborne has knowledge of the future and left her timeline.

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Alternate realities, alternate storylines have been a thing in the Warcraft story for

04:58:01.000 --> 04:58:06.320
the longest of times, and that is how they are treating the story of World of Warcraft

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Forever as well.

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The million gold question I'm sure a lot of people have when it comes to WoW Forever

04:58:13.000 --> 04:58:18.680
is how does it fit into the larger WoW continuity and timeline?

04:58:18.680 --> 04:58:24.240
the short answer is that WoW Forever does not exist in the same continuity as modern

04:58:24.240 --> 04:58:26.040
World of Warcraft.

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They pretty much had to do this, right, to have any creative freedom and not just retcon

04:58:31.680 --> 04:58:34.440
and this and that.

04:58:34.440 --> 04:58:35.760
It was the choice, right?

04:58:35.760 --> 04:58:37.200
They pretty much had to.

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Metzen likes to call this our little time bubble.

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So why do we do this?

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Well, the main impetus of this approach is to ensure that we have the creative freedom

04:58:46.840 --> 04:58:51.720
to do what we want to do with the game without creating problematic situations that require

04:58:51.720 --> 04:58:54.200
a direct response in the modern game.

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Which has me personally really excited.

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I play Classic the Death back in the day.

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Seeing them take that foundation and building upon it with new twists and what if moments

04:59:04.360 --> 04:59:07.240
has endless potential and possibilities.

04:59:07.240 --> 04:59:12.320
Whether being its own bubble, its own timeline, its own reality, they won't have to worry

04:59:12.320 --> 04:59:14.320
about ramifications.

04:59:14.320 --> 04:59:19.840
20 plus years of established storyline crumbling in their hands because they wanted to try

04:59:19.840 --> 04:59:22.400
something new in Forever.

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Very similar to how they treated Seasonal Discovery, which led to some super interesting

04:59:27.240 --> 04:59:31.400
stories like diving deeper in the Ashbringer storyline.

04:59:31.400 --> 04:59:36.400
While Forever is going to be its own thing, but time and again during the presentations

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they make mention that they don't think or they don't want to make massive drastic changes.

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they won't suddenly turn Jaina into a dreadlord for example.

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We aren't going to suddenly say, in this universe Jaina was a dreadlord all along, or Arthas

04:59:50.720 --> 04:59:53.040
never became the Lich King.

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Our approach to the new stories we add is to paint inside the lines of established foundational

04:59:58.560 --> 05:00:04.800
lore as much as possible, but also to build on what comes next in a way that makes sense

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first and foremost, for a while forever.

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Which, personally, I wonder why not.

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Be brave, be bold, the rule of cool has dictated Warcraft story telling since forever.

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If the answer to wouldn't be cool if leads to a drastic change in direction for the story

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known, after the major story piece had been played out, while maintaining Divider Classic,

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I personally would be all for it.

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But I can imagine that we're at the start right now, they don't want to rock the boat

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too much right from the get go.

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We do still have the story of classic to playthrough, some from the start I can imagine, but who

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knows what the future is going to bring, right?

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As for a reason as to why this alternate timeline, this universe exists, they could give an in-game

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and in-universe explanation.

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Similar to what they've done with Remix, where we see the infinite dragonflight cruise the

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timeways and do research, they could give an explanation as to why WoW forever exists,

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but at the same time they absolutely don't have to.

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Season of Discovery, they just on the outside told us like we're doing our own thing, don't

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worry about the main canon, this is Season of Discovery is its own thing, and I would

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be perfectly fine if WoW Forever does the same, but maybe there could be a cool reasoning

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as to why this timeline popped up and what is going on.

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I have witnessed the true end time.

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This is a blessing you simply cannot comprehend.

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The beta opened up yesterday and is going to be locked to level 20 at the start and

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then later on there will be level 30, so hopefully those last 30 levels, so from 30 to 60, that

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is going to be storylines and adventures and quests that is going to be a surprise for everybody

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when the game goes live.

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That said, we already know some of the changes that forever is going to present.

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The sky people are a great example, highborn, lifted up in place within the elemental plane

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of air known as Skywall.

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They already been hanging out for thousands of years and we all know that if you introduce

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elves to a different power source, changes are bound to happen.

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Or as shown in the cinematic, the protective bubble around Dalaran has already come down.

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What is going on in the city within this timeline?

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Or what if we would venture down below Eid al-Fordj?

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The possibilities and potentials are endless.

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I've heard the feedback about whether or not that makes all of this storyline pointless,

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Like if it's not part of the main timeline and doesn't have effect on it, then why should

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we care?

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Now everybody will have their own opinion on that one, to me personally, I care for this

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universe.

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Just because it's not part of the main timeline, does not mean that it can't present an amazing

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ride, an amazing storytelling with effects on that universe, while at the same time retail

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will still have it's own story to tell, with it's own twists and turns and I soon a North

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friend.

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They are presenting WoW forever as a thing that they want to keep going forever.

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So I see it as more story of Warcraft.

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If you know just a little asterisk on the side.

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This being the lore for WoW forever as we have the lore for the WoW main timeline, though

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we could work on the naming schemes I suppose.

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But we also had the lore of alternate Draenor or the lore for the Warcraft movie.

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It all has its own little compartments which yes is going to make for a really interesting

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time to remember it all and comparsalize what we know and what they're telling it forever.

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But the potential has me so excited though.

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They've already brought up examples like the brotherhood of the horse.

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And if that makes you go, who are those centaur?

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Yeah, exactly.

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Same here.

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They are a thing from Warcraft 1 and 2 and they remembered it.

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We've been spitballing ideas during stream.

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What if they'd flesh out Moira's involvement from Blackrock Mountain?

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What if they would finish Iranicus' storyline from the Sunken Temple?

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What if the gnomes would try to retake Morgagon earlier, or again the Ashbringer storyline

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that they did in Season of Discovery, or maybe venture into the dream or the elemental planes

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or flesh out the Thunderfury questline?

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There is so much potential to build upon the bones of Warcraft Classic, but only time is

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going to tell how all of that is going to play out.

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We have forever and forever starts today with a beta.

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For those that asked, I will be covering the story on the channel, at least in the beginning,

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at least for as long as I'm enjoying myself at the game, while also keeping up with the

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story of retail, of course, that is not being dropped.

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So yeah, more Warcraft of Lore, imagine my excitement.

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For now though, thank you very much for watching everybody, subscribe if that has you excited

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as well, leave a like on this one if you enjoy it, and until next time, see ya!

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Guess we knew that I didn't know what I was expecting because we don't really know anything about the game yet

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So quickly tell us anything. We didn't already know which I guess I should have known

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But it was cool to hear novels say it there we go

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nice

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Check on show back how show back doing

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This guy looks like Bart sick sim some nice server still down yes

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Yes, yes, yes

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It's already a kickflip. I actually don't think I've ever landed a kickflip in my life

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Pay a roommate story was this

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My very first roommate was one of my best friend and this guy he was Libby shaving his ass every like two weeks

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I'm sorry, but

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That why did you link this? Why why did you link this? What's the point here?

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here. Why, why was pay hotel what, what? I am, because he says that he liked to take

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your shit with. I was going to give it another second and I did and that's about it. Can't

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go past that. Unbelievable. Falcon. Wow. Thank you very much for the raid. You rock.

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Check on show back

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And I can't believe I got the honor to be able to meet so many of you guys

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Yeah, I can't listen because it's DMCA music crap

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Do you watch the Ziko clip about the new sword?

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No, I'm curious though.

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Doom King, thanks for the prompt.

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Take all things in moderation, even World of Warcraft.

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you see at the Ziko clip I'll check it out. I'm a Silver Lane sword yeah I would

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definitely take a look. Have you looked at TBC population from the 16th to the

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22nd? I did but that was like last. Oh! It updated! Oh! 50% hit in a week! Oh my god!

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Oh my gosh, it updated.

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Wow.

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Boom, it cut in half.

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I mean, what are we expecting?

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Of course that's gonna happen, but like, whoa, it happened.

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Wow.

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So next week, we could probably expect another, what, 30% maybe 20% and then it's just gonna

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go boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, like it's gonna be rough that I mean, it kind

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of sucks, but it's like it's bound to happen.

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If you release classic plus and it doesn't suck, then it's gonna kill every other version

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of classic.

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That's a side effect under 100k by next week.

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I don't know if it'll be that sharp of a fall off, but yeah, it'll go down fast.

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How many of your guys's TBC raids are still going every week and how many are just, there's

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not enough people logging in now, people are waiting for forever, it's jeez.

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I fell apart, ours quit, ours done, mine stopped, stopped, zero out of three, Gigi canceled.

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Wow.

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My entire guild nearly imploded, wow.

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I did Black Temple once, then called it Gigi.

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We gave up, wrapped ours up, we disbanded our guild, guild disbanded, wow.

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Wow.

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Mop is down to 27,000 weekly raiders.

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That is low.

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That is low.

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is low. Wow. Era. Era is at 16,000 weekly Raiders, which isn't that bad considering

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Era has been going for like years at this point. And Era is a lot about leveling and

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not rating but you know still very low. And then season of discovery is at 2000 which

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is which is low. This is available for retail now. That's the Ziko clip.

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imagine as as beautiful as possible right then I'm imagining myself right I'm going up I'm going

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to the priest right I'm walking right into him boom I know by him he dispels it I swing my massive

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sword right boom 32 damage absorbed then I get feared into an elite crocodile in strangled torn

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veil and then that crocodile and that priest take turns with my asshole the way no one ever has

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before and then again I'm waking up at the same place the graveyard my screen is completely gray

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and I'm wondering why the fuck did I listen to some dumbass video and make a battlemage

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Then I'm imagining myself against the warlock right and I'm walking up to that

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Prozik is not holding any punches. Oh my gosh

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So I said the same thing in a much different way that like I love this guy for making this video. I

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Really do I love the imagination. I love the theory crafting but like

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Like, what I said is like, imagine walking up to a warrior as a mage and you're trying

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to like know for them into an auto attack and they're just, they just rip you to shreds.

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Like it's, it's not going to work, you know, unless they redesign like everything, which

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hey, maybe they do.

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Maybe they do.

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Who knows?

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And then, you know, maybe that's possible, but like as of right now, no, it's, it's kind

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of silly, you know, definitely very silly.

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Um, um, um, um.

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Link the cliff, okay. Yeah, that was hilarious, bro. I'm gonna link that to Ziko.

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So funny, bro.

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Um

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Dude

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I

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Hey, I'm realizing the true face of the

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No

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It's an easy port, more classic one.

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Can I even kill two Syrians?

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Yeah, I'm gonna kill them.

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I'm gonna use that health bar.

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I can't- Oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no!

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I'm dead!

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I'm actually-

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Oh my god.

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Oh, that sucks.

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Which is hard for me to me.

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The closest thing you can get to playing the game back in 2004.

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Oh!

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Four forces you to go slow, enjoy the process, not just go, go, go, do all your chores and log off, but let me just...

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Oh my god!

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True.

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Oh!

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That's the clip. He never even said anything.

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Are you truing yourself?

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Yeah, that guy knows what he's talking about. Yeah, I will say that 100% knows what he's talking about

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Baronson thinks of the prime hacks thinks of the prime as I think the prime doom thinks the prime

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I'm

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Going back to classic era guys

05:14:47.720 --> 05:14:54.080
You only have one shirt no I have like five of these well it it's five of the of the same one shirt

05:14:54.840 --> 05:15:01.840
So, I mean, yes, it's the same, it's a different shirt of the same shirt.

05:15:24.840 --> 05:15:35.120
Can I ask an unpopular question? Why is scaling to infinity a problem? The whole purpose of

05:15:35.120 --> 05:15:39.960
the game is to have horizontal progression, so like if you take a break and you come back,

05:15:39.960 --> 05:15:44.920
your character is not worthless, you're still, you know, you're gonna be a little weaker

05:15:44.920 --> 05:15:49.760
or whatever, but you should be able to get into the current content, no problem. Whereas

05:15:49.760 --> 05:15:54.400
if you scale to infinity, then you have to make the bosses also really, really harder

05:15:54.400 --> 05:15:56.340
or else you just one shot the bosses.

05:15:56.340 --> 05:15:58.280
So then you have to make the new bosses much harder

05:15:58.280 --> 05:15:59.720
because players are scaling.

05:15:59.720 --> 05:16:01.320
And if you make the new bosses much harder

05:16:01.320 --> 05:16:02.840
and someone takes that three month break

05:16:02.840 --> 05:16:04.080
or six month break,

05:16:04.080 --> 05:16:05.960
that's no longer horizontal progression, is it?

05:16:05.960 --> 05:16:07.800
Now you're in vertical territory,

05:16:07.800 --> 05:16:09.240
kind of how retail works.

05:16:09.240 --> 05:16:10.360
So when you come back,

05:16:10.360 --> 05:16:12.440
all your stuff is completely useless

05:16:12.440 --> 05:16:14.480
and you have to re-farm an entire new set of gear

05:16:14.480 --> 05:16:15.320
with the new content

05:16:15.320 --> 05:16:16.480
or else you're just out of date

05:16:16.480 --> 05:16:18.920
and your character is just like chi chi'd.

05:16:18.920 --> 05:16:20.480
So that's what they're trying to avoid.

05:16:20.480 --> 05:16:22.280
And yeah, that's a fair question

05:16:22.280 --> 05:16:23.680
if you haven't thought about it.

05:16:24.400 --> 05:16:46.800
Wait, there's a guy on- there's multiple people online.

05:16:46.800 --> 05:16:53.840
Why are people playing sod?

05:16:53.840 --> 05:16:54.840
This guy's on.

05:16:54.840 --> 05:17:04.720
Is that a hold?

05:17:04.720 --> 05:17:06.720
Same reason as you?

05:17:06.720 --> 05:17:07.800
True.

05:17:07.800 --> 05:17:14.480
This guy says, I'm just waiting for servers on forever to come up.

05:17:14.480 --> 05:17:19.120
Oh yeah, true.

05:17:19.120 --> 05:17:21.120
Uh-hmm

05:17:49.120 --> 05:18:13.880
Okay, I was gonna like maybe send a duel or something, but slash PVP, PVP combat toggled

05:18:13.880 --> 05:18:27.240
on. This guy says looking for DPS strat. Sick Tiger. Oh thanks bro. Hey Zarr, I'm super

05:18:27.240 --> 05:18:30.880
excited for forever hardcore myself because I love just trying to survive. Do you think

05:18:30.880 --> 05:18:34.920
the new props or campsites are all positive changes for hardcore? New pro, yeah, I think

05:18:34.920 --> 05:18:45.120
overall I'm very excited for hardcore. Um, yeah, send a quick strat. Looking for one

05:18:45.120 --> 05:18:47.360
more healer, KC, real run.

05:18:47.360 --> 05:18:49.460
Oh, there's people actually playing.

05:18:49.460 --> 05:18:50.300
Sick.

05:19:02.480 --> 05:19:03.320
Mm-hmm.

05:19:05.160 --> 05:19:06.520
Mm, yep, that's right.

05:19:06.520 --> 05:19:07.720
Season of Discovery.

05:19:09.820 --> 05:19:10.840
Charlotte, hello.

05:19:10.840 --> 05:19:12.840
Man, Sada's so many more like,

05:19:12.840 --> 05:19:19.740
like like just straight dopamine going like it's prox and the numbers crits

05:19:19.740 --> 05:19:26.080
like too much right but man it is different retail it still feels very

05:19:26.080 --> 05:19:30.720
different so it's not never felt like retail to me but I mean I see why people

05:19:30.720 --> 05:19:34.040
say that I guess but it like if you've played Sonic doesn't feel like retail it

05:19:34.040 --> 05:19:39.120
just feels like because it it's still the rotations still aren't like that

05:19:39.120 --> 05:19:47.760
complex and all the stuff like looks and feels like classic but there are a lot of like big numbers

05:19:47.760 --> 05:20:00.560
you know. I'm addicted to forever I'm lost now yeah same.

05:20:00.560 --> 05:20:09.360
How is Mingle? I think he's doing well. I could log over and see if he's on.

05:20:25.360 --> 05:20:26.520
Goodbye, Medello.

05:20:30.560 --> 05:20:41.360
Showback needs me.

05:20:41.360 --> 05:20:54.480
What's going on?

05:20:54.480 --> 05:20:56.480
Aira

05:20:56.520 --> 05:20:58.520
Blood sale

05:21:00.520 --> 05:21:02.520
This server I think

05:21:02.840 --> 05:21:04.840
Fj thanks for the prime switch

05:21:05.640 --> 05:21:10.940
My many-year-old prime stuff from Bishir. Oh dude. Yeah, I mean dude sub day sub sub day whoever man

05:21:10.940 --> 05:21:14.420
I I subbed Bishir from time to time. He's a legend. Thanks for the prime man

05:21:19.600 --> 05:21:21.600
Okay, see if he's on

05:21:24.480 --> 05:21:28.480
Yeah, the game's down right now. He has DMCA music on, okay.

05:21:36.480 --> 05:21:39.480
Mingle is on! He's in Stranglethorn!

05:21:43.480 --> 05:21:46.480
What's he doing in Stranglethorn? Hey, Mingle.

05:21:50.480 --> 05:21:52.480
What's up?

05:21:54.480 --> 05:22:22.440
I'm going to strangle Thorne right now that water looks good true beta key for minglae

05:22:22.440 --> 05:22:24.440
Yeah, we might need to

05:22:34.180 --> 05:22:37.540
No title charm, I already have a title charm on this guy

05:22:43.020 --> 05:22:45.060
Orgammar gosh

05:22:47.520 --> 05:22:49.520
Styles thanks for the crumb

05:22:52.440 --> 05:23:06.200
guys I tuned in to show back stream and I DMCA music so I had to tune out but

05:23:06.200 --> 05:23:10.560
sounds like he's having a having a great time yo Arkham 550 subs thank you very

05:23:10.560 --> 05:23:37.720
much. What are these terrible graphics? Placigera height. I'm taking this up over. How do I

05:23:37.720 --> 05:23:41.080
I start with Prime. You just hit subscribe, scroll down, and then use a checkbox.

05:23:41.080 --> 05:23:44.120
It says, use my free Twitch Prime. You want to make sure it's checked, and then you're

05:23:44.120 --> 05:23:48.120
stopped for free. It takes three seconds to mount. Yeah, that's classic WoW for you.

05:23:48.120 --> 05:23:49.120
Oh, that's it.

05:24:04.080 --> 05:24:05.080
Ganda, thanks for the prong.

05:24:05.140 --> 05:24:06.140
Fall, thanks for the prong.

05:24:06.780 --> 05:24:09.280
Iron Muddy, thanks for the prong.

05:24:10.280 --> 05:24:12.280
Oh, Nosar, what's this?

05:24:12.280 --> 05:24:20.080
This looks so fake.

05:24:20.080 --> 05:24:21.280
Is this fake?

05:24:21.280 --> 05:24:26.100
Now we would like to ask about your preferences for a possible new class, or testing multiple

05:24:26.100 --> 05:24:29.420
ideas.

05:24:29.420 --> 05:24:32.240
More importantly, what you wouldn't like to see.

05:24:32.240 --> 05:24:35.760
Fake, fake.

05:24:35.760 --> 05:24:37.560
What role do you want to fill?

05:24:37.560 --> 05:24:40.920
Support range DPS tank healer deeps.

05:24:40.920 --> 05:24:43.640
One dead gnome or a human troll.

05:24:43.640 --> 05:24:49.000
A class that already exists, a new class, a class from retail.

05:24:49.000 --> 05:25:02.200
Please answer the following question for the class description, monk, demon hunter, tinker.

05:25:02.200 --> 05:25:04.040
Maybe this is real.

05:25:04.040 --> 05:25:07.320
Is this real?

05:25:07.320 --> 05:25:15.680
Illusionist, Masters of Perception and Deception, Illusionist, or Dazzling Arcanist who reconstruct

05:25:15.680 --> 05:25:20.200
reality itself through memory and observation?

05:25:20.200 --> 05:25:23.640
Prismatic Bolt, Shell Game?

05:25:23.640 --> 05:25:34.640
Hmm, learning to replicate sight, sound, and scent, and behavior with uncanny precision.

05:25:34.640 --> 05:25:39.940
lane. Elves raised him to vampiric on death by the Lich King to serve as cruel masters

05:25:39.940 --> 05:25:50.000
of blood magic. Bloodbilt, bloodmere, vampiric bite. Necromancer, outcast mage to seek dominion

05:25:50.000 --> 05:25:59.800
over life and death. Necromancer, study forbidden art. Roon Knight? Not a death knight, but

05:25:59.800 --> 05:26:08.920
a rune night. Runes, runic power, iron fist, silvered wins, reconstruct. Bard, masterful

05:26:08.920 --> 05:26:15.640
actor, storytellers, virtuoso musicians. Warden, warden to those who chose an agent

05:26:15.640 --> 05:26:24.120
of a loon. Mana and health as a resource. Blood bolt, blood mirror, vampiric bite, wait

05:26:24.120 --> 05:26:31.120
Is that the same one as San Lane?

05:26:31.120 --> 05:26:33.640
Yeah.

05:26:33.640 --> 05:26:41.880
That one is the same one they copied and pasted it, rung or something.

05:26:41.880 --> 05:26:48.120
Yeah, they screwed up this one.

05:26:48.120 --> 05:26:49.600
AI?

05:26:49.600 --> 05:26:50.600
Yeah.

05:26:50.600 --> 05:26:59.640
I don't know if this is real or fake, which practitioners of old magic, which are outcasts,

05:26:59.640 --> 05:27:04.680
misfits, and hermits who bind themselves to the powers, Paltron, Amenis, Floyd, Bolt,

05:27:04.680 --> 05:27:12.280
Bloodgon.

05:27:12.280 --> 05:27:17.680
I have said this before and I will say it again.

05:27:17.680 --> 05:27:30.680
I am absolutely terrified of a new class in classic forever because it's going to be unbalanced,

05:27:30.680 --> 05:27:34.680
broken and change the fabric of the game forever and you can never go back.

05:27:34.680 --> 05:27:36.280
I'm terrified.

05:27:36.280 --> 05:27:37.280
I'm excited.

05:27:37.280 --> 05:27:45.480
It could be cool, but I'm terrified of it just breaking the game and sucking.

05:27:45.480 --> 05:27:52.120
Here render things for the prime ultimate things for the prime devo things for the prime I've trained heart

05:27:56.480 --> 05:27:58.480
The survey is on your launcher

05:28:06.600 --> 05:28:08.600
Where

05:28:08.600 --> 05:28:19.600
I don't know if I've ever been on the WoW launcher before.

05:28:19.600 --> 05:28:20.600
Cool!

05:28:20.600 --> 05:28:23.080
Guys, I'm on the launcher!

05:28:23.080 --> 05:28:25.000
Mom!

05:28:25.000 --> 05:28:27.400
Let's go!

05:28:27.400 --> 05:28:30.400
Nice!

05:28:30.400 --> 05:28:32.320
Screenshot it.

05:28:32.320 --> 05:28:33.320
Cool.

05:28:33.320 --> 05:28:35.320
That's that's pretty sick

05:28:40.120 --> 05:28:45.080
That's pretty sick, I mean, I'm not really on it. I'm more just like a little tiny corner. It's more Josh

05:28:45.640 --> 05:28:47.640
But you know, at least we're kind of there

05:28:48.040 --> 05:28:51.340
That's pretty that's pretty insane the surveys right there

05:28:55.520 --> 05:29:01.120
Survey busy thanks for being willing to participate, but we're receiving an unusual high volume of responses

05:29:03.320 --> 05:29:17.480
It says not to share it guys don't share the survey it literally says not to share it

05:29:17.480 --> 05:29:29.040
Oh mingle

05:29:29.040 --> 05:29:37.840
He's on boys mingles farm it

05:29:37.840 --> 05:29:54.720
I'm going to STV let go oh feels so good not to lag I can't wait for them to fix the

05:29:54.720 --> 05:29:56.720
the memory leak.

05:30:04.000 --> 05:30:04.960
Oh my gosh.

05:30:06.160 --> 05:30:07.160
Greetings, traveler.

05:30:07.160 --> 05:30:08.960
The survey is part of an ongoing research study.

05:30:08.960 --> 05:30:09.960
And as your chancellor of blizzard

05:30:09.960 --> 05:30:11.000
to know what you think,

05:30:11.000 --> 05:30:12.400
we ask that you keep this survey

05:30:12.400 --> 05:30:14.640
and all of its contents confidential.

05:30:17.640 --> 05:30:21.100
Please do not stream images of this survey.

05:30:24.720 --> 05:30:32.240
Bro, who linked me that?

05:30:32.240 --> 05:30:33.240
Who linked me that?

05:30:33.240 --> 05:30:34.240
Oh, that was Taylor!

05:30:34.240 --> 05:30:36.720
Taylor, you linked me that!

05:30:36.720 --> 05:30:43.240
Okay, in my defense, I thought it was probably 99% fake.

05:30:43.240 --> 05:30:45.040
Crap.

05:30:45.040 --> 05:30:50.440
Blizzard, if you're watching, I'm sorry.

05:30:50.440 --> 05:30:51.920
That was not...

05:30:51.920 --> 05:30:53.920
Assuming that's the right one

05:30:59.840 --> 05:31:01.840
Gosh

05:31:14.400 --> 05:31:18.600
No, all right, well, we'll check that out later remove from the launcher rip

05:31:21.920 --> 05:31:37.920
and

05:31:37.920 --> 05:31:40.920
I don't want to be like

05:31:40.920 --> 05:31:42.920
I

05:31:49.020 --> 05:31:51.020
Want sir

05:32:10.920 --> 05:32:39.920
All right.

05:32:39.920 --> 05:32:46.640
Um, where's Mangle at?

05:32:46.640 --> 05:32:47.640
Burning steps.

05:32:47.640 --> 05:32:48.640
Mangle!

05:32:48.640 --> 05:32:57.360
I came for you, man!

05:32:57.360 --> 05:33:04.360
Alright.

05:33:04.360 --> 05:33:09.360
He didn't.

05:33:09.360 --> 05:33:10.360
Whoa.

05:33:10.360 --> 05:33:12.360
Where's he killed on the server?

05:33:12.360 --> 05:33:18.920
Uh, all off town, but thanks bro.

05:33:18.920 --> 05:33:22.360
They want you to not show your answers, not to not show the survey yourself?

05:33:22.360 --> 05:33:25.360
Well, hopefully.

05:33:25.360 --> 05:33:39.560
Give a beta key to mingle.

05:33:39.560 --> 05:33:44.880
How do you get, when you get the anniversary edition or whatever, the collector's edition,

05:33:44.880 --> 05:33:46.600
do you get a beta key to give to a friend?

05:33:46.600 --> 05:33:50.880
Is that a thing?

05:33:50.880 --> 05:33:57.880
Yes, no, no, yes, yes, no.

05:33:57.880 --> 05:34:10.880
Oh, on launch, you get free keys, but not yet, okay.

05:34:10.880 --> 05:34:27.800
Type blizzard in your emails all sent.

05:34:27.800 --> 05:34:32.160
You get one beta key and three friend codes on launch.

05:34:32.160 --> 05:34:36.160
You also get three beta keys.

05:34:36.160 --> 05:34:38.160
Hmm

05:35:01.520 --> 05:35:03.520
Bum bum bum

05:35:06.160 --> 05:35:08.560
Oh, thanks, Bim.

05:35:08.560 --> 05:35:19.360
Guys, we got a green croaking shake here today, sheers, sheers.

05:35:19.360 --> 05:35:33.840
Wow, this is good, whatever it is.

05:35:33.840 --> 05:35:41.880
Very nice.

05:35:41.880 --> 05:35:58.800
Very very nice.

05:35:58.800 --> 05:35:59.800
How long have you been married?

05:35:59.800 --> 05:36:02.120
It's like four and a half years now.

05:36:02.120 --> 05:36:04.640
I think it's going by fast.

05:36:04.640 --> 05:36:11.640
It's like, yeah, four and a half years.

05:36:11.640 --> 05:36:13.600
We're coming up on five years in March.

05:36:20.200 --> 05:36:22.800
Very, very nuts.

05:36:22.800 --> 05:36:26.840
I think, no, dude, it's definitely

05:36:26.840 --> 05:36:35.000
like a lot of weird timelines between COVID and now to where everything is just like has

05:36:35.000 --> 05:36:50.680
it been zero years or five years? Trust me, it's not my fault. Good cover up. Thanks.

05:36:56.840 --> 05:37:20.440
I think they had free

05:37:20.440 --> 05:37:32.960
bro what are you up to I'm trying to find Minglei you destroy that thing in two

05:37:32.960 --> 05:37:44.440
minutes oh it's good no it's healthy babe I was just a guest for this week

05:37:44.440 --> 05:37:51.240
What's the lore with Minglei? Oh dude, look up Zaryu Minglei on YouTube.

05:37:58.080 --> 05:38:02.440
Why didn't you ask about Mage?

05:38:02.440 --> 05:38:06.520
Uh, I don't know, man.

05:38:06.520 --> 05:38:09.080
Mage is mage.

05:38:09.080 --> 05:38:11.080
We'll see.

05:38:11.080 --> 05:38:13.640
Shrink it.

05:38:13.640 --> 05:38:20.560
I feel like a podcast is not the place to be like, uh, yo, dude, uh, what about mage-class

05:38:20.560 --> 05:38:28.840
design, you know?

05:38:28.840 --> 05:38:42.520
Hello from a new follower, what up, Sam?

05:38:42.520 --> 05:38:57.160
Ew, old water.

05:38:57.160 --> 05:39:03.920
No servers are not problems running around on era

05:39:18.080 --> 05:39:23.580
Yeah, if you guys want to do the survey it's on your peanut peanut launcher, it's actually a real survey

05:39:23.580 --> 05:39:26.540
I haven't done it yet. I'm not allowed to do it on stream

05:39:29.180 --> 05:39:31.180
Here you are. Thanks the front

05:39:34.780 --> 05:39:39.140
Do I think water will release now if not, what do you think will happen to mob?

05:39:40.420 --> 05:39:44.620
Either the characters go to retail or it stays a mop room forever

05:39:45.660 --> 05:39:52.300
Those are probably the two things that are gonna happen. I don't know though. I don't think they're gonna do what I really

05:39:54.340 --> 05:39:57.120
MINGLE eeeeee

05:39:59.180 --> 05:40:01.180
He's out here the legend himself

05:40:05.720 --> 05:40:09.420
You've been holding it down here in the flame crest

05:40:10.100 --> 05:40:13.720
Brothers are rogue out here that sat me. No shot

05:40:23.580 --> 05:40:29.120
There's a rogue out here Minglei, care!

05:40:29.120 --> 05:40:39.500
Yeah, we're not, yeah, we can't duel right now, there's a rogue out, there's an enemy!

05:40:39.500 --> 05:40:43.980
Watch out Minglei, watch your back!

05:40:43.980 --> 05:40:51.620
This RF don't know messages, I had him turned off, I just turned it back on right now.

05:40:51.620 --> 05:40:53.620
I

05:41:09.620 --> 05:41:13.960
Water please oh even mingles asking me for water man. What is this?

05:41:13.960 --> 05:41:22.360
any any of you mages out there logging the wow forever and you're afk in a city and you come

05:41:22.360 --> 05:41:27.600
back after like 20 minutes you come back to your computer and you have like six messages of like

05:41:27.600 --> 05:41:29.600
Hey, can I pop?

05:41:33.280 --> 05:41:36.380
Where'd he go? Need a layer?

05:41:39.160 --> 05:41:41.160
Me know why did you pull these?

05:41:46.800 --> 05:41:48.800
I need layered

05:41:57.600 --> 05:41:59.600
He like disappeared, I don't think he like...

05:42:03.280 --> 05:42:06.880
Oh, it was a BG pop. Oh, yeah, I think he took a BG pop.

05:42:06.880 --> 05:42:09.680
He like, he was like unhittable for a second, then he was gone.

05:42:09.680 --> 05:42:11.680
It was either a layer or a BG pop.

05:42:12.720 --> 05:42:14.720
Probably a BG pop.

05:42:14.720 --> 05:42:26.420
No, bro, I'm still here.

05:42:26.420 --> 05:42:28.800
Open up, I dare you.

05:42:28.800 --> 05:42:47.720
I think it's a PG pop.

05:42:47.720 --> 05:43:02.720
The Iron Grenade.

05:43:02.720 --> 05:43:06.160
Is it the same guy that ambushed me or is it someone else?

05:43:06.160 --> 05:43:13.080
The Iron Grenade isn't even in my combat log.

05:43:13.080 --> 05:43:34.760
up I dare you it's a ghost maybe check details oh it was someone else it's a

05:43:34.760 --> 05:43:55.760
mage. Oh it's a mage and a rogue. Meenbley! Oh a double grand marshal. Ah crap.

05:43:55.760 --> 05:44:08.160
Oh crap, I actually messed up that pretty bad.

05:44:08.160 --> 05:44:11.240
Actually probably could have done some crazy stuff there, but I've not played this character

05:44:11.240 --> 05:44:14.240
in years.

05:44:14.240 --> 05:44:16.240
Minglei!

05:44:16.240 --> 05:44:18.240
No!

05:44:18.240 --> 05:44:23.160
Guys, these are double grand martial players.

05:44:23.160 --> 05:44:24.160
We have like no gear.

05:44:24.160 --> 05:44:30.160
can't believe you guys are even saying that absolutely nuts it's a it's a

05:44:30.160 --> 05:44:40.760
geared thing to mainly obviously okay here we go here we go me like we got a

05:44:40.760 --> 05:44:50.400
lock of this in and dial it all right we're gonna lock it in and dial man

05:44:50.400 --> 05:44:55.280
forever server so down yeah

05:45:01.440 --> 05:45:06.600
oh that welp freaked me out

05:45:09.360 --> 05:45:13.640
the mingles going in on the mage

05:45:13.640 --> 05:45:25.640
Minglei get him. Minglei Viper Sting only. It's the only button that that matters here,

05:45:25.640 --> 05:45:35.120
Minglei. Minglei Viper Sting. Oh man, Minglei you're dead. Oh your not with a faint death.

05:45:35.120 --> 05:45:36.760
Minglei, don't die!

05:45:36.760 --> 05:45:38.760
Oh, Minglei, you're dead.

05:45:42.360 --> 05:45:44.360
Oh, no.

05:45:45.200 --> 05:45:47.200
Fairy dad, he's dead.

05:46:02.000 --> 05:46:03.000
Yeah.

05:46:03.000 --> 05:46:08.000
Oh, CS is back up, guys.

05:46:08.000 --> 05:46:10.000
Oof.

05:46:10.000 --> 05:46:12.000
Oof.

05:46:12.000 --> 05:46:19.000
Oh, this is not good, guys.

05:46:19.000 --> 05:46:21.000
Not good.

05:46:21.000 --> 05:46:23.000
Minglei, get him!

05:46:23.000 --> 05:46:25.000
Vipers thing, Minglei!

05:46:25.000 --> 05:46:27.000
Go!

05:46:27.000 --> 05:46:29.000
Why can I not mind control cab?

05:46:29.000 --> 05:46:32.000
Am I an idiot?

05:46:32.000 --> 05:46:34.000
They have to be out of combat

05:46:35.520 --> 05:46:38.000
Haven't used this in a long is it it's only out of combat

05:46:39.560 --> 05:46:44.320
How am I 60 already Bob and grinding can't be in combat. Yeah, okay

05:46:48.200 --> 05:46:50.200
Well

05:46:52.080 --> 05:46:55.120
That's brutal what what what other trinkets do I have on here?

05:46:59.240 --> 05:47:01.240
Yes

05:47:02.000 --> 05:47:06.120
Add on for bags this one's baginator

05:47:13.840 --> 05:47:18.280
Oh, there's a warrior out here too. Well, there's actual players on this server. What the heck

05:47:32.000 --> 05:47:34.000
Get on Minglei!

05:47:40.000 --> 05:47:42.000
That's a warrior too?

05:47:44.000 --> 05:47:46.000
And a mage.

05:47:47.000 --> 05:47:51.000
Vipers thing Minglei. Unkey bind everything except Viper Minglei.

05:47:57.000 --> 05:47:59.000
Key Faps.

05:48:02.000 --> 05:48:28.360
get him braw peasant caller get on ming dwee

05:48:28.360 --> 05:48:29.620
Oh, that's gonna be rough.

05:48:39.460 --> 05:48:42.000
Shoot, that's gonna be rough.

05:48:42.000 --> 05:48:44.240
Updates pushing out now.

05:48:44.240 --> 05:48:45.440
Forever update, okay.

05:48:47.120 --> 05:48:47.960
Woo!

05:48:47.960 --> 05:48:48.960
Update!

05:48:48.960 --> 05:48:51.600
You can't update wow forever while Classic WoW is running.

05:48:51.600 --> 05:48:52.920
All right, Classic WoW, it's been real,

05:48:52.920 --> 05:48:56.040
but we got forever updates on the horizon.

05:48:56.040 --> 05:48:57.400
Patch notes, hype.

05:48:58.360 --> 05:49:06.360
There we go.

05:49:06.360 --> 05:49:07.360
1.2 gigabytes?

05:49:07.360 --> 05:49:08.360
What?

05:49:08.360 --> 05:49:15.720
It's still not letting you log in.

05:49:15.720 --> 05:49:25.360
Well, let's at least do the update nice and early, then see what's good.

05:49:25.360 --> 05:49:43.240
Patch nodes height, patch nodes height, server is still down.

05:49:43.240 --> 05:49:46.600
If the server is still down, I'll go back on era, but I at least want to download the

05:49:46.600 --> 05:49:50.760
updates so when it comes off we can instag it in.

05:49:57.000 --> 05:50:03.400
No keys left unfortunately man. We'll see if we can get more though.

05:50:03.400 --> 05:50:17.840
It doesn't even let you into the queue, can we read the patch notes?

05:50:17.840 --> 05:50:19.840
They'd be on a wowhead if they exist.

05:50:33.680 --> 05:50:36.480
Just watch the podcast, grab some of the feedback, dude.

05:50:36.480 --> 05:50:37.480
This is a good time.

05:50:42.800 --> 05:50:45.480
Okay, so we're opening the beta.

05:50:45.480 --> 05:50:46.880
I'm assuming we can't get in,

05:50:46.880 --> 05:50:48.880
so we can go back on era.

05:50:54.360 --> 05:50:56.360
You've been disconnected.

05:51:04.840 --> 05:51:06.840
Yeah, what up, Aggie?

05:51:16.880 --> 05:51:28.960
Let's see if we can save Mingle.

05:51:28.960 --> 05:51:30.760
I don't know, there's three of them now.

05:51:30.760 --> 05:51:32.880
Grand Marshals as well.

05:51:32.880 --> 05:51:36.760
So I think they have like twice my HP pool or something.

05:51:36.760 --> 05:51:37.760
Lucas!

05:51:37.760 --> 05:51:38.760
Five gifted.

05:51:38.760 --> 05:51:39.760
Thank you, bro.

05:52:09.760 --> 05:52:20.480
Any patch notes released?

05:52:20.480 --> 05:52:33.520
I haven't seen anything yet.

05:52:33.520 --> 05:52:34.520
A bloom!

05:52:34.520 --> 05:52:35.520
Thanks for the prime.

05:52:35.520 --> 05:52:36.520
Yeah, we got the new update in.

05:52:36.520 --> 05:52:51.360
What keyboard is that I'll link it for ya?

05:52:51.360 --> 05:52:52.760
Is the level cap increasing today?

05:52:52.760 --> 05:52:57.000
No, that's next Thursday.

05:52:57.000 --> 05:53:03.160
There's another update?

05:53:03.160 --> 05:53:05.160
It says update again.

05:53:05.160 --> 05:53:10.160
Maybe we should.

05:53:10.160 --> 05:53:26.000
Well, Mingo's alive and well, looks like.

05:53:26.000 --> 05:53:27.000
Here he is.

05:53:27.000 --> 05:53:31.880
I don't know where the rogue and the mage and the warrior went, I think they might be

05:53:31.880 --> 05:53:35.400
off now.

05:53:35.400 --> 05:54:01.080
I think it's a fair point, like I said I'm terrified of adding a class to ERA because

05:54:01.080 --> 05:54:06.840
of how death knights changed the game, how I actually thought monks didn't change the

05:54:06.840 --> 05:54:12.960
game too, like in a super negative way, but then there was demon hunters, like demon hunters

05:54:12.960 --> 05:54:17.700
changed the game a lot, death knights changed the game a lot. I'm really scared about balance

05:54:17.700 --> 05:54:24.320
on a new class and keeping the game state the same. I'm not going to say no to a new

05:54:24.320 --> 05:54:29.200
class ever, but like for me I'm just terrified. I'm terrified of a new class.

05:54:41.200 --> 05:54:49.840
I'd rather them add specs. I would rather add, yeah, races and class balance and spec tuning and then like maybe a new spec and then like

05:54:49.840 --> 05:54:57.840
Way in the future, maybe think about a new class. Oh, Mingle wants water. There you go, Mingle. You got your water.

05:54:57.840 --> 05:55:14.480
Servers are up? All right. Sheegees. Mingle goddess water. Mingle.

05:55:27.840 --> 05:55:52.040
Elaborate more on the death night.

05:55:52.040 --> 05:55:59.720
So from my experience, the death knight in TBC was one of those classes that just changed

05:55:59.720 --> 05:56:04.880
the game forever because when it came out, it was just broken.

05:56:04.880 --> 05:56:10.280
Like it was just so broken and it changed the way PvP felt forever because there was

05:56:10.280 --> 05:56:14.080
another class and with another class, there was more complexity and balance because you

05:56:14.080 --> 05:56:20.800
had to balance the game around an additional class and the problem continued with demoneters,

05:56:20.800 --> 05:56:25.800
Monks, what's the new one now, Dracthear?

05:56:26.320 --> 05:56:28.840
Like, it just compounds.

05:56:28.840 --> 05:56:30.440
The game gets more and more complex

05:56:30.440 --> 05:56:31.720
the more and more you add.

05:56:33.400 --> 05:56:34.920
Keeping it to the original classes

05:56:34.920 --> 05:56:36.880
just keeps it a lot more simple in a lot of ways.

05:56:36.880 --> 05:56:41.640
So, or a Voker, yeah, Dracthear was the race, a Voker.

05:56:41.640 --> 05:56:44.640
Yeah, it's just like, it's tough, it's tough.

05:56:44.640 --> 05:56:47.200
Like I said, I'm terrified of adding a new class

05:56:47.200 --> 05:56:49.360
because the current balance works so well.

05:56:49.360 --> 05:56:54.360
Oh, yeah, that's right. We were in riverglades when all of this was happening.

05:56:56.360 --> 05:57:00.360
Wait a minute. I think add-ons might save now.

05:57:03.360 --> 05:57:07.360
I think they fixed the add-on bug because my settings saved already.

05:57:13.360 --> 05:57:15.360
There's no patch notes now.

05:57:19.360 --> 05:57:40.360
Okay, add-ons are working nice. Nice. Nice. Add-ons are working how they should. Cool.

05:57:40.360 --> 05:57:49.120
That's nice. Talons, are they cheap now? Respec is cheap now? Okay, cool. Add-ons are

05:57:49.120 --> 05:57:53.800
Working talents are cheap. Okay, good. I gotta fix a bunch of UI stuff

05:57:59.000 --> 05:58:06.160
Mailing is fixed. Um, I almost want to go respect real quick. I do want to come back to the Riverglades though. I

05:58:07.520 --> 05:58:09.520
Want to check

05:58:09.640 --> 05:58:12.140
Unit frame looks different. I have an add-on already

05:58:12.140 --> 05:58:21.280
Squirrel, BXP bar is gone.

05:58:21.280 --> 05:58:22.280
Shacky Eureka.

05:58:22.280 --> 05:58:24.400
Eureka got nerfed to 10%.

05:58:24.400 --> 05:58:30.520
Blizzard, you went from 50 to 10.

05:58:30.520 --> 05:58:31.800
I mean it did need a nerf.

05:58:31.800 --> 05:58:35.800
I was saying maybe try from 50 to 30 or 50 to 25.

05:58:35.800 --> 05:58:38.800
50 to 10 is crazy work.

05:58:38.800 --> 05:58:41.120
I mean it did need a nerf.

05:58:41.120 --> 05:58:44.200
Don't get me wrong, but that's a big nerf.

05:58:44.200 --> 05:58:49.200
Ahhhh, that's crazy.

05:58:49.200 --> 05:58:50.520
Well the name plates look different.

05:58:50.520 --> 05:59:06.680
Oh it's because I'm using these.

05:59:06.680 --> 05:59:09.440
Oh man, you got a lot of different stuff I'm gonna do with my UI here.

05:59:20.480 --> 05:59:21.880
Why is my name not even on it?

05:59:28.380 --> 05:59:29.880
Oh my gosh, yeah.

05:59:29.880 --> 05:59:39.220
Is the memory leak fixed I'll go do it in the city. I kind of yeah, I'm gonna yeah

05:59:39.220 --> 05:59:41.220
Let's just go to the city for now

05:59:41.220 --> 05:59:44.120
Why is my UI all squished like this? What the heck is going on?

05:59:48.120 --> 05:59:52.200
Add-ons are fixed one silver respect there's some good stuff here Eureka nerfed

05:59:52.200 --> 06:00:08.640
FPS is 170 in a city no lag yet I'll let you guys know one silver respect guys

06:00:08.640 --> 06:00:15.240
nice so I think I wanted to try

06:00:15.240 --> 06:00:22.240
Is 1% hit worth it at this level? I can't even tell.

06:00:22.240 --> 06:00:25.240
I'm just going to try that.

06:00:25.240 --> 06:00:30.240
I'll also try Arcane. Now that it's one silver, I'm also going to try more stuff.

06:00:30.240 --> 06:00:37.240
Gnomes and shambles? I mean, gnomes needed to be nerfed. One way or another, gnomes needed to be nerfed, so.

06:00:45.240 --> 06:01:03.600
Yeah, I'll do a lot of UI stuff later, but I'm going to do some big stuff right now.

06:01:03.600 --> 06:01:14.040
Think I might, now that these are working, I think I might try these for a bit.

06:01:14.040 --> 06:01:20.120
it brings like the old map and name plates and Caspar but then I have like still like the new

06:01:23.560 --> 06:01:29.320
action bars why are these not actually here let me see

06:01:29.320 --> 06:01:51.200
Hmm. Yeah, let's just do that. Wait, why are the griffin silver? Oh, that must be an

06:01:51.200 --> 06:02:03.520
add on. That must be an add on I have. Check default UI. Wait, did they change UI stuff?

06:02:03.520 --> 06:02:16.800
Check the new frames? Wait, what? Eureka got nerfed. Unit frames are the same, guys. Oh,

06:02:16.800 --> 06:02:18.520
Maybe they are slightly different.

06:02:18.520 --> 06:02:23.800
Hold on, let me look.

06:02:23.800 --> 06:02:32.720
Oh, they actually are slightly different.

06:02:32.720 --> 06:02:38.040
Oh, gosh, I hate to say it, but I'm not a fan.

06:02:38.040 --> 06:02:39.600
Oh, I'm sorry, guys!

06:02:39.600 --> 06:02:40.600
This is not it!

06:02:40.600 --> 06:02:44.440
Do I even like them better than before?

06:02:44.440 --> 06:02:45.440
Not really.

06:02:45.440 --> 06:02:50.680
Not really I feel like I'm the one that has pushed this more than anyone. I still this is not it

06:02:50.680 --> 06:02:54.660
Oh gosh, I feel really bad saying that because I'm sure there's an artist. It's like

06:02:55.040 --> 06:02:58.840
Like sitting there on the other side like oh, I did this. I feel really bad

06:03:00.040 --> 06:03:05.180
No, they still look basically like retail look the action bars are great

06:03:05.400 --> 06:03:09.580
The mini map is pretty good. The unit frames look

06:03:10.400 --> 06:03:14.020
Very similar to retail still like the little border doesn't change much

06:03:15.440 --> 06:03:21.280
I'm sorry guys. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna be honest like you know I just gotta give my real feedback

06:03:21.280 --> 06:03:26.860
It looks like the the lag is maybe fixed though, which makes the game so much more enjoyable to play so like I can't wait

06:03:31.560 --> 06:03:37.980
Anyway, I am using an add-on to put them back second respect is five gold no way

06:03:37.980 --> 06:03:40.480
I'm gonna confirm that and then if that's confirmed then I

06:03:42.260 --> 06:03:44.260
Will

06:03:45.440 --> 06:03:59.840
It is confirmed seconds 5g. There's pass notes. I'm gonna check those out in a sec.

06:03:59.840 --> 06:04:15.520
I actually like the bronze tint.

06:04:15.520 --> 06:04:33.480
I think the bronze tint is actually pretty cool.

06:04:33.480 --> 06:04:36.480
So if I try to respec again, it's five gold.

06:04:36.480 --> 06:04:38.480
Oh my gosh.

06:04:38.480 --> 06:04:45.080
Um, hey guys.

06:04:45.080 --> 06:04:49.000
First respec, one silver.

06:04:49.000 --> 06:04:53.400
Second respec is now 5G.

06:04:53.400 --> 06:04:58.800
Okay, people are linking patch notes.

06:04:58.800 --> 06:05:00.560
Let me just take a look.

06:05:00.560 --> 06:05:03.120
Oh, there's so much I want to see.

06:05:03.120 --> 06:05:04.600
but I also...

06:05:04.600 --> 06:05:08.480
Oh, juicy, we have actual patch notes.

06:05:08.480 --> 06:05:12.000
Guys, this is the first set of patch notes we've had ever

06:05:12.000 --> 06:05:13.920
on classic World of Warcraft.

06:05:13.920 --> 06:05:16.260
Well, since 2005 or whatever.

06:05:18.440 --> 06:05:20.000
These are not it, are they not it?

06:05:22.920 --> 06:05:23.800
Are they fake?

06:05:23.800 --> 06:05:25.200
Oh, they're fake.

06:05:25.200 --> 06:05:26.600
Oh, maybe they're fake.

06:05:28.880 --> 06:05:32.320
These are forever beta class tuning changes.

06:05:32.320 --> 06:05:36.720
of mine.

06:05:36.720 --> 06:05:37.820
Posted two minutes ago.

06:05:37.820 --> 06:05:39.760
No, this might be real.

06:05:39.760 --> 06:05:41.420
All right.

06:05:41.420 --> 06:05:42.220
Mangle.

06:05:45.000 --> 06:05:46.960
Bite the target instead of Mangle the target.

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Name changed from Mangle to Primal Bite.

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Maybe Soda will be happy now.

06:06:02.320 --> 06:06:10.760
and grave bell wrath buffs so that we'll be happy talents just reads primal by

06:06:10.760 --> 06:06:15.520
instead of mangle same thing hunters strider kick increases your movement

06:06:15.520 --> 06:06:19.960
speed by 30 nice some mobility I think that's actually good that's for the melee

06:06:19.960 --> 06:06:33.680
build for hunters. Mage. Okay. Oh, the two talents we thought should be reworked. You're

06:06:33.680 --> 06:06:37.880
a non-periodic crit with fireball, frostfireball, and fireballs and squirts. Now grant haunt

06:06:37.880 --> 06:06:44.240
three for 20 instead of 15. That's an early change much. Still pretty rough. Okay. Wake

06:06:44.240 --> 06:06:48.680
up fire reduces the cooldown of fire lost by two. Killing a non-trip increase. Ah, so

06:06:48.680 --> 06:06:50.680
It is completely useless

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Completely useless

06:06:54.120 --> 06:07:00.040
Man in grave helm hot streak. Yeah, this is probably just some like old sod data mining or something

06:07:01.040 --> 06:07:03.040
20 seconds on hot. Okay

06:07:04.120 --> 06:07:06.120
Paladin

06:07:07.320 --> 06:07:11.240
Paladins they buffed holy strike and reduce the cooldown

06:07:18.680 --> 06:07:36.520
Savvix is spamming W's in the chat, yeah I'm sure man, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, all right,

06:07:36.520 --> 06:07:37.960
no comment.

06:07:37.960 --> 06:07:43.440
Lights visual applies to the target for 30 seconds.

06:07:43.440 --> 06:07:50.240
Wait, I'm struggling to understand.

06:07:50.240 --> 06:07:54.080
Your next Holy Shock triggers them no cool and causes allied targets to heal or enemies

06:07:54.080 --> 06:07:58.360
to suffer and refund the mana cost.

06:07:58.360 --> 06:07:59.360
Or allied targets to heal.

06:07:59.360 --> 06:08:01.320
Oh, they changed the heal to the second half.

06:08:01.320 --> 06:08:02.800
Does that just read differently now?

06:08:02.800 --> 06:08:05.040
Maybe it just reads differently now.

06:08:05.040 --> 06:08:07.200
Righteous Fury, 60% threat instead of 90.

06:08:07.200 --> 06:08:10.200
That's interesting.

06:08:10.200 --> 06:08:26.320
Holy shock and holy strike.

06:08:26.320 --> 06:08:29.720
So holy strike is modified by holy power.

06:08:29.720 --> 06:08:36.720
So Holy Strike got buffed twice.

06:08:36.720 --> 06:08:51.400
So now it's getting buffed through a talent now too.

06:08:51.400 --> 06:08:57.120
Proved Holy Strike, it's got nerfed though, reduces the cooldown, so the cooldown reduction

06:08:57.120 --> 06:09:06.960
was here now it's baseline they removed that rank one rank two or something it's

06:09:06.960 --> 06:09:10.200
hard to understand it sounds like they got this so they got rid of this talent

06:09:10.200 --> 06:09:17.200
all together and made a baseline maybe it looks like for lights visual they just

06:09:17.200 --> 06:09:21.800
reworded it to have this healing at the end sacred arbiter increase the damage

06:09:21.800 --> 06:09:30.040
Holy Strike by 20, Twist of Light reduces the mana cost of your seals by 20, and you,

06:09:30.040 --> 06:09:31.620
when you replace your seal of command.

06:09:31.620 --> 06:09:35.800
So it's mana cost too.

06:09:35.800 --> 06:09:39.100
I, okay look, this is good.

06:09:39.100 --> 06:09:40.100
This is good.

06:09:40.100 --> 06:09:41.100
This is good.

06:09:41.100 --> 06:09:43.260
This, like, this is good.

06:09:43.260 --> 06:09:48.340
But I think Pallies didn't, like, a lot of other classes I think are really kind of,

06:09:48.340 --> 06:09:50.460
like, waited for some big stuff here.

06:09:50.460 --> 06:09:51.740
This is great for Pallies.

06:09:51.740 --> 06:09:52.740
This is awesome.

06:09:55.940 --> 06:09:58.580
Two-handed speck went from 369 to 246.

06:09:58.580 --> 06:10:00.180
Check the real blue post.

06:10:03.580 --> 06:10:05.180
Mm.

06:10:05.180 --> 06:10:08.300
Okay, so this was data mine, this is real.

06:10:08.300 --> 06:10:09.860
Okay, thanks guys, thanks.

06:10:11.060 --> 06:10:12.940
Real blue post.

06:10:12.940 --> 06:10:15.220
Nice, much easier to read this.

06:10:15.220 --> 06:10:17.740
Corrected an issue, and now Retroove can land crits.

06:10:17.740 --> 06:10:19.660
Nice, corrected an issue, and now Trank can land crits.

06:10:19.660 --> 06:10:20.500
Nice.

06:10:20.500 --> 06:10:25.540
damage increased by 50 so does happy thorns will not dynamically update its values based on the

06:10:25.540 --> 06:10:29.940
castor spell power no more snap shotting on thorns if the castors cannot found her too far away

06:10:29.940 --> 06:10:35.220
thorns reverts to its base values okay feral has been reamed to primal bite all town surfacing

06:10:35.220 --> 06:10:39.620
mangle is primal bite primal fury town's been renamed the icons replaced by blood frenzy

06:10:39.620 --> 06:10:44.340
fixed above where failed charge cat could be castan allies resto corrected an issue where wild

06:10:44.340 --> 06:10:45.740
Wild growth can land on crits, okay.

06:10:47.700 --> 06:10:49.180
Wild growth, so cool.

06:10:49.180 --> 06:10:50.460
Druid buffs overall.

06:10:52.620 --> 06:10:56.940
Hunter, pets, Sonic blasts now properly available to bats.

06:10:56.940 --> 06:10:59.380
Tane beast no longer works on beasts that are higher.

06:10:59.380 --> 06:11:00.220
Makes sense.

06:11:00.220 --> 06:11:03.740
Furious howl attack, power, bonus, reduce by 40.

06:11:03.740 --> 06:11:05.620
Marksmanship, Talancing out of lone wolf

06:11:05.620 --> 06:11:09.060
will no longer cause the hunter to have minus 4% damage

06:11:09.060 --> 06:11:11.020
while their pet is active.

06:11:11.020 --> 06:11:12.100
Good.

06:11:12.100 --> 06:11:13.340
Survival correct, an issue.

06:11:13.340 --> 06:11:16.580
And now last rating strikes can crit, good, Strider kick now increases movement speed,

06:11:16.580 --> 06:11:17.580
good.

06:11:17.580 --> 06:11:19.220
Okay, so like all this is good so far.

06:11:19.220 --> 06:11:20.700
Before that let's go to bug fixes.

06:11:20.700 --> 06:11:25.500
Fixed a bug with casters not playing their precast animations while casting, good, changed

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the sound effect, that placement jumping in water to be more aesthetically pleasing!

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Woo!

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Okay, let's go test that real quick.

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By the way, I'm not, they fixed the memory leak guys, I'm not lagging anymore.

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I feel like I can finally play the game, oh my gosh, I'm so excited.

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Oh, the rain! Oh, the new rain!

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It's raining!

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Oh, yeah!

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Oh, my gosh.

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I just kind of whispered saying they did not fix the memory leak.

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Oh, really?

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OK, maybe I'm celebrating too soon here.

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My camera's in the wrong spot, too.

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Dude, the game looks so good after being on air.

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Oh, my gosh.

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All right, water.

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How's it sound now?

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They just put it to the old one.

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It just sounds like the old one, right?

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I think that's just fine.

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Nice.

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And then they said it'll be more aesthetically pleasing.

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This is the old one.

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Cool.

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Adjusted human death sounds fix an issue

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or attempting to craft items or spell casts

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was causing players to stand up

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while waiting to obtain their campfire buff.

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Yeah, that's what was happening to me. That's cool.

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Resolved an issue with Huey's Sunnydale's legs to render properly.

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Fixed an issue where they made Saab's

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Scenic's recovery a Rune ability visible.

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Fixed an issue where pet happiness is not decreasing.

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Fixed an issue with Undercity.

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Canal used to be much brighter than intended.

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Removed a setting that could disable fog in an unintended manner.

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Resolved...

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Oh, I wonder if that's the script.

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I

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Don't think the script works anymore

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Well, it's hard to tell because it's raining I don't know

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Look at the water animation for the rain it's dude the rain is hitting the water and making little oh my gosh, bro

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Are they already nerf Eureka, yeah

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Resolve to water display issue fix other display issues on a Mac, okay fix a memory leak causing

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gradual performance degradation for some players baby let's go memory leak fixed apparently

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it's not fixed but we'll see oh my gosh oh my gosh fix an issue where in-game mail could

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ignore surnames okay guess we're on mage arcing missiles no longer checks line of sight on

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each missile just once at the beginning of the channel so targets moving out of

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line of sight during the channel will not prevent the missiles. How's it feel boys?

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There we go! All the haters in the chat from the other days like oh yeah finally

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they fixed that no guys it was a bug they fixed it all right there we go we're

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back to how every other channel spell in the game works since the beginning of

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time. All right, that's good. Wake Up Fire's buff has been increased to 30 instead of 20.

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Bro, 20 gifted subs from soon. Thank you so much, bro. That's what's up. Wake Up Fire is

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difficult to make properties of a leveling due to the mage needing to restore mana between combat.

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The increased duration should help smooth. So that is the concern. This is what I've talked

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about from day one. This is not enough. Wake Up Fire should probably be removed and it should be

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replaced with like you could you can honestly just remove it and not even

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replace just just get rid of it but there should probably be something else

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this is not this is not enough but that is the issue hot streak has been

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increased to 20 instead of 15 not a fan either needs needs a rework ignite no

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longer double dips on percent damage based modifiers okay ret or now

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dynamically well not dynamically updated values based on the caster spell

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power. Oh, okay. Fixed a bug with flash of light to not play at the end. Fixed various

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issues of consecration, but failed to apply its increased damage. Z axis wasn't functioning.

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Fixed an issue where consecration could pull targets vertically. Oh, that's funny. Holy

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Holy Strikes% Weapon Damage Per Rank Changed.

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Instead of 25, 29, 32, 36, 39, it was 25, 25, 30, 30, 35, 35, 40, 40.

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Interesting.

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So it just curves differently.

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They made it do more damage at lower level but less at higher.

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This increases Holy Strikes Damage at all points while leveling and increases how much

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I contribute to your tations. Okay, cool

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Fixed a bug with echo of justice causing it to have a higher and then a tendon chance to activate

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Righteous fury 60% threat instead of 90 holy strike cool down lowered to 10

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Improved holy strike removed even though there were sometimes cases where talents feel required

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Like relentless for a rogues having one that raises the cool of a core ability so early on a healing talent tree

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Oh, that's actually true. I think that's actually a good decision. I

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I didn't know that was on the holy talent tree. Yeah, that's actually really really good. I

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Hate to say it, but like

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But they're just doing such a good job with Paladin man

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Okay, anyway, let's keep reading.

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Lightspecial toolchips have been reorganized to make it clear.

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Holy power now increases the crit.

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Strike of holy strike of 15 and retains all those whole effects.

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Vengeance now activates off non-periodic crits.

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Vengeance max stacks lower to three instead of five.

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Two-handed spec got nerfed a bit.

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Sacred Arbiter now increases the damage of holy strike.

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I buffed a bit. Twizzle Light now additionally reduces the mana cost of your seal spells by 20.

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Wow. So Pali, like overall Pali bug fixes and buffs overall. She's

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Eureka from 50 to 10 feels like an overreaction. I tend to agree. I was gonna say, I mean,

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I need a nerf, but I was thinking 50 to 25.

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Um, priest, corrected an issue and now renew Concrete.

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Powered Shield can always overwrite an existing Powered Shield.

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If it's not a weakensoul.

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Corrected an issue and now contingency plant can crit.

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Confounding Flash now is a visual.

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The casting visual is now more oriented than Arcane and the sounds of an updated Night Elf.

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Star Shards now correctly gained resistance as well. Pushback.

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Undead. Dark Sack. No longer breaks CC. Dark Sack.

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sac, tooltip now correctly displays mana and rogue. Sap now correctly flags throw up for pvp.

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That's the only rogue change. Shaman, lightning bolt, damage on ranks three and four,

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increase to make these spells always upgrades over previous ranks despite changing cast times.

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Oh, I see. Winfury Totem. Buff this spell instead of Winfury Totem Passive, okay. Flametongue

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buffs this spell as Flametongue instead of Flametongue Effect, okay. Flametongue Totem no longer has

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a duration. It's instantly replaced when placing a Totem. It's no longer able to be stacked,

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repeatedly casting Flametongue and no longer stacks the Flametongue Weapon or Winfury Totem.

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Elemental. Swap the positions of the Elemental Fury and Elemental Alacrity talents.

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Critical Strike increases early and Entrys are excited for other specs, but it's not exciting for the core Speckle leveling,

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since they don't have enough Crit Chance to really appreciate it,

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so we're moving one of the better talents for Ellie Shulman Functionality earlier in the tree to allow them to feel like they're hitting important progression moments.

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So this is what Fire Mage needs. Fire has the same problem.

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You don't have enough crit to appreciate it early and when you play a build like fire you have hot streak

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And it's like you have 5% crit

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Good luck creating three times and then this is like a poor excuse of a

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You know like you yeah

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Wake a fire helps, but then you're just like boom and drinking it like if you're spamming fire blast

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it just feels terrible anyway. Like you actually need some help getting Hot Streak later in

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the game and game it's fine, but for leveling. So I think that's good for Ellie. A lot of

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her damage on the ranks 1 and 2 increased, she got 10% base damage. Enhance, Farstein

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longer, corrects the casting speed, corrects an issue and that Riptide can crit, good.

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Lifetap has been updated to correctly display the amount of life converted and only states

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that it scales with spirit.

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It's a void walker's sack now, correctly scales with healing.

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Warrior, Thunder Armor, correct the threat value.

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Thunder Armor generates threat now, woohoo!

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Brought, swap to position of the Bastion and focus through talents to smooth that progression.

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Arms, Bloodthrill's chance to activate increased to 4-8-12 instead of 2, so they...

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Soft Bloodthrill. Bloodthrill only activates off of Main Hand Melee. This includes Cleveland

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Herald Strike. Slam school enhancement increase. Proof Slam. So I wonder if this will help

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with the Rage Genital. Maybe a tiny bit but not really.

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Wand Scaling Nerf is great news. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not even there yet.

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Races, gnome, change Eureka on every class to 10% discount on mana, rage, or energy.

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To me, it's obvious that gnome needed a nerf.

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I'm a gnome.

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Should I even say that I'm biased because I play undead, I play gnome, I play human,

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I play a lot of, like I don't know, it's not like I'm a gnome exclusive player.

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Anyway, I guess I'm a bit biased, I play a lot of gnome, but I play a lot of other stuff.

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It seems like an overreaction, like 50 was too strong, 10 feels like an overreaction,

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I think 25 maybe?

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Maybe 20?

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I don't know, we'll see, maybe 10 is fine.

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But now it's just like, okay, 10% less damage.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Human changed Will to survive to match Dispel Magic.

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Good.

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Toren, cultivation now longer as a player level requirement for every herb.

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Okay, touch of the grave, no longer breaks CC.

06:22:24.680 --> 06:22:25.880
Oh, that's good. That's really good.

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Cool on manager is now an effect and it's intended to enhance gameplay by pulling critical information.

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Love it. Love it. Love it.

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Sure, it made sure where your preys lock are available for testing. Great.

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Additional classes will become testable.

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Oh, so you can only do it on some classes.

06:22:41.580 --> 06:22:45.380
The most desired feedback is what spells that you wish you would track by default.

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Cool on manager does not support spell ranks.

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Gamepad support.

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items. Guns and bows were not correctly consuming ammo. Number of quests had the rewards updated

06:22:59.320 --> 06:23:04.360
to the correct item level. Small number of early caster rewards have been adjusted. Wizard

06:23:04.360 --> 06:23:09.240
oil converted to classic air of value. Wands no longer gain additional damage from spell

06:23:09.240 --> 06:23:15.760
damage. As a caster, this is a wand nerf. I like it. Wands are cool, but you don't want

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your best ability to be wand. I like it. Quests, I'm not gonna read through every

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quest, but it looks like they're increasing spawn rates, changing some

06:23:27.440 --> 06:23:35.560
quests, blah blah blah. Okay. User interface updated the nameplate selection

06:23:35.560 --> 06:23:50.720
display. Why is there no classic frames? There's default large block cast focus. Should totally

06:23:50.720 --> 06:24:02.000
be classic frames. Weird. New to the build. Healthstone cooldown cannot be tracked. Prease

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tracks. Pre-stracts all spells for default. Arcane blasts can not be tracked, manage them.

06:24:08.400 --> 06:24:15.680
So they know this stuff is messed up. Okay. Wow, that's a lot of fixes for a week. Cool.

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I like this. They have a lot of work to still do. They have a lot of work to still do. A lot.

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But like, this is good. I mean, that's a first patch note.

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So, um, cool.

06:24:30.080 --> 06:24:35.240
They, I mean they changed good amount here.

06:24:35.240 --> 06:24:40.600
Some classes Paladins got more love than other classes Paladins, so Paladins came out on

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top again, nice.

06:24:49.840 --> 06:24:51.560
Oh man, now the add-ons are working.

06:24:51.560 --> 06:24:58.280
can actually lock in a dial here. I've been waiting for this moment. Not even that I'm

06:24:58.280 --> 06:25:04.080
using many add-ons, literally just like the basic like, litrix plus so I can like, you

06:25:04.080 --> 06:25:13.920
know, like on clamp chat frame hide social buttons, hide chat buttons. How do you get

06:25:13.920 --> 06:25:17.600
add-ons you just download them 200 FPS now yeah I'm not lagging nearly as much

06:25:17.600 --> 06:25:20.160
it's great

06:25:24.200 --> 06:25:28.280
legal legal thanks for the tier one man

06:25:28.280 --> 06:25:44.280
the

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and

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they made a respect one silver yet

06:26:13.880 --> 06:26:29.880
So my FPS is like 54 right here, which is still like relatively low, but I am in a city and I have graphics turned to 8, but my computer is pretty cracked, so like that still feels a little low, but if I'm out in the world alone, it might be a lot higher, but still.

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and

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control R for FPS it should be in the bottom right hand corner I don't know

06:27:24.600 --> 06:27:31.880
you can move that. Turn down secondary lighting. Huge FPS move. I like how secondary lighting

06:27:31.880 --> 06:27:55.320
looks, but I'll put it to good. Um, what else?

06:27:55.320 --> 06:27:59.600
That's really low FPS. I mean, keep in mind I am in a city. So like if I go, maybe I'll

06:27:59.600 --> 06:28:10.380
like run around for a minute and see what's going on here. It's the rain maybe. It's less

06:28:10.380 --> 06:28:17.120
rainy under here but you can like still see the rain over there. Oh that's so cool man.

06:28:17.120 --> 06:28:23.240
I have a 57 and I'm doubling your frames. Are you in a city? I'm also streaming. The

06:28:23.240 --> 06:28:30.240
The mini map looks like it's bugged in Trade District.

06:28:32.800 --> 06:28:39.800
The lighting, oh man.

06:28:39.800 --> 06:28:55.200
I mean lagging in a city especially with this many people is kind of normal so let me go

06:28:55.200 --> 06:29:05.960
out to Elwynn.

06:29:05.960 --> 06:29:08.960
Why is my name?

06:29:08.960 --> 06:29:29.000
for some reason my name isn't showing but that might just be my add-on bug it

06:29:29.000 --> 06:29:34.720
probably is names are bugged oh can you guys not see names either so my FPS

06:29:34.720 --> 06:29:43.880
outside the city is now at 120 140 150 160 so yeah I mean I in the city it's

06:29:43.880 --> 06:29:46.120
definitely

06:29:47.240 --> 06:29:51.880
read this secondary lighting the fare fixes FPS I mean secondary lighting

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looks great though

06:29:54.400 --> 06:30:07.400
one silver respect after one hour it's one silver again okay

06:30:07.400 --> 06:30:19.640
My Caspar is really large.

06:30:19.640 --> 06:30:30.880
It's better.

06:30:30.880 --> 06:30:33.600
My FPS is now, yeah, 160.

06:30:33.600 --> 06:30:52.900
The game is like smooth now, which is nice.

06:30:52.900 --> 06:30:55.320
Caspar with bronze is kinda clean.

06:30:55.320 --> 06:30:57.480
I think my addon's doing that, yeah.

06:30:57.480 --> 06:31:01.840
I put bronze on my addon for this and this.

06:31:01.840 --> 06:31:03.680
My add on the better blizz plates one

06:31:03.680 --> 06:31:33.160
I feel like I could sit here for literal hours configing all these things but

06:31:33.160 --> 06:31:54.920
But yeah, looks good enough I think.

06:31:54.920 --> 06:32:01.320
Sick.

06:32:01.320 --> 06:32:02.920
How many hours have you been streaming?

06:32:02.920 --> 06:32:09.060
six and a half. So people are saying my gear has changed. Let's take a look. Oh, Rotmenders

06:32:09.060 --> 06:32:18.300
leggings is now part of a set bonus. Set bonus from Rotmenders is interesting. Early game

06:32:18.300 --> 06:32:31.220
set bonus. Everything else looks the same. This is now a set bonus. Did you see the arcade

06:32:31.220 --> 06:32:37.260
missile bug fix yeah yeah I'm pretty happy about that one I'm in 190 FPS out

06:32:37.260 --> 06:32:44.060
here now I mean hey that's that's better man that's better

06:32:44.060 --> 06:33:01.740
I think if I want the classic mini-map or the new one, I swear I actually don't hate

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the new one.

06:33:02.740 --> 06:33:05.220
I just don't love it either.

06:33:05.220 --> 06:33:14.740
The new one's actually not bad.

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I like the bronze tint.

06:33:15.980 --> 06:33:25.820
I swear like the bronze tint is actually really cool.

06:33:25.820 --> 06:33:29.420
Yeah I think I like the old minimap better still, but the new one's not bad.

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I think I will stay with the old one.

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Man, it looks good.

06:33:37.420 --> 06:33:41.420
I don't like the Gnome and Human nerf. Yeah, we'll see.

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Why are we degrading from Silver to Bronze? Yeah, yeah, it's actually kind of funny.

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Classic frames. Gives the classic frames, unit frames, borders, classic Casperd's borders of the bronze tint.

06:34:07.420 --> 06:34:16.420
There's also Dark Mode, which makes it all, I mean, honestly, Dark Mode looks nice too.

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Which, the Dark Mode doesn't apply to the minimap. Man, Dark Mode actually looks really nice.

06:34:21.420 --> 06:34:24.080
On the on the action bars that looks nice

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Hmm

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You've been syndicate nerf is just an animation change. Oh, yeah true. What was he talking about then the the Eureka nerf is pretty big

06:35:21.420 --> 06:35:23.420
Oh

06:35:26.180 --> 06:35:32.600
Man the game feels so much smoother now, it's crazy LFG looks so much better now. Let's take a look

06:35:36.220 --> 06:35:39.700
Did they there's so much new oh wow

06:35:43.580 --> 06:35:45.580
Little facelift

06:35:46.580 --> 06:35:48.980
Go to a bg wait bgs are in

06:35:48.980 --> 06:35:52.420
Are P.G's in? Are you guys baiting me?

06:35:55.620 --> 06:36:00.700
They're not, okay. New character win. I was gonna do one today, but I might have to wait till tomorrow now

06:36:00.700 --> 06:36:02.700
Now that we have all this new stuff. Sorry guys

06:36:18.980 --> 06:36:45.980
Okay, oh man, I'm going to spend so many hours reading these settings later.

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.

06:37:13.980 --> 06:37:15.980
Low level set bonus. That's kind of cool.

06:37:15.980 --> 06:37:18.980
That's like a cast or version of the Dead Mind set or the

06:37:18.980 --> 06:37:21.980
Leather Wailing Cavern set or something. I don't mind that.

06:37:43.980 --> 06:37:58.980
cool new pvp logo when you're flagged let me try slash pvp oh that looks kind of

06:37:58.980 --> 06:38:09.240
cool I don't mind that oh my gosh guys I'm nerding out I feel like this patch is

06:38:09.240 --> 06:38:16.140
like made the game playable did they fix the UI for you I still don't like it but

06:38:16.140 --> 06:38:22.800
maybe I'll stop whining about it because I'm gonna use an add-on anyway so it

06:38:22.800 --> 06:38:28.080
is what it is like I'm literally just gonna like the add-on you see right now

06:38:28.080 --> 06:38:32.880
is probably how I'll play like I have an add-on for the frame to make them look

06:38:32.880 --> 06:38:41.440
like the OG and then I have a mini map it is what it is like I don't know you got

06:38:41.440 --> 06:38:45.920
your missiles back I mean that was literally just a bug fix

06:38:50.240 --> 06:38:54.440
but I guess sure

06:39:02.880 --> 06:39:04.880
I

06:39:20.320 --> 06:39:22.160
Check wanting a

06:39:22.160 --> 06:39:24.080
Wanting still as fast

06:39:24.080 --> 06:39:26.080
Fonding is still bug 100%

06:39:26.720 --> 06:39:28.800
I mean my wand is 1.7. But look at this

06:39:30.760 --> 06:39:32.760
There's no way

06:39:32.880 --> 06:39:40.360
It's 100% bugged.

06:39:40.360 --> 06:39:44.100
I mean, it's instant.

06:39:44.100 --> 06:39:53.880
They said next week, oh, okay, okay.

06:39:53.880 --> 06:39:54.880
Setting issue is not fixed.

06:39:54.880 --> 06:40:00.920
It's fixed for me.

06:40:00.920 --> 06:40:05.560
should be able to do that, but wandering classes should not, dude.

06:40:05.560 --> 06:40:09.560
Alright.

06:40:09.560 --> 06:40:10.560
Go jump in water?

06:40:10.560 --> 06:40:11.560
Yeah, I will, I'm sick.

06:40:11.560 --> 06:40:16.920
Man, the game is instantly a hundred times more enjoyable and playable.

06:40:16.920 --> 06:40:19.920
Man, I'm such a cry baby.

06:40:19.920 --> 06:40:26.920
I swear it's like so nice.

06:40:26.920 --> 06:40:38.660
We know I'm just saying like I feel like instantly now that I can have like my one add-on I use like two add-ons like

06:40:38.660 --> 06:40:41.660
It's like, oh, nice, I can actually play now.

06:40:56.660 --> 06:40:59.660
Ah, I can move my map to the middle.

06:41:08.660 --> 06:41:33.980
Ah, nice.

06:41:33.980 --> 06:41:35.820
Yo, when I hands the map, what?

06:41:52.900 --> 06:41:53.740
Old water sound?

06:41:53.740 --> 06:41:55.460
Yeah, old water sound is back.

06:41:55.460 --> 06:41:57.260
Yep, they fixed the water sound.

06:41:58.540 --> 06:41:59.780
It's actually just so much better.

06:41:59.780 --> 06:42:00.960
Yeah, so nice.

06:42:00.960 --> 06:42:06.920
How is he not registered the old death sound is back for humans true. Oh guys

06:42:06.920 --> 06:42:10.600
I'm literally in love right now. I'm gonna play the game now. I'm gonna complete in an utter shock

06:42:14.880 --> 06:42:19.500
Dueling for gold win we can hit some duals. Yeah, that's fine. I

06:42:21.120 --> 06:42:23.680
Want to get that belt crafted real quick

06:42:30.960 --> 06:42:46.440
I mean there is just this one but there's that better one I might try it on.

06:42:46.440 --> 06:42:48.560
It's becoming days when you can hit the back no longer a thing.

06:42:48.560 --> 06:42:56.360
I think it is but it doesn't happen as frequently or something.

06:42:56.360 --> 06:42:58.360
I'm going to run and check to see what I need.

06:43:11.160 --> 06:43:13.880
I'm disappointed about the warrior changes.

06:43:13.880 --> 06:43:15.160
Why?

06:43:15.160 --> 06:43:17.920
Like, I think they're a step in the right direction,

06:43:17.920 --> 06:43:21.760
and then this isn't, guys, this isn't final, by the way.

06:43:21.760 --> 06:43:24.640
For anyone that's new to patch notes,

06:43:24.640 --> 06:43:26.680
They do, the way patch notes work,

06:43:26.680 --> 06:43:29.160
is that they keep introducing new patch notes.

06:43:29.160 --> 06:43:32.120
This is like one step.

06:43:32.120 --> 06:43:34.400
And then there's gonna be another one and another one.

06:43:34.400 --> 06:43:35.240
Like classic players,

06:43:35.240 --> 06:43:36.480
I don't think I used to patch notes.

06:43:36.480 --> 06:43:39.800
Like this is just part of early patch notes.

06:43:41.560 --> 06:43:43.080
You know, that's just how it kind of goes,

06:43:43.080 --> 06:43:45.960
but then it keeps going, you know?

06:43:45.960 --> 06:43:48.200
They keep doing new stuff, so.

06:43:54.640 --> 06:44:04.980
Oh, the game just feels so... you know what it is?

06:44:04.980 --> 06:44:05.980
You know what it is?

06:44:05.980 --> 06:44:10.880
I've been playing the last week with like 20 FPS and playing with... that's literally

06:44:10.880 --> 06:44:11.880
it.

06:44:11.880 --> 06:44:13.200
It's just that I'm not lagging.

06:44:13.200 --> 06:44:15.760
I'm having more fun because I'm not lagging.

06:44:15.760 --> 06:44:19.880
That's literally it.

06:44:19.880 --> 06:44:23.240
I haven't been able to like play the game in a smooth state yet, until right now.

06:44:25.800 --> 06:44:27.440
Cause I'm just like, holy crap, this is way better.

06:44:27.440 --> 06:44:29.640
And I'm trying to figure out what it is. I'm like, oh, I'm not, I'm not lying.

06:44:49.880 --> 06:45:06.160
I have an add-on for classic frames still, yeah.

06:45:06.160 --> 06:45:07.800
Are all your names bugged, guys?

06:45:07.800 --> 06:45:13.000
You still can't see names properly?

06:45:13.000 --> 06:45:17.560
I don't know why this doesn't line up.

06:45:17.560 --> 06:45:19.560
Bad names are bugged, okay.

06:45:32.760 --> 06:45:37.100
Wait a minute, why are the action bars not like...

06:45:37.100 --> 06:45:39.460
Wait, it's actually triggering my OCD right now.

06:45:39.460 --> 06:45:40.460
What the heck?

06:45:42.460 --> 06:45:45.660
Has anyone else noticed the action bars are not aligned,

06:45:45.660 --> 06:45:52.660
when you align them then there's a gap over here now?

06:45:52.660 --> 06:45:53.660
It's skewed?

06:45:53.660 --> 06:45:54.940
Oh, great.

06:45:54.940 --> 06:45:57.180
I just thought of a fix.

06:45:57.180 --> 06:45:58.660
I just thought of a fix.

06:45:58.660 --> 06:45:59.780
Check this out, guys.

06:45:59.780 --> 06:46:01.940
All you OCD years out there, watch this.

06:46:15.660 --> 06:46:39.740
Crap. Hold on. Hold on. Why can you only go down to six, bro? I wanted that one! Got it.

06:46:45.660 --> 06:46:47.660
God

06:46:51.700 --> 06:46:58.340
Do one six and the one seven but then I have to redo all my keybinds hold on let me cook a little longer

06:47:01.340 --> 06:47:03.340
Got it

06:47:12.820 --> 06:47:14.820
Huh

06:47:15.660 --> 06:47:22.660
Yeah, I play well.

06:47:22.660 --> 06:47:27.860
Fixed.

06:47:27.860 --> 06:47:31.900
I don't even know if I like that, bro.

06:47:31.900 --> 06:47:41.980
I just put it back to how it was.

06:47:41.980 --> 06:47:45.620
Something feels a little off, but I can't figure it out.

06:47:45.620 --> 06:47:48.780
Stop looking at it, now I'm looking at it man.

06:47:48.780 --> 06:47:50.060
I can't stop.

06:47:54.740 --> 06:47:55.780
It's cause you know.

06:47:55.780 --> 06:47:58.540
Yeah, I think that's literally it.

06:47:59.820 --> 06:48:00.820
I'm built different.

06:48:04.740 --> 06:48:07.580
I can see the gap, I can't see it, but I can sense it.

06:48:15.620 --> 06:48:17.620
Oh

06:48:24.220 --> 06:48:26.660
But now putting it back here feels weird, too

06:48:29.020 --> 06:48:30.300
Guys

06:48:30.300 --> 06:48:35.020
Can someone please end but that press press one in the chat if you're a UI freak like I am

06:48:35.860 --> 06:48:39.220
Press one of the chat if you're a UI freak, bro. I have spent

06:48:39.220 --> 06:48:44.740
countless hundreds of hours off-stream just sitting there with my forehead like

06:48:44.740 --> 06:48:48.060
one centimeter from the monitor just trying to make everything pixel perfect

06:48:48.060 --> 06:48:53.660
it's awful and I end up with with with with nothing it's like I end up with the

06:48:53.660 --> 06:48:56.860
same thing that I started with

06:49:09.220 --> 06:49:18.540
I found an add-on called hide action bar animations if you guys know you know if you don't know then you don't know

06:49:22.180 --> 06:49:28.380
Much shots this we found a place in Colorado making the move next weekend. Grats man. It's exciting stuff dude. Thanks for sharing

06:49:28.660 --> 06:49:33.340
How do we feel about the mage changes in C? Oh, not great moving in next weekend

06:49:33.900 --> 06:49:36.180
Loving the streams lately. Gee geez

06:49:36.580 --> 06:49:38.580
Gee geez

06:49:39.220 --> 06:49:47.700
I think I'm just gonna buy

06:49:47.700 --> 06:49:49.700
I

06:50:07.220 --> 06:50:09.580
It's not waste worth it

06:50:39.580 --> 06:50:44.340
I might might be a mistake. Oh, no, I messed up my beta account

06:50:46.140 --> 06:50:49.740
Where do you go? Oh did auto learn

06:50:57.460 --> 06:51:03.780
Where'd it go? I'm lying

06:51:09.580 --> 06:51:11.580
Oh there it goes.

06:51:27.580 --> 06:51:32.580
Did they raise cap? Nah. Run some duels down. Let me make this belt. Can I see Talons? Sure.

06:51:32.580 --> 06:51:46.500
Yeah, then PC tried to scam you. Yeah, I'm just lagging anyone else. How do you get that health

06:51:46.500 --> 06:51:54.340
and mana? I downloaded an add-on, which is what we're gonna have to do. Hype. Big Surfer

06:51:54.340 --> 06:52:01.780
lag we're going down rip well time to look at some more add-ons

06:52:11.700 --> 06:52:17.020
do do do do do do do

06:52:18.140 --> 06:52:21.500
I'm still lagging

06:52:24.340 --> 06:52:26.740
How do you feel about Paladin buffs?

06:52:26.740 --> 06:52:31.860
This might be a crazy take, but I actually think they're good Pali changes.

06:52:34.100 --> 06:52:38.260
That doesn't mean we can't have other classes feel that good too.

06:52:40.260 --> 06:52:45.220
I think other classes deserve to feel as good as Pali's do,

06:52:46.100 --> 06:52:49.940
but they're actually good Pali changes, so it's like...

06:52:51.860 --> 06:52:53.380
Yeah, I guess that's kind of how I feel.

06:52:54.340 --> 06:52:57.340
Oh nice. I think I'm not lagging anymore.

06:52:57.340 --> 06:52:59.340
Sir, lag stopped.

06:53:08.340 --> 06:53:11.340
Noo-noo-noo-noo-noo.

06:53:24.340 --> 06:53:42.700
And we're stuck on a loading screen and we're not stuck on a loading screen.

06:53:42.700 --> 06:53:45.500
Holy crap guys, I'm in love.

06:53:45.500 --> 06:53:48.340
Oh my gosh, I'm in love.

06:53:48.340 --> 06:53:56.900
I'm never going to stop playing this game.

06:53:56.900 --> 06:54:08.540
I need to level up.

06:54:08.540 --> 06:54:13.260
When I when I click tailoring, it opens the first aid tab.

06:54:13.260 --> 06:54:23.260
When I flick my tailoring profession from my action bar,

06:54:23.260 --> 06:54:28.060
it opens first aid tab.

06:54:28.060 --> 06:54:29.380
That happens with all profs?

06:54:29.380 --> 06:54:29.880
OK.

06:54:36.380 --> 06:54:39.380
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

06:54:43.260 --> 06:54:51.260
Oh my gosh guys I'm having fun now. I'm having so much fun right now. You guys don't even know how much fun I'm having.

06:54:59.260 --> 06:55:06.260
You guys don't even know how much fun I'm having. Guys I'm playing this forever.

06:55:06.260 --> 06:55:10.260
This is the best thing ever.

06:55:10.260 --> 06:55:16.260
I understand you want more buttons for mages, but if the CL experience is a one button rotation,

06:55:16.260 --> 06:55:21.260
wouldn't adding more be moving away from the slow easy experience CL players enjoy?

06:55:21.260 --> 06:55:25.260
How do they decide when combat is too much like retail?

06:55:25.260 --> 06:55:27.260
Yeah, sure. Very good question.

06:55:27.260 --> 06:55:32.260
I asked the dev that exact question. The goal is three to five button rotations.

06:55:32.260 --> 06:55:36.260
Currently, most classes in the game are three to five buttons.

06:55:36.260 --> 06:55:38.260
Mage is two buttons, so my stance is,

06:55:38.260 --> 06:55:42.260
Mage should be in line with the three to five button philosophy.

06:55:42.260 --> 06:55:44.260
Like every other class currently already is,

06:55:44.260 --> 06:55:46.260
or most classes currently already are,

06:55:46.260 --> 06:55:49.260
Rogue is on the low end as well.

06:55:49.260 --> 06:55:52.260
So, hopefully that clears that up.

06:56:02.260 --> 06:56:32.240
guys I'm having fun did they fix the archana

06:56:32.240 --> 06:56:34.240
Can you see affixes? I'll check momentarily

06:56:44.720 --> 06:56:49.960
Blizzard payroll guys I am not on Blizzard payroll although Blizzard if you want to put me on payroll for doing what I'm already doing

06:56:49.960 --> 06:56:51.960
I'll continue doing it

06:56:52.920 --> 06:56:54.360
I mean

06:56:54.360 --> 06:57:00.520
You could put me as a marketing budget and then just every money just every month to send me money. I mean I

06:57:00.520 --> 06:57:06.000
good I mean we can chat you know I'll keep doing what I'm already doing they

06:57:06.000 --> 06:57:11.140
fixed the auction house no they didn't no auction house still bugged I think they

06:57:11.140 --> 06:57:15.160
are aware of that bug though so hopefully they can fix that

06:57:15.160 --> 06:57:43.200
I'm so happy. I'm so happy with that one man's like, yep, there we go. There we go, man.

06:57:43.200 --> 06:57:48.200
were hating hard on that one saying that like I was the delusional one and then

06:57:48.200 --> 06:57:52.520
they fixed it so I don't there we go thanks

06:57:55.360 --> 06:58:02.760
what am I doing oh yeah I was gonna craft this belt we'll get some duals

06:58:02.760 --> 06:58:27.000
Sun. It's raining. I hope you farm that much gold. It's hard to explain. How is it raining

06:58:27.000 --> 06:58:31.880
inside of a tunnel? It's not, it's not. Look, when you're right here, you can see the rain

06:58:31.880 --> 06:58:37.320
outside. Oh wait it is.

06:58:37.320 --> 06:58:46.440
Is that leaking? There's a leak! There's a leak in Stormwind!

06:58:47.720 --> 06:58:54.360
Stone Masons fix it! It's raining way harder out there but it is leaking in

06:58:54.360 --> 06:59:09.720
here report bug on playable rain is going through the ceiling where I am

06:59:09.720 --> 06:59:20.800
standing at in the canals in Stormwind in Stormwind City guys I'm a beta tester

06:59:20.800 --> 06:59:22.800
I

06:59:23.260 --> 06:59:25.260
We test betas

06:59:50.800 --> 06:59:57.840
Yeah, I like beta testing it's cool

07:00:01.120 --> 07:00:03.120
It's pretty cool

07:00:11.120 --> 07:00:12.800
Getting rare should be rare now

07:00:12.800 --> 07:00:14.040
I agree with that man

07:00:14.040 --> 07:00:18.920
I'm kidding like when I normally play we play self founder semi-self found we don't do this

07:00:18.920 --> 07:00:23.080
Just craft everything. We're more just beta testing

07:00:25.760 --> 07:00:27.760
Where my belt go

07:00:28.800 --> 07:00:30.800
Oh

07:00:34.240 --> 07:00:37.480
Blizzard is forcing name changes to players with bad names

07:00:41.600 --> 07:00:47.620
We are in the process of force name changes to characters found to be in violation of our character naming policies in the beta

07:00:48.920 --> 07:00:55.520
Additionally, we have removed bait access for some users who created names that are far

07:00:55.520 --> 07:00:56.800
outside of our code of contact.

07:00:56.800 --> 07:00:59.080
I don't know, so just gotta restart.

07:00:59.080 --> 07:01:02.820
The use of dual names has allowed players new levels of creativity with your characters.

07:01:02.820 --> 07:01:07.400
Some took this opportunity to reveal too much about themselves, and will no longer be specific

07:01:07.400 --> 07:01:08.400
in the beta.

07:01:08.400 --> 07:01:10.680
I love that!

07:01:10.680 --> 07:01:13.700
I love when Blizzard has a little bit of personality.

07:01:13.700 --> 07:01:16.360
You reveal a little too much here.

07:01:16.360 --> 07:01:20.680
a seat. Oh, that's great.

07:01:46.360 --> 07:01:53.360
I don't know.

07:01:53.360 --> 07:02:02.360
It's the rain new.

07:02:02.360 --> 07:02:07.360
Yeah.

07:02:07.360 --> 07:02:26.240
your unit frame is one pixel too far unplayable I will have to fix that later

07:02:26.240 --> 07:02:28.240
you know

07:02:34.320 --> 07:02:40.840
Under city use looks awesome now. W the lmg icons changed. Yeah, it looks nice. Looks really nice

07:02:44.600 --> 07:02:46.600
I'm lagging I

07:02:50.240 --> 07:02:55.240
Think it's awesome. I closely blisters listening right now. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I agree

07:02:56.240 --> 07:03:06.800
And I'll just download an add-on guys for my poor unit frame, it's fine don't worry

07:03:06.800 --> 07:03:13.200
about me, don't worry about me, don't worry about me.

07:03:13.200 --> 07:03:15.160
Are you gonna reroll human now?

07:03:15.160 --> 07:03:18.760
I kind of just like gnomes anyway, I don't know.

07:03:18.760 --> 07:03:25.680
I wasn't in, I wasn't in playing a gnome because they were Eureka, you know like Eureka

07:03:25.680 --> 07:03:31.760
was good but gnomes are cool. I'll probably play a gnome anyway. Eureka's a lot weaker

07:03:31.760 --> 07:03:32.680
but...

07:03:34.360 --> 07:03:35.680
For a gnome we're gone!

07:03:38.400 --> 07:03:41.680
I loved that that dev just told you to get an add-on. It made my day.

07:03:42.880 --> 07:03:44.480
Yeah, haha, very funny.

07:03:46.720 --> 07:03:48.560
It's true though, I can just get an add-on.

07:03:48.560 --> 07:03:58.000
I don't know why he's been once said these are just the first patch notes.

07:03:58.000 --> 07:04:03.000
Wow, that guy sounds really smart.

07:04:03.000 --> 07:04:04.480
They did change the frame slightly.

07:04:04.480 --> 07:04:05.480
Yeah, I know.

07:04:05.480 --> 07:04:08.920
I'm actually sad that they changed the frame slightly because now that means they're not

07:04:08.920 --> 07:04:12.040
going to change them again probably because now they're like, hey, look, they're not the

07:04:12.040 --> 07:04:13.040
retail ones.

07:04:13.040 --> 07:04:14.040
They're different.

07:04:14.040 --> 07:04:17.600
So now they're probably going to keep those ones and I'm not a big fan, but that confirms

07:04:17.600 --> 07:04:24.600
said I'll just use this out on instead and that's just fine.

07:04:47.600 --> 07:04:58.800
Noems and shambles, yeah, still going to roll a gnome after the nerf, I think so, like

07:04:58.800 --> 07:05:03.280
I said, I wasn't playing a gnome because they were temporarily OP, I just kind of like

07:05:03.280 --> 07:05:06.120
playing gnome anyway.

07:05:06.120 --> 07:05:11.760
If I play on horde, I would do undead, if I play on alliance, I'll do like a gnome or

07:05:11.760 --> 07:05:16.120
a human because I think they look cool.

07:05:16.120 --> 07:05:23.600
This might surprise you guys, but for me, I love Classic WoW and it's really cool, but

07:05:23.600 --> 07:05:28.000
I do not use Classic WoW as my competitive outlet.

07:05:28.000 --> 07:05:35.680
If I want to compete, I would go play Retail, where there's raiding and tournaments.

07:05:35.680 --> 07:05:41.960
I play Classic WoW for fun because I like it, and playing for 0.1 more DPS on a different

07:05:41.960 --> 07:05:45.680
racial, I just don't care, I just play what I think looks cool.

07:05:45.680 --> 07:05:50.240
In fact, actually when I used to compete even on retail, I played the race that looked cool.

07:05:50.240 --> 07:05:54.120
I was the only mage that got ranked one as Undead.

07:05:54.120 --> 07:05:57.800
Everyone else played Orc, because Orc was better objectively, but I played Undead because

07:05:57.800 --> 07:06:00.440
it looked cool and I didn't care, so...

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I don't know.

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That's just how I like to play.

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But hey, if you want a min-max, that's cool too, which is not what I want to do in Classic

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WoW.

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Okay, I'll see if the lag is fixed.

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It's so buttery now, guys.

07:06:38.680 --> 07:06:43.880
Oh my gosh, it's buttery, boys.

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It's so buttery now.

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I can play the game and it looks good.

07:06:55.160 --> 07:07:01.080
The shadows look a little too good, like I can't see anything in the dark.

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Oh, it's so nice.

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Good for you, no one else can play.

07:07:16.320 --> 07:07:26.640
Wait, what do you mean?

07:07:26.640 --> 07:07:38.720
are not line of sight brother. You guys are just too laggy to play. I'm lagging now, not

07:07:38.720 --> 07:07:49.440
the duals over and I can't play again

07:07:55.920 --> 07:08:00.640
now today was supposed to be the day where I make an alt so tomorrow will

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definitely make an alt guys

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Well actually yesterday was supposed to be the day where I made it all but it is what it is.

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I like elves.

07:08:14.760 --> 07:08:16.760
I actually like elves too, they're cool.

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Still lagging, still lagging.

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Playing a no mage instead of a skyborne because of the OP rations.

07:08:56.360 --> 07:09:01.520
I was actually maybe going to play a skyborne, but the deal breaker for me was there's no

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SD character model.

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And if they added an SD character model, I actually would maybe play it, but the rations

07:09:08.680 --> 07:09:11.680
here I do really suck.

07:09:11.680 --> 07:09:14.080
Like the way I do it is this.

07:09:14.080 --> 07:09:19.360
I play what looks cool to an extent, if what looks the coolest is just awful then I probably

07:09:19.360 --> 07:09:24.280
still wouldn't play it, but if I like how it looks and it's at least decent enough by

07:09:24.280 --> 07:09:26.880
my own definition of decent enough then I'll play it.

07:09:26.880 --> 07:09:30.640
So like Noam is still way more than decent enough to want to play because I think it

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looks cool.

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I'm lagging guys, I'm standing in place.

07:10:01.640 --> 07:10:17.680
Mind blown, people think SD looks good, just the character models is not the world or anything

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like that.

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I think it's like a semantic thing for a lot of people.

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Please ask them to add Night Elf Mage, it could be cool.

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Okay, we're not lagging for a second here.

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This is a priest, that sounds pretty miserable, sorry bro.

07:10:45.560 --> 07:10:52.560
We need Mage Healer like Zod, I don't like Mage Healer.

07:10:52.560 --> 07:11:16.480
What level do you get shatter?

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You can get it here, which would be, I guess, starting at 30.

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Looks even darker than before.

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Yeah, I did tweak some of my settings that...

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Shadow quality is on Ultra.

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There's Ultra High, Ultra High.

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Good.

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I don't know if there's something else to make the dark shadows not as dark.

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I mean they look amazing but it's not kind of hard to see yourself sometimes.

07:12:34.000 --> 07:12:41.000
Turn Shadow to Lower Fair to see how it looks.

07:12:41.000 --> 07:12:51.000
Oh yeah, if you put Shadow Quality to Low, it makes it so you can see a lot easier.

07:12:51.000 --> 07:12:56.300
If you put it on Ultra High, it's a lot harder to see, but it looks really beautiful.

07:12:56.300 --> 07:13:02.000
I actually might play on Good, or even Fair to be honest.

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I'm not even playin' like fair.

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I mean, it looks amazing though.

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Dude, you have a 50-90, just max it out.

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I just mean in terms of visual preference, not in terms of like FPS, like being able

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to see more stuff, etc.

07:13:43.800 --> 07:13:47.800
Backpedaling is good if you're a tank, but you don't really need it for any other class.

07:13:47.800 --> 07:13:52.800
So on my Paladin, I use S to backpedal, but on my Mage, I use it for Ice Barrier.

07:13:52.800 --> 07:14:00.480
Does mage look promising? I mean mages are good guys, mages are great. It's just the

07:14:00.480 --> 07:14:07.680
endgame PvE rotation is kind of like, you know, really simple. That's been my only concern.

07:14:07.680 --> 07:14:14.560
Mages look awesome, it's just the literal, when you're max level in a raid you're going

07:14:14.560 --> 07:14:26.560
to be kind of bored. Miss. That's rough.

07:14:44.560 --> 07:14:52.560
Why didn't... for all snowboard break, we just got lucky.

07:14:52.560 --> 07:15:02.400
Sometimes it breaks first time and sometimes it doesn't break, so I was kinda lucky there.

07:15:02.400 --> 07:15:03.400
Is that a human hunter?

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Yeah.

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Did they fix wand?

07:15:06.080 --> 07:15:08.360
It's actually not fixed yet.

07:15:08.360 --> 07:15:09.360
Confirmed not fixed.

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I'll show you.

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It's like insta-shoots, so that needs to be fixed still.

07:15:17.200 --> 07:15:30.680
The damage is fixed, I think, yeah, but...

07:15:30.680 --> 07:15:37.680
We're lagging again.

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Miss. I wonder if I should respect a 1% hit. I miss a lot. A lot a lot. Miss, miss, miss.

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I feel like I should.

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Even 2% hit I wonder if it's good.

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Glad you like the podcast man. Do you think they'll add buttons for Mage?

07:17:05.120 --> 07:17:09.580
I don't know man. We'll see. I feel like I've done what I can. You know, I've given my feedback.

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We'll see.

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I think uh...

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I think it would be nice to be cool, you know, a little more complexity, but we'll see.

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You notice the lighting is worse after the update?

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I have not noticed that.

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Pretty sure it's 3% to hit all players your level.

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I think it changes depending on what level you are.

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I don't know if this is something that explains hit rating.

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Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Miss. Wow. Is that normal to miss that many? What's the miss

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chance in classic wow miss it's like every other spell this duel I know it is

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pretty high in classic

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Does he have resist gear?

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I would assume not at this level.

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I might respect a hit rating.

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To be honest, I don't know.

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I feel like I just miss every time.

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4% without any hit.

07:19:15.840 --> 07:19:17.840
4% man.

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Feels like out of all my spells I would have missed like one

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Yo G invite pica sucks. Whoa someone in the move wants a G invite

07:19:29.520 --> 07:19:31.680
Do we have room? Yeah, we've got a couple spots

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Whoa, I mean yeah, if you if you want to make the swap. Oh my gosh, you just G quits on the spot

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Wow

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Yo welcome into the guild

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Welcome in! That's crazy! This guy just drops that...

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Happy forever beta, lad.

07:19:50.140 --> 07:19:54.140
He drops the move at instant joints forever hype. Goodness!

07:19:55.140 --> 07:19:57.140
That is insane.

07:19:58.140 --> 07:20:02.640
He called me the recent level cap as 20 at day two because I was pissed out.

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Shhh.

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Wow.

07:20:13.640 --> 07:20:35.400
A couple of guild invites spots, I can invite a few people, sure.

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Flash, she invites.

07:20:47.760 --> 07:20:51.420
Dude, I'm so bad at spamming guild invites.

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Goodness gracious.

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Okay, all right, I invited a couple people,

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but anyone in the guild can invite, so.

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Don't whisper me.

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Doo doo doo doo doo doo.

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That star, thanks for the prime.

07:21:28.200 --> 07:21:29.200
Are you on a PvP realm?

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Yes.

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What are your thoughts on fire looking at the Talons?

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Eh, not a big fan.

07:21:41.760 --> 07:21:54.800
Not a big fan, not a big fan.

07:21:54.800 --> 07:21:57.920
I actually kind of want to test- has anyone tested Arcane?

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Now that I can re-spec for one silver, I kinda wanna go test it.

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Has anyone even tried it?

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It's just awful, really?

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Straight buns?

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For one silver is it worth testing?

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Probably, right?

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I'm just getting whispers, do not try arcane.

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Is that bad?

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We're all waiting for you to test it?

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I mean, I'm down to try it.

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Pretty sorry I'm running out of 25% of your analyte.

07:22:41.980 --> 07:22:44.380
Man, arcane resilience is such a dead talent.

07:22:57.080 --> 07:23:07.200
I wonder if wand spec is worth it after the wand nerf.

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How do you get default minimap?

07:23:08.200 --> 07:23:10.200
I'm using an add-on.

07:23:10.200 --> 07:23:12.360
I'm actually using a different one than I'm normally using.

07:23:12.360 --> 07:23:14.800
I'm using better blizz frames and better blizz plates.

07:23:14.800 --> 07:23:16.440
There's also classic UI forever.

07:23:16.440 --> 07:23:17.800
There's a bunch of them.

07:23:17.800 --> 07:23:25.840
I'm trying a bunch.

07:23:25.840 --> 07:23:29.920
This is the one, this is the same add-on that I use on like retail and TBC, the better

07:23:29.920 --> 07:23:35.240
Blizz add-ons, they're really good, so it has a setting for the mini-map and the unit

07:23:35.240 --> 07:23:39.640
frames and the cast bar, but there's no setting for the action bars, which doesn't really

07:23:39.640 --> 07:23:40.640
bother me.

07:24:10.640 --> 07:24:30.280
Yoriko's gonna make Arcane a lot worse, true.

07:24:30.280 --> 07:24:31.880
Back to one Silver.

07:24:31.880 --> 07:24:32.880
Woohoo!

07:24:32.880 --> 07:24:34.880
See, you can try a new spec like every hour.

07:24:41.880 --> 07:24:47.180
You should watch this video. This guy makes a lot of great points about the U.S. future.

07:24:48.680 --> 07:24:50.880
Yeah, thanks for the five. I might have to check it.

07:24:51.880 --> 07:24:54.780
25% of wand damage. You guys think it's ever worth it?

07:24:55.680 --> 07:24:56.880
Now that wands got nerfed?

07:24:57.580 --> 07:24:58.380
I'd still be good.

07:24:58.380 --> 07:25:04.200
No clear cast.

07:25:04.200 --> 07:25:06.900
At this level it's probably too low.

07:25:06.900 --> 07:25:13.220
No, it's worse now.

07:25:13.220 --> 07:25:19.500
Might just go arcane subtlety then.

07:25:19.500 --> 07:25:29.540
No, I don't think I'm gonna go clear cast at this level 3% hit is probably better

07:25:36.580 --> 07:25:41.420
Okay, let's try this oh crap is there rank 2 arcane blasts from the trainer guys

07:25:49.500 --> 07:25:51.500
No.

07:25:51.500 --> 07:25:53.500
Okay.

07:26:19.500 --> 07:26:47.020
Okay, let's try arcane on this paladin.

07:26:47.020 --> 07:27:02.740
Oh, it's so bad. Oh, it's so bad. He's laughing at me. He's legit LOL-ing at me. Oh, it's

07:27:02.740 --> 07:27:13.900
so bad. What? So it's just not tuned appropriately, though. Like, that's not an actual problem.

07:27:13.900 --> 07:27:19.260
more just like okay the numbers need to be tweaked. That's fine.

07:27:20.460 --> 07:27:24.700
Gosh, it just doesn't do it.

07:27:27.980 --> 07:27:34.180
Okay, sprint pot and a duel. You know what? It's fine. I'm not I'm not judging, bro.

07:27:34.180 --> 07:27:44.620
Land hands, you know, I'm not trying to brother you know if you want to do your land hands

07:27:44.620 --> 07:27:51.820
in a duel? That's chill. Fine by me.

07:28:02.300 --> 07:28:06.780
Honestly, it's buttery, man. Buttery is a biscuit.

07:28:07.980 --> 07:28:11.580
Actually, you know what? I'm not even going to Hurricane Blast.

07:28:14.620 --> 07:28:20.100
I'm just gonna fireball and frostbull as an arcane mage is probably better anyway

07:28:22.380 --> 07:28:26.420
wand is definitely still bugged

07:28:31.620 --> 07:28:35.940
it's actually definitely better to wand still

07:28:35.940 --> 07:28:43.760
Definitely should have gone improve one spec guys

07:28:46.960 --> 07:28:51.480
Okay, um well I have to wait an hour to respect off this awful spec guys rip

07:28:52.080 --> 07:28:54.080
rip

07:28:55.600 --> 07:28:57.600
Because it's five gold

07:28:58.800 --> 07:29:03.180
Why did they make a reset once an hour we probably should have been able to just respect all the time

07:29:05.940 --> 07:29:10.140
Just pay the five gold. This is bad

07:29:13.860 --> 07:29:19.120
What's it this guy's giving me five gold that was it that bad

07:29:21.000 --> 07:29:25.980
For the content. Oh my god, that is that bad this guy's like please respect

07:29:26.340 --> 07:29:28.700
All right, what do I respect you now?

07:29:29.740 --> 07:29:32.440
You guys want me to try a fire just for the content

07:30:05.940 --> 07:30:07.940
I

07:30:24.880 --> 07:30:27.420
Can't tell if I like the bronze tint or not

07:30:35.940 --> 07:30:50.220
like I keep going back and forth this is no bronze tint bronze tint off of the

07:30:50.220 --> 07:30:55.260
action bar mini map or action bars unit frame and mini now this is like normal

07:30:55.260 --> 07:30:58.500
while kind of just like the silver there's like silver and normal while and

07:30:58.500 --> 07:31:01.340
then bronze in this one

07:31:05.940 --> 07:31:10.540
What since era silver like this? This is like like era

07:31:12.460 --> 07:31:18.880
What did they do to Eureka Eureka is now a 10% manner reduction instead of 50

07:31:18.880 --> 07:31:42.560
50 or 15 it was 50 5 0 they nerfed it to 10 for major was 50 for priest it was 15

07:31:42.560 --> 07:31:47.560
They made it 10 across all classes

07:31:54.840 --> 07:31:57.040
Yeah, I'll pay the pay the gold

07:32:05.720 --> 07:32:10.240
It was 50 for mage what the yeah, yeah, it was 50 for mage. Yeah

07:32:12.560 --> 07:32:23.560
Okay, so if we're gonna do a low-level fire build...

07:32:23.560 --> 07:32:29.360
Oh, crap, there's no hit talents.

07:32:29.360 --> 07:32:34.840
Reese is the cool-down of Fire Blast, it's probably mandatory, and Crit.

07:32:34.840 --> 07:32:37.680
Fireball, probably tough to cast.

07:32:37.680 --> 07:32:43.280
I mean your crit is only 11% so scored ignite almost probably never does anything

07:32:44.580 --> 07:32:46.980
Range and impacts probably better in pyro

07:32:50.760 --> 07:32:52.760
This is probably the best 20 build

07:32:58.040 --> 07:33:00.040
But it's still bad

07:33:00.040 --> 07:33:18.840
It's hard to cast it ever in PvP, like I'm thinking like level 20 duels.

07:33:18.840 --> 07:33:25.720
Do I want Fireblast from 8 to 6 seconds and more crit?

07:33:25.720 --> 07:33:36.040
I COULD do this.

07:33:36.040 --> 07:33:41.840
Little less range and less creep, and now I can fireball more effectively.

07:33:41.840 --> 07:33:47.240
Yeah, that's probably better.

07:33:47.240 --> 07:34:09.240
Alright, let's try it.

07:34:09.240 --> 07:34:12.480
Alright, fire test boys, fire test.

07:34:12.480 --> 07:34:16.880
Basically I would just like sheep someone and then be like I'm gonna charge in my

07:34:16.880 --> 07:34:28.360
pyro ball okay I'm probably shoulda eureka'd into a fire and missed okay I'm

07:34:28.360 --> 07:34:31.440
I'm uh charging my fireball, okay.

07:34:41.240 --> 07:34:43.680
It's just so much worse than Frost.

07:34:44.740 --> 07:34:47.560
It's just so much worse than Frost.

07:34:47.560 --> 07:35:04.320
Scorch, you don't even have scorch at this level, bro.

07:35:04.320 --> 07:35:06.840
So a hunter wants your duel.

07:35:06.840 --> 07:35:14.400
As fire, it's like, alright, yeah, don't use anything from fire into honor.

07:35:14.400 --> 07:35:24.400
Oh, he messed up.

07:35:24.400 --> 07:35:37.880
Got a wand weave.

07:35:37.880 --> 07:35:41.880
You think they made it rain more often now just to test the rain?

07:35:41.880 --> 07:35:43.880
That's gotta be the case, right?

07:35:43.880 --> 07:35:54.400
Oh, he messed up again.

07:35:54.400 --> 07:36:00.480
This guy messed up big time, boys.

07:36:00.480 --> 07:36:09.600
Well, I'm fire still, so I don't know if it's gonna matter.

07:36:09.600 --> 07:36:16.120
well boys we go back to frost in one hour I'm not paying 10 gold and no one

07:36:16.120 --> 07:36:20.640
open trade me 10 gold that's not worth it wait an hour and it's free messed up

07:36:20.640 --> 07:36:27.400
yeah you messed up big time but playing fire so you know it's all good hey your

07:36:27.400 --> 07:36:33.680
PvP flagged an accident no we're PvP flagged on purpose hype

07:36:34.320 --> 07:36:38.460
you gonna check out Riverglades I did earlier today and then we got

07:36:38.460 --> 07:36:48.860
disconnected when we went into it maybe try arcane I tried arcane as well it's

07:36:48.860 --> 07:36:59.660
just not good oh I just realized my helmet is frost damage only I mean that

07:36:59.660 --> 07:37:04.860
shouldn't matter that much though my chest is frost damage only my belt is

07:37:04.860 --> 07:37:12.020
frost damage only. Okay I have three frost only damage items which I don't know how

07:37:12.020 --> 07:37:14.020
how copium that is, but like that's something.

07:37:26.540 --> 07:37:28.040
Pyro Blast!

07:37:42.020 --> 07:38:02.020
the

07:38:02.020 --> 07:38:04.020
weather is

07:38:04.020 --> 07:38:33.580
That's not LARPing.

07:38:33.580 --> 07:38:35.580
I was testing something. IRL.

07:38:56.240 --> 07:38:57.240
Bro, I got...

07:38:57.240 --> 07:39:00.240
One hour can't go quick enough. Oh my gosh. Due to 35pm too.

07:39:03.580 --> 07:39:14.340
We got a respect for us.

07:39:14.340 --> 07:39:17.860
You and Blizzard said they have no rating because of the rating system.

07:39:17.860 --> 07:39:20.620
Would it be fair to Adirina and just not not add a rating system?

07:39:20.620 --> 07:39:25.860
A lot of PVPers, I interact with simply want to be two and 33 tactical gameplay.

07:39:25.860 --> 07:39:32.460
What if just just just for sake of conversation, what if it was more classified and they added

07:39:32.460 --> 07:39:37.880
group duels, meaning you could go out in the world, I hope they had like somewhere to actually

07:39:37.880 --> 07:39:43.460
duel, and you could group duel, 2v2 duels, 3v3 duels, 5v5 duels, and you could do it

07:39:43.460 --> 07:39:47.140
out in the world for hours, that means people still get out in the world, they still interact

07:39:47.140 --> 07:39:53.300
and talk and it's more social, so it's still classic, but you could have that 3v3 experience.

07:39:53.300 --> 07:39:57.600
Would that, would that be fair, because like I still think instancing sitting in a city

07:39:57.600 --> 07:40:10.160
and queuing is maybe not good, but I think group duels might be a middle ground, maybe.

07:40:10.160 --> 07:40:16.000
New World had that and I had a lot of fun with those.

07:40:16.000 --> 07:40:20.560
When you click on someone's name, you can just duel them or group duel.

07:40:20.560 --> 07:40:32.240
I'm gonna charge in my pyro ball.

07:40:32.240 --> 07:40:42.240
Ignite's gonna proc.

07:40:42.240 --> 07:40:48.240
Impact, right?

07:40:48.240 --> 07:41:06.240
fireball

07:41:06.240 --> 07:41:32.240
I'm such a nerd.

07:41:32.240 --> 07:41:46.800
I actually hate dueling priest because it's not fun but I do want to duel this guy because

07:41:46.800 --> 07:41:51.320
I want to test fire into a healer just for the science.

07:41:51.320 --> 07:41:52.600
What's mage losing to you right now?

07:41:52.600 --> 07:41:58.960
I mean you'll probably lose like a good lock, a good priest, a good truid.

07:41:58.960 --> 07:42:05.740
Are you you'd even lose to a bad Druid to be honest like Druid lock priests, but that's normal like that's what that's same in classic era

07:42:05.740 --> 07:42:10.400
Like that's I'm not complaining in other words. That's just how it goes. That's just the game, which is fine

07:42:12.840 --> 07:42:15.800
Dude the sheep doesn't work on the ogre that's funny

07:42:17.440 --> 07:42:19.440
pyro blast

07:42:20.160 --> 07:42:21.840
absorb I

07:42:21.840 --> 07:42:23.840
Could have sheaped off the shield

07:42:24.880 --> 07:42:27.320
I blinked the fear at least I think that's good

07:42:27.320 --> 07:42:36.960
Fireball! Fireball! Confounding Flash!

07:42:42.040 --> 07:42:49.320
It's actually going better than I thought it would. I think fire does do damage. But

07:42:49.320 --> 07:42:52.640
that priest wand is cooking me.

07:42:57.320 --> 07:43:08.320
Andage, bandage, bandage, bandage, bandage, bandage, do you hear that jumping in water

07:43:08.320 --> 07:43:09.320
sound fix?

07:43:09.320 --> 07:43:14.800
Yes, yes dude the new water sound or it's actually the old water sound they put it back

07:43:14.800 --> 07:43:25.080
it's amazing now.

07:43:25.080 --> 07:43:27.080
I'm acharging my pyroblast.

07:43:27.080 --> 07:43:30.960
Gaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

07:43:30.960 --> 07:43:32.020
BOOM!

07:43:32.020 --> 07:43:32.720
Absorb.

07:43:47.380 --> 07:43:48.240
Beta!

07:43:51.980 --> 07:43:52.640
A hunter.

07:43:53.200 --> 07:43:53.960
Has it been an hour?

07:43:53.960 --> 07:43:56.440
Yeah, I gotta respect guys, this is awful!

07:44:00.280 --> 07:44:01.640
Who cares about water sound?

07:44:01.640 --> 07:44:03.240
They already fixed it, man, so you don't have to worry.

07:44:03.800 --> 07:44:04.360
It's all good.

07:44:09.320 --> 07:44:11.960
Do you have the research skill? Mine is gone? Mine's gone too.

07:44:11.960 --> 07:44:13.000
Yeah, it's just gone.

07:44:15.400 --> 07:44:17.960
Whoa, is it an add-on of mine that I can move the spellbook?

07:44:17.960 --> 07:44:19.400
Or can any of you guys move it?

07:44:22.040 --> 07:44:23.320
Can you move out all the frames?

07:44:23.960 --> 07:44:33.960
It's an add-on? I wonder what's doing that. It's one of my add-ons, I don't even know.

07:44:33.960 --> 07:44:43.960
Oh, letric's plus, yeah, probably.

07:44:43.960 --> 07:44:56.940
Okay, sheeps don't work on any, like, savory deviant delights.

07:44:56.940 --> 07:44:58.620
They don't work on, like, any forms.

07:44:58.620 --> 07:45:01.640
The ogre form.

07:45:01.640 --> 07:45:02.640
It just doesn't show.

07:45:02.640 --> 07:45:09.000
Which is actually, I don't even care, it's kind of funny, but it's definitely a bug.

07:45:09.000 --> 07:45:10.840
This guy just health pot.

07:45:10.840 --> 07:45:13.720
I think he did.

07:45:13.720 --> 07:45:21.240
Are we inchy trinketed?

07:45:21.240 --> 07:45:22.240
Minor recon bob?

07:45:22.240 --> 07:45:25.240
I'm gonna be a little greedy here.

07:45:25.240 --> 07:45:27.440
I'm gonna be a little greedy.

07:45:27.440 --> 07:45:29.720
Oh, I gotta make more bandages.

07:45:29.720 --> 07:45:34.720
Alright, I'm gonna be greedy on my pyro fast.

07:45:34.720 --> 07:45:36.920
Okay, this is dumb.

07:45:36.920 --> 07:45:39.880
It's not going off.

07:45:39.880 --> 07:45:48.680
It's hard to explain guys, it's it's hard to explain.

07:45:48.680 --> 07:46:02.480
Dude the game is so smooth now, oh my gosh, I'm having fun.

07:46:02.480 --> 07:46:04.480
I misfrost

07:46:09.520 --> 07:46:13.440
He potted wow, how are you gonna be from there, brother?

07:46:15.920 --> 07:46:17.920
What the heck

07:46:19.360 --> 07:46:21.360
Miss

07:46:21.760 --> 07:46:27.360
What's up crazy melee range is that like a hunter thing?

07:46:32.480 --> 07:46:39.400
only like extra range or something report the sheep bug okay fine sheep it's

07:46:39.400 --> 07:46:46.760
actually kind of funny sheep is not working on savory beefy at the light or

07:46:46.760 --> 07:46:50.320
ogre fish either

07:46:51.320 --> 07:46:57.640
well like the sheep animation or like the sheep like the sheep works but it

07:46:57.640 --> 07:47:00.960
It doesn't show that the sheep doesn't turn them into a sheep.

07:47:00.960 --> 07:47:16.880
Sheep is not turning the enemy into a sheep visually if they are using the savory deviate

07:47:16.880 --> 07:47:21.240
to light or the ogrefish.

07:47:21.240 --> 07:47:23.200
It's called polymorph.

07:47:23.200 --> 07:47:25.200
Technically, you're right

07:47:39.560 --> 07:47:45.120
Crazy your face is on the launcher bro. I saw that I didn't even know we were gonna get added to the launcher and then it's

07:47:45.480 --> 07:47:49.220
Then we're there. It's it's actually pretty surreal pretty nuts pretty crazy

07:48:23.200 --> 07:48:43.680
I need to make bandages, bro.

07:48:43.680 --> 07:48:46.160
Will you please tell us the story of your first rank 1 title?

07:48:46.160 --> 07:48:48.320
Ah, that's a good one.

07:48:48.320 --> 07:48:49.320
That's a good one.

07:48:49.320 --> 07:48:52.680
Dude, I actually need to level up my first aid before I can even use those.

07:48:52.680 --> 07:49:14.680
Oh, I wonder if they fixed the leeway bug.

07:49:14.680 --> 07:49:41.240
I killed that poor rabbit, man.

07:49:41.240 --> 07:49:55.540
I'm out of bandages.

07:49:55.540 --> 07:49:59.060
Is this item level thing in forever?

07:49:59.060 --> 07:50:01.900
I mean, yeah, I think so in the auction house it works.

07:50:01.900 --> 07:50:05.620
I don't know if it shows on the tooltip or like anywhere else, but people will probably

07:50:05.620 --> 07:50:06.620
download items.

07:50:06.620 --> 07:50:07.620
Add-ons anyway.

07:50:07.620 --> 07:50:12.500
I don't know if there's anything like built-in that I can see though, which is kind of cool

07:50:15.900 --> 07:50:17.900
Not the poor rabbit

07:50:37.620 --> 07:50:41.500
D'ah, do you have any laughing chips for new players?

07:50:41.500 --> 07:50:45.140
My bus is coming in 30 minutes.

07:50:45.140 --> 07:50:47.140
I don't know what you're talking about.

07:51:07.620 --> 07:51:19.220
Dude, it's hard to win a duel as fire. I gotta work bro. I gotta work

07:51:22.020 --> 07:51:24.020
I need to get that first aid

07:51:29.900 --> 07:51:31.900
Peeling in the rain is cozy. It's nice

07:51:37.620 --> 07:51:50.260
You have World Bandishes? Yeah, I'm not high enough level to use them. My boy.

07:51:50.260 --> 07:51:59.140
Debuff for Fire Mage with Rain? Uh, yeah, true. Either that or Fire needs some tuning.

07:51:59.140 --> 07:52:03.100
Break the Experience 1 to 10? Now that I'm not lagging, I'm actually having like infinitely

07:52:03.100 --> 07:52:05.100
More fun

07:52:05.100 --> 07:52:07.100
Oh

07:52:07.100 --> 07:52:36.100
and

07:52:36.100 --> 07:52:45.100
the

07:52:45.100 --> 07:52:59.100
war your part of yeah I mean you can use escape artist if you want because it's it's a good ability there you go

07:52:59.100 --> 07:53:04.460
Thoughts on taking Ice Shards?

07:53:04.460 --> 07:53:07.460
Crit is too low to take Ice Shards.

07:53:07.460 --> 07:53:12.300
Might add this level.

07:53:12.300 --> 07:53:14.900
I actually think the best build might be hit rating.

07:53:14.900 --> 07:53:18.300
I don't know, do we have any super nerds in the chat?

07:53:18.300 --> 07:53:24.260
How much hit do you need at level 20 in PvP?

07:53:24.260 --> 07:53:29.060
I think you need 4% or maybe 3%.

07:53:29.060 --> 07:53:31.060
It's 3, right? Yeah, it's 3.

07:53:34.060 --> 07:53:36.060
I think it's 3.

07:53:37.060 --> 07:53:38.060
Ugh.

07:53:40.060 --> 07:53:42.060
Because I'm just missing every ability.

07:53:42.060 --> 07:53:45.060
I think I might actually just not go permafrost.

07:53:46.060 --> 07:53:48.060
Go improve frostbolt.

07:53:49.060 --> 07:53:53.060
I mean, elemental precision getting nerfed actually sucks.

07:53:53.060 --> 07:53:55.060
No one's really been talking about that.

07:53:55.060 --> 07:54:02.060
I can't respect yet. Yeah, let me just get first aid stuff up for now then.

07:54:25.060 --> 07:54:32.060
GoonTV, thanks for the prop.

07:54:32.060 --> 07:54:50.060
I literally talked to the friend about it that you have to spec 5 skill points to get

07:54:50.060 --> 07:54:53.780
5%, whereas before it was 3 points to get 6%, it's a huge nerf.

07:54:53.780 --> 07:54:58.260
Yeah, I haven't really heard too many people talk about that, but I actually 100% agree.

07:54:58.820 --> 07:55:00.820
I mean, I guess it's pretty...

07:55:00.820 --> 07:55:07.060
It's not like a crazy take, it's just worse, so it's nothing to agree or disagree with, I suppose, but yeah, totally.

07:55:23.780 --> 07:55:38.660
Yeah, have a mining bag.

07:55:38.660 --> 07:55:42.020
There's not a bag that holds like cloth or anything, right?

07:55:42.020 --> 07:55:49.020
Maybe there is.

07:55:49.020 --> 07:56:03.420
That's a reagent bag? Oh, okay. Where do I find that? Just general reagent? That sounds

07:56:03.420 --> 07:56:18.340
nice. You can make it or tailor. Okay. Buy it or tailor. My tailoring might have to be

07:56:18.340 --> 07:56:22.820
higher. I'm only 117. Or maybe I haven't learned it yet.

07:56:31.860 --> 07:56:35.380
It's from the Taylor vendor. It's a recipe. Oh, I'll go check that out in a sec.

07:56:45.860 --> 07:56:46.900
Hopefully I bought enough.

07:56:48.340 --> 07:56:55.340
Ah crap, I don't think I did.

07:57:18.340 --> 07:57:22.340
Maybe I did. Oh crap.

07:57:22.340 --> 07:57:26.340
Wait, I'm actually not used to this.

07:57:26.340 --> 07:57:30.340
Low chance of gaining skill, guaranteed chance. Oh man, I'm an idiot.

07:57:30.340 --> 07:57:34.340
I was like waiting till it went red, or green rather.

07:57:34.340 --> 07:57:38.340
I was like waiting till it went red, or green rather.

07:57:38.340 --> 07:57:42.340
I was like waiting till it went red, or green rather.

07:57:42.340 --> 07:57:46.340
Have I made an ult yet? No.

07:57:46.340 --> 07:57:49.760
made an alt yet not today was supposed to be alt day but then we got disconnected for

07:57:49.760 --> 07:57:55.460
like three hours so now I logged in to test all the new stuff and now it's 5 p.m. so

07:57:55.460 --> 07:58:06.140
key cheese.

07:58:06.140 --> 07:58:10.340
You know how you how you say using health pots and duals is bad dual etiquette is that

07:58:10.340 --> 07:58:16.320
true for PvP too like out in the world bro if you're doing world PvP anything goes you're

07:58:16.320 --> 07:58:21.040
you're doing world pvp there's no rules there but if you're doing duals yeah

07:58:21.040 --> 07:58:23.960
usually you're not supposed to really consume because it's like what a waste

07:58:23.960 --> 07:58:33.160
of gold you're just dueling a friend whatever but oh legend thanks

07:58:36.000 --> 07:58:39.760
have I tried the new cool on manager a little bit now someone else with more

07:58:39.760 --> 07:58:41.760
Thank you for letting me go out. Thanks guys.

07:58:47.760 --> 07:58:53.760
Never takes handouts guys. I take handouts on some characters. Like this character is a testing character on the beta.

07:58:53.760 --> 07:58:57.760
So I will take handouts on this guy, but usually not, okay.

07:59:01.760 --> 07:59:06.760
What bag manager? I'm using baginator. It's totally not necessary anymore.

07:59:06.760 --> 07:59:13.880
The only reason I'm using it is because you can move the bags without this they like they're like stuck here and it's so annoying.

07:59:15.400 --> 07:59:19.000
I also like this one because you can check your bank anywhere in the world, which is kind of cool.

07:59:19.240 --> 07:59:25.000
So I actually probably will use this add-on. I'll probably use like three add-ons or four add-ons.

07:59:26.920 --> 07:59:32.040
Bagonator, I'll probably use better blizz plates for the mini map and the frames.

07:59:32.040 --> 07:59:35.700
or better blues frames and better blues plates, and it'll probably use like

07:59:35.700 --> 07:59:40.280
letrix maps and letrix plus like basically just things to either make the

07:59:40.280 --> 07:59:44.540
game look like classic WoW or some small-quality life change stuff. Those are

07:59:44.540 --> 07:59:50.440
probably like all the things I'll use. I need to go buy more heavy linen.

07:59:50.440 --> 07:59:55.920
Why do you use an add-on for a map? Letrix maps is completely not necessary, but

07:59:55.920 --> 08:00:00.080
once again you can move the map from like here to the center of the screen.

08:00:00.080 --> 08:00:04.560
That's like the biggest reason I use it, but it's not mandatory at all anymore.

08:00:06.160 --> 08:00:11.200
There's also a few other reasons like it'll show you like at Menethil, it'll show you like where

08:00:11.200 --> 08:00:15.440
the boats actually go. Very small, like like totally not necessary stuff.

08:00:23.600 --> 08:00:29.360
I'm done with add-ons. Yeah, I mean I think in Classic WoW I use like 20. I think in Forever I'm

08:00:29.360 --> 08:00:34.900
I'm gonna use like five and all of them are just very minimal things like

08:00:36.180 --> 08:00:38.920
Move my move my bags like stuff like that

08:00:41.120 --> 08:00:45.660
I need litrix maps for the boats. Yeah, I'm here. I feel that yo mirror. How do you feel about rogue?

08:00:45.660 --> 08:00:48.320
I was actually gonna maybe call you earlier

08:00:48.680 --> 08:00:54.240
But I didn't cuz other I was doing other stuff for a little bit and anyway, how do you feel about rogues? I

08:00:55.880 --> 08:00:57.880
Like it a lot. I was talking to the other mirror

08:00:59.360 --> 08:01:23.880
I saw the changes and Rogue is the only untouched class, yeah looks like they're still working

08:01:23.880 --> 08:01:26.320
on things, huh?

08:01:26.320 --> 08:01:27.320
Wandspeck's still good.

08:01:27.320 --> 08:01:31.200
Now it's so good because they haven't fixed the wand instant shoot bug yet, but it'll get

08:01:31.200 --> 08:01:36.680
worse as they fix that.

08:01:36.680 --> 08:01:40.520
Which is a bit of a bummer considering Rogue is the most untouched class altogether.

08:01:40.520 --> 08:01:45.320
I think I would argue and say Mage is the most untouched class altogether after reading

08:01:45.320 --> 08:01:50.560
the Rogue talentry, but I think Rogue is the second most unchanged class, so I'll at least

08:01:50.560 --> 08:01:55.560
give you that.

08:01:55.560 --> 08:02:00.440
I think warrior might be like second or third because there was literal like three things to mage

08:02:00.440 --> 08:02:05.040
I don't know warrior forever talent. Sure. Let's see

08:02:09.040 --> 08:02:15.120
Warrior got spearing strike changes to weapon master, which is kind of whatever

08:02:19.480 --> 08:02:21.480
Precision move down

08:02:25.560 --> 08:02:32.560
Um, Vanguard is new.

08:02:32.560 --> 08:02:36.560
Actually here, let's just do this.

08:02:36.560 --> 08:02:42.040
Compared to Classic, what's new?

08:02:42.040 --> 08:02:46.440
Raging blows is new, Boundless Rage is new, Spearing Strike, Bloodthrill, Weapon Master,

08:02:46.440 --> 08:02:49.520
but that barely counts.

08:02:49.520 --> 08:02:52.120
Bastion and Master of Defense.

08:02:52.120 --> 08:03:00.680
Rogue got 1,000 cuts, cutthroat, distract, dirty tricks, hack and slash, flawless execution,

08:03:00.680 --> 08:03:05.880
and mutilate. I'm not arguing they got more, like a lot, they didn't. Rogue and warrior and mage,

08:03:05.880 --> 08:03:10.120
I think are the three least changed for a reason because they probably needed it the least to be

08:03:10.120 --> 08:03:22.760
fair but I think mage is even less. Mage arcane tree got arcane geometry, arcane blast, missile

08:03:22.760 --> 08:03:31.640
barrage. Fire got literal hot streak and frost got Iceland's fingers. I think that's less than

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rogue and warrior. Not that it matters, but Hunters got so much. Hunters looking mighty fine.

08:03:44.840 --> 08:03:46.600
But anyway, yeah, I feel that.

08:03:52.600 --> 08:03:54.360
So Human is now best for Mage.

08:03:54.360 --> 08:04:05.360
For PvP it might still be Gnome on Alliance and Undead for Horde funny enough. Hard to

08:04:05.360 --> 08:04:13.760
say though. How does R have a bar and a half and a 21? Because I turned a quest in on Ding.

08:04:13.760 --> 08:04:20.760
and sun breaks useless for mage exactly since you have blink.

08:04:43.760 --> 08:04:46.560
Can you play a non-pet hunter? Yeah, it looks sick. It's in Marx.

08:04:47.840 --> 08:04:50.160
Server's still down. Yeah, they're really laggy.

08:05:00.480 --> 08:05:05.120
How do you turn on map vendors? You just click the tracking button and then click like

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auctioneer, banker, battle master. I just do innkeeper,

08:05:08.720 --> 08:05:12.480
mailbox, and flight masters usually. Repair is nice too, to be honest.

08:05:13.760 --> 08:05:21.500
What did they change with the update earlier?

08:05:21.500 --> 08:05:26.720
There's a full list on WoWhead, there's a ton of stuff honestly.

08:05:26.720 --> 08:05:28.800
Are you worried about Power Creep with Nuke here being added?

08:05:28.800 --> 08:05:33.640
Yeah, a little bit.

08:05:33.640 --> 08:05:36.880
I don't know if Rogues needs anything necessarily, but it would be nice to see something new

08:05:36.880 --> 08:05:39.120
because right now Rogues looks very much like Vanilla Rogue.

08:05:39.120 --> 08:05:41.360
I'd like to see Shadowstep or Cloak.

08:05:41.360 --> 08:05:43.760
Those are both two OP for sure.

08:05:43.760 --> 08:05:46.520
I talked about this a lot, but I thought we'll get one of those.

08:05:46.520 --> 08:05:50.320
I'd settle for something like Shadow Strike or like Shiv.

08:05:50.320 --> 08:05:52.040
So Shadow Step is two OP, Mere.

08:05:52.040 --> 08:05:59.320
The reason being, if you give Rogues mobility and no other class, then you'd probably want

08:05:59.320 --> 08:06:05.480
to give Warriors like in combat charge so they can have two charges in combat, or you'd

08:06:05.480 --> 08:06:11.080
want to give like elemental shamans like their leap and then mage their displacement, and

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And then it just becomes like mobility creep and it's bad.

08:06:13.880 --> 08:06:20.400
So like I don't like Shadow Step for Rogue because PvP work like, here's my argument.

08:06:20.400 --> 08:06:25.440
PvP works well in Classic currently.

08:06:25.440 --> 08:06:30.880
Rogues are really good and they don't have Shadow Step currently in Era.

08:06:30.880 --> 08:06:35.640
So you can't just like give them Shadow Step to give them something new because then they

08:06:35.640 --> 08:06:39.240
just become busted and then you have to bring up everything else to that level in the game

08:06:39.240 --> 08:06:44.600
just has mobility creep and it sucks. So I feel very similarly with cloak.

08:06:45.320 --> 08:06:51.000
Cloak might be a little better, but very similarly. I do think rogues though could use some love

08:06:51.000 --> 08:06:56.600
somewhere. I think the biggest place rogues could use love, like sub I think works fine

08:06:57.240 --> 08:07:04.200
in theory if it's balanced properly, but I think combat and mutile are both really one-dimensional.

08:07:04.200 --> 08:07:09.880
like they're they both really just like mutilates just gonna like spam mutilate and finishers and

08:07:09.880 --> 08:07:15.640
combat's just gonna like spam sinister strike and finishers whereas at least sub can spam backstab

08:07:15.640 --> 08:07:21.640
and then hemo and then a finisher or two and then ambush proc so at least sub has like something

08:07:21.640 --> 08:07:26.760
whereas the other two specs are very one-dimensional so i think a little bit of love to combat or

08:07:26.760 --> 08:07:32.200
asa makes sense and sub kind of works yes exactly yeah yeah

08:07:34.200 --> 08:07:39.780
That's without playing a rogue, that's just from reading all the talents and stuff and

08:07:39.780 --> 08:07:42.200
using some critical thinking.

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You basically described everything one-to-one the way I see it.

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Yeah, yeah.

08:07:45.920 --> 08:07:46.920
Cool, cool.

08:07:46.920 --> 08:07:53.960
Yo, Mere, what do you think about No Arenas in Forever?

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Because I know you're a big arena guy and you're like the arena rogue.

08:07:59.000 --> 08:08:02.960
I'm sure it's probably pretty heartbreaking for someone like you, but I'm curious how

08:08:02.960 --> 08:08:06.360
you how you feel is it I mean it probably just sucks or do you kind of get it but

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it's like that's not that's not part of this game kind of a thing they didn't

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say no arenas ever but they said like not for now all right so why would there

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be arena a lot of players want it right

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you can't do arenas with CDs at 20 second and no DR yeah I actually agree

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with that. That's a high IQ take.

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Arena's open once a week would be cool. What if it's like Saturday and you can't

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play on weekends or something? I don't know.

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How are you? I'm doing well. How are you?

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Man, I'm like itching to play because we didn't play all day but it's like

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It's 5 p.m. now guys, so that's how that goes I

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Honestly believe rated battlegrounds makes so much more sense in classic than arena

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Yeah, I actually agree with that take if they did a rating system RBG's kind of do make sense because

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You don't have to change DRs. You don't have to change CC durations and

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battlegrounds already exists and are you know, you could use it to farm

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Honor anyway, but I'm still a little worried it would get too like sweaty and competitive, but I actually do kind of agree that with that

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What's my FPS like man my throat still 65 FPS right now

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Which should be honest is I kind of on the low end which makes me like leads me to believe

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if there's still optimizations to be had.

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I'm at 40s five right now.

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Keep in mind, there's a lot of people.

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Oh, everyone, no, man, the server's crashed.

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Rip.

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But out in the world, I'm closer to like 150 now

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after the changes, which is nice.

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I'm at 165 on 10 out of 10.

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Wait, in Stormwind?

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We're out of the city.

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Cause I'm at like 160, 170 while streaming out of the city, but not in town.

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You're at 165 in town.

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What are your settings?

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Wait, you're 10 out of 10?

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That's weird.

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Like I do not get that much.

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You're 150 FPS in Stormwind right now.

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How?

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Like normally once again, I played with like 800 FPS, but...

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Are you on 1080p instead of 1440 maybe

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You're at 1440

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I don't know if you're at 1440 at 150 FPS with 10 out of 10 in Stormwind

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I don't know

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I'm not getting that my PC is pretty much as good as you can get it. So I have no idea. I'm streaming too, but still

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What the heck

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What is that oh

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It's like my quests oh

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And every

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I'm getting 60 FPS with a 5090. Yeah, I'm getting about 80 FPS or 70 FPS. 60 if I go

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to more people, it's even lower. Like I said, my computer is pretty much piss.

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Has anyone found a way to move this FPS indicator from here to like where it belongs in the

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center. I did it with a script, Titan panel. It's not in edit mode. Anyway, I don't know,

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there might be a graphic setting that we'll figure out later. I could maybe move some of

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stuff to high instead of ultra like that shouldn't be the issue like it really shouldn't

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maybe there'll be more optimizations

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Okay, well guys, chi-chis, tomorrow the first thing I'm gonna do when I log in is a respec

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back to Frost, so I will log out over by the Frost Trainer so that we remember to do that,

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Because this fact sucks.

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Tomorrow

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Is the day for an ult. I actually do want to do some world pvp.

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I still haven't really done any world pvp besides that first day when we did the battle for ash unveil

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But I just in 20 and like we just kind of got thrown into it

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I had no gear and like the layers were all messed up and there's kind of troll besides that

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I haven't really done any so I kind of want to maybe I'll do a little world pvp tomorrow

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Maybe I'll do a little like south shore

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versus Terran Mill, mess arounds. I don't want to do like a massive scale thing but

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like it would be fun if we could do like 20 versus 20 or 40 of you 40 or something. Who

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knows what time maybe tomorrow morning just kind of mess around to that like do some

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reacts do some world PvP than hit an alt. That sounds fun. So like over here guys I'm at

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140 FPS in Stormwind. So for that guy, were you in the trade district with all the people?

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Or were you at 150 FPS like over here? Because that's different. What alt? I'm going to make

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a human Pali I think or a skyborne warrior just to test. I was in Thunderbluff. Oh, yeah,

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Maybe I don't know because like even in the mage tower and stuff FPS is like much higher than it is out in the city

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Okay, I am going to log out here, so I remember all right guys

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Dang it. I had a blast today man. I had even more fun with all these changes

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I can't wait to play tomorrow if you guys enjoyed hit the follow button like I said world PVP will respect frost

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We'll hit some world PVP. We'll hit some

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We'll hit some alt leveling warrior or paladin.

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And then I'll probably do another all,

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probably do a priest or a rogue too.

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The better Blizz Frames author said

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there's a setting under Misk, under Other Stuff,

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And it says, moveable FPS counter.

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How do you move it?

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Oh, damage meter is blocking it.

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Alright, shameless plug.

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Better blizz frames add on, guys.

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It's kind of, it's, it obviously gives you the, you know, the default frames or whatever.

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There's a lot of settings.

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You can tweak them how you want.

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But another thing about this add-on that I really like is there's a billion other settings

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just like like letrix plus like hiding stuff or action bar, cast animations, like there's

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a billion other settings in the add-on that I actually haven't gone through all of them

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yet, which I will, but I use this on retail when I play to retail to like basically remove,

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to add it's an add-on to remove things right hide hide hide hide hide hide hide

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hide like move and remove doesn't like add much which is awesome that's that

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when I had my add-on back in the day that's what I did hide hide hide hide

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hide it's an add-on that just make the screen less cluttered anyway great

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add-on see you guys tomorrow follow the stream if you enjoyed thanks for

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watching, radio. Peace.